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Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:43 am
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[Maria] I want to get back to – yeah – I’m going to get back to Big Tech because this is a critical part of this story, Mr. President. But if you take out the contested swing states’ electoral votes, you’re back down to President Trump having 232 electoral votes, and Joe Biden having 227. That is if you strip out the six states with the legal challenges.
[Trump] That’s right!
[Maria] So is the thinking here that because of the various ballot issues, that the Supreme Court will rule that the vote is tainted. And that will mean that they have to take votes away from Biden and not certify? Is that the thinking?
And secondly, what is your timing on this, Mr. President? Because we’ve got some notable election dates here that I want to ask you what you believe you consider to be your drop dead date in terms of proving this case. Is it December 18th when the states finalize elector appointments, or when electors cast votes in each state? Is it the Vice President receiving electoral votes? Is it the House and Senate counting electoral votes? Or is it inauguration day, January 20? How do you see it?
[Trump] Well, I don’t want to give you an actual date. A lot of people say the 18th, or they say the 14th, or they say January 20th. I’m not going to say a date. But I will say we have to move very fast. We have been moving fast. And look, when you say, “Is it tainted?” Everyone knows it’s tainted. Everyone knows that the poll watchers were thrown out of buildings. Everyone knows that people were not allowed to vote when they walked in, SO PRECIOUSLY, SO BEAUTIFULLY, TO VOTE. An elderly woman – we have her deposition – was told, WHO LONGED TO VOTE, WHO LOOKED FORWARD TO THE DAY, NOVEMBER 3RD, was told when she got in there, “I’m sorry, you voted.” And then they gave her another ballot to sign which they don’t use, because she already voted. That’s how brazen they are! They’ll actually vote people knowing there’s a good chance that those people will come. And there were thousands of those people!
And by the way, just to set the record straight, because a couple of these cases were dismissed because they didn’t have enough votes, enough bad, tainted votes, so that you don’t overturn the state. No! In all cases, we have many times – I don’t even know where the judges would have gotten that information. We have thousands and thousands and tens of thousands of votes more than we need. In other words, if I lost a state by 9,000 votes, or if I lost Georgia by let’s say 12,000 votes, we have tens of thousands more votes than that. We don’t have it where we found nine dead people, and therefore we want you to turn over the state and give us those electoral votes. In all cases, and yet judges are, one judge was saying we didn’t have the votes to turn it over; therefore, it’s meaningless. In other words, if you don’t have the votes, I understand that. If you had far fewer votes than the amount.
Now, in one way, you could also say, “It’s so fraudulent when they are voting for dead people, and when dead people are signing applications, meaning they’re not, meaning somebody else is fraudulently signing, I mean, in the name of a dead person! Well, that tells you a lot! But we actually have thousands of votes, in some cases hundreds of thousands of votes, more than we need in every swing state that we’re talking about.
[Maria] Mr. President, have you received from your Chief of Cybercommand any briefing on electronic interference from either internal or external influences? Have your received this briefing?
[Trump] We’re dealing with John Radcliffe, who is fantastic. We’re dealing with other people. And we don’t always get – you know, they’ve been there for a long time, Maria. It’s a long story! It’s a long story! We’re disappointed that other people, more people didn’t get involved, because this is a fraud. This is a fraud against the American people. It’s a fraud against the United States of America. And we’re disappointed that some people don’t get more involved, like this character on 60 Minutes, they’re putting him on – this guy, we had so many things. He’s talking about how honest the election is. Well, how come there are thousands of dead people voting? How come there are all of these other people voting that shouldn’t be voting?
How come we find thousands of votes? How come poll watchers – every vote that went through an election area, they call it a counting area, where our poll watchers were locked out of the building, outside, standing outside, or standing so far away that you couldn’t see, where they literally went out and sent for binoculars. These are supposed to be right next to that vote. Well, every one of them is a fraud. So how can he say, other than that he’s an anti-Trumper, how can this guy say there was no fraud? 60 Minutes, by the way, never called us for comment. You know, they do a piece on somebody, they don’t call us for comment. But when you don’t have a poll watcher, and thousands of votes are passing that area where you’re supposed to have a poll watcher to see that everything’s on the up and up, well, those are votes that count toward us. And those are thousands of votes. And they were done in many of the states, swing states that we are talking about.
[Maria] Where is the DOJ and the FBI on all of this? Mr. President, you have laid out some serious charges here. Shouldn’t this be something that the FBI is investigating? Are they? Is the DOJ investigating?
[Trump] Missing in action. I can’t tell you where they are. I ask, “Are they looking at it?” Everyone says, “Yes, they’re looking at it.” Look, where are they with Comey, McCabe, and all of these other people? You know, I said, “I’ll stay out of it.” I wish I didn’t make that statement. There’s no reason really why I have to. But where are they with Comey, with McCabe, with Brennan, with all these people who lied to Congress. They lied, they leaked, they spied on our campaign, and I see Carter Page is bringing a lawsuit – that’s good news. Where are they with all of this stuff? And you know, what happened to Durham? Where’s Durham? So, you know, you’re asking me a question. These people have been there a long time. And I know FBI, and FBI is great at the levels that we talk about, but it’s inconceivable. You would think, if you’re in the FBI or Department of Justice, this is the biggest thing you could be looking at. Where are they? I’m not seeing anything! I mean, I just, they just keep moving along, and they go on to the next president. They’ve been there for a long time. People don’t understand this. They’ve been there for a long time. Some of them have served a lot of different presidents. And they have their own views.
All I can say is I haven’t heard, with all of the fraud that’s taken place, nobody has come to me and said, “Oh, the FBI has nabbed the people who are doing this scheme.” The FBI is looking at Dominion – which nobody even knows where they are based – which nobody even knows where the votes are counted. Do you know, the votes in Dominion, they say are counted in foreign countries. Okay? Can you believe this?
Now, Dominion is also based in a number of foreign countries. One of them is Canada. And Canada refuses to use Dominion, and they are based there. They won’t get anywhere near. Texas will not get anywhere near Dominion. I spoke with the attorney general; I spoke with a lot of different people. Texas, you should see the reports Texas wrote on Dominion. They wouldn’t use them. They wouldn’t under any circumstance they wouldn’t use them. So as you have probably heard. But Canada does paper votes. And the only way this is going to be safe is paper votes. Even the mailman. Look, the mailmen are carrying thousands of ballots back and forth, back and forth. There are many mailmen who are in big trouble right now for selling ballots, for getting rid of ballots. This is the craziest thing you’ve ever seen.
[Maria] Well, it seems to me –
[Trump] But many ballots with the name Trump on them were thrown out. You’ve read that. They’ve found ballots in a river, with the name Trump on them from the military. They were signed. And they were floating in a river.
They found ballots under rocks that had the name Trump on. They were signed with Trump. We won the election easily! There’s no way Joe Biden got 80 million votes! I just said, there’s no way Joe Biden beat Barack Obama in the Black communities of various cities, and then he did very badly compared to Obama in other cities throughout the United States. There’s no way it happened! This election was a fraud! It was a rigged election!
[Maria] THIS IS DISGUSTING! AND WE CANNOT ALLOW AMERICA’S ELECTION TO BE CORRUPTED! WE CANNOT!
So you believe you can prove that the computers can circumvent any controls that are in place? And before we leave the subject of Durham, I FEEL LIKE SOMETHING HAPPENED IN SEPTEMBER. I DON’T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, BUT WE WERE ALL EXPECTING DURHAM TO COME OUT AND A.G. BARR TO BE AGGRESSIVE. He told me back in June that mail-in ballots opened the floodgates of fraud. WHY WASN’T ANYTHING DONE ABOUT IT? WHY WEREN’T THERE SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS TO SHOOT, WHAT WE KNOW NOW, TO BE TRUCKS BACKING UP BALLOTS, FOR EXAMPLE IN MICHIGAN?
And finally, this question: “Will you appoint a special counsel to investigate and to continue the investigating into what took place in the 2016 election?” You mention Jim Comey and Andrew McCabe not facing accountability. Will you appoint a special counsel?
[Trump] By the way, Comey/McCabe – that’s the least of it. You talk about the Logan Act, they used the Logan Act on General Flynn who I was very proud to pardon, but they wanted to use and they did use the Logal Act on General Flynn. And you know what that started!
Look, this whole thing is a terrible situation. This should never have been allowed to happen. And it’s an embarrassment to our country. All over the world they are talking about it! And yeah, I would consider a special prosecutor, because you know this is not a counsel. It sounds so nice. I went through three years of a special counsel prosecutor, I call it a prosecutor because it’s a much more accurate term. They spend 48 million dollars: Weissman and all Trump haters. They spent 48 million. That was the Muller investigation. They went through taxes; they went through everything. For 48 million, you look at everything. And they found no collusion, no nothing. They found nothing. After friends of mine said, “You must be the cleanest guy in the world.” Because nobody could have gone through an examination like that. And then they announce, “We have no collusion.” There was none. And Marco Rubio said “President Trump with the Senate Judiciary here is absolutely, was totally uninvolved, they had nothing to do with Russia.” It was a Russia Russia Hoax. It was a pure hoax, and a very sad thing for the country.
And as much as I’ve done, and I think I’ve done more than virtually – in four years – more than any president in history, with space force, with tax cuts, the biggest regulation cuts in history, the biggest tax cuts in history, the Vets, the V.A., as much as I’ve done, I could have done except that I was under investigation from the day I came down the escalator with what turned out to be our future First Lady, who is very popular by the way. But when I came down the escalator, from very shortly thereafter, and you know this almost better than anybody else, I was under investigation. Now, at the time, I didn’t know it, but I was. All they do is investigate. And then they send everything they have into New York when I beat them in the Federal. I beat them in Federal. They send everything into New York. “Oh, let them take a crack at it.”
What’s going on in this country is not to be believed. I could say some very strong words where this country has gone over the last ten or 15 years, but it’s not to be believed! And we were changing it. If I got in, or get in, we will very quickly have deals with Iran, but now they’re going to give the ship away. They’ll pay hundreds of billions of dollars to Iran. China didn’t want me in because we were beating China so badly, and now they’re going to – China actually, actually stated – you probably heard it two days ago, “ We want to deal with the United States, but we don’t like America First.” And now the Democrats are saying, “Oh, we won’t use America First.” America First is exactly what it is. America First. We have to take care of ourselves first, and then we can help others. But we have to take care of ourselves first, or we won’t have a country.
But that’s where we are, Maria. It’s a very sad thing. Why isn’t the FBI all over the place? They’re not. They’re not. It’s an incredible thing. They’re not. It’s an embarrassment to our country.
[Maria] Confirm that your cases will reach the Supreme Court in the next two weeks. Confirm that for us, and also, what do you want to say to people, like business people, who, for example Jamie Dimon, the CEO of J.P. Morgan, who said, “It’s time to move on, and unify, and accept the results. Or Stephen Schwarzman who is a supporter of you who said, “Soon we will have to move on.” AND WHAT ABOUT THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THE SUPREME COURT AGREEING WITH YOU? ARE YOU WORRIED THAT WE COULD SEE RIOTS? AND YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO DON’T AGREE WITH YOU, THEY THINK IT’S JUST FINE TO THROW BRICKS THROUGH YOUR WINDOW! AND FORCE SMALL BUSINESSES TO BOARD UP! ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT UNREST AND RIOTING SHOULD THE SUPREME COURT AGREE WITH YOU?
[Trump] So, the people that we have, and the people that are so committed to this, like I’ve never seen. And I think almost they have more spirit now than they did even before the election. All of the people, these are not rioting types, but they are stronger, they are smarter, they are more successful. ANTIFA is bad news. Nobody wants to do anything with ANTIFA except me. If I wasn’t here, ANTIFA would be running this country right now. They’d be running the country. They always like to blame the radical right. It’s not the radical right, it’s the radical left, and it’s largely ANTIFA and groups like this. And nobody wants to even talk about them. Nobody wants to talk about what they’re doing in Portland, and what they’re doing in Chicago, and what they’re doing in New York. And they club people over the heads when nobody’s looking, and then nobody talks about it. It’s a disgrace! It’s absolutely a disgrace! And if I’m not here, I’m sort of your wall. You know, we’re completing the wall like I said I would. Everyone said you’d never be able to do it. That’s another one I got built. And it’s had a huge impact. We’ve had the best numbers we’ve ever had on the southern border. People come in, but they come in legally. But the wall is almost complete. And to be honest, we look and we see all of the different problems, MS13 – we take care of it. We bring thousands of MS13 back to where they came from. We don’t want them here. We bring them back. But ANTIFA is a real problem in this country, and nobody wants to take them on. It’s disgraceful! It’s disgraceful!
[Maria] Which cases specifically will reach the Supreme Court and when?
[Maria] I want to get back to – yeah – I’m going to get back to Big Tech because this is a critical part of this story, Mr. President. But if you take out the contested swing states’ electoral votes, you’re back down to President Trump having 232 electoral votes, and Joe Biden having 227. That is if you strip out the six states with the legal challenges.
[Trump] That’s right!
[Maria] So is the thinking here that because of the various ballot issues, that the Supreme Court will rule that the vote is tainted. And that will mean that they have to take votes away from Biden and not certify? Is that the thinking?
NOTABLE ELECTION DATES
Dec 8: States finalize elector appointments
Dec 14: Electors cast votes in each state
Dec 23: Vice President receives electoral votes
Jan 6: House & Senate Count Electoral votes
Jan 20: Presidential Inauguration Day
And secondly, what is your timing on this, Mr. President? Because we’ve got some notable election dates here that I want to ask you what you believe you consider to be your drop dead date in terms of proving this case. Is it December 18th when the states finalize elector appointments, or when electors cast votes in each state? Is it the Vice President receiving electoral votes? Is it the House and Senate counting electoral votes? Or is it inauguration day, January 20? How do you see it?
[Trump] Well, I don’t want to give you an actual date. A lot of people say the 18th, or they say the 14th, or they say January 20th. I’m not going to say a date. But I will say we have to move very fast. We have been moving fast. And look, when you say, “Is it tainted?” Everyone knows it’s tainted. Everyone knows that the poll watchers were thrown out of buildings. Everyone knows that people were not allowed to vote when they walked in, SO PRECIOUSLY, SO BEAUTIFULLY, TO VOTE. An elderly woman – we have her deposition – was told, WHO LONGED TO VOTE, WHO LOOKED FORWARD TO THE DAY, NOVEMBER 3RD, was told when she got in there, “I’m sorry, you voted.” And then they gave her another ballot to sign which they don’t use, because she already voted. That’s how brazen they are! They’ll actually vote people knowing there’s a good chance that those people will come. And there were thousands of those people!
And by the way, just to set the record straight, because a couple of these cases were dismissed because they didn’t have enough votes, enough bad, tainted votes, so that you don’t overturn the state. No! In all cases, we have many times – I don’t even know where the judges would have gotten that information. We have thousands and thousands and tens of thousands of votes more than we need. In other words, if I lost a state by 9,000 votes, or if I lost Georgia by let’s say 12,000 votes, we have tens of thousands more votes than that. We don’t have it where we found nine dead people, and therefore we want you to turn over the state and give us those electoral votes. In all cases, and yet judges are, one judge was saying we didn’t have the votes to turn it over; therefore, it’s meaningless. In other words, if you don’t have the votes, I understand that. If you had far fewer votes than the amount.
Now, in one way, you could also say, “It’s so fraudulent when they are voting for dead people, and when dead people are signing applications, meaning they’re not, meaning somebody else is fraudulently signing, I mean, in the name of a dead person! Well, that tells you a lot! But we actually have thousands of votes, in some cases hundreds of thousands of votes, more than we need in every swing state that we’re talking about.
[Maria] Mr. President, have you received from your Chief of Cybercommand any briefing on electronic interference from either internal or external influences? Have your received this briefing?
[Trump] We’re dealing with John Radcliffe, who is fantastic. We’re dealing with other people. And we don’t always get – you know, they’ve been there for a long time, Maria. It’s a long story! It’s a long story! We’re disappointed that other people, more people didn’t get involved, because this is a fraud. This is a fraud against the American people. It’s a fraud against the United States of America. And we’re disappointed that some people don’t get more involved, like this character on 60 Minutes, they’re putting him on – this guy, we had so many things. He’s talking about how honest the election is. Well, how come there are thousands of dead people voting? How come there are all of these other people voting that shouldn’t be voting?
(CNN) To hear some people tell it -- including a handful of prominent Republicans, such as members of President Trump's family and supporters like former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and former acting Director of National Intelligence Richard Grenell -- you might think that Democrats were using dead people to steal Michigan's Electoral College votes from Trump.
But, like much of the misinformation circulated online this week by some Trump supporters, the claim falls apart under scrutiny. A CNN analysis of the claim and the purported backing for it did not find a single instance of that happening.
One of the supposed pieces of evidence was a list that circulated on Twitter Thursday evening allegedly containing names, birth dates, and zip codes for registered voters in Michigan. The origin of the list and the identity of the person who first made it public are not known.
CNN examined 50 of the more than 14,000 names on the list by taking the first 25 names on the list and then 25 more picked at random. We ran the names through Michigan's Voter Information database to see if they requested or returned a ballot. We then checked the names against publicly available records to see if they were indeed dead.
Of the 50, 37 were indeed dead and had not voted, according to the voter information database. Five people out of the 50 had voted -- and they are all still alive, according to public records accessed by CNN. The remaining eight are also alive but didn't vote.
The sample CNN reviewed is not representative, but the trend was clear -- not a single one of the names examined was of a dead person voting.
The version of the list CNN found has since been removed from the site hosting it.
Viral videos
Falsehoods about dead people casting ballots in Michigan began spreading through videos posted to social media late Wednesday night.
A typical clip showed a person entering a name, birth date and zip code into Michigan's state-run voter lookup website. The videos would show the search results for a voter who, despite being over 110 years old, had supposedly requested and successfully returned a ballot.
Right-wing personality Austen Fletcher, who goes by the name "Fleccas" online, created some of the videos that went viral.
Fletcher's first video, posted shortly after midnight Thursday morning, shows him search for a voter named William Bradley who was born in March 1902.
"Turns out 118-year-old 'William Bradley' voted via absentee ballot in Wayne County, Michigan," Fletcher tweeted Thursday. "How long has this been going on?" he added.
A search of public records revealed a man named William Bradley was born in March 1902 and died in I984 in Michigan's Wayne County. But public records also show that his son, also named William Bradley and living at the same address, is very much alive -- and a voter.
Lawrence Garcia, the principal attorney for the city of Detroit, confirmed to CNN that "a man with a nearly identical name [to the deceased Bradley] requested a ballot and voted properly in both the primary and general elections."
"When his ballot was initially logged, however, it was incorrectly attributed to the William Bradley born 118 years ago through a clerical error," Garcia added.
The younger Bradley told PolitFact that he reached out to the city after Fletcher's video was posted but was told not to worry since officials check for a matching signature and date of birth.
Some prominent figures on the right, including Donald Trump Jr, actor James Woods, and activist Candace Owens shared Fletcher's videos, which have collectively garnered millions of views across Twitter.
Others, like Juan Andres Caro, a White House policy adviser, made their own videos replicating Fletcher's search.
Grenell retweeted Caro's video, which has more than a million views on Twitter.
CNN reached out to Fletcher and Caro for comment. Fletcher did not respond and Caro did not comment.
Tracy Wimmer, the director of media relations for Michigan's Secretary of State, told CNN that, on rare occasions, errors like this can occur with "voters with similar names, where the ballot is accidentally recorded as voted by John Smith Sr when it was actually voted by John Smith Jr."
She added that ballots for deceased voters are rejected and that "local clerks can correct the issue when it is brought to their attention."
Later on November 5, the Michigan Secretary of State's office replied directly to Fletcher's tweet, calling it "misinformation." By then the post had been retweeted tens of thousands of times.
Errors and quirks
Clerical errors, database quirks, and genuinely long-living individuals can sometimes explain why it looks like people are casting ballots from beyond the grave.
Occasionally living voters submit ballots with incorrect birth years that make it appear as if they're actually deceased, according to Wimmer. "In such scenarios, no one ineligible has actually voted," she said.
Other videos Fletcher produced feature voters who returned ballots and are listed in Michigan's voter information website as having been born in January 1900 or 1901.
Of course, that's not what happened. There's a much simpler and less sinister explanation.
Detroit's Director of Elections, George Azzouz explained to CNN that "the date of January 1, 1900 is often used in the electronic poll book as a temporary placeholder for absentee ballots arriving just before Election Day."
"The placeholder information has to be inserted in order for the electronic poll book to accept the entry," Azzouz added.
A 2017 report about duplicate voting from the Government Accountability Institute echoed this explanation as well.
"It is important to note that some state registration systems indicate a missing date of birth by adopting filler dates, such as 01/01/1900, 01/01/1850, or 01/01/1800," the report noted.
"The vast majority of votes cast by individuals appearing to be over 115 years old had these three erroneous birthdates."
A search of public records for a different voter Fletcher featured in his videos supports this. Donna Brydges, despite being 75 years old, has a voter registration entry with a 1901 year of birth.
Catherine Lewis, the clerk for the township where Brydges lives, explained to CNN that "it is not uncommon for voters in Michigan to have 01/01/01 mistakenly listed as their date of birth in the qualified voter database."
"The voter in question properly applied for an absentee ballot, provided her state-issued driver's license with her application, and returned her absentee ballot in the properly signed and sealed envelope as required by state law," Lewis said in a statement.
"The board of election inspectors, consisting of Republican and Democratic members, had no question that the voter was who she purported to be or that her signatures matched," she added.
The fact that these birthdates showed up repeatedly by itself should have been a clue. After all, if someone wanted to steal an election using votes from dead people without getting caught, it would be silly to pick people who all happened to have been born in the same month and year, not to mention people whose incredibly advanced age would immediately raise suspicion.
Why the dead don't vote
The Michigan Secretary of State's office says casting a vote in the name of a dead person is almost impossible.
"In the unlikely event that someone who was alive and had their identity verified when they requested a ballot died before receiving it, and someone else attempted to vote as them, the signature mismatch/deceased flag in the [Qualified Voter File] would once again flag it for rejection," Wimmer explained.
In fact, CNN previously reported on a 20-year-old cancer patient in Wisconsin who voted early but sadly died before election day. Her vote was thrown out under Wisconsin law.
This assessment is backed up by research from independent organizations like the Brennan Center for Justice, a nonpartisan but liberal-leaning law and policy institute.
"The consensus from credible research and investigation is that the rate of illegal voting is extremely rare, and the incidence of certain types of fraud -- such as impersonating another voter -- is virtually nonexistent," the institute notes in the resources section of their website.
-- Claims that dead people voted went viral. These are the facts, By Konstantin Toropin, Holmes Lybrand and Annie Grayer, CNN, Updated 10:47 AM ET, Sun November 8, 2020
How come we find thousands of votes? How come poll watchers – every vote that went through an election area, they call it a counting area, where our poll watchers were locked out of the building, outside, standing outside, or standing so far away that you couldn’t see, where they literally went out and sent for binoculars. These are supposed to be right next to that vote. Well, every one of them is a fraud. So how can he say, other than that he’s an anti-Trumper, how can this guy say there was no fraud? 60 Minutes, by the way, never called us for comment. You know, they do a piece on somebody, they don’t call us for comment. But when you don’t have a poll watcher, and thousands of votes are passing that area where you’re supposed to have a poll watcher to see that everything’s on the up and up, well, those are votes that count toward us. And those are thousands of votes. And they were done in many of the states, swing states that we are talking about.
[Maria] Where is the DOJ and the FBI on all of this? Mr. President, you have laid out some serious charges here. Shouldn’t this be something that the FBI is investigating? Are they? Is the DOJ investigating?
[Trump] Missing in action. I can’t tell you where they are. I ask, “Are they looking at it?” Everyone says, “Yes, they’re looking at it.” Look, where are they with Comey, McCabe, and all of these other people? You know, I said, “I’ll stay out of it.” I wish I didn’t make that statement. There’s no reason really why I have to. But where are they with Comey, with McCabe, with Brennan, with all these people who lied to Congress. They lied, they leaked, they spied on our campaign, and I see Carter Page is bringing a lawsuit – that’s good news. Where are they with all of this stuff? And you know, what happened to Durham? Where’s Durham? So, you know, you’re asking me a question. These people have been there a long time. And I know FBI, and FBI is great at the levels that we talk about, but it’s inconceivable. You would think, if you’re in the FBI or Department of Justice, this is the biggest thing you could be looking at. Where are they? I’m not seeing anything! I mean, I just, they just keep moving along, and they go on to the next president. They’ve been there for a long time. People don’t understand this. They’ve been there for a long time. Some of them have served a lot of different presidents. And they have their own views.
All I can say is I haven’t heard, with all of the fraud that’s taken place, nobody has come to me and said, “Oh, the FBI has nabbed the people who are doing this scheme.” The FBI is looking at Dominion – which nobody even knows where they are based – which nobody even knows where the votes are counted. Do you know, the votes in Dominion, they say are counted in foreign countries. Okay? Can you believe this?
Now, Dominion is also based in a number of foreign countries. One of them is Canada. And Canada refuses to use Dominion, and they are based there. They won’t get anywhere near. Texas will not get anywhere near Dominion. I spoke with the attorney general; I spoke with a lot of different people. Texas, you should see the reports Texas wrote on Dominion. They wouldn’t use them. They wouldn’t under any circumstance they wouldn’t use them. So as you have probably heard. But Canada does paper votes. And the only way this is going to be safe is paper votes. Even the mailman. Look, the mailmen are carrying thousands of ballots back and forth, back and forth. There are many mailmen who are in big trouble right now for selling ballots, for getting rid of ballots. This is the craziest thing you’ve ever seen.
[Maria] Well, it seems to me –
[Trump] But many ballots with the name Trump on them were thrown out. You’ve read that. They’ve found ballots in a river, with the name Trump on them from the military. They were signed. And they were floating in a river.
No absentee ballots in the key battleground state of Wisconsin were found in rivers last week, and though local authorities reported some absentee ballots were temporarily lost in a batch of mail found on the side of the road near Appleton, Wisconsin, none of the ballots were from the state, the Wisconsin Elections Commission said on Thursday.
Unanswered questions about what happened to the batch of mail found in eastern Wisconsin are likely to be addressed by an ongoing Postal Service investigation, but the incident has come under intense and perhaps premature scrutiny because of unsubstantiated claims the president made during the first presidential debate on Tuesday, when he said that mail-in ballots were being "dumped in rivers."
"Did you see what's going on?" Trump said onstage. "They are being dumped in rivers. This is a horrible thing for our country."
"There is no evidence of that," responded Democratic nominee Joe Biden.
White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany later made it clear that Trump was talking about the investigation in Wisconsin.
McEnany was repeatedly pressed by a reporter on Thursday to clarify where the "river" that Trump talked about was located, but she declined to answer.
"You're missing the forest through the trees here," she responded to the reporter.
The lost mail in Wisconsin was actually found on the side of a road and in a ditch line in Greenville, Wisconsin, a small town of about 12,000 people outside the city of Appleton. The mail was supposed to be in transit to the post office, according to the Outagamie County Sheriff's office. "Several" absentee ballots were found among three "trays" of mail, according to the sheriff's office.
Outagamie County Sheriff's Office Lt. Ryan Carpenter described each "tray" as about 18-inches high with an estimated few hundred pieces of mail. Officers who reported to the scene didn't count how many absentee ballots were in the mix, Carpenter said.
The U.S. Postal Service, which is in charge of the investigation going forward, declined to comment, but Wisconsin Elections Commission administrator Meagan Wolfe announced on Thursday that she'd been informed by post office officials that no Wisconsin ballots were among the lost mail.
Wolfe said she was not informed what state the ballots were from.
"There was mail found outside of Appleton, and that mail did not contain any Wisconsin ballots, no Wisconsin ballots were part of what was found, no Wisconsin ballots were involved or impacted by the incident," Wolfe said Thursday afternoon.
"But if there were ever an issue with Wisconsin ballot, it's a very intentional, deliberate process with many safeguards in place, where we would be able to identify issues," Wolfe added.
Wisconsin began sending out absentee ballots to voters on Sept. 17. The state is a vital win for either candidate in the path to victory this November.
Greenville town clerk Wendy Helgeson said she hopes USPS investigators can offer clear information to the public sooner rather than later, so as not to undermine the integrity of the process.
"If there's one thing that I would hope that people know about our state is that there's a huge amount of integrity in the job that we do, and people take a lot of pride in it, nobody wants to be in the newspaper," Helgeson said.
Trump's claims about fraud in the mail-in ballot process have grown as the country nears Election Day, which is about a month away, but there is no evidence that voter fraud will increase as mail-in voting becomes a more popular choice due to the pandemic.
Election officials in Democrat and Republican states alike have been clear that they have confidence in their election process, and experts agree that the risk of fraud is very low.
"There is no evidence that widespread or systematic absentee voter fraud is a real phenomenon. There have been scattered instances of both in-person and absentee voter fraud throughout history. But that's something that both Democratic and Republican campaigns have engaged in. And there is just no evidence that it happens on a widespread or systematic basis," said Kate Shaw, law professor at Cardozo Law School and ABC News legal contributor.
And for voters both in Wisconsin and across the country who don't want to rely on the mail to vote this year, there are other ways to safely cast a ballot without increasing the risk of contracting coronavirus. In many states, early voting or absentee in-person voting is an option, which allows voters to cast their ballots in person ahead of Election Day. There are also drop boxes, where voters can drop their absentee ballots off directly with their election clerks instead of sending it through the mail.
In Wisconsin, voters have already started receiving and returning absentee ballots at a rate that far surpasses what was seen in 2016: 1.2 million absentee ballots have been requested as of Oct. 1, per the Wisconsin Elections Commission, which is 16 times more ballots than were requested by this time last year. Already, 395,000 ballots have been returned, which is seven times more than the same time last year.
The deadline to request an absentee ballot in Wisconsin is Oct. 29, but voters should give themselves at least a week before the Nov. 3 deadline to return it by mail. Voters can also submit their ballots to a dropbox, vote absentee in-person with their ballot at a clerk's office beginning on Oct. 20, or vote in person on Election Day.
No matter how Wisconsin voters choose to cast their absentee ballots, they can track their ballots online through the whole process. Each Wisconsin absentee ballot has an intelligent barcode, so its movements can be tracked much like an Amazon package.
-- Trump claimed ballots were 'dumped in a river.' The reality is far from it. No ballots were dumped in a river, nor were any Wisconsin ballots lost, by Cheyenne Haslett, October 1, 2020, 7:06 PM
They found ballots under rocks that had the name Trump on. They were signed with Trump. We won the election easily! There’s no way Joe Biden got 80 million votes! I just said, there’s no way Joe Biden beat Barack Obama in the Black communities of various cities, and then he did very badly compared to Obama in other cities throughout the United States. There’s no way it happened! This election was a fraud! It was a rigged election!
[Maria] THIS IS DISGUSTING! AND WE CANNOT ALLOW AMERICA’S ELECTION TO BE CORRUPTED! WE CANNOT!
So you believe you can prove that the computers can circumvent any controls that are in place? And before we leave the subject of Durham, I FEEL LIKE SOMETHING HAPPENED IN SEPTEMBER. I DON’T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, BUT WE WERE ALL EXPECTING DURHAM TO COME OUT AND A.G. BARR TO BE AGGRESSIVE. He told me back in June that mail-in ballots opened the floodgates of fraud. WHY WASN’T ANYTHING DONE ABOUT IT? WHY WEREN’T THERE SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS TO SHOOT, WHAT WE KNOW NOW, TO BE TRUCKS BACKING UP BALLOTS, FOR EXAMPLE IN MICHIGAN?
On September 10, Nora Dannehy resigned as the deputy to John Durham, the federal prosecutor investigating the government’s probe into the Trump campaign and Russia during the 2016 election. Dannehy left her post and the Justice Department in part because of Attorney General William Barr’s pressure on Durham to release a report on his investigation’s findings before Election Day, according to a person familiar with her thinking. Trump had long been hoping a report out this fall would damage Democrats, including Joe Biden, and help him win reelection. In Trump’s terminology, Durham’s report would reveal an “attempted overthrow” of his administration by Democratic insiders. But Justice Department guidelines restrict prosecutors from taking such actions within 60 days of an election because they might affect the outcome of the election. Both Durham and Dannehy believed that if they complied with Barr’s demands they would be violating this doctrine, according to two people familiar with their thinking.
Durham, who is the U.S. Attorney for Connecticut, and Dannehy were also troubled that Barr had purposely misrepresented their work in numerous public comments, the two people said. According to two sources familiar with the probe, there has been no evidence found, after 18 months of investigation, to support Barr’s claims that Trump was targeted by politically biased Obama officials to prevent his election. (The probe remains ongoing.) In fact, the sources said, the Durham investigation has so far uncovered no evidence of any wrongdoing by Biden or Barack Obama, or that they were even involved with the Russia investigation. There “was no evidence … not even remotely … indicating Obama or Biden did anything wrong,” as one person put it.
Shortly after the resignation of his prized deputy and with the election looming on the horizon, Durham phoned Barr. He forcefully told the attorney general that his office would not be releasing a report or taking any other significant public actions before Election Day, according to a person with knowledge of the phone call. Dannehy’s resignation constituted an implied but unspoken threat to Barr that Durham or others on his team might resign if the attorney general attempted to force the issue, according to a person familiar with Durham’s thinking.
After hearing from Durham in September, Barr informed the president and allies that there would be no October surprise, causing Trump to lash out. “Unless Bill Barr indicts these people for crimes — the greatest political crimes in the history of our country — then we’re going to get little satisfaction unless I win,” he told Fox Business last month. “[These] people should be indicted, this was the greatest political crime in the history of our country. And that includes Obama and it includes Biden.”
The president had been hoping for a repeat of what happened during the 2016 election, when, with just 11 days left, then-FBI director James Comey announced the reopening of the bureau’s Hillary Clinton email investigation. Comey’s decision is widely seen to have hurt Clinton at a crucial moment and helped Trump pull off a come-from-behind victory. For more than a year and a half, Trump believed that Durham’s investigation would confirm the conspiracy theory that the “deep state” — senior officials of the Justice Department, FBI, and intelligence community — had worked to sabotage his presidency with false accusations that he had colluded with Russia. The Justice Department’s inspector general last year reported finding no “evidence that political bias or improper motivation influenced the decisions” of the Russia investigators, and so far, the only charge brought by Durham’s office has been against an ex-FBI lawyer who pleaded guilty to falsifying an email used to obtain a warrant for electronic surveillance on former Trump campaign aide Carter Page.
For his part, Barr was hyping what the Durham investigation would find since at least the spring and suggested it would be bad for Democrats. “There is a difference between an abuse of power and a federal crime. Not every abuse of power, no matter how outrageous, is a federal crime,” Barr told reporters in May. “As to President Obama and Vice-President Biden, whatever their level of involvement, based on the information I have today, I don’t expect Mr. Durham’s work will lead to a criminal investigation of either man. Our concern over potential criminality is focused on others.” One person familiar with the Durham investigation called Barr’s comments a backhanded attempt to insinuate that Obama and Biden had abused their powers. Barr’s ongoing commentary regarding Durham’s investigation appears to have violated Justice Department policy that officials should “not confirm the existence or otherwise comment about ongoing investigations.”
While discussing Durham’s investigation, Barr’s rhetoric also increasingly paralleled Trump’s. In contrast to the president, Barr delivered his comments in a measured and restrained manner, while Trump’s claims have been coarse and hyperbolic. Barr has suggested that the DOJ and FBI’s investigations of the president was “one of the greatest travesties” in American history and a “bogus scandal,” whereas Trump simply called the investigations a “hoax.” Barr has said the “greatest danger to our free system” is when law enforcement and intelligence agencies try to “affect the outcome of an election.” Trump accused them of an attempted “coup” against him. Barr has said that the “completely bogus narrative” caused by the investigations “was largely fanned and hyped by a completely irresponsible press.” Trump blamed the “fake media,” period.
After hearing there would be no October surprise, Trump excoriated Barr, telling Rush Limbaugh: “I think it’s a terrible thing, and I’ll say it to his face.”
-- How Trump and Barr’s October Surprise Went Bust, by Murray Waas, Intelligencer, Nov 2, 2020
In a press conference Thursday, President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, claimed to have evidence of voter fraud in Michigan based on sworn affidavits from four individuals. According to Giuliani, those four affiants reported seeing "thousands and thousands" of Biden ballots in what appeared to be a food truck hauled into the Detroit, Michigan polling center at 4:30 a.m after all Republican inspectors had left the site.
"What they swear to is that at 4:30 in the morning a truck pulled up to the Detroit center where they were counting ballots. The people thought it was food so they all ran to the truck. Wasn't food. It was thousands and thousands of ballots," Giuliani said.
In a ruling on November 13, Judge Timothy Kenny of the Third Judicial Circuit Court of Michigan invalidated the affidavits Giuliani mentioned. The judge ruled that the claims regarding the nature and quantity of the ballots were speculations at best and sinister at worst.
Republican challenger Andrew Sitto implied the "tens of thousands of ballots" he saw cast for former vice president Joe Biden were proof of fraud, but the judge considered those ballots "not surprising."
"It is not surprising that many of the votes being observed by Mr. Sitto were votes cast for Mr. Biden in light of the fact that former Vice President Biden received approximately 220,000 more votes than President Trump," Judge Kenny wrote in his ruling.
Sitto also suggested that the batch of ballots referenced previously were somehow different because they were brought in through the back from vehicles with out-of-state license plates.
State Elections Director Christopher Thomas, who was present at the TCF Center in Detroit where ballots were being counted, refuted the allegations in an affidavit submitted to the judge and cited in the ruling. According to the judge’s ruling, Thomas stated that all ballots delivered to the center were brought in through the back and that Detroit employed out-of-state rental trucks to deliver them.
-- Fact-checking Giuliani’s claims that food trucks hauled fraudulent Biden ballots in Detroit, by CNN's Hyeyoon Alyssa Choi and Tara Subramaniam, 11/20/20
And finally, this question: “Will you appoint a special counsel to investigate and to continue the investigating into what took place in the 2016 election?” You mention Jim Comey and Andrew McCabe not facing accountability. Will you appoint a special counsel?
[Trump] By the way, Comey/McCabe – that’s the least of it. You talk about the Logan Act, they used the Logan Act on General Flynn who I was very proud to pardon, but they wanted to use and they did use the Logal Act on General Flynn. And you know what that started!
Look, this whole thing is a terrible situation. This should never have been allowed to happen. And it’s an embarrassment to our country. All over the world they are talking about it! And yeah, I would consider a special prosecutor, because you know this is not a counsel. It sounds so nice. I went through three years of a special counsel prosecutor, I call it a prosecutor because it’s a much more accurate term. They spend 48 million dollars: Weissman and all Trump haters. They spent 48 million. That was the Muller investigation. They went through taxes; they went through everything. For 48 million, you look at everything. And they found no collusion, no nothing. They found nothing. After friends of mine said, “You must be the cleanest guy in the world.” Because nobody could have gone through an examination like that. And then they announce, “We have no collusion.” There was none. And Marco Rubio said “President Trump with the Senate Judiciary here is absolutely, was totally uninvolved, they had nothing to do with Russia.” It was a Russia Russia Hoax. It was a pure hoax, and a very sad thing for the country.
And as much as I’ve done, and I think I’ve done more than virtually – in four years – more than any president in history, with space force, with tax cuts, the biggest regulation cuts in history, the biggest tax cuts in history, the Vets, the V.A., as much as I’ve done, I could have done except that I was under investigation from the day I came down the escalator with what turned out to be our future First Lady, who is very popular by the way. But when I came down the escalator, from very shortly thereafter, and you know this almost better than anybody else, I was under investigation. Now, at the time, I didn’t know it, but I was. All they do is investigate. And then they send everything they have into New York when I beat them in the Federal. I beat them in Federal. They send everything into New York. “Oh, let them take a crack at it.”
What’s going on in this country is not to be believed. I could say some very strong words where this country has gone over the last ten or 15 years, but it’s not to be believed! And we were changing it. If I got in, or get in, we will very quickly have deals with Iran, but now they’re going to give the ship away. They’ll pay hundreds of billions of dollars to Iran. China didn’t want me in because we were beating China so badly, and now they’re going to – China actually, actually stated – you probably heard it two days ago, “ We want to deal with the United States, but we don’t like America First.” And now the Democrats are saying, “Oh, we won’t use America First.” America First is exactly what it is. America First. We have to take care of ourselves first, and then we can help others. But we have to take care of ourselves first, or we won’t have a country.
But that’s where we are, Maria. It’s a very sad thing. Why isn’t the FBI all over the place? They’re not. They’re not. It’s an incredible thing. They’re not. It’s an embarrassment to our country.
[Maria] Confirm that your cases will reach the Supreme Court in the next two weeks. Confirm that for us, and also, what do you want to say to people, like business people, who, for example Jamie Dimon, the CEO of J.P. Morgan, who said, “It’s time to move on, and unify, and accept the results. Or Stephen Schwarzman who is a supporter of you who said, “Soon we will have to move on.” AND WHAT ABOUT THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THE SUPREME COURT AGREEING WITH YOU? ARE YOU WORRIED THAT WE COULD SEE RIOTS? AND YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO DON’T AGREE WITH YOU, THEY THINK IT’S JUST FINE TO THROW BRICKS THROUGH YOUR WINDOW! AND FORCE SMALL BUSINESSES TO BOARD UP! ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT UNREST AND RIOTING SHOULD THE SUPREME COURT AGREE WITH YOU?
The Secret Service filed charges against a Maryland man after he threatened to kidnap and kill Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris.
A criminal complaint filed by the agency Wednesday said a man identified as James Dale Reed on Oct. 4 approached a house in his hometown of Frederick that had Biden-Harris lawn signs posted and left a handwritten note detailing graphic threats against the candidates and their supporters.
The man was identified after the resident’s video doorbell captured Reed allegedly leaving the note at the home’s doorstep, according to the complaint.
Reed allegedly threatens in the letter to “severely beat” Biden to “the point of death” and shoot Harris in the head with a Glock 17 pistol. The letter also includes a graphic threat of sexual assault against Harris.
The letter says Biden-Harris supporters would also be “targeted.”
“We have a list of homes and addresses by your election signs,” the letter reads, without clarifying who constitutes “we.” “We are the ones with these scary guns, we are the ones your children have nightmares about.”
The Secret Service’s criminal complaint did not detail any steps Reed or anyone else took to fulfill the alleged threat.
The agency said it focused on Reed following an anonymous tip. He first denied writing the threatening letter when he was first interviewed on Oct. 13, but later admitted to authoring it after providing elimination palm prints and a handwriting sample on Oct. 15.
He later told authorities “this will happen,” referring to threatening comments, citing the tense political climate.
Reed is charged with the federal offense of threatening a major candidate, which can be punished by up to five years in prison. He’s also facing state charges of threatening mass violence and voter intimidation.
The Maryland resident had come to the Secret Service’s attention in 2014 after making a threat then against a person under its protection.
The Biden campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment from The Hill.
-- Secret Service charges man with threat to kidnap and kill Biden and Harris, by Tal Axelrod, 10/21/20 02:24 PM EDT
[Trump] So, the people that we have, and the people that are so committed to this, like I’ve never seen. And I think almost they have more spirit now than they did even before the election. All of the people, these are not rioting types, but they are stronger, they are smarter, they are more successful. ANTIFA is bad news. Nobody wants to do anything with ANTIFA except me. If I wasn’t here, ANTIFA would be running this country right now. They’d be running the country. They always like to blame the radical right. It’s not the radical right, it’s the radical left, and it’s largely ANTIFA and groups like this. And nobody wants to even talk about them. Nobody wants to talk about what they’re doing in Portland, and what they’re doing in Chicago, and what they’re doing in New York. And they club people over the heads when nobody’s looking, and then nobody talks about it. It’s a disgrace! It’s absolutely a disgrace! And if I’m not here, I’m sort of your wall. You know, we’re completing the wall like I said I would. Everyone said you’d never be able to do it. That’s another one I got built. And it’s had a huge impact. We’ve had the best numbers we’ve ever had on the southern border. People come in, but they come in legally. But the wall is almost complete. And to be honest, we look and we see all of the different problems, MS13 – we take care of it. We bring thousands of MS13 back to where they came from. We don’t want them here. We bring them back. But ANTIFA is a real problem in this country, and nobody wants to take them on. It’s disgraceful! It’s disgraceful!
[Maria] Which cases specifically will reach the Supreme Court and when?