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MAGA Ballroom 2028: AI Unveils the Elite's Sinister Power Dance!
Salty Dawg Entertainment
Aug 8, 2025 BILOXI

Dive into the scathing satire of *MAGA Ballroom 2028*! This AI-crafted video rips the veil off the corrupt elite, exposing their grotesque waltz for power with unyielding clarity and precision. As you watch, you will witness a chilling portrayal of political decay that hits like a sledgehammer, leaving no room for denial or complacency. Each scene is designed to provoke thought and ignite conversation about the state of our political landscape. With sharp humor and biting commentary, this video calls out the absurdities and contradictions of those in power. Prepare yourself for a journey that is both entertaining and eye-opening.



Transcript

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[Applause]
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person.
Everyone loves us.
They made us great.
We didn't deport them. We erased them.
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We made America great.
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And that was the end of the first phase
of democracy as laid out by the founding
fathers and the beginning of the
healing.

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White House Makeover - SNL
Saturday Night Live
Nov 1, 2025 #SNL51 #BrandiCarlile #SNL

The Property Brothers (Miles Teller) help Donald and Melania Trump (James Austin Johnson, Chloe Fineman) renovate the White House.



Transcript

-This week on a very special
episode of "Property Brothers"...
-I'm Drew Scott and I'm a real-estate expert.
-I'm his twin brother, Jonathan, and I'm a contractor.
That means I find the perfect property.
-And I actually have to renovate the darn thing.
-This week we're taking on our biggest challenge yet.
-Building the new White House ballroom.
-Hi. You're Property Brothers. -Nice to meet you.
-So which one of you is married to New Girl
and which one of you is the gay? -I'm married to New Girl.
Donald and Melania moved into this house nine years ago.
They were evicted for four years,
but they moved back in.
-Donald has a strong eye for interior design.
-I put these gold urns everywhere,
like a hundred in every room, and that makes me happy.
It's very important to be happy these days.
Really dark stuff happening in the world.
Some of it me.
And here's a crown I just got from my trip to Asia.
Nothing says democracy like a crown, right?
-And his wife, Melania -- Well, she's got a style all her own.
I love these Halloween decorations you put up.
-Those are for Christmas. -Oh.
-The Trumps have already made
a few subtle changes to the house.
-Donald got rid of the portrait of FDR,
and he put a painting of himself as a soldier from "Halo."
-Learned his name is Master Chief.
You know, it's awful.
You can't even say Master Chief anymore, right?
You got to say primary chief.
-They also paved the Rose Garden
and turned it into what looks like outdoor seating
at an Olive Garden.
-But Donald and Melania still feel like something's missing.
-The house is only 55,000 square feet and 132 rooms.
-We need more space, right, honey? We need more space.
-And we need a ballroom because, Donald -- he loves to dance.
-I'm a terrific dancer, a terrific dancer.
Just ask your eyes. Right?
-We asked Donald what his budget was,
and he said between $350 million and infinity.
-And then we asked if he needed a permit,
and Donald laughed really hard.
-He said, "I could build this ballroom with the bones
of my enemies and no one could stop me."
-As opposed to a bonehead like my brother.
-Oh, you hush up.
-We showed Donald our plan for a ballroom
that would match the current proportions,
but he kept clicking enlarge.
I think it's now over the fence into the street.
-They can drive around it.
Oh, and I want a ring for MMA fights.
Official ones, but also casual fights in the backyard.
You know what I'm talking about?
Two mentally ill guys just wailing on each other.
We can do bum fights again.
Remember bum fights? We love bum fights.
-To nail down the style of the ballroom,
we asked Donald to come up with an inspo board.
-This kind of vibe and this guy's.
I don't know if you met him, but he's a great guy.
And then something like this could also be nice.
-I told Donald that our number-one
priority was to preserve the historic nature of the building,
and he sent me back this gif.
-So we demolished the entire East Wing in two days.
-With the government still shut down
and so many workers furloughed,
we were able to force park rangers and astronauts
to do a lot of the demolition.
-Are you sad to lose the historic presidential movie theater?
You know, Bill Clinton called it the best perk
of being president.
-Bill Clinton said that?
He said that the best perk for him was the movie theater?
-Unfortunately, the renovation hit a bit of a snag
when Donald realized he had deported all
the construction workers.
-I pulled into the Home Depot parking lot
and yelled, "Just give me the whites!"
You know, I want the day laborers from Norway and Sweden,
but apparently they don't exist. -But in the end,
we're confident the new ballroom will be a shining beacon
of freedom for all Americans.
-And it'll be ready just in time for my third term.
-That's right. We want this to be our forever home.
-Yes, because we're not leaving.
We're gonna be doing something called coup.
-And we'll make sure that Trump's dream becomes a reality.
If my dumb brother doesn't screw it up.
-Seriously, [bleep] you.
-Thank you so much.
-Okay, I guess the only thing left
is the payment for the construction.
-Aren't you guys from Canada? -Yeah.
-ICE! [ Doors slam open ]
There goes ICE. We like a bigot ICE.
-Spooky. -Very spooky.
It's a very spooky secret-police thing.
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BREAKING: Judge drops NIGHTMARE ruling for Trump
Brian Tyler Cohen
Nov 9, 2025

Legal Breakdown episode 619: Trump loses troop deployment case on the merits



Transcript

You're watching the legal breakdown,
Glenn. We have some major news here. We
have been watching all of these troop
deployment cases play themselves out in
California, in Oregon, in Chicago,
Illinois, and so far all of the rulings
have been either a temporary restraining
orders or preliminary injunction. So, we
hadn't yet had a case where a judge had
ruled on the merits of Donald Trump's
troop deployments. We finally have a
ruling on the merits, this one out of
Portland. Can you explain what just
happened in court?
Yeah, Brian. Trump appointed judge Karen
Immergut held a trial, a three-day trial
with witnesses, law enforcement
witnesses who testified, federal law
enforcement, state law enforcement,
local law enforcement, hundreds of
documents uh received into evidence. And
she just ruled that Donald Trump
violated federal law. For anybody
scoring at home, 10 USC section 12406.
He violated the 10th amendment to the
Constitution by trying to deploy streets
to Portland, Oregon. And she permanently
enjoined him, prohibited him from
deploying National Guard troops to the
streets of Portland or frankly anywhere
in the state of Oregon. This is now set
in stone. It's a permanent injunction,
meaning it will last for the entire life
of the case unless and until a higher
court decides to reverse it. Yeah. So
now, Brian, this is a permanent
injunction, a permanent prohibition, you
know, preventing Donald Trump from
deploying uh National Guard troops not
only to the streets of Portland, but
anywhere in the state of Oregon. So now
this will remain in place of course
unless and until a higher court of
appeals including the Supreme Court
decides they don't like that ruling and
decides to try to reverse it.
Glenn, does this mark something of of a
paradigm shift in that we've seen so
many judges offer up deference to this
administration, offer up the presumption
of regularity? Was there anything that
Judge Ergot said that that could lend
itself to this idea that finally judges
are waking up, wising up to the fact
that this administration is not acting
in good faith and in fact will weaponize
the law to help themselves?
Yeah, it's a great question because she
not only ruled that he violated federal
law and that he violated the 10th
amendment to the constitution which
separates the states rights from the
federal government's rights. And she
said, "He so clearly and unlawfully,
unconstitutionally stepped over that
line and interfered in the state's right
to run its own National Guard troops."
She not only ruled that it was unlawful
and unconstitutional, but she really
condemned it and she highlighted the
danger of this kind of conduct by a
president of the United States. Let me
read one short paragraph because I have
to tell you it kind of sings. You know,
Judge Imrat is completely unflinching in
the face of Trump's lawlessness. She
says this court acknowledges that some
citizens may support these deployments
as a helpful military supplement to
effectuate the president's immigration
agenda. But the founders embodied their
profound fear and distrust of military
power in the Constitution and its
amendments, which has lived on through
the decades as a traditional and strong
resistance of Americans to any military
intrusion into civilian affairs. In the
Supreme Court's words, even slight
encroachments create new boundaries from
which legions of power can seek new
territory to capture. That is pretty
strong language when she is suggesting
that you know if we ignore the
separation of powers between the federal
government and the states rights you
know there may be new territory that is
captured by inference by Donald Trump
and his lawlessness. She says this
principle has been foundational to the
safeguarding of our fundamental
liberties under the constitution. So,
you know, it just shows that the federal
judges, Brian, including Trump appointed
judges, are unflinching in the face of
Trump's lawlessness and
unconstitutionality.
All right. So, Glenn, we had talked
about the fact that, you know, initially
we had only seen temporary restraining
orders or preliminary injunctions, and
all of the appeals even in the seventh
circuit, even in the Ninth Circuit were
all appeals on those preliminary
injunctions and temporary restraining
orders. And we hadn't yet had a case on
the merits. So, the fact that we have
the first ruling on the merits and it's
against the Trump administration, what
kind of an impact does this have on two
things, the ongoing cases also in LA and
in Chicago, but also the inevitable
appeal up to the Supreme Court?
You know, I don't want to overstate the
sort of atmospheric precedent that this
might set for other jurisdictions where
Trump tries to pull the same
unconstitutional
And the reason I say I I don't
want to be too, you know, broad in
applying this elsewhere is because Judge
Immigr,
you know, she was dealing with was there
was like one block where there was an
ICE facility and back in June there were
some incidents of violence, but really
since then there have it's been
relatively violence-free. She even said,
you know, some of the information
suggests that, yeah, there are still
some dustups around that building in
that oneb block area, but she said, you
know, the dustups are between often
protesters and counterprotesters, and
they're easily handled by kind of
regular civilian law enforcement forces.
So, you know, it's an important
pronouncement and I love some of the
language she used about the danger of
not addressing a violation of the
state's rights by the federal
government. However, it really is
largely bound to the facts as they were
established in the trial that she
conducted. So, you know, there's there's
a little bit of something there for
everybody. the people who would like to
say, "Listen, this should kind of settle
it nationwide." Well, yes and no.
Because it's really ultimately only
settling the circumstances that she
found pursuant to the litigation that
she conducted on on this issue.
Is there any indication from the Trump
team yet whether they're going to
appeal?
Not that I've heard yet. This is a brand
new ruling uh that just came down from
Judge Immigr. When has the Trump
administration not appealed something
that has gone against him?
Well, the reason I asked that though
there there there may be some concern
recognizing that the seventh circuit is
not necessarily uh some, you know, this
is not uh the 11th circuit. It's not
some big conservative bastion. And so,
is there some concern that if they do
appeal a ruling where they lost on the
merits, it's not uh precedent because
it's the trial court, but once it gets
into the appeals court level, then it
does become precedent. And so could that
be any concern or any reason for the
Trump administration maybe to reconsider
uh immediately running up to the uh
appeals court?
Yeah, Brian, there's so many moving
pieces in multiple jurisdictions. You
know, our viewers will probably recall
that there was litigation over Trump's
attempted deployment of National Guard
troops to Chicago. Now, that is on hold
and that's still kind of kicking around
in the seventh circuit court of appeals,
but Donald Trump is trying to bubble
that one up to the Supreme Court. Out in
the Ninth Circuit, which includes both
Oregon and California, um there is some
litigation kicking around, but here's
what I can almost promise. Um not that
I'm happy about it. I think all of these
matters are going to be consolidated.
They're all going to be taken up by the
Supreme Court. And the Supreme Court
will want to announce sort of one
principle, one interpretation of the law
and the Constitution when it comes to
Trump's ability, his authority to
deploy, federalize, and deploy National
Guard troops. And then they will return
it to the various states and the lower
federal courts to implement whatever it
is the Supreme Court comes up with. If I
had to bet my one one buck, which is my
betting limit, it will probably involve
an expansion of presidential power, I'm
just going to take a flyer that that's
what the Supreme Court might do again.
But ultimately, all of this, I'm not
going to say is for not, but it's all
going to make its way up and be
consolidated and decided by the Supreme
Court.
And that was going to be my next
question here. To what extent do you
think that this Supreme Court is even
going to care about any president,
whether it's a president from a trial
court or even precedent from appeals
courts? Well, you know, they have shown
really extreme disrespect for federal
trial court judges and federal courts of
appeals when they put out 100 160 in
some instances page opinions that
meticulously detail all of the precedent
involved, including Supreme Court
president. And you know, the the radical
right-wing majority of the Supreme Court
seems forever determined to throw it all
out without saying why in these shadow
docket decisions and expand presidential
power. Listen, if they found
presidential immunity in the
Constitution, even though the express
terms of the Constitution in a couple of
ways um disallow for presidential
immunity, why do we think they would do
anything but expand presidential power
in the military arena when they have
already said, listen, that's one of the
core constitutional functions of a
president pres of a president that
nobody can touch. So, you know, I'm not
wildly optimistic that we're going to
get a good sort of democracy saving
opinion out of the Supreme Court on this
one.
To that end, what kind of an impact does
this ruling by Judge Immigr have for
you? Like, like does the fact that we
did see a trial court rule on the merits
against Trump's completely baseless
troop deployment? Because remember,
there is no there is no foreign
invasion, there is no insurrection, and
there is no failure of the local
government to effectuate its laws. And
so none of the planks uh that would have
that would have um that would have
facilitated the deployment of troops
domestically were met and and this judge
recognized that and ruled accordingly.
So does that hold any weight for you at
least as you think about the judiciary
kind of holding itself up as a bull work
against Trump? you know, um, generally
the way I look at it is pressure bursts
pipes. And I think there is a certain
pressure generated by federal trial
court judges, particularly ones
appointed by Trump and there are a
number of judges appointed by President
Ronald Reagan, George HW Bush, George W.
Bush who have pretty consistently and
vocally ruled against Donald Trump's
lawlessness, unconstitutionality,
and general abuse of power. All of that
should generate pressure. Now, whether
there is any pressure felt by the
Supreme Court, given that they are above
the law, they have no mandatory code of
ethics. They're the only nine federal
government employees who operate in an
ethics-free zone. They can do whatever
they damn well. Please. I don't know
that they feel the pressure, but I do
think it generates pressure that may be
sort of felt by politicians. It may may
be felt by the American people. When
they see these federal court judges
standing up, doing the right thing,
protecting democracy, abiding by the
rule of law and the constitution, it
becomes a powerful expectation that that
is the way, you know, a democracy is
supposed to operate. So, you know, I
still think it generates pressure. I
just don't know if that pressure bubbles
all the way up to the Supreme Court,
which is really where it needs to be
felt the most because all of the lower
court opinions in the world, no matter
how loyal they are to the Constitution
and the rule of law can be tossed out on
a whim by, you know, the a majority of
the Supreme Court justices.
All right. Well, obviously this is a
story that continues to develop here as
we await an inevitable appeal both to
the circuit court and then the US
Supreme Court. And we're also waiting on
some rulings here in Los Angeles and
Chicago uh on the same issue. And I'm
sure Donald Trump is going to continue
to flex his autocratic muscles and try
and deploy troops to other cities. And
so there's a lot happening right here.
So for those who are watching, if you
want to follow along, please make sure
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and I'm Glenn Kersner.
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US Judge permanently blocks National Guard deployment in Portland for ICE protests
by: Jenna Deml, Joelle Jones
koin.com
Posted: Nov 7, 2025 / 09:10 AM PST
Updated: Nov 7, 2025 / 06:30 PM PST
https://www.koin.com/news/portland/imme ... 11-7-2025/

ORTLAND, Ore. (KOIN) — After granting a preliminary injunction barring any troop deployment in Portland, U.S. Judge Karin Immergut ruled Friday to permanently extend the order, noting any state’s National Guard cannot be sent to Oregon.

Coming right up to the point the injunction was set to expire, Judge Immergut also granted a stay for a period of 14 days on troops who had already been federalized, but not deployed.

Oregonians begin receiving SNAP benefits Friday morning

“Today’s ruling is a huge victory for Oregon. The courts are holding this administration accountable to the truth and the rule of law,” Oregon Attorney General Dan Rayfield said in a statement Friday evening. “From the beginning, this case has been about making sure that facts, not political whims, guide how the law is applied. Today’s decision protects that principle.”

Immergut, a Trump appointee, presided over a three-day trial earlier last week. She previously issued two temporary restraining orders in the case, blocking the troops pending further litigation.

Judge Immergut has been involved in this case since September, when Oregon first sued to block the Trump administration from federalizing the National Guard.

According to Professor Tung Yin with Lewis & Clark Law School, her preliminary injunction order indicated she would side with the State of Oregon in the final ruling, as she repeatedly cited the “irreparable harm” Oregon would suffer if the troops were deployed in violation of the Tenth Amendment.

“Who does she believe? From the preliminary injunction order, it seems like she really believes much more of what the Portland Police Bureau officers had to say and other local officials, than she believed what ICE agents and others were saying,” said Professor Tung Yin with Lewis & Clark Law School.

DHS fast-tracks new rules governing masks and violence near federal facilities
Immergut also previously took issue with the Trump Administration’s use of the word “rebellion” to characterize the need to send troops to Portland.

In early October, Judge Immergut ruled in favor of the Oregon’s proposed restraining order, saying the relatively small protests in Portland did not justify the use of federalized forces. She also said allowing the deployment would harm Oregon’s state sovereignty.

When President Trump then attempted to deploy troops from California and Texas, Oregon leaders filed another restraining order that was also approved by Immergut.

However, the Trump Administration’s appeal for the first case was won in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in Oregon. Federal attorneys then filed the motion to dissolve the second TRO on the same basis. This gave way to Sunday’s granting of the preliminary injunction.

Awaiting her decision, a handful of demonstrators gathered outside the Portland ICE facility on Friday to make their voices heard. This was a peaceful scene compared to the larger protests that prompted federal action in September.

“He’s saying we’re burning down. I mean, look around. It’s a beautiful day in Portland, right in front of the ICE Facility, and everything’s fine,” protester Mike “The Clown” told KOIN 6 News. “People are driving by, going to work. There’s no need for troops here –and those are our troops. We pay for them, our tax dollars!”

Since Judge Immergut sided with the state, Professor Yin noted he expects the losing side will appeal to the 9th Circuit Court regardless.

Portland Mayor Keith Wilson released the following statement in response to the ruling:

“As I have said from the beginning, the number of federal troops needed in our city is zero, and today’s court ruling vindicates Portland’s position while reaffirming the rule of law that protects our community. Portland values the Constitutional right to free speech, and we will defend those rights. We will continue fighting in court and working with state and community partners to ensure public safety, protect civil rights, and stand up for our immigrant community.”

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Tucker Carlson on Why He Interviewed Nick Fuentes and What He Wanted to Convey To Him
Megyn Kelly
Nov 6, 2025

Megyn Kelly is joined by Tucker Carlson to discuss his decision to interview Nick Fuentes, why he speaks with controversial figures to understand their thinking, what he wanted to convey to Fuentes, what he thought of him after, and more.


1
Transcript

I'm so happy we are having this moment.
Well, I'm so grateful to be here.
I didn't think I'd ever leave my house
again. We had Nazi week this week and I
so I turned off my phone.
Yeah,
I have Nazi week about once a year.
Have you Have you
for like 30 years and now I'm just like
I I can't do I
You have any big interviews lately? How
how's everything going? I I literally
went on a hunting trip and my wife had
put Starlink in our hunting camp which I
was totally opposed to but there was a
sense that like I needed to be in touch
and my phone went off. We're like on the
Canadian border and hunting with my
college roommates and all of a sudden I
checked my phone is you know you have
400 texts and they're like ni and I was
like turning this off. I still haven't
replied yet.
Unsubscribe.
No I' I've been through this before.
Yes.
Yes. Yes. Of course you have. I mean
everybody has. As I was, you know, just
recounting, I was a racist in literally
every newspaper in the country. It's
like this is what they say. They go to
the worst possible place to paint
anything you do as an attempt, I think,
to delegitimize you. So, let's talk
about it. Let's talk about why Nick
Fuentes.
I interviewed Fuentes. Well, I should
just give the publicly available uh
information on this, which is that I was
in an extremely personal and bitter war
with Fuentes like three weeks ago. Um,
it mostly wasn't public, but Fuentes was
attacking my father, a subject I have
like literally no sense of humor. My
father passed in in um in March and, you
know, was really kind of the patriarch.
Not kind of, he was the patriarch in our
family and a hero to every person in our
family. And, you know, some of what
Fantessa was saying about my dad was,
you know, true, okay, which made it
worse. Um, but I was just so offended by
that I couldn't deal with it. and uh and
my son and my wife. So, you know, I was
really mad at Fuentes and then I did an
interview and just out of the I was so
mad it like popped out and I attacked
Nick Fuentes
uh in this interview. This was last
month, I think, is um and then I got all
these calls from people saying, "Do you
know anything about I don't know
anything really about Nick Fuentes other
than he's attacking my dad, my wife, and
my son." And it was like actually Nick
Fentes is the single most influential
commentator among young men like period.
He's got 5 million subscribers on
Rumble.
It's bonkers. And I didn't know any of I
mean I'm 56, so I'll just like state the
obvious, you know, like our demo.
My oldest child is 31, like much older
than Nick Quenta. So I kind of missed a
lot of this stuff. I pride myself on not
missing things. I totally missed that
really. And then it turns out that, you
know, he has no advertisers. They've
been trying to cancel him since freshman
year in college. Ben Shapiro actually
tried to shut him down freshman year in
college and it didn't work. In fact, it
had the opposite effect. So, I was like,
hm. And so, I talked to a million people
I know like maybe I should interview
Nick Fentes to hear what like what is
this actually?
Uh, and so I decided to do it and I
thought it would be controversial. I
didn't think it would become what it's
become. Um, I'm not going to offer any
defense other than, you know, it's kind
of interesting. I've literally I mean
I've interviewed any I'm doing this for
34 years so I've interviewed everybody
most of them bad people to be honest
right
I interviewed Liberian
militia leaders during the Liberian
civil war all cannibals every single one
of them it tasted human flesh
and first of all I kind of like them I'm
just being honest because I like people
don't agree with cannibalism pretty
opposed
for the record
but I'm just that way I just like people
and the closer if you can like smell
someone and talk to them like it's hard
to not see the human in the person even
if he's cannibal.
Did the Liberian cannibal smell good?
Kind of rank to be honest. Actually,
during the interview, this is I'll never
forget this.
I was in Africa for to cover the Civil
War and I'm interviewing this guy and he
was like, you know, Commander Butt Naked
or it wasn't actually Commander Butt
Naked, who was a famous militia leader
during that war who fought, needless to
say, Butt naked.
But I'm interviewing this guy and his
cell phone goes off and it's the Woody
Woodpecker theme song.
And I was like, "Oh my gosh, you're
human." And it was like hilarious.
Anyway, the point is none of those were
controversial. Like I interview people
who are hated and in some cases like
demonstrably evil. And I asked them why
did you do that and what you know what's
your account of yourself? Like tell me
who you are. What do you believe?
And I wanted to that was the first thing
I wanted to achieve with Nick was like
what is this? Tell me you know I'll give
you two hours. I have only watched your
clips are like a minute long. I want to
hear like why don't you describe what
you think cuz I think that's the small
role that I play which is to get
documentary evidence of people
describing what they think. I did it
with Putin. I'll probably do it with
every other bad person in the world
because I'm interested not because I
agree with him because I think it's
interesting. And second, I wanted to say
something very specific to Nick Fuentes
and it's this and I said it which is I
think it's totally legitimate to
criticize any foreign country from
Belgium to Congo to Israel because
they're foreign countries.
Yes.
And I'll never give up that right. In
fact, it's an obligation, I would say,
and to be reasonable about it and not,
you know, but what's in America's
interest. Totally legitimate. It is
totally illegitimate and very
specifically uncchristian
to attack people for their DNA. Like I
hate this group.
You wanted him to hear that.
He has We all have to hear that. And
because that is the basis of Western
civilization. Western civilization is
derived from the New Testament. It is
based on Christian ethics. And the core
difference between the West and the rest
of the world, not just Israel, but every
other country is that we don't believe
in collective punishment because we
don't believe in blood guilt. We don't
believe that you are born guilty. And we
also don't believe that you're born
virtuous. We believe that God created
every person as an individual. God did
not create communities.
Every woman gives birth to a human
being. And every person has the spark of
God inside him. I mean that's what we
believe as Christians and every person
has the possibility of redemption and in
my religion the great human hero in
Christianity Jesus is God in human form
but the great human hero in the New
Testament is its primary author Paul who
was Saul of Tarsus who was the primary
persecutor as a Pharisee of Christians
he was murdering Christians he was a
he's Jewish by the way like everyone in
the in the New Testament but he was on
the way to go murder more Christians
that he met Jesus and then he became the
great evangelist of our faith faith and
wrote the majority of the New Testament.
So like he's my personal hero, but he's
also living testament to the truth about
people which is each one of us was born
in as an individual and we will face God
alone at the end to account for our
lives and along the way there is always
the possibility that no matter what your
genes are, what you look like or what
your religion is that you can change and
that you can be saved by Jesus. That is
Christianity in three sentences. And so
that is reflected even for people who
aren't Christians that is reflected in
an ethical framework and a legal code
that is the only truly unusual and great
thing about the west which is we do not
punish the innocent. We only punish the
guilty. We do not you commit a crime, we
don't throw your kids in jail. We don't
execute your cousins. We don't commit
genocide against your whole tribe. We
punish you because you did it. We treat
each person as an individual. That is
western civilization. That's a Christian
understanding. Does not derive from any
other religion. Christianity alone alone
unique makes that claim. And that's the
base of justice system which again even
non-Christians appreciate. That's why
they move here because it's
self-evidently more humane. That's where
the idea of human rights come from.
They're not collective rights. It's not
that your tribe has rights and his tribe
does and it's you as an individual have
rights. And that idea
is not only being challenged in our
country, it's being disregarded.
It's disregarded in DEI. It's
disregarded in affirmative action.
Identity politics is a reputation of
that idea. We are awarding some people
something because of how they were born
and hurting others for the same reason.
That is anti-western. It's evil. And it
leads in the end
inexorably to genocide. That is the root
idea behind what happened in Europe in
the 40s under the Nazis. It's the root
idea behind what happened in Rwanda in
1994. It's the root idea just saying
behind what's happening in Gaza right
now where it's like we're going to kill
the kids too. We don't care and we're
going to, by the way, move everyone out
because they're a people that is
fundamentally opposed to us. Yeah. Well,
I'm not for that. Sorry. Cuz that's not
the Western understanding of justice. We
punish the guilty alone. We do not
punish the innocent. Period.
And that's not racism. And in fact, it's
the it's the answer to racism. It's the
answer to anti-semitism. It's why
anti-semitism is wrong. It's why racism
is wrong. No, you're not better than me.
No, you're not worse than me because of
how you were born. You're the same as me
because we were both created by God.
Period. So the whole idea of thinking of
people as members of tribes, any tribe,
including my tribe, is primapaciacia
immoral. And yet it is the operating
idea behind so much of our politics. And
I reject it. I reject it when it
manifests as anti-semitism. I reject it
when it manifests as anti-white racism,
which is, you know, been pretty common.
I know we're not supposed to say it, but
it's real. But I'm not mad about that
just because my kids are white, which
they are. I'm mad about that because the
idea is immoral. It's anti-Christian.
And that is the destruction of the West.
And so when I see these people like,
"We're defending Western." When Mark
Levin's like, "We're defending Western
civilization." Randy Fine who's like,
"Yeah, we just have to kill every
Palestinian because they're Palestinians
so we can defend Western civilization."
I'm like, "No, no, no. You're the enemy
of Western civilization because
collective punishment is the enemy of
Western civilization." Period. Wow.
That's what I wanted to say and I said
it and they called me a Nazi and I'm
like actually I hate the Nazis for that
specific reason.
But wait, what what I hear you saying
sort of is that you wanted to reach him.
You wanted him.
Of course I want to I want to reach him
and everyone watching.
But were you were you trying to help him
in a way?
I want to tell the truth as I understand
it with the everpresent knowledge that
I'm kind of a buffoon and I'm often
wrong. I supported the Iraq war. I
remind that myself of that every single
day. I've made a ton of mistakes, a ton
of errors and judgments. I've been
carried away by enthusiasm and
particularly by anger many times in my
life. So with that knowledge, knowing
that I am imperfect and I don't always
possess the truth. Okay, you always have
to remember that because I'm not God. I
still want to tell the truth as clearly
and completely as I can in every venue,
in every conversation, as fearlessly and
without shame as I possibly can. And
that's why Nazi week doesn't bother me
anymore because I'm not a Nazi. I'm a
Christian,
of course.
So, what about I don't want to spend the
whole time on this, but I am curious.
The the main criticism, as I understand
it, has been, well, yes, platforming,
they say that. I don't accept
platforming as an as an valid objection.
What is that a verb, by the way? You
take a noun and you make it into a verb
and nobody says anything. As a former
editor, I say no.
Yeah, agreed. Honestly, but like as far
as I know, Nick Fuentes hasn't eaten
anyone, you know? I mean, Jeffrey Dmer
ate people and he was platformed by Dian
Sor. Dude, we have a member, a sitting
member of Congress. I spoke to the
speaker of the house about this today.
We have a sitting member of Congress
from Florida called called Randy Fine
who is literally texted or put on
Twitter, we should kill them all. Every
single one. Someone texted a picture of
a of literally of a dead baby and he
laughs at it.
And it's like this guy's a lawmaker
who's appropriating money to a military
committing genocide and that's cool.
It's not cool. And let's just be honest,
that is much worse than anything Nick
Fuentes has said. Period.
So the main push back has been when you
had Jeffrey Dmer or the Kulux Clan, etc.
These journalists went after them like
exposed the terrible things and Nick
Fuentes has said a long list of very
vile things
big time including attacking my dad
which was the most vile of all in my
opinion.
Yeah. I mean, I personally have watched
videos of him questioning the Holocaust.
Likening it to baking cookies in the
oven and there's no way you could have
gotten to six million seems to be his
theory. He seem he thinks to seem to
think that we've way overstated the
number of Jews killed in the Holocaust.
He's ripped on poor Usha Vance in the
most offensive terms, which I mean, so
so what do you say to those people say,
"Why don't you why didn't you raise any
of that?"
You know, do your own interview the way
that you want to do it. You're not my
editor. Buzz off. I mean, I don't know.
You want to go yell at Nick Fuentes?
I'll give you a cell. Call him and go
sit and yell at him and feel virtuous or
whatever. That's up to you. I got the
same thing with Putin. Why aren't you
yelling at him? Okay. Why? So I can show
that I'm a good person. I care about
what my wife thinks, my children think,
and God thinks, and that's it. I don't
need to prove that I'm a good person to
you. You may think I'm a terrible
person. Okay? I'm just doing my thing,
which is I want to understand what
people think. And I'm committed to that.
And if you don't like it, don't watch.
That's my view. But that doesn't mean
that I share the views. I'm not telling
Nazi jokes obviously or or Holocaust
jokes. I mean, please.
Um, and I don't, you know, I'm not
telling them even in private because I'm
not into that at all. But I will say
just since you brought it up, one thing
that did bother me was the Usha Vance
thing. And I did actually I generally
make it a practice not to be like you
said this and da da da da and the
internet tells me or you know the ADL
says you said this. It's like why don't
you just tell me what you do think? Like
why don't you speak for yourself cuz
we're adults. That is my approach with
everybody whether I like him or don't
like him. But the Usha Vance thing did
upset me because I know Usha Vance and I
love Usha Vance and I was really
offended by that just personally because
I know her, right? And um in a normal
way and I did think about that like that
pissed me off and I
I'm just being as honest as I can be. I
didn't want to repeat it.
Yeah. No, you're always
as a journalist you're always there like
do I repeat it?
Well, if you know the person
and spread it or
kind of and it's like so wounding and I
mean he attacked my wife as I said. So I
don't I don't know. I I'm sensitive on
this. Maybe I made the wrong call by the
way probably.
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Tucker Carlson Interviews Nick Fuentes
by Tucker Carlson
The Tucker Carlson Show
Oct 27, 2025

The Nick Fuentes interview.



Transcript

The Origins of Nick Fuentes
Nick Fuentes, thank you for doing this. Yeah, thank you for having me. I wanted to meet you. I've heard about you. I've heard about you. So, thank you. Um,
I want to understand what you believe and I want to give you a chance in a minute to just
lay it out. Not what you're pivoting against, which are a lot of the same thing. You know, I agree with you on some of the things you're pivoting against for sure, but what do you
affirmatively believe? So, I just want to stand back and let you explain it. But first, I want to understand how you got to where you are, how you became Nick Fuentes. So, here's I'm just This is
my understanding of your life arc. And tell me if I'm wrong. You show up at Boston University.
You grew up in a suburb of Chicago, kind of working class, um, suburb of western suburb,
and you show up at Boston University in the fall of 2016 at the height of the well,
the battle between Trump and Hillary. It's like this kind of pivot point in history and you show up with a MAGA hat and you have a Trump hat and you have like basically off-the-shelf Republican
views. Yes. And so describe what the views that you had then and then describe what happened.
Yeah. So, when I was in high school, I was very political. I was reading a lot of the libertarian stuff, Austrian school, Chicago school, economic uh type literature,
cuz that's what was popular at the time. If you went online in the mid early 2010s, that's all the
conservative content there really was. That was the most extremely online type economics. Well,
uh, yeah. Yeah. Basically kind of the remnant of the Ron Paul revolution. Yes, the Young Americans for Liberty. Um, Prageru, which kind of skews a little more, I guess, conservative, but very
basic small government, individualism, libertarian type stuff. So, you you watch Prageru videos? Oh,
yeah. I was in the Prager force. What's that? It's a Facebook group for college kids and they promote
the Prageru videos. Wow. Oh, that's to the college students and high school. So, you really were a
product of the moment. Absolutely. And how'd you feel about Trump? Well, initially I didn't like
Trump when the primary started in 2015. I was I considered him to be a statist. Yeah. Which sounds
so ridiculous now. No, a lot of people thought that. Yeah. And I was a libertarian, so I saw
him as a big government 1990s liberal. He when he was asked about healthc care, he said, "Well,
we'll take care of everybody." And I said, "I'm a Rand Paul guy, Ted Cruz guy." Those were kind of
my people back in 2015. You like Ted Cruz? I was a cruise missile. Does Cruz know that? I don't think
so. No, I was actually on his campaign. You were on the Ted Cruz campaign? I don't know if I was
on the campaign, but I door knocked in a little village in Chicago in McKinley Park for Ted Cruz.
No way. In the Illinois primary. Did he write you a thank you note? No, I didn't get a thank you.
Um, he lost so I guess. Yeah, he did. He did in a very humiliating way. Uh, so wow, that's Wow,
that's amazing. So, um, so what happened? So I like everybody else in 2016 went through this
ideological awakening and first I shifted to Trump and the first realization that I had is it started
in 2016 actually cuz the primary you know started in 15 around April or May I think the first
announcements and I had very negative feelings about Trump and like I said pro Rand Paul pro Cruz
but when the actual Iowa caucus happened and the primaries began I saw that Trump was dominating
and every night in the Super Tuesday uh when they had all the big contests one after the other, I
remember the media was furious that he was winning one after the other. And I remember thinking to
myself like structurally, if I'm a libertarian or a conservative and we want to change the country,
we have to win elections. If you want to win elections, you have to bypass the media. I sort of had this realization that the media was really standing in the way. they were the problem. And I
had this realization that all the conservatives and Republicans up to that point were afraid to
take on the media. They like Mitt Romney would cower before them and were so apologetic and so
weak. And so initially I said, you know, I don't I actually don't ideologically agree with Trump
at all, but he will destroy the liberal media or at least their monopoly on thought and opinion.
Yes. And then a breakthrough can occur. So that was kind of the first hump and I said, you know,
I could get behind Trump because he's a winner. He'll win for our side. And that was kind of the
first big thing. And then as I listened to him more and more, his speeches and his rhetoric,
I started to think about immigration, which you hadn't really considered before. Never. And the reason why is because I was from a 95% white suburb. So the diversity had not
really reached my corner of Chicago yet. Um, we were me and my family, not so much my family,
they grew up in the city, but growing up in the suburbs, I was insulated from that. So,
it was just not even It's actually You're going to love this. This is I don't know if I've ever even
said this on an interview before. I was listening to Mark Levin's show. This goes to show how normie
I was. Actually, I listen to him every day. You listen to Mark Leavvin every day? In high school?
Yes. Wow. I was a fan. I loved his show and I actually liked how uh he was kind of obnoxious and
mean to his callers. Vicious and I liked that. I thought that was funny. But I'll never forget one
show he goes live and he says, "America's becoming a majority non-white country. Does anybody think
that's a good idea?" And I was thinking to myself, "Yeah, that actually doesn't sound so good. I I
didn't really even think that America's becoming majority minority like that." And wait, so you
were radicalized on race by Mark Levin? Yes. Are you making that up? Is that's that's a real story.
Amazing. Mhm. He planted the seed at least. And then I saw a graphic on 4chan or Twitter, and
I'm sure you've seen something similar. It said, "This is what the map looks like, the electoral map. If only men vote, if only women vote. If only whites vote. If only non-whites vote."
And it became very obvious what the electoral problem is. It's demographics. These immigrants are coming here. They're going to turn Texas blue like they turned California blue. I saw it happen.
Yeah. And you know, you look at even the opinion polls, these people don't believe in free speech.
They don't believe in the Constitution, the Second Amendment, as a libertarian, the things that are, and as American, things that are important to you, they don't believe, they don't understand
these things. And so I said, that's another political obstacle. You've got the media,
you've got immigration. So, I'm thinking like, well, we're going to vote for Ted Cruz. He's going
to be the constitutionalist. We'll vote for Rand Paul. He'll be the libertarian. But what stands in the way of political power for us? It's the media and it's immigration. So, I said, "Well,
we got to get Trump to beat the media, build the wall, deport the illegals, and once we set the
country straight, then we can actually have our constitutional republic back." That was kind of the idea, and that's the mindset that I had going into college. Amazing. So then what happened? So
I go to college and I'm just at that point a huge Trump supporter. And you got to understand for me,
for my generation, so I was 18. I turned 18 in August 2016. And to us, Trump. That's amazing.
Yeah. Well, cuz we're like the first generation that was influenced by Trump coming of age in that moment. No, I say it's amazing because when you're living in something, you don't appreciate its full
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It's transformative. And you know, so for us, he was like the savior of Western civilization. We
looked at him as like we, and by we, I mean me and all the online kids, teenagers that supported him,
we really believed the hype. Like Teflon Don like he could go into any scenario and win.
Like he was unstoppable, unflapable. nobody could score points on him. He he just seemed like you
you know they they said you can't stump the Trump like he could not be stumped. And so we he just had this aura of inevitability, invincibility and we I loved that. And so I went to Boston
University. I got on campus in September and I was wearing my MAGA hat everywhere in the dining hall,
walking down the street and it's a city campus. So you're walking down Commonwealth Avenue and
you know you're in the city of Boston which is super liberal and at that time it's different than it was now. People were getting fired for wearing MAGA hats. People were getting punched
in the face. It was like being a Trump supporter was it was out there actually back then. It was
controversial. It was controversial everywhere, not even, you know, just in liberal Boston. But
so I was wearing my hat everywhere and I was just getting accosted constantly in the dining
hall. People would come up and yell in my face. Some black girl in a hijab ran up to me and said, "You know what? You're supporting. You're racist. This and I'm trying to get my pizza. You know, I'm
trying to get my oatmeal or whatever at the dining hall. This was happening constantly." And so I was
going then on Twitter and I had a small Twitter account with my real name and face and I had, you know, maybe 200 followers. and I'm posting about my experiences and I caught the attention of
a lot of people on campus for wearing the hat, for posting on Twitter and they found my You've only
been there like a month less weeks, maybe three weeks. This is starting to kick up and I I catch
the attention of my peers and they start going at me on Twitter and giving me death threats. We're
going to kill you. How dare you? Uh if I see you, I'm going to beat your ass. That kind of thing.
And this was my first experience with this. Um, you know, now we're all kind of desensitized to it, but that was my first runin with like, you know, this intensity from the left. So, I file a
police report. I get real nervous. And, you know, when you're a student, you can't really avoid other people. You're in a dorm room. You're in the, you know, so you're vulnerable. And anyway,
long story short, so one of these guys from the campus libertarian group, Young Americans for
Liberty, he reaches out to me and says, "Hey, uh, I'm I'm not going to say his name, but he goes,
I I go to a school in Boston. I'm from YAL." He said, "And I'd like to set up a debate with you
and one of these people that's been giving you a hard time on campus because they were doing a lot of events." He said, "Is that something you're interested in?" I said, "Absolutely."
And so he goes around and he asks some of the bigger people that are antagonizing me on Twitter and everybody says no. And he goes, "Yeah, no one's going for it." I said, 'Well, can you
try again? Can you? And so he finds one guy and it turns out to be the student body president
of the whole university. Be you. Yeah. The senior, this liberal douchebag progressive. Uh,
and he's the student body president of the student government there. And so we set up the debate. It
was about a week before the actual election. So I think it was end of October, beginning of November and they hold it in this auditorium in the in the center of the campus and like 300 people show up.
So it turns into like this huge and they're all liberal. They all hate my guts. They're heckling me the whole time. They're yelling at me. We do this debate about Trump versus Hillary. And so I'm
there and I'm I'm proTrump and I say, you know, I think Trump's going to win. And I'm straight up like ripping the Ben Shapiro talking points. I'm saying, you know, it's got everything to do with
culture and nothing to do with race and diversity is a problem and all this. And I decisively win
the debate. It's like not even close. The debate wraps up and this girl who I I think I had talked
to her on Twitter once or twice comes running up to the stage after the debate and it's Cassie
Dylan. And at this time, she's a fellow at Daily Wire, Ben Shapiro's company. And like I said,
I I barely knew her. and she comes running up and she says, "Oh my gosh, I live streamed this debate
on Periscope on Twitter." She said, "And 30,000 people watched it and you have like five job
offers. You did incredible." I said, "Wow, I don't know what to say. That that's great." She goes,
"Uh, you're 18 years old." Yes. So, it's like happening very quickly for me, you know. And
she goes, "Do you want to do a postgame interview uh after the debate?" I said, "Sure." And so she
asked me about how I thought the debate went and what my views are and things like that and uh you know very normal stuff. And then at the end she says, "I just got back from doing study
abroad in Israel." She goes, "And it was amazing. Would you ever take a trip to Israel?" And I said,
"No, I think I got everything I need right here in America." And she goes, "Oh, okay." And she
wraps up the interview. And that was a little bit of foreshadowing. And this begins a relationship,
not a romantic relationship, but we we become friends and we start talking and she's plugged in,
like I said, a daily wire. She's talking to people at Right Side Broadcasting Network, the College Republicans. I start to develop this friendship with her. And
um over time, she lands me this show on Right Side Broadcasting Network. And in this time,
I'm really starting to lean into America first. I'm becoming more proTrump as time goes on. And
The Beginning of Fuentes’s America First Mission
what really stood out to me was Trump's inaugural address in January 17th. This was just a couple months later. And in Trump's inaugural, he says famously, "A new vision will govern our land.
It's going to be only America first. America first." And I said, "That's me." Like, that's
what I believe. I'm an American nationalist. Me, too. Fully at this point. Not even a conservative.
And there was one thing that happened just before that that really struck me as strange.
And I've told this story before. Um I'm not going to spend too much time on it, but suffice to say,
Barack Obama in the lame duck period. So he he the Democrats lost the election. He's on his way out.
There's a resolution in the Security Council condemning the settlements in the West Bank in Israel. And typically the US delegation will veto those resolutions condemning Israel. Well,
Obama's on his way out. He's got nothing to lose. So, the US delegation abstains from the resolution
and it passes. And Fox News and all the pro-Israel conservatives are calling him an anti-semite.
They're saying he hates Jews. He's an anti-semite. He hates Israel. And I saw that and it struck me
as strange because it seemed hypocritical. It seemed like how when conservatives would critique
anything about race, we got called racist. Or anything about feminism, we got called sexist.
All Obama did was uphold US policy on the West Bank that we've had since ' 67,
which is we don't support the settlements. I said, "How is it anti-semitic to just be consistent on
our US foreign policy?" Like I said, which is a Republican Democrat consensus? And I got attacked
for this. I wrote a big article about this. I tweeted about it. I tweeted to Ben Shapiro. I
The Daily Wire’s Efforts to Destroy Fuentes
said, 'You know, I've never seen anything on the Daily Wire that's actually critical of Israel.
And he quote tweets me. And at this time, I have a thousand followers on Twitter. How old are you?
I'm 18. I'm a freshman. You're still a freshman in college? Yeah. And this is even before I started
my show, and I don't know, I probably got a 100 likes on this tweet. It wasn't a viral tweet. He
quote tweets me and says to accuse a Jew of dual loyalty is the shest sign of anti-semitism. And
like this is how it sort of begins. And I see this tweet and by the way that was on Christmas Eve in
2016. He immediately called you an anti-semite. Mhm. So I'm driving to uh Christmas Eve mass with
my family and I see on Twitter the notification comes up. Ben Shapiro quote tweets me calling me
an anti-semite. And I was like, what is this? Like, why is this guy attacking me, you know,
because I don't have a platform at this time. I'm not an influential guy or anything. And so then I
put out another tweet similar. I said something like, "If you're China first, you should live in
China. If you're Mexico first, you should live in Mexico. If you're Israel first, maybe you should go live in Israel." And again, he quote tweets me and says, "You're an anti-semite that same night."
This was I I think a couple weeks later, happened a little bit further down the line. And so, were
you surprised that he knew you were? Yeah, I was. I was surprised at why he cared. Yeah. Because I'm
thinking, how does he even know who I am or what I'm about? And it turned out that Cassie Dylan,
she had texted him earlier and she wanted him to take me under his wing. She texted him after that
debate and said, "You know, you you really like this guy. He's amazing. He did this great debate." She goes, "But he's a little too proTrump. He's a little too Trumpy." And he goes,
"I'll take a look." And so, I guess the two of them were kind of like grooming me in a sense.
They wanted me to go maybe and be a Daily Wire or maybe looking me as a potential conservative
activist or influencer. And so they started paying attention to me. And the more critical of Israel I
was, I started to get this really intense push back from the both of them and from a lot of the people at Daily Wire. Why do you think so? You're an 18-year-old college freshman. You're
clearly talented and you're engaged. you're really interested and you ask not not crazy
questions like what what is this? Mhm. And rather than explain it, they just call you a racist,
call you an anti-semite. Like that's the first response. That seems like the least effective. Well, it turned out to be not very effective in your case, but that seems like the least effective
thing you could do. Why do you think they did that? Well, I I think that you have to look at
it not in retrospect because hindsight is 2020 and so looking back you could say they made a
terrible mistake because look at sort of what they provoked or what they catalyzed. But at that time
you got to consider I'm 18 with no following with no network. I'm coming from the suburbs
of Chicago. My parents didn't go to college. I have no connections. And so for them, it was very
easy that if they detected that a promising young guy was going to become anti-Israel in
the conservative movement, they could crush that person easily and grind them under the heel. So,
they sort of were alerted, oh, there's a precocious young guy that isn't on board with Israel. We'll keep an eye on him and if he gets too vocal or popular, we'll cut him down. We'll
crush him. Cuz at this time, as you know, in 2017, it's a very different time. 201617, any criticism
or disscent on the subject was a death sentence. You became radioactive, unhirable, blacklisted.
And that's exactly what happened. And basically from then on, it was just this escalating series
of blacklisting, censorship, hit pieces, rumors to try to ostracize me from the movement. And while
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seems like a big part of your political evolution. Yes. You went from a fanacolyte to an opponent and
then just pivoted against everything. Yeah. That he believes. Yeah. It was because it was this new
dialectic that Trump forced. Yeah. Trump planted the seed and the seed was America first. Yes. So
once you accept that, a lot of the way we're doing things becomes impossible to support or justify.
Right. The contradiction becomes apparent. It gets moved to the center and it becomes unignorable if you're consistent. So what kind of efforts did they make to make you go away?
So, this is a couple of months down the line. You know, first they would try to dissuade me from
asking questions because I was friends with a lot of the Daily Wire writers, not just Cassie Dylan, but many of them. Many of them were Jewish. And I would ask them point blank. I would say, "So,
why do we give Israel all this money? $3.8 billion per year. What What is that for?" And they would
say, "Well, you know, there's a really good answer for that, but you're asking it in the wrong way. you're asking it in an anti-semitic way, I'd say, I'm just I'm asking for the proof. You know,
what's what's the argument there? And so, first it was the sort of, "Hey, man, could you kind
of tone it down? Maybe just don't bring that up so much." But I was persistent because at
this time I was genuinely inquisitive. I wanted to know, is there an actual reason? And I was actually expecting that there was a really good reason for all of it. And the more that I read,
the more that I dug into the subject, the more I found out there's a lot of these neocon Jewish
types behind the Iraq war. There's the foreign aid complex, which is really unique. There's APAC,
which is this intense foreign lobby where it's bipartisan. It seems to be the only thing that the the parties can agree on. And so it just made me burn more with curiosity. So I I just kept asking
them and eventually they said, "You know what? we're not going to talk to you anymore. And these were my friends. I met them, went to Christmas parties with them. And all of them one day said,
"You're done. We're blocking you. We're never going to speak to you again. We're never going to have you on our show." And I said, "Wow." Like this this seems like inhuman. I'm struck
by how impersonal this is. Like here, I thought we're friends. We're all conservatives. Maybe
we disagree on one issue. Now I'm being cancelled by the right. So, I was shocked by this. When was
this? This was February or March 2017. So, you're still a freshman in college? Yes. Do Are you even
paying attention to college at this point? No, not at all. And I my grades started to suffer cuz I
was just really focused on this. So, that's pretty young to get cancelled and pretty young to have
friendships destroyed over politics like that's usually, you know, like decades down the line, right? What did you do? Well, I just became more emboldened. And so I I took this story on my show.
At this time I was on RSBN and I had this show which I named after the inaugural. It's called
America First. And I would kind of subtly bring up the Israel topic and say, you know, this is
something you're not allowed to talk about. This seems like an apparent contradiction. It's a big problem. And they escalated their attacks. Cassie Dylan would call my boss, who she was friends with
at RSBN every day for weeks, saying, "You'll never believe what Nick said on his show tonight. It's
so racist. It's so bad. You got to take him off the air. It's going to make you look bad." And I
would then get word from my boss, Joe Seals. He was the founder at Right Side. And he would call
me up and say, "I don't know what has gotten into Cassie. I thought you guys were friends, but she is calling me every day hysterically demanding that I fire you. And I was like,
wow. Like, so it it just keeps getting worse. It starts with this like they're very weird about the
subject. Then they don't want to talk to me. Then they're trying to get me fired. And I'm thinking, okay, so clearly what I'm asking about, there's some truth there that they don't want. Did any
I should have asked you this earlier. Did anyone during the course of you know pre-cancellization
say to you here are the reason you're not asking the question correctly but there are
reasons that are foreign aid to Israel is so high like and here's what they are they did
but in a very general and vague way as you know it's never specific they would say things like well they're they're our partner in the Middle East they're a democracy in the Middle East just
as very vague it's rhetorical and I read the Israel lobby by Mir Shimemer and Steven Wall
And they break it down very succinctly that there's no real strategic benefit. Actually,
there are strategic liability. Eastern Mediterranean is not a strategically important region. The intelligence that Israel provides is not useful. Actually, it's detrimental
because they frequently lie. The technology we give them, they pass along to the Chinese, which was a big scandal. Um, so, so I would give them all this and say, "Yeah, that's not adding
up." And they would say, "Yeah, yeah, well, you know, you really just can't talk about that.
Your friend said that to you? Yes. Wow. Um, okay. So, what happened to your job? The Right Side
Broadcasting gig. Eventually, I got fired. I got kicked out. Why? Because one of these clips that
Cassie Dylan had a problem with. She ran it up the flag pole. She took it to Media Matters actually,
which is a left-wing outfit. They're like a cancel mill. And wait, the Daily Wire person took it to
Media Matters? Yes. Are you sure? I'm 99% sure. Huh? What was the clip? It was a clip, ironically,
where I was talking about the travel ban, the so-called Muslim ban, and I was defending it, and
I said that the First Amendment does not protect foreign nationals. It doesn't protect Salafists,
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He's like, you know, I said, they're saying that there's a constitutional right for radical Muslims to come here. And I said, that how are they protected by the First
Amendment? They're they're foreign nationals. And the the authoral intent of the first amendment was actually not even to protect that to begin with. You know, it's kind of anti-Christendum radical
ideology. So, it's something ironically that probably Shapiro and Cassie would agree with,
but they recognize the currency that a clip like that would have with the left because a left could
say you're Islamophobic, you're racist. So, she brought that to the left saying, "Look at this
guy. It's not that he's anti-Israel, but he's anti-Muslim. Yes. That's very interesting. Yes.
And so that clip appears on Media Matters, which at the time what I was the subject of a lot of attacks from them at the time and people kind of listened to them. Yeah. Including on the right,
they listened to them. Yes. So what happened? So I had to write an apology. My boss called me up and
said, "You need to apologize for what you said for being anti-Muslim." Yes. And so I I I didn't write
I'm sorry, but I I had to write something like, well, I should have chosen my words more carefully and this that and the other. And ultimately then they fired me a couple weeks later. Yeah. What
And what was the pretext for that? Well, they wanted to get in the White House press office.
They wanted a press pass and they said it's the stuff you're saying on the show isn't like a good
look for right side. it it's they're not going to let us into the White House if you're with
us and that and but the pressure in this scenario came exclusively from the Daily Wire. Yes. Yes.
Because and and here's how I know why. My show got maybe a hundred live viewers every night. Not a
powerhouse show. No. So the Med Media Matters was not on to me. They were put onto me by uh people
in the right that wanted me canled. Yeah. Well, that's interesting. So then what do you do? You're
failing in school. Your show just got cancelled. What's your plan now? So I dropped out college.
Mhm. Y and I I hated college and it was very expensive. Even I had a substantial scholarship,
but it was still expensive and I didn't like it. So my plan was that I was going to go to a different college. I might work for a year, make some money. And uh eventually I got the show back
about a month later they came back and by popular demand from my 100 viewers who were very dedicated
uh right side offered me the show back and so I I took the show again over the summer uh and then I
applied for a job at the leadership institute that was kind of the next big saga. But you didn't get
that job? No I did not get the job. Why? Well, I was told because I knew people um that worked
there that were field representatives there. It was a field representative job. And so I went
out for a job training at the end of July 2017. So after that second semester and I applied for
this field rep job. It was this twoe training and I go there and on the first day of the whole thing
they go around the room of all the prospective applicants. It's like a big try out basically for two weeks and they wanted to get everybody to break the ice and know each other. So we did
introductions. They said say your name, how old you are and why you're a conservative. And at
this time people are not where let's say we are right now. They're not America first. They're not
any anything like they're not talking about great replacement. That's not on the radar for them. So, you go around the room and you hear stuff about small government, free markets, you know, personal
responsibility, that sort of thing. And they get to me and I said, "Well, I'm a conservative
because we're losing our civilization because of mass immigration. America doesn't resemble
America anymore. France is no longer France." I said, "And if we don't conserve the demographics,
forget about the rest. That that's what we need to conserve." And I said that and I was told later on
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Why Fuentes Decided to Challenge the Conservative Establishment
So where does that like where does that leave you ideologically? Like how are you changing at this point? So, at this point, I'm realizing that something is deeply wrong here
in the conservative movement because we were led to believe in in those days of the campus
culture wars and Gamergate and and all that is that we're the marketplace of ideas and we're
about free speech and the rest of it. And here I am being like nuked from orbit by Ben Shapiro as a
kid and for asking what I thought were reasonable questions because I didn't come from some strange
background. I come from a normal home. You know, my parents are Catholic. They're married. We came
from a relatively affluent suburb. I went to Lions Township. That's like a very affluent high school.
In other words, I didn't wake up as like the son of uh, you know, William Luther Pierce. So,
I wasn't like a skin head or something, you know? I was like a normal guy that was like, "Yeah, like country's too diverse. We're too pro-Israel. Like, this is reasonable." And I was just getting
sandbagged for it and blacklisted. And and what's more, nobody cared. Like, cuz I remember going on
Twitter and saying like, you know, why isn't anyone sticking up for me? Where's Dave Rubin, you know, the free speech warrior? Where's he on this one? Where's Shapiro? Where's all these
people? and and in some way they were all sort of complicit in this. So I realized that the
conservative movement was completely bankrupt in that way. Yeah. Became very radical. Well, it you
became I mean let me just say I'm so familiar with you know I was much older when it happened to me and much more much more insulated. I was not a college student. I was like 45. So you know and
um I was in a much better place to withstand the pressure. But I do think one and I want to this is
my main question to you is when you get attacked when people call you names like they always call
me racist and I would always think to myself I'm actually not I would tell you if I was racist
little I'm a little sexist but I'm not racist and I never understood why they did that and then I thought maybe the point is to make me racist where you just get to you get to a point where you're
like well if you're going to slander me then I'll just become the thing you're calling me. I do think that's a feature of human nature, don't you? And if you stare too intently at the accusers, at
the, you know, whatever Ben Shapiro or Mark Leven or Ted Cruz or whoever it is calling you names,
it like distorts you and you actually change and become what they say you are. Have you thought
that ever? Do you worry that that happened to you? No, I don't think it ever did because I I
know who I am. I had a very firm grounding of what I'm about, which is that I was deeply Catholic,
and I still am deeply patriotic and pro-American. And um I don't consider myself temperamentally to
be an angry or a hateful person. So I I never, in other words, lost my center. You know, they say this thing about uh you look into the abyss and the abyss stares back into you. That
never really happened to me. I I was frustrated. I was frustrated because I felt like I was being
denied a level playing field. opportunity and it it wasn't fair. I felt like I was right. And these
people that were basically hypocrites, grifters, not really conservative, they were controlling the
conversation. And and as a consequence, they were controlling the Republican movement. And I really
perceive this as like an urgent crisis because if we wanted Trump to deliver America first, to
realize it, uh it it had to the Trump movement had to transform the conservative movement to reflect
the victory that Trump won. So I and I won't keep torturing you with biographical questions,
but I do want to like Sue, how you get your show gets cancelled, you drop out of college,
you have no money, you decide you want to work at the leadership institute, which is like a conservative think tank of or some organization of long-standing in Arlington, Virginia. Can't get
the job there because you're worried about immigration. It's all pretty amazing. And
then like where does that leave you? How did you succeed? Well, I continued doing my show. I did it
independently. Um, what does that mean? How do you do it? How do you do a show independently? Like,
how did you do it? I started a YouTube channel. Yeah. And I was in my parents' basement and uh I
put up a green screen. I got my computer webcam and I just started going live every night in the
same way that I did at RSBN. I just did it on my own channel where I had creative control over it.
And and at that point I I basically mounted an attack on the conservative establishment from the
outside. I sort of realized that there's sort of two ways you could play this. You could infiltrate
the conservative movement. I could recant all my views and apologize and pretend to be one of
them and bypass the gatekeepers, the sensors, I said. Or I could kind of be in the wilderness and
I would be alone and I would be radioactive, but I could challenge the credibility and legitimacy
of the conservative movement and its claim to represent conservatives. And that was kind of the mission was to say, um, no, the immovable standard is America first. I'm going to represent
it and the conservative movement is going to have to move to me. I will not move towards them. And I thought maybe I'll make money and maybe I won't, but I'm going to try it for a couple of years and
and I'll see how it goes. So, but the the sight picture in your head was enemy is conservative movement. Yes. Do you think um you think that was a good choice? Yes, absolutely. Rather than
like but why not like Antifa or you know I I don't know Anti-Defamation League or there are
a lot of institutions on like George Soros like why would it be the conservative establishment? Why do you think that was important? Well, I I kind of took a page from Trump's playbook,
which is that you have to in the country, the left was hegemonic over all the institutions. And you
have this organized opposition to the left and the Democrats and all the left-wing controlled
institutions. And the organized opposition comes from movement conservatism, the Republican party,
Fox News, you know, the the sort of constellation of conservative institutions. And I said,
"The problem is whether you go Democrat or you go Republican, you're kind of just like getting the
same thing. You're getting the establishment effectively. The opposition is basically controlled or moderated. It's not authentic opposition. It's not a true alternative."
And so I said, we, and by we, I mean the true America first nationalists,
we need to fight for the mantle of the opposition and then leading the opposition, then we can take
the fight to the left as the conservatives, as the Republicans, whatever. But first, you have to win
that internal battle among the audience that the conservatives have. Because that's really the problem is that they have usurped the base is extremely conservative, extremely anti-left,
but the Republican party like those that represent them are are not at all. They're very a lot of them are atheists, a lot of them are gay, a lot of them are feminists. And so I said like we we
kind of need to rally like Trump did rally the base against the establishment and then take the
fight to the left as the true alternative. And if you can win that, then you win the country. that that was kind of Trump's model. What what did you see as like the most important gatekeepers
that needed to be overturned, pushed aside in order to do this? It it was these Zionist Jews
like Dave Rubin, like Ben Shapiro, like Dennis Prager. Um it was these um the guys that were
really controlling the media apparatus that seemed to me to be the biggest impediment. Fox Fox is not
a Jewish business, though. Well, Ruper Murdoch is an ally of Netanyahu, so he's aligned. Yeah. And
he owns the whole News Corp empire, so and yeah, he's certainly a part of it also. Um I mean Dave
Rubin though, does he matter? No. No, not really. Right. I mean Dave Rubin, it's like I don't know.
Do people watch Dave Rubin? Uh they did back then. I mean because you got to consider they they were kind of like the ascendant new media, you know, they represented the next big thing.
I mean, and Ben Shapiro seems irrelevant to me now. Now, but back then for
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question. So I look at the landscape now and the people I see as you know I'll just I'll narrow it
down to foreign policy. Okay. who is effectively opposing neoonservative foreign policy,
which has been the dominant foreign policy of the United States for my entire life, which has been so destructive, I think, and I've seen it. Um, who are the voices who are sincere in their opposition
to that and who have some ability to to change uh the country's orientation on foreign policy?
And those would include Marjorie Taylor Green, JD Vance, um Matt Gates, uh but you've attacked all
of those people. Yeah. Why would you in almost Joe Joe Kent Mhm. Um those strike me as someone who's
Why Did Fuentes Attack Joe Kent?
really interested in this topic. I'm not that interested in the Jews, but I'm very interested in the foreign policy question. Those seem like the most sincere those seem like the only hope of the
country to get away from this destructive really self-destructive cycle. Why attack them? Well,
in short, they attack me first. Yeah, but like who cares? Well, let's take Joe Kim. I mean,
you attack me constantly and I'm like, I don't really give a [ __ ] I want to meet the guy. You attack me first, too. No, no, no, no. But I'm What I'm saying is I'm not whining about it.
I'm just saying like so you know what I mean? Well, I don't I don't say so because like take
Joe Kent for instance. I supported Joe Kent and I talked to Joe Kent. I got introduced to him by
Matt Brainard. Matt Brainer went to my conference in 2021. He bought a table. Was he a campaign manager? He was. Okay. Or he was a consultant, but he was on the campaign. Yeah. And so I met
Matt Brainard. He liked me a lot. He loved my conference in February 21, which he bought a table
at for his organization, Look Ahead America. And in 2021, we, and by we, I mean my nonprofit and
myself and my team. We wanted to support America First candidates in the midterms, like you said,
authentic opponents. Me, too. Yeah. That's how I found Joe Kent. Yes. And um so I I met a lot
of the people in that sort of scene like Ryan Gduski I know is very supportive of Joe Kent and
other people that are more private I don't want to name but they put me on not just a Joe Kent but Patrick Wit in Georgia uh Gibbs in Michigan a lot of different people and Joe Kent was one
of them and I had a phone call with Joe Kent and I told him I had my assistant on the phone too
who's Jewish by the way just cuz I want you to know I'm cool like that you know I don't judge
But um so I'm on the phone with Joe and I said, "Look, we support you and we want to do everything
we can to help you. We want to have my followers knock on doors for you. We want to boost your
social media. Anything that you need, we want to help you." I said, "And we don't even want
to be publicly associated." I said, "Because we know that that might hurt you." I said, 'The only thing that we ask in return is you can't disavow me if the media asks, and you can say
whatever you need to say, but you can't disavow. And he said, 'Y yeah, I totally agree with you
because if we start disavowing each other, then we're just going to eat each other alive and the left wins. We're in agreement. And a couple months later, Joe tweeted in support of me cuz I
had been banned on all social media. I was on the no-fly list. So he said something on Twitter like,
you know, Nick Fuentes shouldn't be banned. He should not be censored. A month after that, I put out on Twitter, I said, Joe Kent is one of the most impressive America first candidates
that's running in 22. Well, fast forward a whole year later. I do my annual conference, AFPAC,
in February 22. Marjorie Taylor Green attends. It's uh we had 1,200 people and it got a lot of
media attention and I'm driving home cuz I'm on the no-fly list at this time. I'm driving
home from Florida. Can I ask you pause? By no fly list, do you mean not extra scrutiny but like not
allowed to fly in airplanes in the United States? Not allowed to fly. Yes. How can that How can How old were you? I was 23. Did you have any felony convictions? No. Okay. How can I'm not I wasn't
even aware that that could happen. How long were you not allowed to fly in airplanes in the United States? One year. It's really crazy. Yeah, it was. Sorry. I just want to get that out there.
No. Yeah, it's brutal. And you confirmed that you were not allowed to fly in airplanes? Yes, I have the letter from the TSA. Yeah, I was on the do not board list. That's Sorry. Sorry to interrupt
you. No, it's crazy. But um so anyway, so I'm I'm driving home from Florida after my conference and
I get people start texting me. Joe Ken is on Twitter and he says, "I condemn Nick Fuentes,
especially his views on Israel." That's the tweet. And I texted Joe and I said, "Seriously?" And he
texts me back and he says, "We win by addition, not subtraction." I go, "Well, you just subtracted
me out of the movement." I said, "Because I don't support you anymore." He goes back for seconds.
He goes on Twitter and says, "Nick Fuentes and his focus on race and religion does not fit with
my message of inclusive populism." Inclusive populism. That doesn't sound like authentic
America first. That sounds like [ __ ] to me. And I don't know. I know he's your friend, but I don't
know him that well. I'm not on the team. Well, I I so my read on Joe Kent was he's totally sincere.
He like me has always been committed to separating out like foreign policy views from ethnicity. Not
because I mean obviously I'm denounced as an anti-semite every day. So I I don't really care
what ADL thinks of me, but my Christian faith tells me that there's no such thing as blood
guilt and virtue or sin is not inherited. It's not a feature of DNA. So every person must be
assessed individually as God assesses each person individually. And that's like a foundational view.
So I always thought it's great to criticize and question like our relationship with Israel because
it's insane and it hurts us. We get nothing out of it. I completely agree with you there. But the second you're like, well actually it's the Jews. First of all, it's against my Christian
faith. Like I just don't believe that and I never will. Period. And second, then it becomes a way to
discredit. That's when I was like, "This guy's a fed." I was totally convinced you were a fed
because I was like, "Here he's bear hugging like the one sincere guy who lost his wife in Syria
thanks to the [ __ ] crazy wars, neocon wars, and he's discredit. He's doing the David Duke." Like
David Duke would always, every time I rolled out a new show, he would issue an endorsement of the show. I've never met the guy. What's that? Well, it's the feds. Obviously, he's trying
to destroy me by association. Whatever. You see the point? Yeah. But so, let me ask you this. So,
if I'm supporting Joe Kent, I'm David Duke bear hugging. If I attack Joe Kent, I'm attacking the
only sincere America first. I get it. I mean, I do get it. And I I just want to say I love Joe Kent.
Um I don't I can't having been denounced by a lot of people I like, I know what that feels like. So,
I definitely am sympathetic to that. Yeah. I was denounced by someone I like last night. I was I hurt my feelings. You know what I mean? Whatever. I'm not going to say what her name is,
but I helped her. I liked her. You know, it's like, why are you denouncing me? Why don't you call me? Yeah. Right. I get that. I guess the two problem. But then on the other hand,
like one of my favorite people in the world is Glenn Greenwald. Mhm. Yeah. I love Glenn. Oh, what a good man. Glenn must have spent like 10 years attacking me full-time. Tucker Carlson is d and
he was some of his criticism was correct actually you know with tool of the neocons endorsing these [ __ ] wars like he was right but he really hated me and then when we started to agree on stuff I
was like you know what it's not about me I don't care like I don't want personal peak or my hurt
feelings to govern my behavior. I guess that's what I'm saying. I'm not lecturing you. I get
it. But I feel like gay pissed you off. It's in a campaign. He's got 19 consultants. This kid's
a Nazi. be careful of him. Like, I don't know. Let it go. Well, and I I totally agree with you,
by the way. And um and and that's why I don't take it personally at all. Like, and I like you. I've
said very positive things about you on my show as well. I think and I know, but I I mean to say that
um my goal is America first. It's not about me. It's not about my personality. It's about winning
for America, you know, and by winning, I mean we want to see our vision realized. Um, but with Joe,
for me it was very specific that he said inclusive populism. And I really didn't like that because
to me there were a lot of similar phrases at this time. Multi-racial workingclass populism,
this kind of stuff. And I said, you know, on some level, we do need to be exclusive, not inclusive.
We do need to be right-wing. We do need to be Christian. we do on some level need to be pro-white, not to the exclusion of everybody else, but recognizing that white people have a special
heritage here as Americans. Um, and so the reason I opposed him in 22 was not because I was mad,
but it was to say America first cannot backslide into this kind of inclusive populism message,
which I perceived to be more like GOP slop. And I'll tell you, when he ran again in 24, I did not
oppose him. I did not oppose him. And I would have supported him if he had reached out or something like that. Um because for me it it was very political and professional. I wanted to impose
a cost. If you disavow someone cuz they criticize Israel. If you disavow someone for talking about
white people and Christianity, I said we can't let that slide because and you understand why he
did it. Like I don't on some level I don't hold it against him in the sense that there is such a strong incentive. It's easy to say, "I disavow all these crazy Christians and all these crazy
white nationalists." Cuz it buys you wiggle room with people that are attacking you. It's like easy
to throw them under the bus and say, "I'm one of the good guys." And so I said, "It's too easy.
We need to push in the other direction and say you should feel less comfortable uh saying that people
shouldn't talk about their race and religion. Maybe you think twice next time." And that I so I did it for a very specific reason. And um I I I get that. What I do think is bad, just objectively
bad and destructive is the all Jews are guilty or all anybody is guilty of anything cuz that's
just like not true. And we don't believe that as Christians. We I mean my hero in life is Paul.
Guess you call him St. Paul. Saul of Tarsus, a Pharisee. Yeah. And meets Jesus and becomes
this just incredible man. incredibly brave, smart, loving, like everything you want to be as a man,
he was Jew. Yeah. So like, you know, and God did that to him. So it's like you can't I think that's
an And I don't think it's like mushy liberal [ __ ] which I hate and I hate all the language that you're describing. I get why it offends you because it's code for I don't really believe what
I'm saying. I I have a PhD in the subject so I know. But I also think there is like a a true not
Identity Politics
just principle but like spiritual reality that we have to defend which is God created every person
as an individual not as a group. He no woman gave birth to a community. Like we hate that kind of
thinking, right? Collectivist thinking like that. That's identity politics. That's what Dave Rubin engages in. That's why Dave is like a just a child. Like you don't pay any attention to Dave
cuz he's like shallow. But we're not going to be that, right? Or no? No. I I completely agree with
you and you know like and not to be that guy and say that thing but like my best friend is a Jewish
person, you know. So like but here but here's my I guess here's my substantive disagreement because I as a Catholic I could not agree more with you. Yes. In in what you're saying. I love
all people even the ones that don't like us. We have to love them all and we have to recognize that we're required to. Yes. Yes. And especially Aquinus says the Jews are a witness people and so
they actually have special protections under the law according to Catholic philosophy. But I guess
my substantive disagreement, which I've said on the show also, is the idea that neoconservatism
and and Israel has nothing to do with Jewishness, Jewish identity, the Jewish religion, because
clearly the state of Israel and the neocons are deeply motivated by that ethnic identity and
their allegiance to Israel proceeds from that. you know, the the plan of greater Israel, the
the blood and soil nationalism of Israel, it stems from this ethno religion which is Judaism. Well,
this is uh you know just BLM the new version. This is identity politics. They're engaging in identity
politics. I I mean that's just so obvious to me. It but the problem in your response so you're of
I mean I get what you're saying but the problem in your response is it does not apply to every
individual. No. And I would never say that. Okay. Well, I just think it's important to say that not
to kind of like dodge the accusations against you. My best friends are Jewish. Like okay, I agree. Emar embarrassing even though it's probably true in your it's true in my case actually. But
whatever. But because just that principle that we're all judged as individuals by what we do,
the our faith, the decisions that we make, the way we live our lives, and God will judge every one of
us in that way. And that's how we're supposed to judge. Like, is that I think that's true.
Yeah. And I and I totally agree. But I I guess the disagreement is you you say identity politics like
it's a bad thing. I think identity is a reality. Identity is a reality. Absolutely. You just can't
have a country of 350 million this diverse where it's just like waring ethnicities cuz then it's
just it's you I mean it's Rwanda soon and you know the people with the most force just kill
the others. So like you can't have that here, right? Yeah. And but I I would say specifically
as it pertains to you know you I think have said it's it's the neocons, it's the neocons and I
think that neoconservatism where does it arise from? It arises from Jewish leftists who were
mugged by reality when they saw the surprise attack in the Yam Kapoor war. Yeah. Well,
that's a lot of it for sure. But then like how do you explain Mike Huckabe, Ted Cruz, and they're a
lot like that. John Bolton, I mean, I've known them all. George W. Bush, like the Carl Rove,
I mean, all people I know personally who I've seen like be seized by this brain virus and they're not
Jewish. They're most of them are self-described Christians. And and then the the Christian
Zionists who are well Christian Zionists, like what is that? And I can just say for my self, I
dislike them more than anybody, you know, because like what? because it's Christian heresy and I'm
offended by that as a Christian. That's why. So I don't like why not like I'm pissed at the neocons.
Very pissed. I've said that a million times. I've been mad since December of 2003 when I went to
Iraq. And so like I went and hassled or hassled asked straightforward questions to Ted Cruz cuz
that seemed like was a sitting senator who's like serving for Israel by his own description. He
seemed like a worthy target. I'm not going after MTG. Mhm. Who's like the most sincere per like why
Why Did Fuentes Attack Marjorie Taylor Greene?
not go after Ted Cruz? I don't understand. Well, again with Marjorie, I was a friend of hers and
she spoke at my conference and then the day after she pretended like she didn't know me and that was in 2022. But it's a things it's a continuum. Like you said yourself, you showed up in college like
one set of views they evolve as you interact with reality as the reality itself changes as like you
learn things you grow like whatever people change. Well, and and look, now that everyone agrees with
me, I I will graciously forgive them for being personal. Like, who cares? It's not personal for
me. Like with Marjorie, if she wanted to um you know, be aligned or whatever, I I would totally be
on board with her. But where do you disagree with her? I don't know cuz I don't know what her new views are. She's really only come around on Israel this year and I've been talking about this issue
for 10 years and Right. Okay. All right. You win. But like, no, but it's not but it's not like that. It's just it it's a little it feels like BS to me that and I said this on Twitter the other day.
It's like I got treated like I didn't exist and cancelled for 10 years for saying these things.
And that's really where all this drama comes from. A time when there was this intense censorship and
nobody was on board with this stuff. Like again, Marjorie, she fired one of my people
was working in her office. She fired that guy cuz someone found out that a groper was working in her office and you know that guy got his life ruined and she pretended like she didn't know me
and lied and said I had no idea the conference I was speaking at. She knew exactly what it was and that's fine. Um but now that she's on the same page, there's like this expectation like okay well
um you know why why did you have a problem with her in the past? It's like because she was on the other team in the past. Yeah. Well, so was so was everybody. So now so are you. I mean, so what? I
mean, what why not? You don't You want It's got to be bigger than just like us, right? And it's not I don't think Well, I'll speak for myself. I'm I don't feel like I'm at war with the neocons or
Israel. It's much bigger than that. It's like you want to restore America to a place where your grandchildren would enjoy growing up. That's it. Yeah. Well, and I've and as far as Marjorie,
it's not who cares. Don't you know what I mean? Like, okay, lots of people hurt my If Dave Rubin
Is Fuentes a Fed?
called me tonight, which he would never do that he has myself. Um, and said, you know, I'm really
sorry I called you Hitler. Like, I didn't mean it. You're raising lots of legitimate questions, which I think I sort of agree with or am thinking about in a deeper way. I'd be like, great. Yeah. Like,
I don't care. That's And look, Tucker, that's why I'm sitting here, you know? I mean, because we had
a contentious dialogue. Well, I thought you were a fed. I was And I thought you were a fed. I was a
fed. I'm not a fed. Um, but whatever. I don't care what people Yeah. We showed each other a badge as we know. We're all No, but I thought you were a fed because I was like, why not? It's not cucking
to say you're not talking about all Jews when you oppose a foreign policy position. It's not. It's
There's nothing liberal about that. It's just true. That's the Christian position. Okay. And
two, why are you attacking like the best people and not the worst people? Well, yeah. I mean,
again, he he disavowed me for my views on Israel and said, "I talk too much about white people and
Christianity." And to me, that's like a sincere ideological disagreement. And you know, same thing with Marjorie. Marjorie fired my guy. She disavowed me. and um you know and and you worked
with Blumenthal on that article, but you called me on the phone and I we like what from my persp
who is for first of all, who is this kid? I'm working at Fox News. I'm I'm aware there's an internet, but I'm more out of it than you may appreciate. And I'm like out of nowhere
attacking this one. I had Joe Kent here to my house. I did this interview with him and I'm always in search of a sincere politician. Not don't have to agree on everything,
but I really believe sincerity is the whole game. If someone's heart is pure, he will be brave. I
always have thought that and it's turned out to be true. Marjgery is a perfect example and that's all
that matters. If you're afraid inside, if you're weak inside, you will crumble when it matters. So,
I really felt like, wow, Joe, I don't agree with him and everything, of course, but I was like, this guy is really sincere. he's like a good person and then you show up and you're like
he's a CIA officer and I'm going to I mean he was a CIA contractor but like really like crush
the guy and it's like why of all people you you agree on 90% of stuff you know that was my view
and I was like well clearly this kid's a fed right but you didn't know the whole story so I didn't you're absolutely right and and look and now that and I want to be I'm not trying to be combative I
think that go ahead I'm not you're not talking my feelings no I mean here here's what I'm trying to say is now that Marjorie is pushing in the right direction, I absolutely support everything she's
saying and I've not been critical of her at all this year cuz I think that what she's doing is extremely courageous and I think you're right, she is sincere. So it sounds like your not to
put words in your mouth, but your just your life experience has left you so stung by the Republican
establishment. You've you don't you don't trust anybody, it sounds like. Well, no. I mean, the these people attacked me when the rules were different and um now they got better and now I'm
good with them. I mean, I'm I'm willing to be good with them, but I think that I don't know if Marjorie still has a problem with me or not. I don't know. I don't know. Um, I do know though,
and this is the last criticism I will level, and it's maybe not even your fault. But I do know that, you know, the coordinated attacks against totally reasonable questions about what's
in America's interest and what's not. Those are all coordinated by the Israeli government, it's all come to light now. And they're against me. I've always thought I have the most world's most
moderate position on Israel. Don't hate Israel. Just don't want to get involved in their wars. Don't want to pay for this. Don't want to pay for abortion on demand in a foreign country. Sorry.
when we're cutting food stamps on our own. Like this is outrageous. It's not America first. That's my view. Not embarrassed of it at all. I They are totally determined to take me out, I think,
because I'm reasonable. Who would disagree with that and call me all these names, most dangerous
anti-semite when I'm not even an anti-semite? And they're not doing that to you because this is my
view. Mhm. And this not necessarily your fault. Mhm. But because they're like Fuentes discredits
the reasonable people because he's always banging on about the Jews, the Jews. And so he makes
everyone else look like a Nazi. And so it's like he's playing a pretty valuable role in the same way that Israel has always funded extremism throughout the Middle East, including Hamas,
because it discredits the reasonable people. That's a fact. Yeah. I Well, I would just say
I disagree. I mean, you know, cuz you say you said the other day, uh, they like me. I don't know what
you're talking about when you say that because let me just kind of rebut that. By the way, I'm
not saying you have anything to do with this. I'm just saying I've noticed the phenomenon. Totally. And I I just reject that because they have been messing with me for my entire adult life. I mean,
the ADL the ADL got me banned on YouTube. Uh, the SPLC posted my house on their website. This
What do you mean posted your house? They posted my a photo of my house on their website. How
can they do that? I guess that's a free speech thing. The SPLC posted a picture of your house
on their website? Yes. When? In 2022, actually. Yes, they wrote an article. They said Nick Fent
has bought a building in this city and they said we interviewed his neighbors and property records reveal this and that and on the front page the picture for the article is my house where I live.
That's crazy. And then someone showed up with a gun and tried to kill you at that house. Yes.
So that's why I say, you know, you say, "Well, they're not doing this to you." It's like the ZOA, the SPLC, the ADL, the Daily Wire. All these groups have been on me for years. So that's news
to me if they're really endorsing my activities. It could just be my perception. But I guess what I'm saying is as someone who thinks his own views are like completely reasonable, pass every smell
test, you could x-ray my soul. I don't think there's a lot of hate in there. And to the extent that they do make me feel hateful, the people who attack me, I do like say prayers about it. don't
we're not allowed to hate people is we forgive those who trespass against us. That's like our core prayer. So I just feel like it's the I don't know. Am I being paranoid? I feel like going on
about the Jews like helps the neocons. Well, what what about my views do you think are unreasonable
if yours are reasonable? Um I think again I just I don't think it's cucky. I think it's reality
to say that guilt is not inherited. Blood guilt is bad. One of the reasons that I'm mad about Gaza is
because the Israeli position is everyone who lives in Gaza is a terrorist because of how they were born, including the women and the children. That's not a western view. That's an eastern view. That's
a non-Christian. That's totally incompatible with Christianity and Western civilization. They say, "Oh, we're the offenders of Western civilization." Not with that attitude. You're not. Collective
punishment is the enemy of Western civilization. Yeah. And so I hate that attitude. It's genocidal.
The current claims that I'm a cancer, you know, from Ben Shapiro, whatever. We need to be exised
from the body of conservatism is a genocidal position that it basically encourages violence as they well know. The whole thing I hate. So like anytime you say a whole group of people is
responsible for the sins of some of its members, like I'm out. Yeah. But that's not my view. It's
not. Okay. So, what are So, tell me your views like rather than You're one of those people. One of the reasons I wanted to meet you is you're one of those people who is defined by clips. Yes. And
What Does Fuentes Actually Believe?
I'm one of those people also. Right. So, I get it. So, I'm going to just shut up and you tell
me what you actually believe. Yeah. Well, and and listen, I mean, and I appreciate you saying that because it's that's just the reality of the media environment we're in. So if you I don't expect you
to know all my views but I mean as far as the Jews are concerned I think that like I said you
cannot actually divorce Israel and the neocons and all all those things that you talk about
from Jewishness ethnicity religion identity and let me give you like a perfect example.
So you say on your show that we need to treat Israel like any other country and I sort of
understand that in principle because Israel is another foreign country. Yeah. But Israel is
unlike every other country in the sense that because the Jewish people are in a diaspora
all over the world. There are significant numbers of Jews in Europe but also in the United States.
And because of their unique heritage and story, which is that they're a stateless people,
they're unassimilable. They're resist assimilation for thousands of years. And I think that's a good thing. Um, and now they have this territory in Israel. There is a deep religious affection for
the state. It's bound up in their identity. The story of the Exodus from Egypt, the promise of the land, all these things. So let's say in the United States for example somebody like a Sheldon Adlesen
he's not Israeli is he an ideological neocon does he believe in the promise of democratic
globalism I don't think necessarily his heart is in Israel and it's because he is a proud Jewish
person and I guess what I'm saying is that if you are a Jewish person in America you're sort of and
again it's not because they're born but it's sort of a rational self-interest politically to say
I'm a minority. I'm a religious ethnic minority. This is not really my home. My ancestral home is
in Israel. There's like a natural affinity that Jews have for Israel. And I would say on top
of that for the international Jewish community. They're extremely organized and many of them are
critical of Israel or Israel's current government or the project of Israel. But I guess what they have in common unlike let's say like um Singapore for example is that they have this international
community across borders extremely organized uh that is putting the interests of themselves
before the interests of their home country. And there's like there's no other country that has a similar arrangement like that. No other country has a strong identity like that. this religious
blood and soil conviction, this history of being in the diaspora, stateless, wandering, persecuted,
um, and in particular the historic animosity between the Jewish people and the Europeans.
They hate the Romans because the Romans destroyed the temple. That's why Eric Weinstein goes to the
Arch of Titus and gives it the finger and takes a picture. We don't think like that as Americans
and white people. We don't think about the Roman Empire in 2,000 years ago. They do. Um, and and
so I I guess that's really and and I don't think that's me saying the Jews, the Jews, the Jews.
I don't think that's me being hateful. I don't think that's me being collectivist. I think that's understanding that identity politics, whether you love it or hate it, whatever you feel about it,
it's a reality that we live in a world of Jews and Christians, of whites and blacks, these identities
mean something to us and they mean things to each other. and we we can't sort of wish them away. And
it feels like white people and Christians are the only ones that do that. Well, there's no question about that, your last point, for sure. One of the reasons they do that is because they've
been taught to hate themselves, of course, since the Second World War. Another reason is, however,
the reality of a multiethnic country requires you to sort of set aside community or group interests
in favor of corporate interests. universal interests, national interests and you have to
do that or else it doesn't work and so I you know I agree those attitudes I mean certainly in other
parts of the world people think this way but you can't have that here and so it's just important to remind everybody that yeah I you know things may be generally true but like again they're not
always true and there are people who just strongly disagree and by the way in the specific case of
Israel Well, there are a ton of Orthodox who I know who are opposed to the state of Israel.
They're just Jew they're more Jewish than Dave Rubin a lot more and yet they oppose it. Jeff Saxs is like the most a wonderful man, the most art Jewish, the most articulate kind of critic
of the state of Israel that I'm aware of. So like I don't know that's that's just meaningful. you you can't if it's if everything is inherited then there's no hope for the continuation of
America. Does that do you see that? Yeah. I don't and I don't think it's genetically inherited and
and what you're saying about putting aside the tribal interest for the corporate interest that's absolutely the case and that's the only way the country is going to stay together. Exactly. That's
my concern and I absolutely agree with you. I would say though that the main challenge to that,
a big challenge to that is organized jewelry in America. I don't think Bill Aman is capable
of that. I don't think Shel Naden is capable of that. I don't think Yor Mazonei is capable of that for that matter. And and many other, you know, on the right and the left. And I see it I
see Jewishness as the common denominator. And and you're right, it's not not all Jewish people feel
the same way. No one would say that, but that does seem to be the common denominator. And I just feel
like it needs to be called out explicitly. And I like what you said. If the other day, if you're serving in another country's military or have dual citizenship, you you really can't be
a part of this project. Well, that's just that's an easy one. But I am much more comfortable as a
Christian and an American keeping it on that level because, you know, it's easy to just set rules
that universal rules that apply to everyone, not just the Jews or the Christians or the anybody.
Just like Americans can only serve in the US military or they lose their passport. I mean, I don't know. That's not hard. And I don't know. Why not? Why not just say that? Say what? That why
not make every statement about how Americans ought to behave applicable to all Americans? It's like
it's the defense of universal values that will hold the country together and the emphasis on procular group values that will break it apart inevitably because it's a this is a particular
issue and it's acute like I said I think they are unique in that way. I think that's a unique issue
especially in the Republican party especially in the conservative scene. Um and you know this
so how would you like this all to be resolved? What I would like is for the US government to
not be influenced by these kinds of foreign allegiances. Not with money that comes from,
you know, American citizens like Sheldon Aden, not from foreign lobbyists. So, I mean, in terms of tangible things, I don't think we disagree on any of it. Like registering Apac and FAR,
banning dual citizenship, like I'm basically in agree 80% of the public agrees with those. So,
that's kind of what gets me a little bit annoyed. It's like these are like America first the concept
it's the most popular self-evidently true idea you could have like don't let foreign
powers especially tiny ones far away control your country like of course not everyone agrees with
that on both sides. Yeah. So the trick is not to let that idea get subverted. Does that make
sense? Yeah. And I'm I think we agree on that. But it's subverted when they're like that's hate. No,
that's hate. It's not hate. Yeah. Well, and you know, here's what I will say. I think that there
is increasingly a contingent because what you're talking about exists when you say that there are people that legitimately detract from this with there is legitimate racial hatred out there big
time and it's growing and people on our side are afraid to talk about it because they know,
like you said, they're going to get called a cuck or a squish or whatever. And I agree with you.
The people that are detracting from that need to be called out. And uh I think there should be no harbor for cruelty, hatred, prejudice, those kinds of things. And some of them, I'm sorry
to be a conspiracy nut. I really try not to be a conspiracy because it's embarrassing, you know,
but after January 6th and just finding out the number of FBI personnel in the crowd, it's like,
and I've just seen this, David Duke is a great example. Some of these are the Charlottesville
rally. Mhm. Yeah. had a bunch of feds there being like, "We're white supremacists. We hate the
blacks." You know, using the nword, whatever. You know, it's like that's not real. Like, there is some of that going on, don't you think? I think that um I think that there's a lot of sincere
people. For sure. I completely agree. You know, and they're just numb skulls and some of them are
legitimately they see the opening that there's legitimate critique of this and they see an opening to air out their grievances. Um they get a license to they think it's okay. now. And uh and I
do think it's important to differentiate and say that fundamentally I guess the word that I would use I've been thinking about this a lot lately is reassurance because I think there's a legitimate
um there is a legitimate need to reassure people and this is kind of what I've been doing on these
podcasts that we don't want to harm anybody. We don't want to kill anybody. We don't want to harm
anybody. We just want to put America first. And and I guess, you know, to the extent that I've been taken out of context over the years or things like that, I'm trying to set the record
straight and say, you know, and I appreciate you've given me this opportunity. These are my real views. I'm not one of those haters, let's say. Yeah. Well, I think people should be allowed
to describe what they think. Mhm. I mean, that's like a basic human autonomy question. Yeah. Like, if I want you think, I should just ask you and let you talk. Mhm. Right. Yeah. So, what's going
Fuentes’s Dinner with Ye and Donald Trump
to who's going to be president? Who should be president next? Who should be president? Well, yay. Of course, Kanye. You had dinner with Trump. I did. And Kanye. Yes. What did you think of
that? It was surreal. Um because those are my two heroes. Those are my two like number one heroes of
all time. I've always been a Kanye West fan. You like the music first? Yes. The music, the fashion,
everything. Really? Yes. Do you wear those weird one piece shoes? I do. You actually do? Oh,
yeah. Absolutely. Like in public? Yes. You don't think that's cool? No, I do. I I don't know what
I think. I'll get you some. I've worn the same clothes since high school. Don't ask me about clothes. I'm not good at that at all. Um that's hilarious. So, but you So, you've always been
a fanuge fan. You described your love for Trump, like since your Yes. childhood love for Trump.

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what was it like to find yourself at dinner with them? It was I mean it was funny because it was literally Thanksgiving dinner. It was 3 days before Thanksgiving. So, not only was it dinner,
but it's I'm having Thanksgiving dinner with Yay and Trump at the same table. And these are like
my heroes. And um I mean the way that it went was sort of interesting. Yay is sort of shy. He
deeply admires Trump. He loves Trump. And I like that about him because Yay really admires anybody
that's an industrialist. He loves builders, visionaries, architects. He's very into that. So,
he has a deep regard for Trump. And so, at the beginning, it was a little awkward cuz he wouldn't talk. And um he was sort of shy. Yay. Yes. Which is surprising, right? Because he's so outspoken.
But Trump was trying to get him to talk and he was it was it was kind of like a boomer moment
because Trump was trying to get him to talk about like opportunity zones. He was giving him like the black voter pitch, you know, the black Republican. Yeah. Um and I was like, dude, like he's not that
kind of Republican to say the least, you know. Fair. At this point, I think people know. So,
what were you saying? Well, um so eventually, you know, Trump didn't have a lot of luck with
him. So, he's kind of fielding the table and he's talking to me. And Trump does like other people to
talk. Yes. Well, he likes to talk to. He for sure. But he asks questions. Yeah, he does more than
you would think. Well, he's a great he's a good guy fundamentally. Yeah, he's very warm guy. So,
he was asking everybody, you know, what's up and who are you and we got to talking and, you know,
I I guess it was going too well because I was being very complimentary of Trump and Yay was kind
of kicking me and saying like, you know, a couple days prior we were talking about if Trump and Yay wind up on the debate stage, what is that going to look like? And I was coaching Yay like these
are his weak areas. Like this is where we got to attack Trump. And so Yay was like, "Tell him what
you were saying the other day. Tell him what you were saying last night." And I was like, "Dude, that's our playbook. Like we don't want to blow up our uh" And Trump was like, "Go ahead. Don't
be bashful. Tell tell me what is it." And I said, "You know what?" I said I said, "I think you're
one of the greatest living Americans." I said, "I I'm a young guy." I said, "I really have nothing to say other than thank you. I have nothing but gratitude for what you've done for the country.
I said, I it's really not my place, you know, to to give you advice or correct you. And he said, no, no, don't be bashful. Tell me. And the story that I brought up was this was really what sent
me in the first Fox News debate in 2015 in the Republican primary. Yes. Brett Bearer, the first
question said, "Raise your hand if you will not pledge to support the eventual nominee." Yes. and
Trump raised his hand because that's what he was saying. He said, uh, you know, if I don't win, I'll run independent and I'll make Republicans lose. And so I brought that up and I told that
story and I said, you know, I said, I feel like what was inspiring in 16 is that you were willing
to let the Republican establishment lose. like you were serious about blowing them up such that
you were not going to say like Pat Buchanan who I respect but Sam Francis acknowledged that was one
of his great mistakes was ultimately endorsing Bush. I said you it showed you were serious.
You were playing to win because you said I will let this Republican party crash and burn. I want
to run as the Republican but if I can't I'll run independent. I said, ' And that's how I knew you were serious. And that's how I knew you were the guy. I said, ' And I feel like lately, this is
right after Ronald McDaniel became the head of the RNC again. I was like, I feel like lately you're
just behind all these people. I said, we're not here for Kevin McCarthy. We're not here for Ronald McDaniel or Mitch McConnell. I said, we are here for you. Like, we will die for you. We are loyal
to you. I said, and when you did that, that showed you could win. And we rallied. I said, so I I want
to see more like that. I want to see you hit Dantis, let's say, who was running against him.
Um, and he was like, "Oh, okay." He goes, "Oh, so you like that." It was right after he called him Danimmonious. I said, "That was awesome. You should have kept hitting him." He's like, "Oh,
you like that?" He goes, "This guy's hardcore. I like this guy." He was saying about me. And so I
was trying to just get like get his mojo back, you know, and, you know, gas him up a little bit. And
um, so that that's how it went between me and him. And what was Yay saying at this point? Well, uh,
he he was sort of he was beaming with pride cuz Trump turns to him and says, "Who is this guy?
This guy's great." And he was like, "Right." And I was like, "This is just this is amazing." Do you call your parents from the parking lot? Oh, yeah. You'll never believe. Yeah. Um,
I try never to think like how will this be perceived? It's better just to like be as honest as you can be all the time. And you know, and honest people will respond, agree or disagree,
but they'll they'll they'll feel your sincerity and your honesty, but there are always people who are going to like distort it. And I recounted the basically the Christian gospel at Charlie
Kirk's memorial service and everyone's like, "You're an anti-semite." I literally didn't have one thought about Jewish people. I had nothing to do with that. It was whatever. So,
and but I was thinking about this conversation, which I'm sure I don't can't imagine what that in the ways that it'll be distorted, but I I do hope that people who want to learn what's happening and
who you are will watch the whole thing. It's probably naive hope that it won't be reduced to whatever you're saying something naughty and me laughing and see they're both Nazis. I mean,
you know, that's going to happen, of course, but I'm willing to take that risk because I just think it's important to know you're clearly ascendant. You're enormously talented. you're more
talented than I am for sure as a talker. So, and they've, you know, there've been a lot of attempts
to silence you and it hasn't worked. So, my calculation always be as blunt as I can be. It's like I don't want to have Fuentes on. Everyone's going to be like, "You but you're a Nazi just like
Fuentes." Okay. But then I'm like, I don't think Fuentes is going away. Ben Shapiro tried to like
strangle him in the crib in college and now he's bigger than ever. So, it probably would just be
worth hearing what Nick Fuentes thinks. I just want to be transparent about my my motives here. Yeah. So, um those are my motives. Let me ask you, I referred earlier to the assassination attempt
The Assassination Attempt on Fuentes
against you and it's very fashionable, you know, among like the permanent victim class like every,
you know, BLM leader was, "Oh, they're trying to kill me or Seth whatever from the Babylon
B people are trying to kill me." And people use threats against them, which are like daily for a
lot of us, um, as a way to kind of make themselves unassalable or immune from criticism. Or to attack
their enemies. Your words inspired violence. What is stochastic terror? I can't even pronounce it.
You know, it's like some academic term, whatever. But you had a real assassination attempt, like an
actual one. Can which got no publicity that I recall.
What happened? Yeah. Well, you know,
it was it was after the election last year. Um, I put out this tweet and I said, uh, "Your body,
my choice on election night." And, uh, you know, I wasn't, look, I'm not going to apologize for it,
but I thought it was like a weak. It's like a lame joke. It's kind of like the most obvious phrase. A college joke. Yeah. Kind of funny. Yeah. So, I wasn't I had other good jokes that night,
but that was like the one that caught on cuz um I just think it captured the imagination of liberals who were like it's over for us, you know, which it kind of is, you know, but in some ways,
but so I I put that out there. I didn't even vote for Trump. Um but I put that tweet out for
I didn't vote at all. I just recused myself. Um but that that's just what makes it ironic
because I became in some ways emblematic of the election even though I didn't participate. But
so it got 100 million impressions on Twitter and and people were saying on the news that kids were
saying it in school. It was on like the news that in middle schools and high schools the boys were
saying that to the girls, your body, my choice. So it became this thing where it's like he's creating
this toxic environment for women. So the internet lost its mind and people then started posting my
address online because they were so unhappy with the tweet. And so on Tik Tok and on Twitter, a
screenshot of my address, my phone number, all my personal information, it went viral. And and when
I say viral, I mean there were multiple tweets that got 20 million views with my whole readout,
all my information. Like your actual address, where you spend the night. Yes. where I where I live, where I do my show, all of it. Damn. Did you know that? Yeah. I started to see it. So, the
election Tuesday, obviously, it was like Thursday that my address starts blowing up. I was going to
do a show Friday and someone shows up to my house. Some some weird looking guy shows up to my house
and just walks through the yard, walks through the gang way into the backyard and is just circling my
house and then goes away. So, we called the cops, me and my producer, and we said, "Uh, maybe we
shouldn't do a show tonight." And that weekend, we hired private security just for the weekend.
Like 200 people. You didn't have security? No. No, I don't have security. Well, I didn't then
of any kind of I didn't have cameras or anything even. I had nothing. Okay. I was raw dogging it.
Yeah. Which is what was was not smart, maybe. But never had a problem like that. I've always lived
that way, too. Yeah. But so that weekend we hired a security guard just to park his car outside the
house and monitor things. Literally 200 people came to your house. Yes. Not all at once but one
after the other driving by yelling, walking by throwing eggs. Multiple people threw eggs at my
house. Ordering pizzas, ordering Door Dash, what you know, whatever. Walking through the gang way.
It was like a war zone. like the security guard was yelling at people all night and it went on all
weekend and then it went on throughout the next week and the next weekend. Um, and it was bad.
I I got out of my house. I went to a hotel for a week while this was happening. Waited for it to
blow over. Did you do your show from the hotel? No, I took a week off. Wow. Did you announce any of this in public? No, I had to keep it very Why? I didn't want to track more of it. Yeah. You know,
cuz if you say, "Oh, they're here." Then people go, "Oh, no. we got to keep up the pressure,
you know, or turn it up. And people at that time were talking about burning my house down. Like on TikTok, there were viral videos of people saying, "We're going to burn his house down." Uh,
and then they dox my parents address. People show up to my parents house. It got really bad and
eventually it just blew over about a month passed and at that time, so it was like mid December,
mid late December. It's actually funny. It was December 18th. I remember cuz that's an important date to me and it's Joseph Stalin's birthday. Oh, I'm a fan. You're a fan of Stalin? Mhm. Oh,
he's an admirer. But yeah, we don't need to go into that. I guess like Well, let's uh Okay,
let's get back. We'll circle back to that. It was weird because the reason I mentioned that, it was almost like cuz I woke up that day and I was like, "Oh, it's December 18th." And I I was
just like very acutely aware of like today's like a strange day. This is the day that the attempt happened. And so nothing had been happening for weeks at this point. So elections like what,
November 3rd. Month and a half has passed. Nobody's coming to my house anymore rarely. And
I'm doing my show like normal. And I'm reaching the end of the show and I see out of the corner
of my eye, I get an alert from my Ring doorbell camera that somebody's at the front door. And
so I'm reading through my super chats. I'm going through live chat messages. Yeah. I'm live and um
you know I'm working through the messages and I'm I'm keeping an eye on it and I see that this guy has a loaded gun. The guy's trying to laugh. Yeah. Well, so you're live live and you see that there's
a guy with a gun outside your door. Yes. He's got a motorcycle helmet and a backpack. He's got a gun
drawn and he's knocking on the door yelling. And I the thing is I didn't want to tip him off that
I knew he was there because I thought I don't want him to get the drop on me or something,
you know. I just didn't want to give him any information about, you know, cuz I don't know if he's listening to my show, if I start freaking out or cancel the show. I don't know, maybe he he
knows more about my movements inside. So I I keep the show going for like a minute and I wrap it up
very quickly. I finish the show. My producer comes running in and I say, "Who is that? What's going
on?" And he goes, "Oh, I called the cops. They're here. The guy's gone." I said, "Okay, good." Um,
so I start getting changed out of my suit and I hear gunshots go off outside. Damn. Yeah. And I
literally like jump to the ground cuz I'm like, I don't know what's happening here.
And I step outside for a minute after the the dust kind of settles and the c there's like 10 cop cars
all up and down the street and they have the whole block locked down. Police tape everywhere. There's like a dozen cops. Like I said, the whole block is shut down. The alley is shut down and they go,
"Get back inside. Get back inside." We have no idea what's going on. We have no idea what
happened. And they wouldn't let me or my producer leave until the morning. That's how late they were
there. And finally at the end of the at the end of the night after all the cops left, I came out
in the very early morning. Did no one come and explain any of this to you? No. No. Nobody said anything. Yeah. It's ridiculous. And finally, I go out in the morning and I asked the guy, "Okay,
what happened?" He told me the story. And so, it turns out that uh it's it's this young guy. He's
23 years old, white nerd, short guy. He was at U of I University of Illinois in Orurbana Champagne,
about two hours south of where I live. He killed three people earlier in the day. He went to his
roommate's house, college roommate's house, killed his roommate, killed the sister, the guy's mother,
got in his car, and drove directly to my house, parked outside my house, got out a .22 pistol
and an automatic crossbow. weird choice. And he knocked on the door, which is where I saw him. He
went around the house. He tried he tried the back door, tried the front door, and the cops pulled
up. He took off running through the gang way, hopped the fence, ran into the neighbor's house.
I guess he went into the neighbor's basement cuz the door was unlocked. He was hiding from the police. He shot two of their dogs, which is devastating. He runs back outside and the cops see
him. He shoots at the cops. The cops shot him in the face and he dies on the spot. Who what was his
motive? They never told me. To this day, I have no idea. There's no They never told you? No. So, what
contact did you have with the police after this? They came by about a week later. Illinois State
Police came to retrieve the uh ring camera footage of the whole incident. And so they had me download
download that onto a thumb drive and that's it. I never heard from the cops. Never heard from the government. Not at all. No, nothing. A guy comes to murder you. He's murdered three other
people and two dogs. He gets shot to death and no one bothers to tell you anything. Nope. Nothing.
Is it really a country at this point? I mean, it's ridiculous. And so what was his motive?
Do you have any idea? I have no idea. I so the story that I read online um cuz the obviously
the news followed up on this and they said that so he was like 5'5 uh he got I guess he was involved
with drugs actually with his roommate. They sold drugs together something like that. Uh they had
a falling out over the drug money or something like that. The roommate beat the [ __ ] out of
him so bad he dropped out of school. He had this major falling out with the roommate but they were
close. had a big falling out. The shooter took him to small claims court over some money. Uh, and I
guess this guy was just in a downward spiral. He lost his job. He got in a hit-and- run crash
and ran from the police. Then he was swearing at the cops when they showed up to arrest him. And
I guess his life just kept getting worse and worse and worse. I assume he took it out on the roommate
and uh, dropped off, killed the whole family. It's horrifying. But how do you fit into that? So,
this is just my opinion, speculation. This is like a month after Luigi Manion. He had on a and the
shooter at my house had on a motorcycle helmet and like a costume. And so, I think he was maybe like
a copycat of Luigi Manion. He thought he was going to be like a hero and assassinate some reviled
political figure who was going viral at that time, being hated for that tweet. So I think that might
have been the motive, but that's pure speculation. I have no idea. I mean, it's a well doumented fact that all kinds of bad actors use unstable people for political assassinations, right? It's
happened. We know it's happened. So, um, do you think this might be an example of that? I don't
think so, but it's certainly possible. The reason I say I don't think so. It's kind of funny. You're
I mean I think of you as conspiracy- minded, but you don't have a conspiracy in mind here. No,
because I I really believe that when you look at all these things, and by these things, I mean
these like really disturbing instances of violence like Luigi Manion or Charlie Kirk or these school
shootings, there is something going on with these kids. It's nihilism. It's these people that are
maybe mentally defective, extremely online. I think there's like a real problem there. And
um and I don't doubt that sometimes these people are involved with maybe a foreign government
or they're being groomed or put up to it by an operative. But I think to assume that it's always
that ignores that like there's a very real problem of nihilistic surrealist violence that comes from
young people. And you know like this guy killed it's a triple homicide out of nowhere and then he
tries to kill me. I think he just went crazy, but I could be wrong. Describe the circumstances that
Why Is Political Violence in America Rising?
have led to this violence. Like what how does a normal kid, young man go from being a normal
young man to being a murderer? I think that it has a lot to do if you read through all these stories,
they always have a few things in common, which is that, and people have pointed this out, this is not new. SSRIs are always a big one, of course. But what that points to is a depressive streak.
It's always somebody that is a loner, socially dislocated or socially dysfunctional. You know,
they don't have many real life friends, engage in real life activities, slip through the cracks.
That's always how it starts. Then they get into either they're medicated by a therapist with SSRIs
or they self-medicate, which is extremely common with alcohol, weed, which is extremely potent now,
and you could get THC from like a vape pen. So, it's very powerful, very accessible. Uh, you know,
when I was in high school, my stoner friends would have to like go on a walk to the park and roll a joint. Now, with the vape, you can hit that anywhere. I guess it's very discreet.
They also do psychedelics. I think that's a huge part of it. And how how is that a huge part of
it? I think that a lot of them get turned on. They'll do alcohol, marijuana, and then I think
they get into psychedelics like LSD or MDMA. And I think um those things induce psychosis. these
psychoactive drugs, whether it's marijuana by itself or it's LSD, I think they tend to induce
psychosis and exacerbate those like existing problems. And basically what happens I I would
say that that is maybe the next step. And then the other ingredient that's always there is although
they don't have a social life in the real world, they have a social life on the internet. Yes.
And so they're deeply involved in obscure internet forums, Discord, gaming communities. Increasingly,
chat GPT is inducing psychosis. People talk to chat GPT all day, all night. And you you basically
have between the three of these things, they kind of go into like a different world between the
psychoactive substances, the makebelieve reality of the internet, totally disconnected from the
real world. I I think they enter into like this delusional state. And I think that's where that
shooter in Minneapolis, I think that's what that was. I think if Tyler Robinson is found guilty,
there's been some interesting screenshots about him and his transgender boyfriend, it's the same story there. If that's true, and I would imagine it was not dissimilar with the guy that showed up
and tried to kill me. I think those are always the ingredients that produce that kind of violence.
Why Fuentes Hates Weed and Alcohol
It's interesting your uh audience as I imagine it. I I've never seen any of your numbers. I don't
even know how big your audience is. It seems big to me, but I think of them as young men. Mhm. Is
that's that's the bulk of your audience, right? Yes. Um and yet here you are criticizing weed
and video games and the internet and you work on the internet. You are a creation. I mean, you wouldn't exist without the internet. Of course, you didn't get a job at NBC News. So
what what kind of reaction do you get when you say when you criticize weed gaming and the internet to young men? A lot of them agree with it because they get it. It's their life. A lot of them that's
their life. Their life is and another thing we didn't even bring up is the porn thing which
is there also. This is their life. Weed, gaming, porn. And I think they know it's bad. I think they
know there's like some sense of guilt. And so it's interesting. I would say it's maybe an 8020 split
where 20% say, "Oh, you're against weed? Not cool, man. It's just a plant. What?" You know, they're
very defensive about it about these addictions. And I think 80% say, "I know I have a problem.
Like I I have a guilty conscience. I know it's bad. I know it's terrible." Why are you against weed? Because um I think that it's uh compromises the integrity of your mental faculties. I think
there's something deeply wrong with that when you um I'm against alcohol, too. I think it's wrong to
to numb pain. I think pain is a part of life. I think uh sobriety is like should be experienced.
And I think that weed is even worse because I think that one, it's very dangerous. There's
a lot of numbers now out of like California and Washington that people are going to the hospital for psychosis. People are going crazy because of it. It's also more subtle and therefore more
insidious. It's like you can't, you know, I Well, I've done it. If you have a, you know, 12-pack for breakfast, like everyone knows, but if you take a hit off the dab pen, like nobody knows. Mhm. So,
you can use it all the time. Yeah. And it makes you uh a loser. It makes you lazy. You know,
people that are people that are addicted to weed are not motivated, don't care about anything other
than weed. You know, there's sort of like an irony there where I used to hang out with a lot of stoners in high school. I never smoked weed, but all my friends did. And they were so chill
and relaxed and didn't care about anything. But if you criticized weed, they would freak out and get
extremely defensive. Yes, I've noticed. Right. If you insinuate that it's addictive, if you say it's
a problem, they get very like junky behavior. And uh so I've always hated. I think it's disgusting.
How Porn Is Destroying Men
What is porn exactly? Like describe how available is porn? What is it? I know what porn is,
but like you said it's a huge factor in the lives of young men and a bad factor. Why? Well,
this is another thing where it's it's reality distortion. That that's kind of the theme. Just
like psychedelics distort reality, just like a kind of internet society is uh a form of delusion,
so is porn in the sense that, you know, a lot of people maybe don't realize, and we talked about
this a little bit, people are getting turned on to porn when they're like 10 years old. And it's
when you are going through puberty, when you're developing your sexual faculties, how could you
stay away from that? Every kid has a phone. Every kid has an iPad. And every iPad and phone is, if
you, you know, if you know what it is, loaded up with porn. And it's infinite. And it's ubiquitous.
And it's, you can get every kind of it you want, whenever you want. It's in your pocket. And so,
something that is almost never talked about is that this is a generation that's totally sexually
dysfunctional, I think, because of pornography. And some people are able to cope with it.
Some people don't have a problem, but I think a lot of people and maybe even a small minority
have a serious problem with it. And the problem people sexually dysfunctional, I think that it's
impossible for a real woman to compete with the availability and the novelty of pornography.
a real woman. Uh, you know, like without getting graphic is she's only one person and
you know she's maybe she wants to do something sexual, maybe she doesn't. Porn is you could
have a hundred different women in one sitting doing anything that whatever whatever niche or
idiosyncratic thing a person might be into, it's there. And so I think that novelty combined with
that availability, it makes it so that you know when you think about courting a woman, juice isn't
worth the squeeze. And so there there's like also a problem of like erectile dysfunction. People
that that can't enjoy regular sex because it it does not compare to the intensity, the novelty,
and the availability of porn. It it's hyper stimulation. And so I think that's sabotaging
a lot of normal sexual relationships. It seems like it's making a lot of people gay, too. Yeah.
And trans. You think that's true? 100%. What is that? I think that uh the novelty is a huge part
of that. I think that if you are somebody that uses pornography multiple times per day, which
many people do, actually. Oh, absolutely. That's a lot of jerking off. It's a huge problem. Yeah.
And you know, if you're doing that multiple times a day, every day for years since you're a kid,
well, eventually you you get bored and you want to move on to something more extreme and you
you're kind of it's operates, I think, similar to like a drug. You you kind of have the same kind of resistance to it um that you would to a drug or a tolerance for it and you're always chasing
that initial feeling the first time you used it or the first time you saw a certain thing. And I think eventually you just chase more taboo, more transgressive. And I think maybe some people
are more prone to that than other people going in his really direction. How Charlie Sheen got AIDS
actually. Yeah. Yeah. Through just being jaded and looking for something more transgressive. That's
just a fact. And there's something too about what it does when you look at it. when you cuz people
don't realize that it is a fundamentally different experience being involved in intercourse versus
watching other people have intercourse and I think that actually does something to you. Tell me what
do you mean? I think that you know for example uh I think Steve Sailor has written about this
that there's multiple kinds of transsexuals and he says that one kind of transsexual is somebody
that likes the idea of seeing themselves as a woman. It's autogophilia. Yes. And I think that,
you know, one of the theories for that is you you watch a man having sex with a woman that isn't you so much you kind of achieve an identity with the woman in like a weird sick way. You almost
identify with the woman. And so there's weird things that happen when you're Yes. watching
that and having such strong emotional and sexual experiences with it. That's fascinating. I have
always been I've sensed for a long time having had a lot of young male employees mention porn as
a problem. I mean the big porn companies give visibility to foreign intel services on the
back end. So that means people know what you're looking at. There's likely video and audio of you
watching. So that you know that's like so so such a deal killer for me. Um, I'm not a huge expert
on the topic, but I have always sensed this was a huge deal, but I've always been too embarrassed to like do a show on it. Mhm. But it sounds like you're describing something that's everywhere that
affects everybody and that is Do you think it's related to the, you know, the huge decline in like
Toxic Feminism
actual sex and relationships and marriage, screwed up dating? All of this derives in part from porn,
do you think? I think it's a huge part of it. It's a huge factor. And it it's even on the other side too. It's become so dstigmatized for women to actually participate in porn. Only people
don't even recognize that only fans is a whole separate category. It's a new, it's an innovation
in the realm of pornography because you have what everyone considers what everyone knows as porn,
which is like videos of porn stars, like dedicated career sex workers having sex
uh in a relatively controlled environment or something like that. But then you get Only Fans, which is like Patreon for nudes or sex. And basically there's now a a very large subculture,
much larger than people want to admit, of women who the moment they turn 18, that is what they do
is they make an Only Fans account and they become an amateur porn star. And it is completely casual,
you know, because you you could say that maybe 10 years ago, even at the heyday of internet porn,
to be in porn, you got to be a porn star. Like that's your life and that's your career and that's who you are. and is very shameful. With only fans, it's like um it's like having a Tik Tok. It's like
here's my link tree, here's my Instagram account, here's my Facebook account, here's my YouTube,
and here's my Only Fans. Why would any of this be legal? I think that um well, there's like you
indicated, maybe there's an intelligence benefit to that. Yeah, maybe there's a political benefit
to that. I think that well why wouldn't you arrest the people who run something like that? They should be if you had a Christian government or how about just a government that cares about
its people? I mean is Iran a bigger threat or is only fans? I don't Iran's not turning my daughters to prostitution that I'm aware of. Right. Right. I mean that seems like one of the worst things that
could happen to any society. Oh absolutely. So how big is the support for that? Like if
a candidate were to come out and say we ought to arrest the guys who own MineGeek, which is the biggest I think it's the biggest porn supplier in the world, or the guys who run Only Fans. What
would the reaction be among I don't know people under 50? I think there would be broad support for
that. Really? I do actually. Yes. I hope someone will say that and I hope someone arrests them like
right away. Yeah, that was actually seizes their assets and puts them in prison. Well, seizes their their their bodies and puts them in jail. Yeah. I mean the owners of that people who
are I mean talk about human trafficking. Yeah. Oh yeah. I thought we were against human trafficking. Yeah. So you but you think that young people cuz you always think of young people as so liberal but
like no they wouldn't think that was crazy. No. I I think especially among young men they know it's
a problem. It's ruining their lives and they know it. So what are the other factors that prevent I'm
sorry I called you gay by the way but I'm always sh I think I'm just too old or something. I'm like why why is anyone married? You tell me. Why isn't Why aren't people married? Well, I mean, honestly,
it's the women. The women are extremely liberal. No one talks about that. They're increasingly they
do, especially after the last election. There's a 45 point difference between men and women. The
men are extremely conservative. Increasingly, the women are extremely liberal. What are they liberal? On what issues? Like what does that mean, liberal? Oh, on on they're very feminist.
Like actually extremely feminist. Yes. They don't believe that, do they? I think they do. Really?
Absolutely. Yes. How do you believe that? I think that gender roles are a construct that none of this is inbornne. Like you'd have to be an idiot to think that. They like the idea of it.
They they like the because of course I think all women naturally want strong men. Of obviously they
naturally want a Chad, you know? They want like a tall buff guy. Um, but they I think they like the
idea of none of them want to work either. None of them actually work. That's what I'm saying.
Of course, that's of course it's obviously true. It's always been work outside the home, right? They don't have enough work at home. You know, there's a lot to do. But no, I completely
agree. So that's why I question like they're feminists in what sense? Yes. And you know, they like these vague appeals to equality. We we want a chance to work and we want respect. And you know,
ultimately, I think the whole political system is just based around women never being accountable
for any of their choices. Ultimately, that seems to be what that's what abortion is. Yeah, of course. Cuz 99% of abortions are elective. So, they say it's an unplanned pregnancy. You had sex
out of wedlock with someone you didn't intend to have kids with. So, now we have to kill the kids in the womb. And you know, these no fault divorce laws. These women get married to guys. maybe they
never intend to stay with. And then when they're out, they're done. And they want child support and they want half the stuff. And I think a lot of men are looking at women and they're they're very
liberal. They're overweight. They have a a very high estimation of themselves. I think that people
call it hoflation. Yes. They're their sense of their own looks and sexual value is very inflated.
Um, and so a lot of people are looking at these like frumpy, obnoxious, loudmouth, liberal women
who are who are also very promiscuous and saying this is not actually appealing at all. And I don't
I don't want to start a family with a person. Yeah, it is. But if you believe in the patriarchy,
as I fervently do, cuz it's just reality, you know, we didn't choose the system. We were born
into a system that is part of nature. Can't get out of it. So if you believe that that's true, which it is, then you think that men should lead and if it's going to be better, men should make
it better because that's their job, right? So you don't want to give them a pass, do you? And be like, it's all the the girls suck. So I I don't even blame it on the women because I think
that it's it's the incentive structures. You know, women are allowed to do this by the legal system,
by kind of social norms. Technology is a big part of it. the attention that is available to women.
Women go on Instagram and they get attention from thousands of men. Um, so it's the incentives, but
I would say that because I hear this all the time. People say, "Well, the men need to step up and be better and lead the women." Easier said than done. I agree. I agree with that. They're at war with
the system and and not even just the system, but also society. Because let's say you find a one
of these so-called good girls who's Christian and traditional, but through osmosis, wherever you go,
she's going to be in society. She's going to be on TikTok. She's going to be on Instagram. She's
going to be talking to other women. And maybe she's one way you when you meet and get married,
but 10 years down the road, 15 years, 20 years down the road, people change. And I think that
women as kind of the ultimate conformists, the ultimate enforcers of like social norms. I think
eventually the pressure from society kind of gets to them and a lot of them will go into depends what kind of husbands they have. I mean, if there's real leadership at home, I don't know
a single happily married woman who's liberal. Not one. I know a lot of married women. I mean, I'm
56. All the women I know are married. And every happily married woman is non-liberal. I can't even
imagine. There's there's no category for happily married middle-aged liberal woman. There isn't
never been one, right? So, like maybe the job is to, you know, make a girl happy and like all this
nonsense ends. Yeah. I don't know. I think that that that could be a bottomless pit too because
the one critique I have of the men is and you're right about this. They enable this behavior. Well,
that's for sure. It's epidemic of simps who especially with Christians. I've noticed this.
This is why Andrew Tate has so much appeal and the Christians are kind of losing this conversation.
Andrew Tate's a Muslim polygamist who is very chauvinistic and and you could even argue as
someone who has ran an only fan site himself like is not an observer let's say of Christian sexual
morality. No. But men are going with him because he's putting women in their place. He's talking
about patriarchy and women's place in a society like that. Whereas Christian men, Catholics,
Protestants alike are both kind of tone policing the men and they they worship their wives. They
worship the women, put them on a pedestal, and they um you know, they they kind of get bossed
around. They get henpecked by the women. I think we're required to love our wives. Like that's I
mean, all over the New Testament, husbands, love your wives. Wives respect your husbands. That seems like a very natural balance to me. Yeah. And and I think that you have to love your wife as
your wife. Yeah. A lot of men as opposed to what? Your mom. Well, no. Like like your buddy? No. Cuz
I hear this all the time and I I hate this. Guys will say, "I I married my best friend."
And I think, you know, she's your wife. She's not your best friend. Because there's a difference.
What is the difference? I think that when you talk about your best friend, you're a peer. You're an
equal. And I think your best friendships are with other men. And I think that your wife ultimately
is subordinate to you. She's your helpmate. And ultimately as the man in the marriage and the
as the father, you have authority, the final say over the household, and she can give advice. It's
not to say, "I'm not an a freak where you say, "Shut up, woman." I mean, of course, you discuss
things with your wife and your wife gives input, but the authority rests with the man. Of course.
Of course. But there's God set up this kind of amazing system where men are physically stronger.
Mhm. So, like, of course, you could make your wife do whatever you wanted. You're bigger than she is, right? But he also instilled in men this desire to please your wife. Like, that's a very natural
thing. You want your wife to be happy. And the whole happy wife, happy life thing is is completely real. It's like you can't get away from it. It's not like all of these things. It's
not a choice. It's the biological reality that you live with that you were born with. Like you want your wife to be happy and if she's unhappy, you're unhappy to a much greater extent than vice
versa. Right. Yeah. I think men care about their wives being happy much more than wives care about their husbands being happy. I have noticed and that's compensation for their lack of physical
power. That's my view of it. And that's why it is this kind of perfect balance. But somebody needs
to be the final decision maker. I completely agree. And when you when you give up that when you abregate that, there's no respect, there's unhappiness, and there's infidelity. Right. Well,
that's the ingredient that's missing. I the way I would put it very succinctly is men right now
are the responsible party but have no authority. And that doesn't work. No, it doesn't. You know,
if you are held, if the buck stops with you and you're to blame and you're the responsible one,
then you also need to be able to have the final say and call the shots. And one without the other doesn't work. And I think that I think that's really smart and and absolutely right.
I do think I just noticed this that men who stay unmarried for too long become like kind
of fragile. There's something about the give and take. There's something about living with, in fact, I think it's the key to life, someone you don't fully understand, that broadens you, that
keeps you always thinking, that makes you wiser, more patient, more thoughtful, more self-aware,
uh, and more flexible. And those are all good qualities. And, and the and the absence of that,
like in homosexuality or like men who are single too long, they get very rigid. Have you ever noticed this? Like I like things the way I like them and they just get like, "No." Oh, yeah. Yeah.
I certainly get what you mean by that. Yeah. You don't want that. Yeah. I would say that when when
you say you don't fully understand women, to me, I feel like women are very simple in terms of Have
you ever lived with one? No, I haven't lived with them. But I mean, and don't get me wrong, maybe it's difficult, but I feel like they're pretty simple. We're all pretty simple. I mean that,
you know, no one's more simple than I am, but yeah, we're all pretty simple, but what I mean is like on a day-to-day level of experience, like you don't always understand what they're saying,
what the because it's never about what they say it's about, right? And men are just tend to be kind of doglike in their straightforwardness, you know? I'm hungry, I'm horny, whatever it is. I I
disagree. I feel like men are complicated. I feel like women are like, I'm hungry, I'm horny. I feel like men are very complicated. Really? How? Because men have different men are
masters of the universe. Women are the universe. You know, this is what Spendler says about them.
And so I think that men have like a deep connection to things like math and space and
they want to conquer the world, you know, things like this. And and women I feel like are actually very primal and instinctual. They want security. Yes. Yes. You know, they're of the terrestrial
never embarrassed by bodily functions. Men are so squeamish. Yes, women are not at all. They give
birth. No, that is absolutely true. But I mean, in the way that women present their concerns,
there's almost always something that's not being fully expressed. Like, I got mad at you last night
cuz I was pissed about something last year. That's not a male thing to do. You can't remember what happened last year. Right. Right. Right. Right. And so, but anyway, but whatever the point. Men
and women talk past each other constantly. They don't always know what the other one is saying.
And that frustration actually gives way to like great beauty over time. I would say I don't know.
I I I personally find women very frustrating when they are not expressing and I just view that as
any of it. I see the way I look at it is like when you look at your favorite TV shows, right,
The Sopranos, Breaking Bad, it's like the wife is the villain because it's like the main character,
if the wife could just get out of the way, would be running the show. And that's kind
of how I feel like Rand, I agree with her about this. She said that the wife's role is like hero
worship. The guy is the hero. The guy is supposed to be the entrepreneur, the conqueror, whatever.
And the woman is really supposed to support the man's goals and be in his world. And I've Man, that's the last thing successful men need is more power worship, more hero worship,
more you're so great. You get that at work. You don't want that at home. You become an unbearable
[ __ ] And then you fall prey to what destroys every successful man, which is hubris. Like you mistake yourself for God. You need someone who's not interested in what you do at all,
only interested in you. And that's how you become balanced and wise. M that's how you know your own
limits because the ass kissing is what kills you. It's not I mean you had someone come to murder you
at home. It you've been it doesn't seem to have affected you that much. And if I were married, dude, she would never let me hear the end of it. Well, that's probably true. But but that's not
that's not what destroys men. It's not adversity that destroys men. It's comfort and flattery that
destroys men. Right? That's what happened at King David. It's what happens to them all. They're so
great. You can never go wrong. I just feel like we do we have um I don't feel like we have an
abundance of affection from women. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like in terms of where the pendulum
is at, I feel like the women are very unloving to the men. That's why like they don't cook cuz
that's like the best way to express a love for a man. I said this on my show the other night. I'm like the most beautiful words a woman could say is like I made you dinner. I made you cookies. Yeah.
cuz that that is like an act of love. And I think that you know speaking as maybe from a different
generation the way that men feel now is like you know women are not really providing too much. They
expect so much from the men. They want to they want the man to be rich and provide. They want the
man to be fit and a real leader and a real man. They also want to split the chores with the man.
They want the man to do half the laundry and half the dishes and things like that. And it's like,
so what do you do all day? You're on TikTok. You're like doom scrolling and eating Cheetos. Like what what actually are you providing in the relationship? So I just feel like in terms of the
deficit, it's like women are very emboldened. They're they're too I think assertive, always
giving their opinions, always critiquing, always, you know, I I think that they're very bold right
now. And I think and sarcastic. I think that's a big reason why they're not very attractive. I get it. I All I would say is that in a happy marriage, all of that goes away. There's no arguing about
who does what. People fall seamlessly into the roles they were born into. They acknowledge those are not insecure about it at all. They express love in a whole bunch of different ways by serving
each other. It's like super easy and and all of that obnoxious entitled. You don't make enough
money. All that crap just disappears. Mhm. Anyway, that's been my experience. So, last question.
What Does America’s Future Look Like?
Where is all of this going in this country? Like, where are we in 5 years? Not anywhere
good. I'm I'm really concerned and I'm not one of these um doomsday sers. You know, there's a
lot of people there forever, but you know, the sky's falling every day, but I really feel like
um the things that concern me the most, it's the assassination of Charlie Kirk. seemed like we
crossed a Rubicon there. I agree with that because he's just a conservative guy, relatively moderate,
expressing his opinions. He's not the president. He's not a politician. And and it wasn't just that
he got shot. It was what happened afterward, which is that a 100,000 liberals went on TikTok and
celebrated. And that shows that there how can you integrate or or harmonize with people that hate
you that much? they see some, you know, and and I understand that liberals thought he was a jerk,
like maybe he was a little rude or something like that. And he really wasn't. I mean, he was pretty patient, as patient as they got. I just tried to fill in for him last week and immediately snapped
at some kid and threatened to beat him up and went crazy. And and I had said a prayer for patience, by the way, and I still couldn't handle it. So, no, Charlie Kirk was a remarkably even killed,
patient, decent man. Yes. And Yeah. So whatever their perception of him was to see him get his
his face blown up in front of everybody like that and your first the first reaction of someone in
the crowd who was present some guy with a beard jumps up and celebrates. Did you see this? No.
Some liberal kid in the audience jumps up and says, "All right." I literally can't handle it. I'm so upset by it. I haven't looked at anything. It's disgusting. And you I saw that and said,
"Yeah, like there's no putting the genie back in the lamp here." That was one. The other thing
I'm really worried about is what's happening at these ICE detention centers where it's happening
not far from where I live in Broadview, Illinois, where they set up an ICE detention facility. And
the administration is rounding these people up, which I support, but they're doing it in a very provocative way. They're broadcasting it. They're making hype edits on Twitter of
like these raids on apartment complexes, which I think are very cool, but it's somewhat provocative
and Antifa showing up in order to protect ICE. The administration's putting DHS. Well,
now they're protesting the DHS presence and and the administration of the governor of Illinois and
the mayor of Chicago are telling Chicago police, don't help ICE. And they're encouraging the
protesters. And what I see there is like a level of tension that just keeps increasing. Yes. And
there's leadership. There's civilian leadership on both sides. Like the governor and mayor who
are Democrats won't back down versus a Republican president. There's a security uh division too.
The police versus ICE, the police versus DHS. There's a constitutional question about the
federal supremacy, you know, and I see all the ingredients of like a low boil civil conflict,
full-blown civil war, and I'm not that guy, but I see all the ingredients there for that to happen.
So, I'm I'm deeply concerned about where that will go. How how would you handle it if you were in charge? If you're the president, what do you do about that? I think maybe this is controversial
but they have to crush the other side. They have to because you can do one of two things. You
can not challenge the left and let them do their thing. Or you can utterly confront them and defeat
them and and remove hope from the equation. If you resist, you will be arrested. Like we're just this
is an insurrection. There's 10 million people here illegally. We're getting them out. You're rioting. You're going to jail, too. like it has to be crushed. But if you do anything less than that,
if you do in the middle, all you're doing is antagonizing and feeding the other side. And
if they think there's a chance they can win, they will get bolder and stronger and they'll start to
rally. And that's when it's sort of like people think it's close or like it's contentious. That's
when it breathes. That's when oxygen is fed to this kind of fire. So if I were Trump, I would
say screw 200 National Guard. Like arrest the mayor of Chicago, like arrest the governor. Shut
it down. Like make it clear like like Washington, you know, bring in the troops and say the federal
government is supreme. The immigration law is the law of the land. If you're not on board with that, you're going to jail. If you attack ICE or box them in with your car, you're going to jail
for a long time. Anything less than that, you might as well just not even bark up that tree at all. Nick Fuentes, thank you very much. Thank you. It's nice to meet you. Likewise.
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Jared Kushner, Peter Thiel and Larry Ellison are linked to plans In Gaza that will certainly make them even richer. Cenk Uygur and Ana Kasparian discuss on The Young Turks.



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[Candace Owens] It makes me sick that they think we're
this dumb. 85% of Gaza has been destroyed in this
pre-planned controlled demolition of
Gaza. Netanyahu is on camera explicitly
before October 7th saying we need to hit
them so hard that they can't come back.
Jared Kushner will financially benefit from whatever
they build in its place. Again, all of
this began before October 7th.

There is a concerted effort to make
Candace Owens look like she's absolutely
insane because of what she said in that
clip. "Oh, she's being conspiratorial."
"She doesn't know what she's talking
about." But it looks like Candace Owens
was on to something when she made those
statements. Because according to reports
in Israeli media, which is what I like
to read, Jared Kushner, Peter Teal, Elon
Musk, and Oracle's Larry Ellison are
planning to turn Gaza into a haven for
billionaires. In other words, ethnic
cleansing still on the table,
of course.
Yeah. So, I'm going to show you a
screenshot of the piece I'm talking
about. It had to be translated uh to
English. Okay. but it's from a website
uh an Israeli publication known as
Globes. Jared Kushner and Peter Teal are
also in Gaza could become a tax haven
that will bring about the normalization
agreement with Saudi Arabia. The huge
economic project of rebuilding Gaza
after the war is already attracting
interest from countries, billionaires,
and former leaders, from Trump's
son-in-law Jared Kushner, who aspires to
establish AI centers in the strip to
foreign investors looking for enabling
regulation. Um, experts predict the
development initiatives could serve as
leverage to promote normalization with
Saudi Arabia, also through Kushner's
involvement. But the road there is still
fraught with political and security
obstacles. Fascinating. Now look, if
that sounds crazy to you, I just want
everyone to believe people when they say
out loud what they intend to do. And
Jared Kushner is really no exception.
Take a look.
There are real fears on the part of
Arabs, and I'm sure you talked to a lot
of them, who think once Gazins leave
Gaza, Netanyahu is never going to let
them back in.
um maybe but I'm not sure there's much
left of Gaza at this point. So, you
know, if you think about even the
construct like, you know, Gaza, Gaza was
not really a historical precedent,
right? It was the result of of a war.
And so, my sense is is I would say how
do we deal with the terror threat that
is there so that it cannot be a threat
to Israel or to Egypt, right? I think
that both sides are spending a fortune
on military. I think neither side uh
really wants to have, you know, a
terrorist organization enclaved right
between them. I mean, Gaza is waterfront
property. It could be very valuable, but
I think from Israel's perspective, I
would do my best to move the people out
and then clean it up.
He said it out loud.
Yep.
He said it out loud, guys. So, look, I
have a lot of areas with of disagreement
with Candace Owens. There's no question.
But to make her out to be insane for
saying statements like that, I think is
crazy. The people accusing her of being
crazy are the real insane people because
it's all right here in front of us,
guys.
Yeah. Yeah. So, all right. Uh, let's
start with uh Jared Kushner. So, he
says, "Well, you know, the people are
saying conspiratorally the the guy's
trying to give him a layup that they're
going to move out the Palestinians. I
mean, that's ethnic cleansing
and not let them come back
and not let them come back." And Jared
Kushner's like,
"Yeah, maybe." In other words, yeah, of
course, that's our plan. And then he
goes on to confirm for he says Gaza
doesn't even exist as the, you know,
it's a historical context war blah blah
blah blah blah. Okay. And you know,
maybe we move the people out.
Yeah. That's called ethnic cleansing.
And you're saying it on tape and you're
saying, "I want to do it so I can make
more money." Is that a trope? Cuz I
didn't say it. You said it. So, okay.
So, your plan is to murder these people,
ethnically cleanse them, destroy all of
Gaza, so you could rebuild it as
waterfront property for you and for
Israel. Well, I don't know anything more
disgusting than that. Don't come at me
about denouncing Candace Owens until you
denounce Jared Kushner. Okay. Did
anybody denounce Jared Kushner? Did
anybody call him an anti-Muslim bigot, a
terrorist,
someone who wants to ethnically cleanse
2.2 million people? No. I'm not going to
denounce Tucker Carlson or Candace Owens
or anyone else who, by the way, treat
the Palestinians and Muslims and Arabs
these days in a shocking turn of events
as if they're human beings more so than
mainstream media does. way more.
Denounce all of mainstream media who
treats the Palestinians as dispensable
and not fully human.
100%.
I denounce all of you. I denounce every
cable news anchor. Now, are you going to
But you're going to pressure everyone?
Oh, no. No. Candace has made Israel
unhappy by singing up for Palestinians
who are being slaughtered at record
numbers. You guys have No, we don't have
to denounce her at all. Okay. I am very
happy about her support for the
Palestinians.
Agreed.
And they say, "Oh, no, but we're so much
more important."
I mean, yeah, the Palestinians are dead,
but we have been offended. That's so
much more. No, it's not. No. The lives
of the Palestinians are infinitely more
important than you being offended by
Candace
Owens. So, let me get to more details
about this uh reporting in again Israeli
media. The US media, I'm sure, could
report on this, but interestingly
enough, they uh failed. They don't. Huh.
What a weird coincidence.
The piece actually quotes specific
people and that's important because
you're putting a name onto these
statements which makes it a lot more
credible. So, Hadus Lorber, head of the
Israelus US project at the Institute for
National Security Studies and head of
the Institute for Responsible Artificial
Intelligence at HIT, sees the increasing
involvement of Kushner and former
British Prime Minister Tony Blair,
of course,
in rebuilding the Gaza Strip and shaping
the governmental and civilian reality
there after the war. as a good sign. The
Saudis and Emiratis are interested in
taking part in the Gaza Reconstruction
Plan, which beyond demilitarizing it and
entrusting it to a technocratic
government based on local forces with
Arab backing is supposed to become,
according to Blair and Kushner, a city
of taxfree startups with scattered
server farms for cloud processing and
artificial intelligence. and at its
center, a Tesla factory where cheap
local labor will work.
The plan is also receiving encouragement
from several billionaires such as Peter
Teal, who's the actual Antichrist, and
Larry Ellison, the other antichrist, who
are looking for new taxfree areas and
simple uh regulation, meaning no
regulation, with the latter also willing
to invest $350 million in the plan. I
mean, Peter Teal is giving lectures on
the Antichrist.
Look in the mirror,
Yeah. So, I want talk about Peter Teal
and Larry Listen, but first, and I mean,
you guys got that right. So, they're
like, "We're going to take it for Israel
and the billionaires in America. We're
going to surveil them with Palunteer and
Oracle, and as Larry Ellison pointed
out, we now have the equipment that
could track every person, and if they're
doing anything we don't like, that's it.
We lock them up or we kill them or
whatever it is." He didn't say kill him
or lock him up. He just said we have the
ability to track all of you and the
citizens will be, you know, well behaved
now. Okay. So, these monsters are going
over. They're going to wipe out
everyone. They already wiped out 93% of
the buildings. They're going to rebuild
it for Israel and for themselves. And
they're going to use the Palestinians as
cheap labor, basically as slaves.
They're the most disgusting people on
earth. Those two. Okay. So now Peter
Teal to Anna's point, we that's why
we're ironically saying the Antichrist
because what a ludicrous thing to say.
Well, Antichrist, what kind of nonsense
talk is that? Okay. And guess what? He
gave two options as the potential
antichrist. Peter Teal apparently
Christian, whatever the hell he is,
right? He's some sort of radical now in
in terms of religious fer. What a dumb
person. Like, oh, I found the answer.
It's in radical religion. Okay. Yeah,
you sound really smart. Anyways, he says
the two possibilities are Greta Tunberg.
Yeah, the Antichrist is going to come as
a tiny Swedish girl with no power.
That's likely. Okay. Or he named some
guy who is opposed to AI cuz he's
worried about all the things we're
worried about. Turns out the guy's
Jewish.
So, one of the two potential antichrists
is Jewish according to Peter Teal. Wait
a minute. Isn't that the biggest
anti-semitic trope of all time?
But sh he's working with us to enslave
the Palestinians and to monitor them and
to do all these things and he's going to
set up one of the things here. And by
the way, we're then going to bring that
technology to America and we're going to
surveil all of you so you're good boys
and girls and don't protest Israel or
the current government or any of the
corporations that have taken over and
are terrorizing us. So now let's go to
Larry Ellison. Mention of Tony Blair
there. We mentioned earlier in the show,
Larry Ellison uh gave $5 million to
Marco Rubio earlier in his career for a
super PAC. And that's just from one
email that we saw. God knows how much he
gave to him overall.
Can I just add a little more to that cuz
it's important.
When Marco Rubio was running for
president in 2015 in the Republican
primary, he submitted his speeches to
Larry Ellison and the Israeli ambassador
to the United States to prove that he
was adequately pro-Israel enough. After
Larry Ellison did the vetting, he hosted
a fundraiser for Marco Rubio
and gave him $5 million out of his money
for that super PAC, let alone a million
dollars that Rubio has taken publicly
from the Israeli lobby, let alone the
dark money, let alone everything. Okay,
so that's why and then in the middle of
that story, we did something about this
and then that became an internet meme.
And today, as the pro-Israel radicals
continue to uh uh terrorize us and stalk
us and do death threats, I say from now
on, when you talk about Larry Ellison,
do this. It's not about Jewish people.
It's not even about Israel, is just
about Larry Ellison. So Larry Ellison
then gave $35 million to who? Oh, Tony
Blair to Tony Blair's so-called charity
nonprofit. Okay. And so Tony Blair is
stinking rich now because of Larry
Ellison and he's the one who's going to
be in charge of this peace process. In
other words, they rigged it so that the
bad guys are in charge. They're going to
continue to brutalize the Palestinians.
They have a plan to just wipe them out,
bulldoze them, and take it over for
Israel and set up these centers where,
hey, you know what? We might allow some
of the Palestinians back in to be slave
labor for us. And then lastly on the
point that Anna started with, I I
figured out why the Israeli press is so
much better than American press because
in America they could just call you an
anti-semite and destroy your life. But
in Israel, everybody's Jewish. So that
that trick doesn't work. So the Israeli
press of course has tons of propaganda
in favor of Netanyahu, etc. But also
some great reporting like we found out
among the many many things we found out
from the Israeli press is that the IDF
thinks their civilian kill ratio is 83%
in Gaza. The worst of any group, any
terrorist group or any country in the
world. Right? So now what's amazing is
the American press has never reported
that or reported this or reported any of
the things that the Israeli press is
publicly reporting. But the American
press looks at and goes, "Uh, I don't
want my life ruined."
That's exactly right.
So, I'm not going to, even though it's
true and super relevant, I'm not going
to say it. Instead, I'm going to write
an article that's basically Israeli
propaganda cuz I don't want to be fired
and I don't want my life ruined by these
pro-Israel radicals.
And also, look, reporting this kind of
stuff in American media might actually
sour Americans against Israel. in Israel
reporting this kind of stuff is just
it's Tuesday like this is what we're
planning on doing and uh aren't you
happy that the terrorist enclave will no
longer exist essentially like I mean
this piece did not call all Palestinians
terrorists but isn't that what Jared
Kushner did in his statement there a
terrorist enclave
he's a terrorist
I mean 100% so a few a few more details
because it's this story is so important
guys because you're going to hear all
sorts of lies about like oh yeah they're
working around the clock for a peace
deal No, they're not. Okay. In fact,
here's more uh from our friend Hadus
Lorber who says that Israel's full Okay.
So, Israel's full normalization with
Saudi Arabia is still subject to
political constraints and Palestinian
demands. Lorber argues. Therefore, pay
attention to this statement. This is
important. Therefore, the solution now
is a graduated model postponing an
immediate decision on issues such as the
two-state solution.
According to the plan, Israel may or may
not recognize the Palestinian people's
aspiration for self-determination in the
future after certain conditions are met.
But the bottom line, in the Trump era,
normalization with Israel is seen as
part of a model in which the American
administration controls the Middle East
through uh the leverage of local
capital.
And one other thing I want to note, now
that all of the living hostages have
been returned and the remains of some of
the hostages or at least the hostages
they can find have been returned, um
there are a lot of overt statements
about how no that they want to they want
to continue the genocide. So, here's a
video of Bosel Smootrich um basically
making clear that the Israelis are in on
all of this, meaning the uh real estate
bonanza.
Let's watch that and then I'll give you
the statements in English uh for our
audio audience.
[Music]
Trump.
[Music]
He said, "We have paid a lot of money
for this war." No, you haven't. American
citizens have.
Yeah, you didn't pay anything.
We went into debt for for this. We have
paid a lot of money for this war. We
have to see how we are dividing up the
land in percentages. The demolition, the
first stage in the city's renewal, we
have already done. Now we need to build.
There is a business plan put together by
the most professional people here that
is on President Trump's desk. They say
it out loud and when they say what they
intend to do, when they show you who
they are, just believe them.
I mean, he couldn't have been any
clearer there. He said, "We're going to
make money off of it. There's a business
plan. We're going to split up Gaza.
we're going to have certain percentages
and and that's why we're destroying
everything in Gaza. But American media
is like, "Oh, no. It's just a
coincidence that they happen to destroy
93% of the buildings in Gaza. It's just
a coincidence that they have cranes and
bulldozers and steamrollers right now
destroying uh the parts of Gaza that
they control. And they already destroyed
the parts they don't control. They
already have 53% of Gaza. They already
stole half of Gaza." But American media
says, "No, not only are you not allowed
to report facts, if you report facts,
we'll try to ruin your life." Right? So
tell me you're not Israeli propaganda. I
mean, you saw it on tape. You heard him
say it.
Nope. NBC won't cover it. CBS, ABC, CNN,
Fox News, New York Times, Washington
Post. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. lie
after lie after lie to do Israeli
propaganda and not tell you the real
reason. Which if you all you got to do
is go to the Israeli press and you'll
see they're on tape all over the place
going, "Yeah, we're gonna ethnically
cleanse them. We're going to steal that
land and we're going to make it ours and
we're going to make a lot of money off
of it.
Don't tell me it's a trope." He said it.
He said it. That's a terrorist. And I
hope one day that he fa faces a
Nuremberg type of trial. him, Ben Gavir,
Netanyahu at a minimum, but almost that
entire cabinet.
Yep.

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Part 1 of 5

Battle for the Soul of America- The Israel first meltdown over American sovereignty
Ian Carroll
Streamed live on Nov 7, 2025

Free speech Friday, you know what it is.



Transcript

American conspiracy theories are dangerous. Information is the oxygen of a democracy
with Republicans, with progressives, with libertarians because this is not about right and left. This is about
right and wrong.
is at stake.
What's up, world? How are you guys doing? Welcome to the party. Welcome to
Free Speech Friday. Let's give ourselves a minute to make sure that we're all rolling good and
that everything's looking good, that you guys can hear me.
If you're coming in from Candace, welcome from Kansas. If you're coming in from anywhere else
on the worldwide web, welcome. Welcome.
We've got a hell of a show for you tonight. Um,
our great nation feels like it's a little bit under attacks.
And I mean, who could possibly imagine who? And I each week I keep thinking, maybe
someday I won't have to talk about this little foreign nation the size of New Jersey over in the desert halfway around
the world. But today is not that day. So
what's our run of the show for today? First things first,
we got to give a huge shout out, a round of applause,
a congratulations to our girl Candace for achieving number
one in the world. We all knew it. The world's finally catching up. Candace
Owens is number one. Obviously. Obviously.
That's not news to anyone in here. It's not news to me, but someone had to let
the world know that it's time to party.
And if you ain't paying attention to Candace Owens, I don't know what you're doing
these days. So, huge congratulations to Candace. And a huge congratulations to her whole team
behind the scenes. They're all awesome people. Um, they're good friends. They work super hard. Um, they're hilarious
and they're smart and they're killing it. Um, so big congratulations to all of them. If you're just coming over from Candace, she had a great show tonight.
It was hilarious and she actually broke uh broke into some stuff that I wasn't
really that aware of um before that we might review a little bit tonight. Namely, the fact that Ben Shapiro and
Charlie Kirk weren't really friendly. Um, call that news to me. Um, but I
guess I just wasn't paying attention to who Ben Shapiro was friends with because I guess I just didn't really I just
assumed they were all friends. But you live and you learn.
So, we've got a pretty long show tonight. We're going to cruise for quite some time. Um, if you're putting in
super chats, we're keeping track of them and we're going to try to get to we will get to all the super chats, but we're
going to do it all at the end of the show. Um, so that way we can have one whole show, one big show, and uh, then
we'll give about an hour to super chats. We probably won't get to every super chat. Um, so rewind what I just said. We
won't get to every super chat. I remember how that went the first time we tried that and we were here for like three hours reading super chats, but
that's the thing with super chats. If you're watching on Twitch, appreciate you. Appreciate your subs. Um,
appreciate your support. And I think that's all of our announcements.
I think we're pretty much ready to get right into it.
We will be talking a little bit about Erica Kirk and her interview. We'll be talking a whole lot about Israel and
their foreign influence campaign in America. And we've been talking a fair bit about Ben Shapiro and what he
represents in American media in Israeli intentions
and in the current political climate today. Um, if you're new here, welcome.
This is Free Speech Friday and I am just a dude that is not an expert at anything. Um, I'm just trying to learn
what's going on. And that's what I've been doing all along, doing research and trying to share my research with you. And so, the way we do this is I share my
sources and I show you what I'm looking at. Um, so that you can make your own opinion, make up your own mind. Um,
because ultimately the point is for us all to be free thinkers with free information, having discussions, having
free speech, and coming to conclusions and consensus together in the market of
ideas. Um, tonight is not going to be a super heavy
research show. Tonight is going to be a lot more about what's going on in our culture, in our political climate, and
what the propaganda is doing. We're going to do a whole bunch of dissecting the propaganda and [ __ ] all over
that. Um, I am so sick of the propaganda. But apparently that's our
job now because this is warfare. This is information warfare. And
you can run from it or you can face it. And that's kind of just the way it goes.
So to get us all warmed up, to get us warmed up for the night, are
you buckled up? Are you buckled up? Are you in the chat? Do you have your drinks? Do you have your popcorn?
You took your wee wee? You're good to go. Bladders are empty because we're about to get rolling.
Yeah. Welcome. I can see you guys chatting. ripped to Joe. Oh, Joe Rogan's still doing just fine. I am sure that Joe Rogan is very happy to not be the
center of the scandal, at least for now. But let's get started with our boy
Brandon Tatum. Officer Tatum, one of the smartest, most intellectual human beings
on the internet today. and let's watch an amazing takedown of
one of these most basic of talking points that's going to get us warmed up into,
shall we say, discussion of our greatest ally. So for somebody to be kind of
acting like Israel is just this sophisticated little group of people and they come out manipulating big bad America, that's cra
that's insane. We went to war for 20 years after 911. 20 plus years. Did we
Where is the weapons of mass destruction? And who do you think planted it in the ear of the United States government that they should get involved in the Middle East and Iraq
because they have weapons of mass destruction? There is no question whatsoever that
Saddam is seeking and is working and is advancing towards the development of
nuclear weapons. No question whatsoever. Yeah, that would be your boys over there. So with that established, you
mentioned that we were in 20 plus years in the global war on terror in the Middle East, right? I was there. I know most of my friends on here were there.
You know who wasn't there? you [ __ ] Talmud Tatumat nor any of your boys from [ __ ] Israel, our greatest ally. Never
once did we get a Kazak, not a call for fire, not a single IDF soldier, no [ __ ] no QRFs, no resupplies, no
bullets, beans, bandages, nothing from Israel for 20 plus years fighting wars in the Middle East that benefit them.
You know who was there shedding blood with us, fighting next to us, down there [ __ ] putting in work? The British, the Danish, the Polish, the Australians.
I can go on and on all the way to even Muslim countries. I know you hate to hear that, but Muslim countries like United Arab Emirates were there fighting
with us, shedding [ __ ] blood. You know where we got medevaced? We didn't get medevaced to [ __ ] Tel Aviv, which is right around the corner. We got
medevaced to launch, Germany. So, please tell me how Israel is our greatest ally and how they do anything for us.
Yeah. Um, shout out to Ricky HD. Um, big shout out to Ricky HD. If you're not
familiar with Ricky HD, um, find him on Instagram. He's got some great videos and we'll be revisiting him at the end
of the night. But I learned something
that I cannot believe that I did not know. I went on this awesome live stream
with the boys uh just last night um put together by Jesse on fire top left of
the screen there. And our boy Nate who hosts the channel Valhalla VFT. He's
actually live streaming tonight and he said that he was going to send his people over here when they're all done. Nate has been crushing the investigation
into Charlie Kirk. Um, he's got a lot of great takes and he dropped some absolute
like I don't even want to call it fire knowledge because it's so basic and I don't know how every American does not
already know this. You know how they say that Israel is
America's greatest ally? Well,
allow us all to be enlightened. I see. Um DC says, "Uh, do we agree that
Israel is not our friend and never have I think we probably answered." Hold on. Hold on. I'm still I'm still
blown away, guys. And I see this all the time. I just watched Brandon Tatum talk about Israel is our greatest ally. I I
just keep getting confused because like the word ally means something. It means you have an actual formal contracted
alliance with another foreign government. And what we have never had ever, the United States has never had a
formal contracted alliance with the state or government of Israel. Is that is that true?
You guys don't know this? No, dude. I don't They are not our ally. And when I when I I say this all the time, Israel is not
our ally because not because it's my opinion, because it's objectively true.
Which is also why look at my face. This is also why when we went and fought the global war on terror in Iraq and
Afghanistan and Germany and Canada and Australia and [ __ ] you could go down
the list. Romania, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, the Kurds, everyone came and fought. The
one don't even have a state. The one country that didn't Czechoslovakians, right? Like everyone
was there. You know, the one country that wasn't there because they weren't our ally. They weren't in NATO. They had no responsibility to come and assist the
20-year global war on terror because they're not our ally. So, yes, guys, for everybody in the chat and everybody
who's watching this, the United States is not allied with the with with Israel. We are not allies.
You're talking 2001. This is what right what what
so naturally while we were streaming after he tells me this and I'm like, forgive my ignorance. Forgive me for
trying to learn some things, but what do you do when you get told something that you didn't know? You look it up. Is
there a formal Oh, right there. There's my lookup. Is there a formal alliance between Israel and the US? The United
States and Israel do not have a formal mutual defense treaty, which means there is no legally binding agreement that
obligates either country to defend the other militarily.
What? Well, that explains a lot. Or at least
it explains half of a lot because we sure seem to act like we've
got one of those. We sure seem to act like that's what's
going on. They sure seem to pretend and never mention the fact that we are
in no way obligated to defend this nation. We are in no way obligated to protect them from their own mistakes. No
obligation to send them bombs. No obligation to send them money. No obligation to do any of this.
And yet we've got our military just running all over the desert for them for decades,
right? And I know the classic Zionist argument is that clip you played of BB. He wasn't
even the prime minister. Then Israel actually lobbied that we shouldn't do it. They said it was a bad Listen, if
you haven't heard of the clean break report, you should probably look into it.
a report specifically written by BB Netanyahu's cronies, commissioned by BB Netany and Yahoo by a bunch of American
cronies, American Jews like Richard Pearl, Douglas Fe,
and the Clean Break Report, a strategy for securing the realm, was this classic
document that was integral to the doctrine that got us over into the Middle East and had us fighting wars all
over the Middle East on behalf of Israel. And in this case, I'm not speaking so much about the war in
Afghanistan as much as the war in Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Libya, Somalia.
And it's been decades. And this doctrine has governed a huge amount of American
military policy quietly from behind the scenes from the minds of the neocons,
right? And you could go into the uh shall we say unreliable intelligence
about weapons of mass destruction that was fed to America by Israeli intelligence that was fed to Condisa
Rice and Coen Powell and all of these people in the Bush administration that eventually got us over there. You could
dig into the anthrax, the totally legitimate anthrax attacks that didn't trace back to a CIA lab that gave you
that extra little push in order to get Congress to vote for this stuff. But we
all know that we didn't do it for us. Certainly, a lot of us profited off of
it like Dick Cheney rest in whatever state Dick Cheney is resting in right now as he just passed
recently. But let's be clear about who who
initiated the concept over there, right? And if you're not, suppose you are of
the mindset that like I don't really have a dog in this fight. Why are we still always talking about Israel? It's not like really my business. Yeah, sure
there's like, you know, there's a conflict in Gaza, but like I don't really care that much. Um, you're you're
paying In just two years, the US has Sorry, let me let me pull this up for you.
spent more than $33 billion tied to Israel in the Gaza war. That's $45
million every single day. Split across Israel's $9.2 million people. That's
$4.85 per person per day. $144
each month. For a family of four, almost $600 a month. Most of it $21.7 billion
in direct military aid. missiles, jets, tanks, Iron Dome, another 10 to 12
billion for US operations, warships in the Red Sea, drone strikes in Yemen,
expanded bases. Much of it was even fast-tracked through emergency powers. Billions moved without
the usual long congressional process. Meanwhile, Americans juggle grocery bills, medical debt, and student loans,
while Washington ships billions overseas for war. Two years, $33 billion, 45
million every single day. Not for struggling families at home, but to fuel a war thousands of miles away. Your
money, their war. What do you think? Should this be America's priority? Share
your thoughts in the comments and follow Map Narratives for more stories the maps don't usually tell.
Shout out Map Narratives for the great infographic. Thank you.
So this is what Gaza looks like today.
We have just funded the annihilation of a people, the annihilation of an entire
population, an entire state, an ethnicity, one of the most historical lands in the world. These are precision
strikes, ladies and gentlemen. This is what the most moral army in the world looks like. And when I look at this
stuff, I'm no expert. I'm not some statistical expert. I'm not some historian. I'm not I don't know how to
judge this perfectly. There's a million different numbers out there. Everyone argues over the numbers. Everyone argues
over this and that. But ultimately, you're trying to tell me that this
is the result of precision strikes of the most moral army in the world,
right? Well, that's that's cool. I'm no military expert. Maybe this is precision
strikes, but let's just do a little bit of assessment of what we've done over there
and how much we've paid, who's benefited, and how much we have lost. Right? How many civilians have been
killed in Gaza since October 7th? There's a lot of different numbers floating around out there. According to
the Gaza Ministry of Health, as report reported by the United Nations, 67,000 people have been killed in Gaza,
just as of this year, October 3rd, 2025. Maybe you think that those are
propaganda numbers. Maybe those are Hamas propaganda. It's all Hamas propaganda. Cut it in half. Let's call
it 30,000. Okay? Of the 67,000 they're claiming,
at least, according to Air Wars, at least 5,000 were civilians.
just between October 7th and October 31st in the very first year. In the very
first month according to this or sorry anti-wars 5,000 civilians in the first month how
many ever since then
and now this source 83%. The Guardian reported
earlier this year that Israeli military's own data indicated that civilian death rate was 83% in the Gaza
war. Okay? And when it comes to these numbers, I don't really care if they're exact. I don't really care if they're
Hamas propaganda. Cut them in half. Suppose that it's not 60,000. Suppose it's only 30,000. Suppose it's not 83%.
Suppose it's only 50%. I don't care. That means that our nation
has just funded the murder of what 10,000 20,000 30,000 civilians.
Is 83% acceptable as a civilian casualty
casualty rate in a war? A war. a war where one side is the most advanced
military in the world, backed by the most advanced military in the world, and the other side is a bunch of peasants
with sticks and stones and AK-47s and maybe some hang gliders on a good day. Is that a war?
They're a captive population held behind fences. They don't have any access. The the food that's in there is controlled.
Their water is controlled. It's illegal to collect rainwater in the West Bank. They can't travel in and out. There's a
blockade. Is this a war or is this an internment camp where they're playing
hunger games and now they're going to build the, you know, the Trump Riviera,
right? And ignore all the numbers. Ignore all the numbers. Who cares? Maybe
they're all Hamas numbers, right? Let's get a little bit of expert testimony on
the matter, right? I'm no soldier. I've never been to war, but our boy Nate has
been to war. In fact, our boy Nate has been to the wars in the Middle East.
He's an ex-green beret with multiple tours of duty with years and years, over a decade of experience, and he'll just
tell you exactly how it is.
By the way, this is Itamar Bengavir.
Uh I believe he's the national defense minister. I'm forgetting I'm getting that wrong. I
think I always forget what his like what the specific title of him is. He's in Benjamin Netanyahu's cabinet. And he's
saying in Hebrew, "Now that we have received the hostages, we must return to war and open the gates of hell upon Gaza
because this guy is a genocidal maniac.
Now they got the hostages back. Now they can really get down to business. It's actually smart, very convenient. But we
also need to stop calling this a war. This is not a war. Okay? A war is between two nation states. Okay? Israel
is not at war with Palestine. And this is at best, if you want to be charitable, counterterrorism operations,
counterinsurgency operations, which we as Green Berets spent most of our time doing in the global war on terror. And I
can tell you when I look at this, this is not a war. I did counterterrorism
operations against the Taliban and it looked nothing like this. We were not allowed to just indiscriminately bomb
everything, every building. See, when America does counterterrorism operations, it's very, very surgical.
You use special operation forces, you oftentimes are dealing with a ton of civilians in the area. We would have
tons and tons of civilians on every target I've pretty much ever been on. And you have to work around that. We
don't get to just indiscriminately destroy anything because somebody shot
at us from one of those buildings. Right. But Nate, they're using human shields.
Human shields. We have to kill all these kids because
of human shields. Uh especially if there's civilians inside or dealing with human shields,
which is things we had to deal with. This is what this looks like.
There's nothing there. It's all gone. This isn't counterterrorism.
This isn't counterinsurgency. That's not how any of this looks. We all
know what this is. You know what this actually looks like, guys? This looks more like this. This looks more like a
nuclear bomb went off. And you know, if you've been paying
attention, you would know that we've dropped as much tonnage of bombs on Gaza
as we did in World War II, maybe more, which is kind of the opposite of a
surgical operation, actually. Now, do you want to know how we know for pretty much 100% certainty that this war is not
going to end? It's this right here. Yes. So, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin
Netanyahu has confirmed two days ago he will run for reelection in November of
2026 seeking to extend his whole Yeah, we're going to get carried away if we keep on looking at all that because
that's depressing and I we could go on and on about BB's war crimes. Okay, so
we have a captive population that we are funding the captivity. We are funding
the intentional starvation of that population. Israel actually calculated how many people live in Gaza and how
many calories per day those people would need, how many calories per day would cause them to starve to death and cause
famine. And then add just a little bit to that number and that's exactly how many calories we're going to let through
the blockade. A calculated barely not famine for years.
And then they started bombing them. Right?
Then you got to remember that there's this whole relationship
where Jewish Americans from Pennsylvania and
New York City and Florida and Arizona are just taking genocide vacations to go
on over there and fight the good fight. Obviously for America, for I mean for Israel, I mean for
something. Good evening. My name is Idan Alexander. I'm so honored to accept this
recognition from the Fox Pat. I mean, first off, look at Bro's face.
What? I thought it was Muslim nations that had too many cousin marriages.
The words serving Israel and standing with America remains the greatest privilege of my life. First, I want to
let's listen to that one more time. Israel and I'm so honored to accept this recognition from the Fox Patriot Awards.
Serving Israel and standing with America remains serving Israel and standing with America, you know, by being in the IDF
going over there to kill kids to kill women. The greatest privilege of my life.
First, I want to thank President Trump for your leadership and for standing with Israel and the hostages. Your
support makes this moment possible, and I am deeply grateful. To my family, I
want to thank you for never giving up on me. And to the soldiers still fighting and the families of the following, I
carry your sacrifice with me every day. Thank you and may God bless you all.
The Fox Nation Patriot Awards. He's getting a Patriot Award for serving in a
foreign military. You remember that time when Brian Mass, a sitting congressman who had served in
a foreign military, wore his foreign military uniform to Congress?
Yeah, this is a foreign military that has manufactured famine. And I purposely
chose a Jewish source from Israel, just so you know, it's not Hamas,
but you can read all kinds of sources about the manufactured starvation of
Palestinians. You can read all kinds of sources,
including Jewish sources from Israel, about how the West Bank is an apartheid
state, how there are different laws for Jews versus Palestinians, how there's
two different court systems, how there's different roads, there's different parts of society, different locations,
different places you can go. There's giant walls built right through their city. They're surveiled. They're taken
from their homes without any explanation, put in prison without any sentencing, without any process of
appeal. Then they just keep on taking more land. Israeli settlements in the West Bank
have actually accelerated since October 7th. And to be clear, an Israeli
settlement is where the Israeli government sponsors Israeli citizens going into Palestinian land and burning
their homes down, kicking them out, violently attacking them until they all leave. And then when they all leave,
they destroy their homes, they destroy their towns, and they build an Israeli town there using Israeli money. A lot of
it coming directly from your paycheck, directly from your tax dollars. And if
you're Jewish in America and you want to move, maybe you don't like the state of
New York City now that Manny's been elected. No worries. You can literally
move to Israel and they'll help fund your relocation to a Palestinian home
that's not Palestinian anymore, obviously, because God's chosen people and all that. Right. Right.
Christians. Christians in the Holy Land. We hear over and over that Israel is the
defender of Christianity in the Holy Land. They're the defender of Western values. Well, let's hear from Christians
in the Holy Land. Spitting in front of me, spitting behind
me, spitting on me, um saying uh bad words to me, bad words about Jesus,
throwing stones through our windows and hate graffitis. And there's very often
death to the Christians.
Unfortunately after that it happened again and again again it was not that that is a singular experience.
This is this is what they [ __ ] [ __ ] It is very important that the religious
leaders educate uh the people to tolerance.
What we ask is that the government, the police do their job. Their job is to
grant to all the citizens the right to live safety and in peace
from the official Israel. I expect more. What I miss? It's really a very clear
stance from the official Israel, from the police, from the security to say we
have a problem and this problem is called Christian hate from Jewish
extremists. We have to face that problem.
It's really not that surprising though when you think about what most people
that follow the Jewish religion think of Jesus Christ. You can look that up for yourself. You can ask your search engine
of choice. Where do they believe that Jesus resides now? What do they think of Jesus?
Despite all the anti-Muslim propaganda, Muslims believe that Jesus was holy.
He's one of their most revered prophets, right? And honestly, I'm sick of the [ __ ] religious arguments because it's
not a religious state and it's not a religious project. Benjamin Netanyahu is not religious whatsoever.
There are a lot of religious people in there that are extremely extreme about it. But let's be clear, all of this is a
smoke screen. The original Zionists were thinking of going to Africa until they realized it
would be awfully convenient to go to Israel because of the religious argument that could manipulate Christians like
y'all Americans into thinking that God's chosen people deserve this land. God's chosen people,
which sounds an awful lot like, shall we say,
the holy Arian race, right? as in anyone that thinks that
their race is superior to all other races is inherently genocidal.
Any ethnostate that thinks that their ethnicity is superior, particularly for
religious reasons, but hell, it could be scientific reasons or just a grudge. Whatever it is,
that will always lead to the persecution and the eventual
genocide of other races that they see as inferior by definition.
That's why in America, we are we have a nation built on the principle that all people are created
equal with inalienable rights. That's why America is so great. And Tucker has
done a great job of pointing out that that is a fundamentally Christian principle, although anyone is welcome to
share it. And to be clear, lots of Jewish people share that perspective and are not in with all of this absolute
insanity. And thank God because we need some sane Jews out here to hopefully
pull a bunch of the other ones back from the edge. Same thing with Muslims. Lots of Muslims
are into global jihad. But thank God there's a whole bunch of sane Muslims out there too that are normal people.
Important to echo what Tucker has been saying over and over and over that everyone is an individual and should be
judged individually for their actions. And that is why I am so harsh in my judgment of Israel and so harsh in my
judgment of everyone that supports Israel and supports this project whether it be financially or with their words,
their actions because this project is evil. This
project is inherently involves killing children, killing women, displacing
families, displacing an entire ethnic group and persecuting them based solely on their ethnic group. It is based on
ethnic superiority.
It's really not that different than the whole Nazi thing that it's supposed to be a reaction to, than the whole Nazi
thing that Tucker apparently represents that we're all freaking out about.
Literally the side that is backing the modern ethnogenocide
is the side screaming that they are victims of a regular dude named Tucker
Carlson who's just talking to people in his barn.
But we all actually know, I think, at least around these parts, we all know what's
going on, like what's wrong with the war in Gaza and what Israel is doing to
Gazins and what Israel is doing to Palestinians both in the West Bank and in Gaza. But we don't talk enough about
what's going on with the Israelis in Israel. Aside from them protesting their
government of BB Netanyahu, aside from them protesting for the right to rape prisoners,
there's all kinds of crazy stories we could go with, but I just want to look a little bit at what are they doing with
all of the money that we're sending to them. One thing that Israel is doing with all
of our tax dollars is they all have free healthcare. Did you know that?
Did you know that Israel has some of the best health care in the world?
In 2020, Israel's health system was ranked third most efficient in the
world. And after all, that's not surprising because it's awfully easy to run a good health system when your tiny
little nation the size of New Jersey is the benefactor of all of America's tax dollars to the tune of tens of billions.
Right. How's your healthcare, bud?
This part isn't even about Israel, but I just thought I would throw it in there. Did you know that Jewish people can get interest free loans?
Did you know that there's just a a network of Jewish financeers? I guess like banks because they I mean like I
don't know, but you can just look it up. Just look up interest free loans for Jewish people. And there's all kinds of
different organizations that provide them for all different reasons.
I don't know how much you're paying on your mortgage, how much you're paying on your credit card. If you're in a pinch,
good luck with that. See if the bank will give you a loan. Ask how much the
usery will be. But if you're part of this uh chosen people, apparently
you're all good because by their belief it's prohibited
to charge each other interest on loans. I am no historical scholar, but I seem
to remember Christians having a belief at some point that usery was bad.
Usery meaning charging interest on debt.
money lending, right? And the more you learn about the
American financial system, the Federal Reserve, central banking,
going off the gold standard, fiat currency, the more you learn about our modern
slide into uh like economic collapse, more or less, the more you learn that
it's pretty much all based on usery and that if we still had a goldbacked currency and we weren't extorting each
other for interest on all this madeup up debt and then repackaging that debt into
derivatives and then repackaging those derivatives into second rate order derivatives, we probably wouldn't be so
[ __ ] The dollar probably wouldn't lost have lost 98% of its purchasing power over
the last 100 or so years, right? But don't worry because we're just printing more and more money every year so that
we can send 21.7 billion dollars of it in military aid to Israel ever since the war in Gaza began. a war in Gaza, right?
You never voted for this. In fact, I remember voting for America first,
but you're not really America first, are you? If you don't support a foreign
ethnostate that spits on Christians, bombs children, and takes your money for
their free healthcare programs and the like.
You can pick whatever source you want. There's all different sources, but it's not three billion, right? Let's get that
clear. We always give every year at least three billion to Israel. That's
the baseline. Okay? But since the war in Gaza has started, it has skyrocketed.
And again, you don't need to argue over numbers because it's all [ __ ]
1 billion is too much at this point. A $100 is too much at this point. Giving
anything to the nation that's conducting a genocide is too much.
After all, what do we historically think of everybody that helped the Nazis? You
know, the worst thing that's ever happened. Ignore Stalin and the Communist. Ignore Mao. Ignore all the
other atrocities because obviously this is the only one that matters.
But any dollar sent to Israel is too much while they're killing women and children with them.
Duh. How much do you think it would take to
end homelessness in America? Obviously a nebulous number, but when you start to
look into it, the United States Department of Housing and Urban Development, they they
estimated how much, and it would only cost $20 billion, according to our own
government, to end homelessness in the United States of America.
So for the cost of killing tens of thousands of women and children in the
desert, we have chosen not to help each
and every American citizen living on the streets. We could have easily done all
that here in America and had like almost $10,000$10 billion left over
according to our government anyways. But who's really counting, right?
Homelessness crisis, fentinyl epidemic, people out on the streets, can't walk
around at night. No big deal. Because it's really
important that we bomb women and children obviously because kamas is over there,
right? So each day
an average of 17 veterans take their own lives. according to
Barry Law, this veterans law attorney. But Nate from Valhalla VFT filled me on
filled me in on another really important fact last night while we were talking about this very statistic. That
statistic doesn't include drug overdoses apparently,
which we all know is a a big part of the problem. And actually Nate gave a really touching
and sad but powerful breakdown of what it is that actually drives veterans to
suicide and what it is that is so destructive about coming home from war. And it's not what you might expect and
it wasn't what I expected and it really helped me to understand what was going on um with veterans in America. And it's
tragic and I highly recommend you go watch that stream that I was referencing earlier. You can find it on his channel.
But Nate said that this number does not actually include drug overdoses and that the number is
probably actually a lot closer to 40 by most people's estimates. 40 veterans every day taking their own lives. That's
obviously in addition to just regular American teenagers, American men,
American women that are also taking their own lives every day because of the hopelessness of this nation right now.
People getting addicted to fentinyl and other drugs every day.
Because our economy is failing. Housing is impossible. Student loans are crushing.
Groceries are insane. Wages ain't [ __ ] But don't worry because God's chosen
people have free healthcare at your expense. and all of our government is sure to get
up on stage at each next most important Israel rally that's hosted in our
country with millions of dollars that comes from Lord knows where to tell you all about how great it is that we
support this foreign nation and to tell you who you got to cancel for even talking about it because
obviously it's unthinkable that anyone would ever talk about such things. It's unthinkable that a 21-year-old kid would
ever say something so bombastic as what Nick Fuentes says when he's growing up
in this environment in this economy. Right?
United States drug overdose death rates in totals over time around 76,500 people died in the 12 month period
ending April 30th, 2025. That is 210 drug overdose deaths per
day. And I do not know what is going on with West Virginia, but someone should
check on West Virginia.
I just want to read this uh Twitter post as a singular anecdote to help drive this home. Zach says, "I am 40 years
old. I work full-time in emergency medical services and transport ambulances. I help people through the
worst days of their lives. I've done what we were all told to do. Show up, work hard, stay consistent, live within
your means, and still, I can't afford to live on my own. Even with overtime, the bills outpace the paycheck. Rent rises
faster than wages. I'm being evicted and moving back in with my family. It's humbling, and honestly, it hurts. But it
also says something larger about an economy that's detached from real life, where essential workers can't afford
essentials. I can help lives, but I can't afford to live one. Something has
to give because this isn't sustainable. Not for me, not for anyone trying to hold the line quietly.
And this is one of the hardest and most traumatizing and most important
respectable jobs you could ever hold. Maybe he should move to Israel where all
that free health care money will help pay for his rent and maybe even get his rent subsidized by a good little
American tax money. A so
let's wrap up section one here with the broad overview of getting us back into
the Israel conversation with a little bit of context of what's really going on out here by revisiting our boy Ricky HD.
MAGA unless EU support Israel. Doesn't m You're not truly MAGA unless EU support Israel. Doesn't MAGA stand for make
America great again? What does Israel have to do with that? Because they are our greatest ally. Really? What have they ever done for us? Name one thing
besides bomb us and attack us, which is an actual fact. We went to the war in the Middle East fighting their enemies.
Never once did the IDF help us out. Never once did they send anything. Did they give us any beans or bandages? They didn't give us any bullets. They didn't
give us any backup. They didn't give any QRF. They didn't give a medecac. Nothing. If you can tell me one thing that they've done besides the MSAD and
their intelligence, which you see must be pretty shitty if they didn't know that there was people on their border and [ __ ] hang gliders that were going
to attack them. I mean, oh, the Bible commands that Christians need to stand with Jews and because Jews are God's chosen people. As a Christian, I want
you to go ask any Jew, anyone, ask them, "Do you believe in Jesus Christ?" And they will say, "No, he was just a Jew
that was trying to run a muck, performing sorcery acts, and they killed him for his transgressions, and now he's boiling in hell for eternity in his own
excrement, which is feces, semen, and urine." And then I want you to go ask a Muslim, "Do you believe in Jesus
Christ?" And they will say, "Yes, we do. We believe that he was a prophet. He was the closest to God and absolutely divine." There's nothing in the Bible
that commands Christians to stand by an ethnostate that was created in 1948. What does it say in the Bible about
denying Christ? 1 John 2:22, what does it say? It says, "Who is the liar? He who denies Christ is the Antichrist. It
also says in the Bible that he who does not believe in me does not believe in my father. As a Christian, your God and a Jews God is not the same. But you have
to be subservient to them because the Bible commands it. It's just confusing. You know that in Iran they they chant death to America every single day. We
have American liberals that chant death to America every day. Those are just words. Has Iran ever attacked us? Has
Iraq ever attacked us? Has Syria ever attacked us? No. But you know who has attacked us is actually attacked us more
than once. Well, Israel is the only place where Christians can live and pray and and do their faith in peace. Is that
what BB told you? That's not true. Christians in Israel get spit on. They get denounced. They get shunned. They
get their land stolen from them. Churches bombed, their bishops killed. The IDF has actually killed more
Christians than Islamic terror groups in Syria. Destroyed more Christian churches than anyone in Iran. Where's Bethlehem?
Bethlehem, where Jesus was born and he's from, is in the West Bank of Palestine. the place where the IDF and Israeli
settlers are pushing Christians out violently and stealing their land. They might want to read. Well, in Israel, they're more aligned with our values in
the West. Who do you think runs the pornography industry and most all of the Only Fans, Pornhub, Red Tube, all the
above? And where do you think that transgenderism actually originated from? I'll tell you, it's not the Muslims and it's not the Christians. Where do they
allow sex changes for children? Where's the one place in the world that's a safe haven for PDF files? I'll give you a hint. It's Israel. You know who Jeffrey
Epstein is? You're not truly MAGA unless you support.
No, Ricky, I don't know who Jeffrey Epste is. Jeffrey Epste who are we are we still talking about this guy?
Really? This guy? This creep. I thought we'd forgotten all about him.
I thought we cleared his name. I mean, I certainly forgot about how our own
justice system tried and convicted him and then mysteriously he died.
But yeah, let's um let's uh clear his name, forget all about it, get Jigalain
Maxwell out of prison, and just forget it ever happened, right? Yeah. America first. That's right.
That's right. So now that America's waking up, now that
we're all talking about it, now that the dam has broken
largely and in some ways like entirely because of our boy Nick Fuentes,
now we got a problem because all you peasants,
we we're really going to need you to keep funding healthcare over And um the war is not over.

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Trump FALLS Right into Justice Jackson's TRAP at Supreme Court
Legal AF
Nov 10, 2025 The Intersection with Michael Popok

We are now on a 48 hour clock to see if the Supreme Court will allow Trump to starve Americans, who are checking their SNAP/anti hunger payment accounts hourly to see if they can feed their families today or not. Popok explains that with the new First Circuit denial of Trump's request to not make another of $3 billion in payments to hungry American families below the poverty line, he is now forced, because of Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson's masterful decision over the weekend, to publicly go to the Supreme Court and ask them and the MAGA6 to let him starve Americans.



Transcript

As Donald Trump and his administration
finds new ways to screw the American
people and especially the
underprivileged, those below the poverty
line, even as late as Sunday night and
into Monday, in terms of the SNAP food
program for 42 million people, one out
of eight people in America are on the
SNAP anti-hunger payment program. as he
tries to figure out new ways to try to
claw back the money that's already been
spent by the states and sent to them on
their electronic cards so they can feed
their families and trying to hold the
states accountable for it. And as the
shutdown in the background may or may
not be ending in the next 24 to 48 hours
depending upon when ma Mike Johnson can
recall the Congress to approve of
whatever is coming out of the Senate. As
all that's going on, we've got in
breaking news, the first the first
circuit court of appeals has issued its
order that Katanji Brown Jackson so
masterfully set up from her perch on the
United States Supreme Court. I'm going
to make it all make sense here on Legal
AF Monday. I'm Michael Popac. Let's get
to it because I've got in my hands and
we'll be posting on Legal AF Substack
the order that Katanji Brown Jackson
said needed to be issued with dispatch.
We've got it here right now from the
first circuit about the SNAP payments.
Now, this is regardless of what happens
with the opening. I mean, I want the I
want the government to open particularly
on terms that are important for the
American people about Obamacare, but I'm
also focused on 42 million Americans and
making sure they don't go hungry.
So, let me tell you how we got here and
then I'll go into this new order written
by Judge uh Rickleman and why it's so
important that she wrote that order in a
in a moment. Donald Trump did not allow
his US Department of Agriculture to
spend the $4.6 billion contingency fund
to fund the up to8 billion a month
required to keep people from going
hungry. he would not allow his USDA to
spend that money, requiring two
different groups of people in the last
10 days to run to two different courts.
Judge McConnell in Rhode Island led by
Democracy Forward and public interest
groups and church groups and cities and
another group of 23 attorneys general
for blue states who ran to
Massachusetts. Judge McConnell came out
with the strongest order. Chief Judge of
Rhode Island. He issued a series of
orders. He issued a temporary
restraining order requiring that by last
Monday or Wednesday at the latest that
the federal government make their
payments. In making their payments, he
also required that they either choose to
pay the full $8 billion tapping into
another series of funds that were
available to the government. We call
them section 32 funds. they come from
customs duties. Either do that and top
it up to 8 billion and make a full
payment for November so people don't go
hungry or pay less than that using the
$4.65 billion number which is the
contingency fund and then explain to the
court why they were making less than
payments less than full payments but do
it all within last week. Um the
government objected. They filed their
appeal to the first circuit. The first
they tried to get a stay at the first
circuit to stop having to make the
payments. Yet in the same breath they
made $5 billion worth of payments.
Apparently nobody told Donald Trump
that. And by making five out of eight
billion while it's not enough, it did
undermine their argument that they
needed an emergency appeal down the road
to stop them from funding things they
didn't want to fund because they already
funded the five billion. Now Donald
Trump didn't like the fact that they
funded the five billion over his
objection. So over the weekend, late on
Saturday, he had the USDA issue new
memoranda to the states telling them
that they wanted to claw back the five
billion that had been paid while the
case was still pending at the United
States Supreme Court and the First
Circuit. Not a smart move tactically for
Donald Trump. And again, trying to harm
the poor. Nothing like trolling the
poor. Our most disadvantaged group in
America. We're talking about children
and babies and disabled and veterans
uh you know during an election season or
at any time. I mean Sky Perryman put it
the best in her statement for Democracy
Forward. It is a sad state of affairs
that we need to sue to force the
American president to care about
Americans.
And so all that's going on over the
weekend as a group of of senators is
trying to reopen the government. Now
whether that happens between now and
Wednesday when the house comes back into
session, the question is these people
need milk today. These people need
nutrition today.
So Katanji Brown Jackson over the
weekend and she took a little heat for
this. Um I think I broke down the
analysis so people felt better about it.
But Katanji Brown Jackson, who's the
first judge that sits over the first
circuit court of appeals in the s in
this system of of process, when the
first circuit refused to grant a
temporary administrative stay to allow
for the appeal to be filed, she stepped
in, granted an administrative stay for
what turned out to be 48 hours to give
the first circuit time to issue their
23page decision about whether they were
going to stay the order of Judge
McConnell so that the additional three
billion uh would be paid whether that
was going to be blocked so that three
billion would be denied the poor and the
hungry.
She wanted to give time to the first
circuit to make that record. We now have
the order of the first circuit and what
Katanji Brown Jackson said in her order
at the Supreme Court level is once that
order comes out she's going to lift her
stay within 48 hours. We're now on the
clock. We're now on a 48 hour clock now
that Trump has gotten this with the
backdrop of the political negotiations
to reopen the government. Is he going to
run back to the United States Supreme
Court and ask them to overturn the first
circuit to allow him not to pay poor
people to keep them from being hungry?
Think about this. He's fighting to save
$3 billion
as he spends hundreds of millions of
dollars over the weekend to build
ballrooms and go back and play golf at
Mara Lago instead of helping getting the
government reopened. Just think about
the depravity of this. But the clock,
we're on the clock now here on Monday on
Legal AF. We've got the order of the
First Circuit. I'm going to read to you
from certain pages. I'm going to tell
you why, who's involved in it, and what
it means for the next 48 hours as it in
parallel to what's happening at the at
the government level to try to reopen
the government. It almost doesn't
matter. We need this process to be
resolved by the courts at this moment.
Three judge panel at the first circuit.
Chief Judge Baron, Obama appointee, uh
Gelpy, a Biden appointee, and uh Chief
and uh Rickleman, a Biden appointee. So,
it's Obama and two Bidens. Now, Judge
Rickleman, she's very interesting and
she wrote the majority decision
because she for years had been a
tremendous advocate for the Center for
Reproductive Rights for Women's
Reproductive Rights and uh and abortion
rights. Then she got on the bench and
went right to the uh the First Circuit
Court of Appeals. So, she knows about
depravity. She knows about this
administration and Donald Trump. She
fought hard against them for years as an
advocate uh as a senior litigation
council for the center for reproductive
rights. Here's what she writes here on
uh in her order.
Let's start with um the amount of people
that are involved. 42 million people,
one out of every eight Americans, she
wrote use monthly benefits from the
federal supplemental nutrition
assistance program to buy food for
themselves and their family. Then she
goes through a series of orders in
October through November that took away
the right to tap into the contingency
funds that were at about $5 billion or
so because Trump told them to. That
doesn't even account the three or four
changed positions over this past
weekend, which left SNAP recipients
reeling. Could you imagine waking up or
checking checking your account hourly to
determine whether you had enough money
to feed your family? It's it it the the
emotional distress caused by Donald
Trump. Um here's what Judge uh Rickleman
for the for the 30 voted majority says
on page five. For low-income Americans,
SNAP is a vital bull work against hunger
and food insecurity. Access to food is
of course a basic human need. Further
food security is a critical factor in
health and well-being. the ability to
stay in a stable housing and children's
physical and educational development. I
mean, there's 14 million children who
get these benefits. Without SNAP, tens
of millions would go hungry. The first
among a cascade of other health and
financial farms that would befall those
forced to go without enough food,
particularly in the month leading up to
winter, not alone, not and uh
Thanksgiving.
So then you go to um page 18 of her
order
and the order of course refuses to stay
judge McConnell's order that they come
up with the additional three billion and
make that payment post haste.
She says for the majority on page 18
that effectively the government made a
series of errors in their position
taking and she chastises them and tells
them this is why you're going to you're
losing to begin with. She says on 18 we
emphasize what the parties do not
dispute. the government agrees that it
can use the contingency funds to provide
partial November SNAP benefits despite
its initial position that those funds
were inaccessible. She points out that
even though they told Judge McConnell
they can't make the payment, they paid
out $5 billion in ours. Indeed, in its
state papers to us, the government
request to stay only to the extent that
the district court's orders require USDA
to expend funds beyond the SNAP
contingency fund. See, this is the fight
over the three billion, not the first
five billion. And the judge thinks
that's very, very um telling. She also
says the other fund they can tap,
section 32, which comes from custom
receipts, has $23 billion in it. So
there they could take out the three
billion, leave the child nutrition fund
intact effectively, but fully fund SNAP
payments for some of the same
overlapping group of people.
Um,
and so at the end of the order, she
reminds the Trump administration
something that they seem to have
forgotten. On page 23, she's citing a
case from the Supreme Court. Federal
courts are not reduced to issuing
injunctions and hoping for compliance.
Once issued, an injunction may be
enforced. So they said McConnell was
right to call everybody together on
Thursday, this past week and and enforce
his temporary restraining order by
saying, "Look, I gave you a choice. Pay
the 4.65 billion out of the 8 billion
that was that's needed and then tell me
why you're holding back on the remainder
and I'll tell you whether that's
arbitrary and capricious because if it's
arbitrary and capricious, I'm going to
force you to pay the full three." Well,
the Trump administration said, "It's
really hard for us to make partial
payment, and that'll delay things weeks
or maybe months." And the judge says,
"You're creating a false problem, a
false emergency. Make the full payment.
Tap into three billion out of the 23
billion set aside for child nutrition.
It'll leave plenty for the program and
top up the payment for November as we're
waiting for the government to reopen and
do it now. You're playing games. You're
holding you're holding human beings
politically hostage and undermining
their food security.
So that's what we have. Now let's talk
quickly about the the 48 hour clock
we're on. Katanji Brown Jackson when she
stayed for two days to allow the first
circuit to issue that opinion which
again is up on legal a Substack. She
said after that I'm lifting it in 48
hours. That gives the parties mainly the
Trump side time to run somewhere. Now
they've run out of time at the first
circuit and run out of options. So now
they're going to have to run back to the
United States Supreme Court and ask for
a some sort of if they're going to do
it, some sort of emergency application,
emergency appeal, and see if there's
four votes to take it up and five votes
to rule in their favor that they don't
have to make $3 billion worth of um
child effectively child hunger payments,
anti-hunger payments. they don't have to
do that in the next uh three or four
days while hopefully the government
opens. Look, until the government's
open, as I said to my team here, it's
not open. And so we have to continue in
the court system, is some of this mooded
out by the fact the government may open
and fund these things maybe. But we need
to also set a precedent for the future
about how Trump cannot play with
people's lives. Russian roulette with
five bullets in the chamber. So, I'm
going to continue to follow it. You're
here on Legal AF. Thanks for being here.
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Trump FUMBLES Tariff Case at Supreme Court AGAIN!?!
Legal AF
Nov 10, 2025 The Intersection with Michael Popok

For the second time in a week, Trump (with his mind on his golf game not stopping Americans' suffering caused by his Shutdown). and his Treasury Secretary confessed that his Tariffs on 200 countries is nothing more than a revenue generating TAX bringing in Trillions to be paid out to Americans as a "dividend" which completely undermines their legal position before the Supreme Court that the purpose of tariffs is NOT to raise money but to "regulate." Popok catches the lie again and brings the receipts.



Transcript

Donald Trump and his administration do
not understand the fine points of the
legal arguments his administration just
made to the United States Supreme Court
about his tariff program. The last thing
that he needs to tell the American
people or the United States Supreme
Court is that he believes the tariffs
are revenue producing to the tune of
trillions of dollars and that there's
going to be a tariff refund to the
American people. But he just said
exactly that just several days after the
United States Supreme Court oral
argument while the case is still alive.
And Scott Bent, his Treasury Secretary,
admitted that the tariffs are revenue
producing as well, trillions of dollars.
In fact, if they are revenue producing,
they are the equivalent according to the
Supreme Court of which means Donald
Trump has violated article one of the
Constitution in trying to tax through
tariffs
um allies and enemies alike, passing the
cost along like a tax to the American
consumer. See, Donald Trump likes lying
to the American people. He's done it in
a series of ways and it's always about
waving around some big phony check that
he's never produced and never going to
give to the American people. But by
doing so, he undermines his very legal
argument that's before the Supreme
Court. Remember when Doge said that they
were Elon Musk was going to save the the
government $2 trillion? It spends $5
trillion a year. That was like 40% they
were going to save because of Elon Musk.
Never came anywhere near that. It was a
a hundred billion XXX at most. And
Donald Trump said, "You're all gonna get
a $5,000
Doge dividend check." What did you do
with yours?
Get my point? Now, as he's golfing at
Mara Lago, as the capital burns, as a
small group of Democrats and Republicans
in the Senate try to reopen the
government, and avoid a air shutdown
during Thanksgiving, avoid more injury
to the impoverished in America while he
golfs.
He also then decided that he's going to
take away our healthcare. He's going to
get rid of insurance companies and
instead he's going to give each of us
$2,000
to cover our health benefits.
I I don't think he understands how
insurance or health benefits work. But
2,000 bucks in my health savings account
is not going to cut it. Not when
insurance, because it's spread out along
among a lot of insureds in a pool, ends
up giving you anywhere between 10,000
and hundreds of thousands or even
millions of dollars of coverage should
you need it. I don't think if you go to
the health care store with $2,000,
you're going to get much for you or your
family.
But the when So, he made kind of both of
those promises. Let's destroy insurance
companies.
And yet we need the insurance companies
because I guess the $2,000 is going to
go to the insurance companies, but not
the insurance companies that are
providing Obamacare. I I mean, the whole
thing is just so upside down. It's it's
he's just insufferable. I mean, the the
the limits of his mental capacity and
those of his enablers around them is
just spectacular. On Michael Popach,
you're on Monday morning legal af.
I want to focus not on the Doge phony
check for 5,000 that nobody ever got.
Not for this ridiculous
$2,000 health account after he destroys
the insurance companies. And no
insurance is ever going to cover you for
pre-existing condition ever again. That
was the big heart of Obamacare,
pre-existing condition coverage.
Um he then says, and I'm going to read
it to you.
He then says the following, that there's
going to be a $2,000 tariff dividend.
Now, listen to this because this
completely destroys the argu legal
argument before the Supreme Court to
keep the tariffs in place, which I
thought he wanted to do. You wouldn't
know it by what he just said out loud.
Here's what he said in a truth social
post.
A dividend of at least $2,000 a person,
not including highincome people, will be
paid to everyone.
So, not everyone. Um, the 2000 uh here's
what he said in its complete uh of on
the truth social. Here's the complete
posting. We'll put it up on the screen.
People that are against tariffs are
fools. We are now the richest, most
respected country in the world with
almost no inflation. Or that's already a
lie. No inflation. I can tell he's never
shopped at the supermarket recently.
It's now 3.4%. It's the highest in 20
years and it's heading in the exact
wrong direction. And a record stock
market price that who does that? That
that only helps people who have enough
money to be in the stock market. That's
not a measure of how people feel about
the economy. 70% believe the economy is
in the wrong direction because they feel
it every day in their purse, in their
pocketbook. The reason the Democrats won
and won big on Tuesday night was because
we focused on affordability.
It's the economy, stupid. You got to
focus on kitchen table politics.
401ks are highest ever. That That's not
true either, by the way. If you could
afford to have a 401k, what about the
other 85% of America that don't have
that? We're taking in. Now, here's the
part that screws him. He just doesn't
realize it. And no lawyer. If he had a
lawyer that he respected that or he
trusted that would read these things
before they went up, they would never go
up. It's just the lawyers having to
scramble behind Donald Trump like an
elephant cleaning up behind the
elephant. He says we're taking in
trillions of dollars and will soon begin
paying down our enormous debt, 37
trillion, made more enormous by him by
cutting taxes.
And we're not taking in trillions of
dollars. We're taking in hundreds of
billions of dollars a year, but it's
still a tremendous revenue, right?
Record investment in the USA, a dividend
of at least $2,000 a person, not
including high-income people, will be
paid to everyone, but not everyone.
He's arguing at the United States
Supreme Court that the tariffs are not
revenue producing. That's not their
focus. They're regulatory.
Right. Here's the clip again from John
Sauer being grilled by
um the Chief Justice of the Supreme
Court, John Roberts. Listen,
but I mean and I think this is a
question for the other side as well.
It's too too facing. Yes, of course,
tariffs and dealings with foreign
powers, but the vehicle is imposition of
taxes uh on on Americans and that has
always been the core power of Congress.
So to have the president's foreign
affairs power trump that that uh
basic power uh for Congress uh seems to
me to kind of at least
ne neutralize uh between the two powers
the executive power and the legislative
power.
Let me say two things in response to
that. First, the notion that these are
the taxes are all borne by Americans and
are not borne by foreign foreign
producers who are whose goods are
imported is is empirically that's not
there's no basis for that in the record.
It's it's actually a mix.
Well, who pays the tariffs?
If a tariff is imposed on automobiles,
um uh who pays them? There's a there
typically there'd be a regardless of who
the importer of record is, there'd be a
contract that would go along the sort of
line of transfer that would allocate the
the tariff and there'd be different
sometimes the foreign the foreign
producer would pay them. Sometimes the
importer would bear the cost the
importer could be an American, could be
a foreign company. A lot of times it's a
wholly owned American subsidiary of a
foreign corporation. So it gets
allocated. The empirical estimates range
from like 30% to 80% of like how much is
borne by
I mean it's been suggested that the
tariffs are responsible for significant
reduction in our deficit. I would say
that's raising revenue domestically
there there certainly is an incidental
and collateral effect of the tariffs
that they do raise revenue but it's very
important that they are regulatory
tariffs not revenue raising tariffs and
the way you can see this I think if you
look at this policy this policy is by
far the most effective if nobody ever
pays the tariffs. Now, in their brief
that they filed to the United States
Supreme Court, they said the same thing.
America was dead and now it's alive. The
economy has been revived and the revenue
that will be coming in from the tariffs
will go to pay down the debt. He just
said it again. In fact, Scott Bent, the
Treasury Secretary, was just on Sunday
morning talk shows and he stepped into
it as well. Does anybody brief these
people? Certainly the Department of
Justice and John Sour's office, the
solicitor general are not briefing these
people about what not to say in the
public. Let's play the clip.
Let's talk about tariffs in the Supreme
Court. The president is also posting
about tariffs this morning. He's saying
people that are against tariffs are
fools. We're taking in trillions of
dollars. Is that true?
Uh we have take over the course of the
next few years, we could take in
trillions of dollars, George. Uh but the
real the real goal of the tariffs is to
rebalance trade. And
that's another bonehead mood move by the
Trump administration as the Supreme
Court considers now and is counting
votes to see if they're going to keep
his tariffs against 200 countries in
place, which is the centerpiece of his
entire economic and fiscal and national
security policy. He's a onetrick pony.
That's all he's got is the tariffs,
the reward and punishment system. And
now it's fully briefed. The oral
argument is done. And now they're trying
to count the votes to see if there's
five votes to keep them in place or five
votes to tear them down. Donald Trump in
his briefing and oral argument had his
lawyer say it'll cause the Great
Depression if we get rid of this couple
hundred billion dollars coming in from
tariffs. Again, revenue. And that's the
argument because if it's revenue, that
it is a tax. If it's a tax, it's an
article one power under the constitution
for Congress that can't be delegated.
And his article two power, even in the
area of foreign affairs, doesn't fix it.
See,
but is but to the much to the chagrin of
his lawyers, I'm sure he's out there
saying it's revenue, revenue, revenue.
Let me take a close look now on this
Trumponomics Monday. I try to do these
um the first video of of u of the every
morning
this $2,000 healthc care
uh false promise.
Now
sometime Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,
sometime this week, we may have the
makings of a way to open the government
as it heads into days with a four in the
front of them. You know, it's $15
billion a week hit to the economy a week
because of the government shutdown. 15
billion. Just to put that in context,
the uh SNAP hung anti-hunger payments,
which are 8 billion a month, one week to
the economy, is almost twice what we
need to pay our most impoverished
Americans every month so that they don't
starve to death.
So for Donald Trump to out be out be
playing golf at Mara Lago on our
taxpayer dollars, tens of millions of
dollars every time he goes to Mara Lago
to play golf. Just write it down. It's a
$10 million event. By the time he's
done, because he's already been playing
golf, 35% of his administration so far.
By the time he's done, it's going to be
a $250 million hit to you and to our
purse, our checkbook for his golf games.
So, while he's out there, it's so
embarrassing that the Republicans
the Republicans are covering for him,
acting like they're that Donald Trump is
in the Oval Office and they're working
with him by posting backdated photos
while he's at Mara Lago.
There's a um a senator, Senator Mullen,
who literally lied by posting on his
social media a a photo of him in the
Oval Office from Friday
acting, but he posted it two days later
because even the Republicans know the
optics of Donald Trump at
um Great Gatsby, let him eat cake
Halloween parties at Mara Lago while the
shutdown's going on, while people go
cold and hungry as he trolls the poor in
America and tells them they can't have
their food stamps and their anti-hunger
payments while he while he never misses
a meal or any of the his other fat cat
oligarchs
while he builds a golden ballroom and a
marble bathroom and the rest.
Uh I mean just Saturday night late he
ordered all of the agencies in the
Department of Agriculture and
departments to make sure that they don't
make SNAP payments, anti-hunger payments
to to get the people all that they're
entitled to while his because there's a
a stay for a day or two and he doesn't
want to accidentally pay out the last
three billion. Even the Republicans know
this is a terrible, terrible look and
the optics of it, the depravity of it,
the immorality of it. As Sky Perryman
for Democracy Forward said, the fact
that we have to go to court to force the
president to care about American
citizens is pathetic.
I agree.
So, let's not buy the BS, shall we?
About the Doge dividend for 5,000 that
none of us got. that $2,000 in our
health care uh benefit uh savings
account is going to replace hundreds of
thousands, if not millions of dollars of
insurance benefits that there's no
explanation as to how he's going to crap
all over and destroy the Obamacare
insurance companies, but he's going to
have other insurance companies that are
going to take my $2,000 and give me
insurance. I don't know what he's
talking about. Insurance is is two,
three, four, five times higher than it
was last year by premium. And I'm not
even in Obamacare.
And Bernie Sanders had a great line. You
don't like Obamacare? Go to Medicare for
all. That's what he's been pushing since
he ran for president, if not before. So,
we'll continue to follow it. I'm glad
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