Raskin: ‘You just have to know how to read’ to know Trump is blowing past the U.S. Constitution
by Jen Psaki and Jamie Raskin
Inside with Jen Psaki
MSNBC
Mar 23, 2025 #jamieraskin #trump #constitution
Congressman Jamie Raskin reacts to the Trump administration's increasingly aggressive rhetoric targeting courts.
Transcript
>> OKAY, SO RIGHT NOW, JUST TO
SUM IT.
>> UP, I.
>> KNOW YOU ALL HAVE BEEN PAYING
VERY CLOSE.
>> ATTENTION. BUT DONALD TRUMP
IS IGNORING
>> COURT ORDERS.
>> HE'S ATTACKING EVERY ASPECT
OF THE LEGAL
>> SYSTEM, INCLUDING LAW FIRMS.
AND HIS
THREATS AGAINST JUDGES CONTINUE
TO RISE. AND I
>> JUST WANT TO
>> START BY STATING, PERHAPS,
WHAT SOUNDS EXTREMELY OBVIOUS
HERE. THIS IS NOT NORMAL.
>> AND I MEAN BY
>> HISTORICAL STANDARDS, TOO. I
MEAN,
>> IGNORING A JUDGE'S ORDER IS
NOT AT
>> ALL NORMAL.
>> INSULTING AND ATTACKING A
JUDGE ON SOCIAL
>> MEDIA, OR
>> WHATEVER FORM OF
COMMUNICATIONS THERE MAY HAVE
BEEN AT MOST POINTS IN HISTORY,
IS NOT NORMAL. AND CALLING FOR A
JUDGE'S IMPEACHMENT SIMPLY
BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T LIKE THEIR
RULING IS DEFINITELY NOT NORMAL.
I MEAN, LOOK, LOTS OF PRESIDENTS
HAVE BEEN MAD AT LOTS OF JUDGES
IN THE PAST, THROUGHOUT HISTORY
I MEAN.
>> THROUGHOUT HISTORY, BOTH
PRESIDENTS OF BOTH PARTIES HAVE
HAD COURTS RULE
>> AGAINST THEM, BUT NONE OF
THEM ACTED
>> LIKE DONALD TRUMP.
>> LET'S GO BACK TO 1952.
PRESIDENT TRUMAN SEIZED CONTROL
OF STEEL MILLS TO
>> MAKE SURE
>> THERE WAS CONTINUED
PRODUCTION DURING THE KOREAN
WAR.
>> THE SUPREME COURT SAID HE
ACTED
>> UNCONSTITUTIONALLY, WHICH
WOULD MAKE ANY PRESIDENT MAD,
RIGHT? EVEN IRATE. BUT DID
TRUMAN IGNORE THEM? DID HE CALL
FOR THE JUSTICES TO BE
IMPEACHED? OF COURSE NOT. HE
IMMEDIATELY ORDERED THE RETURN
OF THE STEEL MILLS
>> TO THEIR
>> OWNERS, EVEN THOUGH THEIR
WORKERS IMMEDIATELY WENT ON
STRIKE.
THAT TAKES US TO 1974.
THE SUPREME COURT DEALT A HUGE
BLOW, OF COURSE, TO PRESIDENT
NIXON, ORDERING HIM TO HAND
>> OVER THE WATERGATE TAPES. AND
NIXON
>> COMPLIED, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS
THE NAIL IN
>> THE COFFIN FOR HIS ENTIRE
PRESIDENCY.
>> AND I'M NOT EXCUSING ANYTHING
HE
>> DID HERE.
>> OBVIOUSLY, I'M MAKING A
DIFFERENT POINT. BUT HE DIDN'T
CALL FOR THE JUSTICES TO STEP
DOWN. HE ACTUALLY STEPPED DOWN
HIMSELF. HE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A
CHOICE, RESIGNING FROM OFFICE
ONLY TWO WEEKS LATER.
THEN THERE WAS THE TIME IN 2006,
THE SUPREME COURT
>> RULED THAT
>> PRESIDENT GEORGE W BUSH
OVERSTEPPED HIS AUTHORITY IN
ORDERING WAR CRIME TRIALS FOR
DETAINEES AT GUANTANAMO BAY.
>> YES, TRUE.
>> BUT LISTEN TO HOW BUSH
RESPONDED TO THAT RULING AT A
PRESS CONFERENCE THAT VERY SAME
DAY.
>> "I HAVEN'T.
>> HAD A CHANCE TO FULLY REVIEW
>> THE FINDINGS
>> OF THE
>> SUPREME COURT.
>> I WANT
>> TO ASSURE YOU THAT WE TAKE
>> THEM VERY SERIOUSLY.
>> I WILL
>> PROTECT THE PEOPLE,
>> AND AT
>> THE SAME
>> TIME, CONFORM WITH THE
FINDINGS OF THE SUPREME COURT."
>> LOOK, I'M NOT EXCUSING ANYTHING
THAT LED TO THAT RULING. BUT THE
POINT HERE IS HE SAID,
>> "I WILL CONFORM WITH THE
FINDINGS OF THE COURT." I HAVEN'T
HEARD A WHOLE LOT OF THAT
LATELY, HAVE WE?
IN 2016, THE SUPREME
>> COURT BLOCKED PRESIDENT
OBAMA'S IMMIGRATION PLAN THAT
WOULD HAVE SHIELDED AS MANY AS
5 MILLION PARENTS FROM BEING
DEPORTED, AND IT WOULD HAVE ALSO
HELPED THEM FIND LEGAL WORK IN
THE UNITED STATES. HE WAS
FRUSTRATED ,AND HE WAS UPSET,
BELIEVE ME, BUT HE ABIDED BY THE
RULING.
THEN THERE WAS THE TIME
IN 2022, WHEN THE SUPREME COURT
BLOCKED THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION
FROM ENFORCING ITS VACCINE OR
TESTING REQUIREMENTS FOR LARGE
PRIVATE COMPANIES. THIS WAS KIND
OF THE PART OF THE HEIGHT OF
COVID, OF COURSE. BIDEN DIDN'T
AGREE WITH IT, BELIEVE ME, HE
DIDN'T AGREE WITH IT, BUT HERE'S
WHAT HE SAID IN RESPONSE.
"THE COURT HAS RULED THAT MY
ADMINISTRATION CANNOT USE THE
AUTHORITY GRANTED TO IT BY
CONGRESS TO REQUIRE THIS
MEASURE, BUT THAT DOES NOT STOP
ME FROM USING MY VOICE AS
PRESIDENT."
LOOK, THE POINT HERE
IS THERE HAVE BEEN MOMENTS IN JUST
ABOUT EVERY PRESIDENCY --
REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTS,
DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTS -- WHEN A
COURT RULED AGAINST THE GUY
SITTING IN THE OVAL OFFICE.
NONE OF THESE PRESIDENTS LIKED
THE OUTCOME, BUT THEY ABIDED BY
THE COURT'S DECISION. AND RIGHT
NOW DONALD TRUMP IS DOING THE
OPPOSITE. BY ANY STANDARD, IT
CERTAINLY APPEARS THAT HE AND
HIS ADMINISTRATION DELIBERATELY
VIOLATED A COURT ORDER WHEN THEY
FLEW HUNDREDS OF VENEZUELAN
IMMIGRANTS TO EL SALVADOR TO BE
IMPRISONED WITHOUT ANY DUE
PROCESS. THAT'S WHAT
DIFFERENTIATES US AS A COUNTRY,
BY THE WAY. AND NOW THEY'RE
STONEWALLING THE JUDGE WHO'S
TRYING TO FIND OUT IF HIS ORDER
WAS WILLFULLY IGNORED.
ON THURSDAY, THE JUDGE ACCUSED THE
GOVERNMENT OF "EVADING
ITS OBLIGATIONS," SAYING THEIR
RESPONSE HAD BEEN "WOEFULLY
INSUFFICIENT." AND DURING A
HEARING ON FRIDAY, HE PUT IT
LIKE THIS, "THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT
BEING TERRIBLY COOPERATIVE AT
THIS POINT." NO KIDDING. AND HE
ALSO VOWED TO GET TO THE BOTTOM
OF WHETHER THEY VIOLATED HIS
ORDER, AND WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE.
THIS ISN'T JUST A SQUABBLE WITH
THE JUDGE. THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION IS CLAIMING OUT
LOUD, BY THE WAY, THAT THEY'RE
WILLING TO DEFY A CO-EQUAL
BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT.
>> "WE'RE NOT STOPPING. I DON'T
>> CARE WHAT THE JUDGES THINK. I
DON'T CARE
>> WHAT THE LEFT THINKS. WE'RE
COMING.
>> THIS JUDGE HAS NO RIGHT
>> TO ASK
>> THOSE QUESTIONS.
>> YOU HAVE ONE
>> UNELECTED FEDERAL JUDGE
TRYING TO CONTROL FOREIGN
POLICIES, TRYING TO CONTROL THE
ALIEN ENEMIES
>> ACT, WHICH THEY HAVE NO
BUSINESS PRESIDING OVER. THE
JUDGE HAD NO BUSINES,
>> NO POWER
>> TO DO WHAT HE DID.
>> THIS JUDGE.
>> HAD NO RIGHT TO DO THAT."
>> OF COURSE, THE JUDGE
>> HAD EVERY RIGHT
>> TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS HE
WANTED. BY THE WAY, THAT'S HOW
THE SYSTEM WORKS. THIS IS THE
SOUND THAT WE JUST HEARD: ONE
BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT BASICALLY
GIVING THE MIDDLE FINGER TO
ANOTHER BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HEARING. TRUMP
AND HIS ADMINISTRATION ARE
TRYING TO OVERTAKE THE COURTS.
THEY'RE TRYING TO BECOME THE
ARBITERS OF THE LAW SO THEY
DON'T HAVE TO ABIDE BY IT.
THEY'RE TRYING TO UPEND THE
SEPARATION OF POWERS THAT HAVE
BEEN SEPARATE FOR HUNDREDS OF
YEARS FOR A REASON. AND THIS
ISN'T ONE OF THOSE TIMES WHEN
BUCKING TRADITION AND BREAKING
NORMS IS A GOOD THING -- SOMETIMES
IT IS -- BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY
DANGEROUS. THREATS AGAINST
JUDGES ARE ON THE RISE IN THE
FORM OF, THIS IS HOW IT WAS
DESCRIBED IN THE NEW YORK TIMES,
"BOMB THREATS, ANONYMOUS CALLS TO
DISPATCH POLICE, SWAT TEAMS TO
HOME ADDRESSES, EVEN THE
DELIVERY OF PIZZAS, WHICH IS A
SEEMINGLY INNOCUOUS PRANK, BUT
ONE THAT CARRIES A PRETTY CLEAR
MESSAGE. "THEY KNOW WHERE YOU AND
YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS LIVE."
AND THE ADMINISTRATION HAS NOW
TURNED TO TARGETING TOURISTS, AND
LEGAL IMMIGRANTS, WHO HAVE
EXPRESSED VIEWS THAT THE
GOVERNMENT BELIEVES TO THREATEN
NATIONAL SECURITY AND UNDERMINE
FOREIGN POLICY. THAT'S THEIR
ARGUMENT. THAT'S THE KIND OF
THING THAT WILL KEEP HAPPENING
AS TRUMP TRIES TO WIPE A BRANCH
OF GOVERNMENT THAT IS THE LAST
LINE OF DEFENSE.
SO WE CAN SEE THERE'S A PROBLEM HERE, TO STATE
THE OBVIOUS, AND WE'RE FACED
WITH SOME TOUGH QUESTIONS. I
MEAN, WHAT IS THE SOLUTION, AND
WHAT IS OUR SYSTEM ABLE TO DO?
AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE TRICKY
QUESTIONS TO ANSWER BECAUSE
HISTORY, AS I'VE NOTED HERE,
DOESN'T EXACTLY SERVE AS A
GUIDE.
JOINING ME NOW IS
CONGRESSMAN JAMIE RASKIN OF
MARYLAND. HE'S THE TOP DEMOCRAT
ON THE HOUSE JUDICIARY
COMMITTEE. HE IS THE PERFECT
PERSON TO TALK TO ABOUT
HISTORICAL PRECEDENT. SO
LET ME JUST START WITH KIND OF
WHERE I ENDED THERE. I MEAN, YOU
SAID THERE'S AN ATTACK ON THE
CONSTITUTION THAT FEELS VERY
CLEAR HERE. I THINK A QUESTION A
LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE IS WHAT CAN
BE DONE TO STOP IT?
[JAMIE RASKIN] WE GOT 125 CASES THAT HAVE
BEEN FILED ACROSS THE COUNTRY,
AND 50 FEDERAL COURTS HAVE
ALREADY ENTERED
>> TEMPORARY RESTRAINING
>> ORDERS OR
>> PRELIMINARY INJUNCTIONS
>> AGAINST TRUMP. SO LET'S START
WITH THE POSITIVE NEWS THAT THE
COURTS ARE WORKING.
>> THEY'RE DOING THEIR JOB.
>> THAT'S WHY THEY'RE TALKING
>> ABOUT IMPEACHING
>> ALL THESE
>> FEDERAL JUDGES.
>> THAT'S WHY THEY'RE ATTACKING
JUDGE BOASBERG FOR INSISTING
>> ON ANSWERS.
>> BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DISOBEY AN
ORDER OF A FEDERAL COURT.
>> AS CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS
EMPHASIZED,
>> THIS WEEK,
>> THE PROPER RESPONSE
>> TO DISAGREEMENT
>> WITH THE SUBSTANCE
>> OF A
>> JUDICIAL OPINION,
>> IS TO
>> APPEAL THE OPINION.
>> NOT TO TRY TO IMPEACH THE
JUDGE. AND CERTAINLY NOT FOR PEOPLE
TO GO OUT AND VISIT THREATS UPON
THE JUDGE AND THE JUDGE'S
FAMILY. AND SO WE'VE GOT TO PLAY
THESE CASES OUT IN COURT.
>> THE TRUMP. ADMINISTRATION
HAS JUST THROWN.
>> CAUTION TO THE WINDS.
>> I MEAN, THE
>> THE GREAT EXAMPLE OF THIS, OF
COURSE, IS THE BIRTHRIGHT
CITIZENSHIP EXECUTIVE ORDER. THE
FIRST SENTENCE OF
>> THE 14TH AMENDMENT
>> SAYS, "ALL PERSONS BORN OR
NATURALIZED IN THE UNITED STATES
AND SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION
THEREOF, ARE CITIZENS OF THE
UNITED STATES." IT IS JUST AS
PLAIN AS DAY. AND WE HAVE OBAMA
JUDGES, BIDEN JUDGES, REAGAN
JUDGES, TRUMP JUDGES, ALL
>> STRIKING DOWN
>> WHAT TRUMP DID.
>> IN FACT, THE
>> REAGAN JUDGE SAID IT WAS THE
EASIEST CASE HE'D EVER DECIDED
IN HIS LIFE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO
BE A LAWYER TO KNOW WHAT'S WRONG
WITH IT. YOU JUST
>> HAVE TO KNOW
>> HOW TO READ. AND IN CASE
AFTER CASE, THEY SAY YOU HAVE
JUST TOTALLY BLOWN PAST
>> THE CONSTITUTION.
>> SO WE'VE GOT TO STAND UP
FOR
>> THE INDEPENDENCE
>> OF THE JUDICIARY.
>> AND WE SEE THIS HAPPENING
>> ALL OVER THE WORLD.
WHEN COURTS BLOCK AN AUTOCRATIC
EXECUTIVE ,OR SOMEONE WITH
DICTATORIAL AMBITIONS,
>> THEY BEGIN TO ATTACK THE
JUDGES, THEY ATTACK THE LAWYERS,
THEY ATTACK THE LAW FIRMS.
THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING IN
AMERICA RIGHT NOW. AND SO THE WHOLE COUNTRY HAS GOT TO STAND UP FOR THE INDEPENDENCE OF THE JUDICIARY AND FOR THE RULE OF LAW.