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Injuries on Charlie's Chest Reveal Potential Source(s) of Blast - Ep 134
Baron Coleman
Streamed live 3 hours ago

Today on X, I released a photograph that had not been seen publicly before today. In it, there are clear injuries. There also is an apparent rectangle where almost no injuries occurred. I'll tell you what I think it means. That picture is available at x.com/baroncoleman.

We also follow up on a witness who was featured on TV after Charlie Kirk was taken down. Who is she? And is there a reason she was interviewed.





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Chapter 1: Why Candace Owens had an Emergency Broadcast
All right, guys. Welcome in. I'm as well as I can be. I am sick. Holy mackerel.
Um, but today is an important day. So, I am not in a hoodie. I apologize. You will soon understand in a few minutes why I am not in a hoodie. Um, there is It has nothing to do with me being sick.
There's a particular reason I'm not in a hoodie, but when [clears throat] I get there, you will um you'll understand why, but I did not feel like a day today was a day I could miss um for a couple
reasons. one is um last night uh
I had a very serious conversation uh about this case and you know sometimes you you realize
you have half of a story and someone else has half of a story and you don't know the other person has the
other half and then you get to talking and you're just you know sort of of working your way through a story and you
realize, holy mackerel. Um, if if I show this and you show that, we we've I think
we have a big component of the story and neither of us um were aware of it. So, spoke with Candace last night for a very
long time. Um, I want to be very clear about something. Nobody's gatekeeping anything. Uh, nobody's gatekeeping anything. There's there's been I I've
been watching X here the last couple of hours since Candace kicked off her show two two or three hours ago and um the haters are out in full force. That's to
be expected. That's that's normal. The haters are out in full force and the reason is because I don't think
we've ever been closer to to verifying a key component of this story. Period.
um several months ago, six or seven months ago, I I came into possession of a a photograph and it was not one that was part of the
public um publicly released photographs to that point. And I described it to the audience when I got it, but I was given explicit instructions from the source.
And you guys may not understand how this works, but if you want people to give you information, sometimes it comes with conditions.
So, if you know, I'll pull up a random person here. Um, this is uh Beth Parl Paris. Beth Paris. If Beth comes to me
and says, "Hey, humble host, I have um a story, but you can't share it, but if
you can somehow use it to um to to get some more information or to help put pieces together in your head, I'd like you to at least be aware it happened.
But you may not even talk about it. You can't reveal to anyone that you've talked to somebody who's explained these things. You can't reveal to anyone that
you've had a conversation with anyone at all on this topic. Let's say it's, you know, I saw somebody running across the Losi center roof and this is the time
they ran across and oh, I happen to capture a picture of it. Here's the picture. But I don't want you to use it in any capacity.
You accept that information on those terms. And if you're a person of integrity, you obey those terms. you
obey the terms. Um, I've lived my life keeping secrets. That's just the the nature of what I do. I'm a lawyer.
Somewhere over there, there's an oath on my wall over there. I don't know if you guys can see it. It's over here. Um, is the oath I took to to be part of the Florida Bar in 2007.
And one of those is you keep your client's secrets. So, I've kept my client's secrets for the better part of 20 years. I was first licensed to
practice law in August or September of 2006. Uh first practiced law in Florida in 2007,
April of 2007. Uh finally licensed in Tennessee here in the last few years. I'm not even sure what year that was.
But um but you keep your client's secrets. You know, I've had I've had clients tell me, "Look, I committed the crime, but I don't want to go to prison."
Okay. Well, let's offer the best defense we can do within the confines of the law, within the bounds of the law. And so you come up with a defense. Maybe
maybe your client doesn't testify because if he testifies and he's honest, he's going to admit he did it. So maybe he doesn't testify or maybe maybe he
does testify, but he's very cautious about what he says, not to lie, but to make the other side draw it out of him.
Whatever it is, but as the lawyer, you're not allowed to tell anyone your client did it. I've never told Mrs.
Coleman that. I've never told anyone some of the things my clients have told me because I am bound to secrecy. I honor sources the same way. I honor sources the same way.
I received this photo with the idea or with the understanding, the gim, the limitation, the guards. You may describe the picture, you may not show the
picture. And there were particular reasons why. And he did not want me to explain why I could not show the picture. And that's fine. I honored it.
And so I did describe the picture. And what I described was uh what I would call like negative space. There's there's there's damage to the chest or
there are marks around the chest, but there's clear negative space in that in that uh I'll pull her comment down.
There's clear negative space in that in that area there.
And I I described that I described what I saw.
I've since gotten permission to show a part of the photograph and I did that today on X and I refer you to my ex account, Baron Coleman, because I
unfortunately YouTube rules are not going to allow me to show it on camera.
today. So if you want to see it and know what I'm talking about, you have to go to the expost x.com
Baron Coleman and you will you'll see it there. Baron with one R Coleman. Um, and we'll talk about that a little bit tonight. But I honored the condition
and so I clipped it down to what he told me I could share and I shared it today because I now have permission to do that. The um idea that that is somehow
called considered gatekeeping is ludicrous. Right? It's ludicrous.
There's also another reason why you might not show everything you have. And I've talked to several podcasters who are holding additional material and they
might not be showing everybody what they have because they're letting people walk into it. They're letting you you give
enough, they respond, and in their response you allow them you you're setting a trap. I'll give you a very famous
example. James O'Keefe is an investigative reporter. He used to run a nonprofit called Project Veritass. I think he runs something now called like
James O'Keeffe Network or something. I'm not sure what it is. Uh very smart guy, very capable uh investigator, uh great journalist, and he has made a career out
of going undercover and getting people to say things that they wouldn't or ordinarily say, and then he then publishes that stuff.
He's he's done a great job with it. He's uh he's probably the best. But his he made his name on a a story called The Acorn Story. I don't know if you guys
remember the Acorn story. I actually have it lined up and outlined to do an open one day. Maybe I'll still do it, but I want to talk about it briefly right now. There was a nonprofit called Acorn.
And [clears throat] what Acorn would do is they would um help miners get illegal abortions. I think that's I don't think
I'm mischaracterizing that. If I am, I apologize. I'm not trying to. But but he went undercover and he showed where they
were doing this in at least one occasion and he released it and instantly the organization came out and said, "Oh, no, no, no, no, no. We're
not doing it all over. That's just that onea one one location." They went rogue.
Okay. So about a week later he drops another location.
Oh, no, no, no. This isn't a companywide policy. That's just another rogue location. We didn't know they were doing that. And then he dropped another one
and another one and another one. And what he eventually showed is it was in fact a widespread practice within this organization.
And he took ACORN down. He got federal funding strip from ACORN. Um they became associated with uh you know sort of in
the public vernacular if you talk about ACORN is sort of a joke of an organization. They might be doing fine stuff now. I have no idea what they're doing. I haven't followed them in 15 years.
But had he released everything he had on day one, they wouldn't have walked into the story. So what he did was and he he
consulted with a guy named Andrew Breitbart. I don't know if you guys remember Andrew Breitbart. He was sort of a a Gonzo journalist himself and he went to Breitbart and he said,
"Hey, I have this story on Acorn. I have all these 10 things. We're going to take down Acorn." He said, "No, no, no, no, no. We're not going to take down Acorn.
You never do things for one reason. Yes, we're going to take down Acorn, but we're going to take down the media." And so what he did was he he put out the
single ACORN story and he let every all the media come to the defense of ACORN.
And then once the media had come to the defense of ACORN, then he showed time and time again all the instances where this was a
widespread practice and the media lost a tremendous amount of credibility because it became obvious they weren't in search of the truth. They weren't reporting what happened. they were uh just trying to to cover for a political position.
They just that's all they were doing.
And and when I was talking to Candace last night, she shared with me that she was doing the same thing, that there
were some images that she had in her possession that she had released and they showed a few pieces of those black flexcks around the SUV that I don't
think I'm sharing anything she didn't want me to share. If so, I apologize, principal. Um, but they showed a few images of the the black flex around the
SUV, and she rightly identified that as glass, what looked like a broken road microphone. You could even see the white
paint on it. I'll show you um show you an example of it right here.
Here's a road microphone. Um, you can see the white paint on it. You can see the there's there's different white images around this and it's all covered
in some sort of a tempered glass. You can see it shining off the studio lights in the background.
And it's a lot of it. It's a lot of it.
And so she allowed everyone to come to the defense and act like she was crazy.
Oh, that's not tempered glass. That's not black glass. That's so stupid. That Candace, she just makes stuff up. She doesn't know what she's talking about.
And so I I I kind of said, "Hey, it's time. You know, you're going on vacation for a couple weeks. It's time. It's time to drop the hammer on all these trolls.
Time to drop the hammer on Gary Meltdown. It's time to drop the hammer on Lisa Knows nothing. It's time to drop the hammer on, you know, uh, Mohawk
Allen. It's time to drop the hammer on these people because what they're doing is the equivalent of what the media did in the Acorn story. They're just coming
to the defense of a political position that they prefer. I'm now convinced there are only two classes of people who believe Tyler Robinson
planned and executed Charlie Kirk alone from the Losi center roof with a granddad's 306. There only two classes of people. One is people who pay no attention.
They've been told that on the media.
They accepted it and they moved on. They do other stuff. They take their kids to volleyball practice. Maybe they coach a softball league.
Maybe they coach their uh know termite league football, pee-wee football. Uh you know, five, six, eight year olds playing playing tackle football. Well,
maybe they maybe they have a job where they work a week.
Unfortunately, in this economy, that's increasingly common. You have a job and then you have a second job and then you you run Uber Eats in the evening and you I mean, I know a lot of people this way.
This is what they do because it's a very expensive uh economy. It's a very expensive time to be alive and they just
don't have time to investigate the Charlie Kirk assassination. So, they hear on Fox News that Tyler Robinson did it. They just accept it. So, that's kind of class one.
The only other class of people who believe Tyler Robinson solely planned and executed Charlie Kirk from the Losi
Center with Grandad's 306 are people who politically support TPUSA and um our greatest ally. That's it.
That's it. Every other person believes there's something wrong with this story.
It doesn't add up. It doesn't make sense. But those people who do pay attention, who know better,
immediately came to the defense of TPUSA and said, "That's not broken glass.
That's something else. That we don't know what that is. You guys are just making stuff up." And so I said, "You know what? It's time. Go ahead and drop the hammer on them. You're going to be
gone for a couple of weeks. That gives everyone two weeks to come forward." And then we looked at some pictures.
And I saw in one of the pictures a missing piece to the picture I've been holding on to. I'll show you that tonight. I saw in one of those pictures
a missing piece of the evidence I've been holding on to and and have not had permission to share to this to this point. Only describe, not share.
And that was a singed material, a burned piece of material.
Because when I have my picture that is available on x.com, you can go look at it. What you see
is a piece of Charlie's body that's about this big that is undamaged.
And that piece was right here on his body.
Right here on his body. There's a piece on his body. The corner is to his right nipple
and then it goes back and down a couple of inches and then forward two or three inches and then back up and is plain as day. It looks like there was an adhesive
something or something taped to his body in that location and all around it is damage.
14 minutesIt's damage.
Skin damage. Uh it, you know, is it smeared blood? I don't know what it is, but it is damage. It looks like burns to me. I don't think blood would dry that
quickly. Maybe some of it is blood mixed in with some of the other stuff, but it's clear whatever happened here. You
have above it a a big thing of red. You have behind it a thing of red. It almost looks like a sunburn. And you have below
it a thing of red that looks kind of like splotchy sunburn. It It looks like burned skin to me.
And so I'm going to tell you tonight what I think it was. It's it's the missing piece that I've not had is what was right there. You know, was he
recovering from some sort of rib injury and had a lidocaine patch? Actually have one of those here. The lidocaine patch.
It's um fuzzy on one side, slick on the other. This side, if you pull this adhesive off, this this plastic sheath
on the back, it's sticky and it's got a medicine in it. I've used these on my shoulder. I have a bad shoulder and I will put these right here and they will
help soothe the shoulder. This the skin will absorb that lidocaine.
And so I don't know, did he have a broken rib and he had a lidocaine patch right there? But if so, why did they take it off?
This had to be taken off while he was under the table.
And the reason I say that is because the picture I have, the metadata says it was about 24 to s after the Big Bang.
If you remember, after the Big Bang, Charlie goes down, everybody's behind the table and they're doing stuff.
Everybody's grabbing. They actually lift Charlie's arm up at one point. No idea what they're doing under there.
Arm comes back down. Um maybe in the coming days or weeks we'll go over some of that footage. That arm comes down and
then they carry him off. And when they carry him off, his shirt is kind of rolled up up here and they're holding on to that shirt with their hands. They're
not supporting his head. His head is dangling at an angle. I cannot make my neck do like it's it's kind of like upside down.
The image I have shows his face and his head and his neck. And that's why I was asked not to show the picture because I do think that picture would be traumatic
to his family. I genuinely do. Um he's he looks dead and his neck is being held in such a
position that I I just am shocked, frankly shocked that these sons of biscuits did not protect his head and
neck as they were carrying him off and chucking him into an SUV like a side of beef.
But I could not get over, if you've got the picture up on another image, if you got it up on another computer or a phone or something and you're looking at this image, I could not get over what I call that negative space.
The negative space is some sort of adhesive or some sort of device that was right here under his right
17 minutesnipple. And I'm going to tell you tonight in just a second what I think it was, what I think was right there. I could be
wrong. I'm open to being wrong, but I think it was one of these.
Chapter 2: About the Rode Microphone Theory; My Spin on the Theory
When you have one of these and you're broadcasting from it, I'm going to broadcast from it now for just a moment so you guys can hear what it sounds like. I'm going to switch from my
regular mic to the road go wireless mic. That's what I'm broadcasting from now. It's in here.
You can't see it, but it is it is in here. It's equipped with the ma with the u black magnet that you guys see on
Charlie's shirt. I have no idea what I sound like right now. The microphone is on the inside of my shirt.
The magnet is on the outside of my shirt. This is the the setup he had.
Now, in order to operate this mic to a computer, in order to um to operate this mic into
a computer, I'm going to flip back to my regular mic because you guys say it sounds like crap.
[snorts]
There, back on the regular mic. In order to operate this microphone, this is the mic. You can see it's on,
lights on. In order to operate this microphone to a computer, to capture audio on a
computer in real time, it has to have one of these. You'll see this is on.
This is the receiver for the audio. You can see it's connected to my computer right now with a cord, a C, a C T C T C T C T C T C T C T C T C T C TOC connection.
Doing this means my road microphone is attached to my computer. It's recording locally to my computer. I mean, it's not
not recording locally. It's recording to my computer.
You guys that are complaining about the audio being under the shirt, that ought to tell you why what they were doing with Charlie Kirk was not was not correct.
It ought to tell you that them putting that microphone on under his shirt is not a way to capture good audio.
And there might have been some other reason they were recording that way. I don't know what it was.
But this thing right here normally is connected to a camera or a computer.
But if you are Charlie Kirk and you don't know much about
microphones and audio and all that, I can see
someone convincing you that having this thing attached under your shirt right here
is some new thing we're trying. We're going to capture audio differently.
We're going to capture this audio differently.
And it's just under your shirt right here. It's just under your shirt right here.
What you'll notice is these things are constructed the same. They have the same glass tempered finish.
They're the same size. They have the same sides. They have the same back.
So if one of these was destroyed, you wouldn't know which one it is.
You'd have no idea.
Is it the road microphone that was up here under his shirt or is it something that was down here under his right nipple?
And when we go back and watch the footage of Charlie being I'm going to put these This is how
they're stored. This is how the new version is stored. They're stored on this little USB tree. When we go watch the video footage of Charlie being taken
down, there's absolutely no doubt in my mind, 0% doubt in my mind that something under his shirt went crazy.
Shirts don't act like that in response to a 306 round to the neck. They just don't.
Period. End of story. They never will act like it. But what about this? What about this?
If you have your transmitter or your receiver, excuse me,
and it's somehow attached to this and it makes a big bang or it explodes or it has some sort of directional
charge. I prefer directional charge from shape charge. Shape charge has a specific meaning that I don't think applies here, but I think directional charge is very accurate
and it explodes and it it's it's gone and it's broken.
You can see in the video footage a microphone looking thing fall down into his shirt.
You can also see the magnet stays put on his neck up here.
And so what you end up with is TPUSA saying, "No, his microphone didn't explode.
The microphone on his neck, no, no, no, no. It didn't explode at all. It remained whole up here.
But you still have a source of this blacktempered glass.
And you have it all inside of his shirt.
You notice after the event, a lot of people were walking around looking all over the ground underneath the tent.
You notice they immediately dug up 10 in of dirt all around the area. They blocked it off so no one could walk there. And then they dug up 10 inches of
dirt and moved it out of the way and put down concrete pavers in the dead of night. Well, I say dead of night over the weekend in Utah, which is essentially the dead of night, right?
Sunday in Utah, not a lot of activities happening.
And I think that's precisely what happened. If you look at the image that I posted on X today that I cannot show on YouTube. I'm sorry. I just cannot.
But if you look at that image, you'll see something about this big was covering his chest.
And it would have been a perfect place to mount something this big on top of it.
It would have been a perfect place to mount something that big on top of it.
Now, when something that big comes from right here and it explodes or it sends a directional charge, a directional
um explosion, I think it hit his necklace.
I think it came out and it hit his necklace and sent his necklace up at a very high rate of speed.
I have reason to believe that the charge itself was not PETN, but that it was C4.
uh if it was related to the AES plant explosion and I don't know that it was but if it was it would have been C4
not PETN and I'll explain next week why I believe that uh we have documentation to support that
absolutely have documentation to support that that if it was related to AES if it was related to that August 25th delivery
of some sort of anti-personnel extra small anti-person uh anti uh personnel demolition device that it
is a C4 order, not a PET order. C4 is made from something called RDX. It's an explosive. They mix it with some
plasticizers and you can mold it to go in any direction you want. This is something they use in demolitions all the time. They'll mold the C4 around the joints of a piece of steel, for example.
It's very stable. You can shoot u C4 with a gun and it will not explode.
You can throw it into a fireplace with a burning fire and it will not explode. In order for C4 to explode, it has to have an electric charge.
An electric charge has to put a certain pulse into the C4.
And that C4 in in response to that shock wave will then explode. it'll detonate.
I don't know what that electric charge would have been in this situation. I don't know. Again, I'm not 100% sure it was C4 or PETN,
but if you look at the image I posted today on X, there is no doubt in my mind, 0% doubt in my mind whatsoever
that he had something taped or or adhesive, some sort of uh fixed to his body, something about this big.
Now, I'm going to show you a couple pictures. This is going to be a little different show than I normally do. I'm going to show you a picture of why I think it's that big.
This is the first picture.
This is the first picture. This is what I'm talking about right here. This right here, you can see has charred edges.
This looks like charred edges. Some sort of metallic something that looks burned. This thing looks burned.
It's blackened. It's charred. It has some blood on it.
But if it if it was stuck to the body from behind,
then all this would roll over the top of it and it would create that effect I'm talking about. It would it would roll over the top.
All that blood and stuff would roll over the top of this and the body itself would not get bloody. It would not get burned. It
would not get charred because the body itself is protected. The body itself is protected from that.
And if you look at the picture I posted on X, you'll see precisely what I'm talking about. Now, let me go back to this for a second and I'll tell you why I know it's that big. A lot of pe I
heard I watched Candace today. She did an excellent job, but a lot of people were speculating it might be a t-shirt or something that was burned.
I can tell you for a fact it's not that big. Uh, first that's the entry of the door.
You can even see a little piece of the black stuff right there. But that's the entry to the door right there. That that entry to the door, you know, is only a few inches. And this is smaller than that.
But I want you to look at this right here.
That's one of these. This is a pulox.
I want you to look at the size of the pulseox compared to the size of the negative space on Charlie.
They're about the same, right? They're about the same size.
So, if you go back and look at this piece of charred material, whatever this is, and you look at it relative to this
Chapter 3: New Pictures of the SUV Used to Remove Charlie Kirk
pulseox machine, they're about the same size, but this has been folded up a little bit. probably had some adhesive on it.
Probably was a little bit malleable.
It was able to be bent. And so as they rip it off of his body, that's the condition it comes out in. It looks a little bit like this.
But you can see it's about the same size, give or take.
But it's these chars even with the little pieces of black in it. You can see right here, for example, I don't know if you can see my mouse,
but I'm like maybe a third of the way up in the middle. You can see a little piece of that charred plastic right there. You can see another little piece
over here beside it. Right here, you can see two little metal pieces.
Look like little metal wire clips or something, little holders. That makes a lot of sense if you're talking about explosives. You would need some sort of metal to conduct the charge.
But to me, these are about the same size.
And again, if you go back and look at the negative space on Charlie's body, they're about the same size. Now, the only other thing I've heard that this
might be that made sense to me is the lithium ion battery inside the microphone. I don't believe it's that.
I don't believe it's that. Um, if it is, that's even more damning because that means this microphone clearly exploded.
But I've seen people on X. I'll show you an example of one here. Um where they have um
that is a lithium ion battery. You can see the the layers to it here.
And you can see how this kind of might have some layers to it. I just don't think that's what it is.
I think it is instead whatever it was that was covering Charlie's body right there.
But that's the piece that I've been missing from my hypothesis that the explosive charge did not come from his
neck at all. It came from below him, taped to his body, strapped to his body.
Now, I believe it was meant to look like a chest wound, chest shot. We we saw the
highlight reel of people in newscast saying that they thought they saw a chest wound.
I don't know. Maybe um or maybe they were sent out to say that. I I tend to think the reason they said that is they
saw so much activity under the shirt that it didn't make sense that it was a neck shot. Because instinctively, intuitively, we know that that you don't
get a neck wound that causes your shirt to move the way Charlie's shirt moved.
when he was taken down, but the what was supposed to look like a chess shot, I think, malfunctioned.
If you look carefully at that picture I put up on X, if you have it pulled up, and I again, I deeply apologize I'm unable to do this. If you look at this
picture on X, you can actually see kind of towards the middle of his torso where his pendant was hanging, you can see another couple of small marks on his body.
Maybe tomorrow or something I'll put up one that's a little more clear on that or I'll highlight it or I'll make it brighter or something. I added no editing to this. I just clipped it out.
This is exactly how I received the image.
But I think when it exploded, it hit that necklace and it caused the necklace to shoot up into the pull his
shirt way up like that. Now, what entered the neck? Was it some sort of directional charge? Was it some sort of
object that was propelled from the from the exploding uh device? I don't know.
Was it the cross or St. Michael's pendant or whatever that went into his neck? I don't know. I don't know.
But you can tell a couple of things from the nature of the the wound itself. One thing you can tell is it's not very deep. It's not very deep. It looks like
it just kind of goes right here. The other thing you can tell is it's not arterial blood. It's vein. It's venus blood. It's the jugular vein right
33 minutesthere, not the artery that runs right next to it. And the reason you can tell that is it's it's the right color for
arterial blood, but it also doesn't spurt like arterial blood does. You arterial blood is pumping very fast
and it just if you see someone get shot in the neck, I mean, it just shoots shoots blood away from him. Whereas his just sort of rolled out. That's more um
that's more in line with venus blood, jugular vein blood, than it is um arterial blood. Even though both of
those tubes, both of those vessels run right there in the same part of the neck.
I'm sweating like a pig because I got a fever. Sorry guys. Um,
what this sets up for me is a situation where multiple people would have had to convince Charlie, hey, we're trying something new.
We're going to tape one of these things to your midsection here. We'll put something under it so it's not uncomfortable. You know, you don't want to just like tape a microphone to
somebody's body, you know. We'll put an adhesive down and then we'll affix the microphone to that adhesive or the receiver to that adhesive
and then that was detonated or that went off.
And you can tell, in my opinion, plain as day, that's what happened under the chest.
So, when I put this picture up, a lot of people said, "Well, that's not where his microphone was." Well, no kidding. Not at all where his microphone was. But
there's one more piece of this that makes a lot of sense that I might be right. And it's that there's wounds to
the top, there's damaged skin to the outside, and there's damaged skin underneath, but there's no damaged skin on this side.
If you explode something and you want it to go that way, the device itself is going to have a tremendous amount of pull going that way
because physics is physics. For every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction. You've seen a rocket take off, right?
The the the the smoke, the exhaust goes down, the rocket goes up.
People are asking for the X account. Let me put it up here and you can go look at it here.
x.com/baroncom.
You'll go there and you'll see the picture I'm talking about. You have to scroll down. Maybe I can pin this
uh pinned to my profile. There we go. So now it's pinned to the top of the profile. Um so you'll see what I'm talking about.
And you would see that the energy would come this way and cause the burns and the whatever this way, but the but whatever the object is would come this way.
I believe he was probably rigged to make it look like he got shot over here
and it malfunctioned and it hit something that that then went into his neck. Hit the necklace or hit
something and went into his neck. That's just a guess. Um, it could have actually shot a round of some sort up, but but
that that to me is a little more difficult to explain. I don't know the precise mechanics of the how, but I'm
confident this image shows a lot about what the how was.
That he had something affixed to his body here and that that caused a tremendous amount of damage to his body in that location.
But that whatever it was that padding, whatever this stuff is, took the brunt of the damage.
Took the brunt of the damage. Now I want to go to a different image
37 minutesbecause this
image here is the newest image we have of the SUV
that shows the broken glass. This was the trap that Candace had set and let people walk right into it.
The previous image we had of the SUV did not show this down here. Did not show all this broken glass down here.
It showed little pieces and shards kind of sprinkled around up here. Like you could see these little pieces up here.
It showed some in the back seat where Frank was sitting where just a few of them were scattered around.
But it did not show the bulk of it which was down here.
There's no explanation to me short of
one of these things exploding, one of these things breaking and being damaged. There's absolutely no
explanation for why broken glass, broken black glass with little right pieces of white pieces of writing on them are
collected directly between the bucket seats where Charlie's torso was laying
whatsoever. There's no explanation for me why this would be down here based on the story we were told about
what happened on the way to the hospital.
That explanation fails to explain all this broken glass. Nor do I believe all
this broken glass fell off of Charlie as he's laid over these two bucket seats
and nobody noticed all this stuff was falling off of him. I refuse to believe that they didn't notice.
I refuse to believe that they did not know this was coming off of Charlie's body or was wiped off of Charlie's body,
which would help explain why some of it is sprinkled around the back seat, sprinkled around the front seat.
And so when I learned that she had this other image and that she was waiting for people to come and say, "Hey, oh, that's
not broken glass. That's just we don't know what that is. That could be dried flaked up blood. I heard people saying it was dried flaked up blood. Well, that's not dried flaked up blood.
I heard people say, "Ah, maybe maybe somebody dropped their cell phone." Nobody dropped their cell phone. Nobody in the car claims to have dropped and
broken their cell phone. And if they did, you'll know that's not what broken cell phone glass looks like either. And you have to kind of pick at it to get
the broken glass to fall off the cell phone anyway. It just you fall and shatter the cell phone. It it it remains in one screen. It doesn't it doesn't fall out.
And so my thought was, we've got them.
We've got them because they did not tell us about the burn on Charlie's chest or the negative
space where there was no injury on Charlie's chest. They did not tell us about the broken glass in between the bucket seats.
They told us that they had a relatively uneventful ride from either of those perspectives.
But Frank Turret gave us a good a good um clue that they knew that burnmark existed.
Do you remember his ridiculous story um about
um his ridiculous story about um him
cutting the shirt off because he wanted to have a place for defibrillators.
If you look up and and I again I don't know what YouTube is is weird about right now. They they clearly don't want
us talking about this. We have to be extra cautious tonight.
But if you go and you look up on Google images defibrillator damage or CPR related injuries
where you can see where they put a paddle on somebody, it looks a lot like the picture that I showed. It looked a whole lot like the picture I showed.
Because where the paddle goes on you, there's no damage. But around the paddle, there are burn marks. Red, the
skin gets red and burned because you're you're putting a tremendous amount of electricity through the body. Where the paddles are
connected, it doesn't arc. It just goes right into the skin, but around it, you'll get these little arc burns all around it.
[snorts]
And that's what the damage looks like.

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I think they got him in the SUV and thought, "Holy mackerel, we've got a problem."
He's got burns on his chest in in a a um in a pattern that looks
like something was covering it because something was covering it. And because the device did not perform as expected, you end up with these burns all over three sides of it.
And so he comes up with this ludicrous story in my opinion that, oh, I wanted to get his shirt cut off so that they could do defibrillator.
There's a second clue, though. Everybody said he was dead at the scene. That was their official story. They tell us this all the time. Oh, we take peace that
Charlie closed his eyes while he was talking to an audience member. He closed his eyes and he woke up and he saw Jesus.
He was dead instantly.
Well, then Brian Harpole comes up with this random tidbit of information in one of the podcast that no, in fact, they got a heartbeat while they were at the hospital.
Well, that's not compatible with having previously been dead at the scene and then 45
minutes later at the hospital you just randomly get a heartbeat. Oh, and then and he says, "Well, you know, the body does weird things." No, the body doesn't do weird things.
The body doesn't do weird things like that. If you're dead at the scene, if you're dead at the scene, the body
doesn't do weird things. The other thing they told us was they didn't know if he had a heartbeat in the car. Why? Go back to this.
This takes about I don't know to put on maybe.
And when you put it on, you can see this little graph at the bottom. It starts telling you what your heartbeat is.
Like right now, my oxygen is 97. My pulse rate is 95 because I'm sick and feel like crap.
I usually have a very low pulse. Um, my my resting heart rate is overnight usually in the low 40s. Uh, as I sit at
my desk, it's in the 60s. It's in the 90s right now because I'm on air and uh sweating to death with a fever. But
you can see the heart rate. You can see the heartbeat.
It It doesn't make sense that they had it in the car. And again, we know they had it in the car.
because we see it in the car. This is a picture from the SUV. It's right there.
Any person in that SUV could have grabbed it and stuck it on one of Charlie's fingers. You could put it on your earlobe. You could put it on a toe.
Anywhere where where capillary blood flows through a uh something that fits inside of this,
you will determine whether or not they have a heartbeat.
And so the fact that they didn't do that, if indeed they didn't do that, is awfully telling that they didn't know
what the hell they were doing. They didn't they didn't do what they should have been doing in that moment.
And so you had this charred material that looks to be about the same size as the negative space on Charlie that's
uninjured. And people say, "Oh, that's probably blood smeared on there." Okay.
Even if it's blood smeared on there, what was taped over it that prevented the blood from running on that particular area? Cuz it's a clear negative space. Period. End of story.
It's a rectangular negative space.
Now, it might have a little bend to it because you you see his ribs and it moves around the the the barrel of his chest.
So, it might not look like it's perfectly rectangular, but I bet if you got up close to it and you analyze it, it would be pretty close. It'd be pretty close.
It would look a lot like this. A negative space about this big right in this area right here where there's no tissue damage. There's no blood
collecting. There's no anything like that.
These are parts of the story they have withheld from us.
Chapter 4: Why the New Pictures Reveal Parts of the Story Withheld from the Public So Far
The only conclusion I can draw from that is that they withheld it intentionally
because it tends to first exculpate Tyler Robinson as having shot Charlie Kirk from the Losi
Center with granddad's 30 off6 in the neck. That's exculpatory evidence in my opinion.
47 minutesboth the broken glass that they didn't tell us about and this negative space, this negative
area on Charlie where he clearly had something taped to his body. You will never convince me otherwise. I will go to my grave believing he had something taped to his chest right there.
And both of those facts were left out.
And so when Candace and I were talking, I said, "Look, you're about to go away for two weeks, why not
do a show, even though you plan not to do a show tomorrow. Go ahead and do a show. Do it early.
And when you do your show, that will start the clock running on TPS USA people needing to come forward.
That gives them two weeks to figure out what they want to do. Go talk to a lawyer, maybe try to cut an immunity deal with
ome US attorney somewhere, some attorney general of some state, maybe Utah. Not a bad state to start with,
but it it it it starts the race to the courthouse because the person who gets to the courthouse first in this situation usually gets the best deal.
Because I'm telling you right now, this evidence is overwhelming that something happened to Charlie Kirk
as he sat in that chair that is not explained by a 306 to the neck.
Something happened to Charlie Kirk in the uh on the ground behind the table that's not explained by a 306.
In s that he was on the ground back there, somebody pulled something off of his chest. I'm confident. I'm confident somebody pulled something off
of his chest right there. I would guess it's Dan Flood.
I don't know that, but that's where Dan was.
And he was right in that particular location, and somebody lifted Charlie's arm up, his right arm where this is right here.
And I'm guessing whatever it was that was taped to his chest right there was pulled off.
And then his shirt was rolled up. You can see when they're carrying it away, his shirt is rolled up. And they grabbing him. One person has a hand a grab of his shirt from each side.
And they're they're more worried about keeping that shirt rolled up and in place as they're carrying him
than they are getting him medical attention for a wound to the neck, potentially broken vertebrae.
They're more worried about holding that shirt in place and carrying him that way, that really negligent way. In this picture, it's really particularly obvious how horrific it was.
They're more worried about keeping that shirt rolled up and held in place than they are the
patients spine, the neck, the head.
You know, we have a new grandchild and when you pass off the grandbaby, the first thing you do is when you when you
get it, I mean, I've got eight kids and a grandchild and I've held a lot of babies. You hold the base of the neck and you put your thumb on one side of
the skull and your fingers on the other side of the skull and that's how you hold a baby. Why? Because they can't hold their head up yet. They don't have the muscular strength to hold up the
head. The head is too large for the body at that age. Why? Cuz we're humans.
We're not cows. Cows cows come out with big bodies and little heads. Humans come out with massive heads and little bodies.
I mean, when you put a baby's arms up, the head basically comes to here. Can you imagine if my head was that big? I wouldn't be able to hold it up either.
Well, when someone has a neck injury, you should carry them the same way with the same care and caution or you should leave them in a place and let somebody
get a cervical collar there, put them on a stretcher and carry them away.
What you should never do when someone has been, you either believe, shot in the neck or somehow injured in the neck like that, what you should never do is
carry them with their shirt rolled up from under their armpits with their head just sort of flopping as they go.
That's not the way to handle that. That's not how you do that.
And so by Candace doing her show today and showing the picture she had of the broken glass and the burnt object
and by me doing this show on the heels of that show at the afterparty. Thank you principal for allowing us to have an early afterparty tonight.
By by us doing these shows back to back like this with all this new evidence.
Well, my evidence, you have to go to Xc to see. And even X put a sensitivity warning on it. I appealed it, but they didn't take it off.
At least they left the post up. You just got to click a couple extra buttons to see the picture. But what it does is it starts the clock ticking.
Chapter 5: The Clock is Ticking for Anyone Involved or Knowledgable of an Alleged Conspiracy
Because when Candace gets back in two weeks, this, I can assure you, is not going to get any better for them.
It's not going to get any better.
It is definitive in my mind Tyler Robinson did not shoot him in the neck.
It's nearly definitive nobody did.
Now, a lot of people have asked from a legal tactics point of view, why is the defense not raising this? Why would they
why would the defense raise this issue now?
If you're aware of this type of evidence, if you're aware there's broken glass all over the SUV, if you're aware there's burn marks on his body and some
sort of negative space, if you're confident Tyler Robinson or Charlie Kirk did not die from a 306 round to the neck, why would you raise that at the preliminary level?
Why would you not let them believe you think it was a gunshot? They probably can't stand we're doing these shows. The
defense Because once the jury is sworn in, there is no more changing the charges.
And let's say Tyler Robinson was involved in some capacity. He was a getaway driver. He he brought a gun to the scene. I don't know. I I mean, I'm
not I'm not saying he did those things, but let's say those let's say those were his jobs. Let's say he was in on some plan to kill Charlie Kirk. I don't know
if he was or not, but he was not the gunman.
There are charges that could be uh um pressed against Tyler Robinson
that would adequately convict him and put him in prison potentially for the rest of his life.
The last thing in the world a defense team would want to do is alert the prosecution that their theory is wrong and that they're going to get smoked at trial.
Instead, you would want to reel in the prosecution.
You would want all the TPUSA hags out there saying that Tyler Robinson did it. You would want people to believe that.
You wouldn't want Candice and Baron and and Danks and uh Trigger and Baze and
Zack Costello and and uh Jesse on Fire and and Valhalla. You wouldn't want all these other podcasters out there, and
I'm sure I left some out, but you wouldn't want all these people out there constantly challenging the fact that Tyler Robinson did it, that did not do
it, that Tyler Robinson didn't do it, that Charlie Kirk didn't die from a gunshot wound to the neck, because they can always go back and file a new indictment.
They've not sworn in a jury yet. Jeopardy hasn't attached.
Stu Peters. Stu Peters has done excellent work on this. Someone mentioned him in the comments. Stu Peters has done phenomenal work on this case.
You would not want the prosecution to amend the indictment or file a new indictment that has
appropriate charges like assisting, aiding in abetting.
I don't know what the charges are in in Utah, but that that's the last thing you would want.
56 minutesAnd I hear a lot of people say, "Well, has the defense contacted you?" Well, no. No, they've not. Why would they? If if they ever contact me, they'll
probably say, "Will you shut the hell up? Will you stop?
Will you please stop convincing the public that Tyler Robinson didn't do this? We know he didn't do it.
We know he didn't do it, but we got to get to a jury with the charges of murder so that we can show the broken glass. So
that we can show the injury here. So that we can show that it didn't that it couldn't possibly be a 300 6. So that we can put our experts up there to say that's not the damage a 300 6 would do.
And so just because it would make good podcast content for the defense to come out and and start challenging this in pleadings and say, "No, we don't think
it was a gunshot." I mean, there was a long time where I even kind of bought into that theory that why didn't the defense just sort of come out and and and say it wasn't a gunshot. Well, it's because the pleadings aren't evidence.
They're not giving up their right later to say it wasn't a gunshot because they refer to the injury as a gunshot and a pleading.
They can go to trial. They can swear in a jury. And then they can start putting on evidence that this was not a gunshot.
Then they can start putting on the evidence that everything TPUSA did indicates they might have been involved.
Then they can put on the evidence that shows, hey, these damages, these these injuries are not consistent with a 356 wound to the neck. What about the burn
marks on the on the on the torso or what about that damage on the torso? What were they doing under the table?
But the thing about a murder charge is there is no statute of limitations. There's no limitation on actions.
And so I think everyone involved in this remains in grave danger, probably graver danger the longer the defense allows this to proceed as if it was a gunshot.
because they can come back in a year or two years, three years, four years and charge someone else. They can investigate this differently.
Now, I will give you an example of how high up this goes.
I'm aware of a very highly ranked and respected elected official,
not appointed official, elected official who did not want some of the information we've presented tonight to come out.
That's all I'll say. Well, I'll say more, but I I I won't say more than that in terms of being able to identify somebody, but that did not want all this
information to come out that we've talked about tonight. Why would a highly ranked elected official care? Wouldn't they just want to get to the truth?
Wouldn't they just want to to to get to the bottom of it?
Let's show one more picture. This is something Candace showed today for the first time. This is a uh a new picture in the investigation.
These are uh delivery bags. There's three right here that I can see. I think there might be a fourth in the car. May maybe there's only three. Maybe all three got put back there.
You see this name right here, Nate, that picked up these?
Nate was present that day. Nate, I believe, is a new employee to T USA.
Nate's a new employee to T USA.
Um, his name is Nate Walker.
I didn't realize I still have my screen share on. This is him here.
The irony that Nate Walker gets hired at TPUSA shortly before
Charlie passes away. I'm not suggesting Nate Walker had anything to do with it.
But, you know, they try to tell us that that it's because of uh Charlie had hate in his heart towards the LGBT community.
His hiring is proof he did not have hate in his heart towards the LB LGBT community.
That's all I'll say about old Nate W. I just noticed that when I saw it in there. But the fact that Nate worked there is pretty good evidence that that's not there wasn't some hate in his
heart that just couldn't be negotiated out.
I thought that was a little funny when it was sitting back there.
Now, I want to run through a couple of other things. Um, now I'm gonna skip the harpole stuff.
I'm going to skip the harpole stuff. I want to go to a woman who gave an
interview shortly after Charlie Kirk passed away. We've talked about this. It's been played time and time again.
This is this woman here. She's the one who says Charlie got shot in the chest. You guys have seen this. I don't have to play it.
Chapter 6: About that Woman who was Interviewed After Charlie Kirk Went Down
This is the woman who says Charlie got shot in the chest. This is the interview where she says he got shot in the chest.
She later comes back and changes her story and says he got shot in the neck.
Well, initially when I saw that, I thought she was some sort of paid operative, right? I'm not so sure.
See this woman in the middle here? She's with her. They're all there together.
Um, you can see her here on the right.
This is the girl on the left who changed her story. I think she thought he got shot in the chest because no shirt moves like that to a gunshot to the neck. So,
obviously, it sounded it looked to her like a gunshot to the chest. But, it's this woman on the right I want to focus on.
Her name. Her name is Angie Martin.
Angie Martin.
I'll show you where Angie gave an interview. This sounds pretty bad. So, I'm just going to let it roll for a second so you can kind of get an idea that she was out there doing interviews as well.
But this is her right here, Angie Martin, retired police officer uh from Greater Salt Lake. She gives
this whole interview, talks for several minutes.
I don't want to play it because it's really irrelevant what she says. It's who she is that matters.
She's a retired police officer after 20 years.
She found the two student witnesses that she was appearing with Here's another fact about Angie Martin.
Angie Martin helped the Phil Lyman campaign. You guys remember Phil Lyman who was there? A lot of weird stuff around Phil Lyman. I'm sorry, Phil. It's true.
This is her in May of 2025 at the Republican convention helping with Phil Lyman's race for Republican chair after
he got cheated on his election for governor against Governor Cox. And there she is in the middle in a lineman for governor t-shirt. But who else does she know?
Who else does she know? Well, here's a weird thing about Angie Martin.
Angie Martin was, and I don't know how this works, she was Mrs. Universe 2025, Central America.
I don't know why she's Central America.
She lives in Utah. I don't know how that works, but she's Mrs. Universe, Central America. So now we have a pageant connection. Isn't that weird? Always
coming up with pageant connections on these things. What other kind of connection do we have? Well,
Angie Martin ran for Senate in Utah. Here she is. I decided
to run for Senate as a Republican in district 11. is the state senate, not the ones that go to United to Washington DC, but the ones
that go to um to Salt Lake City. I stand for medical freedom, conservative values, freedom of speech without censorship, freedom of the press,
freedom of religion, school choice, the right to bear arms, and upholding the constitution.
As a retired police officer, I believe police officers are a liaison between the people and the government or the police as long as they uphold their oath
to the constitution. I do not believe in government overreach. Okay.
And here's an image of her checking in to sign the paperwork to run for Senate. Okay. So, she's politically connected.
She worked for Bill Lyman. She worked for um or she ran for Senate. She was a police officer.
Here she is with someone else. And this is an interesting character to me. This is a very interesting character to me.
Chapter 7: Let's Start the Discussion into Congressman Burgess Owens of Utah
Here she is with a congressman known as Burgess Owens. Look what they're doing down here.
See that? Fighting human trafficking.
Mrs. Central America 2025 loves to fight human trafficking. So I had to think, well, what is it about
Burgess Owens that is fighting human trafficking? Why would taking a picture with Burgess Owens be fighting human
trafficking? Well, Congressman Burgess Owens from the greater Salt Lake area, this is his campaign website.
It has a whole section on trafficking.
Since the day I made the decision to run for office, it has been my goal to combat the terrible crime of human trafficking. Over 25 million people are
victims of human trafficking worldwide and the forced labor industry makes roughly $150 billion annually. Look at
all these bills he has sponsored on human trafficking. The Trafficking Survivors Act, the No Travel for uh
we'll call them transporters. No Travel for Transporters Act, the Earn It Act, enacting limits to justice for these people.
Human Transportation Prevention Act, the Child Rescue Act, the Human Transportation Awareness Training Act, the In Child Exploitation Act. That's
7 minuteslike all he does in Congress is fight this particular issue. Don't believe me? That was his campaign site.
Let's go to his congressional site.
A heinous crime that impacts people of all ages and communities worldwide.
Estimated over 25 million people. So, it's just the same stuff. Congressman Burgess Owens is focused on pursuing awareness, prevention, and survivor
relief policies that abolish these heinous crimes, target traffickers, and restores the lives and livelihoods of
those impacted. And here are articles about the great work Burgess Owens has done on this issue.
And it goes on and on and on and on and on.
Seems pretty obsessed with the issue.
Well, that's interesting because he actually founded a charity, believe it or not. A 501c3 charity. What do you think it does? That's right, class.
That's right.
He has a charity called a second look at Burgess Owens Second Chance for Youth nonprofit.
I want to show you this because I want to show you when he founded Second Chance for Youth Nonprofit.
He founded it in June of 2019.
We've talked about how the Jeffrey Einstein of the Einstein files and the Einstein Island and the Einstein plane.
We've talked about when he died, when he passed away allegedly. I don't think he did, but when he
allegedly passed away. Anybody want to remember when that was?
It was August of 2019 and he establishes this in June of 2019.
The interesting thing about Burgess Owens though is he has no reason to be in Congress.
Campaign built largely on the foundation of his personal narrative. the descendant of a slave. He found fame and fortune as a professional football player only to later fall victim to his
own sense of invincibility. He struggled through bankruptcy and despair before his redemption through hard work and self-reliance. He was once a liberal
Democrat. Now he's a proud conservative and since retiring from the NFL has
devoted his time to mentoring and improving the lives of the next generation of leaders. He hangs around troubled kids.
He founded Second Chance for Utah, a Utah based nonprofit organization helping troubled incarcerated youth.
In other words, yet again, sort of involved in this story, we have
a guy who is obsessed with this industry.
Who's obsessed with this industry. Now he goes from bankrupt down and out
to founding a charity in June of 2019 dealing with this issue.
And then within a few months, just a few months after founding the charity, decides, you know what I should do, formerly bankrupt and troubled
person though I am, I should run for Congress. And he wins.
He wins. Now, I will say as a black man in Utah, I bet he had the deck stacked against him when he started, but he won.
I go back time and time again. You remember uh Erica France, her mom, Lori France, but under the name Lori Abos,
started a charity with one of these human transportation fighters. She started hers in early 2020. This guy started his in mid 2019.
It seems like about the time Jeffrey uh we'll call him Einstein
gets arrested, incarcerated, and uh allegedly dies.
You have a surplus of these charities popping up all over the place. There was one that popped up in Alabama. A guy named Jared Hudson was
running for the United States Senate here recently. about the same time, 2019, 2020, he decides he wants to get into the human transportation business.
He's going to go fight in human transportation.
And it's about the same time that TPUSA was infiltrated at the highest levels.
It's about the same time Erica Kirk, Erica Fronface shows up and they get married
and they spend a few days together each year because he travels 300 days a year and then he dies and now she runs everything.
There was a question when somebody did a grammar request.
That's how Utah refers to um open records act requests in the federal government. We call them foyer requests.
Most states have a way to get records.
These were some text messages sent together. So and so's asked me to put together a small reopening ceremony for the courtyard. It's tenatively slated for Wednesday at noon.
Um Oh, sorry. This is not the one we were looking for, Daisy.
Um Oh, you said page 25. I don't see a page 25. I just have one page there. Oh, oh, oh, I do have a page 25. Excuse me.
Excuse me. I apologize. Here we go.
There was some big wigs that wanted to show up to the event when they announced it.
This is news to me. Does anyone know the name of the senators? Well, it's important to know that when you're talking to lay people, they don't know the difference between a senator and a congressman. Usually, most people cannot
name their two senators and their congressmen. They certainly can't name their two United States senators, their congressman, and their state senator and their state representative. Almost
nobody can do that. It's like 1% of any population can do all that.
So and so said they mentioned Curtis, but not another name, but said there would be two senators. We only have two, Curtis and Lee.
I was just assuming state senators, not US congressman senators. So that shows you right there they have no idea what they're talking about. There's no such thing as a congressman senator.
We don't know who those people were, but it makes you wonder. Makes you wonder who it was. Was it Burgess Owens? I don't know.
Um, but I am totally weirded out by the fact that everybody around TPUSA, everybody around this event in
Utah, they all seem to have some like first degree of separation to the human trafficking industry. I will go on the record. I know not a single person in
this industry and I know a lot of people. I know people in politics. I know people in business. I know people in the community. I know people in nonprofit work, charity work. I know nobody who works in this industry.
Nobody.
But if you're at TPUSA and you're having a TPUSA event, everybody is in this industry.
Goat water. Whoever gave me the 50 bucks and told me to go buy goat water, I bought it. This is not a paid advertisement. It's just a delicious, delicious water.
Now, I want to introduce you to another guy who gave an interview talking about chess shots. I think we've played this.
Chapter 8: Deron Brunson is Convinced the Bang Came from Near the Tent
I know other podcasts have played this as well, but I want to play this real quickly because there's another podcast Daisy found where he says one of the most interesting things I've heard in
this case so far, but I want to give you a refresher of who this guy is. His name's uh uh Darren Brunson. Darren Brunson.
Probably maybe four or five tiers up.
I was probably to his right about maybe 2:30 12:00 2:30 maybe maybe about yeah about
245 okay probably about if you look at the stage and you look at about maybe 3:00 from
his position about 3:00 that's where I was I was right at him and I was looking at him when I looked like it was a
direct shot to the heart it looked like right where his heart is. It started going red. He flew back and went to his side. Then I looked down at the crowd
and it looked like the crowd all went to their knees really fast.
So this is another person just like the girl we showed earlier who believes he was shot in the heart. At least when he's telling the story, he believed he was shot in the heart. Again, I don't
necessar like my initial reaction was these guys are lying and they were plants and they were in on it and they were supposed to plant the heart narrative or I don't necessarily think that anymore.
I think they saw the shirt move the way it moved and thought something must have hit him in the chest. No shirt moves that way. But I want to go to a later
interview here. I want to go to a later interview because this later interview is so bizarre
about what he said. And I want you to consider what I hypothesized today about what happened to Charlie Kirk and why it
is that one of these might have been shattered in the process. So, let me share the screen and I'm going to let
17 minutesyou listen directly to this guy as he explains.
You were thinking the sound came down like point to where you think.
Yeah, I'm thinking that the sound came from right over here. Well, see here.
Yeah, it came from below me. I'm kind of up here. The sound came from. So it came a little bit to your right.
Yeah. Like maybe down in this section here. That's where you heard the sound come from.
Yeah. That's where you were looking to see if the shooter was gonna be attacked.
Oh yeah. I was looking to see if the shooter was You were looking over in this area here because you figured there was a guy here that did the shooting. Yeah, that's what I figured.
That's interesting. Is he going to double down on that? Is he going to stick with that story or is he going to back off of that because that's not what we were told happened. But this is an
eyewitness who said that's where he heard the sound come from down by the tent.
So, I know that the sound of the gun came from below me.
Okay. So, you're up here and I'm up there and I'm looking down and it came from below me and I'm thinking, hm, it didn't come from above.
It didn't come from my level. It came from below me.
Point this out. It didn't come from So, it it didn't come from anywhere up here because that sound would have come down. The sound came up came up to my
ears. So, I was looking, you know, when I watch a couple videos and pictures.
So, you don't think you were hearing reflection. You think you were hearing direct sound.
Yeah. Direct sound. Yeah. because there's nothing down here to reflect the It just went out like that. I I you could feel that it came up.
You You could feel that it came up. Well, is he going to abandon this later in the interview or is he going to triple down?
From his vantage point, he could actually see the building.
No, from his vantage point, he couldn't see the building. And so when you watch different angles of it, it he looks like that he got shot almost eye level.
something that was almost eye level, not higher because it's not going to be too high. So, I got to thinking,
what kind of sophisticated uh technology we got? Is it possible that they could develop a a something that can fire a
bullet that is can be controlled, remote control, and that they could actually maybe put it in the back of a speaker.
So, hm, because I'm thinking the speakers that were there where Charlie is, they're in a direct line of fire.
And it's below me when you when I heard the the the gunfire, it sounded like that's the area that it came from. And
I'm thinking, hm, is it possible that whoever did this made invented something they could put in the back of the
speaker that you can control the shot of the bullet remote control and then designed the speaker so that the hole
looks like that that's where a speaker jack or something goes in there and put a mechanism in the back of the speaker
that could fire a bullet. So, they put a mechanism in the back of the speaker that can fire a bullet that can be controlled remotely.
I don't necessarily agree with that, but he's pretty confident the sound came from below him.
So am I.
So am I. Um, you guys, I saw in the comments a lot of people said, "Get John Bray on. Get John Bray on." John Bray's done a lot of s sound analysis on this.
And one of the interesting things he noticed when he's doing his sound analysis is that the sound is stronger
on the right hand side of Charlie than it is on the left hand side of Charlie.
The sound is stronger on this side than it is on that side. almost as if if he had something here and he's sitting like
this, you know, his body would then muffle it.
The the the torso would muffle the sound on this side, but it would go out that way
and it would also cause the shirt to do all kinds of crazy stuff so that a lot of people who were initially interviewed would say, "hm, I think you got a shot in the chest.
I mean, that makes more sense to me than him getting
shot with a 306 to the neck. That makes way more sense
to me than him got getting shot with a 300 six coming from the Losi center
because the sound obviously would not uh come from that area. Now,
[snorts]
I think I'm going to leave it there today. I think I'm going to leave it there today. Um, I don't
I don't want my speculation on Burgess Owens and my speculation on on the chess
shot and all that. I don't want all that getting lost. That was just me. I need to do that story at some point and we had some time so I did it. Um, there's
something there's something with that congressman. I don't know what it is but there's something with it.
He doesn't he doesn't like these podcasts, I can assure you. And I don't know why he cares. He is, I heard, not running for re-election. He's going to
retire. He was only in office like six years.
I think you I think after six years or five years or something, you can draw a retirement. So, he was there long enough to pick up the congressional retirement, which is really sexy, by the way. It's a
nice retirement. So, he was there long enough to pick up the retirement. Now, he's going to go off and do something else. It'll be really interesting to see where he goes next, what he ends up doing.
And what do we learn?
Chapter 9: What Did We Learn? There is a Race to the Courthouse for Alleged Conspirators
I think the biggest takeaway tonight is if I'm Mikey McCoy,
I'm Brian Harpole, Rick Cutler, Dan Flood.
I think I run. I don't walk to an attorney's office this week and I think I sit down under attorney
client privilege and I think I explain everything and I say, "What do we do?"
Cuz I I think they know stuff. I I I I think it's it's too obvious. This doesn't make sense. the story that we've been told.
Think you have to sit down with somebody and get independent advice.
Now, where do you go?
I mean, it it looks like this may be a pretty widespread conspiracy that goes all the way to the top of government.
24 minutesSo, where do you go to be safe? Well, I don't know the answer to that.
And maybe you're so convinced that you guys are going to get away with something, whatever it is that happened.
I'm assuming something happened. you know, not not calling you guys murderers,
but in the event that is broken glass in the SUV and in the event there's something that was taped to his side
and that there's tissue damage all around whatever it was that was affixed to his the right side of his torso.
And it led to the um that area of his torso not being
not being damaged while everything around it was.
In the event we're right about that, you guys need to go to somebody. Um somebody one of you has a conscience.
25 minutesWe're talking about the death of a human being. the death of a human being.
One of you needs to make your way to a lawyer's office and get help if I'm right.
And that help needs to be um coming clean with the whole story.
Will your life be in danger? Maybe. Maybe.
I mean, certainly could be.
But you know, your soul is in danger right now.
And what does it profit a man to have the whole world and lose his soul?
26 minutesThere's wisdom in those words. There's a lot of wisdom in those words.
You guys need to figure this out.
One of you needs to come forward because I can assure you it's not going to get any easier on you from here.
Because while the defense may not benefit, the defense of Tyler Robinson may not benefit from us doing this podcasting, it's not going to stop.
And there is additional information. It's going to keep coming out.
You guys had no idea we would get a hold of all these photos from inside the car.
You guys had no idea there were additional photos of Charlie floating around that have not yet been seen and that there may even be more.
You've got low-level police officers that are asking questions. You've got members of the prosecution team that are asking questions.
This is You guys screwed up. It did not work. It didn't work.
If I'm right and there was a conspiracy to kill Charlie Kirk and and I think I am. I don't I don't know for 100% sure. So again, I'm not
calling you guys murderers, but if I'm right, and you are, then it didn't go as planned.
Whatever was supposed to happen didn't happen the way it was supposed to.
And it's led to now a nine and a half almost 10-month investigation over the airwaves, over the internet, YouTube X, Rumble, Spotify, and more.
And it's only a matter of time before it makes its way into people who can jam you up pretty bad legally.
And I'm telling you, UV, well, I'm going say what police department. There are people in different police departments that do not believe the story. There are
people in the prosecution office that don't believe the story. There are people in the hospital that don't believe the story. And if you think we're sitting around not investigating anything, you're out of your mind.
It's not going to get any better. This is your This is the shot across the bow.
This is the warning shot. This is the Hey, you've got a couple weeks before Candace comes back. Now's a good time to figure out your life.
Now's a really, really good time to figure out how you want to move forward with this.
I'm told from some insiders at TPUSA that there are a couple of employees in particular who are really, really struggling right now with this.
And one of those employees who's really struggling with this, listen to your conscience.
Don't don't off yourself. That's not going to solve anything.
And there's concern about that with some of these people. Don't don't go that route.
It would be a tragedy, an absolute tragedy if some sort of injury befells somebody or some sort of uh attack on
somebody or somebody doing something like that. Something permanent and fatal happened as a result of this investigation. And
it just compounds tragedy on tra on top of tragedy. Someone's already dead. You can't bring him back, but you can start the process of justice.
And so I'm pleading with you, genuinely pleading, don't be the last one to the courthouse.
Don't be the last one to seek advice from a lawyer because the last one doesn't get a very good deal.
the first one that gets a good deal.
It's the first one that gets a good deal. Be the first one. Be the first one.
Again, just to clarify, I cannot say beyond a reasonable doubt or with certainty that there was any conspiracy that involved any of these people to
kill Charlie Kirk. I'm just saying the evidence as I see it, in my opinion, starts to look like that.
And if I'm right, if I'm right about how I read that evidence, one of you needs to be the first one.
Don't let Candace come back before something happens because it's not going to end well. It's not going to end well at all.
Um, I do want to read through a few of the chats because there were some people who did some of the chats before I had an opportunity to tell people I wasn't
going to do any super chats. Um, actually asked Daisy, "How do we turn these things off for a show?" [laughter] She didn't know either. I tried to
figure it out for the member show the other day. I couldn't figure it out. Uh, because I had to I had to go early that night. And tonight, I am sick. Like, I
am sick sick. Um, I am going to jump off of here and go eat a bowl of chicken soup and go to bed. Uh, that's my that's
my plan for this evening. Uh, I'm supposed to be at a a function with the kids all day tomorrow. I don't know that I'm going to be able to make it. If I don't feel any better than I do now,
there's no way I'll make it because it's an outdoor event and I'll die.

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These Never Before Seen Photos Change Everything.
Candace Clips
and Candace Owens
Jun 26, 2026

They called it a conspiracy. Candace just released the photos. Shattered black tempered glass — all over the car, between the captain chairs, exactly where Charlie Kirk's chest would have been. Nobody in the official account mentioned it. Nobody has explained how it got there. Candace walks through the new images and issues a direct challenge to Turning Point USA: what's your explanation?



Transcript

your move, Turning Point USA, your move, what's your explanation?
Recently, as you guys have seen, um we have been at long last after debunking many elements of this case with various
things that we have presented to the public exclusively um convinced that Tyler Robinson did not murder Charlie
Kirk. Was he an accessory to murder? Did he help out that day? Did he bury clothes at Dairy Queen? certainly believe he did pick up clothes and bury
them at Dairy Queen. I do not believe that he was on campus on top of Loi Center firing a shot at Charlie Kirk's
neck. I can say that unequivocally. And you saw that we began to reintroduce a
theory that John Bray had been working on for a very long time regarding an explosive. He was convinced from the very beginning, John Bray, that
Charlie's microphone was rigged beneath him and that it subsequently shattered.
1 minuteWe obviously had those car pics, had been working on that in the background, but what we did not do um was release all of the car photos.
The purpose of that obviously is to see how audacious people will be. Will they
lie? Well, they lie and pretend that that is just I don't know blood drops.
No, that's just that's crazy. That's not No, that's not Charlie's microphone.
That's not the road microphone. That's something else. It's a pair of sunglasses and lie they did lie they did through their teeth. So, we are going to
show you additional photos. Um, so I want to say right at the top here, obviously, viewer discretion is very much advised. Um, we are not going to
obviously we've already seen the other photos. It's going to be very much like that. It's not like you're going to see um Charlie's body here, but uh it will
also show you some other details of the car that we can um speak to you about and tell you what's missing and why it does not register. Well, none of this
registers obviously as right in our minds. What happened in this car does not match the stories that we have been
told thus far. They're missing a big part. You don't just forget shattered glass, tempered glass from a microphone.
How did that happen? Are we going to get a story about um a steel chest to go along with the steel neck? Are we to
believe that someone did it with their bare hands? Why don't you try doing that? Why don't you try taking a road mic and breaking it in your bare hands?
That's not possible. Nobody's story told anything about even lifting Charlie's shirt, how that microphone could have
broken. And we are now going to put the full pressure on them to do just that.
So, we're going to take you through a total of four additional photos and then we will uh give you the close-up. Uh we
can now say confidently that there is black tempered shatter glass all over the car where Charlie's chest region
would have been according to the story that Frank Turk and um Brian Harpole told. So, here we go. Let's go through
these slowly and we will start asking questions. So you again see in this photo the Uber bag with the blood on it
in the back seat which I believe were was most likely used to wipe hands afterwards. Maybe perhaps getting out of
the car. I think it's likely given where Frank Turk was sitting that that is him.
But I do want to also point out this hanger to you. Another piece of information that we have had is that
Charlie had his sports coat, his jacket if you will, you'll remember that he gave an interview which was quite
mysterious in my opinion. Um, he went to Salt Lake City and he give gave an interview to restauranttology
I think was the name of the company uh before he drove to Provo for this event.
And so um he had a jacket that he did not wear. Obviously, he was in a t-shirt that stayed in the car. I can tell you that that jacket was returned to his
security and made it back to Erica's apartment with blood still on it. It was not collected into evidence. That is an
important piece uh for me to share with you because the question that it leaves is why
why was that personal effect bloodied returned pretty immediately back to
Erica's apartment in Arizona by the security.
And again, the reason why I will say that that is an um an important detail is because the story that Frank Turk tells us is he changed in part because
he didn't want Erica to see him bloodied. So, are we to believe that they did want to hand him a bloody jacket? Hand her a bloody jacket of
Charlie's. Like Frank's bloodied clothes would be more disturbing to her. We don't even know why they're bloody than Charlie's bloody clothes.
That's where I'm guessing that that hanger is from. Okay, let's go to the second photo. And like I said, we will get closer on this. Um, we're going to
talk about that piece of what looks to me to be cardboard. It could be something else. People in the medical field might recognize it. This might
have something to do uh with Brian's story about, you know, taking out I don't think he said gauze, but packing
the wound. H we, like I said, we'll get a lot closer. That bag behind looks to me like some sort of a medical bag.
Maybe it's like binoculars, security bag, something on the go. In the comments, you guys can write to us. And
uh this is, like I said, it's going to be an open episode. We want you to share with us anything that you recognize that you are seeing in that photos, but we
could not identify what that brand was in the background. We've looked up different binocular brands and you know it not saying it's anything nefarious.
6 minutesWe would like to identify what that item is. Like I said, we'll get closer. Next photo that we can show you is I don't know if you can see that clearly on your
screen, but in the middle there is just full shattered tempered glass.
There's no mistaking it. There is no question mark. That is what is in the middle of that car. We will get close on that as well so you can see it. Uh John
Bray was telling the truth and many many many people those who Charlie put on
stage and whose careers Charlie built were lying to you. They were lying to you. They were calling this a
conspiracy. It is not a conspiracy. is not a conspiracy at all that there is tempered shattered glass with white bits
all over the center of this car and into the back seat. So, the stories that
Frank and Brian Harpole have told to the public for some reason don't include this. We were told only his neck was being addressed.
They got right to work. He got right to work. Frank was praying in the back seat. They had about on the clock weaving through traffic at 40, 60,
100 miles per an hour for a ride that Google Map says is away. And again, if you're able to hit those
speeds, it means that you were not stuck in traffic. Why is this detail missing?
Let's go to the next photo.
That is just um I'm once we get closer, you'll see. I'm just wondering what's under that mat. It looks to me like something that's foil uh potentially.
And when we get super close on it, you'll be able to see the color of it.
And I'm again, my guess there is that that's going to be something that was in the medical bag, but someone in the comments will recognize it. Let's get
into these closer images. Okay, so this particular piece, um at first glance, I
thought it could be the Uber bag. Um, but then I sort of also thought that it looks to me like it was a lot thicker.
And I'm I'm referring to what looks like a piece of cardboard there. It's also separate from the bag, entirely separate from the the rest of the bag. And when
we look at the bag, it doesn't look like it was ripped into small bits. The whole bags seem to be together. Um, and this
it just stood out to me because it almost looked like it reminded me just visually what I feel like I'm looking at is like when you burn the edges of a cardboard. I was giving I was sort of
referencing that when I was a kid and we didn't have lighters. I used to just like grab a box and and go to the gas stove and light that on fire and then
light the candle and blow it out. And I that just is what it sort of looks like to me. Um, our team also posited that
maybe it's just looks that way because it could just be heavy blood or by the
way it could be um something that people in the medical community will recognize.
You know, that's a standard, you know, paper brown color, so to speak, cardboard color, so to speak. So,
it it obviously has blood on it. It was just it looks thicker to me. The way that it's sitting just looks thicker to me. But of course, I could be wrong.
We're just allowing you guys to um weigh in on that. Like what that could be, why that would be separated from the bag, which while it is damaged, the two bags,
the Uber bags are are together um and on the other side and not that drenched.
They look more like again like somebody sort of wiped their hands very quickly because they didn't have paper towels.
um not really having that drenching and none of the ends of the paper bag look like that. So, that's a point of curiosity for us. Um if we can get to
that bag. Do we have the close-up of the bag? Yeah, that's as I think about as close as we can get to that black bag in
the back there. And like I said, yeah, someone in the comments said shirt maybe. That's funny you say that because somebody literally just said that to us
in our marketing department. Said that looks like a shirt. That's the first thing he said. But I'm wondering what a shirt that's I mean it's interesting but is that does it look necessarily like a
white shirt? Again all open open source investigation. Want to share this with you so everybody is able to have this at home. And if anybody recognizes that in
the back and Ash I'm sure you're monitoring the comments if we see anything. Somebody saying why is it burnt? I don't know if it is burnt. My eyes just looking at it would describe
that as a burnt cardboard piece. um thicker in in measure, so to speak, but it could also be something that is
totally benign and looks that way for some specific reason. That makes sense.
Um it's burnt car. Oh, someone is saying that the the back that could be a taser.
I thought that too. I tried to look up taser brands because that would be something that I thought for a second because I did remember that Rick Cutler
had something on his back when he was running in there and I thought would make sense that he would just throw it off so that he could sit more properly but I that it didn't match what Rick
Cutler had on him. So interesting people in the comments Skylar is saying is that it could be a a pulse for what' you say for O2.
Okay, I like that. that I we did think it could be more medical standard that that somebody has on them. I'd like to identify the brand. We've got every country in the world watching this.
Somebody is going to recognize the specific brand so we can go check off and just sort to s begin to sort through everything that we're seeing. I I that
was our mindset. We were going taser, binoculars, something security that someone had on them. Um so I like all of these things. Thank you guys so much.
And um okay, let's get to Did they burn the shirt?
Interesting. I'm just reading your comments out loud.
I don't know if a burnt shirt would look like that because doesn't that seem quite stiff, that piece? I don't know.
12 minutesThe answer is I don't know what we're looking at. That's why I'm I'm opening this up to you guys because we're only here because of you guys. Aha. Did someone figure it out?
Someone in the comments? Oh, Ashley figured that out. santamed.com. Okay. Can you go back to the photo?
There we go. Figure it out. Oh, we go back again. Great. That's amazing. So, Ash, for like you you couldn't figure it out and now all of a sudden we're live.
You just trying to be a star right now.
You're trying to be a star. You try to be a star. She's trying to have a breakout moment right now. She probably probably knew that for weeks. Ash, good old Ash. Very good. Yes, that is
santaamemed.com. And that is likely what that is. So I would assume then that that correlates with what Brian Harpole
said. He did say I believe in the Paramount Tactical interview or maybe actually it was in the Shawn Ryan interview that he had that stuff but it
wasn't relevant to what he was doing. So he may have had that because he was traveling with Charlie somewhere in the back seat. That that clocks with me.
Okay. Um let's move on to the foil piece that I feel like is going like Okay. So that's under the mat there.
That's about as close as we can get to it. Um, obviously you get any closer, you start to lose the image. Just I feel like that's going to have something to
do with the gauze or like the heistic packing.
I don't but I feel like some medical person like, "Oh yeah, that's what it looks like on the inside. There's like a foil. I don't know something." I I actually was going to go buy out and buy some of the stuff that he said that he had. Maybe it's wrapped in something.
Um, maybe it's a a sheet that you put people on. And in case it's sort of losing this image as we're live right
now, I want you guys to know that it's almost coppery is what it looks like. It there definitely has, I would say, like a coppery
foil look to it. As all of us are looking at that, this is not obviously a clean enough image for us to, you know, know up from down, but I that's the best
that we have that we had a question for you guys. And um that looks into look into how this can very well be a
component of the charge. We did have some people say Matt to us that we had had asked for their opinion. I'm assuming you're referring to that little cardboard piece that it could be a part
of the shape charge. But as you guys know, I don't know anything about that stuff. So I would have to do some serious research to understand that. But
I yeah, I'm just I I I have a lot of questions about that. Um, okay. Let's go
to the next closeup of so we can now say officially beyond a shadow of a doubt that we are looking at glass. Okay, it's
glass. It just is black glass tempered glass on all over the car. Uh, especially this is now as you saw in
between the two captain chairs right about where if they were taking it off of Charlie's shirt or body, we would
expect to see that. Uh, I had whipped up a scenario where rather than providing CPR, they may have uh what Frank may
have been doing, which got blood in his hands, was trying to get Charlie's shirt off of him because I do not believe for a single second, that that scene took
place at the hospital. And this this is just undeniable now. This is undeniable.
So find your commentators who called it a conspiracy and laughed now and said this could never well this never these
are the worst people many of them across the events the many events Charlie had put on stage and
given a spotlight by Charlie Kirk and they are now full-time trying to convince you that you shouldn't believe
your own eyes and you should trust the feds.
I know vengeance does not belong to me, but I have to tell you it is really hard for me to curb the frustration, the
anger, the disappointment, and equal parts rage that I feel toward those people.
Here it is. Any questions about whether that's tempered glass? Now, you can say you can't necessarily We all agree it's
glass, but you It's definitely definitively not the car glass. Um, but you could say, "Okay, let's arrive at this point. We'll say, I agree.
Charlie's road microphone is shouted on the car, but does it mean that it was rigged?" That's my devil's advocate. Doesn't mean that it was rigged.
Okay.
So, tell us how it was broken in the car.
You go be the conspiracy theorist cuz that's what you're going to have to do.
Your your stories are going to have to get dumber and dumber. And while you're at it, could you also tell us why it is
that despite telling what happened in that car many times? Oh, didn't realize my kids were all in the back seat. They
heard everything. Frank's praying. We're speeding. We're weaving through traffic.
I'm just packing that wound. Packing that wound. Nobody mentioned this.
Nobody mentioned this at all.
By the way, one of the immediate questions I had was, "Well, why didn't we see as they were carrying it to the car, why as they were carrying Charlie
to the car, why didn't we see some of that fall down?" I had no idea that this is sticky glass that there's an adhesive
that is attached to it. Like, think about when you put a screen on your phone, it has a it literally, if you
look it up, tempered glass phone, it has it's an adhesive, so it actually sticks everywhere. It sticks all once it's it's on a fabric. It sticks.
I was I was interested going okay well like and there is some that actually fell in front of Charlie and John Bray's getting me those photos uh when it there
was an immediate impact like that pieces that flew. And you know what it does?
actually answers a question that I've had for a very long time. And we are declining to show the photo because it's so graphic of why they held Charlie, and
18 minutesforgive my language, why they held Charlie like they were a bunch of [ __ ] as they carry him to the car.
Nobody was focused on securing his neck.
His neck was literally flopping. Okay, we have those images. The audacity of Brian Harpole to sue me over his
incompetence. You can't call me incompetent. Watch the way Charlie is carried to the car. Case closed. Okay.
His neck is literally flopping and it seems like they're more concerned with holding him here.
Again, we didn't have time to edit the photos in a place that I felt would have been comfortable, but Charlie said is literally flopping and it's like they're more concerned with his chest.
They don't care about his legs. They they don't get it's like they're concerned with his shirt almost like his shirt is actually almost it's coming up.
You can see his torso.
You know what I think I think is it's plausible. It might not be right, but it's plausible is if you had a bunch of tempered glass
that was sticking to him as a fabric, you would bunch up that shirt like it was a purse to make sure it wasn't seen by the
public. Your focus would be actually Charlie's shirt. And if you go back, there is no way that that many men could
not hold Charlie flat and secure his neck properly as they got him into the car. That does not make sense, you know.
That does not make sense. Big bad security, million dollars of years being spent on on the security apparatus
and you guys can't hold them flat. And this why is his shirt up at all?
because I think you're scooping something in there. Something's there that's sticking.
That's an opinion, not a fact. But I'm going to think while it's still legal to do so, and it's barely legal to do so.
So, we can um totally dismiss what everybody has told you about this theory not having legs because now they need to tell us how it happened.
Are they going to say more miracles, more um Judeo-Christian slop miracles that
took place that day? Are we maybe Andrew will issue a tweet? Maybe Erica will say that he went rogue. I I think Andrew
Kovette might go rogue again today and he's going to say, "We called and we asked and it was a it was a miracle."
Not only, you see, not only did Charlie's neck stop 3,000 lbs of energy coming at him, ricochet
off of the back of his spine, but it also moved forward and
shattered his mic, which was placed here. I don't know if he's got a steel neck.
I'd assume he has a steel rib cage or something. and he probably saved a lot of people.
If that mic hadn't shattered, um Charlie Kirk would have save Charlie Kirk would not have saved more people that day because the the bullet was doing magical
things. I think that's what we can expect because I've run this with Baron.
I've run it with Tim. Like give me the other side. We all have to acknowledge that this is the road, Mike.
How did it break?
Maybe maybe it was Frank through the power of prayer. They're going to give us this slop because that's what it is.
They're serving up Christian slop. They think we are stupid and we are easily manipulated and that all we have to hear
is Lord them on stage talking about the Lord. Dana sounding like she's channeling demons on stage talking about
the widow and we're all just going to get in line because we're so dumb.
So maybe that is going to be their next move. They're going to say Frank Turk through the power of prayer, this secondary miracle happened in the car
and the mic just shattered. Or maybe it was when he was doing CPR. He just had an incredible hand and that was when he attempted it. He forgot to mention that he accidentally and then it shattered.
Even though that'd be impossible to do and impossible for him to illustrate, you have to understand these were extraordinary times.
Your move, Turning Point USA, your move. What's your explanation?
Your your move like nef your move Charlie's real friends to make
sense of how his microphone ended up in a bunch of bits in his are.

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Charlie Kirk SUV Situation JUST GOT WEIRDER! Graham Allen COOKED
Zach Costello
Jul 2, 2026

We found some very strange developments around the SUV that took Charlie Kirk to the hospital that we will be discussing. Also, Graham Allen got cooked, we’ll talk about that too…

https://x.com/vzee1234/status/2072610720986935389

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@vzee1234

I saw on FB someone posted a picture of the SUV having the middle seats removed in late September.. then another person replied with a photo of the vin number and lien holder information. I ran the vin ... this is WILD ... it was declared SALVAGED? My family owns one of-if-not-the largest auto group by volume in the United States. I also personally worked in auto industry for years before changing careers. Having a vehicle declared salvaged is NOT normal outside of a handful of events. There is specifi criteria that must be met to do so and once it is done it's almost impossible to obtain a convention auto loan bc you have established the lack of equity value of the vehicle. As someone else posted it appears there is an auto loan currently but more importantly what criteria did they have to meet to declare it salvaged? Residual explosive or bomb residue that cannot be removed is one of the few reasons a vehicle can be declared a total loss outside of major accident damage, theft or flooding.
Also it shows it's only been TITLED ONCE but was sold twice and driven for 3k miles without being legally titled?
Thats what happens when you run a ghost vehicle owned by the government. It wasn't a previous fleet or lease vehicle either. It has two damage reports yet no accident history and sat dormant until what looks like frantically being listed for sale across multiple sites. What happened in late November to provoke the need to sell? Oh yes @RealCandaceO dropped episodes about Delaware and the federal vehicles. Imagine if someone then ran the vin or plate right after that episode aired and it came back as never having been registered to anyone

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UPDATE- I just pulled more detailed report. It appears from reporting it was sent to a junk yard on 9/19 (the date is on console photo) middle seats already stripped. The junk yard then sold it to an auction company on 9/24 which had to legally report the vehicle had been salvaged and listed it online for auction. The vehicle was originally listed for sale in Colorado but not titled there… interestingly enough in same area an aspiring politician,who “allegedly” had falling out with Charlie, lives in. After the auction company obtained it … it sat for months my guess is they had to make is safe to sell. It was then rapidly listed on various online auctions until being sold in December of 2025. That person is actively driving it because it has had 6k miles put on it in the interim time since purchasing.

NINE DAYS AFTER CHARLIE DIED IT WAS BEING SENT TO A JUNKYARD. Let that set in

Below photos were taken when it was sent to junkyard on 09/19/25



5:00 AM · Jul 2, 2026

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https://x.com/jonaaronbray/status/2072325886183972974


Jon Bray
@jonaaronbray
With the higher quality photos of the SUV floorboard we can say without a doubt that the fragments found scattered in between the captain seats of the Denali are chemically strengthen glass shards with black back-face dye.

This is the exact type of glass on the face of the RØDE Wireless PRO that Charlie wore underneath his shirt on September 10th at UVU.
8:26 AM · Jul 1, 2026

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Charlie Kirk's Widow Is Selling the UNTHINKABLE
The Loren Piretra Show
Jun 28, 2026

They didn't bury Charlie Kirk.They didn't bury Charlie Kirk... they MERCHANDISED him. Barely 31, the Turning Point USA founder was gunned down in front of a stunned crowd in Utah this September… and before the candles even cooled, his own movement had a $35 tribute tee on the rack. "Here I am, Lord. Send me." Cha-ching. Halos slapped over his head, scripture slapped underneath, and over HALF A MILLION pieces of merch flying off the shelves. His books rocketing up Amazon. His podcast vaulting to No. 1. Trump handing out "martyr" speeches and a Medal of Freedom like party favors. And just when you thought a grieving country had hit the bottom of the barrel, they built a full-blown REPLICA of the tent where he was killed and invited fans to pose for selfies inside it. A photo booth. At the kill site. Grief? Please. This is a merch table with a halo bolted on. All hail the holy hustle, in the name of JC.

But hold onto your wallets, folks, because the widow-turned-CEO isn't done, and what Erika Kirk is rolling out NEXT might just be the most shameless, stomach-turning cash grab yet.



Transcript

What is Erica Kirk selling? What Turning Point USA just put on sale should disturb you. Erica's new
business is disturbing. She found a new way to profit off of her dead husband, off of Charlie.
And this one is super grim. And this business is so disturbing, you're not going to believe me. I'm just going to need to show you because I need you to see what Turning Point USA is doing with their
dead founder today. This guy got shot in the neck in front of a crowd in September 2025. The normal
response to that would be grief. Their response was to do anything and everything to make some
money off of it. It's Trump [ __ ] It's like slap a logo on everything you can find. Brand
everything. Stakes, cell phones that don't exist, toilet paper, anything you can find. They've also been on a non-stop media frenzy stopping at nothing. We were talking about pyrochnics books
grift for days. And it's truly hard to shock us at this point, but somehow they have managed because
this is the single most disturbing thing I've seen yet. And I was in Arizona to see the popup photo
booth where you could pose with your dead husband. I was there in real life. I saw that. So now I'm going to show you and I'm going to show you exactly how they chose to roll this out because
those details matter, too. It's all in the name of Jesus Christ. Am I right? So, if you're new here real quick, I'm Lauren Peritra. Will Peritra is taking a snooze. Um, she's in a pike position.
It is so cute. And some quick housekeeping here. So, Steven Miller, Steven Little Miller,
at the time of this recording is on the loose. He has made his way out of the deflection pool. He
is damp. He's behind something and he's watching. So, as he's escaped once from this containment,
we know that he is somewhere scurrying. He's low to the ground. He always finds the vents. So,
every time you don't subscribe, every time you don't go find us on Spotify, Apple, iHeart, wherever you get your podcast, every time you don't hype this video, he gets one inch closer
to the surface. And we all know what happens when he reaches sunlight. And if you don't, not good.
Subscribe. Stay safe. Let's start things off at the top. Imagine posting this and being serious.
Montana, we're here. The Make Heaven Crowdour is underway at the Emanuel Baptist Church. The church
is ready and we've got the truth to proclaim. Oh my god, look at that crowd. Wow. Okay,
we're keeping that energy because it does not get any less weird or more grounded from here. So,
Savannah Stone from the Turning Point USA women and young girls indoctrination camp where they got
to learn how to submit to a man and pick up their underwear and keep their mouth shut if they're in
a violent situation. Yeah. So, Savannah Stone, listen, this is going to be mean. And I'm all
for repeating outfits. I'm all for borrowing outfits, renting. Let's reduce our impact on
3 minutesthe environment. Let's make it cool to wear the same thing over and over again. But Savannah,
whenever I see her, she only appears to own this one dress, white lace, which it I did actually
learn one thing from Lauren Sanchez, and it is that white lace always looks tacky. It looks
like something you would wear to like a bridal brunch in Tampa. That's not the real crime here, though. The real crime is that Savannah Stone is insisting that your iPhone is really just
a secret coded message about Adam and Eve and the forbidden fruit. So, let's go back to the garden,
shall we? What happened before all of humanity was cursed? A woman, Eve,
goes before God and her husband and is tempted by the serpent. So, how does this play out today?
Satan still rules over the earth. And he uses tools like the media to specifically target us as
women through emotional propaganda. Oh, that's not actually a baby. It's just a clump of cells. It's
okay. You can just get rid of it. You can't afford to have a baby right now. Your happiness is the
most important. The forbidden fruit is the media. You notice how there's literally an apple with a
bite taken out of it on your phone. It's not a coincidence. Eve represents us as women of the
west who look at the fruit, the media, and just cannot resist it. And Adam represents the weak
western man who says happy wife, happy life, and does whatever she says instead of what God says.
We have completely reversed God's design. Instead, what society should look like is this. God is
above everything. The man listens directly to God. The woman listens to her h Oh, a man. Who taught
her that one? That one's crazy. The apple is uh a logo. It's not religious. It's um not a symbol for
Adam and Eve. A guy just wanted an apple. Nobody loves to center themselves like Maga. And I just
5 minutesI just need to quickly show you this because uh it's crazy. So Toronto dump posted the USA's
new passport which says, "Welcome but be good, President DJT." For those that don't know how
passports work, You need one to leave the country. It's not. You don't get a passport when you arrive
when you arrive here. Um, okay. The Trump passport photo. It looks like he it was shot while he was
in a walker. It looks like the image you would see on a silver alert. And just when you think you've
seen the centerpiece of weirdness this weekend, you haven't because uh I got to toss it back to
the pastor summit. And this is a phrase that kind of dropped in my spirit. God still unlocks doors
today. He still releases destiny. And he continues to speak to us. Now, see, the halls of history,
they attest to the stories of men and women of God who have gone before us, who have labored, cried tears, died death, and prayed prayers. And they never saw the promises of God in their day. And
behold, God rips the curtain away from our life. And we step onto the scene of destiny. That's just
That's the generation we're in today. I feel like these people just like didn't have enough rhythm
to rap. And this is where we landed on. So he's saying God unlocks doors today. And what I have
to say to that is only if you're white, only if you've got a lot of money because we are literally
Steven Little [ __ ] Miller literally is trying to deport get rid of twothirds of Americans.
Twothirds of our population he wants out. And what are we doing with the rest of them? America,
the United States, we have a refugee ban, a real one. If you're running from a war or a
famine or a government that wants you dead, door is locked. Sorry. There is no unlocked door from
God. According to Turning Point USA, the door is freaking bolted. But if you're a white South
African, you're going to be welcome with open arms and a gift bag, a literal goodie bag. So,
according to the New York Times, there are going to be materials from Prageru, a children's book
promoting claims of reverse discrimination against white people, white identifying people
such as South Africans and a copy of Trump's 1776 Commission report, which downplays slavery's role
in America's founding and criticizes aspects of modern civil rights. Historians quoted by
the paper say the materials present a selective and misleading version of history. You don't say,
but they're going to give them a tablet. They're literally going to get tablets and a flag and
several hundred pages explaining why DEI is the real crisis of our times. And honestly,
I'm sure I I'm willing to bet if this is real, if this checks out that there is a MAGA hat in
there or at the very least a Turning Point USA freedom t-shirt. But I wonder I wonder if there
is this type of t-shirt because this is the real tea. This is what I'm about to show you. This is the real tea. Because remember how I mentioned the the grift, the ultimate grift,
the most disturbing grift? I'm not going to soften it because they didn't. Charlie Cook, he wasn't a model. He wasn't killed for Christ. He was killed because of his views on transgenderism.
But in 30 AD, the same people would have said John the Baptist, he wasn't a martyr. He wasn't killed for Christ. He was killed because he went to the king and told him to repent of his sexual
morality. Is that a Charlie Kirk after being pewed costume? Is that being sold by Erica
Kirk? I need you guys to remember that a man was actually killed. Very, very graphic slaughter.
And this is Melissa Fent Sedra. She is an Australian preacher and runs a ministry with
her husband Martin. She looks like she's 14. It's very weird. Why does she look so young? Here she
is on the Make Heaven Crowded tour while wearing a white freedom shirt styled soaked in blood. And
this is what I need to say that now I'm tapping back into my former career career that's on hold
brain. That is a licensed Charlie Kirk shirt. I am sure of it. That is the logo. This is their
event. You do not wear bootleg merch on stage at a ticketed tour that you're being paid to speak at.
This is sanctioned. They are testing it. This is a trial run. They are going to be producing
these. They're not on the website yet. We we can scroll on through and take a look. They are not there yet. I checked as of this morning. Not there yet. But they you can get a lot of other things.
You can get a a conservative girl t-shirt. You can get facts over feelings. You can get baby stuff,
America the Beautiful. You could get Charlie Kirk Walking into heaven pictures. You guys,
no wonder they don't want history books. This type of [ __ ] is not going to age well. This is not
a weird fan in a garage. This is a trial run. And here's the timing. Again, we are less than 10 days
out from the preliminary hearing, July 6th through July 10th, going to have cameras in the courtroom.
This is going to be the most evidence anyone is yet to see in this case, and we're going to be
covering it all. So, um, again, remember, Steven Miller is out there. He is at large. He's out
of the deflecting pond. He's coming out of event likely at any moment and he's deeply unwell. So,
best thing you can do in this moment if you want to keep staying informed about all these little details and things that other people aren't covering, make sure you subscribe. Find us
wherever you get your podcast. I am I am Lauren P across social everywhere except for Twitter where I'm Lauren Peritra and there's an imposttor trying to sell [ __ ] on an I am Lauren P. Not me either.
So, find us. Let us know in the comments what you think. I want to know also too if you've seen any
see similar sightings. Has he been slithering around in a wall cavity? Let me know if you've seen him drinking any condensation. Stay safe. We'll be back with more.

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FBI Planes, Lying Andrew Kolvet, and America's REAL Birthday - Ep 138
Baron Coleman
Jul 2, 2026

We take a look at the movements of a couple of FBI planes before, during, and after Charlie Kirk went down on 9/10 in Orem, Utah.

Also, we look at a few documented lies from Andrew Kolvet and at least one really weird moment that might reveal where Andrew ACTUALLY was on 9/10 when Charlie Kirk went down.

Finally, or maybe firstly, we talk about the true birthdate of America, July 2, 1176.



Transcript

Chapter 1: Intro
All right, guys. Welcome in. Welcome in.
Welcome in. I um I couldn't decide on red or blue, so I could smooshed them together and made this. This is what
you're going to get on the uh the last regular show before we do a uh Independence Day holiday. But what you are going to get is a very nice opening,
an homage to the actual birth date of this country, which by the way is today, July 2nd, 1776. We will talk about it in
a moment. Other things we'll talk about today. Andrew Corvette is a lying liar who lies. Oh. Oh, should I dial it back?
It's early. Sorry. Sorry, guys. Uh, we will show evidence that has never been before been seen from Mr. Kvette lying and being okay with it. How about that?
Is that better? We'll we'll dial it back a little bit since it's early. It's only 4:31 God's time and we're already getting a little heated. Sorry, it won't
happen again. Um, and then, uh, we're going to take a look at some FBI plane movement. That's, uh, it's a little interesting and ask a few questions
1 minuteabout who really was, where, when, and, and why. Because, um, one of the things we'll talk about with Andrew Kovette lying is we've gotten a little
information that he might not have all been where he said he was on September 10th. Maybe he wasn't in Santa Barbara
at all. At least that's what he seems to suggest in a clip that we will play tonight. So, there's a lot on the table.
A whole lot on the table. Uh, a little buffet. Uh, uh, what do they call that?
A, uh, smorgus board, a little something for everybody. We got crooks and liars and, uh, people sneaking in and out of town and and evidence of what was going
on behind the scenes. Big show lined up for you. So, welcome [clears throat] in.
Welcome in. Welcome in. I hope you will uh, look around the room. Look to your left. Look to your right. You're around greatness. You're around a high IQ uh,
crew. a very very high IQ jury. Um gosh, there was something else I was going to Oh, tomorrow mñana. The uh member show
will be Cassia from Daily Fredo. She will be with us. We're going to try to aim I told her for 100 p.m. God's time.
That's central daylight time. 1 p.m.
tomorrow God's time. Um I know she's very busy and she's on a very late time zone compared to where we are. So, we will try not to go too terribly long, but I'm really looking forward to this.
She's one of the upand cominging stars on YouTube. She's really just growing out of control and uh I want to hear about it before I can no longer get her
book because she's too famous. So, I will have her tomorrow for the member show. If you are a member, you can tune in. If you are not a member, now is a
good time to go ahead and take advantage of that. Uh you might get lucky though.
You might have somebody just drop a membership on your head because if you gift a membership while we're in a live stream, it will fall into someone's
account who is on the live stream and uh all they have to do is accept it and they are a new member. So, uh, Cassia from Daily Fredo tomorrow. Um, last
show, last regular member show before the weekend and then we'll be back Sunday night for the regular, uh, member
show. Okay, let me get into the open here because this is it's a lot of fun.
Chapter 2: Opening Statement - John Adams and America's REAL Birthdate, July 2, 1776
I really like this topic. I really like this topic. There are a few of us out there, John Adams dieards, just a few of
us. Not a lot, not a lot of John Adams dieards out there, but there are a few of us. And we John Adams die hards celebrate Independence Day on July 2nd.
We don't celebrate on Fourth of July with everybody else. I kid. I kid. We understand. Just dial it back. You'll see what I'm talking about. Are you ready, ladies and gentlemen?
Yes. I believe we're gathered here. So, let's get going. Um, this is your opening statement.
We gather this afternoon just 2 days before the official Independence Day holiday. It's often called the 4th of
July or often just the 4th. Many of us get the day off of work. We gather with family or friends. We wear red, white,
and blue. Or in my case today, you can't decide which to wear, so you smush them together and wear purple.
We eat too much food. And if we're lucky, we can take in a fireworks display. This tradition has gone on for
generations. This c this uh this year's celebration strikes a particularly emotional chord. If for no other reason
than the anniversary is round, meaning it ends in a zero. This year marks 250 years of American independence, a quarter of a millennium.
But at least one founder would be shocked we're celebrating on Saturday the 4th and not today, Thursday, July 2nd.
On the evening of July 3rd, 1776, in a boarding house in Philadelphia, future president of the United States,
John Adams sat down to write what remains one of the most passionate letters in American history. He was
addressing his wife Abigail back in Massachusetts, and he reflected on what he sensed was
the worldchanging historical events of the previous day.
The second Continental Congress had just taken the irrevocable step of declaring the 13 original American colonies free and independent states.
John Adams was ecstatic and he believed history would forever mark July 2nd,
1776 as the true founding moment of the United States. For example, in his letter, he wrote the following quote.
The second day of July, 1776, will be the most memorable epica in the history
of America. I'm apt to believe that it will be celebrated by succeeding generations as the great anniversary
festival. It ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance, by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty. It ought to
be solomonized with pump and parade, with shows, games, sports, guns, bells,
bonfires, and illuminations from one end of this continent to another from this time forward forever more.
You will think me transported with enthusiasm, but I am not. I'm well aware of the toil and blood and treasure that
it will cost us to maintain this declaration and support and defend these states. Yet through all the gloom, I can
see the rays of ravishing light and glory.
I can see that the end is more than worth all the means and that pro and that posterity will
triumph in that day's transaction even although we should ru it which I trust
in God we shall not. End quote. Well, Adams clearly got the spirit of the celebration right. But he was off by two
days on the date. The document we now call the Declaration of Independence was formally adopted on July 4th. That is
the day that became enshrined as Independence Day. Yet, the actual legal and political break with England occurred on July 2nd.
That's when Congress voted to approve Richard Henry Lee's resolution declaring independence. John Adams letter captures
both the triumph and the sober realism of that pivotal moment. And to understand why he placed so much weight
on July 2nd and why that date deserves remembrance alongside its more famous cousin July 4th,
you have to at least have some knowledge and understanding of the key figures, the body itself in which the decision
was made, the vote, and the profound consequences of the vote.
John Adams, for his part, has been called the Atlas of Independence. He was a Massachusetts lawyer, a farmer, and a giant intellectual.
8 minutesHis fierce commitment to liberty and Republican government made him one of the most influential architects of American independence.
He was born in a little town called Brainree, Massachusetts. It's since been renamed Quincy, obviously.
He graduated from Harvard and built a successful legal practice. He gained prominence in the 1760s and early 1770s
by opposing British policies through things like essays and legal arguments.
His NALS essays in 1774 and 1775 set forth an incredibly strong case that
Parliament, English Parliament, had no authority at all to legislate for the colonies without their consent.
He was elected as a delegate to the first Continental Congress in 1774 and quickly emerged as a leader of the
more radical faction alongside his cousin Samuel Adams. Not the guy the companies well I guess kind of the guy the company's named after.
John Adams was skeptical of reconciliation.
He pushed for stronger measures against Britain. When the second Continental Congress convened in May of 1775 following the battles of Lexington and Concord, Adams became even more central.
John Adams himself was the one who nominated George Washington of Virginia to command the Continental Army. This
turned out to be shrewd. It was a shrewd political move because it helped bind these southern colonies to the New England cause.
He served on dozens of committees, some reports suggest as many as a hundred and chaired about 25 of them, including the Board of War and Ordinance.
That board oversaw military affairs.
John Adams was also uh excuse me, he also authored Thoughts on Government in 1776. Thoughts on government was a pamphlet. Pamphlets were big back then.
This pamphlet influenced the drafting of the many state constitutions because it emphasized the balanced republican institution in the separation of powers.
By mid 197, excuse me, by mid 1776, John Adams was widely regarded as the leading
advocate for independence in the second continental congress. He sat on a fivemember committee alongside founding fathers Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin
Franklin that was tasked with drafting a formal declaration explaining the colony's decision to separate from England.
Although Jefferson did most of the writing, John Adams played a key role in shaping the document and defending it
during debate. John Adams pushed the declaration to extend beyond merely separating from England. He actually
sought a new nation grounded in Republican principles, things like self-government and the rule of law. In this context, it becomes clear that John
Adams July 3rd letter to his wife Abigail illuminates a man of deep principle,
ambition, and foresight. He was acutely aware of the sacrifices American independence would require.
The man who submitted the revolution, I mean the resolution, excuse me, to declare the American colonies independent states was a guy named
Richard Henry Lee. Richard Henry Lee was not from Massachusetts. He wasn't one of those people at all up that way. He was
from Virginia. He was a planter, an orator, and a statesman from one of the colony's most prominent families.
Richard Henry Lee was educated in England, but he returned to Virginia to manage his family's estates. He ended up entering politics, serving in the v Virginia House of Burgesses.
Like John Adams, Lee opposed British taxation and overreach, and he helped organize intercolonial committees of
correspondence and was also elected to the first and second continental congresses. That's where he got to know John Adams well. On
June 7th, 1776, Richard Henry Lee rose in Congress and
introduced what became known as the Lee Resolution. This was the resolution for independence.
on behalf of the Virginia delegation and following instructions from the Virginia Convention, he moved as follows, and I
quote, that these United Colonies are and of right ought to be free and
independent states, that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British crown, and that all political connection between them and the great
state of Great Britain is and ought to be totally dissolved. end quote.
Lee also proposed two companion resolutions. The first one authorized the pursuit of foreign alliances. They knew they couldn't do it alone. The
second called for a plan of confederation among these soontobe independent states. They knew they couldn't compete with each other. His
oratory was legendary. Contemporaries compared him to Cicero for his eloquence and classical style. Richard Henry Lee
was a radical voice in Virginia politics. He aligned himself with Patrick Henry and pushed against more cautious figures who urged a slower approach.
Though he returned to Virginia before the final vote on the Declaration and did not sign the Declaration of Independence on July 4th.
Well, he actually signed it later, not on July 4th. Uh Lee went on to serve as the president of the Continental Congress. He signed the Articles of
Confederation and later represented Virginia in the United States Senate.
And there he fiercely advocated for a bill of rights to be added to the Constitution.
Lee's resolution was the formal trigger for independence.
It transformed vague talk of rights and grievances into a concrete political act, a movement. The colonies were no
longer petitioning for reform. They were outright declaring themselves sovereign states.
So the second continental congress meeting in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania's state house, that's now Independence Hall. If you're
trying to figure out on a map where it is, uh it functioned as the de facto national government from 1775 onward.
It was composed of delegates chosen by colonial assemblies or conventions. It coordinated the war effort. It managed diplomacy. It made decisions affecting
all of the 13 colonies, but it had no formal constitution and it had no taxing power. The Continental
Congress exercised authority through consensus and the legitimacy granted by the revolutionary crisis. By spring of
1776, there was a strong momentum building for independence, though it still represented a minority of the
people. Thomas Payne's common sense had begun to galvanize public opinion. News of England's military actions and
England hiring Hessian mercenaries started turning many more Americans in favor of independence.
And we like to think of American independence as something akin to inevitable or at the very least universally desired, but that's hardly
the truth. The reality is a lot of the delegates still were waiting on instructions from their home governments and a lot of them still hoped for
reconciliation with England. So this was the backdrop when Richard Henry Lee introduced his resolution on June 7th.
The Congress debated it intensely.
Conservatives like John Dickinson of Pennsylvania argued for delay.
He and others feared the colonies were unprepared for a full separation from England and probably a foreign invasion
because they didn't have any alliances in place.
But the radicals, those led by Adams and those who supported uh delegates from New England and Virginia, they insisted
the time had come. No more talk, more action.
To allow more colonies to receive instructions and to seek greater unonymity, Congress postponed the final
vote, but appointed the committee to draft the Declaration of Independence in the meantime.
So they took a preliminary vote on July 1st and it was not going to pass. So they delayed it.
There was strong support, but it was not unanimous and it was in danger of not passing.
So they put it off a day to July 2nd, 1776.
And on July 2nd, after even more persuasion and after some pretty dramatic developments, Congress took that final vote of independence on that
portion of Lee's resolution and it passed. The changes overnight were crucial. For example, South
Carolina had opposed independence on July 1st, but a guy named Edward Rutled persuaded
them to support independence on July 2nd. They flipped their vote. In Pennsylvania, two moderate delegates absented
themselves, which allowed the other remaining delegate to be the final vote, and he voted yes. Delaware had only two of
their three delegates present, and those two delegates were split, one in favor of independence and one against. The third delegate was a guy named Caesar Rodney.
He was a strong supporter of ind independence, but he was absent because he was miserable. Frankly, he was suffering from facial cancer.
But he received word of the split in the Delaware delegation. He mounted a horse and rode 80 miles overnight through a
thunderstorm from Dover, Delaware to Philadelphia.
He arrived in the morning exhausted. He was muddy. He was still in his riding boots. He still dawned his spurs.
And it's in that condition, filthy and in miserable pain from facial cancer, that Rodney cast the deciding vote, and
it made Delaware's delegation 2 to1 in favor of independence.
New York's delegates abstained from the vote because they didn't have explicit instructions from their home state.
And when the final tally was taken, 12 colonies voted in favor of independence. Only New York abstained.
There were no votes against just the day before. The vote was at risk of failing.
But the vote on July 2nd was effectively unanimous.
The vote meant that the United States colonies were then or the United Colonies were then on July 2nd, 1776,
250 years ago today in law and in fact free and independent states.
On July 2nd, 1776, political allegiance to the British crown had been dissolved.
Congress immediately turned to draft the Declaration that had been prepared by Jefferson's committee. And after making
really only a few minor edits, the Congress adopted the Declaration of Independence on that famous date, July 4th, 1776.
The engrossed parchment was signed by most of the delegates by August 2nd.
So the July 2nd decision had immediate and far-reaching consequences. It transformed the nature of the conflict
from this rebellion that was seeking regress and grievances and and it turned it into a war for national independence.
The colonies could now legitimately seek foreign recognition and with that foreign alliances and they could also get foreign aid, something that was
prohibited before. These came mostly from France, but they proved decisive in the war's outcome. Domestically, back at
home, the July 2nd vote boosted morale among the people in favor of independence, and the civilians
turned patriots, I guess we could say, had their stakes clarified.
The loyalist and the neutrals at least knew the battleground, at least knew the rationale for what was happening.
The formal declaration adopted on July 4th served as the explanatory document.
It's the why behind the what that had been decided on July 2nd. It listed a number of items. It had grievances
against King George III. It articulated these enlightenment principles of natural rights by government and
consent. And it proclaimed the birth of a new nation.
And while the vote created the legal reality of independence, the declaration gave it the philosophical boost that
resonated around the world. The decision itself set in motion the process of forming a confederation. It encouraged
individual colonies to establish new state governments based on these new republican principles.
This was exactly the kind of work John Adams had advocated for in Thoughts on Government. In the long term, July 2nd
marked the irreversible point of no return. There was no turning back. We could never go back to colonial status under the crown. We'd never be trusted again.
And so the sacrifices that Adams foresaw in his July 3rd letter to his wife, the toil and blood and treasure,
those turned out to be nearly inconceivable.
There were years of war, decades, really. economic hardship. People lost everything. There was the loss of
thousands and thousands of lives in a relatively sparssely populated colonial America.
The rays of ravishing light and glory he envisioned in that letter actually did materialize.
The United States emerged as an independent republic. It endures to this day and it's inspired democratic movements around the world.
John Adams correctly predicted that future generations would celebrate and they would they would celebrate with parades and fireworks and solemn
remembrance. He was really only wrong about the actual calendar date of the celebrations because the declaration was the eloquent public statement of independence and it was dated July 4th.
That is the date that people became enamored with. The engrossed document itself carries the July 4th date right
at the top. So over time, July 2nd has faded from popular consciousness. It's really only nerdy historians and the
rare John Adams enthusiasts who continue to note its primacy. Adams himself never wavered in his view. In later years, he
continued to emphasize the significance of July 2nd and the revolution resolution's passage.
23 minutesSo, while July 4th gets all the glory, the story of July 2nd highlights this collaborative, even at times contentious
nature of America's founding. John Adams, he supplied relentless advocacy and intellectual firepower from all the way
up in Massachusetts. Richard Henry Lee, he provided the formality and the legal process from down in Virginia. And the
two worked together to bridge regional interests. Figures like Caesar Rodney, well, they demonstrated the personal heroism in service of this common cause.
The Second Continental Congress through debate, compromise, and finally decisive action forged a nation out of 13
desperate colonies. John Adams letter to Abigail remains a timeless expression of revolutionary hope tempered by little bouts of realism.
It reminds us that the independence was not merely a document or a holiday but a
profound political act undertaken at great risk. And that is a very
historical opening statement. I hope you enjoyed it as much as I have. Now, is that story all fine, well, and good? We
have no problems today because we Well, don't get so carried away.
And and one of the reasons I want to take you back to July 2, we'll get into the rest of this in a minute. One of the reasons I want to take you back all the way to July 2nd is because
when you when you stop and we we we we romanticize the founding of the country and we act like it was 100% people all
pulling in the same direction. There was no disscent, you know, we were willing to go to war. Hey, it was a minority position at the time.
I think something like 35 maybe 40% of people wanted independence. The rest of you are like, "What are you doing?
We've got a pretty good life. Leave us alone." I mean, what's the tea tax? A penny and a half. Come on, back up. Dial it back. Why are you guys so, you know,
why why you so been out of shape? Hey, now when you cut your tax check on April 15th, you're going to look back at that
tea tax and say, "Maybe they had it right. Maybe it wasn't too bad after all." No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. We're doing great. We're doing great. Uh, so God bless America. Yes, we
have problems. We have warts. We have all kinds of these issues. But I get this question sometimes, not a lot, but I get it sometimes. People say, "But if
you had to leave the United States and go somewhere else, where would you go?" Nowhere.
There's nowhere else I'd rather be. And I know a third of you guys roughly tune in from around the world, but there's nowhere else I'd rather be. I love it
here in the United States. We have problems.
We have problems, but man, it's a it's a pretty good country. It's a pretty good country. Do I do I affirm and ratify
everything our government does? No, of course not. There's lots of government does that I don't I don't like. But when when you walk down the street and you
26 minutestalk to the people, even first, second, third generation Americans, even even newbies,
people glad to be here. You know, they're happy to be part of it. It It's uh It's not quite the make your own life
or die that it was back then, but it's uh it's it's still pretty nice. Still pretty nice. I can't think anywhere else in the world I'd rather be. I'm sure
there's some nice places out there, but as for me and my house, we're going to celebrate on July 4th.
Chapter 3: Lying Liars Who (Allegedly) Lie - Andrew Kolvet Edition
All right, I want to get into um now that we've gotten this out of the way, let's get into the scumbags. I got
to get into the scumbags. You guys are never going to believe this. We have tonight, you're going to see it.
Um, we came across something pretty weird that indicated Andrew Kovette might not have all of
been where he claimed to have been on September 10th, the day Charlie Kirk went down.
27 minutesAnd if Andrew wasn't just a incessant liar, if he wasn't fine with lying, if he if he if he was a decent human being, I might look past something like this.
But I don't think he is. I think he's a horrible human being.
So, let me show you first where we got this because we could give credit to everybody who finds stuff. Um, this was a a relatively small find. It's only got
about seven or 8,000 views on X, but it's it's from someone named Charlotte Lee.
Charlotte Lee goes by Charlie's Angels 47.
She put this up here and uh it was an interesting find. We cleaned it up a little bit because we on this program do not like when people mess with videos.
We'd much rather look at the original source documents. And so that's what we did. We went and found the original source that this was from. And I will
play it for you in just a moment because this is pretty fascinating frankly. Um it's a quick clip. It may get past you
if you don't know what you're listening for.
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Andrew Kvet is with us.
You were here a week ago. We're a week away. And what?
Same time. Yeah, we're probably about or so out from,
you know, the the exact time of Did you Did you hear what Glenn said? You were here a week ago.
You were here a week ago.
Well, they're sitting in the Phoenix studio off Beverly Road in uh on the southern part of Phoenix. Well,
why why would Char why would Andrew have been there? You know, the official story is Andrew was not at all there. The
official story is Andrew was in Santa Barbara.
So, I I I look at that and I think, well, he could be tempted to look past it. You know, he didn't maybe just being polite. Like I try to give everybody the benefit of the doubt. I try to look at
all the different angles. Maybe he's just being polite. Maybe he looks and says, "Well, you know, Glenn, it's a somber moment." I didn't want to say, "No, you big dummy. I wasn't here at
all. I was in Santa Barbara." No, didn't want to go that. Um, but we started looking and thinking,
could he have been there? Like, is it possible Andrew actually was in Phoenix
when Charlie went down? Well, maybe.
Maybe if you guys remember, uh, we have charted two potential flights that Andrew could have been on. Is there a third? I don't know. Uh, this was the
Big Bang 12:23 p.m. This was a flight that left Santa Barbara, went to Scottsdale. It's important and it caught
our eyes because this flight had left Provo to go to Santa Barbara.
It had taken someone from Scottsdale, this orange flight here. It had taken someone from Scottsdale to Provo where the event was or just north of where the
just south of where the event was on September 10th.
I believe it took the Y refi guy, but I don't want to be quoted on that.
But it left Provo for some unknown reason and went to Scottsdale. I mean, it went to Santa Barbara, excuse me. It left Provo for some unknown reason and went to Santa Barbara.
It was only on the ground in Santa Barbara for a very short period of time, like less than , and then it leaves Santa Barbara and goes to Scottsdale.
What? Why did it go to Santa Barbara? I mean, what was in Santa Barbara? And why didn't it go to Scottsdale? What's in Scotsdale? The only thing that we know
that's in Santa Barbara is Andrew Kovette.
The only thing we know that's in Scottsdale is that's where the TPS USA planes have been flying in and out of. It's right next to where Charlie lived.
So, very confusing. Uh, as I looked at this, we we initially thought, well, that would make more sense that Andrew was on
this purple flight, but then we start looking at the timelines and we wonder why did this plane go to Santa Barbara?
Is it possible he was on this plane and maybe his wife came in? Andrew's wife came in on this purple flight because he did say she came in.
Now, Andrew, for his, you know, to give him his story, he claims to have been on this purple flight.
That flight took off at 3:12 p.m. and it did not land until 4:38 p.m. All times here in Utah time. If he was on this
purple flight, he would have never seen Erica Kirk anywhere but the hospital.
So, the problem with that is he claimed, at least as Candace Owens tells the story, he claimed that he fell into Erica Kirk's arms on the airport tarmac.
Well, if he's on this purple flight, there is no Eric there is no Erica arm falling. There is no tarmac meeting because by the time this flight landed,
Erica Kirk had long been gone, at least an hour been gone from the airport in Provo. So, we looked at this and thought, well, if he did fall into
Erica's arms, then he could not have been on this purple flight, so he would have had to be on this orange flight. Well, what are the consequences of Andrew being on the orange flight? Notice the time here.
12:23 p.m. is the big bang. The flight leaves at 12:33 p.m.
Meaning Andrew would have been at the airport or very very near the airport when the big
bang went off when Charlie went down in Oram, Utah.
And the only reason he said he flew out that day, he was not planning to leave Scots uh Santa Barbara that day.
That's his story. The only reason he left is because Charlie got shot.
So if he was on this orange flight, the consequence is that Andrew Kovvette knew Charlie was going to get shot. Period.
End of story. I can find no other explanation.
No other explanation whatsoever for why he would be on that flight. Now, when we raised that issue the first time,
we were given a um an explanation, not by Andrew,
not at all by Andrew. We were given an explanation by someone named House in Habit. Believe it or not, some troll name on X.
Some troll name on X gets a hold of Andrew's itinerary.
Alleged itinerary. This is it. House inhabit. Can you imagine responding to people through a Twitter profile called House Inhabit?
Candace devoted a whole show to an imagined tarmac hug. Again, I'm giving Candace the benefit of the doubt that the imagined tarmac tarmac hug actually was relayed to her by Andrew.
Why would she make that up? That's a weird thing to make up cuz it Well, she says to indicate some kind of scheming romantic plot. I don't
think Candace ever indicated a scheming romantic plot. I've don't want to betray private conversations, but I've asked her point blank if she thought there could have been anything between them.
She said absolutely not. She didn't think so. And I really don't either. I don't know.
I mean, this they don't seem that doesn't seem right to me.
I think the tarmac hug was, in my opinion, told to Candace as a way to say we were all heartbroken. I was shocked.
Erica was shocked. We commiserated on the tarmac. I think what he wasn't thinking at the time was he wasn't supposed to be on the same tarmac as
Erica Kirk. The timing didn't add up and it created a problem.
And so you have this situation where you you go back to those planes we just showed and the only way they could have had a tarmac hug is if Andrew was on
that first plane. And the only way Andrew could have been on this first plane is if he'd known Charlie was going to die. And so they leak out this document.
This is a supposed passenger itinerary from Paradise Jets. This is the preferred charter for TP USA.
And this supposedly had Andrew Kovette and his wife Caitlyn Shea Kovette. Now, this was put online by
House in Habit. We don't know how she got a hold of it. And if Andrew gave it to her, we don't know why Andrew didn't just release it. I have a theory on that in a second. I'll give it to you. Just
give me just let me go through this real quick and then I'll give you my theory. Hold me to that if I forget.
But we started looking at this and noticed that for example down here on the map, this map data said 2026 Google.
Well, this this is supposedly uh from 2025. So why would the map say 2026? That's weird.
Then we started looking and Daisy checked in and and this is not something that is proper. This is not something that can happen. You can't fly these
planes from Paradise Charters. Like you have to have a certain type of license and neither of these organizations have one that would allow you to use other
planes and create an itinerary from other planes. So it was a really weird thing altogether.
We concluded that this is probably made up, probably pasted together supposedly looking like it was an actual itinerary,
but is not. I don't know if that's true or not. That's just kind of the conclusion we came to putting it all together.
What did I say I was going to come back to? I can't remember.
Oh, why that you why would you leak this through House and Habit, not just release it yourself?
This is not the first time they've done this. By the way, you remember Erica's alibi photo when she was alleged to be
at Fort Wuka and they wanted to say, "No, no, no, she wasn't at Fort Wuka.
She was with her kids." For example, here's a picture of her with her kids.
And they put up the alibi photo, but they didn't leak it directly themselves.
They gave it to Gary over at uh Paramount Impractical. and Paramount and Practical put it up on the screen and said, "These are her kids.
This is who she was with." And it turns out they weren't her kids. Uh, one of them they've admitted is not her kid, the boy. We are challenging whether the
girl is her kid. I don't believe that's her kid either.
But even so, it was the wrong date and it didn't have her in it and it, you know, just the whole thing's nonsensical. But why not put it out
yourself? Why are we leaking private documents and private photos through an
online personality known as house inhabit and Gary Paramount impractical? Why would we leak it out that way? I'll tell
you exactly why. I'll tell you why I surmise.
If you ever end up in trial, if you ever end up in court in a deposition or on the witness stand,
you can be impeached with out of court statements. Now, you can't introduce those out of court
statements for the truth of the matter asserted. That's that's hearsay and that's barred generally speaking.
But they would be available for impeachment purposes. In other words, here you were on the record lying.
You're a lying liar who lies and the jury deserves to know that.
But if you didn't make the statement, can't be impeached with it, can you?
Like, we can't ask Andrew what flight you were on, catch him lying about it, and then say, "You lied about that, didn't you? That makes you look guilty." Well, we can't do that because he didn't lie about it.
He put it out through House and Habit. Why? Well, that's that's my guess.
That's that's the only thing I can come up with. So that you can't hold it against him. Same thing with the photograph. Well, if it turns out she
wasn't there and she ends up in court one day, you cannot then say, "Well, you lied." No, because it went through Andrew and it went through Gary.
And now we get a situation where it's it's it's nearly impossible to hold it against any particular person who might be under oath.
I truly believe that's what we're dealing with. That is a level of psychopathy that many people struggle to comprehend.
That's a real problem that many people struggle to comprehend.
Um, going back to this for just a second. Going back to this itinerary, just an example of something that was done here.
This is the actual plane here on top.
This is a photo of the actual plane that this photo was taken from. Notice they've blued out the
tail number. Why? Cuz it's the wrong tail number.
This tail number here is N937 Romeo Alpha. Well, you can't have that and then have supposedly flying on 872
Romeo Alpha. And so they just scratched it out. That's a weird thing to do. I you know, I don't know if if that's the
kind of thing that people do. We had a whole show on debunking this itinerary.
I I just think it's fake. I mean, it's just my opinion. I think it's fake.
But the question is, do we have any independent evidence, anything that's not yet public? Because we can find all these instances of close calls and all
this, but do we have any nonpublic information of Andrew just being a flatout liar and laughing about it and being fine with it? Yeah, we do. I'm
going to show it to you here in just a second.
I think most of this audience is high IQ enough that we're probably honest people.
And because we're high IQ honest people, this is going to be a little shocking.
So I hope you're seated. Hope you're not driving anywhere. If you are, don't take your eyes off the screen. Uh off the road, excuse me. Take your eyes off the screen. Look back at the road.
But I want to show you a text message that we got our hands on between Andrew Kovette and Marina Minus.
Marina Minus is the chief marketing officer, I believe, is her title at TPUSA. Andrew Kovette, lying scumbag.
Oh, excuse me. Uh, he is the uh PR guy. Excuse I misspoke there. I apologize.
I want to show you this because it gets right to the heart of how dishonest they are about everything going on at TPSA.
Andrew Kovette, October 15, 2025.
Be careful on the student network numbers. The 800,000 one. Now, here's what he's talking about.
After Charlie died, TPUSA started going around bragging
about how many new students were signing up under TPUSA chapters around the country
and there were all these crazy numbers that came rolling in. I mean, hundreds of thousands of new signups.
So Andrew Kovette is telling them, "Hey, we're stuck with this number 800. Be careful at it." He said, "I answered it
incorrectly at first, but now it's out there that we went from 450,000 or 500,000 to 800,000."
What do you mean you answered it incorrectly at first? So Marina Mina says, "What's the correct number?" He says 150, but I said 350, so just go
with it. LOL. Fox made a graphic. We're stuck.
LOL.
So, the real number was we added 150,000 new students to our network in the 6
weeks or so, 5 weeks or so after Charlie died. But you lied and you inflated the number from 150 to 350 or mistakenly said it. Whatever.
And you're laughing about it. It was really 150. You said 350.
So just go with it. Lol.
This is a deeply dishonest organization led by deeply dishonest people. In my
humble opinion, based on the evidence I have in front of me, based on the public and now private information that I have,
this is not the type of organization Charlie would have wanted.
It's just not.
And I'm not sure why they think all this is so funny. Uh, we want to know where that number came from, why it happened.
Well, here is a brief segment from Fox News where the number came from and the Fox
graphic they're talking about here. See this new student registrations up 350,000. That number should say 150, but
Andrew told them 350 for some unknown reason. student network is already at over 800,000 students across the country
and growing every single day. So, we thank God for that and we're going to keep keep moving.
But now we know that's not true. The network is not at 800,000 every day and growing. It's at 600,000.
And he just flat out lied about it right there. I'll let student network is already at over 800,000 students across the country and
growing every single day. So, we thank God for that and we're going to keep keep moving.
So, what are the consequences for lying about something like that? If you if you tell people
um and you're raising money and you're telling donors and you're on Fox News and you're broadcasting that, oh, we got 800,000 students in our network, but you
really only have 600,000. You've inflated it by a third.
And then you tell people, "Oh, we've added 350,000 new students," but you've really only added 150,000. So you've you've inflated it by 233%.
If you did that in corporate America, if you went on CNBC and you talked about the number of customers you have and then your stock price started to rise because of it, you would go to prison.
That would that would be actionable.
That is so dishonest. It is so wrong that you would have consequences. The SEC could open up a probe, the FBI could
open up a probe, you would have trading violations, you'd have all kinds of problems.
But because it's just a nonprofit, you get to look like this on Fox News
with a smirk on your face while you're lying to the entire world.
You can tell the truth behind the scenes and I guess we're not supposed to do anything about it. Like, do your donors
know that number was a lie? Did do the individuals who were donating know that number was a lie? Because I keep getting asked like, is there a way we can sue these people? Yeah, I think this is it.
I think this right here opens them up to a lawsuit.
Just like lying about a private publicly traded, excuse me, a a non a a for-profit publicly traded company
on national television about the number of customers you have, the number of active people you have, whatever it is, just the same that that would be a lie.
And you could you could be sued for that.
You could have a derivative shareholders lawsuit. You could have direct shareholders lawsuit. You could have a uh criminal complaint. Here is a graphic
they made that was displayed on Fox News. 350,000 new student registrations. That's not true. That's just not true.
It was 150. He admitted it in the text message.
This is what's become of TPUSA. You wonder why people are taking this personally. You wonder why people don't believe anything you guys say. This is why.
This is particularly why. This is exactly why this was happening while Charlie was at
TPUSA and he didn't tolerate it. I'll show you an example works with I have a story like this too and I'm I'm
ashamed that I am the villain in this story. Basically, it was two weeks before he died and I'll never forget it.
I there was just some annoyance that was, you know, in our way and we we we needed to deal with something. I can't even remember it was. And I just
remember going, "Hey, you know, we could just tell them XYZ and translation. We could just, you know, little white lie and it'll go away. They'll understand."
And I remember seeing the like the dots he was typing right [laughter] away. Right away. We don't lie.
It was a private message with me. And And it wasn't you don't lie. It's not I don't lie. It was Andrew.
We we here on the show and this turn in turning point. We don't lie.
Well, and not only don't lie, I mean I without even getting into it, but like if you run a huge nonprofit and DC is all about huge nonprofits. I know
everyone who runs them. Boy, there are temptations and there was never any of that here.
Well, there is now. Turning Point 1.0 with Charlie Kirk. Maybe they didn't lie.
Maybe Andrew wanted to lie, you know, is obviously he's inclined to lie. He's a liar. He's an admitted liar. He's admits that his instinct is to lie when it's convenient.
But Turning Point 1.0, while Charlie was still alive, he was kind of the backdrop. We don't lie.
Well, Turning Point 2.0, Charlie's not there to say we don't lie. Now we laugh about it on text messages behind the
scenes. Now we look at text messages like this
and we wonder what if Charlie had been copied on this text message. Be careful on the student network numbers. I answered it
incorrectly at first but now it's out there that we went from 450 or 500 to 800. In other words, we increased by 350.
What's the correct number? 50, but I said 350, so just go with it. LOL.
I don't think that's funny. Like, that's not an LOL moment for me.
That's not an LOL moment for me. That's not a moment where I go, ah, you know how it is. Those crazy those crazy numbers, they don't really mean No, they mean a lot. They mean a lot.
How hard would it have been to just say, "Hey, Fox, I I misspoke. It was 150." Or just in the in the thing say, "Hey, I
saw your graphic there that said we went up 350." We actually only went up 150.
I've gone back and double checked that number. Uh the original number was incorrect. No, you didn't. You just lied. And then and then and instead of correcting the record, then you go
instruct other people at the organization to lie. And none of them pushed back that I could tell. No one was like, "Oh my gosh, this is horrible.
We're stuck with a number that's not true. whatever are we going to do? And Ted's like, "All right, we're good.
That's the new number. Roger that." No, that's I don't want to Roger that. I don't want to roger that. We should be out correcting that.
I think that's just an idea of who these people are. An idea of who these people are. I want to switch gears. I want to go back in time because we made a quick
Chapter 4: FBI Planes in Salt Lake City and Idaho Falls; Why?
51 minutesmention of this the other day and I think it bears worth it it it it's worth a few moment to go through the mechanics of it.

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It's worth a few moments to go through the mechanics of it. I want to take you back to September 8th.
September 8th, two days before Charlie Kirk passed away. We know there were a couple of things going on on September 8th. One is
there was a flight into Fort Wuka that was on plane 99-04 to 04
and um it went from Washington DC joint base Andrews to Colorado Springs from
Colorado Springs to uh Tucson Arizona and then from Tucson to Fort Wuka.
That entire trip it was what's known as a reach flight. RCH is how the call sign began. Reach uh reach flights are um
they're not unimportant flights, but they usually don't have top dignitaries on them. When they have top dignitaries, they're called a SAM flight, a special air mission. We've gone over this a
number of times on this program. When the flight returns from Fort Wuka back to Washington DC by way of El Paso, it
gets a SAM designation. It becomes SAM 702.
And so there's somebody on the flight on the second leg that left the morning of September 9th. Uh there's somebody on
that flight that probably, in my opinion, wasn't on that flight on the way out. Who is that? Well, we don't know. But that wasn't the only weird
flight on September 8th. I'm going to show you another one here real quickly. There's a lot of ads on this screen. These are not anything I can control.
This is ADSB. This is a flight from Richmond. This is where the FBI plane seems to fly in and out of mostly. Um,
this flight leaves, if you look over here on the lefth hand side of the screen, at 13:50 Zulu time, so if you're going to go on Utah time, you have to subtract six from that. So 13 becomes 7.
53 minutesSo that's 7:50 a.m. Utah time. This flight leaves Richmond. This is an FBI
plane on September 8th. And it arrives in Salt Lake City.
It arrives. This is 1,800 Zulu. Subtract six. It arrives around noon on September 8th. And you can even see
where it goes. It goes, it lands on the ground here and then it taxis. And you can see these this black line tells you where it finally terminated at 1805 Zulu
time. That's uh zero time, which subtracting gives you 12:05
on September 8th. So the question is, what is an FBI plane doing in Salt Lake City? Is this normal? Is this a normal
flight for them? Well, no. In fact, it's not. Uh we've tracked two executive FBI planes.
They've only visited Utah one other time before this that we could find going all the way back to the beginning of 20 2024.
They only visited one other time.
That flight stayed on the ground for about . It it it landed at noon and it took back off at 12:55
on September 8th and that was 2 days before Salt Lake City becomes sort of the epicenter of the Charlie Kirk investigation cuz two days later he'd be killed.
Okay, it's just one flight. Nothing weird there. Then we have another flight.
This flight's a little more interesting and I think we could probably guess exactly what this flight was doing. We didn't know. We don't know what the September 15th flight was doing, but we can guess what this flight was doing.
This flight takes off out of suburban Washington DC. This is Manasses airport, and it flies to Idaho Falls.
What's it doing in Idaho Falls? It lands around uh 16:30 Zulu time and takes off
55 minutesaround 17:30 Zulu time. So it was it was on the ground for about an hour, give or take. Roughly an hour.
We can probably guess what it's doing in Idaho Falls.
The surgeon, Dr. Lee Dupant Troder, the surgeon who
we're told valiantly tried to save Charlie Kirk's life after he was uh taken down in Oram, Utah. That's where
he lives. He lives in Idaho Falls. He practices in a few different hospitals. He's not based at one single hospital.
He was at the hospital in Oram, Utah that day, September 10th, but he lives in Idaho Falls. So, we could probably guess what the guy was doing that what
this plane was doing. Of course, the FBI would want to have interviewed the doctor, right?
So, you go by, maybe drop somebody off, I don't know, maybe meet him at the airport. We're just going to fly in, meet the airport. But but but I don't understand why that couldn't have been a
phone call, you know? Why why why do you have to um
wh why do you have to um fly to Idaho Falls to talk to the doctor face to face? Okay, we'll give you once.
We'll give you once. Maybe you want to go out there one time and look him in the eye, size them up. That's one of the two FBI planes.
And so it's a little shocking when we keep tracking the planes and we realized that was not the only time they went to Idaho Falls. There was actually a second
time just 4 days later that they go to Idaho Falls. They leave the suburban Washington DC area. There's Manasses again.
And they fly, excuse me, they fly to Idaho Falls. Same thing. They land at uh
1659 and take off at 1749. They were there about again.
And that was that was September 19th. So the first visit to Idaho Falls was 5 days after Charlie Kirk passed away. The
second Idaho Falls visit from the FBI is 9 days after Charlie Kirk passes away.
Again, why isn't it a video call? I mean, say you want to look the guy.
Okay, the second one, let's do a video call. These are government planes. This is a Gulfream 5. Again, we're talking$1
$150,000 round trips. You're there an hour? You're going to pay $150,000 for an hour.
Why? What? What? What are we doing in Idaho Falls? What was happening on September 19th?
I'll tell you precisely what was happening on September 19th. Because here we have the principal herself, who
is currently on vacation, live on air September 19th. And guess who
she is claiming to have talked to in the very near recent past?
Oh, in the short run, he agrees that rather than send the footage, he will get onto a FaceTime call with me and he
will show me the footage on his computer. He did that and I watched the footage and I'm going to tell you what I saw. And
she's talking about the footage from behind Charlie Kirk. This is the Oh, sorry. I would not do that to you. Hold on. There we go. Uh, we're talking about the footage behind Charlie Kirk.
You remember shortly after shortly after Charlie Kirk goes down,
there's a guy named Terrell Farnsworth who works for TPUSA. He's a contractor, but he he's based out of TPUSA's headquarters.
He's the guy who filmed the Oh, no, they shot Charlie. Charlie's dead. He's the guy who did that. Everybody else is is
running for their lives or trying to render aid or or do something and and he's gotten to a high position and he's filming Charlie and himself and he's
flipping the camera back and forth. You get to see Charlie. You get to see them trottting Charlie to the car and he's like, "They shot Charlie." Then you look back and they see Frank jump in the car.
Oh, they shot Charlie. He's dead. Ah, he's dead.
That was Terrell Farnsworth.
September 19th, Candace reported that she had spoken to Terara Farnsworth. Well,
guys, you don't speak to someone and immediately jump on a podcast later. That's not how it works.
You speak to someone, you marinate on it, you prepare a show. Like, she obviously spoke to him before the show started.
And it was that same day that she goes live that the plane is in route back to the doctor, September 19th.
So, one gets the idea that Terl was not supposed to have shown that photograph to anyone,
show shown that video to anyone. And people were not supposed to know what the details were from that video.
Namely, I believe that there no bullet went through,
that there was no shot from behind because well, what day did she do this one?
Because just three months ago, March, she takes us all the way back to September of 2025, couple of weeks, week
and a half after Charlie passes, and she gives an explanation of how the FBI interpreted her phone call with Terrell Farnsworth
and her seeing the video footage from behind.
Do you want to know how I know, but it caused panic? Because the very next day on September 20th, Justin Strife was contacting my husband several times. uh
asking him if I had recorded that FaceTime call with Terrell. It came across like an urgent matter. I was sitting in the living room. George came to me. He's like, "Hey, I don't know
what's going on, but like Justin Strife is hitting me up. He's asking me if you recorded what what's what's he talking about?" I said, "What? Why does he care?
Why is this urgent? Why are they following up with you? What's up?" And he's like, "I don't know what." And then I explained to him what happened. And I said, "Honey, don't answer the question.
I find the question in and of itself to be weird. Why do they care if I recorded and have the back footage?
And guess what? I found out why. I found out. Do you want to know why uh they were feeling a bit of pressure? Who it was in particular that was placing
pressure on Justin Strife and Frank Carney uh to determine whether or not I had recorded that back footage.
The feds were the FBI. The FBI was on the phone with Justin Strife, Frank Carney, and they were apparently
speaking to the feds that day about whether or not I had recorded the footage. H Now, why do you think this information was so important to the FBI?
Why would the feds be concerned about whether or not I had the back footage?
I'm recording. I'm screen recording a FaceTime call. They've got it in 4K.
They're not protecting Erica. It's everywhere.
Unbeknownst to me at that time, this was also the exact day of Charlie's private burial. And yet, this is what they were
consumed with. Erica was highly concerned about the back footage as well. So much so that rather than attending exclusively to her husband's
private funeral. Okay. The higher priority for Erica on that day was to curate a response to the public regarding why the bullet had not gone through. I want to say that again. Okay.
Responding to my episode where I simply told the public the truth that there was no bullet that passed through was deemed
a higher priority than Erica being fully emotionally present at her husband's funeral. Her and Andrew were discussing
this. They peeled off to the side and they conferenced the surgeon on the day of Charlie's actual funeral.
So they conferenced the surgeon on September 20th.
It was September 19th that the FBI plane flew into Idaho.
It was before September 19th at Candace's show that Terrell Farnsworth showed her the video footage.
So, we have a situation that sometime before Candace's show on September 19th, I don't know if it's September 18th, early in the morning on September 19th,
I don't know when it was, but Candace and Terl are going back and forth. Can I see the footage? Can I see the footage? Can I see the footage?
And finally, Ter's like, "Fine, I'll show you the footage. Just I can't send it to you, but I'll I'll show it to you." So, he puts her on FaceTime and he shows her the footage.
September 19th, Candace announces to the world that she had seen the footage.
September 19th, the Federal Bureau of Investigation flies back to Idaho Falls, where they had just been 4 days before, presumably to talk to the doctor.
And it's the following day after the FBI plane goes to Idaho Falls on September 19th, September 20th, according to
Candace. This is I'm just taking her to word. But on September 20th, now the doctor is able to have a conversation
with Andrew and with Erica about possibilities for why the bullet didn't go through.
It makes you wonder if they were not nine days, 10 days into it very concerned about the fact that a
30 six, a rifle that shoots like a cannon that every hunter in the world knows goes
through a neck and blows a, to quote the great Jimmy door, blows a drive-through window out the back of a neck.
They were obviously concerned about why the bullet did not escape because on September 20th they
conferenced with the doctor Erica and Andrew. Again, this is all according to
Candace Owens. And I have very strong reason that I've corroborated independently to believe her that some of these phone calls at least took place.
I can't corroborate every phone call, but I can corroborate some of the phone calls. And I can tell you without a doubt that at least some of the phone
calls took place. Two of the phone calls she's referenced, I know for a fact took place, or at least I have independent corroboration they took place.
I can't tell you which ones because that'll give away who my source is on that.
That leads to this evening, September 20th tweet. This is the day Charlie was laid to rest.
Allegedly, September 20th, 6:57 p.m. Central time. So, this would be 5:57 p.m. Mountain time and 4:57 p.m.
Pacific time.
Andrew Kovette writes one of the strangest tweets ever drafted in the history of Twitter.
I want to address some of the discussion about the lack of an exit wound with Charlie. Obviously, that was the cause
of panic because that is his topic sentence for this entire tweet.
I'm usually not interested in delving into most of this kind of online chatter, and I apologize. This is somewhat
graphic, but in this case, the fact that there wasn't an exit wound is probably another miracle.
And I want people to know I just spoke with the surgeon who worked on Charlie in the hospital. So, he spoke
with the surgeon on September 20th. We have verification from him and I'm telling you I can verify that independently. He spoke with the surgeon who worked on Charlie in the hospital.
On September 20th, the day after the FBI flew into Idaho Falls, where the surgeon who worked on Charlie in the hospital lives,
for the second time in 4 days. The FBI flies for the second time in four days into Idaho Falls. And that happens to be where the surgeon who worked on Charlie
lives. And we looked through all the past FBI planes, flights as far back as we could find. No other visits to Idaho
Falls. Just these two September 15th and September 19th, just five and nine days after Charlie
Kirk passed away. So we can probably safely assume who they were talking to in Idaho Falls.
They fly in on the 19th. On the 20th, Andrew has a conversation. He said, he being the surgeon, he said the bullet,
quote, notice the quote marks here, the bullet absolutely should have gone through, which is very normal for a high-powered, high velocity round.
Despite what Impractical Paramount Impractical says, it is very normal for a highpowered 306 to go through necks.
So Andrew says that he quoted the surgeon as saying, "I've seen wounds from this caliber many
times and they always go through everything." Now, there's a there's this push out
there right now to tell you 30 sixes routinely stop in next. What are you talking about? Everybody knows 30 sixes stop in next. This is not unusual.
There's bullets do weird things. Nope.
Not according to the surgeon. Not according to this quote. This would have taken down a moose or two or an elk,
etc. Now, I will say this. I believe this quote came directly from the surgeon. I don't believe this was a
misquote. I believe the rest of this down here might be a misquote, but I don't believe for a second this is a misquote. I am confident the surgeon
said this that the bullet absolutely should have gone through and through.
Very normal for a high-caliber high velocity round and that the doctor has seen wounds from this caliber many times
and they always just go through everything.
This would have taken down a moose or two or no. I believe the surgeon said this and I believe the surgeon believed
it and I believe it that wound would have gone through and through if he'd had been shot in the neck with a 306 period. But it didn't go through. This
is where I think uh Andrew picks up his artistic license that they later I I I guess he's never fully retracted
this but but it didn't go through. Charlie's body stopped it. I mentioned to his doctor
that there were dozens of staff, students, and special guests standing directly behind Charlie on the other side of the tent. And he replied, quote,
"It was an absolute miracle that someone else didn't get killed." Now, this is the part I I don't believe
the doctor said this. I believe this is Andrew saying this. His bone was so healthy and the density was so so
impressive that he's like the man of steel. Super Charlie.
It should have gone through and through.
It likely would have killed those standing behind him, too. In the end, the corner did find the bullet just beneath the skin. Even in death, Charlie
managed to save the lives of those around him. Remarkable. Miraculous.
No, I I think you just made up basically everything from here down. I think all that's made up. [clears throat] The surgeon might have even said it was
a miracle someone else didn't get killed. Surgeon might have believed that it was a 306 and that it should have gone through and through.
I don't know. I mean, surgeons are not the ones who are tasked with pulling out the bullets and doing the examination and saying, "Is this the cause of death?
Is this how he was shot?" No, that's the medical examiner that's supposed to do all that. The surgeon's supposed to try to save his life. Stop the bleeding. Get blood in him. Can we get the heart started? Can we get his breath going?
No, he's dead. Okay, I pronounce him dead at whatever, you know, XYZ time.
But I don't find this timeline particularly strange anymore. I found it really weird. Like, why would he be
talking 10 days later? Oh, because Terrell Farnsworth was talking to Candace and then Terrell Farnsworth showed
Candace the video and then the FBI flies out back to Idaho Falls to talk to the doctor and then the doctor talks to Andrew.
Interesting.
I'm not saying that the FBI was telling the doctor what to say.
Now, do they ever go back to Idaho, these
feds? Well, yeah, actually they do. They actually do go back to Idaho because two days after the September 20th miraculous
phone call, two days later, one of these FBI planes flies from suburban Washington, that's the Manasses we saw
before, flies across the country and lands in Phoenix at Sky Harbor International.
That is pretty close to the TPUSA headquarters.
It comes in around 1708 Zulu and flies out around 1822 Zulu. So, it was there a little over an hour.
And then where does it go from there?
Let's see. Let's follow the little purple trail. Where are we headed, Miss?
Oh. Oh, we're going back to Boise. Now, this not Idaho Falls, but it's Boise.
But it's interesting. The doctor also practices in Boise. So, were they backseing the doctor or were they just doing something totally unrelated? Like they were going into Phoenix unrelated?
I don't know. They were going to Boise.
Unrelated. I don't know. The reason I don't think so is they leave Boise and go to Salt Lake City.
They leave Boise and go to Salt Lake City. And that's all on the 22nd.
And so it looks like to me the FBI is very much still very involved 12 days after this happened.
and they may still be involved today. We know this is a state case. Utah County is prosecuting
it. State Bureau of Investigation is supporting it. We know the ATF is doing some uh forensic analysis on the weapons, for example, and some of the
DNA. We know the FBI is doing some forensic analysis.
But are they still on the ground doing interviews? Well, maybe. Maybe.
Do you remember a guy named Lance Twigs and how in April he gave a statement
that's going to be introduced next week at the preliminary hearing? Now, they they they're not going to bring in Lance Twigs to speak. They're not going to have him subject to cross-examination.
They're going to put in a hearsay document. Not the one not the statement he gave September 11th. He gave a statement September 11th. That's not the statement they're introducing. They're
introducing a statement he gave in April. So, what do we have here? We got the FBI plane leaving Richmond, a common place for the FBI plane to leave.
We've got it circling over Cedar City. I don't know if that has anything. Maybe they're just buying time to land. But they go to St. George. Look at this. The FBI plane is back in St. George.
St. George, of course, being the area.
St. George and Washington. You see those right there? See Hurricane over here on the right? This is Hurricane. That's where the sheriff's department is. the Washington County Sheriff's Office. St.
George and Washington, these little looking like twin cities down here. This is where Lance and Tyler are from. This is where the Twigs and the Robinsons,
this is where they they reside. And the FBI plane comes in to St. George at the end of April. Do they go back? Is that
the only time that they go? No. No. They were there that day for about two hours.
[clears throat] And on May the 1st, they actually go back again. back to St. George.
Here is the plane leaving Richmond. And here is it flying into St. George.
[clears throat]
On this time, it only stayed about an hour. The previous time it stayed uh about .
So, I I'm not, you know, you you when you when you look at these flight records, you can't say
for certain who was on the plane or what were they doing there, but if you look at contact clues, you can get a pretty good idea. Like, I'm pretty confident
those two Idaho Falls planes uh were were to talk to the surgeon or to drop somebody off to talk to the surgeon. I'm pretty confident of that.
I can't think of any other reason why the FBI is going to Idaho Falls on September 15th and 19th.
And and keep in mind, Candace had been talking to Terl Farnsworth trying to get access to that
video footage. She finally did get access to the footage and talked about it on the 19th.
But it's not unheard of.
It's not unheard of for people to be observed.
You know, may maybe Terl said something around the TPUSA headquarters. You know that Candace Owen, she's really bothering me to get a hold of this video footage and someone overhears it and
talks to the FBI. Or maybe we don't know who listens to these things. Maybe Candace or Terrell or both
were monitored in some capacity and the FBI [clears throat] realized that these conversations I don't know. I can't answer why.
But I don't find it I don't find it just coincidental that
the FBI flies out to Idaho Falls the very day that Candace announces she had seen the footage. And then the following
day, the FBI in a panic calls Justin Strife, the COO of TPSA, saying, "Did Candace record the
18 minutesfootage?" And Justin Strife then calls George Farmer saying, "Did Candace record the footage?"
I don't find that [clears throat] particularly unusual, but I want to leave the flights alone for a second.
Chapter 5: Erika Bounces Back Quickly and Schedules Tour Stop on Sept 24
We recall Weall Erica doing the Megan. We've looked at this before.
This is this is a um this is part of a tour that Megan Kelly was uh was doing
in the fall of 2025. She was going around and doing her live appearances and turning those into podcast. I don't know if she has a radio show or what it
is. Uh this was the last stop of the Megan Kelly tour and she is with I'll just say it what I perceive as a
very strangely dressed Erica Kirk. She's wearing head to toe lace. A very I've never worn that. Mrs. Coleman's never worn that.
But she's she's appearing here with uh with with with Megan Kelly. She looks a little like spy versus spy, right? Where one of them's dressed in all black, one
of them's dressed in all white. You guys remember that from Mad Magazine? And they would like go after each other.
That's what it reminds me of. Spy versus spy. But this took place on September uh excuse me, November 24th,
the last date of the um the Megan Kelly tour. This was planned in advance. You don't just show up. Well, guess what? Guess what?
We have the comeback of the century. Um hold on. Where's that text? Uh there it is. We have the comeback of the century.
While most of the country was grieving, I would say almost all of the country was grieving.
While almost all of the country is grieving the loss of Charlie Kirk and almost nobody can figure out
what happened. Like they, you know, they just had the the funeral on the public funeral on September 21st. I mean, 11
days after he passed away. And then a couple of three days later, everybody's sort of walking around in a haze and a daze. Not Erica.
Not Erica. She's already planning the Megan Kelly stop. This is an internal text from TPUSA dated September 24,
2025. Hey MK, that's Megan Kelly. MK tour team wondering if there's a head shot they can use for Erica for all the tour materials.
For what? Is Erica doing the tour? Says Andrew Kovette. Yes, according to so and so the Glendale stop.
I I think even Andrew Kovette at that point was like really we're doing tours already like we're bouncing back that quick.
Should should we be doing tour stops on like or discussing tour stops three days after the public memorial? Yeah,
I think so. I think so. Um, this is where uh we've played this clip
before. This is the discussion that Erica Kirk had on the tour, the final and that you were a businesswoman in New York when you first got interested in
Turning Point. So, what were you doing in New York?
Remember that question, ladies and gentlemen? What were you doing in New York?
What were you doing in New York? This is a great question. Thank you, Megan, for asking it. Surely, we're about to get an answer.
So to go back a little bit further, I mean right now first and foremost um I'm a daughter to the king to the most high.
That's okay. That's nice. Uh what what were you doing in New York, ma'am? That was the question on the table. Uh how far back
are we going? You said to go back a little bit. Let's I guess you're going back before you were in New York. Absolutely.
The most important [applause] title, if you will. And my husband
in August before all this happened, he had a event where he had some donors at
and one of the first questions they asked was, "God forbid if something happens to you,
like what what what would happen next, a turning point?" And Charlie made a really
interesting point. He said companies, you know, example Apple, Macintosh.
He said, I I just point out that Apple and Macintosh are the same company. But that's okay.
They're founder le. He said, but what I have built is will one day, if I'm not around, be visionled.
Okay. The question on the table, ma'am, was what were you doing in New York before you met Charlie?
23 minutesI'll let you continue. I just wanted to remind you the question and he had made mention at the end like you know Erica will do a great job
running it. And when I watched that video this week, it really put into perspective
my youth and what I went through growing up and what I witnessed. you know, my mom
having her own company and being a single mother and watching her be the blueprint of, you know, I'm I'm not
afraid of raising my children alone because I I saw my mom do that. I'm not afraid of being a CEO because I saw my
mom do that. Um, the only thing that I fear to be fully transparent with you is being out of the alignment of God's will
because I feel like that is a very dangerous position to be in.
Okay. Um, the question was, "What were you doing in New York?" It's a great question. We're all curious. Uh, we'll let you continue. Hopefully, we're about
to get there. And so for me growing up, um, when I was in New York, it was one
of those moments where I really trusted God. That's where I needed to be. I prayed on it at first cuz originally I was living in LA. And I said, "Lord, if
this is where you need me to be, make it so clear." Bought a one-way ticket to New York. One suitcase. My mom was like, "What are you going to do when you're
there?" I was like, "I'll figure it out once I get there. I just know that's where the Lord needs me." And so many people questioned that. They said, 'You such a strong Christian. Why would you
go to such a dark city? And I said, 'The more that you take the light out of a dark place, the darker it gets. So
that's where I'm going. And I was there and yeah, but when I when I moved to New York, my Okay. So, what were you doing in New York?
Not well, we're not going to find out.
She [laughter] didn't want to talk about what you were doing in New York. Tells me we need to push. What were you doing in New York? Okay. Uh, last thing here.
Chapter 6: Was Graham ALSO Running Rapid Response for FBI and TPUSA?
25 minutesLast thing here. We talked last night about Graham Cracker Allen.
Love talking about Graham Cracker Allen.
Love talking about these Fed slop feders. Um, Graham Cracker Allen. Last night we talked about his role at the Pentagon.
The exac account known as DoD Rapid Response has more than 155,000 followers and says it supports the mission of SEC
def and fighting against fake news. It's managed by Graham Allen, former conservative podcaster who's now the
Defense Department's director of digital media. Rapid response.
Where have I seen rapid response? Oh, that's right.
The FBI has a rapid response and it's snarky and ugly and mean and makes fun of Candace Owens. Sounds a little bit like Graham
26 minutesAllen's Twitter feed. Someone named M goes by many and then a string of zeros after an underscore on X said, "I found
your guy behind the FBI rapid response account." I can't verify that it, but I'll show you what she says here.
Previously, Baron and Daisy pointed out that Graham Allen was behind the Department of War Rapid Response account, formerly DoD Rapid Response.
This clown is running the show with his favorite blondhaired blue shirt emoji.
So, this is Graham Allen very recently
making fun of Candace Owens with his little, you know, hand emoji, right?
Hand emoji. Well, okay. Well, what does that have to do with anything? Well, would you notice that the FBI rapid
response is run by somebody with an affinity for the exact same stupid hand emoji? The
failing New York Times seems to be having a hard time adjusting to a new reality. That's why everything is behind a payw wall because they need the money.
It's fake news lies. They will be held accountable.
Is is Is Gra is Graham Allen running this? Because he he was running
the DOW rapid response. And look, weird way to say SEC carries out the lawful orders of POTUS. That's kind of the job.
Okay. So, maybe he's running those two.
Well, we know that Graham Allen loves the DoD rapid response
account because he just as recently as today
retweeted the FBI rapid response. This is something common when you run a a fake account. You will often retweet it
28 minutesif you have a big following to try to get the fake account some some views.
here. The FBI rapid response comes in with a it doesn't use the emoji, but it it's it's just it clickbait garbage,
fake news. It's got all the symbols or all the signs here that this FBI rapid response really raises questions whether
or not this guy who retweeted at the top, Graham Allen, is the one operating the account.
But guess who else has a rapid response account? I bet you didn't know this, did you?
Remember Graham Allen left and goes back and now he's a TPUSA contributor?
Guess what happened? You know, he opens the Department of War rapid response account in February of 2026. Look what
opens in March of 2026. The official TPUSA rapid response account.
The official rapid response account of TPUSA. Thank you, Travis over on X, Neil X. What are the chances Graham Allens
runs this newly created rapid response account, too?
So, it seems like there's a pretty good case perhaps that Graham Allen might actually be the one
running the rapid response at Department of War, FBI, and TPUSA. I don't know.
I think if he's running either the Department of War or the FBI rapid response account still, we got a problem on our hands. Here is the original TPUSA
rapid response. Here's one from June 2nd about the women's conference. This is not really a rapid response. You're just
promoting your event. This is not really a rapid response. You're just promoting a ruling by the judge.
This is not really a rapid response.
You're just promoting some speaker at some event. So maybe TPUSA doesn't quite understand what rapid response accounts
are. Rapid rapid response accounts are for that's what we're getting out of it.
That's what we're getting out of it.
And what did we learn today? I like doing I like the summary.
Chapter 7: Review of Supers
The first thing we learned is that Andrew Kovette apparently, at least in my opinion, has
an issue with the truth. Has a documented, self-admitted desire to lie.
That Charlie didn't appreciate it and chastised him and corrected him on it.
and that now that Charlie's gone, apparently if those text messages can be believed, and I believe they can, um, is
is laughing about misstated facts these days. Even the misstated facts grossly inflate by 233% the numbers of new
people they had come into the TPSA fold shortly after the taking down of Charlie Kirk. So that's a problem. That's a real
problem. So that's number one. Number two, there's something going on with the doctor in this case.
Something going on that necessitated, I believe, two flights by the FBI into Idaho Falls where the doctor lives.
and a tweet from Andrew Kovette lying, a fake tweet that purports to be from the doctor
talking about how miraculous Charlie Kirk's spine is, how strong it is. That's a little weird.
And for being honest, that's a little weird. That's And the third thing, well, there's
really four. The third thing is that Erica Kirk bounces back faster than anybody. 3 days after the public memorial, she's going on tour. Like, she's already planning to go on tour.
There was no holding back Erica Kirk to see how she was received. There was no go home and grieve for a little while.
No, it was like, oh, I got a chance to be on Megan Kelly. Book it. I need a fresh promo. Who's got my head shot?
That's pretty quick. That's a pretty quick turnaround. A pretty quick turnaround. I think it's things like that that make grieving widows despise
her. I think it's things like the 306 not going through the neck that make people like hunters and military people
despise the narrative that Tyler Robinson shot Charlie Kirk in the neck with a 306.
And I think it's things like the Graham Allen rapid response weirdness that makes people realize this entire
operation is just covered up with feds and that we're being manipulated and lied to every single day.
I want to know who killed Charlie Kirk, how and why.
And if TPUSA had nothing to do with it, I think they should be exonerated.
But the worst way to be exonerated. The one thing you cannot do when you're trying to be exonerated is to lie.
To lie over and over and over. And to get caught lying over and over and over.
And one of the most unfortunate realities is Erica Kirk has been caught lying a lot. Documented lies. Like does she have two degrees? How many beauty
pageantss has you been in? I mean, these are basic biographical facts. Why would you lie about any of that? Like, if I I told you I played for the Cubs, you
know, in Major League Baseball, you'd you didn't play for the Cubs. That'd look pretty foolish, wouldn't I? I told you I had two undergrad degrees and you
you only have one. That's That would look pretty foolish.
I think you would rightly look at me and say, "Well, can we believe anything he says?" If I'm asked, "What was I doing in New
York?" and I give you a tale about how I'm a son of the king. That's the most important title. And then I go on to say, "Well, I was raised by a single mother." And you say, "Well, no, you
weren't raised by a single mother." Erica Kirk did the same thing. Oh, I was raised by a single mother, so that
doesn't work. You weren't, though. Your mother was remarried and she ran a company with your stepfather who lived in the house.
And at one point you're quoted an article saying your parents and grandparents lived in the house. Like it was a full house.
How many years did you play college basketball? One versus two. Like that's a documented fact. Why would you lie about it?
There's just a a deep culture among these new TPUSA people for
dishonesty. Even Blake Nef, right? Uh I'm sorry, just a deeply dishonest actor.
Um I I find his treatment of that woman under a a pseudonym just disgusting. And that's dishonest to me. If you're going
to open up a pseudonym and harass an Asian woman across the course of many years, that's there's something wrong with you, dude. That's like that's dishonest behavior. That's gross.
And these are the people running the show. These are the people running TPUSA 2.0.
And so when you when you come to us and you say, "Well, you guys are accusing uh Erica Kirk of X, Y, and Z." Well, do you
have a quote for that or am I just accusing Erica Kirk of being dishonest? Cuz I feel like I've proven that.
You know, in my opinion, I feel like we've proven she's dishonest. Well, that doesn't mean I am accusing her of pulling the trigger. I think that's
foolish. I've never said that. I don't believe that's true.
Oh, you guys are just trying to take down TPUSA. No, what I'm trying to do is point out that you guys are saying that TPS USA is going to be instrumental in who the next vice president and
president of the United States is going to be, who the next US senators are going to be in the various states. You guys are saying these people are instrumental and I'm saying these aren't the type of people I want making those decisions.
They're dishonest people. I don't want dishonest people making these decisions.
I don't want dishonest people controlling billion-dollar organizations that impact who the next president of the United States is going to be. I prefer honest people in those positions.
And so, no, I don't believe that you were on that plane because if you were, there are ways to prove it. You obviously think it's worth proving because you leaked out a stupid
itinerary that looks like it was glued together by a fifth grader.
But if you were on the plane and you do seek to prove it, just prove it, man. There are ways to prove it.
And you guys fly on Paradise Jets charters all the time. If you run a Paradise Jets charter, just ask them for the manifest. If you run a different
company, say, "Hey, I was on that flight. I need it." But but that but that's they don't do that.
If you were with your kids on that day, prove it. Don't send out a fake alibi picture from another day and say, "I was with my kids." And then it turns out those aren't your kids.
And that's not the right day.
It makes you look bad. Makes you look terrible.
You can't blame us for saying you look bad when you do stuff like that.
If if if you're going to think it's worth putting up an alibi and then your alibi falls apart, you can't then blame
us for pointing out your alibi fell apart. You blame yourself.
[clears throat] If it's not worth putting out an alibi, ignore the criticism.
But the worst sin of all, what they've done here recently, the worst sin of all that TPUSA has done, rather than go out and answer any of the
questions, they go hire these attack dogs so that they can sit back and act like they have clean hands. We don't have
anything to do with these attacks. And then these attack dogs that they bring in to hire, they go out and they try to create problem.
Well, once they do that, they become fair game. We're allowed to do the research and allowed to see, who are these attack dogs? What are they doing?
Oh, this attack dog was on a swinger site. Okay, here's the evidence. Oh, this attack dog used to call Charlie
Kirk uh horrible names and called his wife [ __ ] or Erica Kirk. Yeah. Okay.
Well, here you go. Oh, this attack dog is an actual fed. Like, admitted fed. Yeah. Okay. Here you go.
Like, we're allowed to do that.
And if you don't want us doing that, don't send these stupid attack dogs after us.
That's not us being the bad people.
That's just us saying this is who they're hiring. They're hiring these people. This is who TPUSA is associating with.
I've never accused Andrew of being on a swinger site. Doesn't mean he hadn't been. But I've never accused him of what? Of it.
I find it deeply disturbing because all of this discussion started over a a man's homicide.
And rather than just come out and say, "Oh my gosh, our boss, our best friend, our husband died,
40 minuteswhat can we do to help? You guys have questions. What are your questions?
Here's all the information we have." You hide behind these fake alibis, these fake excuses.
You you you tell these lies, you spin these tales. You act all weird. And then anyone who points out any of it is the bad guy.
That's how most of these cases unravel.
That's how most of the time when somebody is determined to have committed a crime when we previously thought that person was a victim, it usually is
because they weren't acting right after the fact. Uh go back to uh uh Corey Richens in Utah.
Husband dies. She goes out on grieving widow tours. She sells books. She becomes famous for being the grieving widow. Does television interviews and
all of a sudden people are like, "She's not acting right. You sure she didn't do it." And you dig into it, you're like, "Oh my gosh, she did do it. [laughter]
We should arrest her." And they did. And they convicted her. Now she's going to spend the rest of her life in the pokey and the slammer in the big house. That's how these things come undone.
People aren't acting right. You start realizing everything they say is a lie.
They're not acting right under the circumstances. They don't seem very concerned. Every time you ask about where they were, they tell a lie.
Like, if I'm accused of murder, the last thing I want to do is lie about where I was that day.
If I tell you I was with my mom and my mom is gravely ill and we were at the clinic and I collapsed in the parking lot, I better have been there.
There better not be anybody on the phone refusing to confirm or deny if I was at their business on the other side of town.
There better not be any doctors in any other locations that are saying, "Well, maybe she was with me." No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Must be where you said you were.
And if you said you came in on a certain plane, you better have been on that plane.
Particularly if the alternative plane indicates you knew about it.
We got a lot of this going on. You better not be putting words in the surgeon's mouth to support a gunshot
narrative that is falling apart that everybody looks at and says, "No, I'm telling you right now, if you put grieving widows, actual widows and
hunters on that jury, he's walking. I will promise you that. If you get two
hunters and two widows on that jury, he's not going to prison.
And that's not us being bad. That's just commentary on reality. That is me commentating on reality. That's all that is.
When you come across an actual widow and the topic of Erica Kirk comes up, they don't have nice things to say. Not just in my comment section. I'm talking about anywhere in society.
Even someone who knows a widow, they don't have nice things to say about her.
That's not me.
That's just people observing with their own peepers what she's doing. That's people that look and say, "On September 24th, 14 days, two weeks to the day
after your husband died, you're searching for a head shot to go on a tour with Megan Kelly. What? What are you What are you talking about? You were
laughing at emojis 5 days later. You're bragging about merch 2 days, 3 days after you after the event. You called your husband's memorial the event of the century.
and said you pulled off the event and then you're bragging about merch sales and signups and this is weird guys. You
can't blame us for pointing out the weirdness. That's not how this game works. You guys are the weird ones.
44 minutesWe're just observing weirdness and commenting on it and pointing it out. Hey, there's weirdness going on here.
And if you refuse to answer the questions, that's fine. just go away.
Just let us do our job. Let us look into this. Let us see if we can figure out who killed Charlie Kirk, how and why.
And if the answer comes back to Tyler Robinson, so be it. I'm beginning to think every day more and more that that's not a possibility. But open to it certainly.
But if you hire people to go out and be your attack dogs to come after us, you look awfully guilty.
and this whole ex community that you guys have cultivated that goes out and attacks individual podcasters, individual commentators who are just
trying to in uh investigate this murder, this whole community you guys have cultivated and developed
and pay and and but many of the people you're paying for. It's weird. It looks guilty.
it. I'm sorry. It just does. Does it mean you're guilty? I don't know. I really don't know.
But I can say if you were guilty, it's what you would do.
You would hire pugilists to go out there and do battle on X.
You would have your paid contributors, Graham Allen, Brandon Tatum. You would work through podcasters, Gary and Practical. You would work through
bloggers, House and Habit. Then you would feed all this information out so you could sit high and mighty behind
there. [laughter] Guys, it's weird.
Don't blame us for noticing. We're allowed to notice weirdness and comment on it. And that's what we've done. It's all we've done.
If you don't like it, answer some questions.
you don't like it, provide some alibis and evidence.
I mean, you have a fifth amendment right to remain silent in this country. There's no doubt about that.
But any lawyer will tell you once you wave it, you start answering questions, you need to keep answering questions. Otherwise, you look really bad.
You look really, really, really bad.
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Part 1 of 6

Candace Owens - "I Don't Believe Tyler Robinson Was Even There" | SRS #318
Shawn Ryan Show
Jul 2, 2026

Candace Owens is an American political commentator, author, and independent journalist known for her outspoken views on politics, culture, and current events. She rose to prominence through conservative media and has built a large audience by challenging mainstream narratives, investigating high-profile stories, and advocating for free speech and individual liberty. Today, she produces independent content covering politics, media, and global affairs.



Transcript

Chapter 1: Welcome & Introduction
[music]
Candace Owens, welcome to the show.
I'm so excited to do this. [sighs] You and me both. You've done everybody but me.
Well, that doesn't sound good, right? I've been just like [laughter] being completely left out.
Well, dude, I've been nervous to meet you. Really? [ __ ] yeah. I'm nervous to meet you. I feel like I'm nervous. I don't want to get on your bad side.
Me? [laughter] me. Little old me.
Sounds like there's some rumors out there about me. I got to clear up. I'm so nice. I'm so friendly, you know.
Well, me and uh our mutual friend Dana had a lot of conversations. I was like, ah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't want to wind up on her bad side. She
always spoke fairly highly of you. So, it's interesting to think about that like what people think about you before they meet you because obviously as you
know there's always going to be like the the caricature, you know what I mean?
And so we obviously have to rely on I don't know articles, what you hear, what's happening.
And I guess there's always that moment where you're like, I wonder if it meets what I think I know about her. It didn't. It didn't.
Way better.
I'm glad obviously. So, yeah, it was uh man, I'm glad we had dinner that night.
Yeah, it was such a great dinner. I mean, your wife's amazing and your story is amazing and I was always keen to do your show. I was like, "Wow, he's right
here. We're like living in the same town. We were almost neighbors and uh you just do great stuff, man. I really wish that would have happened."
Yeah, the neighbor thing. [laughter] I know. Almost. Who knows? Maybe in the future.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, we got a lot to cover today.
We do, dude. Lot going on, man. No kidding.
But let me start you off with an introduction. Not that you need one, right? Candace Owens, you're a political commentator, author, and independent
journalist known for challenging mainstream narratives and tackling controversial issues. Over the past decade, you've become one of the most
influential voices in all of media, building a massive audience through your commentary and investigative reporting.
Today, through your independent platform, you continue to cover politics, culture, and current events while questioning official narratives
and sparking national debate. And most importantly, you're a Catholic.
[laughter]
Most importantly, I am a Catholic, a mother, a wife.
That's right. And so, before we get into your life story and all the other stuff that we're going to talk about, couple things to get through. I have a Patreon
account. Do you have a Patreon? I was on Patreon and I don't think I am anymore, but I know all about Patreon. Right on. Yeah.
Well, we're on there and um they're the reason I get to sit down with you today. So, they get the
opportunity to ask every single guest a question. So, this is from Kim Turner.
Candace, you faced intense public criticism, particularly particularly accusations of disloyalty to the black
community and the Christian community for holding independent views. How do you maintain your composure and stay grounded in who you are when those attacks get personal?
You know, I don't know that I pay too much attention to the criticism that's lobbed at me anymore only because it it's constant. And I if you if I spent
every day worried about what people other people were thinking about me or allowing them to define who I am, I wouldn't get out of bed. And I've got
four toddlers at home. So I just shut that entire part of my life off. And people are very surprised by that. But
it truly um doesn't impact me. I know who I am. So I don't have to go to the internet to learn about who I am.
You you legit it doesn't bother you at all.
No, it genuinely doesn't bother me at all. I'm I'm definitely I think battleh hardened. I think over time uh maybe
when I was just getting started I felt I don't know maybe a twinge of that's
not fair, that's not true. But when you have substance in your life, like real substance and you're not swimming in
your own insecurities. Meaning when I first got started, I wasn't married. I didn't have uh you know, I didn't have my family. I didn't have kids relying on
me. So, life is just so much more like substant now. So, real.
Wow, man. I I I mean, I'm a lot better at it than when I first started, but man, this [ __ ] bothers me. Really?
Yeah. And then I see like the Time magazine cover thing that Trump posted about you. Oh gosh. Tweeting about you.
Yeah, that was a moment.
All of your enemies. You have a lot of enemies.
I I can't even believe that I forgot about the Trump thing. The Trump tweet. You forgot about it.
Yeah. Until you just mentioned it, it's that it's it's not even something that I even think about. It was so strange. It was so strange. I was in Italy getting
confirmed by a cardinal and that I was so excited about it. And it was just it's weird because it's the president of
the United States and it's something that maybe you would expect to see if you're in high school and people are trying to like find ways to hurt you,
but you know when the president of United States is like you're fat, you're ugly, you know that it just feels weird. It was just very strange. Well, it is weird.
It's weird. Ojectively, I thought it was very strange. And I don't have Did he forget you he started a war?
Yeah. [laughter] Isn't that a little more important than [ __ ] generating AI Time magazine cover photos about podcasters?
And beyond that, just kind of basically saying you're ugly is just there's something so elementary about it.
I'm just not in high school. That's not something that I wake up every day and wonder does the president that I think I'm hot or not. There's something about
it like that's just like okay he's got a type and he said Breijit Mcronone's hotter than me he's allowed it's a free
country you know it was that was definitely a moment where I was going this is this is a some
strange enemies to have did you find humor in it genuinely at the time I was there was just so much going on I was in Italy and
my phone started blowing up and I was so excited about the eve of my confirmation that and I had just had this wonderful
dinner with um my priest and I had a meeting with the cardinal about the confirmation that I just turned my phone
off because I didn't want to even let in whatever energy that was as nope you're not ruining my day and I was like I felt like I was like on the eve of my wedding
or something and there was there was too much spiritual goodness that was surrounding me I guess is the best way to put it. uh we had planned that trip
for a very long time for me to go to Italy and get confirmed and I just wasn't going to allow that to be a a memory and so I just was like I'll deal
with that when I get back and such a strange thing to be in a place where you're putting the president United States on hold [laughter] everyone the guest was waiting for a
response and I was like I don't have time for this [laughter] that was it was I don't have time for this I'm really excited and it's this is
my wedding day so to speak and that was that and then we had a fantastic time in Italy. And then when I got home and the podcast was back on, I was like, "Okay, now where where's the child? Time to
address the child." I here, you know,
[laughter]
shame on you. This is not a good look for you. And I I don't have that. I don't wake up every day wondering if the president thinks I'm pretty. That's just not a part of my life.
Well, as many enemies as you have, they
[sighs]
they give you a lot of attention. They do.
I think uh I think it helps you a lot more than it hurts you, which is pretty cool. Definitely don't think that a moment like that empowers Trump. That's
what I would say. I think it diminishes him in a way. Uh, you know, you shouldn't relinquish your power like that as the president. You know, to dig up a photo of me when I was sick.
And I shared that photo, by the way. Um, are you serious?
8 minutesYeah, that that photo is real. I shared it early on in politics uh to talk about I I went through a really tough time
when uh what was it 2015 I got sick from mold illness and I never thought I was going to be the same person. It was a a
leak an HVAC leak that happened in my building and it destroyed my insides. I mean it started um what's known as
candidiosis growth in my body. I had I mean overnight my whole I felt like my whole life was taken from me. I couldn't think. And if you don't know what toxic
mold illness is, it's almost impossible to describe, but I I had head to toe overnight eczema. I had never had
eczema. Um, athletes foot. My eyes were red and just kept pussing. And I didn't know what it was. I didn't know what was
happening, why it was happening. My hair fell out. And uh in the scheme of everything that was going on, I the
worst part of it, forgetting the physical and not recognizing yourself in the mirror because I mean I could share worse photos than he shared. I was like
if you want them all, this is actually look I look pretty good relative to what was going on head to toe. Um but the worst part was my my brain. It I the
only way to describe it is you can't think. You can't it's almost like being in a permanent if you ever had like brain fog. Imagine like the most intense
brain fog you could ever have. And it just physically exhausted me. So I was just in bed all day every day. And the only way to beat back that sort of mold
illness, I mean, they can give you temporary pills, whatever. It's through diet. Like the most regimented diet because sugar is what feeds it.
And so I it took me a year um to and I never thought I was going to be able to be myself again. And that was the hardest part is not being able to think.
and I have relied I I didn't realize how much I had, you know, relied on my ability to reply and I loved writing.
And so it was I just was I remember just getting on my hands and knees and praying bargaining really actually with God, which isn't um something that you
should do. But I was like, I don't even care about the physical stuff. I don't care if my hair never grows back. I don't care if I have these patches all over my face forever, if they never
clear up. Um I don't care if I have athletes but once a week. like please just let me think like please just clear
the cloud in my brain. And I think about it because it was right before I became a public figure. And I just now have the perspective that I was truly humbled.
Like truly humbled before and never thought I was going to look the same.
like and I I never even realized how much easier um like how much I had relied on being like generally uh
good-looking, you know, to kind of get through life. Like there's so I didn't want to see anybody. Um and my I only saw my cousin my cousin who still works
with me today. I would not go out of the house and cuz I was sleeping mostly the whole time and anyway and it was a a long process, a very strict diet.
Obviously, I got so skinny because you you kind of have to starve it. Yeah, you kind of have to starve it. So, anything that has sugar, even fruit feeds it. Uh,
and so, but in the retrospect, I learned how to cook everything from scratch.
We were I ate I learned how to eat the best ingredients. I learned about ingredients and I became really passionate about that. I mean, that's
why I garden today. So, yeah, I was humbled. I was humbled right before I
got into the public sphere. And so I actually look back on it quite fondly.
And I think it kept me away from a lot of the vanity that comes with politics and publicity cuz I know it can just just like that be taken away from me.
Man. Wow.
So he took you at your lowest point and exploited it all over the internet.
Yeah. And then I shared it with everybody. I was like, I've got worse pictures. I mean I was sick. you. I don't know. I guess you can go around and find people when they have cancer
and lose their hair and put them on a Time magazine. I was very sick, but I'm really proud of it. It's It's such a weird thing, but I I shared it myself.
And so, I think what happened was a lot of times with his team, they just look for things on the internet and they're trying to be fast and respond and they didn't know where the source of that
photo was. And it was me. I shared it back when I first entered into politics and talked about, you know, a tough time in my life and uh yeah, I'm still I'm
still just very proud of it and gratefully, thank God I I got everything back, not just my brain, you know, my
hair came back, my skin cleared. Um and yeah, I just I'm very grateful. Yeah.
Well, I want to do a live story on you.
Actually, one more thing. Everybody gets a gift. What am I getting?
I feel like everybody gives a gift, but I don't have a life that's cool enough to match all of these gifts. I actually love gummy bears. Are these actually elite?
Yeah, they are elite gummy bears cuz you can't like put vigilance elite gummy bears on here if they're not elite. They're elite.
Okay, rip them open.
I'm going to have one. I'll be the judge of that. All right. All right. Here we go. I love gummy bears. Good.
Yeah. I'm going to They smell really good. I will say that. [laughter] They actually smell really good. I love gummy bears. Of course, not with bread.
What do you think?
I'm not just saying this cuz I'm on your show. They are really good. Why are they good? Well, cuz they're made in the USA. That's it. Michigan.
America, baby. That's right. 250 years of elite gummy bears.
[laughter]
Yeah. Yeah. But all right, Candace, I want to do a life story on you and then towards the end we'll get into all the stuff you've been digging into for about
Chapter 2: Early Life & Family Values
the past year or two. Mhm. So, where'd you grow up?
So, I was born in New York in White Plains. That's actually where my mother uh grew up mostly and she went to high
school there. So, a lot of my family's in in that area, Ry White Plains area.
And then I went to school and had my formative years in Stamford, Connecticut, which is just kind of outside of the city.
It's kind of like if you have a job in the city and want to live in the suburbs, you move to Greenwich, Stamford, New Kanan, Fairfield County area.
Okay. Mhm. How many siblings do you have?
Three. I have a brother and I have two sisters.
What your parents do? Well, my dad was a plumber growing up and my mother worked at a chiropractic facility sort of as
you like the manager and did a lot of the billing for them. Okay. You guys tied? Yes. Tight family?
Yes. Like well my parents are divorced.
So I mean I guess you'd have to ask independently everybody's relationships but um my sisters, my and my siblings,
we are very close. Um, you have to have people, especially in the life that I live, who really deeply know you. And
so, in the morning time, every morning, I get up when I work out, call my sisters, you know, and talk about everything. My sister, my little sister
15 minutesright now, she's saving up like some extra money for her wedding. And so, she's actually helping me right now like sort through the tips box. So,
[laughter]
uh, we weren't close growing up, though.
Like I mean me and my sisters, we're a year each of us. We're a year and a half apart. So we just bludgeoned each other, you know, over everything pretty much.
Where you fall in the lineup? In the middle. Can't you tell?
[laughter]
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Um, what' you like to do?
I was always really into dance, coordinating dances. I was very sporty.
Um, I I think I took off through my mom in that way. My mother played basketball and cheerleed when she was in high school. She didn't finish high school.
My mother's a high school dropout. But um well, she got pregnant, but when she was a when she was in high school, she was very athletic and so I kind of took
after my mom in that way. So I I did cheerlead in high school. I did track and field. And I we moved into my grandfather's house when I was 8 years
old. My I was just like a granddaddy's girl. I was obsessed with my grandfather and he just was always doing stuff in
the backyard, you know, one of those old school guys. I think of my grandfather as having um like car grease on his
hands, you know, that's what makes me think of my granddad. Like car oil on his hands. his hands were always blackened and he always had a cloth and was wiping them and uh somehow always
had cash in his pocket and would you know give me and my sisters cash
[laughter]
and uh I was always just kind of fluffing around in the yard with my grandpa like in the woods doing stuff.
So my sisters and I were like cutting worms, climbing trees. I was definitely I would say a tomboy. I just liked to be
outside, which I can I think is very new to this generation and everything's behind a screen. But we were active. We were very active. Jump roping, bike
riding. Granddad taught me how to ride a bike. Remember the day it happened. Um [snorts] yeah, I I loved it being outside.
Why did you move in with your grandparents at age eight?
Because we were poor. [laughter] So my um Did your parents move in with you?
Yes. And it was the house was too small for all of us to fit into it, but we made it work. My grandfather came to the apartment that we were living in which
was in this really sort of dilapitated um building and it had roaches. I was
not uh a you're not aware of those things so much when you're a kid.
And so we just knew that every maybe it was once a month. I couldn't even tell you. Maybe it was less or more, but we'd have to sort of take all the pots and
pans out of the cabinets because the exterminator would have to come and spray because there was roaches, you know, and that's not my mother kept a
very clean apartment actually, but it it doesn't matter in those sorts of environments. You live like your neighbors live. And so my grandfather
just came and said, "I don't want my grandbabies growing up like this." because he worked really hard in his life starting in a sharecropping farm um
and ending where he did when my grandfather died. He went back and actually purchased the sharecropping farm in the south. That's where he retired.
Uh but he was living up up north at that time in Connecticut and they had a middle-ass house and he just said, "I don't want my grandbabies to grow up like this." So, we moved into their
house and my sister and I lived in the attic, you know, kind of he put carpet down in the attic and turned it into a room, which I thought was so cool
because I used to love the show Hey Arnold and Hey Arnold had like an attic, too. It's very, very good show. And um
my grand my mother and father were in the basement, so we just had to just kind of all fit in the house. And it was the best
thing I think that could have happened for my life. It's the single greatest thing that probably changed my life was moving in with my grandparents and sort
of being under my grandfather's um patriarchy, if you will. Is he still alive?
No, my granddad passed a couple of years ago. It's really hard. Has he seen the rise of Candace?
Yeah, granddad. There was one of these really viral moments uh where I went to go testify at Congress and um my
granddad was in the behind me. It's a It's a great clip. And when Tedlu says something, I don't know what he I
think he played a clip of me uh and tried to apply it, but I supported Adolf Hitler or something. And you see my granddad in the back. He's like, "No, she did not say that." Like, "No, she
did not say that." [laughter] And I was like, "Granddad was going to get up and give Tedl a beatd down. You don't talk. Nobody talks to his grandbaby like that.
Tedloo, calm down."
[laughter]
And it's such a um I'm so happy that that was captured actually on camera because shortly after that uh his mind started to go and his memory started to
go. I mean and so it's just one of those last memories that I have of my granddad. He was always behind me whether it was teaching me how to ride a
bike and letting go or like behind me at you know in Congress. I just like my grandparents were just absolutely amazing.
Wow. What would you say to him if he were here today? I got to say everything I I needed to say to my granddad, you know. That's good. Good for you.
Yeah. Cuz my grandmother died unexpectedly and so I made a very conscious decision to slow down and make sure that I got to say everything to my granddad. He knows how much I loved him.
Good for you. Yeah.
So, you're with your grandparents all the way through high school until 10th grade and then we kind of moved into a condo. But I mean all of my
formative years are with my grandparents always being around and yeah it was it was uh
we wake up in the morning, granddad made breakfast, you know, my grandmother would make dinner and it was my grandfather just had a lot of rules for
us to follow because he grew up in the south and it was just like very structured and my work ethic comes from my grandfather without question.
had a job since he was 5 years old like laying out tobacco to dry on a sharecropping farm. So he just got after the day every day.
Wow. Wow.
[clears throat]
How old were you when your parents got divorced? 23. Oh, 23.
They got I mean my mom and my dad were just one of those couples that 23. Yeah. 23.
How long were they married? Oh gosh. I mean, they got married in 93. So, they got married after I was born.
And then they just were like, there was just a lot of fighting. You know, it wasn't it wasn't one of those good relationships. And then when we were all
out of the house, they called and said they were getting a divorce. And at that at that point, I remember saying to my dad, "No, no, no, no. Now you guys should stay together. Now, now it should
23 minutesbe until death do you part. Now, now that we're out of the house, you're you're [laughter] going to separate. I remember exactly where I was walking,
exactly which street I was walking on in uh New York State when I got the call.
And yeah, they um it's it's it was an interesting thing because I got to see in my house two totally different
examples of how to live. My grandparents were very conservative and they my grandfather met my grandmother when he
was 17 and they stayed married until her dying day. And then I had the opposite example where the generation beneath my
grandparents, despite how they had raised them, they were just so different. Like all of my dad's siblings had been divorced and this it was a new culture. And I remember when granddad
got sick um or started getting sick, I was helping him uh fix up his house and we talked about it and I was like, how
how do how do people who are raised in so conservatively kind of have I guess more liberal viewpoints on marriage? And my granddad said something and he was
right. It's just the way he delivered it which is so funny. But he just said you know it was those darn hippies. He just
says the hipp the hippies ruined everything.
And there's it's a valid point. You I've done some research and I'm like, granddad was right. They kind of brought in this sort of sex, love, rock and
roll, love who you love. Everything became so much more uh temporal, I guess. And I am just so my grandfather's
child. Like my viewpoint, I'm I'm going backward. Everybody wants to be progressive. I'm like, I want to be regressive. I want to I want some of that stuff that granddad had.
What did you want to be as a child? What did you want to become occupational? What was the first thing I wanted to be? An archaeologist. An archaeologist.
Chapter 3: Defamation Lawsuit & Speaking Out
Yes. I was really into like as soon as I learned about Egypt, I had this weird fascination with Egypt and just I don't
know just I remember in third grade wanting to be like when I grew up I want to be an archaeologist. That was my first thing I can remember wanting to
be. And then you'll probably say appropriately I then was convinced I was going to be a lawyer. I wanted to be a lawyer. [laughter] Definitely say that.
And I would have made a really good lawyer. You still would. [laughter] It's never too late. It would probably come in handy for you.
It would. I actually kind of feel like I am a lawyer in many ways. I get sued so much and I really enjoy talking to my lawyer. He's just become such a friend
and understanding it. I love to read the documents. I mean, other people getting sued. I made a whole series on the Blake
Lively series. I do have a a love for legal work, but I don't have to be sued
to love it. I have to get that straight in my mind. You don't have to be sued to appreciate law. Um, but yeah.
How many times do you think you've been sued?
Too many. Like I mean
[sighs]
in the last few years it's been a lot, man. It's been like I feel like the Daily Wire was like three episodes that
26 minuteshappened which felt like a lot. And then I have obviously the Breijit one which was a lot. And then I got pulled into the Blake Lively one, which isn't really
like being involved. And then they tried to pull me into some Kanye one, not being the person who was sued, but um yeah. So I just kind of got familiar
with the people that were serving the paperwork. They're great guys, by the way. The the servers, they're fantastic.
They show up in like motorcycles like, "We love you." Like, you know, and we're going to charge the other guys more.
They're amazing. They're they're absolutely amazing. And then this Brian Harpole one, which I'm I'm being sued because of your show, you know. my show.
Yeah. You know, I should sue you. He Brian's a lawyer. [laughter] I'm going to drag you into my lawsuit.
We have a We have a We have a running Every time the FedEx truck drives around here, we're like, "Oh, [ __ ] Here it comes. [laughter] I don't even open them anymore. I just
send them to So funny." Yeah. You know, um Yeah. Yeah. Well, when Brian Harpole sued me, his lawyer wrote this amazing story which was just
made entirely no sense where he said that the reason basically they were trying to make the argument he's not a public figure which is very important.
You have to establish in defamation are you a public figure or are you a private person and obviously he made himself a public figure by going on this podcast and interjecting himself into this
Charlie narrative. So they were trying to argue that he's not a public figure and he basically said he was forced to become a public figure because of me is
the like I'm the reason he went on the he had to go on the Sean Ryan show to clear his name and I never covered him on my show once. Never spoke his name on
my show before he went on your show cuz it was so hold on. He's claiming he came here because to counter your narrative. Yeah.
And but you weren't talking about him.
never said one word about him or the security apparatus because I knew them and my mind just wasn't there at all until he did your interview and it
was so disastrous in my view and I think also the view of all the people who watched it according to the comments there was just something off about it
and I went whoa he's answering questions weird the stuff that he's saying doesn't really make sense but that's their argument they're trying to make because
they're trying to get the court to see him as a private figure who only had to come out and do the Shawn Ryan show, the biggest one of the biggest podcasts in the world, defend himself against me.
And I'm like, well, that's going to be a tricky argument considering I never spoke about you ever on my show until you did the show. But wait a minute, what is what exactly?
He's what is he suing you for?
Uh, defamation, which is difficult for me to comprehend because it's it's so in the category of opinion. in like the
first three pages of a lawsuit, he's just kind of calling me an anti-semite.
And I don't know what that has to do with the lawsuit at all. He's not Jewish, last I checked. Uh neither was Charlie Kirk. But he then moves on by
saying that I defamed him because I said that the security team was incompetent.
And so he's blaming me for a loss of revenue to his business because I said he's incompetent. Now, I would generally
say if you have a business and your job is to provide security and your client dies on the job, that might be the reason you're not getting many clients.
I look, I'm not I'm not saying I'm a genius, but I don't think people will be lining up to hire the same security
people that guarded Charlie Kirk on September 10th. But he thinks it's actually because of me calling him among
any among many other things, calling him incompetent, asking questions about why they didn't have people on the rooftop that day, saying that like the support
they supplied to Charlie's neck was inadequate. I mean, just things that you can see with your own eyes as they're handing him to the car. How they're like holding him to the car. Him saying on
your show that they didn't provide CPR because he had to stop the bleeding. I have questions about that. If your heart stops, what's it matter if you stop the
bleeding? So, I'm going to stand by my assessment that he was incompetent. And then the second chunk of his lawsuit is
his um saying that I guess he defamation per se might be his argument because I
asked about whether he was at Fort Wuga because somebody believes they saw him at Fort Wuka on the 9th. But he admits
in a lawsuit that I texted him uh four times asking him just to say yes or no so I could just, you know, very quickly
say, "Oh, I reached out to him. He said it wasn't him." [snorts] But his reason for why he didn't answer me despite me trying to just get an answer and why he
decided to just instead sue me uh was because what was his bizarre legal reason for why he just didn't answer any
of my questions? I think he said because oh he didn't want me to get famous off of him. I I promise you this is his argument is that the reason he didn't
answer he didn't want you to get famous off of him that I was just gonna use it for clicks.
So if he had answered me and said no I'm I wasn't at Fort Wuka then I would have used it for clicks and he didn't want me
to use him for clicks. So that's the that is the thrust of the lawsuit.
So what does he want? Does he suing you for money? I think yeah, they he wants money and to be determined by a jury because his business has been affected.
So, this shit's actually going to court.
Oh, yeah. Which I'm really okay with because a lot of the questions that we're just trying to get answered, we can now force him to answer them and bring other people in too to sit down
for deposition. So, do you have a court date?
Uh, not yet cuz we still have to uh I think our Actually, don't quote me on that. I have to check in with my lawyers. We might have like I think we
have something coming up where we Oh, we have to file a response in like the next coming weeks or something. Where will the law where will it happen? Here.
Here in Nashville. Yeah.
Yeah. He's got to sue me here. This is where I defamed him apparently. So, I didn't know. Did he tell you he was like really felt like he had to do the show because of me? It's very strange.
We didn't I didn't get that.
Yeah. It would have been weird cuz I never talked about him.
[laughter]
Hey, can I come on because of Candace not talking about me? It's weird. It's totally wacky. It feels like a PR move to me to be honest with you. But
um You think it'll go the distance or you think they'll just drop suit?
I I think they filed it in such a sloppy manner that they're hoping the court drops it and then they can say, "Well, we tried. We were telling the truth."
And there is a lot of that in the court system where people file for PR reasons.
I mean, Breijie is a perfect example of that. uh where you're doing something that you kind of know you can't win in court, but it allows you to then say,
"Well, we really tried and obviously we must have been telling the truth or we wouldn't have sued." And that's not the case. I I have not changed my mind about
Brian Harpole, and I was very thorough in trying to just get him to give me a response. Like, I would have happily taken a response from him,
and he still hasn't offered one. He just sued me. Do they have any other clients?
I don't know. He hasn't uh since it was just the initial filing, we haven't gotten into the details of who's not booking him or if someone dropped him.
But that would just to me seem like common sense, especially when you say I mean, if you watched his interview with you, you wouldn't book him, you know, just the presentation.
I mean, I'm just curious.
Yeah. I I What did the defamation do? Is he still working for TPSU?
He's not. My understanding is he's not still working for Turning Point USA. And I did hear through the grapevine that they sent him a cease and and desist
after all of the flak that he got for his various appearances, things that he was saying that was just making things
worse because he doesn't sound honest when he speaks. He's not clear. And he's also dishonest. I mean, he said even
when I was watching your show, and that was one of the reasons we covered it was because we instantly learned he presented those messages when you asked
him about the rooftop. He shows these messages and then he says, "What am I supposed to do with that?" You know, the implication being that this is a
conversation he was having, but it wasn't. He was showing you Dan Flood's text messages. So that was strange and
dishonest and yeah I and he they were also the discussion wasn't even about
Losi center. The discussion was about the walkway above Charlie. So it seemed
like even when he was on the show he was focused on PR but he just wasn't very convincing. And that's literally in a
lawsuit that I described him as not very convincing. And that's defamatory.
That's defamatory [snorts] and I stand by it. He wasn't very convincing.
Yeah, I probably should have pressed him more. I just I [ __ ] felt bad though.
I mean, it was still really fresh and the guy's tearing I I I just I would when I've been around a lot of loss, you
know, in my previous career and so I didn't want to I wanted to be respectful, you know what I mean? But
yeah, I I think you did the right thing actually because even though the viewers might feel frustration, the reality is
is that if you had put him under the light, so to speak, he would have clammed up. Mhm.
And we benefited a lot from him just speaking. I'm still benefiting from him just speaking and other parts of that conversation that are being pulled and
discussed. Certainly for my lawsuit's sake, it's [laughter] beneficial that he kept describing um things in detail. So,
I think it was good to sort of let him talk.
What are what are some of the other gems that you pulled out of my interview with Brian Harpool?
I mean, there's I think at at some point I think it was your interview, it might have been
someone else's where he said that he when he got to the hospital and he's like directing the staff or whatever and
he like said that he cut off Charlie's shirt. I mean, that's just that's fantasy. That's full fantasy. That's not how that happens. Everybody knows that.
when you get to the ER and somebody is on a stretcher, some random guy who's bringing the person in doesn't start calling the shots in the hospital. So,
there's a lot of questions about what took place at the hospital, why Cash Patel moved to have the cameras um as one of the first acts get to get the cameras down inside of the hospital.
That's very strange. Um the varying stories uh that they've all told about what took place, why they were all then
wearing scrubs. Frank Turk saying that the he was on the phone the whole time
with and didn't realize with his um who's Frank Turk?
Frank Turk was another one of the people that was in the car. Okay.
And he former military. He was there and jumped in the car with them. By the way, that's even weird. I don't know why he
jumped in the car with them to be to be honest with you. and he was at the hospital and he tells conflicting stories and says that they did perform CPR.
It's all just very strange. It just seems like something like why why are all of your stories running into each other?
What how are those running into each other? What did they say?
Well, some people are saying they did give him CPR, some are saying they didn't.
Brian said they did not perform CPR because they were focused on stopping the bleeding. Frank said that they did
perform CPR. Ryan said that Frank was just in the back seat praying. Uh Frank said that he got involved, which is the
reason why he had all the blood on on him or whatever.
So, the discrepancy between the people that are in the car doesn't really make sense.
I mean, I don't know. Do you do you give CPR to somebody that's been shot in the [ __ ] neck?
Well, you if you don't keep someone's heart going, it doesn't matter, right?
Like, nothing else matters if your heart stops pumping. So, yeah, you would give CPR. I would imagine you keep CPR going
at all times. I'm I'm certainly not a medical professional, but I do know that like if your heart stops, you're dead.
[laughter] So, you got to keep the heart going. And them not having the ambulance on standby.
I'm not standing up for him. I don't know if that's I don't know if you would do CPR.
What would be the point of, you know, if your heart's not going, your heart's not going. And I'm not even saying, and by the way, I'm not even saying that
um what was right or what was wrong to do.
Saying the stories are I'm saying the stories are not consistent. And that's what has been so troublesome for people that are investigating this. It's why do you guys
all have different stories? Why are there so many lies that have since been unpacked that and initially they said a lot in the beginning and they've since, you know, pivoted on their stories quite a bit.
Chapter 4: Crime Scene Questions & Investigation
Why do you think that they repaved that thing? What? How many days afterwards?
Because by Sunday, they had a person coming in on a Sunday. So Charlie got shot at 12:23 on a Wednesday and they
had early morning on Sunday papa come in. And even before then, they had the soil removed by a separate group of people. They had the soil removed.
The soil removed first. 10 in of soil removed first.
Do they do that at any other murder scene anywhere? Absolutely not.
The soil removed. Why the [ __ ] would they have the soil?
Well, their excuse is we were putting down papavers. So, it is normal to remove soil to put down papavers. Uh but why were you putting down pavers? Why were you paving over the crime scene?
And in that scenario, I think you normally do from somebody that is in that space said that about 8 in you would remove so that you can install the
pavers. They removed 10 in of soil and they had two separate people do it. So they had people working for the government that removed the 10 inches of
soil and then the next day the pavers came in and put in the pavers. That's not normal. You have the same group of people that do both. So they they wanted
they had the dirt removed first and so we'd have to imagine that that happened Saturday the latest, right? And because
then by Sunday morning, the guy who had to put together a rag tag team to do the paving, he did an interview and spoke
about it and said he was told that the instructions were coming down from the governor of Utah and Cash Mattel's
40 minutesoffice probably.
I'm, you know, I've taken a long time to get to a place where I wanted to put forth a theory on what happened that
day. I think there is a lot of evidence that they would have found explosives,
which um if I [snorts] guess the way uh PETN is said is like what do you guys say? Pent patent.
Pton. I'm trying to learn all the inside terms and sound like I know what I'm talking about on on all the military guy stuff. But if if uh Pton was the
explosive that was used and I think there is a strong a strong theory that should be explored um that a shape charge was used to kill him and that
what killed him was on him. Um I if you look into pent it is pretty resistant.
It stays on soil. It there you can read tons of articles about it. It's you just have to remove the soil.
41 minutesSo you think that they I think there was explosives. I think that explains as I was unpacking on my show a lot of the holes in the story that didn't make sense. If you run the
theory that he was killed with a PE pet shape charge, then they all suddenly start to make
sense why they wouldn't bring the bomb dogs over to where Charlie died.
See, we almost we I can't I can't remember what this guy name his name is, but my editor, you were just chatting with him. He brought it to my attention.
He was chatting with this guy right after it happened. So, I guess almost a year ago and
once I just never know what to so many [ __ ] people are trying to get clicks and [ __ ] you know what I mean? That I I'm like I don't think it adds up.
And he he would describe, you know, how it how it was going to work or how it was supposedly worked and yeah, it was shape charge inside the microphone, right?
Mhm. Yeah.
And they had all these videos that show the blast and everything, but I I I don't know what's AI and what isn't. I don't [ __ ] believe anything. Unless
it's literally right in front of my face, then I still don't believe most of it. But but to have a the thing that
really got me was to have a microphone on a loose shirt when he's up in a chair like moving around, it just mic on the inside, by the way.
Mic on the inside.
Yeah, the mic is on the microphone, which is totally senseless.
Wait, was it taped to his chest? What you see on the outside is the the magnet that's holding the mic that's on the inside which like any person who mics you know
noses you don't put the mic on the inside because you get the sound and they were putting it on the inside like you you might do that if it's a super windy day or cold day to avoid
I thought it was a [ __ ] new DJI mic that everybody's using.
No, it's a road mic. A road mic pro. So that's just the metal uh that's just the magnetic clasp that's on the outside coated on the inside
which they started doing it. It was a new thing for it was just a new thing that they were doing. And so um how long have you been tracking this?
43 minutesHow long had I been tracking microphone thing?
I actually So I always tried to approach things with just what do I observe with my own eyes. And when I brought myself
to being able to watch the footage of Charlie dying, the first thing I thought was that he was shot from below because I watched his shirt go out and I it was
I watched the friction of his body and I saw that his necklace broke before he was hit. I thought I always thought that was so strange. I was like somebody
explain to me why if someone shot him from above his necklace would break first and whip this way. his necklace
whips this way and then he gets hit and then he he and I was like so I just in my head and I was assuming that it was a
gun was like I think someone was under him like that's the only thing that would explain his shirt doing whatever
and then I saw John Bray is who you're referring to he was online and he was talking about this explosive and um I
saw that and I was like in my head with my limited knowledge on what he was speaking about I I went, "Oh, well, it's not going to be explosive." Because then if it was a bomb, Charlie would have
been burned and charred. And I knew that his body was not burned and charred. And so I but I I kept following him. And
what happened was we got exclusively the car photos, the car that transported Charlie to the
hospital, what that car looked like, which they tried very quickly to get rid of that car. They towed it um had it sent for like to be cleaned and resold,
which is also an absolute nonsense. that car would have been put into evidence.
But when I saw the car pics, first thing I said was, "Oh, that's so weird." Like, "Well, why is there black glass on the floor?" Right away, just like a ton of
like black what looked to my eye as glass shards in the floor. And John Bray messaged me and he said on X, he said,
"I just watched her episode. That's exactly what I was looking for to support my theory." And then I said, "What do you mean?" and he said, "I've
45 minutesbeen saying that his road mic was rigged, but in order for my theory to be true, the road mic would have had to explode into a million pieces, and that would have been on Charlie, and they
would have had to get that off of him in the car." And so I went, "Well, I have I have the car photos." And there's very
clearly now to play devil's advocate, as I always try to do, could it could have been somebody's sunglasses they stepped on that broke into a million. And it
looks it's a lot of glass. It's in the seat that Charlie was on. It's behind it's I mean hard plastic 80 80 I think
it's called ABS plastic and if you watch videos people just smashing a road mic that's exactly what it looks like is littered all over the floor. So now we
have to say why did his necklace break first, then his road mic break second.
And we're looking at a now we're looking at a trajectory, right? Before he gets hit and you do see it move across like if you watch the video again without
trying to be an expert, if you just sometimes look at a video and say, "What do you see?" Slow it down. What do you observe happening? And that is what you observe. you observe something moving
across his chest and then suddenly you see a wound here and that was my starting point. And so I
never bought uh the idea that he was on somebody shot him from a lossy rooftop.
That made no sense to me that nobody saw him shoot him is even crazier to me.
This is a college campus in the middle of the day. Somebody would have seen him take a shot. And so then what added to
me thinking this is now very plausible was the 306 superneck
Superman neck. You know now you're asking us to be idiots.
Mhm. Now, now the demand is for us to be idiots. And they did it in such an emotionally manipulative, despicable
way, which has now become the turning point way, which is to just say God, the Lord, the miracle, the And if you don't
47 minutesbelieve in it, then you don't believe in God. And you're not honoring God if you don't believe in the miracle of this.
This was the biggest lie that Erica told me and completely transformed my opinion
of her. Um, I think, you know, I sat down with her for . I was reticent to explore any conspiracies
about her. I was slow to do it because first and foremost, she's the mother of Charlie's kids. That that's first and
foremost. Secondly, it required me to have to go through a second stage of grief that I was not ready to do. I had a very hard time with Charlie's death.
Still do. Um, but to be the person that Charlie was speaking to so much about
how much he wanted love to when I had to take time off um, and just go to Wyoming and try to get my head right after it. I
read through all of our messages, you know, and so I had I relived it all. And cuz you just, you know, I was in a phase of denial. I was really at that phase
where I was hoping and I went through bargaining. I went through anger. I went through a very aggressive stage of denial. And I think my husband was
realizing that I needed to get away at that point because I was trying to say like, "No, maybe he's really alive." You know, maybe they put him in witness protection. Like that's that bargaining.
Mhm.
And then also the denial that's just in my face. And um [snorts] when I got out there and I was reading the messages and uh before she came into
his life and Charlie just really really really wanted love, right? He that was like it. And it
was almost like poetic the stuff that he was writing about how how love could kind of make men move mountains.
And so for me to have to mourn him and then have to consider that the thing that he wanted
most like he didn't get it. It just gutted me. It It gutted me. And so but I couldn't deny it anymore. I couldn't
49 minutesdeny it. And it was beyond intuition. It was beyond her being weird. It was beyond her being at the office. And then I got the
um the Zoom calls. My assumption was that she was grieving like I was. And my assumption I didn't know she was in the
office the next week. As soon as she got back, she just went straight to the office. And she was in the office the next week.
Yep. As soon as she gave that speech at the podium that you saw where she addressed the nation, not the I forgive him speech, but like the first
one that was like after he died. She was in the office that whole week.
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Dude, I'll be honest. I tuned when I saw the the funeral. Is that what we're calling it?
Like posting Instagram stories or whatever it was of her like rubbing his dead body. I would that I was like, "What the [ __ ] is
this, dude? What is that?" Yep. And you're using your dead husband as a [ __ ] social media post.
And beyond that, and again me ignoring it, ignoring all of it, and then it was just actually on the day that your husband
gets shot, you didn't have a single one of your family members go with you. That one family member or friend went with Erica to Utah.
Wow.
She went with the person that's holding her in the photo when his body is coming off Air Force One. Could you imagine not having your mom, your brother, your sister, your cousin, your best friend, I
don't know, like your A1 since day one from high school with you when that goes down. No, she was every in one every single one of those videos, she's with
the head fundraiser of Turning Point USA. The person holding her, hugging her, crying, that's Stacy Sheridan.
She's a chief fundraiser. Stacy Sheridan is the one recording her while she's in the casket.
No one can make that make sense. You you cannot tell me a thousand times that you would not have a family member, a cousin, a brother, somebody other than just all turning point people.
And mind you, the vice president is offering to fly over whoever you want.
So this isn't like, oh, I we couldn't get to Utah. Like your family will crawl over glass to get to you. You go through something like that.
And she didn't have anybody, not her aunts, not nobody. just Stacy Sheridan recording all of those private moments.

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And again, those were the things. I mean, I think I just assumed that her family was there. I assumed cuz Charlie's family was there, his sister was there, mother, his mother was there,
his brother was there. I mean, his um uh mother and father were there. She just had Mama Stacy, as I call it, which is the woman who's all about raising money.
And when did you guys get so close? You you don't need anybody else for emotional support here. And so, you're correct. that was that was intentionally
recorded for us to um raise money at the end of the day.
But the lie that she told that I couldn't get over was when she lied about
the 30 six and she what did she lie about that? What did she say? So, what we thought happened,
Chapter 5: Missing Evidence
and this is I I think I single-handedly ruined the plan, so to speak, but what
happened was I my eyes when I was watching the event as someone who had gone on tour with Charlie every single
year since 2018, 2017. So, 17, 18, 19, 2020, 20 up until 2024, which is the first time they started doing this
double mic thing on him, right? The fall of 2024. as I'm going, why is Terrell there? It's the first thing I I drew my
eye. It was like, why is the head of audiovisisual here? He doesn't come on campus events. This is new. And then I see that he's taking the camera down.
And I'm like, that's weird. And the internet's going crazy about this. So, I'm like, well, Terrell's been there for 12 years, long, maybe longer. I know.
I'm just going to call him and ask him what's up. Like, maybe there's a reason.
And I assumed he was going to say something like, you know, the police asked me to. I don't know.
You wanted to see the footage. Instead, he was the first person that made me realize something was very wrong because he was very nervous on the phone. I asked him if I could see the back
footage just to like clarify with people like looking out for you, Tarl. I can tell them what's going on and his energy
was just completely wrong. He came up with a million excuses why I couldn't see the back footage. He told me he didn't know how to send a file. I'm like, Carol, you run an audiovisisual company. You know how to send a file.
Then he told me, "Oh yeah, I do know how to send a file, but I um I really didn't I I'm afraid Google's going to hack me if I send it." And I said, "Google's
going to hack you if you send me the file of the back footage." And I didn't accept that, obviously. And then he said, "Well, I grabbed the camera for
Erica so that she wouldn't have to relive her husband dying over and over again." And I said, "His death was live streamed. Everyone saw Charlie die." Mhm.
The back footage is not like that's not going to be anything. So, I knew something was wrong with the back footage. And I kept pressing him for two days. And finally he said, "Well, I'll
I'll face record I'll FaceTime you and show you it." And I hit record on the face. I just didn't know, just my instincts. And
someone on my team was like, "You should record this." And I recorded it. And the first thing I thought that was so strange was there was no blood. The
bullet didn't go through. There was no blood. Charlie's shirt was crisp white from the moment he went down. And I
went, "That's odd." So I at that moment recorded it, had it, hung up with him,
told my audience what I saw, and there was apparently mass panic, which I now know how the full story went. This was
the day of Charlie's actual funeral, not the WWE memorial event, but the actual funeral, which was the night before. And
they panicked that I had seen the footage. and somebody at the FBI called Turning Point and asked explicitly to
Justin Strife whether or not I had recorded it. At that point, Justin Strife, who is the uh COO of Turning
Point USA, messaged my husband, called my husband and wanted to know whether or not I had recorded it. And my husband has no idea what he's talking about. My
he's not he's like he's like he runs the business. He's like, "I don't know what you're talking about." He then comes out to me. He's like, "Justin Strife keeps asking if you recorded this footage. was
he talking about? And instantly in my mind, I said, "That's a really weird question. Why does it matter? Why does it matter if I recorded the footage?"
And I said, "Don't answer him. I'll deal with it." And then what happened on the This is all happening on the day of Charlie's
actual funeral. No one should be caring about back footage, anything. Why is the FBI calling? What then happened was Erica peeled off from Charlie's actual
funeral, his wife, and she called the surgeon with Andrew Kovette on the phone, a three-way call. And the story
that Andrew would then write cuz then he tweeted on the day of Charlie's funeral and said, "People want to know why there was, you know, no blood." And then the
surgeon says that it was a miracle. And you remember this this ridiculous tweet.
Charlie ate really healthy and this it normally it would have taken down a moose, but he really was the man of
steel and this is like a modern-day Christian miracle. I mean, total slop for the masses. And everyone then went,
"What the f? It didn't go through. Like, you're confirming this didn't go through. Something's wrong here." Right?
When I asked Erica about this, and I didn't know about this thing that happened at the funeral, um, I asked her, "Why did Andrew send this tweet?"
And she said to me, "He went rogue." I didn't know he sent the tweet.
I said, "Andrew, Andrew went rogue." And she said, "Call the surgeon." I said, "The surgeon spoke to Andrew without your permission." And
she said, "Yeah." I said, "So, the surgeon to the highest profile assassination
since JFK, violated HIPPA, went rogue, spoke to some random PR guy he doesn't know, who also went rogue." And then at
the conclusion of this conversation, Andrew tweeted something without your permission, and went rogue again. And she said, "Yeah." Then I got the information that she
completely lied. That How'd you figure that out?
A source that she was the one who initiated the phone call. and Andrew was on it and that the surgeon never said that what
was put on on online. In fact, that's largely embarrassing to a surgeon because you're saying he violated HIPPA, right? And he's an idiot. Like, he's an idiot. Like, it's a modern-day miracle.
Not only that, but it's not the surgeon's job. So, what happened was she said to the surgeon allegedly, "How can
we explain to people that the, you know, the authority got six didn't go through?" And the surgeon doesn't know anything about whether six. He's he is a
hunter. He hunts and he said, "I don't know." Like, you know, maybe it was a frangible bullet or something. I don't I have no idea. And he's going off of them
saying it was a 30 odd six. And at that point, Erica offered an explanation. And she said, "Well, my baby, you know, he
ate so healthy and I'm sure it's like he had a man of steel neck because he ate so healthy." How the So, wasn't there a picture of
Robinson standing at a Dairy Queen right in front of a poster that said Man of Steel? Yeah. Which actually was in theaters.
And so that was like weird. But Erica is that that quotation and that explanation came from Erica as she was trying to pull an excuse out of the surgeon which
somehow got elevated to the number one priority on the day of her husband's actual funeral.
They were stressed out that the the public had learned that the bullet didn't go through. Why would you be stressed out about that?
I would be mourning my wife or who who my significant other, you know. I wouldn't be trying.
So, what what do you what what what is what do you think is going on?
I mean, who is Tyler Robinson? What the [ __ ] was he doing there? What do you think is behind this? I don't think Tyler Robinson was there.
You don't think he was there?
I think he's a total psy. I think they get lookalikes and they got everybody wearing the same outfit. I think he played a role and I believe that what he
did was he picked up clothes and he dumped them behind the the Dairy Queen.
I think he had a role, but I do not believe that Tyler Robinson is the person who was walking in that staircase. I do not believe the person
walking in the staircase was even the person that we saw running off of the roof. I don't even know what day that person was running off the roof because
there are there's only one eyewitness to him having been on the roof and the
person who says that he saw him crouching low, the person that shared the video of the guy on the roof and was like, "Look up here. Somebody just got
up there." I spoke to that individual and he never saw a shot fired. Never said that he saw a shot fired. knows
about weapons and finds it really unusual that the prosecution hasn't reached out to him.
So, I I don't know what happened. I just know what didn't happen. And I feel
confident stating that Tyler Robinson did not kill murder Charlie Kirk.
Whether or not he was an accessory to the crime, do I believe he was at Dairy Queen dropping off clothes? Yeah. How did he get mixed up in that? I don't know.
Maybe he was blackmailed.
Maybe he got into involved in some weird stuff online. That's the easiest way for the feds to blackmail someone. I think his roommate is a federal asset. Lance Twigs.
The person. Why do you think that?
Because the police didn't even question him, which is bonkers. Yeah. Lance Twigs. I spoke to Lance Twigs,
his family, and they think he's involved, and they don't understand why the police just sat him down for a few hours and let him go.
And they said he has he's involved in a lot of bad stuff. Um they he lived with them for a little bit that he's into,
you know, weird categories of pornography as well. And so they were shocked that the police just had never
had any interest in Lance Twigs and he is crucial to the story that they're trying to tell as the roommate. Uh if you're dating, if they are in a gay
relationship and you're dating him, you would have access to his guns. You would have access to you could easily set up somebody that you're dating. And
that's what my my gut tells me is Lance Twigs was a federal asset. Is a federal asset.
[ __ ] Who was the guy? Wasn't there a guy that said he did it that was also at 911 or something? Oh, I call him decoy boy number one.
George Zin. What the [ __ ] is that?
So, George Zin instantly gets up, says he did it, his pants fall, and people are recording him and it creates, I
guess, just a bit of a distraction. What I have on authority from the hospital that he went to after he he went to the
hospital to get treated for some mild injuries is that he told the nurses that he was paid to do it, but he didn't know where the money was coming from.
And this guy was also in New York when 9/11 happened.
I don't know if he was in New York or but he has he he has some story about 911. There's some weird connection. Some very weird connection. Yeah.
I don't know exactly what it is. I can't remember. No, you're correct. But that's what he told the nurses that day that he
was paid to do that. But he didn't know who exactly was paying him. Just said he was going to be paid for that.
Do you think he was killed because he was going against Israel to 1,000%.
Why% lots you you go against Israel? Why not you?
Well, I think why are you still here? I think if if Andrew Kovette is to believe be believed, you know, he told me it was supposed to be me, which was an
interesting thing to say. What Andrew Kovette said to me a few days after the assassination.
Um, and at the moment, I just took it as poorly expressed grief, you know, because I didn't find Andrew to be
suspicious because I just didn't, my mind wasn't there. But he said to me on the phone, it was supposed to be you verbatim.
Are you serious? But I thought that was just he was crying. I was crying. I thought he legitimately said it was supposed to be you.
It was supposed to be you.
So I have questions about that now given everything that happened in the leadup to that. I I think Charlie
I think Charlie knew something. I think the biggest question that has not been answered in all of this is what happened
at the Hampton's when BB Netany and Yahoo called. I don't know about this.
So, it was a couple of weeks before Charlie died.
Well, August 5th and 6th, he did a summit at Bill Aman's house where, you
know, Bill Aman was kind of hosting a bunch of pro-Israel people and Charlie was pressed on his view, his changing views and he was pressed by Seth Dylan.
um PE voices were raised and he wanted to know why he's not you
know why you can't criticize BB Netany and Yahoo and not be called anti-Semitic. There was a smaller dinner
that took place and Bill Aman Erica was present and BB Netanyahu called.
Now, what I was told directly from Andrew Colbeat, which Erica didn't know that my source was Andrew Coat on this, she was
surprised in person when I told her this, was that BB offered to take Turning Point USA to the next level. And Charlie said no.
In exchange for what?
Also, how does an organization that's pulling in 150 million a year, what is the next level? It's a lot of money. 100 million a year in exchange for what do
you think he in exchange for him pledging to preach free markets and capitalism.
So, at the moment that you refuse an offer from a man that deranged, that psychopathic,
that bloodthirsty, you that much power, you know something. You know, he obviously has
an enormous amount of influence over the current administration. Correct. I mean, an enormous amount of influence.
It's pretty [ __ ] obvious. I think everybody's seeing it.
In exchange for what? I'll take your company to the next level. Cool. What? In exchange for what?
I think it's a it's a it's a trillion dollar question.
And um Erica when I asked her about that and she admitted the BB Netany and Yahoo call
happened that she was there and she said oh he was just calling because Charlie had written him a letter in May and it's
just so stupid. So stupid. Oh, he's not busy. He just was calling to say hey toodles. Like just wanted to know how you're doing. I saw your letter. Thanks for it. He he was I said that's it.
Okay. So, I'm supposed to believe Andrew lied about that, that he offered to take it to the next level and she was coming to say, "No, that that didn't happen. He just wanted
to just check in with Charlie." That's not true. She's lying. And I know she's lying because then somebody in Andrew
Kett's family orbit reached out to me and said that that definitively happened because Andrew said that when Charlie said no, he lost millions.
Andrew Kovat lost millions when Charlie said no.
Now you wonder, how does a PR guy lose millions? He's a spokesperson for Turning Point USA. And then I had to remind myself that he owns a piece of Charlie, the Charlie Kirk show, right?
So I don't know if it was going to be via the Charlie Kirk show, which was at
that moment with Salem. Salem has recently filed uh you know, under Farra.
They're working with that um uh faith by works and the whole thing. in Salem is a part of that filing. So, they are
effectively foreign agents. I don't know how it that money was going to come in.
9 minutesThat's another question that if we had any real journalists, they would be exploring that. But, um yeah, BB
Netanyahu calling and Charlie not just refusing it, but he had
anger towards BB. He did. And [snorts] how do you know? Because char BB Netanyahu that month did a ton of shows.
Very strange by the way that a prime minister of Israel was suddenly hitting the orbit. It doing PR.
He did a ton of shows. I mean Patrick Bet David show, Brandon Tatum's show. Uh and he hadn't before that done any sort
of podcasting since he was like hawking his book, you know, like years ago.
He didn't do Charlie Kirk's show because Charlie didn't want to have him on.
Again, something told to me as a fact by Andrew Kovat. Charlie refused to have BB Netanyahu on a show. So, if you want to know how Charlie was feeling about
Israel and BB Netanyahu, there's your answer.
How people couldn't see the Israel threat in this doesn't make any sense to me.
I can't I can't believe he said it was supposed to be you. He did. Does that scare you?
Chapter 6: Charlie Kirk's Legacy
I mean, you seem fearless.
I We're all here for a blip. And I think it's not about not having any fears. It's about what scares me more, right?
What scares me more is considering the world that our children
will inherit if we stay quiet. Cuz we feel it right now. We feel the squeeze. We feel the evil. We feel the cloud.
It's there. And you have a bunch of people who whether it's for money or for fear are allowing it to happen. And
there are so many historical lessons about what can happen to a country when
good men do nothing. And so what scares me is thinking about what what's going to be like in America when my children
are my age. because I was too scared to say something when Charlie Kirk was
publicly assassinated and the most powerful people in the country colluded to lie about it.
If Charlie Kirk was not safe in the United States of America, nobody is. Nobody is.
Do you feel this is your responsibility to figure out what happened and to keep the investigation going?
I don't know if it's like my I don't know if responsibility would be the word that I would use. I just
I just know that it's a part of my journey.
I know that it's not a coincidence um that Charlie kept telling me he was going to die young, that he had really
really deep visions about his death um in 2018.
Very specific visions about the fact that he was going to die young and that he knew that I would be the one to fight.
You know, there are things that we we don't understand. We're not meant to understand them, right? I but there is something that is moving me that feels
bigger than me. I know it matters. And when I read back those conversations and think about how I was like, "You
need to get some sleep. You're probably just tired. No, you're not going to die young." You know, my death is going to be tied to Turning Point USA. From the moment I signed on the dotted line, he
said he said he has the dream. He had the dreams repeatedly. What were the dreams?
That he was going to die young. that he was going to die in a very tragic way
and that his death would be tied to like saving the world, waking up the world about something.
And at the time, I just I didn't I mean, what do you say with that, right? What it'd be weird if I was like,
"Okay, sure. Give me the plan. What would you like me to do when you die young?" Like what was I going to say?
When I read it back, it's haunting. It haunts me. And it haunts me because now in the way that he was dreaming in 2018,
I have had the most vivid dreams since he's died. And I don't discount them. I I know there is just something
spiritually pulling me and guiding me in ways I don't really understand.
And so I I just I just give into that there. It's like he went out and I something awakened in me.
[sighs and snorts]
I mean, when you're talking about evil prevails when good men do nothing, do you think that I think about this all
the time, too. It's one of my favorite quotes. I feel it's part of me feels like it's a responsibility to do what I do just like you do, I think.
And but how much impact do you think you can really make?
You know, I try not to stop and measure my impact. I know that every day when I wake up and when I decide what I want to
cover, I am doing it out of a unique passion, a care and something is motivating me that is
real. And I think people respond to that and it's made a difference. Charlie is trending every day. He's trending every day. And that's not what they wanted.
They wanted everyone to stop talking about him the moment Erica and Trump hugged on stage at the memorial. And she said, "I forgive him." That was supposed to be the end.
That was so weird, too. It was weird. Everything was weird.
Everything has been strange. Um, most of all his wife. and
watching this this almost subhuman answer that they are trying to provide
which is well we have money we have power so just get in line like that's going to that's going to be
the cure here for all the skepticism is just to apply more money more influencers uh more attacks on the people who are
looking into it I mean turning point USA attacking Joe Kent. I like it's just for trying to investigate whether there
could have been any foreign ties. Think about how bizarre that is. Oh, I know.
And what's more bizarre is that they don't recognize it as bizarre when they do it. What's wrong with these people?
The social IQ there is something that disturbs me. their inability to understand that what they're doing is
going to register to the public as remarkably suspicious. Case in point, did no one tell you that you shouldn't
be on a Zoom call laughing about emojis 6 days after your husband got killed?
Someone does someone have to tell you that? What has been rinsed out of you that you don't recognize that there's something deeply wrong with that? To to
get onto a Zoom call 11 days after he's been assassinated and say, "We're moving on with Turning Point 2.0.
My husband is dead. Not to be morbid, but he's dead." That's that's acceptance.
Do you think that she had something to do with it? She was complicit. Or do you I mean, we were talking about this
earlier. I came here from Boca Raton, Florida. It's the shallowest [ __ ] place in the on the planet. You see
19-year-old girls with 76-y old men every single day playing tonsil hockey and more, you know, and that's just that's just what that place is.
Do you think it Do you think that maybe she when they met she was, you know, she just saw a paycheck and she's a
narcissist and had no feelings, no love, no nothing for him. just wanted to marry into a guy who's making $150 million a year.
Even if everything you just said was true, she was motivated by money to marry him. She didn't actually love him.
Let's even add that she hated him secretly, right? When someone dies like that, you still have a human reaction.
Mhm.
So, let's Who who would you say is his arch nemesis? Nick Fuentes. Okay.
He delivered a more impassioned response to what happened to Charlie than Charlie's wife did.
Even your worst even your worst enemy.
That's what I'm saying. Like forget remove all that. Even if it's your worst enemy in life. Mhm.
When someone dies like that, it stirs you cuz you're like, "Okay, I didn't really didn't like this guy, but like, man, I didn't want him to die like that,
you know? That's not that's not how I wanted I wanted to, you know, debate him. Mhm.
I was having fun hating him, whatever it is. Uh that we couldn't get that from his wife.
And when I go back, because I think I did suffer, my sister said to me, you know, right away she came down and I couldn't eat. And um she said to me,
"Can you need to recognize that when to watch somebody that you know die like that, it's like a brain trauma." Like I my brain was like trying and I'm sure
you understand this because military guys see deal with death I think a lot more than we do like traumatic death like this but it's it's like a brain
trauma is the only way you can describe it and so I was not even paying attention to certain things that I now see with very clear eyes like her speech
like you said at the memorial Erica actually doesn't really tell you anything about Charlie in that speech it's a speech that's laying the
groundwork for turning point 2.0 No, she tells you every time she speaks about Charlie, she actually tells you about how great she is, how much he loved her,
how he wrote her notes, how he wanted her to take over Turning Point USA. And she didn't write a speech. I learned that because they fired a bunch of people that she didn't write a speech.
Erica doesn't write her own speeches.
The idea of not writing the eulogy, and that's why we don't learn anything about him, that we
couldn't find on Wikipedia. There was there was there was no substance. There's no substance.
Who was Charlie outside of Turning Point USA? You can't find out in that speech.
All Charlie wanted was Turning Point USA 2.0. Turning Point. Turning Point. He cared about the students. He cared about looking after men like Tyler Robinson. I
forgive him. This is what Turning Point's all about. Turning Point.
Turning Point. Uh how many times they say turning point. I mean, even at her podium speech, and I felt weird about it the first time when she the afterwards, she said, "You want to help?
Here's what you can do. Go to turningpoint.com." Out of nowhere, an ad read the first time she addresses the nation. Go to turningpointusa.com.
Holy [ __ ] I I can't even like stomach the idea of being able to say something like that.


But her whole idea, this is what he wanted. He wanted your money to go to Turning Point USA. And then you can contrast it with um
Vanessa's speech, Vanessa Bryant's speech, and you see what a grieving widow looks like. And you listen to the story she
told. I I rewatched her speech and I couldn't get through it cuz I I loved Kobe. I loved Kobe Bryant and I loved
Kobe. Kobe on the court. I loved he was amazing at what he did. I love, but how weird if she had given a speech of like he dribbled every single day and what he
loved was the Lakers and if you want to support the Lakers and support my like no she said we didn't we didn't even know Kobe by the time you got get
through her speech you realize you didn't know Kobe I loved Kobe who he was in the court this is her husband and she
knew Kobe and she shared that with us in her eulogy of Vanessa Bryant like who he was as a father who he was what he like
who he was at home and you you realize there's no humanity in Erica's speech.
She doesn't want you to think of Charlie as anything other than a vehicle for Turning Point USA. And he was so much more than that. He was so much more than
that. Like, and um I think that's why in retrospect people watched my show and people like
Taylor Luren said, "Why do I feel like she tweeted, "Why do I feel like Can is the only one that actually cared about him?" I didn't even realize that when I
was just saying, you know, sharing all of those like little moments that I had with Charlie, that that was unique and that nobody was getting that from
anybody who worked with him. They were just trying to encourage you to donate to Turning Point USA. This is this is what he would have wanted you to do.
Holy [ __ ] He wasn't like, yes, yes, he loved building and he loved politics and all
those things, but the actual Charlie was um he was just so funny. Like I mean, just like the fact that they didn't tell you who Charlie was and how he was
really good at voices and like he could mimic anybody's voice and he was just he just had the best sense of humor. He
really did. And everything was just left on the table.
They didn't care. It was all about building what Erica was gonna step into.
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Chapter 7: Threats, Victimhood & Political Culture
So, 2007 looks like you got threats in your senior year. Yeah. What was that about?
I wrote about it in my first book. It was one of these moments that I think made me understand the media and how the media functions
uh sort of their ability to lie or sort of to create a narrative. And in retrospect,
what happened could have just been understood in like a very high school way. Um I had a best
friend who was he was a guy friend of a guy friend of mine and I think he's gay by the I think he ended up being gay in
life. But um he and I hung out all the time until I got my first boyfriend like and that was it. I was totally the
typical standard ditch all your friends, spend non-stop time with your boyfriend.
And he was really angry and bitter about that. Not because he liked me or anything, but just it was just I guess a disruption. And so one night I guess he
rounds up a couple of guys who I had never met in my life which is why it was scary when it happened because I was thinking I don't know who would leave me
these messages and he left they left the boys and I mean one the youngest was like 12 years old I think having his
first beer and they left like horrifically racist messages like there's no question we're going to put a bullet in the back of your head like
Rosa Parks. I mean, holy [ __ ] It was a lot. And when it happened, I was like, what on earth? Like, who's
calling me? I didn't think it was him because the voices warrant his. He had different people in the car, but one of
the people ended up being the mayor and then eventual governor of Connecticut's son, which turned it into a political
thing. And suddenly now, uh, everyone wanted to cover this. I hadn't even reported it myself. I actually was just talking about it in a philosophy class
in high school. And my teacher at the time, who's now the principal of the school of a high school, he's great, loved him. He was like, "This is absolutely unacceptable. You're going in
right now reporting this." And so he went right into the principal's office and reported it. And then it felt like everything was taken out of completely
out of my control. And it was like front page fodder because it was look what the mayor's son was involved in. I had never
met the kid in my entire life. and the racism theme and the NAACP is showing up
on the the steps of my high school. They had never spoken to me about the NAACP has got to NAACP. So that kind of shaped
my ideas about them as well because no one cared about how we felt at that point. No one cared about really what probably should have happened is he
probably should have been forced to apologize and they probably rather than smearing him as a racist. I mean was he a racist? No. We were best friends.
That's kind of the point. Did he do something and say something racist? Yes.
You will be surprised how when you're trying to hurt someone, how easily available it is to use a racist term.
Even when you're mad. I mean, there's comedic skits about that. Everyone turns into a racist as soon as someone cuts them off in a car, right? [laughter] Like this Spanish guy, this Spanish guy just cut me off. You know what I mean?
Suddenly we're we're all racist when we're angry. There's some truth to it. You know, you catch yourself. Yeah.
You're sexist, too. Woman driver like female. Oh, it's a Chinese man behind the wheel. [laughter] And so it was it
was, you know, the micro of that pretty much. And more traumatizing than the messages was then having my life
completely ripped from me and becoming like this micro celebrity victim, right?
and nobody cared and everyone's life got ruined in a different way. Um the kids I know ended up getting into a lot of trouble. I think the kid that was my
best friend, he I ended up leaving school for a bit and um homeschooling just because I wanted while they the FBI
was investigating the authenticity of the message as if it was I'm sure that was being pressed while the FBI got involved.
Yeah, they did. And I think it was just because of the element of the politician who was trying to pretend his son didn't do it as if what I called myself
casually like and left these messages. I don't know why all that was even necessary. They should have just confessed, but I think they tried to get away with it in like a weird stupid way
and the kids ended up getting arrested and it was definitely not it was just wasn't dealt with in the right way and it became this really big thing that
ruined a lot of lives. And I think for a kid to be branded as a racist for doing something one night is really heavy.
It's really heavy.
Especially when it's just fundamentally not true, right?
Like I said, you he wouldn't have been my best friend if he was a racist. And he I will maintain that he was not a racist. He did something really stupid
and said a lot of really racist stuff when he was drunk. People make mistakes.
It's hard, especially now in today's environment, to allow kids to make mistakes. Um, we everything is so
recorded. I mean, you see what they do if they find one tweet that someone sent that said, you know, the n-word when they were 11 years old. And I remember
sitting with my cousin, my younger cousin, one time, and he plays, you know, what's the game? Not Grand Theft Auto, but it's one that's like it where
there's like a lot of guys love it. It's Call of Duty. M Call of Duty and he literally was 12 years old and he's in the chat. Have you Have you seen this Call of Duty chat?
I'm sure you have maybe. Mhm.
And it's unbelievable. It's just like it's just like this whole and he's in there saying whatever and saying Allah
Akbar and throwing a bomb and he's like a 12-year-old kid and I'm just sitting here going, "Okay, this is just 12year-olds just trying everything out,
saying what they can." You're going to push boundaries. I mean it's a part of coming of age is like you push boundaries and you know Louis CK did a really good skit talking about what the
phones are taking away from people and it's this natural stage where people want to try out being mean and you if
you say something to someone's face and you see how they react and then you realize you don't really feel good being mean. Doesn't actually feel good to be mean. It allows you to kind of edit
yourself as a human being. And things are really easy when you add technology as a layer. It's easy to tweet something
stupid. It's easy to, you know, say something vicious in the comment section. And we're now dealing with a
generation of kids who are growing up terminally online. Whereas when I was growing up, my dad had a beeper, right?
and so I don't have to think about the record where I'm sure I experimented with being mean in middle school and
social media has added another dynamic to it. So I kind of reflected on that and um again don't regret any of the lessons
from it but I I really do think that it just seeing the obsession to politicize and the NAACP and the Democratic mayor
looking to like try to cover this up. It it kind of gave me an early introduction to what politics is, which is not really about solutions, but you saw it right through all that [ __ ] at 17 years old.
Yeah. Yeah. Wow.
Well, I lived it and and I and it didn't help me. And so also even just the the politics of victimhood. This is a victim. Like who wants to be a victim?
A lot of people.
Yeah. Well, because money is made. And that's kind of the NAACP's grift in that is find me a black victim and I'll show
up and be in front of the cameras screaming about how racism still exists.
And by the way, people are always going to say racist words and sexist words.
And you know, I am just not a big believer in that. I'm not a believer at all in the idea that this is stopping me from getting from point A to point B.
It's not really my business if somebody doesn't like black people. Personally, I think everyone's just gotten too nosy.
you're allowed to when people ask me why I I don't find, you know, the inflammatory language to be such a threat and it's just dumb. I find a lot
of it to be really dumb. And if you're somebody who thinks I don't want to ever date a black girl or a Spanish girl or a
white girl, have at it, a man, it doesn't really impact my life. And so, a lot of the hyperfocus on that is because
it keeps people constantly divided and waring and forming an opinion about stuff. doesn't actually empower any of us. And the people that are
intentionally constantly stoking the flames of that um are the people at the top, of course.
Does the does the NAACP actually do anything for the black community? No. Nothing.
Mm- They [clears throat] just find another victim and raise money. Of course, if your entire bottom line relies upon racism existing, you don't ever want to go out.
Mhm.
Duh. Common sense. It's sort of like you even saw this with Glad to give another example. Their whole grift was all about gay marriage, gay marriage, gay
marriage. And then they got gay marriage. And they were like, oh,
[laughter]
got any more letters in that LGBT bag?
And they're like, actually, here's a T, a Q, an R. Let us invent some.
Yeah, exactly. So, they these people are not actually looking to solve problems.
They're looking to constantly have a problem that needs to be solved so that they can fund raise off of it. Yeah.
They create problems. [laughter] Like I mean I I feel like racial
ra derogatory racial terms. I mean I just I it seems like they've completely lost the weight. Yeah.
Cuz they've overused it everything in every possible regard.
Yeah. And you just also need to we just need people to be tougher.
Like you'll be fine if somebody calls you the n-word. you'll be fine if somebody calls you a racial slur. Like,
we just need to kind of build tougher people than to think that they're all coming apart because they've been called the name. Like, I want my kids to be tougher than that, you know?
Why do you think they do you think it's for the money, the donations, whatever it is that like the NAACP, or do you think it's bigger than
that? Do you think I mean, it can get bigger than that? The the divide and conquer.
Absolutely. BLM was that example. I mean, when they get going, they can cause
people to be at each other's throats waring. They will cause a civil war before they get people looking at the corruption of what they're doing. Um, and that's been tail as old as time.
Who do you think they is? They is a lot of different people.
Well, it depends on what we're talking about. You know, there's there's there's totally different categories of um topics that I
cover on the show. You know, the biggest I think the biggest issue that we have right now in America without question is Israel.
Israel.
Um, and the satanic people who support what they're doing.
Um, the bloodthirst, the control, they behave like a mafia. And I'm talking specifically about Zionists. And sometimes people will say, when you say Zionist, you mean Jews. I want to be
very clear, the Judeo-Christians can be some of the most toxic gang-like people who are part of the same apparatus. So you actually can isolate it.
Um, but I have found and which has been the experience I think of a lot of people especially over the last year.
This is this is a gang. This is a mafia.
This is not normal. What they did the pressure they put Charlie under. What they did to me, what they're currently doing to Megan Kelly. I mean Megan Kelly
I think is probably the greatest example. What did Megan Kelly do? Like Megan Kelly was like I'm a Zionist. And they were like we don't care. You say
something about Tucker Carlson right now or we will destroy you. And you. That's a mafia. And you.
Yeah. And me. That's a mafia. That's a That is you are with us or you are against us. And I faced that obviously
in my own life and saw that and I called it out for what it is. And we uh it's by the way, we're late to the party.
Michael Jackson was trying to say what it was. Kanye West was trying to say what it was. They lived through this mafia. And um finally we have people
understanding that what did Michael Jackson say?
Michael Jackson had a list of the six Jewish people who he said were messing with his life. Rabbi Schmoolie was on the list. I can't think of the other
people that were on it and that they called him anti-semite. They called him an anti-semite because he was talking about control in Hollywood and people that he was fighting um for control.
Who's Rabbi Schmoolley? He's just a crazy crazy deranged human. Am I supposed to know him?
You Well, he had a lot to do with the Michael Jackson stuff because he called himself Michael Jackson's rabbi and um really kind of is just a person that is
constantly threatening people out in the open and is somehow allowed to do it because of what his father did for the state of Israel. And often you will find
38 minutesthat thread of the people who are the most deranged and the most psychopathic and yet somehow seem to be allowed to function in society. You just have to
figure out who their parents were, who their uncles were, and they've done something for the state of Israel. So they're like in the the Zionist mafia as
I describe it. It is a mafia. There's there's no question in my life. It's it's in my mind that it is a gang.
What was Kanye saying? Well, Kanye, you know, he notoriously tweeted that he was going to go Defcon 3 on some Jewish people that had been toying with his
life and nobody cared when he dropped the actual text messages from his trainer, Harley Pastnic, saying that he
would put him back in the hospital and he'd never be able to see his kids again. He dropped the messages. We talk talk about a gangster threat. Like, here's how it's going to go.
Harley Pastnik is a trainer and Kanye was basically before I was awake to this possibility. I was very much around him
when this was all going down when he tweeted this and when Adidas pulled his contract. He was at my house and all the stuff that was going on. And he was
basically I just thought he was I had no idea what he was talking about, you know? I was like very green to this concept of someone saying that their
life was a Truman show. And he was like basically like are you a real person? Like even to me, are you a real person?
Like and I'm like, are you good? Like what do you mean? Like you think I'm a character in a show that's are you real? He was going through this
and um at its core is he felt like someone was directing his life and that the people had been controlling him and
were um he was going to stand up to these people. But Harley Pastnik was his trainer. I've [snorts] covered this on my show. He's got a very checkered past.
A lot of his clients have died in suspicious circumstances and he also was like former Canadian CIA
like psycho psychology or something and then like decided to go be a gym trainer in LA in Hollywood. And these are handlers. Handlers are real. This is a
Chapter 8: Gaslighting, Trust & Media
part of the onion of the Zionist mafia in my view is the handlers who are supposed to see if they can bring you
back to the side of reason.

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Can't you see the error of your ways? And even when you're completely right, their job is to gaslight you into thinking that
you're wrong. And I've had my experience. I believe that I had handlers and didn't recognize it. But
Kanye, when he kind of really woke up to that, um Harley Pastronic, he shared the message that Harley Passic, his trainer,
gym trainer, wrote to him and he said, you know, here's how it's going to go.
Maybe he said, you're going to say sorry or something something. And then the message reads, "Or [laughter]
take you back to Cedar Sinai because Harley Passik is the one that got Kanye put on a psych 5150 hole when they
drugged him." And he said, "And we'll take you back to I think he described it as La La Land." And he said, "And play dates with your kids will never be the
same. We'll drug you out of your mind." Holy [ __ ] It's in writing. And the media just let it go and said Kanye was crazy. I said,
"No, Harley Passick's crazy. Who the hell is this man? That's not how a gym trainer talks. Who is this guy?"
Holy [ __ ] And so when stars, Hollywood stars have been screaming and trying to tell you that something is wrong and that they suddenly wake up to the fact that
they're in a prison, the first thing that happens is another layer of the onion comes out and calls them crazy.
That's how that works. They say, "This person's having an emotional breakdown." They diagnose the people. And the reason for that is because it was a that
strategy of modern psychology was developed by Sigman Freud who was a Satanist. Full stop. Uh he was into
Jewish mysticism, the occult, uh Sebastian Frankism and he began gaslighting kids who actually were being
raped by their parents in Vienna. That is the true story of Sigman Freud.
There's a book on it by the man who controlled his archives called The Assault on Truth. This is a book written by a Jewish man. So there's no
anti-semitism in this book. And he worked under Anna Freud and was due to become the next director of a Sigman Freud archives. So he was a fan of
psychology. He believed in Sigman Freud's theory, which was that kids are attracted to their parents. Wacky. And then he learned to speak German so that
he could read Sigman Freud's notes and his letters that the public has never seen. And he realized that Sigman Freud was a complete fraud. and he rang the
alarm on it and said he knew he literally saw uh and knew that these kids were being abused that these kids were being raped. In some cases in
Vienna they were being raped and murdered in such satanic vicious
um occult you know ceremonies that they died and he would then go to the morg.
He observed their injuries. He knew it was real and he lied because he was protecting his pedophile friends. Um and so they developed Sigman Freud's contribution to society is gaslighting.
He created gaslighting. So you can draw a direct line from Sigman Freud to Hollywood to modern propaganda. His
nephew uh is Edward Bernay, the World War II propaganda, all of that. That's Edward Bernay to PR PR that we have
today. Um that the Freud family is still the biggest PR family in the world. They do PR for the royal family. I mean, Matthew Freud and
this is where we're at is gaslighting is another onion piece of a layer. So, when you realize someone's wronged you and you say this is wrong, they then send
people to try to make you think that you're the crazy person. And I dealt with that firsthand, firsthand. Saw how
that how the mafia moves, trying to convince me that I had done something wrong when I tweeted genocide is always wrong. The messages were insane that I
44 minutesreceived. I I had to read my tweet like a thousand times and go, did I say something in here like genocide is always wrong?
You said genocide is wrong and then genocide is always wrong. Mhm.
Holy [ __ ] Who do you Who do you think your handlers were? [snorts] Um, you know, I think they How close to you were they?
They were all I mean, it was very apparent, but it was all around me. Uh, it was I um I think probably the most
skilled handler. uh and was Marissa. I didn't realize until that moment that
you know she messaged me and said like I want to help you. You don't want to go down this route. If you go down this route I can't protect you. And I stood
up for myself and the messages and I said Marissa go down what route? Like what am I doing here that's wrong? You know I'm a grown adult woman. I know
what I'm saying. I believe genocide is always wrong. I mean this was all be a text message. So I still have it. Who's Marissa?
Marissa is the CEO of Prager University.
Prageru. And then of course the Daily Wire who were trying to convince me that I owed Ben an apology
for saying genocide is always wrong. I mean watching that psychological element of them trying to convince me that I had done something wrong was insane.
And Dave Rubin was messaging me. think it it was just full on everyone trying to explain to me like, "Let me help
you." It's it's always the approach of like, "I'm your friend and I'm trying to help you realize the error of your ways." And it's just full-blown gaslighting.
And I stood firm on it and was like, "No, I'm I know what I wrote." And I I meant every word of it. Genocide is always wrong. Still stand by that.
Yeah, you got to be careful. How do you hire?
Well, that's like the most I get so [ __ ] paranoid when I have to hire. I hate I mean, everybody hates hiring.
Yeah, I really [ __ ] hate hiring.
Yeah, cuz I don't trust anybody. Yeah, I trust my gut.
How do you find your people? Well, I've benefited from the fact that I've had the same people on my team for over 5
years now. So, when I got fired from a Daily Wire, my team came with me, which was a tremendous vote of confidence at the time cuz we didn't know, we didn't
have anything. We were just sort of like, look, we can't give you any benefits. We don't know if this is going to work, obviously. And the Daily Wire at that time was paying, you know, a lot
of money. They had benefits. They had no they had security and you know my editor came over, my producer came over,
technical director um and so it was a tremendous vote of confidence that they came over with me. So they I know that they believe in me and they believe in
what I'm doing. So I am I'm lucky that we don't have a high turnover rate and I haven't had to be trusting and I've just
I'm just very grateful I think for for to have that and we're we're tight. We have we have a good time. We have fun. I
believe in seal team six. I like the t to keep the team small and effective. I don't care about, you know, appearances
and having 90 people working for me and, you know, I can dress myself and all this is. So, it's a it's a small team.
And when we do have to hire, I I go with my gut. We recently hired um a new
director and he's been fantastic. And the reason why he was great is he just totally sits outside of the entire wheelhouse of politics. So he just was
just a burst of fresh air and you know loves to research just a great positive attitude and you have to want to be around the people too.
You spend a lot of time you're fighting a lot of battles with them and so you want to keep them motivated and have a good time and be able to
laugh and enjoy each other have the same values in life. I think everybody on my team is in a really good place in life, like fulfilled by their relationships,
by their marriages. Um, so it just it feels good. Good for you. Yeah, we're in a good spot. Good for you.
All right, let's go back a couple years.
Where did you go to where'd you go to college after I went to the University of Rhode Island?
That incident in high school happened when it was in my senior year. So, it kind of threw my entire senior year into
chaos. And I'm lucky I even applied to college. I almost didn't even apply cuz it was so crazy. And URI was like close
enough. I just applied to URI, got in, went there. What' you want to study?
English and journalism. I have a double major in English and journalism. So I think it's quite fitting. [laughter] Yeah.
Where do we go from there? Where do I where did I go from there? Mhm.
So, actually the story is I had I finished my degree later because Sally May had a huge collapse and um didn't
give me my loan for my senior year of college. I have senior year issues. I've realized [laughter] you've got some
senior year issues. And um so I had to figure it out. Sally May basically was like, "You have one year before we start knocking on your door and demanding your
firstborn child." I had 100k in student loan debt. They weren't going to pay for the last year. crazy. I could wax poetic
about the industry of student loans. It's it's so predatory finding poor people and
getting them to pledge. It's just to be in debt for the rest of their lives. But um I then moved to New York City. I had
no plan. I picked up a job nannying um and was like while I was nannying if I could just start applying for jobs
because these loans were starting to um uh haunt me. I needed to make some money and get out of debt. And so I was like
if I get my foot in the door anywhere I can sell myself. I can like I can learn anything. I'm a really hard worker. And
my second interview at a private equity firm, I saw that like they pay their assistants really well, these private equity guys. And so my second interview
at a private equity firm, I got hired to be a second assistant and hired on the spot, which was fantastic. And then I stayed with that company for four years.
And when I left, I was like the vice president of the administration. Wow.
They were fantastic to me. I was treated really well. Um, and I got to travel the world because it was one of those jobs where I had to do everything.
Everything. I mean his wife did you just say you went from second assistant to VP of the entire company in four years?
VP of the administration. It was a small company. So I don't want to make it wasn't like there was like a thousand employees. It was like a almost like a family style trade desk. Um a true
51 minutesprivate equity structure. Um I mean maybe 18 employees which was nice. It's actually is part of the reason why I
like the idea of a small team cuz I saw it work and [snorts] you know they were killers. We worked really hard and I got to meet a lot of
really cool people. They invested also in movies and um there was a lot of traveling involved. So I got to see the world on
somebody else's dime which was great too because he also when he had crises happening in his personal life he really
trusted me to just learn anything and figure it out. Whether it was building a house in Monttok, whether it was I mean I ended up with Snoop Dogg in Croatia,
you know what I mean? like there's just so there were so many crazy adventures.
Uh and no two days were the same. So I had a fantastic time while I was there and um I was there to pay off my student
loans and I so every time bonus season came around I would just ask him to pay another chunk you know hey can you pay another chunk? Pay another chunk and he
did. I was working for the principal there and so I they also even put me through
went down to learn Spanish. I moved to Costa Rica for was it a eight-week program and you live with a family that
doesn't speak any English because he had a wife that was Spanish speaking and so she hired a lot of Spanish staff and I was like well I got to learn the language I can't manage the staff if I
don't know the language and so because they traveled you know everyone goes to Montalk or the Hamptons for the summer I
was like I just I found a program can you pay for me to go down there I'll learn Spanish and so I did that you learned so you speak Spanish
yeah well I'm now really really rusty, but I did I was fluent in Spanish and um I can understand Spanish though. And so
yeah, I mean I really lived a lot in those 4 and 1/2 years um that I was there,
saw a lot of the world and just I always wanted to grow. I always wanted I I like learning. I like
learning. I like focusing. Anything that I put my mind to, I feel like I can learn. And um that was kind of my introduction to I
mean there's no place if you can make it in New York, you can make it anywhere.
That's the expression. And I I I live by that. I really do believe that cuz it's it's such a tough city. What were you doing at Vogue?
So that's when I was interning initially. I I was um interning and I did the whole magazine circuit. So I did 17 magazine, I did Glamour magazine, and
I did Vogue, which was the big one that everyone wants to get into. And it was of course as somebody who loved
to write. I majored in English and journalism. That was my glamorous idea was that I was going to go move to New York City and I don't know be Carrie
Bradshaw from Sex in the City. I don't know what my idea was. It was in retrospect a little bit cartoonish. And then when I got there I just culturally
was like yeah I don't even want to do this. You know this is not where I want to work. The girls were so vicious, so hungry. So, [laughter] you know, and but
I learned a lot. I mean, they would have fond memories of me. I worked my butt off and that was why I kind of graduated up to the magazines and
was the head of the intern closet, so to speak, at Vogue and made great friends.
So, I've kind of I've been a lot of places really when I think about it.
Say that New York was tough. It was fun. It was a lot of lessons learned and they even the
um the private equity firm even let me take because I I wanted to learn a little bit about private equity you know I became a notary because anytime they were like we need this I was like how
many times am I going to get a notary in here why don't I just become a notary that's kind of person I am like so I just became took the test and became a notary and then um did this NYU
accounting course as well because I wanted to understand a little bit more about the finance side of what we were doing because I was interested in the deals they were really all so different
that were being brought. Um, so it was fun. It was a lot of fun.
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Chapter 9: From Liberal to Conservative
You were a liberal growing up.
Yeah. I mean, liberal in the youth sense. I think it's weird when my husband says he was always conservative. I'm like, what's wrong with you?
[laughter]


He's the rare person who was always conservative and I was liberal. Like in the way that you don't know anything and
it just kind of sounds better even. Are you a liberal or conserv? I'm a liberal.
I'm a liberal. What do you mean? And and I think anytime What do you mean?
Yeah. What do you mean? Before you have bills, life is so it's so easy to be like
idealistic when you don't have to pay bills and you don't really comprehend the issues. Then you lean into the emotional issues and like live and let
live. You love these like stupid bumper sticker expressions. You see it all so nice. that fits your like AIM profile,
you know, like, oh, let me find a quotation to put on my going away message on [snorts] AIM, you know, like the youth, you're liberal when you're
young. There's that expression, I gosh, who's who who says the expression that if you're not a liberal when you're
young, you don't have a heart. If you're not a conservative, when you die, you don't have a brain. [laughter] So,
then you suddenly you're paying taxes and you're like, "Hey, where's this money going?" like [laughter] why am I working so hard where and then you you know your your philosophy changes a bit
as you get older but I never was politically inclined so I never voted Democrat I was just I would have very much described myself as a liberal and
if you had asked me any topic I would have been I would have been across the Democratic party line if I was actually voting but I wasn't. What switched you?
Um, you know, I had this curious set of in of circumstances that brought me to like the something that was known as the Gamergate conspiracy.
What is that?
Honestly, I still couldn't tell you to be honest with you cuz I am not a gamer as I just said, but I was like Alice in Wonderland and was trying to I I put up a Kickstarter to put together a company.
I had this idea after I paid down all of my student loans and I had a little savings account that I wanted to start
and it was maybe maybe all heart nobrain a company that would get kids into to be able to like get in trouble on the
internet without having these consequences like being arrested. And so my bright idea was that I was going to create this company called Social Autopsy and if they got in trouble
online they they wouldn't like get into legal trouble and rather than that it would sort of help them like I don't
know maybe get suspended or something like it was like my way of trying to write the wrongs maybe misguided from what happened in high school totally
misguided and I was very green and I put it up on Kickstarter and I got this weird call from this girl called Zoe
Quinn gamers who are watching this will know exactly who this is. They'll be like, "Yes, the gamer. That's that's how I knew you or whatever." And it was really
weird because she was telling me she was a victim and that I couldn't make this company. She misunderstood what we were even thinking about doing. She thought we had we're going to build a technology
like a Silicon Valley technology to unmask trolls on the internet, which was not at all what we were doing. We had no capability to do this. We had a splash page. That's why we were on Kickstarter.
I had no connections to be able to do that. But her call, she was saying she was a victim, but it was very obvious she was threatening me. And I didn't know anything about this girl or gamer
gay. And um long story short, after I hang up the phone call with her, I start getting hit with a bunch of threats online. And it was very obvious to me that this girl was directing threats.
Just my gut instinct that something was wrong with this girl. And I landed myself into the middle of a hu like huge
gamer gate like war that was being covered extensively by Breitbart. I'm I'm really just always in the wrong place at the wrong time.
And so suddenly next thing Washington Post is calling me. I'm not known at this time. They're calling me and they're ask and I'm thinking these are my friends. Like I went to school
Washington Post that is the top-of-the-line journalism. I learned this in school. like what? I'm so flattered to be able to give you this
interview. And I spoke to this girl, Caitlyn Dewey was her name. I'll never forget that. And she interview, she was so nice on the phone and I said to her, "Yeah." And I explained to her what
happened. I'm like, "I really don't think that girl's Obie Quinn is telling the truth because, you know, she was a victim and said that she was harassed on
by gamers." And so she kind of built a whole 501c3 platform based off of that.
And I guess the Gamergate conspiracy was that she was actually leading an army of trolls. And that was just my experience with her in four seconds, you know, and
I had no idea like I what was going on or what the back was just like that girl um is led trolls against me and that girl wasn't a victim. And boy was that a
big statement. Anyway, the Washington Post after they interviewed me, Caitlyn Dwey, also New York Magazine, I believe it was, or the New Yorker, Jesse Signal
or Single was his name, Signal, they lied and like smeared me after I thought these guys were my friends and like I
was I told them the truth and they were like protecting this girl Zoe Quinn. It was so weird. And this was the entire thrust of the Gamergate conspiracy was
that this girl was being artificially protected, that she was actually leading an army of trolls and pretending that we
needed to do something about men and gamers on the internet. And this is kind of like the preamble to the Hillary Clinton campaign, which became very much
like we kind of got into this anti- masculinity, men are toxic. It was kind of the preamble to that. And I think she
had a real fear that if I had created this technology which could unmask trolls that it was going to expose that
he everything the gamer conspiracy theorists were saying was true.
That was my read on the situation. And so she was being protected and I never really I mean I'm just not a gamer. I just didn't know. But the only people that actually gave me a fair shake in
the media who I spoke to was Breitbart, which was crazy cuz I thought they were like the white supremacist, you know, my
Connecticut um Democratic surroundings, blue liberalish mind. I was really reticent
to speak to them and then they wrote the truth about what I had said. So I was kind of like, what the heck is going on?
Why is up down and down up? Uh, and at this at this time, at the same time, Trump was running. And so I was kind of
questioning my allegiance to leftist media, so to speak, because of how I was treated, and I didn't really comprehend when I just told them the truth about
this random chick. And um, Trump, they were saying, was like a racist, a white supremacist, all of this stuff. And I
3 minuteswas willing to at least listen to the other side because I now did not trust the Washington Post. And so I decided to just listen to like a Trump speech
without having it filtered for me by CNN or MSNBC and I heard his like pitch to black America and he was in Dimundell,
Michigan at the time and he said, you know, black America and he sort of listed all of the ways in which black Americans are struggling like the
statistics just the like the raw statistics and he said why don't you just take a chance on me? What do you have to lose? Just do something different. You vote Democrat every every
four years. And I was like, you know, fair elevator p elevator pitch. I like it. Whatever. Still not going to get my vote, but like whatever. And then I
pivoted to my trusted sources over at CNN and like Don Lemon was like crying over and was like he looked black America in the face and he said, "You
are poor. You are pathetic. You can't do this." And I was like, "That didn't that didn't happen at all. That's not what he
said." He gave a kind of reasonable pitch. You've been doing the same thing. Why don't you try something different?
And so that began a huge, man, could I have had this thing wrong?
Like, are Republicans not all racist and backwards? Like, is there something I'm missing here? And me just sort of being
the naturally curious person that I am who wants to learn more. I kind of privately began that pursuit and it led
me to Thomas Soul and his work and his books and it changed my life. I I really uh love Thomas Soul. I feel like he's
like my private tutor who I've never met.
Right [snorts] on. Do you still consider yourself to be a conservative?
I'm always going to be a conservative. I actually realized I always was a conservative. I was raised with my grandfather. He was conservative, a Republican.
Yeah, I guess I guess there is a difference now, huh?
And I guess there always has been cuz like I was liberal, but I wasn't a Democrat. I didn't vote Democrat. Um or I thought I was liberal, but actually I was raised conservatively and my values
were always conservative and I am a conservative. I um I think it works. I think family works and that's the most
what are we conserving at the end of the day is the question. And to me it's it's traditional families. I think that's our best guard against the government.
I think so too. Honestly, I think that's almost the only that's might be the only thing that we can
really I don't know. You [clears throat] you had said something earlier about, you know, we were talking about do you feel
like it's your responsibility to do what you do? And then you'd said you you really trust your gut when you're hiring people.
I don't know, man. I trust my gut, but maybe I don't [ __ ] trust my gut because the leadup to this last election was just all lies.
Something happened to Trump, right? But something happened to all of them.
Yeah. Well, every single one of them. Who? Who else? Except Joe Kent.
I wasn't I mean, what did you expect from Marco Rubio? Absolutely nothing. Exactly what we see.
Exactly. I The person that I think I placed stock in was Trump.
And we got played. I mean, there's no other way to say it. we got
it's kind of shocking the ways that he lied. And so you have to then go why this is nothing like Trump 1.0.
Trump 2.0 is totally different. And the obvious answer is I think that
Trump desperately by any means necessary wanted to win again. felt the election like many
people do feel was a stolen from him in 2020. Co changing the way we vote. I totally agree with that by the way. Uh
and his entire life's mission then transformed into I will do anything to win again including making a deal with the devil and selling my soul.
That's what you think happened.
And he took 300 million from Miriam Mlesen. Something that he once mocked Marco Rubio from doing. He tweeted once about Sheldon Aden owning Marco Rubio.
And you don't take 300 million from people who run the Vegas. A very generous woman.
You don't take 300 million from people who run Vegas and tell them no about anything.
That's how it works. You that you could talk about that in the micro level. You know this stuff growing up. Basic survival skills like when people, you know, you don't borrow money from people
unless you know who they are. like and that's can apply to gangs. You know, you
it's time to pay up. And so Trump is not his own man, plain and simple.
Trump is not running this administration. It wasn't a gift. It wasn't, "Hey, I really love what you're doing. Here's $300 million."
You know, it came with contingencies, demands, one of it being that they wanted to annex the West Bank,
which was something that was told to me by Charlie and Andrew Kovat who were present for that meeting between Morson and Donald Trump that she said that I'll
cut you this check. But I when we want to annex the West Bank, that's what he they wanted in exchange.
So now I think he probably has a little bit of regret taking the money. You think so?
I think so. I don't think he likes not being his own man. I think that's what a lot of the lashing out is about. I think Trump at his core wants to be liked and
I think he knows he's not liked right now. You think he'll ever be liked again? No. Me neither.
How much wealth has he amassed since he took this presidency?
The better question is how much more do they need?
How much more does the Trump family need? I mean, when Ivanka swimming to Albania, like what? Like, how much more money do you guys need?
When is enough enough? Never.
Yeah. And that's why you feel like they fully have given themselves in because none of them were like that before. You don't think so?
No. I think I spent a lot of time with Don Jr., Don Trump Jr., and he was a real person
and he was certainly a very close friend of Charlie's. He shocked me the most after the assassination because I knew
Don and I challenged right away. I challenged him. I said if Don Jr. who hunts, that's
the guy he knows the wilderness. If Don Jr. comes out and says he believes that Charlie's neck stopped a 306 bullet, I'll back off.
I don't think Don Jr.'s even spoken about Charlie's assassination since
I think a lot of people are are going to go to hell for an eternity.
I know a lot of people are going to go to hell for an eternity. But the level of talk about the mourning process of
realizing that Charlie gave so much of his life to put those people into power contending with that level of betrayal transformed me.
Yeah.
So to answer your question, no, I don't consider myself to be a Republican. Yes, I do consider myself to be a conservative.
Yeah, I'm the same.
I I don't even know what the [ __ ] this means. I don't even know if I'll ever vote again. That's how I feel.
Probably not. I don't I just, you know, going through this and uncovering everything that we've uncovered, nothing's changed.
I don't know about you, but for me, it's a [ __ ] ton of stress being associated with these people. Now they have my number. They can reach me.
I [ __ ] hate that [ __ ] Mhm.
And then what was it all for? This [ __ ] that we see. Do you think this needed to happen?
Chapter 10: Assassination Questions & Political Distrust
What needed to happen? This veil to be lifted.
Yeah, I have to believe that. I have to believe it. I I am at my core an eternal
optimist and I don't want to give into like despair
and I have to believe that Charlie was right that his death was
going to happen because it would be tied to a global awakening. And I've seen that. I've seen the seeds of that. I've
seen the sprouts of that. I see the incredible audience that I have amassed around the world. I mean going to Russia
recently and realizing how big the becoming Breijit series was. I had I had no idea. Um
there is true evil being exposed and it was easy for evil to control the world
when we were dumb and stupid and thought it was impossible. Right? things these some of these conspiracies I mean
the fact that we are having real discussions about Freemasonry about the occult about true demons about what demonic possession is that you can sit
here across from Father Riper and I read the comments and that was a transformative episode by the way uh but
to see all the comments of like I need to go to church now this episode made me want to go to church not this guy's crazy what's he on the Exorcist is just
a movie just a Hollywood Hollywood movie. Um, that's uplifting. I think that's
uplifting and it had to happen there. I think we as a society needed shock treatment
and Charlie's death was shocking in so many ways, not just the death, the administration's reaction to
it, the his wife. There were there's so many shock points. It shocked the senses in so many ways. It made us consider
things that were so beyond the realm of what we I think could have ever thought feasible.
I think his his assassination had to be live streamed and people who are
some ritualistic thing or Yeah. So for two the people who orchestrated his assassination it was ritualistic. I think that they wanted it to be publicized in that way.
because they thought they were then going to harness our emotion from having seen it to their benefit. And what it
did was it certainly did harness emotion, but it was not to their benefit.
The emotional reaction that happened if they could have controlled it and built a conduit for it would have been amazing
if they could have just channeled it as they wanted to. literally channeling energy, a form of witchcraft, right? Um, and they wanted to channel that energy
toward Erica, who I in my honest to God perspective, I believe she
is a tried andrue psychopath truly. And I'm not saying that to be
theatrical. I'm I'm, you know, not trying to be hyperbolic. I mean a clinical psychopath.
I um and I think that is what has shocked them is that they couldn't do it.
And so Charlie's death contributed to an awakening and I have to keep that
perspective that um you know keep going. Yeah.
They they didn't even look into his own assassination attempt. Trump. Yeah.
Butler. They [ __ ] blocked the investigation. Yeah. Mhm. What do you think that was?
I covered that recently on my show and there is a it should be reopened and I think it was
a successful assassination of Corey Comparator. I think was that the firefighter? Mhm. I met his daughter.
Did you?
The inauguration that I never should have [ __ ] went to. Mhm.
Yeah. Well, they don't believe the story. Um, they are not satisfied. His family is not satisfied with the investigation.
And there was a a strange set of circumstances of his best friend from high school having died a couple of
years earlier from a plausibly PETN explosive.
And um I covered that recently. The an explosive. Mhm.
Mhm. He um worked with them and uh I covered it recently on my show. This
the firefighter that was killed worked at the PET plant. His best friend died a couple of years earlier and worked at um
basically worked he was a supervisor at a company that dealt with patent explosives because they perforated the
wells for oil and gas companies which requires the patent explosive. He died in a mysterious set of circumstances in his backyard where he was burning stuff
in a barrel and something exploded and ironically hit his neck and he died instantly. Um, and he his friends didn't
believe the circumstances surrounding his death. I had heard rumors of an illegal explosive ring, sort of people
getting pet in um, illegally. And Corey was this guy's friend since high school.
There's a lot of questions about, you know, shortly after Corey died, Israel did their beeper pet and explosive attack within like 2 months.
It was very quickly. That's weird. Um, all of the stuff could be considered conspiracy, but I think what adds weight
to conspiracies are a lack of answers. When there's a lack of answers, conspiracies become weighted.
And you can't tell me that it's normal for a man to survive an assassination attempt and shut down the investigation
into his own assassination attempt. That doesn't make sense. Trump can't make that make sense. You think he knows?
Mhm.
That's why he's blocking the investigation. Is it him blocking it or is it the FBI? Well, if Tucker is to be believed, you can decide whether you
believe Tucker or whether you believe Dan Bonino, but I'm going to go with Tucker Carlson. [laughter] Yeah, I I'll go with Tucker on that.
I'm going to go with Tucker. And Dan's reaction to what Tucker said was very strange. He was like, I'll going to beat up Tucker Carlson or something. I was like, Tucker Carlson's not going to
fight you. What is wrong with you? But he came undone when Tucker revealed the conversation they had. And Tucker seemed to be telling the truth that, you know,
Dan said that Trump blocked it personally. And that's reflected even in what Don Trump Jr. said. He said, "My dad is satisfied with the investigation.
I'm not. And I'm going to leave it there." So clearly the directive had gone out from Trump that
no more talk about Butler. So make that make sense. You survive an assassination attempt.
You're now number one in charge of the country. Why would you not just I have no idea why you wouldn't want to know who's trying to [ __ ] kill you.
It just makes like turning. It doesn't make sense to me.
Yeah. They don't I don't know why it makes sense to so many other [ __ ] people, but it doesn't make sense to me. I would I would want to know who's trying to kill me.
Yeah. So, there's something we're missing about Butler. And there it's the exact same
like stage, so to speak.
um the exact same play as a Charlie Kirk assassination where everyone who should be the most curious about investigating is very much
not curious about investigating angry at people that are investigating and attacking people who want to get answers. The public's going to notice
that. The public's going to notice that something's not right. Like [snorts] and they're going to begin to suspect the people who purport to be the victims.
Why do you think nobody in this administration's speaking up? What do you think? Do you think they're all under the same control or are they all under Trump's control?
We know that Charlie represented almost a solitary voice maybe outside of JD Vancees in terms of trying to
communicate to Trump that getting involved with Iran was a bad idea.
That administration is not working for Donald Trump. They're working for Israel. Obviously, Trump is powerless.
Everyone can see that.
It's just it's just I mean I had Cash Patel sitting right across
from me at the other studio and we just went on and on about the Epstein [ __ ]
on and on and on and then nothing. Where I mean where's Cash Patel from?
He's from Vegas. If P Cash Patel has ever had any power in his life, his power came from that entire city was
built by Israel. You know, Mary Mson has served the IDF. Sheldon Adlesen said his biggest regret was not having served the
IDF. They've never been I mean, Trump said it on stage. She's more loyal to Israel than she is to our country. I mean, it's not a secret.
Vegas is a dangerous place. People say what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.
No, stays in Vegas and gets sent over to Tel Aviv. It's just a city of blackmail to be honest with you. And um they're
all kind of tied there. They're all kind of tied in my in my view to Vegas. I mean, Andrew Kovat, he's from Reno. His
dad did, you know, legal work on the casinos and it's like this thing his brother served. There was, you know,
from the Reno unit that went over and were guarding the poppy seeds in Afghanistan. That was his brother was
like Colonel Lieutenant on that. That was just Poppy trafficking. After that, we had the opioid crisis.
What do we think these wars are about?
You know, who what did we win in Afghanistan? Poppy seats.
An opioid crisis.
What do you think is going to happen in the midterms? What? Actually, let me let me back up. Now you see Trump speaking out against Israel. You see Vance I
don't buy it either. You see Trump and Vance now all of a sudden it's like where the [ __ ] did this come from? It
all seems very performative to me and I'm not sure why they're moving to I
guess this new act, so to speak. They're destroyed.
Yeah, maybe because midterms are completely destroyed.
Maybe because midterms are around the corner.
Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying. I mean, they're [ __ ] destroyed.
So, they're going to pretend he's like Mr. Tough Guy again and standing up to BB. It's all very performance.
Do you think people are going to buy this [ __ ] No. Do you think Israel's in on the act? Yes. Me too.
I think you should take the MSAD at their word when they say we are the directors, the actors. We can infiltrate
any organization, um, any company. We're the script writers. I believe that that's a interview, right? Mhm.
Yeah. after referring to, you know, how they were able to infiltrate and get the
PETN explosive pin um into the beepers and how they created all these fake companies with, you know, fake
employees. And I think about when I hear those words Charlie and his life and how I think it became an is an Israeli
Truman show. But similar for Trump, everyone around him is just working for
a higher boss and it's the Rothschilds and it's Israel.

So all of that all of that is performative. I I mean I couldn't be motivated to vote for midterms.
Yeah, me neither. Especially after what we saw happen with Thomas Massie where they're just so in our face about it now where they're like, "We don't like you.
If you have a point against Israel, we'll spend." That's that's the only thing I can't really put together in my head is we see this act. We see all of a sudden everybody's a tough guy against Israel.
Like, ah, right. Okay. Mhm. Right around the corner from midterms.

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Chapter 11: Elections, Power & the Future
But I also don't really believe in the election system because of all kinds of [ __ ] we've seen. Spencer Pratt's race,
probably the most recent one, Massiey's race.
So if the if the elections are phony, then why do they give a [ __ ] about the act? Because the illusion matters.
Why does it matter?
Because they need Think about if truly tomorrow they came out and said, "Your vote
doesn't mean anything. We've been running the election since the beginning of time. Um, we kill people in broad daylight.
Yeah, we did JFK. We did Charlie in and uh we're going to keep doing whatever the hell we want. So, f you.
You think something would actually happen?
Yeah, because I It's actually something Charlie said to me when we were traveling once. He said little one of
his little pop quizzes. What is one thing that every civilization who's ever had that's that has ever had slavery since the beginning of human history?
What is one thing that every single one of those civilizations has in power has has in common? I don't know.
I didn't know either. And he said there were always more slaves than masters and [snorts] that always stuck with me.
The few are able to get all of us to behave. So what they fear is a real
revolution. That's why they always stoke the flames of internal unrest because if all of us were in lock step and we're like, let's go kill these pedophiles, you know, [laughter]
let's go take care of business. That's the biggest threat to the system, a revolution that they don't control. So instead, they create revolutions over stupidity.
Mhm.
Trans bathroom rights keep them focused and arguing about stuff that doesn't matter at all. BLM, racial strife, you
know, why isn't there a George Floyd square?
This is fodder for idiots.
While they buy islands, they take up land, they destroy heritage, they rewrite history. 20 years from now, they
they'll say, you already heard, I think, Jerry Seinfeld say Palestine doesn't exist. He's a man of the future.
They'll rewrite history. They'll say they were the victims. It all started on October 7th.
and um they'll wipe away entire identities. I mean, good for the people in Albania who are standing up from to the Israeli settlers right now. Don't
know what their plan is there, but something's going on. And um that's that's their biggest threat. So, they
have to get you to believe in the illusion of elections because you have to think you can change it and that your voice matters.
Who do you think's going to be the next president? I mean, Poly Market right now puts Vance at the top. And then two
points below is Rubio and Gavin Newsome tied.
Rubio? What? What? Absolutely not. Well, I mean, maybe with Apac money, anything happens Golden Boy.
Yeah, maybe with Apac money, anything could happen. You know, I'm not into political prognostications. I wouldn't
put any of those people uh if we had a fair system.
I wouldn't put any of those people in the bucket for who would be the next president. I mean um if we're talking about on the Democratic side, yeah, I
think they're going to run Gavin Newsome. That's probably accurate. But on the Republican side, there is a an apathy that's setting in.
And I don't see how Vance gets around everything Trump did. I don't see how Vance gets around what happened in Iran. I don't see how
Vance is able to talk his way out of that.
Oh, welcome to tell you how all these Catholics are really leaning into being Catholic now because it's the
fastest growing Christian denomination in the world. So, they're leaning into that.
I don't think that's going to be enough. You don't think so? Nope. They're leaning into it pretty hard.
Have you seen it? I think he missed an opportunity um to stand up to Trump on some of those
points and his unnecessary tweet against the pope. I I don't think that Catholics are tough.
I know. I'm just one group that have not been socially engineered. I'm watching. Yeah.
And they're they're trying they're really trying to tap into it.
I don't think it's going to work. I think people are so much more awake to and especially
the and I'm going to call this and I don't mean to attack Vance on this but just more broadly speaking the faith
grift post Charlie people have their antennas up cuz that's been the entire turning point
thing and it's felt has not registered it's felt inauthentic and sure that was like a part of the evangelical world but
there have been a a lot of I think missed opportunities for Vance to not write about being a Catholic or say he's a Catholic, but to stand up to the stuff
that's happening in the administration that's just downright ungodly.
You know, you bomb a school with 150 school girls in it and then they lie about it
[snorts] and then it's sort of like whatever. I don't know BB wanted us to do it. It's I think it's going to be hard for him to get around it. So
I But anything can happen in a world where elections are fake and gay.
[laughter]
Anything can happen. Marco Rubio could be the next president of the United States. [snorts] Someone they can control.
I hope Massie runs. I hope Joe Kent runs. He's great. I really like Joe Kent.
Yeah, he is fantastic. I'd like to see him run as well. And I think he the way that he resigned and wrote about his
conscience and also the nastiness that Trump threw at him about his wife. I couldn't I mean I was just absolutely shocked.
Nothing makes my skin crawl more than a [ __ ] piece of [ __ ] that never served the [ __ ] country talking [ __ ] about a guy who served the country whose wife
was [ __ ] assassinated by al-Qaeda with one of my really good [ __ ] friends, Scotty. Words.
I'm glad he did it. I'm glad I did it because I think servicemen and women needed to see that because that is the perspective that Israel holds of the men that serve.
I believe that. I believe that it is.
You are toy soldiers and we're slaves. Yeah. You're slaves. We're slaves. We're all slaves. I've had a real awakening about that.
We have to be tax mules sending our money to Israel and our sons and daughters to die for them. Y and people should not serve. I've been
strong on that. It's like our our country is occupied. You are not signing up to serve for the United States military. Your streets are not going to become more paved. Your streets are not
going to become safer. Um your schools are not going to become better. Theirs will. So, uh if that is a draw for you,
then sign up and serve uh the United States of Israel. But th this is where we can make a difference.
I just had a really get deployed a green beret. I won't even
say what group he's at. And he jokingly, but you can see it in his
[ __ ] eyes, says, "Uh, I'm getting deployed early. I got to go fight for Israel." And you could just He wants out. He's
talking about a [ __ ] leave. That simple.
There's a legal means to leave the military. And I encourage on my show every man and woman to do it because at the end of the day, the best laid plans
don't work without bodies. And I think they learned that lesson in Iran. They couldn't get people to get behind it.
That's why they need the propaganda machine. They needed people to be behind it and they weren't. And that that
terrifies them truly. The idea of Americans not signing up for the military. That's an existential threat.
I could see it in Pete Hagath's eyes as he's like, "We're going to raise the age people to join the military." I bet you are. What does that tell me? The numbers are low. People are waking up.
So if you if you if you want to go be big bad and and take over Palestine and do do it by with your sons and daughters.
I mean for a Green Beret to not want to go to war, one of the [ __ ] highest trained
units in the [ __ ] United States, like legit war fighters, doesn't want to go to war cuz he's knows it's not he knows it's not for us. And he's not the only one.
It's all of them. Mhm. It's [ __ ] all of them.
And when you get back, you could be so lucky as to have given your entire body to have lifelong ailments, to not be able to get appointments at the VA. And
if you're really lucky, I mean, really lucky, the president can tweet mocking
the fact that your wife died and you got remarried serving the country. Yep.
Who doesn't want to sign up? Sign up today.
Well, I mean, now there's all this talk about the draft.
Why? Because it's not there. But guess what? You're better off better off spending a year in jail uh than going to fight for Israel. So, it's like, how far
are they going to take this? So, are they going to be like Ukraine dragging people off the street like thugs? Probably. That's that's the threat that they need.
You can't Okay, you guys want it, Zionist, you got you're so big and bad and powerful. Send your sons and daughters. Your sons and daughters first.
I will not let my my my boys won't serve. Not in this in this environment.
It's not it's not an honor to serve the country that we live in right now. The occupied country that we live in right now.
Yeah. That's how I feel. Call me if we're getting invaded. I'm done going overseas.
Best thing to do is defend your neighborhoods, defend your families, build smaller communities.
That's what I encourage people to do on my learn to farm.
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Chapter 12: Early Career & Turning Point USA
Degree 180.
Yeah, just a blog that I had when I was young. I just love to write. I was always writing. I mean, I my earliest memories writing was like in third
grade. I was writing poems. Like as soon as I could learn to write, it felt like and it felt like such an escape for me.
I used to like write songs and poetry and I just still love writing. I I'm like one of the rare people that
actually wrote both of her books. People usually uh get a ghostriter and it's it's probably my favorite pastime. Like
it's something that I genuinely enjoy doing for me. And so with degree 180, I got a bunch of girls together to just put together a blog and let everybody
write about whatever they wanted to write about, which is funny cuz now they take articles that I didn't write, but because it was like my blog, but it clearly was written by another person,
but like she operated a blog where someone said that Trump had tiny hands and I'm like, yeah. And someone else, you know, did a whole article bashing
Hillary writing his expression. I let everybody write whatever they wanted to write. So, um, yeah, just it was a fun passion project of mine.
Where do we go from there?
From there, I then started making videos on YouTube. It was uh all pretty back
toback and um I I launched my YouTube channel in the fall of no in August of
201 17, right? I think is when I launched my YouTube channel. as Red Pill Black and
just started when BLM stuff was heating up, I sort of was making funny videos on YouTube and they started they did pretty
well. It would get 100,000 views here which is great for a new content creator. Yeah, no kidding.
And I did this little funny skit, Mom, Dad, I'm a conservative, which I wrote my cousin who I was telling you was the
person that was with me the most when I was really sick. I was just kind of coming out of that. She recorded it, I wrote it, and we just shot it and it did
pretty well. And then I think it was like the third video I did. Um there's an account online. I don't know if you're familiar with Anomaly. He lifted
the video and it was me discussing um Black Lives Matter, I think it was,
and he put it on to Facebook and it got 26 million views.
26 26 million views. Mhm. I mean, it went absolutely viral. Holy. And that's your third video?
Yeah. I don't know if it was about BLM, actually. It was my third video and it was about I can't remember what the topic was. It just was so crazy to me,
but it just went completely viral. And then I got the call from Fox News. It was Jesse Waters team that said, "Come on, Waters World." And the rest really
was history. I got an invite to go uh it all happened so quickly. It was unbelievable. Uh after f doing Fox News,
I then got an invite to go down to David Haritz's Freedom Center and that's where I met Charlie and people told him he had
to hire me like after I gave my little presentation. I was just on a panel talking about my experience and um yeah,
it went So you started your own YouTube channel. Mhm.
Did three videos then you get connected with Charlie Kirk.
That is the truth. it. I mean it in that order. It was it must have been my third or fourth video. It was super quick and I can't remember. I can't remember the topic. Maybe it was feminism. It was it
was just some topic that I was riffing on. It just went absolutely viral. Got 26 million views. Do you still Is that video still up?
Yeah, I'm still Is this still the same YouTube channel? You can go back and watch the early days skits with very
poor quality camera just doing it from my granddad's house. I And it was just Yeah. Literally me and my cousin. And I
was like, "Can you hold the camera? I'm just going to film something." And then I edited it myself and put it up as Red Full Black was the moniker I was using.
And it was fun, you know, it was very fun. And then I just sort of started doing videos, talking about various topics. And then Charlie hired me to do the same thing for Turning Point USA.
And then [snorts] to be the communications director because I think he thought she's good at communicating if she's able to get all these people to watch her videos. And uh we just then
had an absolute blast. Then we were traveling everywhere the entire country other countries doing just building building building.
What channel is this on? Which channel? Is the channel called Red Pill Black?
You know, you can just name your YouTube channel whatever you want. The Sean Ryan show. I just named mine Red Pill Black.
Is I was thinking like, oh, here's a Red Pill for Black America was kind of my thought process there. And then I think it was Charlie who told me, you don't want to have people meeting you and
going, oh, you're Red Pill Black. You know, you want to use your name. And I was like, oh, okay. So, I just switched the channel name over to Candace Owens and um yeah, I still have
Is that your channel or is that Daily Wire's channel?
No, I I had to pause my channel. I really kind of paused it when I started working for Turning Point USA cuz then I was making videos for them and so you'll see that gap. I kind of
only made a few videos really and then completely stopped and was doing work for Turning Point USA and still making videos but making the content for them.
So it was TPUSA videos really about various topics which were still you know doing very well and then had kind of the fi the firepower of I don't have to edit my own videos and things of that nature.
Uh and uh then when I took the job at then I was at prayer you so am I hold on hold on. So how I mean I know
you and Charlie were obviously very close. How fast did that relationship develop right away? Because it was such a small
organization and this is before they had the offices in Arizona, right? So Turning Point was small. I I if I remember correctly and people could
obviously go back. It's a public company, but they were under 10 million a year, I think, when I want to say like
they had cleared like 6 million a year maybe. And it was fun. It was I like when it's just a small company and it feels like a startup, it's really fun.
You got to work harder, sleep less, but that's when like the best memories are made. And Charlie was wired to work like that. And I just from my grandfather and
wired to work like that. And so we just lived out of a suitcase uh doing every
possible event, every Charlie had this thing where you do every single Fox News show. So, we were up at the crack of dawn to do Fox and Friends First, which
is in the 4:00 a.m. hour, [snorts] where wherever we were, cuz they have, you know, their little studios that you can run to and do a hit to staying up until
you finally got the call to do one of the big ones, which for us at the time it was you get the call to do Laura
Ingram or Tucker Carlson. We were like, or Sean um not Shawn Ryan.
I almost said Shawn Ryan. Did you see how naturally I was like Sean? Um, that's not Sean Ryan. I can't believe I'm bling on his name now. That's ridiculous.
Sean on Fox News. Hannity. Gosh. I was like, why can I not think of his name?
It's because of you. Cuz you're in front of me.
Or Sean Hannity. That was what you were building up toward. And so Charlie was always like, you want to do every show because the producers for the other show are watching this show. And if you're
good on this show, he had this whole map of how it was going to work. And so he's never say no to any show. And so we did every Fox News show, every hit. Yes,
yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, we'll do it. While trekking throughout the United States, living out of a suitcase, the cheapest hotel rooms imaginable. Um,
like literally the room, the walls were so thin. A lot of them were airport hotels. Like I could just hear Charlie
turning on the shower. I could hear Charlie snoring. I could just there was just just a thin, you know, almost was like a sheet of paper um between our
45 minutesrooms and it was fun. I mean, there are so many just little things like that I reflect on now that are just so funny.
Like if you'd get somewhere and then suddenly your suitcase didn't come through and you're going, "Oh, I said we'd have to get up at the crack of dawn, find the earliest Walmart, buy a
blazer so that we could do the Fox News hit at 6:00 a.m." And it was madness. a lot of coffee, a lot of Chipotle. So
much Chipotle. Um, we ate so much Chipotle. I I can't believe I don't have stock in that company. Um, and we kept
being like, they have got to hire us to like did they have to like do do an ad agreement with us or something cuz we're eating this much of it. Um, drinking a
ton of Starbucks. And yeah, I mean, just really traveling with someone is the fastest way to get to know someone. I can tell
you that for free. you you really get to see the person, you know what I mean?
There's no there's no glam in traveling like that and who they are in the morning time, [laughter] nighttime, how
they pack their suitcase. Sometimes you get to a a room and his room's ready and my room's not. And so, oh, but I'm exhausted to take a nap. And so, he's like, I'm going to go for a run. You can
go a nap in my room. Then we're exchanging. And so, yeah, you get you get to see people at their worst. And at
the same time, I think one of the things that um made me and Charlie so close, cuz I I think about why we sort of had this unbreakable bond despite everything.
And if you think about your life, who are the people that you actually feel the closest to? It's people that you grow up with. Mhm.
Right. Like there's something about those early relationships. And I think about the people that I went to high school with. like either something
they're so it's so unique and so special because it's a coming of age and it was the same with Charlie. We had a a
certain type of coming of age together in politics. Neither of us was very wellknown, right? We were very idealistic about what politics was. We thought we could change things.
How old were you when you started turning? I was old. A lot older than Charlie was. I was uh 26. 26.
Yeah. And I want to say Charlie was 20.
Don't quote me on this. I feel like I was 26 when I started making my videos, but I might not have been. And then Charlie would have been like 21.
I have to figure that out. But um that sounds about right to me. Uh maybe they still kind of growing up together at that.
Yeah. But it's so different though when it's growing up then there's like that growing up that happens. I mean, you also knew each other before before it all happened.
That's what I mean. We weren't well known. None of No, neither of us was well known. Like, when I started working for Turning Point USA, I didn't have
even 10,000 followers on I I think I had maybe I got like 30,000 followers on X people that were following my videos.
So, I wasn't wellknown. Charlie wasn't wellknown and we were trying to build something and like we thought we could
really change things. So there's an innocence there too where you're like wow wow we're in the excitement of like
looking back on the messages like Don Trump Jr. just retweeted me. You know what I mean? Like [laughter] he knows I exist and this person just retweeted me
and so and so Laura Ingram just asked me to do our show for the first time. like and there is an innocence even looking back and reflecting in Charlie's like by
this time next year you're going to have a 100,000 followers right and so there was a coming of age I I think is what
made us so close and then also realizing wo politics is really nasty business and then people that because we were so naturally trusting and we thought that
this could be a fair game like we're going to work hard and Charlie used to always say we can always the one what is the one thing we can control we can always outwork our opponents we that's
the one thing in our control and we did we outworked them and that's how we that's how we climbed and you know the moment of then Kanye tweeting me like
never forget that morning I was just in tears um calling Charlie and just being like we made this happen and everything
really sort of exploded after that but that's what it is I think is it's a coming of age and you can't rip that away you can't rip that away to see
people in that environment and watch them come up and watch them navigate so many snakes makes and to earn where they where they are. Like Charlie earned that
and I fought and I earned that. And then to watch people um cut his life short and then to watch
people who didn't earn it say it's mine now. Yeah. I don't know. Doesn't work for me.
What was the goal back then? What were you guys doing?
Well, my goal was to change black America. And [laughter] I'm laughing because it just seems like
my view, my worldview was so small and realizing what the problem was. It's like I'm going to get black America to realize that the Democrats are lying to
them about Black Lives Matter and keeping us focused on race issues because we're not ever going to get ahead, but it's so much bigger than
black America. It's all of America and all of us focused on various issues. And so that was like my micro issue. I cared
deeply about wanting to wake up black America. And um also I was pretty passionate about the feminism thing too.
Charlie truly wanted to rebuild the RNC and make it palatable
for the youth and build an organization based on free markets and capitalism and showing the youth that like actually it's kind of cool to have a brain when
you're young too and to make conservatism hip I guess amongst a very liberal um
organ of college campuses and he did that he did that he that's what it was back then it was on the campuses.
Yeah. It was all about building disrupting college campuses which had become sort of these centers for indoctrination
and we just felt like we could we could change that. We could change the world and you know maybe one day Charlie was going to be president. I know his biggest goal at that time was he used to
listen to Rush Limbbo. Like Rush Limbaugh was his Roman Empire. Like really he loved Rush Limbaugh. And so
the way that I felt when Kanye treated me because I was always more cultural and I knew what Kanye me meant to culture for, you know, people like me
who grew up and didn't know if you'd sort of ever I don't know get out of the thing sort of so to speak
for him. He felt that way about Rush Limbaugh. And so when Rush Limbaugh sat on his radio show like mentioned there's this young guy Charlie Kirk. I mean
Charlie [laughter] was like made like that was his moment was just he listened to Rush Limbbo every day on the drive to
school when he was young. So that's who sort of shaped his ideas. So I I should say actually two people who I know who were conservative when they were young.
Charlie too apparently some things like my husband like what's what do you mean you weren't liberal when you were young?
It sounds so much more fun. Charlie was these are like these boy genius or whatever and so he was really shaped by Rush Limbaugh and yeah, you know, by the
end of his life he would be he would know Rush Limbaugh like on just pick up the phone and call him and he wanted to one day have a radio show. He he was
like, "Do you realize every day day in and day out just three hours of radio and the grind of that?" And he wanted to one day have his own show, Charlie, and
be like Rush Limbaugh. And so when he finally did it, when he did the Charlie Kirk show and it was doing so well, I knew that he would crush it cuz I was
like, "This is he was so passionate about building this." And it's [snorts] also why it it positively disgusts me to see what the show has become because it
is the opposite of what Charlie wanted it to be. It's the opposite of what inspired him. It's the opposite of what Rush Limbaugh was. Um, you know, but
that's why it's not doing well because nothing that's not real will survive.
Chapter 13: Leaving Turning Point & Public Controversies
My editor in there wanted me to ask you about the maroon shirts. The maroon shirts.
The maroon shirts. Do you have anything about this?
Mhm. No. I was the person who brought it to attention. They laughed at me and I know nothing about the military, but I just when I looked at the footage of
Charlie uh and what happened on September 10th, it struck me as highly unusual that there were so many men wearing maroon shirts.
Like it's not exactly a color that men wear all the time. And there were a lot of men, all of whom were alone, I might add, who were went to just hear Charlie
Kirk speak alone and they were wearing ruined shirts. And I just said to myself, "This feels like organization to me."
Like they're wearing maroon shirts to identify each other. And lo and behold, I then learned that um from military men
that when they do operations, it's a way for like they'll have a color of the day, which is a way for them to like identify each other if they're doing
something, whether it's, you know, covert operations or whatever. And I believe that those boys that were
wearing maroon shirts were all a part of the same I don't know if it's going to be like an overseas battalion, whatever it is that they're an identifier.
Mhm. And I even saw I have a tape of one uh person after the shot goes off bending down low and handing another guy
a maroon shirt which is even crazier which I haven't even uh I don't even think I spoke about on my show that just hands him a maroon shirt caught on just
the very bottom of the camera and I'm like passed around a maroon shirt after a shot goes off. That feels kind of weird. So there was an element which
makes sense that you would color coordinate so you know where to look.
Um, men just don't wear maroon that often is what I would say. Mhm.
Wow. Why did you wind up I mean it sounds like you really liked working there. Why did you leave?
Turning Point changed. Um, after the I mean it was a couple of factors at play, but Turning Point, like I said to you, I always love a startup vibe. It's fun.
There's more freedom. And um, after the Kanye tweet, and I'm saying this reflectively, hindsight is 2020.
Everything changed. Like Turning Point was suddenly on the map. Kanye put it on the map. Whether people want to recognize that or not, suddenly everyone's going, "Who is this Candace
Owens?" I love the way Candace Owens thinks. Well, Candace Owens was working for Turning Point USA. And suddenly money started coming in. They started telling, you know, Charlie needed the PR
person. He needed this person. He needed to get this woman Stacy Sheridan and donations. I mean, just like the whole thing became much more corporatized.
And I had warned Charlie about I didn't like some of the characters that were being brought around him and I didn't love the 501c3 world in general. It's my it goes against my natural character.
Charlie is was such a great diplomat and he would take the abuses from the donors. The bigger the check, the more
control is what I I recognized very quickly. And that's not a game that I I I think I'm naturally made to play. And
so a point arrived where and in retrospect it's interesting. Somebody had pulled an old tape of me and
presented it out of context for of me and Charlie in London where we were asked a question about nationalism. They stripped the question and they made it
look like I was on stage preaching about Hitler like and saying if Hitler just wanted to be in Germany that'd be great.
But I what I was saying was I don't they they said doesn't nationalism feel like a dirty word? like how can you say you're a nationalist and I was like Hitler wasn't a nationalist you know if
Hitler was like hey I'm just want to be in Germany and make America great like that wouldn't have been problematic he was a globalist he had global aspirations long story short they made
this video go viral out of nowhere and I always now go back to that and I wonder who did that and suddenly like a Jewish
group issued a a thing saying that I was like anti-semitic and it was it was so crazy and donors were calling him
telling him that like he needed to pull back away from me. It's so funny to think that this was another Zionist scandal. And at the same and I was so
shocked at this time because I had I mean I just grew up in a very Jewish I had never been accused of being an anti-semite and I
you were this was oh my gosh before I mean like I was like genuinely hurt and that's how it feels the first time you're called something that you're not before you realize it's
a political game, right? When someone's first like you're a racist or like you're an anti-semite, it is so shocking. Like I had Jewish best friends
growing up. I was just going like, how would they ever say this? Why would BuzzFeed make this video go viral? Why is there suddenly this group? Um, and I
can't remember. It was the Simon Weisenthal Center who issued a strong condemnation and they have a lot of power about my words and I'm like, why
are they all intentionally not showing the full remarks of what I was answering to? I didn't even say Jewish, nothing.
It just was about the question was, was Hitler a nationalist? Can we be nationalistic without being accused of being Adolf Hitler? There were
journalists in the room. There was no issue with it. And somebody very clearly went back and tried to find what they could scandalize. And I now have the
perspective that this was an intentional scandal that was made whole cloth out of thin air. Um, and to put pressure behind
Charlie and to sort of pull us apart in a weird way. Um, and so anyway, so I'm like I was genuinely like apologizing
like going this is what I meant. Here's the full context. Here's the full video.
And um, at the same time who arrived into my life and made me an offer and was like, we can help you, you know, fix
this was Prager University, a Jewish organization. And um, I that arrived as like and they offered me much more money
than I was working at making at Turning Point USA. And so it seemed like uh a perfect I had just gotten engaged as well and so like you know my ability to
kind of travel the country and do those things. So it seemed like a perfect storm to kind of take the next step. And sure enough I went to LA to meet with them and this is now one of the stranger
things that's ever happened. And I didn't think of it at the time. I was totally just baffled by the scandal. Um
Marissa, the CEO of Prageru, took me to the Simon Weisenthal Center, right? She said she could help make this go away or whatever. And she took me to the Simon
Weisenthal Center. And there was this guy. I'm going to say he was like a chief rabbi. I don't know. He was
dressed. He was very much the guy, if you know what I mean. They didn't speak a word of English. They spoke fluently in Hebrew. I just sat in the room as
they spoke and they went back and forth speaking in Hebrew. And then Marissa and I left and she said everything was going to be fine. And the scandal went away.
What?
It sounds so crazy that I did not even appreciate that it was crazy at the time because I just was like, "Thank you,
friend." Because I can't believe anybody would ever think I was anti-Semitic cuz that's and so I was so grateful and I
thought she was like using her contacts and being cuz the Simon Williams thought center had issued this whatever and that she was coming in to like basically tell
them it's not true. I don't know what they or I didn't know what they were saying. Went away.
Now I'm like, was it like, I'll handle this. We've pulled them apart. It's all good. Why do you think you were targeted?
Why do you think you were targeted to begin with?
I I think there is, and I'm fully in just reflecting on the way things went
down. Erica came into Charlie's life. A bunch of people were suddenly being put into Turning Point USA. girlfriend. Uh
the uh Stacy Sheridan, she's gonna raise more money and take things to the next level. Andrew Kovette, you need like
1 minutereal PR now. I mean, just like all of these characters, like a Hollywood cast was suddenly assembled. And um I think
there was a real panic about the power of any organization. You hit a level and they start paying attention. And I think
the Kanye tweet put put us on the map. they started paying attention. This could be a very powerful political organization. We need
to make sure that it's within our control. Gotcha.
And um I was always presented you play Prageru to control you.
I I that is my perspective in retrospect and I did not have that perspective while I was there and I also want to make it very clear I had a very good
working relationship there. It was not a I will say they were always honest about who they were. Like there's Zionist,
Marissa's former MSAD, you know. Um, [snorts] so they were never trying to pretend that they had like they were open to a different perspective on
Israel or anything like that or like anything. They were upfront about who they were and what their priorities were. And Marissa was very kind. Like if she was a handler, she was damn good.
That's why she probably was in the mad.
Like you know what I mean? like she the best kind of handlers is one that's you think is your friend. Um and I she was
there for me through a really tough personal time in my life as well. Uh and so it was that was a hard relationship for me to mourn in in many ways because
I'm I'm naturally, you know, not looking I don't open up to people about tough things that I go
through. And she was there for me for a really tough time. We had a perfect working relationship. So, I don't I I
don't want people to think that because of where I'm at right now, you go backwards and you're like, "Oh, well, things were not." No, it was like they
were fantastic. They ran very professionally. I had a great relationship with their C, even their COO, Lane Thrasher. They were all just great. I mean, I don't know what to say.
I had a a perfect She never wanted to talk about contracts. She was like, "If you don't want to be here, then you should go. Like, it's not going to work
for me to hold you here like you're a prisoner." Uh, I loved Prageru. It was great. Uh, did that for a couple years,
then again, kind of like a new season of life. Uh, had my first kid.
Now, hold on, hold on. Let's go back. How'd you meet your husband?
With was Charlie. This is a crazy story, but the same exact week that Charlie was having these dreams about dying or where
he was really deeply talking to me about it. I mean, he had the dreams over and over again, he said from the time he signed with Turning Point, but he was like it was a lot of things happened
that week. One, by the end of the week, Kanye tweeted me. Okay. Um, two,
uh, I had this over in the same way he was like, I'm going to die. I was just like, we should go to we need to get to
London. We need to go to the UK. No reason. We had no reason, no rhyme or reason to go to the UK. And I'm just started hammering him in April being
like, "We need to go to the UK. We need to go to the U. We need to go to the UK." June comes around. I'm sorry. I'm hammering him. We need to go to the UK.
He's like, "For what?" And I'm just like, "Just make up something to be there. I just feel like pulled to go to the UK." I have the messages. It's so crazy to read back. And so eventually, I
am feeling so pulled to go to the UK that I say to him, "Give me your credit card. I'm just going to book the flights cuz then you'll be forced to just make a reason for us to go to the UK." And I
did it. And I had never done that. Never booked flights. Never taken his card.
And I was like, "Now we're going to the UK, so find something for us to do." And he was like, "Well, I've been wanting to like build out Turning Point UK and kind of build out this international thing."
And um so we were hosted by who are now dear friends to us, John Mappen and Arena
Mappen. Charlie had been emailing with them and they said, "We'd love to host you because we need Turning Point in the UK." And I spoke. This is also the same
event that they would eventually pull the outofc context comments from. So this is December [snorts] and then they
would pull these comments in March of the following year and he got together a great group and I presented on stage and
my husband was in the audience and I just sort of looked at him and thought he was really cute.
It's actually really cute. And at the end, he came up to me and he said, "Hi, I'm George Farmer." And was like, "George Farmer's pretty cute." And that
was it. Never going to probably see him again. Next day I had um a um podcast,
Russell Brand, go out to the countryside, book the you know, as much media as possible. And then Russell
Brand like went over. It was like . and my assistant somehow had a
miscommunication with PJW. There was going to be this Turning Point UK launch dinner where a bunch of political players were going to be brought to the
room and PJW was supposed to be unbeknownst to me. I don't know if you know who he is. He's a YouTuber in the
UK. Um, and I didn't, long story short, I didn't know this was happening. Like, it was not in me and Charlie's calendar. We had
no idea it was happening.