The Israeli historian Elon Pappe argues that Israel is imploding. He defines the current far-right government of Benjamin Netanyahu as neozionist, meaning that the old values of Zionism have become more extreme, more openly racist, more supremacist, and more violent. This neozionist state has abandoned the incremental approach to slow motion ethnic cleansing of Palestinians which characterized past Zionist governments. It is using genocide as a weapon to empty the Gaza Strip of Palestinians and soon perhaps the West Bank.
It is dominated by Jewish extremists that have turned Israel into what he calls the state of Judea, distinct from the old state of Israel. The state of Judea, run by fanatic Jewish colonists, 750,000 of whom live in the West Bank, fuses religious Zionism, with Orthodox Judaism. It seeks to establish an Israeli empire that will dominate its Arab neighbors, especially Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria. The hatred for Palestinians by those who run this neo-zionist state, the state of Judea, extends towards secular Israeli Jews. This, he argues, means that ultimately Israel will fracture, making Israel unsustainable. At the same time, as the American empire unravels, a process accelerated by the ineptitude and corruption of the Trump administration, Israel's fundamental pillar of support will erode, forcing retrenchment by the United States, including in the Middle East.
What will the collapse of Israel mean for Israelis, Palestinians, and the Middle East? Will it usher in a process of decolonization? Or will it foster even more violence, bloodletting, and extremism? Will it be
possible to replace Israel with a secular state, one where Palestinians have equal rights with Israelis, a
country of one person, one vote? Or will Israel atrophy into a despotic theocracy with its educated secular elite fleeing the country and its economy disintegrating under the onslaught?
Joining me to discuss the future of Israel and his book Israel On the Brink is Elon Pappe, professor of history at the College of Social Sciences and International Studies at the University of Exiter in the UK and director of the university's European Center for Palestine Studies. His other books include the ethnic cleansing of
Palestine, 10 myths about Israel, and a history of modern Palestine.
-- Is Israel 'On the Brink?' (w/ Legendary Israeli Historian Ilan Pappé). The Chris Hedges YouTube Channel. Oct 29, 2025
We have decided to sign a 5-year
bilateral defense cooperation with this
country. And we continue to work hand in
hand with the states committing that
genocide.
And in doing so
supposedly kind of secure the island
for themselves. This is what the agenda
is here.
And this is also why the last
two years have been reports of Cypress
being given as well uh Israeli defense
systems which I think were recently
confirmed as well. And I had noticed
this in the initial stages around uh
pretty much since the early days of 2024
when I found it alarming as to why
Cypress all of a sudden uh was
accumulating or being given Israeli air
defense systems. I was concerned as to
how what what exactly is the plan that
they're trying to prepare Cypress for.
What is Cypress going to be defending
itself against? Yes, there is an
occupation, but pretty there is a there
there's a there's a relative the
conflict is frozen. So, there's a
relative calm. There's a status quo to
all of a sudden be escalating air
defense systems from Israel inside of
Cyprus. It goes to show that there's an
agenda here as well. And the agenda that
they have for Cyprus is to expel Turkey
in order to limit Turkey's influence
within the region because Israel wants
to be the dominating influence in the
region.
And this fits part and parcel
with the greater Israel plan. The idea
is to expand and accumulate as much
territory as possible. I mean, this is
how colonialism operates. They want to
take vast territory. They want to
control Syria. This is why they're
occupying Syria at the moment. This is
why they're using the Dru. using the the
conflicts that have arisen after the the
the overthrow of Assad inside Syria in
order to be able to kind of uh you know
divide and conquer Syria in order to
probably bulcanize Syria or take control
of the vast territories of Syria again
fitting within the greater Israel plan.
And now they're trying to do the same
thing in Cyprus. And they're also trying
to do the same thing in Lebanon by
creating intersectionist or kind of
fueling the intersectionalist tensions
within Lebanon in order to basically
justify and provide pretext to
constantly um sort of militarily
intervene and occupy Lebanon which they
are occupying five key territories
inside of Lebanon and they are refusing
to leave.
Cyprus is now the next point
of contestation and it's going to be the
Cypriot public that is going to suffer
the cost because Turkey is a strong
military. This is a fact and even though
Israel itself is backed by the United
States etc. uh if there's going to be
any sort of tension that's going to be
created between Israel and Turkey and
using the Cypriot people as as bait
essentially this is going to completely
destroy the island and it's going to
it's going to bring about again the
tensions within the Cypriot population uh
and it's and and any sort of
attempt to liberate the island
from the north without any resolution
between the two communities and the
unfortunate bloody history that has
taken place is going to merely generate
more tensions within the public that
will then justify further imperialist
intervention on the island. Therefore,
forever depleting any opportunity for
this place to unify peacefully, but also
to be a sovereign independent state,
which is why Cypriots should be very
alarmed about what's happening. But the
vast majority of them, I don't think,
know, especially from a certain
generation upwards that may not be are
relying on Cypriots media to relay this
information to them, they are not aware
of the extent of the dangers in their
country.
I've seen certain reports, and by the way
uh you're quite right to point out that
size of uh Turkey Turkey's army is
formidable. It's the second largest army
in NATO by a significant margin over
every other uh European country. Um uh
I've seen reports of aite considerable
military buildup uh by the Turkish
forces in the north of Cypress in the
occupied part of Cypress. Are those
reports accurate and do we know the
extent of that buildup?
I I mean I believe those reports are
rather accurate because as I said um I
don't I I don't have I haven't seen any
other way to verify this is information
as well that I have seen come out of out
of the north uh in media outlets out of
the north. Um the criate media has
touched on it. Um so therefore I believe
that it is that this is currently
happening but this is part and parcel of
response to the current tensions that
are happening now between Israel and
Turkey and um because of Israel's as
I've said they're constantly in like
trying to integrate Cyprus into this
greater Israel project and but to do so
you do need to expel Turkey. Turkey
however itself has its own agenda in
Cyprus. I mean the entire reason that
they have occupied the north of Cypus
because it was part and parcel of a plan
that was laid out by President Johnson
from the United States uh in 1964. This
was really and this was a part of the
idea of appeasing both Greece and Turkey
at the time which were NATO states in
order to secure the eastern frontier
from the USSR. So the idea was to give
the north part of Cypress to Turkey
because it's essential for its own
surveillance and military security. This
is why the northern part of Cyprus is so
significant to Turkey as well. And
they're not about to just simply allow
Israel to infiltrate into the south and
try to so-called liberate or cause any
tensions that will threaten their own
security interests in the region, which
I said it's not just happening in Cypus.
We've also seen these tensions between
Turkey and Israel also take part
happening in Syria as well. And it's
also going to begin happening in
Lebanon because Turkey also has a vested
interest for its own military, its own
economic sort of ambitions within
Lebanon to have significant control over
the north of Lebanon, which again is
something that does not appease Israel.
But at the same time, I don't even think
it appeases the United States in many
ways because Turkey is a
very big country. It has a powerful
military. it is an important um uh it's
it's become one of the most if not the
most powerful sort of player in West
Asia and this threatens Israel but it
also threatens the United States who
wants to be the dominant party within
the region for economic purposes for uh
you know in order to be able to control
resources and trade routes etc. And
having a Turkey that is at this point
becoming far too powerful impedes on the
interests as well of western states.
So what we're going to see, I believe in
Cypress, is that we're going to see
Israel uh try to antagonize Turkey
through Cyprus, as we're seeing in
Syria as well.
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