Part 2 of 2
Let's just talk about the Wagers um in your mind uh are the Wagers
being persecuted you know or even genocided I I would suggest and are they been placed into
concentration camps or is this some sort of CIA plot uh to you know to to restrict the uh the
appetites of a rising power China yeah so so I'll go back to the beginning of the question and then
and then answer the final part so so the overall framing of anti-imperialism is crucial before we
get to the second part of the question I'll just say this um before I was brought onto the campaign I hosted uh Dr Jill on an Instagram live that I did and I asked her specifically I said I'm not
gonna ask you questions about Palestine because all of my Palestinian colleagues both in AA the
West Bank abroad here in the US have been pushing me towards East I'm not going to ask uh sorry
about that I'm not going to ask questions about about that I want to ask you about overall view for American foreign policy and her answer stunned me she said my view for American foreign policy is
to dismantle the American Empire great and I said yeah you better hurry up and do it quick
before somebody does it for you right that that if you take those $1.3 trillion doar that are now
spent annually on the War Machine and instead put that into housing Affordable Health Care all of
the social programs that Americans need you can cut Americans taxes and still give them better
social programming than before you can build not a Utopia but a functioning Society whereas if you
continue to squander that wealth on dealing death throughout the Imperium then somebody bricks for
example um is going to take your Empire away from you and and that can lead to a kind of collapse
into fascism which we are witnessing under both teams blue and team red so the first thing is just
to say and to affirm that there has never been a more dangerous dealer of death than the American
Empire and that our aim is to is to dismantle that Empire so that the American state survives and so
that the resources of the American state can be put at the disposition of the American people and that the globe will become a safer place when the United States is no longer the Death Star because
that's essentially what we are we point beams and Destroy whole worlds we destroyed Iraq we
destroyed Afghanistan destroyed Palestine we are the Death Star and if you have responsible
moral adults with intelligence and integrity then you can dismantle that weapon of death
and instead put all of those resources towards the construction of life and livelihood now to the question with the Wagers yeah this is a a an issue it is not a fundamental issue inside the
green party it is more of an issue that affects the the Socialists and the Communists because
there is a strong authoritarian tendency they're glossed sometimes as tankies um and it's it's a
reference to you know whether you agree with the the decision I think that Stalin made um
to to to use tanks against his own citizens to put down a popular Uprising um these are people
that will defend um authoritarians as long as they happen to be socialists or Communists as long as
they happen to be anti- capitalist um and opposed to us Empire so the first thing to just to say is
that I'm not going to waste my time arguing with Tanki so let's put that part aside right the the
the the question about weager specifically is uh one of those situations where both things can be
true and and some of the so-called leftists refuse to accept that something can be blown
out of proportion and weaponized um by CIA intelligence and Cor corupt liberal press and
also be true on the basis of facts on the ground those things can both be true at the same time
and in fact they often are but the unfortunate logic is that people are uh concluding that the
enemy of my enemy is my friend therefore I have to treat but whereas in in reality sometimes you
got two enemies right the enemy of your enemy is not always your friend and as somebody that has lived in Africa for extensive periods I speak the wallof language fluently speak the
colonial language of of of French fluently um and and by the way sagol where I did most of my field
research and have lived for years is a socialist country and they will be the first people to tell you that Chinese Capital while not violent in its domineering nature is nonetheless capitalist and
extractive in the way that it engages with the African continent Chinese are not infallible the
Chinese Communist party is not really communist it is capitalist in the way that it organizes much of
its activities at home and abroad last thing to say with respect to the Wagers we as Muslims all
know Wagers who who who who will tell us directly face Toof face their experiences of persecution
their experiences of being oppressed whether you call it um in a genocide in the the post that that
got the tankies mad at me was that I referred to to to the Wagers in the overall context of
genocidal oppression and I think that that is a fitting um you know title for what weager face and
by the way this is not a controversial position and it is not drawn from any Western sources I've never read any of those media accounts nor those CIA statements they inform my opinion and nothing
I'm an academic I served on a search committee where we hired uh uh historian historians of
China so and they were all Chinese candidates by the way those Chinese candidates write and talk
about Han Supremacy Han Chinese Supremacy as being more virulent and dangerous in China than white
supremacy is in America and the reason is that on an ethnic basis thead make up something like 91%
of the total population of China so that both the wayy and weager Muslims as well as Tibetan
Buddhists and others that don't conform to the kind of or in the case of the Wei they conform
to the ethnic basis but not the religious BAS basis of the kind of uh normative um identity
of the state that they are always living under circumstances of persecution and that by the way is a matter of fact simple academic conclusion that these so-called leftists apparently have
never read any books on the subject they nor have they had any conversation with actual Wagers as
Muslims we all have and as an academic I've read multiple Works including doctoral dissertations on these subjects is not a controversial from uh statement for me to say that Muslims have
been systematically disadvantaged and oppressed and subjected to genocidal practices for over a
thousand years yeah no I think that's a really clear answer um actually as you were talking
His political leanings
there I was I was thinking I mean you you've talked about the tankes and the leftist so where do you fit in terms of your politics like would you self-describe as someone who
is a socialist or is a leftist like how would you describe where you are my entire life I have been
an anti- capitalist um from the beginning um you know I organized a Pana africanist reading group
at the University of Minnesota when I was 18 or 19 years old um called Africa's progyny for Global power that this would I mean literally from the beginning and I was we reading Walter
Rodney um I was reading um you know the the the um African socialists you know quame and kruma seur
and others I I I learned French early on and read the French revolutionaries in their um in their
original languages whenever I could for me I don't so just to be clear about this and
this is I think why people find me difficult to place if you read my first academic book the walkin Quran you will find not a single reference to any Western theorist in the book
I do not take my categorial thinking from white supremacist categories at any level I refuse to
so I actually do not in my own thinking situate my own politics on a left to right political Spectrum
Malcolm didn't think about it or talk about it that way he never used that language he talked about liberals and conservatives he did not talk about left and right okay um for specific reasons
and though he has been claimed by many um you know socialists Communists marxists Malcolm
was not in point of fact a socialist communist or Marxist he was explicit in his rejection of
that framing as descriptive of reality because I think that Malcolm was similarly ideological res
ideologically resistant to the idea of taking some white European man as the the the founder
of his his way of thinking so for for my own personal politics have always been radically
anti- capitalist but as a believing and practicing Muslim I I and I use by the way the analytical
tools that come from marxian analysis all of the time especially when they come from colonized and
third world populations but I never consider that the kind of um doctrinaire Marxist positions as
being foundational for me in in any way um I I find a basic flaw actually um in much of the
articulation and as as a Muslim it's a relatively simple and straightforward one so linguistically
and analytically uh the anti antithesis to a thing must always contain the thesis antithesis right so
the the thing is is when you craft an antithesis you have to respond in the terms of the original
argument otherwise you do not win the original argument and what we often find in Marxist
analysis is that the values of capitalism are deeply threaded within them they're just simply
inverted they're turned into an antithesis and that's the reason part of the reason why what
we often find is uh that so-called socialists or so-called Communist States actually end up with
capitalist structures under State control rather than under control of the Bourgeois so that's a
a structural problem and it inheres in the kind of dialectic relationship just of of these are basics
of philosophy right that the thesis the antithesis must require must also contain the thesis secondly
because the thesis of marxist capitalist analysis is uh um it is it is materialist and what I mean
by that is that it has no metaphysics it takes as real only that which is empirically verifiable
and as Muslims we must therefore reject it as the basis of our ontological understandings we
can use and I encourage us to use it's analytical category for thinking critically about capitalism
but no system that is purely materialist as a philosophical system is capable of actual um
metaphysical Transcendence meaning um so so the and by the way stokeley car also quame T pointed
this out quame T said that when Mark said that religion is the opiate for the masses that was
only he said this that was only accurate for Europe he said that throughout the indigenous
World throughout the African World throughout the Asian world that the the spiritual traditions of
those places were emancipatory Radical tra uh uh traditions and that the struggle against
imperialism and against capitalist exploitation in the non-european world was always a spiritual
struggle not just the material one and that that way of thinking is much closer to my own personal
thinking now again at running for the executive branch my own personal thinking informs the way
that you approach policy but it does not determine it because it's not your personal thinking that you are there to represent you're there to represent the interests of the the people and of
the collective but when asked what my own personal thinking and approach is that is you know in in a
in a five minute sketch the kind of philosophical basis of it do you think Muslims in America could
Can Muslims work independently
organize themselves independently around this philosophy I don't think that it's necessary
that we do so I I think that that part of what the green party is offering is and let's just be be
clear about this and explicit about this um the green party is providing the the material based
the the the the increase in fundraising capacity organizational capacity political prominence that
the green party is experiencing in this electoral cycle which will exceed any electoral achievements
even in the nater era for sure that is all being bullied by the Muslims and with a Muslim as the
VP and a very particular kind of Muslim as the VP like a a Muslim that is steeped in the black
radical tradition and I think that it is partially because I am both very Muslim and very black and
very radical I sorry I said both but I'm all I'm all of those things um that it has helped to
crystallize what is going to happen in this moment in the next moment which is that the Muslims don't
have to create their own we have organizations we have care we have you know and we have
others what we are being essentially get given an opportunity to do is to have Islamic ethics values
and Leadership provide the driving force for the third largest political party in the United
States of America the Muslims are being handed the keys and and and let me just make this clear the
Muslims are also being presented with exactly the same crisis therefore exactly the same opportunity
EXA exactly the same dilemma that the American Jewish Community faced after World War II how
do you respond to a genocide against your people and they they responded in an insular way driven
by ethn religious nationalism to Say Never Again to my people right and they responded with APAC we
do not need a Muslim version of APAC what we need is Muslims providing ethical leadership spiritual
leadership moral Clarity um in a cohesive movement of Anti-Imperialist forces that are actually about
restoring representative government to the people make America work for everyone um and
so the Muslims have this incredible opportunity now right to provide moreal leadership and we are
providing that like we you mentioned the numbers it's not just the plurality it is now a majority
of American Muslims that say that they're going to vote are saying that they're going to vote for the green party and what it means is that this is the First Community in uh in the United States of
America to say no in coin of fact genocide is our red line and everyone that wants to follow us that
build community with us um and and we are going to you know to to bring in those progressives those
radicals but I've made it this explicit we are now in two separate polls we are pulling more Trump
voters than we are uh Harris voters I mean most of our voters are going to be people that wouldn't
have voted at all but we are now pulling more Trump voters than than Harris voters according to to a number of measures and the reason for that is is that all of the issues that the green party is
running on are 7030 or 80 twit 20 issues for the American people so the last part of my answer to
your question is that when I see the future of the green party I do not see a leftist party on this
you know kind of Fringe left what I see is two separate framings if we were to borrow Malcolm's
framing I see liberal extremists on one side and conservative extremists on the other side and I
see a green verdant path right down the middle on 70 30 80 20 issues that are of concern to
all of the American people see the green party as a Centrist movement not in the compromising
way that that term is usually used but if you are responding to to to the the concerns and questions
of 70% of the American population that want to C Spar then you are in the middle now if we wanted
to borrow instead of Malcolm's you know kind of non-denominational you know framing if we wanted to use this left to right Spectrum we're still centrists and and the reason is in that framing
both the Democrats and the Republicans are so far to the right that they're off practically off the
scale entirely I mean just think about the fact that Ronald Reagan in 1982 racist devil that he
was remember he said that a that he he he was caught on tape talking to Richard Nixon about African uh dignitaries that visit visited The Wine House he called them monies and
said that this was the first time they ever wore shoes and Suits but and that blackhearted devil
nonetheless knew to call monam Bean in 1982 and he called what the the Zionist entity was doing
in Lebanon a holocaust explicitly comparing it to the Nazi Holocaust of the Jewish people and
within 24 hours that Holocaust was ended because Reagan didn't just threaten an arms embargo he
threatened to cut off relations that was Ronald Reagan he's a monster that Joe Biden and kamla
Harris 40 years later have let a genocide linger for a full year they are incapable of even that so
that means that Reagan was here and now today's Democrats and Republicans are literally off the
map to the right we're still a Centrist party because the green party is responding to what
every American wants none of them want their tax dollars to use to be used to blow up babies they
all want those tax dollars to be used instead to lower income tax provide affordable housing
Health Care they none of them want corporate uh domination in our politics none of them
want money to determine who wins elections these are all right down the-middle issues and and you
know I've already made this clear that now that I've been tagged into this fight with the green party I'm not coming out of if we don't land that knockout punch I am running immediately for the
nomination in 2028 for for to to run at the top of the presidential uh ticket and running for
governor of the state of California for for in the midterms in November 2026 I am not letting the Muslim Community or this Coalition that we have been able to build I'm not going to let us
stop organizing because I know what is going to happen if we stop organizing fantastic um I have
Voting for Trump
come across Muslims who are with you actually in punishing the Democrats you've made it very clear
that uh voting for the Democrats is untenable it's unacceptable and I completely agree with you what
would you say to those Muslims who are teetering they're thinking about voting for Trump just to
uh solidify that anti-genocide vote because of course when you vote for Trump you've got two votes right you've got you're taken away from the Democrats and you adding to Trump whereas
when you vote for the green party you've basically got one vote because you're taken away normally anyway from the Democrats and you're add in it's the I think it's actually the opposite of the way
that it's normally framed and the reason is is that if you vote for Trump you just get thrown with the racist and the Rednecks to be perfectly honest about it um whereas if you vote for the
green party you can actually begin to develop the institutional strength in the third party
alternative so let's say you're not persuaded by the way that I just laid out the green party platform and its consonant with Islamic values and you still think that a conservative quote
unquote option is the better option for you 70% of American Independents 53% of American
Democrats 40% of American Republicans say that what we need is an independent third
party because teams blue and team uh teams blue and red are so bad at their jobs so the way that
you can actually create change is by investing in the the the the growth of that third party
which is us we are the only third party that is available as an option to voters for 95% of the
voters in the United States of America we're the only one that's actually capable of reaching the
5% threshold in this upcoming election which would guarantee us uh perhaps as much as $60 million um
in order to to to to run the next election in 2028 it would um guarantee us ballot access
across the country not in every state but in the overwhelming majority of states to this point in time almost half of our budget in the first 10 months of running just came to try to secure a
ballot access so it would allow us to clear the Batton access hurdle right from the beginning and here's the best part it would give us a debate I mean IM imagine you know imagine it's 2028
um and they let you know um either Dr Jill Stein or myself um anywhere near that stage and I mean
I'll be blunt about this we don't talk about this a lot it's it's not appropriate to talk about it before the election but Dr Jill came out of retirement to run this cycle we've had these
conversations it's very unlikely that she would run in 2028 unless she's running for reelection
right now that that is a very different Prospect but what that what that means is that that the
and and I've heard this from you know green party you know organizations on the ground that you are
right now talking essentially to the presumptive nominee of the green party for 20128 which means
that they gonna owe me a presidential debate and man they do not want no part of that presidential
debate and and the reason is is that the American people are not fools the American people have been
fooled right they have been conditioned to think that there are only these two choices
when and that's the reason why they've you know attacked Dr Jill tried to smear her that that's why they're now trying to smear me is that there is a marked difference between candidates with
intelligence and integrity like us and corrupt mediocre politicians because let us be clear
Donald Trump is Donald Trump could not pass any class that I have ever taught at any University he
is dumb as a box of sticks okay and that's just obvious JD Vance in uh insanely mediocre as a
human being because privilege protects mediocrity Kam Harris as well what has K Harris ever won
she is a miserable ineffective candidate she's a joke Vatican smoke signals went up anointing her
her she did not win a single nomination for that office so these are fraudulent flawed candidates
and if they had let Dr Jill on a debate stage during this cycle which they were terrified of
she would have been able to say this one here team red is a domestic terrorist and a convicted felon
this one here is a war criminal because the ICC and icj concluded that that the aarid state of
uh I won't even call it Israel Israel is a name of Honor in the Quran the Zionist entity is an
illegal apartheid state conducting a genocide in the midst of an illegal occupation um anybody that
provides material support to such is actually in point in fact a war criminal and they want no part
of us having the the ears of the American people which is why they tried to sue to keep us off the ballot the the crazy part is is because I was in the academic world and had no interest and in the
community teaching world and had no interest in politics they never saw me coming they did not ban Tik Tok fast enough and they did not you know get to my social media account fast enough
because now that I've been tagged into this fight especially in a position where I can represent
the values and aspirations of both the Muslim Community and the the the the community that is
anti-colonial Anti-Imperialist and has longed for you know Liberation for five centuries now
I am not putting down this sword I'm going to keep fighting until we get to Freedom can I turn to um
George Floyd
George Floyd I remember um Yahya senoir in fact he drew a parallel between George Floyd and the
Palestinians I mean did that resonate with you and the in particular the black community there
in the United States 100% um I posted you know um a graphic and I'm forgetting the name of the
incredibly talented artist that did this um but he essentially you know uh uh ju the pose image
of a American police officer in blue with his knee on George Floyd's neck um with an iof um you know
soldier with his knee on a Palestinian neck um and you know we know that it's not just that
the that our you know um police state repressive police forces here in the United States of America
are often trained by the the Israeli occupation forces but it has always in point of fact been so before it was Israel it was South Africa um and that the the the the apar state of South
Africa trained a lot of the police and tested a lot of the weapons that were then used on black communities throughout the the the 80s so there was been there's been a profound resonance um in
that and you've seen black people um not just people of color generally black people at the
Forefront of a lot of these campus protests at the Forefront a lot a lot of this movement there
has been a rift you know essentially because KLA Harris's campaign is attempted to try to
weaponize Black black Ness um in support of a white supremacist genocide um and I've spoken
about the the kind of massive betrayal that is not just of the black radical tradition but of
Blackness itself because African-American identity black identity comes into being in response to
white supremacist domination I mean you got to understand as a historian I've studied this you you're talking about people that spoke of hundreds of different languages coming from you know many
were Muslims many were um there were congales Christians many practitioners of traditional African religions speaking hundreds of different languages on plantations throughout the US South
but also in Northern cities people forget that slavery was widespread throughout the northern colonies until the American Revolutionary War and it died out slowly thereafter all of these
people coming from different backgrounds united only by the slur you know of you know negro negro
you know I won't say the other one you know on on on on this CU I I don't I want you to be able to
to keep up your monetization you know on your YouTube channel because if I say the other one they you know they they they'll cut it right but that's what we were called and never before in
human history had people that came from so many different backgrounds united only by this system
of Oppression made themselves into one people Blackness is in and of itself a miracle and it
is a miracle that was defined in opposition to white supremacy so what could be more perverse
than now having Blackness weaponized in service of white supremacy and and if we have any questions
about Zionism as being white supremacy in its foundation brilliant doctoral dissertation by
MAA alhassan was the one that taught me this is that she she actually went through Malcolm's field notes and and after he had spent time in Palestine hunas and other is he wrote in his
notes he said this is a white Jewish population being empowered by white imperialist authorities
to move Brown Arabs off of their ancestral lands nakum said in in so many words that Zionism is
white supremacy and if you understand Zionism as wank Supremacy then you understand what we
are actually all struggling against my my wife for examples Mexican Amer um the IM immigration
policies of the United States of America are white supremacist uh policies um and her people
um have to fight back against white supremacy as my people have to fight against white supremacy is your people as any apostate as any you know light-skinned quote unquote white apostate from
white supremacy also has to fight back against white supremacy as well when you understand that
our shared enemy is white supremacy imperialism fascism capitalist exploitation then we are so
much more numerous than our opponents are and and I'll end that you know kind of discursus with this
point from Malcolm what did Malcolm say he said two things he said never let your enemy tell you
how many of you there are never let the man you are against form your opinions for you we have
internalized this idea that we are friends that we are weak that we are small no we are not weak
we are not few in number we are definitely not outnumbered we are out organized and my goal is
to do everything that I can to bring this you know power Coalition um into being uh of course Barack
Fascism in US
Obama uh made a comment the other day about Muslim voters and the consequence of voting for Trump or
voting for a third party and enabling Trump to come to office and he painted a picture of a
world which would be far worse uh the Democrats that have banded around the fword a fascist
were describing Donald Trump I mean how would you respond to these claims that U life will become
far more Fierce and difficult for Muslims for black Americans if Donald Trump comes to power I
mean so there's there's two sort of basic you know um uh answers to this the first is to just debunk
the basic premise of the question so the first thing to understand is that the Democrats have
already lost the election and they know that they have already lost the election you're confident about that no they they know that it's happened so they know that we are not taking votes away they
know that unless you elect the green party Trump has already won and the reason is is that when I joined the campaign I immediately got access to a bunch of polling information that I didn't have
access to before and it's clear that that as as early as January of 2024 the Democrats knew that
they were going to lose the election and here's how they knew is that Institute for social policy
and understanding named Dalia mahad presented me with the data as soon as I joined the campaign in August in 2020 Joe Biden in the swing states of Georgia Michigan and Pennsylvania and those three
states by the way demographically with respect to the African-American population Muslim population and so forth are basically the same state they have the same kind of basic demographic makeup
so Joe Biden in those three swing States and he needed every one of them you know to win um
he got 65% of the the Muslim vote he was ping at 12% in the Muslim Community in January 2024 wow
dead man walking and they have known at least since January that they were never going to be
able to reassemble the Coalition that got them the that election and that's why they've been coming
after black voters so aggressively um because they know that they have no hopes of putting
that Coalition back together but they forgot that black Muslims are the largest single ethnic group
in the American Muslim Community so that that that you are never going to get black Muslims
on board with this genocidal uh um you know um campaign so just to be clear the most recent
data from yaken Institute you know shows what what um how much worse things have gotten for
them um this was almost a month ago now where they were showing that 53% of the Muslims they
surveyed were planning on voting third party with over 80% of those coming to us 14 15% for Kamala
4% for Trump so the reality is is that listen Jews don't vote for Nazis and Muslims are not
going to vote for Democrats you don't vote for the people that Holocaust you and so that and
that's the reason why the Democrats have made this last second appeal to try to get Republican voters on board with people like Dick Cheney and L Cheney and so forth because they know
that they have no hopes of any kind of winning this election with the Electoral constituency
that they have before they're dead um so the first part of the answer to your question is
you can sleep comfortably at night knowing that they caused their own demise and you did not
you should vote your conscience vote for where you want your name on the L because understand
that if you choose to write your name next to the party that genocided your people you have
in Essence signed your name next to Pharaoh well what happened to the people of pharaoh the people
that stood next to him were washed away with the flood but Pharaoh was a hereditary Monarch the
people did not elect him and yet just by standing next to him they were destroyed what will be the
Fate on the day of Judgment of a people who enter into a Ballot Box and positively affirm that they
choose the people that slaughtered bear brothers and sisters in the third holiest place on the
planet for Muslims it is a catastrophic decision from a religious standpoint every single human
being that has been maned or lost their life unjustly in that war now has a potential claim
against you on the day of judgment because you have participated in whatever crime was
committed against them because you have positively endorsed and affirmed it and you've said more
please now with respect to the Spectre of so-called fascism and Trump fascism is already
here these are democratic Governors Democratic Mayors Democratic cities that have been building
these cop cities and sending Riot troops in the hundreds to suppress your constitutionally
protected rights of speech and assembly fascism is here and it is better for these people to
have a red fascist than a blue fascist because at least when there's a red fascist the Liberals are
afraid when there's a blue fascist the Liberals will cut your throat and tell you it's for your
best because those other guys are dangerous it is a kind of collective Madness if we want to
make it quranic cuz we're on the thinking Muslim how did F keep the people under control he had
magicians that had them Spellbound well who are The Magicians that have the people Spellbound
AB accepting these absurd arguments they are the media companies MSNBC running cover and carrying
water for team Blue Fox News running cover and carrying water for team red CNN running
cover and carrying water for the 1% as a whole and they tell you over and over again that the
despite the fact that all the American people say that we need a new third party you can't vote for
them they might not win it's a kind of collective Insanity because we've been propagandized over
and over and over again to just accept these two corporate murderous parties as the only
option that we have the reality is is that they're both the same party they're just they're purple
fascist they're a mix of blue and red they they have 99% the same name donors APAC and the war
machine there is a 1% marginal difference between the the Christian Evangelical nationalists which
support team red only and lgbtq U extremists that want to indoctrinate everyone with their
own philosophical um uh Moray as the the the supporting the other parts so there is this
Skirmish between these two identity camps Each of which is trying to propagandize the other
no you have to accept a Christian definition that life begins at conception which by the way
no muslim jurist ever believed no mus it kills me when Muslims get Tethered to these uh right-wing
Christian talking points about life beginning at conception when every single Muslim jurist that
I've ever read said that the insulants of a human being takes place after 120 days and that the the
the jurist used to say about this question of abortion which was known that uprooting a dates
a seed is not the same as uprooting a date palm I've got one final question for you um uh Dr we
and that's really about the American Empire I mean today we've spoken a lot about dismantling the American Empire dismantling this Imperium and of course um Muslims around the world have have
Dismantling Empire
feared very badly uh with this Empire and its its propensity to deep militancy to violence um we saw
over a million dying in Iraq and War on Terror and we we're seeing that continuing in in Gaza
and in Palestine and if this is all connected to the American Empire are we ever going to see the end of this Empire like will we see the end of this Empire In Our Lifetime like how how
realistic is it to to dismantle this Imperium so so across all of our Fai and philosophies
as human beings there is one universal truth that unites them all all Empires fall all Empires fall
right go to the end of Sur and God asked this you know question of qu have you not wandered in the earth and seen the ruins of those who were more more exalted in power and wealth than
you were do you see any sight of them now or hear so much as a peep from them it's a Stern warning
and that is also true across secular philosophies no Imperial power can with uh can uh retain that
power where are the Builders of the pyramids now where are the Builders of the Roman Coliseum now
so the the problem that we as you know Muslims and we as formerly colonized people have is that we
have internalized the chains of our oppressors we struggle as though defeating the the Empire
is impossible whereas in point of fact the fall of the Empire is inevitable inevitable the most
important question is what will replace this Fallen Empire and that's why I'm always focused
on those social policies and leading with our ethics and our values rather than Vengeance and
retribution because I'm thinking about the kind of society that we want to live in post American
Empire in the world of language they say the child of Adam not release what their hand is holding
until they're reaching for something better right we have to be reaching for society that's better
than this Imperium because this Imperium is in point of fact doomed it is not uh impossible
it is inevitable so the then the question then becomes well then how do you usher in this new
age what what do you do well Dr Jill Stein has already talked about this there are 800 military
installations of the US Empire throughout the globe 700 of them serve no tactical or strategic
function they are just you know artifacts of Empire that continue to antagonize the world
with the marks of American imperialism right she said that within the first year you can get 700 of those out that leaves a hundred that have strategic importance and you make the world safe
um you know from us and for us um you know by by by phased negotiated withdrawals from those
places to create a multi-polar world the truth is is that I think part of the reason why we're
drawing more Republican voters than Democrat voters and according to some uh polling now is
that the so-called conservatives already perceive the futility of you know wasting money and you
know American lives trying to fight fruitless Wars in foreign countries as they would frame it around
the the the the world um that those get Americans killed and they don't do anything except make the
shareholders at halberton or Ron or Lockheed Martin or Boeing or General Dynamics richer um
so the the the end of this Empire is is within sight and the last thing that I'll just say
about this as as a historian right why has the Middle East you know and the broad Middle East
you know stretching from West Africa through North Africa into East Africa the lands of the Muslims let's just be blunt about this lands of of Muslim majorities from the time that Columbus first set
sail people forget that Columbus's first Journeys were off the West African Coast before he sailed
um West to go East they were trying to find a way around the Muslims so that they could control what
had always been the most lucrative sources of Commerce in human history those they connected
the Muslim world and for 500 years a white supremacist imperialist capitalist system has
kept Muslims and the globe under its subjugation first dominated by the Spanish then the Portuguese
then the Dutch then the French then the British and then after World War II by the United States
of America five centuries of white supremacist global domination that era is over it is finished
a new day is Dawning and America will either be um an irrelevant I hate to say this um you know
former you know uh uh Empire you know still drunk on its past Glory the way that Britain
is I mean I I I saw an epic take down you know of of of you know Britain by by Chinese Diplomat he
was like why would we think of them as equals like like what why who wait are you're talking
about the United king United Kingdom like who are they like have them talk to my door man
is basically the way that that that that China did and that is what is coming for the United States of America unless its leadership Embraces the idea that it still has if not the first then
at least the second you know largest and most powerful economy still has this incredible you
know military capacity that could be used to keep the World safe and secure as it withdraws from
its previous imper those are tactical chips that you can use to keep people safe from the other
Mad Men in the world right because we do have other people with you know crazy imperialist
aspirations you know through throughout the globe the United States of America just by withdrawing
from its Imperial fantasies and instead using its resources to actually meet the needs of its people
could provide a model for all of humanity and with me in the white house either as vice president or
eventually as president and preferably both you have my word that if they put the sun in my right
hand and the Moon in my left I would not desist from my lifelong mission of trying to live true
to the values of this religion and true to the values of the black liberatory and emancipatory
tradition which has brought so much to the Muslims who have always you know looked up to Muhammad Ali
who have always looked up to Malcolm X and to be frank about this the Muslim immigrant community in
the United States of America is largely present because of the 1965 Immigration Act which was
born through the Civil Right struggles of black people this is a way for our community to become
whole to get free and to help set Humanity free so if your people did not know who I was before
this interview um they need to start reading up because that's what I'm going to be on for these next you know few years and make you know God protect us all from you know from from the
enemies that seek to keep that from happening and may God give us Swift Liberation in our lifetime
not waiting to pass this on to our children five centuries of white supremacist Empire is enough
Professor but where it's really been a pleasure speaking to and I think I I speak for much of my audience um we've never really come across uh your writing and your um uh your videos before
but I think um alhamdulillah I think we'll be following much more of what you have to say in in the months and years ahead inshah thank you so much for the opportunity to to talk to the people
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