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Lawyer for Epstein VICTIMS Shares Details Trump FEARED THE MOST
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Sep 6, 2025 The Intersection with Michael Popok

There is only 1 lawyer on planet earth who cross examined Jeffrey Epstein 3 x on behalf of his child sex trafficking victims, and who filed the video of the depositions in the public record and his name is Spencer Kuvin. He joins Legal AF's Ben Meiselas for a exclusive interview, including revealing of getting under Epstein's skin by bringing out replicas of the sex toys he used to abuse his clients during the deposition.



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There's only one lawyer on planet Earth that had the opportunity to crossexamine
Jeffrey Epstein three separate times representing his victims, the survivors
of his child sex abuse trafficking of he and Galain Maxwell. His name is Spencer
Kuven. He also is the only person that took that video deposition and posted it
on the public docket when he made a filing about sanctions against Epstein. And that's how we've had a lot of the
clips of Epstein cavalierely talking about the child sex trafficking and the
involvement of Donald Trump in his personal life. It's all because of Spencer Kuvin and he came on Meidas touch
along with my partner Ben Meiselas for an exclusive interview and here is that
interview. I want to hear from the lawyer who represented the first Epstein victim to come forward. I want to speak
to the lawyer who has taken Jeffrey Epstein's deposition several times, who
has filed motions for sanctions against Epstein, who sat directly across uh from
Epstein, um who who studied the behavior of Epstein, who saw all of these
documents rather than speculating or whatever. I I let's just get it firsthand from Spencer Kovven of Gold
Law. Um, Spence, bring in Spencer right now. Spencer, you you you famously have deposed Epstein numerous times. Uh, all
of your cases against Epstein have uh since resolved or against the estate,
you know, have have all since resolved. I want to remind people of one of the
moments from one of those depositions. And then I want to talk about what happened with the uh with the survivors
coming forward with their stories on Capitol Hill. I want to talk about what you're able to share from the litigation
in terms of a roadmap from what might be out there. And then of course uh Donald Trump continued today to say that this
is one massive hoax and that that we and that he turned over all the documents
that exist. He says the 33,000 documents are are it. Nothing else is being turned
over. But first, let me remind people of that depot that you did. Just a short clip of it. Let's play it.
Could you please give us your name? Jeffrey Epstein.
Is it true, sir, that um you have what's been described as an
egg-shaped penis form, vague and definite. And I'm going
to give you the the first warning, Mr. Cubin, that these types of questions are not only argumentative, but directed in
a manner to embarrass uh Mr. Epstein. If you continue with this type of question, I'll adjourn the deposition immediately.
Sir, according to the police department's probable cause affidavit, uh, one witness described your penis as
ovalshaped and claimed when erect it was thick towards the bottom but was thin and
small towards the head portion and called it egg-shaped. Those are not my words. I apologize. But as Mr.
As Mr. Kitten has stated that this is a
I'm willing to continue. So that was the first question of the depo. They Epstein and Epstein's lawyer
then adjourned. They shut down the deposition. You then move for sanctions and compelled the deposition to take
place again. Walk us through that deposition. Then I want to go through your background representing the victims
and let's we'll bring it current. Sure. So thank you for having me on. I do appreciate it. Um, so you know, look,
we knew as lawyers for the victims at the time, and there were uh four of us at the time that he was unlikely to
answer any of the questions that we had for him. So, there were really only two options when we got into getting ready
to prepare for the deposition of Jeffrey Epste. And this, by the way, this was the first deposition that had been taken
of him in any of the cases. I had noticed it first and I had got an opportunity to go first. And with that
came a lot of fights back and forth initially with the lawyers for Epstein at the time saying, "Look, you know, why
do you want to take his deposition? He's not going to say anything. He's not going to talk. And if it's anything regarding the case, he's going to just
take the fifth. So why do you even need to bother?" So we had to strategize a
way that made sense where we wanted to antagonize him as best we possibly could
to see if he would slip up. you know, we knew he was a smart guy and uh but he
was a novice to heavy-handed litigation tactics. So, we figured, you know, look, if we come at him hard and heavy on some
of the issues that we think might get him upset, then he may slip up and say something stupid. So, we had a series of
questions and you know, the psychiatrists and psychologists that we were working with at the time said, "Go
after his manhood. The guy is an eggoomaniac. you know, he thinks he's God's gift to women. He he thinks that
he's the smartest guy in the room and nobody can question him. So, go directly
after all of that and attack his manhood. And I had the probable cause affidavit where one of these victims,
one of my clients who was 14, 14 years old at the time, had described what it
looked like. So, I could prove that the question was directly relevant. Why as a 14-year-old know what his private parts
look like? But more importantly, it attacked his manhood, right? So, I came
up with this question that I knew I was going to ask right out of the box to see what he would do and how he would react.
In addition to that, it gave me the opportunity to file the video with the court so that the public could see him
react to that kind of a video because otherwise they wanted everything in the case to be confidential, secret, and
sealed. So, it was a great opportunity to do that and it was a great shot across the bow. I got $800 in sanctions
against him for walking out of the deposition. And then he had to come back a second and third time and finish up
his deposition where I got to ask him all kinds of questions about things like the massage, you know, jelly that was
found in his bathroom, the large vibrator that was found in his home next
to the bed, you know, the multiple sex toys that he had. And I had gone on
Amazon before the deposition and purchased every item that the police found in his home in the bedroom and in
the massage room. And I had bought an exact duplicate of it. So during the second deposition, I pulled them out and
set them on the table in front of him and started piling up all these sex toys and massage lubricants and just sticking
exhibit stickers on them until he had a pile of these things in front of him by the end of the deposition. when he
finally got so mad that he said, "Can we just get rid of all this stuff?" It was great.
The deposition that I showed and then the others, when did those take place
and when did the first victim approach you and and your practice for representation?
So, back in around 2006, I was working in North Palm Beach, Florida, when two
parents, uh, a mother and a stepfather brought their 15year-old, at that time,
15year-old daughter in to talk with us. And she first told this story that seemed completely unbelievable, right? I
mean, she's telling us a story of some wealthy guy living on Palm Beach Island where she is taken out there in a taxi
cab and asked to give a naked massage where she has to get nude and then massage his private parts until he
finishes. You know, it it just seemed completely unbelievable.
But, you know, we listened and um at that point we didn't know that they had
already started a criminal investigation. So, I reached out to the town of Palm Beach Police Department and
got a hold of the lead detective at that time, a gentleman by the name of Joe Ricari, who is a retired New York police
officer that decided he was going to work a sleepy job in Palm Beach County. Lo and behold, he gets this case. and he
started uh talking to me about what they had started to find which was he had sat
outside of Jeffrey Epstein's home on Brilloway and had videotaped
tens tens of women young girls being brought by taxi going in and out of the
mansion on a regular basis. So at that point we started realizing that what our
client was telling us might be true. And then that one client turned into two turned into three turned into four. Um
and it just kind of built from there.

And then
that's when the first meeting with the clients happened. When the first lawsuit was filed. When was that? And then the
deposition doesn't take place right away. The the discover there's always the discovery fight. So, when was the
deposition and when did your cases generally get resolved? And I want to dig into it a little bit because I think
what people need to hear more about is exactly what you said, which is, you know, these are 14, 15 year old girls
who are coming in on taxi cabs to Epstein's spot in Palm Beach and and
he's sexually assaulting them. And I I I it's going to be difficult for our
audience to hear that, but you know, sometimes when we talk about Delane and Epstein, we talk about it in the context
of the broader political sphere versus what was inflicted on the people
themselves as well. So anyway, just I I know I said a lot there, but let's talk first about the case being filed, um the
depositions being taken, and when those cases were resolved, so people have a time frame. Sure. So, we're talking initially 2006
and my initial client was, as I said, 14 years old at the time. She was taken out to the mansion. When I signed up other
clients, they were 15 and 16 years old at the time as well. Um, so the victims
at that point ranged in age that we knew about at that time ranged in age from about 14 at the youngest to about 17 at
the oldest. Um, he definitely had a type. Uh we could tell that just by the
clients we were signing up. Uh that he wanted girls that either were young or
at least looked very young. We um initially investigated the case and with
victim number one, it was a criminal investigation. So we worked with that initial client to kind of work through
the police investigation. They then started to investigate it from the behalf of the police department and um
did interviews with our clients. The state attorney decided not to prosecute for some unknown reason at that time. We
knew that Alan Dersowitz had flown down and had investigated our clients like
MySpace pages back then. Some people might remember that. MySpace and had gotten some pictures of them drinking or
partying or going out and they were calling these young girls liars back then. They were basically saying that
they were going after a rich guy, making up stories and that all of this was a lie.

They then after deciding not to
prosecute the uh chief of police at the time, chief um uh apologize, can't
remember his name, but the chief of police at that time decided he was frustrated with the state attorney. So, he then called the FBI. The FBI then
picks up the file in about 2007 and assigns a number of agents to start interviewing girls. They interview over
40 young girls and they had accounts of all of these young girls about what had
happened to them. I mentioned that and I stressed that because that's part of
what the Department of Justice is currently sitting on that they haven't released are all of these raw interviews
that were performed by the FBI agents back in 2008. We haven't seen those. So
anyways, the FBI does these investigations and they prepare a 54-count indictment and they're prepared
to indict Epstein under sex trafficking charges when all of a sudden for some
unknown reason a deal is cut. I on behalf of the victims find out about
this deal only because I get a call from an FBI agent that I had worked with
because of speaking with some of my clients and she said to me, "You need to get to the courthouse right now." I had
no idea why. I put on a jacket, I put on a tie, I run down to the courthouse with a copy of the initial complaint we were
going to file, which was on behalf of one of my clients. And I wanted to serve Epstein because we didn't know if we
were going to be able to find this guy. He was flying around the globe. So I show up in court and as I'm going
through the metal detector, lo and behold, who's walking through the metal detector right behind me? Jeffrey
Epstein and his lawyers. We go upstairs and the secret plea deal is then entered
in court. They do it up at the bench with the judge, not allowing anyone else
to hear what's going on. He's ushered off behind a door and then we try to get
a copy of that secret plea deal and they refuse to provide it to any of the
victims or the victim's attorneys. We had to fight to get a copy of that nonprosecution agreement which everyone
now has finally seen was an absolute travesty sweetheart deal for this sex predator. And then we get it and then we
have to begin prosecuting the case in state court. And that's when we get to the part where we have the depositions
of not only Epstein but also a couple of the co-conspirators that were involved as well as the chief of police and the
lead investigators and those depositions 2007 2008 in in
that time period. Correct. Yes. right around 2007208 that the secret plea deal occurred
actually in 2009 and and and tell us if you get Epstein did he invoke the fifth in all of those
depositions when he was not storming out or did he answer did he answer anything he he did like I've seen a deposition of
what' you say basic information I mean he would give his name rank and serial number you know basic information um date of birth where
he lived where he grew up that kind of thing but Anything that could connect him with any sex trafficking, he refused
to answer. Yeah. Cuz I I saw one where he answered. It was like, "Were you friendly with Donald Trump? Would you consider him a
friend?" And he said, "Yes." And there was the next question was, "And did you ever were you ever with him and girls
under the age of 18?" And and then and then he invoked the fifth on questions like that. Let's talk generally. you you
deposed other co-con any people's names that you can talk about or is that under a protective order other than Epstein
that that would be considered co-conspirators? Well, obviously Glenn Maxwell was somebody that we were looking at at the
time as a co-conspirator because we knew she was the lead co-conspirator in that sex conspiracy that was involved at the
time. But u in Palm Beach, there was a young woman by the name of Sarah Kellen
and another young woman by the name of Nadia Marson Kova. Those were the two
women that were in their mid20s at the time that were helping to uh recruit
young high school-aged girls to come over to the mansion. And what we determined was is that it was a definite
hierarchy scheme that he had going. Um you know, Epstein would not recruit these young girls usually on his own. He
would either utilize Galen Maxwell or one of Galen's underlings, which
included Sarah Kellen, Nadia Marsonova down in Palm Beach, but also other women up in the New York area and others out
in New Mexico. He would use these girls to recruit other girls. And then when
one of the young girls would come over to the mansion, he would then tell them, "Look, if you don't want to do this
again, if you bring me a girl, I'll pay you an extra $50 and I'll pay her $200
if you can get her to come out here." So, it was a pyramid scheme um of a
sexual nature and and that's how he built this huge cadre of young girls
that he would convince to come out to the house under, by the way, false premises. you know, he would say, "Look, I'm friends with Les Waxner and you
know, I can get you a modeling career and and you know, he has Victoria's Secret and you're beautiful. Come on out
and talk to me and and we can chat about it." That's how he would get him to come out, you know. And one undisputed fact is
that at least on one occasion and possibly more because Donald Trump said
multiple girls were stolen were the words that he used. The spa at Mara Lago
seems to be an undisputed fact if we were to draft a summary judgement motion at this point, at least as it relates to
an underage girl in Virginia who has since died by uh suicide tragically
recently when she was 17 years old was working in that spa and Gilain Maxwell
the the mo that you've observed in the recruitment process from Donald Trump's
own account of girls being stolen at Mara Lago. He seems to be suggesting
that he was that at some point in time he became aware that that was taking place at Mara Lago at the spa there. But
the first time that Trump admitted it was a month ago in connection with all of this where he said yeah and he said
Virginia Jew. Did that come as a surprise to you? And and and what did you know about like that spa? And was
there other spas that Epstein would go to like that and he would just have his feelers in different locations?
So, it's interesting that if finally he's admitted this because he's been Trump has been denying this the entire
time or at least avoiding the questions with respect to Virginia Guprey. You know, that poor young girl has had to
fight or had to fight before she passed for almost 20 years to prove what she
has been saying is true. everyone has been um you know denying her truth and
now finally now that she's deceased Trump comes forward and admits that she was recruited out of his spa. The bigger
question is why is he employing in his spa at Mara Lago a 14 or 15 year old girl that never made any sense to begin
with. But secondly, you know, it was the same recruiting scheme that we had known
since the beginning of Gilen Maxwell going up to young girls and saying, "I can make you famous. I work for a man
that's very powerful and very rich in the modeling industry. Come talk to us. Come work with us."
That's exactly how this entire scheme continued to play out over many years. And whether it was Glenn Maxwell that
would literally stop cars in the street in New York, pull over to the side of
the street and go up to young girls in school uniforms and tell them they
should come to the house. They're beautiful and you know they have a career in modeling or whether it was one
of the girls that Glenn Maxwell had trained to do this. younger 20-year-old girls that would be out at clubs or out
on the beach somewhere in Palm Beach and see a young pretty girl and say, "Hey, look, come on out to the house and meet
my boss." That's how their scheme worked. And you know, it it was a very typical scheme.
And listen, we knew back at that time that Trump was friendly with Epstein for many years. I even issued in my case, in
one of my cases, a notice of deposition for for Donald Trump. Now, the deposition never fully went forward in
that case because we had other angles we were we were going after at the time with Epstein, but we knew he was one of
the potential witnesses. Gileain's interview with Trump's former
criminal defense attorney, Todd Blanch. Sure, you've had the opportunity to look at that transcript and to hear the
audio. um you know as a lawyer the type of questions that should be asked of
Gilain based on the types of depositions that you took. You've seen how Blanch
approach that and you've seen Gilain's answers where she basically acts like
she's the victim. She calls the victims basically liars and then she says she
didn't see anything. She barely even she's not even sure how she even was introduced to Donald Trump in the first
place. And then she suggests that really what Epstein liked to do with young women was listen to music and that
that's one of the things that he liked to hang out with them just to see like what are the kids do. It kept him young
as is I think a line that she said.

So when you read that based on the wealth of experience you had representing the
first victim who came forward, what was your kind of overall assessment of that?

That it was a joke. The woman is a pathological convicted liar and sex
trafficker. If you're going to cross-examine a woman like that, you've got to presume she's going to lie until
she cannot lie any further. You know, his questioning of her was an absolute
joke for a lawyer that has any competence. Unless he was intentionally
intentionally allowing her to spew these lies about what happened, he absolutely
has no clue what he's doing. You know, when you have someone like a sex trafficker, like Maxwell, like Epstein,
that's willing to actually talk, you let them lie, and then you begin to confront
them with the hard evidence, with the photographs, with the videotapes, and
then their lie, all of a sudden they get boxed in and they realize they're
caught. And then they start coming up with more lies, more excuses that you can then show they're lying. And then
eventually, if you can get to that point, they break down and hopefully
come out with the actual truth. He did none of that. He did absolutely none of
that. He didn't confront her with any of the evidence. He didn't show her any of the evidence that the government has. I
mean, it was an absolute joke of an interview. It was a whitewash and that's all it was.

Let's finally talk about the files. When Donald Trump says these 33,000 files and
some of, you know, his people like them, Mike Johnson say these 33,000 files that
we produced, that's that's that's everything. There's really nothing else out there. Um, what's the v what's the
truth? What's the real volume that's out there? And at a specific level, can you
kind of go through in a way that often times gets blurred with generalizations? Like what are we really talking about
here that could be released tomorrow and frankly should have been released a long
time ago.

So let's talk about what does and what doesn't exist. I can tell you in working
on these files for almost 20 years, I've never seen a quote client list. Okay?
It's a misnomer. It's a misdirection. That's not how his operation worked.
What would happen is is that Epstein would have these young girls. He would pay some of them to come out to the
home. He would have some of them who he would sexually abuse himself. And then he would utilize others
and by taking these girls and essentially renting them out to
different very powerful men that would either come to his home or he would send girls to those homes. He didn't keep a
list of these people. What he would do is he would get calls from men, powerful
men that were coming into town that lived in Palm Beach, for example, and they would call the home and they would
say, "Hey, I'm in town." They would then talk to Miss Maxwell. Maxwell would then
send a girl out to the house. That's how the operation would work. So, if you really wanted to see exactly who was
contacting Epstein and trying to get women, you look at his phone books. You look at his phone records. The phone
message pads were obtained during the search warrant of the home back then. That's the first place we looked.

Secondly, the government has over three gigabytes of information. What they
disclosed the other day is about that much of this. It is a fraction of
information and everything they gave over we've had. Everyone has had it. It's been in the public domain since the
beginning of these cases. Through a simple public records request, anyone could have gotten the information they've already disclosed. The only
thing that they recently disclosed that we did not have back then were some of the additional flight logs that existed
for the planes. But what did they do with those? They redacted the name of everybody on the flight except for
Jeffrey Epstein. What use is that? It's absolutely absurd what they've released.

Here's what they have that they're not giving the public. One, all of the raw
interviews that the FBI took of every victim they talked to, and they talked
to at least 40 at the time. Where are those interviews? Where are those
transcripts? We want to hear what they said, who they said they were abused by,
and who was present. Second, they came in and seized all videos at
every mansion he had. I know through firsthand accounts from at least one of my clients that there were video cameras
all over the Manhattan mansion. She saw them. She saw the recording room where
they recorded the videos. There were men, security guards that worked in that room. And there were cameras throughout
the house. Where are those videos? because the FBI's got them. DOJ has
them. In addition to that, he's got videotapes because he had cameras at the house in Little St. James down in the
Virgin Islands. Where are those videos? You know, all of that should be
released. In addition, finally, the FBI prepared, as I said, an over 50-count
indictment against Jeffrey Epstein, identifying not only him, but other co-conspirators at the time that was
never actually filed. Where is that indictment? If they had filed it, it
would have been a public record. So, they were prepared to go public with this until they cut the sweetheart deal
with Epstein. Let's see that full indictment. Is there an indictment, do you know,
from both the 2006 2007 period as well
as the second time he was arrested, would there be two versions of that, you think? Um,
or is there just kind of one omnibus version? No. So, the second indictment, the one
where he was arrested in New York and actually died in jail, that indictment, it was public. Once they indicted him on
that, it was made public. But that was only four victims. That was all the indictment that was kept secret is the
one that they had in Miami and that indictment Alex Acasta signed off on uh
assistant US attorney Maria was the one investigating it but obviously Acosta
was the one that signed off on it. That's the indictment that shows all of the victims that they interviewed and
the entire sex conspiracy scheme that they were about ready to prosecute until
for some unknown reason they entered into this sweetheart deal.

Spencer, you've been very generous with
your time and you've really laid it out in a way I think that hasn't been put
out there before. We have six million subscribers here and so often a question
I'll get asked and sometimes I, you know, will say, "No, I've answered it all." But I think for here, if there's
anything I haven't that you haven't said yet that you think is important, uh, that you want the public to know at this
at this critical moment, I I' I'd love for our 6 million subscribers to hear from you.

Here's what I would say. Jeffrey Epstein wasn't Jeffrey Epstein in a vacuum. His
conspiracy of utilizing young girls for sexual conduct involved not just him but
many other individuals. Individuals that were given young girls, individuals
where he was trying to get evidence against other people so that he could curry favor with them and have
potentially blackmail against them. Some of those people are still out
there, are still unnamed, and still unidentified. The federal government knows who they are and they're refusing
to disclose those names. That's the information the public needs to know and
the public needs to judge for themselves why someone may be at, for example,
Epstein's home with a bunch of topless young underage girls or at his island
similarly with a bunch of topless underage girls. Those people should be
outed. They should be identified and people like you and the other press
should be asking them questions. Spencer Kovin, Gold Law, appreciate
you. Um, Gold Laws, you know, you still represent victims right now. And so, um,
you know, for those who are watching here, if they have tips or information or anything like that, I mean, you're a practicing lawyer. This is the work
that, uh, that that you're doing right now. Um, and you're probably off to a deposition or a court based on where
you're at, you're probably off to a depo or a court appearance soon. So, I won't take up more of your time. Spencer Kman,
thanks for joining us. Welcome back. You're on Legal AF. We try to put all in one-stop shopping for you
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Trump CAUGHT BUYING GIRL From Epstein, Instantly LOSES IT In Post!
by Jack Cocchiarella
2 hours ago



Transcript

Donald Trump has tried and failed to run
from his Jeffrey Epstein scandal, but it
is not going away. Just today, we saw
the Oversight Committee release the
letter that Donald Trump wrote to
Jeffrey Epstein in his birthday book.
And if you thought that was bad, it only
got worse because the Wall Street
Journal, which originally broke that
story, has released new reporting on a
sale of a girl between Trump and
Epstein. You heard that right. They have
the photos and the check. We are going
to get into what has been the craziest
day of this Epstein scandal so far and
the insane posting that not just Trump
but Carolyn Levid are trying to do to
cover it up. We're going to get into it
all. But before we do, if I could
quickly ask you to leave a like on this
video and if you haven't already and you
enjoy our channel to hit that subscribe
button because it goes a long way in
supporting our work. Now, before we can
get into this story, this crazy new Wall
Street Journal story of this check, I
want to start with what Jasmine Crockett
had to say today about the cover-ups
happening right now in the White House.
What? And I also want to point out that
it is so rich that the Republicans
believe in small government and this is
the biggest government that I've ever
seen because they have decided that now
they are going to somehow be the local
police that is going to solve local
crime at the federal level. That is not
what we're supposed to do, especially on
our level. What we do is we write
federal laws. That is our job and that
is the lane that we're going to stay in.
And the only reason we're talking about
January 6 is because the Republicans are
the ones bringing this, not us.
Now more than ever, we are going to see
Donald Trump and Republicans in Congress
use and abuse their power as much as
possible to distract us from these
stories because they do not want us
paying attention, especially this latest
Wall Street Journal piece about the
check that was written. This is
insanity. The sale of a girl as outlined
in this story, it is absolute madness.
But where it all starts, of course, is
the story that Robert Garcia broke
today. how MAGA is reacting. We're gonna
get to that, but I want to start with
Robert Garcia.
Hey, it's Congressman Robert Garcia. Uh,
as you may have heard, Oversight
Democrats just got a hold of the Jeffrey
Epstein birthday book and note that of
course was sent by Donald Trump to
Jeffrey Epstein. This note, Donald Trump
has said does not exist. Well, once
again, he is lying to the American
public and is leading a White House
cover up. I'm going to show you uh the
note that we've now acquired. It's a
little crude, so I I do apologize if you
don't want to see it, but this is the
actual note. You see the president's
signature there.



Um you can read some of
the words that he is sharing with his
friend Jeffrey Epstein. Mr. President,
this is not a hoax. You are lying to the
American public. You are involved in a
cover up. Now, the oversight committee
is going to be reviewing the documents
we received today. And we will not stop
until we get justice for the victims of
Jeffrey Epstein and all those that were
involved. We do not care how powerful
you are, how connected you are, how much
money and wealth you have, or what
political party that you are in. We'll
get justice for these survivors and
we'll get to the truth.
It is clear as day that Donald Trump
wrote this letter, that Donald Trump
sent this letter, and that this letter
is a representation of how Donald Trump
not only views Epstein's habits as it
comes to young girls, but potentially
Trump's. It is disgusting, but it is
also clear as day. Republicans denied
this letter even existed. Donald Trump
uh went forward with a lawsuit to say
that this was defamation. Carolyn Levit
is still trying to spin the story. It's
not working. We're going to check it out
and then get into this latest reporting.
As you can see here, it couldn't be
clear that Donald Trump's signature on
this letter matches other authenticated
signatures of Donald Trump's at the same
time.



But of course, Karolyn Leavitt had
to jump in and write,

"The latest piece
published by the Wall Street Journal
proves this entire birthday card story
is false. As I have said all along,
it's very clear President Trump did not
draw this picture and he did not sign
it. President Trump's legal team will
continue to aggressively pursue
litigation. Furthermore, the reporter
who wrote this hatchet job reached out
for comment at the exact same minute he
published his story, giving us no time
to respond. This is fake news to
perpetuate the Democrat Epstein hoax.
The Democrat Epstein hoax.

You just heard survivors speak outside the
capital, Carolyn. How is this false?
What about it is false? And of course,
that's clearly Donald Trump's signature.
But if you want something even clearer
than that, how about him standing next
to Epstein in this disgusting new
element of the story?



Also in the New
Wall Street Journal story today, the
Pashkow letter included a photo of a
poster-board sized check for $22,500,
which has been mocked up to appear that
it was sent from Trump to Epstein.



Beneath it, a handwritten caption said,
"Jeffrey showing early talents with
money plus women cells fully
depreciated, redacted to Donald Trump
for $22,500."
The woman's name is redacted in the
image. You can see the image here of the
check being given to Jeffrey Epstein
from Donald Trump with the mention of
selling a woman. They are joking about
Donald Trump having purchased a fully
depreciated woman from Jeffrey Epstein.
Now, what does that mean? There are so
many things that we could take away from
that. Is that saying the girl is now too
old for Epstein? Too used up to invoke
their disgusting language. This is foul
that they were making jokes, but it
proves it all. which is why Donald Trump
tried to respond with his own
distraction after this story broke. He
took to Truth Social to post this. Trump
wrote on Truth Social,

I have seen the
horrific video of a beautiful young
Ukrainian refugee who came to America to
escape the vicious war in Ukraine and
was innocently riding the metro in
Charlotte where she was brutally
ambushed. The perpetrator was a
well-known career criminal who has been
previously arrested and released in
January a total of 14 times. What the
hell was he doing riding the train and
walking the streets? Criminals like this
need to be locked up. The blood of this
innocent woman is on the hands of
Democrats who refuse to put bad people
in jail, including former disgraced
governor and wannabe senator Roy Cooper.
North Carolina and every state needs law
and order, and only Republicans will
deliver it. Additionally, where is the
outrage from the mainstream media on
this horrible tragedy?

So, in an effort
to distract from his Epstein scandal,
Donald Trump is trying to turn what is a
tragedy into a political pawn for
himself, as he has done with Epstein,
only for it, of course, to blow up in
his face, as it has with Jeffrey
Epstein. Donald Trump doesn't care about
keeping people safe. Donald Trump
doesn't care about anything but Donald
Trump. And that's been proven out time
and time again. This Epstein letter is a
disgrace. that check is is abominable. I
don't know how anyone can see any of
this and think anything other than that
Donald Trump now more than ever has
always been completely unqualified not
for the presidency but to exist in
public life. This is a criminal. This is
a disgusting human being. And if you are
willing to bend the knee to this guy, it
means you're not only a coward and
pathetic, it means you are at the same
level of disgust that he is. And you
should think about that, Republicans,
before you give it all away to Donald
Trump even more. And that is exactly
what we heard called out by our friends
at MSNBC, specifically Tim Miller,
responding to this story.
Yeah. Well, I think it's their instinct
to lie for starters. Um, uh, was when
they're presented with inconvenient
information. It's easier for them to
talk about the fake news and say and
blame the fake news than actually engage
on the merits on this one in particular.
Yeah, I mean it is true that it's not
known that Donald Trump was body, but
there is this mythos that that Will
could talk about for sure on the right
and some on the MAGA right and the QAnon
right that Trump was like fighting
against you know the elite pedophile
rings out there and that he was you know
some some warrior on the inside who was
going to expose all these people and now
here he is not only not exposing them
all but writing this note to to Epstein
here that is just extremely familiar
right like be it's one thing is sure it
is true that famous people sometimes
sign birthday cards for people or sign
generic notes for people that is not
what we're seeing here I mean we have
this drawing of what appears to be a
young woman I would say and Donald Trump
talking about how they share certain
things in common about how they how they
have all these wonderful secrets
together I I mean it is it's a letter
from two guys that get in trouble
together and have a bromance I I that's
what this is it's not some generic
letter. And so I think that's why they
probably are more sensitive about it
because it's it's not as if it's just
two famous people take getting their
picture together at another famous
person's party. It's more on that. But I
don't think even if
would it be surprising that Donald Trump
wrote something something like this to
one of his friends? No. Even if that
friend did turn out to be a creep, I'm
not sure it would be surprising. Um I
don't know if that inherently uh means
that Donald Trump himself is bea is also
engaging in the same behavior. He was
interacting with lots of people. I think
making that jump is is easier to do if
the person is being cy about it and
strange and not admitting to just some
obvious things when you're not saying,
"Yeah, I wrote this. I did do this
picture. Um no, it's not me. Somebody
else drew it. it's not my signature when
it looks exactly like your signature.
That starts to raise more questions. But
I want to linger on what Tim said a
moment ago about the the right
canonizing Donald Trump as the figure
who was going to expose all of this.
Speaker Mike Johnson had this very weird
moment on Friday where he suggested that
Donald Trump was actually an FBI
informant against uh Jeffrey Epste. He
was the one that tipped off the FBI back
in the early 2000s. He walked that back
and cleaned it up a bit in a statement
today, but it just was out there for
three or four days out there in the
press. Where where does that come from?
This idea that Donald Trump was the one.
By the way, we had Tom Winter on earlier
today. He's reviewed the documents and
the initial tip came from according to
the government documents uh came from
the family members of some of the the
girls who were victimized.
I don't know if that was for me or
Will, I'm sending that to you. I'm
sorry, Will. Sure. Big wind up. So,
sure. So, so in this case, I mean, look,
conspiracy theorists, QAnon believers,
Trump supporters have had a problem for
a long time, which is how do you square
Donald Trump's friendship with this, you
know, convicted sex or excuse me,
charged sex trafficker and pedophile,
all these things, and yeah, convicted
pedophile. Um, and what they came up
with was, well, maybe Trump was kind of
going in on the inside to expose Jeffrey
Epstein. Maybe he made Alex Aosta, the
prosecutor who gave Epsteina a
sweetheart deal. Maybe he put him in the
cabinet to draw attention to how awful
this deal was. Um, so they kind of exist
in this alternate universe. Um, and
that's only gotten worse since Trump
tried to close the Epstein case along
with Pam Bondi. Um, and so, you know,
again, it's bizarre to me that this has
reached the point where the speaker of
the house is now saying, well, you know,
maybe Trump is an FBI informant. Maybe
he was he was working to take down
Epstein. Um, but really I mean they're
grasping at straws because as you said
Katie, the whole thing is really weird.
The idea that Trump was friends with
this notorious pedophile and all of a
sudden his administration is doing
everything they can to stop this
discussion about it.
Yeah. I I guess if you're innocent, why
do you protest so much about it? Why do
you claim that you're not involved in
any way? Why is nothing why is this not
your signature? We've seen the images.
We've seen them partying together.
Donald Trump has given quotes to
magazines about the kind of guy that
Jeffrey Epste was. It's all been out
there.
This is truly a bombshell. I'm unsure
how Trump comes back from this. I know
the base will always be there for him.
But even if you are a cultist, it is
hard to look past this. And it will be
especially difficult if we continue to
put on the pressure, which what we're
which we are going to be doing on this
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This DOES NOT Make JPMorgan Look Good
The Young Turks
Sep 8, 2025

JPMorgan Chase executives alleged turned a blind eye to warnings about Jeffrey Epstein’s troubling financial activity. Ana Kasparian and Cenk Uygur discuss on The Young Turks.



Transcript

JPMorgan ignores Epstein red flags
A stunning new report from the New York
Times has revealed that Jeffrey Epstein
was actually one of JP Morgan Chase's
top clients. The bank handled over $1
billion worth of transactions for
Epstein and even continued doing
business with the Predator even when his
crimes were receiving public attention.
So, this story is gonna take you for a
ride. Buckle in as I give you all the
details. So Epstein first set up an
account with JP Morgan Chase back in the
1980s, but the bank didn't really pay
much attention to him at first. It
wasn't until the '9s when he started
garnering some attention, and that was,
of course, when he became far wealthier.
Now, Epstein struck up a friendship with
someone by the name of Jess Stanley, who
ran the bank's private banking division.
Remember that name. It's going to come
up quite a bit. Now, this division
handled the bank's most affluent
clients, the richest clients they had.
And Stanley, again, important person to
remember. Remember that name. It's going
to come up a lot. Now, by 2003,
Epstein's net worth was estimated to be
$300 million. That year, he was the
number one revenue generator for JP
Morgan's private banking division. Once
you start making money for the bank, the
bank is going to look out for you,
right? you're one of the top clients.
But there were also at that time some
pretty significant red flags in regard
to Epstein. For example, in 2003,
Epstein withdrew more than $175,000
in cash from his JP Morgan accounts.
Outside investigators later found that
Epstein paid almost that exact amount to
women that year. Okay. Well, they didn't
investigate it, but the red flags were
there. JP Morgan recognized that those
withdrawals needed to be reported to
federal regulators that monitor large
cash transactions, but the bank failed
to treat those withdrawals as an early
warning system for itself. You know,
he's generating some money for your
bank. Maybe you look the other way when
these red flags arise. Now later, JP
Morgan's own anti-money laundering
specialists would admit that Epstein's
huge withdrawals in 2003 were a signal
that he could have been committing
crimes.
But the warning signs only got worse
throughout the years. So by 2005, two
years later, victims of Epstein's abuse
were speaking out and Epstein's
interactions with the bank got a little
shadier. Let's just put it that way.
According to the Times, Epstein's huge
cash withdrawals continued, a total of
more than $1.7 million in 2004 and 2005,
according to records we reviewed,
meaning the New York Times, much of
which was used to procure girls and
young women. And at Epstein's request,
JP Morgan even opened accounts for two
young women without even speaking to
them or investigating the personal
details of said women, which how do you
even do that? But they did that. Again,
JP Morgan was um belatedly acknowledged
or or has belatedly acknowledged that
some of Epstein's transactions were
suspicious. There were definitely red
flags, but said nothing to federal
watchdogs anyway at the time. Meanwhile,
the bank kept doing business with
Epstein. And when I say business, I mean
a lot of business. Okay, so JP Morgan
would ultimately open at least 134
accounts for Epstein, his companies, and
his associates. And Epstein wasn't just
um paying millions of dollars in fees to
JP Morgan. He was also helping the bank
find new clients. He was recruiting new
clients. So, he's doing all sorts of
favors and making money, finding new
clients for the bank. And here are some
of the individuals who Epstein uh
referred to JP Morgan, not all of whom
eventually did business with the bank,
by the way. So, you have Bill Gates,
Elon Musk, Sergey Brin, who is the
co-founder of Google, and then you fast
forward to 2006 when Epstein was
arrested and indicted for soliciting
prostitution from a teenage girl.
Stanley, remember the person I was
referring to earlier? That was his first
main contact at J at JP Morgan, insists
that he discussed the situation with JP
Jamie Dimon implicated
Morgan Chase's current CEO, Jaime
Diamond. Though Diamond has denied that.
Eventually, JP Morgan Chase uh decided
to keep loading money to Epstein. They
kept loaning money to Epstein with the
caveat of not proactively solicitating
new investment business from him. And
then by 2008, Epstein was facing
lawsuits from numerous victims. In June,
he pleaded guilty to soliciting sex from
a minor. So even the rank and file staff
at JP Morgan um JP Morgan's private
banking division wanted Epstein gone.
But Stanley in particular, according to
the New York Times reporting, made sure
that Epstein remained a client. And
again, Jaime Diamond is implicated.
Around that time, as two executives in
the private bank emailed about whether
Epstein's accounts would be closed, one
of them said the decision was pending
diamond review. Another internal email
noted that the bank's general counsel,
Steven Cutler, was reviewing Epstein
related documents for Jaime. Yet in his
own sworn deposition, Diamond said he
did not recall knowing anything about
Jeffrey Epstein until 2019.
And then finally, around 2008, a rumor
was circulating that Diamond might
become the Treasury Secretary in the
Obama administration, in which case
Stanley would be a prime contender to
Epstein's relationship with JPMorgan exec
succeed him as chief executive. Stanley
emailed Epstein about Diamond status.
Epstein responded,
"We can help push Obama."
Yeah, well, of course they could. Uh,
uh, the top banks were Obama's number
one donors back in 2008.
And by the way, I should note that
Epstein was actually in prison while he
was emailing with Stanley on this.
That's amazing. Uh so Cutler uh who was
doing compliance there uh that Anna
alluded to said at one point this is not
a man of uh honor or moral um or
morality basically and he's like we
should not be doing business with them.
So he was super clear that there is
something wrong here. Very very wrong.
And basically what he's saying there is
there's not a lot of people at JP Morgan
Chase who are worried about morality and
honor. What he's saying is he's going to
get us in trouble. Guys, this guy's
thermonuclear. And so the way that he's
withdrawing money is a clear-cut case of
wrongdoing, right? That we would
normally flag and would be a huge
problem for us. We're worried that this
is fits the pattern of sex trafficking.
And appar I don't know if he was worried
about other things as well. So City Bank
eventually got worried enough that uh
they wound up settling with 200 Epstein
victims to the tune of I'm sorry JP
Morgan Chase to the tune of $290
million. They did another settlement
with the Virgin Islands for $75 million.
This is all about the Epstein case.
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money that you make the case go away.
That's saying we did something deeply
wrong.
Yeah.
So, why did you do that thing?
Well, let me get to that actually
because Jess Stanley is the one who's
like constantly advocating for Epstein
and to keep Epstein as a client at JP
Morgan. Well, uh, you might be
wondering, well, was he implicated in
the Epstein files? Is that a
possibility? According to the Times,
while Epstein was under house arrest in
November of 2009, Jess Stanley visited
his sprawling Zoro ranch in New Mexico,
where girls and young women later
accused Epstein of raping and
trafficking them.
Next time we're here together, Stanley
wrote, I owe you much. Other messages
were littered with apparent sexual
references. Quote, "That was fun. Say hi
to Snow White." End quote.
Yeah, now you have your answer.
He emailed that to Epste in 2010.
Epstein responded by asking which
character he would like next. Beauty and
the Beast. Stanley answered, "This is so
disgusting. This is so utterly
disgusting." Okay. And then around 20
There's so much to this, guys, so please
stick with me here. So around 2010,
Stanley had a conversation with a woman
in her 20s. The woman would later allege
in a class action lawsuit, which was
eventually settled, that Epstein
sexually abused her for more than a
dozen years and that he forced her and
other victims to engage in commercial
sex with certain select friends. Now,
according to Stanley, the woman
suggested that he come by her apartment
in an Upper East Side building owned by
Epstein's brother. On the appointed day,
Stanley arrived and after chatting in
the living room, they went to her
bedroom and had sex. Afterward, Stanley
to uh Stanley took a shower. He was out
of the building in less than an hour and
walked back to work.
So, there's other horrifying details uh
to this story, but the point here is
that I mean, for everything that we hear
about people being debanked for small
reasons, I mean, in this case, you have
all these red flags that this individual
that you're doing business with, a
client of JP Morgan, is trafficking
humans, trafficking girls. Okay? There's
mounting evidence as a result of the
public lawsuits and the prosecution of
Jeffrey Epstein that he was preying on
minors and they continued doing business
with him at JP Morgan. Anyway,
so look, uh when you get to Snow White,
if someone's overagged and you're
playing Snow White games, look, it's not
my business, okay? Uh and I don't care.
That's not a thing that because then
that gets into character assassination,
etc. It's not my judge to judge you a
place to judge you morally when you're
consenting adults. But if you're playing
Snow and White with someone who's
underage,
now we're going to have a lot of
freaking problems. Okay? And so now I
want to ask you guys this. Look, I don't
know if the people at JP Morgan Chase uh
No ramifications
overall thought, "Yeah, we might be
opening ourselves up to a ton of
liability," which it turns out they did,
right? and that the money we make from
this is not going to make up for the
lawsuits, which it didn't, right? And
all of our careers are in jeopardy, but
we should do it anyway. Why they made
that decision is a very important and
interesting uh question. For Staley, it
seems a little personal based on the
reporting from the New York Times. That
one's a little bit easier to understand,
right? And and terrible and awful if the
implications are correct. Um, but what I
can't understand is how come there's
been no accountability for anyone
legally at JP Morgan Chase. So, we all
know they did it. They paid $365
million. New York Times has this huge
story explaining how they did it. That
we now know that they were guys
internally whose job was to put up red
flags. And they not only put up red
flags, they were waving them like crazy.
Red flag, red flag. So, but the
executives decided to partake in an
illegal activity anyway.
And nobody's even asked, "Hey, is
anybody going to get arrested for that?"
Because apparently no one's ever going
to get arrested for anything related to
Epstein. And that is weird. That is
super strange. And so when people react
like, "Oh yeah, yeah, that's no big
deal." No, of course. I mean, obviously
there should be no accountability at JP
Morgan. Why? Why should there be no
account for forget the sex part, okay?
Don't. But like, put it aside for a
second. We have a lot of laws to prevent
banks from helping people do money
laundering, sex trafficking, and all
these different crimes. Are we going to
enforce those laws against JP Morgan
Chase, or are they too powerful, and
we're not allowed to criticize a bank? I
think we should ask the president who
purports to care about law and order
only in the very narrow context of
liberal cities uh and the ability to
send you know troops to those cities to
essentially uh cause shock and awe and
not actually do anything about crime.
Look, you care about crime then this is
the type of crime that totally destroys
society. the type of crime that goes
honestly like unmititigated because they
happen to be powerful people, moneyed
interests, it's absolutely disgusting.
These are the types of people who should
suffer the consequences of their actions
for completely ignoring the laws we have
on our books that prevent banks from
doing business with uh individuals who
are clearly doing something shady here,
illegal, and in the case of Jeffrey
Epstein, you know, trafficking
literal minors. Um and you know JP
Morgan finally came clean about the full
extent of its dealings with Epstein
after he had already died uh allegedly
committed suicide and Stanley had
already left the company at that point.
No current executives were made to
resign over the matter and Jamie Diamond
still remains one of the most powerful
bankers uh not just in this country on
this planet. And one final thing that
I'll say is um in 2011
Epste's activity at that point had
become so suspicious that many uh
employees at the bank were just they
they had soured on Epstein, right? But
um you know they continued doing
business with him anyway. Uh they
expressed their displeasure about
Epstein but kept doing business. None of
them took action. So he remained a
client at JP Morgan. Meanwhile, in 2011,
to the pleasant surprise of JP Morgan's
investment bankers in Israel, they were
granted an audience with Israeli Prime
Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The bankers
informed Stanley, who forwarded their
email to Epstein with a one-word
message. Thanks.
No guys, that is definitive that Epstein
set up a had enough power to get the
prime minister of Israel to show up
somewhere as a favor.
Yeah,
but don't ask any questions. If you ask
questions, you're a bad person. You're
just supposed to sit here and take it.
Don't ask any questions of JP Morgan
Chase. Don't ask any questions of
Israel. Don't ask any questions of our
government. Don't ask any questions at
all. There are no clients. Well, wait a
minute. If there are no clients, why did
JP Morgan Chase settle for $295 million
with 200 victims?
How could there be no clients if there
were 200 victims? How could why would
they pay 300 nearly $300 million if
there were no clients at all? So, is our
government ever going to prosecute a
single one of those hundreds of powerful
men who did these crimes? And the
overwhelming answer both Democratic and
Republican party has given us is hell
no. We will always protect the guilty.
And you have to presume that means they
could do it again. And again, our
government would protect them and not us
or our

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