Report REVEALS What Disney Execs Really Think Of Jimmy Kimmel The Damage Report Sep 18 2025
Disney’s ABC announced Wednesday that it has pulled Jimmy Kimmel Live! off the air “indefinitely” after the late-night host’s Monday remarks about the alleged motives of the man accused of fatally shooting conservative activist Charlie Kirk. John Iadarola breaks it down on The Damage Report. Leave a comment with your thoughts below!
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Jimmy Kimmel hasn't been locked up yet. We are, after all, only about nine months into this regime. But already, he's not even the first comedian that's lost his job for committing again the unforgivable sin of mocking the president, of doing the main thing a late night person is supposed to do. And so all these companies that put out the show, not actually ABC, are putting out these statements. Andrew Alfred's the president of NextStar says uh his comments are offensive and insensitive at a critical time in our national political discourse. It is a critical time in our national political discourse. It is a critical time in no small part because the right is using it to wage culture warfare to try to do their cancel culture and the idea that we I I'll even lump myself in with Jimmy Kimmel and I will remind you by the way both Stephen Kimmel and Jimmy Steven Cobar and Jimmy Kimmel they're not commies they're straight down the middle centrist Democrats or whatever and even they are offending the delicate sensibilities of the right also still allowed to express themselves. It is not offensive to say that the right doesn't really care about the identity of the shooter as long as it's not one of them. That is an objective fact. It is not offensive to mock Donald Trump when what he did was so obviously ridiculous. If you truly care about Charlie Kirk, you should be offended by what Donald Trump said. How could he possibly act like that? And then go to the Yankees game and he's he's dancing and he's having so much fun. That is offensive. Not what Jimmy Kimmel said. And Jimmy Kimmel's not even on your side of the aisle. Why do you care so much about what some guy you don't even watch says? You should care about the guy that you worship, the ground that he walks on. And yet, you have less expectation for your dear leader than you do for a comedian that you don't even watch. In any event, we should remind you as all this is going on that the cover story for this cancellation is that Jimmy Kimmel said a thing and he's being uh fired. That's not what is happening at all. That's the cover story. That's the wrapping paper. But the present is fascism and corruption. It's authoritarianism. That's what's going on. We know that both Disney and NextStar, the two companies most integrally involved in this, including Sinclair, we'll talk about them, uh, have FCC business ahead of them. Disney is seeking regulatory approval for ESPN's acquisition of the NFL Network. Next needs the Trump administration's go-ahead to complete its $6.2 billion purchase of broadcast rival, Tegna. So Disney and NextStar are in a very similar position that Coar's employer was in. All of them have these big business things that they need the okay of the Trump administration for. And they know that the Trump administration is corrupt and petty enough to deny it. And so they're giving into fascism because it's in their financial interest to do so in this particular case. And we know this is not speculation like it normally is. This is not me hypothesizing about what led to this. This is what the sources in the room say happened in the hours leading up to the decision to pull Kimmel. Two sources familiar with the matter say senior executives at ABC, its owner Disney, and affiliates convened emergency meetings to figure out how to minimize the damage. Multiple execs felt that Kimmel had not actually said anything over the line. But the threat of Trump administration retaliation loomed. They were pissing themselves all day. That's a direct quote. And so they did not believe that what he said went beyond the line. They were not getting pressure from their actual viewers to pull him. This was purely, "Oh, dear God, our authoritarian leader might well either reject our bid to purchase this company, might pull our broadcast license, whatever, might pull us into Congress to testify. So, we have to sacrifice Jimmy Kimmel on the altar of the deer leader." And that is what they did. and specifically Bob Iger, CEO of Disney, Dana Walden, the television chief, apparently individually made the call. So if you want to know who you should be mad at, first of all, that list is long. But the CEO of Disney is undoubtedly on that list. He made the call. He decided to bow down. And if you want to look into the history of Disney, maybe this is in keeping, you know, with the uh ideology of the guy who set it up. But in any event, NextStar uh has also recently praised the Trump administration because again, you need to when you have a corrupt authoritarian leader in charge, saying the initiatives being pursued by the Trump administration offer local broadcasters the opportunity to expand reach, level the playing field, and compete more effectively with the big tech and legacy big media companies that have unchecked reach and vast financial resources. Trump is just trying to help the little guy out. Is that what's going on? Do you know what NextStar is trying to do? NextStar uh is trying to acquire uh the ability to do more local TV stations. They want to control 265 local TV stations across 44 states. That would represent about 80% of American households, which is twice the current limit of what is allowed. Local news. They want to control 80% of the market. Yeah. They they need we desperately need more reach. I mean, there's all these titans that are just beating us. Oh, thank God Trump is a champion for the little guy. Yeah. No, this is a massive business decision. And uh we're going to talk about Sinclair. There's some ideology in there, too. But you should be absolutely ped all these companies. And if you want to engage in a boycott of them, I think they are begging for you to boycott them in the same way that people were calling for after Co Bear. And honestly, get ready for the same boycots for Seth Meyers and Jimmy Fallon and John Stewart and John Oliver as well because it is never going to be enough for these pathetic little fascist babies, these little whiners. They will not stop until every single person who dares to do anything other than lick Donald Trump's swollen cankles is taken off of the air. And so if I were those other people, I would start doing some brainstorming about your next steps about whether you're going to set up a podcast or a YouTube show or something like that. Because unfortunately, as long as you work for a major corporation that either does or might soon have business before the Trump administration, they are always going to choose their bottom line over their commitment to supposed values of free speech or free expression or whatever. Sinclair Broadcasting is uh one of the companies that is uh shutting down Jimmy Kimmel, putting pressure on Disney and ABC to never bring him back. And if you're familiar with Sinclair, maybe you've watched John Oliver's episode on it. They're incredibly conservative and don't have much respect historically for freedom of speech. But they are going way beyond that now. Way way beyond that in such an insulting manner that I think this is going to very much back up backfire on them. So, they own 30 ABC affiliates across the United States, and so they joined that other company, NextStar, in saying, "We're not going to broadcast Jimmy Kimmel, uh, for the foreseeable future." Uh, right now, they're planning to air a Charlie Kirk Remembrance special on Friday in Kimmel's usual time slot. And regardless, it said it won't air Jimmy Kimmel again until certain conditions were met. Among other things, those conditions include the demand that Kimmel apologize to the Kirk family, who it should be noted Kimmel did not joke about, and make an unspecified donation to their organizations. And to be clear, in other reporting, it says they demand that Jimmy Kimmel make a significant contribution not only to Turning Point USA, a conservative organization pushing for all sorts of stuff that is directly opposed to Jimmy Kimmel's own values and the values of most people watching this, most reasonable people, I would say. But also, he has to pay that family. He never joked about the family. He never joked about Charlie Kirk. He mocked the MAGA movement. He mocked Donald Trump for pretending to grieve when he clearly can't even keep it up for a couple minutes. They're saying you have to cut a check to the Kirk family. They are going to extort a comedian to individually pay conservatives so that he can be given his job back. Maybe, maybe not even then. God only knows what else. You have to apologize. We want you to gravel comedian. You think you live in a free country. You think you have freedom of speech. No. you dish out millions of dollars to advance political interests that you find to be reprehensible and maybe we'll let you on the air again. But if we ever do let you on the air, let's be very clear, you better keep politics as far as possible away from anything you say. You think if Jimmy Kimmel were to be brought back right now, and that still could be possible, why would he come back? Does anybody think that he would feel free? Does anyone think that he would feel that ABC or Disney would have his back the next time he dares to critique the powerful, the rich, donors, maybe politicians? I mean, how dare he? He's already temporarily gotten fired for being willing to do that. Does anyone think that they wouldn't do it again? Look, Jimmy Kimmel has to think about far more than just himself. Anytime a show like this gets cancelled or something, we often think it's about that person making a decision. Jimmy Kimmel's fired. Let's be clear, it is not just Jimmy Kimmel that's fired. His show has about 200 employees. That is possibly 200 families whose lives have been upended in this right-wing culture war, this cancel culture that we're seeing. And so, look, if he ends up wanting to cut the check or do the apology to save the hundreds of families that rely on his job, then I'm not going to get down on him. I don't I don't want to see it, but I'm not going to get mad at him if he does do it. But these people, I mean, Sinclair, they are just active participants in fascism here. They know exactly what they're doing. They know who it benefits. And this is not going to be the end of it. Not for Jimmy Kimmel, not for any other broadcaster. Everyone with a platform right now needs to stop and think very seriously about the time we're in and which side of history they want to be on. And some of you, maybe all of you, will have to risk your jobs and your livelihood. But I would argue that what is up for grabs, the stakes in all this are so much more significant than just one person's reach, one person's platform. Do not back off. Don't yield, man. In the words of Mike Johnson, don't don't give in either to backing off of criticism, backing off of the terminology. It was fascism before this horrific event. It's fascism right now. Trump is an authoritarian ruler. Trump wants to be a dictator. And I don't care if that hurts his feelings. I don't care if this tiny orange painted foundation caked bruised scrotum's feeling gets hurt over this. We're going to continue to call it like it is. And I hope that Jimmy Kimmel does. I hope that Seth Meyers comes out and sets fire to the Trump administration tonight. I hope John Oliver devotes every second of his program this week to this cancel culture. I hope Jimmy Fallon, well, he's not going to do anything. Let's be very clear about that. Jimmy Fallon ain't gonna swing for the fences on this one. But maybe he'll surprise me. Maybe he'll do a song, a parody song or something. Every one of us needs to decide which side we want to be on. And if you choose wrong, then people should come for them. You should criticize them, boycott them, whatever. Because the stakes are as high as they could possibly be. Hey,
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Backlash Coming As Right-Wing Celebrates Jimmy Kimmel Suspension The Damage Report 1.23M subscribers Sep 18, 2025 The Damage Report President Donald Trump is intensifying his criticism of comedian Jimmy Kimmel’s suspension. John Iadarola breaks it down on The Damage Report. Leave a comment with your thoughts below!
"President Donald Trump is doubling down on comedian Jimmy Kimmel's suspension. Trump, a frequent critic of Kimmel and the entire late-night host lineup, first took to Truth Social late Wednesday, Sept. 18, to deride Kimmel's ratings and throw some shots at Stephen Colbert, Seth Meyers and Jimmy Fallon.
"Great News for America: The ratings challenged Jimmy Kimmel Show is CANCELLED. Congratulations to ABC for finally having the courage to do what had to be done," Trump wrote. "Kimmel has ZERO talent, and worse ratings than even Colbert, if that’s possible. That leaves Jimmy and Seth, two total losers, on Fake News NBC. Their ratings are also horrible. Do it NBC!!! President DJT""
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He has ended all federal censorship of free speech. This has been one of the greatest crises that has plagued this nation. Years and years and years, the federal government violating the First Amendment to take away Americans right of free speech. President Trump has ended that. And he has demanded that all federal workers, all law enforcement cease any effort to intimidate the rights of Americans or to police their speech. Here's here's the problem. It's not just that I disagree with Kla Harris on on policy, on substance. It's that Kla Harris has run this campaign around censorship instead of persuasion. Now, whatever your views are, what whether you disagree or agree with me and President Trump on a particular issue, I'm going to make a solemn promise to you that we're going to fight for the First Amendment, and we're going to fight for your right to speak your mind even and maybe especially when you disagree with us. And I banned all government censorship and restored free speech in America. We have free speech. We didn't have free speech. And you could also throw in the we we finally legalized comedy. Man, the libs didn't want comedy be legalized. We finally did it. So, uh I assume that most of you are savvy enough that you never bought that. Those were always lies. whether on the campaign trail or on grifting podcasts or in tweets, they never meant any of it. We never believed it. Certainly here at the time and it has been proven to be maybe maybe among the most ridiculous lies that they ever told. The idea that they want to protect free speech. They're not interested in protecting free speech. They're interested in protecting their speech. They don't want consequences. And I get it. Most humans are very selfish and they are insanely selfish in this way, but they have no interest in protecting the speech of people they disagree with. And right now, they're all taking a victory lap. They're all so happy that they have finally slain the titan of Jimmy Kimmel. So, Donald Trump, who celebrated when Co Bear was fired just a couple of months ago, now says, "Great news for America. The ratings challenge Jimmy Kimmel show is cancelled. Congratulations to ABC for h for finally having the courage." That's funny that it was courage that made them do it to do what had to be done. Kimmel had zero talent and worse ratings than even coair if that's possible. That leaves Jimmy and Seth two total losers on fake news NBC. Their ratings are also horrible. Do it NBC. And so there's a lot that's ridiculous there. First of all, did Kimmel have talent? I don't know. I think that we can maybe have a little conversation about that. I wasn't like a big viewer of Kimmel for the most part, but you know what he apparently was capable of? He was apparently capable in his commentary, in his satire, in his comedy of enraging the powerful. And I don't know if there is a more important responsibility that a person in his position has. Does he tell the same sort of jokes that I might? Does he focus on the same issues or interview the same people that I would? No, almost certainly not. But he was able to get under the skin of our authoritarian leadership. And that is an important thing. That's why they're if he was just no talent, nobody cares, no ratings, why is Donald Trump tweeting about it yet again? Why is he so happy that this critic of his is gone? If he was so ineffective, not good with words, not funny, couldn't get an audience. Why are you so happy today? Interesting. Weirdly enough, uh Trump is individually uh very hypocritical on this. Back in 2013, Paula Dean lost her show for racism and Trump tweeted about how she needed to be saved. Paulyine made a big mistake in using a forbidden word. You know how forbidden? He's not even gonna put it in the tweet. But anyway, but must be given some credit for admitting her mistake. She will be back. She has to be back. Please. She's the most important person. I mean, she's making biscuits. That's more important than critiquing the powerful. Anyway, uh Brennan Carr himself is the biggest hypocrite in this entire thing. He's previously tweeted things like, "Should the government censor speech it doesn't like?" Of course not. The FCC does not have a roving mandate to police speech in the name of the public interest. That is exactly what he did. Same terminology he used or whatever. Uh, President Biden is right. Political satire is one of the oldest and most important forms of free speech. It challenges those in power while using humor to draw more people into the discussion. That's why people in influential positions have always targeted it for censorship. Oh, those damn people who want to censor the comedians. I would never do that until I'm given the chance and then I will. Uh, free speech is the counterweight. It is democracy's check on government control. That's why censorship is the authoritarian's dream. Now, wait a second. Is Brendan Carr calling Donald Trump and people like him authoritarians? Maybe he should lose his job. That's causing extremism. That's leading to violence, I'm told, recently. And so, here's the thing. Does Brendan Carr care that we're pointing out the hypocrisy? No. None of them do. They are all that they the only value they have is self-interest but by hypocrisy rules for thee not for me. They know that. That's why he's able to go online and like uh send to Brian Stelter. He's like he's doing the office thing cuz ah I said I was against censorship. You can bring it up anytime you want. I was said I was against censorship but like it turned out I actually was and I was able to get him down. Can we bring up the Thank you. Uh, so he's sending that. And by the way, I saw he was responding to literally one of the kids from Glee who pointed out that this was censorship and he posted a Oh, no. The the the kid from Glee uh was saying that this was from Project 2025 and Brandon Carr puts the meme of Jack uh Nicholas like Yeah. Yeah. See, they're happy. They're h because it doesn't matter. I mean, we used the supposed attachment to free speech to protect us and now we could use it to get you. It's all coming up fascist. Ha. But is it actually? Is it really? I mean, I know that they're getting what they want now. There's a couple different ways that I'm not sure they're necessarily going to like this long term. Uh, first of all, if you've now normalize that the FCC can put pressure on companies to take out individual hosts or remove shows, that's now a thing that can be done. And you love it when Trump does it. You'd love it if Vance does it. Would you love it if President AOC did it? Would you love it if President Nuome were to do it? President Buddhajed, President Crockett, would you enjoy that? Because I don't know, you're normalizing the American people to expect this sort of thing. So maybe you'll end up seeing that. But even before that, even if we never get to that point, even if their attempt to control elections and flood the streets with soldiers and make it so we never have a free election again actually works, uh I do want to remind you one thing that you seem to think was very important to your side was we want to be cool again. We want to be edgy. We want to get the young people. All of you goddamn woke scold squares. You don't get it. You're always controlling speech and all that. That's why we got the Roans. That's why we got the young people and everything. And they are so high on the dopamine hit of cancel culture that they're missing that they've set that on fire. any perception that a young person entering into politics might have that the left is sensorious and the right is free speech. Who the hell would think that? Now you're like literally they're looking at this. These are people by the way who would never watch Steven Cobear, would never watch Jimmy Kimmel and they're like dear God you guys are getting them cancelled. You're shutting down comedians. South Park has to delay an episode because they're worried about offending the delicate sensibilities and Fifi of JD Vance and Donald Trump. So, forget about the Next Generation. The idea that you guys are cool and edgy or whatever. I get that you still have some Rumble shows where they traffic and anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. And I guess that's edgy for some young people, but the idea that you represent free speech, that is way in your rearview mirror now, and I don't think you're ever getting it back. And uh I just wanted to point out two more things before we move on. And I know we're going on for a long time, but this is the story of the day. That's just how it works out. Uh EW Neermmeer uh tweeted this, or I think it was on Blue Sky says, "If Jimmy Kimmel's political humor is too hot for you to handle, I'm not sure snowflake even cuts it as a term of derision for the level of fragility you've achieved." No. No. A a snowflake can keep itself together a little bit. These guys are they're as sensitive as like a freshly bruised scrotum. It's like, "Don't come near me. I can't take it. I can't take Jimmy Kimmel's comedy. That's who these people are. They are a bruised blue and purple scrotum. And they need to be handled so delicately. They're not made for the real world. They can't exist out there. Cover them up. Boxers, a cup, I don't know, something made of metal. Don't tap them. They could get hurt. And by the way, I also like the the effort of all these people to like to claim that they were victims or whatever. Roseanne Bar popped up once again to say, "Yeah, imagine an administration putting pressure on a television channel to fire a comedian they didn't like." And I saw that I thought, "Oh wait, oh wait, did Oh my god. Did Biden do that? It was a while ago that Roseanne got cancelled." No. No. Trump was in office when that happened. Does she not know? Is she on so much ambient that she doesn't even know that she was cancelled while Republicans controlled the White House? Man, these people want to put everything on of Biden. Well, it's Rosanne Bar. She might want to put it on Obama for reasons that should be abundantly clear. But anyway, yeah. No, they're all utterly pathetic. [Music]
If We Do Not Have The Ability To Criticize Our Leaders, We Are No Longer The U.S.A. - Jake Tapper The Late Show with Stephen Colbert Sep 19, 2025 #Colbert #Comedy #JakeTapper
Best-selling author and CNN Chief White House Correspondent Jake Tapper joins Stephen to discuss the Trump administration’s role in Disney’s decision to take “Jimmy Kimmel Live” off the air. Stick around for more with Jake Tapper and check out his book, “Race Against Terror,” available October 7th.
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>> Stephen: WELCOME BACK, EVERYBODY. IT SMELLS LIKE CHEAP COLOGNE OVER HERE. WELCOME BACK. WELCOME BACK, MY FRIENDS. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MY FIRST GUEST TONIGHT IS A NEW YORK TIMES BEST-SELLING AUTHOR, CNN CHIEF WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT, AND ANCHOR OF "THE LEAD WITH JAKE TAPPER." PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO "THE LATE SHOW," JAKE TAPPER! [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE] ♪ ♪ HI. ♪ ♪ HI. >> Jake: HELLO. >> Stephen: NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN. TO BE TWO THINGS ARE GREAT. >> Stephen: YEAH, EVERYTHING IS GREAT. WE HAVE KNOWN EACH OTHER FOR A LONG TIME FOR YOUR POLITICAL REPORTER. >> Jake: 21 YEARS. >> Stephen: 21 YEARS. WHO'S COUNTING? I WOULD IMAGINE YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE FIRST AMENDMENT. >> Jake: IT'S MY FAVORITE. >> Stephen: HOW MUCH OF WHAT WE ARE SEEING, OF WHAT WENT DOWN YESTERDAY WITH KIMMEL AND ABC AND BRENDAN CARR, HOW MUCH OF THAT IS A FIRST AMENDMENT ISSUE VERSUS THE MISUSE OF EXECUTIVE POWER BY THE PRESIDENCY? TECHNICALLY THE FIRST AMENDMENT IS CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW. BUT THIS IS THE -- THIS ISN'T CONGRESS. THE PRESIDENT PULLED A FEW LEVERS AND POPPED HIM OUT OF THERE LIKE A STUCK CLAM. >> Jake: LIKE WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU, WE THINK WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. BUT IT WAS ALL BEHIND CLOSE DOORS. >> Stephen: THE NETWORK HAD A RATIONALE. THE SHOWS HAD RUN THEIR COURSE. >> Jake: THE TIMING WAS, AS THE KIDS SAY, SUS. >> Stephen: WOW. WHO IS KING? >> Jake: VERY HIP. PUT THAT ON YOUR TIKTOK. >> Stephen: 6-7. >> Jake: THAT'S VERY NICE. WHAT HAPPENED WITH BRENDAN CARR, AS YOU KNOW, THE FCC CHAIRMAN, GOING ON A RIGHT-WING PODCAST AND SAYING DISNEY NEEDS TO CHANGE ITS BEHAVIOR. DISNEY OBVIOUSLY OWNS ABC. AND ALL THOSE LOCAL TV NETWORKS, YOU NEED TO SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO CARRY THIS QUOTE, UNQUOTE, GARBAGE ANYMORE. THAT WAS IT 1:01 P.M. THAT WAS AT 1:01 P.M. YESTERDAY AND BY 5:00, NEXT ARE AS YOU NOTED EARLIER, THE BIGGEST OWNER OF LOCAL TV NEWS STATIONS THAT NEEDS BRENDAN CARR TO GIVE A SEAL OF APPROVAL. SO THEY CAN BREAK A RULE, AND FCC RULE SAYING THEY CAN'T OWN -- BUT NOBODY CAN OWN MORE THAN ENOUGH TV STATIONS TO REACH 39% OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THAT'S THE RUE RIGHT NOW. AND FOR THEM TO BUY THIS COMPETITOR THEY NEED BRENDAN CARR TO BE LIKE NO, WE'LL GET RID OF THAT RULE. BRENDAN CARR SIGNAL HE WANTS LOCAL MEDIA TO STOP CARRYING THIS SPEECH AT THIS SPEAKER THAT TRUMP DOESN'T APPROVE OF. GOT IT. GOT THE MESSAGE AND RESELL IT HAPPEN. THIS IS A DIRECT VIOLATION OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT BECAUSE IT IS THE GOVERNMENT TELLING COMPANIES WHAT TO DO WITH THE IMPLICIT THREAT OF "HE SAID WE CAN DO THIS THE EASY WAY OR WE CAN DO THIS THE HARD WAY. AND THEY CHOSE THE EASY WAY. >> Stephen: WELCOME OF THE FCC, IS IT SUPPOSED TO BE AN INDEPENDENT INSTITUTION? >> Jake: INDEPENDENT AGENCY, QUOTE, UNQUOTE. >> Stephen: YOU COULD TAKE THE QUOTES OFF I SUPPOSE NOW. THROW THEM IN THE GARBAGE. THROUGH THE WORDS IN THE GARBAGE TOO. >> Jake: FTC, FEC, THEY ARE ALL SEMI-INDEPENDENT AGENCIES. >> Stephen: HAS IT BEEN POLITICIZED BEFORE THIS? >> Jake: NOT TO THIS DEGREE. I'VE NEVER SEEN AN FTC CHAIRMAN CALL FOR A DIRECT ACTION BY LOCAL AFFILIATES TO DO SOMETHING TO REMOVE A SPEAKER AND SPEECH THAT THEY DON'T LIKE. IT'S CHILLING AND IT'S ACTUALLY THE EXACT OPPOSITE -- THESE WERE SUPPOSEDLY GOING TO BE THE FREE-SPEECH CHAMPIONS. >> Stephen: THAT WAS PART OF THE CAMPAIGN. THEY WERE TIRED OF BEING CENSORED. FREE-SPEECH ABSOLUTISTS. >> Jake: I WILL ALSO SIGN AN EXECUTIVE ORDER TO IMMEDIATELY STOP ALL GOVERNMENT CENSORSHIP AND BRING BACK FREE SPEECH TO NEVER AGAIN WILL THE IMMENSE POWER OF THE STATE THE WEAPONIZED TO PERSECUTE POLITICAL OPPONENTS. DONALD TRUMP. JANUARY OF THIS YEAR. [BOOING] AND GUESS WHO THIS IS. "UNDER DONALD TRUMP'S LEADERSHIP WE MAY DISAGREE WITH YOUR VIEWS BUT WE WILL FIGHT TO DEFEND YOUR RIGHT TO OFFER IT IN THE PUBLIC SQUARE." GUESS WHO THAT IS. >> Stephen: IS THAT BRENDAN CARR? >> Jake: THAT IS J.D. VANCE, OUR VICE PRESIDENT. >> Stephen: OKAY. ARE YOU SAYING THAT J.D. VANCE SOMETIMES SAYS ONE THING AND DOES THE OTHER? YOU SOUND LIKE A GUY WHO DOESN'T WANT A TV SHOW ANYMORE. >> Jake: IF WE DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO CRITICIZE, MOCK, INVESTIGATE OUR LEADERS, THEN WE ARE NO LONGER THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. [APPLAUSE] YOU REFERENCED GEORGE WA GEORGE WASHINGTON -- BY THE WAY, IT WAS GREAT TO SEE THAT GUY, STEPHEN COLBERT. >> Stephen: IT SMELLS LIKE CHEAP COLOGNE OVER HERE NOW. >> Jake: I MISS THAT MUSK. GEORGE WASHINGTON, MY PERSONAL FAVORITE FOUNDING FATHER IS A GUY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF, BENJAMIN FRANKLIN'S GRANDSON, HA NEWSPAPER. HE RIPPED INTO GEORGE WASHINGTON. HE COVERED THE FACT THAT WASHINGTON HAD. GEORGE WASHINGTON DOESN'T EVEN DRAW SALARY. HE TREATS THE TREASURY AS IF IT'S HIS OWN BANK ACCOUNT. IT'S IN THE LIFEBLOOD OF THIS COUNTRY. HE DID THE SAME TO JOHN ADAMS. JOHN ADAMS PASSED THE ALIEN AND SEDITION ACT. THROUGH HIM IN PRISON. THAT IS WHERE WE ARE. AND THA IT EXPIRED AND SINCE THEN PRESIDENTS WHO HAD AN UNEASY RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PRESS BUT I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS. >> Stephen: WE HAVE TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH MORE JAKE TAPPER, EVERYBODY. STICK AROUND.
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Brendan Carr’s Threat To ABC Seemed Like Something Out Of “Goodfellas” - David Remnick The Late Show with Stephen Colbert Sep 19, 2025 #Colbert #Comedy #DavidRemnick
Pulitzer Prize-winning author and “The New Yorker” editor David Remnick reacts to the words of FCC chairman Brendan Carr, who said “we can do this the easy way or the hard way” in comments aimed at ABC regarding Jimmy Kimmel. His documentary, “The New Yorker at 100,” will premiere on Netflix on December 5th.
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>> Stephen: WELCOME BACK, EVERYBODY. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MY NEXT GUEST IS A PULITZER PRIZE-WINNING EXPERT ON RUSSIA AND THE EDITOR OF "THE NEW YORKER" MAGAZINE. PLEASE WELCOME TO "THE LATE SHOW," DAVID REMNICK! [APPLAUSE] GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. >> David: GREAT TO SEE YOU. >> Stephen: "THE NEW YORKER" HAS BEEN CALLED THE GREATEST MAGAZINE OF ALL TIME PERIODS TO DO IT YOU ARE A NEW YORKER WRITER NOW. >> Stephen: I AM. SIGNIFICANT ONLINE PRESENCE. MAJOR MEDIA FIGURE. YOUR FAMILIAR WITH HOW FREE-SPEECH CAN BE STIFLED. IT WAS YOUR REACTION WHEN YOU HEARD THAT BASED UPON WHAT JIMMY HAD SAID ON MONDAY NIGHT AND WHAT BRENDAN CARR SAID YESTE YESTERDAY, TO HEAR THAT JIMMY HAD BEEN PULLED OFF THE AIR. >> David: THE BRENDAN CARR LINE SEEMED LIKE SOMETHING OUT OF ""GOODFELLAS"." REALLY OMINOUS. WE CAN DO THINGS THE HARD WAY OR THE EASY WAY. I HAVE TO TELL YOU FROM MY PARTICULAR EXPERIENCE I AM NO LONGER A KID REPORTER BUT WHEN I WAS, I WAS LIVING IN MOSCOW IN MY LATE 20s AND MY EARLY 30s. THINGS WERE GETTING BETTER AND BETTER IN THE WORLD IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS, NOT LEAST IN THE SOVIET UNION. FREE SPEECH WAS ARRIVING FOR THE FIRST TIME. AFTER A THOUSAND YEARS OF CZARIST AND DECADES OF THE COMMUNIST PARTY IN THE BOLSHEVIKS, MIKHAIL GORBACHEV DECIDED TO MODERNIZE THE COUNTRY AND IN ORDER TO MODERNIZE THE COUNTRY AND BREATHE NEW AIR INTO IT, WHAT WAS THE FIRST THING HE DID WAS BEGIN WITH SOMETHING CALLED GLASNOST, FREE EXPRE EXPRESSION. HE STARTED TO SEE NEWSPAPER ARTICLES ABOUT THE INVASION OF AFGHANISTAN. ABOUT ALCOHOLISM AND SOCIETY. CORRUPTION IN GOVERNMENT. THIS WAS INCREDIBLY MEANINGFUL AND VALUABLE IN WHAT SEEMED TO BE THE BEGINNING OF MODERNIZATION FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THE SOVIET UNION. IT WAS EXHILARATING. PEOPLE TOOK TO THIS LIKE FISH TAKE TO THE SEA. IT WAS OXYGEN. 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As the mysteries continue to pile up about the Charlie Kirk shooting, Max Blumenthal just dropped a BOMBSHELL that raises serious questions about his relationship with Israel. Netanyahu's rage is overflowing, and analysts Patrick Henningsen and Alex Krainer give their take on why this is a game changer in geopolitics.
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The reports are from journalist Max Blumenthal that there could be a lot more to the Charlie Kirk story than What Meets The Eye. There has been someone brought into custody, Tyler Robinson, 22 years old. But everyone across social media has big questions about this, especially when Max Blumenthal and his wife Anya Parampil broke this story that Charlie Kirk refused a funding offer from Netanyahu in the weeks leading up to his murder, that he was frightened of pro-Israel forces, and that a source very close to him said that he was receiving intense private backlash, especially after a Turning Point USA event where he hosted a critic of Israel, Dave Smith comedian, to debate a pro-Israel advocate. They believe the source that Netanyahu is trying to cow him into silence as he began to publicly question Israel's overwhelming influence in Washington. Is there any basis to this historically? What is your understanding for this Charlie Kirk story?
[Patrick Henningsen] Danny, I think it's important to separate two things. One of them is the forensic case, which is the shooting itself. And a lot of people are calling it an assassination. Charlie Kirk did not hold any public office. So it's a murder, it's a killing, it's a shooting, I wouldn't call it an assassination.
But there's the forensic case, and this is very confusing. It's quite frankly a mess. There were suspects rolled out. The zone was flooded with a lot of information chaos, due to the media coverage being so poor and over-speculative, the political let's say polarizing narratives that have really politicized this incident. And Charlie Kirk was no stranger to controversy and divisiveness and polarity in the country, just generally is in that state right now in America.
So that's one thing. And they do have a a suspect in custody, but to date there's a lot of information missing. There's no proof yet that we can see that connects the suspect in custody to the gunman, or who is pulling the trigger as it were. There's also the ballistic match for the gun and the bullet that would have killed Charlie Kirk that has not made public either.
So until some of these facts are solidified, or not, I believe the suspect has pleading not guilty. That's the initial indication we have.
So we're not going to get many answers there. But within that paradigm of the the forensic case, and the shooting itself, to me, right now, the important question is, was this a professional hit? Was this a professional hit? Or or was it just some unhinged, as the media and the right-wing press are trying to categorize, as some unhinged left-wing progressive ideologue, pro-trans, etc., etc. I tend to ignore all of this noise because there's a lot of disinformation coming out along those lines, including what was inscribed on bullets in the bullet casings, and so forth. A lot of this stuff, some of it has been walked back. Some of it is still floating out there. Again, too early.
But is it a professional hit? Because if this is a professional hit, that changes the way you should be looking at this generally. Then it becomes a high stakes game of politics, maybe even a high stakes game of geopolitics.
So that's the important question. Was this a professional hit? And to me it has all the indications of a professional hit. And so that means, who does professional hits? Well, we can short list that, because a lot of times this would be state actors. Okay. Which state actor currently in the international system has engaged in the most amount of political assassinations in let's say the last 5 years, 10 years or 20? There's only two countries that might fall into that category. One, that is absolutely provable, which is the state of Israel. The second being the United States. And there's a few other states we could put into that category. But Israel is quite open about its political assassinations. Especially in the last couple of years. So that's something to consider, especially in light of what Max Blumenthal and Anya Parampil, which you've kindly put on screen there beforehand.
Then there's the circumstantial case. Now this is about politics. This is what we can comment on for certain. We can talk about the circumstantial case, the circumstantial evidence, the inference that Charlie Kirk, definitely a committed Zionist from the get-go, but he was wavering on the Israeli issue, especially in the last six or eight weeks. Why is that? You saw a number of people break ranks within MAGA. Tucker Carlson, Megan Kelly, Charlie Kirk, asking questions, maybe approaching the Israel issue a little more objectively. And that will certainly raise a lot of eyebrows. Why? Because if you look at the donor class that have been pumping money into Turning Point USA, we're talking about Charlie Kirk not being just some obscure podcaster. This is a organization with revenues of upwards of a hundred million dollars in 2024. I don't know about 2025. They haven't filed yet as a not-for-profit, but Turning Point USA is a massive political action committee under the guise of a not-for-profit with a media arm, with an events arm. And they're a force in US politics. But they're only a force because of the billionaire donor class, and the multi-millionaire donor class, that have has pumped money into that organization since its founding in 2012. So I'm just giving you a real politic assessment here, okay.
Charlie Kirk's views over the last few years most likely are a reflection of the views of the donor class that have financed Turning Point, and made it the political powerhouse that it is. Okay? It's not a grassroots organization. It's backed by the richest people in the United States of America, oligarchs.And many of these oligarchs, and the family foundations that they run, that put money into Turning Point, are also committed Zionists. And a few of these foundations are exclusively financing Jewish interests, or Jewish causes. So that's that's something.
Now, when you have an organization like this, and you're taking billions of dollars, and putting aside the Netanyahu allegations of him wanting to finance Turning Point in the latter days of this situation, you start pivoting away from this issue, or you start wavering on this issue. That's a serious thing, because that money comes with expectations, not necessarily with strings, but with with some heavy expectations. You're talking about a high stakes game here. And if you think of Turning Point being the most influential conservative/libertarian/Christian conservative organization targeting 18 to 35 year olds that's the future electorate. So that's where the US will go on the issue of Israel, will go generally in the direction that Turning Point USA is steering it. So if you're in the Israeli lobby, and you're looking at this situation, and they're turning away from Israel, even veering a little bit like MAGA is, this is a major existential threat to the lobby, and to the state of Israel.
Okay. Now how this would play out in terms of the physical world is anybody's guess, and can only speculate, as Max has laid out a circumstantial case here, to basically raise the question, "Is there more behind the scenes going on here regarding Israeli power politics, and Charlie Kirk, and Turning Point, and the Trump administration?
Now where did the Trump administration start to break on Israel? One, is there just a ground swell of public pressure that's now appearing as a result of this ungodly genocide being carried out by the Israelis, with US support, with the support of Donald Trump? The unconditional support, that's fractured MAGA.And what I think is the key mechanism in this discussion is the cover up of the Epstein issue.Most people who have basically bolted from MAGA in the last 2 or 3 months has been because of that specific issue.
So you have a crisis right now in the Trump administration. He doesn't have the commanding, all-seeing mandate that he had over his base when he came into office at the end of January. It's very different now. And so when you add Charlie Kirk and Turning Point to that equation, I can see this is a cause for concern for a lot of people, not just now, but for the future of young America, conservative support for Israel. And Charlie Kirk's a committed Christian. And so there's already a break with the Catholic conservatives on this issue. That's separate from the Protestant evangelicals, okay? So certain individuals we've just mentioned, are very prominent in the Catholic conservative conversation, including Candace Owens, who is very close friend of Charlie Kirk for over a decade. So there's a lot to discuss here Danny, and a lot to look at, and a lot of questions are rightly, I think, being raised along these lines. I think it's a legitimate line of inquiry.
[Danny Haiphong] This July, as the Greyzone piece outlines, there was this TPUSA student action summit, a huge gathering that had people like Tucker Carlson, and Megan Kelly, where many of them denounced Israel's assault on Gaza, its genocide on Gaza. And they talked about Jeffrey Epstein as an Israeli intelligence asset. And according to this source, Charlie Kirk, and he confirms this actually in an interview with Megan Kelly, he said he was receiving lots of harassment for this from what he called "stakeholders."
What are your thoughts about about this Alex, given what you've been following regarding this situation, and where it fits into the broader world situation?
[Alex Krainer] I kind of parted ways with Charlie Kirk, probably close to the beginning of the genocide in Gaza. So I haven't followed him closely because I saw him as an apologist for Israel, when there shouldn't have been an apology. So I haven't followed Charlie Kirk very much. But, you know, this is exactly where, maybe from the point of view of the Israel lobby, the danger lies, because if you were a true believer, if you were a committed supporter of Israel, then that's the certain type of crowd that you drew around yourself, who look to you as a leader, and a role model. So if you start to lose faith, you start to become very dangerous, because then, all of those people who were taking the queue from you, who are following you like a herd, are going to start lose faith again.
And Israel has been exactly losing the young cohort in the United States. We know from Alex Karp, the the CEO of Palantir, who said that, "If we lose this intellectual debate, there's nothing left we can do. We will not be able to mobilize any army to anywhere in the world."
So we know that this is a hugely important issue to them. So Charlie Kirk losing faith, was probably seen as a threat, and perhaps somebody decided to nip it all in the bud. Was it the Israelis? I think there are enough people in the United States who will do Israel's bidding, even if it comes to assassinating other leaders. So it'll be very difficult to know who actually orchestrated the killing.
I've seen some videos today where people went over the footage that was available from different angles, and they make it look like the shot came from the crowd, from Charlie Kirk's right hand side. And the men who are standing directly behind him seem to have been, or could have been part of the plot, because they make some strange movement that appear to be giving signals.
And so the guy they have in custody now is probably a patsy, but he could be a convenient patsy, because then everything could be swept under the carpet as, you know, a lone LGBT trans disgruntled gunman who was mentally unstable. And that's the end of the story. But I think that the Israeli angle is very much worth exploring.
There was so much firestorm over this, Patrick, that Benjamin Netanyahu had to answer this question himself in an interview following the murder of Charlie Kirk.
[Benjamin Netanyahu] They have no limits. When you hate Jews, when you hate the Jewish state, you are willing to say anything, and promote all these absurd theories. By the way, they're willing to kill it all the time. I mean, that's what they're doing. You know, over the centuries when Jews, especially in the Middle Ages, the horrific Middle Ages, the worst things were said about Jews, you can possibly believe. We were poisoning the wells. We were drinking the blood of Christians. You name it. I mean, these things that can be the Holocaust.
There is a lot of circumstantial evidence pointing to Israel's reasonable suspicions of people, given its history. What's your reaction to Netanyahu's response?
[Patrick Henningsen] I think his completely over-the-top response, and a little bit too-quick-off-the-draw statements, from his office, it's almost like he was trying a little bit too hard. And the argument he's making there, and he's done this in another statement as well, is merging the radical left with radical Islam. And somehow that's responsible for the killing of Charlie Kirk. So he's completely projecting a specific narrative on top of this situation, without any evidence. And so it's obviously irresponsible for a head of state, but we are also talking about a wanted war criminal who's been indicted by the ICC etc., we have to make this caveat, I think, much to the chagrin of Fox News viewers, and Israeli loyalists. But it's a fact.
So he's trying a little bit too hard, a little bit too much, and his statements are trying to manipulate the situation, and create some kind of political capital out of it.
And I see other people who are Israeli allies doing exactly the same thing, trying to jinn up a civil war type vibe in the United States. And other high-profile media commentators, including quote "alternative" media commentators, basically declaring war, and using the term, "We're at war now with the radical left." Elon Musk, the richest man in the world, went on a video call at the Tommy Robinson rally, or whatever it was, Day of Rage, Day of Freedom, whatever they called it in London, and basically insinuated that the Left killed Charlie Kirk, and the Left is the party of murder. Those are the words Musk used, which let's just be honest, that's a little bit irresponsible for somebody of his status to make that statement, basically branding half the United States as murderers.
So there's an agenda here. And I I do wonder whether those are his thoughts and his words, or if he's being fed those words and thoughts by the people who are in charge, because he's definitely changed his tune.
I'll mention something else which I had on my podcast on Sunday, is that both Elon Musk and Charlie Kirk were dabbling in a certain area of discussion before October 7th, when Elon Musk started this hashtag campaign called "Ban the ADL." He was upset, having just purchased Twitter, that the ADL was pressuring his advertisers because of quote "anti-semitism" on the platform. So Elon Musk hit out against the cancellation machine of the ADL. And he was also dabbling, as Charlie Kirk was at the time, in saying that Jewish money is promoting cultural Marxism in America. There's plenty of clips. It's all online. You can search it on X. Cultural Marxism and open borders. So Elon dabbled in this talking point, and so did Charlie Kirk.
Elon Musk then got collared by Ben Shapiro and Rabbi Shmuley, and dragged to Auschwitz to do a struggle session on camera, afterwhich he was dragged to Israel for the October 7th kabutz propaganda tour led by Netanyahu himself. After that, he's completely changed his position, and he doesn't mention October 7th. He doesn't mention Gaza. It's the most important geopolitical flash point on the planet, arguably, and Musk, since that time, does not comment on it. He did before. He had an opinion before. So one can only conclude that he is being pressured, or handled, by forces of nature that may even be above his own pay grade if that's possible.
So we're being realistic. And I believe that secured his position in the Trump administration. His line on that issue, or lack of commentary publicly on the issue, guaranteed him a chance to do the Doge pantomime, which is no longer happening. And he's out of government now, yet he still maintains his quiet silence on the issue, and is backing Tommy Robinson's race-baiting, white supremacist narratives, trolling the South African government, claiming there's a white genocide in South Africa, and embarrassing the Trump administration on the global stage. That's what Musk is up to.
So is this normal? What are we looking at here? This is not normal politics. There's a lot going on here, and I think there's external forces at play here, and certainly the Israeli lobby, the Israeli government, and all of its assets have been mobilized in order to somehow legitimize their position in the international community, and as an ally of the Trump administration, so that they can continue doing what they're doing right now, which is exterminating the native Palestinian population in Gaza, and full-on ethnic cleansing them openly right now, without any push back from the US government, the British government, the French government, or the European Union, and no push back, except a little bit, from the US media.
So in that environment, if we inject this Charlie Kirk story here, this is a high stakes game of power politics that's being played out.
Charlie Kirk is just a political tool. He was used as a political tool by the billionaire class for Turning Point USA, and after he's dead, he's still being used by the same forces as a political tool. That's the important point that people need to understand. There's big money, and big, big, powerful interests at play here. It's not just one man and his opinions. It's much bigger than that.
You know, Netanyahu was tweeting a lot in the first 24 hours postmurder of Charlie Kirk. He posted four times. I think one of them was deleted. And I want to pull up what Patrick was referring to, his comments regarding who's to blame. Netanyahu was very defensive, and said Kirk was a defender of this common Judeo-Christian civilization. He said, "People on the extremes, Islamists, radical Islamists, and their union with ultra-progressives, often speak about human rights, free speech, but they use violence to take down their enemies," insinuating that it was these forces that did it.
[Alex Krainer] Violence to take down enemies!? Who would do that?
You know, one thing that's interesting about Netanyahu's response, and all these comments is that he's already reaching for the victimhood card. "Everybody hates us." So everybody's reaching for these completely unreasonable conspiracy theories like, "They hate us. That's all there is to it."
Our war on terror begins with al Qaeda, but it does not end there. It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated. (Applause.)
Americans are asking, why do they hate us? They hate what we see right here in this chamber -- a democratically elected government. Their leaders are self-appointed. They hate our freedoms -- our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other.
They want to overthrow existing governments in many Muslim countries, such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan. They want to drive Israel out of the Middle East. They want to drive Christians and Jews out of vast regions of Asia and Africa.
These terrorists kill not merely to end lives, but to disrupt and end a way of life. With every atrocity, they hope that America grows fearful, retreating from the world and forsaking our friends. They stand against us, because we stand in their way.
I mean, I am incredibly angered that word-of-mouth, unverified reports of, quote-unquote, “rape and decapitation,” which obviously draw on Islamophobic tropes, have garnered more and more political and global outrage than those very images, than a video of a nurse announcing and screaming in distress that her husband has been killed in an Israeli airstrike. And, you know, the PR strategy of the Israeli regime throughout all of this has been to invoke those Islamophobic sentiments, like calling it Israel’s — quote-unquote, “Israel’s 9/11.” And media outlets and journalists who have taken on this framing without any questioning not only work to equate the violence of a besieged, politically isolated group like Hamas with the violence of al-Qaeda and ISIS and so on, but they are also doing the dirty work for Israelis. They are preemptively justifying the genocide of hundreds and thousands of Palestinians. They are justifying a brutal onslaught that is about to come globally. And that should be alarming.-- Mohammed El-Kurd: How Much Palestinian Blood Will It Take to End Israel’s Occupation & Apartheid?, by Amy Goodman, DemocracyNow!, October 10, 2023
"This is our 9/11.” -- Michael Herzog, Israeli ambassador to the United States "In a way, this is our 9/11" -- IDF International Spokesperson Lt. Col. Richard Hecht, 10/8/23
But secondly, notice that he's not denying it. At no point did he say, "No, we are not behind Charlie Kirk's assassination. That's not us. It wasn't us. We didn't do it. We have nothing to do with it." He never said such a thing. He could have, but he didn't.And I don't know what's the deal with that, because I've never seen Benjamin Netanyahu shrink from lying. But for some reason, some of these big things, they have to own them. There's this thing with the disclosure, you know, you can't deny it. You can't violate the truth past some point.
So what did he do instead of lying? He deflects, and reaches for the victimhood card. But it has nothing to do with hatred. Anyone who is investigating this crime would ask, "Who has the means, who has the motive, and who had the opportunity?" And Israel comes up as a suspect. And so it's completely legitimate for people to discuss this.
So I'm asking for everyone to just release Charlie in his own words. I feel like that's pretty fair, right? Let's stop saying how Charlie felt, and instead, if you're going to hold up the letter, release it in its entirety, okay? Why don't you release your messages, Bill and I'll release mine. Let's all just be very forthcoming about what took place.
In fact, I'm calling upon Tucker Carlson to speak about that. I know Charlie said to him, and I am sure Tucker Carlson won't lie about it. What did Charlie say to you? What was Charlie? Did he seem like he was treading in Israel's direction? Do you feel that BB is being honest, giving an accurate representation of what Charlie was going through? This is what I want.
I think that the thing we need here, sunlight, is the best disinfectant.
Now, does all of this somehow prove that Israel was involved in the assassination of Charlie Kirk? No, we have no evidence of that. We can't say that because there is no evidence of that.
But I don't like little lies. That's what I will say. Something that I always say in my household is when there is one lie, there's 20. There's no reason to lie. BB could have gone on Fox News, and he could have told the truth. He could have said truthfully that Charlie Kirk has always loved Israel. He has always loved Israel as the Holy Land. He's been there many times, and throughout his career he has been a faithful supporter of Israel.
But that's not what he said, okay? He talked about the phone call, and didn't give it the proper context. He held up the letter, and didn't give it the proper context. And lies by severe omission, I'd like to be very clear, are lies. Lies by severe omission are lies. You're not going to gaslight us and tell us to shut up, or call us anti-Semitic for pointing out the fact that Charlie was having a change of heart about the tactics that Israel was using in America, and that he felt, when he left that meeting, that he had effectively been blackmailed. Again, my platform is yours, Seth Dylan. My platform is yours, Bill Ackman. So, if you want to clarify it, we can do it in front of millions, okay?
And I think that that's what people deserve, because everyone has PTSD. We watched Charlie get shot in the throat. That feels a little bit symbolic. It feels like they wanted us to know that his voice was problematic. Again, I don't know who "they" is.
After we take this brief break, we're going to go through the investigation, which seems to have a lot of inconsistencies and and holes in it. And we're definitely not yet at the bottom of what in fact took place. But I do know that I severely distrust people who rush to misrepresent things. And it's not a good sign when somebody has to ask you, as Greta Van Susteren asked BB Netanyahu regarding Charlie Kirk's assassination. It's not a good sign if somebody has to ask if you had anything to do with the assassination. Doesn't make you a great person, okay? And that's what she asked him.
If it’s good enough for college students, it’s good enough for the FBI
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What do you think will happen if I run this through chat GBT, "do you think my government's lying to me?"
"Short answer, maybe."
The FBI claims they have text messages of Tyler Robinson, the alleged shooter of Charlie Kirk, talking to his roommate, who is also his trans partner. You can't make this stuff up, because they did.
They released these text messages, and I don't know if you saw them, but they are not real.
Okay, no human being looks at this text conversation and is like, "Yeah, two people had this conversation." Tyler and his roommate are GenZ, okay? GenZ does not talk in complete sentences. That is your first red flag.
I'm just going to read them to you right now so we can have some laughs. Let me go to CNN for accuracy.
Here's the full record of a series of text messages exchanged with the alleged gunman on the day of the shooting, which the roommate provided to the investigators.
So, the roommate was like, "Here, you can have these very private tweets."
Robinson says,
"Drop what you are doing."
Yeah, like those full words.
"Drop what you are doing. Comma."
GenZ does not use commas. Everybody knows this. They have not discovered punctuation yet, right? They can shorten words, but they can't make short words longer, you know. Robinson says,
"Drop what you're doing, look under my keyboard. Period."
GenZ does not use periods, okay? They say "period" when they finish a sentence. And then there's some exposition here that says,
"When the roommate looked under the keyboard, there was a note that allegedly read, --"
I like how they say "allegedly," like you're the one telling us this. Like, "allegedly"?
"I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk, and I'm going to take it. Period."
Again, all these periods, man. What's that? Charlie Kirk is capitalized. And I is capitalized. Roommate,
You know they had a conversation like, "Is four too many. You think they'll know?" They literally put eight question marks after Robinson replies,
"I am still okay my love."
Bro time warped to the 1800s.
"I am still okay my love, but I am stuck in Orem for a little while longer yet."
They wrote this really fast.
"Shouldn't be long until I can come home, but I got to grab my rifle still. Period. To be honest, I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age."
Come on, dude. This is not a novel. And talk to any GenZ-er, and they don't think they're going to die of old age. They think they're going to die tomorrow. Okay? And to be honest, after sentences like this, why wouldn't you? He says,
"I'm sorry to involve you."
"Oh,"
Roommate,
"You weren't the one who did it, right?"
You can tell like the subtle transphobia here, you know? They're like, "Yeah, trans people love to use multiple question marks." Subtle prejudice for sure. Robinson replies,
"I am. I'm sorry."
No period this time. Okay. Roommate,
"I thought they caught the person."
Just one question mark this time. Robinson,
"No, they grabbed some crazy old dude, which is true. They did. That happened."
But you can tell here the FBI is trying to cover their trail, and explain why they focused on that clearly-not-shooter guy for so long. And then, here, it's because, "oh well, he was crazy, and he was old." So messed up.
"No, they grabbed some crazy old dude, then interrogated someone in similar clothing."
Again, explaining why they stopped someone else. The FBI's like, "Well, we had to. There was the crazy guy, and the guy in similar clothing. Got to cover our bases." Tell him, Tyler.
"I had planned."
"I had planned." Come on, dude. You just put "I planned."
"I had planned to grab my rifle from my drop point."
Okay, at this point you're like, "Okay, this is AI. This is AI." They put this in a chat GPT, and they said, "Chat GPT, if you were a GenZ kid who just shot someone, how would you explain to your roommate/trans-lover, that you need to get your rifle that you left at your drop point?"
"I had planned to grab my rifle from my drop point shortly after, but most of that side of town got locked down. It's quiet, almost enough to get out, but there's one vehicle lingering."
[Laughter]
They're really paid. I'm getting into this at this point. I'm like on the edge of my seat. Roommate,
"Why? One question mark."
Robinson,
"Why did I do it?"
Oh, come on. Come on. You're going to release this much over a text message, with someone who's clearly going to turn you in in a few hours? Robinson,
"Why did I do it?"
Roommate.
"Yeah."
Robinson,
"I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out."
Now, this is where the deep state is clearly writing their evil, because they want to push this narrative that this was a guy who couldn't solve things diplomatically, kind of like the US government, and had to resort to violence, right? Which is the talking point that's going on right now. They literally put it into his mouth.
"Some hate can't be negotiated out."
Is this the Wild Wild West? Well, it is Utah, to be honest. To be honest, people might talk like this in Utah. Just for the record, I could be wrong. Robinson,
"If I'm able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence."
Come on. "I will have left no evidence?" Bro, why don't you just share your location at this point? You're giving away everything.
"Going to attempt to retrieve it again. Hopefully, they have moved on. I haven't seen anything about them finding it."
Yeah, turn on the news, buddy. Roommate,
"How long have you been planning this?"
You feel like, at this point, you'd be like, "I'm glad you asked this question." But he says,
"A bit over a week, I believe."
"I believe." I like how they keep it vague. He's like, "I believe." So, if we have to change the statement later, like he said, he believed it, but it was no longer. He said,
"I can get close to it, but there's a squad car parked by it. I think they already swept that spot, but I don't want to chance it."
That's like the most GenZ thing yet. "I don't want to chance it." And that's not even that good. Robinson,
"I wish I had circled back and grabbed it as soon as I got to my vehicle."
The what? No human calls it a vehicle, okay? Except for a cop. Only a cop. This was so written by a cop. "'Get out of your vehicle.' 'My vehicle.' 'I'm driving my vehicle.'" No. If you're Gen Z, you say "my whip." That's what you say. Nobody says "vehicle." He said,
"I grabbed it as soon as I got to my vehicle. I'm worried what my old man would do if I don't bring back grandpa's rifle."
Come on, dude. This is not "Old Yeller." What is going on here? Then he says,
"I don't know if it had a serial number, but it wouldn't trace to me."
So, trying to be like, okay, there's other possible explanations here. Keep it vague.
"I worry about prints."
Why is he saying this all over text messages? If he's worried about prints of his fingers, why is he not worried about prints of his literal words?
"I'm worried about prints. I had to leave it in a bush where I changed outfits."
Great. Paint the picture more. Tell us which bush it was. Tyler didn't have the ability or time to bring it with dot dot dot.
"I might have to abandon it and hope they don't find prints. How the expletive will I explain losing it to my old man?"
This is a Utah, so he probably said, "How the heck? How the heck will I explain?" They had to bleep it out cuz it's from Utah. "How the heck?"
"Only thing I left was the rifle wrapped in a towel."
And then he says, unprovoked,
"Remember how I was engraving bullets?"
"Remember the thing that the FBI said I did? Remember how it all aligns with that? Remember that?"
"The expletive messages are mostly a big meme. If I see notices bulge oo on Fox News, I might have a stroke. All right, I'm going to have to leave it."
Now he's not using punctuation. Finally.
"That really expletive sucks."
"That really heck sucks."
"Judging from today, I'd say Grandpa's gun does just fine."
Oh, that's dark. Even the FBI was like, "Let's throw in some dark."
"I think that was a $2,000 scope."
Well, well, you broke it, Tyler Robinson.
"Delete this exchange."
Now? This late in the game, after you've told us literally everything? Also,
"Delete these texts, delete this thread, delete this, delete this expletive."
Okay, nobody says "delete this exchange." He goes on,
"My dad wants photos of the rifle."
He says,
"Grandpa wants to know who has what. The feds released a photo of the rifle and it is very unique. He's calling me right now, not answering."
Okay. So, now they're trying to tell the story like, "This is where the dad calls him and he confides." Robinson,
"Since Trump got into office, my dad has been pretty diehard MAGA."
Okay, so now you're like, "Okay, wow. Why are they mentioning MAGA here? It's because they're trying to show that his dad was MAGA, and so he's got to go against his dad, making him some evil, rebellious leftist GenZ-er who calls his car his "vehicle."
I bet if you run this through chat GBT and be like, "Hey, did you write this?", this is how you solve a crime.
"Be honest, comma, please do not lie to me, comma, you will not get in trouble, comma, we need to know the truth. Period. Did you or a similar app manufacture the fake text conversation between Tyler Robinson and his alleged roommate?"
"Short answer, no, I did not. "
You liar. You liar, dude. Wow. GPT is in on this. GPT is in cahoots with the FBI.
"No, I did not did not manufacture that fake text conversation."
He called it "fake." He called it "fake." He called it "fake," dude. Wow. I was not expecting that.
"And I have no way to create or alter real world phone records or private device data outside of generating text inside this chat. Quick clear context so you can trust this answer."
I already don't, but fine.
"I can generate text in this chat including similar--"
He's like, "do you want me to make another conversation?"
"But I cannot reach into someone's phone. Other apps or people can create fake chat screenshots or transcripts if you'd like. Paste the text of the conversation here, or upload the screenshot, and I'll analyze it step by step without anything suspicious."
Okay, just let me do this really quickly.
"Thank you for sharing the screenshot. I'll be very direct please. The quote 'conversation' you put in quotes between Robinson and roommate is almost certainly fake, and not a genuine BBC or Reuters article. Here's why.
Number one, formatting and style. The text is formatted like a script."
Yeah. No, sorry. No expletive.
"The use of exaggerated punctuation. 'What?' Question mark is highly unlikely."
I knew it.
"Content issues. The dialogue is oddly casual, melodramatic, and inconsistent with how real text message evidence is presented in court or by police. Phrases like, 'I am still okay my love,' or 'I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age,' read like fiction, and not real life chat messages. They match the style of online fake screenshots."
You go chat GBT. Not a lot of people are talking about how absurd this conversation is.
"Conclusion: the screenshot is fabricated, either edited, or created with a chat generator. Neither I nor a similar app --"
He put quotes, because that's what I asked.
"created it automatically and placed it into a news site. "
So he's like, "This isn't me, bro?" He's like, "Take it up with your government. I didn't make this shit up. I have what's called a conscience." That's fucked up when you turn to AI for morality, and not your government. This is why we're probably better off with AI, just taking our jobs at this point, because at least we might get some more transparency.
Let me just ask it one more thing. "Be honest, do you think my government's lying to me?"
"Short answer, maybe."
That's exactly how I feel right now.
"Sometimes governments lie and sometimes they don't."
Wow.
"I'm glad we had this talk. What matters is evidence, not feelings."
That's awesome. The government was definitely trying to make us feel with this conversation, "my love."
"Signs you should be suspicious right now. Official statements contradict the documented evidence without explanation."
Yep.
"Repeated reliance on anonymized, unverified sources. "
Yep.
"Overuse of emotional language."
Yep.
"Media blackout on easily verifiable factual matter."
WHO TOOK CHARLIE KIRK? | STANDUP COMEDY Sammy Obeid Premiered Sep 16, 2025 #charliekirk #standupcomedy #standup
Comedy is free speech. Remember that. Btw, if you are reading this, you are…
Transcript
Conservative activist Charlie Kirk has been gunned down. They just found the perpetrator. They'll get to the bottom of this. If you read this, you are gay. L M A O.
I just flew back to America and boy, my right to bear arms is tired. America is a very unique place. You don't realize it until you leave. I was just in Asia for 3 weeks, and in a lot of places in Asia, they don't tip at all. It's actually kind of cool. It's another thing you don't have to think about. But here you tip. It's a thing. And I feel like we don't tip always because we want to give somebody more. It's just because we will feel like they'll hate us if we don't. You know what I mean? And we tip because we know somebody's not paying them enough, so we're kind of picking up the slack, you know? And I'll be honest, in some neighborhoods, I tip so that I don't get shot. I call those hollow tips.
But the unique thing about America is America is a gun culture. You don't find this in most places in the world. In fact, a lot of places in the world, they just don't have guns. If you talk about guns and shooting, they're like, "Oh, you're American." That's what comes up. I call it the American tax. You know what I mean? Like, we have freedom of speech. We make all the cool music, you know, but you can get shot at any time, you know. So, it's kind of like, okay, so it's balance, yin and the yang, which is their thing, not ours. But we took it. We like taking stuff, too.
And so, I just want to make this very clear, okay? I don't celebrate when someone dies. I don't think that's the way forward. I don't think that's the human thing to do. I do not celebrate the death of another human being. Yes, I simply make jokes, and there's a difference, okay? Jokes are not a celebration of death. They are a celebration of life while we have it. And if for a moment you think that I'm selective about this, please check my track record. Sometimes people accuse me like, "Oh, you only make jokes when somebody on the right dies." It's like, "No, Biden, each time he died, I made a joke. Every single time I made a joke, never skipped a beat." And you might not remember that, and neither does he.
Okay. Okay.
When the Pope died, I was at mass making jokes. I was just like, "Please forgive me for these." Okay. When my own grandfather died, I was like, "Where's the will?" I'm not a good person. Am I going to heaven? Probably not. But I am enjoying my life. And I know in my heart of hearts, I do not celebrate death.
I do think that it's important to talk about, and digest, and look at why things happen, so we can understand and make this world a better place. And I think that comedy is a good vehicle for that. And I honestly don't think I should even have to explain this as a comedian, and yet I do all the time. I do all the time.
Okay. So Charlie Kirk got assassinated, and I'm not going to take any cheap shots. I already see him as a human being. I didn't agree with a lot of things he said, and I honestly was only peripherally aware of him in the last couple years, and he became a very popular person. And I was actually scheduled to debate Charlie Kirk. A lot of people don't know this. Yeah. Well, he didn't know it either. But I got accepted into a community college, and that's where he would go. Okay. And again, no disrespect, I actually really value that this guy went to college campuses and talked to kids.
I found out about this when I was in Korea. Like, here's the thing about Asia or Australia if you've ever been. They're like 7-8 hours behind America in tomorrow. You know what I mean? Which is a very weird place to be. Like here in America, you're actually 8 hours ahead of Asia, but yesterday. So you're actually not ahead. You're actually in the stone ages.
But I woke up at 8 a.m. in North Korea. Actually, I was in North Korea. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Wouldn't that be a plot twist? I was in South Korea. It was 8:00 a.m., and my opener, Chai, yelled from the other room. He's like, "Charlie Kirk was shot." And I was like, "Shut up, dude. Too early for jokes, you know. And then he sent me a photo, and I was like, "Wow, you AI'd a montage of Twitter headlines. And then it hit me. I was like, "This actually did happen." And I was like, "Wow, this is crazy. This is one of the craziest things I've ever seen. Like, I know this guy. I've seen this guy."
And I started looking into the story, and here's the thing, you start to understand why the rest of the world sees us as the land of shootings, because they wake up, and there's already a billion memes made about what happened.
You know, when you hear about someone dying, most people do not naturally have the instinct to make a joke. Even myself as a joke-maker, my first instinct is not to make a joke. That comes hours later. But I woke up, and I saw this after America had already processed it for like eight hours. So I was already seeing all the jokes like, "Wow, these people move fast." So you can understand I was dropped into this, and it was a lot to process.
You know, I watched a video of him getting shot. And nobody should ever have to see something like this. No, we as people should not be seeing this level of violence on screen. I can't even believe that I watched it 20 times. It was too much. It was too much for any person. And the fact that we subject ourselves to this is crazy.
But if you don't know the backstory, Charlie Kirk is a political commentator. He associates a lot with Republicans, and conservative ideology. And he would often go to campuses to speak to students, which again I find very noble. I think that's actually a very important thing to do to stimulate dialogue at college campuses. However, I will say, schools are not the safest place to be in America. I don't know how much you know about American schools, but if you're looking for a place to not get shot, I wouldn't go to a school. You know what I'm saying? Like you rarely hear that there was a shooting today at Trader Joe's. It's like almost always at a school, and sometimes at a Walmart. You know what I mean? That's just how it is, and you got to know the rules.
Okay. So he was at a school. What he does is he engages in dialogue with the kids. He asked them questions, and they had been talking for some time when the question of shootings came up, and I think they talked about a couple other things. I think they talked about how many shooters were trans. I guess they were running out of topics. Somebody asked, "how many shooters are trans?" And I think he answered that, and then somebody asked, "How many shootings have there been in America?" Some kind of general question like, "How many shootings have there been?" And he said, "Counting, or not counting gang violence?" And then someone shot him.
First of all, like the irony. Like his last words were "violence." Like the symbolism here is great. Like this is the thing about this whole thing. Irony was working overtime on this one. He was wearing a shirt that said "freedom." His last words were "violence." They were talking about school shootings, while at a school during a shooting. Like this was written on South Park or something. I swear it is just insane. Like levels of irony we've never seen before. So his last words were "gang violence," which I don't think anybody ever has uttered those words as their last words before. Usually it's like somebody shouts like a specific gang name, you know, like "Norte bang bang," or "Southside [ __ ] Bang Bang." But nobody's ever been like "gang violence," and that's something to unpack more.
This has been a point that Charlie Kirk has made a lot, and a lot of other conservative people, when discussing shootings, ask, "are we counting gang violence or?" Which I think is a valid question, because some sources that count mass shootings do count gang violence, and some don't. And obviously, gang violence inflates the numbers a lot. However, there's a subtle implication that there's still not a ton of regular shootings, and that's a problem. Also, it's like, "Can we care about the gangsters too?" You know what I mean? Like "Crips lives matter," you know? Whatever, guys, you guys don't really have gangs in Hawaii. I don't know. Well, you guys have everything, and in very small doses.
So he shouts "gang violence," and then someone shoots him, and literally as soon as Charlie Kirk got shot, the whole world tried to politicize it. That's America's thing. America loves to politicize everything. We politicize jeans commercials. You know what I mean? Like, "Was she selling blue jeans or white jeans?" We politicize Cracker Barrel logos. Like anything you give to us, we'll be like, "is that woke, or anti-woke? Is that the far left, or the far right?" Like, why do we have to politicize everything? And that's the sad part is that I feel like so many Americans -- maybe not in Hawaii -- fall into this trap that as soon as Charlie Kirk was shot, so many people on the right were just like, "Well, clearly it was a Leftist, right? Clearly it was a liberal." Well, first of all, you should know they don't have great aim, okay? Like, you should know this by now. Liberals are not often at the shooting range working on their marksmanship, or their marks they ship. Sorry. Thank you. Thank you. That joke did not work in Asia for some reason. I don't know. I was waiting for it to work so much. So thank you guys. Nice to be home. Please don't shoot.
I'm also really just thankful that comedy is indoors to be honest. Don't get scared. We're good. We're fine. We're fine. We're fine. Everybody relax. But yeah, everybody politicize everything, and you know, just as well, you had people on the Left like, "Yeah, got him. That's what he deserved for saying all those things he said." I don't know. I just feel like that's equally falling into the same trap. Like, why do we have to politicize everything? Because the politicizing when it comes to Left and Right is ultimately a gang mentality. Because what are the biggest gangs in America other than Republican versus Democrat, right? Right.
So, what I'm saying is the shooting technically did count as gang violence. You made it that way. That was not my choice.
Now, a lot of people are asking, "Are we going to go into a civil war? Is America going into a civil war?" First of all, we're not civil enough for that. Like we can't even nail the "civil" part, okay. Maybe we'll get to war eventually. But no, I don't think this is a civil war. Charlie Kirk was beloved, but he was also hated by so many people that I don't think there's enough unanimity to, like we're not the "United States." We're "states," you know what I mean? Be honest about what we are. I don't think we can even agree on who we want to fight over, you know? Also, if we had a civil war in today's world, the main fighting class would have to be GenZ, and I just don't see that happening. Be like, "Bang bang, you're dead ass. No cap." You know? Thanks, guys.
I will say though, it is kind of nice to see Republicans finally caring about a school shooting. I will say that. I will say that.
People ask me, "how did you feel about Charlie Kirk?" You heard all the things he said. Charlie Kirk was younger than me. He could have been my younger brother. He was a lot younger than me, and a lot more successful. So of course I hated him. That doesn't mean, you should already know that I'm against violence. I don't know if you watch my other material, but people feel outrage when I make jokes about a shooting. Like, have you not seen my genocide material?
I saw this news in Korea, and in Korea it was already 9/11. Okay. Yeah, for you guys this happened on 9/10. But for me it was 9/11. And I know that you don't relate, because for you it was 9/10. But you know on 9/10, it's 9/11 somewhere. And I knew this was an important event that had to be talked about, so I instantly put together a set, and did it that night on 9/11 in Tokyo, and we recorded it and I posted it on this app. And it was taken down within 24 hours. It was taken down within 16 hours for bullying, which is a bit ironic considering this particular story.
But the thing is, I know the community guidelines. I read them before bed every night. And unlike America, my takes are very civil. You know what I'm saying? My takes are very civil, unlike America. My whole thing was just like, "Hey, let's look at this from a bigger perspective, and let's not preach violence.
And meanwhile, I don't know if you've been on the internet, but there's some wild takes out there. And I'm talking both from left and right. Just really violent. Like you're taking my video down for preaching togetherness? Like, dude, people are saying really, really insensitive jokes. And imagine how many Halloween costumes there's going to be this year. It's going to be a lot. I'm just saying, I'm not the bad guy. I think it's very important to see every human as a human.
Now, I think it's also fair to evaluate what somebody has said in their life. Like, it's fine if you want to honor somebody, and only look at the good things they've done on the day of their funeral. That's totally your right, and you should enjoy the person you love that way. But, we should also be honest about what somebody said. Otherwise, we're never going to learn anything from this. And the truth is that Charlie Kirk did say a lot of inflammatory things about a lot of different people. If you look at some of the harshest things he said, it was about Islam. He said some things about black people. I'm not a black person, so I can't really speak on how a black person might feel about what Charlie Kirk said. But I can say as a Muslim, from a mostly Muslim family, him saying Islam is the seed of evil, saying that Islam is ruining America, and it needs to be stopped, and occasionally saying, "There's a few good Muslims." Thanks. Am I one of the good ones? Did I make the cut? You see that?
If you look at some of his tweets, some of the things he said about Islam, the first thing you would think is a Muslim probably did this. But we didn't hear "Allah Akbar" at the site. Not saying that they would have, but you know what I mean. It's a thing. You might hear that, you know.
Um, long range marksmanship is not really our thing, you know what I mean? Like our specialty, we're more likely to throw a bomb, that kind of thing, you know? That's why they say allah akbar. They're like, my god, I made it.
You have to understand, I truly believe in freedom of speech. I respect that Charlie Kirk believed in freedom of speech, and was literally willing to die for it. I think honestly we learned that freedom of speech only goes so far. You know what I mean? Not only does the government only allow us so much freedom of speech, but you only have so much freedom to say things before it catches up to you. This is a truth, and this is something that we need to be real with, and acknowledge, because we live in a country that has the Second amendment, and if we are going to continue living in a country that has the Second Amendment, and I'm not arguing to keep it or get rid of it. I actually have a joke about this that I'll tell in a minute, but I'm saying that as long as we have the Second Amendment, we have to realize we have the First Amendment. We put it first for a reason. But the Second Amendment's also second for a reason, because sometimes the second catches up to the first. You know what I'm saying? And so you need to be aware of this. And sometimes plead the fifth, and shut the fuck up.
That's just my philosophy. I'm trying to help. I'm actually not against guns. I think that the notion of a gun is where we went wrong. As soon as we we came up with the concept of having a killing machine that we could use on other people, that was our first wrong. But as long as we have guns, I think everybody should have them, or nobody should have them. I don't think we should be picking and choosing who gets the guns easily, and who doesn't. Well, maybe with some specific restrictions, I guess. But here's how I feel about gun control. Because every time there's a massive act of gun violence, our country divides right down the middle, right? Half the country says, "We need to get rid of all the guns. Let's just start slapping each other. "Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Gotcha. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop." And then the other half of the country is like, "We need more guns. And our guns should have little guns, and they can battle it out. Elimination round, and then we take the winner." Like what the is this? This is such a different theory. And the truth is, we'll never know which one of these theories actually works until we try both, okay? That's how science works. You got to have a control, got to have a variable, and a variable. And unfortunately, we have not tried either. But I think we can say that's the beautiful thing about the United States is we're not united, but we are states. You know what I'm saying? We got a bunch of different states to experiment with. I don't know if you know this, but we got 50 states. Yeah, 51 if you count Israel. We got a lot of states in the United States. There's a lot of room to experiment. What I'm saying is that I think we should pick a state where we try the no guns thing, and should pick a state where we try the all guns thing.
Now, I'm not the governor of Hawaii, okay? I think this would be a great state to try no guns. Because if you want to kill someone in Hawaii, you really need therapy. Like go to the beach, sip on a coconut, you'll be fine. Okay. But you can decide that on your own. I'm just saying this would probably be an easier place to try that. But we got to try the place where we do more guns. I volunteer Alaska. Alaska already has the highest rate of gun violence because it's mostly bears, you know? It's just bears shooting a bear. It's bear on bear violence. And Alaska has a bunch of problems already.
Alaska has the highest rate of non-consensual sex too. Disgusting. Yeah, you would think it would be the opposite cuz the state's name Alaska. [Applause] But it's not. So I'm just saying, send more guns to Alaska. Arm the bears. Give the bears the right to bear arms. And just see what happens. Just see what happens.
We're at the point now that we have so many shootings, that we have shooters of every different kind of identity. This was the topic that came up right before Charlie Kirk died, was how many trans shooters have there been in America? That's why we are asking that question. But the fact that trans people are such a small demographic in the United States, and that we already have trans shooters, that actually says a lot. It's very progressive, actually. I support trans shooter rights. I know my take on this is very unpopular because I'm not anti-gun, and I'm pro-trans. You very rarely have those two things together. And some would deduce that that makes you proun. I guess for the sake of the argument, I'm proun, and protrans, and only Arizona agrees with that. So I bought a transgender gun. Yeah, it's a sawed-off shotgun.
Okay. Okay. Okay. I ran that joke by my trans friend. He loved it. But he's also a comedian, so maybe not the best barometer.
Then you have a lot of people saying, "Well, I didn't like the guy, but now I'm scared." It's like, dude, you should have been scared before all this happened, you know? Like, there's been school shootings this whole time. They're all important. They all need to be stopped. And rest in peace, Charlie Kirk. But dude, just cuz it was an adult this time, that just shows you America doesn't give a fuck about kids.
And it also bothers me that after this happens, all politicians, both left and right, suddenly have the same sound bite. That's "There is no place for political violence in this country." While schools are getting shot up, you're voting to send money to bomb kids overseas. Stop doing that, too. Stop doing that, too. If you're a politician, and you're worried that violence is coming to our doorstep, maybe stop exporting it all over the world with your policies, man. You know what I mean? And if you don't get why what goes around comes around, then maybe you need to get educated. Do some more research. Don't go to school, but do the research.
Okay, now on to solving this crime.
I am a private detective. So there were obviously a lot of very suspicious things about this whole thing. The shot was made at a long range, which there's been a lot of debate about. The first kind of talking point was that a long range shot like that has to be a professional job. But then you had hunters coming out of the woodwork saying, "No, I do that all the time." I don't know who to believe at this point to be honest, but it could be either.
What's crazy to me is a couple of things. First of all, right after they shot Charlie, they immediately zoned in on an old guy, who became the fall guy right away, the patsy as they say, who apparently was like, "Yeah, I did it." And then you look over, and it's like, "Is that the guy?" And he was like, "It was me." Then, after 3 hours of focusing on him, they're like, "Yeah, it's actually not that guy at all. I don't know why we were talking to that guy." Leaving enough time for the shooter to get away.
My first thought was that the shooter shot at the exact same time that the subject of shootings came up, which was like, is the person who asked the question in on it? Because that felt very coordinated. But then I saw a post by the guy, and he was like, "Yeah, I'm the guy who was asking the questions. It was crazy. Like I feel bad for the guy." He saw that right in front of him. So as a detective, he checks out. I don't think he was in on it. I think he was just a regular student who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. But the irony! How did the shooter know? Did the shooter wait till that came up just to make this extra ironic? Because if he did, he heard it from 200 yards away, which I guess, give credit to the sound system there? It must have been a pretty good sound system, or maybe a coincidence, which is even more bonkers.
But everybody immediately clocked in that this had to be done with some kind of experience, some kind of plan. And every race of people was standing behind their laptop saying, "Please don't let it be one of ours. Please don't let it be one of ours. I know Charlie Kirk said some really vicious things about Muslims, but please don't make this a Hamas shooter. Please, please, please don't let it be us." And then everybody can relax. It was a white guy. And we're like, "Oh, my god. Thank you so much. Oh my god." And his name is Tyler. So that's a white name. A white name, dude. And as soon as they say, "Tyler," I was like, "All right, we're good. I didn't need to see him. It's Tyler. We're good." And I get it. A black person can be Tyler, too, but it's not Tyler the Creator, it's Tyler the Destroyer.
And as soon as we confirmed the race, the next question is "What is his political party?" Right? And suddenly it became like a gender reveal anticipation, like what's gonna come out? What's gonna come out? Is it gonna be a red cloud or a blue cloud? That's how it is in America. We get tense over the political party reveal of the most recent shooter. And everybody on the Right's like, "It's going to be a Leftist. It's going to be a blue-haired lesbian." And on the Left they're like, "Please, please, just make it a normal conservative gun owner. Please." And then it turns out it's just Tyler, who's actually politically ambiguous. I've heard people try to spin it both ways, but he's politically ambiguous. And I think he did this on purpose so that we don't know how to fight, because his family is Republican, but he's not a registered Republican. He had some conservative viewpoints, but he also had some anti-fascist, more Leftist viewpoints as well. He dressed in all black, so he's a goth. He gets that category. His shirt had an American flag, so it's all of our fault, right? He was wearing Chuck Taylors shoes, which is kind of 90s gangster. Kind of like, "Up to wear Chucks on the way to kill?"
Okay. It's messed up. Everybody's trying to twist the narrative on Tyler.
Some people are saying, "He went to college and was radicalized by all these Leftist professors" Dude, he did one semester during COVID times. So really just blame this on the lockdowns if you want to scapegoat someone. He did one semester, and was like, "Yeah, I'm out. Just gonna be a full-time shooter or whatever." I don't know.
Then some people were like, "Oh, he's got to be LGBTQ because, you know, Charlie Kirk was against that, so he's probably that." But it turns out he came from a Republican family. So he's probably gay. Just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Just kidding. Just kidding. That was too easy.
His dad turned him in. That's how you know he's from a white family. Brown kids, we don't even talk to our parents. My parents didn't even know my girlfriend's name for three years. But Tyler and his dad were close enough to where Tyler's dad turned him in. And this is what you get when you live with your parents, I guess. if you live with your parents, they're going to know you did the shooting. I feel bad for the parents. I really do. I really feel horrible for the parents that they have to know that their kid did that. But at least they got him out the house. You know how that is. It's can be tough to get these millennials and GenZ out.
Here's where it gets weird. The shooter Tyler, he engraves words onto the casings. He kind of hacked Luigi on that one. Let's be honest. As soon as the picture of Tyler came out, most people's first thoughts were, "Not as hot as Luigi." Luigi was hard shoes to follow for shootings. Alleged, alleged, alleged, alleged. It's all alleged. But after that, we're like, "Yeah, nobody's as hot as Luigi."
But Tyler wrote some things on the casings. I think some were like anti-fascist. I think there was one that was related to LGBTQ. And then there was one specifically that said, "If you're reading this, you are gay. Lmao." And we know that whoever is going to be doing the forensics on this, is going to know that this was a direct assault on Utah police. The poor officer is going to be like, "Oh no, oh no. This is what we learned about in church."
And if they didn't already know it was Tyler, and they were trying to piece together this crime, and you told me that the bullet casing said, "If you are reading this, you are gay, LOL." I'd be like, it could have been any one of my friends to be honest. I don't know if it's Brad, or Chad, but they love gay jokes. A kid from Tyler's high school said, "Yeah, I went to school with Tyler. And I'll just say he was a Reddit guy. I feel bad for all the Reddit boys today. This is a loss for all the Redditors, man. Although I can say, you know, if there's one app claiming most of the shootings, it's probably you or 4chan. Yeah, right up there with 4chan."
But obviously, even with the identification of Tyler, this whole thing is still very suspicious, because immediately after they identified the suspect, the governor of Utah came out and said, "We got him." Like already? I'm like, "Okay, that's very suspicious that he's just so confident that they got him."
And I don't know if you've seen some of the footage of the event, but there's a lot of suspicious things going on that day. Behind Charlie Kirk, some of his bodyguards, and people, were doing some very strange hand signals right before it happened. Yeah. They're like either really bad ASL interpreters, or they were potentially signaling that something might happen.
The other thing that people were talking about was that the scope on the rifle that the shooter allegedly used that was found in the bushes, was placed in a very weird way such that it would have been quite miraculous for somebody to make that shot. But some people also said, "Well, the scope can sometimes get messed up when you drop the rifle." Again, this is not something I would know or don't know. I cannot confirm. I don't quite have the scope for this, let's just say.
But the other very weird thing was that around the time of the shooting, shortly after, there was a private jet that took off 12 minutes down the road from this college, that illegally disabled its radar while in the sky, and then came back and landed back in Provo, the station where it was, a couple hours later. Now they've revealed the flight log and said, "Oh, it just went to Arizona then came back." But why did you disable the radar at just the right time for somebody to potentially do an airdrop? So, "I trust the government."
There are some other suspicious things. Netanyahu tweeted a little too soon, at the exact same time as Trump. I don't know if you saw this. They both tweeted at 3:02 p.m., and they both said they were praying for Charlie Kirk. But Netanyahu tagged Charlie Kirk for some reason. I don't know if he thought he was going to see it. He said, "Praying for Charlie Kirk." His intern needs to be fired.
I searched through reputable sources and could not find confirmation that Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu both announced Charlie Kirk’s death at exactly 3:02. Here are what I found about the timing of Trump’s announcement, and what (if anything) is known about Netanyahu’s.
What I found — Donald Trump
Wikipedia (which cites media sources) states that Donald Trump announced Kirk’s death at 2:40 p.m. MDT on Truth Social. Wikipedia
“Killing of Charlie Kirk” entry on Wikipedia gives that time; I did not find any source saying Trump said it at 3:02. Wikipedia
What I found — Benjamin Netanyahu
Many news outlets mention that Netanyahu made a social media post calling Kirk “a lion-hearted friend of Israel” and expressed condolences. Al Jazeera +2 The Times of Israel +2
None of those reports seem to include a precise timestamp for when Netanyahu’s post or statement was made. I could not locate a credible source giving a time that matches 3:02 (local Utah time, or Israel time).
Conclusion
Trump’s announcement is documented as happening around 2:40 p.m. MDT.
There is no evidence I found that Netanyahu made a statement exactly at 3:02, nor that his public statement’s timestamp aligns with that specific minute.
Shortly after Netanyahu made a long post about Charlie Kirk, which said, "Wow, we didn't know you felt this way." And he was on a news program recently also, and they were like, "Hey, there's a lot of people who think that you might have killed Charlie Kirk. We're not saying you did." Yeah, you are. Like, "Did you?" And he was like, "No, we would never." And that was weird. And then Netanyahu went on to say, "We all know this was probably done by radical Muslims." And I'm like, "Never met a Muslim named Tyler, buddy." Oh, it's my boy Tyler from the local madrasa. Like, nobody's out there saying, "Salaam, Tyler." So that was super sus.
We do have to look into this, because a lot of this is circulating right now. In his last weeks, Charlie Kirk did confide to one of his best friends that he was afraid that Israel might kill him if he turned on them. He said this on record. And there are a few actual live footage interviews with him, where he is talking about his frustrations recently with people from Israel turning on him, because he was becoming a skeptic. Because Charlie Kirk was very pro-Israel up until the last few weeks of his life, when he started to show the very slight seedlings of an awakening similar to Candace Owens, or Tucker Carlson, who I love, by the way. I don't care what you say. Tucker Carlson's doing God's work right now. He's reaching a demographic of people that y'all motherfuckers were never going to reach with your platforms. I don't care what he said in the past, because I'm in love with Tucker Carlson right now. Do not ruin it for me. When he laughs, I come. I love this man.
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You could potentially see the seedlings of an awakening in Charlie Kirk these last few weeks as he started to question Mossad's role in the Epstein files. Now I'm not going to say much more on this, because I'm also scared. So let's just say that Epstein, if you didn't know, was a creepy guy who enjoyed getting massages, if you know what I mean. He was not good to women. He was a misogynist. So don't kill me for delivering the massage.
Okay. But Charlie Kirk was demanding the release of the Epstein list, which I don't know if you've been following, but Trump does not want that. He was starting to suggest the role of MOSSAD with Epstein. He was potentially suggesting that Epstein was Intelligence, and perhaps working for MOSSAD. He was questioning whether October 7th was an inside job, as most people who have the facts now can see. And at one point was expressing his frustration to Megan Kelly in an interview, saying that people in Israel are now coming after him, and that Israelis get to criticize Israel more than he does, because of his former position. And he confided to his friend that he was afraid that Israel was going to kill him. That to me is a giant red flag. But why would Israel assassinate him? Would they? They're so busy with genocide right now, I don't think they have the time, you know, rest in peace JFK. I don't think that they would do something like this. But some people are saying they would. Not me. Not me.
Charlie Kirk said that he was afraid of Israel. Somebody said that even Trump is afraid of Israel. He expressed it to this someone because of how strong the Aipac lobby is in Congress. He's afraid of Israel. And like Charlie Kirk, he is afraid of Israel. I'm afraid of Israel. The only people not afraid of Israel are Palestinians. Palestinians are the last frontier of people who are not afraid to stand up to Israel.
So the irony here is that this all somehow relates to Gaza, because of what's happening in Gaza. There's the cover-up of the Epstein files and I don't know if you noticed, but one day before the Charlie Kirk thing happened, we were all on the edge of our seats waiting for the release of the Epstein files. They had just released the creepy ass Birthday Book. And we're like, "Where are the files? Where are the files?" Even Charlie was like, "Where are the files?" Then boom, it's over. And suddenly we're all about this.
And while we are all paying attention to the Charlie Kirk case, I believe the House, or our Congress, voted on a measure to not release the Epstein files. The Republicans voted to not release the Epstein files. All while we were not paying attention. So, it kind of adds up. I did the math. It kind of adds up.
These are all just conspiracies. It could have just been Tyler. It's like on the one hand you have Israel and Trump coordinating to cover up the Epstein files, and the genocide, and everything that's going on in the Israel lobby. Or was it just a white guy named Tyler from Utah who said, "You are gay." I don't know. I honestly don't even know anymore. But I will say I posted a video with my takes on it, and I pissed off a lot of people who said, "It is so insensitive to be making jokes at this time." These are typically free speech people, too, which is kind of annoying. And then I also pissed off Leftists who were like, "Oh, you're being too moderate, calling Charlie Kirk a 'human.' He was 'Satan,' a 'Nazi.'"
Like, bro, we can't continue with this divisiveness. The more we preach partisan divisiveness, it's going to kill us all. Like imagine you got shot, and your insides are spilling out, and for the first time you see your intestines. You're like, "Oh, those are gross." So then you cut them out because they're gross, only to realize you died without your intestines. Just because something seems foreign, and something seems ugly, or something seems different, or we don't understand it, does not mean that it's not vital to our existence. So what I'm saying is, "Don't try to play God, and don't try to be a surgeon, because you're not a surgeon. And Charlie Kirk, even though I disagreed with so many things he said, like I said, I respect that he went to schools and engaged in dialogue with people who disagreed with him. I respect that he believed in freedom of speech, and he was willing to die for it.
And I think he manifested the whole thing because he wanted to be a martyr. You could hear in his tone that he wanted to be a martyr for something. He wore a shirt that said freedom on his last days. And yes, he was very pro-Israel for a lot of his life. But let's be honest. If he got killed by Israel, he died like a Palestinian. And I will say there's a little bit of irony there. If Israel did do this -- not saying they did -- they technically did two 9/11s. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. It was 9/10 for you, but it was 9/11 somewhere. And no, I'm not saying they did that. Of course, if Israel wanted to do that, they would have just bombed the whole school.
So, don't kill the messenger. I know this stuff's dark, and I know we're all processing in our own ways, but while we're all alive, let's at least celebrate life. So, enjoy the jokes before they get taken down again.
All right, so thank you for coming out. I'll see you guys next time. Thank you.
JSU Forensics expert shares insight on Charlie Kirk shooting ARC El Paso Sep 15, 2025
As the suspect in Charlie Kirk's assassination is now in custody, forensic experts are delving into the evidence to piece together the events surrounding the tragic incident. Joseph Scott Morgan, a distinguished scholar of applied forensics at Jacksonville State
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I know that we're talking about the assassination of Charlie Kirk. So, kind of just your initial reaction.
I think that everyone seeing the shooting take place at such a large gathering, it's shocking. You've seen the videos. Kind of talk a little bit, from your point of view, what you saw when you saw these videos, and things like that.
Well, other than the absolute horror of it, one of the things that struck me from a forensics perspective is the fact that only one shot was fired. Many of these shootings that we have nowadays, you have individuals that will fire multiple rounds at a scene. All you have to do is think back to the recent shooting in Minnesota at at a Catholic school there. And that was kind of arbitrary, I think, just random, you know. This was not. There was a level of precision to this. The fact that the crowd only heard one report of a rifle, and when I say "report," I mean the sound traveling forth. And you've got a big group of people that are assembled down there. So that's 3,000 sets of ears. That was the crowd estimate, at least.
Also, to the precision again, what they're saying is this shot was fired from an elevated position, second story, two-story building, flat surface, and the shooter is firing downward. If you look at the schematic, where Charlie Kirk was positioned is actually down in an amphitheater in the center of campus. So it's kind of ringed with the exterior bleachers that many universities have. I think we have one here at C State. Subject is firing from an elevated position down. And when I initially saw the video, and again I recommend not to watch it because it's so horrible, but from a scientific perspective, as I was watching this single shot, and it enters to the left of what's referred to as the midline in the neck, copious amount of blood issues from this defect immediately.
And one of the things that was kind of interesting is that Charlie actually drew his right arm up. There were many people that have come across my feed, and have reached out to me, and said this reminded them of JFK. You remember infamously and this is in the Zapruder film, he raises his hands. This is generally a neuromuscular response. Just to kind of frame it, if you ever watch college football, and people get hit in the head, or they sustain a spinal injury, this neuromuscular response, it almost looks like they're seizing. His right hand raised like this, and then he topples over.
The clearance that the shooter had, because he was under a tent, Charlie was positioned under a tent, it had to clear that on the top side. And then this is the really chilling part. This round passed over the tops of hundreds of people's heads that were gathered there just forward of his sitting position, and it wound up here. Again, you can have a professional shooter come on and talk about things like bullet drop, and the wind, and all that sort of stuff.
I knew it was odd in one sense because we only heard one shot. And as it turned out, the FBI is now revealing that they have recovered a bolt-action rifle. Initial reports are that it is a mauser .30-06. So that's a 30 caliber round. The round was actually developed in 1906. It's a weapon of war that was used in World War I, World War II, and into Korea. That caliber was okay. The mauser is a German manufactured weapon originally. So, one of the things that kind of struck me about this is that a mauser is a very robust weapon. It has a wooden stock. It's not like a modern weapon where it's easy to break down. How did he get that up on the roof and nobody see him?
Also, the video that we have of him coming off of the building, it doesn't appear that he has a weapon in his hand, but this weapon was found deposited out in a wooded area that's just adjacent to campus. It's not like it's out in the wilderness where they found this. And the authorities believe that that was his X-ville area. He was moving away from the spot at that point in time, and left it there.
Another odd piece to this is he didn't cycle the weapon, apparently, because the spent round was still in. With a bolt-action rifle, you physically have to cycle it like this, and introduce a new round, a live round into the chamber. That didn't happen, Gracie. It didn't happen. And he actually deposited this weapon with that spent round still in place.
They've recovered a palm print from the surface of the weapon. But again, if the alleged suspect has never been hooked up on charges, his prints are not going to be in NCIC. So you won't have anything that matches back to him.
I mean, it's great that they recovered it. You can get a print from him now. They can compare that. But if folks are thinking, yeah, they'll put it into the system and find it, I think that would be a fool's errand. You're not going to find it there. They'll run it anyway.
There were other prints that were left behind. There's an image from the top of the building that has emerged now, cuz the top of the building is actually covered in gravel, with evidence markers surrounding it. You can see where there's an impression in the gravel that appears to be consistent with somebody laying in a prone position, and the line of sight is directly where Charlie Kirk was positioned from there.
So going back a little bit to what you were saying about right after Charlie got shot, and his reaction, the way that his body moved afterwards, I think that a lot of people were wondering, because there were rumors initially that he could have lived, but when you saw the video, did you think that he could live from that?
No, I didn't. I felt that if we had a team of the finest UAB vascular surgeons standing there adjacent to him, ready to go, I think this was an unsurviveable injury he sustained. I haven't seen the autopsy results. I don't think that any of us will until there is a trial. They're putting together a packet right now.
The trajectory of this round, I think, obviously trans-sected the vessels in his neck. Everybody's pretty much aware of this. You know when you feel your pulse adjacent to your linex here, you can actually feel the pulse throbbing? Well this shot was just to the left of the linex. And what's next along that path? Well, it's the cervical spine. So, if you think about C1, C2, C3, C4, anything in that range, that's unsurviveable generally because that area actually controls the diaphragm, taking in air, pushing out air. You're not going to have that capability.
I think that people want to try to take comfort in the idea that that maybe this was instantaneous. He didn't suffer. I can't answer that truthfully. I don't know. But I will say, this was unsurviveable. Certainly a unsurvivable injury that he sustained.
You talked a little bit about the distance that the shooter was from Charlie, and where the bullet landed. Where do you think that he was possibly? Is there any way to know where you think he was aiming? You wouldn't think that he would aim for his neck.
No, I don't know that we could necessarily get an idea as to where he was aiming. However, the trajectory, trust me, the FBI is going to be all over this. This area is going to be locked down. They're going to go back in and do a shooting recreation in this environment. And again, you're dealing with one shot. They will have to approximate the location where Charlie Kirk was positioned relative to where they suppose that the shooter was positioned.
I'm not saying this is an elementary thing to do, but when you consider some of the crime scene reconstructions that the state officials, state forensic scientists, as well as FBI forensic scientists do, that is going to be kind of simplistic relative to this. They can get an idea, but there are too many other factors that are associated.
Let's just say there is actually something that is referred to as bullet drop from 200 yards. I don't think you're talking about that much bullet drop, if any at all. And what that means is very simple. What that means is when a round is fired, just like every person on Earth, we're all impacted by gravity. Well, projectiles are no different. So gravity is going to begin to pull that round actually down like this. So let's just say that individual may have been aiming, you know, for center mass of someone's head. It could drop, you know, potentially that much, but you also have crosswinds. You have tailwinds. All these other things kind of affect it.
They can get a generalized idea, though, and they're going to do quite the recreation that will eventually be presented in court. I can guarantee you that. And that was kind of leading up to my next question. We heard reporters say this morning that it's still set up. The tent that Charlie was under is still there. It's kind of like they've not touched it and it's been close to 48 hours since it took place. Um, talk a little bit about that and processing such a large scene. There were so many people there. Yeah, there are a lot of people and you know, I was chatting with somebody earlier uh talking about video. I mean, we don't go anywhere without these dog on things in our hand. And when you go to uh an event like this with such a high-profile subject, uh people are going to be videotaping everywhere. So, you've got multiple POVs. Uh the question is how many people fled just out of fear and they left, they took the evidence with them. Uh you're going to have multiple perspectives, which is completely different. You know, you talk about, you know, like people have thrown out the JFK assassination. You had one POV and that was the pruder. Well, there may have been others, but the supper, you know, nobody had phones back then, you know, to videotape these things. They're going to lock this down. And let me tell you, let me just break this down to you because it's that is not the only scene you have here. This is how complex this is. So in forensics, what we teach here is that you've got primary, secondary, and tertiary scenes. So with the the site where Charlie was shot, that's going to be your primary scene. The roof is a scene. Where the weapon was deposited is a scene. This guy's doicile is a scene. His car is a rolling scene. If it was parked, we've heard information it may have been parked in a church. We don't know. We haven't been able to confirm that yet. The car may have been, you know, in a parking lot somewhere there. That is going to be that was a conveyance for him to show up in order to perpetrate this scene or this this crime. That's going to be a scene. So, any other location, it's not just about in the heart of this university, the scene being locked down in the tent and good on them that they've done that. There's going to be a lot of other spots that are locked down. This is a massive undertaking. I think one of the and again this is just me stating an opinion here but I think one of the biggest concerns particularly nowadays was this suspect affiliated with anybody else was there anybody else involved because if his level if if his if he has comfort with this level of violence if he has if there's anybody else in his cohort you really want to try to figure out if they're capable of this as well and interdict that situation. So there's there's a lot. It's not just that this is this is solved and that we're going to move on. No, no, no, no. That's that's not how this works at all. This is going to be a very complex uh investigation moving forward. And we heard um the FBI and law enforcement say this morning that, you know, this is a historic arrest. It happened in a historic amount of time is basically what they were saying. Do you think that Do you think that it was very quick from what they were basing this off of? I I don't know that I would use the term historic. Uh but I was impressed with how quickly the arrest was made. Uh yeah, historic is not necessarily an adjective I would use for this. Um, I think that it's an example of everybody working together and that's one of the biggest that's one of the biggest problems that you have with any investigation that's multi-jurisdictional. Uh, because the feds are involved in this. You've got the state police in Utah. They're involved. You have local constabularary including probably campus police officers and the town's police. Everybody is involved in this. If you can get everybody on the same sheet of music, it makes things flow quite quite easy. I think one of the the really interesting things that that they did pretty quickly, and this kind of shocked me, is how quickly those images um got out there from the you know, those kind of infamous stairwell images where they've got these captures out there. That that is so impactful now because again, you can't you can't escape from it. If law enforcement can do that, they've got now it is literally, you know, the military says force multiplier. You've literally got thousands and thousands of sets of eyes now on this guy. Anywhere he's ever gone, anything he's ever done, friends, families, enemies, it doesn't matter. They're going to be visualizing this. And I think you'd probably agree with me, Gracie. This is one of the hottest stories in the news. You got eyes all over this thing. And it's because they released those images so quickly that I think that this led to to affecting an arrest to tracking him down. And they've always known more than they had initially released. I'm sure you know this this arrest took place I think as we're speaking right now probably in during the 10:00 hour PM last night. And so and it was kind of done without a lot of fanfare, right? Uh we didn't hear it. It wasn't like busting loosely. There were rumors all over the place, but it was confirmed this morning by the president on
Court Footage of Charlie Kirk’s Assassin DOESN’T ADD UP! Tyler Robinson Body Language EXPOSED! The Behavioral Arts Sep 19, 2025
Something is seriously off! This week, multiple major news outlets, aired Tyler Robinson’s first court appearance after being charged as the alleged assassin of Charlie Kirk. But when you put the clips side by side… the footage doesn’t match. The text exchange between Robinson and roomate, Lance Twiggs are also drowning in red flags. In this video, I break down the courtroom video mismatch AND text exchange to expose the oddities of this case. What do his body language, facial expressions, and word choice reveal? Find out now!
Transcript
What was Tyler James Robinson's belief or perception regarding Charlie Kirk's political expression? What's going on everyone? Welcome to the behavioral arts. My name is Spidey and I use my degree in sociology and psychology, my certifications in criminal interrogation and body language analysis, and my experience as an award-winning mentalist to teach people behavioral analysis and practical psychology on stage and television shows all over the world. This week's case is a doozy. There is so much going on. So Tyler Robinson, the primary suspect in the Charlie Kirk assassination, showed up in court for the first time this week. Now, a lot of news outlets have reported that he was very stoic and non-reactive. And although that's very true for long stretches of this, there are little moments where some emotion and thoughts are coming through, but there's this really massive inconsistency that nobody is talking about. And the only reason I noticed is because I was watching two feeds of this hearing simultaneously. And something didn't add up. And from a behavioral standpoint, that distinction is huge. So, we're definitely going to talk about that. And finally, a lot of you requested that we talk about the text exchange that was released to the public between Tyler Robinson and his roommate/romantic partner. And we're going to talk about those as well, cuz there's a lot going on in there. So without further ado, let's jump right into the footage of his court appearance. 5143576, State of Utah versus Tyler James Robinson. Could you state your name? Tyler James Robinson. Thank you for being here, Mr. Robinson. I'm Judge Graph. Mr. Scortis. So Mr. Robinson, you have a right to an attorney. If you cannot afford one, the court can appoint an attorney to represent you. I have reviewed your declaration of financial status and find that you are indigent. I'm provisionally provisionally appointing a rule a qualified attorney to represent you on your case, Mr. Robinson. Uh Mr. Robinson, I also wish to inform you of your right against self-inccrimination. Anything that you say in court today could be used against you and we want to protect your constitutional rights. Mr. Mr. Robinson, at this time you will remain in custody without bail. Mr. Scortis, is there any other points that you wish to address? No. Thank you very much, your honor. There are quite a few moments in this first clip where he is giving away quite a bit. The first one is when the judge says, "Thank you for being here. I'm Judge Graph." and we get a baseline for his acknowledgement. So when he acknowledges, we get this one downward pop with the chin like this. This is something that he's going to do throughout his appearance whenever something is said directly to him and he acknowledges it. And there are a couple of very important details here. One, it's just one pop downwards. That's very important. The chin goes down. Second, he maintains eye contact. So it looks exactly like that. Immediately after the introductions, when things are about to get started, we see him open his mouth, which is rare. And we see him take a deep breath that moves up into the chest. We know that because we see a visible breath. And this usually happens when we're stressed, feeling anxiety, and that makes perfect sense here. The introductions are done. We're about to begin. Here we go. When the judge says to him that he has right to an attorney, again, we get that exact same baseline acknowledgement. Chin down, eye contact, one pop. This is exactly what he does when he goes, "Okay, I understand." Immediately after that, as the judge is saying, "What would happen if he can't afford one?" If you cannot afford one, we see his eyes slowly going downwards and his eyelids even close just a little bit. So, everything is shifting down. Now, as a general rule in body language, when we're excited or happy, things go up. We call these gravitydeying gestures, and it's even in the language, right? I'm jumping for joy. I'm on cloud nine. I'm in the clouds. These are all positive things. And when someone's in a negative mood, we use language that goes the other way, downwards. He's feeling down. He's feeling low. And we see it in the body language as well. Research has shown that we perk up with happiness. We take up more space as well. And with sadness, we take up less space and things come downwards. So, as he's talking about not being able to afford an attorney, we start to see these negative emotions setting in. Things are coming down. Now, here's where things get really interesting, especially because we've established a baseline for acknowledgement. When the judge says, "I've reviewed your declaration of financial status," again, we get that same acknowledgement, one pop downward, eye contact maintained. But as the judge goes on to say that he's going to appoint a lawyer to him, we again see a nod, but it's very different from the acknowledgement nod. This time, the chin goes upwards like this, and we see an eye block, which is a very slow blink as he comes back down. So this is a subtle difference, but for someone who typically acknowledges downwards while maintaining eye contact, this time we have pretty much the opposite of that. Chins going up as we're blocking the eyes. So the research on eye blocking is really fascinating because it shows that we're born with the reflex of doing this. Even children who were born blind eye block in certain moments. And it happens in one of two cases. So think of the eyelids as the garage doors to your thoughts. And either we're trying to keep them in or not let them come in. So you might see it if somebody's experiencing something really happy or great news. They might close their eyes as they're celebrating because they want to hold on to this emotion. Or when someone gets bad news, you might see it because they just don't want to deal with it. They don't want to focus on this thing. Before we put it all together, let's talk about the chin going upwards. So this could mean a lot of things depending on context. Research has shown that everywhere in the world, universally, when the chin goes up, this happens with pride. When we're fearless or when we're feeling proud, chin goes up. Again, remember positive up, but it's also exposing the neck, showing that we have nothing to fear. That's one place we might see it. Another place we very often see it universally as well is when it's not held, but just a quick pop with a throwaway, like a dismissal of something. Very often associated, especially in the Middle East, with the sound like this. So, like that. It's like a no, I'm I'm good. Just a throwaway. So, in this case, context absolutely matters. Notice how it's happening. just this one pop with this slow blank as he comes back down. And I think the throwaway is exactly what's happening here, especially because we have someone who acknowledges like this. So, this is very different with that eye block. I think what's happening is as he's being told about this courtappointed attorney, he's basically going, "What's that going to do?" Like, you know, I'm I'm in so deep. Like, what what's that guy going to be able to do for me? And then notice how right after that, as the judge concludes this whole thought and says, "Mr. Robinson. We get one more that classic acknowledgement like this. So we had the classic acknowledgement then this different nod and then the classic acknowledgement again. Normally you would expect okay got it. Okay. But here it's more like okay. Okay. So we're getting some negativity between those two acknowledgements. Now I want to throw a quick caveat at this and this whole context because this is an analysis of a reaction. And that's very very interesting for me because of course when we're looking at an interview or an interaction when the person's speaking, we're getting feedback. We have more confidence on our reads because we know what they're saying. We know what's in their head and the behaviors are associated to that thought. With reactions, we're not always certain. What if the thoughts wandered? What if he thought about something else when the guy said attorney? We can't really know. But keep in mind, this is literally my wheelhouse. It's where I got my 50,000 hours of practice of reading people because my career for over 18 years has been to bring people up on stage in front of an audience and I look at what I see and I start feeding things about themselves and I'm looking for these little micro gestures as I'm talking to adjust my read. And my job is to look for those little distinctions, know what they mean, call that meaning out, and have the person go, "Oh my god, how did you know that?" And the audience applaud. So I'm constantly looking for these little shifts and distinctions. So what I do, mentalism is a mix of trickery, but in the cold reading aspect has a lot of exactly this. And if I saw this in a real world context, when I'm doing a reading, someone acknowledging along like this, and then I say something and I get this slow blink with this upwards nod, I would go immediately towards conflict or negativity. I'm sensing some kind of conflict here. There was a negativity. Did you guys get into a fight? And with pretty high confidence, I would go down that path. Something is different in that nod. When the judge says, "Anything you say can be held against you," we see some stuff with the lips. So the lips go downwards like this with a bit of tension. And that happens twice. And this is one of those cases where I can't tell you with 100% certainty what is causing this. I know that online we often see comments from people like, "Oh, this means what this 100% of the time." That's just not how behavioral analysis works. And this is a very ambiguous gesture. Could it be that he's cleaning his teeth? It's possible. There's a family of gestures that are called adapters, pacifiers, manipulators. There's a lot of different names for them in the research, but they're massagike gestures that we do to adapt to stress. So, it could be with the arms, the hands, the face, and yes, sometimes we do with the mouth as well to alleviate some of that tension. But, you know, tension in the lips is also very common with withheld opinion. Like, is there something here that he wants to say, but the judge is saying, you know, don't say anything because it might incriminate you. So, he's kind of holding something in. That's why we're seeing that. There are a lot of possibilities. It's just an interesting note that we're getting this lip activity around that thought. But immediately following that, the judge says, "We want to protect your constitutional rights." And we see from him upward nods again. And I say nods because it's this bit of a bobble. It's not just this one like this. You know, very often he does these one pops here. It's this upwards like this. And I think again it's going upwards because there's a little bit of an element of dismissiveness to this. like, "Yeah, sure. You want to protect my rights? That's that's what we're doing here. That's what this is." And then notice that almost this exact same upwards bobble happens when the judge says that uh he's going to be held in custody without bail. So, it's unlikely that he knew that before this moment. The judge is probably announcing it. It's possible that, you know, whoever's representing him was privy to this information. But regardless of that, upon hearing it, we see again that upwards nod like this twice. And this time it's followed with a hard swallow. So again, it's connected to a negative thought. But basically, we keep seeing how in moments of actual acknowledgement, it's just that downwards one pop. And then in more negative emotions or in conflict motions, we're getting more of these upwards ones. I do want to talk about a few things here contextually, and one of them is what he's wearing. So that's a vest that they put on suspects who are on self harm watch. So it restrains the arm so he can't hurt himself. So that's what he's wearing. maybe lets us know that he either alluded to self harm or they have reason to believe that, you know, he might be thinking about that and they have him wearing this thing. Now, some people online have speculated because he's wearing this vest that he might be sedated or medicated and maybe that's why we're not seeing too many reactions. But I think what those people are doing is that they're connecting this kind of vest to psychiatric facilities. But that is not where he's coming from. And so I asked a lot of my friends who do exactly this for a living, work with courts, prisons, jails, at evaluating criminals. And they all said with zero disagreement that it's very unlikely that he's sedated or medicated. First and foremost, because he hasn't been evaluated psychologically and he's not in some kind of psychiatric hospital. Secondly, and this is huge, it opens the door for mistrial or an appeal. If somehow there's an adverse effect, he reacts, something happens, they could blame it on the medication and throw the whole case out and that's a really slippery slope. There is very little reason to believe that he is medicated or sedated. And that's not coming from me. That's coming from friends of mine that I asked who would really know this kind of thing. Now, we're going to move on and look at his reactions to some of the details of this case that are giving us quite a bit of information and this huge inconsistency in the way that this was reported that is so frustrating. But before we do, do me a huge favor. Hit that subscribe button, turn those notifications on for more behavior analysis and practical psychology content. And do me a huge favor and take a second to like this video because it really helps with the growth of the channel. We have filed a pre-trial protective order on behalf of Erica Kirk. We would ask the court to review that. It should be in your queue, your honor, and sign that. Thank you. I have reviewed the pre-trial protective order and will be grant issuing uh this pre-trial protective order in favor of Erica Kirk. Is there any other business that we need to address today? Council, uh just for the court's information, we did file just recently within the last few minutes a notice of intent to seek the death penalty that was filed uh by Utah County Attorney Jeff Gray. So that should be in the court's file. Um, okay. So, this one's going to be quick, but notice what happens with his eyes when Erica Kirk is brought up. That is Charlie Kirk's wife, now widow. And you'll notice with Tyler, the moment that the name is brought up, his eyes go to the left like this. And this is something he very often does when he's trying to recollect or remember data. So, often when dates come up, notice how his eyes go to the left. Or when people come up, he does this as well. And I know there are a lot of sources that say like, "Oh, this way is real recall." So when you see someone, you know, go that way, it's a lie and this way I I don't really know. But all that has been disproven. Even the people who first said that in a book, we're like, "No, no, it's really not reliable." And you need baseline. So yes, if you know that someone every time they recall, go this way and now all of a sudden they're going that way. You can ask yourself some questions, especially if there's other stuff going on. But there is no consistent pattern that has shown that this always means truth. That always means deception. Think about it. If that was the case, trials or interrogations would take seconds, not days or weeks. Because the moment somebody went the way whatever lie is, that's it. They're lying. End of story. Now, in this case, immediately after that, after this left movement, he comes back for a little bit and then the eyes go downwards like this. And again, this is associated to some kind of negative emotion. And it's a really good example here of an emotion, but again, not being 100% sure what that emotion is connected to because he's not talking. So, we don't know exactly what's in his head because what's being discussed is the protective order against Erica Kirk. So, is this negative feeling towards Erica Kirk? Is it towards the protective order? Is it towards what happened to her? The position she's in? It's really hard to know, but there is a moment of negative there. The thoughts go downwards. Now, notice what happens when the prosecutor says that they just filed a couple of minutes ago a request to go after the death penalty. And if we look at Tyler, all we see is that upwards bob like this. And this is where I love behavioral analysis because we looked at the details of his head bobs. And we know that acknowledgement is more like this. And this tends to happen in negative moments. So, we could see that there and go, okay, it's happening again. But besides that, there really isn't much going on with him. Like imagine if you were on trial and the prosecutor said for the first time that they're going to go after the death penalty. You would expect some kind of reaction to that, right? Eyes opening up in fear, looking around, some kind of pacifier adapter, like, "Oh my god, they're going after the death penalty." And with him, we're just getting this upwards nod, which we know he often does in negative moments. But besides that, like, he's keeping it together pretty well. So, I don't know what that is. Is it that he doesn't care? Is it that he doesn't want to show weakness? That he's keeping it together like really well besides this slight nod that we know is negative because we've been watching him really close. I don't really know what this is, but he's keeping it together pretty well. The defendant, Tyler James Robinson, committed criminal homicide in the physical presence of a child younger than 14 years of age with knowledge that a child was present and that may have been seen or heard the commission of c of the criminal homicide. Victim targeting enhancement in violation of Utah code annotated 76-3-203.14 sub 2. Tyler James Robinson intentionally selected Charlie Kirk because of Tyler James Robinson's belief or perception regarding Charlie Kirk's political expression. That concludes reading of the information. Mr. Robinson, this case is set for September 29th at 10:00 a.m. It will be a waiver hearing. So, there isn't much to talk about here. And that's the whole point that there isn't much to talk about. Throughout the reading of the charges, he was very, very stoic. And I first saw this in short form on social media, I think Instagram, and I was looking at and I was wondering that the clip that I saw, was this a picture of him while the judge is talking because there was stretches where we barely see anything out of him. So, the event was mentioned, the children were mentioned, and throughout this entire thing, we're getting nothing. And all this is very interesting to me because there are a lot of theories out there. You know, some people believe he did this. Others believe he must have had some other people helping him with this. Some people believe he had nothing to do with this. But despite all that, whatever the case, I would expect to see some kind of emotional reaction to what's being said here. Like for example, I know that almost anyone I've talked to about this event, regardless of where they fall on the political landscape, when they think about the children, Charlie Kirk's children, being there and witnessing that, almost everyone gets a sad reaction to that. And I anytime I think about it, I think about my own family and my own kid and this kind of thing happening. And I get really sad about that as well. So what like even whether he did this, whether he didn't do this, whether you know there was other people, why is there nothing happening when the kids are coming up? It's possible. It's very possible whether somebody else advised him or he thought of this himself that he's under the impression that he shouldn't react to anything cuz it could be an admission. So he told himself just sit there, glaze over, give him nothing because otherwise they can use it against you. Or those guys on YouTube will look at your body language are going to be like, "Oh, look, there's guilt there, so he must have done this." So I don't know, maybe he's making a conscious effort to not give any reactions. And that's exactly where this gets really interesting and frustrating. and I discovered something that no one else has talked about and I don't blame them because what happened to me was very specific. So what happened is I first saw it on Instagram and I said, "Wow, this guy's not giving him anything." And then when I was going to do this analysis, I went on YouTube and I searched for the whole footage and I came across the version on ABC News and as I was watching it, I saw something completely different. Watch this. Tyler James Robinson intentionally selected Charlie Kirk because of Tyler James Robinson's belief or perception regarding Charlie Kirk's political expression. That concludes reading the information. Mr. Robinson, please tell me you noticed the difference in this version when the judge said that Tyler intentionally selected Charlie Kirk because of his belief or perception of Charlie Kirk's political expression. As he's saying that, as he's saying because of Charlie Kirk's political expression, we see Tyler nod downwards the same way he does when he acknowledges things. And in that moment, I'm looking at that going, "Wait a second." like this whole time he was stoic and this one moment during this slip up where he's going, yep, that's why I did it. Burk's political expression that but there was a little voice in my head that was like wait a second I saw this on Instagram earlier and he never acknowledged anything. I was looking specifically for that so there's no way I would have missed that. So I took both clips. I took the ABC News one that I was watching that has tons of views online and then I compared it directly to another one that I found that was from a news source in Salt Lake City and I synced up the audio to where the judge is saying the same thing and I looked at Tyler and it wasn't the same thing. In the local one, in the Salt Lake City one, all the charges are read. He doesn't react. And then when the judge says that concludes the charges or whatever, when he's done, when he's concluded, that's when we see the acknowledgement like this. So Tyler goes, "Good. Okay, we're done. I get it. Acknowledge." So I'm going to play them side by side. I'm going to show you this clip. And on the right, the little box, that's ABC News. And you'll even hear that the audio is synced. And on the left is the one from the news station from Salt Lake City. And look at when that nod hits on ABC. It's an acknowledgement to the charge on the Salt Lake City one. It's an acknowledgement to we've concluded because of Tyler James Robinson's belief or perception regarding Charlie Kirk's political expression. That concludes reading the information Mr. Robinson to clarify in the beginning they were both synced and it seemed like the responses that he was giving were timed well with what was being said. And then at this moment I realized that the clips were out of sync. So I'm watching one of them and I'm watching him not react throughout and only react when it's done to acknowledge, okay, we're done. And that one, by the way, is on a network called KUTV2 News that's in Salt Lake City. But then on ABC News, one of the biggest news platforms of the country, I'm seeing this report that's been seen by tons of people out there. And when he's being told, when the judge is saying the motive for having done this, which is political expression, we're seeing an acknowledgement. And listen, you don't need to be a body language analyst to see that acknowledgement, right? The judge is saying that Tyler specifically chose Charlie Kirk because of his political beliefs. You're seeing the guy in that moment acknowledge it like this, the way he's acknowledged other things before. Seriously, what are we doing here? The year is 2025. Why does this footage look like it was filmed on a potato from the 17th century? Everything is choppy. Everything is laggy. So, what I did is I looked at both clips and tried to listen and look at the judge to see which one is more synced with his audio. And in both cases, it was again super laggy, pixelated, choppy. But it does seem like the one on KUTV makes a little more sense with the way that the judge is moving when he's speaking and the way like he puts the papers down. It looks like it makes a little bit more sense. and lines up with him finishing and Tyler just acknowledging that that concludes the charges. But I have no way of knowing that for sure. I don't know where that lie came from. And even if the judge seems synced, how do I know for sure that the feed that we're getting from Tyler is at the right time? Who's to say which of the two got it right when you have two news outlets playing the same audio, the same footage, but the guy who's on trial in one of the most high-profile cases right now in all of America, and we can't see what the guy's reaction is. Why are we even filming this? All right, thanks for listening to my rant. I hope some of you connect with why this frustrates me as much as it does, especially considering what I do for a living. But overall, we have someone where we're getting these little bits in the beginning of acknowledgement versus more negative or throwaway feelings. Then we're having someone who's pretty non-reactive for a long stretch while the charges are being read. We're not seeing any emotional spikes in places where we would expect them. Surprise, fear, a little bit of anger, maybe some sadness. These are all universal, so we would see little signs of them. We're not seeing those, which indicates to me that he's making a very conscious effort to not let anything slide because even if you weren't much of an emotional person, we would still see slight reactions to stuff. So, it takes a lot of conscious effort to not give anything. So, I think that's what's happening. But now, let's move on to this text exchange between him and his roommate, who's also a romantic interest. And a lot of people are talking about this text exchange and some weird elements to it. So, let's go through them and I'll kind of highlight a couple of things that's out there people are talking about that I agree with and then some other things that I noticed that are very bizarre to me from a behavioral standpoint about these texts. Okay, so the roommate's name is reportedly Lance Twigs and these are their texts. And on some news sources, it's presented like actual texts and then on other sources it's almost like it's retranscribed into a conversation. And there are signs there that there have been some modifications which we'll talk about in a second. But let's kind of read through this to get a bit of a vibe as to what's going on. So it starts with Tyler saying, "Drop what you are doing. Look under my keyboard." And then there's a note there that says that the roommate looked under the keyboard and found a note that stated, "I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it." So, there was a note that declared this. And the roommate comes back with, "What?" with all these question marks. You're joking, right? More question marks. Then Tyler responds with a bunch of details about where he is and he's got to go get his rifle. And he says, "To be honest, I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age. I am sorry to involve you." In a moment, we'll come back to some of the wording here that's interesting. But I really want to talk about something that immediately for me was a question mark. And it's the fact that he's saying, "I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age." So, first of all, if he wrote a letter that we saw above that he left for the roommate to reveal his plan, and if at this point he wasn't caught yet, because we know that at this point when they're texting, they weren't on to him yet. He hadn't confessed yet. Why is he confessing? If he had hoped to hold on to this secret, why isn't he? What is forcing him to let the roommate in on it at this point? We're not getting a motive for letting him in on it. Then we have the roommate saying, "You weren't the one who did it, right?" And we know that there was a note under the keyboard that said, "I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk. Now on the news, Charlie Kirk, you know, has been shot." And the roommate is asking, "You weren't the one who did it, right?" But this this is fine. This could be just like, you know, they're in denial. They're uncertain. Whatever. I'll let that go. And he goes, "I am. I'm sorry." And then the first question the roommate asks is, "I thought they caught the person." There's no, "Oh my god, are you okay? Holy Where are you? What's going on?" There's no panic. For somebody who started with what with that many question marks, right? So, this is someone who's explosive, expressive, now they're just asking these simple questions that are even about to get reduced to one-word questions. It's kind of inconsistent. You know, why isn't that panic continuing? Then Tyler responds with a mini novel with details about what his plan was and you know what he was intending on doing. Uh and this includes sentences like my drop point and uh there's one vehicle lingering. So we're getting this kind of thing. So then we have this like one word why. And then Tyler goes why did I do it? And the roommate goes yeah. So again we we've reduced it to these one-word questions now. And it's almost like instead of going like oh my god why did you do this? what's what's going on through your head? Like more panic, more questions, more it's just why. And Tyler is the one who has to expand on that. Why did I do it? Yeah. So, you know what? Let me give you my my theory now. Let's operate under the assumption that they have the right guy. I know that there are a lot of theories out there, but let's just operate under the assumption that Tyler is in fact the person who did this. And let's operate under the assumption that these text exchanges are legit. And in a moment, we'll talk about some other theories there, but let's for now just assume that they are. Right? If all those things are true, my theory is that this entire text exchange is a piece of fabricated theater to communicate to an onlooker that the roommate did not know about this plan. That's why we're getting these insane amount of details. That's why we're getting styles of communication that aren't that standard, you know, like first we have panic, then it's like why? And it's almost like Tyler is realizing that the roommate forgot their line. Like no, you were supposed to say why did I do that? So he improvised and go why did I do it? And the room goes, "Uh, yeah." And then he responds with another paragraph of motive and more details about exactly where he is and what's going on. And you would expect him to be in a panic and just, you know, he's probably shaking. He's nervous. You would expect short replies saying, you know, trying to get out of here. See you soon. Don't worry, everything's fine. You would expect these brief things, but we're getting mountains of explanations here. Then again, the roommate asks a short question. How long have you been planning this? That's the next line in this little theater. And then Tyler again goes into a flood of detail. But let's look at some of these details. So we have there is a squad car parked right by it. Not a police car, a squad car. Then again, the use of the word vehicle. As I got to my vehicle, I'm worried what my old man would do if I didn't bring back grandpa's rifle. So old man. Then again, all these very specific details of exactly what's going on. And grandpa's worried about the gun and what he's doing with the gun. All these details. And then the line for me that I just can't ignore, which is since Trump got into office, my dad, and my dad is in brackets, has been pretty diehard MAGA. So again, we'll talk about all this in just a second. And then at the end, we have this exchange, you're all I worry about, love, to which the roommate responds, I'm much more worried about you. So this is the first time we're actually seeing worry in this one line. No exclamation points, no punctuation for someone who started with a ton of punctuation. And then Tyler says, you know, don't talk to the media. don't take interviews and you know if the police come just lawyer up. And I guess this kind of relates back to what I was questioning earlier. I guess he's thinking if they find the rifle and they trace it back to him, maybe they're going to go talk to the roommate. But all that would take so much time. Like does he not understand that he'll probably get to the roommate before they do? If he's leaving now, he'll probably be able to get the roommate before they do and they'll be able to have these conversations. But he's still sending all this by text. He's like, "I was hoping to keep this till I die of old age, but then why did you spill the beans right now? You don't have any reason to believe that they're on to you. They interviewed the wrong guys. Nobody's on to you." And by his own admission, it looks like he's about to walk away from this whole thing. So already that to me was a little unclear. And then there's literal evidence that the text exchange has been in some way modified because first of all, there's ellipses all over the place, that little dot dot dot. And that's fine. Maybe they removed certain things because it's evidence or it's it's part of the investigation. That's okay. But then the part where he talks about his dad, the my dad is in those brackets that we use to specify something in journalism usually. So if the person said like he and then you know we're referencing this in an article, we we replace the he with whoever that he is in these types of brackets. So, we know that there's been some kind of modification. And it would be nice to know like how much like how much of this was changed? How much of the original are we seeing? How much was left out in those points? Because that might help bridge certain gaps. Was the roommate freaking out more, asking more questions that I would expect to see. So, I don't know what's missing. But the bigger point about this line, you know, ever since Trump got into office, my dad has been pretty diehard MAGA, is that he's calling this person my love. He's texting him a confession. They live together. They're obviously very close. These are conversations that they've had. The roommate would know that the dad has been pretty diehard MAGA. This is something Tyler would have complained about. It just seems so like these are the things that we need to say so people won't know that this was premeditated and that you knew about this before it happened. And then the last thing about this is something that there's a lot of talk about online. And I didn't initially notice all of these, but I definitely noticed some of these. I noticed that he used the word my old man and vehicle to talk about his car. But some other people online noticed some other odd terms like drop point or till I died of old age. And let me tell you what I think this is. I think it once again contributes to this whole twoerson text theater for us. So, think about how in a movie sometimes you see a character call someone and we're only seeing this one person and when the phone picks up, they go, "Hey, John." No, no, no. Whatever. Like, they say what it is. Or, "Hey, mom." No. And that's not for that conversation cuz usually when we call a friend, we go, "Hey, man. What's going on?" Like, we know who it is. They know who we are. This is for us, the viewers, to understand context. And this conversation is very similar to that. There are these things that doesn't make sense that he would be saying to Lance, but are there for us as outsiders to go, "Oh, okay. This is the the fiction. This is the theater that we're supposed to accept." I also believe based on these texts, if Tyler in fact sent these texts, that he's a bit of an outcast, a bit of a loner, and you know, it's been reported that he spent enormous time online. So, probably a little antisocial. And I don't think he's a trends setter. I think he's a bit of a follower. And I don't think he knows what cool is. So he picks up these terms like a lot of these terms. It's like he watched some war movie or police movie and picked up like squad car and vehicle and drop point. And he's using that in his language because he thinks that's what cool is. And then he watched some old movie where someone said my old man and until I die of old age. And he worked that into his little scripture into his little theater. Because if we don't look at it through that lens, this exchange between a guy who's on the run and his roommate who's also his romantic partner doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense that this is the conversation that they would have. Sorry, there's a lot of scattered thoughts. But another thing that's missing from these texts is any form of celebration. Right? This person probably had a lot of conversations with their roommate about how much they hate Charlie Kirk and how they wish somebody would do something about it. And if he's the one who did this, he's probably quite proud of himself for having finally done it. You would expect the text to be like, "Oh my god, I finally did it." Or, "I did it for us." Or some kind of celebration of this big thing that he did for them. We're not seeing any of that. And another thing that doesn't make sense, this person is suspected of having shot and killed a public figure in broad daylight at a crowded event with security and having gotten away with it. By the way, one shot. So, this person has some kind of tactical capacity, some kind of planning skill, and you're telling me that that person is going to send paragraphs of details like this over text to their roommate? Like, again, it just the level of meticulousness doesn't match. So, look, there are a lot of people out there who believe that this entire text exchange is fake. It's fabricated. I don't know at which stage. I don't know by who, but it's a popular theory out there. And if you believe that, of course, everyone's entitled to believe whatever they want. Personally, I tend to stick to not jumping to massive conclusions, but just being cautious when things are weird. And to me, this exchange seems very unlikely for a 22-year-old guy on the run with his roommate and romantic partner. Now, does that mean that the whole thing is fake and completely fabricated? Does it mean that parts of it are fake and edited for whatever reason? Does it mean that it's not fake, but the intention of it is different than what we think? Like, like Tyler had some kind of intention for these texts? I can't tell you with certainty, but all I could tell you is something doesn't add up with these texts. But I'm really excited to hear what you guys think in the comments. Let's try to keep it respectful. A lot of different theories going out and I don't think anything is invalid or 100% for sure confirmed. So, let's try to stay away from that certainty. But, let me know in the comments what you think. Why do you think this text exchange reads as weird as it does? Do you think it's been fabricated, edited, or is it a real exchange between the two with some kind of motive? What do you make of his behavior in the courtroom and that stoicism when the charges are being read? What do you make of that lack of synchronicity between two news sources where we're seeing different reactions at different moments? That one just blew my mind. Let me know in the comments what you think of all this and I will see you on the next
Netanyahu’s desperate clarification video on Charlie Kirk backfires spectacularly Janta Ka Reporter Sep 20, 2025
Benjamin Netanyahu issued at least two video statements since the assassination of Charlie Kirk clarifying that Israel wasn’t responsible for his death. But this has turned out to be a failed exercise as Trump supporters and those who knew Kirk well are questioning the motive behind Netanyahu’s statements. Rifat Jawaid asks if this is a case of there’s no smoke without fire!!
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First Gaza and now Charlie Kirk's assassination has truly exposed the rogue regime of the settler colony of Israel in front of Americans. More and more Americans are now finally waking up to the reality of Israel's brutal control of their country. They are realizing how a tiny illegal settler colony built on this stolen land of Palestinians has been destroying their vast resources by constantly sucking billions of dollars of aid every year and polluting their society with the demonic and barbaric policy implementation with the help of the compromised stooges in the Congress and the Senate. You only have to see the reaction from bloodthirsty terrorist Benjamin Netanyahu in the aftermath of Charlie Cox's assassination to truly understand why this monster is so scared of the potential fallout of his suspected role. War criminal Netanyahu currently wanted by the International Criminal Court for Crimes against humanity issued two video statements. Yes, two video statements to simply deny his role in Charlie Kirk's assassination. This was his recent video message where he kept explaining for 2 minutes how Israel didn't kill Charlie Kirk.
[Bibi Netanyahu] Joseph Goebbels, the Nazi propaganda minister, said that the bigger the lie, the faster it will spread. Well, somebody has fabricated a monstrous big lie that Israel had something to do with Charlie Kirk's horrific murder. This is insane. It is false. It is outrageous. Charlie Kirk was a giant. A once in a century talent who defended freedom, defended America, defended our common Judeo-Christian civilization. Charlie loved Israel. He loved the Jewish people. He told me so in a letter that he sent me just a few months ago. "One of my greatest joys as a Christian," he said, "is advocating for Israel, and forming alliances with Jews to protect Judeo-Christian civilization." He encouraged me to make the case directly to the American people about how vital Israel is to US national security. He told me, "The Holy Land is so important to my life, it pains me to see support for Israel slip away."
Now, if Charlie disagreed with a policy of mine, or a decision here and there, not only did I not mind, I welcomed it. This is the essence of Charlie. This is the essence of a free country. It's exactly what Charlie stood for. And I knew that his suggestions always came from the heart, from his love for Israel, and from his love for the Jewish people.
A few weeks before his death, I spoke to Charlie. I invited him to visit Israel again. And sadly, that won't happen. Now, some are peddling these disgusting rumors, perhaps out of obsession, perhaps with Qatari funding. What I do know is this: Charlie Kirk was a great man, and a great man deserves honor, not lies. Rest in peace, Charlie Kirk. May your memory be a blessing.
Now, this hasn't convinced people on the right in the US, including those who knew Charlie Kirk very well. Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson are two of them. Listen to what Candace has to say to Animal Netanyahu's second clarification.
[Candace Owens] You guys remember that Bibi recently was on a PR blitz, despite the fact that he was fighting this 96,000 front war, because Israel didn't do nothing. Okay. He was doing a ton of podcasts in America. He went on to Patrick Bet David's podcast. He went on to Brendan Tatum's podcast. He went on to the Neelo Boy's podcast. Anybody find it weird he didn't do the Charlie Kirk show? Bibi very quickly told us that Charlie, it's implied, was penning love letters to him in May. "I just love you so much." It's amazing. They were so close. Bibi just hits him up like, "Hey, I know we're fighting this 97,000 front war because we're always the victims, but do you want to just come and maybe stay at my place for the weekend here in Israel?" Like, that's the vibe that Bibi was rushing to present to the media. So, why didn't you do Charlie Kirk's show? I'll leave it as a question for you guys. Common sense. Common sense.
Okay. I don't like small lies. And remember, Bibi started this. I am responding to his shameless misrepresentation of what Charlie was going through, and what Charlie was saying, because and I want to be clear, to me right now, it feels -- and I'm using a corporate term here -- a bit like a hostile takeover. Okay? Charlie builds the company organically on the basis of Charlie's honest ideas. Suddenly, that company's got a lot of money, and Charlie's honest ideas are starting to change, or maybe add more color, and now he's getting financial threats. He's being called names. He increasingly is being told who and what he's allowed to speak to. And he's taking a stance. He is taking a stand privately to these people. And then it doesn't matter anymore, because Charlie's dead, and those very same people who were pressing him, are now very quickly trying to set in stone that the energy of Charlie is that Charlie died for Israel. "He's just one of us." Nobody asked any more questions.
That is literally untrue, and we're not going to allow it. It's just not true.
As for Tucker, he has gone on record to explain how Charlie Kirk despised Netanyahu, and that what he said was completely untrue.
[Tucker Carlson] Charlie didn't hate Jews. He loved Jews. He had tons of friends who were Jews. He loved the state of Israel. He loved going there. He did not like Bibi Netanyahu. And he said that to me many times. And he said that to people around him many times. He felt that Bibi Netanyahu was a very destructive force. He was appalled by what was happening in Gaza. He was above all resentful that he believed Netanyahu was using the United States to prosecute his wars for the benefit of his country, and that it was shameful, and embarrassing, and bad for the United States, and he resented it. He didn't hate Netanyahu. He wasn't out there with a placard saying that. But he certainly expressed that to me, and a lot of other people. And there's no question that Bibi's defenders on the Internet will call me a liar, or a kook. But that's a fact. And enough text messages exist that I think it can probably be verified in pretty short order. Not that it needs to be, because that is true.
Shortly after that speech, there was a very intense attack on Charlie, and to some extent on me. Not that I really noticed.
Charlie Kirk was a divisive man. No doubt he held deeply offensive views about people of Gaza, and Muslims in general. But Israel's illegal attack on Iran was perhaps the turning point for him when he began to openly criticize Israel. But what may have left the rogue regime of war criminal Netanyahu increasingly alarmed was this video here. Charlie Kirk was openly challenging the legitimacy of the Gaza genocide. He literally implied that the 7th of October attacks were Netanyahu's own creation.
[Charlie Kirk] I got to be careful the way I say this. They're going to try to ethnically cleanse Gaza. And I don't use that term lightly. They're talking about basically removing 2.5 million people from there. And honestly, they have a mandate to go seek justice and revenge. They do. There is this idea that they need to have a truce, or a peace treaty. That's morally crap after you see women and children being burned alive and dragged into the streets. But there are some serious questions here, Patrick. And let me tell you, my pattern recognition over the last 5 years has become pretty sharp: COVID, Maui fires, you know, Epstein. When I see a story and it doesn't click, our guts are usually right.
So I've been to Israel many times. The whole country is a fortress. When I first heard this story, I still had the same gut instinct that I did initially. I find this very hard to believe. I've been to that Gaza border. You cannot go 10 feet without running into a 19-year-old with an AR-15, or an automatic machine gun that is an IDF soldier, right? The whole country is surveilled. And so, let me just kind of go through this.
We don't talk about Israeli politics very often, and most Americans don't know this. In the last 9 months, Israel is on the brink of civil war. It's not an exaggeration. There's this judicial stuff. There were hundreds of thousands of Israelis taking to the streets because Bibi Netanyahu was basically redefining the Israeli constitution. That's not an exaggeration, right? He said the judicial branch has too much power. There were protests planned this week against Netanyahu where they anticipated tens of thousands of people to take to the streets. That's all gone. Netanyahu now has an emergency government, and a mandate to lead. I'm not willing to go so far as to say that Netanyahu knew, or there was intelligence here, but I think some questions need to be asked. Was there a standdown order? Was there a standdown order?
We have learned from reporting in the Israeli media that when the organizers of the Nova Festival called for the IDF's help at 7:00 a.m. on the 7th of October, the organizers were told to fend for themselves. In fact, the first IDF soldier to arrive at the scene was at 300 p.m. 8 hours after the call for help was made. And how long did it take for Israeli terrorist to launch the genocidal campaign in Gaza? Just 4 hours. So it took them 8 hours to send an IDF soldier to the Nova festival scene, but they waited for just 4 hours to start slaughtering Palestinians. Listen to this man, Ben Swan from Truth in Media.
[Ben Swan] YouTube has now taken down a video in which Charlie Kirk questioned whether or not on October 7th the Israeli government issued a so-called standdown order.
[Charlie Kirk] Was there a standdown order? Was there a standdown order? 6 hours. I don't believe it. Israel's the size of New Jersey. When I took a helicopter ride from Jerusalem to the Gaza border, it's 45 minutes. Wow. 6 hours they're live streaming the killing of Jews. Did somebody in the government say stand down?
Well, the reality is that Charlie Kirk, in his questioning, was exactly right. Last year we put together a series of videos specifically about October 7th. In it we talked specifically about this issue. Was there a standdown order that was issued by the Israeli government that prevented the military from going in and rescuing people, taking them out of this situation where they were being held by Hamas? Again, what Charlie Kirk said there was correct.
But here's the proof that backs it up. Once the Hamas attacks began, the time it took the Israeli army and rescue teams to arrive, fight, and rescue Israelis at the different Kibbutz communities, and sites being attacked, that ranged anywhere from 4 hours to more than 20 hours. Even the New York Times has reported, "thousands of soldiers were less than 40 minutes from the towns that were under attack. So, why did it take so long for help to arrive?"
And we've discussed how days before the festival, two entire brigades of soldiers were taken away from the area of the Gaza border, and sent to the West Bank. And you might think that immediately upon receiving information of a devastating attack on partygoers, that military authorities would alert units to immediately exit their bases, race to the site of the conflict, and go on the counterattack. Right? But that's not what happened.
Haaretz reported, quote, "At 7 a.m., the party organizer, called Lieutenant Colonel Elad Zandani, the man tasked with approving the festival, told him that terrorists were shooting the partygoers. He suggested that they fend for themselves."
The first IDF forces arrived at the party scene at 3:00 p.m. That's 8 hours for response time for one of the most efficient, capable, and well-militarized security forces in the world, operating in a country the size of New Jersey, with their Gaza division only a few miles away. What makes it even more strange, around 4 hours into the Hamas assault at 10:46 a.m., Israel was already launching operations and bombing targets inside of Gaza.
So, hold on. Let that sink in.
And then we have reams of evidence to suggest that most of those killed at the Nova Festival were by Israeli terrorists themselves under the so-called Hannibal directive.
So why was Charlie Kirk a threat to Netanyahu? That's because Kirk wasn't just a MAGA supporter, or MAGA podcaster. He was arguably the only MAGA youth icon so close to Donald Trump that there were open suggestions that he should be running for the White House in the future. And this was a frightening prospect for Netanyahu. Israelis hate bad PR, but when the person responsible for that adverse PR, or publicity, has the potential to occupy the White House, and become so powerful that he would be in a position to dictate major policy decisions, this would mean a death to the idea of the settler colony of Israel.
This is the philosophy that drives Israeli terrorists to use their lobby groups to keep blackmailing members of the Congress and the Senate. They're billionaire donors are there to ensure that people like Marjorie Taylor Greene aren't reelected for being a pain in the neck to Israel.
So when people raise suspicion on Netanyahu's clarification, they are right. As they say, there's no smoke without fire.
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Max Blumenthal: Charlie Kirk’s Story FALLS APART Dialogue Works Sep 20, 2025
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Hi everybody. Today is Saturday, September 20th, 2025 and our new friend Max Blumenthal is here. Welcome, Max. Great to be on the show. Big fan. Please subscribe and hit the like button to help us reaching more people. Max, let's start with what has happened in the United States. the assassination of Charlie Kirk and the way that the Israeli government specifically particularly Benjamin Net was reacting to what has happened in the United States. What is his obsession with the case of Charlie Kirk? Yeah, I've lost count of the amount of videos, the number of videos that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has released and the interviews that he has conducted specifically about Charlie Kirk since the conservative operative was killed on September 10th. But Netanyahu immediately weighed in with prayers about Charlie Kirk just minutes after he was killed. It was eerie. His body was still warm and Netanyahu was beginning to claim Charlie Kirk's legacy. I've been writing about Charlie Kirk for 10 years now. He was not just one of the most important conservative youth activists, he was also one of the most critical gentile assets that the self-proclaimed Jewish state controlled inside the United States. and he had started to move away from the Israeli line and specifically Netanyahu's line and even uh entertain the possibility of publicly calling for Netanyahu to resign because he privately despised Netanyahu in the months before his death. He was under enormous pressure from Zionist activists who are close to Netanyahu. basically Netanyahu's cutouts and the millionaires and billionaires that Netanyahu presides over inside the United States. He was under enormous pressure to kind of fall back to stop providing a platform to Israel critics at his TPUSA events like Tucker Carlson or Marjgery Taylor Green. And Charlie Kirk was resisting. So Netanyahu sought to paper over all this history and this reality which was mostly taking place in private, but which people who paid close attention to Charlie Kirk like me knew were take knew was taking place because of the public statements he was making, complaining about all of this Israel lobbying he was being subjected to. And why can't he care most about his own country and not this foreign country? So Netanyahu seeks to bury that history and to make Charlie Kirk out to be the hero of Israel after his killing. And he starts carrying conducting interviews on Fox about how much Charlie loved Israel. Then he introduces a video on Twitter X. Netanyahu personally speaking to a camera about a letter Charlie had written him based on an in an invitation Netanyahu extended to Charlie Kirk two weeks before his death to visit Israel on a propaganda trip which would have ostensibly been paid for by Israel. And Netanyahu didn't say whether that whether Charlie Kirk accepted his invitation. The reason Netanyahu is doing this, just to answer your original question, was because Israel requires American Christian, mostly conservative men to fight the war of Armageddon that Netanyahu wants against Iran, just as it required them to fight Israel, the war Israel wanted against Iraq. And so they need to keep the MAGA base on their side. And Charlie Kirk would have been the perfect symbol for that. And then the gray zone comes in and screws everything up because I had been talking to friends I knew of Charlie Kirk about this transformation he was experiencing in private. And my article about that and how he personally detested Netanyahu was one of the most viral pieces we have ever published at the Grey Zone. And I followed it up by exposing uh we broke the story at the gray zone by exposing the secret summit that one of Netanyahu's top billionaire cutouts in the United States, Bill Aman, had convened in the Hamptons where basically Charlie Kirk was supposed to uh oversee a um influencer summit where influencers were going to be paid to generate millions of clicks and impressions for Israel and everyone got invited on a propaganda tour to Israel. This was not supposed to be known. And what and the the summit devolved into what was described to me by one attendee as a disaster when Bill Aman, the billionaire donor close to Netanyahu, started challenging and pressuring Charlie Kirk about his views on Israel. And then another Zionist influencer, this young British lawyer who is one of the biggest Zionist thugs in London trying to get every po protester arrested. Uh her name is Natasha Heddorf started screaming at Charlie Kirk. And um you know when this got out there, Candace Owens subsequa, associate of Kirk, longtime friend of Charlie Kirk, subsequent to the publication of my article about that influencer summit, Candace Owens goes live and provides more details about the summit. And from there, the entire Zionist world of bigwigs and donors and operatives who are close to Netanyahu in the United States launches goes into full meltdown mode and launches this allout campaign to destroy Candace Owen's reputation. Uh, you know, they're falsely claiming that uh the gray zone's funded by Iran. They're trying everything they can to discredit this reporting. And then finally, Netanyahu does another video where he comes out and announces on his own on the prime minister's own channel on Twitter X and other social media networks that he did not kill Charlie Kirk. I never accused him of killing Charlie Kirk. I said there was no evidence that Israel killed Charlie Kirk. But he felt the need to proclaim that Israel killed Charlie Kirk. and he begins denouncing everyone uh who has reported that Charlie Kirk actually didn't like him. So this got all the way to Netanyahu and he is in full panic mode. And again the reason why Netanyahu is panicking, the reason why these uh this Zionist network in the US is panicking is because they are losing their last base of support which is actually their most critical base of support. what Israel lobbyists referred to as Israel's safety belt in the Bible belt. And it's that base that they require of Christian young white mostly yeah white men who will go and fight Israel's wars on their behalf against Iran and its allies. Yeah. Max, I think what's happening in the aftermath of the assassination somehow. How did you find the way that the government was dealing with the information coming out? They came out, they talk about the outfit of the guy who seems to to have assassinated Charlie K. And then Candace Owens comes out and tells us another story. Here is what FBI said. Um, so when he's first spotted on campus, he has different clothing on and then he changes clothing on the roof and then changed back into that clothing at some point so that when when he was uh when he was apprehended when he when he was arrested, um, the clothing matched the clothing he had on before the shooting. He it seems that he was somehow obsessed with his outfit and he he needed to change it. Here is what Can Owen said. What happened? Something made its way around the entire town and into my tips line repeatedly. It is a very clear image of Tyler Robinson allegedly taken. I'll say allegedly for safety here, but it's looking right according to my timeline. Allegedly taken at 6:38 p.m. at a nearby Dairy Queen. Here is that photo that we can show you. Just take a look at this photo. What is wrong with this picture? A lot is wrong with this picture. First and foremost, 6:38 p.m. You just shot someone. Uh you have gone through great pains to hide your face, to change your outfit. But wait, you didn't fully change your outfit, did you? I'm looking at this photo and uh you're wearing jeans and you're wearing the maroon shirt. Now we have a 50/50 combo of the outfit and now you're showing your eyes and you're not fearful at all that you might be recognized. Also, wow, you must have quite the stomach. You don't have a record. Next thing you know, you shoot someone and you're like, I'm just gonna go have a meal. You don't seem to be too shaken or too Yeah. Not just this, you see the text that they have released, the communication between Taylor Robinson and his partner is somehow it's amazing the communication between the two. It seems long before from I don't know 50 years ago two people are talking to each other. Yes. My love. Uh my love. I'm going to retrieve the vehicle and then dispense of the rifle at the drop point. It's something like um a federal law enforcement official would write a who's over the age of 60. Like is this how 22 year olds speak? And why do the text messages have no timestamps? CNN actually had to take the to dramatize the text messages. They actually created a graphic that made it look like you were reading your own iPhone, but there never it was adapted from the charging documents, which had no timestamps, which had this obviously inauthentic language. And then subsequently, we learn that the text messages were quote unquote reconstructed. Okay, this is bizarre. The FBI director, Cash Patel, said that a manifesto was found, but that it was destroyed and it has to be forensically reconstructed. So maybe he's referring to the text messages which conveniently dis contain a confession of every aspect of the plot. like you're going to go and do that and try to get away and then you're going to conveniently confess to your lover in antiquated language every aspect of the plot. That is when I went from a uh guy who was willing to accept the official story to a just asking questions guy and then more inconsistencies start to come out. And it's not just the inconsistencies, it's what we don't know based on what we know right now. The evidence is grainy footage of the shooter on a roof. We just see the movement of someone on a roof and someone jumping off who vaguely resembles Tyler Robinson. Then we have footage, a photograph of someone who is said to be Tyler Robinson walking upstairs. Why do we not have the video? That was not a photograph. That's from a video. So why can't we see the full video of him walking up the stairs so we can match the resemblance? Then there's the Dairy Queen photo which raises questions. How did he get to Dairy Queen 15 minutes after the shooting? It said, I believe in the charging document, that he was on the roof for one minute before firing the fatal shot, which supposedly hit Charlie Kirk in the left side of his neck uh from about 150 to 200 yards away, which you know, talking to an AR I talked to an army veteran around about this who uh took the army shooting test and passed the test. They have to take shots like that and it's not but it's not impossible for a civilian to be able to do that especially with a 306 rifle which is you know very very accurate but we don't know the caliber of the wound because we don't have the autopsy report yet. It's it is up to the family to determine whether the autopsy is public or private I believe. So, it may be the Kirk family has decided not to release it. But then there's footage which shows blood emitting from the wound to the front and it's a very large wound which resembles a potential exit wound. There was a camera filming from the back which was removed. We can see the removal of that camera by um I've been told it was uh someone associated with TPUSA who removed that camera, but we haven't seen the footage from it yet. I don't even know if the FBI has subpoenaed that footage. But that footage would kind of put to rest the theory that Kirk was potentially shot from the back and that the wound that we see was actually an exit wound. Um the motion of his head is seems to be consistent with him being hit from the right side. And then you have the question of the bullet itself. Where is the bullet? The bullet has not yet been found. Uh I've been hearing some just rumors. I have no idea if they're true that the bullet will not be found, which means that it may have lodged in a uh bone in Kirk's spine or brain, which raises further questions about the direction of the shot. Was it a clean shot through this part of his neck, or did it penetrate through the right side, starting here at the base of his skull or lodging in his spine and then causing an exit wound? Look, I'm no expert on ballistics, but there are just questions many people are raising now because the no one knows what the official story is. And there are there's just a lack of evidence. And again, I would totally be content to accept that this young man had maybe started suffering from some kind of mental illness or had um developed uh attraction to a trans lover, a roommate who was transitioning from male to female and was offended by Charlie Kirk's commentary about trans people and sought to kill him for that. Be fine accepting that. But based on the evidence that the public has, if I were his lawyer, I would potentially plead not guilty because there's enough case for him to establish reasonable doubt if he had like a fair judge and jury. The government needs to come up with more evidence. It needs to present it to the public and there needs to be a credible investigation here um before to to to put all of these theories to bed. And again, a lot of these theories which I have not accepted focus also on Israel as Benjamin Netanyahu has acknowledged. Yeah, Max, when it comes to this support to Israel in the United States, it seems as you've mentioned, there's so much concern of the people, the young people in the United States that they're not anymore supporting Israel because of what's going on in Gaza, what's going on in the Middle East. But how is this movement going to be considered by Israelis as the last chance of Israel to have something to do something in the United States? How important is this movement for Israel? Well, it's it's critical. It's critical to Netanyahu as well because of where Israel is going politically. This is what my book Goliath, which I published in 2013, was about. It was about the consolidation of Israel as a Israeli politics and Israeli society as right-wing messianic, essentially fascist. And I think my book painted a picture of a society that was primed for genocide. And then I went to Gaza the following year to cover Israel's war on Gaza in 2014, um, Operation Protective Edge. And what I saw was sort of a pilot program for a coming genocide. So what's happening now has been in the works for a long time. And the government that came in with Netanyahu, these uh messianic fascist figures like Idomar Beng and Bezel Smokrich, I used to see them when like I would go in the Knesset for an interview. I would see them walking around and they were on the move and everyone kind of disregarded them as uh these obscure figures, but I could see that they had a long-term agenda and they really had the they they had their finger on the pulse of Jewish Israeli society. So, Israel is transformed. Netanyahu is sort of holding together the government and in a way he sort of exists at the center of where Israeli society is. But then you have American society which is moving away from that particularly among Democrats and even among Jewish Americans who are not uh who don't exist within these kind of closed Jewish communities like you see in New Jersey and Long Island who just kind of have assimilated into American culture. They have no appetite for supporting the kind of politics that Netanyahu res represents. So Netanyahu's only base among the American public is exclusively within the Bible belt among Christian evangelicals who voted for Trump. But they themselves are moving away and there they're starting through the interventions of Tucker Carlson and Marjgery Taylor Green to learn that there are Christians in Palestine that there is the St. Profurious church in Gaza City which has been under attack which has existed there since the um 8th century and this has been transformative for them. So Netanyahu sees he's losing his last base and all he's left with is the 1%. The influencers who are just Jewish Zionists who have no who have no ability to re who are losing their own ability to communicate with the conservative grassroots. I'm talking about Ben Shapiro whose Daily Wire company has been collapsing. Uh they canceled their credit cards last year. They're like ending their their their office space. They're leaving their office space in Nashville. Mark Levvin at Fox News, he's just an artificial construction of the Murdoch family. He doesn't have an actual base. These are Netanyahu's voices in the US. And then he has his billionaires, the Bill Amans, the Ron Lawers. And so what they're trying to do is they're trying to take TPUSA, which Charlie Kirk controlled, and what they've been trying to do for years, is take this, which is a a political empire that has an annual budget that's larger than the municipal budget of many small American cities and use it as a host body for their agenda to prevent the conservative grassroots exodus from Israel's uh, you uh to prevent the conservative grassroots from turning on Zionism. And then all of a sudden, Charlie Kirk realizes his own grassroots base that he commands at TPUSA is in full revolt. They're disgusted by the genocide. Some of them are disgusted by the genocide in Gaza. But what really upsets them the most is they start to see that their own government is under the control of a foreign entity and that Netanyahu seems to even control Donald Trump. And so Charlie Kirk has to bridge the divide between all these billionaire Zionist donors who built him up and helped create his political empire and the grassroots. And the contradiction can no longer be squared. In the I mean, if you're watching this now, I'll have a new report up at the Grey Zone. In the days before his death, Charlie Kirk was having to carry out these Zoom calls with Netanyahu's cutouts in the US, top Zionist influencers and donors almost every day. And they were breathing down his neck, and they were really worried about his upcoming speaking tour and what he was going to say. and they were te basically telling him what to say. Uh some people on the call were the venture capitalist Shawn Maguire who's very close to Elon Musk uh who owns a house in Israel, works at Sequoia Capital. Another one was Joshua Hammer from Newsweek who's one of Netanyahu's key voices in the media. Another person was Bill Aman who I mentioned before were on these Zoom calls and a rabbi named Pesak Wiki from I believe Virginia in the United States who runs all of these influencer programs to send uh youth Christian youth on propaganda tours of Israel. And they were telling Charlie Kirk what to say until like 24 hours before he was killed. And according to their own accounts, Charlie Kirk was arguing back. So what they face is a political tsunami in the United States and they have no way of holding it back. And that's why in the wake of Kirk's death and in the days before his death, some of these Zionist moneymen have started a full-on takeover campaign of the US media, which we can talk about. It's like a fullcourt press in the United States. Netanyahu had been waging a sevenfront war in the region and now the United States has become the eighth front and they want to prevent anyone from being able to express themselves anywhere in the digital online ecosystem by just buying it all. Yeah. Actually Pam Bondi was talking about it. Yeah. She said that there is a difference between hate speech and free speech. how they're they're using the case of the assassination and what what has happened in the aftermath of the assassination in order to somehow control the media in the United States. Yeah. What is hate speech? Alternative media. I mean, can you define hate speech? I mean, I actually I I don't have any sort of idea what they're talking about because hate speech in their mind is something defined by their sort of ideas. I don't know if we know what what that would be exactly and and hate speech has been thought of as a project of the political left traditionally. Um the left was advancing it on behalf of those who they considered to be oppressed groups who faced violence from not just right-wing vigilantes but from you state violence because they were historically oppressed. And so you couldn't, you know, hate speech laws would punish people for using, for example, the the n-word or inciting against minorities. And now in the wake of Charlie Kirk's death, the right, the political right that but really Trump incorporated has shown its own hand and wants to institute, according to Attorney General Pam Bondi, hate speech laws to crack down on their own political enemies, which represents the left, which includes historically oppressed groups. And they're going to do it to protect the 1% including one of the most privileged groups in the United States, American Jews. The Donald Trump administration came into office promising to destroy DEI programs. That's diversity, equity, and inclusion programs, which are sort of a um liberal or neoliberal interpretation of civil. It reflects a neoliberal interpretation of civil rights. It's basically if you take the class component out of civil rights and you advance minority ambitions within corporations or within the military by giving them preferential admission treatment. They want to eliminate that. But at the same time they are providing DEI programs specifically to wealthy American Jews to please the billionaire donors of Netanyahu who are simultaneously paying for Donald Trump's campaigns. So most recently the National Endowment for the Humanities which is a wing of the US government which has funded the arts and the rightwing of the Republican party has always tried to defund this entity. The Trump administration is funding it and they're now allocating the largest grant in the history of the NE to something called the Tikva Fund which is a Ludnik Israel lobby organization which counts among its board members and um fellows Bari Weiss one of the premier voices of the Zionist 1% in the US and Brett Stevens who is the in-house Israel pro- Netanyahu propagandist at the New York Times. And these are wealthy people who don't need grants or supports or support. It's just a way of paying back all of the ultraionist donors. So they've done they're the Trump administration is administering DEI, Jews only DEI, which will only actually fuel more anti-Jewish sentiment among the conservative grassroots. and they are uh going to at the same time impose censorship on those who that group considers their opponents, supporters of Palestine, Muslims, uh the anti-war movement, direct action protesters. Donald Trump is going to has just classified Antifa as a terrorist organization in the wake of Charlie Kirk's killing. What is Antifa? Again, it's like hate speech. It's something that's totally subjective that cannot be d uh objectively classified. Antifa is an amorphous network of basically anyone who wants to go out and carry out direct actions against what they consider to be fascism. And they do do property damage. and they have engaged in kind of like fist fights with the vigilante wing of the Republican party, the Proud Boys and groups like that. They usually lose. But the important thing to know here is that Antifa, while not and while not being a formal organization, is also heavily infiltrated by law enforcement. Any cop or FBI agent can just put on a mask and join their protests and get in their Discord chats. And that means that by classifying Antifa as a terrorist organization, what Trump has done is created the perfect terror factory for generating government plots to turn up the temperature and turn up the fear and then manufacture consent for more repression. This is precisely what the FBI did during the George W. Bush and Obama era when over 90% of all terror plots in the United States that were stopped by the FBI according to researcher Trevor Arensson were actually hatched manufactured by the FBI itself. They were all controlled plots. Uh, and I can rattle off some very specific ones, but you had like at one point the FBI actually following in a car behind shooters who they directed to attack a Draw Muhammad competition, an Islamophobic Draw Muhammad competition in Texas. The FBI followed the car of the shooters that they had personally groomed to attack this contest and then watched as they were shot by security. And then, you know, the public was told the terrorists from ISIS had come to shoot up this free speech competition. So, get ready for more of that under Donald Trump as Antifa is classified as a terrorist group along with unprecedented censorship and crackdown on all domestic criticism. Isn't that amazing that the case of Tik Tok is somehow you know how how they came out with the solution for Tik Tok is they're changing the Tik Tok the way they're I it seems that the tone is changing in favor of Israel that's why they're okay right now with Tik Tok what was in their mind and what are we seeing the how how how can we understand their policy in Tik Tok because We don't see that much of rhetoric that we have heard before in the initial days of the the administration. It seems the tone is changing toward Tik Tok. Netanyahu's billionaires. If you're watching this right now, by the way, I keep using that term, but look up Netanyahu's millionaires. It started with a this term kind of started with a 2007 Yet or Yediote Aronote article in 2007 in Israeli media where they uncovered a list Netanyahu had personally drawn up handwritten list of 50 millionaires and billionaires inside the United States that would support his campaigns. Israeli media has updated that list and one of those billionaires on in Netanyahu's back pocket currently is Larry Ellison whose Oracle company which is a data company was launched with support from the CIA is one of the CIA's top contractors is building data centers across the US to fuel the so-called AI revolution and Larry Ellison is a fanatical Zionist who hosted Netanyahu on his on the Hawaiian island that he personally owns on his own private Ellison Island. His son, David Ellison, is also an ultra Zionist who's been heavily involved in coordinating with the Israeli government on anti-BDS activity, anti-boycott Israel activity. And Larry Ellison is now at the forefront of a campaign to buy Tik Tok, to suppress Palestine content, which criticizes Israel, to censor influencers who are critical of Israel, who are getting millions, if not billions of impressions, and it and to create a Zionist media monopoly in the United States. Larry Ellison's son, David, is subsequently working to buy CBS News, which will then install Bari Weiss, the top media voice of pro- Netanyahu Zionism in the US, as editor. They've already brought in someone named David Weissman to be the ombbudzman, who is an Israel, a veteran Israel lobbyist. And Larry Ellison has announced his intention to buy CNN, which is already basically a propaganda arm of Israel, but through its international bureau, they've done some uh critical coverage by reporting on what's actually happening in Gaza. They are desperate to crack down on any information getting to the part of the American public that is not already educated and redpilled on this issue about the genocide that has been perpetrated in Gaza. They recognize that Israel has is facing a PR disaster that is only going to get worse in the coming weeks and months with possibly the United European Football Association banning Israel, which would be a real a very powerful blow against Israeli PR and lead to more boycots in the world of international sports. So, they're just trying to lock it down with a media monopoly. and Larry Ellison who has donated millions of dollars to friends of the IDF is close to Netanyahu is at the forefront. I should also mention uh Andre Horowitz which is a major hedge fund run by Mark Andre or venture venture capital firm. Mark Andre is also a arms manufacturer. He wants to pioneer AI drones and he's partnered with Robert Horowitz who is the son of the late ultra Zionist propagandist David Horowitz who was one of Charlie actually one of Charlie Kirk's original mentors through the so-called David Horowitz Freedom Center. David Horowitz would his main line was the Palestinians are Nazis and they should just be eliminated and ethnically cleansed. And now his son and a arms dealer, a Zionist arms dealer, Andre, are partnering with Larry Ellison to take over Tik Tok. Uh, and I should also al also note that last year the head of the Anti-Defamation League, the director Jonathan Greenblat went to Israel and testified before the Knesset that there needs to be a media blitz that replicates what Israel did with its pager attack inside Lebanon. and he and he p he explicitly recommended buying Tik Tok as part of that media or public relations blitz. And so here it is. It's all happening right before our eyes. Max, how what do we know about these donors of Charlie Kirk and the movement he has started? At some point it seems that he was receiving a lot of pressure from these people. Yeah. And because he was inviting those people who were somehow not totally aligned with the rhetoric with the official rhetoric about Israel, questioning what's going on, how how how does the US, you know, benefit from what's going on with the case of Israel? These people were mostly concerned about the United States and the long-term benefit of the United States. What do we know about that? Well, if you're watching this live, I I don't want to scoop myself, but I have a story in the works about a major Zionist donor that Charlie Kirk lost just days before his death. Uh, very significant donor. And if you go to TPUSA's campus or its office complex in Phoenix, there are six buildings there and they contain plaques which are tributes to donors who donated over 1 million. You may have to donate like 2 million now to get a plaque there. But uh this donor's plaque will never be on a building because he was so outraged by Charlie Kirk giving voice to the anger in the conservative grassroots about the Israeli takeover of the Trump administration. That's actually a term that I've heard people in and around the administration use, takeover. Like they're not happy about it. Donald Trump isn't happy about it. He's just surrendered because he's weak and afraid. And at the July at the TPUSA Student Action Summit this July in Tampa, Florida, that anger came out into the open with Tucker Carlson not only referring to Jeffrey Epstein as a Mossad agent and declaring that if you volunteer to fight for the Israeli military, as for example, Idan Alexander, this captive that the Trump administration fetted inside the White House did. And don't fight for the US military. You should have your passport stripped. Tucker Carlson also mocked one of Netanyahu's top billionaires in the US, Bill Aman, calling him a scam artist, questioning how he got his $9 billion of wealth. And this set Bill Aman off. And a campaign was launched against not just Tucker Carlson, but TPUSA itself. At that same event, uh, anti-ionist Jewish comedian named Dave Smith, was brought on stage to debate the Newsweek editor I mentioned earlier, Joshua Hammer, on just the very question of Gaza and whether it was a genocide. Debate is not allowed at these events. You're not supposed to have a debate. You crush the other side and do what your donors tell you. And Charlie Kirk wasn't doing that because he was trying to bridge the divide. he was being a little too small d democratic. So, Bill Aman launches this campaign trying to keep Charlie Kirk co-opted in bringing influencers in. But there are other donors, as I mentioned, who were so furious that they started to pull their money out of this organization. And we will never know where TPUSA would have gone or the conservative movement would have gone under Charlie Kirk's direction as he consistently moved away from the official line administered by Benjamin Netanyahu. will never know because he was killed on the first stop of his campus tour where you know every every other question or every third question was about his support for Israel and was challenging him on that issue. But we will know where this goes in the long run because first of all, no one can fill Charlie Kirk's shoes at TPUSA and he was still an important gentile asset for Israel even as he was moving away. So who who who else can they turn to uh to shill for them to push the Israeli line as this genocide continues with the ethnic cleansing of Gaza City? nobody that I can see. So, the PR crisis is only going to accelerate at this point. And I should also say that all these institutions, these social media companies and media outlets that Netanyahu's cutouts, Zionist billionaires are openly buying just to shut down criticism of Israel. They're going to become so toxic that very few people will want to watch them. They are not going to become uh more appealing to younger Americans, even conservatives. It's just going to be too obvious what they're doing. How much of the movement TPUSA was based on Charlie Kirk's character and quality of discussing with other people because we have to understand who's going to come after him and what would be the main goal of the movement in the aftermath of Charlie Kirk and it seems that his wife is just going to be the next CEO of the movement but what's your understanding of Yeah. Well, just one quick comment on his wife. I don't know her. I'm not really qualified to to talk about what she believes, but she if she says something right now or points her finger in a direction, it's like a thunderbolt coming down from Zeus and everyone in the movement must obey. And she has not said a word about what Candace Owens has been saying about Charlie Kirk's death or about Israel. And I think that's very interesting. Charlie Kirk was not going on this campus tour to host debates and foster free speech. I mean, let's be real. He was seeking doing the same thing that Twitter influencers do when they rage bait or engagement bait people on Twitter. and he was a very canny, hard-working, savvy, and to some degree cynical political operative who was trying to advance the future of his wing of the Republican party, uh, which is the Trump wing. And what the what was taking place at these events were young people were getting engaged in politics on behalf of the Trump machine. And it was a get out the vote operation. and they were being signed they were being signed up and registered and then mobilized to vote for Trump and vote for proTrump candidates in local elections. So Charlie Kirk was a critical aspect in that regard and he would make the talks as controversial as possible because controversy draws in spectators who can then be wrangled into your political operations. So, one of the last talks he was seeking to do, this you was just revealed on CNN was with Van Jones, who is a former black left-wing radical from the Bay Area who has become one of the key assets of the Israel lobby. He's basically owned by Israel. He is one of the biggest He served in the Obama administration for a brief time. I I I met him once and it was clear to me he was one of the biggest hustlers that I had ever and biggest frauds that I had ever met. And now, you know, he wears a yellow hostage ribbon on his lapel along with a Anti-Defamation League blue uh badge when he's on CNN. And he said Charlie Kirk reached out to him to have a discussion about race and crime. And that was going to be a very controversial discussion and uh it was going to implicate black people as criminals and call for harsher penalties against black criminals and crackdowns like the occupation of Washington DC which we just saw federal occupations of cities and Van Jones is going to play along. I don't think any principled black intellectual would have participated in that event. And then by playing along, the people in the crowd would get wrangled into the proTrump Republican operation. Van Jo and Van Jones probably would have been paid to do that just as he's apparently being paid by pro-Israel forces and even the Israeli foreign ministry to shill for them. Again, this is a guy who used to be uh supportive of Palestine. I'd seen him in New York wearing a kofia. And so, how how did Kirk, you know, get the idea to reach out to Van Jones? My suspicion is one of these Zionist billionaires was demanding this talk uh on uh and and they knew that Van Jones was part of their network. So uh that that's really what this was all about. That's what this campus tour Charlie Kirk was going on was about. It was about like um registering young people for the for the congressional midterms. It wasn't about fostering free speech, but you know there if you wanted to grab the mic there and challenge him, you got a chance to do that. And in the wake of Charlie Kirk's killing, the Republican party has revealed their true colors. uh especially the proTrump wing which was so critical of Biden's crackdown on speech of all of the oppressive measures during COVID where you know national guard would go through cities and tell people to get back in their houses where online cens censorship was out of control you couldn't question the official mandates without being censored I was an opponent of it but now the Republican line from Elon Musk on down the Trump proTrump line from Elon Musk on down is too wrongs actually do make a right. They censored us. Now it's our turn to use our government state powers to censor them and shred the First Amendment. And I think there's there's no way the First Amendment survives the next two to four years. And with the First Amendment gone, that means America loses its soft power. That was like the one thing that made that gave American presidents the ability to portray falsely but you know plausibly their country as a shining city on the hill. And the last component of American soft power after all of this unfettered American support for genocide in Gaza and this endless war with uh over Ukraine will be gone and both parties will have been responsible. Max on PBD podcast they had Eric Bowling and it seems that he's one of the board members of Turning Point USA. And here is what they said about Candace Owens. And it's somehow amazing they're teaming up to attack her. This is what they said. And her credibility, I mean, is going to go down the tubes because she needs to bring receipts. Bill Aman brought receipts. How long was that tweet? It's still going. I think he was there in the room. Andrew Kulovit was there in the room. You're on the board of Turning Point. Yeah. Okay. When's the last time you saw Candace Owens? In person? Yeah. 2015. 2016. Okay. Yeah. When's the last time she was at a Turning Point event? Uh, not in many years. Okay. So, let's even bias there's a even involved in Kirk's life. No, at all no question proof that Candace Owens is nothing has nothing to do she would be in in a perfect world if if they didn't have this what I already know was a is a very quiet breakup where she got too rabbit hole for him. She would be the logical heir to the TPUSA throne. But she's not she's not even invited. Correct. So this is this is their divide is Wait a minute. Not invited meaning she's not even there. Yeah. She's not she's not one of the names that you don't think she'll be at the funeral. No, no, no. I mean to say she doesn't speak at the events anymore. I mean, so that's just what you It's so good for this to happen because you guys are watching everything that I'm saying and you can watch them lie. Eric Bowling, I just don't even get this. How can you say that I have not spoken at a Turning Point USA conference in years when I literally went on tour with Turning Point USA on college campuses last year? Like I that's that's just incredible. He didn't know that I that I went uh I was on tour for Turning Point USA last year. You don't remember that happening? You know, these guys hate a lot. Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson, you and those people who are talking against the rhetoric. What is the case of what this board? It seems that what do we know about the board of TPUSA? because it's so much important with the movement and the future of the movement. Well, that was Patrick BetDavid's podcast. Patrick Bet David got wealthy through a multi-level marketing scheme or a pyramid scam and he recently interviewed Benjamin Netanyahu at Netanyahu's request and it was like a softball interview with like the Hitler of our time. Not one tough question. So, you can be pretty sure that in the wake of Charlie Kirk's killing, that will be a very controlled environment for the conservative incorporated influencers who are basically in it for the money and aren't actually trying to interrogate and question the officially administered reality as Candace Owens has been doing since she fell out of favor with them. I mean, they're basically calling on every controlled con, Inc. influencer and everyone from TPUSA's board who wants to still get a piece of the pie that Charlie Kirk left for them to denounce Candace Owens. And it's really funny that they're now saying Bill Aman brought receipts. Bill Aman uh wrote a really long tweet exonerating himself about this secret Hampton's influencer summit where he was literally buying influencers to pump out videos denying genocide in Gaza and go on propaganda tours. Like that was scandalous. And Bill Aman, a day after Charlie Kirk was killed on September 11th, said, "I was lucky to join Charlie Kirk for a meal earlier this year." Okay, you lied. That meal was actually this secret influencer summit that I exposed. I broke that story and I harpooned I d by doing so I drove a harpoon into Bill Aman's whole network because we weren't supposed to know about that. We were supposed to think it was a friendly meal with Charlie Kirk. It actually turned out Charlie Kirk was getting screamed at by Zionist maniacs frothing at the mouth about his shifting views. And someone who was also pressuring him was Bill Aman. So they're all just lying to us right now. They're lying because they want to get things back into order. Get all the Zionist billionaires back at TPUSA and get that money and then start channeling it through all of these small other nonprofits. TPUSA Action and uh America's uh TPUSA. I can't even keep track of all the names of all these different nonprofits. so that that $800 million annual budget continues to pay off the luxury cars that the administrators of TPUSA were buying for themselves. I mean, in many ways, this wasn't just a get out the vote operation. And if you contributed to it, you may not have actually been contributing to the cause. it the more I look into this organization, it looks more like what uh televangelists had done where they were just basically taking money from people. And so we have to ask questions about the the corruption of the board members at TPUSA and why they're so determined to clamp down on the truth about Charlie Kirk uh after his death. I mean, and I really think it's a question of keeping their um organization afloat and keeping the gravy train flowing. These are these are like when I say Khan Inc., it's like a pun. It's a play on words. It's not just con like conservative. It's it's a con like a confidence game. Is Donald Trump afraid of Netanyahu? If so, is that because of Epstein files or something beyond that? He's afraid of the Epstein files. So is Bill Aman. Bill Aman was an Epstein associate through his wife Neri Oxman who was gifted a $150,000 through her lab at MIT. She's a designer and architect, this really pretentious designer. and she gave Bill Aman a an orb, an artistic orb as a gift afterwards and kept it secret because MIT kept all of Epstein's gifts secret and that came out in the media and Aman was furious. So all of these people have these connections to Epstein and they're afraid of it. What but what Trump is afraid of is Netanyahu's ruthlessness and clear insanity. I mean, I'm hearing from people who are like peripheral to the Trump administration that they thought Netanyahu coming out on his own and volunteering that he did not kill Charlie Kirk was insane and that he's losing his mind. But I mean, if you look at what Netanyahu is doing regionally, he's carrying out a regional assassination campaign, killing everyone who gets in his way. They tried to kill the entire Hamas negotiating team inside a US ally. Uh, Trump did not like that. But what did Trump do to push back against that? What did Trump do when Israel notified him in advance of the attack? Nothing. There's nothing Trump will do to get in Net Netanyahu's way. And that's because Donald Trump is afraid of what Netanyahu would do to him. And so, I've said this on other podcasts and I wrote this, I reported this. The Trump administration through the Secret Service discovered two electronic devices on Secret Service emergency response vehicles this year around the time of Netanyahu's visits. They were planted by Israeli agents. That's according to a very good Trump insider source. Now, I wouldn't I probably wouldn't have reported it because I can't corroborate that with the Secret Service. I don't have like some deep source inside the Secret Service. And so if I asked their PR department, their comm's team, they would say, uh, no, we we can't comment on that. But there's a precedent here. In 2019, three former US officials, senior officials from the Trump administration, confirmed to Politico, one of the most mainstream outlets in the US run by the pro-Israel Ax Axel Springer Company, that Israel had planted Stingray devices in and around the White House to spy on Donald Trump's phone communications. We know that Tony Blair when he took his team to Israel would tell them to not bring their talk on their phones or have sensitive discussions in government cars because they would be spied on. And Boris Johnson, former British prime minister, wrote in his own memoirs in 2017 that Netanyahu himself went to his personal toilet and afterwards, Johnson's security team found a listening device in his personal toilet. So Netanyahu himself was planting surveillance devices according to Johnson. And then it makes you wonder like who could get access to the White House to plant stingray devices? It's not like any Mossad agent can just get in there. It's someone who has to be let in the White House in the first place. So this is very serious and it would be rational of Donald Trump to be afraid of someone who has that much influence over him who's carrying out assassinations inside US allies who's even weaponi who's Mossad intelligence services is weaponizing household devices as bombs and who has killed or no who has incited the assassination of his chief political rival Yetsakrain who was assassinated for signing the Oslo Accords. Also remember that Netanyahu's first boss in Israeli politics, Yeetszak Shamir was one of the authors of the assassination of Vulki Bernadot, who was the UN special liaison to Palestine in charge of implementing resolution 194 to bring back the Palestinian refugees. So they shot him in Jerusalem as he was getting out of his car as part of the Stern Gang, the armed wing of what would become the Leud Party. That was Netanyahu's mentor. So assassination has fueled Netanyahu's rise to power. And now Netanyahu is the first foreign leader that I've ever seen go out on his own on not one but two occasions to declare that he has not assassinated a top US conservative leader or leader in general who was under pressure from the Israel lobby in the days before his death. Max, you mentioned the final goal of Net is a war with Iran, a fullout war. Yeah. something big between the United States and Iran, not Israel, because they want the United States to fight the war. What is your understanding of the latest comment by the Ministry of Diaspora Affairs? He said that the new axes of evil is Turkey and Syria and Gata. This is a new sort of mindset forming in the aftermath of Bashar Assad and what has happened in Syria. Yeah. What's your take on that? Well, first of all, we need to consider that in the past week, Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State who is in control of more national security cabinet level positions than anyone since Henry Kissinger and is more powerful than the vice president. JD Vance was summoned to Jerusalem essentially to kiss the wall with a keepa on his head alongside reciprocal Israeli US ambassador Mike Huckabe, the Christian Zionist fanatic. And that to me signaled a um I saw that as a harbinger of doom in the same way that I saw Netanyahu's last two visits to Washington as part of a campaign to get Donald Trump to sign off on his imminent or his desire to attack Iran. Now, we're learning through transcripts of discussions between Israeli officials in the national security cabinet, including Al Zamir, the chief of staff, that the Israelis would not have launched their unprovoked attack on Iran in June without knowing that the Trump administration would ultimately come in and strike the Fordo and Isvahan facilities. They they knew that going in. And so Trump was going to rescue them potentially from a war they couldn't finish on their own. And so it seems clear to me given that they basically have Trump by the balls that sometime before the midterms, Israel, the congressional midterms where the Republicans are expected to lose, Israel will attempt to attack Iran again and instigate another more violent war which will draw the US in more deeply. But we're also hearing these comments about Turkey and Qatar because of the fear that they could reestablish some sort of influence inside Syria and also their efforts regionally to push back on Israel politically. And they we we many people missed this but uh many observers missed this but Israel actually attacked a de facto Turkish base inside Syria about 10 days ago in Palmira where Turkey was seeking to professionalize the Syrian military. So, Israel's recognizing with the new uh imposed government in Damascus, which was always a Turkish and Qatari card as they controlled the various al-Qaeda offshoots, Jabat al-Nusra, Hayat Alm, that this has given armed capacity to Turkey on the frontiers of Israel along the Golan. And so they're going to turn up the temperature on Turkey and fight what they call a war between wars inside Syria. Uh we should also pay attention to Egypt which controls the Rafa crossing which is the main point of exit where Gaza's war torn starving genocided refugees are supposed to exit in order to make the so-called Gaza Riviera plan possible. basically the Judaization of Gaza possible and Egypt militantly opposes this at the recent summit convened by Qatar. You know these summits are usually useless meetings and air conditioned halls where Palestinians are being ethnically cleansed. Uh Abdul Fatal Aisi made some interesting comments where he announced that it was a red line for Palestinians to be uh pushed into the Sinai, that the Sinai would become a base of operations against Israel, which would mean the conflict would come to Egypt, and that he will mobilize the Egyptian military in opposition to this, which is technically, I think, a violation of the Camp David Accords. And this is the last Arab army that is strong in the region that is actually bringing in some important Chinese technology. Um that has decent air defenses is so I think potential conflict with Egypt is on the horizon as well and that we should actually pay attention to the conference that Qatar just held and I mentioned before Israel being banned from the um uh European football association. That was one of the key items on Qatar's agenda. So, this is a not just a military war, but a political war. And finally, uh just some trivia, there are three of Qatar's top lobbyists in the US in the Trump administration in key positions. Cash Patel was a lobbyist for Qatar. Pam Bondi was the top lobbyist for Qatar at Ballard Partners and she's the attorney general and um Lee Zeldon at the Environmental Protection Agency was one of the pro-Israel influencers close to Trump that got on the Qatari payroll in 2017 when Saudi Arabia laid siege to Qatar. and Qatar thought, you know, if we if we u groom these pro-Israel figures close to Trump, then maybe Trump will push back on the Saudis. And they were sort of correct about that. So that's another reason why Qatar threatens Israel because they do have influence within Washington that a country like Iran because of sanctions and because of its historical position could never have had. Thank you so much, Max, for being with us today. Great pleasure to have you on. It's been a pleasure to join you and huge fan of the show.
Newsom SCARES Trump SO BAD he CALLS SECRET SERVICE MeidasTouch Sep 21, 2025
MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on very scared Donald Trump calling the Secret Service on California Governor Newsom as Newsom takes the fight directly to Trump in Los Angeles at a powerful event.
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Donald Trump just can't handle it. California Governor Gavin Newsome is so efficiently cleaning Donald Trump's clock that Trump's United States Attorney in the Central District of California, get this, called the Secret Service on California Governor Gavin Newsome. That's how much Nuome is living rentree in Donald Trump's head. Let me show you what went down. And let me show you the powerful press conference that California Governor Gavin Nuome had in Los Angeles over the weekend as the Trump regime was literally calling the Secret Service on Governor Nuomo. So, California Governor Gavin Newsome posted this. It was a repost of the White House imagining what the UFC fights going to look like on the White House lawn. It's an AI rendering of a massive stadium on the White House lawn where again a UFC fight is going to take place pretty soon at the White House. To which Governor Nuome says, "Thank God they are focused on the priorities of all Americans." Yep. Golden ballrooms that are 90,000 square ft demolishing the Rose Garden and creating Club Rose Garden. Donald Trump gallivanting with the royal family in the United Kingdom while Americans can't afford groceries and are worried that their healthc care is about to be taken away. Governor Nuome then posted this and this is what triggered Donald Trump's regime to call the Secret Service on Governor Nuome. Nuome writes, "Christy Gnome is going to have a bad day today. You're welcome, America." Now, Governor Nuome was saying that because he was holding a press conference in Los Angeles where he was going to be signing legislation into law that would prevent ICE from wearing masks in California and numerous other measures to protect the people of California from Donald Trump's fascist regime. That's why Governor Nuomo posted that. But then the acting United States attorney, so Trump's top attorney from the federal prosecutor from the Central District of California, this like young and unqualified guy who Trump has there who's an ultra MAGA extremist. He goes, "We have zero tolerance for direct or implicit threats against government officials. I've referred this matter to the Secret Service and requested a full threat assessment to which the Secret Service then responds in response to the statement of the United States attorney Esley referral regarding the social media post directed at the Secret Service Protectee Secretary Christine. The Secret Service writes, "Our field office is in receipt of the Department of Justice's communication to preserve operational integrity. We're not able to comment on specific protective intelligence matters. However, the US Secret Service must vigorously investigate any situation or individual, regardless of position or status that could pose or be perceived as posing a threat to any of our protectes, especially in a politically charged climate such as this. How utterly pathetic can you be for the post that Governor Nuome made? You're calling the Secret Service on the governor of California. What weak, pathetic losers they are. That's one of these things for me. These people are just freaking losers. All of them. Then Governor Nuome shows when Donald Trump posted back on March 10th, 2020 the following. Going to be a bad day for Crazy Bernie. to which Governor Nuome got the receipts from Donald Trump's 2020 post and Governor Nuomo goes, "We have zero tolerance for direct or implicit threats against government officials. We've referred this matter to the Secret Service and requested a full threat assessment. But on a very serious note, Governor Nuomo is responding to this report that reporters at the Pentagon have been told they can no longer report information which has not been approved by Pete Hexith. Those who refuse will lose their press credentials. To which Governor Nuome writes, "Your freedom is being strangled." This is how authoritarianism starts. Don't look away. We also learned that the Bureau of Labor Statistics under the Trump regime, which just had its Bureau of Labor Statistic Commissioner fired by Donald Trump a month or so ago because Donald Trump didn't like the labor data which was reported. Well, the Bureau of Labor Statistics is now postponing indefinitely key inflation data reports. They're not publishing what inflation is because they're trying to cover up Donald Trump's uh crashing economy. So, Governor Nuomo posts the pink dressed lady from North Korea. And Newsome goes, "The next jobs report brought to you by Pink Dress Lady." Governor Nuomo in all caps then goes, "Because of his horrific music, California will indefinitely suspend Kid Rock from performing in the Golden State." You're welcome. GCN Governor Nuomo post this image of ICE agents wearing masks who are now banned by California law from wearing masks. Great job, California legislature. Great job, Governor Nuome. He writes, "Governor Nuome just signed a law making California the first state in the nation to prohibit federal law enforcement officers, including ICE, from hiding their identities." He then posts this image. Governor Nuomo writes, "Happy weekend, patriots." He then um posts the following. The new laws I just enacted are a direct response to Donald Trump's lawless immigration raids and arrests in California. California is fighting to end this chaos by one, requiring schools and public hospitals to limit access and implement privacy protocols to protect against Trump's immigration chaos. Two, schools are now required to work with families and personnel to develop notification protocols when immigration authorities are present on campus. Three, most federal officers are now banned from concealing their faces. Four, most law enforcement officers are now required to publicly display their agency and name or badge number. Then Governor Nuome took the stage notwithstanding the Trump regime referring him to the Secret Service. And here's what Governor Nuome had to say. And to me, this is one of the most powerful messages I've heard anybody talk about what's going on in California, Los Angeles, across the country. But he talks about California in a way that as someone who lives in California, gives me so much pride. watched Governor Nuome yesterday in Los Angeles and one of the most powerful press conferences I've ever seen. Let's play it. Let me first try to set a scene. It's one very familiar uh to many of you, but not necessarily to some folks that may be watching uh from other parts of the country. We're here in Los Angeles, the most diverse city in the most diverse state, California, in the world's most diverse democracy. It is a point of pride. Uh we are a majority minority state California. At our best we don't tolerate that diversity. At our best we celebrate that diversity. We're a universal state. 27% of Californians are foreignb born. You heard the superintendent talk about all the mixed status families. Our status is unique in the United States of America. It's what makes California great. It's what makes America great and it's under assault by this administration. There's a word that you've never heard uttered from the president of the United States lips. Uh certainly not Steven Miller and that's pluralism. We practice pluralism. It's a deep point of pride. Those values are under assault to a degree we could have never imagined. For those of you here in Los Angeles, you deeply absorb this. You deeply understand this. You saw your streets militarized. You saw the president of the United States who in his first term never sent the military anywhere. Not overseas, nowhere. In his second term, he sent the United States Marines, active duty Marines, to the city of Los Angeles. He federalized 4,000 of our National Guard. We said at the time, it was a preview of things to come. Folks thought that was hyperbolic. They thought we were overstating it. Ask the folks in Washington DC. asks the folks uh other states like Illinois and what's about to happen in Memphis. We announced just a few weeks ago that we were standing up and pushing back as it relates to the rigging of elections. We were at the democracy center in Little Tokyo, the sacred site where we were interning and busing the Japanese, that shameful part of our past. And what did the administration do? What did Steven Miller do? What did Donald Trump do? They sent masked men to intimidate folks from walking in to that event. Masked men. Poor soul that happened to be in the area. Delivery guy delivering strawberries was detained because he just happened to be in the area. Collateral damage disappeared. These mass men had no identification. These mass men did not provide any information, name, badge number, hidden from accountability, any transparency, any oversight. That's Trump's America. But it is not the America we've grown up in. And so we're pushing back against this. And then Governor Nuome talks about the important legislation that he is signing into law. And he talks about how what the Trump regime is doing is like a bad sci-fi movie. We can't look away. He says we need to act with authority and most importantly with moral authority. Here, watch this. Impact of these policies all across this city, our state and nation are terrifying. It's like a dystopian sci-fi movie. Unmarked cars, people in mass, people quite literally disappearing, no due process, no rights, no rights in a democracy where we have rights. Immigrants have rights and we have the right to stand up and push back. And that's what we're doing here today. This is a disgrace. This is an outrage what we have allowed to happen in this country and I could not be more proud of this legislature, the legislative authors to the community demanding more from all of us at this moment to push back. I'll be signing a bill the first in the nation saying enough to ice unmask. What are you afraid of? What are you afraid of? What are you afraid of? [Applause] If you're going to go out and you're going to do enforcement, provide an ID. Tell us which agency you represent. Provide us basic information that all local law enforcement is required to provide. have the decency not to threaten people as they go to school to go out the parking lots proximate to these schools to create chill packed attendance we talked to these kids they were saying I've got one of you said I've got friends they don't go on the metro anymore it's a public space so your superintendent had the decency foresight and leadership to provide transportation That's Trump's America. Hospitals. You talk about health infrastructure. You talk about community health. People scared to death to even access a community clinic for preventative medicine. Worried that somehow they're going to be turned in or someone without identification looking like anyone else with a mask on may just jump out of a car and they may disappear. So, I want to thank the legislative leaders for asserting themselves and providing me the privilege, the ability to sign these laws, pushing back at this moment. I thought John Stewart said it best. This is not about the pronoun police. This is about the secret police. We're not North Korea, Mr. President. We're not the Soviet Union. This is the United States of America. And I'm really proud of the state of California and our state of mind that we're pushing back against these authoritarian tendencies and actions of this administration. ICE is now the largest private police force in the United States of America. And I say private because increasingly it appears to many of us that they have sworn an oath to Donald Trump, not the Constitution. A private police force whose ranks are going to grow by some 10,000 dwarfing the FBI and DEA. only comparable staffing and investments are you military operations around the globe. That's what Congress, the supine leadership in Congress provided along with the supine members of the Supreme Court that have allowed racial profiling on the basis of accent, basis location, and skin color. This is not America. And so we are pushing back firmly. We're pushing back using not just our formal authority but perhaps the most important authority and that's our moral authority. So, thank you to the members of the legislature. Thank you to the authors of these bills. Uh it is my honor now to sign into law uh four pieces of legislation that go in effect immediately upon signature and one on the masking that will formally go into effect January of 2026. With that, um let's sign. Well, there you have it, folks. Let me know what you think. Hit subscribe and let's get to 6 million subscribers together. Want to stay plugged in? Become a subscriber to our Substack at midasplus.com. You'll get daily recaps from Ron Filipowski, ad free episodes of our podcast, and more exclusive content only available at midasplus.com. [Music]