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Press Sec. LOSES IT When Reporter Won't Back Down!
by John Iadarola
The Damage Report
Jul 11, 2025 #TheDamageReport #JohnIadarola #TheYoungTurks

MAGA is reeling after Attorney General Pam Bondi backtracked on her previous statements about a certain "client list". The Damage Report's John Iadarola breaks it down.



Transcript

Donald Trump is falling apart as reporters, and even many of his own supporters, are refusing to stop asking questions about his connections to Jeffrey Epstein. The DOJ and FBI have now concluded there was no Jeffrey Epstein client list. What do you tell MAGA supporters who say they want anyone involved in Jeffrey Epstein's alleged crimes to be held accountable?

[Karoline Leavitt] This administration wants anyone who has ever committed a crime to be held accountable. And I would argue this administration has done more to lock up bad guys than certainly the previous administration. And the Trump administration is committed to truth, and to transparency. That's why the attorney general, and the FBI director pledged, at the president's direction, to do an exhaustive review of all of the files related to Jeffrey Epstein's crimes and his death. And they put out a memo in conclusion of that review.

Marjorie Taylor Greene holds up censored photo of Hunter Biden and a prostitute. Foxnews.com

There was material they did not release because frankly it was incredibly graphic and it contained child pornography, which is not something that's appropriate for public consumption. But they committed to an exhaustive investigation. That's what they did, and they provided the results of that. That's transparency.

[Fox Reporter] Okay. So, the FBI looks at the circumstances surrounding the death of Jeffrey Epstein. According to the report, this systematic review revealed no incriminating client list. So, what happened to the Epstein client list that the attorney general said she had on her desk?

[Karoline Leavitt] Well, I think if you go back and look at what the attorney general said in that interview, which was on your network on Fox News ...

[Fox Reporter] I have the quote. John Roberts said, "DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients. Will that really happen?" And she said, "It's sitting on my desk right now to review."

[Karoline Leavitt] Yes. She was saying the entirety of all of the paperwork, all of the paper in relation to Jeffrey Epstein's crimes. That's what the attorney general was referring to, and I'll let her speak for that. But again, when it comes to the FBI and the Department of Justice, they are more than committed to ensuring that bad people are put behind bars. They have an operation going on right now called Summer Heat, which has our murder rate trending in the lowest direction in United States history. Their emphasis on violent crime and locking up violent criminals has led to the arrest of 14,000 violent criminals. That's a 62% increase from the same time period last year. So, this attorney general and the FBI director are committed to putting bad people behind bars where they belong. They promised an exhaustive review. That's what they did.

[Donald Trump] Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? This guy's been talked about for years. You're asking -- we have Texas, we have this, we have all of the things. And are people still talking about this guy, this creep? That is unbelievable. Do you want to waste the time on it? Do you feel like answering?

[Pam Bondi] I don't mind answering.

[Donald Trump] I mean, I can't believe you're asking a question on Epstein. At a time like this, where we're having some of the greatest success, and also tragedy, with what happened in Texas. It just seems like a desecration. But you go ahead.

[Pam Bondi] Sure. Sure. First, to back up on that, in February I did an interview on Fox and it's been getting a lot of attention, because I said I was asked a question about the client list, and my response was, it's sitting on my desk to be reviewed, meaning the file, along with the JFK, MLK files as well. That's what I meant by that. Also to the tens of thousands of video, they turned out to be child porn downloaded by that disgusting Jeffrey Epstein. Child porn is what they were. Never going to be released, never going to see the light of day. To him being an agent, I have no knowledge about that. We can get back to you on that. And the minute missing from the video. We released the video showing definitively -- the video was not conclusive, but the evidence prior to it was showing he committed suicide. And what was on that, there was a minute that was off the counter. And what we learned from Bureau of Prisons was every year, every night, they redo that video. It's old, from like 1999. So every night the video is reset, and every night should have the same minute missing. So we're looking for that video to release that as well, showing that a minute is missing every night. And that's it on Epstein.

[Don, Jr.] I'm fine with all the other lists, and as long as I'm not on the Epstein list, we're good, right? Speaking of which, how is it that my father can be convicted of 34 crimes, but no one on Epstein's list has even been brought to light? How, I'm trying to figure out how that's possible, right? But it's almost like they're trying to protect those pedophiles for some reason. I can't imagine why.

[Fox Reporter] The DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients. Will that really happen?

[Pam Bondi] It's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's been a directive by President Trump. I'm reviewing that. I'm reviewing JFK files, MLK files. That's all in the process of being reviewed, because that was done at the directive of the president, from all of these agencies.



[Fox Reporter] So have you seen anything that you said, "Oh my gosh"?

[Pam Bondi] Not yet."



[Fox Reporter] Okay. Well, we'll check back with you.

[Steve Bannon] This is supposed to be about the most transparent administration ever.

[MAGA WORLD reporter] What on earth is going on? Was Pam Bondi set up by deep state FBI career officials? Is she stupid? Is she so click-thirsty that she got out over her skis trying to make news, being a Fox News star?

[Alex Jones] Pam Bondi, all of it. All those videos are saying, "Yeah, she's seen the videos. It's all coming out." And then now, it doesn't exist? I mean, what? What?

[Dan Bongino] The Jeffrey Epstein case, you do not know all the details of this thing, I promise. There are a lot of really obviously powerful people. This part, you know, but the specific names we may not.

[Alina Habba] There were so many individuals that were hidden and kept secret, and have not been held accountable.

[Pam Bondi] What you're going to see, hopefully tomorrow, is a lot of flight logs, a lot, a lot, of names, a lot, a lot of information.

[Fox Reporter] The DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients. Will that really happen?

[Pam Bondi] It's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's been a directive by President Trump.

[Dan Bongino] I'm just telling you what we see in the file. I am, I just want to be crystal clear on this. I am not asking anyone to believe me. I'm telling you what's there, and what isn't. Right? There is nothing in the file at this point on the Epstein case. And there's going to be a disclosure on this coming shortly. We are working through some, there is video. That is something the public --

[Reporter] There's video of him killing himself?

[Dan Bongino] No, no, not the actual act, but the entire MCC bay. It was only one camera. There's video, that when you look at the video, and we will release -- that's what's taken a while on this -- we are working on cleaning it up to make sure you have an enhanced -- and we're going to give the original so you don't think there were any shenanigans -- you're going to see there's no one there but him. There's just nobody there. So, I say to people all the time, if you have a tip, let us know. But there's no DNA, there's no audio, there's no fingerprints, there's no suspects, there's no accomplices, there's no tips, there is nothing. If you have it, I'm happy to see it. There's video clear as day. He's the only person in there, and the only person coming out. You can see it.

"Absence of Evidence Is Not Evidence of Absence" – A Shared Caution Among Thinkers
by chatgpt
7/12/25

The phrase "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" is widely associated with the late astronomer Carl Sagan, who invoked it in discussions about scientific skepticism, especially regarding extraterrestrial life. Sagan used it to remind audiences that just because we haven't found evidence of alien life doesn’t mean it doesn't exist. In The Demon-Haunted World (1995), he emphasized, "Your inability to invalidate my hypothesis is not at all the same thing as proving it true." Though not a direct citation of the phrase, it echoes its caution against assuming nonexistence without adequate investigation.

Another prominent male figure who employed this phrase is Donald Rumsfeld, former U.S. Secretary of Defense. During a 2002 Department of Defense briefing, he stated, "The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, or vice versa," when discussing weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. His use of the phrase sparked controversy, as critics argued it was used to justify action without solid proof, highlighting the phrase’s susceptibility to political manipulation.

Among women, physicist and science communicator Dr. Lisa Randall has echoed similar sentiments in her work on dark matter and extra dimensions. In interviews and writings, she stresses that the current lack of direct detection of dark matter doesn’t invalidate its existence. While she may not quote the phrase verbatim, her arguments align with its epistemological caution.

Likewise, philosopher of science Dr. Susan Haack has addressed the principle in her writings on evidence and inquiry. In Manifesto of a Passionate Moderate (1998), she explores how negative results must be contextualized, warning against the fallacy of assuming that no evidence implies nonexistence—a nuanced reinforcement of the quote's meaning.

Together, these thinkers—Sagan, Rumsfeld, Randall, and Haack—demonstrate how the phrase transcends disciplines, reminding us that absence of evidence is a weak foundation for firm conclusions.

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In criminal trials, defense lawyers sometimes invoke the idea that *“absence of evidence is not evidence of absence”*—a maxim popularized by figures like Sagan and Rumsfeld—to argue that a lack of proof should create reasonable doubt. Let’s explore confirmed uses:

Usage in Criminal Defense Strategy

1. Clayton T. Robertson (Criminal Defense Lawyer)

Robertson, in a blog post about cross-examination, describes the tactic of identifying “negative cues”—raising doubt by pointing out what prosecution witnesses and experts *didn't* observe or testify about. He emphasizes that this method is used in *criminal defense cross-examination of officers and experts* ([evidenceattrial.com][1], [RobertsonLitigation][2]).

Legal Doctrine: “Missing Witness” & No‑Evidence Arguments

2. Missing-Witness Instruction in U.S. Courts

While not quoting the phrase directly, defense attorneys have sought—and courts have often rejected—jury instructions that allow drawing negative inferences from *relevant* witnesses not called by the defense. For example, **Griffin v. California** and related case law prevent prosecutors from arguing that a defendant's silence indicates guilt, but some defense lawyers push back, citing the defendant’s silence as rational explanation .

3. People v. Montgomery / People v. Green (California)

Courts discussed that a defendant’s *failure* to flee doesn't strongly support innocence—an early recognition that negative evidence can be ambiguous. This principle has influenced trial tactics, as defense counsel sometimes urge jurors not to assume guilt or innocence based on what wasn't shown .

Criminal Cases Applying the Principle

While explicit quoting in published opinions is rare, defense attorneys often indirectly rely on it:

Cross-examination tactics: Lawyers challenge prosecution experts by highlighting missing data—e.g. “You didn’t test this sample,” or “You didn’t ask about that in your report.”

Closing arguments: They remind jurors that a complete lack of evidence—say, a forensic test that wasn’t performed—does not resolve reasonable doubt in the prosecution’s favor.

Conclusion

Yes, criminal defense lawyers have used this argument, though typically they frame it strategically rather than quoting Sagan. Clayton Robertson acknowledged its use in cross-examining experts ([RobertsonLitigation][2], [Reddit][3]). Court rulings on missing-witness instructions and the weight of negative evidence show awareness of the concept, even as they impose limits on drawing adverse inferences ([law.justia.com][4]).

So while no blockbuster criminal case quote may echo Sagan verbatim, the epistemological principle is deeply woven into defense strategy and legal doctrine.

[1]: https://www.evidenceattrial.com/blog/dz ... hatgpt.com "D.Z. v. LAUSD: \"There is Zero Evidence (Becuase I Moved" [2]: https://www.robertsonlitigation.com/pos ... hatgpt.com "The Absence of Evidence Is Evidence" [3]: https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurdere ... hatgpt.com "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence ... Unless of course someone wants to argue Bobby or the police were involved in criminal acts, then that logic goes up in smoke." [4]: https://law.justia.com/cases/maryland/c ... hatgpt.com "Harris v. State :: 2018 :: Maryland Supreme Court Decisions :: Maryland Case Law :: Maryland Law :: U.S. Law :: Justia"

[John Iadarola] The fallout from this absolute PR disaster has been amazing to watch. Seeing all of his sycophants realizing in real time that there's a reason that Trump doesn't want the truth to come out. We all remember the little black book that Gawker published way back in 2015, right? As the walls close in, his enablers are finally being forced to reckon with what they've defended all these years. The spectacle isn't just about one man's corruption. It's a reminder of how easily power can warp reality itself when enough people are willing to look the other way. For many of his supporters, this is another chance to practice their unique brand of mental gymnastics. But for some, this could be the start of a realization that Trump isn't interested in justice or protecting children. He's interested in protecting himself and his wealthy friends. Here's hoping, anyway. [Music]

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TOTAL CHAOS is UNLEASHED as Trump SNATCHES UP citizens
by Ben Meiselas and Hary Litman
MeidasTouch
Jul 13, 2025 Harry Litman

MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on Donald Trump unleashing chaos in the streets of America as not even US citizens are safe as all laws are being violated by Trump and his goons and Meiselas speaks with Talking Feds host Harry Litman about his viewed on all of this.



Transcript

So, it's total chaos in California right
now as Donald Trump has sent ICE dressed
in military gear with military equipment
and tanks to do these raids of farmers.
We were talking about blueberry farmers
and cannabis farmers. We see these
militarized helicopters landing in the
farms and people who are there working,
running away as like ICE agents are
chasing them and shooting non-lethal
weapons at him. But non-lethal is a term
of art. It could actually kill um we
know that there's been at least one
death of a farm worker from some of
these raids. And so everywhere from
Santa Barbara County to Ventura County
to Fresno County and in Riverside
County, of course in Los Angeles County
and and really throughout California.
But it's just a very sick thing that you
have this regime, this dictatorship.
California is the fourth largest GDP.
Uh, if it was a country, it's a state,
but if it was a country, fourth largest
GDP in the world, and like Trump's
attacking it like like you would invade
like a country. I mean, I I live in
California and it's a strange thing. You
know, it's it's like martial law without
saying martial law with all these
militarized people um out here. You
know, one of the people who were
arrested um recently was a disabled
veteran, United States citizen. His
family can't get in touch with him right
now. who was apparently just profiled.
He worked as a security guard at this
company called the Glass House, which
has the location in Camaro. It has a
location in Santa Barbara County as well
uh for cannabis growing licensed. They
do it lawfully run by actually I think a
guy who's a Trump supporter who who was
funding the recalls against Newsome
also. uh but a a businessman who went to
USC um who supported lots of Republicans
and they're going after they're going
after him and and and they're escalating
this and they're provoking the
communities and trying to terrorize the
communities, you know. So, let me just
show you a brief clip from our local
news, Harry Litman from the Talking Feds
YouTube and podcast about this uh
veteran, disabled vet citizen. And we're
hearing a lot about this. It's not just
migrants and it's not just migrants who
aren't criminals, which is a lot of it.
It's American citizens who are Hispanic
are getting arrested just because
they're getting profiled by ICE and then
they're disappeared. Their families like
where are they here? Let's watch this.
Just an extremely emotional scene here.
The minute that we arrived outside Glass
House Farms, uh we met a sister and a
wife of a man who works as a security
guard here, George Reis. He is a
disabled US veteran. He is a US citizen.
Uh and they are desperately looking for
him. They haven't heard anything uh
about his whereabouts from yesterday. Uh
they do say that he was taken in the
raid. We want to show you a picture of
25-year-old George Reddis, a US Army
veteran uh who his family again says is
disabled. They saw via Air 7 yesterday
that he was trying to leave the scene in
his white vehicle. Take a listen to what
his sister and then his wife told us.
I thought he was probably part of the
protest and he wasn't. He was trying to
reverse his car. They broke his window.
They pepper sprayed him. They grabbed
him, threw him on the floor. They
detained him. His wife's been trying to
call and ask where he is. They don't
know where he is apparently. They no one
associates with nobody. So now we don't
we don't know what to do. We're just
asking to like let my brother go. He's a
US citizen. He didn't do anything wrong.
He's a veteran disabled citizen. It says
it on his car and I just want to know
where he's at because I have not seen
him and I heard from him since yesterday
and I called LA.
These are real lives. These are real
human beings behind this. And uh I'll
show you from Tom Hman from on Friday
where he's like we don't need probable
cause. My my Tom Hman impression is
borderline offensive, but I think I
actually do a pretty decent Tom Hman
because he actually sounds like that is
we don't need probable cause. We're just
going to do whatever it is that we want.
We just do whatever we want here. Just
play Tom.
I've got to get your reaction to this
Biden appointed federal judge out in Los
Angeles apparently expected today to
issue a temporary restraining order
halting your lawful operations. She says
I think it's important for the court not
to burden otherwise lawful law
enforcement activities. Your reaction
there
look people need to understand ICE
officers and board they don't need
probable cause to walk up somebody
briefly detain them and question them.
They just need so totally the
circumstances, right? They just got
through their observation, you know, get
articulable facts based on the location,
the occupation, their physical
appearance, their actions, like a
uniform board walks up to them at at for
instance
their their physical appearance. I mean,
what what he's describing there is just
he's saying racial profiling. I wonder
if that gets in to any of these court
cases as well. Um but Harry um you know
we're seeing
not the regime going after the
criminals. They're going after people
who are not criminals. They're going to
Home Depot parking lots and restaurants
and they're going to factories and and
vendors on the street and they're going
after American citizens. I did a report
yesterday of the Alligator Alcatraz
concentration camp. you got someone
there, DACA recipient, 36 years old,
lived in America his whole life, good
job and uh he got a suspended license.
So, he ended up in Alligator Alcatraz in
a concentration camp right now, you
know, suffering, you know, and I watched
those videos and I think Harry also
about some of the polling that's out
there right now. And, you know, only 34%
of people support Donald Trump's
policies on immigration right now. 79%
of Americans are pro-immigration
right now. It's a very overwhelming
support of America being a nation of
immigrants. And it it saddens me that it
took this kind of disturbing situation
to wake the country up. But here we are,
Harry.
Here we are, Ben. And uh yes, it's been
turned on its head, but this is
disgusting
and repugnant on multiple levels. First,
just the Roarshark test of looking this
is our country and you see basically
military
uh bullies in mass going in and busting
heads just for starters. even if what
they were doing was legit, it is foul
and that it's being done in our name is
is really uh head spinning. But second,
I um forgive my I don't do a good Tom
Hman's uh uh imitation either, but I can
tell you as a as a former DOJ guy and a
professor, he he would flunk criminal
procedure outright. They don't have any,
what he's saying is they don't have any
special powers. They're not cops.
They're not law enforcement. They are
simply administrative officers. And like
any administrative officer, you can make
an arrest if there's probable cause. Of
course, if you're wrong, it gets thrown
out. And what he's now talking about is
what you and I, Ben, know as Terry
stops, meaning if you have a reasonable
suspicion. Guess what isn't a reasonable
suspicion? courts have said again and
again and again, it's exactly what you
say, the ethnic identity. So he the the
ignorance of this guy on Fox News saying
it really makes me want to vomit. But I
assume these are the instructions who've
been that have been given to the people
who are there. And by the way, if you
have that reasonable suspicion, meaning
there's a reason, not somebody's uh, you
know, skin color, not where you find
them. Uh, that's at most, as he says,
you can walk up and ask them something,
not bang their windows in, pepper spray,
drag them away. There's just no chance
that this was a legitimate action. And
they didn't give a crap that it's an
American citizen. The truth is, if it
weren't an American citizen, it would be
in some sense equally outrageous because
it's such a trashing of the
Constitution. But the combination of
what they're doing and their legal
ignorance for doing it and just the the
image of what is happening in the in the
United States, it's just foul. And it's
I'm not surprised, but that's
remarkable, right? Trump seems to have
continued to get support for very
benited policies, but this has been
literally turned upside down. So, he is
now pressing this point just, you know,
all the money in the big beautiful bill
to keep continuing this that America is
now revolted by. They've seen and
they're revolted by and and I just want
to say it's not just callous. It's not
just bogus because as you pointed out,
these are not criminals. These are
people who may not have papers and not
even that. But it's completely legally
idiotic that that guy really uh well
he's not a lawyer. If he were he he'd be
disbarred. It is really really foul.
Now let's talk about Harry also. you
know, the detentions and, you know, all
of these prison cases, these civil
rights cases regarding what the
facilities have to provide and what they
can look like, what's cruel and unusual
punishment, what what what what provides
people with due process, what also
becomes just an unlawful form of like
there's there's a lot of case law on
this. When I was a civil rights lawyer,
I had handled some cases involving, you
know, prisoners who I'll just give you
an example. There was a case that I once
did where um the the way they made the
prisoners change in front of them and be
naked in front of the opposite sex
changing guards who would pat them down
would be viewed as something that was
was a constitutional violation. Um and
there was lot there were there was lots
of rules, you know, about this. So when
I think about, you know, the literal
concentration camps we have in the
United States and I'm hearing these
stories like the alligator concentration
camp in in the Everglades where the
where the people are like, you know,
we're not getting food. If we do, the
food has maggots in them. These
mosquitoes are the size of elephants.
They're probably not actually the size
of elephants, but those gigantic
Everglades mosquitoes, which are
probably the size of like a hawk. They
are like that big. Um, and people saying
how hot it is. They can barely breathe
there. They're not given access to their
lawyers. There's no place for the
lawyers to show up to. So, you know, all
of this e every aspect of this, you
know, is El Salvador in the United
States and not the United States in the
United States. And it it's just it's odd
to me, Harry, that you know, there are
so many great groups doing great work
here and civil rights groups who are on
the front lines fighting this, but just
the fact that, you know, we have
concentration camps in the United States
and the corporate news is, you know,
talking about let's talk about why Zoron
Manni, his statement in 2009, look, the
guy's talking about, you know, he's got
his platform in New York City. He's a
New York City mayor candidate. We have
concentration camps in the United States
right now. Hello everybody. So, can you
speak to just the civil rights
violation?
Yeah. Well, first, it's not only El
Salvador and the United States. It's the
United States in El Salvador. We have El
Salvador reporting to the United
Nations. Our Sec prison, that's all the
United States. We're just uh to we have
a contract. Uh we they pay us money. We
put up our prisoners and all the things
we know. Brago in his papers has said,
you know, they make them st kneel all
night and beat them if they fall over.
They make them not go to the uh bathroom
for hours and hours. They do all kinds
of things that are plainly torture. And
they want to create this zone. But El
Salvador itself says exactly contrary to
what the US was saying. In fact, the
judge just today said somebody's lying.
Either El Salvador is lying to the UN or
the US is lying to me. And the the facts
of the matter is right now you can't
even say who is lying so bad has the
administration's reputation been
tarnished. But yes, you're you're
totally right. There's many ways to
think about this. But this I want to tie
it to what I just said before because
who are these immigration types? They're
not law enforcement. They're not Fourth
Amendment. They're not taught. They
don't give Miranda rights. They want to
eat their cake and have it too. And
what's their cake? saying, "Oh, we're
just doing uh administrative actions.
That's why this is an administrative
warrant, which gives us no rights at
all." That's as I was just saying about
Tom Hman. That doesn't give, you know,
they want to be sort of law enforcement
types and tough uh brutes. And yet be
they're they're saying everything they
do as a legal matter is not punishment.
Deportation is not punishment. It's just
regulation of immigration. So in fact
they go to town on a brutal regime
undercover of that and then they turn
around and and want to uh you know act
like the kind of uh law enforcement
baton wielding uh you know bootwearing
uh kind of kind of hard hitters that
they in fact are. So really, this is
this is just an attempt to make the
worst face on something that shouldn't
be law enforcement, but they're turning
it into more cruel and and more um
getting around the Constitution than the
worst of law enforcement that we see in
this country. There'd be, you know, if
you get food with maggots, you go into
court, you're a prisoner, the
Constitution applies, and they'll say
every time, "Oh, this is just
administrative." It's it's really a a um
a revolting regime overall that they're
trying to propound.
We all have to stay in the fight. We
have to educate ourselves on the rights
and we've got to stay in the fight, you
know. Um go subscribe to Harry Litman's
YouTube channel, the Talking Feds
YouTube, his Substack, the Talking Feds
Substack, and his podcast, The Talking
Feds Podcast. Harry was one of the top
DOJ officials before and he was the top
federal prosecutor in the Western
District of Pennsylvania. Knowledge is
power and then you can learn, spread the
knowledge and and that helps the
resistance. That helps us resist. We
know what their moves are going to be
and we can also educate other people
about what's going on as you and I
against the law. I know I got hot and
bothered on this one, but man, it is
head spinning what's being done in this
country. Well, look, if we, you know,
lots of people say, and I'll leave
everybody with this, but you're just
talking about it. You're just, well,
we're a news network, so that's what we
do. We talk about things. Um, but we
also turn talk into action, and we make
sure that we're supporting the right
types of groups and giving them
platforms who are on the front lines
doing the work, filing the lawsuits,
leading the marches. That's part of
movement building. And I think there's a
reason why when you look at the polling
data, 79% of Americans now are
supportive of immigration. Donald
Trump's approval on these issues is 34%.
It's because we're getting the knowledge
out and we're defeating the propaganda.
So there's a utility to this. And I'll
leave everybody with that. Subscribe to
Talking Feds YouTube right now.
Subscribe to our YouTube channel. Thank
you everybody. Thank you Harry.
Thank you Ben.

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Game of Thrones Actor Liam Cunningham Condemns Gaza Genocide: "I Cannot Shield My Eyes"
by Glenn Greenwald
Jul 10, 2025

This is a clip from our show SYSTEM UPDATE, now airing every weeknight at 7pm ET on Rumble. You can watch the full episode for FREE here: https://rumble.com/v6w047c-system-upd...



Transcript

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[Glenn Greenwald] William Cunningham is an award-winning
Irish actor. As I said, best known for
his role on HBO's series Game of
Thrones, and various outlets, including
the Irish Times, have called him one of
Ireland's greatest actors. But he's also
become increasingly known. He's actually
been a political activist for decades.
But recently for activism surrounding
the people of Gaza, he helped to
organize and become a spokesperson for
the Freedom Flotilla where Greta
Thunderberg and other colleagues were
arrested and deported by the Israeli
government for attempting to deliver aid
to the people of Gaza when the IDF was
blockading it. I followed his work for
some time, especially his political
work. And we are delighted to have him
as his debut appearance. Hope it's not
the last on the show. Liam, it's great
to see you. I know it's so late in
Dublin. I really appreciate you staying
up to talk with us.
No, that's fine. It's way past my
bedtime, but an absolute for you, sir.
Anything.
I really appreciate that. Uh, all right.
So, let's begin with what I just
mentioned, which is the role that you
played in kind of helping to organize
and becoming a a very well-known
spokesperson person for the boat that
was intended to deliver humanitarian aid
to Gaza as a way of circumventing the
IDF blockade of food and water and
medicine and the like. You know, it was
I think a lot of people didn't realize
at the time what an actually dangerous
and courageous mission it was. I
remember in 2011 a very similar
flotillaa attempted essentially the same
thing to deliver the people of Gaza food
when there was a blockade there and the
IDF actually attacked that ship, killed
10 people on board. You had Nobel Prize
winners, Holocaust survivors, and the
IDF just didn't care. They violently
attacked it. um what was the impetus for
your involvement in this particular
action even knowing how kind of
dangerous and and provocative it might
be?
Um well it's it's it's a moral choice as
it as it is with any of these things. Um
and I suppose first of all I mean I get
asked quite a few times uh what is it
with the Irish? Why are they so up in
arms about the uh their concern for the
Palestinian cause? Uh so uh by way of a
little bit of background um I suppose
most of your viewers and listeners would
uh know that Ireland was occupied for 7
800 years by the British. But during
that time we suffered two genocides when
Oliver Cromwell and his new model army
in the 17th century came in and British
figures estimated that between between
20 and 40% of the Irish population were
slaughtered were were murdered and again
we had the famine which we romantically
in Ireland called the great hunger and
that was in in the 1840s. Um, and we
lost a million people to starvation. And
and it's one of the main reasons or it
is the reason that there's so many Irish
Americans u at the moment and so many
Irish in America uh was because we had
to abandon our country because the
people that were occupying us at the
time uh um were slaughtering us
wholesale. They did the same thing in
India as well. So um our sympathies are
very much with the plight of the
Palestinian people and uh and uh and
therefore um I feel I have a duty to
speak up for um the people who are who
are being occupied and and I've never
been a fan of injustice. Uh so therefore
the the lack of u the lack of u real
action um from this side of the water u
led to uh the fine people who were on
that boat uh including the wonderful
Greta Thumbberg. Um I probably would
have been on that boat because I never
came to it but we only managed to get um
eight people on board and four crew. So
there was only 12 people uh able to go
because of the drone strike the previous
the month before. and your reference to
uh Mavi Mura when 10 10 people the
people who were involved in the flotilla
at that time told me that some of the
Israeli soldiers when they absiled on
and started the murder they were
carrying photographs uh given to them by
their superiors of who not to kill. I
mean that's that's how cynical that was.
Yeah. And I should note there too that
there was uh an American citizen among
one of the 10 people who was dead. He
was uh of Turkish origin, but it was yet
another case of the IDF using American
weapons, American monies to kill
American citizens that they do
constantly all the time. And so many
self-proclaimed uber patriots in the
United States seem to side with Israel
even when they kill American citizens as
they've, as I said, done with with some
degree of frequency. uh you know, let me
dig into that a little bit. The the
history of of Ireland and occupation and
the like because I do think this is
something that a lot of times people in
countries that don't quite have that
history have difficulty understanding.
There's of course like a big debate
about whether Israel is an apartheid
state. I don't think it's a debate. I
think it's indisputably true. Many top
Israeli officials have said that as
well, including Netanyahu's own chief of
the MSAD from 2015, who said it a month
before the October 7th attack. Um, in in
the United States and in the West, it's
depicted, if you use that word, is proof
that you're anti-semite. But I took my
kids I don't know maybe a year ago to to
South Africa and and you there's a lot
of uh apartheid museums and I've thought
Israel was an aparttheid state before
but when you go and look at the kind of
residue of South Africa apartheid
the the similarities are so striking
which is why so many South African
leaders
it's not just
go ahead
it's not just it's not just the it's not
just the similarity I mean in in the
mid80s I lived in Zimbabwe which was an
anor is a partid state and I arrived in
Zimbabwe 4 years after um uh the end of
Rodesia. Um but uh I think you're being
overly generous uh regarding the debate
about apartheid because many many South
Africans have said that the apartheid in
Israel was worse than anything uh South
Africans suffered under the apartheid
regime there. And that's the that's the
current leadership. Uh the uh the
indigenous um uh government officials
and inclus including Desmond Tutu and
including Nelson Mandela um have said
that the apartheid in Israel was worse.
Um so I mean if the South Africans are
saying that it's time to sit up and I
think it's um it's proven beyond a
shadow of a doubt that that's exactly
what's what's going on.
Yeah. Mandela, I remember he went on
this tour of the United States and the
West and could have been, you know, the
most beloved hero of the West and he
came and, you know, said exactly those
sorts of things. He visited Cuba and
talked about how they were one of the
few allies when they were in their
struggle. Um, so I think the individual
countries history has so much influence
on how people in those countries see the
Israeli uh Palestinian conflict. But let
me ask you about uh the the conflict
with the British because I think one one
thing that a lot of people know about it
is the struggle of Northern Ireland for
independence, the use of violence to
resist occupation and the like. Um
you know, people always talk about
Israel's right to self-defense. I I
guess my question for you is how do you
see the Palestinians right to
self-defense in terms of using violence
in terms of and how does do you see that
with the IRA as well?
Well, in in the case of the
Palestinians, it's enshrined in
international law that anybody under
occupation is the is is under
international law allowed to use any
method to uh to end the oppression. Um
and uh I mean that's a that's that's a
fact. Um and to the best of my
knowledge, I think out of 193 I mean
everybody talks about mass being a
terrorist organization. Uh the United
Nations as to the best of my knowledge
refers to Hamas as a political movement
and there's only 35 of 195 countries
that refer to that have prescribed Hamas
as a terrorist organization. So it's not
a it's not a given. Uh the West's
perception is not the world's perception
of of what Hamas is. And it doesn't
matter what what my position on that is.
But as regards international law, they
have every right to resist an
occupation. And we call it the occupied
territories. The United Nations calls it
the occupied territories. And under
occupation, you have a right to resist
your oppressor. That's that these are
facts. These are not opinions. Uh and
they must be respected. And that's one
of the reasons I'm um um desperately
apoplelectic with the um the disrespect
to international law and the support
that the Palestinian people should have
to remove the occupiers from their land.
One of the things I think it's important
to note about you for people who don't
know this is that you know in your
expression and people probably have the
sense already from the first couple of
of answers you've given that you're not
just a critic of Israel um but paying
lip service to their right to exist as a
state or whatever. You I think are very
very uh one might say radical relative
to western discourse not just relative
to western discourse. Not that that's a
high bar to clear, but you know, in
terms of what you were even just saying,
like the right of of Hamas to use
violence to resist Israeli occupation,
the fact that they're more a political
movement than a terrorist organization.
I mean, these things are well really out
there. And and you are a working actor
and and and have worked in in film and
television for a long time. And I don't
think it's any secret that within
Hollywood, within
western entertainment more broadly, lots
of people have been punished. I'm
talking about people of big stature.
Susan Sandon had her talent agent
dropped drop drop her after some mild
comments protesting this. There's a lot
of examples. Is that something that you
ever consider or or have been concerned
about that it might prejudice your
ability to work?
Um, no, not really. Uh because I I take
my job extraordinarily seriously. If
somebody has has the um the judgment to
employ me, uh it's my um belief that
I've got to work to the best of my
ability. I think that's what a
reasonable employee does to do the best
job that they can that when people have
put faith in in in in you uh to employ
you because I mean I am the product so
to speak. I'm not producing anything. Uh
I don't make any widgets. I am it. Uh
and uh I'm very committed to any job
that I that I do. Um which is why I'm a
bit fuzzy about these things because I'm
very careful about what I commit to. But
um I I cannot
I cannot shield my eyes to uh to what
I'm seeing. Um and it's it's it's
primarily cowardice uh on everybody's
part. Everybody's afraid to upset um the
the oppressors, the occupiers. Um I I
don't see that. I mean the bottom line
is I mean if you take a step back and be
objective about what I do is I play
dress up for a living. I mean that's
that's what I do. I take it very
seriously but that's what I do. And some
things more important than that. And
it's and just uh to give you the full
picture, it's I've had a an
extraordinarily extraordinary dislike of
injustice. And um the first time I
visited refugees was for Syrian refugees
when we went over with HBO and the
International Rescue Committee and we
visited um uh Greece in Thessalonian
Legos. And from there I uh the South
Sudin refugees. because I was in
northern Uganda and South Sudan. In
fact, during the last season of Game of
Thrones when we were filming, I didn't
tell them I was going. And uh on the
first night in Juba, there was gunshots
just outside the compound we were
staying in, which worried me intensely
because we wouldn't have been able to
finish the show, especially as I hadn't
told him I was going. I was on a break.
So it's the the plight of the people
with no voice who have been stepped on
for geopolitics and for uh the race for
resources and land grabs and that sort
of stuff. I I find nauseating and um and
it's not it you know it's I mean we see
it at a pinnacle at the moment with the
genocide that's going on now. But but we
I've watched it with s with you know
Syrian refugees and as I said with South
Sudanese refugees. Um, it's a it's a
worldwide problem, but but my my heart
at the moment obviously is very much
with the Palestinian people and with
obviously what's going on in Sudan as
well, which is obscene, but uh but we
something has to be done about this
because the world order is breaking down
as we speak.
I want to let me let me ask you about
that because you are somebody who has
spoken for many causes often with some
degree of risk in the sense that you
know if you take any if you if you
defend any cause that's at all
controversial it has various risks that
that can come to you. I think that's not
a controversial statement to make. Um,
but one of the things that I've been, I
guess, heartened by, and it's hard to
find anything to be heartened by when
we're talking about Gaza, is the fact
that there's are a huge number of people
who previously weren't particularly
engaged in politics generally or at
least avoided the Israel issue out of
all kinds of fears or or other uh
instincts of self-preservation who feel
like this is unlike other kinds of
injustices that they've seen in terms of
scale and scope and dehumanization, at
least in so far as ones that the West to
support it. How do you and you are
somebody who has seen up close things
that you were just describing that are
atrocious and maybe it's hard to rank
these things, but in the scope of just
kind of dehumanization, war crimes,
genocide, utter dehumanization, where do
you rank this in terms of other things
that you've seen in your lifetime?
Oh my god, it's Listen, it's it's up
there. I don't know. It's up there with
the Vietnam War, I suppose. ex except
this is this is systematic. That was
armies on the ground and it was uniform
people on on both sides. Um but uh but
what I mean what we're seeing now uh and
it's in it it's in 4K uh on TV. It's we
have a live stream genocide and and
ethnic cleansing uh going on. I mean
there was just a
a mass
exactly
100% 100%. And only in the last what 48
hours the the Israelis have said these
concentration camps I mean even Harets
the Israeli newspapers uh have have
announced that uh these concentration
camps that they're building the Israelis
have announced that anybody who is
outside them is to be eliminated. I mean
it's an official um order now from the
Israeli government. I mean, what sort of
a world are we living in when uh when
our leaders, our international world
leaders, as in the EU, are standing by
and still waffling and still talking to
each other and still arguing about what
they're going to do in the hope that
Israel will stop doing it or or a
ceasefire will come along so they don't
have to discuss it anymore. That's what
I'm astonished at. Uh and you mentioned
briefly about the about more people
getting involved. Yes, they are. the
streets. I mean, you have to look at the
streets around the world. People are
getting sick of it because the masks are
off political leaders, the people who
are who are all talk and literally no
action. Um, and uh and people are
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bigger. They're getting larger. They're
they're becoming more sustained. And
there will come a tipping point. Uh I
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you can feel it. it's getting closer. Um
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Israeli columnist Gideon Levy tells host Steve Clemons that almost all Israelis believe their country “has the right to do whatever it wants”. This includes war crimes and plans to create concentration camps for Palestinians in Gaza, in preparation for expulsion.

Levy argues that it makes no difference if a Republican or Democratic administration were in power in the United States or if Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu or a different politician were in power in Israel.

“The same war might have taken place, and the same crimes of war would have been committed,” he said.



Transcript

Hi, I'm Steve Clemens and I have a
question. Whether it finally signs a
temporary ceasefire or not, what's
Israel's endgame in Gaza? Let's get to
the bottom line.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin
Netanyahu was in Washington for his
third victory lap this year with US
President Donald Trump. There wasn't a
lot of daylight between the two sides.
Well, maybe a little bit on Iran, but
the White House was pushing for progress
in the indirect talks between Hamas and
Israel. In those negotiations, the
devil's really in the details. Much
rides on how far Israel is going to
withdraw from Palestinian territories
during the ceasefire and whether it will
sideline the Israeli run food delivery
system that's literally killing hundreds
of starving Palestinians and
concentrating them into areas where the
Israeli army wants them to be. So
whether a short-term deal is reached or
not, what does Israel want to achieve?
Can the US trust Israel to stand by an
agreement? And as the US and Israel
reshape the Middle East, where do the
millions of Palestinians fit into the
picture? And today, we're talking with
Gideon Levy, a columnist with the
Israeli newspaper Harets, and the author
of several books on Israel's occupation,
most recently, The Killing of Gaza:
Reports on a Catastrophe. Gideon, thank
you so much for being with us today.
Listen, I want to start out uh listening
in on an exchange between Prime Minister
Netanyahu of Israel and President Trump.
Let's listen.
Do you think that there can be a
two-state solution that creates an
independent?
I don't know. I'd ask maybe that
question. You have the greatest man in
the world to answer that age-old
question. Two state. Go ahead. You give
him your honest answer.
I think Palestinians should have all the
powers to govern themselves, but none of
the powers to threaten us. And that
means that certain powers like overall
security will always remain in our
hands.
Gideon, did we just hear the president
of the United States finally end the the
commitment to a two-state solution uh
for Israel and the Israeli prime
minister being being given the latitude
to actually dictate that there would
never be any real sovereignty uh in
Palestine again? Is that the way you
read it?
I think it is dead long time ago. Now it
was the official declaration of the
death and it has some benefits I must
tell you because this masquerade which
lasts now for 20 30 years in which we
all say there will be one day a
Palestinian state. Not today, not now,
not with those Palestinians, with some
other Palestinians, but one day it will
be. while the settlers are taking over
any any piece of land in the West Bank
must come to its end. We have to face
it. There will never be a Palestinian
state and we have to draw the
conclusions and the consequences, namely
to think about a different vision
because continuing to speak about it
again and again. You saw I mean the the
president looks at it as if it's it's a
joke. He doesn't take it seriously. And
you know what? He's right. There is no
serious chance for a Palestinian state
as long as the the occupation continues
and above all as long as the settlement
project continues and Israel has
intention to put an end to it.
Netanyahu has been on a roll with things
and I'm just interested what is the
alternative vision that I think many of
you and your colleagues have about
security. Have you not seen Netanyahu
move Israeli security forward with these
things? What what is the biggest
criticism uh of his security equation
from your perspective?
By the way, I am not the ultimate
critics critic of of Netanyahu and I
really think quite different than most
of my colleagues about him. But let's
really answer your question which is a
very important one. What came out out of
all this? Whatever you were mentioned
was a real enormous success. It can feed
endless Hollywood films. The
walkietalkies, the bombarding of the
bankers in Iraq, the bombarding of the
bunker of of Nasala in Lebanon. Really
wonderful action films. What do we get
by the end of the day? What do we get by
the end of the war? Do you really think
that Israel is today a more secure place
than two years ago? I don't think so
because you ignore the price. First of
all, Israel is turning into a par state
and this is also one factor of security
for a state. To be a par state makes it
a very unpleasant place to be in and
also dangerous.
Secondly, what did we achieve with Iran?
It's very clear now that Iran can still
run for the bomb and maybe much faster
now. So what did we get for all the
destruction that we got here in Israel
and the loss of people? What is the
benefit for the long run? I mean is
Israel going to live on its sword
forever? There's not one country in
history which lived all its life only on
its military power and Israel will not
be able to survive if it goes only to
this direction and right now Israel
believes only military power. This has
no no future.
You said when we last spoke right before
the u uh first ceasefire that was
negotiated between Steve Witoff, the uh
envoy of the president of the United
States, the Qataris in Israel, that a
ceasefire would be signed and then
broken by Israel. And you were exactly
right that happened. We all saw it
happen. Uh now we're back at another
moment. And I have to tell our viewers
that right now as we're listening, Prime
Minister Netanyahu is in Washington DC.
He's been here for days. There has been
no result as the time of this discussion
here. But I'm interested in your
prognostications again. Do you believe a
ceasefire will be secured again? And
what is your prediction about the
solveny and dur durability of that
ceasefire?
Nathaniel does not want this war to end.
And therefore my prophecy last in our
last conversation
will be repeated now is the same
prophecy. As long as he can continue the
war, he will continue it. Will his
motivation be whatever they will be?
Many of his rivals say it's only for his
political survival. I also believe that
he has some ideology behind it. He
really does not believe in any
compromise with the Palestinians, any
negotiations, any agreements, nothing.
Only living on the sword. But in any
case, he didn't give up this war and he
will continue it as long as Donald Trump
will let him. And therefore I am I'm
very concerned that even if a ceasefire
will be achieved now, Israel will
violate it again after getting back the
first 10 hostages, Israel will violate
it again.
Gideon, you know, this seems to me to be
just a very odd negotiation where I know
Hamas is on one side of the table. I
know the Qatar is there, but this
increasingly looks like an ego match
between Trump and Netanyahu. And Trump
is increasingly told, you know, he he
wants to be the peace president, get out
of all these conflicts. And everyone,
every foreign leader that meets him,
including Prime Minister Netanyahu,
says, "You ought to get the Nobel Peace
Prize." And I'm just interested in how
you see the ambitions and motivations of
these two men. Uh, you just said that
Netanyahu wants this war to go on. I
think it's pretty clear Donald Trump may
not care about Palestine, but he doesn't
want this war to go on. How how do you
see the ambitions and incentives of
these leaders right now?
First of all, you mentioned this idea of
nominating
Trump for president for Nobel Prize. Let
me be very clear. The Nobel Prize
Committee will never accept a
recommendation of someone who is wanted
for war crimes by the International
Criminal Court. So if if Natala really
meant to promote the nominee, he did
only damage because Netanyahu and we
have to remember it is wanted by the
international court, the criminal court.
And we we tend to forget this. Now their
ambitions are quite similar even though
they are obviously differences. They are
both populists.
They are both not real democrats. Both
of them not. They both are Nazis
Nazarist as we know. They are both
thinking first of all about their own
career and about their own fate. the
personal one. Now, Netanyahu wants the
war to continue. Trump would like to see
some kind of stability in the Middle
East. If the war will not disturb this,
he couldn't care less. I mean, as you
rightly said, the last thing that
interests him is international law,
genocide, the transpair, the fate of the
Palestinians in Gaza, the starvation,
the mass killing. All those things
really don't matter for him at all. He
wants to have stability in order to go
for his huge project. If it will disturb
him, he will put a pressure on
Netanyahu. Netanyahu wants the war to
continue because he understands that
nothing was achieved in this war until
now. And like a gambler who goes to the
casino and loses all his money, but he
thinks if he will replay again, then he
will make the big hit. Net think that
what was not achieved in 21 months of
mass killing will be achieved in another
21 months of of of killing without
having any clue what will happen then I
mean let's say the ultimate victory is
achieved and what then who is going to
run Gaza who is going to rehabilitate
Gaza who is going to do all that has no
clue so both of them and this is the
last comparison And most of them don't
really care about the outcome. They are
mainly interest for the short run to
show how big they are, how wonderful
they are, and what heroes they are.
Gideon, Egypt has been putting forward a
plan for um Arab states to have a
presence in Gaza to take over from
Hamas. Do you think this has any chance
of actually happening?
No, because Gaza is today such a beaten
place with so much agony and and pain
and really people lost their their their
their humanity there. I talked to some
friends there. You must understand they
are after 19 years of siege and after 21
year months of of horrible war. What
will Egyptian force do there exactly?
it. They have to to to
first of all to have a ceasefire to have
some kind of peaceful reality in order
to start to think and then they need
their own leadership. Nobody can lead
them. Why? Why do we always think that
foreign forces can lead other people's?
It never worked in history. you you mean
to change one occupation with another
occupation, it will not.
When you look at the decimation,
destruction, the killing, the death, the
Gaza humanitarian foundation now
centralizing uh aid centers and so many
be people being killed going to them.
Doesn't this become a self-fulfilling
prophecy at one point where even though
ethnic cleansing is something that is
abhorrent and it's a violation of the UN
charter, the world may let it happen.
The world may let it happen with one
restriction. Nobody is going to take
that. Nobody is going to take 2.3
million Palestinians. Nobody in the
world will be ready to absorb them. and
they have no place to go and therefore
all the rest is totally irrelevant. I
can understand this sentiment let's
relocate them and they have new life you
know with prosperity all of them working
in high-tech and they study medicine and
they will all start a new chapter in
their lives. This is not realistic
because those people I must remind
ourselves they are grandson and
grandsons of people who went through one
relocation
who went through one ethnic cleansing in
1948 by Israel. Most of them are
refugees from Palestine from the place
that I talk to you now from. They lived
here before me. So they are still
carrying the wounds of 48 and now you
suggest them another relocation another
transfer. I really ignore the legal
question the moral question but even in
practical terms where will they go?
Well, the defense minister of Israel,
um, Israel Katz has his own, uh,
suggestion, which is not to export
Palestinians, but rather to concentrate
them, uh, into a camp on the ruins of
Rafa, 600,000 Palestinians after
security checks, and not allow movement
or for them to leave. Is this not what
we saw happen to Jews
before World War during before and
during World War II? I mean, does
concentration camps of this sort which
have now been proposed by the defense
minister of Israel not bring back
haunting memories of the Holocaust?
How can they the minister of defense of
Israel who is a total marginal figure in
Israeli politics? Because all the real
decisions are made by Netanyahu and only
by Netanyahu. All the others are
puppets. But the Minister of Defense by
himself is a son of Holocaust survivors.
I really would like to know what would
his parents say when most of their
families was exterminated.
All the Holocausts in history started
with evacuations of populations.
The Jewish Holocaust started like this
when the Jews were forced to move toward
the east from Germany. The Armenian
Holocaust started also by evacuation of
masses of people and then when you see
doesn't work comes the next stage, God
forbid, extermination.
It repeats itself again and again. And
it is unbelievable how Israelis after
the 7th of October lost really any sense
of humanity and any sense of
selfawareness.
Those are exactly the concentration
camps of our parents and grandparents.
What's the difference? The difference is
only
because in this case cuts does not mean
to solve the problem. He means to
tyrannize those people in this
humanitarian city to tyranize their life
so much until they will break and say
and surrender and say okay take me out
wherever you take me to the Sahara to
other desert just let me out from here
from this hell. This is not a solution.
This is really a
satanic idea. Those are human beings,
you know. Those are not sheep and I
wouldn't care. I wouldn't treat sheeps
like this.
How do you see this uh situation from
Israel looking at US politics? We've
seen people like Senator Chris Van
Holland, uh Senator Bernie Sanders make
the argument that the United States is
complicit uh in what is unfolding in
this, you know, ongoing disaster uh in
Gaza. We've had I've had um General
David Petraeus on this show just say
that, you know, the claim that one can
obliterate or wipe out Hamas is just
specious. That there's no way that Hamas
is a is a brand. Hamas is an ideology.
Hamas is not a list of characters. So
when you kind of look at this and look
at the long-term security side of this,
but also what it's doing to, you know,
the American side of this equation, I'm
just be interested in your perspective.
I, you know, I I have to be honest. You
know, I asked myself if Kla Harris was
was president of the United States
today, would this situation look any
differently? And I'm really not sure it
would.
I'm not sure either. And same, by the
way, I can tell you about the Israeli
alternative, the Israeli opposition. I'm
almost sure that would it wouldn't it be
Netanyahu,
the same war might have taken place and
the same crimes of war would have been
committed. I'm not sure it's such a big
difference between them. But getting to
your question about the United States,
right now we are facing a very
totalitarian system in the United
States. Namely, it's all about one man,
Donald Trump. And we cannot rely on
anything he says because he might change
his mind from today to tomorrow. One day
Zalinski is a friend, the next day he's
an he is an enemy and then he's back a
friend. We supply you supply him with
arms. You don't supply him with arms. It
is not serious with all the respect. It
is not serious. And therefore what what
American are saying is very important.
But finally it will be Donald Trump to
decide. And right now he seems to be
fascinated by Netanyahu which might
change very quickly. Right now he gives
him a cod blanch a green light to do
whatever he wants. supplies him with all
the weapons. By the way, the Democrats
supplied Israel with all the weapons in
the world without any conditions. We
have to remember Barack Obama signed on
the biggest aid plan for Israel for
years.
There's not much difference when it
comes to Israel between the two parties
in the United States. Only the style is
different. And I believe that Trump
right now is a great blessing for
Netanyahu. But as I said, it might
change.
We're seeing the sanctioning of
individuals at the United Nations by
Secretary of State Marco Rubio and
others for continuing to raise concern
about the plight of those uh victims in
Gaza today. And so there is a kind of
thought control scramble going on in the
United States. Israel seems to have a
more robust debate than Washington does.
Is that are you in agreement with that?
Absolutely. Basically, and I know it
will sound weird to you, but basically,
and especially after the 7th of October,
Israel is speaking in one language and
is holding one basic. It is true that
Israel is divided today to two sects.
One sect which believes that anything
that Netanyahu does is holy and that he
is God. No, not less than this. And he
can do whatever he wants. they will
stick to him. And the other sect thinks
the opposite that he is the Satan and
whatever he will do is wrong. Even if he
will bring us peace and prosperity, he
will always be accused by the the other
sect. That's the main argument in
Israel. Netanyahu, yes or no. But when
it comes to the war, the crimes, the
apartheite, the occupation,
the atrocities in Gaza, basically
everyone supports it. There is one camp
who wants to end the war, but only
because of the hostages. We have to face
it. They don't want to end the war in
order to stop the killing of the
Palestinians, in order to stop the
destruction, horrifying destruction of
Gaza. No, it's all about the 20 living
Palestinians, Israelis, sorry, in
captivity. I must remind you and your
viewers that in every half an hour, no,
I I made the other calculation. Yeah. In
every six hours there are average
20 Palestinians killed in Gaza for
months now. Every 6 hours 20
Palestinians are losing their lives.
That's exactly the number of living
hostages in the captivity of the kamas.
You know it makes you think I mean I
obviously it's horrible the story of
those hostages and they should be
released should be released but by the
time we are talking another 20 people
and another 20 people innocent both are
innocent
are killed. So, Israelis changed so much
ever since the 7th of October.
Basically, almost all of them think that
after the 7th of October, Israel has the
right to do whatever it wants. And
basically, most of them think that there
is no room for any kind of humanity,
mercy, pity, solidarity, empathy toward
the Palestinians in Gaza. They don't
interest most of the Israelis. And the
media is collaborating it with it by not
showing Gaza at all. You know that in
Israeli media except of my newspaper,
you will not see Gaza at all. Nothing.
Nothing. You will not see what you see
over there. The average Israeli never
saw.
Well, fascinating. We'll have to leave
it there. Thank you so much, Gideon
Levy, author and columnist with the
Israeli daily newspaper Harets. Really
appreciate your cander and for being
with us today.
Thank you, Steve, so much for your
wonderful questions. It was pleasure
being with you.
So what's the bottom line? On paper, the
negotiations are between the
Palestinians and the Israelis, but in
reality, they're between the United
States and Israel. So if the
Palestinians in Gaza ever get a respit
from the siege of starvation and
demolition, bombings and killings, it's
going to be a bankshot, an unintended
consequence of bigger tectonic
movements. Trump couldn't care less
about Palestine or Palestinians, but he
doesn't want forever wars. and he
doesn't want conflicts using US bombs on
his watch. And he'd like to get some
global applause for his actions.
Netanyahu wants different stuff. He
wants an ongoing conflict for a lot of
reasons, but none of those reasons from
either side have anything to do with
fairness for Palestinians or resolving
things in a long-term stable way that
actually works. And that's the bottom
line.
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OMG! Ghislaine GOES NUCLEAR as Trump COVERS IT UP
by Ben Meiselas
MeidasTouch
Jul 14, 2025 The MeidasTouch Podcast

MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on how Donald Trump’s latest rant may have provided Ghislaine with a golden ticket to get a retrial in her criminal conviction as Trump seeks to further cover up his dark past.



Transcript

It is an undisputed fact right now that Donald Trump is covering up his dark and sick past behavior. And there's a major development this week that's also explaining why Donald Trump likely directed Pam Bondi and Todd Blanche's number one and number two at the DOJ to say that the Epstein list doesn't exist. and to shut down the investigation, and to shut down the efforts to release the Epstein files. And that is the United States Supreme Court is getting ready to hear the final appeal opportunity by one of Donald Trump's former best friends, Ghislaine Maxwell, who sex trafficked for Jeffrey Epstein. She was convicted in connection with the trafficking, and basically put in jail or prison, for the rest of her life. She's appealing that conviction and that prison sentence. And now it's going all the way up to the Supreme Court. And according to the Daily Mail, and other sources, she says that she's got the list, she's got the files, she wants to drop names, and she's willing, and able, and ready to do it, depending on if a deal can be worked out with the Trump regime and the Trump DOJ. So, we need to follow what's going on in the Ghislaine Maxwell criminal appeal, all the way up to the United States Supreme Court.

This is the headline right now from the Daily Mail. This is their exclusive. Jeffrey Epstein's accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell is ready to reveal the truth of the pedophile client list, says insiders. So why are Republicans blocking her?

Adam Cochran explains it as thus. Well, there you go. Maxwell is appealing to the Supreme Court. Sources who have spoken on her behalf to news outlets in the past say she's ready to share the Epstein list in exchange for a nonprosecution deal. She's signaling to Trump she's ready to talk, and if the Supreme Court appeal doesn't go her way, she'll release the list unless something is worked out. This is likely why he is suddenly so desperate to bury the list. If the list is "fake" or "doesn't exist," then Maxwell's trial was on false grounds, and false pretext, and she'd be eligible for a retrial, where a lot of evidence was thrown out. There is a genuine chance that she now may be able to walk as a result of Donald Trump saying that the Epstein list doesn't exist, and that there are no Epstein files.

Let me break that down so you understand it. So, at first, Donald Trump's Department of Justice, it was actually Donald Trump's criminal defense lawyer, Todd Blanche, who became the number two, the deputy attorney general. He works directly under the attorney general, Pam Bondi. And they released that memo, which he said they released with Kash Patel and Dan Bongino, the FBI director, and deputy FBI director, respectfully, saying that there is no Epstein list. There are no Epstein files. And the FBI was shutting down all of its investigative work.

So then the MAGA people were freaking out, and they were pissed off. They were saying, "Why did you bring the MAGA influencers to hold up phase 1 Epstein list binders? Why did you say you had the Epstein list on your desk, Pam Bondi? Why have all of these MAGA influencers been grifting off of the release of the Epstein Files, and now you're saying it doesn't even exist? So, were you lying about a list to cover up for pedo and for sex traffickers? I mean, that's what you were doing, or does this list exist, and Trump is covering it up because he's on the list?

We all know that Donald Trump is deeply connected to Jeffrey Epstein. I've done numerous videos on that, right? But then on Saturday, Donald Trump does that post where Trump says the files do exist. Remember, he says they do exist, but it is a Democratic hoax. He says, "And Obama and Hillary Clinton and uh James Comey and others created the files as part of a massive hoax to hurt Donald Trump and to hurt Republicans."

Now, the MAGA Republicans weren't buying that. But I just want you to put yourself in the shoes now of Ghislaline Maxwell. She's been convicted in a trial, where all of this evidence was introduced about her aiding and abetting Epstein's conduct, and that there was a list, and that they were involved in all of these things together, and involved in sex trafficking together. And by the way, a lot of what went down went down at Mar-a-Lago. More on that in a moment.

So now, one of the arguments that she'll be able to make, is that the president of the United States is now saying that the Epstein situation is a hoax, that it isn't real, that it was made up by Democrats, by Obama and Clinton, and that none of this is real. And so she'll say, "If the president of the United States is making public statements that none of this is real, I should have been able to introduce that at my criminal trial. I wasn't. I deserve a retrial."

Do you make the connection now? By saying that, could Donald Trump be helping Ghislaine get the retrial? And that will silence her from releasing the list if the United States Supreme Court does not grant her appeal to re-evaluate her sentencing, or to overturn her conviction? You see how that works?

I mean, it's a horrific thing that Donald Trump's post may now allow Ghislaine Maxwell to get a retrial. What it is also allowing, not may but is, is that you have Prince Andrew, who was previously basically banned from coming to the United States. Andrew is now able to head to the United States. He's one of the people on the list that Donald Trump claims doesn't exist. He was one of the people with Ghislaine Maxwell. He was being investigated in his connections with Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. And now he's out and about, partying. He's like, "Woohoo! I'm going to go to the United States now. I can go wherever, because Trump and the FBI just did me a solid. I am free. I no longer have to worry about any of this."

I have a basic question. You know, Donald Trump is D174 in connection with a lot of these civil cases against Epstein. He's number 174. So, if there's a 174, wouldn't there be 173 and 175 and 1 2 3 4? So, wouldn't that be a list of people just right then and there?

And I've done this analysis over and over again, but for those just watching for the first time, let me just do it super quickly.

About 10% of all of the Epstein files have been released. There's about 90% that haven't, cuz there have been civil and criminal cases where the judge has released some things. From that 10%, I would say, if you run it through chat GPT, and say, "What's the name of someone who's on those documents more than anybody else," you'd probably get the answer of Donald Trump. Why? In 2020, in 2002, Donald Trump said Epstein's a great guy. He likes women on the younger side. Virginia Giuffre, an underage girl who recently died by suicide, was underage at the time. She was trafficked from Mar-a-Lago. You had Ghislaine Maxwell, the sex trafficker for Epstein, went to Mar-a-Lago. Virginia was working underage at Mar-a-Lago and then Ghislaine Maxwell found her, brought her to Epstein, and she was sex trafficked. Here's what Virginia Giuffre had to say about being sex trafficked by Ghislaine Maxwell. Here, play this clip.

[Narrator] Virginia Roberts was working in the spa at Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, when British socialite, Ghislaine Maxwell, introduced her to multi-millionaire Jeffrey Epstein.

[Virginia Giuffre [Roberts]] The training started immediately. I mean, it was everything down to how to give a blow job, how to be quiet, be subservient, give Giuffre what he wants. A lot of this training came from Ghislaine herself. And being a woman, it kind of surprises you that a woman could actually let stuff like that happen, but not only let it happen, but to groom you into doing it. And then there's Jeffrey who's telling you, "I want it this way. No, go slower, and don't do that, and do this."

[Ben Meiselas] Now, Donald Trump is on Epstein's flight logs and again, only a small portion have been produced about seven times. He's all over the Epstein depositions, from victims of Epstein who had been sex trafficked by him. They said, "Look, we're going to the Trump Atlantic City." And Epstein's calling Trump at Ghislaine Maxwell's criminal trial. Now a woman, at the time an underage girl who was 14 years old, she said that Epstein and Ghislaine introduced her to Donald Trump. In 2024, Donald Trump used Epstein's jet for the 2024 Trump campaign. They just wrapped it in Trump 2024 letters.

I can do 174. I can go on, and on, and on here, but here was Donald Trump on Ghislaine Maxwell's sex trafficking case saying that he wishes her well when he was asked, "What do you want to say to her?" Here, play this clip.

NBC Reporter] Ghislaine Maxwell is in prison, and a lot of people want to know if she's going to turn in powerful people, and I know you've talked in the past about Prince Andrew, and you've criticized Bill Clinton's behavior. I'm wondering, do you feel that she's going to turn in powerful men? How do you see that working out?

[Donald Trump] I don't know. I haven't really been following her too much. I just wish her well, frankly. I've met her numerous times over the years, especially since I lived in Palm Beach, and I guess they lived in Palm Beach. But I wish her well. Whatever it is. I don't know the situation with Prince Andrew, just don't know. Not aware of it.

[Ben Meiselas] So then when he was asked by Axios, "Why'd you wish her well? She's a sex trafficker. Why wouldn't you wish her bad? Why would you wish sex traffickers well?" Here, play this clip.

[Axios Reporter] Mr. President, the other day a reporter asked you about Ghislaine Maxwell. You said, quote, "I just wish her well, frankly. I've met her numerous times over the years, especially since I lived in Palm Beach, but I wish her well, whatever it is." Mr. President, Ghislaine Maxwell has been arrested on allegations of child sex trafficking. Why would you wish such a person well?

[Donald Trump] Well, first of all, I don't know that.

[Axios Reporter] But I do know that. She has. She's been arrested for that.

[Donald Trump] You know that. Her friend, or boyfriend --

[Axios Reporter] Epstein --

[Donald Trump] -- was either killed or committed suicide in jail. She's now in jail.

[Axios Reporter] Uh huh.

[Donald Trump] I wish you well. I'd wish you well. I'd wish a lot of people well. Good luck. Let them prove somebody was guilty. I mean, do you know that --

[Axios Reporter] Oh, so you're saying you hope she doesn't die in jail. Is that what you mean by wish her well?

[Donald Trump] [Screeching hysterically] Her boyfriend died in jail. And people are still trying to figure out how did it happen? Was it suicide? Was he killed? And I do wish her well. I'm not looking for anything bad for her. I'm not looking bad for anybody. And they took that and --

[Axios Reporter] I mean, she's a child sex trafficker.

[Donald Trump] -- big deal. But all it is is her boyfriend died, he died in jail. Was he killed? Was it suicide? I do. I wish her well.

[Ben Meiselas] Yeah, that was another massive red flag right there. And by the way, Donald Trump's biographer, who was also going to be Epstein's biographer, but he never ended up writing the biography for Epstein, Michael Wolff, he recently sat down and did an interview and he said, "I've seen the photos with Trump and Epstein with the naked girls." I mean, he said he's seen them. Here, play this clip.

[Michael Wolff] I know that these pictures exist, and I can describe them. There are about a dozen of them. The ones I specifically remember is the two of them with topless girls, of an uncertain age, sitting on Trump's lap, and then Trump standing there with a stain on the front of his pants, and three or four girls kind of bent over in laughter -- they're topless too -- pointing at Trump's pants.

[Ben Meiselas] And then we had Michael Wolff on the Meidastouch, and he said, "When I was interviewing Trump, I was specifically told that you could basically talk to him about anything, but you can't talk to him about Epstein. If you talk to him about Epstein, he's not going to answer the questions. Here, play this clip.

[Michael Wolff] No. And I think the thing you have to return to here is that Donald Trump has gotten away with literally everything. And it turns out to be one of his greatest gifts. And what is that? You know, because it's the incredible advantage of utter shamelessness, or I remember Steve Bannon said to me once that if the if the famous "Pee" tapes were ever found, Trump would just say, "That's not me." And it wouldn't matter if it looked like Donald Trump, if he walked like Donald Trump, it wouldn't matter. He would just deny it. And somehow, again, hiding in plain sight, this long relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, and Trump has just waved it away, swept it under the rug, ignored it, and gotten away with it. Does that change? Probably not, but maybe.

[Sidney Blumenthal] You know, he is a master of distraction, to distract people from all the problems he's created, and at the same time he is distracted by this one question, maybe others, but this one for sure --

[Michael Wolff] You know I think it's a difficult question for him. Once when I was in Mar-a-Lago, I went to sit have a sitdown with him, and his aids just asked me for a rough outline of what I wanted to talk about. And I had a lot of subjects, but I also said Epstein. And they said, "You know, if you ask about that, he'll just stop the interview, and you won't get anything.} So this person said, "I recommend you can ask about anything, but I really recommend you not ask that if you hope for this interview to go on."

[Ben Meiselas] And of course, we also learned that during his first term, Donald Trump was considering pardoning Ghislaine Maxwell. And by the way, it's not just Trump. Others in his administration have ties to Epstein as well. RFK Jr., here's what he had to say. Here, play this clip.

[Fox News Jesse Waters] You weren't ever on Jeffrey Epstein's jet, were you?

[RFK, Jr.] I was on Jeffrey Epstein's Jet two times. I was on it in 1993, and I went to Florida with my wife and two children to visit my mom over Easter. My wife had some kind of relationship with Ghislaine Maxwell, and they offered us a ride to Palm Beach. So I went then, and on another occasion, I flew again with my family, with I think four of my children, and Mary, my wife, to Rapid City, South Dakota, to go fossil hunting for a weekend. But otherwise I was never on his jet alone. I've been very open about this from the beginning. This was in 93, so it was 30 years ago. It was before anybody knew about Jeffrey Epstein's nefarious issues. And I agree with you that all of this information should be released. And we should get real answers on what happened to Jeffrey Epstein, and of the high-level political people that he was involved with. All of that should be open to the public. It should be absolutely transparent. And you know, I don't see why any of those records would have any redactions in them. Why would we be hiding that from the American public?

[Ben Meiselas] So, this is a big development now, because the Supreme Court has the opportunity to hear Ghislaine Maxwell's case. We'll see what they do. That's going to be decided soon. Is she then, regardless of what the outcome is before the Supreme Court, does she now go and say, "Hey, I need a retrial. The president of the United States says that my entire case was a hoax, and isn't real, and I got an unfair trial," because listen to what he has to say. I wonder if she goes in that direction, and does she now hold the list over his head, and Donald Trump effectively, you know, now is subservient, is going to do whatever she wants to do basically. So we will see.

Well, I'll keep you posted every step of the way. The word I was looking for was "subverting the national interest in favor of someone who was convicted of sex trafficking." And then what about all the victims out there?

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