Stephen Miller SNAPS after getting MERCILESSLY BULLIED
by Adam Mockler
Sep 27 2025
Adam Mockler with MeidasTouch Network breaks down the stunning hypocrisy of Trump advisor Stephen Miller. After Governor Gavin Newsom's press office repeatedly called Miller a fascist, Miller and his supporters claimed it was a "'death threat'"
Transcript
I can't think of anyone else who
deserves to get bullied more than
Stephen Miller, Donald Trump's deputy
chief of staff, who is essentially
spearheading a lot of the most extreme
policy. I mean, don't get me wrong,
Donald Trump supports it and signs off
on it, but all reporting shows that
Trump is rather old and resigned. I
mean, he's not really a policyheavy
dude. So, Steven Miller is the one who
is rather policyheavy. He He's not a
dumb guy. He's a smart dude who is also
quite evil in his ways. and he's getting
bullied this week, not only by Twitter
at large, but also Gavin Newsome has
taken a special interest in Steven
Miller. And it's exactly what we need. I
feel like Governor Nuomo is really good
at sensing what the American people need
to hear at one point. And I've needed to
hear some Steven Miller hate from a top
government official ever since Terry
Moran got fired for saying something
simple about him. So before I play this
clip, let me run you through a few funny
things that have happened from Governor
Nuome and against Steven Miller.
Governor Nuome's press office posted,
quote, "As previously mentioned, we are
giving serious thought to taking away
Steven Miller's California residency. He
is not a great American and is, in my
opinion, incapable of being so. GCN,
it's a photo of uh Voldemort from Harry
Potter." I mean, I kind of see it. I
think I see it right there. And then
Governor Nuome's press office made a lot
of noise by tweeting out in all caps,
"Stephen Miller is a fascist." This got
7.4 million views. Because Steven Miller
then quoted it and said, "Why do you
think they posted this?" All the Trump
supporters in the replies were saying,
"Because they want you killed. Because
they're violent, because leftists are
crazy." But no, Governor Nuomo
clarified. Governor Nuome said because
you're a fascist. You see it at the
bottom. So Steven Miller says, "Why do
you think they posted this? It's
literally that simple. It's because
you're a fascist." Another Trump
supporter said, "This is a death threat.
He's calling for his followers to
assassinate Steven Miller." Dude, Trump
uses the word fascist all the time.
Trump says way crazier things. He says
the Democratic Party is like the party
of evil. And Micah points out saying
someone has an ideology that they
obviously have is not a death threat.
Like Steven Miller is genuinely actually
a fascist. And I can prove that by
playing simple clips of him. Or what
about this? Steven Miller tweeted out
just a few days ago, just yesterday on
September 26, "We are witnessing
domestic terrorist sedition against the
federal government. The JTF has been
dispatched by the attorney general. All
necessary resources will be utilized."
It says on August 26th, Steven Miller
said the Democratic Party was a
Democratic or sorry, domestic extremist
organization. on September 25th. He said
Newsome calling Trump's administration
authoritarian was quote inciting
violence and terrorism. Yesterday, he
announced Trump's EO countering domestic
terrorism and organized political
violence. Today, he says we are quote
witnessing domestic terrorist sedition
against the federal government. He keeps
going back and forth between being the
terrorist and saying that the other side
is terrorizing the government. I mean, I
want to play for you the vitriol that
this person spews. Let me show you my
clip on CNN where I essentially call out
the double standard in political
violence. This is worth a watch
right here.
Yeah, I'm pretty tired of conservatives
gaslighting about the current political
environment and Donald Trump's rhetoric
when all of this escalation can be
traced back to his entrance into
American politics. His claim to fame was
saying that Obama wasn't born in
America. He was the first presidential
candidate to have his crowd chant lock
her up about a political opponent. You
can bring up the insurrection even in
the past few weeks. my home city of
Chicago. He posted a photo of Chicago
being invaded by the Department of War.
So, the broader point here is Donald
Trump endlessly deflects and tries to
blame it on the other side when he is
the one responsible for amping up the
tension in America. And I've spent all
of my formative years throughout high
school, throughout college, looking to
the president, who I'm supposed to be
able to look up to and seeing somebody
who's trying to place blame on the left,
who's amping up the rhetoric constantly,
and yeah, it's not good. So, you think
it's Donald Trump's fault that a
deranged leftist climbed up to the top
of a building and shot up the ICE
facility? Not
Please notice how that's not what I said
at all. I was making a broader point
about the political environment that's
been created over the past decade. Never
did I say that Donald Trump caused this
dude to go shoot an ICE van. I just said
that Trump has amped up the tension and
it's so clear.
Once now, but twice in Texas.
I think it's Donald Trump's fault that
America has gotten to this heated place.
I think that
no responsibility for the for the
radicalization on the left that's
causing this violent
29year-old is radicalized by online
communities and online algorithms. I'm
not going to blame Donald Trump, but he
he was caught in a lot of online video
game algorithms and all these
communities. Donald Trump 10 years ago,
Donald Trump amped up the tension in
America. It's just
so so he ran 10 years ago and this guy
then 10 years later somehow you're
connecting. Can't you just take
responsibility for it?
Oh.
But let's not do the like he has to take
responsibility cuz he's a Democrat.
I'm a 22-y old YouTuber. You want me to
take more responsibility than the
president of the United States?
That's the point right there. The double
standard here. He He will sit there in
person, point to me and say, "You need
to take responsibility." And then when I
point to words that Donald Trump said,
like actual vitriolic words from Donald
Trump or Steven Miller, apparently this
is totally okay. party does not fight
for, care about, or represent American
citizens. It is an entity devoted
exclusively to the defense of hardened
criminals, gangbangers, and illegal
alien killers and terrorists. The
Democrat party is not a political party.
It is a domestic extremist organization.
Yeah, that's not inflammatory. What
about this next clip from yesterday?
What James Comey did is truly one of the
most severe assaults on our freedoms and
liberties that has occurred in the whole
history of this nation. John,
why does he speak like this? This guy
speaks like his pinky should be held up.
He's like, "This is the most
James Comey did is truly one of the most
severe."
If you don't want to be called a
fascist, then don't talk like an actual
fascist. Steven Miller has constantly
said that Democrats are all terrorists,
that immigrants are all violent criminal
terrorists. It's an organization of
terrorists, yet he tries to blame the
violence on the other side. The way this
dude speaks has no place in American
politics. Steven Miller, Donald Trump,
and the circle around them are basically
responsible for amping up detention in
American politics. I said this in CNN,
but you can trace it back to Trump's
entrance saying that Obama wasn't born
in America. His claim to fame was coming
up with nicknames for his political
opponents. Nicknames that, you know,
were rather crude. That was new. And
then in 2016, he said, "Lock her up.
Lock her up. You can bring up the
insurrection." All of this comes
together to paint a pretty perfect
picture. Are there crazy people online
on the far left that say things? Yes,
sure. Of course, there are going to be
crazy people online. But every single
Democratic politician is responsible
with their rhetoric. And there is no
comparison between what Donald Trump is
doing, what Steven Miller is doing, and
what any Democrat has ever done. If
Obama would have mobilized the National
Guard into one of these states, it would
be over. Governor Nuome's press office
then said, "The White House knows
exactly what it was doing when they
published a list of Democrats who have
used their voice to call out Trump and
Miller's ICE abuses. The list is now
being used by the far right as an
enemy's list. It's reckless. It's
dangerous. and it puts lives at risk.
The governor has made it clear
consistently that violence is never
justified. Trump must tone it down. Very
true. Thank God there is a Democratic
leader calling on Trump to be the first
one to tone it down rather than trying
to like both sides it or walk a line to
not piss people off. But it's just
funny. So Steven Miller uses this insane
rhetoric all the time. And then when
they say when we say Steven Miller is a
fascist or when Newsome says it, all of
the sudden like the world is burning and
political violence is coming for him.
Like dude, maybe look in the mirror.
Don't throw stones in glass houses. I'll
leave it there. Drop a like. Subscribe.
I love you all. Peace up.
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COLLAPSING Trump NUKED By LAWSUIT After Post BACKFIRES!
Jack Cocchiarella
Sep 28, 2025 Jack Cocchiarella Show
Political commentator Jack Cocchiarella reacts to Donald Trump being hit by a lawsuit as his authoritarian action backfires.
Transcript
Donald Trump doesn't care. He doesn't
care about Charlie Kirk. He doesn't care
about crime. There is nothing that
Donald Trump actually cares about except
the grift staying out of jail and
expanding his authoritarian project.
Anytime that Donald Trump says that he's
worried about something, trying to
combat it, trying to keep you safe, what
he really means is he's making up some
fear-mongering enemy that he can use to
justify becoming even more fascistic.
And the latest example might be blowing
up in his face like no other because
Donald Trump, after an insane post, is
now being hit with a nice little lawsuit
that we are going to get into and what
the effects are for Steven Miller and
Donald Trump's illegal deportation plan.
But before we do, if I could quickly ask
you to leave a like on this video and if
you haven't already and you enjoy our
channel to hit that subscribe button
because it goes a long way in supporting
our work. Now, before we can get into
the Trump lawsuit that is blowing up one
of the biggest aspects of his
deportation agenda, I want to start with
someone who has been calling it out like
no other, diagnosing how evil it is, and
that's Gavin Newsome right here.
Donald Trump sent mass men to the event,
ICE and Border Patrol, primarily the
Border Patrol to intimidate folks.
Poor guy was selling strawberries was
arrested. I imagine he must have been on
the most wanted list. dangerous felon
disappeared.
That is a preview of things to come.
Don't think for a second he's going to
stop in the National Guard. It's an
interesting fact. 4,000 National Guard
were federalized. Over 700 uh members of
the United States Marine. 95% of them
did nothing. They sat there looking for
things to do. Hundreds plus million
dollars wasted.
literally looking for an assignment.
They were taken off the beat. These are
police officers, your National Guard.
These are firefighters. These are
teachers. These are caregivers. They
were taken off the streets doing real
work to keep you safe and protected to
keep you healthy.
And they sat there in the armory looking
for something to do. He will send the
National Guard. He will send them all
across this country. And he will do so
through election day. And if you think I
am exaggerating, consider the fact that
as he demobilized our National Guard, he
kept hundreds of them through election
day. And he'll do so working in concert,
as he has with ICE and Border Patrol to
do the same.
You have the largest private police
force in the world. When they're done
with this, all that funding and that big
beautiful portrayal allows more
resources for this private police force
that increasingly is showing a tendency
not to swear an oath to the
Constitution, but to the president of
the United States, and he'll be sending
them to voting booths and polling places
all across this country. This is a real
and serious moment in US history. And by
the way, I say that as an American, not
as a Democrat. Every Republican should
be ashamed about this and scared to
death about not just these authoritarian
tendencies, but these authoritarian
actions by the president. He is weak.
His weakness masquerading as strength
and that makes him more dangerous than
most people believe. Donald Trump
doesn't actually care about these issues
and we shouldn't take him seriously.
Donald Trump earlier today said that it
was a a tragedy what took place and it
was at the church in Michigan which was
attacked by a gunman today. But Donald
Trump doesn't actually care about
political violence. Donald Trump doesn't
actually care on what he called an
attack on Christians today. Donald Trump
only wants to use these examples to
expand his authoritarian project. Donald
Trump is responsible for these
shootings. Donald Trump is responsible
for political violence. All of these
events are his fault. So if he actually
cared, he would do something about it
that wasn't just trying to stoke the
flames even further, which is what he
did in this post that led to this
lawsuit. Trump wrote in a truth social
post yesterday at the request of
Secretary of Homeland Security Christine
Noom, "I am directing Secretary of War
Pete Hexath to provide all necessary
troops to protect war ravaged Portland
and any of our ICE facilities under
siege from attack by Antifa and other
domestic terrorists. I am also
authorizing full force if necessary.
Thank you for your attention to this
matter." There is no threat from Antifa.
No one in Portland has turned the city
into a war zone. Donald Trump is simply
after a spectacle that can justify
further action in creating a police
state in America. That's what Donald
Trump wants. It's what he tested out in
DC. He wants to do it in Baltimore. He's
going to do it in Portland. He tried and
failed to do it in Chicago, but he wants
justification to send his troops in to
blue cities around election time. Like
that's what Donald Trump is going to do.
We got to make that incredibly clear and
we got to fight it right now, which is
exactly what's happening with this
lawsuit.
Just in, Oregon sues Trump for
unlawful troop deployment incompatible
with liberty and democracy. The state of
Oregon on Sunday filed a lawsuit to
block Donald Trump's administration from
deploying troops to the city of Portland
one day after the commander-in-chief
announced he was sending the National
Guard to the war ravaged city. The
41page filing claimed the president
trampled on the Constitution by
federalizing members of the Oregon
National Guard for deployment. Our
nation's founders recognized that
military rule, particularly by a remote
authority, authority indifferent to
local needs, was incompatible with
liberty and democracy, the lawsuit said.
Foundational principles of American law
therefore limit the president's
authority to involve the military in
domestic affairs. Trump's provocative
and arbitrary actions threaten to
undermine public safety by inciting a
public outcry, the lawsuit added. The
city of Portland joined the state in the
lawsuit which was filed in federal court
in Portland on Sunday. On Saturday,
Trump of course made that insane post
authorizing full force. Just hours
later, Oregon's governor slammed Trump's
actions during a press conference. There
is no insurrection. There is no threat
to national security and there is no
need for military troops in our major
city. The governor said military service
members should be dedicated to real
emergencies. Of course, Donald Trump
doesn't care. The governor also urged,
"Let's not take the bait. Let's not
respond to what the president is trying
to do." The mayor of Portland also added
in a released statement saying, "Trump
has directed all necessary troops to
Portland, Oregon. The number of
necessary troops is zero in Portland and
in any other American city. Our nation
has a long memory for acts of of
oppression, and the president will not
find lawlessness or violence here unless
he plans to perpetrate it." That is what
Donald Trump wants. Donald Trump wants
you to believe that Portland is this
violent city in chaos. But as we can see
here, all of the images of Portland or
of people living peacefully, hanging
out. The only person who is trying to
create a stir is Donald Trump because
that is what he is fundamentally focused
on. This is all a game to him. It is all
a stunt. It is all a bit. And that is
especially the case in the wake of the
Charlie Kirk shooting.
*
MAGA is not rallying around some figure that they
think they need to grieve. They are
rallying around a a puppet whose body
they think they can use to perpetrate
their agenda. And no one seems to be
casket surfing. Actually, funny enough,
not just more than Donald Trump is not
the person winning at that at that
battle. It's not. Funny enough, it's
this kid Briand Holly who who just
you've never heard before, but I talked
about the real biggest exploiter of
Charlie Kirk's death who isn't Trump
surprisingly with my buddy Cam Cowsky on
the bulwark. And I want you to take a
look because this is really interesting.
If you thought that Donald Trump was
exploiting Charlie Kirk's death, wait
till you take a look at the casket
surfing conservative kid who thinks that
he's Charlie Kirk's protege.
[quote]I'm Jack Cocciarella on the Bulwark,
joined by Cam Casy to talk about Briand Hollahand, a
name that you haven't heard before
probably and hopefully we'll never
actually have to hear again.
Brilyn Hollyhand is being framed as the
successor to Charlie Kirk. Um, he I
think he's like 14 years old or some
[ __ ] like that. And he he's really
interesting. I'm so excited to get into
this conversation because if you thought
Charlie Kirk was bad, we've got a
Charlie Kirk here whose delivery is just
so much worse. Um, but first I want to
give you a quick look at Brilyn Hollyhand's
grief in the wake of Charlie Kirk's
gruesome killing. Let's take a look.
It's also an incredible story that you
share with us really quickly, Brilyn Hollyhand ,
about um fourth grade aa podcast. That's
incredible. And Charlie Kirk appears on
your podcast.
Tell me about the role he played for you
as a mentor.
He's so happy.
Yeah. Again, somebody didn't have to do
that. He was on Fox News every other
hour that year. He didn't have to make
time as an 11-year-old with this
upcoming podcast in the fourth grade to
come on and join me. But he did. And not
only was it a onetime thing that's a bad
looking Charlie's a better looking guy.
I'm not saying Charlie's a good looking
guy
to do that. He could have competition.
All right, we've had enough of this
time.
Yeah. So, I don't like to act like human
beings experiencing grief. Cannot smile
and laugh in the different moments where
anybody can find joy. But I mean, this
kid looks like it's [ __ ] Christmas
morning and his parents just got him
like the biggest Lego set in the entire
world. And I think that it speaks to how
the larger conservative movement has
responded to the death of Charlie Kirk.
It's been a huge career opportunity for
them and you're seeing it's putting kids
like this on the map.
Yeah. And I want to play off your point
there a little bit that people can, you
know, feel grief differently, but like
Erica Kirk sending out email blast and
coming out to pyrochnics isn't exactly
like I mourned for my husband, but this
kid is especially bad because it's very
obvious what he is. And that's just
like, as they would say in the movie
industry or the music industry, he's an
industry plant. His dad is a mega donor.
He didn't have an upcoming podcast when
he was in the fourth grade that he was
getting Charlie Kirk on because he was
so inspiring.
Straight because you've known who this
guy is. This guy has been on your map. A
lot of people, including people who
watch this stuff as closely as you, um,
were not aware of who Brilyn Hollyhand
was. I had never seen Brilyn Hollyhand . I
like to keep Can you just give me like
the Wikipedia one paragraph look into
what this kid's all about?
I uh I am upset with myself for how
chronically online I am just because all
this week with this kid has been popping
up for a certain video that we're going
to check out a little bit and you're
going to get a big laugh out of. I
promise. Um people have been like, I
have never seen this kid before.
Unfortunately, I have because he is a
part of a a certain Fox News circuit
that drives me crazy. We have refused to
uplift up-and-coming folks on the left and
and and bring them into like kind of
more of our mainstream spaces. We're
doing a lot better of a job with that
building out independent media. But Fox
will bring on the most sauceless like
credentialist young people in the world
to just go and deliver bad talking
points on like Saturday and Friday
nights when no one is watching. And
you'd see this kid a lot and he'd always
make the same like blue hair, nose ring,
liberal joke and no one would laugh.
He's got no sauce. He's got no charisma.
He came from the fact that his dad is a
is a mega donor of the GOP and they got
a ton of money because his father was
like a slum lord building section 8
housing. Like that's literally it. That
that is it. That is the Briand Holly
Hand or whatever the hell his name is
story is that his daddy's got a bunch of
bucks. He gives money to a ton of GOP
candidates. his son's got a podcast that
nobody watches and so he gets to appear
on Fox and act like he has credibility
or or or some personality, which he just
doesn't. And now in the wake of the
Charlie Kirk shooting, in the wake of
his death, this kid is saying that he's
traveling the country to talk on college
campuses when really he's just going to
meet with like 20 of the young
Republicans and the Young Republicans
club on any given college campus.
Bro's getting put on Ben Shapiro. He's
getting put on the Fox News shows like
that. No one likes this kid is the is
the main thing. Like he doesn't have an
audience.
But that's, you know, that's how that's
how what I would have said about JD
Vance. Like nobody liked JD Vance even
when he became the [ __ ] vice
president of the United States, right?
It's all just MAGA world being this
large narrative of if you like Trump, we
all like each other, which is something
that the left is uh understandably
missing.
This is what MAGA wants to do. They want
to exploit any crisis, any any shooting,
any act of political violence for their
own gain. And in this instance, for for
Briand, who's a interesting type of
person to be a conservative, I'll leave
it at that. I think you can fill in the
blanks. Um, of what type of person I'm
referring to for Brian to be and also be
a part of the far right, the far
Christian right. I think we can fill
everything in. I don't think I
necessarily need to say that Brian might
be.
I think you can kind of guess where I'm
going there. But this is a kid who's
clearly trying to capitalize as so many
are right now. None of these people
cared about Charlie Kirk. I I doubt that
any of them were like really friends.
Even his wife is fundraising off of his
death. As always is the case with the
followers of Donald Trump. They have
learned one thing and that is the grift.
The grift that we will be calling out on
this show. If you want to support that,
as always, you can hit that subscribe
button, leave a like on this video. If
you stuck around to the end, drop a blue
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by clicking right here or down below.
Keep on fighting. Don't let them silence
you. And until next time, I'll see you
soon.
Jack Cocchiarella
Sep 28, 2025 Jack Cocchiarella Show
Political commentator Jack Cocchiarella reacts to Donald Trump being hit by a lawsuit as his authoritarian action backfires.
Transcript
Donald Trump doesn't care. He doesn't
care about Charlie Kirk. He doesn't care
about crime. There is nothing that
Donald Trump actually cares about except
the grift staying out of jail and
expanding his authoritarian project.
Anytime that Donald Trump says that he's
worried about something, trying to
combat it, trying to keep you safe, what
he really means is he's making up some
fear-mongering enemy that he can use to
justify becoming even more fascistic.
And the latest example might be blowing
up in his face like no other because
Donald Trump, after an insane post, is
now being hit with a nice little lawsuit
that we are going to get into and what
the effects are for Steven Miller and
Donald Trump's illegal deportation plan.
But before we do, if I could quickly ask
you to leave a like on this video and if
you haven't already and you enjoy our
channel to hit that subscribe button
because it goes a long way in supporting
our work. Now, before we can get into
the Trump lawsuit that is blowing up one
of the biggest aspects of his
deportation agenda, I want to start with
someone who has been calling it out like
no other, diagnosing how evil it is, and
that's Gavin Newsome right here.
Donald Trump sent mass men to the event,
ICE and Border Patrol, primarily the
Border Patrol to intimidate folks.
Poor guy was selling strawberries was
arrested. I imagine he must have been on
the most wanted list. dangerous felon
disappeared.
That is a preview of things to come.
Don't think for a second he's going to
stop in the National Guard. It's an
interesting fact. 4,000 National Guard
were federalized. Over 700 uh members of
the United States Marine. 95% of them
did nothing. They sat there looking for
things to do. Hundreds plus million
dollars wasted.
literally looking for an assignment.
They were taken off the beat. These are
police officers, your National Guard.
These are firefighters. These are
teachers. These are caregivers. They
were taken off the streets doing real
work to keep you safe and protected to
keep you healthy.
And they sat there in the armory looking
for something to do. He will send the
National Guard. He will send them all
across this country. And he will do so
through election day. And if you think I
am exaggerating, consider the fact that
as he demobilized our National Guard, he
kept hundreds of them through election
day. And he'll do so working in concert,
as he has with ICE and Border Patrol to
do the same.
You have the largest private police
force in the world. When they're done
with this, all that funding and that big
beautiful portrayal allows more
resources for this private police force
that increasingly is showing a tendency
not to swear an oath to the
Constitution, but to the president of
the United States, and he'll be sending
them to voting booths and polling places
all across this country. This is a real
and serious moment in US history. And by
the way, I say that as an American, not
as a Democrat. Every Republican should
be ashamed about this and scared to
death about not just these authoritarian
tendencies, but these authoritarian
actions by the president. He is weak.
His weakness masquerading as strength
and that makes him more dangerous than
most people believe. Donald Trump
doesn't actually care about these issues
and we shouldn't take him seriously.
Donald Trump earlier today said that it
was a a tragedy what took place and it
was at the church in Michigan which was
attacked by a gunman today. But Donald
Trump doesn't actually care about
political violence. Donald Trump doesn't
actually care on what he called an
attack on Christians today. Donald Trump
only wants to use these examples to
expand his authoritarian project. Donald
Trump is responsible for these
shootings. Donald Trump is responsible
for political violence. All of these
events are his fault. So if he actually
cared, he would do something about it
that wasn't just trying to stoke the
flames even further, which is what he
did in this post that led to this
lawsuit. Trump wrote in a truth social
post yesterday at the request of
Secretary of Homeland Security Christine
Noom, "I am directing Secretary of War
Pete Hexath to provide all necessary
troops to protect war ravaged Portland
and any of our ICE facilities under
siege from attack by Antifa and other
domestic terrorists. I am also
authorizing full force if necessary.
Thank you for your attention to this
matter." There is no threat from Antifa.
No one in Portland has turned the city
into a war zone. Donald Trump is simply
after a spectacle that can justify
further action in creating a police
state in America. That's what Donald
Trump wants. It's what he tested out in
DC. He wants to do it in Baltimore. He's
going to do it in Portland. He tried and
failed to do it in Chicago, but he wants
justification to send his troops in to
blue cities around election time. Like
that's what Donald Trump is going to do.
We got to make that incredibly clear and
we got to fight it right now, which is
exactly what's happening with this
lawsuit.
JUST IN: Oregon Sues Trump for ‘Unlawful’ Troop Deployment: ‘Incompatible With Liberty and Democracy’
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IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF OREGON
PORTLAND DIVISION
STATE OF OREGON and the CITY OF
PORTLAND,
Plaintiffs,
v.
DONALD TRUMP, in his official capacity as
President of the United States; PETE
HEGSETH, in his official capacity as
Secretary of Defense; U.S. DEPARTMENT
OF DEFENSE; KRISTI NOEM, in her official
capacity as Secretary of Homeland Security;
and U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND
SECURITY,
Defendants.
Case No. 3:25-cv-01756
COMPLAINT FOR DECLARATORY AND INJUNCTIVE RELIEF
Case 3:25-cv-01756-SI Document 1 Filed 09/28/25 Page 1 of 41
I. INTRODUCTION
1. The “traditional and strong resistance of Americans to any military intrusion into civilian affairs” has “deep roots in our history.” Laird v. Tatum, 408 U.S. 1, 15 (1972). Our nation’s founders recognized that military rule—particularly by a remote authority indifferent to local needs—was incompatible with liberty and democracy. Foundational principles of American law therefore limit the President’s authority to involve the military in domestic affairs.
2. Those principles stem first from the U.S. Constitution, which reserves the general police power for the states while establishing civilian control over the military. It also affords Congress, not the President, the power “to provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections, and repel invasions.” Art. I, § 8, cl. 15–16. While Congress has delegated a portion of that power to the Executive, it carefully limited the President’s authority to exert control over a state’s National Guard—the modern term for the militia—to specific circumstances. And for over a century and a half, Congress has expressly forbidden federal military interference in civilian law enforcement.
3. Defendants have trampled on these principles by federalizing members of the Oregon National Guard for deployment in Portland, Oregon, to participate in civilian law enforcement. On September 28, 2025, the Secretary of Defense (now referred to as the Secretary of War) issued a memorandum calling into federal service 200 members of the Oregon National Guard. This order effectuated a social media post by President Trump on September 27, 2025, which authorized the Secretary to employ “Troops” using “Full Force” in Portland. Citing nothing more than baseless, wildly hyperbolic pretext—the President says Portland is a “War ravaged” city “under siege” from “domestic terrorists”—Defendants have thus infringed on Oregon’s sovereign power to manage its own law enforcement activity and National Guard resource. Far from promoting public safety, Defendants’ provocative and arbitrary actions threaten to undermine public safety by inciting a public outcry.
4. The facts cannot justify this overreach. While Defendants’ actions appear focused on ongoing protests near an Immigration and Customs Enforcement facility in Portland, those protests have been small in recent weeks—typically involving less than thirty people—and the protesters’ activities have not necessitated any arrests since mid-June. But Defendants’ heavyhanded deployment of troops threatens to escalate tensions and stokes new unrest, meaning more of the Plaintiffs’ law enforcement resources will be spent responding to the predictable consequences of Defendants’ action.
5. Defendants’ deployment of troops to Oregon is patently unlawful. Because their stated basis for federalizing members of Oregon’s National Guard is patently pretextual and baseless, Defendants cannot satisfy any of the three perquisites for involuntarily federalizing a state’s National Guard under 10 U.S.C. § 12406. Defendants’ purpose in federalizing those troops—to integrate them into federal law enforcement activities in Portland—also violates the Posse Comitatus Act.
6. Additionally, Defendants’ actions violate the Tenth Amendment’s guarantee that the police power—including the authority to promote safety at protests and deter violent crime—resides with the states, not the federal government. And by singling out a particular disfavored jurisdiction for political retribution, these actions also eviscerate the constitutional principle that the states’ sovereignty should be treated equally.
7. For these and other reasons discussed below, Defendants’ actions should be declared unlawful and preliminarily and permanently enjoined.
The state of Oregon on Sunday filed a lawsuit to block President Donald Trump’s administration from deploying troops to the city of Portland, one day after the commander-in-chief announced he was sending the National Guard to the “war ravaged” city.
The 41-page filing claimed the president “trampled” on the Constitution by federalizing members of the Oregon National Guard for deployment.
“Our nation’s founders recognized that military rule—particularly by a remote authority indifferent to local needs—was incompatible with liberty and democracy,” the lawsuit said. “Foundational principles of American law therefore limit the president’s authority to involve the military in domestic affairs.”
Trump’s “provocative and arbitrary actions threaten to undermine public safety by inciting a public outcry,” the lawsuit added.
The city of Portland joined the state in the lawsuit, which was filed in a federal court in Portland on Sunday.
On Saturday, Trump posted to Truth Social, “At the request of Secretary of Homeland Security, Kristi Noem, I am directing Secretary of War, Pete Hegseth, to provide all necessary Troops to protect War ravaged Portland, and any of our ICE Facilities under siege from attack by Antifa, and other domestic terrorists.”
He added, “I am also authorizing Full Force, if necessary.”
Just hours later, Oregon’s Gov. Tina Kotek (D) slammed Trump’s actions during a press conference.
“There is no insurrection. There is no threat to national security, and there is no need for military troops in our major city,” Kotek said. “Military service members should be dedicated to real emergencies. The members of the Oregon National Guard, their mission is to stand up and protect Oregonians, and they will do that every day. But they are not needed in the city. They are not needed here.”
Kotek urged calm, adding, “Let’s not take the bait. Let’s not respond to what the president is trying to do.”
Portland Mayor Keith Wilson (D) also released a statement, saying, “President Trump has directed ‘all necessary Troops’ to Portland, Oregon. The number of necessary troops is zero, in Portland and any other American city. Our nation has a long memory for acts of oppression, and the president will not find lawlessness or violence here unless he plans to perpetrate it.”
Portland is just the latest “blue” city to be targeted by Trump’s troop deployment., including Los Angeles; Washington, D.C; and Memphis. Trump threatened to send troops to Chicago, but has yet to follow-through on that city.
Oregon Attorney General Dan Rayfield filed the lawsuit after Hegseth sent a memo to Gov. Kotek, authorizing 200 members of the Oregon National Guard to be sent to Portland for 60 days. Rayfield, in a statement, said that the city and state are “stable” and deploying troops is unwarranted.
Just in, Oregon sues Trump for
unlawful troop deployment incompatible
with liberty and democracy. The state of
Oregon on Sunday filed a lawsuit to
block Donald Trump's administration from
deploying troops to the city of Portland
one day after the commander-in-chief
announced he was sending the National
Guard to the war ravaged city. The
41page filing claimed the president
trampled on the Constitution by
federalizing members of the Oregon
National Guard for deployment. Our
nation's founders recognized that
military rule, particularly by a remote
authority, authority indifferent to
local needs, was incompatible with
liberty and democracy, the lawsuit said.
Foundational principles of American law
therefore limit the president's
authority to involve the military in
domestic affairs. Trump's provocative
and arbitrary actions threaten to
undermine public safety by inciting a
public outcry, the lawsuit added. The
city of Portland joined the state in the
lawsuit which was filed in federal court
in Portland on Sunday. On Saturday,
Trump of course made that insane post
authorizing full force. Just hours
later, Oregon's governor slammed Trump's
actions during a press conference. There
is no insurrection. There is no threat
to national security and there is no
need for military troops in our major
city. The governor said military service
members should be dedicated to real
emergencies. Of course, Donald Trump
doesn't care. The governor also urged,
"Let's not take the bait. Let's not
respond to what the president is trying
to do." The mayor of Portland also added
in a released statement saying, "Trump
has directed all necessary troops to
Portland, Oregon. The number of
necessary troops is zero in Portland and
in any other American city. Our nation
has a long memory for acts of of
oppression, and the president will not
find lawlessness or violence here unless
he plans to perpetrate it." That is what
Donald Trump wants. Donald Trump wants
you to believe that Portland is this
violent city in chaos. But as we can see
here, all of the images of Portland or
of people living peacefully, hanging
out. The only person who is trying to
create a stir is Donald Trump because
that is what he is fundamentally focused
on. This is all a game to him. It is all
a stunt. It is all a bit. And that is
especially the case in the wake of the
Charlie Kirk shooting.
*
MAGA is not rallying around some figure that they
think they need to grieve. They are
rallying around a a puppet whose body
they think they can use to perpetrate
their agenda. And no one seems to be
casket surfing. Actually, funny enough,
not just more than Donald Trump is not
the person winning at that at that
battle. It's not. Funny enough, it's
this kid Briand Holly who who just
you've never heard before, but I talked
about the real biggest exploiter of
Charlie Kirk's death who isn't Trump
surprisingly with my buddy Cam Cowsky on
the bulwark. And I want you to take a
look because this is really interesting.
If you thought that Donald Trump was
exploiting Charlie Kirk's death, wait
till you take a look at the casket
surfing conservative kid who thinks that
he's Charlie Kirk's protege.
[quote]I'm Jack Cocciarella on the Bulwark,
joined by Cam Casy to talk about Briand Hollahand, a
name that you haven't heard before
probably and hopefully we'll never
actually have to hear again.
Brilyn Hollyhand is being framed as the
successor to Charlie Kirk. Um, he I
think he's like 14 years old or some
[ __ ] like that. And he he's really
interesting. I'm so excited to get into
this conversation because if you thought
Charlie Kirk was bad, we've got a
Charlie Kirk here whose delivery is just
so much worse. Um, but first I want to
give you a quick look at Brilyn Hollyhand's
grief in the wake of Charlie Kirk's
gruesome killing. Let's take a look.
It's also an incredible story that you
share with us really quickly, Brilyn Hollyhand ,
about um fourth grade aa podcast. That's
incredible. And Charlie Kirk appears on
your podcast.
Tell me about the role he played for you
as a mentor.
He's so happy.
Yeah. Again, somebody didn't have to do
that. He was on Fox News every other
hour that year. He didn't have to make
time as an 11-year-old with this
upcoming podcast in the fourth grade to
come on and join me. But he did. And not
only was it a onetime thing that's a bad
looking Charlie's a better looking guy.
I'm not saying Charlie's a good looking
guy
to do that. He could have competition.
All right, we've had enough of this
time.
Yeah. So, I don't like to act like human
beings experiencing grief. Cannot smile
and laugh in the different moments where
anybody can find joy. But I mean, this
kid looks like it's [ __ ] Christmas
morning and his parents just got him
like the biggest Lego set in the entire
world. And I think that it speaks to how
the larger conservative movement has
responded to the death of Charlie Kirk.
It's been a huge career opportunity for
them and you're seeing it's putting kids
like this on the map.
Yeah. And I want to play off your point
there a little bit that people can, you
know, feel grief differently, but like
Erica Kirk sending out email blast and
coming out to pyrochnics isn't exactly
like I mourned for my husband, but this
kid is especially bad because it's very
obvious what he is. And that's just
like, as they would say in the movie
industry or the music industry, he's an
industry plant. His dad is a mega donor.
He didn't have an upcoming podcast when
he was in the fourth grade that he was
getting Charlie Kirk on because he was
so inspiring.
Straight because you've known who this
guy is. This guy has been on your map. A
lot of people, including people who
watch this stuff as closely as you, um,
were not aware of who Brilyn Hollyhand
was. I had never seen Brilyn Hollyhand . I
like to keep Can you just give me like
the Wikipedia one paragraph look into
what this kid's all about?
I uh I am upset with myself for how
chronically online I am just because all
this week with this kid has been popping
up for a certain video that we're going
to check out a little bit and you're
going to get a big laugh out of. I
promise. Um people have been like, I
have never seen this kid before.
Unfortunately, I have because he is a
part of a a certain Fox News circuit
that drives me crazy. We have refused to
uplift up-and-coming folks on the left and
and and bring them into like kind of
more of our mainstream spaces. We're
doing a lot better of a job with that
building out independent media. But Fox
will bring on the most sauceless like
credentialist young people in the world
to just go and deliver bad talking
points on like Saturday and Friday
nights when no one is watching. And
you'd see this kid a lot and he'd always
make the same like blue hair, nose ring,
liberal joke and no one would laugh.
He's got no sauce. He's got no charisma.
He came from the fact that his dad is a
is a mega donor of the GOP and they got
a ton of money because his father was
like a slum lord building section 8
housing. Like that's literally it. That
that is it. That is the Briand Holly
Hand or whatever the hell his name is
story is that his daddy's got a bunch of
bucks. He gives money to a ton of GOP
candidates. his son's got a podcast that
nobody watches and so he gets to appear
on Fox and act like he has credibility
or or or some personality, which he just
doesn't. And now in the wake of the
Charlie Kirk shooting, in the wake of
his death, this kid is saying that he's
traveling the country to talk on college
campuses when really he's just going to
meet with like 20 of the young
Republicans and the Young Republicans
club on any given college campus.
Bro's getting put on Ben Shapiro. He's
getting put on the Fox News shows like
that. No one likes this kid is the is
the main thing. Like he doesn't have an
audience.
But that's, you know, that's how that's
how what I would have said about JD
Vance. Like nobody liked JD Vance even
when he became the [ __ ] vice
president of the United States, right?
It's all just MAGA world being this
large narrative of if you like Trump, we
all like each other, which is something
that the left is uh understandably
missing.
This is what MAGA wants to do. They want
to exploit any crisis, any any shooting,
any act of political violence for their
own gain. And in this instance, for for
Briand, who's a interesting type of
person to be a conservative, I'll leave
it at that. I think you can fill in the
blanks. Um, of what type of person I'm
referring to for Brian to be and also be
a part of the far right, the far
Christian right. I think we can fill
everything in. I don't think I
necessarily need to say that Brian might
be.
I think you can kind of guess where I'm
going there. But this is a kid who's
clearly trying to capitalize as so many
are right now. None of these people
cared about Charlie Kirk. I I doubt that
any of them were like really friends.
Even his wife is fundraising off of his
death. As always is the case with the
followers of Donald Trump. They have
learned one thing and that is the grift.
The grift that we will be calling out on
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BREAKING: Trump prosecutor endures COURTROOM DISASTER
Brian Tyler Cohen and Glenn Kirschner
Sep 28, 2025 Brian Tyler Cohen
Legal Breakdown episode 603: Inexperienced Trump prosecutor encounters fed up judge
Transcript
You're watching the legal breakdown,
Glenn. We've got a disaster in court
with Donald Trump's newly appointed US
attorney in the Eastern District of
Virginia, the attorney that was put in
place expressly so that this
administration could prosecute James
Comey and what I presume will be Leticia
James. Now, I'm going to put a tweet up
up here on the screen uh courtesy of the
senior editor from Lawfair, and this is
the magistrate judge in this case trying
to untangle Lindseay Halligan's first
venture into indicting someone. So, I
thought what would be interesting here
is if you and I read both parts because
we've got uh Lindsay Hallagan and we've
also got the judge in this case talking
to each other. So, Glenn, you play the
role of the court, the judge and I'll
play the role of Lindseay Halligan. And
we'll read this through to give
everybody watching right now an idea of
what just went down in court.
Well, here you go, Brian. I am the
presiding judge. And the judge says,
"So, this has never happened before.
I've been handed two documents that are
in the Mr. Comey case that are
inconsistent with one another. The one
that says it's a failure to concur in an
indictment. It doesn't say with respect
to one count. It looks like they failed
to concur across all three counts. So,
I'm a little confused as to why I was
handed two things with the same case
number that are inconsistent.
So, I I only reviewed the one with the
two counts that our office reddrafted
when we found out about the the two two
counts that were true build and and and
I signed that one. I I did not see the
other one. I I I don't know where that
came from.
You didn't see it?
I I did not see that one.
So, your office didn't prepare the
indictment that they
No, no, no, no, no. I I I No. I I
prepared three counts. I only signed the
one the two count. I don't I don't know
which one the three counts you have in
your hands.
Okay. It has your signature on it.
Okay. Uh well,
so Glenn, that's that's the exchange
there. You obviously have much more
experience in court than the vast
majority of folks who are watching this
video right now. Can you give an idea of
just how unorthodox this exchange was in
a courtroom?
Brian, this represents unparalleled
incompetence and imbecility. That those
are the only words I can come up with.
It is a very important moment in a
criminal case when a judge for the first
time um is in a position to look at and
affirm the propriety of an a felony
indictment, particularly one that was
brought for the first time in our
nation's history against an FBI
director. Talk about an extraordinarily
important, weighty, and even I would say
solemn moment. And Lindseay Halagan
doesn't know what the hell she's doing,
what she's reviewed, what she's
authorized, what she signed, what it
means. This reads like something that I
don't even think the satirical
publication The Onion could put together
or envision. And here is immediately
what I think of because I've been in
this position. I've presented
indictments. We've had arraignments in,
you know, hundreds and hundreds of cases
that I've handled personally. And um
here is immediately where my mind went.
The grand jury is a secret proceeding by
law. And what that means, Brian, is it
it it's almost impossible to pierce the
veil of grand jury secrecy. That is a
tried andrue phrase that we hear any
time a defense attorney will in attack
the quality or the the propriety or the
lawfulness of a criminal indictment. The
prosecutor will say, "Your honor, you
know, there is almost no precedent
allowing the defense to pierce the veil
of secrecy and discover what went on
inside the grand jury. It's just not
done. There are lots of important policy
reasons not to let defendants pierce the
veil of secrecy. But here's the thing,
it can be done and it has been done in
the past in relatively few
circumstances. When there's an
affirmative showing that there has been
potential corruption or something
dramatically inappropriate, unlawful, or
unethical that has gone on before the
grand jury, the judge may very well
allow the defendant to pierce the veil
of secrecy and put on full display for
all to see exactly what Lindseay Hallan
did inside that grand jury that
prompted, you know, at least 12 grand
jurors, which is how many it takes to
vote in favor of an indictment. Voted in
favor of this indictment that Lindseay
Halligan doesn't even understand what's
in the two documents. You don't present
two indictments. You present one. The
two documents that she presented to the
magistrate judge and she then fumbled
and stumbled around to even explain them
to the judge's satisfaction. This may
end up being a very good thing for the
cause of justice and for James Comey,
but a very bad thing for Lindseay
Halligan, for the Department of Justice
writ large because if they expose the
public view what Lindsey Halagan did,
and it is as bad as this brief
transcript e excerpt suggests it might
be, you know, she's going to find
herself referred to bar counsel for an
ethics investigation. And just a quick
note before we continue to move on. Uh
for those who are watching right now, if
you'd like to stay on top of this legal
news, please make sure to subscribe. The
links to both of our channels are in the
post description of this v video. Great
way to support our work, great way to
support independent media. What impact
does this have on the case right now?
Like to what extent does does an
incompetent prosecutor uh alter the case
or can you just be an incompetent
prosecutor? Can you not know what you're
doing and still get full deference from
this judge?
Yeah, that's a great question. So, there
is a what we call a presumption of
regularity that prosecutors are doing
the right thing in the right way for the
right reasons. I don't think Lindseay
Halligan or Pam Bondi's Department of
Justice as controlled by Donald Trump
who, let's face it, has anointed himself
lead prosecutor in all criminal cases
against his enemies. I don't think any
of them are entitled to the presumption
of regularity. I mean they are proving
that day in and day out. Now when you
ask about an incompetent prosecutor you
know there there is no rule or precedent
that says well a judge has to assess the
competence of the prosecutor.
Prosecutors come in all stripes in all
flavors good bad competent incompetent
expert novice um ethical and unethical.
Um, but you know, it's not really the
competence of the prosecutor that will
impact the trajectory of the case. It is
if the judge sees that something has
gone on that is a violation of the rule
of law, a violation of the rules of
procedure that govern the grand jury.
Because remember, our our viewers should
remember the grand jury is an arm of the
court, not an arm of the executive
branch, the prosecution. it is
supervised quite literally by the chief
judge of the federal district court in
which the grand jury sits. So if there's
something that is done that either
violates the rule of law, the
constitution or the rules of procedure
or there is something that potentially
violates a constitutional or statutory
right of the defendant which may have
gone on here in the way the grand jury
indictment was obtained by Lindseay
Hallan then that could result in
dismissal. But I don't want people to
get too excited about the prospect of
this indictment being dismissed based on
some of what we are now learning because
if a judge dismisses an indictment for
some impropriy in the grand jury, that
will almost always give the prosecutors
the ability to go back into the grand
jury, clean it up, and issue a a
subsequent indictment that might
withstand an attack from the defense.
Um, however, all bets are off here
because of the evidence of
vindictiveness, as you know,
demonstrated by Donald Trump's
statements and posts over time saying
that he wants his enemy, James Comey,
prosecuted, evidence be damned. Um, that
may end up resulting at some point in a
dismissal with prejudice, meaning
there's no way this case could ever be
brought back in court. So I understand
that that even if Lindsey Haligan is
flailing around that she might be uh
that she might be given this presumption
of regularity in the court, but does I
guess as a broader question here, does
her inability to not fumble around like
a novice prosecutor, can that still kind
of present itself in the way she argues
this court? And so in the in the same
way that she has no idea what she's
doing here as this whole process is
beginning, don't you expect to see her
inexperience kind of present itself when
she actually argues the thing? And if
she's arguing in a way that's
inexperience, that betrays her
inexperience, won't that just lend
itself to to a lower likelihood of her
actually getting this prosecution
against James Comey where it needs to
be?
Oh, absolutely, Brian. If she is the
prosecutor in this case, put a pin in
that for a second. I would expect given
what we just saw, the kind of opening
salvo that this transcript represents
her incompetence and I would say
imbecility and she's entirely
illprepared to even answer basic
questions from the magistrate judge that
will clearly, you know, manifest itself
in these proceedings as um her not being
able to litigate her way out of a paper
bag. I mean, she listen, she cannot come
up to snuff on the experience required
to competently try a really significant
federal court prosecution in a matter of
days, weeks, or even months. So, she
will go down in flames if she is the
prosecutor in the case. I don't suspect
she will be. And here's why. There are
already rumblings that she's been trying
to find prosecutors in the Eastern
District of Virginia, United States
Attorney's Office, to handle the case.
And it looks like, at least
inferentially, there are no takers. Not
surprisingly, because I think anybody
who went into court as a Department of
Justice uh prosecutor or as an assistant
United States attorney, that's what we
call line prosecutors, will be putting
their license to practice law on the
line. You can't go in and try to prop up
a vindictive prosecution that is not
supported by the evidence, which is what
all of the public reporting tends to
indicate, especially when you look at
the testimony of James Comey twice over
before congressional committees. They're
not going to have the goods to convict
even if an ex even in the hands of an
expert prosecutor. So, here is what
might happen, and bear with me because I
suspect this is what will end up
happening. They're going to look for
somebody over at the main Department of
Justice, not even at the US Attorney's
Office for the Eastern District of
Virginia, and they're going to try to
find some political appointee of Donald
Trump, some flunky, some lap dog, some
sickopant who might have some court
experience, and take that person from
the main Department of Justice across
the river in DC, put them over in that
courthouse in Alexandria, Virginia, and
try to get that person to prosecute this
vindictive, evidence-free, baseless
prosecution. So, I don't know that
you'll actually see see Lindseay
Halligan other than as a potted plant
second chair sitting at council table,
but not actively engaging in the
litigation itself.
But doesn't that put the political
appointee in the same position that any
prosecutor would have been put in?
Meaning, if you're going to engage in a
vindictive prosecution, then your law
license can be on the line. Whether
you're a high higher ranking political
appointee in main justice or uh a a
regular pro rank and file prosecutor in
the Eastern District of Virginia, don't
you still don't you still butt up
against the same issue for these
prosecutors?
Absolutely. But the point I'm trying to
make is that the rank and file
prosecutors who know what you know it
takes to go into federal court in
Alexandria, Virginia, the rocket docket.
We've got a lot of nononsense judges
there, including the one who has drawn
this assignment and who will preside
over the Comey case. They know what
they're getting into, which is why
inferentially we're beginning to hear
that they're refusing to do it. So, he's
going to have to get a political
appointee who will be on the hook
ethically the way anybody else would.
But I have a feeling that may be the
only person they may be able to find,
some lap dog political appointee to go
in and put his or her bar license on the
line to please dear leader.
Last question on this. Can prosecutors,
whether it's a rank and file prosecutor
in Eastern Virginia or in Maine justice,
can they disobey an order from either,
you know, Lindseay Halligan or Donald
Trump to go in and argue this case?
Like, to what extent do they have
discretion here?
That's a great question, and I'm I want
to be upfront with the viewers. There's
no hard and fast answer to that question
like there is in the military. And let
me use that by way of analogy. I was an
active duty army jag for six and a half
years. We are required by our oath of
loyalty to the constitution and our
military obligations. We are required to
obey lawful orders, but we're also
required to disobey patently unlawful
orders. So, we know the dos and don'ts
of military service, what we're allowed
to do. um in the in the civilian sector
in the federal government it's not quite
so clear you know if a a supervisor
comes and tries to give you an
assignment and you try to decline you
refuse to accept that assignment it sort
of depends on the reason now if you
stand up and say listen my my loyalty
not only to the constitution but to the
code of ethics that I am bound to uh to
comply with mandate that I can't accept
this assignment. The next question
becomes, well, could the Trump
administration could Lindsey Hallagan
retaliate by, you know, just unlawfully
terminating somebody's employment? Well,
the answer is of course they could
because they've done it several times
over to, for example, January 6
prosecutors. So, you know, the the the
question of what are the implications of
declining to accept an assignment that a
supervisor tries to give you, you know,
you may still have all sorts of legal
and procedural protections as a civil
servant going to the MSPB, the Merit
Systems Protection Board, for example.
But, you know, all of that is sort of
tossed out the window in the age of
Trump because they don't really care if
they unlawfully terminate people. They
basically do it and they challenge that
person to yeah, you go ahead and try to,
you know, vindicate your rights that
were just violated and we will make that
equally difficult. But if you win a
challenge at the end of the day and you
have to be reinstalled with back pay,
what does the Trump administration care?
Because who foots the bill for that? We
do. The American taxpayers,
right? But at a bare minimum, these
people uh will at least retain their law
license and their ability to to provide
for themselves and and their family,
which you know, you can't you can't say
the same thing for the Rudy Giulianis
and and uh and other Trumpick events of
the world who have kind of listened to
him and engaged in this uh fools in
these fools errands and have seen the
consequences of doing exactly that.
Yeah, Brian, let me let me build on that
because that's a great point. You know,
part of what you asked previously was,
well, don't these political appointees,
if they come over from Maine justice and
try to prosecute, vindictively prosecute
Comey, don't they put their law licenses
on the line? I said they do. And not
only that, they will probably join the
ignoble club of Rudy Giuliani, Kenneth
Chzboro, Jeffrey Clark, John Eastman,
attorneys who have been disbarred or are
still pending disbarment because they
were willing to do the dirty, unethical,
nefarious bidding of Donald Trump.
Right. Well, look, uh, this process is
obviously playing out right now. So, for
those who are watching, if you want to
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Sep 28, 2025 Brian Tyler Cohen
Legal Breakdown episode 603: Inexperienced Trump prosecutor encounters fed up judge
Transcript
You're watching the legal breakdown,
Glenn. We've got a disaster in court
with Donald Trump's newly appointed US
attorney in the Eastern District of
Virginia, the attorney that was put in
place expressly so that this
administration could prosecute James
Comey and what I presume will be Leticia
James. Now, I'm going to put a tweet up
up here on the screen uh courtesy of the
senior editor from Lawfair, and this is
the magistrate judge in this case trying
to untangle Lindseay Halligan's first
venture into indicting someone. So, I
thought what would be interesting here
is if you and I read both parts because
we've got uh Lindsay Hallagan and we've
also got the judge in this case talking
to each other. So, Glenn, you play the
role of the court, the judge and I'll
play the role of Lindseay Halligan. And
we'll read this through to give
everybody watching right now an idea of
what just went down in court.
Well, here you go, Brian. I am the
presiding judge. And the judge says,
"So, this has never happened before.
I've been handed two documents that are
in the Mr. Comey case that are
inconsistent with one another. The one
that says it's a failure to concur in an
indictment. It doesn't say with respect
to one count. It looks like they failed
to concur across all three counts. So,
I'm a little confused as to why I was
handed two things with the same case
number that are inconsistent.
So, I I only reviewed the one with the
two counts that our office reddrafted
when we found out about the the two two
counts that were true build and and and
I signed that one. I I did not see the
other one. I I I don't know where that
came from.
You didn't see it?
I I did not see that one.
So, your office didn't prepare the
indictment that they
No, no, no, no, no. I I I No. I I
prepared three counts. I only signed the
one the two count. I don't I don't know
which one the three counts you have in
your hands.
Okay. It has your signature on it.
Okay. Uh well,
so Glenn, that's that's the exchange
there. You obviously have much more
experience in court than the vast
majority of folks who are watching this
video right now. Can you give an idea of
just how unorthodox this exchange was in
a courtroom?
Brian, this represents unparalleled
incompetence and imbecility. That those
are the only words I can come up with.
It is a very important moment in a
criminal case when a judge for the first
time um is in a position to look at and
affirm the propriety of an a felony
indictment, particularly one that was
brought for the first time in our
nation's history against an FBI
director. Talk about an extraordinarily
important, weighty, and even I would say
solemn moment. And Lindseay Halagan
doesn't know what the hell she's doing,
what she's reviewed, what she's
authorized, what she signed, what it
means. This reads like something that I
don't even think the satirical
publication The Onion could put together
or envision. And here is immediately
what I think of because I've been in
this position. I've presented
indictments. We've had arraignments in,
you know, hundreds and hundreds of cases
that I've handled personally. And um
here is immediately where my mind went.
The grand jury is a secret proceeding by
law. And what that means, Brian, is it
it it's almost impossible to pierce the
veil of grand jury secrecy. That is a
tried andrue phrase that we hear any
time a defense attorney will in attack
the quality or the the propriety or the
lawfulness of a criminal indictment. The
prosecutor will say, "Your honor, you
know, there is almost no precedent
allowing the defense to pierce the veil
of secrecy and discover what went on
inside the grand jury. It's just not
done. There are lots of important policy
reasons not to let defendants pierce the
veil of secrecy. But here's the thing,
it can be done and it has been done in
the past in relatively few
circumstances. When there's an
affirmative showing that there has been
potential corruption or something
dramatically inappropriate, unlawful, or
unethical that has gone on before the
grand jury, the judge may very well
allow the defendant to pierce the veil
of secrecy and put on full display for
all to see exactly what Lindseay Hallan
did inside that grand jury that
prompted, you know, at least 12 grand
jurors, which is how many it takes to
vote in favor of an indictment. Voted in
favor of this indictment that Lindseay
Halligan doesn't even understand what's
in the two documents. You don't present
two indictments. You present one. The
two documents that she presented to the
magistrate judge and she then fumbled
and stumbled around to even explain them
to the judge's satisfaction. This may
end up being a very good thing for the
cause of justice and for James Comey,
but a very bad thing for Lindseay
Halligan, for the Department of Justice
writ large because if they expose the
public view what Lindsey Halagan did,
and it is as bad as this brief
transcript e excerpt suggests it might
be, you know, she's going to find
herself referred to bar counsel for an
ethics investigation. And just a quick
note before we continue to move on. Uh
for those who are watching right now, if
you'd like to stay on top of this legal
news, please make sure to subscribe. The
links to both of our channels are in the
post description of this v video. Great
way to support our work, great way to
support independent media. What impact
does this have on the case right now?
Like to what extent does does an
incompetent prosecutor uh alter the case
or can you just be an incompetent
prosecutor? Can you not know what you're
doing and still get full deference from
this judge?
Yeah, that's a great question. So, there
is a what we call a presumption of
regularity that prosecutors are doing
the right thing in the right way for the
right reasons. I don't think Lindseay
Halligan or Pam Bondi's Department of
Justice as controlled by Donald Trump
who, let's face it, has anointed himself
lead prosecutor in all criminal cases
against his enemies. I don't think any
of them are entitled to the presumption
of regularity. I mean they are proving
that day in and day out. Now when you
ask about an incompetent prosecutor you
know there there is no rule or precedent
that says well a judge has to assess the
competence of the prosecutor.
Prosecutors come in all stripes in all
flavors good bad competent incompetent
expert novice um ethical and unethical.
Um, but you know, it's not really the
competence of the prosecutor that will
impact the trajectory of the case. It is
if the judge sees that something has
gone on that is a violation of the rule
of law, a violation of the rules of
procedure that govern the grand jury.
Because remember, our our viewers should
remember the grand jury is an arm of the
court, not an arm of the executive
branch, the prosecution. it is
supervised quite literally by the chief
judge of the federal district court in
which the grand jury sits. So if there's
something that is done that either
violates the rule of law, the
constitution or the rules of procedure
or there is something that potentially
violates a constitutional or statutory
right of the defendant which may have
gone on here in the way the grand jury
indictment was obtained by Lindseay
Hallan then that could result in
dismissal. But I don't want people to
get too excited about the prospect of
this indictment being dismissed based on
some of what we are now learning because
if a judge dismisses an indictment for
some impropriy in the grand jury, that
will almost always give the prosecutors
the ability to go back into the grand
jury, clean it up, and issue a a
subsequent indictment that might
withstand an attack from the defense.
Um, however, all bets are off here
because of the evidence of
vindictiveness, as you know,
demonstrated by Donald Trump's
statements and posts over time saying
that he wants his enemy, James Comey,
prosecuted, evidence be damned. Um, that
may end up resulting at some point in a
dismissal with prejudice, meaning
there's no way this case could ever be
brought back in court. So I understand
that that even if Lindsey Haligan is
flailing around that she might be uh
that she might be given this presumption
of regularity in the court, but does I
guess as a broader question here, does
her inability to not fumble around like
a novice prosecutor, can that still kind
of present itself in the way she argues
this court? And so in the in the same
way that she has no idea what she's
doing here as this whole process is
beginning, don't you expect to see her
inexperience kind of present itself when
she actually argues the thing? And if
she's arguing in a way that's
inexperience, that betrays her
inexperience, won't that just lend
itself to to a lower likelihood of her
actually getting this prosecution
against James Comey where it needs to
be?
Oh, absolutely, Brian. If she is the
prosecutor in this case, put a pin in
that for a second. I would expect given
what we just saw, the kind of opening
salvo that this transcript represents
her incompetence and I would say
imbecility and she's entirely
illprepared to even answer basic
questions from the magistrate judge that
will clearly, you know, manifest itself
in these proceedings as um her not being
able to litigate her way out of a paper
bag. I mean, she listen, she cannot come
up to snuff on the experience required
to competently try a really significant
federal court prosecution in a matter of
days, weeks, or even months. So, she
will go down in flames if she is the
prosecutor in the case. I don't suspect
she will be. And here's why. There are
already rumblings that she's been trying
to find prosecutors in the Eastern
District of Virginia, United States
Attorney's Office, to handle the case.
And it looks like, at least
inferentially, there are no takers. Not
surprisingly, because I think anybody
who went into court as a Department of
Justice uh prosecutor or as an assistant
United States attorney, that's what we
call line prosecutors, will be putting
their license to practice law on the
line. You can't go in and try to prop up
a vindictive prosecution that is not
supported by the evidence, which is what
all of the public reporting tends to
indicate, especially when you look at
the testimony of James Comey twice over
before congressional committees. They're
not going to have the goods to convict
even if an ex even in the hands of an
expert prosecutor. So, here is what
might happen, and bear with me because I
suspect this is what will end up
happening. They're going to look for
somebody over at the main Department of
Justice, not even at the US Attorney's
Office for the Eastern District of
Virginia, and they're going to try to
find some political appointee of Donald
Trump, some flunky, some lap dog, some
sickopant who might have some court
experience, and take that person from
the main Department of Justice across
the river in DC, put them over in that
courthouse in Alexandria, Virginia, and
try to get that person to prosecute this
vindictive, evidence-free, baseless
prosecution. So, I don't know that
you'll actually see see Lindseay
Halligan other than as a potted plant
second chair sitting at council table,
but not actively engaging in the
litigation itself.
But doesn't that put the political
appointee in the same position that any
prosecutor would have been put in?
Meaning, if you're going to engage in a
vindictive prosecution, then your law
license can be on the line. Whether
you're a high higher ranking political
appointee in main justice or uh a a
regular pro rank and file prosecutor in
the Eastern District of Virginia, don't
you still don't you still butt up
against the same issue for these
prosecutors?
Absolutely. But the point I'm trying to
make is that the rank and file
prosecutors who know what you know it
takes to go into federal court in
Alexandria, Virginia, the rocket docket.
We've got a lot of nononsense judges
there, including the one who has drawn
this assignment and who will preside
over the Comey case. They know what
they're getting into, which is why
inferentially we're beginning to hear
that they're refusing to do it. So, he's
going to have to get a political
appointee who will be on the hook
ethically the way anybody else would.
But I have a feeling that may be the
only person they may be able to find,
some lap dog political appointee to go
in and put his or her bar license on the
line to please dear leader.
Last question on this. Can prosecutors,
whether it's a rank and file prosecutor
in Eastern Virginia or in Maine justice,
can they disobey an order from either,
you know, Lindseay Halligan or Donald
Trump to go in and argue this case?
Like, to what extent do they have
discretion here?
That's a great question, and I'm I want
to be upfront with the viewers. There's
no hard and fast answer to that question
like there is in the military. And let
me use that by way of analogy. I was an
active duty army jag for six and a half
years. We are required by our oath of
loyalty to the constitution and our
military obligations. We are required to
obey lawful orders, but we're also
required to disobey patently unlawful
orders. So, we know the dos and don'ts
of military service, what we're allowed
to do. um in the in the civilian sector
in the federal government it's not quite
so clear you know if a a supervisor
comes and tries to give you an
assignment and you try to decline you
refuse to accept that assignment it sort
of depends on the reason now if you
stand up and say listen my my loyalty
not only to the constitution but to the
code of ethics that I am bound to uh to
comply with mandate that I can't accept
this assignment. The next question
becomes, well, could the Trump
administration could Lindsey Hallagan
retaliate by, you know, just unlawfully
terminating somebody's employment? Well,
the answer is of course they could
because they've done it several times
over to, for example, January 6
prosecutors. So, you know, the the the
question of what are the implications of
declining to accept an assignment that a
supervisor tries to give you, you know,
you may still have all sorts of legal
and procedural protections as a civil
servant going to the MSPB, the Merit
Systems Protection Board, for example.
But, you know, all of that is sort of
tossed out the window in the age of
Trump because they don't really care if
they unlawfully terminate people. They
basically do it and they challenge that
person to yeah, you go ahead and try to,
you know, vindicate your rights that
were just violated and we will make that
equally difficult. But if you win a
challenge at the end of the day and you
have to be reinstalled with back pay,
what does the Trump administration care?
Because who foots the bill for that? We
do. The American taxpayers,
right? But at a bare minimum, these
people uh will at least retain their law
license and their ability to to provide
for themselves and and their family,
which you know, you can't you can't say
the same thing for the Rudy Giulianis
and and uh and other Trumpick events of
the world who have kind of listened to
him and engaged in this uh fools in
these fools errands and have seen the
consequences of doing exactly that.
Yeah, Brian, let me let me build on that
because that's a great point. You know,
part of what you asked previously was,
well, don't these political appointees,
if they come over from Maine justice and
try to prosecute, vindictively prosecute
Comey, don't they put their law licenses
on the line? I said they do. And not
only that, they will probably join the
ignoble club of Rudy Giuliani, Kenneth
Chzboro, Jeffrey Clark, John Eastman,
attorneys who have been disbarred or are
still pending disbarment because they
were willing to do the dirty, unethical,
nefarious bidding of Donald Trump.
Right. Well, look, uh, this process is
obviously playing out right now. So, for
those who are watching, if you want to
follow along, please make sure to
subscribe. The links to both of our
channels are right here on the screen.
It's a great way to support our work. It
is completely free and a great way to
support independent media. I'm Brian
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And I'm Glenn Kersner.
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Trump shares apparent AI video promoting ‘medbed’ conspiracy theory
by Jake Tapper
CNN
Sep 28, 2025
In a post that has since been deleted, President Donald Trump shared an apparent AI video of himself promoting a cure-all bed with origins in conspiratorial corners of the internet. CNN's Jake Tapper reports.
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Trump Deletes Post Referencing Bizarre ‘Medbed’ Conspiracy Theory
Forbes Breaking News
Sep 28, 2025
President Donald Trump shared and then deleted a seemingly AI-generated video in which he was seen promising Americans access to “medbeds,” a fictional technology popular with some far-right conspiracy theorists who believe they secretly exist and hold miracle cures for every illness.
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Trump's COGNITION Questioned After Posting FAKE "Medbed" AI Video
Really American
Sep 28, 2025
Really American host Steve Harness breaks down Trump posting a fake AI video of himself without seemingly realizing her never said those words and the whole "Medbed" story is fake!
Transcript
What if I told you there's a secret
medical technology out there that can
cure cancer, reverse aging, regrow
limbs, and even bring people back from
the brink of death?
Well, I would say you're batshita crazy.
And if anyone in a position of authority
is pushing this kind of conspiracy
theory garbage that they should lose
their jobs or get arrested for selling
snake oil. And if for some crazy reason
the president of the United States, use
the power of the White House to announce
something like this, I would say it's
time to send Grandpa Trump off to Shady
Acres retirement home and call it a day
for democracy and common sense. Yet that
is exactly what just happened. Our dear
leader just posted a deep fake AI video
of himself promoting this medbed
conspiracy and absolutely nobody on the
right is sounding the alarm or getting
the cabinet together to enact the 25th
amendment and remove him from office.
I I I I'm I'm
I don't know what to say other than hit
subscribe to Really American Media
because unfortunately I just spent my
entire morning going down QAnon
conspiracy theory rabbit holes to learn
what the hell a medbed is. Now I'm here
to share the insanity that is America in
2025.
Greetings terans. This is Commander
Immano Ru with the Galactic Federation
of Worlds here today to talk about
medbeds. Will humanity receive these?
It's not a matter of will, but when?
Unfortunately, sickness is extremely
profitable to many companies. And as
long as greed takes priority over the
well-being of humanity, unfortunately,
this technology will not exist.
Yeah, that guy who is even an
embarrassment to trekies is promoting
the same thing that our president is. Q
Anon believes in something called
medbeds that can apparently cure all
diseases. The medbed as I had said to
you guys is being guarded by the
military and the divine beings and it
will be released when it is safe for
everyone to have access to it because
the if we released it prematurely
although we would like as many people to
get healed now if it is released
prematurely and the wrong side gets a
hold of it again like they did uh many
many decades ago So then we will be back
to square one and you will have
pharmaceutical industries thriving
instead of the weed people being
healthy.
So does the idea of a medbed that can
cure all medical issues and even regrow
missing limbs sound too good to be true.
Well that's because it obviously is. But
that hasn't stopped the tinfoil hack
crowd from spreading fake videos like
this.
Mr. President, it's wonderful to have
you on. What can you tell us about this
amazing new scientific invention?
Well, Clara, thank you and everyone on
Fox News for having me on. I'm joining
you tonight to share some news on our
progress with this incredible new medbed
technology. The Tesla Medbed is a very
high techch piece of medical equipment
that is used to heal people of all kinds
of diseases, ailments, aging, and even
mortality. Now, isn't it interesting
that they made that fake video to look
like a Fox News broadcast? Maybe it's
because they know that the Fox News
viewers are a bunch of gullible sheep
that might actually believe that sort of
insanity. After all, I mean, they
believe Trump is qualified to be
president and have also rallied around
this guy. Is a very high-tech piece of
medical equipment that is used to heal
people of all kinds of diseases,
ailments, aging, and even mortality. It
is an incredible piece of technology and
has had truly remarkable healing results
for patients all over the world. People
from all ages and all walks of life have
used a Tesla medbed to heal from some of
the most severe and even terminal
illnesses.
Yeah, that's also AI. And again, these
medbeds are 100% fake. Yet, none of this
stopped the president of the United
States of America from posting this
video on social media late last night. a
video that he would obviously know is
fake because he's in it saying things he
never said.
President Donald J. Trump has announced
a historic new health care system, the
launch of America's first medbed
hospitals and a national medbed card for
every citizen.
Every American will soon receive their
own MedBed card. With it, you'll have
guaranteed access to our new hospitals
led by the top doctors in the nation.
Equipped with the most advanced
technology in the world, these
facilities are safe, modern, and
designed to restore every citizen to
full health and strength. This is the
beginning of a new era in American
healthcare.
In this first phase, only a limited
number of med bed cards will be
released. Registration details will be
announced very soon.
Seriously, what in the holy effing hell
did we just watch? Trump actually posted
that last night. And maybe Grandpa
Trump, who is 79, should have the keys
to the White House taken away, or at
least take his cell phone away after
8:00 p.m. like I used to do with my
children. And it really makes me wonder
if Trump, the second oldest man to ever
serve as president, thought that was
real or plausible or funny, which it
isn't. Who knows? Because early this
morning, somebody deleted that post. And
now I guess we're all supposed to just
uh move on. Pretend the so-called leader
of the free world doesn't sound like a
QAnon podcast host.
We're going to be talking a lot about
the medbeds. You know a lot about them,
right, Jonathan? I mean, this stuff is
swirling around. A lot of people I get
emails all the time about when are the
medbeds coming out. I know they're they
are set to come out at a certain time um
when the medical industry gets cleaned
up. And maybe Trump world deleted that
post because the president was
immediately mocked by anybody with more
than two brain cells. So that excludes
Mega and Qanon. Mr. Gavin Newsome chimed
in saying Trump is about to shut down
the government and rip health care from
20 million Americans. What's he doing?
Posting AI generated slop about miracle
hospital beds that cure all illness.
Donald Trump has lost it. Yeah. score
one for Gavin and subtract a million
points if you voted for Trump. Speaking
of President Cinkles, this tweet is
spoton by saying, quote, "Clearly these
miracle beds do not exist because if
they did, they would have cured Trump's
dementia, obesity, and severely swollen
ankles by now." Touche. And someone even
asked Elon Musk's own AI chatbot if
medbeds are real. and Grock replied, "A
medbed card refers to a fictional
concept from online conspiracy theories
often tied to QAnon or far-right
circles. It supposedly grants access to
medbeds, imaginary high-tech beds that
instantly heal any illness or injury
using advanced or alien technology. It's
not real. It's part of baseless claims
about hidden medical miracles." The term
popped up in recent viral posts
imagining a policy for free cards to all
Americans. And yeah, that free card
thing is what our dear leader just
posted for millions of people to see. I
honestly cannot believe this is an
actual story I'm reporting on. But
seeing is believing, and I need you to
never forget that this actually
happened. These facilities are safe,
modern, and designed to restore every
citizen to full health and strength.
This is the beginning of a new era in
American healthcare.
Yeah. And again, somebody did delete
that post, but in this modern era,
nothing has ever really deleted from the
internet, so I'm glad I got the copies
to share with you. Please don't forget
that this ever happened. And all of this
has people saying the same thing. That's
nice. Now release the Epstein files. And
we could not agree more. So like this
video, share it worldwide so everyone
can see what a show America is
right now. Then comment below and get
vocal. From the vocal minority with Nick
and Steve podcast, I'm Steve Harnesses
for Really American Media.
by Jake Tapper
CNN
Sep 28, 2025
In a post that has since been deleted, President Donald Trump shared an apparent AI video of himself promoting a cure-all bed with origins in conspiratorial corners of the internet. CNN's Jake Tapper reports.
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Trump Deletes Post Referencing Bizarre ‘Medbed’ Conspiracy Theory
Forbes Breaking News
Sep 28, 2025
President Donald Trump shared and then deleted a seemingly AI-generated video in which he was seen promising Americans access to “medbeds,” a fictional technology popular with some far-right conspiracy theorists who believe they secretly exist and hold miracle cures for every illness.
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Trump's COGNITION Questioned After Posting FAKE "Medbed" AI Video
Really American
Sep 28, 2025
Really American host Steve Harness breaks down Trump posting a fake AI video of himself without seemingly realizing her never said those words and the whole "Medbed" story is fake!
Transcript
What if I told you there's a secret
medical technology out there that can
cure cancer, reverse aging, regrow
limbs, and even bring people back from
the brink of death?
Well, I would say you're batshita crazy.
And if anyone in a position of authority
is pushing this kind of conspiracy
theory garbage that they should lose
their jobs or get arrested for selling
snake oil. And if for some crazy reason
the president of the United States, use
the power of the White House to announce
something like this, I would say it's
time to send Grandpa Trump off to Shady
Acres retirement home and call it a day
for democracy and common sense. Yet that
is exactly what just happened. Our dear
leader just posted a deep fake AI video
of himself promoting this medbed
conspiracy and absolutely nobody on the
right is sounding the alarm or getting
the cabinet together to enact the 25th
amendment and remove him from office.
I I I I'm I'm
I don't know what to say other than hit
subscribe to Really American Media
because unfortunately I just spent my
entire morning going down QAnon
conspiracy theory rabbit holes to learn
what the hell a medbed is. Now I'm here
to share the insanity that is America in
2025.
Greetings terans. This is Commander
Immano Ru with the Galactic Federation
of Worlds here today to talk about
medbeds. Will humanity receive these?
It's not a matter of will, but when?
Unfortunately, sickness is extremely
profitable to many companies. And as
long as greed takes priority over the
well-being of humanity, unfortunately,
this technology will not exist.
Yeah, that guy who is even an
embarrassment to trekies is promoting
the same thing that our president is. Q
Anon believes in something called
medbeds that can apparently cure all
diseases. The medbed as I had said to
you guys is being guarded by the
military and the divine beings and it
will be released when it is safe for
everyone to have access to it because
the if we released it prematurely
although we would like as many people to
get healed now if it is released
prematurely and the wrong side gets a
hold of it again like they did uh many
many decades ago So then we will be back
to square one and you will have
pharmaceutical industries thriving
instead of the weed people being
healthy.
So does the idea of a medbed that can
cure all medical issues and even regrow
missing limbs sound too good to be true.
Well that's because it obviously is. But
that hasn't stopped the tinfoil hack
crowd from spreading fake videos like
this.
Mr. President, it's wonderful to have
you on. What can you tell us about this
amazing new scientific invention?
Well, Clara, thank you and everyone on
Fox News for having me on. I'm joining
you tonight to share some news on our
progress with this incredible new medbed
technology. The Tesla Medbed is a very
high techch piece of medical equipment
that is used to heal people of all kinds
of diseases, ailments, aging, and even
mortality. Now, isn't it interesting
that they made that fake video to look
like a Fox News broadcast? Maybe it's
because they know that the Fox News
viewers are a bunch of gullible sheep
that might actually believe that sort of
insanity. After all, I mean, they
believe Trump is qualified to be
president and have also rallied around
this guy. Is a very high-tech piece of
medical equipment that is used to heal
people of all kinds of diseases,
ailments, aging, and even mortality. It
is an incredible piece of technology and
has had truly remarkable healing results
for patients all over the world. People
from all ages and all walks of life have
used a Tesla medbed to heal from some of
the most severe and even terminal
illnesses.
Yeah, that's also AI. And again, these
medbeds are 100% fake. Yet, none of this
stopped the president of the United
States of America from posting this
video on social media late last night. a
video that he would obviously know is
fake because he's in it saying things he
never said.
President Donald J. Trump has announced
a historic new health care system, the
launch of America's first medbed
hospitals and a national medbed card for
every citizen.
Every American will soon receive their
own MedBed card. With it, you'll have
guaranteed access to our new hospitals
led by the top doctors in the nation.
Equipped with the most advanced
technology in the world, these
facilities are safe, modern, and
designed to restore every citizen to
full health and strength. This is the
beginning of a new era in American
healthcare.
In this first phase, only a limited
number of med bed cards will be
released. Registration details will be
announced very soon.
Seriously, what in the holy effing hell
did we just watch? Trump actually posted
that last night. And maybe Grandpa
Trump, who is 79, should have the keys
to the White House taken away, or at
least take his cell phone away after
8:00 p.m. like I used to do with my
children. And it really makes me wonder
if Trump, the second oldest man to ever
serve as president, thought that was
real or plausible or funny, which it
isn't. Who knows? Because early this
morning, somebody deleted that post. And
now I guess we're all supposed to just
uh move on. Pretend the so-called leader
of the free world doesn't sound like a
QAnon podcast host.
We're going to be talking a lot about
the medbeds. You know a lot about them,
right, Jonathan? I mean, this stuff is
swirling around. A lot of people I get
emails all the time about when are the
medbeds coming out. I know they're they
are set to come out at a certain time um
when the medical industry gets cleaned
up. And maybe Trump world deleted that
post because the president was
immediately mocked by anybody with more
than two brain cells. So that excludes
Mega and Qanon. Mr. Gavin Newsome chimed
in saying Trump is about to shut down
the government and rip health care from
20 million Americans. What's he doing?
Posting AI generated slop about miracle
hospital beds that cure all illness.
Donald Trump has lost it. Yeah. score
one for Gavin and subtract a million
points if you voted for Trump. Speaking
of President Cinkles, this tweet is
spoton by saying, quote, "Clearly these
miracle beds do not exist because if
they did, they would have cured Trump's
dementia, obesity, and severely swollen
ankles by now." Touche. And someone even
asked Elon Musk's own AI chatbot if
medbeds are real. and Grock replied, "A
medbed card refers to a fictional
concept from online conspiracy theories
often tied to QAnon or far-right
circles. It supposedly grants access to
medbeds, imaginary high-tech beds that
instantly heal any illness or injury
using advanced or alien technology. It's
not real. It's part of baseless claims
about hidden medical miracles." The term
popped up in recent viral posts
imagining a policy for free cards to all
Americans. And yeah, that free card
thing is what our dear leader just
posted for millions of people to see. I
honestly cannot believe this is an
actual story I'm reporting on. But
seeing is believing, and I need you to
never forget that this actually
happened. These facilities are safe,
modern, and designed to restore every
citizen to full health and strength.
This is the beginning of a new era in
American healthcare.
Yeah. And again, somebody did delete
that post, but in this modern era,
nothing has ever really deleted from the
internet, so I'm glad I got the copies
to share with you. Please don't forget
that this ever happened. And all of this
has people saying the same thing. That's
nice. Now release the Epstein files. And
we could not agree more. So like this
video, share it worldwide so everyone
can see what a show America is
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INTERVIEW: Is there dirt on Donald Trump?
George Galloway
Sep 25, 2025
The American public is turning on the Netanyahu regime, says Judge Napolitano, in revulsion at what the criminal apartheid government is doing in Gaza. And Donald Trump doesn't life a finger against it
Transcript
The judge is here, Andrew Napolitano,
and I'm very glad to call him the host
of Judging Freedom because our freedom
now hangs in the balance. Judge
Napoleano, thanks for joining us.
There's so much I'd like to talk to you
about. I know that you are friendly with
Donald Trump. I don't want to be
insulting to him, but I thought he
embarrassed your country at the United
Nations yesterday. What did you think?
Well, George, it's always a pleasure to
be with you, my dear friend, and uh
apologies for my coming on not at the
appointed time and thank you for your
generosity by giving me this time with
you. Uh, I thought he embarrassed the
United States and embarrassed himself
uh with the rantings and uh and ravings
um uh against the United Nations and
about climate control. And then even
worse, George, the statements he made
afterwards
uh about Ukraine, that Ukraine can, in
his word, all in caps, win and actually
take back Crimea and the Donbos and all
the regions now um uh under returned by
the Russian military uh to the Russian
Federation. Uh this type of statement is
inconceivable.
Not only is it not possible, it's not
even conceivable. It's not even worthy
of discussing other than to try and
figure out what's in the man's brain.
The best I can say is that he's teasing
everybody and wants to throw people off.
The worst I can say is he listens to
whoever he's been speaking to last,
which in this case was probably either
Sebastian Gorka or General uh Keith
Kellogg because the two of them are of
this view that with enough military
equipment uh Ukraine, which has very
little left of its military,
uh can somehow uh send the Russians home
uh packing. They do not understand the
origins of the war. The origins of the
war are the United States of America and
NATO. NATO expanding to Russian borders
and the United States along with the
British intelligence, CIA and MI6,
candidly probably led by MI6 uh
perpetrated a coup against the popularly
uh elected and relatively neutral uh
president uh in 2014 in Ukraine. And
then when Trump came into the White
House, he armed Ukraine to the teeth.
And then of course uh he was no longer a
president and Joe Biden uh decided to
fund this war. So I'm I'm very
disappointed in President Trump. I am
equally disappointed, George, in Gaza.
This is one of uh the most horrific
events in the postw World War II era.
Uh, the Congress of the United States
and the White House are in a vice grip
controlled by the American Zionist
oligarchs who know if they have dirt on
Donald Trump. I don't know if they have
threatened Donald Trump. I know they
have given his campaigns enormous
amounts of money. The public in America
is turning on the Netanyahu regime. This
has nothing to do with the Jewish people
or so-called anti-semitism.
This is a revulsion at what the criminal
apartheid government of Israel is doing
to the poor uh people uh of Gaza and
Donald Trump doesn't lift a finger
against it. I'm sorry I went on so long,
George, but I wanted to give you my
thoughts about Trump on all three areas.
what he said at the UN, what he's doing
with Ukraine, and what he's doing with
Gaza.
Uh, your honor, you could never go on
too long uh for me. I could listen to
you and frequently have listened to you
all night. Let's take the issue
serriatam.
Uh the
uh I was in Moscow when the truth social
post was made. I was in Moscow when the
speech at the UN was made.
I told our earlier guest, our good
friend Daniel McAdam, the stock market
in Moscow crashed. Uh it fell very
substantially
and the public mood was
uh well it looks like that war that
Donald Trump was going to solve in 24
hours will probably still be going on 24
months from now. It's quite clear,
unless Trump was joking, unless he's
going to pull a rabbit out of a hat
tomorrow,
that
Trump has given NATO. And by the way,
your honor, he keeps referring to NATO
in the as a third party, in the third
person,
as if America wasn't in NATO, as if
America wasn't the main thing in NATO.
and paying almost 3/4 of its costs. He's
basically saying, "Well, NATO can make
war on them if it likes." As if he
wasn't its leader.
But whichever way you dice it, this week
seems to suggest that this war in
Ukraine is going to drag on and on and
on and will be settled only on the
battlefield. Well, our two mutual
friends who are military experts, the
great Scott Ritter, actually three, uh,
the great Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson and
the great Colonel Douglas McGregor,
uh, agree with you that it'll be settled
on the battlefield, but they don't think
it's going to go on for 24 months
because there just will not be enough
human beings alive
uh, in the uh, Ukrainian military to use
the milit military equipment that NATO
will be sending uh to it. Um you know,
General Kellogg made this ridiculous
statement recently, if Putin had a real
army, he'd be in Kev right now. Well,
Putin doesn't want to be in Kev.
President Putin's goal is to degrade the
Ukrainian military so that the Russian
people don't have to go through this for
the next 20 years. and how uh General
Kellogg, a retired three-star general,
cannot understand that must mean that
he's blinded uh by ideology. But I agree
with you entirely. Even in the uh truth
social, Trump refers to his own tweets
as truth. Even in the truth social uh
where he uh referred to Ukraine can win,
he said with the help of NATO, of
course, as you say, forgetting that for
every dollar spent uh 75 cents of it uh
came uh from the United States. He also
seems to forget
that the CIA is on the ground uh in
Ukraine
uh helping identify Russian targets for
Ukrainian military and the American
military is in Visboden, Germany uh
helping to direct the uh propulsion of
American and British missiles uh against
Russian troops. He seems to forget that
those events, those processes only occur
with his permission, a permission he
could terminate with a telephone call.
So, um, and of course,
the satellites also, judge,
correct,
Americans American satellites are are
are completely indispensable. The war
would end if American intelligence from
American satellites was discontinued.
Correct. You you alluded to the fact
that his bizarre statement about Ukraine
can win might be a joke. There are a lot
of people here in the US and friends of
yours and mine in Moscow with whom I
communicated today who do believe it
might be a joke. But George, if it's a
joke, it's a sad, sick joke, which is a
window into a mind that I don't want to
go there because I'm afraid what I'm
going to find. Well, I know you don't
want to go there and because I've tested
that before with you and I I don't want
to spoil or despoil in any way your
relationship with Donald Trump, but I
you know my thoughts at the end of his
uh free form stream of consciousness
was that this is not a well man.
No, I'm sorry to say I agree with you,
George. I mean, he's my friend, but I
I'm in the same business that you are.
And like you, I have to be
intellectually honest, and I'm sorry
that I agree with you. A friend of mine
uh texted me last night when this
bizarre statement came out and said,
"This is 25th amendment territory.
The 25th amendment allows the vice
president and a majority of the
president's cabinet to depose him." Now,
I don't think that that's going to
happen, but but the the person that said
this to me is someone whose in for whose
intellect I have enormous uh respect. Uh
and it has people thinking
uh to use the language of the streets,
there are some screws loose up there.
Yes. Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. Let's
turn uh your honor to to uh Gaza. He
met, Donald Trump met with all the Arab
leaders
uh many of them heads of state
presidents. The Amir ofQatar was there.
President Erdogan of Turkey was there.
Most of the Arab and Muslim countries
were represented at the meeting. Donald
Trump said it was his most important
meeting of this current session of the
General Assembly.
What could he have said to them though
uh that I mean if they're that important
and I agree they are to America's
interests to the interests of stability
in the world bringing to an end
slaughter and so on. What could he have
said to them about the fact that
the Palestinians are being massacred
in plain sight?
The West Bank is being settled by
illegal settlers in plain sight that
Israel has declared there will be no
Palestinian state. What's left to talk
about? What how does Donald Trump square
that with these Arab and Muslim leaders?
You know, he not only has It's a great
question, George. He not only has the
tendency
uh of repeating what has been whispered
into his ear last, I suggested Sebastian
Gorka, who's a notorious whisperer and
who's almost always with him and who's a
fanatic Zionist
and a fanatic neocon. But he also has a
tendency to want to please his audience.
The statement about Ukraine uh winning
uh was made in the presence of President
Zullinski. So uh Trump who has a
weakness and that he he wants to be
loved often says what he thinks the
audience wants to hear. Look, I my my
heart is exactly where yours is. But I
have no praise for those Arab leaders
with whom he met. They are gutless. The
Amir of Qatar should have said, "Get out
of our air our air base. You're going to
allow this to happen. You're going to
reduce our air defenses. You're going to
turn off our radar. You're not a friend
or an ally. You're a tool of BB
Netanyahu." And Erdogan should say,
"We're not going to sell the Israelis
any more oil. Not a drop of oil. I don't
care if my oil companies go bankrupt.
I'm going to stop the slaughter in Gaza.
We have another mutual friends that
friend that we both like and admire, my
former Fox colleague and fellow
podcaster and still my friend and I know
yours Tucker Carlson.
Tucker two days ago while interviewing
Glenn Greenwald said that he has spoken
to people in Israel who have been in
Benjamin Netanyahu's presence and have
heard Netanyahu boast that he controls
Trump and he controls the Congress of
the United States boasting and bragging
about it. I believe that Tucker believes
the accuracy and honesty of those in
Israel who told him this. And Tucker,
notwithstanding what happened to Charlie
Kirk, has the moral courage
uh and backbone to say this on uh on his
show. And I'm going to guess you agree
with me. None of this surprises me,
George.
None of it surprises me, but I'm being
surprised hourly and I'm grateful for
your time, judge. Uh, and this is the
last question, but it's a big one.
I'm being surprised hourly by the
evidence that is emerging
which is not conclusive in one form or
another yet. But one thing is clear to
me that the FBI
cash Patel official narrative of how
Charlie was killed is not only untrue
but cannot be true.
And if they're lying about the weapon,
if they're lying about the shooter,
that means they're lying about
everything. And that means there's a big
conspiracy involved in this case. What's
your take? It's hard for me to believe
that this crazy
uh young man in love with somebody who's
half a man and half a woman, as as
bizarre as that is, uh could have pulled
this off uh on his own for the reasons
stated uh in his email uh in his text
messages to the lover and to others. I
haven't looked at all of the evidence. I
will examine what has come out in the
past uh two days and I'll examine it
wearing my judicial hat with perfect
neutrality as if I didn't know and
didn't like Charlie and as if I
respected uh the FBI. But I got to tell
you, the FBI has no respect commands no
respect in this country whether it's run
by Bob Ray or or Jim Comey or Bob
Mueller uh or Cash Patel. There's just
no respect for the FBI uh any longer. Uh
but the truth uh the truth will have to
come out. We do know
um that Charlie was under tremendous
pressure. see the interview he gave uh
my uh another former Fox colleague and
dear friend and friend of yours Megan
Kelly after he was browbeaten by Bill
Aman and a bunch of wealthy American
Zionist billionaires. They offered him a
hundred million dollars in financing if
he would change his views on Netanyahu
and the slaughter in Gaza and he turned
them down. See how he is shaking during
this interview with Megan, which is just
uh two days later. This was all a month
before uh he was murdered. Uh and for
those who rejoice in the beautiful words
of Mrs. Kirk, who forgave her husband's
murderer, and her words were beautiful,
you know what her father has retired
from doing as a living? He's an Israeli
arms merchant.
I'm almost speechless to learn that. Uh,
and I've only time now to
ask you about the rally with all of our
friends that you've got coming up.
Oh, that's so good of you.
Where is of support?
uh our uh wonderful friend uh Gerald
Senti who fights every day for peace uh
runs a rally the last Saturday of every
uh September in a town called Kingston,
New York, which is arguably the
birthplace of democracy
uh in America. The rally draws about
four or 500 people. Zero media. The
media refuses to cover it because it's
always an anti-war rally. The speakers
will be, in addition to Gerald, the
great former congressman Dennis
Cusinich, the great former CIA uh agent
who now thinks the CIA should be
disbanded, uh Ray McGovern, uh the great
former Marine and campaigner for peace,
uh Scott Ritter, the great songwriter
and singer, Roger Waters, Gerald
Sentenci, uh himself, Joe Lauria who
runs Consortium News and your humble
correspondent and we will bring the
House down with arguments on freedom of
speech, war and peace, the proper role
of the government in our lives. But as I
said to you, George, there will be zero
media there. They couldn't care less
what we say. It doesn't deter us. It
energizes us. This is in Kingston, New
York. If you live anywhere in the New
York, New Jersey, Connecticut
metropolitan area, this Saturday, uh, no
no admission fee this Saturday,
September 27th at 2:00 in the afternoon
local time.
There's nowhere in the world I'd rather
be than there. Uh, alas, I cannot be. I
wouldn't get past the border control.
But if I could teley transport myself uh
like uh like Baron Trump in the 1890s
being teley transported onto Time Square
by a rocket man called Elon. I would be
in Kingston, New York. What
if you were in Kingston, New York? If
you were in Kingston, New York, the size
of the crowd would grow in multiples.
************
INTERVIEW: We're being fed a bunch of lies about Charlie Kirk
George Galloway
Sep 28, 2025
The bullet the FBI claims hit Kirk is for grizzlies or a family of elks, producing catastrophic results. But no Kirk exit wound. No recovered round. No autopsy. Just move along now
Transcript
Jackson Hinkle joins me as my first
guest this evening. He's the smartest
23-year-old
I have ever met. And I include myself at
the age of 23. And I was pretty smart.
Jackson Hinkle, US-based political
analyst, host of the unmissable
legitimate targets. Before uh I uh hear
from you, Jackson, amongst the many
whimsies uh which constituted 4 hours of
interrogation for me in which not a
single substantive question was asked,
not a question about anything I had
done, said, written, read, or any person
I'd been in the proximity of, not one.
But there was a question about Jackson
Hen. They're mighty interested. And so
they should be the whole world should be
interested in Jackson Hinkle's views.
Jackson, I don't know where to start. Uh
touring the horizont. Let's start with
uh Netanyahu's disastrous trip to the
rostroom in the UN General Assembly in
New York. It it bombed if you'll forgive
the pun.
It it definitely did. I first want to
say thank you so much for having me on
your show again and I am very happy to
have you uh doing this show tonight as a
free man. You and Guyatri uh being so
criminally uh treated by this government
that will gladly welcome uh the former
AQ leader. I'm not going to say the
exact word because I don't want to get
banned on YouTube for you. But you all
know what uh Mr. Golani was doing in
Syria and Iraq before he was the
president of Syria. So, you have the
defense minister uh of the UK who's
welcoming this terrorist into your
country and giving him the royal
treatment. You've got meetings with the
Israeli genocidal president at Tin
Downing Street. But if you stand up for
Palestine, if you stand against the lies
that are being pushed about Russia, if
you stand for truth in in the
development of China, then I guess you
will be detained in the UK. You'll be
charged. You'll be detained under a
terrorism act. This is the most
ludicrous thing I've ever heard of. So,
I'm very happy to have you uh free and
Guyatry free. Um, and as for the events
at the United Nations, uh, I mean, I I I
can't say that I'm surprised because
this is exactly how the world should be
reacting when a genocide is taking
place. You know that a lot of people
seem shocked by this and the mainstream
media, but I think average people like
you and me, we look at this and we say,
"Well, what what other response would
there be? Why would you entertain this
genocidal lunatic as he continues his
rampage at the United Nations? He walks
out there with this big uh you know this
big lapel pin thing he had on a giant QR
code. He looks ridiculous. His speech
was even more ridiculous. You said he
had a cure starmer moment. I say he has
a Jeb Bush moment. Uh telling the the
crowd, his own paid actors in the crowd
in the audience to to laugh and clap for
him. Um, but it it really shows uh the
state of affairs right now. The world
doesn't stand with Israel. The United
States Congress does and they'll give
him a standing ovation every every 50
seconds, but uh the world does not stand
and will not entertain this madness any
longer.
The uh flirtillaa of gallant siege
breakers uh from many countries and
dozens of ships, maybe scores of ships
by now. uh throughout a media blackout
are steadily making their way uh to
Gaza. And they have now been joined by
an Italian warship and a Spanish warship
because both of these countries have a
substantial number of nationals on board
whose lives are at risk from the already
begun constant drone attacks on the
flotillaa of peaceful people bringing
aid to a starving and destitute people.
Uh the Italian government had to be
forced to do this by widespread labor
unrest in the docks by mass civil uh
actions and protests on the streets of
Italy. The Spanish government well in
advance of the Italian uh has also uh
decided to send a warship. This means
Jackson if Israel attacks the flotillaa
these warships will become engaged
and if they do if Israel fires on NATO
warships from Italy and Spain an article
5 moment will have arisen and NATO will
be honorbound if not treaty bound to
come to the rescue of the Italian and
Spanish naval forces.
This story is sailing towards a very
very big conclusion. Don't you think?
I do. And I I wonder how far those uh
naval vessels are actually going to join
along with the uh global summit
flotillaa whether they're going to try
and actually get that flotilla all the
way to Gaza and get the aid into Gaza
for the first time. This would be the
success of an operation of this kind.
So, we'll see how far they go. uh
Greece, their navy has also notably said
that they will ensure the safe passage
of the uh the flotillaa onward to Gaza.
So that's a third country that's come
out. But I I think the important point
here is just how serious countries are
taking the aggression from Israel
against these peace activists who are
not armed. They're on like sailboats.
They have aid. I guess that's a weapon
against Israel. Aid is a weapon. Uh and
and and the Italy won't even recognize a
Palestinian state. Italy is still
supplying uh you know defensive weapons
as they call them to the the Zionist
entity to carry out this genocide. But
Italy understands that Israel is so
deranged that they actually might in
fact try to sink these ships or take out
the people on the ships. Um, and this is
something Israel has denied doing. They
said, "We didn't launch any drones. We
didn't do any chemical attacks on the
people on these boats." Uh, but they
were actually debunked by the US special
envoy Tom Bareric, who came out and said
that Israel has committed attacks in
Tunisian waters over the past few weeks.
So, Israel is doing this. Everyone is
very concerned. Um, I'll I'll say, you
know, nod the nod of the head to uh to
Italy, but a bigger salute to Spain
because Spain is really sticking their
necks out. The prime minister Pedro
Sanchez, he's not perfect. He's not good
on Russia as I understand. But when it
comes to this issue where we have so few
voices in the west who are actually
doing anything uh he is really sticking
his neck out to try and uh show the
world that there's some dignity left in
western countries.
Amen to that. Now not unadjacent to this
discussion so far is the ongoing crisis
around the murder in plain sight in
broad broad daylight of the turning
point USA founder and star Charlie Kirk.
I've never seen an official narrative
die so quickly and so completely
comprehensively.
almost embarrassing to recall that just
a week ago we were told this trans
activist on a roof with a World War I
rifle uh took out with perfect accuracy
uh the jugular vein of a man 150 yards
away and that nobody else was involved
despite the decoys, despite the reported
drone own activity around the arena,
despite the audio and visual evidence.
To the contrary, despite the
extraordinary
conduct of the post crime uh scrub uh of
evidence despite the lack of an inquest,
the lack of any involvement of the
coroner that we were asked to believe
that story. But nobody in America now
believes it, do they?
No, no one believes it. I mean, even at
the at the funeral service of Charlie
Kirk, uh you had announcers there from
the Trump sanctioned media outlets on
the right wing that were very close with
Charlie Kirk. And the announcers who
were all very very good friends with
Charlie and worked with him for years uh
for this media network, they were saying
things like, you know, I don't believe
the official story. None of us up here
believe the official FBI narrative. We
were speaking with thousands of people
in the crowd waiting to come into the
funeral. They don't believe the official
story. Um I mean ju just you don't even
have to look at any of the other
evidence. All you have to look at is the
claim that a 30 odd six round was
allegedly the round that was used to uh
assassinate Charlie Kirk. This is a
round for people who don't know that
hunters use to hunt elk and moose. And
if you shoot it through a moose, it'll
go through and hit another moose behind
it and go through that moose. They use
this to shoot grizzly bears. But they're
telling us that, you know, it didn't it
hypothetically, you know, if this really
was a 30 odd six that it didn't
completely uh blow off the head of of
Charlie Kirk. Not to get too uh you know
detailed here, but that's what it would
have done. At least there would have
been an exit wound, but they're telling
us there's no exit wound. Uh we have to
believe whatever they say because they
won't show us any autopsy report.
There's some conflicting reports over
whether an autopsy even happened. Uh
there was a FBI or police dispatch from
the local police department which said
that no autopsy happened. that hasn't
been confirmed, but in the state of
Utah, autopsies are legally mandated for
murder victims. So, there's so much to
unpack here. I think we all need to come
together and just admit that this was
this is a cover up. The official story
doesn't add up. This was some sort of a
uh you know, a a conspiratorial
operation that was undertaken to kill
Charlie Kirk. And beyond that, we're not
going to get the truth. at least not for
another 50 or 100 years because right
now the powers that be are uh mudding
the waters. They're filling the internet
and social media with tons of crazy
different theories that really hold no
weight. But they're trying to make
everyone crazy looking at a hundred
different things when the truth is the
only thing we should be focused on is
that we're getting fed a bunch of lies.
Now, finally, Jackson, I'm grateful
always for your time. the uh well two
things actually if I may. Uh does the
Democratic Party still exist in the
United States? Does it have a leader? I
haven't heard anything from them or
about them. I mean, say what you like
about Trump. He certainly fills the
vacuum. He certainly fills all available
political space. But I I have no idea
who is currently in charge of the
Democrats. Have they warmed themselves
up?
I think the de facto leader of the
Democratic party right now is Gavin
Newsome. And pending there's no uh
accusations thrown his way over the
next, you know, three years, I I think
that he'll probably be the uh the
nominee for the Democratic party. He's
uh he's not particularly popular, but
he's a cleancut politician. He's a you
know, Robert Redford type. Maybe he's
got the good look. He's got he's got the
swag and he can win the hearts and minds
of middle-aged white women all across
America. I think that's what the
Democratic party is banking on. But I
don't think that's enough. I think
people their eyes have been open to
what's going on in this world. And it's
not as simple as that anymore. You
actually have to at least lie to people
that you're going to fix some of these
problems that are going on, which is
what Trump did. But we all see how far
that got us with uh Donald Trump in the
White House.
So finally, the last thing um I quoting
or misquing or paraphrasing Oscar Wild
uh Trump definitely bears the impression
of the last person to sit upon him. Uh
like the proverbial sofa. Uh and it was
uh bad luck in a way that for those of
us who want to see an end to the NATO
Russia war. Uh it was bad luck that
Zalinski caught him on a day when he
could well and truly impress him. And
suddenly the little dictator who had no
cards, who was risking World War II and
who may very well be a thief
has become a heroic figure who can have
all the weapons that NATO is prepared to
pay for. Is that what happened?
Yes. I mean, before uh Trump was even
elected, I I think a lot of us predicted
that he would give some halfmeasure
peace deal to the Russians. Russians
wouldn't accept that. He'd get very
upset and western escalation would uh
materialize under Trump administration
if he was elected. And that's kind of
what we're seeing now. But I think the
more important aspect here is that this
is all about making sure that Europe is
as dependent as possible on US uh oil
and gas as well as uh you know US
controlled supply chains uh all across
the world. If you look at what Trump's
saying when he spoke to the coalition of
the willing, as they call themselves, he
said, you know, I think you should
really back off the purchases of Russian
oil, uh, you know, the refined petroleum
that comes through India. You should you
should back off that and the gas that
Hungary and and Slovakia are still
taking. Well, why is he saying that?
Because he wants Europe to buy American
goods. In the same week, we saw that
Brussels told Poland to cut off the
border with Bellarus. That is the main
trade artery for Chinese goods into the
European Union. Now, as as I understand
that might be up in the air right now as
to whether or not that border still
closed, but you can see what's happening
here. Trump is trying to pressure Europe
into a position where they will be weak,
bogged down fighting Russia. The US
doesn't have to get directly involved
and Europe will become another weak
proxy that the US will inevitably make a
lot of money off of.
George Galloway
Sep 25, 2025
The American public is turning on the Netanyahu regime, says Judge Napolitano, in revulsion at what the criminal apartheid government is doing in Gaza. And Donald Trump doesn't life a finger against it
Transcript
The judge is here, Andrew Napolitano,
and I'm very glad to call him the host
of Judging Freedom because our freedom
now hangs in the balance. Judge
Napoleano, thanks for joining us.
There's so much I'd like to talk to you
about. I know that you are friendly with
Donald Trump. I don't want to be
insulting to him, but I thought he
embarrassed your country at the United
Nations yesterday. What did you think?
Well, George, it's always a pleasure to
be with you, my dear friend, and uh
apologies for my coming on not at the
appointed time and thank you for your
generosity by giving me this time with
you. Uh, I thought he embarrassed the
United States and embarrassed himself
uh with the rantings and uh and ravings
um uh against the United Nations and
about climate control. And then even
worse, George, the statements he made
afterwards
uh about Ukraine, that Ukraine can, in
his word, all in caps, win and actually
take back Crimea and the Donbos and all
the regions now um uh under returned by
the Russian military uh to the Russian
Federation. Uh this type of statement is
inconceivable.
Not only is it not possible, it's not
even conceivable. It's not even worthy
of discussing other than to try and
figure out what's in the man's brain.
The best I can say is that he's teasing
everybody and wants to throw people off.
The worst I can say is he listens to
whoever he's been speaking to last,
which in this case was probably either
Sebastian Gorka or General uh Keith
Kellogg because the two of them are of
this view that with enough military
equipment uh Ukraine, which has very
little left of its military,
uh can somehow uh send the Russians home
uh packing. They do not understand the
origins of the war. The origins of the
war are the United States of America and
NATO. NATO expanding to Russian borders
and the United States along with the
British intelligence, CIA and MI6,
candidly probably led by MI6 uh
perpetrated a coup against the popularly
uh elected and relatively neutral uh
president uh in 2014 in Ukraine. And
then when Trump came into the White
House, he armed Ukraine to the teeth.
And then of course uh he was no longer a
president and Joe Biden uh decided to
fund this war. So I'm I'm very
disappointed in President Trump. I am
equally disappointed, George, in Gaza.
This is one of uh the most horrific
events in the postw World War II era.
Uh, the Congress of the United States
and the White House are in a vice grip
controlled by the American Zionist
oligarchs who know if they have dirt on
Donald Trump. I don't know if they have
threatened Donald Trump. I know they
have given his campaigns enormous
amounts of money. The public in America
is turning on the Netanyahu regime. This
has nothing to do with the Jewish people
or so-called anti-semitism.
This is a revulsion at what the criminal
apartheid government of Israel is doing
to the poor uh people uh of Gaza and
Donald Trump doesn't lift a finger
against it. I'm sorry I went on so long,
George, but I wanted to give you my
thoughts about Trump on all three areas.
what he said at the UN, what he's doing
with Ukraine, and what he's doing with
Gaza.
Uh, your honor, you could never go on
too long uh for me. I could listen to
you and frequently have listened to you
all night. Let's take the issue
serriatam.
Uh the
uh I was in Moscow when the truth social
post was made. I was in Moscow when the
speech at the UN was made.
I told our earlier guest, our good
friend Daniel McAdam, the stock market
in Moscow crashed. Uh it fell very
substantially
and the public mood was
uh well it looks like that war that
Donald Trump was going to solve in 24
hours will probably still be going on 24
months from now. It's quite clear,
unless Trump was joking, unless he's
going to pull a rabbit out of a hat
tomorrow,
that
Trump has given NATO. And by the way,
your honor, he keeps referring to NATO
in the as a third party, in the third
person,
as if America wasn't in NATO, as if
America wasn't the main thing in NATO.
and paying almost 3/4 of its costs. He's
basically saying, "Well, NATO can make
war on them if it likes." As if he
wasn't its leader.
But whichever way you dice it, this week
seems to suggest that this war in
Ukraine is going to drag on and on and
on and will be settled only on the
battlefield. Well, our two mutual
friends who are military experts, the
great Scott Ritter, actually three, uh,
the great Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson and
the great Colonel Douglas McGregor,
uh, agree with you that it'll be settled
on the battlefield, but they don't think
it's going to go on for 24 months
because there just will not be enough
human beings alive
uh, in the uh, Ukrainian military to use
the milit military equipment that NATO
will be sending uh to it. Um you know,
General Kellogg made this ridiculous
statement recently, if Putin had a real
army, he'd be in Kev right now. Well,
Putin doesn't want to be in Kev.
President Putin's goal is to degrade the
Ukrainian military so that the Russian
people don't have to go through this for
the next 20 years. and how uh General
Kellogg, a retired three-star general,
cannot understand that must mean that
he's blinded uh by ideology. But I agree
with you entirely. Even in the uh truth
social, Trump refers to his own tweets
as truth. Even in the truth social uh
where he uh referred to Ukraine can win,
he said with the help of NATO, of
course, as you say, forgetting that for
every dollar spent uh 75 cents of it uh
came uh from the United States. He also
seems to forget
that the CIA is on the ground uh in
Ukraine
uh helping identify Russian targets for
Ukrainian military and the American
military is in Visboden, Germany uh
helping to direct the uh propulsion of
American and British missiles uh against
Russian troops. He seems to forget that
those events, those processes only occur
with his permission, a permission he
could terminate with a telephone call.
So, um, and of course,
the satellites also, judge,
correct,
Americans American satellites are are
are completely indispensable. The war
would end if American intelligence from
American satellites was discontinued.
Correct. You you alluded to the fact
that his bizarre statement about Ukraine
can win might be a joke. There are a lot
of people here in the US and friends of
yours and mine in Moscow with whom I
communicated today who do believe it
might be a joke. But George, if it's a
joke, it's a sad, sick joke, which is a
window into a mind that I don't want to
go there because I'm afraid what I'm
going to find. Well, I know you don't
want to go there and because I've tested
that before with you and I I don't want
to spoil or despoil in any way your
relationship with Donald Trump, but I
you know my thoughts at the end of his
uh free form stream of consciousness
was that this is not a well man.
No, I'm sorry to say I agree with you,
George. I mean, he's my friend, but I
I'm in the same business that you are.
And like you, I have to be
intellectually honest, and I'm sorry
that I agree with you. A friend of mine
uh texted me last night when this
bizarre statement came out and said,
"This is 25th amendment territory.
The 25th amendment allows the vice
president and a majority of the
president's cabinet to depose him." Now,
I don't think that that's going to
happen, but but the the person that said
this to me is someone whose in for whose
intellect I have enormous uh respect. Uh
and it has people thinking
uh to use the language of the streets,
there are some screws loose up there.
Yes. Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. Let's
turn uh your honor to to uh Gaza. He
met, Donald Trump met with all the Arab
leaders
uh many of them heads of state
presidents. The Amir ofQatar was there.
President Erdogan of Turkey was there.
Most of the Arab and Muslim countries
were represented at the meeting. Donald
Trump said it was his most important
meeting of this current session of the
General Assembly.
What could he have said to them though
uh that I mean if they're that important
and I agree they are to America's
interests to the interests of stability
in the world bringing to an end
slaughter and so on. What could he have
said to them about the fact that
the Palestinians are being massacred
in plain sight?
The West Bank is being settled by
illegal settlers in plain sight that
Israel has declared there will be no
Palestinian state. What's left to talk
about? What how does Donald Trump square
that with these Arab and Muslim leaders?
You know, he not only has It's a great
question, George. He not only has the
tendency
uh of repeating what has been whispered
into his ear last, I suggested Sebastian
Gorka, who's a notorious whisperer and
who's almost always with him and who's a
fanatic Zionist
and a fanatic neocon. But he also has a
tendency to want to please his audience.
The statement about Ukraine uh winning
uh was made in the presence of President
Zullinski. So uh Trump who has a
weakness and that he he wants to be
loved often says what he thinks the
audience wants to hear. Look, I my my
heart is exactly where yours is. But I
have no praise for those Arab leaders
with whom he met. They are gutless. The
Amir of Qatar should have said, "Get out
of our air our air base. You're going to
allow this to happen. You're going to
reduce our air defenses. You're going to
turn off our radar. You're not a friend
or an ally. You're a tool of BB
Netanyahu." And Erdogan should say,
"We're not going to sell the Israelis
any more oil. Not a drop of oil. I don't
care if my oil companies go bankrupt.
I'm going to stop the slaughter in Gaza.
We have another mutual friends that
friend that we both like and admire, my
former Fox colleague and fellow
podcaster and still my friend and I know
yours Tucker Carlson.
Tucker two days ago while interviewing
Glenn Greenwald said that he has spoken
to people in Israel who have been in
Benjamin Netanyahu's presence and have
heard Netanyahu boast that he controls
Trump and he controls the Congress of
the United States boasting and bragging
about it. I believe that Tucker believes
the accuracy and honesty of those in
Israel who told him this. And Tucker,
notwithstanding what happened to Charlie
Kirk, has the moral courage
uh and backbone to say this on uh on his
show. And I'm going to guess you agree
with me. None of this surprises me,
George.
None of it surprises me, but I'm being
surprised hourly and I'm grateful for
your time, judge. Uh, and this is the
last question, but it's a big one.
I'm being surprised hourly by the
evidence that is emerging
which is not conclusive in one form or
another yet. But one thing is clear to
me that the FBI
cash Patel official narrative of how
Charlie was killed is not only untrue
but cannot be true.
And if they're lying about the weapon,
if they're lying about the shooter,
that means they're lying about
everything. And that means there's a big
conspiracy involved in this case. What's
your take? It's hard for me to believe
that this crazy
uh young man in love with somebody who's
half a man and half a woman, as as
bizarre as that is, uh could have pulled
this off uh on his own for the reasons
stated uh in his email uh in his text
messages to the lover and to others. I
haven't looked at all of the evidence. I
will examine what has come out in the
past uh two days and I'll examine it
wearing my judicial hat with perfect
neutrality as if I didn't know and
didn't like Charlie and as if I
respected uh the FBI. But I got to tell
you, the FBI has no respect commands no
respect in this country whether it's run
by Bob Ray or or Jim Comey or Bob
Mueller uh or Cash Patel. There's just
no respect for the FBI uh any longer. Uh
but the truth uh the truth will have to
come out. We do know
um that Charlie was under tremendous
pressure. see the interview he gave uh
my uh another former Fox colleague and
dear friend and friend of yours Megan
Kelly after he was browbeaten by Bill
Aman and a bunch of wealthy American
Zionist billionaires. They offered him a
hundred million dollars in financing if
he would change his views on Netanyahu
and the slaughter in Gaza and he turned
them down. See how he is shaking during
this interview with Megan, which is just
uh two days later. This was all a month
before uh he was murdered. Uh and for
those who rejoice in the beautiful words
of Mrs. Kirk, who forgave her husband's
murderer, and her words were beautiful,
you know what her father has retired
from doing as a living? He's an Israeli
arms merchant.
I'm almost speechless to learn that. Uh,
and I've only time now to
ask you about the rally with all of our
friends that you've got coming up.
Oh, that's so good of you.
Where is of support?
uh our uh wonderful friend uh Gerald
Senti who fights every day for peace uh
runs a rally the last Saturday of every
uh September in a town called Kingston,
New York, which is arguably the
birthplace of democracy
uh in America. The rally draws about
four or 500 people. Zero media. The
media refuses to cover it because it's
always an anti-war rally. The speakers
will be, in addition to Gerald, the
great former congressman Dennis
Cusinich, the great former CIA uh agent
who now thinks the CIA should be
disbanded, uh Ray McGovern, uh the great
former Marine and campaigner for peace,
uh Scott Ritter, the great songwriter
and singer, Roger Waters, Gerald
Sentenci, uh himself, Joe Lauria who
runs Consortium News and your humble
correspondent and we will bring the
House down with arguments on freedom of
speech, war and peace, the proper role
of the government in our lives. But as I
said to you, George, there will be zero
media there. They couldn't care less
what we say. It doesn't deter us. It
energizes us. This is in Kingston, New
York. If you live anywhere in the New
York, New Jersey, Connecticut
metropolitan area, this Saturday, uh, no
no admission fee this Saturday,
September 27th at 2:00 in the afternoon
local time.
There's nowhere in the world I'd rather
be than there. Uh, alas, I cannot be. I
wouldn't get past the border control.
But if I could teley transport myself uh
like uh like Baron Trump in the 1890s
being teley transported onto Time Square
by a rocket man called Elon. I would be
in Kingston, New York. What
if you were in Kingston, New York? If
you were in Kingston, New York, the size
of the crowd would grow in multiples.
************
INTERVIEW: We're being fed a bunch of lies about Charlie Kirk
George Galloway
Sep 28, 2025
The bullet the FBI claims hit Kirk is for grizzlies or a family of elks, producing catastrophic results. But no Kirk exit wound. No recovered round. No autopsy. Just move along now
Transcript
Jackson Hinkle joins me as my first
guest this evening. He's the smartest
23-year-old
I have ever met. And I include myself at
the age of 23. And I was pretty smart.
Jackson Hinkle, US-based political
analyst, host of the unmissable
legitimate targets. Before uh I uh hear
from you, Jackson, amongst the many
whimsies uh which constituted 4 hours of
interrogation for me in which not a
single substantive question was asked,
not a question about anything I had
done, said, written, read, or any person
I'd been in the proximity of, not one.
But there was a question about Jackson
Hen. They're mighty interested. And so
they should be the whole world should be
interested in Jackson Hinkle's views.
Jackson, I don't know where to start. Uh
touring the horizont. Let's start with
uh Netanyahu's disastrous trip to the
rostroom in the UN General Assembly in
New York. It it bombed if you'll forgive
the pun.
It it definitely did. I first want to
say thank you so much for having me on
your show again and I am very happy to
have you uh doing this show tonight as a
free man. You and Guyatri uh being so
criminally uh treated by this government
that will gladly welcome uh the former
AQ leader. I'm not going to say the
exact word because I don't want to get
banned on YouTube for you. But you all
know what uh Mr. Golani was doing in
Syria and Iraq before he was the
president of Syria. So, you have the
defense minister uh of the UK who's
welcoming this terrorist into your
country and giving him the royal
treatment. You've got meetings with the
Israeli genocidal president at Tin
Downing Street. But if you stand up for
Palestine, if you stand against the lies
that are being pushed about Russia, if
you stand for truth in in the
development of China, then I guess you
will be detained in the UK. You'll be
charged. You'll be detained under a
terrorism act. This is the most
ludicrous thing I've ever heard of. So,
I'm very happy to have you uh free and
Guyatry free. Um, and as for the events
at the United Nations, uh, I mean, I I I
can't say that I'm surprised because
this is exactly how the world should be
reacting when a genocide is taking
place. You know that a lot of people
seem shocked by this and the mainstream
media, but I think average people like
you and me, we look at this and we say,
"Well, what what other response would
there be? Why would you entertain this
genocidal lunatic as he continues his
rampage at the United Nations? He walks
out there with this big uh you know this
big lapel pin thing he had on a giant QR
code. He looks ridiculous. His speech
was even more ridiculous. You said he
had a cure starmer moment. I say he has
a Jeb Bush moment. Uh telling the the
crowd, his own paid actors in the crowd
in the audience to to laugh and clap for
him. Um, but it it really shows uh the
state of affairs right now. The world
doesn't stand with Israel. The United
States Congress does and they'll give
him a standing ovation every every 50
seconds, but uh the world does not stand
and will not entertain this madness any
longer.
The uh flirtillaa of gallant siege
breakers uh from many countries and
dozens of ships, maybe scores of ships
by now. uh throughout a media blackout
are steadily making their way uh to
Gaza. And they have now been joined by
an Italian warship and a Spanish warship
because both of these countries have a
substantial number of nationals on board
whose lives are at risk from the already
begun constant drone attacks on the
flotillaa of peaceful people bringing
aid to a starving and destitute people.
Uh the Italian government had to be
forced to do this by widespread labor
unrest in the docks by mass civil uh
actions and protests on the streets of
Italy. The Spanish government well in
advance of the Italian uh has also uh
decided to send a warship. This means
Jackson if Israel attacks the flotillaa
these warships will become engaged
and if they do if Israel fires on NATO
warships from Italy and Spain an article
5 moment will have arisen and NATO will
be honorbound if not treaty bound to
come to the rescue of the Italian and
Spanish naval forces.
This story is sailing towards a very
very big conclusion. Don't you think?
I do. And I I wonder how far those uh
naval vessels are actually going to join
along with the uh global summit
flotillaa whether they're going to try
and actually get that flotilla all the
way to Gaza and get the aid into Gaza
for the first time. This would be the
success of an operation of this kind.
So, we'll see how far they go. uh
Greece, their navy has also notably said
that they will ensure the safe passage
of the uh the flotillaa onward to Gaza.
So that's a third country that's come
out. But I I think the important point
here is just how serious countries are
taking the aggression from Israel
against these peace activists who are
not armed. They're on like sailboats.
They have aid. I guess that's a weapon
against Israel. Aid is a weapon. Uh and
and and the Italy won't even recognize a
Palestinian state. Italy is still
supplying uh you know defensive weapons
as they call them to the the Zionist
entity to carry out this genocide. But
Italy understands that Israel is so
deranged that they actually might in
fact try to sink these ships or take out
the people on the ships. Um, and this is
something Israel has denied doing. They
said, "We didn't launch any drones. We
didn't do any chemical attacks on the
people on these boats." Uh, but they
were actually debunked by the US special
envoy Tom Bareric, who came out and said
that Israel has committed attacks in
Tunisian waters over the past few weeks.
So, Israel is doing this. Everyone is
very concerned. Um, I'll I'll say, you
know, nod the nod of the head to uh to
Italy, but a bigger salute to Spain
because Spain is really sticking their
necks out. The prime minister Pedro
Sanchez, he's not perfect. He's not good
on Russia as I understand. But when it
comes to this issue where we have so few
voices in the west who are actually
doing anything uh he is really sticking
his neck out to try and uh show the
world that there's some dignity left in
western countries.
Amen to that. Now not unadjacent to this
discussion so far is the ongoing crisis
around the murder in plain sight in
broad broad daylight of the turning
point USA founder and star Charlie Kirk.
I've never seen an official narrative
die so quickly and so completely
comprehensively.
almost embarrassing to recall that just
a week ago we were told this trans
activist on a roof with a World War I
rifle uh took out with perfect accuracy
uh the jugular vein of a man 150 yards
away and that nobody else was involved
despite the decoys, despite the reported
drone own activity around the arena,
despite the audio and visual evidence.
To the contrary, despite the
extraordinary
conduct of the post crime uh scrub uh of
evidence despite the lack of an inquest,
the lack of any involvement of the
coroner that we were asked to believe
that story. But nobody in America now
believes it, do they?
No, no one believes it. I mean, even at
the at the funeral service of Charlie
Kirk, uh you had announcers there from
the Trump sanctioned media outlets on
the right wing that were very close with
Charlie Kirk. And the announcers who
were all very very good friends with
Charlie and worked with him for years uh
for this media network, they were saying
things like, you know, I don't believe
the official story. None of us up here
believe the official FBI narrative. We
were speaking with thousands of people
in the crowd waiting to come into the
funeral. They don't believe the official
story. Um I mean ju just you don't even
have to look at any of the other
evidence. All you have to look at is the
claim that a 30 odd six round was
allegedly the round that was used to uh
assassinate Charlie Kirk. This is a
round for people who don't know that
hunters use to hunt elk and moose. And
if you shoot it through a moose, it'll
go through and hit another moose behind
it and go through that moose. They use
this to shoot grizzly bears. But they're
telling us that, you know, it didn't it
hypothetically, you know, if this really
was a 30 odd six that it didn't
completely uh blow off the head of of
Charlie Kirk. Not to get too uh you know
detailed here, but that's what it would
have done. At least there would have
been an exit wound, but they're telling
us there's no exit wound. Uh we have to
believe whatever they say because they
won't show us any autopsy report.
There's some conflicting reports over
whether an autopsy even happened. Uh
there was a FBI or police dispatch from
the local police department which said
that no autopsy happened. that hasn't
been confirmed, but in the state of
Utah, autopsies are legally mandated for
murder victims. So, there's so much to
unpack here. I think we all need to come
together and just admit that this was
this is a cover up. The official story
doesn't add up. This was some sort of a
uh you know, a a conspiratorial
operation that was undertaken to kill
Charlie Kirk. And beyond that, we're not
going to get the truth. at least not for
another 50 or 100 years because right
now the powers that be are uh mudding
the waters. They're filling the internet
and social media with tons of crazy
different theories that really hold no
weight. But they're trying to make
everyone crazy looking at a hundred
different things when the truth is the
only thing we should be focused on is
that we're getting fed a bunch of lies.
Now, finally, Jackson, I'm grateful
always for your time. the uh well two
things actually if I may. Uh does the
Democratic Party still exist in the
United States? Does it have a leader? I
haven't heard anything from them or
about them. I mean, say what you like
about Trump. He certainly fills the
vacuum. He certainly fills all available
political space. But I I have no idea
who is currently in charge of the
Democrats. Have they warmed themselves
up?
I think the de facto leader of the
Democratic party right now is Gavin
Newsome. And pending there's no uh
accusations thrown his way over the
next, you know, three years, I I think
that he'll probably be the uh the
nominee for the Democratic party. He's
uh he's not particularly popular, but
he's a cleancut politician. He's a you
know, Robert Redford type. Maybe he's
got the good look. He's got he's got the
swag and he can win the hearts and minds
of middle-aged white women all across
America. I think that's what the
Democratic party is banking on. But I
don't think that's enough. I think
people their eyes have been open to
what's going on in this world. And it's
not as simple as that anymore. You
actually have to at least lie to people
that you're going to fix some of these
problems that are going on, which is
what Trump did. But we all see how far
that got us with uh Donald Trump in the
White House.
So finally, the last thing um I quoting
or misquing or paraphrasing Oscar Wild
uh Trump definitely bears the impression
of the last person to sit upon him. Uh
like the proverbial sofa. Uh and it was
uh bad luck in a way that for those of
us who want to see an end to the NATO
Russia war. Uh it was bad luck that
Zalinski caught him on a day when he
could well and truly impress him. And
suddenly the little dictator who had no
cards, who was risking World War II and
who may very well be a thief
has become a heroic figure who can have
all the weapons that NATO is prepared to
pay for. Is that what happened?
Yes. I mean, before uh Trump was even
elected, I I think a lot of us predicted
that he would give some halfmeasure
peace deal to the Russians. Russians
wouldn't accept that. He'd get very
upset and western escalation would uh
materialize under Trump administration
if he was elected. And that's kind of
what we're seeing now. But I think the
more important aspect here is that this
is all about making sure that Europe is
as dependent as possible on US uh oil
and gas as well as uh you know US
controlled supply chains uh all across
the world. If you look at what Trump's
saying when he spoke to the coalition of
the willing, as they call themselves, he
said, you know, I think you should
really back off the purchases of Russian
oil, uh, you know, the refined petroleum
that comes through India. You should you
should back off that and the gas that
Hungary and and Slovakia are still
taking. Well, why is he saying that?
Because he wants Europe to buy American
goods. In the same week, we saw that
Brussels told Poland to cut off the
border with Bellarus. That is the main
trade artery for Chinese goods into the
European Union. Now, as as I understand
that might be up in the air right now as
to whether or not that border still
closed, but you can see what's happening
here. Trump is trying to pressure Europe
into a position where they will be weak,
bogged down fighting Russia. The US
doesn't have to get directly involved
and Europe will become another weak
proxy that the US will inevitably make a
lot of money off of.
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It's Time to Fight Back Against Trump's Fascist Regime (w/ Ralph Nader) | The Chris Hedges Report
by Chris Hedges and Ralph Nader
The Chris Hedges YouTube Channel
Sep 29, 2025
Transcript
There's no functioning opposition party that can halt America's rapid descent into an authoritarian state. The
Democratic Party, which in the last presidential election saw the party hierarchy anoint a candidate who ran a
vapid, issueless, celebritydriven campaign, was soundly rejected by the voters for the grifter and demagogue
Donald Trump. The party, which is a minority in the House and the Senate, stands for nothing and fights for
nothing. Indeed, it does not even function as a political party with the concerns of its voting base routinely
ignored. Democratic Party voters, 62% of whom say the party leadership should be
replaced, 75% of whom oppose sending more military aid to Israel, and 66%
favor socialism are little more than props trotted out as extras at the highly choreographed conventions. The
sinking poll numbers, the party has a 24% positive rating and a 56% negative
rating, have done nothing to jolt the party back to reality. Hakee Jeff, the
House minority leader, and Chuck Schumer, the Senate minority leader, each of whom are from New York, have
refused to endorse the party's official candidate for mayor of New York, Zoran
Mandani, despite his energized grassroots campaign and high polling numbers. It has ignored Bernie Sanders
fighting oligarchy tour, which drew large crowds across the country and did
all it could to sabotage Sanders campaign to be the party's presidential nominee. The party continues to cravenly
serve the interests of its corporate and oligarchic donors, including the Israel
lobby, at the expense of its own viability. It refuses to mount little more than a symbolic challenge as the
Trump administration dismantles democratic institutions and eviscerates civil liberties. With government funding
set to expire tomorrow, the party could deliver a significant blow to the Trump
administration by orchestrating a partial government shutdown. This tactic
was rejected earlier this year by Schumer when he supported a continuing
resolution. But the widespread outrage over the abject failure by the party to
throw up roadblocks to Trump's authoritarianism may finally see the Democrats reluctantly react. Joining me
to discuss the crisis in the American political system, what it means if the Democratic Party continues to
capitulate, and the Trump administration's war on Democratic norms and lawful disscent is consumer advocate
and former presidential candidate Ralph Nater. I want to begin, Ralph, by
looking at the Democratic Party. Uh, I think you have long blamed the party for
this right-wword drift and even the election of Trump.
Chris, you you I have to bicker with you. Stop using the word authoritarianism to describe Trump's
fascist dictatorship, which means every state, every criteria of dictatorship
moving into a police state with only terror to look forward to. He has
violated every law that would obstruct him. He's defied judicial decisions. He
has ignored congressional exclusive authority over spending and declaration
of war and other authorities under the Constitution. There's almost no
impeachable offense that he has not committed. uh we have drafted over 23
impeachable uh articles and we're talking impeachment now and removal from
office. That's the only thing left under the Constitution that he has not ravaged
and been able to control. He has turned the Justice Department into a crooked
illegal persecutor of innocent people. uh he is self-enriching himself and his
cohorts using the office of the white house. He lies seriously and violently
turning realities into fantasies. Uh he is basically laying the groundwork with
tariffs and other policies that are going to increase prices to the American people which has already started. Uh
unemployment is increasing. people are having a hard time finding new jobs and
uh they're having a very hard time in terms of housing and other necessities
of life to protect and nurture their families. So you have all the criteria,
repression of free speech, cracking down on disscent, kidnapping people with masked ICE agents, uh including some
people who have green cards, and and some they stumbled over uh people who are actually American citizens, throwing
into dungeon concentration camps. They're called detention centers by liberals as well as right-wingers. So
the the second thing uh is in addition to dropping the word authoritarianism
is to show that the Democrats have have they they don't have a party per se.
They contract out their campaigns, their fundraising, their strategies, their
tactics, their choice of schedules and traveling, the corporate conflicted
consulting firms which have been immune from investigation by the Washington
Post, New York Times, and Wall Street Journal for years. And I have talked to all the reporters uh and I said, "You're
missing a big story. This is a the only party we have that can save the republic
from the ravages of what JD Vance in 2016 before he turned co turn co called
America's Hitler meaning he was referring to uh Trump. So having said
this it's so easy for the Democrats to throw the Republicans on the defensive
on issues that are supported by leftright voters. But they don't stand for anything because they're not in
charge of their campaign policies and programs. They got these all these uh
greedy consulting firms that go back and forth between the Democratic apparatics
and their own business. Uh it's a huge scandal that needs to be exposed. So if
the Democrats made a big issue out of increasing the minimum wage to at least $15 federal from $725,
that's 25 million workers would live better. They can say, "Go vote for a raise. You've long denied it." They can
raise social security benefits frozen for over 45 years and but and pay for it
by raising the social security tax on higher income individuals. In 2022, 200
House Democrats voted for such a bill by John Larson, Congressman from Connecticut. But Nancy Pelosi wouldn't
take it to the floor. That would help 65 million retired Americans. He could
restore this child tax credit, providing $300 a month to 61 million children from
both liberal and conservative families. The Republicans are against all of these. So you cut the the you cut the
difference between the parties sharply with huge polling. If you went into the
next issue, which is cracking down on corporate crooks that are stealing the hard-earned earnings and savings of all
Americans, that comes in at 85% in the polls. What's there to lose? Campaign
money from Wall Street to Chuck Schumer and to Hakee Jeff. And then the other
big one is which Kamela Harris raised but never really emphasized. It was a
throwaway line. Raise taxes on the hugely undertaxed super rich and and
multinationals. And that comes in at 85%. That's a lot of conservatives who are
fed up with how these big companies are getting away with it. So you you're
dealing with, you know, just endless opportunities that Franklin Dela Roosevelt, Harry Truman, even Lynden
Johnson would have adopted to landslide the Republicans. So now the Democrats
are hours away from a potential shutdown, but they haven't made the case. They say that it's due to they
want to reverse the uh ending the subsidies for Obamacare. That's almost
30 million. who are going to experience very high increase in health care
premiums as of January and they want to get rid of the uh depletion of Medicaid
to 10 to 15 million people are going to lose it in order to pay for tax cuts for
the super wealthy including Trump's family. So that's not enough. They don't
say it. They don't know how to say it right. They don't know how to talk about how many people would be benefited by
continuing the subsidies and stopping the hemorrhaging of Medicaid. They just
are letting consultants use uh use the words they use.
So in 2001, Robert Rush, former uh labor secretary under Clinton, wrote an
article for the OpEd and he basically said the Democratic Party is dead, dead.
And that's the pro problem for the American people. And that's why the clamoring at town meetings where people
are shouting at the Democratic senators and representatives, start fighting,
start going after the GOP, protect us, defend us, represent us, is still not
breaking through. Schumer and Jeffrey should resign immediately. They have
turned themselves into Trojan horses. And if the government shuts down
partially on October 1, I'm not sure they can make the case in
the polls yet because they have surrendered their integrity and independence to these commercial
consultants who have corporate clients throughout the year. What are they doing hiring then for the Democratic party?
Do you see any any hope in the Mandani campaign? Yes. So it looks like he's going to win.
The more he's battered by the billionaires and the real estate industry and Israeli lobby, his polls
keep going up. So the the the key thing is turnout. There are huge numbers of
younger New Yorkers uh who are registered to vote, who don't vote. They
came out for the primary, a small number, but Cuomo is relying on a low
turnout. Uh and uh so the issue is he's got over 16,000 volunteers. They should
be able to get a major vote turnout. He's getting a lot of media, even
critical media. He turns to his advantage. But the one thing he hasn't done is answer the question, how are you
going to pay for these programs like free child care, free bus, uh bus
service, uh etc. The way he to do it is for him to come out what his colleagues
in in Albany have already come out for a bill to end the daily rebate of over $40
million a day maybe 80 million uh of the the tiny sales tax on stock transactions
onetenth of 1%. Chris, you know what you pay when you go to New York? You pay a state and city
tax that's over 8% for necessities of life in stores in New York. Onetenth to
1% will bring in anywhere from 16 to 30 billion a year. And for some reason,
even though he's been asked by 1099 Union, he's been asked by a statewide uh
religious group, he's been asked by a coalition of consumer groups, including
us to come out to end the rebate so you can answer the question how you can pay for
daycare and uh bus fair. And this bill targets
money. It actually targets money to mass transit, to healthcare, to environment,
to education. All these unions should be fighting for it. But only a
very few are because a state labor federation guy has been listening to
Napoli, the state treasurer, who's in the pockets of Wall Street, and saying, "Oh, this will harm pension fund
investments." Total nonsense. It will it will be paid primarily by very high
frequency traders. So it's a wonderful progressive sales tax for only onetenth
of 1%. Otherwise he's running a good campaign.
Yeah. I mean they they will they've already announced they will do everything they can to destroy him and
to make his uh tenure in office untenable.
Well, he's got to appoint some very smart, experienced people. Uh that's and he's fully aware of that. He he's a
pragmatic guy. Uh he's not a skydiver.
If the Democratic party uh continues in this trajectory and Trump continues to
consolidate and I I have used the word fascism. I did not use it in my introduction, but I do use the word fascism. this uh fascistic and we've
just seen this presidential memo that essentially uh equates criticism of
capitalism, criticism of ICE with with acts of terrorism. Uh
where are we headed and how fast? We're headed fast into a police state
and terrorism. He's already going after James Comey and he's persecuting him.
The indictment was two pages. It was totally flimsy uh by the grand jury,
which is a narrow decision. And uh he now says going after Senator Adam Schiff
from California. That's another very serious bright line.
He's starting to go after lawmakers. Yeah. And so that's what fascists do. They're
going after the press. He's extorting them. He's going after universities. This is technically extortion. When you
say you're going to cut off funds, you're going to block law firms from representing clients by not letting them
into federal buildings, that's the perfect definition of extortion. That's a serious crime, impeachable crime.
Clearly, it's not only his repression. Uh Chris, who's he leaving alone and who
is he cutting funds for, you know, cutting funds for FEMA with approaching
hurricanes? He's cutting funds that warn on weather patterns. He's cutting funds
that warn on pandemics. He's cutting funds at war on global warming catastrophes. He's cutting the funds of
Head Start, which Republicans and Democrats have supported. Cutting the funds on meals on wheels. Cutting the
funds on Medicaid. All these affect Trump voters as well. and they're not
coming to their senses and and turning against him in fast enough numbers. His
polls are dropping but not fast enough because he's betrayed them. Uh but it's
not just all of that that you've written and talked about, uh Chris, repression, violence, defamation,
incarceration, uh unemploying people, firing them illegally. 300,000 have left this
federal civil service since January 20. Some of them were retirements, but most
were pushed out. Closing down scientific me uh research, NIH and uh and CDC. Uh
but who's he leaving alone? And this is the definition of fascism or the corporate state. He's leaving alone
hundreds of billions of dollars of corporate handouts, giveaways, subsidies, bailouts a year. He's leaving
alone along with Musk all the corporate crooks that are bleeding federal
programs like Medicare 60 billion fraud a year. billion with the B Medicaid
heavy tens of billions of dollars by the vendors by the people who who the
companies who sell or who are contracted out to administer programs uh like the
inflated Medicare disadvantage program poking a huge hole in Medicare uh and
with deceptive ads that are not prosecuted by the Federal Trade
Commission. And of course, the military budget. He's he's added $150 billion dollars
more to the bloated military budget than the generals have asked for. 44 billion
more to Homeland Security, hired tens of thousands of mass agents, uh kidnapping
people, uh throwing them into jail without charges, uh sometimes exporting
them to dictatorial torture museums. uh uh excuse me uh uh regimes. Uh so you
got the complete definition of fascism defined by Franklin Del Roosevelt 1938
in a message to Congress. He basically said when private power takes over our
government that's fascism. Let's talk about his deployment of uh
National Guard troops in cities. uh Washington, Chicago, now Portland.
What's he doing? Um well, basically this attack on uh
Democratic controlled cities, most of them with black mayors um like Los Angeles and
New York, other places, Washington DC. Uh it's part of the fascist takeover.
You know, you you federalize the state national guard. He's using fake national
emergency uh declarations. This is Congress's fault. They gave him all this
wide open discretionary power to declare insurrection, to declare foreign
invasion, to declare uh emergency powers without any criteria or standards.
So, this goes back a long way when Congress just abdicated its role. It
doesn't want to do its job under the Constitution. Those are not executive
powers. Those are congressional powers delegated without any restraints and
accountability to any reckless president. And we've never had one more reckless. He's a egoomaniacal,
unstable, dangerous personality. He has said on the record and we printed him in our
book uh on our book on destroying America on Donald Trump. He he said that
he knows more than experts in 15 different areas. He knows more about
banks. He knows more about construction. He knows more about uh trade than
anyone. This is deranged megalomaniac person. He just said the other day before the UN, "I've been right on
everything." This is a very dangerous personality here.
Um, and let's talk about ICE. The massive expansion of ICE uh will get more its budget will now dwarf all other
federal law enforcement agencies. And this planned uh building of huge detention centers
all across the country. Uh they're not detention centers, they're concentration camps. concentration
camps. Yes, you're right. And and there uh what how is that
mechanism going to be used? One assumes that uh that not simply for undocumented
people. Well, be used for what he's already starting like he kidnapped a tough
graduate student because she wrote an oped criticism of him. So there's there
a lot of people in that category. uh citizen groups, labor groups,
uh better government groups, uh reform groups, and he's getting away
with it. And one reason, by the way, you might wonder, Chris, and your audience might wonder why people aren't suing uh
for malicious prosecution, abuse of power, the way they have successfully
sued uh out of control police violence in cities around the country under tort
law. It's because with the help of the Supreme Court, they've made it very hard
to sue federal employees uh who uh even under contract who
basically uh plead the government sovereignty defense. So that's why the ICE agents
feel that they're not going to be sued because they they come under that
protective uh cloak which the Supreme Court has been expanding. So the so
that's what the concentration camps are for. And uh now obviously public opinion
is turning against him and that's where he's going to fail. He's losing ground
even significantly among Trump voters and independent voters who voted for him
because they're seeing the betrayal even though there's been a delay in the impact because he delays the tariffs but
a whole bunch of them are going in effect October 1st and he they will see the price increases in necessities of
life kitchen table necessities very shortly. So, I expect that his polls are
going to drop to 30%. And it's only at 30%. The Hakeim Jeff and and uh Schumer
say it that's when they can go after him. Well, that waits to be seen. What
does it mean go after him? There's only one remedy. It's called impeachment in
the House, removal of the Senate. Now, people say impossible. GOP controls
both. It's not at all. Here's why. When the GOP sees his polls plummeting for 2026, it's either them up for reelection
and loss of the Congress or Trump who is not up for reelection. What do you think
they're going to pick? What's the president? Let's go to Richard Nixon. He won 49 states in 1972. He was a 60%
approval. Less than two years later, he resigned. Why? because he was about to
be impeached and removed from office for what articles? Listen to this. In
comparison, listen to the transgressions of Nixon that led to his ouster. One
count of obstructing justice and I think two counts of obstructing
justice and one article of defying a congressional subpoena. Well, he def
Trump defined 125 congressional subpoenas in his first term alone. 125
obstruction of justice. John Bolton said in his memoir, the former security assistant to Trump, who Trump is going
after, by the way, he's raided his home with FBI agents. He said, quote,
obstruction of justice was a way of life, a daily way of life in the White
House first term. So, the Democrats have hundreds of more impeachable offenses,
and they're not one-time events like Watergate. They are continuingly impeachable. He
brags about it openly. He boasts about it. He indicts himself every day. And
the Democrats on Capitol Hill are telling us, "Now is not the time for impeachment. Now is not the time. When
is the time, Jamie Raskin? When is the time, Adam Schiff? When is the time,
Schumer? When is the time, Jeff? After he's prosecuted you with rump
prosecutors for crimes and got you before a grand jury. Is that what you're waiting for? Have you ever seen a more
craven, corrupt, cowardly party in American history,
Chris? No. And and it's and it's always, you
know, you look at Vimar anywhere else, it's always a bankrupt liberalism that
sews the seeds for fascism. Well, you know, you wrote the book on
it, the death of the liberal class, which uh when I had you on my podcast
radio show, I accused you of understatement. And it's really, it's much worse. For
example, we're asking Jamie Rascin. He is now the ranking member of this House
Judiciary Committee. There's nothing stopping him from holding shadow hearings publicly with witnesses and
media on impeachment, educating the public, getting them ready for
impeachment if and when the Democrats take control of the House. Now, the House Democrats under Pelosi, they
impeached Trump twice. Once on a Ukraine extortion type thing with Hunter Biden,
not exactly a tabletop uh issue, kitchen table issue, and the other was
on January 6, insurrection. Now they have 24 serious
serious impeachable offenses, many of which are
criminal violations with jail terms like the Anti-Deficiency Act, which prohibits
uh presidents from not obeying appropriation fund orders by the
Congress, which he violates every day. He's closing down aid, impeachable offense. Congress has authorized funds
to keep it open. He's done the same thing with Education Department, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau
that protects people and has returned $21 billion from corporate crooks, including from Wall Street. So, what are
they waiting for? The longer they wait, the more they're going to have to deal with the police terror state. This guy
has no boundaries. He's a deranged, unstable personality. He's ignorant,
monoomaniacal. He knows more than everybody. And he's put entrenched yes
people that can be the counterparts of Herman Goring, Himmler, Ribentrop, guys
like Hespath, Secretary of Defense. You can't wait for a war. They're pushing
the country to war. And he'll put a country he'll put us into war to try to avoid impeachment and
send US troops. So we have retired military who despised Trump. They worked
under him. They were secretary of defense. Remember Matis, the head of the
joint seat of staffs, Mark uh and uh his
his security advisor, John Kelly, all former generals, retired now. They have
a network. What are they waiting for? It's it's they cannot be told to obey an
illegal order under the Constitution. And a Trump war without congressional
authorization is ipso facto an illegal order to every soldier that they are
under a legal requirement under the Nuremberg rules, international law to
disobey that illegal order and go fight an illegal war in some foreign land. So
Ralph, before I ask you about your new book, uh do you have any idea what this
concave of all the senior military and hegsith is about?
It's about dis dis not to disobey illegal orders that are forthcoming to
do things uh from Trump to the Pentagon to people overseas and to use the
military domestically in our cities and towns and rural areas which violate a
federal law and he can't get away with it by just declaring one fake emergency
after another. It's basically to whip potential denters
among the generals and admirals. Uh people who grew up West Point Air Force
Academy, Naval Academy, saying that their first obligation is their oath to
support the Constitution, not the Secretary of Defense or the President. It's a very dangerous whipping them into
a very pliable force for illegal action against the American people
domestically and abroad. So let's talk about at the end here your
book civil self-respect and what you call uh civic personality as opposed to
uh a personal personality. Let me just put it this way. I I want to
use this metaphor. The mighty Mississippi starts with a few rivullets in Minnesota
and Montana. The rivullets then become brooks.
Brooks then merge to become streams. The streams then merge into mighty
tributaries which then like the Missouri River feed into the giant Mississippi
River. The giant Mississippi River would not be a river without the rivullets
and the streams. So that's the metaphor. Now I read
reason I wrote this book. It's critical to all we've been discussing. The ball game now is back in the hands
of the people. They're turning out at various town meetings.
1% of them are marching and and very active. We need more than 1%. Even 2% is
5 million adults right there. And so I write this book because I would
be speaking to large audiences, Chris, around the country in past years. And at
the end, people would come up to me rather hesitantly and they would say,
"Ralph, I know I'm not I I know I'm a nobody, but I have to ask you this
question." And when I hear that, I flare. I said, 'What do you mean you're
a nobody? How can you ever say you're a nobody? You live as a citizen in this
country. How can you say you're a nobody? A worker?
Yes. Are you a consumer shopper? Yes. Are you a taxpayer? Yes. Voter? Well,
sometimes. Are you a parent? Yes. Are you a veteran? Sometimes. Well, how can you
say you're nobody? You know things about those roles. You've experienced them. You've been
frustrated. If you allow yourself to be a nobody, you're going to be treated like a nobody. You're going to be
treated like someone who doesn't count. Someone who doesn't matter, somebody who can be disrespected, someone who can be
ripped off, somebody who could be underinsured, somebody who can be suppressed.
So, let me tell you something, and that is you don't have to go out of
your way. just in your ordinary shopping, you get ripped off.
You you become more of an advocate. You move into a citizen dimension. Some of
the examples in this book just full of examples called citizen self-respect.
A a woman was kept on a tarmac in Michigan for hours with her fellow passengers.
The plane heated up. It was awful. And so when she got out, she looked into it
and she saw there's no remedy for the passengers. So she started a book, a a group called
Flyers Rights. Kate Henny was her name. And until she stopped getting support
because people often uh look the other way and think other people are going to
support these citizen groups, she made a lot of changes on on the basis of of her
experience. She became a citizen advocate. And there are people who've done this recently that have been in the
news the in the food safety area. They've mobilized because of their bad
experiences with junk food, contaminated uh food. So this is full of examples.
And so your your daily role as a a consumer, a worker, a taxpayer, voter,
whatever, you can go out of your personal role uh and develop an
additional civic energy, civic protest,
civic advocacy, and some of you are going to be so excited you're going to join existing citizen groups that want
more members and more supporters around the country focusing on Congress, for example. you'll get the the Capitol
hillcitizen.com the the new uh Capitol Hills citizen
newspaper that we're putting out. You'll connect with some local groups on housing and really basic community
necessities that are recognized by left-right families who don't fall prey
to the divide and rule tactics of the ruling classes because they want the same things for their children and for
themselves. public services, adequate uh benefits that they've already paid into,
as well as clean air, clean water, and other protections locally in the
community and the neighborhood. This is why I call this my most important book.
This is a short book, very readable, full of examples, but it's very
personal. The chapters are chapter names that have never been uh written about
before in a in a preface. I the citizen,
I the worker, I the consumer shopper, I the taxpayer, I the voter, I the parent,
I the veteran, I the philanthropist. People say philanthropy, I'm not a philanthropist. Are you kidding?
Lower and middle inome people give a higher portion of their money to charity than rich people. They're all
philanthropists. They can all decide where to put their money, how to aggregate their money, how to talk to
enlightened rich people to to fund activities which we outline in this book
at the local level. So you can get a autographed copy of this book if you're
inclined that way. Uh you can go to nater.org and it describes the book. Or you can
get it directly from the publisher, Seven Stories Press. Uh or you can get
it in other ways. You buy books online or from your independent bookstores
called citizen selfrespect has a nice commentary very brilliant
commentary by Patty Smith on the front page as well as other incoms that I
appreciate including yours Chris Hedges. Thank you very much. winner of the Pulitzer Prize for for war and author of
the book War is a force that gives meaning
is that gives meaning and I always thought that's one of your greatest
books because it really cuts deep into the selfrespect or lack of by citizens
around the country who have allowed themselves to lose their government have it be taken over by corporations
into a military corporatist plutoaucracy.
Great. Thanks, Ralph. Uh that's uh civic self-respect.
Uh I want to thank uh Diego, Max, Sophia, Thomas, and Victor who produced
the show. You can find me at chrisedges.substack.com.
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by Chris Hedges and Ralph Nader
The Chris Hedges YouTube Channel
Sep 29, 2025
Transcript
There's no functioning opposition party that can halt America's rapid descent into an authoritarian state. The
Democratic Party, which in the last presidential election saw the party hierarchy anoint a candidate who ran a
vapid, issueless, celebritydriven campaign, was soundly rejected by the voters for the grifter and demagogue
Donald Trump. The party, which is a minority in the House and the Senate, stands for nothing and fights for
nothing. Indeed, it does not even function as a political party with the concerns of its voting base routinely
ignored. Democratic Party voters, 62% of whom say the party leadership should be
replaced, 75% of whom oppose sending more military aid to Israel, and 66%
favor socialism are little more than props trotted out as extras at the highly choreographed conventions. The
sinking poll numbers, the party has a 24% positive rating and a 56% negative
rating, have done nothing to jolt the party back to reality. Hakee Jeff, the
House minority leader, and Chuck Schumer, the Senate minority leader, each of whom are from New York, have
refused to endorse the party's official candidate for mayor of New York, Zoran
Mandani, despite his energized grassroots campaign and high polling numbers. It has ignored Bernie Sanders
fighting oligarchy tour, which drew large crowds across the country and did
all it could to sabotage Sanders campaign to be the party's presidential nominee. The party continues to cravenly
serve the interests of its corporate and oligarchic donors, including the Israel
lobby, at the expense of its own viability. It refuses to mount little more than a symbolic challenge as the
Trump administration dismantles democratic institutions and eviscerates civil liberties. With government funding
set to expire tomorrow, the party could deliver a significant blow to the Trump
administration by orchestrating a partial government shutdown. This tactic
was rejected earlier this year by Schumer when he supported a continuing
resolution. But the widespread outrage over the abject failure by the party to
throw up roadblocks to Trump's authoritarianism may finally see the Democrats reluctantly react. Joining me
to discuss the crisis in the American political system, what it means if the Democratic Party continues to
capitulate, and the Trump administration's war on Democratic norms and lawful disscent is consumer advocate
and former presidential candidate Ralph Nater. I want to begin, Ralph, by
looking at the Democratic Party. Uh, I think you have long blamed the party for
this right-wword drift and even the election of Trump.
Chris, you you I have to bicker with you. Stop using the word authoritarianism to describe Trump's
fascist dictatorship, which means every state, every criteria of dictatorship
moving into a police state with only terror to look forward to. He has
violated every law that would obstruct him. He's defied judicial decisions. He
has ignored congressional exclusive authority over spending and declaration
of war and other authorities under the Constitution. There's almost no
impeachable offense that he has not committed. uh we have drafted over 23
impeachable uh articles and we're talking impeachment now and removal from
office. That's the only thing left under the Constitution that he has not ravaged
and been able to control. He has turned the Justice Department into a crooked
illegal persecutor of innocent people. uh he is self-enriching himself and his
cohorts using the office of the white house. He lies seriously and violently
turning realities into fantasies. Uh he is basically laying the groundwork with
tariffs and other policies that are going to increase prices to the American people which has already started. Uh
unemployment is increasing. people are having a hard time finding new jobs and
uh they're having a very hard time in terms of housing and other necessities
of life to protect and nurture their families. So you have all the criteria,
repression of free speech, cracking down on disscent, kidnapping people with masked ICE agents, uh including some
people who have green cards, and and some they stumbled over uh people who are actually American citizens, throwing
into dungeon concentration camps. They're called detention centers by liberals as well as right-wingers. So
the the second thing uh is in addition to dropping the word authoritarianism
is to show that the Democrats have have they they don't have a party per se.
They contract out their campaigns, their fundraising, their strategies, their
tactics, their choice of schedules and traveling, the corporate conflicted
consulting firms which have been immune from investigation by the Washington
Post, New York Times, and Wall Street Journal for years. And I have talked to all the reporters uh and I said, "You're
missing a big story. This is a the only party we have that can save the republic
from the ravages of what JD Vance in 2016 before he turned co turn co called
America's Hitler meaning he was referring to uh Trump. So having said
this it's so easy for the Democrats to throw the Republicans on the defensive
on issues that are supported by leftright voters. But they don't stand for anything because they're not in
charge of their campaign policies and programs. They got these all these uh
greedy consulting firms that go back and forth between the Democratic apparatics
and their own business. Uh it's a huge scandal that needs to be exposed. So if
the Democrats made a big issue out of increasing the minimum wage to at least $15 federal from $725,
that's 25 million workers would live better. They can say, "Go vote for a raise. You've long denied it." They can
raise social security benefits frozen for over 45 years and but and pay for it
by raising the social security tax on higher income individuals. In 2022, 200
House Democrats voted for such a bill by John Larson, Congressman from Connecticut. But Nancy Pelosi wouldn't
take it to the floor. That would help 65 million retired Americans. He could
restore this child tax credit, providing $300 a month to 61 million children from
both liberal and conservative families. The Republicans are against all of these. So you cut the the you cut the
difference between the parties sharply with huge polling. If you went into the
next issue, which is cracking down on corporate crooks that are stealing the hard-earned earnings and savings of all
Americans, that comes in at 85% in the polls. What's there to lose? Campaign
money from Wall Street to Chuck Schumer and to Hakee Jeff. And then the other
big one is which Kamela Harris raised but never really emphasized. It was a
throwaway line. Raise taxes on the hugely undertaxed super rich and and
multinationals. And that comes in at 85%. That's a lot of conservatives who are
fed up with how these big companies are getting away with it. So you you're
dealing with, you know, just endless opportunities that Franklin Dela Roosevelt, Harry Truman, even Lynden
Johnson would have adopted to landslide the Republicans. So now the Democrats
are hours away from a potential shutdown, but they haven't made the case. They say that it's due to they
want to reverse the uh ending the subsidies for Obamacare. That's almost
30 million. who are going to experience very high increase in health care
premiums as of January and they want to get rid of the uh depletion of Medicaid
to 10 to 15 million people are going to lose it in order to pay for tax cuts for
the super wealthy including Trump's family. So that's not enough. They don't
say it. They don't know how to say it right. They don't know how to talk about how many people would be benefited by
continuing the subsidies and stopping the hemorrhaging of Medicaid. They just
are letting consultants use uh use the words they use.
So in 2001, Robert Rush, former uh labor secretary under Clinton, wrote an
article for the OpEd and he basically said the Democratic Party is dead, dead.
And that's the pro problem for the American people. And that's why the clamoring at town meetings where people
are shouting at the Democratic senators and representatives, start fighting,
start going after the GOP, protect us, defend us, represent us, is still not
breaking through. Schumer and Jeffrey should resign immediately. They have
turned themselves into Trojan horses. And if the government shuts down
partially on October 1, I'm not sure they can make the case in
the polls yet because they have surrendered their integrity and independence to these commercial
consultants who have corporate clients throughout the year. What are they doing hiring then for the Democratic party?
Do you see any any hope in the Mandani campaign? Yes. So it looks like he's going to win.
The more he's battered by the billionaires and the real estate industry and Israeli lobby, his polls
keep going up. So the the the key thing is turnout. There are huge numbers of
younger New Yorkers uh who are registered to vote, who don't vote. They
came out for the primary, a small number, but Cuomo is relying on a low
turnout. Uh and uh so the issue is he's got over 16,000 volunteers. They should
be able to get a major vote turnout. He's getting a lot of media, even
critical media. He turns to his advantage. But the one thing he hasn't done is answer the question, how are you
going to pay for these programs like free child care, free bus, uh bus
service, uh etc. The way he to do it is for him to come out what his colleagues
in in Albany have already come out for a bill to end the daily rebate of over $40
million a day maybe 80 million uh of the the tiny sales tax on stock transactions
onetenth of 1%. Chris, you know what you pay when you go to New York? You pay a state and city
tax that's over 8% for necessities of life in stores in New York. Onetenth to
1% will bring in anywhere from 16 to 30 billion a year. And for some reason,
even though he's been asked by 1099 Union, he's been asked by a statewide uh
religious group, he's been asked by a coalition of consumer groups, including
us to come out to end the rebate so you can answer the question how you can pay for
daycare and uh bus fair. And this bill targets
money. It actually targets money to mass transit, to healthcare, to environment,
to education. All these unions should be fighting for it. But only a
very few are because a state labor federation guy has been listening to
Napoli, the state treasurer, who's in the pockets of Wall Street, and saying, "Oh, this will harm pension fund
investments." Total nonsense. It will it will be paid primarily by very high
frequency traders. So it's a wonderful progressive sales tax for only onetenth
of 1%. Otherwise he's running a good campaign.
Yeah. I mean they they will they've already announced they will do everything they can to destroy him and
to make his uh tenure in office untenable.
Well, he's got to appoint some very smart, experienced people. Uh that's and he's fully aware of that. He he's a
pragmatic guy. Uh he's not a skydiver.
If the Democratic party uh continues in this trajectory and Trump continues to
consolidate and I I have used the word fascism. I did not use it in my introduction, but I do use the word fascism. this uh fascistic and we've
just seen this presidential memo that essentially uh equates criticism of
capitalism, criticism of ICE with with acts of terrorism. Uh
where are we headed and how fast? We're headed fast into a police state
and terrorism. He's already going after James Comey and he's persecuting him.
The indictment was two pages. It was totally flimsy uh by the grand jury,
which is a narrow decision. And uh he now says going after Senator Adam Schiff
from California. That's another very serious bright line.
He's starting to go after lawmakers. Yeah. And so that's what fascists do. They're
going after the press. He's extorting them. He's going after universities. This is technically extortion. When you
say you're going to cut off funds, you're going to block law firms from representing clients by not letting them
into federal buildings, that's the perfect definition of extortion. That's a serious crime, impeachable crime.
Clearly, it's not only his repression. Uh Chris, who's he leaving alone and who
is he cutting funds for, you know, cutting funds for FEMA with approaching
hurricanes? He's cutting funds that warn on weather patterns. He's cutting funds
that warn on pandemics. He's cutting funds at war on global warming catastrophes. He's cutting the funds of
Head Start, which Republicans and Democrats have supported. Cutting the funds on meals on wheels. Cutting the
funds on Medicaid. All these affect Trump voters as well. and they're not
coming to their senses and and turning against him in fast enough numbers. His
polls are dropping but not fast enough because he's betrayed them. Uh but it's
not just all of that that you've written and talked about, uh Chris, repression, violence, defamation,
incarceration, uh unemploying people, firing them illegally. 300,000 have left this
federal civil service since January 20. Some of them were retirements, but most
were pushed out. Closing down scientific me uh research, NIH and uh and CDC. Uh
but who's he leaving alone? And this is the definition of fascism or the corporate state. He's leaving alone
hundreds of billions of dollars of corporate handouts, giveaways, subsidies, bailouts a year. He's leaving
alone along with Musk all the corporate crooks that are bleeding federal
programs like Medicare 60 billion fraud a year. billion with the B Medicaid
heavy tens of billions of dollars by the vendors by the people who who the
companies who sell or who are contracted out to administer programs uh like the
inflated Medicare disadvantage program poking a huge hole in Medicare uh and
with deceptive ads that are not prosecuted by the Federal Trade
Commission. And of course, the military budget. He's he's added $150 billion dollars
more to the bloated military budget than the generals have asked for. 44 billion
more to Homeland Security, hired tens of thousands of mass agents, uh kidnapping
people, uh throwing them into jail without charges, uh sometimes exporting
them to dictatorial torture museums. uh uh excuse me uh uh regimes. Uh so you
got the complete definition of fascism defined by Franklin Del Roosevelt 1938
in a message to Congress. He basically said when private power takes over our
government that's fascism. Let's talk about his deployment of uh
National Guard troops in cities. uh Washington, Chicago, now Portland.
What's he doing? Um well, basically this attack on uh
Democratic controlled cities, most of them with black mayors um like Los Angeles and
New York, other places, Washington DC. Uh it's part of the fascist takeover.
You know, you you federalize the state national guard. He's using fake national
emergency uh declarations. This is Congress's fault. They gave him all this
wide open discretionary power to declare insurrection, to declare foreign
invasion, to declare uh emergency powers without any criteria or standards.
So, this goes back a long way when Congress just abdicated its role. It
doesn't want to do its job under the Constitution. Those are not executive
powers. Those are congressional powers delegated without any restraints and
accountability to any reckless president. And we've never had one more reckless. He's a egoomaniacal,
unstable, dangerous personality. He has said on the record and we printed him in our
book uh on our book on destroying America on Donald Trump. He he said that
he knows more than experts in 15 different areas. He knows more about
banks. He knows more about construction. He knows more about uh trade than
anyone. This is deranged megalomaniac person. He just said the other day before the UN, "I've been right on
everything." This is a very dangerous personality here.
Um, and let's talk about ICE. The massive expansion of ICE uh will get more its budget will now dwarf all other
federal law enforcement agencies. And this planned uh building of huge detention centers
all across the country. Uh they're not detention centers, they're concentration camps. concentration
camps. Yes, you're right. And and there uh what how is that
mechanism going to be used? One assumes that uh that not simply for undocumented
people. Well, be used for what he's already starting like he kidnapped a tough
graduate student because she wrote an oped criticism of him. So there's there
a lot of people in that category. uh citizen groups, labor groups,
uh better government groups, uh reform groups, and he's getting away
with it. And one reason, by the way, you might wonder, Chris, and your audience might wonder why people aren't suing uh
for malicious prosecution, abuse of power, the way they have successfully
sued uh out of control police violence in cities around the country under tort
law. It's because with the help of the Supreme Court, they've made it very hard
to sue federal employees uh who uh even under contract who
basically uh plead the government sovereignty defense. So that's why the ICE agents
feel that they're not going to be sued because they they come under that
protective uh cloak which the Supreme Court has been expanding. So the so
that's what the concentration camps are for. And uh now obviously public opinion
is turning against him and that's where he's going to fail. He's losing ground
even significantly among Trump voters and independent voters who voted for him
because they're seeing the betrayal even though there's been a delay in the impact because he delays the tariffs but
a whole bunch of them are going in effect October 1st and he they will see the price increases in necessities of
life kitchen table necessities very shortly. So, I expect that his polls are
going to drop to 30%. And it's only at 30%. The Hakeim Jeff and and uh Schumer
say it that's when they can go after him. Well, that waits to be seen. What
does it mean go after him? There's only one remedy. It's called impeachment in
the House, removal of the Senate. Now, people say impossible. GOP controls
both. It's not at all. Here's why. When the GOP sees his polls plummeting for 2026, it's either them up for reelection
and loss of the Congress or Trump who is not up for reelection. What do you think
they're going to pick? What's the president? Let's go to Richard Nixon. He won 49 states in 1972. He was a 60%
approval. Less than two years later, he resigned. Why? because he was about to
be impeached and removed from office for what articles? Listen to this. In
comparison, listen to the transgressions of Nixon that led to his ouster. One
count of obstructing justice and I think two counts of obstructing
justice and one article of defying a congressional subpoena. Well, he def
Trump defined 125 congressional subpoenas in his first term alone. 125
obstruction of justice. John Bolton said in his memoir, the former security assistant to Trump, who Trump is going
after, by the way, he's raided his home with FBI agents. He said, quote,
obstruction of justice was a way of life, a daily way of life in the White
House first term. So, the Democrats have hundreds of more impeachable offenses,
and they're not one-time events like Watergate. They are continuingly impeachable. He
brags about it openly. He boasts about it. He indicts himself every day. And
the Democrats on Capitol Hill are telling us, "Now is not the time for impeachment. Now is not the time. When
is the time, Jamie Raskin? When is the time, Adam Schiff? When is the time,
Schumer? When is the time, Jeff? After he's prosecuted you with rump
prosecutors for crimes and got you before a grand jury. Is that what you're waiting for? Have you ever seen a more
craven, corrupt, cowardly party in American history,
Chris? No. And and it's and it's always, you
know, you look at Vimar anywhere else, it's always a bankrupt liberalism that
sews the seeds for fascism. Well, you know, you wrote the book on
it, the death of the liberal class, which uh when I had you on my podcast
radio show, I accused you of understatement. And it's really, it's much worse. For
example, we're asking Jamie Rascin. He is now the ranking member of this House
Judiciary Committee. There's nothing stopping him from holding shadow hearings publicly with witnesses and
media on impeachment, educating the public, getting them ready for
impeachment if and when the Democrats take control of the House. Now, the House Democrats under Pelosi, they
impeached Trump twice. Once on a Ukraine extortion type thing with Hunter Biden,
not exactly a tabletop uh issue, kitchen table issue, and the other was
on January 6, insurrection. Now they have 24 serious
serious impeachable offenses, many of which are
criminal violations with jail terms like the Anti-Deficiency Act, which prohibits
uh presidents from not obeying appropriation fund orders by the
Congress, which he violates every day. He's closing down aid, impeachable offense. Congress has authorized funds
to keep it open. He's done the same thing with Education Department, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau
that protects people and has returned $21 billion from corporate crooks, including from Wall Street. So, what are
they waiting for? The longer they wait, the more they're going to have to deal with the police terror state. This guy
has no boundaries. He's a deranged, unstable personality. He's ignorant,
monoomaniacal. He knows more than everybody. And he's put entrenched yes
people that can be the counterparts of Herman Goring, Himmler, Ribentrop, guys
like Hespath, Secretary of Defense. You can't wait for a war. They're pushing
the country to war. And he'll put a country he'll put us into war to try to avoid impeachment and
send US troops. So we have retired military who despised Trump. They worked
under him. They were secretary of defense. Remember Matis, the head of the
joint seat of staffs, Mark uh and uh his
his security advisor, John Kelly, all former generals, retired now. They have
a network. What are they waiting for? It's it's they cannot be told to obey an
illegal order under the Constitution. And a Trump war without congressional
authorization is ipso facto an illegal order to every soldier that they are
under a legal requirement under the Nuremberg rules, international law to
disobey that illegal order and go fight an illegal war in some foreign land. So
Ralph, before I ask you about your new book, uh do you have any idea what this
concave of all the senior military and hegsith is about?
It's about dis dis not to disobey illegal orders that are forthcoming to
do things uh from Trump to the Pentagon to people overseas and to use the
military domestically in our cities and towns and rural areas which violate a
federal law and he can't get away with it by just declaring one fake emergency
after another. It's basically to whip potential denters
among the generals and admirals. Uh people who grew up West Point Air Force
Academy, Naval Academy, saying that their first obligation is their oath to
support the Constitution, not the Secretary of Defense or the President. It's a very dangerous whipping them into
a very pliable force for illegal action against the American people
domestically and abroad. So let's talk about at the end here your
book civil self-respect and what you call uh civic personality as opposed to
uh a personal personality. Let me just put it this way. I I want to
use this metaphor. The mighty Mississippi starts with a few rivullets in Minnesota
and Montana. The rivullets then become brooks.
Brooks then merge to become streams. The streams then merge into mighty
tributaries which then like the Missouri River feed into the giant Mississippi
River. The giant Mississippi River would not be a river without the rivullets
and the streams. So that's the metaphor. Now I read
reason I wrote this book. It's critical to all we've been discussing. The ball game now is back in the hands
of the people. They're turning out at various town meetings.
1% of them are marching and and very active. We need more than 1%. Even 2% is
5 million adults right there. And so I write this book because I would
be speaking to large audiences, Chris, around the country in past years. And at
the end, people would come up to me rather hesitantly and they would say,
"Ralph, I know I'm not I I know I'm a nobody, but I have to ask you this
question." And when I hear that, I flare. I said, 'What do you mean you're
a nobody? How can you ever say you're a nobody? You live as a citizen in this
country. How can you say you're a nobody? A worker?
Yes. Are you a consumer shopper? Yes. Are you a taxpayer? Yes. Voter? Well,
sometimes. Are you a parent? Yes. Are you a veteran? Sometimes. Well, how can you
say you're nobody? You know things about those roles. You've experienced them. You've been
frustrated. If you allow yourself to be a nobody, you're going to be treated like a nobody. You're going to be
treated like someone who doesn't count. Someone who doesn't matter, somebody who can be disrespected, someone who can be
ripped off, somebody who could be underinsured, somebody who can be suppressed.
So, let me tell you something, and that is you don't have to go out of
your way. just in your ordinary shopping, you get ripped off.
You you become more of an advocate. You move into a citizen dimension. Some of
the examples in this book just full of examples called citizen self-respect.
A a woman was kept on a tarmac in Michigan for hours with her fellow passengers.
The plane heated up. It was awful. And so when she got out, she looked into it
and she saw there's no remedy for the passengers. So she started a book, a a group called
Flyers Rights. Kate Henny was her name. And until she stopped getting support
because people often uh look the other way and think other people are going to
support these citizen groups, she made a lot of changes on on the basis of of her
experience. She became a citizen advocate. And there are people who've done this recently that have been in the
news the in the food safety area. They've mobilized because of their bad
experiences with junk food, contaminated uh food. So this is full of examples.
And so your your daily role as a a consumer, a worker, a taxpayer, voter,
whatever, you can go out of your personal role uh and develop an
additional civic energy, civic protest,
civic advocacy, and some of you are going to be so excited you're going to join existing citizen groups that want
more members and more supporters around the country focusing on Congress, for example. you'll get the the Capitol
hillcitizen.com the the new uh Capitol Hills citizen
newspaper that we're putting out. You'll connect with some local groups on housing and really basic community
necessities that are recognized by left-right families who don't fall prey
to the divide and rule tactics of the ruling classes because they want the same things for their children and for
themselves. public services, adequate uh benefits that they've already paid into,
as well as clean air, clean water, and other protections locally in the
community and the neighborhood. This is why I call this my most important book.
This is a short book, very readable, full of examples, but it's very
personal. The chapters are chapter names that have never been uh written about
before in a in a preface. I the citizen,
I the worker, I the consumer shopper, I the taxpayer, I the voter, I the parent,
I the veteran, I the philanthropist. People say philanthropy, I'm not a philanthropist. Are you kidding?
Lower and middle inome people give a higher portion of their money to charity than rich people. They're all
philanthropists. They can all decide where to put their money, how to aggregate their money, how to talk to
enlightened rich people to to fund activities which we outline in this book
at the local level. So you can get a autographed copy of this book if you're
inclined that way. Uh you can go to nater.org and it describes the book. Or you can
get it directly from the publisher, Seven Stories Press. Uh or you can get
it in other ways. You buy books online or from your independent bookstores
called citizen selfrespect has a nice commentary very brilliant
commentary by Patty Smith on the front page as well as other incoms that I
appreciate including yours Chris Hedges. Thank you very much. winner of the Pulitzer Prize for for war and author of
the book War is a force that gives meaning
is that gives meaning and I always thought that's one of your greatest
books because it really cuts deep into the selfrespect or lack of by citizens
around the country who have allowed themselves to lose their government have it be taken over by corporations
into a military corporatist plutoaucracy.
Great. Thanks, Ralph. Uh that's uh civic self-respect.
Uh I want to thank uh Diego, Max, Sophia, Thomas, and Victor who produced
the show. You can find me at chrisedges.substack.com.
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They Are Lying About Tyler Robinson. | Candace Ep 244
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Tyler Robinson is not suicidal, and I’ll tell you how I know. Also, while investigating this murder, there is a politician's name that keeps coming up. He’s apparently mad that we keep asking questions.
Transcript
All right, you guys. Happy Monday and get ready because we are going on a journey. I left you
guys on the ultimate cliffhanger last week. I did not intend to, by the way. I genuinely wanted to get the information out as soon as possible that Tyler Robinson is not suicidal.
And I'm going to tell you how I know that. Also, while investigating this assassination,
there is a politician's name that keeps coming up. And now he's apparently mad that we keep asking
questions. I'm beginning to think that he might know something that he hasn't yet shared. So,
I wanted to kind of loop you guys into this and see what you think. Welcome back to Candace.
Why Tyler Robinson isn't suicidal.
Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself. Tyler Robinson didn't kill himself. I mean, these are the phrases that we now use and that we say uh when we expect that the federal government
is telling us a lie. Last week, I have to tell you, I was contacted by a source who I vetted with
information that answered a lot of the lingering questions that we've had about the investigation. Not all of them, but some of them, some of the big ones. Uh first and foremost, we were like,
how exactly did it work? How did Tyler Robinson turn himself in as we were told, but also never
confessed? And did he actually author those absurd Fed messages? Cuz I'm thinking no. Lastly, what
was he doing at Dairy Queen? Doesn't really quite fit into our timeline. Also, don't expect this kid
who just tried out being a stone cold killer to really have an appetite. And why exactly did the
feds withhold that information at Dairy Queen? And why are they allegedly stalking the Dairy Queen to see who comes in and out? Uh, well, we we have the story that could possibly potentially answer all
of those questions and it certainly makes a lot more sense than the slop that the government is
currently trying to feed us. First and foremost, Tyler Robinson has never confessed. They
acknowledge that he has never confessed to this crime and he still uh is pleading innocence on the
shooting. In fact, I was told that he was quote unquote bewildered by the idea that he carved
casings. I should be clear, he does not dispute the fact that it is his gun at all. It is his gun,
but Tyler is not exactly a gun enthusiast. He doesn't hunt like his other brothers do. In fact,
he's apparently a fisherman. The reason that he has that gun in the first place is because it is
in fact a custommade family heirloom. Tyler is the firstborn son. So he inherited. That's what
firstborns do. They get the family heirloom. That is why he has the gun. As many of you guys have noted, the Robinson family appear to be conservative, hence the hunting and the fishing
uh as the the sports of their choosing. I am told that they are fans of Charlie Kirk and they are
fans of Donald Trump. Although this source noted that Tyler, like many other conservatives have
um expressed, wished that Trump would sometimes tone down his speech and his rhetoric. Now, on the
topic of rhetoric, I am told that Tyler absolutely did not author those text messages. What text
messages? He has no idea where these messages came from. Uh believes that they are therefore entirely fictionalized. It turns out, you're going to be shocked that he doesn't actually
use words like vehicle. Uh which should come as no surprise to anyone that has a brain. By the way,
I'm sure you caught this, but um there's old footage of Tyler Robinson that is now circulating
from a car accident that he had. Uh, and during the discussion with the officer that showed up,
Tyler certainly refers to it as his car, not his vehicle, because that's how most Americans,
how most English speakers refer to a car, unless they're in the military or on the police force.
So, here is 2022 police body cam footage, in case you missed that, of Tyler making a crash report.
Take a listen. Your mom's on her way. Yeah, she's got to be a minute. She's got to shuttle over from
where she's at to her car and then drive over. Gotcha. His mother was going to shuttle over from
her car. H interesting. There's more. Of course, of most interest to me. what I've learned is that
his father uh does not believe his parents don't believe that their son committed this crime. I was
like, "Huh? Excuse me. That's a that's a far cry from what the media has been telling us. Remember,
the media presented this amazing story." Uh the father realized his son was guilty. So it goes,
right? And then he phoned over a friend to help him convince his son to turn himself in because
this guy, you know, this this mysterious guy was a friend and and just had a connection
with Tyler and eventually they said, "You got to do the right thing here. We know this is you." That was the vibe. Certainly that's what the media was putting down for us to pick up.
Well, I was told actually that it was kind of the opposite. That quote unquote family friend
uh who we learned was a former detective with the police force um at least and so therefore
has strong ties with the police station informed the family. It was that in between person that
informed the family that Tyler had been identified as the shooter. He recognized him. He knows Tyler.
He gives them the heads up. And then I'm told, and I believe this, that the way in which he
got arrested, or rather turned himself in, was because that family friend slashneighbor
slashformermer detective told him, "Hey, it's best for you to turn yourself in because there's only
one of two options here. Either you turn yourself in and everything is peaceable, or you know, the SWAT team could come in here and arrest you and things could get crazy."
So that's what happened. He went over to their house. Tyler was called over. Tyler was bewildered. He disputed the idea that he had murdered Charlie Kirk. In fact,
according uh to my source, Tyler has never even stepped foot on UVU campus. Tyler, it turns out,
has which has already been revealed, um was accepted into Utah State University,
not Utah Valley. And that's actually interesting if you pause and reflect on that because we didn't
really consider how on earth Tyler became not just familiar with the layout of the campus, but
familiar with the rooftop layout of UVU campus. So familiar that he knew exactly how to scale across
the rooftops to duck down or in order to take an almost impossible shot at a Charlie Kirk who was
sitting beneath a a tent. How did he know how to do all of that? Had he been there before? that he
he knew where Charlie was going to be sitting in it that he would have that shot from on top of the Loy Center. What? Right. I would actually and I I don't know, but I would imagine that even actual
current UVU students don't know that possibility. Like they're not even that familiar with how to
scale the rooftops and what shots they can take from it. We'll see. Uh, curiously, however,
my source says that Tyler Robinson was nearby the campus on that day. I'm wondering if that fact,
which I'm trying to learn more information regarding, explains the Dairy Queen photo because
what was he doing around the campus on that day? Where exactly was he around the campus on that
day? This photo never made any sense. I plugged it into my timeline. It wasn't fitting in. So,
if you're wondering why exactly Tyler would agree to go to the police station if he's not guilty,
um, ironically, the police were honest that day. Um, on one of the points, well, first and
foremost, that point is Tyler is not suicidal. Um, he wanted to go to the police station so
that he didn't risk accidentally getting shot by the police swarming his home. as I said earlier,
in a theatrical arrest setting. But rather confusingly, uh, Brooksby, Nate Brooksby tells
us that Tyler is suicidal. Whatever. Let's just take a listen to to what Nate Brooksby said after
he had been apprehended. Take a listen. So, so I get a call from my friend and his his said, "Hey,
how you doing?" Good. And it's not, you know, he's been retired a few years. He he'll we'll call each other. It's not it's not unusual for me to get a call from him or vice versa. And at 8:02 p.m.
he calls me. Hey, I can tell his voice is kind of shaky. So, my first thought is who who died? Like,
who who's he going to tell me that died? And then uh and then I can't I couldn't fathom what
actually came out of his mouth. So, he said, "Hey, um I know who I know who Charlie Kirk Shooter is.
Um, I I know the family through religious association and uh he's in he's in Washington
County now and we're working on trying to get him to come involuntarily. During that phone call
um some information was provided about Tyler uh potentially having some suicidal ideiations was in
or out to a remote area Washington County. Um the parents convinced him not to do that and uh you
know conveyed that they would uh you know stand by him and help him help him um surrender peacefully.
I'm told that's that's not true. That Tyler was not suicidal at all. He was just confused and
didn't want to get shot. Uh and then he gets to that part, right? He then tells us Brooksby that
he came in willingly because he didn't want to die. Let's take a listen to that portion. Within
the hour, um, my friend, uh, drove Tyler and his parents to my office where he was greeted by,
uh, plane closed detectives. So, that was part of the part of the deal is um, Tyler knew it was just inevitable with all the law enforcement pressure that he, you know,
his picture in the news, the gun, the gun on the news, he knew it was inevitable uh, that he would be caught. he was fearful of a SWAT team hit on his house or he was fearful of being shot
by law enforcement. So part of the negotiation and getting him to bring himself in was that that we
would we would treat it as delicate and as soft as possible to make him feel comfortable to where
he would he would show up at my office and that's exactly what happened. It can't be both. It can't
be both. Was he suicidal and wanting to die or was he worried about dying? It can't be both. And I didn't catch on to that early on. It's the answer was he came in because he is not suicidal
and did not want to get shot and was confused as I am told. Now you're probably wondering why the father and the mother didn't speak out to assert his innocence. That would make sense,
right? Uh why don't you come right out and dispute everything immediately. Well, interestingly enough, I'm told that it's because the feds told them that if they spoke out, their
lives could be at risk. like they they needed to keep things private and they convinced the family to go into witness protection. Like your lives are in danger. You shouldn't say anything.
Somebody could like, you know, just come back and and try to harm you guys because of what your son
did. You should go into witness protection and don't speak to anybody. Trust us. We're the feds, bro. And they agreed, of course, in the fog of it all. Why wouldn't you agree? But then,
like any good maybe conservative family, you start going, I don't really trust these feds. Like I'm a
little suspicious about the feds. Here's another point of interest. Okay. His father had no idea
that Tyler was gay. That's what I'm told. They are learning this in and through the media. They
thought that Lance was just his roommate and they were especially shocked because apparently Tyler
kept mentioning to them that he wanted them to meet some girl that he was seeing. Now, I would
like to interject my own voice here and say that I think this girl was likely Lance and Tyler was
working up the courage to tell his family that he was gay. That is what is most likely in my opinion
because we know for a fact that Tyler was in fact in a relationship with Lance because we have
exclusive photos, by the way, they're about to show you uh that the two of them posted to their Instagrams. This is Lance posting Halloween era photos. I forgot to post my boyfriend is the best.
Love you. Um, don't worry, that handle has since been taken down of what Tyler's handle was, but he's got a handle that doesn't have his name in it, so he's maybe trying to hide this stuff. Um,
and then there's another photo of them. And this one's posted by Lance again, pics from when Tyler
had a mustache. You can see that they were in a relationship. Just makes sense that he was working up the courage to maybe tell his family about that. Now, I was told also that Tyler is off the
charts intelligent and always has been. We know this. He had a perfect GPA in high school. Now,
that is precisely what made the idea of him being so stupid as to author a full confessional via
text messages pointedly absurd. Like, any person with a modicum of intelligence is going to go, I'm
not going to put this down in writing with every detail. Uh, and apparently whoever offered those
messages, likely feds, didn't have a modicum of intelligence or they would have maybe not included
every single detail there. Uh the family says that the photo of the young man that is coming up
the stairs which was shared that blurry image is definitively not Tyler Robinson. And let me just
say I never thought it looked like him. Neither did you. Okay. Face looks different. Face looks
more narrow. Also that person looks taller. Every time I say I'm like this person is taller than
Tyler Robinson. Tyler Robinson also appears to have full lips even though this image is blurry.
We're not looking for someone that's got a that got fuller lips. And Tyler Robinson looks broader
um than that individual walking. Right. So I I I'm on board with that person walking up the
stairs is not Tyler Robinson because I feel like it was intentionally blurred. They also never gave
us the footage at all because in order to blur it, they probably needed a static image. Also,
the family believes that um and this is really interesting, Tyler Robinson's apartment was staged
after his arrest. Now, you will recall that I spoke to Lance's family and one of the things
that Lance's family said was it was, "Hey, we own that apartment. They pay rent to us. I've never we've never met Tyler Robinson." But I can tell you that it seems like they were trying to hide
the fact that this, you know, that this apartment got raided. And it's very strange that they
immediately cleared Lance as a suspect. And I was told by other people in the department that they
wanted to keep that raid very hush hush. Anybody know about the raid? There was no mention of this
raid. And Lance immediately gets cleared as a suspect. Why? Well, according to Tyler's family,
they went to that apartment after his arrest and they felt the apartment was staged and
that intentionally in Tyler's room, a furry bed was placed, almost sort of implying that they're
trying to transfer the attributes of Lance onto Tyler, and that's shady. But again, when I put
together what I'm being told by Lance's family and what I'm hearing from the Robinson family
uh through a third party, I will say that it matches. It kind of seems like they're agreeing.
One family's going, "Hey, Lance is kind of evil. Why is he getting why is he getting cleared?" The other one's going, "Tyler's not this guy. Tyler is not this guy. So, what the hell is going on,
guys? What is actually going on right now?" There's also something else that's weird
that I want to uh mention here and that is the unusual lengths in which the media and
the sheriff's department. They've gone through all of these lengths I would say to protect the
identity of that former sheriff friend who was the one who convinced Tyler to turn himself in. Even
in that press conference, by the way, Brooksby, I don't like the way he's moving. I don't like the
way Nate Brooksby is breathing. I got to be honest with you, it's a vibe. For no reason at all,
he feels like he has to explain how he got on the phone with this uh sheriff friend of his. Like,
nobody asked you whether or not it was usual for him to call you. He's kind of overexlaining here in my opinion. Take a listen. At exactly 8:02 on the 11th, I received a call from a friend of
mine who happens to be a retired detective that worked for me for many years. Um, I didn't put
that out there initially. I wanted to protect that individual as much as possible. Um, unfortunately
in the court documents, which is standard, uh, he was referenced as a retired Washington County
deputy. So, I didn't put that out there. It was in the court docs. I was trying to protect even that information and just saying retired law enforcement in general. Why are you Why are you
trying to protect him? Why did you feel the need to explain to us earlier? It was it's not unusual
for him to call me this guy, but I fortunate that information is in documents that he was, you know,
formerly working for me and working with me. What do you mean? If he was formerly working for you,
that would mean he was a public figure and this should be usual. Public figures, people that work for police departments are always public and their informations are something their name is someone
we could easily research. It's nonsense. He's weird about this. He um says that he retired.
I think a journalist asks in the audience like you know that former friend detective uh how long has he been off the force and he says I don't know if we have that clip or maybe we
didn't cut that Skyler but he's like three years. But actually we were able to figure out who that
individual was and it's I feel someone that we need to get in touch with. We've tried to get in touch with him. Um, the name of that individual is is former Deputy Mike Mitchell. Okay. Deputy
Mike Mitchell. Now, oddly, despite a career of 25 years in the police force, I can't find a single
trace of him in old newspapers. So, I'm looking for more information on this guy. I understand
that he knows Tyler through the Boy Scouts. He's involved in the LDS church. And I think Tyler
um was he was he was the Boy Scout leader. That's the connection there. We were able to confirm that this Mike Mitchell lives on the block, uh, lives nearby, um, as was told via via other sources.
And thus far, we have only been able to even see a picture of him. There's just one picture uh,
or a set of pictures that we were able to find. And that again, which would mean Brooksby lied
a little bit. I don't like a little bit of lies because you usually have to lie a little bit when there's something bigger that you're afraid of it. According to this post, he retired last January.
Here it is. On the left, you have Brooksby. I don't trust that guy. Just don't trust him. And on
the right hand side, you have Today, we celebrated the career of Detective Mike Mitchell. After over
24 years of serving, 24 years Washington County, he is retiring, starting in the jail back in 1999.
Uh, Sheriff Brooksby and Detective Mitchell both had some wonderful stories to share. We would like
to give our heartfelt thanks to Detective Mitchell and all who came out to give him a warm send off.
Congratulations, Detective Mitchell. This is the only trace of this guy I could find. That's weird.
I don't That is very odd. That is unusual. That is an anomaly. When you serve that long police force,
you inevitably make it into the news. So, I am asking and we tried to reach out to this individual. We have had no luck. If you have any more information about this individual, if he is
your boy scout leader or he works for your church, please send us um tips at canesence.com. Guys,
I'm going to again say here we appreciate all of the tips, but please don't send us links to like
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Phil Lyman and the people mad that we are asking questions.
Okay, so something very strange happened this weekend and I need to tell you I need to tell you guys about it. I need to offload this and get your opinion. Now, first and foremost,
I have to tell you about this student who I'm going to refer to as Nick. Nick is not his real name. I'm going to refer him as Nick to protect his identity. Obviously, I came across Nick very
early on in this investigation. In fact, you might recall uh when I shared a photo online of a person
that looked suspicious. He was wearing like a black suit and black glasses and he seemed to
have a strap hanging out of his bag. Uh here he is right here and he was in the food court. I shared
that photo because Nick had sent it to me into our tips box and said, "This person looks rather
mysterious. he's running through the food court. And from from there, we kind of he kind of became my boots on the ground. He's like, "Hey, I go to UVU. I'm a major Canis Owens fan. I want to help
in any way that I can." Okay. So, that's how that happened. That was really um and right away he
told me on like day two of the investigation that he worked on Phil Lyman's gubernatorial campaign,
Phil Lyman ran against Governor, the current Governor Cox, and he lost. And one day, very
early on, this must have been like day three, uh, Nick cold calls me and Phil Lyman's on the phone,
okay? Like I said, he ran for governor and I was prepping for the show and things were early on and
I was still in a very agrieved phase and I didn't really know I was on the phone with this guy, Phil Lyman. I was like, "Okay, thank you so much. I appreciate that you're offering help." And um,
Nick insisted to me, he's a fantastic person. He has tons of resources. He knows the area. Uh, if you need any help, he can help you. Okay, great. Fast forward to me looking into the witness list
and obviously we spoke about this Tiffany Peterson Barker. That very weird clip of her with her
nieces at like 4:00 a.m. in the morning speaking on Good Morning America and uh her energy was just
weird to me. I thought her being there was weird. Obviously, this is my podcast. I can say whatever I want. We reached out to her and um then she gave us uh you know a ton of information and
but never actually presented to us. She never sent me directly any footage that could verify that she
was there when Charlie Kirk got shot. Okay. And she was a bit upset that I didn't clarify that.
I thought it was weird that she wouldn't just text me the footage because it didn't allow me to confirm that she was where she said she was. That's what metadata is for. Metadata instantly
will say, "Here's where you were, at what time, and this is this person's iPhone." So, I wasn't gonna lie to my audience. I just told you guys, "Hey, you can check her out on her Instagram.
Here's her excuse. She says that this is why her nieces said that." And we sort of moved on,
right? But then I then I learned from Nick that the photo of the person who was wearing that black
suit in dark sunglasses had come from Tiffany Barker's mother. I was like, "Well, that's weird.
whatever. And um then you will recall we learned from Tiffany when I was trying to figure out how
did you get this hit on Good Morning America? Like did you share something that would have had them reach out? Well, then I told you she told us actually Phil Lyman is the person that
put me on Good Morning America. My sister ran with him as Lieutenant Governor. And I was like, "Oh, okay. So Phil Lyman got you that that uh position on Good Morning America. you had
a essentially a connection there that made that happen. Don't know how I missed this,
but then I learned that Phil Lyman himself was very involved in all the communications that
immediately went out about the shooting and that his car was in the driveway of the now infamous
TMZ footage which showed the shooter walking twice that day by this house. In fact, Phil Lyman says
that he had just pulled into that driveway minutes earlier and had just missed the shooter. Here he
is in his own words speaking to Kaye Mcaney. Take a listen. I do want to linger on a moment for what
you just told us and I'm going to ask the team to pull back up that surveillance footage that we've gotten from TMZ from those neighborhood cameras. You said that in that footage is your
driveway and you parked there at 11:30 a.m. We know this footage that you're looking at was
taken at 11:49 a.m. So So you would have been on that street. That driveway 19 minutes right across
right across Yeah. It's not my driveway. It's my aunt's driveway. Uh parking lot was very full.
He's walking he's walking in front of my aunt's house there right now. My cousin's house is the driveway that is taking that v photo photo and my CRV, the gray CRV in the distance there is that is
my car. I parked there probably 10 minutes before he walked by. And I had not seen this footage till
just now and I'm I it just keeps so many things that keep uh linking up. It's really astonishing
to me. And then then we went back to this house afterwards. They thought they had the the shooter.
Uh so I took a friend of mine. We went back to my aunt's house. says, "Well, we'll just hang out here for a while." Uh, and uh and and before long, the people were combing the backyard, as you saw.
She had the footage of that. And uh and pretty soon, helicopters are overhead. And so, this is
very very local to me. Very I mean, not only is it Utah, but it's kind of my neighborhood where I spent so much of my childhood and all of my relatives. I This is This is really astonishing.
It's been a I got up yesterday morning at at 6:00 to drive up and and meet Charlie and and I
uh I haven't been I haven't been to bed since then because it's just one thing after another after another and so astonishing that this could happen in Utah. Now, just to be clear and to reiterate,
19 minutes before the shooter walks across, he had just pulled into the driveway. Phil Lyman pulled into the driveway. He says that he uh saw Charlie Kirk that day. We're going to get to that. Also,
when he says like he grew up there and his family, I mean, his family owns, we were able to determine 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 homes right there. Incredible. Okay. Absolutely
incredible. And that his little press tour obviously now you're like, you know, explaining your car was in the driveway, so it's a issues close to him. That kind of makes sense. Then,
um, he went on to Alex Jones and spoke about where he was when the shot rang out. And what's kind of,
and I'm laughing here because it's kind of absurd, he kind of sort of blames it on these two random goth girls. Maybe like he's kind of implying like there were these girls that were wearing black
and maybe they should be taken a look at further. Take a listen. Just yesterday, someone comes in,
he says, "Yeah, uh, we we've got video." He came off the roof. He walked up. He came up here to
the uh parking lot, got in the car with with an individual and they and they drove away. Well, that's not the story that came. So that he that he escaped another route and there there's there
are people who are coordinating this thing. I I do not believe that that 306 that they showed
recovered in the bushes was ever on the roof. I think it was in the bushes to start with. And now
I'm not saying that that Tyler Robinson wasn't on the roof. I'm not saying he didn't pull a trigger. Uh I was I was in very very close proximity. So, another interesting thing, like I say,
I I left the front of the stage. I wanted to meet some of my friends and bring him down front. So, I was clear at the east end and I heard this loud boom. I heard this loud bang. And I turned around.
I'm looking like, "What was that? What was that?" And and um pretty soon some people started, you know, running. Everyone was trying to process and I thought, "This is a gunshot." And there's going
to be more of them. I thought it could turn into a mass shooting. So, I go to the people closest to me. Everyone's ducking down behind the the concrete uh retaining walls and some of them were
still kind of oblivious, but there were two people that were standing there. Uh two girls, very goth,
very black, you know, and and I just walked I stepped up to the side of them and I said, "Did that not happen right here? Did did you hear that? Was that right here?" They said,
"Yeah, it was just right over there." So, they're confirming, "Yeah, the shooter or or wherever that sound came from is right here." The thing that didn't really dawn on me is that they were not
running. They were not frightened. In fact, as I stepped up, I heard one of the girls um and they
were talking to each other and they're looking at these kids, looking at the scene down below of all these people fleeing for their lives. And she says, "Go f yourselves." Um and uh and and like I
say, I was not processing that. I was trying to figure out what was going on. I thought this is a separate conversation. I don't know what it is. In hindsight, as I've watched that over and over,
it's like these these people were not afraid. Okay. Okay. So, what I get from that is he was
up high cuz he says they're looking down below and that maybe people that are wearing black are
immediately suspects. I don't know cuz they were not afraid. Anyways, he also went on to a local
Utah news station and spoke about how he was with Charlie just before Charlie went onto stage. Take a listen. Phil, thanks for joining us first of all, but I saw a picture I saw a picture of you
with Charlie Kirk and it looks like you were like maybe right before he went on stage. Is this just
like minutes before this happened? Yeah. No, I was I was I was basically backstage and and when
he and when he came out I was throwing the hats. I was I was I was there. I was standing next to the stage and I and I would have been there when the shooting took place, but I needed to go meet
some of my friends and I didn't want to just hang hang around. Uh, so there's a part of me that's glad that I wasn't in close proximity and part of me that that um feels bad that I wasn't there
just in some form of moral, you know, presence and support. It's such a tragic thing. When I
combine those clips, I'm kind of unclear as to where he was exactly when the shots rang out, if he was close or if he felt bad that he wasn't close. Anyways, uh, he went on to Instagram that
night as Tiffany was prepping her Good Morning America hit, I suppose. uh and he speaks further
about what he was doing back onto campus and what exactly he remembers. Take a listen again. This is
on September 10th and it's around 11:30 p.m. at night. Hey, it's September 10th, 2025 and I was
just heading back from Salt Lake to Blanding. I'm getting a very late start. It's about 11:30 at night and I wanted to swing back by UVU campus where Charlie Kirk was killed today. and
uh see if I could let a few of the police officers know how much I appreciate the work they're doing. See if there's some college students here that I could rub shoulders with more for my benefit
than for theirs. But what I really wanted to share was I I was very close this morning where Charlie Kirk was at. Met him backstage and we talked for a moment before he went on stage and I was backstage
as he started speaking then decided to go up top and and I went up uh to the top and ironically was
very close to where the shooter was apparently. I the the the shot was very loud and uh I determined
pretty quickly that whoever it was was on on the roof and it was a 200 yard kill shot.
Where was he? I don't know. I find this to be a little weird, but look, let's be clear, by no
means conclusive of anything other than perhaps a strange coincidence and maybe this is why he feels so impassioned and wants to keep speaking about it. Also, you know, he's a gubernatorial
candidate. Makes sense. uh this would be a political moment to show that you're a leader. And look, life is not exactly an Agatha Christie novel, right? Where the guilty party somehow
inserts himself into the investigation. So, I park that aside. I keep pushing and I'm following more
public leads. But also I I do recall in the back of my mind that both Phil and Tiffany Barker and
as it would turn out another person that lives on that street with the last name Shamway kept trying to get me to look into Governor Cox because he's according to Tiffany very supportive of the trans
stuff. You should look into Tiffany Tiffany said into Governor Cox and similarly um the
Shamway emails were like you should look into this Governor Cox because he he likes trans. So they're
open and close. That feels to me always just like fed bait. Left versus right. Right. He likes trans
people, so it has to be him. Okay. Oddly, look, I'm just following the facts here. Nothing in
my investigation has made me ha ask a question further about Governor Cox on that day. Nothing
came up organically, so I'm not going to push it just because he's a Democrat. And actually,
where I was at at this process, what's that? Oh. Uh, pushing that because Governor Cox is his, uh,
sorry, I said Democrat because he's his, you know, he's waring with him and that's the candidate that he wants to go after. And I actually start noticing as I'm looking into this investigation
that everyone who is involved on that day, I mean, literally the person who spots the shooter
um on the roof, military, uh, the person who says, "Oh, the the he I just cap happened to
be in the right place in the flag of halls where I saw him running." also in the military. And I'm starting to think, is it possible that this is like a military hit? I don't know, but I'd
like to find out. Next came a tip that you guys saw me receive live on the show. Someone paid a
woman paid to say, "Candice, there's more footage of the shooter on that day." And you should know
that that shooter was with a woman, right? That's a tip that I received. That that woman that the
shooter was with a woman and he was seen changing clothes and that they've cut out that footage. So,
I reach out to that individual and the name that they give me for the house that this took place
in and I'm able to confirm that this property is nearby is owned by Lyman Branch. So, now I want
to be clear, I could not attach whether or not yet this individual is related um to Phil Lyman,
but he's been honest about the fact that his family lives around there a lot. like you know the Steel Lyman clan is is here. So I was a little bit on alert, maybe like a lot of bit on alert and
I decided to just do a ba a basic search into Phil Lyman. Like is is his family in the military? I
don't know. I'm asking the question to myself and I'm quite surprised that it's impossible for me to find out who his mother and father are. Like I literally don't know what goes on in Utah,
but it seems like a very weird thing to me that you would be able to keep information about who your mom and dad are private if you're running for governor, right? So, I just simply ask Nick.
I haven't shared any of this with Nick because I know that he worked for Phil Lyman and I'm not accusing Philman of anything. I'm just like trying to actually shut that down. And he says,
"I actually I don't know whose mom and dad are." I'm like, "What do you mean don't know?" Okay, weird. Whatever. I then decide to keep pushing on military leads that I have, people that were on
the ground that day who I've confirmed are in the military. Anyways, then something insane happens.
Nick calls me and he's a little bit undone. He tells me that Phil Lyman has just showed up at
his house. Now, I want to be very clear. Nick is 20 years old. He's a 20-year-old UVU student and
a major super fan of Phil as of 48 hours ago and he's very uncomfortable. And he tells me
that Phil randomly messaged him saying that he was nearby in town in town rather and asked Nick for
his address, something that he he never had. And Nick quite naively and being this Phil super fan
thinks that Phil's going to come and offer him a job because he's being been so on it investigating
this Charlie Kirk assassination and that's not what happens at all. Instead, he says that he shows up, he opens the door for him and his energy is very weird and he's asking him weird questions.
He's looking out of the window nervously. He sits down at the table. He's asking him questions about
my investigation. I'm like, I shared nothing with Nick. I literally was asking him, "Can
you go here? Pick up this whatever it is." And he is thinking this is getting weird. I said, "What
specifically did he did he say to you?" Well, he tells me that Phil has also set up a time to meet
with Ian Carol. Okay, so Ian Carol is conducting his own separate investigation. and we are not
collaborating at all, but he and Carol publicized that he was going up to Utah cuz he wanted to be on the ground physically by himself and he was reaching out to people um that uh who who had been
speaking about having been there and Phil Lyman is so gracious that he offers to give him a tour. And
Nick tells me he's like that's really weird now because we're like two weeks on from this shooting and Phil Lyman lives four hours away. So that's that's very very gracious of him to do, but his
energy isn't good. And then he mentions Governor Cox and he mentions Tyler Ber of Turning Point USA
and says that again this is according to Nick that Tyler Boyer and the the lineman have been
speaking and that they are you know really going to make Governor Cox and I'm I'm paraphrasing here
but apparently there's a a another Utah event USU event coming up and Governor Cox is supposed to
speak and Phil Lyman intimates that like you know this at this TP US event Governor Cox isn't going
to look great. I'm like what? He then tells him I'm going to go if you don't mind I'm going to go
take a phone call in my car. So he's just idling in a 20-year-old's driveway who just happened to
work on his campaign and he's on the phone and this is he's why he's calling me panicking. So I
don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what's happening. I don't know why he's being so weird. I don't know why he's asking me questions about this investigation. And I'm like
uh yeah this is weird. This is very weird. So then I'm like I'm I'm honing in here. I'm like, what
what's going on? I feel like he knows something at the very least. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how I feel. And I begin actually searching through our tips box for anything related to Phil related to
Phil Lyman. Maybe somebody else noticed something or knew something or he said something. And lo and behold, very early on, someone just messaged us and said, "Hey, like you should probably
uh ask more questions about Phil Lyman because every time I look into this investigation locally, him and his family members are popping up." And then that person tells me that his nephew had sort
of done this public tour, like Phil Lyman's nephew did this public tour saying that he was going to
walk the same route that the shooter walked near his grandmother's house. And that they found,
you guys remember this, they found the Converse footprint nearby his grandma's house. And he
presented a map, like this is it, this is actually from his Instagram. He presents this map and his
nephew's name is Shane. This again, this was all public. I'm only looking at things publicly. And let's just look at some of these posts from nephew Shane. I mean, first and foremost,
he he's with his friends. Said, "I took my friends to my grandma's house tonight and we re retraced
his steps and we took pictures in the exact place that the security cameras caught him. I've been
through this new experience for the last few days. I'm still very glad to have attended and to support Charlie Kirk and to see him." The last pick shows Converse brand footprints and then
he does hashtags and here are him and the three friends. And by the way, I'm looking at his the
friend on the right and I'm like I don't know. I'd like to know who that is at the very least. And uh
I'd like to know who everybody in this photo is. This is just interesting. Like you guys are are in the staircase and posting side by sides. They put these sideby-side photos of them in the staircase
and I just was like, I I need to just know more about you and I need to know more about these
two individuals who I couldn't find on his friends list. And they certainly hadn't liked the photo or else I would have messaged them directly to figure out who they are. And yeah, I found I found that
very strange. And so I messaged Nick and I asked him whether or not he had ever received any images
or videos from Phil directly. At the very least, we can see his line of vision so I can figure out
where exactly he was when the shots ran out. Um, and I'm wondering if like we can maybe get some
footage that we didn't have before when the shots ran out. And also, by the way, metadata is king.
That's kind of been very it's good to see because then I can put it in my timeline. That's why I love metadata. I can say this exactly happened at this time. Strangely, uh, Phil kind of freaks
out. He doesn't want to share those photos with Nick. And he asks him explicitly, "Whose side are
you on? Whose side are you on? I thought we were all on the same side. We're all trying to catch
Charlie Kirk's killer one way or the other. You You inserted yourself into this. Got on the phone with me. I was not even trying to make any communication with you. I literally am just
asking questions." And now all of a sudden it's like, "Oh, you don't want to answer any questions. You don't want to share anything." and he tells me that yesterday Phil Lyman just calls him and
he shouts at him like who the f do you think you are kind of a deal you know what I mean like who are you to ask me for anything I already gave my photos to Taylor Hansen and so at that point I was
like look you've been great Nick but I don't want you being shouted out I don't want you feeling comfortable in your own home I would like you to just remove yourself entirely from the boots on
the ground elements of this investigation I don't think Phil is acting in a way that I perceive to
be stable given the fact that again he inserted himself in this investigation and we're asking
this is my car on the street. Okay, you want to be helpful. We're asking you to be helpful and now all of a sudden you're showing up at 20-year-old's house and you're being weird. I don't like it. I
don't I don't I don't like it at all. And I said I I could reach out to Phil directly by myself. And
I did. I reached out to both Phil and I reached out to his nephew Shane and I asked for them to identify the guys in that photo. Uh, like I said, I was interested uh in who those individuals were
because I couldn't find it on his friend list. And in response, Shane immediately takes his
profile private. And Lyman, Phil Lyman, leaves me on red. So, I am now left in the predicament where
I need to just ask the public. If you are one of those two kids that are in the photos there, I would love to ask you some questions since you publicized this tour. I mean, they even did the
full video walking through where he walked and you know, he said my uncle, he even posted he
posted Phil Lyman and my uncle was with Charlie. This is the video that they posted. Everything was
done publicly. And now I'm like, okay, you could maybe maybe you have something that's helpful I want to ask you about. Could you send me that photo? Could you send me that video? Could you
send me all of this stuff? And now I'm getting radio silenced. So, unfortunately, because I
need to figure out what happened on that day, I am turning to the public uh to try to identify those
people and anything else that you may know that may help put things together uh for us. Again,
please reserve the tips at canisowns.com for actual tips related to the questions that we are asking. Uh not for just comments, those sorts of things, videos that you'd like me
to watch or things that you'd like to do to point me into a different direction. Please just uh tag us on social media so that we can try to manage this process better. Anyways, you guys given you
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Comments.
All right, you guys. So, what do you think? Is Is it weird for a gubernatorial candidate to arrive
at a 20-year-old's house? Yes, I can answer that for you. That is weird. That is very weird. That was weird. Okay. There's no way around that. Um and again, hopefully he will answer and
he will just send me some videos and uh that will be yeah, that'll be uh case closed and
maybe he doesn't want to help anymore. That's fine. But you can't insert yourself and then pretend you're under attack when people then go, "Hey, can you answer some basic questions?" Um,
Marzy is writing to us. She writes, "Looking into the bullet made me think of the poisoned bullet
when hit men intentionally use a bullet to cause a lot of damage from tumbling and fragmentation. This is done by keyholeing the round to tumble or bounce into the body for internal damage causing
many wounds." I actually did not know that at all. I'm super ignorant um on the topic of ballistics and things that are actually done. That is I never even heard about keyholeing. So, thank you for
sharing that. Caitlyn Derrian writes, "Candace, as a journalism student with an insatiable thirst for the truth. You are a true model of real journalism. I hope to one day get the chance to
work with you. Keep doing everything that you do. May God continue to protect you and your family. I love you, girl." Yeah. I mean, my insatable thirst is to figure out what happened that day.
Um my gut instinct is that this was a military operation. Uh based off everything that I've seen
and the lingering questions that I have and some other leads that we are working on, that's how I feel. Um and even when I was trying to find Miss Mike Mitchell, I could find the Mitchell
family. I don't know if it's his family, but the Mitchell name in that area was coming up for like Air Force. And so I again when I get into these places where I can't find any more information,
I turn to you guys to help me out. But I find it very strange that you would protect somebody who's been on the force for 24 years. Like what? You're you've always been a public figure essentially.
And uh I I think Brooksby has some nervous energy there when he's like, "Oh, he called me. That's
just totally usual. That's not weird." It's like, "Nobody said it was weird. So why are you answering for something that nobody said?" Little things like that. It's the same thing like when I
saw Tiffany's uh interview. I just I I just found it like most of you did to be odd uh given the
fact that the hit man was still on the run that you would bring uh your nieces there. And she gave
her explanation. And like I said, you can go to her Instagram. She has asked us repeatedly to send you guys to her Instagram where she explains why uh her why they decided to go back that early in
the morning. And like I said, Phil Lyman was the one who got her the hit or Phil Lyman's office, her sister got her the hit on uh Good Morning America. Kristen Theoret writes, "Canis, I am
so sorry for the loss of your dear friend. I agree that it's weird that the people closest to him are just moving on. I feel this whole story is very twisted and you are the only one who is capable of
unraveling the truth." Yeah. And sadly, the people that I am in partnership with on demanding more answers are not even people who were friends with Charlie Kirk. They're just like, "Obviously, this
is wrong and this is weird and I'm on the left." Maybe uh Max Blumenthal dropping uh he dropped a bunch of articles last week and I think he's got more coming out. Why is Max Blumenthal, who
wasn't a friend of Charlie Kirk, more interested in what happened to Charlie Kirk than the people closest to him? That strikes me as very odd. Just odd. I mean, no element. They could at the
very least name the donors, get a little bit of revenge. Name the donors who were pressuring him. Tell the truth about what was happening there. They won't do anything. They're just like, "Oh,
it's all good. It's all good." No, it's not all good. Actually, not all good at all. Bitsy writes,
"The whole world is a stage used to hurdle the cattle in the direction that they want to take us. It's all lies. I rejected all. Lord Jesus Christ is king." Indeed, Bitsy Miranda Allen writes,
"I wish I could do more. My thoughts and prayers are with you as you find truth and also mourn a lost friend. God bless and keep you. Pray. It works. I I really do believe praying protection
over the people who are trying to discover what happened um is significant. It it is. I
I really do believe that everyone needs prayer and protection at this moment. Cassie writes, "Many people I follow on social media have lost credibility with me because they are not asking
any questions at all. I can't imagine calling Charlie a friend and not questioning any of this." Yeah, that's what's great. Like at the very least I would expect them to get up there and be like
what are what's up with these fed messages? This is weird. No, they're all just like let's move on
and uh we're just going to his legacy is going to be we're just going to continue the organization without him. I mean like I was thinking if I'm Charlie and I'm looking down I'm just like what?
Dang. I thought we were super close. Really? You're like the vibes are not vibing there. I
know Savannah would investigate. Savannah's crazy. Savannah, she would investigate. She'd be crazy. She was super crazy. She'd be wearing all pink going down to Utah. That's what Savannah would
do. Kaya writes, "It's 1963 all over again. They don't like people asking questions. Furthermore,
Ian being mentioned." Yeah, random. And I called Ian. I was like, "Hey, Ian, just letting you know like um I don't know. I I don't think he's going to necessarily put you on a tour try to help you
because he's not being very kind right now to this poor guy, Nick, who was like a super Phil
Lman super fan. And uh I think that went sideways. Uh Kaya continues, "Prayer for you and him. You're
getting close to something. Keep going. Christ is king." Um and then my producer has a note that there are a lot of comments asking about the microphone theory. Here's what I will say
about that. I when I first saw the footage thought as well that something came upward. Um but when I
looked at image from the side, the microphone is still on him afterwards. So like when you see it for it looks like it kind of disappears but then it kind of shifts when you look at the
um when you look at the the perspective slightly to the left you see that it actually stays on
him and it's just in the fold. Again I don't know enough about weaponry to say that that's possible or not possible. But I would imagine if anything did sling into him uh with that kind of
a force it would fall off. And I can tell you it doesn't fall off. There's another theory that I'm
still looking into that has been presented that I think is definitely interesting. It's definitely
interesting and I'm trying to play my cards close to my chest as I ask certain questions. Probably
will have more on that maybe tomorrow or the next day. But um yeah, I I I do think it's very weird
that he was miked after he sat down. Tell you that that's never happened to me at a Turning Point
event. They Mike you backstage always. Um, so yeah, I I thought that was strange. There's a lot
of things that were being done for the first time that day. And I'm going I'm planning on revealing
all of them. By the way, I'm just waiting for everybody to like join me. Where where where are Charlie's homies at? Why are you guys all silent? Something's not right. I know it's not
right. Okay. Uh, we don't know now, but we know. You know, we don't know, but we know. And soon
we're going to know no. And that's all I'm going to say about that. We'll see you guys tomorrow.
by Candace Owens
Streamed live on Sep 29, 2025
Tyler Robinson is not suicidal, and I’ll tell you how I know. Also, while investigating this murder, there is a politician's name that keeps coming up. He’s apparently mad that we keep asking questions.
Transcript
All right, you guys. Happy Monday and get ready because we are going on a journey. I left you
guys on the ultimate cliffhanger last week. I did not intend to, by the way. I genuinely wanted to get the information out as soon as possible that Tyler Robinson is not suicidal.
And I'm going to tell you how I know that. Also, while investigating this assassination,
there is a politician's name that keeps coming up. And now he's apparently mad that we keep asking
questions. I'm beginning to think that he might know something that he hasn't yet shared. So,
I wanted to kind of loop you guys into this and see what you think. Welcome back to Candace.
Why Tyler Robinson isn't suicidal.
Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself. Tyler Robinson didn't kill himself. I mean, these are the phrases that we now use and that we say uh when we expect that the federal government
is telling us a lie. Last week, I have to tell you, I was contacted by a source who I vetted with
information that answered a lot of the lingering questions that we've had about the investigation. Not all of them, but some of them, some of the big ones. Uh first and foremost, we were like,
how exactly did it work? How did Tyler Robinson turn himself in as we were told, but also never
confessed? And did he actually author those absurd Fed messages? Cuz I'm thinking no. Lastly, what
was he doing at Dairy Queen? Doesn't really quite fit into our timeline. Also, don't expect this kid
who just tried out being a stone cold killer to really have an appetite. And why exactly did the
feds withhold that information at Dairy Queen? And why are they allegedly stalking the Dairy Queen to see who comes in and out? Uh, well, we we have the story that could possibly potentially answer all
of those questions and it certainly makes a lot more sense than the slop that the government is
currently trying to feed us. First and foremost, Tyler Robinson has never confessed. They
acknowledge that he has never confessed to this crime and he still uh is pleading innocence on the
shooting. In fact, I was told that he was quote unquote bewildered by the idea that he carved
casings. I should be clear, he does not dispute the fact that it is his gun at all. It is his gun,
but Tyler is not exactly a gun enthusiast. He doesn't hunt like his other brothers do. In fact,
he's apparently a fisherman. The reason that he has that gun in the first place is because it is
in fact a custommade family heirloom. Tyler is the firstborn son. So he inherited. That's what
firstborns do. They get the family heirloom. That is why he has the gun. As many of you guys have noted, the Robinson family appear to be conservative, hence the hunting and the fishing
uh as the the sports of their choosing. I am told that they are fans of Charlie Kirk and they are
fans of Donald Trump. Although this source noted that Tyler, like many other conservatives have
um expressed, wished that Trump would sometimes tone down his speech and his rhetoric. Now, on the
topic of rhetoric, I am told that Tyler absolutely did not author those text messages. What text
messages? He has no idea where these messages came from. Uh believes that they are therefore entirely fictionalized. It turns out, you're going to be shocked that he doesn't actually
use words like vehicle. Uh which should come as no surprise to anyone that has a brain. By the way,
I'm sure you caught this, but um there's old footage of Tyler Robinson that is now circulating
from a car accident that he had. Uh, and during the discussion with the officer that showed up,
Tyler certainly refers to it as his car, not his vehicle, because that's how most Americans,
how most English speakers refer to a car, unless they're in the military or on the police force.
So, here is 2022 police body cam footage, in case you missed that, of Tyler making a crash report.
Take a listen. Your mom's on her way. Yeah, she's got to be a minute. She's got to shuttle over from
where she's at to her car and then drive over. Gotcha. His mother was going to shuttle over from
her car. H interesting. There's more. Of course, of most interest to me. what I've learned is that
his father uh does not believe his parents don't believe that their son committed this crime. I was
like, "Huh? Excuse me. That's a that's a far cry from what the media has been telling us. Remember,
the media presented this amazing story." Uh the father realized his son was guilty. So it goes,
right? And then he phoned over a friend to help him convince his son to turn himself in because
this guy, you know, this this mysterious guy was a friend and and just had a connection
with Tyler and eventually they said, "You got to do the right thing here. We know this is you." That was the vibe. Certainly that's what the media was putting down for us to pick up.
Well, I was told actually that it was kind of the opposite. That quote unquote family friend
uh who we learned was a former detective with the police force um at least and so therefore
has strong ties with the police station informed the family. It was that in between person that
informed the family that Tyler had been identified as the shooter. He recognized him. He knows Tyler.
He gives them the heads up. And then I'm told, and I believe this, that the way in which he
got arrested, or rather turned himself in, was because that family friend slashneighbor
slashformermer detective told him, "Hey, it's best for you to turn yourself in because there's only
one of two options here. Either you turn yourself in and everything is peaceable, or you know, the SWAT team could come in here and arrest you and things could get crazy."
So that's what happened. He went over to their house. Tyler was called over. Tyler was bewildered. He disputed the idea that he had murdered Charlie Kirk. In fact,
according uh to my source, Tyler has never even stepped foot on UVU campus. Tyler, it turns out,
has which has already been revealed, um was accepted into Utah State University,
not Utah Valley. And that's actually interesting if you pause and reflect on that because we didn't
really consider how on earth Tyler became not just familiar with the layout of the campus, but
familiar with the rooftop layout of UVU campus. So familiar that he knew exactly how to scale across
the rooftops to duck down or in order to take an almost impossible shot at a Charlie Kirk who was
sitting beneath a a tent. How did he know how to do all of that? Had he been there before? that he
he knew where Charlie was going to be sitting in it that he would have that shot from on top of the Loy Center. What? Right. I would actually and I I don't know, but I would imagine that even actual
current UVU students don't know that possibility. Like they're not even that familiar with how to
scale the rooftops and what shots they can take from it. We'll see. Uh, curiously, however,
my source says that Tyler Robinson was nearby the campus on that day. I'm wondering if that fact,
which I'm trying to learn more information regarding, explains the Dairy Queen photo because
what was he doing around the campus on that day? Where exactly was he around the campus on that
day? This photo never made any sense. I plugged it into my timeline. It wasn't fitting in. So,
if you're wondering why exactly Tyler would agree to go to the police station if he's not guilty,
um, ironically, the police were honest that day. Um, on one of the points, well, first and
foremost, that point is Tyler is not suicidal. Um, he wanted to go to the police station so
that he didn't risk accidentally getting shot by the police swarming his home. as I said earlier,
in a theatrical arrest setting. But rather confusingly, uh, Brooksby, Nate Brooksby tells
us that Tyler is suicidal. Whatever. Let's just take a listen to to what Nate Brooksby said after
he had been apprehended. Take a listen. So, so I get a call from my friend and his his said, "Hey,
how you doing?" Good. And it's not, you know, he's been retired a few years. He he'll we'll call each other. It's not it's not unusual for me to get a call from him or vice versa. And at 8:02 p.m.
he calls me. Hey, I can tell his voice is kind of shaky. So, my first thought is who who died? Like,
who who's he going to tell me that died? And then uh and then I can't I couldn't fathom what
actually came out of his mouth. So, he said, "Hey, um I know who I know who Charlie Kirk Shooter is.
Um, I I know the family through religious association and uh he's in he's in Washington
County now and we're working on trying to get him to come involuntarily. During that phone call
um some information was provided about Tyler uh potentially having some suicidal ideiations was in
or out to a remote area Washington County. Um the parents convinced him not to do that and uh you
know conveyed that they would uh you know stand by him and help him help him um surrender peacefully.
I'm told that's that's not true. That Tyler was not suicidal at all. He was just confused and
didn't want to get shot. Uh and then he gets to that part, right? He then tells us Brooksby that
he came in willingly because he didn't want to die. Let's take a listen to that portion. Within
the hour, um, my friend, uh, drove Tyler and his parents to my office where he was greeted by,
uh, plane closed detectives. So, that was part of the part of the deal is um, Tyler knew it was just inevitable with all the law enforcement pressure that he, you know,
his picture in the news, the gun, the gun on the news, he knew it was inevitable uh, that he would be caught. he was fearful of a SWAT team hit on his house or he was fearful of being shot
by law enforcement. So part of the negotiation and getting him to bring himself in was that that we
would we would treat it as delicate and as soft as possible to make him feel comfortable to where
he would he would show up at my office and that's exactly what happened. It can't be both. It can't
be both. Was he suicidal and wanting to die or was he worried about dying? It can't be both. And I didn't catch on to that early on. It's the answer was he came in because he is not suicidal
and did not want to get shot and was confused as I am told. Now you're probably wondering why the father and the mother didn't speak out to assert his innocence. That would make sense,
right? Uh why don't you come right out and dispute everything immediately. Well, interestingly enough, I'm told that it's because the feds told them that if they spoke out, their
lives could be at risk. like they they needed to keep things private and they convinced the family to go into witness protection. Like your lives are in danger. You shouldn't say anything.
Somebody could like, you know, just come back and and try to harm you guys because of what your son
did. You should go into witness protection and don't speak to anybody. Trust us. We're the feds, bro. And they agreed, of course, in the fog of it all. Why wouldn't you agree? But then,
like any good maybe conservative family, you start going, I don't really trust these feds. Like I'm a
little suspicious about the feds. Here's another point of interest. Okay. His father had no idea
that Tyler was gay. That's what I'm told. They are learning this in and through the media. They
thought that Lance was just his roommate and they were especially shocked because apparently Tyler
kept mentioning to them that he wanted them to meet some girl that he was seeing. Now, I would
like to interject my own voice here and say that I think this girl was likely Lance and Tyler was
working up the courage to tell his family that he was gay. That is what is most likely in my opinion
because we know for a fact that Tyler was in fact in a relationship with Lance because we have
exclusive photos, by the way, they're about to show you uh that the two of them posted to their Instagrams. This is Lance posting Halloween era photos. I forgot to post my boyfriend is the best.
Love you. Um, don't worry, that handle has since been taken down of what Tyler's handle was, but he's got a handle that doesn't have his name in it, so he's maybe trying to hide this stuff. Um,
and then there's another photo of them. And this one's posted by Lance again, pics from when Tyler
had a mustache. You can see that they were in a relationship. Just makes sense that he was working up the courage to maybe tell his family about that. Now, I was told also that Tyler is off the
charts intelligent and always has been. We know this. He had a perfect GPA in high school. Now,
that is precisely what made the idea of him being so stupid as to author a full confessional via
text messages pointedly absurd. Like, any person with a modicum of intelligence is going to go, I'm
not going to put this down in writing with every detail. Uh, and apparently whoever offered those
messages, likely feds, didn't have a modicum of intelligence or they would have maybe not included
every single detail there. Uh the family says that the photo of the young man that is coming up
the stairs which was shared that blurry image is definitively not Tyler Robinson. And let me just
say I never thought it looked like him. Neither did you. Okay. Face looks different. Face looks
more narrow. Also that person looks taller. Every time I say I'm like this person is taller than
Tyler Robinson. Tyler Robinson also appears to have full lips even though this image is blurry.
We're not looking for someone that's got a that got fuller lips. And Tyler Robinson looks broader
um than that individual walking. Right. So I I I'm on board with that person walking up the
stairs is not Tyler Robinson because I feel like it was intentionally blurred. They also never gave
us the footage at all because in order to blur it, they probably needed a static image. Also,
the family believes that um and this is really interesting, Tyler Robinson's apartment was staged
after his arrest. Now, you will recall that I spoke to Lance's family and one of the things
that Lance's family said was it was, "Hey, we own that apartment. They pay rent to us. I've never we've never met Tyler Robinson." But I can tell you that it seems like they were trying to hide
the fact that this, you know, that this apartment got raided. And it's very strange that they
immediately cleared Lance as a suspect. And I was told by other people in the department that they
wanted to keep that raid very hush hush. Anybody know about the raid? There was no mention of this
raid. And Lance immediately gets cleared as a suspect. Why? Well, according to Tyler's family,
they went to that apartment after his arrest and they felt the apartment was staged and
that intentionally in Tyler's room, a furry bed was placed, almost sort of implying that they're
trying to transfer the attributes of Lance onto Tyler, and that's shady. But again, when I put
together what I'm being told by Lance's family and what I'm hearing from the Robinson family
uh through a third party, I will say that it matches. It kind of seems like they're agreeing.
One family's going, "Hey, Lance is kind of evil. Why is he getting why is he getting cleared?" The other one's going, "Tyler's not this guy. Tyler is not this guy. So, what the hell is going on,
guys? What is actually going on right now?" There's also something else that's weird
that I want to uh mention here and that is the unusual lengths in which the media and
the sheriff's department. They've gone through all of these lengths I would say to protect the
identity of that former sheriff friend who was the one who convinced Tyler to turn himself in. Even
in that press conference, by the way, Brooksby, I don't like the way he's moving. I don't like the
way Nate Brooksby is breathing. I got to be honest with you, it's a vibe. For no reason at all,
he feels like he has to explain how he got on the phone with this uh sheriff friend of his. Like,
nobody asked you whether or not it was usual for him to call you. He's kind of overexlaining here in my opinion. Take a listen. At exactly 8:02 on the 11th, I received a call from a friend of
mine who happens to be a retired detective that worked for me for many years. Um, I didn't put
that out there initially. I wanted to protect that individual as much as possible. Um, unfortunately
in the court documents, which is standard, uh, he was referenced as a retired Washington County
deputy. So, I didn't put that out there. It was in the court docs. I was trying to protect even that information and just saying retired law enforcement in general. Why are you Why are you
trying to protect him? Why did you feel the need to explain to us earlier? It was it's not unusual
for him to call me this guy, but I fortunate that information is in documents that he was, you know,
formerly working for me and working with me. What do you mean? If he was formerly working for you,
that would mean he was a public figure and this should be usual. Public figures, people that work for police departments are always public and their informations are something their name is someone
we could easily research. It's nonsense. He's weird about this. He um says that he retired.
I think a journalist asks in the audience like you know that former friend detective uh how long has he been off the force and he says I don't know if we have that clip or maybe we
didn't cut that Skyler but he's like three years. But actually we were able to figure out who that
individual was and it's I feel someone that we need to get in touch with. We've tried to get in touch with him. Um, the name of that individual is is former Deputy Mike Mitchell. Okay. Deputy
Mike Mitchell. Now, oddly, despite a career of 25 years in the police force, I can't find a single
trace of him in old newspapers. So, I'm looking for more information on this guy. I understand
that he knows Tyler through the Boy Scouts. He's involved in the LDS church. And I think Tyler
um was he was he was the Boy Scout leader. That's the connection there. We were able to confirm that this Mike Mitchell lives on the block, uh, lives nearby, um, as was told via via other sources.
And thus far, we have only been able to even see a picture of him. There's just one picture uh,
or a set of pictures that we were able to find. And that again, which would mean Brooksby lied
a little bit. I don't like a little bit of lies because you usually have to lie a little bit when there's something bigger that you're afraid of it. According to this post, he retired last January.
Here it is. On the left, you have Brooksby. I don't trust that guy. Just don't trust him. And on
the right hand side, you have Today, we celebrated the career of Detective Mike Mitchell. After over
24 years of serving, 24 years Washington County, he is retiring, starting in the jail back in 1999.
Uh, Sheriff Brooksby and Detective Mitchell both had some wonderful stories to share. We would like
to give our heartfelt thanks to Detective Mitchell and all who came out to give him a warm send off.
Congratulations, Detective Mitchell. This is the only trace of this guy I could find. That's weird.
I don't That is very odd. That is unusual. That is an anomaly. When you serve that long police force,
you inevitably make it into the news. So, I am asking and we tried to reach out to this individual. We have had no luck. If you have any more information about this individual, if he is
your boy scout leader or he works for your church, please send us um tips at canesence.com. Guys,
I'm going to again say here we appreciate all of the tips, but please don't send us links to like
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Phil Lyman and the people mad that we are asking questions.
Okay, so something very strange happened this weekend and I need to tell you I need to tell you guys about it. I need to offload this and get your opinion. Now, first and foremost,
I have to tell you about this student who I'm going to refer to as Nick. Nick is not his real name. I'm going to refer him as Nick to protect his identity. Obviously, I came across Nick very
early on in this investigation. In fact, you might recall uh when I shared a photo online of a person
that looked suspicious. He was wearing like a black suit and black glasses and he seemed to
have a strap hanging out of his bag. Uh here he is right here and he was in the food court. I shared
that photo because Nick had sent it to me into our tips box and said, "This person looks rather
mysterious. he's running through the food court. And from from there, we kind of he kind of became my boots on the ground. He's like, "Hey, I go to UVU. I'm a major Canis Owens fan. I want to help
in any way that I can." Okay. So, that's how that happened. That was really um and right away he
told me on like day two of the investigation that he worked on Phil Lyman's gubernatorial campaign,
Phil Lyman ran against Governor, the current Governor Cox, and he lost. And one day, very
early on, this must have been like day three, uh, Nick cold calls me and Phil Lyman's on the phone,
okay? Like I said, he ran for governor and I was prepping for the show and things were early on and
I was still in a very agrieved phase and I didn't really know I was on the phone with this guy, Phil Lyman. I was like, "Okay, thank you so much. I appreciate that you're offering help." And um,
Nick insisted to me, he's a fantastic person. He has tons of resources. He knows the area. Uh, if you need any help, he can help you. Okay, great. Fast forward to me looking into the witness list
and obviously we spoke about this Tiffany Peterson Barker. That very weird clip of her with her
nieces at like 4:00 a.m. in the morning speaking on Good Morning America and uh her energy was just
weird to me. I thought her being there was weird. Obviously, this is my podcast. I can say whatever I want. We reached out to her and um then she gave us uh you know a ton of information and
but never actually presented to us. She never sent me directly any footage that could verify that she
was there when Charlie Kirk got shot. Okay. And she was a bit upset that I didn't clarify that.
I thought it was weird that she wouldn't just text me the footage because it didn't allow me to confirm that she was where she said she was. That's what metadata is for. Metadata instantly
will say, "Here's where you were, at what time, and this is this person's iPhone." So, I wasn't gonna lie to my audience. I just told you guys, "Hey, you can check her out on her Instagram.
Here's her excuse. She says that this is why her nieces said that." And we sort of moved on,
right? But then I then I learned from Nick that the photo of the person who was wearing that black
suit in dark sunglasses had come from Tiffany Barker's mother. I was like, "Well, that's weird.
whatever. And um then you will recall we learned from Tiffany when I was trying to figure out how
did you get this hit on Good Morning America? Like did you share something that would have had them reach out? Well, then I told you she told us actually Phil Lyman is the person that
put me on Good Morning America. My sister ran with him as Lieutenant Governor. And I was like, "Oh, okay. So Phil Lyman got you that that uh position on Good Morning America. you had
a essentially a connection there that made that happen. Don't know how I missed this,
but then I learned that Phil Lyman himself was very involved in all the communications that
immediately went out about the shooting and that his car was in the driveway of the now infamous
TMZ footage which showed the shooter walking twice that day by this house. In fact, Phil Lyman says
that he had just pulled into that driveway minutes earlier and had just missed the shooter. Here he
is in his own words speaking to Kaye Mcaney. Take a listen. I do want to linger on a moment for what
you just told us and I'm going to ask the team to pull back up that surveillance footage that we've gotten from TMZ from those neighborhood cameras. You said that in that footage is your
driveway and you parked there at 11:30 a.m. We know this footage that you're looking at was
taken at 11:49 a.m. So So you would have been on that street. That driveway 19 minutes right across
right across Yeah. It's not my driveway. It's my aunt's driveway. Uh parking lot was very full.
He's walking he's walking in front of my aunt's house there right now. My cousin's house is the driveway that is taking that v photo photo and my CRV, the gray CRV in the distance there is that is
my car. I parked there probably 10 minutes before he walked by. And I had not seen this footage till
just now and I'm I it just keeps so many things that keep uh linking up. It's really astonishing
to me. And then then we went back to this house afterwards. They thought they had the the shooter.
Uh so I took a friend of mine. We went back to my aunt's house. says, "Well, we'll just hang out here for a while." Uh, and uh and and before long, the people were combing the backyard, as you saw.
She had the footage of that. And uh and pretty soon, helicopters are overhead. And so, this is
very very local to me. Very I mean, not only is it Utah, but it's kind of my neighborhood where I spent so much of my childhood and all of my relatives. I This is This is really astonishing.
It's been a I got up yesterday morning at at 6:00 to drive up and and meet Charlie and and I
uh I haven't been I haven't been to bed since then because it's just one thing after another after another and so astonishing that this could happen in Utah. Now, just to be clear and to reiterate,
19 minutes before the shooter walks across, he had just pulled into the driveway. Phil Lyman pulled into the driveway. He says that he uh saw Charlie Kirk that day. We're going to get to that. Also,
when he says like he grew up there and his family, I mean, his family owns, we were able to determine 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 homes right there. Incredible. Okay. Absolutely
incredible. And that his little press tour obviously now you're like, you know, explaining your car was in the driveway, so it's a issues close to him. That kind of makes sense. Then,
um, he went on to Alex Jones and spoke about where he was when the shot rang out. And what's kind of,
and I'm laughing here because it's kind of absurd, he kind of sort of blames it on these two random goth girls. Maybe like he's kind of implying like there were these girls that were wearing black
and maybe they should be taken a look at further. Take a listen. Just yesterday, someone comes in,
he says, "Yeah, uh, we we've got video." He came off the roof. He walked up. He came up here to
the uh parking lot, got in the car with with an individual and they and they drove away. Well, that's not the story that came. So that he that he escaped another route and there there's there
are people who are coordinating this thing. I I do not believe that that 306 that they showed
recovered in the bushes was ever on the roof. I think it was in the bushes to start with. And now
I'm not saying that that Tyler Robinson wasn't on the roof. I'm not saying he didn't pull a trigger. Uh I was I was in very very close proximity. So, another interesting thing, like I say,
I I left the front of the stage. I wanted to meet some of my friends and bring him down front. So, I was clear at the east end and I heard this loud boom. I heard this loud bang. And I turned around.
I'm looking like, "What was that? What was that?" And and um pretty soon some people started, you know, running. Everyone was trying to process and I thought, "This is a gunshot." And there's going
to be more of them. I thought it could turn into a mass shooting. So, I go to the people closest to me. Everyone's ducking down behind the the concrete uh retaining walls and some of them were
still kind of oblivious, but there were two people that were standing there. Uh two girls, very goth,
very black, you know, and and I just walked I stepped up to the side of them and I said, "Did that not happen right here? Did did you hear that? Was that right here?" They said,
"Yeah, it was just right over there." So, they're confirming, "Yeah, the shooter or or wherever that sound came from is right here." The thing that didn't really dawn on me is that they were not
running. They were not frightened. In fact, as I stepped up, I heard one of the girls um and they
were talking to each other and they're looking at these kids, looking at the scene down below of all these people fleeing for their lives. And she says, "Go f yourselves." Um and uh and and like I
say, I was not processing that. I was trying to figure out what was going on. I thought this is a separate conversation. I don't know what it is. In hindsight, as I've watched that over and over,
it's like these these people were not afraid. Okay. Okay. So, what I get from that is he was
up high cuz he says they're looking down below and that maybe people that are wearing black are
immediately suspects. I don't know cuz they were not afraid. Anyways, he also went on to a local
Utah news station and spoke about how he was with Charlie just before Charlie went onto stage. Take a listen. Phil, thanks for joining us first of all, but I saw a picture I saw a picture of you
with Charlie Kirk and it looks like you were like maybe right before he went on stage. Is this just
like minutes before this happened? Yeah. No, I was I was I was basically backstage and and when
he and when he came out I was throwing the hats. I was I was I was there. I was standing next to the stage and I and I would have been there when the shooting took place, but I needed to go meet
some of my friends and I didn't want to just hang hang around. Uh, so there's a part of me that's glad that I wasn't in close proximity and part of me that that um feels bad that I wasn't there
just in some form of moral, you know, presence and support. It's such a tragic thing. When I
combine those clips, I'm kind of unclear as to where he was exactly when the shots rang out, if he was close or if he felt bad that he wasn't close. Anyways, uh, he went on to Instagram that
night as Tiffany was prepping her Good Morning America hit, I suppose. uh and he speaks further
about what he was doing back onto campus and what exactly he remembers. Take a listen again. This is
on September 10th and it's around 11:30 p.m. at night. Hey, it's September 10th, 2025 and I was
just heading back from Salt Lake to Blanding. I'm getting a very late start. It's about 11:30 at night and I wanted to swing back by UVU campus where Charlie Kirk was killed today. and
uh see if I could let a few of the police officers know how much I appreciate the work they're doing. See if there's some college students here that I could rub shoulders with more for my benefit
than for theirs. But what I really wanted to share was I I was very close this morning where Charlie Kirk was at. Met him backstage and we talked for a moment before he went on stage and I was backstage
as he started speaking then decided to go up top and and I went up uh to the top and ironically was
very close to where the shooter was apparently. I the the the shot was very loud and uh I determined
pretty quickly that whoever it was was on on the roof and it was a 200 yard kill shot.
Where was he? I don't know. I find this to be a little weird, but look, let's be clear, by no
means conclusive of anything other than perhaps a strange coincidence and maybe this is why he feels so impassioned and wants to keep speaking about it. Also, you know, he's a gubernatorial
candidate. Makes sense. uh this would be a political moment to show that you're a leader. And look, life is not exactly an Agatha Christie novel, right? Where the guilty party somehow
inserts himself into the investigation. So, I park that aside. I keep pushing and I'm following more
public leads. But also I I do recall in the back of my mind that both Phil and Tiffany Barker and
as it would turn out another person that lives on that street with the last name Shamway kept trying to get me to look into Governor Cox because he's according to Tiffany very supportive of the trans
stuff. You should look into Tiffany Tiffany said into Governor Cox and similarly um the
Shamway emails were like you should look into this Governor Cox because he he likes trans. So they're
open and close. That feels to me always just like fed bait. Left versus right. Right. He likes trans
people, so it has to be him. Okay. Oddly, look, I'm just following the facts here. Nothing in
my investigation has made me ha ask a question further about Governor Cox on that day. Nothing
came up organically, so I'm not going to push it just because he's a Democrat. And actually,
where I was at at this process, what's that? Oh. Uh, pushing that because Governor Cox is his, uh,
sorry, I said Democrat because he's his, you know, he's waring with him and that's the candidate that he wants to go after. And I actually start noticing as I'm looking into this investigation
that everyone who is involved on that day, I mean, literally the person who spots the shooter
um on the roof, military, uh, the person who says, "Oh, the the he I just cap happened to
be in the right place in the flag of halls where I saw him running." also in the military. And I'm starting to think, is it possible that this is like a military hit? I don't know, but I'd
like to find out. Next came a tip that you guys saw me receive live on the show. Someone paid a
woman paid to say, "Candice, there's more footage of the shooter on that day." And you should know
that that shooter was with a woman, right? That's a tip that I received. That that woman that the
shooter was with a woman and he was seen changing clothes and that they've cut out that footage. So,
I reach out to that individual and the name that they give me for the house that this took place
in and I'm able to confirm that this property is nearby is owned by Lyman Branch. So, now I want
to be clear, I could not attach whether or not yet this individual is related um to Phil Lyman,
but he's been honest about the fact that his family lives around there a lot. like you know the Steel Lyman clan is is here. So I was a little bit on alert, maybe like a lot of bit on alert and
I decided to just do a ba a basic search into Phil Lyman. Like is is his family in the military? I
don't know. I'm asking the question to myself and I'm quite surprised that it's impossible for me to find out who his mother and father are. Like I literally don't know what goes on in Utah,
but it seems like a very weird thing to me that you would be able to keep information about who your mom and dad are private if you're running for governor, right? So, I just simply ask Nick.
I haven't shared any of this with Nick because I know that he worked for Phil Lyman and I'm not accusing Philman of anything. I'm just like trying to actually shut that down. And he says,
"I actually I don't know whose mom and dad are." I'm like, "What do you mean don't know?" Okay, weird. Whatever. I then decide to keep pushing on military leads that I have, people that were on
the ground that day who I've confirmed are in the military. Anyways, then something insane happens.
Nick calls me and he's a little bit undone. He tells me that Phil Lyman has just showed up at
his house. Now, I want to be very clear. Nick is 20 years old. He's a 20-year-old UVU student and
a major super fan of Phil as of 48 hours ago and he's very uncomfortable. And he tells me
that Phil randomly messaged him saying that he was nearby in town in town rather and asked Nick for
his address, something that he he never had. And Nick quite naively and being this Phil super fan
thinks that Phil's going to come and offer him a job because he's being been so on it investigating
this Charlie Kirk assassination and that's not what happens at all. Instead, he says that he shows up, he opens the door for him and his energy is very weird and he's asking him weird questions.
He's looking out of the window nervously. He sits down at the table. He's asking him questions about
my investigation. I'm like, I shared nothing with Nick. I literally was asking him, "Can
you go here? Pick up this whatever it is." And he is thinking this is getting weird. I said, "What
specifically did he did he say to you?" Well, he tells me that Phil has also set up a time to meet
with Ian Carol. Okay, so Ian Carol is conducting his own separate investigation. and we are not
collaborating at all, but he and Carol publicized that he was going up to Utah cuz he wanted to be on the ground physically by himself and he was reaching out to people um that uh who who had been
speaking about having been there and Phil Lyman is so gracious that he offers to give him a tour. And
Nick tells me he's like that's really weird now because we're like two weeks on from this shooting and Phil Lyman lives four hours away. So that's that's very very gracious of him to do, but his
energy isn't good. And then he mentions Governor Cox and he mentions Tyler Ber of Turning Point USA
and says that again this is according to Nick that Tyler Boyer and the the lineman have been
speaking and that they are you know really going to make Governor Cox and I'm I'm paraphrasing here
but apparently there's a a another Utah event USU event coming up and Governor Cox is supposed to
speak and Phil Lyman intimates that like you know this at this TP US event Governor Cox isn't going
to look great. I'm like what? He then tells him I'm going to go if you don't mind I'm going to go
take a phone call in my car. So he's just idling in a 20-year-old's driveway who just happened to
work on his campaign and he's on the phone and this is he's why he's calling me panicking. So I
don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what's happening. I don't know why he's being so weird. I don't know why he's asking me questions about this investigation. And I'm like
uh yeah this is weird. This is very weird. So then I'm like I'm I'm honing in here. I'm like, what
what's going on? I feel like he knows something at the very least. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how I feel. And I begin actually searching through our tips box for anything related to Phil related to
Phil Lyman. Maybe somebody else noticed something or knew something or he said something. And lo and behold, very early on, someone just messaged us and said, "Hey, like you should probably
uh ask more questions about Phil Lyman because every time I look into this investigation locally, him and his family members are popping up." And then that person tells me that his nephew had sort
of done this public tour, like Phil Lyman's nephew did this public tour saying that he was going to
walk the same route that the shooter walked near his grandmother's house. And that they found,
you guys remember this, they found the Converse footprint nearby his grandma's house. And he
presented a map, like this is it, this is actually from his Instagram. He presents this map and his
nephew's name is Shane. This again, this was all public. I'm only looking at things publicly. And let's just look at some of these posts from nephew Shane. I mean, first and foremost,
he he's with his friends. Said, "I took my friends to my grandma's house tonight and we re retraced
his steps and we took pictures in the exact place that the security cameras caught him. I've been
through this new experience for the last few days. I'm still very glad to have attended and to support Charlie Kirk and to see him." The last pick shows Converse brand footprints and then
he does hashtags and here are him and the three friends. And by the way, I'm looking at his the
friend on the right and I'm like I don't know. I'd like to know who that is at the very least. And uh
I'd like to know who everybody in this photo is. This is just interesting. Like you guys are are in the staircase and posting side by sides. They put these sideby-side photos of them in the staircase
and I just was like, I I need to just know more about you and I need to know more about these
two individuals who I couldn't find on his friends list. And they certainly hadn't liked the photo or else I would have messaged them directly to figure out who they are. And yeah, I found I found that
very strange. And so I messaged Nick and I asked him whether or not he had ever received any images
or videos from Phil directly. At the very least, we can see his line of vision so I can figure out
where exactly he was when the shots ran out. Um, and I'm wondering if like we can maybe get some
footage that we didn't have before when the shots ran out. And also, by the way, metadata is king.
That's kind of been very it's good to see because then I can put it in my timeline. That's why I love metadata. I can say this exactly happened at this time. Strangely, uh, Phil kind of freaks
out. He doesn't want to share those photos with Nick. And he asks him explicitly, "Whose side are
you on? Whose side are you on? I thought we were all on the same side. We're all trying to catch
Charlie Kirk's killer one way or the other. You You inserted yourself into this. Got on the phone with me. I was not even trying to make any communication with you. I literally am just
asking questions." And now all of a sudden it's like, "Oh, you don't want to answer any questions. You don't want to share anything." and he tells me that yesterday Phil Lyman just calls him and
he shouts at him like who the f do you think you are kind of a deal you know what I mean like who are you to ask me for anything I already gave my photos to Taylor Hansen and so at that point I was
like look you've been great Nick but I don't want you being shouted out I don't want you feeling comfortable in your own home I would like you to just remove yourself entirely from the boots on
the ground elements of this investigation I don't think Phil is acting in a way that I perceive to
be stable given the fact that again he inserted himself in this investigation and we're asking
this is my car on the street. Okay, you want to be helpful. We're asking you to be helpful and now all of a sudden you're showing up at 20-year-old's house and you're being weird. I don't like it. I
don't I don't I don't like it at all. And I said I I could reach out to Phil directly by myself. And
I did. I reached out to both Phil and I reached out to his nephew Shane and I asked for them to identify the guys in that photo. Uh, like I said, I was interested uh in who those individuals were
because I couldn't find it on his friend list. And in response, Shane immediately takes his
profile private. And Lyman, Phil Lyman, leaves me on red. So, I am now left in the predicament where
I need to just ask the public. If you are one of those two kids that are in the photos there, I would love to ask you some questions since you publicized this tour. I mean, they even did the
full video walking through where he walked and you know, he said my uncle, he even posted he
posted Phil Lyman and my uncle was with Charlie. This is the video that they posted. Everything was
done publicly. And now I'm like, okay, you could maybe maybe you have something that's helpful I want to ask you about. Could you send me that photo? Could you send me that video? Could you
send me all of this stuff? And now I'm getting radio silenced. So, unfortunately, because I
need to figure out what happened on that day, I am turning to the public uh to try to identify those
people and anything else that you may know that may help put things together uh for us. Again,
please reserve the tips at canisowns.com for actual tips related to the questions that we are asking. Uh not for just comments, those sorts of things, videos that you'd like me
to watch or things that you'd like to do to point me into a different direction. Please just uh tag us on social media so that we can try to manage this process better. Anyways, you guys given you
a lot a lot of weird stuff going on. Just need to know what on earth happened on that day. Going to
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Comments.
All right, you guys. So, what do you think? Is Is it weird for a gubernatorial candidate to arrive
at a 20-year-old's house? Yes, I can answer that for you. That is weird. That is very weird. That was weird. Okay. There's no way around that. Um and again, hopefully he will answer and
he will just send me some videos and uh that will be yeah, that'll be uh case closed and
maybe he doesn't want to help anymore. That's fine. But you can't insert yourself and then pretend you're under attack when people then go, "Hey, can you answer some basic questions?" Um,
Marzy is writing to us. She writes, "Looking into the bullet made me think of the poisoned bullet
when hit men intentionally use a bullet to cause a lot of damage from tumbling and fragmentation. This is done by keyholeing the round to tumble or bounce into the body for internal damage causing
many wounds." I actually did not know that at all. I'm super ignorant um on the topic of ballistics and things that are actually done. That is I never even heard about keyholeing. So, thank you for
sharing that. Caitlyn Derrian writes, "Candace, as a journalism student with an insatiable thirst for the truth. You are a true model of real journalism. I hope to one day get the chance to
work with you. Keep doing everything that you do. May God continue to protect you and your family. I love you, girl." Yeah. I mean, my insatable thirst is to figure out what happened that day.
Um my gut instinct is that this was a military operation. Uh based off everything that I've seen
and the lingering questions that I have and some other leads that we are working on, that's how I feel. Um and even when I was trying to find Miss Mike Mitchell, I could find the Mitchell
family. I don't know if it's his family, but the Mitchell name in that area was coming up for like Air Force. And so I again when I get into these places where I can't find any more information,
I turn to you guys to help me out. But I find it very strange that you would protect somebody who's been on the force for 24 years. Like what? You're you've always been a public figure essentially.
And uh I I think Brooksby has some nervous energy there when he's like, "Oh, he called me. That's
just totally usual. That's not weird." It's like, "Nobody said it was weird. So why are you answering for something that nobody said?" Little things like that. It's the same thing like when I
saw Tiffany's uh interview. I just I I just found it like most of you did to be odd uh given the
fact that the hit man was still on the run that you would bring uh your nieces there. And she gave
her explanation. And like I said, you can go to her Instagram. She has asked us repeatedly to send you guys to her Instagram where she explains why uh her why they decided to go back that early in
the morning. And like I said, Phil Lyman was the one who got her the hit or Phil Lyman's office, her sister got her the hit on uh Good Morning America. Kristen Theoret writes, "Canis, I am
so sorry for the loss of your dear friend. I agree that it's weird that the people closest to him are just moving on. I feel this whole story is very twisted and you are the only one who is capable of
unraveling the truth." Yeah. And sadly, the people that I am in partnership with on demanding more answers are not even people who were friends with Charlie Kirk. They're just like, "Obviously, this
is wrong and this is weird and I'm on the left." Maybe uh Max Blumenthal dropping uh he dropped a bunch of articles last week and I think he's got more coming out. Why is Max Blumenthal, who
wasn't a friend of Charlie Kirk, more interested in what happened to Charlie Kirk than the people closest to him? That strikes me as very odd. Just odd. I mean, no element. They could at the
very least name the donors, get a little bit of revenge. Name the donors who were pressuring him. Tell the truth about what was happening there. They won't do anything. They're just like, "Oh,
it's all good. It's all good." No, it's not all good. Actually, not all good at all. Bitsy writes,
"The whole world is a stage used to hurdle the cattle in the direction that they want to take us. It's all lies. I rejected all. Lord Jesus Christ is king." Indeed, Bitsy Miranda Allen writes,
"I wish I could do more. My thoughts and prayers are with you as you find truth and also mourn a lost friend. God bless and keep you. Pray. It works. I I really do believe praying protection
over the people who are trying to discover what happened um is significant. It it is. I
I really do believe that everyone needs prayer and protection at this moment. Cassie writes, "Many people I follow on social media have lost credibility with me because they are not asking
any questions at all. I can't imagine calling Charlie a friend and not questioning any of this." Yeah, that's what's great. Like at the very least I would expect them to get up there and be like
what are what's up with these fed messages? This is weird. No, they're all just like let's move on
and uh we're just going to his legacy is going to be we're just going to continue the organization without him. I mean like I was thinking if I'm Charlie and I'm looking down I'm just like what?
Dang. I thought we were super close. Really? You're like the vibes are not vibing there. I
know Savannah would investigate. Savannah's crazy. Savannah, she would investigate. She'd be crazy. She was super crazy. She'd be wearing all pink going down to Utah. That's what Savannah would
do. Kaya writes, "It's 1963 all over again. They don't like people asking questions. Furthermore,
Ian being mentioned." Yeah, random. And I called Ian. I was like, "Hey, Ian, just letting you know like um I don't know. I I don't think he's going to necessarily put you on a tour try to help you
because he's not being very kind right now to this poor guy, Nick, who was like a super Phil
Lman super fan. And uh I think that went sideways. Uh Kaya continues, "Prayer for you and him. You're
getting close to something. Keep going. Christ is king." Um and then my producer has a note that there are a lot of comments asking about the microphone theory. Here's what I will say
about that. I when I first saw the footage thought as well that something came upward. Um but when I
looked at image from the side, the microphone is still on him afterwards. So like when you see it for it looks like it kind of disappears but then it kind of shifts when you look at the
um when you look at the the perspective slightly to the left you see that it actually stays on
him and it's just in the fold. Again I don't know enough about weaponry to say that that's possible or not possible. But I would imagine if anything did sling into him uh with that kind of
a force it would fall off. And I can tell you it doesn't fall off. There's another theory that I'm
still looking into that has been presented that I think is definitely interesting. It's definitely
interesting and I'm trying to play my cards close to my chest as I ask certain questions. Probably
will have more on that maybe tomorrow or the next day. But um yeah, I I I do think it's very weird
that he was miked after he sat down. Tell you that that's never happened to me at a Turning Point
event. They Mike you backstage always. Um, so yeah, I I thought that was strange. There's a lot
of things that were being done for the first time that day. And I'm going I'm planning on revealing
all of them. By the way, I'm just waiting for everybody to like join me. Where where where are Charlie's homies at? Why are you guys all silent? Something's not right. I know it's not
right. Okay. Uh, we don't know now, but we know. You know, we don't know, but we know. And soon
we're going to know no. And that's all I'm going to say about that. We'll see you guys tomorrow.
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George Galloway DESTROYS Starmer as Trump CAVES to Israel | Larry Johnson & Patrick Henningsen
by Danny Haiphong
Streamed live on Sep 29, 2025 #starmer #israel #trump
The desperation of the US & UK backed Israeli regime has reached crisis levels as George Galloway's detainment and the rejection of Netanyahu worldwide signals the walls are closing in. This mega panel of analysts and journalists from the UK and US will break down what the crisis facing the empire really means as Israel's demise hastens.
JOINING: Patrick Henningsen, Larry C. Johnson and Matt Kennard
Transcript
Welcome back to the show. It's your host Danny Haiphong. Please do hit the like button. That helps boost this show in
YouTube's algorithm. And we have a big one today. As Israel's genocidal war on
Palestine and the region continues unabated, its isolation grows and the US
and the UK have doubled down on their support for Netanyahu and the Israeli regime. And they've set their sights on
domestic opposition. In the Labor Prime Minister uh UK Kier Starmer's
government, we saw a friend of the show George Galloway, host of Moes and former British MP be detained at Gatwick
airport under the terrorism act for a total of nine hours between he and his
wife. And one of the questions asked by the heavily armed police was what were
their views on Gaza and why did they have them? Now Netanyahu himself is talking about using Tik Tok as a weapon
of war following the Trump sale of that uh uh social media outlet. And uh even
as the European leaders and Donald Trump himself are talking about peace, no one
believes them. So one has to ask what explains this desperation? What explains
this crackdown? What does it mean in the wider view of both geopolitics and the world situation? to do all of this, to
talk about all of this. I have very special guests. First time on the show, I'm going to introduce Matt Canard. He
is an investigative journalist and author. He has done incredible work and
author of many books and articles, especially on the UK's role in the Gaza
genocide. Matt, good to see you. Great to be with you. Thanks for joining. Thanks for having me. It's good to be
here. Of course. Then we have Patrick Henningston. He is the co-founder of 21st Century Wire. He also has his own
Substack as well, journalist and a commentator. Patrick, good to see you.
Great to be with you, Danny. And then we have former CIA analyst and geopolitical commentator Larry Johnson.
Good to see you today, Larry. I'm here. Thanks. All right. Yes. Well, Matt, I wanted to
start with you. You know, we have a situation where uh George Galloway, a British MP for many many many many
years, actually sat in the rooms where the terrorism act was discussed. He was
detained at the airport. He joins uh many who have been harassed under the
terrorism act. people like Asa Win Stanley who's a friend of this show of electronic and Richard Medhhurst another
friend of this show uh and British journalist Syrian British journalist uh and Kit Clarenburg and so many others uh
this was um George's words himself about what exactly happened in the airport and
I will just play that really quickly and then get your commentary. Here we go.
M airport in England but it is not the
reason that they stated. We were questioned myself for around 4
hours datri for around 5 hours and then
released without charge. For what charge could there possibly have been? How
could we, me and Guyatri have anything to do with terrorism? How? Well, we
certainly were not enlightened during the collective nine hours of
questioning. Not a single effort was made to show cause for having detained
me and her with armed officers in public
in an English airport. Not a single question. And they ranged far and wide
right down to Gatri's famous fingernail painted in the Palestinian colors. Why?
Why is your fingernail painted in the Palestinian colors? What's your attitude
to the conflict in Gaza? Who persuaded you of this point of view? Why do you
admire Mr. Lavough? Why are you so friendly to China? A country with which
Britain maintains absolute and full diplomatic relations and every big
company in the United Kingdom is doing business with China and we're not they
would dearly love to be. What does that have to do with terrorism? What are my views on Xi Jinping have to do with
terrorism? What are my views on Lavough have to do with terrorism?
So Matt, uh, you know, you're no stranger to both UK
politics, its complicity in the genocide in Gaza, as well as this terrorism act. So what are your impressions of this?
How do you see this in the bigger picture of what's going on uh both in the region, West Asia, visav Israel, and
uh the rest of the world? Yeah. Well, uh firstly uh the the detention of Galloway and his wife is a
massive escalation because um up till now you haven't had prominent
politicians uh being detained uh under terrorism act at airports. So I mean
Galloway is one of the most prominent figures over the last 25 years in British politics. You know he was a MP
i.e. an elected representative of British parliament for 16 years. He was one of the leading voices uh against the
war in Iraq, leading voices for Palestine for many decades and also testified quite famously in in US
Congress about the war in Iraq. Um so to detain him uh is quite is quite a reach.
But again it comes uh uh at a time when we're literally seeing our rights being
stripped away piece by piece and it's all being done using the terrorism act. So this is an act which was passed in
2000 when Tony Blair was a was the prime minister. Um and it is a hugely
repressive and authoritarian piece of legislation and it allows the police effectively to do what they want. uh
especially at airports but even outside of airports. You mentioned Asa Win Stanley in your introduction and in
October 2024 uh this again was unprecedented. His house was raided by uh police uh in a
dawn raid. They took all his uh journalistic devices and he wasn't arrested or charged with anything. Now,
up to that point, I didn't even think the police could do that in England, but apparently they can break into your house and take in all your take all your
stuff and not even charge you or um uh or arrest you. So, we're in a very uh
sticky situation. The the other thing is that we don't have a media which uh covers this stuff. Uh you would have
thought if any any any media worth its salt or actually taking its job seriously that the Asa Win Stanley raid
would have been all over the press, i.e. on the front pages. This is this is something that is seriously scary for
for especially for journalists but for everyone and it's never been written about in the mainstream media ever. Uh
even after he won a case against the police that what they did was unlawful. So I I think and as you say it does fit
into a wider context and it's all being done effectively at the behest of Israel. Um, and the Israel lobby in this
country is extremely powerful and they're obvious I think they're they're targeting people who have become
problematic for them. And ASA has been leading on the work on the Israel lobby in this country for for the last 10
years really. And I'm sure I don't have any evidence for this, but I don't think it's too much of a reach to say that
they probably were involved in uh that that the police doing that raid. You also have recently the Palestine action
prescription which again is involves the terrorism act and prescription is again a hugely authoritarian uh uh move uh uh
even even within the context of actual terrorist groups because it means that you can't you don't have free speech.
It's an attack on free speech completely. Uh so before they prescribed Hamas uh in the early 2000s and
Hezbollah the political wing was prescribed in 2019 at the behest of the Israel lobby that that's all recorded
and the important part of that section under the terrorism act that uh prescription one is that it makes
membership of that organization illegal but I actually don't think that's the most important part of it. The most
important part of it is that it it stops being able to voice support for that organization if an organization is
prescribed. And you're seeing over well over a thousand people arrested in the
UK just for saying now I support Palestine action. Uh and that is why I think they prescribed uh Palestine
action. I don't actually think what they do is is in terms of trespassing and and
doing damage to weapons of war is is illegal. Uh they don't need any more
tools to go after those people. And actually there were there were many more people there were many people in prison before the prescription. what that
prescription was about was about dampening down on the on speech of
British people because I think and I'll finish with this. I think Israel sees what's happened in the UK as as a real
loss over the past two years, maybe more than anywhere else in the in Europe and and uh in the West because we've had
consistently the largest demonstrations against the genocide. We've had Palestine Action was founded in the UK
and it's the most effective organization for really uh uh uh damaging the Israeli
war machine. And I think that they they have now gone uh using using the tools
of repression and using the law to to try and discipline a population they've lost control of effectively. They
haven't got control of the narrative anymore. you know, even though they've got largely got the mainstream media on their side, obviously the government is
is pumping out all the usual propaganda, uh, but the people aren't buying it anymore. So, I think that what you're
seeing is a a real uh erosion of our liberties and our rights on on behalf of
of this tiny little country uh in West Asia. And obviously, it's also happening in the United States. Unprecedented
things are happening in the United States. Like for example, one really shocking thing and I know I shouldn't be shocked by this because it's become
normalized now, but that Turkish student who was grabbed off the street by ICE officers for writing this article in a
student newspaper that was critical of Israel and it wasn't even an extreme article. It was a super moderate article. I thought, wow, that is that is
that is a a really scary thing to see. And then you're also seeing Trump the other day muting the idea that um the
federal government will withdraw um uh uh disaster relief funding to any state
which votes to boycott Israel. Again, in insane scenario that you have that degree of control. This is a degree of
control you can say things about your own government, criticize them in a way that you can't criticize Israel. So it's
it's a it's a wider crackdown. But I think that that's the and I think it will get worse in the short term, but I
think it is also a sign of uh success in in in terms of the the the resistance to
Zionism and the resistance to uh the genocide because it has been effective in completely transforming the
consciousness of people around the world and and that's why we got to carry on and effectively the risk that we're
taking and obviously it wasn't nice what happened to George Galloway. It wasn't nice what happened to ASA. But compared to what they're doing in Gaza and also
in the West Bank, but especially in Gaza to the journalists, you know, they literally just massacre journalists all
the time and their families. So, we have to use the tools we have uh and we have to take the risk that maybe we wouldn't
have in a different time because if we stop using our rights or we stop seeing these as rights that we possess, then
they will just wither and die. Yeah, great points, Matt. And uh to that, Patrick, I'll turn to you. Here's
the reporting uh that was happening during the detainment of George Galloway. George Galloway claims police
detained him for nine hours. This is the kind of stuff coming out of British media. Of course, it's not much better in the United States, as you know,
Patrick. Uh but what are your comments on on this situation and where it fits
in the overall geopolitical and world situation? I think I think Matt outlined
uh the the really important salient points on this issue. Um I can just reiterate that and maybe underline it a
little bit by saying that uh you know the the term terrorism the way it's being bandied about now how arbitrarily
it's being bandied about. It's it's been watered down to such a degree it doesn't really mean anything anymore. Hence, it
can be applied to just about uh anything uh anything that exposes state crimes,
exposes state hypocrisy, exposes policy. And you need to pay attention to how the
wording around these issues are being applied. And increasingly in recent years, we'll say, well, it's a threat to
national security. Uh we're we're detaining you because of the terrorism act, but also on the grounds that you
might be a threat to national security. then it becomes national interests. So
you go all the way from you know how do you define national interests or anything that basically makes the
government uh look bad uh anything that challenges government policy that's uh
can be deemed under you know threatening national interest. This is what Marco Rubio the type of language he was applying to uh the student protesters uh
on US campuses uh who are protesting the genocide uh in Gaza. So this it's a it's
it's a real uh uh sort of evolution in uh how the language is being applied by
the state. And the bottom line on all of this is uh and I think we need to go back to the original point which also uh
outline which is the real point is by procribing the political wing the
political wing of Hamas or the political wing of Hezbollah. Hezbollah holds a
large number of seats in the Lebanese parliament. Okay. and has done for a long time. So to quote, you know, label
them as a terrorist group at the behest of the Israeli lobby. I'm talking about the United States, Britain, uh you know,
France didn't prescribe the the funny enough the political wing of Hezbollah, I think only until recently, but years
before they didn't, the European Union, Germany, and etc. some European countries. And so this means that
there's no way that you can have any kind of a political conversation around foreign policy. So th this is to me a
huge con and the the real con is and the real danger is these these these moves
these unilateral moves by a specific set of governments i.e. allies of Israel
that the real target is international law. The real target is international
law because by uh by by attacking the political wing that means you can justify wiping out an entire parliament
like the Israelis tried to do largely successfully recently with Yemen under
the guise that these are terrorists that this country are are full of terrorists and that the population of Gaza are all
terrorists or terrorist sympathizers. Therefore, you basically get cart blanch
to do whatever you want. And the the results can be absolutely horrific,
barbaric, and uh apocalyptic as we've seen over the last two years. So, it's
not just words. These aren't just words we're dealing with here. It's the concept behind them and how governments
are wielding and using them. That's really, I think, a a huge threat to international law, international order,
and and civility ciagnization
uh on the whole. I think that's what's really hanging in the balance right now.
Larry, you know, you you're you're a former CIA analyst and you know, you're also a friend of George Galloway and his
show. Yeah. How how do you see this uh attack in in the sense of uh you know Matt brought up a
kind of desperation? It definitely appears very desperate that uh the UK authorities and of course the entirety
of the UK establishment are are now going after George Galloway as a voice of resistance. That kind of speaks to
the entire situation that both Patrick and Matt laid out. What is your reaction to this?
Well, it's one thing to go after George. I mean he's he's an outspoken and articulate fellow but to go after
Guyatri his wife you know I was I was with him both in uh in Moscow I guess it
was in June and this is just absolutely outrageous for them to get treated this
way. But look it boils down to you know two things. Uh, if you want to go out
and protest, criticize, condemn, vilify China, you get a pat on the ass. Hey,
the same with Cuba. Demonize them in the West. Good on you.
It's only if you're dealing with the Zionists in Israel and uh their their click their moneyed
click which hangs on in both the Christian communities in the United States and in Europe uh or the Russians
if you express any uh counter to that narrative. I mean it's so it it's it's a
very narrow but specific attack on trying to contain
uh to defeat a particular narrative while protecting and enhancing a narrative that's literally falling apart
at the seams. So this is uh it's alarming but uh you know we've seen this
uh this tendency uh the ability of the public to be so easily manipulated
you know as an example uh we're told that Hamas we're always told it's a it's a terrorist organization
really how many actual terrorist acts have they carried out I looked into that
I tried to count them up so over a 25 year period from August 2000 through the
data set I had went through April of 2024. Mind you, the data set came from
the Israeli Foreign Ministry. So, it's not like it was a Larry Johnson created product.
uh only 105 attacks and I'm putting those in quotation marks because a lot of it were
what you'd call retaliatory strikes, vendettas,
the kind of violence we saw here in America when the Hatfield McCoys were shooting at one another.
Compare that with Hayat al-Shem which in 2018 2019
were listed in the top 10 of worldwide terrorist groups.
So in other words in just one year Hayat Tar al-Se had more terrorist attacks
than Hamas did in 25 years. And yet, who's embracing the leader, Yao
Jalani, the leader of Hayatar Asheam, now called Alshara, dressed up in his
nifty Brooks Brothers outfit, uh, trimmed beard, trimmed hair. Oh, that's
us. That's the Brits. So, the hypocrisy on this stinks. But
it's uh, you know, it's become the the modus operandi of modern day.
Yeah. And Matt, maybe you can bring us home here on on this particular issue. You know, I know that you've been the
author of many books. Uh I know you have another book forthcoming, Rogue Reporter versus the American Empire. You also
wrote Silent Coup. Could could you talk about uh you know you've done a lot of investigations on kind of the corporate
side here and you've also uh really uh have dived deep into kind of the ways in
which the UK is is really operating uh for Israel and doing everything it can
to forward Israel's interest in the region. Why is this? What are some of the bigger root causes for why someone
like George Galloway as well as the other journalists now and and there's and activists as well uh these
particular targeted groups uh they're coming under heavy fire from the UK
government itself. Uh what are some of the root causes of this from your investigations?
Oh sorry you were muted. Here you go. Okay. One causes uh it's not from my investigations but it's just the
structural factor is we don't have a constitution in this country. So, we don't have our rights protected in the same way you do in the states. Um, we
have what's called an unwritten constitution, but it's it's complicated and based on norms, and it's very very
easy to bend. And this is a this, you know, basically you realize that because
they're not written down, they don't exist. And this goes back way further than just um uh the genocide. You know,
we had Julian Assange in Bel Marsh maximum security prison for 5 years. most of that as a Raman prisoner,
someone who who was just he he his conviction had been spent and he was being held on Raman. Um uh he was also
detained in Ecuadorian embassy uh unlawfully. That was according to the UN
for 7 years before that. And barely anyone battered an eyelid when he was in Belar and Bel and they they did things
that were just you'd expect from a a dictatorship, you know, they wouldn't let people in. he wasn't allowed uh even
visits from uh uh NOS's and people like that. So there's a long there's a long history that of that and I think it just
goes to to the point which is that power will protect itself from uh uh dissident
and people who are trying to reveal the truth about them. Now, when you're brought up in the UK and I guess the US
too, you're told, well, we have a a media and a a an NGO or sorry, a civil
society sector which guards our rights and protects us from the excesses of the
state. Uh that doesn't exist in the UK at all. Uh they we are the public realm
in the UK is complete lies completely undefended because the media don't cover these issues. So for example, I
mentioned Asa's case never being mentioned in the media. Barely anything about the Assange in Bel Marsh and the
contra the the corruption in his case was ever covered. The BBC right I don't
know if you guys remember um I can't remember how many it was like maybe four years ago there was an article in Yahoo
News uh which was based on testimony of 30 former uh senior US officials who had
worked under the in the first Trump administration. And this article was about how Pompeo had been asked by Trump
to draw sketches for assassinating or killing uh and or or kidnapping Assange
in London. And and that article also said that the British had agreed to do
the shooting if if needed to. Okay. So there you have a a foreign power um uh
uh scheming to assassinate a journalist in the heart of London because they
don't like his reporting. This is such an outrage. It's it's beyond comprehension. But that article was
barely it was covered by the Guardian. Uh the only part of the BBC in which it was ever mentioned was BBC Somali. So
the only way the only way you'd know about it if you read the BBC is if you can speak Somali. Uh and that's what
we're we we live with. We live in a there's a hyper reality that's created by the media. uh and the re the real
stuff the the real stuff that reveals how the system works is just completely excised from that media and from civil
society as well and that's largely because there's been operations by the state and the corporate sector to co-opt
uh the media and civil society as you might expect because they again they don't want any kind of resistance to
what they're doing. So that's that's the situation. And and just to go to your point about the UK's role in all this,
the UK is central to the whole imperial system. And this is something I didn't really understand properly until we
started declassified UK because I'd always focused on the United States. And we all know the United States is overwhelmingly the most powerful country
in the world. Um has its military dwarfs everything else. But and I always
thought UK was a bit part player, a bit pathetic, always just hung on the coattails of the US to uh to keep keep
itself relevant. But that you realize actually we are central to the whole thing and we provide us a range of
services to the Americans which are actually quite useful. One good example of this is the when they when the empire
was decommissioned after the second war or when we're told the empire was decommissioned, it wasn't actually. We
retained loads of what are called well 14 what are called British overseas territories. One of them is on Cyprus.
So Cypress got independence in the great sort of uh decolonial period when uh uh
in in 1960 it got made independent from Britain. But not many people know even here that 3% of Cyprus was retained by
the UK and it was turned into massive intelligence and uh military
installations. one called Acriteri and one called Dealia and those have been pretty much from the start also joint
bases with the Americans unofficially because it's they're not they don't want the criate government to know but Acriteri has a permanent uh uh unit from
the US Air Force station there. Dellia is run by the GCHQ which is the UK's
largest uh intelligence agency alongside the NSA and actually Edward Snowden's leak showed that the NSA pay half of the
upkeep for the Kellia. So and and and then in when when the genocide started, you saw it became the central uh in
international site for supplying and supporting the genocide in Gaza. So regular US Air Force military transport
flights were going, carrying weapons. Regular RAF uh cargo flights were going. Um there were they started spy flights
the the British from there which are still going to till today that spend 5 hours over Gaza collecting intelligence
which is relayed to the Israeli military in real time. So you really have and in
fact the genocide itself has really kind of taken the mask off how the empire operates because all the different nodes
that the US empire and its and its accomplice Britain has around the world have have revealed themselves cuz
they've been used because this isn't just an Israeli genocide. You know this is a I I would say principally a US UK
Israeli genocide. Obviously the Germans are involved as well but in terms of the active support the US and the UK are are
central. And then you have the city of London as well, which again we don't talk about enough on the left, but the
city of London is another way that Britain retained its imperial system
because the city of London is a very interesting uh uh institution because it's a private corporation, but it it
runs a whole part of London, i.e. it's a different jurisdiction to the national jurisdiction. Uh, in fact, it was when
during the Roman invasion 2,000 years ago, it sorry, during the Norman invasion a thousand years ago, it
was um it was it it was they were granted their own uh rights, which
they've had ever since. And they have their own police force. There's no democratic system there. Institutions
vote instead of uh uh people, and it's mostly banks. and they have this uh uh
web of uh tax havens around the world which are also British overseas territories like the Virgin Islands,
Bermuda and so much of uh the dirty money around the world uh and illicit
money which is used by the richest people in the world to avoid tax it goes through these overseas territories and
so much money is going through the city of London. So obviously when you have this whole apparatus based in the UK
which is central to the imperial system you want to guard against number one people messing with it in a in a
material way but also revealing the truth about it. And the reason I believe sorry I'm rattling on but the reason I
believe that they allow what they call the free press is because it doesn't do its job. So they get to use it as a soft
power technique. You know they go around the world saying we support democracy and freedom. Look at our press. People can say what they want, but they it
would they allow it because it never impinges on their ability to uh project power or to use their power. As soon as
you have a journalist who actually takes their job seriously and really reveals the mechanics of how the whole operation
works like Julian Assange, they stick him in prison and no one even bats an eyelid. And that's what you realize that
all these rights that we're told we have, they evaporate as soon as you start taking them too seriously. Um, and
we're finding that out in a very real way because on top of everything, on top of the British establishment asserting its control, we've got a hugely powerful
Israel lobby, uh, which, uh, which has its claws in deep into our political
system, maybe the most of any foreign power after the United States. Um, and
it's uh it's it's a scary thing to see, but again, people that there's a there's
a there's a there's a confidence and a bravery that I've not seen amongst
people before because I think watching what we all have watched for the last
two years has made people just not care as much as they used to about their own
safety uh in the context and and and you're seeing that with Palestine action. It's absolutely amazing what
people are doing and I feel bad that I haven't done it but you people are going out even though they know that it's
they're a prescribed organization and you up to 14 years in prison for saying you support them and they're they're
sitting with placards saying I oppose genocide I support Palestine action and getting arrested on mass. Just yesterday
66 people were arrested outside the Labour Party conference for that. Um and they're making it unworkable. Uh which
is an amazing thing. You know the people are winning in that extent. they're making this uh draconian policy
unworkable. So yeah, that's that's my take on that. Yeah. No, great points. Um great points,
Matt. Well, uh let's move to uh a a kind of a different example of this uh
growing desperation and attempts to uh protect uh the Israeli regime on the
part of the United States and the United Kingdom. But this particular example is with Tik Tok. You know, Benjamin
Netanyahu Oh, actually, this is the wrong clip. You know, Benjamin Netanyahu has been incredibly desperate looking of
late. We had the UN dem debacle where he essentially spoke to an empty room uh
during the UN General Assembly. And then after this, he was caught talking to
social media influencers, particularly Tik Tockers, on uh Israel's essential
plan to uh take over uh this uh media outlet for its benefit. I just want to
play a bit of this and then we can start with you, Patrick.
Influencers, you said you talked about the woke right. You said I call it the woke
right. That's a brilliant the walk right because these people you
know they're not any different from the left they're insane but they're actually made on some of the
things and what we have to do is we have to secure that part of our the base of our support in the United States that is
being challenged systematically a lot of this is done with money money of NOS's
fast money of governments faster okay we have to fight back how do we fight back
to our influences I think you also brought to them if you have a chance to that that community. They're very
important. And secondly, we're going to have to use the tools of battle. You know, the the weapons change over time. You can't
fight today with the swords. That doesn't work very well. Okay? And you can't fight with the fight with cavalry. That doesn't work very well. And you
have these new things, you know, like drones, things like that. I won't get into that. But we have to fight with the weapons that apply to the battlefield to
engage. And the most important ones are social media. The most important purchase that is going on right now is
class. Tik Tok. Tik Tok. Number one. Number one.
And I hope it goes through because it's can be consequential. And the other one, what's the other one that's most important?
X. Very good. So there you go. Uh Patrick, this whole
sale of Tik Tok is uh for Israel a hugely important uh component of it
waging a more effective war because what essentially Netanya was also seing there is he says we fighting with the sword
isn't very effective uh to the we've seen you know hundreds of thousands of Palestinians be killed by uh essentially
Israel and UK US and UK backed sword uh but it's not effective. what's needed is
Tik Tok and social media and the rest to be taken over. Uh what's your reaction to this? How do you see this in light of
this kind of growing desperation that we see on the part of Israel uh given uh
its growing isolation in the world? Oh, uh your mic is I don't know. You're
not muted, but Oh, sorry. Go. Um you got me now. Yeah. Yep. Got you. So Netanyahu's made a stunning a
stunning self-indictment as usual. uh without meaning to. Uh but uh the the
the whole concept of um the takeover of Tik Tok was based on a false premise
that the Chinese were stealing the data of, you know, uh American teenagers who
were doing like dance acts on Tik Tok and hot takes and whatnot, viral videos,
totally fake that was engineered to get us under Joe Biden's administration. It began and continued under Trump. So you
can see the bipartisan uh uh the bipartisan US Congress and Senate working on behalf of Israel. So
it was totally disingenuous. There was no Chinese threat on Tik Tok. And what you have now you can see the endgame of
it. And so it is Israel's uh soft power has tanked basically. And it's not it's
not only tanked uh in the west but it's also tanking among even the Jewish diaspora or the international uh Jewish
community. Uh they can no longer rely on the promise that Israel is the safest
place on the planet for Jews to have a homeland etc. And a lot of that can be
held at the feet of Benjamin Netanyahu. The the other thing that I think is uh interesting is how he appropriated the
term woke right. woke right. And where that term originated from is interesting
in the aftermath of October 7th and you had Ben Shapiro and other sort of
Zionist uh mouthpieces uh flooding social media warning of uh all sorts of
you know day of rage uh Islamic sleeper cells are going to rise up and so forth. Even Charlie Kirk himself was
trafficking in those same uh that that same sort of hysteria uh in the United
States. And people were pointing out that if if if you define wokeness or as
as the right does they define wokeness as the kind of rabid uh outofcrol identity politics, well there is no
higher form of identity politics than Zionism. uh this has to be the top level
of the conception of identity politics. Uh for an ethnostate or religious state
exclusive religious state running in apartheid system that can only be described as identity politics writ
large. So that's where the term originally woke right came from was to describe people like Ben Shapiro and
then the Fox News crowd, the uh the the all the Jordan Peterson crowd, the Daily
Ride crowd then re repurposed it, reappropriated it to point at people on
the right that were opposing Israel's genocide. You see, so it was a bit of a slight of hand. And you can see
Netanyahu is is attempting to do this two years on, which is quite pathetic,
actually. And the real the the real irony of course of that is that uh identity politics is the thing uh this
is the most weaponized form of identity politics in human history is Zionism the
Zionist ideology and they're using it as a weapon in order to try to justify one
of the worst crimes against humanity of not just the modern era but I will say poss one of the one of the worst of all
time certainly in living memory. So I think the the irony of that is quite amazing. I mean you could go on and on
but the bottom line is and Nefali Bennett former Israeli prime minister said it the best. He was decrying the
fact that they had blown 120 or 150 million trying to buy influence across
social media platforms post October 7th and we're being outnumbered by pro
Palestinian posts 16 to1. 16 to1. And I'll tell you, Palestine didn't spend
any money to get that margin of victory uh in terms of hearts and minds uh
across social media. Yeah.
George Galloway DESTROYS Starmer as Trump CAVES to Israel | Larry Johnson & Patrick Henningsen
by Danny Haiphong
Streamed live on Sep 29, 2025 #starmer #israel #trump
The desperation of the US & UK backed Israeli regime has reached crisis levels as George Galloway's detainment and the rejection of Netanyahu worldwide signals the walls are closing in. This mega panel of analysts and journalists from the UK and US will break down what the crisis facing the empire really means as Israel's demise hastens.
JOINING: Patrick Henningsen, Larry C. Johnson and Matt Kennard
Transcript
Welcome back to the show. It's your host Danny Haiphong. Please do hit the like button. That helps boost this show in
YouTube's algorithm. And we have a big one today. As Israel's genocidal war on
Palestine and the region continues unabated, its isolation grows and the US
and the UK have doubled down on their support for Netanyahu and the Israeli regime. And they've set their sights on
domestic opposition. In the Labor Prime Minister uh UK Kier Starmer's
government, we saw a friend of the show George Galloway, host of Moes and former British MP be detained at Gatwick
airport under the terrorism act for a total of nine hours between he and his
wife. And one of the questions asked by the heavily armed police was what were
their views on Gaza and why did they have them? Now Netanyahu himself is talking about using Tik Tok as a weapon
of war following the Trump sale of that uh uh social media outlet. And uh even
as the European leaders and Donald Trump himself are talking about peace, no one
believes them. So one has to ask what explains this desperation? What explains
this crackdown? What does it mean in the wider view of both geopolitics and the world situation? to do all of this, to
talk about all of this. I have very special guests. First time on the show, I'm going to introduce Matt Canard. He
is an investigative journalist and author. He has done incredible work and
author of many books and articles, especially on the UK's role in the Gaza
genocide. Matt, good to see you. Great to be with you. Thanks for joining. Thanks for having me. It's good to be
here. Of course. Then we have Patrick Henningston. He is the co-founder of 21st Century Wire. He also has his own
Substack as well, journalist and a commentator. Patrick, good to see you.
Great to be with you, Danny. And then we have former CIA analyst and geopolitical commentator Larry Johnson.
Good to see you today, Larry. I'm here. Thanks. All right. Yes. Well, Matt, I wanted to
start with you. You know, we have a situation where uh George Galloway, a British MP for many many many many
years, actually sat in the rooms where the terrorism act was discussed. He was
detained at the airport. He joins uh many who have been harassed under the
terrorism act. people like Asa Win Stanley who's a friend of this show of electronic and Richard Medhhurst another
friend of this show uh and British journalist Syrian British journalist uh and Kit Clarenburg and so many others uh
this was um George's words himself about what exactly happened in the airport and
I will just play that really quickly and then get your commentary. Here we go.
M airport in England but it is not the
reason that they stated. We were questioned myself for around 4
hours datri for around 5 hours and then
released without charge. For what charge could there possibly have been? How
could we, me and Guyatri have anything to do with terrorism? How? Well, we
certainly were not enlightened during the collective nine hours of
questioning. Not a single effort was made to show cause for having detained
me and her with armed officers in public
in an English airport. Not a single question. And they ranged far and wide
right down to Gatri's famous fingernail painted in the Palestinian colors. Why?
Why is your fingernail painted in the Palestinian colors? What's your attitude
to the conflict in Gaza? Who persuaded you of this point of view? Why do you
admire Mr. Lavough? Why are you so friendly to China? A country with which
Britain maintains absolute and full diplomatic relations and every big
company in the United Kingdom is doing business with China and we're not they
would dearly love to be. What does that have to do with terrorism? What are my views on Xi Jinping have to do with
terrorism? What are my views on Lavough have to do with terrorism?
So Matt, uh, you know, you're no stranger to both UK
politics, its complicity in the genocide in Gaza, as well as this terrorism act. So what are your impressions of this?
How do you see this in the bigger picture of what's going on uh both in the region, West Asia, visav Israel, and
uh the rest of the world? Yeah. Well, uh firstly uh the the detention of Galloway and his wife is a
massive escalation because um up till now you haven't had prominent
politicians uh being detained uh under terrorism act at airports. So I mean
Galloway is one of the most prominent figures over the last 25 years in British politics. You know he was a MP
i.e. an elected representative of British parliament for 16 years. He was one of the leading voices uh against the
war in Iraq, leading voices for Palestine for many decades and also testified quite famously in in US
Congress about the war in Iraq. Um so to detain him uh is quite is quite a reach.
But again it comes uh uh at a time when we're literally seeing our rights being
stripped away piece by piece and it's all being done using the terrorism act. So this is an act which was passed in
2000 when Tony Blair was a was the prime minister. Um and it is a hugely
repressive and authoritarian piece of legislation and it allows the police effectively to do what they want. uh
especially at airports but even outside of airports. You mentioned Asa Win Stanley in your introduction and in
October 2024 uh this again was unprecedented. His house was raided by uh police uh in a
dawn raid. They took all his uh journalistic devices and he wasn't arrested or charged with anything. Now,
up to that point, I didn't even think the police could do that in England, but apparently they can break into your house and take in all your take all your
stuff and not even charge you or um uh or arrest you. So, we're in a very uh
sticky situation. The the other thing is that we don't have a media which uh covers this stuff. Uh you would have
thought if any any any media worth its salt or actually taking its job seriously that the Asa Win Stanley raid
would have been all over the press, i.e. on the front pages. This is this is something that is seriously scary for
for especially for journalists but for everyone and it's never been written about in the mainstream media ever. Uh
even after he won a case against the police that what they did was unlawful. So I I think and as you say it does fit
into a wider context and it's all being done effectively at the behest of Israel. Um, and the Israel lobby in this
country is extremely powerful and they're obvious I think they're they're targeting people who have become
problematic for them. And ASA has been leading on the work on the Israel lobby in this country for for the last 10
years really. And I'm sure I don't have any evidence for this, but I don't think it's too much of a reach to say that
they probably were involved in uh that that the police doing that raid. You also have recently the Palestine action
prescription which again is involves the terrorism act and prescription is again a hugely authoritarian uh uh move uh uh
even even within the context of actual terrorist groups because it means that you can't you don't have free speech.
It's an attack on free speech completely. Uh so before they prescribed Hamas uh in the early 2000s and
Hezbollah the political wing was prescribed in 2019 at the behest of the Israel lobby that that's all recorded
and the important part of that section under the terrorism act that uh prescription one is that it makes
membership of that organization illegal but I actually don't think that's the most important part of it. The most
important part of it is that it it stops being able to voice support for that organization if an organization is
prescribed. And you're seeing over well over a thousand people arrested in the
UK just for saying now I support Palestine action. Uh and that is why I think they prescribed uh Palestine
action. I don't actually think what they do is is in terms of trespassing and and
doing damage to weapons of war is is illegal. Uh they don't need any more
tools to go after those people. And actually there were there were many more people there were many people in prison before the prescription. what that
prescription was about was about dampening down on the on speech of
British people because I think and I'll finish with this. I think Israel sees what's happened in the UK as as a real
loss over the past two years, maybe more than anywhere else in the in Europe and and uh in the West because we've had
consistently the largest demonstrations against the genocide. We've had Palestine Action was founded in the UK
and it's the most effective organization for really uh uh uh damaging the Israeli
war machine. And I think that they they have now gone uh using using the tools
of repression and using the law to to try and discipline a population they've lost control of effectively. They
haven't got control of the narrative anymore. you know, even though they've got largely got the mainstream media on their side, obviously the government is
is pumping out all the usual propaganda, uh, but the people aren't buying it anymore. So, I think that what you're
seeing is a a real uh erosion of our liberties and our rights on on behalf of
of this tiny little country uh in West Asia. And obviously, it's also happening in the United States. Unprecedented
things are happening in the United States. Like for example, one really shocking thing and I know I shouldn't be shocked by this because it's become
normalized now, but that Turkish student who was grabbed off the street by ICE officers for writing this article in a
student newspaper that was critical of Israel and it wasn't even an extreme article. It was a super moderate article. I thought, wow, that is that is
that is a a really scary thing to see. And then you're also seeing Trump the other day muting the idea that um the
federal government will withdraw um uh uh disaster relief funding to any state
which votes to boycott Israel. Again, in insane scenario that you have that degree of control. This is a degree of
control you can say things about your own government, criticize them in a way that you can't criticize Israel. So it's
it's a it's a wider crackdown. But I think that that's the and I think it will get worse in the short term, but I
think it is also a sign of uh success in in in terms of the the the resistance to
Zionism and the resistance to uh the genocide because it has been effective in completely transforming the
consciousness of people around the world and and that's why we got to carry on and effectively the risk that we're
taking and obviously it wasn't nice what happened to George Galloway. It wasn't nice what happened to ASA. But compared to what they're doing in Gaza and also
in the West Bank, but especially in Gaza to the journalists, you know, they literally just massacre journalists all
the time and their families. So, we have to use the tools we have uh and we have to take the risk that maybe we wouldn't
have in a different time because if we stop using our rights or we stop seeing these as rights that we possess, then
they will just wither and die. Yeah, great points, Matt. And uh to that, Patrick, I'll turn to you. Here's
the reporting uh that was happening during the detainment of George Galloway. George Galloway claims police
detained him for nine hours. This is the kind of stuff coming out of British media. Of course, it's not much better in the United States, as you know,
Patrick. Uh but what are your comments on on this situation and where it fits
in the overall geopolitical and world situation? I think I think Matt outlined
uh the the really important salient points on this issue. Um I can just reiterate that and maybe underline it a
little bit by saying that uh you know the the term terrorism the way it's being bandied about now how arbitrarily
it's being bandied about. It's it's been watered down to such a degree it doesn't really mean anything anymore. Hence, it
can be applied to just about uh anything uh anything that exposes state crimes,
exposes state hypocrisy, exposes policy. And you need to pay attention to how the
wording around these issues are being applied. And increasingly in recent years, we'll say, well, it's a threat to
national security. Uh we're we're detaining you because of the terrorism act, but also on the grounds that you
might be a threat to national security. then it becomes national interests. So
you go all the way from you know how do you define national interests or anything that basically makes the
government uh look bad uh anything that challenges government policy that's uh
can be deemed under you know threatening national interest. This is what Marco Rubio the type of language he was applying to uh the student protesters uh
on US campuses uh who are protesting the genocide uh in Gaza. So this it's a it's
it's a real uh uh sort of evolution in uh how the language is being applied by
the state. And the bottom line on all of this is uh and I think we need to go back to the original point which also uh
outline which is the real point is by procribing the political wing the
political wing of Hamas or the political wing of Hezbollah. Hezbollah holds a
large number of seats in the Lebanese parliament. Okay. and has done for a long time. So to quote, you know, label
them as a terrorist group at the behest of the Israeli lobby. I'm talking about the United States, Britain, uh you know,
France didn't prescribe the the funny enough the political wing of Hezbollah, I think only until recently, but years
before they didn't, the European Union, Germany, and etc. some European countries. And so this means that
there's no way that you can have any kind of a political conversation around foreign policy. So th this is to me a
huge con and the the real con is and the real danger is these these these moves
these unilateral moves by a specific set of governments i.e. allies of Israel
that the real target is international law. The real target is international
law because by uh by by attacking the political wing that means you can justify wiping out an entire parliament
like the Israelis tried to do largely successfully recently with Yemen under
the guise that these are terrorists that this country are are full of terrorists and that the population of Gaza are all
terrorists or terrorist sympathizers. Therefore, you basically get cart blanch
to do whatever you want. And the the results can be absolutely horrific,
barbaric, and uh apocalyptic as we've seen over the last two years. So, it's
not just words. These aren't just words we're dealing with here. It's the concept behind them and how governments
are wielding and using them. That's really, I think, a a huge threat to international law, international order,
and and civility ciagnization
uh on the whole. I think that's what's really hanging in the balance right now.
Larry, you know, you you're you're a former CIA analyst and you know, you're also a friend of George Galloway and his
show. Yeah. How how do you see this uh attack in in the sense of uh you know Matt brought up a
kind of desperation? It definitely appears very desperate that uh the UK authorities and of course the entirety
of the UK establishment are are now going after George Galloway as a voice of resistance. That kind of speaks to
the entire situation that both Patrick and Matt laid out. What is your reaction to this?
Well, it's one thing to go after George. I mean he's he's an outspoken and articulate fellow but to go after
Guyatri his wife you know I was I was with him both in uh in Moscow I guess it
was in June and this is just absolutely outrageous for them to get treated this
way. But look it boils down to you know two things. Uh, if you want to go out
and protest, criticize, condemn, vilify China, you get a pat on the ass. Hey,
the same with Cuba. Demonize them in the West. Good on you.
It's only if you're dealing with the Zionists in Israel and uh their their click their moneyed
click which hangs on in both the Christian communities in the United States and in Europe uh or the Russians
if you express any uh counter to that narrative. I mean it's so it it's it's a
very narrow but specific attack on trying to contain
uh to defeat a particular narrative while protecting and enhancing a narrative that's literally falling apart
at the seams. So this is uh it's alarming but uh you know we've seen this
uh this tendency uh the ability of the public to be so easily manipulated
you know as an example uh we're told that Hamas we're always told it's a it's a terrorist organization
really how many actual terrorist acts have they carried out I looked into that
I tried to count them up so over a 25 year period from August 2000 through the
data set I had went through April of 2024. Mind you, the data set came from
the Israeli Foreign Ministry. So, it's not like it was a Larry Johnson created product.
uh only 105 attacks and I'm putting those in quotation marks because a lot of it were
what you'd call retaliatory strikes, vendettas,
the kind of violence we saw here in America when the Hatfield McCoys were shooting at one another.
Compare that with Hayat al-Shem which in 2018 2019
were listed in the top 10 of worldwide terrorist groups.
So in other words in just one year Hayat Tar al-Se had more terrorist attacks
than Hamas did in 25 years. And yet, who's embracing the leader, Yao
Jalani, the leader of Hayatar Asheam, now called Alshara, dressed up in his
nifty Brooks Brothers outfit, uh, trimmed beard, trimmed hair. Oh, that's
us. That's the Brits. So, the hypocrisy on this stinks. But
it's uh, you know, it's become the the modus operandi of modern day.
Yeah. And Matt, maybe you can bring us home here on on this particular issue. You know, I know that you've been the
author of many books. Uh I know you have another book forthcoming, Rogue Reporter versus the American Empire. You also
wrote Silent Coup. Could could you talk about uh you know you've done a lot of investigations on kind of the corporate
side here and you've also uh really uh have dived deep into kind of the ways in
which the UK is is really operating uh for Israel and doing everything it can
to forward Israel's interest in the region. Why is this? What are some of the bigger root causes for why someone
like George Galloway as well as the other journalists now and and there's and activists as well uh these
particular targeted groups uh they're coming under heavy fire from the UK
government itself. Uh what are some of the root causes of this from your investigations?
Oh sorry you were muted. Here you go. Okay. One causes uh it's not from my investigations but it's just the
structural factor is we don't have a constitution in this country. So, we don't have our rights protected in the same way you do in the states. Um, we
have what's called an unwritten constitution, but it's it's complicated and based on norms, and it's very very
easy to bend. And this is a this, you know, basically you realize that because
they're not written down, they don't exist. And this goes back way further than just um uh the genocide. You know,
we had Julian Assange in Bel Marsh maximum security prison for 5 years. most of that as a Raman prisoner,
someone who who was just he he his conviction had been spent and he was being held on Raman. Um uh he was also
detained in Ecuadorian embassy uh unlawfully. That was according to the UN
for 7 years before that. And barely anyone battered an eyelid when he was in Belar and Bel and they they did things
that were just you'd expect from a a dictatorship, you know, they wouldn't let people in. he wasn't allowed uh even
visits from uh uh NOS's and people like that. So there's a long there's a long history that of that and I think it just
goes to to the point which is that power will protect itself from uh uh dissident
and people who are trying to reveal the truth about them. Now, when you're brought up in the UK and I guess the US
too, you're told, well, we have a a media and a a an NGO or sorry, a civil
society sector which guards our rights and protects us from the excesses of the
state. Uh that doesn't exist in the UK at all. Uh they we are the public realm
in the UK is complete lies completely undefended because the media don't cover these issues. So for example, I
mentioned Asa's case never being mentioned in the media. Barely anything about the Assange in Bel Marsh and the
contra the the corruption in his case was ever covered. The BBC right I don't
know if you guys remember um I can't remember how many it was like maybe four years ago there was an article in Yahoo
News uh which was based on testimony of 30 former uh senior US officials who had
worked under the in the first Trump administration. And this article was about how Pompeo had been asked by Trump
to draw sketches for assassinating or killing uh and or or kidnapping Assange
in London. And and that article also said that the British had agreed to do
the shooting if if needed to. Okay. So there you have a a foreign power um uh
uh scheming to assassinate a journalist in the heart of London because they
don't like his reporting. This is such an outrage. It's it's beyond comprehension. But that article was
barely it was covered by the Guardian. Uh the only part of the BBC in which it was ever mentioned was BBC Somali. So
the only way the only way you'd know about it if you read the BBC is if you can speak Somali. Uh and that's what
we're we we live with. We live in a there's a hyper reality that's created by the media. uh and the re the real
stuff the the real stuff that reveals how the system works is just completely excised from that media and from civil
society as well and that's largely because there's been operations by the state and the corporate sector to co-opt
uh the media and civil society as you might expect because they again they don't want any kind of resistance to
what they're doing. So that's that's the situation. And and just to go to your point about the UK's role in all this,
the UK is central to the whole imperial system. And this is something I didn't really understand properly until we
started declassified UK because I'd always focused on the United States. And we all know the United States is overwhelmingly the most powerful country
in the world. Um has its military dwarfs everything else. But and I always
thought UK was a bit part player, a bit pathetic, always just hung on the coattails of the US to uh to keep keep
itself relevant. But that you realize actually we are central to the whole thing and we provide us a range of
services to the Americans which are actually quite useful. One good example of this is the when they when the empire
was decommissioned after the second war or when we're told the empire was decommissioned, it wasn't actually. We
retained loads of what are called well 14 what are called British overseas territories. One of them is on Cyprus.
So Cypress got independence in the great sort of uh decolonial period when uh uh
in in 1960 it got made independent from Britain. But not many people know even here that 3% of Cyprus was retained by
the UK and it was turned into massive intelligence and uh military
installations. one called Acriteri and one called Dealia and those have been pretty much from the start also joint
bases with the Americans unofficially because it's they're not they don't want the criate government to know but Acriteri has a permanent uh uh unit from
the US Air Force station there. Dellia is run by the GCHQ which is the UK's
largest uh intelligence agency alongside the NSA and actually Edward Snowden's leak showed that the NSA pay half of the
upkeep for the Kellia. So and and and then in when when the genocide started, you saw it became the central uh in
international site for supplying and supporting the genocide in Gaza. So regular US Air Force military transport
flights were going, carrying weapons. Regular RAF uh cargo flights were going. Um there were they started spy flights
the the British from there which are still going to till today that spend 5 hours over Gaza collecting intelligence
which is relayed to the Israeli military in real time. So you really have and in
fact the genocide itself has really kind of taken the mask off how the empire operates because all the different nodes
that the US empire and its and its accomplice Britain has around the world have have revealed themselves cuz
they've been used because this isn't just an Israeli genocide. You know this is a I I would say principally a US UK
Israeli genocide. Obviously the Germans are involved as well but in terms of the active support the US and the UK are are
central. And then you have the city of London as well, which again we don't talk about enough on the left, but the
city of London is another way that Britain retained its imperial system
because the city of London is a very interesting uh uh institution because it's a private corporation, but it it
runs a whole part of London, i.e. it's a different jurisdiction to the national jurisdiction. Uh, in fact, it was when
during the Roman invasion 2,000 years ago, it sorry, during the Norman invasion a thousand years ago, it
was um it was it it was they were granted their own uh rights, which
they've had ever since. And they have their own police force. There's no democratic system there. Institutions
vote instead of uh uh people, and it's mostly banks. and they have this uh uh
web of uh tax havens around the world which are also British overseas territories like the Virgin Islands,
Bermuda and so much of uh the dirty money around the world uh and illicit
money which is used by the richest people in the world to avoid tax it goes through these overseas territories and
so much money is going through the city of London. So obviously when you have this whole apparatus based in the UK
which is central to the imperial system you want to guard against number one people messing with it in a in a
material way but also revealing the truth about it. And the reason I believe sorry I'm rattling on but the reason I
believe that they allow what they call the free press is because it doesn't do its job. So they get to use it as a soft
power technique. You know they go around the world saying we support democracy and freedom. Look at our press. People can say what they want, but they it
would they allow it because it never impinges on their ability to uh project power or to use their power. As soon as
you have a journalist who actually takes their job seriously and really reveals the mechanics of how the whole operation
works like Julian Assange, they stick him in prison and no one even bats an eyelid. And that's what you realize that
all these rights that we're told we have, they evaporate as soon as you start taking them too seriously. Um, and
we're finding that out in a very real way because on top of everything, on top of the British establishment asserting its control, we've got a hugely powerful
Israel lobby, uh, which, uh, which has its claws in deep into our political
system, maybe the most of any foreign power after the United States. Um, and
it's uh it's it's a scary thing to see, but again, people that there's a there's
a there's a there's a confidence and a bravery that I've not seen amongst
people before because I think watching what we all have watched for the last
two years has made people just not care as much as they used to about their own
safety uh in the context and and and you're seeing that with Palestine action. It's absolutely amazing what
people are doing and I feel bad that I haven't done it but you people are going out even though they know that it's
they're a prescribed organization and you up to 14 years in prison for saying you support them and they're they're
sitting with placards saying I oppose genocide I support Palestine action and getting arrested on mass. Just yesterday
66 people were arrested outside the Labour Party conference for that. Um and they're making it unworkable. Uh which
is an amazing thing. You know the people are winning in that extent. they're making this uh draconian policy
unworkable. So yeah, that's that's my take on that. Yeah. No, great points. Um great points,
Matt. Well, uh let's move to uh a a kind of a different example of this uh
growing desperation and attempts to uh protect uh the Israeli regime on the
part of the United States and the United Kingdom. But this particular example is with Tik Tok. You know, Benjamin
Netanyahu Oh, actually, this is the wrong clip. You know, Benjamin Netanyahu has been incredibly desperate looking of
late. We had the UN dem debacle where he essentially spoke to an empty room uh
during the UN General Assembly. And then after this, he was caught talking to
social media influencers, particularly Tik Tockers, on uh Israel's essential
plan to uh take over uh this uh media outlet for its benefit. I just want to
play a bit of this and then we can start with you, Patrick.
Influencers, you said you talked about the woke right. You said I call it the woke
right. That's a brilliant the walk right because these people you
know they're not any different from the left they're insane but they're actually made on some of the
things and what we have to do is we have to secure that part of our the base of our support in the United States that is
being challenged systematically a lot of this is done with money money of NOS's
fast money of governments faster okay we have to fight back how do we fight back
to our influences I think you also brought to them if you have a chance to that that community. They're very
important. And secondly, we're going to have to use the tools of battle. You know, the the weapons change over time. You can't
fight today with the swords. That doesn't work very well. Okay? And you can't fight with the fight with cavalry. That doesn't work very well. And you
have these new things, you know, like drones, things like that. I won't get into that. But we have to fight with the weapons that apply to the battlefield to
engage. And the most important ones are social media. The most important purchase that is going on right now is
class. Tik Tok. Tik Tok. Number one. Number one.
And I hope it goes through because it's can be consequential. And the other one, what's the other one that's most important?
X. Very good. So there you go. Uh Patrick, this whole
sale of Tik Tok is uh for Israel a hugely important uh component of it
waging a more effective war because what essentially Netanya was also seing there is he says we fighting with the sword
isn't very effective uh to the we've seen you know hundreds of thousands of Palestinians be killed by uh essentially
Israel and UK US and UK backed sword uh but it's not effective. what's needed is
Tik Tok and social media and the rest to be taken over. Uh what's your reaction to this? How do you see this in light of
this kind of growing desperation that we see on the part of Israel uh given uh
its growing isolation in the world? Oh, uh your mic is I don't know. You're
not muted, but Oh, sorry. Go. Um you got me now. Yeah. Yep. Got you. So Netanyahu's made a stunning a
stunning self-indictment as usual. uh without meaning to. Uh but uh the the
the whole concept of um the takeover of Tik Tok was based on a false premise
that the Chinese were stealing the data of, you know, uh American teenagers who
were doing like dance acts on Tik Tok and hot takes and whatnot, viral videos,
totally fake that was engineered to get us under Joe Biden's administration. It began and continued under Trump. So you
can see the bipartisan uh uh the bipartisan US Congress and Senate working on behalf of Israel. So
it was totally disingenuous. There was no Chinese threat on Tik Tok. And what you have now you can see the endgame of
it. And so it is Israel's uh soft power has tanked basically. And it's not it's
not only tanked uh in the west but it's also tanking among even the Jewish diaspora or the international uh Jewish
community. Uh they can no longer rely on the promise that Israel is the safest
place on the planet for Jews to have a homeland etc. And a lot of that can be
held at the feet of Benjamin Netanyahu. The the other thing that I think is uh interesting is how he appropriated the
term woke right. woke right. And where that term originated from is interesting
in the aftermath of October 7th and you had Ben Shapiro and other sort of
Zionist uh mouthpieces uh flooding social media warning of uh all sorts of
you know day of rage uh Islamic sleeper cells are going to rise up and so forth. Even Charlie Kirk himself was
trafficking in those same uh that that same sort of hysteria uh in the United
States. And people were pointing out that if if if you define wokeness or as
as the right does they define wokeness as the kind of rabid uh outofcrol identity politics, well there is no
higher form of identity politics than Zionism. uh this has to be the top level
of the conception of identity politics. Uh for an ethnostate or religious state
exclusive religious state running in apartheid system that can only be described as identity politics writ
large. So that's where the term originally woke right came from was to describe people like Ben Shapiro and
then the Fox News crowd, the uh the the all the Jordan Peterson crowd, the Daily
Ride crowd then re repurposed it, reappropriated it to point at people on
the right that were opposing Israel's genocide. You see, so it was a bit of a slight of hand. And you can see
Netanyahu is is attempting to do this two years on, which is quite pathetic,
actually. And the real the the real irony of course of that is that uh identity politics is the thing uh this
is the most weaponized form of identity politics in human history is Zionism the
Zionist ideology and they're using it as a weapon in order to try to justify one
of the worst crimes against humanity of not just the modern era but I will say poss one of the one of the worst of all
time certainly in living memory. So I think the the irony of that is quite amazing. I mean you could go on and on
but the bottom line is and Nefali Bennett former Israeli prime minister said it the best. He was decrying the
fact that they had blown 120 or 150 million trying to buy influence across
social media platforms post October 7th and we're being outnumbered by pro
Palestinian posts 16 to1. 16 to1. And I'll tell you, Palestine didn't spend
any money to get that margin of victory uh in terms of hearts and minds uh
across social media. Yeah.
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You know, uh, Larry, the crisis of
legitimacy in particular for Israel in the United States specifically is is getting, uh, quite bad to the point
where you have 60% of Generation Z Americans saying that they are in far
more in favor of Hamas than they are of Israel. And I think that this has
something to do with why Netanyahu sees the sale of Tik Tok so as such an
important weapon for itself in this time. What's your take on this, Larry?
Sorry, you're muted. I can't There we go. It goes to the broader change and revolution
um with respect to media narrative control. You know, I spent a brief stent
during my time at CIA working on what they call covert action. How you u put
plant stories to try to further a narrative. In this case, I was working
in support of the uh to counter the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
And you know, with something like that, it was easy to portray the Soviets as the bad guys and us as the good guys,
even though that wasn't really the truth. But, you know, the narrative worked. Um, you know, the three of you
are really uh too young to remember uh the Exodus influence. Um, and the movie
Exodus with Paul Newman came out 196061, but it was it was around a lot on
television during that period. And it it pushed this entire David versus Goliath narrative in support of the Zionists
that they were these good, humble, just, you know, wanting to plant olive trees
and feed the bird kind of people and these nasty Arabs are running around
raping and killing Karen, the blonde Norwegian girl. So, you know, and that
that uh you know, when you're uh 10, 11, 12 years old getting fed that propaganda, it's you know, it has some
influence. Um the media was much much easier to control back then. Uh I just
used these statistics earlier with Judge Knap. Uh in 1968
there were a total of 54 million people that watched the three largest news
broadcast stations in in in the US CBS, ABC, NBC.
Of those three, CBS with Walter Kronite accounted for 28 million people.
uh in August of 2016, those three stations
plus Fox News, CNN, MSNBC combined had
an audience of 27 million even though the United States population from 1968
to 2016 had increased by about 140 million people. So we had far more
people far fewer watching. So that's why this whole social media space uh
particular on the internet and you know with Facebook with Tik Tok uh with uh
Twitterx that has you know it has created new
challenges for the government to try to control it and fortunately as was the
case during you know the Soviet Union when they had imposed a lot of restrictions upon what could be printed
what could be published what could be aired. Uh at that time a a subculture
called samisdat grew up in which surreptitiously
articles that would went against the the the main narrative the popular narrative were circulating. And so in spite of
government efforts to try to control shape uh and dictate what the narrative would be there was still just like you
know water seeking a way through solid rock. it finds a way. And so that's what
we're living with today. We're seeing desperate efforts of the governments in the United States, in Europe, and in
Israel to try to control the narrative. But shows like yours, like you know what
Patrick does, Judge Npalitano, Nema, the Duran, you know, you go down the list of
and and things you may even disagree with, but there's so much out there, it actually makes it almost impossible for
the government to control it. And that that's the bright side or the silver lining to this dark cloud.
Yeah. and and and Matt, I'm curious on what you think about uh where this falls
into why Israel is so um desperate to latch on to uh the information war with
regard to the sale of Tik Tok and social media in general X because here you have in Israeli media with European leaders
bowing to fringe groups, Israel must prepare uh written by actually university southern worlds UK research
fellow for the Israel Center for Grand Strategy. in the UK. Uh this shift uh Matt in
Europe in particular is not just Europe as I showed earlier. It's with younger Americans. The vast majority of people
in the United States also are incredibly opposed to what Israel is doing and see
the United States as a a big backer of this. It's it's very it's clear as day.
Where does all this fit into this uh overall uh refocus or or double down
focus on the part of Israel on information warfare?
H sorry I can't you uh well their brand is is now tainted
and uh I would say destroyed and you know uh Zionism is uh from the start has
been all about uh lobbying um gr great power to to get what it
wants. It obviously it the whole nightmare began in London with the bow for declaration in 1917 when the the
British government promised Palestine to uh the Zionist movement. And that was
that was a very kind that that they were shoehorned into that effectively by people like Chain Wiseman and they saw
what they they were successful in what they did but they saw that they needed to get the great powers on their side.
At that time, Britain was the most powerful country in the world if they wanted to get what they want. And they
know that the whole of their existence relies on the population, particularly
in the United States, but also in Europe, being on their side and supporting their government, supporting
them. And actually, I think that that has the biggest rupture with that
strategy ever has is is now in place. And I I believe it's never going to go back because the other thing is Zionism
has also always tried to market itself well it markets itself different to different sectors but it often markets
itself as this progressive force you know it's like a it's often linked to the history of persecution of the Jewish
people. It's linked to um uh uh uh progressive ideals like socialism and
stuff or lobby groups try and do that. But uh if you look at what Zionism is as
an ideology and as an idea, it's a deeply regressive supremacist settler colonial ideology. It's not it's not got
anything to do with progressive ideals or progressive sensibilities. And that whole fantasy and mythology, even the
term liberal Zionism, which is an oxymoron, which and used a lot, it it's unsustainable now and it's never going
back. So that's why and actually I think Netanyahu is going to find that out because I I actually think he's sincere
when he says that he thinks that Tik Tok getting hold of Tik Tok uh through Larry
Ellison will change the will will be consequential and get the population back on side. But I think he doesn't
understand that it's gone way too far, way too far. People's eyes are open and especially young people. And these are
the people that in the coming generations are going to be in the foreign office in the UK, in the State
Department in the US. the whole generation coming up absolutely uh hates
Israel and actually sees it as synonymous with evil, which it is. Um uh
so I I think that it won't work. And I think that uh as as it as it becomes clearer and
clearer that it won't work, then they're going to they're going to have to go to another strategy. And and they've they're even talking I mean they are
aware uh that they've lost the world in to that extent. If you if you listen to um Netanyahu's speech the other day
where he said we we have to plan for isolation and we have to plan for utarchy economically i.e. we have to
produce all our own goods because we can't trust that we won't be hit with trading bargains that's quite significant and it it as I say the whole
strategy because they know that they're a small little country to to keep the the grand powers on side when that kind
of when that umbilical cord which runs from Washington London Berlin to Tel Aviv is cut which I think it will be not
immediately but over the coming decades then it's going to be very hard for them to survive because this is a country of
9 million people you know it's got a GDP smaller than Sweden. Um, it can't survive without the United States for
like a couple of weeks, particularly militarily. So, I I I am quite hopeful that in the long term, Zionism uh is is
dying and also that they won't be able to reverse it no matter how many social media platforms they they uh they buy.
The other point is also look, they have they have huge control over social media
already and still the whole world's turned against them. You know, Meta has sensors on behalf of Israel all the
time. They've got significant numbers of former spies, Israeli spies working for them. Same with Elon Musk is a big
supporter of Israel. Um, and and it's it's not worked. So, so I I think that
it's they're going to find that out very quickly. uh the the the way the interesting question is how do we
translate that shift in public consciousness around the world into policy changes within our own government
because it is happening slowly and I'll just give you some examples from the UK particularly because it's not happening
in the same way in the US because uh Trump is so under control of Israel but here just the other day the U Royal
College of Defense Studies which is the most elite um UK military training school uh said that they will no longer
take uh Israeli personnel. Uh it's the first time they've done that since it was created by Winston Churchill in the
early 20th century. This is a huge uh significant moment. Uh they've also uh
said that they're going to recognize Palestine, which I have a problem with this whole move, but it it but it's
still something that they know will piss off the Israelis and they're still willing to do it. And this is at a time
uh we're we're 2 years in. Think about 3, four, 5 years down the line, there's going to be so much pressure on the
government that they're going to have to start uh translating public uh opinion into policy. And uh there's nothing the
Israelis can do. Uh the question is how does once they've become isolated and
they're running their utarchic economy, how do we actually dismantle it and actually have some kind of justice and
peace in uh between the river and the sea? And that's another question. And I can't see how that happens without some
kind of holy like existential war cuz Israel has nukes. This is the important
thing. You know, this is what all the different resistance groups including and governments in the region dance
around the whole time. They This is a This is a country that has a a huge nuclear weapons article arsenal and is
mad enough to use it for sure. In fact, some people said that the reason Trump bombed Iran was cuz um Netanyahu said,
"Look, we don't have the technology to get as deep as we need to to take out the nuclear facilities, so I'm going to
use a nuke." And Trump was like, "No, no, no, don't do that. I I'll bomb with the US fleet." Um I don't know if that's
true, but but the point is we that it is extremely dangerous when you have this completely insane regime. And I'm not
just saying that rhetorically. They are completely insane. They they they killed the most amount of journalists that have ever been killed by a state in one go on
on record. the just two weeks ago in Yemen, uh they they've massacred people
for for tweets. Um when you have a state like that that is a huge nuclear arsenal, this is a threat to the whole
world. It's not just a threat to the to West Asia. So uh it is a scary prospect.
Yeah. Yeah. Indeed. And uh you know uh Patrick uh the uh whole Tik Tok
situation when it comes to the sale uh there are of course reports that it's
going to be Oracle that that will uh gain majority ownership and it's a
pro-Israel tech firm whose uh uh main uh venture capitalist Larry Ellison is one
of Silicon Valley's most prominent pro-Israel figures according to the cradle and has made significant
donations to to the friends of the Israel Defense Forces. So, there's obviously a direct connection that
Netanyahu is drawing given that uh one of Israel's most wealthy and largest
friends uh will be taking control of it. What's your assessment? What's your reaction?
Well, I think it goes a lot deeper than that. Uh Danny, uh even look look at the UK the Starr uh government's pushing
hard to implement a digital ID. Uh, and who is the frontman for this project? In
fact, who's been the frontman for the digital ID in the UK since long before Kier Starmer was sworn in as prime
minister is Tony Blair. So, a war criminal Tony Blair whose uh whose
foundation has garnered uh no less than $300 million from guess who? Larry
Ellison. So clearly there's an interest uh with Larry Ellison, Oracle and these
sort this sort of tech empire to run the backend uh for databases for this uh new
uh digital ID program which basically will be ubiquitous across all systems
and centralizing uh a centralized node for every sort of citizen and it this
will be gateways for uh everything internet access social media banking uh
right to work and etc etc. So clearly this is a technocratic endun around
basic rights and right to privacy and so forth and it can be hugely politicized.
So when you consider that and Larry Ellison being Israel's one of their biggest assets uh on on the planet in
terms of a tech mogul and then you drill down even further and you realize at
some point during the founding stages of Oracle that the central intelligence
agency were uh deeply involved in this and many other similar enterprises.
Larry Johnson can probably comment on this area, but you have venture capital firms like Inqutell uh that are
routinely involved in providing the seed funding and seeding the board initially
of board members of some of these corporations. There's a joke in Brazil, Danny, I don't know if you heard it, but
the some Brazilians will will laugh and say, "We don't decide our elections. Oracle decides our elections." So all of
these uh systems, electronic voting systems, election systems have been road tested uh in so-called third world
countries by uh United States intelligence with their uh te tech
moguls. And these can also be deployed in America. They can be deployed in
Britain in across Europe and if they're not already being deployed in that fashion. So in in terms of you know
manufacturing consent or uh election outcomes uh certainly you've got a prime
minister in Britain that is absolutely will you know go to the wall for Israel no matter what they do that's pretty
pretty clear but in a in a a prime minister with a very low approval rating and right across Europe you have all
these leaders that are clinging to you know a mandate with you know 20 high 20%
low 30% and co stitch together with flimsy coalitions that so there's no way
they can represent what the public uh majority want or believe or feel. And the United States goes in for the same
thing in the United States. Um but yet and and when it comes to supporting Israel, you could end up in the next 10
years having governments that support Israel still, but people that are just totally against it. Um and I think
you're already seeing that now. So this again this gulf uh increases between
where the public are and where the elite bureaucracy are and where the big uh billionaire oligarch class are. And of
course many of those oligarchs whether they're Christians or whether they're Jewish, they're all Zionist. That's the
thing they have in common. Yeah, very good points. And I think that
can bring us to the last segment I wanted to cover. And actually it's a bit of a a breaking story. I don't know how
breaking it is really given that um it's all happening on one side uh Patrick as
you mentioned uh the kind of bureaucratic oligarch uh class side and
not so much the Palestinian side but there is news of a uh so-called uh peace
deal that Trump has unveiled uh the the details have come out after meeting with
Netanyahu in Washington and here they are it stipul ulates that the conflict
would end immediately if accepted by both Israel and Hamas. All hostages would be uh who have either died or or
who remain would be returned 72 hours of the agreement. It would also see Israel
release over 2,000 prisoners and Israel would not be able to occupy or annex Gaza. And it encourages Gaza residents
to stay in place, but there's going to be a panel of experts to rebuild and energize quote unquote the Gaza Strip.
Now, the plans of course and this has been something that has been a huge
stipulation even in the so-called recognition drive by European countries in the UK. It calls for Hamas not to
have any direct or indirect role in the governance of Gaza. Instead, handing control of the territory to a quote
unquote technocratic a-olitical Palestinian committee responsible for delivering day-to-day running of public
services. It would be overseen by a board of peace headed and shared by Trump himself and involve participation
of other world leaders and you'll like this one Matt including UK prime minister uh Tony Blair former UK prime
minister. So let's start with you Larry. you know I uh Hamas the resistance in
Palestine has not really been consulted on this uh what's your assessment on uh
or reaction to this development given that the resistance as of right now is
still fighting and fighting very hard it's a propaganda show look there are 14
other Palestinian groups the Palestinian Islamic Jihad
uh Popular Front for the liberation of Palestine. Um, you know, I I I I can't remember
them all. So, yeah, they're not going away either. Um, this may be Israel's face saving way
to try to get out of a of a very intractable situation. You know, they
launched their re offensive to wipe out Hamas in Gaza City three weeks ago. This
is the start of the third week. How are they doing? Well, the reports today are that the
Israeli helicopters were quite active evacuating casualties, Israeli
casualties from Gaza City. So, the Kasam brigade is not going anywhere. Uh the
the other thing we don't really have a lot of good information on is I guarantee you there are commercial
relationships between members of uh Israel's polite
society and Hamas. We know from the past that you know Mossad was dealing with
Hamas whether uh you know undercover or in or without cover. Nonetheless, they
had commercial relationships where money was being uh moved back and forth. Uh I
I saw the start of the press conference and who walks in with just before Donald
Trump, Jared Kushner, Mr. I want to develop the beaches in Gaza Man.
So, you know, I don't doubt that there are some nefarious plans of foot to like
the proverbial camel slipping its nose under the tent. Uh, this is to get Jared
Kushner's feet in the water there off the Gaza shores and to retake Gaza, not
by fighting and killing, but by building and taking property and forcing the
Palestinians out. So, uh, while while I hope for an end to the fighting, uh,
this is not going to solve the underlying problem. And look, we just had BB Netanyahu last week at the United
Nations, sparsely attended, I might add, uh, make
it very clear, there will be no two-state solution. Period.
So, here's Trump talking his plan, and I don't think he paid attention to what BB said last week.
Yeah. And Matt, u uh I just want to remind and unmute yourself uh first, but please uh your reaction to this. I mean,
you have Tony Blair sitting on this quote unquote board of peace headed by Donald Trump. No consultation with the
Palestinian resistance, which is to engage in heavy fighting in places like Kununas and other areas of Gaza directly
with the Israeli regime. And of course, you have the rest of the resistance that has not let up. Uh what's your take on
this uh uh breaking uh plan that Trump is trying to push through um you know on
all sides of this conflict given its complicity in it? Well, first of all, the Tony Blair
issue, I mean, it's like a horror movie really, isn't it? This guy is like a a
Dracula. He's just sucks blood wherever he goes. He's This is a guy that was uh
led my country into an illegal war in Iraq where hundreds of British soldiers
died or up to a million Iraqis were killed, the whole region was destroyed. He should be in prison. So, let alone
the fact that he's chosen to to to be part of the the governing committee or
or whatever Trump's calling it um is is sick. And uh it just again it's an
imposition. the whole they this is this is the US role in the Israel Palestine
conflict from the start. You know they they they're they've run the so-called
police peace process but they're on Israel's side and have been from the beginning. So how that that's why it's
so intractable. Uh Trump's record on on Israel is appalling. He moved the the
the embassy to Jerusalem in his first term and then there was the great march
of return at the same time and they and he didn't say a word as Israeli snipers
massacred nurses and uh health workers and peaceful protesters who were just walking to the gates of their prisons.
So uh I don't I don't recognize them as having any right to impose a solution on
Gaza. And and if you look at the I was just looking at some of the fine print of what they're saying. And they're
saying there's going to be a security buffer zone, one of which uh part of which will be the whole of the Philadelphia corridor, the refer the
border with refer. So that Gaza is going to shrink. Uh I I don't know. Obviously,
it's got Hamas obviously uh and other resistance groups have got have had no input into this um uh uh so-called deal
uh peace deal. But again, that that's emblematic of the of the way it's worked from the start. you there was a
ceasefire agreement that Hamas was basically close to 100% agreeing with and then Israel bombed the mediators in
Qatar. Uh these Israel is not going to accept anything other than what they
exactly what they want. Um and they're it's a maximalist regime. Uh and they got control of the Trump White House. So
I don't know what will happen with this whether Hamas uh probably won't accept it. But um again uh as Larry mentioned
it that you we we should listen to Israeli ministers when they tell us what their vision for Gaza is because they
have told us from the start going back to when Gallant said that he was going to starve 2.3 million people not allow
any food, water and electricity. But even more recently Smott uh uh the
finance minister said that in a few months there will be no one left in Gaza. We're going to destroy the whole
thing. Ben Gavir is uh the security minister has said similar things. So I think their idea they they in my opinion
they saw October 7th as their 9/11 and their fi as as their and the pretext to
finally solve their so-called Pal Palestinian problem. The Palestinian problem for them is a whole reservoir of
indigenous people that they've displaced and kicked off their land and put in prisons. What do you do with them? And they uh obviously people put in a prison
are going to respond and and uh uh resist. Uh and so they want to just get
rid of them. Uh and I think they they they that is their end goal. They are not This is what I look every we've all
seen the images of Gaza, right? And they're doing the same thing to Gaza City now, right? It's destroyed. They've
erased it. Every highrise has been taken down in Gaza City over the past couple of weeks. Uh and the ministers have been
celebrating it. Israel Catz was celebrating the highest highrise going down today. uh the defense minister. Um
they're not doing that to allow the Palestinians to go back. That's not what you do if you want to rebuild with what
they're doing is they're raising it. It's a year zero thing. Uh and they're
going to rebuild it without Palestinians. And there was a plan that was leaked from Netanyahu um uh maybe
about a year ago where uh where they envisioned like a new uh Dubai, you
know, like and and and the new plan from Trump does me mention special economic zones and special economic zones I've
done a lot of work on. They're basically just corporate utopias. So uh uh I I it
won't work. It won't work. And as as as have been mentioned by other people, the resistance is still fighting in Kunis,
but also in other areas in Gaza City. Today there was an operation. Um so uh
are they just going to accept the fact that they have to completely down all their weapons? They have to accept that
they're they they're living under this genocidal power and they're living under uh uh the control of Tony Blair and
Donald Trump. I don't think they will accept it and they shouldn't accept it to be honest because obviously we all want to see an end to the fighting and
the genocide but if they if if if they
put through this plan that I believe the end goal will be to completely depopulate uh Palestine and behind
closed door they're probably aware of that they're probably talking about that probably saying well it's too hard we can't move the people we want cuz they
tried you know half a million people have left Gaza city over the past week but there's still hundreds of thousands
of people there they haven't been able to do what they wanted, which was to depopulate and move everyone to al-
Mauasi near Kunis. They haven't been able to do it. So, this is maybe a stop gap where they'll stabilize it and then
they'll find more peaceful ways to or more effective ways to move the Palestinians and eventually find a third
country that will take them. That's what I believe their plan is. So, I think yeah, it's propaganda. It's uh it's
either set up for Hamas to reject or or it's set up to be the prelude to a
depopulation and and occupation, complete occupation, rebuilding it as a real estate bonanza for for the Israelis
and the Americans. Yeah. And uh you know, Patrick uh Matt
says, "Yeah, the resistance hasn't stopped." This includes also Yemen. We see the Red Sea ships continue uh to be
attacked. Those who are Israeli linked, they are getting attacked by Yemen. And
of course uh given that the Palestinian resistance and Palestinian leadership have not been uh consulted on this uh
that won't stop the the Red Sea blockade nor the um you know targeting of Israeli
strategic sites by Yemen ballistic missiles. And then there's this I wanted to play you this because uh there's a
lot of I think suspicions that of course any kind of peace plan quote unquote
pushed through by Trump is really just serving Israel. So much so that we have Netanyahu. He's been going around the
mainstream media of late almost running interference for himself trying to show
that he is not in control that there's no one in control that Israel has no role. Well, I mean, we saw this with the
whole Charlie Kirk debacle where he had to go on Twitter and then mainstream media and say, "Ah, we didn't do
anything." Over and over and over again. Here he goes again talking to mainstream media about this claim that he is in the
Israeli regime is essentially influencing and controlling the Trump administration. President Trump has been an incredible
ally of Israel, uh incredible friend. We've had uh no one like him. what he did in his first term uh in recognizing
Jerusalem as our capital, moving the American embassy there, recognizing our sovereignty over the Goran Heights,
getting out of the disastrous Iran deal, and then of course now uh joining us in
the effort to uh prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons by taking out uh
some of these nuclear sites with us. I think it's great. I read somewhere this ridiculous I mean this ridiculous lie.
President Trump does what he does because he decides what's in America's
best interest. And I've said this often. You know, I don't decide a thing for
President Trump. He is the most independent leader in Americ.
So, uh, Netanyahu, I don't know if he would ask that, but he is not he has no
uh no influence over Trump. Uh, they didn't sign anything for Trump. Uh, Patrick, your your thoughts about about
this and what this peace plan shows about Israel's interference in US politics. Well, first off the bat, uh,
reportage, uh, says the opposite, uh, that Netanyahu himself is making, uh, cabinet calls directly, uh, and via Miam
Adlesen and some of the big donors that basically purchased the White House uh, in the 2024 election. So they in fact
the uh and it's worth pointing out once again that the entire cabinet anybody
that touches national security or uh that touches foreign policy uh had to be
pro- Israel and were shortlisted by the Israeli donor class by the Israeli
lobby. Okay. So that's the level of penetration of quote foreign interference. Uh the thing they accused
Russia of doing for the last 10 years. That's the level of penetration into this uh Trump White House. So, it's
unprecedented. Uh it's never been seen before. And by the way, that's probably why they're dropping the ball so badly
on Ukraine and Russia because everybody in from the State Department right across the board are only equipped and
care about one issue and that's Israel. Period. Is it good for Israel? Is it bad for Israel? So, that's that. Look, the
the leak on this so-called peace plan was a strategic leak. That should tell you straight away this thing is a
complete scam. Okay. Uh Jared Kushner, the president-in-law, as we used to call
him, the president-in-law, uh he was the sort of guy who uh carried the Abraham
Accords. Okay. He fronted that whole uh joke of a peace plan. And the the the
feature about the Abraham Accords is that they never consulted the Palestinians. and the Palestinians weren't involved at all in this great
grand peace bargain uh for the Middle East. And Trump still believes he should get a Nobel Prize for it when in fact it
was the Abraham Accords that probably accelerated the conditions for October 7th to happen. Um so you get anything
but the Nobel Peace Prize for that. But because because of that the they're doing the same the normal Israeli
negotiation strategy is to make some kind of an impossible bargain deal um
and usually ineps absentia of the counterparty negotiating in this case Hamas and then if it's rejected or if
it's not accepted um then they say oh it's a perfectly good deal and we uh we we offered Arafat or whoever the
Palestinian negotiator whoever's alive to negotiate on behalf of the Palestinians or Hamas Oh, it was a
perfectly good deal. Trump is adopting verbatim the exact same tactic. He's even using this against the Russians.
Oh, we offered a perfectly good deal and they didn't accept it. Same thing here. So, this thing is designed to fail. But
you read read the fine print on this. The fine print. If Hamas leaders agree
to leave Gaza, that's part of the conditions. Okay. So, and and so are
they going to go to Qar and they say, "Well, we'll give Qatar an amnesty as long as they comply for this this term
right here." The other place where they might go is Egypt because there's a lot of pressure on Egypt from the Egyptian
public to step up and basically uh head off what is a a huge humanitarian
disaster and just an unthinkable situation um in Gaza. And so, uh just
like clockwork, what do you have this week? go to the New York Times and they
said, "Ah, Israeli officials spokesperson is concerned that Hamas
terrorists have uh crossed over the border into the Sinai along with uh uh
anything uh like 100,000 medical evacuees uh and people fleeing uh the
Gaza Strip. Okay. So they're creating the conditions for a 1978
uh PLO South Lebanon trap. And that's was the pretext Israel used to attack
Lebanon to invade and occupy South Lebanon. And they occupied for over two
decades effectively. So they're they are engineering the identical trap with
Israel, with Egypt and the Sinai. And by doing that, if they can claim they have intelligence or they can push
Palestinians into the Sinai, that gives Israel and the IDF uh license to attack
what they call terrorist targets in Egypt. And where is that going to end? Okay. And so I I think this is the thing
you're you're looking at a a big scam that is underway now. And the last thing they have intended to do is any kind of
peace ceasefire or stop the fighting. Israel always does one thing in negotiations. that's they drag they drag
it on to change facts on the ground and right now they're they're they're just about done partitioning the West Bank.
Okay. Uh by isolating East Jerusalem and so that whole situation and and annexing
the Jordan Valley. Okay, that's all in motion right now. That's all underway.
And the to to them to the to the hard right which is all of Israel at this point. Israel has shifted so far to the
right. Um it's uh it's it's they're looking at this as the final five yards of the the end final solution for Gaza.
That that's how they are seeing it. This is how they're publicly articulating it. So all of this stuff with peace deals,
Trump ceasefire, I wouldn't trust them as far as you could throw them. And I'll leave it there.
Yeah. Yeah. And Larry and and Matt, maybe we can end with your final comments. Uh as Patrick was talking
about the folly of uh trusting negotiations that have any uh role of
the United States and Israel in them uh in the press conference about this uh he
says this Donald Trump everyone has accepted this plan. I have a feeling we're going to get a positive answers.
If not as you know BB you have our full backing to do what you have to do. And I
think that sums up exactly what the US's and Trump's posture has been on this
from the very beginning, always with that caveat in there that Israel essentially has absolutely no um no
leash on it whatsoever. Uh Larry, uh you're muted, so unmute before you start, but yes, please. You're
Well, I agree. You know, I think Patrick did a great job of outlining both the historical context that this is, you
know, this is deja vu all over again as Yogi Barra said, uh, you know, it's it's
the past repeating, uh, at least along the same chords. Maybe some of the
specific notes are off, but the basic chord structure is the same. Uh and
Netanyahu apparently at this press conference because I've been seeing you know getting some flashes across my
screen basically reiterated that you know the a Palestinian state is still
unacceptable to Israel and this entire
um fantasy about you know Israel being this Zionist state and what I mean by
fantasy is its population 80% of the population came from Europe
primarily because you go back and you look at the census that was taken first in 1922 then in 1931
uh the Jewish population in 1931 was like 174,000
uh the Palestinian population was close to 800,000
and then within 20 years uh the the numbers had and completely flipped that
you had millions of of Jews. Well, they they just fall out of the sky. So, the
you know, they've stolen the land. They're not about to give back that stolen land. And uh it's going to be up
to Hamas and the various resistance groups to either find a way to fight it,
continue fighting, and ultimately weaken Israel or or be eliminated. I I would
simply note that, you know, three weeks ago, Israel launched its operation to
take full control of Gaza City. Well, here we are three weeks later.
You've got the Israeli military, Israeli Defense Force with every single advantage an army could have. I mean,
they've got full control of the air. They've got overhead satellites. They've got all sorts of intelligence collection
systems. They have artillery. They have tanks. They have armored personnel carriers.
And yet, and they have Hamas bottled up
in a specific area. You know, that's sort of like having Jim Buouie and Davy Crockett later locked in at the Alamo.
And yet, Israel can't beat him. They can't defeat him. They've had, for God's
sake, now two years, two full years to try. And it's not, you know, you hear
all these idiot western analysts make fun about, oh, the Russians haven't taken much territory. Yeah, they're
fighting a NATO pure force, a NATO force that has almost every kind of weapon
system that Russia has. And in spite of that, Russia keeps moving forward. It keeps killing more of them, unlike the
Israelis who have a confined area locked in and they can't defeat it.
that and right you know today as I mentioned earlier they're taking more casualties and so I I think Hamas is
content to try to bleed them out if they can because Israel cannot sustain the casualties
they will uh they're already down about two million people since the start of the war.
Yeah Matt, uh your final thoughts? Uh, I I've always found this to be one of the
most um the stark points uh that Larry just brought up is you do have the
resistance just they don't they don't give up. Uh not only do they not give up, but uh essentially Gaza is itself uh
what many have said is a prison literally built to do what is happening to the Palestinians right now, a
genocide. And yet the resistance doesn't stop. And I think this is a huge problem
both for the Israeli regime and the United States which sees of course Gaza and Palestine as a big part of its
overall power projection in the region. So your final thoughts on the situation
um overall the peace plan etc. wherever you want to go with it.
Uh sorry you're muted. I I think that the resistance point is
is huge. you know, like you've had two years nearly of three nuclear armed
powers uh basically throwing everything they have got at um this small little
bit of territory, you know, so 20 mi long and 45 mi wide and they can't beat
the resistance. And again, like you mentioned, this is a prison. Most of the weapons being used are repurposed
Israeli weapons because there's no way to get weapons in. So, it is an incredible uh campaign fought by the
resist the Palestinian resistance. Um, and I agree with Larry that that the
it's the longer it goes on for Israel, the worse it's going to get because they can't move. They haven't achieved any of
their goals. Hamas and the resistance are still active.
Hundreds of thousands of people are still in the parts of Gaza that they've wanted to move. nothing has been achieved apart from a complete
obliteration of their reputation around the world and arrest warrants for their prime minister and defense minister. So,
um it they probably do want to draw it to a close, but I I I also think that as they've gone on this long, it does
create the conditions for them to carry on because they can't stop until they
get some tangible victory because they haven't the the hostages that they have got back have been got through through
exchange deals. Most of them they have they have rescued. So they did the Nisarat massacre where they killed
nearly 300 Palestinians to rescue four hostages, but the majority have been got through exchanges. If the concern was to
get the hostages back, that's what they would have focused on, but that's not been their concern. Their concern has been to obliterate Gaza. But um I do
agree with Patrick that this is designed to fail just having read uh uh in a
cursory fashion what the stipulations are because they the Israelis uh firstly never
negotiate in good faith uh and uh secondly even when they sign up to deals
they don't hold to it. You know, there was a there was a a ceasefire on the first that came into came into effect
the first day of Trump's uh term in office in January, and then in March, 2
months later, they just completely broke it, and it was going to plan. That could have been a ceasefire that would have got all the hostages home um and would
have uh uh uh uh created uh peace. But they don't want peace. They want they
want they want to destroy Gaza, and they want their final solution. and they've got their pretext which they probably
are thinking we're never going to get again. So, um I think that they're designing this for Hamas to reject it
and as Patrick say that then gives them a propaganda weapon to say well we offered everything that they they they they needed and um uh they rejected us.
The other thing is it's also suicidal on the part of Hamas because the U the the Israelis
although they say we'll do an amnesty they will hunt down and kill every single p Hamas fighter and Hamas
negotiator they did it with you know with the shallot deal in 2006 and well he was taken in 2006 but released 5
years later and they hunted down all the people that were involved in negotiating that they bombed the negotiators in
Qatar as I mentioned last month um they will there's no way that they will abide
by allowing these people to leave and set up shop in another country and not hunt them down at some point. So from
Hamas's perspective, what have they got to lose? They either continue the resistance or uh and are taken out
eventually or they they go they they put down their weapons and and surrender and they're taken out in another way. So the
Israelis there's no way out for them. So the incentive is to carry on because in
some senses they're winning. You know, Israel's not achieved any of its goals. They're bleeding out the Israeli uh
society itself. There's a lot of problems for Netanyahu domestically. So why sign up to this Trump and Netanyahu
designed so-called uh peace deal? Yeah. Yeah. It definitely smells
fraudulent given how important it is for Israel to continue its uh onslaught
here. And all those points I think are are really good ones. Gentlemen, this
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You know, uh, Larry, the crisis of
legitimacy in particular for Israel in the United States specifically is is getting, uh, quite bad to the point
where you have 60% of Generation Z Americans saying that they are in far
more in favor of Hamas than they are of Israel. And I think that this has
something to do with why Netanyahu sees the sale of Tik Tok so as such an
important weapon for itself in this time. What's your take on this, Larry?
Sorry, you're muted. I can't There we go. It goes to the broader change and revolution
um with respect to media narrative control. You know, I spent a brief stent
during my time at CIA working on what they call covert action. How you u put
plant stories to try to further a narrative. In this case, I was working
in support of the uh to counter the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
And you know, with something like that, it was easy to portray the Soviets as the bad guys and us as the good guys,
even though that wasn't really the truth. But, you know, the narrative worked. Um, you know, the three of you
are really uh too young to remember uh the Exodus influence. Um, and the movie
Exodus with Paul Newman came out 196061, but it was it was around a lot on
television during that period. And it it pushed this entire David versus Goliath narrative in support of the Zionists
that they were these good, humble, just, you know, wanting to plant olive trees
and feed the bird kind of people and these nasty Arabs are running around
raping and killing Karen, the blonde Norwegian girl. So, you know, and that
that uh you know, when you're uh 10, 11, 12 years old getting fed that propaganda, it's you know, it has some
influence. Um the media was much much easier to control back then. Uh I just
used these statistics earlier with Judge Knap. Uh in 1968
there were a total of 54 million people that watched the three largest news
broadcast stations in in in the US CBS, ABC, NBC.
Of those three, CBS with Walter Kronite accounted for 28 million people.
uh in August of 2016, those three stations
plus Fox News, CNN, MSNBC combined had
an audience of 27 million even though the United States population from 1968
to 2016 had increased by about 140 million people. So we had far more
people far fewer watching. So that's why this whole social media space uh
particular on the internet and you know with Facebook with Tik Tok uh with uh
Twitterx that has you know it has created new
challenges for the government to try to control it and fortunately as was the
case during you know the Soviet Union when they had imposed a lot of restrictions upon what could be printed
what could be published what could be aired. Uh at that time a a subculture
called samisdat grew up in which surreptitiously
articles that would went against the the the main narrative the popular narrative were circulating. And so in spite of
government efforts to try to control shape uh and dictate what the narrative would be there was still just like you
know water seeking a way through solid rock. it finds a way. And so that's what
we're living with today. We're seeing desperate efforts of the governments in the United States, in Europe, and in
Israel to try to control the narrative. But shows like yours, like you know what
Patrick does, Judge Npalitano, Nema, the Duran, you know, you go down the list of
and and things you may even disagree with, but there's so much out there, it actually makes it almost impossible for
the government to control it. And that that's the bright side or the silver lining to this dark cloud.
Yeah. and and and Matt, I'm curious on what you think about uh where this falls
into why Israel is so um desperate to latch on to uh the information war with
regard to the sale of Tik Tok and social media in general X because here you have in Israeli media with European leaders
bowing to fringe groups, Israel must prepare uh written by actually university southern worlds UK research
fellow for the Israel Center for Grand Strategy. in the UK. Uh this shift uh Matt in
Europe in particular is not just Europe as I showed earlier. It's with younger Americans. The vast majority of people
in the United States also are incredibly opposed to what Israel is doing and see
the United States as a a big backer of this. It's it's very it's clear as day.
Where does all this fit into this uh overall uh refocus or or double down
focus on the part of Israel on information warfare?
H sorry I can't you uh well their brand is is now tainted
and uh I would say destroyed and you know uh Zionism is uh from the start has
been all about uh lobbying um gr great power to to get what it
wants. It obviously it the whole nightmare began in London with the bow for declaration in 1917 when the the
British government promised Palestine to uh the Zionist movement. And that was
that was a very kind that that they were shoehorned into that effectively by people like Chain Wiseman and they saw
what they they were successful in what they did but they saw that they needed to get the great powers on their side.
At that time, Britain was the most powerful country in the world if they wanted to get what they want. And they
know that the whole of their existence relies on the population, particularly
in the United States, but also in Europe, being on their side and supporting their government, supporting
them. And actually, I think that that has the biggest rupture with that
strategy ever has is is now in place. And I I believe it's never going to go back because the other thing is Zionism
has also always tried to market itself well it markets itself different to different sectors but it often markets
itself as this progressive force you know it's like a it's often linked to the history of persecution of the Jewish
people. It's linked to um uh uh uh progressive ideals like socialism and
stuff or lobby groups try and do that. But uh if you look at what Zionism is as
an ideology and as an idea, it's a deeply regressive supremacist settler colonial ideology. It's not it's not got
anything to do with progressive ideals or progressive sensibilities. And that whole fantasy and mythology, even the
term liberal Zionism, which is an oxymoron, which and used a lot, it it's unsustainable now and it's never going
back. So that's why and actually I think Netanyahu is going to find that out because I I actually think he's sincere
when he says that he thinks that Tik Tok getting hold of Tik Tok uh through Larry
Ellison will change the will will be consequential and get the population back on side. But I think he doesn't
understand that it's gone way too far, way too far. People's eyes are open and especially young people. And these are
the people that in the coming generations are going to be in the foreign office in the UK, in the State
Department in the US. the whole generation coming up absolutely uh hates
Israel and actually sees it as synonymous with evil, which it is. Um uh
so I I think that it won't work. And I think that uh as as it as it becomes clearer and
clearer that it won't work, then they're going to they're going to have to go to another strategy. And and they've they're even talking I mean they are
aware uh that they've lost the world in to that extent. If you if you listen to um Netanyahu's speech the other day
where he said we we have to plan for isolation and we have to plan for utarchy economically i.e. we have to
produce all our own goods because we can't trust that we won't be hit with trading bargains that's quite significant and it it as I say the whole
strategy because they know that they're a small little country to to keep the the grand powers on side when that kind
of when that umbilical cord which runs from Washington London Berlin to Tel Aviv is cut which I think it will be not
immediately but over the coming decades then it's going to be very hard for them to survive because this is a country of
9 million people you know it's got a GDP smaller than Sweden. Um, it can't survive without the United States for
like a couple of weeks, particularly militarily. So, I I I am quite hopeful that in the long term, Zionism uh is is
dying and also that they won't be able to reverse it no matter how many social media platforms they they uh they buy.
The other point is also look, they have they have huge control over social media
already and still the whole world's turned against them. You know, Meta has sensors on behalf of Israel all the
time. They've got significant numbers of former spies, Israeli spies working for them. Same with Elon Musk is a big
supporter of Israel. Um, and and it's it's not worked. So, so I I think that
it's they're going to find that out very quickly. uh the the the way the interesting question is how do we
translate that shift in public consciousness around the world into policy changes within our own government
because it is happening slowly and I'll just give you some examples from the UK particularly because it's not happening
in the same way in the US because uh Trump is so under control of Israel but here just the other day the U Royal
College of Defense Studies which is the most elite um UK military training school uh said that they will no longer
take uh Israeli personnel. Uh it's the first time they've done that since it was created by Winston Churchill in the
early 20th century. This is a huge uh significant moment. Uh they've also uh
said that they're going to recognize Palestine, which I have a problem with this whole move, but it it but it's
still something that they know will piss off the Israelis and they're still willing to do it. And this is at a time
uh we're we're 2 years in. Think about 3, four, 5 years down the line, there's going to be so much pressure on the
government that they're going to have to start uh translating public uh opinion into policy. And uh there's nothing the
Israelis can do. Uh the question is how does once they've become isolated and
they're running their utarchic economy, how do we actually dismantle it and actually have some kind of justice and
peace in uh between the river and the sea? And that's another question. And I can't see how that happens without some
kind of holy like existential war cuz Israel has nukes. This is the important
thing. You know, this is what all the different resistance groups including and governments in the region dance
around the whole time. They This is a This is a country that has a a huge nuclear weapons article arsenal and is
mad enough to use it for sure. In fact, some people said that the reason Trump bombed Iran was cuz um Netanyahu said,
"Look, we don't have the technology to get as deep as we need to to take out the nuclear facilities, so I'm going to
use a nuke." And Trump was like, "No, no, no, don't do that. I I'll bomb with the US fleet." Um I don't know if that's
true, but but the point is we that it is extremely dangerous when you have this completely insane regime. And I'm not
just saying that rhetorically. They are completely insane. They they they killed the most amount of journalists that have ever been killed by a state in one go on
on record. the just two weeks ago in Yemen, uh they they've massacred people
for for tweets. Um when you have a state like that that is a huge nuclear arsenal, this is a threat to the whole
world. It's not just a threat to the to West Asia. So uh it is a scary prospect.
Yeah. Yeah. Indeed. And uh you know uh Patrick uh the uh whole Tik Tok
situation when it comes to the sale uh there are of course reports that it's
going to be Oracle that that will uh gain majority ownership and it's a
pro-Israel tech firm whose uh uh main uh venture capitalist Larry Ellison is one
of Silicon Valley's most prominent pro-Israel figures according to the cradle and has made significant
donations to to the friends of the Israel Defense Forces. So, there's obviously a direct connection that
Netanyahu is drawing given that uh one of Israel's most wealthy and largest
friends uh will be taking control of it. What's your assessment? What's your reaction?
Well, I think it goes a lot deeper than that. Uh Danny, uh even look look at the UK the Starr uh government's pushing
hard to implement a digital ID. Uh, and who is the frontman for this project? In
fact, who's been the frontman for the digital ID in the UK since long before Kier Starmer was sworn in as prime
minister is Tony Blair. So, a war criminal Tony Blair whose uh whose
foundation has garnered uh no less than $300 million from guess who? Larry
Ellison. So clearly there's an interest uh with Larry Ellison, Oracle and these
sort this sort of tech empire to run the backend uh for databases for this uh new
uh digital ID program which basically will be ubiquitous across all systems
and centralizing uh a centralized node for every sort of citizen and it this
will be gateways for uh everything internet access social media banking uh
right to work and etc etc. So clearly this is a technocratic endun around
basic rights and right to privacy and so forth and it can be hugely politicized.
So when you consider that and Larry Ellison being Israel's one of their biggest assets uh on on the planet in
terms of a tech mogul and then you drill down even further and you realize at
some point during the founding stages of Oracle that the central intelligence
agency were uh deeply involved in this and many other similar enterprises.
Larry Johnson can probably comment on this area, but you have venture capital firms like Inqutell uh that are
routinely involved in providing the seed funding and seeding the board initially
of board members of some of these corporations. There's a joke in Brazil, Danny, I don't know if you heard it, but
the some Brazilians will will laugh and say, "We don't decide our elections. Oracle decides our elections." So all of
these uh systems, electronic voting systems, election systems have been road tested uh in so-called third world
countries by uh United States intelligence with their uh te tech
moguls. And these can also be deployed in America. They can be deployed in
Britain in across Europe and if they're not already being deployed in that fashion. So in in terms of you know
manufacturing consent or uh election outcomes uh certainly you've got a prime
minister in Britain that is absolutely will you know go to the wall for Israel no matter what they do that's pretty
pretty clear but in a in a a prime minister with a very low approval rating and right across Europe you have all
these leaders that are clinging to you know a mandate with you know 20 high 20%
low 30% and co stitch together with flimsy coalitions that so there's no way
they can represent what the public uh majority want or believe or feel. And the United States goes in for the same
thing in the United States. Um but yet and and when it comes to supporting Israel, you could end up in the next 10
years having governments that support Israel still, but people that are just totally against it. Um and I think
you're already seeing that now. So this again this gulf uh increases between
where the public are and where the elite bureaucracy are and where the big uh billionaire oligarch class are. And of
course many of those oligarchs whether they're Christians or whether they're Jewish, they're all Zionist. That's the
thing they have in common. Yeah, very good points. And I think that
can bring us to the last segment I wanted to cover. And actually it's a bit of a a breaking story. I don't know how
breaking it is really given that um it's all happening on one side uh Patrick as
you mentioned uh the kind of bureaucratic oligarch uh class side and
not so much the Palestinian side but there is news of a uh so-called uh peace
deal that Trump has unveiled uh the the details have come out after meeting with
Netanyahu in Washington and here they are it stipul ulates that the conflict
would end immediately if accepted by both Israel and Hamas. All hostages would be uh who have either died or or
who remain would be returned 72 hours of the agreement. It would also see Israel
release over 2,000 prisoners and Israel would not be able to occupy or annex Gaza. And it encourages Gaza residents
to stay in place, but there's going to be a panel of experts to rebuild and energize quote unquote the Gaza Strip.
Now, the plans of course and this has been something that has been a huge
stipulation even in the so-called recognition drive by European countries in the UK. It calls for Hamas not to
have any direct or indirect role in the governance of Gaza. Instead, handing control of the territory to a quote
unquote technocratic a-olitical Palestinian committee responsible for delivering day-to-day running of public
services. It would be overseen by a board of peace headed and shared by Trump himself and involve participation
of other world leaders and you'll like this one Matt including UK prime minister uh Tony Blair former UK prime
minister. So let's start with you Larry. you know I uh Hamas the resistance in
Palestine has not really been consulted on this uh what's your assessment on uh
or reaction to this development given that the resistance as of right now is
still fighting and fighting very hard it's a propaganda show look there are 14
other Palestinian groups the Palestinian Islamic Jihad
uh Popular Front for the liberation of Palestine. Um, you know, I I I I can't remember
them all. So, yeah, they're not going away either. Um, this may be Israel's face saving way
to try to get out of a of a very intractable situation. You know, they
launched their re offensive to wipe out Hamas in Gaza City three weeks ago. This
is the start of the third week. How are they doing? Well, the reports today are that the
Israeli helicopters were quite active evacuating casualties, Israeli
casualties from Gaza City. So, the Kasam brigade is not going anywhere. Uh the
the other thing we don't really have a lot of good information on is I guarantee you there are commercial
relationships between members of uh Israel's polite
society and Hamas. We know from the past that you know Mossad was dealing with
Hamas whether uh you know undercover or in or without cover. Nonetheless, they
had commercial relationships where money was being uh moved back and forth. Uh I
I saw the start of the press conference and who walks in with just before Donald
Trump, Jared Kushner, Mr. I want to develop the beaches in Gaza Man.
So, you know, I don't doubt that there are some nefarious plans of foot to like
the proverbial camel slipping its nose under the tent. Uh, this is to get Jared
Kushner's feet in the water there off the Gaza shores and to retake Gaza, not
by fighting and killing, but by building and taking property and forcing the
Palestinians out. So, uh, while while I hope for an end to the fighting, uh,
this is not going to solve the underlying problem. And look, we just had BB Netanyahu last week at the United
Nations, sparsely attended, I might add, uh, make
it very clear, there will be no two-state solution. Period.
So, here's Trump talking his plan, and I don't think he paid attention to what BB said last week.
Yeah. And Matt, u uh I just want to remind and unmute yourself uh first, but please uh your reaction to this. I mean,
you have Tony Blair sitting on this quote unquote board of peace headed by Donald Trump. No consultation with the
Palestinian resistance, which is to engage in heavy fighting in places like Kununas and other areas of Gaza directly
with the Israeli regime. And of course, you have the rest of the resistance that has not let up. Uh what's your take on
this uh uh breaking uh plan that Trump is trying to push through um you know on
all sides of this conflict given its complicity in it? Well, first of all, the Tony Blair
issue, I mean, it's like a horror movie really, isn't it? This guy is like a a
Dracula. He's just sucks blood wherever he goes. He's This is a guy that was uh
led my country into an illegal war in Iraq where hundreds of British soldiers
died or up to a million Iraqis were killed, the whole region was destroyed. He should be in prison. So, let alone
the fact that he's chosen to to to be part of the the governing committee or
or whatever Trump's calling it um is is sick. And uh it just again it's an
imposition. the whole they this is this is the US role in the Israel Palestine
conflict from the start. You know they they they're they've run the so-called
police peace process but they're on Israel's side and have been from the beginning. So how that that's why it's
so intractable. Uh Trump's record on on Israel is appalling. He moved the the
the embassy to Jerusalem in his first term and then there was the great march
of return at the same time and they and he didn't say a word as Israeli snipers
massacred nurses and uh health workers and peaceful protesters who were just walking to the gates of their prisons.
So uh I don't I don't recognize them as having any right to impose a solution on
Gaza. And and if you look at the I was just looking at some of the fine print of what they're saying. And they're
saying there's going to be a security buffer zone, one of which uh part of which will be the whole of the Philadelphia corridor, the refer the
border with refer. So that Gaza is going to shrink. Uh I I don't know. Obviously,
it's got Hamas obviously uh and other resistance groups have got have had no input into this um uh uh so-called deal
uh peace deal. But again, that that's emblematic of the of the way it's worked from the start. you there was a
ceasefire agreement that Hamas was basically close to 100% agreeing with and then Israel bombed the mediators in
Qatar. Uh these Israel is not going to accept anything other than what they
exactly what they want. Um and they're it's a maximalist regime. Uh and they got control of the Trump White House. So
I don't know what will happen with this whether Hamas uh probably won't accept it. But um again uh as Larry mentioned
it that you we we should listen to Israeli ministers when they tell us what their vision for Gaza is because they
have told us from the start going back to when Gallant said that he was going to starve 2.3 million people not allow
any food, water and electricity. But even more recently Smott uh uh the
finance minister said that in a few months there will be no one left in Gaza. We're going to destroy the whole
thing. Ben Gavir is uh the security minister has said similar things. So I think their idea they they in my opinion
they saw October 7th as their 9/11 and their fi as as their and the pretext to
finally solve their so-called Pal Palestinian problem. The Palestinian problem for them is a whole reservoir of
indigenous people that they've displaced and kicked off their land and put in prisons. What do you do with them? And they uh obviously people put in a prison
are going to respond and and uh uh resist. Uh and so they want to just get
rid of them. Uh and I think they they they that is their end goal. They are not This is what I look every we've all
seen the images of Gaza, right? And they're doing the same thing to Gaza City now, right? It's destroyed. They've
erased it. Every highrise has been taken down in Gaza City over the past couple of weeks. Uh and the ministers have been
celebrating it. Israel Catz was celebrating the highest highrise going down today. uh the defense minister. Um
they're not doing that to allow the Palestinians to go back. That's not what you do if you want to rebuild with what
they're doing is they're raising it. It's a year zero thing. Uh and they're
going to rebuild it without Palestinians. And there was a plan that was leaked from Netanyahu um uh maybe
about a year ago where uh where they envisioned like a new uh Dubai, you
know, like and and and the new plan from Trump does me mention special economic zones and special economic zones I've
done a lot of work on. They're basically just corporate utopias. So uh uh I I it
won't work. It won't work. And as as as have been mentioned by other people, the resistance is still fighting in Kunis,
but also in other areas in Gaza City. Today there was an operation. Um so uh
are they just going to accept the fact that they have to completely down all their weapons? They have to accept that
they're they they're living under this genocidal power and they're living under uh uh the control of Tony Blair and
Donald Trump. I don't think they will accept it and they shouldn't accept it to be honest because obviously we all want to see an end to the fighting and
the genocide but if they if if if they
put through this plan that I believe the end goal will be to completely depopulate uh Palestine and behind
closed door they're probably aware of that they're probably talking about that probably saying well it's too hard we can't move the people we want cuz they
tried you know half a million people have left Gaza city over the past week but there's still hundreds of thousands
of people there they haven't been able to do what they wanted, which was to depopulate and move everyone to al-
Mauasi near Kunis. They haven't been able to do it. So, this is maybe a stop gap where they'll stabilize it and then
they'll find more peaceful ways to or more effective ways to move the Palestinians and eventually find a third
country that will take them. That's what I believe their plan is. So, I think yeah, it's propaganda. It's uh it's
either set up for Hamas to reject or or it's set up to be the prelude to a
depopulation and and occupation, complete occupation, rebuilding it as a real estate bonanza for for the Israelis
and the Americans. Yeah. And uh you know, Patrick uh Matt
says, "Yeah, the resistance hasn't stopped." This includes also Yemen. We see the Red Sea ships continue uh to be
attacked. Those who are Israeli linked, they are getting attacked by Yemen. And
of course uh given that the Palestinian resistance and Palestinian leadership have not been uh consulted on this uh
that won't stop the the Red Sea blockade nor the um you know targeting of Israeli
strategic sites by Yemen ballistic missiles. And then there's this I wanted to play you this because uh there's a
lot of I think suspicions that of course any kind of peace plan quote unquote
pushed through by Trump is really just serving Israel. So much so that we have Netanyahu. He's been going around the
mainstream media of late almost running interference for himself trying to show
that he is not in control that there's no one in control that Israel has no role. Well, I mean, we saw this with the
whole Charlie Kirk debacle where he had to go on Twitter and then mainstream media and say, "Ah, we didn't do
anything." Over and over and over again. Here he goes again talking to mainstream media about this claim that he is in the
Israeli regime is essentially influencing and controlling the Trump administration. President Trump has been an incredible
ally of Israel, uh incredible friend. We've had uh no one like him. what he did in his first term uh in recognizing
Jerusalem as our capital, moving the American embassy there, recognizing our sovereignty over the Goran Heights,
getting out of the disastrous Iran deal, and then of course now uh joining us in
the effort to uh prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons by taking out uh
some of these nuclear sites with us. I think it's great. I read somewhere this ridiculous I mean this ridiculous lie.
President Trump does what he does because he decides what's in America's
best interest. And I've said this often. You know, I don't decide a thing for
President Trump. He is the most independent leader in Americ.
So, uh, Netanyahu, I don't know if he would ask that, but he is not he has no
uh no influence over Trump. Uh, they didn't sign anything for Trump. Uh, Patrick, your your thoughts about about
this and what this peace plan shows about Israel's interference in US politics. Well, first off the bat, uh,
reportage, uh, says the opposite, uh, that Netanyahu himself is making, uh, cabinet calls directly, uh, and via Miam
Adlesen and some of the big donors that basically purchased the White House uh, in the 2024 election. So they in fact
the uh and it's worth pointing out once again that the entire cabinet anybody
that touches national security or uh that touches foreign policy uh had to be
pro- Israel and were shortlisted by the Israeli donor class by the Israeli
lobby. Okay. So that's the level of penetration of quote foreign interference. Uh the thing they accused
Russia of doing for the last 10 years. That's the level of penetration into this uh Trump White House. So, it's
unprecedented. Uh it's never been seen before. And by the way, that's probably why they're dropping the ball so badly
on Ukraine and Russia because everybody in from the State Department right across the board are only equipped and
care about one issue and that's Israel. Period. Is it good for Israel? Is it bad for Israel? So, that's that. Look, the
the leak on this so-called peace plan was a strategic leak. That should tell you straight away this thing is a
complete scam. Okay. Uh Jared Kushner, the president-in-law, as we used to call
him, the president-in-law, uh he was the sort of guy who uh carried the Abraham
Accords. Okay. He fronted that whole uh joke of a peace plan. And the the the
feature about the Abraham Accords is that they never consulted the Palestinians. and the Palestinians weren't involved at all in this great
grand peace bargain uh for the Middle East. And Trump still believes he should get a Nobel Prize for it when in fact it
was the Abraham Accords that probably accelerated the conditions for October 7th to happen. Um so you get anything
but the Nobel Peace Prize for that. But because because of that the they're doing the same the normal Israeli
negotiation strategy is to make some kind of an impossible bargain deal um
and usually ineps absentia of the counterparty negotiating in this case Hamas and then if it's rejected or if
it's not accepted um then they say oh it's a perfectly good deal and we uh we we offered Arafat or whoever the
Palestinian negotiator whoever's alive to negotiate on behalf of the Palestinians or Hamas Oh, it was a
perfectly good deal. Trump is adopting verbatim the exact same tactic. He's even using this against the Russians.
Oh, we offered a perfectly good deal and they didn't accept it. Same thing here. So, this thing is designed to fail. But
you read read the fine print on this. The fine print. If Hamas leaders agree
to leave Gaza, that's part of the conditions. Okay. So, and and so are
they going to go to Qar and they say, "Well, we'll give Qatar an amnesty as long as they comply for this this term
right here." The other place where they might go is Egypt because there's a lot of pressure on Egypt from the Egyptian
public to step up and basically uh head off what is a a huge humanitarian
disaster and just an unthinkable situation um in Gaza. And so, uh just
like clockwork, what do you have this week? go to the New York Times and they
said, "Ah, Israeli officials spokesperson is concerned that Hamas
terrorists have uh crossed over the border into the Sinai along with uh uh
anything uh like 100,000 medical evacuees uh and people fleeing uh the
Gaza Strip. Okay. So they're creating the conditions for a 1978
uh PLO South Lebanon trap. And that's was the pretext Israel used to attack
Lebanon to invade and occupy South Lebanon. And they occupied for over two
decades effectively. So they're they are engineering the identical trap with
Israel, with Egypt and the Sinai. And by doing that, if they can claim they have intelligence or they can push
Palestinians into the Sinai, that gives Israel and the IDF uh license to attack
what they call terrorist targets in Egypt. And where is that going to end? Okay. And so I I think this is the thing
you're you're looking at a a big scam that is underway now. And the last thing they have intended to do is any kind of
peace ceasefire or stop the fighting. Israel always does one thing in negotiations. that's they drag they drag
it on to change facts on the ground and right now they're they're they're just about done partitioning the West Bank.
Okay. Uh by isolating East Jerusalem and so that whole situation and and annexing
the Jordan Valley. Okay, that's all in motion right now. That's all underway.
And the to to them to the to the hard right which is all of Israel at this point. Israel has shifted so far to the
right. Um it's uh it's it's they're looking at this as the final five yards of the the end final solution for Gaza.
That that's how they are seeing it. This is how they're publicly articulating it. So all of this stuff with peace deals,
Trump ceasefire, I wouldn't trust them as far as you could throw them. And I'll leave it there.
Yeah. Yeah. And Larry and and Matt, maybe we can end with your final comments. Uh as Patrick was talking
about the folly of uh trusting negotiations that have any uh role of
the United States and Israel in them uh in the press conference about this uh he
says this Donald Trump everyone has accepted this plan. I have a feeling we're going to get a positive answers.
If not as you know BB you have our full backing to do what you have to do. And I
think that sums up exactly what the US's and Trump's posture has been on this
from the very beginning, always with that caveat in there that Israel essentially has absolutely no um no
leash on it whatsoever. Uh Larry, uh you're muted, so unmute before you start, but yes, please. You're
Well, I agree. You know, I think Patrick did a great job of outlining both the historical context that this is, you
know, this is deja vu all over again as Yogi Barra said, uh, you know, it's it's
the past repeating, uh, at least along the same chords. Maybe some of the
specific notes are off, but the basic chord structure is the same. Uh and
Netanyahu apparently at this press conference because I've been seeing you know getting some flashes across my
screen basically reiterated that you know the a Palestinian state is still
unacceptable to Israel and this entire
um fantasy about you know Israel being this Zionist state and what I mean by
fantasy is its population 80% of the population came from Europe
primarily because you go back and you look at the census that was taken first in 1922 then in 1931
uh the Jewish population in 1931 was like 174,000
uh the Palestinian population was close to 800,000
and then within 20 years uh the the numbers had and completely flipped that
you had millions of of Jews. Well, they they just fall out of the sky. So, the
you know, they've stolen the land. They're not about to give back that stolen land. And uh it's going to be up
to Hamas and the various resistance groups to either find a way to fight it,
continue fighting, and ultimately weaken Israel or or be eliminated. I I would
simply note that, you know, three weeks ago, Israel launched its operation to
take full control of Gaza City. Well, here we are three weeks later.
You've got the Israeli military, Israeli Defense Force with every single advantage an army could have. I mean,
they've got full control of the air. They've got overhead satellites. They've got all sorts of intelligence collection
systems. They have artillery. They have tanks. They have armored personnel carriers.
And yet, and they have Hamas bottled up
in a specific area. You know, that's sort of like having Jim Buouie and Davy Crockett later locked in at the Alamo.
And yet, Israel can't beat him. They can't defeat him. They've had, for God's
sake, now two years, two full years to try. And it's not, you know, you hear
all these idiot western analysts make fun about, oh, the Russians haven't taken much territory. Yeah, they're
fighting a NATO pure force, a NATO force that has almost every kind of weapon
system that Russia has. And in spite of that, Russia keeps moving forward. It keeps killing more of them, unlike the
Israelis who have a confined area locked in and they can't defeat it.
that and right you know today as I mentioned earlier they're taking more casualties and so I I think Hamas is
content to try to bleed them out if they can because Israel cannot sustain the casualties
they will uh they're already down about two million people since the start of the war.
Yeah Matt, uh your final thoughts? Uh, I I've always found this to be one of the
most um the stark points uh that Larry just brought up is you do have the
resistance just they don't they don't give up. Uh not only do they not give up, but uh essentially Gaza is itself uh
what many have said is a prison literally built to do what is happening to the Palestinians right now, a
genocide. And yet the resistance doesn't stop. And I think this is a huge problem
both for the Israeli regime and the United States which sees of course Gaza and Palestine as a big part of its
overall power projection in the region. So your final thoughts on the situation
um overall the peace plan etc. wherever you want to go with it.
Uh sorry you're muted. I I think that the resistance point is
is huge. you know, like you've had two years nearly of three nuclear armed
powers uh basically throwing everything they have got at um this small little
bit of territory, you know, so 20 mi long and 45 mi wide and they can't beat
the resistance. And again, like you mentioned, this is a prison. Most of the weapons being used are repurposed
Israeli weapons because there's no way to get weapons in. So, it is an incredible uh campaign fought by the
resist the Palestinian resistance. Um, and I agree with Larry that that the
it's the longer it goes on for Israel, the worse it's going to get because they can't move. They haven't achieved any of
their goals. Hamas and the resistance are still active.
Hundreds of thousands of people are still in the parts of Gaza that they've wanted to move. nothing has been achieved apart from a complete
obliteration of their reputation around the world and arrest warrants for their prime minister and defense minister. So,
um it they probably do want to draw it to a close, but I I I also think that as they've gone on this long, it does
create the conditions for them to carry on because they can't stop until they
get some tangible victory because they haven't the the hostages that they have got back have been got through through
exchange deals. Most of them they have they have rescued. So they did the Nisarat massacre where they killed
nearly 300 Palestinians to rescue four hostages, but the majority have been got through exchanges. If the concern was to
get the hostages back, that's what they would have focused on, but that's not been their concern. Their concern has been to obliterate Gaza. But um I do
agree with Patrick that this is designed to fail just having read uh uh in a
cursory fashion what the stipulations are because they the Israelis uh firstly never
negotiate in good faith uh and uh secondly even when they sign up to deals
they don't hold to it. You know, there was a there was a a ceasefire on the first that came into came into effect
the first day of Trump's uh term in office in January, and then in March, 2
months later, they just completely broke it, and it was going to plan. That could have been a ceasefire that would have got all the hostages home um and would
have uh uh uh uh created uh peace. But they don't want peace. They want they
want they want to destroy Gaza, and they want their final solution. and they've got their pretext which they probably
are thinking we're never going to get again. So, um I think that they're designing this for Hamas to reject it
and as Patrick say that then gives them a propaganda weapon to say well we offered everything that they they they they needed and um uh they rejected us.
The other thing is it's also suicidal on the part of Hamas because the U the the Israelis
although they say we'll do an amnesty they will hunt down and kill every single p Hamas fighter and Hamas
negotiator they did it with you know with the shallot deal in 2006 and well he was taken in 2006 but released 5
years later and they hunted down all the people that were involved in negotiating that they bombed the negotiators in
Qatar as I mentioned last month um they will there's no way that they will abide
by allowing these people to leave and set up shop in another country and not hunt them down at some point. So from
Hamas's perspective, what have they got to lose? They either continue the resistance or uh and are taken out
eventually or they they go they they put down their weapons and and surrender and they're taken out in another way. So the
Israelis there's no way out for them. So the incentive is to carry on because in
some senses they're winning. You know, Israel's not achieved any of its goals. They're bleeding out the Israeli uh
society itself. There's a lot of problems for Netanyahu domestically. So why sign up to this Trump and Netanyahu
designed so-called uh peace deal? Yeah. Yeah. It definitely smells
fraudulent given how important it is for Israel to continue its uh onslaught
here. And all those points I think are are really good ones. Gentlemen, this
was a great show today. Hey, I want to make sure everyone knows uh that you can find Larry's blog, Patrick Substack, as
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you can uh check out all of his work, journalistic work, as well as I know you have a new book coming out, Matt. Um,
anything you guys want to plug before we head out and we can have it together.
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Donald Trump and Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth plan to wow audiences with speech backfires immediately as Hegseth's alarming order to waste military money and time of generals from around the world crumbles in deranged speech. John Iadarola and Sen. Nina Turner break it down on The Damage Report. Leave a comment with your thoughts below!
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No more beards, long hair, superficial
individual expression. We're going to
cut our hair, shave our shave our
beards, and adhere to standards.
Cuz it's like the broken windows theory
of policing. It's like when you let the
small stuff go, the big stuff eventually
goes. So, you have to address the small
stuff. We don't have a military full of
Nordic pagans.
But unfortunately, we have had leaders
who either refused to call BS and
enforce standards or leaders who felt
like they were not allowed to enforce
standards.
Both are unacceptable.
Yeah, I'm obviously not a big fan of
Pete Hegsith, but I do agree with him
that standards have been going down. I
mean, up until very recently, you
wouldn't have the uh Department of
Defense run by a goddamn daytime TV
host. Look how the standards have fallen
apart over time. you wouldn't have
apparently an alleged raging alcoholic,
an alleged sexual abuser. You wouldn't
have those sorts of things as the
Secretary of Defense, but now you do.
Man, the standards have just fallen
apart. Um, but I do like what he said.
You cannot be a leader. You can't be
strong and have a beard. Uh, he
specifically said we can't have fat
generals anymore. If you're fat, if you
have a beard, I mean, obviously you
can't be a strong leader. Does he know
who occupies the White House? It's not I
don't have an issue with it, but he
appears to. Can Trump be a strong
leader? The dude's been obese since the
late 80s. JD Vance evidently needs to
shave his goddamn beard because he's
doing superficial stuff that's making
him not a good leader. So, I am now
calling on JD Vance and Matt Walsh who
are hiding their face, which I've always
found to be very suspicious behind
beers. They need to shave those goddamn
things off because according to Pete
Exit, you can't be a strong conservative
if you've got that stuff. But anyway,
look, jokes aside, that is the Fox and
Friends dude lecturing sci-woke scolding
a room full of generals and admirals.
Can you imagine being a person who has
served in the military for 32 years and
you have to fly across the world to sit
in a room and have the dude who used to
chat with Pete Ducey tell you about what
it means to be a warrior. Can you
imagine how little respect that room has
for Pete Haggsith? Okay. And then he's
going to teach them about the warrior
ethos according to him. He's even going
to plug his stupid little book. Take a
look. For too long, we've promoted too
many uniform leaders for the wrong
reasons
based on their race, based on gender
quotas, based on historic so-called
firsts.
We've pretended that combat arms and
non-combat arms are the same thing. We
became the woke department.
But not anymore. Today, at my direction,
each service will ensure that every
requirement for every combat MOS
for every designated combat arms
position returns to the highest male
standard only. When it comes to any job
that requires physical power to perform
in combat, those physical standards must
be high and genderneutral.
If women can make it, excellent. If not,
it is what it is. You might say we're
ending the war on warriors.
I heard someone wrote a book about that.
Yeah. Nobody Nobody else was saying
that. You're just saying it to promote
your stupid book. And I get that like
this entire administration is just Fox
News people running a continuing grift
and like barking at people about
wokeness or whatever, but like we we
don't we don't care about your book.
None of those generals give one godamn
tiny little nugget of a crap about your
stupid book. I'm being completely
serious here. They don't care about any
of that stuff. It's no longer the
department of woke. Oh, you know, for
decades and decades, we've only been
concerned about wokeness. That's what's
going on. This is just the Fox News
presidency. It has no bearing
relationship to the real world. And
look, his speech was self- serving and
deranged. I'm going to give you a little
bit of Donald Trump because Donald
Trump, of course, he heard that there
was a big meeting or whatever. See, he
decided to go and we're going to give
you the highlights, but just to be
clear, he didn't like prep remarks for
them. He just did his normal dementia
stream of unconsciousness. Take a look.
Identity of the Department of War. I
love the name. I think it's so great. I
think it stops worse. And I'm not a fan
of some of the ships you do. I'm a very
aesthetic person. said, "I don't like
some of the ships you're doing." And
they said, "We'd like to name it the
F47."
I said, "All right, let me think about
it." Then after thinking for about 2
seconds, I said, "Okay,
you know what that means, 47? I'm 47. So
I'm 45, 46, and 47." You know, if you
think about it, we're under invasion
from within.
No different than a foreign enemy, but
more difficult in many ways because they
don't wear uniforms. At least when
they're wearing a uniform, you can take
them out. These people don't have
uniforms. And you know what the people
say? The people in those cities where
they're being raped and shot and beat
up. You know what they say? We love the
milit. You ever see where they interview
the people on the street? I've never
seen somebody say they don't unless
they're radical and paid off because a
lot of these insurrectionists are paid
by
whether Soros or other people.
Yeah. So that was just him. He talked
about tariffs. He talked about the auto
pen. He talked about how he likes some
some ships look good and other ships
don't look good. goddamn Navy general
like admirals are watching that and
they're like this is the
commanderin-chief my god and he kept he
talked about Biden he kept trying to do
partisan stuff expecting that they would
laugh or like cheer him and they didn't
whatever limited respect they had for
either of those two men is now utterly
gone I am sure but the important part
Nina is the constant uh talk about uh
like sending the military in and
conquering US cities He said it's a war
with from within. It's the same. It's
Soros, by the way. Some Jewish
billionaire is funding an insurrection,
so we need to go conquer them. He said,
uh, we're going to use these dangerous
cities as training grounds for our
military.
Uh, Hegsith said, "We're not going to
fight with stupid rules of engagement."
Obviously, Hegith, when he was in the
media, was a massive advocate for war
criminals and people who executed
civilians. So, he's continuing to do
that now as a secretary of defense or
whatever the hell they want to call it.
And so, this is, look, this is pathetic.
It's ridiculous, but it's also
incredibly dark. Um, he's basically
saying to all these generals, get in
line. We're going to start invading
cities. What do you think?
Yeah, I was thinking about the Geneva
Convention and the rules of war. And I
put that in air quotes, and that this
dude just basically said, we're throwing
all of that out. He talked about
violence against recruits that drill
sergeants should be able to use physical
violence against their recruits. His
quote on for for too long we promoted
military leaders for the wrong reasons
like gender and race. Yeah, you have.
And it has been basically the measure
has been white men uh the majority of
the time of the existence of this
country and the existence of military in
this country. I mean, this is just
utterly ridiculous and it is a microcosm
of a larger issue that we're going to
continue to have in American society.
So, I know our producer said we got a
break. This is my answer to everything
you just said, John. I'mma have papers
all over this room. It's just is this
these people are mad, okay? And they're
going to get people hurt. It's bad
enough we're already going through what
we're going through right now. And to
just really women, you know, have to he
said it's not gonna be gendered, but it
is gendered. I mean, John, any of that
stuff.
Yeah.
Women now. It's not gonna be gender, but
women have to measure up to to a male
gender physical standards. Man, what are
you saying? Then you are saying it's
gendered. Just go ahead and say you
don't want women. You don't want blacks.
You don't want other people of color.
You certainly don't want people from the
gay community. You you don't want
anybody but a standard prototype y
that the United States that people like
you have determined are the most
worthiest in this country. Yeah. I feel
sad for those generals and those
admirals because they are trained to
take those orders and they had to sit
through this man both of those men doing
what they did and then how can you war
your way to peace. We can't. Why are we
like like you said, we're promoting war
on ci American cities and then you're
promoting war around the world.
Yeah.
This stuff is gonna blow back on
innocent people. Most of the people in
this country are innocent. They didn't
ask for this and there's going to be no
consequences or repercussions for those
people who are promoting this kind of
stuff. John, this is this is dangerous
territory
in terms of blowback. I mean, think
about how people, even people who are
like pro- mass deportation, their view
of ICE has drastically gone down because
of what they've been seeing. Think about
what this is going to do for people's
view of the National Guard and of the
branches of the military. They're going
to be conquering us.
Got a goddamn TV host and a dude who has
been mocking the very idea of service
for decades. Anti-woke scolding a room
full of actual military professionals.
Yeah,
it's utterly pathetic. We were in a very
dark place.
The Damage Report
Sep 30, 2025 #TheDamageReport #JohnIadarola #TheYoungTurks
Donald Trump and Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth plan to wow audiences with speech backfires immediately as Hegseth's alarming order to waste military money and time of generals from around the world crumbles in deranged speech. John Iadarola and Sen. Nina Turner break it down on The Damage Report. Leave a comment with your thoughts below!
Transcript
No more beards, long hair, superficial
individual expression. We're going to
cut our hair, shave our shave our
beards, and adhere to standards.
Cuz it's like the broken windows theory
of policing. It's like when you let the
small stuff go, the big stuff eventually
goes. So, you have to address the small
stuff. We don't have a military full of
Nordic pagans.
But unfortunately, we have had leaders
who either refused to call BS and
enforce standards or leaders who felt
like they were not allowed to enforce
standards.
Both are unacceptable.
Yeah, I'm obviously not a big fan of
Pete Hegsith, but I do agree with him
that standards have been going down. I
mean, up until very recently, you
wouldn't have the uh Department of
Defense run by a goddamn daytime TV
host. Look how the standards have fallen
apart over time. you wouldn't have
apparently an alleged raging alcoholic,
an alleged sexual abuser. You wouldn't
have those sorts of things as the
Secretary of Defense, but now you do.
Man, the standards have just fallen
apart. Um, but I do like what he said.
You cannot be a leader. You can't be
strong and have a beard. Uh, he
specifically said we can't have fat
generals anymore. If you're fat, if you
have a beard, I mean, obviously you
can't be a strong leader. Does he know
who occupies the White House? It's not I
don't have an issue with it, but he
appears to. Can Trump be a strong
leader? The dude's been obese since the
late 80s. JD Vance evidently needs to
shave his goddamn beard because he's
doing superficial stuff that's making
him not a good leader. So, I am now
calling on JD Vance and Matt Walsh who
are hiding their face, which I've always
found to be very suspicious behind
beers. They need to shave those goddamn
things off because according to Pete
Exit, you can't be a strong conservative
if you've got that stuff. But anyway,
look, jokes aside, that is the Fox and
Friends dude lecturing sci-woke scolding
a room full of generals and admirals.
Can you imagine being a person who has
served in the military for 32 years and
you have to fly across the world to sit
in a room and have the dude who used to
chat with Pete Ducey tell you about what
it means to be a warrior. Can you
imagine how little respect that room has
for Pete Haggsith? Okay. And then he's
going to teach them about the warrior
ethos according to him. He's even going
to plug his stupid little book. Take a
look. For too long, we've promoted too
many uniform leaders for the wrong
reasons
based on their race, based on gender
quotas, based on historic so-called
firsts.
We've pretended that combat arms and
non-combat arms are the same thing. We
became the woke department.
But not anymore. Today, at my direction,
each service will ensure that every
requirement for every combat MOS
for every designated combat arms
position returns to the highest male
standard only. When it comes to any job
that requires physical power to perform
in combat, those physical standards must
be high and genderneutral.
If women can make it, excellent. If not,
it is what it is. You might say we're
ending the war on warriors.
I heard someone wrote a book about that.
Yeah. Nobody Nobody else was saying
that. You're just saying it to promote
your stupid book. And I get that like
this entire administration is just Fox
News people running a continuing grift
and like barking at people about
wokeness or whatever, but like we we
don't we don't care about your book.
None of those generals give one godamn
tiny little nugget of a crap about your
stupid book. I'm being completely
serious here. They don't care about any
of that stuff. It's no longer the
department of woke. Oh, you know, for
decades and decades, we've only been
concerned about wokeness. That's what's
going on. This is just the Fox News
presidency. It has no bearing
relationship to the real world. And
look, his speech was self- serving and
deranged. I'm going to give you a little
bit of Donald Trump because Donald
Trump, of course, he heard that there
was a big meeting or whatever. See, he
decided to go and we're going to give
you the highlights, but just to be
clear, he didn't like prep remarks for
them. He just did his normal dementia
stream of unconsciousness. Take a look.
Identity of the Department of War. I
love the name. I think it's so great. I
think it stops worse. And I'm not a fan
of some of the ships you do. I'm a very
aesthetic person. said, "I don't like
some of the ships you're doing." And
they said, "We'd like to name it the
F47."
I said, "All right, let me think about
it." Then after thinking for about 2
seconds, I said, "Okay,
you know what that means, 47? I'm 47. So
I'm 45, 46, and 47." You know, if you
think about it, we're under invasion
from within.
No different than a foreign enemy, but
more difficult in many ways because they
don't wear uniforms. At least when
they're wearing a uniform, you can take
them out. These people don't have
uniforms. And you know what the people
say? The people in those cities where
they're being raped and shot and beat
up. You know what they say? We love the
milit. You ever see where they interview
the people on the street? I've never
seen somebody say they don't unless
they're radical and paid off because a
lot of these insurrectionists are paid
by
whether Soros or other people.
Yeah. So that was just him. He talked
about tariffs. He talked about the auto
pen. He talked about how he likes some
some ships look good and other ships
don't look good. goddamn Navy general
like admirals are watching that and
they're like this is the
commanderin-chief my god and he kept he
talked about Biden he kept trying to do
partisan stuff expecting that they would
laugh or like cheer him and they didn't
whatever limited respect they had for
either of those two men is now utterly
gone I am sure but the important part
Nina is the constant uh talk about uh
like sending the military in and
conquering US cities He said it's a war
with from within. It's the same. It's
Soros, by the way. Some Jewish
billionaire is funding an insurrection,
so we need to go conquer them. He said,
uh, we're going to use these dangerous
cities as training grounds for our
military.
Uh, Hegsith said, "We're not going to
fight with stupid rules of engagement."
Obviously, Hegith, when he was in the
media, was a massive advocate for war
criminals and people who executed
civilians. So, he's continuing to do
that now as a secretary of defense or
whatever the hell they want to call it.
And so, this is, look, this is pathetic.
It's ridiculous, but it's also
incredibly dark. Um, he's basically
saying to all these generals, get in
line. We're going to start invading
cities. What do you think?
Yeah, I was thinking about the Geneva
Convention and the rules of war. And I
put that in air quotes, and that this
dude just basically said, we're throwing
all of that out. He talked about
violence against recruits that drill
sergeants should be able to use physical
violence against their recruits. His
quote on for for too long we promoted
military leaders for the wrong reasons
like gender and race. Yeah, you have.
And it has been basically the measure
has been white men uh the majority of
the time of the existence of this
country and the existence of military in
this country. I mean, this is just
utterly ridiculous and it is a microcosm
of a larger issue that we're going to
continue to have in American society.
So, I know our producer said we got a
break. This is my answer to everything
you just said, John. I'mma have papers
all over this room. It's just is this
these people are mad, okay? And they're
going to get people hurt. It's bad
enough we're already going through what
we're going through right now. And to
just really women, you know, have to he
said it's not gonna be gendered, but it
is gendered. I mean, John, any of that
stuff.
Yeah.
Women now. It's not gonna be gender, but
women have to measure up to to a male
gender physical standards. Man, what are
you saying? Then you are saying it's
gendered. Just go ahead and say you
don't want women. You don't want blacks.
You don't want other people of color.
You certainly don't want people from the
gay community. You you don't want
anybody but a standard prototype y
that the United States that people like
you have determined are the most
worthiest in this country. Yeah. I feel
sad for those generals and those
admirals because they are trained to
take those orders and they had to sit
through this man both of those men doing
what they did and then how can you war
your way to peace. We can't. Why are we
like like you said, we're promoting war
on ci American cities and then you're
promoting war around the world.
Yeah.
This stuff is gonna blow back on
innocent people. Most of the people in
this country are innocent. They didn't
ask for this and there's going to be no
consequences or repercussions for those
people who are promoting this kind of
stuff. John, this is this is dangerous
territory
in terms of blowback. I mean, think
about how people, even people who are
like pro- mass deportation, their view
of ICE has drastically gone down because
of what they've been seeing. Think about
what this is going to do for people's
view of the National Guard and of the
branches of the military. They're going
to be conquering us.
Got a goddamn TV host and a dude who has
been mocking the very idea of service
for decades. Anti-woke scolding a room
full of actual military professionals.
Yeah,
it's utterly pathetic. We were in a very
dark place.
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