Part 2 of 2
The five waiting men were clearly taken aback when Governor Bill Clinton stepped from the vehicle with his aide, Bob Nash, and led the entourage into the World War II ammunition storage bunker that would serve as the meeting place.
In a low tone, Cathey turned to Terry and said: "Shit! I was afraid he'd show up. That'll certainly upset our agenda. I'm glad Johnson is here. He'll be able to handle him."
The waiting group of five had expected Nash, but not his boss, Arkansas' Commander-in-Chief, Bill Clinton. By his mere appearance, Clinton was risking exposure of his involvement in unauthorized covert operations. But he seemed desperate.
The meeting had been called at Camp Robinson, an Army facility outside Little Rock, to get some problems ironed out. In addition to the governor and his aide, the "guest list" included Max Gomez (Felix Rodriguez), John Cathey (Oliver North), resident CIA agent Akihide Sawahata, Agency subcontractor Terry Reed -- and the man in charge, the one who would call the shots. He called himself Robert Johnson.Johnson had been sent from Washington to chair this very delicate operational briefing that would hopefully extricate the Agency from its entanglement in what was becoming a messy situation in Arkansas....Cathey began the briefing.
"Governor Clinton," he said switching to his toastmaster tone, "I'm glad you could attend tonight's meeting with us. We're both surprised and honored. Bobby (Nash) didn't inform us you would be attending ... However, let's get down to it....
Terry viewed this meeting as his initiation into the inner circle. But this impromptu appearance by Governor Clinton, however, would expose Terry to yet more things that he had no "need to know." It would also confirm his suspicions that operations in Arkansas were being run with Clinton's full knowledge....
"Gentlemen," Cathey said, "this meeting is classified Top-Secret. The items discussed here should be relayed to no one who does not have an operational need to know. I repeat Top-Secret. There are to be no notes taken."...
Johnson, Cathey said, was the personal representative of CIA Director William Casey and had been sent to chair the meeting. Casey was too important to show his face, Terry assumed. But he felt honored, and yet surprised, to find he'd been dealing with someone so closely connected to the Director of Central Intelligence, the top of the intelligence pyramid.
"Thank you," Johnson said. "As Mr. Cathey mentioned, I am the emissary of Mr. Casey, who for obvious security reasons could not attend. We are at a major junction of our Central American support program. And I am here to tie up a few loose ends. As you are all aware, the severity of the charges that could be brought against us if this operation becomes public ... well, I don't need to remind you of what Benjamin Franklin said as he and our founding fathers framed the Declaration of Independence ..."Cathey interrupted. "Yeah, but hanging is a much more humane way of doing things than what Congress will put us through if any of this leaks out." This marked the only time during the briefing that laughter was heard.
"This is true," Johnson replied. "And therefore, Governor Clinton, I'm going to find it necessary to divide this meeting into groups so that we don't unnecessarily expose classified data to those who don't have an absolute need to know. We can first discuss any old business that concerns either "Centaur Rose" or "Jade Bridge", and I think that you will agree that afterwards you and Mr. Nash will have to excuse yourselves ..."
Clinton was visibly indignant, giving the angry appearance of someone not accustomed to being treated in such a condescending manner.
"It seems someone in Washington has made decisions without much consulting with either myself or my aide here, Mr. Nash. And I'd like to express my concern about the possible exposure my state has as you guys skedaddle out of here to Mexico. I feel somewhat naked and compromised. You're right, there are definitely some loose ends!"...
Nash interjected: "Sir, Governor Clinton's concerns are that there may be some loose ends cropping up from the Mena operation in general. As you know, we have had our Arkansas State Police intelligence division riding herd on the project. And that has been no simple task. Even with some of our ASP officers undercover over there, we couldn't have gained any real inside knowledge had it not been for Mr. Reed's ability to report it directly to me. This thing about Barry Seal getting Governor Clinton's brother involved is what's got us all upset. I mean, as we speak, there's an investigation going on that could spill over onto some very influential people here in Arkansas, and people very close to the governor personally ..."Johnson looked like he was getting irritated. Clinton had not been scheduled to be there and his original agenda now was being discarded.
"Hold on!" Johnson shot back. "Calm down! Mr. Casey is fully in charge here. Don't you old boys get it. Just tell me what has to be taken care of, or who needs to be taken care of, and I'll fix it for you!"
Johnson boasted to the group that Attorney General Edwin Meese, by arranging the appointment of J. Michael Fitzhugh as U.S. Attorney in Western Arkansas, had effectively stonewalled the ongoing money laundering investigations in Mena where the Contra training operations had been centered. It was his impression, Johnson said, that everything was now "kosher" and the "containment" was still in place. Operations "Rose" and "Bridge" had not been exposed because federal law-enforcement agencies had been effectively neutralized. But Johnson said he was now concerned that the "drug" investigation there might expand beyond his control and unmask the residue of black operations.Now the meeting was starting to turn into a shouting match.
Terry quietly observed that Clinton appeared on the verge of losing his well-rehearsed, statesman-like demeanor. Stopping investigations around Mena had helped the CIA and its bosses in Washington, but it had not solved any of the governor's local political problems. And these same problems were threatening to unveil the Mena operations.
It was the spring of 1986, just over a month after Barry Seal's assassination in Louisiana. Clinton was facing a very tough and dirty reelection campaign. His Republican opponent was certain to be ex-Governor Frank White, the only man who had ever defeated Clinton. The newspapers were filled with stories about Clinton's brother, who had been convicted and served time from federal drug trafficking charges, giving White the dirt he needed to launch a serious and damaging political attack.
Roger Clinton had "rolled over" and turned informant, enabling the Feds to begin an investigation of investment banker Dan Lasater, a close personal friend and campaign contributor of Clinton's. This investigation, it was clear, could spill over into Lasater's firm, possibly exposing CIA money-laundering and other possible illegal activities. [1]The investigation of Clinton's brother had been carried out largely by disloyal state police officials who were backing White, and without Clinton's knowledge, when the inquiry was first initiated.
Terry wondered whether a "coup" was building? Clinton was clearly in big political trouble, and his demeanor now was not the cool and composed man people saw on television. Perhaps the CIA and the Reagan administration wanted another "presidente," a Republican one, in its banana republic?Rumors were also running wild that the bond underwriting business, in which Lasater was a major figure, had been used to launder drug money. In addition, candidate White had another big issue to run with. He would charge later that Clinton was directing choice state legal work as bond counsel to the prestigious Rose Law firm, where his wife, Hillary, was a senior partner. And Clinton had to be fearful that exposure of the Mena operations would be the death blow to his reelection hopes. And, if that weren't enough ammunition, the governor was also facing a possible state budgetary shortfall of more than $200 million.
By his comments, the governor's political problems and his potential exposure were clearly on his mind. Clinton showed his contempt for the young man from Washington as he lost his composure, jumped to his feet and shouted: "Getting my brother arrested and bringing down the Arkansas bond business in the process isn't my idea of kosher! You gents live a long way from here. Your meddling in our affairs here is gonna carry long-term exposure for me! I mean us. And what are we supposed to do, just pretend nothing happened?" He was angry.
"Exactly, pretend nothing's happened," Johnson snapped back. "It's just like the commercial, you're in good hands with Allstate. Only in this case, it's the CIA." Johnson paused, took a deep breath, and continued. "Mr. Clinton, Bill, if you will, some of those loose ends you refer to here were definitely brought on by your own people, don't you agree? I mean your brother didn't have to start shoving Mr. Seal's drugs up his nose and your friend, Lasater, has been flaunting his new wealth as if he's trying to bring you down. We're having to control the SEC and the IRS just to keep him afloat.
"Our deal with you was to help 'reconstruct the South,''' Johnson sniped, using a term Southerners hate, since it reminds them of the post-Civil War Yankee dominance of the South. "We didn't plan on Arkansas becoming more difficult to deal with than most banana republics. This has turned out to be almost comical."
"Bobby! Don't sit here on your black ass and take this Yankee shit!" Clinton yelled at Nash in an appeal for support. "Tell him about Seal bribing those federal agents!" It was getting to resemble a verbal tennis match as volleys were being lobbed, each one with more intensity. From the comment about Seal, Terry concluded that Clinton did in fact have his own intelligence network, too.
"Why, Mr. Clinton, with racial slurs like that, the federal government could terminate educational busing aid here," Johnson wryly shot back. "I thought Arkansas was an equal opportunity employer!"
Nash touched the governor's arm, coaxing him back into his chair.
Johnson continued, "The deal we made was to launder our money through your bond business. What we didn't plan on was you and your token nigger here to start taking yourselves seriously and purposely shrinking our laundry."
"What do you mean by shrinking the laundry?!" Clinton asked still shouting. By now, Clinton's face was flushed with anger.
To the CIA, Arkansas had to be a money-launderers' heaven. To understand why, one must realize that intelligence agencies have the same problem as drug traffickers. To launder cash, a trafficker must either find a bank willing to break the law by not filing the documentation required for cash deposits, or go offshore where reporting requirements are less strict. Like traffickers, once offshore, the CIA must use wire transfers to get their money into the U.S., but at great risk of detection.The trafficker, having broken the law to make his money, has no legal recourse if his banker double-crossed him. In other words, it's an insecure investment, which pays low interest, if any.
Arkansas offered the CIA something money launderers are rarely able to achieve, a secure business environment containing a banking industry where vast amounts of money move around unnoticed as part of the normal course of business. Through its substantial bond underwriting activities, the state had a huge cash flow that could allow dirty and clean money to co-mingle without detection. All they were lacking was the "dirty banker" to cooperate with them by ignoring the federal banking laws.
And that they found within the Clinton administration. This "banker" was none other than the Arkansas Development and Finance Authority, or ADFA, which was a creation of, and directly under the control of, the governor's office. Its official mandate was to loan money to businesses either already in or coming to Arkansas in order to develop an industrial base for new jobs that Clinton had made the centerpiece of his administration. ADFA, was in effect, a bank making preferred loans.
But, from what Terry had learned from Seal and Sawahata, that was not all ADFA was doing. ADFA, in effect a state investment bank, was being "capitalized" by large cash transfusions that the Agency was taking great pains to hide.
"No paper, no trail," seemed to be the dominate doctrine of the Agency's activities since, by design, cash dropped from an airplane in a duffel bag is not the standard way of transferring money.ADFA was designed to compete for the profits generated by the bond issues necessary to industrialize Arkansas. The old Arkansas Industrial Development Commission that Clinton had inherited had no money of its own, and was forced to send prospective clients seeking industrial development loans to the established, privately-run investment banking industry in Little Rock. The state could be very selective in its referral business, however, and those who received the state's business stood to profit handsomely.
This insider referral business was alive and well when Terry moved to Arkansas, and he saw Seth Ward's son-in-law, Finis Shellnut, jockey for a position to reap these profits by going to work for Lasater, who was getting the lion's share of the secret sweetheart deals.
Before ADFA's creation, the state sent preferred business directly to investment banking firms like Lasater's. All that was needed for money-laundering was the firm's silence and a source of cash, which, in this case, the CIA provided. The heads of these firms were a coterie of wealthy and well-connected people who got even richer by doing what comes natural in Arkansas, "The Natural State" as it's called ..... dealing incestuously under the table.
Arkansas desperately needed new businesses -- and so did the CIA. It had plenty of black money, but that alone was not enough. "You can't kill an enemy by lobbing dollars at him" was the phrase Cathey had used with Terry to explain the CIA's dilemma of having the monetary resources to fund the Contras, but no legal way to deliver it directly. The Agency was barred by Congress from converting the cash into weapons and training the Contras needed on the battlefield, at least not through traditional Department of Defense suppliers.
Under Director William Casey's plan, the CIA needed other companies that would be a source of secretly-produced weapons that would find their way into the hands of the Contras. These selected businesses needed payment to perform these services for the CIA, and that cash came to them conveniently in a legal and undetectable manner, through ADFA, in the form of industrial development loans backed by tax-free development bonds. The CIA should have been showing a profit through accrued interest on their secured investments. But a problem had arisen. As Johnson had said, the "laundry" was shrinking.
And Johnson was not happy about that as evidenced by the way he was firing back at Clinton. [b][u]It was apparent that Johnson knew Clinton and his people had not abided by his agreement with the Agency.
"Our deal was for you to have 10 per cent of the profits, not 10 per cent of the gross," Johnson sternly admonished Clinton.
"This has turned into a feeding frenzy by your good ole boy sharks, and you've had a hand in it, too, Mr. Clinton. Just ask your Mr. Nash to produce a business card. I'll bet it reads Arkansas Development and Finance Authority. We know what's been going on. Our people are professionals; they're not stupid. They didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday, as you guys say. This ADFA of yours is double-dipping. Our deal with you was to launder our money. You get 10 per cent after costs and after post-tax profits. No one agreed for you to start loaning our money out to your friends through your ADFA so that they could buy machinery to build our guns. That wasn't the deal. Mr. Sawahata tells me that one of ADFA's first customers was some parking meter company that got several million in ... how shall we say it ... in preferred loans.
"Dammit, we bought a whole gun company, lock, stock and barrel and shipped the whole thing down here for you. And Mr. Reed even helped set it up. You people go and screw us by setting up some subcontractors that weren't even authorized by us. Shit, people who didn't even have security clearances. That's why we're pulling the operation out of Arkansas. It's become a liability for us. We don't need live liabilities."....Clinton had paused for a moment to ponder Johnson's words. "What do ya' mean, live liabilities?" he demanded.
"There's no such thing as a dead liability. It's an oxymoron, get it? Oh, or didn't you Rhodes Scholars study things like that?" Johnson snapped.
"What! Are you threatenin' us? Because if ya' are ..."
Johnson stared down at the table, again took a deep breath, and paused. It appeared he wanted to elevate the tone of the disintegrating exchange.
"Calm down and listen," Johnson said. "We are all in this together. We all have our personal agendas ... but let's not forget, both the Vice President [George Bush] and Mr. Casey want this operation to be a success. We need to get these assets and resources in place and get them self-sustaining and prospering on their own while we have the chance. This is a golden opportunity. The timing is right. We have communists taking over a country in this hemisphere. We must all pull together and play as a team. This is no time for lone wolves. Mr. Seal is an example of what happens to lone wolves. They just don't survive in the modern world of intelligence.
"I'm not here to threaten you. But there have been mistakes. The Mena operation survived undetected and unexposed only because Mr. Seal carried with him a falsely created, high-level profile of a drugrunner. All the cops in the country were trying to investigate a drug operation. That put the police in a position where we could control them. We fed them what we wanted to feed them, when we wanted to feed them; it was our restaurant and our menu. Seal was himself a diversion. It was perfect until your brother started free-enterprising and now we have to shut it down. It's as simple as that. Mr. Seal was a good agent and it's a shame he's dead. But, hopefully, our new operation will build on Seal's success in sustaining our Contra support effort while goddamn Congress dilly dallies around as the Russians take over Nicaragua."
Clinton just glared back. "That was a good sermon, but what can you specifically do to end this investigation concerning my brother and the bond business?"
"Your brother needed to go to jail," Johnson said staring at the governor. "As governor you should intervene and make things as painless as possible now. As far as the money investigation goes, Mr. Meese is intervening right now. There will be no money investigation. The U.S. attorney's office (in Little Rock) is 'getting religion' as we speak. *
"There may be nothing we can do about your friend Lasater's drug problem. I suggest that he and everyone else caught with their pants down take the bad along with the good and do a little time -- as your brother has. It's a shame. But bartenders shouldn't drink. If some of our people are going to be in the drug business as a cover, they should do as Mrs. Reagan says and 'just say no'."Johnson had applied the balm and now the massage began. "Bill, you are Mr. Casey's fair-haired boy. But you do have competition for the job you seek. We would never put all our eggs in one basket. You and your state have been our greatest asset. The beauty of this, as you know, is that you're a Democrat, and with our ability to influence both parties, this country can get beyond partisan gridlock. Mr. Casey wanted me to pass on to you that unless you fuck up and do something stupid, you're No. 1 on the short list for a shot at the job you've always wanted.-- Compromised: Clinton, Bush and the CIA: How the Presidency was Co-opted by the CIA, by Terry Reed & John Cummings
They're out there and they're not really very powerful. And you can see this when in 1948,
Harry Truman wins election again, you know, the picture of him standing there with the newspaper over his head that says Dewey wins or Dewey beats Truman.
That is the Chicago Tribune printed those up ahead of time, because Truman had actually been the first American president to,
campaign in Harlem, which is a black neighborhood, primarily a black neighborhood.
Then, and everybody thought that would kill him with white voters. And it didn't it didn't because people were like, yeah, okay, we're on board of this. So,
it doesn't really take off until 1954 and in 1954, with Brown versus Board of Education, which used federal troops
and federal monies to desegregate the schools. At first it Brown v board and 54
is the Supreme Court saying that public schools must be desegregated.
And then in 1957,
Eisenhower sends the troops to Little Rock, Little Rock Central High School, to desegregate those schools.With that, there's a really key moment, because when that happens, those people who want to get rid of this government
say to white voters primarily who were the voters who are benefiting from this liberal consensus from the unions and from the the
the food benefits and from the new highways and from the good jobs. They say to them, see, we told you that this government was going
to use your cash, your tax dollars, and redistribute them to black people.
And that idea that this liberal consensus, this government that was designed to create wealth for all of us was actually
about cash giving cash from white people to black people, essentially in the 1950s.
And then, of course, it includes brown people and women. And you know, LGBTQ plus and so on.
What that what we are seeing now is the, the, the, the logical outcome of that all along,
those people who wanted to destroy this liberal consensus have said, we got to get rid of it because your tax dollars are going to those people
and starts, as I say, in the 50s, and it really takes off under Nixon and then under Reagan.
And then you get the Willie Horton ads under, George H.W. Bush, and then you get, George, George
W Bush with the, the, the, the dividing he was doing. And finally we get Donald Trump talking about criminals coming from Mexico
and making fun of, disabled Americans and, and, and making vile comments about women and so on.
But where we are now is literally what they were trying to do in the 1950s,
this unelected man is sitting in the, the, the, the bowels of our government
deciding what he thinks is doing what he thinks are programs
that are benefiting people of color and women and, and, and, disabled
Americans and, religious minorities and, gender minorities and so on.
And this is where the rubber finally hits the road. People like me have been saying all along,
based actually from me on something Lincoln said, if you start to say you people are not welcome in this polity
that is trying to create wealth for everybody, it is only a question of time
until you are one of those groups that is being shut out. And so what what Musk is doing and his people are doing
is they are literally saying, Department of Education. We don't need the department of Education.
Do you know the Department of Education does, among other things, it's the one that funds special needs,
that needs education and, provides grants to poor schools.
You know, especially poor schools. Well, you know, that is going to affect a lot of Americans
who probably thought that Donald Trump was a great idea. One of the things that they have said they are going to cut is,
as I say, these, these programs that are they said we're cutting religious stuff.
But one of the things that they cut seemed to cut is they say we don't know whether it's happened or not.
Is, an organization that that that gets grants to establish nursing homes,
and that's going to affect everybody, and it's going to affect everybody,
not just because, I mean, maybe you don't have anybody in a nursing home. I don't. But all of that money that we have used in our federal government
to support a society that grows wealth for everybody
means that if you shut down a nursing home, it's really bad news
for the people who no longer can have that level of care. It's also really bad news for the people who worked in the nursing home,
and who maybe drove people around from that nursing home and provided the food and the linens and, you know, the equipment to that nursing home.
But think about then what that does to the communities. So the people who work to the nursing home are no longer going to be buying coffee
at your coffee shop and on down across the American economy. What we are seeing here is the ultimate destruction
of the idea of this liberal consensus that was designed to use our government,
our tax dollars, us as a way to create a structure,
the roads and the hospitals and the schools and the safety net. Because if you have, you know, before we had Social Security
and you were an old, older person, not only were you in danger of starving to death, but you were a real burden on your kids.
Once we have Social Security, you actually can help your kids out. Or there's a reason for you to be living with them
because you actually have some payments that you can help with that household. This whole idea of creating this, this net
that is going to create wealth for all of us, we are seeing destroyed. In order for somebody like Elon Musk and those oligarchs in our country
to turn all of that wealth back into cash and to put it in their own pockets.
That's not going to turn out well for anybody. And so the bigger picture here is not well, I never really liked
the grant that went to, puppet theater. Anyway, I made that up.
I just thought maybe that was something somebody might say. That's a stupid use of money.
You may say, I don't care because I don't like that. But what you're not seeing is that
those grants are made by our representatives in Congress,
theoretically, to guarantee that we have created this consensus, this liberal consensus, that we will use our tax dollars
to create a world in which we have access to the resources to create wealth for all of us.
And that destruction cannot be done piecemeal. And again, what what what what Musk is doing is saying,
I'm going to tear it all down if I don't agree with it. Out he goes. And then if it turns out, you know that we need nursing homes,
we can bring in a weak private. The private industry will fill that in. But here's the kicker
this isn't X and it isn't a private company. It's a nation, and it's a nation, first of all, in which you can't stop
payments for a month and expect everything to be able to to pick up again.
I mean, you know this in your own life. What are you going to do if they if they cut veterans benefits, you know, just not eat for a month?
I mean, that's that is literally not how this works. So first of all, the hardship is extraordinary.
But second of all, you'll take down the whole system. And then of course, is is quite likely what a few of the
the oligarchs like Musk want. That's what Timothy Snyder said over the weekend in a great piece, he wrote that they want to destroy everything, leave us all helpless,
leave us all, you know, unable to function all divided. And they will sell the parts that are valuable
and keep the, you know, keep the money. And the rest of us are just on our own, and maybe we can create something
entrepreneurially, or we can just work for them. And you know, Tim Snyder put it in terms of, you should think of the government
like a car that maybe when you voted, you thought of the fact you were going into, to a mechanic shop
and you just wanted a tune up on the car because you didn't really like the way it was running. And so you voted for somebody to take it into the mechanic shop and change it,
and you drive into the mechanic shop, and the people who are there don't really look like mechanics, but you leave the car there
and you come back for it, and they tell you they have stripped it of all the parts that were valuable, sold those parts,
kept the money, and you should thank them for what they've done. And that's what we're looking at right now. So,
let me. Go here to.
What to do about it. Because I know people are completely freaking out. I want to start once again.
Musk is not elected. He has no more power to do this than I do. That's important to remember because
he's a funny character in that he is able to wield a lot of power
over the elected Republicans right now because he's threatening to to fund somebody to to run against him in a primary.
And so they're doing what he wants. But if he is able to do this, he doesn't need them anymore.
And they need to wake up to that because once he doesn't need them anymore, why should he keep them?
I mean, like I say, maybe, maybe for cocktail parties, but he's probably got his own friends for that.
So it's important to remember that he is not himself the person who has the authority to do this.
And the fact that the people who are really pushing this for him are six young people between the ages of 19 and 25.
This is not the Huns crossing the Alps. This is a group that is essentially launched.
It has launched as is in the middle of a coup against you and me in 300 and, 332 million Americans.
And there's seven of them. And that's an important thing to remember, because the question right now is not
whether you're a Trumper or whether you're MAGA or any of or whether you're Republican or whether you're Democrat or any of those things.
The first question is who elected Elon Musk? And that's a question to take to everybody, because right
now, Elon Musk and his gang of what did somebody just call them? Gizmo Crats somebody call them gizmo Crats, which I kind of like.
These people have access to your information and they, you know, they could if they wanted to.
I'm not saying they're going to, but they could stop any payments they want to. And literally I mean, is that something that matters to
is there anybody you know who would say, oh, I don't care, I trust them, you know, I, I and without leaving fingerprints, by the way,
if some tech people have been writing to me about about what you can do with that sort of power, and I will not
express more about that, but you could, you know, you can go in and start change and stuff
and get people in a lot of trouble really fast without leaving fingerprints on it. And, I mean, it's chaos is what it is.
Is there anybody who doesn't care about that? So the first thing to do
and I want to shout, give a shout out here to my friend,
Joanne Freeman, a scholar of the American Revolution, because I asked her last night,
you know, we are operating outside the Constitution, so the place to look is at the American Revolution.
When they didn't have a constitution, how did they mobilize people to understand what was at stake?
When we were talking about things like cheap tea, I mean, the the the monopoly that the Crown put on the tea from the East
India Company actually made it cheaper to buy than tea had been before. And how did you,
how did you convince many pre literate people of how to that this was important for them to boycott because it would give,
it would establish the principle that Parliament could tax the colonists without without them having a say there.
How did you do that? And what she said, I thought was really interesting. She said, governments
need popular buy in to be legitimate. They have to have people behind them in order to be legitimate.
And you see this with Trump. I was screaming about how he had a landslide. More people voted for somebody other than Donald Trump, than voted for him.
There was no landslide. You see it when he talked about how huge his inaugural,
crowd was, the first time around and his refusal to do a second inaugural. Probably because he recognized
he wouldn't have the kind of numbers that he would like to see there. You need to to be legitimate.
You need to have support. You need to have popular support. You can see this again, even in places like Russia, where
every time they hold an election, they get 87% support. Right. You know, that's not true. But they're trying to push that idea on their remaining supporters.
So nobody dares to turn out against them. So in this moment, make your voices heard.
That is any time any representative has,
a representative Senator has a town hall. Go to it. Any time they have any kind of a public event, go to it.
If you if they have open office hours or they're available in their offices, go to them.
And I would urge you a couple of things, just as I'm, I'm. Is it like, it's kind of a rabbit hole?
No violence, really, no violence. And that's not me being wussy.
That's that. If you study America, it's not true in other countries, but in America,
the United States of America, any time a movement turns violent, people turn against it.
So if you're being strategic, no violence. And, and, you know, behave with respect,
but make it really clear that you do not support Elon Musk having control of the United States government.
You can all you don't have to be there in person either. Call, call and everybody every day and ask to speak to
whomever is in charge of whatever it is you issue is you care about. Again, being polite and and, and overwhelm.
As you know, the you may not know, the switchboards went down in Washington yesterday because so many people called every day.
Keep that up. Keep that drumbeat going, and do it at the state level as well, because those people have contacts with the national level.
Make sure people know how you feel. Now another let me step back a little bit on another thing here.
Please don't yell at the Democrats. You can certainly say we want leadership or whatever,
but I promise you, they're doing the best they can. They do not hold power. So they're trying to gum the works up wherever they can.
And what tends to happen again in the United States is that,
people recognize that Republicans aren't going to change, so they yell at the Democrats, and it's really demoralizing.
People yell at me all the time because obviously they want to see changes and they're yelling at me about it.
I promise you, I have zero power to make a Democratic lawmaker do anything.
So yelling at me just makes me feel bad when I'm drinking my coffee, yell at the people who are causing the problem, yell at the arsonists
who are setting the building on fire, not at the people trying to put the fire out, but make your voices heard all the time.
Make sure you're out there and that people see this and that they see how enormously unpopular this is.
But I'm not done. There are other ways to get out. The word I said on Sunday that I thought people should make sure that their,
Republican voting family members and friends understand that Musk has taken control of all their private information.
And a lot of people, some people said it worked and people didn't know about that. Other people said they got a lot of pushback on that.
One of the things somebody said, they did was to go to their local bank in a red
district and say, what steps, you know, are you taking to protect my information?
And in the person did that, not expecting them to have an answer and they didn't. But the people there did not know what was going on.
And this was a way to say, well, haven't you heard that the Treasury systems have been breached and that Musk
has, has taken all or has access to all our private information? Now, again, people aren't
going to believe you the first time, but if you hear it enough times, people are going to start to pay attention because right now we need to demonstrate
that what is going on does not have popular support. Now,
Musk is the immediate problem and pushing on the senators especially. But the Republicans who are supporting them is crucial.
But I think the larger picture here is really important for people to understand that
all these years, people have thought that this government that what Trump calls the deep state, the swamp, you know, all these words that they've used for it
are their neighbors who are doing the work of creating a world
where we all have access to educations and health care and the opportunity to work hard and rise.
That's what the US government is. That is us working together to make it possible for our neighbors
to survive and to prosper, but also for ourselves. And the cutting of these programs, especially the Department of Education,
which Trump wants to get rid of. Congress doesn't. But Trump is going to try and get rid of it. U.S. aid, which has been enormously.
I mean, aside from the fact the morality of it, you can't have a better return on your investment than and then putting
less than 1% of the budget into programs in 60 countries all around the world that, for example, undercut ISIS.
I mean, that's that's part of keeping us safe.
That idea that that this government is there to protect and to support all of us
is, is not just to help our neighbors, but also to help us. And I think this is the point place that a lot of MAGA voters
jump ship and said, oh, no, no, no, this government is only helping, you know,
some racial, ethnic, religious, gender minority.
And I'm not one of them. I don't care. But now they're seeing that what's being cut
our nursing homes are money for roads are, education are the kind of money that will keep hospitals afloat.
Law enforcement grants, all those things that we did together
are the things that are currently on the chopping block. And what will happen and spatters right here
is that the the valuable parts Musk and his cronies
are going to sell off and keep the money from. And we're all back on our own trying to figure out how to survive
as a society with our all those pieces falling apart. And it's important to understand that, and it's important to talk about that
with people. I will I will be talking about it more. But really what we're seeing is the the logical outcome of
where we have been for the last 40 years, that idea that we would undercut the government by saying your tax dollars are going to help black kids
go to school, it's a waste of money that is now finally coming home to roost.
And we are seeing that the take down of that liberal consensus is the take down of the American society that we built after World War two
to make sure that everybody, everybody in society had access to the tools, the health,
the education and the infrastructure to enable them,
as well as all of their neighbors to prosper. And that's going to be a really important thing going forward, because this isn't just about,
whether or not you care about this particular thing or that particular thing. Americans need to understand that, that
this is what the federal government is and what the federal government does. And the Republicans have been really good for the last 40 years at doing things
like calling out one little tiny piece of one grant and saying,
did you really want your tax dollars to go to study? Here you go.
The mating habits of the Atlantic cod. You know, of course, you know, people would roll their eyes and say,
well, that's really stupid. Why do I care what the Atlantic cod are doing? You care what the Atlantic cod are doing because they're,
a major part of the, food chain in the Atlantic that has been utterly disrupted.
And the problem is nobody can figure out why they I mean, scientists are working on.
And maybe they've decided this by now, but two years ago, they couldn't figure out why they're not able to repopulate those banks with fry.
And it appears to be something to do with they actually have home ground, but that's what that home ground is.
It's been lost because of the destruction of those species in the 1970s. That's not about something stupid having to do with a little fish.
That's something having to do with the health of the Atlantic Ocean and that, you know, grants and funding are not just handed out
like checks when they're done, really through the federal government. It's a little different when, George W Bush went into Iraq or Afghanistan. But,
but that's what our representatives and the people they hire are doing with our money to try to make sure that we are secure,
as in it through our Defense Department defending us, our Defense Department, and that we have health
and Human services and that we have education
and that we have transportation and that, you know, you can go on through here, that we are operating with, as I say, this consensus
that we will use our tax dollars to create wealth for all of us
and not simply use them as cash to put in the pockets of a few oligarchs.
I. Again, I'm going to say just one more time here.
Things are bad, and, you know, I'm I'm I tend to be a glass half full person. This is a bad moment.
It is not over. You know, the the people who are throwing up their hands and saying it's over.
American democracy is over. Listen, I'm not happy about where we are. This is the worst place we have ever been as a country.
But it's not over. You know, as I say, power is sloshing around. The president is dotty, and he is not clear.
He's in control. You've got this rogue guy from South Africa running amok in the computers.
There's probably going to be fallout from that because my guess is, is they start messing around with computers.
Things are going to fall apart pretty quickly. There's a lot of places still where a lot is still not determined.
And I would urge you to look at the difference between that and a country like Syria was before
the fall of Al Assad a few weeks ago. You couldn't speak up.
You couldn't, you know, you were under the the finger of under the thumb of that guy who had these, these torture prisons and so on and so forth.
We're not there yet. Now, we could get there. I mean, I didn't talk at all about the other things that Trump has been doing, not least that,
he thinks he's been talk or he has been talking to El Salvador about taking not only undocumented migrants,
but also American prisoners, American citizens, which is so unconstitutional I can't even begin to articulate it.
Or the fact that his new secretary of defense, Pete Hegseth, refused to outlaw torture, during his confirmation hearings,
or the fact that they have opened a 3000 bed,
camp at Guantanamo Bay. And I make that that distinction. You need to read these articles carefully in the news.
It's not 3000 person, it's 3000 bed.
And people are making the assumption that those two things are the same things. And they are not.
You'd like to think that that that's what they're talking about. But it's 3000, 30,000, not 3030 thousand
bed migrant camp. All of those things could come to America, but we are not there yet.
We have pockets of resistance in the states. The state governors are doing in in blue states are doing a fabulous job.
We have foreign countries that are pushing back against the Trump administration. We have lawsuits being filed right and left.
We have people out, protest, and we have people calling so much they shut down the the, the circuit boards
yesterday or the switchboards yesterday in Washington DC. And we have, interestingly enough, not only independent media like me,
but we have, I think, a renewed interest on the part of
other forms of media in this story, because
one of the things that always kind of made me crazy about the Trump years is that reporters tended to chase everything Trump,
Trump said, because it was newsworthy and he was always off the wall. He's no longer the big story.
The big story is Musk. And what's happening to the government. And all of a sudden, if you're watching, which you may or may not be on,
on social media, especially on blue Sky, you've got all sorts of reporters saying to sources,
here's my my encrypted information, please let me know any information you've got.
And that is going to change the the media dynamic as well. So before you throw up your hands and say it's all over, it's not all over.
There are 332 million of us. Very few people want to see American democracy fall.
The people who are not standing against it in the Senate are cowards. And I will say that the Republicans are cowards and they need to find a spine.
He's going to come for you anyway. You might as well take a stand against him now and defend your constituents.
And I guess I will leave you with this. I've made this this comparison before.
I used to read a great blog, and one of the the people who wrote into it once
a year was a long haul trucker who was at the time was incarcerated. But he would write once a year, all the things that you should know
as a driver, not as a long haul trucker, but as a regular driver, because he'd seen everything. And, you know, there was stuff like, just so you know,
we can see inside your cars and we I've seen everything and just see you now, you know, here's this, here's that.
But one of the things he always said was, first of all, slow down five miles
an hour faster is not going to matter in terms of how fast you get there. And five miles slower could save your life.
So slow down. And the other thing he said is, he said, if you want to survive an accident, don't stop driving.
He said, you know, in in many accidents when somebody is coming into a bad situation, they panic.
They take their hands off the wheel and they cover their eyes. And he said 100% of the time that's a fatal accident.
You can't take your hands off the wheel and cover your eyes. You got to keep driving.
He said, you know, it may not turn out well for you, but it could be that the accident that you're pulling into slides off the side of the road.
Or it could be that there's a lucky bounce and you miss it, or it could be that you managed to steer around it.
Whatever you do when you are in a catastrophe, do not stop driving.
And that's the position we're in right now. We must not stop driving, and that's where we are.
If you need to take a break, do it. Make sure you're always with friends. Make sure that when you push back against these things,
you have a community around you to help you do it. Number of places where you can find formulas for talking to your your,
representatives on the phone for writing. Don't bother email. They throw that out. You can write letters, you can write postcards.
Calling and showing up are the most important things to do. There are a number of organizations where they will help you build
what they call squads for example, at Red Wine and Blues so that you're not alone. There are all kinds of places that will help you organize,
but for right now, let's just keep driving.
Thank you for being here. I'll see you again soon.