Upside-down flag flew at Justice Alito’s house on January 6

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Upside-down flag flew at Justice Alito’s house on January 6

Postby admin » Fri May 17, 2024 11:47 pm

Upside-down flag flew at Justice Alito’s house after neighbor dispute: Supreme Court justice says his wife, Martha-Ann Alito, flew the flag as a symbol of protest after a dispute over political yard signs turned personal.
by Justin Jouvenal and Ann E. Marimow
Washington Post
May 17, 2024 at 5:25 p.m. EDT
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... down-flag/

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In the fraught weeks after the Jan. 6, 2021, assault on the U.S. Capitol, the wife of Supreme Court Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. flew an upside-down American flag at their home following a dispute with a neighbor over anti-Trump yard signs, according to a statement from the justice and interviews with neighbors.

The upside-down flag has long been used as a sign of distress as well as protest by liberals and conservatives. At the time, it had been embraced by supporters of the “Stop the Steal” movement who falsely claimed the 2020 election had been stolen from Donald Trump. Some rioters displayed it when they stormed the Capitol to disrupt the formal certification of Joe Biden’s victory.

The flying of the flag at the justice’s home, which was first reported Thursday by the New York Times, has prompted calls for Alito to recuse himself from a pair of high-profile Jan. 6-related cases that the court is set to rule on in coming weeks: whether Trump has immunity for his efforts to remain in office after losing the 2020 election, and whether it was proper for the Justice Department to use an obstruction statute to charge the more than 300 who rioted that day.

Neighbors and acquaintances of Martha-Ann Alito said they have never heard her espouse election disinformation or support for the Jan. 6 attack. But they also said the flag was displayed on the front lawn of the Alitos’ Fairfax County, Va., home soon after a dispute that appeared to have political dimensions.

Neither of the Alitos responded to a request for comment through the court.

“I had no involvement whatsoever in the flying of the flag,” the justice said in a statement to the Times. “It was briefly placed by Mrs. Alito in response to a neighbor’s use of objectionable and personally insulting language on yard signs.”

A woman who lives down the street from the Alitos, who like other neighbors spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect their privacy, said her adult daughter had brought home some signs from a protest and propped them up against her bushes in the front yard. Another neighbor, who said the signs appeared in late 2020, said that one had Trump’s name on it with an expletive and that the other carried a message along the lines of “you are complicit.”

The house sits at the entrance to the quiet suburban cul-de-sac that the Alitos have called home for more than a decade. The neighbor who described the placards said they didn’t mention the Supreme Court justice explicitly, but the wording of the latter one prompted some residents to wonder whether it was a dig aimed at Alito, a staunch conservative who has frequently sided with Trump’s position in cases before the court.

At the time, the Supreme Court was deciding whether to take emergency action on a case related to Trump’s efforts to block Biden’s victory, and passions were running high about the election and Jan. 6.

In an interview Friday, the mother of the woman with the signs said Martha-Ann Alito was passing by her home one day and made comments to her daughter about them. A heated back-and-forth ensued, but the mother said she did not know what was said. The daughter, who does not live in the Washington area, did not respond to requests for comment.

Alito told Fox News reporter Shannon Bream on Friday that the sign with the expletive was about 50 feet from a school bus stop. He said his wife spoke with the neighbors about the signs shortly after Jan. 6, but the conversation did not go well, Fox reported Friday. The neighbors then put up a sign directly attacking his wife and blaming her for the Jan. 6 riots, Alito alleged. He did not say what the sign said, according to the news station.

Alito
told Fox that someone living on the property got into an argument with his wife and called her a crude, derogatory word for women. He said his wife was distraught afterward and wanted to make a statement, so she hung the flag upside down.

Alito said he couldn’t tell his wife what to do
, and the neighborhood has been “very political.”

One neighbor interviewed by The Washington Post said she first noticed the upside-down flag in late January 2021, and it remained up for two to five days. The neighbor said she never saw anyone raise the flag or lower it when it came down, and Martha-Ann Alito never told her what message she was trying to send.

The Times obtained a photo of the flag flying upside down Jan. 17, 2021.

The incident has once again plunged the Supreme Court into controversy, two years after revelations that Virginia “Ginni” Thomas, the wife of Justice Clarence Thomas, pressed Trump White House officials to overturn the 2020 election results and said the contest had been stolen. Clarence Thomas has refused subsequent requests from Democrats and experts on court ethics to recuse himself from Jan. 6-related cases.

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An upside-down flag waving in front of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. (Michael S. Williamson/The Washington Post)

Some Democratic politicians and court accountability groups made similar calls Friday for Alito to recuse, arguing that the upside-down flag at his house raised questions about his impartiality and created the appearance of bias.

“[Alito] must recuse himself from cases involving the 2020 election and former President Donald Trump,” Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.) said in a statement. “Congress should immediately consider legislation to impose an ethical code of conduct on a runaway Supreme Court.”


Asked at the White House briefing whether the president believes Alito should recuse, press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said that “that is something for the court to decide.” She emphasized that Biden believes the American flag is sacred and that “we should be making sure that it is respected in that way.”

The federal recusal statute that applies to all judges and justices requires a justice to “disqualify himself in any proceeding in which his impartiality might reasonably be questioned” or “where he has a personal bias or prejudice concerning a party.”

The court’s new code of conduct, adopted in November in response to ethics controversies, separately prohibits justices from engaging in political activity and directs them to “act at all times in a manner that promotes public confidence in the integrity and impartiality of the judiciary.”

Court employees are regularly reminded that they may not publicly support or oppose a partisan organization or candidate, including through the display of “signs or bumper stickers, or stating positions on social media,” according to the court’s human resources manual.


Rakim H.D. Brooks, president of the liberal advocacy group Alliance for Justice and a former law clerk to Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh during his D.C. Circuit tenure, said in a statement Friday that it does not matter whether it was Alito or his wife who flew the flag on the couple’s property so long as the justice knew it was being flown and did nothing to stop it.

“Supreme Court justices are supposed to be the ultimate guardians of our Constitution,” Brooks said in a statement that called on Alito to recuse from any case related to Trump or the Jan. 6 attack.


Alito said he couldn’t tell his wife what to do ...


But Stephen Gillers, an expert in judicial ethics at New York University’s law school, disagreed, noting that the test in the recusal statute is based on the perspective of a fair-minded person who has all the facts.

“I don’t think such an objective observer would question Alito’s impartiality based on this incident,” Gillers said in an email. “I find it impossible to believe that Alito knew the flag was flying upside down or, if he did know, that he knew the relationship to ‘Stop the Steal.’ I don’t believe he would have allowed this to happen otherwise.”

Gillers added that while Alito’s explanation for how it happened is “hard to believe, it is more credible than the view that he knowingly chose to fly the flag upside down knowing its political message.”
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Re: Upside-down flag flew at Justice Alito’s house on Januar

Postby admin » Fri May 24, 2024 11:16 pm

Alito's Beach House Flew Second Flag Linked to Jan. 6, Christian Nationalism: "What is it going to take for Congress to rein in this out-of-control Supreme Court?" asked one critic. "Sen. Durbin should begin an immediate investigation into Justice Alito's behavior."
by Jessica Corbett
Common Dreeams
May 22, 2024
https://www.commondreams.org/news/appeal-to-heaven-flag

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Supporters of then-U.S. President Donald Trump hold an "Appeal to Heaven" flag at the "Stop the Steal" rally on January 6, 2021 in Washington, D.C. (Photo: Robert Nickelsberg/Getty Images)

As Republican political leaders push Christian nationalism, The New York Timesreported Wednesday that an "Appeal to Heaven" flag was flown last summer at the New Jersey vacation home of right-wing U.S. Supreme Justice Samuel Alito.

The revelation comes as Alito is under fire for an upside-down American flag displayed outside his Virginia residence shortly after the January 6, 2021 insurrection and just before President Joe Biden's inauguration—which was exposed by the newspaper last week and sparked calls for the justice to recuse himself from cases involving the U.S. Capitol attack or 2020 presidential election. Alito blamed his wife for that display.

"The call for insurrection is coming from inside the beach house."


The Appeal to Heaven flag, "like the inverted U.S. flag, was carried by rioters at the Capitol," the Times explained Wednesday. "Also known as the Pine Tree flag, it dates back to the Revolutionary War, but largely fell into obscurity until recent years and is now a symbol of support for former President Donald J. Trump, for a religious strand of the 'Stop the Steal' campaign, and for a push to remake American government in Christian terms."

According to the paper:

Three photographs obtained by The New York Times, along with accounts from a half-dozen neighbors and passers-by, show that the Appeal to Heaven flag was aloft at the Alito home on Long Beach Island in July and September of 2023. A Google street view image from late August also shows the flag.

The photographs, each taken independently, are from four different dates. It is not clear whether the flag was displayed continuously during those months or how long it was flown overall.


While both Alito and the high court declined to comment, critics of the justice were quick to weigh in.

"The call for insurrection is coming from inside the beach house," declared Sarah Lipton-Lubet, president of Take Back the Court Action Fund. "Samuel Alito is giving Democratic leaders a rare second chance to prove that their concern for our democracy is sincere and that they are going to fight for Americans who have understandably lost faith in this court."

"How many more anti-American flags does Alito have to fly before Congress draws a line in the sand?" she asked, urging Democrats to subpoena not only Alito but also embattled conservative Justice Clarence Thomas and Chief Justice John Roberts.

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Rep. Don Beyer
@RepDonBeyer

We aren't in the same universe as "balls and strikes" here. The rules of the Court require the justices to hear cases impartially, and when they can't do that, to recuse themselves. Justice Alito clearly cannot be impartial on January 6 cases, which means he must recuse himself.
Jodi Kantor
@jodikantor
NEW: Last summer, the Alito beach home in New Jersey flew the “Appeal to Heaven” flag, which like the upside down US flag, is linked to Jan. 6. We have photos from July, August and September as well as eyewitnesses. https://nytimes.com/2024/05/22/us/justi ... eaven.html
4:11 PM · May 22, 2024


Indivisible co-executive director Ezra Levin directed his response to the news at Senate Judiciary Chairman Dick Durbin (D-Ill.).

"You have to hand it to the free press, but this is an embarrassment for the lazy Democratic leadership of the Judiciary Committee," said Levin. "The fact that a newspaper exposed Alito's troubling use of the same 'Appeal to Heaven' flag carried by insurrectionists on January 6th in mere days should light a fire under Senate Judiciary Chairman Dick Durbin."

"As the Supreme Court readies to rule on Trump's criminal liability for attempting to overturn the results of the election and the prosecution of over 300 January 6th rioters, Durbin has a responsibility to use every ounce of subpoena and investigative power he has to uncover just how compromised Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas are," he argued. "For the sake of our democracy, Durbin's continued inaction here isn't an option and it's time he heard that message loud and clear."

Members of the group are caravaning across Illinois in a recreational vehicle—an overt nod to Thomas' controversial motor coach—to pressure Durbin "to use the tools that are afforded to him," in the words of Jessica Motsinger with Indivisible Metro East.

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Stand Up America managing director of policy and political affairs Brett Edkins on Wednesday demanded swift action from Durbin as well as Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.).

"If Justice Alito had any shame, he would recuse himself from all cases involving January 6th," Edkins said. "His actions don't just cast doubts on his ability to 'faithfully and impartially' administer justice, they show him for what he is: a MAGA extremist."

"What is it going to take for Congress to rein in this out-of-control Supreme Court? Our fundamental freedoms and the integrity of our judiciary are at stake," he added. "Senate Majority Leader Schumer should bring a binding code of conduct for the Supreme Court to a vote on the Senate floor immediately, and Sen. Durbin should begin an immediate investigation into Justice Alito's behavior."
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Re: Upside-down flag flew at Justice Alito’s house on Januar

Postby admin » Tue Jun 04, 2024 12:03 am

The Scheme 32: Alito’s MAGA Battle Flags
by Senator Sheldon Whitehouse
Jun 3, 2024

Senator Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI), Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Courts Subcommittee, delivers the thirty-second in a series of speeches titled “The Scheme,” exposing the machinations by right-wing donor interests to capture the Supreme Court and achieve through the Court what they cannot through the elected branches of government.

Whitehouse discusses the ethics violations related to Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito’s MAGA battle flags that flew at two of his homes, and Chief Justice Roberts’s refusal to take action as Chief Justice and Chair of the Judicial Conference to address the Court’s ongoing ethics crisis.



Transcript

MR. WHITEHOUSE: I ASK THAT THE
QUORUM CALL BE VITIATED.
THE PRESIDING OFFICER: WITHOUT
OBJECTION.
MR. WHITEHOUSE: THANK YOU VERY
MUCH.
AS THE PRESIDING OFFICER KNOWS,
I HAVE COME REGULARLY TO THE
FLOOR TO DISCUSS MULTIPLE
ASPECTS OF THE SCHEME RUN BY A
BUNCH OF RIGHT-WING BILLIONAIRES
TO CAPTURE AND CONTROL THE
SUPREME COURT AND HOW THAT HAS
COME TO AFFECT SO MANY
AMERICANS' LIVES.
WELL, IN CASE THERE WERE NOT
ENOUGH ETHICS PROBLEMS ALREADY
AT THE SUPREME COURT AFTER THE
BILLIONAIRE GIFTS PROGRAM FOR
CERTAIN JUSTICES GAVE THEM
LUXURIOUS FREE UNDISCLOSED FREE
TRAVEL GIFTS AROUND THE WORLD,
PAID FOR HOMES FOR PARENTS,
EDUCATION FOR DEPENDENTS, AND
EVEN AN EXPENSIVE MOTORCOACH
THAT APPEARS TO HAVE NEVER HAD
THE PRINCIPAL REPAID.
NOW WE KNOW THAT MAGA BATTLE
FLAGS WERE FLOWN OVER THE ALITO
RESIDENCES.
WE DON'T KNOW ALL THE FACTS OF
WHAT HAPPENED.
WE DO KNOW THAT ALITO'S VERSION
OF EVENTS DIFFERS FROM
CORROBORATED STATEMENTS OF OTHER
WPSS TO -- WITNESSES TO THOSE
EVENTS.
AND FOR SURE WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE
NEED TO BE ABLE TO TRUST THAT
JUDGES MAINTAIN THE HIGHEST
STANDARDS OF IMPARTIALITY, WHICH
INCLUDES AVOIDING EVEN THE
APPEARANCE OF BIAS.
AND SAY WHAT YOU WILL ABOUT THE
EXCUSES AND THE REASONS FOR
FLYING MAGA BATTLE FLAGS OVER
THE HOUSE OF A SUPREME COURT
JUSTICE, YOU CANNOT SAY THAT
THOSE FLAGS DID NOT APPEAR.
YOU CANNOT SAY THAT THEY DID NOT
CREATE AN APPEARANCE THAT TO A
REASONABLE PERSON WOULD RAISE
SERIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER
THAT JUSTICE FLYING MAGA BATTLE
FLAGS OVER HIS HOME HAD A BIAS,
PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO
CASES ARISING OUT OF THE JANUARY
6 MAGA INSURRECTION.
WHATEVER THOSE FACT DIFFERENCES
ARE, THEY ARE IMPORTANT TO TRY
TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF, AND THE
PROBLEM IS IT'S HARD TO GET
THOSE FACT DIFFERENCES RESOLVED
BECAUSE ALONE IN THE ENTIRE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, ALONE,
SUPREME COURT JUSTICES ARE
SUBJECT TO NO FACTFINDING
PROCESS.
IF THE PRESIDING OFFICER OR ME
THE R- OR THE MINORITY LEADER OR
MAJORITY LEADER OR ME WERE
SUBJECT TO ETHICS COMPLAINTS,
THE ETHICS COMMITTEE HAS THE
ABILITY TO DO FACTFINDING AND
EVEN TO TAKE STATEMENTS.
IT'S TRUE OVER IN THE HOUSE.
EVEN THE POWERFUL SPEAKER OF THE
HOUSE CAN BE SUBJECT TO
SANCTION, CAN BE SUBJECT TO
INVESTIGATION AND TO HAVE TO
MAKE STATEMENTS.
HECK, PRESIDENT BIDEN SAT FOR AN
OFFICIAL INTERVIEW ABOUT THE
DOCUMENTS IN HIS GARAGE.
BUT THE JUSTICES, AND ONLY THE
NINE JUSTICES, ARE PROTECTED
EVEN FROM ANY FACTFINDING, THE
MOST RUDEMENT RI FOUNDATION OF
LEGAL PROCESS.
THE SUPREME COURT IS SUPPOSED TO
DEFEND THE INTEGRITY OF LEGAL
PROCESS IN THIS COUNTRY AND WHAT
THEY DO IS THEY EXEMPT
THEMSELVES FROM ITS MOST RUDE
MEANTRY PILLAR.
OBVIOUSLY THIS IS ALL PART OF A
LONG STRING OF PROBLEMATIC
BEHAVIOR THAT HAS COME TO THE
PUBLIC'S ATTENTION, NONE OF
WHICH HAS RECEIVED ADEQUATE
FACTFINDING OVER AT THE COURT.
SO FOR SURE THESE FAR RIGHT
JUSTICES HAVE DEMONSTRATED THAT
THEY NEED TO BE SUBJECT TO AN
ENFORCEABLE ETHICS CODE.
REMEMBER THE ROUTINE THEY'VE
BEEN ON, FIRST, IT'S DON'T
BOTHER US, NOBODY'S CONCERNED.
THEN IT WAS, OH, ALL RIGHT,
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS ETHICS
STATEMENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO
PUT OUT ABOUT OUR ETHICS AND
THEN IT WAS OKAY, OKAY, WE'LL DO
AN ETHICS CODE.
WE'LL PLAY BY THE RULE OF
BASEBALL EXCEPT FOR THE PART OF
UMPIRES.
WE'LL HAVE AN ETHICS CODE AND
WE'LL GET TO CALL OUR OWN BALLS
AND STRIKES AND THERE WILL BE NO
DISPUTE BECAUSE THERE WILL BE NO
FACTFINDING DONE.
WE ALSO KNOW THAT THE JUSTICES
WON'T TALK TO US ABOUT THEIR
PROBLEMS.
ROBERTS DECLINED A MEETING.
ALITO SENT US A LETTER EXPANDING
ON HIS CHALLENGED VERSION OF
EVENTS, BUT HIS CORRESPONDENCE
IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE VOE R
VERACITY OF FALSEHOODS OR
OMISSIONS.
AGAIN, MAKING MATTERS WORSE,
ALITO'S STORY ACCOUNTS WITH
OTHER REPORTS AND THE SUPREME
COURT AND NO OTHER GOVERNMENT
HAS A MEKISM FOR GETTING TO THE
TRUTH.
IF THE COURT WON'T CREATE ONE
THEN WE NEED TO AND MY SUPREME
COURT ETHICS BILL WOULD DO JUST
THAT.
EVERY INVESTIGATOR KNOWS THAT
YOU HAVE TO TAKE A PROPER
STATEMENT TO GET TO THE TRUTH.
THE SUPREME COURT ITSELF TOOK
STATEMENTS FROM EMPLOYEES WHEN
IT WAS INVESTIGATING THE
ALITO-DOBBS DRAFT OPINION LEAK.
BUT NO MATTER WHAT THE
CIRCUMSTANCES, NO MATTER HOW BAD
IT GETS, NO FACTFINDING PROCESS
APPLIES TO THE NINE JUSTICES.
JUST THEM.
EVERYBODY ELSE IN GOVERNMENT IS
SUBJECT TO SOME FACTFINDING
PROCESS, NOT THEM.
THAT CAN BE FIXED.
NOWHERE IS THE SUPREME COURT
FORBIDDEN TO HAVE AN INBOX FOR
ETHICS COMPLAINTS.
NOWHERE IS THE SUPREME COURT
FORBIDDEN TO HIRE CLERICAL STAFF
TO SORT OUT NUTTY FROM
LEGITIMATE ETHICS COMPLAINTS.
NOWHERE IS THE COURT FORBIDDEN
TO HIRE STAFF ATTORNEYS TO LOOK
INTO THE LEGITIMATE ETHICS
COMPLAINTS AND DO A LITTLE
INVESTIGATING.
NOWHERE IS THE COURT FORBIDDEN
TO ALLOW STAFF ATTORNEYS TO
INTERVIEW JUSTICES TO HELP
DETERMINE WHAT THE FACTS ARE.
I'M SORRY, SIR.
THIS SHOULD TAKE LESS THAN AN
HOUR, BUT I NEED TO GO THROUGH
THE EVENTS IN THIS COMPLAINT AND
GET YOUR STATEMENT OF WHAT THE
FACTS ARE HERE.
THAT'S NOT HARD.
AND NOWHERE IS THE COURT
FORBIDDEN FROM ALLOWING, FOR
INSTANCE, A PANEL OF SENIOR
RESPECTED FEDERAL CHIEF JUDGES
WHO ADMINISTER THE ETHICS CODE
IN THEIR OWN CIRCUITS TO COMPARE
WHAT THE JUSTICES DID, WHAT THE
FACTFINDING INVESTIGATION
REVEALED WITH WHAT THOSE CHIEF
JUDGES WOULD ALLOW IN THEIR
CIRCUITS.
AND THEN MAKE THAT COMPARISON
PUBLIC.
NONE OF THAT OFFENDS THE
SEPARATION OF POWERS.
IT WOULD BE ALL RUN WITHIN THE
JUDICIAL BRANCH AND EVEN WITHOUT
ANY ACTUAL DISCIPLINARY
PUNISHMENT, THE REBUKE OF A
SUPREME COURT JUSTICE BEING TOLD
THAT THEIR CONDUCT WOULDN'T FLY
IN OTHER FEDERAL COURTS WOULD BE
A POWERFUL CORRECTIVE AND
DETERRENT.
THERE'S AN OLD SAYING THAT THE
BEST WAY TO SHOW ONE STICK IS
CROOKED IS TO LAY A STRAIGHT
STICK DOWN NEXT TO IT.
A PANEL OF SENIOR AND RESPECTED
CHIEF JUDGES COULD PROVIDE THAT
STRAIGHT STICK.
EVEN ON AN ADVISORY BASIS, THE
STRAIGHT STICK WOULD BE VALUABLE
AND WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE
WORKING BOTH ON THE JUDICIARY
AND FINANCE COMMITTEES TO GET TO
THE BOTTOM OF THE MISCHIEF AT THE COURT
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Re: Upside-down flag flew at Justice Alito’s house on Januar

Postby admin » Thu Jun 06, 2024 3:58 am

'At worst he's outright lying': Alito ex-neighbor at center of flag dispute speaks out
by Eric Burnett
CNN
Jun 5, 2024 #CNN #news

CNN's Erin Burnett speaks with Emily Baden, the former neighbor of Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito, about their dispute that Alito says led his wife, Martha-Ann Alito, to hoist controversial flags in response to her exchange with Baden. #CNN #news



Transcript

Thanks so much, Emily, for
taking the time
and coming out to talk about this.
I know it's
not something
you really expected to ever have to do,
but I want to start with
the dispute itself
with Martha and Alito, Justice
Alito's wife.
I know it
began after the 20, 20 election
over yard signs
that you had placed at your mother's home
where you were living at the time.
Can you start off by
just explaining to me
what those
those first yard signs you put out said
Yes.
And Aaron,
thank you so much for having me today.
My first yard sign that I put up
was an anti-Trump sign.
It said F Trump
in glitter cursive letters.
And, you know, it was just as like
a message to the world that
I see Trump as a danger to our democracy.
And I see him
as a self-proclaimed fascist.
Like he said, he wanted to be a dictator.
On day one of his presidency.
And so I just use my small influence
in my small corner of the world to just,
you know, broadcast my views like that.
All right.
So you put the f trump sign out
in glitter. And Mrs.
Alito
responds right so tell me about that.
What she how she reacted
Yeah.
So there were a handful of times that we
somewhat interacted, like,
not actually speaking, but,
you know,
she kind of stopped in front of the house
and gave us a long glare.
And I just want to emphasize
that the interaction
that happened on February 15th
is the one that
they're using as an excuse
for why they flew the flag.
And I really want to hammer home
the fact that that happened
on February 15th.
And their flag went up
two or three weeks before that.
So even if it were a valid excuse
that they were having a dispute
with a neighbor
and that made them put the flag up,
the that timeline just disproves it.
It just doesn't make sense.
No, it doesn't.
And I want to
I want to go to that in in detail.
But but first, just the very basic.
When you put up the F Trump sign
and she walks by and she glares.
Did you really?
Had you ever talked to her before?
Did you realize that this was Mary?
This was Martha and Alito?
Yeah.
So when I moved back to
the area in 20, 20,
I did know that the Alito's lived
in the neighborhood.
I didn't know which house.
I didn't know what they looked like.
And so it didn't take me
long, though,
to put two and two together.
And to realize
when she's standing outside.
So you realize
that she's upset about this.
So then when January six happens,
I my understanding
is and correct me if I'm wrong here,
because I'm try to make sure
I have all the timeline right as well.
But you then added a yard sign
Trump is a fascist, which just indicated
you feel that way.
And you are complicit.
And I want to ask you
about those specifically
because Justice Alito
says that those specific signs
you are fascist
and I'm sorry, Trump is a fascist
and you are complicit
were, quote, directed at his wife,
were they?
Yeah.
No, no.
So January 6th was a dark day
for our democracy.
And I think people of all ideologies
feel that way.
We all saw this direct
threat to our democracy.
And it was chilling.
And so my putting up a sign
that says Trump is a fascist
because I believe that he's
a self-proclaimed fascist
and you are complicit.
You include everyone.
It includes
everybody in the GOP
who you know, endorsed this or didn't
say anything against it or
Trump himself
who said, you know, stand by and
just it's to everyone.
And I
also think it's to,
you know,
people on on my side of the spectrum,
it's like,
what are we really doing
to hold these people accountable
for this attempted coup and insurrection?
Like, we need to do more, I feel like.
And so, okay,
so now let me get to the Upside-Down
American flag
because and to go through this
in a bit of detail,
because I think here is where
your point
about what he is alleging happened
here does not comport with the timeline
so the flag is flying.
Justice Alito says his wife flew it
because she was, quote,
greatly distressed
by her disputes with you.
And in a letter
to explaining his motivation
to put up the flag,
he says, and I quote him again,
Emily, a house on the street
displayed a sign
attacking her personally.
I guess that's the you are complicit or,
you know,
that you were just talking about,
but that you say was not directed at her.
And a man who was living in the house
at the time
trailed her all the way down the street
and berated her in my presence
using foul language,
including what I regard
as the vilest epithet
that can be addressed to a woman,
which is the key word.
Now, let me just break this down, animal.
You say it was you who said those things.
It was not your now husband.
But you say Alito is lying here
for another very basic reason.
Can you explain
So
I am at best
he's mistaken,
but at worst, he's just outright lying.
And there was a neighbor
who even who even witnessed this
and witnessed me using that
unfortunate term.
And what else I said in that interaction
is so important
and I hope it's not getting forgotten
in the discourse around the word.
In that interaction,
she approached us, started screaming
at us, used all of our full names,
which to me felt like a threat.
Because you're a stranger.
We don't know you.
You don't know us.
How do you know our full names?
And I just
I started yelling, How dare you?
Because they both were there
at the same time.
I said, How dare you?
You're on the highest court in the land.
You represent the Supreme Court
of the United States.
You're behaving this way.
You're yelling at a neighbor.
You're harassing us.
How dare you? Shame on you.
And I
did use the the word so
if that in any way, you know, distracts
from that real message,
I do regret using the word
because the message is important.
It's like
the power imbalance between
these people and me.
I am.
I'm nobody to them. So.
And the fact they took umbrage with with
my sign is telling enough.
It shows like a bias.
So, I mean.
Well, I mean, I want to talk about that.
But just to be very clear
on the timing, he's
saying that that she put up the flag
because you said those things.
But when we look at that was actually
you called 911 on that day.
There's actually a police report
about that incident.
And that shows
that the timing doesn't work. Right.
The flag was up
before the flag picture
that exactly why was was was weeks before
that incident actually happened
where you called
where you calling for that work?
So what he's saying
here, you're saying it
best mistaken,
but it certainly is just it's
categorically by the date, it's not true.
Right.
She didn't put the
flag up for that reason.
Absolutely.
100%.
And that's
what I want to really drive
home to people,
is that this happened on February 15th.
And we know that
because they had been harassing
us so long that we were like,
we need a paper trail of this.
Like we better call the cops right now.
You know, like I said,
these are federally protected people.
They have security detail.
They represent the judicial system.
They are the law.
And I am just a regular person.
And so it's,
you know,
yeah, we call the cops that day.
It was February 15th
and I think the photo of the flag
was on January 17th.
Yes.
So so that the timing doesn't add up.
I do think it's important, Emily,
just to emphasize here that
this is happening between
you, your husband, your
your household and
a Supreme Court justice and his wife.
And a police report is called.
I mean, it is pretty stunning.
Just even think about that.
Can I just ask you about your interaction
with him? He's there.
He says this happened in his presence.
Was this altercation
where you're saying
she was screaming at you
with your full name
and you responded with the the C word.
What did he do?
What did he say?
He didn't say anything.
And I find that very telling because
I feel like in any other situation,
somebody would step in.
If they see somebody
like accosting someone like that
and they would say, hey,
you know, ease up a little bit.
Let's let's go.
Let's walk down the street.
He didn't do anything.
He just kept walking
and basically disappeared.
Never said a word.
I mean.
So I want to ask you about
one other thing.
Around this time,
the Alito security detail
started doing something
that you perceived as threatening.
They have a security detail
and something specific happened.
What was it? Yeah.
So they have a security detail
that parks in front of their house
or like in front of the house
across the street from them.
We are four or five houses away.
And sometimes
that detail would be
in front of our house, which,
you know, obviously,
I can't say for sure.
I don't know what their motivation was,
but we did take it as intimidating,
especially when that same car reappeared
in front of our house
the day the New York Times
article came out.
And I don't know what else we're
supposed to get from that,
but you certainly felt you
certainly felt threatened.
And let me let me just ask you, Emily,
you know,
you're talking before this,
and I think I don't want to say anything
inappropriate,
but I know you were nervous to talk.
You were
you thought about this long
and hard to decide
whether you
thought it was worthwhile to speak out.
Why do you think it is so important
that you tell this story
I think it is monumentally important.
I think our democracy is fragile.
And we learned that on January 6th and
we see it all the time
with people like Trump
who say they want to be a dictator.
These are serious, serious things.
And I just want people, regular people
like myself
to understand that we live in a democracy
and we don't have to
we don't have to watch our democracy
become a dictatorship.
Or a fascist, you know,
Christian nationalist society.
Like, we need to pay attention.
We need to stand up organize and resist.
All right.
Well, Emily,
I appreciate your time
and thank you so much for talking to me.
It's really my pleasure.
Thank you so, so much.
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