It's Time to Fight Back Against Trump's Fascist Regime (w/ Ralph Nader) | The Chris Hedges Report
by Chris Hedges and Ralph Nader
The Chris Hedges YouTube Channel
Sep 29, 2025
Transcript
There's no functioning opposition party that can halt America's rapid descent into an authoritarian state. The
Democratic Party, which in the last presidential election saw the party hierarchy anoint a candidate who ran a
vapid, issueless, celebritydriven campaign, was soundly rejected by the voters for the grifter and demagogue
Donald Trump. The party, which is a minority in the House and the Senate, stands for nothing and fights for
nothing. Indeed, it does not even function as a political party with the concerns of its voting base routinely
ignored. Democratic Party voters, 62% of whom say the party leadership should be
replaced, 75% of whom oppose sending more military aid to Israel, and 66%
favor socialism are little more than props trotted out as extras at the highly choreographed conventions. The
sinking poll numbers, the party has a 24% positive rating and a 56% negative
rating, have done nothing to jolt the party back to reality. Hakee Jeff, the
House minority leader, and Chuck Schumer, the Senate minority leader, each of whom are from New York, have
refused to endorse the party's official candidate for mayor of New York, Zoran
Mandani, despite his energized grassroots campaign and high polling numbers. It has ignored Bernie Sanders
fighting oligarchy tour, which drew large crowds across the country and did
all it could to sabotage Sanders campaign to be the party's presidential nominee. The party continues to cravenly
serve the interests of its corporate and oligarchic donors, including the Israel
lobby, at the expense of its own viability. It refuses to mount little more than a symbolic challenge as the
Trump administration dismantles democratic institutions and eviscerates civil liberties. With government funding
set to expire tomorrow, the party could deliver a significant blow to the Trump
administration by orchestrating a partial government shutdown. This tactic
was rejected earlier this year by Schumer when he supported a continuing
resolution. But the widespread outrage over the abject failure by the party to
throw up roadblocks to Trump's authoritarianism may finally see the Democrats reluctantly react. Joining me
to discuss the crisis in the American political system, what it means if the Democratic Party continues to
capitulate, and the Trump administration's war on Democratic norms and lawful disscent is consumer advocate
and former presidential candidate Ralph Nater. I want to begin, Ralph, by
looking at the Democratic Party. Uh, I think you have long blamed the party for
this right-wword drift and even the election of Trump.
Chris, you you I have to bicker with you. Stop using the word authoritarianism to describe Trump's
fascist dictatorship, which means every state, every criteria of dictatorship
moving into a police state with only terror to look forward to. He has
violated every law that would obstruct him. He's defied judicial decisions. He
has ignored congressional exclusive authority over spending and declaration
of war and other authorities under the Constitution. There's almost no
impeachable offense that he has not committed. uh we have drafted over 23
impeachable uh articles and we're talking impeachment now and removal from
office. That's the only thing left under the Constitution that he has not ravaged
and been able to control. He has turned the Justice Department into a crooked
illegal persecutor of innocent people. uh he is self-enriching himself and his
cohorts using the office of the white house. He lies seriously and violently
turning realities into fantasies. Uh he is basically laying the groundwork with
tariffs and other policies that are going to increase prices to the American people which has already started. Uh
unemployment is increasing. people are having a hard time finding new jobs and
uh they're having a very hard time in terms of housing and other necessities
of life to protect and nurture their families. So you have all the criteria,
repression of free speech, cracking down on disscent, kidnapping people with masked ICE agents, uh including some
people who have green cards, and and some they stumbled over uh people who are actually American citizens, throwing
into dungeon concentration camps. They're called detention centers by liberals as well as right-wingers. So
the the second thing uh is in addition to dropping the word authoritarianism
is to show that the Democrats have have they they don't have a party per se.
They contract out their campaigns, their fundraising, their strategies, their
tactics, their choice of schedules and traveling, the corporate conflicted
consulting firms which have been immune from investigation by the Washington
Post, New York Times, and Wall Street Journal for years. And I have talked to all the reporters uh and I said, "You're
missing a big story. This is a the only party we have that can save the republic
from the ravages of what JD Vance in 2016 before he turned co turn co called
America's Hitler meaning he was referring to uh Trump. So having said
this it's so easy for the Democrats to throw the Republicans on the defensive
on issues that are supported by leftright voters. But they don't stand for anything because they're not in
charge of their campaign policies and programs. They got these all these uh
greedy consulting firms that go back and forth between the Democratic apparatics
and their own business. Uh it's a huge scandal that needs to be exposed. So if
the Democrats made a big issue out of increasing the minimum wage to at least $15 federal from $725,
that's 25 million workers would live better. They can say, "Go vote for a raise. You've long denied it." They can
raise social security benefits frozen for over 45 years and but and pay for it
by raising the social security tax on higher income individuals. In 2022, 200
House Democrats voted for such a bill by John Larson, Congressman from Connecticut. But Nancy Pelosi wouldn't
take it to the floor. That would help 65 million retired Americans. He could
restore this child tax credit, providing $300 a month to 61 million children from
both liberal and conservative families. The Republicans are against all of these. So you cut the the you cut the
difference between the parties sharply with huge polling. If you went into the
next issue, which is cracking down on corporate crooks that are stealing the hard-earned earnings and savings of all
Americans, that comes in at 85% in the polls. What's there to lose? Campaign
money from Wall Street to Chuck Schumer and to Hakee Jeff. And then the other
big one is which Kamela Harris raised but never really emphasized. It was a
throwaway line. Raise taxes on the hugely undertaxed super rich and and
multinationals. And that comes in at 85%. That's a lot of conservatives who are
fed up with how these big companies are getting away with it. So you you're
dealing with, you know, just endless opportunities that Franklin Dela Roosevelt, Harry Truman, even Lynden
Johnson would have adopted to landslide the Republicans. So now the Democrats
are hours away from a potential shutdown, but they haven't made the case. They say that it's due to they
want to reverse the uh ending the subsidies for Obamacare. That's almost
30 million. who are going to experience very high increase in health care
premiums as of January and they want to get rid of the uh depletion of Medicaid
to 10 to 15 million people are going to lose it in order to pay for tax cuts for
the super wealthy including Trump's family. So that's not enough. They don't
say it. They don't know how to say it right. They don't know how to talk about how many people would be benefited by
continuing the subsidies and stopping the hemorrhaging of Medicaid. They just
are letting consultants use uh use the words they use.
So in 2001, Robert Rush, former uh labor secretary under Clinton, wrote an
article for the OpEd and he basically said the Democratic Party is dead, dead.
And that's the pro problem for the American people. And that's why the clamoring at town meetings where people
are shouting at the Democratic senators and representatives, start fighting,
start going after the GOP, protect us, defend us, represent us, is still not
breaking through. Schumer and Jeffrey should resign immediately. They have
turned themselves into Trojan horses. And if the government shuts down
partially on October 1, I'm not sure they can make the case in
the polls yet because they have surrendered their integrity and independence to these commercial
consultants who have corporate clients throughout the year. What are they doing hiring then for the Democratic party?
Do you see any any hope in the Mandani campaign? Yes. So it looks like he's going to win.
The more he's battered by the billionaires and the real estate industry and Israeli lobby, his polls
keep going up. So the the the key thing is turnout. There are huge numbers of
younger New Yorkers uh who are registered to vote, who don't vote. They
came out for the primary, a small number, but Cuomo is relying on a low
turnout. Uh and uh so the issue is he's got over 16,000 volunteers. They should
be able to get a major vote turnout. He's getting a lot of media, even
critical media. He turns to his advantage. But the one thing he hasn't done is answer the question, how are you
going to pay for these programs like free child care, free bus, uh bus
service, uh etc. The way he to do it is for him to come out what his colleagues
in in Albany have already come out for a bill to end the daily rebate of over $40
million a day maybe 80 million uh of the the tiny sales tax on stock transactions
onetenth of 1%. Chris, you know what you pay when you go to New York? You pay a state and city
tax that's over 8% for necessities of life in stores in New York. Onetenth to
1% will bring in anywhere from 16 to 30 billion a year. And for some reason,
even though he's been asked by 1099 Union, he's been asked by a statewide uh
religious group, he's been asked by a coalition of consumer groups, including
us to come out to end the rebate so you can answer the question how you can pay for
daycare and uh bus fair. And this bill targets
money. It actually targets money to mass transit, to healthcare, to environment,
to education. All these unions should be fighting for it. But only a
very few are because a state labor federation guy has been listening to
Napoli, the state treasurer, who's in the pockets of Wall Street, and saying, "Oh, this will harm pension fund
investments." Total nonsense. It will it will be paid primarily by very high
frequency traders. So it's a wonderful progressive sales tax for only onetenth
of 1%. Otherwise he's running a good campaign.
Yeah. I mean they they will they've already announced they will do everything they can to destroy him and
to make his uh tenure in office untenable.
Well, he's got to appoint some very smart, experienced people. Uh that's and he's fully aware of that. He he's a
pragmatic guy. Uh he's not a skydiver.
If the Democratic party uh continues in this trajectory and Trump continues to
consolidate and I I have used the word fascism. I did not use it in my introduction, but I do use the word fascism. this uh fascistic and we've
just seen this presidential memo that essentially uh equates criticism of
capitalism, criticism of ICE with with acts of terrorism. Uh
where are we headed and how fast? We're headed fast into a police state
and terrorism. He's already going after James Comey and he's persecuting him.
The indictment was two pages. It was totally flimsy uh by the grand jury,
which is a narrow decision. And uh he now says going after Senator Adam Schiff
from California. That's another very serious bright line.
He's starting to go after lawmakers. Yeah. And so that's what fascists do. They're
going after the press. He's extorting them. He's going after universities. This is technically extortion. When you
say you're going to cut off funds, you're going to block law firms from representing clients by not letting them
into federal buildings, that's the perfect definition of extortion. That's a serious crime, impeachable crime.
Clearly, it's not only his repression. Uh Chris, who's he leaving alone and who
is he cutting funds for, you know, cutting funds for FEMA with approaching
hurricanes? He's cutting funds that warn on weather patterns. He's cutting funds
that warn on pandemics. He's cutting funds at war on global warming catastrophes. He's cutting the funds of
Head Start, which Republicans and Democrats have supported. Cutting the funds on meals on wheels. Cutting the
funds on Medicaid. All these affect Trump voters as well. and they're not
coming to their senses and and turning against him in fast enough numbers. His
polls are dropping but not fast enough because he's betrayed them. Uh but it's
not just all of that that you've written and talked about, uh Chris, repression, violence, defamation,
incarceration, uh unemploying people, firing them illegally. 300,000 have left this
federal civil service since January 20. Some of them were retirements, but most
were pushed out. Closing down scientific me uh research, NIH and uh and CDC. Uh
but who's he leaving alone? And this is the definition of fascism or the corporate state. He's leaving alone
hundreds of billions of dollars of corporate handouts, giveaways, subsidies, bailouts a year. He's leaving
alone along with Musk all the corporate crooks that are bleeding federal
programs like Medicare 60 billion fraud a year. billion with the B Medicaid
heavy tens of billions of dollars by the vendors by the people who who the
companies who sell or who are contracted out to administer programs uh like the
inflated Medicare disadvantage program poking a huge hole in Medicare uh and
with deceptive ads that are not prosecuted by the Federal Trade
Commission. And of course, the military budget. He's he's added $150 billion dollars
more to the bloated military budget than the generals have asked for. 44 billion
more to Homeland Security, hired tens of thousands of mass agents, uh kidnapping
people, uh throwing them into jail without charges, uh sometimes exporting
them to dictatorial torture museums. uh uh excuse me uh uh regimes. Uh so you
got the complete definition of fascism defined by Franklin Del Roosevelt 1938
in a message to Congress. He basically said when private power takes over our
government that's fascism. Let's talk about his deployment of uh
National Guard troops in cities. uh Washington, Chicago, now Portland.
What's he doing? Um well, basically this attack on uh
Democratic controlled cities, most of them with black mayors um like Los Angeles and
New York, other places, Washington DC. Uh it's part of the fascist takeover.
You know, you you federalize the state national guard. He's using fake national
emergency uh declarations. This is Congress's fault. They gave him all this
wide open discretionary power to declare insurrection, to declare foreign
invasion, to declare uh emergency powers without any criteria or standards.
So, this goes back a long way when Congress just abdicated its role. It
doesn't want to do its job under the Constitution. Those are not executive
powers. Those are congressional powers delegated without any restraints and
accountability to any reckless president. And we've never had one more reckless. He's a egoomaniacal,
unstable, dangerous personality. He has said on the record and we printed him in our
book uh on our book on destroying America on Donald Trump. He he said that
he knows more than experts in 15 different areas. He knows more about
banks. He knows more about construction. He knows more about uh trade than
anyone. This is deranged megalomaniac person. He just said the other day before the UN, "I've been right on
everything." This is a very dangerous personality here.
Um, and let's talk about ICE. The massive expansion of ICE uh will get more its budget will now dwarf all other
federal law enforcement agencies. And this planned uh building of huge detention centers
all across the country. Uh they're not detention centers, they're concentration camps. concentration
camps. Yes, you're right. And and there uh what how is that
mechanism going to be used? One assumes that uh that not simply for undocumented
people. Well, be used for what he's already starting like he kidnapped a tough
graduate student because she wrote an oped criticism of him. So there's there
a lot of people in that category. uh citizen groups, labor groups,
uh better government groups, uh reform groups, and he's getting away
with it. And one reason, by the way, you might wonder, Chris, and your audience might wonder why people aren't suing uh
for malicious prosecution, abuse of power, the way they have successfully
sued uh out of control police violence in cities around the country under tort
law. It's because with the help of the Supreme Court, they've made it very hard
to sue federal employees uh who uh even under contract who
basically uh plead the government sovereignty defense. So that's why the ICE agents
feel that they're not going to be sued because they they come under that
protective uh cloak which the Supreme Court has been expanding. So the so
that's what the concentration camps are for. And uh now obviously public opinion
is turning against him and that's where he's going to fail. He's losing ground
even significantly among Trump voters and independent voters who voted for him
because they're seeing the betrayal even though there's been a delay in the impact because he delays the tariffs but
a whole bunch of them are going in effect October 1st and he they will see the price increases in necessities of
life kitchen table necessities very shortly. So, I expect that his polls are
going to drop to 30%. And it's only at 30%. The Hakeim Jeff and and uh Schumer
say it that's when they can go after him. Well, that waits to be seen. What
does it mean go after him? There's only one remedy. It's called impeachment in
the House, removal of the Senate. Now, people say impossible. GOP controls
both. It's not at all. Here's why. When the GOP sees his polls plummeting for 2026, it's either them up for reelection
and loss of the Congress or Trump who is not up for reelection. What do you think
they're going to pick? What's the president? Let's go to Richard Nixon. He won 49 states in 1972. He was a 60%
approval. Less than two years later, he resigned. Why? because he was about to
be impeached and removed from office for what articles? Listen to this. In
comparison, listen to the transgressions of Nixon that led to his ouster. One
count of obstructing justice and I think two counts of obstructing
justice and one article of defying a congressional subpoena. Well, he def
Trump defined 125 congressional subpoenas in his first term alone. 125
obstruction of justice. John Bolton said in his memoir, the former security assistant to Trump, who Trump is going
after, by the way, he's raided his home with FBI agents. He said, quote,
obstruction of justice was a way of life, a daily way of life in the White
House first term. So, the Democrats have hundreds of more impeachable offenses,
and they're not one-time events like Watergate. They are continuingly impeachable. He
brags about it openly. He boasts about it. He indicts himself every day. And
the Democrats on Capitol Hill are telling us, "Now is not the time for impeachment. Now is not the time. When
is the time, Jamie Raskin? When is the time, Adam Schiff? When is the time,
Schumer? When is the time, Jeff? After he's prosecuted you with rump
prosecutors for crimes and got you before a grand jury. Is that what you're waiting for? Have you ever seen a more
craven, corrupt, cowardly party in American history,
Chris? No. And and it's and it's always, you
know, you look at Vimar anywhere else, it's always a bankrupt liberalism that
sews the seeds for fascism. Well, you know, you wrote the book on
it, the death of the liberal class, which uh when I had you on my podcast
radio show, I accused you of understatement. And it's really, it's much worse. For
example, we're asking Jamie Rascin. He is now the ranking member of this House
Judiciary Committee. There's nothing stopping him from holding shadow hearings publicly with witnesses and
media on impeachment, educating the public, getting them ready for
impeachment if and when the Democrats take control of the House. Now, the House Democrats under Pelosi, they
impeached Trump twice. Once on a Ukraine extortion type thing with Hunter Biden,
not exactly a tabletop uh issue, kitchen table issue, and the other was
on January 6, insurrection. Now they have 24 serious
serious impeachable offenses, many of which are
criminal violations with jail terms like the Anti-Deficiency Act, which prohibits
uh presidents from not obeying appropriation fund orders by the
Congress, which he violates every day. He's closing down aid, impeachable offense. Congress has authorized funds
to keep it open. He's done the same thing with Education Department, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau
that protects people and has returned $21 billion from corporate crooks, including from Wall Street. So, what are
they waiting for? The longer they wait, the more they're going to have to deal with the police terror state. This guy
has no boundaries. He's a deranged, unstable personality. He's ignorant,
monoomaniacal. He knows more than everybody. And he's put entrenched yes
people that can be the counterparts of Herman Goring, Himmler, Ribentrop, guys
like Hespath, Secretary of Defense. You can't wait for a war. They're pushing
the country to war. And he'll put a country he'll put us into war to try to avoid impeachment and
send US troops. So we have retired military who despised Trump. They worked
under him. They were secretary of defense. Remember Matis, the head of the
joint seat of staffs, Mark uh and uh his
his security advisor, John Kelly, all former generals, retired now. They have
a network. What are they waiting for? It's it's they cannot be told to obey an
illegal order under the Constitution. And a Trump war without congressional
authorization is ipso facto an illegal order to every soldier that they are
under a legal requirement under the Nuremberg rules, international law to
disobey that illegal order and go fight an illegal war in some foreign land. So
Ralph, before I ask you about your new book, uh do you have any idea what this
concave of all the senior military and hegsith is about?
It's about dis dis not to disobey illegal orders that are forthcoming to
do things uh from Trump to the Pentagon to people overseas and to use the
military domestically in our cities and towns and rural areas which violate a
federal law and he can't get away with it by just declaring one fake emergency
after another. It's basically to whip potential denters
among the generals and admirals. Uh people who grew up West Point Air Force
Academy, Naval Academy, saying that their first obligation is their oath to
support the Constitution, not the Secretary of Defense or the President. It's a very dangerous whipping them into
a very pliable force for illegal action against the American people
domestically and abroad. So let's talk about at the end here your
book civil self-respect and what you call uh civic personality as opposed to
uh a personal personality. Let me just put it this way. I I want to
use this metaphor. The mighty Mississippi starts with a few rivullets in Minnesota
and Montana. The rivullets then become brooks.
Brooks then merge to become streams. The streams then merge into mighty
tributaries which then like the Missouri River feed into the giant Mississippi
River. The giant Mississippi River would not be a river without the rivullets
and the streams. So that's the metaphor. Now I read
reason I wrote this book. It's critical to all we've been discussing. The ball game now is back in the hands
of the people. They're turning out at various town meetings.
1% of them are marching and and very active. We need more than 1%. Even 2% is
5 million adults right there. And so I write this book because I would
be speaking to large audiences, Chris, around the country in past years. And at
the end, people would come up to me rather hesitantly and they would say,
"Ralph, I know I'm not I I know I'm a nobody, but I have to ask you this
question." And when I hear that, I flare. I said, 'What do you mean you're
a nobody? How can you ever say you're a nobody? You live as a citizen in this
country. How can you say you're a nobody? A worker?
Yes. Are you a consumer shopper? Yes. Are you a taxpayer? Yes. Voter? Well,
sometimes. Are you a parent? Yes. Are you a veteran? Sometimes. Well, how can you
say you're nobody? You know things about those roles. You've experienced them. You've been
frustrated. If you allow yourself to be a nobody, you're going to be treated like a nobody. You're going to be
treated like someone who doesn't count. Someone who doesn't matter, somebody who can be disrespected, someone who can be
ripped off, somebody who could be underinsured, somebody who can be suppressed.
So, let me tell you something, and that is you don't have to go out of
your way. just in your ordinary shopping, you get ripped off.
You you become more of an advocate. You move into a citizen dimension. Some of
the examples in this book just full of examples called citizen self-respect.
A a woman was kept on a tarmac in Michigan for hours with her fellow passengers.
The plane heated up. It was awful. And so when she got out, she looked into it
and she saw there's no remedy for the passengers. So she started a book, a a group called
Flyers Rights. Kate Henny was her name. And until she stopped getting support
because people often uh look the other way and think other people are going to
support these citizen groups, she made a lot of changes on on the basis of of her
experience. She became a citizen advocate. And there are people who've done this recently that have been in the
news the in the food safety area. They've mobilized because of their bad
experiences with junk food, contaminated uh food. So this is full of examples.
And so your your daily role as a a consumer, a worker, a taxpayer, voter,
whatever, you can go out of your personal role uh and develop an
additional civic energy, civic protest,
civic advocacy, and some of you are going to be so excited you're going to join existing citizen groups that want
more members and more supporters around the country focusing on Congress, for example. you'll get the the Capitol
hillcitizen.com the the new uh Capitol Hills citizen
newspaper that we're putting out. You'll connect with some local groups on housing and really basic community
necessities that are recognized by left-right families who don't fall prey
to the divide and rule tactics of the ruling classes because they want the same things for their children and for
themselves. public services, adequate uh benefits that they've already paid into,
as well as clean air, clean water, and other protections locally in the
community and the neighborhood. This is why I call this my most important book.
This is a short book, very readable, full of examples, but it's very
personal. The chapters are chapter names that have never been uh written about
before in a in a preface. I the citizen,
I the worker, I the consumer shopper, I the taxpayer, I the voter, I the parent,
I the veteran, I the philanthropist. People say philanthropy, I'm not a philanthropist. Are you kidding?
Lower and middle inome people give a higher portion of their money to charity than rich people. They're all
philanthropists. They can all decide where to put their money, how to aggregate their money, how to talk to
enlightened rich people to to fund activities which we outline in this book
at the local level. So you can get a autographed copy of this book if you're
inclined that way. Uh you can go to nater.org and it describes the book. Or you can
get it directly from the publisher, Seven Stories Press. Uh or you can get
it in other ways. You buy books online or from your independent bookstores
called citizen selfrespect has a nice commentary very brilliant
commentary by Patty Smith on the front page as well as other incoms that I
appreciate including yours Chris Hedges. Thank you very much. winner of the Pulitzer Prize for for war and author of
the book War is a force that gives meaning
is that gives meaning and I always thought that's one of your greatest
books because it really cuts deep into the selfrespect or lack of by citizens
around the country who have allowed themselves to lose their government have it be taken over by corporations
into a military corporatist plutoaucracy.
Great. Thanks, Ralph. Uh that's uh civic self-respect.
Uh I want to thank uh Diego, Max, Sophia, Thomas, and Victor who produced
the show. You can find me at chrisedges.substack.com.
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