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Jewish Journalist EXPOSES Israel’s DARK SECRET History
Double Down News
Feb 20, 2025

Katie Halper is host of The Katie Halper Show



Transcript

There's literally nothing that Israel won't do in the name of Vengeance
and in the name of continuing Zionism.
For some people the takeaway is:
as long as they're not literally putting people in ovens
as long as they're not doing exactly what the Nazis did
that somehow that's okay, it's actually not okay.
Never Again doesn't mean:
Never Again in the exact same way that the Nazis did it,
if that's your take away from the Holocaust
you really need to look at yourself and do some soul searching.
I'm Jewish I lost members of my family during the Holocaust
and the truth is Israel does not represent me Israel does not make me safer
in fact it puts me and all Jews in greater danger.
Because as Israel commits these crimes against humanity
and live streams them and in some cases gleefully
live streams them we've seen soldiers doing this.
Israel doing that and saying it's in the name of Jews that will create anti-Semitism.
The idea that Israel represents all Jews is in itself an anti-semitic idea
the dual loyalty trope says that all Jews are monolith
and we're all loyal to Israel and we can't be trusted
to be loyal to other governments regardless of where we live.
That is really what Israel is leaning into and you have anti-semites
and then the government of Israel APAC and the ADL
all making the same argument which I think really shows you
the dangers and the inherent anti-Semitism of Zionism.
People like to claim that anti-zionism is anti-semitic
well it's actually not given that you literally have more
Christian Zionist in the world then you have Jewish Zionists.
This particular Christian form of Zionism wants Jews to go back to Israel
so we can provoke the end times, Armageddon.
All Jews except a very lucky 400 who accept Christ as their lord
and saviour burn for all of eternity so these are the Allies.
All these cancel culture warriors who talk about right-wingers being cancelled
are very silent interestingly enough when it comes to critics of Israel
who are probably the most canceled people of all.
If you're a Palestinian critic of Israel you're very, very, very canceled
if you're a Jewish critic of Israel you're less canceled but you're still canceled
you're just canceled as a self-loathing Jew
as opposed to an anti-semite which is a significant difference.
I mean I was fired by a network for saying that Israel is an apartheid state
so my being Jewish didn't really protect me.
And of course there's a huge bias in the way that corporate media reports on Israel Palestine
they're very clear when Russia does something Russia bombs Russia strikes Russia kills when it's
Israel it's often Palestinians killed in attack Palestinians dead after bombing we even know that
networks and Outlets instruct their writers and reporters not to use certain words like genocide
not even to use the word Palestine in fact the reporting by the New York Times on the alleged
Mass rape used by Hamas was so bad that they had to cancel a podcast that they were going to do
about it because there was so little to back it up now on the other hand you have countless stories
and allegations of Israelis raping Palestinians that got totally ignored it's really fascinating
that we hear time and time again about the 40 beheaded Israeli babies even though there was
no evidence of that and we do have evidence of actually beheaded babies children with their heads
blown off I mean we saw a child literally shredded various representatives of the Israeli government
are never asked about that they're never asked to condemn Israel's violence they're never asked to
condemn Israel's terrorist ISM there was a doctor who was tortured to death if you don't already
feel disturbed by the images of Palestinians or the stories of Palestinians the story of hin RAB
who was left in a car to die when she was begging for help and Israeli soldiers shot up the car and
shot up the ambulance trying to rescue this girl if that doesn't haunt you I would really
urge you to imagine this happening to a Jewish child during the Holocaust I think that Jews
should understand this if anything more than other people because of our history of being targeted of
being otherized of being compared to Vermin of attempted extermination of genocide and ethnic
cleansing and of the world looking the other way that is something that we have to remember that
happened to us we can't let that happen to other people that's not Justice that's not how we honor
those killed in the Holocaust everything that Israel tells you about its founding about its
history and about its role today is a lie some people think oh Israel was founded for Holocaust
Survivors and then it got greedy and took over too much land and and ruined its founding Mission
which was to be a safe haven for juice the truth is it was founded on ethnic cleansing it was not
a Utopia I think it's really eye openening to look at the actual language of early zionists because
they were calling their Banks Colonial trusts they were talking about how natives always resist
colonists in other words it's not just critics of Zionism who describe Zionism as Colonial
it was designs themselves Israeli Society really had a lot of disdain for Holocaust Survivors so
they did something very disgusting they both weaponized the Holocaust to justify their
extermination of Palestinians and they mistreated Holocaust survivors in fact they even refer to
them as sapon which means soap in Hebrew and that was because there was a myth that Nazis turned
Jewish bodies into soap it's not true but that was a myth and the important thing is that people
thought that was true and they thought it would be appropriate to call Survivors by that name Israel
wanted to create a new Jew that was armed that was working the land they were ashamed of the
Jews who were killed they thought that they went to their Slaughter like sheep they were ashamed
of Jews who were religious Jews who were Scholars Jews who were also Cosmopolitan they really did
ironically internalize a lot of anti-Semitism there were Zionist bombings in the Middle East
that were used to scare people into IM migrating out of Iraq out of Morocco and into Israel That's
how little they cared about Jewish people they bombed synagogues in order to get people to leave
the Middle East and go to Israel where they would be mistreated which is what happened to mrai Jews
some were basically put into camps they rejected Yiddish which was spoken by Eastern European
and diasporic Jews and they also rejected Arabic which was spoken by mrai Jews of the Middle East
Yiddish is an amazing language and it's dying out and the reason it's dying out is because
Israel chose to create modern Hebrew which no one spoke and they had a lot of disdain for a
lot of Jewish culture so Israel has always been a racist project in many ways against Palestinians
but even against Jews themselves and it's been an anti-semitic project as well not only is Judaism
obviously much older than Zionism but there was Christian Zionism from the very beginning and
that was fueled by anti-Semitism and the desire to get Jews out of Europe Lord Balor of the Bal
Declaration was a major anti-semite Zionism actually requires anti-Semitism to justify
its existence so for zionists they don't want to defeat anti-Semitism they want to use it
to strengthen the state of Israel it's also true to remember that this is not a conflict
about religion or culture Jews and Christians and Muslims lived in peace in Harmony in many
areas of the Middle East for centuries this is about power this is about land
this goes back to resources this goes back to the West wanting to have a foothold in the
Middle East this is not about religion Jewish anti-zionism has existed since Zionism a lot
of Jews opposed Zionism because they I would say rightly predicted it would create anti-Semitism
there is a very rich radical history of Jewish internationalism during the Spanish Civil War
which many people see as the dry run for World War II among all the international
Brigade so all the volunteers who left their countries to fight in a war against fascism the
most common language spoken was Yiddish which speaks to this tradition if we look at so many
struggles like the civil rights movement in the United States there were lots of Jews involved
in that Jewish people were over represented in that movement if you look at South Africa some
of the most active anti-apartheid activists were Jewish that's the tradition that I'm proud to be
part of not a tradition which weaponizes trauma tragedy and the Holocaust to kill more people
Israel is unsustainable there's no coming back from this something new needs to be created Jews
can live side by side with Muslims and Christians in Palestine just as they have for centuries if
coexistence is so impossible and if anti-Semitism is so impossible to fight against how is it that
Jews live in Germany today Germany was where anti-Semitism turned into the Holocaust cost
and yet somehow Jews are able to live in Germany in safety but we're supposed to believe that they
can't live in Palestine in safety Palestine is not the country that created Adolf Hitler Palestine is
not the country that created the Holocaust the biggest threat to Jewish safety is not
a free Palestine it's Zionism it's essential to challenge the lies and propaganda of mainstream
media you won't see videos like these in the mainstream media which is why it's so important
to support the work of double news on patreon and if I do say so myself the ktie Halper show

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MAGA Ballroom 2028: AI Unveils the Elite's Sinister Power Dance!
Salty Dawg Entertainment
Aug 8, 2025 BILOXI

Dive into the scathing satire of *MAGA Ballroom 2028*! This AI-crafted video rips the veil off the corrupt elite, exposing their grotesque waltz for power with unyielding clarity and precision. As you watch, you will witness a chilling portrayal of political decay that hits like a sledgehammer, leaving no room for denial or complacency. Each scene is designed to provoke thought and ignite conversation about the state of our political landscape. With sharp humor and biting commentary, this video calls out the absurdities and contradictions of those in power. Prepare yourself for a journey that is both entertaining and eye-opening.



Transcript

[Music]
[Applause]
[Music]
person.
Everyone loves us.
They made us great.
We didn't deport them. We erased them.
[Music]
We made America great.
[Applause]
[Music]
[Applause]
[Music]
And that was the end of the first phase
of democracy as laid out by the founding
fathers and the beginning of the
healing.

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White House Makeover - SNL
Saturday Night Live
Nov 1, 2025 #SNL51 #BrandiCarlile #SNL

The Property Brothers (Miles Teller) help Donald and Melania Trump (James Austin Johnson, Chloe Fineman) renovate the White House.



Transcript

-This week on a very special
episode of "Property Brothers"...
-I'm Drew Scott and I'm a real-estate expert.
-I'm his twin brother, Jonathan, and I'm a contractor.
That means I find the perfect property.
-And I actually have to renovate the darn thing.
-This week we're taking on our biggest challenge yet.
-Building the new White House ballroom.
-Hi. You're Property Brothers. -Nice to meet you.
-So which one of you is married to New Girl
and which one of you is the gay? -I'm married to New Girl.
Donald and Melania moved into this house nine years ago.
They were evicted for four years,
but they moved back in.
-Donald has a strong eye for interior design.
-I put these gold urns everywhere,
like a hundred in every room, and that makes me happy.
It's very important to be happy these days.
Really dark stuff happening in the world.
Some of it me.
And here's a crown I just got from my trip to Asia.
Nothing says democracy like a crown, right?
-And his wife, Melania -- Well, she's got a style all her own.
I love these Halloween decorations you put up.
-Those are for Christmas. -Oh.
-The Trumps have already made
a few subtle changes to the house.
-Donald got rid of the portrait of FDR,
and he put a painting of himself as a soldier from "Halo."
-Learned his name is Master Chief.
You know, it's awful.
You can't even say Master Chief anymore, right?
You got to say primary chief.
-They also paved the Rose Garden
and turned it into what looks like outdoor seating
at an Olive Garden.
-But Donald and Melania still feel like something's missing.
-The house is only 55,000 square feet and 132 rooms.
-We need more space, right, honey? We need more space.
-And we need a ballroom because, Donald -- he loves to dance.
-I'm a terrific dancer, a terrific dancer.
Just ask your eyes. Right?
-We asked Donald what his budget was,
and he said between $350 million and infinity.
-And then we asked if he needed a permit,
and Donald laughed really hard.
-He said, "I could build this ballroom with the bones
of my enemies and no one could stop me."
-As opposed to a bonehead like my brother.
-Oh, you hush up.
-We showed Donald our plan for a ballroom
that would match the current proportions,
but he kept clicking enlarge.
I think it's now over the fence into the street.
-They can drive around it.
Oh, and I want a ring for MMA fights.
Official ones, but also casual fights in the backyard.
You know what I'm talking about?
Two mentally ill guys just wailing on each other.
We can do bum fights again.
Remember bum fights? We love bum fights.
-To nail down the style of the ballroom,
we asked Donald to come up with an inspo board.
-This kind of vibe and this guy's.
I don't know if you met him, but he's a great guy.
And then something like this could also be nice.
-I told Donald that our number-one
priority was to preserve the historic nature of the building,
and he sent me back this gif.
-So we demolished the entire East Wing in two days.
-With the government still shut down
and so many workers furloughed,
we were able to force park rangers and astronauts
to do a lot of the demolition.
-Are you sad to lose the historic presidential movie theater?
You know, Bill Clinton called it the best perk
of being president.
-Bill Clinton said that?
He said that the best perk for him was the movie theater?
-Unfortunately, the renovation hit a bit of a snag
when Donald realized he had deported all
the construction workers.
-I pulled into the Home Depot parking lot
and yelled, "Just give me the whites!"
You know, I want the day laborers from Norway and Sweden,
but apparently they don't exist. -But in the end,
we're confident the new ballroom will be a shining beacon
of freedom for all Americans.
-And it'll be ready just in time for my third term.
-That's right. We want this to be our forever home.
-Yes, because we're not leaving.
We're gonna be doing something called coup.
-And we'll make sure that Trump's dream becomes a reality.
If my dumb brother doesn't screw it up.
-Seriously, [bleep] you.
-Thank you so much.
-Okay, I guess the only thing left
is the payment for the construction.
-Aren't you guys from Canada? -Yeah.
-ICE! [ Doors slam open ]
There goes ICE. We like a bigot ICE.
-Spooky. -Very spooky.
It's a very spooky secret-police thing.
-"Property Brothers" -- only on HGTV and Truth Social.

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BREAKING: Judge drops NIGHTMARE ruling for Trump
Brian Tyler Cohen
Nov 9, 2025

Legal Breakdown episode 619: Trump loses troop deployment case on the merits



Transcript

You're watching the legal breakdown,
Glenn. We have some major news here. We
have been watching all of these troop
deployment cases play themselves out in
California, in Oregon, in Chicago,
Illinois, and so far all of the rulings
have been either a temporary restraining
orders or preliminary injunction. So, we
hadn't yet had a case where a judge had
ruled on the merits of Donald Trump's
troop deployments. We finally have a
ruling on the merits, this one out of
Portland. Can you explain what just
happened in court?
Yeah, Brian. Trump appointed judge Karen
Immergut held a trial, a three-day trial
with witnesses, law enforcement
witnesses who testified, federal law
enforcement, state law enforcement,
local law enforcement, hundreds of
documents uh received into evidence. And
she just ruled that Donald Trump
violated federal law. For anybody
scoring at home, 10 USC section 12406.
He violated the 10th amendment to the
Constitution by trying to deploy streets
to Portland, Oregon. And she permanently
enjoined him, prohibited him from
deploying National Guard troops to the
streets of Portland or frankly anywhere
in the state of Oregon. This is now set
in stone. It's a permanent injunction,
meaning it will last for the entire life
of the case unless and until a higher
court decides to reverse it. Yeah. So
now, Brian, this is a permanent
injunction, a permanent prohibition, you
know, preventing Donald Trump from
deploying uh National Guard troops not
only to the streets of Portland, but
anywhere in the state of Oregon. So now
this will remain in place of course
unless and until a higher court of
appeals including the Supreme Court
decides they don't like that ruling and
decides to try to reverse it.
Glenn, does this mark something of of a
paradigm shift in that we've seen so
many judges offer up deference to this
administration, offer up the presumption
of regularity? Was there anything that
Judge Ergot said that that could lend
itself to this idea that finally judges
are waking up, wising up to the fact
that this administration is not acting
in good faith and in fact will weaponize
the law to help themselves?
Yeah, it's a great question because she
not only ruled that he violated federal
law and that he violated the 10th
amendment to the constitution which
separates the states rights from the
federal government's rights. And she
said, "He so clearly and unlawfully,
unconstitutionally stepped over that
line and interfered in the state's right
to run its own National Guard troops."
She not only ruled that it was unlawful
and unconstitutional, but she really
condemned it and she highlighted the
danger of this kind of conduct by a
president of the United States. Let me
read one short paragraph because I have
to tell you it kind of sings. You know,
Judge Imrat is completely unflinching in
the face of Trump's lawlessness. She
says this court acknowledges that some
citizens may support these deployments
as a helpful military supplement to
effectuate the president's immigration
agenda. But the founders embodied their
profound fear and distrust of military
power in the Constitution and its
amendments, which has lived on through
the decades as a traditional and strong
resistance of Americans to any military
intrusion into civilian affairs. In the
Supreme Court's words, even slight
encroachments create new boundaries from
which legions of power can seek new
territory to capture. That is pretty
strong language when she is suggesting
that you know if we ignore the
separation of powers between the federal
government and the states rights you
know there may be new territory that is
captured by inference by Donald Trump
and his lawlessness. She says this
principle has been foundational to the
safeguarding of our fundamental
liberties under the constitution. So,
you know, it just shows that the federal
judges, Brian, including Trump appointed
judges, are unflinching in the face of
Trump's lawlessness and
unconstitutionality.
All right. So, Glenn, we had talked
about the fact that, you know, initially
we had only seen temporary restraining
orders or preliminary injunctions, and
all of the appeals even in the seventh
circuit, even in the Ninth Circuit were
all appeals on those preliminary
injunctions and temporary restraining
orders. And we hadn't yet had a case on
the merits. So, the fact that we have
the first ruling on the merits and it's
against the Trump administration, what
kind of an impact does this have on two
things, the ongoing cases also in LA and
in Chicago, but also the inevitable
appeal up to the Supreme Court?
You know, I don't want to overstate the
sort of atmospheric precedent that this
might set for other jurisdictions where
Trump tries to pull the same
unconstitutional
And the reason I say I I don't
want to be too, you know, broad in
applying this elsewhere is because Judge
Immigr,
you know, she was dealing with was there
was like one block where there was an
ICE facility and back in June there were
some incidents of violence, but really
since then there have it's been
relatively violence-free. She even said,
you know, some of the information
suggests that, yeah, there are still
some dustups around that building in
that oneb block area, but she said, you
know, the dustups are between often
protesters and counterprotesters, and
they're easily handled by kind of
regular civilian law enforcement forces.
So, you know, it's an important
pronouncement and I love some of the
language she used about the danger of
not addressing a violation of the
state's rights by the federal
government. However, it really is
largely bound to the facts as they were
established in the trial that she
conducted. So, you know, there's there's
a little bit of something there for
everybody. the people who would like to
say, "Listen, this should kind of settle
it nationwide." Well, yes and no.
Because it's really ultimately only
settling the circumstances that she
found pursuant to the litigation that
she conducted on on this issue.
Is there any indication from the Trump
team yet whether they're going to
appeal?
Not that I've heard yet. This is a brand
new ruling uh that just came down from
Judge Immigr. When has the Trump
administration not appealed something
that has gone against him?
Well, the reason I asked that though
there there there may be some concern
recognizing that the seventh circuit is
not necessarily uh some, you know, this
is not uh the 11th circuit. It's not
some big conservative bastion. And so,
is there some concern that if they do
appeal a ruling where they lost on the
merits, it's not uh precedent because
it's the trial court, but once it gets
into the appeals court level, then it
does become precedent. And so could that
be any concern or any reason for the
Trump administration maybe to reconsider
uh immediately running up to the uh
appeals court?
Yeah, Brian, there's so many moving
pieces in multiple jurisdictions. You
know, our viewers will probably recall
that there was litigation over Trump's
attempted deployment of National Guard
troops to Chicago. Now, that is on hold
and that's still kind of kicking around
in the seventh circuit court of appeals,
but Donald Trump is trying to bubble
that one up to the Supreme Court. Out in
the Ninth Circuit, which includes both
Oregon and California, um there is some
litigation kicking around, but here's
what I can almost promise. Um not that
I'm happy about it. I think all of these
matters are going to be consolidated.
They're all going to be taken up by the
Supreme Court. And the Supreme Court
will want to announce sort of one
principle, one interpretation of the law
and the Constitution when it comes to
Trump's ability, his authority to
deploy, federalize, and deploy National
Guard troops. And then they will return
it to the various states and the lower
federal courts to implement whatever it
is the Supreme Court comes up with. If I
had to bet my one one buck, which is my
betting limit, it will probably involve
an expansion of presidential power, I'm
just going to take a flyer that that's
what the Supreme Court might do again.
But ultimately, all of this, I'm not
going to say is for not, but it's all
going to make its way up and be
consolidated and decided by the Supreme
Court.
And that was going to be my next
question here. To what extent do you
think that this Supreme Court is even
going to care about any president,
whether it's a president from a trial
court or even precedent from appeals
courts? Well, you know, they have shown
really extreme disrespect for federal
trial court judges and federal courts of
appeals when they put out 100 160 in
some instances page opinions that
meticulously detail all of the precedent
involved, including Supreme Court
president. And you know, the the radical
right-wing majority of the Supreme Court
seems forever determined to throw it all
out without saying why in these shadow
docket decisions and expand presidential
power. Listen, if they found
presidential immunity in the
Constitution, even though the express
terms of the Constitution in a couple of
ways um disallow for presidential
immunity, why do we think they would do
anything but expand presidential power
in the military arena when they have
already said, listen, that's one of the
core constitutional functions of a
president pres of a president that
nobody can touch. So, you know, I'm not
wildly optimistic that we're going to
get a good sort of democracy saving
opinion out of the Supreme Court on this
one.
To that end, what kind of an impact does
this ruling by Judge Immigr have for
you? Like, like does the fact that we
did see a trial court rule on the merits
against Trump's completely baseless
troop deployment? Because remember,
there is no there is no foreign
invasion, there is no insurrection, and
there is no failure of the local
government to effectuate its laws. And
so none of the planks uh that would have
that would have um that would have
facilitated the deployment of troops
domestically were met and and this judge
recognized that and ruled accordingly.
So does that hold any weight for you at
least as you think about the judiciary
kind of holding itself up as a bull work
against Trump? you know, um, generally
the way I look at it is pressure bursts
pipes. And I think there is a certain
pressure generated by federal trial
court judges, particularly ones
appointed by Trump and there are a
number of judges appointed by President
Ronald Reagan, George HW Bush, George W.
Bush who have pretty consistently and
vocally ruled against Donald Trump's
lawlessness, unconstitutionality,
and general abuse of power. All of that
should generate pressure. Now, whether
there is any pressure felt by the
Supreme Court, given that they are above
the law, they have no mandatory code of
ethics. They're the only nine federal
government employees who operate in an
ethics-free zone. They can do whatever
they damn well. Please. I don't know
that they feel the pressure, but I do
think it generates pressure that may be
sort of felt by politicians. It may may
be felt by the American people. When
they see these federal court judges
standing up, doing the right thing,
protecting democracy, abiding by the
rule of law and the constitution, it
becomes a powerful expectation that that
is the way, you know, a democracy is
supposed to operate. So, you know, I
still think it generates pressure. I
just don't know if that pressure bubbles
all the way up to the Supreme Court,
which is really where it needs to be
felt the most because all of the lower
court opinions in the world, no matter
how loyal they are to the Constitution
and the rule of law can be tossed out on
a whim by, you know, the a majority of
the Supreme Court justices.
All right. Well, obviously this is a
story that continues to develop here as
we await an inevitable appeal both to
the circuit court and then the US
Supreme Court. And we're also waiting on
some rulings here in Los Angeles and
Chicago uh on the same issue. And I'm
sure Donald Trump is going to continue
to flex his autocratic muscles and try
and deploy troops to other cities. And
so there's a lot happening right here.
So for those who are watching, if you
want to follow along, please make sure
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Tyler Cohen
and I'm Glenn Kersner.
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US Judge permanently blocks National Guard deployment in Portland for ICE protests
by: Jenna Deml, Joelle Jones
koin.com
Posted: Nov 7, 2025 / 09:10 AM PST
Updated: Nov 7, 2025 / 06:30 PM PST
https://www.koin.com/news/portland/imme ... 11-7-2025/

ORTLAND, Ore. (KOIN) — After granting a preliminary injunction barring any troop deployment in Portland, U.S. Judge Karin Immergut ruled Friday to permanently extend the order, noting any state’s National Guard cannot be sent to Oregon.

Coming right up to the point the injunction was set to expire, Judge Immergut also granted a stay for a period of 14 days on troops who had already been federalized, but not deployed.

Oregonians begin receiving SNAP benefits Friday morning

“Today’s ruling is a huge victory for Oregon. The courts are holding this administration accountable to the truth and the rule of law,” Oregon Attorney General Dan Rayfield said in a statement Friday evening. “From the beginning, this case has been about making sure that facts, not political whims, guide how the law is applied. Today’s decision protects that principle.”

Immergut, a Trump appointee, presided over a three-day trial earlier last week. She previously issued two temporary restraining orders in the case, blocking the troops pending further litigation.

Judge Immergut has been involved in this case since September, when Oregon first sued to block the Trump administration from federalizing the National Guard.

According to Professor Tung Yin with Lewis & Clark Law School, her preliminary injunction order indicated she would side with the State of Oregon in the final ruling, as she repeatedly cited the “irreparable harm” Oregon would suffer if the troops were deployed in violation of the Tenth Amendment.

“Who does she believe? From the preliminary injunction order, it seems like she really believes much more of what the Portland Police Bureau officers had to say and other local officials, than she believed what ICE agents and others were saying,” said Professor Tung Yin with Lewis & Clark Law School.

DHS fast-tracks new rules governing masks and violence near federal facilities
Immergut also previously took issue with the Trump Administration’s use of the word “rebellion” to characterize the need to send troops to Portland.

In early October, Judge Immergut ruled in favor of the Oregon’s proposed restraining order, saying the relatively small protests in Portland did not justify the use of federalized forces. She also said allowing the deployment would harm Oregon’s state sovereignty.

When President Trump then attempted to deploy troops from California and Texas, Oregon leaders filed another restraining order that was also approved by Immergut.

However, the Trump Administration’s appeal for the first case was won in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in Oregon. Federal attorneys then filed the motion to dissolve the second TRO on the same basis. This gave way to Sunday’s granting of the preliminary injunction.

Awaiting her decision, a handful of demonstrators gathered outside the Portland ICE facility on Friday to make their voices heard. This was a peaceful scene compared to the larger protests that prompted federal action in September.

“He’s saying we’re burning down. I mean, look around. It’s a beautiful day in Portland, right in front of the ICE Facility, and everything’s fine,” protester Mike “The Clown” told KOIN 6 News. “People are driving by, going to work. There’s no need for troops here –and those are our troops. We pay for them, our tax dollars!”

Since Judge Immergut sided with the state, Professor Yin noted he expects the losing side will appeal to the 9th Circuit Court regardless.

Portland Mayor Keith Wilson released the following statement in response to the ruling:

“As I have said from the beginning, the number of federal troops needed in our city is zero, and today’s court ruling vindicates Portland’s position while reaffirming the rule of law that protects our community. Portland values the Constitutional right to free speech, and we will defend those rights. We will continue fighting in court and working with state and community partners to ensure public safety, protect civil rights, and stand up for our immigrant community.”

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Tucker Carlson on Why He Interviewed Nick Fuentes and What He Wanted to Convey To Him
Megyn Kelly
Nov 6, 2025

Megyn Kelly is joined by Tucker Carlson to discuss his decision to interview Nick Fuentes, why he speaks with controversial figures to understand their thinking, what he wanted to convey to Fuentes, what he thought of him after, and more.


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Transcript

I'm so happy we are having this moment.
Well, I'm so grateful to be here.
I didn't think I'd ever leave my house
again. We had Nazi week this week and I
so I turned off my phone.
Yeah,
I have Nazi week about once a year.
Have you Have you
for like 30 years and now I'm just like
I I can't do I
You have any big interviews lately? How
how's everything going? I I literally
went on a hunting trip and my wife had
put Starlink in our hunting camp which I
was totally opposed to but there was a
sense that like I needed to be in touch
and my phone went off. We're like on the
Canadian border and hunting with my
college roommates and all of a sudden I
checked my phone is you know you have
400 texts and they're like ni and I was
like turning this off. I still haven't
replied yet.
Unsubscribe.
No I' I've been through this before.
Yes.
Yes. Yes. Of course you have. I mean
everybody has. As I was, you know, just
recounting, I was a racist in literally
every newspaper in the country. It's
like this is what they say. They go to
the worst possible place to paint
anything you do as an attempt, I think,
to delegitimize you. So, let's talk
about it. Let's talk about why Nick
Fuentes.
I interviewed Fuentes. Well, I should
just give the publicly available uh
information on this, which is that I was
in an extremely personal and bitter war
with Fuentes like three weeks ago. Um,
it mostly wasn't public, but Fuentes was
attacking my father, a subject I have
like literally no sense of humor. My
father passed in in um in March and, you
know, was really kind of the patriarch.
Not kind of, he was the patriarch in our
family and a hero to every person in our
family. And, you know, some of what
Fantessa was saying about my dad was,
you know, true, okay, which made it
worse. Um, but I was just so offended by
that I couldn't deal with it. and uh and
my son and my wife. So, you know, I was
really mad at Fuentes and then I did an
interview and just out of the I was so
mad it like popped out and I attacked
Nick Fuentes
uh in this interview. This was last
month, I think, is um and then I got all
these calls from people saying, "Do you
know anything about I don't know
anything really about Nick Fuentes other
than he's attacking my dad, my wife, and
my son." And it was like actually Nick
Fentes is the single most influential
commentator among young men like period.
He's got 5 million subscribers on
Rumble.
It's bonkers. And I didn't know any of I
mean I'm 56, so I'll just like state the
obvious, you know, like our demo.
My oldest child is 31, like much older
than Nick Quenta. So I kind of missed a
lot of this stuff. I pride myself on not
missing things. I totally missed that
really. And then it turns out that, you
know, he has no advertisers. They've
been trying to cancel him since freshman
year in college. Ben Shapiro actually
tried to shut him down freshman year in
college and it didn't work. In fact, it
had the opposite effect. So, I was like,
hm. And so, I talked to a million people
I know like maybe I should interview
Nick Fentes to hear what like what is
this actually?
Uh, and so I decided to do it and I
thought it would be controversial. I
didn't think it would become what it's
become. Um, I'm not going to offer any
defense other than, you know, it's kind
of interesting. I've literally I mean
I've interviewed any I'm doing this for
34 years so I've interviewed everybody
most of them bad people to be honest
right
I interviewed Liberian
militia leaders during the Liberian
civil war all cannibals every single one
of them it tasted human flesh
and first of all I kind of like them I'm
just being honest because I like people
don't agree with cannibalism pretty
opposed
for the record
but I'm just that way I just like people
and the closer if you can like smell
someone and talk to them like it's hard
to not see the human in the person even
if he's cannibal.
Did the Liberian cannibal smell good?
Kind of rank to be honest. Actually,
during the interview, this is I'll never
forget this.
I was in Africa for to cover the Civil
War and I'm interviewing this guy and he
was like, you know, Commander Butt Naked
or it wasn't actually Commander Butt
Naked, who was a famous militia leader
during that war who fought, needless to
say, Butt naked.
But I'm interviewing this guy and his
cell phone goes off and it's the Woody
Woodpecker theme song.
And I was like, "Oh my gosh, you're
human." And it was like hilarious.
Anyway, the point is none of those were
controversial. Like I interview people
who are hated and in some cases like
demonstrably evil. And I asked them why
did you do that and what you know what's
your account of yourself? Like tell me
who you are. What do you believe?
And I wanted to that was the first thing
I wanted to achieve with Nick was like
what is this? Tell me you know I'll give
you two hours. I have only watched your
clips are like a minute long. I want to
hear like why don't you describe what
you think cuz I think that's the small
role that I play which is to get
documentary evidence of people
describing what they think. I did it
with Putin. I'll probably do it with
every other bad person in the world
because I'm interested not because I
agree with him because I think it's
interesting. And second, I wanted to say
something very specific to Nick Fuentes
and it's this and I said it which is I
think it's totally legitimate to
criticize any foreign country from
Belgium to Congo to Israel because
they're foreign countries.
Yes.
And I'll never give up that right. In
fact, it's an obligation, I would say,
and to be reasonable about it and not,
you know, but what's in America's
interest. Totally legitimate. It is
totally illegitimate and very
specifically uncchristian
to attack people for their DNA. Like I
hate this group.
You wanted him to hear that.
He has We all have to hear that. And
because that is the basis of Western
civilization. Western civilization is
derived from the New Testament. It is
based on Christian ethics. And the core
difference between the West and the rest
of the world, not just Israel, but every
other country is that we don't believe
in collective punishment because we
don't believe in blood guilt. We don't
believe that you are born guilty. And we
also don't believe that you're born
virtuous. We believe that God created
every person as an individual. God did
not create communities.
Every woman gives birth to a human
being. And every person has the spark of
God inside him. I mean that's what we
believe as Christians and every person
has the possibility of redemption and in
my religion the great human hero in
Christianity Jesus is God in human form
but the great human hero in the New
Testament is its primary author Paul who
was Saul of Tarsus who was the primary
persecutor as a Pharisee of Christians
he was murdering Christians he was a
he's Jewish by the way like everyone in
the in the New Testament but he was on
the way to go murder more Christians
that he met Jesus and then he became the
great evangelist of our faith faith and
wrote the majority of the New Testament.
So like he's my personal hero, but he's
also living testament to the truth about
people which is each one of us was born
in as an individual and we will face God
alone at the end to account for our
lives and along the way there is always
the possibility that no matter what your
genes are, what you look like or what
your religion is that you can change and
that you can be saved by Jesus. That is
Christianity in three sentences. And so
that is reflected even for people who
aren't Christians that is reflected in
an ethical framework and a legal code
that is the only truly unusual and great
thing about the west which is we do not
punish the innocent. We only punish the
guilty. We do not you commit a crime, we
don't throw your kids in jail. We don't
execute your cousins. We don't commit
genocide against your whole tribe. We
punish you because you did it. We treat
each person as an individual. That is
western civilization. That's a Christian
understanding. Does not derive from any
other religion. Christianity alone alone
unique makes that claim. And that's the
base of justice system which again even
non-Christians appreciate. That's why
they move here because it's
self-evidently more humane. That's where
the idea of human rights come from.
They're not collective rights. It's not
that your tribe has rights and his tribe
does and it's you as an individual have
rights. And that idea
is not only being challenged in our
country, it's being disregarded.
It's disregarded in DEI. It's
disregarded in affirmative action.
Identity politics is a reputation of
that idea. We are awarding some people
something because of how they were born
and hurting others for the same reason.
That is anti-western. It's evil. And it
leads in the end
inexorably to genocide. That is the root
idea behind what happened in Europe in
the 40s under the Nazis. It's the root
idea behind what happened in Rwanda in
1994. It's the root idea just saying
behind what's happening in Gaza right
now where it's like we're going to kill
the kids too. We don't care and we're
going to, by the way, move everyone out
because they're a people that is
fundamentally opposed to us. Yeah. Well,
I'm not for that. Sorry. Cuz that's not
the Western understanding of justice. We
punish the guilty alone. We do not
punish the innocent. Period.
And that's not racism. And in fact, it's
the it's the answer to racism. It's the
answer to anti-semitism. It's why
anti-semitism is wrong. It's why racism
is wrong. No, you're not better than me.
No, you're not worse than me because of
how you were born. You're the same as me
because we were both created by God.
Period. So the whole idea of thinking of
people as members of tribes, any tribe,
including my tribe, is primapaciacia
immoral. And yet it is the operating
idea behind so much of our politics. And
I reject it. I reject it when it
manifests as anti-semitism. I reject it
when it manifests as anti-white racism,
which is, you know, been pretty common.
I know we're not supposed to say it, but
it's real. But I'm not mad about that
just because my kids are white, which
they are. I'm mad about that because the
idea is immoral. It's anti-Christian.
And that is the destruction of the West.
And so when I see these people like,
"We're defending Western." When Mark
Levin's like, "We're defending Western
civilization." Randy Fine who's like,
"Yeah, we just have to kill every
Palestinian because they're Palestinians
so we can defend Western civilization."
I'm like, "No, no, no. You're the enemy
of Western civilization because
collective punishment is the enemy of
Western civilization." Period. Wow.
That's what I wanted to say and I said
it and they called me a Nazi and I'm
like actually I hate the Nazis for that
specific reason.
But wait, what what I hear you saying
sort of is that you wanted to reach him.
You wanted him.
Of course I want to I want to reach him
and everyone watching.
But were you were you trying to help him
in a way?
I want to tell the truth as I understand
it with the everpresent knowledge that
I'm kind of a buffoon and I'm often
wrong. I supported the Iraq war. I
remind that myself of that every single
day. I've made a ton of mistakes, a ton
of errors and judgments. I've been
carried away by enthusiasm and
particularly by anger many times in my
life. So with that knowledge, knowing
that I am imperfect and I don't always
possess the truth. Okay, you always have
to remember that because I'm not God. I
still want to tell the truth as clearly
and completely as I can in every venue,
in every conversation, as fearlessly and
without shame as I possibly can. And
that's why Nazi week doesn't bother me
anymore because I'm not a Nazi. I'm a
Christian,
of course.
So, what about I don't want to spend the
whole time on this, but I am curious.
The the main criticism, as I understand
it, has been, well, yes, platforming,
they say that. I don't accept
platforming as an as an valid objection.
What is that a verb, by the way? You
take a noun and you make it into a verb
and nobody says anything. As a former
editor, I say no.
Yeah, agreed. Honestly, but like as far
as I know, Nick Fuentes hasn't eaten
anyone, you know? I mean, Jeffrey Dmer
ate people and he was platformed by Dian
Sor. Dude, we have a member, a sitting
member of Congress. I spoke to the
speaker of the house about this today.
We have a sitting member of Congress
from Florida called called Randy Fine
who is literally texted or put on
Twitter, we should kill them all. Every
single one. Someone texted a picture of
a of literally of a dead baby and he
laughs at it.
And it's like this guy's a lawmaker
who's appropriating money to a military
committing genocide and that's cool.
It's not cool. And let's just be honest,
that is much worse than anything Nick
Fuentes has said. Period.
So the main push back has been when you
had Jeffrey Dmer or the Kulux Clan, etc.
These journalists went after them like
exposed the terrible things and Nick
Fuentes has said a long list of very
vile things
big time including attacking my dad
which was the most vile of all in my
opinion.
Yeah. I mean, I personally have watched
videos of him questioning the Holocaust.
Likening it to baking cookies in the
oven and there's no way you could have
gotten to six million seems to be his
theory. He seem he thinks to seem to
think that we've way overstated the
number of Jews killed in the Holocaust.
He's ripped on poor Usha Vance in the
most offensive terms, which I mean, so
so what do you say to those people say,
"Why don't you why didn't you raise any
of that?"
You know, do your own interview the way
that you want to do it. You're not my
editor. Buzz off. I mean, I don't know.
You want to go yell at Nick Fuentes?
I'll give you a cell. Call him and go
sit and yell at him and feel virtuous or
whatever. That's up to you. I got the
same thing with Putin. Why aren't you
yelling at him? Okay. Why? So I can show
that I'm a good person. I care about
what my wife thinks, my children think,
and God thinks, and that's it. I don't
need to prove that I'm a good person to
you. You may think I'm a terrible
person. Okay? I'm just doing my thing,
which is I want to understand what
people think. And I'm committed to that.
And if you don't like it, don't watch.
That's my view. But that doesn't mean
that I share the views. I'm not telling
Nazi jokes obviously or or Holocaust
jokes. I mean, please.
Um, and I don't, you know, I'm not
telling them even in private because I'm
not into that at all. But I will say
just since you brought it up, one thing
that did bother me was the Usha Vance
thing. And I did actually I generally
make it a practice not to be like you
said this and da da da da and the
internet tells me or you know the ADL
says you said this. It's like why don't
you just tell me what you do think? Like
why don't you speak for yourself cuz
we're adults. That is my approach with
everybody whether I like him or don't
like him. But the Usha Vance thing did
upset me because I know Usha Vance and I
love Usha Vance and I was really
offended by that just personally because
I know her, right? And um in a normal
way and I did think about that like that
pissed me off and I
I'm just being as honest as I can be. I
didn't want to repeat it.
Yeah. No, you're always
as a journalist you're always there like
do I repeat it?
Well, if you know the person
and spread it or
kind of and it's like so wounding and I
mean he attacked my wife as I said. So I
don't I don't know. I I'm sensitive on
this. Maybe I made the wrong call by the
way probably.
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Tucker Carlson Interviews Nick Fuentes
by Tucker Carlson
The Tucker Carlson Show
Oct 27, 2025

The Nick Fuentes interview.



Transcript

The Origins of Nick Fuentes
Nick Fuentes, thank you for doing this. Yeah, thank you for having me. I wanted to meet you. I've heard about you. I've heard about you. So, thank you. Um,
I want to understand what you believe and I want to give you a chance in a minute to just
lay it out. Not what you're pivoting against, which are a lot of the same thing. You know, I agree with you on some of the things you're pivoting against for sure, but what do you
affirmatively believe? So, I just want to stand back and let you explain it. But first, I want to understand how you got to where you are, how you became Nick Fuentes. So, here's I'm just This is
my understanding of your life arc. And tell me if I'm wrong. You show up at Boston University.
You grew up in a suburb of Chicago, kind of working class, um, suburb of western suburb,
and you show up at Boston University in the fall of 2016 at the height of the well,
the battle between Trump and Hillary. It's like this kind of pivot point in history and you show up with a MAGA hat and you have a Trump hat and you have like basically off-the-shelf Republican
views. Yes. And so describe what the views that you had then and then describe what happened.
Yeah. So, when I was in high school, I was very political. I was reading a lot of the libertarian stuff, Austrian school, Chicago school, economic uh type literature,
cuz that's what was popular at the time. If you went online in the mid early 2010s, that's all the
conservative content there really was. That was the most extremely online type economics. Well,
uh, yeah. Yeah. Basically kind of the remnant of the Ron Paul revolution. Yes, the Young Americans for Liberty. Um, Prageru, which kind of skews a little more, I guess, conservative, but very
basic small government, individualism, libertarian type stuff. So, you you watch Prageru videos? Oh,
yeah. I was in the Prager force. What's that? It's a Facebook group for college kids and they promote
the Prageru videos. Wow. Oh, that's to the college students and high school. So, you really were a
product of the moment. Absolutely. And how'd you feel about Trump? Well, initially I didn't like
Trump when the primary started in 2015. I was I considered him to be a statist. Yeah. Which sounds
so ridiculous now. No, a lot of people thought that. Yeah. And I was a libertarian, so I saw
him as a big government 1990s liberal. He when he was asked about healthc care, he said, "Well,
we'll take care of everybody." And I said, "I'm a Rand Paul guy, Ted Cruz guy." Those were kind of
my people back in 2015. You like Ted Cruz? I was a cruise missile. Does Cruz know that? I don't think
so. No, I was actually on his campaign. You were on the Ted Cruz campaign? I don't know if I was
on the campaign, but I door knocked in a little village in Chicago in McKinley Park for Ted Cruz.
No way. In the Illinois primary. Did he write you a thank you note? No, I didn't get a thank you.
Um, he lost so I guess. Yeah, he did. He did in a very humiliating way. Uh, so wow, that's Wow,
that's amazing. So, um, so what happened? So I like everybody else in 2016 went through this
ideological awakening and first I shifted to Trump and the first realization that I had is it started
in 2016 actually cuz the primary you know started in 15 around April or May I think the first
announcements and I had very negative feelings about Trump and like I said pro Rand Paul pro Cruz
but when the actual Iowa caucus happened and the primaries began I saw that Trump was dominating
and every night in the Super Tuesday uh when they had all the big contests one after the other, I
remember the media was furious that he was winning one after the other. And I remember thinking to
myself like structurally, if I'm a libertarian or a conservative and we want to change the country,
we have to win elections. If you want to win elections, you have to bypass the media. I sort of had this realization that the media was really standing in the way. they were the problem. And I
had this realization that all the conservatives and Republicans up to that point were afraid to
take on the media. They like Mitt Romney would cower before them and were so apologetic and so
weak. And so initially I said, you know, I don't I actually don't ideologically agree with Trump
at all, but he will destroy the liberal media or at least their monopoly on thought and opinion.
Yes. And then a breakthrough can occur. So that was kind of the first hump and I said, you know,
I could get behind Trump because he's a winner. He'll win for our side. And that was kind of the
first big thing. And then as I listened to him more and more, his speeches and his rhetoric,
I started to think about immigration, which you hadn't really considered before. Never. And the reason why is because I was from a 95% white suburb. So the diversity had not
really reached my corner of Chicago yet. Um, we were me and my family, not so much my family,
they grew up in the city, but growing up in the suburbs, I was insulated from that. So,
it was just not even It's actually You're going to love this. This is I don't know if I've ever even
said this on an interview before. I was listening to Mark Levin's show. This goes to show how normie
I was. Actually, I listen to him every day. You listen to Mark Leavvin every day? In high school?
Yes. Wow. I was a fan. I loved his show and I actually liked how uh he was kind of obnoxious and
mean to his callers. Vicious and I liked that. I thought that was funny. But I'll never forget one
show he goes live and he says, "America's becoming a majority non-white country. Does anybody think
that's a good idea?" And I was thinking to myself, "Yeah, that actually doesn't sound so good. I I
didn't really even think that America's becoming majority minority like that." And wait, so you
were radicalized on race by Mark Levin? Yes. Are you making that up? Is that's that's a real story.
Amazing. Mhm. He planted the seed at least. And then I saw a graphic on 4chan or Twitter, and
I'm sure you've seen something similar. It said, "This is what the map looks like, the electoral map. If only men vote, if only women vote. If only whites vote. If only non-whites vote."
And it became very obvious what the electoral problem is. It's demographics. These immigrants are coming here. They're going to turn Texas blue like they turned California blue. I saw it happen.
Yeah. And you know, you look at even the opinion polls, these people don't believe in free speech.
They don't believe in the Constitution, the Second Amendment, as a libertarian, the things that are, and as American, things that are important to you, they don't believe, they don't understand
these things. And so I said, that's another political obstacle. You've got the media,
you've got immigration. So, I'm thinking like, well, we're going to vote for Ted Cruz. He's going
to be the constitutionalist. We'll vote for Rand Paul. He'll be the libertarian. But what stands in the way of political power for us? It's the media and it's immigration. So, I said, "Well,
we got to get Trump to beat the media, build the wall, deport the illegals, and once we set the
country straight, then we can actually have our constitutional republic back." That was kind of the idea, and that's the mindset that I had going into college. Amazing. So then what happened? So
I go to college and I'm just at that point a huge Trump supporter. And you got to understand for me,
for my generation, so I was 18. I turned 18 in August 2016. And to us, Trump. That's amazing.
Yeah. Well, cuz we're like the first generation that was influenced by Trump coming of age in that moment. No, I say it's amazing because when you're living in something, you don't appreciate its full
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It's transformative. And you know, so for us, he was like the savior of Western civilization. We
looked at him as like we, and by we, I mean me and all the online kids, teenagers that supported him,
we really believed the hype. Like Teflon Don like he could go into any scenario and win.
Like he was unstoppable, unflapable. nobody could score points on him. He he just seemed like you
you know they they said you can't stump the Trump like he could not be stumped. And so we he just had this aura of inevitability, invincibility and we I loved that. And so I went to Boston
University. I got on campus in September and I was wearing my MAGA hat everywhere in the dining hall,
walking down the street and it's a city campus. So you're walking down Commonwealth Avenue and
you know you're in the city of Boston which is super liberal and at that time it's different than it was now. People were getting fired for wearing MAGA hats. People were getting punched
in the face. It was like being a Trump supporter was it was out there actually back then. It was
controversial. It was controversial everywhere, not even, you know, just in liberal Boston. But
so I was wearing my hat everywhere and I was just getting accosted constantly in the dining
hall. People would come up and yell in my face. Some black girl in a hijab ran up to me and said, "You know what? You're supporting. You're racist. This and I'm trying to get my pizza. You know, I'm
trying to get my oatmeal or whatever at the dining hall. This was happening constantly." And so I was
going then on Twitter and I had a small Twitter account with my real name and face and I had, you know, maybe 200 followers. and I'm posting about my experiences and I caught the attention of
a lot of people on campus for wearing the hat, for posting on Twitter and they found my You've only
been there like a month less weeks, maybe three weeks. This is starting to kick up and I I catch
the attention of my peers and they start going at me on Twitter and giving me death threats. We're
going to kill you. How dare you? Uh if I see you, I'm going to beat your ass. That kind of thing.
And this was my first experience with this. Um, you know, now we're all kind of desensitized to it, but that was my first runin with like, you know, this intensity from the left. So, I file a
police report. I get real nervous. And, you know, when you're a student, you can't really avoid other people. You're in a dorm room. You're in the, you know, so you're vulnerable. And anyway,
long story short, so one of these guys from the campus libertarian group, Young Americans for
Liberty, he reaches out to me and says, "Hey, uh, I'm I'm not going to say his name, but he goes,
I I go to a school in Boston. I'm from YAL." He said, "And I'd like to set up a debate with you
and one of these people that's been giving you a hard time on campus because they were doing a lot of events." He said, "Is that something you're interested in?" I said, "Absolutely."
And so he goes around and he asks some of the bigger people that are antagonizing me on Twitter and everybody says no. And he goes, "Yeah, no one's going for it." I said, 'Well, can you
try again? Can you? And so he finds one guy and it turns out to be the student body president
of the whole university. Be you. Yeah. The senior, this liberal douchebag progressive. Uh,
and he's the student body president of the student government there. And so we set up the debate. It
was about a week before the actual election. So I think it was end of October, beginning of November and they hold it in this auditorium in the in the center of the campus and like 300 people show up.
So it turns into like this huge and they're all liberal. They all hate my guts. They're heckling me the whole time. They're yelling at me. We do this debate about Trump versus Hillary. And so I'm
there and I'm I'm proTrump and I say, you know, I think Trump's going to win. And I'm straight up like ripping the Ben Shapiro talking points. I'm saying, you know, it's got everything to do with
culture and nothing to do with race and diversity is a problem and all this. And I decisively win
the debate. It's like not even close. The debate wraps up and this girl who I I think I had talked
to her on Twitter once or twice comes running up to the stage after the debate and it's Cassie
Dylan. And at this time, she's a fellow at Daily Wire, Ben Shapiro's company. And like I said,
I I barely knew her. and she comes running up and she says, "Oh my gosh, I live streamed this debate
on Periscope on Twitter." She said, "And 30,000 people watched it and you have like five job
offers. You did incredible." I said, "Wow, I don't know what to say. That that's great." She goes,
"Uh, you're 18 years old." Yes. So, it's like happening very quickly for me, you know. And
she goes, "Do you want to do a postgame interview uh after the debate?" I said, "Sure." And so she
asked me about how I thought the debate went and what my views are and things like that and uh you know very normal stuff. And then at the end she says, "I just got back from doing study
abroad in Israel." She goes, "And it was amazing. Would you ever take a trip to Israel?" And I said,
"No, I think I got everything I need right here in America." And she goes, "Oh, okay." And she
wraps up the interview. And that was a little bit of foreshadowing. And this begins a relationship,
not a romantic relationship, but we we become friends and we start talking and she's plugged in,
like I said, a daily wire. She's talking to people at Right Side Broadcasting Network, the College Republicans. I start to develop this friendship with her. And
um over time, she lands me this show on Right Side Broadcasting Network. And in this time,
I'm really starting to lean into America first. I'm becoming more proTrump as time goes on. And
The Beginning of Fuentes’s America First Mission
what really stood out to me was Trump's inaugural address in January 17th. This was just a couple months later. And in Trump's inaugural, he says famously, "A new vision will govern our land.
It's going to be only America first. America first." And I said, "That's me." Like, that's
what I believe. I'm an American nationalist. Me, too. Fully at this point. Not even a conservative.
And there was one thing that happened just before that that really struck me as strange.
And I've told this story before. Um I'm not going to spend too much time on it, but suffice to say,
Barack Obama in the lame duck period. So he he the Democrats lost the election. He's on his way out.
There's a resolution in the Security Council condemning the settlements in the West Bank in Israel. And typically the US delegation will veto those resolutions condemning Israel. Well,
Obama's on his way out. He's got nothing to lose. So, the US delegation abstains from the resolution
and it passes. And Fox News and all the pro-Israel conservatives are calling him an anti-semite.
They're saying he hates Jews. He's an anti-semite. He hates Israel. And I saw that and it struck me
as strange because it seemed hypocritical. It seemed like how when conservatives would critique
anything about race, we got called racist. Or anything about feminism, we got called sexist.
All Obama did was uphold US policy on the West Bank that we've had since ' 67,
which is we don't support the settlements. I said, "How is it anti-semitic to just be consistent on
our US foreign policy?" Like I said, which is a Republican Democrat consensus? And I got attacked
for this. I wrote a big article about this. I tweeted about it. I tweeted to Ben Shapiro. I
The Daily Wire’s Efforts to Destroy Fuentes
said, 'You know, I've never seen anything on the Daily Wire that's actually critical of Israel.
And he quote tweets me. And at this time, I have a thousand followers on Twitter. How old are you?
I'm 18. I'm a freshman. You're still a freshman in college? Yeah. And this is even before I started
my show, and I don't know, I probably got a 100 likes on this tweet. It wasn't a viral tweet. He
quote tweets me and says to accuse a Jew of dual loyalty is the shest sign of anti-semitism. And
like this is how it sort of begins. And I see this tweet and by the way that was on Christmas Eve in
2016. He immediately called you an anti-semite. Mhm. So I'm driving to uh Christmas Eve mass with
my family and I see on Twitter the notification comes up. Ben Shapiro quote tweets me calling me
an anti-semite. And I was like, what is this? Like, why is this guy attacking me, you know,
because I don't have a platform at this time. I'm not an influential guy or anything. And so then I
put out another tweet similar. I said something like, "If you're China first, you should live in
China. If you're Mexico first, you should live in Mexico. If you're Israel first, maybe you should go live in Israel." And again, he quote tweets me and says, "You're an anti-semite that same night."
This was I I think a couple weeks later, happened a little bit further down the line. And so, were
you surprised that he knew you were? Yeah, I was. I was surprised at why he cared. Yeah. Because I'm
thinking, how does he even know who I am or what I'm about? And it turned out that Cassie Dylan,
she had texted him earlier and she wanted him to take me under his wing. She texted him after that
debate and said, "You know, you you really like this guy. He's amazing. He did this great debate." She goes, "But he's a little too proTrump. He's a little too Trumpy." And he goes,
"I'll take a look." And so, I guess the two of them were kind of like grooming me in a sense.
They wanted me to go maybe and be a Daily Wire or maybe looking me as a potential conservative
activist or influencer. And so they started paying attention to me. And the more critical of Israel I
was, I started to get this really intense push back from the both of them and from a lot of the people at Daily Wire. Why do you think so? You're an 18-year-old college freshman. You're
clearly talented and you're engaged. you're really interested and you ask not not crazy
questions like what what is this? Mhm. And rather than explain it, they just call you a racist,
call you an anti-semite. Like that's the first response. That seems like the least effective. Well, it turned out to be not very effective in your case, but that seems like the least effective
thing you could do. Why do you think they did that? Well, I I think that you have to look at
it not in retrospect because hindsight is 2020 and so looking back you could say they made a
terrible mistake because look at sort of what they provoked or what they catalyzed. But at that time
you got to consider I'm 18 with no following with no network. I'm coming from the suburbs
of Chicago. My parents didn't go to college. I have no connections. And so for them, it was very
easy that if they detected that a promising young guy was going to become anti-Israel in
the conservative movement, they could crush that person easily and grind them under the heel. So,
they sort of were alerted, oh, there's a precocious young guy that isn't on board with Israel. We'll keep an eye on him and if he gets too vocal or popular, we'll cut him down. We'll
crush him. Cuz at this time, as you know, in 2017, it's a very different time. 201617, any criticism
or disscent on the subject was a death sentence. You became radioactive, unhirable, blacklisted.
And that's exactly what happened. And basically from then on, it was just this escalating series
of blacklisting, censorship, hit pieces, rumors to try to ostracize me from the movement. And while
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seems like a big part of your political evolution. Yes. You went from a fanacolyte to an opponent and
then just pivoted against everything. Yeah. That he believes. Yeah. It was because it was this new
dialectic that Trump forced. Yeah. Trump planted the seed and the seed was America first. Yes. So
once you accept that, a lot of the way we're doing things becomes impossible to support or justify.
Right. The contradiction becomes apparent. It gets moved to the center and it becomes unignorable if you're consistent. So what kind of efforts did they make to make you go away?
So, this is a couple of months down the line. You know, first they would try to dissuade me from
asking questions because I was friends with a lot of the Daily Wire writers, not just Cassie Dylan, but many of them. Many of them were Jewish. And I would ask them point blank. I would say, "So,
why do we give Israel all this money? $3.8 billion per year. What What is that for?" And they would
say, "Well, you know, there's a really good answer for that, but you're asking it in the wrong way. you're asking it in an anti-semitic way, I'd say, I'm just I'm asking for the proof. You know,
what's what's the argument there? And so, first it was the sort of, "Hey, man, could you kind
of tone it down? Maybe just don't bring that up so much." But I was persistent because at
this time I was genuinely inquisitive. I wanted to know, is there an actual reason? And I was actually expecting that there was a really good reason for all of it. And the more that I read,
the more that I dug into the subject, the more I found out there's a lot of these neocon Jewish
types behind the Iraq war. There's the foreign aid complex, which is really unique. There's APAC,
which is this intense foreign lobby where it's bipartisan. It seems to be the only thing that the the parties can agree on. And so it just made me burn more with curiosity. So I I just kept asking
them and eventually they said, "You know what? we're not going to talk to you anymore. And these were my friends. I met them, went to Christmas parties with them. And all of them one day said,
"You're done. We're blocking you. We're never going to speak to you again. We're never going to have you on our show." And I said, "Wow." Like this this seems like inhuman. I'm struck
by how impersonal this is. Like here, I thought we're friends. We're all conservatives. Maybe
we disagree on one issue. Now I'm being cancelled by the right. So, I was shocked by this. When was
this? This was February or March 2017. So, you're still a freshman in college? Yes. Do Are you even
paying attention to college at this point? No, not at all. And I my grades started to suffer cuz I
was just really focused on this. So, that's pretty young to get cancelled and pretty young to have
friendships destroyed over politics like that's usually, you know, like decades down the line, right? What did you do? Well, I just became more emboldened. And so I I took this story on my show.
At this time I was on RSBN and I had this show which I named after the inaugural. It's called
America First. And I would kind of subtly bring up the Israel topic and say, you know, this is
something you're not allowed to talk about. This seems like an apparent contradiction. It's a big problem. And they escalated their attacks. Cassie Dylan would call my boss, who she was friends with
at RSBN every day for weeks, saying, "You'll never believe what Nick said on his show tonight. It's
so racist. It's so bad. You got to take him off the air. It's going to make you look bad." And I
would then get word from my boss, Joe Seals. He was the founder at Right Side. And he would call
me up and say, "I don't know what has gotten into Cassie. I thought you guys were friends, but she is calling me every day hysterically demanding that I fire you. And I was like,
wow. Like, so it it just keeps getting worse. It starts with this like they're very weird about the
subject. Then they don't want to talk to me. Then they're trying to get me fired. And I'm thinking, okay, so clearly what I'm asking about, there's some truth there that they don't want. Did any
I should have asked you this earlier. Did anyone during the course of you know pre-cancellization
say to you here are the reason you're not asking the question correctly but there are
reasons that are foreign aid to Israel is so high like and here's what they are they did
but in a very general and vague way as you know it's never specific they would say things like well they're they're our partner in the Middle East they're a democracy in the Middle East just
as very vague it's rhetorical and I read the Israel lobby by Mir Shimemer and Steven Wall
And they break it down very succinctly that there's no real strategic benefit. Actually,
there are strategic liability. Eastern Mediterranean is not a strategically important region. The intelligence that Israel provides is not useful. Actually, it's detrimental
because they frequently lie. The technology we give them, they pass along to the Chinese, which was a big scandal. Um, so, so I would give them all this and say, "Yeah, that's not adding
up." And they would say, "Yeah, yeah, well, you know, you really just can't talk about that.
Your friend said that to you? Yes. Wow. Um, okay. So, what happened to your job? The Right Side
Broadcasting gig. Eventually, I got fired. I got kicked out. Why? Because one of these clips that
Cassie Dylan had a problem with. She ran it up the flag pole. She took it to Media Matters actually,
which is a left-wing outfit. They're like a cancel mill. And wait, the Daily Wire person took it to
Media Matters? Yes. Are you sure? I'm 99% sure. Huh? What was the clip? It was a clip, ironically,
where I was talking about the travel ban, the so-called Muslim ban, and I was defending it, and
I said that the First Amendment does not protect foreign nationals. It doesn't protect Salafists,
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He's like, you know, I said, they're saying that there's a constitutional right for radical Muslims to come here. And I said, that how are they protected by the First
Amendment? They're they're foreign nationals. And the the authoral intent of the first amendment was actually not even to protect that to begin with. You know, it's kind of anti-Christendum radical
ideology. So, it's something ironically that probably Shapiro and Cassie would agree with,
but they recognize the currency that a clip like that would have with the left because a left could
say you're Islamophobic, you're racist. So, she brought that to the left saying, "Look at this
guy. It's not that he's anti-Israel, but he's anti-Muslim. Yes. That's very interesting. Yes.
And so that clip appears on Media Matters, which at the time what I was the subject of a lot of attacks from them at the time and people kind of listened to them. Yeah. Including on the right,
they listened to them. Yes. So what happened? So I had to write an apology. My boss called me up and
said, "You need to apologize for what you said for being anti-Muslim." Yes. And so I I I didn't write
I'm sorry, but I I had to write something like, well, I should have chosen my words more carefully and this that and the other. And ultimately then they fired me a couple weeks later. Yeah. What
And what was the pretext for that? Well, they wanted to get in the White House press office.
They wanted a press pass and they said it's the stuff you're saying on the show isn't like a good
look for right side. it it's they're not going to let us into the White House if you're with
us and that and but the pressure in this scenario came exclusively from the Daily Wire. Yes. Yes.
Because and and here's how I know why. My show got maybe a hundred live viewers every night. Not a
powerhouse show. No. So the Med Media Matters was not on to me. They were put onto me by uh people
in the right that wanted me canled. Yeah. Well, that's interesting. So then what do you do? You're
failing in school. Your show just got cancelled. What's your plan now? So I dropped out college.
Mhm. Y and I I hated college and it was very expensive. Even I had a substantial scholarship,
but it was still expensive and I didn't like it. So my plan was that I was going to go to a different college. I might work for a year, make some money. And uh eventually I got the show back
about a month later they came back and by popular demand from my 100 viewers who were very dedicated
uh right side offered me the show back and so I I took the show again over the summer uh and then I
applied for a job at the leadership institute that was kind of the next big saga. But you didn't get
that job? No I did not get the job. Why? Well, I was told because I knew people um that worked
there that were field representatives there. It was a field representative job. And so I went
out for a job training at the end of July 2017. So after that second semester and I applied for
this field rep job. It was this twoe training and I go there and on the first day of the whole thing
they go around the room of all the prospective applicants. It's like a big try out basically for two weeks and they wanted to get everybody to break the ice and know each other. So we did
introductions. They said say your name, how old you are and why you're a conservative. And at
this time people are not where let's say we are right now. They're not America first. They're not
any anything like they're not talking about great replacement. That's not on the radar for them. So, you go around the room and you hear stuff about small government, free markets, you know, personal
responsibility, that sort of thing. And they get to me and I said, "Well, I'm a conservative
because we're losing our civilization because of mass immigration. America doesn't resemble
America anymore. France is no longer France." I said, "And if we don't conserve the demographics,
forget about the rest. That that's what we need to conserve." And I said that and I was told later on
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Why Fuentes Decided to Challenge the Conservative Establishment
So where does that like where does that leave you ideologically? Like how are you changing at this point? So, at this point, I'm realizing that something is deeply wrong here
in the conservative movement because we were led to believe in in those days of the campus
culture wars and Gamergate and and all that is that we're the marketplace of ideas and we're
about free speech and the rest of it. And here I am being like nuked from orbit by Ben Shapiro as a
kid and for asking what I thought were reasonable questions because I didn't come from some strange
background. I come from a normal home. You know, my parents are Catholic. They're married. We came
from a relatively affluent suburb. I went to Lions Township. That's like a very affluent high school.
In other words, I didn't wake up as like the son of uh, you know, William Luther Pierce. So,
I wasn't like a skin head or something, you know? I was like a normal guy that was like, "Yeah, like country's too diverse. We're too pro-Israel. Like, this is reasonable." And I was just getting
sandbagged for it and blacklisted. And and what's more, nobody cared. Like, cuz I remember going on
Twitter and saying like, you know, why isn't anyone sticking up for me? Where's Dave Rubin, you know, the free speech warrior? Where's he on this one? Where's Shapiro? Where's all these
people? and and in some way they were all sort of complicit in this. So I realized that the
conservative movement was completely bankrupt in that way. Yeah. Became very radical. Well, it you
became I mean let me just say I'm so familiar with you know I was much older when it happened to me and much more much more insulated. I was not a college student. I was like 45. So you know and
um I was in a much better place to withstand the pressure. But I do think one and I want to this is
my main question to you is when you get attacked when people call you names like they always call
me racist and I would always think to myself I'm actually not I would tell you if I was racist
little I'm a little sexist but I'm not racist and I never understood why they did that and then I thought maybe the point is to make me racist where you just get to you get to a point where you're
like well if you're going to slander me then I'll just become the thing you're calling me. I do think that's a feature of human nature, don't you? And if you stare too intently at the accusers, at
the, you know, whatever Ben Shapiro or Mark Leven or Ted Cruz or whoever it is calling you names,
it like distorts you and you actually change and become what they say you are. Have you thought
that ever? Do you worry that that happened to you? No, I don't think it ever did because I I
know who I am. I had a very firm grounding of what I'm about, which is that I was deeply Catholic,
and I still am deeply patriotic and pro-American. And um I don't consider myself temperamentally to
be an angry or a hateful person. So I I never, in other words, lost my center. You know, they say this thing about uh you look into the abyss and the abyss stares back into you. That
never really happened to me. I I was frustrated. I was frustrated because I felt like I was being
denied a level playing field. opportunity and it it wasn't fair. I felt like I was right. And these
people that were basically hypocrites, grifters, not really conservative, they were controlling the
conversation. And and as a consequence, they were controlling the Republican movement. And I really
perceive this as like an urgent crisis because if we wanted Trump to deliver America first, to
realize it, uh it it had to the Trump movement had to transform the conservative movement to reflect
the victory that Trump won. So I and I won't keep torturing you with biographical questions,
but I do want to like Sue, how you get your show gets cancelled, you drop out of college,
you have no money, you decide you want to work at the leadership institute, which is like a conservative think tank of or some organization of long-standing in Arlington, Virginia. Can't get
the job there because you're worried about immigration. It's all pretty amazing. And
then like where does that leave you? How did you succeed? Well, I continued doing my show. I did it
independently. Um, what does that mean? How do you do it? How do you do a show independently? Like,
how did you do it? I started a YouTube channel. Yeah. And I was in my parents' basement and uh I
put up a green screen. I got my computer webcam and I just started going live every night in the
same way that I did at RSBN. I just did it on my own channel where I had creative control over it.
And and at that point I I basically mounted an attack on the conservative establishment from the
outside. I sort of realized that there's sort of two ways you could play this. You could infiltrate
the conservative movement. I could recant all my views and apologize and pretend to be one of
them and bypass the gatekeepers, the sensors, I said. Or I could kind of be in the wilderness and
I would be alone and I would be radioactive, but I could challenge the credibility and legitimacy
of the conservative movement and its claim to represent conservatives. And that was kind of the mission was to say, um, no, the immovable standard is America first. I'm going to represent
it and the conservative movement is going to have to move to me. I will not move towards them. And I thought maybe I'll make money and maybe I won't, but I'm going to try it for a couple of years and
and I'll see how it goes. So, but the the sight picture in your head was enemy is conservative movement. Yes. Do you think um you think that was a good choice? Yes, absolutely. Rather than
like but why not like Antifa or you know I I don't know Anti-Defamation League or there are
a lot of institutions on like George Soros like why would it be the conservative establishment? Why do you think that was important? Well, I I kind of took a page from Trump's playbook,
which is that you have to in the country, the left was hegemonic over all the institutions. And you
have this organized opposition to the left and the Democrats and all the left-wing controlled
institutions. And the organized opposition comes from movement conservatism, the Republican party,
Fox News, you know, the the sort of constellation of conservative institutions. And I said,
"The problem is whether you go Democrat or you go Republican, you're kind of just like getting the
same thing. You're getting the establishment effectively. The opposition is basically controlled or moderated. It's not authentic opposition. It's not a true alternative."
And so I said, we, and by we, I mean the true America first nationalists,
we need to fight for the mantle of the opposition and then leading the opposition, then we can take
the fight to the left as the conservatives, as the Republicans, whatever. But first, you have to win
that internal battle among the audience that the conservatives have. Because that's really the problem is that they have usurped the base is extremely conservative, extremely anti-left,
but the Republican party like those that represent them are are not at all. They're very a lot of them are atheists, a lot of them are gay, a lot of them are feminists. And so I said like we we
kind of need to rally like Trump did rally the base against the establishment and then take the
fight to the left as the true alternative. And if you can win that, then you win the country. that that was kind of Trump's model. What what did you see as like the most important gatekeepers
that needed to be overturned, pushed aside in order to do this? It it was these Zionist Jews
like Dave Rubin, like Ben Shapiro, like Dennis Prager. Um it was these um the guys that were
really controlling the media apparatus that seemed to me to be the biggest impediment. Fox Fox is not
a Jewish business, though. Well, Ruper Murdoch is an ally of Netanyahu, so he's aligned. Yeah. And
he owns the whole News Corp empire, so and yeah, he's certainly a part of it also. Um I mean Dave
Rubin though, does he matter? No. No, not really. Right. I mean Dave Rubin, it's like I don't know.
Do people watch Dave Rubin? Uh they did back then. I mean because you got to consider they they were kind of like the ascendant new media, you know, they represented the next big thing.
I mean, and Ben Shapiro seems irrelevant to me now. Now, but back then for
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question. So I look at the landscape now and the people I see as you know I'll just I'll narrow it
down to foreign policy. Okay. who is effectively opposing neoonservative foreign policy,
which has been the dominant foreign policy of the United States for my entire life, which has been so destructive, I think, and I've seen it. Um, who are the voices who are sincere in their opposition
to that and who have some ability to to change uh the country's orientation on foreign policy?
And those would include Marjorie Taylor Green, JD Vance, um Matt Gates, uh but you've attacked all
of those people. Yeah. Why would you in almost Joe Joe Kent Mhm. Um those strike me as someone who's
Why Did Fuentes Attack Joe Kent?
really interested in this topic. I'm not that interested in the Jews, but I'm very interested in the foreign policy question. Those seem like the most sincere those seem like the only hope of the
country to get away from this destructive really self-destructive cycle. Why attack them? Well,
in short, they attack me first. Yeah, but like who cares? Well, let's take Joe Kim. I mean,
you attack me constantly and I'm like, I don't really give a [ __ ] I want to meet the guy. You attack me first, too. No, no, no, no. But I'm What I'm saying is I'm not whining about it.
I'm just saying like so you know what I mean? Well, I don't I don't say so because like take
Joe Kent for instance. I supported Joe Kent and I talked to Joe Kent. I got introduced to him by
Matt Brainard. Matt Brainer went to my conference in 2021. He bought a table. Was he a campaign manager? He was. Okay. Or he was a consultant, but he was on the campaign. Yeah. And so I met
Matt Brainard. He liked me a lot. He loved my conference in February 21, which he bought a table
at for his organization, Look Ahead America. And in 2021, we, and by we, I mean my nonprofit and
myself and my team. We wanted to support America First candidates in the midterms, like you said,
authentic opponents. Me, too. Yeah. That's how I found Joe Kent. Yes. And um so I I met a lot
of the people in that sort of scene like Ryan Gduski I know is very supportive of Joe Kent and
other people that are more private I don't want to name but they put me on not just a Joe Kent but Patrick Wit in Georgia uh Gibbs in Michigan a lot of different people and Joe Kent was one
of them and I had a phone call with Joe Kent and I told him I had my assistant on the phone too
who's Jewish by the way just cuz I want you to know I'm cool like that you know I don't judge
But um so I'm on the phone with Joe and I said, "Look, we support you and we want to do everything
we can to help you. We want to have my followers knock on doors for you. We want to boost your
social media. Anything that you need, we want to help you." I said, "And we don't even want
to be publicly associated." I said, "Because we know that that might hurt you." I said, 'The only thing that we ask in return is you can't disavow me if the media asks, and you can say
whatever you need to say, but you can't disavow. And he said, 'Y yeah, I totally agree with you
because if we start disavowing each other, then we're just going to eat each other alive and the left wins. We're in agreement. And a couple months later, Joe tweeted in support of me cuz I
had been banned on all social media. I was on the no-fly list. So he said something on Twitter like,
you know, Nick Fuentes shouldn't be banned. He should not be censored. A month after that, I put out on Twitter, I said, Joe Kent is one of the most impressive America first candidates
that's running in 22. Well, fast forward a whole year later. I do my annual conference, AFPAC,
in February 22. Marjorie Taylor Green attends. It's uh we had 1,200 people and it got a lot of
media attention and I'm driving home cuz I'm on the no-fly list at this time. I'm driving
home from Florida. Can I ask you pause? By no fly list, do you mean not extra scrutiny but like not
allowed to fly in airplanes in the United States? Not allowed to fly. Yes. How can that How can How old were you? I was 23. Did you have any felony convictions? No. Okay. How can I'm not I wasn't
even aware that that could happen. How long were you not allowed to fly in airplanes in the United States? One year. It's really crazy. Yeah, it was. Sorry. I just want to get that out there.
No. Yeah, it's brutal. And you confirmed that you were not allowed to fly in airplanes? Yes, I have the letter from the TSA. Yeah, I was on the do not board list. That's Sorry. Sorry to interrupt
you. No, it's crazy. But um so anyway, so I'm I'm driving home from Florida after my conference and
I get people start texting me. Joe Ken is on Twitter and he says, "I condemn Nick Fuentes,
especially his views on Israel." That's the tweet. And I texted Joe and I said, "Seriously?" And he
texts me back and he says, "We win by addition, not subtraction." I go, "Well, you just subtracted
me out of the movement." I said, "Because I don't support you anymore." He goes back for seconds.
He goes on Twitter and says, "Nick Fuentes and his focus on race and religion does not fit with
my message of inclusive populism." Inclusive populism. That doesn't sound like authentic
America first. That sounds like [ __ ] to me. And I don't know. I know he's your friend, but I don't
know him that well. I'm not on the team. Well, I I so my read on Joe Kent was he's totally sincere.
He like me has always been committed to separating out like foreign policy views from ethnicity. Not
because I mean obviously I'm denounced as an anti-semite every day. So I I don't really care
what ADL thinks of me, but my Christian faith tells me that there's no such thing as blood
guilt and virtue or sin is not inherited. It's not a feature of DNA. So every person must be
assessed individually as God assesses each person individually. And that's like a foundational view.
So I always thought it's great to criticize and question like our relationship with Israel because
it's insane and it hurts us. We get nothing out of it. I completely agree with you there. But the second you're like, well actually it's the Jews. First of all, it's against my Christian
faith. Like I just don't believe that and I never will. Period. And second, then it becomes a way to
discredit. That's when I was like, "This guy's a fed." I was totally convinced you were a fed
because I was like, "Here he's bear hugging like the one sincere guy who lost his wife in Syria
thanks to the [ __ ] crazy wars, neocon wars, and he's discredit. He's doing the David Duke." Like
David Duke would always, every time I rolled out a new show, he would issue an endorsement of the show. I've never met the guy. What's that? Well, it's the feds. Obviously, he's trying
to destroy me by association. Whatever. You see the point? Yeah. But so, let me ask you this. So,
if I'm supporting Joe Kent, I'm David Duke bear hugging. If I attack Joe Kent, I'm attacking the
only sincere America first. I get it. I mean, I do get it. And I I just want to say I love Joe Kent.
Um I don't I can't having been denounced by a lot of people I like, I know what that feels like. So,
I definitely am sympathetic to that. Yeah. I was denounced by someone I like last night. I was I hurt my feelings. You know what I mean? Whatever. I'm not going to say what her name is,
but I helped her. I liked her. You know, it's like, why are you denouncing me? Why don't you call me? Yeah. Right. I get that. I guess the two problem. But then on the other hand,
like one of my favorite people in the world is Glenn Greenwald. Mhm. Yeah. I love Glenn. Oh, what a good man. Glenn must have spent like 10 years attacking me full-time. Tucker Carlson is d and
he was some of his criticism was correct actually you know with tool of the neocons endorsing these [ __ ] wars like he was right but he really hated me and then when we started to agree on stuff I
was like you know what it's not about me I don't care like I don't want personal peak or my hurt
feelings to govern my behavior. I guess that's what I'm saying. I'm not lecturing you. I get
it. But I feel like gay pissed you off. It's in a campaign. He's got 19 consultants. This kid's
a Nazi. be careful of him. Like, I don't know. Let it go. Well, and I I totally agree with you,
by the way. And um and and that's why I don't take it personally at all. Like, and I like you. I've
said very positive things about you on my show as well. I think and I know, but I I mean to say that
um my goal is America first. It's not about me. It's not about my personality. It's about winning
for America, you know, and by winning, I mean we want to see our vision realized. Um, but with Joe,
for me it was very specific that he said inclusive populism. And I really didn't like that because
to me there were a lot of similar phrases at this time. Multi-racial workingclass populism,
this kind of stuff. And I said, you know, on some level, we do need to be exclusive, not inclusive.
We do need to be right-wing. We do need to be Christian. we do on some level need to be pro-white, not to the exclusion of everybody else, but recognizing that white people have a special
heritage here as Americans. Um, and so the reason I opposed him in 22 was not because I was mad,
but it was to say America first cannot backslide into this kind of inclusive populism message,
which I perceived to be more like GOP slop. And I'll tell you, when he ran again in 24, I did not
oppose him. I did not oppose him. And I would have supported him if he had reached out or something like that. Um because for me it it was very political and professional. I wanted to impose
a cost. If you disavow someone cuz they criticize Israel. If you disavow someone for talking about
white people and Christianity, I said we can't let that slide because and you understand why he
did it. Like I don't on some level I don't hold it against him in the sense that there is such a strong incentive. It's easy to say, "I disavow all these crazy Christians and all these crazy
white nationalists." Cuz it buys you wiggle room with people that are attacking you. It's like easy
to throw them under the bus and say, "I'm one of the good guys." And so I said, "It's too easy.
We need to push in the other direction and say you should feel less comfortable uh saying that people
shouldn't talk about their race and religion. Maybe you think twice next time." And that I so I did it for a very specific reason. And um I I I get that. What I do think is bad, just objectively
bad and destructive is the all Jews are guilty or all anybody is guilty of anything cuz that's
just like not true. And we don't believe that as Christians. We I mean my hero in life is Paul.
Guess you call him St. Paul. Saul of Tarsus, a Pharisee. Yeah. And meets Jesus and becomes
this just incredible man. incredibly brave, smart, loving, like everything you want to be as a man,
he was Jew. Yeah. So like, you know, and God did that to him. So it's like you can't I think that's
an And I don't think it's like mushy liberal [ __ ] which I hate and I hate all the language that you're describing. I get why it offends you because it's code for I don't really believe what
I'm saying. I I have a PhD in the subject so I know. But I also think there is like a a true not
Identity Politics
just principle but like spiritual reality that we have to defend which is God created every person
as an individual not as a group. He no woman gave birth to a community. Like we hate that kind of
thinking, right? Collectivist thinking like that. That's identity politics. That's what Dave Rubin engages in. That's why Dave is like a just a child. Like you don't pay any attention to Dave
cuz he's like shallow. But we're not going to be that, right? Or no? No. I I completely agree with
you and you know like and not to be that guy and say that thing but like my best friend is a Jewish
person, you know. So like but here but here's my I guess here's my substantive disagreement because I as a Catholic I could not agree more with you. Yes. In in what you're saying. I love
all people even the ones that don't like us. We have to love them all and we have to recognize that we're required to. Yes. Yes. And especially Aquinus says the Jews are a witness people and so
they actually have special protections under the law according to Catholic philosophy. But I guess
my substantive disagreement, which I've said on the show also, is the idea that neoconservatism
and and Israel has nothing to do with Jewishness, Jewish identity, the Jewish religion, because
clearly the state of Israel and the neocons are deeply motivated by that ethnic identity and
their allegiance to Israel proceeds from that. you know, the the plan of greater Israel, the
the blood and soil nationalism of Israel, it stems from this ethno religion which is Judaism. Well,
this is uh you know just BLM the new version. This is identity politics. They're engaging in identity
politics. I I mean that's just so obvious to me. It but the problem in your response so you're of
I mean I get what you're saying but the problem in your response is it does not apply to every
individual. No. And I would never say that. Okay. Well, I just think it's important to say that not
to kind of like dodge the accusations against you. My best friends are Jewish. Like okay, I agree. Emar embarrassing even though it's probably true in your it's true in my case actually. But
whatever. But because just that principle that we're all judged as individuals by what we do,
the our faith, the decisions that we make, the way we live our lives, and God will judge every one of
us in that way. And that's how we're supposed to judge. Like, is that I think that's true.
Yeah. And I and I totally agree. But I I guess the disagreement is you you say identity politics like
it's a bad thing. I think identity is a reality. Identity is a reality. Absolutely. You just can't
have a country of 350 million this diverse where it's just like waring ethnicities cuz then it's
just it's you I mean it's Rwanda soon and you know the people with the most force just kill
the others. So like you can't have that here, right? Yeah. And but I I would say specifically
as it pertains to you know you I think have said it's it's the neocons, it's the neocons and I
think that neoconservatism where does it arise from? It arises from Jewish leftists who were
mugged by reality when they saw the surprise attack in the Yam Kapoor war. Yeah. Well,
that's a lot of it for sure. But then like how do you explain Mike Huckabe, Ted Cruz, and they're a
lot like that. John Bolton, I mean, I've known them all. George W. Bush, like the Carl Rove,
I mean, all people I know personally who I've seen like be seized by this brain virus and they're not
Jewish. They're most of them are self-described Christians. And and then the the Christian
Zionists who are well Christian Zionists, like what is that? And I can just say for my self, I
dislike them more than anybody, you know, because like what? because it's Christian heresy and I'm
offended by that as a Christian. That's why. So I don't like why not like I'm pissed at the neocons.
Very pissed. I've said that a million times. I've been mad since December of 2003 when I went to
Iraq. And so like I went and hassled or hassled asked straightforward questions to Ted Cruz cuz
that seemed like was a sitting senator who's like serving for Israel by his own description. He
seemed like a worthy target. I'm not going after MTG. Mhm. Who's like the most sincere per like why
Why Did Fuentes Attack Marjorie Taylor Greene?
not go after Ted Cruz? I don't understand. Well, again with Marjorie, I was a friend of hers and
she spoke at my conference and then the day after she pretended like she didn't know me and that was in 2022. But it's a things it's a continuum. Like you said yourself, you showed up in college like
one set of views they evolve as you interact with reality as the reality itself changes as like you
learn things you grow like whatever people change. Well, and and look, now that everyone agrees with
me, I I will graciously forgive them for being personal. Like, who cares? It's not personal for
me. Like with Marjorie, if she wanted to um you know, be aligned or whatever, I I would totally be
on board with her. But where do you disagree with her? I don't know cuz I don't know what her new views are. She's really only come around on Israel this year and I've been talking about this issue
for 10 years and Right. Okay. All right. You win. But like, no, but it's not but it's not like that. It's just it it's a little it feels like BS to me that and I said this on Twitter the other day.
It's like I got treated like I didn't exist and cancelled for 10 years for saying these things.
And that's really where all this drama comes from. A time when there was this intense censorship and
nobody was on board with this stuff. Like again, Marjorie, she fired one of my people
was working in her office. She fired that guy cuz someone found out that a groper was working in her office and you know that guy got his life ruined and she pretended like she didn't know me
and lied and said I had no idea the conference I was speaking at. She knew exactly what it was and that's fine. Um but now that she's on the same page, there's like this expectation like okay well
um you know why why did you have a problem with her in the past? It's like because she was on the other team in the past. Yeah. Well, so was so was everybody. So now so are you. I mean, so what? I
mean, what why not? You don't You want It's got to be bigger than just like us, right? And it's not I don't think Well, I'll speak for myself. I'm I don't feel like I'm at war with the neocons or
Israel. It's much bigger than that. It's like you want to restore America to a place where your grandchildren would enjoy growing up. That's it. Yeah. Well, and I've and as far as Marjorie,
it's not who cares. Don't you know what I mean? Like, okay, lots of people hurt my If Dave Rubin
Is Fuentes a Fed?
called me tonight, which he would never do that he has myself. Um, and said, you know, I'm really
sorry I called you Hitler. Like, I didn't mean it. You're raising lots of legitimate questions, which I think I sort of agree with or am thinking about in a deeper way. I'd be like, great. Yeah. Like,
I don't care. That's And look, Tucker, that's why I'm sitting here, you know? I mean, because we had
a contentious dialogue. Well, I thought you were a fed. I was And I thought you were a fed. I was a
fed. I'm not a fed. Um, but whatever. I don't care what people Yeah. We showed each other a badge as we know. We're all No, but I thought you were a fed because I was like, why not? It's not cucking
to say you're not talking about all Jews when you oppose a foreign policy position. It's not. It's
There's nothing liberal about that. It's just true. That's the Christian position. Okay. And
two, why are you attacking like the best people and not the worst people? Well, yeah. I mean,
again, he he disavowed me for my views on Israel and said, "I talk too much about white people and
Christianity." And to me, that's like a sincere ideological disagreement. And you know, same thing with Marjorie. Marjorie fired my guy. She disavowed me. and um you know and and you worked
with Blumenthal on that article, but you called me on the phone and I we like what from my persp
who is for first of all, who is this kid? I'm working at Fox News. I'm I'm aware there's an internet, but I'm more out of it than you may appreciate. And I'm like out of nowhere
attacking this one. I had Joe Kent here to my house. I did this interview with him and I'm always in search of a sincere politician. Not don't have to agree on everything,
but I really believe sincerity is the whole game. If someone's heart is pure, he will be brave. I
always have thought that and it's turned out to be true. Marjgery is a perfect example and that's all
that matters. If you're afraid inside, if you're weak inside, you will crumble when it matters. So,
I really felt like, wow, Joe, I don't agree with him and everything, of course, but I was like, this guy is really sincere. he's like a good person and then you show up and you're like
he's a CIA officer and I'm going to I mean he was a CIA contractor but like really like crush
the guy and it's like why of all people you you agree on 90% of stuff you know that was my view
and I was like well clearly this kid's a fed right but you didn't know the whole story so I didn't you're absolutely right and and look and now that and I want to be I'm not trying to be combative I
think that go ahead I'm not you're not talking my feelings no I mean here here's what I'm trying to say is now that Marjorie is pushing in the right direction, I absolutely support everything she's
saying and I've not been critical of her at all this year cuz I think that what she's doing is extremely courageous and I think you're right, she is sincere. So it sounds like your not to
put words in your mouth, but your just your life experience has left you so stung by the Republican
establishment. You've you don't you don't trust anybody, it sounds like. Well, no. I mean, the these people attacked me when the rules were different and um now they got better and now I'm
good with them. I mean, I'm I'm willing to be good with them, but I think that I don't know if Marjorie still has a problem with me or not. I don't know. I don't know. Um, I do know though,
and this is the last criticism I will level, and it's maybe not even your fault. But I do know that, you know, the coordinated attacks against totally reasonable questions about what's
in America's interest and what's not. Those are all coordinated by the Israeli government, it's all come to light now. And they're against me. I've always thought I have the most world's most
moderate position on Israel. Don't hate Israel. Just don't want to get involved in their wars. Don't want to pay for this. Don't want to pay for abortion on demand in a foreign country. Sorry.
when we're cutting food stamps on our own. Like this is outrageous. It's not America first. That's my view. Not embarrassed of it at all. I They are totally determined to take me out, I think,
because I'm reasonable. Who would disagree with that and call me all these names, most dangerous
anti-semite when I'm not even an anti-semite? And they're not doing that to you because this is my
view. Mhm. And this not necessarily your fault. Mhm. But because they're like Fuentes discredits
the reasonable people because he's always banging on about the Jews, the Jews. And so he makes
everyone else look like a Nazi. And so it's like he's playing a pretty valuable role in the same way that Israel has always funded extremism throughout the Middle East, including Hamas,
because it discredits the reasonable people. That's a fact. Yeah. I Well, I would just say
I disagree. I mean, you know, cuz you say you said the other day, uh, they like me. I don't know what
you're talking about when you say that because let me just kind of rebut that. By the way, I'm
not saying you have anything to do with this. I'm just saying I've noticed the phenomenon. Totally. And I I just reject that because they have been messing with me for my entire adult life. I mean,
the ADL the ADL got me banned on YouTube. Uh, the SPLC posted my house on their website. This
What do you mean posted your house? They posted my a photo of my house on their website. How
can they do that? I guess that's a free speech thing. The SPLC posted a picture of your house
on their website? Yes. When? In 2022, actually. Yes, they wrote an article. They said Nick Fent
has bought a building in this city and they said we interviewed his neighbors and property records reveal this and that and on the front page the picture for the article is my house where I live.
That's crazy. And then someone showed up with a gun and tried to kill you at that house. Yes.
So that's why I say, you know, you say, "Well, they're not doing this to you." It's like the ZOA, the SPLC, the ADL, the Daily Wire. All these groups have been on me for years. So that's news
to me if they're really endorsing my activities. It could just be my perception. But I guess what I'm saying is as someone who thinks his own views are like completely reasonable, pass every smell
test, you could x-ray my soul. I don't think there's a lot of hate in there. And to the extent that they do make me feel hateful, the people who attack me, I do like say prayers about it. don't
we're not allowed to hate people is we forgive those who trespass against us. That's like our core prayer. So I just feel like it's the I don't know. Am I being paranoid? I feel like going on
about the Jews like helps the neocons. Well, what what about my views do you think are unreasonable
if yours are reasonable? Um I think again I just I don't think it's cucky. I think it's reality
to say that guilt is not inherited. Blood guilt is bad. One of the reasons that I'm mad about Gaza is
because the Israeli position is everyone who lives in Gaza is a terrorist because of how they were born, including the women and the children. That's not a western view. That's an eastern view. That's
a non-Christian. That's totally incompatible with Christianity and Western civilization. They say, "Oh, we're the offenders of Western civilization." Not with that attitude. You're not. Collective
punishment is the enemy of Western civilization. Yeah. And so I hate that attitude. It's genocidal.
The current claims that I'm a cancer, you know, from Ben Shapiro, whatever. We need to be exised
from the body of conservatism is a genocidal position that it basically encourages violence as they well know. The whole thing I hate. So like anytime you say a whole group of people is
responsible for the sins of some of its members, like I'm out. Yeah. But that's not my view. It's
not. Okay. So, what are So, tell me your views like rather than You're one of those people. One of the reasons I wanted to meet you is you're one of those people who is defined by clips. Yes. And
What Does Fuentes Actually Believe?
I'm one of those people also. Right. So, I get it. So, I'm going to just shut up and you tell
me what you actually believe. Yeah. Well, and and listen, I mean, and I appreciate you saying that because it's that's just the reality of the media environment we're in. So if you I don't expect you
to know all my views but I mean as far as the Jews are concerned I think that like I said you
cannot actually divorce Israel and the neocons and all all those things that you talk about
from Jewishness ethnicity religion identity and let me give you like a perfect example.
So you say on your show that we need to treat Israel like any other country and I sort of
understand that in principle because Israel is another foreign country. Yeah. But Israel is
unlike every other country in the sense that because the Jewish people are in a diaspora
all over the world. There are significant numbers of Jews in Europe but also in the United States.
And because of their unique heritage and story, which is that they're a stateless people,
they're unassimilable. They're resist assimilation for thousands of years. And I think that's a good thing. Um, and now they have this territory in Israel. There is a deep religious affection for
the state. It's bound up in their identity. The story of the Exodus from Egypt, the promise of the land, all these things. So let's say in the United States for example somebody like a Sheldon Adlesen
he's not Israeli is he an ideological neocon does he believe in the promise of democratic
globalism I don't think necessarily his heart is in Israel and it's because he is a proud Jewish
person and I guess what I'm saying is that if you are a Jewish person in America you're sort of and
again it's not because they're born but it's sort of a rational self-interest politically to say
I'm a minority. I'm a religious ethnic minority. This is not really my home. My ancestral home is
in Israel. There's like a natural affinity that Jews have for Israel. And I would say on top
of that for the international Jewish community. They're extremely organized and many of them are
critical of Israel or Israel's current government or the project of Israel. But I guess what they have in common unlike let's say like um Singapore for example is that they have this international
community across borders extremely organized uh that is putting the interests of themselves
before the interests of their home country. And there's like there's no other country that has a similar arrangement like that. No other country has a strong identity like that. this religious
blood and soil conviction, this history of being in the diaspora, stateless, wandering, persecuted,
um, and in particular the historic animosity between the Jewish people and the Europeans.
They hate the Romans because the Romans destroyed the temple. That's why Eric Weinstein goes to the
Arch of Titus and gives it the finger and takes a picture. We don't think like that as Americans
and white people. We don't think about the Roman Empire in 2,000 years ago. They do. Um, and and
so I I guess that's really and and I don't think that's me saying the Jews, the Jews, the Jews.
I don't think that's me being hateful. I don't think that's me being collectivist. I think that's understanding that identity politics, whether you love it or hate it, whatever you feel about it,
it's a reality that we live in a world of Jews and Christians, of whites and blacks, these identities
mean something to us and they mean things to each other. and we we can't sort of wish them away. And
it feels like white people and Christians are the only ones that do that. Well, there's no question about that, your last point, for sure. One of the reasons they do that is because they've
been taught to hate themselves, of course, since the Second World War. Another reason is, however,
the reality of a multiethnic country requires you to sort of set aside community or group interests
in favor of corporate interests. universal interests, national interests and you have to
do that or else it doesn't work and so I you know I agree those attitudes I mean certainly in other
parts of the world people think this way but you can't have that here and so it's just important to remind everybody that yeah I you know things may be generally true but like again they're not
always true and there are people who just strongly disagree and by the way in the specific case of
Israel Well, there are a ton of Orthodox who I know who are opposed to the state of Israel.
They're just Jew they're more Jewish than Dave Rubin a lot more and yet they oppose it. Jeff Saxs is like the most a wonderful man, the most art Jewish, the most articulate kind of critic
of the state of Israel that I'm aware of. So like I don't know that's that's just meaningful. you you can't if it's if everything is inherited then there's no hope for the continuation of
America. Does that do you see that? Yeah. I don't and I don't think it's genetically inherited and
and what you're saying about putting aside the tribal interest for the corporate interest that's absolutely the case and that's the only way the country is going to stay together. Exactly. That's
my concern and I absolutely agree with you. I would say though that the main challenge to that,
a big challenge to that is organized jewelry in America. I don't think Bill Aman is capable
of that. I don't think Shel Naden is capable of that. I don't think Yor Mazonei is capable of that for that matter. And and many other, you know, on the right and the left. And I see it I
see Jewishness as the common denominator. And and you're right, it's not not all Jewish people feel
the same way. No one would say that, but that does seem to be the common denominator. And I just feel
like it needs to be called out explicitly. And I like what you said. If the other day, if you're serving in another country's military or have dual citizenship, you you really can't be
a part of this project. Well, that's just that's an easy one. But I am much more comfortable as a
Christian and an American keeping it on that level because, you know, it's easy to just set rules
that universal rules that apply to everyone, not just the Jews or the Christians or the anybody.
Just like Americans can only serve in the US military or they lose their passport. I mean, I don't know. That's not hard. And I don't know. Why not? Why not just say that? Say what? That why
not make every statement about how Americans ought to behave applicable to all Americans? It's like
it's the defense of universal values that will hold the country together and the emphasis on procular group values that will break it apart inevitably because it's a this is a particular
issue and it's acute like I said I think they are unique in that way. I think that's a unique issue
especially in the Republican party especially in the conservative scene. Um and you know this
so how would you like this all to be resolved? What I would like is for the US government to
not be influenced by these kinds of foreign allegiances. Not with money that comes from,
you know, American citizens like Sheldon Aden, not from foreign lobbyists. So, I mean, in terms of tangible things, I don't think we disagree on any of it. Like registering Apac and FAR,
banning dual citizenship, like I'm basically in agree 80% of the public agrees with those. So,
that's kind of what gets me a little bit annoyed. It's like these are like America first the concept
it's the most popular self-evidently true idea you could have like don't let foreign
powers especially tiny ones far away control your country like of course not everyone agrees with
that on both sides. Yeah. So the trick is not to let that idea get subverted. Does that make
sense? Yeah. And I'm I think we agree on that. But it's subverted when they're like that's hate. No,
that's hate. It's not hate. Yeah. Well, and you know, here's what I will say. I think that there
is increasingly a contingent because what you're talking about exists when you say that there are people that legitimately detract from this with there is legitimate racial hatred out there big
time and it's growing and people on our side are afraid to talk about it because they know,
like you said, they're going to get called a cuck or a squish or whatever. And I agree with you.
The people that are detracting from that need to be called out. And uh I think there should be no harbor for cruelty, hatred, prejudice, those kinds of things. And some of them, I'm sorry
to be a conspiracy nut. I really try not to be a conspiracy because it's embarrassing, you know,
but after January 6th and just finding out the number of FBI personnel in the crowd, it's like,
and I've just seen this, David Duke is a great example. Some of these are the Charlottesville
rally. Mhm. Yeah. had a bunch of feds there being like, "We're white supremacists. We hate the
blacks." You know, using the nword, whatever. You know, it's like that's not real. Like, there is some of that going on, don't you think? I think that um I think that there's a lot of sincere
people. For sure. I completely agree. You know, and they're just numb skulls and some of them are
legitimately they see the opening that there's legitimate critique of this and they see an opening to air out their grievances. Um they get a license to they think it's okay. now. And uh and I
do think it's important to differentiate and say that fundamentally I guess the word that I would use I've been thinking about this a lot lately is reassurance because I think there's a legitimate
um there is a legitimate need to reassure people and this is kind of what I've been doing on these
podcasts that we don't want to harm anybody. We don't want to kill anybody. We don't want to harm
anybody. We just want to put America first. And and I guess, you know, to the extent that I've been taken out of context over the years or things like that, I'm trying to set the record
straight and say, you know, and I appreciate you've given me this opportunity. These are my real views. I'm not one of those haters, let's say. Yeah. Well, I think people should be allowed
to describe what they think. Mhm. I mean, that's like a basic human autonomy question. Yeah. Like, if I want you think, I should just ask you and let you talk. Mhm. Right. Yeah. So, what's going
Fuentes’s Dinner with Ye and Donald Trump
to who's going to be president? Who should be president next? Who should be president? Well, yay. Of course, Kanye. You had dinner with Trump. I did. And Kanye. Yes. What did you think of
that? It was surreal. Um because those are my two heroes. Those are my two like number one heroes of
all time. I've always been a Kanye West fan. You like the music first? Yes. The music, the fashion,
everything. Really? Yes. Do you wear those weird one piece shoes? I do. You actually do? Oh,
yeah. Absolutely. Like in public? Yes. You don't think that's cool? No, I do. I I don't know what
I think. I'll get you some. I've worn the same clothes since high school. Don't ask me about clothes. I'm not good at that at all. Um that's hilarious. So, but you So, you've always been
a fanuge fan. You described your love for Trump, like since your Yes. childhood love for Trump.

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what was it like to find yourself at dinner with them? It was I mean it was funny because it was literally Thanksgiving dinner. It was 3 days before Thanksgiving. So, not only was it dinner,
but it's I'm having Thanksgiving dinner with Yay and Trump at the same table. And these are like
my heroes. And um I mean the way that it went was sort of interesting. Yay is sort of shy. He
deeply admires Trump. He loves Trump. And I like that about him because Yay really admires anybody
that's an industrialist. He loves builders, visionaries, architects. He's very into that. So,
he has a deep regard for Trump. And so, at the beginning, it was a little awkward cuz he wouldn't talk. And um he was sort of shy. Yay. Yes. Which is surprising, right? Because he's so outspoken.
But Trump was trying to get him to talk and he was it was it was kind of like a boomer moment
because Trump was trying to get him to talk about like opportunity zones. He was giving him like the black voter pitch, you know, the black Republican. Yeah. Um and I was like, dude, like he's not that
kind of Republican to say the least, you know. Fair. At this point, I think people know. So,
what were you saying? Well, um so eventually, you know, Trump didn't have a lot of luck with
him. So, he's kind of fielding the table and he's talking to me. And Trump does like other people to
talk. Yes. Well, he likes to talk to. He for sure. But he asks questions. Yeah, he does more than
you would think. Well, he's a great he's a good guy fundamentally. Yeah, he's very warm guy. So,
he was asking everybody, you know, what's up and who are you and we got to talking and, you know,
I I guess it was going too well because I was being very complimentary of Trump and Yay was kind
of kicking me and saying like, you know, a couple days prior we were talking about if Trump and Yay wind up on the debate stage, what is that going to look like? And I was coaching Yay like these
are his weak areas. Like this is where we got to attack Trump. And so Yay was like, "Tell him what
you were saying the other day. Tell him what you were saying last night." And I was like, "Dude, that's our playbook. Like we don't want to blow up our uh" And Trump was like, "Go ahead. Don't
be bashful. Tell tell me what is it." And I said, "You know what?" I said I said, "I think you're
one of the greatest living Americans." I said, "I I'm a young guy." I said, "I really have nothing to say other than thank you. I have nothing but gratitude for what you've done for the country.
I said, I it's really not my place, you know, to to give you advice or correct you. And he said, no, no, don't be bashful. Tell me. And the story that I brought up was this was really what sent
me in the first Fox News debate in 2015 in the Republican primary. Yes. Brett Bearer, the first
question said, "Raise your hand if you will not pledge to support the eventual nominee." Yes. and
Trump raised his hand because that's what he was saying. He said, uh, you know, if I don't win, I'll run independent and I'll make Republicans lose. And so I brought that up and I told that
story and I said, you know, I said, I feel like what was inspiring in 16 is that you were willing
to let the Republican establishment lose. like you were serious about blowing them up such that
you were not going to say like Pat Buchanan who I respect but Sam Francis acknowledged that was one
of his great mistakes was ultimately endorsing Bush. I said you it showed you were serious.
You were playing to win because you said I will let this Republican party crash and burn. I want
to run as the Republican but if I can't I'll run independent. I said, ' And that's how I knew you were serious. And that's how I knew you were the guy. I said, ' And I feel like lately, this is
right after Ronald McDaniel became the head of the RNC again. I was like, I feel like lately you're
just behind all these people. I said, we're not here for Kevin McCarthy. We're not here for Ronald McDaniel or Mitch McConnell. I said, we are here for you. Like, we will die for you. We are loyal
to you. I said, and when you did that, that showed you could win. And we rallied. I said, so I I want
to see more like that. I want to see you hit Dantis, let's say, who was running against him.
Um, and he was like, "Oh, okay." He goes, "Oh, so you like that." It was right after he called him Danimmonious. I said, "That was awesome. You should have kept hitting him." He's like, "Oh,
you like that?" He goes, "This guy's hardcore. I like this guy." He was saying about me. And so I
was trying to just get like get his mojo back, you know, and, you know, gas him up a little bit. And
um, so that that's how it went between me and him. And what was Yay saying at this point? Well, uh,
he he was sort of he was beaming with pride cuz Trump turns to him and says, "Who is this guy?
This guy's great." And he was like, "Right." And I was like, "This is just this is amazing." Do you call your parents from the parking lot? Oh, yeah. You'll never believe. Yeah. Um,
I try never to think like how will this be perceived? It's better just to like be as honest as you can be all the time. And you know, and honest people will respond, agree or disagree,
but they'll they'll they'll feel your sincerity and your honesty, but there are always people who are going to like distort it. And I recounted the basically the Christian gospel at Charlie
Kirk's memorial service and everyone's like, "You're an anti-semite." I literally didn't have one thought about Jewish people. I had nothing to do with that. It was whatever. So,
and but I was thinking about this conversation, which I'm sure I don't can't imagine what that in the ways that it'll be distorted, but I I do hope that people who want to learn what's happening and
who you are will watch the whole thing. It's probably naive hope that it won't be reduced to whatever you're saying something naughty and me laughing and see they're both Nazis. I mean,
you know, that's going to happen, of course, but I'm willing to take that risk because I just think it's important to know you're clearly ascendant. You're enormously talented. you're more
talented than I am for sure as a talker. So, and they've, you know, there've been a lot of attempts
to silence you and it hasn't worked. So, my calculation always be as blunt as I can be. It's like I don't want to have Fuentes on. Everyone's going to be like, "You but you're a Nazi just like
Fuentes." Okay. But then I'm like, I don't think Fuentes is going away. Ben Shapiro tried to like
strangle him in the crib in college and now he's bigger than ever. So, it probably would just be
worth hearing what Nick Fuentes thinks. I just want to be transparent about my my motives here. Yeah. So, um those are my motives. Let me ask you, I referred earlier to the assassination attempt
The Assassination Attempt on Fuentes
against you and it's very fashionable, you know, among like the permanent victim class like every,
you know, BLM leader was, "Oh, they're trying to kill me or Seth whatever from the Babylon
B people are trying to kill me." And people use threats against them, which are like daily for a
lot of us, um, as a way to kind of make themselves unassalable or immune from criticism. Or to attack
their enemies. Your words inspired violence. What is stochastic terror? I can't even pronounce it.
You know, it's like some academic term, whatever. But you had a real assassination attempt, like an
actual one. Can which got no publicity that I recall.
What happened? Yeah. Well, you know,
it was it was after the election last year. Um, I put out this tweet and I said, uh, "Your body,
my choice on election night." And, uh, you know, I wasn't, look, I'm not going to apologize for it,
but I thought it was like a weak. It's like a lame joke. It's kind of like the most obvious phrase. A college joke. Yeah. Kind of funny. Yeah. So, I wasn't I had other good jokes that night,
but that was like the one that caught on cuz um I just think it captured the imagination of liberals who were like it's over for us, you know, which it kind of is, you know, but in some ways,
but so I I put that out there. I didn't even vote for Trump. Um but I put that tweet out for
I didn't vote at all. I just recused myself. Um but that that's just what makes it ironic
because I became in some ways emblematic of the election even though I didn't participate. But
so it got 100 million impressions on Twitter and and people were saying on the news that kids were
saying it in school. It was on like the news that in middle schools and high schools the boys were
saying that to the girls, your body, my choice. So it became this thing where it's like he's creating
this toxic environment for women. So the internet lost its mind and people then started posting my
address online because they were so unhappy with the tweet. And so on Tik Tok and on Twitter, a
screenshot of my address, my phone number, all my personal information, it went viral. And and when
I say viral, I mean there were multiple tweets that got 20 million views with my whole readout,
all my information. Like your actual address, where you spend the night. Yes. where I where I live, where I do my show, all of it. Damn. Did you know that? Yeah. I started to see it. So, the
election Tuesday, obviously, it was like Thursday that my address starts blowing up. I was going to
do a show Friday and someone shows up to my house. Some some weird looking guy shows up to my house
and just walks through the yard, walks through the gang way into the backyard and is just circling my
house and then goes away. So, we called the cops, me and my producer, and we said, "Uh, maybe we
shouldn't do a show tonight." And that weekend, we hired private security just for the weekend.
Like 200 people. You didn't have security? No. No, I don't have security. Well, I didn't then
of any kind of I didn't have cameras or anything even. I had nothing. Okay. I was raw dogging it.
Yeah. Which is what was was not smart, maybe. But never had a problem like that. I've always lived
that way, too. Yeah. But so that weekend we hired a security guard just to park his car outside the
house and monitor things. Literally 200 people came to your house. Yes. Not all at once but one
after the other driving by yelling, walking by throwing eggs. Multiple people threw eggs at my
house. Ordering pizzas, ordering Door Dash, what you know, whatever. Walking through the gang way.
It was like a war zone. like the security guard was yelling at people all night and it went on all
weekend and then it went on throughout the next week and the next weekend. Um, and it was bad.
I I got out of my house. I went to a hotel for a week while this was happening. Waited for it to
blow over. Did you do your show from the hotel? No, I took a week off. Wow. Did you announce any of this in public? No, I had to keep it very Why? I didn't want to track more of it. Yeah. You know,
cuz if you say, "Oh, they're here." Then people go, "Oh, no. we got to keep up the pressure,
you know, or turn it up. And people at that time were talking about burning my house down. Like on TikTok, there were viral videos of people saying, "We're going to burn his house down." Uh,
and then they dox my parents address. People show up to my parents house. It got really bad and
eventually it just blew over about a month passed and at that time, so it was like mid December,
mid late December. It's actually funny. It was December 18th. I remember cuz that's an important date to me and it's Joseph Stalin's birthday. Oh, I'm a fan. You're a fan of Stalin? Mhm. Oh,
he's an admirer. But yeah, we don't need to go into that. I guess like Well, let's uh Okay,
let's get back. We'll circle back to that. It was weird because the reason I mentioned that, it was almost like cuz I woke up that day and I was like, "Oh, it's December 18th." And I I was
just like very acutely aware of like today's like a strange day. This is the day that the attempt happened. And so nothing had been happening for weeks at this point. So elections like what,
November 3rd. Month and a half has passed. Nobody's coming to my house anymore rarely. And
I'm doing my show like normal. And I'm reaching the end of the show and I see out of the corner
of my eye, I get an alert from my Ring doorbell camera that somebody's at the front door. And
so I'm reading through my super chats. I'm going through live chat messages. Yeah. I'm live and um
you know I'm working through the messages and I'm I'm keeping an eye on it and I see that this guy has a loaded gun. The guy's trying to laugh. Yeah. Well, so you're live live and you see that there's
a guy with a gun outside your door. Yes. He's got a motorcycle helmet and a backpack. He's got a gun
drawn and he's knocking on the door yelling. And I the thing is I didn't want to tip him off that
I knew he was there because I thought I don't want him to get the drop on me or something,
you know. I just didn't want to give him any information about, you know, cuz I don't know if he's listening to my show, if I start freaking out or cancel the show. I don't know, maybe he he
knows more about my movements inside. So I I keep the show going for like a minute and I wrap it up
very quickly. I finish the show. My producer comes running in and I say, "Who is that? What's going
on?" And he goes, "Oh, I called the cops. They're here. The guy's gone." I said, "Okay, good." Um,
so I start getting changed out of my suit and I hear gunshots go off outside. Damn. Yeah. And I
literally like jump to the ground cuz I'm like, I don't know what's happening here.
And I step outside for a minute after the the dust kind of settles and the c there's like 10 cop cars
all up and down the street and they have the whole block locked down. Police tape everywhere. There's like a dozen cops. Like I said, the whole block is shut down. The alley is shut down and they go,
"Get back inside. Get back inside." We have no idea what's going on. We have no idea what
happened. And they wouldn't let me or my producer leave until the morning. That's how late they were
there. And finally at the end of the at the end of the night after all the cops left, I came out
in the very early morning. Did no one come and explain any of this to you? No. No. Nobody said anything. Yeah. It's ridiculous. And finally, I go out in the morning and I asked the guy, "Okay,
what happened?" He told me the story. And so, it turns out that uh it's it's this young guy. He's
23 years old, white nerd, short guy. He was at U of I University of Illinois in Orurbana Champagne,
about two hours south of where I live. He killed three people earlier in the day. He went to his
roommate's house, college roommate's house, killed his roommate, killed the sister, the guy's mother,
got in his car, and drove directly to my house, parked outside my house, got out a .22 pistol
and an automatic crossbow. weird choice. And he knocked on the door, which is where I saw him. He
went around the house. He tried he tried the back door, tried the front door, and the cops pulled
up. He took off running through the gang way, hopped the fence, ran into the neighbor's house.
I guess he went into the neighbor's basement cuz the door was unlocked. He was hiding from the police. He shot two of their dogs, which is devastating. He runs back outside and the cops see
him. He shoots at the cops. The cops shot him in the face and he dies on the spot. Who what was his
motive? They never told me. To this day, I have no idea. There's no They never told you? No. So, what
contact did you have with the police after this? They came by about a week later. Illinois State
Police came to retrieve the uh ring camera footage of the whole incident. And so they had me download
download that onto a thumb drive and that's it. I never heard from the cops. Never heard from the government. Not at all. No, nothing. A guy comes to murder you. He's murdered three other
people and two dogs. He gets shot to death and no one bothers to tell you anything. Nope. Nothing.
Is it really a country at this point? I mean, it's ridiculous. And so what was his motive?
Do you have any idea? I have no idea. I so the story that I read online um cuz the obviously
the news followed up on this and they said that so he was like 5'5 uh he got I guess he was involved
with drugs actually with his roommate. They sold drugs together something like that. Uh they had
a falling out over the drug money or something like that. The roommate beat the [ __ ] out of
him so bad he dropped out of school. He had this major falling out with the roommate but they were
close. had a big falling out. The shooter took him to small claims court over some money. Uh, and I
guess this guy was just in a downward spiral. He lost his job. He got in a hit-and- run crash
and ran from the police. Then he was swearing at the cops when they showed up to arrest him. And
I guess his life just kept getting worse and worse and worse. I assume he took it out on the roommate
and uh, dropped off, killed the whole family. It's horrifying. But how do you fit into that? So,
this is just my opinion, speculation. This is like a month after Luigi Manion. He had on a and the
shooter at my house had on a motorcycle helmet and like a costume. And so, I think he was maybe like
a copycat of Luigi Manion. He thought he was going to be like a hero and assassinate some reviled
political figure who was going viral at that time, being hated for that tweet. So I think that might
have been the motive, but that's pure speculation. I have no idea. I mean, it's a well doumented fact that all kinds of bad actors use unstable people for political assassinations, right? It's
happened. We know it's happened. So, um, do you think this might be an example of that? I don't
think so, but it's certainly possible. The reason I say I don't think so. It's kind of funny. You're
I mean I think of you as conspiracy- minded, but you don't have a conspiracy in mind here. No,
because I I really believe that when you look at all these things, and by these things, I mean
these like really disturbing instances of violence like Luigi Manion or Charlie Kirk or these school
shootings, there is something going on with these kids. It's nihilism. It's these people that are
maybe mentally defective, extremely online. I think there's like a real problem there. And
um and I don't doubt that sometimes these people are involved with maybe a foreign government
or they're being groomed or put up to it by an operative. But I think to assume that it's always
that ignores that like there's a very real problem of nihilistic surrealist violence that comes from
young people. And you know like this guy killed it's a triple homicide out of nowhere and then he
tries to kill me. I think he just went crazy, but I could be wrong. Describe the circumstances that
Why Is Political Violence in America Rising?
have led to this violence. Like what how does a normal kid, young man go from being a normal
young man to being a murderer? I think that it has a lot to do if you read through all these stories,
they always have a few things in common, which is that, and people have pointed this out, this is not new. SSRIs are always a big one, of course. But what that points to is a depressive streak.
It's always somebody that is a loner, socially dislocated or socially dysfunctional. You know,
they don't have many real life friends, engage in real life activities, slip through the cracks.
That's always how it starts. Then they get into either they're medicated by a therapist with SSRIs
or they self-medicate, which is extremely common with alcohol, weed, which is extremely potent now,
and you could get THC from like a vape pen. So, it's very powerful, very accessible. Uh, you know,
when I was in high school, my stoner friends would have to like go on a walk to the park and roll a joint. Now, with the vape, you can hit that anywhere. I guess it's very discreet.
They also do psychedelics. I think that's a huge part of it. And how how is that a huge part of
it? I think that a lot of them get turned on. They'll do alcohol, marijuana, and then I think
they get into psychedelics like LSD or MDMA. And I think um those things induce psychosis. these
psychoactive drugs, whether it's marijuana by itself or it's LSD, I think they tend to induce
psychosis and exacerbate those like existing problems. And basically what happens I I would
say that that is maybe the next step. And then the other ingredient that's always there is although
they don't have a social life in the real world, they have a social life on the internet. Yes.
And so they're deeply involved in obscure internet forums, Discord, gaming communities. Increasingly,
chat GPT is inducing psychosis. People talk to chat GPT all day, all night. And you you basically
have between the three of these things, they kind of go into like a different world between the
psychoactive substances, the makebelieve reality of the internet, totally disconnected from the
real world. I I think they enter into like this delusional state. And I think that's where that
shooter in Minneapolis, I think that's what that was. I think if Tyler Robinson is found guilty,
there's been some interesting screenshots about him and his transgender boyfriend, it's the same story there. If that's true, and I would imagine it was not dissimilar with the guy that showed up
and tried to kill me. I think those are always the ingredients that produce that kind of violence.
Why Fuentes Hates Weed and Alcohol
It's interesting your uh audience as I imagine it. I I've never seen any of your numbers. I don't
even know how big your audience is. It seems big to me, but I think of them as young men. Mhm. Is
that's that's the bulk of your audience, right? Yes. Um and yet here you are criticizing weed
and video games and the internet and you work on the internet. You are a creation. I mean, you wouldn't exist without the internet. Of course, you didn't get a job at NBC News. So
what what kind of reaction do you get when you say when you criticize weed gaming and the internet to young men? A lot of them agree with it because they get it. It's their life. A lot of them that's
their life. Their life is and another thing we didn't even bring up is the porn thing which
is there also. This is their life. Weed, gaming, porn. And I think they know it's bad. I think they
know there's like some sense of guilt. And so it's interesting. I would say it's maybe an 8020 split
where 20% say, "Oh, you're against weed? Not cool, man. It's just a plant. What?" You know, they're
very defensive about it about these addictions. And I think 80% say, "I know I have a problem.
Like I I have a guilty conscience. I know it's bad. I know it's terrible." Why are you against weed? Because um I think that it's uh compromises the integrity of your mental faculties. I think
there's something deeply wrong with that when you um I'm against alcohol, too. I think it's wrong to
to numb pain. I think pain is a part of life. I think uh sobriety is like should be experienced.
And I think that weed is even worse because I think that one, it's very dangerous. There's
a lot of numbers now out of like California and Washington that people are going to the hospital for psychosis. People are going crazy because of it. It's also more subtle and therefore more
insidious. It's like you can't, you know, I Well, I've done it. If you have a, you know, 12-pack for breakfast, like everyone knows, but if you take a hit off the dab pen, like nobody knows. Mhm. So,
you can use it all the time. Yeah. And it makes you uh a loser. It makes you lazy. You know,
people that are people that are addicted to weed are not motivated, don't care about anything other
than weed. You know, there's sort of like an irony there where I used to hang out with a lot of stoners in high school. I never smoked weed, but all my friends did. And they were so chill
and relaxed and didn't care about anything. But if you criticized weed, they would freak out and get
extremely defensive. Yes, I've noticed. Right. If you insinuate that it's addictive, if you say it's
a problem, they get very like junky behavior. And uh so I've always hated. I think it's disgusting.
How Porn Is Destroying Men
What is porn exactly? Like describe how available is porn? What is it? I know what porn is,
but like you said it's a huge factor in the lives of young men and a bad factor. Why? Well,
this is another thing where it's it's reality distortion. That that's kind of the theme. Just
like psychedelics distort reality, just like a kind of internet society is uh a form of delusion,
so is porn in the sense that, you know, a lot of people maybe don't realize, and we talked about
this a little bit, people are getting turned on to porn when they're like 10 years old. And it's
when you are going through puberty, when you're developing your sexual faculties, how could you
stay away from that? Every kid has a phone. Every kid has an iPad. And every iPad and phone is, if
you, you know, if you know what it is, loaded up with porn. And it's infinite. And it's ubiquitous.
And it's, you can get every kind of it you want, whenever you want. It's in your pocket. And so,
something that is almost never talked about is that this is a generation that's totally sexually
dysfunctional, I think, because of pornography. And some people are able to cope with it.
Some people don't have a problem, but I think a lot of people and maybe even a small minority
have a serious problem with it. And the problem people sexually dysfunctional, I think that it's
impossible for a real woman to compete with the availability and the novelty of pornography.
a real woman. Uh, you know, like without getting graphic is she's only one person and
you know she's maybe she wants to do something sexual, maybe she doesn't. Porn is you could
have a hundred different women in one sitting doing anything that whatever whatever niche or
idiosyncratic thing a person might be into, it's there. And so I think that novelty combined with
that availability, it makes it so that you know when you think about courting a woman, juice isn't
worth the squeeze. And so there there's like also a problem of like erectile dysfunction. People
that that can't enjoy regular sex because it it does not compare to the intensity, the novelty,
and the availability of porn. It it's hyper stimulation. And so I think that's sabotaging
a lot of normal sexual relationships. It seems like it's making a lot of people gay, too. Yeah.
And trans. You think that's true? 100%. What is that? I think that uh the novelty is a huge part
of that. I think that if you are somebody that uses pornography multiple times per day, which
many people do, actually. Oh, absolutely. That's a lot of jerking off. It's a huge problem. Yeah.
And you know, if you're doing that multiple times a day, every day for years since you're a kid,
well, eventually you you get bored and you want to move on to something more extreme and you
you're kind of it's operates, I think, similar to like a drug. You you kind of have the same kind of resistance to it um that you would to a drug or a tolerance for it and you're always chasing
that initial feeling the first time you used it or the first time you saw a certain thing. And I think eventually you just chase more taboo, more transgressive. And I think maybe some people
are more prone to that than other people going in his really direction. How Charlie Sheen got AIDS
actually. Yeah. Yeah. Through just being jaded and looking for something more transgressive. That's
just a fact. And there's something too about what it does when you look at it. when you cuz people
don't realize that it is a fundamentally different experience being involved in intercourse versus
watching other people have intercourse and I think that actually does something to you. Tell me what
do you mean? I think that you know for example uh I think Steve Sailor has written about this
that there's multiple kinds of transsexuals and he says that one kind of transsexual is somebody
that likes the idea of seeing themselves as a woman. It's autogophilia. Yes. And I think that,
you know, one of the theories for that is you you watch a man having sex with a woman that isn't you so much you kind of achieve an identity with the woman in like a weird sick way. You almost
identify with the woman. And so there's weird things that happen when you're Yes. watching
that and having such strong emotional and sexual experiences with it. That's fascinating. I have
always been I've sensed for a long time having had a lot of young male employees mention porn as
a problem. I mean the big porn companies give visibility to foreign intel services on the
back end. So that means people know what you're looking at. There's likely video and audio of you
watching. So that you know that's like so so such a deal killer for me. Um, I'm not a huge expert
on the topic, but I have always sensed this was a huge deal, but I've always been too embarrassed to like do a show on it. Mhm. But it sounds like you're describing something that's everywhere that
affects everybody and that is Do you think it's related to the, you know, the huge decline in like
Toxic Feminism
actual sex and relationships and marriage, screwed up dating? All of this derives in part from porn,
do you think? I think it's a huge part of it. It's a huge factor. And it it's even on the other side too. It's become so dstigmatized for women to actually participate in porn. Only people
don't even recognize that only fans is a whole separate category. It's a new, it's an innovation
in the realm of pornography because you have what everyone considers what everyone knows as porn,
which is like videos of porn stars, like dedicated career sex workers having sex
uh in a relatively controlled environment or something like that. But then you get Only Fans, which is like Patreon for nudes or sex. And basically there's now a a very large subculture,
much larger than people want to admit, of women who the moment they turn 18, that is what they do
is they make an Only Fans account and they become an amateur porn star. And it is completely casual,
you know, because you you could say that maybe 10 years ago, even at the heyday of internet porn,
to be in porn, you got to be a porn star. Like that's your life and that's your career and that's who you are. and is very shameful. With only fans, it's like um it's like having a Tik Tok. It's like
here's my link tree, here's my Instagram account, here's my Facebook account, here's my YouTube,
and here's my Only Fans. Why would any of this be legal? I think that um well, there's like you
indicated, maybe there's an intelligence benefit to that. Yeah, maybe there's a political benefit
to that. I think that well why wouldn't you arrest the people who run something like that? They should be if you had a Christian government or how about just a government that cares about
its people? I mean is Iran a bigger threat or is only fans? I don't Iran's not turning my daughters to prostitution that I'm aware of. Right. Right. I mean that seems like one of the worst things that
could happen to any society. Oh absolutely. So how big is the support for that? Like if
a candidate were to come out and say we ought to arrest the guys who own MineGeek, which is the biggest I think it's the biggest porn supplier in the world, or the guys who run Only Fans. What
would the reaction be among I don't know people under 50? I think there would be broad support for
that. Really? I do actually. Yes. I hope someone will say that and I hope someone arrests them like
right away. Yeah, that was actually seizes their assets and puts them in prison. Well, seizes their their their bodies and puts them in jail. Yeah. I mean the owners of that people who
are I mean talk about human trafficking. Yeah. Oh yeah. I thought we were against human trafficking. Yeah. So you but you think that young people cuz you always think of young people as so liberal but
like no they wouldn't think that was crazy. No. I I think especially among young men they know it's
a problem. It's ruining their lives and they know it. So what are the other factors that prevent I'm
sorry I called you gay by the way but I'm always sh I think I'm just too old or something. I'm like why why is anyone married? You tell me. Why isn't Why aren't people married? Well, I mean, honestly,
it's the women. The women are extremely liberal. No one talks about that. They're increasingly they
do, especially after the last election. There's a 45 point difference between men and women. The
men are extremely conservative. Increasingly, the women are extremely liberal. What are they liberal? On what issues? Like what does that mean, liberal? Oh, on on they're very feminist.
Like actually extremely feminist. Yes. They don't believe that, do they? I think they do. Really?
Absolutely. Yes. How do you believe that? I think that gender roles are a construct that none of this is inbornne. Like you'd have to be an idiot to think that. They like the idea of it.
They they like the because of course I think all women naturally want strong men. Of obviously they
naturally want a Chad, you know? They want like a tall buff guy. Um, but they I think they like the
idea of none of them want to work either. None of them actually work. That's what I'm saying.
Of course, that's of course it's obviously true. It's always been work outside the home, right? They don't have enough work at home. You know, there's a lot to do. But no, I completely
agree. So that's why I question like they're feminists in what sense? Yes. And you know, they like these vague appeals to equality. We we want a chance to work and we want respect. And you know,
ultimately, I think the whole political system is just based around women never being accountable
for any of their choices. Ultimately, that seems to be what that's what abortion is. Yeah, of course. Cuz 99% of abortions are elective. So, they say it's an unplanned pregnancy. You had sex
out of wedlock with someone you didn't intend to have kids with. So, now we have to kill the kids in the womb. And you know, these no fault divorce laws. These women get married to guys. maybe they
never intend to stay with. And then when they're out, they're done. And they want child support and they want half the stuff. And I think a lot of men are looking at women and they're they're very
liberal. They're overweight. They have a a very high estimation of themselves. I think that people
call it hoflation. Yes. They're their sense of their own looks and sexual value is very inflated.
Um, and so a lot of people are looking at these like frumpy, obnoxious, loudmouth, liberal women
who are who are also very promiscuous and saying this is not actually appealing at all. And I don't
I don't want to start a family with a person. Yeah, it is. But if you believe in the patriarchy,
as I fervently do, cuz it's just reality, you know, we didn't choose the system. We were born
into a system that is part of nature. Can't get out of it. So if you believe that that's true, which it is, then you think that men should lead and if it's going to be better, men should make
it better because that's their job, right? So you don't want to give them a pass, do you? And be like, it's all the the girls suck. So I I don't even blame it on the women because I think
that it's it's the incentive structures. You know, women are allowed to do this by the legal system,
by kind of social norms. Technology is a big part of it. the attention that is available to women.
Women go on Instagram and they get attention from thousands of men. Um, so it's the incentives, but
I would say that because I hear this all the time. People say, "Well, the men need to step up and be better and lead the women." Easier said than done. I agree. I agree with that. They're at war with
the system and and not even just the system, but also society. Because let's say you find a one
of these so-called good girls who's Christian and traditional, but through osmosis, wherever you go,
she's going to be in society. She's going to be on TikTok. She's going to be on Instagram. She's
going to be talking to other women. And maybe she's one way you when you meet and get married,
but 10 years down the road, 15 years, 20 years down the road, people change. And I think that
women as kind of the ultimate conformists, the ultimate enforcers of like social norms. I think
eventually the pressure from society kind of gets to them and a lot of them will go into depends what kind of husbands they have. I mean, if there's real leadership at home, I don't know
a single happily married woman who's liberal. Not one. I know a lot of married women. I mean, I'm
56. All the women I know are married. And every happily married woman is non-liberal. I can't even
imagine. There's there's no category for happily married middle-aged liberal woman. There isn't
never been one, right? So, like maybe the job is to, you know, make a girl happy and like all this
nonsense ends. Yeah. I don't know. I think that that that could be a bottomless pit too because
the one critique I have of the men is and you're right about this. They enable this behavior. Well,
that's for sure. It's epidemic of simps who especially with Christians. I've noticed this.
This is why Andrew Tate has so much appeal and the Christians are kind of losing this conversation.
Andrew Tate's a Muslim polygamist who is very chauvinistic and and you could even argue as
someone who has ran an only fan site himself like is not an observer let's say of Christian sexual
morality. No. But men are going with him because he's putting women in their place. He's talking
about patriarchy and women's place in a society like that. Whereas Christian men, Catholics,
Protestants alike are both kind of tone policing the men and they they worship their wives. They
worship the women, put them on a pedestal, and they um you know, they they kind of get bossed
around. They get henpecked by the women. I think we're required to love our wives. Like that's I
mean, all over the New Testament, husbands, love your wives. Wives respect your husbands. That seems like a very natural balance to me. Yeah. And and I think that you have to love your wife as
your wife. Yeah. A lot of men as opposed to what? Your mom. Well, no. Like like your buddy? No. Cuz
I hear this all the time and I I hate this. Guys will say, "I I married my best friend."
And I think, you know, she's your wife. She's not your best friend. Because there's a difference.
What is the difference? I think that when you talk about your best friend, you're a peer. You're an
equal. And I think your best friendships are with other men. And I think that your wife ultimately
is subordinate to you. She's your helpmate. And ultimately as the man in the marriage and the
as the father, you have authority, the final say over the household, and she can give advice. It's
not to say, "I'm not an a freak where you say, "Shut up, woman." I mean, of course, you discuss
things with your wife and your wife gives input, but the authority rests with the man. Of course.
Of course. But there's God set up this kind of amazing system where men are physically stronger.
Mhm. So, like, of course, you could make your wife do whatever you wanted. You're bigger than she is, right? But he also instilled in men this desire to please your wife. Like, that's a very natural
thing. You want your wife to be happy. And the whole happy wife, happy life thing is is completely real. It's like you can't get away from it. It's not like all of these things. It's
not a choice. It's the biological reality that you live with that you were born with. Like you want your wife to be happy and if she's unhappy, you're unhappy to a much greater extent than vice
versa. Right. Yeah. I think men care about their wives being happy much more than wives care about their husbands being happy. I have noticed and that's compensation for their lack of physical
power. That's my view of it. And that's why it is this kind of perfect balance. But somebody needs
to be the final decision maker. I completely agree. And when you when you give up that when you abregate that, there's no respect, there's unhappiness, and there's infidelity. Right. Well,
that's the ingredient that's missing. I the way I would put it very succinctly is men right now
are the responsible party but have no authority. And that doesn't work. No, it doesn't. You know,
if you are held, if the buck stops with you and you're to blame and you're the responsible one,
then you also need to be able to have the final say and call the shots. And one without the other doesn't work. And I think that I think that's really smart and and absolutely right.
I do think I just noticed this that men who stay unmarried for too long become like kind
of fragile. There's something about the give and take. There's something about living with, in fact, I think it's the key to life, someone you don't fully understand, that broadens you, that
keeps you always thinking, that makes you wiser, more patient, more thoughtful, more self-aware,
uh, and more flexible. And those are all good qualities. And, and the and the absence of that,
like in homosexuality or like men who are single too long, they get very rigid. Have you ever noticed this? Like I like things the way I like them and they just get like, "No." Oh, yeah. Yeah.
I certainly get what you mean by that. Yeah. You don't want that. Yeah. I would say that when when
you say you don't fully understand women, to me, I feel like women are very simple in terms of Have
you ever lived with one? No, I haven't lived with them. But I mean, and don't get me wrong, maybe it's difficult, but I feel like they're pretty simple. We're all pretty simple. I mean that,
you know, no one's more simple than I am, but yeah, we're all pretty simple, but what I mean is like on a day-to-day level of experience, like you don't always understand what they're saying,
what the because it's never about what they say it's about, right? And men are just tend to be kind of doglike in their straightforwardness, you know? I'm hungry, I'm horny, whatever it is. I I
disagree. I feel like men are complicated. I feel like women are like, I'm hungry, I'm horny. I feel like men are very complicated. Really? How? Because men have different men are
masters of the universe. Women are the universe. You know, this is what Spendler says about them.
And so I think that men have like a deep connection to things like math and space and
they want to conquer the world, you know, things like this. And and women I feel like are actually very primal and instinctual. They want security. Yes. Yes. You know, they're of the terrestrial
never embarrassed by bodily functions. Men are so squeamish. Yes, women are not at all. They give
birth. No, that is absolutely true. But I mean, in the way that women present their concerns,
there's almost always something that's not being fully expressed. Like, I got mad at you last night
cuz I was pissed about something last year. That's not a male thing to do. You can't remember what happened last year. Right. Right. Right. Right. And so, but anyway, but whatever the point. Men
and women talk past each other constantly. They don't always know what the other one is saying.
And that frustration actually gives way to like great beauty over time. I would say I don't know.
I I I personally find women very frustrating when they are not expressing and I just view that as
any of it. I see the way I look at it is like when you look at your favorite TV shows, right,
The Sopranos, Breaking Bad, it's like the wife is the villain because it's like the main character,
if the wife could just get out of the way, would be running the show. And that's kind
of how I feel like Rand, I agree with her about this. She said that the wife's role is like hero
worship. The guy is the hero. The guy is supposed to be the entrepreneur, the conqueror, whatever.
And the woman is really supposed to support the man's goals and be in his world. And I've Man, that's the last thing successful men need is more power worship, more hero worship,
more you're so great. You get that at work. You don't want that at home. You become an unbearable
[ __ ] And then you fall prey to what destroys every successful man, which is hubris. Like you mistake yourself for God. You need someone who's not interested in what you do at all,
only interested in you. And that's how you become balanced and wise. M that's how you know your own
limits because the ass kissing is what kills you. It's not I mean you had someone come to murder you
at home. It you've been it doesn't seem to have affected you that much. And if I were married, dude, she would never let me hear the end of it. Well, that's probably true. But but that's not
that's not what destroys men. It's not adversity that destroys men. It's comfort and flattery that
destroys men. Right? That's what happened at King David. It's what happens to them all. They're so
great. You can never go wrong. I just feel like we do we have um I don't feel like we have an
abundance of affection from women. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like in terms of where the pendulum
is at, I feel like the women are very unloving to the men. That's why like they don't cook cuz
that's like the best way to express a love for a man. I said this on my show the other night. I'm like the most beautiful words a woman could say is like I made you dinner. I made you cookies. Yeah.
cuz that that is like an act of love. And I think that you know speaking as maybe from a different
generation the way that men feel now is like you know women are not really providing too much. They
expect so much from the men. They want to they want the man to be rich and provide. They want the
man to be fit and a real leader and a real man. They also want to split the chores with the man.
They want the man to do half the laundry and half the dishes and things like that. And it's like,
so what do you do all day? You're on TikTok. You're like doom scrolling and eating Cheetos. Like what what actually are you providing in the relationship? So I just feel like in terms of the
deficit, it's like women are very emboldened. They're they're too I think assertive, always
giving their opinions, always critiquing, always, you know, I I think that they're very bold right
now. And I think and sarcastic. I think that's a big reason why they're not very attractive. I get it. I All I would say is that in a happy marriage, all of that goes away. There's no arguing about
who does what. People fall seamlessly into the roles they were born into. They acknowledge those are not insecure about it at all. They express love in a whole bunch of different ways by serving
each other. It's like super easy and and all of that obnoxious entitled. You don't make enough
money. All that crap just disappears. Mhm. Anyway, that's been my experience. So, last question.
What Does America’s Future Look Like?
Where is all of this going in this country? Like, where are we in 5 years? Not anywhere
good. I'm I'm really concerned and I'm not one of these um doomsday sers. You know, there's a
lot of people there forever, but you know, the sky's falling every day, but I really feel like
um the things that concern me the most, it's the assassination of Charlie Kirk. seemed like we
crossed a Rubicon there. I agree with that because he's just a conservative guy, relatively moderate,
expressing his opinions. He's not the president. He's not a politician. And and it wasn't just that
he got shot. It was what happened afterward, which is that a 100,000 liberals went on TikTok and
celebrated. And that shows that there how can you integrate or or harmonize with people that hate
you that much? they see some, you know, and and I understand that liberals thought he was a jerk,
like maybe he was a little rude or something like that. And he really wasn't. I mean, he was pretty patient, as patient as they got. I just tried to fill in for him last week and immediately snapped
at some kid and threatened to beat him up and went crazy. And and I had said a prayer for patience, by the way, and I still couldn't handle it. So, no, Charlie Kirk was a remarkably even killed,
patient, decent man. Yes. And Yeah. So whatever their perception of him was to see him get his
his face blown up in front of everybody like that and your first the first reaction of someone in
the crowd who was present some guy with a beard jumps up and celebrates. Did you see this? No.
Some liberal kid in the audience jumps up and says, "All right." I literally can't handle it. I'm so upset by it. I haven't looked at anything. It's disgusting. And you I saw that and said,
"Yeah, like there's no putting the genie back in the lamp here." That was one. The other thing
I'm really worried about is what's happening at these ICE detention centers where it's happening
not far from where I live in Broadview, Illinois, where they set up an ICE detention facility. And
the administration is rounding these people up, which I support, but they're doing it in a very provocative way. They're broadcasting it. They're making hype edits on Twitter of
like these raids on apartment complexes, which I think are very cool, but it's somewhat provocative
and Antifa showing up in order to protect ICE. The administration's putting DHS. Well,
now they're protesting the DHS presence and and the administration of the governor of Illinois and
the mayor of Chicago are telling Chicago police, don't help ICE. And they're encouraging the
protesters. And what I see there is like a level of tension that just keeps increasing. Yes. And
there's leadership. There's civilian leadership on both sides. Like the governor and mayor who
are Democrats won't back down versus a Republican president. There's a security uh division too.
The police versus ICE, the police versus DHS. There's a constitutional question about the
federal supremacy, you know, and I see all the ingredients of like a low boil civil conflict,
full-blown civil war, and I'm not that guy, but I see all the ingredients there for that to happen.
So, I'm I'm deeply concerned about where that will go. How how would you handle it if you were in charge? If you're the president, what do you do about that? I think maybe this is controversial
but they have to crush the other side. They have to because you can do one of two things. You
can not challenge the left and let them do their thing. Or you can utterly confront them and defeat
them and and remove hope from the equation. If you resist, you will be arrested. Like we're just this
is an insurrection. There's 10 million people here illegally. We're getting them out. You're rioting. You're going to jail, too. like it has to be crushed. But if you do anything less than that,
if you do in the middle, all you're doing is antagonizing and feeding the other side. And
if they think there's a chance they can win, they will get bolder and stronger and they'll start to
rally. And that's when it's sort of like people think it's close or like it's contentious. That's
when it breathes. That's when oxygen is fed to this kind of fire. So if I were Trump, I would
say screw 200 National Guard. Like arrest the mayor of Chicago, like arrest the governor. Shut
it down. Like make it clear like like Washington, you know, bring in the troops and say the federal
government is supreme. The immigration law is the law of the land. If you're not on board with that, you're going to jail. If you attack ICE or box them in with your car, you're going to jail
for a long time. Anything less than that, you might as well just not even bark up that tree at all. Nick Fuentes, thank you very much. Thank you. It's nice to meet you. Likewise.
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Billionaires Are Planning Gaza’s 'Rebuild' — And It’s Sickening
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Jared Kushner, Peter Thiel and Larry Ellison are linked to plans In Gaza that will certainly make them even richer. Cenk Uygur and Ana Kasparian discuss on The Young Turks.



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[Candace Owens] It makes me sick that they think we're
this dumb. 85% of Gaza has been destroyed in this
pre-planned controlled demolition of
Gaza. Netanyahu is on camera explicitly
before October 7th saying we need to hit
them so hard that they can't come back.
Jared Kushner will financially benefit from whatever
they build in its place. Again, all of
this began before October 7th.

There is a concerted effort to make
Candace Owens look like she's absolutely
insane because of what she said in that
clip. "Oh, she's being conspiratorial."
"She doesn't know what she's talking
about." But it looks like Candace Owens
was on to something when she made those
statements. Because according to reports
in Israeli media, which is what I like
to read, Jared Kushner, Peter Teal, Elon
Musk, and Oracle's Larry Ellison are
planning to turn Gaza into a haven for
billionaires. In other words, ethnic
cleansing still on the table,
of course.
Yeah. So, I'm going to show you a
screenshot of the piece I'm talking
about. It had to be translated uh to
English. Okay. but it's from a website
uh an Israeli publication known as
Globes. Jared Kushner and Peter Teal are
also in Gaza could become a tax haven
that will bring about the normalization
agreement with Saudi Arabia. The huge
economic project of rebuilding Gaza
after the war is already attracting
interest from countries, billionaires,
and former leaders, from Trump's
son-in-law Jared Kushner, who aspires to
establish AI centers in the strip to
foreign investors looking for enabling
regulation. Um, experts predict the
development initiatives could serve as
leverage to promote normalization with
Saudi Arabia, also through Kushner's
involvement. But the road there is still
fraught with political and security
obstacles. Fascinating. Now look, if
that sounds crazy to you, I just want
everyone to believe people when they say
out loud what they intend to do. And
Jared Kushner is really no exception.
Take a look.
There are real fears on the part of
Arabs, and I'm sure you talked to a lot
of them, who think once Gazins leave
Gaza, Netanyahu is never going to let
them back in.
um maybe but I'm not sure there's much
left of Gaza at this point. So, you
know, if you think about even the
construct like, you know, Gaza, Gaza was
not really a historical precedent,
right? It was the result of of a war.
And so, my sense is is I would say how
do we deal with the terror threat that
is there so that it cannot be a threat
to Israel or to Egypt, right? I think
that both sides are spending a fortune
on military. I think neither side uh
really wants to have, you know, a
terrorist organization enclaved right
between them. I mean, Gaza is waterfront
property. It could be very valuable, but
I think from Israel's perspective, I
would do my best to move the people out
and then clean it up.
He said it out loud.
Yep.
He said it out loud, guys. So, look, I
have a lot of areas with of disagreement
with Candace Owens. There's no question.
But to make her out to be insane for
saying statements like that, I think is
crazy. The people accusing her of being
crazy are the real insane people because
it's all right here in front of us,
guys.
Yeah. Yeah. So, all right. Uh, let's
start with uh Jared Kushner. So, he
says, "Well, you know, the people are
saying conspiratorally the the guy's
trying to give him a layup that they're
going to move out the Palestinians. I
mean, that's ethnic cleansing
and not let them come back
and not let them come back." And Jared
Kushner's like,
"Yeah, maybe." In other words, yeah, of
course, that's our plan. And then he
goes on to confirm for he says Gaza
doesn't even exist as the, you know,
it's a historical context war blah blah
blah blah blah. Okay. And you know,
maybe we move the people out.
Yeah. That's called ethnic cleansing.
And you're saying it on tape and you're
saying, "I want to do it so I can make
more money." Is that a trope? Cuz I
didn't say it. You said it. So, okay.
So, your plan is to murder these people,
ethnically cleanse them, destroy all of
Gaza, so you could rebuild it as
waterfront property for you and for
Israel. Well, I don't know anything more
disgusting than that. Don't come at me
about denouncing Candace Owens until you
denounce Jared Kushner. Okay. Did
anybody denounce Jared Kushner? Did
anybody call him an anti-Muslim bigot, a
terrorist,
someone who wants to ethnically cleanse
2.2 million people? No. I'm not going to
denounce Tucker Carlson or Candace Owens
or anyone else who, by the way, treat
the Palestinians and Muslims and Arabs
these days in a shocking turn of events
as if they're human beings more so than
mainstream media does. way more.
Denounce all of mainstream media who
treats the Palestinians as dispensable
and not fully human.
100%.
I denounce all of you. I denounce every
cable news anchor. Now, are you going to
But you're going to pressure everyone?
Oh, no. No. Candace has made Israel
unhappy by singing up for Palestinians
who are being slaughtered at record
numbers. You guys have No, we don't have
to denounce her at all. Okay. I am very
happy about her support for the
Palestinians.
Agreed.
And they say, "Oh, no, but we're so much
more important."
I mean, yeah, the Palestinians are dead,
but we have been offended. That's so
much more. No, it's not. No. The lives
of the Palestinians are infinitely more
important than you being offended by
Candace
Owens. So, let me get to more details
about this uh reporting in again Israeli
media. The US media, I'm sure, could
report on this, but interestingly
enough, they uh failed. They don't. Huh.
What a weird coincidence.
The piece actually quotes specific
people and that's important because
you're putting a name onto these
statements which makes it a lot more
credible. So, Hadus Lorber, head of the
Israelus US project at the Institute for
National Security Studies and head of
the Institute for Responsible Artificial
Intelligence at HIT, sees the increasing
involvement of Kushner and former
British Prime Minister Tony Blair,
of course,
in rebuilding the Gaza Strip and shaping
the governmental and civilian reality
there after the war. as a good sign. The
Saudis and Emiratis are interested in
taking part in the Gaza Reconstruction
Plan, which beyond demilitarizing it and
entrusting it to a technocratic
government based on local forces with
Arab backing is supposed to become,
according to Blair and Kushner, a city
of taxfree startups with scattered
server farms for cloud processing and
artificial intelligence. and at its
center, a Tesla factory where cheap
local labor will work.
The plan is also receiving encouragement
from several billionaires such as Peter
Teal, who's the actual Antichrist, and
Larry Ellison, the other antichrist, who
are looking for new taxfree areas and
simple uh regulation, meaning no
regulation, with the latter also willing
to invest $350 million in the plan. I
mean, Peter Teal is giving lectures on
the Antichrist.
Look in the mirror,
Yeah. So, I want talk about Peter Teal
and Larry Listen, but first, and I mean,
you guys got that right. So, they're
like, "We're going to take it for Israel
and the billionaires in America. We're
going to surveil them with Palunteer and
Oracle, and as Larry Ellison pointed
out, we now have the equipment that
could track every person, and if they're
doing anything we don't like, that's it.
We lock them up or we kill them or
whatever it is." He didn't say kill him
or lock him up. He just said we have the
ability to track all of you and the
citizens will be, you know, well behaved
now. Okay. So, these monsters are going
over. They're going to wipe out
everyone. They already wiped out 93% of
the buildings. They're going to rebuild
it for Israel and for themselves. And
they're going to use the Palestinians as
cheap labor, basically as slaves.
They're the most disgusting people on
earth. Those two. Okay. So now Peter
Teal to Anna's point, we that's why
we're ironically saying the Antichrist
because what a ludicrous thing to say.
Well, Antichrist, what kind of nonsense
talk is that? Okay. And guess what? He
gave two options as the potential
antichrist. Peter Teal apparently
Christian, whatever the hell he is,
right? He's some sort of radical now in
in terms of religious fer. What a dumb
person. Like, oh, I found the answer.
It's in radical religion. Okay. Yeah,
you sound really smart. Anyways, he says
the two possibilities are Greta Tunberg.
Yeah, the Antichrist is going to come as
a tiny Swedish girl with no power.
That's likely. Okay. Or he named some
guy who is opposed to AI cuz he's
worried about all the things we're
worried about. Turns out the guy's
Jewish.
So, one of the two potential antichrists
is Jewish according to Peter Teal. Wait
a minute. Isn't that the biggest
anti-semitic trope of all time?
But sh he's working with us to enslave
the Palestinians and to monitor them and
to do all these things and he's going to
set up one of the things here. And by
the way, we're then going to bring that
technology to America and we're going to
surveil all of you so you're good boys
and girls and don't protest Israel or
the current government or any of the
corporations that have taken over and
are terrorizing us. So now let's go to
Larry Ellison. Mention of Tony Blair
there. We mentioned earlier in the show,
Larry Ellison uh gave $5 million to
Marco Rubio earlier in his career for a
super PAC. And that's just from one
email that we saw. God knows how much he
gave to him overall.
Can I just add a little more to that cuz
it's important.
When Marco Rubio was running for
president in 2015 in the Republican
primary, he submitted his speeches to
Larry Ellison and the Israeli ambassador
to the United States to prove that he
was adequately pro-Israel enough. After
Larry Ellison did the vetting, he hosted
a fundraiser for Marco Rubio
and gave him $5 million out of his money
for that super PAC, let alone a million
dollars that Rubio has taken publicly
from the Israeli lobby, let alone the
dark money, let alone everything. Okay,
so that's why and then in the middle of
that story, we did something about this
and then that became an internet meme.
And today, as the pro-Israel radicals
continue to uh uh terrorize us and stalk
us and do death threats, I say from now
on, when you talk about Larry Ellison,
do this. It's not about Jewish people.
It's not even about Israel, is just
about Larry Ellison. So Larry Ellison
then gave $35 million to who? Oh, Tony
Blair to Tony Blair's so-called charity
nonprofit. Okay. And so Tony Blair is
stinking rich now because of Larry
Ellison and he's the one who's going to
be in charge of this peace process. In
other words, they rigged it so that the
bad guys are in charge. They're going to
continue to brutalize the Palestinians.
They have a plan to just wipe them out,
bulldoze them, and take it over for
Israel and set up these centers where,
hey, you know what? We might allow some
of the Palestinians back in to be slave
labor for us. And then lastly on the
point that Anna started with, I I
figured out why the Israeli press is so
much better than American press because
in America they could just call you an
anti-semite and destroy your life. But
in Israel, everybody's Jewish. So that
that trick doesn't work. So the Israeli
press of course has tons of propaganda
in favor of Netanyahu, etc. But also
some great reporting like we found out
among the many many things we found out
from the Israeli press is that the IDF
thinks their civilian kill ratio is 83%
in Gaza. The worst of any group, any
terrorist group or any country in the
world. Right? So now what's amazing is
the American press has never reported
that or reported this or reported any of
the things that the Israeli press is
publicly reporting. But the American
press looks at and goes, "Uh, I don't
want my life ruined."
That's exactly right.
So, I'm not going to, even though it's
true and super relevant, I'm not going
to say it. Instead, I'm going to write
an article that's basically Israeli
propaganda cuz I don't want to be fired
and I don't want my life ruined by these
pro-Israel radicals.
And also, look, reporting this kind of
stuff in American media might actually
sour Americans against Israel. in Israel
reporting this kind of stuff is just
it's Tuesday like this is what we're
planning on doing and uh aren't you
happy that the terrorist enclave will no
longer exist essentially like I mean
this piece did not call all Palestinians
terrorists but isn't that what Jared
Kushner did in his statement there a
terrorist enclave
he's a terrorist
I mean 100% so a few a few more details
because it's this story is so important
guys because you're going to hear all
sorts of lies about like oh yeah they're
working around the clock for a peace
deal No, they're not. Okay. In fact,
here's more uh from our friend Hadus
Lorber who says that Israel's full Okay.
So, Israel's full normalization with
Saudi Arabia is still subject to
political constraints and Palestinian
demands. Lorber argues. Therefore, pay
attention to this statement. This is
important. Therefore, the solution now
is a graduated model postponing an
immediate decision on issues such as the
two-state solution.
According to the plan, Israel may or may
not recognize the Palestinian people's
aspiration for self-determination in the
future after certain conditions are met.
But the bottom line, in the Trump era,
normalization with Israel is seen as
part of a model in which the American
administration controls the Middle East
through uh the leverage of local
capital.
And one other thing I want to note, now
that all of the living hostages have
been returned and the remains of some of
the hostages or at least the hostages
they can find have been returned, um
there are a lot of overt statements
about how no that they want to they want
to continue the genocide. So, here's a
video of Bosel Smootrich um basically
making clear that the Israelis are in on
all of this, meaning the uh real estate
bonanza.
Let's watch that and then I'll give you
the statements in English uh for our
audio audience.
[Music]
Trump.
[Music]
He said, "We have paid a lot of money
for this war." No, you haven't. American
citizens have.
Yeah, you didn't pay anything.
We went into debt for for this. We have
paid a lot of money for this war. We
have to see how we are dividing up the
land in percentages. The demolition, the
first stage in the city's renewal, we
have already done. Now we need to build.
There is a business plan put together by
the most professional people here that
is on President Trump's desk. They say
it out loud and when they say what they
intend to do, when they show you who
they are, just believe them.
I mean, he couldn't have been any
clearer there. He said, "We're going to
make money off of it. There's a business
plan. We're going to split up Gaza.
we're going to have certain percentages
and and that's why we're destroying
everything in Gaza. But American media
is like, "Oh, no. It's just a
coincidence that they happen to destroy
93% of the buildings in Gaza. It's just
a coincidence that they have cranes and
bulldozers and steamrollers right now
destroying uh the parts of Gaza that
they control. And they already destroyed
the parts they don't control. They
already have 53% of Gaza. They already
stole half of Gaza." But American media
says, "No, not only are you not allowed
to report facts, if you report facts,
we'll try to ruin your life." Right? So
tell me you're not Israeli propaganda. I
mean, you saw it on tape. You heard him
say it.
Nope. NBC won't cover it. CBS, ABC, CNN,
Fox News, New York Times, Washington
Post. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. lie
after lie after lie to do Israeli
propaganda and not tell you the real
reason. Which if you all you got to do
is go to the Israeli press and you'll
see they're on tape all over the place
going, "Yeah, we're gonna ethnically
cleanse them. We're going to steal that
land and we're going to make it ours and
we're going to make a lot of money off
of it.
Don't tell me it's a trope." He said it.
He said it. That's a terrorist. And I
hope one day that he fa faces a
Nuremberg type of trial. him, Ben Gavir,
Netanyahu at a minimum, but almost that
entire cabinet.
Yep.

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Did Charlie Kirk Fake His Death? The Squib Theory Explained
TriggerSmart
Nov 9, 2025 TriggerSmart Talks

Today, we’re diving into one of the most bizarre theories floating around — that Charlie Kirk might have faked his death using Hollywood-style squibs and fake blood effects.



Transcript

Hello and welcome back to Trigger Smart.
So, I've covered a lot of crazy out
there topics, especially with the
Charlie Kirk stuff, different theories
and things that have happened um
theoretically, right? So, this is
another theory that I find very
interesting. So, I wanted to cover this
one. And this is the famous squib load
or faking his death.
For much of the 20th century, squibs
were the backbone of cinematic violence.
The small but mighty devices have been
crucial to some of the film industry's
most delightfully bloody movies.
Today, Squibs can be seen as a standin
in the heated debate over practical
versus digital effects.
Consider this your graphic content
warning. So, as you can see there, these
squibs provide the blood effects in
Hollywood, and they've been using them
for a long time. A lot of stuff now they
do through CGI, but back in the day and
even now still to this day, they put
these packs under the skin or in certain
areas under their clothes and they use
those to explode and then you have the
gore, right? So obviously these are fake
examples. This is not real blood and
it's important to realize that uh this
is something that's been done for a very
long time. So you can pretty much
imagine they've mastered it.
A squib refers to a small explosive
device
In movies, squibs are used to simulate
gunshots hitting either inanimate
surfaces or a person.
[Applause]
The squib used on a person in film is
often referred to as a blood squib or
bullet hit squib.
There are three primary components to a
blood squib. First, there's the squib
itself, which is a small disshaped
explosive.
The strength of the squib depends on
where on the body it's being placed and
what
so it's important to remember that the
squib is just a charge and that charge
itself could theoretically do damage and
in this case they're using that squib to
explode the fake blood.
The desired outcome is
then there's the packet of fake blood
and whatever else is needed to simulate
the gore.
And finally there is a protective layer
to minimize risk to the actor.
The squib is typically assembled by a
pyro technician or someone with a T2
pyrochnics license.
They will tape the packet of fake blood
to the squib, leaving an opening in the
front so that it can explode outward.
And then that device will be taped
against the protective layer to an
actor's body or costume. Okay, so listen
what they said there. They said that
they put it close to the actor's body.
And as you can see here, it does stick
up in this case anyway. In this specific
one, it does stick up some. But I just
want you to look at this because I'm
going to show you something later. This
is why the person thinks this may be
what's actually going on.
Costume designer will have multiples of
the outfit the squibs are in for
additional takes. They will also often
need to score the fabric so that the
explosive can more easily burst through
the clothing. Usually the detonation of
a squib will employ a two-step ignition.
Now just imagine how much trust you have
to have because there's actually an
explosive on your body
where both the actor and a crew member
will have to activate it. This avoids
accidental detonations.
For gunshots into walls or elements of
the set, squib process is largely the
same except protective plating isn't
needed. Of course, use of squibs on set
should prioritize safety and attention
to detail since they are live
explosives.
Okay, so now you know what a squib is.
You see that they can use it for various
different things. And they can use it in
movies to fake gunshots, heads
exploding, and that kind of thing. and
they've been using it for a long time
and Hollywood has kind of mastered it,
right? And they also use it in walls and
things like when you see the gunshots
and you see the little pieces of the
concrete behind them kind of flying out.
That's what they use them for. All
right, so now we're going to look at
some alternatives to a squib if it was
maybe something else.
[Music]
Some productions will use compressed
air, which is safer and cheaper.
They will work similarly to squibs.
Look how bulky that is. So, some people
were saying there's like a compressed
air underneath his shirt that maybe like
shot something up or whatever. But, I
mean, if he was wearing this, there
would be no doubt that something was
wrong. And I'll show you pictures that
show what he looks like in his shirt and
his skin and everything underneath. Not
a skin underneath, obviously, but you'll
see um there are some little bulges or
some kind of like questionable areas,
but maybe it was an audio pack. I don't
know. But check this out. is squibs
except instead of an explosion is a
burst of air which pushes out the blood.
But this option is also bulkier and not
as reliable.
By far the most popular alternative is
CGI.
A CG bullet wound is cheaper as well as
much safer. So now we're going to talk
about that too. Um, there is one gif
that will probably get this video
demonetized, but there's one gif that
shows that the spot that you see on the
video doesn't align in two different
frames. It's in a different spot. It
doesn't. In other words, it doesn't move
with his body. So, let's just keep
going. It's also easier to pull off on
set since no blood has to be cleaned up
and costumes don't need to be swapped
out. CG also allows for more freedom for
gunshot placement. Squibs on or near an
actor's face, for example, are extremely
difficult and can be dangerous.
So, just based on what they just said,
just think about a squib being right on
his neck. First of all, with how big
they were, at least the ones we're
seeing here, it'd be obvious that you
see it. And second of all, it's an
explosive right there on his neck.
That's extremely dangerous. So, for them
to like fake this all would basically
have to mean they could hide it first of
all and then an explosion is happening
on his neck. I mean, it just seems a
little far-fetched to me. All right, so
now let's look at the actual theory. So,
someone sent me this. They want to
remain anonymous. Hey, thanks for
everything you're doing. Amazing job.
God bless. You need to see these high
resolution photos. I have seen these
photos and I've actually shared these
photos. But here's what he's talking
about. This is like the details, his
breakdown. So, the neck has a weird
bulge.
All right. Interesting.
Now, to me, we'll look at more photos.
You only see it here. You don't see it
in other photos. So, this might just be
the angle of his neck, the way he's
moving his neck, but it does seem very
strange like that. That looks a little
suspect to me, but could just be how his
body is, you know?
Then we have the shoulder has a weird
shape. And if you look at this, I think
it's talking about here.
It does seem like there's something
there. It's not normal. Like if you look
at my shirt, like you're not seeing what
looks like a cable or something there
maybe. Right now again, you know,
theory. So this could be a cable or
something going to a squib. I don't
know. He might be wired up in some other
way, but his chain is clearly over here,
right? And I would think if they were
doing this for real, why would they have
him wear a white shirt?
Like a white shirt while trying to hide
all this squib stuff and his chain. I
mean, like you can see his chain clear
as day through the white shirt. So if he
had anything else, like if this is a
cable or something, which it does look
kind of strange. It looks like he has
like a wire or bump or something on his
shoulder. Um, at least right here. So
this person is saying the camera is
clear, looks normal. So, I mean, based
on my videography background, yeah,
looks pretty normal. You have a battery
here. It's on a Vmount clipped on. You
have another clip with a bracket. It's
going to the camera. And then this is
just feeding the camera battery power.
So, it seems like this is pretty normal,
but it looks like something's missing
here that you see in other photos like
cuz people were talking about line of
sight from that, but there's actually
something above it that was in line of
sight um at the proper angle based on
Jason Goodman's uh theory. So, it looks
like there's something missing. Maybe
it's higher up here or he hasn't added
it yet. But this looks, you know, pretty
normal. So, if you were some kind of spy
or something and you rigged this, most
likely you'd have it go through the
lens. So, everything else would kind of
look normal. So, in this case, it looks
like the camera passes. Then this person
goes on to say, "Shirt from the back.
What are these? They look like a squib
kit." Now, I don't know what defines
something as a squib kit. We looked at
some of the images before, but basically
it looks like a little charge that would
be under the shirt. So you see these
little strange angled markings here.
So typically like this looks like packs
on his back, right? Like those aren't
normal things you would see in someone's
shirt. Like see these natural wrinkles
and lines that are in here. And you can
see like the the natural creases and
stuff that it makes. These don't look
natural at all. Neither does that one.
Right. It wouldn't be a random bump
there. Look at that. So, yeah, that's a
little suspect, a little strange. Okay,
let's keep going. Shirt from the front
looks like a bag of some sort of object.
Is he talking about this?
Could be some air under there. You know,
Charlie Kirk's a pretty slender person,
so I don't think it's a gut, right?
So, there could be something there, but
it could also just be his shirt pushing
out and from him walking. I don't know.
It's hard to tell from this angle.
What do you think? Right. And then this
is where it gets really interesting.
This person is saying that
now this has been covered. Right. This
is just a black circle, but this exactly
covers the spot where he was shot. So,
this is saying in this theory that if
you watch it, it looks like, you know,
CGI, it doesn't it's not it's not moving
with his body, right? So, in other
words, he's reacting to the shot, but
this wound, this neck wound that
everyone's seeing, which if that's an
entry wound, that's the biggest entry
wound I've ever seen. But anyway, uh it
looks like that is not moving with his
flesh. And what they did is they have
two different frames that they pulled
from a video and this is what it looks
like. So it almost looks like a frame
was pulled out from between those if
something actually like a squib or
something went off, right? Kind of
strange, kind of interesting. Now,
whenever you get stuff like this just
manipulated, you know, you have to take
it with a grain of salt. But if this is
real, then that would be very strange
that that is that that wound is not
lining up with his body movement at all.
And remember, I said I'd show a couple
shots where his neck looked normal,
right? So, you don't see that big bulge
that was on the side of his neck. And I
don't know when that bulge showed. Was
it when he first got there? Was it in
the middle of the event? Was it right
before he got shot? I don't know. But
they didn't have time to add it. When he
was walking in and being filmed by
thousands of people. And then you can
see here again, if I zoom into this
shirt,
you know, it does look very strange
right here. If I zoom in more,
you know, that doesn't look normal. That
doesn't look natural. But if you've
ever, you know, had something where you,
you know, like if you take your fingers
and you stretch them into your shirt for
a little bit and then let go, your
finger marks kind of stay there. So,
could this be something like that? I
don't know. Okay. So, now that we've
seen what a squib is, let's look at what
doesn't support that theory. So, if
people say there's state actors that are
taking him out or that took him out,
that wouldn't fit. If Tyler Robinson or
someone was on the roof and also him
being in court, maybe it's the pathy,
that also doesn't fit. And then the way
that he seized up when he got shot, that
would take some amazing acting. And
would also have to not let Erica know
what he was doing to make this actually
work. Does she know if that's what he
did? Now, here's the things that might
support it. So maybe Israel took him
into witness protection if they knew
someone was after him. Now his shirt
blowing out, similar to the mic theory,
that would make a lot of sense if a
squib exploded. His team refusing
medical to help him because they would
possibly see that he was fine. I'm
talking about the EMTs.
Them taking him out quickly with his
head flopping around, not necessarily
stable yet. That makes sense if they
were just trying to rush and get him
away. and then the TPUSA staff acting
unnatural and nonchalant in some cases
like Mikey on his phone walking away.
That would make a lot more sense if they
knew that he was fine. So, let me know
your thoughts down below. Is this
something that seems feasible? We saw
some strange things on his shirt. We saw
the neck wound that looks like it's CGI
and added. We saw the bulge in his neck
earlier in a couple different areas. I
guess theoretically it could be
possible, but it's probably pretty
far-fetched. What do you guys think? I'm
sure it's probably happened before to
other people. What do you think the
chances are that this was a faked death
in this case? Let me know your thoughts
down in the comments. And don't forget
to like, subscribe, and share this to
feed the algorithm. And I'll see you on
the next one.

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They Laughed at the Pendant Theory — Then the Data Came Out (Charlie Kirk)
TriggerSmart
Oct 28, 2025 TriggerSmart Talks

They said it couldn’t happen… that the pendant couldn’t possibly pierce the neck. But once again, the evidence may tell a different story. In this new entry, Kalikukul returns with another precision breakdown — exploring how the pendant’s weight, chain torque, and wound geometry may prove that penetration was possible. Using physics-based modeling, real-world parallels, and math, we dive deep into:

**** Why the “impossible” theory might hold up under pressure
**** How energy transfer and chain tension could make impact lethal
**** Feedback on the Jason Goodman bullet image

This isn’t speculation — it’s analysis.
And once you see the data, you’ll understand why so many “experts” rushed to dismiss it.



Transcript

All right. So, you guys asked for it,
you put it in messages, you put it in
comments, and I did a poll, and you guys
said you wanted to see more from Cali
Cukul, and you also wanted to see his or
her rebuttal to how the pendant could
actually go into the neck based on the
forces and things required to make that
happen. So, let's get into it. I will
warn you up front, this gets pretty
scientific. So, again, here we have
Calakul neck wound severity. As we
discussed earlier, the bullet damaged
the cervical vein, not an artery, based
on the color of the blood. The way it
flowed out instead of squirting and
further supported by only a little bit
of blood left at the scene, specifically
most likely the internal jugular vein or
the JV. There are actually more jugular
veins than that. They're part of an
interconnected system working together
as a whole. So, Calikougal is saying
most likely it was this large internal
jugular vein. a quote, "All IGV injuries
should be repaired, but may be lated if
hemodymodynamically unstable, meaning it
should be attempted to repair a cut
internal jugular vein, but it's also
common to just liate or tie it up if the
repair is impossible, which tells us
about the high tolerance of the body in
regard to this venus network." So, he or
she is basically saying if one of these
veins in here gets hit, most likely they
will seal it off because there's plenty
of other networks to carry the blood
around. A quote from an article on neck
injuries in which there are two cases of
internal jugular vein damage. Both venus
injuries were liated at the follow-up 12
and 21 days. Both patients were doing
well with no complications. The main
risk is the immediate bleeding before
managing to stop it and the risk of the
vein sucking in air. While still
dangerous if it is far less dangerous
than a cut artery. So in other words, if
you were to have a artery get slashed in
your throat, it's much more dangerous
than if you got a vein slashed in your
throat. So, I will say based on those
videos, there does seem to be a lot of
blood that comes out initially that
initial spurt. Charlie's wound was
attended to within seconds by his
trained security staff, which is as
close to immediate hope as it gets.
Charlie's wound was definitely serious,
but it most likely wasn't him being dead
before he touched the ground as some
suggested, at least not because of the
bleeding. So, it could still be because
of, you know, if his vertebrae got hit
directly by the bullet or something
similar. Calakul saying that the
bleeding alone doesn't seem to be the
main cause of death. There was of course
the decorticate posturing which
indicates severe brain damage. It occurs
for a specific combination of some parts
of the brain and motor pathways damaged
and still others functional as I
proposed. That might have happened by
the bullet hitting the occipital bone
the back of the head causing the trauma
underneath it and then traveling along
the spine. that was severe but might not
have been immediately fatal either as
statistically there's a 37% survival
rate connecting to this posturing a
quote following a head injury only 37%
of patients displaying decorticate
posture and 10% of those displaying
disberate posture will survive saying
the overall point is that his condition
was severe but I think there potentially
could have been some chance of him
surviving many seem to say there wasn't
so here's basically saying that based on
their investigation So far it seems like
the injuries that he got even with the
decorticate posture and that kind of
stuff could have theoretically been
survivable about 35% survival rate or
something like that based on literature.
So some people are saying that Charlie's
still alive that this was all staged and
everything else but there is a very very
small chance and again this is just
theories that he could still possibly be
alive
but not well. All right. Now here
Calakuch talks about the potential
bullet that's cut on video. Now, this is
something that if you look on my
channel, there's an interview with Jason
Goodman, and he talks about the
compression and the different things
that can happen that makes it so that
the the way the bullets appear are out
of order based on certain compression
settings and the way that um video
compression and codecs handle
everything. And this is Cali Cuckle kind
of speaking to that a little bit. The
potential bullet on video, Kelly is
talking about these previous images that
Jason Goodman had put together. Mr.
Goodman presented his theory that the
bullet was caught on video. He merged
parts of the images from a 20 fps and a
30 fps versions of the same footage to
get three dots in an almost perfect line
right around the moment Charlie's been
shot. Although it happens to coincide
with one of the very possible
trajectories, I have to say I think it
might not be the bullet that hit
Charlie. One frame before the middle dot
appears. I only have the 20 fps version
with two of the dots. The middle dot
appears. Still no effect on Charlie. You
can see that here.
the dot moves to the upper right. You
see it up here. And this again was in
the last video that I showed. Another
viewer had sent in some video and it had
basically seen the same thing, right?
So, Charlie shirts going up. It appears
that maybe he's been hit here or that's
his mic. I I can't really tell from this
angle. Um, but there's something going
on here, but there's also what appears
to be a projectile or bullet up here.
Kelly and some other people theorize
that the bullet that Jason Goodman is
seeing is not the one that hit him. It's
just one that's flying by, which would
go back to the multiple shooters from
different positions theory. Calakulo
says the dot is quite slow for a bullet.
Let's say the distance from Charlie to
the edge of the tent is 12 ft. That the
right dot is near the edge of the tent
and the left dot is right at his head.
That means distance between every two of
the dots could be 6 ft. And I believe
that Jason Gibbons said about 5t if I
remember correctly. The 20 fps video
means it snapshot every 50 milliseconds.
That means the dot moves 120 ft per
second. Your typical rifle bullet speeds
are 2300 to 3500. Low velocity PCP air
guns seem to start around 300. The
bullet appears to move away from
Charlie, which is what a lot of people
are saying, and that's what Jason
Goodman was kind of um trying to correct
with his merged image and the
compression and codec issues is that it
was going towards Charlie, not away from
him. Mr. Goodman says that this can be
caused by technical reasons of video
mixing up the order of some portions of
the image when encoding suggesting the
dots actually went towards Charlie.
Although I must admit I haven't observed
such phenomenon in compressed videos
with some of their small flying objects
like for instance a bug jumping around
instead of flying in a straight line.
Let's assume it is possible but I would
say uncommon. It would also be good to
see at which point the video of the left
dot appeared rather than a merged still
image. The dots aren't in a straight
line. Mr. Goodman says it was difficult
to align the two versions of the video.
I'm not certain in which ways it would
be difficult to align two versions of
the very same video, even if one video
is cropped in differently. It seems like
a matter of stopping both videos at the
same anchoring moment and then shifting
one video on top of the other until the
scene overlaps perfectly. In no way do I
aim to somehow debunk Mr. Goodman's
theory. I'm glad he's doing his
investigation. However, it seems
uncertain whether the dots are the
bullet. One of the things we could use
is a clear 3D model of the scene and all
possible trajectories of the three dots
could form within it as it is a bit
ambiguous where the dots are actually
within the environment. So like you can
see here the necklace is is already off
and you can see this
object here.
So if the bullet came from the back or
the projectile came from the back, he
wouldn't already be reacting and his
chain wouldn't be flying off. So again,
does this mean that there were possibly
two shooters or more than two shooters
and one missed and you see that bullet
flying past and another one hit him at
the same time? I think it'd be pretty
rare. It'd have to be very synchronized
to be able to hit Charlie Kirk and in
the same frame catch a bullet flying
past. At the speed the bullets move,
that'd be pretty rare. So, this seems to
be a very extremely coordinated
operation if it was more than one person
or maybe a synchronized set of uh
mechanical guns, maybe like in a camera
or even just regular guns that are have
synchronized triggers. I don't know. I
don't I don't know much about that
technology, but as you can see here,
it's very strange that he's already been
hit here. Chain's already flying off,
and there's this little projectile right
here. There was no exit wound behind him
anyway. And if this was coming in from
the back, then that means there's more
than one shot coming from the back.
Again, this is very strange, and these
images seem to cause more questions than
answers. Calakulo says, "Still the
coincidence with the time of the
shooting is striking. I can imagine the
dots being relevant even if it's not the
bullet. perhaps some fragment of
something. The direction of the dot
seemed to match the direction of the
necklace whipped back right after the
dot flew that way. Interestingly enough
though, the middle dot, the first one in
my 20 fps video appears before any
effect was apparent on Charlie. Not even
the bulging shirt in the back. And then
I asked Caliukul, I said Valhalla VFT
and some other people have kind of
reviewed this pendant theory that I've
put out there from Calikuch. You know,
they were kind of saying like a lot of
it possibly made sense. some of the the
dynamics and the ballistics made sense,
but the one part they couldn't get
behind is the fact that the pendant
would actually go up into the neck. So,
basically saying that it wasn't
theoretically possible based on what
they'd seen. Now, these are people that
have seen wartime. These are people that
are very experienced in ballistics and
the dynamics of guns and those type of
things. So, um I can't argue with them
personally because I haven't been in
those situations. But Kakuch basically
is given his or her rendition of how
this could theoretically be possible.
They go on to say the calculation will
definitely involve estimating cavitation
size and duration. I've also seen some
YouTubers misunderstanding and thinking
that the expanding chest was supposed to
whip up the pendant, which is not the
case at all. I don't even think the
chest expanded from any cavitation, just
the neck. Interesting. All right. Now, I
think some of this is going to get into
some nerdy math regarding the pendant's
ability to gain sufficient speed and
penetrate the neck. Mathematically
describing a pendant accelerated by the
expanding circle turns out to be quite
difficult. I tried my best. The main
point is there are two accelerating
factors. One is the expanding circle. It
has increasingly greater effect as a
necklace gets more in contact with the
circle. And then there's the whipping
effect. Due to the law of conservation
of momentum just by the portion of the
free necklace out of contact with the
circle decreasing the speed of the
remaining out of contact portion
increases.
The two effects combine. The whipping
effect multiplies the speed received by
the pendant through the necklace from
the expanding circle. So if you combine
the whipping effect of the chain going
around the body from the initial impact
as well as the expansion from the
cavitation, both of those forces
increase the amount of power that could
project that pendant into the neck. And
that's kind of similar to if you see if
you have a car and it hits something at
60 mph, you have a certain amount of
damage. But if you have two cars coming
towards each other 60 mph, that's 120
mph collision. And then they quote this
resource, the minimum velocity required
to penetrate the skin is about 40 to 50
m/s. All right, so let's check out this
link. So it goes to bhu.ac.in,
which is banaris Hindu University. And
if we look at that link
terminal ballistics
as we go through here talking about
concepts of wound ballistics target site
it's saying the minimum velocity
required to penetrate the skin is about
40 to 50 m/s. This is known as threshold
velocity. Its value for bone penetration
is about 60 m/s.
Wounding effect of a projectile will
depend upon several things. The target
site whether it's the front or the back
of the body. uh the neck. So, one thing
to think about here and consider is that
as the neck is expanding from
cavitation, the walls of the neck are
getting much thinner. So, I would think
this 40 to 50 m/s probably goes down
quite a bit with that kind of pressure,
especially with it going towards it.
Also, the velocity of the projectile,
the constructional features, and then
the range of firing. So, how close or
far that person was. This also depends
on the shape of the object. The cross
was pretty pointy and hung by his top
arm. So, it is bound to travel with the
top point first. So, as you can see
here, we have the chain and then this
would be the cross or the pendant.
They're basically saying here that it's
most likely that this top portion is
what went into the neck in this theory.
And then they show the necklace again.
Yeah, this this top edge here. Now, a
lot of people are pointing out this. It
looks like this is damaged on this side.
It looks like a piece of that cross
maybe broke off and was put back on or
maybe if there's I can't tell if there's
like little diamonds or something here,
but it looks like they're missing from
this other side. So, could it have
possibly been that piece that
penetrated? I don't know. To better see
the acceleration sources, notice how the
necklace wraps increasingly tighter
around the circle with the length of the
free part decreasing.
So, this would be Charlie's neck and
this would be the pendant and necklace
hanging down.
So, as cavitation happens of the neck,
the forces on the outside of the chain
would increase, pulling this closer and
faster into the tissue. Here's the
calculation for concrete numbers for a
smaller and faster cavitation and neck
and necklace links close to Charlie's.
They're saying if anyone sees errors or
is able to improve the formulas better,
then let them know. There are vastly
better mathematicians out there than I
am, that's for sure. And then they kind
of walk us through it. The neck expands.
Dependent P moves up. So here's the
neck. Neck is expanding. The pendant P
starts moving towards the body. The
parts of the necklace close to the neck
wrap around the neck. So these parts
here, that' be L2s, are going to get
closer and closer to the neck as the
neck expands out. So I won't get super
deep into the math here, but you can see
it. You can screenshot it and test it
out if you need to, but basically
they're estimating that it was about two
2 1/2 milliseconds duration for the
expansion phase. That's for the
cavitation of the neck. They estimate 57
cm necklace length and then 40 cm neck
circumference. So that would leave 12.7
cm neck diameter. So distance traveled
along about 8 cm velocity 32 m/s
strengthened by the whipping effect
given by the ratio of the L2 before and
after cavitation. In other words, how
much is it shortened within that period
about 59 m/s. Now he was saying earlier
he or she was saying earlier that it
would take 40 to 50 m/s to pierce human
flesh or to pierce the neck based on the
estimation of the distance traveled and
the cavitation it happening within 2 and
12 milliseconds and then the whipping
effect that adds to that from the chain
would make it 59 m/s would make it 59
m/s in their estimation. Then there was
a comment from you guys. Why doesn't it
happen all the time to people who were
shot in the neck while wearing a
necklace with a pendant? And Kakuko
says, I think it might be because rarely
the bullet travels vertically, making
the neck cavitation in the horizontal
plane to the side so efficient and
prominent. So in other words, in a lot
of cases, the bullet's going straight in
and cavitation goes perpendicular. So if
the bullet goes in here, the expansion
is going to be up and down, right? So
it's going to go up into the brain and
down into the body. In this case, in
this theory from Calakul and also Jason
Goodman, if there was a shot from the
back is that the bullet hit the
occipital lobe and went down the spine
and that vertical downward motion would
cause horizontal expansion of the neck.
So basically what they're saying is it's
rare for a bullet to go down the body as
opposed to into the body. All right,
then we have some more. Kylukul says the
whipping effect because people are going
to say, "Well, why would the chain be
whipping around?" A whip is thick at the
handle and gets thinner throughout its
length. You swing the grip, slow
movement of a heavy mass, and as that
energy gets passed over to lighter and
lighter parts of the whip, it has to
move faster and faster for the momentum
to stay the same. Momentum equals weight
times velocity. So, thanks to that, the
speed at the end of a whip can reach up
to twice the speed of sound. And then
Cali Cougall comes back. I apologize. I
found some numerical errors in my
original calculation. And then Cali
Cougle comes back. Same information
expanding circle whipping effect, but
they're saying using the calculations
below for I believe realistic parameters
neck size cavitation and duration
necklace length. I've come to the
possible final velocity of the pendant
of 45 m/s which equals 148 ft per
second. Remember it takes 40 to 50 m/s
to break the skin. So, I would say it's
in the ballpark of being possible, and
it might not be correct to discard it as
absolutely impossible. The above range
is certainly approximate, and I wouldn't
say anything just under 40 m/s cannot
pierce the skin anymore. The
calculations and chosen parameters might
of course be a little bit different than
reality, affecting the results in both
directions, lowering or increasing the
velocity. For instance, if the necklace
was slightly longer, it would decrease
the velocity. If it was slightly
shorter, it would increase it.
Shortening the necklace would increase
the speed quite rapidly. So, here's the
new math. Go ahead and screenshot this
and test it out.
Same here. Screenshot that. Test it out.
And the final test that out. So, they
landed on distance traveled of about
6.85 cm and a velocity of about 27.4
m/s. That is from the cavitation.
And then that's strengthened by the
whipping effect given by the ratio after
cavitation. How much the chain shortened
during that period. And that came to
about 45 meters per second, which is
within the 40 to 50 that is said that is
needed to pierce flesh. All right, so
there you go. For everyone that wanted
to see Kakugo's response to if it could
actually pierce the skin or not, um,
another possibility is maybe it didn't
actually fully penetrate. It just had to
nick it, right? All it has to do is is
cut open the surface of that vein and
it's going to burst open with all the
pressure. So, let me know your thoughts.
Is this still plausible? I know some of
you were saying that everything else
about the theory kind of combined with
the Jason Goodman shot from the back
made sense to you. Does this make even
more sense based on some of this math
and other things that 40 to 50 meters
per second is what it takes to kind of
break open the skin or to pierce the
skin? And Calukul estimates it around 45
or so meters/s. And as always, don't
forget to like, subscribe, and share
this around. And make sure you're
getting some fresh air. Don't just sit
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This Charlie Kirk Video Is Going Viral Right Now -- Here’s Why!
The Jimmy Dore Show
Nov 4, 2025 The Jimmy Dore Show PODCAST

A viral video has been making the rounds featuring Charlie Kirk questioning Israel’s delayed response to the October 7th Hamas attacks, suggesting it raises serious questions about government accountability and U.S. funding to Israel.

Jimmy explores claims that the TPUSA founder faced backlash for his comments, including accusations of antisemitism, while emphasizing the importance of continuing to question official narratives.

The segment critiques both government and media institutions for suppressing inquiry and punishing dissent, using examples from the COVID era to underscore a pattern of censorship and manipulation. Jimmy closes by urging viewers to “keep asking questions” as a core principle of freedom and skepticism toward authority.



Transcript

You better keep asking questions because
it's the only thing that keeps us free.
Thank you so much.
You better keep asking questions because
it's the only thing that keeps us free.
Now, if you if you talk to Mikey McCoy's
pastor father, he'll tell you to shut
up.
Stop asking questions. What are you
doing asking questions? Just accept what
Cash Mattel tells you.
So Ian Carroll, so he asked this, "Why
is this clip going viral?" But it's a
clip of Charlie Kirk and I guess it's
getting a lot of play all of a sudden
today
because Ian Carol is an anti-Semitic. Is
that why Jimmy?
Probably. Let's listen to what this clip
is.
I'm going to continue to ask the
question. A 20our response in a country
the size of New Jersey. That that begs a
big explanation. And more importantly,
America is significantly underwriting
the Israeli government $4 billion a
year. We as American taxpayers.
So what he's saying is a 20hour
response time on October 7th. That's
what he's talking about on a on a
country the size of New Jersey. What's
that Kurt?
Just under a full day.
Yeah. Just under a full day.
So that's his question.
I'm going to continue to ask the
question. A 20our response in a country
the size of New Jersey. that that begs a
big explanation. And
and so why does that beg a big
explanation? Because that that
implicates Benjamin Netanyahu and the
Israeli government being in on as what
we all said. They funded Hamas. They
gave a standown order. They they knew
this attack was coming for over a year.
As the New York Times revealed, they had
the plans.
So what they did was they kind of staged
this so they could use this as almost
like a false flag so they could then go
wipe out Gaza and take over Gaza and the
West Bank. So what he's saying is it
took them 20 hours to respond which
means they were in on this that this was
a plan.
This wasn't an accident that they didn't
know Hamas was going to attack them.
They knew it. They funded it. They gave
a standown order and didn't respond for
20 hours.
Did Jimmy, did America have some deal
with Israel of like a throw mama from
the train situation like you do 911 for
us and we'll help you at your killing
your own people?
Maybe. Here we go.
More importantly, America is
significantly underwriting the Israeli
government. $4 billion a year. We as
American taxpayers deserve answers to
this. We deserve answers. Also, if we're
going to get into a regional or world
war based on an intel failure. So, um I
mean, we pay for this, what are we
buying, right? I got smeared as a Jew
hater, an anti-semite, and conspiracy
theorist cuz I said exactly what I just
said. And I refused to back down despite
all the smears thrown at me because I
learned during COVID. I learned when
they told us that it came from a bat in
the Himalayas. I learned when they told
us the vaccine was safe and effective. I
learned when they told us that
Ivormectum was horsepaced that you
better keep asking questions because
it's the only thing that keeps us free.
Thank you so much.
You better keep asking questions cuz
it's the only thing that keeps us free.
Now, if you if you talk to Mikey McCoy's
pastor father, he'll tell you to shut
up.
Stop asking questions. What are you
doing asking questions? Just accept what
Cash Patel tells you.
Just accept what the government says.
What's wrong with you? You're a bad
person. The Lord wants you to shut up.
The Lord wants you to shut up.
Yes, Lord.
He He pissed off so many people in that
one statement right there that they got
to be taking bakery numbers to get to
get up on the roof, if you know what I'm
saying.
Why would the deep state consider him a
threat just because he threatened every
single itemized thing that they are
intending to do
right
here? Here he is here. Jewish donors
play into all the stereotypes. I cannot
and will not be bullied like this,
leaving me no choice but to leave the
pro-Israel cause. He was dead days after
he said that.
Let that be a warning to the rest of
you.
And we all have friends that will that
will lose one more narrative before they
just sit in a straight jacket and rock.
You know that, right?
This unfortunately
is that shattered narrative. Look at it
this way. Remember when you were young
and you always dreamt of being a rocker?
Well, here you are. Put on a straight
jacket, start rocking. Remember when he
said this? Remember when Charlie Kirk
said this?
Lightly. Okay.
I got to be careful the way I say this
to they're going to try to ethnically
cleanse Gaza. Yep.
I mean that that's and I don't use that
term lightly. Okay. Before Charlie Kirk
was killed, he said Charlie Kirk fears
that Israel will kill him if he
continues ahead providing space for
Israel critics.
Charlie kind of starting to question the
amount of influence that Israel has in
US not only domestic politics but
foreign politics as well. I just don't
think we should go to war with Iran. Is
a nuclear weapon Iran a threat to
America? Probably could be. It's a
threat to Israel, but is it a threat to
America? I mean, India has nuclear
weapons. Pakistan has nuclear weapons.
But he was one of the only people to go
to the Oval Office and say, "Sir, I
totally understand, but a war with Iran
could really hurt our country." He took
massive, massive abuse from his own
donors. And they expressed it to him in
a very intense way. I know because he
showed me. He's talking about October
7th possibly being an inside job. I
still have the same gut instinct that I
did initially. I find this very hard to
believe. I've been to that Gaza border.
He starts to question whether Jeffrey
Epstein was an Israeli Mossad agent.
Epstein with his little friend Galain
and Galain's father, Robert Maxwell, who
was obviously a spy of the Israeli
intelligence agencies. The evidence that
shows that Epstein was a creation of
either MSAD, Israeli intelligence,
and it all blew out into the open at
TPUSA's July Youth Summit in
Tallahassee. Tucker gave the speech,
right?
Tucker
[Applause]
is Jeffrey Epste was working on behalf
of intel services. It's extremely
obvious to anyone who watches that this
guy had direct connections to a foreign
government. Now, no one's allowed to say
that that foreign government is Israel
because we have been somehow cowed.
But it wasn't just Tucker. Megan Kelly
had started questioning Israel and
Msad given his connection to Gain
Maxwell. comic Dave Smith, who like
myself is a Jewish anti-ionist.
There's no reason why we even have to be
enemies with Iran. This is Israel's
problem. We don't need to be involved in
this. Sorry, we got our own issues here.
The crowd was cheering in this cathartic
way. Then Tucker comes out, says, "You
should have your citizenship yanked if
you fight for a foreign army."
How can somebody pledge allegiance to
two countries at the same time?
Obviously, that's absurd. And I know
you're speaking about Israel. think
anybody by the way who serves in a
foreign military should lose his
citizenship immediately. There are a lot
of Americans who've served in the IDF
they should lose their citizenship.
After that he started getting publicly
attacked. Ben Shapiro and Mark Levvin,
the two biggest Zionist enforcers in the
media. Laura Loomer, we all know who she
is. She publicly attacked Charlie Kirk
and said he basically had to step down.
Honestly, the way you are treating me is
so repulsive. I have text messages Megan
calling me an anti-semite. There's
another article out in the Times of
Israel today. I could read it on air. I
was just reading before I got on.
Charlie, what are you doing? Like, why
are you What am I doing? I'm sorry.
Like, let's just take a step back here.
Like, I'm an American citizen.
Wow. Megan forgot all about that
conversation, didn't she?
Apparently, she did. Apparently, Megan
Kelly forgot all about that. She got her
mind right. So, here's here's one more
video of Charlie Kirk
talking about Israel. When a lawmaker
like Ted Cruz uses the Bible to justify
aid to Israel, doesn't even know the
verse, do you guys think that's like not
the best way to approach this? Raise
your hand. Okay.
I think Ted Cruz is Genesis 12:3. I
think a lot of people see that as
offputting when you look at the New
Testament.
Why?
Because I think a lot of people they
they look especially at the writings of
Paul where he talks about how that the
new flesh is not the same as the people
in the Old Covenant. The new flesh is
everybody is everyone's included.
Talking about Romans 9. Yes.
Yeah.
Are you Catholic?
Converted Catholic from Judais.
This is my next
Oh, from Judaism.
Yes.
Oh, wow. So, so you're Jew, you're
ethnically Jewish.
Ethnically Jewish. Yes.
And you have concerns about Apac?
Yes, I do.
I'm told that by some people
that if I criticize Apac, I'm
anti-Semitic.
I think it's ridiculous. Yeah. I I feel
like it's great to have a concern for
your country. Do you think that the that
Apac represents that it represents a
kind of cutting in line of
prioritization away from the American
people?
Would you guys say that's a fair
summary?
Meaning that like, okay, we vote, we're
citizens, but a separate group gets
higher priority because of whatever
reasons. You you you look like you want
to
chime in. that the entirety of the idea
of a pack is to represent a group. But
the fact that we're having we're
allowing a group that doesn't even
represent American interests to
influence the people who are supposed to
be representing us, I have a huge
problem with. And that's why I've said
this before and a lot of people don't
like when I say it. I actually think
there's probably like 20 representatives
between Senate and House who I think are
actually fully doing the work of the
American people and don't have the
interests of some group pulling their
sway. But when you hear that lots of
other countries also are lobbying. Um do
you think I mean that you probably don't
know the names of those countries but
it's happening. Does that upset you
equally or is Apac just get all the the
press because it's so top of mind if
those other ones are doing the same
thing? Of course. I do not think that
other countries should be telling us how
to spend, you know, the the that telling
our representatives and people who are
here to represent all of us that they
should be focusing outside of the United
States,
America first. Thank you.
So, I think uh I think we know why uh
Ian why this clip is going viral.
I think we know
and
going to continue to ask the question a
20our response in a country the size of
New Jersey that that begs a big
explanation and more importantly America
is significantly underwriting the
Israeli government $4 billion a year. We
as American taxpayers deserve answers to
this. We deserve answers also if we're
going to get into a regional or world
war based on an intel failure. So, um, I
mean, we pay for this. What are we
buying? Right? I got smeared as a Jew
hater, an anti-semite, and conspiracy
theorist cuz I said exactly what I just
said. And I refused to back down despite
all the smears thrown at me because I
learned during COVID. I learned when
they told us that it came from a bat in
the Himalayas. I learned when they told
us the vaccine was safe and effective. I
learned when they told us that
Ivormechum was horse-paced that you
better keep asking questions because
it's the only thing that keeps us free.
So, don't stop asking questions about
who actually killed Charlie Kirk because
the story we're being told is an obvious
lie.
And you really have to bend yourself
into a pretzel to believe all the stupid
lies that they've made up about this. I
mean, not only from the gun that was
used, the bullet that didn't go through
his neck, uh, from the way everybody
acted shady, all the his his security
people acted shady, uh, to the fact that
they took him to a hospital that wasn't
the closest to the fact that, uh, all
those Google searches to the fact that
uh, they say he assembled the gun,
reassem disassembled it, reassembled it,
assembled it, jumped off a building, put
it in his pants, put it all that stuff.
There's so Oh, he then he texted
perfectly. He texted perfectly uh to his
girlfriend uh what he just did. He he he
admitted everything he did and the FBI
finally got that. So, it's you have to
really bend yourself in a pretzel to
believe the FBI's narrative. It's not
true. If if there's one thing I'm sure
of, it's that what the FBI said happened
to Charlie Kirk is a lie. If there's one
thing I'm sure of, that's it. And I bend
myself into a star of David.
There's I mean how do you George Zin as
immediately after the shot rings out he
drops his pants and said I did it.
So that's called being an accessory to a
murder because he was there to distract
everybody from what actually happened.
Anyway, that's a great uh it's a great
clip. Everybody uh should enjoy that
clip. And if you'd like to hear my jokes
about Cash Patel's handling of the
Charlie Kirk assassination, come see me
the day after Thanksgiving, that's a
Friday, November 28th in Burbank,
California at Flappers Comedy Club,
December 6th in Pottstown, Pennsylvania,
and January 11th in Wik Ki, Hawaii at
the Blue Note. It's a beautiful theater.
Come see me there. Go to jimmy.com for a
link for tickets. Come see us in
Australia. Second shows added in
Melbourne, Sydney, and Brisbane. We'll
see you in Burbank, California the day
after Thanksgiving. It's a Friday. And
then Pottstown, Pennsylvania, December
6th. Plus, January 11th, we're going to
be in YK at the Blue No. Tickets not
available yet for them, but go to jimmy
door.com for a link for all the other
tickets.
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