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In a 2004 interview, Tony Podesta listed as one of his very favorite artists a sculptor named Patricia Piccinini.
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In another interview, Tony Podesta named the British “artist” Kim Noble as one of his other very favorites. Noble suffers from schizophrenia and dissociative identity disorder (multiple personality disorder), and creates crude drawings of extreme sexual abuse, mostly of children. Noble herself was viciously sexually assaulted repeatedly between the ages of 1- and 3-years-old, and has spent much of her life in and out of mental institutions.
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Epstein's Niece Exposes ALL From Bill Clinton to Cult of Baal Exclusive with Anya Wick - Podcast 771
by Shaun Attwood
Transcript
[Anya Wick Epstein] I am Jeff Epstein's niece. Bill was on the flight logs because he went to the island. Jeffrey also went to many, many other places where me and other children were present. I believe he wanted to talk more about the other parties involved. And I know he didn't kill himself. I'm not sure whether they let him go and get plastic surgery and flee the country, or if they did kill him. But I do believe he was a pawn, and that his story blew up in the media to keep people from looking beyond him. If Jeffrey was the one villain in charge of it, then he's dead. It's all over. Everything's good now. MK Ultra is the practice of creating slaves with a severed memory. Many of whom were my siblings, who I only got to see at family reunions, when I would rush home from school to watch them on TV. [Music] I moved back to New York City because my ex-husband had a scheme to try to allow me to speak about some of this in court, since court testimony can be used as evidence to potentially open up a criminal case. But when I got to the hearing, I was only allowed to say my name and address, and the judge refused to let me speak beyond that. When we had gone to the FBI a couple years ago, they interviewed my father and said, "Oh, he said nothing happened, so we're going to close this case." Every successful politician who is born into this world have a vested interest in keeping it quiet. The cult of Baal, BAAL -- My family masqueraded themselves as Jewish publicly, but behind closed doors, at Passover dinners when I was drugged, would admit we are Satanists.
[Shaun Attwood] So, I am here with Anya Wick, Epstein's niece, and I've been watching Anya on
Tik Tok. The link for her Tik Tok is in the description box. So, please support Anya's work. And, you know, my partner
Jen uh has been really like just amazed by your story as well. Harrowing a lot
of it. You know, there's components in there. For example, Bohemian Grove and and other extreme things that I'm
sure will fascinate the viewers. But uh before we get to all that stuff, you know, viewers, uh disclaimer, harrowing
content warning and because of restrictions on my channel, Anya, I've got to make sure you give us permission to publish this video and you wave your
anonymity.
[Anya Wick Epstein] Of course. Of course. Okay. Okay.
[Shaun Attwood] So, before we get to
what you've been through, do you want to just set the table a bit and let the view viewers know what it was like for
you growing up?
[Anya Wick Epstein] Yes, of course. Um, so my name is Anya Wick, but at birth I was Ana Beth
Epstein. I was born in a house in Boulder, Colorado.
In 2015, I changed my name to Owen Theodore
Epstein. In 2020,
I changed it again to Anna Petrova.
I had realized what I was surrounded by my entire life and thought I could hide from it.
And I married a man named Wick, kept that name, and
decided to start going public with my story just a few months ago.
I had chemically driven amnesia the majority
of my life. I am Jeff Epstein's niece, and I was raised as a sex slave.
My father had me separated from my mother and twin
brother and administered a substance that was designed to sever my memory.
Every time I was taken to or family vacation or trip to the cabin in
the mountains, I was given this drug upon which everything would come flooding back.
But when it wore off, so would the majority of my memories of it. And I
would try to go to school, perform with my bands, be a regular person. Um,
but it broke me subconsciously. I knew something was very wrong, but I
had internalized it on myself. And after attempts in 2015,
I got away from the slavery I was in by
taking testosterone, transitioning to male I left Colorado in 2017
and started piecing together back memories I had assumed were only nightmares
in about 2020. That's the very short version of my story. And Sean,
we could come at this from any angle, any point of time in my autobiography. I
invite you to just ask what you are curious about.
[Shaun Attwood] So, let's slow it down then and just go
back to the beginning again. How old were you when you first realized that
things weren't as they should be?
[Anya Wick Epstein] I had awareness of this in grade school. I remember
my supposed seventh birthday. I was actually already 10 years old.
Let me backtrack. Um, my father and stepmother
had a baby girl in 1991 who was raised by another family.
1998, they signed me her birth date on my birth certificate, which they waited 10 years to file,
claiming my stepmother was my biological mother, and finally put me in school in the
gifted program, telling me I was tall. I thought it was very strange that my
mother was so callous with me. I knew it wasn't normal that I wouldn't let her touch me on the shoulder.
and I felt worlds away from my peers. I remember in the first grade sitting there
journaling. I don't feel seven. I feel much older.
I feel at once like there's something I'm missing that the rest of my classmates all understand
and that I've lived a lot more than them. Um, I remember being on the schoolyard
talking with my few friends about what would it be like if you were tortured and didn't know it. Like, what
are you talking about? Um, I got in trouble with my friend's mother
for drawing stick figure at a slumber party.
Of course, it shouldn't be the child's fault if they've had exposure to anything like that, but I took the blame
instead of my parents. Um, I always knew something was wrong.
But because my regular life, you know, my parents were upstanding
citizens, my father was a divorce attorney, my mother was on the PTA. I thought I
was the problem. I had some memories I retained.
But because of the nature of the substance I was on made that reality so different than my
regular life, I thought these were nightmares that I was sick
and I didn't tell anybody. Why do you think your family got involved in these things?
It goes back for generations. It goes back for generations. Um,
I remember my father confessing that my oldest brother is
eight years younger than him.
Is cyclical with men especially when they stifle it,
they repeat the patterns, which I don't see as an excuse. I'm not
a [Music] But of course this happens with men. Um
and power and pressure to conform
is excellent as a tool for silencing people.
They told me that we belonged to the cult of ball
ba apostrophe a l. They told me this with consistency
while I was being abused. Now, what you can look up about the cult of
ball information that is publicly available is that it is thousands of
years old. It is a Phoenician satanic fertility cult.
And publicly, it's supposed to have been eradicated,
but To my knowledge and my experience, it is not um
this is what people perceive the Illuminati to be. It is
a group of elites that practices
forced and uses these crimes to control people.
They happen to have a huge reach over politics and entertainment.
My great-grandfather. According to my father
was Walt Disney. Before he moved to the United States,
his name was Artur Bick. A R T U R B I C K E.
and his twin sister who he had children with, who I am
descended from, was named Minnie.
That's where we get Mickey and Minnie Mouse. It's very cute, right? Except for
when you consider the abuse that I suspect is still
happening to children who go into the entertainment industry, children who are
born into it. Um,
my father was abused by his parents and
I was raised going to these giant
where I would meet other children who were put on television.
I was raised getting taken to Bohemian Grove
where I was after a ceremonial corpse burning Alex Jones
has talked about and my memories of these
circumstances are still somewhat fragmented.
These assaults happened a couple times a month and I'm blessed not to remember every detail
but my father was consistent in what he told me. Um
it's hard for me to talk about. I
I want to just answer your questions honestly.
as my answers align with what I was told and what I have experienced.
Now, this is alleged when birth certificates have been
forged. It's not something I can immediately research myself.
All I have to go on is what lies in my memory of who I have met
and what I was told.
But to answer your basic question, why my family does this? Um
because it was done to them. Because
having one man bear as many children in a generation as possible
and forcing them through these traumatic events. Uh they believe it creates a
stronger bond, that creates more loyalty, that it keeps people from talking.
And for the most part, they're right because I'm the only one of my siblings who has
directly spoken out about this. There are people who have hinted at it in
their music. Um, of course, Justin Bieber has talked
about being assaulted by Usher and Justin Timberlake
at P. Diddy's parties, but I don't think it's a coincidence they've only gone after Shawn Combmes.
and not his other alleged perpetrators who were born into the bloodline.
There seems to be a level of protection for people who are simply born into that
world contrasted with people like Shan Colmes or R. Kelly
who joined as adults. But I was not in the boardrooms.
I was a child on drugs. So I can't tell you exactly who
organizes this, exactly how it happens.
It's just speculation and memory. And yeah, you're a very powerful speaker
and you're very well researched and we've had a lot of survivors come on and we salute you, you know, for for the
level of detail and knowledge that you have. I think it was David Ike who woke me up to the ancient cults and the
bloodlines that continue to this to these generations. And I think you're
the first survivor perhaps who's actually detailed how that has continued
over the ages. So if you could maybe expand on that a little bit. I think the
viewers would find this fascinating. What specifically would you like expanded on?
So what was the cult that you the that you mentioned earlier? The ancient one. The cult of ball. B A B A L.
Yeah. I know very little about it. I My family masqueraded themselves as
Jewish publicly. Um, but behind closed doors, you know, at
Passover dinners when I was drugged would admit, we are
Satanists. Now, what I can understand, um,
the public has caught on to this, but they call them the Illuminati.
And I find that interesting because Illuminati means illuminated.
I perceive the Illuminati in fact to be individuals like yourself,
other conspiracists like Alex Jones, even people like Kanye West who have been trying to illuminate people to
this. I do not believe it is a unified organization
but a loose collection of individuals who are illuminated to the cult of ball
who has successfully mythologized themselves
as the Illuminati and convinced people that
they are shapeshifting reptilians. you know, myths that can be perpetuated
by the psychedelic nature of the tool that they use to abuse victims,
which is used to delegitimize people who catch on to what they have been doing.
And to be truthful, it was a reason I was anxious to come on here. Um, you
know, when people talk about seeing men turn into lizards, it
makes everything seem a little bit more delegitimate. Now, when someone has been given
a powerful drug, their minds can experience something
like that. They can witness something like that. And it's something that kept me very confused as a child. I'm
in the material world in this plane. I'm being assaulted by my father, my uncles,
my cousins, but my mind is somewhere else. My mind is going on this fantasy ride.
And when I awake, I'm very confused. Um,
I also believe there are people who have talked about these outlandish,
metaphysical, impossible experiences intentionally to derail conversations
about the cults and their power in media and politics.
How prevalent are these Satanists in high society? And are they disguised?
Yes. Um, they
control so much more than I think even I can
understand. Um, I told you my father
boasted that his grandfather was Walt Disney. Now, I remember when Viacom
bought Fox, but Fox held a hard line on not selling
the news station. Steve raged and cried for a month
because that would have been a full monopoly on the American news market.
I remember meeting all sorts of politicians, American and
foreign, and entertainers. And as far as that goes, I'm happy to
answer honestly if you want to ask me about specific people, but I am very scared to name individuals if I am
unprompted. Yeah. If you say if if you say you've met somebody, um
there's no legal consequences of that. Okay.
Yeah. So if you if you want to tell us who you've met um and the viewers can just imagine, you know, what what was
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I do have fragments of memory of only once
meeting the royals on the one trip I took with my family over to the UK. And
[Music] It must have been 2005 or 2006.
I can't remember if it was the summer I went into the eighth grade or into the ninth grade.
I have met everyone who has been an American
president in my lifetime. including
Donald Trump, who I have to say looked like he was at a funeral when he
was at the inauguration the second time around. So, I don't think he wanted any part of it.
I have met
the Kardashians, which is why I believe Kanye West has appeared to have gone off his rocker.
I have met Harvey Weinstein the same night I met Jeffrey and Gilain
and he wouldn't make eye contact with me. He did not want to participate in the
abuse of the small children. I believe that's a man who is behaving
as most Hollywood producers do. She doesn't make what he did with those
actresses. Okay. But it looks to me like this is a man who was an easy scapegoat
who wanted to expose what takes place with children in the
industry and with our family. There are a lot of people like that who
have been vilified as and while they are not innocent
it's like choose your evil um
Jeffrey was not a hardcore he was guilty for what he did to those
teenagers but my family
ritualizes the of three-year-olds, which Jeffrey was not privy to.
[Music] My twin brother
was raised on the Disney Channel. That was painful for me.
We were separated when we were four and I didn't see him until he was on TV.
with the pilot episode in which
he pimps out his sister for a trading card.
There's a sequence of shots where the words royal tycoon flash on screen,
followed by a clip of the gross nerdy boy he tricks into going on a date with
plunging himself into a baby's crib. Um,
and he's been in the media for
making trouble on sets and abusing his partners and um,
not saying his behavior is justified, but when you consider
what someone like that goes through as child and the separation issues that I put on them,
it makes sense why abusive behavior is then repeated. And uh
you know, I pray for him regularly. I am anxious to talk about my siblings
because they are victims. especially when they're like I want
them to feel that it is safe for them to speak up, but I don't want to feel like I am
betraying them by naming them directly either. And I've already talked about on
my Tik Tok channel. I've talked a little bit about the last
time I saw my mama, last time I saw my mother. Um,
I was getting by Larry, you know, it it sounds like a comedy
line almost and I've used it as a comedy line. I enjoy my standup. It's healing
for me. Um, but I decided before coming on here,
I wasn't going to with few exceptions. Um,
I didn't want to name anyone unless you asked me about them. I think there are a lot of people the public
speculate on. Um, and if you bring them up, I'm happy to
talk about them. But yeah, so I think the view I think the viewers I think the viewers would be
very curious then about Jeffrey and what's your what's your view on
his role in the apparatus?
My understanding is that he, you know, I I met him in Aspen in 2007
and that was a reintroduction. Um, you know, my father said, "Hey, remember your uncle Jeffrey?" And Jeffrey said,
"Hey, Anya, it's great to see you again." Gelain was there. Um,
what they told me was that Jeffrey worked for Steen.
And as I've said, he's guilty for what he did to those teenage girls here in New York City and down in
Florida and St. Andrews.
But I do not believe he was in charge of orchestrating
what has been gone on in our family for generations.
With my experiences, I
believe he
wanted to talk more about the other parties
involved. And I know he didn't kill himself.
I'm not sure whether they let him go and get plastic surgery and flee the country or if they did kill him,
but I do believe he was a pawn and that his story blew up in the media
to keep people from looking beyond him.
If Jeffrey was the one villain in charge of it, then oh, he's dead.
It's all over. Everything's good now. And that leaves my father free to
continue threeyear-olds
and running Viacom from behind a veil while his parallegal runs his divorce
practice. as he bragged about to me growing up.
So, you're saying that Jeffrey wasn't involved in the full-on occult practices. He was just part of a machine
and then they just used him to make an example out of He was involved in the full-on occult
practices, but not necessarily of his own valition. I have memories of men
being forced to assault me when they didn't want to.
I remember one man this brilliant comedic actor actually his better dramatic work um
my father's screaming at him um telling him to
penetrate me and he he makes one thrust and backs away and my father gets
outraged and says you're going to come you're going to come. And this poor man is crying throughout it and I'm barely
conscious. Um, Jeffrey may have been involved in the
full-on oult practices, but
he's not one of the hardcore
of this sickness where they are actually attracted to small children.
Yeah, Lady C mentioned that as well about heapile or something versus
So, in terms of Maxwell then, who do you think uh what do you think her role was?
I think she enjoyed it much like my stepmother did.
I think she is as guilty of as Jeffree was.
But I didn't know her very well. I don't even remember a conversation with her.
I remember seeing her. I think she got off on the power of it.
I think um I think with men who engage
and heilia, it's more of a sickness that arises from their own abuse. Um like
uh my grandfather, my alleged grandfather,
Walt's son who worked for the CIA, um allegedly
faked his death to remove himself from my mother
because he was so sickened by what he could not control doing to her.
I contrast that with my stepmother
who delighted in abusing me and laughed at me when I was
incapacitated by the drug they had me on and made fun of me drooling on myself
being unable to speak. Um,
I think with her and with Gilain,
I'm certain they were abused as children themselves, but there's a different kind of
psychopathy that grows within them where they get off on the power of it
and abetting in these acts to please their partners.
Now, Ki Epstein was more sexually attracted to me than she was to her husband,
Steven, but she did also do these things in
order to stay in good graces with him.
And that was more out of survival. Um Kari was a very broke chist in her early
adulthood with no familial support whereas Gilain also comes from the aristocracy.
She had access to her own funds independent of Jeffrey. So I can't speculate too much on what she gained
from it out of psychopathic pleasure
and sadism. a shot in Freud
of sorts, but I'm not a doctor.
She was not a large presence in my life.
That speculation on her personality is primarily based on what I know about my stepmother.
So would you say then that some of the techniques used on you would be classified under the MK Ultra program?
Yes, absolutely. Could you explain that? Could you explain that for viewers who are not
familiar with MK Ultra? Okay. Um,
[Music] these drugs were administered to me when I was an infant.
Macro doses were given every single time I was assaulted
and I was kept on micro doses the rest of the time in my waking life
um to maintain some control some separation from my peers.
I actually didn't realize until very recently
that I was kept on macro do micro doses that I was kept on a small dose in my regular waking life.
Upon analysis of what would happen when I went on school trips away from Denver for a few days at a
time. We would take trips to Washington DC or New York or California.
On those trips, after three or four days, I would actually start getting along
with my classmates. They'd be amazed. They'd say, "Wait, Anya, you're really cool and fun and we like hanging out
with you." And I would end up being the center of the group. And not understand
why suddenly I'm connecting socially, but then we'd go back home.
I'd see my family again. And then the next time at school or at synagogue, I'd feel in my own weird little bubble
again. Um, so I was put on these large doses
designed to knock me out when I was assaulted,
small doses to keep me complacent the rest of the time. What this did essentially was
sever my memory. Everything that happened to me, everything that was boasted about to me
that occurred on those large doses was locked away
in what I thought was a nightmare fantasy world.
I was primarily unconscious for the physical assaults. And if I was awake, I was so high, I
thought it was my own nightmares. This ensured
I wasn't going to go telling anybody about it.
This ensured I thought I was sick,
you know. So when they paid a doctor to tell me that my PTSD responses like
[Music] jumping when my stepmother touched me were bipolar.
I believed that. I believed it was my fault. Um,
when I went to rehab in 2015 and was diagnosed with PTSD,
right off the bat, the doctors were frustrated with me because I couldn't tell them what traumatized me.
I was beating my head against the wall and all I had going on my head. I was stuck
on this idea that if I were born male
I would be happier because my experience of womanhood
I knew subconsciously was slavery.
MK Ultra
is the practice of creating slaves
with the severed memory. Many of whom were my siblings
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Me not the only twins. Most of us are separated.
I think I'm one of their only unsuccessful experiments because what they do is they take one of
the twins, make them a child star
and watch the other hone their craft independently so they
can rise to the level to reunite with them as adults.
And it works because going through that trauma together.
No one else can understand it.
And that's part of the reason why I've been so anxious to do this podcast. There is still
a door for me that I can push open
if I choose to stop exposing this industry where people who love me
want to see me again. Um, and they do love me.
I know I'm in a situation where I'm struggling right now, but
they can't call me up because that would be to acknowledge how we met each other, right?
But they do love me. I remember in high school,
one of my younger brothers brought to one of the reunions
this little metal card he made in his metal shop class. Um
engraved on one side was his name and on the other was the name of my
boyfriend. And he said,
"I made this for you so you can try to remember. Hide this on
you. Hide this in your underwear or in your bra so you can find it when you get back
to the house in Denver. Don't let your parents see. Don't let your brothers see.
[Music] And it works.
After the drugs had worn off, I found this and I remembered who those boys
were to me and I started packing up bags so I could run away to Hollywood.
But my younger brother found it and showed Ki
who gave me anesthesia and threw it away.
K Ultra because forging these trauma bonds
forges more loyalty. And
99 times out of 100, victims will choose
being with other victims over trying to speak.
to eventually prevent there being more victims.
And I'm talking to you because the children who are going through it
right now one day are going to wonder why nobody cared
enough to try to stop it, to try to say something.
Now, they'll either find me or
they will choose to keep their mouths shut because they will understand
why for the most part victims of MK Ultra choose loyalty over truth.
That's why. Yeah. And you what? And it allows them to maintain media control.
The first thing you see when you walk into Steve and K's house is a giant
poster of Vladimir Lennon.
They boasted that one of my brothers is in fact the oldest son of the queen
of Jordan, where I have been.
Now, that's just alleged, but if it's true, it could explain why Israel and Jordan
are allies. And considering that, and considering
my father's love for all things Russian,
it makes it look as though all of these wars
are just for show. designed to keep public perception off
of this sphere of control and to keep money circulating through
different industries.
So Anna, why did you decide to start speaking out and what challenges have you faced?
I decided to start speaking out because I don't want any children
in my family to have to continue growing up
wondering why they don't think that's their real
mother or their real father because I can't stand the pain of
knowing what those girls named pain and help are going through.
And the challenges I faced are what I've described with
loyalty, with wanting to see my siblings, and maybe wondering, okay,
is it better for those children going through the same abuse now
to simply have a loving adult in some capacity in their lives?
or for them to grow up and know that someone tried to speak for them.
I am still split in half on that.
The consensus in my soul about what the right thing for those children is is as split as my memories used to be.
Other challenges, you know, it's you look at me and say, "Oh, well that's not true. She's crazy."
You know, 90% of the people who found me on TikTok know I'm telling the truth.
Look up a photo of Shia's mother and see that we are identical.
Um, you know, they understand that you cannot Google the truth if someone is
claiming the official records have been forged.
But of course, the only proof I possess is in my DNA.
getting anyone to do an A test isn't something I can do. Um,
I moved back to New York City because my ex-husband had a scheme to try to allow
me to speak about some of this in court since court testimony
can be used as evidence to potentially open up criminal case. But
when I got to the hearing, I was only allowed to say my name and address, and the judge refused to let me speak beyond
that. When we had gone to the FBI a couple years ago,
they interviewed my father and said, "Oh, he said nothing happened, so we're
going to close this case." If every
A successful politician is born into this world. They have
vested interest in keeping it quiet. Now you have a woman who
because of the severity of the trauma that did happen. Yeah. It's just fiction.
suffered mental health problems, PTSD.
It's incredibly easy to paint me as insane. And my answer to that is,
why would I choose to talk about something so vile?
If it weren't real, I'm not profiting from this.
If I choose to let this interview go, I'm cutting myself out of the only
industry I have any sort of talent in
and the people I am closest to. Um,
it's fear. I
I cannot convince people
that Shawn Combmes was not acting alone
when I don't have proof. I don't have the video. It's probably at Larry David's house,
you know. Um, I wasn't able to record
the ceremonies at Bohemian Grove because I was rope bound.
They set up the abuse in a way to guarantee I was not going to be able to collect evidence while going through it.
All I have is my word and my DNA.
Why did you choose Tik Tok as a medium? Um
[Music] because
taking an artistic route, which I'm still working on. I'm still
trying to finish my screenplay. here. I'm still doing my standup just as my own outlet
would make my voice just another drop in the bucket of voices who have told the
truth through art in a way that will make it dismissed as fiction or as
humor. and
Tik Tok. I I didn't expect it to take off the way
it did. I first posted a video back in August
that got suck in 200 views.
Um, I chose Tik Tok because
it was not controlled by MA.
And I do believe the gentleman who owns that
initially founded his companies because he wanted to give some freedom to the people.
But it got bigger than his vision.
The United States wouldn't be trying so hard to get rid of Tik Tok
if Tik Tok were not granting more free speech
than the United States is comfortable with being in the hands of the public.
No one heard me until I went on TikTok.
I really care about the new song. So, we had uh ex wizard Satanist from
Bohemium Grove on uh a couple of weeks ago and he me he mentioned uh he told us a
story about the Clintons at Bohemium Grove. Did did you have any experience of the Clintons or at
Bohemian Grove? I have met both of them and their
daughters at Bohemian Grove. and at
resorts in Colorado. They loved going to ski lodges in the
offseason. They were not there in Aspen 27 2007
after the comedy festival. That's one I remember most vividly.
But it's all fuzzy. I don't know if we were in Steamboat or in Breenriidge, but I've met them a few times and
boasted all the time about how well she got along with Bill. Um,
she boasted about that even when we were sober.
So, Bill tried to distance himself from Jeffrey. Do you think there was a lot more going on between them?
Absolutely. Absolutely. I can't tell you what exactly,
but Bill was on the flight logs because he went to the island. He also went to many, many other
me and other children were present. It's just fact.
Yep. That's what Virginia said as well. Yes.
Do you think the death of Virginia is suspicious? Say that again. Pardon me. You think do
you think the death of Virginia is suspicious? Yes, I do. I
of course of course to survive a car crash and die in her home a few weeks
later. It had my viewers scared about me. Um,
what's protected me is my stating
that if they hurt me, it will only validate what I've been
talking about. That claim is keeping me safe.
if they did have an any tension of hurting me before,
they can't now without it making my voice a bigger story. 17 years.
And on the other side of that, um, a lot of them love me.
We grew up together. It's tragic.
I don't remember ever meeting Virginia. But that doesn't mean I didn't.
She may have been a cousin or a sister. I don't know. But I know she spoke the truth
about what Jeffrey and Gilane put her through. And I think she was gearing up to speak
more. I do not think that death was a coincidence. I do not believe that was suicide.
She had two young children.
She had two young children and she had already dedicated her life to speaking for other victims.
There is no reason she would have killed herself. And I know some of her family said it
might have been, but money talks.
Would you say that most people at the top of politics are compromised?
Yes, without a doubt. Without a doubt.
I know exactly who Donald Trump was talking about when he spoke of the New York elites during his first campaign
cycle. He had no mention of them during the re-election
because after that first presidency he realized he had no pull on his own strings and he was not going to be able
to do anything to expose this. I believe Obama wanted to do a lot more
that he promised in his campaigns as far as reasonable socialization of
our resources, you know, to bring us up with the rest of the developed world
when it comes to providing housing and health care and basic human rights and
found his hands tied because in America
people must be kept poor and busy. So they don't realize how much more power
they have when they are unified.
And and would you say that these politicians who are compromised it's of a sexual nature mostly
when people if politician is not born into the cult
they are forced to engage in criminal acts or submit
themselves so that those who are born in trust they
cannot snitch on what they are witnessing. because the families got dirt on them,
too. We see the same thing in Hollywood and in the music industry. Um, there's a
long tradition of black men wearing dresses after they make it famous. It's not because they're
forced to wear a dress. because they're using that to communicate with each other
and tell their viewers, I had to submit to get here.
Which takes us to the portrait of Bill Clinton in the dress at Jeffrey's house. What was the significance of that?
Bill has engaged in
sexual acts where he was on the receiving end
and there's the metaphorical submission.
Um, he was likely forced to engage in acts against children that he didn't
want to engage in, which is associated with weakness, which
unfortunately is associated with femininity.
I didn't want to be a woman because I had it drilled into my head that female
meant you must submit.
And unfortunately, it's what we're seeing pervading through society now masquerading itself as
feminism. Uh, the ideology I fell for,
the ideology that saved my life states,
"Your gender, your personality
is not biologically determined, but is a social construct designed to
uphold the patriarchy. Your body or your sex
does not determine your gender or personality.
But you must change your body if it is not
congruent with your socially constructed personality.
inadvertently reinforcing those
patriarchal standards that are not biologically determined that we are supposed to be fighting.
Men put on the dress after they are forced to submit. Whether that means giving their bodies or taking
a body that they do not want to take. And we associate that submission with
femininity, which is a sickness for men and women
alike. It hurts men who do not want to be predatorial,
and it hurts women who do not want to be victims. It hurts young boys who are sensitive
and young girls who don't want to be objects. But
agency saves lives.
Taking testosterone is when they stop selling me. It saved my life.
I think most people who adhere to that ideology do so because they've reached a breaking
point where they cannot exist in toxic masculinity anymore.
because they cannot continue bearing the pain of being a woman. A woman woman in a society that tells you you are only an
object.
Bill had to submit in one way or another. That's the significance of the dress.
So, were you on testosterone then for a period of time? Yes, for 5 years.
And how did that affect you? Um, I'm now infertile, but that's
because I had a hyerectomy. The testosterone
made my uterus hurt. And my doctors at Mount Si
and my family encouraged me to remove my uterus instead of ceasing taking the
drugs that were making it hurt. Uh, my breasts had to be reconstructed.
My family paid for a masectomy. It lowered my voice. I've had to retrain
it to speak at a more neutral tone. I'll never be a soprano again.
But when I sing, I sound a lot more punk rock like I wanted to when I was younger.
Um, I had a full beard. It's mostly gone now.
I was getting casting calls for roles that required male nudity before I went back on estrogen.
Couldn't take them because I didn't have the member that they wanted on camera. Thank goodness I never went that far.
What was I going to do? Pack my speedo?
Risk it falling out between takes? Um,
no. COVID actually started triggering my desire to quit
that when I started having to wear a mask again and people from behind
knew I was female and would call me a she and I'd get upset about it and see
this mustache. Um,
I don't know. The piece then helped me face reality a little bit. Um,
it was also in that period I first took a micro dose
of the same substance that my family had me macro dosed on
and I had memories come back that I retained.
It took my therapist two years to get me to understand that these were
real memories, that it aligned with my psychological profile.
I did not want to believe it. It was easier for me to stay in denial.
I was happier when I was still in denial. My life was easier
when I was still in denial. But
these were the same memories that I thought were only nightmares when I was
a child. But as soon as those memories came back,
I remember just looking in the mirror at terror.
of resembling
those who had caused me pain. I love men. I do. I I have a problem
with men. I love men. But it was exceptionally horrifying
to see how much I looked like my father
and the pain of having done that to myself. that I did so much to destroy my body in
response to my body being destroyed.
So, I had to go back. I quit the testosterone as soon as I could. And
I was doing full drag makeup to hide my stubble and wearing wigs while I waited for my hairline to grow back in. It was
embarrassing. People thought I was a trans woman. a lot of them who just are waiting for their turn to speak, but
they wouldn't understand. I would tell them very concisely, I was born female. I was taking testosterone. I'm trying to
go back to female. So, you want to cut your dick off. You want to be a woman.
But those are the same kinds of people who, you know, and I explain
why when you Google it doesn't say he has a sister. because our birth certificates
were forged. They respond,
"Oh, I get what you're talking about, but then how come when I Google your dad, it says he only has three
children?" You You can't help some people understand what they're not willing to understand. It's
not my responsibility to fix stupid.
Anna, with these memories, do you want to talk about them or is it too traumatic?
I'm willing to talk about them. I was I stayed in denial after the
memories started surfacing because like I remembered having some nightmares
about being assaulted at the family cabin
some memories about meeting a bunch of celebrities at big parties. That was very confusing. But in 2020,
the first new memories to surface were not of the assaults, but of the circumstances around it.
Cuz for most of the assaults, I was usually unconscious.
I first remembered my family bragging about what they were
doing. And I go to my therapist and I say,
my family lied and told me that they were drugging me to me. Why would they
do that? And she'd said,
"Why would they tell you they were drugging you and you weren't?"
And I said, "Well, I know that they did drug me
because I tried a tiny tiny bit of what they bragged about giving me and I
remembered being on it all the time, but I don't remember the assault yet. I
remember having some nightmares about being assaulted." She says, "Okay, are you sure they were nightmares?"
And it would go on like that. Um
until I remembered instances of the physical assaults,
running and hiding from them, trying to hide myself in the bathroom, like that's going to help anything.
um running naked and barefoot down the mountain before pausing and forgetting
where I was and wandering back up the hill to the cabin
screaming out for my mother. Um, I went to go see three other doctors
after my therapist did so much to do EMDR with
me and get me to accept that the brain would not recall
false traumatic memories. Those are the memories that it blocks out.
Even when substance isn't part of it, people block out traumatic childhood
memories until adulthood. I went asking other doctors to tell me I
was schizophrenic and they didn't because I'm not. They said, "No,
you know, our opinion matches that of your other therapist." Um, and of course, the meds didn't do anything
because they're for an issue I don't have. Um,
but so it was a it was about a 2year process
between when the memories first started coming back and I retained memories of
being with my twin brother when we were toddlers.
I had memories of being with him as teenagers at these
reunions. and memories of my father and stepmother
and brothers making fun of me for not remembering about my twin brother
and I didn't want to believe it because it was too sad.
Um, it was 2 years before I remembered being little with him,
but my peers knew. There was one girl who was not dosed
properly when she came to the cabin with my family
and remembered what they did and everything they told her. That's when everybody at school started
calling me Ren Stevens. is the name of the sister character on
my brother's Disney TV show. And I thought they were making fun of me
because I was tall and a little bit anal retentive,
but they tried to show me. They pulled me into the computer lab and showed me a picture.
Who are they? I'm like, "Oh, that's his mom. Duh." They're like, "No, do you see
their faces? who do they look like? Where do you know them from? And getting mad at me and
saying, "You're older than us. You're You're not taller than us. You're just older than us. You're not smarter than
us. You're older than us. Why don't you remember this?" And I was pissed. I'd be offended. I thought the
kids who were trying to help me get out of my situation were bullying me
because it was safer for me still. I thought to just go through that than try to run away, try to face it. I couldn't
face it. my brain wouldn't let me. But that's how the memories came back.
It took about two years and four different doctors to get me to understand it was real.
I was in such deep denial. Uh, as far as specific memories, you're
welcome to ask me questions. I don't know where to start. I don't know if I'm going to get into too many specific details. It's just
I don't want it to be too traumatic for you. Yeah. Um you know re re going over these
things. More like you know your Tik Tok community, your viewers when you when
you're talking to them and stuff is is that cathartic for you to have the love
and support of these people? It is. um
not for my sake necessarily. The most cathartic for me is my creative
work. Another reason I've had a barrier because I would be welcome to just talk
about this through creative work, but then it would be another drop in the bucket
with people making art about the truth. Um, why I went to Tik Tok,
it's the hundreds of messages from people telling me
that they also experienced child sexual abuse and also lived in denial and hurting
themselves because of it and thanking me
for telling my story so they could feel brave enough to face their own.
It's for the 63y old man I made friends with in rehab
who told his story for the first time in his life
because I was brave enough to tell mine and you know for the next several weeks and thank you so much. I'm so excited to
keep telling my story to help other people heal from their own pain.
That's why What hope can you give people? That's why it's it's not
it's not the best outlet for my own healing, but it's the best way I can
help others with theirs and make something beautiful ripple out of the
pain that we were all put through. The more people talk about this,
the less likely it is to cycle through history. especially
men. I do believe men who are victimized are way more likely to become perpetrators
themselves. I know 60% of men in prison experience
child sexual abuse. And that's because it's so stigmatized.
They don't talk about it. And if they don't talk about it, they can't heal from it. And when they don't heal from it,
they crave reliving it. But they relive it from the other side
of it. Taking back that power that was taken
from them. It makes sense to a sick man.
I don't want there to be any more sick men.
I don't want there to be any more tortured little girls.
I I'm going to tell you about a dream I had last month. Um, great.
I was back visiting that house I grew up in on Birch Street,
but it was flooded with light and there were these Grecian columns as part of the construction
and my father was there, but he was my age in the stream. Like he could have
been my twin himself. And he was wearing yellow and glowing,
really happy to see me. And I
asked him, "How many times did they?" [Music]
And smiling at me, he said, "Thousands."
We went into the living room.
turned on the TV, watched basketball on mute while some music played like we would
growing up, and he took out the big kitchen knife and pulled down his pants
and handed me the knife.
And I began to make an incision when I woke up. the most healing nightmare I've
ever had. But that's why
I'm inclined to talk about it because
Steve never would have become a if he were not a victim of
What do you say to the survivors watching this? What do I say to the survivors?
Yes.
It wasn't your fault. You are not weak.
It is okay if you're not ready to talk about it, but you will feel better when you do.
You are valuable. You are not what happened to you.
You are loved. to my siblings specifically.
I understand why you feel like you can't speak,
but you can to spare your children the same internal
struggle. You have power.
Do you have responsibility?
I pray every day that I'll get to see you again one day.
But because I don't want the next generation going through what we went through,
I'm not okay with staying silent in order to make that happen. And I pray that a handful of you can say
something to victims again at large. You do not
have to perpetrate to take your power back.
All you have to do is claim what happened to you.
I don't want to call us victims. I
read a lovely little book from the AK press a couple weeks ago about consent and
they defined victims as people who are no longer with
us. people who lost the psychological battle
or even the battle against perpetrators like Virginia and survivors
as those who are still here.
We are not victims. We are survivors. We are empowered.
You can choose Whether to use that power
to be parts of waves of change
against the fabric of secrecy that's been draped across our society.
Or you can choose to be part of that fabric of secrecy which is going to keep you wounded. It's up to you.
Wow, that's really powerful. And yeah, I really appreciate you spending time with us.
And do you want to let the viewers know what they can see at your Tik Tok and and the links in the description box,
folks? Yeah, I'm uh
I want to start putting some of my comedy on there, some more art. I really want to start interviewing other
survivors. I have people watching me, but there are others who I think deserve to have their
stories told. The point of social media is social
community. I don't want to make it all about me. I don't want to make it all about my suffering. I know I've been offline for
a little while. Uh Tik Tok stresses me out. I don't like social media. I have too many messages to keep up with.
Um I need to find a job right now. like,
you know, I I'm not good at monetizing this and I need to be because I need an apartment.
Um, but
I'm going to try and give you guys more content again
cuz that community blew me away.
I wasn't prepared for it. And some of you I've gotten to be very
connected to, feel very attached to.
You're the reason my phone is still on because of the donations that you made when we thought I was going to need a
lawyer. So, I want to do something worthwhile with that.
Um, you changed my life.
insurance for the first time
in my life. People said, "We see you."
I've had to walk around the world wearing a bag on my head my whole life. And you guys took that bag off me.
I could breathe for the first time. And Whether
I'm going to keep talking about other victims like some of you want or just sharing my art and
platforming other survivor stories.
I want to keep that connection going. All we've got is each other.
It's the whole point of life is other people
and All of you on Tik Tok changed the course of mine.
I hope that's up to me. It's up to me to decide what I do with that snow.
Thank you. Oh, no. Thank you. And and viewers, you know, Anna's links are in the
description box. Please support her work. Huge thank you to Anna for coming on. And u if I have some survivors in
mind that we could send over, but I'm going to end this now. Let us know in the comments what you thought and take care wherever you are in the world. Much
love, especially look out for the kids. Thank you. Any
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blowing kiss? You're blowing kisses. You're blowing kisses.
He's so precious. Oh, thanks.
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