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by Amy Goodman
DemocracyNow!
November 03, 2025
https://www.democracynow.org/2025/11/3/headlines



42 Million Americans Lose Food Benefits as Trump Holds Gatsby-Themed Party
Nov 03, 2025

The U.S. federal government shutdown has entered its 34th day. Two federal judges ruled Friday that the Department of Agriculture must partially disburse funds for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) and ordered the Trump administration to provide an update by today. Food banks and nonprofits nationwide are scrambling to meet the needs of 42 million Americans, including 16 million children, whose SNAP benefits were cut off over the weekend.

On Friday, President Trump held a lavish “Great Gatsby”-themed Halloween party at Mar-a-Lago just hours before tens of millions of people lost SNAP benefits. Democratic Senator Chris Murphy wrote on social media, “The way he rubs his inhumanity in Americans’ face never ceases to stun me. He’s illegally refusing to pay food stamp benefits… …while he throws a ridiculously over the top Gatsby party for his right wing millionaire and corporate friends.”

Meanwhile, nearly 13,000 air traffic controllers are working without pay due to the shutdown. CNN reports there have been 98 “staffing trigger” reports at airports since Friday, meaning air traffic controllers had to alter operations due to staff shortages.

Israel Continues to Carry Out Attacks in Gaza Despite U.S.-Brokered Ceasefire
Nov 03, 2025

Israel is continuing to carry out attacks in Gaza, shelling eastern areas of Deir al-Balah and the Nuseirat refugee camp. Israel has killed at least 236 Palestinians since the ceasefire went into effect on October 10. Officials in Gaza have accused Israel of also violating the ceasefire by allowing into Gaza just 24% of the aid trucks promised under the deal.

On Sunday, Hamas returned the bodies of three more Israeli soldiers who were killed during the October 7 attack.


Israeli Forces and Settlers Kill Two Palestinians in the Occupied West Bank
Nov 03, 2025

In the occupied West Bank, Israeli forces and settlers killed two Palestinians early today. Israel also detained at least 15 Palestinians in overnight raids. On Friday, mourners gathered near Ramallah for the funeral of 15-year-old Yamen Samed Hamed, who was killed in an Israeli raid. This is Laila Ghannam, the governor of Ramallah.

Gov. Laila Ghannam: “The genocide continues, not only in Gaza, but in all of Palestine, because they want to say to all the world, 'We are in control. We occupy all the world, not only Palestine.' There are daily executions. This is a child who was executed, like our children, our women and our elders were executed in cold blood, because those who do not fear punishment will misbehave. The world should take a stand.”

Former Top Lawyer for Israeli Military Arrested for Leaking Video of Soldiers Raping Palestinian Prisoner
Nov 03, 2025

The former top lawyer of the Israeli military has been arrested for her role in the leak of surveillance video that showed Israeli soldiers gang-raping a Palestinian prisoner at the Sde Teiman prison last year. The military lawyer, Major General Yifat Tomer-Yerushalmi, was arrested after being reported missing on Sunday. She resigned last week. Five of the Israeli soldiers seen in the video were criminally prosecuted. At the time, Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said the soldiers should be treated like “heroes, not villains.”

Israel Threatens to Step Up Attacks in Lebanon Despite Last Year’s Ceasefire
Nov 03, 2025

Israel is threatening to step up its attacks in Lebanon. Earlier today, Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz accused the Lebanese government of delaying efforts to dismantle Hezbollah. Overnight Israeli drone strikes killed four people in southern Lebanon.

Trump Says Maduro’s Days Are Numbered in Venezuela as U.S. Strikes Another Boat in Caribbean
Nov 03, 2025

On Saturday, the U.S. bombed another boat in the Caribbean, killing at least three people. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth claimed the boat was carrying drugs, but offered no proof. The U.S. has now bombed 15 boats, killing at least 64 people, over the past two months. U.N. human rights chief Volker Türk has denounced the U.S. attacks. Türk’s spokesperson, Ravina Shamdasani, spoke on Friday.

Ravina Shamdasani: “These attacks and their mounting human costs are unacceptable. The U.S. must halt such attacks and take all measures necessary to prevent the extrajudicial killing of people aboard these boats, whatever the criminal conduct alleged against them.”

In related news, The Washington Post reports the Justice Department has told lawmakers that the War Powers Resolution does not apply to the boat strikes because U.S. service members have not been put in harm’s way. Former State Department lawyer Brian Finucane told The Washington Post, “It’s a wild claim of executive authority.”

This comes as the U.S. continues to amass more ships and aircraft near Venezuela. During an interview on “60 Minutes,” CBS’s Norah O’Donnell questioned Trump about Venezuela.

Norah O’Donnell: “On Venezuela in particular, are Maduro’s days as president numbered?”

President Donald Trump: “I would say yeah. I think so, yeah.”


Norah O’Donnell: “And this issue of potential land strikes in Venezuela, is that true?”

President Donald Trump: “I don’t tell you that. I mean, I’m not saying it’s true or untrue.”

Trump Threatens to Go into Nigeria “Guns-a-Blazing” over Attacks on Christians
Nov 03, 2025

President Trump is threatening military intervention in Nigeria, accusing the government of failing to protect Christians. In a post on Truth Social, Trump wrote in part, “The U.S.A. will immediately stop all aid and assistance to Nigeria, and may very well go into that now disgraced country, 'guns-a-blazing,' … If we attack, it will be fast, vicious, and sweet, just like the terrorist thugs attack our CHERISHED Christians!” Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth replied to the post by writing, “Yes sir.” Speaking to reporters yesterday, President Trump again vowed to take action in Nigeria.

President Donald Trump: “They’re killing record numbers of Christians in Nigeria. And they have other countries very bad also. You know that. That part of the world, very bad. They’re killing the Christians and killing them in very large numbers. We’re not going to allow that to happen.”

But organizations monitoring violence in the region say there is no evidence to suggest that Christians are killed more than other religious groups in Nigeria. This is Malik Samuel, a senior researcher at Good Governance Africa.

Malik Samuel: “This is not a Christian genocide, because the facts don’t support it. If you look at the areas where this conflict is rife, even in the — even if you take Borno state alone, you look at northern Borno, many of these communities are Muslim-dominated. So most of the victims of Boko Haram violence are Muslims.”

Head of Red Cross: “History Repeating” in Sudan’s Darfur Region
Nov 03, 2025

The head of the Red Cross says history is repeating itself in Sudan’s Darfur region after reports of mass killings by the Rapid Support Forces (RSF) paramilitary group in the city of El Fasher. It comes as Sudan’s government says the RSF has killed at least 2,000 people since the paramilitary group has seized control of El Fasher, but witnesses say the death toll could be much higher, as tens of thousands of civilians remain trapped in the city.

Federal Immigration Agents in Evanston Brutally Beat Man, Point Gun At Residents
Nov 03, 2025

The mayor of Evanston, Illinois, has opened two investigations into the actions of federal immigration agents. On Friday, one agent was filmed repeatedly punching a man in the head while the man was pinned to the pavement. Moments earlier, an agent pointed a gun at a group of bystanders.

Bystander: “Get out of here! Put the gun away! Are you going to shoot people?”

Evanston Mayor Daniel Biss denounced the federal agents.

Mayor Daniel Biss: ”ICE agents have assaulted Evanston residents, beaten people up, grabbed them, abducted them, taking people off the street once again because of the color of their skin. It is an outrage. Our message for ICE is simple: Get the hell out of Evanston.”

On “60 Minutes,” CBS’s Norah O’Donnell questioned President Trump about federal immigration agents using violent tactics.

Norah O’Donnell: “More recently, Americans have been watching videos of ICE tackling a young mother, tear gas being used in a Chicago residential neighborhood” —

President Donald Trump: “Mm-hmm.”

Norah O’Donnell: — “and the smashing of car windows. Have some of these raids gone too far?”

President Donald Trump: “No, I think they haven’t gone far enough, because we’ve been held back by the — by the judges, by the liberal judges that were put in by Biden and by Obama.”

Norah O’Donnell: “You’re OK with those tactics?”

President Donald Trump: “Yeah, because you have to get the people out.”


Mexican Mayor Shot and Killed During Day of the Dead Celebrations
Nov 03, 2025

A mayor in Mexico was shot and killed in a crowded plaza during Day of the Dead celebrations on Saturday. Carlos Alberto Manzo Rodríguez, mayor of Uruapan in the western state of Michoacán, had been an outspoken critic of drug cartels and organized crime.

U.N. Security Council Backs Morocco’s Plan for Western Sahara
Nov 03, 2025

The United Nations Security Council has adopted a U.S.-backed resolution supporting Morocco’s autonomy plan for Western Sahara as the basis for negotiations on the territory’s political future. Morocco has occupied Western Sahara for 50 years. Ten countries joined the United States in supporting the measure. Russia, China and Pakistan abstained. Algeria did not cast a vote. The Polisario Front, the Sahrawi liberation movement seeking independence, denounced the vote, saying it would not take part in “any peace process or negotiations based on proposals that aim to legitimize the Moroccan military occupation.” Click here to see our coverage of Western Sahara over the years.

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“Denying People the Right to Food”: Millions Could Go Hungry as Trump Admin Holds Up SNAP Benefits
by Amy Goodman
DemocracyNow!
November 03, 2025
https://www.democracynow.org/2025/11/3/ ... transcript





As the U.S. federal government shutdown enters its second month, over 40 million people are now struggling to feed themselves and their families after SNAP food assistance was cut off over the weekend. “We are headed for a major public health and economic crisis,” says child hunger expert Mariana Chilton. She adds that by refusing to disburse SNAP benefits, “the Trump administration is breaking the law.”

Transcript

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AMY GOODMAN: The U.S. federal government shutdown has entered its 34th day. Two federal judges ruled Friday the Department of Agriculture must partially disburse funds for SNAP — that’s the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program — and ordered the Trump administration to provide an update by today. Food banks and nonprofits nationwide are scrambling to meet the needs of 42 million people whose SNAP benefits were cut off over the weekend, including an estimated 16 million children.

This all comes as President Trump held a lavish, Great Gatsby Halloween party at Mar-a-Lago just hours before the tens of millions of people lost SNAP benefits, which we’ll talk more about in a minute.

But first, we’re joined by Mariana Chilton, professor of practice in the Department of Nutrition at the School of Public Health and Health Sciences at the University of Massachusetts Amherst. She’s a nationally recognized leader in child hunger in America, author of The Painful Truth About Hunger in America.

Welcome to Democracy Now!, Professor Chilton. If you can start off by talking about what tens of millions of people in this country face today, and particularly the 16 million children who have lost their SNAP benefits? What does this mean?

MARIANA CHILTON: It means that we are headed for a public health and an economic crisis. It’s important to remember who participates in SNAP and what SNAP actually achieves. First of all, SNAP supports — 90% of the people who are on SNAP benefits are American citizens. And the rest, 10%, are here — are immigrants who are here legally and who have been here for over five years. The vast majority of SNAP participants are children and working — with working parents and the elderly and the disabled, veterans and active-duty military. So this affects all different types of people in our society, and it’s going to be devastating if these — if the Trump administration refuses to disburse the SNAP benefit dollars that are there.

It’s important to remember that SNAP does three things. First of all, it prevents hunger. SNAP was created to prevent malnutrition and children dying of starvation.
Back in the '60s, pediatricians and nurses were discovering that children were dying of starvation and that pregnant moms were losing their children or giving birth to preterm babies. And they worked with members of Congress to develop the modern SNAP program. And thanks to SNAP, we do not have children dying of hunger. Secondly, it promotes health and well-being of children. It keeps them out of the hospital. It actually also helps them to stay in school, and it helps them with their school performance in math and reading. Thirdly, SNAP stimulates the economy. For every $1 that's spent on SNAP benefits, $1.50 to $1.80 is stimulated in local economies. So, if we don’t get SNAP back and running, up and running, we’re really headed for a major public health and economic crisis.

AMY GOODMAN: So, you have these two judges who said, by Wednesday, SNAP benefits must be partially returned. What does it mean to say the money for SNAP is going to run out? You also have President Trump saying food stamp benefits paid in November will unfortunately be delayed.

MARIANA CHILTON: The Trump administration is currently breaking the law. SNAP is an entitlement program, and it is written into statute that no matter what is happening in Congress, even if Congress is shut down, there are contingency funds to ensure that no one goes hungry in America. SNAP is a fantastic public assistance program. It’s one that people look to around the world as the most effective public assistance program that prevents hunger. And it was built to withstand any kind of political footballing or crisis. And it is meant to respond to all kinds of economic downturns, whether that’s a national economic downturn or when families are falling onto hard times. So, the fact that the Trump administration is withholding this money, they are actively breaking the law, and they are denying people the right to food.

AMY GOODMAN: This all comes as the Trump administration announced it’s ending the U.S. annual report on food insecurity and hunger in America. How important is this report, Professor Chilton?

MARIANA CHILTON: Well, this report is based on years and years of data collection. The food security measure has been in operation for more than 25 years, and it was developed by scientists and social workers who were discovering food insecurity and hunger in their communities, and they developed a measure to look at that. And that was the way that we could see how well SNAP and other nutrition assistance programs, like school breakfast and lunch and the WIC program, which funds food for pregnant and lactating mothers and young children under the age of 5 — it was a way for us to see how well our programs were working at preventing hunger. So, it’s an extremely important measure, based on scientific expertise, and it has withstood multiple rounds of scientific investigation poking at it from all sides, and it has withstood all types of peer review. So, the fact that the U.S. government is no longer utilizing that measure or not allowing those numbers to be released should be deeply concerning, at the same time that they’re withholding funds from SNAP.


SNAP is really a way — it helps to hold up our democracy. It is an entitlement program, again. And it’s really important to think about why it is that they’re doing this. They are actively trying to cause harm and chaos to the American people. And this is something that I talk about in my book, is the experience of disrespect, the experience of violence and discrimination. Those are at the root of food insecurity and hunger. And right now the Trump administration is giving us a master class in how to generate more hunger in our society. This is why SNAP needs to be continued and released.

Another thing that’s really important to remember is that SNAP supplements wages. And the reason that we have SNAP in the first place is that when people are working, they’re not making enough money because employers like Amazon and Walmart are refusing to pay living wages. So, let’s really not just focus on the Trump administration, but let’s look at giant employers and see what it is that they can do to ensure that there’s a living wage where people do not have to participate in SNAP and do not have to rely on Medicaid. There’s no one I’ve met in the 25 years that I’ve been working on food insecurity that wants to be on the SNAP program. They want to make a living wage and feed their families and their communities in a way that is dignified and respectful and that actually builds solidarity. Something that’s so important to remember is that the way you build democracy is to make sure that everyone has healthy and nutritious food on the table.

AMY GOODMAN: And let’s remember that the Democrats are saying that they will not agree to ending the government shutdown unless the Republicans agree to SNAP and healthcare. And this weekend, many people learned their out-of-pocket costs for Obamacare will go up over 100%, on average 26%, and also enhanced tax credits expiring. The significance of losing healthcare, because if you can’t pay for it, you lose it, and losing food assistance? We have 30 seconds.

MARIANA CHILTON: Remember that food assistance promotes health and well-being. So, if you’re cutting SNAP benefits, you’re going to make people sicker, more likely to miss jobs, more likely to miss school. Parents are less likely to be able to show up to work. And they’re going to be not as healthy. Without health insurance, it’s going to cause a major cascade effect. It will be a public health crisis without SNAP benefits and Medicaid benefits. And we really need to focus in on employers paying a living wage.

AMY GOODMAN: Professor Mariana Chilton, I thank you so much for being with us, professor of practice in the Department of Nutrition in the School of Public Health and Health Sciences at the University of Massachusetts Amherst, author of The Painful Truth About Hunger in America.

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Trump Throws “Great Gatsby” Party at Mar-a-Lago as Food Stamps End for Millions
by Amy Goodman
DemocracyNow!
November 03, 2025



President Trump held a lavish Great Gatsby-themed Halloween party at Mar-a-Lago Friday, just hours before an estimated 42 million people lost SNAP benefits across the country. Kirk Curnutt, the executive director of the international F. Scott Fitzgerald Society, says that while ”Gatsby is famous for its lavish party scenes, [what] people often miss is that the entire thrust of the book is to critique that conspicuous consumption and the wastage that goes on in these sorts of events.”

Transcript

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AMY GOODMAN: This is Democracy Now!, democracynow.org. I’m Amy Goodman.

On Friday, President Trump held a lavish Great Gatsby Halloween party at Mar-a-Lago, just hours before the estimated 42 million people lost SNAP benefits. Democratic Senator Chris Murphy wrote on social media, “The way he rubs his inhumanity in Americans’ face never ceases to stun me. He’s illegally refusing to pay food stamp benefits… …while he throws a ridiculously over the top Gatsby party for his right wing millionaire and corporate friends,” unquote.

In a piece for the Financial Times headlined “How Gatsby foretold Trump’s America,” the University of London literature professor Sarah Churchwell writes, quote, “The novel’s prescience lies not in foretelling specific events but in diagnosing a culture where power enjoys impunity and cruelty rubs out its traces — a society run by careless people. … The unheeding brutality of so-called world-builders has returned most recently in the dark fantasies of Trumpism, and in Silicon Valley’s fatuous motto, 'move fast and break things,'” she wrote.

For more, we go to Montgomery, Alabama, where we’re joined by Kirk Curnutt, professor and chair of the English Department at Troy University. Montgomery is where Zelda Fitzgerald was born. The professor teaches F. Scott Fitzgerald’s The Great Gatsby, served on the board of the Scott and Zelda Fitzgerald Museum in Montgomery, now executive director of the international F. Scott Fitzgerald Society.

We thank you so much for being with us, professor Kirk Curnutt. As you saw this party play out in Mar-a-Lago as millions could literally move into hunger in America, your thoughts? What did The Great Gatsby, F. Scott Fitzgerald teach us about the times then, and perhaps a warning about the times today?

KIRK CURNUTT: Well, I think it’s fair to say that those of us who have spent our career studying F. Scott Fitzgerald were horrified and sort of felt like, “Mr. President, you’ve ruined so much already. Why must you sully The Great Gatsby?” It’s really horrific optics, and it really perpetuates, I think, a misreading of The Great Gatsby that troubles many of us. Gatsby is sort of famous for its lavish party scenes, but I think what people often miss is that the entire thrust of the book is to critique that conspicuous consumption and the wastage that goes on in these sorts of events, where all of our values are becoming more and more tenuous.

AMY GOODMAN: Who in The Great Gatsby do you see personifying President Trump, and why?

KIRK CURNUTT: Well, it’s very interesting, because for the past 50 years there’s been a tendency to equate presidents with Jay Gatsby. It started with Richard Nixon, believe it or not, in part because the 1974 movie was going on during Watergate. And it usually refers to people who come outside — the outsider, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama. But with Donald Trump, I think we really do have the first instance of a president who is the villain of the novel, Tom Buchanan.

AMY GOODMAN: And if you could talk about the fact that April was the centennial of the publication of The Great Gatsby? What do you see as the enduring message about a society run by careless people? And as you looked at Mar-a-Lago, the millionaires and billionaires around President Trump, your final thoughts?

KIRK CURNUTT: Well, my eyes kind of went to the servers and the people that are working this sort of extravagant party, and they’re in the background of Gatsby, too. I see a huge difference, because the people that attended Gatsby’s parties were not necessarily rich people. They tended to be people that were interested or sort of drawn to the exuberance of life, and in many ways they’re not unlike Gatsby. So, it was a sort of a taste of a life that they probably weren’t ever going to get in the real workaday world. When I look at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago, it just seems — it seems something right out of the Satyricon, which is, you know, a story that Fitzgerald drew from as he was creating the novel. So, it really — there’s no irony or no self-critique there as the spectacle is going on. And it just demonstrates again that a lot of our great literature can be used for spurious purposes.



AMY GOODMAN: Kirk Curnutt, I want to thank you for being with us, chair of the English Department at Troy University, executive director of the international F. Scott Fitzgerald Society, joining us from Montgomery, Alabama, the birthplace of Zelda Fitzgerald, the wife of the author F. Scott Fitzgerald.

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“Our Time Is Now”: Zohran Mamdani’s Mayoral Campaign Inspires NYC’s Working-Class South Asians
by Amy Goodman
DemocracyNow!
November 03, 2025
https://www.democracynow.org/2025/11/3/ ... transcript



Democracy Now!'s Anjali Kamat reports on working-class South Asian support for New York City mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani. South Asian voter turnout increased by 40% during the Democratic primary, contributing to Mamdani's upset victory against former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, who is now running as an independent candidate. “We’ve had several South Asian or Indo-Caribbean candidates, and none of them elicit this response. And I think the fact that the campaign spoke to the very material issues of working-class people has, first and foremost, has really made a very significant difference,” says Fahd Ahmed, director of the South Asian community organization DRUM Beats, whose members have been canvassing for Mamdani’s campaign.

Transcript

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AMY GOODMAN: This is Democracy Now!, democracynow.org. I’m Amy Goodman.

Today [sic] is Election Day all over the country. Early voting just ended in New York’s mayoral race this weekend with 735,000 ballots cast. It’s the highest early voter turnout in New York’s history for a nonpresidential race, something like four times the number of people who usually vote in early voting, as the three candidates for mayor — Democratic nominee Zohran Mamdani, former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo and Republican nominee Curtis Sliwa — closed out their campaigns.

President Trump told 60 Minutes he’s not a fan of Cuomo but would pick him over Mamdani, who he called a communist. Meanwhile, The New York Times reports former President Obama told Mamdani in a private phone conversation Saturday his campaign had been impressive, and offered to be a sounding board.

I should clarify: Tuesday, not today, is Election Day.

Zohran Mamdani’s mayoral campaign has energized communities across New York City in unprecedented ways, mobilizing nearly 100,000 volunteers for his campaign. Democracy Now!'s Anjali Kamat has been following a crucial, often-overlooked portion of Mamdani's base: working-class South Asians.

ANJALI KAMAT: It’s Friday afternoon in a quiet neighborhood in Kensington, Brooklyn. These women are members of DRUM Beats, an advocacy group for low-income South Asian and Indo-Caribbean communities here in New York. and they’re getting ready to canvass for Zohran Mamdani.

KAZI FOUZIA: So, half of the list, you’re going to cover with them. Then they will — they will find them.

ANJALI KAMAT: They split up into groups, and I followed them as they knocked on dozens of doors. Armed with colorful flyers about the campaign in Bengali and Urdu and dozens of Zohran pins, they explained why they thought Mamdani was the best candidate, and reminded neighbors about early-voting times and locations.

DRUM BEATS CANVASSER: So, November 4th is the final vote. As-salamu alaykum.

ANJALI KAMAT: Their enthusiasm was infectious, often bursting into Bengali chants of “My mayor, your mayor.”

DRUM BEATS CANVASSERS: Āmāra mēẏara, tōmāra mēẏara. Āmāra mēẏara, tōmāra mēẏara. Āmāra mēẏara, tōmāra mēẏara.

ANJALI KAMAT: And for the most part, it seemed to work. I spoke to Fahd Ahmed, who runs DRUM Beats, which stands for Desis — or South Asians — Rising Up and Moving. Their organization was among the very first to endorse Zohran’s run for mayor last year.

FAHD AHMED: Many people will say that, “Oh, well, it’s a South Asian-descended candidate, and so it must be an identity thing.” But we’ve had several South Asian or Indo-Caribbean candidates, and none of them elicited this response. And I think the fact that the campaign spoke to the very material issues of working-class people has, first and foremost, has really made a very significant difference.

ANJALI KAMAT: I also spoke to Jagpreet Singh, DRUM Beats’ political director, who’s in charge of endorsing political candidates and getting the vote out.

JAGPREET SINGH: When Zohran had come to us, to begin with, he said his base, the base he was looking at, were three planks. Number one was the leftist progressives. His second plank was rent-stabilized tenants. And the third was Muslim and South Asian communities, communities that have not been previously galvanized, have not been previously activated, usually have some of the lowest voter turnout rates. So, from the get-go, our communities were going to be a big part of his base.

ANJALI KAMAT: Kazi Fouzia moved to New York City from Bangladesh in 2008. Now she’s DRUM’s organizing director. The tireless campaigning by women like her was crucial to Zohran’s victory in the primaries. In some neighborhoods, voter turnout among South Asian and Indo-Caribbean communities doubled.

KAZI FOUZIA: Just 24/7, they are thinking how to win. Some of them work in the cafeteria in the school. Some of them also work in the retail store. Some of them are home health worker, take care of the patient. One of my leader actually restoring ship. They are not only just volunteers. They build, actually, movement.

ANJALI KAMAT: After a long evening of canvassing, they’re back at the office only to get ready for more of the same the next day and every day after until the elections.

KAZI FOUZIA: These all tired people come together and creating movement to show the world how political campaign supposed to be looked like. The early vote kick-off.

CAMPAIGNER: Six, seven million voters. In June, we won the primary because of historic numbers of new voters that turned out. We changed the electorate.

ANJALI KAMAT: Earlier this month, Zohran Mamdani addressed an excited crowd of supporters at a Bangladeshi restaurant in Jackson Heights, Queens.

ANNOUNCER: And up next now we hear from the Zohran Mamdani!

ZOHRAN MAMDANI: What we did in the primary is we increased the turnout of Muslims by 60%, the turnout of South Asians by 40%. And when I stood in front of the world and gave a speech that night, I made sure to remember the Bangladeshi aunties that knocked on the doors across this city. And people have asked me, “What will it mean to have a Muslim mayor?” What my grandmother Kulsum taught me, that to be a good Muslim is to be a good person. It is to help those in need and to harm no one. The truth of this campaign, it is a truth that believes in each one of the people in this room and their possibility. It is the truth that looks at the youngest among us and sees that they could be anything in this city, anything they want.

ANJALI KAMAT: At the Jackson Heights farmers’ market that weekend, the high school students who met Mamdani at the restaurant were still thinking about his words.

MOHINI MEHBOOBA: If I could run for mayor, I think I would have a lot of great ideas, just like Zohran, making New York City affordable. I want to be able to live here without any worry about paying rent. I know I’m just 17, but I want to be able to move out next year and experience living in the city, because I know, even for my family, it’s really hard to pay the rent. So, yeah.

ANJALI KAMAT: Mohini Mehbooba is one of the youth members of DRUM Beats. A talented artist, Mohini was giving people henna tattoos that spelled “Zohran.”

MOHINI MEHBOOBA: We work so hard phone banking, canvassing. And I love doing it, and I’m going to do some more today, hopefully. And it’s just a really good feeling to do something that will be able to change for us, as well.

PHONE BANKER: Thank you so much.

ANJALI KAMAT: At the DRUM Beats office in Jackson Heights, there’s a different group of people phone banking every afternoon. They’re reaching out to communities in a variety of South Asian languages, with volunteers making calls in Nepali, Urdu and Bengali. A group of high school students are also making calls — in between joking around.

SAMMY: Hey. My name is Sammy, and I am a high school volunteer for the Zohran Mamdani’s campaign. Have you ever heard about Zohran Mamdani? Are you planning to vote for him on the Election Day, November 4th?

ANJALI KAMAT: High school student Miftahun Mohona explains why she’s passionate about campaigning for Zohran Mamdani.

MIFTAHUN MOHONA: Even though I’m not at the age to vote, not yet, I still care about, like, people above 18, like for them to vote for Zohran, because the thing is, if they vote for the — if they vote for the right person, that also benefits me, because I live in a world where it’s very corrupt, and every action that the people over 18 taking, like voting, their action means a lot to me, as well, because I come from a working-class family. We don’t have many benefits. We don’t have much resources.

ANJALI KAMAT: Across working-class South Asian communities in the city, there’s a deep belief that Zohran Mamdani will stand up for them if he becomes mayor. A big reason for that is his role in the taxi workers’ protest against medallion debt back in 2021. When the drivers decided to go on a hunger strike, Assemblyman Mamdani joined them for the full 15 days. Kazi Fouzia remembers how moved the community was.

KAZI FOUZIA: I saw how long he’s doing the hunger strike, and he almost die in that time. So I feel this call, actually, real solidarity. Solidarity, not just come and talk and leave. Solidarity, also he put his body frontline.


ANJALI KAMAT: DRUM, or Desis Rising Up and Moving, was founded in Jackson Heights, Queens, in 2000 as a membership organization of low-wage South Asian and Indo-Caribbean workers and youth. For most of its history, their membership has faced the brunt of domestic repression and hate crimes that followed the September 11th attacks. Kazi Fouzia found herself the target of NYPD surveillance when she started organizing in immigrant Muslim communities.

KAZI FOUZIA: I came 2008 this country, and I used to work in retail store in Jackson Heights. And that time, I’m doing volunteering organizing with the DRUM, and one day I found informer behind me.

ANJALI KAMAT: A few years later, as hate crimes against South Asian immigrants spiked again, many people suggested she stopped wearing her hijab.

KAZI FOUZIA: People asked me, 2013, “You should take off your hijab because it’s not safe anymore.” We saw how much isolations and fear community have after 9/11.

ANJALI KAMAT: Jagreet Singh remembers his Sikh family members cutting their hair and beards and wearing American flag T-shirts to stay safe after 9/11.

JAGPREET SINGH: This is a reality we lived with for a long time, that we had to hide ourselves, that we had to retreat back, that we had to fight for everything that we wanted. And we’re in this reality now where Zohran Mamdani is about to become mayor of our city, a very outward Muslim man, South Asian, who is very much into his identity, who does not hide his identity.

ANJALI KAMAT: From the shadows of post-9/11 repression and fear, the Mamdani campaign has given this community a new sense of political confidence and purpose.

KAZI FOUZIA: So, if you see now our member, our community member, our religious leader, our neighbors, all now talking, talking, talking for Zohran. If they go back to 9/11 era and they try to talk about Islamophobia, xenophobia, it’s not going to sell. It’s not going to sell. It’s over. People are not going to go back to the isolating zone anymore. If they try to implementing this, they will push back.

ANJALI KAMAT: If Zohran Mamdani wins the mayoral election, DRUM Beats, like other progressive groups that backed Mamdani from the start, could find themselves in a brand-new role: collaborating with the administration to govern the city. It’s been a long journey from advocating for those on the margins to potentially having a seat at the table. Here’s Jagpreet Singh again.

JAGPREET SINGH: Talks about what the administration would look like are still a little premature, but the campaign and the administration has been very willing to work with organizations like ours at DRUM Beats. It feels amazing to see that we now get to take up leadership, that we get to not only have a seat at the table but run how our city runs. It’s not just going to happen by him being in office, no matter how charismatic he is.

ANJALI KAMAT: Kazi Fouzia says that if Mamdani wins the race but is unable to keep his campaign promises down the road, their members will not hesitate to push his administration and hold their feet to the fire.

KAZI FOUZIA: Zohran make impossible possible in his grassroot movement, too, in the mayoral campaign. So Zohran have to keep his promises and fulfill his commitment. And we will be support all the time him. And also, if he don’t fulfill or keep his promises, we will hold him accountable.

ANJALI KAMAT: In the event of a Mamdani victory, his administration will not face an easy path. People like Fahd Ahmed are already preparing for how to confront the many challenges and threats that may come, whether from the Trump administration or Wall Street and real estate interests.

FAHD AHMED: Our side, there will be real challenges of trying to run a city as a left, when we don’t have extensive experience of doing that. But how it is that we govern, tending to the actual material needs that come up in day-to-day administration of the city, while having a vision that is transformative, that does believe that cities and society can be shaped differently and can function in ways that actually meet the needs of everyday working people.

MAMDANI SUPPORTERS: Zohran! Zohran! Zohran! Zohran! Zohran!

ANJALI KAMAT: But for now, the South Asian and Indo-Caribbean communities that have been pounding the pavement for Mamdani couldn’t be more excited for a potential Zohran Mamdani victory — and their new role in the spotlight.

ZOHRAN MAMDANI: We choose the future, because for all those who say our time is coming, my friends, our time is now.

ANJALI KAMAT: For Democracy Now!, this is Anjali Kamat, with Nicole Salazar. Thanks to Rehan Ansari.

AMY GOODMAN: And special thanks to Charina Nadura.

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Trump Threatens to Go “Guns-a-Blazing” into Nigeria over “Killing of Christians”
by Amy Goodman
DemocracyNow!
November 03, 2025
https://www.democracynow.org/2025/11/3/ ... transcript





President Trump is threatening to bomb Nigeria, alleging the country is failing to protect Christians from persecution, even as many victims of the fundamentalist insurgent group Boko Haram are Muslims. “This theme of persecution of Christians is a very politically charged, and actually religiously charged, theme for evangelicals across the world,” says Anthea Butler, the author of White Evangelical Racism: The Politics of Morality in America. Despite the fact that the country’s conflict cannot be reduced to religious enmity, for extremist evangelical Christians, Nigeria “is a place where the administration could prosecute a holy war” using a “savior narrative.”

Transcript

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AMY GOODMAN: This is Democracy Now!, democracynow.org. I’m Amy Goodman.

We end today’s show looking at Nigeria, as President Trump threatened this weekend to bomb Africa’s most populous country, also the largest oil producer in Africa. In a post on Truth Social Saturday, Trump wrote in part, quote, “The U.S.A. will immediately stop all aid and assistance to Nigeria, and may very well go into that now disgraced country, 'guns-a-blazing' … If we attack, it will be fast, vicious, and sweet, just like the terrorist thugs attack our CHERISHED Christians!” he wrote. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth responded to the post, writing, quote, “Yes sir,” unquote. Trump, on Sunday, again vowed, in his plane, to take action in Nigeria.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: They’re killing record numbers of Christians in Nigeria. And they have other countries very bad also. You know that. That part of the world, very bad. They’re killing the Christians and killing them in very large numbers. We’re not going to allow that to happen.

AMY GOODMAN: Nigerian officials and experts in the West African region have refuted Trump’s claims of mass killings of Christians. This is a researcher at Good Governance Africa.

MALIK SAMUEL: This is not a Christian genocide, because the facts don’t support it. If you look at the areas where this conflict is rife, even in the — even if you take Borno state alone, you look at northern Borno, many of these communities are Muslim-dominated. So most of the victims of Boko Haram violence are Muslims.

AMY GOODMAN: Nigeria’s government has said it welcomes military aid from the U.S. as long as its sovereignty is respected. This is an adviser to the Nigerian President Bola Tinubu.

DANIEL BWALA: Our soldiers have the capability to deal with this thing, so we do not require the American soldiers’ boots on the ground. What we need is the apparatus, the equipment, the access to some of these things, that will aid our own military force and some of the paramilitary and intelligent operatives to deal with this.

AMY GOODMAN: For more, we’re joined by two guests. In Lagos, Nigeria, we’ll speak with Wole Soyinka, the acclaimed Nigerian playwright, author and poet, the first African to win the Nobel Prize for Literature. It happened in 1986. The Trump administration recently revoked his visa to come to the United States. The decision came after Soyinka referred to President Trump as the “white version” of the ruthless Ugandan military dictator Idi Amin.

And we’re joined by Anthea Butler, professor of religious studies at University of Pennsylvania. Her most recent book is titled White Evangelical Racism: The Politics of Morality in America.

Professor Butler, we’re going to begin with you. Can you explain? Were you surprised by President Trump going after Nigeria this weekend, saying they could bomb, they could strike, they could move in with guns blazing, saying Christians are being killed there? Can you explain where this is coming from?

ANTHEA BUTLER: I’m never surprised at the hyperbole of our president. Let me just say this. I think that this has been a long-standing concern of evangelical Christians in the United States. And so, if you think about this in terms of the president’s base, this is a move, I think, in part, to energize them, to have them think that he is thinking about Christians in other places. So, this theme of persecution of Christians is a very politically charged, and actually religiously charged, theme for evangelicals across the world. And when you say that Christians are being persecuted, that’s a thing.

So, for him to say this on Truth Social, I think, provides two things. One is, this is something that the administration is thinking about insofar as somebody probably told them to think about it. That’s number one. And number two, it serves another purpose. It serves to energize his base.

And so, while this issue of religious violence has been prevalent in Nigeria for lots of different reasons, I would submit to you that it’s not simply just about violence against Christians, but it’s religiously inflicted violence because of different factions that are on the ground and groups. And this is not just about Christians, but it’s also involving Muslims. It’s involving other groups that are there. It’s a complicated situation.

AMY GOODMAN: In fact, with Boko Haram, you have them most attacking in the north, and in the north, it’s more Muslims that are being killed than Christians. It’s not that there isn’t violence, but the Nigerians are questioning whether this is religiously based. So, the question is: Is this coming from the United States? Trump said he asked Congressmember Riley Moore of West Virginia and Congressmember Tom Cole of Oklahoma and the House Appropriations Committee for a report on the matter. Congressman Moore had sent a letter to Secretary of State Rubio urging the Trump administration to take immediate action to address systematic persecution and slaughter of Christians in Nigeria, saying that Nigeria is the deadliest place in the world to be a Christian. So, talk more about the white Christian nationalists in the United States going after Africa’s most populous country — and maybe of relevance, the largest oil producer, as Venezuela is in Latin America, which President Trump is threatening to attack, but the largest oil producer in Africa.

ANTHEA BUTLER: Yeah, I find that very interesting that these are two oil-rich states that he is interfering in. So, that’s number one.

Number two, let me say this about Nigeria and Christianity. There has been a religiously sort of back-and-forth between Nigeria and America for a very long time. If you think about that towards televangelists, and that sort of exploded in the 1990s. In the 2000s, you have many giant megachurches. So, it’s no surprise that, you know, politicos here, especially those who are Republican and Christian, would be interested in Nigeria for not just, you know, financial gain, but also because this is a country that in the south is predominantly Christian. OK? So, that’s number one.

And number two, I think, which is actually even more important, is that this is a place where the administration could prosecute a holy war. And what I mean by that is that they can use certain kinds of things that have happened in the news. If you think back two years ago, there was a massacre of Christians during the Christmas season. There have been, you know, Boko Haram capturing girls. These were mostly Muslim girls, actually. If we think about all of these cases, this falls into that kind of framework that evangelicals understand, first of all, and then, secondarily, it fits this sort of savior narrative of this American sort of ethos right now that is seeing itself going into countries for a moral war, a moral suasion, as it were, to do something to help other people.

Now, I think it’s very interesting to also think about the fact that the president of Nigeria is a Muslim. He is married to a Christian wife. Nigeria is complicated religiously.
And I don’t think that the ways in which that this has been portrayed in, you know, the popular ways in which we report on what he says — right? — the president says, is a way that you should understand Nigeria. It is much more complicated religiously. There’s religious violence. There have been people in this country for years who have been working on this through various administrations, and it certainly was going on during the first round of the Trump administration, but he didn’t seem to care about it then. Why now?

AMY GOODMAN: And finally, before we go to Wole Soyinka, the Trump administration sharply reducing the number of refugees admitted annually to the U.S. to 7,500 people, from like 125,000. Most of those 7,500 will be white South Africans who are mostly Christian.

ANTHEA BUTLER: Yes. I mean, I think this is sort of disingenuous to say you’re going to go in and save Christianity in Nigeria, when you have, you know, banned Nigerians from coming to this country. It’s very crucial in a way, because I think about this in terms of places like Houston, Texas, where Nigerians make up a huge part of the population there, and they are very active in engineering, finance, in medical issues, medical doctors, things like that. You are banning a community that is very — how shall I say? — that when it comes to the United States for education or to work, very professionalized. This is not, you know, people who are coming because they want to seek asylum. They are coming to contribute, and they want to be able to come in. But the fact that this administration is, on the one hand, saying, “We want to go in and save Nigeria,” but, on the other hand, not let Nigerians into the country — you’re only going to let South Africans in, and white South Africans to boot — that is pretty much telling you exactly where this Christian nationalist administration is.

AMY GOODMAN: Well, Anthea Butler, professor at the University of Pennsylvania, we thank you for being with us.


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Nigerian Nobel Laureate Wole Soyinka on Denial of His U.S. Visa & Trump’s Threat to Strike Nigeria
by Amy Goodman
DemocracyNow!
November 03, 2025
https://www.democracynow.org/2025/11/3/ ... transcript



We speak to Wole Soyinka, the 91-year-old celebrated Nigerian writer and first African Nobel laureate, who recently had his U.S. visa revoked after he made comments critical of Trump. As Trump threatens U.S. military action against Nigeria over claims of a “Christian genocide” in the country, Soyinka says, “when religious differences began to be invoked as a means of political power, and even social and economic powers, we’ve had unquestionably the issue of impunity.” By “expanding the force of hostility,” he adds, “Trump is not making things easy for there to be a resolution.”

Transcript

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AMY GOODMAN: We turn to Wole Soyinka, the acclaimed playwright, author and poet, the first African to win the Nobel Prize for Literature. You teach at NYU Abu Dhabi. You’re not in the United States. And looks like you can’t come here because the Trump administration has revoked your visa. Can you start off by responding to President Trump saying that they’re going to strike Nigeria, guns blazing?

WOLE SOYINKA: Could you repeat what Trump was alleged to have said? I missed the latter part.

AMY GOODMAN: Trump said, in a social media quote, that he could attack Nigeria, guns blazing, to save Christians in Nigeria. Interestingly, Professor Soyinka, you were raised as a Christian, and now you’ve been denied your visa. Can you respond to him saying he’s cutting off aid to Nigeria and could strike Nigeria?

WOLE SOYINKA: Yes, guns blazing. And the word “vicious,” I think, even appeared in either that statement or another —

AMY GOODMAN: Yes.

WOLE SOYINKA: — that the war will be vicious, etc., etc.

Let me begin by just stating my conviction that we must separate the problems which Nigeria has, and has had for decades, separate that from President Trump’s response, recent response. The Christian-Islam, or Islam versus the rest, or even Christianity versus the rest, that kind of a dichotomy has existed, as I said, for quite a few decades. It’s escalated. It’s become truly horrendous in many aspects since politics got mixed up with religious differences. In other words, when religious differences began to be invoked as a means of political power, and even social and economic powers, we’ve had unquestionably the issue of impunity.

In other words, it’s — if we identify, for instance, certain extreme groups in one religion, and the perpetrators of these horrors get away with it openly — and I’m going to illustrate. There was a girl, a student, who was brutally lynched, really savaged and dehumanized before being killed. I wrote a play about it. I was so exercised by it, I wrote a play, which I — which was produced, in fact, in my department in Abu Dhabi. And the allegation was that she blasphemed against the Prophet Muhammad, which she did not, by the way. I mean, that’s proven. Right, that’s bad enough. It’s just excruciating enough. But when it is followed by the perpetrators, who were charged to court, who were eventually acquitted, or at least the charges dismissed, when it gets to the level where such perpetrators go on internet displaying a box of matches and saying — I quote — “This is the box of matches with which I killed, I was the one who set fire to her,” and nothing happens to them, and they walk free, [that was the last straw].

Now, it is those kinds of incident which escalates in popular perception that there is a brutal war going on between Christians and Muslims, whereas, in truth, we’re dealing with extremists. We’re dealing with political Islamists, known sometimes as ISWAP across West Africa or Boko Haram within Nigeria. These are the real enemies of society, not Islam as such, not followers of Islam, the Muslims as such. It’s the political Islamist extremists, the psychopaths. Unfortunately, they’ve allied with similar movements outside Nigeria, and so they have a steady supply of arms.
I mean, they carry arms so sophisticated that sometimes the military cannot subdue them. Then, you’ve had, frankly, let’s be honest, some very lackadaisical leaders in the direction of curtailing, just curbing, this monstrosity of fundamentalism, of homicidal fundamentalism. We have groups, very well armed, who swoop on villages, and they cite fidelity to Islam. Now, these are the real enemies, not Muslims.

And so, when we have sweeping statements like that of Trump, it’s not making things easy for there to be a resolution, because it’s expanding the zones, the regions of hostility, expanding them to an extent, but it becomes almost invisible.

AMY GOODMAN: Wole Soyinka, we only have a minute, and I did want to repeat, since it’s so important, his quote: “If we attack, it will be fast, vicious, and sweet,” is what he said. But I wanted to ask you, in this last 30 seconds, why your visa was revoked to the United States.

WOLE SOYINKA: Oh, I have a feeling that I haven’t been saying, I haven’t been flattering Donald Trump, and I see no reason to do that. And there have been occasions when I’ve had to speak up quite bluntly. There was a recent —

AMY GOODMAN: You compared him to Idi Amin of Uganda?

WOLE SOYINKA: Yes, yes. Oh, I think Trump should be flattered by the fact that I compared him to Idi Amin. I mean, Trump has said he likes war. I mean, I’m quoting him. Idi Amin was a man of war and brutality. Idi Amin considered himself a liberator. He called himself the “last king of Scotland.” He was going to liberate Scotland from the British.

AMY GOODMAN: Wole Soyinka, we have to wrap.

WOLE SOYINKA: Trump also considers himself as —

AMY GOODMAN: But I’m going to ask you to stay with us, because we’re going to do Part 2 of this discussion at democracynow.org. People can check it out. Wole Soyinka, Nigerian Nobel Prize-winning author. That does it for our show.
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Read the full transcript of Norah O'Donnell's interview with President Trump here.
November 2, 2025 / 7:32 PM EST / CBS News
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/read-full- ... ent-trump/


President Donald Trump's extended 60 Minutes interview
60 Minutes
Nov 2, 2025

Norah O’Donnell sat down with President Donald J. Trump at Mar-a-Lago to discuss U.S.-China relations, Venezuela, Israel, the government shutdown, immigration, the National Guard and more.

Editor's note: The video above is an extended version of the interview that was broadcast on 60 Minutes on Sunday, November 2, 2025. This extended version was condensed for clarity.


Highlights:

[Donald Trump] [D]o you think it's bad that I went after a public figure?... These people are scum….Wait, wait, wait. And then you tell me about me. Just so you understand, you say I went after these people. These people are bad people. They're dishonest people….I went through numerous indictments and two impeachments. And you tell me that I went after people?... So when you tell me about I went after Comey, Comey's low on the totem pole. They went after the President of the United States….And you're telling me, Norah, that I went after some low-life named Comey,… you should be ashamed….and I won very easily as you know. But you can't then accuse me of weaponizing government. They were horrible human beings….So don't ask me about, "Did you go after?"…

Look, they call me a Nazi all the time. I'm not a Nazi. I'm the opposite. I'm somebody that's saving our country.


Editor's note: On October 31, 2025, correspondent Norah O'Donnell spoke with President Donald J. Trump at Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach, FL, and this is a transcript of that conversation. They started by discussing the president's recent meeting with China's President Xi Jinping.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, first of all, we get along great, and we always really have. We had the COVID moment, which was not-- attractive as far as I was concerned. I wasn't so happy. But outside of that, we have always had a great relationship. He's a powerful man. He's a strong man, a very powerful leader.

And-- we've always-- had the best of relationships, probably the best of-- I could-- I think I could speak for him, just about as good as it gets from his standpoint and from my standpoint. And having that is important because of the power of the two countries.

NORAH O'DONNELL: What did you get out of this deal that you wanted?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, I got sort of everything that we wanted. We got-- no rare earth threat. That's gone, completely gone. We have tremendous amounts of-- dollars pouring in-- 'cause we have-- very big tariffs, almost 50%. We never had anything in terms of tariffs, although I put tariffs on China, but Biden let it lapsed by the-- by the fact that he gave exemptions on almost everything, which was just ridiculous.


But-- we have-- billions and billions of dollars coming in, and we have a very good relationship. I mean, we have-- a great relationship with a powerful country. And I've always felt if we can make deals that are good, it's better to get along with China than not, if you can't make the right kind of a deal than not, because, you know, China, along with many other countries (they're not alone in this), they've ripped us off from day one.

They've ripped us so much. They've taken trillions of dollars out of our country. And now they're-- it's the opposite. I mean, we're doing very well with China, and hopefully they're gonna do very well with us. But I do think it's important that China and the U.S. get along, and we get along very well at the top.

NORAH O'DONNELL: This trade war, though, was hurting Americans. I mean, our soybean farmers. China had stopped buying the soybeans.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Yeah.

NORAH O'DONNELL: As you mentioned, they were-- China was withholding these rare earth materials that you need for everything from smartphones to-- to build submarines.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Sure.

NORAH O'DONNELL: What-- what was the crucial thing? I mean, how tough of a negotiatior--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, when you say hurting--

NORAH O'DONNELL: --is President Xi--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: --it was a temporary hurt. It was a hurt because-- I was takin' in a lot of money from China. We're doing very well against China. And all of a sudden they said, "You know, we have to fight back." And so they used their powers. The power they have is rare earth because of the fact that they've been accumulating it and-- and really taking care of it for a period of 25, 30 years.

Other countries haven't. Now we are. I mean, we have tremendous rare earth, and it's going to be-- you know, it's going to be-- it'll be a strength, but it won't really be a strength if everybody has it. Everyone's gonna have it pretty soon.

And they were doing it-- on a singular basis. Now-- they use that against us, and we used other things against them. For instance, airplane parts. That's a big deal. They have-- hundreds of Boeing airplanes. We wouldn't give them parts. We were both acting-- maybe a little bit irrationally, but the big thing we had was tariffs ultimately.

I said, "Look, if you don't open up, then what we're gonna do is we're gonna impose a hundred percent tariff over and above what you're already paying." And as soon as I said that, they came to the table. We met in South Korea, as you saw, right? A lot of people watched.

And-- we made a really good deal. And it was good for them also, I hope. I mean, I want 'em to be good for both sides, but-- we'll be takin' in hundreds of billions of dollars-- in the form of tariffs. You know, tariffs are incredible, because they really give us great national security.

As an example-- when they pulled the rare earth on us and the rest of the world, if we didn't have tariffs to fight back, I-- I immediately instituted a 100% tariff over and above what they were already paying. And when I did that, they immediately came to the table. Without tariffs, we would not have had that privilege. We would have-- not have had that right. Tariffs give us national security and great wealth.

NORAH O'DONNELL: You talked about those rare earth minerals. Of course--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Yeah.

NORAH O'DONNELL: --I-- my understanding is about 90% of them come from China. That's their--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Right now.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Yeah--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: But within a short period of time-- we'll have everything we need for ourselves. You know, we've instituted an emergency program, and we will have-- within a year from now to a year and a half, we'll have everything we need, no matter what kind of a threat is being--

NORAH O'DONNELL: How? How do we do that?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Because we've taken over. First of all, you saw the partnerships w-- we've established with Japan, with Australia, with U.K., w-- with just about everybody, frankly. And we're all doing it together. You know, this wasn't a threat against the United States. This was really a threat against the world. So the w-- whole world has come together, I think, at our behest. And rare earths, in-- within two years, rare earths will cea-- really cease to be a problem.


NORAH O'DONNELL: The one thing that China wants but it doesn't have is the world's most advanced semiconductors.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: That's right.

NORAH O'DONNELL: That's what the United States has. Will you--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Chips in particular.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Chips. That's right--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Yeah.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Will you allow the chip maker, Nvidia, to sell their most advanced chips to China--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: No. No, we won't do that. But--

NORAH O'DONNELL: It's not on the table at all?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: --we will let them-- deal with Nvidia. Nvidia's the prime-- company in the world for that. And we will let them deal with Nvidia but not in terms of the most advanced. The most advanced, we will not let anybody have them other than the United States.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Because then they would win the AI race.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, they wouldn't win it necessarily, but they would certainly have-- an equal advantage. Right now we're winning it because we're producing electricity like never before by allowing the companies to make their own electricity, which was my idea, which nobody, frankly, had thought of.

These massive plants that are being built are building their own electric generating plants along with the plant itself. And that gives them all the electric they need without going to an old grid that's, you know, 150 years old. And-- they're makin' it-- themselves, and then they're selling back any excess electricity into the grid, so we benefit in all ways.

But most importantly, it allows the c-- the companies to go immediately forward. We're getting-- approvals done in two and three weeks. It used to take 20 years. And we are leading the AI race right now by a lot. We are leading it by numbers that people have no idea. It's been-- it's been really great. We've been very, very far-reaching for it-- th-- look, that's the new internet. That's the new everything all put together. The AI race is a big deal.


NORAH O'DONNELL: Mr. President, you just negotiated this one-year trade deal with China--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Yep.

NORAH O'DONNELL: But as you know, the Chinese, they think in a hundred years.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Sure.

NORAH O'DONNELL: They play the long game, including on our own soil.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: We play the long game too.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Our own intelligence agencies say the Chinese have infiltrated parts of the American power grid and our water systems. They steal American intellectual property and Americans' personal information. They bought American farmland. How big of a threat is China?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: It's like everybody else. We're a threat to them too. Many of the things that you say, we do to them. Look, this is a very competitive world, especially when it comes to China and the U.S. And-- we're always watching them, and they're always watching us. In the meantime, I think we get along very well, and I think it's-- I think we can be bigger, better, and stronger by working with them as opposed to just-- knocking them out--

NORAH O'DONNELL: Hmm.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: --of the economy. They can produce things that we don't want to produce because it's not really worth our while-- making-- undergarments, makin' this-- you know, certain things. We don't want to do that, and we can buy them inexpensively from other places in the world while we can lead the world in AI, and chips, and lots of other things.

Within-- two years from now, we'll have 40% or 50% of the chip market. What's happening here, the biggest companies are leaving Taiwan. They're coming into the United States because of tariffs. If we didn't have tariffs, they wouldn't be doing it because--


NORAH O'DONNELL: In how many years? You think we'll be producing--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I think in two years, we'll start opening up plants and we'll have a very substantial portion of the chip market. Right now we have almost none. We should have had a hundred percent. If we had par-- if we had presidents that knew anything about business or knew what they were doing, because, frankly, they didn't.

We lost 50% of our automobile business. It's all coming back. We lost a hundred percent of the chip-- you know, it used to be all Intel and other companies. And what happened is other countries came in, and they stole our chip business, and we didn't charge tariffs.

If we would have charged let's say a 100% tariff, none of those companies would have left. But they all left. Now they're all coming back, Norah, because the only way they avoid the tariffs is to build in our country. If they build in our country, make their plant and make their product in our country, then it's a very simple thing. They-- they don't have any tariff to pay.


NORAH O'DONNELL: Uh-huh.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: And that's what they want to do. And so instead of charging somebody a 100% tariff and you can make your product outside, they come in, and they make-- and this is why we have $17 trillion being invested in the United States right now. By the time it-- it-- just to show you how big that is, it's the biggest in history by many times. No other country's been any-- seen anything like it.

The Biden administration in four years did less than a trillion. We have 17 trillion-- more than $17 trillion right now, and I'm in my ninth month. By the time we finish up, I think we're gonna have over $20 trillion invested in the United States or to be invested in the United States--

NORAH O'DONNELL: How will that trickle down to the average worker?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Because of jobs, because they're building plants. W-- we're bringing back the auto industry into our country. We lost 58% of the automobile manufacturing business to other countries. You know, we used to be the king of automobile and automobile manufacturing, and now we're not really the king anymore, you know?

Within a year and a half, two years, we're gonna be the king again. We're gonna-- the-- the-- as an example, I was also in Japan, as you know, and South Korea. We had-- the biggest Japanese companies are investing billions of dollars in building auto plants in the United States.

If I weren't elected-- if I weren't elected, we would be losing all of these jobs. We would be losing far more of the auto industry. We would be nowhere in chips. Our country would have been bankrupt, and we would have had a bigger welfare roll. They would have expanded welfare and forgotten about everything else.

Now we're building a country that's gonna be so strong, I don't know if you saw the last numbers in terms of employment. They're all non-government jobs. Not just government. Government jobs are easy. I could-- I could immediately inc-- do anything I want with government jobs.

I'd just say, "We're gonna add up-- we're gonna add on a million government jobs," and you're gonna say, "Oh, what wonderful numbers." They don't mean anything. We are building jobs at a level that nobody's ever seen before.
But when all of these plants that are currently under construction and to be under construction, when they open, we're gonna have an economy like our country has never seen before, the strongest economy in the world.

We're doing very well. By the way, the stock market just hit-- perfect timing for your show, just hit an all-time high. It's hit an all-time high 48 times during the course of my-- nine-month period. But just yesterday, the stock market hit an all-time high. We're doing really well, and everybody knows it--

NORAH O'DONNELL: Can I ask--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Let's put it this way--

NORAH O'DONNELL: Can I-- can I ask you--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: The smart people know it.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Uh-huh. Can I ask you, Mr. President--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: The smart people definitely--

NORAH O'DONNELL: --on that point, though?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Yeah.

NORAH O'DONNELL: When the stock market is doing well, that doesn't affect everybody. Not everybody's invested in the stock market--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: It does. Oh, it does, it does.

NORAH O'DONNELL: But there have been-- grocery prices are up--


PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Look, 401(k)s. People have 401(k)s. Their 401(k)s are double what they were a year ago.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Uh-huh. But for people that don't have 401(k)s, who are not invested in the stock market--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Sure. But-- but--

NORAH O'DONNELL: --they've seen their grocery prices go up, inflation--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: No, you're wrong. They went up under Biden. Right now they're going down. Other than beef, which we're working on, which we can solve very quickly. So the beef-- the ranchers have really taken a drubbing over a 30-year period. Because of what I've done, the ranchers have done well.

But with that, the beef price went up a little bit. We're gonna get the beef price down very quickly. It'll be very nice, just like eggs. When I first took over, eggs were double, triple, quadruple what they were. This was because of Biden.

All of these problems were caused by Biden, whether it's-- the people that came into our country through jails. I mean, they were released from jails. They were lease-- released from mental institutions into our country. These problems are caused by Biden. We had an open border. Now we have a border that's, as you know, absolutely shut other than--

NORAH O'DONNELL: How--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: --people are allowed to come into our country, but they have to come in legally.

NORAH O'DONNELL: I do want to talk about immigration and some other-

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Sure.

NORAH O'DONNELL: --domestic issues. But just-- if we could stay on China for just a moment--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Sure.

NORAH O'DONNELL: One potential flash point with China, probably the potential flash point with China in the coming years, is over the issue of Taiwan. The Chinese military is encroaching on Taiwan's sea lanes, its airspace, its cyberspace. I know you have said that Xi Jinping wouldn't dare move militarily on Taiwan while you're in office. But what if he does? Would you order U.S. forces to defend Taiwan?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: You'll find out if it happens. And he understands the answer to that.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Why not say it--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: This never even came up yesterday, as a subject. He never brought it up.
People were a little surprised at that. He never brought it up, because he understands it, and he understands it very well. Taiwan is a very interesting case. It's 69 miles away from China. We're 9,500 miles away. But that doesn't matter. He understands-- what will happen. He and I have spoken about it. But it was never even brought up during a two and a ha-- or two-and-a-half-hour meeting we had yesterday.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Do you mind if I ask, when you say, "He understands," why not communicate that publicly to the rest of us? What does he understand that--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: --I don't want to give away-- I can't give away my secrets. I don't want to be one of these guys that tells you exactly what's gonna happen if something happens. The other side knows, but-- I'm not somebody that tells you everything because you're askin' me a question. But they understand what's gonna happen. And-- he has openly said, and his people have openly said at meetings, "We would never do anything while President Trump is president," because they know the consequences.


NORAH O'DONNELL: Less than an hour before your meeting with President Xi, you posted on social media that you instructed the, quote, Department of War to start testing our nuclear weapons--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: That's right.

NORAH O'DONNELL: --immediately.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Yeah--

NORAH O'DONNELL: What did you mean?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, we have more nuclear weapons than any other country. Russia's second. China's a very distant third, but they'll be even in five years. You know, they're makin' 'em rapidly, and I think we should do something about denuclearization, which is gonna be some-- and I did actually discuss that with both President Putin and President Xi. Denuclearization's a very big thing. We have enough nuclear weapons to blow up the world 150 times. Russia has a lot of nuclear weapons, and China will have a lot. They have some. They have quite a bit, but--

NORAH O'DONNELL: So why do we need to test--

NORAH O'DONNELL: --our nuclear weapons?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, because you have to see how they work. You know, you do have to-- and the reason I'm saying-- testing is because Russia announced that they were gonna be doing a test. If you notice, North Korea's testing constantly. Other countries are testing. We're the only country that doesn't test, and I wanna be-- I don't wanna be the only country that doesn't test.

We have tremendous nuclear power that was given to us largely because when I was president (and I hated to do it, but you have to do it)
-- I rebuilt the military during my first term. My first term was a tremendous success. We had the greatest economy in the history of our country.

But my second term is blowing it away. It's blowing it away when you look at the numbers, the stock market, the jobs. Look at the job numbers, how good they've been. And, again, I have costs down. Remember, Biden gave me the worst inflation rate in the history of our country--

NORAH O'DONNELL: I-- I w-- definitely want to talk about the economy, but I just want to make s-- sure we-- we button up this issue--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Sure.

NORAH O'DONNELL: --on nuclear weapons. And I want to clarify this--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Sure.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Are you saying that after more than 30 years, the United States is going to start detonating nuclear weapons for testing?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I'm saying that we're going to test nuclear weapons like other countries do, yes.

NORAH O'DONNELL: But the only country that's testing nuclear weapons is North Korea. China and Russia are not--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, Russia's-- no, no. Russia's testing nuclear weapons--

NORAH O'DONNELL: So my understanding--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: And China's testing 'em too. You just don't know about it.

NORAH O'DONNELL: That would be certainly very newsworthy. My understanding is what Russia did recently was test essentially the-- delivery systems for nuclear weapons, essentially missiles, which we can do that but w-- not with nuclear warheads-

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Russia's testing, and China's testing, but they don't talk about it. You know, we're a open society. We're different. We talk about it. We have to talk about it, because otherwise you people are gonna report-- they don't have reporters that gonna be writing about it. We do. No, we're gonna test, because they test and others test. And certainly North Korea's been testing. Pakistan's been testing.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Not nuclear weapons, is my understanding--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Of course they have--

NORAH O'DONNELL: North Korea has, but not nuclear weapons--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: But they don't go and tell you about it. And, you know, as powerful as they are, this is a big world. You don't necessarily know where they're testing. They-- they test way under-- underground where people don't know exactly what's happening with the test.

You feel a little bit of a vibration. They test and we don't test. We have to test. And Russia did make-- a little bit of a threat the other day when they said they were gonna do certain forms of a different level of testing. But Russia tests, China-- and China does test, and we're gonna test also.

NORAH O'DONNELL: So we are going to--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Doesn't it sorta make sense? You know, you make-- you make nuclear weapons, and then you don't test. How are you gonna do that? How are you gonna know if they work? We have to do that--

NORAH O'DONNELL: Apparently, we don't need to test our nuclear weapons, 'cause they're the best in the world, according to experts I've spoken with--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: According to me. We have the best, and I was the one that renovated them and built them during a four-year period. And I hated to do it, because the destructive capability is something you don't even wanna talk about. But if other people are gonna have 'em, we're gonna have to have 'em.

And if we have 'em, we have to test 'em, otherwise you don't really know how they're gonna work. And we don't wanna ever use them. And in the meantime, I've solved eight wars.
I knocked out eight wars. I had eight wars-- I brought a little list for you if you'd like to see it-- but I took eight wars and stopped during an eight-month period, during eight months.

Before the ninth month I stopped eight wars. The only one I haven't been successful yet in, and-- and that'll happen, is Russia Ukraine, which I thought actually would be the easiest one because I have a very good relationship with President Putin. But-- we are respected again as a country, and that's the way I've been able to stop the wars. I also stopped them because of trade.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Who's tougher to deal with, Vladimir Putin or Xi Jinping?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Both tough. Both smart. Both-- look, they're both very strong leaders. These are people not to be toyed with. These are people you have to take very serious. They're not-- they're not walking in saying, "Oh, isn't it a beautiful day? Look how beautiful. The sun is shining, it's so nice." These are serious people. These are people that are tough, smart leaders.

NORAH O'DONNELL: And on that note, you talk about Ukraine, that being the one war that you are not able to solve. In August, I mean, you rolled out the red carpet for Vladimir Putin in-- Alaska. But there's been--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, I roll out the red carpet for everybody.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Okay. But is-- but there's been no ceasefire--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I think I made-- yes, there isn't--

NORAH O'DONNELL: What's—is he ignoring you?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: --because he thinks-- because I inherited a country where he thinks he's winning. That was a war that would've never happened if I was president. He even said that. That was a war that would've never happened. Joe Biden was the president.

Joe Biden gave $350 billion to Ukraine, including a lot of weapons, a tremendous amount of weapons, which allowed them to fight, 'cause we make the best weapons in the world. You know, I rebuilt our military during my first term. They used a lotta those weapons in that war. We make the best weapons in the world. Now we make even better weapons. But that was--

NORAH O'DONNELL: So why won't Putin end this war?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: --that was-- but-- but Norah, that was Joe Biden's war, not my war. I inherited that stupid war. That should not have been a war. That would've never happened if I were president. And by the way, for four years it didn't happen. There was never even a doubt.

Then the election was rigged and stolen, and all of a sudden you see them forming up at the line. And now I come back and I'm gonna get that one solved too. But I brought, I mean, just a little list of-- of-- look at this, wars. How many did I solve?

Cambodia--
this is Cambodia Thailand. Kosovo Serbia. Congo-- the Congo and Rwanda. Pakistan and India, that was gonna be a beauty. They shot down seven planes. Israel and Iran, you've heard about that one? Egypt and Ethiopia, that's another beauty. Ethiopia built a big-- dam where there's no water going to the Nile. Armenia and Azerbaijan. And if you take a look, Israel and Hamas, which is a, you know, rough little situation, but it's gonna be--

NORAH O'DONNELL: I do wanna talk about-- I mean, you have branded yourself the peace president.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, I think I did--

NORAH O'DONNELL: What--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: --pretty good. I-- I solved-- those are eight of the nine wars I solved. I--

NORAH O'DONNELL: When--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: --you know how I solved 'em? I said, in many cases, in 60% I said, "If you don't stop fighting, I'm putting tariffs on both of your countries and you're not gonna be able to do business with the United--"

NORAH O'DONNELL: So why isn't that-- why isn't that working with Putin?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: It is working with Putin, I think
. I did different with him because we don't do very much business with Russia, for one thing, you know? He's not, like, somebody that buys a lot from us because of-- foolishness. And I think he'd like to be. I think he wants to come in and he wants to trade with us, and he wants to make a lotta money for Russia, and I think that's great. That's what I like--

NORAH O'DONNELL: Can you get it done in a couple months, do you think?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I think we're gonna get it done, yeah. I think he really wants to do business with the U.S. But it did work with India, and it did work with-- Pakistan, and it did work with-- 60% of those countries. I can tell you, if it wasn't for tariffs and trade I wouldn't have been able to make the deals.

But I stopped, as an example-- India does a lotta business with us. They were going to war. They were gonna have a nuclear war with Pakistan. The-- Prime Minister of Pakistan stood up the other day and he said, "If Donald Trump didn't get involved, many millions of people would be dead right now." That was a bad war he was ready to start.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Let's talk about--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Shot down airplanes all over the place. That really-- that was gonna be a bad war. And I told both of them, I said, "If you guys don't work out a deal fast, you're not gonna do any business with the United States." And they do a lotta business with the United States. And they were both great leaders, and they worked out a deal, and they stopped the war. That would've been a bad war. It would've been a nuclear war.

NORAH O'DONNELL: I wanna stay on the issue of foreign policy, and let's turn to our hemisphere. There have been at least eight boats in the Caribbean destroyed by the U.S. military--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Fortunately.

NORAH O'DONNELL: And now the U.S.S. Gerald Ford, that is the world's largest aircraft carrier, on the way to the Caribbean. Are we going to war against Venezuela?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I doubt it. I don't think so. But they've been treating us very badly, not only on drugs-- they've dumped hundreds of thousands of people into our country that we didn't want, people from prisons-- they emptied their prisons into our compan-- country. They also-- if you take a look, they emptied their mental institutions and their insane asylums-- into the United States of America, 'cause Joe Biden was the worst president in the history of our country--

NORAH O'DONNELL: But why is our aircraft carrier--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Let me just finish.

NORAH O'DONNELL: --going down there?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Joe Biden was the worst president in the history of our country.
We had the worst inflation, we had the worst of everything. But the worst thing he did was allow millions of people to come into our country that were many-- in many cases, criminals, murderers, 11,888 murderers were let into our country. Venezuela let a lot of those people in. But they were from all over the world. This isn't just Venezuela. They were from all over the world.

NORAH O'DONNELL: We are gonna talk about--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: And what he did to our country should never be forgotten. He had an open-border process, and people would come in, and I'm not discriminating against tattoos, but people would come in with tattoos all over their faces, and say, "Come on in, come on in, come on in."

They let people in that should've never been. Venezuela emptied their prisons into the United States of America. And every one of those boats that you see shot down-- and I agree, it's a terrible thing-- but every one of those boats kills 25,000 Americans. Every single boat that you see that's shot down kills 25,000 on drugs and destroys families all over our country.

NORAH O'DONNELL: We will talk about immigration in a moment, but I just wanna talk about the scale of the military operation around Venezuela, because it has been described to 60 Minutes as using a blowtorch to cook an egg. Is this about stopping--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, I don't think so. Look--

NORAH O'DONNELL: Is it about-- let me ask you, though. Is it about stopping narcotics? Or is this about getting rid of President Maduro?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: No, this is about many things. This is a country that allowed their prisons to be emptied into our country. To me, that would be almost number one, because we have other countries--

NORAH O'DONNELL: Well we don't need to blow up boats in order to deal--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Look, Mexico has been very bad to us in terms of drugs, okay
? Very bad. We have a closed border right now. You probably noticed that for five months in a row, they have zero-- think of this, zero people coming into our country through our southern border.

And it was millions of people a year just a little more than a year ago. Millions of people a year walked into our country totally unchecked, unvetted. We had no idea who they were. And we're never gonna let that happen again. That's what made Biden the worst president, because you know what, inflation I've already taken care of. We had the worst inflation in the history of our country, and now we don't have inflation. It's at 2%. It's-- it's the perfect inflation.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Aren't--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: But what made him so bad-- well, the weaponization of law enforcement, all of that. Look, he was bad in every way. But the worst thing that he did is allow millions, and millions, and millions of people to pour into our country unvetted, unchecked. And they were criminals, they were murderers, they were drug dealers, they were people from jails, and people from mental institutions.

NORAH O'DONNELL: You-- you have had success on immigration, I wanna talk about that in a minute. But on Venezuela--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Big success.

NORAH O'DONNELL: On Venezuela in particular, are Maduro's days as president numbered?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I would say yeah. I think so, yeah.

NORAH O'DONNELL: And this issue of potential land strikes in Venezuela, is that true?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I don't tell you that. I mean-- I'm not saying it's true or untrue, but I-- you know, I wouldn't--

NORAH O'DONNELL: Why would we do it?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: --I wouldn't be inclined to say that I would do that. But-- because I don't talk to a reporter about whether or not I'm gonna strike. I'm not gonna-- you know, you're a wonderful reporter, you're very talented, but I'm not gonna tell you what I'm gonna do with Venezuela, if I was gonna do it or if I wasn't going to do it.


NORAH O'DONNELL: Why do we need an aircraft carrier and all of group--strike group--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: It's gotta be somewhere. It's a big one.

NORAH O'DONNELL: I just think it-- it leads to the suggestion that the United States military is planning a larger operation involving Venezuela.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, we're not gonna allow countries from-- what-- you know, it's countries from all over the world coming in. You know, they come in from the Congo where we just settled that war. But it come-- they come in from the Congo, they come in from all over the world, they're coming, not just from South America. But Venezuela in particular-- has been bad. They have gangs-- Tren de Aragua, do you ever hear of it?

NORAH O'DONNELL: Of course--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: The most vicious gang anywhere in the world. They cut people's hands off if they call up the cops. You know, they call up the police and they said, "Did you call the police?" "Yes, I did. You took my apartment, you live in my building, you took my apartment." They cut his hand off.

NORAH O'DONNELL: I--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: "Don't ever call the police again."

NORAH O'DONNELL: I fully underst--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: These are animals. Wait a minute. And they came in from Venezuela. Worst gang-- probably the worst gang, most vicious gang in the world. And you know what I did? In Washington, D.C., we had a lot of 'em. We took care of business. They're gone.

Washington, D.C., right now is a very safe place, as it should be. Washington, D.C., be-- before I got here was almost like a crime capital of the world. It's the capital of this country. To me, it's the capital of the world. You see the way they treat me.

I go to Japan, I go to South Korea, I go to Chi-- any place I go, and you know what I call that? Respect for our country. They didn't treat Biden that way. When Biden went there-- first of all, he hardly went anywhere. Guy couldn't leave his bedroom. But they didn't treat Biden that way. They had no respect for Biden falling up the stairs going to an airplane three times. I mean, this is a man who should've never been president. This was a rigged election. And we--

NORAH O'DONNELL: Can I ask--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: --have to get back-- we have to get to the bottom of that also, because we don't want that to ever happen again. You see what's going on. We don't ever want that to happen again. Look what happened to our country by having Biden as the president.

NORAH O'DONNELL: I--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Our country went to hell. And if we--

NORAH O'DONNELL: I wanted to ask you about Israel--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: --had another couple of years, if Kamala had won the election, our country right now would be finished. It was a dead country, and now we have the hottest country anywhere in the world. We have the strongest stock market, we have everybody wants to come in. A year ago we were a dead country. Right now we have the hottest country anywhere in the world. Think of that. And I did that in nine months. And it's only gonna get better.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Let's talk about Israel
, as we're on foreign policy and talking about some of your successes. You got-- on Israel, you got the remaining Israeli hostages out of Gaza.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I did.

NORAH O'DONNELL: You arranged a ceasefire, however fragile that may be. Those are major--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: It's not fragile. It's a very solid-- you know, I mean, you hear about Hamas, but Hamas could be taken out immediately if they don't behave. They know that. If they don't behave they're gonna be taken out immediately. They know that--

NORAH O'DONNELL: How do you get Hamas to disarm?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: If I want 'em to disarm, I'll get 'em to disarm very quickly. They'll be-- they'll be eliminated.
They know that. Don't forget, you said I got the remaining hostages. I got all the hostages out. But I always said the last 10 or 20 are gonna be tough. But we were tough also, and they let 'em all out.

NORAH O'DONNELL: You were tough--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: And now, by the way, they're getting-- a lot of the bodies are coming out too. Did you know a lot of the parents-- this is very interesting-- were-- the people that lost their child, you know, mostly sons, but sons and daughters, they knew they were dead, in some cases.

Do you know that they were as anxious or even more anxious of getting their child out, even though they knew it was a body that we were dealing with, than the people that had a living child-- a living, breathing child that they knew they were alive, if-- if barely, because the way they lived was so horrible.

And-- you saw yesterday four more just came out. We're gonna get them out too. They're buried in many cases. They're buried under rubble. But we pretty much know where they were. But I didn't get just the 20 out. I got all of the hostages out.

NORAH O'DONNELL: You pushed the Israeli Prime Minister to make this deal, to get a ceasefire, to apologize-- to Qatar. Can you push Bibi Netanyahu to recognize a Palestinian state?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Yeah, he's-- he's fine. He's fine. Look, he's a wartime prime minister. I worked very well with him. Yeah, I mean, I had to push him a little bit one way or the other. I think I-- I did a great job in pushing-- he's a very talented guy. He's a guy that-- has never been pushed before, actually.

And that's the kind-- that's the kind of person you needed in Israel at the time. It was very important. I don't think they treat him very well. He's under trial for some things, and I don't think they treat him very well. I think it should-- you know, we'll-- we'll be involved in that to help him out a little bit, because I think it's very unfair.


But he's a wartime prime minister. I did, I pushed him. I didn't like certain things that he did, and you saw what I did about that. I also stopped-- you know, I-- we knocked the hell out of Iran, and then it was time to stop, and we stopped.

Iran wants to make a deal. They don't say that, and they probably shouldn't say-- no good deal maker would. But Iran very much wants to make a deal. The key to Middle East peace-- I made Middle East peace. For 3,000 years they couldn't do it.

I did it
. And I did it with some very good partners in Israel. But the key to the Middle East peace was knocking the hell out of their potential-- nuclear. When we, with those beautiful B-2 bombers-- we just ordered 20 brand new ones, the newest and the greatest-- but with those beautiful B-2 bombers, when they went in there and they blew the hell out of that, you know, potential nuclear weapons site-- there were two of 'em, actually.

And every single missile hit every single air shaft. You know, they had to go down an air shaft. Every single one of 'em hit their target. And I remember fake news CNN said, "Well, maybe it wasn't as powerful or as good as we thought."

No, it was much-- turned out it was actually better. You know the Atomic Energy Agency said the hit was even stronger than anyone ever thought possible. And those pilots did a great job. What they were able to do-- and those machines. But it wasn't only them.

They were surrounded by F-22s and F-16s. They were surrounded by F-35s. They were-- do you know we had 52 tanker planes, loading 'em up with jet fuel, because it was a long flight. They flied-- they flew for 37 hours. Of course, I flew for thirty-- 42 hours over the last three days, so I know how they feel. But they flew--

NORAH O'DONNELL: Except there's a bathroom on Air Force One--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: --but they were sitting in one seat. I was-- I was able to walk around a little bit. But yeah, they said 42 hours. I've been in the air for 42 hours over a few days-- and that was fine, because we took in trillions of dollars into our country.

And we also-- you know what's interesting, Japan took tremendous advantage of us over the years. You know, they sold cars to us, we couldn't sell cars to them. They made a fortune, we didn't make anything, we lost money. But it's the exact opposite now.

But you know what? They like us more now than they used to because they respect us now. They didn't used to respect us, and they have great respect for us, all of 'em. Every country has-- including China. China now has great respect for us.

They didn't have respect for us when they had Biden and when they had Obama. Obama was a terrible president. Nobody wants to talk about it because they wanna be politically correct. I don't care. He was a terrible president. Our country was-- it really started a very bad downward spiral. Then I stopped it, then we had a rigged election, and then-- what-- what Biden did to our country should never, ever be forgotten.

NORAH O'DONNELL: We're still on-- on foreign policy, so I just have another question--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: No, I'm with-- I'm on all policy.


NORAH O'DONNELL: I know you are--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I'm not talking about foreign-- no, no. I'm talking about everything.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Well, I just wanna--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I'm talking about economy, I'm talking about everything--

NORAH O'DONNELL: I wanted to ask you about the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia is coming to the White House--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: That's right.

NORAH O'DONNELL: --this month. He has said they won't join the Abraham Accords without a two-state solution. Do you believe that?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: No. I think he's gonna join. I-- I think-- we will have a solution. I don't know if it's gonna be two-state. That's gonna be up to Israel and other people, and me. But-- look, the main thing is you could've never had any kind of a deal if you had a nuclear Iran. And you essentially had a nuclear Iran. And I blasted the hell out of 'em,
and no president is--

NORAH O'DONNELL: Are you convinced they have no nuclear capability right now in Iran?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Do you wanna know-- do you wanna know-- they have no nuclear capability, no. Do you wanna know that-- the pilots, I invited them to the White House--

NORAH O'DONNELL: I saw that.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: --'cause they were very brave.
I mean, I wouldn't have wanted to do it, you know, getting in a plane, and they know you're coming, and you're going right into Iran airspace. And, you know, they're very experts, and you're flying in with machines, these big, fantastic, unbelievable, beautiful wings that carry massive 100,000-pound bombs, and you don't-- I personally-- I can think of other things I'd rather do.

These guys are very brave people. They're-- they were beautiful-looking people. They were-- they're real-- I mean, they're real American heroes, and I thought they deserved to be invited. And I invited 'em to the White House, the Oval Office, including the mechanics and the people behind the scenes, I invited--

NORAH O'DONNELL: I saw that.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: --a lot of 'em. And they told me something I didn't know. They said, "Sir, for 22 years we've been practicing this route. Our predecessors," obviously, before them-- but "our predecessors and ourselves, for 22 years we've been practicing this hit, three times a year, every year, for 22 years. And you were the only president that let us do our job."

I said, "Let me ask you. Is this a job you wanted to do?" "Yes, sir, 'cause it was the right thing." These are really brave people. These are really amazing people, and talented people. When you can hit at midnight with no moon, with no vision, every single air shaft, where that bomb went deep into that mountain and exploded and beat the hell out of it, I'll tell you what, they deserve to come to the White House. I gave 'em all a medal. They deserve to come to the White House. And it was a pleasure to meet 'em. These are great people. We have great people in this country.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Mr. President, we've talked about foreign policy, now let's focus on issues here at home--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Okay, sure.

NORAH O'DONNELL: --some of that you have already mentioned. We are now approaching the longest shutdown in American history.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Democrats' fault.


NORAH O'DONNELL: Under your presidency, we're talking about more than a million federal workers who are not getting a paycheck, including our air traffic controllers. You see there's traffic snarls out at the airports now. This weekend food aid for more than 42 million Americans is set to expire. What are you doing as president to end the shutdown?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, what we're doing is we keep voting. I mean, the Republicans are voting almost unanimously to end it, and the Democrats keep voting against ending it
. You know, they've never had this. This has happened like 18 times before. The Democrats always voted for an extension, always saying, "Give us an extension, we'll work it out."

They don't wanna give us an extension because they used to think it was good for him, but the polls are turning around because-- not turning around. I just saw a poll where they're down 20-25%. What's happening is the people understand they're losing so much, they call it Trump derangement syndrome. They are losing so much that they don't know what to do. They've lost their way. They've become crazed lunatics. And all they have to do, Norah, is say, "Let's vote." And you can open the-- the economy could open up during our interview--

NORAH O'DONNELL: Is there something you can do, though--


PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Maybe it did.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Is there something you can do--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: All I can do--

NORAH O'DONNELL: --to bring this to an end?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: --is give the facts. Here's what I can't do. I can't give them $1.5 trillion so that they can give welfare to people that came into our country illegally. So that prisoners, and that people from mental institutions, and people that are drug dealers get vast amounts of money for healthcare. That I can't do--

NORAH O'DONNELL: So my under--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: What I can do is I can continue to run a great country. We have the best economy we've ever had. I can continue to do that. What they should do-- look, this started a long time ago. I always said-- and you know I've been very consistent-- Obamacare is terrible.

It's bad healthcare at far too high a price. We should fix that. We should fix it. And we can fix it with the Democrats. All they have to do is let the country open and we'll fix it
. But, you know, people are gonna get an 18-19% increase in Obamacare. It was a faulty program, it should've never been approved. But it was approved.

NORAH O'DONNELL: So now that we're in--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: If we fix it it'll be-- one of the greatest achievements. But--

NORAH O'DONNELL: But if ending the government shutdown--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: --they have to let the country open, and I'll sit down with the Democrats, and we'll fix it. But they have to let the country-- and you know what they have to do--

NORAH O'DONNELL: So your plan--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: All they have to do is raise five hands. We don't need all of ''em.

NORAH O'DONNELL: But so you're saying your plan is to tell the Democrats to vote the-- to end the shutdown.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Correct, very simple.

NORAH O'DONNELL: And that you will put forward a healthcare plan?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: No. We will work on fixing the bad healthcare that we have. Right now, we have terrible healthcare and too expensive for the people, not for the government, for the people.

NORAH O'DONNELL: But Mr. President, with all due respect--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: The people are paying--

NORAH O'DONNELL: --you've been talking about fixing the healthcare insurance plan since 2015--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Sure. And you can't do it because of the Democrats. That's right.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Since 2015, you said you'd fix it.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I've been talking about it for a long time. We almost did it. We were one vote short. We woulda had great healthcare. We were one vote short. And coupla Senators that we currently have made the mistake, and they-- they made a big mistake. John McCain made a mistake, frankly.

We were one vote short. We woulda had great healthcare. And I've been saying ever since, "We can fix it. It's too expen--"
it's got two things. It's too expensive, and it's lousy healthcare. It's too expensive for the people. They're gonna get a very big increase this year. And it's because--

NORAH O'DONNELL: Well, they're gonna get an increase if they don't-- if you don't extend the subsidies.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: No, no. But the subsidies is part of it. We're supposed to spend trillions of dollars to take care of something that-- that is defective. What I'm saying is, we can make it much less expensive for people and give them much better healthcare. And I'd be--

NORAH O'DONNELL: But where is that plan?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: --willing to work with the Democrats--

NORAH O'DONNELL: But where is that plan?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: --on it. The problem is, they want to give money to prisoners, to drug dealers, to all these millions of people that were allowed to come in with an open border from Biden. And nobody can do that.
Not--

NORAH O'DONNELL: Can I just--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: --one Republican would ever do that.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Can I just button that up? Because the extension of these Obamacare subsidies, if they are not extended is that's what the Democrats are pushing for. I know you understand that. Tens of millions of Americans will see their monthly payments double.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: No, no. It's going to double--

NORAH O'DONNELL: That's a lot.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: --anyway. It's gonna double anyway--

NORAH O'DONNELL: My understanding is, it's just the...but can I-- may I just-- my understanding is, if those healthcare subsidies are not expan-- extended, premiums will double for many of the people that are on it. And I was looking into it. Three quarters of these people that will see their healthcare premiums double live in states where you won in the last election. I mean, even here in Florida has the highest number of residents on Obamacare in the country. If those--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: And I'm saying we can fix it, Norah.

NORAH O'DONNELL: But if the subsidies are not extended, they're not gonna be able to afford health insurance--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Look. It was a defective plan put into line by Barack Hussein Obama, who was a lousy president, not nearly as bad as Biden, by the way, who by the way is building a museum that's, like, four times over budget. It'll never open, built in a neighborhood that-- you know, it's just not gonna work. The neighborhood doesn't even want 'em.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Okay.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: And it's a disaster. The same guy that did his museum, which is a total catastrophe, came up with a bad healthcare plan. And for the sake of one vote, we would have had, you know, it's so sad thinking back--


NORAH O'DONNELL: But how-- I guess the question is-- I hear you.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: If we had the vote, that one vote, we would have great healthcare at a much lower cost, and that's what I want. But I don't want to give $1.5 trillion to prisoners and drug dealers and-- and the people that-- that came into our country from mental institutions. What they allowed to come into our country, and we're getting 'em out, but what they allowed to come into our country, Norah, is horrible. So--

NORAH O'DONNELL: I just--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: --ready?

NORAH O'DONNELL: Okay.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: We can make it good.


NORAH O'DONNELL: I don't want to get into a back-- too much of a back and forth on this--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: No, but here's all I have to do. Open up the country. Open up the country.

NORAH O'DONNELL: You mean, end the shutdown--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: We only need five of the-- of their votes. We only need five votes, and already a couple of Democrats, a few Democrats are already voting. They want to open up. And we'll fix all of those problems.

NORAH O'DONNELL: You're st--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Those problems are much easier than what I just did with solving all these wars.
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NORAH O'DONNELL: Last question--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: We had-- wait a minute, we had nine wars on our planet. I solved eight of 'em. I have one to go, Russia-Ukraine. I thought that was gonna be one of the easier ones but it's not because Putin is tougher than people thought--

NORAH O'DONNELL: You have-- you-- you have helped these government shutdowns in the past when it came about--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I did.


NORAH O'DONNELL: And you did it by bringing back--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I'm very good at it, but I'm not gonna do it by--

NORAH O'DONNELL: You brought members of Congress to--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: --I'm not gonna do it by extortion--

NORAH O'DONNELL: --to the White House.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I'm not gonna do it by being extorted by the Democrats who have lost their way. The-- there's something wrong with these people.

NORAH O'DONNELL: So then what happens on November 15th--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Schumer-- Schumer is a basket case.


NORAH O'DONNELL: --when the troops don't get a paycheck?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Schumer is a basket case. He's gonna be defeated in the next election by a vast number of people. And he has nothing to lose. He's become-- I just left Japan. He's become a kaz-- kamikaze pilot. This guy--

NORAH O'DONNELL: It sounds like-- it sounds like this is not gonna get solved--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: --is, this guy is a kamikaze. He would rather see the country fail than have Trump and the Republicans do well. But the people don't want that--

NORAH O'DONNELL: It's, I know, I hear you. It sounds like--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: So we have a record-setting country right now, and we're not gonna be extorted by a man who's grossly incompetent, who-- who is gonna be defeated by any one of five different candidates. We're not gonna let that happen--

NORAH O'DONNELL: It sounds like this is not gonna get solved.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Say it?

NORAH O'DONNELL: It sounds like it's not gonna get solved, the shutdown.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: It's gonna get solved, yeah. Oh, it's gonna get solved.

NORAH O'DONNELL: How?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: We'll get it solved. Eventually, they're gonna have to vote.

NORAH O'DONNELL: You're saying the Democrats will capitulate?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I think they have to.
I mean, look, I-- I use the word kamikaze, not freely. I don't like to have to use that word. They are kamikazes, but there are gonna be four or five Democrats that come. We need five. They're gonna come and vote.

NORAH O'DONNELL: That's--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: And if they don't vote, that's their problem. Now, I happen to agree to something else. I think we should do the nuclear option. This is a totally different nuclear, by the way. It's called ending the filibuster.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Did you see John Thune said today they're not gonna do that--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I know John doesn't-- well, John and a few others. But, you know what? The Republicans have to get tougher. If we end the filibuster, we can do exactly what we want. We're not gonna lose power.
The theory is, oh, then we'll do it, but then when they get into power someday they'll do it. That's true. But you know what?

NORAH O'DONNELL: So you think John--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: We're here right now. No, I like John Thune. I think he's terrific, but I disagree with him on this point.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Okay.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I don't-- I don't even know-- actually, I don't even know his attitude on the filibuster, but I think we should do it--

NORAH O'DONNELL: He j-- he said today he wasn't gonna do it.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, that's too bad. You know, I mean, I think we're much better off. 'Cause here's the problem. The Democrats will do it in the first week in office. The Democrats, and I told that to John. The de-- and I get along with him great. We've had a great relationship--

NORAH O'DONNELL: Yes.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: And I also know there are other Republicans that feel the other way. And I understand that too, but they're wrong. The Democrats will do it. If they get into power and someday I guess they will. Who knows? It's hard to believe when they have men in women's sports, open borders, open everything, a transgender for everyone. The Democrats will do it in their first day in office, and the only reason they didn't do it is because of Sinema and because of a man named Joe Manchin from West Virginia--

NORAH O'DONNELL: Senator Kyrsten Sinema--.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: -- good man. And they disagreed with it. Now wait. Had they approved it, I think just one of 'em, had they been able to get those votes, you would have had the nuclear option used. You would have had the filibuster ended, and the Democrats would have used it.

So I say to the Republicans that want to be, you know, all like, "Oh, well, we-- you know, we're above all that," the Democrats will do it. See, the Republicans have much better policy. We have smart policy. We have great policy. That's how we win. The Democrats are vicious. They're vicious. They have horrible policy, but they are the most vicious human beings on Earth. They are people that weaponize government. They do a lotta bad things. But--

NORAH O'DONNELL: Can I ask you about--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: --the good thing is, from our standpoint, from the standpoint of winning is, they have the worst policy of-- it's hard to believe. Think of it. Open borders, men playing in women's sports, transgender for everybody. I mean, I could go point-- these are not 80:20--

NORAH O'DONNELL: Can I ask you about the economy--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: --these are 99:1 issues. And they don't change. I just watched this morning a show where--

NORAH O'DONNELL: Mr. President, can I ask you about the-- the economy--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Yeah, just-- just one thing. I watched a show this morning where a very well-known Democrat Congressman was fighting like hell for men playing in women's sports. They don't change it--

NORAH O'DONNELL: Who was that?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I don't want to tell.
You'll be able to check it. Just check your local TV.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Okay. On the economy, the signature part of your economic plan is tariffs. The Supreme Court is gonna hear arguments this week on whether you have the authority to impose these sweeping tariffs without Congressional approval. The lower courts have ruled against you. That's why it's at--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, no.

NORAH O'DONNELL: --the Supreme Court right now.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Very close rulings, yeah.

NORAH O'DONNELL: What happens to your economic plan if the Supreme Court invalidates your tariffs?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I think our country will be immeasurably hurt. I think our economy will go to hell. Look, because of tariffs, we have the highest stock market we've ever had. Because of tariffs, 401(k)s at the highest level that-- and this is millions and millions of people that we've ever had 401(k)s.

Because of tariffs, I've ended six of the eight wars that I've ended, and
it'll end up being used also for the last war in a different way. Because of tariffs and the economy, but because of tariffs, we have a great economy. Because of tariffs, our country is wealthy again. Because of tariffs, tremendously good things happened. Because of tariffs, our country is respected again. Because of tariffs, a president--

NORAH O'DONNELL: So what if the Supreme--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: --wait a minute. Because of tariffs, President Xi allowed us to win every single point. He bought billions and billions of dollars of-- of our soybeans, of our everyth-- it was the money they're spending. When I came out, did you see what happened with the farmers? They're having rallies for Trump right now because of tariffs.

Because it gives us national security. If we didn't have tariffs, and remember this. Tariffs are used against us. Let me talk about that lawsuit. That lawsuit against us was instituted and backed by foreign countries that have been ripping us off for years.

They don't want it because they were rippin' us off for years. And if we lose that lawsuit, they'll continue to rip us off and you're not gonna end up with a country. I think it's the most important subject discussed by the Supreme Court in 100 years.


If they don't-- if they take away the power of tariffs from us, and it has to be quick and nimble, you can't have Congress, well, hundreds of people have to look. They can't even agree to continue a country. You can't have Congress here. This has to be quick and nimble. As an example--

NORAH O'DONNELL: Well, you just-- finish that sentence. You said, "If they take away my power to do tariffs," what?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: It would be a very sad day for the United States of America. We're making a lot of money. We're respected again all over the world. We have great national security. Let me give you an example. With China, they were, you know, very strongly threatening us frankly with the rare earths.

And then I said, "Well, if you're gonna play that card, I'm gonna put a 100% tariff on over and above what you're already paying," which was 55%, which was very high. A lotta money coming in, tremendous money like we've never seen. "I'm gonna put a 100% tariff on everything over and above."

And you know what happened? We got a phone call 20 minutes later. "We'd like to talk." If they take away the right to tariff, if they-- if-- if we're forced to use Congress to approve, they can't approve anything. They would be sitting around for years debating whether or not we should use tariffs. If they take--

NORAH O'DONNELL: You want that power. You want that executive power.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: You need it to ru-- to protect our country. This is a national secure-- tariffs are national security. If you take away the right to tariff, and remember this.

NORAH O'DONNELL: And--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Tariffs have been used against us.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Can you just answer that question that tariffs have led to inflation? They have led to an increase in cost of living for most Americans--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: They haven't led to inflation. We have no inflation. We have no inflation. Biden had inflation, and he didn't have tariffs. He didn't use tariffs.


NORAH O'DONNELL: For the average American--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: You know why he didn't use 'em? 'Cause he's not smart enough to use 'em.

NORAH O'DONNELL: But the companies say they passed on more than 30% of these costs to the American consumer off the tariffs--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Okay, ready, are you ready?

NORAH O'DONNELL: Somebody has to pay for it.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Yeah. You have to pay, but we don't have any inflation. Inflation is the que-- is the real test of paying.
Everybody said, "Oh, if you do tariffs, you're gonna have inflation." So Biden had the highest inflation in the history of our country by far, okay. No tariffs.

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11/4/25

No — generally, tariffs push inflation up, not down.

Here’s how it works:

1. Tariffs Are a Tax on Imports

When the U.S. imposes tariffs on goods coming from abroad (for example, Chinese electronics or Mexican steel), the importers pay the tariff to U.S. Customs. Those companies usually pass that cost on to wholesalers, retailers, and ultimately consumers.

2. The Inflation Connection

Because tariffs increase the prices of imported goods — and often the domestic goods that compete with them — the Consumer Price Index (CPI) goes up. That’s inflationary pressure, not deflationary.


For example:

2018–2019 Trump-era tariffs on Chinese goods raised U.S. consumer prices by an estimated 0.2–0.4% overall, according to studies from the New York Fed and Brookings.

Tariffs on inputs (like aluminum or semiconductors) also increase costs for U.S. manufacturers, who then raise their prices to stay profitable.

3. When Might It Seem to Help Inflation

There’s only a narrow, temporary exception:

If tariffs reduce demand — because people stop buying expensive imported items — that can cool the economy slightly, which could indirectly lower inflation.

But that’s not a healthy or deliberate anti-inflation tool — it’s a drag on growth and trade.

4. Bottom Line

Tariffs don’t bring inflation down.

They raise prices and can contribute to higher inflation.


I have very modest tariffs compared. Let me tell you. These tariffs ultimately are so good that at some point when they're used properly, and I use them more properly than anybody's ever even dreamt possible, think of it. We become rich. We're taking in trillions of dollars.

And I have no inflation. And I have total national security.
When I put the 100% tariff on China over and above what they were already paying, which was about 55%, so 155%, they came to the table immediately and they made a deal with us that was a very fair deal. That's called national security. And then I didn't make 'em pay the 100%. That would have been instituted. That would have come to fore on November 1st. Norah, Norah, listen to me--

NORAH O'DONNELL: I know our time with you is limited. I hear you.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: If I didn't have the power of tariff, we would be-- we would be like a subject nation. We'd be subject to everyone else. Everybody uses tariffs on us. If I wasn't allowed to use tariffs on them, we would be a third rate-- we would be a third world nation.


NORAH O'DONNELL: I know your time is limited, so I do want to make sure I get through another-- more of these topics.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Sure.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Immigration. I mean, you campaigned on immigration. You largely won the election on a promise to close the border--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Did great job, don't you think?

NORAH O'DONNELL: --and you succeeded on that. Illegal crossings at the Southern border are at a 55-year low. Want to ask you about this. More recently, Americans have been watching videos of ICE tackling a young mother, tear gas being used in a Chicago residential neighborhood, and the smashing of car windows. Have some of these raids gone too far?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: No. I think they haven't gone far enough because we've been held back by the-- by the judges, by the liberal judges that were put in by Biden and by Obama. We've been held--

NORAH O'DONNELL: You're okay with those tactics?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Yeah, because you have to get the people out
. You know, you have to look at the people. Many of them are murderers. Many of them are people that were thrown outta their countries because they were, you know, criminals. Many of them are people from jails and prisons. Many of them are people from frankly mental institutions. I feel badly about that, but they're released from insane asylums. You know why? Because they're killers.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Well, you promised in your campaign that you were going to deport the worst of the worst, violent criminals--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: That's what I'm-- oh we're doin' that--


NORAH O'DONNELL: --rapists.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, that's what we're doing--

NORAH O'DONNELL: But a lot of the people that your administration has arrested and deported aren't violent criminals. Landscapers, nannies, construction workers--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Oh, no, no, landscapers who are criminals--

NORAH O'DONNELL: --farmworkers.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Now, look, look.

NORAH O'DONNELL: The family of US service members--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I need landscapers and I need farmers more than anybody, okay.


NORAH O'DONNELL: But was it your in--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: We-- and we want to-- we focus on the bad ones, and we've gotten tremendous numbers of bad people. Don't forget.

NORAH O'DONNELL: The-- there--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: When you have over 11,000 murderers released into our country, over 11,000, 50% of which have murdered more than one person, we gotta get 'em outta here.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Is it your intent to deport people who do not have a criminal record?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: We have to start off with a policy, and the policy has to be you came into the country illegally, you're gonna go out. However, you've also seen, you're gonna go out. We're gonna work with you, and you're gonna come back into our country legally. Because we have a lotta good people. We have some great people.
But, you know, the problem we have, and people don't like talking about-- these are very--

NORAH O'DONNELL: But there isn't--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: --wait. These are very smart countries. Their leaders are very smart. They're very street-wise. They might not have gone to the finest schools, but they're very street-wise. They want-- they don't want, they have good people. They want people that are bad out.

So they, what do they do? They open their jails. They let 'em out. They get rid of their drug dealers. They let 'em out. But you know who else they get out? The people that are on welfare that aren't working. In other words, they have people that just don't work. They don't want people that just don't work, so they put them into our country.

NORAH O'DONNELL: But if someone has been in this--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: And we've accepted all of these people because of Biden's open border policy where people would walk in totally unchecked and unvetted, murderers and everybody else.

NORAH O'DONNELL: When will you declare mission accomplished on immigration?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, it takes a long time, because, you know, probably I say 25 million people were let into our country. A lotta people say it was 10 million people. But whether it was ten or-- I believe I'm much closer to the right number. Of the 25, many of them should not be here. Many of them.


But we're-- we're cleaning up our cities. You know, I campaigned on crime, but I've done a much better job on crime than I thought. You know, the crime numbers are way down, even though we have a lot more people in our country that really shouldn't be here. And many of them are stone-cold hard criminals. When I look at D.C. now, you can walk down the middle of the street. You can have your daughter who's ten years old meet you at the park. She's gonna be okay.

NORAH O'DONNELL: In certain parts of D.C.--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: She woulda been murdered. Well, I-- in almost--

NORAH O'DONNELL: I live in D.C.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, you tell me--

NORAH O'DONNELL: Certain parts of D.C.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: How big a difference is D.C. now compared to what it was a year ago?


NORAH O'DONNELL: Uh-huh.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Right? I mean, you have to be honest with me. People walk-- people in the White House, they walk up to me, young ladies I've never seen. "Sir, thank you very much." I know-- I-- they don't even have to tell me what they're thanking me for.

But when I ask why? He said-- she-- one girl said, "I'd get into Uber and I felt dangerous even in an Uber." They'd attack the car, okay. It wasn't even safe then. "Sir, I now walk to work every day and I walk, I-- I-- I-- I'm so safe. I f-- there's nothing going to happen. 100% safe." And you know that too, Norah.

NORAH O'DONNELL: I wanna ask you about the s--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: You live here. You know that too.

NORAH O'DONNELL: I wanna ask you about amer--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Do you see a difference?

NORAH O'DONNELL: --American cities--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: You see a difference?

NORAH O'DONNELL: --in Washington, D.C.?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Yes.

NORAH O'DONNELL: I think I've been working too hard. I haven't been out and about that much--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Oh, that's not a fair answer. You see the difference.

NORAH O'DONNELL: I get in my car and go to work and I go home--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: That's good. You don't have to use that one. Don't worry. Don't worry. I don't want to embarrass her.

NORAH O'DONNELL: I've been working too hard--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: It's-- it's like you know what the difference is? Like, day and night.


NORAH O'DONNELL: I want to ask you more about some American cities.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Sure.

NORAH O'DONNELL: We are about-- we're on the eve a number of big state and local elections. One of the most watched is the one for Mayor of New York City.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Yeah.

NORAH O'DONNELL:. . . he is, Zohran Mamdani, 34-year-old Democratic Socialist. He's the front runner--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Communist, not Socialist. Communist. He's far--

NORAH O'DONNELL: Some--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: --he's far worse than a Socialist.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Some people have compared him to a left-wing version of you, charismatic, breaking the old rules. What do you think about that?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, I think I'm a much better looking person than him, right?

NORAH O'DONNELL: Okay. Well, former governor Andrew Cuomo, who you know is campaigning for mayor, he recently said that "If Mamdani becomes Mayor of New York City that you will take over New York." Cuomo said this. He said, "He will be President Trump and Mayor Trump. He's gonna take over New York and send tanks down Fifth Avenue."

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Oh, that's so crazy. Look.
When I left New York, we were at the-- the epitome of it was a great city. It was doing great. It was a great city, but there were some bad sides, because we had a guy named de Blasio, who was the worst mayor. Like I say Biden was the worst president, de Blasio was the worst mayor in history--

NORAH O'DONNELL: What if Mamdani becomes mayor?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I think he's probably gonna make de Blasio look great. I think he will make de Blasio look like one of our great mayors. De Blasio was the worst mayor we've ever had. Now I saw that, you know, but I was sort of leaving during that period of time.

I got to see de Blasio, how bad a mayor he was, and this man will do a worse job than de Blasio by far. And it's gonna be hard for me as the president to give a lot of money to New York. Because if you have a Communist running New York, all you're doing is wasting the money you're sending there. So I don't know that he's won, and I'm not a fan of Cuomo one way or the other, but if it's gonna be between a bad Democrat and a Communist, I'm gonna pick the bad Democrat all the time, to be honest with you.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Uh-huh. This past Tuesday, while speaking to American troops in Japan, you talked about U.S. cities that are having trouble with crime. And you said, "If we need more than the National Guard, we'll send more than the National Guard." What does that mean, send more than the National Guard?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, if you had to send in the Army or if you had to send in the Marines, I'd do that in a heartbeat. You know, you have a thing called the Insurrection Act. You know that, right?

NORAH O'DONNELL: Uh-huh.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Do you know that I could use that immediately and no judge can even challenge you on that. But I haven't chosen to do it because I haven't felt we need it.
Do you know that we have a place called Chicago that, with a very bad governor. They threw him outta the family business. He became governor. Do you know that 4,000 people were murdered during his governorship. 4,000 people were murdered during his governorship, and yet he won't let us bring in the National Guard. He won't let us bring in -- in Chicago--

NORAH O'DONNELL: But when you say, "Send in more than the National Guard," what does that mean?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, more would be Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines.

NORAH O'DONNELL: So you're gonna send the military into American cities?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, if I wanted to I could, if I want to use the Insurrection Act. Do you know how many presidents--


NORAH O'DONNELL: Will you-- what would be the--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: No, no.

NORAH O'DONNELL: What would-- what would cause you to do that?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Do you know how many presidents have used the Insurrection Act?

NORAH O'DONNELL: Tell me.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Almost 50% of 'em. Do you know that some of the presidents, recent ones, have used it 28 times? Twenty-eight times. The Insurrection Act has been used routinely by presidents. I haven't chosen to use it, but if I-- because I've done well without it. But if I needed it, I could do it. And if I needed it, that would mean I could bring in the Army, the Marines, I could bring in whoever I want. But I haven't chosen to use it. I hope you give me credit for that.


ChatGPT
11/4/25

Here’s a quick fact-check of that exchange:

“Almost 50% of presidents have used the Insurrection Act.” → False. Best tallies show about 17 of 46 presidents (~37%) have invoked it, not “almost half.” Total invocations are roughly 30, concentrated in the 1800s–mid-1900s.

“Some of the presidents, recent ones, have used it 28 times.” → False. No single president has used it “28 times.” The total number of invocations across all presidents is about 30; the last was 1992 (George H. W. Bush during the LA riots).

“The Insurrection Act has been used routinely by presidents.” → Misleading/False. Historically used dozens of times, yes, but rare in the modern era (none since 1992). Calling it “routine” overstates its contemporary use.

“If I needed it, I could bring in the Army, the Marines, whoever I want.” → Partly true, but overstated. The Act lets a president use the armed forces (including active-duty forces and federalized Guard) in defined circumstances and after issuing a proclamation to disperse; it’s an exception to the Posse Comitatus Act.
Courts tend to defer but can still review whether statutory conditions were met.

“I haven’t chosen to use it.” → True. Trump has not invoked the Insurrection Act (he threatened to in 2020 and has floated it in 2025), so this part checks out.


NORAH O'DONNELL: I wanna ask you about -- another matter. James Comey, John Bolton, Letitia James were all recently indicted. There is a pattern to these names. They're all public figures who have publicly denounced you. Is this political retribution?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: You mean, do you think it's bad that I went after a public figure?

NORAH O'DONNELL: Is it political retribution?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: You know what? You know who got indicted, the man you're lookin' at. I got indicted, and I was innocent. And here I am, because I was able to beat all of the nonsense that was thrown at me. I got indicted. They indicted the President of the United States.

You know, they impeached me twice and I got out of it quickly and easily? They impeached me twice. These people are scum. And yet, when you go after a dirty cop like Comey or a guy like Bolton, who I hear has, I don't know anything about it, I hear he took records all over the place, who knows.

Letitia James is a terrible, dishonest person, in my opinion. Terrible. I just won the case against her. She wanted me to pay $500 million for something I didn't do anything wrong on. And the judge just overturned the-- the decision. So and then you--

NORAH O'DONNELL: Have you--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Wait, wait, wait. And then you tell me about me. Just so you understand, you say I went after these people. These people are bad people. They're dishonest people.

NORAH O'DONNELL: No, I was just asking, is it political retribution--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: And Comey's a dirty cop. Look, Comey's known as a dirty cop. I'm not known as a dirty person. They indicted me many times, indicted me. They were after me. I'm lookin' at you now. I'm President of the United States. I went through numerous indictments and two impeachments. And you tell me that I went after people? These people are dishonest.

Look. Biden didn't have a clue. He illegally used, as you know, a machine, the autopen
in order to give pardons to people. The only pardon he signed it looks like was his son, Hunter. He signed Hunter's, so, "Hunter, you're free, con-- congratulations, Hunter." But everyone else, I think those pardons are all just, were just a waste of time. Those pardons--

NORAH O'DONNELL: Did you instruct--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: -- wait a minute, those pardons--

NORAH O'DONNELL: -- the Department of Justice to go after them?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Did I what?

NORAH O'DONNELL: Did you instruct the Department of Justice to go after them?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: No, and not in any way, shape or form. No. You don't have to instruct 'em because they were so dirty, they were so crooked, they were so corrupt that the honest people we have, Pam Bondi's doin' a very good job. Kash Patel's doing a very good job.

The honest people that we have go after 'em automatically. But they instructed them to go after me, because the records now have been found. So when you tell me about I went after Comey, Comey's low on the totem pole. They went after the President of the United States. Do you know that they raided my house in Palm Beach, Florida called Mar-a-Lago? They raided my house. I had 78 or 98 FBI agents with arms--


ChatGPT
11/4/25

Here’s a tight fact-check of that line from the 60 Minutes interview:

“They raided my house … Mar-a-Lago.” → True (with wording caveat). On Aug. 8, 2022, the FBI executed a court-authorized search warrant at Mar-a-Lago. “Raid” is Trump’s phrasing; the factual part is that agents lawfully searched the property under a warrant approved by a federal magistrate judge.

“I had 78 or 98 FBI agents …” → False. Contemporary reporting and on-record accounts describe about two to three dozen agents on site—roughly “more than 30” or “over 30”—not anywhere near 78–98.

“…with arms—” (implying guns drawn/special lethal-force posture) → Misleading. FBI agents generally carry sidearms, but there’s no evidence they conducted the search with guns drawn or under some special “kill order.” The “deadly force” language Trump later cited was standard DOJ boilerplate that actually limits use of force; DOJ and FBI said there were no extra measures beyond normal policy. (Trump was not at Mar-a-Lago during the search.)

Additional context (neutral): The FBI coordinated with the Secret Service detail shortly before serving the warrant—again, standard procedure for protecting personnel and property at a former president’s residence.


NORAH O'DONNELL: I know how you--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: --come into my house. And you're telling me, Norah, that I went after some low-life named Comey, who's judged to be a crooked guy. He lied all over the place. He lied to Congress and did many other bad things.

NORAH O'DONNELL: But I was just asking, has this--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: For that, you should be ashamed.

NORAH O'DONNELL: No, no. I was just asking, is this-- is this retribution on your part?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: No, it's the opposite. I think I've been very mild-mannered. You're looking at a man who was indicted many times, and I had to beat the rap. Otherwise I couldn't have run for president. They tried to get me not to run for president by going after me and by indicting me.

But even during my term, on a perfect phone call, I got impeached. This call was perfect. Tim Scott, from South Carolina, highly respected, a legitimate person totally legit, he read the tran-- thank goodness we had a transcript of the call.

The call I got indicted on, a call on Ukraine of all places, with the President of Ukraine. It was a perfect phone call. Tim Scott said, "I just read the transcript. The President didn't do anything wrong, was perfect." And that was the end of the indictment pretty much.

But I had to go through a whole process. You know, the Democrats knew that I wasn't guilty, because they didn't know the -- the call was -- I didn't know either, the call was essentially taped. So we knew exactly what the call. When they found out that the call was taped, Nancy Pelosi went crazy.

She said, "You made me go into this mess." She screamed at all these people that made her do it, bad people like Schiff, et cetera, et cetera. So what happened is, she went nuts and just to conclude, and they said, "Let's do it anyway." They did it anyway, and I won very easily as you know. But you can't then accuse me of weaponizing government. They were horrible human beings. They went after the President of the United States. They went after my children. They went into my wife's-- drawers.


NORAH O'DONNELL: I know--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: They went into my wife's closets. They held the dresses up. She came back. She said, "Oh, what happened? What happened?" 'Cause she's a very meticulous person. Everything's nice and neat.

NORAH O'DONNELL: I've heard you talk about it.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: All of a sudden, everything's, like, they went into my office. They took things that I was allowed to have file-- under the Presidential Records Act that I was allowed to have. I had records. I was allowed to have 'em. Only the president's allowed, but I was-- and it was nothing very significant anyway.

There was, like, nothing. Wait, just one second. They opened these -- I'm a very meticulous person too. I have files, beautiful. They took the files, threw 'em all over the phone-- all over the floor. They were all over the floor-- and they took pictures of 'em.

This is my office. I said, "What the hell? That's not my office." They took files, they threw 'em all over, and they took pictures and they released 'em to the public that this is "President Trump's office. We caught him with all of this stuff," like it was all over the floor in my office. These are crooked people. These are the same. So don't ask me about, "Did you go after?" Letitia's--

NORAH O'DONNELL: I--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Letitia James, in my opinion, and I only say in my opinion 'cause I guess the lawyers would prefer that I say that 'cause I have a much stronger opinion, she's a total crook. She's a low-life. Comey's a dirty cop. Bolton actually helped me a lot because he was crazy.


He's the one who want, him and-- and Cheney, a couple people got Bush to go out and blow the hell outta the Middle East and then take-- you know, then leave. And actually, Bolton helped me 'cause every time somebody saw Bolton standing behind me, foreign countries, they conceded. You know why they conceded? 'Cause they said, "Bolton's a nut job. Trump is gonna take us to war." But I don't listen to people that are stupid. Go ahead.

NORAH O'DONNELL: And I know my time is -- is limited with you so I want to be respectful of -- of you, Mr. President. The issue of political violence I want to get to, because you were nearly assassinated in Butler, Pennsylvania. Charlie Kirk.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Yup.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Was assassinated. Pennsylvania Governor, Josh Shapiro's house was firebombed.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Uh-huh.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Minnesota lawmaker murdered. What's your message to those on the left and the right who would seek to commit acts of violence?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, I think primarily on the left. A little bit of both, but I think primarily on the left. I think they have to tone it down. I think they have to approve the shutdown so it's not shut down. I think it's very bad what they're doing. They're hurting people.

You know, if you think about it, if people aren't gonna get paid, there're gonna be, you know, a lot of angry people out there. They want to get their food. They want to get the money so they can live. In some cases-- whatever they want to get, they want to get.

I think by the Democrats not giving us the votes, I think it's-- I think it endangers both parties. I think it's very bad. There's never been a case like this. This is, you know, this is fairly standard stuff. You do auto-- extensions are almost automatic.

In fact, they were virtually automatic. This is the only time they don't want to do the extension, because they're losing so badly that they said, "Maybe we have some leverage." One of the Senators said that. "Maybe this is the first time we have some leverage."

NORAH O'DONNELL: I wonder if we're--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: But they really don't have leverage, because--

NORAH O'DONNELL: I wonder if we're at a breaking point?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: --the Republicans can't be extorted in order to ruin our country.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Do you feel like we're at a breaking point? Given everything that you--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: No.

NORAH O'DONNELL: --just said?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: No. It's been much worse.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Because you--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I mean, over-- over history?

NORAH O'DONNELL: Well.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: It's been much worse.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Sure, but the political violence that, you know, we just outlined. The number of-- of members of people in public that have been targeted--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, that's-- that's a different question. Yeah, I think--

NORAH O'DONNELL: --that have been targeted.
And then I just read that there's now a number of your cabinet secretaries and aides who are now living on military bases.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Yeah. Usually when people talk they're not the problem. It's the ones that don't talk, in terms of that. But-- yeah, I-- I think it's-- it's a lot of the rhetoric. Look, they call me a Nazi all the time. I'm not a Nazi. I'm the opposite. I'm somebody that's saving our country.

But they call me Nazi. They have talking points, you know? They have just talking points. And the press is-- is largely responsible for it. The fake news, what they've done-- I think one of the greatest terms I've ever come up with is fake news.

What they've done to our country is very bad. They have to change around. Now, nobody believes the fake news. Nobody believes 'em. I mean, they've gone, you talk about popularity, you talk about approval, their approval numbers have gone f-- from, like, in the 90s to in the teens now.

We need borders. We need fair votes. And you really need a fair press. If you -- and you do, you have some great journalists and great reporters. But you have some terrible, terrible, dishonest journalists. And I see it all the time, because I'll give 'em a story and they'll have it.

Even my trip with China, it was so successful. But of all, the Wall Street Journal, they said, Trump Lowers Tariffs. That was the headline. Trump Lowers Tariffs. That wasn't what happened. I lowered tariff-- tariffs in order to get everything that anybody could possibly dream of.

The point wasn't lowering tariffs. I put up a high number, I cut it, and I got everything. And yet the headline in the Wall Street Journal, beautiful picture of myself and President Xi, everything nice. But the headline was Trump Lowers Tariffs.

That wasn't the story. The story was Trump got everything, got everything. Including world peace. We're respected as a country. We're not threatened right now. And we're not gonna be threatened. As long as we have a strong, smart president, we're never gonna be threatened by anybody.

NORAH O'DONNELL: There's been a lotta talk about 2028 and who will be at the top of the--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well.

NORAH O'DONNELL: --Republican ticket. Can you set the record straight? You're not gonna try and run for a third term?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, I don't even think about it. I will tell you, a lotta people want me to run. But the difference between us and the Democrats is we really do have a strong bench. I don't wanna use names, because it's, you know, inappropriate. But it's too early. We're talking 3 and ¼ years--.


NORAH O'DONNELL: But people do like when you start talking about whether you like J.D. Vance or Secretary Rubio--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I do like J.D. Vance. I like--

NORAH O'DONNELL: Or secretary--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: -- Marco Rubio. I like-- I like so many people. We have an unbelievable bench. We could run two people together. We have a great bench. So I don't wanna start talking about elections. It's too early. One thing I can tell you, the 2020 election was rigged.

And a lotta people say when it's rigged you're allowed to do it again.
It was rigged. And it's been caught. And they-- and you see the same information that everybody else does. And it's coming out now in spades. But with all of that, we have a great bench.

We have unbelievable people. You could go up and down my cabinet, we have great people. They don't. They have a guy that's ruined the state of California, ruined it, destroyed it. And I have a lotta property out there, I can tell you they've ruined the state of California.

He has been terrible. Other than he's got a good line of--bullshit, that's all it is. He's ruined the state. And he's one of the people running. Jasmine Crockett, she's a low-IQ person. They say she might run for president, Jasmine Crockett. This is a very low-IQ person.

AOC, I watched her speak the other day, almost the first time she was screaming. She was like a crazy person. Her-- she's got-- not a good speaker.
Doesn't have, I don't think, but you never know what it is. You never know what it is c-- that can spark an election.

When Joe ran first time I thought he was terrible. He was horrible. I-- I won by a lot. The second time he was running he was doing very poorly, he had a bad debate, and they replaced him in the middle the election. That never-- this could only happen to me.

They replaced him with somebody, the press got behind her. Oh, they were so behind her. But eventually she failed because she couldn't speak. She wasn't a very intelligent person, in my opinion. But she couldn't speak properly. She could not speak.

And actually 60 Minutes paid me a lotta money. And you don't have to put this on, because I don't wanna embarrass you, and I'm sure you're not-- you have a great-- I think you have a great, new leader, frankly, 'cause the young woman that's leading your whole enterprise is a great-- from what I know.

I don't know her, but I hear she's a great person. But 60 Minutes was forced to pay me-- a lot of money because they took her answer out that was so bad, it was election-changing, two nights before the election. And they put a new answer in. And they paid me a lot of money for that. You can't have fake news. You've gotta have legit news. And I think that it's happening. I see--

NORAH O'DONNELL: Mr. President--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: --I see good things happening in the news. I really do. And I think one of the best things to happen is this show and new ownership, CBS and new ownership. I think it's the greatest thing that's happened in a long time to a free and open and good press.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Mr. President, can I also ask you, we're now at the end of your first year.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Yeah.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Of this second term. What do you hope to accomplish in the next three years?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I hope I can have the same year that we had. Look, we have been acknowledged to have the greatest nine months. You know, it's nine months. The greatest nine months in the history of the presidency. So if I can keep that going I'll be very happy.

Because, you know, what we've done, what we-- I inherited a mess. And I've fixed it, other than it will take a while to get all the criminals, the real criminals, the ones-- the real bad ones, out. But we've gotten a lot of them out. We've gotten a lot of the murderers out.

We've gotten a lot of the people from jails out and we've taken 'em back to their countries. In some cases they're so dangerous that we've actually had to put them in our jails because we didn't want 'em coming back. I wanna just keep it going pretty much the same way. I want safety in our cities. Our cities are a mess. And I hate to say it, they're Democrat-run cities. If you take the top 25 cities, they're almost all-- almost every one of 'em is run by Democrats.

NORAH O'DONNELL: And to people that say they're-- struggling with the cost of living, expenses--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Yeah, cashless bail--

NORAH O'DONNELL: What could you do about that--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, let me just say, cashless bail is a disaster. It's gotta be changed. Sanctuary cities really have to be changed. They're sanctuary, you know what they're sanctuary for? Criminals. Things-- some basic things have to be changed. But one of the things I really have focused on is making Chicago great again.

Making-- and we're just getting started in Chicago. But what we did in D.C., where we took D.C. from being so bad to so beautiful, such good-- the restaurants are booming. You can't get into a restaurant. They were closing and now they're all opening every-- you can't get a restaurant now.

You can't get into a restaurant. But you c-- if you wanna buy a restaurant or-- or own a restaurant you almost can't find it. I wanna make this happen all over the country. I want it to be like that in New York, in L.A., in Chicago. I wanna do it as much as you can.

You know, by the way, Memphis, we're there now. Memphis was a dangerous hellhole. 65% down in crime. And this is after two weeks. We can do it all over the place. It's turned out to be a new passion for me, making our city-- I had no idea we could be that successful. I thought it would take a much longer period of time. Do you know in Washington, in 12 days it was really good. In one month it was close to perfect.

NORAH O'DONNELL: And for those that are suffering with cost of living increases and saying they're living paycheck to paycheck--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, I'd be very upset with--

NORAH O'DONNELL: Prices are up

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: --Biden. Because we don't have any of those problems. We-- we don't have inflation. You know, essentially we don't have inflation. We-- I inherited the worst inflation in the history of our country. We don't have infl-- we're down to 2%, even less than 2%. A couple of items like beef I'm getting down. But our groceries are down--

NORAH O'DONNELL: Healthcare-- healthcare premiums?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I can fix healthcare, give them better healthcare for less money. Obamacare is-- is hurting people. Obamacare was a disaster from day one. I can fix it and make it good. I'd really rather start with a fresh plate, but if it's-- if it's required to keep it, we can make it much better.

But it's bad healthcare, and they're gonna get big increases, and that has nothing to do with me. That has to do with the fact that it was originally put into play. It's a shame. But we can make it better. Energy is way down. You know, you're gonna have $2 gasoline very soon.

Nobody could believe it. You were at $4, $5, $6, and even $7. Look at the cost of gasoline in California. What it was, I brought it down. The problem is when I bring it down here in California they put more tax. They-- they tax the gasoline to such an extent. No, we're in great shape. This country is in great shape. We're ready to really rock. As I say often--

NORAH O'DONNELL: Are you-- are you--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: --we were a dead country. We were a dead country one year ago. Now we have the hottest country anywhere in the world. Leaders have said that to me. Just recently they said that to me. Even President Xi, he said, "I'd like you-- you to be congratulated." He said it so beautifully. "I'd like you to be congratulated on the incredible job you did in bringing back the United States of America." President Xi said that to me.

NORAH O'DONNELL: I know we're out of time, but just on that matter, we talked about that-- because I know how closely you follow the stock market. Do you worry about an AI bubble?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I guess. I worry about everything, you know? I mean, you know, I'm a worrier. I worry. But you know what I do? I worry and then I fix it. I fix it. That way I don't have to worry.

NORAH O'DONNELL: There's a lotta money behind AI--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, there's a lotta money. And right now I'm taking advantage of it, because we're leading AI. You know, we're leading it by a lot. China's in second place, but we're leading it by a lot. We have the greatest minds of any country anywhere in the world, and we're using that.

I'm using those great minds to help us. Now, will something happen later? I guess, you know, something. But it could also be something very good happens. And I hope it's gonna be very good. But if it's not so good, we're protected. Our country is doing great. We're strong. We're solid. We've never been-- I think we haven't been like this in-- maybe ever. Maybe ever. We have a great country, and you should be very proud of it.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Mr. President, thank you very much for your time--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Thank you very much, Norah.

NORAH O'DONNELL:Thank you.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Do I have the opportunity to ask you two more questions?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: If you want, if it helps--

NORAH O'DONNELL: Okay. Okay. Two more questions--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: That means they'll treat me more fairly if I do-- I want to get-- It's very nice, yeah. Now is good. Okay. Uh, oh. These might be the ones I didn't want. I don't know. Okay, go ahead.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Is everybody ready?

NORAH O'DONNELL: This is a question about pardons. The Trump family is now perhaps more associated with cryptocurrency than real estate. You and your son-- your sons, Don Jr. and Eric, have formed World Liberty Financial with the Witkoff family.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Right.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Helping to make your family millions of dollars. It's in that context that I do wanna ask you about crypto's richest man, a billionaire known as C.Z. He pled guilty in 2023 to violating anti-money laundering laws.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Right.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Looked at this, the government at the time said that C.Z. had caused "significant harm to U.S. national security", essentially by allowing terrorist groups like Hamas to move millions of dollars around. Why did you pardon him?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Okay, are you ready? I don't know who he is. I know he got a four-month sentence or something like that. And I heard it was a Biden witch hunt. And what I wanna do is see crypto, 'cause if we don't do it it's gonna go to China, it's gonna go to-- this is no different to me than AI.

My sons are involved in crypto much more than I-- me. I-- I know very little about it, other than one thing. It's a huge industry. And if we're not gonna be the head of it, China, Japan, or someplace else is. So I am behind it 100%. This man was, in my opinion, from what I was told, this is, you know, a four-month sentence.

But this man was treated really badly by the Biden administration. And he was given a jail term. He's highly respected. He's a very successful guy. They sent him to jail and they really set him up. That's my opinion. I was told about it.

I said, "Eh, it may look bad if I do it. I have to do the right thing." I don't know the man at all. I don't think I ever met him. Maybe I did. Or, you know, somebody shook my hand or something. But I don't think I ever met him. I have no idea who he is.
I was told that he was a victim, just like I was and just like many other people, of a vicious, horrible group of people in the Biden administration.

NOR1AH O'DONNELL: The government had accused him of "significant harm to U.S. national security"--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: That's the Biden government.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Okay. Allowing U.S. terrorist groups to, you know, essentially move millions of dollars around. He pled guilty to anti-money laundering laws. That was in 2023. Then in 2025 his crypto exchange, Binance, helped facilitate a $2 billion purchase of World Liberty Financial's stablecoin. And then you pardoned C.Z. How do you address the appearance of pay for play?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, here's the thing, I know nothing about it because I'm too busy doing the other--

NORAH O'DONNELL: But he got a pardon--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I can only tell you that--

NORAH O'DONNELL: He got a pardon--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Norah, I can only tell you this. My sons are into it. I'm glad they are, because it's probably a great industry, crypto. I think it's good. You know, they're running a business, they're not in government. And they're good-- my one son is a number one bestseller now.

My wife just had a number one bestseller. I'm proud of them for doing that. I'm focused on this. I know nothing about the guy, other than I hear he was a victim of weaponization by government. When you say the government, you're talking about the Biden government.

It's a corrupt government. Biden was the most corrupt president and he was the worst president we've ever had. I only care about one thing. Will crypto be-- will we be number one in crypto? Crypto has turned out, and in that sense I've been right.

Crypto's turned out to be a massive industry, if you wanna call it that. And I'm very proud to say that we are far and away ahead of China and everybody else. Now, China is getting into it very big, right now.
If you wanna go after people, you're gonna kill that industry.

And it'll be very bad. Tremendous number of jobs. I campaigned positively on crypto, very openly. I campaigned. Biden campaigned against it. When Biden found out that I was getting, like, 100% of the crypto vote, which was a lot, he switched totally and he went in favor of crypto.

They were totally in favor. They had many people under indictment. They let 'em all go. They let 'em all go. You know that. Many people were under indictment. Biden was a corrupt president. Biden went all in on crypto at the very end because he thought he could get some votes.

It didn't work. They voted for me.
I wanna make crypto great for America. That's the only thing. I don't wanna have somebody else have crypto and have China be number one in the world in crypto. Because in crypto it's a kind of an industry where basically you're going to have number one and you're not gonna have a number two. And right now we're number one by a long shot. I wanna keep it that way. The same way we're number one with AI, we're number one with crypto. And I wanna keep it that way.

NORAH O'DONNELL: So not concerned about the appearance of corruption with this?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I can't say, because-- I can't say-- I'm not concerned.
I don't-- I'd rather not have you ask the question. But I let you ask it. You just came to me and you said, "Can I ask another question?" And I said, yeah. This is the question--

NORAH O'DONNELL: And you answered--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I don't mind.
Did I let you do it? I coulda walked away. I didn't have to answer this question. I'm proud to answer the question. You know why? We've taken crypto--

NORAH O'DONNELL: But just generally speak--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Excuse me. We're number one in crypto in the whole world. Other people wanna be. They're fighting like hell to be. But we're number one in crypto because I'm the president.
Biden wanted to also, at the very end, you know, he totally switched his thing.

You know, Biden was totally in favor of crypto at the end. Do you know that many people that were indicted under Biden for crypto, at the very end before the election, were let go? You know why? He wanted the vote.
We are number one in crypto and that's the only thing I care about. I don't want China or anybody else to take it away. It's a massive industry.

NORAH O'DONNELL: Mr. President, thank you.


PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Thank you very much.
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[Donald Trump] [D]o you think it's bad that I went after a public figure?... These people are scum….Wait, wait, wait. And then you tell me about me. Just so you understand, you say I went after these people. These people are bad people. They're dishonest people….I went through numerous indictments and two impeachments. And you tell me that I went after people?... So when you tell me about I went after Comey, Comey's low on the totem pole. They went after the President of the United States….And you're telling me, Norah, that I went after some low-life named Comey,… you should be ashamed….and I won very easily as you know. But you can't then accuse me of weaponizing government. They were horrible human beings….So don't ask me about, "Did you go after?"…

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EXCLUSIVE: Kash Patel Dances Around Israelis On 9/10. | Candace Ep 258
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Jumping back into the investigation because I have some INCREDIBLY interesting updates for you about a country that is “only the size of New Jersey”. In other news, we have some interesting data points to add to our timeline regarding the McCoys.



All right, you guys. Let's jump right back into it, back into the investigation because I have some incredibly interesting updates for you.
Actually, some explosive revelations regarding the Charlie Kirk case. Now, buckle up because there's this country
that's only the size of New Jersey. It's always the victim. It turns out that they had some people on the ground that
day. And I just want to be clear here, no matter what I say throughout this episode, please remember that they are always the victim. historically have
always been the victim and they have done nothing wrong. Didn't do nothing wrong on 910 either. In other news, the
McCoys, let's jump back into their story because I've learned some crazy interesting data points to add to our
timeline. You know, I love me a timeline. So, let's jump back in. Welcome back to Candace.
[Music]
The McCoy succession plan.
Do you know that moment when your subconscious uh kind of meets your
conscious? Like you just suddenly your subconscious is storing all this information and it's maybe flagging something for you that's a little weird,
but you haven't come to realize it yet. And then all of a sudden the information breaks the surface and you're like,
"Aha, I got it. I didn't even realize that that thing that happened a long time ago was a little bit weird. And
suddenly you're behaving like Dory the Bluefish from the movie Finding Nemo when she remembers the P. Sherman
address from Australia. You guys know that moment. Take a watch. SH
Sydney. P Sherman 42. Sydney
[Music] Nemo. Yes. Nemo. Crime solved. Okay, that is how it
works. Never ignore your subconscious. That's why I say pay attention to my dreams. I don't care who has to laugh at
me about it. And there was this little something that flagged in the back of my mind as odd in the aftermath of
Charlie's assassination. One of these things that might seem small, but it's always the small details that help to
paint the broader and bigger picture. Right. L. Woods in the movie Legally Blonde. She was absolutely correct when
she said that people who work out have endorphins and happy people don't kill their husbands. Anyway, the thing that I
realized is that Mikey McCoy, the chief of staff of Turning Point USA, Mikey McCoy, for whatever reason, he always
requires an adjective. Whenever they discuss Mikey McCoy, there's an adjective before they say his name. A
bunch of people in the Turning Point USA orbit described Mikey McCoy in this very unique manner. I want you to take a
listen to that. Let me tell you who the heroes were in this whole thing. We're going to start
with 23 23-year-old Mikey McCoy. And that's when the great Mikey McCoy showed
up. and my husband's chief of staff, the amazing Mikey McCoy.
My friend Mikey McCoy, the brilliant 24 year old who at the time when Charlie was shot was 23 and was a hero that day.
I used to be known as Charlie Kurt's pastor. Now I'm known as Mikey McCoy's dad. He clicked into gear eventually. It was
amazing. Mikey was a heroic figure on that day.
Amazing. Heroic. He was brilliant. It stood out to me really because it's only Mikey
that they moved to do it for. And objectively speaking, okay, I don't care what your experience in life is. I would
not move to insist that someone was quote unquote heroic for walking away
from their friend after he was shot. Okay? I just wouldn't that wouldn't be the adjective that came to my mind.
Heroic. I also don't feel the need ever to qualify any of my friends with an
adjective. Think about how strange it would be if on this show, every time I cover Tucker Carlson, I was like, "The spectacular
Tucker Carlson. The breathtaking Tucker Carlson is under attack in this moment." You'd be like, "Why are you doing that?
Why do I feel like you're trying to program me?" This only made me more interested in Mikey and the McCoy story.
And I want to be super clear here. No innuendo. I don't think that I know that
Mikey McCoy did not kill Charlie Kirk. We watch him in those moments. But it's also becoming pretty apparent to me that
the stage was being set for Mikey to become the new Charlie. In fact, on stage at the memorial event for Charlie
and elsewhere, they were trying to prime the public for that plausibility. Almost
like it was this psychological operation, nod to Rob McCoy and his family lineage, to see Mikey as capable
of filling Charlie's shoes. Take a listen. Let me tell you something about Mikey.
Mikey's been with Charlie for several years. He's 23 years old. He is wise be bond beyond his years. And when that
tragedy struck, Mikey was an absolute hero who kept everybody calm and did
some of the most mundane things you would think you would need to do on the
worst day of his life. And he continues to be a rock. He's been following Jesus for a long time. Um, I'm hoping that
Mikey one day will follow in Charlie's footsteps right to the college campus because he has the ability, the
demeanor, the grace, the knowledge to do so. Set an example for the believers
in speech and conduct and love, in faith
and in purity. Our speaker today, Mikey McCoy, has done that. His path
was pretty much like Charlie Kirk's path. Pretty much like Charlie Kirk's path.
And he's got the grace and the wits and everything. It's amazing. Okay. And if you're wondering why we also included
Erica saying the amazing Mikey McCoy in her first speech, it's because Rob McCoy
oddly refers back to Erica's speech when he is asked specifically what he
believes Mikey's future is going to be at Turning Point USA. Okay. He's going to start, you're going to see he's going
to answer a question. The show is Faith, the Faith Forward Show. And he starts to
answer the question, but then he sort of cuts himself off and he trails into a different topic almost as if he catches
himself. Take a listen. And then Mikey specifically like how he's going to kind of fit into that
picture because when I'm seeing him speak, man, I'm like, dude, this Mikey is going to have a humongous role within
this organization. So Charlie was an avid journaler journaler. Very avid.
And when Erica started opening up his journals after he was killed, she started reading. Charlie had a plan all
the way through 2028. Wow. Written out. Written out.
I mean, there's an order of success succession. And and when so when she comes out and she
says the amazing I think she said the amazing Mikey McCoy McCoy. Yeah. Um
they and this is one of the things I I I would share with Mikey. I share with
Charlie and I I learned it from Steve Smotherman and Pastor Steve Smotherman said it to Charlie
in a in in a where where you're a public figure, you have very little private
privacy. That was weird, right?
That's a weird way to try to answer that question. What's he doing there? Is he trying to make us believe but not
explicitly state but kind of explicitly state or maybe implicitly state that
Charlie's future or rather Mikey McCoy's future was written by Charlie in one of
these journal that's what I was picking up that's what I feel like he was throwing down let me know if I'm crazy
but that was a weird way to answer and he's like so when Erica comes out and she says the amazing Mikey McCoy he talks about the journals what's going on
here now I'm going to give you some data points to back this up. Now, I maintain that the wonderful Mikey McCoy doesn't
strike me as intrinsically evil. Something Charlie used to always say to me is the eyes are the window to the
soul. I don't see this intrinsic evil when I look in Mikey McCoy's eyes. But,
however, I do think he was hyped. Okay, I think Mikey was promised or told or
encouraged that he would become the new Charlie. And it is a fact that that was the number one sentiment that we
received from our Turning Point USA insiders following Charlie's assassination that the you know
supercalifragilistic ispialocious Mikey McCoy appeared to have like an extra
spring in his step that made them all a little bit uncomfortable in the aftermath and that he seemed all too
happy to assume Charlie's position. Look, he's already speaking at Liberty University. Why? Because he made some
phone calls. that that's have we lowered the standards for what makes somebody a hero in 2025?
I I don't know. And I will say that beyond the sentiment that was expressed to us from the Turning Point USA
insiders, there are some interesting facts. Fact number one, for whatever
reason, um, in the month, and I'm going to make sure that I address my timeline
here, in the month leading up to Charlie's
um, death, Mikey McCoy was interested in capturing some behind the scenes
footage, more intimate moments of Charlie's life. And I'm going to give you two examples of of that. Okay.
Example number one, Charlie's very last overseas trip to Korea. This was four
days before he died. For whatever reason, Mikey McCoy felt suddenly inspired to try his luck mking up
Charlie and capturing him on the road. And he says this is the first time he ever did it. Take a listen to Mikey
McCoy explain that. Today is really fun because Mikey and Blake are going to talk about their last
trip with Charlie to Asia. Y and Mikey, you are now in the driver's seat. The floor is yours. Yeah. Uh, it's
crazy to think that was just three, four days before Utah and we, it was
Charlie's dream to always go to Asia and Blake and I got the gift of being able to tag along for that.
Uh, and so I brought the camera with me. I've never traveled with the camera before, but I decided, you know, it
would be a good idea to mic Charlie up, do some content with him while we're there. And
okay, that is remarkable. Obviously, for the first time, he decided to mic. It's not
something that somebody does as a chief of staff. It's not something that somebody does in that role. Okay. I've traveled with Charlie everywhere. Very
strange. The person that mics is always the AV person. And I would assume there were some AV people that were on hand uh
given the trip. But anyways, that's not it. Okay, that's not just one point that we have. And don't worry because I'm
going to show you after I plotted all of this into our timeline. Just a few weeks before Charlie died, Mikey McCoy and his
wife Eliza for the very first time. Now, this is according to Eliza McCoy, she
shared that it was the first time ever that they went on vacation. Her and Mikey went on vacation with Erica and
Charlie. Here's that post on Instagram. That second paragraph begins, "We spent a few weeks together this summer. Our
first family trip together." Okay, getting real close there. And while they
were on this very first time together for a couple of weeks vacation, something moved the McCoys to capture
intimate and sweet moments of the Kirk family from behind the scenes. Now, you know which footage I'm talking about.
It's the footage that has since gone viral of Charlie walking with his children and Erica. Erica grabs his
hand. It's actually a very sweet moment and it moved a lot of us. People were I know I was crying when I first saw this
footage a couple of days um after Charlie uh died. Well, let me tell you guys something.
Fortunately, the McCoys were the ones that captured that footage. See, my thing is I need to know what moved them
to do that. Is are are they really just that extraordinary? Is it the extraordinarily lucky Mikey McCoy?
Because I was thinking about it because I have a big family and people with families know and you can go through
Charlie's Instagram as I have done. Uh there's always one person missing from
intimate family moments when they're on the fly. They're not planned, right? there tends to be one family member missing because one person grabs the
camera and you're capturing the kids with dad or you're capturing the kids with mom or it's just the kids whatever
it is that's how family footage when it's organic tends to look right and of course on holidays you get together you
stand up you capture a picture that is the pattern if you go through Erica Charlie's Instagram Charlie's missing or
Erica's missing and that's because they're filming each other but thankfully the McCoys were on hand in
what looks like mid July or early August into early August. According to my source, my sources, we will nail down
these specific dates in the future. We are working on it. Okay. Strikes me as odd that Mikey is just picking up the
camera and capturing these moments. I don't know. I don't know. For the first time ever, I don't like it. I don't like it at all. And if I'm in Erica's
position, I'm starting to look at him funny like what's going on here? Okay. Now, let's bring in Daddy McCoy.
Wouldn't say. He strikes me as something else entirely. And he similarly had some
rather impeccable timing. Rob McCoy, as you very well know, was the senior pastor of the Godspeak Calvary Chapel uh
in Thousand Oaks, California. You should also know, by the way, let me introduce this to you right now because I didn't
know that he was funded, his church was funded by the Wilks brothers down in
Texas. The Wilks brothers are the ones that fund Daily Wire. We're, you know, the initial seed money behind the Daily
Wire, the initial seed uh not the initial seed money behind Prageru, but they majorly fund Prager University as
well. So, that's an interesting web that's being uh woven before our eyes, right? You got PragerU and now you've
got this this church and they are part of what is described online as a cult.
It's like Christians for Jews. I don't you look into it yourself. I I honestly can't explain it, but that's just
something that you should know in the background. Anyway, for whatever reason, after 17 years as the head pastor of
that church, Rob McCoy, it was publicly announced in January of this year that he would be stepping down as the head
pastor and instead assuming the role of pastor ammeritus. Now, for the uninitiated, ameritus is basically just
an honorific title, right? bestowed upon someone after they retire from some
distinguished position. For Rob McCoy, they had planned that transition. That
transition took effect in mid July of this year. Okay, mid July of this year
is when he officially steps down from the church. Lot going on here in McCoyland. Now, in case you're thinking,
well, that doesn't mean that he was doing all of that and transitioning because he was anticipating some bigger
role at Turning Point USA and maybe therefore planning to wind down his life
in California. No, actually, that's exactly the reason that was cited when
it was reported on in January. Uh, in the Ventura County Star, they wrote,
quote, "He's approaching a transition in July. He'll step down as the senior pastor of God Speak and hand the reigns
to his son-in-law, Micah Stevens, the church's administrative and worship pastor. McCoy will become the ameritus
pastor and will still preach regularly at the church in a role that could last into the mid70s. And then it goes on to
say, "When McCoy's responsibilities grew at Turning Point USA, he and his wife sold their home in Thousand Oaks and
bought a home in the Phoenix area." Uh, now he said that he bought a different
place in Thousand Oaks. He also owns a home in Coronado near San Diego. Now,
what we can confirm to you is that Rob actually put that secondary home in
Coronado up for sale on August 24th, 2025 of this year. He listed his home up
for sale. So, suffice it to say that the fantastic, heroic, sensational McCoys
were pretty busy this summer. And I don't like it at all. I just don't like it. The vibes for me are not good. Now,
we can take a look at our timeline here with these new moves added into it. We're going to start looking at July
11th because that's when I think things reached some sort of a pinnacle. That's
the infamous speech uh that Tucker Carlson gave where he calls out Bill Aman. He starts talking about Israel,
all this stuff and things start moving. Okay. Now you can see on that's July
11th and he says that people who serve in foreign armies should be stripped of
their citizenship. He muses about where Bill Aman's wealth comes from. July 18th
is our next date on our timeline and this came from this is a great find from Sam Parker. Uh that is when Turning
Point USA uh receives a request from UVU for Charlie to hold an event at Utah
Valley. Not only do they instantly accept this request, but they also make it his first stop, which is incredible.
Uh, we can listen to a news anchor, I think this is from Fox News Salt Lake City, describe exactly when that request
went out, as we're telling you on July 18th. Take a listen. Utah Valley University has provided the document
that created the rally at which conservative activist Charlie Kirk was shot to death, but it is not providing
the security plan for that day. I'm Fox 13 investigative reporter Nate Carile.
We've been asking UVU for records related to the September 10th Kirk rally. After about six weeks, this is
the first record provided. It's the application submitted mid July by the UVU chapter of Kirk's Turning Point USA.
The applicants answer standard questions about time, place, and a description of the event. However, we noticed there is
one question not asked on the form. whether organizers need any police protection. That's a standard inquiry
at, for example, University of Utah events. Speaking of police, UVU has
denied Fox 13 News's request for a copy of the Kirk Rally security plan. The
university is citing the provision in state records laws keeping confidential quote security measures end quote. The
campus also has expressed concern that the records could interfere in any investigation and someone's right to a
fair trial. Tyler Robinson is charged with Kirk's murder. Fox 13 plans an
appeal of the denial and we are still pursuing a variety of records related to the Kirk shooting.
Well, Fox 13 News, if I can be of any assistance, you just reach out to me because I've done a lot of these events
and everything happening here is unusual. Okay. for them to honor a request. I mean, they get every
university across all 50 states trying to get Charlie and I to speak. Okay. A a
request going in that late being honored and becoming stop number one within a couple of weeks. I'm going to say that's
never happened. I'm going to dig through my inbox. Okay. I'm going to dig through my inbox. I'm going to see what the normal security protocols are because as
everybody has noticed, there was no ambulance on standby. And that's against Utah law. And so it's
interesting that they don't want to release the security plan because I'm pretty sure this was an extraordinary
first time thing where they didn't have a security plan. And I had received a tip and I do want to check this out by
the way that they also had initially slated for this event to be inside but it was moved. Again, I have to look into
that. I'm not confirming that. But if that's true as well, things are about to get very interesting. And guess what
guys, there's more. And this part is crazy. I guess it's not really crazy. I
Exclusive news on Israeli cell phones.
think I saw like Milo Yiannopoulos tweeted, I think is now I think Israel did it and that's because he was
tweeting about the bizarre lie of them saying Erica Kirk was accepting this award and they completely fictionalized
it. They've just been lying non-stop quickly, right? Uh right out the gate, BBNet and Yahoo doing propaganda rounds
uh denying that he had anything to do with the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Perfectly normal thing to do, right? Perfectly normal. For some reason, I didn't feel compelled to do that. I
didn't feel like I had to get on camera and make a statement that I didn't kill Charlie Kirk. But BBnet and Yahoo felt
that he needed to do that. And all of his sickle fans in America echoed that statement. And nobody had accused them.
A thief runth when no one pursueth. Right. Well, here's some explosive news for you that I can now beyond a shadow
of a doubt confirm. Putting my name on this. Not only can I confirm this, but I can publicly challenge the very Zionist
occupied Trump administration who is aware of this to deny it. To come out and say, "No, that's not true." Okay?
And if Cash Patel is done crying about the mean tweets on the internet regarding his sensational singing
girlfriend, he can also certainly make the time of day to deny what I am saying
if it is untrue, right? Because this is pretty relevant. Now, I should say that
some people had actually reported this earlier, like Mel. I've been telling you to follow her village crazy lady over on
X. She was actually very early with this reporting and I had heard rumors and rumblings, but I wanted to make sure
that I had verifiable proof, enough proof that I would go out on a limb, as I'm doing right now, and asserting that it is authentic and it is real. Ladies
and gentlemen, there were, for whatever reason, 12 Israeli cell phones on the
ground at Utah Valley University the day that Charlie Kirk was assassinated.
This has completely spooked the people that are very high up in government. Now, to be clear, I don't mean that
there were 12 VPNs that were switched and routed through Israel on that day. I
mean that there were 12 personal cell phone accounts that were opened in
Israel. Okay? Like you go into Verizon in Tennessee or in Connecticut and you
open your phone. I am saying that they opened their phones in Israel, those accounts in Israel and they were on the
ground on September 10th at Utah Valley University when Charlie was shot. Now
the NSA knows this. Cash Patel knows this. People in the current administration know that know this and
they are desperate for some reason to stop that information from being released to the public. Why?
Because they're the most transparent administration ever. Is that why is this like Jeffrey Epstein transparency that
we're getting? Because that's what it feels like. It always seems that on the topic of this one nation that's only the
size of New Jersey and has done nothing wrong ever and was truly the greatest friend to Charlie right up until the
very end. never put any pressure on him. Suddenly, everybody abandons their
values. True friends of Charlie Kirk, right? Mhm. Standing on that stage giving him a speech, hiding this. Now, what would be
the reason that they wanted to keep that information under wraps? And why does it have people at the very top spooked? If
there's nothing to hide, then there's nothing to hide. Okay? If there's nothing to hide, then there's nothing to
hide. Now, let's play devil's advocate. And to be clear, we are now advocating for the
devil when we do this. Maybe the cell phones belonged to some exchange
students. It's possible. Maybe 12 Israelis were touring UVU on that day
because, I don't know, Utah Valley University is a place where they maybe wanted to attend in the future. maybe 12
American students had Israeli based cell phones because they had just come back
from a summer abroad program and they wanted to keep their Israeli cell phones
running when they got back home to Utah. I don't know, but I'd like to know. In
fact, we need to know the answer to this question. Why are they hiding this
information? And why and who did those 12 Israeli cell phones belong to? Okay.
I don't like secrets. I don't like secrets, especially when they pertain to
the public execution of my friend Charlie Kirk. We'll take a break and we'll come right back. All right, you
guys.

Midterm elections push.
So, we've got planes from Egypt, cell phones from Israel, and we are
getting the runaround from the Trump administration, the runaround from his friends, the people that wanted to just
stop asking questions and move on. What does this feel like to you? What does this feel like to you? Sometimes I wish
I was born yesterday, right? It would be so easy to just accept him like, "Oh, yeah. I totally there just was a lone
shooter who, you know, had had never really been hunted, but he got really lucky and he just fired this shot and he
got he never been to the campus, but he somehow knew how to scale the buildings running around like Spider-Man. I wish I
was born yesterday so I could just accept that. I do." Unfortunately, I wasn't born yesterday. I was actually
born 36 years ago and everyone is full
of it. I am looking at a situation where Charlie was betrayed and is actively being betrayed every day by the very
people that he helped to elect people that are in office. They are betraying him by trying to feed us this nonsense.
Okay? They are feeding us they're they're selling us crap and trying to tell us it's food, right? Like this is
nourishing or something. I just won't tolerate it. Okay? And it is, I think,
one of the craziest things happening right now that these people are now
telling us to shift gears and that it's our duty, right? It's our duty to make
sure more of them get elected. Now, there are a lot of people running around right now. Uh there are races, important
races, they tell us, going on in the country, consequential races that are happening. And people online are being
somewhat accusatory, upset that Republicans are infighting, if that's what you're calling this. I'm not
fighting with you, okay? I'm going to see this thing all the way through. And that we're instead focused on using our
platforms um to fight one another rather than to encourage people to go vote so
that Republicans can stay in power across various cities. You know, as just one example, of course, people really uh
cannot stop speaking about the M Donnie versus the Kuomo mayoral race in New York. Now, Cuomo's already one of the
most corrupt families in New York. And now they're like, "No, switch gears because mom Donnie is going to be worse
and it's your job as a good little Republican, okay, to go out there and to
make sure that mom Donnie doesn't win." And to those very many people, I would like to say, "No,
I'm good. Actually, I'm just not interested. I'm interested in nothing until you start telling the truth about
what happened to Charlie Kirk. Until you acknowledge that a 30 six did not go through his neck, did not get stopped
rather by his neck. Until you acknowledge that that story that you tried to sell us is complete BS,
something that could take down a moose somehow did not take down Charlie Kirk. Are you kidding me? Are you absolutely
kidding me? I'm not interested in your races around the country. I'm not voting until this is resolved. Okay, this is
toxic. You are toxic. And it is unbelievably abusive to suggest that I
have to now reinvest and work for the exact same party that told me that if I
voted for them and got the word out for them, and I did do all of those things, that things would be different.
Corruption's going to stop. We're going to be the most transparent thing administration that you've ever seen.
Except on those Epstein files. Yeah, I know. He was like um abusing children.

But what Epstein files were we even talking about? No.
No thank you. No. Nope. Goodbye. Not doing it anymore. You're left versus
right. Don't care anymore. There is power and there is the rest of us. There
is power and there is the rest of us and you are not going to convince me that any of this stuff is consequential after
I just watched Charlie Kirk catch a bullet in his throat and am watching all of you lie about it.


Okay, there's
actually this uh vintage clip from TRL, remember Total Request Live
with Carson Daily that perfectly embodies me and how I am feeling in this
moment. So, let's watch that vintage clip together. Hi. Um, my name is Manda and I live in
Florida. Being a young black female and a also a teen mother. Um, what do you
guys do to get back give back to the community? Um, also directed mostly
towards OD. I know PR and the Fujis do things for the community, but what do you what is going to be your thing for
the community? Nothing. [Applause]
Don't get me wrong. Don't get me wrong now. Don't get me wrong. Send you love
to the Republicans. I send you love. Okay? Don't get me wrong. I send you love. But what I will be doing for the
broader community until you start telling the truth is nothing. Nothing.
So don't even don't don't at me. I just don't care at all. Not even a little bit. Anyway, uh, two of the like three
Tucker goes on Dave Smith to address backlash.
people that I still like that are within the realm of politics got together. Tucker Carlson joined Dave Smith. I kind
of want to qualify Tucker Carlson. I feel like I want to say the stupendous Tucker Carlson joined Dave Smith on his
show to respond to all of this Zionist backlash that he was receiving for having a conversation with Nick Fuentes.
And foremost, Tucker explains why he had the conversation with Nick Fuentes. Take a listen.


[Tucker Carlson] I didn't make Nick Fuentes hardly. I just want to know what this is about. And I wanted to make the point that I
often make and now seems even more important than it ever has, which is that virtue
and sin are not transmitted genetically. There is no such thing as blood guilt.
Therefore, collective punishment is always immoral. God created each person individually. He did not create
communities at once. He created this theology one is and all of us will die and in the end face God alone. So it's
about the person and people can be changed by God by the way. And the New Testament is that story of people who
were in the case of the whole hero of the New Testament. The human hero was a guy called Paul was murdering Christians
as a Pharisee and then becomes the greatest proitizer in the history of Christianity and my personal hero. are
like don't tell me that people can't be changed because of their blood. Now that
is the basis that position is the basis of western civilization. We often talk about western civilization and we're all
defending western civil Israel is defending western civilization. Israel does not have a western position on this
question. The Israeli position, not of all Israelis by the way, and certainly not of all Jews, but I'm saying of the
Israeli government and of a couple of its ministers, which they say this out loud all the time, is that everybody
who's related to a terrorist shares in his guilt. That's collective punishment. It is blood guilt. And it's anothetical
to Christianity and to the West. And so for me, and by the way, Israel is not the only country that does this. Most
countries do this. Literally, most countries do this. all of Asia, India. This is like an intuitive response that
people have. Okay. So that I actually introduced that wrong.


That's Tucker just giving the broader theological delivering the
broader theological point which is important that people have the capacity to change. And actually we're kind of in
this weird psychosis as a society. And I would say that this is kind of one of the things they're trying to deliver to
us is that some people are just deplorable. Like everything about them is just so deplorable. We have to throw
them away. And that's what creates these sort of movements. People are just tired of it. They're just tired of this. This
is not the way that Christians think. Actually, we very much don't live in a Christian society because we live in a Christian Zionist society. And Christian
Zionism is a it's a paradox. Okay? It's there's no such thing as Christian Zionism because Zion Zionism is all
about identity, right? It's all about identity. Because I am a Jew, I
therefore have a right to this land. Because they are Jews and I am a Christian. I recognize that I'm going to get into heaven if I just worship how
BBNet and Yahoo even if when he kills tens of thousands of kids. That is a political ideology. It is not a religion
and it is dangerous and is wrong and it is it is backwards and it is of course antithetical to the Bible.


Now Tucker then explains specifically why he chose to have a conversation with Nick
Fuentes. Take a listen.

[Tucker Carlson] You should be forgiving always. Things are being said right now that almost
seem like they can't be forgiven. They're so they're they're exhortations to violence. Clearly they are,
etc., etc. Slander of a kind that's so severe. Like, how do you get past that? I think we should force ourselves. I
interviewed Nick Fuentes who attacked my wife and my son and my dad. Can't take my dad. And I interviewed him anyway. I
choked it back and I thought to myself, I'm just I want to hear this and I'm just going to make we I try to make
myself do that. So if tomorrow John Putarts is like or whomever I'm mad at,
right, people I used to know who are calling me a Nazi is like, you know what, I don't I don't think he's actually a Nazi, like let's have a real
conversation. Let's do the best for America. They should all be accepted. I don't think we should have permanent
enemies who are American citizens. I don't because I think the whole idea of it is we're united by citizenship, our
common Americanness. Everybody's welcome, even if we hated each other 20 minutes ago. And Glenn Greenwald, I
mean, I hated Glenn Greenwald. Now I think he's one of my favorite people in the world, not just monthly but personally. Like forgiveness is
essential. People change. Allow for that. Don't draw permanent lines in the sand where
it's like I hate you and I will hate your son too. Like that's non-western thinking. We don't allow that.


I want you to really consider you listen to Tucker's perspectives and what's guiding his perspectives and then go
backwards and listen to like Mark Levin and these people that get on their platforms and call him irredeemable and
you realize there's a different spirit moving within these within these groups, right? And he is what Christianity is,
right? It's about forgiveness. It's about when you're angry, not assuming that there's some like blood oath that
you need to honor, but saying, "You know what? Nick Fuentes says something crappy things about me and I'm going to speak to him." I did the same thing. I was
like the bigger person, hosted him. And he was, by the way, still a jerk. Uh, but this idea that he shouldn't have a
platform. He shouldn't be allowed to speak. He shouldn't be allowed to think. He shouldn't be allowed to breathe. What is that from? What is your faith? Don't
You're definitely not going to convince me that that's the first five books of the Bible. Okay, I know what your faith is. It's Zionism, okay? You guys behave
like gangsters. You behave like you are only loyal to one another and you'll come beat up any person figuratively.
Um, you'll take care of any person that gets in your way. And the world can see that now.

So, what's your next move, to just keep doing this? To just keep behaving like this? And just know that every act that you make, every show,
everything that you make go viral with you speaking in the way that you speak and then people get to hear Tucker, he
gets bigger and you get smaller. Okay. He gets bigger. Our ideas get bigger. Your ideas get smaller because people
can perceive the nastiness that's guiding it and they want nothing to do with it.


Okay. Now, um I'm going to take
a brief break because I know that you guys have a lot of comments and we also have book club tonight and we're going to get deeper by the way into that sort
of guiding theology uh when we get back into the Sigman Freud book because it
really really connects dots for you, right? What that guiding philosophy comes from is actually a psychology. it
is a psychology and he's the father of it as they call him the father of modern psychology and so really stepping back
into time and understanding what was happening at the turn of the 19th century across Europe why so many speech
laws have been passed in Europe uh kind of Christians in the way that we're doing right now waking up and going what
is the guiding philosophy of these people that seem like they hate us like they're trying to to abuse like what
what have we done wrong to be treated like this this book is really an aha moment and I'm excited for the book
club. I'm excited and I understand why Zionist infiltrated it, but we're not going to stop. But first, let's let's get to a couple of sponsors, then I'm
going to answer some of your comments. All right, you guys, jumping in here to
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Comments.
I'm going to start pulling the top comment that makes me chuckle. There were a couple of them yesterday, but this one we regarding Cash Patel's tweet
calling his girlfriend a sensational country singer. It was so weird. This
user wrote, Cheryl writes, "After hearing Cash Patel's tweet, I'm 90% sure
he's the one that wrote Tyler's message to his furry lover." Absolutely. You are
correct. It's now a fact. It's now a fact. Just kidding, but I loved that comment. All right, comment from today's episode. Laughing cats music world
writes, "I keep thinking about George Zinn. I know he was a habitual Salt Lake City event disruptor, but what are the
chances his reflex is to take the blame voluntarily?" Voluntarily. I guess it's possible, but wow. crazy split decision
to make, right? Not even a hesitation. I I told you guys that we had a source leak to us. He went to the hospital. He
went to Utah Valley Hospital uh after this event to treat some of his like mild injuries from being dragged and he
told people that he was told to do it and he was paid to do it and but he didn't know where the payment was coming
from. So, yeah, this was this entire thing was just an operation. Like I said, uh Brandon Hansen writes, "Been a
lifelong Israel supporter. Recently, I've come to not like BB, but I still love the land where the Lord was born, a
Zionist who dislikes Netanyahu. Curious how you feel about that love from Maine. It at least makes me happy to hear you
acknowledge that there's a demon. I don't It's It's the strangest thing to me when these people are treating BBNet
and Yahoo like he is their Christ. And that is what makes it a disgusting heresy, right? like to misinterpret the
Bible so much that you're basically platforming and honoring what BB Netanyahu does, avoiding the topic, not
acknowledging that what he's doing to the Palestinians is wrong. Um, having love for Jerusalem, that makes sense.
Having love uh for to to be able to walk in Jerusalem and to see the relics, that
all makes sense to me. And I think I'm just more disgusted by people who turn a blind eye to everything that's happened to the Palestinians. It just makes me
sick. and to see him on camera acting like such a gangster and that and people pretending that he's holy or that
there's ever even a a shred of documented proof that these people are the original people from the Holy Land
is crazy. There's way more uh proof to the contrary which they stopped printing even their own textbooks which they've
stopped printing that point to the fact that they came from Turkey the Turk Ashkenaz tribe uh that came down began
speaking Yiddish and then needed a place to go after World War II. It's crazy to me. The whole thing's crazy. Again, I
would debate anybody on that topic. Um, definitely feeling especially fired up about it. A Smoky Mountain Kitty writes,
"Always trust your gut. Our brain takes in far more information than we are aware of. I love your show and all that
you do." Thank you so much. Uh, Beck Build writes, "So glad Charlie had you." On another topic, dinosaurs. Hundreds of
Bible believing PhD scientists have evidence that dinosaurs are real. Killed during the global flood of Genesis. The
Institute for Creation Research. answers in Genesis and creation. Okay guys, I'm
sorry. Nope. Sorry. And this is going to get I bet you the people that are going through my book club by the end of this you're going to see that there was a
conscious movement as I said at the end at the turn of the century same time they started going oh we found dinosaur
uh bone to and then you get into like the research of you come from an
oralopythecus and they describe this as like oh suddenly science was peing and
actually what was happening is they wanted to make people invest in scientism that's a CS Lewis perspective.
He writes about that in one of his books where they wanted to turn science into God and as long as they say there's an
expert, there's research experts say that people would fall into line and that's what we see happening. So, I
can't do a deep dive on the dinosaur thing right now, but the book club, we're going to go there eventually. And
I just can I don't know. I just I see a bigger picture, a broader picture now. removing the Bibles from classrooms,
teaching people that they're homo sapiens and they started walking straight, but also the monkeys are still
here. It was very methodical and yeah, broader conversation to have. I can't
wait for that clip to go viral. By the way, like I care like I also don't believe the moon landings happened, so you can cut that clip because they
didn't happen. That's crazy. More scientism. Anyways, Smokey, I'm sorry. Christine writes, "Loyalty is rare.
Christ is king. Indeed, he is." Beth Mitchum writes, "So we give Israel
billions. People who support Israel give Apac money to give our government uh to
give to our government to vote the way Israel wants. So my tax money pays for Israeli ideas. We pay Congress twice.
Can you say moneyaundering?" Uh yeah, that's what it feels like for sure. We give our tax dollars, they go overseas,
and then they yell at us for paying attention to what they're doing overseas and then call us anti-Semitic. This is
like the worst deal ever. I' I'd like that deal to be undone, and it certainly isn't going to be undone in this
administration. That's for sure. Jennifer K writes just asked Grock if Israel and Egypt coordinate on
intelligence ops. It says yes, calling their cooperation unprecedented. Uh since the 1979 peace treaty, intel
chiefs have met often, share real-time data. Honestly, few countries make more sense working together. Yeah. Uh country
A that gets most of our money is Israel, B is Egypt, and there is a reason for that. It's so it doesn't look like it's
all going to Israel. That's my perspective. Darth Phantom writes, "Citizens have and I would say since the
1967 war, do you think that they would let Israel control the SNI peninsula?" Anyways, more on that later. Darth
Phantom writes, "itizens have always paid taxes to finally be able to retire and the thanks that we get uh for this
is they raise the age on us to retire and we all obey like idiots. Am I the only one angered about this?" Yeah, it's
all coming apart. We're realizing it's all one big scam. It's all usery. uh and it is a sin and everything that's
happening into our in our country, our culture, the corrosion. I think it's because America has married to Zionism.
Like I I truly do believe that and I think a lot of people are waking up to that. We were a better country when we
were a Christian nation. We are no longer a Christian nation. We are an occupied nation with an ideology that
has produced filth in our culture. Uh Miranda writes, "Hi Candace, I'm 23 and I should be clear, a political ideology
dressed up as a religion and a faith." Miranda writes, "Can I'm 23 and newly married. We just found out that I'm
pregnant. Congratulations. I'm nervous, but I know children are God's blessing. Do you have any advice for me as a young mother? Is it okay to be nervous?" My
advice would be not to take advice. It is going to be the most natural job that you have. You are going to just know what to do when you see the baby. Um,
and it will make you a better person because you will be so tapped into God's creation. You will realize that there is
something more. It is one of the sins in the culture that kind of trained us to
have children later is that we don't tap into our divine purpose and children
immediately have you tap into your divine purpose. You feel more wholesome uh more confident. I became a more
confident person when I had children because I suddenly realized what matters and what doesn't matter. And that's why
I fight like hell for truth because it matters, right? my investment is that I have children and my silence is
essentially cowardice. That would gar guarantee that their future would be compromised, could be more compromised
than our lives are right now right now. Uh lastly, real light worker writes, "Have you looked into events going on at
UVU that day? A college student posted an FB real of her experience? She ran into a building where the room was
filled with uniformed people and a bunch of different flags. Who were they? That's the Hall of Flags that's behind
Charlie's head. And I do find something suspicious was going on there. I've never gotten clarity, but that's where
notoriously the person who filmed the footage, the only footage um that we have of of the uh person running across
who they say is the shooter running across uh the Lozi Center. So yeah, look, we are investigating every day
with more information. Tomorrow we will have uh more explosive information and revelations about the Egyptian plane,
which so interesting. Speaking of the unique relationship between Egypt and Israel, Tik Tok is hitting us for videos
talking about the Egyptian planes. That's very strange. Israel's moderator
served in the IDF, we know, and they BB wants Tik Tok secured for Israel's
future. Why do they care about Egyptian planes that were there? It's kind of coming together. There's a picture here
that's coming together. Anyways, you guys, we have to jump off because we do have book club tonight. So, I will see you guys in the Zionist infiltration on
our book club. We finally did it, guys. We went viral and they're stealing clips from behind the payw wall. Uh, if you
guys would like to support our work, you know, you can go to kandiswowens.com. You can go to make him a sandwichand.com
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Transcript

Election News
Zhoran Mamdani has won the New York City
mayor's race. Um, reporting here from
our election headquarters and it's a
political earthquake. Uh, as of evening
here on election night, MSNBC AP have
called it with Mamdani up about eight
points. That's really a political
earthquake when you compare where he was
a year ago. Mamdani would have told
anyone uh he would be excited to be in
in any race at all. Uh, and here he is
now as new star and face of basically
the Democratic party. So, I'm doing a
little update. Ari Melber from MSNBC. I
actually interviewed him just before the
election and I'm going to play that at
the end of this. You can see some of
what he had to say because we talked
about everything from his affordability
agenda uh to what the Democratic party
needs to do. Um he's talked about that
in many forums um and even some other
fun stuff. 50 Cent Lightning round. But
when you look at the race as of Tuesday
night, Zohran Mamdani is up in every part of
New York except Staten Island. So
whether you're a New Yorker or just know
about it from visiting or the movies,
Harlem, Brooklyn, the Bronx, Manhattan,
uh he's up everywhere, uh winning by a
lot. Another headline that's really
striking is while there was buzz about
Donnie, we're now seeing the largest
turnout in New York um since the
late60s. Uh that reflects both some
level of enthusiasm and turnout for him.
It may also interestingly reflect some
of his controversy. uh because you had
an unusual race where the defeated
Democrat from the primary Cuomo was
still running in the general and uh in
New York like a lot of places that are
heavy one party the primary is usually
where the action is. So most of those
other years you had also low turnout in
a general election because it was
settled in the primary. Here you had
kind of the two-fer. He's now beat Cuomo
twice. And again, uh Andrew Cuomo is a
pretty famous person uh in New York
politics and Democratic politics to
beat. Uh the thing about Manny that has
come through is that he was running on
something. A lot of people have talked
about this and he does all the time, but
instead of only running against Trump,
while he's clearly against Trump, and
the president spoke out against him in
the weekend prior to the election and
nodded towards his opponent Cuomo, he
has been about affordability, uh, about
higher taxes and being honest about
that's his plan, but he has it only for
basically millionaires, high earners in
New York and other programs from free
busing to freezing rent, which is
something that in New York City can
generally be done. It's not like he's
making that up out of whole cloth. Um
but trying to push harder on on that
kind of plan. And so he connected on
that also connected on being 34. One
point I made when we were doing our
interview uh in explaining his rise is
that when Trump first won and 16, Mamdani
was 25 years old. Um, here he went
from being a 25-year-old looking from
the outside of politics in the Trump era
and coming of age politically completely
in the Trump era, uh, to now being
someone who nationally is is going
toe-to-toe with Trump. Not of course for
the same position, but the president is
responding to him, doesn't like him,
etc. Uh and so what we see here on
election night that looks pretty good
for Democrats because they're flipping
uh the governor's race in Virginia.
They're winning in New Jersey. Um
they're doing well in California with an
effort to directly Trump proof midterm
meddling. That's how uh the Democrats
there have put it. And compare that to a
year ago. Uh not everything that happens
in New York is is going to be
transferable to the rest of the country.
But a year ago, we checked, 45% of
voters said they were worse off
financially. Uh, which was a worse frame
of mind, a worse sense of financial
slipping than after the the crash in the
2008 elections. So, that's where we were
a year ago in November. And since then,
people like Mom Donnie and some of these
other Democrats running in these states
have been making an affirmative argument
and trying to talk about affordability.
But they're also in a in a climate where
Donald Trump is at some of his lowest
approval numbers. He's on par with where
he was after Jan 6 when he had
Republican defections.
And if you really just make sense of it,
he ran on these same issues uh that some
of the Democrats are running on now. He
ran on of course inflation and lower
prices and saying that uh the Biden
economy was a failure. So the person who
ran on lower prices ended up delivering
revenge indictments. He ran on saying
we're going to make the economy work and
is delivering
Doge cuts.
a shutdown that's affecting a lot of
people. Uh and again to call it
straight, both parties are fighting over
the shutdown. The Democrats uh played a
role in saying they're going to protect
healthcare or not um work with the
Republicans to just do what they wanted
and the Republicans who control Congress
and the White House wouldn't negotiate.
And that's where we are. Um but it
doesn't seem like to the extent you can
tell, it doesn't seem like the shutdown
uh has helped Republicans in Virginia
where 300,000 or so federal workers are
affected. Um, it's certainly not uh like
Donald Trump's approach to federal power
has endeared him in New York, although
that's already a blue place. And in New
Jersey, where where Trump had, and
remember, improved his position over
those past four years, uh, they're also
losing control of the governor's
mansion. So, M Donnie is one big piece
of that. He's certainly the biggest
change. I think anyone honestly would
have to agree with that. He went from an
actual unknown um to besting huge
figures in his party and being now one
of the youngest mayors in New York's
history. and and around the country and
being this face whether people like it
or not. Um but it feeds into a larger
story. So that's my breakdown. Uh again,
this is Ari Melber. You can subscribe
to my YouTube channel here. Next, I'm
going to show you a very new interview,
an election week interview with Mom
Donnie. This is some parts where we
start by talking about this whole tax
debate uh with none other than longtime
New York resident 50 Cent, who has since
moved out, but had words for him. And
their exchange is actually interesting.
It's it's about policy, but also about
culture and lyrics. Uh, and then we do
rapid fire where we talk about uh his
approach to affordability and his bodega
order, cannabis shops. So, you're going
to see all of that next along with uh
some of what we got into. And as always,
thanks for watching. You have spoken
Mamdani Interview
about these financial plans you have.
And you made a point on New York radio,
which a lot of people listen to, to uh
to address 50 Cent. And you know, he's a
you know, he's a critic.
He's a critic of high tax.
Let me let me
go ahead and then we'll play it. Go
ahead.
I didn't even know what my salary would
be until I opened up Instagram and I saw
this thing which was like050 Cent offers
mom Donnie X amount of money. I was like
that's a very specific amount of money.
I was like oh my god that's
Yeah. He Well, he So now we'll go we'll
do this in reverse order. He said I'll
give you $258,000
and a first class one-way ticket out of
New York. That's what you're
referencing. So you know that here's
what you did say though in a serious
kind of policy radio interview. Let's
take a look.
And I know if 50 Cent is listening, he's
not going to be happy about this. He
tends to not like this tax policy. But I
want to be very clear. This is about
$20,000 a year. It's a rounding error.
And all of these things together, they
make every New Yorker's life better,
including those who are actually getting
taxed.
What do you say to him now where, And by
the way, he has moved out of the city.
Um, but he's a classic New Yorker. I'm
sure you like some of his songs.
Oh, man. Um, it's actually tough for me
in that way because
Yeah. So, where does this debate go?
because his argument and I it's fun but
it's also what we hear from certain
people. His argument is
there are a lot of people in New York
who make a lot of money because they
contribute a lot and you're going after
them. Um what do you say to him tonight?
You know what I would say to you 50 if
you are indeed watching or anyone else
who's watching this show is I continue
to think that having the top 1% of New
York City who are making more than a
million dollars a year having them pay
2% more for an economic agenda that
would transform every New Yorker's life
including their own is something that is
worthwhile. And the reason I say
including their own is when you see a
city like ours that is underfunding its
city agencies that is pulling back on
the most basic things like library
services and trash cans. Everybody feels
the knock-on effects of that. And my job
as someone who believes deeply in the
public sector is to ensure that we're
delivering public excellence. And that
means every dollar that we raise, I want
to be able to prove to you that it's
every dollar that's being well spent.
That's the relationship there. And I do
have to say even though we have a
disagreement on tax policy, every time I
get a death threat, I still listen to
many men.
It's true.
Well, you you take many men for
motivation. I was going to say your
answer sounds a little bit like
clickity clank clickity clank. The
money goes into my piggy bank.
Wow.
And if and if we had more time, we'd do
more 50. Can we do some fun stuff before
I let you get back on the campaign show?
I've never asked any candidate this, but
James James Carville was here.
Okay.
And he's been a little bit more of I
think he would call himself a centrist.
Okay. He said Zorandami is more on
message than any candidate he's ever
worked with. And he said hands, you
know, hands down that's a positive
trait.
So here's the test.
Oh god.
How quickly can you go from this topic
back to affordability?
Okay.
Halloween.
Here's the thing. You're seeing candy
prices shoot up across New York City.
It's part of the fact that we're the
most expensive city in the United States
of America.
We got to take a look at that. The movie
Godfather.
You know, there are too many people who
think that the only way they could
afford to live in New York City is if
their father already lived here. And the
fact of the matter is, you should be
able to afford your own apartment and
not just have to pray to God to get
there.
Incredible. You got there. Nice work.
Not bad.
Uh, lightning round is in a word or a
sentence. But it's your mic. If you go
longer, you go longer. You're a
candidate. In a word or a sentence,
I am a Democratic socialist because
I believe in the dignity of all people.
I am the Democratic nominee for New York
because
I beat Andrew Cuomo by 13 points.
A reason conservatives are welcome in
your Democratic party is
they also have to pay rent.
H something Democrats are right about.
That we have to take on authoritarian
administration in Washington DC.
Something Democrats have gotten wrong.
We need to bring back working people as
the focus of our party.
All right. New York shouldn't be hard
for you. My bodega order is
egg and cheese on a roll with jalapenos.
Bagels or bealies?
Bagels.
Sure.
Come on. Why would you I mean
uh my favorite subway line is
for nostalgia the nine train.
Okay. And right now
the end train.
Okay.
Hash never our train # rarely.
You can you can call yourself a real New
Yorker when
You know what a bodega is?
Uh, your favorite cannabis shop.
I would have to freak with them more
often to have a favorite.
Okay, there we go. Um, and a couple big
picture ones.
Okay.
Uh, the biggest challenge facing America
is
a belief that politics could be more
than this.
And facing New York,
that we could actually have a city that
New Yorkers could afford. The biggest
challenge facing the Republican party
that their agenda is one that is deeply
unpopular with Americans
and the Democratic party
that we are missing an affirmative
message in a moment when New Yorkers are
crying out for it.
Final two. If I lose, it's because
I didn't come on this show earlier.
If I win, it's because
I came here with a few days left before
election day.
Zohran Mamdani, you are very busy right
now. Thank you for coming through. Thank
you brother. Appreciate it.
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Trump DHS SMACKED with MASSIVE LAWSUIT
by State Sen. Tiara Mack and attorney Rachel Cohen
Legal AF
Nov 4, 2025

Pragmatic Optimists State Sen. Tiara Mack and attorney Rachel Cohen discuss Moreno Gonzalez et al v. Noem, a class action lawsuit filed alleging horrific conditions in the Broadview ICE 'processing' facility, currently illegally used as a detention facility.



Transcript

Hey praggies, welcome back to another
episode where we're going to be talking
about a class action lawsuit filed in
the Northern District of Illinois
focused on the abhorrent conditions of
people that are being held inside ICE
black sites specifically at the
Broadview Processing Facility in
Broadview, Illinois, a a suburb of
Chicago. I'm Rachel Cohen. I'm an
attorney. I am Chicago based. I'm joined
by Rhode Island State Senator Tiara
Mack. And as many of y'all know who have
been following along with us, I have
this strong Chicago focus because it is
my home base. I've been lucky to be
involved in a lot of the organizing
outside of Broadview and have just as an
aside, I get lots and lots of comments
saying, you know, I feel really
disconnected from my community. I don't
know how to plug in and show up and
where to start doing this. And I've met
so many incredible people through
organizing and showing up to not just
broad view but also demonstrations
outside of various facilities where ISIS
is setting up operations. And if you are
looking for a push to show up
particularly to a smaller protest, one
where organizers are on the ground
speaking to each other where you might
even be interrupting the actual
operations of a facility in a way that
buys time for your neighbors. This is
your push. Get out there. And many of
y'all know this, but Tiara in my origin
story is meeting through organizing for
Planned Parenthood when we were both
living in Rhode Island now almost 10
years ago. And so all of that to say,
there's been a lot of focus on
organizing and protest correctly because
protesters are being brutalized. They
are being prosecuted for daring to show
up outside of the Broadview facility in
the city of Chicago. But it's very very
important that we focus on the
conditions of people inside these ICE
black sites. And I call them black sites
because people are getting disappeared.
There was a CBS Chicago article about
how supposedly 3,000 arrests have been
made in the city of Chicago since Donald
Trump started Operation Midway Blitz,
which is the ramp up of ICE
disappearances in the city of Chicago.
And the government cannot or will not
account for those people. People, their
attorneys don't know where they are.
their loved ones don't know where they
are. And that is at issue partially in
the class action lawsuit because lawyers
are not being allowed to contact their
clients in this facility. They're not
being told whether or not their clients
are in the facility. Sometimes they're
being lied to about whether or not their
clients are in the facility. Clients are
getting documentation pushed upon them
that is not translated or they've been
given false translations and then signed
voluntary deportation paperwork. the the
legal
kind of protections and process
protections are just non-existent.
But before I turn it over to Tiara for
follow-ups as as so that she can help me
shape this conversation for people that
are not so steeped in what's happening
in the city of Chicago,
the most important thing are the
physical conditions that people are
being kept in. There are pregnant people
that are being denied medication. There
are diabetics that have been denied
medication. There was one I read that
this complaint is 76 pages long and it
actually made me feel physically ill
while I was reading it and I have been
following along and am aware that there
are pregnant people that have been
detained that haven't been given their
meds. There was this is not in the
complaint, but I know someone who
witnessed a teenager who had been told
to bring his father's medication to the
facility, try to come up to the
facility, give them the medication, and
then have tear gas or uh pepper pellets
used on him by ICE officials when he was
doing what he had been asked. His father
was not able to get his medication. And
so I knew those things, but there's this
one particular story that I I haven't
been able to stop thinking about, nor
should we because it should be at the
top of all of our minds at all times
where these people are being held in
extremely overcrowded cells. There's
nowhere for people to lie down because
it's not a detention facility. It's a
processing facility. So there's no beds,
there's not benches, there's not
blankets. And
just as an aside, I remember reading
like fictionalized accounts. my parents,
it was very important to them that I
read fictionalized accounts about what
had happened during the Holocaust
because I don't practice, but I am of
Jewish descent. And I that is one of the
things that stuck with me so deeply were
stories about well there was no room to
lie down. People had to stay standing
overnight and they would have to lie
down in shifts in the the conditions
that they were being detained in. And
that's happening in the United States in
these black site facilities. There's no
room to lie down. People are being held.
There's eight women that were held for
multiple days in a confinement room
that's meant for one person. All again,
all of these are civil offenses that
people are supposedly being detained
for. They have no chance to defend
themselves, so we don't even know. But
there is a man who's in a very
overcrowded cell. He's in his 70s and he
has trouble going to the bathroom by
himself because he's so elderly. And
over the course of multiple days, other
people who are detained with him. Again,
you're not supposed to be at this
facility for overnight. Multiple people
who are detained with him are helping
him use the bathroom. And then everyone
is too sick or ill because they're not
being given food and water uh in
sufficient amounts at all. People are
getting maybe three bottles of water a
day. Um and ICE agents are sometimes
using it as a reward for good behavior,
which is a violation of the Geneva
Convention. Um, and so this man is using
the bathroom and everybody else who's in
the cell starts to feel sick or tired or
they just like can't help him anymore.
And so they stop and he soils himself
and the ICE agents refused to provide
him with a change of clothes or move him
out of the cell and just kept him there
in soiled clothing um for an
indeterminate amount of time. So,
that's the that that's that's not even
like I I could fill our whole episode
telling you about the things that are in
this complaint. It's available um in a
Block Club article that will be linked
in our assets. That's a local news
source that's really important. Um,
if you if you read it in its entirety,
um,
it it makes you
it makes you feel like nothing should be
happening in this country at all. Like,
yeah.
Oh my god. So this morning, Rachel,
because I have absolutely
no way of escaping
news or stories or media about how we
come to normalize this level of this
level of just disregard for human life.
I read the story, the ones who the ones
who walk away from omalas by Ursula K.
Lagoon and it's a fivepage short story
and it is exactly this. There are these
what you were selling to us happens in
the real world but it also happens in so
many instances of science fiction and
speculative fiction. And it is so easy
for people to see who the bad and who
the unjust people are in so many of
these stories. And when I look at
stories like we talked last week in one
of our episodes about Cat Abu who is
running for Congress who was involved in
one of the stopping of the ICE vehicles.
We have seen stories coming out of
Chicago for months now about people who
were at Broadview every single week
protesting some of these conditions and
the rest of America seems to downplay
the severity of what is happening on US
soil. What continues to happen on US
soil with our tax dollars. We are
creating a system that we condemn in
other countries and that we have said
that these other countries are treating
people in ways that we as Americans have
to now use our tax dollars to intervene
in. We are when we talked a couple of
weeks ago about the I think it's now up
to 10 or more strikes on Venezuelan
ships in the Caribbean, the the lack of
due process there. whatever we do in
other countries, we'll come home to root
here. And I was listening to one of our
favorite shared podcasts, um, strict
scrutiny, and they were talking about
reproductive rights and how black women
and indigenous people and, um,
communities of color and minorities are
often the testing ground for some of
these ideas. So when we had targeted
restrictions on abortion providers or
trap laws, we saw that start with black
and brown communities and then now we
see trip laws which are targeted uh
restrictions on um IVF coverage for
families. And what they try in some
communities will always come to other
communities. And white women joined the
the fight for reprodive justice when
they thought that IVF was going to come
was going to be taken away from them.
their right to body autonomy and their
right to build their families in ways
that they want to. A reproductive
justice issue. When the right flank of
the Republican party was going to
restrict IVF coverage, white women said,
"No, we want to be able to treat our
families in ways that we want to,
including access to assisted
reproduction." Those are the same
arguments that black and brown people
have been saying about access to
abortion coverage and access to
contraception and access to
comprehensive inclusive education about
their bodies. And so it is I don't know
how to tell people that what we allow to
happen in Chicago the the horrific
treatment of human beings who are just
here to seek a better life that is what
is possible and what has been happening
whether it's the prison industrial
system where many black and brown bodies
and young people have been disappeared
for since like the end of slavery and
before that is the legacy of this
country and so when people think that we
will have any safety in our communities
while this injustice is carried out. We
will not be able to address a better
world for everyone unless we all
continue to condemn what is happening in
Chicago. And mainstream media will try
to obiscate what is happening by saying
that these are radical left individuals
who are running for office or these are
uh protesters who are seeking to thwart
American safety. But at the end of the
day, my safety is not dependent on
another person's
lack of human rights. My safety should
not be dependent on you dehumanizing
another person in order to make me feel
safe. And that is the lie that so many
people need to understand that whatever
this government is telling us they are
doing for your safety and with your tax
dollars while they starve people because
there's a government shutdown that is
withholding SNAP benefits from
individuals will eventually be the law
of this land. They don't care about the
42 million Americans that are going
hungry. They don't care about the
millions of Americans whose insurance
premiums are going up. But they are
using immigrants and detainment as a
justification for your family hungry and
your family not being able to access
healthcare. And that was a really large
tangent. I have a lot of feelings
because like you, I hear these stories
and I just think how is the world
continuing to go? How are we not in the
streets every day? How do we live in a
world where people hear these stories
and say, "Well, I guess I got to go back
to writing those emails and I guess I
have to um I guess I have to go and live
my day knowing that there are people
suffering using my tax dollars um and
that this government is trying to make
that seem normal." I think that, you
know, it it is really I feel the same
way, but I do after this call, I have to
get off and the the reason that we're
not going to go in and film a third
episode on this is because I have to go
respond to some emails in three minutes.
Like I we have a hard stop today. And I
think that
sometimes we feel so how how does
anything go on that it stops us from
like fully engaging in the ways that we
can, right? So, okay,
at Broad View, for example, we'd like to
have a 247 presence. And for a long
time, there was a small group of people
who were staffing a supply tent that the
city and state then tore down over the
course of this week. So, there was a 247
small presence there, but we've been
focused on, okay, two days a week,
Fridays and Saturdays, there's like
these really large standing protests
that mobilize people. And this is an
inconveniently located facility. So,
it's impressive that consistently
there's, you know, 100 200 people there
at these demonstrations.
Um,
and
that's not enough. But if we start
requiring that we only act together when
we feel like we're doing enough, then
we're not going to we're not going to do
anything and we're not going to be able
to do the capacity testing and the
community building that is required for
there to be really long major sustained
actions. And so I think that's
ultimately what leaves me optimistic is
that we had Cat indicted last week and
people really showed up over this
weekend and I think that that was
important because the government wants
to make us feel helpless and it wants to
scare us all out of showing up and you
got to keep doing it or you got to start
if you haven't been there already and
it's going to bring really wonderful
people into your life and sometimes it's
going to feel a little bit depressing.
or very depressing because it demands
that you pay attention to what's
happening. But I promise that
20, 30, 50 years from now when you're
sitting thinking about this time, you're
not going to feel better thinking about
it if what you have to offer yourself
is, well, I just wasn't paying attention
and like I could have done something and
I didn't. And so the we'll we'll keep
you posted on the outcomes of this class
action. Unfortunately, no matter what
kind of rulings we get, it's challenging
to say that the Trump administration
will be following them based off off
outcomes to date. But I for one am at
least pragmatically optimistic that
people now there there's no real
plausible deniability anymore to say,
well, I don't know the conditions inside
of this facility. We're all talking
about them. They're well documented in
the legal field. And there's also I if
you're an Instagram person and you want
to share like a shorter rundown of this
class action, legal af and myself and
Midas like co-posted something that has
like 600,000 views. And that's such a
small thing to be able to say at least
we are removing the ability from people
to say that we didn't know what was
happening. But that's not nothing. So,
keep following along with us here on
Legal AF, on the Midas Touch Network,
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we're on Instagram. Um, and we'll see
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