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Today, I am Pro-Erika; A Day on Team Erika - Ep 151
Baron Coleman
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Today, we take Erika's side and push hard for her to get her wishes with respect to the publication of evidence admitted in the preliminary hearing.



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Chapter 1: Intro Um, uh, Andrew, Blake, um, Erica, you guys picked a terrible week to go on vacation. Uh, I don't have braids. I feel like if I had braids at this point, I would be in a much better position to do a program because apparently braids are where it's at. Battle bun be darned.

Uh, battle braids, ladies and gentlemen, is where it is. Welcome in. Welcome in. Welcome in.

Uh, apparently this week's going to get rowdy. Apparently this week's going to get unbelievably uh rowdy. Hold on. Let me check here.

Okay. Make sure I didn't accidentally call 911 or anything. Um, get it off of them. Get off of Okay, guys.

Um, we got a lot to cover now. It's going to be a cap and gown day. It's going to be a cap and gown day. When you when you Some days you show up, you know, we have a good time and we have some fun.

Today, dawn your cap. D your gown. Uh uh we're going to school. We're going to school.

It's going to be a lot of education in happening here tonight. And I have to tell you, when they're right, they're right. And sometimes Erica Kirk is right. And I'm going to take her side today on a uh a particular issue.

I'm going to be on team Erica today. So don't say, you know, you got you everything you do is against this woman. No. No.

Not tonight. Not July 27th, 2026. No, we're we're team America. No, I'm sorry.

Team Erica. Yeah, team America. We are team Erica tonight. Uh before we get started, I have to clarify something.

Last night, I got a ton of messages. Holy mackerel. I got a ton of messages uh on last night's show and I had a lot of people giving me tips on which car they think that Tyler Robinson jumped in. And I responded to a few of them.

I was like, did I say he jumped in a car? They're like, yeah. Yeah. go back and watch it.

So, I went back and watched it and then all the things started making sense. Um, I was giving options. I was just giving every 2 minutesoption I could think of. Like, I went to the kitchen cabinet and I started pulling options out of the cabinet.

Uh, uh, I I'm not saying for sure he jumped in a car. I'm not saying for sure he ran to the library. I'm not saying for sure he he uh uh ordered up a cheeseburger on the roof. I'm not saying for sure that while he was standing at the top of the parking garage, he made a call or or communicated with somebody.

Uh, you know, I was just thinking of any option I could possibly think of that something might have happened in the clips that they took out. That's it. That's it. So, I don't know if he jumped in a car.

I don't necessarily think he did, but if he did, then let's figure out which car it is. All I was trying to do is say, why are they cutting all the video footage in half? Why are they shutting everything down? They had five days to present a preliminary case.

If you're going to give me a two-minute long video of him standing at the top of the stairs case, don't cut a minute of it out. Give me the whole two minutes. Let me see what the two minutes happens. That's it.

That's all. That's all, ladies and gentlemen. Just want to clarify that because I don't want people to say uh now keep in mind the trial's years probably two years from now. Year year and a half, two years from now.

Um but there will be people who make a note. Baron Coleman said on July 26th that he jumped in a car. He did not jump in a car. Baron is wrong.

He's a liar. He's an idiot. He a con man. Hey, no.

Uh I didn't say that. All I was saying was he might have. We have no idea. So that's all I'm going to say about last night.

Uh, but I am going to go into a little bit of more of the autopsy tonight. I'm very keen on the disposition of Charlie Kirk's body because um, as we as we proceed through this case, there seems to be one glaring problem. Everything well, there's a lot of glaring problems, but one major problem is a murder requires a body. If I if you're going to tell me someone died, I have to be able to look and see a dead person.

And so far, we've not heard from anybody who saw a dead body. We heard from people who heard from people who saw a doctor's report that might have indicated there was a dead body, but we've not seen an actual dead body. We've not seen the report of a dead body. We've not seen pictures of dead body.

And I don't want to look at the pictures. I'm not gruesome. I have no interest in looking at the picture. 4 minutesHonestly, that's that's a true fact.

I have no interest in looking at the pictures. Um I mean, if they came out, I would have to look just to to to do the job here, but uh I I'd have no interest in it. Absolutely no interest. But I would like to look at the report.

I'd like to look at things like what time did it start? Where would it take place? Who's in the room? uh what time did it end?

Where did the body go after that? Um and we'll talk tonight about why those records should be available. What happened to the biologic samples? Are they available still?

The defense seemed to indicate they might not have them. Should they? Is it a legal requirement in Utah that they do have them? Uh so we'll talk about all that and more because this case is very weird from front to back.

There's no doubt about it. It's very weird from front to back. Um and one of the giant weirdnesses What did I do in my opening? Did I close it by mistake?

I'll find it. Um, oh, there it is. I hid it from myself, ladies and gentlemen. I've been known to do that.

It's happened before. Uh, one of the weird things about this case is we had an autopsy that now we're trying to sort of get a handle on that might have been done in almost minutes. Almost minutes. And I'll be honest, here's what it looks like to me.

It looks like if there was not an autopsy done, they just kind of cooked up some sort of a report. uh if there was an autopsy done then it might have been done haphazardly. It might not have followed all the rules and it might not have been as thorough as it otherwise should have been in a major murder case. So I want to go through that but I do want to do an opening because this is not the first time that we've had a question in a case about where is the body.

This has been a thing. It's happened before. And I want to take you all the way Oh. Oh, people get mad when I don't do this.

This is your opening statement. I want to take Chapter 2: Opening Statement you all the way back to the summer of 1975. There was a young mother in Edinburgh, Scotland, and she experienced a loss that would define nearly five decades of her life. Her name was Lydia Anne Reed.

She was only 26 years old. She gave birth by C-section on June 26th of 1975 to a premature son. She named him Gary Robert Patton. And within days, young Gary was very fragile.

He was a premature baby. And he was transferred to Royal Hospital for Sick Children. And they had to have to do surgery to remove a catheter. After the operation on July 2nd, he reportedly suffered a brain damage incident.

He was placed on life support. Uh, Miss Reed agreed to withdraw the intensive care. And then later that night, the police arrived to inform her that young Gary had died. He was just 7 days old.

7 days old. Little tiny tiny Gary. Almost immediately, she had doubts. When the funeral staff from Scott Mid Cooperative showed her the body, Miss Reed looked at it and said, "That's not my son's body.

7 minutesMy son was tiny and dark-haired. This child is large and blonde. And of course, the staff does what sometimes medical staff does to people and they poo poo them, treat them like idiots, and dismiss her as having depression, postnatal depression. So, she goes to the funeral, and at the funeral, a little bitty coffin for a little bitty premature baby said the coffin felt unnaturally light in her arms.

Of course, how much does a little baby weigh? So, they kind of dismissed that. But she noticed a few other things that were weird. Rather than putting the casket in the back of the car, they just kind of put it into the front seat of the car and they put a coat over it.

And then the guy driving was flashing his uh ashing a cigarette. And the cigarette ashes were blowing down on the coat that was over the coffin. On the name plate of the casket, it spelled the word Gary with two Rs instead of one. They misspelled the kid's name on his own coffin.

And they uh they buried the coffin at a place called Sauten Cemetery. And this is where it gets heartbreaking because for more than 40 years, Miss Reed visited that grave every week. Every week, she laid down flowers even though she was never fully convinced internally that her baby was in the grave. And her suspicions began to intensify.

In the late 1990s, there was an elder pay organ retention scandal that erupted in England and investigations revealed that in a lot of British hospitals, including those in Scotland, in her area, they had routinely retained organs and tissues from young children who had passed away and they were using it for research and teaching and they were doing it without the parental consent. There was a report that was issued, it's called the McLaren report. It later estimated that Scottish hospitals held around 6,000 such specimens that had been collected between 1970 and 2000. Well, Miss Reed became a leading figure in the campaign group called Justice for the Innocence.

Among other things, she demanded her son's medical records and she learned that the organs had indeed been removed before he was buried. And this was unusual because they had assured her earlier that this was not the case. That they had not taken anything out of her son. Her entire son, organs and all, was in the casket.

A lot of families eventually recovered retained material, but the hospital maintained that it had nothing that belonged to Gary. So, Miss Reed continued to press for answers. At one point, she even chained herself to a rail in protest. She went on a hunger strike.

She fought for reforms that tighten the regulation on the handling of pediatric remains. And in 2017, 42 years after Gary passed away and after several years of legal efforts, Miss Reed secured a court order that allowed them to exume the remains. She hired a distinguished forensic anthropologist from the University of Dundee to supervise the work. They exume the remains and they recover a number of artifacts from the grave.

This includes a dis disintegrated coffin. There was a wooden shaw. There was a small hat that was placed on allegedly placed on Gary before he was put in the grave. A small cross and a name tag.

and she remembered all of those objects being present when she last saw who she presumed was her child. So those objects confirmed it was the right grave. However, the coffin itself had no body. There were no skeletal remains.

The expert confirmed there were no traces of decomposition and no hair inside the hat. And according to the expert, there should have at least been hair if nothing else. So the conclusion was pretty unambiguous. And here is the exact quote from the expert.

" End quote. Obviously, that devastated Miss Reed. Uh even if it validated her instinct, it's it was still devastating news. Uh she was quoted saying, "I wanted to be wrong.

" Instead, she was forced to confront the cold reality that an empty coffin had been buried while her son's body was somewhere else. The discovery triggered further official scrutiny. The police got involved. The Crown Office got involved.

There was a procurator fiscal service investigation, whatever that is. And she launched a legal action seeking the return of any samples that remained. And in a post-mortem situation, a lot of times they'll take samples and they'll keep them. somewhere.

We'll talk about that tonight. Uh and also she wanted compensation from the funeral directors 12 minuteswho very obviously knew that there was no body in the casket. In 2022, she was frustrated by delays. She was at that point 73 years old.

Keep in mind, she had been 26 when Gary died. She was now 73 years old. She was disabled. She went on a hunger strike.

She camped outside the Crown Office in Edinburgh, demanded a public inquiry, and of course the release of whatever remained of her child. A multi- agency review was conducted, and that they concluded Gary had been buried in 1975 and found no evidence of criminality or unlawful organ retention. Obviously, Miss Reed disputed those findings because they dug up the grave and there was no Gary. So, in 2023, March of 2023, just a few years ago, while she was lying terminally ill with bowel cancer in the hospital, authorities finally located and released the available remains.

And all that remained of young Gary were a few tissue blocks and slides. When I say slides, I mean the medical slides that go under a microscope. That's all that was left from the original examination. uh officials delivered them to her in a plastic supermarket bag, like a Kroger bag.

The uh agency was later forced to apologize for being so reckless and careless with Miss Reed's feelings. Uh she obviously expressed horror and then the materials were properly prepared by an undertaker. And on a beautiful Saturday morning in late March 2023, Miss Reed checked herself out of a hospital for a full 24 hours and finally conducted a respectful funeral for what remained of Gary. She did it at the Sauten Cemetery that she had gone to for nearly 48 years after his death.

The hurt has been horrendous, she said. Now I can bury him before I die. I feel great relief. She died shortly thereafter, June 2023, she was just 74 years old.

And even after the burial of the few tissue samples she had, questions about what happened to Gary's body very obviously remain. It's a reminder that some losses leave voids and no investigation can fill those voids. Uh, and that is your opening statement. It's a little dark.

It's a little morbid, but it is awfully um wait a minute. Why is my name trending on X? What have I done now? Um Oh, oh, sorry.

I didn't mean to get I just pulled it up while I was talking and then looked and thought, what's going on here? Um it it it's it's it's morbid and it's dark, but we have real questions that remain about what became of Charlie Kirk. Chapter 3: Utah Medical Examiner Required by Law to Preserve Deceased Body you know, he died in a rather fantastic event. It was a rather uh wild moment and everybody sort of looked around and assumed proper protocol would be followed.

The question is, was it? Because if it was, why do we not know to this day? What happened to his body? Was he buried?

Was he cremated? Did he have a funeral? Uh we won't we can't know because the participants at the alleged funeral, as Candace disclosed uh uh a long time ago, but again yesterday, I believe, or she believes, were forced to sign an NDA to go to their own family's funeral. Like, can you imagine being the cousin and having to sign an NDA with penalties attached to it?

Very bizarre. Very, very bizarre. Uh so, let's take a walk through this, shall we? because there are some legal requirements in Utah.

What happens to a body? And I'll just outline them broadly before we start pulling up statutes and looking at them because this is again going to be a dense day. Um, if you die in Utah, we talked about this yesterday. If you die in Utah and it's a suspected gunshot wound, in in most instances, there will be an autopsy.

But as we learned yesterday, to much to my surprise, over the weekend, I discovered an autopsy is not required. An autopsy can be waved by the medical examiner if nobody else asks for one. So if the county attorney or the attorney general asks for a autopsy, the medical examiner has to perform one. " They don't have to do one.

No autopsy is required. So what happens if the medical examiner takes custody? Because we're told the medical examiner took custody of the body. We saw a parade of people that included the medical examiner and that parade of people supposedly went to the medical examiner's office in Taylor'sville.

What's funny about that is there were news cameras all over the place and nobody seemed to remember him coming. But there is actually a statute of what happens when the death appears. This purple part right here where the death appears to have occurred under circumstances listed in 26B8-205. And I will submit to you that that is a gunshot wound.

subsection one of that has a gunshot wound. The person or persons finding or having custody of the body or jurisdiction over the investigation of the death, so that's the medical examiner or the county attorney or the police shall take reasonable precautions to preserve the body and fluids so that minimal minimum deterioration takes place. That's subsection C right there. So the medical examiner has a responsibility here until the conclusion of the autopsy.

has to be some sort of preservation of the entire body. But once the autopsy passes, is there any additional requirement? And if there is no additional requirement, does that help inform us maybe why an autopsy was rushed? Rushed.

I'll give you a followup here. Here are um situations where autopsies are authorized. And the reason why this two right here is a verb. The medical examiner shall perform an autopsy to aid in the discovery and prosecution of the crime.

So you want to make sure you protect the state's interest. Also to protect an innocent person accused of a crime. In other words, if we have a criminal defendant before we have a completed autopsy, the medical examiner is no longer just trying to figure out who died and how. But they actually have a statutory a statutory duty to the accused.

The medical examiner has a statutory duty to the accused, meaning Tyler Robinson in this case. When did we get Tyler Robinson? When did he show up? Well, he didn't show up allegedly until the night of September 11th.

He didn't show up till the night of September 11th. Well, where was Charlie's body the night of September 11th when Tyler Robinson showed up? It was in Arizona. It was in Arizona.

That's fast, ladies and gentlemen. When Charlie was not declared dead until the early afternoon, some point, , , , sometime like that in the afternoon on September 10th, you wouldn't think the body would already be in another state later. 33-hour manhunt. later, you wouldn't think the body would be in another state.

And this becomes an important factor when you think about the speed with which this entire thing was done because one of the things that can happen, one of the things that can happen with a um 20 minuteswith an autopsy with a body is the uh the criminal of the accused can request an extension. I'll show you this right here. This is a thing. This is a thing.

Uh release of the body for funeral preparations. Where a body is held for investigation or autopsy under this chapter, the body shall, if requested by the person given authority, so that would be the wife, be released for funeral preparations no longer than after the arrival at the office of the medical examiner regional medical facility. Well, ladies and gentlemen, we know when that took place. m.

on September 10th. That's when it arrived at the medical facility. And at that point, the clock starts running. They have to get the body ready and released.

They have to complete the autopsy after it arrives at the medical facility. m. It's about a 30, drive. Let's call it to get the body inside the medical facility.

That's when the clock starts running. That's when the clock starts running. If the medical examiner still has custody of that body within that whole and a criminal defendant comes along and says, "You got the wrong guy. " They can file a request in the District Court of Utah to hold the body, not release the body.

In other words, they can go to a judge and say, "Judge, this is very unusual circumstances. We think they've got it all wrong here. You need to hold the body and allow a more thorough investigation to take place. Allow potentially defense people second autopsy, second opinion.

That extension may only be ordered by a court. That's that section B right there. So, you might get some sort of an idea of why everything was sped up so fast. " Recall last night we talked about all of the autopsy pictures were taken on September 10th.

That means the autopsy, we believe, could have been done by midnight that night and released. They didn't even get to the They didn't get there until like 8, let's call it . Let's say they drove really fast on the way there and they wheeled the body in uh Yankin and Bankin. Is that what Brian Harpole called it?

Let's say they were yanking and banking on the way there and they just like catapulted the body into the building. You're talking 8:30 at the earliest. It was gone 3 and a half hours later. Like gone from the building there.

The autopsy was done. Are you kidding me? That's super fast. That's really, really fast.

That's like 20 and a half hours before the statutoily expected passes. But if you don't know when somebody might be arrested for the crime, and you don't know if that person's going to request an extension, and you really don't want a second set of eyes looking in on what's going on, and you don't want a court getting involved, and you don't want extensions being granted, and you don't want a court to say, "We need to hold this body for two weeks in the morg and keep him on ice because we're going to have to get a second team in here. " If you if you don't want any of that to happen, there's only one way to prevent it. Get that body the heck out of dodge.

" What What state medical examiner is going to look the vice president in the eye and say, "No, sir. We've still got time on our heads. We don't we don't have to release this body for another . Enjoy the tarmac, sir.

" Probably not going to happen. Probably not going to happen. " No, no, no. We're not.

You can't take the body. We've got time here. We're taking our time. We're letting the clock run.

We got to see what's going on. So, what does it take to get a body out of state in Utah? Because this seems extraordinarily fast. A lot of people have commented on this that this seems Chapter 4: Transportation and Disposition Permits Required to Move or Bury/Cremate Deceased Body extraordinarily fast.

Well, we have a rule on that. We have a rule on that. There's a Utah requirement. It's called a disposition permit.

A disposition permit, believe it or not. Uh this is it. This is the office of administrative rules authorization for final disposition of deceased persons. This is the rule for the removal, transportation, and preservation of bodies.

If you're going to remove the body, you have to obtain permission from the next kin. That's Erica. You have to determine whether the medical examiner has been notified that that was taken care of. Um, and this is 25 minutesto remove it from the hospital.

Um, and then you have to uh uh know where it's going. Right now, you got to transport it. If you're going to ship a body, and that's what happened here, that body has to be inbalmed by a licensed inbalmer. And then it's got to be placed in a particular uh uh shipping container.

Now we got to preserve it. You can't hold it in transit more than after death. After death, it has to be maintained at a temperature no more than 40° Fahrenheit. I don't know how they did that on Air Force 2.

Maybe put it down in the cargo hold and just let it freeze with the rest of the luggage. I don't know. And then there are penalties associated with this here. Um, but you have to get this permit.

You have to get this disposition permit. It's a It's a um Let me see if I can There it is. A burial transit permit. And this has to be filed with the state.

The burial transit permit has to be filed by the state. In other words, state offices aren't open in the middle of the night. the middle of the night. In order to transfer the body from one place to the other, you've got to create a record.

So, we we have to know where it went. There is some record out there that will tell us where Charlie Kirk's alleged body went. These are the burial transit permits right here. Another code section.

I told you it's going to be a little cap and gowny, at least at the beginning. It's going to be a little bumpy for those of you who don't like words. And some of you don't. Some of you don't.

uh requis uh a registration prerequisite to internment burial transit permits. We know there was a certificate of death um for deaths and fetal deaths which occur in this state. No burial transit permit is required for but let's see it's not going to be in the state because uh we we're going to need one because this is disposition occurs in the state. Well, that didn't happen.

disposition occurred in allegedly Arizona and the bur the burial transit permit shall be issued by the local registar of the district. So this is a this is something you have to get approved by a government official. This is something that cannot happen in the middle of the night. A burial uh that's bodies coming in right here.

And so you have this you've got this requirement. Again, there's a paper trail that's coming up. A lot of people alerted me to this. " I had a I had a grandma die in Utah and we wanted her to take her back to Colorado to bury or back to Nevada to bury.

And um what I've learned is a lot of people have ties to Utah, but they live in the surrounding states. And so they want to be they die in Utah or they want to be buried in Utah, one or the So, you have to get these permits going back and forth. Most people tell me these permits take weeks to get like your body stays on ice for two weeks, four weeks because these permits take forever. Not when you're Charlie Kirk.

Not when you're Charlie Kirk. Uh there's actually a requirement in Arizona for incoming people. Uh we have that statute. If you are so bored and would like to read it as well, I'll go ahead and flash it up here just so you know we're not making it up because we get accused of that sometimes and it's not true.

This is the disposition of disposition transit permits. This is for human remains coming in from out of state. You have to they have to be involved and they have to have this permit. They have to have a permit.

Funeral establishment responsible person must submit the information required and get this again another state record. So now we'll have a state record in Utah. We'll have a state record in Arizona. And the reason this is important is you can't just go cremating somebody or burying somebody without telling without filing with the state where you're doing it.

So if Charlie Kirk has been buried, we're told he was buried. I think they hinted he was buried. Maybe maybe we weren't told he was buried. We were hinted he was buried.

We're told there was a funeral at a at a cemetery. Most people when they go to funeral at the cemetery assume the body goes in the ground, but there are a lot of people questioning that. So if he went in the ground, there's a record somewhere. Someone in Arizona has access to that record that you can't just you can't just put somebody in the ground.

Now, let's say they decide we're going to fake a burial and we're going to cremate them instead. We're going to fake the burial. We're going to have all the family show up. They're going to sign NDAs.

We're going to put the casket out there. We're going to tell everybody we're going to bury him. Then they're going to leave and then we're going to go cremate them. You still have to have a record.

You still have to have a record. Meaning there's some bureaucrat in Arizona that has access to that database. And that bureaucrat, not just one, there's probably hundreds of bureaucrats in Arizona that have access to that database, could search by his name and it would pop up and it would say whether he's been cremated, where it was done, who presided over it, or where whether he was buried, where he's buried, and who presided over it. If it h if the final disposition took place in Arizona, that would be on the record somewhere.

Someone in Arizona working with the state is able to confirm that. probably not on the record because I don't think they're allowed to do that. But you know how people are. " I hear all this conversation about he wasn't buried.

Let me just look it up real fast. And they would be able to tell you real quickly. Was he buried? Was he cremated?

Or do we have a record of neither? Nor do we have a record of him being transferred out of the state, which means he's just hanging out somewhere. He's just on ice somewhere. literally on ice somewhere.

But the point of this is the more administrative headache that the state requires with all these disposition permits with all these registars with all these documents that have to be filed, the more time elapses, the more time things take. If you've ever gone to the state for any kind of thing, you show up at the vital records department and you want a copy of your own birth certificate. It takes time. Takes time.

You mail in a thing and three weeks later maybe you get a copy of your birth certificate. Maybe three weeks later you get a copy of a letter that says you need more information before you can get a copy of your birth certificate. I've been through that. I've been through that.

So you have those types of records. Now what else is required? What other records would be available? And the reason I raise all this is if we're Chapter 5: Utah Medical Examiner Required to Keep Detailed Records of Every Single Step of Autopsy and Location going to have a criminal trial, we should be able to see some of these records.

You're going to have to produce some kind of a dead body. you're going to have to produce some sort of evidence of of the fact that this all took place. So, this is an example a a a list of some of the things that the medical examiner is required to keep. This is back in Utah now.

So, this medical examiner, Guardo and Amaro, they are required to their office is required to keep all these records. There's some records custodian somewhere that has access to these in theory. Medical examiner shall maintain complete original records of the medical examiner record. They shall be properly indexed, giving the name Charlie Kirk or Charles Kirk.

Uh or otherwise identifying every individual whose death is investigated, the place where the body was found, UVU or Tempenogus Hospital, the date of death, September 10th. I can go ahead and fill this paper in for you. I mean, if I if if you know someone's taking notes, you can create one of these. Uh the cause and manner of death that's going to say gunshot wound um manner uh that's the cause manner would be homicide indicate the occupation of the deedent I don't know wildly successful podcaster slash uh nonprofit CEO slashauor slash what else did he do I I don't even know what all he did uh include all other relevant information concerning the death and a full report of the detailed findings of the autopsy and a report of the investigation.

So, all that stuff should be preserved somewhere. That's going to come into play here in just a second because this is where we go on team Erica when it comes to this record. Believe it or not, Erica and I are on the same side on this. So, um that last thing it said all other relevant information, there's something called a secure facility body intake log.

This is a timestamped log. And this timestamp log documents the exact second that the transport van arrived to the medical examiner's office. It'll identify the driver of the transport agency. It'll identify the physical integrity of the body bags forensic seals.

In other words, they don't just wrap them up in a sheet and toss them out into the minivan. They they they do it in a dignified manner. They put them in a bag. They seal the bag off.

they sign the seal. So, if they don't have it, let's just say they don't have this. This is something that's not available to them, they're going to come, they're going to have trouble when they go to the trial. They're going to have real trouble because there's a rule of evidence in Utah 901 and the requirement of authenticating or identifying an item of evidence.

They have to produce sufficient evidence to support a finding that the item is what they claim it is. In other words, they're going to have to bring somebody in from the office of medical examiner to say, "Yes, that record was kept in the ordinary course of business, and it is precisely the way it is in our record book. " You know, we're not going to give you the original, but this is a real copy. They can't admit these things without someone standing in the stand saying that stuff.

There will be an internal chain of custody tracking sheet. This is an internal log. It's step by step. It tracks the body as it was moved within the medical examiner's facility.

This is cold storage. This is over to the X-ray fac the X-ray part or maybe they bring the X-ray to the body. Over to the autopsy table back to cold storage. Every step of the way there's a signature.

There's an entry. There's a probably electronic these days, but but there's some sort of a record to the second of when that happened and where it went. And this is going to be very important because again, this seems to be very, very fast. One of the requirements of an autopsy is that the body be cool.

You're not going to cut into a brand new hot body. He hadn't been dead that long. Erica testified he was still warm when she showed up. That was at .

So, she shows up at . He's still warm according to Erica. Well, if he's warm at 4:00 and he doesn't go to the medical examiner's office till , when did they cool the body down or , , whatever? When did they cool the body down to a sufficient temperature?

Because the rule in Utah is the body has to be below 40 before they dig in below 40. So, you've got to get the body and you got to put it in cold storage. You've got to put it in what they call, I don't know, the morg or whatever they have. But you slide the body into a basically a giant cooler.

You see these on like uh CSI Miami. I don't know. Again, I don't watch TV. I have no idea if there's a cooler, more modern show, but that's the last cop show I remember.

But you see, they pull the body out of the morg. They're cold. They pull they're literally in cold storage, 35 to 39 degrees usually. And you have to bring that body down to temperature.

Why? Because an autopsy takes time. An autopsy takes two, three, ometimes four hours or more. If you're working on a body for three or four hours and it's not down to temperature when you start, it's going to deteriorate very, very quickly.

Bodies begin decomposing almost immediately. As soon as your body stops, the heart stops beating, the oxygen starts, stops coursing through your veins, the bacteria begins to grow. You begin immediately to to suffer the effects. Gases build up.

I mean, it's it's gruesome stuff, but it's it's nature taking its course. This is normal. In fact, a lot of the bacteria in your lungs, I was reading about this um back when I used to do HIV litigation. A lot of the bacteria in your lungs, scient certain scientists believe is there to speed up the decomposition process because the lungs are right there in the middle of your body, kind of like from your head to your uh from bow to stern or whatever.

um the the lungs sit right there in the middle. And if they're just courarssing with with um with bacteria, the second you die, they start immediately uh amplifying, consuming, and they start that decomposition process. Well, you're going to want to cool the body down and keep the body cool. If the body doesn't show up to the morg until 8:30 or to the medical examiner's office till , when do they cool it down to get it out of there by midnight?

To get the thing done by midnight? That that seems very very compressed. A very very compressed timeline. There's a body release form custody transfer log.

This is legally required. It's a receipt document. When the body is released from the office of the medical examiner into um usually a mortuary service will pick it up and take it back to the mortuary to do the inbalming or whatever. There's a log.

There's a log at that point and this is a little gruesome, but when they're released, they're not like funeral ready. You can't just like roll them out to the funeral later. Uh the mortuary service actually does quite a bit. They sort of piece the body back together.

They sort of sew it back. I mean, there's a lot that goes into this, but they um that takes time as well. That takes time as well. m.

It could have been as early as midnight because that's when all the pictures were done being taken. m. roughly is when it arrived to get to Air Force 2. And so if there's no custody transfer log, the state now has a gap.

They have a gap, and it's at least a 12-h hour gap. It could be as much as a 16- hour gap where the primary physical evidence in a capital homicide, meaning the the the crime scene, the body itself, is sort of floating around out there. And there's private parties. There's third parties that are in possession of this body.

It's unsecured. It's unmonitored. And keep in mind, all of this is before we've ever heard the name Tyler Robinson. All of this is before Tyler Robinson gets a lawyer who can say, "Hey, wait a minute.

You can't slow down. Slow down. We have a right to preserve everything. " It was almost as if there was a race.

Let's get this thing out of here before we have a criminal defendant because once we get a criminal defendant, everything may stop dead in its tracks and we can't have that. And so you'll have transport logs, transit logs, there'll be dispatch logs. Uh there'll be GPS tracking data. We're in the year 2026.

We'll have GPS tracking data. There'll be an escort vehicle that follows a private transport van. All of this is available. All of this is supposed to be documented.

So if they don't have it, if they can't produce evidence of that 40mm or so transport from Tempenoggus to the medical examiner before or from the medical examiner back to the mortuary service and then they can't prove where the body went and I think they're going to have trouble proving where it went because there were people standing outside the medical examiner's office and they don't recall seeing a Now to team Erica. This is the part that's fun. Chapter 6: We're on Erika's Side in Wanting to Release All of This Information This is the part that's fun. I'm going to go to a filing of hers.

I'm going to go to a filing of hers. This is a filing Erica made. Now again, Utah allows this weird situation where um the actual wife or or whoever it is here, let me close it. the the victim representative they have in Utah can actually file stuff.

And this is an example of what she filed, a supplemental notice concerning access to evidence presented in open court. In other words, Erica has an opinion on what we the people should be able to see. And I happen to agree with her in this case. Uh she's the widow and duly recognized victim representative buying through the undersigned council.

Uh notice supplements the notice yada yada. As before, Miss Kirk asserts her right upon request to be present and heard on the matter affecting her interest and so does so on behalf of the victim's family. The victim's family position is simple. Good.

At a minimum, at a minimum, every exhibit entered into evidence during the preliminary hearing must be visible to every person lawfully present in the courtroom. To receive evidence in a manner shielded from those seated in the courtroom, as happened today, is not transparency. and in the absence of transparency, speculation, and conspiracy theories will continue to proliferate in the public domain relative to the tragic assassination of Mr. Kirk, breeding doubt and trust into the judicial system.

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We don't want doubt and trust in the judicial system. This is not what anyone should want. Uh we agree with you, Miss Kirk. Uh Dr.

Kirk, we agree with you. We think every single exhibit entered into evidence must be visible. We could not agree more. It certainly would have prevented what happened on the final day where everybody walks out and says, "Oh my gosh, they've been showing you this blurry Bigfoot footage, but you should have been there on the final day.

It was HD 4K. " Okay, great. Can we have it? Erica thinks we should have it.

I would like to see it. I'd like to double check agent poso. Is it really that good? There were other people in the courtroom like Brandy and Billy who said maybe it wasn't.

I'd like to be my own determin of fact. Absolutely every single piece of evidence needs to be made public. Absolutely every piece of evidence needs to be made public. So what is the relief Miss Kirk is asking for?

Well, let's find out. For the foregoing reasons, Erica Kirk on behalf of the victim's family respectfully requests that the court at a minimum order all exhibits admitted into evidence during the last three days that were not published to the courtroom be so published during the proceedings scheduled for July 9 so that all persons lawfully present in the courtroom may view them. Well, you know what one of those pieces of evidence was? Do you know what one of those pieces of evidence was?

It was the medical examination. It was the autopsy report. All we got of the autopsy report was an officer stating that he heard from somebody that the manner of death was homicide and that the cause of death was a gunshot wound to the neck. We weren't able to see it, but we know it was exhibit 11.

We know it was offered by the state and we now know what's in it. That autopsy report is going to have a number of things in there, including the manner and cause of death that that they told us the conclusion, but it's also going to have a whole lot of other stuff like the time the body arrived where? What time did the body arrive? in Taylor'sville at the medical examiner's office.

Well, we don't know. We're guessing around , . At what time did the autopsy start? Where did the body move about in the facility in the meantime?

Did they take it to the uh morg to cool it down? How long did that take? How long was it there? How long was it on ice after it moved from being on ice?

Where did you go then? Did you go exactly right to the autopsy table? What time did that take place? When did the autopsy begin?

The actual, you know, opening of the body, the examination of the body, when did that take place? How did you determine the body was the proper temperature? Who was in the room? That's going to be in the autopsy report.

We know only one name. It's an officer or excuse me, Sergeant Barrett of the State Bureau of Investigation. As we discussed last night, we can't find one. We can find one Sergeant Barrett in all of Utah.

And that Sergeant Barrett is a highway patrolman. She does traffic stops. She does car wrecks. Who was in the room?

Other than a single cop, you would think there would be an autopsy assistant. Maybe that's typical. Who was that? What was that person's name?

Uh, you would think there would be maybe an X-ray tech of some sort. you want to do an X-ray, particularly if you think there's I mean, I think it's pretty standard do an X-ray anyway on an autopsy, I think. But if you if you um don't do an X-ray, how do you know if there are bullet fragments in the neck, for example? You should be able to know the answer to that question.

Did you do one? That should be in the autopsy report. Erica Kirk has said that she has seen the autopsy report. She claims she saw it.

" That she doesn't know what's in that autopsy report. And she and she would go, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I know we said all. I know we said every, but I forgot about the autopsy report.

That's not how it works. There wasn't a lot of evidence. I think there were only like 16 or 17 pieces of evidence that they they entered. A lot of those were videos.

" Then I think we should be able to see that because all of that information we discussed should be available. It should all be somewhere. We should have access to it. Chapter 7: The Absence of Evidence is Creating "Conspiracy Theories" And I agree with her lawyer.

The absence of the evidence is causing wild speculation about what's happening. This was my point yesterday with the videos. I don't know whether he jumped in a car when he jumped off the roof. I doubt it, but he might have.

I don't know if he made a phone call or some car pulled up and talked to him when he was standing in the parking garage stairs. I don't know whether he pulled out a second phone and that's what they don't want us to see. I don't know whether he was doing hand signals to someone in the parking lot. I don't know.

I can't know. But I do know when you clip the footage, you show him walk up and then we see it jump ahead like a minute and then it picks back up and it shows him walking down and you guys don't mention that it jumps ahead and you don't tell us why it jumps ahead. 50 minutesIn the absence of evidence, conspiracy theories run wild. Because my mind, the way my mind works is I look at all this and this is what we did.

We pulled up all the footage and we looked through all the different footage of that they showed that day and you started to notice these things were missing. There were a lot of jumping around. There were a lot of things missing and they tried to do these sizzle cuts. They tried to do these edits where they have arrows and circles.

And the judge said, "No, no, no. We're not doing edits and circles. " But then he allowed him to put in segmented evidence. He allowed him to put in evidence that had been clipped from the middle.

They did it on the roof. They did it on the parking garage. I want to say there was one more they did. I can't remember what the other one was.

Maybe him walking through the stairwells. I think maybe walking through the stairwells one time the time jumped a little bit. But it's my contention Tyler Robinson didn't do this. I I don't think it makes sense that Tyler Robinson did this alone.

And if Tyler Robinson didn't do this alone, then it's my contention he was probably working with somebody or that that wasn't Tyler Robinson at all. Or that maybe Tyler Robinson was one of the people that was working with whoever we keep seeing on camera. I don't know. Maybe Tyler Robinson was a Dairy Queen enjoying some chicken tendies in a blizzard.

I really have no idea. But if you're going to jump the footage around while cars are driving through the parking lot, I'm free to speculate that one of them stopped and talked to him. I'm free to speculate that he called out picked up a phone and called somebody and you can read his lips maybe or whatever. I'm free to speculate that he sat there and texted somebody.

Seems like he was on his phone all the time. If he gets up on the roof and you tell me he put the gun together and you don't show me, you don't show him putting the gun together with a screwdriver, I'm free to speculate he didn't put the gun together with a screwdriver cuz why else wouldn't you have shown me him putting the gun together with a screwdriver? That's a key part of your narrative. You want me to believe he was limping into campus because he was had a giant gun down his pants?

That 306 is a big gun. I mean, it's as tall as like a 12y old. It's like almost four feet tall. Maybe not 12-y old, maybe a 10-year-old.

That's a big big gun. More than three and a half feet tall. If you're going to tell me that he limped onto campus because he had a gun down his pants, and I just got to trust you, bro, that the video footage you cut out shows him pulling a gun out of his pants. I'm free to speculate he didn't pull a gun out of his pants.

You should see my notes. I should show them. You should see my notes from when I was watching the preliminary hearing. Every time they did this, I wrote like 10 things that he could have done in in in the time that they jumped.

Like I think at one point I said he could have had a could have ordered a cheeseburger to the roof and had Door Dash delivered up there. I don't know. I doubt it, but he could have. That would be interesting delivery instructions.

I'm at Utah Valley University campus. I'm actually in the Losi Center, but not in the Losi Center as much as on the Losi Center. Enter from the south stairs. Walk up to the top, you'll see me.

I'm in all black. I've got fatigues on. I've got a helmet on. May or may not have a 43inch long firearm in my hands.

Yeah, go ahead and drop that off. I'd like my cheeseburger. Uh u bring a double fudge sundae with it if you could. I don't know.

Why can't I speculate about that? Did he do somersaults up there? Did he barrel? What did he do?

Where did he go? Because you keep stopping everything. Same thing with the autopsy report. I'm free to speculate at this point that an autopsy didn't happen.

Why? I haven't seen one. I'm free to speculate that they did a crappy job on the autopsy. They did the bare minimum.

Here's what I think happened. I'm free to speculate on this. Am I right? I don't know.

But in I I agree with Erica Kirk's lawyer in this situation because I don't know conspiracy theories are going to run wild. Here's what I think happened. I think at Tempenogga's hospital they decided they weren't going to do an autopsy. I think that police officer who radioed over the signal I don't have my little little box.

Oh yeah, it was right here. There's no autopsy going to happen. They're just going to sign the death certificate. The wife's on her way.

I think that happened. I think somebody showed up and said, "Look, we're not doing an autopsy. We're just going to get the body out of here. We're going to we're going to call in the medical examiner.

They're going to wave the autopsy. We're going to prepare the body, get the get all the paperwork in order. " And the reason I think that is because Brian Harpole made such a big deal on the Sean Ryan Show about needing an autopsy. Brian Harpole seems to try to make himself the hero in every story.

Brian Harpole was willing to risk his own life to try to save Charlie's. Brian Harpole, the way he tells the story, he's actually hanging out of the car. They're doing 60, 80, 100 miles an hour. They're yanking and banking.

Apparently, now we know from the 911 call that that Candace talked about today, allegedly, we know that that they are yelling at traffic to get out of the way. So apparently there was traffic while they're yanking and banking and doing 60 80 100 miles an hour. But Brian Harpo loves to be the hero. He loves to put himself in the center of the story.

He loves to make himself heroic. Don't sue me, Brian. I'm allowed to speculate because we don't have the information. And because he wants to make himself the center of the story, he likes to weigh in on things.

He likes to weigh in on what's going on. So he tells the story of him hanging out of the door and Rick Cutler because he's got the tattoo he's hanging on to him and he's stuffing 36 feet of gauze inside of Charlie and he's he's doing this and that. Then they get to the hospital finally they get out of the hospital. They get him they throw him up on the stretcher.

Brian Harpole man jumps up there. He's cutting shirts. He's ordering people around. I need two cc's of this.

I need that stat. You got to say stat in a medical if you're in a if you're in a medical emergency. You don't say stat. Were you in a medical emergency at all?

Did it really happen? So he's saying stat. He's get there, here, here, there. He's ordering the medical professionals around.

He wheels Charlie. I think this is his story. I have to go back and listen to do it, but I think he wheels Charlie into one of the rooms and then he decides Charlie might need a defibrillator, so he cuts Charlie's shirt off. That's a prime example of somebody putting themselves in the story because nearly every medical professional that has reached out to this program and others has said that did not happen.

I've seen videos on X, I've seen videos on YouTube, nurses, emergency room nurses, emergency room physicians, everyone's like if someone tried that in my emergency room, I would have them arrested. There's usually police there. Get that man, put him in prison, put him under the prison. So, if Brian Harpole has this I've got to be the center of attention thing going on, then there's something going on relative to the autopsy.

Because to hear Brian Harpole tell the story, he walks in and they and the doctor looks him in the eye. " But Brian is telling the story. I think I'm telling the story correctly. Again, don't sue me, Brian.

I'm trying to be right. I could pull it up and show it, but that's boring. It's more fun when I tell the story. But if you don't believe me, go check the story.

It'll tell the truth. Um, but I think this is what happens. And he goes and he um he tells the doctor, "We need an autopsy. That's what we need.

" Apparently, they also needed scrubs, but that was a different story. Frank likes to tell that story. Apparently, they also needed scrubs. I don't know what happened to their clothes, but they needed scrubs.

And that's what he needed. I need an autopsy. I don't again, I've never been a security professional. I've never had a friend die on me like that in tragically in in in p person.

And I've never been in a hospital confronted with a doctor asking me in the wake of an assassination attempt, what do I need? But according to Brian, the first thing that came to his mind was an autopsy. And the reason is because he didn't want any of these dad gum conspiracy theories. This is a little bit of main character syndrome in my opinion.

Brian has now put himself in the story but didn't may not have happened. That whole story may not have happened. And um it leads me to believe that something weird happened with the autopsy. So I take Brian Harpole's story about oh we need an autopsy so we don't have a JFK experience.

And then I take the radio call from the cops saying they're waving the autopsy. They're not going to do an autopsy. They're just going to sign the death certificate here and release the body. " I do believe before , before Erica got there, that was the decision that was made.

That the decision was made, there was not going to be an autopsy. And remember in Utah, that's a lawful decision. We looked at that law yesterday. There's two classes of people who can demand an autopsy.

a medical examiner or the or the law enforcement, the either the county attorney or the attorney general. Only those two classes of people can demand an autopsy. Someone from the office of medical examiner, someone from the county attorney or attorney general's office. That's it.

If the mom wants one, I don't know if they can require one or not. If the wife wants one, the statute doesn't say they have to have one. They probably would defer to the wife in that situation, but it doesn't say that they have to. I think along the line somebody said this is a really bad idea.

You're going to want an autopsy here. Um, people are not going to accept this case without an autopsy. It's a very high-profile political assassination. m.

my time, ABC News had broken into their regularly scheduled programming to cover the Charlie Kirk assassination without commercial interruption. I'm not sure they thought that was going to happen. That That was a big That was a big issue. I remember flipping around on TV thinking all the networks have broken in on this.

I mean, Charlie was a big deal. I get it. I mean, he was he was a well-known guy, but it's not like it was Trump or Vance. It's not like it was Obama or some former president or even a secretary of state.

It's not like it was Marco Rubio. It was a podcaster. It was a podcaster. No.

If if if something happens to Shawn Ryan, are they going to break in on ABC News? I doubt it. His Seawn Ryan's podcast is higher ranked than Charlie's was. If something happened Joe Rogan, I mean Joe Rogan has the biggest podcast in the world.

If something happens to Joe Rogan, are they going to break in on ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox News, MSNBC, CNN? Are they going to break in, do roundthe-clock coverage without commercial interruption on the death of Joe Rogan, the tragic death of Joe Rogan? Probably not. And I doubt the people affiliated with Charlie Kirk thought there was going to be around the clock joined in progress coverage from major news organizations because that started about the same time that the call went out that there wasn't going to be an autopsy.

And then two months later, Brian Harpole gets on a podcast and he he has now created himself as the main character saying, "I'm the reason there was an autopsy. I demanded an autopsy and I wanted it done fast. " Brian Harpole. I That's That's how I took the story.

That's that's the imp that's the effect on the listener, Brian. That's how it came across to me listening to the Shawn Ryan Show. And so I think at that point they said, "Oh crap. We have a real problem on our hands.

We have a real problem on our hands. We were trying to get this thing out of here quick. We wanted this body back in Arizona before anyone figured out he'd even been shot. And now we've got to do an autopsy.

" So the medical examiner shows up. I think around 10 till 5 we have a news camera coverage that shows the medical examiner show up. I think it was around 4:49 or 4:50 Utah time. It's around 4 and a half hours after Charlie's picking out.

The medical examiner shows up. " But here's the catch. The vice president's coming in tomorrow. That body has to be on that plane.

And if you know anything about Secret Service, vice presidents don't hang out at airports. That's not the way it works. It's a very vulnerable place for a vice president to be. A very vulnerable place for any any Secret Service protectee to be.

You don't want to be in the airport any longer than you have to be. You don't want to hang out on the tarmac. All of the defenses on Air Force One and Air Force 2 work in the air. They don't work on the ground.

All of them. All the missile deflections and all that. An airplane on the ground is a sitting duck. And we remember in the wake of 9/11, for example, there were people who got into the secured area of airports with firearms, with weapons.

There were people who employees who got out on the tarmac with weapons. The airports are very large places, very difficult to contain, very difficult to lock down and secure really. So, you don't want a Secret Service detainee hanging out on the airport. And so the decision comes down, we're going to have to, this has become a major news story.

We're not going to be able to sneak the body out of Utah before anybody finds out about it. It's kind of like Osama bin Laden, you know, they they told us he was dead after they had dumped the body in the Indian Ocean. Hold on. I don't know if you can see I don't know if you can see the eye roll, but it was there.

I promise. But they told us they dumped the body after they told us they killed him after they dumped the body. I think that was the way they wanted to break the news on Charlie Kirk. They wanted before anybody really started doing any coverage, Charlie Kirk to be back in Arizona safely, back on home territory, back at Hansen Mortuary or wherever they plan to take him back there.

But unfortunately for them, they had to do a an autopsy. Now imagine you're the medical examiner. You're doing an autopsy that nobody wants. You're doing an autopsy that nobody wanted in the first place.

You're told this has to be done quickly. You're told that the vice president of the United States is on his way and he's expecting to leave quickly with a body. He's not going to hang around on the tarmac for waiting on you to finish. There's really nowhere else for him to go in Utah.

They haven't done advance. When the vice president travels, they do advance work. They hadn't done advance work that day. He just showed up the same day he left.

I mean, like unless they knew Charlie was going to die before September 10th, they had no idea to to go ahead and sweep for bombs and put snipers on roofs and all the things you do when the vice president travels. He just they just flew him into an airport. Again, not a very secure place to be if you're the vice president of the United States. And so there's a lot of pressure on you, the medical examiner, not only to finish the autopsy, but you can't transport a body fresh off an autopsy.

It's hot again. It's been back at room temperature for several hours. It hasn't been inbalmed. And there's a law that you have to inbalm the body before you transport it out of the state.

You have to have this disposition certificate we talked about. That's the reason I went through all this. All these records should exist and they should start existing from the moment he showed up at the hospital. The moment he showed up at the hospital, the moment they declare him dead, he's no longer a human being.

Unfortunately, you become property. You become the property. You become in the custody of the state of Utah. Wherever you die, you're the custody of that state.

And there's somebody charged with taking over each step of the way. There's a chain of custody that takes place. And so, Charlie Kirk, bang, on on uh at , he goes down. They take him to the hospital.

At some point, they declare him dead. Mikey McCoy, allegedly the general himself, the admiral Mikey McCoy, the bravest man in the history of mankind, gets on the phone with the vice president of the United States. Get to Utah. We're gonna have you transport him out of here.

Stat. Again, you're in medical setting. You got to say stat. Get him over here.

Get over here. Stat. Okay. No advanced work.

We got to fly in the vice president. So, you wheel the body into the ME's office and you know that the time is ticking. Not only do you have to do an autopsy, you've got to get the body transported from the medical examiners back to a mortuary service company that can that can dispose of the body. Somebody has to pick up the body.

They have to drive the body back to a mortuary service place. They have to debalm the body. They have to prepare the body. They have to put it in a transportation casket because it's leaving the state.

All of this is why I think they were going to wave the autopsy because all of this slows the process down considerably. And keep in mind, we don't yet have a criminal defendant. We don't have anybody in line that can object to the disposition of the body. We don't have anybody yet that can object to uh to to get getting the body out of the state.

And so the clock is running. The vice president's coming. We don't have a criminal defendant. Let's go.

Let's go. Let's go. How thorough do you think that autopsy was? I mean, I can see a situation where the ME shows up and it's like, "Look, it's late.

It's the middle of the night. They're making us do this. The We didn't initially want to do this. We didn't think it was necessary.

The doctor didn't think it was necessary. Everybody kind of roundly agrees what happened. He got shot in the neck with a 36 from the Losi Center roof. But they're making us do this, guys.

So, let's let's roll. We're not going to do the best autopsy we've ever done. It's going to be quick, going to be dirty. It's going to be done.

We're going to check all the boxes and then they go through the process. I think that's what happened. I think that's what happened. I think if we saw the autopsy report, we would see that's what happened because we would know what time the body got there.

We would know whether they cooled the body down. We would know what time the autopsy started. We would know what time all the photographs were taken. We would know what time the autopsy finished.

We would know what time they called the mortuary service to come pick him up. And they we would know what time they actually picked him up. And they would know what time they inbalmed the body. All these times would be documented.

They would all be contained in a report form that we could look at. And that's why I side with Erica Kirk. " That was exhibit 11. The judge accepted it as evidence.

" In other words, I'm not morbid. I'm not a vile creature or whatever Blake likes to call people that ask about how Charlie's body was disposed of. If you're going to call me that, you got to call Erica that, cuz I'm on her side on this. I'm on team Erica.

I want to see what happened to the body. I have strong reason in the absence of evidence to launch into wild conspiracy theories about what may or may not have happened. The absence of evidence allows the mind to just go crazy. I could come up with all kinds of wild scenarios.

I could come up with a scenario where they didn't do an autopsy at all. " One of the things we talked about tonight, I'm not going to pull it back up, but the tissue samples, those are supposed to be saved somewhere. They were supposed to take tissue samples as 11 minutespart of the autopsy. I think I looked it up.

I think in they take bile tissue. I'm doing this off my memory, so don't don't don't quote me on this. Bile tissue, blood, urine, maybe stool, um, heart tissue, and maybe brain tissue. I'm not sure, but they take like six or eight pieces of tissue and and they take a good amount and that stuff is preserved.

It's somewhere. It's available. It can be inspected. And the law in Utah is it has to remain preserved until the disposition of the criminal case.

Meaning, if you go to a death penalty with Tyler Robinson, that tissue has to be preserved until the day the needle is in his arm. You can't just go getting rid of it. You can't just remove remove that stuff. You can't dump it.

And if you don't have it, that's real evidence that something was done very wrong at the autopsy. The other things you could do is take a DNA sample of it. I want to do, you know, if I'm the defense, I'm doing a DNA test on that heart tissue. Doing a DNA test on all of it.

I want to know that that's his body. It's hard to get DNA from it's hard to get heart tissue out of a living person. So that's that would prove death, I would think. I'll tell a funny story real quick.

I had an infection on my arm when I was I don't know how old I was. It was 2009, June of 2009. Had a really bad infection on my elbow. Something called MRSA.

It's awful. Got down into bone kind of like it was all just all over the arm. It was going up my arm, up this way, and down this way. It was terrible.

I was in the hospital for a long time. And when I was in the hospital, they initially just were putting uh IV lines in my arms, but they were putting this horrific uh combination of drugs in my body, and it was blowing the veins out. It was so toxic. It was just like destroy the vein.

They would put it in my arm and then just just blow the vein out. So, they they stopped doing that. They put in a pickline. And that's just a a a line that dumps into your heart, right?

Um and I kept telling the guy that I thought it was too low because every time I leaned forward, it was like giving me a jolt. " He was like, "No, you're just it's in your head. It's not a thing. " And I did it while he was sitting there.

It just my whole body jerked. And I was like, "I'm telling you, dude. " He was like, "Fine. " And he did.

It felt better after that. Never happened again. And I forgot about it. I think Pickline was in two or three weeks.

I was I had this little portable carrier and it was giving me IVs the whole time. I had to change out a bag or something every few days where it could shoot more IV in me um or more antibiotics. And I forgot all about it. Then it's time to take the pickline out.

So, I go to the appointment to pull the pickline out and the lady pulls it out. It's a weird feeling, by the way. just, you know, they're like pulling this giant line out of your arm. And when she gets to the end, there's this goo on the very end of it.

" She's like, "I don't know. " I was like, "What? " So, I don't know if I got a little bitty uh hole in my heart or whatever. If something ever happens to me, someone check that.

Make sure they do a good autopsy. Make sure you get it. Uh uh uh and and check out that area where the pickline would be landing in my heart. see if it did any damage in it.

Statute of limitations is already run on uh on that claim, but I I'd like to know. I'd like to know. I don't even know how I got Oh, tissue samples. So, these tissue samples should be preserved somewhere.

Someone should have a copy of these tissue samples. But I'm telling you right now, that is my current position. My current position on all this missing evidence goes to the most conspiratorial angle. the most conspiratorial.

If you're going to clip footage out of him standing at the top of the parking garage, I my mind goes to he's talking to someone on the phone, in a car, some maybe someone walks up to him. That's where my mind is going to go. But what are you going to feel really stupid if you come out of trial and they he was just standing there for a minute? Okay, then they should have explained it.

They should have explained it. They should have said that he didn't do anything, so we just clipped it down for the sake of time. I think it's stupid to save a minute on a five-day hearing, but you should have at least explained it. 16 minutesDon't try to pull a fast one on me when cars are disappearing and shadows are jumping all over the screen because it's obvious and then the time stamp jumps.

It's obvious you cut a minute out. And if you're not going to explain it and you're not going to show it to me, my mind is going to go crazy. Don't tell me he pulls a gun out of his pants and assembles it with a screwdriver if you're not going to show me show me him show him doing it. I need to see him doing those things because other than that, my mind goes to a place where that didn't happen.

because if it happened, you'd have showed me. It's it's intrinsic to your story. It's an inherent part of your story. I apologize for the gross descriptions of my heart.

I apologize, ladies and gentlemen. It won't happen again. I will conclude this way. I don't know what Candace is sitting on, but I wouldn't want to be Blake, Andrew, Erica, Tyler Boyer, 17 minutesor anyone else right now at Turning Point USA.

I wouldn't want to be Jeff Gray at the Utah County uh prosecutor's office, what they call it, county attorney's office. I wouldn't want to be Cash Patel. I wouldn't want to be the director of the state bureau of investigation, Bo Mason, or whatever whatever his title is, public safety. I wouldn't want to be any of those people right now.

I wouldn't want to be sheriff uh cowboy hat there in Utah County, the movie star. I wouldn't want to be him either because if Candace tells you it's going to be a big week, I'd buckle your safety harness. I'd tune in. I anticipate the attacks will amplify this week.

It always happens that way. I do find a lot of irony in what she's doing, though. It seems pretty obvious Blake is gone. He's on vacation or somewhere right now.

He's not going to be back on the radio until Wednesday. It seems pretty obvious Erica is gone. She's nowhere to be found. She did her speech in Seattle and has vanished off the face of the earth.

And it seems pretty obvious Andrew's is headed somewhere also. It seems like he's headed somewhere. And I love the irony in it because every time Candace goes on vacation, the attacks amplify. You remember when she went to Russia, they went crazy.

That's when they launched the attack on George Farmer and they launched the attacks on Candace and she's this and she's that. Then she goes to Spain and it goes on overload while she's in Spain for a week or two. That just nuts. It's just crazy.

Your humble host doesn't face that problem because I don't take vacation. I don't have to worry about it. I don't have to worry about We don't do vacations in the colon. No, we do.

We do. Just not often. Not often. Maybe we should.

Uh but the attacks tend to amplify. And when you have this amplification in attacks every time she's on vacation, it's only right that she should wait until they're all gone to launch her attacks. And I think that's exactly what she's done. I I have this strong suspicion that that it's going to be a really ugly week for these guys.

It's going to be a really ugly week for the Fed slop narrative and it's going to be a really ugly week for TPUSA. Really, really bad. Uh you people who have committed to the mountain of evidence and and I'll I'll give my final warning. I think this may be my final warning I'm going to be able to give you guys.

You should run, don't walk, and try to get a deal. That That's That's my That's my take. That's my tip. You should try to get a deal.

Uh she had braids on today, gentlemen. Braids. She wasn't wearing a bun. She didn't have on a hat.

She had braids. uh the braids. She's she's prepared to bring the heat, I'm afraid. And if you guys are committed to this fed slop narrative, if you're committed to this mountain of evidence, you're going to get caught with your pants down.

Particularly if you're on vacation and you can't respond. It's going to be bad. I think you're in for a really, really, really bad week. It's my final warning.

If you have a lawyer, it's only 6:30 Arizona time right now. Call them. It's a good time. It's a good time to put them on notice and and maybe make an appointment for the morning.

You're not going to be on the radio anyway. All right, guys. Um, excuse me. I started to cough before I hit the cough button.

Uh, appreciate you uh joining the program. If you have not had the occasion to hit, like I warned you, it'd be a little cappy and gowny tonight. We have to cover the whole case. And sometimes the case involves going through the requirements of the disposition of the body before you discuss what happened to the body.

And we had to do it. We had to do it. It's part of the case. Part of the case.

Uh, everybody says, "Do do would you represent Tyler? Are you going to watch the hearing all the way through? " And I always say no because court court is boring. Court is usually pretty boring.

Sometimes investigating crimes are a little boring as well, but we have to do it. We have to do it. Um I just set up the rest of the week. I will I have a meeting Friday I can't miss.

So I will not be on the air at all Friday. Um I'll do a member show tomorrow. Tomorrow I will not be on the air in the evening in all likelihood. Might decide to jump on after her show depending on what she drops tomorrow.

I will do a member show in the afternoon and then we'll see how the evening goes. Um, but I will definitely do a member show tomorrow uh in the afternoon and then Wednesday and Thursday I'll do my regular live show and of course I'll have my meeting Friday morning and that's going to last so long I will not be able to prepare for anything Friday. Not a member show or a or a regular show. So I'll be out Friday completely.

Then I'll be back Sunday. Then I'll be back Sunday. Um, so that's kind of a setup for the week. Uh, again like, subscribe, notifications, all that good stuff.

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BREAKING: Charlie’s Team DID Call 911 En Route To The Hospital… Andrew Kolvet’s Big Lie. | Ep 366
Candace Owens
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Andrew Kolvet has a weekend crash out and gets community noted, Erika says a lot of words at a Make Heaven Crowded tour event, we receive an explosive lead on the 911 call that took place on 9/10, and we hear from a witness who saw someone run on the rooftop.



Transcript

Chapter 1: Start. All right, you guys. Happy Monday to everyone except Andrew Kovette. Man, oh man.

He had another crash out this week, this weekend. But I'm kidding. I actually do wish Andrew Kovette uh a special happy Monday because he provided me with great laughs over the weekend. We're going to get into what happened on social media and the hilarious community note which he got slapped with.

Plus, Erica Kirk is back on the road, this time in Washington State for the continuation of the Make Heaven Crowded tour, and she is saying a lot of words, but I'm not sure anyone knows what they mean. We're going to get into that as well. Before we get to her, we receive what promises to be an explosive lead on the 911 call that took place in route to the hospital, one that no one can find despite many public records requests. So, let's jump right back into this.

Welcome back to Candace. Chapter 2: Utah's chief medical examiner resigns. We actually have a lot of breaking news today. So, we'll start with this right at the top.

You know, early on we had identified uh Utah's chief medical examiner, the one who would have signed off on Charlie's autopsy report, as a woman who had strong military ties, comes from a very powerful family, claims to be a direct descendant of Leaf Ericson, which actually may be true based on our research. A woman by the name of Dr. Dedra Amaro. Her tenure began July 1st of 2024.

And now we can exclusively report that Dr. Dedra Amaro has resigned from her position. She's no longer the chief medical examiner of Utah. Now I am actually hearing that there are a lot of resignations happening full stop across the board, particularly at UVU, also at police departments, which all seem to be occurring because people have a general 2 minutessense of corruption that they would like to remove themselves from.

Curiously enough, there was no official reason provided for Deedra's sudden resignation, only that she is moving on from her position. I find that to be um a lead that people should chase. com. Why is our chief medical examiner of Utah resigning so quickly?

Okay, moving on from that and um jumping into why we Chapter 3: Andrew Kolvet & Blake Neff get angry over a simple question. love Andrew Kovette. He gives us so much content. He's such a fool.

But there will probably never be a greater community note on X in my opinion. A little biased here than the one that was issued to Andrew over this weekend. So, you know, all last week we were kind of covering how he just seems to be coming apart. The preliminary hearing started and Andrew lost his mind.

The real Andrew, I should say, actually emerged. He's making enemies everywhere now, including in the press, which is not a good place for him to make enemies because, well, that's what he does for a living. He's a spokesperson, right? By the way, a fun update on that Daily Mail article wherein direct quotations were used to assert a family friend of Erica's confirmed that Erica refers to me as the b- word in private.

That article, it's still up. the direct quotations. They're still in that article. Remember Andrew Kulette lied, explicitly lied and attempted to blame me for that article.

Uh, and what really happened, I told you, was Erica and her close family friend planted that article and then it backfired and then they tried to daro tactic me. He didn't just brazenly lie on me in that scenario. He also lied on the journalist who was doing actually a favorable job for Erica. So, it was plainly evil all around.

But nothing he has done, nothing Turning Point USA has done or participated in has been more evil to me than attempting to rewrite and frankly 4 minutesdelete the very well documented and storied history and friendship between me and Charlie Kirk. Everyone knows that you've gone to Turning Point USA event. You remember the come up at Turning Point USA? You remember how Turning Point USA hit the map?

It was a actually who gave us uh the the jet fuel Kanye West a tweet. I love the way Candace Owens thinks. Suddenly Charlie and I are everywhere. People are wondering what is Turning Point USA because I was the communications director.

The attempt to sort of pretend that none of that happened, that we didn't fight so many battles together and remain close friends. I don't know that just takes a special kind of individual. So I would say Andrew Kovat is a special kind of individual. And during the Tyler Robinson preliminary hearing, he took it far far.

He challenged me to prove that Charlie and I had any friendship in the last 24 months of his life. He just passed me a ball, I guess, to just do a layup. Just a slam dunk. He wrote this.

Remember Candace, you and Charlie were not friends. He managed you. He kept things light and polite so that you would not turn on the organization. Show me any proof of a genuine friendship from the last 12 months of his life.

from the last 18 months, from the last 24 months, not some 2018 text, something recent. They keep this narrative that she keeps showing a 2018 text. No, I showed a 2018 text which was relevant to him predicting his own death. That's just when that conversation took place.

I It was by no means needed for me to go back into 2018 to demonstrate me and Charlie's friendship. That's absurd. I toured with him every year. I had a contract with Turning Point USA to do just that.

But I guess um I uh must have startled him when I rose to this challenge. I It was so easy. I couldn't believe he was really throwing down the gauntlet here. I shared messages between Charlie and I initiated by Charlie wherein he tells me to stand up to the Jewish mob that I was being intentionally targeted by them.

I was that the targeting was inorganic. That he knew that the Daily Wire was behind it. That he had my back as he always did publicly and privately. So, it's not like Charlie was just saying this privately.

People have shared the clips of him saying just that publicly. " But I guess be careful what you wish for, Andrew, because these messages obviously then went viral because it just provided more proof of what I was saying that the last year and a half of his life, he was being swarmed by these Zionist bees who were pressuring him more and more, trying to dictate who he could be friends with, who he could invite to his events, and spending a lot of money to do that, using money as the threat. We'll take away your money or we'll give you more money if you include this person. And so people being able to see those messages, it was stunning.

It went viral all weekend. people were discussing them and then the amount of subsequent coping which ensued. Andrew's reply once these messages went viral. They were the reply was overwhelming.

They love that word. I was overwhelmed. Overwhelmingly hilarious. This is what Andrew Kobach came back with.

Yes, I've seen the alleged texts shared by Candace. I have no idea about their authenticity. Like, let's just stop right there. or Andrew Kovette.

Erica has his phone. Scroll up, type in the phrase that I shared and come back with something more honest than this. Okay? You know that's a real conversation.

Andrew, this is why nobody trusts you. No one believes you. What a ridiculous start. The alleged text.

I have no idea. I couldn't bother to find out whether or not these text messages are real. " That's a lot of coping happening in the first sentence. And then he goes, "Here are my observations.

It can be an evil thing to release a man's private messages after his death. Not everything is meant to be public. I can understand certain things in certain contexts, but Candace is weaponizing these messages to diminish Charlie's public statements and advance her own agenda. " So Twitter had to remind him about himself and said Kovit previously challenged Owens quote show me any proof of a genuine friendship from the last 12 18 or 24 months like the text release or from November of 2023 within the 22 months of Kirk's death on September 10th.

Sorry Andrew, you can't just keep moving the goalpost. And by the way, his response was a lot longer. It's just so unbelievably ridiculous. He then shares a clip of me from July of 2025 when I revealed my phone call to Trump and he says Charlie was particularly upset in July when Candace violated Trump's confidentiality when he called me about uh Breijit's penis and said, you know, Charlie didn't like this.

Okay, by the way, that's probably true. Charlie and I had a totally different approach when it came to politicians. I told her he was the ultimate diplomat trying to make friends with people. I me coming to the 9 minutesWhite House asking me to be quiet that's not that's something that should be shared publicly.

I believe like it's free speech. So what does that have to do with anything we're talking about? Is is your argument are we now adjusting the goalpost to saying that at mid July of 2025 that's when Charlie didn't like me but he was back on stage referring to us as friends and saying that he would not be morally blackmailed against our friendship in August. It's ridiculous.

They're just lying about everything and chasing their own tails. But there is also another crash out that's happening, a sensitivity, so to speak, over a simple yes or no question, which I may or may not know the answer to, as to whether or not Charlie Kirk was cremated. I just sort of dropped that on the net. And the question immediately caused turning point and their mocking birds to come undone.

Blake Nef lost his mind. This was his response. He wrote again, "This is none of your business. You vile witch.

Okay. All right, Blakey, calm down. What are you so upset about? Yes or no?

Was Charlie's body cremated? And by the way, while we're asking this question, could the public get some clarity on what is and is not our business? Because I'm so old, I actually remember when Charlie's dead body in a casket less than after he was murdered was in fact made the public's business. And I've never seen this ever in my whole life.

People that I know who have never seen the inside of their casket like this uh presented publicly. Remember? Let's take a look. I love you.

I love you. I love you. I know. I love you.

I love you. I love you. God bless you. Can Can somebody comment on that?

Can somebody let us know if that's normal? I want you to think about the distance of the camera to Erica as she's saying goodbye to her husband. Is that normal? I'm also old enough to remember when the blood on Charlie's handheld microphone after he was murdered was used to fund raise at Mara Lago.

His literal blood on a microphone was apparently the public's business when people wanted to raise money. Here she is, Erica, next to the bloody mic looking down on it. The actual bloody mic. And here it is again, the bloody mic.

And I I think they may have even auctioned that painting. I'm not positive, but I think they did. I remember old enough to remember when the tent under which he was murdered was recreated and opened for selfie business. All of this was apparently okay for the public to have access to.

But this yes or no question, now all of a sudden she wants privacy. Also, let's let's back it up to a day before Charlie died when Erica posted her mother looking frail and sick in a wheelchair on Instagram. It I I would say in general, you guys remember this post? I would say in general, it does seem like public sympathy and using the theme of death to garner it is her thing.

So, I I don't this seems like an extraordinary carve out here. Like suddenly where he's buried or whether or not he's cremated is a bridge too far. like can we get a yes or no? Is he cremated?

But you actually notice apparently any questions surrounding the burial elicits this sort of a strong emotion. In fact, in retrospect, Erica made that clear early on. It's really the first time we ever actually saw her get fired up in public. We went from Tyler Robinson, I forgive him, that man, that man, I forgive him.

to a book tour where Harris Faulner on Fox News set her up with a question about how dark it would be. We're supposed to be like propagandized for people to even wonder speculate where Charlie is now buried. I feel like it would be more appropriate for us to know where he was buried than for us to be in the casket. But far be it from me um to assert that definitively.

Take a listen to this Fox News moment. Talk to me about this part of the conspiracies that are out there. this disturbing part that people are trying to guess where Charlie is. Can I have one thing?

Can I have one thing? Can my children have one thing? Everything was public. We will be building the most beautiful memorial for my husband at Turning Point USA and it will be for the world to see and it will be spectacular and it will have um basically museum style for our Charlie, for my Charlie.

But can I have one thing? Can my babies have one thing where we hold it sacred? Where my husband is laid to rest? where I don't have to be worried about some secular revolutionary coming and destroying my husband's grave while my daughter is sitting there praying one thing that this is my husband yes he was Charlie Kirk to the world and I know so many people love my husband and I am grateful for that but this is my husband and I want to be able to have one thing left that is sacred to our family to my in-laws to my babies and to my parents one terrible days of our lives acting truly like totally the question set up prompted and this is the response they told her backstage make sure you keep saying my Charlie my husband he's my my Charlie and you remind them that your babies need one thing seems a little weird to me a little sus little over the top I would [snorts] just answer the question I'd say yes he was cremated or no he was not cremated because the underlying significance here is obvious there's an ongoing murder case.

And it would be extremely unusual if you did cremate him until that case was formally concluded. It would also be unusual and weird because Charlie specifically told me that he never wanted to be cremated. So that's why I'm personally interested, but we'll see. I'm sure you guys will come up with something like he radically changed his mind in the last two weeks of his life on stage in Aspen and just went full 180 and was like, not only do I want Eric to run the company, but also please cremate me if I die in 3 weeks.

Chapter 4: The 911 call. Anyway, most crucially today to get to the big part, I would like to return to the alleged 911 call that took place from Charlie's security team in route to the hospital. We've been asking this question repeatedly. Where is that call that should be publicized?

It seems everyone's making all of these uh gamma requests. Independent investigators have downloaded, listened through all of the of the calls. No one seems to be able to find this conversation. And Brian Harpole was very clear in my lawsuit.

He he lies in the lawsuit. So I I wasn't sure if we could believe this, that a 911 call did take place. And what always stood out to me was that despite providing this near playbyplay of what everyone was doing during that short ride, this is what Rick was doing. Is it?

No one wants to take credit for dialing out to emergency services, right? They wanted to make everyone a hero. Frank maybe is or is not doing CPR while no one's looking. Uh Mikey has jumped into action and he is amazing and he's dialing up the vice president making arrangements.

They everyone has like a narrative here where they're supposed to be viewed as a superhero but when it comes down call they don't want to they don't want to answer. That's weird. Something weird must have happened. Well, we may have an answer to that.

And I want to say we're just at the beginning of this. We're going to have a lot more for you. This is going to be a crazy week. I don't know what's happened since the preliminary hearing, but it seems like true heroes are actually arising and people are starting to speak out um and really to go Max.

But I'll tell you about the tip, the solid tip I would like to add. So solid that I would very much caution people not to lie on record about this very quickly. Tip that we received is that the call did in fact take place. Not only that, uh, but it lasted anywhere from 3 to 5 minutes.

So, apparently someone phones 911 and then did not engage with the 911 operator. The phone sounds as though it's dropped. It's running for approximately without the caller recognizing that it was still on. So, almost like a 911 call turned butt dial.

We'll have to get more details of how that could have occurred. But in the midst what was heard on this call and what was captured rather on this call is quote we got him. We are taking him to the hospital. Okay.

Maybe that was supposed to be to the operator. A strange thing to say now on what's your emergency? We got him and we're taking him to the hospital. Maybe it was supposed to be said.

Uh almost sounds to me almost like a status update. uh followed by chaos followed by a voice saying get out of the way followed by what sounds like high rates of like speed is coming across so the car is moving quickly but here's where it gets super interesting also allegedly allegedly not for long the statement get that off of him get that off of him is captured on this alleged 911 call. Now, get what off of him is the first thing I think. Get what off of him?

Couple of options. Okay. Charlie didn't have much on him. He had a necklace which had broken.

He had on a white freedom t-shirt. he had on a road microphone. There's an off chance that some of that 36 feet of packaging uh needed to somehow get off of him. That doesn't really make sense because Brian's pretty clear that that went into him.

So, I don't know. But I will say that if this is true, and I believe that it is, then it might go some way in terms of explaining why this 911 call was mysteriously purged from the released calls. That's what it appears to be. mysteriously purged and why the turning point team who loved to tell us what everybody was doing.

CPR being amazing generally. Brian Harpole just getting to work doing a medical as he says. Rick Cutler with the tattoo, the mean tattoo, Justin Davis doing a thousand on the freeway. Yet they're reluctant to share who specifically dialed 911.

Brian Harpell says we dialed 911. Well, if something was picked up in the audio, if they maybe thought they ended the call and it didn't and they that's what's picked up, you might imagine that the public might have some questions about what they hear. Point being is um I think we are going to be able to firmly confirm who we is. We that dial 911 in the coming weeks, maybe even this week.

Chapter 5: Erika Kirk's appearance at Make Heaven Crowded tour. Well, you guys, maybe you did not go to church yesterday, but don't worry, we're bringing church to you. Get out your Bibles. We are about to go to Pursuit Church in Washington State.

I'm ready. We've got Pastor Russell. What's he going to give us? I'm thinking I don't know about you, I'm hoping maybe we're going to maybe we're going to be in the Corinthians.

Paul's letter to the Corinthians. Let's hear what Pastor Russell has to say. Take a listen. Beware of conservativism that is void of Christ.

Beware of talking head personalities who pedal conspiracy theories to their room temperature IQ audiences in hopes of generating a few more clicks and a few more dollars for their narcissistic pseudo empires. Beware of modernday Ahabs and Jezebels who sit behind microphones in aironditioned studios running their podcasts monetizing tragedy attempting to [music] depress the people, divide the movement and stop us from building in this unprecedented era of opportunity. See, the left finds itself in the position it does today because it failed to properly address the fringe elements of their own party who now dominate their platform present day. I refuse to make the same mistake actual music.

I refuse to allow the 25 minutesconservative movement to be taken over by vitriolic Jew haters, white nationalist anti-semites, or Muslimfunded ex Fox News personalities. What Charlie started, we have the responsibility to finish. The foundation he laid, we must build upon. I mean, look, if they're applauding, I will applaud.

I just love the person who's strumming. Could you imagine that job? It's like trying to get that like I don't know that he's a guitar hero right there. Trying to get people to feel the vibes of that.

It's so cringe. It's so embarrassing. Is it a church? Can it be real?

Could he really be a pastor? Well, he's got he's relatable. Pastor Russell, I've got ripped jeans on. Look how he's dressed.

That is just so disrespectful to even dress like that. Look at this. This is one of America's favorite pastors. Look at that.

Look at that right knee. See, it's ripped. He's cool. It's relatable.

You can obviously he's a real pastor and he's he's giving people the good word. Of course, it's a turning point faith event. I'm sorry, guys. I tricked you.

Close your Bibles. You're not receiving the good word. You're going to receive a grift. I'm sorry.

I was confused. The faith grift. This is the brainwashing program that pretends it's not political and that it's faithful aimed at the youth. That's like I'm telling you that's why he's got he just I think he bought those jeans whole and just cut it.

I just feel like he cut that at the knee. Anyway, Erica spoke at this event because this is the Make Kevin Crowded tour. So, he's getting her all revved up and the audience fired up. And once again, I just generally have no idea what Erica is ever saying, what these pastors are ever saying.

And I realized this is a new language. This is Christian. People are now just speaking in circles and randomly inserting the Bible into circles. I'm tired of pretending and I was very happy to see uh Stanley Kubrick's daughter Vivian Kubri actually.

She's been amazing on X and she just took this event and was like no one knows what these people are saying. No one knows what any of this means. This is a new lang. It's Christianes.

These people speak Christianes. And Vivian Kubri laid out Erica, right? She's not interesting. She's not capable.

She's not intelligent. I'm sorry that people now have to be rude and assert it. But I have said from the beginning, this is the Camala Harris campaign and this institutional power trying to make somebody a thing who would not be where they are on the basis of a pure meritocracy. And then they launch these strong emotional arguments and people notice.

How dare you, you know, you know, Biden's suffering. Cabala is here to bring us together. How dare you uh make fun of an old man who's suffering. And you know, Cabala is here to take his place.

This was the Camala Harris camp. Nobody voted for her and she's here and they're just going to pretend she's got the IT factor. Anyway, I want you to take a listen like to what Erica says. If you are not fluent in Christianes, this may confuse you because people just keep applauding and pretending that there's something profound in what she's delivering.

She just This is It's a car crash. It's just a car crash and it's just sad because Charlie was the exact opposite. Take a listen. I have been I've always been heaven focused, but way more heaven focused now since the murder of Charlie in a way that I still cannot fully um fully explain.

But someone once told me that eternal life begins the moment that you that you truly know Christ. And it's so true because when you understand that, it changes the whole meaning of suffering. And it and it changes it in a way where you understand that that heaven now literally invades your life in the most beautiful way. And it again it's so hard to explain but I know that all of you we all have our own 29 minutescross to carry and we just will always run into a lot of grief in life.

That's just life. That's just the way it is. But sweet nothings just it's all running into each other. It's just and she's reading off of an iPad.

She's not just riing. She'll just get up there, talk, talk, talk talk, speak to people, engage. This is why she can't debate. It's why she can't do four hours on a Sean Ryan podcast because there's no substance here.

And I mean that truly. Here's another clip of this from the same speech. And she's going to get a standing ovation here. Take a listen.

It would be so easy for me to just surrender and give up. So easy. But my kids are watching me. My kids are watching me.

My co-workers are watching me. My family is watching me. Cloud of Witnesses is watching me and I will not give up and neither will you guys. Okay.

So, just to the point about your kids watching, you should be watching your kids. It's been kind of one of the broader points that we've been making. Their kids are probably watching you wondering why you weren't watching them. Um, and especially because they don't have a father.

There's no I mean, it's just none of that makes any sense. But anyways, I wanted to show you this account on Instagram which will make you chuckle because this is what it reminds me of every time I have to listen to her spew this Christian. Every time I have to listen to these pastors pretend they're saying something profound. The account holder on Instagram is Devonte West and he just mocks broadly speaking.

So this is not about Erica just this new culture of sweet nothingness Christian girl boss podcasting which just feel every Yes. Yes. Yes. And nobody really knows what they're saying.

Take a listen and a watch. And I love this thing my pastor said. " Wow. I love that.

Right. And it's within that faithfulness that you will have faith. Right. And and and and so what what [music] drives me crazy is people say, "I I want trust.

I want to be trusted. But [music] are you trustworthy? Can I trust you? [laughter] Yeah, [music] because it is through that trustworthiness that then I can I can trust you.

[music] But if you know Yeah. And people want things and they have not been the thing. It's like [laughter] how can you want to be skinny if you never been fat? Not quite.

What the freak? What the f? And so it it baffles [music] me because Mhm. You say you want food, but have you ever been hungry?

Jesus, I'm hungry right [laughter] now. I want some food. [music] Double cheeseburger. Same thing.

There's no difference happening here. He's even got the music in the background. Someone's just strumming that guitar. It's a grift.

Christian Ease needs to stop. Stop pretending it's profound. It's not. It's us just gearing toward this idiocracy.

It really is. And everyone can see through it. even if you're wearing ripped jeans, but somebody get Dvonte West at Turning Point USA faith contract because that man should be on tour. Now, I do want to tell you this.

We broke a story Chapter 6: Source says Kolvet will be in DC. Bibi flies in. recently, and you guys let me know in my ear if there's been an update, but I tweeted this earlier today. My source was pretty solid.

I will say that. I said, "I received a tip from someone in Andrew's inner circle that he along with Turning Point in-house lawyer plus the CMO, Marina Minez, are headed to the White House today. It would certainly could certainly be unrelated, but I would be remiss if I didn't mention that BB Netany and Yahoo is also slated to land into Washington DC in a couple of hours. Now, um Andrew instantly responded to this, I mean very fast, as he normally is to slap it down.

He said this. He wrote, "Lol, no, can confirm I'm not in DC. Same is true for our in-house lawyer and CMO. While we're at it, Candace claimed I was in DC on January 29th meeting with Top Brass and that I staged some elaborate pre-record with Cash Patel.

Also false. I would check your source, Candace. Oh, that's right. You don't check your sources.

So, parking aside him then trying to relitigate another situation, which he's also lying about. Um, it was very obvious to me that he's being particular by saying he's not in DC today. BBNet and Yahoo lands today and has a meeting tomorrow. So, I just broadened the question tiny bit, came right back at him.

um and said, "Thanks for the quick response. Not typical with you guys. " And then I followed up again. I don't know if you guys pulled it and asked him and to be specific like did did you guys do you have a meeting?

Crickets. It's been two and a half hours. He was really fast. And then now he's really busy or something.

Maybe somebody said he's on a flight to DC, but you know, they keep trying to pretend like our sources aren't solid. Has anybody broke more news? When we go back and we had that list of the news that we broke, the things that we have shown, pretending that we don't have solid sources everywhere, to be able to give photos of the SUV after uh Charlie was taken to the hospital, something you guys don't want to speak about, to be able uh to give the information that we have given eyewitness accounts. Uh you're pretending that we don't have solid sources is just completely crazy.

And like I said, this one's pretty solid. It's in your orbit. It's pretty solid. And I may be able to even produce a receipt tomorrow.

So, I'm just going to ask again to Andrew openly, do you have a meeting scheduled at the White House? You and and Marina Minez and Frank the in-house lawyer. And I'm actually hearing there could be some more people. I wrote, "We may have I meant to say you may have become busy, but would be great to get an updated response here.

Was or is the TPUSA team slated to meet in the White House this week, which happens to coincide with Netanyahu's trip, Marina MZ, Frank, and yourself? I'm happy to correct the record if wrong. Thanks in advance. Sorry to be a stickler on the details.

Maybe it wasn't today. You're supposed to be in DC today. Meeting tomorrow, maybe the meeting on Wednesday. It'd be great to hear back from you.

Let us know. The timing seems particular. Now, uh BB Netanyahu is saying that he is flying in for the same reason Zalinsky is flying in. when these killers come to DC, it's to dictate their terms.

BB will be probably in the situation room telling Trump who else has to die for the Empire of Ball. Um, and so it's not good. Uh, it's particular that this he's coming under the guise of Lindsey Graham's funeral, state funeral. Disgusting.

By the way, anybody trying to pretend that Lindsey Graham was not an absolute creep who was clearly blackmailed is deluding themselves. But that's not they a funeral is just the guys. Like I said, it's just the guys. And I find that timing to be particular because we know Andrew Kova is on record.

He does not like Lindsey Graham. So he's they're not going in pertaining to Lindsey Graham's funeral. Allegedly, if they're going in, like I said, I meant that publicly. I'm happy to correct the record.

I'd be careful lying. Nothing is worse than when you ask for something and then I drop the receipt. We've been doing that a lot, Andrew. You and I doing it a lot.

you just keep getting exposed as a liar. So tread carefully. You don't have to reply so quickly or you know what, you don't have to reply so angrily. Just be like, I'm not sure that's correct or just say nothing.

It's better than the audaciousness of your lies which you just keep getting trapped in. So anyway, um we are go. But I just want to say this also, guys. I have explosive stuff to report to you guys this week.

Like, bad time, Andrew, to say that our sources are bad. That you couldn't have picked a worse week for you and the homies to try to make this happen where you just keep pretending we don't have receipts because we got a lot to drop this week. It's going to be a bad It's not even a good week for you guys to go to DC. You got to be at home.

Okay. There's like going to be a fire, a figurative fire. You know, you got to be at home for the figurative fire because we are going to bring some heat this week and you're going to look like the liars that you are lie about the dumb stuff. Why are we lying about Candace and Charlie having a friendship?

Why are we lying about a meeting? Now it's weird. Now the meeting is weird. You could have just been like, "Yeah, we're meeting.

We're we're going to go that week. " Now it's awkward. " They have got to get a new spokesperson for Turning Point USA. We'll be right back after a brief break.

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Breaking My Silence After 10+ years with Turning Point USA
Mitchell Manley
Artifex Memoriarum
Jul 19, 2026

Full conversation with @TheBlackLineBrief, including my reaction to the long lost Charlie clip...

Earlier today I sat down to break down my discovery of the full cut and share some thoughts on everything that’s been unfolding. This is the complete discussion.



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The Black Line brief starts Now, [music] [music] what is up everybody? Happy Saturday. What's up, Mitchell? How you doing, man?

Dude, I'm fired up, man. I'm doing well. Happy Saturday. Thanks for having me on.

Yeah, dude. Welcome. Yeah, it was good prepping before we went live, finding some stuff that we're going to get to share for the first time here on YouTube. Um, well, welcome in everybody.

Welcome to another episode of the Black Line Brief. I'm your host, Matthew McCam. And tonight we have a very special guest, Mitchell Meech Manley, known on X, also as Artifacts memor. Meech is a Phoenix-based video producer, photographer, and independent commentator covering politics, culture, and what he sees as the broader decline of American society.

His story is unique because it isn't based on secondhand reporting. It's based on over a decade of firsthand experience. He began working with Turning Point USA as a teenager and spent nearly 13 years behind the camera alongside Charlie Kirk, helping capture campus debates, produce documentaries, and document the rise of one of the most influential conservative organizations in America. After leaving TPUSA in 2023, he pursued his passion for media and established himself as a successful music photographer.

In 2024, he returned as part of Charlie Kirk's contracted media crew, serving as one of the three primary camera operators responsible for filming campus debates, major events, and rallies, including operating a broadcast camera at five President Trump campaign rallies. Today, Meech is writing two books. The first gambling gooming and [ __ ] slop the decline of the American male explores the cultural spiritual and political forces reshaping the next generation of young men. The second is a memoir reflecting on his 13 years alongside Charlie Kirk and Turning Point USA.

In recent months, through his long form writing and commentary on X, Meech has begun speaking publicly about his experiences, offering firsthand insight into the institutions he once helped build and challenging narratives he believes deserves closer scrutiny. Please join me in welcoming Mitchell Meech Manley to the Black Line Brief.

Yeah, thank you so much for having me, Matt. I really appreciate it.

I do want to clarify, it's actually just going to be one book. The title GGG decline of the American Male is kind of the overworking title and then the subtitle is like a a memoir and then kind of just like a personal thing on what I experienced there and again kind of why I'm speaking out which yeah thank you for the introduction.

Obviously as you said I met Charlie Kirk when I was 15 years old and had the unique opportunity of having a hand in developing what became Turning Point USA and what it is today. Which is obviously part of why I'm speaking out because I don't feel as though, you know, a lot of the rhetoric that is coming from the corporate institution that is Turning Point, some of the mouthpieces that are paid to speak for them, however you want to call it, don't reflect the original values that Charlie Kirk instilled in the company and ultimately gave his life for.

So it's it's been a crazy career. I never wanted to be in this position, you know, in front of the camera. I have always been behind the camera for a reason because I didn't want to do this. But I think that in times like these are when the things that people say and then the values that they claim to uphold and believe really get put to the test because this this does feel like a very dark hour for our nation's history.

And it's in times like those when your values are put to the test. And you know, a lot of people that I have worked closely with over the years, I thought would do the right thing, would stand for truth, would ask the tough questions, even even if it was the hard thing to do, even if it cost them a job. And that's part of what's happened to me. Butagain, I'm doing this because it's right, not because I have any any ulterior motives, any financial interest in this.

It actually has impacted me financially as well. So, you know, that's just kind of an overarching view of kind of who I am, my story. But thanks again for having me on. I really do appreciate it. Yeah.

No, I'm stoked to have you here, man. Watching you and being part of some of the X spaces and listening to you tell your story from personal experience over 13 years with Charlie from the early years, right? And then you knowing a lot of these people personally and seeing what Turning Point was while Charlie was still alive, the evolution of him, especially in the last few years, like from 2023 to 2025 and then watching what they've done to TPUSA in the wake of his assassination since September 10th. I'm so glad for people like you.

We had Aubrey Leech come out and then she kind of went through the ringer, you know, and I can imagine why she's kind of been a a little bit more quiet since then. But I'm glad that there's good people that are willing to take the risk and and come out and speak the truth, you know.

No, it it has to be done, I think. And um you know, it's one of those things that if more good people were willing to stand in times like these and and speak the things that I know that they're feeling inside, then we wouldn't have the media machine attacking people such as Aubrey and potentially myself and I haven't really faced too much scrutiny yet.

I've had a couple instances of it, but it's one of those things that also for me I am aware of, I'm expectant of, right? We are in a political world. We're in a political society, so we should expect these sorts of things. But also I feel as though I'm standing on the side of truth, on the on the side of Christ, and these people aren't.

And when you do that, it's very easy. At first I kind of posted the things that I said and I was kind of worried. I was like, dang, is there anything else I have to say? Do I have anything else to add to the conversation?

And I found that the more that these people lie, the more I'm able to just kind of respond to them from the point of truth. And it sounds crazy, but the more that people lie, the easier it gets to kind of tear those lies down. And I think we're seeing that kind of take place right now. Yeah.

Yeah. And I think once you start telling a lie then you have to tell more lies to cover that lie up and then it just becomes so intricate and difficult especially with these idiots that are doing it. They slip up so much. It's great to have people that actually can speak about the real experience of being there and knowing that they're lying.

And there's people like Matthew Tuteron who also is really honing in on Tyler Boyer, who is someone you've honed in on as well. And I agree when you really look into who Tyler Boyer is, his family, Terrell Farnsworth, Arizona, LDS, the political connections that those families have in Arizona, right? He was being investigated, prosecuted, and then he got a pardon on campaign finance issues, and then now we have finance issues within turning point. And you're like oh, who was there do that? That was Tyler. And who's here? Oh, it's Tyler. I really think that as we pull on that thread, we're going to get to more of the bottom of this.

I think you're 100% right. It's why I have been applying as much pressure as I have, why his statements were the ones that made me speak out to begin with, right? I had for the last nine months, 10 months, kept my head in the sand, so to speak. Stayed off Twitter, cuzI was upset. I was frustrated. Deep down inside I knew what had happened, which I believe we've kind of begun to pull the truth and the mask off of, if you will, and reveal the truth on that, which is that this was more than likely a very deep state conspiracy potentially working with those aligned with the nation state of Israel, to silence a man who was being very openly critical of our nation's alignment with them, our nation's partnership with them.

And I think that the more that people such as Tyler Boyer run from accountability, run from basic questions, all it was for me was he put out a tweet around the time of the women's leadership summit that they just had last month, and it was a very watered down kind of, "Many weren't around at the start of turning point, and this is what it was about," and I was like Tyler yes, this is part of it, but you're missing the root, like what made Charlie Charlie. You're missing everything really. And I threw in a clip of Charlie as well. And that's again something I'm trying to do.

I'm not doing this for me. I'm doing this because I watched someone I considered a very close friend and mentor and ally get murdered in broad daylight. And the people who were right there alongside him saying we need to ask questions all the time; we have to hold the government accountable; specifically in the instance of JFK, are now doing a complete 180, and not doing that. So for me, I genuinely am coming at this from a place of of good faith, and just wanting to get to the root of it. And it seems that those who have benefited the most in the wake of Charlie's unfortunate demise are the ones also now telling us to not ask questions; to trust the government; to trust the evidence, when for years these were the same people who were calling themselves "thought criminals," who were covering the Kenosha trial backing Kyle Rittenhouse, while the media machine came after him and labeled him guilty before he even faced a jury. And I think that the parallels there are hypocritical.

And the whole time, all we see is Tyler Boyer, and turning point action pushing people to the next election, while we're not even holding this administration accountable. That's the question I have for Tyler is why would anyone my age in this generation who's watched what has just taken place, who's watched what the administration did to Charlie, and in the wake of his death, why would I ever vote Republican again? When when all they do is betray us the minute they get power. And the one person who was supposed to be the one holding them accountable. The one person who trusted them the most to get them into office. That's why we campaigned for you guys as hard as we did. That's why we went to 40 campuses together. You guys were supposed to not go to a new war. You guys were supposed to give us the truth on the Epstein files. You guys were supposed to do mass deportations. You guys were supposed to do a lot of things that in the wake of Charlie Kirk's death, you're not doing.

Well, why are you not doing that? I don't care really about the what. I am much more of a why person. I just keep asking questions. I never shut up, Matt. I will never stop asking questions. Charlie taught me to do that from 15 years old. So, I get to the why. And I think I think we're beginning to uncover a larger part of that why. And I think many people know what that why is. They're just afraid to say it out loud, because they saw what happened to Charlie. They've seen what happened to people like me. This media machine is vicious. It does not want the truth to get out there. But for us Christians, the truth will set us free. And the truth will inevitably be revealed.

And I think we are slowly getting there. And the clip that we found, you know, just a couple minutes ago when we were talking, I think, is a large part of that truth.

Yeah. And we're going to play it here in a minute.

I've said this a couple times, that Turning Point, and Real America's Voice, the Charlie Kirk show, that whole apparatus, is the new Fox News.

Well, I think that it's actually going to be much larger than that. And I think that if we look at the financial backings of it, we look at the foreign interest backing, and I brought this up yesterday when I was speaking with Constitution, Salem Media is working with Brad Parscale, who's a registered foreign agent. And what foreign country are they working for? The nation state of Israel, right? And so, as Charlie said in that clip in 2023, you can label someone as Elon Musk an anti-semite; you could label Charlie Kirk an anti-semite; you can try and kill him for what he was saying, and as we now know from Blake Neff, he had confirmed that he was in fact leaving the Israel lobby. That was going to happen. You can label me an anti-semite if you want. Your labels mean nothing to me when you work for Satan.

I stand for Christ. I know what you did to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. So these actions do not surprise me. And that's the thing I want Christians to hear is that, guys, we have to be realists with this.

We are in a spiritual war. Politics is the front that they are using to wage the spiritual war on good-hearted Christians. There are millions of Christians who are deceived, that are sitting in churches every Sunday, that push Zionism ultimately which at the end of the day worships the same death cult that crucified our Lord and Savior Jesus. And and that's why I keep saying the time for spiritual discernment is is now. We have to be thinking critically. We have to be using the very complex brains that God gave us. We cannot be letting these people who get paid to lie to us, lie and get away with it, and reshape our society. This is the hour of crisis as far as I've seen it.

I'm 27 years old, but I feel like this trial, and everything that has ensued from Charlie's assassination, the chaos is what the deep state is using to install this new world order that we now know is three and a half years out, 2030, right? Like everyone forgets that. You know, everyone was panicking about it back in 2020.

Now we're six years in, six and a half, right? And 2030 is right around the corner. You guys think that the intelligence agencies, and everyone, the World Economic Forum, all these people just stopped advancing that that because they forgot about it. No. In fact, they're very happy you forgot about it. They're also using this moment to distract you from a lot of that, and they're ushering in things under your noses that you guys don't realize is happening while you're focused on the 80 different distractions that Paramount Tactical and all the rest are feeding you. This is an information war. This is a disinformation war. We are in the middle of it. We've been in the middle of it for years. Charlie was the leading voice in that fight, and they silenced him.

And I'm not going to sit here and let them lie, and turn him in to a prop for this illegitimate establishment. I refuse to do it. I'm sorry. Yeah. And honestly, I followed Charlie for years. And I believed what he believed about Trump, right? I knew that. We all did. And him being an honest, good, man of integrity, someone to look up to, not Trump, Charlie. And that he knew JD and Trump personally, and that there's no way Charlie would have got out there and told us that we can vote for them and believe in them unless he believed it himself.

He wasn't lying to us. He truly believed that JD and Trump were going to follow through on all their promises. And I was saying this last night that if Charlie was alive, they had to do September 10th. It had to be then. Because if he was alive for Venezuela, if he was alive for no Epstein release, and if he was alive for the actual war, not just the freaking midnight hammer war, the real war, the regime change war, which he and all of his guys on Thought Crime were saying, "If they try to talk us into a regime change war, we got a problem," if Charlie would have been alive for that, and we had Candace, Megan, Tucker, Charlie, all going at the same time, like it would have been so bad. It would have been so bad for them. No, this was a warning to everyone in that circle. It was a warning to Megan Kelly. It was a warning to Jack Posobic. It was a warning to all of these people. "Stop. Look what we can do to you. You want to not get in line now that we're in power? Look what we will do to you."

And again, it goes back to what Charlie said time and time again in relation to Butler, right? Look what they want. This goes back to how he trusted them to not kowtow, and bend the knee, right? He trusted this administration to actually combat the deep state. I don't know if it's possible at this point. I truly question that. That brings me to a larger point we might get to later. And I think you see it most in the Tucker Carlson interview he did a couple weeks before he goes on the record and says how much he trusts Kash Patel, how much he trusts Pam Bondi, how much he trusts everyone to clean house, basically to give us this new country that we were promised, right? And which we're now learning was a pipe dream. To get us to this point of division and chaos that they can just usher in whatever they want without any of us noticing, right? And by then it'll be too late. By then you won't have -the same freedoms you had, you know, 10 years ago. It goes to the Tim Dylan clip that that I love, that he did a a couple months back. It is so apparent to me and and yet it is so effective at the same time because these people are legendary deceivers, right? They are demons in my opinion.

Like I said, we are in a spiritual war. And so people say all the time, to try and and and combat my viewpoint, Charlie Kirk was such an intelligent man, by attacking Erika you and those in his circle are saying that he wasn't smart enough to see their character. And I think if we look at what happened to the entire American population, we all were deceived, and Charlie himself. And if you look at history, it's very naive to think that the greatest men throughout history, the smartest men, have never been deceived, in spite of their intelligence, in spite of how effective they are. That is at the core of all historic struggles. It's betrayal and mutinies. Like just look at Julius Caesar for example. He was one of the most effective people, but they still got him. And so I think that everyone using that as a defense, again, it's a disinformation war, and I would not be doing what I'm doing if I didn't think that this moment in our nation's history is important. I think that in 1775 there was a shout heard around the world, and it led to the foundation of this nation that has been an experiment up until this point, and it still is.

It's a test, right? And there's a sense in which the intelligence agencies are always testing us. And I think that this is a litmus test in many ways for what we will tolerate as people. But in 1775 we had that, and then in 2025 we had a shot that was heard around the world, and we didn't have newspapers, we didn't need newspapers, because we have cell phones now, and so 1776, it's now 2026, 250 years later, and I think that God is giving us a time to pause and reflect. The government, and everyone who is afraid of them is saying, "China is our enemy, communism is our enemy." When Charlie Kirk was brutally executed in broad daylight, in public, three months before his death saying the imminent threat to our nation is the deep state, this apparatus that creates events of national chaos, and stages national trauma events such as Butler, to push whatever it is, this is so complex that it is difficult to tear down, and they use force to intimidate, and fear to keep people from getting to the truth. Well, Matt, fear is not from our Lord. It's not.

And that's why I'm speaking up now, because for so long I was afraid, and I finally realized fear is not from our Lord. And that this earth is temporal. And I hope that these people are having as much fun as they want here because I do genuinely think that they will be judged for their actions here in the next life. And it's just insane to me where we're at, and I truly hope that people stop focusing on the smaller issues, and truly pay attention to what part of the timeline they're in, because it does seem to be escalating very quickly to me.

There's so much I want to say about that, so I got to find a way to weave it so that I don't miss any parts. I was always drawn to the wake of World War II, right, when the OSS became the CIA, Operation Paperclip and the scientists that we brought over. But then I'm really fascinated with JFK, and what you see is the institutions and the power structures that he was running up against who I believe are responsible for his assassination are one and the same people that Charlie was running up against, the intel agencies.

And then talking about Israel, JFK was not wanting them to have a nuclear program. He was going to do inspections, and make them register as foreign agents. They weren't having that. And then obviously after he got assassinated, LBJ undid all that. Similarly, Charlie took on Israel. Not in the way that some people are making it out to be. I think that biblically, he still believed that there was some part of us as Christians that should support true Jewish people, right? Not the Likud Party, extreme neocon versions of the Israel political government, right? Because he did have an affinity for Israel, and the birthplace of Jesus, and where the Bible was, where it happened. But definitely he was asking the right questions about their involvement here, their control, and their purchasing our politicians, and getting us to sign up for foreign wars where we lose thousands and thousands of servicemen and women, where they lie to us and say that there are weapons of mass destruction in Iran, in Iraq, and there's nothing. And then he just repeats that.

Have you seen that montage of him? Like every time he said it for 30 years. And then we bomb Iran in Midnight Hammer, and they're like success! We did it!

And I want to point out something about Midnight Hammer, because it is something that people use to discredit Charlie. And it's that Charlie blindly trusted President Trump when we bombed Iran in 2020 or 2025, and destroyed their nuclear. Well, that's the thing, right? And it still exists on the White House website. I watched Charlie's stream that night. He was very much like, "This is an escalation. We didn't vote for this. Like we need to be careful. This may have been necessary, but we're going to see what happens after. We're going to trust his intelligence." And then Trump told us that they destroyed the nuclear facilities.

So until Charlie died, he was under the impression that there wasn't really a need for a war in Iran. And then if you go back a couple months prior, you see that 16-minute video that I also have on my profile, which is Charlie just laying out why we do not need another war, why we shouldn't go to war in Iran. He calls Lindsay Graham pathologically insane. And now we have people in his studio, Blake Neff, writing puff pieces on Lindsay Graham after his death. It's insane.

And that gets me to my deeper point, which I don't think anyone's talking about, which is that this feels like a managed decline of the biggest threat to the deep state by the deep state itself. I think that many of these people are operating intentionally, because their statements are so blatantly NOT in line with the statements Charlie was making right before his death that it seems like they're walking it back. And if you think about intelligence agencies, and how they operate, they're always focused on the next generation, because once your brain gets past a certain point, it's no longer malleable.

I'm very blessed to have been able to have spent my entire young adult life around Charlie Kirk. So my brain operates a little bit differently than the average American. But that's not the case for many people. And Charlie Kirk and his organization were at a point where he was going to college campuses and pulling crowds of 1,000 to 3,000 students. And that's the reason we got the administration we did. That's the reason we got the mandate that we did. And that's also why the intelligence agencies that have been so focused on propping up the same institution that began, in my opinion, after the reconstruction of Germany, and the foundation of the nation state of Israel, right around the time of the end of World War II as well. It's going to be part of my book. But that's what this is all about. This is so much NOT about the Left or the Right, or anything like that. This is a much deeper issue, a philosophical fundamental nation-breaking issue that they don't want us talking about.

And that's the reason why for the last, I don't know, at least 40 years, our nation has been controlled and subverted by these people, who don't want us talking about the exact things that I am talking about right now. And what's crazy is Jack Posobiec, Blake Neff, Andrew Kolvet, Tyler Boyer, they were on Thought Crime in July.

I posted that video. I was the one who put that up first. I played it here a month or a couple weeks ago, and that's where they call Zelinsky a [ __ ]. These are the type of people that are now labeling myself, Candace Owens, who was one of Charlie's very early friends, conspiracy theorists, for questioning our government, when again, if you look at the media matters clip I played, Charlie Kirk wasn't even the biggest voice saying these things. Elon Musk was agreeing with these things back in 2023. But now I just got censored two days ago on Twitter for saying the same thing that Charlie Kirk said two days before he died, which is that the Jews run the media.

So, wait, what happened on X? You got censored.

I put out a tweet a couple days ago, or a couple months back, that the Jews run the media, and they have enough money to put whoever they want into office. And it got struck by X as inciting violence. So how can Elon Musk three years ago agree with Charlie Kirk that Jewish groups are inciting violence against whites, but now I get on X and say the same thing that Charlie Kirk said a couple days before his death to Ben Shapiro, and now I'm getting silenced on X, and you expect me to sit here and listen to you when you tell me this lone shooter narrative? Isn't this the larger conspiracy theory, to silence voices that are speaking out?

It doesn't add up, because listen to the words I'm saying. I'm not hateful. I'm not anything. I am very much rooted in reality. I'm intellectual. I'm smart. I spent 13 years working for Charlie Kirk. So I'm not the enemy, of the state you're trying to label me as. And neither is Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens or Joe Kent. None of these people are.

That's why Joe Kent and I are talking, because this is not political anymore. They're using politics to divide us as they always have. The issue is the masks are off. The demons are out on stage, and they are here to keep their power. It is time for Christians to get involved. I'm serious. We can't do this alone. We will lose this country. It will happen. 100%.

Why don't we hop into the clip that you found?

So Elon Musk was being labeled an anti-semite. Charlie retweets him and actually talks about it on his show. Do you know what Elon had to do in order to get him to not be labeled an anti-semite anymore? Do you know what he had to do? It was the same thing that happened to Kanye West when they labeled him an anti-semite, which is he had to go meet with a very specific council of all Jewish members, and make some very private public apologies. Guess who accompanied Elon to Israel? He was given the tour. That's right. And then guess who Charlie Kirk's security called on the way to the hospital? Ben Shapiro. So you expect me to not notice these connections here, guys?You are the ones who are liars and conspiracy theorists, because the theory that you are presenting is a lie, and it's not true.

A 20-year-old male does not hate Charlie Kirk enough to go ruin him for the rest of his life like that. I'm sorry. It's just so unfathomable to me. But if you look at the threat that Charlie Kirk posed to the deep state in the way that I have just presented, and continue presenting, that is the most believable motive in my opinion. And Charlie said himself on the 10X conference with Grant Cardone that he wasn't afraid of any purple-haired jihadist leftists. He said that the people that concerned him the most were people in his inner circle. People who were close to him, people who deceived him, betrayed him, lied to him, or told him he couldn't or shouldn't do something, or wouldn't amount to anything. He said that himself. And furthermore, in Lance Twiggs's own interview, he said that Tyler Robinson never even brought up Charlie's name. Never talked about transgender ideology. It never came up. Lance Twiggs himself said that the only thing that Tyler spoke to him about was some political legislation things that were either being voted on, or not being voted on, because on the way to work, Tyler would ride in this work van with his co-workers and they would listen to some political radio show. But that he was supposedly radicalized to the degree that he planned this assassination in a week and a half, or two weeks, and pulled off the assassination of our lifetime, and then never ever brought anything up to his boyfriend who's he's living with? That just doesn't make any sense to me. Never said Charlie's name.

Well, what also doesn't make sense is that we've learned that the FBI had prior knowledge, thanks to Andrew Kovette. They sent allegedly threatening texts and Tik Toks to the FBI before the shooting happened. That's what Blake said the other night. So if that's the case, then I have questions why protective measures weren't taken, preventive measures. And if Andrew Kolvette knew that they weren't taken, why did he let Charlie go out to the tent if they had threats already? So those those two things indicate a deep state involvement to me that they're trying to get us all to ignore, and not think about, and not pay attention to. I've raised these questions publicly to almost all the people we're talking about while they're happy to publicly try and roast other people, and all I get is blocked and ignored.

I think these people overplayed their hand in a sense. It's like how are you going to take out the guy who told us all to question our government relentlessly? I don't know.

But I want to get back to your point, which is the threat aspect. If Charlie Kirk was afraid of Leftists murdering him in public, I don't think he would be going to a college campus and letting a crowd of 3,000 people come within 10 ft in front of him. I'll be honest with you, as someone who toured with him, that was my biggest fear, was somebody coming up and point blank shooting, having something concealed and just bang, because logically that's the easiest thing to do. Whenever my back was turned to the crowd and facing Charlie, I would be like, If he misses, god forbid. It's just things you think about when you're in this environment every day.

I don't think a lot of people understand the energy that Charlie brought when he was in his element on these tours, the change that he was making in young people's lives, because again, this was more than politics, this was spiritual. He was bringing people to Christ, and getting people to think critically and logically about the world, and break out from the brainwashing. His tour was called, "You're being brainwashed." And now look at what they're trying to do to us with this tour. They are trying to brainwash you. I promise you that's what's happening. On a national level, there are multiple layers to it. They are doing it in many different ways.

But if Charlie Kirk was afraid of Leftists, he wouldn't tour on college campuses the way that he did. He just wouldn't. And they would have a much tighter security apparatus if that was the case. And that wasn't the case. The guys that toured with him, the security guys, I know a lot of them. I worked very closely alongside them. And as far as I was concerned, I thought they all would take a bullet for Charlie if it came to that. Granted, the way we saw it play out, they didn't have an opportunity to. But I have questions about the measures that were taken after, and the decisions that were made, as any logical person who really cared about Charlie would.

I waited 9 months to kind of observe, and I wanted to trust that these people who came out initially and said certain things, were going to do the things that they said were going to uphold the values, and the work that this man had given his life for, the fight that we are in the middle of and on the brink of honestly losing. And I don't think many realized it, because we're in a disinformation war, and that's why I'm trying to get this message out as best I can, because I feel that time is very much of the essence.

Well, I think that's a good time to pull on that thread. So, why don't you do a brief recap of the early days when you were there, and what it was like, and how it really how started to change in about 2018, right? That's when Erika Kirk came in the picture.

I think it was later than that, dude. It was more like 2021, 2020. And it really wasn't until then. Yeah. The reshaping by all those people who got brought in much later, really. Well, Andrew Kolvette came in in 2018, but he wasn't an influential person then. That's what I'm saying. These people were brought in, and then slowly brought up into positions of influence, and then they all ended up where they are now. They were all picked by Tyler. I mean Tyler's the reason that Erika and Charlie know each other.

I should just let you take us through it.

I just want to get it out there, that manufactured crisis that Charlie had where he couldn't resolve it on his own, and had to reach out to Andrew, even though Andrew had already given Charlie his number, and Charlie was ghosting him. But then there was this crisis that happened that he couldn't resolve, and that's how Andrew came in the picture. I don't really know how he got brought in, and it all felt very suspicious to me. I'll give you my perspective of what I witnessed in 2018, is that none of these people were involved. Tyler had handpicked this girl who just graduated from TCU. Her name was Sarah. She was going to run the media side of things for Charlie, which eventually turned into what is now the media department at Turning Point, and then the Charlie Kirk show, which are now separate entities. They were kind of run interchangeably in the early days as Charlie was figuring stuff out.

But in 2020, the Charlie Kirk show was still pretty unknown. We had the election, and I was a college student, working for Charlie as an intern. I watched his email inbox get 60,000 emails in the span of two days, because Charlie and Tyler were going live four to six hours every night after Charlie had already done his daily stream and everything else. They would get back on the air, and do election coverage in the evening. And no one was doing that at the time. This was historic. And that's why we had so many people reach out to us.

And on top of that, we got a massive influx of money. People were sending us money like no tomorrow, cuz again, we're nonprofit. Charlie's doing this on his own. We're independent. We're not establishment at this point. We're very much just grassroots fighting our own fight. A lot of the people I ended up touring with are still the guys doing the show today. So it was a family. We were all in this fight together.

And from there, it started to evolve. Mikey McCoy and Pastor Rob McCoy got brought into the mix. And then, Andrew Kolvette gets introduced. But he wasn't around really until 2020, 2021. And by then, I was already an employee of Turning Point USA, and they had kind of begun integrating him on that side of things. But I put out a tweet the other day where I feel that as far back as 2021, Charlie's approach to the Israel issue was being managed by people like Tyler and Andrew, because for sure in 2021, I was the producer on a show called Debate Night with Charlie Kirk, and we were trying to get guests to come debate Charlie. And if you go back to 2021, one of the loudest voices begging Charlie to debate him is Nick Fuentes. At that time, Tyler had gotten in the chat, and I have screenshots of it, and he said we should consider trolls with big followings to debate Charlie.

And at first I was like dude, we should just debate Nick. I presented my case, and you know Andrew Kolvette was added to the chat earlier as well. And you can look through some of the screenshots, and they just said no to Nick Fuentes. Again, it was someone chosen by Tyler to manage Charlie's side of things. Charlie was not in the chat at all. He had no input on who he wanted to debate. It was very much managed. And I think they ran the list by him eventually, but I don't think they ever asked him. And at the time he didn't want to debate Nick either. And they shut it down quickly.

But it gets to the greater point of what I think we're seeing now, right? Which is Nick Fuentes is now agreeing with these people, Jack Posobiec and Ben Shapiro, trust the lone shooter. These people aren't talking about the things the right way. We all know that these people are being paid by another interest.

I think that what's so telling here is that Charlie was the strongest force against these people, and they knew it. And that's why right now we are seeing desperate measures, right? We saw that with what happened last week, or two weeks ago, when Jack Posobiec blatantly lied to the American public and attacked justice outright.

And hundreds of people get paid by the same Zionist media machine to amplify these lies. And they all, in my opinion, waged war on America. They declared themselves enemies of the republic. And they don't want you to look at their actions that way. They don't want you to think about it that way. But it is what it is.

We need we need to be point blank about it. We need to be direct. No one is articulate anymore. It seems that our national rhetoric has fallen below sea levels. And that's how they lie. That's how they deceive. They use double speak. And that's Leftist behavior at the end of the day.

But what's Leftism? It's just you hate America, right? So I think at the core, what this comes down to is you hate Christ, you hate America. And those who hate Christ and hate America killed Charlie Kirk. And I don't think that person was Tyler Robinson. And if it was, I don't think he acted alone. And I think that Andrew Kolvette is the first person we have to ask about that, because he was in talks with the FBI before Charlie died, and Charlie still ended up dead.

So Andrew Kolvette, you can answer me whenever, but I don't think you will because you blocked me. That's how they roll.

When did he become part owner of the Charlie Kirk show? How did he work his way up?

Well, I think we're going to get there eventually when dig into the financials of some of these shadow LLC's that these people have. I don't know to be honest. I think that we have to look into Resolute Media, which we now know has ties back to Israel via Clock Tower LLC. Which is also Havas Media Group and Salem. It's all this network, right? And I think at a greater level this is all part of the Greater Israel Project, which they'll call you a conspiracy theorist for saying until it happens, and then it's real, right?

What motive did the Left have for killing Charlie Kirk? What did the Left gain from killing Charlie Kirk? I don't I haven't seen any wins on the Left. All I've seen is the Right steamrolling us in a way that feels honestly almost tyrannical. Because we did not vote for any of these things. And when we try to hold them accountable, they tell us to shut up, and they declare us enemies of the state, and terrorists. And now they're using rhetoric such as communism to label anyone who questions things such as what happened to Charlie Kirk, such as Israel's very obvious subversion of our nation and politicians. They'll label you a communist Antifa ,enemies of the state. We saw Blake Neff doing it at Amfest. What they're doing to me is akin to terrorism. You are waging war on America. You guys are attacking the foundational pillars of this republic. And you're the ones claiming to love America while you do it.

That's what makes it so deceptive. That's why I'm calling this a disinformation war. And it didn't just begin with the death of Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk was the first victim in it. He might not have even be the first victim. There were probably plenty before him. He was just the most prominent, and the one who threatened them the most, that they had to make a statement for all those underneath him to get in line, and not ask questions.

That's why we've seen what we've seen with Megan Kelly. I think that's why we've seen what we've seen with Jack Posobiec. All of these people who considered themselves friends of Charlie, half of these people who are in office because of Charlie, are now going along with the deep state. If that doesn't scream how evil these people are, what kind of forces we're up against, I don't know what does. This is not just your average Leftist. This is not your average communist. This is Satan manifest in many ways, in my opinion. And we need to say that. We need to talk about that. More churches, more Christians need to be having these conversations openly, articulately, and honestly, because if we don't, we are all going to regret it.

And I hate to say that, but look at the Bolshevik revolution. Look throughout history. Millions of us will perish if we do not start asking serious questions about the people who are treating us as if we work for them. No, the government works for us. We elected you. And if you are operating for a foreign government before your own people, and you are simultaneously not upholding the values of our republic, which we have entrusted you to defend, it is our lawful right as citizens to do what the declaration declares.

And this isn't me trying to incite violence. This is me articulately referencing the foundational documents of our republic. In a way that calls out to the king, which is Christ. I do not bend the knee to a politician. I serve Christ alone.

That's what founded this country and we need to go back to that. That's why I'm saying we all should take a moment, and honestly just pray as a nation, and cry out to God. Not in some national Zionist funded prayer group that the White House is putting on. No. Just fall on your knees and cry out to God. And and we need to be doing that on a regular basis, because these demons are winning the spiritual war, and millions of Christians are being deceived in real time.

Going back to what you were saying about motive, Frank Turek said the other night, the three main motives for murder are sex, money, and power. And I'm like how did Tyler get any one of these things from this? Or how did the Left get any of those things from this? He's just an idiot, you know?

But speaking about Zionism, and how it has this like stranglehold on us, the Scofield Bible was written by Oxford Press, and was funded by the Rothschilds, bro. Like all of our textbooks that we grew up reading, Robert Maxwell published them. And you see the Epstein connection there. To me it's deception. It's disinformation. It's demonic. You just have to call it what it is. You have to remove the veil from your eyes.

I was blessed that it happened to me in 2020, and that's why when I was still employed at Turning Point USA, I was saying a lot of the things I am now quite openly. I was asking the tough questions that a good person asks. And I think I was sidelined because of that. It's part of why I left Turning Point.

You were ahead of the curve. I didn't find out until 2025 when I started really researching the Scofield Bible. It's very evil, right? Erika Kirk took the stage and she said, "Evil has shown its face." And I think what she was saying is true. I just think that SHE was the Evil that she was talking about there. And we know that they are demons. In demonic warfare, spiritual war, they have to reveal their hand. They always do. They reveal the method. They do. And so in that statement, it was almost like a projection of her ilk. And if we look at her actions, there's nothing that you can really say to defend that. And a Christian forgiving her husband's murderer? I struggle to understand.

And then when you look at how much she demands people stop asking questions? She doesn't want people to investigate. It doesn't add up with the natural Christian response in my opinion. You can say you grieve differently, but you're not living up to the things you said at the beginning, which was that you need a space for people to go and ask questions. What would Charlie think about this issue X, Y, and Z? So it's blatant double speak. These people are acting like Leftists.

But again, Leftists has been a term that the institution has used for the last 20 to 30 years in this disinformation war to keep us at odds with ourselves instead of getting to the root of the issue, which is the real evil that Erica Kirk is aligned with, and it gets to the deception aspect, which is they launched a revival, and millions of people woke up to what's happening.

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But the intelligence agencies, very tactfully, are trying to walk us back into the 2008-2012 era of Right versus Left. If you don't like this brazen display of patriotism, which the UFC fight is, then you hate this country, and you're anti-American. No, actually, I like events like that. I would love to have two things. I don't see why it has to be one way or the other. Why can't we have a UFC fight, and also not go to war in the Middle East? Why can't we have a UFC fight, and have homes be more affordable for people of my generation? Why can't we have a UFC fight, and also get truth on the Epstein files? It is not this one side or the other fight that you're trying to get us into. It's so much deeper than that.

If evil showed its face, then you didn't do anything to combat that evil. This is what I keep going back to. If the Left killed Charlie Kirk, the administration had a mandate to go door-to-door practically, arresting every Leftist, and investigating them for their connection with potential terror organizations, right? Because Antifa has been labeled a terrorist group. You could go to every person who liked a pro-Antifa tweet on Twitter, and potentially have these people arrested. They did none of that. So you say one thing, and do another. Whether you're Erika Kirk or the administration, you say that the Left killed Charlie Kirk, but then you take zero action to dismantle the Left.

You're trying to rile us up for the next election to fight the Left when you guys are the ones in power. You have all the power. We gave you the power to do those things. In fact, the man who was fighting the fight louder than you all was murdered. We would have loved to see you all go full fascist, and you didn't. So it doesn't make sense when you don't get worked up, when you don't let these people throw falsehoods your way, and when you don't listen to the labels they try and put on you, because it's all not true. It's all a lie. Just stand on the side of Christ, and the truth will be revealed.

So they brought back the World's Fair this year. We had the UFC fight on the Whitehouse lawn, where it was like patriotism on steroids, right? While simultaneously they're staging assassinations, right? These two go hand in hand. If you criticize the massive, excessive, expensive display of patriotism, then you must be in the camp of these people who are trying to kill the President, which I don't think are even real events.

Because if we look at Donald Trump, I think he's trying to go down in history as the man who survived the most assassination attempts. And we know that all the world's a stage, and that Donald Trump spent years in the WWE. And to think that these people are not actors is naive. Politics is a bigger Hollywood than Hollywood, except it has real world implications.

Erika Kirk is an actress. I know this for a fact. All of these people are failed TV show people, failed radio show people. They end up in politics because naive people who can't think critically think that these people are advocating for them, when in reality they're all just profiting off the lies and crap that they're feeding them. And it needs to end. And I truly have made it my life's mission to expose this fraud, these liars, these deceivers, these demons, for what they are, because it is deceptive, it is evil. And that is not what Christ tells us to do. And instead of doing things to actually restore our country to a better time, and a better place, where it could actually genuinely be what we want it to be, they lie and deceive us.

They're giving us these Coliseum games, right? It's just a show, right? This patriotism on steroids is just a smoke screen for actually making the country better. They're not doing anything real, and it's pissing people off, rubbing patriotism in our face.

It's also making people think that real changes are being made. America is the greatest country in the world, and we are going to make it all better. But really, they're not doing anything, not making any significant change of any kind. It's a distraction from all the things that we want them to do. They're like, "No, no, no. Stop talking. Stop asking questions. Look at all the planes flying over. Just eat your bread and drink your wine, and go to the next game. "

I am as patriotic as it comes, right? I love my nation. I love my country. I would give my life for it. But I think that these things are being used as tools, right? The trial as well. And it ultimately goes back to, and we can move over to the clip where Elon responded to the the anti-semitism bit, right? You cannot point out the greater evil that is at play in our country.

And I don't want people to label me a Russian asset, which is why I said what I said at the beginning of this, right? But if you go look at some of the rhetoric that comes out from Vladimir Putin, or other people in regards to Western democracy, and who actually controls those institutions, it kind of makes sense then why our federal government and intel agencies would work to label Russia and China and all of these people the greatest threat to democracy in America when 5 months before his death, three months before his death, Charlie Kirk was laying it out plainly, no it's not China or Russia. It's actually the intelligence agencies that are our greatest threat. And so it's textbook disinformation, textbook double speak.

And right now is the time for people to think about what this is worth to the. Do you want to continue watching your UFC fight, and gambling for the rest of your life? Or do you want to live life the way that God intended, that is free, and in a nation that he entrusted us 250 years ago? If we can keep it, right? It's up to us. No one's coming to save us. And that's why I'm saying what I'm saying now, because it's now or never. And for 13 years, I had a hand in producing content that I thought would eventually go on to help make a change to save this nation. And I think it did up to a point, and then it became too dangerous. And now it's being weaponized to suppress free thought, to suppress questions. And ultimately, as Charlie Kirk himself said, questions are the most dangerous thing to an illegitimate regime.

I just want to state this for the record, too. Like anytime we would go to a campus, Charlie Kirk's thing was disagreements come to the front of the line. And I don't think we've seen that principle lived out by a single person in that organization since his death.

No. Did you know that for Erica Kirk on her Bible 365 podcast, that she does once a month -- she did it yesterday with James Kadish, who's a Zionist, who actually was best friends with a general and a major in the IDF. He also has the connection to BB Netanyahu's brother, and Victor Marx. It's insane. So one big happy family, isn't it? It's nuts. Maybe that's the turning point family she was talking about in that interview.

Because she definitely doesn't treat people like me as family, even though I was there before she ever was. So I don't know, man. It's weird. What did she say when she was at CLS? Her CLS speech when she was like, "I was there from the beginning. I watched the blood, sweat, and tears."

That's why I quote tweeted, "You didn't build anything." Um, yeah.

She's a revisionist, bro. Just like all of them are. They're literally trying to rewrite history.

It's what happened after World War II, and it's what's happening right now. And I refuse to let them do it to a man that I worked very closely with. And again, I had nothing to gain from Charlie Kirk. I believed in him because of who he was, and the kind of man that he was, and the vision that he had for this country.

I worked very closely with him for my entire young adult life. I was not put in a position of government. I was not brought into the administration. I was not brought into their fold, right? And there's a reason for that. Because people like me and Charlie are threatening to the regime. And they used Charlie, they used his brilliance and his intelligence to get them elected, because they knew without him, they wouldn't be able to. And then the moment that they knew he would threaten what they actually wanted to do to this country, and to us, they betrayed him, and they executed him.

And in the process they warned all of his friends, "You better not get out of line." And I think to put it as plainly as that for your viewers, especially on YouTube, it needs to be heard that that is what happened. And we need to say that as far as Tyler Robinson being the shooter, the lone shooter always gets proven to be some fed slop, and there's always a deeper narrative.

Charlie Kirk did not die giving a campaign speech. He did not die trying to get someone elected. So to say that Charlie Kirk would forever just want Republicans to be elected, is a lie. That's not the core of who he was. Charlie Kirk was the man who went to a college campus to engage the youth and said, "Disagreements, come to the front of the line. Let's hash this out."

And what are the implications of that? He was about to get there, and they didn't let him. nd we'll see where this goes. But I'm not gonna let it happen. I refuse to. And if you look at any of the events that they've had since Charlie's assassination, they make sure to have their own pre-written questioners who ask the questions, and then they pull the mic, right? Like they did at the Andrew Kolvette/JD Vance thing.

Erica Kirk on her show has the super chats turned off. You can watch live. Super chat's turned off. Why? You can't control who asks questions. Well, she's made enough money, so she doesn't need super chats. I think these people are motivated by money; that want money.

Exactly. That's what these people care about. They want to control the narrative, the truth, which shows you that they don't stand for truth. They say one thing, and do another. Actions speak a whole lot louder than words. And people seem to have forgotten that. Just because someone like Gary Melton, who has thousands of followers on Twitter, who never once cared about Charlie Kirk before he died, gets on there and tries to act like an expert on things, don't get caught up in the distraction. Go to the magician, and figure out what trick is actually being played. Yeah. He didn't believe in the 30 odd.

All these people are frauds. They're all phonies. And the problem is they're all propped up by one another. So it looks like society supports them, when in reality, if there were more people talking as articulately and plainly and calmly, quite frankly, as I am about these issues, and not getting into spaces and just shouting them down, we would probably not see what we're seeing right now. But I hope this video doesn't get suppressed. I hope people clip it and send it, and post it, because it's the truth. These people are frauds. They're liars. They're demons. And Christ is king, and none of them stand for truth based on the way they're acting.

Everyone who claims to stand for Charlie Kirk, is not. I actually am. And you can fact check me on that all you want. They are not waging war on the deep state. They're not talking about the deep state, because they're all scared and they know the truth that Charlie was about to unmask, because we all know the truth. Because it's the truth. That's how the truth works. You don't need evidence when it's the truth, because it's the truth. And I think we all know the truth of what is going on. People are just too afraid to speak up and do something about it.

If I have to be the first person to kind of say something, I will. I lost my job two weeks into speaking out because of this stuff. I'm not in the best place financially, but it's worth it. Because if we lose first principles, if we lose this country, then a job doesn't matter. I can't sit in an office and cut a video my entire life knowing that this country is being stolen under Christians' noses. I can't do it. I can't in good faith sit by and do that. So that is my motivation. Again, I want to make that clear for your viewers that I'm not in this for anything but that. That is my drive.

Charlie gave it to me, and I watched them take that from him, and I'm going to do what they say they're doing, and carry on his legacy. And I feel like I'm actually doing it better than them. Not to toot my own horn, but I just keep posting videos of him because that's what this is about for me.

What is your overall theory/opinion as to who really is behind it, from the very top down to whoever had proximity to him. Terrell Farnsworth had to be involved to some degree, depending on what is his motive.

I think it starts with what you believe the motive was. And then from there, you look at who benefited the most, right? And from there I think we can see that Israel and Turning Point USA, and its associates, have benefited the most, right? And the Administration. These three groups of people. The Left has not benefited the most. That the Left killed Charlie Kirk is a conspiracy theory. It's not true. The Left didn't kill Charlie Kirk, because of everything I've just laid out for the last hour.

So, as far as what I truly think happened, I don't know. And I don't particularly care, because I don't think it matters too much. What I think does matter is noticing what has happened, and everyone who's benefited, and calling that out head-on.

And then from there, I think as we've seen with people like Blake Neff, the more that we pressure these people, the more we're going to get to the truth. We know now that Andrew Kovette was in talks with the FBI beforehand, right? We just got to keep asking the questions, who didn't do their job that day, and why. Once we figure that out, we'll get to a deeper question. Who were they working for? Why were they working for them? Just keep asking questions. When you get an answer, ask another one. And don't let them distract you. Don't let them label you anything. You are a patriotic American for doing that. You're not an enemy of the state. You're not a terrorist. You're not working for a foreign government, because you want to know what happened to Charlie Kirk. When you notice that four groups of people benefiting the most are the same people telling you to shut up, that's not anti-American. That's very patriotic. It's very revolutionary, actually.

I look at Turning Point USA, who's made billions of dollars in the wake of his death. I look at Andrew Kovette and Blake Neff who are inheriting his platform. But I don't even view what they're doing at this point as personal gain. I view it as an intentional destruction of the largest weapon against the deep state. And I think that is managed decline.

That's why I put out the tweet today, "calculated destruction," because these statements are so blatantly false, and so blatantly against what Charlie used to stand for. They are trying to get this past our generation, so that they will have control of the next generation. And that's the point I was trying to make earlier.

Charlie was the weapon that they have now got, and they will brainwash your children forever. If they don't do it in the schools, they'll use Turning Point to do it, right? And it was supposed to be the opposite. Now you're being brainwashed to come to Turning Point. Turning Point is propping up the establishment. I don't even know what it is. It's the Bolsheviks. I don't know. Like it's weird. I think we need to be talking about that, because if we don't, history shows that things might happen.

And as far as who's involved, I think that there's potentially a theory that maybe they were trying to fake the assassination, but I don't see that being in Charlie's character. Charlie was the type of man who was willing to walk into the arena and take people head-on. And maybe there is a thread that he was aware of the threats, and walked in willingly, right? He always said he would die young, and that his death would spark a movement. And his movement was not to indefinitely elect Republicans. His movement was to fundamentally reshape America for America, and in the way that Christ wants us to. Not bombing school girls in the Middle East, not protecting Jeffrey Epstein and his list.

I think that is the core of it. And because I know a lot of these people personally, I don't really like to get into who did it, because I don't really care, because for me it also kind of breaks my heart to see that none of these people who I trusted, and spent a lot of time with, traveled the country with, slept in hotel rooms with, even have the courage to do what I am doing now. And that makes me ask a deeper question as to how evil this evil is that we're facing, because I know everyone's not a bad person. I'm not accusing everyone in Turning Point USA of being a bad person. I know that there are good-hearted people there just like me, who believe in truth, who are Christian, who loved Charlie. That's why I'm doing what I'm doing, because it breaks my brain why I haven't seen more of them asking these questions.

So, yeah. It's a lot. Especially for me, it's been a lot to process. I've been working very hard to try and keep myself grounded in reality. Like either they're this evil, and a lot of people are involved, and I was talking about it with my wife the other day, like they're the most evil, but maybe they're being threatened, bribed, blackmailed, afraid for their own life. It's hard to find out right now. Just keep asking questions, that's what Charlie Kirk said, you just got to keep asking questions. It's the only thing that keeps us free.

I'm going to be so pissed if we make it to um 9/10/2026 and we don't know anything more than we do now. I mean, we're expecting the same people who pulled this off to investigate. We're never going to get a public government admission, just like we still don't have one for JFK. And Charlie was pushing for that too. He wanted the JFK files released. And we know it wasn't Lee Harvey Oswald there, and we know Israel's involved here. We know there was more than one shooting; it wasn't from the book depository, but we didn't find that out until 60 years later. And when people get on Twitter and say it's been 200 days since Charlie Kirk's assassination, and we've gotten no new evidence, it's like, bro, it took 60 years for us to get the truth on JFK. So, forgive me for applying a little pressure 250 days out of the largest and most public execution our nation has ever witnessed. This is way more public. That's double speak. It is not insane to ask questions less than a year out of an event when it took 60 years for our nation to give us the truth on JFK, and even then, they redacted half of it. It's a lie. It's double speak. It's very easy to tear down when you don't get caught up in their distraction.

One of the other things that I was asking myself is not only who had the most to gain with Charlie dying, who had the most to lose if he stayed alive? It's the same people who are benefiting right now. So I think there's multiple streams of interests that you can trace, right? Like the Israel lobby is one, the deep state's another, Turning Point corporate's another. And I think it's naive to not think that all three were working together when we know that Andrew Kolvet and the FBI were working together, and Turning Point USA basically put the Trump administration into office. And they were also the three that had the most to lose, because I think Charlie would realize that these people were not who they told him they were. And we're all realizing that in real time. And they're now labeling anyone who calls them out on it an enemy of the state, a terrorist. That is textbook dictatorship, authoritarian rhetoric, right? So it's a tragedy that not only was Charlie betrayed, but the average American who put these people in the office were also. Charlie said, "What they did to Trump in Butler is what they want to do to you." What they did to Charlie is what they will do to you if they have the chance. The problem is Charlie trusted that Trump and these people were on our side. I don't know whether they got bought out, or whether they were all evil from the beginning. It doesn't matter. They did not do the right thing in the hour of crisis, and they continue not to do so. They continue to not bow to Christ, or Americans. They continue to bow to the synagogue of Satan. We just need to call it as it is. 100%.

I want to play the video, but I need to get through a couple super chats before it piles up too far. All right, we have Chaz Marine or Maren.

Jesus Christ is the only way, only truth, and the only way to heaven. Christ is king.

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Although Charlie suffered the worst fate, it wasn't just about him, it was also about destroying the organizational structure that could move as one unit.

Thank you Matt Bell for becoming a member. "Quit gaslighting us." I like that handle. This is what it sounds like when people are telling the truth. God has got this. Thank you for your bravery, Matt.

Thank you for your bravery and thank you for all you do, Crisis King. Thank you, man. We got Sunshine77. They are using religion as the Trojan horse.

Yeah. They're definitely hijacking our faith and spirituality. They are not Judeo-Christians.

This is what I'm writing about in my book, guys. This goes back far. This is like the Protestant Revolution, the Protestant Reformation. In my opinion, it's a satanic deception of Christianity that has resulted in what we're seeing now.

Have you heard of Jay Dyer?

Yeah. He's actually part of the reason that I got on this thread to begin with.

Good. Did you see his most recent episode with Tucker?

No, I didn't know he did one with Tucker. That's awesome.

Last week. You got to go watch it. That's really cool. I love J.

Yeah, I'm wearing like an Orthodox shirt now. He's like part of the reason that got me on orthodoxy and all that.

Wait, I missed one. This guy got to get on more podcasts.

Well, he's starting his own. He's starting his own potentially.

I'm trying, dude. I just I made the YouTube channel yesterday. I did Stu Peters a couple days ago. Go check that out. Constitution yesterday. Send this to people so they can see the things I'm saying. So they know I'm not crazy, and they know I'm not a blatant anti-semite, and I'm actually just trying to save this country like anyone else should be.

Yeah. And I'll talk more with you off camera about developing your show if you want to do that, because we need more people like you and myself out here doing this. So anyone that wants to clip this show in context to combat whatever those crazy

... or out of context, I'll tear it down. I don't care. Lie on my name.

I mean that's true. You just right back at him.

Okay, I did that one. We got a couple more. We got Winnie PDX. Do we have any insight on Charlie's parents? Do they buy the Fed slop narrative?

I actually have a perspective on that. I don't know them. I've never met them. Allegedly Charlie's dad was involved in the creation of Trump Tower. It hasn't been fact checked. I've heard one thing. Someone fact checked me the other day. So, I don't know whether that's true or not. There's a potential it is. What I think is interesting though is if we think that all of these people are federal agents, and/or actors, or whatever, and we looked at what's happened in the preliminary hearing, the senior director of development for Turning Point USA, Stacy Sheridan, was managing Charlie's parents. So why is the director of fundraising donors at Turning Point managing Charlie's parents at the trial? Shouldn't she be doing her job as director? Why are donors in that same week reaching out to me giving me Jewish mystic texts that they saw in the same building where Charlie's studio is? There's questions I have there. And I think it's interesting that Erika Kirk is now speaking on behalf of his biological family. That speaks volumes to me. I don't know if they're even allowed to let us know whether they do or not. Again, we can't comprehend the levels of evil we're dealing with.

Look at what they did to Charlie. To think that they couldn't force someone's parents to just shut up is pretty naive. And they have the power to do it. Look at what they did to their son. Saying it that bluntly, is hard to hear. But these people want to kill us all. 2030 is a great reset for a reason.

Ask yourself this question. The three times that I've seen Charlie's parents since the assassination, right? Tarmac. On the tarmac, who was closer to the parents, Stacy or Erika? Stacy. The White House, when Erika's receiving the Medal of Freedom, who was closer to the parents, Stacy or Erica? Stacy was. And then at the courthouse, who was there escorting them in? Stacy. It felt like Stacy was put in the company to manage and handle Charlie, kind of baby Charlie.

When she entered a room, dude, the air left the room, I kid you not. I was like, don't talk to Stacy. You don't ask what she does. Like it was very much don't ask, don't tell. It was weird, right? I noticed that from the onset.

That's where I go back to, like this was not something that just happened overnight. This was not something that just took place in 2025. This didn't happen after we got the president elected. I think they identified Charlie as an asset, and they used him to get what they wanted, and the minute they realized he would be a threat, they got rid of him. And now they are using him to further that end goal.

It that simple. Just take a step back, look through history, put yourself in the history book, and realize that we will be reading about this one day. It's up to us to define who writes that truth. Who defines what happened here? It's up to us to define that. And I waited for 10 months to see if anyone else was going to come out and no one did. Lke people in this proximity, right?

It truly is up to us to rewrite the narrative, to speak truth to power, to not let demons lie on an innocent Christian man's name who isn't even here to correct it. They would allow him to be around as long as he was benefiting them. But the moment that he posed any kind of significant risk to them and their future plans, he actually became more beneficial to them dead, because they could make him say whatever they want now.

And he became a martyr against the Left. And they could conveniently ignore the deep state, and everything that Charlie was sounding the alarm on in the last 6 to 12 months before his death, even as far back as 2023. It's so obvious to me what's happening, because I was there for so long. I felt a lot of this taking shape early, but I didn't know what it was back then.

They worked to build a a culture in which an employee, regardless of how long you've known Charlie, going to talk to him would be seen as an act of subversion. That's what they're trying to get the country to believe now, right? Asking questions is anti-American. If I was to go to Charlie and raise anything, it would be anti-turning point. All hell would break loose. And this is a guy I met when I was 15, when he was 18. We were kids. They were significantly isolating him from people within the organization.

Tyler Boyer managed everyone like an asset, from top to bottom. Directors, managers, they were all approved by Tyler Boyer. I was friends with Matt, who I would be sending Nick Fuentes clips to. We'd be talking about the JQ, all this kind of stuff, and when he got brought up as a manager overnight, he flipped like a light switch. Just corporate turning point rhetoric after that. And I was like, who are you? We were friends. What happened to you? That is just weird. But literally, access to Charlie was heavily filtered through Andrew Kolvette, Tyler, Marina, Mus, other people that were put in positions of directors. And Charlie spoke at length about work ethic, and how much work ethic meant. And I'm someone who prides myself on my work ethic quite frankly, because I spent so much time around Charlie. How could you not? And then I sat there for years as a young person, and watched as Tyler brought in people with awful work ethics, who were elevated to positions of influence, directors, managers, and I was just someone who did the right thing for the sake of the movement, for the sake of the mission, for Charlie, whatever. And I obviously didn't see the results I was looking for. I never got a chance to kind of make an impact the way I wanted to. I made a documentary on the FBI where I interviewed an FBI agent who said that if you don't think the FBI is already monitoring Charlie Kirk, or even people like yourself -- this is in 2022 -- then you're not listening to anything I'm saying. Right? So, I was aware of this a long time ago. I just didn't know how big it was going to be, and the connections, right? But Marina's the one who didn't let my video go on YouTube, because they were afraid of it being demonetized.

So it's like you don't actually care for the truth. You only care for money, whatever else. But all these people were installed slowly over time, by Tyler. And I've said it before, I'll say it again. On both sides, Turning point USA, or Turning Point Action, your career is made or broken by your relationship with Tyler Boyer. If they wanted to make a director, and there was already a director, they would just create senior directors. So that now they had two people getting director salaries. It's that kind of stuff I'm talking about. And I think that Charlie, who was so isolated from the company he built, that had become managed by people that Tyler himself put there, started to catch on to that after the election. I think that during the election, he was prioritizing saving the West, and putting people that he thought he could trust into positions of power to take the action that he himself thought was necessary to save this country. But after the election, he was like, "Okay, let me look at what's actually going on here." He didn't get a chance to do that. Now, it doesn't matter, because they've made billions since his death.

And again, if you ask who had the most to lose, it's Tyler Boyer and everyone that he has installed in a position of management, who were not put in place to be effective and advocate for Turning Point USA effectively. Rather, they were put in place to manage it, and I think we've seen that now.

Charlie was about meritocracy. It's not about what race, gender, nationality, whatever you are. It's about you earning your way to the top, or to wherever you are, right? Just earning your place based on merit.

Matthew Tuteroni said the same thing about Tyler Boyer, and the people that he brought in as well. They weren't people that earned their way to the top by working hard. They earned their way by being people that could be controlled by Tyler. Loyalists. Blind loyalists. If you didn't ask questions, you were elevated. If you're like me, if you're like Aubrey, if you're like Matt, if you are like Charlie, quite frankly, if you question things, they don't advance you.

And it's funny because you talk about delivering results. In spite of that video I made not going on FBI, it ran to half a million views in seven days on Rumble. It's still Turning Point USA's most watched video on Rumble, if you go check it out right now, sorted by views. I's called "FBI Whistleblower: The Enemy Within." Go to the Rumble and search it. My video should pop right up, unless they've taken it down. It went on to win a gold telly award that year, 2023, for documentary. And at the time I was 23 years old. I was a producer,, and went in around the time that they were doing reviews and raises, and I was like, "Hey guys ,here's some results I delivered. Can I get a reasonable salary for a producer now? Because at the time it was about 20 grand below. I'm a young person, and it's a grassroots organization. I'm sacrificing a lot because I believe in these people. I trust them. I just delivered an award-winning documentary that racked half a million views in a week. Can I get the rate of a salary for a producer in Arizona, the average rate? I wasn't asking for anything insane, right? I was asking for the base salary rate of a producer in Arizona. And they laughed me out of the office. And at that point, I was just like, "All right, cool. I see what's going on here.

At that point, a new director was brought in to productions who has a very sketchy background. He spent years in Europe running drugs, and was very open about that. Then he comes to Turning Point, and I'm like, "Cool. Did you make a deal with the feds?" There's been videos of him talking to Chinese state media as well. So is he still there?

His name is Marcus Wada. He's the director of the new documentary that's coming out produced by Turning Point USA Productions and a bunch of people I used to work with. Terrell Farnsworth is also on the credits list. It's a documentary on Charlie's life. But if I was to bet, they're gonna wait to release it until after the verdict.

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I want to know where all the footage from the cameramen that day, the Turning Point USA Production camera ops, the front left and back left. I want to know where their footage is, and why we haven't seen it yet. I want to see it all. I want it to be played in court. If it's not, that indicates a deep state cover up in my opinion. Dude, I've gone back and looked at all of the campus events from 2025 from the spring campus tours, and then 2024, because sometimes the front left camera and back left camera are on different sides. It depends on the setup of the campus. I think those would give us way more answers. The other night, I talked to the girl who was on the camera, the one in front, right? I talked to her the week of the assassination, the same time Candace was coming out questioning things, which is very much in her nature. I knew that's what she was going to do when Charlie died. And I thought, "They're going to use this to label Candace a crackpot anti-semite," and then they're going to roll out crackdowns on speech, cuz that's where Charlie was going. And I think we see that happening right now.

At the same time I wanted to trust things, as we all do. So initially I was skeptical of the things Candace was saying. I was talking to her, and what always stood out to me was she wants to see what happened, she wants them to play the camera. Like, roll the tapes. It's not hard. We know the footage exists. I was behind that camera every day practically for a year. If you want to call me a conspiracy theorist for saying it's not a bullet, prove it to me. Show me the footage that Jordan's camera was running. Show me that footage. Show us all you guys.

If you guys stand for truth, and you care for truth, prove it. Roll the tape. We've all seen the video already. It's not going to affect us anymore. In fact, it will probably help us all put this thing to bed once and for all. If you want us to shut up about it, roll the tape. I want Terrell to hear this. Terrell, go ahead. Play the tape. Because by not playing it, you are all indicating if not guilt, at least complicitness in this, because why haven't you for the sake of truth, for the sake of Charlie Kirk, who gave his life for truth, just played the video that is as close as the camera I'm recording from now was to Charlie. It would end this entire debate. But he hasn't, because this is a deep state cover up to roll in suppression of speech, of anti-semitism, and all the speech that we're having online right now. We're all being put on lists. Our nation's history, friends, is going to get darker. I promise you that it doesn't get brighter from here. It is up to you all, including myself, to stand up and tell the truth. I can't do it alone. Turning point: p\lay the videos. Play the audio. Please. I'm begging you. You guys have it. Release it.

So, a couple of questions. Have you spoken to the girl?

I did recently, and I never got a response. And that's the thing. I've noticed my relationships with these people since coming out have pretty much ended. So, these two cameras are not Visual Impulse. Those are Turning Point. The two under the tent are there. The ones externally around the tent. The other guys running around with cameras and stuff, those guys are probably Turning Point USA Productions. And that's why I'm saying, I think some of this footage is going to be in that documentary, and I think they're waiting for a verdict. Because if footage makes it into that documentary that wasn't admitted as evidence, you can't go back once a verdict is made, right? But what we can do is call for evidence beforehand. And that's what I'm trying to do. I want to see that footage from every camera that was there. There's at least five, I think, that I've counted. The one behind Charlie, the two facing him, and two to the left of the tent. All I want is to see all that footage. It should just all be released publicly. Put it on the internet. Put it in a Dropbox folder. Let us all watch it. Why haven't you?

Because you're hiding something. Honest people don't hide things like this. And you can say that you don't want to corrupt the case. Is that because you're trying to convict an innocent man wrongfully, in a kangaroo court? Because this seems like the one thing that would shut everyone from Candace Owens, to Baron Coleman, to you, to me up. Yeah. I just want to see the footage, guys. It's not hard. We want answers.

They hate America. And they want us all in camps. They're like, "You're so sick. You want to watch that?" I care a lot about what happened. And the fact that you guys aren't, is kind of insane. They contradict themselves every time. But I want want to see the video so that I can know that the official narrative is what the videos capture, right? Because then I could start tracing it back and have a good understanding of how he died.

And also, Erika Kirk is the one who benefited the most off of his death. Nobody knew who Erika Kirk was before, except that she was vaguely associated with Turning Point, and now everyone in the world has heard her name. To say that she wants the truth on this is hilarious, because we all know that the truth would expose who she really is, and I know parts of that that I haven't made public yet. But I will at some point.

There's a lot that people don't know. There's a reason that they're working to keep it private, because it exposes a greater evil. I think that that many are afraid to call it out publicly, or just unaware of it, but in both cases, enough is enough, and it's time to start shouting from the rooftops to my fellow Christians, because I don't want us all to suffer at the hands of these demons anymore. It's insane.

And her mom's connected to Brad Parcell.

Again, it's one big happy family, and when they tell you who they are they just use double speak. I think when Erika said it's one big turning point family, I think she's referring to federal government connections that have helped her become the CEO of the largest pro-America, anti-deepstate group, that is now propping up the establishment, and not doing anything that we elected it to do. And when people come in and say I'm attacking Charlie, like I wasn't there up until four weeks before he died, and was the Charlie kid in high school who was getting attacked for following Charlie Kirk, you guys all came into this when it was lucrative. I was in this game when it wasn't cool to be a conservative. And I'm still a conservative. I just don't align myself with you guys anymore. So, I'm not going to call myself a conservative anymore.

I'm just an American. I'm a Christian, and Christ is king, and you guys are acting in ways that are not aligned with Christ at all.

Let me read a couple more, and then we can get to the video. And I was actually going to ask you some questions too.

Okay. You're a great speaker Mitchell. That's from Pete Stronic. I'm so bad at reading handles.

Thank you Mitchell, from Matt Bell. We got good on you mate. We're Australian, but this stuff runs deep down here as well.

Yeah I know there's a lot of good Aussies involved in this. Muppet Masher took it to Blake Neff the other day on X, and then Matthew S. Baker and some others too.

Journey of E says, Joining late, but thank you Mitchell for speaking out.

May God protect ane bless you also.

What's the symbol on your shirt mean?

Yeah, it's an Orthodox cross, and the FM is just the company that designed it, Finance and Maneuver. They're a local company out here in Scottsdale. Go check them out. They make some really cool anti-government, anti-bank merch. I think all you radicals would love it. I like this shirt.

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Next one we got, hi Mitchell. Knowing Charlie, do you think he started to sense something off with his team? Also, did Jordan say she would give her footage?

I feel like maybe there was a sense in which Charlie felt that, but I also think that it's one of those things where he had people around him from the beginning that he trusted. And I think that those were the same people who betrayed him. And it was one of those things where he was in too deep. And I think that even as far back as the texts he sent Candace, I think he recognized that his impact would ultimately be greater than politics.

And we're realizing that, for people to call people like Candace or myself crazy for saying the things we are, because we're trying to elevate our national conversation out of the realm of politics, they're basically labeling Charlie the same thing, right?

All right. So we got Jane Seth Rubert. Can Mitchell tell us about his experiences with Candace and Charlie together? Was he the cameraman during those years when they traveled together?

I was still very young at that point. That was 2018, 2017. So I was 17, 18, and still in school. But I was there for a couple of moments. The one I remember most was right after, or maybe it was before, I don't remember the timing, but it was around the time that Candace and Charlie and Kanye were all running together. And I retweeted a tweet from a guy named John Mappen, who's a donor of Charlie's. That's how we connected. And he's also saying the same things I am. Again, people who truly knew Charlie from the beginning, we're all kind of on the same side here.

This isn't a Leftist versus Republican thing. This is right from wrong. This is good from evil. So them trying to use these labels, I just find it funny, because we're not talking about the same things at all here. Like you guys are playing your fantasy land, and I'm living in reality. But, the moment I remember most was right around that time. Kanye West's manager was actually at an event. I was in Washington DC. It was the high school summit that they were having ,and Kanye's manager was backstage. Candace was about to walk out. I was an intern for Turning Point at this point. They had thrown me on AV that day. I wasn't even an AV intern. I was interning for Fields. Somehow I ended up on AV. But I got to cue the song Ghost Town as Candace walked out with Kanye's manager backstage. And as a 17-year-old, it was like one of the coolest things. I didn't work close and personal with them.

They're trying to make it seem like him and Candace weren't friends when he was about to leave the Israel lobby, and they were probably about to become really good friends. And that's why this is a disinformation war. I'm not going to let them sit here and lie on my friend's name. And they can try and say what they want, that we weren't friends, that we didn't work close enough, like whatever. But I know the relationship we had. I was texting Charlie about my college admissions process as far back as 2017. That's what friends do. And I feel like what I'm doing right now is what a friend would do for me if I was to end up dead mysteriously. After waging war on the federal government, too.

So, you guys can say you're his friends, you can say you stand for his principles, but your actions, rhetoric and words that leave your mouth, and the way that you treat others who truly loved Charlie just for who he was, not for what they could gain from him, indicates a much greater thing that you all fail to acknowledge. I know I kind of went off.

John Mappen is who they stayed with when they went to the UK. He's the one that helped him. And that's when she met George. And John is also the one that released the Bibi letter when they were only releasing little tidbits of it. And they were lying about what Charlie was saying in there. John Mappen released the entire thing. So, I follow John on X, too. I like him. I think he's a really good dude. I actually got connected to him. I was speaking to people on the back end as far back as like November, December. I was weighing in because for me, I had just taken this new job with the county. I knew it was politics. I know the risks. I'm not an idiot, right? I'm aware. I've been in this game for half my life. So I was talking to people, but it was too much for me to bear. I couldn't do it anymore.

Do you think Mikey reached out through a third person to tell Candace to look more into Andrew? And if you're allowed to, do you know who that was?

I don't know who it was or who it could have been. I know Mikey really well, and he's a really good friend of mine. Like me, he met Charlie when he was 17 or 18, and got thrust into an even larger position than I had. He became Charlie's chief of staff at that age and pretty much it's a big responsibility. It's crazy when you think about how young he was, and I know the story there because I was actually asked to give recommendations for that position, and I suggested myself. Anyway, I think that he's a good kid caught in the middle of something that unfortunately he might not have much control over. And that's just going off of personal experience and relation. That's how I feel about most every one of these people, even the people that are being named personally.

It's why I waited so long to speak out, because I didn't want to ruin decades worth of friendships and relationships I've had over something like this. I thought we were all aligned in vision and motivation, and fighting for the same end goal, but it seems that somewhere along the way, something happened. People's values, interests, whatever, got co-opted, or they're just too afraid to do anything, or they can't, or they're being controlled, or they're in contracts. I don't know.

For years I questioned why I wasn't being welcomed into that inner circle. I'm thanking God every day now that I wasn't, that I am in the position I am, because I know I'm on the right side, standing with Christ, and ultimately where Charlie himself would be standing today.

All right, let's go. This is incredible. And again, I'm Australian. What do I care? But this will be a legendary convo. Thank you, man.

Next one, Mitchell Manley is the true legacy of Charlie Kirk. Thank you for your courage, Mitchell. Knowing you are stepping into the lion's den for truth. Thank you, Matt, for hosting him. I hope to see much more.

Thank you, Angela Brooks. Thank you. We got Jim Carrey.

How can we support Mitchell? We love him.

How can people support you?

For now, follow me on X: Artifacts Memoir.

Also, Mystic. Can you throw his X account in the chat so that people can see it and they can go there?

He just did, but this is Artifacts memoir. This is where you can come and give him a follow. I'm following him. Click on this.

I just created the channel page yesterday. You might be able to go and subscribe. It's artifacts by Memor on YouTube. There's nothing designed on it. I think I created it.

I'm writing a book. I'm trying to get merch out as well, some white boy summer stuff, you know, just little fun things. And then I'll come up with something like buy me a coffee. You can probably help me out with that.

Yeah,we'll get all that going. And then we can throw it up in the comment section of the video because some people aren't watching this live, and are going to watch this afterwards. They're going to want to know where can we find it, and then I'll throw it in the description.

Who do we got? MSF. What the irony is had the left won the presidential election, CK would probably still be alive. Isn't that crazy?

Yeah. And the MAGA movement would be stronger today, because Kamala Harris would be the one dropping bombs in the Middle East. So my perspective is like the intelligence agencies run the country, and the elections are smoke and mirrors. All of this is just fake. They have the next four elections already planned out. In cities like New York, Mamdani was already going to win, regardless of who ran against him. All of this is preset. The world is a stage, and we are the pawns.

So you're 100% correct. I think Charlie would still be alive today. I think the MAGA movement would be stronger today. I also think Charlie would probably have gone on to become president one day if we had not elected Donald Trump. And the irony there is so dark.

Charlie was the best at saying this kind of stuff. People think that it's one of two options, right? We only have Left or Right, and that's what MAGA was supposed to be. They used Republicans, and Charlie himself, because it was a means to an end, of electing Trump. It was a means to change this country. It was the most effective means to change this country without a revolution. And they co-opted that. So where do we go from here?

They'd sooner push us into a civil war than a revolution. But we don't need a civil war. If we need anything, we just need to take back this country and government for ourselves, and get rid of the sickos that run it. That's what this whole presidency was supposed to be about.

Again, I keep going back to it. Charlie trusted these people. We all trusted these people. The people who are now profiting off of the most corrupt administration in our nation's history. I know they're using crypto to do it. That doesn't mean it's not still corruption, just because we're in the digital age. Corruption is still corruption. Theft is still theft. And we have to call it like it is. A spade is a spade. That's how I've always been.

And now they're going around saying that they're the most transparent administration ever. These pastors that are all affiliated with Erica Kirk, they're like wolves in sheep's clothing. I don't know anything more evil than people that pretend to be Christians leaders, and have the responsibility of lnot eading their souls astray, leading them in the right ways of God. They act like they're good people, and they're not. They are just some of the worst people ever.

All right. Love the conversation, and I agree with all the things. Sending support and prayers. Don't back down. Christ is king, and truth is everything. Thank you.

Hey you.

I think this is my father-in-law. Yeah. What's up, dude? What's up, Pops?

Son, you and your audience are working at changing the world. Go, Max. Love, pop. Thanks.

Thanks, Pop.

We got Lena. Thank you for speaking out. Do you have any insights into Charlie Kirk's relationship with Erica Kirk, especially toward the end? Do you think the rumors of CK discovering something and potentially splitting have any validity?

I want to be very careful how I answer this, because I don't want to get sued. It's only my opinion based on my personal observations, experiences, and motives, and coming from a broken family myself, I think that there is reason to believe that potentially. I think that there is reason to assume maybe that that might be a potential motivation, right?

I don't know for sure obviously, but I think if we look through history, in any murder case, typically the first subjects are the husband or wife and close circle friends. I don't feel like any of those people were properly investigated by the FBI. Because this is one big happy family that we are not in. But I think Charlie was also on the outside there at the end.

When it comes to their personal relationship, I always questioned it. Having known Charlie from when he was 18, 19, I didn't see Erika as the type of person that he would partner with. I've said this before, and I'll say it again. I think that, for us to assume that Charlie Kirk, intelligent and effective as he was, could not have been honeypotted, is very naive. I think that if we look at how intelligence assets work, whether it's China, or Russia, or America, they have a history of putting women in the lives of very effective men, and using them to bring about their downfall. It's biblical. It is.

So for people to label me a Erika Kirk hater, I don't particularly care. I never liked her much, but I just never got it, or understood it. She went in for a job interview and became the CEO. And the person who put her in that position is Tyler Boyer. And Tyler Boyer and Erica Kirk have known each other since 2015. I was in the room when they met, allegedly, or maybe they knew each other before. It was at the first Trump rally that ever took place in 2015. I was in the same room. There's a photo of it on my profile. This goes back over 10 years, right? All these people knew each other.

I think the intelligence agency viewed Charlie as an effective tool to bring us to this point, to 2030, the great reset. And Charlie was in the way of that. At the same time, he brought us to the point of enough chaos to usher in 2030 under our noses. That's that's how I feel. I think Erika's just one of the many pieces of the puzzle that the deep state is using.

I definitely think they knew each other before, because there was a phone call that Tyler said took place in order to get Erika to the rally. So, they didn't meet at the rally, right? There was this phone call that they both referenced.

They both have told different stories about when they knew each other, how long they knew each other, and then Erika actually refers to him as a family friend, like knowing each other for a long time. She's on tape saying that. And then we have Tyler trying to get Erika to meet Charlie three times. And then the fourth is the New York Bob's Bills burgers, right? Lori Frantzve tries it in Israel. That's when Erika sees him in a line, but never gets to meet him. And then there are two times at the headquarters in Arizona, where one time she doesn't meet him, and one time she does, just briefly.

And I think I was there at an event where I remember them being like Charlie has to meet someone. Because it was a big deal, of Charlie potentially getting married. They were talking about it back then for sure.

I've had this happen now multiple times where people will bring up stuff that I have memory-holed for 13 years. I feel like I was there, dude. That's why Matt Tuserone just messaged me.

We definitely got to do one of these with the three of us, you, Matt and me, because you have this TPUSA inside track knowledge, and he has the turning point action inside track knowledge. I just want to get you guys together talking about different things, and getting your different memories. And I think it'll trigger memories that you didn't know you had, and it will pop like what happened just now.

When was the last time you were able to talk to Charlie?

It wasn't like we had day-to-day conversations. But I would say probably one of the last tour stops we did, which I think was April, which was the last campus tour we did before the summer kicked off. And I did the donor or faith event for them in August. The pastor summit. I was there for that. So it was probably sometime around April or or August, and it probably wasn't anything substantial. It was probably just a passing joke about something a Leftist said, right?

But we had known each other for so long, it's not like we needed to talk often, right? And they were keeping Charlie so freaking busy, and insulated, right? They restricted access to him as a privilege, and only certain people had that privilege.

It's textbook manipulation. They literally got him to move his company from Illinois to Arizona. Talk about isolating someone from their family and friends, bro. And he knew that he could manipulate the political system there, too, like all the strings he could pull in Arizona. And who else was out there? Erika.

Please pull your site up while I read these messages.

Okay. All right. Yeah. Go ahead.

So, a new TPUSA compound, collecting data from all applicants, geo fencing, and data centers. Now we have section 219 to merge the IDF with our military. Now we know who's infiltrated the deep state. Israel. Bingo. The Show Faith by Works, Clock Tower X, both are through the foreign ministry of Israel. That's why if you guys want to know if your church is a good church, you need to go to the Show Faith by Works Fara filing, and there are hundreds of churches listed there. And if you go into those churches on Sundays, your phone is going to be grafted into this technology where it will send you pro-Israel anti-Palestinian propaganda, and they're going to geofence you, track you.

And Christian Universities are on the Fara filing, too. It's not just churches, and all the TPUSA events since Charlie's death. So I just sent the link to my Youtube account to you. It should be up now. I just got my profile picture there, too. It's the same one on Twitter.

Awesome. I'm going to copy and paste this into my email, and then I can pull it up. We'll go to the next one here. Okay, I'm doing it, guys. Multitasking.

Give me a second. Like two days ago, I said I wasn't starting a channel or a podcast. So since this is what people want, I guess I'll do something. You should have told me ahead of time, because this is the perfect time to do it, man. So that we can boost it for everybody. Here we go. All right. So you guys come here. I just subscribed. I can say I'm your first subscriber, dude.

Dang. There you go. You just earned a free white boy summer t-shirt once I get that.

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We are going to get to this video. I got to see how far behind I am on all of these. Okay, I'm not far behind. We're almost caught up. And then we're going to watch the video with Charlie talking about Elon Musk. Then we're going to hop to that X post.

All right, here we go. Thank you for speaking genuinely to Charlie. Christ is king. David Mitchell.

That's a really good compliment actually. Because that was something that he said to Candace Owens. That's a really good compliment.

Love you from Australia. New follower here, Matt. Thanks.

Oh, good citizen. Thank you. We got quite a few Aussies that follow us. I just have to say, any Aussie following us, I hope you're not an AC Milan fan. Please don't be an AC Milan fan. He's the worst, dude. And hey, Aussies, don't feel like just because y'all are over there, y'all are out of this fight. This is good versus evil. This is not America. This is much larger than anything. And I think we all know that. And we appreciate your support because they're doing it in all the western countries. Yeah, it's happening across the world. And we all know this, and it's happening in different ways. And these demons are very deceptive.

So the more we can all band together as as one in Christ alone, regardless of political party, regardless of national identity, the stronger we will be. So thank you truly.

Yeah, they want us in the Left vs. Right paradigm, when that's just two sides of the same coin, and there's this other secret uni party behind those two parties. One of our founders said that one of the worst things that could happen to our democracy is a two-party system, because you end up picking the lesser of two evils. You end up voting against someone, instead of for someone. And one of the reasons why I really believed that Trump and Vance were going to follow through on their campaign promises was because they had made these promises to Charlie, and Charlie was vouching for them. And I believed that Charlie believed them, that they wouldn't lie to Charlie, and I know Charlie wouldn't lie to us. So, I know that he genuinely believed that they were going to do what they said. It's betrayal and deceit from the highest level. And they used innocent Christian men to do it. And it's just textbook. Just look at the Bible.

This isn't the first time in history it's happened, right? We are being told that it's not deceit and betrayal, and the ones telling us that it's not happening, are the ones betraying us.

Did you watch Tucker Carlson's speech at his memorial?

Full Speech: Tucker’s Charlie Kirk Memorial & Their Best Moments on God, Christianity
10 months ago

Yeah, I was on the floor. That's a whole other story. We can unpack it with Matt. Maybe we can make that one a little bit more casual, and personal, and we can tell some stories. Yeah, I was down there. I reached out to people I've known my entire life, people I worked closely with. I offered my services as a camera operator. I did a lot to try and get in there initially, and I was kind of stonewalled from the floor. They had already selected the media company that was going to run that event, and some of the guys I toured with were running some of that. So it was weird from the beginning, and I managed to get down there thanks to a friend. It's a whole thing. I was there though. Yes.

Thank you so much. Finally someone speaking truth that was close to Charlie. Everyone should share this episode. You are in my prayers, brave one. Thank you, Elizabeth Minton.

We're almost there, you guys. And then we're gonna get on with the show. Okay.

Auntie Penelope. You are not crazy. Thank you and be safe. Christ is king. Thank you, Auntie Penelope.

Christ is king indeed.

Did you ever notice how fake Erika was while at Turning Point?

I'm only laughing because I saw her like twice, I think, in the 13 years I was there. The one time I remember most was the 10-year anniversary of Turning Point USA, which was also their reception for staff and friends, and family wedding reception. And there's a photo of me that I don't have, but I know it exists, of me and one of my ex-girlfriends, and Charlie and Erika, because they did a whole photo thing. I didn't really get it at the time. It didn't make sense to me. I looked at the kind of work Erika was doing, which was like pro-Christian. She had Bible 365. She had this kind of failing streetwear brand. It just felt fake. None of it felt real to me. And so, I was skeptical at the time.

But at the same time, I was like, "Okay, Charlie, I trust your judgment, bro. I trust you." I'm not going to put my two cents in there, because that's clearly outside my wheelhouse. Like do your own thing. And she was not really involved in the operation of things at Turning Point USA. She was always kept out of that. And then to see her immediately assume control, which in my opinion, I don't think she's in control of anything, I think Tyler Boyer is still the one pulling all the strings, and calling all the shots. And they're using the emotional whiplash that they can wield via Erika to push a lot of that through. And you just have to break it down and call it for what it is. Then it starts to make sense.

Were you there at the Andy Biggs rally?

I'm trying to remember. I think I might have been. I don't remember if I've seen the video. I'll have to know the date, but I think I was. I've also done contract work for Turning Point Action in the past. I think I might have been because I remember that setup, that dark room in the red. I've done so much for them over the years in so many different capacities, it's hard to remember. It was only last night while filming the We the People versus the Oligarch speech, which happened at the Arizona rally where RFK endorsed Trump. And I knew I was there for RFK, but I didn't realize that that was on the same day, because it all blends together. years.

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I agree. I agree. Be ready. Be vigilant.

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All right. You're going to have to help me get that set up after this, Matt, and then I'll let you blast it out, cuz I didn't want to be here, guys. I'm doing this because I couldn't not do it anymore. I sat in my new job, I ignored my feelings, and I stayed off Twitter, and honestly I was starting to kind of self-destruct, because I couldn't stand what was happening, and I was hopeless, and I didn't think that there was any goodness left in the world.

Then I got on Twitter one day and spoke out against Tyler, and he blocked me. But in in the interim, there were hundreds of people who came to my support. Candace Owens retweeted me. That was the first thing that kind of said to me that I was not crazy. I've been in the space, but I'm new in front of a camera. So, any advice y'all have, I'm happy to help. And thanks for helping me out, Matt.

100%. We got Real Heather. They pressured Charlie to date and marry Erika Kirk.

Yes, they did. I actually have proof of that. James Kaddis said that when he first met Charlie, and Erika was there, James Kaddis, who is Erica's pastor for Proclaim, and Bible 365, and he was also there at the trial last week giving interviews to Frank Turek -- all of Erika's pastors are Calvary Chapel pastors: Rob McCoy, Frank Turek, Jack Hibbs, Greg Laurie, James Kaddis, they're all Zionists -- James has said time and time again that he's the one who did their premarital counseling, and he told Charlie, "You have to marry Erica now. She is what's going to bless you and Turning Point to take it to the next level. Without her, it's not going to be blessed." He was doing spiritual manipulation things like saying he's a prophet, he hears from God, and God is telling him what to tell Charlie. It's freaking disgusting.

It is. You explained how you could tell that they isolated Charlie.

I felt it happening in real time. It was a big complaint of mine. When I left in 2023, I gave an exit interview to an individual who I'm now questioning if what I said to him even made its way to Charlie.

Was it supposed to? Is the exit interview supposed to make it to Charlie?

Don't most exit interviews make its way to the CEO? Like in a normal company, it should.

Yeah, it should.

So I was under the assumption that this was normal. Again, nothing that happens at that company is normal. None of the corporate structure is normal. The promotions are based off of the work you do. It's all based off who you know. It's political high school at the end of the day. So yes, I noticed that taking place as someone who was there from the beginning.

I noticed the ideological shift at a fundamental level. This was no longer a grassroots organization that believed in principle. This was a Trump machine, and I saw that, and I had my concerns, but at the same time this was different. I thought that Western democracies are at stake, and Trump's my best shot. So I gave it my best shot from the perspective of a young person navigating the corporate world. I wish I had more courage then to just text my friend Charlie, but also I don't know if he even had full control over that. I don't know to what degree this man was managed and insulated.

It just felt like over time he was isolated from his core mission to becoming a political activist, and that was done in the studio on the Charlie Kirk show, which has been taken over by these same core people, who are now proclaiming his message, which to me falls flat on its face when you compare it to the things that he would say, that I would record for three hours a day in front of students. And that's what it comes down to. He's so much more than just a politician or political activist, a talking head. He was a spiritual leader in this nation, the strongest one arguably that we've had in decades. And he was changing the hearts and minds of the youth. And he was getting them to think critically about not only their government, but about the real cost of their actions, and where their souls are, and also the spiritual war that we've been in since the day that Christ died. And to expect these things not to happen, I think is naive. As Christians, we should be soberminded about the fact that we are told we will face persecution. We will be killed for the statements we make, for hedging on the truth. It's why we see all of these people who are too afraid to speak up, because they don't want to get killed. I'm very soberminded about this thing.

I lost my mother when I was 23 or 24. Two years later, I watched Charlie get killed. I get it. We're not meant for this world. This world is temporal, right? We can't take any of this stuff with us. I can't take the job I just lost with me. I can't take the salary I just lost with me. What I can take with me is my soul, my values, the things that I know I lived for, and when I do perish, I can at least say that I did the tough thing, or the right thing when it was tough, right? That's what it is for me. I did as much as I could internally.

That's the only reason why I went back as a contracted videographer was because it wasn't with Turning Point USA. It was with Charlie directly. I was one of three people in his direct eyesight for three hours a day. And it was awesome. It was the experience of a lifetime. I would do it again in a heartbeat. Getting to amplify his message again that was so much more than political.

I was very guilty of ilsten to Charlie for decades, and tuning a lot of it out. And I had a moment where we were at a campus, and I noticed that this wasn't political anymore. This was Charlie speaking to the youth in a way that yes, there were politics underlying it, but he was mainly saving souls, dude. He was a warrior for Christ in a way that they couldn't handle. So they had to kill him. And that's what they did to Christ. And to expect people like him, people such as myself, to not face persecution from the world, I think is naive. So I'm very aware of that.

That's why I waited as long as I did ,because I knew it would happen. I had to wait to see if anyone else was going to do the right thing. And I haven't seen very many people do it yet.

And I was going to say that 9/11, and any of these major traumatic events, we remember what life was like before then, and then there was after. And in the last 10 months, we've gone through such an unveiling of so many things, in such a short amount of time, that sometimes it's hard to remember that a lot of us were kind of naive to a lot of things that Charlie's assassination has woken us up to. And I think some people's process already started on that beforehand, but I think it was really not knowing who we could trust, and who was isolating him. I think it's apparent now that some of these people, like Marin MZ, Stacy Sheridan, Tyler Boyer, Andrew Kolvette, he's definitely not a good guy. He's the one that most likely went back to Miriam Adelson, and told her about the statement that Trump made only in front of Charlie and Andrew, right? Because Charlie didn't say it.

Were you in Aspen when Charlie Kirk named EK as his successor? Thoughts on the video?

I wasn't there, but I will comment on this, because I think it's interesting. I was in their productions department in 2022, 2023, and making deep fakes for Jack Bick using AI. I did a tweet about this the other day. You can go blow it up if you want. Just go to my profile and search deep fakes. You'll find it. It was when the Trump trial was happening actually. Talk about manipulating justice. I look back on the deep fakes which were so god-awful. It's embarrassing now. But none of these people's behavior surprises me. And he had such a busy schedule. Getting him in for recordings was hard sometimes. We needed audio clips. We needed oneliners, whatever it was, whether it was a tail end to a video, or a call to action. We had decades of his footage. I thought that we may as well have a clone we can use, right? And that was something I talked about. I kind of showed them how to do AI in a very novice kind of way, 11 Labs.

So for them to come out here and be like, "Oh, this is not AI. We never use AI." Bro, I was there. The line between truth and fake was actually very thin, but they are willing to push it. We have to be real about what's happening right now, and what point in the timeline we're in, because three years ago is different than what's happened now since Charlie Kirk's been killed. So I'm skeptical of the video for sure. Very skeptical. I'm heavily skeptical actually, incredibly skeptical. Because I showed them 3, 4 years ago how to make AI videos of these people, of our Leftist enemies.
To think that in the 4 years since, while AI has continued to make advancements, that such a video would be impossible, is very naive. They expect you all to just be naive, good Goyim. And there's so many things wrong with that video, right? They add music. They cut it up into two separate parts. They put a still photograph in between. They're putting videos in front of it. And then the video itself doesn't match Candace's video. The mic is in different places where Charlie's holding it. There's issues with his fingers, his teeth, his eyelid, too. I've seen those. He looks like he's saying it in jest. He looks like he's being sarcastic, if it's real at all. And it's taken out of context. He didn't look serious, honestly. There's so many different levels where I think there's something wrong with that video.

All right, we got Christ is King indeed. Add a link to his channel in the description, please.

All right, I think Mystic already put it in the chat. I can't do it during the show, but I'll do it for sure.

Got a reply from Candace.

That's insane. You did?

Yeah. She's retweeted me twice. This is her first reply. That's awesome. Thank you, Candace. I appreciate that.

I was trying to find the deep fake one and I don't have that much time, and I feel like we have barely even scratched the surface. We can do another one. Like we should definitely --

How much time do you have left by the way?

I'm already late to an event. So we can go for another 15 --

It's hard to stop.

I don't want to cut right now. We're good. Let's keep going for 15, and then cut it off.

All right. And then I'll stay on too cuz I can play some stuff for everybody as well.

I promise you I'll come back. I promise. And we're gonna get you, me, and Matt Tutarone. I'm trying to tear down Paramount Tactical's lies.

What is he saying right now, bro?

He's out here posting internal documents from Turning Point USA that go back to 2019. And there's an indication that these people are working together. All of a sudden he is making it his life's mission to tear down Candace Owens. Excuse me.

Who are you? Why do you care? You never cared. I never heard your name once in the 13 years I was working for Turning Point USA. You are irrelevant. Stop using this dude's death to make yourself seem cooler than you are, you federal agent. You government contractor. You are a documented government contractor. Yeah, idiot. It could not be a 30-6, cuz the shirt movement doesn't make sense. There's no exit wound, and the entry wound doesn't look right. Then he was trying to explain the shirt movement by saying that Charlie must have been wearing some sort of ballistic vest, but then he realized no, he wasn't wearing a vest, and when he was around that time frame, he switched sides, and that's also when you got a contract. Interesting.

Oh my goodness, dude. Oh, wait. Did I read that? I said, "Thank you. Thank you, Brian."

We got, "Hi, Mitch. Big love."

The way Turning Point would work was very open. People would just come to the office. I was in productions. We were doing 20 point Live. It was kind of an experiment at the time. So we would always have people coming in and out to be guests there. This is around the time Kyle Rittenhouse was a thing. And Victor Marx became Kyle Rittenhouse's security guard.

Did he really?

They started a whole nonprofit together, brother. I just found this out the other day.
They started a whole nonprofit together. Go look that up.

I will.

I think that I'm a man of principle before I am a man of politics. The principle is what guides my political party. So I stand for justice before anything. And I watched these people do that with Kyle Rittenhouse, and I was very happy for them to do that. That's why I supported them. That's why I worked there. People lived out what they said then. Now I'm watching these people do the exact opposite. And Victor Marx is one of those people. Victor Marx has also admitted to killing people. Admitted it. And so I'm wondering now that he is running for governor in Colorado, I'm wondering if he was promised that seat for whatever his potential role may have been in this assassination? Because he went to Kyle Rittenhouse's defense real quick. They started a nonprofit together. I might be wrong. I don't want to get sued, but I feel like I just looked that up last week.

Well, you could just say in your opinion to the best of your knowledge.

I'm trying to find out. I thought he won the Republican nomination for the governorship of Colorado. Bt the general election has not yet taken place. So he's going to be in the general election. He made it into the next round. That sucks. That's not good for Colorado.

Oh no. One of my mods lives in Colorado. Glenn, we got to get you out of there.

While you look that up, I'm going to read this:

I bet the exit interview didn't find Charlie. Mostly they're conducted by HR and stop there.

But here's what's interesting.

Well, I have an interesting point, too. Say yours and I'll say mine. There was something that happened. I forget what it was.

Matthew Chucherone brought it up with Tyler Boyer. And Tyler Boyer made himself the HR guy during that time so he could fix that whole thing. There was an article written about it. So Tyler Boyer could pull strings within Turning Point, and Turning Point Action, to make things disappear, to control things.

Go ahead.

So the guy I gave my exit interview to, I just recently saw a photo of him at the Founders Ball that Turning Point hosted, and I believe he was elevated to a position of director of some kind, right? And so again, going off the theory that I've had, which is that this company was infiltrated with federal agents, and loyalists who didn't challenge the right things in the right way, that very much supports that belief. I'm also trying to find out if he is the son of the Christian evangelist Erick Erickson, because his name is Dylan Erickson, and the last name is spelled the exact same way. I guess ATP Ministries was started by Victor Marks, not Rittenhouse. I want to correct myself there.

There you go. That's good.

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It's in Artifex memoriarum@ArtifexMemor. Just type that into YouTube and it should come up. I made the handle the same. And then I'm pretty sure Mystic threw it in the regular chat, not the super chats. And then we'll put it in the description. I'll even post it on my X as well.

Candace and Mystic just showed up. Candace put the heart underneath you.

That's dope, dude. That's good.

All right, let's continue.

What do you think about the exploding mic hypothesis?

There's a lot about that event that doesn't make sense to me. The platform seems unreasonably high compared to the ones we've used in the past. We used to run 1-2 inch platforms that would give Charlie's chair about this much lift. And in the photo that I've seen from behind, it looks to be about four to six inches higher, which was interesting to me, and a cause for concern normally. And the amount of people who were there that normally didn't come. Blake Neff never came to Tablings. Andrew Kolvette was there. He was never sent out. Maybe occasionally. I don't know.

But again, with us, it was very much Charlie, Mikey, and security. It was a slim crew, because we were traveling all the time across the country, and you can't afford to pay for that many people's travel. So, the amount of people that were there to me was just insane. I don't know why Terryl Farnsworth was there. I'm gonna say that again. He was at a previous event a long time ago. He would come to events that we typically had in tandem with other events. Sometimes Charlie would go to a campus and he would host a tableling, and then later that night we would have a speaking event which was ticketed indoors, where a guest speaker would come, a politician or somebody who Terryl helped setup while we were outside running the cameras for the normal day.

He would be in the arena kind of pre-loading stuff. We would come in after setting up cams and it had to be that fast. In Vegas we had a tableing that morning. It was with the Director of National intelligence who just got fired. Tulsi Gabbard. And Charlie and Tulsi were there. And we had the Trump rally in Vegas later that day. So Terryl's at the arena getting everything set up, presetting things. He may have popped over to campus to grab a couple things and come back. So he was there, but it was very rare, and only at specific events where he was there.

So there were a lot of anomalies that day.

Did you answer your opinion on the mic thing?

I'm still working through a lot of that cuz I know a lot of these people personally. And so for me, it's one of those things that breaks my brain in many ways. I've seen some videos that -- I'm not going to deny what my eyes are showing me -- that don't really add up, right? And I have questions. I don't necessarily believe anything one way or another, because the implications of that would kind of be heartbreaking, and earthshattering for me in many ways. But anything's possible, and I'm not ruling anything out either. I am justg remaining focused on what's happening at a deeper philosophical level for our nation, and I don't want to get distracted by things like that, because I feel like that's how those things are kind of being used to a certain degree. At the same time though, I think we've learned a lot of truth from those kind of theories.

So I'm not saying to not pursue them either. I just think that you pick your fight, and engage in it, and don't get distracted. And we may never know how it happened.

I think also, like with JFK, there's probably multiple Hows. They probably were going to make sure that he never walked out of there alive, and there was probably a contingency for contingency for contingency. But really focusing on the who and the why is going to be really important.

And for anyone who wants to label me as trying to destroy Charlie's legacy, I'm not. I'm using the same questions Charlie asked about JFK to approach his own assassination. And I think that if it was anyone else in the chair, whether it was Candace Owens or even Ben Shapiro, they would be asking the same questions: Who benefited the most?

Charlie himself would be tracing the fringe theories. He would not be trusting the state. He would not be trusting the evidence, especially the evidence that up until this point is very questionable, especially in the age of AI where they can fake videos, they can fake photos.

Again, this is a litmus test on multiple levels, and they're testing how much they can get away with, in my opinion.

I just want to say this so Mitch was fired from Maricopa County for speaking the truth about Charlie Kirk. He's been going max online ever since. He didn't do this for money. He's not doing this for recognition. And we have 4,000 people here. We could get his YouTube channel almost monetized in this very moment, if everyone goes over and clicks the subscribe button, and help get him on his way to being able to do this on a regular basis. And so I just wanted to spell out the name on his Youtube, it's A r t i f ex M e m o r. And that's a surefire way to help support him. Just click the button.

All right. We got Kim, another listener from Vandelia, Ohio.

Last night we were stuck inside the smoke. Tonight the power is out from the storms. Love your show.

Oh, I'm glad that you have something to watch.

I'm way up in northern Idaho. I don't know how people are handling all these fires in Canada right now. This whole thing looked apocalyptic yesterday. You can't go outside with all the the fires in Canada right now.

All right, we got Valentine Bill Bilby. "What a joy to meet this articulate, lovely young man with a truly good heart. No other past, present, toilet paper is this intelligent and good other than CK, obviously."

Thank you. That's such a good compliment.

Jim Carrey. "If everyone subscribes, he will have 3,000 subscribers."

Actually, he'll have 4,16. Even if half of you guys subscribed, I would be at like 2K. That would be kind of sick. It would be really cool.

Let me hit refresh. Right now he's at 265. So it's climbing. So let's get him there, you guys.

Next. And I want to be respectful of your time. I know we're almost at that 50-minute mark.

Christ is King indeed. "When did the Zionist pastors start to creep in after 2018?"

It was right around the Stop the Steal post, 2020. And that's kind of the moment in my mind I go back to, 2020, 2021. It's when I actually stepped out of my Charlie Kirk shell as an intern, and then they brought in Mikey McCoy to start supporting Charlie's day-to-day, and that was right when Rob McCoy got in the picture. And the story that I've been told is that Charlie was already meeting with Rob McCoy. Charlie needed someone to take him to the airport. Mikey did it, and it was kind of on that drive that Charlie and Mikey talked, and became friends, and started working together. That's the story I was told and heard. I don't know if it's the complete story.

There are a lot of stories in Turning Point that may or may not be true, because we didn't hear them from Charlie. We've heard him from Erika.

We can talk again. I'll give you my story on that, and we can break it down again if you want to. I'm happy to come back.

I didn't realize it's been two and a half hours already. This has been great. And I'm happy to come back whenever, and would love to learn again how you might be able to give me some perspective on this.

100%.

So it's been 15 minutes, and I'm going to let you sign off.

Okay. All right, brother. I appreciate it.

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I'm gonna continue on tonight, you guys. So please stay on. But we didn't even get to the video. We got to get to the video. We got to do that. We got to at least get through it a little bit. I'll get to the super chats after.

So, we're going to listen to this video. This is Charlie Kirk. What was the date on this? I think it was November 13th, 2023. So here's the article. Charlie Kirk defends Elon Musk's anti-semitism.

Some of the largest financiers of left-wing anti-white causes have been Jewish Americans.

[Kirk] It is wrong and repulsive to call a great man like Elon Musk an anti-semite. It cheapens the label of anti-semitism. It is not good for anybody.

Here, the artist formerly known as Eric, writes, "Okay, Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them. I'm deeply disinterested in giving the tiniest [CENSORED] about Western Jewish populations coming to the disturbing realization that those hordes of minorities who are flooding their country don't exactly like them much. You want the truth said to your face. Well, there it is."

All right. Across the country, honored to be with you. You can email us as always and subscribe to our podcast.

"Excellent event last evening in Reno, Nevada. It's great to see so many of you. I cannot emphasize enough the win for liberty, the win for humanity that the liberation of Twitter has meant for all of us. It's remarkable. Liberating Twitter from what it once us was is a win for the narrative. It's a win for truth. It's a win as we try to fight back against this unitary regime, the tyrants and the authoritarian dictators that are running the country. Elon Musk, even if they shut down Twitter today, will go down as a major hero for allowing us to be able to speak, to question narratives, to get the truth out.

Elon Musk got himself in a little bit of trouble yesterday. Elon Musk responded to a tweet, and I don't think the tweet was that smart. I think one part of it is legit, but I think another part of it is not so great. But the essence of what Elon was responding to is a major thought crime in America, and that the world's wealthiest man would comment on this is historic.

So, here's the tweet and it's responding to a video of a white father, with his white son, saying to his son, "Hey, you think that, you know, you're posting online all this anti-semitic stuff? " Pretty powerful advertisement. This is the ad. It's about a minute long. It's a very powerful ad. And then a person on Twitter responded to this advertisement, and then Elon responded to the person responding to the advertisement. Bear with us, because right now Elon Musk is being targeted like never before. Elon Musk was supposed to speak at a summit today, and he has been cancelled. They don't want to hear from Elon Musk, because they are tarring and feathering him as an anti-semite. They've come after this program for calling us anti-semites. Play cut 79.

I saw what you've been posting. Hitler was right. I didn't teach you that. You hide behind your screen spewing all this hatred and ugliness. You got something you want to say? Get out of the truck and say it to their faces. We got to pump those numbers up. And I just want to point out right here that this is paid for by the Foundation to Combat Anti-semitism, which is now known as the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate. It was created by Robert Craft, the owner of the New England Patriots.

So that advertisement was responded to by the artist formerly known as Eric.

"Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them. I am deeply disinterested in giving the tiniest swear word, let's just say tiniest crap now, about Western Jewish populations coming to the disturbing realization that those hordes of minorities that flood their country don't exactly like them too much. You want truth said to your face, there it is."

Elon Musk faces scrutiny after calling antisemitic X post the ‘absolute truth’
by Sarah Fortinsky
The Hill
11/16/23 10:21 AM ET
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4312 ... itic-post/

Tech billionaire Elon Musk is facing a wave of backlash after engaging with an antisemitic social media post Wednesday, calling it the “absolute truth.”

The antisemitic post Musk seemed to endorse came in response to a user on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, who expressed concern about rising antisemitism.

“To the cowards hiding behind the anonymity of the internet and posting ‘Hitler was right’: You got something you want to say?” the initial user, who identified themselves as a “Jewish Conservative” in their bio, wrote. “Why dont you say it to our faces.”

Another user responded, suggesting antisemitism was carried out by minorities and claimed the Jews were to blame.

“Okay. Jewish [communities] have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them,” the post read.

“I’m deeply disinterested in giving the tiniest shit now about western Jewish populations coming to the disturbing realization that those hordes of minorities that support flooding their country don’t exactly like them too much,” the user continued, adding, “You want truth said to your face, there it is.”

Musk replied: “You have said the actual truth.”

The claim echoes false conspiracy theories that say Jews want to flood the country with minorities.

As The Atlantic’s Yair Rosenberg noted, the Pittsburgh Tree of Life shooter in 2018 — the man who carried out the country’s deadliest antisemitic attack — espoused this conspiracy theory in the last words he posted before entering the synagogue on the morning of the shooting.

The shooter wrote The Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society “likes to bring invaders in that kill our people. … Screw your optics, I’m going in.”

Musk’s apparent endorsement of this conspiracy theory faced immediate scrutiny online.

CNN’s Jake Tapper responded on X, describing the tech billionaire’s response as “pushing unvarnished anti semitism at a time of rising antisemitism and violence against Jews.”

Other journalists, including Matthew Yglesias, also responded to the post, characterizing it by saying: “America’s richest man chimes in to say that Jews are getting what we deserve for being liberals.”

In a follow-up post on X, Musk went after the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), a group that advocates against antisemitic and hate speech, saying, “The ADL unjustly attacks the majority of the West, despite the majority of the West supporting the Jewish people and Israel.”

“This is because they cannot, by their own tenets, criticize the minority groups who are their primary threat. It is not right and needs to stop,” he added.

His post only continued a longtime feud between Musk and the ADL, which has been a target of the billionaire’s ire as he blamed the league’s criticism for falling ad revenue.

In February, after he bought Twitter, multiple reports began to surface showing how Musk’s posts on X, called Twitter at the time, were boosted by a factor of 1,000 — confirming what many users anecdotally felt to be true as Musk’s posts flooded their feeds.

Many experts have warned this gives Musk a far bigger platform than other users, making his voice all the more powerful.

Now, let me just say this is not a very well-written tweet. It's very confusing. I'll go through what they're basically saying here. Half of this tweet is true, half of it I don't like.

Now, we don't know what part Elon is saying is the actual truth. So, let's go through this. Again, it's double negatives, and misuses the word "disinterested."

It's a strange tweet that Elon pinpointed on here, but the first part is absolutely true. "Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them." Now, I don't like generalizations. Not every Jewish person believes that. But it is true the Anti-Defamation League was part and parcel with Black Lives Matter. It is true that some of the largest financiers of Left-wing anti-white causes have been Jewish Americans. They went all in on woke. And it wasn't just ADL. It was some of the top Jewish organizations in the country that have done that. In fact, we have seen this with the recent retreat of Jewish donations that are no longer going to be given to colleges, right? Mark Rowan, Leon Copperman. Can we get that full list? It's very powerful. So, that's totally true. And by the way, Tucker Carlson reinforces this. So It was quite a day on the Internet.

Tucker Carlson was interviewing Candace Owens. We have Candace Owens coming up next hour. And Tucker Carlson mentions that Jewish Americans have primarily been financing cultural Marxist ideas. We said this, by the way, last week and people came after us. We actually said it in a different way. And people misunderstood it intentionally, and slandered us as being anti-semmites. But listen to this. Tucker Carlson is completely correct by saying that the philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors in the country.

What is the supposed harm that happens to "whites," during the ongoing "white genocide"?

[Gemini AI] The term "white genocide" (and its closely related variant, the "Great Replacement" theory) refers to an extremist conspiracy theory. Demographers, sociologists, and historians widely reject the theory as unfounded, noting that it relies on a misinterpretation of demographic trends and a pseudoscientific view of race.

However, within the internal logic of the conspiracy theory—popularized by white supremacist and far-right movements—proponents claim that white people are facing an existential, deliberate effort to bring about their decline or extinction.

The alleged "harms" asserted by adherents fall into several distinct categories:

1. Demographic "Extinction" through Replacement
The core claim is that white people are undergoing a demographic collapse caused by intentional policies. Proponents argue that the harm comes from:

Falling Birth Rates:
Adherents frame declining birth rates among white populations in Western nations not as a typical socio-economic trend, but as a crisis leading to biological extinction.

Mass Immigration:
They view immigration from non-European, non-white nations as a deliberate influx designed to outnumber and dilute the white majority.

Interracial Relationships:
The theory often portrays intermarriage and racial integration as tools of "forced assimilation" that reduce the "pure" white population over generations.

2. Loss of Political Power and "Minority Status"
Believers in the conspiracy argue that white people are being systematically stripped of their political dominance and sovereignty within historically majority-white nations.

Loss of Democratic Control:
The theory asserts that altering a nation’s demographics shifts voting patterns, ensuring that traditional white majorities permanently lose political agency.

Perceived Marginalization:
Proponents claim that policies aimed at diversity, equity, or multiculturalism actively discriminate against white people, positioning them as second-class citizens in their own countries.

3. Cultural and Civilization Erasure
Proponents frame the perceived physical replacement of people as an erasure of heritage, religion, and culture.

Destruction of Western Civilization:
The theory claims that European history, traditions, and Christian identity will be completely replaced by foreign cultural values and religions (most frequently targeting Muslim, Black, or Hispanic immigrant communities).

"Deculturation":

European authors aligned with replacement narratives (such as Renaud Camus) assert that globalism reduces unique national identities to a generic, interchangeable global population.

4. Claims of Physical Violence
In some iterations of the theory, the alleged harm is presented not just as demographic or cultural, but as immediate physical threat:

"Reverse Colonization" and Invasions:
Extremist groups portray immigrants and non-white populations as active aggressors or "invaders" who pose a violent threat to white residents.

Amplification of Targeted Incidents:
Adherents often point to specific local violent events—such as farm attacks in South Africa or urban crime in Western nations—and reframe them as evidence of an organized, systemic campaign of violence against white people.

The Supposed "Masterminds" Behind the Harm
Central to the "white genocide" narrative is the belief that this is not a natural historical shift, but a deliberate plot. Adherents accuse globalist leaders, liberal politicians, or—frequently in neo-Nazi versions of the myth—Jewish people ("Zionist Occupied Governments") of secretly orchestrating immigration, social reforms, and demographic shifts to weaken or eliminate white populations.

Reality & Academic Consensus
Scholars emphasize that demography in Western nations is changing due to standard global factors—such as economic development, global mobility, urbanization, and changing family planning choices—rather than an organized plot. The narrative of "white genocide" is categorized by human rights monitors and academic researchers as a dangerous political myth designed to justify xenophobia, white nationalism, and far-right violence.

But then I thought, wait a second. If the biggest donors to say Harvard have decided, we're going to shut it down now, where were you the last 10 years when they were for white genocide? You were allowing this. And then I found myself really hating those people actually. On what grounds were you okay with that? And this is what I've been trying to explain to the pro-Israel lobby that what you are seeing as lack of support is people asking the question, "Where were you as we have endured all of this?"

You were paying for it actually. You were calling my children immoral for their skin color. You paid for that. So why shouldn't I be mad at you? I don't understand. So what Tucker is saying is similar to part of the tweet that Elon isolated that is true. Let's just say they are Liberals, but that includes Jewish financiers of liberal causes, who didn't really care about University of Chicago having courses that say "The problem with Whiteness." They didn't really care about American Express saying that we must eliminate Whiteness. In fact, they were supportive of it. A lot of liberals were okay with critical race theory, diversity, equity, and inclusion.

ADL went all-in on the BLM type narrative. And ADL is one of many different organizations that were perfectly fine with the growing anti-White wave. Now, many of these Jews did not fully understand what they were financing. Their intentions were probably pretty good. But intentions mean next to nothing here. I'm sure some of the intentions weren't so good. But let's just set intentions aside. I'm not that interested in intentions. I'm interested in actions. Intentions are very hard to pinpoint. We get too caught up in the conservative movement on intentions. I learned this from the great Dennis Prager, who says, "Stop focusing on intentions. Focus on the actions."

As I've said before, and there's a video that went viral, the Nazis thought they were doing good. They convinced themselves that they were doing good, when in reality, they were doing some of the greatest evil in the history of the species. So again, Hamas thinks they're doing good. I could go through all this, but they're doing evil.

So I'm not convinced that somebody's intentions are what matters. Many Jewish financiers are culturally financing George Washington University, Colombia, Yale, Dartmouth, over and over and over again, hundreds of millions of dollars, billions of dollars, financing many nonprofits that many of them are now recognizing was a bad idea.

So I'm going to build this out, because the second part of the tweet I don't like, and it ties into some news that is not so good for AOC, but it's not good for Ayanna Presley either. But let me just say it is wrong and repulsive to call a great man like Elon Musk an anti-semite. It cheapens the label of anti-semitism. It is not good for anybody. I think that's the clip that they don't want you to remember. That's the moment in time when everybody on Twitter who is telling you to trust the government, to not question things, to not ask why, rhat's the moment they want you to forget.

I don't think you guys realize how impactful this was before we went live. This is what I feel people are missing. And I put out a tweet the other day that amplifies a little bit. And it said, first they came for Candace Owens and I did nothing. Then they came for Tucker and I did nothing. And they came for Joe Kent and I did nothing. And it wasn't until I spoke out publicly and got blocked by Tyler Boyer, who I've known for 13 years, that I realized they're going to come for you, too.

As Charlie indicated there, many people can convince themselves that what they are doing is right, is just, is in line with God, when in reality they are advocating for evil. And I think that's what we are in the middle of. I think it is very deceptive. I think that what we have seen from the Israel lobby, the Jewish community, however Charlie himself labeled it, Charlie said it first.

So whatever you want to label me, you are inadvertently labeling Charlie. I'm not saying anything that he didn't say. They've pushed this anti-white rhetoric. But they're also funding the same causes that that heavily influence conservatism as well. So, they're playing both sides to end up on top, to funnel us down into what end? Again, I don't care about the means as much as I care about the end.And that's what I'm going to be writing about in my book.

I think that it traces back to the reconstruction of Germany, the foundation of the nation state of Israel, the idea of never again, the idea of denying humanity the truth that we all know existed, that was rewritten in the wake of World War II. And it's up to us to get to the bottom of it. And we will eventually. I think it's just going to take time.

And people like Candace Owens, myself, and Tucker Carlson, and yourself even, just continue to add this pressure and speaking truth to power. Again, I want to emphasize that I'm not doing this because I want to be famous. I don't enjoy this. It's uncomfortable for me. But I'm doing it because it's where I feel God is. I feel like he's had me in all the right places for this moment. And at this point, I'm not going to do what I want to do, which is run and hide. I'm just going to trust what God is putting in my heart, which is to speak up and hold people accountable for falsehoods and blatant dishonesty, when they themselves are the ones claiming to be Christians and standing for Christ. I just can't let it happen anymore. Guys, please share that clip far and wide. Send it to your family. Send it to your friends. Put it in every every tweet that these liars put out, because we know now that this is the reason. We know that this is why it discredits every statement that these people say going forward until Elon Musk and everyone else addresses this there. You're all invalid, and discredited. And they were already discredited when they lied to the public and amplified that. But this just further emphasizes it. They are working to disinform you intentionally to keep you away from this issue.

And it's why not a single one of them has responded to me, because they know once they do, they're going to open up a can of worms that they can't close. Just like with Charlie, he was on every campus. He knew that this Israel issue was like the cat's out of the bag. You're not going to put it back in without force.

And that's the thing. People think that we can still change things in this country just by talking about them. I think Charlie kind of proved that is over. And they're now trying to force things, right? It's going to come to a boiling point eventually. It's a matter of what and when, and what it will take for people to recognize that this is where we're at until it's too late. And we might get to the point where we lose the opportunity to. We have to pray, reflect, and work together to think about those things, and recognize the implications of a lot of that, too. And it's not easy. It's very complex. It's not going to be pretty, but it's the part people don't want to talk about. And that's what makes this whole moment so deceptive, and so important. And that's what I'm doing.

I think so much hinges on this moment. There's so much riding on this moment. It seems they've put so much into this moment that it's tied to something down the line that's much bigger than we probably even realize. I don't know if you guys know that these Zionists were breeding special cows in Texas, red heifers, and they've already shipped them to Israel so that when some accidental stray missile blows up the Dome of the Rock, they can rebuild the third temple, which they need to do for their Messiah. But we already know their Messiah is actually our Messiah. He already came. And so they're going to use these heifers to consecrate and cleanse the temple mount, so they can rebuild the third temple. I don't know how some Christians support that. The funny thing is they'll try and label you an anti-semite for just witnessing something happening, and commenting on it.

Again, that's kind of a laughable example of it, but it gets down to the root of where this ends, right? People start with things as silly as labeling, but then it gets serious, like criticizing your government and who they make deals with, which will land you in prison or dead, because that's how fascist dictatorships work. That's what Charlie said in that clip himself. I'm not saying anything the man himself didn't say. The problem is the people he put in power, who he trusted to uproot the tyrants, have become the tyrants. It goes back to Trump when he said, "I was once the hunted. Now I'm the hunter.

Except he was taking that a little bit too far, and not hunting the things that we all elected him to hunt, which is the deep state, and illegal immigrants, and fixing this country for us. He's Israel's hitman, and Bibi's personal assassin. It's so transparently obvious to me that the people who are backing the fed slop argument for Charlie Kirk's death, are all enemies of the state. And we are aware that this political war that they've put in front of us is fake. And we are aware of the spiritual implications of it. And when we do take this country back with Christ on our side, the guys who love touching the wall so much are going to be made to face it, because that's what they want to do to us, and it's right. They love to touch the wall so much, let's see how much they actually like to touch it. And we're not going to put any grass outside for you either, because Erika loves to say, and so does Andrew, that everyone needs to go touch grass. We'll just make it all concrete for you guys. It's going to be nice marble stone. The red will flow.

Heather has issues. God bless you both, Mitch and Matt. I'm in awe of your bravery.

Yeah. Thank you, Heather. Awesome.

Matt. Love your show. Hugs. Patricia.

Thank you, Patricia. So Artifex Memor is his YouTube channel, guys. Thank you for putting that there.

Then we got J Roller. Matt, I love your show and listen to it regularly. Just a suggestion. When you have guests on, add their name next to yours on the bottom of the screen. Great guest, by the way, and great job.

That's a good suggestion. Thank you.

Here we go. Reita. I know you didn't want to be here, and this was not your plan. This is clearly God's plan, and God always provides for those who truly serve Christ. This is a spiritual war and a Christ revolution.

100% agree. I couldn't agree more.

Then we got Ray Marie. Go watch John Aaron Bray work on the explosion, Mike. There was a gunshot to trigger the explosion by the frequency sound passing the tent.

Yes, John Bray's been on the show like four, five times. And I'm sure that stuff exists. And again, I love the work that people have been doing there. I'm not trying to sit here and discredit it. My whole thing is that I don't want to get focused on that. I want to remain focused on the government, and holding the people accountable, the things that Charlie was doing right before his death. So keep up the pressure. I'm coming at this from a kind of philosophical historical level that I think a lot of people are missing. And I don't think that either of us are doing wrong.

So I respect the work everyone's done. Everyone is different. Everyone's bringing their own expertise to this, right? And what Mitch is bringing to it is totally different than what John has brought to it, and others who have brought different their own ways.

We're all going to be contributing to this as a whole. We're all doing different things. We're the body of Christ, but we're like different parts. So together, we can take them down. That's the thing. Mitch's insight on Terrell Farnsworth working for Tyler Boyer. Yeah. They've known each other. The Mormon Mafia is real, and I think it should be investigated. And the Mormon church operates as a business, and I think that much of their business framework has been applied to Turning Point USA. It's just my personal belief. And I think that they were friends long before Turning Point. I know that Terrell just so happened to kind of fall into the position, right? Just like I did as a camera guy who loves media. This wasn't like anything that they did intentionally, or conspired for decades to do. I think this was something that just happened over time, people get in over their heads, and they make choices one way or another. They go backwards. They're both Mormon, and that should be considered. I think it's telling that in Tyler's own admission, he says that when he saw Charlie Kirk, he said, "That's a guy I can hitch my wagon to," which is a selfish self. Send me that clip, please.

That makes my blood boil, bro. That means that he saw Charlie as a means to an end. They saw him as an asset. They saw him as a tool to get us here. So I don't care about the mic as much as I care about how his life was used, and who used it, and who betrayed him, who lied to me, who lied to Charlie, who lied to all these good-hearted people who were expecting you to act one way, but when the hour of crisis came, now we're here and you're not. That's what it comes down to for me.

Mystic, thank you for the gift of 10 Blackline brief memberships.

Then we have Orion, who just became a member.

And then we have this last one. We're all caught up, and then we can let Mitch go.

"Protect Mitch at all costs. So much of Charlie's heart comes through in your words. Proud of and praying for you."

Thank you. I appreciate that 100%. 100%.

And let's check where you're at right now. Let me hit refresh.

We are at Dude, you're at 441 and climbing.

That's so cool. Wow. Again, I just created it last night. I put the profile picture up as we were here. We've had 4,000 people people here the whole time.

I need to send the video to you so that you can start earning those watch hours. You need to get watch hours. I'll send it to you when I'm done. I'll download it and send it to you.

I very much enjoyed this. This was a lot of fun. I don't have a smoking gun, and hope people aren't waiting for that because I'm not sitting over here kind of gaming this out.

There is one thing I'm kind of holding on to, and I'll reveal that when it's right. That's the only other thing outside of what I've described up until this point. I think the more that we have these kinds of conversations openly, honestly, reflecting on the past, the present, comparing the two, we'll start to expose these people for who they truly are. Innocent people don't act the way that Blake Neff is acting in Twitter spaces right now. I'm sorry. They don't. He sounds afraid. He sounds scared. And they're slipping up. As Charlie said best, I always go back to my friend's words. With Kyle Rittenhouse, Charlie said that the media machine has showed us its power, but they do have vulnerabilities, and we are seeing those vulnerabilities right now. History doesn't change. You just have to look at it and know how to use it. Christ is king, and we will win, and these demons are using politics to wage a spiritual war.

And the more we talk about that openly, hopefully the more people we will wake up. I truly feel like we are living in the matrix right now. And when I saw Candace start Matrix posting, I was like, we're on the right side of it.

I'm happy to be here, and I thank you all for your support. So Matt, I would love to get a financial thing set up, because I am kind of struggling right now, but we'll figure it out, and that would be great. Yeah, please. I do have to run. I'm like an hour late to a birthday party. So I will get out of here and we will chat more soon. Thank you all very much again for your time. I love you. God bless, and we'll talk soon. All right. Later, man.

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All right, you guys. Let me get to the next super chat that came in. I have some things I want to show you. Don't take off, y'all.

I still have a good show planned. And me and Mitch are going to do more. We just barely scratched the surface, you guys. If I could show you, I have lso many notes that we prepared. But in a live scenario like this, you also have to just go with the flow, and allow everything to happen naturally. That's how I do interviews. I'm not really interviewing as much as having a conversation in front of everybody. We'll get to the questions next time if we didn't get them answered.

Also, Matthew Tuteron and Mitch and myself are planning a collab live together next week. Hopefully on Wednesday. I'll let you guys know about that, because that'll be really good.

Both Matthew Tuteroni, with Turning point action, and Mitchell with TPUSA, neither of them knew each other while they were there, and got connected on X after the fact by seeing each other's posts. We need to look into Tyler Boyer because there's a lot of weird stuff there. Tyler Boyer needs to be investigated. Getting Matt and Mitch together in a show will be beneficial for one another, and for all of us, and for the community. I'm excited for that. Charlie is smiling on you.

Finally, truth. Kathy, thank you for that.

All right, let's see. What did you guys think about that ad of that father and son? I thought it was extremely manipulative. Here is Robert Craft's Wikipedia with the Blue Square Alliance, which used to be called the Foundation to Combat Anti-semitism. It was formed in 2019 by Robert Craft, who is the owner of the New England Patriots. He's the one that paid for that. If anyone hasn't seen it before, this is Artifex Memor's page on YouTube. He doesn't have any videos yet, but I'm going to help him get set up so that he can start posting videos. We got him [Mitchell Manley] 458 subscribers so far. That's amazing. I think we could get even more.

I think I need to back up just a smidge. This is Governor Cox. This is just after Tyler supposedly turns himself in. Listen to what he says.

[Gov. Cox] Correct. Yes. So when he's first spotted on campus, he has different clothing on, and then he changes clothing on the roof, and then changed back into that clothing at some point, so that when he was apprehended, he was arrested.

[Matt McKim, Blackline Brief] What's that, Governor Cox? What's that? Say that again. "He changed on the roof." Hold up. Hold up. You liar. You liar. You lie. Why do you lie, governor? And Kash Patel's back there pretty much with an invisible gun to your heads making sure you say the right thing. Also, parts of this have been edited out. So there is stuff missing.

Utah Gov. Cox & FBI Director Kash Patel Give Urgent Update on Charlie Kirk Shooting | AC15
DWS News
10 months ago

This one's longer. Here's a couple of things. This is how clear the one that they showed in court is. It's not as grainy as what we saw. So, there was some degradation with them filming a screen played in court. This is the original surveillance video from the roof from that day. But you'll see that once they zoom in, this is as close as it is naturally, okay? So there's no way they can see him pull out a rifle. There's no way they see him assemble a rifle, shoot the rifle, muzzle flash, recoil. They don't see that. And the more you zoom in on this footage, the worse the quality gets. Also, when they played this video this video in court, there is time missing. Why?

Do you guys remember the stairwell footage of Eagle Boy? So what Governor Cox is trying to imply right there, and I don't know why, is they're saying that Tyler Robinson walked on campus to shoot Charlie Kirk in the maroon shirt, in the shorts, and in the Converse shoes, and that once he got to the roof, he changed into the black eagle shirt, long pants, hat, and glasses.

I don't know why he said this right here. I have no clue why they said he changed into those clothes on the roof. It would have to be those clothes. Those are the clothes that he's wearing when he jumps off the roof. And when he turns himself in, he's in pants this time, Converse shoes, and maroon shirt.

In this footage that they showed initially, you don't see anyone changing. And if they did have him changing in the footage, why wouldn't they have showed that in court? Why wouldn't they have showed that to us in the beginning? Why is there footage missing at all? It doesn't make sense. Why did Governor Cox lie? Righ, because his lips are moving, and that's just what they do.

So as we scooted in, it got a little bit more blurry, okay. And now we're going to scoot in even more. Or is this as close as it gets? I think it scoots in a little bit more as he gets close to the corner. Yep. And see, it gets even more blurry. See how it makes the pixels bigger. It gets everything more pixelated the closer they zoom in. This did not make things more clear. It made it less clear. It looks like you're looking through gas fumes, right? Or you're looking through water. See what it does to the edges? The definition is gone.

That's not a rifle in his hand. It's like a shirt. It's like a jacket. It's like a towel or something. There's nothing solid or fixed in there. I don't see anything solid or fixed. It just flopped on the ground, okay?

This is the clothing that they're saying he changed into on the roof. But this is the same clothing. At least it looks like that from here. His pants, black shirt, long sleeve shirt, hat, and a black backpack. That's what it looks like to me.

So Governor Cox freaking lied. Why did you lie, Governor Cox?

[Gov. Cox] The clothing matched the clothing he had on before the shooting here at UVU.

That's all I really wanted to play was that one part. Here, let's check this out. This is Tyler Boyer just after the assassination. This is Tyler Boyer, September 22nd, 2025. Let's hear straight from the horse's mouth.

[John Hook's Newsmaker] ... to talk about his close friend Charlie Kirk.

[Fox 10 host] You're one of Charlie's closest friends. You guys really came through the ranks together. You joined in 2015, I believe.

[Tyler Boyer] Yep. Yep. I met Charlie in 2014.

[Fox 10 host] How are you doing, first of all?

[Tyler Boyer] We're doing good, you know, all things considered. It's been a week unlike anything else. I think the hardest part is kind of losing the person that you would consider one of your closest friends, one of your closest allies, and at the same time, the person that helps you run all the business, that everyone looks up to. Obviously we're seeing the flooding of prayers, and we're feeling it. All of our people are feeling it. But we're hanging in there.

[Fox 10 host] How is Erica doing?

[Tyler Boyer] Erika is great. Remarkably strong. She has been so brave throughout this whole thing, and quite honestly an inspiration for all of us.

[Fox 10 host] She's been very protective of the kids, and I want to clear something up, because we have not gotten a clear answer. Were the kids there?

[Tyler Boyer] No, they were not.

No, were they? No. No. No. But everyone lied in the beginning, and said she was to help propel that emotional asset she is, the grief, and sympathy component to it.

[Fox 10 host] Okay.

[Tyler Boyer] So, yeah, there's been a lot of rumor mill stuff online.

Probably by you.

-- with all of that. We're praying so hard for his children.

[Fox 10 host] Of course.

[Tyler Boyer] We kissed goodbye that morning.

[Fox 10 host] He left that morning to fly to Utah for that rally.

[Tyler Boyer] That's right.

We don't know that actually. I don't know why Tyler is saying he kissed his kids goodbye. You guys, Erika said that he left without saying goodbye to her, without kissing her goodbye. So, if Charlie kissed Gigi and Matt goodbye, that means I'm right. And there was a fight with Erika the night before. Cuz Gigi is sleeping in the bed with Erika, Charlie takes a shower in the other bathroom. He walks into the master bedroom to get his necklace and his ring. And if Tyler's right, that means Charlie kissed Gigi next to Erika, didn't say goodbye to Erika, didn't kiss her, goes and kisses Matt, and then leaves. But I don't even know how Tyler would know if he kissed Matt. Mac is at the time 1-1/2. He's in a crib. He's in a different room. So that must have come from Erika. And what can you believe when that woman says it, you know? But it would make it more weird, that's for sure. It just keeps getting weirder.

Hold on. Let's see what popped up. Did I read this one?

I'm sure Charlie's smiling. I did this one.

What up, Matt? What up, fake Blake? I don't like it when I see that, man. You get me nervous every time I see that, bro. I don't like it. You should change your profile photo and your name to something else. [laughter]

Christ is king indeed, became a member today. Thank you for becoming a member.

"Are you and the real bays cool now?

Uh, no. Nope.

All right, let's continue.

[Fox 10 host] Most of us know Charlie through these interactions with kids on college campuses. Can you fill in the picture of Charlie the person?

[Tyler Boyer] Who you see online is exactly who Charlie was behind the scenes. I met Charlie basically just coming into young manhood, and coming out of his teenage years. And ever since day one, I have ever met Charlie, he has been a person that's endearing, cares very much, the most passionate person you'll ever meet. I've turned down a lot of political jobs in my life; I never thought I'd actually end up working in politics because so many people were just difficult to work for.

[Fox 10 host] It's an ugly business.

[Tyler Boyer] It's awful. And when I met Charlie --

Yeah, you're the one that lives in it. You like back swim in it. You're doing the breaststroke in it, bro. What are you talking about? It's awful. All right.

[Tyler Boyer] And I was just telling the story at ASU. I flew out to meet Charlie. It was -10° in Chicago. I flew Spirit Airlines. He put me on Spirit Airlines to go meet him. We stayed in a Holiday Express. But through all of that shines through just this incredibly passionate young man who wanted to do what was right by the conservative movement. And that was unique at the time, because this was in the shadows of the Obama 2.0 era, and Conservatives just were kind of lost, and didn't really know how to engage, and how to talk to the public, and young people in particular, college campuses were basically just completely wiped clean of anything that had two sides to a story. And Charlie had this vision and this passion, to be able to go there and do it. And it was easy for me as a young guy that was coming out of college here at ASU, to want to join up and help spread that message.

[Fox 10 host] So the vision from the get-go was let's go right into the belly of the beast, so to speak.

[Tyler Boyer] That's right.

[Fox 10 host] And engage these kids.

[Tyler Boyer] How Charlie died was exactly the way that he started, which was going right in.

All right. Actually, so the one I think I want to see is here. All right. I'm pretty sure this is where he says, and I need to send this one to Artifex, this is where he says I could hitch my wagon to Charlie Kirk.

[Tyler Boyer] Hello everyone. My name is Tyler Boyer.

I'm gonna apologize right now for the volume. It's in a stadium, and it's the speaker.

[applause] Thank you. We love Charlie. I want to start today by telling the joke that I heard Charlie Kirk tell about 1 million times before he spoke before an audience. Does anybody here know it? Think you know it? So pretend I'm Charlie for a second. I'm Charlie Kirk. I'm from Illinois. We believe in term limits. One term in office, one term in jail. The second joke he always told before we got in before an audience, was, "Wow, there's more people in here than in our first event. And there's definitely more people that are here than we had in our first event. There's more people here, to be honest. And I'm a devil.

You know you're a devil. That's for sure.

[Tyler Boyer] All right. I want to just tell you real quick a story about meeting Charlie.

There we go.

[Tyler Boyer] I want to tell you about how I met Charlie. How we ended up here in Arizona.

Yep. Here it is.

[Tyler Boyer] I met Charlie Kirk in 2014. We worked, he talked me into taking a subminimum wage job.

Oh, you didn't like that, did you?

[Tyler Boyer] My wife's here somewhere. She wasn't really excited about that at the time. I had two kids, really young kids, taking a subminimum wage job. He put me on the flight, the Spirit Airlines flight. I know. That's where the [INAUDIBLE] usually was. but I went to ASU, so I don't give a shit. And I showed up, and it was -10° in Chicago at a Holiday Express. So, you kind of layer all these things together. You start to see this beautiful picture of Turning Point in the early days.

But I walked into that Holiday Express, and I spent what would become three days with Charlie. And I spent just a couple hours one-on-one with Charlie Kirk. And this is before anyone knew who Charlie was. And I was surrounded by actual conservatives, activists much like this group, surrounded by conservative activists that actually cared about the movement and wanted to do this. And I looked at Charlie, and I spent those few hours that I had with Charlie in that first first encounter at -10° outside Chicago, didn't know what the heck I was doing, and I walked away from that going, I can hitch my wagon to this guy.

There it is. 318. I got you, buddy. Sending this to Artifex. Yep, "I can hitch my wagon to you, buddy." That's not a positive thing. Not in my opinion. Like, just visualize that, right? "I'm going to hitch my wagon to you. You're pulling my wagon. I'm going to load my wagon up full of stuff off of your hard work. You're going somewhere that I can't go on my own. Okay, my wagon would stay right here. But if I hitch it to you, my wagon goes where you go. Now, I get to benefit off of you." That's how I understand that statement. Tell me if I'm wrong.

All right. I don't want to hear any more from that total tool. Now we're going to go to the end of the day, Charlie Kirk clips, because we're already at the end of the day. Hopefully everybody is here for the part of the show where we get to watch Charlie Kirk. All right. Please don't leave. I don't want to lose anyone real quick. If you guys haven't done so already, please do me a favor and hit the like and the subscribe. Please, we got 3,700 people here. There are 2,400 likes. We can do better than that, please. I appreciate it.

Also, after the video is done, head over to the comment section in the video, write a comment, give a thumbs up, great job, keep it up, whatever you want to say. All right, you could just throw an emoji in there, too. It doesn't even have to be anything. It helps the video and the algorithm get to new people. More people need to see today's interview with Mitch. You can also hype the video for free. You just hit this hype button, and it hypes it. It also helps the video. All right. Let's watch Charlie.

[Girl] ... because she's working on winning an election.

[Charlie] Oh, winning an election. So just tell the voters what they want, right?

[Girl] I think that if you want to win an election, you have to sometimes compromise on the things that you originally believed in. She realized that it was not a productive policy when she was running in 2020, and she didn't get the nomination, so she backstabbed and it's okay for people to change their opinions when they've learned more.

[Charlie] What is her greatest accomplishment?

[Girl] She's had a record number of tiebreaking votes in the Senate of any vice president ever.

[Charlie] What is her greatest legislative accomplishment you point to?

[Girl] I don't have --

[Charlie] But the tiebreaking vote. Tell me one tiebreaking vote.

[Girl] I wish I had this on the top of my head, but I don't. I have another question for you.

[Charlie] No, but I'm curious about her achievements. Of course, parents can abuse their kids, but I do believe in parents rights. Yes. But tell me this. So --

Charlie] No, no, no, no. I'm asking you a question.

[Girl] Nationwide?

[Charlie] Yes. Of course we should ban critical race theory from public funded schools rights.

[Girl] No, that's backwards.

[Charlie] Okay. Do you think that we should teach eugenics --

[Girl] She's being pushed one way or the other because people --

All right, let me go to the next clip here.

[Charlie] Why is it that when Trump was president, you could get an average house for $75,000 combined income a year, now it's $130,000 a year? Why is that?

[Girl 2] So I will say that I don't agree with everything that Kamala Harris stands for, and I'm not that knowledgeable about it. That's why I'm having the debate so I can learn. But I also don't agree with Trump.

[Charlie] On what though?

[Girl 2] I just don't! [cheering] Boo me. Booooooooo!

[Charlie]No, guys, please don't boo. What's your name?

[Talor] Taylor.

[Charlie] Taylor, thank you for coming up. Can you give me two things that you don't agree with Trump on? Or would you like --

Do you see how respectful Charlie was? Other people were booing her, and he wanted her to be able to be heard, for her to feel like she's not going to be heckled and made fun of. He really wanted to debate ideas, not personalities. He was an amazing man.

[Charlie] -- to try to win you over for Trump.

[Taylor] So you're not going to be able to do that, but I appreciate it.

[Charlie] Well then you're not open-minded.

[Taylor] Well, first of all --

[Charlie] if you say that there's nothing you agree --

Yeah. At least keep open the possibility that there might be something that you don't know yet, and that if you heard that information, it might sway your opinion.

[Charlie] ... that says if you come into a country, you're given amnesty -- and you disagree -- if they're doing jobs, there's more reason to kick them out because those jobs should be given to Americans.

[Boy] But the job market is higher now than it has ever been. The stock market is higher now than it has ever.

[Charlie] Hold on. Do you guys think the economy is better or worse?

[Crowd] [INAUDIBLE]

[Charlie] You are living on a cloud, man. Listen to the people of this country. They can't afford things. The job market is awful. The economy is terrible. Stop reading the New York Times and start talking to American voters.

[Crowd] Yeah!!!!!!

[Charlie] Do you understand how insane you sound. The economy is better. People are telling you they can't afford stuff.

[Crowd] [Roars]

[Boy] Inflation is high now because Trump spent more than any president on the debt in a four-year period.

[Charlie] So wait, it's Trump's fault that inflation is high four years later?

[Boy] As you would come to realize at [INAUDIBLE] your role that economies are reactionary forces. It takes time for things to be --

Let's see where we're at, ladies and gentlemen. Okay, I've made it through all the super chats. All right, guys. I think that is everything. God bless you guys so much. I love you guys so much. Stay tuned for tomorrow's show and I love you guys. God bless. Have a good night. Bye.

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EXCLUSIVE: Never Before Seen Rooftop Footage. Plus, The Rookie Cop Who Found the Gun. | Ep 367
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Andrew Kolvet lies about his scheduled meeting at the White House, we have a curious story to tell you about the rookie cop who found Tyler Robinson’s gun, and you know that 4k zoomed in footage that people were telling you about? We’ve been sitting on that for a while. You should be the judge of what you see.



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Chapter 1: Start. All right, you guys. Happy Tuesday. I am sorry that we are running late, but I promise you it is going to be worth the wait.

First and foremost, I always just have to shout out Andrew Kovette because he has got me out here looking like the old woman from the movie The Princess Bride. You guys remember her? Liar. Liar.

Liar. Liar. Andrew Coette. Why must we do these things?

Why do you tell these massive lies? because I was also able to confirm with a White House employee that there certainly was a White House meeting on the books for Andrew Kovette, the chief marketing officer, Marina Minez. Also, I have learned, and this is quite unusual because he does not often travel. Chief operating officer Justin Strife was scheduled to be there and their in-house legal counsel, Frank, ladies and gentlemen, why does Andrew lie so easily?

Why was it necessary to lie in the first place? This meeting scheduled allegedly for the same day slashweek. Maybe I got the wrong day that BB Netanyahu happens to be in town. Is it a coincidence?

It certainly could have been. But a coincidence begins to look and feel like a conspiracy when Andrew Kovette continues to lie so brazenly about everything. Pretends that we just have bad sources. Again, why do you lie?

Um, and I did tell you that I have a source in your inner circle. You don't believe me, but it's true. Anyway, yesterday, uh, I got a tip from someone, like I said, in the White House who corroborated that. Then today they told me the meeting was suddenly cancelled.

And suddenly Andrew Kovett emerges from his 20 silence and says I have no meeting at the White House. Sure doesn't matter because today is not about Andrew. Today is about something much bigger than that. It's about the liars who lie about everything.

Which of course includes Andrew Kovette and various people that are associated with Turning Point USA. Uh we have a curious story to tell you about the rookie cop who found Tyler Robinson's gun. That's uh very interesting and finally we're ready to tell the story of how that came about. And you know that 4K zoomed in footage that people were going all crazy and feeling overwhelmed and passing away and falling out in the streets like they had early CO over.

Well, we've actually been sitting on that for a while and we're going to let you be the judge of what you see and whether you also feel overwhelmed in the same direction. Welcome back to Candace. Chapter 2: Never before seen footage. You know, I have a few questions that just sort of linger in the back of my mind.

One this morning that I came up with, I was going, you know, for 33 hours, 33 to be exact, 33, 33, 33, there was this manhunt for Charlie Kirk's alleged killers. And the feds during this manhunt released chose to release an extremely blurry still image of a man in a stairwell. It was very blurry. Why?

Why didn't they release the much clearer footage that we eventually saw in court? They had access to that. They didn't say that they needed to do anything to bring that footage up. Why release something grainy if you can release something clearer?

Why reduce the quality? Again, that seems to be a theme that they're just intentionally degrading the quality of footage. And the question is why? Who does that ultimately help?

And another question that's on my mind this morning is why was Zachariah Kareshi initially arrested by local police and feds and then he was released. That seems like quite a big mistake for them to have made. What did they see? What was captured on camera or otherwise?

What evidence did they have? Maybe it was a scent the dog was chasing. I don't know that the local police decided to go to Zachariah Kareshi's apartment in Provo, whereupon he was then brought in and interrogated by the feds and then released. Are we common sense people supposed to believe that that was just bad luck?

There was only two people that were detained. The first was George Zinn. We know why. Obviously, he said, "I did it.

It's a good reason to detain someone. I did it. I did it. " The second was Zachariah Koreshi.

And they just let it go. They let the error go. We got no explanation. I think we deserve one.

And of all the people they happen to select, this kid who has got a father who is a career military man who owns and operates a military app tied to operations, tied to Fort Wuka, got a bunch of money from the DoD. I'd just like to know more about that. How was that mistake made? That'd be great if we could follow up on it.

Anyway, speaking of military men, last week we played for you exclusive audio from the only person who managed to capture footage of the alleged gunman on Losi Center rooftop before the sound of the shot goes off. Right. He recorded the individual on his iPhone. He then reported what he saw to police dutifully.

And he was very clear. He said that the person looked to him like it was a professional. Remember that? He said a person with some sort of military tech tactical training seemed to be dressed in uh tactical wear particularly.

He referenced this military crawl that stood out to him as something that requires military training. Okay. And he would know. He would know.

Strangely, they didn't contact him. They weren't curious for him to testify. The prosecution wasn't interested. Uh the defense I guess at this stage was preliminary hearing was not interested and also we never saw any of that sort of footage in court.

You're saying he did some military crawl. How's that possible? How's possible that we didn't see that? Oh, I know how it's possible 6 minutesbecause we're dealing with the feds.

No worries. We can't rely on the feds. We got that to tell us the truth. And of course, if they did capture him doing that, that wouldn't exactly help their narrative, right?

Tyler is supposed to be some scrub kid who woke up one day actually kind of a academic genius and just had to take the shot for his lover even though they never discussed politics and they never discussed Charlie Kirk um in particular and they never discussed LGBTQ issues. " But I also told you this early on. I said there are good people in government. There are good people who work all across the local police precincts in Utah.

Good people in our federal investigation and in our federal bureaus who participated in this investigation initially who answered the call, who responded on September 10th. There is in fact an underground movement for Charlie that has been built over these last 10 months and it is how we have been able to release so much information to get so much exclusive information, exclusive footage, exclusive photos to help us string together what actually did take place on that day. And there was something in particular that I will tell you that I've been holding on to since October. In part because I needed to protect my government sources.

Obviously, they are in governments. It is risky for them to be communicating with me at all. But more importantly because I needed to see who the liars are who lie about everything. Have to wait.

I have to see. I didn't know who to trust. I was also grieving and I was told that at the preliminary hearing they would be forthcoming about anything and everything that they had. Was told that actually by Erica.

Um and I just kept thinking to myself a military crawl on a rooftop would be very relevant, right? Told you that's back even when I first had that conversation with my source. " I thought, "Well, they obviously can't keep that from the public. They can't just keep gaslighting the public about that information.

Well, we have certainly something to show you. Now, before we get into the video, let me just show you where it starts out. Let's just consider where we're at in the narrative. We are told that someone who was wearing skinny jeans, right, decided to essentially cripwalk on the gun onto Velozi rooftop.

Okay. Sounds made up given the jeans that he was wearing, but let's just take that at fed face value. Fed value. Okay, here are the jeans he's wearing.

Uh Tyler's 510. The gun is minimum 3'6 in fully assembled. We can see his phone in his right pocket. It doesn't doesn't pass the sniff test, right?

That should come up past Tyler's 510 belly uh in theory. It's not what I'm seeing, but I digress. Let's just jump back into the narrative as it's been spun to us because then we know he gets onto the rooftop. And I just am wondering now, how does the gun get out of his skinny jeans at that point?

Anybody? Right. Skinny skinny jeans are designed so that the bottom of the jeans are tight, skinnier by the ankle. Did he wiggle it out of the bottom or did he pull down his pants real quick on the rooftop and get it out this way?

We don't know. But what we do know is that once he hits that rooftop, he is suddenly able to sprint and this limp that he has in the footage is completely removed. So let's watch that. Okay.

Now, what happens next is exactly as my source stipulated. Our our rooftop guy begins a tactical crawl. It's actually known in the military as a lateral crawl. Let's watch that.

There he goes. And I actually do want to show you a side by side so you can actually see a real military man do that um um alongside this person on the rooftop. Let's bring in that side by side clip. Here we go.

That general action right there is known as a lateral crawl. Now, you may have noticed if you're just looking at your eyes some sort of a flash that just took place, right? We're going to show you that slow down and just kind of discuss this. It it we've gone back and forth here.

What is that? Is he pulling something out? Is it like a signal mirror? Is it a flag?

Uh was it already on Loy Center? Is it actually something that's in the background that's just catching weird? Is it a car? Uh and we're just thinking that we see this flash.

But we're just going to show you that so that it's clear. A back and forth flash there while he's military crawling. Here we go. there.

And we're running that back and forth there. Okay. So, you now have that. Next up, what you are going to see is that it's going to look as though as he gets into position and completes this lateral crawl that he thrusts something forward in a way that my brain told me it looked like he was unfolding a gun.

Truly, that's what my brain told me. Maybe it's because I had this guy and I'm talking about how a full they are. I don't know. But that's it's not definitive.

I'm just that's me narrating. I'm happy for people to disagree and debate what is seen. Uh but let's just watch that portion here. There we go.

Something forward. And we can watch that again. Something forward again. But more importantly than what we see here is what we're not going to see here.

So remember, this is supposed to be a German 98 Mouser family heirloom gun uh used during World War I and World War II. That'll effectively take your shoulder out when it's fired. " And if you're looking through a scope, as he allegedly was, you might even expect a black eye. You you will recall that the guy who recorded the footage specifically said, told us that he saw no recoil.

That's pretty crucial. He just saw the guy get up and run. And that would be, I would argue, were a lawyer in court, that would be impossible for this specific naked naked model of gun. So, let's watch and see if we with our eyes can observe some sort of a kickback.

And again, I have to apologize. I I this is not like Benny Johnson 4K footage, but it's at least clear enough here on your screen that you would be able to discern a strong kickback on a gun from somebody who's just laying down taking a shot. So, I'm going to let this run. It's about .

Um, and you just let me know if at any point you see that before he gets up and breaks into a sprint. Take a look. There you go. That's that unfolding again.

And by the way, if you are listening to this on audio, this is one of these episodes that you actually do have to go watch. So, you will have to pivot over to YouTube, to Spotify, um somewhere that provides the video because this is not something that we could just produce on an audio podcast here, unfortunately. Um but this is going to run. We did have to obviously zoom in and push out those um fed timestamps, but see here have 10 more seconds here.

Okay, he is up. Anybody? Anybody see a recoil? I didn't see one, but let's let's actually put that footage all together uninterrupted.

Here we go for you guys to watch. 15 minutesHe comes running onto the rooftop. What we know definitively is he gets down into what is known as a lateral military crawl. Begins that crawl over to the right first and then to the left we see a quick flash.

We are not sure what that flash is. Um actually this looks like Oh, I'm not going to read into it. There's that throw forward. I say fold forward.

You can say throw forward, but that's definitely something being flung forward, getting into position. And here we wait for what we expect to be some sort of a kickback. This is must have been when our source began recording from the side of a Losi building and said, "Oh, I just saw 16 minutessomeone get up there. " And he's up and he's gone.

What do you guys think? I should just jump into this chat and see. What do you guys What did you Where are my gun experts? What do you guys think?

Something feels not right. Something doesn't feel right. That feels to me like what the witness said that that person looks like they've got training. I'm It's not giving Tyler Robinson to me, but what do I know?

I'm not I'm not an expert. Like, that just feels And then you're he's gonna jump off of the rooftop like Spider-Man uninjured and he's going to he's going to run off and he's just going to be hungry, more hungry beyond like like did Chick-fil-A do that. What did he order at Chick-fil-A? Chapter 3: Who found the gun.

You guys let me know what you think. But we're not done. As I told you guys a while ago about this non-smoking gun. Let's revisit what I told you.

This non-smoking gun, by the way, which as we saw in the preliminary hearing, it had dust in the barrel indicating non-usage, which featured Tyler Robinson's fingerprints, which if you need reminding were described as the most degraded prints per the ATF testimony, among all the prints, his were the most degraded amongst five other sets of prints on this gun. How is that possible? How is that possible unless somebody planted his gun? Now, we told you the story of how this gun was located.

And I do want to clarify it because I think there's been some confusion online. " And we can see that bomb dogs were there. Let me let me clarify what um I said in the beginning. Dogs, there were bomb dogs that were bought.

There were canines that were bought. Then there's just like the K9 unit which has bomb dogs and you don't know what level of training certain dogs have. The dogs that that were brought to Losi center, right, where the person jumped off were given a scent, a scent to go chase. " Now they were allowed to run a muck near the amphitheater looking for Candace.

But of course, if that person wasn't down there, that's a wild goose chase. That's a wild goose chase. And these are unbelievably trained dogs. " It's like that's these these dogs were sent to go chase a scent.

Now, I told you that the other dog, uh, there were other actually two dogs were actually looking for explosives. They are the ones that went near the field where the gun was actually found and came up empty. and until until these uh rookie officers, the feds get there and they tell the rookie officers to have another search and lo and behold, the rookie officers find the gun that bomb dog's name. So, I believe low-key people found online.

Loki, who was near the amphitheater, was given the scent. That bomb dog who was not given a scent and was searching the field. I am told that is Freya. That's her name.

I like these Nordic names. You got Loki and then you've got Freya up by the field. Uh Freya was the bomb dog. I am told that she's the one who had a broken nose that day.

It just wasn't working. And that's lucky for Tyler Robinson because didn't he totally and legitimately just happen to text that that was one of his concerns for Lance? Actually, it was one of his hopes to Lance. The text is really amazing.

We should read it. Um Tyler Robinson wrote, "When I checked the area about ago, there was an officer with a canine walking nearby the area. I'm hoping that pooch has a bad sniffer. That's what the Gen Z kids are saying that day.

Hoping the pooches have bad sniffers. Sounds like someone's new to the English language, but this is Tyler's very formal. And yeah, it turns out Freya the bomb. Lucky him was the pooch who had a bad sniffer.

Actually, let me say allegedly here because we know with my luck, I'll be the first person to be sued first by by a sitting president of a foreign nation and then like a literal female dog at the same time. " And Trump will root the lawsuit on on Truth Social. I hope Freya bankrupts you. Real America First stuff, Trump.

But I digress. Back to our storyline. Freya just allegedly could not sniff this recently fired weapon out in the field. And so the feds got there and one of the feds instructed these two rookie cops who literally were brand new and said just go look again where Freya had failed.

And lo and behold, a gun, a gun. 21 minutesWho were those rookie cops? Might be relevant. I've been given two names.

I've had these names for a long time. Um, and one of them had only just graduated from UVU. I'm not kidding. Talk about beginner's luck.

I'm told Mitchell Curtis of Pleasant Grove Police, 2025 graduate, very young buck. He finds this gun in UVU's backyard. He deserves a promotion. But you know, the most interesting thing about Mitchell Curtis is not actually his background.

It's his father's. Because I was told his dad's a fed. I said, "What? No way.

uh what are the chances? And it was really actually challenging to determine who his father was, but by golly, we were able to do it thanks to the help of some sleuths. His father's name is Foster Curtis. Foster lives in Virginia.

Foster spent 21 years with NCIS, starting as a special agent and working his way up the ladder, ending up as the division chief in the Office of Inspector General. Now, in case you don't know what NCIS is, yes, it's like the TV show. It's like the TV show. It stands for the Naval Criminal Investigative Services.

NCIS agents are armed federal law enforcement investigators who frequently coordinate with other US government agencies. They have a presence in more than 41 countries and on US Navy vessels. Big big deal. One half of their personnel are civilians.

They are tasked primarily uh the NCAS with investigating major criminal activities that involve the Navy and the Marine Corps. So, for example, let's say hypothetically speaking, you thought there was an assassination which may have been plotted in, planned, and executed by our military. This would be the office that would be in charge of that investigation. 21 years Foster chief at the top.

Then this strange thing happened on June 2nd, 2025. Foster Curtis after 21 years decided to leave his position as a division chief and to be Richmond, Virginia's interim inspector general. So he goes local after a long federal career. He goes local.

Richmond, Virginia just fires the inspector general who was there, James Osuna, who had been that in that position for 6 years. It was actually very controversial. They didn't understand why this was happening. Again, this is in June 2025.

A local news was going, "Why? What? " Unusually, the um the local news noted, "This is unusual. " So, remarkably, guys, we can, you know, that spreadsheet, the tree of brand new 24 minutesthat just keeps growing.

We can now add Mitch and Foster. Foster, his dad being the first one that we can say the demotion was brand new. 21 solid years working for the feds and then you just get this like I would say it's a demotion like I mean you kind of want to work for the I mean I imagine the pay is better for federal government and but couple of months later his son finds this gun. It's just it's incredible.

Um it's just it's all just so amazing how many new faces we had so many things that were changed um people brought in in Utah and the luck of all of these new people u biggest assassination since JFK. So you know just I guess congratulations are in order um to the rookie cop and everybody involved. Yeah. Anyway, we should take a brief break before I tell you something else that kind of surprised me about the NCIS.

Chapter 4: The Secretary of Navy and his Epstein connection. people in the comments noting like did they didn't see a muzzle flash.

They didn't see a kickback. I don't know. I don't know what to say. I don't know guns.

I don't know guns like these other people. But this everything everything was just a little different. And um I don't know. That's the fed slop narrative.

I don't know. You should feel overwhelmed by the evidence that Tyler Robinson did this. Are you or is everybody okay? I I'm just expecting people right now to just be submerged and going, "Oh, this is definitely Tyler Robinson.

We're just going to have to learn also where he learned military tactical moves and just what he ordered at Chick-fil-A. That will haunt me for the rest of my I think it was their spicy chicken sandwich. I like the spicy chicken. I don't Something turned him into that.

Now, back to the NCIS because I got to be honest, I was thinking in my head like, wow, these people Yeah, I guess that's why it probably has this very popular long-running show. It's pretty powerful investigative unit, federal unit. I didn't realize they were present in that many countries. They had used plainclo civilians.

I wasn't sure actually who the NCIS reports to directly. I'm thinking is it like Pete Hegsth? I look it up and it's actually uh well the Secretary of Navy. So, I was wondering uh in 2025 when this was going on, who was the Secretary of the Navy?

And it turns out that Trump appointed a guy with literally zero military experience into that position. Crucial position, the Secretary of the Navy, having zero military background or experience is just audits face wild. So, he appoints this guy John C. felon failen and his whole background is in banking.

Um Goldman Sachs, Mel Lynch, then runs his own his own shop. And I'm just confused like why would Trump do this? What qualifies saying? Well, it's Trump.

He likes money, right? So, John, he's extraordinarily wealthy on top of everything. But also, crucially, he helped Trump raise a ton of money ahead of his second term by hosting this private fundraiser for Trump in Aspen, which featured billionaire guests like Steve Win in attendance. They all sort of cut Trump these big checks.

So, this is sort of how DC works, right? You get me into office and when I get into office, I'm going to do you a solid and appoint you into a position which people at the time said he's not qualified for. Anyway, I just was kind of going through his Wikipedia, so no deep research here by any means. And but I did see it just jumped out at me was this bizarre subtab regarding Jeffrey Epsteine.

I kid you not. I kid you not. I can't I got to shave my head. Like I I just I'm I'm I'm feeling like Britney 2007.

This just it can't always just be like this random Epstein thing. Anyways, let's pull it up together because I can't make this stuff up, right? And here's what it tells us. Hopefully I can read this.

My vision always gets super bad when I'm pregnant. Gets worse as I get pregnant. But like you can see that tab. Relationship with Jeffrey Epste.

Just a tab I never want. I'm on Wikipedia. You guys say a lot of mean stuff about me, but thank you. Like you can miss me with this tab.

So, it says uh passenger manifests that were released as part of the Epstein files indicate that Failen flew twice on the plane of Jeffrey Epstein several months before Epstein's first arrest on sex charges. The first flight took place on September on February 27th, 2006 from New York's JFK International Airport to London's Luton Airport. The manifest for the second flight from London to New York on March 3rd, 2006, indicates that Balin flew with 12 other passengers, including Epstein, modeling agent, and Epstein associate Jean Luke Brunell. Ah, France, you haunt me.

And six peoples whose names are redacted on the version of the manifest that was released in October 2025 by the United States House Committee, the one that Trump fought not to have released. John Luke Brunell, if that jogging memory, he's the second one who probably didn't kill himself, but did end up hung in a prison. His French disgusting uh partner who Jeffrey Epstein invested in his modeling business. And Jean Lupernell like sent Jeffrey Epstein, I think is it 8-year-old triplets for his birthday?

Maybe they were 10 years old triplets for his birthday. I mean, really disgusting stuff. And I had told you this John Luke Bernell character also happened to start um be one of the founders of that firm that was run by Faith Kates that the people who worked for Faith Kates. Remember Erica?

Remember Erica Kirk? Well, Erica Fronfay with the suits involved with the suits they allege managing modeling apartments. We went out to Erica for comment. something that I would instantly want to remove myself from and say no that's absolutely not true.

They are certain it is true. Uh and we got nothing. We got nothing. John Lernell just I just I don't know.

I just feel like this keeps happening. It just feels to me like this keeps happening. When we look at the state of things in America right now, we know that everything that went sideways with Trump went sideways after he looked us in the eye and pretended the Epstein files were nothing. Uh, are we still talking about the Epstein files?

He thought himself a king that could just mandate us to forget it. That was obviously the day that I made it clear I was done. I don't even I am not meeting you halfway. not when it comes to allegations and proven um instances of pedophilia and the fight to push out Thomas Massie.

" Like children are being harmed. We have people who are promoting and celebrating people who harm children, protecting people who harm children. We have BBNet and Yahoo in DC right now. And it sickens me.

It actually sickens me. And this is a perfect time to discuss the reason that the Iranian Chapter 5: Iran's new lego propaganda video. propaganda, I don't know if propaganda means it's untrue or just that they're propagating their vision, because it certainly is not untrue, has been going viral. These Lego videos, you've seen the Lego videos on X, you've seen them on Instagram.

People are sharing them. And there's a reason why these videos are resonating with Americans because we feel like we have lost our country so that Trump can protect the elites, particularly Israel, particularly Jeffrey Epstein and his entire network. It seems Trump has completely abandoned and forgotten the American people so long as he can protect the Epstein network. And by any objective metric, these videos that they are creating are fantastic depictions of how people feel.

It reminds me of when Trump had an artist that was making uh um paintings about the forgotten American. They tapped into how Americans were feeling in the flyover states. the reason why people put Trump into office, the reason why I backed Trump, somebody who of course people we we always know he had been bombastic, but we thought, oh, it's going to take somebody who's bombastic and somebody who is not institutional, somebody who's on the outside um to stand up and call these things out. Who is Trump now?

What is Trump now? What is the Trump family now? no interest in in in the Charlie Kirk assassination. Why is that?

Why is that? I'd like a com Don Trump Jr. actually has been heading into the courthouse with Erica. He knows guns.

I would love a comment from him on that video. What do you think? German Mouser 98. No flash, no kickback.

What do you think, Don? Did you see video in 4K? Did you see that video in 4K? The reason why these videos are going viral is because they, like I said, contain this kernel of truth.

And that is when art works, so to speak. " And also on its face, it appears like what we've stumbled upon is a global trafficking ring which spans all across the West. What I've hit on in my Breit Mcronone series, I've been hitting on this talking about Epstein and MK Ultra. It's like all of this kind of seems to be converging and the people are waking up and this slop that they're trying to feed us, go to war, Iran bad, Israel good, isn't working.

There was an organic response to these Lego videos because of how we feel left and right. They're even trying to the 36 minutesleft and this the right. We're not even taking that slop anymore. So, they dropped another video last night and I thought it couldn't be more timely and I'm actually going to just let you guys watch this full screen.

Um, the Lego video dropped by Iran. Take a look at this. Your empire is done. [music] You started a war.

You thought you would win. Uh-huh. Now look at the mess that your country is in. Look at it.

Your general's crying. Your plan was a bust. The promises [music] made turning to dust. Marco Rubio was sweating on the floor.

They as you wasted on war. You lied from day one. You capping a lot. But look at the street.

Yeah, we got it on lock down. Begging for mercy. You're [music] peaceing. You sure?

You're losing the straight. [music] You're losing the state. And now the whole public is drowning in hate. You told Epstein.

[snorts] Now listen to the crowd. Epste. [music] [music] You lied about Iran. Said Navy is gone.

You promised regime change from darkness to dawn. Dreaming your beautiful B2 were flying so high, still shaking [music] inside. You're about to cry. You stood on the stage looking [music] completely detached.

[singing] I don't care about voters as cash. Did he really say that? Yeah, he did. You care about [music] luxury while Americanamilies starve on the streets.

Inflation is peing. Economy's dead, but you worry about Israel. [music] Instead, the corruption is deep. A buying the state.

Every politician's got a price on their plate. You're all just puppets dancing for funs. Iran is standing and holding the guns. You're losing the strength.

[music] You're losing the state. And now the whole public is drowning in hate. You told Stop talking about Epstein. Now listen to the crowd.

Epste. [music] You called yourself a king, but you're just a DJ queen. [music] The [singing] biggest disaster the White House has seen. Your empire [music] is done.

[music] The war is [music] stuck in my head all day. Watched it like 12 times. Epstein, Epstein, Epstein. Louder.

It's like that was it. They were just you're not allowed to talk about Epstein. And I'm like, "No, Epstein. " And evil has been plotting for a very long time.

And we've all been asleep. We've all been playing the games. We are all guilty of this. We are all guilty, left and right, of falling for the slop.

And that was the test with the Tyler Robinson case. Immediately the left did this. It was about transgenderism. Look at the last question.

That was as that was it. Charlie was targeted because of his views on transgenderism. No evidence. Just don't look deeper than that.

Accept this. They murdered Charlie and then also being interjected with the Christian slop. Grieving widow pastors and ripped jeans telling you about what's demonic. Like a military operation, a military scop these mega pastors.

We start looking into that. Wow. How many of them have been like reformed pedos? We did that episode looking at the Calvary Chapel church in particular.

You remember a while ago? What is this? Why are they all so gungho about Israel? All of them.

That's what it is. Sweet nothings. Stay dumb. Keep getting poisoned.

Don't you love Trump? You Oh, you you're betraying Trump. You're betraying Charlie by looking into this further. You know, this is what this is what Charlie would want.

My Charlie. My Charlie. My Charlie. Yeah.

Well, we're awake now and there's there is too many of us. There's too many of us and we're all back channeling and sharing information. So, it's like a game of whack-a-ole now. And I do believe Charlie found out something when he looked into his organization and wanted to know where the money was coming from and where it was going to established a Doge audit, which well, the new leader of Turning Point USA obviously canled.

She feels good about it. Yeah, not interested. Not as as interested or maybe does honestly doesn't obviously possess the intellect that Charlie possessed. What did Charlie find out in his last days?

I don't know that we'll find out. I think maybe we will. Anyway, uh last thing I wanted to show you this was because uh one of you guys in the comment yesterday Chapter 6: Comments. commented when I was saying I never know what Erica is saying.

It's like watching the Camala campaign. It's just going in circles. One of you guys wrote this comment. Um, my favorite quote from Erica is when she tells us to be a table.

" And sure enough, we were able to find the clip where she tells people to be a table. It's very funny. Take a look at this. That means when you're tableabling, if your table keeps getting destroyed, become a roving table yourself and go talk to people.

Go sit with people at lunch you don't normally sit with. Be creative with the ways that you are a chapter leader because you are a leader. You are not a follower. [laughter] Be a roving table, I guess, or whatever.

We got to start catching these like we used to do with Camala stuff of just what did she just say? Cuz it's just fun. All right, you guys. We'll be right back after a brief break.

All right, top comment from yesterday's episode. MHS writes, "They all clench their cheeks at the sound of,"All right, you guys. I have no idea why I say that. I do.

It just like that's my comfort statement. " And let me be very clear. Today is a beginning. Today is a beginning because now we see where everybody's at, where everybody landed, and it's time to go hard.

There's a lot more, guys. There is a lot more. And like I said, um we're all coordinating in the background to make sure we all have the information that we need in the event these people grow more evil in their strategies. And we also have um but there always has been there's always been good guys in government and there's very evil people.

But I think even for people who are on the fence, the public assassination of Charlie Kirk moved them into the right direction and they're becoming more and more and more brave people in government. " Yes, that's probably where we are headed. It is dark humor, but on point. Show me 20.

I show 2025. Not that one. Show me one from from the last 24 months. I show not that one.

2018, 2019. What? Pick a year. Any year.

Evidence of friendship. Now we're in July. Apparently July, Charlie was not happy with me. That's what Andrew says.

And I don't doubt it. He wouldn't have done it. It's so true. Charlie would not have revealed the private conversation with Trump asking me to stop speaking about Breijit.

That's a fact, actually. So point to Andrew. From today's episode, Karen Jane Child writes, "Look into Mormon road shows and their links between theater productions and those accused of being in the Mormon Mafia and SR and MK Ultra. Mormons are very talented at outings on shows.

I know nothing about that. I will uh see if I can find some time to look into that. " Mormon road shows. Lamar Poor writes, "Their insanity is they shouldn't be messing with a rested battle bun pregnant Candace.

Let them lie. Let them pull their tantrums. the bigger they are, the harder they fall. Just remember, Christ gave you an army that has your back.

Um, you are so correct and it it is it just feels like the army of truth is rising and it's been amazing to see people who Charlie didn't know uh make it their full-time job to figure out what happened here. Dedicating, I mean, the time, the resources, going on the ground, getting information, uh, passing around information, creating entire websites. Ian Carol put together um an entire website. I mean, there are so many things that you can look at and say that it has been a positive.

And the greatest thing is no one would have thought, least of all, Charlie, that this would like something would bring the left and the right together because we were all just sort of in our own pockets. I'm a conservative. You're a liberal. We can't help each other.

And now we realize there's a way greater evil that we need to be focusing on. Becca writes, "It's possible that along with the eene amount of gauze that was shoved into Charlie to stop the bleeding, that bullet fragments were also shoved in, hence why they don't match a 306 or Tyler's bullets. " Look, all things are possible. I would say that if you were going to do that, you could just have the medical examiner say she took something out somewhere.

That'd be easier than having to actually place them. and uh uh that that would be the preferred route if you're going to be that corrupt. And we do know that there was a fed overseeing the autopsy. That's part of the problem.

The feds were involved way too early. Every police division that I've spoken to said that the feds were sending everybody on wild goose hunts and telling them to look in buildings and SWAT team looking in buildings that had nothing to do with anything. Like just go search over here and marshals being sent places that had nothing to do with anything. dogs being sent to Chase Sense that had nothing to do with anything.

Um, yeah, this but I guess that's just Cash Patel's DOJ or whatever. Britney Bicks writes, "The fact that the same people who asked Charlie to ask you to stop talking about Breijit are calling you nuts for talking about his murder is nothing short of hysterical. " That's exactly right. I mean, if I was passionate about this story in France because of the obvious corruption at the top of people colluding to hide the story and uh using the force of the feds in France to go after journalists who are just telling the truth.

Imagine my passion for this story, thinking in my head that this could have actually been me. I did tours. I had a contract with Charlie. You you understand how this impacts to to see somebody build something and to be so trusting and to then realize that so many elements of his life were a lie and then to realize elements of my life and my beginning in politics was a lie as well.

Yeah, that's going to drive someone to be extraordinarily passionate and it is of course not something that we're going to move on from because you call me nuts. I don't care about your memes. I don't care you keep pretending that we present no evidence. It doesn't matter how much evidence we we actually had a graphic for how much evidence we and stories that we exclusively broke about this.

And no matter how much we have, they all say the same thing. She's just tell talking about her dreams. Well, thank you guys for hanging on this podcast. What I mean, how many live viewers do we have right now that just are here?

Apparently, I'm just telling you my dreams every night. Like [laughter] I mean, and they the bigger the audience gets, they should realize that that propaganda falls because people know they're watching the show for a reason because we have put so much work into this. And we don't do this because we need credit for doing work. Um we do this because God gave us this platform and if we can pull together um tips and if people in government trust us with this sort of information because they're watching how we've done this and then what what a what a great honor.

What a great honor to be able to serve truth. What a great honor to be able to serve Christ. I got to deal with like pastors on stage in Sundays in a whipped jeans calling me crazy. Like cool don't care.

You have no power. Get out of here. We don't recognize you. Like who do you ordain yourself?

Like I mean I'm just a pastor. I'm very cool, very hip. Kids listen to me. Thumb's grace writes.

Thank you Candace. We love you. I love you guys too. Uh this person writes, "I live for the day.

" I told you I met Brad very many moons ago with Charlie Kirk who I didn't know. Apparently I wasn't friends with but I did meet him many moons ago. And uh we had a Brad and I had a friendly relationship. Um you know, obviously just being in politics or whatever, but he was definitely a very confident person and you know, definitely came off as brash.

Didn't believe that I was going to be anything. I will say that. Uh but was nice anyway. " You know what's interesting about that?

I can't wait until we find out who the Turning Point employee was who is going to testify and say that Tyler Robinson came up to him or her. uh because that's going to be interesting. I'll leave it at that. I will leave it at that.

I always wait for them to give information before I give information. And I have a hunch about who that employee is going to be. I hope my hunch is correct because I will have a very interesting episode for you guys. As always, Jacob Morrison writes, "I think when we saw um that flash, that was a signal that he was in position and there is no way he has enough time to adjust his sights.

Also, people have anxiety shooting deer. There is none of this. " Sure did look like a professional. I will say that.

So, I somebody who would at the very least, if he's just a hunter, have a ton of trophies to show for it. He'd have antlers. He'd have maybe some buffalo from Africa. I don't know.

He'd have just a lot going on there to show that he was that skilled because I would say my husband's a darn good hunter. He's a very good hunter. And I've only gone hunting with him once in Africa and he's not taken that shot that fast. Nor have I ever seen him do that tactical move in particular.

So anyways, but what do I know? What do I know? were just um you know on the internet dreaming or whatever. I think I got all I got all of these messages.

Um nope. Ali writes, "JFK was murdered over 60 years ago and there are still so many unanswered questions. So why are they so mad at people for asking questions and speculating about the possibilities? " Yes, of course.

That's why they launched Operation Mockingbird then and why they launched it again this time. Same exact reason. That's what these influencers are. That's Operation Mockingbird.

You can't just all say the same word, the same um adjective to describe the state that you are in. You are not all just like overwhelmed with evidence. You're not all subbured with evidence. That's like be a person, be an individual.

This is what fails. That used to work because everything was so new. You know, JFK was the TV president, so to speak, was as technology was shifting. Good-looking president.

And so that sort of um of a psychological operation was new upon the people, not something that they could process. This is no longer new. It's actually ironic because it was Trump that initially fractured our trust in the mainstream media. And it is for that reason that we can spot this.

Even though it's now reemerged and they're not the mainstream media, they're independent creators that are [snorts] clearly all part of these influencable campaigns, all saying the same words and the same sentences meant to attack us psychologically. Do you go just submit and you just say that you see the thing that's not there? a literal CIA experiment, by the way, that had took place. So, they um I'm mixing what fruits they had up, but they had one person who was not in on it.

" They only wanted to see what that last person would say. So, it's clearly a banana, but they're all going apple. Apple, apple, apple, apple, apple, apple, apple, apple, apple, apple, apple apple, apple apple. They get to that last person and guess what he says?

" [laughter] Even though it's actually a banana. That's what they're trying to do right now. This experiment. It's overwhelming.

It's overwhelming. It's overwhelming. " Nah, good. Actually, I see a banana every single time.

I just I see the banana. Must be something wrong with me or something wrong with you. Anyway, we have merch available on our website. It's the easiest way to support us uh and to keep us independent, not joining these influentible campaigns.

Um we are truly an independent show. I'm just so proud of that. I really am. And we have tons of good swag for you.

Of course, the CIA crew neck, Canada intelligent agency is how we got here. That's a classic. I'd get that in t-shirt, sweatshirt form. Buy it for your friends.

Buy it for your wife. Buy it for your husband. Sit down. Uh, see how you can help.

Everybody is an expert at something. That's how we've been able to pull so many things together. Like I said, Monday we talk about the 911 call. Tuesday we're talking about this.

And we have a lot more. We just have a lot more, you guys. So stay tuned because the truth is inevitable. We'll see you guys tomorrow.

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A Strange Thing Happened At Charlie’s Funeral... Plus, A Shocking Medical Examiner Report. | Ep 368
Candace Owens
Streamed live 6 hours ago Candace Owens

The internet has a meltdown after the exclusive video we released yesterday, the prosecution's new filing highlights some injures to Charlie’s heart and lungs, and something quite interesting happened at Charlie's funeral...



Transcript

All right, you guys. Happy Wednesday. I hope you're having a good one. And what can we say after yesterday other than stating definitively that this little clip did not age well at all?

Do you believe that Tyler Robinson murdered your husband? Yes, I do. Never understood that confidence, that conviction after I sat down with her. There was no evidence which indicated that.

Now we are all the way at the preliminary hearing. I still don't understand that confidence and just I think the internet is with me on this one. Internet I can say definitively especially after the exclusive video that we released yesterday has a lot of questions. It was an incredible by very fun time on X.

Very fun time to listen to all of the people the mocking birds attempt to explain away what we can plainly see with our eyes or what we plainly do not see with our own eyes. It's just something to behold. They think they can do it. Well, there's a lot to discuss today because yesterday also [laughter] the big thing happened.

The prosecution filed a memorandum and in the memorandum, actually, I'm sorry, Tyler's defense filed a memorandum. They highlighted some injuries that Charlie had in his autopsy. Charlie's heart and his lungs hemorrhaged after a bullet hit him in the neck. And so, people online are asking a lot of questions about those injuries.

And of course, everyone is going to draw different answers and conclusions. But first, I want to discuss a most important question. Whether or not Charlie Kirk is buried because an interesting thing happened apparently in those days where we saw Erica after we saw Erica leaning into his casket. So, welcome back to Candace.

[music] There was a lot of what the kids are calling copium online yesterday. As expected, the Candace never has any evidence crowd. She is just dreaming. Oh, she's just up on her show every day pretending to dream.

They were not having a good evening on social media after our episode. I always love that moment, by the way, when you surprise the flock of mocking birds. So, they kind of struggle to get their talking points in order. They're looking at each other like, "What are we supposed to be saying here?

" They have no real thoughts of their own, right? So, they're just awaiting on their next instructions. And sometimes whoever it is that is instructing them doesn't have them prepared. And in that time frame, in that precious little time frame, that's when they just start to fill the air with general upset and stupidity.

They try to attack reality. It's It's really, like I said, something to behold. They're like literal lost sheep, but they're usually pretty angry, which is why some of them just straight up wanted me arrested. I'm not kidding.

This person tweeted, "Uh, if Candace is not charged for obstruction of jury tampering after releasing footage of allegedly Tyler Robinson killing Charlie to our audience today, a judge graph demanded not be shown. She is part of the two-tiered justice system. I'm not going to post it, but the defense argued it not be shown to the public so that Tyler Robinson gets a fair trial. Well, Candace just released it.

I don't know how, but people need to go to jail. This is backed up by a account called Lisa Knows. She wrote, "Canis has just released footage the judge ordered not to be shown to the public. She's already doxed a witness for the prosecution.

When is she going to be charged with obstruction? This is completely out of hand. She's doing everything she can to destroy this trial. " I love the idea that I'm obstructing justice, but they are bringing literal influencers to court and lying.

Influencer influencers are going out and lying about what they see inside the courtroom. And of course, that was pretty swiftly community noted charging me with obstruction of justice. Uh the community note reads, "Canis released independently obtained lossy rooftop footage. Court limits on broadcasting exhibits applied to courtroom media, not third-party commentators.

Legal standard for obstruction of justice requires corrupt intent to impede proceedings. I am not trying to impede proceedings. I'm trying to help them along. This is just what happened.

I'm not hiding anything. I'm saying share more. Daylight is the best disinfectant. Now, you might be wondering what did Turning Point USA say, right?

That's a This is That was a pretty big drop yesterday. What about the ever wise and strategic spokesperson of Turning Point USA, Andrew Kovat? In case you're thinking, "Well, Andrew Kovette probably did the thing that we would expect him to do. " People are obviously looking in their eyes are going, "This person looks trained.

This person does look tactical. The speed at which he gets down, and you're alleging he fired a shot, that can't be some rookie. Surely Andrew Kovette is going to share something uh and demand a more thorough investigation. Say thank you Candace.

Demand more questions are answered regarding what happened on September 10th. How Charlie Kirk died. Charlie Kirk, the very man who he owes his entire career and public presence to. But you'd be wrong if you thought that because here is what Andrew Kulvette responded with a few tweets back to back.

It is a uh person calling my eyes teleprompter eyes, I guess. And Andrew has a list here of words, a list of words that I have mispronounced. Ah. Oh, okay.

That's what he's doing. m. after our episode concludes, he's got a list of words that I've mispronounced across 367 plus hours of live podcasting. Here's my list I'm keeping to mock you.

Okay. Okay, Andrew. I don't know. Pardon my ignorance.

But I would say that after attempting to hijack Charlie's legacy, what did I say? Postthumously instead of postumously, people are beginning to understand that Charlie was surrounded by vipers. I would argue that bringing influencers into a courtroom and then instructing those influencers to put on these bizarre over-the-top dramatic performances, pretending that they encountered a blitzcree egg, is that what I said, of evidence which has now been roundly debunked is something worth mocking. And you now find yourself in a bit of a debacle.

A kurluffle made after a kurluffle. Does that bother you? Oh, we better get to your list. Nobody cares, Andrew.

What a sign of being an absolute loser. What are you like 45 years old? Just scrolling through podcasting look for mispronounced words. I don't think that's going to help your cause.

And speaking of mocking bird influencers who are worthy of laughing at, by the way, Tim P. He obviously just says whatever the state themes are. He just presents state themes. Believe the deep state.

Well, he apparently did not comprehend the assignment at all because he rushed in to rescue the narrative after our video was shared with the exact wrong conclusion. It was kind of incredible. A couple people did this. Just had no idea, could not comprehend what we were sharing.

Effectively, we were saying this person was a decoy and never fired a shot. And Tim P tweeted this in response to Alex Jones. He said, "None of that is true. It's just conjecture.

Surprisingly, this serves as a counter to the exploding mic claims, though. Nope, Tim. Nope. That's not That's not what happened here.

Actually, this now makes people look even deeper into the exploding mic claims is what we did was we ruled out that the person on the roof took a shot. That's what Alex Jones was saying. Like, this is this is crazy. A bunch of people were messaging us making it very clear this is not possible.

You would have seen the gravel kick up. If he had shot a 306, if he had shot that gun, here's what would have happened. So, we're saying this was another decoy, a person that was told to be on that rooftop to get on there and to get off. And most people don't even see a gun.

I would like to stress that we have seen no evidence that there was even a gun on the rooftop. Even our source, the person who recorded in that recording, he doesn't say or show a gun. So, we have no evidence. We just are we are trusting that that person had a gun despite never seeing one.

I do want to say, of course, we have to mention Paramount not so tactical because he is never to be excluded from idiocy. Um, he chimed in, this is how he was going to rescue the narrative, with a photo of a baby learning to crawl. See, he's like the that military tactic. This proves it's it's so easy to do even a baby could do it.

It's like a new take on the Geico commercials. So easy a baby can do it. He actually shared this. He shared a baby and that's proof that the person was not trained or tactical.

That that's just your normal human instinct or whatever. [laughter] Baby could be a military man. Maybe it was a baby on the rooftop. absolutely absurd and hilarious online.

But I do want to draw your attention to Blake Nef's response because this is later be going to be crucial. You know me, always playing a game with these people. Blake Nef was also angry that Alex Jones uh tweeted and said, "This is we're done with this narrative. " And Blake Nef responded to him and said, "There are a lot of errors and distortions in this post, Alex.

First of all, saying that this footage is quote uh is what quote the courts will not let the public see leaves out that it is the defense that demanded that it be kept from the public on the grounds that would prejudice Tyler. Prosecutors repeatedly fought to conceal nothing during the preliminary hearing. He's misrepresenting that the rifle is not pulled from his pants in this video because there was another rooftop video from another angle that captures that moment. That's where I want to pause.

And then he says, "And once the rifle is pulled out, he obviously is not going to live. He would obviously not limp. Okay, this is new. This is new.

I've never heard this. I've never heard anybody make the claim that there's another angle of a video where we can see him pull the rifle out of his pants. Blake Nef is making that claim. And I just want to put a pin on that.

Okay. He says Candace has not released that one. The individual does not look like Tyler Robinson because they literally don't look like anyone at that distance. Oh, wow.

Where was Where were you when all these influencers were saying it was Tyler Robinson in 4K? Now 11 minutesall of a sudden you're taking our position and we don't know who that is. That could be literally anybody. He continues, "It's the other footage taken from the campus that supports him being there.

" There's zero proof his parents did that. We never saw that. That's Blake just narrating. For instance, the footage that also captured a match of Tyler's car arriving on campus.

Those plates were blurry. The car was blurry. Again, that is Blake making assumptions. Blake's allowed to make assumptions, but we can't.

He said recoil from a prone firing position can easily be minimal, but in any case, we know a gun was fired from the spot because a bullet coming from that direction was what killed Charlie, as confirmed in the medical examiner's report. Please do not keep indulging this, Alex. It is amazing. Turning Point is just so quick to want to shut down any sort of an inquisition 12 minutesinto what happened on that day.

And I think there's a reason for that, Blake. Particularly a reason why you are always so fired up when people start to notice these holes in the narrative. There's a reason why you and Andrew Kovvat are always so fired up. Anyway, today on the Beas and Budad show, they further explained this logic and here is what they had to say.

Well, and so just a quick note on that. I did check with people inside the courtroom that day and they're um they're saying that this clip that was shown, we're about to show it in just a sec, doesn't include the I believe a different angle is what I'm led to believe. uh at least again I didn't see it but that's there is a portion where you can see him kind of roll over the railing assemble the weapon it's a little obscured by the railing but that's what was apparently is happening I was I was asking about that Andrew is yeah that they have basically two angles guy goes over railing and you see him doing something as you said it's obscured by the railing but you can see he's taking some kind of action which we can deduce is likely pulling the rifle out of his pant leg making it ready to go. And then there's like a brief blind spot after that.

And then it's the video we see the guy running across the roof taking pos a prone position and at the exact moment where we know the shooting occurred second later gets up, runs away, and okay, so now we have some separation. So he okay they're saying we didn't see the footage but you can trust that people who were in the courtroom and saw the footage the same ones who lied to you and we didn't clock them on those lies. We platformed them as they said that it was in 4K and it was Tyler Robinson. You can trust that they said there's another angle and in that angle you can kind of deduce.

I didn't know we were allowed to do this. Think you guys tell us you if you don't have the evidence in 4K how dare you speculate. Apparently, they can deduce that in this footage that they don't know, but someone in the courtroom told them does exist. Um, you can see him deduce that he puts together the gun and takes it out of his pants.

That doesn't sound too specific. Like, if I had deduced on my show, you guys would be pretty angry. You'd be like, "Did you dream it, Candace? Did you dream it?

" As Andrew tweeted, "We present hard evidence. you deduce through influencers at court. Got it. Seems a little unfair, but I accept the challenge.

I I will arise to debunk what you are saying. Challenge accepted because you guys lie about everything. Anyway, switching gears. I would like to actually talk primarily today about Charlie's funeral.

Um Charlie's burial, the turning point extreme sensitivity, a new sensitivity, I might add, because as we showed you a couple days ago, actually if you roll back the tape, they were initially very open about Charlie's body. So, to recap, um, on September 10th, at some point in the early afternoon, I was I think I have said to you guys in the past that it was Stacy Sheridan, but I've actually been told that it was allegedly Elizabeth McCoy that was recording Erica in Charlie's open casket in Utah. That's September 11th, middayish. m.

later that day in Arizona local time, the uh local news station Sky News reported openly, so we're not breaking this news, that Charlie was headed to Hansen Mortuary in Phoenix. I'm going to show you that clip here. So, if you are just joining us here on streaming, it is 5:27 Phoenix time. Uh about about an hour ago, uh Air Force 2 landed at Sky Harbor Airport, which is uh the Phoenix Metro's main airport here, uh with the body of Charlie Kirk, his family, and the vice president.

And uh as we are giving you a live look here from Sky 12, we can see uh that motorcade come around the bend here. And clearly, you can see the the law enforcement has cleared the way for this procession. And it looks like that the White Hurst is possibly in the in the front there. It's kind of hard to see, but you know, obviously um making its way from the freeway to the streets and ending up at Hansen Mortuary.

Okay, so that was reported. They everyone knew where he was going. They saw what time he landed and that he was handing to heading to Hansen Mortuary in Phoenix on September 12th. Okay, so the day after that, Charlie is back in Phoenix at Hansen Mortuary and Erica moves to post the footage that uh Elizabeth actually captured the day before in Utah.

She moves to post that footage of her lying over Charlie's open casket onto social media. Again, it is relevant that that uh footage was actually captured the day before because if you were paying attention to the local news, you may have wrongly deduced that this footage was taken in Phoenix, but it was not. And I also want to note that that is an open casket that you're seeing in Utah. , Charlie is no longer at Hansen.

He is now having a Catholic funeral mass that is held at a Catholic church that Charlie regularly attends. And this is in the middle of the day. And so immediately you should be asking yourself, why the change? Why the change?

The mass was not hidden from the public. Okay, it obviously was not open to the public, but it was not hidden from the public as it occurred at at the same time as uh mass was going on for local parishioners. They observed the the hir. based exactly what the news was reporting.

They observed that, but like I said, it wasn't open to the public. So, this was not something they were trying to keep super hush hush. The question that's relevant here is why would you go from Hansen to now Catholic? Okay, this represents a total sea change in narrative.

Less we forget, there was an entire mockingb bird campaign which was launched to attack me after I publicly um asserted that there were rumblings that Charlie was close to converting that we were hoping that he would. Catholics were hoping that he would. It was a conversation that was happening even between me and Charlie like take the next step, take the next step and this just set them off. It was something that was a high priority in the immediate aftermath of Charlie's assassination for Turning Point to come out and to clarify and by clarify I mean to shut that down.

Like this is not true. Okay. It was high priority. So much so that their spokesperson Andrew Kovette joined Alex Clark's show and took down that insinuation.

And I want you to take a listen so that you remember what was said. Was he becoming Catholic? No. But he really loved Catholic mass.

He loved the ritual of it. Uh he loved the beauty of old Catholic churches and the stained glass. And him and Erica would go sometimes. Yeah.

Well, Erica's a cradle Catholic. Uh but she ended up kind of like me. I grew up Catholic and first communion and went to Catholic high school, but then I ended up becoming a Christian in college through a Protestant church through a non-denominational kind of more experience. It's actually Presbyterian and then it was kind of non non non-denominational and and I think Erica kind of follows that same path.

She and I share that. " So, she herself had said no. They're making it clear there was no conversion happening. And even though Erica was a cradle Catholic, and they're telling the truth, by the way, we know this.

Erica talks about this on podcasts. Erica very much represented herself as non-denominational. She's got tons of pastors. Everyone's saying, "I'm Erica's pastor.

" But they wanted to shut down the idea that Charlie or Erica was Catholic. And what you should know about that is I am told that Andrew, this was pre-recorded. And throughout this conversation, you can see little cuts because Andrew was texting with Erica throughout this recording to ensure that he was okay with what she was what he was saying and what he was sharing. So this public messaging had her stamp of approval.

And again, to be clear, it was a pre-record which took place before Charlie's Catholic funeral mass. A day later after saying this, you moved to have a Catholic funeral mass. Does that make any sense? Just run that back.

Does that make sense in your head? Either Erica or Charlie are Catholic. They just like to go in smells and bells, but they were committed non-denominational and then evangelical for Charlie. So, pardon pardon my common sense here.

I know that's not allowed. But if you had planned to bury Charlie, who was not a Catholic according to you, in a Catholic cemetery, why would you not just have him immediately transported to a Catholic funeral home rather than having him moved from Hansen? Moving him suggests that something went wrong. Okay, I've been around.

You don't just opt to move dead bodies between funeral homes. You don't go, "Oh, well, we put it in this funeral home. " Especially if you're choosing to bury someone for religious reasons. " So, here's what happened.

We received a tip and this tip has checked out in a major way. And I'm going to be clear clear here on what is being alleged and what is not alleged because some parts I am not alleging. I'm telling you this is what took place. So, regarding Hansen, the person alleged with proof that I deem to be credible um that the reason that Charlie was brought to Hansen and was ultimately moved was because the company refused to take part in a quote unquote mock burial.

Okay, a mock burial. So, that you understand why I find this information credible. It's because I read through text messages uh that were sent to this effect from the people that would have knowledge of this. So I'm going to explain uh what that is and uh or rather what is meant by that term mock burial in this particular scenario so there's no confusion.

It's considered mock because the deceased is not ultimately going to be buried. Okay. So you can request to have a mock burial either before or after a person is cremated almost as a celebration. We'd like to have this this person in a casket have a celebration.

Have a funeral. But this casket is not going to be put into the ground. Actually, we're going to cremate him. So, I am told that Hansen declined to participate in a mock burial.

So, Turning Point USA then had to shop around and ultimately they landed upon the Catholic Church because of Erica's very strong ties to the priest. You'll recall just the church in general. Um, if you watched our bride of Charlie series, we went about Erica's from that area, her background, her high school that she went to. But regarding the priest, to jog your memory, Erica is apparently so close to this priest, despite the fact that she's not Catholic or participating Catholic, whatever it is Andrew was saying there.

But that priest who winds up performing that Catholic funeral mass, uh, she's so close to him that rather than bringing her family members to Utah after she finds out that her husband is shot, after she finds out that her husband is assassinated, rather than flying her family members out there, she coordinated to bring the priest. We then saw him around her um, traveling with her at future events. There was that Turning Point event in October which featured the vice president at Miss on October 29th. The priest was with her.

He traveled with her there as well. All of that in retrospect is rather extraordinary because Turning Point still maintains to this day that Charlie was not flirting with Catholicism. This is something that Blake Nev said the other day. A bishop said otherwise.

Said I talked to Charlie. But Blake Nev said, "Nope, never. " So why a Catholic funeral mass if not for the reason that you have a personal relationship with the priest who will grant you a special request that has been refused by others. Not illegal, by the way.

I'm implying that anything that was done was illegal. I'm saying that if this holds true, it means that you have I will do that for you. I will do what the others are saying that they will not do. It implies that the intention was actually to not have Charlie buried Catholic because he's not Catholic.

He did not die Catholic. Now, the next part I'm going to tell you is not speculation. It's a fact. On the day of that Catholic funeral mass, Charlie's casket was closed.

It's a fact. Afterward, it was in fact taken to a Catholic cemetery and close friends and family and high netw worth donors gathered around that casket one last time. " No, that did not happen. I can tell you that did not happen.

And I am not saying allegedly here. Instead, they were then asked to leave. They did not see Charlie taken to a burial plot. They did not see Charlie lowered into a ground.

There was no grave that was dug out. Rather, they were told, "You leave and we'll handle the rest. Uh he's going to be put somewhere unmarked. " His close family and friends were told this.

So the people that were in attendance were then shuttled to a lunchon elsewhere. Again, I am presenting that as a fact. No one who attended Charlie's actual funeral on that day can make a counter claim that they saw him buried. That would be untrue.

They would be lying. They were asked to leave. So when I put that together, I am led to believe that it was indeed a mock burial done as a favor by a friend. Again, not illegal.

I am led to believe that he was either before or after cremated. And the this ceremony was for family and friends, you know, to have a funeral, but ultimately Charlie was not lowered into the ground on that day. And it I that is the reason 27 minutesthat I believe Erica chose to do a Catholic funeral mass uh despite indicating everything to the contrary to the public about Charlie's beliefs evangelical. So why does this matter?

Well, it matters because it would be highly unusual if that is factual that he was cremated and it was a mock burial. It would be highly unusual for someone to seek their spouse's cremation before an investigation into their assassination is concluded. Plain and simple. It would be run counter to trying to find answers.

And um their sensitivity doesn't make sense otherwise. It does not make sense otherwise. What they are selling you is absolute BS that there is some fear that a leftist trans person is going to come up. Go look up anybody recently who has died.

You can find where they've been buried. that are bigger and more prominent. You could you can Google where George HW Bush presidents where is he buried? Go Google where uh JFK uh Jr.

was buried. You can find that. You can find everywhere where they are buried where um uh who's another recent person, John McCain. You can Google that right now.

Where is John McCain buried? So you are telling me that all of these high-flying people who were remarkably controversial, people that are at each other's throats all the time fighting in politics are capable of being buried publicly and you can go visit them publicly and you can go learn and see the moment that their family members were around and when those plots of u were were dug out. But you're telling me that Charlie Kirk, it's just no, no, no, no. This is we are just so fearful.

Can I have one thing? Can I have one thing? Yeah, I bet. Can we have one thing?

Can we have the truth? Can we have the truth? Anyway, we'll be right back after a break.

I can also tell you guys that months following this, so that took place in September. Months following this, a very very high-paying donor over at Turning Point USA ran into another set of donors in Europe and relayed the same. She was present at the Catholic funeral mass and she relayed that Charlie was not buried.

So it's not these are not rumors that those parts I am asserting as fact. Are we to believe he's just been kept above ground this whole time or that he was cremated? It makes sense that he was cremated. If you were shopping for a mock burial, there'd be no reason, like I said, to move him from one place to the other.

And you guys were not shy about Charlie's body. You are being shy because you're hiding something. You guys have just been lying about a lot. I know too much right now.

and we're trying to figure out obviously as always when to present certain things and sometimes I do want to get ahead of myself but I I am I am sickened by Turning Point USA. I want I want to put that on record. I am sickened by them and the truth is going to come out about everything. So yeah, I know vengeance does not belong to me, but uh truth belongs to everybody and everybody can see what this is and feel what this is and nobody is being convinced by Andrew Kovat, you know, late night tweeting mispronounced words or Blake Nef trying to explain to us that the evidence what we see with our eyes, our own eyes should not be trusted, but we should believe people inside of the courtroom whose own eyes uh told them something that has never been shared publicly.

It doesn't make sense that they would say these things with a screwdriver. What are you talking about? Where is that in the evidence? Doesn't exist.

Officer Bagley. Oh, just it just it went off. I don't know. I don't know what happened to my body cam footage right when I found the screwdriver that Blake's obviously referring to.

There's going to be there's some more footage around the corner or something. It's It is unbearable waiting. I have to say that it is it it is something that I have to do and I am continually practicing this exercise of patience and I've done a good job but man the stuff that I know right now it it it burns me. It is positively burning me.

It's why you know we have been running late because we're debating of when to drop things but they're making the mistakes right now and we have to allow them to continue to make these mistakes. Anyway, yesterday as I mentioned to you I think at the top I said prosecution then defense. It was in fact uh my producer corrected the prosecution that filed a memorandum and in that memorandum they highlighted some injuries that Charlie had in his autopsy that uh the internet is now going uh what and I can just read to you this portion and they are saying that the bullet or at least parts of it sequentially perforated the anterior left side of Mr. Kirk's neck strap muscles of the left side of the neck um and the left common caroted and left internal and external jugular veins.

So corroded artery we we already knew all of this but we remember that um Andrew Kovat particularly told us this next part it obliterated the left side of C27 vertebrae and transected the cervical spinal cord. So he told us it went in this way just to make this make sense hit the back and then went down his vertebrae. Right. " All right.

But he also had other injuries that people have questions about, particularly pertaining to hemorrhages in his lungs, which tend to come from blunt force trauma and hemorrhages. His heart had hemorrhages and both of his lungs had hemorrhaged. And that's what you're seeing at the bottom there. The uh medical examiner also observed hemorrhaging around Mr.

Kirk's heart, both of his lungs, left and right. And so people are taking this one of two ways. Okay, obviously if we don't know what happened in that car, there are so many stories. I'm not going to pretend to be doctor a doctor here and to understand what can and cannot happen.

um what should what you should see if somebody's been shot in the neck, how it would impact their heart and their lungs. You can do a cursory search and determine that your heart and lungs can't hemorrhage if there is no heartbeat. And so this gets into the question of when did his heart stop beating because we have Frank Turk who tells us he realized in those critical minutes that Charlie had did not have a pulse. But we have uh also heard from Erica that you know he died instantly.

So that's people who are thinking he died instantly and you know immediately his heart stopped beating are going to go okay well then how was there all this hemorrhaging. But then we've also heard a scenario where they get his heart back going again at the hospital. And if you are you know if your heart is going and pumping of course there's going to be an opportunity for hemorrhaging to take place. It's one of the things that happens after any surgery that takes place is that you there are concerns for hemorrhaging.

So there's no definitive answer here and it's and no matter what, even if there was a definitive answer, it's going to be debated both ways. There's also a chance that if you if you look up how this can happen, how you can have uh hemorrhaging in your lung and hearts, yeah, you will determine that if something strikes you, blunt forced trauma to the heart, that is an injury that is commonly sustained. So people are going, "That could be the exploding mic. That could be the exploding mic.

No, that could be what happens when he gets hit in the neck and he's fighting and spitting up blood. You're going to see everything, but it's going to get interesting. And it's one of these things that I would love to be able uh to sit down and have a real doctor who's not paid. We've all survived CO, so I'm not so keen on people in white coats explaining things.

We know that that industry has also been hijacked by influencers, so to speak, who told us the most absurd things after CO. Hop on one foot, six feet social distancing. This is science. We we're so naturally distrusting that we're not going to get a clear answer on that.

But it would be interesting to know if he had bruising on his chest. Things of that nature, I think, are going to tell more of a story because I am a person who does believe that the microphone exploded on him. And now that I have fully rinsed out any chance that the person on Loy shot Charlie in his neck and that this bullet ricocheted downward and he somehow uh had this Superman steel neck because he ate lettuce and liked salad. I'm looking for a more reasonable explanation and it is in my estimation a way more reasonable explanation that there were decoys, multiple decoys.

People that were told to capture those decoys on the roof who was just tasked with really running so that they could say, "Oh, that's where it happened from. " I don't think it did. I think that military man was tasked with being an acrobat. That's 38 minuteswhy he looked professional.

That's why he looked tactical. And there is a reason why they don't want to bring in these witnesses in the courtroom, why they haven't even been contacted by the prosecution. It it is very obvious to me that Turning Point is not embarking on a mission to find any truth. Uh anyway, uh Skyla, you have the clip of the the screwdriver clip from the court hearing.

Is that what you have? Oh, okay. Yes. 4 as proof of that and it's just not it's not proof of that.

We've never we've never seen that. We have seen no evidence of either a screwdriver or a gun on the rooftop of a lossy building. I want you to realize that because we're at this late stage where they want us not to believe our own eyes. And that's why they're so angry is because then when we show you something 39 minutesand we show you a clearer image, your eyes tell you that the narrative doesn't make any sense.

And I it's going to fall apart. It is it's it's already falling apart. That's why they're so angry at me. But it's going I can guarantee you it's going to fall apart more.

And a lot more questions are going to be asked of Turning Point employees and why they didn't include certain things when they told stories about what they did that day and why Blake seems to have this convenient amnesia about certain events that day and why he uh continues to exclude Danny Phillip from the equation. Doesn't know who he was driving with. It was Danny Phillip. Why can't you say that?

There might be reasons for that. Anyway, let's not get ahead of ourselves. I just want to show you this email that I got in happier news because it was very funny when we were mocking Frank Turk reading this email about how I'm destroying a marriage. Well, this is actually a real email of someone who said that I saved their marriage and it made me very happy.

Uh, this person wrote to us, "Hi, Candace. After watching your episode where Frank Turk wrote a letter about how you are ruining someone's marriage, I realized that you actually did help in the recovery of my marriage. My husband and I have had a rough few years after I discovered that he had an emotional affair at work. He eventually left that job and cut that person out of his life, but I resented him for what he did to me.

Needless to say, we had little to no conversations that would not end in a fight. I was at my lowest around the time when you announced the Breijgit series coming. I watched in shock the intro episode and mentioned it to my husband. He was intrigued and we started watching your episodes together after the kids went to bed.

There were days that we couldn't stand each other. Uh but the curiosity of the newest episode would bring us together at the end of the day to watch your show. There have been plenty of times when we would start watching your episodes, each pouty and hands crossed. So, by the end of it, we were back to talk on talking terms and discussing your newest discovery.

While grieving my marriage, I shut out a lot of people, including my sister. We had a falling out and we didn't talk for well over a year, even though we lived close by. At a family gathering, I mentioned your show. My sister said that she's been watching it as well.

Became a neutral topic, which led us to sending each other clips of your show and talking about it. My sister actually encouraged me to write to you and said that she hopes that you read my letter on your show. Also, I want wanted to encourage you as you work through your vivid dreams. Before I discovered my husband's affair, I had vivid dreams where I learned the woman's name and that he was having an affair.

At the time when I had the dreams, I asked my husband about them and he denied it all. But recently, he reminded me of those dreams and told me that they were scary spoton. God sometimes uses dreams to speak to us. For a crowd that believes in the Superman neck, it's insane that they would reject the possibility of revelation through dreams.

My husband brought me your make him a sandwich book as a gift. We are in therapy and doing much better than when the Breijit series was launched. We pray for your protection over you and your family as you fight the good fight. Thank you for all of your work.

It's not in vain and has brought together not just the left and the right, but families too. I'm just really happy to hear that and it's just because you said like I we my sister hopes that you see it. Well, look, now we're reading it on the show. Um and the Becoming Bashit series was I mean I when I was falling down that rabbit hole, I was going what on earth is going on in France?

Now we're wondering what on earth is happening in 42 minutesAmerica. And um yeah, I'm just I'm you know, very happy for you and your husband and that you're you're seeing it through and sticking it through. Regarding the dream point, that's another this is like another one of these things where they mock me. I am so not ashamed of the dreams that I had.

Um I know when I am having a silly dream and when I am having something that is paralyzingly, uh it just it feels like it's true. I and like I gave you examples of that when I knew specific details about uh a friend being pregnant, like what month the baby was going to be born. And it's so funny that the people who want to grift off faith the most are acting like dreams are not very clearly represented in the Bible as messages from God. They can be messages from God.

And I know when I had that dream and I didn't know no but I knew when I had that dream the fact that I woke up and texted Andrew and I said Charlie told me that you betrayed him when I had that dream and it was it took place in Israel when I told you guys about and at that time I thought Andrew Kovette was a good guy [laughter] and Charlie said he was betrayed and then I couldn't hear what he was saying and then I saw Andrew Kovette's face. I knew that was something and now that we are 10 months into this why would I doubt my dream? What what about that did not to me appear to manifest? He's betraying him every single day when he tells lies about who Charlie is, who Charlie was, and what Charlie was going through.

Um, and so I just hope that people who spend all of this time going through all of our content to try to embarrass me. I hope you know that I don't I'm just not insecure in that way. I don't have that. Like I I'm very aware and I think it's probably because I listened to too much Kanye West music when I was growing up.

But I know that that's kind of the key. That's the entry point. " No, I actually had more dreams that I should have shared. I shared with my team, but in the immediate aftermath of Charlie's death, the dreams were so vivid, they were so overpowering that I almost felt like I was being haunted by him.

And it was it was a part of the grieving stage. I I I wanted them to stop, you know. And um I remember talking to my priest because I I said to I feel like he must he must be in purgatory. I because I he feels so near and I wasn't never I wasn't having these vivid dreams and they just wouldn't stop.

And then there came a point where they did stop and I don't get the vivid dreams like I did after he died. And you know, I had hoped that that meant that he was no longer in purgatory and that our prayers for him and I know Catholic people all over the world were praying for him. Um that that yeah that that meant that his that he moved on and I have literally no qualms about sharing that at all. I think my dream is right.

I think Charlie was betrayed and I think the rest of the world doesn't need dreams to see that. So take that for what you will. Be right back after a break.

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An Eyewitness At Timpanogos. A Shocking Discovery About The Medical Examiner… | Ep 369
Candace Owens
Streamed live 2 hours ago Candace Owens

We receive an explosive tip about where the clothing of Charlie’s security team went after they arrived at the hospital, we ask why Charlie had a file at a different hospital employees were instructed not to touch or open, and where are all of the hospital witnesses?



Transcript

Chapter 1: Start. All right, you guys. Happy Thursday. Of course, you know that is our Friday.

We've had a lot of fun this week. Many, many tears were shed. Most of them from Blakey Nef. I was remarking how odd it is that for 10 months straight, we were told that all the widow wants is transparency.

Erica just wants transparency. She's asking the judge to show everyone uh everything so that there are no questions left. And then I I share a video and they're like, "Lock her up. Lock her up.

You just can't make this stuff up. So, quite literally, just before we were going to go live today, Ashley, my producer, made a shocking discovery about the medical examiner who performed Charlie's autopsy. And I'm currently pretty unwell over it cuz I I just can't take this anymore. Everything is just so obviously wrong.

Fastest autopsy ever. Just in the middle of the night, couple hours he's done. Who did this? who performed this.

Now, we've got the chief medical examiner resigning. The person who signed off on it, though, is one that we are going to be speaking about, Dr. Andrew Wardo. And there's more because we also received a pretty explosive tip regarding the clothing of Charlie's security team and where that went.

You remember the clothing they were wearing in the car in route to the hospital. They were covered in blood. The amazing Mikey McCoy got them scrubs. Well, we have an idea what what may have happened to the clothing thereafter.

And we are going to stick with the hospital theme today because we've all been wondering where the heck all of the hospital witnesses are. Like this is an ER, sir, where the doctors, nurses, other patients. It's almost as though no one was there but Turning Point USA. How could that be?

We've come across a source and the story that we've been told is incredible. And if true, it very much implies fornowledge of Charlie's assassination. So, let's get right into it. Welcome back to Candace.

Chapter 2: The Medical Examiner. I don't even know where to begin, so we're just going to start. Okay. His name is Dr.

Andrew Guardo. He is from New York. He moved to Utah in 2018 and was working as an assistant at the medical examiner's office. In 2024, when our chief medical examiner, Dr.

Dedra Amaro, uh began to rule the roost, she decided to select him as her deputy. So, he was promoted in 2024 when she got there to the role of deputy chief examiner. Okay. So, Charlie Kirk, we are told, we were told, things are kind of shifting now, but we were really told that he was murdered by a trans furry kid on a rooftop gamer.

I do want to say there's still no proof of him being trans or into trans furries beyond the influencers that were immediately sent out to tell us this was a left versus right war, that there was an LGBTQ narrative here. Uh, we were also told that he confessed to his crime to his friends, his fellow gamers on Discord. Here are some of those messages that he uh tells them that he's speaking to people of Jug Barnaby Marina. We've got a girl in there, a guy in there, and he says, "Hey guys, I have bad news for you all.

It was me at UVU yesterday. I'm sorry for all of this. I'm surrendering through a sheriff friend in a few moments. Thanks for all the good times and laughs.

You've all been so amazing. Thank you for everything. Such an odd thing to do to just keep confessing, right? Uh Lance Tyler Lance Twigs, Tyler Robinson's alleged boyfriend has indicated in his interview that Tyler was very into gaming.

Not politics, he said, but gaming. So, we have a storyline which involves trans furry gamers to be specific. Now, of course, the majority of the public is suspicious, right? Suspicious to say the least over the text messages, the Discord confessions, even more so after seeing the Spider-Man ninja who jumped from a lossy rooftop with the skill, precision, and fearlessness of a Seal Team Six member.

After listening to the preliminary hearing, we suspect that Tyler, it's plausible. Could have been set up by Lance. His prints are everywhere. He lives with him.

Uh he had the login to It's plausible that he could have a login to his boyfriend's Discord. That wouldn't be strange when you're dating someone and living with them. His prints were less degraded certainly than Tyler Robinson's were on the gun, which had dust in the barrel. so likely wasn't even fired.

Who could have had access to Tyler's stuff? The Discord element just feels a little fetty, right? Just a little federal trapy, I might say. So, who is this Dr.

Andrew Vardo, right? Anything that might be of interest in his background? That was kind of how Ashley began. She's like, "Oh, I wonder about the medical examiner.

" And it turns out there's something very interesting to know about him and it's who he's married to. His wife is someone who might be of interest, who might be an expert in this category. Honestly, they might bring her in as an expert because Dr. Andrew Gardo is married to a furry.

I kid you not. or at least the very least we can assert is that he's married to someone who encourages, supports, works with, and propagates the culture of furries and occasionally dresses up as one herself. He's married to a woman named Dr. Ashley Brown Guardo.

And here she is. Meet Ashley. Now, we had to we obviously uh turned the sound off because there was music as she was dancing as a furry and she was promoting uh her book and she used the hashtag, you know, furry. We're going to read what this book is about before I tell you more about her because this is just all just so incredible.

Let's uh pull this uh penguin random house book that she was promoting. She she published this book, Play Like a Fan Girl. Okay. And can you scroll down because it tells you us the description.

I don't know if you can make that bigger, but yeah. Okay, my eyesight's always so bad during pregnancy. It says that the book description is about how women and queer gamers can express and elicit elicit excitement, creativity, and desire in online gaming communities and beyond. How do cosplayers, modders, fan artists, fanfiction authors, and Tik Tok content creators build communities for marginalized and underserved fans of games and play like a fan girl?

uh Christine and Ashley and Tanya. These are our authors are going to look at the collective efforts of such fans to create meaningful and arousing connections to the video game worlds, to characters and to one another using pleasure as a lens. They show how fans playful practices both reflect current cultural values and shape how we relate to video games in ourselves. They developed the concept of what they call the fan girl gaze to show how communities of fan girls can be regarded as oppositional, subversive, and transformative in terms of societal expectations and gender, play, and sex.

Okay, you get the idea. Now, you're probably wondering how Ashley became a doctor. How did she become a doctor? Well, sociology, right?

Sociology is uh how she climbed the teaching ladder after achieving her degree and guess where she achieved it at Arizona State University. Uh she then earned her PhD in sociology overseas at the University of Manchester and then she became a teacher. She's access to preschool kids. Um what we learn from her bio is that uh quote previously Dr.

Graardo was faculty at Brunell University in London and then the University of Utah been there for um almost 10 years last 10 years. She won awards for innovative and inclusive teaching at both institutions since 2017. She's hosted a weekly educational Twitch stream on games user research models uh methods pardon. She's also held several leadership positions in industry and academia facing professional organizations.

She was vice president of the global game jam conference, co-director of IGDA's games user research special interest group. I'd like to see who funds the IGDA. 9 minutesAnd currently serves as the president of the digital games research association. I would like to see who funds that.

If I know about the feds, this is how they move money. give me an association, a 501c3, we'll get money in there. Anyway, um as I told you, she's the author of many books, but also the author of sexuality in role playing games, dozens of book chapters, journal articles on fandom, sexuality, particularly video games, tabletop, role- playinging games, and she's currently working on a book which explores how fantasy can shape your sexual desire. But the biggest thing that I want to underscore is just how deeply uh submerged she is in gamer culture.

How deeply tied she is to g the gamer community. And for the last 10 years she's been in Utah. And she works and explains the philosophy of how gamers can engage with characters, create characters outside of themselves. That is her expertise.

She encourages and explains how people uh effectively sort of separate from their real life persona. And that, by the way, is what a furry is. It's not like it it's the LGBTQIA thing. I had to look this up.

I'm going to read this to you. I was like, I don't even know what a furry is. It says, "The term furry describes a diverse community of fans, writers, gamers, and role players. Most furries create themselves an animal character called their persona with whom they identify and can function as an avatar within the community.

So this is not me. This is my avatar that is separate from me. So you guys remember when Lance was testifying and he said at the preliminary hearing that he goes by Luna and for some reason I felt like it was going to be some anime. I was like what?

I don't know if he's I don't think he's trans. I think this is going to be some gamer thing. I suspect that that is what Luna is. It's a gaming character that he engages with outside of Lance Twigs.

Okay, here is how Dr. Ashley might explain how that engagement works. Take a listen. So erotic roleplay um is different from cyers sex in the sense that in erotic roleplay you have this roleplay component meaning that people are not at least explicitly playing as themselves.

They are not um seeking out sexual interaction in a game or in a chat room or otherwise as the human being that they are in their day-to-day life. they are playing the role of a character perhaps in a fantasy world perhaps from a popular franchise like Star Wars um or just their own original character but they are playing this character that is different from them with different wants needs hopes and dreams and they're engaging with erotic content. So cyber sex on the other hand would be when people want to engage with uh sexual content online or you know if it's phone sex then it's through the phone but that would be as themselves. So in terms of practice what are we actually talking about?

Well the two are very similar because at the end of the day you're still using a keyboard to type out your erotic thoughts and feelings and and emotions. The difference being that one person is doing it as a character and one person is doing it as themselves. Okay. I would like to again stress the point that Dr.

Ashley has spent the last 10 years working as a professor in Utah, okay, at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City, encouraging her students and her gamers to join her on her Discord, to follow her Twitch, her streamer account. And I'm wondering how big can this community of gamers that are into this be throughout the state of Utah? I'm wondering, have we identified everybody on this Discord chat? I'm wondering can we is this a coincidence?

How big can this community be? And similar to um Dr. Amara, Dr. Amaro has left uh the building.

She's no longer at Utah. Ashley and her husband have both they've now gone to New York. He's accepted now. He's going to be the chief medical examiner in New York and she's going to be teaching at NYU.

We should pull up her LinkedIn by the way. we should pull up just to show like not barred from being around kids actually encourages it. Now she's the assistant arts professor at NYU full-time. So they up and left um associate professor I guess she left ahead of her husband.

I don't think that's right cuz he didn't leave until after obviously he did the medical examiner's office and they are they are married but assistant professor University of Utah she's just been around students for a very long time. So again, I'll ask the question, how big can this particular gaming furry, create a character that is outside of yourself, join me on Discord, Twitch community in Utah. B, has she ever come across Lance Twigs? That'd be a question that I would ask.

I just feel like that's a question that I would like to know the answer to across her tenure uh career in Utah and also being on the board and working with these outside organizations and associations uh studying these people and encouraging this lifestyle. I'll leave it at that because I am just jaw on the floor with all of this. So Charlie effectively had a a lesbian because Dr. Amaro was dating a woman.

Um, and Dedra Amaro and I don't know what to describe Dr. Andrew as. Andrew Gardo, I guess I don't know. He what he's married to.

He's got to be remotely into this. Too many coincidences. Chapter 3: What happened at the hospital. Moving on from that, an interesting little tidbit for you.

Remember how Frank Turk described them receiving scrubs from the hospital? And I've always found that to be remarkably suspicious. is you don't just get surgical scrubs at an ER because you're covered in blood. Uh, still, by the way, nobody knows why or how he got that blood on him because if Brian Harpole is to be believed, he was doing all of the work while Rick Cutler was holding him while Frank was praying in the back.

So, we asked the question, how could these stories be so different where Frank says he did CPR and Brian says he didn't? Did Frank just write himself into the story because he needed to explain why he took off all of his clothes to the hospital and was wearing scrubs? Because it would be pretty weird if you did that if you were not in fact covered in blood. There'd have to be another reason that you did that if you were not in fact covered in blood.

Like I said, Brian doesn't recall Frank doing CPR. Frank says Brian was distracted and just didn't realize what he had done for the last . He just got distracted on this remarkably short car ride to the 16 minutesoffice and didn't see him lay Charlie down flat and start doing mouthto-mouth CPR. Okay.

But I'd wondered, we had all sort of wondered aloud what exactly happened to their clothes then, right? Brian's eye cut Charlie I took the shirt. What happened to the clothes? Well, I will say Frank Turk's name was not explicitly mentioned, but uh I did hear that the feds, the FBI took the clothes from certain members of Charlie's security team.

Security team down to their boxer briefs. Took their clothes down to their boxer briefs. The FBI took their clothing. So, how are we to digest that?

Well, in a normal scenario, we would think, "Oh, great. " That's what they should be doing. Bagging the clothing and sending it to be stored for further examination or in case it comes up. Uh maybe further testing might maybe it'll come up in uh throughout the course of the court cases.

But this is not a normal situation. These feds were not doing anything normal, right? We know this because we learned that the feds immediately had the car towed, sent away, wanted it cleaned and resold. " They get rid of the car.

So, I don't think that they said get rid of the car, but let's keep Brian Harpoles or Rick Cutler's boxers for evidence. In my mind, they likely took their clothes and had them destroyed. That's in my mind. I don't know that for certain.

It's an unknowable thing. Unless you are Tyler Robinson's defense team and you can demand access to that sort of information, which I would if I was on Tyler Robinson's defense down to the boxers. The feds took it. You see, I am a I'm a person who actually, just to be clear, so that I'm on record, I want the judge to come back in September and say that there is enough evidence to move the case forward, that the influencers were convincing.

Uh me and Turning Point in that regard, we're kind of rooting for the same thing, but for different reasons. I personally just want to see how long they can keep this farce going. I want more information to become available to the public. I want to see them do that thing that's going to happen more.

Like I don't know. I don't My body cam just went out at right the exact moment when I found the screwdriver. There's going to be a lot of that. I want the story to become increasingly more cartoonish, for the influence to become influencers to become more radical, uh, because I think it's needed for the world to awaken to what exactly it is that rules over us.

[snorts] I also want to mention a little bit more about this hospital. Another very interesting tip that we received and I believe this is a potentially explosive lead and in the interest of protecting the source I'm going to remove the narrative and just tell you the facts regarding uh what allegedly took place. Now many of us have noted how odd it is that there were no eyewitnesses to the extremely erratic, chaotic, and utterly improbable er scene that was depicted by Brian Harpole where uh where are the witnesses? Where are the witnesses, we wondered, to this middle-aged man jumping on a stretcher, a stretcher, which he treated himself to.

Treat yourself. Take a stretcher on your own if you feel you're important enough. Then took out some scissors. Who knows where he got those from?

Maybe from his bag. Jumped onto the onto the gunshot wound victim. Cut a Freedom T-shirt in half to prep for a defibrillator that nobody mentioned to you while going back and forth with the surgical team about what drugs to give to Charlie. That clip can never be played enough, by the way.

It's so far beyond ludicrous that we should take a listen to it again. We uh get to the hospital. Uh actually, we we make it to the hospital through the traffic. Um we got full wound pack 20 minutesin, we get out and we carry in uh to the door.

Once we make it into the door, we see a gurnie uh on the left hand side. We put him on a gurnie and then I wheel him into a room. I start uh giving um uh the patient information uh to the staff there. Uh I end up getting on top of him and cutting the shirt that he had on off that white freedom shirt.

And so I cut it off so they could get to him so that um I I I didn't articulate this to them, but I wanted to get that stuff off so they could put a defibrillator on him. And so uh um and then started talking about pushing drugs and so I was back and forth with them on drugs and defibrillator and uh and so then um you know once I get that cut shirt off shirt cut off and moved out of the way you know there's 21 minutesenough of medical professionals in there and so I just want to get out of their way and so um got out of their way and walked out of the room and and stood outside uh the room and held guard on the outside door of the room so nobody else could come in there. [laughter] Okay, so that's a man who fell asleep watching Dr. House reruns.

Okay, that that's just that just it's just he just pictured himself as Dr. House. None of that was real life. I love the part where he's like and then I excused myself.

Like they I was I could have stayed in longer obviously, but nobody asked me to leave. I just was like, "Okay, let's run through the drugs. I need two grams I need two milligrams of this. I need two four milligrams of this.

Hey, bring in this. " Okay. All right. There's enough you guys.

I'm I'm going to I'll I'll see myself out and I'm going to guard the door. None of that takes place in a real emergency room setting. We just know that that doesn't take place in a real emergency room setting. I am so tired of having to play stupid and interested in these narratives that they keep spinning that are coming from TV.

Okay, they're he is not in charge of deciding what medicine to give to administer to a patient that you've rushed in and said has a gunshot wound. There would actually be more security uh protocol because you'd be thinking, did a husband uh shoot his wife? You know, you don't just trust people. Now he's got a pair of scissors.

She just would be like, "You need to you you need to see yourself out. " Not this guy. Anyway, back to our question. Where are the witnesses to the events that took place that day at Typanoga's hospital?

Where are they? That's a scene. They didn't they see him doing that? Did you Didn't they see Dr.

House? Dr. Harpole House? Well, listen to this.

m. hour on September 10th, so to be clear, and this is crucial, over before Charlie was shot, the Tempogo hospital staff directed everyone who was in the emergency room into a different wing of the hospital. People were not sure what was going on. The staff was directed to move everyone in the emergency room to a different wing of the hospital.

, patients were informed that they would be transferred aboard shuttles to Inter Mountain Hospital. That's that's Utah Valley Hospital. And that's what happened. All of the emergency room patients and all of their files were then transferred to Inter Mountain.

So there's effectively no trail outside of hospital cameras which have been conveniently seized by Cash Patel's office of these patients ever having been at Tempanog's hospital. Now there are a few things I'd like to say here. First, there's always a trail. There's always a trail.

Somebody somewhere drove that shuttle bus, booked the shuttle bus, saw the shuttle bus arriving at Inter Mountain Hospital, was working at Inter Mountain Hospital when a shuttle bus stopped and people emerged and files mysteriously then were transferred. And if you are that somebody, that one body, please email us. By the way, I just want to mention if you were one of those patients, you probably should also contact a lawyer. But you can't pull that off without something.

There's also some techy people. The Google satellite imagery. This shuttle. Somebody's going to look up shuttle companies.

Was there a weird trip that day? Let's get on that. com. Because if we are able to prove that this took place beyond a shadow of a doubt with paperwork, then I would say fornowledge of Charlie's assassination can no longer be disputed.

com. Now, I can tell you I trust very much that this information is accurate. Uh, and I would now like to remind you guys of another fact which I think supplies some credence to this claim. A story which we broke way back in October of last year on October 28th to be specific.

We couldn't figure out why, but we were like, Charlie has a hospital file that was at Utah Valley Hospital. We were so confused by this. Somebody had leaked this to us. People who worked there were certain that he was being treated at Utah Valley at Inter Mountain because not only did he have a file there, but they were specifically instructing people um not to touch or open that file.

Do you remember that? I I'm going to show you that file again. October 28th, we we did this episode. Uh, do we have that file?

Okay, they're going to pull it up in a second. You'll just let me know, Sky, when you have it. So, we were completely bewildered. We were going, did they even go to Tibonogos?

We don't have any witnesses at Tibonogos. We were asking the question, did they go to uh did Charlie actually secretly go to Utah Valley Hospital? We had specifically mentioned that the Tempenogos hospital system, they use a system called uh called Epic did did not speak to Utah Valley's Inter Mountain Health system. So it made it entirely no sense that Charlie's file would appear there.

But it was there and there was no way this person could have made it up because it had Charlie's personal details, even his like home address back in Illinois, which was not available to the public. And we never got an answer on this. We were just like, why would Charlie's file be appearing where he is not? I actually was inclined to think that Charlie was actually brought there.

But now I'm going, well, if what this source, and I trust this source, is telling us is accurate, then we may have our answer. All emergency room files on September 10th, which included Charlie's, were transferred out. Electronic files were transferred out to Utah Valley. And that is a massive scandal.

A massive scandal. If we can get a uh hard evidence that proves that. And I'm going to show you that document now, by the way, because you probably don't remember this, but yes, we broke the story. There he was.

Uh it said Charles J. Kirk, and it uh had him in [clears throat] there, and we had more information that we just wiped because we wanted to protect person who had given us this. But it did have also his beyond his birthday. It also had his um address and other people were also in the system.

So we were we're looking at Utah Valley's system and Charlie was a patient on September 10th. Anyway, uh there there is more and uh that I could tell you, but I I I think it would identify a source. So, I would rather not do that. All right, you guys.

We should definitely uh take a break.

I see someone already mentioning in the chat, great idea. Where are the flock cameras? Surely, we would be able to catch that shuttle on there. Yes, we should be able to do a is it called a gamma request in the state of Utah?

Somebody's going to catch the shuttle. I just know that that's just very precise and specific and like I said, I trust the source. So go max people. Speaking of which, yesterday we received so many emails from surgeons and doctors and people uh that are in the medical field because I did not even bother to traverse and give my medical opinion because I I I'm not informed.

I I trust the people who work in these industries to tell me things I need to notice. Similar to the t-shirt and people going, "That's a t-shirt on the ground. That's a t-shirt. " Uh well, people uh who work in the medical industry were deeply bothered, deeply bothered by uh Charlie's medical exam, uh the little bit that was published by the prosecution in their filing yesterday.

And I just wanted to read you a couple of these emails that we received. This person wrote, "Dear Candace, so much gratitude for your razor sharp investigation and intuition. I am a boardcertified anesthesiologist with 25 years of clinical experience, and I have a solid grasp of anatomy. I agree with you and John Bray that the exploding mic theory is the best explanation of what we could grasp from the limited footage available.

Briefly, number one, given the eruption of blood andor of a tissue emanating from Charlie's neck, it is clear that the large vessels of the neck, the left corroded artery and the jugular vein were transsected. This kind of extrusion is more consistent with an exit wound. However, because because large blood vessels were involved, we cannot rule out the possibility that a bullet entering his left neck would have resulted in what we saw. Two, if Charlie was shot from the rear and the bullet exited the left neck, it would most certainly do what was observed.

However, there is no evidence that he was shot from behind. Three, if Charlie was hit from the front, the momentum from the bullet would have sent his torso backwards. That is not what we saw. Four, a shaped charge in the road microphone would have sent a projectile from his R anterior chest upward and leftward, likely exiting exiting from his left neck or entering his cervical spine.

The projectile would have almost certainly damaged both lungs and possibly his heart. In other words, it would have been pulmonary hemorrhaging and possibly hemorrhaging around the heart as well. The exploding mic is thus the best fit from what we could see and what the coroner reported. The bullet fragments, however, are a mystery.

I suspect that was found what was found was not bullet fragments but the casing of the shaped charge which would have served as the projectile. I I did want to say this that piece right there about I suspect we just uh go up in that email that that that could have actually been from the shape charge. I was asking uh my team that I was going why why is the base assumption in this report like when they send these tiny little fragments three or four of which were unusual were unusable pardon me the the ATF testified they think that they received five fragments four were unusable unusable and one was big enough for them to use why is the base assumption that you're looking at a bullet it's like telling somebody the answer like hey this is a bullet fragment when we know that it's it's the same metal. It could have the same jacketing if you use a shaped charge.

I was interested in that. It's something that uh yeah, he he is suspecting that what was found was not bullet fragments, but the casing of the shaped charge, which would have served as a projectile. Um I totally agree with that. He continues, "No ambulance with resuscitative equipment or trained personnel immediately available, no defibrillators, no access to IV drugs.

He certainly sustained a neck injury and his neck should have been stabilized before moving him. I think it wasn't stabilized because they 34 minuteswere hiding what was on his shirt. It's my opinion. Given his injuries to the big blood vessels, he would have gone into hypoalmic shock, massive blood loss within minutes, and would have required cardiac resuscitation, which meant that chest compressions would have been immediately required to restore blood circulation.

None of that was initiated at the scene and would have been nearly impossible to perform in the back of an SUV. In my estimation, he was murdered from a shaped charge on his R on his R chest and his security team did their best in a highly rehearsed fashion to get him the hell out of there before anybody could see what happened. Just going to stop that and say this is somebody else's opinion. It is not mine.

I am just we'll stop there. Uh but yeah, you get the point. And I do believe that there is so much evidence there. Um that that's what happened that that that he got hit by a shaved charge.

And I think that the there was no gun on the rooftop. There was a person who was told to run and so that they could blame another decoy. Everybody's looking at Lozi and we are being lied to. We all agree.

That's why you're here, right? This next person said that they're a transplant coordinator. Um, previously a scrub nurse in the O for years and I worked at a level one trauma center. I have scrubbed in on more gunshot wounds than I could ever count.

I have never seen thoracic trauma or hemorrhaging for that matter in a gunshot wound to the head or neck. There would have to have been a blunt force trauma to the chest, which would make a lot of sense if his microphone exploded under his shirt. Also, I was yelling at the TV when I was watching Baron's podcast the other day regarding the autopsy. It takes at least for your deep core body temperature to reach 40° in a morg cooler.

The timeline would only support about in the morg, depending on how much time Erica spent with him when she arrived. And that's if his body was ever taken to the morg. Nothing about the case makes any sense, and it's infuriating. I thank God for all of your hard work.

Go, Max. Justice for Charlie. That was interesting, too. I told you the speed of the autopsy is incredible.

We were looking this up and it is true that the protocol is to bring the body down to 40° in the morg. Usually it obviously these things do not happen by morning time. You're prepared to be shipped especially in a case this big. Why wouldn't you want to do the most thorough autopsy of all time?

And um that wasn't the circumstance here. It was rushed. But we did look up even though it's not normal, doesn't follow normal protocol, it certainly isn't illegal to just instantly dive into doing an autopsy. Um it they the the body um it's it's capable of doing that within I think what was it before they start to get decomposition.

We were looking that up. So the body wouldn't have decomposed, but it's just not what they usually do. Everything was extraordinary. Like they just rushed it.

And when you do the timeline of how quickly that all had to happen, it's insane. Why? Why would you want that rushed? Why would you want that rushed?

I think we all know why you would want that rushed. Um the I'm going to read one more of these comments actually from from doctors that were writing on YouTube. One writes, "I am a surgeon based on the medical examiner's report, the trajectory from the roof is not possible. Charlie was hit in the low neck.

The medical examiner's report said much of his cervical spine was traumatically gone, that the left side of C2 to C7 was obliterated to have affected up to C2. " I heard a a podcaster, Project Constitution, say that Charlie was also wearing a road transmitter at his left waist. If this had a shaped charge, the trajectory would make sense for entering the low neck and hitting his cervical spine. Uh, tend to agree with you.

I am team road mike. After everything that I've seen, I am team road Mike. So, um, we will see. Anyway, I will take a really quick break here and we will come back with some of your comments and, uh, thoughts.

Chapter 5: Comments. I want to remind you guys that there is still zero evidence, zero concrete evidence that has been produced that there was ever even a gun on the Loy Center. You have to remind this is how they do things. It's a psychological game.

They want you to fill in the blanks. They actually produce no evidence. They just keep saying gunshot, gunshot, gunshot. " And actually when we went back and we had showed you that guy um who recorded and said the only person to capture uh who was on campus who captured before the sound I now refer to as a sound because they kept telling us gunshot uh went off.

He says that he sees someone up on the roof right there. He doesn't say it's remarkable. He recalled in detail the military movement. So I'm getting into position.

41 minutesWhat he did not say, however, was that he saw a man with a gun get into that position. So if he observed a person military crawling, which has been true proven true, and he saw this person get down into a position and then whipped out his phone to record it. " I mean, listen to what he actually says. Again, this is recorded seconds before the sound of an explosive went off.

Take a listen. Right up. Yeah. You think he'd already be in place?

You would think that. So, there's somebody on the roof over there. Just saying. He just ran from uh over Where's my finger?

Whoa. From over there, ran in and now he's right there. Just saying. " And then news is is saying Charlie Kirk was shot with a gun from someone on Los Center and he's thinking, "Oh, I saw the person who shot him at Los Center.

" But the idea that there was ever a gun on that rooftop at Los Center, that's narrative. That's not a fact. And I do not believe that there was a gun. Least of all, do I believe that it was Tyler Robinson's gun which has dust on the barrel and his prince as the most degraded that was on that rooftop.

You might be have gotten me if you said it was a handgun as we wouldn't be expecting to see it. But a German 98 mouser is completely ridiculous. I just wanted to remind you of that. This is what they keep doing.

That same influencer overwhelm campaign. It's constantly telling you not to believe your own eyes. We will fill in the blanks and tell you what you see. " Um, where did Tyler Robinson learn those moves?

Someone even pointed out just the the bravery it takes to just jump off of a rooftop that you haven't you haven't tried doing that before. Have you measured the roof? Like I mean, have you ever been out with your friends and just tried to jump off of a cliff into water below? Like how much effort it You're like terrified.

You look below a couple times. This person just sprints, has it, lands, keeps going. I Where did he learn that? What was in that Chick-fil-A sandwich?

It's one of the greatest mysteries. What What did he order at Chick-fil-A? Anyway, top comments from last episode. GI6791 writes, "The fact that he'll take the time to mock you," referring to Andrew Kovat, "won't take the time to answer your questions, well, it says it all.

What says it all also is just how angry they are. How angry you're telling us that you're Charlie's best friend. " You see that and you don't go, "Wow, that's really weird. I'm starting to think that there may have been some more people involved.

" Hey Candace, thank you so much for releasing that footage. I really didn't know what to think when you were saying that somebody uh said there was military movements, but this is this changes the game. No, no, no. They're angry.

How dare you? Here's uh we scrolled through of your podcast. Here are the words you mispronounced. So, nobody should listen to you or watch that video.

What? Are you good? Are you sober? " Yeah, and they're going to keep doing that.

They're going to keep doing that. By the way, I think my favorite comment came from a Ray 4544 regarding the ridiculousness of telling us that we don't have a right to ask a question uh of where Charlie Kirk buried. Th this user wrote, "We can be mailed private love letters that Charlie wrote to Erica that he expected no one to see as a fundraiser material. Yeah, we can't know if he's cremated.

" Sure, Jan. [laughter] That's it. That's they It's ridiculous. How dare you ask that?

Can I have anything? Yeah. How about keep the love letters that he wrote to you? By the way, as I said, you start to notice that trend.

I wish I had pulled it in today that every time Erica ever posts or shares something about Charlie, it's actually her sharing something about herself. Charlie's like, "You're amazing. " And she shares it. Erica, you're the best person.

Erica, you're so smart. " And I also reflected on even that moment, and I did not think this at the time because I was just in the stage of of grief. And I like I said in that moment I feel like at the memorial I needed something from Erica. I was just like oh we're all going to be fighting together.

But when you reflect on that moment which they sold to us and which many of us myself included believe was this demonstration of the deepest and truest kind of Christianity. Cuz she said I forgive him. In retrospect what Erica was doing was so evil. She was actually saying, "I convict him.

" Not forgive. I convict. She didn't have any idea that he had done it. We had him.

He wasn't She hadn't seen any evidence uh that herself. Maybe the assumption was that she did that she went to UVU when they showed her. No, she got on that stage. She put on a performance and she said, "I convict this man.

" That's the reality. That is the reality. Anyway, [snorts] some comments that you guys have for us on today's episode. Renee Rice, Charlie was killed soon after I lost my husband.

I reached out to his first wife and your show bonded us. Today is her birthday. We both always stay home so I don't see her. Please wish Susanna a happy birthday.

We love you and all your hard work for Charlie. God bless you and your family. Happy birthday to Suzanne. Um, and thank you for that comment.

True detective writes, "In the words of the late prince and honey, I say, little Dread Kovette, baby, you lied too fast. Oh, little Dread Kovette, you need some bull that's going to last. " Yeah, there's a where I think we're all kind of just wondering how long they're going to keep it up for. How long is this going to go on?

You're just demanding people get arrested. That's the stage you're at. You're like late stage crazy. People who know the truth and are sharing the truth.

Arrest them. Raid their homes. Okay. Uh I am relentless writes, "These people undoubtedly suffer anxiety.

I'm not sure who specifically you're speaking about. " Mal writes, "I've heard you say a few times that God only gives us what we can handle, but that isn't true. God will always give us more than we can handle because then we will need to turn to him for his help. He wants us to come to him.

Blessings to you. Uh Christ is king. No, I think but the point is is like it's more than you can handle, then you can handle it, right? And if you if you get through it, man, you're you're stronger.

You get strengthened by it. " That was how I felt. Like I just remember the trip to Russia was where I was I was going, okay, I'm I'm having this is my breaking point. There was so much that was going on in my life in just this, you know, the Charlie assassination obviously at the end of last year followed by um me then having to contend with the fight with realizing that they were all fighting me because I wasn't I don't know in the cartel so to speak and I just then had to process that parts of my life were a lie that Charlie's life was a lie and that I was going to have to go to battle with all of these people.

That's enough to completely break you. Then I actually broke my foot like actually on Friday the 13th. Uh like the same around the same time that like I found out, but I was pregnant. Then I had a cancer scare, by the way, just to be clear.

It's way past it. It's everything's totally fine. Um but I had it was just one of those appointments that then turned into a second appointment and some later testing which always then just takes too long to come back from the lab. And I was just like, I can't take anymore.

And we're sitting here waiting for these results to come back. It was for thyroid. It's also a very survivable cancer. But um and then I I have we're going to Russia.

I'm like, "Okay, I can get away. " Then you know the president of the United States like tweets by face most person most vile person of the year for no reason. I have we were not talking about Trump on the show. So that seemed totally sideways and crazy.

And then I get to Russia and my security security security member literally almost dies. And I just remember at this point being like, "Okay, God, far be it from me, you know, far be it from me to say anything, but this feels passive aggressive. This is starting to feel do we have what what did I do? " And then you reflect on it.

you get through it and you realize like everything happens for a reason. You can take on so much more than you think you can take on. And at those moments, it's like there you're just being strengthened. Like it's like going to a gym.

And this is a terrible obviously analogy, but you're so sore and everything hurts, but it it makes you stronger. Like doing those exercises makes you stronger. And now I just feel so fashioned. And like I say to you guys, I just feel like Charlie's fighting with us.

I just keep saying that. I feel like he is fighting with us right now. And so, um, yeah, God does give you more than you can handle, but like also does give you more than you can handle because you come out the other side of it. Seven Sheets writes, "I am amazed and amused by the oh so prolific naysayers to you online with maybe one of your reach and believers.

They are crazy, but they seem so tough enough to open a jar of pickles, if you know what I mean. " Yeah, they're just insane. And there's something also just extraordinarily like gay, like 90s gay about like men that do that full-time online. chips like I'm like like stop like stop being a woman like let us do that.

You see these guys like Candace send this. Oh, Candace debate me Candace. Candace, look at me. Candace, I'm like like the culture of men online.

Men when men podcast, they can't podcast like women. Do you get what I mean? Be if you're going to be a man and you're going to podcast like and they kind of carved out the podcast space, but who was it? It was the military bros.

It was like Joe Rogan having on like UFC fighters. " Now we have these like sissies. We're like, "Did you hear what Candace said yesterday? Oh, did you hear what Cand, please don't do that.

It's so gross. It's so gross. I hate looking at these men. It bothers me deeply.

It's they're they're all Emanuel Mcronone. Don't act like Emanuel Mcronone. Act like Breijit. You know, be a man.

Art of Savagery writes, "God bless every single person who has spoken up or offered assistant in this investigation, including those who will speak out in the near future. To God be the glory. Rest peacefully, Charlie. Your David has got this.

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