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Can I please go ahead
and as I said before to any victims we ask them to come forward to our
office and we want to work with them. I have never not worked with a victim and I believe I've actually spoken to
several of them. Madam if I can reclaim my time me I can reclaim my time. I just think we
start out by making sure those redactions are unredacted. those Epstein files to make sure that
the public, according to the law, following the law, that those names in
those files are made public. We have to make sure we tell those predators there is no place for them to hide and if they
commit the crime, they're going to fry for it. It starts with showing us the names of the perpetrators in the Epstein
files. May I respond to that? Sure. Okay. So if any man's name was redacted
that should not have been, we will of course unredact it. If a victim's name
was unredacted, please bring it to us and we will redact it. We were given 30
days to review and redact and unredact
millions of pages of documents. Our error rate is very low. The victims are
right behind you. We've got to convince them that we're doing a good job. Everything we can protect victims. We
will do everything we can. Out of time. Gentleman yields back. The gentleman from California, Mr. Kylie, is
recognized. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Uh good morning, Madam Attorney General. I wanted to return to a point uh that the chairman
raised at the beginning of this hearing uh which is these jurisdictions uh that refuse to offer to honor detainer
requests from immigr immigration and customs enforcement often called sanctuary uh jurisdictions. Uh now I
know that you are not involved directly in immigration operations per se but you do deal with the legal issues uh
surrounding these jurisdictions. So let's say we have someone who's here illegally uh who has committed a crime
that like the thousands of people you mentioned in California, murderers, sexual predators, uh drug traffickers.
if that individual is uh in detention in a jurisdiction that has a sanctuary policy where they do not honor ICE
detainers versus uh in a any other jurisdiction where they do. How does the
nature of uh apprehending that person? How does the nature of ISIS's involvement in that operation differ in
those two circumstances? Well, I believe you've seen that in Minnesota where um where people were not
cooperating with us. I believe there a lot of local law enforcement did want to cooperate, but we are doing everything
in our power to arrest and deport illegal criminal aliens. And that is not
going to stop under Donald Trump's administration. You know why sanities
are so dangerous? What we've seen in Minneapolis, where do all the criminals go? The crim the gangs, TDA, MS13, where
are they going to go? they're going to go to a sanctuary jurisdiction because they believe they're protected and that's not fair to the citizens of those
cities. Yeah. And this is a point that there at least used to be a lot of consensus on uh the idea that you know it's better to
do uh a handoff to the immigration authorities in a custodial setting rather than releasing them where they
have to be apprehended in the community. This is Alejandra Morcus when he was before this committee. Uh not exactly a
paragon of uh border security. Uh but he said, "I do not consider it in the service of public safety to release an
individual into the community when that individual can be released to immigration and customs enforcement for
prompt removal." Now, his words are one thing. His actions are another. Uh but when you have jurisdictions across the
country, including my state of California, doing systematically precisely the thing that even Alejandra
Mayorca said threatens public safety, I mean, what does that say to you?
It's a danger to the citizens of your community. and thank you for fighting to protect them.
Absolutely. And you know, we're having this conversation right now in relation to homeland security funding. And I believe there are some common sense
reforms that have been proposed that folks on both sides uh would agree makes sense. But those reforms have to go hand
inand with reforming this reckless practice of refusing to cooperate,
refusing to honor detainers, and declaring oneself to be a sanctuary. So, I'm hoping that we can find bipartisan
support for what has long been a bipartisan principle. uh want to go to a second topic which is the school board
uh memo uh which uh I know that you have uh rescended and uh it was initially uh
promulgated by attorney general uh Garland when uh he came into office with
President Biden uh essentially opening an investigation into parents who were showing up at schoolboard meetings and
uh and expressing their views on COVID policies, mass various other uh issues
uh and using the full apparatus of federal law enforcement and counterterrorism uh to go after these
parents. Now, he said this was because there was an increase of threats, but when uh even his own FBI director,
Christopher Ray, was before this committee, he said there was no evidence of an increase in threats. Yet, nevertheless, when I asked him if he
regretted the memo, uh Attorney General Garland said there was absolutely nothing wrong with the memo. Now, I take
it you disagree with that, having now rescended it. Absolutely. That was One of the main
focuses of President Trump and this administration, we will protect parents at school boards. We will protect
children in schools. We will protect parents rights for their children's education in our school system in this
country. We will protect Christians. We will protect everyone who wants to
freely protest. If Christians want to protest in front of an abortion clinic without being arrested, they will do so.
Thank you very much. And uh and finally uh I thank you for your efforts to step up uh the detection and rooting out of
fraud. Uh my home state is California. Any idea if there might be any fraud going on in California?
Well, we are establishing as you have heard um a fraud unit and I'm sorry you're having to deal with that in your
state, but the Calvary is coming and we have Colin McDonald who is hopefully will be confirmed soon. We're working on
Minneapolis. I don't know if you were sitting here when I said that, but California was um was right up there.
I'm sorry to say for both sides of the aisle that California is right up there with fraud. It's it's out of control,
but we are coming to your rescue. Donald Trump is coming to the rescue. Well, thank you very much. And unfortunately, I think you'll find that
what's happening in California pales in comparison to what's been going on in Minnesota. Uh thank you. I yield back. Gentleman yields back. The gentleman
from Maryland's recognized. Um actually, I think the gentle lady from Pennsylvania from Pennsylvania is
recognized. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Miss Bondi, I'm here. On September 25th, President Trump
signed a memorandum known as NSPM7 purporting to address domestic
terrorism. But Americans across the political spectrum were immediately alarmed by the memo's blurring of the
line between unlawful conduct and constitutionally protected speech and
activity as well as its call to investigate, prosecute, and dismantle
groups that the president and Steven Miller described without evidence as
quote an organized campaign of radical left terrorism. Now, counterterrorism
experts were further alarmed by the administration's singular focus on left-wing extremism, combined with the
sudden deletion from the DOJ website of decades of research and law enforcement
analysis, which had concluded that right-wing extremism possesses poses the
greatest terrorism threat to Americans. The president's memo broadly and vaguely
links violent conduct to ideologies and it targeted specifically anti-American,
anti-Christian, and anti- capitalist beliefs as well as quote hostility to
so-called traditional American views on family religion and morality end quote.
President Trump has repeatedly and openly, however falsely, tried to brand his political opponents with these
sentiments listed in his memo. But as you know as a lawyer, holding beliefs
that the White House disagrees with is not a crime. And the statute defining
domestic terrorism requires criminal acts, not just thoughts and ideas. That's why legal experts, nonprofit
leaders, religious freedom, and civil rights advocates immediately raised the alarm that the new presidential
directive was a politically motivated attack on civil society designed to
silence those who disagree with the administration. So, Miss Bondi, section
three of that memo directed you as attorney general to submit to the
president and Steven Miller a list of groups or entities whose members are engaged in acts that meet the definition
of domestic terrorism. And then on December 4th, you directed the FBI to
work with a variety of law enforcement uh entities to compile a list of groups
and entities engaged in such acts. by January 3rd, 2026, and to update that
report every 30 days thereafter. So, can we assume that you or persons under your
direction at at the Department of Justice have prepared that list of
groups or entities who are designated as domestic terrorist organizations? And I just remind you that's a yes or no
question. Did you I'm not going to answer it yes or no. But what I what I will say is I know
Antifa is part of that. I will I will talk to you about that. Reclaiming my time as 2020 anifa member was arrested
in Minneapolis. Did you I ask a question and don't want an
answer this the answer is yes time belongs to the gentle lady from Pennsylvania gentle lady can proceed. Okay. So,
will you commit to providing this committee with any list of organizations
that you have recommended be designated as domestic terrorist organizations?
We will comply with the law in all matters. Will you commit to provide this
committee with your list of um entities that you recommend be um designated as
domestic terrorist organizations? I'm not going to commit to anything to
you because you won't let me answer questions. Okay. Well, then we do understand that your current position is that you have a
secret list of people or groups that you are accusing of domestic terrorism, but
you won't share it with Congress. And I'd remind you that when the US government designates an entity as a
foreign terrorist organization, it must report that to Congress and to the entity because
the government can make a mistake and the entity has the opportunity to contest it. So your position seems to be
that if you falsely designate an American or an American organization as a terrorist group, there's nothing they
can do about it. I think we get it. You don't want to answer the question.
No, you don't get anything regarding public safety. Thank you. Nothing. Thank you for the insult. It's clear you
didn't come to Congress prepared to answer questions that the American people have every right to have
answered. But if you were to prepared to answer truthfully, here's what we expect the facts to show. The administration is
keeping lists of Americans who the White House says are engaged in domestic terrorism. Those lists could include
Americans who have not committed any acts of terrorism but simply degree disagree with this administration,
people like Renee Good and Alex Prey. And your list may include clergy,
elected officials, and members of um indivisible groups across the country. And those lists likely don't include
Proud Boys or Oathkeepers who were actually convicted. Americans have never
tolerated political demagogues who use the government to punish people on an enemy's list. It brought down McCarthy
brought down Nixon will bring down this administration as well. You're right back. That's why we're so
glad they rescended the memorandum targeting parents. for goodness sake, as the gentleman from
California just pointed out in his five minutes. The gentleman from Kentucky is recognized.
May I respond very briefly to her statement? Well, I think we can do that probably on
uh one of our one of our members. Okay. Thank you. I don't want that to get away. Thank you. Y thank you, Mr. Chairman. Behind me, I
have three documents from the DOJ production that are emblematic of the massive failure of the DOJ to comply
with the Epstein Files Transparency Act. To my right is an email that was sent by
the victim's lawyers to the DOJ. It was a list of names not to redact or sorry,
a list of names not to release. What did the DOJ do with this email? They
released this email in the document production. Literally the worst thing
you could do to the survivors, you did. And they're getting phone calls. A lot
of these people didn't want to be known. And we know you touched the document
because you redacted one name and you redacted the lawyer's name, but you left the survivor's name there. The next
document I want to show you in that was in the title, the victim's survivors
names. All right, the title of this one is child sex trafficking co-conspirators
fully redacted. And by the way, going to unredact them
here. Les Wexner is in this now. Your assistant de your deputy attorney
general said, "Oh, well, he appears hundreds of times in the files, but he
doesn't appear in this file until I forced you to release it." Where he's listed as a co-conspirator,
not to tax evasion, but to child sex trafficking, not to prostitution, not to
moneyaundering, child sex trafficking. And then finally, what we have here is
the third exhibit that I have is emblematic of the FD302 release. These
are the documents that we need that you're holding on to and overredacting because they have the names of the men
who are implicated. How do we know? Because the the survivors gave testimony
to the FBI and it's in there. And what happens when you go to the portal at the
DOJ to look at what's behind this redaction? Another redaction. So, we
can't even see them. And then there's some of these files you've pulled down from the website that we will never see
because we can't search the redactions. So, I have several questions for you.
Who's responsible? Are you able to track who in your organization made this
massive failure and released the victim's names? Are you able to track who it was that obscured Les Wexner's
name as a co-conspirator in an FBI document? Do you have that kind of
accountability? I believe Wexner's name was listed more
than 4,000 times about I had Yeah, I already told you that. This is where he's listed as a
finish my answer. Come on, let me finish my answer. We corrected that within 40
minutes. He was already You're acting like everybody's trying to cover up Wexner's name. Reclaiming Reclaiming my
time. I'm gonna answer this question. Reclaiming my time. Mr. Chairman, this is how this works. Can I have my time?
He was He was Mr. Chairman. The gentle lady can can give her answer. The time belongs to the gentleman from
All right. I'm reclaiming my time. Can I give my answer? So, I'm going to put the language of the bill up on the screen.
Chairman on that political joke and I need to give my answer on that. Let we'll let
the we'll let the attorney general respond and then the gentleman can move to question. It's my turn. Within 40 minutes, you asked me a
question. Within 40 minutes, Wexner's name was added back. Within 40 minutes of me catching you
red-handed. Red hand. There was one redaction out
and we invited you in. We This guy has Trump derangement syndrome. He needs to
get You're a failed politician. I want you to watch the chairman. Please restore his time and remind the witness
of there is no credible information. None. If there were, I would bring the
case yesterday that he trafficked to other individuals. Is that your position as well?
My position is any victim who comes forward, of course, we would love to
hear from them. 1800 call FBI. Did you ask Merritt Garland that the last four
years? Did you talk about Epstein? I am reclaiming my time. I'm glad you're asking about Mary Garland. This is
bigger than Watergate when I don't answer question. This goes over four administrations. You
don't have to go back to Biden. Let's go back to Obama. Let's go back to George Bush. This cover up spans decades and
you are responsible for this portion of it. And that's where I want to know at
what point at what point did the FBI and the DOJ decide that Lex
Westerner was not a co-conspirator? Because our Epstein Files Transparency
Act requires you please put it back on the screen. He's to release the internal decision
about whether to prosecute him or not. And it's not in the files. And it's not in the files for any of these other men.
time of the gentleman has. May she answer and he's a hypocrite because he voted
against the ban that we were talking about on deep fake AI porn. Only two
people voted against it and you were one of them, hypocrite. The uh the gentleman's time has expired.
The She didn't answer the question. Mr. Chairman, I Mr. Chairman, could she answer the question? Chairman, I was wondering
the gentle lady's allowed the attorney general is allowed to respond the way she wants to respond to any member's questions. Republican, Democrat.
All right. I have unanimous consent request. Gentleman's recognized for a UC. All right. This is an example. I'm I'm
submitting these 302 forms that are entirely redacted. Even when you go to look at them.
Without objection. I'm submitting a witness statement that implicates Les Wexner.
Without objection. I'm submitting an article from the New York Times. The DOJ released nude photos
and identifiable pictures of the victims. I'm submitting a letter from AG Bondi to
Cash Patel imploring him to quit keeping the files
when you found out that they were keeping files from you because they're still redacting files
that you chairman. Are we going to recess for votes? Yes, we are. I'm submitting for unanimous consent a
document of 17 individuals who've resigned because of the Epstein files. Without objection.
Just want to check on what time what time uh how much time we have left in votes. But one thing I've learned here of late that they'll wait on this. Uh
how much time do we have? Oh, they just called. Okay. Uh the chair
now recognizes the gentleman from Maryland. And thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh, I want to start by saying I appreciate what you
said, Attorney General Bondi, and you've said it to me personally, uh, that you take the personal security of every
member of Congress seriously and that people can contact you about that. And in these times, that's a very serious
matter. So, I thank you for that. Um, article 2, section 1, clause 7 of the
constitution is the domestic emalance clause. And it says that the president
is limited to his salary in office and cannot receive any other money from the
federal government while he's in office. It cannot be increased by $1. This
president is the first president in US history who has repeatedly sued the federal government, sued the federal
government for $230 million uh for the judicial search warrant at Mara Lago,
which was perfectly lawful and was never struck down. But now he's suing the IRS for10 billion dollar. He's suing the IRS
for $10 billion, which I think is around 80% of its annual budget. Um because his
tax returns were leaked and they were illegally leaked by a private contractor who actually is in prison now, Charles
Little John. But he wants $10 billion. Now, um, well, I I want to I want to ask
you the question of whether you think it would violate the domestic emolments clause for you to settle that $10
billion case or any of the other, uh, claims that the president's made against the government. He himself has remarked,
uh, it's interesting because I'm the one that makes the deal, right? And he says, I kind of have to work it out with
myself. Do you think it would violate the domestic imalments clause for the president to work out a deal from people
or his subordinates under his unitary executive theory to get money in one of these cases?
I'm not going to discuss pending litigation. Okay. So, theoretically, you're saying
uh because his uh privacy rights were violated uh in that tax case and they
were. I'm with the president on that. I mean, his Mara Lago thing is ridiculous, but there's no doubt that his tax
returns, despite the fact that he promised to release them, despite the fact that every other president released the tax returns, uh, he suffered
embarrassment when it showed that he hadn't paid taxes for several years, and he had a right for that not to happen.
Now, I want to turn back to the Epstein survivors because President Trump may have been a little bit embarrassed by
the release of those uh, tax returns. How much do you think the claims of
these survivors are worth? As um the good congressman from Kentucky just
pointed out, there were lots of survivors who had decided for reasons of
their own never to release their names. That determination was represented to
people in Congress and we built it into our federal law that their names could not be released. And yet you published
their names, their phone numbers, their addresses, personally identifying information. If Donald Trump can get $10
billion theoretically from the Department of Justice, how much should these people get for a far worse
violation of their privacy rights and a far greater danger established to them in their lives?
Do you even know who Chase Mulligan is? You're so obsessed with You don't do you. I'm going to teach you the rules again.
You're the attorney general of the United States. We have rules here with him. You're the attorney general of the United States. Obsessed with Donald Trump. You have
Trump derangement syndrome. Mr. Chairman, I'd like my time restored. I'd like my time restored in your
district in your district and you don't even know about it about keeping children belongs to predators.
Time belongs to the gentleman from Maryland. Gentleman can proceed. Yeah. And I I just I want the whole
country to look at this because this is the attorney general of the United States whose job is law enforcement.
We've never had a witness who has misunderstood our rules and been unable to conform his or her conduct to our
rules before. We have only five minutes and so we use our time to ask you
specific questions. How long are you giving me? Excuse me. I I'm not yielding to you right now. I'd like that second
restored. So, Miss Bondi, the way it works is we ask you a question and you
answer it. And if you go off on a wild goose chase, another tangent, you start reading statistics or you start talking
about stuff going on our district. And by the way, I invite you to my district. Come to my district. But that's not what we're here to do today. Okay? So, and
you do that, then we're allowed to say we reclaim our time. At that point, you have to be quiet. You have no choice.
You have to be quiet. So, I hope you understand the rule of this point. Now, here's what I want to ask you.
You're in law enforcement. We've seen all kinds of evidence of crimes. And when we go over to the Department of
Justice for the four computers for every member of Congress, we see more evidence of crimes. Will you create a joint task
force of the Department of Justice and governors and state attorney generals and district attorneys across the
country to investigate the crimes that have taken place against these victims and more than a thousand like them. The
DOJ is not doing its job. Will you create a task force with state and local law enforcement to make that happen?
Gentle lady can respond. She wants to. Thank you, chairman. He called Chase
Mulligan a wild goose chase and didn't even know who he was. He is a defendant in your own district who prayed on
girls. Mr. Chairman, well, you know what? If he were part of the Epste investigation, you wouldn't do anything about it. online chat rooms and
committed sexion. Yet he didn't even know in your tiny little district who he was. Mr.
Chairman, she's embarrassing you. About to be This is your committee and she is embarrassing me. The time of the gentleman has expired. I
would remind the committee that last Congress, Secretary of Mystics was here numerous times and he wouldn't answer
our questions even when we sent them to him ahead of time in writing. So that's
what we've had to deal with. I think the attorney general is doing just fine. We have votes shortly. I will go to the
gentleman from Virginia and then we will take a a break to head to the floor. I I thank the chairman, Attorney General
Bondi. Thank you for being here and I wanted to thank you for your work at DOJ
in restoring the rule of law. uh encouraging transparency surrounding Jack Smith's partisan investigations
into President Trump, declassifying information about the Russia collusion hoax, um cracking down on sanctuary
jurisdictions, and establishing the National Fraud Enforcement Division. Let me first go to securing the border and
immigration enforcement. Our new governor has recently rescended 287G
cooperation between the state and ICE. Uh can you talk about have you evaluated the public safety impact? How that would
affect um safety in Virginia to withdraw that support and what that would do uh
to activity criminal activity involving illegal immigrants in Virginia?
Yes, it would be detrimental. And and as as you know, Congressman, we one of the top members of MS13 in the entire
country was living in Virginia. Yeah. In a suburb um
among all of us, living not even probably half an hour away from where we are now. and the cooperation
previously um with the governor with the members um
the members of of the state of Virginia helped catch him and take him off our
streets. an illegal MS-13, one of the heads for the entire country was living
in Virginia. And and it's a shame that that's happening now. And and and thank you for bringing it talking about it
because um we're going to keep America safe. And and when people feel like they
can flee to these cities and states and be safe, they can't because Donald Trump
is going to protect Americans. We're going to protect the citizens there whether or not the governors, the mayors
are going to do it or not. But President Trump is we're going to keep Americans safe from violent gang members like he's
been doing this last year. We appreciate that. We appreciate your your work to make that happen in Virginia and keep Virginia safe. Uh I
want to move on to the fraud enforcement division that you've established. Uh my understanding is that this initiative is
intended to centralize coordinate enforcement of fraud laws related to government programs. You've talked about Minnesota, you've talked about
California. Would this affect Virginia as well? Because we have fraud in Virginia as well.
Absolutely. And we um look forward to working with you. Would this affect things like um
long-term care accountability, senior living facilities engaged in Medicaid fraud, including systemic overbilling
practices, and the misappropriation of taxpayer funded benefits. That is exactly what it's set up to help.
Okay. I know that uh whether it was related to fraud specifically or another
subject that under the Biden administration there was um a sitting
member of the Virginia General Assembly under investigation. Is that investigation still ongoing?
Can you speak to that? I can't discuss that. Okay. I'm going to move on to
uh the Second Amendment rights of law- abiding Americans. Uh last year,
President Trump signed the one big beautiful bill into law which uh included the Hearing Protection Act,
part of it that was sponsored by myself and and Congressman Clyde. Um it reduced the National Firearms Tax, $200 tax on
suppressors and shortbarreled firearms to zero. And while the tax has been eliminated, uh the NFA's registration
and paperwork requirements were made in effect. and your uh your DOJ has said
that that would even though the tax was reduced to zero um that the registration
requirement is still uh somehow necessary even though with regard to um
Obamacare and the Affordable Care Act when that mandate was uh when that tax
penalty was reduced to zero you decided that the mandate was no longer necessary. How are you How are you
justifying the existence of this registry, Congressman? That's pending um
litigation right now. It is. It is. And I would hope you would reconsider you would reconsider that.
I yield back. Gentlemen, yield. I yield to the chairman. I think I think that uh Attorney General Bondi, why did Jack Smith have to pay
some secret source $20,000 of taxpayer money? Do you know the answer to that?
I can't discuss um anything on that matter, but that's a good question. Chairman Jordan,
a good well said it's a good question because he subpoenaed just about every Republican in this town. Got half the
Congress's phone numbers if you were a Republican. He has to pay some secret source a bunch
of taxpayer money. We'd like to know the committee like to know how many other sources he paid. Was it more than
$20,000? Why he had to do those thing? We'd like to know when you can if you could get that information to the
committee. I think when you think about the guy who was trying to put the president of the United States in prison,
ridiculous as that whole thing was, we'd kind like to know the answer to that if you could. And with that, we're going to stand in recess. We will go as quickly
as we can and vote. We have two quick votes on the floor. We will be back. There is actually some lunch if you all
need it. We have for our members. And since you're back here, you can have some. We we normally have plenty. Mr. Chairman, we'll take a recess. Before we before
you gave out, can I ask for unanimous consent to enter to a record the article entitled uh inside Trump's DOJ dated
October 16th, 2020? Without objection, we stand in recess.
And the gentleman from uh Colorado is recognized for five minutes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. here.
Attorney General Bondi, six days ago, you posted online, quote, "If you come
for law enforcement, the Trump administration will come for you." End quote. I want to show you just a brief
video. It's about 30 seconds and I'll ask you a couple questions about disgusting, man. You guys are
disgusting. I'm former I'm former law enforcement. You're disgusting. You are the Nazi. You are the gesturer. You
can't see it because you're chasing pinching, right? pension. You're retirement, right? That's what runs your life, your retirement.
The sad thing is they're not even gonna get their pension because it's gonna be your shame on
Attorney General Bondi, that man works for you now, right?
Who was that, Congressman? The man in that video, the one who was in the police warn body
cam footage, the one allegedly yelling kill him at police officers on January
6th. His name is Jared Weise. He does work for us. He works for you at the Department of Justice.
He does. This is an individual whom a federal grand jury indicted for two felonies and
four misdemeanors related to his participation in the attack on January 6th. One of
those charges was forcibly assaulting, resisting, opposing, impeding, intimidating, and interfering with police with the intent to commit another
felony. This is who you choose as the chief law enforcement officer of
the United States of America to hire at the Department of Justice. Someone on video
yelling kill him at police officers. Right. I believe he was pardoned by President
Trump. Oh, he was pardoned. You're right. You're right. Pardoned by President
Trump for his offense. Pardoned for yelling kill him at police officers. And
yet you expect hardworking police officers across the country to believe that you take law enforcement seriously.
You could imagine the reaction of so many folks across the country hearing
the chief law enforcement officer of the United States refuse to even condemn what that individual
whom you've now hired did. But in any event, let's talk a
little bit about some of the other divisions within the Department of Justice and what's happened over the last year. You're familiar with the
public integrity section of the DOJ's criminal division. I think it's referred to as PIN. Is that right?
Yes. Okay. Do you know which presidential administration under which the PIN was first created?
I can tell you what administration that the weaponization was ended under. I'll reclaim my time. This wasn't a
trick question. You don't get to reclaim your time. Madam Attorney General, because I don't like Mr. Chairman, will you explain to the witness that that he does reclaim his
time? Because I don't answer a question to your satisfaction, Mr. Chairman. Madam Attorney General, the time belongs to the gentleman from
Colorado. The president under which PIN was created was Gerald Ford. It was created
after Water. I'm not asking a question. Madam Attorney General, the administration under which it was created was Gerald Ford. When you first
started as the attorney general of the United States, there were 35 people working in that office. There are now two people working in that office
because you have gutted it. How many people work for the National Cryptocurrency Enforcement Team in the
Criminal Division today? Can I answer the question about PEN?
I've asked you a question. How many people asked you a question, but you don't How many people work for the National
Cryptocurrency Enforcement Team? You won't answer. How many? I'll answer PEN. You
will not be actually You know what? What's funny about this? I'll say to the chairman, what's funny about this, chairman? You know what the answer is?
And I think the I understand why does not want to answer the question because you eliminated the national cryptocurrency enforcement team last
year. So I understand why you don't want to tell the American people who works there. No one understand why you don't want to talk about Mohamad Solomon in
your district. In any event, Mr. Chairman, will you stop the clock so his time is not wasted by the witness?
Very generous with allowing extra time when we have these little disputes. I understand you got the time. I might as well ask
the chairman these questions because what is your question? What's profound? The questions I've asked
the crime in your asked, Mr. Chairman, are not trick questions. They're not
gotcha questions. They're actually basic questions about how the Department of Justice functions and the unwillingness
of this attorney general to answer them in good faith. When a member of Congress
asks how many people work at the National Cryptocurrency Enforcement Team and the attorney general refuses to
answer it, it is not a coincidence. It's because she eliminated the team.
Why? Because her boss, the president of the United States, is making money hand
over fist, $1.4 billion dollars over the course of the last year through cryptocurrency holdings. I think what is
happening at the Department of Justice is a disgrace. Mr. chairman and I would
urge you to gain control of this hearing. With that, I yield back the balance of
my time. Yeah. I I I would ask the gentleman, does he agree with the standing up of
the deputy attorney general for dealing with fraud? That's something that's happened in this administration. First
time you talked about PIN, uh that happened with this justice department. We're talking about this committee. Mr. Chairman, had you answered the
question in had the attorney general answered the question in that way? Perhaps this hearing would have some
modicum of resembling something that has typically been fairly conventional, an
oversight hearing of the Department of Justice. Gentleman's time is expired. The the the gentle lady from Wyoming uh is
recognized for five minutes. Attorney General Bondi, I want to express my gratitude to the president,
you and your team for your continued efforts against extreme anti-energy policies taken by states and cities that
serve only to increase costs on the American people. This is an issue of great concern for Congress as well as
the consumers. At the behest of networks of non-governmental organizations and anti-growth activists, Democratic
controlled states and cities are enacting laws and pursuing coordinated lawsuits that would impose retroactive
liability on energy producers for past global emissions based on speculative
future climate change harms. The proponents of these plans call them climate super fund laws, but in reality
that is simply window dressing for taxes and fees imposed on consumers and businesses that don't even have a a
presence in these states or communities. But if you look at the billions of dollars they hope to gain from these
efforts, the real goal here is to increase their already mismanaged state budgets by imposing fees on consumers
and businesses in energy producing states such as the state of Wyoming. I would describe this as the tobacco
litigation on steroids. Vermont has enacted such a law and another has recently gone into effect in New York.
Similar laws are under consideration in a number of other states. Clearly, this problem is spreading. Would you agree
that Congress has not authorized states to impose retroactive liability against
energy producers and lawful carbon emissions? Yes. And would you also agree that
protecting consumers is a core part of the DOJ's mission? Absolutely. Would you further agree that combating
state policies that seek to hide and shift the true cost of programs like these uh uh onto consumers fits within
your mission? Yes. So, Attorney General Bondi, fossil fuels are the foundation of the US
economy, and the recent winter storms underscored that gas, coal, and oil remain essential to grid reliability and
heating our homes. Can you confirm that the DOJ is fully committed to using all available legal tools to stop these
state and local level attacks on domestic energy production? Congresswoman, we are committed to that
and so is the entire administration. We we talk about that a lot. Thank you. Thank you. The president's
April 2025 executive order directed the DOJ to identify and act against state
laws that burden the burden US energy production. What concrete actions has the DOJ and the administration more
broadly taken to carry out this directive? Well, we filed four lawsuits. We we are
filing multiple lawsuits. Many things are pending within this office to carry that out. Okay. States continue to invent new
causes of action to pursue state climate law fair as is evidenced by Michigan's recent novel claim related to antitrust
violations. The city of Boulder, Colorado has also filed such a lawsuit despite refusing my challenge that they
actually forego the use of fossil fuels if they I disagree with them so much. Does the Department of Justice agree
that these novel approaches require a federal response and will the Department pursue such an approach? Yes,
Congresswoman, and we'd be happy to talk to you more about that. Wonderful. Thank you. Multiple climate
lawsuits, multiple climate lawsuits are now advancing toward trial trial, even in
states that rely on those energy forms to provide heat and electricity for their citizens. In fact, in any
community that they all rely upon fossil fuels in some fashion, is the department
actively considering intervention to protect federal supremacy over interstate emissions and energy policy?
Yes, we'd be happy to discuss that with you. Thank you. And clearly, this is an area in which Congress has a role to play. To
that end, I'm working with my colleagues in both the House and Senate to craft legislation tackling both these state
laws and the lawsuits that could destroy energy affordability for consumers. To that end, are there any authorities or
tools that DOJ and the administration don't currently have at their disposal that would be helpful in that e effort
that Congress could adopt? Well, we work with multiple agencies throughout the administration, but I'd
be happy to talk to you about that more. Wonderful. Thank you. I appreciate your effort in this regard.
And may I have 20 seconds of your time before to address something? Yes. Thank you.
Your colleague um Senator Nagus Nagus um
didn't want to talk about crypto because he said I was a disgrace talking about
crypto because he didn't want to talk about the tremendous crime in his jurisdiction. He voted no on preventing
violence against women by illegal aliens. Yet on June 1st, 2025, Muhammad
Solomon attacked members of the group run for their lives in Boulder, Colorado, where an 82year-old woman
sustained burns on over half of her body and eventually died from her injuries.
I believe that she was a Holocaust survivor. She was by the time the time the gentle lady has
expired the uh gentle lady yields back and the gentle lady from uh Georgia is recognized.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Miss Bondi, as the Florida Attorney General, attorneys from
your office handled the appeal of my son Jordan Davis's murder, which was denied.
As a result of the efforts of those attorneys under your watch, the court actually upheld the life sentence for a
man who used prejudice as his defense for murdering my son and scarring his friends for life.
Attorneys from your office under your management worked hard to remove a
dangerous man from the community who terrorized innocent people like my son
and his friends. The compassion and respect that my family received throughout that ordeal
were critical in helping us keep faith in the rule of law and justice.
Based on my experiences, I have seen how strong victim services,
sustained investigations, and wellsupported prosecutors can make a meaningful difference in the lives of
families who are grieving and suffering. Miss Bondi, just yes or no. Would you
agree that government officials should be respectful and supportive of victims
families as they mourn? First, Congresswoman, thank you for for
talking about that and I'm so very sorry for what happened to your family.
Thank you. And and yes, I agree with that with all victims, including the ones sitting behind us today. I absolutely do. And
also, thank you for voting yes on the Lake and Riley Act. Thank you for that. Thank you. Okay. So, your answer is why
the recent treatment of families in Minnesota raises really serious concerns for me. Because shortly after Mr. Alex
Prey was murdered, administration officials referred to him as an assassin and called Mr. Prey the definition of
domestic terrorism. They also lied about Mr. Prey holding a gun and threatening
officers. After Ms. Renee Good was murdered by ICE officials in Minneapolis. Administration officials
also accused her of being a domestic terrorist and investigated her wife in a
clear act of retaliation. The statement Mr. Py's mother made after the murder
resonated with me more than you'll ever imagine. She said that, and I'm quoting,
"The sickening lies told about our son by the administration are reprehensible
and disgusting." End quote. And I assure you, I know how it feels to hear lies
that are told to justify the taking of someone's son. They were used by my
son's murderer as a defense, and those lies still affect me today. He was
called a thug, and he was called a gang banger. And the attorneys from your office actually defended my son's name,
his memory, and defended his honor. I'm certain that Mr. Py's mother watched
videos of her son, Alex, an ICU nurse at the VA hospital, using his phone to
record federal agents. She also watched him getting pepper sprayed, kicked, hit in the head, and surrounded by at least
seven agents before having his gun removed from his waistband, which he legally carried.
And she watched second lers seconds later as two of those agents shot her son, Alex, at least 10 times. The
administration was quick to spew an incorrect narrative and call him so many things that they wanted us to ignore the
truth that we actually saw with our own eyes. Miss Bondi, will you denounce the
statements that were made to tarnish the names of Alex Prey and Renee Good? And
will you protect their names like those attorneys back in Florida under your
watch protected my son's name?
What I will say is we are looking at everything to shed light on what happened that day and it is an ongoing
and active investigation. Both of those cases and I assure you they will be investigated.
Investigating. We understand that. But will you do everything in your power as you have done for my case as you are
asked to do as you've sworn an oath to do. It is your responsibility to make
sure that you are following the rule of law. Those families in Minnesota res
they deserve the same respect. They deserve a full investigation which you have not even begin to do yet. So what
are you saying is that they don't deserve any respect for a full investigation into their murders.
Well, that is incompetence on your behalf. The American people do deserve
better. non-commmitment to defending the rule of law is what we see from you.
I will always stand up for survivors and I heard you say earlier when you told us that you will fight for them as well.
And based on the information before us, these families have not received the same commitment to investigate what happened to their loved ones. Nor have
they received the respect that I I would expect from the nation's top law enforcement officer. Investigations have
been slowwalked. They've been cancelled. and the special agent assigned to Renee Goods investigation resigned
following pressure from your officials to reclassify Miss V's case of the gentle
family seeking answers and accountability. The withdrawal of investigative resources simply unacceptable
expired. The gentle lady yields back the gentleman from California's rec. Uh thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh madam
attorney general, u I I I get the sense that we've lost a little perspective here. uh the most fundamental
responsibility of government is to protect the lives and property of its citizens. Now, you cited some crime
figures in your opening statement and I wonder if you could repeat them because I think it's one of the most extraordinary achievements of the
Department of Justice in our history and I don't think some of my colleagues heard you clearly.
Thank you, Congressman. And would you mind if I address something that that go Congresswoman Mcbath wouldn't let me
address first? Go right ahead. Uh the the reason that that she wants to continue to talk about
Minnesota, which we will all day long, is she doesn't want to talk about her own jurisdiction in Atlanta, because she
doesn't want to talk about Christopher Welchure who traveled across state lines to try to meet and nothing's funny about
this to meet and molest a 14-year-old girl in Georgia. That's why they're watching the clock. The American people
should know for the second it runs out because they don't want to address anything in their jurisdiction. They're
elected to represent people in their jurisdiction. We prosecuted illegal aliens who ran a largecale meth
operation in the Atlanta metro. You understand we don't prosecute, right, Miss Bundy?
Madam Attorney General, um I'm sorry. So, yes, the statistics I spoke of
earlier, Congressman, um under the leadership of the FB of the FBI,
historic work has been done. um a drop 20% in the na nationwide murder rate in
2025. Least murders in our country since 1900.
And that is to the work because of the credit. It's not just homicides, is it? It's also other violent crimes, robbery.
Could you go through that list real quick? Yes, Congressman. 100%
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What's that done to
the violent crime rate in the country? It's plummeting. 1,800. Wait a minute. Wait a second. Do you
mean to honestly tell us and you're under oath that if we take violent criminals off the streets, we end up
with less crime? I certainly hope so, Congressman. And
that's our goal. And that's that's an extraordinary concept. And I'm afraid it may be lost on some of our
Democratic colleagues of of I I I look at these numbers and they're absolutely staggering. It didn't happen by
accident. It happened because of specific policies that you've implemented this year. Would you and you
mentioned a few of them. Would you continue? Over 6,000 child victims located, 22%
increase. Over 1,700 child predators arrested, 10% increased. Over 300 human
traffickers arrested. Let me jump down to DEA right now. That was just FBI
under Terry Cole's leadership. And I I I talk to these people almost daily, our
directors, and the amazing work that they're doing in all of your jurisdictions on the left and the right,
working together to take drugs off our streets. Right. And and I assume that our Democratic colleagues, some of whom
represent some of our most crime plagued cities and communities, have thank you for this extraordinary accomplishment.
Thank you, Congressman. We've seized more than 9800 kilos of fentanyl and 47
million fentanyl pills. That affects every single person in this room.
Doesn't matter what political party you are. People, everyone in this room knows someone who's died from fentanyl. A
parent, a child, a sister, a brother, a friend, a neighbor, a relative. Everyone
here knows someone who has been impacted by that. That is the common ground that
I wish we could find to work together in this country to take these drugs off the
streets. And someone nodded with vapes. Well, in your opening statement, you said this historic success in protecting
the lives and poverty of Americans has occurred when when local governments have cooperated with you. Yes.
Let me ask you, what are the greatest impediments they're facing in bringing down crime across the country? Well,
when local governments of course do not cooperate with us. Um, and that's where
criminals flee in jurisdictions where they know they will be protected by local governments. And this is all about
working together. And we have shown that in what we did in DC, what we're doing in Memphis, working together with
Democrat mayors in these cities right here in DC. And very quickly if you
could tell us about the safe cities program and give us your read on what what cities that avail themselves of
this program can expect. Yes. So so so far of course we've been working in Washington DC right here to
do everything we can working hand inand with the mayor with Metro PD to keep
everyone safe in DC. And it's worked. It's been a tremendous effort. And now we're in Memphis working with the mayor
in Memphis as we talked about earlier doing everything we can. These are iconic cities in our country and we want
to help every city in this country who wants and ask for President Trump's help
to make America safe again. Gentlemen, Mr. Chair, I have seen
Let the record show that Democrat was applauding the attorney general's answer there. Uh
uh the unanimous consent. Yes, please. All right. The gentle is recognized. Mr. Chair, I have a few unanimous
unanimous consent requests. I would like to submit into the record this New York Times article titled Alex Freddy's and
family denounce sickening lies about his life. I also would like to submit this Daily Mail exclusive interview with uh
Vice President JD Vance titled JD Vance refuses to apologize to Alex Py's family after spreading ICE assassin claim. One
more. My last submission request is a New York Times article titled FBI agent
who tried to investigate ICE officer in shooting resigns. Without objection. Thank you. Uh the chair now recognizes a gentle
lady from North Carolina. Uh thank you, Mr. Chairman. Attorney General Bondi, I think you and
pretty much everybody else here and throughout the country believes that convicted sex offenders don't deserve
special treatment or privileges in prison. And yet, Galileain Maxwell,
Jeffrey Epstein's co-conspirator, received perk after perk in prison. In
July, she had a two-day interview with your deputy and President Trump's former
defense attorney, Todd Blanch. Just days after that, Maxwell was transferred from
a federal correctional institution in Florida to a minimum security camp in
Texas, which she as a sex offender would normally be ineligible for. At this new
facility, as the ranking member talked about, um, and by the way, it's nicknamed clubfed.
We've heard reports that she's been afforded special privileges, puppy time, private workouts, personal mail,
secretarial services. Um, Attorney General Bondi, does a convicted sex
offender like Elaine Maxwell deserve special treatment and prison in and privileges in prison? Yes or no?
Let me be crystal clear on this. No. And let me let me let me keep going. No, let me keep going. Perfect. Well, I
I did not know she was transferred. I asked you yesterday. She was not transferred to a lower.
Mr. Chairman, please stop the clock and remind the witness of the rules. One rule she needs to understand. I'm glad that we're agreeing. So, when
we're agreeing, we can move on to some other things. I want you to know that every time she
does get these perks and it's been publicly reported that her
the folks she's abused, the survivors who are sitting here, they see
themselves as being denied justice. they feel retraumatized and I'm glad that we
agree on that. But she should not be in that prison and she needs to be moved
back to a maximum security prison as as soon as possible. But what she has told
another committee here is that she won't cooperate with them unless she gets
clemency from Donald Trump. It's just crazy to consider that she can
be wielding this kind of influence within the administration.
But that begs the question, who ordered her to be transferred to the minimum
security prison that she was ineligible for? Who signed off on the special privileges?
Was it Mr. Blanch? Was it one of your other subordinates? So, please can you
tell us who sent her there since you don't agree she should be there?
I said I do not agree she should receive special treatment. She was transferred I learned after the
fact to the same level facility and that is a question for the Bureau of Prisons.
I was not involved in that at all. The same level facility. I don't know why, but you know, instead of talking about
Gerland Maxwell, who hopefully will die in prison, hopefully will die in prison, you talking about Arena Zerutka.
I have a couple of died on a subway, right? And I absolutely You don't talk about that. I have been talking about it and
actually helping with these issues. But we're going to move back to you. I bet we are. Yes, of course. Because you're here to
testify. That's what the whole point of this endeavor is. So, of course, we're
moving back to you. It is all about you. So, as we've heard, she she took the
fifth in response to every single question in that committee hearing and her lawyer
dangled the offer of clemency. Should Donald Trump pardon or commute
her sentence? Should she be released from prison? Yes or no? You said you
hope she dies there, so I'm hoping the answer is no. I already answered that question. Good. I'm very glad. I'd really like
this bipartisan agreement about agrees with you. But you don't want to talk
about Ireina Zerutska. You don't want to talk about I talk about a violent crime of
But I am not here to testify before Congress. You are. That is your job today. That's what you're getting paid
for with attack. Um, I want you to know that your your your own um DOJ employee,
he's recently been demoted and had some other problems, advises on pardons. Do
you think he will be advising Mr. Trump on any kind of clemency or pardon for
Elaine Maxwell? I'm not going to speculate. And you
couldn't even identify properly. That's why you don't want to talk about Ireina
Zeritzka. You couldn't properly identify her relative. I absolutely embarrassing
have been and her family by the way appreciates all of the condolences, all
of the help, everything that our law enforcement in North Carolina has been
doing to help her family. her family feels well treated. Thank you and I yield back.
Lady yields back. Gentleman from California is recognized. I'd ask unanimous consent to enter into the record an article by former attorney
general William P. Baritled Why Pam Bondi didn't publish all the Epstein files in 30 days? The answer is simple.
It was not possible. The Wall Street Journal. Well said. Uh without objection, the gentle lady from Florida is recognized.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. May madam I'm sorry. May may I respond 20 seconds to
to something that Congresswoman Ross said? Go right ahead. Thank you. She also opposed a sex
offender registry as head of North Carolina ACLU. Thank you.
Thank you, Madam Attorney General. And I'd like to pick up where you left off a moment ago because we convene here today
as a committee for the stated purpose of conducting oversight of the Department of Justice. And so it's critical for us
to focus first on the mission of the department and assess your success in
discharging it. So the mission of the department is to enforce federal law, defend the rule of law, and protect the
American people from violent crime, terrorism, drug trafficking, fraud, and exploitation to promote public safety.
And what we have heard today unequivocally is that President Trump's Department of Justice under your
leadership, Attorney General Bondi, is doing exactly that. Just a moment ago,
you shared with us some incredible statistics. That the United States under
your leadership has achieved the lowest murder rate in 125 years. That in the first year of
this administration, murder is down 21%. Robbery is down 23%, carjacking down
43%, and gun assault down 22%. That is what public safety looks like.
Under your leadership and that of President Trump, you've located more than 6,000 child victims of trafficking
and exploitation, arrested 1,700 child predators, and apprehended more than 300
human traffickers. Significant increases. And those aren't just statistics. Those are precious lives
that your department and the men and women of federal law enforcement have saved.
Madam Attorney General, you've mentioned a couple of specific criminal trends during this hearing that I'd like to
discuss with you further because one of our important roles in Congress is making sure that our laws and our law
enforcement stay ahead of predators as technology evolves. I lead legislation
in the House along with bipartisan co-sponsors on this committee to make
sex extortion a clearly defined criminal offense. We actually passed that out of the House of Representatives. Uh we have
a bill to promote Operation Renewed Hope to help rescue more child victims and the Defiance Act to provide legal
recourse to victims of deep fake AI intimate images. I would love to hear
your perspective and what you are seeing related to these technology-based
criminal trends, sexion and AI deep fakes. What are you seeing at the
Department of Justice? And why do you believe that efforts to combat these types of crimes are important
sextortion and thank you for supporting that congresswoman. I think that was a bipartisan effort actually. I I think
many of you on both sides of the aisle supported that. Thank you for that. You
know, um as a career prosecutor, it's horrible seeing that and seeing that
that young women and and often young boys have been exploited with extortion
and and I see thank you both sides of the aisle nodding on that. It it's it's it's horrific. The suicide rates go up.
Um, and that's why we have to do everything in our power to protect not only young girls,
adult women, boys and men from sextortion because it is happening and
we're doing everything in our power thanks to your legislation, all of you, to stop that.
I'd like to hear a little bit more about some of the Department of Justice programs uh like Project Safe Childhood
and the Internet Crimes Against Children Task Forces, partnerships that bring together federal, state, and local law
enforcement. Uh sometimes the work between those those law enforcement groups together uh really creates some
incredibly powerful income outcomes and some great success stories. I know you as Florida's attorney general had a
tremendous amount of leadership in our state trying to make sure we were taking care of children. Uh also the elderly,
protecting them from fraud, uh ending drug trafficking. Tell us a little bit about some of those departments within
DOJ. Yeah. When when you talked about um Project Safe Neighborhoods, we we' done a lot of that in Florida when I was
state a back when I was a state prosecutor prior to being attorney general. Um, that is so important. I
feel like what we've been doing in DC too with the take back DC and make DC safe again is similar to that. Going
into the neighborhoods, working with the community, seeing law enforcement officers out there playing basketball
with kids who live in the neighborhood. It's pretty remarkable what we've seen firsthand. Citizens in Memphis saying
that they appreciate they can walk outdoors now and they feel safe. people coming up thanking law enforcement and
working hand inand with them. We will continue um all of all of these programs
and and working jointly with both sides of the aisle to to keep our families safe.
Thank you for that. Madame Attorney General, Mr. Chairman, I yield back. Lady, gentle lady yields back. Uh
gentleman from Tennessee is recognized. I'd like to introduce for the record uh a letter a letter to Director Gabard
from uh Mr. Warner and uh
and Mr. Heimmes and a letter of response from her to them about who invited her
to Atlanta and a copy of the search warrant. Uh and I'd also like to just make clear for the record, the reason people in
Memphis weren't going out was because the ice was on the on the ground and we were afraid we'd fall.
But other than that, we go out all the time. Uh gentlemen, uh without objection, there's miss the gentle lady from
Vermont is recognized. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Attorney General Bondi, according to your department, a child is sexually abused in the United
States every nine minutes. And the vast majority of survivors never get justice.
And that's one of the reasons why I think the Epstein case has resonated so deeply with so many Americans. And the
other reason, I think, is because it has revealed a two-tiered system of justice and the powerful are protected and the
survivors rarely get any accountability. And the Epstein files contain evidence
of a multi-deade international criminal conspiracy involving some of the wealthiest and the most powerful people
in the world. There's evidence of financial crimes, political corruption, sex trafficking, and of course, horrible
sexual abuse. And I want to remind everybody, this isn't a game. These are
real people. people who have suffered, who are sitting here with us today, and
they deserve answers, and they deserve accountability, and I'm here to try to get some for them.








Now, I've seen some
of the unredacted Epstein files, and obviously, as you know, President Trump's name is all over them, but so
are the names of other senior Trump officials. Howard Lutnik, Secretary of Commerce, John Failen, the Secretary of
the Navy, and Steven Fineberg, the Deputy Secretary of Defense. These men were appointed by President Trump to
senior positions in his administration. All of them have clear and confirmed
ties to Jeffrey Epstein. Attorney General Bondi, yes or no? Has the
Justice Department asked Secretary Lutnik about his ties to Epstein?
Excuse me. Secretary Lenik um has addressed those ties himself. I'm asking
you, has the Justice Department specifically asked Secretary Lutnik about his ties to Jeffrey Epstein?
He has addressed those ties himself. Has the DOJ asked Secretary Failen about
his ties to Jeffrey Epstein? I don't know whether he has addressed those or not. Has the deputy um sec has deputy
secretary Fineberg talked the Department of Justice about his ties to Jeffrey
Epstein? Yes or no? Has the Department of Justice
talked to Secretary, Deputy Secretary Fineberg about his ties to Jeffrey Epstein, which are clearly spelled out
in the files. It's a very simple question. It's not a trick question. I'm just asking you. Yeah, I I'm stunned that you want to
continue talking about Oh my gosh. Instead of my time, I'm asking you not a trick question, a
simple question. Okay. So, what is clear is we have evidence. Do you know who Chris is?
Senior. We have evidence that three senior officials within the Trump
administration have ties to Jeffrey Epstein. And what I ties mean
I can conclude from what you are saying that you have not talked to them. What does ties mean?
I think Americans would be shocked to learn that you are not interested in talking
with these officials who have ties to Jeffrey Epste. Across the world, prominent men who've
been exposed in the files have resigned their jobs in disgrace. And that's a
good first start. And that same standard not saying the word same standard should
apply here. And Americans want accountability. Who is Chris M? Was the president aware? Please stop
talking. It is not your time to ask questions. It is not your time. I'm reclaiming my time. Mr. Chair belongs
time belongs to the JA from Vermont. Was the president aware of Secretary Lutnik's ties to Epstein when he chose
him to lead the Department of of Commerce? Was he aware?
Chris Men was a border patrol agent. Okay. So, I'm going to conclude that the president in fact did know about his
ties because he was the next door neighbor. Shame on you. Oh, for goodness sakes. This is
pathetic. This is pathetic. Mr. Chair will be in order. I am not asking trick questions here.
The American people have a right to know the answers to this. These are senior officials in the Trump administration.
This is not a game. Secretary, I'm attorney general. My apologies. I couldn't tell.
By 2008, we knew that Epstein was a convicted sexual abuser. And we now know
that Lutnik went to Epstein's Island in 2012. How was that not a dealbreaker for
the president? And why aren't you asking questions of the commerce secretary about what he
saw when he was at the island, which he lied about not ever going to? Why are
you not asking these questions? And I see that my time is almost expired. So I will say this, do the right thing,
Attorney General. Meet with the survivors. They have been asking for a year. Meet with the survivors. Do the
right thing. I yield back. Gentle lady yields back. The gentleman from South Carolina is recognized for
five minutes. May I have 20 seconds of his time? That'd be up to the gentleman, but uh absolutely madam.
Thank you. Thank you. Um I I was curious if you congresswoman um asked Bill
Clinton that. Um didn't hear didn't see one tweet, not one. I didn't see one
tweet when Joe Biden was in office about Bill Clinton. Um, didn't ask Merrick Garland anything about Epstein, not once
when he was and also I want the record to reflect that, you know, with this anti-Semitic
culture right now, she voted against a resolution contempt condemning.
I just want to be clear. Do you want to go there, Attorney General? Do you want to go there? Are
you serious? The gentleman talking about anti-semitism to a woman who lost her grandfather in the heart. I really










The committee will be in order. Talk to Jared Wise about anti-semitism. The ranking member knows that
I'm going to Can I get like 30 seconds back? You know, I've been balance took the whole committee knows. I've been very making
sure five minutes in the general. I'm going to talk about sanctuary cities for a second, which uh limit the federal government's
ability to enforce immigration law. Uh they're kind of a new thing that Democrat jurisdictions are doing. Uh
they're in violation of federal law. During President Trump's first term, he rightly targeted sanctuary jurisdictions
to try to force them to cooperate with federal immigration law. federal
immigration law, mind you, that was voted on in 1996, most recently, in a bipartisan Congress, signed by a
Democrat president, but they are in violation of that law. These states and jurisdictions uh feel
entitled to certain grants. Of course, y'all are combating that. Um, do sanctuary policies limit the federal
government's ability to accurately estimate how many criminal legals are in the country?
Yes. Thank you. This means that the number of legals could be higher, probably higher.
Uh, does this hurt the federal government's ability to carry out immigration laws designed by Congress?
Yes, Congressman, uh, in your opinion, do you believe that the Biden Harris administration and
Democrat pro-sanctuary policies make our communities safer? And, uh, for the
American taxpayer, do they make do sanctuary policies make our communities safer? No. Congressman,
uh, I want to do a brief, uh, video to highlight sanctuary cities.
So, what's strange to me, if you look at this board behind me, in New York, uh there are 7,000 criminal legal aliens
since January 20th of last year, uh that have been released into the public because New York is not honoring
detainers requested by ICE. Uh California, similarly, has released
4,500 criminal illegal aliens. Uh there are 33,000 under detainer in California
alone. And of the of the people released, I just think I think it's remarkable that those released in New
York, 29 homicides, 2500 assaults, almost 200 burglaries. These are people that are released into our community by
these states that refuse to cooperate. Last August, Michael Jordan Castellano
uh Fona, a criminal illegal alien with ties to trend trend shot two people in
front of five children in the sanctuary state of Colorado. DHS lodged a detainer
on him. He's awaiting trial, but the question is whether Colorado sanctuary policies will prevent him from being
removed from the country. Yes or no? Do you think that sanctuary jurisdictions, if they cooperated with ICE, those
illegals in custody could be transferred to ICE properly instead of being held in
taxpayer funded jails and then released into our community? Yes, Congressman, wouldn't it be more efficient and safer
then if Democrats simply cooperated with the federal government? These sanctuary jurisdictions cooperated with the
federal government and honored ICE detainers. And why? Why do you think? Of course, because so many criminals are
running to sanctuary jurisdictions. Many of your colleagues across the aisle who we've seen speaking today about Epstein
don't want to talk about the illegal criminals in their own jurisdiction for
that reason. And yes, we need to do everything we can to work together to make America safer. And they're not
doing that. This is not a partisan. People want to feel safe in their communities. Nobody
wants a criminal legal alien released into the street. I think that the thing that maybe the American people don't quite understand is that when you do not
honor a detainer, as we've seen, an illegal is released into the public and
now it's up to ICE to maybe apprehend them rather than behind the courtroom
passing them off from one law enforcement to the next. Is that true? Absolutely. What do you think the What
do you think? What What is the Department of Justice doing right now to combat sanctuary policies in our
country? We're doing everything in our power, obviously, to combat that. Donald Trump
is doing everything he can because we are going to make America safe. We are going to get illegal criminal aliens out
of this country. We're going to get the gangs out, TDA, MS-13, all of the gangs in this country. We're going to get the
drug dealers out and the drugs. And that's what we've been fighting to do. And I wish we could do it on a bipartisan basis, but they just can't do
it. And the decrease in numbers speak for themselves. Thank you for your work. Gentleman's time, Mr. We have some UC's if that's okay.
That is okay, Mr. Con. Thank you. UC on the National Institute
of Justice's study on undocumented immigrants having an offender rate lower than US born citizens. Like to enter
this in the record from 2024. Without objection. And I have several myself, Mr. Chairman.
Um, the Guardian. Um, January 26, 2026. Why is Trump granting clemency to
convicted fraudsters? Objection. January 20, 2026. NBC. Trump's pardons
forgive financial crimes that came with hundreds of millions of dollars in punishment. Object. Uh, Washington Post, December 19, 2025.
Trump's pardons wipe out payments to defrauded victims. And um, finally, May 30th, 2024, Trump
found guilty by Manhattan jury on 34 felony counts of fraud. Without objection. The gentleman from Illinois
is recognized. Thank you, uh, Chairman, Attorney General Bondi. Glad you finally made it here after hiding for four months from
this committee. I understand why you're hiding from us. You're one of the worst attorney
generals in our history and an instrument of Donald Trump's lawless authoritarian agenda. And I'm glad the
American people are seeing who you are, how you act, and the lack of good values. You weaponize the Department of
Justice to target immigrants, working families, and anyone that Trump deems an
enemy of the state. All to protect real powerful criminals, including in your
administration. My Democratic colleagues have focused on your cover up of the
Epstein files and your passion for protecting pedophiles and child traffickers. That alone is grounds for
impeachment. But there's so much more to your corrupt tenure as attorney general.
You directed prosecutors to investigate elected officials in welcoming jurisdictions, and you got thrown out of
court when you sued Chicago, Cook County, and Illinois. You directed prosecutors to prioritize low-level
immigration cases while gutting enforcement against corporate criminals
and public corruption. You revived draconian 1798
which should be repealed to illegally send people to a torture prison in El
Salvador. You fired over a 100 immigration judges, including the assistant chief immigration judge in
Chicago without cause and installed unqualified military judges whom you
instructed to deny asylum in violation of the law. You prosecute the
president's enemies like Jim Comey and Tish James while giving impunity to
federal agents who are murdering and brutalizing and terrorizing constituents including in Chicagoland in my
neighborhood. I saw it last year firsthand. You and Cash Patel covered up the murder
of Sylvve Viegas Gonzalez in my district by ICE agents. You tried to investigate
Renee Good instead of the ICE agent who murdered her. And you tried to cover up
the murder of Alex Prey by CBP agents. You bring fake charges against
protesters like the Broadview 6 and Marimar Martinez whom your
administration labeled a domestic terrorist. This is the monastery teacher
who lives in my district while protecting thugs who terrorize us and DHS authority. That's what you do.
Protect and enable the criminals who are plundering our society and destroying
what's left of democracy and the rule of law. Epstein accompllices, mass DHS
thugs, corporate criminals, Tom H. Homeman, Eric Adams, insurrectionists, the list goes on. And you talk about
fighting crime, but you protect any criminal who helps you and Trump turn
our country into an authoritarian gangster state. And after all this,
nobody supports you. I'm talking about I'm not talking about Democrats. I'm talking about conservative judges who
are condemning the rampant lawlessness at DOJ under your leadership. Your
prosecutors are qu quitting in droves over being forced to prosecute low-level
immigration cases, including in Chicagoland. Your MAGA base despises you
because you're covering up the Epstein file. How ironic. And even your own boss
has repeatedly complained to your staff about you, calling you weak and
ineffective. Weak and ineffective. That's what Donald Trump thinks of you
already. You will not win, however. Chicago land rejects you. The American people reject
you. Our communities have demonstrated our strength and resilience in the face
of cruelty and cowardice. Democrats must impeach and remove lawless officials
like you and Christine Gnome and impose accountability for every criminal
action. But you can spare yourself more humiliation. resign now and submit
yourself to accountability by the American people. Mr. Chairman, before I
yield back, I ask unanimous consent to submit for the record this Wall Street
Journal article dated January 12th, 2026 and titled
Trump has complained about Pam Bandi repeatedly to AIDS. Thank you and I
yield back. Objection. Gentleman yields back. The gentleman from Texas is recognized.
I thank the chairman. May I have 20 seconds, please? Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Let's hear the opposition research.
Thank you. That's absolutely right that they're not running for um he's not running for office again because well I
don't know why you're not running for office again but after the filing deadline
after the filing deadline you publicly announced you would not run when your chief of staff Patty Garcia announced
and took your seat that's a state matter that isn't a federal matter you should investigate crimeong
you should investigate belongs to the violations Texas. The time belongs to the gentleman from Texas.
A little flexibility on the time. I appreciate the chairman. Um, Madame Attorney General, am I correct that
under your leadership, the Department of Justice has prosecuted cases of non-citizen voting? So, it's false as
some of my Democratic colleagues have claimed that it doesn't happen. Yes. I asked that today because we're voting
on the Save America Act today to enact common sense policies to ensure only American citizens vote in American elections and and uh enact federal voter
ID laws. But it's true, for example, that in just this month, a federal grand jury in New York indicted two men with
illegally voting in federal election and making false statements. Muhammad Mazamble and Muhammad Shakil were
non-citizens at the time they registered to vote. This happens. It happens regularly. And you're prosecuting those crimes, correct? Yes.
But does that prosecution of those criminals overturn their previously cast votes?
That's all pending. But it does not overturn votes that they've cast, right? So passing the same
would help deal with that problem. Yes, congressman. Second question. As attorney general, you're in charge of the executive office
of immigration review. Correct? Yes, Congressman. The Biden mayorus regime caused the immigration court case backlog to
explode. Correct. Explode. Does that sound about right that in September of 2020, four months before
President Biden took office, there was a backlog of 1.5 million cases, but by the time President Biden left office, the backlog reached nearly 4.2 million
cases? It sounds about right, but I don't have the exact numbers. Um, it would be accurate to say that most individuals
who file for asylum have a meritless or fraudulent claim. Most I don't have the numbers.
Oh. So, does it sound correct that of the asylum cases adjudicated in FY 2023 under the Biden regime that only 14%
resulted in asylum grant and only 12% in fiscal year 2024? Does that sound correct? It sounds correct. I don't I'm sorry I
don't have the numbers. Could you get that information to us to verify that? I'll get all that information to you.
Um, under the Trump administration, immigration judges complete an average of 65,000 cases per month, the highest
average completion rate in at least a decade. Does that sound correct? That sounds correct. Miss Monti, how many new cases under
EOIR received in fiscal year 2025 have have you all had? And of those, what percentage have been granted asylum? Do
you know? I can try to get you those numbers. I thought I had those. That'd be great. Um because I'm my
question is whether President Trump's decision to pause asylum in the wake of the shooting of a National Guardsman by an Afghani here in Washington DC in the
nation's capital helped to stop the backlog in your office. Does that sound correct? Yes, Congressman.
My point being that the leadership of this administration is ending the backlog, reducing the backlog, making sure that we don't have fraudulent
asylum claims clogging it, and keeping Americans safe. Is that correct? Yes, Congressman. So, a couple other
quick questions on another important topic um that has been raised by both colleagues on both sides of the aisle with respect to the Epstein case. A few
questions. One, Jeffrey Epste was charged in July 2019 for sex trafficking under the Trump administration in his
first term. Is that correct? Yes, Congressman. And that Gelain Maxwell was charged in
2020, also under the Trump administration. Correct. Yes, Congressman. So, it is safe to say
that the the administration led on that issue and that there was silence in the previous administration. Is that
correct? Yes, Congressman, almost complete silence from everyone who's been trying to still talk about Epstein. They didn't
say a word under the Biden administration. Nothing. And I I want to make one other point and then another question though that is
that is important. I want to make one observation that is that we've been heard that the information today which
is troubling that Jane doe's that victim's information was made public and was unredacted in the files that were
released on Friday. So my question is some of us had argued when we were dealing with the discharge petition in
Congress that when Congress inserted itself into the process that we needed to be very careful to ensure that we
were protecting victims. So, a question that is both I just want to make that clear that some of us were fighting for
that here and we didn't get a chance to amend it or change it. So, that was concerning. But a question a little more
pointed I have to say is why though were the victim's names released that
shouldn't have been that there were names in the files that these Jane Does that their names shouldn't have been
made public when there were some accusers whose names were redacted. That's question one. And question two
was that Gelain Maxwell was put in jail for trafficking minors. Rightly so, and you properly said here at this table,
you hope she dies in jail. Well, I want to know, will anyone besides her or
Epstein, which I congratulate President Trump's previous administration and this Department of Justice for continuing all
of that, but that they were indicted, but will anyone else be indicted and prosecuted under this given the
information that's in front of us? So, two questions. Thank you for letting me answer that. they didn't want to hear my answer on
the other side. Um, yes, given the the tight time frame of 30 days, I believe
we got everything released within a little over 60 days. I'm talking as fast as I can. My time is up. We did the best
we could immediately. If if everyone's been coming to view the documents, if someone's name should not have been
redacted, we're releasing it. If someone's name was redacted, we said right away was not redacted and should
have been, meaning a victim. We went back and redacted it. Um, we're doing everything we can based on the t tight
time frame and over three million pages that we released that Donald Trump signed for pure transparency.
Second, uh, what was your second question about whether an another individual will be indicted?
Absolutely. Thank you for asking that. And they they never wanted to hear the answer to that. We have pending
investigations in our office. time. The gentleman has expired.
Unanimous consent request from the gentle lady from Pennsylvania. Thank you. I have uh several UC's
receipts. Um the I'd like to have unanimous consent to introduce the National Security Presidential Memorandum 7 dated
September 25th, 25. Objection. The Bondi Department of Justice memo
dated uh December 4th, 2025. Objection. An article from Newsweek
entitled DOJ deletes study alleging rise in far-right terrorism dated September
18th, 2025. Without objection. Uh notice article from October 3rd,
2025. Trump's directive on organized political violence could lead to increased surveillance of his critics.
Without objection. Washington Post article September 25th, 2025. Trump targets domestic terrorist
terrorists but only mentions the radical left. Without objection. Uh, Idaho Capital Sun, October 18th, 2025. Rest easy
Idahoans. The No King demonstrators are American patriots. Without objection. Uh, attacks on freedom of speech. What
nonprofits need to know, published by the National Council of Nonprofits, the largest network of nonprofits in
America. Without objection. The Freedom from Religious Foundation, warns that Bondi memo weaponizes federal
law enforcement against non-Christians and dissenting viewpoints. Without objection. A Ken Clippersstein
blog from January 28th, 26. ISIS secret watch lists of Americans. Without
objection. And an inter intercept article from February 2nd, 26. Trump calls his
enemies terrorists. Does that mean he can kill them? Without objection. Uh, the gentleman from Florida is recognized.
Uh, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh, good morning, Attorney General Bondi. Good afternoon. Oh, you're right. It's good afternoon.
It's been a long day. Uh, I wrote this this morning. up. We've known each other
a long time. Uh, and I'll always be appreciative for your assistance when you were attorney general in Florida
after the shooting at my high school at Marjory Stoman Douglas uh, in my hometown of Parkland when we passed a
bipartisan uh, bill, the Marjorie Stoman Douglas School Safety Act, which was the largest policy response to a school
shooting uh, in American history. You your department also prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law constituent of
mine and former felon that had plans to kill me when he was picked up by law enforcement after he was target
practicing in his backyard with two rifles, a scope, a silencer, three 3,000 rounds of ammunition and anti-semitic
manifesto. My name was the only name on their target list and my kids found out about this from their friends at school.
So, thank you. However, the most transparent administration in
American history. Before Trump, we didn't know the word transparency. Apparently, it's been 12 months since
you gave Republican influencers part one of the Epstein files. You said the list was on your desk and a memo came out and
said that there was no list. Phase two of the binders never happened. The president of United States says the Epstein thing is a hoax. He blasts his
own base for wanting the release of the files. He blamed Barack Obama. Republicans voted against the release of
the files. in the rules committee. Then they refused to even return to the rules committee until they could be protected
from future votes on the release. Speaker Johnson sends Congress home a day early before break. They sent the
deputy attorney general to meet with Maxwell. She says something favorable about the president. Miraculously, she
gets transferred to a minimum security facility. No one can explain why. Miraculously, the leaks to the Wall
Street Journal stop. We come back from break. We have the Massie discharge petition. Republicans drop a rule. a
non-binding resolution trying to kill the Massie discharge petition. The White House says passing the Massie discharge
petition is a hostile act. Trying to stop the necessary 218 signatures, according to Republican members that
signed it, the White House brought them into the situation room. You know, the place where the president goes for time of war, promising things like
appropriations or maybe even to primary them. People in the room say, "You were there." It didn't work. We get the 218
signatures. We eventually pass the Massie petition. You guys didn't release the files. You were forced by the by
Congress, every member of the House except one and the entire Senate. The
reason the president signed it is because it was a veto proof majority. We can't agree on anything. And yet the
entire house but one member and the whole Senate forced the administration to release the files. Cash Patel under
oath said Sen to Senator Kennedy. The FBI is not in possession of any credible evidence that Epstein traffked girls to
anyone but himself. We know now that's not true. According to documents, Epstein had a worldwide sex trafficking
ring. Girls from Poland, Czechoslovakia, Russia, Paris, modeling agencies sending him girls. He even had a relationship
with a summer camp where he groomed girls at a picnic table. Glain Maxwell says 29 Epstein associates cut secret
DOJ deals. Turns out there is a list. Six names readily available if you unredact them. Co-conspirators named but
we got them when you unredact them. Maxwell recently tells a house oversight committee that she wants clemency to re
release more names. Cash Patel under o said Trump's name appears less than a hundred times in the files. We now know
that's not true. Trump's name appears more times in the Epstein files than God's name appears in the book about
God. Okay, by the way, this is the Trump Bible. Move over King James. Trump's name also appears more times in the
Epstein file than Harry Potter's name appears in the seven books about Harry Potter. Lutnik says that in 2008 he went
to Epste's home, says he had a massage table in the living room. That Epstein said he got one every day, that it was the right type of massage. He and his
wife decide to leave and say they'll never be in a room with him again. Howard then says, "I'm sure the Epstein stuff is all on video. He was the
greatest black mailer of all time." Well, how would Howard know that? But now the fires are public. And in 2012,
we find out that he and his family are on Epstein Island after after after
Epstein plead guilty to state charges. I'm from Florida. I take my family to Disney World, not to Epstein Island.
There are documents in the files that dispute the president's claim that he kicked Epste out of his club. Allegedly, the president said Epstein that he asked
Epste to leave. Supported now that that's disputed though statements uh from the manager of the club. No, Madam
Attorney General, I have like 25 seconds left. So, because I'm curious uh and I I just I'd like to see you flip to the
Jared Moscowitz section of the binder. I'm interested to see what staff provided on the on the oppo on me. And
because we're in the Olympics, I'm going to give it a grade. I just want to see how how good it is. So, give me your
best one. So, first of all, nothing is funny about mocking the Bible and holding up a Trump
Bible. That's what you did. You made a joke and I find it. That's all I have to say. I want it from the burnbook.
I want it from the burnber book. Which is the best one? What you got? Has expired. The gentleman from Wisconsin's recognition.
Thank you. First of all, I'd like to clear something up that was said earlier and is frequently said and is manifestly
not true. Uh and that is the supposed small number of crimes committed by
immigrants or illegal immigrants in the country. um that has been um based on a
poorly done study by the Kato Institute and I believe the Kato Institute itself
has even updated that study. The the reason um that we know that study is not
true is that those statistics are not out there. For whatever reason, when
somebody is arrested, even for very serious crimes, we do not have on the paperwork whether that person is a legal
or illegal immigrant. Okay? If I go to one of my local sheriffs in Wisconsin
and ask them how many illegal immigrants in your jail, they will say, "I have no
idea. We don't keep track of that." When I tour the federal prison rights out
outside of my district and I ask them in this federal prison, how many of your inmates are illegal aliens? They will
tell me, "We have no idea. We don't keep track of that." So, whenever you hear a
Democrat or anybody or a pundit uh say that, "Oh, there's so few illegals
committing crimes," it is based on nothing because those statistics are not
available anywhere. What I would offer in the next round of appropriation bills, if one of my Democrat colleagues
wants to help me out, perhaps in appropriations, we can get funds to add to all the paperwork uh whenever anybody
is convicted of crime as to whether or not they are citizen or non-citizen. And
then we will have the statistics. But otherwise, whenever you hear somebody say on MSNBC or wherever, "Oh, so few
crimes are committed by illegal immigrants," they don't know what they're talking about because nobody has
those numbers. Okay, there's the first thing.

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Now, the next thing I want to point out,
um, we have had what I think is an unprecedented, um,
situation in Minnesota in which they are not assisting ICE in dealing with uh,
crimes that are going on up there. In other words, ICE is left to its own devices. When I talk to my local
sheriffs, they tell me that whenever a federal agency is engaged in work in
Wisconsin, they always make themselves available in case that federal agency
needs assistance. This could be something like D like ICE
under uh DEI uh DI. It could be D uh drug enforcement. It could be ATF. It
could be FBI. It could be Secret Service. It could be the US Marshal. Nobody that I have been able to find,
any sheriff in the state of Wisconsin, is aware of any circumstances in which
they did not make themselves available to federal law enforcement either if
they need somebody extra to do surveillance to just park a marked car
outside the area to assist in uh apprehension of a criminal if they need
a distance uh assistance with an additional SWAT team. uh if they need to
transport somebody, local law enforcement is always there. Now, you are not in charge of ICE, but you're in
charge of several other agencies. Have you ever heard of anything like what's going on in Minnesota where the uh the
governor or the local mayor refuses to give assistance to federal law
enforcement? I have in Portland and some other cities um where where they weren't cooperating.
But as I said, I spent about four day I did spend four days in um in Minnesota and I believe many of the local law
enforcement wish they could work with us to make their city safe. Okay. Now, uh we'll we'll switch to
something else. And first of all, I'd like to thank you for doing this today. You're obviously very bright, obviously very confident, and something I love.
you you you uh you tolerate fools gladly. So, appreciate that trait. Um
you you suffer fools gladly. Um in hearings like this, we often focus on
new initiatives undertaken by the department. Today, I'd like to give you an opportunity to discuss actions
implemented under the Biden administration's Department of Justice, such as the foreign influence task force
that you have since terminated. And you know, it's always rare to see uh uh anything in the government terminated,
but could you elaborate on those decisions and highlight the accomplishments of your tenure at
justice? Thank you for asking that. Um we are out
of time, but may I answer? Um chairman, go ahead. Thank you. Um the Biden administration
weaponized um the Foreign Corruption Practices Act and on February 10th,
President Trump issued an executive order pausing that for a DOJ review. um
under Deputy Attorney General Blanch's supervision, a comprehensive review was
led and um the department issued new guidelines protecting all Americans. Um
and protecting against the weaponization that happened under the Biden administration.
Time the gentleman has expired. Gentleman yields back. Gentleman from New York recognized. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Miss Bondi, I went over to the department yesterday
for a couple of hours to review some of the unredacted materials and I am looking forward to your
detailed explanation for why you have withheld almost half of the documents which is required by the bill.
Now, obviously there are three million documents, so I didn't get through much. But one thing I didn't see was the
client list that you said you had on your desk a year ago. I did however find
a couple of important documents. An 86page prosecution memo from the
Southern District of New York and a draft indictment from Florida against Jeffrey Epstein's co-conspirators.
For reasons that I cannot understand nor are permitted by the bill, they were
still redacted even for members of Congress. So, Miss Bondi, will you
commit right here to immediately providing those two documents in
unredacted form to members of Congress?
Not a not a complicated question. Uh, well, I I I guess it is for you because you have a law degree and those
are privileged. Okay. They're they're not privileged, but we will discuss that later. I also
found an email that I have right here. from Jeffrey Epstein to Gain Maxwell
that was unredacted and it included notes of statements that Donald Trump
made about his prior relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. Now, there is no reason
for this to be hidden from the American people. There is no privilege. There is no attorney client privilege. And I see
you're checking with your staff. And I can assure you staff, this is not under attorney client privilege because it was
sent from Jeffrey Epstein to Gileain Maxwell. Will you commit to publicly providing
the unredacted version of this so that the American people can understand the extent of Donald Trump's lies about his
relationship with Jeffrey Epstein? You're about as good of a lawyer today as you were when you tried to impeach
President Trump in 2016. Have you apologized for that in 2019? So are will you will you unredact this?
Will you unact on that? Privileged. I'm asking you, will you unredact this? Privileged.
Privileged. Of course. I look forward to discussing this more. Now, these are obviously improper
redactions. Let me stop. I'm I'm talking I'm talking privilege. Quiet. Don't yell at me. If they're not Mr.
Chairman, would you stop the clock? This is on your time. It's not on Mr. Gold. Even though you used your improper
reduction, you'll like my answer to continue to protect. Time belongs to the member.
Happy to release them. We'll stop the clock. We'll stop the clock. Time belongs to the member. Go ahead.
Even though you used improper redactions to protect Donald Trump and other predators associated with Jeffrey
Epstein, you did the exact opposite thing with the survivors and victims of
this scheme. So their identification information was really the only thing
required to be redacted and it was not and it's clear this was not a mistake.
This was not by accident. This was not because you only had 30 days when you really used 75 and that doesn't even
include all the hours last March that you were redacting it. But I'll tell you
why it's clear it wasn't a mistake. There is an email entitled Epstein
victim list. There are 32 names. One is redacted, 31
are not. So, someone looked at it and decided to redact something. And I will
tell you that that is clearly intentional to intimidate these
survivors and victims. Now, in a interview last week,
how will you tell me that's intentional? In an interview in an interview last week, Deputy Attorney General Todd
Blanch, you can't go off script. Said that any victim that wants to speak with the department has done so
hopefully. Well, thanks to the incredibly brave people sitting here behind you, we can actually ask them if
that's true. Now, with the survivors and victims who are here, please stand up one more time.
Just by show of hands, how many of you or your loved ones actually have met
with the Department of Justice and provided testimony and estimate and uh evidence?
None. And of those of you who have not met, which is everyone, how many of you
have reached out either individually or through a lawyer or representative to
offer to provide testimony and evidence?
All of them. And of those you of you all of you who have reached out, how many of
you were denied or ignored by the Department of Justice?
All of them. And despite the shameful and despicable efforts by Miss Bondi and
her department to intimidate you, how many of you are still willing to speak to the Department of Justice? All of
them. Well, Miss Bondi, it looks like you have some more witness and I yield back. We will go to the good
gentleman from North Carolina, Congressman KN. Thank you. May I have a moment, Congressman? Yes, ma'am.
Thank you. Here we go. Here's the photograph. This is why he wanted to repeat everything
that had been said previously on Epstein. This is his state, New York. You
probably don't even know who this is. Wahed Muhammad from Afghanistan. Yes. Because I'm no longer a prosecutor.
Convicted of assault. Wow. He represents New York. Wow. Yet he
doesn't care about the illegal aliens convicted of crimes. Assault and homicide. No longer a prosecutor, so he
doesn't care about his constituents. Here we go. Arson El Salvador. Miguel
Palacios. Ferman Flores Ramales, Mexico. Rape.
Let's talk about the 70% of immigrants who are detained without a criminal conviction or arrest.
Stop the clock. Stop the clock. Time belongs. Congressman not. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Madam Attorney
General, I want to be sure that the American people understand exactly what we're referring to when we talk about
sanctuary policies. They are often framed in sort of innocuous terms like we refuse to take part in immigration
law. And when you add up all of the population represented by these cowardly politicians in sanctuary jurisdictions,
whether it's a county, city, or state, sanctuary jurisdictions account for roughly 40% of the United States. Now,
in reality, it's much more than just a passive exercise. Is that not correct?
Yes. It's unbelievably active. And in terms of breaking down these terms, I want to break it down as clearly a term as I
can. What is a federal detainer for the American people? Please describe it.
A federal detainer is is when someone is held in federal custody. Yes. And when a federal detainer is
issued to local law enforcement, they are obviously in local or state custody. Correct.
Yes. And federal officers take note of that apprehension and they say, "We want to
come and apprehend him or her to deport them." Isn't that correct? Yes. And in these sanctuary
jurisdictions, whether it's California, Illinois, New York, or other places, even in North Carolina, there are
sanctuary jurisdictions. That federal detainer often prompts not any
cooperation, not any assistance, but a release onto the streets. Isn't that
correct? Yeah. And Congressman, a federal detainer is federal law. Yes. That people must abide by. Yet these
jurisdictions, many of these jurisdictions are not abiding by that. And we hear a lot of talk from the other side about victims, about victims of
violent crime, sex crimes, murders, whatever it may be. But I want to be very clear, illegal aliens who have been
arrested for committing some of the most heinous crimes, they have been released by sanctuary cities, by sanctuary
states, rather than being turned over to the federal government for deportation. Isn't that correct?
It is. And it's um it's sad for all Americans that that any jurisdiction would do that. These are some of the
most violent criminals I think we've all seen. Yes. And despite their best efforts to
obstruct you and the president in making us all safer, I just want to go through a quick list again of the
accomplishments that you have um been in part responsible for achieving. True or false? The country now has the lowest
murder rate in 125 years. Yes. True or false? 62 major cities are now
reporting rapid decline in murder rates. Yes.
True or false? Robberies are down nearly 20% over the last year.
Yes. True or false? Violent crime is down almost 15% over the past year.
Yes. True or false? Right here in Washington DC, violent crime is down almost 30%
since President Trump took office. Yes. And the number may be even better than that, but yes. Good. Yes.
True or false? The DEA has seized over 200,000 kg of cocaine since President Trump took office,
I believe. So, and um 2 hold 78,500
kilos of meth and more than 260,000 kilos of cocaine.
Unbelievable. That's lives saved every day for all of us, for families, for children. And then
true or false, the Department of Justice under your leadership has a 92% success rate at the Supreme Court.
I believe so. Or ballpark. Ballpark. And then true or false, this administration is attacking the waste,
fraud, and abuse that we have seen in places like Minnesota that is removing billions of hard-earned tax dollars from
this country. Absolutely. And President Trump is committed to doing that in every city in
this country. And Madam Attorney General, just to be very brief here, I want to be sure that you know that many
on this committee made very serious efforts to try to amend the Epstein petition to give you
the resources and the time to protect victims to go through and to have the the the necessary runway to thoroughly
go through that file. Unfortunately, those requests were met with refusal and
we were unable to make the necessary amendments. But thank you for being here today. Thank you.
Good gentleman yields back. Uh we turn to the good lady from California, Congresswoman Klager Dove.
Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you, Attorney General, for being here today. I want to talk with you about an issue
on which there is broad bipartisan agreement, the importance of ensuring trust between the American public and
those government officials who wield powerful law enforcement responsibilities. So, attorney general,
would you agree that it is important for law enforcement leaders to be honest?
Of course. As well as members of Congress. Thank you. And would you include yourself as a law enforcement leader?
Of course. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. You know, President Trump has also uh well, he has
referred to himself as the chief law enforcement officer of this country. So,
do you believe that President Trump is honest? He is the commander and chief of the
United States of America. And not only is he keeping this country safe, he is
keeping this world. It's a simple question. Of course I do. Commander and chief.
Last June, Minnesota lawmaker Melissa Hortman, her husband Mark, and their dog
were brutally murdered in their home. And your USA's office in Minnesota
investigated this crime and obtained a sixcount indictment of the murder
suspect, stating that he had intent to kill, injury, harass, and intimidate
Minnesota legislators. And I had the copyright here. I read through it. Yet a
few weeks ago, President Trump suggested publicly that Minnesota Governor Tim
Walsh was behind these murders, posting on his truth social account a video
raising this conspiracy theory. And it wasn't true. And you know it wasn't true. Or else you would not have brought
an indictment against the subject. Do you know what else Trump has said? He has said he has cut gas prices by
1,400%. False. That he won the 2020 election. Actually, gas is down to a $1.99 a
gallon. Thanks for that. He didn't know Epstein. Maybe $5 in California. It's my time, Mr. Chair. That he sent
water to LA during the wildfires. False. That Governor Wesmore of Maryland called
him the greatest president of his lifetime. False. So many tales, too many
to keep up. But I want to go back to what he said about Tim Walsh. Do you
agree that President Trump undermined public trust in law enforcement by
suggesting that Governor Walsh was involved in the Hortman murders?
I am not familiar with that statement. Well, that is a disappointing response and it is also why your office and
Donald Trump have zero credibility because I know and you know it was a
right-wing extremist who murdered the Hortman's and you and the president are
being dishonest with the American people. Last fall after the horrific shooting of Charlie Kirk, President
Trump was asked if there were extremists on both the left and the right. and his exact words were, "I'll tell you
something that's going to get me in trouble, but I couldn't care less. The radicals on the right oftentimes are
radical because they don't want to see crime. The radicals on the left are the problem, and they're vicious and they're
horrible and they're politically savvy. Do you agree with this statement?
You're taking too long, madam attorney general, but you know the answer because
your own department has addressed the question. In 24, the DOJ's research arm
issued a report on domestic terrorism stating that the far number of far-right attacks continues to outpace all other
types of terrorism and domestic violence extremist. The DOJ published that report
and after the president made those comments, the DOJ took the report down and I sent you a letter asking you a
simple question. Why did the dust justice department remove the data that shows rightwing extremists have killed
more innocent people than leftwing extremists? Did you refer to immigration enforcement
as domestic terrorism? You should answer my question. You're on my time. But you won't. And what I am
asking you to do is put the report back. Restore the data. Stop scrubbing
important data from your website. Stop taking down reports that you know the
American people need to know about. There are violent, dangerous people out here with real threats. And the danger
from your agency comes from the covering up of these threats that could hurt American people and put our lives at
risk. Do better. And with that, I yield back. Mr. Gentle Lady yields back. The gentleman from North Carolina is recognized.
May I have one moment? You may. Her district includes Culver City and she's not talking about any
crime in her districts. Nothing about helping crime in her district. She's not even worth getting into the details.
Well, thank you, Madam Attorney General, and we are grateful to have you here today and let me just say that um you've
shown great perseverance today and I think you're coming to the last lap here of those of us that are left, but I
applaud your strength and I applaud your resolve. Um, Madam Attorney General, as a pastor for
over 37 years now, I take serious issue with any attempts by agitators to
disrupt church services or activities at houses of worship. And I just want to
take a moment to clarify some things. I realize you can't talk about pending cases per se, but I do want to ask some
very general questions for clarification. Does the DOJ consider unauthorized entry into a house of
worship to be protected activity under the First Amendment when undertaken by a
member of the press? Unauorized.
Unauthorized with the intent of disrupting. Yes. Okay. Even if it's a blogger like Don Lemon.
Correct. How does the DOJ distinguish between news gathering activity and
expressive or protest conduct when a press defense is asserted?
Congressman, I I met with the pastor of that church and what happened there um
was horrific. Of course, the press is welcome and I would hope all houses of
worship, whether it's a synagogue, whether it's a church, any house of worship. Um, however, what happened
here, it's a pending case again, but within the four corners of the indictment, um, they were quote gearing up for a
resistance. They entered a house of worship. And I think the video speaks for itself. Um
what happened in there, what the video doesn't show is there were approximately 400 parishioners in there on a Sunday
morning, families, um grandparents with canes,
children upstairs in in um Sunday school who were their parents were blocked from
getting to them once this resistance took place and they had named it
Operation Pullup. I've um it was heartbreaking for those families. They
were terrified. I think they've all said that and uh nothing like that should
happen in this country and under my watch it won't. Thank you. And and just
to clarify, accosting members of a congregation and creating a scene marked
by intimidation and threat inside a house of worship would not be protected
first amendment activity. Correct. Absolutely not. And a grand jury has indicted individuals over that. Thank
you. One other question just shifting a little bit. Um, you know, my home state
of North Carolina has been making national headlines at times, particularly in the city of Charlotte.
We've made pleas uh for our governor to get involved, bring in the National
Guard. Our uh Fraternal Order of Police had pointed out that we were about 270
local cops below what we needed in order to adequately police the city. And yet the governor has declined to offer to
partner with the federal government to bring in reinforcements to Charlotte. I want to give you just a few moments,
really the balance of my time, to explain the impact that Memphis Safe Task Force has had on crime and safety
in Memphis because I know there was a place we saw that cooperation has tended
to breed great results and I would love to hear a little more about that.
Thank you. And I I have numbers for you, too. Um
well, and we're all right here in DC. We're all living right here in DC. And I think we've seen the remarkable impact
that it has working with members of the Democrat party on this with law
enforcement, with the mayor, um do with the police chief, doing everything we can to make DC safe. Um, as of February
9th, there were nearly 10,000 arrests. This is DC.
1,000 illegal gun seized since the operation began with carjackings down
81% from this time last year and violent crime down 42%.
DC is safer because of it. Um, we know we had a National Guardsman shot and we
had a a beautiful young woman killed. I went to her funeral and I keep in touch with the National Guardsman um who who
was shot, his parents um he's doing great. He's a miracle. Please continue to pray for him. I I know my time is up,
but same results I spoke about earlier um in Memphis and we're still working on that with the help of um make Memphis
safe again. Well, again, I I think it just draws an incredible contrast between what we've seen happening in
Minneapolis versus what we've seen happen in DC, what we saw happen in Memphis, and what I would love to see in
some ways, if we could ever get our governor to work with us in North Carolina, to happen in Charlotte. But with that, I yield back. Thank you.
Time that the gentleman has expired is recognized.
Thank you. Do I seek unanimous consent to introduce into the record the research that representative Kleer Dove
and I referenced concerning the threat of right-wing domestic terrorism which the Department of Justice scrubbed from
its website in September. Without objection, the uh gentle lady from Texas recognized. Thank you so much, Mr. Chairman. And to
be clear, I'm not going to ask any questions of this witness because this witness has revealed that she has no intentions of answering questions. But
instead, I'm going to ask some very basic questions really quickly of my colleague Becca Balant if she will answer. Right or wrong, raping children?
Wrong. Right or wrong? Killing random citizens. Definitely wrong. Right or wrong? Enriching yourself as
the sitting president of the United States. Definitely wrong. Okay, thank you. Because I probably never would have got that with our
witness. Our witness who somehow is a lawyer but does not understand how it works with witnesses. I'm not really
sure what law school she went to and what all kind of cases she tried. But typically when you come into a space and
somebody's a witness, then they sit there and they answer questions instead of asking questions. And then we also
have this objection that we use as lawyers called non-responsive. When a witness fails to actually answer the
question, but nevertheless, let me address the survivors because that's exactly who they are. They are not
victims, they are survivors. Let me say thank you for having more courage and moral clarity in your pinky fingers than
the entire Department of Justice. We are currently the laughingtock of the world partially because of the failed
leadership within the DOJ as we see kings and queens fallen everywhere around the world. But we don't know the
basics of right and wrong in this country because it's not about partisanship. And that's why I applaud
Thomas Massie because he's the only person on the Republican side that has a backbone and knows how to stand up to
corruption. But nevertheless, let me keep going. My Democratic colleagues have been attacked this entire committee
hearing. They have been lied on. And frankly, the American people weren't looking for that. They were looking for
answers about the corruption that they see coming from this administration. In the wi in the written testimony of this
witness of of this particular witness, she stated that when she took office,
she had two main goals. The first was to end the weaponization of justice and second to return the department to its
core mission. Not only have you lied about both, you've intentionally done the exact opposite. You're spending more
taxpayer resources arresting journalists than you are prosecuting pedophiles and creeps. In fact, your boss, the
president of the United States, stated that this administration quote took the freedom of speech away and at your
direction DOJ has arrested Don Lemon and Georgia Fort. And I might add that y'all
actually had a judge that rejected y'all for trying to arrest Don Lemon before, just like the grand jury rejected y'all
as it relates to Senator Kelly. Just like a grand jury rejected y'all as it relates to Senator Slackin. Just like
the case against Tish James was dismissed and the case against Mr. Comey was dismissed. I completely don't get
how it is that you're sitting at the top of DOJ cuz you don't seem to be good at your job. You're spending more taxpayer
resources arresting these journalists. In fact, we know after Georgia Fort and Don Lemon
were arrested, we know that there were homes of journalists that were raided. We know that threatened prosecution
against students protesting your actions and forced tech companies to remove apps used to track ISIS activities. But let's
circle back to you protecting pedophiles and creeps because I want to talk about the president and his possible
involvement with Jeffrey Epstein. Now, I don't know what the president might have done with Jeffrey Epste, but unlike this
administration, I believe that facts matter. So, let's talk about the facts. Fact number one, Donald Trump is one of the most named people in the Epste
files. At least 5,000 files contains more than 38,000 references to Trump,
his wife, or Mara Lago. Fact number two, Jeffrey Epstein and Galain Maxwell made
young girls available to Trump on multiple occasions. For example, according to this file, Galileain
Maxwell presented a young girl to President Trump, who spent more than 20 minutes apparently flirting with her.
Here's another example. This shows notes from FBI investigators that describe Jeffrey Epstein transporting a victim to
Mara Lago to meet with President Trump where he bragged to Trump that quote, "This is a good one." Now, I'm not
saying that the president is a pedophile, but there is a lot of evidence in these files that suggests that he's very close friends with a lot
of men who are pedophiles. What's crazy about all of this is just that this is a
big cover up and this administration is engaged in it. In fact, this administration is complicit. But there
are numerous others like how the DOJ is attempting to obstruct justice in the investigation of the rogue agents who
have murdered American citizens. Or how the DOJ seized voter data from Fulton County in an attempt to steal the 2026
midterm elections. Or how federal agents have Tom Holman on tape accepting a bribe in your agency killed the
investigation or how your agency is ready to give the president a $230 million date payday, which is
unconstitutional. The Constitution is clear. The president shall not receive any payment except his salary while in
office. The fact of the matter is that you will be remembered as one of the worst attorney generals in history. An
attorney general who has prioritized obstruction over justice, corruption over the law, feelalty to the president
over loyalty to the constitution. And Mr. Chairman, I will yield. Gentle lady yields. Gentleman from Missouri is recogniz Excuse me.
Gentleman from Kansas, the attorney general, former attorney general, uh, Mr. Smith recognized.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman and uh General Bondi, thanks for being here. Did you have anything you wanted to say before
we talk? I do. Thank you, Congressman. Thank you, my friend. For many years, um I find it
interesting that she didn't even want to try Congresswoman Crockett to ask any
questions because she certainly did not condemn her leader, Hakee Jeff, for
taking money from Jeffrey Epstein after Epstein was convicted. And I will be
brief to give you your time, Congressman. And this is what she didn't want to talk about. Texas from Cuba
convicted homicide arson weapon offense convicted. So what we talking about?
Convict some of these perpetrators that raped these women that are sitting belong
to even acknowledge they are here. Time belongs to the gentleman from Kansas.
Mr. Chairman, could I have a few seconds back to make up for the yelling? Thank you. General, did you have anything further to say? Texas convicted of
homicide. Cecil Joseph from Dominican Republic.
Texas convicted for kidnapping rape. Khaled Khan from Afghanistan.
That's why they want to talk about Epstein and not what's happening in their own states.
Thank you, General, and thank you for being here. And um this has been quite a
spectacle to observe today. I think it's sad. I ran for Congress because I thought we had serious problems in this
country we wanted to try to fix together. And this performance today, not yours, General, but some of my
colleagues, has not shored up my confidence that uh we are up to the task. You and I served together for
eight years when you were attorney general of Florida and I in Kansas. Uh you serve professionally. I'm glad to be able to serve with you in these new
roles and I'm glad you're there uh both generally and today. Part of the reason I ran for Congress is because in my
former role, I saw uh in the real world, in my state, the consequences of failed
US immigration and border security policy. And I'll spare you the lengthy recitation, but let me give you the
short version. I sit here and think about a fellow who was running, I believe it was drugs for the cartels and shot a police officer in Oklahoma, drove
across the border into my state, kidnapped an old man, and then invaded a house and shot at cops before uh we
ultimately uh neutralized him. He's in prison now for I believe the rest of his life. I'm thinking about a drunk driver
who was in our country illegally. Never should have been here and one night killed a young deputy on southern
Johnson County, Kansas. Uh who was making a traffic stop on another individual. Drunk driver ran into him. Never should have been here. Shouldn't
happen. Thinking about a guy who was deported repeatedly, came back and ultimately murdered, I believe it was four people in Kansas City, Kansas, and
then pled to Missouri and killed a fifth guy. He died in prison. I'm thinking about a guy we prosecuted who wasn't supposed to be in this country who raped
a child in a little rural county up north on the Nebraska border and we sent him to prison for I believe the rest of his life. Thinking about a guy who
wasn't supposed to be here at all who murdered I think it was his wife or his domestic partner in an act of domestic violence in northwest Kansas. Thinking
about another guy who was here and joined up with some folks who were citizens and committed a crime spree and then thought he might get caught so he
killed one of his accompllices and we sent him to prison for the rest of his life. And that's just the ones I'm thinking about sitting right here. And
you know what's common in all of those? They all committed violations of my state's law. They were caught by my
state's law enforcement. They were prosecuted by my state's prosecutors. They are serving time in my state's
prisons. And if and when they ever get out, the United States has said they need to be sent out of this country
because of what they did. There's a list. You're holding up photos, General. There's a list on the Department of Homeland Security's website. It has
about 280, 290 people like that in my state of Kansas. And you know what? We haven't made headlines like Minneapolis.
We haven't made headlines like Memphis. We haven't made headlines like Los Angeles. And you know why? Because our
cops are professionals. And our politicians by law allow them to do their job and to work with federal
agents for safe handoffs in order to do everything that's supposed to be done. Justice under state law and the justice
of deportation on the back end. So, I want to do something that's been rare here today, General. I want to ask you about public policy. Donald Trump won't
be president forever. I would like to lock in some of these gains we have made in public safety. Should we be exploring
the idea, for example, of beefing up 287g partnerships or maybe replicating that so that state prosecutors can work
more closely with federal prosecutors to get deportation orders as well as state convictions?
Absolutely. In terms of sanctuary jurisdictions, when a sanctuary jurisdiction says as a matter of politics, go pound sand to the
feds. We won't honor your detainers. So they release those people I'm talking about into their communities and those people commit another crime of property
or violence against citizens. Should those citizens have some type of civil redress against the jurisdiction that as
a matter of public policy turned those people loose who created the new victims? Yeah. And Congressman, it's it's risking
the lives of of all all of all of the citizens of that jurisdiction. And you've been sued a lot or the
administration has by folks who don't like your policies hundreds of times. You've won many of those.
Yes. Isn't it the case that the law says under rule 65 that when you win those and there's a wrongfully entered
injunction that there's supposed to be a monetary remedy for that? So there's a cost? Yes.
And didn't the president direct you and other agency heads to start seeking bonds in those cases?
Yes. And should we beef up the law in that area by codifying that requirement going forward?
I would love to discuss that with you. Thank you, General. Thank you for being here. Gentleman yields back. Well done. some
of the questions he raised we plan on taking up in a markup in a couple weeks on the whole sanctuary jurisdiction
issue. With that, I recognize the gentleman from Texas. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you
uh Madame Attorney General for for taking the time to to speak with us. Uh we certainly really appreciate it. I've
got a series of questions for you that we can uh get through pretty pretty quickly. I I think um can you tell me is
is it true that the Biden Harris DOJ raided President Trump's home? They did. Did the Biden Harris DOJ allow
Jack Smith to spy on over a dozen Republican members of Congress? Absolutely. Did the Biden Harris DOJ seize the phone
of a sitting Republican congressman? Yes. Did the Biden Harris DOJ and Jack Smith pay at least $20,000 to confidential
human sources to provide information on President Trump? At least. At least. Did the Biden Harris, DOJ, and
FBI failed to apprehend the suspect who placed pipe bombs near the capital ahead of January 6th? Yes.
Did the Biden Harris G DOJ target parents as domestic terrorists? Absolutely.
Did the Biden Harris DOJ target pro-life Catholics, going so far as to interview a priest and a choir director?
Yes. Did the Biden Harris DOJ send FBI SWAT teams to arrest pro-life advocates with
no criminal histories? Yes. Did the Biden Harris DOJ use the FACE Act to target pro-life ad advocates
while it allowed anti-life agitators to vandalize, destroy, and firebomb pregnancy resource centers and churches?
Multiple times, I believe. Multiple times. Did the Biden Harris DOJ ever determine who leaked the DOS
decision? I can't discuss that. No. Oh, no. Under
Biden No. Under Biden Harris. Got it. No. Did the Biden, Harris, DOJ, and and
FBI target whistleblowers for revealing waste, fraud, and abuse within the
department to Congress? Not to my knowledge. Did the Biden Harris DOJ refused to say
whether it coordinated with Alvin Bragg, Fanny Willis, and Leticia James in their lawfare against President Trump?
They refused. The Biden Harris DOJ swalked the criminal investigation and prosecution
of Hunter Biden. That's an understatement in my opinion. Yep. Did the Biden Harris DOJ uh
determine who brought cocaine into the Biden White House? They did not. They did not. The Did the Biden Harris
DOJ cover up the extent? As far as we know, they did not. Right. That's right. Did the Biden
Harris DOJ cover up the extent of the Russia collusion hoax? Absolutely. In my opinion, yes. Did the
Biden Harris DOJ DOJ, excuse me, seek leniency from a federal court for an IRS
contractor who leaked sensitive tax information on over 7,600 Americans,
including President Trump? Yes. Did the Biden Harris DOJ sue Texas because the state wanted to secure its
own southern border? Yes. And finally, did the Biden Harris DOJ
attack SpaceX for hiring too many Americans? I believe they did. Yep.
Unbelievable. It It is unbelievable. And I I appreciate that a lot of this is is being cleaned up under your leadership.
Um so, thank you for returning the DOJ back to its core focus, which is on the
rule of law. And I think that we see the results of that. I've got a few more similar questions for you. How have uh
over the past year since President Trump has been in office, how have murders trended in the United States? Since
President Trump has has been in office, the murder rate has um dropped to a
historic 20% drop in the national murder rate. Lowest since 1900.
20% drop in one year. That's incredible, isn't it? And that's thanks to the
incredible men and women of law enforcement, um, FBI, DEA, ATF, everyone
working together to solve violent crime along with our sheriffs, our local law enforcement working as a team throughout
this country and our great state and federal prosecutors. Yep. And how have robberies trended?
Have they gone? Even if they've just robber Oh, robberies, all violent crime. It's a
all violent crime. Violent crime has decreased as well as robberies. So murders, violent crime, the country
is more safe now, it's fair to say, would you agree, than it was a year and a half ago under Joe Biden?
Absolutely. And Director Patel is working tirelessly to catch those, I'm
sure you've been seen, on the most wanted list. He he and Deputy Director Bonino from
day one said, "We're going to get the most wanted list." And that's what's been happening, working hand inand with
with all of our agencies. Yep. And I want to thank you for that. Thank you for the work you've been doing to refocus the DOJ again on doing your
core job. We're we're very happy with it. And I'll yield the remainder of my time to uh to the chairman.
I I appreciate the gentlemen. I would just say earlier one of the Democrats said that they said who who who
are you? Who you are? And I I think you're the you're the attorney general who I think on the first day disbanded
the fittiff first day on the job presented the memo that required spying on parents that Mr. Garland had issued
and set up the weaponization working group. I think you did that all on day one. Uh not to mention you're the first
Justice Department that's put in place, as we've talked about earlier, this this deputy attorney general for combating
fraud. Um so we we appreciate that and of course all the things that Mr. uh Mr.
Gil pointed out with the crime stats that have went down. So our last question of the day, not the least, the
gentleman. Oh, I'm sorry. We got to have two more. We got Mr. Ander and then Mr. Bonger. So Mr. Bonger, you Well, let's go that way. Since you're here, you
ready to go, Mr. Bomb? And then we'll come back to Mr. On. Uh, thank you, uh, Mr. Chairman, and
thank you, Attorney General, uh, Bondi. You know, being a freshman on this committee, uh, you always, uh, uh, get a
bit surprised, I guess, even one year into my term here, how theatrical uh, days like this uh, can be. Um,
but I think you've performed well today and answered the questions well today and that's a credit to you and uh and appreciated by the uh American uh
people. You know, the Epstein issue is certainly important and is important uh for the victims. I I think both I and
the American people have a little bit of uh trouble taking the Democrats super seriously on this issue when they have
been so uncurious about uh President Clinton's uh relations with uh with uh
Jeffrey Epstein. And even myself, I had no idea that there was actually a sitting Democrat congresswoman who had
taken substantial campaign donations uh for Mr. Epstein. only when that came
light on the floor with the potential resolution and you would think there would be more outrage on those types of things if they were going to be taking
uh credible but uh but we do know the performance value of what goes on in this uh this committee. Uh I want to
talk about the big things that Department of Justice uh is doing. And when I look at the dramatic decrease in
crime in this country uh in the in the last year since uh the Trump
administration has come, you'll see the board behind me. Violent crime plummets across major US cities. And I guess so
my first question would be when it comes to the big stuff, how are you guys getting this stuff so right? uh what is
what is the what contributes uh from your perspective to this dramatic decrease in crime in major US cities
under the Trump administration? When I first took office, I I met with
all of our agencies and the the one thing that that stuck with me that that
one of the heads of one the department said to me, one of the law enforcement department heads, "President Trump has
taken the handcuffs off us so we can keep the people of America safe." And
that's what he's done. He has given our law enforcement officers the tools that
they need and the backing that they need, the support that they need to
combat violent crime and all crime throughout this country. And you know, I'd be remiss, we've talked about the
FBI, we've talked about DEA a bit, but but can I please brag about ATF? Um Rob
Sakata and Dan Driscoll of course who has been our acting head of ATF have done a remarkable job stopping guns from
flowing in to Mexico not harassing gun owners.
26,965 violent crime cases have been initiated
including more than 4,300 firearms trafficking cases. More than 1,200 of
those are tied to gun trafficking in Mexico. I I talk to them almost daily.
Thank you. And they're working so hard. Well, thank you uh attorney general. Again, you know, I look back at this
last year and we've had this historic tax uh cut uh yesterday in the Wall
Street Journal, the National Council or National Cancer Foundation ran full page
ads thanking Congress, the administration for doing more for cancer research than has ever been done before.
I was just meeting with Habitat for Humanity out in the hallway and they came and thanked us for doing more for
Habitat and Humanity. There's been so many uh so many accomplishments, but I really think this crime is the biggest
deal of all. Um, but I do have some concerns on this issue and those also
are respect how we keep people safe with sanctuary cities and sanctuary states. And I remind everyone and as I sure you
know uh madam attorney general that when we had the terrible terrorist attacks of 9/11 uh the number one recommendation of
the 911 commission was to reduce barriers between all levels of law
enforcement. They specifically pointed to things like fusion centers, joint terrorism task force, and getting local
law enforcement and federal law enforcement to work together and communicate on a regular basis. And I
would just like your perspective because we have a more complex global threat uh than any time since World War II. We
still have Islamic terrorism. We have spies from China, uh Iran, Russia, all these things. And what does sanctuary
cities and states do for communication, law enforcement? How does it make us less safe?
Sanctuary cities and states are attempting to prevent communication among all the law enforcement agencies.
And of course, that's keeping all of America less safe, especially when the violent criminals are fleeing to those
jurisdictions because they believe they're protected. but with all of our joint task forces. I see it every day,
Congressman. How well despite despite what these liberals are t trying to do,
Donald Trump's administration is working tirelessly tirelessly to protect all of
Americans and all of our agencies working hand inand to keep America safe. Well, you guys are getting the big stuff
right. You look at that decrease in crime across the country, you ought to take a victory lap. Well done.
Gentleman yields back. The gentleman from Missouri is recognized. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you, Attorney General Bondi, for being here
on this long day. And I want to thank you most of all for your leadership in
your whole career defending victims. And now, I want to take uh a moment to talk
about you protecting victims from a different kind of child abuse, that medicalized child abuse that goes under
the banner of gender affirming care that far too many of my Democratic colleagues enthusiastically support and
unapologetically support. Shortly after returning to office, President Trump signed an executive order uh direct
directing HHS to review the clinical evidence and determine whether sex rejecting interventions caused more harm
than good. HHS re reached the same conclusion that the UK and Finland and
uh and Sweden reached that the risks are serious and that imposing this this
so-called care on minors was not appropriate. Um, this executive order
also directed you as attorney general general to quote uh work to draft, propose, and promote legislation to
enact a private right of action for children and the parents of children whose healthy body parts have been
damaged by medical professionals practicing chemical and surgical mutilation, which should include a
lengthy statute of limitations. Last se last September, you transmitted that
bill to Congress. It has been my honor to introduce that bill as the Khloe Cole
Act. We named the bill after Khloe Cole who sat where you're sitting uh just a few years ago on her 19th birthday
during a hearing chaired by now speaker Mike Johnson. I'd like to play a clip of her testimony that day to remind of our
story on puberty blockers and then
testosterone. The resulting menopausal-like hot flashes made focusing on school impossible. I still
get joint pains and weird pops in my back, but they were far worse when I was on the blockers.
A month later, when I was 13, I had my first testosterone injection. It's caused permanent changes to my body. My
voice will forever be deeper, my jawline sharper, my nose longer, my bone structure um permanently masculineized,
my Adam's apple more prominent, my fertility unknown. I look in the mirror sometimes and
I feel like a monster. I had a double masectomy at 15. They
tested my amputated breast for cancer and I was cancer free. Of course, I was perfectly healthy. There was nothing
wrong with my still developing body. or my breasts. Other than that, as an insecure teenage girl, I felt awkward
about it. After my breasts were taken away from me, the tissue was incinerated. Before I was able to
legally drive, I had part I had a huge part of my future womanhood taken from me. I will never be able to breastfeed.
I struggle to look at myself in the mirror at times. I would I still I still
struggle to this day with sexual dysfunction. And I have massive scars across my chest. And the skin grafts
that they use that they took of my nipples are weeping fluid today. And they were
grafted into a more masculine positioning. They said
Chloe testified that day what that what she needed was was mental health therapy, but she never received it. And
she was not suicidal until after they did these horrible things to her. uh she pleaded with Congress to act so that
future children would not suffer what she did. Uh last week was a major turning point in this this for this uh
for these medical malpractice claims when a dransitioner was the first to successfully hold doctors liable uh with
a $2 million settlement for what they did to that poor girl. Just days later, the American Society of PLA plastic
surgeons and announced that they would no longer do transgender surgeries on minor in the minors in the AMA followed
suit. Uh this proves that if the bill your DOJ drafted were passed into law,
these barbaric practices would end immediately because all victims would be
able to be able to hold those who harmed them accountable. Could you share with us a little bit about your work in
advocating uh for victims like Khloe and what a private action right of action would mean for victims like her and
their families? Yes. And and first Congressman, thank you for championing this bill.
And also to to Khloe, what a brave young
woman to come before this body. Yes. And at age 19. at age 19 and talk about what
happened to her. Um, it's not about just giving relief to children who have been
harmed. It allows victims um whose healthy body parts have been damaged to
seek relief and obtain relief and and thanks to you and we are proud to work
hand inand with you on this issue. And I I think it's pretty sad none of our your
colleagues on the other side of the aisle even brought that up, but I I I hope they support this to protect all
children throughout this country. Well, General Bondi, thank you so much to you, to your department, to President
Trump. I yield back. Gentleman yields back. I've just saved some UC requests for the
end, Mr. Chairman. Okay, go right ahead. Thank you kindly. Uh record low crime during the Biden Harris administration.
crime down in every category in 2024 under Biden. FBI report says Trump takes
credit for violent crime drop where rates were already falling. Um from NPR,
Trump administration targets ATF with plans to cut jobs and ease gun restrictions. And then the a few oldies
but goodies. I've introduced these before about the claim that we didn't have anything to say about Epstein before the Trump administration. Raskin
joins call for attorney general to reopen Epstein case and publicly release Acasta misconduct investigation in
documents March 1, 2019. Oversight committee plans hearing with Acasta on
plea deal with Epstein July 10, 2019. And finally, 68 House members call for
resignation of labor secretary Acasta July 10, 2019. Without objection, uh, Attorney General
Bondi, thank you for your service to the country. Um, and thank you for being here for long day. We appreciate your
willingness to uh come and answer our questions and the great job you're doing for um our country. And that they got
one thing I got to say. This concludes today's hearing. We thank our witness for appearing before the committee. Without objection, all members will have
five legislative days to submit additional written questions for the witness or additional materials for the record. Without objection, the hearing
is adjourned.

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"The Truth Is Way Worse Than I Thought" | Whitney Webb’s Terrifying Discovery
Investigative Insights TV
Feb 10, 2026



Check out Whitney Webb's bestselling book exposing the criminal rise of Jeffrey Epstein (One Nation Under Blackmail): https://amzn.to/4kcNCdI

Credit to Corbett Report for their great interview with Whitney Webb.

This video traces Jeffrey Epstein’s rise not as a mysterious billionaire financier, but as a deeply embedded property developer operating at the intersection of real estate, intelligence networks, and organized crime. Drawing on early reporting from the 1980s and 1990s, it reconstructs Epstein’s overlooked business role alongside figures like Leslie Wexner and Donald Trump, situating his real estate activities as a financial infrastructure for money laundering, political leverage, and covert operations. Rather than an outsider who suddenly appeared among elites, Epstein is presented as a functional node in a long-standing transnational network rooted in distressed assets, offshore finance, and intelligence-linked capital flows.

The discussion challenges mainstream narratives by examining Epstein’s proximity to the Maxwell family, the shadowy collapse of Robert Maxwell’s empire, and the continuation of that legacy through Ghislaine Maxwell and her sisters in technology, surveillance software, and early Silicon Valley partnerships. The video also interrogates inconsistencies in media timelines, particularly surrounding Epstein’s documented connections to Microsoft, Bill Gates, and senior tech executives well before their publicly acknowledged meetings. These relationships are framed not as social accidents, but as part of a broader system in which philanthropy, tech investment, and real estate serve as tools for influence, laundering, and political insulation.

Ultimately, the video argues that focusing solely on Epstein’s sex crimes obscures his more consequential role as a financial criminal and facilitator for intelligence-organized crime symbiosis. By following the real estate deals, tech investments, and elite relationships that shaped his career, a larger picture emerges—one in which many of today’s economic, political, and technological power structures were forged decades ago, largely beyond public scrutiny. Turn on notifications to stay updated!

Transcript

In the '90s and the early 2000s, they
don't call Epstein "billionaire," or
"financial advisor," or any of these other
terms that are used later. They call him
"property developer." So he has a lot of
involvement in real estate, and he's
actually in the late '80s sharing
offices with a real estate family with
alleged ties to organized crime
called the Gouletas, and really focusing on
a lot of these markets. He's doing that
also with Leslie Wexner, who's also very
involved in Manhattan real estate and
all sorts of characters and who's
another big player in New York real
estate. Well, that would be Donald
Trump.

Donald Trump in the early 90s, when he
was facing bankruptcy, was bailed
out by this same bank, which is
interesting, because in the last few
years of Robert Maxwell's life, among
other people, Donald Trump was one of
the people seen on the Lady Ghislaine
yacht, sort of schmoozing with these
types of of people. And when the
mainstream media likes to report on
Trump and the Russian mob, what
they're not really saying is that these
are the old business partners of Robert
Maxwell.

And if you look at Trump's
reaction to the arrest of Jeffrey Epstein
in 2019, and then the subsequent arrest
of Ghislaine Maxwell, his reactions to
those are quite different. With Jeffrey
Epstein, he was like, "Oh, I'm not a
fan. I'm not a fan of the guy at all. We
parted ways, you know, many years ago."
And then with Ghislaine, he said, "I wish
her well." So the way it
looks to me is that Jeffrey Epstein,
while he's involved in this intelligence/
financial stuff, and Iran Contra stuff,
and Adnan Khashogghi, he's also getting
involved in real estate. And so in a lot
of early articles that mention Epstein
in the '90s and the early 2000s, they
don't call him "billionaire" or
"financial advisor," or any of these other
terms that are used later. They call him
"property developer." So he has a lot of
involvement in real estate. And he's
actually in the late 80s sharing offices
with a real estate family with
alleged ties to a organized crime family called
the Gouletas and really focusing on a lot
of these markets, and he's doing that
also with Leslie Wexner, who's also very
involved in Manhattan real estate, and
all sorts of characters. And who's
another big player in New York real
estate? Well, that would be Donald Trump.
And so it's been alleged that in the
80s, Tom Barrack, of Colony Capital, who's
relatively closely associated with Trump,
and was with his presidential campaign,
and subsequent presidency. To varying
degrees, Barrack, Trump and Epstein
would socialize a lot together, hit the
nightclubs together, and all of this. And
they're also working in real
estate, and distressed real estate, because Barrack, I
believe, also works in real estate
through Colony Capital.

Some authors, such as Michael Wolff, have alleged that, during the late 1980s and early 1990s, Trump and Epstein, along with Tom Barrack, were a "set of nightlife Musketeers" who frequently partied together.58 Barrack, founder and CEO of Colony Capital, was also a major player in real estate and subsequently played a key role in Trump’s later political career. During this same period, in 1990, Epstein bought a home in Palm Beach, making him Trump’s neighbor. This suggests that – at the very least – the two men became even better acquainted after that purchase.

-- One Nation Under Blackmail: The Sordid Union Between Intelligence and Crime that Gave Rise to Jeffrey Epstein, Volume One. Copyright © 2022 Whitney Webb

After that, it gets a little more murky,
as there's a lot we don't know
about the real estate activities in
which Epstein was engaged. There's some
really weird ones though, like him
renting from the State Department, and
weird things going on there.

RENTING A THIRD MANHATTAN MANSION

While the two houses on East 71st Street are of great interest to the Epstein case, it is worth noting where Epstein appears to have been living before he began occupying that residence around 1995 or so. Beginning in 1992, Epstein was renting a mansion on East 69th Street that had previously been the residence of the Iranian consul general.135 The property, described as a "small castle" and as "palatial" in reports, had been seized by the US government in 1980. It was specifically the State Department, under president George H.W. Bush, that began leasing that property to Epstein for $15,000 a month and Epstein, per reports, "had moved out" by January 1996.

However, Epstein continued to lease the building from the State Department well through 1997, but had begun subletting the residence in May 1996 to "highpro file attorney Ivan Fisher," who is best known for having "vigorously represented notorious crime figures over four decades."136 Some of those "crime figures" were represented by Fisher in the French Connection and Pizza Connection narcotics cases and a 2013 report in the New York Times noted that Fisher, early on in his legal career, had "developed a reputation for representing clients in federal narcotics cases."137

Epstein was charging Fisher $20,000 a month in rent, pocketing $5,000 for himself – a cozy arrangement which he did not clear with the State Department beforehand. However, Epstein had allegedly told Fisher that "the State Department had signed off on the deal."138 The State Department then sued Epstein and Fisher in November 1996 and, roughly a year later, Fisher was taken to court with the US Attorney’s office saying he owed "a year’s worth of $15,000-amonth rent for his uptown palace."139

However, around November 1996, Fisher had offered repeatedly to pay the government directly to continue renting the property, which was repeatedly declined. Per reports, the State Department was mainly upset that "Epstein hadn’t gotten permission to sublet" and would have been fine continuing to rent to him, ostensibly just "a financial adviser," but would not rent to a high-profile lawyer.140 This suggests that the State Department, in 1992, may have leased to Epstein for other reasons beyond just seeking a financially well-off tenant. Why Epstein would rent the property is also a mystery, as he owned two other (and neighboring) palatial residences on East 71st Street at the time, only one of which was known to be undergoing renovations during part of this period. Another relevant question: was this residence under Epstein’s care also fitted with an extensive camera network, as some of the properties under his control were?

This situation raises a still more obvious and important question: why did the State Department rent to Epstein in the first place? It appears the answer was Secretary of State from 1989 to 1992, James Baker III. According to Yahoo! News, the lawsuit brought against Epstein (and Fisher) by the State Department suggests that Epstein had a relationship with Baker. Epstein’s lawyer Jeffery Schantz was asked, "Do you know how Mr. Epstein came to know Secretary of State James Baker?" to which he responded 'No.’"141 The answer to this question may be related to a close friend of Baker’s Raymond Hill, who owned Mainland Savings in Houston, the S & L mentioned in chapter 7 that was tied to Adnan Khashoggi, also a client of Epstein’s.142 Hill was also connected to Walter Mischer and his sonin- law Robert Corson, who – as noted in chapter 6 – was allegedly tied to Israeli and American intelligence. According to an interview with Pete Brewton, James Baker’s former law firm, Andrews & Kurth, helped suppress investigations into Mainland Savings.143

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Notes:

135 Greg B. Smith, “Legal Eagle’s Free Ride: Lawyer Pays Not a Cent for Palatial East Side Digs,” New York Daily News, December 23, 1997; Benjamin Weiser, “Defending the Notorious, and Now Himself,” New York Times, January 5, 2013, https://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/06/nyre ... rious-and- now-himself.html.

136 Smith, “Legal Eagle’s Free Ride,”; Weiser, “Defending the Notorious.”

137 Weiser, “Defending the Notorious.”

138 Smith, “Legal Eagle’s Free Ride.”

139 Smith, “Legal Eagle’s Free Ride.”

140 Smith, “Legal Eagle’s Free Ride.”

141 “Docket for United States v. Epstein, 1:96-Cv-08307,” Court Listener, https://www.courtlistener. com/docket/10516885/united-states-v-epstein/; Julia La Roche, Aarthi Swaminathan, and Calder McHugh, “Jeffrey Epstein’s Lawyers Deeply Involved in His Business Dealings for Decades, Documents Show,” Yahoo Finance, August 13, 2019, https://finance.yahoo.com/news/jeffrey- ... y-schantz- 164305188.html.

142 “Pete Brewton Interview,” Texas Observer, December 25, 1992, https://archives.texasobserver.org/issu ... 25#page=15.

143 “Pete Brewton Interview.”

-- One Nation Under Blackmail: The Sordid Union Between Intelligence and Crime that Gave Rise to Jeffrey Epstein, Volume One. Copyright © 2022 Whitney Webb

To explain what are the more
damning aspects of the Trump Epstein
relationship, I have to explain what was going on with the sex
trafficking stuff with Epstein. So, as I
note in the book, I think there were
probably two parallel operations that
were going on. One is the one everyone
knows about about: the exploited girls,
and the massages, but there's another tier of girls who are,
lured in in the same way,
with offers of help and all this stuff,
but they actually receive that help and
are then cultivated. Even if
they're recruited underage, by the time
they cultivate them well over the age of 18, educate them,
etc., they become the wives
and girlfriends of the elite in this
social circle. And when it comes to
Trump, one of the women that Epstein was
cultivating in this way in the early
'90s was a Norwegian heiress named Selena
Middlefart, who actually accompanied Epstein
on one of his visits to the Clinton
White House in the '90s. And she became
Donald Trump's girlfriend in this
period after dating Epstein. And
then the subsequent girlfriend Trump has
after Middlefart is his current wife
Melania, who allegedly was introduced to
Trump also by Maxwell and Epstein.

According to the report entitled The BCCI Affair, by then-US Senators John Kerry (D-MA) and Hank Brown (R-CO), BCCI officials were alleged to have obtained leverage over and curried favor with powerful individuals, including prominent members of the ruling families of the United Arab Emirates (UAE), by providing them with young virgins, many of whom were under the age of 18.

The report (pages 69-70) specifically states:

BCCI’s involvement in prostitution arose out of its creation of its special protocols department in Pakistan to service the personal requirements of the Al-Nahyan family of Abu Dhabi, and on an as-needed basis, other BCCI VIPs, including the families of other Middle Eastern rulers.

Several BCCI officers described the protocol department’s handling of prostitution to Senate investigators in private, and two – Abdur Sakhia and Nazir Chinoy – confirmed their general knowledge of the practice in testimony.

The prostitution handled by BCCI was carried over from practices originally instituted by [BCCI founder Agha Hasan] Abedi at the United Bank, when working with a woman, Begum Asghair Rahim, he cemented his relationship with the Al-Nahyan family through providing them with Pakistani prostitutes.

Among BCCI bank officials in Pakistan, Begum Rahim was reputed to have in United Bank first won the favors or attention of the royal family by arranging to get virgin women from the villages from the ages of 16 to 20. Rahim would make payments to their families, take the teenaged girls into the cities, and there taught them how to dress and how to act, including the correct mannerisms. The women would be then brought to the Abu Dhabi princes. For years, Rahim would take 50-60 of these girls at a time to large department stores in Lahore and Karachi to get them outfitted for clothes. Given the size of Rahim’s revenue and her spending habits – $100,000 at a time was not unusual when she was engaged in outfitting her charges – her activities became notorious in the Pakistani community generally, and there was substantial competition among clothiers and jewelers for her business.

According to one U.S. investigator with substantial knowledge of BCCI’s activities, some BCCI officials have acknowledged that some of the females provided some members of the Al- Nahyan family [one of the ruling families in the UAE] were young girls who had not yet reached puberty, and in certain cases, were physically injured by the experience. The official said that former BCCI officials had told him that BCCI also provided males to homosexual VIPs.81

This BCCI-run sex trafficking operation has some obvious similarities to the operation that would later be run by Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, with Maxwell’s actions in that operation paralleling the actions of Begum Asghair Rahim to a considerable degree (see Chapter 18).

-- One Nation Under Blackmail: The Sordid Union Between Intelligence and Crime that Gave Rise to Jeffrey Epstein, Volume One. Copyright © 2022 Whitney Webb

So there's other cases besides Trump of
these women, including many of the women
that accompanied Trump to the Clinton
White House of sort of getting involved
with people in in Epstein's social
circle that were, you know, very
wealthy.
Epstein to the Clinton White House, you
mean?
Oh, sorry. Yeah, may have misspoken
there. Because most of Epste's White
House visits, there were 17 of them.
Several of them he's accompanied by
attractive young women. And a lot of
those women after time end up sort of
becoming, you know, girlfriends or wives
of, you know, people much older and
wealthier and powerful than than they
are. But a lot of those men have, you
know, telling connections to Epstein's
network. If you ask me about Jeffrey
Epstein's involvement in real estate, he
was most likely using it to facilitate
the other financial crimes in which he
was like provably or most likely engaged
at at distinct periods in his career
because real estate is a really useful
way to launder money for a lot of people
and Epstein over the course of his
career was very involved in money
laundering. So, you know, that's
probably why. But, you know, their
supposed tiff that, you know, ruined
their friendship and all of this was
over a a Palm Palm Beach mansion that
they both wanted to buy and they were
sort of got competitive and, you know,
why did they want the mansion? I think
the person that actually ended up buying
it like bulldozed it or something, but
it was probably not, you know, because
they wanted to live there. They wanted
to, you know, use that purchase for
something, whatever that was. I would
argue it was probably, you know, for
financial fun and games, for lack of a
better term. Yeah. So, Robert Maxwell
probably thought he was on top, but he
wasn't on top, right? And he's the kind
of guy that if you look at his career
and his personality also, he's very
bombastic. He's probably very
narcissistic. And so, but he also has a
lot of ability too when it comes to
financial stuff, especially in like
front companies and like labyrinths of
business webs and hiding money in
Likenstein and tax havens and all this
stuff. So the way it looks like to me it
sort of happened is that you know those
people that like spin plates on sticks
and stuff he was like stacking too much
right and eventually it started to
wobble in the in the early 90s and you
know they they tried to you know well
before he died there were efforts e
effort after effort after effort after
effort to stall the people that were
coming to call for like loans to be paid
back and all those sorts of stuff. I
mean he had bankers at his door all the
time in the last couple years of his
life. So, you know, it wasn't just like
all of a sudden, right? It was it was
definitely collapsing and they were
trying to prevent the collapse. And, you
know, based on people that have, you
know, written extensive biographies on
Robert Maxwell in this particular
period, he was getting really worried
and strung out, allegedly made threats
to people, particularly intelligence
agencies that, you know, he might say
stuff if they didn't give him money and
all other sorts of stuff. And you know,
I think probably the most telling thing
here is, you know, think what you want
to think about how Robert Maxwell died.
His daughter that was closest to him and
his activities in this period, Galileain
Maxwell thinks her father was killed by
renegade MSAD agents and Sicilian
contract hitman. So, you know, the
official story is that he, you know, it
was either an accident or he killed
himself or something, you know, but the
person that was closest to him in this
period doesn't believe that. When it's
introducing Jeffrey Epstein to a British
audience, he's probably someone most
people reading the Evening Standard, you
know, probably never heard of. And they
call him a property developer and all
this stuff. And they say he made most of
his money, most of his millions because
of business links with three men. And
those three men are Leslie Wexner,
Donald Trump, and Bill Gates. But wait,
I thought Bill Gates and Epstein didn't
meet until 2011. What is he doing here
in this 2001 article? Anyway, it may
have something to do with Galileain
Maxwell and Galain Maxwell's sisters.
So, after Robert Maxwell dies in 1991,
it's not just Galain that's trying to
continue her father's work. It's the
twin sisters Christine and Isabelle who
have admitted in interviews which I
reproduce in the book that they were
trying to rebuild a piece of their
father's legacy and what they had done
previously when their father was still
alive as especially in the case of
Christine Maxwell was manage the front
company that was used to sell the bugged
promise software to the India national
laboratory in the United States. So you
know directly involved in the tech
aspect of her father's espionage
activities on behalf of Israeli
intelligence. So anyway, they create
this company called the McKenley Group,
which produces the one of the early
search engines called Mellin. And Mellin
makes all these deals with, you know,
some of the big tech companies at the
time, including Microsoft. The vice
president of the McKenley group is
Isabelle Maxwell. Isabelle Maxwell is
the person that makes those deals with
those tech titans. So, she would have
been the person to have that direct
connection with Microsoft. And before I
go any further, it's important to point
out that Galain Maxwell had a
significant stake in this company as did
Kevin Maxwell who was wanted to be his
father reincorporated after his death
and was involved in all other as many
other aspects of this company as well.
and in 2000 article that's about
Isabelle Maxwell because at this point
she's in charge of a IDF Israel
intelligence connected called comtouch
which is basically rescued by Paul Allen
and Microsoft which invests a bunch of
money in in her company when it makes no
sense to do so because it's hemorrhaging
money and you know has very you know its
product isn't great and it doesn't have
a lot of market share and all stuff but
for some reason they pour a bunch of
money into it and you know she's talking
about CompTouch in this in this article
and it's talking about her relationship
with Bill Gates which obviously precedes
2000 and we can assume goes back to this
Mellin Microsoft team up which was like
around 1995 or so and the way you know
Isabel Maxwell over the years has given
lots and lots and lots of interviews
about all sorts of stuff and I I read as
many as I could find and this is the
only one where she talks about Bill
Gates and it's the only one where she is
described by the journalist as purring
when she talks and adopts a faux
southern accent, meaning like southern
American accent when talking about Bill
Gates and how I can't remember exactly
what she says, but something about like
convincing her, convincing him to put
money from the foundation into calm
touch or something like that. It's
bizarre. So,
well, he has to spend $340 million a
year, so why not do it this way? As she
says in the interview, Yeah. So weird.
Yeah. Yeah. that that that's the quote.
Yeah, it's it's super bizarre and
definitely uh deserves further, you
know, investigation to figure out what
was up there. But obviously something is
very weird with why both Paul Allen, who
ends up with some of these women close
to Epstein, like Nicole Youngerman,
who's I think is part of this elite
girlfriend and wives op that Epstein was
running, ends up around Paul Allen,
whatever. And then, you know, they're
dumping money into this company that's
losing lots of money and eventually, you
know, basically collapses. Well, gets
close to collapsing. I mean, it never
really recovers and becomes a profitable
company at any point. And I'm trying to
think of another couple other points to
bring. Oh, yeah. So, when it comes to
Microsoft also, you know, it's not just
the Maxwells. have like Epstein in the
same period is having Nathan Mervald
who's the chief technology officer of
Microsoft on his plane and later when he
leaves Microsoft Mervald leaves
Microsoft he has like Epstein is
bringing like young potentially underage
Eastern European women to visit Mervald
and his offices and stuff and around
1998 or so Mervald takes Epstein on a
official Microsoft Russia trip that is
very interesting because They're taking
photos in front of uh taking photos with
employees of like the nuclear center in
Russia which previously just a couple
months before this I think had gotten in
trouble well a company Silicon Valley
company called Silicon Graphics had
gotten in trouble for selling them a
superco computer that they weren't
supposed to sell and this whole that's
that whole theme ties up with a lot of
the stuff I write about with Epste and
the Clinton White House and it was
probably going on there and all of that.
So there's um you know a whole bunch of
crazy stuff there. So I mean if you ask
me like why mainstream media won't look
into this evidence about Epstein
Microsoft and potentially Bill Gates
well before 2011 I think it has a lot
more to do with protecting Microsoft
than protecting Bill Gates because by
2011 Bill Gates wasn't really running
the show at Microsoft anymore but he was
in this other period of time. And
there's a few other Microsoft, you know,
executives like Blinda Stone and and
some other ones that were very close to
Epstein, even even hired people members
of Epstein's entourage as assistants and
stuff like that. And one of these is the
people that uh connects Epstein to the
MIT media lab. I think the head of that
had to resign because of the Epstein
donations and Gates apparently donated
there and I think somewhere else at
Epstein's direction and you know I don't
know the whole thing with Gates and and
Epstein and philanthropy is is you know
really crazy too but the whole
philanthropy discussion you know you
have this talk about the Clinton
Foundation and other stuff in that in
that particular conversation but you
know there's a reason that that Gates
was interested in Epstein for
philanthropy and it's not the reason
he's giving I think it's because Epstein
was a pioneer in this new method of
philanthropy which is basically impact
investing or you know creating a slush
fund disguised as a philanthropic
organization and he he was very at it.
Jeffrey Epste was as much a financial
criminal as a sex criminal. There's a
very particular reason why mainstream
media only wants to talk about his sex
crimes between 2000 and 2006. Jeffrey
Epste was also not an anomaly in the
network in which he operated. Numerous
people engaged in sex blackmail and sex
trafficking. If you think these issues
died with Jeffrey Epstein, you were
sorely mistaken. But one of the reasons
Jeffrey Epstein is is really important
is because a lot of the situation in
which we find ourselves, whether it's
impending economic collapse,
transhumanism,
all sorts of this he had his hands in
those pies and a lot more. And if you
were to pull on the Epstein thread, I
guess you could say, you you start to
unravel a lot of the bigger picture and
a lot of what is going on right now has
its origins. decades ago and basically
the people running the show here and
that were you know that Epstein was
fronting for it's uh the intelligence
and organized crime uh but it's a
symbiosis of those two entities that has
become so interconnected they are one
and the same and these are basically the
people that are running most governments
in the world Today.

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FBI Affidavit INSTANTLY SCREWS Trump on EPSTEIN!??!
Legal AF
Feb 13, 2026

After Jeffrey Epstein's probe became public in 2006, Donald Trump told Palm Beach County's police chief that "everyone" knew Epstein's crimes and that Ghislaine Maxwell was "evil," according to an FBI affidavit first reported by The Miami Herald. Trump's supporters have claimed the document exonerates him, but the context makes the document deeply disturbing. Former Florida State Attorney Dave Aronberg breaks it down in a conversation wtih Adam Klasfeld of All Rise News.



Transcript

Last week, the Miami Herald's Julie K.
Brown, who blew the Epstein story wide
open several years ago, did it again
with this headline of a file that she
discovered in the Epstein files. Quote,
Trump told Palm Beach Police Chief
everyone knew about Epstein. Maxwell was
evil. And just like her original
investigation, Perversion of Justice,
this has had an aftermath that keeps on
going. Right now you have the Trump camp
claiming that there is total exoneration
in this file that Trump blew the whistle
on Jeffrey Epstein to Palm Beach County
Police Chief Michael Writer in 2006
after the investigation of Jeffrey
Epstein went public when he said this.
This is from an interview with police
chief writer more than a decade later
relating what happened. Donald Trump
told him that he threw Epstein out of
his club. Trump called the PBPD to tell
him, "Thank goodness you're stopping
him. Everyone has known he's been doing
this." Trump told him people in New York
knew Epstein was disgusting. Trump said
Maxwell was Epstein's operative. She is
evil and focus on her. That's from an
FBI interview in 2019 when the Epstein
investigation was ongoing. Here to
discuss the actual significance of that
passage in context is Florida law man,
former Florida State Attorney Dave
Aaronburgg. Dave, how are you doing?
It's great to be with you. I'm doing
fine, Adam. Thanks for having me. And
this was supposed to be exoneration for
President Trump, but it turned into a
self-own,
right? And let's talk about why that is.
You have people in the Trump camp
calling him a whistleblower. He blew the
whistle on Jeffrey Epstein and Galain
Maxwell. He said, "She is evil. Focus on
her." In 2006,
what is the significance of that date?
And can someone be a whistleblower after
they learn about the existence of an
investigation?
No. 2006 was when Epstein was charged
with crimes or at least the
investigation was in full force. You had
a very motivated police chief out there,
Michael Ryder on Palm Beach who wanted
to take Epstein down. He was frustrated
with the slow process at the local state
attorney's office, my old office. This
was three administrations before I was
there. And so he then went to the feds
and said, "Feds come on in and take this
over."
So he would have loved to have
witnesses. He would have loved to have a
prominent person like Donald Trump come
forward. Uh but Trump did not until
2006. Now 2006 is when the thing was
over. The gig was up. And after Epstein
was arrested, then uh Trump then went
and called the police chief and said,
"Good guys, Slebag
Gain Maxwell is evil." you know,
everyone knew about this. But then later
in 2019, Trump said, "I didn't know
anything about this." So, it's not
exactly the exoneration that you would
think in in that he said that he
everyone knew back then and then in more
recently said, "I didn't know anything."
And then he only told police and called
Michael Ryder after Epstein was already
in handcuffs, not before. And when did
Trump's relationship with Epstein
actually end? There's a little bit of
mystery around that question, isn't it?
Yeah. You know, I always wondered why
Trump didn't lean into the buzz that was
around Palm Beach in that Epstein was
not a member of Mara Lago, but he was a
frequent guest. And when he was a guest,
he inappropriately
was hitting on the underage daughter of
a member. Now, just awful. So, and and
then Trump found out because the member
spoke to Trump about it and then Trump
kicked him out. And I always wondered
why he didn't lean into that because
that would make him look good. Well,
Trump's explanation of why he broke off
with Epstein changed. He said it was
because of a land deal. They were
fighting over property. That's why they
broke up. Then he also said, "Well, it's
because Epstein was stealing employees
from him, like Virginia from his spa."
So, the fact that there's multiple
explanations tells you that I don't know
which one is true. And I don't know if
this is helping him by having multiple
uh ways to try to exonerate himself. You
got to have one story or else it looks
like a fabrication, doesn't it?
Right. And to put this in further
context, this is a record of him uh
reportedly telling Chief Writer back in
2006 that Maxwell is evil. Flash forward
to after Maxwell's indictment more than
a decade later and what does he say? He
wishes her well.
Natalie, I want to pivot quickly and
play another clip from yesterday's
briefing when President Trump was asked
about accused child trafficker Galain
Maxwell. Let's listen.
Just Maxwell is in prison and a lot of
people want to know if she's going to
turn in powerful people. And I know
you've talked in the past about Prince
Andrew and you've criticized Bill
Clinton's behavior. I'm wondering, do
you feel that she's going to turn in
powerful men? How do you see that
working out?
I don't know. I haven't really been
following her too much. I just wish her
well, frankly. Uh I've met her numerous
times over the years, especially since I
lived in Palm Beach and I guess they
lived in Palm Beach. Uh but I wish her
well, whatever it is. Uh I don't know
the situation with Prince Andrew. Just
don't know. Not aware of it.
So, what do we know about the
president's relationship with Maxwell
and her now deceased alleged
co-conspirator Jeffrey Epstein?
Well, Tanya, we heard the president
acknowledge meeting her, he said
numerous times over the years, but we
did not hear the president acknowledge
the very serious charges and allegations
she is facing of helping Jeffrey Epstein
to recruit, groom, and sexually abuse
young girls. Now, last year, you might
remember, President Trump tried to
distance himself from Jeffrey Epstein uh
after his arrest on sex trafficking
charges, saying that he knew him just
like everybody in Palm Beach knew him.
Also, uh the president said that he had
a falling out with Epstein and said he
wasn't a fan. But that's a very
different commentary uh than what he
gave in a 2002 magazine interview uh as
a citizen and businessman uh when Mr.
Trump said that Epstein was a terrific
guy. He knew for 15 years also said uh
Epstein liked beautiful w women many on
the younger side. Uh now his comments
regarding uh wishing Maxwell well have
not gone over well on Twitter. Uh even
receiving some criticism from a
Republican lawmaker Chip Roy of Texas
who tweeted this. This is unacceptably
obtuse for a woman accused of the most
morally depraved of crimes. He tweeted
that to the president saying that
Maxwell who is at this point charged
needs to be severely punished. Tanya.
All right, Natalie Brand at the White
House. Thank you so much for joining us.
Right. Yeah, that says a lot. And she
got preferential treatment after
speaking to Todd Blanch for nine hours.
By the way, she never took the fifth
once. Not once. She took the fifth
before testifying before Congress. And
after saying that she never saw Trump do
anything inappropriate, she then was
moved to a minimum security prison in
Texas where she gets extra toilet paper
and access to puppies. So, the fact that
Trump is wishing her well, it's a far
cry from calling her evil. She is the
devil's accomplice. She is a
professional liar. And we should never
believe anything she says. But it seems
that the Trump administration is with
baited breath waiting for her to spill
the beans and say the truth about
everything which will exonerate Trump.
Again, she will only speak when it
benefits her. otherwise she'll take the
fifth. She has never to this day
acknowledged that she or even Jeffrey
Epstein did anything inappropriate.
Right? And I can see why people in the
Trump camp are latching on to this. This
is how we would want a president of the
United States to act when confronted
with the depravity of Jeffrey Epstein.
But you look at this in context. He only
reaches out after the investigation is
public. And many years after the
investigation, the woman who he's
calling evil, he seems to be bending
over backwards to give her that
preferential treatment and send his own
personal attorney to have a friendly
chat where he doesn't challenge her on
any single part of her story. Do you did
you see the press conference that Todd
Blanch had where he said he did not know
of this latest allegation from Gain
Maxwell that there were 25
people men who cut deals with Epstein
victims and thus they should be
considered co-conspirators. Well, she
made that allegation in her habius
petition back in December. So, it's only
coming to light now, but she made that
allegation saying that this is selective
prosecution. She shouldn't be the only
one prosecuted. There's all these other
people out there who committed these
crimes.
How did Todd Lynch not know about this
allegation if she inter if he
interviewed her for 9 hours? He
interviewed for 9 hours and didn't know
that she was accusing other people of
being unedited co-conspirators. Or maybe
he didn't ask the right questions. Or
maybe she's lying. Lying then or now or
always. And of course, she was charged
with two counts of perjury from her
deposition in civil litigation with
Virginia Du Juy.
Yeah. Who who charged her? What what
administration was that? The liberals
probably Biden, right? Right. What
administration charged her with perjury?
That was Trump 1.0. And all of a sudden,
all of a sudden, she's a trustworthy
person who you send Trump's personal
attorney to have an in a friendly
dialogue, a friendly chat. You can't
really even call it an interview. Let's
talk about some of the things that came
out in the Epstein files that completely
undermined what Galain Maxwell told Todd
Blanch during that friendly two-day
conversation. One of the things that
Galain Maxwell said during that
conversation and several other times,
even outside of that conversation, was
that the infamous photo, the photo
everyone has seen of Virginia Juy and
Gileain Maxwell and then Prince Andrew
was she called it a fake. She we found
out in the Epstein files that she
admitted its authenticity. There are a
couple of other files that show her
several of the things that she told Todd
Blanch denying that Donald Trump that
she ever saw Donald Trump and Epstein in
a room together that could completely
contradicting that. It is this house of
cards falling? Well,
it it it's hard to say because it does
seem like until as long as Mike Johnson
is there, there will be no real
repercussions. Like you see
accountability in Europe, you see Prince
Andrew no longer prince. You see this
guy Mendlesson uh being chastised and
demoted and you see all these other
officials around the world, but nothing
in the United States except for Glenn
Maxwell being prosecuted. And that
happened years ago. So, is is is the
House a card starting to fall? I think
once Mike Johnson is not there, I think
you'll see real congressional inquiries.
The Democrats will go after him. I think
you'll see Republicans not want to stand
in the way of this. This is toxic. They
don't want to get in front of this
train. And I do think there'll be more
accountability. But right now, Mike
Johnson has been a stalwart to protect
the president and to try to prevent the
public from seeing these files. After
all, he adjourned Congress to make sure
that a new member of Congress wasn't
seated, so they couldn't vote on
releasing the files.
It's such a good point that you make
about accountability happening in other
places. You mentioned then Prince Andrew
losing his royal titles and other
countries taking action. I saw
investigations opening up in Latafia, in
Lithuania. Is that the way things are
headed now that the Department of
Justice under Trump loses all
credibility? That they hang under every
thread that would seem to exonerate
their side and bury their heads on
everything that does not that we have to
look to other countries to that still
have credible investigations to carry
this thing forward.
Yeah. I think the fact that there is
accountability elsewhere is starting to
make people talk in Washington DC that
we can't be the only country that builds
a wall around those who were involved
with Epstein to protect him. I mean
there there's got to be accountability.
Here's one way you can do it. Howard
Lutnik, who is the Secretary of
Commerce, who said to a TV interviewer
that he lived next door to Epstein, and
when he and his wife visited, the one
time they did, they saw a massage table
and candles and it was so creepy. And
then Epstein said something to the
effect of, "You know what kind of
massages? I like something really
creepy." And so Lundick stormed out,
said, "We are never going to speak to
these people again." and yet turns out
he and his wife and his children went to
Epstein Island for lunch and apparently
had multiple communications with Epstein
and even had some business with Epstein.
So, so much for that. You know, at some
point when you continue to lie about it,
there should be repercussions. And now
you have Republicans even calling for
his head. I think as long as Mike
Johnson is there to protect Trump, I
think that you never have to say you're
sorry.
Well, we'll leave it at that. Thank you,
Dave, for breaking it down.
Thanks for having me. And if I could
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IHIP News: Rep. DROPS BOMB on Trump After Seeing UNREDACTED Files! "The Famous Names are HORRIFIC"
I've Had It
Feb 13, 2026

We are joined by Congressman Ro Khanna to discuss the unredacted Epstein files and the horrifying reality they expose.



Transcript

All right, welcome to IHIP News. We are in New York with Congressman Ro K Connor who has been in the epicenter of the
biggest coverup in American history. I think possibly global history and of course I'm talking about the Epstein
files. You have partnered with a strange bedfellow, a Republican, bipartisanship
support to release the full files. First of all, it's good to see you in
person. I usually see you just on a Zoom screen and I appreciate uh your voice.
It's been so disturbing and disgusting. I mean, look, I've met these survivors
uh for months. They've come into Congressman Thomas Massie in my offices. They have broken down in tears. People
talk about being raped at 13, 14, and then being told to recruit others or
they're going to continue to be raped. One person said it's like a box. You can push it away, but it comes back up. So
for me and Thomas Massie and Marjorie Taylor Green, this became very personal
and to see the level of people who are involved uh and the most famous people
and powerful people in finance, in business, in Hollywood, thinking there's nothing wrong going to a convicted
pedophile's island and watching at parties where pe girls are being paraded
naked or knowing that young girls are being raped. I mean, it is just horrifying to me. Genuinely horrifying.
And that's why I call this the Epstein class because if you look at the survivors, so many of them come from
working-class backgrounds. One of the things I found so disturbing is many of them didn't have a father. So, they were
being prayed on in that kind of calculated way. And the people who were abusing and raping them were rich and
powerful and new politicians and told them don't call the police. So it is
just this abuse of power that people for their own gratification treated these folks as disposable for years.
What percentage of the Epstein files have you seen?
I have seen uh more than probably most, but it's still two 2% or so because they
have 3 million of these files that they they're allowing us to to see. uh and
the unredacted versions of just those three million. They're three million that they've totally scrubbed the FBI,
but they give us one hour to to do it in a cubicle about the size of the studio
with four computers. So, they've they've kept a lot of it hidden. Uh and I have
more insight because I' I've got a great team and I' and the survivors will text me. You know, one person without
revealing her confidence said, "Look, I was raped when I was 17 in uh in
France." And uh there was I was raped in a building by someone who had the uh bu
lived in the same building as Jeff Jeffrey Epstein. And this person's in the files and he's left the United
States and he left France because he doesn't want to be under any jurisdiction. And she's like, "Why
aren't we investigating this person? Why aren't we prosecuting this person?" And I can't tell you how many cases there
are like that. They're not all famous people. They're just rich and powerful men who raped these girls. And they
there's no investigation. There's no prosecution. And one of them texted me after Pam Bondi and she said, "I've lost
hope." Right? I mean, all the pundits are looking at this, "Oh, who insulted who? Who came out ahead?" and the
survivors are just saying what is going on in this country that we can't get
investigations and prosecution. Uh Pam Bondi I thought her ridiculous
immature smug performance was most I mean it most of all was a direct insult
to these victims and such a flagrant um expression that your voice doesn't
matter. But what I have to think about is these women came forward a long time ago during the Obama administration.
Yes. And if we take it all the way back, we have Democratic DOJ's uh and then
Trump's DOJ where Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide. And then I said that in quotes if for those of you that are
listening and then we have Merrick Garland's DOJ where that wasn't even investigated at all. And now it's back
here. And because of you and your bipartisanship, we are pushing forward. And it's just unbelievable to me. I
heard Jamie Raskin say that he thinks Trump's name is in the files over 1 million times.
He did and and Jaime is not one to exaggerate. I mean, he's very precise and uh he looked at some of the searches
and and and came to that conclusion. I mean, Trump's all all over it. As are, by the way, people in his own cabinet
and administration. I mean, the fact that Lutnik is still in the cabinet should just be horrifying regardless of
your politics. He is our representative, our face of business to the world. and he takes his family to Epstein's
island after he knows that Epstein is a convicted pedophile and he lies about it
and then he has alleged business dealings with it. And Donald Trump who from his own documents calls up the
police in 2006 saying I need I know that Epstein is doing some horrible things with young girls. He has Howard Lutnik
in his cabinet even though Lutnik was uh doing business with this guy after Trump called. The fact that we're not willing
to say Republicans and Democrats that Lutnik doesn't need to go sends a message that we're just okay with this
that that if you have wealth, if you have power, there's no accountability. And look at other countries. I mean, the
British monarchy is in trouble. The British government may fall. Norway, the princess, is not going to become queen
because of the l lack of public support. In Sweden and Austria, they're investigating anyone who had any correspondence with Epstein. Yet in our
country, there isn't this sense of accountability. And you know, it seems that there's a
through line between January 6 and the Epstein files. And what it is is that they go after uh low-level offenders in
January 6. They never went after who funded it. Exactly. All of those people that got ended up becoming convicted and then got a
pardon, these are people that got radicalized online. Somebody paid their way out to DC. They committed these
crimes. Right now, we know since then that Trump has spent $3 million of his own money to
fund January 6. But DOJ set on this set on the rich people that funded it, much
like they're doing with the Epstein files. And what's been so jarring for me with the Epstein files are the timestamps.
Right after somebody is a convicted pedophile, Howard Lutnik, we're bringing our
children and here are their genders and ages. That's some weird That really is. I mean, that's just unbelievable that
you don't have as a parent, we're not going there. And the fact that Howard Letic New York Post tried to provide
cover before this came out and every time I open up my phone, a new person from
Trump's orbit has entered the chat. Yeah. Dr. Oz has entered the Epstein chat. I saw that. It's almost as if
they all got together and said, "Look, we have to go back and get these files or we're all going down." I mean, it's
what what leads you to believe the collusion and the cover up and the coordination with all of these men to
suppress it. And then you have Pam Bondi who is genderwashing the whole thing. Um
the the the sweetheart deal and the prison moving of Gilane Maxwell. Could
you imagine if that happened under Democratic DOJ? Yeah. I mean, it's so much for Law and Order. I mean, they're basically taking
someone who is a convicted pedophile who facilitated the abuse and rape of these
young girls, and she has the audacity to testify saying, "I know who the other men are. I can name them, but I'm not
going to name them unless you give me clemency and let me out of prison." I mean, she's basically uh is saying to
the entire country, I know all of this, but get me out of prison. And she's trying to cut a deal with Trump. And
then Trump is uh basically saying, "I don't want Bill Clinton to testify because I know if he testifies, I'm
going to have to testify." And Maxwell is there saying, "I'm going to tell you that Trump and Clinton didn't do
anything wrong." It is a it is a club. And that's what's that's why they fought
so hard to to make this to cover this up. And it's not just me saying it or even Massie saying it. I mean, Nancy
Mace came up to me and we've had heated disagreements. You said, "Ro, this is a cover up. It's a cover up." And look,
they scrubbed in March. Donald Trump ordered the FBI to scrub those files.
They scrubed them, right? Thomas Massie and my bill passes in November that says
you need to give all the files that are there. Here's what they do. They send
the scrubbed FBI files to the DOJ. The DOJ then does additional redactions. And
now they're asking members to come in and see the files that the DOJ redacted, but not the original scrubbed FBI files.
So members are going there and they're saying, "Well, there's still everything is still blacked out because they have not done the unredactions of the FBI
files." And what's in the FBI files? That's the most important stuff. Yeah, we got the emails that show that people
went to the island and uh were involved, but the survivors have named the names,
and those are in the FBI files. How do I know? because I've talked to the survivors and the survivors lawyers. I
was so angry about it that I went on the House floor uh after Massie and I found six people who were covered uh and
shouldn't have been and I just named their names because there has to be some sense of accountability in this country.
Yeah. And then what is really interesting to me is how connected
Jeffrey Epstein was with very nefarious adversaries andor allies of the United
States. um communications with Russia, communications with Israel, and I always
had wondered how did he get all of this money? How how is how was he a billionaire? Right. And as you start to see this whole
scheme unfold because of you and um Congressman Massiey's bill, you start to
deduce that, oh, was he blackmailing people? All of these wealthy people are
have access to rape little girls. um these conversations with Peter Thiel and
Palunteer and now all of these government contracts to Palunteer. They're surveilling you and your
co-workers. Peter Thiel wants a surveillance state. The emails between
Jeffrey Epste and Peter Thiel about these two deciding that democracy is incompatible and they're cheering on
Brexit. That stuff, aside from all the child sex stuff, is a bombshell for
national security and it just it doesn't seem to get traction.
Well, you're absolutely right. I mean, look, he is uh meeting with Gordon Brown's uh trade representative, Peter
Mandelson, who's giving him tips that Britain is going to be buying the eur euro and uh and Epstein is trading on
it. He is collecting prime ministers as if they're you know part of his friend
network and he's talking about facilitating introductions uh to for the Indian prime minister in the United
States. He's talking about what he's going to do with uh the Israeli prime minister to the point that Benjamin
Netanyahu felt compelled to address the issue. He had met with Ehoud Barack so
many times. Uh and he's meeting with the rich and powerful across the the world.
Uh and so this is a club and it's a club that has no regard for the law that is
extractive in its wealth generation that has shafted sort of the working class not just in this country but in other
parts of of of the world and really has given rise to an angry populism. And so
the the historians are going to study those files not just for the rape and
for what what happened and the survivors. are going to study it from a lens of how callow, immature, reckless,
venal the elite, the governing elite of our society in America and around the world were at this time. I mean, it's a
it's a shameful look at at the elite. And what do you make of Donald Trump's
the claims in there? There is some sworn testimony, not tipline. Sworn testimony
of sexual violence against the president witnessed signed under oath. What do you
make of that? He needs to be investigated and answer questions. I mean, the there's an FBI
sheet where he's listed as one of the top uh suspects for alleged wrongful
behavior and alleged crimes. Uh and the reality is that uh he's he's literally
the first person who should be deposed and asked questions. I mean, and here we have, you know, comr chasing everyone
else. And that's not saying, look, I think the Clinton should come. I think the others should come, but how do you not have Donald Trump as the first
person that you're asking questions under oath and that there was there should be an investigation and there
should be an investigation for for everyone? And Massie and I have said this from day one. It's not partisan for
us. It's not about Trump. It's not about Clinton. It's about the people who were involved and holding them accountable.
And uh he shouldn't be above the law and escape the accountability. He always does, doesn't he?
He always does, though. This is different. And he knows this is different. You know why this is different? I was on uh Sean Ryan's
podcast. He's one of the uh the big podcasters on the on the MAGA side. He was all in for Trump. And he said, "Ro,
I would never vote for him again because he's protecting pedophiles. I just am I'm done with him." and uh you know he's
got someone in a factory town in Michigan saying m you know Donald Trump stop protecting pedophiles. This has
broken through and it's broken through particularly I think with a lot of young men who see the world as good and bad
and they thought okay they're the good guys. They're on the side of law enforcement and these are bad guys and
Donald Trump was going to somehow expose this corruption and now he's part of the corruption. I I think this has cut more
deeply in his MAGA base and losing trust than almost anything. And he he knows that. That's why he keeps saying let's
move on. Let's move on. The irony is every time he says move on, it just becomes a bigger and bigger issue. What about your Republican colleagues? I
um remember you and I are old enough to remember when there was a sense of decorum
in the house and uh civility and I feel like there is a mass magga psychosis
like if you look at the speaker of the house whom I refer to as Moses Mike Johnson because he has conversations
with God. Um the he's so I haven't been so blessed.
Me either. He's so these men are so submissive. They campaign and they uh do
all of this tough talk that there are these big alpha males and Donald Trump is this, you know, beacon of masculinity. Yeti wears a full face of
makeup, right? Decorates his oval office to the point of a complete travesty. Listens Blair's
opera music. I mean, just kind of acts like this old queen. And then you have all of these alpha males, your
colleagues that pretend to be alpha males that are so submissive to this man. Yeah. These MAGA people, a lot of them deeply
religious. Do you think it's breaking through to any of your colleagues or are they too scared of him? Are they too
scared to buck him or do they just have maga psychosis? Like get us into the psychology of these Republicans that
have this power and don't use it. They don't practice what they preach. I think it was the Republican women who broke
Trump when when when history writes the turning point because it was a Nancy Mace and Marjorie Taylor Green and
Lauren Boowbert that stood with Thomas Massie and me and at some point it'll come out what all threats they had to
undergo. I mean, being hauled into the situation room, being threatened, not just with their careers, but security.
And they stood up and people didn't think we had a shot in hell to to get this passed. And we passed it in the
House and we passed it in the Senate. And Donald Trump caved. And since that moment where people said, "Wow, Trump,
you can stand up to Trump and you can win." There have been so many of these Republican discharge petitions now on
different issues. It's sort of like the floodgates have opened up that yeah, you can question Donald Trump. You can stand
up to Trump. It's still not enough. Uh but people see that he's losing his grip
on his own base for those all this masculinity. I mean, what is more masculine than protecting a young girl
from a pedophile? So, they see the protection of pedophiles as the least masculine thing. And uh and and and this
has started to break through. So I I believe that you have a crack in the MAGA coalition. Though I was
disappointed yesterday with Pam Bondi because they all circled the wagons, but Pam Bondi allegedly was threatening
Republicans that the DOJ is going to go after you if you don't fall in line. And they did this to Mark Kelly, right?
They're they've done this to to Eric Swallwell. They're they're perfectly capable of opening up investigations to
make someone's life uh very difficult. Uh and this is what you look they they have certain they haven't done that to
me. One of the reasons that no one goes went after the Epstein files just in re real
talk is there are a lot of powerful people there and there are a lot of powerful people who are donors on both
sides and you make a lot of enemies. I mean Massie has all these billionaires coming after him for multiple reasons. I
have billionaires upset at me and they don't they won't say it's because of the Epstein files but the reality is the way
to make it up in politics is you you it's addition. You keep your head down. you're affable. You make friends. You
try to win everyone over. You don't go take fights with the most powerful people. You don't make enemies. Uh and
both Massie and I had a sort of a maverick streak saying, "No, we we don't care." And that's I think and we did win
in this case in terms of the legislation. I think it's giving more people the confidence to stand up.
What do you think is the ultimate push of all of this? I mean, they're breaking the law right now, correct? by not
releasing the full files. So, what power do you all have to continue to
force the drip of all of this information? We the survivors could go to court. You
know, Massie and I lost in court in put calling for a special master judge. I
believe that uh he may the judge may actually think that was a good idea given these redactions. We didn't lose
on the merits. He just said we didn't have standing, but the survivors do. and he welcomed us to bring a lawsuit. So
the courts are an option. In my view, once we take back Congress, we should have a special committee on the Epstein
hearings and we should hold in front of Congress every single person who has
emails saying, "I went or want to go to Epstein's Island." I mean, if if if someone goes to an island with a known
convicted pedophile where, you know, young girls are being raped, I'm not saying they're guilty, but you would at
least think they'd be investigated, asked, "What did you see? What do you know? what was happening there. None of
that happened. So, Congress should be having those investigations and the next administration needs to say we will
actually investigate and prosecute this. I have no confidence in Pam Bondi or Donald Trump actually doing that and we
our law mass and my law doesn't allow for the uh unclassification of information because that would have been
unconstitutional. But a president should appoint someone who is trusted really trusted to look at the uh intelligence
the classified information about Epstein. They're public pictures of him at the CIA to look so it's not
conspiratorial and explain to the American public how did he make his money, what was he doing, what were his
actual uh ties to intelligence agencies here or around the world and not speculate about it, but actually do
that. What about what do you know about his brother Mark Epste? He seems to be
pushing this narrative that he it wasn't a suicide and he's ordering a new
autopsy. Does that fall into anything that you all are doing or do you keep a breast of that? So when I started all of this, I would
have told you he killed himself for sure and now I have some doubt. I mean I don't I can't say that it's not the
truth but there are too many things that they have covered up that I don't know for for for sure and that is why I think
we have to look at not just the unclassified information but also the
classified information and only the president can do it. Congress can't declassify. So you need uh and this
president obviously isn't going to do it. So they that is something for for the future but it for right now Congress
could haul these people in tomorrow. I mean, Speaker Johnson, if he was just even for the politics, he should be
appointing a special committee, put Massie and me in charge of it, or even do Garcia and Comr at oversight and
start hauling people in and asking them what they knew, what they they what they did they do, and let's investigate these
people if justice isn't going to investigate them. And the speaker just seems 100% out to
lunch. Every interview I see with him, if it's a controversial question, he says, "Oh, I haven't heard of this." And
I'm like, you're you monitor your son's porn. You said that on his words. He takes the
time to monitor his son's porn use and his son monitors his porn use. And he expects us to believe that he's not
briefed on the things that are happening in the country when he is the speaker of the house. And to have that kind of power
and not wield it, to be speaker is just about the most submissive thing I have
ever seen. Do you see any people in the Republican party, you said there's some fissures with the women, do you see any
fissures with the men in the Republican party? Because there's a theory, proven
theory, that when strong men, and that's what Trump is, a dictator, when they become frail and you can see the
physical manifestations of their aging, right? You know, he has the cankles, he has to wear the makeup on his hands, he
has the looks like he has had a stroke, the droopy face, that that's when fissures within the support really start taking off. And I
feel like from now to midterms would be the most important time for this to happen because I do not trust
him to not do everything in his power to uh suppress, cheat. Oh, absolutely.
Have I harass people, do all I he will do. It's all on the table. Yeah. Look, I I I think you're absolutely
right. I didn't think of it in terms of the physical aging, but this is how like other countries that have authoritarian rulers, they just wait until the ruler
ages, right? and and to some extent you are seeing fissures. You have Don Bacon who I respect. He's was a general. He's
been served the country 30 years. He's departed from Trump on tariffs on uh
NATO. I mean he he's very concerned that Trump's insulting Canada and insulting
NATO allies. Uh you have uh Brian Fitzpatrick uh from Bucks County, Pennsylvania, where I grew up. He just
voted against the the tariffs. So, you're starting to see Turner, Representative Turner from Ohio, uh
said, "Look, in this country, uh we don't just have capital punishment for people who may be coming and bringing
drugs into America." Like, you don't just shoot them and kill them, even if they're bringing drugs. So, I think they're they're waking up, but they're
not enough of them. Uh but the cracks the the cracks are there. And uh my view
is we have a real chance for a a significant win in the midterms. And that's how we have to approach it. We've
got to win by decisive margins because they're going to kick people off the rolls. They're going to have ICE intimidate. They're going to uh try to
intimidate the the county elections where they can. And the scariest thing is uh Mike Johnson gets to determine in
a close race whether to seat someone. And that is the uh place where we have a constitutional crisis. And remember,
this is someone Mike Johnson who was the lawyer for Donald Trump in 2020 in filing those cases saying that the
election was uh not legitimate. So, uh this is going to come to a head when
there are close races and who to seat and we can't take that chance. We've got to win by 20 to 25 seats and we've got
to win by a plus five margin. That's that's the reality of what we're facing. What do you make of uh DOJ um using
surveillance on your colleagues? you there they there there was a Getty photographer that took an image of Pam
Bondi's burn book, right? and she had your um congresswoman
your colleague her name eludes me but her search history in the ski looking at the epste if they're surveilling
what exactly you all are looking at and when I think about that and then I think about what's actually in the Epstein
files which is Peter Teal Palunteer surveillance colluding with Jeffrey Epstein and also these ICE
agents that are taking pictures of people and putting them in some database it really seems like Even Congress
people are falling prey to this surveillance state. Yes. That is the desired outcome of these crazy
billionaires. And I just, this is just me. I don't think that Trump I think he's evil. I think he's a racist. But I
think fundamentally he's a I don't think I agree with you. I think he has the intellectual rigor to
be super diabolical long-term planning. In short term, he can, but his whole brain works short term.
Totally agree. That's our saving grace from authoritarianism is just his incompetence at times. Not that we can
be complacent, but I totally agree with that that diagnosis. I look how he tried to overturn the election. It was so
incompetent who he was calling it justice and how he was frantic about it. It was evil. It was uh unamerican, but
it was also fundamentally incompetent. Uh and but but people around him like uh
Russell Voy and Steven Miller, they're not incompetent. They No, they're diabolical. Long term.
Long term. Yeah. What about Peter Tilliel? He lives in your district. Well, I I I gave a whole speech uh about
it nine months ago calling out why he's so dangerous.
Some of these people in Silicon Valley, if you talk to them, they say, "Well, we would have been conquerors in a
different age. We are Uber Mench. We are No, I'm not kidding. you know, they all
they all read Iron Rand's novel and like the the Fountain Head or Atlas Shrugged and then they stopped reading after that
and they view themselves as these civilizational builders and they view
people like me for those who have read Ein Rand as like a Peter Keading fellow like one of these bureaucrats these
people who get in the way these politicians who are are stopping us from building greatness and Peter Teal
literally says that democracy uh and innovation are are not compatible. They
rather, if you ask them, have the wealth accumulated within the hands of a few
because they think they know how to invest in AI and invest in Mars and keep America soaring. And all the rest of the
folks, well, uh they're just uh the the little people who who are in the way.
And it is such an arrogance uh of uh world view that I don't think
people fully understand. Uh and especially with AI where they're talking about eliminating jobs. I mean Musk is
saying let's just eliminate jobs. This is what we have to stand up uh to. Uh
are we going to have an AI revolution for all of us or for these billionaires? Are we going to have a country uh for
all of us uh or these powerful few? And uh that to me is the the biggest issue.
Look in the guilded age Rockefeller had was the wealthiest person compared to GDP. Musk just surpassed that with 700
uh 700 billion. So as a percent of GDP, we now have people who are at the
wealthiest relative to everyone else. And there's an unholy alliance between wealth and power.
You know what pisses me off about uh Peter Teal. Yeah. Is he wants to be a politician, but he
doesn't want to put his name on the ballot and go win the proper way and get the support of people. and he has um
absorbed all of the benefits of democracy of living in California which all of these people bash all the time.
It made him and he's an immigrant that has come here and then he's colluding with Jeffrey Epstein and all of these
other rich pedophiles and he wants to cheat to gain power. And at the core of
this Epstein thing and all of these oligarchs is they're not going to put
their name on a ballot. Peter Till is not put and run against Roana because you'd kick his ass.
They just want to threaten me, you know? I mean, imagine the this thing all these billionaires who who said, "Oh, let's
recruit someone." I get these texts. We're thinking of recruiting someone to run against you. We're I'm thinking of
funding your opponent. None of them say, "I want to run against you." But imagine this. it. Look, should one person have
that much power that they think that because they disagree with someone in Congress who represents 700,000 that
they can just take them out? But that's what they think. They And why? Because uh they can put hundreds of millions of
dollars into these super PACs. And we need to as Democrats define that as such a weak puss boy move.
You have to pay your way to try to get power. You can't do it through work. You want to find some political prostitute
via JD Vance who is Peter Peter Till's prostitute. It's creation his whole creation.
And it's just it's such a puss boy move that the this party that's all about masculinity and being men,
right? I never I didn't even think of it that way. You know, it's like the weakest thing you can do. You have to find some boy
like JD Vance who's changed his name three times, changed his religion, can't stand up for his immigrant parents,
can't stand up for his mixed race children. You know, he's totally on board with the racial profiling of ICE.
And I guess it never occurs to him that he lives with people that have a different complexion than he does, but
he's bought and paid for. And it's just such a weak move. these oligarchs. When every time I hear Elon Musk speak, I
realize we have been sold a bill of goods in America. We have been pro propagandized that if you're rich,
you're smart. That That's exactly right. It's such a lie. I have heard Peter Thiel speak and it's so weird that his
side hustle is speaking about the antichrist you know like he does these right and then when you hear
I mean I met him I knew him in we had a common professor at University of Chicago and I met him in 2014
I haven't met him since or 2012 and uh you know he's at the time he just seemed like okay he's he's this libertarian guy
but you now come to realize these these folks think they're better than the than us they think they're better than And
you come to realize they're not that smart. And they they're not and they're not. Nor do they have any RZ at all, which is
why they can't run for office, right? Yeah. Although Vance got there, but I guess he got he got picked. He he
was derivative RZ. Derivative RZ. Yeah. And I think that was a deal, was it? Like, hey, we'll fund you if you put
our boy in place. Because I don't think Trump really likes Vance. I've heard that he plays Rubio and Vance against each other.
Authoritarian experts call this divide and rule. It's a very common playbook. Yeah.
Um, but I want to thank you. We're going to have part two with Roana coming up later where we are going to talk about
the midterms, dims, ICE, billionaire tax, all of that. So, we'll be back in
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BREAKING: GOP Rep. Posts DISTURBING Message After DOJ's Epstein BACKLASH
Really American
Feb 13, 2026

Really American Host Kenny Hesse breaks down Republican Representative Thomas Massie posting a harrowing message about his safety in response to the Backlash he's received from Trump's DOJ and Pam Bondi over his Epstein Files Transparency Act petition and the administration's blatant cover up.



Transcript

Holy crap, folks. I I cannot believe I
have to start this video with a trigger
warning or put the hotline that is up on
screen right now up there. But um Thomas
Massie, the Republican representative
uh who along with Roana filed the
Epstein discharge petition
um and you know has been a vocal
outspoken critic of what Pam Bondi is
doing, how this administration has
released the files, just posted this on
Twitter saying, "I am not swword.
Uh I eat healthy food. The brakes on my
car and truck are in good shape. I
practice good trigger discipline and
never point a blank at anyone, including
myself. There are no deep pools of water
on my farm. And I'm a pretty good
swimmer. That is a nuts statement for a
sitting member of the house to have to
put out. But I mean, at this point, it
it makes sense. uh especially given, you
know, all of the stuff that we saw Pam
Bondi do in the hearing as well as the
way we saw people react as well as the
fact that Thomas Massie was was the
representative who exposed the fact that
Pam Bondi had prepared insult
flashcards, what people called a burn
book, like from Mean Girls, uh of of
insults for the representatives that
were questioning her. We'll get into
more of how he's c been calling out
Bondi's cover up, especially with
regards to the representatives only
being able to see uh portions of the
unredacted files at like four computers
that that they've been spying on the
representatives who went and looked at
the files. But here are some of the more
tense exchanges between uh Thomas Massie
and Pam Bondi from the other day.
Within 40 minutes, Wexner's name was
added back
within 40 minutes of me catching you
redhanded.
Red hand. There was one redaction where
he's listed as a co-conspir. And we
invited you in. We This guy has Trump
derangement syndrome.
Literally, we caught you guys redacting
a co-conspirator's name. I mean, there's
a lot more than that they they redacted,
but it's like for them to say, "Oh,
what? We It was just one name. We put it
up. up when you said so when you caught
us on our four computers we allowed you
to use with redactions on top of
redactions and Pam Bondi's performance
here was so bad that at one point she's
being asked about you know like are you
bringing any more indictments are you
investigating anyone and she jumps back
to some pretty bizarre talking points
how many of Epstein's co-conspirators
have you indicted how many perpetrators
are you even investigating
first you showed it you I I find it
how many have Excuse me. I'm going to
answer the question.
Answer my question.
No, I'm going to answer the question the
way I want to answer the question. Your
theatrics are
question the way I asked it.
And again, on top of that utterly
shameful performance, theatrics from Pam
Bondi, she apparently came in there
ready with insults against people. Uh,
and another reason that she might have
it out for Tom Massie or or you know,
Trump's administration might is cuz he
posted this uh the other day saying, "A
funny thing about Bondi's insults to
members of Congress who had serious
questions. Staff literally gave her
flashc cards with individualized
insults, but she couldn't memorize them.
So you can see her shuffle through them
to find the flashcards insult that
matches the member of Congress.
And we invited you in. We This guy has
Trump arrangement syndrome. He needs to
get You're a failed politician. You need
to watch the chairman. Please restore
his time and remind the witness of the
rules here.
There is no credible information.
Massie, of course, after that despicable
exchange, as you heard a little bit,
then plays the incredibly incriminating
uh moment of Cash Patel saying that
there is no client or no evidence
traffic these young women too besides
himself,
himself. There is no credible
information, none. If there were, I
would bring the case yesterday that he
traffked to other individuals and the
information we have again is limited. So
they
I mean this is absolutely insane. Again,
don't don't agree with with most of
these people on the Republican side of
these issues except for with you know
getting transparency and justice for the
victims of Epstein and everyone who was
involved with him. We even had former
Congresswoman Marjgerie Taylor Green
responding to his tweet saying there
these are not the type of public
statements that any of us should have to
make. But I'll back this up as his
friend. Thomas is one of the happiest
people I know. He loves his kids and
grandkids. He loves his wife. He loves
his life. And he loves our country and
Kentucky. And even even Thomas Massie
responded to Marjgery's tweet saying,
"Amen to all of this. Life is good here
on the farm during my downtime and I
feel rewarded by the fight for justice
when I am in DC and so many people and I
I think this is telling. It's not funny
but I think this is telling because of
the the the app that this is on right
that is filled with a bunch of
conservative bots for the most part.
People saying it's sad how rotten this
world has been exposed to be. Appreciate
the fight you heroes are doing. Expose
them all. Sending support from down
under. Okay, look at that. From
Australia. We have a lot of people
watching from Australia. Uh, I've been
making this statement for well over a
year since the FBI hung up on me in 2024
when I called begging for help naming
names nobody cares. History will
remember Massie and it will be written
on a golden page. Be a little much, but
here we go. Honestly, I couldn't agree
more. Don't like either of your politics
for the most part, but I admire your
integrity and principles.
Still a bit much for Marjorie, but
respect and this gif of a little boy
till tipping his hat. And y'all, it gets
even crazier. This man even went so far,
this man being Thomas Massie, to call
out Laura Ingram of Fox News and I guess
some conservative mouthpiece, Greg
Price. I apologize. I don't know exactly
who he is. Uh saying, oh boy, saying a
lot here. I'll link to all these tweets
down below, but I'll give you the TLDDR
here. Can you, the people, vote your way
out of this, quote, "Honestly, not if
you get your news from these folks. The
swamp has tricks for deceiving the
public, and most even work on
congressmen. Here's an example of how
Laura and Greg played along as happy
tools of the swamp." He posts these
seeming attacks against him from Fox
News host Laura Ingram. And she's
essentially trying to get a gotcha on
him here because he voted no on a
procedural rule waving 24-hour notice
spending bills. Uh this is in in
response to the SAVE Act, which
basically destroys access to voting
rights in this country. um with Massie
saying he opposed the waiver to block
rushed appropriations
uh not the save act substance. So again
completely disagree with this guy on a
matter of most policy because this is
going to disenfranchise so many people
in this country. He later voted for the
Save Act bill that has subsequently
passed the house. But uh he said this is
what I voted against. It's not a bill.
It's a modification of House rules. And
Laura responds, "Nice try. Does he think
we don't know basic civics?" "Yeah, I
[ __ ] do, Laura, cuz you're on Fox
News." Actually, sorry, I take that
back. Maybe you know basic civics, but
you choose to lie to your audience about
it, which is honestly even worse. If he
had killed the rule, the Save Act would
be dead, as it should be. Again, Massie
votes with Rascin and the Dems against
election integrity, which for all
intents and purposes just means denying
women and minorities the right to vote
and making it harder for them because
they don't vote red. Honestly, the the
the Save Act [ __ ] is is a whole video in
itself. So, if you understand or
appreciate it, thank you. If you'd like
to know more about it, let me know in
the comments. I'll make a video adding,
"Why did not a single Republican agree
with him?" And again, look at this. I
mean, it's just [ __ ] misleading
[ __ ] This guy, I gotta look up who
he is. You really can't make this up.
Greg Price is a conservative
communications professional and former
senior digital strategist at X
Strategies, a political consulting firm
known for his work in digital media and
rapid response. He has appeared on
various media outlets to discuss
political communication media bias. Holy
[ __ ] This guy, this guy's going to tell
me about media bias on Fox News. Jesus
Christ. Anyway, he says Thomas Massie
was just the only Republican who voted
against advancing the Save America Act
to the House floor. Again, people added
context. He voted against a rule to
bring Save America Act, the most inaptly
named thing since the big beautiful
bill, to the floor because it suspended
House rules allowing spending bills to
reach the floor without 24-hour notice
for review, potentially enabling rushed
unchecked expenditures he views as
fiscally irresponsible. And look, it's
exactly that kind of misinformation,
that kind of fostering of such an
ill-informed public that has not only
resulted in all the terrible things that
we've seen exposed by the the Epstein
Files Transparency Act that Thomas
Massie led with Roana, but also the very
real and clear threats that Thomas
Massie perceives against his own life.
So much so that he as a sitting
Republican representative of Congress
has to say out loud that he won't off
himself, that if anything weird happens
to him, it should be investigated. What
a sorry [ __ ] state American politics
is in and and has

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