Part 7 of 15
The next witness is Scott Mayer.
SCOTT MAYER, a witness herein, having first been duly sworn by a Clerk for the City of Clearwater, was examined and testified as follows:
MR. LeCHER: Scott Mayer is it?
MR. MAYER: Yes, sir.
MR. LeCHER: Mr. Mayer, are you appearing here today to testify under oath voluntarily?
MR. MAYER: Yes, I am.
MR. LeCHER: Have you been paid by anyone for your testimony, other than expenses for coming to Clearwater?
MR. MAYER: Not at all.
MR. LeCHER: Do you have a lawsuit against the Church of Scientology?
MR. MAYER: No.
MR. LeCHER: Does the Church of Scientology have a lawsuit against you?
MR. MAYER: Yes.
MR. LeCHER: Has anyone suggested to you that you that you should state anything but the truth or has anyone suggested that you change your testimony for any reason?
MR. MAYER: Not at all.
MR. LeCHER: Would you like to make a statement?
MR. MAYER: Yes, I would.
I find it a little bit difficult to distill twelve years of experience with the Church, and I was a senior executive with the Church for approximately seven of those years. So, to distill all of that information into a small period of time is kind of difficult.
So, I prepared an outline of things that I would like to touch on and — in kind of a rapid sequence — and after that's through, I'm willing to answer questions about any of these areas I touch on, if that's agreeable to you.
MR. LeCHER: Yes, sir.
Why don't you just follow your outline and we can ask you questions when you complete your outline.
MR. MAYER: All right.
I, basically, just wanted to let you know what I was doing. I worked on an on-call basis as a legal assistant and an administrative assistant for the City of Santa Monica in the City Attorney's Office and the Environmental Services area, and I worked for — also, as a consultant to the Internal Revenue Service in the U.S. tax case that's been going on for some time now. And I worked with the senior counselor for the IRS during that tax case as consultant.
The tax case I'm referring to is the time period 1968 through '71 in the U.S. Tax Court, Judge Sterrit presiding. It's the Church of Scientology against the Internal Revenue Service.
In terms of getting into the Sea Organization, I entered the Sea Organization as a result of having a ship's master training program being offered to me. At one time, during the Viet Nam War, I was on a navigation team flagship in the Seventh Fleet and used to run aircraft carriers in and out of various harbors around the world, so I had quite a bit of ship experience when I was first exposed to Scientology. And I was offered a training program that would get me a master's certificate, and I went in on that basis, that and an educational program.
What I want to do real quickly here is just give you some sort of a background on what I did because I went all over the world for the Church for a long time, and, basically, on a trouble-shooting basis. And the main point that I think I really want to stress here — bring out from an insider's point of view — is the overall administrative structure of the Church.
There's a great deal of publicity that's put out that your individual churches are corporate bodies unto themselves with their own board of directors. And many of the boards of directors are on the planet that they publicize, and I worked with those directors. And they were just common, everyday staff members who signed papers when it was necessary.
So, I want to kind of go over the post areas that I've held in my job so that you can see what kind of a background I had. And it will probably make it a little bit easier for you to ask direct questions later.
I have been at one time or another everything from a bodyguard to the now deceased Quentin Hubbard to the fleet captain for the Hubbard cruiseships on the west coast; I was an executive trouble-shooter for top management of the Church; I went on a few missions out of Clearwater under control of the Church of Scientology; and as an administrative director, in other words, as a command team.
The basic command of the organization, for the entire Church of Scientology, when I left in 1966, was situated right here —
MRS. GARVEY: '76.
MR. MAYER: — excuse me — was situated here in Clearwater, and had been on the Flagship Apollo. I was the ship's manager just prior to the move here, and part of my job was getting the ship ready to come in here.
I did approximately eighteen successful missions for the senior top management of the Church all over the world, including South Africa, Scotland, Manchester, Saint Hill in England. I worked with Guardian's Office staff members. I worked with Jane Kember; I worked with Mo Budlong. I did an intelligence mission in Scotland for the Church while I was there.
Jane Kember was the Guardian for the Church of Scientology, the head of the Guardian's Office below Mary Sue Hubbard. Mary Sue Hubbard was Commodore's Staff Guardian, which the Commodore's Staff were the assistants to the Commodore, to Ron, in each of the divisional areas of the Church: finance, dissemination, public relations. Ron had a staff member, Commodore's Staff, for each one of those areas.
Here in Clearwater, they did evaluations on a weekly basis for the entire worldwide network of the Church. On the basis of the financial well-being of the various organizations around the world, missions — people who were top-management trained — would go out to various organizations to back the income back up if it was down. And your whole control or command information center for those evaluations centered in Tampa after they moved here and then Flag was moved into the Fort Harrison Hotel.
So, that's just a little kind of a background on the type of thing I did. I acted, primarily, as a trouble-shooter, and as things were going on, I was sent out.
The reason I left Scientology, by the way, was because of the things that I saw and participated in through my tenure with the Church. It got to the point where I could no longer in my own mind justify what the Church's policy in handling government agencies and society was; they were allegedly there to save. I could no longer reconcile that with the stated aims of the Church. So, I resigned from the Sea Organization while on leave of absence in 1976, and I was subsequently expelled from the Church.
Part of the reason I wanted to come down here is that I had talked to Martin Cohen, who's the senior counselor for the IRS in the tax case, about a week or so ago. And I asked him if there was anything that I could, you know, do for them while I was down there in terms of bringing back information. One of the things that he said to me is "You know, Scott, you've been a year at this now" — and I'm still on an on-call basis as a consultant. He said, "If I had realized what you were trying to tell me a year ago, we could have had a whole different tack in this case."
And I have a — and I have to admit to you that I've stayed pretty well in hiding for the last three years, after I had an experience when my car was blown up on Christmas Eve in 1978 in front of a place where the Church thought I was staying, but I was living elsewhere. I had planted that information with the Church so that I'd know if they were trying to contact me.
So, I've stayed pretty much in hiding. And I feel that these hearings are a chance for a little bit of light to come out on this so that people who are out in the field now — and I know a lot of them. I'm small potatoes compared to what some others out in the field have done, things that they've done and experienced. And I would like very much for them to feel free to be able to rejoin society and contribute to it, because that, in essence, was their main concern and reason for going into the Church in the first place: it was to help evolve the planet.
There's a tendency to kind of group Scientologists together in terms of the reflection that the top management presented, but the average staff member is nothing more, as far as I'm concerned, than a psychological — a psychopolitical dupe. The organization is structured in such a manner that everything is done on a neat basis, much like security in the military. So, all those — and evaluations are done to keep various areas of the Church from operating on their own goals and purposes without really knowing what's going on in another area, although, there is an incredible grapevine that goes through the Church of Scientology.
And I had an amusing incident about a week ago where I told a story to someone who was no longer in Scientology at a place in Los Angeles, California, and within a week, the story had gone across country through some Scientologists and back through my wife's — a friend of my wife's and back to me. And the person that I talked to could no longer get any information about the Church. But it took a week, just person-to-person, to get the story. I won't bother with the story.
Getting back to my original point: I'm, basically, here today to try to impress you with the magnitude of the operation that you are facing. And I want you to know in no uncertain terms that there is constant evaluation of this hearing going on and all of the things that have happened up to now. And right over here in the Combat Information Center — if that's where they've still got it — evaluations are being done on how to handle you. And I would like to see the tables turned for a change, because I don't think that they're going to be successful.
The points that I would like to cover today are, basically: violations of clear cut — of policy, such as registration and operation of maritime vessels, violations of those rules; transportation of funds in and out of the United States illegally; the violation of Federal Communications Regulations on the use of telex and radio communication equipment; transportation of personnel into and out of the country in violation of immigration laws; conspiracy to impede the IRS; the use of cruel and unusual punishment; and the attempt to defraud the United States Postal Service. And I have personal experience with the Church in all of those areas. Also, the ill treatment of children, parishioners; living conditions — I've travelled to almost all the organizations around the world, and Clearwater is just another step in the whole game.
In accounting, you know, you talk about the normal course of business and business papers, things that are written out and done standardly pretty much on a day-to-day basis, and you don't deviate. Well, the Church has a standard operating basis, and it has an incredible amount of policy that it can show you to tell you that it's not doing anything, but to someone who's really well trained in the policy, they can show you policy that makes it be all right. So, you continuously have a facade being put forth to the public about what's Church policy, but there is corollary — corresponding policy that would make it all right to violate that policy.
MR. CALDERBANK: Superseding policy?
MR. MAYER: Yes.
Well, it happens to be a crime in the Church to impede Scientology. And any staff member, you know, is severely punished in terms of the organization for impeding the progress or the expansion of Scientology. That's called High Crime Policy; the Fair Game Policy is part of that, which is allegedly cancelled, but I have never found a Church official that could show me the policy that cancelled it because it would have to be written by L. Ron Hubbard and, you know, specifically deny that policy, not a little caption printed down at the bottom. I printed those captions; I used to be Deputy Post Chief US in the early seventies. We put them on all the policy letters, which didn't cancel anything, certainly not the way an Ethics Officer would handle a person who's trying to impede the progress of the Church.
In terms of the Fair Game Policy itself, of course, I have no way of proving that the Church of Scientology blew up my car. I just have the knowledge within myself that that's where I told them I was and that's where it got blown up. The fact that I didn't live there was to my credit, not theirs.
In testifying before the U.S. Tax Court, the day after my address went on the record, I was sued by the Church by my ex-wife, who, I assume, is still in Scientology. The transcript hadn't even been published yet and they had my name and address and had a little kid come out and serve me papers. So, I was being sued, and I subsequently moved. I was under IRS protection at the time, anyway; they stayed at the house. So, I moved and I've been moving ever since.
They also pulled out my — what's called a B 1 File, during the Scientology hearings. And what it basically is is a list of the things that I have done wrong in the past that came out of my confessional folder.
I'm kind of getting a little out of sequence here in terms of what I wanted to talk to you about, but since the point has been brought out, there is a statement by the Church that confessional folders are not available to anybody but the auditor or the minister. And I can't tell you the number of folders that I looked at when I was going around in various organizations trying to get the income up, because I had to know what was going on with them in order to get them back on line and get them doing their job.
So, they brought out my B 1 File. I didn't even know it was that thick; I was rather flattered. I didn't know they could get that much stuff out of it. And there were a couple of files sitting right next to me with — in the courtroom that had my name on it, and they didn't have anything but my confessional folders and my B 1 File. The B 1 File comes out of the confessional folder. It's a time sequence — day/time sequence — list of all of the things they feel they can use.
That's a very good point. This was during the second day of the trial in Los Angeles, California that the files appeared.
MR. LeCHER: Which trial is that?
MR. MAYER: This is the U.S. Tax Court trial. The approximate time would have been around February of last year; it was about February of last year.
I was — about two days into it — you have to realize that my function during the trial was — when a Scientologist would get up on the stand and tell their version of what was going on in the Church, whenever they would either directly lie or when they would present a policy letter that was supposed to tell what kind of — what their policy was on the subject that was being discussed, I would reach over to Mr. Cohen and I would direct him to the policy letter, the definitions that opposed that. So, I was not very popular with the Church's attorney, because we were shooting holes in their stories.
For the next couple of days, my folders arrived. And it was just nothing more than the standard attempt to intimidate me and let me know that they were going to try to make public what was in my confessional folders. Well, I would willingly let any one of you read them now, because there isn't anything that anybody's going to do to me anyway. I did what I did; I've been what I've been, and I've either learned from it or I haven't. So, I don't have any secrets that way. But it was an attempt to intimidate —
MR. LeCHER: Was that about when your car was blown up?
MR. MAYER: No. That was 1978, and I had been moving around.
In addition, several Guardian's Office members appeared at friends of mine's houses looking for me during the trial. In fact, the day before I was supposed to appear, I got a telephone call from a Karen Kyper, who had — was originally out of the Minneapolis Organization and married to Bob Kyper, also a Guardian's Office staff member. She and another girl harassed a friend of mine down at Laguna Beach; they were trying to get in touch with me before I went in and testified.
The other areas that I would like to cover with you, is how Scientology actually operates against the best interests of the community and, possibly, touch on some things that I think would help you in the incredible job you've got of making ordinances out of all this. So, I'd like to get back to the use of various telex equipment and so on and so forth.
During the course of my time in Scientology, as senior executive, I was on call twenty-four hours a day. I could be on course in Los Angeles and be ordered into briefing because a set of Flag Mission Orders had come in, ordering me to Austin, Texas or Boston or Florida or South Africa. And I'd have about fifteen or twenty minutes to get my stuff together and get into briefing.
And, incidentally, one of my jobs when I first got into the upper level of the executive structure was briefing couriers on how to get things in and out of the country. I'm — I probably have a hundred briefing tapes of people, couriers, that I briefed on how to-get through the various immigration and customs officials, postal officials, attempts to get things out of the country. I have been personally involved with people who have brought money in and out of the United States.
My ex-wife and I smuggled two thousand dollars worth of rand apiece into this — into Clearwater on our last mission from South Africa in 1976.
MR. LeCHER: Two thousand dollars worth of what?
MR. MAYER: Rand, krugerand —
MR. LeCHER: Oh.
MR. MAYER: — that's the name of the currency there.
So, I'm familiar with the fact that it isn't just an accident that some money gets out of the country. It's a regular, established procedure.
There' s an interesting thing about the procedure, too, because on the — on the face of it it looks like everyday business activities and students coming in and out and so on and so forth. It's just exactly what it's supposed to look like. A Scientologist, for instance, in Los Angeles who was going to come to Clearwater to get some training would be taken into the briefing room in Los Angeles and briefed on techniques of getting through various government agencies. They would even go so far as to clay demo; they would do clay demonstrations of the ways they were going to do it: what if this happened. And I would grill them on all the possibility — all the things that I thought that they could run into, until I was certain that they could pass a security check, which is nothing more than a lie detector test. And they could go down and they could say that they understood their mission and they knew how to carry it out, and they had no other reason for going than to carry the mission out.
This was routine. They were routinely checked on a lie detector to make sure they actually got what I was trying to tell them and, you know, didn't have any other reasons for doing it. We might send out twelve or fifteen people in a week to Clearwater and to other places earlier where Flag was.
I was also at the time — my cover was called Operations in the United States. I was directly under what was then the Continental Commander for the United States area. I handled external communications, telex transmissions, church management across the United States on a supervisor level, and data evaluations, organization analysis. I would analyze things that were going on in various churches around the country and devise programs or plans that people could be sent out to raise the income level of the organization.
So, I might brief ten or twelve people a week to go out to Flag. And my External Communications Chief would have pre-wrapped, using two sets of wrappers — the first wrapper for whatever was going out would have the liaison office address on it for wherever the package was going to go through before it was mailed — before it got to Flag, and the second one would be a phony address with a phony corporate name on it.
And at one time — when I first inherited the job, we maintained five different phony companies that things were shipped out of Los Angeles to various parts of the world. And all the packages that I sent had an outer wrapping and then an inner wrapping, so that when the courier successfully got out of the country, the wrapping could be taken off at the liaison office and then forwarded to the next checkpoint.
The — after the couriers were briefed by me, they were sent down to Finance where they would be given packages to courier to Flag. None of the couriers, because of the fact that the packages were pre-wrapped, knew who had the loot or who had what. And they were all instructed to act as though they were just corporate papers, and that was part of the standard, everyday briefing.
And people — well, I was briefed on three missions here in Clearwater, and I took documents out of the country. I was sent out as a tourist to South Africa and England and Scotland from Clearwater and came back here and debriefed and then went out again.
I have to say that in all kindness that when I — I stumbled across a little of an invoicing fixing project when I was at Flag. I was the ship's manager of the Apollo before it came into Florida. The Church was doing a little invoice changing project right underneath our office on the ship. And I got — my wife and I got sent out on a mission because I didn't want to be here when the IRS got into — when they got into Clearwater. So, I was probably not quite the perfect Scientologist in that respect. But I just couldn't see how they could get away with it. As it turns out, they're not.
MR. FLYNN: I'd just like to make a legal point to the Commission here. His background — the relevance or importance of all his testimony is that the allegations in the report and the considerations of the Commission are that the goals and purposes and representations, policies of the Church are misrepresented to people here in Clearwater as to what they're paying for, what the nature of the organization is. And that these policies with regard to what the nature of the organization is are uniform. And, therefore, important for your consideration is whether there are uniform policies that have been practiced for many years right up to the present time here in Clearwater, which are in direct contradiction to those represented policies as to the nature of the organization for which people are paying millions of dollars for here in Clearwater.
So, from a legal point of view, all of this testimony is extremely important.
MR. LeCHER: Mr. Calderbank has a quick question.
MR. CALDERBANK: Yeah, I've got a legal point, Mr. Flynn.
One of the newspaper reporters that's reporting on this legislative hearing continually refers to allegations of fact, your allegations, as these witnesses come up. For the benefit of the public and the viewing public, especially, at home, I'd like to have that, if it need be, corrected.
Is this testimony and are these documents coming in before this City Commission — are they as the paper says? And are they your allegations or — what are they? What do we consider them?
MR. FLYNN: Well, first of all, I haven't been sworn under oath, yet; I'm not the one testifying. So, obviously, they're not mine.
Secondly, perhaps, whoever you're quoting should go to law school to realize the significance of what's being done.
MR. CALDERBANK: So, this — it is evidence?
MR. FLYNN: When the final report is prepared and the items of evidence that have been introduced so far and will be introduced the rest of the afternoon are presented to the Commission, together with the proposals for the ordinances, the significance of it will become quite plain.
MR. CALDERBANK: So, they're not allegations, they're evidence?
MR. FLYNN: That's correct.
MR. LeCHER: That's a good point, Mr. Calderbank. Many people have read those allegations, and I'm glad it's cleared up and now understood.
MR. CALDERBANK: Thank you.
MR. LeCHER: Mr. Mayer.
MR. MAYER: I'd like to say something about what just transpired here.
I have not heard any of the testimony that's gone on before me, except a couple of minutes of the last person, as it was closing.
I am not here to make any legal allegations in terms of the trial or anything like that. I am here to state to you in no uncertain terms that there is only one Church of Scientology; there's only ever been one Church of Scientology. Its entire management operation has been run from Ron Hubbard to Mary Sue Hubbard to the Guardian's Office to the Sea Organization, which is the arm of the Church that carries out on the administrative policy demands. It has always been that way. There has never been a board of directors that has ever operated autonomously within the Church in any organization that I have ever been in, and I've been in almost all of them.
One of the — one of the persons that — I did a mission — for instance, Dennis Goggly, in Saint Hill, England, is allegedly one of the officers of the Church of Scientology. I did a mission with him; he was nothing but a clerk. We did a mission to Scotland to handle a guy that was messing up an organization there. And we used his confessional file and his B 1 file and knowledge of Communist activities on his part and involvement that he had had with a stolen goods ring to run him out of the area and stop interfering with the Church operations.
Mr. Goggly had never, ever been in a position — he was kind of a laughable kind of a guy, as a matter of fact. There was no way that he was intellectually capable of being an officer of a worldwide organization, let lone the mother Church in England.
MRS. GARVEY: Would you just — would you have him define "mission," what he is talking about?
MR. MAYER: A mission — a mission is a specific set of objectives. If I say I went on a mission, that means that there was a specific area that needed to be handled within one of the churches, and a step-by-step sequence of actions for rectifying that situation was laid out. And I was very thoroughly briefed on what to do and how to do it.
I could walk into the organization and remove the executive director, whether he was the president of the church in that state or not. I could walk in and show him my Mission's Orders and say, "You're on your way to Flag. Be ready in a half hour." And there wouldn't be anybody that would give me any flap about it.
Maybe I'm being strong in my language about it, but I'm trying to get across to you that a Sea Org. member on a Flag Mission Order or an L. Ron Hubbard Personal Mission — which I have been on — has unlimited Ethics power in the organization, unlimited ability to walk in and remove the directors and send them packing to appear before what the Church calls a Committee of Evidence and have their confessional folders brought out, gone through, and charges made, and have them go to Committee on it. Nothing to it. That was just standard, everyday stuff.
Any — the Church is very fond of telling you that nobody has access to those confessional folders. It's just not true. Any missioner can order them. I used to order them brought into me so that I could see which people I wanted to take the time — because it's very lengthy process to do a lie detector test, especially, to the degree that the Church does: to get into their personal history, their personal — it's just — it's looking for crimes against the Church is what it's looking for.
See, it's against policy to overtly impede the progress of the Church. In fact, it's a crime not to practice Scientology; you impede the Church by not practicing it. So, it's very standard procedure to find out who's been doing what, bring then into the office, and let them know that you know what they've been doing, what's been going on.
One of the techniques that's also used is to go: "Listen we know where there were some errors in your auditing. We know where there are some case problems here. Don't worry about it. As long as you produce, as long as your production is up" — if a person was a registrar, their sales were up for the week — "as long as you're doing that, don't worry. You'll get your auditing and we'll make everything all right for you."
So, I just want to really get that point across to you that there is no separation in the — of the various churches.
If I — in fact, before I left, I used to go into the data files, while being briefed for a mission, and I could pull out — the Church is very fond of saying there's no connecting financial reports, yet, I could walk into the files and get a complete financial report on any organization around the world. Of course, we stuck pretty much to what we were doing for that particular mission, what we were supposed to do there. But it's just simply not true that there are no AC 2 forms, which are the Church's — a breakdown of the gross income that comes into the Church are standardly sent every Thursday night to what's called Data Files so that, over that weekend, evaluations can be done by the Commodore's Staff. And if the income had dropped sufficiently in an area, a couple of people like myself would be gotten together and sent out as a team to straighten the area out and get the income up again.
MR. FLYNN: One more legal point: The significance of the record-keeping process of the Church of Scientology, of which the witness has just testified, one — one little, part of — is extremely significant, and he could testify for weeks on that subject alone.
It's very significant for this Commission because, if the Church of Scientology does produce any witnesses, you may rest assured that any subject matters that the Commission wishes to question them on — there have been extensive records kept on any of those subjects, as this witness is testifying now, pursuant to corporate policy, for many years.
So, if there were records pertaining to any educational processing that's been going on at the Fort Harrison, clinics, patients being taken care of, people being taken care of, what they were treated for, children that were in the nursery, what type of education they've received, what type of grades they received, Guardian's Office operations, any of hundreds of varieties of issues, you can rest assured, as the witness will testify, that there has been an extensive record keeping about that issue. And so, if a witness is brought onto the witness stand, he could be questioned in detail as to, for instance, if there, was a school at the Fort Harrison, where the school was, what dates the school was run, who attended the school, and what records there are pertaining to all of those items.
MR. MAYER: I think I can give you a real good example of how confessional folders are normally used. I was fired on a mission from Clearwater into Saint Hill, England. Flag had arrived at that point in time — and this ties in with the misuse of telex to mislead government officials, too, because all of our missions were operated by Mr. Hubbard's son-in-law, who was sitting over here — or was sitting over here — at the Fort Harrison, by telex. There was daily telex transmission from wherever we were in the world into Clearwater into what was called the Action Bureau, where missions would be evaluated on a daily basis.
As I said earlier, there were some problems in an organization in Scotland and in Manchester. I was for a short time on loan to the Guardian's Office Intelligence Bureau in Saint Hill, England. I was shown a B 1 file, an intelligence file, that came from the preclear folder or the confessional folders, of the person we were going to deal with, which dealt with sexual misconduct, orgies, and so and so forth about — of an executive director in the Manchester Organization. His wife had already come — had split from him and had come down to Saint Hill to more or less turn herself in and get back into the good graces, and she had supplied a lot of information.
We walked into the organization, and I sat the man down and told him what we knew and told him he was on his way to Saint Hill and that if he ever got back in the good graces of the Church, he could probably have his organiza[tion] back. The man was a medical doctor, who was also the executive director of one of the organizations.
But I knew of at least a half a dozen people who knew about the information that was in his confessional folder. And it was used to remove him as the executive director and get him back down to the Saint Hill Org. for quote, unquote handling.
Those operations were monitored via telex from the United States, from your city. Right here.
There has never been a command line anywhere in Scientology that did not go through, either, the Guardian's Office or the Commodore's Staff to Ron and to Mary Sue. Wherever they have been, their aides have passed down their orders to the rest of the organization. When it moved here to Clearwater, it was no exception; the whole operation was here.
There were just literally thousands and thousands of files. There was a room bigger than this one filled with file cabinets with — that they pulled off of the ship that contained the data of all of the missions that had been sent Out from Flag. All that information was available right here in your city. I read it; I used it and did my job. I couldn't have done my job without it. I had to know what was going on in the organizations in order to be able to handle the people we were having trouble with.
MR. BERFIELD: Those files were here in —
MR. MAYER: Here.
MR. BERFIELD: In Clearwater?
MR. MAYER: In the bank building right over here. That's where I was briefed.
I would like to make —
MR. FLYNN: The potential legal ramifications of much of this witness' testimony, as was Mr. Walters' testimony, although not known at the time, are broad ranging, and at a later point in time they'll be made plain. All of this testimony is extremely important with regard to those ordinances.
MR. MAYER: I have a photostatic copy of the original — and by the way, the data that I'm going to talk to you about is available to the counselor, so if you need copies of it, you're more than welcome to it.
I may have to translate this somewhat for you, but — because of the terminology; however, the terminology — you can look it up in your own version of the Scientology dictionary, when you get the telex later on.
But this telex was sent to the LRH's — L. Ron Hubbard's personal secretary in the United States by L. Ron Hubbard's personal secretary on Flag, which was then located in the Netherlands Antilles. This was in, I believe, 1974 or '75. The name of the person was Ken Erkhardt; he's well known as the LRH personal secretary.
With translations, it reads: "To the LRH personal secretary OB regarding the ship." At this time I had just inherited the flotilla of ships in the — on the west coast, and I became the fleet captain. I'm qualified to run any tonnage in any ocean in any weather. So, I was a qualified skipper. And I had just taken it over. But the ships were in very poor shape. They were run by an unqualified personnel who didn't know what they were doing, didn't know how to maintain them, and they were placing the Church at risk, basically.
I had taken aircraft carriers through renovations while I was in the service. And I took the Apollo through one, so I knew what I was doing. And I was appointed as the captain. However, there were — the ship was sitting alongside the dock. You have to realize this ship cost — it was one hundred eighty-five feet long and it had a couple hundred crew members on it, and it was costing the Church five thousand dollars a week to sit there. That was our budget per week, five thousand dollars.
The Church wanted it out, cruising up and down the coast, doing recruiting, doing events, public events, where we could introduce people to Scientology and then usher them into the local organizations where the registrar would be signed up for courses.
The telex reads: "Leave the threat of the Rehabilitation Project Forces hanging over them for now." And this was with regard to the staff, the ship's officers that I inherited when I took on the post: the Public Officer, the Finance Officer, the Chief Officer. These are people who had not, quote, unquote, made it so far; it was costing a lot of money.
It says: "Leave the threat of the Rehabilitation Project Forces hanging over them for now. Have their confessional folders gone through, listing all crimes found. Crimes must be verified and not auditor errors, and the criminals with the greatest treasonous actions put on the Rehabilitation Project Forces. The remainder are told that they have one more chance to come clean and go straight. Have their folders summarized and programmed for vital corrections and then a security checking. If there are no more changes, they go to the Rehabilitation Project Forces.
"Regardless of any auditing or security checking, those not going to the RPF are to get on the ball and pull their weight and complete the ship's programs by the deadline already given. There's going to be no Captain Bill to reward you. They make it or they don't. And if they haven't woken up to that, wake them up.
"Love, Erk." Ken Erkhardt.
Like the line in their own telex form, they ordered people to go into confessional folders. They make it obvious.
MR. FLYNN: For the record, we will be presenting numerous, actual telex operations and operations with confessional folders on the overhead projector at the appropriate time.
Again, the significance of that issue — where, probably, per year, thousands, perhaps, tens of thousands — numbers unknown by this Commission at this point — are coming to your city and paying millions of dollars, believing that all of that information that is being given to this organization is highly confidential is of obvious legal significance.
MR. MAYER: The next point that I'd like to talk about in relation to what was just gone over is the Church's free use of telex lines and confessional folders and breaking and entry in order to gain an advantage in the community.
In 1971, when I was running operations for the Church, I was involved with a man whose name I don't care to give now — unless it's all right with you.
Okay. His name was Bill Foster. One of the people that he worked with on that operation is here today, so he could be called up to corroborate what I'm going to say to you.
I received a call from Bill Foster, while in New York. I had been sent from the Apollo, which was operating in the Antilles at the time, to New York with my wife to operate the eastern seaboard for the Church on a management mission.
Mr. Foster had allegedly been expelled a couple of years earlier for misconduct or something in Boston.
I received a call from Bill Foster, and he came into the org. — we had been very close friends. And he came in with an incredible story. He said that he had, in actual fact, been operating the Guardian's Office out of Boston and Washington and involved in a break — breaking and entering team. His cover had been blown because one of the operatives had been compromised — at the time I didn't know who that was — and the Church was going to leave him high and dry. In other words, they were not going to acknowledge the fact that he had been working for them. They were upholding the story that he had been expelled and was doing it on his own.
He came to me because, at that time, I was the senior executive authority on the eastern seaboard for the Church and in direct contact with Flag management. My mission was being run by telex on a daily basis. When he asked me if I could assist him, I called the person who was then in charge of the Guardian's Office in Boston — this is Bob Raimer, who had also been a friend of mine, I had worked with him on a mission some years earlier in Boston — and I said: "Look it, Foster's here, this is what he told me. Is it true? Has he been working for you in the field?" And he said, "Yeah. Yeah, he has."
And I said, "Well, just on the basis of misuse of policy in handling the man, I thought that I could help him out with Flag management." And I started to get a lot of heat down by telex lines about him and what he had done and so on and so forth. So, I go him out of the country; I sent him to a mission in Canada, where, up to a few months ago, he was still residing, not being willing to come back to the United States, I suppose, until the statute of limitations runs out on his activities.
MR. FLYNN: Some more detailed evidence pertaining to that particular subject will also be introduced at a later time. The legal significance of that testimony may relate to the disowning of the policies of the corporation to disown information or responsibility for the actions of its operatives, such as Mary Sue Hubbard and the other top ten people who have just been convicted.
And the significance for this city is the fact that the corporation is now disowning responsibility of those people for any of the things that took place here in Clearwater or around the world. And that disowning of responsibility process began last summer and is taking place right up to the present time. The inferences that could be drawn from the testimony of this witness regarding that policy to disown are becoming apparent on their face.
MR. MAYER: To elaborate on that even further, I'm not here to complain about what the Church has done to me. Understand that. I'm here to really impress upon you what you're actually dealing with, the magnitude of what you're dealing with.
In 1971, we had — and, of course, this ties into the treatment of children, too, actually, because, in 1971, we had a base in Mexico, and it had been put there as a training camp for Sea Org. members, missioners, and a place to put what was called the Cadet Org., the children's org. Children were routinely transported from Los Angeles to the Mexican base and berthed and housed there under the care of various base personnel so that their mothers and fathers could get on with their business within the Church. A lot of them had staff positions and senior executive positions in the Church in Los Angeles.
We were having a great deal of problems at that time with the city officials. I don't know what the laws are here in Florida, but in Los Angeles, 1.1 person in a one-bedroom apartment, excluding kitchens and bathrooms, is considered overcrowded, anything over that. Of course, the Church doesn't normally have bathrooms and kitchens in this little room, so quite frequently — in fact, almost all the time — those rooms are incredibly overcrowded. So that it was a place to get kids out of the country and out of the way of production.
Mexico, of course, is — had at that time — ten years ago is still pretty long — in fact, there were bandit groups roaming the hills. And they used to come down to the base. The base fell under my sphere of responsibility as an operating project; I was in charge of operations. Bandits were coming in at night and they were stealing grain and they were stealing saddles and whatever wasn't tied down, whatever they could get away with, and they were causing a lot of commotion.
And I was asked to go down with another ex-member of the Church, whose name I don't care to give you because he's still around — we were asked to go down there and eliminate that. That person and myself have had extensive intelligence and, I think, counterintelligence activities in the armed forces. The person at that time had free access — in fact, was dealing in arms at the time and was routinely used by the Church on various Guardian operations.
We were asked to go down and did go — actually, went into briefing to go down and set up a little infrared sniper scope in the middle of the night and make sure the bandits didn't bother us anymore. Fortunately, for me, the lady — one of the ladies who was managing the children's org. at the time shot one of the bandits — I believe it was the leader — through the front door when they were trying to break in and they dispersed and the mission was subsequently called off.
I just want to get across to you that, at that point in time with the Church, that sort of thing — that they were impeding Scientology. They were nothing but bandits and had to be gotten out of the way. And that was the way it went.
I don't know what else to tell you about it. You can ask questions about it if you'd like. All I can say is at the time I was willing to go. I don't necessarily feel good about that now, but at the time I didn't think of it.
I think, since I've already mentioned children — I have, in addition — I could say without any reservation that the food, the supervision of children, the education of children, in every organization that I have ever been in in the Church, has been terrible.
I got into an incredible fire fight with a person named Fran Broker, who was in charge at that time of financing the various operations in —
MR. SHOEMAKER: Mr. Mayer —
MR. MAYER: — Los Angeles.
MR. SHOEMAKER: — what do you mean by "fire fight"?
MR. MAYER: Well, I was trying to get money for the base and she had the power of the pen, all right? And I had to convince — I had to make a plea for monies to adequately feed and house the children. And the problem that I had — it's a kind of a funny story in a way, but at the time for me it was really serious.
The caretaker used to come up from Mexico on a weekly basis to get money to bring back down for day-to-day purchasing in Mexico because of the price difference. The area was incredibly infested with scorpions, snakes, tarantulas, spiders. The area around the base house was — had a lot of shrubbery up against the house, and the place had never really been put — you know, made habitable.
The man brought me up a jar full of scorpions, tarantulas, and later he said, "Look it, we've got to have money to clear this brush out, so these kids — if one of these kids gets bit, you know, you and I are the ones that are going to be in trouble because we're responsible for the area. The rest of the Church is going take the rap of getting us killed down here."
So, I brought — I took the car and I brought it into the woman and I plopped it down on her desk, and I said, "Here they are. What I've told you is true, and I'm laying it on you. I'm not going to be responsible anymore for the care of those children if you are going to deny me the funds to get the tools necessary to clean around the house and to take all the brush and stuff away and make it safe for them." And I eventually got the money, by the way, but I was no longer in — and it was a little hard for me.
That persisted wherever I went. Staff members were always ill-fed, ill-clothed. I had a personal situation where I had an abscess in my tooth and I was being audited for it. I'm ready to go to the dentist, and I was being audited for it. And I spent about a week, week and-a-half, doing various auditing assists — what they call touch assists — to get rid of the pain and get me out of it. And, finally, it just — I was just delirious and — well, there wasn't any money for the medical is what it boiled down to. They didn't have the money to take me to the dentist, so they were trying to handle it with Scientology.
I went to the dentist, and this was in San Pedro — although, I don't recall the name of the dentist, the records are certainly still available if it came to that — he told me I had just made it. It was abscessing and it was, you know, up into my gums and stuff, and if it had been another day or so, I wouldn't be here to talk to you.
You wanted to know about conditions here in Florida in your own city. When I first came back from — well, my last mission to South Africa, when I came back, I was very, very disgruntled with the Church's operations. I refused to take posting because it just was not within my sense of ethics. So, I went back to what was my original job, which was management.
And the person that I had trained to replace me, when I went off on mission, was now the manager for the Fort Harrison. His name will probably come back to me: Nick something. Anyway, he had — I had been his senior, and I came back and I said, "Look, I'm fighting this posting. Until it's handled, I don't want to do anything except do what the policy says, which is I have a right to my old job back when I come off of a mission. But I don't want to take your job, so just put me to work and, if you're willing to fight for me as a staff member, well, I'm not going anywhere."
So, for several weeks before I managed to get out of Clearwater and go back to Los Angeles on a leave of absence, I set up bunk beds in the Fort Harrison Hotel up to the ceiling and just packed them in like rats.
MR. HATCHETT: You mean, people.
MR. MAYER: People.
There were rooms that were — that were smaller than the division of this area here that had bunks in them five high and clothes strewn all over, sea bags full of clothes just — in fact, my wife and I were stuck in a room that was already occupied by somebody because they were out on another assignment for a couple of days, and we had to — we had to coexist with all of their things in the room in crowded conditions. We didn't even have a place to hang our clothes.
And this is routine. I'm not talking about something that happens once in a while.
When I was in charge of operations in Los Angeles, I used to drill the staff members — we very often had people that were sympathetic to the Church that would apprise us of inspections that were going to take place. And when we'd get a forewarning of it, we had drills set up to pull the bunk beds out, move the dressers out, ship them over to one of the other houses until the inspection was over, and then bring them back and pack them back in again.
MR. BERFIELD: That was here in Clearwater?
MR. MAYER: No. I didn't do the drilling here in Clearwater. But that is part of one of the regular drill that the Sea Organization has on what is called station — it's naval terminology. They have drills on repelling enemy mortars. Sea Org. members are routinely trained on how to do this.
So, if, for instance, security here in the Fort Harrison was apprised that there was going to be an inspection, there'd be more Guardian's Office personnel running round than you could think of making sure that everybody got all the evidence out of sight. It would be swept clean before anybody got there. And then, a couple of Guardian's Office staff members would be on the inspection to feed them false data, maybe give them reports of their own about the conditions, and just generally distract them from carrying out their duties.
And this is not something that happens just once in a while. It's a drilled thing; it's a training process. It's a common, everyday, garden variety training drill.
I think — I'm open right now for anything you want to ask about it. I do have some other things, but I think it would probably be —
MR. LeCHER: All right. I'll start out with a few questions and then turn it over to my colleagues.
I think you're probably the best one to answer this question that I've asked about two others: Why Clearwater? And why the United Churches of Florida, and why not Tampa, Brooksville, or Miami? And why not Scientology? The climate's not right?
MR. MAYER: Yes, in more than one sense of the word. And you're talking about — when you're talking about setting up a base where L. Ron Hubbard might actually come, you're talking about an area that is very, very heavily evaluated in every sense of the word. Who's in local offices? What have they done?
And I want you to know that every single person on the City Council was very, very thoroughly — their background was very, very thoroughly checked to see if there was any stuff in the woodwork that could be used against you.
I happen to know the man that purchased the Church grounds here in Clearwater at the time. His name was Ron Strauss. He was a musician on Flag in the band when he was selected for the mission and said he would do it.
These evaluations, of course, were done — they're all done in advance. All this stuff was done in advance.
I was personally sent out on a mission with a man by the name of Commander Bob Young, by Ron Hubbard, to find a base for the Apollo. It was only a rumor; but it was pretty solid to everybody that was on the ship at the time, that Mary Sue had had enough of running around on Ron's rusty old yachts and wanted a nice place where, you know, she could have herself a little chicken farm or something. It didn't, of course, work out that way.
I ran all over the Caribbean with another man looking for locations. We went into the places on a cover story.. The cover story was, basically, that Operation Transport Corporation, which is now and never has been anything else but the Church of Scientology, was going to set up a training center where they could do their business management consulting out of.
There was another operation going on at the time called Universal Media Organization, which was a promotional organization: television shows, slide shows. We did some work for one of the government officials on Aruba, I believe it was; we did a project for them. This was all laying a cover so that, when the Church came in, all the questions that could be asked and all the investigations that could be done to discourage them from coming in had been done on an organization that really didn't exist anyway, except as a facade to waste your time on. By the time you'd finished running around trying to sort all of that stuff, then, we were already here, if I remember correctly.
MR. LeCHER: Well, I remember the story in 1975, when you arrived, and I first was in office — but the story I had was that you bought the Fort Harrison for a religious retreat for retired ministers.
MR. MAYER: Yes. Well, the actual fact of the matter is what we were trying to do at that time — Bob Young and myself, Bill Azzeroni — I don't know where he is now — we were the ones that — and Ron's personal secretary or assistant at the time; her name was Liz Osley. We conceived the idea of the media organization in order to get Ron back out into the public. We all felt at this time that he get out in the public.
The idea was — and I used to read the scripts. We'd write the scripts for what was going to go on and we were shooting scenes that were going to go on, and would go through this to Ron and/or Mary Sue and be approved, the actions. And the idea was to get Ron out here in the community as a religious leader. In fact, I believe he did a couple of radio shows with some local Baptist ministers when he first came in here. And the whole idea was, of course, to use the opinion leader policy of the Church, which is to get a trained Scientologist alongside of someone — not necessarily the governmental head of an agent, but who he listens to.
Who do you go to when you have — when you need advice, as a counsel? You have people that you — you respect their advice.
Well, it's a little too obvious to put a trained Scientologist in the mayor's office. Well, if you can find somebody that the mayor talks to and get a trained Scientologist next to him, boy, you're in good shape. You can just feed anything you want to him along that line. And I assure you that's done every day.
I personally brought sixty people up to the governor's campaign in, I think it was, 1974. I was asked by the Guardian's Office to provide Rehabilitation Project Force personnel to back one of the gubernatorial candidates in California. He lost, by the way, but, nonetheless, I had them up there, and I got a commendation for it — I still have it, by the way — for my actions in bringing Scientology into more good favor in the State of California.
And they stuffed flyers and they handed out flyers and brought people in to be talked to. These were the criminals of Scientology.
MR. LeCHER: Why Clearwater? Why not Tampa? Why — was Clearwater the right size, under a hundred thousand people? Was Tampa too big or was, say, Brooksville too small or —
MR. MAYER: Politics.
The reason — we found some beautiful locations for the base in the Netherlands Antilles and ran smack into a man who was in the Guardian's Office at the time — I don't know if he still is. His name was Brian Rubenick. And Brian was always a little paranoid. But he was a Guardian's Office personnel, and he was very, very afraid of the political situation in the Caribbean. At the time, as I recall, they were storing a lot of oil over there while we were having a warm winter and didn't need it here. So, there was a lot of political things going on in that area to make sure that nobody knew that there was more oil and gas around than anybody could possibly have dreamed of.
So, the political situation in every area was looked at very, very closely and evaluated.
You had a situation here at that time, as I recall, tourist business wasn't doing all that good, there was plenty of property available at a good price, a lot of people wanted to get some money back from the investments that they had made; Clearwater wasn't booming at the time.
I believe they did find some things to attack the mayor's office with at the time, although, I was running in and out of Clearwater at the time, so, I — I, you know, I wasn't directly involved, except for people would tell me things in confidence because they knew that I wouldn't squeal on them if they told me something that they couldn't cope with.
Understand that a lot of the things that I heard, I heard from close, personal friends who would have been in an awful lot of trouble had anybody known that they had disclosed what they were doing to me. In terms of the rules of evidence, I think you realize what that means. It's not hearsay.
MR. LeCHER: So, you investigated the personalities and the temperaments of the local officials, either appointed or elected, correct?
MR. MAYER: No.
Understand, a set of mission orders of the magnitude — in fact, it was an LRH Executive Directive 500 series. I don't remember the last couple of numbers on it. But this was probably a fifteen- or twenty-page set of step-by-step things that had to be done before the Guardian's Office would approve the move, all right?
So, you didn't have the Church just willy-nilly walk in here and set down. All of these things were very carefully evaluated long before they went into Daytona and started to get into trouble there.
As far as I'm concerned, from what I've been able to piece together from the people that I knew that were involved in it, this was just a politically — a nice place.
MR. LeCHER: A nice town.
Before we get on to other questions: You said that we are having a hearing against the Church of Scientology, and they are back in the office trying to figure out how to handle us.
How do you think they may handle us? What should I be aware of? What should my colleagues up on this —
MR. MAYER: Well, I'll tell you, I sure wouldn't want to have any skeletons in my closet; I'll be very frank with you.
MR. LeCHER: Now, you tell me.