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Netanyahu’s Crude Exploitation of Charlie Kirk’s Death
by Glenn Greenwald
Sept. 13, 2025

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It's been a frequent theme in my reporting over the years on this show over the last several years that
emotions are often easily exploited when they're at their peak moment, their peak
level of intensity and then they're misdirected opportunistically for all sorts of ends that people end up
regretting. talked a lot about how that happened when Russia invaded Ukraine and the propaganda was so intense showing
grandmothers in Ukraine who were dying and people got very emotionally invested
in Ukraine and four years later now we're still funding it we're still arming it and a lot of people have come
to regret that same thing happened after 911 of course where people ended up cheering for all sorts of things they've come to regret last night was September
11th 24th anniversary of that attack where we examined many of those lessons that I would hope people have learned
about guarding against exploitation of their strong emotions after an event of a kind like that attack or the COVID
attack uh the COVID uh pandemic or the assassination of Charlie Kirk, but one
person who understands very well how to exploit the opinions and emotions
of American citizens. That's not just my assessment. He's boasted openly about how adept he is at manipulating American
public opinion for the interest of Israel is Benjamin Netanyahu. He really is talented at being able to deceitfully
exploit emotions and attach himself to them and then redirect them towards Israel's interest. And I've never seen
him do it quite as brazenly as he's been doing this week ever since the moment that Charlie Kirk was shot.
Benjamin, who was all over Twitter, attaching himself to Charlie Kirk, depicting Charlie Kirk as some sort of
ultimate and supreme supporter of and loyalist to the state of Israel. And
therefore, if you're having a lot of emotions about Charlie Kirk, you're sad that he was so brutally assassinated. if
you're angry about it, if you uh are remembering all the things to admire
about Charlie Kirk, he's trying to take those emotions and get you to believe that the only adequate vehicle for
expression of them is to believe everything that Charlie Kirk believed, and that includes, according to Netanyahu, that he was a one of the
greatest and most stalwart defenders of the American financing of Israel and arming of Israel and support for Israel
and subservience to Israel. And in fact, nothing could be further from the truth.
You can for sure find a lot of statements from Charlie Kirk, particularly over the LA uh the many
years where he absolutely expressed support for Israel. He talked about how his Christianity made him view Jerusalem
in particular as a very holy place and what he called Judea and Samaria. He
was definitely pro-Israel in a lot of statements. There's no doubt about that.
But as the American right began to become more about America first, as they became more inter non-interventionist,
as young people in particular began to turn against Israel and the war in Gaza, as all polling show they did, Charlie at
being part of this youth movement, being part of the younger generation, began openly questioning Israel in a way
that was very alarming to Israel, especially after Chuck Carlson had been
doing that, after Candace Owens had been doing that, after a large part with the American right, especially younger people. We're starting to question the
US's relationship. This has been a major major source of alarm
on the part of Netanyahu and Israel and the US uh the Israel lobby in the US. And one of their main goals is to whip
the American right back into line where they've always been when it comes to Israel. You've always had some prominent people on the American right like Pap
Buchanan and Ron Paul be extremely critical of Israel, extremely opposed to
US funding of Israel, but they were kind of dismissed and shunted to the side of
the fringe in large part because of those views. But it was really only after the last 18
20 months, 21 months when we saw not just this intense Israeli bombing
and killing and slaughter and ultimately genocide in in Gaza, but also the wars
that the US got involved in in in Yemen and then bombing Iran with Israel and on
behalf of Israel that the serious questioning of wait, why are we financing this country? Why are we
always serving it? Why do our politicians just talk incessantly about the importance of it?
And they don't care that that happens on the left. They kind of wrote the left off. That's why Netanyahu often
demonizes the two groups Israel regards as most threatening to their to their hegemony
in the United States, Muslims and leftist. And he always tries to fuse those together to make you believe that
Israel's enemies is your are your enemies. That's been a tactic of Israel for as
long as I can remember. That's why Ben Netanyahu was so excited about September September 11th. He understood that, oh,
this can be an American war against Islam, against the Muslim world, which is what we want more than anything. And
he came to the United States in 2002 when emotions about September 11th were still very high. And he sold the Iraq
war. Not saying that's the reason the US did it, but he was a vocal advocate of
the Iraq war, connecting it to 911, promising how it would transform the region. The Israelis openly wanted the
US to go and engineer regime change in seven different countries, including
most places where we've now done that, Libya and Syria and Iraq,
and also in Iran. That still is their goal. So exploiting the emotions of the
American people on behalf of Israel is something that Nahu indisputably is extremely good at. And he's been
ubiquitous in the American media. I mean, he's presiding over a genocide. Every day Israel is slaughtering
Palestinians in Gaza and destroying Gaza. But he believes, and he probably is right about this, that this is an
extremely important opportunity for Israel to exploit the death of Charlie Kirk, to exploit his memory, to exploit
the positive emotions toward him, the admiration for him being expressed on the right, to basically construct him as
a martyr of Israel. So that any admiration you have for Charlie Kirk means that you are revering
somebody who was one of Israel's closest friends. And that is simply false. You'll be
surprised to learn that Netanyahu is not telling the truth about that. And there's a lot of other Israel supporters
who are engaged in the same mission. Earlier today, Tucker Carlson, who is
one of the main reasons that a lot of the American right has started to turn against Israel, was on with Megan Kelly
and they were talking about Charlie Kirk and specifically this kind of
anti-interventionist, especially anti-war when it came to the Middle East and questioning of Israel
that he had been exhibiting over the past, at least since the beginning of the Trump administration in a way that has been deeply worrying to Israel.
Here's what they had to say. He was one of the only people, I mean truly one of the only people to go to
the president whom he loved. He loved Donald Trump like personally as well. And I and I think the president really
loved him in a real way. Um, but he was one of the only people to go to the Oval Office and say, "Sir, I totally understand and think Iran's
really bad, but a war with Iran is not, you know, is is is something that could really hurt our country." I mean, boy,
that was an unpopular position. He didn't need to express it. Oh, of course. And he did it again. He didn't
have some weird agenda. He wasn't mad at anybody. He was for his country and he was for doing the right and wise and
difficult thing. And he said that he went to the Oval Office to say that. He took massive, massive abuse from his own
donors, which is also something that you don't see people. And he loved his donors. It wasn't a hostile thing, but
they had a different view. A lot of them, not all, but a lot. And they expressed it to him in a very intense
way. I know because he showed me and he said, "Look, I understand your perspective. This is my perspective and
we're going to do what we think is the right thing, the wise thing." In that way, too, he was the voice of young people. I mean, there are no young
people in the country anymore supporting this war and wanting Israel to continue its bombing campaign. That's just the
truth. Look at the polls. And he was in touch with them. And even where his own opinion may have differed from their
opinion, he felt like he owed it to them to bring their message to the sitting
president of the United States. I mean, it was that's what's been snuffed out.
I I think that's actually an extremely important point that Megan made there, which is that, okay, it's one thing for
Tucker Carlson to really become vocal against the wars that Israel is
fighting. Uh, and they are worried about that. It's also very worrying when
someone like Candace Owens does it, who's roughly Charlie Kirk's age, even though she doesn't quite have the
influence among say young people. I think she is more of a broader influence in in the conservative movement, but
it's very worrying when she does it. But Charlie Kirk, you know, I said this about Nick Fentes
about the enormous amount of influence that he has assembled when it comes to young people on the American right.
Charlie Kirk is one of the people you could, you know, say might have even might have more influence, have had more
influence among especially young conservatives than anybody else. More than Ben Shapiro, more than Tucker, more
than Nick Fentes. and he was very entrenched right at the
peak of Republican power of conservative power. I mean he was close friends with Donald Trump and JD Vance and you know
that's the president vice president and everybody down the line. So for Charlie Kirk to start representing this massive
change in American attitudes toward Israel, given that Charlie Kirk had
always been a supporter of Israel, given that many of his donors are extremely
pro-Israel, as Tucker said, in a way that could have been the most
alarming danger for Israel possible. the thing they were most worried about that he was
clearly moving away from that pro-Israel stance in a way that might have been almost a tipping point in in right-wing
politics. Just to give you uh one example of what Tucker was talking about, in
April of 2025, Tucker Carlson had basically said he was
in touch with people very closely at the White House and knew that there was a serious movement to have the United
States abandon its diplomacy that Trump kept promising was going to resolve the problem with Iran and instead to bomb
Iran, to go to war for for Israel and with Israel in Iran.
And Tucker came out with a big dramatic statement about how dangerous this is. And right around the same time, might
have even been the same day, day before, day after, it was really right around the same time, this is what Charlie Kirk
posted to X. Quote, "It's going unnoticed because so much other news is
happening, but the war drums are beating again in DC. The wararmongers worry this
is their last chance to get the white whale they've been chasing for 30 years, namely an allout regime change war
against Iran. So he's denouncing and warning about the so-called wararm mongers who he says
have as their primary goal an allout regime change against Iran. Who is he talking about there? Neocons, Israel
supporters, Israelis. Obviously, that's who had as their white whale an all-out regime change war against Iran. He was
denouncing them and warning of their dangers. This is what he said. Quote, "A new Middle East war would be a catastrophic mistake. Our military
stockpiles are depleted from three years of backing Ukraine. Our effort to restore manufacturing has only just
begun and will take years to bear fruit. War could worsen our already immense deficit and international debt. Iran is
larger than Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan combined. A war would not be easy and could easily become a calamity. Thanks
to President Trump's restraint during the first term, America has a golden opportunity to pull away from the Middle East quagmires for good. We shouldn't
throw that opportunity away so that some DC husbands can feel tough by sending young
Americans to die yet again. I mean, it's hard to overstate
what a significant statement that was. He wasn't just
warning about the dangers of a war with Iran. He was denouncing a very specific group of people in Washington in the
Republican party in the conservative movement, calling them hasbins and wararm mongers and warning about how
they were pushing for regime change in Iran in order to
benefit Israel. Now, what Charlie Kirk also was was very loyal to President Trump and oftentimes
he would express these things and he would find a way to still support Trump even when Trump did them. You can debate that. But in many instances, Charlie
Kirk's become increasingly outspoken about his discomfort with
the USIsrael relationship. And now that Charlie Kirk can't speak
for himself any longer because he was just savagely assassinated,
Benjamin popped up immediately to speak for him to tell you who Charlie Kirk was
when it came to Israel. Not in Charlie Kirk's words, but in Netanyahu's.
Here's what Netanyahu said on Wednesday. So this was the day after Charlie Kirk
was killed. quote, "Charlie Kirk was murdered for speaking truth and defending freedom, a lionhearted friend
of Israel. He fought the lies and stood tall for Judeo-Christian civilization. I spoke to
him only two weeks ago and invited him to Israel." Sadly, that visit will not take place.
Note that Netanyahu didn't indicate that Charlie Kirk had accepted that invitation or planned to go
and several sources very close to him indicate that he did not. Netanyahu added, "We lost an incredible human
being. His boundless pride in America and his valiant belief in free speech will leave a lasting impact." Yes,
Netanyahu is a very fervent believer in free speech. Rest in peace, Charlie Kirk.
I mean, he just swooped in. He saw that opportunity. And you notice what the only thing that mattered was he was a
stalwart friend of Israel. I spoke to him two weeks ago. So, there's this outpouring of love for Charlie Kirk and
then comes Ben say, "I loved him too. I'm mourning with you because he he was
such a stalwart defender champion of Israel and every chance that now he gets he
defines western values as Judeo-Christian so that Jews and Christians unite
against Muslims or so that Christians who dominate in the West
see Jews in Israel as an essential part of their agenda because we're they're
united. everyone is united in Judeo-Christian values, which he says is what Charlie Kirk
most vigorously defended. I've heard Charlie Kirk talk a lot about his religion, his Christianity.
As I said, I've been on his show. I've talked to him before, and I don't think Benjamin should be talking for him.
There's a lot of evidence of Charlie Kirk speaking on these issues himself, but this is what Netanyahu is absolutely
up to. The next day he went on Newsmax and I'm saying he's all over American media,
multiple media appearances day, all over X, all over social media, inserting himself into
this national upheaval around the assassination of Charlie Kirk, obviously for Israel's purposes. And he was on
with Greta Van Sust and this is what he claimed happened. You know, they're trying to delegitimize
the state of Israel. Charlie Kirk said to me that he wrote me this detail letter. You have to fight the slander.
These untruths, these vilifications have consequences. And he was right. But I'll
tell you one thing. We're fighting on the battlefield against the terrorists and winning. And he was fighting on the
battlefield of ideas. And I think he was winning. He was going to win. That's why they shot him. I hope they don't silence
him. I don't think people will give into these ridiculous, ridiculous lies.
Now, a lot of people who are very close to Charlie Kirk, like Candace Owens,
said that the letter Charlie Kirk wrote to Netanyahu was wildly distorted and and
misrepresented by Netanyahu. I mean, if he's going to talk about the letter, he ought to
release it so that we can actually see whether Netanyahu is accurately describing it.
Here is Netanyahu on Fox. This was also yesterday. I'm telling you, Netanyahu's
primary mission this week was exploiting Charlie Kirk's assassination.
You would think he's like someone with nothing to do. It was just like a the best friend of Charlie Kirk and he's in mourning and grief and grieving. That's
why he's all over the media. This is his number one priority. And you should really think about why. Why is
the assassination of Charlie Kirk and his desire to speak to the American people about it such an crucial priority
to him while his country is engulfed in not just wars but all kinds of political crises that he's at the center of
scandals and crisis upheaval. Here's Netanyahu on Fox. This was
yesterday where he elaborates on this letter that he alleges Charlie Kirk wrote and
makes other claims about Charlie Kirk views about Israel. Prime Minister, you have your own memories of Charlie Kirk.
Please share them. Well, Harris, before I do that, I have to say that we're just heartbroken.
myself, my my wife, my family, my son actually, and his 2019 visit to Israel.
Had lunch with him and his wife Erica were shattered first as human beings
because a great human being has been taken from us. Uh he's was an
extraordinary friend. Uh he you know he he said he wrote me a letter on on May
2nd this year. He said, "One of my greatest joys as a Christian is advocating for Israel and forming
alliances to defend Judeo-Christian civilization." A few weeks before the tragedy
yesterday, I I called him and I spoke to him and I said, "Please come to Israel." I invited him to Israel and sadly that
visit will not take place. But he was he was a defender of our common Judeo-Christian civilization. He was
unbelievably excited to walk in the footsteps of Jesus here. He and while
Yes. Netanyahu says he was excited to walk in the footsteps of Jesus here. And while Netanyahu is spouting this noxious
garbage about Charlie Kirk trying to plan the emotions of the Fox audience
on the screen it reads Netanyahu Netanyahu says Kirk is an was an
extraordinary friend of Israel. I mean, the propaganda is so brazen. Can
it get more propagandistic? And Harris Faulner is really, she's one of the just absolute dumbest and most
mindless personalities on Fox. I'll never forget one of the best TV
moments that she ever provided, which was when she had Condisa Rice on Conda Rice
after the Russians invaded Ukraine and Harris Faulner said to Condisa Rice, "Look, how can this not be a war crime?
My understanding is that if you invade a sovereign country that hasn't attacked you, that's by definition a war crime.
Like not remembering that she's sitting next to the woman who was one of the main architects of the invasion of Iraq.
It's like she does not nothing connects. She's just an absolute vacant propagandist for the Murdoch agenda.
Very loyal to the Fox agenda. But in any event, so she's the perfect
person for net to come on with. She's never gonna get a ask him even like a
minimally challenging question. He's just gonna let her speak and then talk about how beautiful everything he said
was. But on the screen it says, "Kirk is an extraordinary friend of Israel. In case you're wondering what the purpose of all this is, here's the rest of this
if you can bear it. He valued our bond, the bond between America and Israel. He uh you know, he
uh uh did so many things to defend free speech. He had his truth. He stood up
for it. But he said, "You can you can come and debate me." He invited that debate. He certainly didn't invite the
violence, the horrible violence that tried to silence him. And you know, this is a worldwide problem. the the people
on on the, you know, on the extremes, the the Islamists, the radical Islamists and the their union with the ultr
progressives, uh, they often speak about human rights. They speak about free
speech, but they use violence to try to take down their enemies, whether it's
President Tribe, who's been almost assassinated twice, or, you know, they try to kill me here, too. Uh, but they
got Charlie Kirk and it's just heartbreaking. They got Charlie Kirk. I
don't think Muslims had anything to do with either of the two assassination attempts on President Trump.
And I from everything I understand don't believe that anything to do with the assassination on Charlie Kirk. The
assassination of Charlie Kirk. What he's trying to do is he knows who Israel's two main enemies are.
The American left and Muslims. Now, he's also very aware that the
American right, large portions of it are also starting to turn against Israel, which is why this is such a priority.
But you notice how deceitful is like, yeah, Muslims and the the union of of
them with the ultra progressives. This was before anyone, this was yesterday, before anyone had any idea who the
person was who shot. We still don't really know much about this person. I know that everyone on the left is saying
he's a grier. Everyone on the right is immediately saying that he's some sort of DSA socialist type.
There's a lot of conflicting signals as there are in a lot of these cases with young killers who are obviously
radicalized in like on the internet with memes and the like.
I don't think that they're overwhelming his overwhelming uh there was like a discernable right-le ideology, but more
will come out. I don't I'm not really attached to that. I really don't care. My point is that Netanyahu before
anything was known about him is saying telling the Fox audience that's who killed your beloved leader Muslims
and the sup super progressives that's against us and he's always trying to tie
himself to Donald Trump. He has corruption charges against Trump. So of course he's against Netany oh they're
doing to me what they did to Trump. He's claiming they tried to kill him and
he's saying that's what happened with Trump as well. Everything is always trying to imply to
Americans that Israel and America are like this. There's no separation. We're basically part of exactly the same
country, the same mission. And exploiting Charlie Kirk's death to
to do it um in such a brazen way, I think, is extra repugnant. Now, it isn't
just Netanyahu doing it. huge amounts of Israel. Uh here is a tweet today from
Hillel F, the fanatical Israeli uh propagandist. And here's a picture of an
IDF soldier, helpfully uh blurred out. You wouldn't want to expose him. And
he's holding a gigantic missile, which I'm sure was either sent by the United States and or paid for by the United States. These are the ones that are used
to blow up ball of Gaza and kill children. And he wrote in there in memory of Charlie Kirk. And then he posed for it. Just in case you're not
understanding, this was Israel's loss as well. Israel loves Charlie Kirk every bit as much as
you do. And Hill the tweet was direct from Gaza. He'd be so proud.
Do you see how they're talking for Charlie Kirk? Like he'd be so proud to have a missile with his name on it
that's going to blow up kids in Gaza. As Megan Kelly said, he he was
representative of the younger uh wing of the conservative movement that was turning against Israel and turning
against his wars. Nobody has the right to say that about Charlie Cook. I'd be so I'd be so proud to see Israel blowing
up kids in my name. Here is Yaki Lopez. Don't know who that
is, but who cares? Who wrote, "Oh, he's an Israeli official." Yeah,
that makes even more sense. This afternoon in Tel Aviv, Israel remembers # Charlie Kirk and then there's a
picture of some sand castle that someone made. Can we where it says Charlie Kirk
his legacy will continue to shine and there's a cross and a star of David
and then two Israeli flags at the top.
I mean, could you imagine that if you like if you if you died and then people just started trying to use you as an
avatar of things that you didn't actually stand for or represent. I talked about that last night with all
the calls for censorship, or even the broader theory that the
people with blood on their hands aren't just the ones who pulled the triggers, but the ones who speak and give opinions
that inspire that. He was contemptuous of that theory. It's one of the things that he and I like very much had in
common ground. Charlie Kirk was an absolutist free speech defender. There are a lot of people on the right who
claim to be and we've seen over time that many if not most are frauds,
but Charlie Kirk was a genuine free speech advocate and he in that tweet we
read was responding to a lot of the reaction on the right after that couple got killed outside of the Israeli
embassy in May in Washington. And he was like, "Look, I warned this couple. They're beautiful couple. They had all
their lives ahead of them. is a horrible tragedy. The person who killed them should be punished to the maximum extent of the law. But he said, I'm seeing a
lot of conservatives saying it's not just he who has blood on his hands, but also people who demonize Israel or were
against the war, called it a genocide. He was like, no, that's not how it works.
Words are not violence. He said, "Violence is violence. So stop trying to say that people who never engage in
violence have blood on their hands because of their views that they expressed."
And he was telling that to his fellow conservatives in the knowing that this theory is extremely dangerous and has
been weaponized against the right that if you express certain views you're
causing these people to be endangered. You know, the first time I ever encountered that theory, this theory was
back in the 1990s. There was like this spate of murders of abortion doctors.
And you know, they would be in their home and somebody would come and just snipe them or outside their office getting into their car, someone would
just shoot them. And there was this extreme effort by the media and liberals to blame prolife
activists for those shootings. And there was one shooting in 2009 of an
abortion doctor. And this abortion doctor happened to be somebody that Bill O'Reilly frequently
talked about and highlighted on his Fox program because he was a very prolific
uh abortion doctor, but he also performed later term abortions. They were legal, but Bill Riley was morally
opposed to them. And Bill Riley would go on every on the air every night and say that this guy was a murderer.
In fact, his name was Dr. Tiller. And Bill O'Reilly would always say, "Tiller
the killer." And so the media tried saying, "Look, it's not just the guys going and
shooting these abortion doctors. It's the people on TV and the pundit constantly saying abortion is murder and
abortion doctors are murderers. Because if you keep telling people that, of course, it's predictable they're going to go and kill abortion doctors." And
maybe that's true. But Bill O'Reilly didn't tell anybody to go kill anybody. He didn't advocate
violence. There's no view that you could express that doesn't have the possibility that someone listening might not get inspired
to go kill somebody. And it's extremely dangerous to free speech and just to the truth
to try and transfer words into violence to say Bill O'Reilly has the blood on his hands for the murder of abortion
doctors or Tucker Carlson has the blood on his hands from the massacre in Buffalo because the guy who did it wrote
a manifesto talking about the grace replacement theory and they claimed Tucker Carlson also talked about that. It wasn't true. The guy had a totally
different worldview than Tucker. But even if they had identical mindsets, Tucker would not be responsible for that
anymore, then some liberal is responsible because some fanatical fan
of Rachel Matto goes to a softball field where he knows Republican members of Congress are
playing and tries to murder them after having spent two years posting Rachel Maddo clips saying that Russians that
Republicans are Russian agents. You have to separate words and violence. And this was a foundational view of Charlie Kirk.
Now, one of the things that Charlie did recently because he was getting very kind of torn about the Israel issue
because he was somebody who was concerned about anti-semitism. He didn't want opposition to Israel spilling over
into anti-semitism. He also did have a spiritual connection to Israel the way a lot of Christians do
because it's where Jesus was born and died and a lot of other events of that kind that are regarded as holy by Christians.
And at the same time, his America first ideology, his anti-war views
were leading him to also start questioning US support. And he also knew that a lot of
Gen Z conservatives were very much against Israel. And so he kind of
assembled some Turning Point interns and uh other members who are Gen Z to talk
about Israel to try and kind of get to a consensus point about where young conservatives should be. And this is
part of what happened. Resonate with you. Oh, yeah. Exactly. You're not anti-Israel. You don't wish
them harm. You're you're not, you know, like cheering on Iran. No, I I support is I think they're our
ally. I want them. But you would be called an anti-semite by some people for saying this. And I think that's ridicul. I don't hate
Jews because I think a nation should defend themselves. Exactly. Like I I think that's the most
ridiculous thing ever. I feel like it's becoming like the word racism. like we just disagree with them
so we just have to call them a name. I don't think it they're actually anti-semitic. I think people just can't
agree with them and they can't prove them wrong so they just throw a word out and be like you're anti-Semitic for
because you think that we should stop sending our money there. Oh my god. Hallelujah. I didn't realize I forgot that that uh that guy made that
point. So true. He's saying like, "We spent all these years criticizing liberals who just scream racist and
anybody disagrees with them, but now I'm watching all these conservatives scream anti-semite the minute you question whether the US should be supporting
Israel." And you can see Charlie Kirk having being very sympathetic to that view, saying, "Yeah, just because you
don't want the US financing Israel anymore doesn't make you an anti-semite." I see amongst the people I'm around, I
do see more like general disdain towards, I mean, just being honest, Jewish people. That's correct. just because they're
constantly being told that you hate Jews. And it's like, fine. If you're going to say I hate Jews over and over
and over again. Like, if I'm going to be convicted of the crime, I might as well do the crime. I fear the same thing
happens with all the talk of race. The more we talk about it, the more the more racism actually happen.
This is like I try to tell Thank you for saying this. Like because like this is I
try to tell these people and they're like, "We must get more aggressive." And so like let me ask a question. if we were to say if we were to remove like if
people said what Tucker said is anti-semitic I don't hold that view but it's like a lot of people on Twitter are
like calling us out and like if whatever that's not going to happen but um if we
were to cancel Tucker would anti-se anti-semitism increase or decrease I think increase because that means any
supporter of Tucker Carlson's statement therefore makes them anti-semit and association 100%
exactly but the binary that's presented is that if you don't passionately talk about it,
you are a hater. That's probably destructive for everybody involved. So for me, I'm
trying to find this new path, which is I love Israel. I visited there. My wife and I had the best experiences ever. I
saw where Jesus rose from the dead and he walked on water. But also, I'm an American and I represent a generation
that can't afford anything and that we are like flooded with illegals and no one speaks English and our hospitals are
clogged. I think we need to have the prudence to reject the Jew hate. Like, okay, we're not going to put up with
that. That's dumb. But also, if you call everyone an anti-semite if they don't take a puritanical view of the Netanyahu
government, then I think that's it's bad for everybody.
I mean, you can just see him kind of grappling with this issue and he has a bunch of young Turning Point people
there with him saying like, "Yeah, I I'm sick of this. I'm sick of the fact that you can't question Israel without being
accused of being an anti-semite. And like if anything, it's going to make us actually become anti-semites.
And he was pushing back against the saying, we don't want anti-semitism, but what's breeding it is this demand that
you just bow to Israel and cheer Israel and support more money for Israel and more wars for Israel.
That's what Netanyahu is doing. He's jumping into this breach where Charlie Kirk can't speak for him anymore. That's
why monuments are being built in Tel Aviv and his name is being used on missiles and Netanyahu is on TV every
day talking about Charlie Kirk being the greatest friend that Israel has ever had.
Charlie Kirk went on Megan Kelly and I'm showing you this because I want you to see Charlie Kirk speaking for himself
rather than Netanyahu doing it for him. And Megan Kelly uh in particular has
been a stalwart supporter of Israel. Like pretty much the standard conventional view on the right that
Israel is our ally. We should support them. They're in a sea of radical Islam
which is also our enemy. And you know she's a very
fervent supporter of Israel. She has been her whole career in a way that aligns with Fox and fits right in there
and you know that's Megan Kelly has some pretty standard views of foreign policy very much aligned with like the Bush
chain era where she emerged from but she's also been questioning a lot of those. I've been on our show a couple times debating with her and she's very
open to those debates and has started questioning things that she would never have questioned even a year ago.
And Charlie Kirk was doing the same. And as a result of their even slight deviation from
the pro-Israel line, Charlie much more than Megan, but both of them, they started getting accused of anti-semitism
in the Israeli media. Charlie was being attacked as some sort of like in following the footsteps of Tony Carlson
and they were both very angry about it and Charlie K went on and Kelly and they both kind of aired out their anger and
sort of said like look back off or you know you're going to drive people
away from you even more. I I feel the connection to Israel and I but at the
same time simultaneously when the hostile reaction is that now
Megan and Charlie are enemies, right? Boy, I'll tell you like you're you're
you're you're going to you're not going to I won't say lose, but you will weaken and just basically deflate two of your
strongest advocates if that continues. Right. And it to me I laugh because it's like I've been bullied by the best of
them, the best and it it didn't work and
it's not going to work with them. Then the more you try to tell me I can't criticize Israel, the more likely I am
to do it to focus on exactly what you're doing, right? Like what what are you doing that you're so defensive? You
don't own me. I don't I don't take $1 of money from any Jewish affiliated group.
That's not that's never been what what my shows model. I take, you know, Cozy Earth is my sponsor. Uh people like
Genuisell, those are the people I take and I and I probably would feel reluctant to criticize Genuisell, which is a great product, so I probably
wouldn't do it anyway. My point is simply, I have my honest opinions, which
is why I had credibility for the two years I've been defending them, right?
And I still have that credibility. And I don't need lectures from my friends who are more pro-Israel than I am or who are
just American Jewish people who are concerned about what's happening. I don't need lectures on my coverage.
Okay? I'll call it like I see it. And you have no right to come on this show and demand a debate with me because I've
said something you disagree with. It's my show and I'll decide the coverage we do.
Okay. I mean, that was a month ago. I mean, does that sound like Charlie
Kirk is the most stalwart defender of Israel? Here's a little bit more uh from what
they talked about on that day. Got text about you, Megan, saying, "Why is Megan like doing the
bidding of Hamas?" I was like, "What are you talking about? Megan's the best. Like, what? She's amazing." And I said,
"Why are you texting me about Megan?" And at that point, and so this is what
they don't understand. You and I, Megan, and Tucker is in the same category and they've tried to go after Tucker.
Yeah. Is that the And and the more you attack our moral character,
the actually the more we're going to double down into direction because screw you. I don't do it that way. Okay.
Right. Like when Tell me I'm wrong. Cool. Tell me if I've got my facts wrong. By the way, on the Epstein thing,
now Tali Bennett says he was an Epstein agent. We have to be pursuers of truth. They've denied it. Fine. Let's keep digging. Okay. Fine. But the the
by the way, that's another thing. Charlie Kirk was speaking openly about the possibility that Epstein was tied to
the MSA to Israeli intelligence. He wasn't just like wondering about it as one of many instances. He was clearly
uh suggesting that the evidence he's seen is enough to make him strongly suspicious that Epstein was tied to the
Israeli government and to the MSAD. Is this the person that sounds to you
like some is this Ben Shapiro? Is this Barry Weiss? Like some sort of agent or asset of the
Israeli government doing its bidding? There might have been a point where Charlie Kirk was that,
but that isn't who he's been over the last several months.
And don't listen to Netanyahu about Charlie Curry. Listen to what he
says himself. the the thing that I don't think I think is being lost is like on
some part of the population you can scold them into silence right but
if I have any deviation of a purity test any deviation whatsoever such as hosting
a focus group right Megan with a bunch of our students that went viral having Dave Smith or Tucker at my
event it is all of a sudden oh Charlie is a uh he's he's no longer with us and all
that. So, wait a second. What do you mean? What does with us mean? Exact. That's the other thing. The Turning
Point uh annual conference is has become an extremely important stage for
conservatism, especially for young conservatives. And not only did Charlie invite Tucker
to give a keynote speech, which he did, and talked about the wars in Israel and the like
and did it aggressively. I mean, he gave Tucker a major platform
at Turning Point USA despite the fact that Tucker has been under massive attack by Israel and its supporters in
the United States for supposedly being an anti-semite, for not supporting Israel. He also had a debate on Israel where he
invited Dave Smith, the very uh harsh critic of Israel who's
a libertarian and invited some neocon who defended Israel. So there was a lot of questioning of
Israel at the Turning Points conference and that enraged
Turning Points founders and donors rather who are extremely pro-Israel and a lot of people in the conservative
movement. That's part of their what they're reacting to. Exactly. Right. I'm an American. Okay. Like I I I
represent this country and I I don't even understand that paradigm. But Megan, I think you would agree with this
and I want to make sure we fast like really zero in on this personality types
like you, myself, and Tucker. The more that you guys privately and publicly
call our character into question, which is not isolated, right, Megan? It would be one thing if it was one text or two
text. It is dozens of texts. Yes. Then we start to say, "Hold the boat
here." And and to be fair, some of my really good Jewish friends are like, "That's not all of us. It's all But these are leaders, too, though, right?
These are these are stakeholders, right?" So, there you have it. And I find it
utterly obnoxious. Like I said, imagine that you die and you've devoted your life to various political causes.
And in the wake of the emotions left by your your death or your murder, in swoops, Benam Netanyahu to try and
recapture the American right as his little pet to say, "Oh, you love Charlie
Kirk. Well, then do as Charlie did. He was a unwield unyielding and passionate
supporter of Israel and of the American Israel relationship. It's despicable. And I think it's so
transparent that it's unlikely to work on anybody other than people who are already what ready to believe whatever
Netanyahu says and and believes in the pro-Israel uh fanaticism.
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Martyred mascot of racism': Writer tears into 'canonization' of Charlie Kirk
Nicole Charky-Chami
September 12, 2025 4:23PM ET
https://www.rawstory.com/charlie-kirk-2673990166/

People visit a makeshift memorial at Utah Valley University after U.S. right-wing activist and commentator, Charlie Kirk, an ally of U.S. President Donald Trump, was fatally shot during an event at the university, in Orem, Utah. (REUTERS/Cheney Orr)

Nation writer Elie Mystal on Friday tore into some arguments and hot takes surrounding the "canonization" of Charlie Kirk, a MAGA influencer shot dead this week in Utah, cautioning that the "martyred mascot of racism" has distracted people from facing heightened racism and the country's raging gun problem.

"Before the shooting, the biggest story in America was the Supreme Court’s authorization of racial profiling against Latinos. I wrote about it here," Mystal wrote in his column. "After the white media is done celebrating their martyred mascot of racism and bigotry, I hope we can resume our conversation about how the rest of us are forced to live in this white supremacist state."

The writer offered condolences for Kirk and his family, sharing the most recent updates on the suspect, Tyler Robinson, whose motives remain unknown and who is now in custody. He noted that Kirk's last words were “counting or not counting gang violence." And, he recounted how historically Black colleges and universities in Virginia cancelled classes after receiving threats in the fallout.

"To recap, a white man was murdered by another white man for reasons we don’t yet know, but somehow that means Black people have to catch hell," Mystal wrote.

Mystal called out the Yankees for their moment of silence for the right-wing activist and specifically Ezra Klein's recent "unconscionably" titled “Charlie Kirk Was Practicing Politics The Right Way,” dubbing the New York Times opinion piece as the "worst argument of the week," specifically citing his white privilege and shortcomings.

"Klein’s article goes on to condemn political violence," he wrote. "I agree with that, of course. But condemning political violence as an op-ed columnist is a little bit like condemning the French Revolution when you’re a member of the aristocracy. It is in our best interests to condemn the violent murder of public figures, because we all know we might be next. That doesn’t make us empathetic or graceful or more enlightened than the least common denominator on social media, it makes us self-interested."

But Mystal says Klein misses the point — Kirk attacked and denigrated Black people and even threatened the existence of LGBTQ people.

"Moreover, it is entirely possible to condemn political violence and mourn the victims of political violence without lauding the political influence of the victims of the violence. Klein fails that should-be-basic test," he wrote.

"Charlie Kirk represented the very worst American political discourse had to offer, and I wish he were still alive so I could tell that to him, to his face, over and over again. I wish he lived long enough to see everything that he worked to achieve crumble all around him," he wrote.

Mystal argued that Klein ought to pay attention to this.

"You see what I did there, Ezra? It’s really not hard."

For now, Mystal says he's proud to be a Mets fan, saying he wants "people who practice politics to be better than Charlie Kirk. And Ezra Klein."

"All I can do is try to weather the storm. Violent whites have their blood up, and that usually means incredibly bad things for people like me. I’ve got public appearances that I probably need to cancel. I hope to survive this by staying as far away from white folks as I possibly can until their fever breaks."

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Pete Hegseth tells Pentagon staff to hunt for negative Charlie Kirk posts by service members. Several people have already been relieved of their jobs because of their posts on social media, defense officials told NBC News.
by Courtney Kube and Carol E. Lee
Sept. 12, 2025, 4:43 PM MDT
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nation ... rcna230915

WASHINGTON — Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has told his staff to identify any members of the military who have mocked or condoned the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk so that they can be punished, two defense officials told NBC News.

Several service members have been relieved from their jobs because of such posts, the officials said, adding that Hegseth’s directive also pertains to others associated with the Defense Department. It’s unclear exactly how many people have been disciplined.

Hegseth and other senior Pentagon leaders posted messages on X this week calling on the public to report any posts that could be interpreted as negative about Kirk or unsympathetic about his murder.

“We are tracking all these very closely — and will address, immediately. Completely unacceptable,” Hegseth wrote on X Thursday.

His post was in response to Pentagon spokesman Sean Parnell saying on X, “It is unacceptable for military personnel and Department of War civilians to celebrate or mock the assassination of a fellow American.”

“The Department of War has zero tolerance for it,” Parnell added, using the secondary name for the Defense Department.

Many social media users have heeded the call, assisting Hegseth and the Pentagon in finding and flagging posts. Dozens of service members and civilian Pentagon employees have had their posts highlighted and collected under the hashtag #RevolutionariesintheRanks.

Some of the posts in that collection don’t necessarily condone or mock Kirk’s murder but have been viewed as unfavorable — including one that read, “I don’t give a s--- about Charlie Kirk.”

Others have been much harsher. “The hatred you spew is enough to get you what you deserve pal,” one post read.

One U.S. military officer said troops know they are not allowed to condone political violence, but being fired for criticizing a person, particularly a civilian who has no ties to the military, is extremely rare.

“We can’t criticize the commander in chief, but I can’t remember anyone ever telling me we can’t say anything critical about a civilian like this. He was not in our chain of command or anything,” the officer said.

Far-right activist Laura Loomer, a close ally of President Donald Trump, has called for the investigation of an Army major general, saying on X that his son had posted online that Kirk was a “racist homophobe misogynist.”

She said the son works for the Federal Emergency Management Agency, and called on Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem to “fire” him. Loomer also said Hegseth should “review the employment” of his father.

A spokesperson for FEMA said the “employee’s words are revolting and unconscionable” and he “was immediately placed on administrative leave.”

“Celebrating the death of a fellow American is appalling, unacceptable and sickening. Such behavior does not reflect the values of public service, and it will not be tolerated among individuals entrusted to work at FEMA,” the spokesperson said in a statement.

The disciplinary action against the employee was first reported by Fox News.

Asked for comment on the effort to find these social media posts, the Pentagon referred back to Parnell’s statement. “Beyond that, we don’t have anything additional to provide from the Department’s level and we would refer you to the services,” another defense official said.

Kirk, an influential conservative and co-founder of Turning Point USA, was shot dead Wednesday at an event on a college campus in Utah.

Authorities said Friday that Tyler Robinson, 22, of Utah, has been arrested in connection with the killing. He is expected to be charged with aggravated murder, felony discharge of a firearm causing serious bodily injury and obstruction of justice, according to a probable cause affidavit.

Courtney Kube is a correspondent covering national security and the military for the NBC News Investigative Unit.

Carol E. Lee is the Washington managing editor.

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STATE OF THE NATION | What now America? | After Kirk with Chis Hedges and Jackson Hinkle
George Galloway
Streamed live on Sep 14, 2025 Mother of All Talk Shows FULL EPISODE

After the shocking killing of Charlie Kirk, is America heading toward civil war? With political violence escalating and divisions deepening, the question of what comes next is more urgent than ever. Tonight on The Mother of All Talk Shows, George Galloway brings together two of the sharpest voices on U.S. politics to ask: What now, America?



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George Galloway and the mother of all talk shows. Welcome to the Open
University of the Airwaves with George Galloway.
Who killed Charlie Kirk? Why? And what's the reason for? And who killed Donald
Trump's presidency and his hopes of a political dynasty? And who killed the
golden goose in Doha, Katar? And who killed almost onethird of the entire
population of the Gaza Strip. The eagle-eyed amongst you might already
have noticed that the answer to all of those questions might be the same. It is
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George Galloway, the mother of all talk shows. with
George Galloway. The world is our classroom and you're welcome to sit in and join the seminar.
Let me deal first of all with the charge laid by Benjamin Netanyahu, by the ADL
in the United States and by pundits here in the United Kingdom. You don't get to
say that it is anti-semitic to suspect the hand of Israel in the
slaying of Charlie Kirk. Partly because you have slain
assassinated more political leaders than any other
country on the earth just in my lifetime. Don't make me go back to Lord
Mo. Don't make me go back to Count Bernard of Sweden. Don't make me go back
to the British sergeants hanging booby trapped in the orange groves in Jaffa.
Don't make me go that far. Let me just stick to my own political life lifespan.
You Israel have been assassinating people all over the world. all over the
world in Europe, in the Middle East, and further a field all of my political
lifetime. You assassinated almost half of the government of Yemen
just 10 days ago. You don't get to say that it's anti-semitic
to suspect you might have had a hand in assassinating
Charlie Kirk when you told us to marvel at your persip and at your ingenuity,
your engineering skills and your patience when you waited years to
explode every page. are in Lebanon, man, woman, and child. Notwithstanding,
you don't get to say how good you are at killing, but call it anti-semitic
if somebody suspects that you may have killed Charlie Kirk, especially when
there are sundry reasons to suspect that you might. And they're multiplying by
the hour. when you scrubbed or caused to
be scrubbed from YouTube the entirety of
the episode of Charlie Kirk when he openly states that you stood down on
October the 7th that it was an inside job that you were responsible for the
events on October 7. Where is it? Where is it, Mr. YouTube? Who told you to
scrub that edition? That is circumstantial evidence that
Israel wants to disguise the fact that Charlie Kirk, formerly a slavish
supporter of all things Israel and a proponent of some mythical, unbreakable
Judeo-Christian civilization had begun to turn decisively against
you. He had begun to call the Epstein affair for what it is.
He said the Epstein affair is Mosad. Epstein is Mosad. He said, not me, that
he was afraid that Israel might harm him. He said, "Not me, that the
pro-Israel donors who had fattened his Turning Point USA organization to the
tune of $40 million were now abandoning him and threatening him with complete
financial collapse of his organization because he invited Tucker Carlson, the
world's preeminent broadcaster to speak at a turning point event in the course
of the latter part of this year. He said, not me, that it was passing
strange, that it was perfectly permissible to criticize Israel in
Israel, but that he and others like him on the conservative right in the United
States had to be bullied. bludgeoned, browbeaten, bribed, or threatened with
the removal of bribes if they did the same. He said all of these things and
he's not alone. Israel has lost Candens
has lost Tucker Carlson has lost Steve Banner. There is a massive hemorrhage of
support for Israel on the American right. You might say too little. You
might say too late given their whole shtick is supposed to be put America
first. Supposed to be MAGA, not Israel
first, but America first. But that's what's been happening. And there was a
very real fear on the part of Shapiro
and other slaves to Israel in the United States that Kirk with his millions of
followers might go the way of Candens, another conservative figure that used to
love Israel now cannot abide Israel. Might go the way of Tucker Carlson.
might go the way of Steve Bannon. So, you definitely had a motive. Let's be
honest, Mr. Netanyahu. It would have been a catastrophe for you if Kirk's
current late trajectory over the last days and weeks of his all too short life
were to continue down the road that may have turned him into your enemy. And
there's lots of forensic and circumstantial
reasons for believing that the fellow they've got under arrest who the
governor of Utah recently in the last hour or two pointed out has not
confessed to the murder of Charlie Kirk. Therefore, he's the alleged murderer of
Charlie Kirk. There's many questions which I and Jackson Henlle and Chris
Hedges will all be probing over the course of this show this evening. But
some of them are such a standout I really should mention them in the
monologue. You see, when I look at the face of the
man going up the stairs without a rifle, and I look at the face of the guy, the
psy turn him in. His father, a right-wing
Republican MAGA donor, turned him in. Said that he confessed, though the youth
is now denying that. When I look at the two faces
cheek by jaw juxtaposed, I very very much doubt whether these two
faces are the same. When you discover that the fellow who we
are told is the killer was receiving visitors with outofstate
plates in the weeks before the events at the university in Utah. When you look at
the not one but two decoys
that emerged from the crowd in the tumult after the foul assassination.
One of them Zen, a Zionist Jew, saying, "I did it. I did it. Shoot me. Shoot
me." The same man who was convicted under the terrorism acts for falsely
claiming that a marathon was going to be bombed in the aftermath of the horrific
crime that took place at the Boston Marathon some years before. The same man
Zen who says he was an eyewitness
to the horrific terrorist attack on 911
coming under as it is increased scrutiny all the time when you wonder why
in all of Utah not even 1% of the population is Jewish.
Scarcely more will be identifying as Zionist
that of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world Mr. Zen happened
to walk into Charlie Kirk's event and when Kirk was assassinated claim that he
was the assassin and invite people to shoot him. When you consider
the questions over the gun, the questions over where the gun was
procured, the questions over whether discord did display, what the government
in the US claims that it displayed, but which Discord denies ever appeared on
their platform. When you discover that the
bodyguards that were guarding Charlie Kirk were all of them involved in the
most bizarre baseballstyle hand signals in the literal seconds
before the fatal shot was fired. When you consider
the implausibility of this runt Robinson
having scaled a drain pipe, changed his clothes,
picked up a rifle someone had dropped for him that presumably he'd never fired
before, and with one single shot pierced fatally
the vital organ. in the throat of Charlie Kirk. When you
consider the photographs, video of somebody
running with a handgun in the crowd, handgun out in the crowd
in the immediate aftermath of the event. When you consider
the drone which passed over the murder site within 30 seconds
of the fatal shot being fired. When you
recognize that Israel had motive and that Israel had the means and that
Israel had the opportunity, you realize
that there's every reason to suspect the hand of Israel in this crime. As it
happens, I myself don't believe that they were responsible for the murder of
Charlie Kirk. I'm merely saying that you'd be a fool not to entertain
the possibility that they were. Before I go into who I think is responsible,
let me reiterate a point I made a few weeks ago which some have difficulty
understanding and others have difficulty accepting. I believe that to pose the United States
and Israel as alternatives
in anything in everything is to entertain a false dichotomy. You
see, for me, America is Israel and Israel is America. Israel is the 51st
state of America. The MOSAD is the CIA. The CIA is the MOSAD. If you don't
believe the extent to which these two countries have merged, then take a look
at that whailing wall picture from this afternoon where Marco Rubio
supposedly in Israel to read the riot act about the attack on Qatar about
which more in a minute. Huckabe, Rubio,
and Netanyahu. All of them kippered up, kissing that wall again. the abasement
of the United States political class to the iconography of Israel, the
neverending subvention of money and material
between the United States and Israel has effectively
erased any difference that there is in these two states. Having said which, I believe
the American deep state killed Charlie Kirk for the reasons that I have already
given. For the reasons that Charlie Kirk was emerging as a clear and present
danger to them because Charlie Kirk was papabil, he was
potentially presidential. He could have run for president against whomsoever
Donald Trump had in mind to hold the fort until his own children were capable
of taking up the reigns. I believe that they wanted to so such civil discord
in the United States that civil war or the language of civil war or the
legislative program to crush his
political opponents in the United States was a powerful reason why they wanted
rid of the potential ually troublesome priest with a mass congregation of many
millions of collegeaged kids in the United States of America. Just two more
quick things on the subject of coincidences.
Do you know that the first media outfit in the entire world
to broadcast and publish the events in Utah was the Jerusalem Post? And did you
know that both Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu both announced
the death of Charlie Kirk at precisely to the minute the same time? 302.
What's the odds on that? What's the odds on the president of the United States 10
hours time difference away from Tel Aviv
and the prime minister of Israel announcing the death of an American
influencer at precisely 302
each of them at exactly the same time. I've got to move on
because I have to have time for the astounding events that took place in
Doha where there is right now an emergency meeting of Arab and Muslim
leaders to decide how they're going to respond
to an act of base treachery, an act of international piracy, an act of
international terrorism which Israel boasts
as to having carried out. Whose treachery? Israel's treachery. Well, yeah. I mean,
Qatar's been your best friend in the Persian Gulf and for a very, very long
time and more deeply than any of the others and with a good deal less dignity
than their neighbors in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere. So yeah, you betrayed Kata.
But the real act of betrayal was by Donald Trump who left that very same
cutter dripping in gold and emeralds and
pearls as gifts from the very rulers of Qatar
that he willfully allowed Israel to strike with its
missiles just the other day. and then took off metaphorically in his new $400
million airplane given to him as a present from
the very rulers that Israel has just utterly and ritually humiliated. Much
much more coming up over the course of the next two hours. It's the mother of
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Let's go to our old friend Declan in Dublin, uh, who's online, too. Go ahead, Declan.
Uh, right, George. Um, there's a very big protest in the town of Thai Bay, the
last Christian village on the West Bank. If they lose this, they are finished in
the Holy Land. I'd like to take take the chance to salute Francesca Albenezi, who
is the greatest woman, I think, of of our generation. And the hope is that
there are other Franciata Albanesees out there who will do something because the
western churches, the Catholic Church especially and the other main churches
are doing absolutely nothing for their co-religionists in the Holy Land just
like they did nothing for them in Syria or in Iraq. They don't even talk about them, never mind do anything. And all these
Christian politicians and all these Christian leaders and most of the
Christian clergy haven't done or said even jack to come to their aid. They're
not Christians. Most of these politicians when they say they're Christians that
are count your spoons or better still count the burning Christian houses.
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The one and only Jackson Hank, one of the great influencers for the better of
people in the United States and increasingly around the world. He's a political analyst and he's the host of a
great show called Legitimate Targets. Jackson, welcome back. We didn't expect
to uh see you again quite so soon, but you're right at the best place to
analyze the importance of what happened uh to Charlie Kirk and to speculate for
we are all entitled to speculate. uh as to who might have done it and why
they might have done it. Well, thank you for having me back on
the show. Um I have a lot of questions obviously that I've been airing out on
my Twitter. I wouldn't dare do that on this platform because sometimes uh there
are questions known as forbidding questions that you're not allowed to ask on certain platforms. Um, but
individuals like Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, Mike Cernovich, uh, and the
great journalists Max Blumenthal and Ana Parmill at the Grey Zone have been
documenting what they were witnessing in the months and weeks leading up to this
tragedy in Utah, which was a war of epic proportions going on behind the scenes
involving at its center Charlie Kirk as well as US President Donald Trump, uh,
Netanyahu, the state of Israel, and the state of Israel's closest allies in the
United States who happen to be donors to Charlie Kirk's TPUSA organization.
Unfortunately, uh, for those donors and those who seek to spread the message of
the Zionists in the United States, Charlie Kirk was beginning to wake up to
what was really going on with Israel and the rest of the world. and he was challenging this publicly to a lesser
extent privately uh to a great extent even doing it directly face to face US
President Donald Trump amid the 12-day war uh with Iran when Trump was
considering striking Iran. Uh Charlie Kirk paid a very large price for this in
the sense that his donors cancelled on him. They threatened that they would do
that and that's exactly what they did after Charlie Kirk said he was going to host Tucker Carlson and Dave Smith at
the annual Afest convention in December of this year. Now, I'm not necessarily
coming on your broadcast to say that this story and the many other facets that go along with it are connected to
the tragedy in Utah this week. But I do find it extremely suspect that anyone is
out there telling us that we're not allowed to ask any questions about this given that in the last interview Charlie
Kirk did with Ben Shapiro, he asked Ben Shapiro, don't you think we should be allowed to question Israel? He asked him
six questions about that. And personally, I think we should all do exactly what Charlie was saying and do
just that. Amen to that. We'll come back to some of
these key differences that were clearly emerging. Uh he's obviously a man, he
was obviously a man of some courage. Uh he faced down Donald Trump and had a
shouting match, a one-way shouting match with Donald Trump shouting at him over
the uh Iran uh war. He was opposed to it
as you say. But uh these are not the only questions you've been asking. And I
think millions of people are asking. It's a bit of a stretch, isn't it? Uh to
believe that this fellow who was changing his clothes uh like some kind
of chameleon uh who first had a gun, then didn't have one, then did have one, then didn't have
one, had a gun that was left for him by someone else. Therefore, he was firing
it uh for the first time that particular uh weapon uh and who left no trace, no
fingerprints, uh no DNA despite all the changes of
clothes on the roof, before the roof and after the roof
suddenly and helpfully is intercepted by
uh decoys or stooges who are seeking to
divert the attention of the security forces. All kinds of things don't really
pass the smell test in this affair. Am I right?
You are right. There there's too much to even cover in one segment, I think, here. Um, a and the real shame is the
FBI is not taking the time to answer any of the questions that you just brought
up uh or the questions that go beyond that even. Um, they've been very tight-
lipped and they did mention one thing though. The FBI came out a few days ago
and said that foreign intelligence had assisted in the investigation that was ongoing regarding uh this tragedy in
Utah. no updates on which foreign intelligence, what intelligence was
provided, if any, if the intelligence personnel were on the ground in the United States, uh whether they were
handling any evidence, so on and so forth. Um, but yes, there's many
questions about the suspect, who by the way was uh, you know, was just exposed
by the governor of Utah, Governor Cox. He came out and said that this suspect
is in fact not cooperating and he is not admitting guilt in this incident. So
that draws even more questions. Uh, of course you mentioned the chameleonike
character of the switching of the clothes. Why is it that there is absolutely no CCTV footage or security
camera footage of the suspect with the Mouser uh boltaction rifle? Um why if he
disassembled the rifle, was it reassembled in the wooded area near the school? I don't know. I I have a lot of
questions about this. Also, one more thing, the former deputy director of the FBI came out uh just two days ago and
said that initially Kosh Patel's FBI claimed that the the suspect was wearing
tactical gear uh during this tragedy during the incident and seemingly I
guess he changes clothes again because there's no footage of him wearing this tactical gear. We only have the photos of him wearing the black clothes. So,
I'm like uh I'm left wondering like a lot of people what what is really going on here?
Help us, Jackson, for those who are not in the United States, not with the
zeitgeist that you are as a a young political figure of some note. Uh we
don't know who's who, many of us in the United States. What was Charlie Kirk and
how did he differ from other important
figures on the right? Well, it's a important question. Charlie
Kirk is a man who was uh deeply involved in politics from a young age. He started
Turning Point USA which is a predominantly uh you know university uh
age organization. its members are all across the country. Uh if I'm not
mistaken, there there's thousands of these chapters of this organization all across the United States and they have
chapters outside the United States in different countries. So it's really an international organization
of young people who promote traditional values and are described as
conservative. Uh the the key point here though is that through this organization
he built the infrastructure amongst the youth that rallied Donald Trump to his
election victories. Donald Trump said as much um after he won the 2024 election.
And as you correctly pointed out at the start of this segment, it would be no mistake to say that Charlie Kirk would
in fact run for president one day if he wanted to. he'd had the capability, the infrastructure, the donors behind him to
do it and he could very well win. Uh he was groomed, I would say, from a young
age by the Zionist lobby. He visited Israel many times. He was a very uh
staunch advocate of the Zionist cause. He uh really was one of the main
proponents amongst youth of Judeo-Christian values as they call it. And that's why so many people were
shocked to find out these new revelations that are being aired out by Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, who are
both very close were very close friends of Charlie about how that relationship soured, why it soured, and how Charlie
was fearful about what was to come uh given the fact that he was a a very big
Zionist for uh the right-wing youth movement in the United States.
Now, Donald Trump's behaving very strangely over the whole thing. Uh,
asked about it the next morning about the death of a young man who had given
his whole life really to uh the Donald Trump cause uh about whom he'd spoken so
eloquently the night before. Uh he was asked how he was coping with the death
of his uh young friend. Uh he said, "Okay, I guess uh we're we're
concentrating on our new ballroom. It's going to be wonderful. It's going to be
uh Bigly. It's going to be the best ballroom in the world and all of his
usual hyperbole." And then he went to a ball game and he was literally disco
dancing uh and pouting. Uh, how
devastated is Donald Trump by this turn of events?
I think Donald Trump is fearful. And that's not me saying that. Uh, I think
this, you know, is something that shocked him to his core. I don't think Donald Trump is the type of guy that
necessarily knows how to handle something like that. uh he's usually not in a position where he has to be fearful
of anyone or anything. Now, what I suggest everyone here uh do
is at some point after this uh live stream ends, go to the gray zone and
read the article that was published by Max Blumenthal and Ana Parmill because the source that they cited in this
article was not just a close friend of Charlie Kirk, but also a Trump White
House insider. And this source went on record, I guess anonymously went on
record to say that the Trump White House and Trump himself is fearful of
Netanyahu that not too long ago uh the Secret Service caught Israeli
intelligence playing placing electronic devices on the emergency response vehicles of uh their own cars. And this
source also said that they do not believe the official FBI story about what is going on right now. And they
believe that there were outside powerful forces responsible for what happened. Max Blumenthal uh stated that in his
conversation with Tim Dylan just yesterday. So I think Trump is fearful and he doesn't know what to do.
So what happens next? Um, some of these idiots, uh, so-called leftists in
America, openly glorying in the slaughter of a young man in front of his
wife and children, scarred forever for life, uh, glorying about the the death
of a fascist, uh, murdered in cold blood. They don't
seem to realize that the next guy murdered in cold blood might be somebody
they approve of, somebody they support, or even them themselves. Are we about to
enter into a maelstrom of tit fortat violence? Are we heading towards civil
war in America? I sure hope not. But uh myself, Hazald
Dean, the chairman of the American Communist Party, who's a close friend of mine, he has been uh we've been we've
all been predicting that this is kind of where America is headed. Um you a lot of
people talk about uh you know, civil war, this sort of thing, but I don't
think anyone has any real conception of what that would look like uh in today's day and age. It wouldn't look like two
conventional armies facing off against one another. It would kind of look like what we witnessed this week. It would
look like what the streets of Chicago look and sound like on a nightly basis
uh or Philadelphia or Los Angeles or New York for that matter. It would look like sporadic violence happening left and
right. Most people's normal lives would continue as they do. Uh but you might
have a breakdown of essential services of society as you know it to a certain
degree and there would be more and more chaos and more and more of this violence
happening all throughout the country. And maybe if it reaches a c certain fever pitch, you might even have certain
armed groups, factions that uh take shape and have different power centers
across the country, different gangs, different uh militias, different political organizations.
And I think this is a result of America's failure to address uh the root
causes of these issues that the American people are facing. Why are we waging all these wars? It's what you've always been
saying. We've always been saying, why not focus on the issues that matter to average people instead of the issues
that matter to the top 1% of our country?
Well, take care of yourself. Jackson Heno, political analyst, host of Legitimate Targets. Make sure you're not
a target. We need you. Uh, after the Charlie Kirk killing, is the US heading
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[Music] Well, this poll is going through the
roof. 30,187 now, and it's very, very close. After
the Charlie Kirk killing, is the US heading to civil war? On Telegram, 54%
say yes. But on X, 46% say yes. On the YouTube community poll, 51%
say yes. 50% say yes on the YouTube stream and 45%
say yes on Patreon. Get voting. Let's have a very big poll indeed. Let's take
two calls right off the bat. Robert is in Hawaii on Charlie Kirk. Go ahead,
Robert. Hey, George. Um, I just wanted to say there's like first of all, I love your
show. Um, it's my first time calling and I, you know, like everybody else, I was
watching all the stuff that happened with Charlie. And one of the things that stop that I found out and I heard was
that um that elderly gentleman, George Zinn, who was he's the one that was
flailing around saying, "Shoot me, shoot me." Um, I guess internet Sleuth found out
that he also made a call uh he was in 911 and he made a call that the planes
hit the building and he also made a call um in 2013 in Salt Lake City during the
marathon of a bomb threat after the Boston City Marathon bombing. Um he was
arrested but he was never charged probation after making a bomb threat. So
he got a guy that got left off easy and that was like one of the things I saw. So he seems like he that guy is an actor
and the internet found out about him and so um it was sort of it's the same
thing as when um in the great that Greyzone article your last guest was talking about how that
Charlie may have been warned um not to platform Dave Smith. And if you watch that video with Dave Smith, there's
definitely a Zionist on the other side and then Dave Smith's on one side, but Charlie Kirk um let Dave Smith say his
peace and just let him talk. And I think that could be definitely one of the reasons. And I'm in Hawaii and seeing
the Lahina fires and all the things that happened with that um was one of the
things that started me down the road, I guess you could say, to the deep state. And so I started watching all the stuff and watching shows like yours um and be
like Dr. John Campbell is also um an English uh doctor that you guys have on.
I don't sure if you guys have him on. He's on YouTube and he'll talk about like co and stuff like that too.
Okay, thanks for that, Robert. We have actually had him on uh although I think uh I think YouTube probably took the
video down. Now, you can leave comments on uh if you're watching on YouTube, you
can scan the QR code right now and leave a comment. I'll try and read out as many as I can. Refused says, "A major
influencer among young conservatives starts to shift his perspective on
Israel to becoming more critical." Tells a friend he's afraid Israel may
assassinate him. And lo and behold, he is murdered. Uh, Olabi Raheem says,
"There will never be a civil war in America because the killer of Charlie Kirk is the chief administrator of the
United States of America government." And Al Katon says, "I don't agree with
Charlie Kirk, but I do agree with freedom of speech." And Pebbles Macan
says, "Candice and Tucker have not lost. On the contrary, they have become more prominent after Kirk's assassination.
And Arctic Koki says Kirk was losing his unquestioning loyalty to Israel. They
preferred to remember him as he was. Let's go to Minnesota where Abdi wants
to talk about the same thing. Go ahead Abdi. George, how are you buddy?
Salamah. Go ahead, bro. Yeah, I wanted to give you our
perspective. um as in minority African immigrants
living in the United States, Charlie Kirk, even African-Americans, most of
them, 98.999% think of him as a scumbag who try to use
a platform of racism a company with MAGA hat and at the end
he got what he deserved mostly. That's what we that's what we believe. It has
nothing to do with being leftist or rightist. There were two senators that was murdered in my own state few months
ago, Minnesota. Nobody talked about it. the guy who killed them, our gunpoting
mega guy who didn't like their policies and what they stood for in the state of
Minnesota. Charlie Kirk, now I can come back and we can say, you know what, uh,
to be honest with you, as soon as I was listening to your opening statements, I had my eyes a lot wider open. And now,
come to think about it, I think Donald Trump's back is against the wall. And he
was told, "Donald, you scratch my back, I scratch your back. I'm going to go bomb uh Qatar, they so Arabs cannot say
to me and I'm going to do this for you. So you give me the go ahead and I'm
going to take care of that little kid for you because like that caller said lately he has somehow shifted his ideas
of even the mega point like talking points and is talking points and he was
kind of like coming into like census like Tucker uh the one in uh the one
from Fox News I think his name is Tucker Kum he was coming back to the census and that's exactly what he deserved from a
minority point of knew he was against our existence. He has called a United
States ter may maybe so Abdi uh is no longer here
of course to defend himself. Uh and uh I'm not in a position to uh secondguess
what you say about the African-American and minority attitude to his death. But
I just caution you uh that once you start shooting each other, once your
leaders are shot and killed, uh there's no guarantee that the others
who will be shot and killed will be people that you dislike will be people
that you uh despise. There's every possibility that people you love will be
killed. There's every possib possibility that in a tit for tat uh very prominent
people uh that you like in the United States maybe beyond the United States
will be next once it's open season on other people's political leaders that
whenever they appear in public they can be murdered in plain sight then there's
no end to that an era of political violence will not end well for uh people
like you Abdi. Uh it will not end well because the other side have got most of the guns. The other side have got most
of the police and military training. Uh the other side have got most of the deep
state on their side. So beware is what I'm saying of what you wish for. Beware
of an era in which the blood flows in
America. Abdi in Minnesota with a very provocative point of view. Let's hear
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news on the Charlie Kirk killing. Go ahead, Simon.
Worldwide audience. I'll whilst I'll tangentally um give you some more
information about that incident, I would like very much to take a look at the global goings on as you and I so often
do because as usual the focus is being directed like any good illusionist would
do away from the other major major events that are occurring particularly
in the Middle East. So it should be noted following on from Mr. Hinkle's
comments about how Charlie Kirk had been espousing in the past um these kind of
Judeo-Christian and pro-Zionist sentiments. He had had quite significant
breakings from that in recent months. And so a a lot of the MAGA youth are now
going down the track of a conspiracy theory that has some elements of
evidence to it that he was actually assassinated
by the operatives of the Israeli government.
If any substantiation for that transpires, that is going to take away
the final 25% of American youth that actually still
support Israel. the large body of public opinion that does that averages it out
currently to around 50 to 55% support for Israel which during the course of
the genocide has massively fallen is indeed the boomers okay the people in
the generation 65 plus so if the turning
point USA right-wing conservative youth take the belief, even if it's not
wellounded, that it's actually a Zionist conspiracy to take revenge against
Charlie Kirk from breaking from their fold. It doesn't really matter whether
it's proven in a court of law or not. That will be very, very significant
indeed. Now, at the same time, Marco Rubio, the American Secretary of
State, is in Israel right now. Okay.
We've had Senator Graham on television in the United States this morning
confirming that he's now going to pursue his bill in the US Senate that would
empower President Trump to levy massive sanctions, secondary sanctions against
China and India and Brazil. bearing in mind that the tariff powers that he's
been relying upon have been ruled unconstitutional twice and we're now
going to have expedited review with the legal papers presented in October and
oral arguments likely to be in November such that we could actually potentially
have a decision before Christmas. And as he said when he went on television on
Friday, that could require the United States to refund a trillion dollar of
tariffs. But not only that, if he's made loads of small importers go out of
business because they've lost their competitive advantage in the United States by bringing in cheap imports and
reselling them mail order. There could be hundreds of billions of dollars of
damage claims for that which completely blow apart the US budget for this year.
Bearing in mind we've just started and we're now on a countdown to a government
shutdown in 2 weeks. Okay. So these are the big picture things that are
occurring now. Trump is going very soon and I'm sure you'll be there waving your flag to meet with King Charles and
obviously Karma again. Karma's single highlight of his foreign policy
achievements for his 12 months or 14 months to date is the free trade
agreement with India. If Trump comes in and says, "Our framework agreement that
hasn't been signed, hasn't been approved by Congress, hasn't been approved in the houses of parliament, I'm going to walk
away from that unless you put 100% tariffs on Indian goods, which
completely blows apart the UK India free trade agreement, bearing in mind that
they're on the final negotiations of an EU India free trade agreement as well."
And the key word here is trust. Now, he may well have put out on True Social
that he wants the European Union and other nations to put 100% tariffs on
India and China in order to force them to stop supplying goods that can be used
in the Russian defense industries and to stop buying Russian energy supplies.
Okay? He wants all the other countries to gang up and put 100% tariffs on China
and India. But if Britain and or the EU do that, right? Let's say the Ukraine
war gets a negotiated settlement in the next 12 months. Hypothetically, if they
have followed American instructions and put on 100% tariffs, not only will have
they harmed their own economies, not only will they have caused turbo inflation that will have affected their
individual voters, but they will have destroyed the trust built up over decad
very very hard one negotiations with those countries. And even if Trump says, "Okay, now you
can take your 100% tariffs off because we have some kind of ceasefire in
Ukraine, you've undone a decade of long technical
negotiations with India and China for both Britain and the EU. How do you
rebuild that broken trust, which is exactly what has happened with Qatar?"
As I've explained to you before, the Gulf cooperation countries, the six of
them are members of the NATO Istanbul Cooperation Initiative. They're ex
they're in a very very privileged defense arrangement with NATO like the
Republic of Korea, Japan, Australia, and New Zealand. And the trust there has
been shattered. We have the emergency ArabIslamic
summit meeting in Doha today with the foreign ministers and tomorrow with the
heads of government. And you and I sir are in agreement that those are talking shops and often have no definitive
outcomes. But it should be noted that the Iranian foreign minister flew to Egypt, met with the Egyptian president
before the meeting started today. The Egyptian president, Mr. Alizi, has now
called for a Arab version of NATO, not against Iran, but to defend against
Israel. The Iranians have come out. The plates uh yeah, the the plates are
shifting. I I've got to draw it uh to a halt because it's the hour uh Simon, but
thanks for your typical eloquence and arudition. I've got to talk to a legend.
It's Chairman Hos in London on Kirk. He's the last caller of this hour at
least. Chairman Hos, fire away. First of all, thank you. Thank you for
having me, George. Um, so a couple of things I wanted to say to you, George, that on the Charlie Kirk thing,
all I can say to you is JFK was killed in such a manner to sear it into
everyone's brain. The Zbruna film created a a manifestation in people's
minds of how lost hope a president that was potentially a game changer was
looking for peace. and they murdered him in such a way that it was seared into a
generation's worth of life. Charlie Kirk is not the president, but he was in a killbox. George, what I want
to ask you is this. Do you think it's possible the investigation that goes into this will
look into the three or four men who are standing there in a box around him who
are on their phones doing hand signals, doing signals that you would use if
you're in the military to basically pull a pull put basically an action or an
assassination on a target. That's what we were looking at. the guy to his right with the cap on who does a signal. Then
the guy who's in front of him to the left does a signal, touches his shoulder. Then the guy directly behind him with the green top off. Then there's
the guy to the directly to the right of him who does his movements. And these guys, all of them, every single one of
them knows that there is going to be a shooting because they don't react in a way like everyone else in the crowd
does. They're expecting something. So when you turn around and say Tyler Robinson is the guy that's done it, this
was a military operation just like JFK. It was an assassination that was planned
at the highest levels of the deep state. Don't call it Israel because America did
not kill JFK with just Israel. They this was a deep state operation. This was the
American government telling its people, you get to do what you're told, and if
you don't, this is what we do to you. We execute you. That's what's happened here. And they've murdered a young man
who was on the turn. He was no longer supporting Israel. He hated Benjamin
Netanyahu, looked at him as a bully, and he saw what was happening in Gaza. And you got to bear in mind Candace Owen had
that journey and she walked away from Israel and Charlie was doing exactly the same thing. The last thing they need is
a guy that's got 3,500 university campuses that follow him around like a god potentially could be
the next like you know an and a US president. You've got to kill him before he does anything and turns on you. And
that's what they've done. They've assassinated a young man who has the potential to be something absolutely
life-changing for Americans and he had turned his back on Israel. He refused $40 million from BB Netanyahu. He did
not want to have anything else to do with him. That's those are just my thoughts and I just want to throw them in there and if anyone can please let's
find these four guys and ask them what the hell they're doing with these uh hand actions that they've got in place.
That's it. George. Well, uh, now that we know, uh, Hos that the the only evidence against this Tyler
Robinson is the evidence of his father, uh, that he confessed to him. There's no
other evidence. Uh, Tyler Robinson is now pleading not guilty. He's denying
it. Uh, he's not admitting involvement. And I'm struggling to see what other
evidence other than the father turning him in the there is. I myself don't
believe that the shot necessarily, the fatal shot, not saying there wasn't a
shot fired from the roof. I think ballistically, uh, there was, but I'm not at all
convinced that that's what the that was the shot that killed him. um not at all
convinced that the shot came from that angle and uh struck his jugular vein uh
with a one shot accuracy. I'm not at all convinced of that. I think that there's
every reason looking at the action of his shirt uh uh from the blast. Uh it
doesn't go uh left to right or right to left. It goes top to bottom. His shirt
goes up as if uh a bullet uh struck him
on his bulletproof vest and the shock of it threw the t-shirt up and the bullet
traveled upwards and punctured the neck.

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Uh I know something about firearms. Uh
well, more than something uh as I've said to you before, I could strip an SLR
in the dark in a blindfold and reassemble it. And I have done. And if I did do, the scope wouldn't have been so
far forward that anyone shooting it would have one hell of a black eye.
Thanks for that, Hos. One more call before the break. Go on then, Tom in New
York on Charlie Kirk. Go ahead, Tom.
Good evening. Good afternoon, uh, George. Um, very sad week. U for, first of all, condolences to Charlie Kirk's
family. Uh, thank you very much for the perspective and the baseball hand signals. I had not seen those right
before his assassination. I'd only seen the part um, you know, when he was shot.
So, I'm going to look more online on that. and I remember you from talk sport and WBI along with you know Richard Wolf
and I believe in free speech and I'm afraid with this action plus what's going on in the UK that free speech can
be restricted. Uh I also want to add it's also the saddest week of the year because it was September 11th a few days
ago. I had interviewed for a job in the World Trade Center and I was fortunate
not to get a job there. My prospective manager, Jonathan, got jet fuel on his shirt from the second plane which hit a
couple floors above. He was lucky to get out, but four people from that company died on that tragic day. Uh, I meant to
have coffee with my friend uh Chappelle Shocker um after our Windows 2000 cl Windows class
ended in June of 2001. I said, "I'll see you in September when the Exchange email
class um starts." And you know what? I never saw again. And I wanted to note
that more people have died from September 11th illnesses than in the World Trade Center and on 911 itself.
Over 50,000 people have cancer and other diseases. One of my former co-workers died from cancer. Two of my friends have
spots on their lungs. Uh I am enrolled in the World Trade Center Health Program. In 2018, I saw a woman with her
hole in her throat at a World Trade Center health uh program meeting. And so I want to thank you for speaking out all
these years against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan because we not only have to remember
every life is precious. Charlie Kirk, George Floyd, the people that died in Afghanistan, Iraq, in Syria, Gaza,
Ukraine, everywhere. And when somebody says, you know, you had the call earlier from Abid, and I don't want to get too
emotional about it, but every life is precious. you know, when somebody dies, I mean,
it they're gone. So, I just wanted to note that for the perspective. I'm gonna go I'm going to go more
Well, it's good that you did that. Uh it's a pretty awesome uh a pretty awesome call, uh Tom uh reminding us of
uh how somber uh this week has been and
how somber it has been in history. Also, we talked Gatra and I on Wednesday about
9/11 1973 when the US overthrew the popular Chilean president Salvador
Yende. You've brought up as is quite right the thousands of people who died
on 911 2001 and pointed out that many
more have died since then from uh the
the illnesses, the sicknesses and even the trauma of what they uh went through.
Uh so uh it's a very significant somber
week and I hope that we are marking it suitably. We've got one of the statesmen
of the United States, Chris Hedges, coming up after the break and I'm sure
that he will add to the importance of this occasion. Chris Hedges coming up.
Stay tuned. I'll be back in a minute. [Music]
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to contradict the point that I just made that every person alive today was born
of woman. So why would we say
that the people in the labor wards in the maternity units are people who are
giving birth? Why can't we say women? Why can't we say mothers? Why can't we
say women who are breastfeeding? Mothers who are breastfeeding? Why do we need to
say people who are chestfeeding? All of these words and indeed all of the
trend that you say you dissociate yourself from transgenderism, transmania I call it are
all taking rights away from women.
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Hedges report joins us now. Thanks uh Chris. Good to see you again. pretty
momentous events around the Charlie Kirk affair. Many people think I'm one of
them. There are more questions than answers at this immediate point in time.
But it's quite likely that the American right will seize the initiative now,
seize the opportunity now to introduce a new wave of uh draconian uh uh measures.
They're talking about a Charlie Kirk act. What might we expect from a
re-energized American right? Yeah. Well, you're very right. uh it's a
very seinal moment and a very ominous moment for all of us in the United States. We have already seen uh movement
for instance uh there's a bill uh in Congress provision sponsored by uh Brian
Mast in the House from Florida that gives will give the secretary of state
Marco Rubio uh the power to revoke uh US passports from citizens if they're
deemed to have uh provided material support for what are called terrorist
groups. We've seen uh how this has played out in the UK with Palestine
action. Of course, uh we saw Rubio strip a Turkish doctoral student of her visa
uh essentially for an opinion piece. She wrote on a college uh newspaper. Uh we
have uh seen uh this uh provision that was uh uh profered by Tom Cotton,
Senator Tom Cotton uh in November of 2023 uh essentially charging mainstream press
organizations, the Associated Press, CNN, the New York Times, Reuters over images, over photographic images largely
taken by freelancers of what happened on October 7th. Uh Trump of course has vowed to go after
the quote unquote radical leftists. Uh you've had calls among the right to
essentially block uh anybody who celebrated the death of Kirk and this of
course I think is a very easy uh way to go after anybody who criticizes Kirk.
We've seen people removed from their jobs MSNBC and others. So yes, it's an extremely ominous moment and it has
given the far right essentially the green light in the name of Kirk's
martyrdom uh to all of these things as you well know were already in process to
essentially accelerate the snuffing out of what's left of our rather anemic
democracy. It's a kind of rush stag fire, isn't it?
Uh Hitler seized the opportunity of the richag fire to uh pass the enabling act,
dismantle the parliament, dismantle all political parties, seize complete power.
Uh it's not entirely fanciful to think that Trump and those around him might
try the same thing in the US. Yeah. Well well that it it's probably
won't be quite as swift. Uh I mean remember if you go back there was the
assassination of a German diplomat. I I was 37 or 38 whenever Crystal Knock was
in Paris and uh and that was used as the excuse to go after uh the Jews in
Crystal Knock burn you know destroying businesses setting them a light etc. Um
it is a it is a moment like that. It's like the Reich stag fire. see it. Uh you
see tens of millions of Americans cheering uh messages on social media for
vengeance. Steve Bannon calls this war. Uh yeah, I think it's a very a very
frightening moment and I uh expect all of this to come sooner rather than later. Let's not forget ICE, the
creation of these mass goons, this kind of paramilitary force under Trump's big
beautiful bill. uh they will receive more money than all other domestic law enforcement agencies, federal law
enforcement agencies combined. Uh these will be massive detention centers built
throughout the United States. And if anybody thinks that those are going to be reserved for undocumented workers,
they're extremely naive. Well, Elon Musk uh in a video to uh a
right-wing protest in London, a very big one uh yesterday, uh told the British to
prepare for such a war also. So, uh two countries no longer divided by a common
language but united by the political forces that are in play. Um it's a very
troubling prospect and but it's also for those of us of a certain cast of mind uh
a motive for the state to have done this themselves
uh to have arranged this themselves. In other words, to to arrange a sacrificial
lamb in uh Charlie Kirk. And many people are suspicious of that. Are you?
I I'm not in this particular case. I mean, sometimes these movements I mean for instance, let's take the
assassination I referred to in the 30s. The Nazis weren't behind it, but they capitalized on it. Uh I mean we don't
know is I mean what we do know which is interesting George is that there had been a rupture between Charlie Kirk and
his uh Zionist donors and his movement was like Bari Weiss and these others
figures is funded by these very very wealthy Zionist donors in the United States. uh his base. We see it in the
polling so that even uh young uh far-right or you know Republicans,
whatever you want to call them, youth are not buying into uh the genocide. And
Charlie had made statements right before his death criticizing Israel and the genocide. Apparently, according to the
reporting in the Greyzone by Max Blumenthal, there had been meetings between him and his Zionist donors,
quite acrimonious meetings. Uh so and then of course what what you saw
immediately was Netanyahu and the Zionist capitalizing on his death
essentially papering over. Apparently uh Kirk had quite acrimonious uh contact or
words with Netanyahu himself who apparently issued threats uh against him
and his movement if he didn't line up behind uh the Zionist project and the genocide. So, uh, there's, uh, that it
will be weaponized is without question. It already is being weaponized. Uh, and it'll be weaponized on behalf of the
Zionists. Uh, I mean, the Zionists have used anti-semitism on college campuses and in the media as a kind of trope uh,
to essentially shut down all forms of disscent. And that's what we'll see here. So uh I mean that's the the final
irony is that apparently Kirk had had uh essentially broken with the Zionist
movement at the time of his death. And will it work? Uh is there any
counterveailing force? Anyone going to stand up to to this uh enabling act kind
of me uh atmosphere? No. The Democratic Party is utterly
supine. I mean it's a corpse in essence. You see it ever since Trump was elected.
Uh they have uh you know been completely either acquiescent uh or uh surrendered
in the face of this onslaught. I mean their response is you know to to mount a legal suit or in the words of Chuck
Schumer the minority leader in the Senate send a sternly worded letter. Uh they have the power to shut down the
government by not funding it. uh they've already uh given up on that. I think it's about three weeks it comes up
again. I don't think they'll do it. Uh that's the problem. We've seen the university surrender. Even the
mainstream media has surrendered. CBS is uh about to appoint Barry Weiss, this
fervent Zionist who spews all sorts of Islamophobic hate speech as the head of
the news division. It's kind of staggering. So uh the institutions that
are tasked with protecting democracy uh have already become so corroded that at
a moment of crisis they'll I fear become largely ineffectual
and is there any shock to the system? Uh, I mean, I I had to laugh despite the
seriousness of it, uh, at the governor of Utah saying, "We had hoped that this
would turn out to have been done by foreigners or at least by minorities,
but it turns out it was done by one of us." What's the shock to the system of
that? Right. And let's be clear, he did that while standing next to the director of the FBI, Cash Patel, who's an Indian
immigrant. Um, well, that's a kind of open admission of the war on people of
color and in particular on immigrants that has embraced been embraced not only by the Trump administration, but wide
sectors of the public, including of course Kirk. Uh, uh, what's the shock to
the system? Uh the shock to the system is that one of their own got taken down.
Uh I I think that that the the you know that certainly hit home, especially Trump having survived two assassination
attempts and that has green light. But what we're going to see is violence and in particular vigil vigilante violence
carried out against those who were demonized for uh Kirk's assassination.
There's already a website up with thousands of names uh called I think it's called kirk kirksmurderers.com
or something uh and the with pictures with the pictures of these people. So I
think these are clearly just targetless. I think what's coming is going to be very very frightening and we go back and
look at the kind of chaos spawned by the red brigades in Italy or something. That's kind of what I fear we could see.
Well, it's sure frightening me, uh, Chris, as you describe it. Uh, can we turn, uh, using your expertise, former,
uh, Middle East, uh, chief for the New York Times, Puliter Prize winner, to the
events in the area. The, uh, it there are new figures. I I'm not sure I can
believe them. They are so horrific. I just don't want to believe them. that
31% of the population of Gaza has been killed in 2 years. Uh whatever number it
is, it's vastly higher than the figure that most people have got in their mind
and of course uh almost unquantifiably bigger than the number of people killed on uh October 7th. Is this killing just
going to go on and on until there's nobody left to kill?
Yeah. Or they they're already building in essence large concentration camps uh
patrolled by the IDF and these mercenaries in the so-called Gaza Humanitarian Foundation. Well, the
numbers are clearly much higher. I mean, even the IDF now is saying 200,000. Uh
but I know just anecdotally as probably you do. I I worked in Gaza quite a bit that colleagues and friends who we would
hear from sporadically uh we just don't hear from anymore. And then other friends and colleagues who have had uh
whole family members of their families wiped out because when they take down an apartment building uh and they don't
recover the bodies, these people are don't end up in the morgs or the hospital. So they're not counted as dead. So there's no question that the
numbers are exponentially higher, probably in the hundreds of thousands without question. Uh in terms of what
Israel will do, uh Israel has made it very clear. They don't hide it. Uh the
goal is to remove the entire population of Gaza, uh ethnically cleanse Gaza, and
then turn on the West Bank. uh they will continue with that goal uh unless there
are outside forces that stop it in particular the United States. The United States of course is not going to stop
it. I think we've given I mean Israel gets $3.8 billion a year in security assistance from the United States but
since October uh 2023 they've gotten $15 billion surplus. uh uh so uh this I mean
of course the genocide could not continue without this support. Most of the munitions Israel exhausted its
stockpiles of munitions months ago. It all comes from the United States. Well, the UK helps along with of course
Germany. So, uh, yeah, the unless there's some outside force, uh, that
blocks this, uh, draconian plan to empty Gaza and then potentially empty the West
Bank. I I don't see Israel being stopped.
Well, maybe the Arab League and the uh Gulf and uh and other Islamic conference
leaders gathering in Doha will figure out something to do. What do you think?
Well, they haven't yet. Uh they haven't done much. Uh in fact, of course, Saudi
Arabia, UAE, and Jordan after the Houthis disrupted the maritime shipping.
The only countries that actively attempted to halt the genocide is Yemen that uh disrupted the maritime traffic,
built a huge land corridor uh to truck in all the consumer goods and vegetables and everything else that Israel needed.
And I saw it. I was in Jordan last summer, literally miles of trucks going
over the King Hussein bridge to sustain the Israeli economy. That's that's a UAE Saudi Jordanian initiative. the very
courageous journalist I her name escapes me who exposed the companies in Jordan
uh that were complicit in in this uh got a one-year prison sentence. So uh it's
the the the Arab countries I mean we it makes me get on my knees every night and pray for you know the return of Gaml
Abdul Nasser who would not have let this happen. Whatever you think of him, that old non-aligned movement, Tito, Nairo,
Nasser, this wouldn't have happened. Amen. Chris Hedges, as always, a tour
divorce, political commentator, journalist, writer, host of the Chris
Hedges Report. Let me take a quick break, then it's your calls right up to Gatri's social media news roundup. Stay
tuned. [Music]
Donald, what would you like to say? Well, hi George. Well, see, well, I hope I can keep my self relevant because of
my blood pressure, which goes up when considering that they're insulting my intelligence in particular in regards to
the Gather situation situation to say it lightly. You know, I mean, it is
ridiculous how these things are characterized, particularly in the people's minds of who's right and who's
wrong and who's on the best side of history as terrorists. What is this is absolutely insulting to the intelligence
of anybody in the rightthinking human being. It is. But but we we have to face we
have to face something. Donald, you are an exception in Copenhagen. I never
watch or listen to mainstream news or read it. But today, for some reason, I
heard the global newsroom uh hourly news bulletin, and it was as
different a perspective as uh as you and I could possibly imagine.
and the parallel universe that we are living in. Admittedly, more and more of
our society is finding its news and its analysis in places like this, the mother
of all talk shows and other similar events. But the great majority still of our
fellow citizens are getting their news and analysis from their national
equivalent of the global newsroom. For them, black is white, war is peace. They
are the masters of double speak and distortion.
because I realized that there are thousands, hundreds of thousands of
people who listened to that news bulletin, but did not know what you,
Donald, in Copenhagen and I and the other people watching this know. And
that's a measure of how far we've yet to travel.
You are listening to the mother of all talk shows with George Galloway.
[Music] Turning into a mammoth pull after the
Charlie Kirk killing. Is the US heading to civil war? And I think it may even be
literally 5050 on a poll of well almost 35,000
people. May want someone someone can do the mathematical uh sum for me. Helen is
on the line in Pennsylvania on the prospect of civil war in America. Helen,
welcome. Hi. How are you? I'm good. It's quite a somber subject
though, isn't it? Yes. Um well, I just had a couple of
opinions on it. I um I feel as though that they do want to start a race war.
Um there's a lot of race baiting. um feed in my when I scroll in my Instagram
on my ex, it's always uh you know there, oh this black man tried to um or
threatened to kill a white man and his daughter and his wife like with no pro
um like for no reason. They just did it. um like and it's it's constantly about
race and and I think they would want a race war, but they can't like succeed in
that because you can't turn every white person against every black person and vice versa, but you can turn every
Republican against every Democrat. That wouldn't be that hard. That would actually be pretty simple to achieve. Um
and I I believe they're achieving it. Um, I
haven't seen this much anger from both sides. But Charlie Kirk got assassinated, rest in peace, and I'm
praying for his family. But, um, when the senator and his wife and the
representative and her husband got murdered in, um, the same day as the parade um,
for the military and Donald Trump's birthday, there was no flag lowered half
staff. There was no moment of silence. I haven't even heard about that in since
um they try to blame it on a leftist which it turned
everything's the Democrat's fault right now. Everything they you can't you say where's the epsene list? The Democrats
did it. Um everything's about the Democrats. Um so
I I just think that at this point that's what they're going to do. They want to
they want to divide and if we allow them to do that they will succeed. I feel like if we show peace um like I
campaigned for Trump. I was a big Trumper for 20 not um not so much 2016,
but I got on board and then like 2020 and then 2024 and I got off the train
with the Iran bombings when that happened cuz like we were in negotiations like everything was doing
good and we're going to listen to Netanyahu who likes to you know provoke
war in the Middle East because we're and we allow him because we're petrified of Israel. Um, Israel is not our ally, but
they are our biggest worry because they could destroy this whole world. They
have enough nuclear weapons in what? Yeah, it's uh frankly uh Israel is you
uh Israel is the United States and it's the United States that could destroy
this whole world and the neocon crazies that you have got at the top of your
political tree uh are a clear and present danger to the survival uh of the
human race of that I'm in no doubt and was in no doubt even before the events
of the last few days. Thank you, Helen, for that call. Here's an update on tonight's wall of fame. A big thank you
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tonight. Let's go to Los Angeles where NASA has a point of view on Kirk and
JFK. Go ahead NASA. Oh uh hello great George. U thank you
very much uh for answering my call. Yeah, as a kid I remember the way John
F. Kennedy was killed and also there were some similarities. I always thought
the organized crime uh was responsible for it, but right now the organized
crime is just very unruly and at least Al Capone uh when one of his victims
survived, he found out and he paid for the hospital bill. So right now this
young fellow uh being gunned down, it just such a tragedy that it kind of is
reminiscent of the past. And having said that, uh I actually had couple of questions. You also mentioned that uh
you might be coming to Los Angeles this uh in September and I was going to
deliver a book to you that you asked about over 10 years ago from an an author. So last year I came to visit you
but you were busy. I just couldn't make it and it was a disappointment for me but I know how busy you are. another for
I'm sorry for that Nasser uh but do you know make sure we know how to reach you but I I I won't be coming to the United
States in the current uh circumstances and I don't think I'd be allowed in uh
once they took a look at my social media output which they now do before allowing
anyone into the country. So uh I'm afraid that if we ever do meet NASA it
will not be in the United States. Thanks for your lovely call and for your efforts to get me that book. Uh comments
now CD NI NJ IE George he is not speaking on behalf of the entire
African-American population. I have a soft heart for Mr. Kirk and Benjamin
Manning Music says Kirk was turning against Israel. It's a pity you didn't
debate him Gigi. He was a lovely fellow and you'd have agreed on certain issues.
Middle Eastern guy says everyone is discussing Charlie Kirk's assassination
and yet seem to have forgotten about the very real ramifications of the Israeli attack on Doha. The timing is
interesting to say the least. And RD Patterson sends $4.99.
Thank you very much. Israel sent a message to Trump via Kirk to play ball
on Iran or else. And Za Lugazade says,
"Why is George Galloway not talking about the Tommy Robinson march in London
yesterday? Surely that is more important than Charlie Kirk." Well, it isn't
actually. Not in a worldwide global show. It isn't. But why don't you call
the show and you speak about it if you are in the UK? It's free. 080819652.
I look forward to hearing from you. Simon in London on Mandelson's sacking
that is his majesty's ambassador to Washington has been sacked. Go ahead
Simon. Hope you're well George. Yeah, I think this is this week is going to be a very significant week cuz you know the past
week Mandlesson was forced out because of his diance with Epstein. You're one of the few people who actually pointed
this out this week a couple of days ago. You know, reading the emails that have emerged, it's obvious that it was a
diance. That's exactly what was happened uh happening between them. You know, there was a clear diance and he was
being worked from behind. You know, a storm is being worked from behind by Tony Blair. However, what surprises me
is why anyone is surprised that it's come to this, you know, and Mandlesson has been caught out this way. A man
who's been sacked twice doesn't get sacked a third time by accident, you know. Now, remember Mandlesson was
handed his role by Starmmer without any vetting whatsoever. A qualified barristister, though an abysmal one at
that, you know, who would hire Stalmer, you know, he merely sent him three questions by email, you know. Now, to
me, that sounds like a form of plausible deniability to me, you know. But before returning to Mandlesson issue, remember
last year during the presidential elections, Lami Starmer and the other neocons in the uh in in in the uh Labor
party, including some some Tories too, you know, threw everything behind sleepy Joe Biden, you know, they threw money.
They even sent people to America to help the Democrats um uh kind of like uh uh
back kind of 100 of Labour's finest. Yeah, exactly. They sent hundred of Labour's finest campaigners. That's why
they lost. They help they help campaign. They helped campaign for um for Kamala Harris in the end. Even when Biden was found to
be not not suitable, as I said, and Lammy threw hurled insults at Trump, you
know, not exactly the wise Britain's Britain's America's junior partner, although some would use stronger words
like lap dog, you know, I I would use an even stronger word than that, you know, starting with B and ending and H.
However, the point about Mandlesson is maybe he was placed there deliberately as a Trojan horse, you know, designed to
undermine Trump's presidency. Now, I'm not a fan of Trump as, you know, I've said he's uh he's probably in the
Epstein papers, and it's very clear now he is in the Epstein papers from what
I'm seeing, you know, and but one thing he did do well, you know, despite all of his faults and his many faults, even in
even with the with the Russia thing, you know, one good thing that he's done is
he's tried at least to end the Ukraine war, you know. Now the Europeans, NATO and the Blairites, you know, I mentioned
Blair's working star from behind and he he of course was uh was um Mandlesson's
former bosses you know you know they need this war to continue even if it drags America in in very very deep. Now
this is why this week's meeting is very significant. Now, when I was in school, George, I was a rather bad school boy,
and I always used to know when I was going to get what's colloally known as a good bollocking, you know. And I think
um it's very clear to me that Stormer's going to get bullocked publicly. Trump
might even turn on Star Storm. Who knows, you know? Well, he might. And uh this uh
presidential visit next week is shaping up to be a disaster. Uh Britain now has
no ambassador in Washington to uh accompany the president and to uh guide
the government through whatever issues are going to be raised when Trump uh
gets here. Uh it is going to remind everyone of the Epstein affair which I
believe is at the heart of this whole matter. I believe that Trump is so
exposed, compromised by the Epstein affair uh that he would be forced to
resign from office and maybe worse, maybe more serious than that. uh
depending on whether the incoming vice president was ready to pardon him of any
and all uh offenses that may be revealed even though those offenses may be
horrific indeed. I believe that that uh many things are being sacrificed, many
pawns are being sacrificed to protect the king. The king of course being
Donald Trump in this uh affair. Uh the jury's out on whether Donald Trump is
really trying to stop the Ukraine war. Uh I think on balance. Uh he's at least
not pursuing the war as enthusiastically as Joe Biden or Camela Harris would have
done. But I see little sign that he's actually trying to bring it to an end.
Unless you're saying these Chihuahua with their 11%s and 13%
uh in the public opinion polls in their countries, Merz, Macron, Starmer, uh are
too formidable for Donald Trump to simply tell them to sit down and bow
out. And I don't believe that that is true. So I can't give uh Donald Trump a
clean bill of health on anything. And I think that we need to expect anything
from Donald Trump and the deep state which is uh under his control or under
the control at least of the people he appointed to put it under control. Uh
and I don't exclude the FBI under cash Patel either. But uh Starmer may very
well be gone by the end of this week. He's facing a rising tide of crisis.
He's down at 11% approval rate. The British economy is in stasis, zero
growth. It will very shortly over the winter months move into recession. his
uh support uh in the country has evaporated more rapidly and more
completely than any politician's support has ever evaporated. He won a landslide
majority in parliament in the last general election just 14 months ago and
now 11% of the people approve of him and uh big demonstration
uh called by uh flag shaggers of all kinds, Lawrence Fox, Tommy Robinson uh
and uh and people of that ilk. Joined by Katie Hopkins. Dear God, joined by uh
Elon Musk doing himself a lot a lot a lot of damage I must tell you. uh
particularly in his court case against me in Dublin quite soon Elon it's all
chalking up mate uh the uh the way in
which the right under reform I mean faraj wasn't at that march I don't think
and others didn't go because they knew the kind of uh leaders that there would
be on the streets the kind of people who show their love of country by urinating
all over it, having been tanking themselves with beer uh throughout the
day and even before arriving at the demonstration. The stench of alcohol and
urine around central London has to be believed after yesterday. But that
doesn't mean that everybody on the demonstration was a fascist. It doesn't mean that everybody on the demonstration
was a racist, although every racist and every fascist was on the demonstration.
There is a huge body of uh opinion in
Britain on the conservative side. Conservative small C I'm talking about
who are so clear that Britain made a gigantic mistake in electing K star that
it must be put right as quickly as possible. and they see as people on the
left like me see that uh this government, this Labor party is not fit
for purpose. Now many of them, most of them will not vote for me. It was a big
demonstration. There was at least 200,000, maybe 300,000 on that
demonstration. That's not a small number of people. And if we merely recoil at
the sea of flags being shagged and the sea of urine uh flowing through the
center of London will be making a mistake because uh hurling epithets at
people never changed their mind. Nobody changed their mind because you called
them a racist. Nobody changed their mind because you called them a fascist. You
have to have better arguments than them. You have to have better leaders than
them. Now, given that their leaders are Tommy Robinson, Lawrence Fox, and Katy
Hopkins, well, I say that Jeremy Corbin and me are better leaders than them. But
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in Phoenix on Charlie Kirk. Go ahead, Steve.
Hi, George. Big fans. My wife and I watch you regularly. Um, my thing is in
this time of deception, um, we have to not make assumptions that, uh, this
wasn't just a Hollywood performance where Charlie Kirk may not have even been shot. There there are a lot of
anomalies there that uh, I saw on a on a Rumble video where they dissected the
video of him being shot and uh, there there are a lot of things there that point to the fact that the thing was
just a stage show. U part of it was the man filming it uh never flinched when
the shot came and that that seemed kind of unusual and then they broke down the video and you could see something under
his shirt and some say it was a bulletproof vest and others say he wasn't wearing a bulletproof vest but it
was something moving and it could have been like a blood pack. And then someone else was saying ballistically, uh, if
somebody shot like that, there's usually if it hits a jugular or a karate, it would be blood spray all over the place.
And there was nothing. It was just sort of a bubbling up uh like in a Hollywood.
It didn't look like nothing to me. Uh, Steve, uh, it uh, it was a truly
horrific thing to watch. Basically, the blood flowed unchallenged
out of his main artery and he bled to death. Uh there are a number of strange
things. Uh where where's the recovered round that killed him? For example,
we're told now that that round has never been recovered. So, we can't
ballistically say uh what weapon was used to kill him. uh and that would be a
highly significant omission in my opinion. I've already opined about my
doubts about the likelihood of uh this
uh whippers snapper uh having uh the ability to fire a weapon he was firing
for the first time and strike the jugular of a target uh 140 yards away.
It's not impossible. Uh, I've had lucky shots, but it is highly unlikely. Uh, it
seems to me that there were other shooters. I saw his wife grieving over
his body uh today. I'm not in any doubt that Charlie Kirk is dead, that his poor
wife is grieving, and that his children are now orphaned. So, I'm sorry I can't
go with you down that road, Steve. Let me go to Lisa in California on Kirk. Go
ahead, Lisa. Hi. Hi, George. How are you? Thank you for having me on your show.
Yeah. What I wanted to talk about is, you know, I'm closer to your age at 56.
And the younger kids uh believe that this was a shooter from the right, uh
that he was a groper, a follower of Nick Fuentes. And the way that they look at it is that
the you know the means he used were uh anti- you know the the the right saw
them quickly to say anti-fascist but actually it was the two hell diver
game uh references where they dropped the bomb. It was the Bellich Chow song
which the Gropers, the Nick Fuentes followers, uh, used to troll Charlie
Kirk back in 2018 to 2020 during the Graper wars where they would show up at
Charlie Kirk's events and troll him because the difference it seems from what I can understand between the
conservative movement of Charlie Kirk where they had embraced Israel, the
Gropers were anti-Israel. And so the Bellich Chow song was used to
troll her. Then you have the two tran the transphobic and the homophobic
slurs. And so, you know, I think that it's it was quick and easy for elder
people who might not be in, you know, in the lingo of the meme to see some of
these phrases as as left-wing inscriptions when they were troll meme
trolls from a far-right uh boy, it would seem to these to the
younger kids today. Well, that is a fascinating perspective,
Lisa. I'm not qualified to uh judge uh what weight to give it. Uh I mean, it
seems to me that Fuentes is is uh uh an outright fascist and that Kirk was uh a
right-wing Christian uh conservative. Uh, and there is a I've seen it written
that uh the alleged killer, as we must call him now, as he's denying the crime,
uh, was taking a shot at Kirk because he wasn't rightwing enough. Uh, so I'm
aware that these nuances are in the mix. Uh, and, uh, truth will out. I must say
that your thesis is weakened somewhat by the revelation, if true, uh that the
alleged killer is in uh a live-in relationship with a man transitioning to
be a woman, a woman in uh transition, as they say in cool circles. California
being one of them. Lisa, lovely call and great to hear from you. Don't be a stranger. Sally is in Ohio. Let's hear
from her. Go ahead, S. Hi, George. Thank you. You have a great
show. This is my first time on so I'm a little nervous, but I'll go on.
I'm an older person, a retired person, and but I'm I'm what we call leftist.
Like if you were to ask me about the what happened before the military
operation in Ukraine, I would probably know all the details. But this Charlie Kirk to me,
I had heard his name and that was it. So basically, he was unknown to me until a
couple days ago, basically. So part of what I've heard in the last
few days when people said that he may have had a chance to become president, I
thought, "Wow, that's really odd." But then I heard or saw a map in which
showed that he his group actually had 38,000
chapters all over the United States. how I saw the pinpoints of all these chapters and
it made sense. Yes, if he had decided to run for president in the future, he
probably would have had a very good chance with all these people already supporting him.
when Lisa called with this thing about the Gripers. The first I heard about that was on Kim Iverson's
uh podcast and she also mentioned something that
gave me a question mark which was that we've heard first that this uh
suspect confessed. Now we hear he's saying he is not
guilty. And Kim Iverson mentioned that he confessed to his father, but we haven't
heard from the father. Did he confess to just being on the roof or what did he confess? Did he confess that he'd
actually done it? So, more unanswered questions.
Um, absolutely, Sally. I'm not sure how they're going to get a conviction uh
when the only evidence is a father saying his son confessed it to him.
There's no DNA, there's no fingerprints. If the man denies it, uh um I'm not sure
how they're going to uh make that stand up, particularly as it must now be a
capital crime uh with the death penalty at the end of it for conviction because
Trump gave uh a presidential order to that effect and in any case, the death
penalty exists in Utah. Sorry, Sully. Go ahead. Last point.
Last point I wanted to comment about the African-American
and one point is that leftist podcasters who are black, the first ones that I've
heard, they weren't celebrating the death
of Charlie Kirk, but they were not mourning it either in the sense that the
first thing that occurred from according to these podcasters that I listen to is
that Charlie Kirk had called Martin Luther King a bad man.
He also said that he did not believe in empathy. He also discounted George Floyd's death
and and said that I don't know he made bad remarks about it. Um, he also said
that he would not trust a a black pilot because maybe a black pirate was only a
pilot because he had gotten through um, you know, when black people get the
special uh, education. Yeah. DEI. DEI hire. Yeah. Well, look, I
have no doubt that he I have no doubt uh Sal that he was uh a
right-wing figure and all of these things you've just outlined are common
tropes uh amongst right-wing people in your country and in mine. The right-wing
is strong in your country and getting stronger in mine. uh and we have to
figure out uh ways of uh blocking that rise and turning some people around,
persuading them that we're right and they're wrong. And we're not going to do
that by either shooting people or celebrating others shooting people. On
the contrary, we have the most to lose from a shooting war in America. As I
said earlier to an earlier caller, uh the
the other side have the vast majority of the guns, the biggest arsenal. They have
the police and army veterans overwhelmingly. Uh they have the deep state
organizations on their side. So celebrating the murder
of an opponent when you are on the left is just about the most stupid thing that
you could possibly do. And who knows, God forbid, who the next victim will be.
Sally, I have to cut you off because my good wife has entered the studio, Guyatri, with the social media news
roundup. What's rather Gatri? Well, we have some breaking news from the emergency Arab Islamic summit that's
taking place in Qatar right now. Okay. Following what is described as state terrorism, Qatar's Prime Minister
Althani has spoken and he said we cannot remain silent in the face of this barbaric attack and we take harsh
measures in order to prevent further action. If we remain silent, we will be
faced with an unlimited and countless series which will end up in total
destruction and no country will be spared. If Israel is not checked, next
will be another Muslim country attacked by Israel. So what are the harsh measures?
This is the breaking news. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. Who knew that 57 Muslim countries could
gather in an emergency because a Muslim country was attacked in the same week that we learned that onethird of Gaza
has been exterminated and according to the esteemed Chris Hedges probably more.
Yeah. I mean, these new figures uh say that uh 600,000 people have been killed
in Gaza, which would be 31.5% of the pre October 7 population. And
none of these Muslim countries have done anything about it up to now. But if they
do, I mean, look, I never look a gift horse in the mouth. Uh, and it doesn't,
I think, become us to be too chish. If
this summit in Qatar does come up with harsh measures to stop this happening
again and we should welcome it and we should not be Charles about it. That's
my view. Okay, good. Next meeting then which took place earlier uh on Friday of NATO
countries following these attacks in Pol flying drones Russian drones in Poland. Right. So Mark Rut
Rutifi said following that meeting, today we announced the launch of the Eastern
Sentry to bolster our post our posture even further along our eastern flank.
This military activity will involve a range of assets from allies. Eastern
Century will make clear that NATO is always ready to defend. And guess what?
The Polish president has officially approved a NATO forces deployment in Poland. This is something to look out
for, right? Is this a permanent deployment or for an exercise? Well, we have yet to see. Just that he
approved the the the resolution for it. Yeah. Look, uh someone said earlier in
the show that Trump was uh you know solving the Ukraine war, but he isn't.
uh he's either not trying to solve it or he's trying to solve it and all these uh
Chihuahua with their minuscule popular mandates or in some cases like France no
mandate at all. Uh they are uh they are
telling Trump where to get off and he's agreed to get off. So uh we are still in
very serious danger uh of World War II. Yeah, we are. And of course, lots and
lots of comments on Charlie Kirk. We're short of time, so I'll just go through maybe two of them. Okay.
Uh Anthony Scanel in Detroit says, "Watching some of the coverage across
mainstream media, I'm left humming that old Rolling Stones tune. I shouted out,
"Who killed the Kennedys?" When after all, it was you and me. In an endless diet tribe that scolds audiences over
civility, discourse, left, right, the establishment have concluded that it's Joe Sixpack who caused Charlie's death.
with univil and overly rigorous discourse. But it certainly wasn't that
rogue foreign pariah state which regularly carries out extrajudicial
assassinations and has infiltrated every public institution in the US.
Walter Kane says I a Walter heard from him for a while. I picked up my ears when I hear the
words mouser and boltaction rifle also change of clothing. These are strong
echoes of the JFK killing because there too we had a 24 year old with a troubled
background charged with the murder of the killing of the president. I firmly believe that they have found their psy
chances for his survival in the shortterm future especially if he's pleading not guilty as he now is. You know the difference uh
even though it echoes a lot of JFK and 911 for that matter even though the scale is of different obviously
different level the difference is of course the instantaneously of us seeing
the assassination of Charlie Kirk. you were discussing it. Yeah, but as we discussed, you'd only be
super horrified by that video if you hadn't been looking at the last 23 months in Gaza where uh it's small
children that high velocity munitions is tearing to pieces. Uh, of course it was
shocking and and bloody because we knew the person who was uh punctured in their
vital organ by what seemed to be a bullet. But all these little kids and
their mothers and fathers who've been slaughtered in their hundreds of thousands, nobody even asks their name
or pauses for a moment to remember them. Uh it was a Bob Dylan song I was uh
referencing in my opening. Who killed Dave Moore? Why and what's the reason
for? Well, we're not farther forward in finding out yet who killed Charlie Kirk,
but we do have a final legend on the line about Donald Trump's visit to the
United Kingdom this coming week. Norma in Bristol, always welcome and lovely to
close the show with your dulshit tones. Norma, what would you like to say about it?
Well, George, hello. I I just want your opinion because um now Trump's coming on
um Tuesday to visit and it's been organized with all the trimmings. I mean
I've heard the agenda and it's just there's nothing left out and apparently
it will be great benefit to us because America's investments in our economy
will help us. But, and this is what we don't seem to care about at the what I
call the expense of Trump helping Netanyahu
obliterate Gaza. I mean, I just wanted to know what you thought
about it all really. Well, I think such uh state visits are
inevitable. Uh there will always be people who will oppose them. uh when the
Chinese president Xi Jinping was here, there were people who opposed it. When the uh Syrian president was brought here
and billeted with the queen, Bashar al-Assad and his wife lived at Buckingham Palace and went down the Mal
in an open top carriage. Nobody likes to remember that now. Even Nikolai Charescu
uh lived at the palace and went down the Mal. Nikolai and Elena Chescu. So, uh,
state visits are about state relations and it's important that states have
relations, but it is equally important that we, the public are allowed to
demonstrate uh about it, allowed to demonstrate our rejection of the
politics of the person being honored with his second state visit. remember he
met the queen uh in his first term. Um
by all accounts didn't behave quite as the pucka gentleman should in the
presence of the queen. We'll see if he does any better with the king Charles. But my last point Norma would be this.
The Americans have a clause in their constitution which bans cruel and
unusual punishment. In my opinion, Donald Trump is being
subjected to cruel and unusual punishment by forcing him to sit down
and jaw jaw with Kier Starmmer and King Charles. I can't think of any way.
I'd less like to spend time. Go ahead, Norma. But what you see, my point really is
Trump is so in touch with Netanyahu and they believe that they want to
obliterate Gaza. Now, I mean, we don't seem to care about that. Give him all
the Jimmins, but that's appalling, isn't it?
Well, of course it is, but he's not less or more uh with Netanyahu than the
British Prime Minister is, the British government is, the British civil service, the British military brass, the
British intelligence services, they're all with Netanyahu. Uh, and Trump is not more uh with
Netanyahu than they are. Uh indeed we are the authors of the Palestinian
tragedy in the very first place in 1917. So with the Balfford declaration. So
we're not in actually in any position to lecture anybody else on their complicity
in the massacre in Gaza. Uh it's
important that people will be organizing demonstrations and protests against
Trump's role in the Middle East and other things too. And it's the right of
every British citizen who after all are paying for this. It's the right of every
British citizen to uh to complain and to demonstrate their disapproval or at
least Norma. It used to be the right of every British citizen and that was one
of the themes of the demonstration in London yesterday. Now a lot of these
people are hypocrites. They want free speech for themselves but not for me and
not for you. uh if you are not for free speech that you disagree with then you
are against free speech but not all of them are hypocrites.
Some of them there were saying that we used to have a country Britain where you
were free to speak your mind where you didn't fear coming through an airport
that you were going to be handcuffed and arrested under the terrorism act where
you were free if you were an old lady to stand under a tree in central London
with a cardboard sign saying whatever you wanted to say and not be carried off
and face the prospect of a 14-year prison sentence under the terrorism act.
Norma, thanks for bringing us to a close and my apologies to everyone inconvenienced by the fact I am fully 11
minutes late in closing the show, but that I now must do. Gatri and I are
traveling on Wednesday and so we personally will not be here but on
Wednesday there will be a really special guest presenter presenting Wednesday's
mother of all talk shows and God willing we'll be back on Sunday uh and uh we'll
be traveling in the war zone pray for us and hopefully
We'll see you then. God bless you all and thanks for a wonderful show. Good
night.
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Charlie Kirk Explains the Truth About Israel’s October 7 Response | PBD Podcast #shorts #viral
Path Of Veritas
Sep 11, 2025

Charlie Kirk joins the PBD Podcast to discuss the events of October 7th and why Israel’s response appeared delayed. In this powerful conversation, Charlie breaks down what went wrong, the intelligence failures, and the larger implications for Israel, the U.S., and the Middle East. Patrick Bet-David presses for answers on accountability, preparedness, and the lessons that need to be learned moving forward.



Transcript

I've been to Israel many times. The whole
country is a fortress. When I first
heard this story, I still have the same
gut instinct that I did initially. I
find this very hard to believe. I've
been to that Gaza border. You you cannot
go 10 ft without running into a
19-year-old with an AR-15 or an
automatic machine gun that is an IDF
soldier, right? The whole country is
surveiled. And so, so let me let me just
kind of go through this. We don't talk
about Israeli politics very often, and
most Americans don't know this. The last
nine months, Israel was on the brink of
civil war. It's not an exaggeration.
This judicial stuff,
there were hundreds of thousands of
Israelis taking to the streets because
BB Netanyahu is basically redefining the
Israeli constitution. That's not an
exaggeration, right? There were protests
planned this week against Netanyahu
where they anticipated tens of thousands
of people to take to the streets. I'm
not I'm not willing to say to go so far
that saying that Netanyahu knew or there
was intelligence here, but I think some
questions need to be asked. Was there a
standdown order?
Was there a standdown order?
6 hours. I don't believe it. Israel's
the size of New Jersey. When I took a
helicopter ride from Jerusalem to the
Gaza border, it's 45 minutes.
Wow.
6 hours. They're live streaming the
killing of Jews. Did somebody in the
government say standdown? That is a
legitimate non-conspiracy
question. The whole country is the IDF.
The whole country is.
Yeah. And you're trying to tell me that
they're going to concerts and kabutzim
and schools and by reports 6 hours.
Let's say it's 3 hours.

I'm actually very pro-Israel. So let me be very I
mean so I'm not exactly
I think we all are.
No, no. I just want to make sure my
position is clear here.
But I would So Patrick, there are other
explanations. It's possible that the
Netanyahu government was double crossed
by bad agents. Another aspect is that
Netanyahu might have traitors in his
government, and that maybe there are some
people within those intel agencies that
aren't as sympathetic. Or maybe Patrick,
maybe they might have gotten a tip. They
might have gotten whispers, but no one
thought it would be 1,200 Jews dead.
That's a potential, right? But the fact
is now BB and the Israeli hard-right
government has a mandate.
I got to be careful the way I say this
to they're going to try to ethnically
cleanse Gaza. They're talking about
basically removing 2.5 million people
from there. Okay. And honestly, they
have a mandate to go seek justice and
revenge. There is this
idea that they need to have a truce
or a peace treaty, that's morally crap
after you see women and children be
burned alive and dragged to the streets.
But there are some serious questions
here, Patrick. And let me tell you, my
pattern recognition
over the last 5 years has become pretty
sharp. COVID, Maui fires, you know,
Epstein. When I see a story and it
doesn't click,
our guts are usually right.

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(2) Does the face of the man going up the stairs without a rifle match the face exactly of the suspect Robinson?

ChatGPT said:

Good careful question. Let’s separate what is publicly visible from what’s asserted by investigators:

What the “stairs man” footage shows

The FBI stills released (and widely reprinted) show a man in dark clothing, cap, and sunglasses, carrying a backpack, ascending a stairwell on campus.

His face is largely obscured: sunglasses, hat brim, and resolution/angle make it very hard to discern distinguishing features.

There is no rifle visible in those stairwell stills. Only the backpack is clear.

About Tyler Robinson’s likeness

Law enforcement has identified Robinson as the suspect and said he was traced through video timelines, witness accounts, clothing changes, Discord messages, and forensic evidence (prints, footprints, DNA).

However, no public release to date has put Robinson’s booking photo or a clear face-to-camera shot side by side with the “stairs man.”

Independent media outlets consistently note the face is obscured in the FBI stills, making public matching essentially impossible without inside access to higher-resolution images or biometric data.

Conclusion

From what is in the public record:

No — the face of the man on the stairs cannot be said to “exactly match” Robinson, because it’s not clearly visible at all.

Authorities claim the man is Robinson, but the match is based on other forms of evidence (clothing, movements, recovered items, digital traces), not a plain-view facial ID....

here’s a structured breakdown of the evidence chain authorities have described tying Tyler Robinson to the “stairs man” in the stills, the rooftop escape, and the Kirk shooting. This is drawn from DOJ/FBI briefings and major outlet reporting.

1. Video / Surveillance Timeline

Multiple cameras caught the same man (in dark hat, sunglasses, flag shirt, Converse shoes, backpack) moving through campus, up a stairwell, across rooftops, and eventually fleeing after the shot.

Though the face is obscured, investigators argue continuity of clothing, backpack, and path connect all clips into a single timeline.

Robinson was reportedly tracked on camera arriving earlier that morning in different clothing, then seen later in the darker outfit (suggesting a clothing change).

2. Forensic Evidence

Footwear impressions on the rooftop matched Converse-type shoes visible in the surveillance stills.

Palm print and forearm imprint were recovered from the rooftop position consistent with someone prone at a firing position.

DNA analysis was reported to match Robinson from items recovered (details limited in public disclosures, but multiple outlets cited investigators claiming a DNA tie).

3. Weapon Recovery

The suspected murder weapon — a bolt-action Mauser .30-06 rifle — was found in nearby woods.

Ammunition casings at the rooftop matched that weapon.

Cartridges were inscribed with phrases (“Hey fascist! Catch!”), which align with the shooter’s Discord messages.

4. Digital Evidence

Robinson allegedly posted or sent Discord messages contemporaneous with the attack, referencing clothing changes and inscriptions on cartridges.

Investigators say these messages timestamped his planning and execution and tied directly to the recovered evidence.

5. Eyewitness / Family Involvement

Reports indicate that Robinson’s family and pastor persuaded him to surrender, after he acknowledged to them that he was the man in the FBI’s photos.

While not a formal confession to police, this admission provided a human link between Robinson and the “stairs man” imagery.

Key Point

Even though the face in the stairwell stills is not clear (so the public cannot visually confirm a match), authorities rely on:

Continuity of clothing in multiple clips

Rooftop forensic evidence (prints, DNA)

Weapon + ammo recovery

Digital self-incrimination via Discord

Family/pastor confirmation

That combination is how investigators bridge the gap between an obscured face in video and a formal identification of Robinson.

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What government / officials say

Utah Governor Spencer Cox claimed that Robinson’s roommate showed investigators several messages via Discord that allegedly came from Robinson.
The Guardian
+3
People.com
+3
The Wall Street Journal
+3

Those messages are said to contain details about the rifle, including:

A need to retrieve the rifle from a “drop point.”
The Guardian
+3
The Wall Street Journal
+3
People.com
+3

Leaving the rifle in a bush or hiding it, possibly wrapped in a towel.
The Wall Street Journal
+1

References to the rifle being “unique,” engravings on bullet casings, and mentioning a scope.
The Guardian
+3
The Wall Street Journal
+3
The Daily Beast
+3

The government uses this as part of their evidence chain tying Robinson to the shooting.
The Wall Street Journal
+1

What Discord says / what their position is

Discord does agree Robinson had an account.
People.com
+1

Discord says there is “no evidence” that Robinson used their platform to plan the attack or promote violence.
The Verge
+1

Discord’s spokesperson has disputed that the specific messages with rifle details were actually used on the platform by Robinson. They say those messages “referenced in recent reporting” do not appear to be from Discord, but rather are from second-hand recountings (e.g. the roommate recounting a note, or via other media) after the shooting.
The Daily Beast
+1

Where the disagreement lies / what’s uncertain
Factor What the government claims vs what Discord claims
Origin of messages Government says they saw messages from Robinson via Discord that contained rifle-planning details. Discord says those specific messages aren’t shown to be from Discord or from Robinson on the platform.
Timing It’s unclear whether some or all of the claimed messages were before the shooting (used in planning) or only after (recounting, or found in notes, or roommate’s memory). Officials have implied some pre-incident planning. Discord disputes that.
Hindustan Times
+1

Nature of messages Government says messages include retrieving the rifle, drop points, hiding in bush/towel, engravings. Discord says there’s no evidence those details came through the platform (or directly from account tied to suspect) in planning. Some may be from a note.
Hindustan Times
+1
Conclusion: Is “government says and Discord denies” true?

Yes — based on the public reporting so far, both sides are making claims, and there is a dispute:

The government asserts that Discord messages exist which tie Robinson to rifle details and planning, and that the roommate showed these messages.
The Wall Street Journal
+2
People.com
+2

Discord denies that the suspect used the platform to plan or promote the violence, and denies the messages with rifle-planning details were definitely sent on Discord by Robinson.
People.com
+1

So in short: yes, the government claims one thing, Discord claims another. And in current public evidence, it’s not definitively resolved which version is fully correct.

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What is being claimed

Several media outlets and social posts say:

In video footage from the event, two men standing behind Kirk make what some observers interpret as hand gestures right before the gunshot. One man allegedly adjusts his cap, touches or adjusts around his ear, moves his phone forward; the other supposedly adjusts his sleeve or makes a discreet signal with his hand.
The Economic Times
+3
The Economic Times
+3
The Times of India
+3

Some claim these gestures are “military-style signals,” suggesting coordinated action by the security team.
Indiatimes
+2
Hindustan Times
+2

Others think it’s simply coincidence or normal movements (adjusting one’s cap, shifting clothing, holding phone, etc.).
AOL
+2
The Economic Times
+2

What credible sources / experts say

A security expert (former police chief) quoted in some stories (e.g. Hindustan Times / Daily Mail et al.) acknowledges that the gestures look deliberate. But that expert also emphasizes: “not casual,” “more than one signal,” and “could be check-ins with a supervisor, saying everything is okay.” However, the expert explicitly states this doesn’t by itself prove wrongdoing.
Hindustan Times

Some outlets doing “viral video decode / analysis” note that timing of gestures is suspicious for some, but also that video angles are poor, resolution low, impulses ambiguous.
The Economic Times
+1

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What’s in official / major-outlet reporting

Released footage:

The FBI released rooftop video showing the suspect running, then jumping down and fleeing. In that clip, no rifle is visible.

Multiple outlets (ABC, People, WaPo, KMVT local TV) note that nothing in the video shows him carrying any firearm as he runs.

Recovered weapon:

The rifle was later found in nearby woods, not on the person seen fleeing. That’s why people comment on the “missing rifle” problem.

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There is drone footage / aerial photography, but it seems almost certainly post-event and for reconstruction / mapping, not live or contemporaneous with the gunshot.

The specific claim that a drone flew over the murder site “within 30 seconds of the shot” has no verified source that I could locate.

Official reporting (NBC, Utah authorities) is explicit that no drones were part of pre- or during- event security or surveillance.

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Was the Jerusalem Post the very first media outlet to broadcast and publish the events in the jerusalem post?

ChatGPT said:

I checked that carefully. Here’s what the record shows about which outlets first reported Charlie Kirk’s assassination and whether The Jerusalem Post was the earliest.

Timeline of First Reports

U.S. local media in Utah (Salt Lake Tribune, KSL.com, Deseret News) began reporting the shooting very quickly on September 10, 2025, drawing on campus alerts and Utah Valley University police statements.

National U.S. outlets (AP, Reuters, ABC News, CNN) published breaking news within the same early time frame, often within an hour of the incident.

The Jerusalem Post also put out a breaking story the same day, carrying wire copy (Reuters/AP) plus its own reporting angle.

Key Point

The Jerusalem Post did cover the event prominently and quickly. However, it was not the first outlet — coverage originated with U.S. local and national media almost immediately, and JPost followed suit by picking up the story.

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I searched through reputable sources and could not find confirmation that Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu both announced Charlie Kirk’s death at exactly 3:02. Here are what I found about the timing of Trump’s announcement, and what (if anything) is known about Netanyahu’s.

What I found — Donald Trump

Wikipedia (which cites media sources) states that Donald Trump announced Kirk’s death at 2:40 p.m. MDT on Truth Social.
Wikipedia

“Killing of Charlie Kirk” entry on Wikipedia gives that time; I did not find any source saying Trump said it at 3:02.
Wikipedia

What I found — Benjamin Netanyahu

Many news outlets mention that Netanyahu made a social media post calling Kirk “a lion-hearted friend of Israel” and expressed condolences.
Al Jazeera
+2
The Times of Israel
+2

None of those reports seem to include a precise timestamp for when Netanyahu’s post or statement was made. I could not locate a credible source giving a time that matches 3:02 (local Utah time, or Israel time).

Conclusion

Trump’s announcement is documented as happening around 2:40 p.m. MDT.

There is no evidence I found that Netanyahu made a statement exactly at 3:02, nor that his public statement’s timestamp aligns with that specific minute.

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what about this idea that Robinson is not cooperating or confessing?

ChatGPT said:

Here’s what’s been reported so far about Tyler Robinson’s cooperation (or lack thereof) since his arrest:

Official statements

Governor Spencer Cox (Utah) said publicly that Robinson was not cooperating with authorities after being taken into custody. That detail has been repeated in major press outlets (e.g., AP, People, WSJ).

Law enforcement officials have not reported any confession, formal statement, or interrogation yielding useful information from Robinson himself.

Family / pastor angle

Before surrender, Robinson’s family and pastor convinced him to turn himself in. Media have reported that he told them he was the person in the FBI’s “person of interest” photos.

But that is not the same as a confession to police. It was more of an acknowledgment in a private context.

Discord / digital “admissions”

Investigators claim Robinson posted on Discord during or around the attack, with references to clothing changes and cartridge inscriptions.

This is treated as self-incriminating evidence — but it’s not a confession in custody, and Discord itself has disputed whether those messages were truly on its platform.

Current picture

No police confession: Robinson has not confessed in interrogation.

No cooperation: Authorities describe him as uncooperative post-arrest.

Only indirect admission: Family/pastor persuasion and alleged Discord messages tie him to the act, but those aren’t formal statements to investigators.

So the “idea that Robinson is not cooperating or confessing” is accurate:

He has not confessed to police.

He is officially described as non-cooperative.

The only admissions reported are second-hand (family, digital posts).

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FBI Drops A SURPRISE CHARLIE KIRK BOMB On Trump Jr.
Occupy Democrats
Sep 12, 2025

The FBI just exposed Donald Trump Junior with a brutal Charlie Kirk shooting bombshell!



Transcript

In today's breaking story, the FBI has
just dropped a surprised Charlie Kirk
bomb on Donald Trump Jr. That's right,
Charlie Kirk continues to dominate the
news cycle for obvious reasons. How's it
going everybody? Hunter Avalone here
with Occupied Democrats. Welcome back to
another video. Now, with Charlie Kirk's
tragic death, we've seen a lot of people
speaking out. A lot of people that we
wouldn't have expected. Vocal critics of
Charlie Kirk are defending him.
Um, I hope it doesn't have a chilling
effect whether you're left or right on
your ability to speak your mind. I know
the one thing we all agree about on this
table, we all share our viewpoints and
we should be able to do that without
fear.
Well, that's our bread and butter here.
So, of course, it's very important to
agree with everything.
Well, and also although we don't all
align with his his views, what I deeply
aligned with was he said, "When we stop
talking, that's when things get bad."
the irony of a man who would go across
the country to college campuses, that's
the pinnacle of thought differences.
It's where you're supposed to have
conversations, would go and his series
was called Prove Me Wrong. He would talk
to people openly who disagreed. It's
what we try to exemplify every day and
say this is what we need more of. So the
irony of being violently killed while
saying those words of what we need more
of in this country, I know all of us
agree on that part as there's never a
place for political violence. Even AOC
had things to say.
People can fingerpoint all they want.
Look at the record. Look at the actions
of what we are doing. I don't think a
single person who has dedicated their
entire career to preventing gun safety
legislation from getting passed in this
house has any right to blame anybody
else but themselves for what is
happening. We have to stop this. We can
stop this. And why don't we start by by
acknowledging that basic common sense
gun safety legislation is not taking
away a gun, is not attacking the Second
Amendment, but it is about ensuring the
safety of our children, of women, of
people across this country to ensure
that guns and firearms do not get in the
hands of people who are going to use
them against human beings. Period.
domestic violence is one of the highest
indicators of whether a person is going
to to kill someone else with a gun or
not. There are so many other indicators
uh you know and I think it is so deeply
important that when when a politician
tries to blame words for an action they
need to look at their action and their
record. We like enough of this. This is
horrific. This is awful. And the
assassination of Charlie Kirk risks an
unccoring of political chaos and
violence that we cannot risk in America.
We cannot risk it.

And now, the FBI has just dropped a
surprise Charlie Kirk bomb on Trump Jr.
That's right. Take a look at today's top
story. Today, the FBI dropped new
revelations that completely destroy
Donald Trump Jr.'s claim that a
transgender person assassinated Charlie
Kirk. For days now, MAGA figures have
been pushing the lie that Kirk's killer
was part of some so-called radical trans
movement. That entire narrative
collapsed when the FBI confirmed the
suspect is a white Mormon male from Utah
named Tyler Robinson. So, how did this
lie spread so quickly? Well, it started
with a Wall Street Journal report citing
a law enforcement source who claimed
bullets at the scene had transgender
ideology carved into them. But gun
experts are pointing out something far
more likely. Those bullets may have been
manufactured by Tran Ammo, a company
that stamps TRN on its rounds. Someone
either through ignorance or malice
apparently saw TRN and jumped to trans.
Whether it was a mistake or an
intentional scheme, the damage is done.

Right-wing media figures latched on to
the claim because it fit neatly into
their ongoing campaign against
transgender Americans. Even though we
now know beyond doubt the shooter was
not trans, many in MAGA world will cling
to the falsehood.

{Don Jr.] You know, I've been talking about
it for a long time and that that's where
those threats are coming from. And
you're 100% right, Megan. Like, think
about per capita. I can't name,
including probably like al Qaeda and the
Taliban, a group that is more violent
per capita than the radical trans
movement.
I mean, when you think of the mass
killings, when you think of this, each
and everyone, and I'm sure there's
plenty that we don't even know about
because they wouldn't release the
manifesto like they didn't,
you know, in Wisconsin or they refuse to
do it because you're not allowed to talk
about the truth, you know, because I
mean, I'm sure it's totally normal. I'm
sure people are totally sane after
jacking themselves up on hormones given
to them by some, you know,
rainbow-haired freak doctor because, you
know, they think men can somehow
magically become women. Uh, you know,
I'm sure it has nothing to do with that,
Megan. It can't possibly, right? That,
uh, that wouldn't be convenient.

In that
interview, Trump Jr. smeared transgender
people as more violent per capita than
al-Qaeda or the Taliban, even claiming
they were behind every mass shooting in
America. The facts could not be further
from that. Trans Americans are far
more likely to be victims of violence,
not perpetrators. According to
Politifacts review of more than 4,000
mass shootings, only 0.17%
were carried out by transgender
individuals. And as NBC News has
confirmed, the alleged assassin, Tyler
Robinson, was not even a registered
Democrat. His voter registration listed
no party when last updated in 2021. In
other words, another MAGA talking point
has collapsed.

What remains crystal
clear is that this man should never have
had access to a gun. Yet, thanks to
Republican lawmakers loosening gun
safety measures, he did. And now,
instead of confronting that reality,
Republican leaders tried to invent a
scapegoat. Today, that lie fell apart.

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Bullet Casings TRN
by google ai
9/15/25

The claim that bullet casings marked "TRN" were engraved with messages related to transgender ideology has been debunked. The "TRN" marking is a known manufacturer's headstamp for Turan Ammunition, a Turkish company, and not a hidden code for "trans".

This misinterpretation was fueled by initial, unverified reports and social media speculation, but officials have clarified that the engravings on the casings found in connection with the Charlie Kirk shooting were actually internet memes and jokes, such as "Hey fascist! Catch!", "Oh Bella Ciao", and "If you read this, you are gay LMAO".

The Wall Street Journal later updated its report to caution that the initial claim about transgender and anti-fascist ideology may not accurately reflect the evidence.

The "TRN" stamp on the casings is a standard headstamp for Turan Ammunition, a manufacturer that produces various calibers, though not the .30-06 round used in the shooting.

The initial reports suggesting the casings contained "transgender and anti-fascist ideology" were based on an unverified internal bulletin and were quickly contradicted by law enforcement.

Utah Governor Spencer Cox confirmed at a press conference that the engravings were internet memes and jokes, not related to transgender or LGBTQ identities.

The confusion arose partly because the photo used to illustrate the "TRN" marking was from a 9mm casing, while the weapon involved was a .30-06, making the specific casing image misleading.

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[BREAKING NEWS EXCLUSIVE ] - Max Blumenthal Reports: Charlie Kirk and the Israel Lobby!
Judge Napolitano - Judging Freedom
Sep 15 2025

Max Blumenthal (with Anya Parampil) investigates recent claims that Charlie Kirk, the high-profile conservative commentator and founder of TPUSA, had begun pushing back against pro-Israel influence—and as a result, was being pressured, intimidated, and even offered funding by Israeli leaders or wealthy Zionist backers in exchange for staying in line.

Our conversation centers around these allegations. Zionists Rebuffed by Charlie Kirk.



Transcript

Hi everyone, Judge Andrew Napolitano here
for Judging Freedom. Today is Monday,
September 15th, 2025. Max Blumenthal is
here with a report of his latest
investigations
uh on the events leading up to the
murder of Charlie Kirk. Max, you've been
doing unbelievable investigative
reporting. What have you learned?
Well, following my September 12th
report, which provided background about
the pressure, the mounting pressure that
Charlie Kirk was under
pro-Israel forces, from Netanyahu's
cutouts in the United States, I gathered
more details. Uh, the piece, it hit like
a sledgehammer. It really caused uh a
lot of I I I think it spoke for a lot of
people particularly within the
conservative movement which is changing
uh among the youth on the question of
Israel and more pe more people started
coming out and more people started
talking and people were talking to me
and these were people who had knowledge
of a tumultuous stormy meeting held in
the Hamptons during the first week of
August convened according to multiple
sources with knowledge of this meeting
intimate knowledge of this meeting by
the billionaire
ultra-ionist financeier Bill Aman who is
close to Netanyahu and his kind of
network in the United States. Charlie
Kirk was summoned
along with an an array of young sort of
vapid, very avaricious conservative
influencers who seem to be sort of in
Israel's back pocket to set a very
pro-Israel tone for this meeting. And
Charlie Kirk was, according to one
source, hammered by Aman and others for
allowing Israel critics, very prominent
conservative voices like Megan Kelly,
Tucker Carlson, or uh the anti-ionist
Jewish comedian Dave Smith to appear at
his events.
And actually, Charlie Kirk was planning
to host many of these same figures again
in December. and he had just added to uh
his TPUSA major um I think it's called
America Fest in December the premier
critic of Israel in Congress. I didn't
say Republican critic, I just said
premier critic because that's what she
is now, Marjgerie Taylor Green, which
really reflected his shifting views. And
Aman, according to multiple sources, had
this meeting to basically bully Charlie
Kirk into submission. Charlie Kirk
walked away according to one person
feeling like there was an attempt to
blackmail him. He refused
uh any offers of funding and also
refused the offer to travel to Israel
and meet with Netanyahu which Netanyahu
disclosed in the wake the immediate wake
of Netanyahu's death. He talked about
this letter but he didn't say whether
Charlie Kirk refused or accepted. I've
learned since that he refused.
And then beyond that, he was becoming
so alienated by this crowd of pro-Israel
enforcers
um that he was moving away from the
Protestant church. This is what I've
been told. Candace Owens just uh
disclosed this on her live stream.
And you know he was a Protestant who as
a young conservative voice an you know I
think I believe in evangelical
Christian.
He he was a Christian nationalist by his
own words.
Yes. And he was pushing the idea of this
Judeo-Christian alliance and that was
like music to the ears of the pro-Israel
funders. But now he was starting to
attend Catholic mass with his wife Erica
and moving in a different direction.
what Candace Owens called a spiritual
transformation. And the Catholics just
don't have that same conceptualization
of American Christian nationalism and
the Judeo-Christian alliance.
Correct.
This has never been I don't think it's
been reported before. So he was
undergoing a transformation, a singular
figure in the Trump world, unreplaceable
uh sort of a a unique figure in that
world. and he was moving on this
question and
there really wasn't anything they could
do to stop him because you couldn't just
I mean I I'm sure there would have been
an attempt and there already was through
figures like Ben Shapiro and Mark Levvin
on at Fox News to attack him and sort of
suggest maybe he should be removed. But
you can't really just remove someone
like that who's had who's built this
entire gigantic infrastructure around
himself. So we really don't know where
things would have gone. But these two
stories together I think paint a picture
of a it's a it's a wider history of
where the conservative movement itself
is going and the kind of gra the
astrourfing from is pro-Israel 1enters
to prevent that.
This will uh undermine
uh Trump's support on this issue
substantially. So his good buddy, the
vice president of the United States, is
a Catholic convert. Candace Owens is a
Catholic convert. Mrs. Kirk is a born
and raised uh Roman Catholic. This
probably terrified the Christian
nationalists, the Mike Huckabe types and
their wealthy uh American mainly New
York uh Zionist
um uh Finn and Sears. Do we know from
your sources what Kirk himself thought
of Netanyahu? Did he feel intimidated by
Netanyahu?
Yes, absolutely. And and the I think the
reason that people initially anyone
initially started talking to me was that
Netanyahu came out while Charlie Kirk's
body was still warm and started lying
about him and trying to recast him as
his best friend. Now, it's true Charlie
Kirk was
until fairly recently, uh certainly
before October 7th, 2023, the most
important gentile asset that Israel
might have had today. uh possibly more
important than Trump because Charlie
Kirk was preaching the pro-Israel gospel
to young people and he was potentially
on his way to becoming president or
senator, someone very important to
Israel. So he um as soon as he starts to
make some noises after October 7th about
Israel's
misdeeds, but particularly about
Israel's malign influence in Washington
and then he experienced the pressure
from pro-Israel donors like Bill Aman.
Netanyahu enters the picture. And
Charlie Kirk, according to a longtime
friend of his who I spoke to, considered
Netanyahu a disgusting bully who was a
manipulator and was fundamentally
dishonest. And this stands at complete
odds with the picture Netanyahu has
tried to paint in not just one, but I
think five or maybe six tweets since
Charlie Kirk was killed. And
additionally, I mean, I think it's
important to recognize what what
Netanyahu was doing. He was trying to do
the same thing he did after 911 when the
Israeli publication Maiv reported in
2008 that Netanyahu said 911 is good for
Israel. and he thought that Charlie he
wanted to to to exploit Charlie Kirk's
killing in a way that benefited Israel
by pushing a narrative of religious
warfare and Islamophobia inside the US.
And he blamed Islam and radical Muslims
and the left for killing Charlie Kirk
before the suspect was even known before
anyone had even been caught. And so the
truth and the reality about Charlie
Kirk's relationship with Netanyahu turns
Netanyahu's whole sectarian militaristic
narrative on its head.
Here's uh Charlie Kirk in August talking
to Megan Kelly, my friend and former
colleague
uh about the people that are attacking
him. Uh Chris, cut number 14.
I think I have a bulletproof resume
showing my defense of Israel both on
campus, on social media to to a great,
you know, let's just say mockery and
scorn at times where I cuz I believe it.
However, Megan, you're hitting on
something very potent and important.
Now, let me first say I don't want to
judge an entire group because there's
been many people in the periseral world
that have been very sweet, very kind,
very nuanced, very Charlie, you know,
you're with us. You don't have to agree
all the time. However, and I and I will
say this, the behavior by a lot both
privately and publicly are pushing
people like you and me away. My moral
character is now being put into
question, Megan. Not my decisions, not
like, hey, are you doing this? Is it
smart or is it dumb? But no, I am a bad
person if I do this.
And it's I could go I mean, you saw it,
Megan. It was trending on Twitter,
thousands of tweets and text messages.
And if I were to be charitable and
generous, I will say the people that are
attacking me are in a hyper paranoid
state because they're at war and war
tends to make things black and white and
you're a hammer looking for a nail. So,
I'm trying to be charitable, Megan.
Literally, I'm trying to cut as much
slack as I can. Right. I have less
ability sometimes online to criticize
the Israeli government without backlash
than actual Israelis do. And that's
really, really weird, isn't it, Megan?
That's not right.
Personality types like you, myself, and
Tucker. The more that you guys privately
and publicly call our character into
question, which is not isolated, right,
Megan, it would be one thing if it was
one text or two text. It is dozens of
texts. When the hostile reaction is that
now Megan and Charlie are enemies,
right? Boy, I'll tell you like you're
you're you're you're you're going to
you're not going to I won't say lose,
but you will weaken and just basically
deflate two of your strongest advocates
if that continues.
Right about the time
uh that he was summoned to the Hamptons
by Aman and company.
Yeah, I believe that was August 6th when
he said that. I
correct
I struggled to pinpoint the precise date
of the meeting, but that it was right
around that time because I managed to
dredge up Instagram photos from some of
the influencers who I confirmed to be at
the meeting, especially photos by
someone named Xavier de Rouso, who I'd
say very few people watching this have
probably heard of.
No, I never heard of him.
I I I hadn't heard much about him
before. I I I reached him on the phone
like everyone else who attended this
meeting that I reached. He was
flustered, freaked out by my call
immediately like went silent. He was he
was in a kind of in a state of panic.
They're all nervous about being
identified with this meeting. Xavier de
Rouso is a
employee of Prageru,
which is this conservative
indoctrination outlet that focuses on
youth, including young young people.
Like
this is another Christian nationalist uh
gaggle
run by Marissa Strait, who is a Jewish
Zionist who served in Israel's unit 8200
cyber spying division. Oh boy. And
Xavier Dur Rouso was sent with Israeli
government money to a Gaza Humanitarian
Foundation site two weeks after that
meeting in the Hamptons where he mocked
the famine in Gaza in very disgusting
fashion. Said Hamas leaders are on ompic
because they're getting so fat off all
the food they're getting. And uh that's
that's his role. That's the role of many
of the other influencers who are sent
there. and kind of like that's what
Charlie Kirk was surrounded by there
along with Bill Aman who apparently
organized this entire thing who has been
just since October 7th strongarmming his
way through institutions across this
country to bully them into pro-Israel
submission and apparently his next
target was Charlie Kirk because of what
Charlie Kirk was doing at TPUSA
specifically allowing Tucker Carlson to
come on stage and referring to Bill Aman
as a Jeffrey Epstein associate who was a
scam artist and a charlatan uh who had
made his money through nebulous means.
And so it all kind of fits together.
Why do you think Netanyahu felt the need
to go on national television and
expressly deny that Israel assassinated
Kirk? I mean, who does that?
Yeah. Well, why why do millions of
people I mean you you see it all over
social media. They think Israel had some
involvement because of the way they've
been conducting themselves around the
world in the region. Netanyahu is not
just waving waging a sevenfront war.
He's carrying out an assassination spree
in broad daylight all across the region
including inside a US ally. And you have
this record of Charlie Kirk which backs
up everything I heard on background
going out in public and you can see he's
anguished. He's angry. He's almost like
on the verge of going crazy because he's
under so much pressure from Netanyahu's
cutouts in the United States. So, you
know, people are taking the reality
and to another level where it's an
unsubstantiated theory. I have no
evidence that Israel had any role in
Charlie Kirk's assassination, but
they're taking it there because of what
they know about Israel and its
capabilities and its ruthlessness and al
along with the fact that the official
story just keeps collapsing and is so
murky and filled with contradictions
that no one knows really what to make of
of any of this. Did you learn from your
sources
if Kirk believed that President Trump
was frightened
of Benjamin Netanyahu?
Well, I didn't I don't know what Kirk
thought and I I've never met him even
though I've been following him for about
10 years.
One of my sources
knows people in the White House. I mean,
the Trump White House is very
accessible, I should say. I mean, I've
gotten sources in there, like very good
sources, and I can tell you some of the
things that they've been saying, but
this one particular source said has said
um that, and this is something I've been
hearing around Trump's circle for years,
Trump was always afraid of assassination
because of all the of the the attacks
that he was under because he was always
compared to Hitler and so on. Then he
faces a real assassination attempt. So,
of course, he's afraid of that. He's
very afraid of Netanyahu and his
capabilities. And uh during one of
Netanyahu's many trips to Washington
this year, Israeli agents placed
electronic devices on Secret Service
emergency response vehicles on two
separate occasions. This is what source
told me with very
Did the Secret Service arrest these
Israeli agents?
They found the devices and this is what
I was told by a Trump insider. So, I
can't call up if I called up the Secret
Service and asked them to confirm this,
they just wouldn't even acknowledge it.
It's not something that's going to
happen. But there's a precedent there.
The precedent is in 2019, three
high-ranking former US officials told
Politico that Israel had done the exact
same thing, placing Stingray cell phone
surveillance devices around the White
House and insensitive locations
throughout Washington to surveil Donald
Trump's uh phone communications. Now,
who would get access to those locations?
First of all, you can't just send uh you
know uh Schlommo Mossad up in there.
He's not going to get access. But
Benjamin Netanyahu has access and his
own security team. And actually in 2017,
Boris Johnson, the former Israeli prime
minister, wrote in his memoir that
Netanyahu went into his personal toilet
and left a surveillance device, a
listening device. That British security,
his personal security, found a listening
device after Netanyahu used his personal
toilet. This was reported in the
Telegraph, the British Telegraph, which
is a pro-Israel publication. So, I I I
would I wouldn't just uh I would have
just dismissed this, but there's just
such a strong precedent there, and it
frightens people inside the White House
when you have this foreign intelligence
agency, which is carrying out a
genocide, which can basically funds your
campaigns through cutouts like Miriam
Madison. Netanyahu is calling it into
the White House demanding personnel
changes all the time. That's what I've
heard. And you think you can defy them
and uh not provide them weapons when
they are in this war that they think is
the most important existential war in
the history of Israel. No, you can't
just do that. So, it stands to reason
that Trump is afraid. And that's what I
was told by an insider with access to
Trump.
You think more is going to come out on
all this? I mean, you you've been
researching this since since Charlie was
murdered for 4 days now. Well, it's not
just it's after I put out the first
story, I just started
getting more
information that I never expected to
have that dovetailed with rumors that I
was seeing on social media and provided
detail to them. And this I think is
kind of just it's a history about
this USIsrael special relationship
that's being uncovered right now that
shows just how how it's collapsed is
completely collapsed because when you I
think when you lose Charlie Kirk I don't
mean physically but when you lose when
they lost him politically or if they
lost him politically and he starts
refusing your funding refusing
Netanyahu's offer to fund his
organization to the hilt, which was
which was what I told he did, then
you've lost the game.
Did he refuse to fly to Israel and meet
with Netanyahu?
That's what I was told and that's what
Candace Owens, who was a lot closer to
Charlie Kirk than me, just said on her
live stream that he rejected that offer.
So Netanyahu delivered a video eulogy to
Charlie Kirk and and held this letter
that he said he sent him inviting him to
Israel to Jerusalem two weeks before his
death. Why would you do that if Charlie
Kirk refused? Like how much of a sick
sociopath do you have to be? But then
again, Bill Aman
the day after Charlie Kirk was killed
took to Twitter X to declare that he had
a meal this summer with Charlie Kirk and
spent time with him and he was a giant
of a man. I mean, how deranged do you
have to be to say that when the reality
was that this was described as an
intervention in which Charlie Kirk was
hammered by Bill Aman and put under all
this pressure which poured out into that
Megan Kelly interview. I mean, we're not
dealing We're dealing with real
sociopaths here.
Max, you're you are second to none when
it comes to
the the skull duggery you go through,
your personal courage and your
understanding of all of these uh
profound issues and interrelated uh
factors here. I I can't thank you uh
enough. Uh I know you're going to be
doing some other things for a day or so,
but uh if more of this comes out and you
want this audience, please let us know
you you have it at your disposal. Let me
let me just say one thing that I've been
hearing from a Trump administration
source, like someone who's in the white
a Trump administration official, and
I've heard this from other areas close
to the Trump administration, which is
that they don't really feel like they're
hearing enough from the FBI. The FBI is
not being transparent. And that's the
way that the American people feel about
this. And so the longer they that goes
on
Oh, transparent over what the
they're not sharing information, they're
not like they want to see like video of
the the muzzle flash from the roof and
see where the shot came from. And since
that's not forthcoming even at the
highest level, the public is is becoming
more, I hate to say it, but
conspiratorial.
And this is just going to fester until
we get some answers. So, what we need
are answers and we need a real
investigation into this and we need a
real investigation into the Ryan Ruth
assassination attempt since he was
connected to Ukraine and its
international legion and was having
meetings on Capitol Hill. It's very
strange how that one was buried as well
as the
uh Butler, Pennsylvania shooting. That
one just kind of
went away. Do do the people in the White
House fear that Robinson did not pull
the trigger that propelled the fatal
shot?
I think that anyone who's not getting
answers who's in the administration
has a lot of suspicion and questions
about what's going on. And but let me
again say I'm totally content to believe
the official story if if it's proven, if
it's demonstrated, if we get some
evidence. But where is that? And also
and and additionally, I see no I have no
evidence that Israel played any role.
I'm not here saying that. But consider
how the public is going to react here
when we live in this digital panopticon
where everything around us is filmed
through active or passive surveillance.
Cell phones were everywhere filming
Charlie Kirk along with real cameras and
we still have missing angles.
So, about two hours ago, Dan Bonino told
uh Fox News that they're looking for an
accomplice.
I I I don't even know who to trust. I
mean, do we trust this podcaster guy?
But yeah, they're
He's a podcaster guy, but he's number
two in the FBI.
Yeah, I mean, he's Well, he's certainly
unhappy, but he's there. and and Cash
Patel said that there was a manifesto
left by Tyler Robinson, but it is
disappeared or destroyed and they're
going to try to forensically reconstruct
it. Look, everything could come together
by tomorrow, but right now it's it's not
it's there there isn't there isn't
enough there to clearly convict a lone
wolf shooter.
Uh it it and therefore the public is
going to develop its own theories.
Thank you, Max. Thanks for all your
work. Thanks for the privilege of having
you break this news uh right here. A
forum that is always available to you
even though you have your own enormous
forum. Uh my best to you and your
family.
Thanks a lot, Judge.
Of course. Wow. Coming up tomorrow on
all of this at 8 in the morning,
Ambassador Chaz Freeman. At 11 in the
morning, Max's wonderful colleague Aaron
Mate. At 3:00 in the afternoon, Colonel
Karen Quartcowski and all of your
Judging Freedom favorites by the end of
the week. Judge Npalitano for Judging
Freedom.