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Inside the White House Freakout Over the Epstein Files. The president’s top advisers gathered in a series of Situation Room meetings as they struggled to contain a scandal engulfing Donald Trump himself.
by Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan
June 10, 2026
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Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan, White House reporters for The Times, are the authors of the forthcoming “Regime Change: Inside the Imperial Presidency of Donald Trump.” This article is drawn from reporting done for that book.

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On July 17, 2025, at around 6 o’clock in the evening, President Trump’s top officials filed into the White House Situation Room — the secure bunker where classified and high-stakes national security matters are discussed and decided. This was where President Barack Obama, along with Vice President Joe Biden, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and the president’s national security team, watched the raid that ended with the death of Osama bin Laden in 2011.

Now, however, Trump’s most senior advisers had gathered — without him — to figure out how to gain some measure of control over a very different kind of crisis threatening to engulf the presidency: the Epstein files.

Ten days earlier, the Justice Department and the F.B.I. had jointly released a memo that bluntly stated that their review had found no “client list” of powerful men for whom the notorious pedophile Jeffrey Epstein had allegedly procured underage girls and young women. Intended to put to rest years of speculation and end the pressure campaign to release the voluminous material in the department’s possession, the memo instead had the opposite effect, setting off a backlash that was notably loud among the MAGA base.

And it was about to get worse: The Wall Street Journal was preparing a damaging article about Trump’s relationship with Epstein. The president’s desperate attempts to kill the story had failed. His team now had to get everyone onto the same page about how to counter the growing swarm of attention. They needed a gesture of transparency to appease an increasingly angry base, but also a way to convey the message that the president was sympathetic to his supporters’ concerns. Which itself was a problem, because he clearly wasn’t.

Vice President JD Vance took a seat at the head of the table in the John F. Kennedy Conference Room of the Situation Room complex. “This is a huge problem,” he told the group. Arrayed around him were the White House chief of staff, Susie Wiles; the White House counsel, David Warrington; the press secretary, Karoline Leavitt; the deputy chief of staff Taylor Budowich; the communications director, Steven Cheung; the deputy attorney general, Todd Blanche; the associate attorney general, Stanley Woodward Jr.; and the deputy chief of staff James Blair. Attorney General Pam Bondi and the F.B.I. director, Kash Patel, joined on speakerphone.

The vice president appeared panicked to others in the room about the way the subject of Epstein was already dividing the MAGA coalition. Some senior officials had the impression that Vance had bought into the darkest theories about Epstein and a cabal of predators hidden within the country’s ruling class. Wiles would tell others that the vice president had proved himself to be a major conspiracy theorist. Another top official said later that Vance had been pounding on the Epstein issue since the release of the memo. He was privately pressing for the administration to release all the Epstein files, everything in the Justice Department’s possession, even encouraging a congressional investigation.

Vance had also floated to colleagues an extraordinary P.R. gambit — that the White House enlist Tucker Carlson to interview Epstein’s longtime girlfriend and co-conspirator, Ghislaine Maxwell, in prison. It might help the president if Maxwell was willing to state that Trump had not been part of any wrongdoing with Epstein.

Vance told the group he believed all the files should be released as soon as possible. He argued that Congress was going to force the release of the files eventually. It was already clear that a bipartisan coalition in favor of such action was forming on Capitol Hill, and the momentum was going in one direction. If the administration got out ahead of this and released everything voluntarily — including whatever material existed about the president — it would at least get credit for transparency. The alternative was to let the story drag on for months as information dripped out, each new revelation renewing the cycle of suspicion and fury. Better to rip the bandage off and move on.

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Vice President JD Vance appeared panicked to President Trump’s other top advisers about the way the subject of Jeffrey Epstein was dividing the MAGA coalition. Credit...Anna Moneymaker/Getty Images

Even the unsubstantiated allegations and anecdotes about Trump should go out, Vance argued. They were going to surface regardless, and if the administration published them first, it would demonstrate good faith and take the oxygen out of the conspiracy theories. His arguments fell on skeptical ears, but some advisers thought it would be a good idea to have Justice Department officials call a news conference to explain their position on the Epstein affair — going beyond the memo that precipitated the crisis.

At this point in the meeting, Blair spoke up. “With all due respect,” he said, “the communications strategy of this group got us here. I don’t know that it’s going to get us out. And if you’re going to go in front of the press, you’ve got a lot of work to do.” He began to ask pointed mock questions, demonstrating how difficult a news conference might be.

As the president’s former defense attorney, Blanche had a unique vantage point in the discussion. He was better equipped than anyone else in the room to weigh the ideas being discussed against Trump’s personal and political interests. Blanche laid out what he saw as their best options.

Option 1 was to petition Federal District Courts in Florida and New York to unseal the grand jury testimonies — the secret transcripts of prosecutors’ presentations of witnesses and evidence in their efforts to obtain indictments in past Epstein-related cases. As those were almost certain to contain no significant new information, everyone agreed that this option was a good idea, and not only because a release was unlikely to damage the president.

Under the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, the secrecy of grand jury materials is regarded by most federal judges as almost always inviolate, and the bar for any release is exceptionally high. If the courts refused to unseal them — as Blanche predicted — they could shift the blame for withholding the Epstein material away from the Trump administration and onto the judges. And all the better if the judges had been appointed by Democratic presidents. Blanche’s suggestion would make it appear that the White House wanted the materials released, when it was almost certain not to happen.

Option 2 was to have Justice Department lawyers question Maxwell and publicly release the transcript — a twist on the idea proposed earlier by Vance. Blanche offered to interview Maxwell himself.

“What if we got her to talk to Congress?” Vance suggested.

Blanche raised the possibility that Maxwell’s lawyer might expect something in return for her candor.

Warrington, the White House counsel, responded by laying out the available choices, without advocating any of them. Maxwell could be given a pardon, he said, or she could have her sentence reduced.

At that, several around the table spoke up to register their strong disapproval.

“Pardoning Maxwell, a trafficker of young girls, would create a huge P.R. problem,” Cheung said. He predicted that in the wake of a pardon, the Epstein accusers would be fanning out on TV, telling their stories and ripping the administration to shreds.

Blair was also adamantly opposed to a pardon. “We can’t offer Ghislaine Maxwell anything,” he said. “A, I don’t know why we would. And B, if we give Ghislaine Maxwell any sort of break whatsoever and then she turns around and says nice things about us, or says nice things about us and we give her a break, it will undermine the entire point of her saying good things. That will feed the conspiracy theory, period. If there’s nothing for her to say that hurts us, we shouldn’t have to offer her anything.”

The consensus was that calling for the release of the grand jury material was the best course of action. Wiles told the group she would discuss the matter with Trump and ask if he would send a Truth Social post calling for the release of the sealed grand jury documents.

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White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles and her deputy, James Blair, were key members of Trump’s team discussing the crisis. “The communications strategy of this group got us here,” Blair told the others. “I don’t know that it’s going to get us out.” Credit...Haiyun Jiang/The New York Times

Just then, The Wall Street Journal article they had been trying to kill was published online. Cellphones are forbidden in the Situation Room, so a staff member brought in printed copies of the explosive report, which detailed how Trump, and many others, had created birthday cards and letters to be assembled by Maxwell into a special birthday book for Epstein in 2003. The birthday card attributed to Trump depicted a nude woman, hand-drawn and inscribed with an imagined dialogue between the two men about a “wonderful secret.” The drawing was signed with what appeared to be Trump’s distinctive jagged Sharpie signature in place of the woman’s pubic hair.

In the days before publication, Trump, in the effort to quash the story, had called News Corp.’s chief executive, Robert Thomson; News Corp.’s owner, Rupert Murdoch; and The Journal’s editor in chief, Emma Tucker. Practically shouting, the president told Tucker, who is British, that she must “hate America.” He told her he would file a lawsuit.

But none of his bullying had worked, and now, as the group sat quietly reading the full story in the Situation Room, Wiles readied a public denial for the president, which he soon posted on social media.

Shortly after this, the president posted again. He was going along with the plan his advisers had hashed out in the Situation Room, though it was clear he didn’t like having to do it: “Based on the ridiculous amount of publicity given to Jeffrey Epstein, I have asked Attorney General Pam Bondi to produce any and all pertinent Grand Jury testimony, subject to Court approval. This SCAM, perpetuated by the Democrats, should end, right now!”

In response to a request for comment, a White House spokeswoman, Abigail Jackson, repeated Trump’s claims that he was innocent in all Epstein-related matters, adding that “by releasing thousands of pages of documents, cooperating with the House Oversight Committee’s subpoena request, signing the Epstein Files Transparency Act and calling for more investigations into Epstein’s Democrat friends, President Trump has done more for Epstein’s victims than anyone before him.”

Authors’ note: This article is adapted from reporting for our book “Regime Change: Inside the Imperial Presidency of Donald Trump.” The bulk of the reporting took place from the spring of 2023 to the spring of 2026. During that time, we conducted more than 1,000 interviews with a wide range of people close to President Trump, including campaign officials, White House staff members, officials serving in government departments and agencies, former aides, donors, lawmakers, friends and business associates. Many of our interviews were conducted on the journalistic ground rule of “deep background,” agreed to in advance, which meant we could use the information but not identify who gave it to us. Throughout the reporting process, we made extensive efforts to contact the individuals named and give them ample opportunity to offer their perspective. When we use direct quotes, those quotes came either from the person speaking, from someone who heard that person directly or from contemporaneous notes, recordings or transcripts. When we paraphrase, it’s because witnesses or participants in the dialogue could not recall the precise wording but were confident about the thrust of the message expressed. Where there were discrepancies between the accounts of participants in meetings, we generally erred on the side of removing the disagreed-upon material; in some instances, we relied on our own judgment of various sources’ reliability, based on our long histories of covering Trump and his inner circle. Over the course of these past three years, during our daily reporting for The New York Times, each of us has spoken to Donald Trump multiple times, and the president sat for an hourlong interview with us on March 16, 2026.

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At the start of last summer, as far as outside observers could see, Trump appeared to be at the pinnacle of his power. He had just bombed nuclear sites in Iran; completed a blitz of executive orders to reshape the immigration system; and rammed through Congress his signature piece of domestic legislation, the Big Beautiful Bill. He was using the levers of the government to go after his enemies, and out of fear and desperation, America’s corporate titans were falling over themselves to genuflect.

But behind the scenes, the Epstein crisis was paralyzing the Trump administration to a far greater extent than the public knew. In their public statements, Trump’s advisers were full of bravado, dismissing the crisis. In reality, it was consuming the highest ranks of the administration as no issue had for the president’s team since the Russia investigation in his first term. His aides were determined to keep their rising sense of panic out of public view.

The Justice Department had struggled with just how to dispose of the Epstein matter since the beginning of Trump’s second term. The issue was all-consuming for the president’s political base, but also potentially compromising for the president himself in ways that officials in the new administration didn’t fully understand. Any path forward would be fraught.


Some of that complexity was self-inflicted. In the engine room of the MAGA movement, the Epstein files were potent fuel. Elon Musk had used his social media platform to repeatedly question why a client list had not been released. Donald Trump Jr. and JD Vance had invoked the Epstein files as a broader campaign message to argue that “powerful people” were hiding the truth from Americans. Tucker Carlson and the young conservative leader Charlie Kirk had each insisted that the government should release the documents and each floated the idea that there was an expansive cover-up in progress.

Trump himself had been cagey. On the “Lex Fridman Podcast” in September 2024, when asked about releasing the client list, Trump responded, “I’d certainly take a look at it,” adding, “I’d have no problem with it.” The list “probably will be” made public, he said, but he sounded less than enthusiastic. In private, Trump later told Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene that a release of Epstein material could hurt some of his friends. He repeatedly insisted that he had done nothing wrong and that the whole saga was “fake news” designed to harm him politically.

But his posture was overtaken by the growing frenzy among his supporters. Throughout 2024, Greene had made it her mission to force the release of the files. And there were so many others. The far-right influencer Laura Loomer, the conservative activist Scott Presler, Chaya Raichik from Libs of TikTok. But when it came to propagating the Epstein files as evidence of a “deep state” capable of evil, two podcasters were not to be outdone: Kash Patel and Dan Bongino.

Patel — a National Security Council director for counterterrorism and Defense Department chief of staff in the first Trump administration — had repeatedly claimed in podcast interviews that the government was hiding Epstein’s “black book” or client list, and he frequently asserted that the F.B.I. was deliberately withholding names to protect the powerful. Patel promised that a second Trump administration would release “everything” to restore public trust.

On “The Dan Bongino Show,” Bongino’s background as a Secret Service agent had lent authority to his claims of a cover-up. “What the hell are they hiding with Jeffrey Epstein?” he’d asked his large audience of MAGA devotees. The release of the client list would “rock the political world,” he predicted. The “Washington swamp” was “not telling you the truth.”

And so as they took office in 2025, Trump’s advisers were subject to intense pressures of their own making. Attorney General Pam Bondi quickly made things much worse.

First, in a Fox News interview on Feb. 21, she appeared to confirm the existence of an Epstein client list, something that the MAGA base had believed was sitting in the files, hidden — and hinted that its release was imminent. Asked whether the Justice Department might release the names, she responded, “It’s sitting on my desk right now to review.”

But many viewed what came six days later as an even more egregious misstep.

On Feb. 27, the White House Communications Office scheduled a lineup of cabinet officials to brief popular right-wing influencers in the Roosevelt Room. The session began with Vice President Vance, followed by Secretary of State Marco Rubio, walking the influencers through the administration’s agenda. In attendance was a who’s who of online MAGA: Mike Cernovich, Liz Wheeler, Collin Rugg, DC Draino. The president himself brought them to the Oval Office and gave them custom-designed challenge coins as a token of his appreciation. Before everything went wrong, one of them would remark, “It was the best day of my life.”

Then the attorney general and her team walked into the Roosevelt Room carrying boxes. Bondi had brought binders as handouts for the influencers; her aides would later tell colleagues that the F.B.I. had prepared them, with the assurance that they contained revelatory details. Someone on her staff said: “Watch this. This is cool. This is going to be epic.”

But as Bondi’s staff started distributing the binders, the blood pressure of other officials in the room skyrocketed. They had no idea what was in the handouts. The attorney general was distributing something she was calling “the Epstein files” that had not been vetted by anyone in the White House. One official, opening the binder, began flipping through pages to see if Trump’s name was mentioned anywhere. A few pages in, right in the middle of the page, there it was.

Keir Starmer, the British prime minister, was at the White House that day. If news broke that the Epstein files had been released before the president was to meet the press with the prime minister, that would be all the journalists would want to talk about. And Trump would be blindsided.

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Right-wing influencers were invited to the White House, where Attorney General Pam Bondi’s team gave them binders filled with Epstein-related material that turned out to have been previously released.Credit...Jim Watson/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images

One of Trump’s aides hastily steered the influencers out of the White House, telling them that the content of the binders was embargoed until after the president’s news conference with Starmer but that the communications office would be more than happy to talk about the files afterward. As the influencers left, they snapped selfies in front of the White House holding their binders, quickly posting the pictures on social media. They had now created a new shock wave of anticipation for what might be in them.

Like some others in the White House, Bondi had either grossly underestimated or simply been blind to the voracious appetite of the MAGA base for information about Epstein. Her binders contained information about him and his activities — flight logs, contact lists, summaries of items taken from his residences after his 2019 arrest and other material — but nearly all of it had been previously released. Bondi had somehow simultaneously oversold and trivialized the Epstein files, and now the influencers were made to feel like dupes.

In the Roosevelt Room, Bondi had told the influencers that this was just the first tranche of files. There would be more coming, she assured them. But that story would change, too.

Justice Department officials were reviewing the Epstein material, but months would pass before the department or any of Trump’s closest advisers knew just how many documents there were — more than three million pages of files related to Epstein, and potentially as many as six million. In the early months, officials were focused on going through a trove of what are known as 302 forms — records of F.B.I. agents’ interview notes with witnesses, some of whom were victims of Epstein. These were raw records, often containing unverified information. Trump was mentioned numerous times, as were other prominent men.

In June, four months after the circus in the Roosevelt Room with the influencers, Bondi and Blanche briefed the president on the status of the Epstein review. “We’ve gone through the files,” Blanche told Trump. “There’s not a lot there. A lot of child pornography — obviously we can’t put any of that out. There are some mentions of you, but nothing substantive.” Most of Trump’s advisers had rejected out of hand the idea of releasing the F.B.I.’s raw interview notes. More important, they wanted to avoid putting out anything that could damage the president.

With full transparency a nonstarter, a small group of White House and Justice Department officials decided to draft a memo that would explain why the department was not releasing any further information about Epstein. But even the process of composing the memo was fraught, in part because no one wanted their name on it and in part because of deep concerns within the leadership of the F.B.I.

For weeks, Patel and Bongino, the deputy F.B.I. director, had grown more infuriated as they realized the scale of the mess for which they were now being blamed. They repeatedly raised alarms internally that the Epstein crisis was gathering momentum with Trump’s supporters. Bongino wanted to convey something definitive to the MAGA base, and he and Patel pushed for the immediate release of the surveillance footage from the federal facility where Epstein was found dead in his cell.

Bongino hated the Justice Department’s nothing-to-see-here memo being drawn up for public release. He told Patel this would in no way align with their promises of transparency after taking over the F.B.I., and he objected to putting the F.B.I. seal on the letterhead. But he was overruled.


Patel privately shared many of Bongino’s concerns. But in an internal email on July 2, the F.B.I. director gave his support for the memo.

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Before the 2024 election, Kash Patel, who would become Trump’s F.B.I. director, promised that a second Trump administration would release “everything” in the Epstein files to restore public trust. Credit...Tierney L. Cross for The New York Times

Thanks for the edits, and I still believe this is the correct vehicle forward,” Patel wrote, with the occasional typo, to a small group of colleagues, including Blanche. “I’m happy to add any additional sentences to compete the short fall. But I do think we addressed specifically why more can’t be released as it relates to specific topics ie court order, csam” — child sexual abuse material — “victim protections etc.”

Bondi rarely used her Justice Department email and was not on the chain where the group worked on the memo. She was aware of both the memo and the release of the prison video but was not involved in editing the document.

Inside the White House, Trump had no interest in releasing anything. And senior officials, including Wiles and Blair, were initially unconvinced about the reach of the Epstein crisis. They told colleagues that Republican voters didn’t care, and they had early data from Trump’s chief pollster, Tony Fabrizio, to demonstrate it. The Epstein brouhaha, in their view, was driven by fringe conspiracy theorists and amplified by noisy online influencers who didn’t represent a meaningful bloc of voters. If the White House engaged, it would only pump it up — putting an official stamp on the matter.

Wiles, Blair and others around Trump had seen him weather every storm imaginable for years. And in their view, this wasn’t a storm — it was passing clouds at most.

Bongino told anyone who would listen that this was a grave miscalculation.

“It’s not an online story,” he told White House advisers. “You don’t understand.”

On July 7, the Department of Justice and the F.B.I. released the memo. It was brief, an unsigned one-and-a-half-page statement explaining that after an exhaustive search of “its databases, hard drives, and network drives as well as physical searches of squad areas, locked cabinets, desks, closets, and other areas where responsive material may have been stored” and a corresponding review of more than 300 gigabytes of evidence, the department concluded that there was no evidence Epstein had maintained a client list.

The memo also reaffirmed the official finding that Epstein’s death in 2019 had been a suicide. The memo was accompanied by the release of video footage from the federal jail in Manhattan where Epstein died, footage that officials said supported the conclusion of suicide. And with that, the memo indicated, the Trump administration would not be releasing further information regarding the Epstein case and no further investigation of uncharged third parties was warranted.

Less than five months after Bondi had referred to a secret client list of high-profile predators, the case was closed. Or so it seemed.

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In a Fox News interview, Bondi seemed to confirm the existence of an Epstein client list, which the MAGA base believed was hidden in the files. But no such list was found. Credit...Evan Vucci/Associated Press

If the administration expected that the memo would be the last word on the Epstein case, and that the president’s most ardent supporters would accept the purported conclusions of the Department of Justice simply because the department and its investigative agencies were now controlled by Donald Trump, they were sorely mistaken. The memo was an earthquake, and it was received by a part of the MAGA base as an outright betrayal. It amounted to an abrupt disavowal of the sinister conspiracy theories that some of Trump’s closest confidants had hyped during the Biden presidency and that they had promised to expose once Trump was returned to power.

The release of the surveillance video, which Bongino and Patel had intended as a gesture of transparency, further fueled the fire. The Department of Justice ended up releasing roughly 11 hours of prison video, intended to show that nothing nefarious occurred. But the footage was missing a minute — a visible time-stamp jump from 11:58:58 p.m. to midnight. Bondi initially attributed this to a nightly system reset. (The footage was later restored and released.) To many of Trump’s followers, however, this was yet more evidence of a cover-up. White House officials complained privately that they hadn’t been told about the gap before the release. Social media lit up with blame — not just for Bondi, but for Patel and Bongino, too.

None of the three had ever experienced anger at this volume from Trump’s conservative base. It was disorienting, especially for Patel and Bongino, whose power and influence had been built online. The movement that had treated them as heroes was suddenly turning on them. The two men were now tightly connected to a memo that stated, in black and white, that while information in the government’s possession showed ample evidence of Epstein’s own wrongdoing, there was no evidence of a wider conspiracy.

The day the memo was released, Bongino showed up to a daily Justice Department meeting with the F.B.I. staff and the attorney general. He was in a volcanic mood. As soon as he entered the room, he erupted at Bondi, shouting at her.

“You fucked this thing up from the start,” Bongino yelled. “The way you’ve been talking about this — that dumb fucking charade with the Epstein files, the ‘They’re on my desk’ nonsense, all the promises to the folks out there.”

Patel and Bongino both subsequently told a White House official that Bondi needed to resign.

Two days later, on July 9, the two men were summoned to a meeting with Wiles and Bondi in the Situation Room complex. They were the last to enter the small, wood-paneled room. Seated around the table were Bondi, Wiles, Blanche and Taylor Budowich, one of Wiles’s deputies. The moment Bongino sat down, Wiles told him that she had been informed he leaked a sensitive story about Epstein and Trump to ABC News.

“I’ll tell you what,” Bongino replied. “I’ll give you $100,000 cash right now. I’m not kidding. Walk out to West Exec, put that reporter on speaker and get him to admit I leaked it. A hundred thousand dollars.”

Wiles snapped back, “Well, we all got ourselves into this —— ”

Bongino cut her off.

“No, no, no, no, no. We didn’t get ourselves into anything. I warned you guys about this the whole time, and you ignored me. And exactly what I said was going to happen happened. And now you’re pretending I was in on this. I was never in on this.”

Bongino’s aggressive response to Wiles startled the others; she was the White House chief of staff, essentially a stand-in for the president. Wiles put Bongino on the spot. “Going forward,” she said, “we’re all in. We’re all going to agree to move forward. Are you in or not?”

“No, I’m not,” Bongino said. “This is not my plan. I’m not part of this going forward. Forget it. I’m out of here.” He stormed out of the Situation Room and onto West Executive Avenue, where he climbed into the back of Patel’s armored S.U.V. and directed the driver to take him to F.B.I. headquarters.

Some of Bongino’s close friends hoped he would resign right then — an act of protest that would have made him a MAGA martyr and only increased his following. But White House advisers intervened, urging him to stay. If he quit over Epstein and went public, it could severely damage the president. Bongino told associates he would remain for Trump’s sake and keep pushing for more Epstein information to be released.


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Dan Bongino, the deputy director of the F.B.I., erupted at Bondi and Wiles as the political backlash grew, telling them, “I warned you guys about this the whole time, and you ignored me.” Credit... Michael M. Santiago/Getty Images

Privately, he seethed. In conversations with confidants, he lamented what the job had cost him: millions of dollars in podcast revenue, family time, his audience. He was getting torn apart over a strategy he had opposed from the start.

The relationships at the top of the Justice Department were by now beyond dysfunctional. At another July meeting, in Wiles’s office, Bongino and Patel told the chief of staff they suspected that Bondi had leaked negative stories about them.

“Blondie fucked this whole thing up,” Bongino later told a confidant, echoing Loomer’s derisive nickname for the attorney general. “She was the one on TV saying over and over they had all this stuff. There was never anything. We were always clear about that. But now everyone thinks we did something wrong. And I gave up everything.” Bongino complained that he had given up his high-rated show and millions of dollars, “and now it’s all disappeared, because people think we screwed something up with Epstein.”


Bongino paused.

“This is going to be President Trump’s Iran-contra.”
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Re: Charlie Kirk Murder and TPUSA Insider Gossip

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On July 12, the president took to Truth Social to defend Bondi against criticism and to urge his “boys” and “gals” to stop wasting “Time and Energy on Jeffrey Epstein, somebody that nobody cares about.” Trump told aides he was very unhappy with some of his most influential supporters, including Charlie Kirk, Tucker Carlson and Megyn Kelly, all of whom were publicly urging the administration to come clean. Kirk had held a Turning Point USA event the previous day that turned into an Epstein grievance fest, with one speaker after another bashing Bondi over her handling of the situation. Trump had called Kirk and scolded him.

Nobody in Trump’s orbit had a better feel for the younger part of the MAGA base than Kirk, who saw that the Epstein cover-up, as it was now viewed, was capturing attention to an alarming extent. Donald Trump Jr. and JD Vance — both of whom spent considerable time on X and were tapped into the same younger and hyper-online portion of the base — were also worried. They urged the White House to change course and force the Justice Department to release more of the files.


Vance made clear to colleagues that he feared losing some of the so-called low-propensity voters, the young men who were not traditional Republicans but who had voted for the Trump-Vance ticket in 2024. This was an audience tuned in to the “manosphere” podcasters like Joe Rogan, and it was worrisome that the podcast hosts themselves were now rebelling.

But there was one major obstacle in the path of a solution: The president himself still had no interest in transparency. He wanted the whole Epstein issue buried, and he was snapping at anyone who mentioned it. His staff largely avoided the subject in their conversations with him, forced to worry among themselves.

Finally, on July 16, in an exasperated Truth Social post, seemingly desperate to make his case in language that might resonate with his base, Trump somewhat nonsensically called the Epstein case a “hoax” by Democrats and then proceeded to heap abuse on members of his party and his base, disavowing their support, calling them “PAST supporters” and “weaklings” who had “bought into this ‘bullshit,’ hook, line, and sinker.”

As the president was trying to redirect everyone away from Epstein on social media, members of both parties began to push the other way. Many Democrats embraced the growing Epstein scandal as a top focus in their messaging and as a weapon against Trump. They were joined by a few renegade Republicans, which added to the political pressure on the president’s team. Representatives Thomas Massie, a Republican, and Ro Khanna, a Democrat, filed H.R. 4405, the Epstein Files Transparency Act, in the House, and although they did not yet have the votes for the bill, it would become the next battleground as the president dug in against releasing information.

Word reached the White House in late July, meanwhile, that a subpoena would soon be coming from the House Oversight Committee, led by James Comer, a Republican from Kentucky. It had been pushed by committee Democrats, with the help of some Republicans, and it compelled the release of files the Justice Department had on Epstein.

On the day the Trump team learned about the looming subpoena, another Epstein crisis meeting was convened in the Situation Room to discuss the pressure coming from Congress. It included most of the same group: Wiles and Vance, Blanche, Warrington, Patel, Bondi, Blair, Cheung, Budowich and Leavitt.

Blair told the group that they would try to make sure they were cooperating fully with the House subpoena, but that the priority was to release information that demonstrated Trump was not involved in Epstein’s crimes.

Blanche gave an assessment of the Epstein material he had personally reviewed or been briefed on, including a volume of child pornography. The conversation turned to how these files should be released to the public. The idea already in the works was to put all Epstein-related material on a website. That way, they could overwhelm the MAGAsphere with far-greater volumes of real information — in the form of a huge database.

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After Todd Blanche, then the deputy attorney general, interviewed Epstein’s co-conspirator Ghislaine Maxwell, she was quietly moved to a minimum-security federal prison camp, which only deepened the public outrage. Credit...Colin Hackley/Associated Press

The website had been easy to build, and they were looking at potentially going live within a week. They had already accumulated a mountain of material that Blanche had been scrolling through, and it included piles of documents from both civil and criminal cases. They planned to release it all. Blanche could then appear on Rogan’s podcast to promote the transparency from the White House.

But as it turned out, this searchable website would not go live on their initial timetable. And the version of the site they originally conceived would never be released to the public.

By late summer, it was plainly apparent to the president’s top aides that the Epstein saga was not the same as the countless other crises they had weathered during their service to Trump. To their great surprise — and growing disquiet — Trump’s old tricks of deflection and denial weren’t working.

In late July, as the Trump team had discussed in their crisis meetings, it was Blanche who interviewed Maxwell. Over two days, she told him she had witnessed no troubling behavior by Trump and didn’t recall him sending the birthday card drawn in the shape of a nude woman. Soon after, she was quietly moved to a minimum-security federal prison camp in Texas — a transfer left unexplained at first, which only deepened the public outrage. Blanche said nearly five months later that Maxwell had faced “numerous threats against her life.”

As the calls for transparency grew louder, the top ranks of the Trump administration spent even more time in the bunker. By now, the Situation Room itself had become inseparable from the crisis — a guarded space where Trump’s inner circle worked to steer the president around a scandal that would soon taint or consume careers at the highest levels of business, science and politics.

On Aug. 13, Trump’s team met again in the secure complex at 6 p.m. for two hours to refine the Epstein defense strategy. Again, the group included Wiles, Bondi, Blanche, Patel, Blair, Budowich, Cheung and Leavitt. Vance phoned in from Britain.

The vice president once again pushed to release as much of the Epstein files as possible. And with an eye on the public messaging, he proposed that he should be the one to appear on Rogan’s influential podcast. Vance had just gotten off the phone with Rogan, and he later told others that Rogan said he wouldn’t have Blanche on his show but would take Vance.

Vance argued that if he were the one to appear on Rogan’s show, then only a part of the conversation would be about Epstein. The rest of the interview, he told the group, could be about the president’s recently passed legislation and what it would do for working families.

But the larger conversation before them was how to handle the crisis and the public relations risks for the administration. The challenge would be any embarrassing or damaging allegations about the president, even if they were unsubstantiated. If everything was publicly available on the website they had planned, it could include all kinds of potentially humiliating material.

Suddenly, one of the officials in the Situation Room raised the subject of a disturbing but uncorroborated accusation against Trump that had come to light in unsealed filings from a 2015 defamation case brought by Virginia Giuffre against Maxwell, which had been settled two years later. The secondhand accusation, alleging a specific type of sexual abuse, was the perfect example of something that would show up on the public website and put the spotlight on Trump, whether it was true or not.

Giuffre, who had met Epstein when she was a teenage spa attendant at Trump’s club, Mar-a-Lago, in Palm Beach, Fla., became one of the sex offender’s most outspoken victims. Giuffre stated in late 2016 that, to her knowledge, Trump had done nothing improper. She died by suicide in April 2025, three months after Trump returned to power. The old Giuffre case file included emails sent to a journalist by another Epstein victim, Sarah Ransome, who later sued Epstein and Maxwell. Epstein had also settled that case.

In the emails, Ransome claimed that she knew a girl in Epstein’s sex-trafficking ring named Jen, who said she had sex with Trump. Ransome also claimed that Jen had told her that Trump had a predilection for nipples and that he had aggressively flicked and sucked hers. Ransome wrote that she had seen evidence when she shared a bathroom with Jen. “They looked incredibly painful as they were red and swollen and I remember wincing when I looked at them,” she wrote.


Ransome’s credibility was not uncomplicated; she had made another claim that she possessed video footage of prominent men having sex with young girls in Epstein’s entourage. She later retracted the claims, saying she feared for herself and her family if she proceeded. But after a federal judge ordered the unsealing of some of the Giuffre case files in 2023, the document that connected Trump to the claim about abused nipples was among the material that came out. It was an unconfirmed allegation and had not been made publicly, but the disclosure led to some articles that were quickly lost in the swirl of election-year news.

Some of Trump’s advisers in the Situation Room had never heard of the nipple claim; those who had seemed to have only a passing familiarity with it. Many in the room thought this was all just discredited nonsense. But it might not matter. The Ransome emails could get new attention if they were included in a “public-facing and searchable” Epstein library that carried the branding of the Justice Department. An administration official had already searched for Trump-related materials on the still-private test version of the website, and the nipple material was among the first items to show up. None of the credibility issues would come into consideration if a government-endorsed database gave Ransome’s claim about Trump a stamp of validity.

This is out there,” one of the officials told the group in the Situation Room. “They’re going to make a huge scene of this, even though it’s not true and everybody knows it.”

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As the president tried to redirect everyone away from Epstein on social media, members of both parties began to push the other way, adding to the political pressure on the president’s team. Credit...Anna Moneymaker/Getty Images

Blanche argued that in context, the Ransome document — and Ransome’s disavowal of some of her other claims — would make clear why the allegations related to Trump had never been pursued for prosecution. Besides, these allegations were already available online because of what had been unsealed, so there was no reason to leave them off the Justice Department website.

The vice president said he thought the president would be OK with releasing the nipple-related documents, arguing that Trump had been accused of worse. “I think we should put it out,” he said. “It would cause people to say we’re going further than we need to.” Wiles quickly responded that the president would not, in fact, be OK with it. It was a point no one wanted to continue debating.

One official would later describe it as a “surreal” experience to be discussing nipples in the White House Situation Room.

This was, in miniature, the entire problem the White House had with the Epstein files: Piles of accusations were impossible to disprove and equally impossible to make go away. Every door they opened led to another room, and in every room were more claims from more women.

For a few weeks, they thought they had found a way out. The subpoena from Comer’s committee had specifically requested Justice Department documents, communications with the White House and material from the Epstein and Maxwell criminal case files — not material from civil litigation, such as the Ransome emails. They could comply with the letter of the subpoena, post the Justice Department material to a stripped-down version of the planned website and leave the rest aside. Civil cases were separate matters, outside the remit of the Justice Department. And the subpoena allowed for another escape hatch — the Justice Department could withhold certain documents, as long as it explained to House lawmakers what they were and why they were held back.

But that strategy collapsed quickly. More Republican lawmakers would press for additional disclosures, including former Trump allies like Greene and Lauren Boebert. And the Trump administration was slow to comply with even the initial limited set of documents required by the House subpoena.

By mid-November, the bipartisan coalition the Trump team had worried about since the summer finally had the votes to force the administration’s hand. The Epstein Files Transparency Act passed the House and the Senate in quick succession, and on Nov. 19, Trump, yielding to the inevitable, signed it into law.

The new law went further than the House subpoena. It sought a broader tranche of files and contained a warning to the administration that “no record shall be withheld, delayed or redacted on the basis of embarrassment, reputational harm or political sensitivity, including to any government official, public figure or foreign dignitary.” It sought everything that Trump had spent the better part of the year trying to suppress.

The legislators who passed the bill had no idea how many files they had mandated to be released within a month. The pages would end up numbering in the millions, and the president, his family and places like his Mar-a-Lago estate would be referred to more than 38,000 times, according to a New York Times analysis.


The Trump Justice Department said there was no client list. But the entire episode was another flashing light in an era when belief in the American system of justice had corroded to the point of collapse. Raw witness accounts and evidence from incomplete criminal investigations were never meant to be seen by the public. There were longstanding systems in place to protect both the accused and the accuser. The files amounted to a public dump of any Justice Department document that mentioned Epstein’s name, no matter whether the information was confirmed as accurate or not. The released pages did name many powerful men. Among them was Epstein’s former close friend — now the president of the United States.

In a January 2020 email, a federal prosecutor told a colleague that Trump had flown on Epstein’s private jet far more than anyone knew. Flight records in the files showed at least eight trips between 1993 and 1996, sometimes with his second wife, Marla Maples, sometimes with his children. In January 2024, Trump declared that he had never been on the plane.

What else remained undisclosed? The question would only sharpen as people combed through what was redacted or missing. The Justice Department, after more than 3.5 million documents were made public, said no others needed to be released. Trump, characteristically, was creating his own reality. He had long claimed that everyone else was corrupt, especially his critics. These files, he would say — despite the avalanche of references to himself — were the proof.

“There are a lot of questions about it,” he told reporters at the White House in February 2026. “But nothing on me.”


Trump had declared Epstein a dead issue during the summer, but as he began the second year of his presidency, his own team could see that voter concerns about Epstein were still breaking through to an alarming extent.

In an internal memo circulated to roughly a dozen Trump advisers in late March 2026, the president’s pollster, Fabrizio, summarized findings from two nights of focus groups conducted that month. Fabrizio’s memo listed the “Epstein files” as the sixth most important issue raised in the focus groups, behind inflation, the economy, foreign policy, immigration and health care — but ahead of data centers, military issues, crime and safety, and being “pro-working class.” In the section on “key takeaways” of the focus groups, Fabrizio’s memo stated: “There is also a consistent mention of the Epstein files, which came up in every group and is a real negative with some of these voters.”

The Epstein crisis had exposed something that some of Trump’s closest advisers spent months refusing to see. The president could break institutions, redirect the federal government against his enemies and bring the world’s richest men into the Oval Office bearing tribute. But he could not, it turned out, make Jeffrey Epstein disappear.

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REVEALED! Trump Scolded Charlie Kirk Over Epstein. Butler Narrative Collapses. | Ep 348
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Tucker does an interview with Mario Nawfal which has us questioning the Butler shooting narrative, Dan Bongino rants about Tucker's claims, and we receive a weird update regarding our FOIA request to SAM 702: Bradley Hansell.

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Chapter 1: Start.
All right, you guys. Happy rare Friday.
This feels like it's going to be a special episode because we don't normally do Fridays. And since we were off on Monday because I got hit with jet lag pretty badly, we figured that we'd
give you a late evening episode. I had a very, very long press day today, so pardon me for running a bit behind schedule. Um, but I'm glad we opted to
do this Friday show because boy oh boy did a lot escalate yesterday evening over on X. I mean, Tucker did this
interview with Mario Nofl, and it's got me really wondering about Butler.
Butler, was it staged? I think that's now a very fair question to ask. Did you guys think it was suspect at any moment that it was staged? I certainly didn't.
It was definitely something that I was reticent to even consider before. And if it was staged, by whom exactly? On that
note, we received a very bizarre response regarding our FOIA. FOIA request to SAM702. That's that Fort Wuka
1 minuteplane that was carrying one person that we can identify, Bradley Hansel, the under secretary of war, just under Pete Hegsth. Um, so let's just jump right back in. Welcome back to Candace.
Chapter 2: Tucker questions Butler. Dan Bongino melts down.
All right, I'm just kind of taking this informal poll here in the chat and a lot of people are saying yes, staged. Yes, staged. Absolutely staged. But a lot of
people also saying I didn't think it was staged when it happened. And that's where I was. I just I don't know. I was uh totally captivated by it. I was
saddened by it. I wanted Trump to win because of this assassination attempt.
And I don't know where I sit right now uh given this conversation that was started by Tucker Crossing yesterday.
So, let's just right at the top here, show you the clip that went absolutely viral yesterday over on X. Tucker uh was
joined by Mario Knoff. And here is what he had to say regarding the first assa assassination attempt. I can't believe
I'm saying the first assassination attempt of President Trump, which took place in Butler, Pennsylvania. Take a listen
about Butler. I know that Trump shut down the investigation into Butler. That is a fact. Dan Bongino told me that when he worked at the FBI and um Dan Bonino
himself was terrified uh when I spoke to him in December. I It's such a long boring story, but basically I came in
into possession I beg your pardon of accidentally came into possession of a lot of the social media posts that we
were told didn't exist that were posted by Thomas Krooks in the months and years before the shooting. And I was amazed that that the FBI had lied about this.
So I called Cash Patel and I later called Dan Bonino and I says, you know, what is this? I'm not attacking you. It was the previous FBI administration that
did this. It was Chris Ray, but what is this? And Dan Bonino became hysterical with me on the phone. I've known Dan a
long time for many years and always got along with him. You know, whatever his faults, you know, nice guy, nice, certainly very nice to me. I never had a
problem with Dan ever. And that problem began when I brought this information to his attention and he he became a
different person. He was clearly terrified. I didn't get it at first, but he was he was hysterical.
And ultimately after a long series of text exchanges, which I still have, and phone conversations, um he said, "Look,
take it up with Trump. He's the one who shut down the investigation." And that was, I think, the first or second week of December. I think it was the beginning of the second week of
December. I have it written down. But that was the moment and I realized, oh wow, you know, there's no good explanation for shutting down an investigation into your own attempted
murder. Like, this is not what we've been told it was.
Okay, so a lot to unpack there. The first thing I thought when I saw this was, wait, what? Trump was the person
who shuts down the investigation into his own assassination attempt? What does that mean? And then I saw Dan
Bonino's response. So just to recap what we just heard there, Tucker says he reached out to Dan Bonino because they had been friends for a long time. He
reached out to Cash Patel because he was working on a story. That story was that we the people, what was communicated to us was that this Matt Krooks uh
character, Matthew Krooks, had absolutely no or Thomas Krooks, Matthew Thomas Crooks or Thomas Matthew Krooks had absolutely no social media history.
And it turned out he had a very long extensive social media history and the FBI was aware of this. So he reaches out and he says, "Look, you guys weren't
involved." Um, but what is this? Why why are we being lied to? You guys are certainly in power now. And he says that
Dan Bonino grew hysterical. And he says that Dan Bonino was terrified. My understanding and I think any rational
person's understanding of what he means is that this story, the butler story, perhaps the butler cover up, whatever it is, terrified Dan Bonino and terrified
Cash Patel. Totally believable just looking at Cash Patel. He constantly looks like he is in a state of terror.
And this is how Dan Bonino chose to respond to Tucker saying that Dan was terrified. Take a listen.
I'm not, this is not a pretend tough guy act. I'm a 51-year-old man with decaying joints. I'm not I don't plan on fighting anyone in the UFC.
There's no violence is never the answer to anything. I'm not interested in any of that. But I'm going to tell you straight, if you think I was terrified
of Tarlson, then I'm really sorry. Like, you need to take yourselves a Xanax and go find a doctor, right? That's of all
the things. Like, that's the most hilarious. However, accusing me and the president of a federal crime, obstructing justice, bizarrely, the
president involved in covering up the investigation into his own attempted murder is seriously one of the most delusional things I've ever seen. And
the reason I'm really starting to believe, and I mean this sincerely, that Tucker's just
dumb at I don't have any is he doesn't realize like I have these texts, too.
Well, quite a time to call Tucker dumb when you completely misunderstood the context of what he meant when he said you were terrified. D, I don't I don't think Tucker wants to fight you. Tucker
wears boat shoes. He gives me Martha Vineyard vibes. He's definitely wasn't saying he wanted to fight you. He's
saying something scared you and something that you saw scared you. Let's cool it with the aggressive nature of wanting to beat up Tucker Carlson. Like,
doesn't make you sound top 51. Oh, beat him up. Okay. Then, uh, on top of that, he completely misunderstands everything
Tucker said. Tucker was very clear that he spoke with Dan in December. And Dan thinks that he has a haha gotcha. I'm
going to prove that Tucker is stupid by showing an article that was published before him and Tucker spoke. He shows an
article from November, which is completely irrelevant to everything that Tucker just said. Take a listen.
He says that the president shut down the Butler investigation.
Totally, completely 100% made up. But we did a full interview with Brook Singman from Fox, which to all the people who,
by the way, think Tucker's for real. If you think I'm doctoring any of this, please go look this article up yourself.
Don't trust me. Trust the evidence. Here it was, November 21st, even before Tucker says he spoke to me in December.
exclusive FBI concludes Trump shooter crooks acted alone after unprecedented global investigation. Now he says the
investigation was shut down. Yet here it is on the record in November. Again, the Tucker fans will apologize for him until
8 minutesthe end of time because they just can't give up the Kool-Aid. Let me read this to you in case you're a Tucker fan who
can't read. The case that's the crooks case he says was shut down currently sits in a pending inactive status. Wait,
keep this up, Andy. Does that say the case is closed?
Andy Shaker said, "Jasmine, does that say that?" It does not. No, it says the opposite. This is before Tucker claims he talked to me.
Yeah. Yeah.
But the official, this is the one of the investigators called the investigation one of the largest mobilizations of FBI resources in history that continued to this day.
Yeah, Dan, if we can come out of this, Dan, it's it's because Tucker spoke to you after that. So, I I if the investigation was open before he spoke
to Tucker and Tucker says he spoke to you in December, everything you're saying doesn't make sense. But beyond that, his whole face, his demeanor, he's lying. I mean, Dan Bonjino is just
lying. And that's my how I'm reading him. He's not making any sense. He wants to fight. It's aggressive. And Tucker made a statement that he had multiple
9 minutesconversations with him. Dan appeared terrified. Tucker said it was both on the phone and via text. and he conveyed to him that it was the president who
didn't want information to come out. And then Dan proves Tucker's point by showing a text message in which Dan instructs to Tucker that if you want
more information about Butler, then you need to ask Trump to tell us to release it. Meaning that there was more
information about Butler that Trump did not want released. Take a listen to Dan Bonino pull the Paramount not so
tactical. Take a listen. Here's the other text where I actually go on to further make the case next to him. He
said, 'I hoped you had the chance, Tucker said, to see the piece on crooks.
We received some information and are planning a detailed follow-up. Is there someone I can talk to at the FBI before we do? Thanks. I said, I saw it and that
you seem to believe that Cash and I, who are longtime personal friends with the president, involved in some sinister cover up is absurd.
I thought he said we were covering it up. Yet in my text, leave this up, guys. I'm saying the exact opposite, Justin. Am I not?
It's almost like he's bullshitting you again. Is the president in on it, too? I asked. He's one of the victims. He's told us repeatedly, as he said publicly,
he's satisfied with the effort Cash and I put in. The president's a victim in a federal crime. And when he's ready for us to release more information about
this crime, then I'll tell us. I suggest you give him a ring and tell him you want more. Let me know what he says.
He's a member of the media. People call him all the time.
Okay. So if Dan, if the president could be called and could be told to instruct you to release more information, then
there's more information that the president is aware has not been released to the public. That's everything Tucker just said, and you don't realize that
you're confirming his report by accident. Now, I am now of the position that something is very wrong with
Butler. And whatever it is that is wrong with Butler, it may get go go go a very long way in terms of explaining what is
wrong with Trump, what went wrong with Trump. Because we have two options here, okay? If you almost get assassinated,
uh, and you do not fire the Secret Service agents that failed to protect you on that day, um, uh, they moved you
off the stage, but certainly failed to protect you on that day and see somebody on the rooftop. And then beyond that, you determine that you are satisfied
with the investigation and you allow lies to come out about the investigation or lies to remain about the investigation saying um that the person
who allegedly fired the shots had no social media background and then you withhold information from the public. We
only have two options to consider. The first thing is that the entire thing was staged and Trump was involved. Trump knew it was going to happen. Uh, and he
allowed the entire assassination attempt um to take place, thereby thrusting him into this category where all of us went,
"Oh, there must have been a reason that God saved him." I'm not inclined to believe that option. Okay. The second option is that it was a real
assassination attempt. It actually had nothing to do with the person that it was blamed on. Um, and Trump did escape
with his life and it was a warning. Do not ever do well, you know, whatever it is like a gangster sort of warning. And
I am inclined to believe that that is what happened. This would completely transform Trump. It would transform. It would make him obey. It's like a
gangster basically. You take money from a gangster. You take hundreds of millions of dollars from a gangster. They fire a warning shot. Maybe because uh you know
you willy-nilly said in front of Charlie Kirk and Andrew Kovette that you were going to take somebody's money and then f them over not knowing um that that
information got back to some people and you escaped with your life and after that you just did whatever these people said.
I'm just I'm just thinking here because I believe Tucker is telling the truth and Dan's entire face and demeanor and panic and yelling and threatening to
fight signals to me that Tucker is telling the truth. that Tucker told him on the phone that it was Trump himself
that shut down this investigation. Okay, that that is what is being reflected to me in the worst poker face that I've ever seen in Dan Bonino. He can't even
think rationally. He's just angry and wants to fight because he's been exposed. Okay.
If that version of events is true, if uh Trump survived uh an assassination attempt and then the gangsters came to
him and said, "You do whatever we say." Now, well, that could bring up bring us
to a sort of logical explanation as to Trump's behavior thereafter. Because I believe that Trump betrayed Charlie Kirk
by a similar lack of investigation into who killed Charlie Kirk. He betrayed himself and he betrayed Charlie Kirk.
And if the same people were involved in both, which I think there is an indication, I think many of us suspect that the same people are uh could be
involved in both, then you could see how easily that might keep Trump in line because I think Trump is very vain. And
even though he is old, he is not trying to be a hero. and his option is we'll keep you alive and we'll make you so
rich and your family so rich and you'll have land and you'll have your name on buildings forever. Trump's taking that option, right? He would rather take I'll
be alive for a couple of more years and very wealthy rather than to sacrifice his life doing the right thing. Him and
Charlie had different character. Um which brings us to a rather explosive piece that was published in the New York Times yesterday. This was also trending.
Chapter 3: Trump's angry call to Charlie the summer before he died.
Um, this is inside the White House freakout over the Epstein files. Now, I am not a normal consumer of the New York
Times. Obviously, I'm not really I don't really read much of the media anymore because of how many lies have been told.
But this piece, it was very obvious that it was well sourced. And I'll get into uh my opinion, which is that Dan Bonino was one of the sources, and I'll tell
you why I think that in a bit. but revealed in this piece was a relevant portion about Charlie Kirk. Um, in in summation, it's about uh how Trump
really did not want the Epstein files to be investigated. Now, there are two takes on this. Some people think that it is because he is in them. I don't doubt that Trump had some sort of a business
relationship with Epstein. It makes perfect sense to me when you understand Epstein's business model, right? What did Epstein do? Uh, he was involved in a trafficking ring. Uh, he traffked
weapons. He traffked people. He did it uh on behalf of the state of Israel. We have another Israel theme. Charlie Kirk, I'm turning away from Israel. Donald
Trump, I'm going to screw over Miriam Adlesen. Shortly thereafter, an assassination attempt happens. Okay. And now we have Trump in a full panic at the
White House over the Epstein files and him having to do anything to shut down that investigation. So, we learn
that just in the midst of Charlie's uh SAS, the student action summit where we have been telling you over and over
again, according to our timeline, it seems to us that after Tucker took the stage at SAS, Tucker Carlson took the stage at SAS.
Instructions went out to kill Charlie Kirk. That's just what the timeline tells us. Like, if we're just looking at it like a story, things got weird after
Tucker hit the stage. We have said this from the very beginning since we mapped out this timeline. Well, it turns out Tucker spoke on July 11th. And on July
12th, Charlie received a phone call from the president. Here is what the New York Times article tells us. It reads, quote, "On July 12th, the president took to
Truth Social to defend Pam Bondi against criticism and to urge his boys and gals to stop wasting time and energy on
Jeffrey Epstein, somebody that nobody cares about." out. Trump told aids that he was very unhappy with some of his most influential supporters, including
Charlie Kirk, Tucker Carlson, and Megan Kelly, all of whom were publicly urging the administration to come clean. Kirk had held a Turning Point USA event the
17 minutesprevious day that turned into an Epstein grievance fest with one speaker after another bashing Bondi over her handling
of the situation. Trump had called Kirk and scolded him. Okay,
couple of things happening here. Why would Donald Trump, the president of the United States, call Charlie Kirk to
scold him? Because people on stage are calling out a child rapist.
Make it make sense.
I'm open to other ideas. I don't want to be a conspiracy theory. Make that make sense. There was mass panic. We have covered this. Charlie lost millions and
millions of dollars on stage from his pro-Israel donors over uh Tucker calling out Epstein. Megan Kelly talked about
Epstein. So, this is perfectly tracking with what we know went down and and Charlie held the line. By and large,
Charlie held the line. They wanted him to cancel Tucker. Um they were angry that um in particular that he had Tucker
Carlson had asked where Bill Aman's money comes from. It was it's kind of like one of those Epsteinesesque questions where it's like these people get really rich when you start looking into it doesn't really make sense where
their money is coming from. There was mass Zionist panic. Again, we have the theme of Israel. So, let's plot that on
our timeline because I remembered something that's bothering me. Okay,
July 11th to July 13, 2025. Um, we know that that's the student action summit, Turning Point USA student action summit
in Tampa Bay, Florida. Uh, Charlie's first speech is at 4 p.m. on Friday. His last speech concludes at 1:10 p.m. on
Sunday. Okay. July 11th is the day that Tucker Carlson delivered that speech.
Um, Charlie tells him to go Max despite the fact that donors are freaking out.
He tells him to go Max. Okay. He calls out Jeffrey Epstein. He says that the people who serve in foreign armies
should be stripped of their citizenship and he muses about where Bill Aman's wealth comes from. On July 12th, according to the New York Times, President Trump calls Charlie Kirk
angrily and he scolds him about SAS, calling it an Epstein grievance fest.
What does this have to do with you, Trump? What does that have to do with you? Who is telling you to call Charlie and scold him? Now, there's only two
options. One, the gangsters that you took money from are telling you to call Charlie and put an end to it because
Epste worked for Israel. Or two, you're in the Epstein file. So, there's no in between. You don't just call someone to scold them about bringing up uh um being
agrieved by a child rapist. Everyone should be agrieved by a person who harms children. If you're not, we're not on the same team. Okay.
Chapter 4: Erika's flip flop on Israel.
This July 14th date, Erica travels aboard a private flight to Long Beach, California. She's got Katherine Loccastro. It's a young woman
who works Turning Point USA. was at one point Mikey McCoy's assistant, Derek Nerk, who um who's a bodyguard, Jonathan
Barcelo, who is a Marine, and she speaks at James Catis' Calvary Chapel Church.
Now, James Catis is that icky guy who is Egyptian and runs Turning Point USA faith. We need to look into James Catis.
I've received so many emails about him, radically pro- Israel. She speaks at their women's summer of song retreat and
what was there was something bothering me about this speech for forever I keep being like this speech is really weird because she says in the speech that this
was her Sunday church okay we know Erica bounces sometimes she's Catholic sometimes she's you know Jewish sometimes she's um Judeo-Christian and
this day she was Calvary Chapel okay but it was bizarre to me because when James Katis te's up the speech he goes on about like pro-Israel pro and I was like
there's something really bothering me about this on the timeline. The first and foremost I realized Erica didn't show up to ZAS which was unusual. Uh
then she gets in a plane. She knows her husband is being agrieved. She knows her her husband is under pressure from Israel. She knows her husband is losing
millions from Israel and yet she gets on stage. She gets this pro-Israel intro from James Katis and then talks about,
you know, how there's always war in Israel because Israel is great or whatever and and says that this speech
is sort of a call to arms and she's putting it in the context of women and dating and whatever. I'll let you take a a little listen to this portion of her speech.
And interestingly enough, in the history of Israel, as many of you guys know, because I know you guys go to a biblically based church, so you
understand this, that the record of Israel is that there is constant invasion and warfare in the promised
land. Because of this, the land rarely has a chance to flourish uninterrupted.
And every so often when a king rises up, you know, they unify their people, they fend off the enemies, and for a brief
moment, the people can finally enjoy peace. And it's not the peace that their military brings. It's the only type of
peace that that God can grant true true peace where there's lasting prosperity and the people can flourish. And so the
theme of Psalm 144 is this. praise and prayer to God because of who he is, not just what he gives. So again, this psalm
is it's a battle song. It's a call to arms, but it's also a call to trust and it's a call to worship and it's a call to prepare.
Okay? Call to arms, call to worship, call to trust, call to understand that there's conflict in Israel at all times and this is like, you know, post
genocide. So I don't love that. But there was still something that was gnawing at me beyond the fact that like I said, James Katis is this like Egyptian pastor that's like radically
pro-Israel that she does a lot of work with. Um, and he's he's very involved in Turning Point USA. This is literally his Prageru video. I'm an Egyptian pastor who supports Israel. And finally, it
dawned on me. Okay, I'm going to explain it to you next up on our timeline. So, she gives this speech irrespective of
what her husband's literally going through at this exact same time. Donor's pulling out, yelling at him as soon as he gets off stage. She's telling Tucker to go Max. Anyways, the president of
United States is calling him. This is his wife. She knows this is all going on. Okay? If anybody's beefing with my husband, I'm the enemy. Like, I'm I'm
like with my husband 100%. There's no halfway with that. I'm not going to say something cute to you. I'm going to be like off the Israel train immediately.
Right after this on July 18th, uh that's when the request goes in for UVU. We still don't know who submitted that request. I told you it has literally
never happened that you instantly get a a spot, the first spot of a semester tour. There's such a long waiting list to have Charlie go speak at their
schools, but they suddenly made one. Um, it's this July 20th thing that it suddenly dawned on me what was bothering
me about Erica being introduced pro-Israel and being pro-Israel on stage in the midst of everything Charlie was
going through. July 20thish, Charlie vacationed in Maine for a couple of weeks. Okay, so let's just say from
July 20th to July 30th, um he went off radar and this is when Mikey McCoy and Eliza and Elizabeth McCoy join them for
the first time on vacation and they capture all these images that we're then going to see as soon as Charlie's assassinated. these images of him walking with Erica like you know just
kind of oh this is a happy couple and then right after in the midst of this the same two weeks why Rei comes in as the number one sponsor for Charlie
Kirk's fall tour this is a total Israel coded company um and it was weird because they had already signed a
contract from January through December for all of their events but now they doubled down what catalyzed that like sudden addendum to their contract like
yes we want more um we're going to come in for speaking tour that you're now going to do and the first one's going to be at UVU and me, the CEO, is going to
travel with you at this event. Okay, that seems a bit weird. And then it dawned on me. I totally forgot
omething. Okay, and I'm just going to have to ask Tucker for forgiveness for sharing this because I knew that there was something bothering me about this
Maine vacation. I had a baby and I think I blacked out after assassination
and didn't remember that I went up to Maine too. I went up to Maine with my husband in July. Okay. My son was born
on May 1st. We were off air and then the first thing I did was I went with my newborn Roman and my husband up to Maine
to do Tucker's show and I did an interview and I genuinely forgot about this. Like I I genuinely forgot about
this and we went in on the topic of Israel. I'm just going to show you a little 10-second clip here so you can get an idea of what I'm talking about.
Since the 80s, Jeffrey Epste has been working for Israel. I don't know how I know that and Trump and Pam Bondi don't, but they got to bring me in. Like I might have some evidence here, right?
It's like so it's we're getting to a point now you're going to have tough confirmation hearings. I'm just I just want them to say f you.
Like if seriously that would feel better at this point if they just came out and said f you no boo boo boo boo boo boo
boo boo boo boo boo boo boo boo boo boo boo boo boo boo boo boo boo boo boo boo
boo boo boo boo boo boo boo boo boo boo boo boo boo boo you can't touch us we rule over you haha that would feel at least authentic going back to the Taylor runs thing you know I'd be like I really
don't like that but at least it's authentic and I know you mean it and it's true all totally fair does does any of I mean
to the extent that we can project forward and guess does does any of this come out I to a greater extent than it has. I mean, do is there ever like a public resolution of this story?
No, because Israel's controlling our government. So, no, the answer is no.
Trump is powerless against him. We haven't had I don't think we've been a sovereign nation since they shot JFK.
And when I say they, it's like I people online say, "What do you mean by they?
I'm talking about Israel. I don't want you guys to like, you know, read between I'm talking about Israel." So, like, let's stop making that a taboo subject because they've gone mask down.
Everything they're doing is demonic. I want nothing to do with it. I will never support Israel into the future after what they've done to these children. uh the starvation campaign. I I don't care.
I promise you I forgot that. I forgot that I had this I forgot that I went up to Maine until I was looking at this Erica speech and I was like I know what is bothering me about this speech.
What's bothering me about the speech is that when I got off air with Tucker obviously you just have chatter like just chatter in the air like about
everything you just discussed and what's happening and ob everything we said there. We're talking about Epstein and Tucker said to me, and I'm I'm obviously
I'm not going to get this verbatim, but he was like, "Yeah." He talked about a SAS speech and he just said, "They're like, you know, taking money from
Charlie because of this whole speech." And I was like, "Yeah, you know, Charlie's kind of coming over to our side. He's really had an awakening about this. We It's crazy that I forgot this,
but it's the second part of what he said to me." He said, "I just had dinner with him and Erica. They were just here." I think he said like last night, I kid you
not, it was they were just there in Maine having dinner with Tucker. I remember this. I am 1,000% certain days
within me. It was like Charlie was there and then I was there and he had dinner with Erica and he said something which is the reason why I was happy when they
announced that Erica was going to be CEO because before we could have ever known um that Charlie was going to be assassinated as we were sitting here in Maine talking about Israel and Epstein
and what the pressure that Charlie was under Tucker was like I absolutely love Erica. He said this publicly a thousand times so I'm not revealing anything
here. and he was like, "She is like hardcore on the anti-Israel train and
that she had gone in on dinner about everything and that, you know, this is who this is who Erica was." And I was like, "Oh, wow." Like, I actually never got to spend that kind of time with her.
Like, I know I know Charlie's coming, but I don't I never really speak to Erica like that. And they had had this dinner in the midst of all of this sass stuff and I happened to be in Maine. And
when I look at that and I plot that on the timeline, it convinces me that Erica is a psychopath. genuinely convinces me that Eric's a psychopath because and
please Tucker, forgive me. I had to share that. I know you like her. I know you're a fan of Erica. I know we have different opinions and different perspectives,
but this doesn't make sense. This This does not make sense that Erica gets on stage and is pro- Israel, blinks and is
at dinner and is anti-Israel, more anti-Israel than Tucker. I mean, than than Charlie as we're talking about all this Epstein stuff. And Charlie's under
pressure. And then as soon as Charlie passes away, she's up on stage with Barry Weiss saying anybody who doesn't support Israel has brain rot. That's a
psychopath. That is that is somebody who can be someone else in every room. And we have told this story over and over again about Erica. She literally just
commutes her entire personality depending on who she's in front of. Like there there is no personality. It's who who is the audience. I'm a Catholic. If
I'm in the back of a church and I'm with this donor who's got a lot of money and Stacy taps on their shoulder and I I
share how Charlie was about to become Catholic and then the woman, as I shared with you guys, gets on a plane, brings back a relic of St. Michael because
Erica's so hardcore Catholic and then she blinks and she instructs um Andrew Kovets to deny what I said about Charlie
in the Catholic church. Like literally the next week she okays Alex Clark coming out and saying I'm a liar.
Erica's a psychopath. I this this is like I just it just dawned on me. She was playing this game while Charlie was alive. And if I didn't do this timeline,
if I didn't remember that I was in Maine having this casual conversation when everybody was friends and Charlie was alive and Charlie was under a lot of
pressure, I I would have I probably would not have reflected on this little tidbit that proves that Erica's a
psychopath. She's not a She wasn't a grieving widow in August and July. Okay?
She wasn't a grieving widow. She was a manipulative psychopath who puts on a different outfit, a different costume
depending on what play she has to put on. Okay, that's that's just like an established fact that Erica is she has
demonstrated over and over again the attributes of a psychopath. I'm with Tucker. I'm anti-Israel.
I'm with Barry Weiss. People who don't support Israel have brain rot brain rot.
I'm with an Egyptian pastor. I love Israel. There's conflict here because of a call to arms. That's not normal. How
weird. If you had learned that after doing this podcast, I was just yucking it up with Ben Shapiro talking about how much I love is Yamaka growing. You'd be
like, "That's weird." And oh, I was like, "Oh gosh, these like terrible Palestinians. They don't have a right to any land. Who are they? They don't even exist. Palestine doesn't exist." that
would register to you that I was a psychopath because it's hard to do that. It's hard to perform in front of people.
I don't understand genuinely genuinely how Tucker can like her. I don't I don't
and and maybe it's cuz he is usually off on a boat fishing. Doesn't watch a lot of podcasts. Highly doubt that he is watching the timeline and the
conflicting eras.
He doesn't all the time. She's uh graduated school. She's not graduate school. Everything she says is in conflict with the thing that she said yesterday because there is no personality.
Elizabeth Lane clocked her correctly.
She is whatever she needs to be on her way to empowerment.
She was not a grieving widow. do. I'm going to have to politely request that you already shut up in trying to defend
why it would be that she was being two different people within one week when she should have just been anti because
of how her husband was being treated behind the scenes. Okay, just got to get that off my chest.
What follows that is August 5th to 6th, the Hampton's retreat. I mean, this timeline's crazy to look at to me now.
Crazy Hampton's retreat intervention, the influencer sponsored by Bill Aman, who just was mentioned on stage about
the Epstein stuff. Not about the Epstein stuff, pardon me. Um, but in relation to uh him asking questions, Tucker asking questions about Israel and where certain
money is coming from. He brings up Bill Aman, his wealth. This also caused panic on the back end. This is Charlie Summit that Charlie himself described as an
intervention that Erica was present at, but she would allow people to lie. BB calls him, offers to take Turning Point to the next level in exchange for what?
We still don't know. But Charlie declines. Charlie says no to BB. Trump, I believe, said yes. Trump said yes.
Charlie said no. My opinion, I'm sticking to it, especially after reading that Epstein piece. Especially after what Tucker has revealed about Butler.
This is all Israelcoded. It makes sense.
It is in our face. The puzzle has been coming together forever. It's the very first thing they lied about was to protect Israel. No one would have cared
if his opinion was shifting on Israel because it could just be that's allowed.
But all the lies that were told about it. Yeah, that means it's a clue.
Then August 15th, Erica goes to the Aster at the Aspen investor retreat, but she doesn't actually go to the meeting
even though she's I guess going to be CEO or whatever. And Charlie just appoints Era a couple weeks before he dies, changing his mind on everything
he's ever said, every position he's ever held about women.
That's not right. Okay, that timeline is not right. We're already at and I haven't even gotten to telling you
about the FIA response. You know, Dom, let's let's um take a quick break here.
We'll go to ads and then we'll come back and discuss Bradley Hansel and this bizarre response uh that we got back.
We'll be right back.

I see Marcia in the comments here. She says, "Erica is not a psychopath. She is a sociopath. I strongly push back on that because a sociopath is able to
relate to people socially." Okay? They wouldn't have made the same mistakes that Erica has made. And this is why her press has been a disaster because just
as Elizabeth Lane spelled out when she wrote that really long tweet about what makes people uncomfortable is that she doesn't know her face doesn't know how
to match the expressions the feelings that she's having. She doesn't know how to behave normally. A sociopath can do
that. They can they can like you know emulate humanity. They would know like maybe 6 days after your husband gets shot in the neck you shouldn't be able
to jump on a Zoom call. You don't have to have guidance or PR to tell you that that's not normal. Beyond that, she was in the office immediately. Within two
days, Erica was back in the office walking around bringing her kids there.
That's a psychopath. To be able to just like float between emotions, but also to not understand human emotions. In every room, Erica is someone different. The
ability to lie to my face in the way that she lied to my face about saying that Andrew Kovette went rogue. that me
discovering this like random conversation that I had with Tucker, remembering this random conversation, like genuinely my little sister. She
told me obviously what I what I was not eating. I was not sleeping after Charlie got killed. And then I was like almost tricking myself into believing that he might be alive. Like going like
genuinely going through every stage including bargaining and thinking he was actually being held somewhere and maybe in like protection because Trump would
not let this happen, whatever. And my sister said to me, she's like, "When you experience something like this, you know, somebody that you know, someone
that you're close to dying the way that they died, like it it damages your brain. Like you're not even I can't remember certain things that happened
right after." And I totally forgot that I went to Maine. Like I I have been doing this timeline forever. I've been wondering like trying to figure out like, "Oh, when were they in Maine? Were
they in Maine?" And then suddenly it dawned on me cuz you were in Maine. You were in Maine and you ju just like I I promise you Tucker must have said I just
had dinner like the night before with Charlie and Erica or or two nights before with Charlie and Erica. I had just came in I might have even like texted Charlie to see if he was still in
Maine. I have to check and it just dawned on me that that's what is weird. Erica was anti-Israel.
And that is the reason why I was relieved when I cuz I I instantly thought things were weird and that other people were involved in his assassination. didn't think his wife,
but I was like, great. At least Erica will be skeptical of these people. And this girl was like, hey, Barry Weiss, hey Ben, you want to open at Amfest,
we're we're going big. We're going into a deeper partnership with International Fellowship of Christian and Jews. The company, we blinked and the company
turned into Apac under Erica's stewardship.
And she was not under duress. She's not under duress. She's operating behind the scenes and calling all the shots. So, I
just need to express again that I truly believe she's a psychopath. I truly believe that the signs were there leading up to Charlie's assassination before she was a widow.
Chapter 5: We get a strange response to our FOIA request.
Moving on to Bradley Hansel. Okay, so just to remind you, he is Trump's appointed under secretary of defense for intelligence and security. One of the
Pentagon's top intelligence officials responsible for overseeing defense intelligence and security matters all across the DoD. Okay, we have been
asking this question. And what exactly was he doing at Fort Wuka in September just before Charlie's assassination?
Now, Fort Wuka is not just some army base. It is a major hub for military intelligence, cyber operations. Could make sense that he's there. Obviously,
networks and um intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance, uh and we were able to determine that he was on
this multileg trip that revolved around Fort Wuka. It just raises a lot of questions about who he was meeting with
right on these dates that we were interested in because of the meeting that Mitch Snow stumbled upon which we have proved he stumbled upon a meeting.
We cannot yet definitively state that he saw who he saw. He believes he saw Brian Harpole. We have not seen any evidence
to the contrary despite openly and kindly reaching out to Brian Harpole asking for that information. What we got was a lawsuit. Okay. Anyways, this is
Bradley Hansel's itinerary for you guys so that you guys tracking this can take a look um and to see where he went. He went from Joint Base Andrews in
Maryland. Obviously, that's right outside of DC. Um and then he flew to Colorado Springs and he went from
Colorado Springs uh and flew to uh Tucson, Arizona, the Air Force base at
at Davis Month. And then he flew from Tucson to Fort Wuka on a most crucial
date um September 8th. Okay, so this raises two obvious questions. Why the
stop the brief stop in Tucson when Fort Wuka is just like 50 miles away from Tucson by the way? Who did he pick up?
That's a pickup, right? That's I would assume that's a pickup. Who did Bradley Hansel pick up to continue to Fort Wuka on September 8th? Uh the very next day
on the 9th, that's the day where that meeting allegedly concluded um that Mitch Snow saw. That same plane then
flies from Fort Wuka to El Paso and arrives at 1:20 p.m. local. Remains on the ground for and
and then it returns back to Joint Base Andrews just outside of DC. Um who did he drop off in Texas? That's another
question, right? These these are registering to me like pick up and drop offs. babies landing for a meeting.
Who's in those meetings? Now, the timing of this makes Fort Wuka stand out as the center of a trip. For one, because
Bradley Hansel remained on the ground the longest there for . That's the longest stop in his trip. He opted to stay overnight at Fort Wuka before
departing the next day for El Paso. He did a quick little 20-minute helicopter tour of the border on that morning um as well before he departed for El Paso.
What was he doing there on the 8th? What was he doing there on the morning of the 9th? For comparison, when I say that was a very long stay there relative to the
rest of his trip uh in Tucson and El Paso, he was only on the ground for . Okay, ground stop and um then he's at on for a very long time.
He's at Fort Wuka. Colorado Springs was the second longest overnight stop. That was . Okay.
Also, of course, September 8th is significant because it's the day that Mitch Snow is convinced that he saw Erica Kirk at Fort Wuka leaving a hotel.
Okay. Well, what hotel did Bradley Hansel stay at on Fort Wuka on the ETH? That's interesting. We'd like to know.
45 minutesSo, he decided to file an FOIA request for his travel logs. That's the beauty of everything being paid for by the tax
dollars is that we have this ability to file an FYIA request. Okay. Who did he pick up? That's what we wanted to know.
who was on board with Bradley Hansel and we got a very unusual response. Now, we have been following a lot of these requests like we're going to be experts
by the end of this and we've heard, hey, you need to make your request more specific or hey, this department doesn't
have your request. This is the first time that we've been told we're number 3,000 on a list and we're not going to be able to get back to you. We don't know when we're going to get back to
you. Here's the exact language of the response that we received to figure out who was on this plane with Bradley Hansel from Tucson to Fort Wuka. It
reads, quote, "Although we have already begun processing your requests, we will not be able to respond within the FOIA's
20-day statutory time period as there are unusual circumstances which impact our ability to quickly process your
request. The FOIA defines unusual circumstances as the need to search for and collect records from a facility that's
geographically separated from this office or B the potential volume of the records responsive to your request. So A
and B is not us. C the need for consultation with one or more other agencies or the Department of War
components having a substantial interest in either the determination or the subject matter of the records. Okay, let's read that again because that's
going to be us, right? We're not asking for a lot. We're asking for a travel log. Who else is on this plane? So, you don't it's not too big. It's not because of the volume of records. It's not
geographically separated from this office. He works for the Department of War and it was the flight was booked from his office. I've confirmed that.
Okay. So, we're at C of why they can't honor this in 20 days. This this would be the logical option C. And I'm going to read it again. Because of the need
for consultation with one or more other agencies or the Department of War components having a substantial interest
in either the determination or the subject matter of the records. at least one if not more of these scenarios apply
or we would likely or would likely rep apply to your request. While this office does handle FYIA requests for the OSW,
the JS and other component offices, we do not actually hold their records.
Okay, so they're going over the geographic thing. That's not us. We do not hold the record. They do hold these records. It's him. It says then that we are unable to estimate the potential volume of records. Okay, that's not us.
But where this last one, your request has been placed in our complex processing queue.
and is being worked on based on the order in which the request was received.
Our current administrative workload is approximately 3,534 open requests.
This is an FOI AFU.
An FOFU. That's what it is. I didn't know we could file for that. We did. Apparently, we received it. FO FU. Candace.
Oh, really? Yeah. um we have to talk to some other departments about your request and that could take a while because they have an interest in why you
want to know who was on Sam 702 and Bradley's plane and that just means that we don't have to do the 20-day thing
which is like by law but then there's this little carveout that says that if we have to communicate to other agencies like maybe the FBI Cash Patel I don't
know Trump the executive office we don't act we can your number 3534 fifu Candace.
Weird.
First time we've seen it. Guys, I'm happy to report that we are number 3,534th in line
to never receive a request from the government about who was on that plane to Fort Wuka.
Absolutely stunning. Truly stunning. I can't believe we're , guys.
We're like not even going to be able to cover everything else. like we're we're like it's already late today and my daughter has a little bit of a fever.
So, let's uh we'll we'll do um we'll do uh another ad break and then I'm going to get to some of your comments. We'll be right back. All right, you guys.

Chapter 6: Larry Loomer's RECEIPTS trend on X, Erika cries again.
Sorry, I was just asking something to my producer about a clip that we had pulled a while ago that um of Erica at the end of the recent leader women's summit
event. It's I guess women's summit event. Yeah, no worries. Let me know if you can pull it. If not, no big deal. We can always just save it for Monday. But it just further illustrates my point
about like her changing face of emotions like she doesn't know how to emote correctly or why people find her to be strange because she doesn't have any
experience with these emotions. Um and that it just strikes me as so odd. I'm so bothered by that trip to Maine and it
I'm bothered because there was there was no intent. It was just like people just talking about what was going on.
Everybody's friends, nothing against Erica. I was like, "Oh, amazing.
Whatever." And that was what was in the back of my head when I was at first relieved because I was like, "She will look into whether or not there was an Israel angle here." And we got the exact
opposite thing. Anyway, I want to shout us out. I want and I want to give a special shout out to my producer Ashley who worked really hard. I do want to clear up some rumors though because some
people were alleging that it was a CVS receipt when we showed uh Larry Loomer's receipt. That's that
is fake news. It's conspiracy. That was a true Lumer receipt. We were happy to have Loomer here and we're grateful that X picked up the trend and recognized
that Larry Loomer was in office. Check this out on X. Loomer confronts Owens on show over Kirk conspiracy theories. We were very happy to be joined by Larry
Loomer. She appeared in person, X tells us on show to debunk her theories um debunk my theories. It also says that Owens mocked Loomer's receipts with a
clown emoji and a fake long receipt clip while Loomer called it cringe. That's just it wasn't fake, it was real. We're just trying to keep track of all of
Loomer's receipts cuz she kind of lets them go and uh we had time. And so we we really thank Larry Loomer for joining us. Top comment from yesterday's
episode, by the way. Kaye said, "My day does not feel complete until I hear Candace hit us with the classic." All right, you guys. I don't know why I always say that. Just feels right. All
right, you guys. Is it all right? I don't know, but it is when you're watching this show. Uh, this user writes, "Breaking news. Ivanka just told
her dad that the Albanians are two weeks away from having a nuclear bomb." I bet they are. That sounds right to me. That
seems like the next logical step of the story because, yeah, if you want the land, then they're just they're probably
working on a nuke. That'll help the narrative. I believe her. I believe Ivanka. She's just she's she had the the
aura sound behind her. So, you know, I'm I'm I'm team I'm team Amaka. Oh, great.
My producers were able to pull the Erica clip. This is like the end of her speech when she got heckled and called a pedophile protector. A lot of emotions
happening in her face. Anyway, this take a listen.
Character a fixed disposition that radiates through actions.
Every choice made for a good reason makes a good mark in your soul.
Every choice made for a bad reason makes a bad mark in your soul.
And one day all of this all of this this life every win
that makes me so uncomfortable. the criticism, the heartbreak, the joy, and the sorrow.
It'll all be reduced to dust.
But what you etched in your soul remains forever.
So build a life that can survive eternity.
Welcome to the Women's Leadership Summit. We're so grateful. God bless you all.
It's like a really bad daytime soap opera acting like why was she shaking?
No. One day, one day what etches in your soul will be
forever in your soul. You will take it. to dust.
Welcome to the Women's Leadership Summit. That's weird. It's just It's weird. It's authentic. It's practice. It's rehearsed. It's not written by you.
It's obvious. This is not how people speak. Just be normal. Stop shaking your head no while you're saying yes. Anyway,
56 minutesum let's get into comments from today's episode. We're already running over time. It's Friday. I'm completely inappropriate. Tucker, forgive me. I hope you're fine with me sharing that. I
just it literally just came to my head right before we went live and I was like this is what bothers me about July. I totally forgot Erica was anti-Israel on
July. Uh allegedly Zamit writes this Fourth of July. Let's all remember that it's we the people and
Chapter 7: Comments & final thoughts.
not we the elites. President Trump, please resign if you have any dignity left. He has no dignity left. There's no point. Um he's just going to do what he's told to do. He has no courage.
Forget the dignity he has no he he's a coward. Ally writes, "Tucker recently said TPUSA didn't invite him this year.
It adds to the theory that they took out Charlie because he gave Tucker a platform and was abandoning Israel. They had to keep him for Amfest 2025 because
Charlie publicly fought his donors over Tucker." Well, there was no question they were going to, you know, push out Tucker, push out Megan. I don't like
like I said that it just has no energy behind it anymore. It's just over. The the organization died with
57 minutesTucker. I mean, died with Charlie, pardon me. Sarah writes, "Tp USA tactics. Come on, Dan." Although you imagine what he had to do or agree to to be able to get back to his podcast.
Yeah, he's It was just weird. Like he's like an He's just angry. He's like yapping and like you're like you're not saying anything of substance. You're not debunking Tucker. And just this tough
guy act of like I'm You think I can't beat up Tucker? Like that is so played out that Tucker's not going to fight you. Like what are you talking about? He wears boat shoes and goes fishing. He's
like a chill guy. You don't look cool doing that. her as so unbelievably lame.
Tube writes, "They keep saying Charlie and Candace weren't friends. Why then did Erica meet Candace in such a tight schedule and why did Andrew called Candace the very first day and shared so
many things? Make it make sense." TP USA, they can't. They're just trying to delete Charlie's history, Charlie's perspective, Charlie's friendships. Um, they fought viciously to do it. They
couldn't sell it. They had a ton of money to put behind this narrative that Charlie and I didn't talk. The US magazine article, Charlie was afraid to talk to Candace. What are you like? We
traveled together for years. Year years was afraid to talk to me. Me calling scared to pick up my calls. Literally
Erica's got his phone. Publish how many times Candace Owens has called Charlie Kirk. I don't do calls. It's just not my thing. It's just I I don't like it's
just the in your ear. You know what I'm talking about? I also don't like AirPods for the same reason. I just feel like it's putting stuff in my brain. So, I just
don't do calls. I just text and I never answer my text messages. I'm terrible at that. It's just not I'm not a phone
communicator. It's not my thing. Coach E writes, "When TPUSA dropped the trolling video, they introduced it to a room full of women, not us. Therefore, TPUSA was
trolling women." Well, that's excuse is just not adding up. Have you heard of the Leah files for TPUSA audit is legit?
I have not heard of it. Um, and I wish I could have done an audit of some sort, but I try to stay within my skill set. I can organize. I, you know, that's why
I've got so many kids. I could do a timeline. I can't be the person that's behind the accounting. So, um, yeah, I actually should go look at some of the
videos of people who have been doing that. Someone's feral GG writes, "Gate kid activated. Knowing the SCOP is half the battle. Go, Max. Christ is king."
Totally agree. Christ is king. Truth is winning. And they are angry and on the run. Um, I think the I read all of them.
I think I skipped one. Nope, I didn't. I did not skip one. Uh, lastly, Francesca writes, "Candice, you really Francesca
writes, "You really need to investigate why Charlie's parents are not speaking out. An interview would make sense. I fear they have been forced to stand back." They were always really private, so that didn't strike me as a surprise
at all. They were fiercely private. I mean, I only met them a handful of times when they came to a couple of Charlie's events. It's just not the way they operate. Uh, like I and I don't find
that to be suspicious because it kind of it's like my in-laws. Like, they're not like there are people that just aren't wired that way. and they would never
want to be in like they weren't involved in the face of politics despite how big Charlie was and it wouldn't be their natural thing to do. So
1 hourthat's my opinion. I don't think they were forced to stand back at all. I do wonder what they think about Erica.
I'd like to know if they're watching and maybe I do know that some people in his family do watch and do support. Reach out. I'd love to talk to you. I'd keep
it all off record. I promise. Anyway, you guys, if you'd like to support the show, you can head over to more [email protected].
And um Oh, no. That's that's so wrong.
I'm sorry, guys. I'm like still jetlagged. Why would you guys give me more tips? You're making me look bad. If you'd like to support the show, you could head you could head to candace Owens.com. I don't know if I'm going to
be able to do book club. I'm just like Russia exhausted. I feel like book club people, please don't kill me. Can I move it to Monday? People in book club, is it
okay if I move it to Monday? It's like . I'm so tired. I have no more words.
They're going to have to Forgive me. I'm going to have to put them in the Tucker basket. Please forgive me, Tucker.
Please forgive me, people in I'm book club because I'm going to have to bump this. Can we do Monday? Tucker, I mean, you're not Tucker. You're Skyler.
1 minuteThere's no way I can do book club. I think Tucker's in the control room. I'm coming apart on this Friday night. Skyler.
Okay. Did Yeah, but I feel like I probably don't know when that's going to end. So, I feel like can we just do like Monday?
Make Monday a double.
I feel like Monday works because I'm like my brain is fried right now. I have I'm just having like a personal phone conversation on a podcast live with like 70,000 people watching. This is completely crazy. I need to get off air.
Um, if you guys like to support the show, you go to ksoits.com and uh get some merch. We dropped our six million mug. That's why I wanted to mention we dropped our six million. It's pretty. She is pretty. Stop anticipism.
I'm also going to like start um a GoFundMe. I want to buy one for Ben because he's very anti- Candaceist Ben.
I just don't know why he's always attacking me. Ben Shapiro telling me people that I'm not on vacation when I am. I just I just want to get him one of these. It just feels fitting. Anyway,
$20 for a mug. Um yeah, it's the easiest way to support the show. All right, you guys. I obviously am going to bed right now. I'm really sorry to the book club.
I'm sorry to Tuck Cross and Tucker.
Please still be my friend. It was just a memory. I love you, Tucker. I love everything you're doing.
Troy said, "You're still talking. Go to bed. Rust up." Okay. Troy sent me to bed. I got to go. Troy says, "Bye. I'll see you on Monday.
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