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Today, I am Pro-Erika; A Day on Team Erika - Ep 151
Baron Coleman
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Today, we take Erika's side and push hard for her to get her wishes with respect to the publication of evidence admitted in the preliminary hearing.



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Chapter 1: Intro Um, uh, Andrew, Blake, um, Erica, you guys picked a terrible week to go on vacation. Uh, I don't have braids. I feel like if I had braids at this point, I would be in a much better position to do a program because apparently braids are where it's at. Battle bun be darned.

Uh, battle braids, ladies and gentlemen, is where it is. Welcome in. Welcome in. Welcome in.

Uh, apparently this week's going to get rowdy. Apparently this week's going to get unbelievably uh rowdy. Hold on. Let me check here.

Okay. Make sure I didn't accidentally call 911 or anything. Um, get it off of them. Get off of Okay, guys.

Um, we got a lot to cover now. It's going to be a cap and gown day. It's going to be a cap and gown day. When you when you Some days you show up, you know, we have a good time and we have some fun.

Today, dawn your cap. D your gown. Uh uh we're going to school. We're going to school.

It's going to be a lot of education in happening here tonight. And I have to tell you, when they're right, they're right. And sometimes Erica Kirk is right. And I'm going to take her side today on a uh a particular issue.

I'm going to be on team Erica today. So don't say, you know, you got you everything you do is against this woman. No. No.

Not tonight. Not July 27th, 2026. No, we're we're team America. No, I'm sorry.

Team Erica. Yeah, team America. We are team Erica tonight. Uh before we get started, I have to clarify something.

Last night, I got a ton of messages. Holy mackerel. I got a ton of messages uh on last night's show and I had a lot of people giving me tips on which car they think that Tyler Robinson jumped in. And I responded to a few of them.

I was like, did I say he jumped in a car? They're like, yeah. Yeah. go back and watch it.

So, I went back and watched it and then all the things started making sense. Um, I was giving options. I was just giving every 2 minutesoption I could think of. Like, I went to the kitchen cabinet and I started pulling options out of the cabinet.

Uh, uh, I I'm not saying for sure he jumped in a car. I'm not saying for sure he ran to the library. I'm not saying for sure he he uh uh ordered up a cheeseburger on the roof. I'm not saying for sure that while he was standing at the top of the parking garage, he made a call or or communicated with somebody.

Uh, you know, I was just thinking of any option I could possibly think of that something might have happened in the clips that they took out. That's it. That's it. So, I don't know if he jumped in a car.

I don't necessarily think he did, but if he did, then let's figure out which car it is. All I was trying to do is say, why are they cutting all the video footage in half? Why are they shutting everything down? They had five days to present a preliminary case.

If you're going to give me a two-minute long video of him standing at the top of the stairs case, don't cut a minute of it out. Give me the whole two minutes. Let me see what the two minutes happens. That's it.

That's all. That's all, ladies and gentlemen. Just want to clarify that because I don't want people to say uh now keep in mind the trial's years probably two years from now. Year year and a half, two years from now.

Um but there will be people who make a note. Baron Coleman said on July 26th that he jumped in a car. He did not jump in a car. Baron is wrong.

He's a liar. He's an idiot. He a con man. Hey, no.

Uh I didn't say that. All I was saying was he might have. We have no idea. So that's all I'm going to say about last night.

Uh, but I am going to go into a little bit of more of the autopsy tonight. I'm very keen on the disposition of Charlie Kirk's body because um, as we as we proceed through this case, there seems to be one glaring problem. Everything well, there's a lot of glaring problems, but one major problem is a murder requires a body. If I if you're going to tell me someone died, I have to be able to look and see a dead person.

And so far, we've not heard from anybody who saw a dead body. We heard from people who heard from people who saw a doctor's report that might have indicated there was a dead body, but we've not seen an actual dead body. We've not seen the report of a dead body. We've not seen pictures of dead body.

And I don't want to look at the pictures. I'm not gruesome. I have no interest in looking at the picture. 4 minutesHonestly, that's that's a true fact.

I have no interest in looking at the pictures. Um I mean, if they came out, I would have to look just to to to do the job here, but uh I I'd have no interest in it. Absolutely no interest. But I would like to look at the report.

I'd like to look at things like what time did it start? Where would it take place? Who's in the room? uh what time did it end?

Where did the body go after that? Um and we'll talk tonight about why those records should be available. What happened to the biologic samples? Are they available still?

The defense seemed to indicate they might not have them. Should they? Is it a legal requirement in Utah that they do have them? Uh so we'll talk about all that and more because this case is very weird from front to back.

There's no doubt about it. It's very weird from front to back. Um and one of the giant weirdnesses What did I do in my opening? Did I close it by mistake?

I'll find it. Um, oh, there it is. I hid it from myself, ladies and gentlemen. I've been known to do that.

It's happened before. Uh, one of the weird things about this case is we had an autopsy that now we're trying to sort of get a handle on that might have been done in almost minutes. Almost minutes. And I'll be honest, here's what it looks like to me.

It looks like if there was not an autopsy done, they just kind of cooked up some sort of a report. uh if there was an autopsy done then it might have been done haphazardly. It might not have followed all the rules and it might not have been as thorough as it otherwise should have been in a major murder case. So I want to go through that but I do want to do an opening because this is not the first time that we've had a question in a case about where is the body.

This has been a thing. It's happened before. And I want to take you all the way Oh. Oh, people get mad when I don't do this.

This is your opening statement. I want to take Chapter 2: Opening Statement you all the way back to the summer of 1975. There was a young mother in Edinburgh, Scotland, and she experienced a loss that would define nearly five decades of her life. Her name was Lydia Anne Reed.

She was only 26 years old. She gave birth by C-section on June 26th of 1975 to a premature son. She named him Gary Robert Patton. And within days, young Gary was very fragile.

He was a premature baby. And he was transferred to Royal Hospital for Sick Children. And they had to have to do surgery to remove a catheter. After the operation on July 2nd, he reportedly suffered a brain damage incident.

He was placed on life support. Uh, Miss Reed agreed to withdraw the intensive care. And then later that night, the police arrived to inform her that young Gary had died. He was just 7 days old.

7 days old. Little tiny tiny Gary. Almost immediately, she had doubts. When the funeral staff from Scott Mid Cooperative showed her the body, Miss Reed looked at it and said, "That's not my son's body.

7 minutesMy son was tiny and dark-haired. This child is large and blonde. And of course, the staff does what sometimes medical staff does to people and they poo poo them, treat them like idiots, and dismiss her as having depression, postnatal depression. So, she goes to the funeral, and at the funeral, a little bitty coffin for a little bitty premature baby said the coffin felt unnaturally light in her arms.

Of course, how much does a little baby weigh? So, they kind of dismissed that. But she noticed a few other things that were weird. Rather than putting the casket in the back of the car, they just kind of put it into the front seat of the car and they put a coat over it.

And then the guy driving was flashing his uh ashing a cigarette. And the cigarette ashes were blowing down on the coat that was over the coffin. On the name plate of the casket, it spelled the word Gary with two Rs instead of one. They misspelled the kid's name on his own coffin.

And they uh they buried the coffin at a place called Sauten Cemetery. And this is where it gets heartbreaking because for more than 40 years, Miss Reed visited that grave every week. Every week, she laid down flowers even though she was never fully convinced internally that her baby was in the grave. And her suspicions began to intensify.

In the late 1990s, there was an elder pay organ retention scandal that erupted in England and investigations revealed that in a lot of British hospitals, including those in Scotland, in her area, they had routinely retained organs and tissues from young children who had passed away and they were using it for research and teaching and they were doing it without the parental consent. There was a report that was issued, it's called the McLaren report. It later estimated that Scottish hospitals held around 6,000 such specimens that had been collected between 1970 and 2000. Well, Miss Reed became a leading figure in the campaign group called Justice for the Innocence.

Among other things, she demanded her son's medical records and she learned that the organs had indeed been removed before he was buried. And this was unusual because they had assured her earlier that this was not the case. That they had not taken anything out of her son. Her entire son, organs and all, was in the casket.

A lot of families eventually recovered retained material, but the hospital maintained that it had nothing that belonged to Gary. So, Miss Reed continued to press for answers. At one point, she even chained herself to a rail in protest. She went on a hunger strike.

She fought for reforms that tighten the regulation on the handling of pediatric remains. And in 2017, 42 years after Gary passed away and after several years of legal efforts, Miss Reed secured a court order that allowed them to exume the remains. She hired a distinguished forensic anthropologist from the University of Dundee to supervise the work. They exume the remains and they recover a number of artifacts from the grave.

This includes a dis disintegrated coffin. There was a wooden shaw. There was a small hat that was placed on allegedly placed on Gary before he was put in the grave. A small cross and a name tag.

and she remembered all of those objects being present when she last saw who she presumed was her child. So those objects confirmed it was the right grave. However, the coffin itself had no body. There were no skeletal remains.

The expert confirmed there were no traces of decomposition and no hair inside the hat. And according to the expert, there should have at least been hair if nothing else. So the conclusion was pretty unambiguous. And here is the exact quote from the expert.

" End quote. Obviously, that devastated Miss Reed. Uh even if it validated her instinct, it's it was still devastating news. Uh she was quoted saying, "I wanted to be wrong.

" Instead, she was forced to confront the cold reality that an empty coffin had been buried while her son's body was somewhere else. The discovery triggered further official scrutiny. The police got involved. The Crown Office got involved.

There was a procurator fiscal service investigation, whatever that is. And she launched a legal action seeking the return of any samples that remained. And in a post-mortem situation, a lot of times they'll take samples and they'll keep them. somewhere.

We'll talk about that tonight. Uh and also she wanted compensation from the funeral directors 12 minuteswho very obviously knew that there was no body in the casket. In 2022, she was frustrated by delays. She was at that point 73 years old.

Keep in mind, she had been 26 when Gary died. She was now 73 years old. She was disabled. She went on a hunger strike.

She camped outside the Crown Office in Edinburgh, demanded a public inquiry, and of course the release of whatever remained of her child. A multi- agency review was conducted, and that they concluded Gary had been buried in 1975 and found no evidence of criminality or unlawful organ retention. Obviously, Miss Reed disputed those findings because they dug up the grave and there was no Gary. So, in 2023, March of 2023, just a few years ago, while she was lying terminally ill with bowel cancer in the hospital, authorities finally located and released the available remains.

And all that remained of young Gary were a few tissue blocks and slides. When I say slides, I mean the medical slides that go under a microscope. That's all that was left from the original examination. uh officials delivered them to her in a plastic supermarket bag, like a Kroger bag.

The uh agency was later forced to apologize for being so reckless and careless with Miss Reed's feelings. Uh she obviously expressed horror and then the materials were properly prepared by an undertaker. And on a beautiful Saturday morning in late March 2023, Miss Reed checked herself out of a hospital for a full 24 hours and finally conducted a respectful funeral for what remained of Gary. She did it at the Sauten Cemetery that she had gone to for nearly 48 years after his death.

The hurt has been horrendous, she said. Now I can bury him before I die. I feel great relief. She died shortly thereafter, June 2023, she was just 74 years old.

And even after the burial of the few tissue samples she had, questions about what happened to Gary's body very obviously remain. It's a reminder that some losses leave voids and no investigation can fill those voids. Uh, and that is your opening statement. It's a little dark.

It's a little morbid, but it is awfully um wait a minute. Why is my name trending on X? What have I done now? Um Oh, oh, sorry.

I didn't mean to get I just pulled it up while I was talking and then looked and thought, what's going on here? Um it it it's it's it's morbid and it's dark, but we have real questions that remain about what became of Charlie Kirk. Chapter 3: Utah Medical Examiner Required by Law to Preserve Deceased Body you know, he died in a rather fantastic event. It was a rather uh wild moment and everybody sort of looked around and assumed proper protocol would be followed.

The question is, was it? Because if it was, why do we not know to this day? What happened to his body? Was he buried?

Was he cremated? Did he have a funeral? Uh we won't we can't know because the participants at the alleged funeral, as Candace disclosed uh uh a long time ago, but again yesterday, I believe, or she believes, were forced to sign an NDA to go to their own family's funeral. Like, can you imagine being the cousin and having to sign an NDA with penalties attached to it?

Very bizarre. Very, very bizarre. Uh so, let's take a walk through this, shall we? because there are some legal requirements in Utah.

What happens to a body? And I'll just outline them broadly before we start pulling up statutes and looking at them because this is again going to be a dense day. Um, if you die in Utah, we talked about this yesterday. If you die in Utah and it's a suspected gunshot wound, in in most instances, there will be an autopsy.

But as we learned yesterday, to much to my surprise, over the weekend, I discovered an autopsy is not required. An autopsy can be waved by the medical examiner if nobody else asks for one. So if the county attorney or the attorney general asks for a autopsy, the medical examiner has to perform one. " They don't have to do one.

No autopsy is required. So what happens if the medical examiner takes custody? Because we're told the medical examiner took custody of the body. We saw a parade of people that included the medical examiner and that parade of people supposedly went to the medical examiner's office in Taylor'sville.

What's funny about that is there were news cameras all over the place and nobody seemed to remember him coming. But there is actually a statute of what happens when the death appears. This purple part right here where the death appears to have occurred under circumstances listed in 26B8-205. And I will submit to you that that is a gunshot wound.

subsection one of that has a gunshot wound. The person or persons finding or having custody of the body or jurisdiction over the investigation of the death, so that's the medical examiner or the county attorney or the police shall take reasonable precautions to preserve the body and fluids so that minimal minimum deterioration takes place. That's subsection C right there. So the medical examiner has a responsibility here until the conclusion of the autopsy.

has to be some sort of preservation of the entire body. But once the autopsy passes, is there any additional requirement? And if there is no additional requirement, does that help inform us maybe why an autopsy was rushed? Rushed.

I'll give you a followup here. Here are um situations where autopsies are authorized. And the reason why this two right here is a verb. The medical examiner shall perform an autopsy to aid in the discovery and prosecution of the crime.

So you want to make sure you protect the state's interest. Also to protect an innocent person accused of a crime. In other words, if we have a criminal defendant before we have a completed autopsy, the medical examiner is no longer just trying to figure out who died and how. But they actually have a statutory a statutory duty to the accused.

The medical examiner has a statutory duty to the accused, meaning Tyler Robinson in this case. When did we get Tyler Robinson? When did he show up? Well, he didn't show up allegedly until the night of September 11th.

He didn't show up till the night of September 11th. Well, where was Charlie's body the night of September 11th when Tyler Robinson showed up? It was in Arizona. It was in Arizona.

That's fast, ladies and gentlemen. When Charlie was not declared dead until the early afternoon, some point, , , , sometime like that in the afternoon on September 10th, you wouldn't think the body would already be in another state later. 33-hour manhunt. later, you wouldn't think the body would be in another state.

And this becomes an important factor when you think about the speed with which this entire thing was done because one of the things that can happen, one of the things that can happen with a um 20 minuteswith an autopsy with a body is the uh the criminal of the accused can request an extension. I'll show you this right here. This is a thing. This is a thing.

Uh release of the body for funeral preparations. Where a body is held for investigation or autopsy under this chapter, the body shall, if requested by the person given authority, so that would be the wife, be released for funeral preparations no longer than after the arrival at the office of the medical examiner regional medical facility. Well, ladies and gentlemen, we know when that took place. m.

on September 10th. That's when it arrived at the medical facility. And at that point, the clock starts running. They have to get the body ready and released.

They have to complete the autopsy after it arrives at the medical facility. m. It's about a 30, drive. Let's call it to get the body inside the medical facility.

That's when the clock starts running. That's when the clock starts running. If the medical examiner still has custody of that body within that whole and a criminal defendant comes along and says, "You got the wrong guy. " They can file a request in the District Court of Utah to hold the body, not release the body.

In other words, they can go to a judge and say, "Judge, this is very unusual circumstances. We think they've got it all wrong here. You need to hold the body and allow a more thorough investigation to take place. Allow potentially defense people second autopsy, second opinion.

That extension may only be ordered by a court. That's that section B right there. So, you might get some sort of an idea of why everything was sped up so fast. " Recall last night we talked about all of the autopsy pictures were taken on September 10th.

That means the autopsy, we believe, could have been done by midnight that night and released. They didn't even get to the They didn't get there until like 8, let's call it . Let's say they drove really fast on the way there and they wheeled the body in uh Yankin and Bankin. Is that what Brian Harpole called it?

Let's say they were yanking and banking on the way there and they just like catapulted the body into the building. You're talking 8:30 at the earliest. It was gone 3 and a half hours later. Like gone from the building there.

The autopsy was done. Are you kidding me? That's super fast. That's really, really fast.

That's like 20 and a half hours before the statutoily expected passes. But if you don't know when somebody might be arrested for the crime, and you don't know if that person's going to request an extension, and you really don't want a second set of eyes looking in on what's going on, and you don't want a court getting involved, and you don't want extensions being granted, and you don't want a court to say, "We need to hold this body for two weeks in the morg and keep him on ice because we're going to have to get a second team in here. " If you if you don't want any of that to happen, there's only one way to prevent it. Get that body the heck out of dodge.

" What What state medical examiner is going to look the vice president in the eye and say, "No, sir. We've still got time on our heads. We don't we don't have to release this body for another . Enjoy the tarmac, sir.

" Probably not going to happen. Probably not going to happen. " No, no, no. We're not.

You can't take the body. We've got time here. We're taking our time. We're letting the clock run.

We got to see what's going on. So, what does it take to get a body out of state in Utah? Because this seems extraordinarily fast. A lot of people have commented on this that this seems Chapter 4: Transportation and Disposition Permits Required to Move or Bury/Cremate Deceased Body extraordinarily fast.

Well, we have a rule on that. We have a rule on that. There's a Utah requirement. It's called a disposition permit.

A disposition permit, believe it or not. Uh this is it. This is the office of administrative rules authorization for final disposition of deceased persons. This is the rule for the removal, transportation, and preservation of bodies.

If you're going to remove the body, you have to obtain permission from the next kin. That's Erica. You have to determine whether the medical examiner has been notified that that was taken care of. Um, and this is 25 minutesto remove it from the hospital.

Um, and then you have to uh uh know where it's going. Right now, you got to transport it. If you're going to ship a body, and that's what happened here, that body has to be inbalmed by a licensed inbalmer. And then it's got to be placed in a particular uh uh shipping container.

Now we got to preserve it. You can't hold it in transit more than after death. After death, it has to be maintained at a temperature no more than 40° Fahrenheit. I don't know how they did that on Air Force 2.

Maybe put it down in the cargo hold and just let it freeze with the rest of the luggage. I don't know. And then there are penalties associated with this here. Um, but you have to get this permit.

You have to get this disposition permit. It's a It's a um Let me see if I can There it is. A burial transit permit. And this has to be filed with the state.

The burial transit permit has to be filed by the state. In other words, state offices aren't open in the middle of the night. the middle of the night. In order to transfer the body from one place to the other, you've got to create a record.

So, we we have to know where it went. There is some record out there that will tell us where Charlie Kirk's alleged body went. These are the burial transit permits right here. Another code section.

I told you it's going to be a little cap and gowny, at least at the beginning. It's going to be a little bumpy for those of you who don't like words. And some of you don't. Some of you don't.

uh requis uh a registration prerequisite to internment burial transit permits. We know there was a certificate of death um for deaths and fetal deaths which occur in this state. No burial transit permit is required for but let's see it's not going to be in the state because uh we we're going to need one because this is disposition occurs in the state. Well, that didn't happen.

disposition occurred in allegedly Arizona and the bur the burial transit permit shall be issued by the local registar of the district. So this is a this is something you have to get approved by a government official. This is something that cannot happen in the middle of the night. A burial uh that's bodies coming in right here.

And so you have this you've got this requirement. Again, there's a paper trail that's coming up. A lot of people alerted me to this. " I had a I had a grandma die in Utah and we wanted her to take her back to Colorado to bury or back to Nevada to bury.

And um what I've learned is a lot of people have ties to Utah, but they live in the surrounding states. And so they want to be they die in Utah or they want to be buried in Utah, one or the So, you have to get these permits going back and forth. Most people tell me these permits take weeks to get like your body stays on ice for two weeks, four weeks because these permits take forever. Not when you're Charlie Kirk.

Not when you're Charlie Kirk. Uh there's actually a requirement in Arizona for incoming people. Uh we have that statute. If you are so bored and would like to read it as well, I'll go ahead and flash it up here just so you know we're not making it up because we get accused of that sometimes and it's not true.

This is the disposition of disposition transit permits. This is for human remains coming in from out of state. You have to they have to be involved and they have to have this permit. They have to have a permit.

Funeral establishment responsible person must submit the information required and get this again another state record. So now we'll have a state record in Utah. We'll have a state record in Arizona. And the reason this is important is you can't just go cremating somebody or burying somebody without telling without filing with the state where you're doing it.

So if Charlie Kirk has been buried, we're told he was buried. I think they hinted he was buried. Maybe maybe we weren't told he was buried. We were hinted he was buried.

We're told there was a funeral at a at a cemetery. Most people when they go to funeral at the cemetery assume the body goes in the ground, but there are a lot of people questioning that. So if he went in the ground, there's a record somewhere. Someone in Arizona has access to that record that you can't just you can't just put somebody in the ground.

Now, let's say they decide we're going to fake a burial and we're going to cremate them instead. We're going to fake the burial. We're going to have all the family show up. They're going to sign NDAs.

We're going to put the casket out there. We're going to tell everybody we're going to bury him. Then they're going to leave and then we're going to go cremate them. You still have to have a record.

You still have to have a record. Meaning there's some bureaucrat in Arizona that has access to that database. And that bureaucrat, not just one, there's probably hundreds of bureaucrats in Arizona that have access to that database, could search by his name and it would pop up and it would say whether he's been cremated, where it was done, who presided over it, or where whether he was buried, where he's buried, and who presided over it. If it h if the final disposition took place in Arizona, that would be on the record somewhere.

Someone in Arizona working with the state is able to confirm that. probably not on the record because I don't think they're allowed to do that. But you know how people are. " I hear all this conversation about he wasn't buried.

Let me just look it up real fast. And they would be able to tell you real quickly. Was he buried? Was he cremated?

Or do we have a record of neither? Nor do we have a record of him being transferred out of the state, which means he's just hanging out somewhere. He's just on ice somewhere. literally on ice somewhere.

But the point of this is the more administrative headache that the state requires with all these disposition permits with all these registars with all these documents that have to be filed, the more time elapses, the more time things take. If you've ever gone to the state for any kind of thing, you show up at the vital records department and you want a copy of your own birth certificate. It takes time. Takes time.

You mail in a thing and three weeks later maybe you get a copy of your birth certificate. Maybe three weeks later you get a copy of a letter that says you need more information before you can get a copy of your birth certificate. I've been through that. I've been through that.

So you have those types of records. Now what else is required? What other records would be available? And the reason I raise all this is if we're Chapter 5: Utah Medical Examiner Required to Keep Detailed Records of Every Single Step of Autopsy and Location going to have a criminal trial, we should be able to see some of these records.

You're going to have to produce some kind of a dead body. you're going to have to produce some sort of evidence of of the fact that this all took place. So, this is an example a a a list of some of the things that the medical examiner is required to keep. This is back in Utah now.

So, this medical examiner, Guardo and Amaro, they are required to their office is required to keep all these records. There's some records custodian somewhere that has access to these in theory. Medical examiner shall maintain complete original records of the medical examiner record. They shall be properly indexed, giving the name Charlie Kirk or Charles Kirk.

Uh or otherwise identifying every individual whose death is investigated, the place where the body was found, UVU or Tempenogus Hospital, the date of death, September 10th. I can go ahead and fill this paper in for you. I mean, if I if if you know someone's taking notes, you can create one of these. Uh the cause and manner of death that's going to say gunshot wound um manner uh that's the cause manner would be homicide indicate the occupation of the deedent I don't know wildly successful podcaster slash uh nonprofit CEO slashauor slash what else did he do I I don't even know what all he did uh include all other relevant information concerning the death and a full report of the detailed findings of the autopsy and a report of the investigation.

So, all that stuff should be preserved somewhere. That's going to come into play here in just a second because this is where we go on team Erica when it comes to this record. Believe it or not, Erica and I are on the same side on this. So, um that last thing it said all other relevant information, there's something called a secure facility body intake log.

This is a timestamped log. And this timestamp log documents the exact second that the transport van arrived to the medical examiner's office. It'll identify the driver of the transport agency. It'll identify the physical integrity of the body bags forensic seals.

In other words, they don't just wrap them up in a sheet and toss them out into the minivan. They they they do it in a dignified manner. They put them in a bag. They seal the bag off.

they sign the seal. So, if they don't have it, let's just say they don't have this. This is something that's not available to them, they're going to come, they're going to have trouble when they go to the trial. They're going to have real trouble because there's a rule of evidence in Utah 901 and the requirement of authenticating or identifying an item of evidence.

They have to produce sufficient evidence to support a finding that the item is what they claim it is. In other words, they're going to have to bring somebody in from the office of medical examiner to say, "Yes, that record was kept in the ordinary course of business, and it is precisely the way it is in our record book. " You know, we're not going to give you the original, but this is a real copy. They can't admit these things without someone standing in the stand saying that stuff.

There will be an internal chain of custody tracking sheet. This is an internal log. It's step by step. It tracks the body as it was moved within the medical examiner's facility.

This is cold storage. This is over to the X-ray fac the X-ray part or maybe they bring the X-ray to the body. Over to the autopsy table back to cold storage. Every step of the way there's a signature.

There's an entry. There's a probably electronic these days, but but there's some sort of a record to the second of when that happened and where it went. And this is going to be very important because again, this seems to be very, very fast. One of the requirements of an autopsy is that the body be cool.

You're not going to cut into a brand new hot body. He hadn't been dead that long. Erica testified he was still warm when she showed up. That was at .

So, she shows up at . He's still warm according to Erica. Well, if he's warm at 4:00 and he doesn't go to the medical examiner's office till , when did they cool the body down or , , whatever? When did they cool the body down to a sufficient temperature?

Because the rule in Utah is the body has to be below 40 before they dig in below 40. So, you've got to get the body and you got to put it in cold storage. You've got to put it in what they call, I don't know, the morg or whatever they have. But you slide the body into a basically a giant cooler.

You see these on like uh CSI Miami. I don't know. Again, I don't watch TV. I have no idea if there's a cooler, more modern show, but that's the last cop show I remember.

But you see, they pull the body out of the morg. They're cold. They pull they're literally in cold storage, 35 to 39 degrees usually. And you have to bring that body down to temperature.

Why? Because an autopsy takes time. An autopsy takes two, three, ometimes four hours or more. If you're working on a body for three or four hours and it's not down to temperature when you start, it's going to deteriorate very, very quickly.

Bodies begin decomposing almost immediately. As soon as your body stops, the heart stops beating, the oxygen starts, stops coursing through your veins, the bacteria begins to grow. You begin immediately to to suffer the effects. Gases build up.

I mean, it's it's gruesome stuff, but it's it's nature taking its course. This is normal. In fact, a lot of the bacteria in your lungs, I was reading about this um back when I used to do HIV litigation. A lot of the bacteria in your lungs, scient certain scientists believe is there to speed up the decomposition process because the lungs are right there in the middle of your body, kind of like from your head to your uh from bow to stern or whatever.

um the the lungs sit right there in the middle. And if they're just courarssing with with um with bacteria, the second you die, they start immediately uh amplifying, consuming, and they start that decomposition process. Well, you're going to want to cool the body down and keep the body cool. If the body doesn't show up to the morg until 8:30 or to the medical examiner's office till , when do they cool it down to get it out of there by midnight?

To get the thing done by midnight? That that seems very very compressed. A very very compressed timeline. There's a body release form custody transfer log.

This is legally required. It's a receipt document. When the body is released from the office of the medical examiner into um usually a mortuary service will pick it up and take it back to the mortuary to do the inbalming or whatever. There's a log.

There's a log at that point and this is a little gruesome, but when they're released, they're not like funeral ready. You can't just like roll them out to the funeral later. Uh the mortuary service actually does quite a bit. They sort of piece the body back together.

They sort of sew it back. I mean, there's a lot that goes into this, but they um that takes time as well. That takes time as well. m.

It could have been as early as midnight because that's when all the pictures were done being taken. m. roughly is when it arrived to get to Air Force 2. And so if there's no custody transfer log, the state now has a gap.

They have a gap, and it's at least a 12-h hour gap. It could be as much as a 16- hour gap where the primary physical evidence in a capital homicide, meaning the the the crime scene, the body itself, is sort of floating around out there. And there's private parties. There's third parties that are in possession of this body.

It's unsecured. It's unmonitored. And keep in mind, all of this is before we've ever heard the name Tyler Robinson. All of this is before Tyler Robinson gets a lawyer who can say, "Hey, wait a minute.

You can't slow down. Slow down. We have a right to preserve everything. " It was almost as if there was a race.

Let's get this thing out of here before we have a criminal defendant because once we get a criminal defendant, everything may stop dead in its tracks and we can't have that. And so you'll have transport logs, transit logs, there'll be dispatch logs. Uh there'll be GPS tracking data. We're in the year 2026.

We'll have GPS tracking data. There'll be an escort vehicle that follows a private transport van. All of this is available. All of this is supposed to be documented.

So if they don't have it, if they can't produce evidence of that 40mm or so transport from Tempenoggus to the medical examiner before or from the medical examiner back to the mortuary service and then they can't prove where the body went and I think they're going to have trouble proving where it went because there were people standing outside the medical examiner's office and they don't recall seeing a Now to team Erica. This is the part that's fun. Chapter 6: We're on Erika's Side in Wanting to Release All of This Information This is the part that's fun. I'm going to go to a filing of hers.

I'm going to go to a filing of hers. This is a filing Erica made. Now again, Utah allows this weird situation where um the actual wife or or whoever it is here, let me close it. the the victim representative they have in Utah can actually file stuff.

And this is an example of what she filed, a supplemental notice concerning access to evidence presented in open court. In other words, Erica has an opinion on what we the people should be able to see. And I happen to agree with her in this case. Uh she's the widow and duly recognized victim representative buying through the undersigned council.

Uh notice supplements the notice yada yada. As before, Miss Kirk asserts her right upon request to be present and heard on the matter affecting her interest and so does so on behalf of the victim's family. The victim's family position is simple. Good.

At a minimum, at a minimum, every exhibit entered into evidence during the preliminary hearing must be visible to every person lawfully present in the courtroom. To receive evidence in a manner shielded from those seated in the courtroom, as happened today, is not transparency. and in the absence of transparency, speculation, and conspiracy theories will continue to proliferate in the public domain relative to the tragic assassination of Mr. Kirk, breeding doubt and trust into the judicial system.

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We don't want doubt and trust in the judicial system. This is not what anyone should want. Uh we agree with you, Miss Kirk. Uh Dr.

Kirk, we agree with you. We think every single exhibit entered into evidence must be visible. We could not agree more. It certainly would have prevented what happened on the final day where everybody walks out and says, "Oh my gosh, they've been showing you this blurry Bigfoot footage, but you should have been there on the final day.

It was HD 4K. " Okay, great. Can we have it? Erica thinks we should have it.

I would like to see it. I'd like to double check agent poso. Is it really that good? There were other people in the courtroom like Brandy and Billy who said maybe it wasn't.

I'd like to be my own determin of fact. Absolutely every single piece of evidence needs to be made public. Absolutely every piece of evidence needs to be made public. So what is the relief Miss Kirk is asking for?

Well, let's find out. For the foregoing reasons, Erica Kirk on behalf of the victim's family respectfully requests that the court at a minimum order all exhibits admitted into evidence during the last three days that were not published to the courtroom be so published during the proceedings scheduled for July 9 so that all persons lawfully present in the courtroom may view them. Well, you know what one of those pieces of evidence was? Do you know what one of those pieces of evidence was?

It was the medical examination. It was the autopsy report. All we got of the autopsy report was an officer stating that he heard from somebody that the manner of death was homicide and that the cause of death was a gunshot wound to the neck. We weren't able to see it, but we know it was exhibit 11.

We know it was offered by the state and we now know what's in it. That autopsy report is going to have a number of things in there, including the manner and cause of death that that they told us the conclusion, but it's also going to have a whole lot of other stuff like the time the body arrived where? What time did the body arrive? in Taylor'sville at the medical examiner's office.

Well, we don't know. We're guessing around , . At what time did the autopsy start? Where did the body move about in the facility in the meantime?

Did they take it to the uh morg to cool it down? How long did that take? How long was it there? How long was it on ice after it moved from being on ice?

Where did you go then? Did you go exactly right to the autopsy table? What time did that take place? When did the autopsy begin?

The actual, you know, opening of the body, the examination of the body, when did that take place? How did you determine the body was the proper temperature? Who was in the room? That's going to be in the autopsy report.

We know only one name. It's an officer or excuse me, Sergeant Barrett of the State Bureau of Investigation. As we discussed last night, we can't find one. We can find one Sergeant Barrett in all of Utah.

And that Sergeant Barrett is a highway patrolman. She does traffic stops. She does car wrecks. Who was in the room?

Other than a single cop, you would think there would be an autopsy assistant. Maybe that's typical. Who was that? What was that person's name?

Uh, you would think there would be maybe an X-ray tech of some sort. you want to do an X-ray, particularly if you think there's I mean, I think it's pretty standard do an X-ray anyway on an autopsy, I think. But if you if you um don't do an X-ray, how do you know if there are bullet fragments in the neck, for example? You should be able to know the answer to that question.

Did you do one? That should be in the autopsy report. Erica Kirk has said that she has seen the autopsy report. She claims she saw it.

" That she doesn't know what's in that autopsy report. And she and she would go, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I know we said all. I know we said every, but I forgot about the autopsy report.

That's not how it works. There wasn't a lot of evidence. I think there were only like 16 or 17 pieces of evidence that they they entered. A lot of those were videos.

" Then I think we should be able to see that because all of that information we discussed should be available. It should all be somewhere. We should have access to it. Chapter 7: The Absence of Evidence is Creating "Conspiracy Theories" And I agree with her lawyer.

The absence of the evidence is causing wild speculation about what's happening. This was my point yesterday with the videos. I don't know whether he jumped in a car when he jumped off the roof. I doubt it, but he might have.

I don't know if he made a phone call or some car pulled up and talked to him when he was standing in the parking garage stairs. I don't know whether he pulled out a second phone and that's what they don't want us to see. I don't know whether he was doing hand signals to someone in the parking lot. I don't know.

I can't know. But I do know when you clip the footage, you show him walk up and then we see it jump ahead like a minute and then it picks back up and it shows him walking down and you guys don't mention that it jumps ahead and you don't tell us why it jumps ahead. 50 minutesIn the absence of evidence, conspiracy theories run wild. Because my mind, the way my mind works is I look at all this and this is what we did.

We pulled up all the footage and we looked through all the different footage of that they showed that day and you started to notice these things were missing. There were a lot of jumping around. There were a lot of things missing and they tried to do these sizzle cuts. They tried to do these edits where they have arrows and circles.

And the judge said, "No, no, no. We're not doing edits and circles. " But then he allowed him to put in segmented evidence. He allowed him to put in evidence that had been clipped from the middle.

They did it on the roof. They did it on the parking garage. I want to say there was one more they did. I can't remember what the other one was.

Maybe him walking through the stairwells. I think maybe walking through the stairwells one time the time jumped a little bit. But it's my contention Tyler Robinson didn't do this. I I don't think it makes sense that Tyler Robinson did this alone.

And if Tyler Robinson didn't do this alone, then it's my contention he was probably working with somebody or that that wasn't Tyler Robinson at all. Or that maybe Tyler Robinson was one of the people that was working with whoever we keep seeing on camera. I don't know. Maybe Tyler Robinson was a Dairy Queen enjoying some chicken tendies in a blizzard.

I really have no idea. But if you're going to jump the footage around while cars are driving through the parking lot, I'm free to speculate that one of them stopped and talked to him. I'm free to speculate that he called out picked up a phone and called somebody and you can read his lips maybe or whatever. I'm free to speculate that he sat there and texted somebody.

Seems like he was on his phone all the time. If he gets up on the roof and you tell me he put the gun together and you don't show me, you don't show him putting the gun together with a screwdriver, I'm free to speculate he didn't put the gun together with a screwdriver cuz why else wouldn't you have shown me him putting the gun together with a screwdriver? That's a key part of your narrative. You want me to believe he was limping into campus because he was had a giant gun down his pants?

That 306 is a big gun. I mean, it's as tall as like a 12y old. It's like almost four feet tall. Maybe not 12-y old, maybe a 10-year-old.

That's a big big gun. More than three and a half feet tall. If you're going to tell me that he limped onto campus because he had a gun down his pants, and I just got to trust you, bro, that the video footage you cut out shows him pulling a gun out of his pants. I'm free to speculate he didn't pull a gun out of his pants.

You should see my notes. I should show them. You should see my notes from when I was watching the preliminary hearing. Every time they did this, I wrote like 10 things that he could have done in in in the time that they jumped.

Like I think at one point I said he could have had a could have ordered a cheeseburger to the roof and had Door Dash delivered up there. I don't know. I doubt it, but he could have. That would be interesting delivery instructions.

I'm at Utah Valley University campus. I'm actually in the Losi Center, but not in the Losi Center as much as on the Losi Center. Enter from the south stairs. Walk up to the top, you'll see me.

I'm in all black. I've got fatigues on. I've got a helmet on. May or may not have a 43inch long firearm in my hands.

Yeah, go ahead and drop that off. I'd like my cheeseburger. Uh u bring a double fudge sundae with it if you could. I don't know.

Why can't I speculate about that? Did he do somersaults up there? Did he barrel? What did he do?

Where did he go? Because you keep stopping everything. Same thing with the autopsy report. I'm free to speculate at this point that an autopsy didn't happen.

Why? I haven't seen one. I'm free to speculate that they did a crappy job on the autopsy. They did the bare minimum.

Here's what I think happened. I'm free to speculate on this. Am I right? I don't know.

But in I I agree with Erica Kirk's lawyer in this situation because I don't know conspiracy theories are going to run wild. Here's what I think happened. I think at Tempenogga's hospital they decided they weren't going to do an autopsy. I think that police officer who radioed over the signal I don't have my little little box.

Oh yeah, it was right here. There's no autopsy going to happen. They're just going to sign the death certificate. The wife's on her way.

I think that happened. I think somebody showed up and said, "Look, we're not doing an autopsy. We're just going to get the body out of here. We're going to we're going to call in the medical examiner.

They're going to wave the autopsy. We're going to prepare the body, get the get all the paperwork in order. " And the reason I think that is because Brian Harpole made such a big deal on the Sean Ryan Show about needing an autopsy. Brian Harpole seems to try to make himself the hero in every story.

Brian Harpole was willing to risk his own life to try to save Charlie's. Brian Harpole, the way he tells the story, he's actually hanging out of the car. They're doing 60, 80, 100 miles an hour. They're yanking and banking.

Apparently, now we know from the 911 call that that Candace talked about today, allegedly, we know that that they are yelling at traffic to get out of the way. So apparently there was traffic while they're yanking and banking and doing 60 80 100 miles an hour. But Brian Harpo loves to be the hero. He loves to put himself in the center of the story.

He loves to make himself heroic. Don't sue me, Brian. I'm allowed to speculate because we don't have the information. And because he wants to make himself the center of the story, he likes to weigh in on things.

He likes to weigh in on what's going on. So he tells the story of him hanging out of the door and Rick Cutler because he's got the tattoo he's hanging on to him and he's stuffing 36 feet of gauze inside of Charlie and he's he's doing this and that. Then they get to the hospital finally they get out of the hospital. They get him they throw him up on the stretcher.

Brian Harpole man jumps up there. He's cutting shirts. He's ordering people around. I need two cc's of this.

I need that stat. You got to say stat in a medical if you're in a if you're in a medical emergency. You don't say stat. Were you in a medical emergency at all?

Did it really happen? So he's saying stat. He's get there, here, here, there. He's ordering the medical professionals around.

He wheels Charlie. I think this is his story. I have to go back and listen to do it, but I think he wheels Charlie into one of the rooms and then he decides Charlie might need a defibrillator, so he cuts Charlie's shirt off. That's a prime example of somebody putting themselves in the story because nearly every medical professional that has reached out to this program and others has said that did not happen.

I've seen videos on X, I've seen videos on YouTube, nurses, emergency room nurses, emergency room physicians, everyone's like if someone tried that in my emergency room, I would have them arrested. There's usually police there. Get that man, put him in prison, put him under the prison. So, if Brian Harpole has this I've got to be the center of attention thing going on, then there's something going on relative to the autopsy.

Because to hear Brian Harpole tell the story, he walks in and they and the doctor looks him in the eye. " But Brian is telling the story. I think I'm telling the story correctly. Again, don't sue me, Brian.

I'm trying to be right. I could pull it up and show it, but that's boring. It's more fun when I tell the story. But if you don't believe me, go check the story.

It'll tell the truth. Um, but I think this is what happens. And he goes and he um he tells the doctor, "We need an autopsy. That's what we need.

" Apparently, they also needed scrubs, but that was a different story. Frank likes to tell that story. Apparently, they also needed scrubs. I don't know what happened to their clothes, but they needed scrubs.

And that's what he needed. I need an autopsy. I don't again, I've never been a security professional. I've never had a friend die on me like that in tragically in in in p person.

And I've never been in a hospital confronted with a doctor asking me in the wake of an assassination attempt, what do I need? But according to Brian, the first thing that came to his mind was an autopsy. And the reason is because he didn't want any of these dad gum conspiracy theories. This is a little bit of main character syndrome in my opinion.

Brian has now put himself in the story but didn't may not have happened. That whole story may not have happened. And um it leads me to believe that something weird happened with the autopsy. So I take Brian Harpole's story about oh we need an autopsy so we don't have a JFK experience.

And then I take the radio call from the cops saying they're waving the autopsy. They're not going to do an autopsy. They're just going to sign the death certificate here and release the body. " I do believe before , before Erica got there, that was the decision that was made.

That the decision was made, there was not going to be an autopsy. And remember in Utah, that's a lawful decision. We looked at that law yesterday. There's two classes of people who can demand an autopsy.

a medical examiner or the or the law enforcement, the either the county attorney or the attorney general. Only those two classes of people can demand an autopsy. Someone from the office of medical examiner, someone from the county attorney or attorney general's office. That's it.

If the mom wants one, I don't know if they can require one or not. If the wife wants one, the statute doesn't say they have to have one. They probably would defer to the wife in that situation, but it doesn't say that they have to. I think along the line somebody said this is a really bad idea.

You're going to want an autopsy here. Um, people are not going to accept this case without an autopsy. It's a very high-profile political assassination. m.

my time, ABC News had broken into their regularly scheduled programming to cover the Charlie Kirk assassination without commercial interruption. I'm not sure they thought that was going to happen. That That was a big That was a big issue. I remember flipping around on TV thinking all the networks have broken in on this.

I mean, Charlie was a big deal. I get it. I mean, he was he was a well-known guy, but it's not like it was Trump or Vance. It's not like it was Obama or some former president or even a secretary of state.

It's not like it was Marco Rubio. It was a podcaster. It was a podcaster. No.

If if if something happens to Shawn Ryan, are they going to break in on ABC News? I doubt it. His Seawn Ryan's podcast is higher ranked than Charlie's was. If something happened Joe Rogan, I mean Joe Rogan has the biggest podcast in the world.

If something happens to Joe Rogan, are they going to break in on ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox News, MSNBC, CNN? Are they going to break in, do roundthe-clock coverage without commercial interruption on the death of Joe Rogan, the tragic death of Joe Rogan? Probably not. And I doubt the people affiliated with Charlie Kirk thought there was going to be around the clock joined in progress coverage from major news organizations because that started about the same time that the call went out that there wasn't going to be an autopsy.

And then two months later, Brian Harpole gets on a podcast and he he has now created himself as the main character saying, "I'm the reason there was an autopsy. I demanded an autopsy and I wanted it done fast. " Brian Harpole. I That's That's how I took the story.

That's that's the imp that's the effect on the listener, Brian. That's how it came across to me listening to the Shawn Ryan Show. And so I think at that point they said, "Oh crap. We have a real problem on our hands.

We have a real problem on our hands. We were trying to get this thing out of here quick. We wanted this body back in Arizona before anyone figured out he'd even been shot. And now we've got to do an autopsy.

" So the medical examiner shows up. I think around 10 till 5 we have a news camera coverage that shows the medical examiner show up. I think it was around 4:49 or 4:50 Utah time. It's around 4 and a half hours after Charlie's picking out.

The medical examiner shows up. " But here's the catch. The vice president's coming in tomorrow. That body has to be on that plane.

And if you know anything about Secret Service, vice presidents don't hang out at airports. That's not the way it works. It's a very vulnerable place for a vice president to be. A very vulnerable place for any any Secret Service protectee to be.

You don't want to be in the airport any longer than you have to be. You don't want to hang out on the tarmac. All of the defenses on Air Force One and Air Force 2 work in the air. They don't work on the ground.

All of them. All the missile deflections and all that. An airplane on the ground is a sitting duck. And we remember in the wake of 9/11, for example, there were people who got into the secured area of airports with firearms, with weapons.

There were people who employees who got out on the tarmac with weapons. The airports are very large places, very difficult to contain, very difficult to lock down and secure really. So, you don't want a Secret Service detainee hanging out on the airport. And so the decision comes down, we're going to have to, this has become a major news story.

We're not going to be able to sneak the body out of Utah before anybody finds out about it. It's kind of like Osama bin Laden, you know, they they told us he was dead after they had dumped the body in the Indian Ocean. Hold on. I don't know if you can see I don't know if you can see the eye roll, but it was there.

I promise. But they told us they dumped the body after they told us they killed him after they dumped the body. I think that was the way they wanted to break the news on Charlie Kirk. They wanted before anybody really started doing any coverage, Charlie Kirk to be back in Arizona safely, back on home territory, back at Hansen Mortuary or wherever they plan to take him back there.

But unfortunately for them, they had to do a an autopsy. Now imagine you're the medical examiner. You're doing an autopsy that nobody wants. You're doing an autopsy that nobody wanted in the first place.

You're told this has to be done quickly. You're told that the vice president of the United States is on his way and he's expecting to leave quickly with a body. He's not going to hang around on the tarmac for waiting on you to finish. There's really nowhere else for him to go in Utah.

They haven't done advance. When the vice president travels, they do advance work. They hadn't done advance work that day. He just showed up the same day he left.

I mean, like unless they knew Charlie was going to die before September 10th, they had no idea to to go ahead and sweep for bombs and put snipers on roofs and all the things you do when the vice president travels. He just they just flew him into an airport. Again, not a very secure place to be if you're the vice president of the United States. And so there's a lot of pressure on you, the medical examiner, not only to finish the autopsy, but you can't transport a body fresh off an autopsy.

It's hot again. It's been back at room temperature for several hours. It hasn't been inbalmed. And there's a law that you have to inbalm the body before you transport it out of the state.

You have to have this disposition certificate we talked about. That's the reason I went through all this. All these records should exist and they should start existing from the moment he showed up at the hospital. The moment he showed up at the hospital, the moment they declare him dead, he's no longer a human being.

Unfortunately, you become property. You become the property. You become in the custody of the state of Utah. Wherever you die, you're the custody of that state.

And there's somebody charged with taking over each step of the way. There's a chain of custody that takes place. And so, Charlie Kirk, bang, on on uh at , he goes down. They take him to the hospital.

At some point, they declare him dead. Mikey McCoy, allegedly the general himself, the admiral Mikey McCoy, the bravest man in the history of mankind, gets on the phone with the vice president of the United States. Get to Utah. We're gonna have you transport him out of here.

Stat. Again, you're in medical setting. You got to say stat. Get him over here.

Get over here. Stat. Okay. No advanced work.

We got to fly in the vice president. So, you wheel the body into the ME's office and you know that the time is ticking. Not only do you have to do an autopsy, you've got to get the body transported from the medical examiners back to a mortuary service company that can that can dispose of the body. Somebody has to pick up the body.

They have to drive the body back to a mortuary service place. They have to debalm the body. They have to prepare the body. They have to put it in a transportation casket because it's leaving the state.

All of this is why I think they were going to wave the autopsy because all of this slows the process down considerably. And keep in mind, we don't yet have a criminal defendant. We don't have anybody in line that can object to the disposition of the body. We don't have anybody yet that can object to uh to to get getting the body out of the state.

And so the clock is running. The vice president's coming. We don't have a criminal defendant. Let's go.

Let's go. Let's go. How thorough do you think that autopsy was? I mean, I can see a situation where the ME shows up and it's like, "Look, it's late.

It's the middle of the night. They're making us do this. The We didn't initially want to do this. We didn't think it was necessary.

The doctor didn't think it was necessary. Everybody kind of roundly agrees what happened. He got shot in the neck with a 36 from the Losi Center roof. But they're making us do this, guys.

So, let's let's roll. We're not going to do the best autopsy we've ever done. It's going to be quick, going to be dirty. It's going to be done.

We're going to check all the boxes and then they go through the process. I think that's what happened. I think that's what happened. I think if we saw the autopsy report, we would see that's what happened because we would know what time the body got there.

We would know whether they cooled the body down. We would know what time the autopsy started. We would know what time all the photographs were taken. We would know what time the autopsy finished.

We would know what time they called the mortuary service to come pick him up. And they we would know what time they actually picked him up. And they would know what time they inbalmed the body. All these times would be documented.

They would all be contained in a report form that we could look at. And that's why I side with Erica Kirk. " That was exhibit 11. The judge accepted it as evidence.

" In other words, I'm not morbid. I'm not a vile creature or whatever Blake likes to call people that ask about how Charlie's body was disposed of. If you're going to call me that, you got to call Erica that, cuz I'm on her side on this. I'm on team Erica.

I want to see what happened to the body. I have strong reason in the absence of evidence to launch into wild conspiracy theories about what may or may not have happened. The absence of evidence allows the mind to just go crazy. I could come up with all kinds of wild scenarios.

I could come up with a scenario where they didn't do an autopsy at all. " One of the things we talked about tonight, I'm not going to pull it back up, but the tissue samples, those are supposed to be saved somewhere. They were supposed to take tissue samples as 11 minutespart of the autopsy. I think I looked it up.

I think in they take bile tissue. I'm doing this off my memory, so don't don't don't quote me on this. Bile tissue, blood, urine, maybe stool, um, heart tissue, and maybe brain tissue. I'm not sure, but they take like six or eight pieces of tissue and and they take a good amount and that stuff is preserved.

It's somewhere. It's available. It can be inspected. And the law in Utah is it has to remain preserved until the disposition of the criminal case.

Meaning, if you go to a death penalty with Tyler Robinson, that tissue has to be preserved until the day the needle is in his arm. You can't just go getting rid of it. You can't just remove remove that stuff. You can't dump it.

And if you don't have it, that's real evidence that something was done very wrong at the autopsy. The other things you could do is take a DNA sample of it. I want to do, you know, if I'm the defense, I'm doing a DNA test on that heart tissue. Doing a DNA test on all of it.

I want to know that that's his body. It's hard to get DNA from it's hard to get heart tissue out of a living person. So that's that would prove death, I would think. I'll tell a funny story real quick.

I had an infection on my arm when I was I don't know how old I was. It was 2009, June of 2009. Had a really bad infection on my elbow. Something called MRSA.

It's awful. Got down into bone kind of like it was all just all over the arm. It was going up my arm, up this way, and down this way. It was terrible.

I was in the hospital for a long time. And when I was in the hospital, they initially just were putting uh IV lines in my arms, but they were putting this horrific uh combination of drugs in my body, and it was blowing the veins out. It was so toxic. It was just like destroy the vein.

They would put it in my arm and then just just blow the vein out. So, they they stopped doing that. They put in a pickline. And that's just a a a line that dumps into your heart, right?

Um and I kept telling the guy that I thought it was too low because every time I leaned forward, it was like giving me a jolt. " He was like, "No, you're just it's in your head. It's not a thing. " And I did it while he was sitting there.

It just my whole body jerked. And I was like, "I'm telling you, dude. " He was like, "Fine. " And he did.

It felt better after that. Never happened again. And I forgot about it. I think Pickline was in two or three weeks.

I was I had this little portable carrier and it was giving me IVs the whole time. I had to change out a bag or something every few days where it could shoot more IV in me um or more antibiotics. And I forgot all about it. Then it's time to take the pickline out.

So, I go to the appointment to pull the pickline out and the lady pulls it out. It's a weird feeling, by the way. just, you know, they're like pulling this giant line out of your arm. And when she gets to the end, there's this goo on the very end of it.

" She's like, "I don't know. " I was like, "What? " So, I don't know if I got a little bitty uh hole in my heart or whatever. If something ever happens to me, someone check that.

Make sure they do a good autopsy. Make sure you get it. Uh uh uh and and check out that area where the pickline would be landing in my heart. see if it did any damage in it.

Statute of limitations is already run on uh on that claim, but I I'd like to know. I'd like to know. I don't even know how I got Oh, tissue samples. So, these tissue samples should be preserved somewhere.

Someone should have a copy of these tissue samples. But I'm telling you right now, that is my current position. My current position on all this missing evidence goes to the most conspiratorial angle. the most conspiratorial.

If you're going to clip footage out of him standing at the top of the parking garage, I my mind goes to he's talking to someone on the phone, in a car, some maybe someone walks up to him. That's where my mind is going to go. But what are you going to feel really stupid if you come out of trial and they he was just standing there for a minute? Okay, then they should have explained it.

They should have explained it. They should have said that he didn't do anything, so we just clipped it down for the sake of time. I think it's stupid to save a minute on a five-day hearing, but you should have at least explained it. 16 minutesDon't try to pull a fast one on me when cars are disappearing and shadows are jumping all over the screen because it's obvious and then the time stamp jumps.

It's obvious you cut a minute out. And if you're not going to explain it and you're not going to show it to me, my mind is going to go crazy. Don't tell me he pulls a gun out of his pants and assembles it with a screwdriver if you're not going to show me show me him show him doing it. I need to see him doing those things because other than that, my mind goes to a place where that didn't happen.

because if it happened, you'd have showed me. It's it's intrinsic to your story. It's an inherent part of your story. I apologize for the gross descriptions of my heart.

I apologize, ladies and gentlemen. It won't happen again. I will conclude this way. I don't know what Candace is sitting on, but I wouldn't want to be Blake, Andrew, Erica, Tyler Boyer, 17 minutesor anyone else right now at Turning Point USA.

I wouldn't want to be Jeff Gray at the Utah County uh prosecutor's office, what they call it, county attorney's office. I wouldn't want to be Cash Patel. I wouldn't want to be the director of the state bureau of investigation, Bo Mason, or whatever whatever his title is, public safety. I wouldn't want to be any of those people right now.

I wouldn't want to be sheriff uh cowboy hat there in Utah County, the movie star. I wouldn't want to be him either because if Candace tells you it's going to be a big week, I'd buckle your safety harness. I'd tune in. I anticipate the attacks will amplify this week.

It always happens that way. I do find a lot of irony in what she's doing, though. It seems pretty obvious Blake is gone. He's on vacation or somewhere right now.

He's not going to be back on the radio until Wednesday. It seems pretty obvious Erica is gone. She's nowhere to be found. She did her speech in Seattle and has vanished off the face of the earth.

And it seems pretty obvious Andrew's is headed somewhere also. It seems like he's headed somewhere. And I love the irony in it because every time Candace goes on vacation, the attacks amplify. You remember when she went to Russia, they went crazy.

That's when they launched the attack on George Farmer and they launched the attacks on Candace and she's this and she's that. Then she goes to Spain and it goes on overload while she's in Spain for a week or two. That just nuts. It's just crazy.

Your humble host doesn't face that problem because I don't take vacation. I don't have to worry about it. I don't have to worry about We don't do vacations in the colon. No, we do.

We do. Just not often. Not often. Maybe we should.

Uh but the attacks tend to amplify. And when you have this amplification in attacks every time she's on vacation, it's only right that she should wait until they're all gone to launch her attacks. And I think that's exactly what she's done. I I have this strong suspicion that that it's going to be a really ugly week for these guys.

It's going to be a really ugly week for the Fed slop narrative and it's going to be a really ugly week for TPUSA. Really, really bad. Uh you people who have committed to the mountain of evidence and and I'll I'll give my final warning. I think this may be my final warning I'm going to be able to give you guys.

You should run, don't walk, and try to get a deal. That That's That's my That's my take. That's my tip. You should try to get a deal.

Uh she had braids on today, gentlemen. Braids. She wasn't wearing a bun. She didn't have on a hat.

She had braids. uh the braids. She's she's prepared to bring the heat, I'm afraid. And if you guys are committed to this fed slop narrative, if you're committed to this mountain of evidence, you're going to get caught with your pants down.

Particularly if you're on vacation and you can't respond. It's going to be bad. I think you're in for a really, really, really bad week. It's my final warning.

If you have a lawyer, it's only 6:30 Arizona time right now. Call them. It's a good time. It's a good time to put them on notice and and maybe make an appointment for the morning.

You're not going to be on the radio anyway. All right, guys. Um, excuse me. I started to cough before I hit the cough button.

Uh, appreciate you uh joining the program. If you have not had the occasion to hit, like I warned you, it'd be a little cappy and gowny tonight. We have to cover the whole case. And sometimes the case involves going through the requirements of the disposition of the body before you discuss what happened to the body.

And we had to do it. We had to do it. It's part of the case. Part of the case.

Uh, everybody says, "Do do would you represent Tyler? Are you going to watch the hearing all the way through? " And I always say no because court court is boring. Court is usually pretty boring.

Sometimes investigating crimes are a little boring as well, but we have to do it. We have to do it. Um I just set up the rest of the week. I will I have a meeting Friday I can't miss.

So I will not be on the air at all Friday. Um I'll do a member show tomorrow. Tomorrow I will not be on the air in the evening in all likelihood. Might decide to jump on after her show depending on what she drops tomorrow.

I will do a member show in the afternoon and then we'll see how the evening goes. Um, but I will definitely do a member show tomorrow uh in the afternoon and then Wednesday and Thursday I'll do my regular live show and of course I'll have my meeting Friday morning and that's going to last so long I will not be able to prepare for anything Friday. Not a member show or a or a regular show. So I'll be out Friday completely.

Then I'll be back Sunday. Then I'll be back Sunday. Um, so that's kind of a setup for the week. Uh, again like, subscribe, notifications, all that good stuff.

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BREAKING: Charlie’s Team DID Call 911 En Route To The Hospital… Andrew Kolvet’s Big Lie. | Ep 366
Candace Owens
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Andrew Kolvet has a weekend crash out and gets community noted, Erika says a lot of words at a Make Heaven Crowded tour event, we receive an explosive lead on the 911 call that took place on 9/10, and we hear from a witness who saw someone run on the rooftop.



Transcript

Chapter 1: Start. All right, you guys. Happy Monday to everyone except Andrew Kovette. Man, oh man.

He had another crash out this week, this weekend. But I'm kidding. I actually do wish Andrew Kovette uh a special happy Monday because he provided me with great laughs over the weekend. We're going to get into what happened on social media and the hilarious community note which he got slapped with.

Plus, Erica Kirk is back on the road, this time in Washington State for the continuation of the Make Heaven Crowded tour, and she is saying a lot of words, but I'm not sure anyone knows what they mean. We're going to get into that as well. Before we get to her, we receive what promises to be an explosive lead on the 911 call that took place in route to the hospital, one that no one can find despite many public records requests. So, let's jump right back into this.

Welcome back to Candace. Chapter 2: Utah's chief medical examiner resigns. We actually have a lot of breaking news today. So, we'll start with this right at the top.

You know, early on we had identified uh Utah's chief medical examiner, the one who would have signed off on Charlie's autopsy report, as a woman who had strong military ties, comes from a very powerful family, claims to be a direct descendant of Leaf Ericson, which actually may be true based on our research. A woman by the name of Dr. Dedra Amaro. Her tenure began July 1st of 2024.

And now we can exclusively report that Dr. Dedra Amaro has resigned from her position. She's no longer the chief medical examiner of Utah. Now I am actually hearing that there are a lot of resignations happening full stop across the board, particularly at UVU, also at police departments, which all seem to be occurring because people have a general 2 minutessense of corruption that they would like to remove themselves from.

Curiously enough, there was no official reason provided for Deedra's sudden resignation, only that she is moving on from her position. I find that to be um a lead that people should chase. com. Why is our chief medical examiner of Utah resigning so quickly?

Okay, moving on from that and um jumping into why we Chapter 3: Andrew Kolvet & Blake Neff get angry over a simple question. love Andrew Kovette. He gives us so much content. He's such a fool.

But there will probably never be a greater community note on X in my opinion. A little biased here than the one that was issued to Andrew over this weekend. So, you know, all last week we were kind of covering how he just seems to be coming apart. The preliminary hearing started and Andrew lost his mind.

The real Andrew, I should say, actually emerged. He's making enemies everywhere now, including in the press, which is not a good place for him to make enemies because, well, that's what he does for a living. He's a spokesperson, right? By the way, a fun update on that Daily Mail article wherein direct quotations were used to assert a family friend of Erica's confirmed that Erica refers to me as the b- word in private.

That article, it's still up. the direct quotations. They're still in that article. Remember Andrew Kulette lied, explicitly lied and attempted to blame me for that article.

Uh, and what really happened, I told you, was Erica and her close family friend planted that article and then it backfired and then they tried to daro tactic me. He didn't just brazenly lie on me in that scenario. He also lied on the journalist who was doing actually a favorable job for Erica. So, it was plainly evil all around.

But nothing he has done, nothing Turning Point USA has done or participated in has been more evil to me than attempting to rewrite and frankly 4 minutesdelete the very well documented and storied history and friendship between me and Charlie Kirk. Everyone knows that you've gone to Turning Point USA event. You remember the come up at Turning Point USA? You remember how Turning Point USA hit the map?

It was a actually who gave us uh the the jet fuel Kanye West a tweet. I love the way Candace Owens thinks. Suddenly Charlie and I are everywhere. People are wondering what is Turning Point USA because I was the communications director.

The attempt to sort of pretend that none of that happened, that we didn't fight so many battles together and remain close friends. I don't know that just takes a special kind of individual. So I would say Andrew Kovat is a special kind of individual. And during the Tyler Robinson preliminary hearing, he took it far far.

He challenged me to prove that Charlie and I had any friendship in the last 24 months of his life. He just passed me a ball, I guess, to just do a layup. Just a slam dunk. He wrote this.

Remember Candace, you and Charlie were not friends. He managed you. He kept things light and polite so that you would not turn on the organization. Show me any proof of a genuine friendship from the last 12 months of his life.

from the last 18 months, from the last 24 months, not some 2018 text, something recent. They keep this narrative that she keeps showing a 2018 text. No, I showed a 2018 text which was relevant to him predicting his own death. That's just when that conversation took place.

I It was by no means needed for me to go back into 2018 to demonstrate me and Charlie's friendship. That's absurd. I toured with him every year. I had a contract with Turning Point USA to do just that.

But I guess um I uh must have startled him when I rose to this challenge. I It was so easy. I couldn't believe he was really throwing down the gauntlet here. I shared messages between Charlie and I initiated by Charlie wherein he tells me to stand up to the Jewish mob that I was being intentionally targeted by them.

I was that the targeting was inorganic. That he knew that the Daily Wire was behind it. That he had my back as he always did publicly and privately. So, it's not like Charlie was just saying this privately.

People have shared the clips of him saying just that publicly. " But I guess be careful what you wish for, Andrew, because these messages obviously then went viral because it just provided more proof of what I was saying that the last year and a half of his life, he was being swarmed by these Zionist bees who were pressuring him more and more, trying to dictate who he could be friends with, who he could invite to his events, and spending a lot of money to do that, using money as the threat. We'll take away your money or we'll give you more money if you include this person. And so people being able to see those messages, it was stunning.

It went viral all weekend. people were discussing them and then the amount of subsequent coping which ensued. Andrew's reply once these messages went viral. They were the reply was overwhelming.

They love that word. I was overwhelmed. Overwhelmingly hilarious. This is what Andrew Kobach came back with.

Yes, I've seen the alleged texts shared by Candace. I have no idea about their authenticity. Like, let's just stop right there. or Andrew Kovette.

Erica has his phone. Scroll up, type in the phrase that I shared and come back with something more honest than this. Okay? You know that's a real conversation.

Andrew, this is why nobody trusts you. No one believes you. What a ridiculous start. The alleged text.

I have no idea. I couldn't bother to find out whether or not these text messages are real. " That's a lot of coping happening in the first sentence. And then he goes, "Here are my observations.

It can be an evil thing to release a man's private messages after his death. Not everything is meant to be public. I can understand certain things in certain contexts, but Candace is weaponizing these messages to diminish Charlie's public statements and advance her own agenda. " So Twitter had to remind him about himself and said Kovit previously challenged Owens quote show me any proof of a genuine friendship from the last 12 18 or 24 months like the text release or from November of 2023 within the 22 months of Kirk's death on September 10th.

Sorry Andrew, you can't just keep moving the goalpost. And by the way, his response was a lot longer. It's just so unbelievably ridiculous. He then shares a clip of me from July of 2025 when I revealed my phone call to Trump and he says Charlie was particularly upset in July when Candace violated Trump's confidentiality when he called me about uh Breijit's penis and said, you know, Charlie didn't like this.

Okay, by the way, that's probably true. Charlie and I had a totally different approach when it came to politicians. I told her he was the ultimate diplomat trying to make friends with people. I me coming to the 9 minutesWhite House asking me to be quiet that's not that's something that should be shared publicly.

I believe like it's free speech. So what does that have to do with anything we're talking about? Is is your argument are we now adjusting the goalpost to saying that at mid July of 2025 that's when Charlie didn't like me but he was back on stage referring to us as friends and saying that he would not be morally blackmailed against our friendship in August. It's ridiculous.

They're just lying about everything and chasing their own tails. But there is also another crash out that's happening, a sensitivity, so to speak, over a simple yes or no question, which I may or may not know the answer to, as to whether or not Charlie Kirk was cremated. I just sort of dropped that on the net. And the question immediately caused turning point and their mocking birds to come undone.

Blake Nef lost his mind. This was his response. He wrote again, "This is none of your business. You vile witch.

Okay. All right, Blakey, calm down. What are you so upset about? Yes or no?

Was Charlie's body cremated? And by the way, while we're asking this question, could the public get some clarity on what is and is not our business? Because I'm so old, I actually remember when Charlie's dead body in a casket less than after he was murdered was in fact made the public's business. And I've never seen this ever in my whole life.

People that I know who have never seen the inside of their casket like this uh presented publicly. Remember? Let's take a look. I love you.

I love you. I love you. I know. I love you.

I love you. I love you. God bless you. Can Can somebody comment on that?

Can somebody let us know if that's normal? I want you to think about the distance of the camera to Erica as she's saying goodbye to her husband. Is that normal? I'm also old enough to remember when the blood on Charlie's handheld microphone after he was murdered was used to fund raise at Mara Lago.

His literal blood on a microphone was apparently the public's business when people wanted to raise money. Here she is, Erica, next to the bloody mic looking down on it. The actual bloody mic. And here it is again, the bloody mic.

And I I think they may have even auctioned that painting. I'm not positive, but I think they did. I remember old enough to remember when the tent under which he was murdered was recreated and opened for selfie business. All of this was apparently okay for the public to have access to.

But this yes or no question, now all of a sudden she wants privacy. Also, let's let's back it up to a day before Charlie died when Erica posted her mother looking frail and sick in a wheelchair on Instagram. It I I would say in general, you guys remember this post? I would say in general, it does seem like public sympathy and using the theme of death to garner it is her thing.

So, I I don't this seems like an extraordinary carve out here. Like suddenly where he's buried or whether or not he's cremated is a bridge too far. like can we get a yes or no? Is he cremated?

But you actually notice apparently any questions surrounding the burial elicits this sort of a strong emotion. In fact, in retrospect, Erica made that clear early on. It's really the first time we ever actually saw her get fired up in public. We went from Tyler Robinson, I forgive him, that man, that man, I forgive him.

to a book tour where Harris Faulner on Fox News set her up with a question about how dark it would be. We're supposed to be like propagandized for people to even wonder speculate where Charlie is now buried. I feel like it would be more appropriate for us to know where he was buried than for us to be in the casket. But far be it from me um to assert that definitively.

Take a listen to this Fox News moment. Talk to me about this part of the conspiracies that are out there. this disturbing part that people are trying to guess where Charlie is. Can I have one thing?

Can I have one thing? Can my children have one thing? Everything was public. We will be building the most beautiful memorial for my husband at Turning Point USA and it will be for the world to see and it will be spectacular and it will have um basically museum style for our Charlie, for my Charlie.

But can I have one thing? Can my babies have one thing where we hold it sacred? Where my husband is laid to rest? where I don't have to be worried about some secular revolutionary coming and destroying my husband's grave while my daughter is sitting there praying one thing that this is my husband yes he was Charlie Kirk to the world and I know so many people love my husband and I am grateful for that but this is my husband and I want to be able to have one thing left that is sacred to our family to my in-laws to my babies and to my parents one terrible days of our lives acting truly like totally the question set up prompted and this is the response they told her backstage make sure you keep saying my Charlie my husband he's my my Charlie and you remind them that your babies need one thing seems a little weird to me a little sus little over the top I would [snorts] just answer the question I'd say yes he was cremated or no he was not cremated because the underlying significance here is obvious there's an ongoing murder case.

And it would be extremely unusual if you did cremate him until that case was formally concluded. It would also be unusual and weird because Charlie specifically told me that he never wanted to be cremated. So that's why I'm personally interested, but we'll see. I'm sure you guys will come up with something like he radically changed his mind in the last two weeks of his life on stage in Aspen and just went full 180 and was like, not only do I want Eric to run the company, but also please cremate me if I die in 3 weeks.

Chapter 4: The 911 call. Anyway, most crucially today to get to the big part, I would like to return to the alleged 911 call that took place from Charlie's security team in route to the hospital. We've been asking this question repeatedly. Where is that call that should be publicized?

It seems everyone's making all of these uh gamma requests. Independent investigators have downloaded, listened through all of the of the calls. No one seems to be able to find this conversation. And Brian Harpole was very clear in my lawsuit.

He he lies in the lawsuit. So I I wasn't sure if we could believe this, that a 911 call did take place. And what always stood out to me was that despite providing this near playbyplay of what everyone was doing during that short ride, this is what Rick was doing. Is it?

No one wants to take credit for dialing out to emergency services, right? They wanted to make everyone a hero. Frank maybe is or is not doing CPR while no one's looking. Uh Mikey has jumped into action and he is amazing and he's dialing up the vice president making arrangements.

They everyone has like a narrative here where they're supposed to be viewed as a superhero but when it comes down call they don't want to they don't want to answer. That's weird. Something weird must have happened. Well, we may have an answer to that.

And I want to say we're just at the beginning of this. We're going to have a lot more for you. This is going to be a crazy week. I don't know what's happened since the preliminary hearing, but it seems like true heroes are actually arising and people are starting to speak out um and really to go Max.

But I'll tell you about the tip, the solid tip I would like to add. So solid that I would very much caution people not to lie on record about this very quickly. Tip that we received is that the call did in fact take place. Not only that, uh, but it lasted anywhere from 3 to 5 minutes.

So, apparently someone phones 911 and then did not engage with the 911 operator. The phone sounds as though it's dropped. It's running for approximately without the caller recognizing that it was still on. So, almost like a 911 call turned butt dial.

We'll have to get more details of how that could have occurred. But in the midst what was heard on this call and what was captured rather on this call is quote we got him. We are taking him to the hospital. Okay.

Maybe that was supposed to be to the operator. A strange thing to say now on what's your emergency? We got him and we're taking him to the hospital. Maybe it was supposed to be said.

Uh almost sounds to me almost like a status update. uh followed by chaos followed by a voice saying get out of the way followed by what sounds like high rates of like speed is coming across so the car is moving quickly but here's where it gets super interesting also allegedly allegedly not for long the statement get that off of him get that off of him is captured on this alleged 911 call. Now, get what off of him is the first thing I think. Get what off of him?

Couple of options. Okay. Charlie didn't have much on him. He had a necklace which had broken.

He had on a white freedom t-shirt. he had on a road microphone. There's an off chance that some of that 36 feet of packaging uh needed to somehow get off of him. That doesn't really make sense because Brian's pretty clear that that went into him.

So, I don't know. But I will say that if this is true, and I believe that it is, then it might go some way in terms of explaining why this 911 call was mysteriously purged from the released calls. That's what it appears to be. mysteriously purged and why the turning point team who loved to tell us what everybody was doing.

CPR being amazing generally. Brian Harpole just getting to work doing a medical as he says. Rick Cutler with the tattoo, the mean tattoo, Justin Davis doing a thousand on the freeway. Yet they're reluctant to share who specifically dialed 911.

Brian Harpell says we dialed 911. Well, if something was picked up in the audio, if they maybe thought they ended the call and it didn't and they that's what's picked up, you might imagine that the public might have some questions about what they hear. Point being is um I think we are going to be able to firmly confirm who we is. We that dial 911 in the coming weeks, maybe even this week.

Chapter 5: Erika Kirk's appearance at Make Heaven Crowded tour. Well, you guys, maybe you did not go to church yesterday, but don't worry, we're bringing church to you. Get out your Bibles. We are about to go to Pursuit Church in Washington State.

I'm ready. We've got Pastor Russell. What's he going to give us? I'm thinking I don't know about you, I'm hoping maybe we're going to maybe we're going to be in the Corinthians.

Paul's letter to the Corinthians. Let's hear what Pastor Russell has to say. Take a listen. Beware of conservativism that is void of Christ.

Beware of talking head personalities who pedal conspiracy theories to their room temperature IQ audiences in hopes of generating a few more clicks and a few more dollars for their narcissistic pseudo empires. Beware of modernday Ahabs and Jezebels who sit behind microphones in aironditioned studios running their podcasts monetizing tragedy attempting to [music] depress the people, divide the movement and stop us from building in this unprecedented era of opportunity. See, the left finds itself in the position it does today because it failed to properly address the fringe elements of their own party who now dominate their platform present day. I refuse to make the same mistake actual music.

I refuse to allow the 25 minutesconservative movement to be taken over by vitriolic Jew haters, white nationalist anti-semites, or Muslimfunded ex Fox News personalities. What Charlie started, we have the responsibility to finish. The foundation he laid, we must build upon. I mean, look, if they're applauding, I will applaud.

I just love the person who's strumming. Could you imagine that job? It's like trying to get that like I don't know that he's a guitar hero right there. Trying to get people to feel the vibes of that.

It's so cringe. It's so embarrassing. Is it a church? Can it be real?

Could he really be a pastor? Well, he's got he's relatable. Pastor Russell, I've got ripped jeans on. Look how he's dressed.

That is just so disrespectful to even dress like that. Look at this. This is one of America's favorite pastors. Look at that.

Look at that right knee. See, it's ripped. He's cool. It's relatable.

You can obviously he's a real pastor and he's he's giving people the good word. Of course, it's a turning point faith event. I'm sorry, guys. I tricked you.

Close your Bibles. You're not receiving the good word. You're going to receive a grift. I'm sorry.

I was confused. The faith grift. This is the brainwashing program that pretends it's not political and that it's faithful aimed at the youth. That's like I'm telling you that's why he's got he just I think he bought those jeans whole and just cut it.

I just feel like he cut that at the knee. Anyway, Erica spoke at this event because this is the Make Kevin Crowded tour. So, he's getting her all revved up and the audience fired up. And once again, I just generally have no idea what Erica is ever saying, what these pastors are ever saying.

And I realized this is a new language. This is Christian. People are now just speaking in circles and randomly inserting the Bible into circles. I'm tired of pretending and I was very happy to see uh Stanley Kubrick's daughter Vivian Kubri actually.

She's been amazing on X and she just took this event and was like no one knows what these people are saying. No one knows what any of this means. This is a new lang. It's Christianes.

These people speak Christianes. And Vivian Kubri laid out Erica, right? She's not interesting. She's not capable.

She's not intelligent. I'm sorry that people now have to be rude and assert it. But I have said from the beginning, this is the Camala Harris campaign and this institutional power trying to make somebody a thing who would not be where they are on the basis of a pure meritocracy. And then they launch these strong emotional arguments and people notice.

How dare you, you know, you know, Biden's suffering. Cabala is here to bring us together. How dare you uh make fun of an old man who's suffering. And you know, Cabala is here to take his place.

This was the Camala Harris camp. Nobody voted for her and she's here and they're just going to pretend she's got the IT factor. Anyway, I want you to take a listen like to what Erica says. If you are not fluent in Christianes, this may confuse you because people just keep applauding and pretending that there's something profound in what she's delivering.

She just This is It's a car crash. It's just a car crash and it's just sad because Charlie was the exact opposite. Take a listen. I have been I've always been heaven focused, but way more heaven focused now since the murder of Charlie in a way that I still cannot fully um fully explain.

But someone once told me that eternal life begins the moment that you that you truly know Christ. And it's so true because when you understand that, it changes the whole meaning of suffering. And it and it changes it in a way where you understand that that heaven now literally invades your life in the most beautiful way. And it again it's so hard to explain but I know that all of you we all have our own 29 minutescross to carry and we just will always run into a lot of grief in life.

That's just life. That's just the way it is. But sweet nothings just it's all running into each other. It's just and she's reading off of an iPad.

She's not just riing. She'll just get up there, talk, talk, talk talk, speak to people, engage. This is why she can't debate. It's why she can't do four hours on a Sean Ryan podcast because there's no substance here.

And I mean that truly. Here's another clip of this from the same speech. And she's going to get a standing ovation here. Take a listen.

It would be so easy for me to just surrender and give up. So easy. But my kids are watching me. My kids are watching me.

My co-workers are watching me. My family is watching me. Cloud of Witnesses is watching me and I will not give up and neither will you guys. Okay.

So, just to the point about your kids watching, you should be watching your kids. It's been kind of one of the broader points that we've been making. Their kids are probably watching you wondering why you weren't watching them. Um, and especially because they don't have a father.

There's no I mean, it's just none of that makes any sense. But anyways, I wanted to show you this account on Instagram which will make you chuckle because this is what it reminds me of every time I have to listen to her spew this Christian. Every time I have to listen to these pastors pretend they're saying something profound. The account holder on Instagram is Devonte West and he just mocks broadly speaking.

So this is not about Erica just this new culture of sweet nothingness Christian girl boss podcasting which just feel every Yes. Yes. Yes. And nobody really knows what they're saying.

Take a listen and a watch. And I love this thing my pastor said. " Wow. I love that.

Right. And it's within that faithfulness that you will have faith. Right. And and and and so what what [music] drives me crazy is people say, "I I want trust.

I want to be trusted. But [music] are you trustworthy? Can I trust you? [laughter] Yeah, [music] because it is through that trustworthiness that then I can I can trust you.

[music] But if you know Yeah. And people want things and they have not been the thing. It's like [laughter] how can you want to be skinny if you never been fat? Not quite.

What the freak? What the f? And so it it baffles [music] me because Mhm. You say you want food, but have you ever been hungry?

Jesus, I'm hungry right [laughter] now. I want some food. [music] Double cheeseburger. Same thing.

There's no difference happening here. He's even got the music in the background. Someone's just strumming that guitar. It's a grift.

Christian Ease needs to stop. Stop pretending it's profound. It's not. It's us just gearing toward this idiocracy.

It really is. And everyone can see through it. even if you're wearing ripped jeans, but somebody get Dvonte West at Turning Point USA faith contract because that man should be on tour. Now, I do want to tell you this.

We broke a story Chapter 6: Source says Kolvet will be in DC. Bibi flies in. recently, and you guys let me know in my ear if there's been an update, but I tweeted this earlier today. My source was pretty solid.

I will say that. I said, "I received a tip from someone in Andrew's inner circle that he along with Turning Point in-house lawyer plus the CMO, Marina Minez, are headed to the White House today. It would certainly could certainly be unrelated, but I would be remiss if I didn't mention that BB Netany and Yahoo is also slated to land into Washington DC in a couple of hours. Now, um Andrew instantly responded to this, I mean very fast, as he normally is to slap it down.

He said this. He wrote, "Lol, no, can confirm I'm not in DC. Same is true for our in-house lawyer and CMO. While we're at it, Candace claimed I was in DC on January 29th meeting with Top Brass and that I staged some elaborate pre-record with Cash Patel.

Also false. I would check your source, Candace. Oh, that's right. You don't check your sources.

So, parking aside him then trying to relitigate another situation, which he's also lying about. Um, it was very obvious to me that he's being particular by saying he's not in DC today. BBNet and Yahoo lands today and has a meeting tomorrow. So, I just broadened the question tiny bit, came right back at him.

um and said, "Thanks for the quick response. Not typical with you guys. " And then I followed up again. I don't know if you guys pulled it and asked him and to be specific like did did you guys do you have a meeting?

Crickets. It's been two and a half hours. He was really fast. And then now he's really busy or something.

Maybe somebody said he's on a flight to DC, but you know, they keep trying to pretend like our sources aren't solid. Has anybody broke more news? When we go back and we had that list of the news that we broke, the things that we have shown, pretending that we don't have solid sources everywhere, to be able to give photos of the SUV after uh Charlie was taken to the hospital, something you guys don't want to speak about, to be able uh to give the information that we have given eyewitness accounts. Uh you're pretending that we don't have solid sources is just completely crazy.

And like I said, this one's pretty solid. It's in your orbit. It's pretty solid. And I may be able to even produce a receipt tomorrow.

So, I'm just going to ask again to Andrew openly, do you have a meeting scheduled at the White House? You and and Marina Minez and Frank the in-house lawyer. And I'm actually hearing there could be some more people. I wrote, "We may have I meant to say you may have become busy, but would be great to get an updated response here.

Was or is the TPUSA team slated to meet in the White House this week, which happens to coincide with Netanyahu's trip, Marina MZ, Frank, and yourself? I'm happy to correct the record if wrong. Thanks in advance. Sorry to be a stickler on the details.

Maybe it wasn't today. You're supposed to be in DC today. Meeting tomorrow, maybe the meeting on Wednesday. It'd be great to hear back from you.

Let us know. The timing seems particular. Now, uh BB Netanyahu is saying that he is flying in for the same reason Zalinsky is flying in. when these killers come to DC, it's to dictate their terms.

BB will be probably in the situation room telling Trump who else has to die for the Empire of Ball. Um, and so it's not good. Uh, it's particular that this he's coming under the guise of Lindsey Graham's funeral, state funeral. Disgusting.

By the way, anybody trying to pretend that Lindsey Graham was not an absolute creep who was clearly blackmailed is deluding themselves. But that's not they a funeral is just the guys. Like I said, it's just the guys. And I find that timing to be particular because we know Andrew Kova is on record.

He does not like Lindsey Graham. So he's they're not going in pertaining to Lindsey Graham's funeral. Allegedly, if they're going in, like I said, I meant that publicly. I'm happy to correct the record.

I'd be careful lying. Nothing is worse than when you ask for something and then I drop the receipt. We've been doing that a lot, Andrew. You and I doing it a lot.

you just keep getting exposed as a liar. So tread carefully. You don't have to reply so quickly or you know what, you don't have to reply so angrily. Just be like, I'm not sure that's correct or just say nothing.

It's better than the audaciousness of your lies which you just keep getting trapped in. So anyway, um we are go. But I just want to say this also, guys. I have explosive stuff to report to you guys this week.

Like, bad time, Andrew, to say that our sources are bad. That you couldn't have picked a worse week for you and the homies to try to make this happen where you just keep pretending we don't have receipts because we got a lot to drop this week. It's going to be a bad It's not even a good week for you guys to go to DC. You got to be at home.

Okay. There's like going to be a fire, a figurative fire. You know, you got to be at home for the figurative fire because we are going to bring some heat this week and you're going to look like the liars that you are lie about the dumb stuff. Why are we lying about Candace and Charlie having a friendship?

Why are we lying about a meeting? Now it's weird. Now the meeting is weird. You could have just been like, "Yeah, we're meeting.

We're we're going to go that week. " Now it's awkward. " They have got to get a new spokesperson for Turning Point USA. We'll be right back after a brief break.

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Breaking My Silence After 10+ years with Turning Point USA
Artifex Memoriarum
Jul 19, 2026

Full conversation with @TheBlackLineBrief, including my reaction to the long lost Charlie clip...

Earlier today I sat down to break down my discovery of the full cut and share some thoughts on everything that’s been unfolding. This is the complete discussion.



Transcript

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The Black Line brief starts Now, [music] [music] what is up everybody? Happy Saturday. What's up, Mitchell? How you doing, man?

Dude, I'm fired up, man. I'm doing well. Happy Saturday. Thanks for having me on.

Yeah, dude. Welcome. Yeah, it was good prepping before we went live, finding some stuff that we're going to get to share for the first time here on YouTube. Um, well, welcome in everybody.

Welcome to another episode of the Black Line Brief. I'm your host, Matthew McCam. And tonight we have a very special guest, Mitchell Meech Manley, known on X, also as Artifacts memor. Meech is a Phoenix-based video producer, photographer, and independent commentator covering politics, culture, and what he sees as the broader decline of American society.

His story is unique because it isn't based on secondhand reporting. It's based on over a decade of firsthand experience. He began working with Turning Point USA as a teenager and spent nearly 13 years behind the camera alongside Charlie Kirk, helping capture campus debates, produce documentaries, and document the rise of one of the most influential conservative organizations in America. After leaving TPUSA in 2023, he pursued his passion for media and established himself as a successful music photographer.

In 2024, he returned as part of Charlie Kirk's contracted media crew, serving as one of the three primary camera operators responsible for filming campus debates, major events, and rallies, including operating a broadcast camera at five President Trump campaign rallies. Today, Meech is writing two books. The first gambling gooming and [ __ ] slop the decline of the American male explores the cultural spiritual and political forces reshaping the next generation of young men. The second is a memoir reflecting on his 13 years alongside Charlie Kirk and Turning Point USA.

In recent months, through his long form writing and commentary on X, Meech has begun speaking publicly about his experiences, offering firsthand insight into the institutions he once helped build and challenging narratives he believes deserves closer scrutiny. Please join me in welcoming Mitchell Meech Manley to the Black Line Brief.

Yeah, thank you so much for having me, Matt. I really appreciate it.

I do want to clarify, it's actually just going to be one book. The title GGG decline of the American Male is kind of the overworking title and then the subtitle is like a a memoir and then kind of just like a personal thing on what I experienced there and again kind of why I'm speaking out which yeah thank you for the introduction.

Obviously as you said I met Charlie Kirk when I was 15 years old and had the unique opportunity of having a hand in developing what became Turning Point USA and what it is today. Which is obviously part of why I'm speaking out because I don't feel as though, you know, a lot of the rhetoric that is coming from the corporate institution that is Turning Point, some of the mouthpieces that are paid to speak for them, however you want to call it, don't reflect the original values that Charlie Kirk instilled in the company and ultimately gave his life for.

So it's it's been a crazy career. I never wanted to be in this position, you know, in front of the camera. I have always been behind the camera for a reason because I didn't want to do this. But I think that in times like these are when the things that people say and then the values that they claim to uphold and believe really get put to the test because this this does feel like a very dark hour for our nation's history.

And it's in times like those when your values are put to the test. And you know, a lot of people that I have worked closely with over the years, I thought would do the right thing, would stand for truth, would ask the tough questions, even even if it was the hard thing to do, even if it cost them a job. And that's part of what's happened to me. Butagain, I'm doing this because it's right, not because I have any any ulterior motives, any financial interest in this.

It actually has impacted me financially as well. So, you know, that's just kind of an overarching view of kind of who I am, my story. But thanks again for having me on. I really do appreciate it. Yeah.

No, I'm stoked to have you here, man. Watching you and being part of some of the X spaces and listening to you tell your story from personal experience over 13 years with Charlie from the early years, right? And then you knowing a lot of these people personally and seeing what Turning Point was while Charlie was still alive, the evolution of him, especially in the last few years, like from 2023 to 2025 and then watching what they've done to TPUSA in the wake of his assassination since September 10th. I'm so glad for people like you.

We had Aubrey Leech come out and then she kind of went through the ringer, you know, and I can imagine why she's kind of been a a little bit more quiet since then. But I'm glad that there's good people that are willing to take the risk and and come out and speak the truth, you know.

No, it it has to be done, I think. And um you know, it's one of those things that if more good people were willing to stand in times like these and and speak the things that I know that they're feeling inside, then we wouldn't have the media machine attacking people such as Aubrey and potentially myself and I haven't really faced too much scrutiny yet.

I've had a couple instances of it, but it's one of those things that also for me I am aware of, I'm expectant of, right? We are in a political world. We're in a political society, so we should expect these sorts of things. But also I feel as though I'm standing on the side of truth, on the on the side of Christ, and these people aren't.

And when you do that, it's very easy. At first I kind of posted the things that I said and I was kind of worried. I was like, dang, is there anything else I have to say? Do I have anything else to add to the conversation?

And I found that the more that these people lie, the more I'm able to just kind of respond to them from the point of truth. And it sounds crazy, but the more that people lie, the easier it gets to kind of tear those lies down. And I think we're seeing that kind of take place right now. Yeah.

Yeah. And I think once you start telling a lie then you have to tell more lies to cover that lie up and then it just becomes so intricate and difficult especially with these idiots that are doing it. They slip up so much. It's great to have people that actually can speak about the real experience of being there and knowing that they're lying.

And there's people like Matthew Tuteron who also is really honing in on Tyler Boyer, who is someone you've honed in on as well. And I agree when you really look into who Tyler Boyer is, his family, Terrell Farnsworth, Arizona, LDS, the political connections that those families have in Arizona, right? He was being investigated, prosecuted, and then he got a pardon on campaign finance issues, and then now we have finance issues within turning point. And you're like oh, who was there do that? That was Tyler. And who's here? Oh, it's Tyler. I really think that as we pull on that thread, we're going to get to more of the bottom of this.

I think you're 100% right. It's why I have been applying as much pressure as I have, why his statements were the ones that made me speak out to begin with, right? I had for the last nine months, 10 months, kept my head in the sand, so to speak. Stayed off Twitter, cuzI was upset. I was frustrated. Deep down inside I knew what had happened, which I believe we've kind of begun to pull the truth and the mask off of, if you will, and reveal the truth on that, which is that this was more than likely a very deep state conspiracy potentially working with those aligned with the nation state of Israel, to silence a man who was being very openly critical of our nation's alignment with them, our nation's partnership with them.

And I think that the more that people such as Tyler Boyer run from accountability, run from basic questions, all it was for me was he put out a tweet around the time of the women's leadership summit that they just had last month, and it was a very watered down kind of, "Many weren't around at the start of turning point, and this is what it was about," and I was like Tyler yes, this is part of it, but you're missing the root, like what made Charlie Charlie. You're missing everything really. And I threw in a clip of Charlie as well. And that's again something I'm trying to do.

I'm not doing this for me. I'm doing this because I watched someone I considered a very close friend and mentor and ally get murdered in broad daylight. And the people who were right there alongside him saying we need to ask questions all the time; we have to hold the government accountable; specifically in the instance of JFK, are now doing a complete 180, and not doing that. So for me, I genuinely am coming at this from a place of of good faith, and just wanting to get to the root of it. And it seems that those who have benefited the most in the wake of Charlie's unfortunate demise are the ones also now telling us to not ask questions; to trust the government; to trust the evidence, when for years these were the same people who were calling themselves "thought criminals," who were covering the Kenosha trial backing Kyle Rittenhouse, while the media machine came after him and labeled him guilty before he even faced a jury. And I think that the parallels there are hypocritical.

And the whole time, all we see is Tyler Boyer, and turning point action pushing people to the next election, while we're not even holding this administration accountable. That's the question I have for Tyler is why would anyone my age in this generation who's watched what has just taken place, who's watched what the administration did to Charlie, and in the wake of his death, why would I ever vote Republican again? When when all they do is betray us the minute they get power. And the one person who was supposed to be the one holding them accountable. The one person who trusted them the most to get them into office. That's why we campaigned for you guys as hard as we did. That's why we went to 40 campuses together. You guys were supposed to not go to a new war. You guys were supposed to give us the truth on the Epstein files. You guys were supposed to do mass deportations. You guys were supposed to do a lot of things that in the wake of Charlie Kirk's death, you're not doing.

Well, why are you not doing that? I don't care really about the what. I am much more of a why person. I just keep asking questions. I never shut up, Matt. I will never stop asking questions. Charlie taught me to do that from 15 years old. So, I get to the why. And I think I think we're beginning to uncover a larger part of that why. And I think many people know what that why is. They're just afraid to say it out loud, because they saw what happened to Charlie. They've seen what happened to people like me. This media machine is vicious. It does not want the truth to get out there. But for us Christians, the truth will set us free. And the truth will inevitably be revealed.

And I think we are slowly getting there. And the clip that we found, you know, just a couple minutes ago when we were talking, I think, is a large part of that truth.

Yeah. And we're going to play it here in a minute.

I've said this a couple times, that Turning Point, and Real America's Voice, the Charlie Kirk show, that whole apparatus, is the new Fox News.

Well, I think that it's actually going to be much larger than that. And I think that if we look at the financial backings of it, we look at the foreign interest backing, and I brought this up yesterday when I was speaking with Constitution, Salem Media is working with Brad Parscale, who's a registered foreign agent. And what foreign country are they working for? The nation state of Israel, right? And so, as Charlie said in that clip in 2023, you can label someone as Elon Musk an anti-semite; you could label Charlie Kirk an anti-semite; you can try and kill him for what he was saying, and as we now know from Blake Neff, he had confirmed that he was in fact leaving the Israel lobby. That was going to happen. You can label me an anti-semite if you want. Your labels mean nothing to me when you work for Satan.

I stand for Christ. I know what you did to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. So these actions do not surprise me. And that's the thing I want Christians to hear is that, guys, we have to be realists with this.

We are in a spiritual war. Politics is the front that they are using to wage the spiritual war on good-hearted Christians. There are millions of Christians who are deceived, that are sitting in churches every Sunday, that push Zionism ultimately which at the end of the day worships the same death cult that crucified our Lord and Savior Jesus. And and that's why I keep saying the time for spiritual discernment is is now. We have to be thinking critically. We have to be using the very complex brains that God gave us. We cannot be letting these people who get paid to lie to us, lie and get away with it, and reshape our society. This is the hour of crisis as far as I've seen it.

I'm 27 years old, but I feel like this trial, and everything that has ensued from Charlie's assassination, the chaos is what the deep state is using to install this new world order that we now know is three and a half years out, 2030, right? Like everyone forgets that. You know, everyone was panicking about it back in 2020.

Now we're six years in, six and a half, right? And 2030 is right around the corner. You guys think that the intelligence agencies, and everyone, the World Economic Forum, all these people just stopped advancing that that because they forgot about it. No. In fact, they're very happy you forgot about it. They're also using this moment to distract you from a lot of that, and they're ushering in things under your noses that you guys don't realize is happening while you're focused on the 80 different distractions that Paramount Tactical and all the rest are feeding you. This is an information war. This is a disinformation war. We are in the middle of it. We've been in the middle of it for years. Charlie was the leading voice in that fight, and they silenced him.

And I'm not going to sit here and let them lie, and turn him in to a prop for this illegitimate establishment. I refuse to do it. I'm sorry. Yeah. And honestly, I followed Charlie for years. And I believed what he believed about Trump, right? I knew that. We all did. And him being an honest, good, man of integrity, someone to look up to, not Trump, Charlie. And that he knew JD and Trump personally, and that there's no way Charlie would have got out there and told us that we can vote for them and believe in them unless he believed it himself.

He wasn't lying to us. He truly believed that JD and Trump were going to follow through on all their promises. And I was saying this last night that if Charlie was alive, they had to do September 10th. It had to be then. Because if he was alive for Venezuela, if he was alive for no Epstein release, and if he was alive for the actual war, not just the freaking midnight hammer war, the real war, the regime change war, which he and all of his guys on Thought Crime were saying, "If they try to talk us into a regime change war, we got a problem," if Charlie would have been alive for that, and we had Candace, Megan, Tucker, Charlie, all going at the same time, like it would have been so bad. It would have been so bad for them. No, this was a warning to everyone in that circle. It was a warning to Megan Kelly. It was a warning to Jack Posobic. It was a warning to all of these people. "Stop. Look what we can do to you. You want to not get in line now that we're in power? Look what we will do to you."

And again, it goes back to what Charlie said time and time again in relation to Butler, right? Look what they want. This goes back to how he trusted them to not kowtow, and bend the knee, right? He trusted this administration to actually combat the deep state. I don't know if it's possible at this point. I truly question that. That brings me to a larger point we might get to later. And I think you see it most in the Tucker Carlson interview he did a couple weeks before he goes on the record and says how much he trusts Kash Patel, how much he trusts Pam Bondi, how much he trusts everyone to clean house, basically to give us this new country that we were promised, right? And which we're now learning was a pipe dream. To get us to this point of division and chaos that they can just usher in whatever they want without any of us noticing, right? And by then it'll be too late. By then you won't have -the same freedoms you had, you know, 10 years ago. It goes to the Tim Dylan clip that that I love, that he did a a couple months back. It is so apparent to me and and yet it is so effective at the same time because these people are legendary deceivers, right? They are demons in my opinion.

Like I said, we are in a spiritual war. And so people say all the time, to try and and and combat my viewpoint, Charlie Kirk was such an intelligent man, by attacking Erika you and those in his circle are saying that he wasn't smart enough to see their character. And I think if we look at what happened to the entire American population, we all were deceived, and Charlie himself. And if you look at history, it's very naive to think that the greatest men throughout history, the smartest men, have never been deceived, in spite of their intelligence, in spite of how effective they are. That is at the core of all historic struggles. It's betrayal and mutinies. Like just look at Julius Caesar for example. He was one of the most effective people, but they still got him. And so I think that everyone using that as a defense, again, it's a disinformation war, and I would not be doing what I'm doing if I didn't think that this moment in our nation's history is important. I think that in 1775 there was a shout heard around the world, and it led to the foundation of this nation that has been an experiment up until this point, and it still is.

It's a test, right? And there's a sense in which the intelligence agencies are always testing us. And I think that this is a litmus test in many ways for what we will tolerate as people. But in 1775 we had that, and then in 2025 we had a shot that was heard around the world, and we didn't have newspapers, we didn't need newspapers, because we have cell phones now, and so 1776, it's now 2026, 250 years later, and I think that God is giving us a time to pause and reflect. The government, and everyone who is afraid of them is saying, "China is our enemy, communism is our enemy." When Charlie Kirk was brutally executed in broad daylight, in public, three months before his death saying the imminent threat to our nation is the deep state, this apparatus that creates events of national chaos, and stages national trauma events such as Butler, to push whatever it is, this is so complex that it is difficult to tear down, and they use force to intimidate, and fear to keep people from getting to the truth. Well, Matt, fear is not from our Lord. It's not.

And that's why I'm speaking up now, because for so long I was afraid, and I finally realized fear is not from our Lord. And that this earth is temporal. And I hope that these people are having as much fun as they want here because I do genuinely think that they will be judged for their actions here in the next life. And it's just insane to me where we're at, and I truly hope that people stop focusing on the smaller issues, and truly pay attention to what part of the timeline they're in, because it does seem to be escalating very quickly to me.

There's so much I want to say about that, so I got to find a way to weave it so that I don't miss any parts. I was always drawn to the wake of World War II, right, when the OSS became the CIA, Operation Paperclip and the scientists that we brought over. But then I'm really fascinated with JFK, and what you see is the institutions and the power structures that he was running up against who I believe are responsible for his assassination are one and the same people that Charlie was running up against, the intel agencies.

And then talking about Israel, JFK was not wanting them to have a nuclear program. He was going to do inspections, and make them register as foreign agents. They weren't having that. And then obviously after he got assassinated, LBJ undid all that. Similarly, Charlie took on Israel. Not in the way that some people are making it out to be. I think that biblically, he still believed that there was some part of us as Christians that should support true Jewish people, right? Not the Likud Party, extreme neocon versions of the Israel political government, right? Because he did have an affinity for Israel, and the birthplace of Jesus, and where the Bible was, where it happened. But definitely he was asking the right questions about their involvement here, their control, and their purchasing our politicians, and getting us to sign up for foreign wars where we lose thousands and thousands of servicemen and women, where they lie to us and say that there are weapons of mass destruction in Iran, in Iraq, and there's nothing. And then he just repeats that.

Have you seen that montage of him? Like every time he said it for 30 years. And then we bomb Iran in Midnight Hammer, and they're like success! We did it!

And I want to point out something about Midnight Hammer, because it is something that people use to discredit Charlie. And it's that Charlie blindly trusted President Trump when we bombed Iran in 2020 or 2025, and destroyed their nuclear. Well, that's the thing, right? And it still exists on the White House website. I watched Charlie's stream that night. He was very much like, "This is an escalation. We didn't vote for this. Like we need to be careful. This may have been necessary, but we're going to see what happens after. We're going to trust his intelligence." And then Trump told us that they destroyed the nuclear facilities.

So until Charlie died, he was under the impression that there wasn't really a need for a war in Iran. And then if you go back a couple months prior, you see that 16-minute video that I also have on my profile, which is Charlie just laying out why we do not need another war, why we shouldn't go to war in Iran. He calls Lindsay Graham pathologically insane. And now we have people in his studio, Blake Neff, writing puff pieces on Lindsay Graham after his death. It's insane.

And that gets me to my deeper point, which I don't think anyone's talking about, which is that this feels like a managed decline of the biggest threat to the deep state by the deep state itself. I think that many of these people are operating intentionally, because their statements are so blatantly NOT in line with the statements Charlie was making right before his death that it seems like they're walking it back. And if you think about intelligence agencies, and how they operate, they're always focused on the next generation, because once your brain gets past a certain point, it's no longer malleable.

I'm very blessed to have been able to have spent my entire young adult life around Charlie Kirk. So my brain operates a little bit differently than the average American. But that's not the case for many people. And Charlie Kirk and his organization were at a point where he was going to college campuses and pulling crowds of 1,000 to 3,000 students. And that's the reason we got the administration we did. That's the reason we got the mandate that we did. And that's also why the intelligence agencies that have been so focused on propping up the same institution that began, in my opinion, after the reconstruction of Germany, and the foundation of the nation state of Israel, right around the time of the end of World War II as well. It's going to be part of my book. But that's what this is all about. This is so much NOT about the Left or the Right, or anything like that. This is a much deeper issue, a philosophical fundamental nation-breaking issue that they don't want us talking about.

And that's the reason why for the last, I don't know, at least 40 years, our nation has been controlled and subverted by these people, who don't want us talking about the exact things that I am talking about right now. And what's crazy is Jack Posobiec, Blake Neff, Andrew Kolvet, Tyler Boyer, they were on Thought Crime in July.

I posted that video. I was the one who put that up first. I played it here a month or a couple weeks ago, and that's where they call Zelinsky a [ __ ]. These are the type of people that are now labeling myself, Candace Owens, who was one of Charlie's very early friends, conspiracy theorists, for questioning our government, when again, if you look at the media matters clip I played, Charlie Kirk wasn't even the biggest voice saying these things. Elon Musk was agreeing with these things back in 2023. But now I just got censored two days ago on Twitter for saying the same thing that Charlie Kirk said two days before he died, which is that the Jews run the media.

So, wait, what happened on X? You got censored.

I put out a tweet a couple days ago, or a couple months back, that the Jews run the media, and they have enough money to put whoever they want into office. And it got struck by X as inciting violence. So how can Elon Musk three years ago agree with Charlie Kirk that Jewish groups are inciting violence against whites, but now I get on X and say the same thing that Charlie Kirk said a couple days before his death to Ben Shapiro, and now I'm getting silenced on X, and you expect me to sit here and listen to you when you tell me this lone shooter narrative? Isn't this the larger conspiracy theory, to silence voices that are speaking out?

It doesn't add up, because listen to the words I'm saying. I'm not hateful. I'm not anything. I am very much rooted in reality. I'm intellectual. I'm smart. I spent 13 years working for Charlie Kirk. So I'm not the enemy, of the state you're trying to label me as. And neither is Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens or Joe Kent. None of these people are.

That's why Joe Kent and I are talking, because this is not political anymore. They're using politics to divide us as they always have. The issue is the masks are off. The demons are out on stage, and they are here to keep their power. It is time for Christians to get involved. I'm serious. We can't do this alone. We will lose this country. It will happen. 100%.

Why don't we hop into the clip that you found?

So Elon Musk was being labeled an anti-semite. Charlie retweets him and actually talks about it on his show. Do you know what Elon had to do in order to get him to not be labeled an anti-semite anymore? Do you know what he had to do? It was the same thing that happened to Kanye West when they labeled him an anti-semite, which is he had to go meet with a very specific council of all Jewish members, and make some very private public apologies. Guess who accompanied Elon to Israel? He was given the tour. That's right. And then guess who Charlie Kirk's security called on the way to the hospital? Ben Shapiro. So you expect me to not notice these connections here, guys?You are the ones who are liars and conspiracy theorists, because the theory that you are presenting is a lie, and it's not true.

A 20-year-old male does not hate Charlie Kirk enough to go ruin him for the rest of his life like that. I'm sorry. It's just so unfathomable to me. But if you look at the threat that Charlie Kirk posed to the deep state in the way that I have just presented, and continue presenting, that is the most believable motive in my opinion. And Charlie said himself on the 10X conference with Grant Cardone that he wasn't afraid of any purple-haired jihadist leftists. He said that the people that concerned him the most were people in his inner circle. People who were close to him, people who deceived him, betrayed him, lied to him, or told him he couldn't or shouldn't do something, or wouldn't amount to anything. He said that himself. And furthermore, in Lance Twiggs's own interview, he said that Tyler Robinson never even brought up Charlie's name. Never talked about transgender ideology. It never came up. Lance Twiggs himself said that the only thing that Tyler spoke to him about was some political legislation things that were either being voted on, or not being voted on, because on the way to work, Tyler would ride in this work van with his co-workers and they would listen to some political radio show. But that he was supposedly radicalized to the degree that he planned this assassination in a week and a half, or two weeks, and pulled off the assassination of our lifetime, and then never ever brought anything up to his boyfriend who's he's living with? That just doesn't make any sense to me. Never said Charlie's name.

Well, what also doesn't make sense is that we've learned that the FBI had prior knowledge, thanks to Andrew Kovette. They sent allegedly threatening texts and Tik Toks to the FBI before the shooting happened. That's what Blake said the other night. So if that's the case, then I have questions why protective measures weren't taken, preventive measures. And if Andrew Kolvette knew that they weren't taken, why did he let Charlie go out to the tent if they had threats already? So those those two things indicate a deep state involvement to me that they're trying to get us all to ignore, and not think about, and not pay attention to. I've raised these questions publicly to almost all the people we're talking about while they're happy to publicly try and roast other people, and all I get is blocked and ignored.

I think these people overplayed their hand in a sense. It's like how are you going to take out the guy who told us all to question our government relentlessly? I don't know.

But I want to get back to your point, which is the threat aspect. If Charlie Kirk was afraid of Leftists murdering him in public, I don't think he would be going to a college campus and letting a crowd of 3,000 people come within 10 ft in front of him. I'll be honest with you, as someone who toured with him, that was my biggest fear, was somebody coming up and point blank shooting, having something concealed and just bang, because logically that's the easiest thing to do. Whenever my back was turned to the crowd and facing Charlie, I would be like, If he misses, god forbid. It's just things you think about when you're in this environment every day.

I don't think a lot of people understand the energy that Charlie brought when he was in his element on these tours, the change that he was making in young people's lives, because again, this was more than politics, this was spiritual. He was bringing people to Christ, and getting people to think critically and logically about the world, and break out from the brainwashing. His tour was called, "You're being brainwashed." And now look at what they're trying to do to us with this tour. They are trying to brainwash you. I promise you that's what's happening. On a national level, there are multiple layers to it. They are doing it in many different ways.

But if Charlie Kirk was afraid of Leftists, he wouldn't tour on college campuses the way that he did. He just wouldn't. And they would have a much tighter security apparatus if that was the case. And that wasn't the case. The guys that toured with him, the security guys, I know a lot of them. I worked very closely alongside them. And as far as I was concerned, I thought they all would take a bullet for Charlie if it came to that. Granted, the way we saw it play out, they didn't have an opportunity to. But I have questions about the measures that were taken after, and the decisions that were made, as any logical person who really cared about Charlie would.

I waited 9 months to kind of observe, and I wanted to trust that these people who came out initially and said certain things, were going to do the things that they said were going to uphold the values, and the work that this man had given his life for, the fight that we are in the middle of and on the brink of honestly losing. And I don't think many realized it, because we're in a disinformation war, and that's why I'm trying to get this message out as best I can, because I feel that time is very much of the essence.

Well, I think that's a good time to pull on that thread. So, why don't you do a brief recap of the early days when you were there, and what it was like, and how it really how started to change in about 2018, right? That's when Erika Kirk came in the picture.

I think it was later than that, dude. It was more like 2021, 2020. And it really wasn't until then. Yeah. The reshaping by all those people who got brought in much later, really. Well, Andrew Kolvette came in in 2018, but he wasn't an influential person then. That's what I'm saying. These people were brought in, and then slowly brought up into positions of influence, and then they all ended up where they are now. They were all picked by Tyler. I mean Tyler's the reason that Erika and Charlie know each other.

I should just let you take us through it.

I just want to get it out there, that manufactured crisis that Charlie had where he couldn't resolve it on his own, and had to reach out to Andrew, even though Andrew had already given Charlie his number, and Charlie was ghosting him. But then there was this crisis that happened that he couldn't resolve, and that's how Andrew came in the picture. I don't really know how he got brought in, and it all felt very suspicious to me. I'll give you my perspective of what I witnessed in 2018, is that none of these people were involved. Tyler had handpicked this girl who just graduated from TCU. Her name was Sarah. She was going to run the media side of things for Charlie, which eventually turned into what is now the media department at Turning Point, and then the Charlie Kirk show, which are now separate entities. They were kind of run interchangeably in the early days as Charlie was figuring stuff out.

But in 2020, the Charlie Kirk show was still pretty unknown. We had the election, and I was a college student, working for Charlie as an intern. I watched his email inbox get 60,000 emails in the span of two days, because Charlie and Tyler were going live four to six hours every night after Charlie had already done his daily stream and everything else. They would get back on the air, and do election coverage in the evening. And no one was doing that at the time. This was historic. And that's why we had so many people reach out to us.

And on top of that, we got a massive influx of money. People were sending us money like no tomorrow, cuz again, we're nonprofit. Charlie's doing this on his own. We're independent. We're not establishment at this point. We're very much just grassroots fighting our own fight. A lot of the people I ended up touring with are still the guys doing the show today. So it was a family. We were all in this fight together.

And from there, it started to evolve. Mikey McCoy and Pastor Rob McCoy got brought into the mix. And then, Andrew Kovette kind of gets introduced. But he wasn't around really until 2020, 2021. And by then, I was already an employee of Turning Point USA, and they had kind of begun integrating him on that side of things. But I put out a tweet the other day where, [clears throat] you know, as far back as 2021, I feel like this whole thing, Charlie's, you know, approach on the Israel issue, um, was being managed by people like Tyler and Andrew because for sure in 2021, I was the producer on a show called Debate Night with Charlie Kirk and we were trying to get guests to come debate Charlie. And if you go back to 2021, who is like one of the loudest voices begging Charlie to debate him is Nick Fuentes. So at the time Tyler had gotten in the chat and I have screenshots of it and he said we should consider trolls with big followings to debate Charlie.

And at first I you know considered I was like dude we should just you know debate Nick. I presented my case and you know Andrew Kvette was added to the chat earlier as well and you know you can look through some of the screenshots and he they weren't the ones who you know nixed it. They just said no Nick Fuentes, but it was again someone who was chosen by Tyler to be in the position he was managing Charlie's side of things. Charlie was not in the chat at all.

He had no input on who he wanted to debate. You know, it was very much managed and uh I think they ran list by him eventually, but it wasn't I I don't think they ever asked him. And at the time he didn't want to debate Nick either. " And they shut it down quickly.

But it gets to the greater point of what I think we're seeing now, right? Which is Nick Fuentes is now agreeing with these people, Jack Poic and and Ben Shapiro and you know, trust the lone shooter. These people aren't talking about the things the right way. Like we all know that these people are are being paid by another interest.

And so um you know, I think that that of all things is what's so telling here is that Charlie was the strongest force against these people and they knew it. And that's why right now we are seeing desperate measures, right? We saw that with with what happened last week or two weeks ago. I'm losing track of time at this point, but when when Jack Pobic blatantly lied to the American public and attacked, you know, justice outright.

Um, and then hundreds of people who are aligned or even not aligned with him. They get paid by the same media machine, same Zionist media machine, um, amplified those lies. And they all, uh, in my opinion, waged war on America. They declared themselves enemies of the republic.

And um that's again what I'm saying. They they don't want you to look at their actions that way. They don't want you to think about it that way. But that is what it is.

You know, we need we need to be point blank about it. We need to be direct. Uh no one is articulate anymore. It seems it seems like our national rhetoric levels have fallen to uh below sea levels.

But um you know, and that's how they lie. That's how they deceive. They use double speak. And um that's leftist behavior at the end of the day.

But what's leftism? It's it's just you hate America, right? And so that's I think at the core of what this comes down to. You hate Christ, you hate America.

And those who hate Christ and hate America killed Charlie Kirk. Um, and I don't think that that person necessarily was Tyler Robinson. And if it was, I don't think that he acted alone. And I I think that Andrew Kovvette, you know, is the first person we have to ask about that because he was in talks with the FBI before and and Charlie still ended up dead.

So I still just want to know why. And I would I would love Andrew Kovette. You can answer me whenever, but I don't think he will because he blocked me. Yeah, that's how they roll.

Um, yeah, I'm interested in how like after he got in, when did he become like part owner of the, you know, Charlie Kirk show, how did he work his way up? Well, I think that's we're going to get there eventually when we start digging into the financials of some of these shadow LLC's that these people have. Um, I I don't know. I'll be honest.

I think that uh I think that we have to look into Resolute Media which we now know has ties back to Israel uh via Clock Tower LLC. 43 minutesYeah. Which is also Havas Media Group and Salem and it's all this network, right? And um I think you know at a greater level this is all a part of the Greater Israel Project um which you know they'll call you a conspiracy theorist for saying it until it happens and then it's real, right?

Um, kind of like the same thing that's happening with the Charlie Kirk assassination theories. Um, but I digress. And you know, I think they talk about motives. What motive did uh the left have for killing Charlie Kirk?

What did the left gain from killing Charlie Kirk? Right. I don't I haven't seen any wins from the left. If anything, all I've seen is the right steamrolling us in a way that feels honestly almost tyrannical.

and uh and and because we did not vote for any of these things and when we try to hold them accountable they tell us to shut up and they threaten declaring us enemies of the state and terrorists and now they're using rhetoric such as communism to label anyone who questions things such as what happened to Charlie Kirk such as Israel's uh you know very obvious subversion of our nation and politicians um they'll label you a communist Antifa enemies of the state we saw Blake Nef doing it at Amfest um and it's It's it's it's akin to that. What they're doing to me is akin to terrorism. You are waging war on America. You guys are attacking you guys are attacking the foundational pillars of this republic and you're claiming to love the country while you do it.

That's what makes it so deceptive. That's why I'm calling this a disinformation war. And it's it didn't just begin with the death of Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk was the first victim in it.

Um [snorts] he might not have even been the first victim. There were probably plenty before him. He was just the uh he was just the most prominent and and the one who threatened them the most that they had to make a statement for all those underneath him to get in line and not ask questions. And I think that's why we've seen what we've seen with Megan Kelly.

I think that's why we've seen what we've seen with Jack Pobe. All of these people who considered themselves friends of Charlie, who called themselves friends of Charlie, half of these people who are in office because of Charlie are now going along with the deep state. If that doesn't scream how evil these people are that we are, you know, up against these forces even um that this is not politics. This is not just your average leftist.

This is not just your average communist like like this is this is Satan manifest in many ways in my opinion. And we need to say that. We need to talk about that. More churches, more Christians need to be having these conversations openly, articulately, and honestly because if we don't, we are all going to regret it.

And I hate to say that, but history shows. Just look at the bullsh revolution. Just look throughout history. Millions of us will perish if we do not start asking serious questions about the people who are treating us as if we work for them.

No, the government works for us. Yep. We elected you and if you are operating for a foreign government before your own people and you are 46 minutessimultaneously not upholding the values of that republic which we have entrusted you to defend, it is our lawful right then as citizens to do what the declaration declares. I'm sorry.

It is it is this isn't this isn't like conspiracy. This isn't me trying to incite violence. This is me articulately referencing the foundational documents of our republic. Yeah.

In a way that calls out to the king which is Christ, right? I I do not I do not, you know, bend the knee to a politician. I I serve Christ alone. Yeah.

That's what founded this country and we need to go back to that. That's why I'm saying we all should take a moment and and honestly just pray as a nation and cry out to God. Not in some national Zionist funded prayer group that the White House is putting on. No.

Like just fall on your knees and cry out to God. Yeah. And and we need to be doing that on a regular basis because these people these demons are winning the spiritual war and and millions of Christians are being deceived in real time. 47 minutesYeah.

You know, going back to what you were saying about motive Frank Turk uh said the other night, the uh the three main motives for like murder are sex, money, and power. And I'm like, uh how did Tyler get any one of those things from this? Or how did the left get any one of those things from this? Um he's just an idiot, you know?

But uh speaking about like Zionism like and how it's had this like strangle hold on us, you know, the Scoffield Bible was written by Oxford Press and was funded by the Rothschilds, bro. Yeah. Well, [laughter] and it's like all of our textbooks that we all grew up reading or uh you know, Robert Maxwell and you see the Epstein connection there, the Y connection there. And so like it's it's just it's to me it's it's deception.

It's disinformation. It's demonic. You just have to call it what it is. You have to remove the veil from your eyes.

I was blessed that it happened to me in 2020, you know, and that's why when I was still employed at Turning Point USA, I was saying a lot of the things I am now openly. I was like, hey, this, you know, asking the tough questions that a good person asks. And I think I was sidelined because of that. It's what part of why I left Turning Point.

You were ahead. You were ahead of the curve. I didn't find out until 2025 when I started really researching the Scoffield Bible, you know, dark. And that's and that's like another thing getting to the deception of what has happened.

It's very evil, right? like Erica Kirk took the stage and she said evil has shown its face. And I think that she was true. I just think that she was the evil that she was talking about there.

And I think that, you know, we know that that they demons, demonic warfare, spiritual war, they have to reveal their hand. They always do. They reveal the method. They do.

And so I think that in that statement, you know, it was almost like a projection of of her ilk. And um I think if we look at her actions, you know, like we just have there's nothing that you can really say to defend that. And um you know, a a Christian forgiving her husband's murderer. I struggle to understand.

And then you simultaneously couple that with how much she demands people stop asking questions. She doesn't want people to, you know, investigate. It just it just doesn't add up with with the natural Christian response in my opinion. Um, and you can say you grieve differently, but again, you're not living up to the initial things you said at the beginning, which was that you need a space for people to go.

Um, and and you know, ask questions. What would Charlie think about this issue X, Y, and Z? " And so it's blatant double speak. These people are acting like leftists.

But again, leftists has been a term that the institution has used for the last 20 to 30 years in this disinformation war to keep us at odds with ourselves instead of getting to the root of the issue, which is the real evil. Um that Erica Kirk, I believe, is is aligned with and um and and and it it gets to the deception aspect, which is like they thought they they they claimed that they launched a revival, right? And and and they did. They got millions of people woken up to what's happening.

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But in the aftermath now, the intelligence agencies very very tactfully are trying to walk us back into the 2008 2012 era of right versus left. If you don't like this this brazen display of patriotism, which the UFC fight, for example, then you hate this country, then you're anti-American. No, actually, I like events like that. I would love to have two things.

I don't see why it has to be one way or the other. Why can't we have a UFC fight and also not go to war in the Middle East? Why can't we have a UFC fight and have homes be more affordable for people my generation? Why can't we have a UFC fight and also get truth on the Epstein files?

It is not this one side or the other like fight that you're trying to get us into. All right? Like it's it's so much deeper than that. And that's why we're seeing what we're seeing.

If evil showed its face, then you didn't do anything to combat that evil. This is what I keep going back to. If the left killed Charlie Kirk, the administration had a mandate to to go doortodoor practically arresting every leftist and investigating them for their connection with potential terror organizations, right? Because they labeled Antifa a terrorist group.

You could go through every person who's liked a pro- Antifa tweet on Twitter and have these people arrested potentially. They did none of that. And so that's my thing is you say one thing and do another. Whether you're Erica Kirk or the administration, you say that the left killed Charlie Kirk, but then you took zero action to dismantle the left.

You're you're trying to rile us up for the next election to fight the left when you guys are the ones in power. You have all the power. We gave you the power to do those things. In fact, the man who was fighting the fight louder than you all was murdered.

We all would have loved to see you go full fascist and you didn't. So, it's it's it it doesn't make sense to the brain when you logically speak about it, when you don't get worked up, when you don't let these people throw falsehoods your way, and when you don't listen to the labels they try and put on you because it's all it's all not true. It's all a lie. And just tand on the side of Christ, and the truth will be revealed.

What's interesting, too, you made such a good point. So, like you think about like they brought back the World's Fair this year. We had the UFC fight on the lawn where it's like patriotism, you know, on steroids, right? And it's like, well, and simultaneously they're staging assassinations, right?

Right. Right. Those two go hand in hand. You if you criticize the the the massive excessive expensive display of patriotism, then you must be in the camp of these people who are trying to kill the president, which I don't think are even necessarily real events.

Because if we look at Donald Trump, I think he's trying to go down in history as the man who survived the most assassination attempts and and we know that all the world's a stage and that Donald Trump himself spent years in the WWE. And you know, to think that these people are not actors is naive. You have to do that. The amount of money that politics is a bigger Hollywood except it has real world implications.

Yeah. Right. Erica Kirk is an actress. Like I know this this is this is fact.

Um the all of these people are failed TV TV TV TV sto show people, failed radio show people. They end up in politics because naive people who can't think critically think that these people who tell them one thing are living for them and advocating for them when in reality they're all just profiting off the lies and the crap that they're feeding these people. And uh it needs to end. And and I'm going to I I truly have made it my life's mission to to expose this fraud, these liars, these deceivers, these demons for what they are because it is it is deceptive.

It is it is evil. And that is not what Christ tells us to do. Yeah. And I was um I think it's interesting that instead of doing the things to actually restore our country to a better time and a better place where it could actually, you know, um be genuinely what we want it to be.

They're giving us these like coliseum games, right? They're it's just a show, right? Like this patriotism on steroids is just a smoke screen that we actually are like uh making the country better. They're not doing any and it's pissing off people that are, you know, on the other side or some people, maybe not all, but like it's like rubbing it in their face.

It's also making people that aren't thinking clearly that like, oh look, we are making changes. America is, you know, the greatest country in the world and we are going to make it all better. But it's really they're not they're not doing anything. It's not making any significant change of any kind.

And it's also a distraction from all the things that we want them to do. They're like, "No, no, no. Stop talking. Stop asking question.

Look at look at all the look at all the planes flying over. " You know, just eat your bread and drink your wine and just go to the next game. Yeah. And like I want to say this too.

I am like a as patriotic as it comes, right? I love my nation. I love my country. I would give my life for it.

But I think that it's these these things are being used as tools, right? The trial as well. And um it's it ultimately goes back to and we can move over to this way if you want the clip that that Elon responded to the the anti-semitism bit, right? It it gets to you cannot point out the greater evil that is at play in our country.

And I I I don't want people to label me, you know, a Russian asset, which is why I said what I said at the beginning of this, right? But if you go look at some of the rhetoric that comes out from Vladimir Putin or other people in regards to Western democracy and who actually controls those institutions, y it kind of makes sense then why our federal government and intel agencies would work to now if you see online label Russia and China and all of these people um the greatest threat to democracy in America when 5 months before his death, three months before his death, Charlie Kirk was laying it out plainly like no plainly, no it's not the intelligence agencies, it's not uh or it's not, you know, China or Russia. It's actually the intelligence agencies that are our greatest threat. And so it it's textbook, you know, textbook disinformation, textbook double speak.

And right now is the time for people to think about what this is worth to them, you know, are do you want to continue watching your UFC fight and gambling for the rest of your life? or do you want to live life the way that God intended that is that is free and and and in a nation that he entrusted us 250 years ago you know if we if we can keep it right it's up to us it's not up to no one's coming to save us you know and that's that's kind of why I'm saying what I'm saying now because it's now or never and and you know for 13 years I I had a hand in in producing content that I thought would eventually go on to help make a change and save this nation And I think it did up to a point and then it became too dangerous. And now it's being weaponized to suppress free thought, to suppress questions. And ultimately, as Charlie Kirk himself said, um, questions are the most dangerous thing to an illegitimate regime.

Right. And again, I just want to state this for the record, too, like anytime we would go to a campus, Charlie Kirk's thing was disagreements come to the front of the line. Yeah. And I don't think we've seen that principle lived out by a single person in that organization since his death.

No. Did you know so um well at least for Erica Kirk too on her Bible 365 uh podcast that she does once a month. She did it yesterday with James Kadis who's a Zionist who actually has best friends with a general and a major in the IDF. He's also the one that has the connection to BB Netanyahu's brother and Victor Marx.

Um it's insane. But so one big happy family, isn't it? It's nuts, right? Maybe that's the turning point family she was talking about in that interview.

Maybe that's the one because because she definitely doesn't treat people like me as family even though, you know, I was there before she ever was. So I I don't know, man. It's weird. Yeah, that she had her which is crazy.

There's so many times we're saying things like I want to hit two things at once. At her uh what was it when she was at CLS? Was it her CLS speech when she was like I was there from the beginning. I watched the blood, sweat, and tears.

Oh yeah, that that's why I quote tweeted and it went viral. I was like, "You didn't build anything. " Um, yeah. No, you can.

You can't. She's a revisionist, bro. Just like all of them are. They're literally trying to rewrite history.

It's it's what happened after World War II, and it's what's happening right now. And I refuse to let them do it to a man that I worked very closely with. And And again, I I had nothing to gain from Charlie Kirk. I believed in him because of who he was and the kind of man that he was and the vision that he had for this country.

I worked very closely with him for my entire young adult life. Um, and I'm I was not put in a position of government. I was not brought into the administration. I was not brought into their fold, right?

And there's a reason for that. Uh, it's because people like me and Charlie are threatening to the regime. And they used Charlie, they used his his brilliance and his intelligence to get them elected because they knew without him, they wouldn't be able to. 59 minutesAnd and then the moment that they knew he would threaten what they actually wanted to do to this country and to us, they betrayed him and they executed him.

And they in the process they warned all of his friends, you better not get out of line. Yeah. And I think to put it as plainly as that for your viewers, especially on YouTube and stuff, like it needs to be heard, you know, that that is that is what happened. And and until Tyler Robinson, you know, until there's that that's what happened and and we need to say that and that needs to be the leading narrative because historically speaking, the lone shooter always gets proven to be some fed slop and and and there's always a a a deeper narrative.

And that's what Charlie Kirk himself died asking the questions of. He he was not he did not die giving a campaign speech. He did not die, you know, trying to get someone elected. So So to say that Charlie Kirk would forever just want Republicans to be elected is a lie.

Like no, that's not the core of who he was. Charlie Kirk was the man who went to a college campus to engage the youth and said, "Disagreements, come to the front of the line. Let's hash this out. " And what are the implications of that?

He was about to get there and they didn't let him. Yep. And and and and we'll see where this goes. But um I I I'm not gonna let it happen.

I refuse to. Yeah. And like so if you just look at any of the events that they've had since Charlie's assassination, they make sure to have like their own, you know, pre-written questioners that ask the questions and then they take they pull the mic, right? Like they did at the Andrew Kulvit JD Vance thing.

Erica Kirk on her show, they have the uh super chats turned off. It's a live. You can watch live. Super chat's turned off.

You know why? You can't you can't control who asks so questions. Well, she's made enough money. She doesn't need super chats.

I'll tell you that much. Yeah. But it is interesting. I think that people that are motivated by money that do want money.

" Exactly. That's what these people care about more is controlling the narrative and uh the truth, which shows you that they don't stand for truth. Right. Again, it's they say one thing, they do another.

Actions speak a whole lot louder than words. And uh people seem to have forgotten that. And um you know just because someone like Gary Melton who has thousands of followers on Twitter who never once cared about Charlie Kirk before he died gets on there and tries to act like an expert on things. Great.

Why? You have to go to the root of these. Get don't get caught up in the distraction. Go to the magician and go and figure out what the trick being played actually is.

Don't don't don't focus on what's happening. Go to the magician himself and figure out what's happening. Yeah. He didn't believe in the 30 odd.

Like he he has his own fraud, dude. He's these these people are all frauds. They're they're all phonies. And the problem is they're all propped up by one another.

So it looks like society supports them when in reality, if there were more people talking as articulately and plainly and calmly, quite frankly, as I am about these issues and not getting into spaces and just shouting them down, um we would probably not see what we're seeing right now. But unfortunately, you know, I hope this video doesn't get suppressed. I hope people clip it and and and send it and, you know, post it under these people because it's the truth. It's it's these people are frauds.

They're liars. You're demons. And uh Christ is king and and none of you stand for truth based on the way you're acting. It's just you can say you do.

That's great. Prove it. You know, it's it's much harder to prove that you stand for something. Um and everyone who claims to stand for Charlie Kirks, you're not.

Um I actually am. And you can fact check me on that all you want, but like you are not waging war on the deep state. You're not talking about the deep state because you're all scared and you all know the truth that Charlie was about to unmask because we all know the truth. Because it's the truth.

That's how the truth works. You don't need evidence when it's the truth because it's the truth. And I think we all know the truth of what is going on. People are just too afraid to speak up and do something about it.

If I have to be the first person to kind of say something, I will. All right. I lost my job two weeks into speaking out because of this stuff. I'm not in the best place financially, but it's worth it.

it. This is because again, if we lose first principles, if we lose this country, then a job doesn't matter. I I can't sit in an office and cut a video my entire life knowing that this country is being stolen under Christians noses. I can't do it.

I can't in good faith sit by and do that. So, that is my motivation. Again, I just want to make that clear for your viewers like I'm not I'm not in this for anything but that truly like that that is my why. That is my drive.

Um, Charlie gave it to me and I watched them take that from him and uh and if I again I'm going to I'm going to do what they say they're doing, carry on his legacy, but I feel like I'm actually doing it better. Not to not toot my own horn, but but again I just I keep posting videos of him because that's what this is about for me. Yeah. Um, and going back to that, like who do you think I mean what is your what is your overall um theory opinion as to who really is behind it and you know from the very top down to all the way whoever had proximity to him um you know an opportunity Terrell Farnsworth maybe had to be involved to some degree right with depending on what you think about the motive um death was.

Yeah, I think it starts with your motive. I think it starts with what you believe the motive was. Um, and then from there you look at who benefited the most, right? And from there I think we can see that Israel and Turning Point USA and its associates have benefited the most, right?

And the administration, those three those three people, the left has not benefited the most. So that's why I say that the left is is is a conspiracy like that the left killed Charlie Kirk is a conspiracy theory. It's not true. The left didn't kill Charlie Kirk is a conspiracy theory because of everything I've just laid out for the last hour.

Yep. So, as far as what I truly think happened, I don't know. And and and and I don't particularly care because I don't think it matters too much. What I think does matter is noticing what has happened and everyone who's benefited and calling that out headon.

And then from there, I think as we've seen with people like Blake Nef, the more that we pressure these people, the more we're going to get to the truth, the more we know we the more we know that now Andrew Kovette was in talks with the FBI beforehand, right? And so, again, we just got to keep asking the questions, who didn't do their job that day and why. Once we figure that out, we'll get to a deeper question. Okay, who were they working for?

Why were they working for them? What's the deeper? Right? Again, just keep asking questions.

When you get an answer, ask another one. And don't let them distract you. Don't let them label you anything. You are a patriotic American for doing that.

You're not an enemy of the state. You're not you're not a terrorist. You're not working for a foreign government because you want to know what happened to Charlie Kirk when you notice four people benefiting the boast are the same people telling you to shut up. That's that's not anti-American.

That's very patriotic. It's very revolutionary, actually. Yeah. Um, and so again, to answer your question, I don't know.

I look at Turning Point USA, who's made billions of dollars in the wake of his death. I look at Andrew Kovette and Blake Nef who are, you know, inheriting his platform, but I don't even view what they're doing at this point as personal gain. I view it as as an intentional uh destruction of of of the largest weapon against the deep state. And I think that that it is managed decline.

That's why I put out the tweet today, calculated destruction, because these these statements are so blatantly false and so blatantly against what Charlie used to used to stand for. They are trying to get this past our generation. So then in the next generation, they will have control of the next generation. And that's the point I was trying to make earlier.

Charlie was the the weapon that they have now got and and they will brainwash your children forever. If they don't do it in the schools, they'll they'll now use Turning Point to do it, right? And that was supposed to be the opposite. It was supposed to be you're being brainwashed to come to Turning Point.

Yes. [clears throat] Now, well, now it's it's like the opposite. Turning Point is propping up the establishment. It just seems like uh I don't even know what it is.

It it the Bolsheviks. I don't know. Like it's it's weird. And um and I think we need to be talking about that because if we don't, history shows that things might happen.

And um you know, as far as who's involved, I think that there's potentially a theory that you know, I've heard that maybe they were trying to fake the assassination, but again, I don't see that being in the nature of Charlie's character. You know, Charlie was the type of man who was willing to walk into the arena and take in people head-on. And so maybe there is a thread that he was aware of the threats and walked in willingly, right? And and maybe, you know, he always said he would die young and and that his death would spark Yeah.

a movement. But I think that again it goes back to what movement and and his movement was not just to, you know, indefinitely elect Republicans. His his his movement was to fundamentally reshape America for America and in the way that Christ uh wants us to. Not not bombing school girls in the Middle East, not protecting Jeffy Epie in his list, right?

And uh I think that that is that is the core of it. And so I I again because I know a lot of these people personally, I don't really like to get into the who done it because I don't I don't really care because for me it also kind of breaks my heart like to to see that none of these people who I trusted and and spent a lot of time with, traveled the country with, slept in hotel rooms with even like are having 8 minutesthe courage to do what I am now. And uh that makes me ask a deeper question as to you know how evil this evil is that we're facing because I know everyone's not a bad person. I'm not I'm not I'm not accusing everyone in Turning Point USA of being a bad person.

I know that there are good-hearted people there just like me who believe in truth, who are Christian, who loved Charlie. That's why I'm doing what I'm doing because it breaks my brain why I haven't seen more of them asking these questions. So then I ask why, right? I don't care.

I It breaks my heart. It frustrates me. But then I go, why? What is the evil we are up against?

How evil is it? And and do people even comprehend that? Right? And that's where I feel like the angle I'm coming at this from is very unique.

I think that's why I've had a little bit of success here in in a month or so. So, yeah. I don't know, man. It's it's it's a lot.

And it's especially for me, it's been a lot to process. I've been I've been working very hard to try and keep myself grounded in reality. Yeah. I'm definitely trying to hone in on it, too.

like the the why the either they're this evil and a lot of people are involved and it's just like literally I was talking about it with my wife the other day like they're the most evil and it's just so freaking dark or um I don't know like they're being threatened, they're being bribed, they're being blackmailed, they're afraid for their own life. Um it's it's really hard to to find out right now. But I agree that as long as we keep asking questions, and that's what Charlie Kirk said, too. You just got to keep asking questions.

It's the only thing that keeps you free. Um uh that we can hopefully, you know, I I said this like a couple months ago. I'm going to be so pissed if we make it to um 910 2026 and we don't know anything really more than we did, you know, and okay, we won't. I mean, again, you're you're expecting the same people who pulled this off to investigate.

It's never happen. We're never going to we're never going to get a public uh government um admission just like we still don't have one for JFK then. And Charlie was pushing for that too. He's like released the files, right, about JFK.

Posted that video of him like eight 80 times now where it's just who benefited. People know about Charlie like we know about JFK. It's like we we we know it wasn't Lee Harvey Oswald. We know Israel's involved.

We know there was more than one shooting. It wasn't from the you know book depository. there was like probably but we didn't find that out until 60 years later. And that's kind of the point I'm bringing up is is when people get on Twitter and they say it's been 200 days since Charlie Kirk's assassination and and we've gotten no new evidence.

It's like, bro, it took 60 years for us to get the truth on JFK. So, forgive me for applying a little pressure 250 days out of the largest and most public execution our nation has ever witnessed. I'm sorry. This is way more public.

That's again double speak. It is not insane to ask questions less than a year out of an event when it took 60 years for our nation to give us the truth on JFK. And even then, they redacted half of it. So, I don't care.

Like, it's a lie. It's double speak. It's very easy to speak like to to tear down when you don't get caught up in in their distraction. I don't know.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. One of the other things that I was asking myself is uh not only who had the most to gain uh with Charlie dying, who had the most to lose if he stayed alive?

It's the same people who are benefiting right now and to the interesting. Yeah. And so I think that there's multiple um I don't want to say this like streams of interests that you can trace, right? Like the Israel lobby is one, the deep state's another, Turning Point corporate's another.

And I think that to think that all three were not working together is again naive now that we know that Andrew Kovvet and the FBI were working together and Turning Point USA basically put the Trump administration into office. So, you know, that's a naive belief to have to begin with, but they were also the three that had the most to lose because I think Charlie would realize that these people were not who they told him they were. And we're all realizing that in real time. And they're they're they are now labeling anyone who calls them out on it an enemy of the state, a terrorist.

That is that is textbook dictatorship, you know, authoritarian regime, authoritarian rhetoric, right? And so, I it's it's a tragedy. Not only was Charlie betrayed, the average American who put these people in the office was. And um again, I go back to what Charlie said.

What they did to Trump in Butler was what they want to do to you. What they did to Charlie is what they will what they will ultimately do to you if they have the chance. The problem is is Charlie trusted that Trump was on our side and that these people were on our side. And I don't know whether they got bought out.

I don't know whether they were all evil from the beginning. Quite frankly, it doesn't matter. They did not do the right thing in the hour of crisis. And they continue not to.

And they continue to bow to not Christ, not Americans. They continue to bow to the synagogue of Satan. And uh we just need to call it as it is. 100%.

I want to play the video. Um and we're going to continue, but I need to get through a couple super chats before it piles up too far and then we're like way too far behind. Do you think? All right, we have uh Chaz Marine or Maren.

Uh Jesus Christ is the only way, only truth, and the only way to heaven. Christ is king. I agree 100%. Thank you for your donation.

taste. I agree. Uh whimsis isms. Although Charlie suffered the worst fate, uh it wasn't just about him, also about destroying the organizational structure that could move as one unit.

Yeah. Yep. Uh thank you Matt Bell for becoming a member. Um quick gaslighting us.

I like that handle. Uh this is what it sounds like when people are telling the truth. Uh God has got this. Thank you for your bravery, Matt.

Thank you for your bravery and or sorry, thank you for all you do, Crisis King. Thank you, man. Um, we got Sunshine77. They are using religion as the Trojan horse.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like they're definitely hijacking our faith and spirituality. They are not the the Judeo-Christian.

And this is what I'm writing about in my book, guys. This goes back far. This is like Protestant Revolution, like like Protestant Reformation. Um, in my opinion, like a satanic deception of Christianity that has resulted in what we're seeing now, right?

You can kind of trace that. So, I agree completely. Have you heard of Jay Dyer? Do you know who Jay Dyer?

Oh, yeah. I do. Yeah. He's actually part of the reason that like got me on this thread to begin with.

Good. I did you see his most recent episode with Tucker? No, I didn't know he did one with Tucker. That's awesome.

Last week. You got to go watch it. That's really cool. I love J.

Yeah, I'm wearing like an Orthodox shirt now. He's like He's like part of the reason that got me on orthodoxy and and all that. So, yeah. Yeah.

Uh, wait, I missed one. Uh, this guy got to get on more podcasts. Well, he's starting his own. He's starting his own potentially.

I'm trying, dude. I just I made the YouTube channel yesterday. I did Stu Peters a couple days ago. Go check that out.

Um, Constitution yesterday. Send this to people so they can see the things I'm saying. So, a they know I'm not crazy. They know I'm not a blatant, you know, anti-semite and I'm actually just trying to save this country like anyone else should be.

Yeah. And um I'll talk more with you too off camera about developing your show if you want to do that and because we need more people like you and myself out here um doing this. So and yeah, anyone that wants to clip this show in context to combat whatever those crazy or out of context, I'll tear it down. I don't care.

Lie on my name. I mean that's true. Then you truth over here. You just right back at him.

Um okay, I did that one. We got a couple more. We got uh Winnie PDX. Uh do we have any insight on Charlie's parents?

Do they definitely do they buy the Fed slop narrative? Uh, I actually have a perspect I don't know them. I've never met them. Um, allegedly potentially Charlie's dad was involved in the creation of the Trump Tower.

I don't know. It hasn't been fact checked. I've heard one thing. Someone fact checked me the other day.

So, I don't know whether that's true or not. There's a potential that that is. What I think is interesting though is if we think that all of these people are federal agents and or actors or whatever and we've looked at what's happened in the trial, the senior director of development for Turning Point USA, Stacy Sheridan, was managing Charlie's parents. So why is the director of fundraising donors at Turning Point managing Charlie's parents at the trial?

That just seems shouldn't she be doing her job as director? um why are donors also in that same week reaching out to me giving me, you know, Jewish mystic texts that they saw in the same building where Charlie Studio is? You know, it's there's just questions I have there. And and then I think it's interesting as well that Erica Kirk is now speaking on behalf of his biological family.

Um that that to me speaks volumes. I don't know if they do or not. I don't know if they're even allowed to let us know whether they do or not. Again, I don't we can't we cannot comprehend the levels of evil we're dealing with.

Look at what they did to Charlie. Uh to think that they wouldn't force someone's parents to just shut up, I think is is pretty naive. Y and they and they have the power to do it, you know, like they they do. And look at what they did to their son.

I'm just to to say it that bluntly, it's hard to hear, but like these people want to kill us all. 2030 is a great reset for a reason. Ask yourself this question. The three times that I've seen Charlie's parents since the assassination, right?

Tarmac. Okay. On the tarmac, who was closer to the parents, Stacy or Erica? Stacy.

The White House when he was when Erica's receiving the Medal of Freedom, who was closer to the parents, Stacy or Erica? Stacy was. And then And then at the courthouse, who was there escorting um them in? Stacy.

And I don't It felt like Stacy was almost like put in the company to manage and handle Charlie, kind of baby Charlie. I don't know. It like when she entered a room, dude, like the air left the room. I I kid you not.

I was like, you don't, you know, talk to Stacy. You don't ask what she does. Like it was very much don't ask, don't tell. Like it was it was weird, right?

And and I noticed that from the from the onset. And so that's where I go back to like this was not something that just happened overnight. This was not something that just took place in 2025. This didn't happen after we got the president elected.

This was I I think that they identified Charlie as an asset and they used him to get what they wanted and then the minute they realized he would be a threat. Yes. They also are using him to further that end goal. Yeah.

It it's that simple. Yeah. You just have to you just have to take a step back, look through history, not remove yourself from history, put yourself in the history book and realize that we will be reading about this one day. It's up to us to define who writes that truth.

Who defines what happened here? It's up to us to define that. We And and I waited for 10 months to see if anyone else was going to come out and no one did. And so I I I I did like people in this proximity, right?

And so um you know, it truly is up to us to rewrite the narrative, to speak truth to power, to not let demons lie on an innocent Christian man's name who isn't even here to correct it. Yeah. I mean like they would allow him to be around as long as he was benefiting them. But the moment that he posed any kind of significant risk to them and their future plans, he actually became more beneficial to them debt because they could make him say whatever they want now.

And he became a martyr against the left. Yeah. And they could conveniently ignore, you know, the deep state and and everything that Charlie was basically sounding the alarm on. Yeah.

in the last 6 to 12 months before his death, even as far back as 2023. Um, and it's just so apparently obvious to me what's happening because I was there for so long. I felt a lot of this taking shape early. I didn't know what it was back then.

And then in hindsight, it's like, wow, I I should have just because again, I've said this multiple times, too, that they worked to build a a culture in which as an employee, regardless of how long you've known Charlie, going to talk to him would be seen as an act of subversion. Again, kind of kind of kind of like what they're trying to get the country to believe now, right? Asking questions is is anti-American. If I was to go to Charlie and raise anything, it would be anti- turning point.

It would be, you know, all hell would break loose. And this is a guy I met when I was 15 who was 18. Like, like we were kids. Wait, so they were like significantly isolating him from people within the Yes.

Top to bottom to go through other people. You Yes. That Tyler Boyer had put there himself, dude. That's what I'm saying.

It was hand. It was it was he was managed like an asset from top to bottom. Directors, managers, they all were approved by Tyler Berer. I watched people I was friends with, Matt, who I would be sending Nick Fuentes clips to.

We'd be talking about the JQ, all this kind of stuff get brought up as a manager overnight. Flip like a light switch. Just corporate turning point rhetoric. Nope.

We got And I was like, who are you? We were friends. like like what what happened to you people like and and like that in and of itself was just weird and you know that's a small instance of it but yes like like literally the access to Charlie was heavily filtered heavily filtered through Andrew Kovette Tyler Marina Mus um other people that were put in positions of of directors and that's also where you know Charlie spoke at length about work ethic and how much work ethic meant and I'm someone who prides myself on my work ethic quite frankly I I spent so much time around Charlie. How could you not?

Yeah. Um and then I sat there, you know, for years as a young person and I watched as Tyler brought in people with awful work ethics. Um and were elevated to positions of influence, directors, managers, and I was sitting there as someone who, you know, as long as I'd been there, just kind of did the right thing for the sake of the movement, for the sake of the mission, for Charlie, whatever. And I obviously didn't see the results I I was looking for.

I never got a chance to kind of make an impact in the way I wanted to. I made a documentary on the FBI, funny enough, where I interviewed an FBI agent who said that if you don't think the FBI is already monitoring Charlie Kirk or even people like yourself, uh this is in 2022, then you're not listening to anything I'm saying. Right? So, I was aware of this long time ago.

I I felt it. I knew what was going. I just didn't know how big it was going to be and and the connections, right? But Marina's the one who didn't let my video go on YouTube uh because they were afraid of it being demonetized, right?

And so then it's like you don't actually care for the truth. You just you just, you know, care for money, whatever else. Um but yes, all these people were were installed slowly over time over the years uh by Tyler. And I've said it before, I'll say it again.

You're on both sides. Turning point USA, Turning Point Action, your career is made or broken by Tyler Boyer, your relationship with him. Um and [clears throat] I think that the financial aspect of Turning Point USA is coupled with that. There were a lot of people, dude, that they would just create, they would go director and then if they had someone they wanted to make a director, they would just create senior directors.

And so now they had like two people getting director salaries. Like, and it's just that's the kind of stuff I'm talking about. And I think that Charlie, who was so isolated from the company he built that had become managed by people that Tyler himself put there, started to kind of catch on to that after the election. I think that during the election, you know, he was prioritizing saving the West and and putting people that he thought he could trust into positions of power to take the action that he himself thought was necessary to save this country.

And then after the election, he was like, "Okay, all right. Let me let me look at what's actually going on. " Like, and he didn't get a chance to do that. Now, it doesn't matter because they've made billions since his death.

But but you know I think before he was starting to get onto that and I think that again you ask who had the most to lose. It's Tyler Ber and everyone that he had installed in a position of management that that was not put in place to be effective and to advocate Turning Point USA effectively. Rather it was put in place to manage uh it and I think we've seen that now. Yeah.

Um yeah, he was about meritocracy. Like that was one of the things like it's about like um it's not about what race, gender, you know, nationality, what whatever you are. It's about like you earning your way to the top and or to wherever you are, right? Just earning your place just on merit, right?

Um and you look at and so Matthew Tuteroni said the same thing about Tyler Ber and the people that he brought in as well. Um they weren't people that earned their way to the top by working hard. They earned their way by being people that could be controlled by them. Loyalists.

Yeah. Blind loyalists. Um if you didn't ask questions, you were elevated. If you're like me, if you're like Aubrey, if you're like Matt, if you are like Charlie, quite frankly, if you question things, um they don't advance you.

And it's funny because you talk about delivering results. In spite of that video I made not going on FBI, it ran to half a million views in seven days on Rumble. It's still Turning Point USA's most watched view most watched video on Rumble. If you go check it right now, sorted by views.

What is it called? Uh it's called FBI whistleblower the enemy within. Go to the Rumble and search it like change it to most viewed. My video should pop right up unless they've taken it down.

But it also went on to win a gold telly award uh that year, 2023 for documentary. And at the time I was 20 23 years old I think and you know was a producer I think and I I went in around the time that they were doing reviews and raises and I was like hey guys here's some results I delivered. Can I get a reasonable salary for a producer now? because at the time it was about 20 grand below.

Again, again, I'm a young person. It's a grassroots organization. I'm sacrificing a lot in spite of this because I believe in these people. I trust them.

Whatever. I just delivered an award-winning documentary that that racked half a million views in a week. Can I get the rate of a salary for a producer in Arizona, the average rate? I wasn't asking for anything insane, right?

I was asking for the base salary rate of a producer in Arizona. And they laughed me out of the office. And at that point, I was just like, "All right, cool. I I kind of see what's going on here.

At that point, we had had a new director brought in to productions specifically who has a very sketchy background. He spent years in Europe running drugs and you know was very open about that and then you know he comes to Turning Point and now in hindsight I'm like cool. So did you like make a deal with the feds and like are you now being used like again it's just the questions I have right because you know there's been videos of him talking to Chinese state media as well. So it's just like is he still there?

Yeah. Yeah. His name is Marcus Wada. He's uh he's the director of the new documentary that's coming out um that's produced by Turning Point USA Productions and a bunch of people I used to work with.

Terrell Farnsworth is also on the credits list. What is it about? It's a documentary on Charlie's life. But if I was to bet they're gonna Oh, that one.

I bet I bet they're going to wait until to release until after the verdict. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah.

I want to know I want to know where uh all the footage from the cameramen that day that aren't VI guys that are Turning Point uh USA Productions camera ops. uh the front left and the back left. I want to know where their footage is and why we haven't seen it yet. I want to see it all.

I want it to be played in court. If it's not, that indicates a deep state cover up in my opinion. Dude, I so I've gone back and looked at um all of the campus events from 25 from the spring um you know uh campus tours and then like 24 the front left camera the and the back left camera on that day because sometimes it's on the other side. It depends on the setup of the campus.

Obviously, you know that, right? But um those two right there I think would give us way more answers than Dude, and I said this the other night. I I I talked to the girl who was on the camera, the one in front, right? I talked to her the week of cuz again, nine days after was when Candace was already coming out questioning things, very much in her nature.

I knew that's what she was going to do. When Charlie died, I knew what was going to happen. I was like, they're going to use this to label Candace a crackpot anti-semite and then they're going to roll out crackdowns on speech cuz that's where Charlie was going. And uh I think they are and we see that happening right now.

And so you know I was already afraid of that happening but at the same time I was also very skeptical you know wanted to kind of trust things at least initially as we all do right as as we all do. Yeah. So you know the week of I was kind of skeptical of the things Candace was saying. I was talking to her and you know the text that she has said has always stood out to me which is if she wants to see what happened play my tape play my camera.

Play my angle. And again I said it I said it the other night. I'll say it again. Like, roll the tapes.

Like, it's not hard. We know it exists. I know the footage exists. I was behind that camera every day practically for a year.

And uh, you know, I would love to see that to just again, if you want to call me a conspiracy theorist for saying it's not a bullet, prove it to me. Show me the footage that Jordan's camera was running. Show me that footage. Show us all you guys.

If you guys stand for truth and you care for truth, prove it. Roll the tape. We've all seen the video already. It's not going to affect us anymore that it's in a little bit higher quality.

In fact, it will probably help us all put this thing to bed once and for all. If you want us to shut up about it, roll the tape. Turning point. Yeah, we just No, I want Tarl to hear this.

Terl, go ahead. play the tape because by not you are all indicating if not guilt complicitness in this because why haven't you for the sake of truth for the sake of Charlie Kirk who gave his life for truth just played the video that is as close as the camera I'm recording from now was to Charlie it it would end this entire debate but he 29 minuteshasn't in my opinion because this is a deep state cover up to roll in speech about anti-semitism and all the speech that we're having online right now is all being documented. We're all being put on lists. Like this this part in our nation's history, friends, it's going to get darker.

I promise you it doesn't get brighter from here. It is up to you all, including myself. I can't do it alone. Yeah.

To stand up. It It's time. Like I I'm sorry. And again, I'll say it again.

Turning point. Play the videos. Play the audio. Please.

I'm begging you. You guys have it. Release it. So, couple questions.

Have you spoke to the girl? Like, you can say like if she wants to like not have I did. I did recently and I never got a response. And that's the thing.

I I've I've noticed my relationships with these people since coming out have pretty much ended. So, these two cameras are not visual impulse. Those are Turning Point. No, the the the two under the tent are there.

The ones externally around the tent, the other guys running around with cameras and stuff. Those guys are are I 30 minuteswould imagine Turning Point USA Productions. Got it. And that's why I'm saying I think some of this footage is going to be in that documentary and I think they're waiting for a verdict.

Oh yeah. Because if footage makes it in that documentary that wasn't admitted as evidence. We can't go back once a verdict is made, right? But what we can do is call for evidence beforehand.

And that's what I'm trying to do is uh Yeah. I want to see that footage from every camera that was there. There's at least five, I think, that I've counted. The one behind Charlie, the two facing him, and two Yes.

to the left of the tent. Yes. I want all I want to see all that footage. It should just all be released publicly.

Put it on the internet. Put it in a Dropbox folder. Let us all watch it. Why haven't you?

Because you're hiding something. 100%. Honest people honest people don't don't hide things like this. And you can say that it's you don't want to corrupt the case.

Okay. Is that because you're trying to convict an innocent man uh wrongfully and and in a in a kangaroo court? Because this seems like the one thing that would shut everyone from Candace Owens to Baron Coleman to you to me up. Yeah.

31 minutesI just want to see the I just want to see the footage, guys. It's not hard. Um for answers. We want answers.

That's why we want to see it. We're not And they try to like It's That's what I'm saying. It's double speak. It's it's it's it's akin to left.

It's a They hate America. And they want they want us all in camps. They're like, "You're so sick. You want to watch that?

Anyone that wants to watch that is so I don't actually I I I care a lot about what happened. " And um the fact that you guys aren't is uh kind of insane. " And she goes, "Get out of the way. " Yeah.

Yeah. They contradict themselves every time. But I would want to see the video so that I could know that the official narrative is what the videos capture, right? Like I would want to know how did my partner die and who because then I could start tracing it back from that like okay now I have a good understanding of how they died.

Um this is what all these people are saying. It doesn't match with that. It's going to give you a starting point but she in my opinion probably she already knows. So that's why she's not interested in Yeah.

And also she's the one who benefited the most off of his death. Nobody knew who Erikica Kirk was before unless she were kind of vaguely associated at Turning Point and now everyone in the world has heard her name. To say that she wants the truth on this I think is hilarious because we all know she doesn't because the truth would expose who she really is and I know parts of that I haven't made public yet. I will be at some point.

Um but again like there's a lot that people don't know. There's a reason that they're working to keep it private and it exposes a greater evil. I think that that many are either afraid to call out publicly um or they're just unaware of in both cases enough is enough and it's time to start it's time to start shouting from the rooftops for my fellow Christians because I don't want us I don't want us all to suffer at the hands of these demons anymore. It's kind of it's kind of insane.

Well, and her mom's connected to Brad Parcell and uh through again it's one big happy family and and they tell you who they are when when when they say things they just use double speak. I think when turn when Erica said it's one big turning point family, I think she's implying to uh yeah, you know, the federal government connections that that helped her uh become the CEO of of the largest uh pro, you know, America anti-deepstate group that is now propping up the establishment and not doing anything that uh we elected it to do. So, I think it's% pretty clear when you lay it out like that and then people will come in and try and say I'm attacking Charlie as if like I wasn't there up until four weeks before he died and and was the Charlie kid in high school who was getting attacked. Like you guys all came into this when it was lucrative.

I was in this game when it wasn't cool to be a conservative. And I'm still a conservative. I just don't align myself with you guys anymore. So, I'm not going to call myself a conservative anymore.

I'm just an American. I'm a Christian and and Christ is king and you guys are acting in ways that are not aligned with with Christ at all. So yeah, I don't know. Let me read a couple more and then we can get to the video and then I was actually going to ask you some questions too about um you because you were there when like can't Well, here I'll stop myself before because then we'll get into it.

Okay. Um you're you're a great speaker Mitchell. That's from Pete Stronic. I'm so bad at reading handles.

It's so bad. Uh thank you Mitchell from Matt Bell. We got good on you mate. Uh we will both well both of you Australian but this uh this stuff runs deep down here as well.

Yeah I know there's a lot of good Aussies involved in this. You have like Muppet Masher who took it to Blake Nav the other day uh on X and then uh Matthew S. Baker and there's some others too. Uh Journey of E says uh joining late but thank you Mitchell for speaking out.

May God protect bless you also. What's the symbol on your shirt mean? Yeah, it's a uh it's an Orthodox cross and uh and then the FM is just the company that designed it, Finance and Maneuver. They are uh they're a local company out here in Scottsdale.

Uh go check them out. They make some really cool anti-government, anti-bank merch. I think all you radicals would love it. I like this shirt.

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I'm actually going to look it up, too. Um next one we got, hi Mitchell. Uh knowing Charlie, do you think he started to sense something off with his team? Also, did Jordan did Jordan said she would give her footage?

Um, I I feel like maybe there was a sense in which Charlie felt that, but I also think that it's one of those things where he had people around him from the beginning that he trusted. And I think that those were the same people who betrayed him. And and it was one of those things where he was in too deep. And I think that even as far back as the texts he sent Candace, I think he he recognized that his impact would ultimately be greater than politics.

And we're realizing that, right, for people to call people like Candace or myself crazy for saying the things we are because we're we're trying to elevate our national conversation out of the realm of politics, that's very 36 minutesintentional, right? Like it's it's it's they don't want us getting out of that realm because it's how they control us. So again, they can label me crazy. I love when people label me anything because by doing that, you're you're basically labeling Charlie the same thing, right?

And so cool, you can do that, but recognize what you're doing and in that, you know, use that and and use that kind of logic that I just presented to to combat this because it it it is it is evil. And and no, she didn't say that. She just said that like if Candace wanted to, she should look at my camera, which is the principle that I was just trying to echo, which is I think what we all kind of feel. And that's, you know, show the tapes and we we would all love to see the footage.

So, right. All right. So we got um from Jane Seth Rubert. Can Mitchell tell us about his experiences with Candace and Charlie together?

Was he the cameraman during those years when they traveled together? So I was not I was actually still very young at that point. Okay. This is 2018 2017.

So I was 17 18 still in school. Um but I was there for a couple moments. The one I remember most was right after or maybe it was before. I don't remember the timing, but it was around the time that Candace and Charlie and Kanye were all running together.

And I retweeted a tweet on this the other day. You should go find it. I'll I might retweet it again. It's from a guy named John Mappen.

He's actually he's a he's a donor of Charlie's. Um that's how we connected. And so, you know, he's also saying the same things I am. Again, people who truly knew Charlie from the beginning, we're all kind of on the same side here.

This isn't a leftist versus Republican thing. This is right from wrong. This is good from evil. Um, and so them trying to use these labels, I just find it funny because I'm like, we're not talking about the same things at all here.

Like you guys are you guys are playing your fantasy land. I'm I'm living in reality, whatever. But, um, the moment I remember most was it was right around that time. Kanye West's manager was actually at an event.

I was in Washington DC. It was the high school summit that they were having and Kanye's manager was backstage. Candace was about to walk out. I was an intern for Turning Point at this point.

And so they had thrown me on AV that day. I wasn't even an AV intern. I was interning for Fields. Somehow I ended up on AV.

Look where I am now, right? Just again, Divine Providence, I guess. But um I got to cue the song Ghost Town as Candace walked out with Kanye's manager backstage. And that was like, you know, as like a 17-year-old.

It was like one of the coolest things. And uh you know, I didn't necessarily like work up close and personal with them. " thanked him for, you know, everything he had he had done for me over the years, the opportunities, the employment, whatever. And, you know, kind of told him, wasn't really seeing eye to eye with the company, but you know, me and you, dude, like I will always back you, whatever.

And and you know, he it's not like he disowned me. " You know, he was a complex individual. He believed in nuance. And that's what frustrates me most about Blake Nef and Andrew.

Like they're trying to make it seem like him and Candace weren't friends when, you know, if he was about to leave the Israel lobby, I bet they were about to come become really good friends. And that's why that's why this [clears throat] is uh this is a disinformation war. I'm not going to let them sit here and lie on uh on my friend's name. And they can try and say what they want that we weren't friends, that we didn't work close enough, like whatever.

Um I know the relationship we had. I was texting Charlie about my college admissions process as far back as 2017. So, um, that's what friends do and and I feel like what I'm doing right now is what a friend would do for me if I was to end up dead mysteriously. So, after waging war on the federal government, too.

So, you know, it's it's again for you guys. You can say you're his friends, you can say you stand for, but your actions and your rhetoric and the words that leave your mouth and the way that you treat others who truly loved Charlie just for who he was, not for what they could gain from him, um, indicates to me a much a much greater thing that you all failed to acknowledge. um every day. Yeah.

Sorry, [snorts] I know I kind of went off. I'll just keep going. 40 minutesNo, you're good. Yeah.

John Mappen is who they stayed with when they went to the UK. He's the one that helped him. And uh that's when she met um George. And John is also the one that released the BB letter when they were only releasing little tidbits of it.

Um and they were lying about what Charlie was saying in there. He released the entire thing. So, um I follow John on X, too. I like him.

I think he's a really good dude. Yeah, I actually got connected to him. I dude I I was speaking to people on the back end as far back as like November, December. Oh, really?

I was weighing because for me, I was like, again, I had just taken this new job with the county. Again, I knew it's politics. I know the risks. I I didn't I I I I'm I'm not an idiot, right?

I'm aware. I've been in this game for half my life. Um, so I was talking to people. John and I connected a while back and you know, so now it's just it was too much for me to bear.

I couldn't I couldn't do it anymore. Yeah. Do you think it was I don't know, maybe you can't say this, but um Oh, two questions. Do you think Mikey did reach out through a third person to tell Candace to look more into Andrew?

And if you're allowed to, do you know who that was? I don't know who it was or who it could have been. I know Mikey really well and he's a really good friend of mine. um his actions have I don't know not like confused me entirely but there's just things where I am very questionable of I think that much like me you know he met Charlie when he was 17 or 18 and got thrust into an even larger position than I had right he became his chief of staff at that age pretty much and um it's a big responsibility that's crazy when you think about it with how young and he well and I I know the story there too I was actually asked to like give recommendations for that position and I suggested myself.

It's a long story, not relevant, but anyways, like as far as he goes, I think that he's a good kid caught in the middle of of something that unfortunately he might not have much control over. Yeah. Um, and that's just going off of personal experience and relation. That that's that's how I feel about most every one of these people, even the people that are being named personally.

It's why I waited so long too to speak out because I didn't want to ruin decades worth of friendships and relationships I've had over something like this. I thought we were all aligned in vision and and and motivation and fighting this fight for the same end goal, but it seems like somewhere along the way, something happened. People's values, interests, whatever got co-opted or they're just too afraid to do anything or they can't or they're being controlled or or they're in contracts. I don't know.

I I don't know a lot of it. I'm just giving you the perspective of as someone who for years questioned why I wasn't being welcomed into that inner circle. [clears throat] I'm thanking God every day now that I wasn't that I am in the position I am because I know I'm on the right side. I know I'm standing with Christ and and ultimately where Charlie himself would be standing today.

Yeah. For such a time as this. Exactly. Yeah.

For sure. Um all right, let's go. Uh YouTube click this is incredible. Uh, and again, I'm Australian.

What do I care? But this will be a legendary convo. Thank you, man. Um, next one we got, uh, Mitchell Manley is the true legacy of Charlie Kirk.

Thank you for your courage, Mitchell. Uh, knowing you are stepping into the lion's den for truth. Thank you, Matt, for hosting him. I hope to see much more.

Thank you, Angel Brooks or Angela Brooks. Thank you. Thank you. Uh, we got Jim Carrey.

How can we support Mitchell? We love him. How can people support you? Uh, for now, follow me on X Artifacts Memoir.

Um, actually got you pulled up. So, let's go. I should uh get something set up here. Also, a Mystic, can you throw his X account uh in the in the chat as well that people can can see it and they can go there.

And then here, and we're going to get to this post in a minute that he just did, but this is Artifacts memoir. This is where you can come and give him a follow. I'm following him. You would click on this.

it would say black. It would be black and it would say follow and you just got to click on that. Um, let me go back so I don't lose the post that we have. All right, which we're going to get to that in a second.

And then, you know, once you have more set up like YouTube channel and stuff like that, too. Yeah, I just created the channel page yesterday. You can go I don't even you might be able to go subscribe. It's artifacts by more on YouTube.

Um, there's nothing designed on it. I I it literally should be up, I think. I don't know if it actually got made. I think I created it.

Um, and then I got to work on something. I gota I'm I'm writing a book. I'm trying to get merch out as well, like just for white boy summer stuff, you know, just just little fun things. Um, and then I'll come up with uh I don't know, like a buy me a coffee.

I don't know. You can probably help me out with that. Yeah, I'll offline to get all that going. Um, it didn't come up, but maybe I'm spelling it wrong, but I like I'll look for it later.

Yeah, no worries. and then um we can throw it up in the comment section of the video 45 minutesbecause people will ask like where because some people that aren't watching this live, they're going to watch this afterwards. They're going to like where can we find them and then I'll throw it in the description. Okay.

Um we got who do we got? MSF. What the irony is uh had the left won the presidential election CK would probably still be alive. Isn't that crazy?

Yeah. that and the MAGA movement would be stronger today because Kla Harris would be the one dropping bombs in the Middle East and uh so that's my perspective is like the intelligence agencies run the country and and the elections are smoking mirrors. All of this is just fake. Um they have the next four elections already planned out.

They already like in in cities like New York, Mam Donnie was already going to win regardless of who ran against it. Like all of this is preset. The world is a stage and we are the pawns. Um so you're 100% correct.

I think Charlie would still be alive today. I think the MAGA movement would be stronger today. I also think Charlie would probably have gone on to become president one day if if we had not elected Donald Trump. And the irony there is so dark.

I don't want to pend too much time on it. Um but like it it Yeah, you're 100% right. And and people Charlie was the best at saying this kind of stuff. People think that it's one of two options, right?

We only have left or right when it's not actually. And that's that's what MAGA was supposed to be. Like like they used Republicans. Charlie himself, Trump even used Republicans because it was a means to an end.

It was a means to change this country. It was it was the most effective means to change this country without a revolution. And they co-opted that. And so now it's like where do we go from here?

Yeah. I've said it a couple times like I'm not advocating for they they'd sooner push us into a civil war than a revolution. And but we don't need a civil war. We we need if we need anything.

We just need to take back this country and government for ourselves. And that's the sickos that run it. And that's what this whole presidency was supposed to be about. That's what I like.

Again, I keep going back to it. Charlie trusted these people. We all trusted these people. The people who are now profiting off of Again, this is the most corrupt administration in our nation's history.

I know they're using crypto to do it. That doesn't mean it's not still corruption. Just because we're in the digital age, corruption is still corruption. Theft is still theft.

And we have to call it like it is. A spade is a spade. Like I'm going to keep it a buck always. That's what that's how I've always been.

Well, and they're going around saying that they're the most transparent organization uh administration ever. You know, it's like pastors, these pastors that are all affiliated with Erica Kirk. It's like wolves in sheep's clothing. I don't know anything more evil than people that pretend to profess to be Christians and leaders of Christians and like you know they actually have people's uh responsibility of that like their souls like leading them or not leading them astray leading them in the right ways of God and they act like they're good people and they're not.

Um that's just some of the worst people ever. Start a channel YouTube. I'm in. He's I think we're going to get him to start a channel for sure and get it going.

All right. Uh love the conversation. and I agree with all the things. Sending support and prayers.

Don't back down. Christ is king and truth is everything. Thank you. Hey you.

Um I think this is my father-in-law. Yeah. What up, dude? What up, Pops?

Uh son, you and your audience are working at uh changing the world. Go, Max. Love, pop. Thanks.

Thanks, Pop. Uh we got Lena, thank you for speaking out. Do you have any insights into Charlie Kirk's relationship with Erica Kirk, especially toward the end? Do you think the rumors of CK discovering something and potentially splitting uh have any validity?

I want to be very careful how I answer this because I don't want to get sued. Um always with my opinion. I think and my opinion based only on my own personal observations and experiences and motives and coming from a broken family myself is uh yeah I think that there is reason to believe that potentially. I think that there is reason to assume maybe that that might be a potential motivation, right?

I don't know for sure obviously, but I think if we look through history, um, in any murder case, which this isn't the typical murder case, this is obviously a political assassination, but in any murder case, typically the first subjects are the, uh, husband or wife and the close circle friends. I don't feel like any of those people were properly investigated by the FBI. No. Now, we've I've laid out my reasoning why I don't think they were ever investigated, why I don't think they will ever be investigated because again, this is one big happy family that we are not in.

And Charlie himself kind of built and put in place, but I think he was also on the outside of there at the end. When it comes to their personal relationship, I always questioned it. I didn't, you know, having known Charlie from when he was 18, 19, I didn't see Erica as the type of person that he would partner with. Um, I think that I've said this before, I'll say it again.

I think that, you know, for us to assume that Charlie Kirk, for as intelligent as he was and effective as he was, could not have been honeypotted, 50 minutesI think is very naive. I think that if we look at how intelligence assets work, whether it's China or Russia or America, they have a history of of putting women in the lives of very effective men and using them to bring about their downfall. It's biblical. It it it is.

And so I think that, you know, for people to say to label me, you know, I hate Erikica Kirkwood, I I don't particularly care. I never liked her much, but like I just never got it. And I never really understood it. And, you know, I say the same thing, I'll say it again.

It's she went in for a job interview and became and is now the CEO. And uh the person who put her in that position is Tyler Ber. Yes. And Tyler Boyer and Erica Kirk have known each other since 2015.

I was in the room when they met allegedly or maybe they knew each other before, I don't know. It was at the first Trump rally that ever took place in 201 before then because of phone call. Yeah. And so I was there, right?

I was in the same room. There's a photo of it on my profile. Um, this goes back over 10 years, right? And and so these people all knew each other.

I think the intelligence agency viewed Charlie as an effective tool to bring us to this point truly to to 2030, the great reset. We're here like like this is it. This like and Charlie was in the way of that. At the same time, he brought us right up into the point to bring about enough chaos to usher it in under our noses.

That's that's how I feel. So, I don't know. That's kind of a longer question on Erica, but I think she's just one of the many pieces of the puzzle that that the deep state is using. Yep.

Um Yeah. So, I mean, like, uh I definitely think they knew each other before um because there was a phone call that Tyler said took place in order to get her there at the rally. So, they didn't meet at the rally, right? There was this phone call that they [snorts] both had referenced.

They both have told different stories about when they knew each other, how long they knew each other, and then Erica actually refers to him as family friends, like family friends, like knowing each other for a long time. She's on tape saying that. So, um, and then we have uh Tyler trying to get Erica to meet Charlie three times. And then the fourth is the New York Bob's Bills burgers, right?

Um, Lorie Fronfay tries it in in in Israel. That's when, you know, Erica sees him in a line but never gets to meet him. And then there is two at the headquarters in Arizona where one time she doesn't meet him, one time she does. It's just briefly.

And then there's one crazy I feel like I might have been there because if those were at like events, it probably was. Like, and that's what's I remember them. Oh my god. I remember them being like Charlie has to meet someone.

Dude, I feel like I was there that night. Actually, I straight because I because like it was it was a big deal like like Charlie potentially getting married. Like again, it was a big deal. They were talking they were talking about it back then for sure.

I remember you saying that. I've had this happen now multiple times where talking to people will bring up stuff that I have memory hold just due to 13 years in the space. Like I feel like I was there, dude. 53 minutesThat's why um and Matt Tuserone just messaged me.

Um, we should we definitely got to do one the three of us with you and Matt because you have this TPUSA inside track knowledge and then he has the turning point action inside track knowledge and I just want to get you guys two together talking about different things and getting your you know different memories and it'll like I think it'll trigger like a you know uh a memory that you didn't know you had and it like it will pop up kind of like right now what happened you know um all brutally honest uh when was the last time you were or you are able able to talk to Charlie. Um, I mean, it wasn't like we had day-to-day conversations much ever. Um, but I would say probably like one of the last tour stops we did, which I think for me was April was like the last campus tour we did before the summer kind of kicked off. And then I did the the donor event for them or the um faith event for them in August.

The pastors the pastor Yeah, the pastor summit. Yeah, I was there for that. Um, so it was probably sometime around April or or whatever and it probably wasn't anything substantial. It was probably just a passing joke about something a leftist had said, right?

But again, we were, you know, had known each other for so long, it's not like we needed to talk often, right? Well, and keep in mind too, people that like they were keeping Charlie so freaking busy, right? And insulated, right? like um being able to that and that's a thing they do too like um restricting um access to someone um as privilege and only certain people get that privilege.

It's it's textbook like manipulation too. You look at like if you look at the characteristics, dude, they literally got him to move his company from Illinois to Arizona. Talk about isolating someone from their family and friends, bro. You move him all like Yeah.

And he knew that he could manipulate the political system there, too. like all of his strings that he could pull is out in Arizona. And and who else was out there? Erica.

I know, dude. Trust me. Freaking. Trust me.

I know. Uh what's your new channel called, Mitchell? I just tried to look it up. Do you know how many channel YouTube channels are called?

Artifacts, dude. Uh hang on. Let me see if I can find it right now. Um I might be able to send you a link actually if I'm signed in here.

We could Yeah, please do. And then I'll put it I'll put it up for everybody. Every Yeah, there we go. Here, let me um YouTube Studio.

Is that where I got to go? Hang on. Hang on. Um, you pull it up while I read these.

Okay. All right. Yeah. Go ahead.

All right. Um, so the new TPUSA compound and collecting data from all applicants and the geo fencing and data centers. And now we have section 219 to merge the IDF with our military. Now we know who's infiltrated the deep state.

Israel. Yeah. Bingo. the show faith by works fariling the clock tower X fariling both are through the foreign ministry of Israel the clock tower X like and that's why if you guys want to know if your church is a good church you need to go to the uh the show faith by works far FA far filing and it has just hundreds of churches listed on there that if you go into those churches on Sundays your phone is going to be grafted into this technology where it's going to be sending you pro-Israel anti-Palestinian propaganda and they're going to geo uh track you, geofence.

Um, and yeah, and Christian universities are on the far filing, too. It's not just um churches and all the TPUSA events after Charlie's death. So, I just sent it to you, man. It should be up.

I just got my profile picture there, too. It's the same one on Twitter. So, all right. Oh, awesome.

I'm going to copy and paste this into my email and then I can pull it up. [snorts] Um, we'll go to the next one here. " Okay, I'm doing it, guys. Multitasking.

Here we go. Because then I can pull it up through my email. I don't have my phone connected to my computer, but here we go. I'm going to pull it up.

Give me a second. This, by the way, like two days ago, I said I wasn't starting a channel or a podcast, so this is just like the people want. I guess I'll do something. I don't know.

You You should have told me ahead of time because this is the perfect time to do it, man. Um so that we can boost it for everybody. Um, where? Here we go.

All right. So, you guys come here. I just subscribed. Um, I can say I'm your first subscriber, dude.

There we go. Dang. There you go. You You just You just earned a free white boy summer t-shirt once I get that.

When you guys come here, don't just hit subscribe. You also click it again and you have to click the all button or else it won't let you know when he does his future lives or post videos. Okay. Um, and then yeah, let me go back here.

I'll remove and then I'm going to put this back on because we are going to get to this video. I got to see how far behind am I on all of these. Okay, I'm not far behind. We're almost caught up.

All right, and then we're going to watch the video with Charlie um talking about um Elon Musk and then we're going to hop to that um that expost. All right, here we go. Thank you for speaking genuinely to Charlie. You are also his David Mitchell.

Christ is king. That's a really good compliment actually. Um because that was something that he said to Candace Owens. Um so that's a really good compliment.

Uh, love you from Australia. New follower here, Matt. Thanks. Oh, good citizen.

Thank you. We got actually we got quite a few uh Aussies uh that follow us. I just have to say uh any Aussie following us, I hope you're not an Aaron Milan fan. Please don't be an Aaron Milan fan.

She's the worst, dude. And hey, Aussies, don't uh don't feel like just because y'all are over there, y'all are out of this fight. This is good versus evil. This is not America.

Like, this is this is much larger than anything. And I think we all know that. and we appreciate your support because um they're doing it in all the western countries. Yeah, it's it's happening across the world and we all know this and it's happening in different ways and these demons are very deceptive and that's what they're doing.

So the more we can all band together as as one in Christ alone regardless of of political party, regardless of national identity, the the stronger we will be. So thank 59 minutesyou truly. Yeah, they want us in the left versus right paradigm, which is just uh we all need to be wise that that's just two sides of the same coin and there's this other secret uni party behind those two parties. You know, uh the founder said one of the worst things that could happen to our democracy is a two-party system because you end up picking the lesser of two evils.

you end up voting against someone instead of for someone because like I don't know and I said this the other day that I mean there hasn't been except for Trump and JD Vans but like I said I think it was yesterday the night before the reason why I really really really believed that they were going to you know follow through on their campaign promises was because they had made these promises to Charlie was vouching for them and I believed that Charlie believed them and that they wouldn't lie to Charlie and I know Charlie wouldn't lie to us So, I know that he genuinely believed that they were going to do what they said they did. Truly. Yeah. No, for sure.

It's it's betrayal and deceit from the highest level. And it's they used innocent Christian men to do it. And it's just it's textbook. You just have to look at the Bible.

This isn't the first time in history it's happened, right? We just we're trying to be told that it's something it's not. And the people who did it, I think, are the ones who are telling us those things. So, what what did you think?

Did you watch uh Tucker Carlson's uh speech at his memorial when he I was there. Were you really? I was on the floor. Yeah, I it's a whole other story.

We can we can unpack it with Matt. Maybe we can make that one a little bit more casual and like personal and we can tell some stories. But um yeah, no, I was down there. I had reached out to people I've known my entire life, people I worked closely with.

I offered my services as a camera operator. I did a lot to try and get in there initially and I was kind of stonewalled from the floor, which Well, they had already selected [laughter] the media company that was going to run that event, dude. Well, I mean I mean the guys I toured with were also, you know, running some of that. So it just there was there was weird like it was weird from the beginning and um I managed to get down there thanks to a friend.

But now it we'll we'll talk. It's a whole thing. I was there though. Yes.

In his speech. Yeah. Um did I read this one? Okay.

Thank you so much. Uh finally someone speaking truth that was close to Charlie. Everyone should share this episode. You are in my prayers, brave one.

Thank you, Elizabeth Minton. We're almost there, you guys. And then we're gonna get on with the show. Okay.

Um, Auntie Penelope, uh, you are not crazy. Thank you and be safe. Christ is king. Thank you, Auntie Penelopey.

Uh, Christ is king indeed. Did you ever notice how fake Erica was while at Turning Point? I'm only laughing because uh I saw her like twice, I think, in in like the 13 years I was there. The one time I remember most was the I think it was 10year anniversary of Turning Point USA.

That also was their kind of uh staff and friends and family wedding reception. They had a bunch obviously, but this one was for TP family. Um, and there's a photo of me that I don't have that I know exists of me and one of my ex-girlfriends and Charlie and Erica because they did like a whole everyone gets a photo thing. Um, again, I I didn't really get it at at the time.

It didn't make sense to me. I looked at the kind of work Erica was doing, which yeah, it was like I don't know, pro-Christian. She had Bible 365. She had this kind of failing streetear brand.

Yeah. It just it felt fake. It felt none of it felt real to me. And so, at the time, I was skeptical of it.

But at the same time, I was like, "Okay, Charlie, I trust your judgment, bro. Like, I trust you. I'm not going to not I'm obviously not going to put my two cents in there because that's clearly not as outside of my wheelhouse, right? Like do your own thing like you know.

Um but I was skeptical of it from the jump. Yeah. And and then she also was not never really involved in in Turning Point USA in the operations of things. She was always kept out of that.

Um and so then to see her immediately assume control, which in my opinion, I don't think she's in control of anything. I think Tyler Boyer is still the one pulling all the strings and and calling all the shots. And you know, they're using the emotional kind of whiplash that that they can via Erica to push a lot of that through. And it's again, you just have to break it down and call it for what it is and and it starts to make sense.

Were you there at the Andy Biggs rally? I'm trying to remember. I think I might have been. I I don't I don't remember if I've seen the video.

I'll have to like know the date, but I think I was. Again, I've also done like contract work for Turning Point Action before in the past. Like I Yeah. Yeah, I don't know.

I think I might have been because I remember that setup like that dark room in the red. I I've done so much for them over the years in so many different capacities. It's hard like I I didn't remember until last night that I was, you know, filming the the we the people versus the oligarch speech, which h which happened at the the Arizona rally where RFK endorsed Trump. And it's like I knew I was there for RFK.

I didn't really realize that that was the same day, you know, and it's just like Yeah, it blends together. years. This is crazy. 4 minutesYeah.

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All right. You're going to have to help me get that set up after this, Matt, and then I'll let you blast it out cuz I I again I I didn't want to be here, guys. I I I'm doing this because it it I couldn't not anymore. I sat in the new job I took and I ignored my feelings and I stayed off Twitter and I honestly was starting to kind of self-destruct because I I I couldn't stand what was happening and and I was hopeless and I didn't think that that there was any goodness left in the world.

And then I got on Twitter one day and I spoke out against Tyler and yeah, he blocked me, but in in the interim there were hundreds of people who came to my support. Candace Owens retweeted me. That that was the first thing that kind of sent me and I was like, "Wait a minute. I'm not crazy.

Like I I people [clears throat] agree. " And so, um, yeah, I guess just help like help me out figuring this out. I'm like I've been in the space, but I'm new in front in front of a camera. So, um, yeah, any any advice y'all have, I'm happy to help.

and and thanks for helping me out, Matt. 100%. Uh, we got real wait, real he Oh, Heather. The four is the Okay.

Real Heather. Uh, they pressured Charlie to date and marry her. Yes, they do. I actually have proof of that.

Um, so, uh, James Cadis said that when he first met Charlie, and Erica was there, he said, and and James Cadis, who is Erica's like pastor for Proclaim and Bible in 365, uh, he was there at the trial last week giving interviews like Frank Turk, they're all Calvary Chapel pastors. Rob McCoy, Frank Turk, Jack Kibs, Greg Lorie, James Kadis, and they're all Zionists, right? Um, James has said time and time again. And he's the one that did their premarital counseling that he told Charlie, "You have to marry Erica now.

" Um, and that she is the thing that's going to bless you and turning point and take it to the next level. Without her, it's not going to be blessed. He was doing passive like um spiritual manipulative things like that, saying he's a prophet. He hears from God and telling Charlie what to do because God told him.

It's freaking disgusting. It is. Yeah. You explained how you could tell that they isolated Charlie.

Uh was this in hindsight or could you tell when you were working for him? I felt it happening in real time. Um it was a big complaint of mine. Uh when I left in 2023, I gave an exit interview to an individual who, you know, I'm now questioning if what I said to him even made its way to Charlie.

Um is it supposed to? Is the exit interview supposed to make it to Charlie? Don't most exit interviews make it way to the CEO? Like in a normal company, it should.

Yeah, it should. So So yeah, I would I was under the assumption that this was normal. Again, nothing that happens at that company is normal. None of the corporate structure is normal.

of the promotions are based off of the work you do. It's all based off who you know it's a political high school at the end of the day. Yep. So yes, I noticed that taking place as someone who was there from the beginning.

I noticed the ideological shift from a fundamental level. This was no longer a grassroots organization that believed in principle. This was a this was a Trump machine and I I saw that and I had my concerns but at the same time this was a different this was before 910. This was before all of this.

Western democracies at stake and Trump's best shot, which yeah, I guess maybe it's obviously not the case for the same people. So my point being I gave it my best shot from the perspective I could as a young person navigating the corporate world. I wish I had more courage then to just text my friend Charlie, but also I don't know if he even had full control over that. Like I don't know to what degree this man was managed and insulated.

And I watched again over time, it just felt like he was isolated from his core mission to becoming a political activist and that was done via the studio and such, you know, the Charlie Kirk show, which was the core people who are now kind of proclaiming his message, which to me falls flat on its face when you compare the things that he would say, you know, that I would record for three hours a day in front of students. And that's that's again what it comes down to. So much more than than just a politician or political activist, a talking head. He was he was a a spiritual leader in in this nation, the strongest one arguably that we've had in decades.

And uh he was he was changing the hearts and minds of the youth. And he was getting them to think critically about not only their government, but about the real cost of of their actions and and where their souls are and and also just like the spiritual war that we've been in since the day that Christ died. And um you know, again, to expect these things not to happen, I think is naive. As Christians, we should be soberminded about the fact that we are told we will face persecution.

We will be killed for for the statements we make for not, you know, budging on truth. It's why we see all of these people who are too afraid to speak up because they don't want to get killed. I get it, right? I'm very soberminded about this thing.

I lost my mother when I was 23 or 24. Two years later, I watched Charlie get killed. Like, I I get it. This world, we're not meant for.

This world is temporal, right? We can't take any of this stuff with us anyways. I can't take the job I just lost with me. I can't take the salary I just lost with me.

what I can take with me is is my soul, my values, the things that I know I lived for and and the fact that, you know, when and if I do perish, like I can at least say that I did the tough thing or the right thing when it was tough, right? And uh and that's that's what it is for me. So I I noticed it. I did as much as I could internally.

That's the only reason why I went back as a contracted videographer was because it wasn't with Turning Point USA. It was with Charlie directly. I was one of three people in his direct kind of eyesight for three hours a day. And and it was awesome.

It was the experience of a lifetime. I would do it again in a heartbeat. Getting to amplify his message again that was so much more than political. I realized that there were moments because again, you get in this environment, you listen to Charlie for decades, you start to tune a lot of it out.

You know, I was very guilty of that. And I had a moment where we were at a a campus and I noticed that this wasn't political anymore. You know, this was Charlie was speaking to the youth in a way that yes, there was politics underlying, but like he was saving souls, dude. He was he was a warrior for Christ in a way that they couldn't they couldn't handle.

So they had to kill him. And and that's what they did to Christ. And it's again to expect people like him, people such as myself to not face persecution from the world, I think is naive. So like again, I'm very aware of that.

And um that's why I waited as long as I did because I knew it would happen. I just kind of had to wait to see if anyone else was going to was going to do the the the right thing. And I haven't seen very many people do it yet. So yeah.

Yeah. And I was going to say too like um 12 minuteslike 9/11 and like any of these major uh major traumatic events like we we remember what life was like before and then after and that like in the last 10 months we've gone through such an unveiling of so many things in such a short amount of time. Sometimes it's hard to remember that like no a lot of us well I can speak for myself were kind of naive to a lot of things that really Charlie's assassination like just it woke a lot of people up um to a lot more uh and I think some people's process already started on that uh beforehand but I think it really so not knowing who was could be trusted and who couldn't be and like who was isolating him. It's definitely, I think, apparent now after the fact, uh, some of these people like Marin MZ, Stacy Sheridan, Tyler Ber, um, you know, I think Andrew Kovit's a bad guy, not a good guy.

You know, he's the 13 minutesone that most likely went back to Mariam Adlesen, right? And said it, that statement that Trump made was only in front of Charlie and Andrew, right? And then, I mean, Charlie didn't say it. So, all right.

Were you in Aspen when Charlie Kirk named EK as his successor? Thoughts on the video? So, no, you weren't there. I wasn't there, but I will comment on this because I think it's interesting.

Um, I was in their productions department obviously in 2022. Um, 2023, I was making deep fakes for Jack Bic using AI. Um, I also Yeah. Oh, yeah.

I I put a whole tweet about this the other day. You can go blow it up if you want. Um, just go to my profile and search deep fakes. You'll find it.

Um, and so yeah, we it was when the Trump trial was happening actually. You talk about manipulating justice. Again, it was I look back on it and the deep fakes were were so god-awful that like it's embarrassing now. But again, in hindsight, it's really interesting and it's why none of these people's behavior necessarily surprised me.

" And he had such a busy schedule. Getting him in for recordings was hard sometimes. We needed we needed audio clips. We needed oneliners, you know, what whatever it was, whether it was a tail end to a video or a call to action, whatever.

We had decades of his footage. We may as well just have a clone we can use, right? And that was something I talked about. I kind of showed them how to do very novicely back in the day, 11 Labs.

Um, so for them to come out here and be like, "Oh, this is not AI. We never use AI. " It's like, bro, I was there. uh the the the the veil the the line between truth what actually is is very thin and you guys are willing to push it.

I myself was at times for the sake of certain things. I think I think there's there's some some good in that right but at the same time we have to be real about what's happening right now and kind of what point in the timeline we're in three years ago is different than what's happened now since Charlie Kirk's been killed. So I think that you know I wasn't there for that video. I'm skeptical of the video for sure.

Very skeptical of it. I'm I'm heavily skeptical actually. incredibly skeptical because of what I just said, which is that I showed them 3, four years ago how to make AI videos of these people of of our enemies such as, you know, leftists. And then to think that in the 3, four years that AI has made advancement wise, it would be impossible.

I think is very again naive. They they expect you all to just be naive uh good Goyam, you know, and that's just it's insane to me. Yeah. And I mean like there's so many things wrong with that video, right?

They add music. They cut it up into two separate parts. They put a still photograph in between. They're putting videos in front of it.

And then the video itself doesn't match Candace's video. Like where the mic is is in different places where Charlie's holding it. There's issues with like his fingers, his teeth, his eyelid, too. I've seen those like just Oh, yeah.

The the And then also even to take all that away and if it's just this one thing, it kind of destroys it. He looks like he's saying it in justest. He looks like he's like he's being sarcastic. If he says it at all, if it's real at all and it's just taken out of context, he wasn't he didn't look serious, honestly.

So, I mean, there's so many on so many different levels why I think there's some something wrong with that video. All right, we got uh Christis King indeed. Add a link to his channel in the description, please. All right, I think Mystic already put it in the chat and then I will.

I can't do it during the show, but I'll do it for sure. Got a reply from Candace. That's insane. You did?

Yeah. She's retweeted me twice. This is her first reply. That's awesome.

Thank you, Candace. That's I appreciate that. I tried to find the Are you on the deep fake one? Which one?

No, it's the one I put out last night of we were deprived. This man is our president. We deserved better. He deserved better.

" She threw a cross underneath. Like, let's go. That's amazing. Oh my gosh.

I lost it. I don't want to lose track of this. I was trying to find the deep fake one and it took me Dude, I know we have like I I I don't have that much time and I feel like we have barely even scratched the surf. We can do another one.

Like we should definitely How much time do you have left by the way? I I mean I'm already late to an event. So we can go for another 15 and I'll No, stop it. We It's hard to stop.

I don't want to I don't want to cut right now. We're good. Let's Let's keep going for 15 and cut it off. All right.

All right. And then I'll stay on too cuz I can I can play some stuff for everybody as well. All right. Uh Artifacts Memoir YouTube.

I promise you I'll come back. I promise. Yeah. And we're gonna we're going to get you, me, and Matt uh Matt Tutarone.

Uh subbed Mitchell. Good. Did you refresh it? What are you at now?

Oh god. Let me go check. Hang on. I'm I'm trying to I'm trying to tear down Paramount Tactical's lies.

I'm trying to like Dude, there's so much. Wait, what is he saying right now, bro? He's He's out here posting internal documents from Turning Point USA that go back from 2019. And I'm like, there's an indication that these people are working together.

You tell me this isn't a federal deep state coverup. the this dude who no one knew of outside of the Gun Tuber channel, right? Like is all of a sudden going to bat trying making it his life's mission to tear down Candace Owens. Excuse me.

Who are you? Why do you care? You never cared. I never heard your name once in the 13 years I was working for Turning Point USA.

You are irrelevant. Stop using this dude's death to to make yourself seem cooler than you are. You federal agent. You government contractor.

You are a documented government contractor. Yeah. Idiot. before he got the contract, he was uh it could not be a 30 out six cuz he's like the shirt movement doesn't make sense.

The no exit wound, the the entry wound doesn't look right. Um and then he was trying to explain the shirt movement with Charlie must have been wearing some sort of low viz uh ballistic vest and then he realized no, he wasn't wearing a vest and right when he was around that time frame then uh he switched sides and then you're like oh that's when you also got a contract. That's interesting. Yeah.

Oh my goodness, dude. Oh, wait. Did I read that? I said, "Thank you.

" Thank you, Brian. Um, we got, "Hi, Mitch. " Big love. I didn't actually meet I may have met him once, maybe in passing.

I don't know. Again, like the way Turning Point would work, it was very open. People would just come to the office. I was in productions.

We would were doing 20 point Live. It was kind of an experiment at the time. So, we would always have people kind of coming in and out to be guests on there. This is around the time Kyle Writtenhouse was a thing.

And Victor Marx became Kyle Written House's security guard. Did he really? They started a whole nonprofit together, brother. I just found this out the other day.

They started a whole nonprofit together. Go look that up. I will. And so I think that again, I'm a man of principle before I am a man of politics.

Right. The the principle is what guides my political party. Um. Yes.

And so I stand for justice before anything. And I watched these people do that with Kyle Writtenhouse and I was very happy for them to do that's why I supported them. That's why I worked there. Like these people lived out what they said then.

Now I'm watching these people do the exact opposite. Right. And Victor Marx is one of those people. Victor Marx has also admitted to killing people.

Yeah. Admitted it. And so I'm wondering now now that he is, you know, about to run for governor in Colorado, is there a sense in which he was promised that seat, you know, for whatever his potential role may have been in this assassination? Because we know he allegedly used to care for, you know, innocent until proven guilty.

He went to he went to Written House's defense real quick. They started I think they started a nonprofit together. I might be wrong. I don't want to get sued, but I I feel like I just looked that up last week.

Well, you could just say in your opinion to to the best of your knowledge. Um, I'm trying to find out. I thought did he win the prim or he won something. Victor Marks secured the Republican nomination for the governorship of Colorado.

So, but the general election has not yet taken place. So, but he's in the he's going to be in the general election. He made it into the next round. That sucks.

Um, that's not good for Colorado. Oh no. One of my mods lives in Colorado. Glenn, we got to get you out of there.

Um, while you [clears throat] look that up, I'm going to read this by Hey, you. 21 minutesUh, I bet the ex exit interview didn't find Charlie. Mostly they're conducted by HR and stop there. Yeah, but here's what's interesting.

Well, I have an interesting point, too. Say yours and I'll say mine. There was something that happened. I forget what it was.

Matthew Chucherone brought it up with Tyler Boyer. And Tyler Boyer made himself the HR guy during that so that he could fix that whole thing. There was like a article written about it. So I mean like Tyler Boyer could pull strings within Turning Point and Turning Point Action to like make things disappear to control things.

Go ahead. Um, yeah. And so like the guy I gave my exit interview to, I just recently saw a photo of him at the the founders ball that Turning Point had and I believe he was elevated to a position of director of some kind, right? And so again, going off the theory that I've had, which is like this company that was insulated with federal agents and then loyalists that didn't challenge, you know, the right things in the right way that were kind of acting like they did.

It very much kind of supports that belief. I'm 22 minutesalso trying to find out if he is the son of the Christian evangelist Eric Ericson because his name is Dylan Ericson and they their last name is spelled the exact same way. Um probably and I was incorrect. I guess I guess ATP Ministries was just started by Victor Marks not uh not Ken House.

Okay. I I want to correct myself there. There you go. That's good.

They use it to protect the company and against you if you ever want to be rehired. They have no rehire lists. Thank you. Hey you.

And then we got uh fact x or fact and fiction. We got uh please help us all learn how to get set up with new channel. Um I'm needing help spread truth and Christ Jesus also also. So if you take the under my name, it's in my artifacts memoir.

Just type that into YouTube. It should come up. I made the the handle the same. Perfect.

And then um I'm pretty sure Mystic threw it in just the regular chat, not the super chats, but the regular chat. And then we'll put it in 23 minutesthe branch description. I'll even post it on my um X as well. Oh, yeah, she did.

Yeah, she she Yeah, Candace uh Mystic just showed me she put uh Candace put the heart underneath you. That's dope, dude. That's good. All right, let's continue.

We got I don't I know you got a little bit of time left. e. the audio, microphones, chair, stage, shirt, etc. What do you think about the exploding mic hypothesis?

Yeah, there's a lot about that event that doesn't make sense to me as someone who's there. The uh the platform seems unreasonably high uh compared to any ones that we've used in the past. I've said this multiple times. I'll say it again for your audience.

We used to run occasionally 1 to two inch platforms that would give Charlie's chair about this much lift. Um, and in the photo that I've seen from behind, it looks to be about four to six inches higher, which was interesting to me and a cause for concern just normally. Um, the amount of people who were there that normally weren't there. Blake Nef never came to Tablings.

Andrew Kovette was there. He never was really sent out. Maybe he was occasionally. I don't know.

But again, it was very much Charlie, Mikey, security. It was a slim crew because we're traveling all the time across the country. You can't afford to pay for that many people's travel. So, the amount of people that were there to me was just insane.

Weird. I don't know why I don't know why Tara was there. I'm gonna say that again. He was at a previous event a long time ago.

He would he would come I I'll clarify this. He would come to events that we typically had in tandem with other events. So, what we would do is sometimes Charlie would go to a campus and he would host a tableling and then later that night we would have a speaking event. It was ticketed indoors and it was indoors and we had a guest speaker come whether it was a politician or somebody and Terl would help facilitate that setup while we were outside running the the cameras for the normal day.

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He would be in the in the arena kind of pre-loading stuff. We would come in after setup cams and go because it had to be that fast. Then for example in George or um Vegas we had a tableabling that morning. It was with uh director of national intelligence who just got fired.

Tulsi 25 minutesGabbard and um Charlie and Tulsi were there and we had the Trump rally in Vegas later that day. So Terrell's at the arena getting everything kind of set up, presetting things. He may have popped over to campus to grab a couple things and came back. So he was there, but it was very rare and it was only in specific events where he was there.

And so to have him there for like a normal tableabling felt very strange. The last one that I saw that Terrell actually stood and actually was part of like right there was back when Charlie didn't have integrity security solutions. It was it was it was a very Yeah, back when they were very Yeah. with Schaefer Group and so that was like in 21 or something like that.

Um yeah, it so there was a lot of anomalies that day. Did you answer your opinion on the mic thing or um the mic thing? Um um I don't know. I'm still working through a lot of that cuz I know a lot of these people personally.

And so for me, it's one of those things that challenges it breaks my brain in many ways. I've seen some videos that that again, I'm not going to deny what my eyes are showing me. Um that don't really add up, right? And um I have questions.

I don't necessarily believe anything one way or another because the implications of that would would kind of be heartbreaking and and earthshattering for me in many ways. Um, but again, anything's possible and and I'm not ruling anything out either. I just am kind of remaining focused on on what's happening at a deeper philosophical level for our nation and I don't want to get distracted by things like that because I feel like that's how those things are kind of being used to a certain degree. Um, at the same time though, I think we've learned a lot of truth from those kind of theories.

And so, I'm not saying to not pursue them either. I just think that like, you know, pick your fight. pick your fight and engage in it, I guess, and and don't get distracted. Well, and like um finding the how is important, but also right now we may never know like for verbatim like the how.

And I think also like with JFK, there's probably multiple hows. They probably were going to make sure that he never walked out of there alive and that there was probably a contingency for contingency for contingency. U but really focusing on the who and the why. um like Mitch was talking about earlier, I think is going to be um is really important.

Yeah. And again, it's like I I I for anyone who wants to label me like trying to destroy Charlie's legacy, I'm not. I'm using the same questions Charlie asked about JFK to approach his own assassination. And I think that if it was anyone else in the chair, whether it was Candace Owens or or even Ben Shapiro, like they would be asking the same questions who benefited the most.

Charlie himself would be tracing the fringe theories. He would not be trusting the state. He would not be trusting the evidence. um especially the evidence that up until this point is very questionable, especially in the age of AI where they can fake videos, they can fake photos.

Again, this is a litmus test on multiple levels and and they're testing, you know, how much they can get away with in my opinion. Yeah. Um I just want to say this, you guys, so like um Mitch was fired from Maricopa County for speaking out about the truth about Charlie Kirk. He's been going max online ever since.

Okay? He didn't do this for money. He's not doing this for recognition. And we have 4,000 people here.

We could get his YouTube channel like almost monetized in this moment. Just if everyone goes over and clicks the subscribe button, we can help get him on his way to being able to doing this um on a regular basis. And so I just wanted to make it to where everyone saw the spelling of it. Um, so it's at a r i f x and then capital m e m o r.

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I don't know how people are um they're they're there's a lot of fires in Canada right now. Like this whole thing it looked like the apocalypse yesterday. Like you couldn't go outside with all the the fires in Canada right now. All right, we got [snorts] uh Velon.

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Um All right. 30 minutesNext. And I want to be respectful of your time. I know we're almost at that 50-minute mark.

Christ King indeed. When did the Zionist pastors start to creep in after 2018? It was it was right around the stop the steel post 2020. And that's that's kind of the moment in my mind I go back to 2020 2021.

It's where I actually stepped out of the Charlie Kirk shell as an intern and then they brought in Mikey McCoy to kind of start supporting Charlie's day-to-day and that was right when Rob McCoy got in the picture. And the story that I've been told um is that Charlie needed someone Charlie was already meeting with Rob McCoy. Charlie needed someone to take him to the airport. Mikey did it and it was kind of on that drive that Charlie and Mikey talked and Mikey and Charlie kind of just you know became friends, started working together.

That's kind of what kicked it all off. That's the story I was told and heard. I don't know the legitimacy of it could be complete. I don't know.

There are a lot of stories in Turning Point that may or may not be true because we didn't hear him from Charlie. We've heard him from them. We've heard him from Erica, you know. We don't Yeah.

Yeah. And um yeah, we can talk again. I'll give you kind of my story on that and we can again break it down later or not if you want to. I'm happy to come back.

I didn't realize it's been two and a half hours already. Like this is has been great. Um, yeah, and I'm happy to come back whenever and would love uh would love to learn again how you might be able to just give me some perspective on this. 100%.

Um, so it's been 15. I'm going to let you sign off. Okay. All right, brother.

I appreciate it. Um, I know this went I we we got to come back. I uh we will we will do this again for sure. But no, this was great.

And I'm gonna I'm gonna continue on tonight, you guys. So, please stay on. But if you haven't Wait, we didn't even we didn't even get to the video. We got to get to the video.

We got to do that. We got We got to at least get through that for a little bit. All right. All right.

Cool. All right. Let's do that then. I'll get to the super chats after.

So, we're going to listen to this video. Uh, this is Charlie Kirk. What was the date on this? I think it was November 13th, 2023.

It was back in November 2023. Um, so here's the article. Charlie Kirk defends Elon Musk's anti-semitism. Some of the largest financeers of left-wing anti-white causes have been Jewish Americans.

Kirk. Uh, it is wrong and repulsive to call a great man Elon Musk an anti-semite. Uh, it cheapens the label of anti-semitism. It is not good for anybody.

And then here the artist formerly known as Eric uh writes uh okay, Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of uh dialectical uh hatred against the against whites that they claim to that they claim to want people to stop using against them. I'm deeply disinterested in giving the tiniest [clears throat] Yeah, I I'll read it you guys. the tiniest [ __ ] now about Western Jewish populations coming to the disturbing realization that those hordes of uh minorities that support flooding their country don't exactly like them too much. You want truth uh said to your 33 minutesface.

There it is. All right. " And then here we go. We got Charlie.

All right. Across the country, honored to be with you. You can email us as always. com and subscribe to our podcast.

Excellent event last evening in Reno, Nevada. It's great to see so many of you. I cannot emphasize enough the win for liberty, the win for humanity that the liberation of Twitter has meant for all of us. It's remarkable.

Liberating Twitter from what it once us was to what it is now is a win for the narrative. It's a win for truth. It's a win as we try to fight back against this uniarty regime, the tyrants and the authoritarian dictators that are running the country. Elon Musk, even if they shut down Twitter today, will go down as a major hero for allowing us to be able to speak, to question narratives, to get the truth out.

Elon Musk got himself in a little bit of trouble yesterday. Elon Musk responded to a tweet that I actually don't think the tweet is that smart. I think one part of it is legit, but I think another part of it is not so great. But the essence of what Elon was responding to is a major thought crime in America that the world's wealthiest man would comment on this is historic.

So, here's the tweet and it's responding to a video. And the video was basically uh a white father with his white son saying to his son, "Hey, you think that, you know, you're posting online all this anti-semitic stuff? " Pretty powerful advertisement. This is the ad.

Okay, it's about a minute long. It's a powerful ad. And then a person on Twitter responded to this advertisement and then Elon responded to the person responding to the advertisement. It's important.

Bear with us because right now Elon Musk is being targeted like never before. Elon Musk was supposed to speak at a summit today and he has been cancelled. They don't want to hear from Elon Musk because they are taring and feathering him as an anti-semite. They've come after this program for calling us anti-semmites.

They're coming after Elon Musk for calling they're calling him an anti-semite. So here's the advertisement. It's a powerful ad. Play cut 79.

I saw what you've been posting. Hitler was right. I didn't teach you that. You hide behind your screen spewing all this hatred and ugliness.

You got something you want to say? Get out of the truck and say it to their faces. We got to pump those numbers up. Yeah.

And I just want to point out right here, it says uh this is paid for by the Foundation to Combat Anti-semitism. It's now known as the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate, and it was created by Robert Craft, the owner of the New England Patriots. All right, I'm going to keep playing because he's going to go on. Okay, so that that advertisement then was responded to by this person, the artist formerly known as Eric.

Quote, "Okay, Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them. I am deeply in disinterested in giving the tiniest swear word, let's just say tiniest crap now about Western Jewish populations coming to the disturbing realization that those hordes of minorities that support flooding their country don't exactly like them too much. You want truth said to your face, there it is. Now, let me just say this is not this is not a very well-ritten tweet.

I said it's very confusing. I'll go through what they're basically saying here. Half of this tweet is true, half of it I don't like. You want the truth said to your face.

There it is. " Now, we don't know what part Elon is saying is the actual truth. So, let's go through this. Again, it's it's double negatives and misuse of the word disinterested.

It's a strange tweet that Elon pinpointed on here, but the first part is absolutely true. Let's go to this. Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them. Now, I don't like generalizations.

Not every Jewish person believes that, but it is true the Anti-Defamation League was part and parcel with Black Lives Matter. It is true that some of the largest financeers of left-wing anti-white causes have been Jewish Americans. They went all in on woke. And it wasn't just ADL.

It was some of the top Jewish organizations in the country that have done that. In fact, we have seen this with the recent retreat of Jewish donations that are no longer um going to be administered to colleges, right? Mark Rowan, Leon Copperman. Can we get that full list?

It's very powerful. The part of the So, that's totally true. And by the way, Tucker Carlson reinforces this. So, I'm going to kind of It was quite a day on the internet.

Tucker Carlson was uh interviewing Candace Owens. We have Candace Owens coming up next hour. And Tucker Carlson mentions that uh Jewish Americans have primarily been financing cultural Marxist ideas. We said this, by the way, last week and people came after us.

We came, we actually said it in a different way. " And people misunderstood it intentionally and slandered us as being anti-semmites. But listen to this. Tucker Carlson is completely correct by saying this, that the philosophical foundation of anti-whitness has been largely financed by Jewish donors in the country.

Play cut 92. However, then I thought, well, wait a second. If the biggest donors at say Harvard have decided, well, we're going to shut it down now. Where were you the last 10 years when they were for white genocide?

You were allowing this. And then I found myself really hating those people actually that you're okay with that. On what grounds were you okay with that? And I this is what I've been trying to explain to the pro-Israel lobby that what you are seeing as lack of support is people that are asking the question is where were you as we have endured all of this.

You were paying for it actually. You were paying for it. You were you were paying for it. You were calling my children immoral for their skin color.

You paid for that. So why shouldn't I be mad at you? I don't understand. So what what Tucker is saying is similar to part of the tweet that Elon isolated that is true that let's just say liberals but that includes Jewish f financeers of liberal causes didn't really care about University of Chicago having courses that saying you know the problem with whiteness.

They didn't really care about American Express saying that we must eliminate whiteness. They didn't. In fact, they were supportive of it. A lot of liberals were okay with critical race theory, diversity, equity, inclusion.

ADL went allin on the BLM type narrative. And ADL is one of many different organizations that were perfectly fine with the growing anti-white wave. Now, to be clear, many of these Jews did not fully understand what they were financing. Their intentions were probably pretty good.

As we've said, intentions mean next to nothing here. Now, I'm sure some of the intentions weren't so good, but let's just intentions aside, I'm not that interested in intentions. I'm interested in actions. Okay, intentions are very hard to pinpoint.

We get too caught up in the conservative movement on intentions. I learned this from the great Dennis Prager, who says, "Stop focusing on intentions. Focus on the actions. " intentions.

As I've said before, and there's a video that went viral, the Nazis thought they were doing good. They convinced themselves that they were doing good when in reality they were doing some of the greatest evil in the history of the species. So again, Hamas thinks they're doing good. I I could go through all this, but they're doing evil.

So I I I'm not convinced that somebody's intentions are what matter. Many Jewish financeers culturally given money to George Washington University, Colombia, Yale, Dartmouth over and over and over again, hundreds of millions of dollars, billions of dollars, financing many nonprofits that many of them are now recognizing and realizing this was a bad idea. So, I'm going to build this out because the second part of the tweet I don't like and it ties into some news that is not so good for AOC. It's not good for Ayanna Presley.

I'm going to isolate that in just a second. But let me just say before I talk about my Patriot Supply, it is sloppy. It is shallow. It is wrong and repulsive to call a great man Elon Musk an anti-semite.

It cheapens the label of anti-semitism. It is not good for anybody. And that was it. All right, let me pull it off.

Yeah, I think that uh I think that's the clip that uh they don't want you to remember. That's that's that's the moment in time that everybody on Twitter who right now is telling you to trust the government, to not question things, to not ask why. That's the moment they want you to forget. I've been trying to find that clip for We found it right before we went live.

I don't I don't think you guys realize how like impactful this was before we went live. I'm glad we're kind of ending on this. At least we can go for another 15. We'll we'll we'll cut it at three for me.

Um this this is what I feel like people are missing. And I put out a tweet the other day that that amplifies this a little bit. And it it said, you know, first they came for Candace Owens and I did nothing. Then they came for Tucker and I did nothing.

And they came for Joe Kent and I did nothing. And it wasn't until I spoke out publicly uh and got blocked by Tyler Boyer, who I've known for 13 years, that I realized like this, you know, they're going to come for you, too. I forget how I said it. go find it.

But like playing off, you know, the rhetoric that was used back then, um, as Charlie indicated there, many people can convince themselves that what they are doing is right, is just, is in line with God when in reality they are they are advocating for evil. And I think that's what we are in the middle of. I think it is very deceptive. I think that what we have seen from the Israel lobby, the Jewish community, however Charlie himself labeled it, again, I'm not using these labels because again, Charlie said it all first.

So whatever you want to label me, you are inadvertently labeling Charlie. I'm not saying anything that he didn't say. And so, you know, I think what's most interesting here is we look at how, as Charlie indicated, they've pushed this anti-white rhetoric. They've pushed all this kind of stuff, right?

But on the same time, they're also funding the same causes that that work to, you know, they're very heavily influenced in conservatism as well. So, they're playing both sides to end up on top to funnel us down into what end? Again, I don't care about the means as much as I care about the end. Um, and that's what I'm going to be writing about in my book.

I think that it traces back to the reconstruction of Germany, the foundation of the nation state of Israel, the idea of never again, the idea of denying humanity the truth that we all know existed that was rewritten in the wake of World War II. And um, it's up to us to get to the bottom of it. And, um, we will eventually. I think it's just it's just going to take time.

and and and people such as Candace Owens and myself and and Tucker Carlson and and yourself even just continuing to add this pressure and and speaking truth to power. Again, I didn't want to be here. I want to emphasize that again. I'm not doing this because I want to be famous.

I don't enjoy this. It's it's uncomfortable for me. Um but I'm doing it because it's where I feel like God is is I feel like he's had me in all the right places for this moment, oddly enough. And uh at this point, I I'm not going to do what I want to do, which is, you know, run and hide.

I'm just going to I'm just going to trust what God is putting on my heart and that is to speak up and and hold people accountable for for falsehoods and and blatant dishonesty when they themselves are the ones claiming to be Christian and stand for Christ. I I just I can't let it happen anymore. But that clip, guys, I want you to just please share that far and wide. Send it to your family.

Send it to your friends. Put it in every every tweet that these liars put out because we know now that this is the reason. We know that this is why it it discredits every statement that these people put out going forward until Elon Musk and everyone else addresses this there. You're all like invalid, discredited.

I'm sorry. And they were already discredited when they lied to the public and amplified that. But but this just further emphasizes it. They are working to disinform you intentionally to keep you away from this issue.

And it's why not a single one of them has responded to me because they know once they do, they're going to open up a can of worms that they can't close. Just like with Charlie, he was on every campus. He knew that this Israel issue, the cat's out of the bag. You're not you're not going to put it back in without force.

And that's the thing. People think that we can still change things in this country just by talking about them. I think Charlie kind of proved that that that that is over. And they're now trying to force things, right?

It's going to it it it will come to a boiling point eventually. It's a matter of what and when and what it will take for people to recognize that this is where we're at until it's too late. It might we might get to that point where we lose the opportunity to. I don't know, right?

I don't know what that moment is. We have to pray and and reflect and and work together to think about those things and and and recognize the implications of a lot of that, too. And and you know, it it it's not it's not easy. It's very complex.

It's not going to be pretty, but but you know, it it's it's a part of it that I feel like people don't want to talk about. And that's what makes this whole moment so deceptive, so important, and that's why I'm doing what I'm doing. Yeah. I think that so much hinges on um this moment.

The future of their ability to control us um is kind of like there's so much uh writing on this moment. It seems they've put so much into this moment that it's [snorts] like tied to something down the line and it's so much bigger than we probably even realize. Um, and I don't know if you guys know that like these Zionists, uh, they were breeding special cows in Texas, red heers, and they've already shipped them to Israel so that when some accidental stray missile blows up the Dome of the Rock, and they can rebuild the third temple, which they need to do for their Messiah. But we already know their Messiah is actually our Messiah.

He already came. And so they're going to use these heers to consecrate and to cleanse the temple mount so they could rebuild the third temple. Um, and I don't know how some of these Christians like support that. It's just like I don't Well, and the funny thing is is you noticing that they'll try and label you an anti-semite for just for for for just witnessing something happen and commenting on it.

Again, that is it's it's a it's a kind of laughable example of it, but it it gets down to the root of where this ends, right? People start with things as silly as labeling a but then it it's going to get as serious as criticizing your government and who they make deals with will land you in prison or or dead. It it will because that's how fascist dictatorships work. That's what Charlie said in that clip himself.

Right. I'm not I'm not saying anything the man himself didn't say. The problem is the the people that he put in power that he trusted to uh uproot the the tyrants have become the tyrants. It's it goes back to Trump's thing where he said, "I was once the hunted.

" Right? except he's [clears throat] taking that a little bit too far, I feel like, and and not hunting the things that we all elected him to hunt, which is the deep state and and and and illegal immigrants and uh and and fixing this country for us. He's he's he's I don't know, Israel's hitman and and just BB's uh BB's personal assassin. I don't know like like the whole thing it's so transparently obvious to me that that the people now who are backing the fed slop argument you guys are all enemies of the state and this this fake political war that you've put in front of us we are aware of the spiritual implications of it and when we do take this country back willing Christ on our side you guys love touching the wall so much we're going to make you face it like I promise you that much like I I do like I do trust me um because that's because that's what they want to do to us and uh it's it's it's just it's right and and again they love to touch the wall so much let's see how much they actually do.

We're not going to put any grass outside for you either because Erica loves to say and so does Andrew that everyone needs to go touch grass. We'll just make it's all concrete for you guys. It's going to be nice marble stone. The red will flow.

It's going to be great. I can't wait. Heather has issues. God bless you both, Mitch and Matt.

Um I'm in awe of your bravery. Yeah. Thank you, Heather. Uh awesome, Matt.

Love your show. Hugs, Patricia. 51 minutesThank you, Patricia. So, we got uh Artifacts Memoir is his YouTube channel, guys.

Yes, it is. Thank you for putting that there. Um, and then we got J Roller. Matt, I love your show and listen to it regularly.

Just a suggestion. When you have guests on, add their name next to yours on the bottom of the screen. Great guest, by the way, and great job. Well, I'll have to tell my brother-in-law to do that actually because get a little lower third working.

Well, I have the lower third. Here it is. But this is and get an adjustable one you can change based on that. Yeah.

Yeah, we got a where we could add it in last minute. Um, that's a good suggestion. Thank you. And then we got here we go.

We got I know. Well, Reita, uh, I know you didn't want to be here and this this was not your plan. This is clearly God's plan and God always provides for those who truly serve Christ. This is a spiritual war and a Christ revolution.

100% agree. I couldn't agree more. Then we got Ray Marie. Go watch John Aaron Bray work on the explosion, Mike.

And he says that there was a gunshot to trigger the explosion by the frequency sound passing the tent. Yes, John Bray's been on the show like four times. Five. No, for sure.

And I'm sure that that stuff exists. And again, I I love the work that people have been doing there. I'm not trying to sit here and discredit it. My whole thing is like I don't want to get focused on that.

I I want to remain focused on the government, holding the people accountable, the things that Charlie was doing right before his death because if not they're going to lie and deceive the general public and then by then it'll be too late, right? And so again, keep up the pressure, keep doing that. I'm coming at this from a personal kind of philosophical historical level that I think a lot of people are missing. Um and I don't think that either of us are doing wrong.

So I respect the work everyone's done. Yeah, everyone is different. Everyone's bringing a different um uh their own expertise to this, right? And you know, what uh Mitch is bringing to 53 minutesit is totally different than what John has brought to it and others that have brought to it in different ways.

Um but we're all going to be contributing to this as a whole. And that's why I think we all we're all doing different things, right? It's just like um we're the body of Christ, but like we're different parts. So together we can take them down, though.

That's the thing, right? Uh Mitch insight on Terrell Farnsworth working for who's TB? Tyler Boyer. Oh, okay.

Yeah. Yeah. They've known each other. The Mormon Mafia is real and I think it should be investigated.

And the Mormon church operates as a business and I think that much of their business framework has been applied to Turning Point USA. Uh it's just my personal belief, personal assumption. Um and I think that they were friends long before Turning Point. I know that Ter just so happened to kind of fall into the position, right?

Just like I did as a as a camera guy dude who loves media, right? This wasn't like anything that I feel like they, you know, intentionally, you know, conspired for two decades to, you know, build like no, I think this was something that just happened over time and and as we see, people get in over their heads and they make choices one way or another. I don't know any of that. I just know that they go back ways.

They're both Mormon and that should be considered. Yeah. I mean, I think it's telling that in Tyler's own admission, he says that when he saw Charlie Kirk, he said, "That's a guy I can hitch my wagon to," which is a selfish self. Send me that clip, please.

Oh my goodness. Yeah. Yeah, I got it. I'll send it to Oh, that makes my blood boil, bro.

That means like he saw Charlie as a means to an end saying about the intelligence. They saw him as an asset. They saw him as a tool to get us here. To get us here.

Yep. So, I don't care about the mic as much as I care about how his life was used and who used it and who betrayed him, who lied to me, who lied to Charlie, who lied to all these good-hearted people who were expecting you to act one way when the hour of crisis came and now we're here and you're not. That's what it comes down to for me. Yeah.

I'm going to send it to and you're going to blow it up on X. Um, here we go. We got uh Christ is king indeed. It's not all the time, but it's every time.

[laughter] I was reading that as it came up on my monitor screen. You're a good little pattern noticer. who are. That was a good one.

Mystic, thank you for the gifted 10 Blackline brief memberships. Then we have uh Orion just became a member. And then we have this last one. We're all caught up and then we can let Mitch go.

Protect Mitch at all costs. So much of Charlie's heart comes through in your words. Proud of and praying for you. Thank you.

I appreciate that 100%. 100%. And let's check where you're at right now. Let me hit refresh.

We are at Dude, you're at 441 and climbing. That's so cool. Wow. Again, I didn't even I created it last night.

I put the profile picture up as we were here. So, that's later um I I'm going to send you I'll download this video. This video is already going to be at like a ridiculous amount. We've had 4,000 people people here the whole time.

I need to send it to you so that you can start earning uh those watch hours. You need to get watch hours. Um and I'll send it to you when I'm done. I'll download it and send it to you.

I should go grab my appearance from Studio the other night, too. Just throw that out. I should just go grab all of them. Just Yeah.

Let people listen to him. He He filmed his on Rumble and you just got to make sure he doesn't have an exclusive agreement with Rumble, which I I can still clip it though if I need to. Yeah, [clears throat] you can. All right.

Yeah. No, I very much enjoyed this. This was uh this was a lot of fun and I think that the more we do this, the more we're just going to again I don't have a smoking gun and I don't I hope people aren't waiting for that necessarily, right? I'm not sitting over here kind of gaming this out.

There is one thing I'm kind of holding on to and I'll reveal that when it's right. That's like the only thing outside of that. I'm I'm I'm in this for, you know, the the reasons I've described up until this point. And um I think the more that we just have these kind of conversations openly, honestly, reflect on the past, um reflect on the present, compare the two, I think, you know, we'll start to expose these people for who they truly are.

And and you know, innocent people don't act the way that Blake Knap is acting in Twitter spaces right now. I'm sorry. They don't. He sounds afraid.

He sounds scared. And they're slipping up. As as Charlie said best, again, I always go back to my friend's words. Charlie said best with Kyle Renhouse.

media machine um has showed has showed us its power, but they do have vulnerabilities and and we are seeing those vulnerabilities right now as well. You know, history doesn't change. You just have to you just have to look at it and know how to use it. And uh and Christ is king and we will win and and these these demons are using politics to wage a spiritual war.

And the more we talk about that openly, hopefully the more people we will wake up from that because I truly feel like we are living in the matrix right now. And uh and when I saw Candace start Matrix posting, I was like, we are we're in this and we're on the right side of it and and I'm happy to be here and I thank you all for your support. So Matt, yeah, please again I I yeah, I would love to get a financial thing set up because I am kind of struggling right now, but we'll figure it out and uh that would be great. Yeah, please.

Um I do have to run. I'm like an 58 minuteshour late to a birthday party. So um I will get out of here and we will chat more soon. Thank you all very much again for your time.

I love you. God bless and we'll talk soon. All right. Later, man.

All right, you guys. Uh, let me get to the next super chat that came in. I have some things I want to show you. Don't take off, y'all.

I still have a good show planned. Um, and me and Mitch are going to do more. We just barely scratched the surface, you guys. If I could show you, I have like so many notes and things that we had prepared.

Um, but in an, you know, in a live scenario like this, um, you also kind of have to just go with the flow and allow, uh, everything to happen naturally. U, at least for me, that's how I how I run my, um, I don't know, interviews. They're not I'm not really like interviewing, you know, it's kind of just having a conversation in front of everybody. And yes, I have questions that, um, I created and a couple that I know some people sent in, but um, we'll get to those next time if we didn't get them answered.

Also, Matthew Tuteron and Mitch and myself are planning a collab live together um next week. Hopefully Wednesday. It might be another day um depending on Mitchell's availability. Um and I'll let you guys know about that because that'll be really good.

They both both of them around um their time within so for Matthew Tuteroni it was turning point action for for Mitchell it was TPUSA but both of them on their own they didn't know each other while they were in okay they've only come to really get connected on X after the fact through seeing each other's posts on about like you all need to look into Tyler Ber there's a lot of weird stuff Tyler Ber needs to be investigated. Um, have they started to communicate? Um, but getting them together in a show together, I think, will be beneficial for one another and for all of us and for the community. So, I'm excited for that.

I'm 3 hourssure Charlie is smiling on you. Uh, finally, truth. Yeah, I think that was for Mitchell, right? Probably.

Kathy, thank you for that. All right, let's see. Um, where? Hold on.

Let me get to what I want to pull up. We already saw that one. We saw the ad. He played the ad during the live or um Charlie played the that What did you guys think about that ad?

Um the one that was in that expost where it's like that father and son. I thought it was extremely manipulative. Um, and yeah, here is Robert Craft's Wikipedia with um the Blue Square Alliance, which used to be uh where is it? It used to be called the Foundation to Combat Anti-semitism.

It was formed in 2019 by Robert Craft, who is the, you know, owner of the New England Patriots. Um, so I found that interesting that he's the one that paid for that. Uh, let's see. If anyone hadn't seen it from before, this is Artifacts Memoir's page on YouTube.

He doesn't have any videos yet, but I'm going to help him get set up so that he can start posting videos. We got him to 458 subscribers. That's amazing. I think we could get even more.

Um, I want to show you. I think I need to back up just a smidge. Let's see where he answers. This is Governor Cox.

This is just after um Tyler supposedly turns himself in. Uh listen to what he says. Correct. Yes.

Yes. So, um, so when he's first spotted on campus, he has different clothing on and then he changes clothing on the roof and then changed back into that clothing at some point so that when when he was uh when he was apprehended when he when he was arrested. What's that, Governor Cox? What's that?

Say that again. He changed on the roof. Hold up. Hold up.

You liar. You liar. You lie. Why do you lie, governor?

And Cash Patel's back there pretty much with an invisible gun to your heads making sure you say the right thing. Also, parts of this have been edited out. So, there is stuff missing. So, this one's longer.

Let's do this one. Let me pause. Hold on. Um, this is the after.

Oh, that's right. The before one is going to be the really, 3 minutesreally junky. Um, uh, so, okay, here's a couple things. This is how clear the one that they showed in court is.

It's not as grainy as what we saw. So, there was some degradation with them filming a screen played in court. All right. Um, this is the original surveillance video from the roof from that day, but you'll see that at once they zoom in, this is as close as it is naturally.

Okay? So, there's no way they see him pull out a rifle. There's no way they see him assemble a rifle, shoot the rifle, muzzle flash, recoil. They don't see that.

Okay? And the more you zoom in on this footage, the worse the quality gets. All right. Also, when they played this video and then they played the before part of this video in court, there is time missing.

Ask yourself why. If Well, first of all, let me go back here real quick and then I'm going to play it. Do you guys remember the stairwell footage of Eagle Boy? Right.

So, [snorts] they're what what Governor Cox is trying to imply right there. And I don't know why. They're saying that Tyler Robinson walked on campus to shoot Charlie Kirk in the maroon shirt, in the shorts, and in the Converse. And that once he got to the roof, they're saying he changed into the black uh eagle shirt, long pants, hat, and glasses.

I don't know why he said this right here. I have no clue why that they said he changed into those clothes on the roof. It would have to be those clothes. Those are the clothes that he's wearing when he jumps off the roof.

And then when he turns himself in, he's supposedly back in either the shorts. No, he's in pants this time. He's in pants, Converse, and the maroon shirt. So, hm.

But even the before footage that they show in court and this footage that they showed initially, he you don't see anyone changing. And if they did have him changing in the footage, why wouldn't they have showed that in court? Why wouldn't they have showed that to us in the beginning? Why is their footage missing at all?

Uh it doesn't make sense. Why did Governor Cox lie? Right. Uh because his lips are moving and that's just what they do.

So, this is as notice as we scooted in, it got a little bit more blurry. Okay. And then we're going to scoot in even more. Or is this as close as it gets?

I think it scoots in a little bit more as he gets close to the corner. Yep. And see it gets even more blurry. See how it makes the pixels are bigger.

Okay. It gets everything more pixelated the closer they zoom in. This did not make things more clear. All right, it made it less clear.

Look, it it looks like you're looking through gas fumes, right? Or you're looking through water. See what it does to like edges? The definition is gone.

That's not a rifle in his hand. It's like a shirt. It's like a jacket. It's like a towel or something.

There's nothing There's nothing solid or fixed in there. I don't see anything solid or fixed. It just flopped on the ground. Okay.

But see that he's wearing this is the clothing that they're saying he changed into on the roof. But this is the same clothing. Well, at least it looks like from from here. His pants, black shirt, long sleeve shirt, hat, and a black backpack.

That's what it looks like to me. All right. Um, so Governor Cox freaking lied. Why did you lie, Governor Cox?

Um, the clothing matched the clothing he had on before the shooting here at UVU. Last question here. Yes. And that's what he's saying before the shooting, not the stairwell footage that matches what he was wearing on the roof.

He's talking about the maroon shirt, shorts, and Converse. Yeah. So, um, I I I I don't have any information on the mental illness part. He was not a student here at UVU.

Uh, all I really wanted to play was that one part of that. Here, let's check this out. This is Tyler Ber just after the assassination. This is Tyler Boyer, September 20 uh 22nd, 2025.

Let's hear straight from the horse's mouth to talk about his close friend Charlie Kirk. You're one of Charlie's closest friends. You guys really came through the ranks together. You joined in 2015, I believe.

Yep. Yep. I met Charlie in 2014. Um, how are you doing, first of all?

Uh, we're doing good. Uh, you know, obviously, all things considered, uh, we're it's been a week unlike anything else. I think the hardest part is kind of losing, you know, the the person that you would consider one of your closest friends, one of your closest allies. At the same time, the person that helps you run all the business.

Uh that everyone looks up to you. Obviously, we're seeing the the flooding of prayers, and we're feeling it. All of our people are feeling it, but we're hanging in there. How is Erica doing?

Erica is great. Remarkably strong. Yeah, she has been so brave throughout this whole thing and and and quite honestly an inspiration for all of us. She's been very protective of the kids and I I want to clear something up because we have not gotten a clear answer.

Were the kids there? No, they were not. No. Were they?

No. No. No. But everyone lied in the beginning and said she was to help uh you know propel that emotional asset, grief, sympathy component to it.

Okay. So, yeah, there's been a lot of rumor mill stuff online probably by you um with all of that. They were not um were praying so hard for for his children. Of course, we kissed goodbye that morning and he left that morning to fly to Utah for that rally.

That's right. Um Tyler, we don't know that actually. So, I don't know why Tyler is saying he kissed his kids goodbye. Um, that would mean if that's true, that's Hold on.

Let me You guys, Erica said that he left without saying goodbye to her, without kissing her goodbye. So, if Charlie kissed Gigi and Matt goodbye, that means I think I'm right. And there was a fight with Erica the night before. Cuz if he Gigi is sleeping in the bed with Erica, Charlie takes [snorts] a shower in the 10 minutesother bathroom.

He walks into the master bedroom to get his necklace and his ring. And if Tyler's right, that means Charlie kissed Gigi next to Erica, didn't say goodbye to Erica, didn't kiss her, goes and kicks kisses Mac and then leaves. But I don't even know how Tyler would know if he kissed Mac. Mac is uh at the time one and a half.

He's in a crib. He's in a different room. So that must have come from Erica. So I guess like I don't know.

What can you believe when that when that woman says it, you know? But it it would make it more weird, that's for sure. Just keeps getting weirder. Hold on.

Let's see what popped up. Um, did I read this one? I'm sure Charlie's smiling. I did this one.

What up, Matt? What up, fake Blake? I don't like it when I see that, man. You You get me nervous every time I see that, bro.

I don't like it. You should change your profile photo and your name to something else. [laughter] Uh, Christ is king indeed. Uh, became a member today.

Thank you for becoming a member. Are you and the real bay cool now? Uh, no. Nope.

All right, let's continue. Most of us know Charlie through these interactions with kids on college campuses. Can you fill in the picture of Charlie the person? Who you see uh online is exactly who Charlie was behind the scenes.

I met Charlie, you know, basically just coming into young manhood and coming out of his teenage years. Uh, and ever since day one, I have ever met Charlie. He has been a person that's endearing, cares very much, very the most passionate person you'll ever meet. I've I've turned down a lot of political jobs in my life.

I never thought I'd actually end up working in politics because so many people were just difficult to work for. It's an ugly business. It's It's awful. And when I met Charlie, yeah, you're the one that lives in it.

You like back swim in it. You're doing the breaststroke in it, bro. What are you talking about? It's awful.

All right. And I was just telling the story at ASU. I flew out to meet Charlie. It was -10° in Chicago.

I flew Spirit Airlines. He put me on Spirit Airlines to to go meet him. Uh we stayed in a holiday in Express. Uh but through all of that shine through just this incredibly passionate young man who wanted to do what was right by the conservative movement.

0 era out of favor at that point. Yeah. Conservatives just were kind of lost and didn't really know how to engage and how to talk to the public and and young people in particular college campuses were basically just completely wiped clean of anything that had two sides to a story. And Charlie had this this vision and this passion to be able to go there and do it.

And it was easy for me as a young guy that was coming out of college here at ASU to to want to join up and and help spread that message. So the vision from the get-go was let's go right into the belly of the beast, so to speak. That's right. And engage these kids.

How how Charlie died was exactly the way that he started, which was going right in. All right. Actually, so the one I think I want to see is here. Is he wearing the same outfit?

Is this the same day? Hold on. Is that this shirt? Hold on.

No, it's a different shirt. All right. I'm pretty sure this is where he says, and I need to send this one to Artifacts. This is where he says I could hitch my wagon to Charlie Kirk.

Hello everyone. My name is Tyler CO. 14 minutesI'm gonna apologize right now for the volume. It's in a stadium and it's the speak move.

[applause] Thank you. We love Charlie. I want to start today by telling the joke that I heard Charlie Curt tell about 1 million times before he spoke before an audience. Does anybody here know it?

Think you know it? So, pretend I'm Charlie for a second. I'm Charlie Durk. I'm from Illinois.

We believe in terms. One term in office, one term in jail. " And there's definitely more people that live here than we had in our first event. There's more people here, to be honest.

And I'm a devil. You know you're a devil. That's for sure. All right.

I want to just tell you real quick a story about meeting Charlie. There we go. I want to tell you about how I met Charlie. How we ended up here in Arizona.

Yep. Here it is. I met Charlie Kirk in 2014. We uh we worked he he talked me into taking a subminimum wage job.

Oh, you didn't like that, did you? My wife's here somewhere. She she wasn't really excited about that at the time, but uh had two kids, really young kids. Uh taking a minimum wage job.

He put me on the flight, the Spirit Airlines flight. I know that that that's where the killer usually was, but I went to ASU, so I don't give a [ __ ] And I showed up and it was -10° in Chicago at a holiday express. So, you kind of layer all these things together. You start to see this beautiful picture turning point in the early days.

Uh, but I walked into that that Holiday Express and I spent what would become three days with Charlie and I spent just a couple hours oneonone with Charlie Kirk. And this is before anyone knew who Charlie was. And I was surrounded by actual conservatives, activists much like this group, surrounded by conservative activists that actually cared about the movement and wanted to do this. And I looked at Charlie and I spent those few hours that I had with Charlie in that first first encounter at 10° outside Chicago.

Didn't know what the heck I was doing. And I walked away from that going, I can pitch my wagons to this guy. There it is. 318.

I got you, buddy. Sending this to Artifix. Yep. I can hitch my wagon to you, buddy.

That's not a positive thing. All right. Not in my opinion. All right.

Like, just think about the like the context of what like just visualize that, right? I'm going to hitch my wagon to you. You're pulling my wagon. I'm going to load my wagon up full of stuff off of your hard work.

You're going somewhere that I can't go on my own. Okay? My wagon would stay right here. But if I hitch it to you, my wagon goes where you go.

Now, I get to benefit off of you. That's how I understand that statement. Tell me if I'm wrong. All right.

All right. I don't want to hear any more from that total tool. Um, all right. Now, we're going to go to the end of the day Charlie Kirk clips because we're already at .

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Okay. All right. Let's watch Charlie because people are she she's working on winning an election. Oh, winning an election.

So, just tell the voters what they want, right? I think that if you want to win an election, you have to sometimes compromise on the things that you originally believed in. She realized that it was not a productive policy when she was running in 2020 and she didn't get the nomination. So, she backstapped and it's okay for people to change their opinions when they've learned more.

What is her greatest accomplishment? Uh, she's had a record number of uh tiebreaking votes in the Senate of any vice president ever. What What's the greatest legislative accomplishment you point to? I don't have No, but the tiebreaking vote.

Tell me one tiebreaking vote. Oh, I wish I had this on the top of my head, but I don't. I have another question for you. No, but I'm curious about her achievements.

Of course, parents can't abuse their kids, but I do believe in parents rights. Yes. But tell me this. So, No.

No. I'm asking you question nationwide. Yes. Of course, we should ban critical race theory from public funded schools rights.

No. Okay. Again, I'm happy to That's backwards. Well, hold on.

Do you think that we should teach eugenics in our that she's being pushed one way or the other because people All right, it clicked to the next one. Let me go to the next clip here. I think we've seen this one. Why is it that when Trump was president, an average house you could get at $75,000 combined income a year, now it's $130,000 a year?

Why is that? So, I will say that I don't agree with everything that Camala Harris stands for and I'm not that knowledgeable about it. That's why I'm having the debate so I can learn. But I also don't agree with Trump.

So, on on what though? What I just don't [cheering] Can Can you give me Stop! Boo me. I'm not Don't No, guys, [screaming] don't for No, please.

Don't poo. Don't Please don't boo. What's your name? Taylor.

Taylor, thank you for coming up. Can you give me two things that you don't agree with Trump on? Or would you like Do you see how respectful Charlie was? Other people were booing her and he wanted her to be able to be heard, for her to feel like she's not going to be heckled and made fun of.

He really wanted to debate ideas, not personalities. Um, he he was, you know, an amazing man. Me to try to win you over for Trump. So, you're not going to be able to do that, but I appreciate it.

Well, then you're not open-minded. Um, so, well, first of all, if you say that there's nothing you agree, so what? Yeah. If there's nothing that he could say, like at least keep open the possibility that there might be something there might be information that you don't know yet and that if you heard that information, it might sway your opinion that says if you come into a country, you're given amnesty and you disagree.

I don't, by the way, if they're if they're doing jobs, more the reason to kick them out because those should be jobs given to Americans. But the job market is higher now than it has ever been. The stock market is higher now than it has ever. Let's let's Hold on.

Do you guys think the economy is better or worse or not? You are living on a cloud, man. Listen to the people of this country. They can't afford things.

The job market is awful. The economy is terrible. Stop reading the New York Times and start talking to American voters. Yeah.

[cheering] And you understand how insane you sound. The economy is better. People are telling you they can't afford stuff. Yeah.

Inflation is high now because Trump spent more than any president on the debt [laughter] in four-year period. Oh. So wait, it's Trump's fault that inflation is high four years later. As you would come to realize at Hope and your role that economies are reactionary forces.

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