There is no shorter route to power than through the genitals of male leaders. This principle guided the Lolita Gambit, played by the Mossad through its "Agent" Jeffrey Epstein
Jeffrey Epstein: documents linking associates to sex offender unsealed. Bill Clinton, Michael Jackson, David Copperfield and Prince Andrew among names contained in court documents by Victoria Bekiempis Thu 4 Jan 2024 05.18 EST https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... s-released
Numerous court documents identifying associates of notorious sex offender Jeffrey Epstein were made public on Wednesday.
Some of the high-profile names in the court documents include Prince Andrew, the former US president Bill Clinton, Michael Jackson, and David Copperfield.
These associates’ just-unsealed names were contained in court documents filed as part of Epstein accuser Virginia Giuffre’s lawsuit against Ghislaine Maxwell; the documents include excerpts of depositions and motions in this case. The British socialite was convicted in December 2021 of sex trafficking and similar charges for procuring teen girls for disgraced financier Epstein.
Prior to the unsealing, the names were listed in court papers as variants of J Doe. Many of the names are people who had been publicly identified as Epstein associates prior to this unsealing.
The inclusion of a name in this list does not mean that said associate has been accused of wrongdoing in relation to Epstein. Among the names are people mentioned in passing at legal proceedings
In a deposition, Maxwell appears to say that Andrew visited Epstein’s Island in the US Virgin Islands. Epstein has been accused of abusing numerous girls on this island.
“Were you present on the island when Prince Andrew visited?” Maxwell was asked.
She responded in the affirmative and, when asked how many times, she said: “I can only remember once.” When asked if there were any girls on the island at that time, Maxwell insisted: “There were no girls on the island at all. No girls, no women, other than the staff who work at the house.”
One document included a deposition given by Johanna Sjoberg, whom Maxwell allegedly procured for the purpose of performing sex acts on Epstein.
Sjoberg said in her deposition that Epstein “said one time that Clinton likes them young, referring to girls”.
In 2019, Clinton’s spokesperson Angel Ureña denied claims made about Clinton’s involvement with Epstein and wrote in a statement on Twitter that “President Clinton knows nothing about the terrible crimes Jeffrey Epstein pleaded guilty to in Florida some years ago, or those with which he has been recently charged in New York.”
Clinton notably had an 18-month long affair with Monica Lewinsky, his then 22-year-old intern, during his first term as president. He was 49 years old.
Sjoberg also said that the late musician Michael Jackson was at Epstein’s Palm Beach mansion, and that she met the famed magician David Copperfield.
“Did you ever meet anybody famous when you were with Jeffrey? she was asked. “I met Michael Jackson … at [Epstein’s] house in Palm Beach.”
Asked whether she massaged Jackson, Sjoberg said: “I did not.”
As for Copperfield, Sjoberg said that he attended dinner at one of Epstein’s homes and “he did some magic tricks”.
“Did you observe David Copperfield to be a friend of Jeffrey Epstein’s?” she was asked. Sjoberg replied in the affirmative.
“Did Copperfield ever discuss Jeffrey’s involvement with young girls with you?” she was also asked. “He questioned me if I was aware that girls were getting paid to find other girls.”
Copperfield, she said in the deposition, didn’t tell her any specifics of that question. “Did he say whether they were teenagers or anything along those lines?” she was also asked. “He did not.”
Donald Trump, whose association with Epstein has been widely reported, was also mentioned in the documents; the former US president is not accused of wrongdoing. In Sjoberg’s deposition, she said that they went to one of Trump’s casinos in Atlantic City when a storm prevented Epstein’s plane from landing in New York City.
“Jeffrey said, Great, we’ll call up Trump and we’ll go to – I don’t recall the name of the casino, but – we’ll go to the casino.” Asked at one point whether she ever gave Trump a massage, Sjoberg said “no”.
The deposition also includes Sjoberg’s account of allegedly meeting Prince Andrew at Epstein’s New York home. “Ghislaine asked me to come to a closet. She just said, Come with me. We went to a closet and grabbed the puppet, the puppet of Prince Andrew,” she said in the deposition.
“And I knew it was Prince Andrew because I had recognized him as a person. I didn’t know who he was. And so when I saw the tag that said Prince Andrew, then it clicked. I’m like, that’s who it is.”
Sjoberg and Maxwell then returned to the living room with the puppet. “I just remember someone suggesting a photo, and they told us to go get on the couch. And so Andrew and Virginia sat on the couch, and they put the puppet, the puppet on her lap,” Sjoberg recalled. “And so then I sat on Andrew’s lap, and I believe on my own volition, and they took the puppet’s hands and put it on Virginia’s breast, and so Andrew put his on mine.”
Sjoberg said she went to bed shortly thereafter. “Did you hear Ghislaine Maxwell tell Virginia to do anything while you were in that room?” she was asked. Sjoberg replied: “No.”
Giuffre, who claimed that Epstein and Maxwell forced her into a sexual encounter with Britain’s Prince Andrew at age 17, had sued the publishing heiress for defamation after claiming the accuser lied. Giuffre settled her lawsuit against Maxwell in 2017.
In 2021, Giuffre sued Prince Andrew over the alleged sexual abuse. The suit settled in early 2022. Andrew has always strenuously denied any wrongdoing. As part of the settlement, he agreed to donate to Giuffre’s victims’ rights charity.
The documents’ release is among several tranches of filings in Giuffre’s civil case that were unsealed following the Miami Herald’s years-long effort to make them public. Giuffre did not make allegations of wrongdoing against Clinton.
In one set of documents released in July 2020, Giuffre claimed that Maxwell participated in Epstein’s sexual abuse of teen girls. These documents were released several weeks after Maxwell’s arrest for her involvement in Epstein’s sex trafficking.
Giuffre claimed that Maxwell lured her into Epstein’s perverse orbit under the false pretense of work as a professional masseuse. Instead, Giuffre said, Maxwell “trained me as a sex slave”, according to a filing in that set of unsealed court papers.
The documents released in July 2020 also provided insight into Maxwell and Epstein’s relationship.
In a January 2015 email exchange, Epstein told Maxwell: “You have done nothing wrong and i woudl [sic] urge you to start acting like it … go outside, head high, not as an esacping [sic] convict. go to parties. deal with it.”
In another 2015 email, Epstein tells Maxwell she “can issue a reward” to any of Giuffre’s friends to “prove her allegations are false”, including what Epstein said was a “new version” of a claim that the renowned English theoretical physicist Steven Hawking had participated in an “underage orgy” in the Virgin Islands. Hawking, who died in 2018, has not been accused of a crime related to Epstein.
A large collection of documents in Giuffre’s civil case were also unsealed in August 2019. Those papers included accusations, since denied, that global leaders were participants in Epstein’s trafficking ring.
Epstein was arrested on 6 July 2019 for sex trafficking. He was found dead in his jail cell on 10 August of that year; authorities determined that he hanged himself.
Maxwell was sentenced in June 2022 to 20 years imprisonment. She has maintained her innocence and is appealing her conviction.
Asked for comment on the documents’ unsealing, Maxwell’s attorneys, Arthur L Aidala and Diana Fabi Samson, said: “Ghislaine Maxwell took no position on the court’s recent decision to unseal documents in Giuffre v Maxwell as these disclosures have no bearing on her or her pending appeal.”
“Ghislaine’s focus is on the upcoming appellate argument asking for her entire case to dismissed,” they also said. “She is confident that she will obtain justice in the second circuit court of appeals. She has consistently and vehemently maintained her innocence.”
2. Johanna Sjorberg (3-1/2/ hours). Ms. Sjorberg's deposition was taken on May 18, 2016, in Fort Lauderdale. She testified as follows:
• Johanna confirmed that Maxwell recruited her to work as an assistant but she was almost immediately converted into a massage therapist and worked for Maxwell and Epstein from 2001 — 2006. See McCawley Decl. at Exhibit 5, (May 18, 2016 Deposition Tr. at p. 8-9) • Johanna confirms that she knew Virginia was underage when she met her on the trip to NY with Jeffrey in 2001 because Virginia couldn't get into the casino and then later Johanna asked her and Virginia said she was 17. (p. 18). Johanna testified that Virginia looked young. (p. 18-19). Johanna added: "At the time I had the impression that she did not have a family or she had walked away from her family. And it seemed to me, you know, they had just sort of adopted her, not as a child, but they would take care of her." (p. 88) • Johanna testified that Jeffrey had to have three (3) massages a day from different girls. (p. 30) • Johanna testified that Jeffrey told her that he had three (3) massages a day because "he needed to have three orgasms a day. It was biological, like eating." (p. 32) • Johanna testified that Maxwell "let me know that she was — she would not be able to please him as much as he needed and that is why there were other girls around." (p. 33) "She (Maxwell) said she doesn't have the time or the desire to please him as much as he needs and that's why there were other girls around." (p. 150-151) • Johanna confirmed that she witnessed Virginia when she was seventeen (17) in Jeffrey Epstein's New York mansion with Prince Andrew and Ghislaine Maxwell. (p. 87) Johanna also testified that Prince Andrew sat with Virginia and Johanna and took a picture with a puppet in his image that had its hand and Prince Andrew's hand on their respective breasts. (p. 83) • Johanna testified that Maxwell bought a camera for her and asked her to take naked pictures of herself for Jeffrey. (p. 145) • Johanna testified that Maxwell would not give her the camera because Johanna "didn't finish the job" when massaging Jeffrey so Maxwell had to do it and was not happy. (p. 34) "She told me — called me after I had left and said, I have the camera for you but you cannot receive it yet because you came here and didn't finish your job and I had to finish it for you...She was implying that I did not get Jeffrey off and so she had to do it." Q When you say 'get Jeffrey off' do you mean bring him to orgasm?' A. Yes." (p. 34-35) • Maxwell told Johanna to always act "grateful" to Jeffrey Epstein. (p. 35) • Maxwell called Johanna and the other girls her "children" when they were on a trip to the USVI. (p. 36) • David Copperfield was at a dinner at Epstein's and there was another girl present who looked young and Johanna asked what school she went to and Johanna did not recognize the school name as being a college and she said it was possible it was a high school aged girl. Johanna said Copperfield "questioned me if I was aware that girls were getting paid to find other girls" (p. 37-38) • Johanna testified she heard Jeffrey call someone to try to find girls in Hawaii to send over the Fredrick Fekkai. (p. 38-39) • Johanna testified Jeffrey told her "Clinton likes them young, referring to girls." (p. 41) • Johanna testified that she was naked for 25 — 50% of all massages. (p. 42) • Johanna testified that Jeffrey made her perform sexual acts during massages including sexual toys and she had intercourse with him. (p. 43, 146-147) • Johanna testified that [DELETE] and Maxwell were both with her in the USVI in 2005. (p. 44). • Johanna testified that Maxwell asked her to find other girls to perform massages at the house. (p. 141) She gave a name of a girl from a restaurant to Maxwell and Maxwell paid her $200.00 for the girls' name. "Did Maxwell ever ask you to bring other girls over for Jeffrey" (p. 46) A. Yes...."And I recall Ghislaine giving me money to bring her over..." (p. 141) • Johanna testified that if a massage involved sexual acts that Jeffrey paid Johanna more than the normal $200.00. (p. 100-101) • She testified that Defendant called Emmy Taylor her "slave." (p. 15). Later she testified that Jeffrey: "He told me one time Emmy was sleeping on the plane and they were getting ready to land and he went and woke her up and she thought that meant he wanted a [sex act], so she started to unzip his pants, and he said, No, no, no you just have to wake up for landing." (p. 143-144) • Johanna said Defendant flew her in the helicopter from the main island to the USVI. (p. 55) • Johanna said she believes what Virginia is saying about being abused by Jeffrey and Maxwell. "Basically that I believed her, even though she never spoke to me specifically about what was going on; that once I learned everything that happened based on reading the police report, I believed her side of the story." (p. 122-123). "Q. And what experience in the house helped you form your opinion that what Virginia is saying is true? A. You know, Jeffrey being open with me about what other girls did for him and that I was not one of those girls. He was always trying to recruit me almost in a way that I could be one of them and travel with him and live the life of luxury if I only - if I only did this. So after five years of learning what was happening, I can look back knowing — I only knew Virginia a short time. Looking back, I can make assumptions about what was required of her." (p. 123-124) • She said she recalls that Defendant went to dinner with Governor Bill [DELETE] [RICHARDSON] one time when Johanna was visiting the ranch in New Mexico (p. 110).
Shocking new HUMAN EXPERIMENT claims emerge from Epstein's Zorro Ranch: 'Woke up around medical equipment' by SUSAN GREENE, US SENIOR REPORTER Daily Mail Published: 17:08 EST, 17 November 2025 | Updated: 17:30 EST, 17 November 2025 https://web.archive.org/web/20251117223 ... iment.html
Back in the day, the press had covered Dr. Elon’s lifestyle choices as a billionaire’s idiosyncrasies, unworthy of deep reflection on his real motivation. Given his gossip-worthy penchant for having children through IVF and surrogate mothers, journalistic curiosity about his family lives had been surprisingly shallow. Of course powerful men have maintained harems since the origin of the species, and the press has always ogled these exploits greedily, so the faceless herd can vicariously experience the dream of sexual abundance. Dr. Elon’s serial engagements with surrogate moms, however, lacked the glamorous element of courtship and sensuality, being apparently mere business arrangements. So at the time, no one hazarded a serious explanation for why the world’s most serious man was managing a hive of faceless women to generate offspring.
My paper had clinched an exclusive interview with the great man aboard his orbital space yacht now hanging in geosynchronous orbit over the lush paradise of Muskovia, formerly Greenland, purchased from the Truth Empire in 2055. In the X-bucks coffee parlor of the orbital elevator port, I marveled at the flavor of the coffee. “Real Arabica, grown here in Muskovia,” says the Inuit woman who served me the cup....
Epstein Survivor Reveals SHOCKING Details About Human Trafficking Experience by Chris Hansen Premiered Jan 14, 2026 Have a Seat with Chris Hansen | Podcast
On this episode of Have a Seat with Chris Hansen, Chris is joined by Jeffery Epstein victim and survivor Juliette Bryant. Bryant recounts, in disturbing detail, meeting Epstein and other high profile figures, what happened when he and his staff took her from South Africa to the U.S., and her time on both Epstein’s private Caribbean island and ranch in New Mexico. Bryant also shares rarely seen photos and reveals how life is for her today.
Transcript
[music] Every week it seems there are more disturbing revelations about the Jeffrey Epstein case. victims, collaborators, all kinds of evidence, pictures, and documents that all get into graphic detail about what Jeffrey Epstein was doing. Just recently, in the last few days of this recording, an article came out in the New York Times Sunday magazine talking about the very early stages of Jeffrey Epstein's cons and the way he was able to amass a fortune, which enabled him to carry out this human trafficking scheme. And we're hearing more from the victims, the survivors, including Juliet Bryant, who met Epstein in South Africa when she was just 20 years old. And she's got a harrowing story to tell, not only about the things she saw him do, but the experiences, including things that were never reported before, medical crimes, things that will shock you. And we're lucky to have Juliet Bryant take a seat with me now all the way from South Africa. Juliet, thank you so much for having a seat with me. How are you? Hi Chris. Thank you so much for having me on. Um I'm doing well considering the circum circumstances. Yes, easy everything that I've been through as well as many of the other victims. And that's why I'm here speaking out for victims both alive and dead. You know, Juliet, and we're going to get into all of this here, but it begs the question, in some ways, it would be easier for you not to talk about this, to bury it, to just to move on with your life. Why is it so important to you to continue to speak out about this, to share the details of what you survived, what you endured because of Jeffrey Epstein? Excellent question. Thank you, Chris. Um, it would be easier for me to just live my life and ignore it all, but I cannot ignore it all. Not when people have been murdered. I can't sit there and be happy when people have been hurt and killed. Also, those bastards hurt me so badly that I I'll never be okay again after what they did to me. I'm getting better every day, but this is why I speak out against them for people that they've hurt. They hurt me, but they've hurt others worse. And that's why I'm here speaking out. You know, Juliet, let's go back to the beginning. How did you first meet Jeffrey Epstein? Under what circumstances? How did that all come together? It was in South Africa. Correct. Yeah. Um well, what happened is I um I was started I was studying psychology at the University of Cape Town and then um I started doing modeling on the side because you know my family didn't have a lot of money and it was difficult for me getting to university. I didn't have petrol money so I had to do like some sort of job obviously like most people do. So I was doing modeling and cuz I got scouted for modeling. I actually got scouted first of all when I was 14 by elite model management. My mother would not let me travel. So these bastards, you know, they go for girls when they're even younger. But what happened is when I was um 20, I was doing modeling and basically I went I went out with a friend of mine to a restaurant like bar where they had like free drinks for models cuz you know young girls will always go with these like free drinks and free food or whatever you know when you're poor. And then um what happened is when I was at that place, a girl approached me and she told me that she worked um well she didn't say she worked with him. She said that her friend Jeffrey Epstein who's like the um King of America was here with his best friend Bill Clinton and he worked with Leslie Wexner, the owner of Victoria's Secret, and they could really help with my modeling career. She also said that Kevin Spacy and Chris Tucker were here with him. So, of course, it sounded like um you know, I I almost didn't believe it because cuz I coming from Africa, you know, I just turned 20 and I never met any celebrities in my life. So, I was like but I was like obviously very interested to meet them because it sounded like my dreams were all coming true. What was it like, Juliet, when you first met Ebstein himself? What were the circumstances? What was the environment? What was the vibe? Well, they were all sitting around a table having dinner and there were like some South African government officials sitting with them. and they all stood up during dinner and and stood up to shake my hand. So, I mean, for me, I was like more interested in seeing like Bill Clinton and Kevin Spacy. I didn't know who this man Jeffrey Epstein was. It just sounded like he worked with them and he did helped with modeling. So, I um but you know, I I was I was more like Star Struck meeting Clinton and Spacy. It was Kevin Spacy, Chris Tucker, Bill Clinton, Jeffrey Epstein. And and that's a starst studded table for somebody to walk into. You must have been overwhelmed by this. I was so overwhelmed. Um I I was completely starruck cuz like I said, I you know, I've never seen a celebrity in my life and it just seemed like so legitimate, you know, that these people were all together and the girl told me that they were scouting models and it just seemed like the most legitimate opportunity of my life. And I I just I still wonder how I was dumb enough to get on their airplane and go off there. But the thing is I've realized, you know, these guys are conmen. They're the conmen of war. They be able to um catch someone who's 40, someone who's 70. So, you know, a 20-year-old's an easy fish to catch. Right. Exactly. And and while you were of the age of consent, the grooming process that you were exposed to is the very same grooming process that they used on on thousands of women, some of whom were underageed. What was your first dealing with Jeffrey Epste? You you have this dinner, you see all these politicians and and uh comedians and stars and and you you get brought into this. What was your first dealing specifically with Epstein himself? Well, you see, when I was taken there, I didn't even sit with him at the table. Like, they just stood up and shook my hand. And then we stayed there for like 5 10 minutes and then we left. So, then what happened is the girl who approached me and scouted me for him or or recruited me. This girl phoned me after that and she said that, "Oh, Epstein really liked me and wanted to see my modding portfolio. He thought I would be great for Victoria's Secret." So the next day I was invited to a modeling casting at the hotel where they were staying in the Cape Grace Hotel. So um but but what Nea said is that they're actually doing a speech at the Western Cape Peninsula University and would I like to come and watch the speech first before the casting. So of course I thought I said of course I you know I wanted to go. So I went to the hotel. I probably arrived there at like 9 or 10:00 a.m. in the morning and they had these like mini buses outside and and the one bus um Epstein and Clinton and Kevin Spacy, they all got in and then I was told to get in the bus behind and then the whole highway was closed off in Cape Town. I've never seen anything like it. Like every every ramp where you came to, there would be like police waiting like on on bikes and stuff like everything was like so shut down. I've never seen anything like that in my life. And then he gave his speech at the um lower income university. And while he was doing it, Kevin Space, he had a handheld device and he went like this and filmed everyone on the hall cuz he was sitting in front of me. You see, I was sitting behind him and it wasn't like the kind of um place you'd imagine the ex-president of America to do a speech. It was a very basic lower income university, but they were filming all the all the students in the hall. And so after you listened to this speech, did you have another meeting with Epstein? Was it this woman who was a go-between or how did that all come together? Well, well, well, what happened after this is that we went back to the K Grace where they were staying in the mini buses and then I went to my car. I had a city golf, you know, like a very basic um small car. I went to get my modeling portfolio out of my car so I could go in for the um casting. So then I went back into the hotel and they had all gone in like I was on my own. I went to get my you know after we come back from the speech and then I walked up and then um what happened is there were three girls sitting along a long table. They were all posing as modeling agents. They pretended that they worked for Karen Modeling Agency and they went through my modeling book and um then they said and while while they were doing the casting, Bill Clinton walked through like say I'm sitting here. He walked through behind me and he's like, "Hi everyone." And then he went into an adjoining suite. So it looked like they were sharing the executive suite, the president suite of the hotel. What happened then is after these girls looked at my modeling book, they said, "Right, you can go through and see Epstein now." So I went through and I sat opposite Epstein and he looked through my modeling book and he said, "Right, I think you'd be perfect for Victoria's Secret." And then you know what happened is after I left there, his office started phoning and arranging me my visa and to get me there, they had me there within 3 weeks basically. And was it your impression that that Jeffrey Epstein was actually representing Victoria's Secret in terms of somebody who was finding models and recruiting models? Yes, he made it very clear that he worked with Leslie Wexner and that he was looking for models for Victoria's Secret. For Leslie Wexner, when you finished that meeting, Juliet, was it your impression that, hey, I've got a real shot here to be a model for Victoria's Secret. This is the big breakthrough that I've been trying to to get as a young model. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Terrible. Yeah. I I really believed it all. I was I was stupid. But but but then again maybe I wasn't stupid like a lot of people say they would have been conned by people like that. Let's see. Well, you would you certainly are far from the only one who's fallen for this. I mean obviously they you see somebody who's with the president a former president of the United States who's with you know highlevel celebrities and and why would you not believe it if a guy says that he's representing you know uh Leslie Wexner of of limited brands and the owner of Victoria's Secret. I mean, it would seem to me that you'd be all in your your rights to say this is a legitimate deal. And he was with Bill Clinton, you know, it just seems so legitimate. It seemed like the most legitimate opportunity of my whole life. [gasps] Well, because they tried to me. And what year would have this been, Juliet? Take your time. Was in 2002. 2002. I met them September 26, 2002. When you came to the United States, where did you go? Did you go to New York? Well, yeah. What happened is um there was a man waiting for my me with a name on on a board. He was like standing there with my name on a board and it seemed like so legitimate, you know, this name on the, you know, it just well, I mean, I just thought like, oh my god, I'm going to be like a celebrity. It was just like, what the hell is going on? You know, I was so excited. And then then the driver was driving me and I kept looking at all the billboards in New York and I was like thinking, "Oh my gosh, I'm going to like be able to solve all my family's problems." And and anyway, yeah. Then they dropped me off at 301 E66 Street, the modeling apartment, and I was in there for about 5 minutes and then the phone rang and it was Sarah Kellen and she said, "Pack your things. We're going to the Caribbean." I obviously assumed it was for a modeling shoot or something, you know. I She said, "Pack a small bag." So, I had to leave my big bag there and then bring a few small things to go to this island. And um you know I didn't I didn't have my phone with me. I didn't have any money because I asked them before like I told them I don't have any money and they said no don't worry we will deduct the money from your modeling jobs. You know they said I don't need money. So I was basically just completely trapped and stuck. And then what happened is the driver came back and he drove me to Terborough airport and then Epstein was sitting on the front of the plane and he like patted the chair like this next to him and then I went and sat there and then as soon as the airplane took off he started for touching me in between my legs forcibly and then I realized these people were going to try to kill me. I immediately knew that if I didn't do what they want they're going to kill me. I knew it. I felt it. What made you think that they would kill you, Juliet, if you didn't do what they wanted? Just the power. It was just I felt it strongly. Um it was just that I'd gone there for this modeling opportunity and suddenly I was being whisked away by these very rich, dangerous, powerful people. I mean obviously at the time I didn't know how dangerous they were but I just got a very strong feeling. I realized I'd been lied to basically Chris because the thing is I thought I was going to New York to stay in a modeling apartment and I was being sent for castings and then suddenly when I got taken off on the airplane he was touching me between my legs. I suddenly realized, "Oh my god, my family never going to see me again. I felt so terrible. I don't even want to talk about it. Sorry." Well, you totally understand, Juliet. They left my name. Sorry. I'm sorry. They left my name on that flight. So, if I gone missing, no one would have known what had happened to me. Right. Juliet, whatever they wanted, Juliet, this was Epstein's private plane, was it? Yeah. Okay. And you flew down to his island in the American Virgin Islands. Yeah. Then I knew I had to do whatever they wanted. Otherwise, they would have killed me. It was pretty obvious, especially since my name was left off that flight log. So, they never even put you on that flight log? No, my name was on the other flight logs. That one, they left my name off. So, if I gone missing, no one would have known what had happened to me. And did this sexual assault continue throughout the flight? I'm sorry. Sorry, but I'm going to get so stress. I'm so sorry. Go ahead. You can't get arrested for smoking, right? No, no, no, no, no, no. You're fine. Did this sexual assault by Epstein continue for the rest of the flight? And was there anybody else on the plane? The girls who posed as modding agents and when he saw touched me, they just laughed at me. They just laughed. So they thought this was a big joke that this was just a playtime for Epstein [gasps] and they thought it was very funny. I'm so sorry to cry like this. It's all right. We understand. And the flight presumably was 3 to 4 hours and you get down there after being assaulted, touched by Epstein. What happens when you actually get to the island, Juliet? Well, they showed me the remos. Um, we are I mean, first of all, you first of all, you had to be freaked out by the time you got there that you know, you thought you were getting involved in this legitimate modeling opportunity. Suddenly, you're whised away to go to the island. I'm sure you thought it was for a shoot at that time and then you get, you know, treated this way, assaulted by Epstein. And now you're on this island with no communication, no cell phone. Did you even have a passport at this point? They had my passport. They had all all my things like that. They said they had to have it for the flight. But the thing is, when we flew anywhere, no one ever checked anything on the plane. They never checked any passports. They never checked anything. None of the cargo. Nothing was checked. It we never went through any possible control on those planes. Basically, you'd land and a two cars would arrive and everything would be put on and you'd leave. Nothing was ever checked. What happened when you got to the compound? Well, first of all, we landed in, you know, I don't know if it's St. Thomas or St. Barts, wherever they land, St. Martins, and then we took a helicopter from there. You know, I was just like I firstly I hadn't slept on this flight from South Africa, you know, the 20-hour flight from South Africa. I was so excited thinking all my dreams are coming true. So I was absolutely exhausted. I'd also never even left South Africa. I'd never ever traveled without my my mom. You know, I'd never been anywhere out of the country. So I was just completely freaked out. And when we arrived there, they basically um showed me the room I was going to be staying in, the chalet. And then they kept that's when they started calling me to Epstein's room. After that, you know what happened is then the next day like another girl was boarded. And then the girl started giving him a [ __ ] in front of me in a m during he was watching a movie and I got so scared and I ran away. Basically it was just very very frightening and horrible you know. It was just it was a very very frightening place to be trapped as a young girl. And you were sexually assaulted by Epstein. Yeah. Many times. You know I kept getting called to his room. There's a lot of weird stuff with all of that too, you know. Well, I'm sorry you had to endure that. I mean, it's just beyond belief that they could trick somebody at this level and do it so many times. How long, Juliet, were you on the island during that particular visit? Well, um, the first time I was taken there, we were there for about like four or five days. Then we went to Palm Beach cuz the thing is they never used to tell anyone before they were like leaving, you know? They never used to like tell us the night before they were going somewhere else. They they like basically like half an hour before they'd be like, "Pack your things where we're going." And then we wouldn't know where we were going cuz they obviously didn't want anyone knowing where they were going. And then um yeah, we went to Palm Beach. And then after that um in Palm Beach, I was taken to his office and he told me he worked with the CIA. He told me that he had my family's name on a list and he told me that a girl accused him of rape and he planted drugs in her apartment and sent her to prison. After that I was sent to New York and they made my hair blonde and my teeth white by Frederick Fakai the hair salon man and then I was sent back to South Africa and then they brought me back again cuz by that point I was so broken. People ask why did I go back? I didn't want to disobey this man. It was quite clear that he was going to try and kill anyone who disobeyed him.
Juliet, there came a point during all this where you were at his ranch in New Mexico, and this to me is one of the more harrowing untold stories of the exploitation and abuse by Jeffrey Epstein. Explain to me what happened down there in terms of these experiments or medical crimes that he had committed against you.
Well, you know, it's so hard to actually explain all of it and and and but you know, I woke up in a laboratory there with like six people in hazmat suits and a female doctor working on me
And just so people know, this is at Epstein's Ranch in New Mexico.
Yeah. Epstein's Ranch in New Mexico.
And why were you brought there? Why? Why did they tell you you were What did they tell you in terms of why you were going there?
Nothing. I was never told anything.
Just you're going to we're going to the the ranch in New Mexico and you're coming along there. And yeah, I mean, I can't really explain it all very clearly because I don't really know more of what they were doing, but I do know what happened to me. Why did you think you were going to New Mexico? What did you think was going to happen there when you flew there from South Africa? I actually don't even know. I mean, the thing is Epstein had such a hold on me and so many other people. It's almost like he was running a bit of a cult, you know, and he would find people and like sort of try to control them. And the thing is like no one disobeyed Epstein. Like disobeying them would have been a very bad idea, you know. Look at look at the Maxwells, you know, and all those families. are very very dangerous. You know, being around Epstein was being it was like a mouse being around a snake, like a mouse with a puffer or a cobra. That's how I felt. And did you think at the time when you were in New Mexico that there was still a chance that you could score a modeling job out of this? I don't even know by that point. Like I was such a mess by that point to be honest, you know. Um I suppose I don't know what I thought by that point. I I think the thing is that he' taken such great advantage of me and it was just the whole thing had like messed me up so badly. You know, when I came back from there, I had terrible panic attacks. I was hospitalized like 10 times. I was put on tranquilizers. I was a real mess. It's like that's a lot of people judge and say like, "Oh, why did you go back?" The thing is when you're kidnapped by someone like that, you don't come back feeling okay. [clears throat] These people are very powerful. They're very, very clever. They know what they're doing. They know how to [ __ ] around with the young person. You know, I was 20 years old. If they took me now, I'd be a little more able to deal with it. But not really. That's why they wouldn't take me now. They take someone who's 20. Tell me what happened to you in New Mexico. This medical crime that was committed against you. Well, I just I woke I don't even know what they did. I woke up in a lab. There were people working on me. Um, you know, it wasn't like a usual sort of hospital area. It was just there's something very very weird that happened and I I don't know what it is. There's a lot of weird stuff that they try to do. I mean, if I knew more, I'd be dead, right? So, I guess I'm figuring it out with you. I don't really know what they did because So, you woke up. You woke up in what was essentially some sort of a makeshift operating room at Epstein's Ranch in New Mexico.
You saw them committing some sort of medical crime, some sort of procedure upon you and did you ever feel any sort of physical pain or trauma or were you ever able to confirm exactly what what they what they did? I know you've gotten trauma from the whole experience, but was it please I thought I was going to [ __ ] die every day. Yeah, they did sound serious to me and I know they did because I've like abused myself many times in my life, but I've never felt as bad as I did when I came back from that place. What do you think they did? Were you ever able to confirm it or or figure out exactly what they did to you down there?
I can't confirm it exactly, but as we all know, there's a big cover up going on here. And I think these criminals are capable of a lot more than any of us can comprehend. So, I mean, I wish I knew the truth, but if I did no more, I'd probably be dead. And like I said before, like they probably want me dead already. I can't go out. I can't even go to the beach. I've been followed. I've had my tires slashed. I know I'm not crazy. I've been going out in Cape Town my whole life. As a young girl, I used to take the train. I used to take taxis. I had no problem going out as a young girl in Cape Town. But nowadays, I can't go out because my tires get slashed. How were you finally able to get out of the Epstein grasp? How did you finally escape? What was the final thing that made you say, "I'm done. I I'm going to escape this. I'm out of here." That's actually that's actually a very good question because do you know what started to happen? He people started to go after him. There was a Vanity Fair article where Maria Farmer and Annie Farmer were, you know, after him and then I think the thing is he couldn't actually be um bringing girls from overseas anymore. got too dangerous for him cuz the time when he let me go was the time when he was about to get caught. Appar was never really put in prison. It's all a lie. But um he had to be bit more cautious with his deeds. So you think people started to catch on with Epstein. He was facing allegations in the Miami Herald for instance. He was he was facing he was facing criminal charges uh albeit you know a sweetheart deal in that plea bargain as we know. But you you think he backed off of trying to bring you in anymore because it was an international situation and he was under a a bit of a microscope at the time. It's also not just that. He also said very clearly that women out over the age of 22 are no longer attractive. He just said that girls were no longer useful after 22. So the thing is he did try to get me to stay there. He offered me $4,000 a month to stay there and work with him. $2,000 for any girl I found for him. But I didn't go for any of that because, you know, I just I just didn't want to be there. I wanted to be at home with my mom and my animals and my family. Are you in touch with some of the other survivors today? Do you keep in touch? I speak to Annie Farmer a lot. She's an amazing woman. Annie and Maria. Maria's also been through a lot. Um, we speak I speak to them. Um, there not many other survivors I'm in touch with. I I yesterday I actually got in touch with Haley. Um, Robson, I saw you did an interview with Haiti, right? Sure. Absolutely. And and my heart goes out to my heart goes all my heart goes out to all of you because I mean it's it's just shocking that he was able to get away with this for so long. Did you did you ever along the way, Juliet, actually meet Les Wexner? No. No, I didn't. Does it shock you that a guy like Epstein, you know, a college dropout, was able to con all these people along the way to a massive fortune that allowed him to conduct this sort of human trafficking on such a large scale? I mean, I mean, it's it's it's amazing to me and to a lot of other people that he was able to pull this off. And it raises questions about what what he had on Les Wexner. Now Wexner has denied any wrongdoing. He's not been charged with any crimes. But along the way, the recent reporting on this indicates that that in spite of Wexner's advisor saying, "Stay away from Epstein. He's a bad guy." He stayed loyal to him and actually, you know, continued to invest money and give Epstein money that allowed him to be a major player in these very wealthy circles. I mean, how does a guy get away with this like that? Yeah. No, there are a lot of stories about all of that. Um, what I have realized, you know, XG never told me he was a math teacher. He told me he used to be a cab driver and he said he had his own fleet of cabs and stuff. And he he told me he used to give girls free rides for [ __ ] So, I don't understand how a cab driver is suddenly a math teacher. And also if you look at the articles about this thing of Epstein being a math teacher, there's a photo of him with the board and he's written his name incorrectly. It's like Epston without the E. So what kind of a math teacher writes the name incorrectly? Also, if he was a math teacher, surely some of his students would have come out and spoken by now. Correct. Also like as far as being a pedophile, you would have expected some of the students to have had cases against him. Where are all the students? I would like to hear from one person who was in Jeffrey Epstein's math class, you know, cuz these these people these students will be about like what 40 now or 50 or 60, you know, they'll be alive. Where are these students so in his math class? That's what I want to know. How do you think Epstein got away with this for so long? We got so many breaks along the way. Was it power? Was it money? Was it blackmail? What do you What do you think based upon what you saw?
I think he's the front of a big business. There's a big business behind him. And I think there were other people protecting him. Um I don't believe that he was really a math teacher like I was saying. Um you know also the way he became like started working for Bay Sterns with you know Ace Greenberg all those names. It seems to me like with the school of Dalton, if you ask me, it seems like one of those he got involved with the children and I think one of them, one of the children did something bad and then he blackmailed the parents and I think that's how he got along that if he had to ask me. I mean, I don't know. I'm just guessing here. One of his former supervisors at Bear Stern said in a New York Times magazine article that came out just recently that he had the opportunity to end Epstein's career and wishes he had at the time. They they they learned that Epstein had falsified his college uh record. Yeah. And he said it was his greatest some his greatest regret, right? Yeah. That he didn't stop it when he could have. And this was in the in the early mid 80s. Yeah. And and there are more than one, you know, there is more than one person who is saying this now that they they caught him. They they figured out he was a con man back then. Obviously, nobody knew back then that he was capable of the the mass evil human trafficking that ultimately took place. But there were a lot of warning signs along the way here. And and the question begs, how does a guy like that end up amassing a fortune of a half a billion dollars and in spite of getting caught at least once? And I've gone through some of the files. Uh there was tons of evidence here. These women were were were were trying to get their story out there, you and and the others, when when nobody would listen. And it's shocking to me that that that this was able to to take place. And I guess it comes down to money, power, greed, and perhaps blackmail. Yeah, I'd say definitely some blackmail along the way. You know, these evil people work in very evil ways. And um a lot of us don't really understand it, but you know, where, you know, where they, like you said, where there's power, there's greed, there's corruption, and you know, people a lot of people after money. And I I think at the end of the day, Epstein was working for them really, you know. Did you ever meet uh Galileain Maxwell? Many times. And what was your relationship like with her when all this was going on? I was just very nervous of her because um I was actually told that she was Epstein's girlfriend. So it was like it just made the whole situation even worse where I'm like getting taken to this man's room and other girls are being taken there and then he has suddenly the girlfriend. It was just like it was just too much for me to handle. But um it was quite clear that she was a big part of the operation. They were working together. You know, if anyone was in charge, I would have said it was her, not him. In fact, because she was far more educated. She was, you know, more eloquent, like very very a very well educated woman. Epstein was a more sort of simple um guy. Recently, Galileain Maxwell was moved to a lower security camp like federal prison where by all accounts she has privileges not generally uh rewarded to somebody who's been convicted of human trafficking. How does that sit with you when you see uh that kind of preferential treatment being given to somebody who you know who has been convicted of this level of human trafficking? Well, I think if she was going to be given that level of comfort, she should name some names, right? You know, it's all about naming names and keeping quiet. But then again, I can understand why she hasn't been able to name names because guess what? The media won't name names. This is why I've got my account on X and I can't tell you how many times I've been blocked. You know, that's why a lot of the other victims can't make names. They can't speak because they don't have any following on X. They don't, you know, a lot of people, you know, I I used to have an e-commerce business, so I have a bit of knowledge of algorithms and things. A lot of these girls don't understand how to actually get their stories out there, and they're also very frightened. They live in America. You know, if I was in America, I'd be a lot more scared. But basically like a lot of people can't really speak out like even with Maxwell, how can she speak out if the news is going to block it all? You know, how's she going to speak out if the news won't put it there? Even though her family used to own the media, right? So, I'm sure she could make a plan. But anyway, if the news won't put put it there, then how do you get it there? And that's why I also speak out because, you know, coming from a place like Africa, what about all the other people who get murdered and abused and raped and they can't even speak out? If an absentee victim can't speak out on the news, then how can anyone speak out on the [ __ ] news? Sorry to swear. You know, there was a a massive financial settlement uh from the Epstein estate to many of the victims. Does that make any of this better? Does that provide any sense of justice in your mind? I'm very grateful that I was given a settlement um because it's also given me afforded me the time to step off the hamster wheel of life and do more research. I'm very grateful for that. But um you know, for me it's not about money. For me, it's stop seeing these perpetrators put in jail, you know, stop just just to get them to stop hurting people, you know, cuz I had a lawsuit against the Epstein estate, but I was very much told that I couldn't go ahead with my lawsuit. There was a whole lot of names on this document, but um I was advised not to go ahead with the lawsuit. And I told them, I said, "I don't care about the money. I want these people caught." But I was told that I would have been thrown out due to the statute of limitations. Unfortunately, I don't know if that's really true and I should have gone ahead with it. But you were a part of this settlement and as you mentioned that that helpful to you. Uh but does it does it represent justice given everything that you were put through by this man? No. Um it it helped it's helped me a lot and I'm sure many other victims. But the thing is also when girls are are feeling in such a mess when they've been through so much stress how are they supposed to even handle money you know it's not very easy is it and I think also that the public have become victims of this now also so the money paid to the victims doesn't give me any um happiness it gives me happiness that the victims are sorted and looked after in a way but what about the public about the rest of the people who've been lied to they need like we've all be we've all become victims of this and they've lied and lied and it's enough. You know, money can help a little, but it's not about money. It's about justice. It's about children not being hurt. That's what it's about. What did Jeffrey Epstein and his cronies take away from you, Juliet? You know, they took my innocence, but they can never take my soul. They'll never take anything from me. They tried to to mess up my life. They tried to hurt me like they hurt many other people. But what's really healed me is also the amazing people in the world who really care. I've had so many kind people helping and caring and that's really brought me back to myself and just thank you to everyone for that. And why is it so important for you to continue to speak out about this and on one hand it seems like we know a lot about Jeffrey Epste or as much as there is to know but but every week it seems there are more disturbing revelations. Do you ever think we'll get to the bottom of this? I think it's happening slowly but surely. Um, like I've said before, I think if the if the full truth came out, it would break a lot of people's brains cuz, you know, it's a lot more convoluted and frightening than what most people realize. This is not a simple sex trafficking. And sex trafficking is a disgusting crime, but it goes a lot deeper than that. These criminals have many branches to their organizations. And I just think that the more of us who speak out, the more that we create our own media. Like, you know, that's why I've been grateful having eggs to speak out. I think the more people who speak out and share information, the better because apparently the media do not want to interview victims of horrendous crimes. And I think the media should do their job properly and stop interviewing the victims. you've uh kept a diary about all this and it is the basis for a book that is uh due out soon called Blue Butterfly. Why was keeping a diary so important and what do you hope this book achieves? Um the thing is I didn't actually keep I have my diary from that year but I wasn't writing things down daily but I did write a few things down like when I met Epstein. I'm not like one of those people who writes long journals in a diary, but the author has chosen to write it like that because of my diary with the blue butterfly on the front. I just hope that more and more truth comes out, you know, soon. And yeah, the book will be coming out soon. But again, there's a lot more information that needs to be shared other than just the book. You know, there's a lot more information. And um yeah, I just I just hope that everyone does their own research. I think that's the best advice I can give anyone here is do your own research. You know, when you read something online, don't take it for fact. Go and fact check it and not just once, fact check it three times, five times. Do proper research. And you know, my friend who's written the book, she's done some proper research and her book is very much about the scientific side of things. you know, there's also the spiritual side of things, but um I just think the more and more people who do research and also just start realizing that we've been lied to through the media, you know, I think that's the way to to make the world a better place is to realize that we've been very much lied to. Do you think there's a way that all these very wealthy, powerful, smart people were actually tricked by a college dropout, Jeffrey? No, absolutely not. These guys are all criminals. Like when you get one criminal, like you like Sopranos. Was Tony Soprano the only criminal? No, no, no. It's all of them. It's the band. They come together. They're greedy. They want the money. You can't just blame one person. There's always a group and you need to look for the group. And that's what we need to look for here as Epstein's boss. You know, there's been talk about him being an intelligence agent for MSAD and things like that. Do you believe any of that? Well, Xen told me he worked with the CIA. So, very much I believe it because you know CIA and MOSAD are very um they're connected like Robert Maxwell and Nlie Wexner apparently both worked for the Mossad CIA in the 80s. So, yeah, I mean there's a lot going on with you know that we're not made aware of with these bastards and their criminal organizations like bringing in drugs, human trafficking, you know, there's a lot of money and drugs and human organs and babies by the way guys. you know, follow the money. And yeah, JP Morgan, there was $1 billion worth of human trafficking transactions between there and Epstein Morgan's accounts. I mean, between JP Morgan and Epstein's accounts, $1 billion worth of human trafficking transactions. I think that should be highlighted and I think people need to look into it because human trafficking transactions, $1 billion, Epstein, JP Morgan. Do you ever think we'll get to the bottom of this? Do you ever think we'll know, Juliet, the exact truth, the exact source of Epstein's power? I think it's starting to come out more and more, but I think the problem is the more and more it comes out, the more and more they try to hurt humanity, like with CO and things like that. So, the problem is they don't want this being exposed. So, I think it's it it's trickling out. It's trickling and and you know when something starts trickling eventually it plummets and falls. It will come out. It will. And do you think Galain Maxwell is the one who knows all? Who could solve a lot of these mysteries, answer a lot of these questions? It would seem she is. He'll know a lot for sure. She will definitely know a lot. But again, like I was saying, if the media won't interview me or other victims, are they going to necessarily interview Maxwell of what she has to say? You know, apparently um Jeffrey Epstein was about to name names. That's why he got killed. You know, are they going to interview people who are going to name names? No, they're not going to. Do you believe Jeffrey She might want to name them to get out of prison? You know, if I were, I would name them and get out. Do you think Jeffrey Epstein actually committed suicide? I think No, no, no. Definitely not suicide. Um, it's either it's either murder or he's alive somewhere. And I've been recently I was feeling like he's still alive, but now I'm not sure anymore. I'm not sure. The thing is it definitely wasn't suicide. Absolutely not. That man would never kill himself. He was he was a megalomaniac. Megleomaniacs don't commit suicide. That's an interesting point. I mean, everything everything I've seen obviously indicates that it was a suicide. But, you know, again, I'm not the expert on this. And there are plenty of skeptics on the suicide story. I guess this is one of those things that creates this enduring mystery. Juliet, there's so much to this case and we've taken a pretty good crack at it here, but is there anything else for this conversation at least that you want people to know about what happened to you and about the Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy? Thanks so much, Chris. Well, um I think you you've done an amazing job of covering pretty much everything. And if if you ever want to do a followup, I'm always um willing to come on. If any, you know, if any of the guests have questions, please send them to Chris. But um I think most importantly, the thing is that more victims need to speak out here because a lot of the victims are frightened to speak out. You know, a lot of them are not able to. A lot of people have had to sign agreements giving away their freedom of speech. But there's certain ways you can speak out, you know, and I just think the more people who speak out, the better because if we if we don't speak out, then who will? And and it's not just about the victims, it's about the public as well. It's about everyone right now because this is it's really hurt people's minds. It's hurt people's heads. It's it's been such a a horrible lie everything that's been going on. And I think the more people who speak out, the better. And the more pieces of the puzzle that come together, the better. And thank you, Chris, for helping to put the pieces of the puzzle. Well, thank you, Juliet Bryant, for having a seat with me. I appreciate it. You take care of yourself over there in South Africa, and we will stay in touch. I promise. Okay, perfect. Thank you so much, Chris. Juliet Bryant and the rest of the survivors of the Epstein conspiracy will always have a home here to take a seat with me. Thank you for joining me. Again, it's a lot to take in. It's a lot to weigh and and you know, gosh, this story isn't going away anytime soon. As much as we know now, there's more to know. I'll see you next week here on Have a Seat with Chris Hansen.
She Was Experimented on at Epstein’s Zorro Ranch — What Did They Do to Her? Kim Iversen Feb 28, 2026
Juliette Bryant is a South African survivor and advocate who was trafficked into Jeffrey Epstein’s network at the age of 20 in September 2002. While studying psychology and philosophy in Cape Town and working part-time as a model to support her family, she was approached at a model-friendly venue and recruited under the false promise of a prestigious modeling opportunity connected to Epstein, his associate Leslie Wexner of Victoria’s Secret, and high-profile figures including former President Bill Clinton, actor Kevin Spacey, and comedian Chris Tucker. Go to https://venice.ai/kim and use code KIM to get 20% off a pro plan and enjoy private, uncensored AI.
Over the following two years, Juliette was taken to multiple Epstein properties, including his private island in the Caribbean (Little St. James, prior to construction of the temple), Zorro Ranch in New Mexico, the Palm Beach residence, New York, and Paris. She provides a detailed firsthand account of the deceptive recruitment process, the rapid escalation from modeling casting to coercion, sexual abuse by Epstein, psychological manipulation, and the long-term impact on her life. She also describes unique sensory experiences and events during her time in Epstein’s circle, supported by her original 2002 diary entries, passport records, and flight-log documentation.
Now 43, Juliette Bryant is a committed voice for trafficking survivors and justice. Having always aspired to help others through psychology and philanthropy, she channels her experience into meaningful action. She is actively involved with Survivor Coin (https://survivorcoin.net/), a cryptocurrency initiative in which a portion of transaction fees directly funds charitable causes, including support for trafficking survivors and their families, educational opportunities, youth sports programs, clean-water projects in Africa, and low-income housing initiatives worldwide.
Her testimony offers important insight into the realities of adult human trafficking, the dynamics of exploitation by individuals in positions of power, and the path from survival to advocacy. Juliette Bryant continues to speak out with the goal of raising awareness, supporting victims, and contributing to a more just society.
Jeffrey Epstein's sprawling New Mexico ranch has long been reported to have served as one of his private playgrounds for sexual abuse and trafficking – but disturbing new allegations suggest something even more sinister unfolded behind its gates.
The Daily Mail can reveal that new witnesses - both men and women - are now claiming the disgraced financier also used the secluded compound to conduct nonconsensual medical procedures to advance his alleged interest in selective breeding.
'We have people coming forward saying they were drugged, had sex organs and sperm harvested from their bodies, and woke up around medical equipment not knowing where they were or what happened to them,' New Mexico state Representative Andrea Romero told the Daily Mail.
Romero is one of several lawmakers now calling for a state 'truth commission' to investigate potential sexual and medical abuses on the isolated ranch in Stanley, 40 miles south of the state capital Santa Fe.
As far-fetched as they may sound, the chilling accounts echo long-circulating claims about Epstein's obsession with eugenics and his desire to engineer genetically 'superior' children.
Before his suicide in 2019, the convicted pedophile reportedly openly discussed plans to use his 8,000-acre Zorro Ranch as a base to inseminate multiple women and produce his own enhanced bloodline.
Though there's no evidence that his sci-fi scheme came to fruition, the recent surge of tips flooding state officials' inboxes has sparked calls for a sweeping investigation into what really happened on the property.
'It's so dark and perplexing, and I know that if you mention this to someone, it sounds very conspiratorial,' Romero said. 'But we need to get down to the truth of what really happened here in our own backyard.'
Jeffrey Epstein at a scientific conference at Arizona State University in 2014
The 8,000-acre ranch is now at the center of disturbing allegations from witness who claim the pedophile had conducted nonconsensual medical procedures as part of his twisted eugenics plot
Epstein, who died in 2019, reportedly discussed plans to use the home as a base to inseminate multiple women and produce his own enhanced bloodline
Epstein bought Zorro Ranch in 1993 from Bruce King, a former three-time New Mexico governor.
The 13 square miles of high desert include a 26,700-square foot luxury hacienda, guest lodges and staff dwellings, several outbuildings, a firehouse, horse stables, a seven-bay heated garage, a greenhouse to grow fresh produce, a cattle grazing operation and private air strip, hangar and helipad.
Epstein owned the property until his death in a New York federal prison. His estate listed it in 2021 for $27.5 million.
That price was later dropped to $18 million and the ranch sold for an undisclosed price in 2023 to a limited liability corporation that renamed the property the San Rafael Ranch, but whose owner is shrouded in secrecy.
'It's really nobody's business,' Claudia Mardel, a New Mexico real estate agent and self-professed 'animal communicator' who works for the new owner and claims to be bound by a confidentiality agreement, told the Daily Mail.
Epstein used Zorro Ranch as an isolated getaway and playground for VIP guests who were able to come and go more discreetly than they could even to Little St James, his private Caribbean island off St Thomas.
Civil filings claim that the compound hosted the former Prince Andrew, who was accused by Virginia Giuffre who produced photographs and written statements showing she visited the compound during the time she was trafficked as a teenager between 2000 and 2002.
There have been unverified claims by contractors and journalists that Bill Clinton and other prominent figures also spent time on the property.
The entrance to the massive compound 40 miles south of Santa Fe, which Epstein bought in 1993
The property was secluded and is said to have served as an isolated getaway and playground for his VIP guests
An interior shot of the main house on Zorro Ranch
Maria Farmer has said she and her younger sister Annie visited Zorro Ranch in 1996 under the guise of an art commission.
Maria alleged she was sexually assaulted by Epstein and his partner, Ghislaine Maxwell, who in 2021 was found guilty of child sex trafficking and is serving a 20-year sentence in federal prison.
Annie has said she was 15 when flown to the property and directed by Epstein and Maxwell 'to take off all her clothes and get on a massage table.'
Several lawsuits by anonymous 'Jane Doe' plaintiffs also allege sexual abuse at Zorro Ranch.
Epstein didn't spend as much time at the compound as at his properties in New York, Florida and the Virgin Islands.
Renee Burns told the Daily Mail that she could 'count on one hand' the number of times she saw him during her stint as a maid there between 2005 and 2010.
Although her boss hosted plenty of young women, she said they appeared to be older than 18 and 'there by their own decision'.
If sexual abuse or medical procedures were taking place on the on the property, as some have alleged, she didn't see it.
The three-level main house spanned 30,000 square feet complete with four bedrooms, a living room, library (pictured) and gourmet kitchen
The plans show that Epstein's master bedroom takes up most of the first floor, where there were also two relatively small en-suite bedrooms and a fourth 'staff bedroom'
New Mexico state Representative Andrea Romero is one of several lawmakers now calling for a sweeping investigation into what really happened at Zorro Ranch, following a recent influx of tips
'I knew he was a narcissist and a terrible person,' Burns said, describing how Epstein acted imperiously around her and ordered her to write notes rather than speaking directly to him
'I was to be seen and not heard. I ironed the sheets, made the beds, rinsed their toothbrushes.
'I never saw him having sex with anybody, never saw him naked, never saw anything I'd consider illegal. But then again, I wasn't in every nook and cranny of the place.'
Because lawmakers have yet to look into these new allegations - and to protect the identities of whistleblowers - it is unclear how or to what extent potential victims were invaded medically. By several accounts, prosecutors in New Mexico didn't investigate Epstein as vigorously as their counterparts in New York and Florida.
He was never charged with crimes in the state and wasn't even required to register there as a sex offender.
Epstein apparently saw the sprawling compound not just as a vacation home and pedophile playpen, but also a place to advance his interest in eugenics, the largely discredited belief that the human race can be improved by selective breeding.
A 2019 New York Times investigation detailed his scheme to 'use his New Mexico ranch as a base where up to 20 women at a time would be inseminated with his sperm and would give birth to his babies'.
Epstein's vision for a baby-making factory connected to his interest in transhumanism, the controversial idea of 'improving' the human gene pool through genetic manipulation.
[x] One of the four bedrooms inside the sprawling property
There have been unverified claims by contractors and journalists that Bill Clinton and other prominent figures also spent time on the property
He reportedly was inspired by the 'Repository for Germinal Choice,' a sperm bank from the 1980s that claimed to stock supplies from Nobel Prize winners.
The financier apparently discussed the plan on multiple occasions in the early 2000s, including with people the Times described as 'two award-winning scientists and an adviser to large companies and wealthy individuals.'
'The idea struck all three as far-fetched and disturbing,' the paper reported.
Representative Romero, a lawyer, agrees that the scheme sounds 'too crazy to be true,' but said it cannot be ignored now that members of the public have come forward with accounts of mysterious medical procedures and experiments on the compound.
One, she said, is a now-adult woman who claims her sex organs were medically experimented on at Zorro as a toddler.
The tips have come since late October, when Romero and other state lawmakers announced plans for a 'truth commission' to investigate Epstein's pattern of predatory behavior and control over women at Zorro Ranch during his decades of ownership.
As proposed, the state would allocate $2.5 million to gather testimony, document abuses on the ranch and make recommendations 'for institutional reform, reparations' and how to prevent similar 'oversight gaps' in other 'remote, high-wealth enclaves' in New Mexico.
If approved, as expected, the commission would be composed of two Democratic and two Republican House members plus a fifth nonpartisan member, potentially a retired judge. It would begin its yearlong investigation in April 2026.
Sisters Maria (left) and Annie Farmer visited Zorro Ranch in 1996 under the guise of an art commission. Both have claimed to have been abused by the pedophile when they were teens. Epstein owned the property until his death in 2019. His estate later listed it for sale in 2021 for $27.5million
Since plans for the commission were announced in late October, Romero said she and her colleagues have received 25 to 30 tips and first-hand accounts of abuses on the ranch.
'We have this massive international story in New Mexico and all these potential conspiracies, horrible things that have happened there.
'We don't know what's fact from fiction, but owe it to the people of our state to sort through these threads of information and get answers,' the Santa Fe Democrat said.
Republican state Representative Andrea Reeb, a former district attorney with a record of prosecuting crimes against children, has agreed to sit on the commission.
'Zorro Ranch has given New Mexico a black eye. We as a state haven't been aggressive enough on figuring out what happened there,' she said.
'My main interest is to see if we can bring justice to some of the victims.'
Reeb and others in state government acknowledge that the inquiry is a political minefield.
The late Bill Richardson, New Mexico's former Democratic governor, U.S. energy secretary and ambassador to the United Nations, is said to have visited the compound and was linked to Epstein socially, through campaign contributions and an accuser's testimony. He denied any wrongdoing and died in 2023.
Former New Mexico governor Bill Richardson was previously named by Epstein accuser Virginia Giuffre as one of the men Epstein trafficked her to. Richardson died in 2023
There are also widespread suspicions that Gary King, New Mexico's attorney general from 2007 to 2015 — when allegations against Epstein were mounting — avoided investigating the politically connected financier who had bought the ranch from his family. King could not be reached for comment.
The 'truth commission' is expected to have subpoena power, which state officials said they hope to use to determine the identity of the ranch's new owners and to question Karen and Brice Gordon, who ran the compound for Epstein.
'We need to see what they know,' Romero said.
The Gordons are said to have fled the ranch and the country, possibly going to New Zealand, after Epstein's death.
Several former ranch employees describe the couple as efficient managers who treated their workers well.
'If I were them, I'd disappear, too,' Burns said. 'Nobody wants to be associated with the ranch and that scumbag who owned it.'
'You wonder what happened to them, what they knew, whether they can be found,' added Manolito Royal, who spent 17 years doing maintenance work on the property.
During that time, he observed what he described as a steady flow of guests he was told were models, and was encouraged not to inquire about what they were doing there.
Asked to share the names of prominent male guests on the compound, he said, 'I plead the Fifth.'
'It's hard to say what's behind the door when you haven't opened it.'
Although Royal welcomes the 'truth commission' and its inquiry into what took place on the property, he said, 'I'm kinda surprised it's taken so long.'
'I wish it would have came out when he was, you know, alive,' he said of Epstein.
Talking about Zorro Ranch 'still makes me shake,' he admitted even more than a decade after leaving his job there because mounting allegations against his boss bothered him.
'Being associated with somebody like that, I'd just as soon get this past me.'
