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Jeffrey Epstein Abused Me For Years... That's When I Discovered His Most Horrific, Secret Crimes
Truth Be Told
Dec 18, 2025 #jeffreyepstein #epsteinfiles #ghislainemaxwell

Channel Disclaimer: This documentary includes discussions of Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, and sexual abuse. Please watch with care.
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Rina Oh was a rising New York City artist - until she was drawn into the world of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. Suddenly, Rina was surrounded by predators engaged in human trafficking, exploitation, and child sexual abuse. Now, she breaks years of silence to tell her heartbreaking story of the abuse she endured from Jeffrey Epstein - and to reveal his most horrific crimes, which have never been made public.
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After a world-shattering break-up, Rina leaned on someone she trusted: her friend, model Lisa Phillips, who promised to help her get back on her feet. Instead, that trust would lead Rina directly into the orbit of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.

What followed was a descent into a world defined by manipulation, coercion, and abuse - one designed to confuse, isolate, and silence its victims. Behind closed doors, power replaced consent, and fear replaced agency. Rina was trapped inside a system built to protect its perpetrators and erase the voices of the young women caught inside it.

Rina got a look inside - and experienced - the heart of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell's human trafficking and abuse. She met central figures in their world, including Virginia Giuffre - and learned about horrific crimes that have never been made public... until now.

For years, Rina was unsure anyone would believe her - or that speaking out could ever matter against men so powerful. Now, with the Epstein Files about to be released, she finally feels able to break her silence.

She tells her survival story not only to expose the abuse she endured by Jeffrey Epstein, but to reclaim her voice and confront a global trafficking network - outing the depths of Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, and their inner circle's horrific crimes.



Transcript

Meeting Jeffrey Epstein
Jeffrey told me that Gilan had something to show me upstairs. Go meet Gilan in
the bedroom. Immediately when he told me this, I was like scared to death. What does this mean? I'm going upstairs into
the bedroom and she's waiting for me in the bedroom. In 2000, Reena O was 21 and
rising fast in New York's art scene. Then her relationship with her art dealer boyfriend imploded, sending her
life into freef fall. Reena leaned on her friend, model Lisa Phillips, trusting her promise to help. Instead,
that trust would lead Reena deep into the twisted world of Jeffrey Epstein and Galain Maxwell. She's never felt able to
reveal the pair's most horrific crimes until now. Lisa was a model and I was an
artist. We were part of the same friends group and she was one of my best friends. She saw how heartbroken I was
when my ex-boyfriend and I broke up. This was like the first real boyfriend I ever had. I lost myself in that
relationship. So, um, I didn't do a lot of my artwork and that's why it was so
hard for me when the breakup took place. And I went back to making artwork full-time. I was working on this really
beautiful sculpture um that I started when I was in high school and it took me about 4 years to finish it. So, I
finished it that summer and I wanted to sell an addition. Lisa announced that she knew the perfect person to buy an
addition of the sculpture. She mentioned Jeffrey Epstein. Um that he was a billionaire and she met him on
his private island. He had a private jet. Um she also described him as
looking like Richard Gear from Pretty Woman. And I was like, "Sure." Sure. Like I would love to meet this art
collector that lives in this, you know, huge townhouse in, you know, the the
most expensive u zip code in New York City. I went to his house with Lisa and
I brought my portfolio with me. The butler escorted us into the great room. For the first um half of the meeting, we
sat in in this great room where he keeps his u work desk. He knew Lisa from
before and he greeted her and um and then I was introduced
and you know he asked me like what do you do like how old are you and I
answered how old I was? I was 21. Um I'm an artist. And and he's like oh you're
an artist. Like he's like oh like what kind of artwork do you do? And I was like well I brought my portfolio if you want to see. and I I showed it to him
and he seemed genuinely interested in the artwork. I was really happy. I was
like maybe he'll buy, you know, a couple of pieces or um specifically that one
sculpture. Jeffrey um made it very clear that he had immense
wealth and was very connected was very powerful and just the setting in itself
um set a lot of social boundaries or or
um uh like a separation of social class. I was dealing with someone who had
extreme wealth and he's a very intimidating person and it's very hard to say no to someone like that. That
sort of set the tone for the way he treated me. He just asked us to follow
The first assault
him. He just escorted the two of us into this dark like hallway.
Epstein led Reena and Lisa into his now notorious massage room. There he
assaulted them. something happened and I just felt like that was something I had
to do. He had a a very very small um
like genitals and they were deformed. Some people have called it egg shape but I I think it was more in shape of a
lemon and and it's because it it was very tapered off towards um uh like both
ends and that's not normal. I've never seen anything like that in my life. I haven't even seen it in in like anatomy
books or other animals don't don't have um genitals that look like that. I still
to this day haven't really processed that day and and that first time um it
was not normal. He knew exactly what he was doing, but I didn't know what was happening. And um I'm not certain if
Lisa knew that was going to happen that day. It was something I wasn't expecting
and I didn't like it at all. Um, but I felt like I had no choice if I'm with
this person or around this person who um offered to be an art patron of mine.
This was just something that women have done for a very long time. Like they have been sexually exploited by other
artists or art patrons. And this was kind of something that um was normal in
the art world. After the assault, Reena and Lisa left Epstein's home. Outside, Reena still
felt deeply unsettled until Lisa spoke to her about what had just happened. She called me the next day and she said,
"Jeffrey really liked you and you know, oh my god, like you know, you should go see him again." and and you know
Epstein draws Rina in
immediately after that the secretary called and told me that Jeffree wanted
to see me again and um we made an appointment and I went over to the
house. I still wanted to sell my paintings and and my my sculptures and I
was hoping that he would buy something or I would get something from from going
over there um in this business in the art world.
A collector will usually not buy an artist's work, especially if they're an
unknown artist um after seeing it for the first time. They usually like having
relationships with the artist um knowing them for a while. Like it may take
sometimes a couple years for a collector to buy a piece or several months. The
second time I went to see him, I was escorted directly into that room. not
the study, but the room where the first assault took place. And then I entered the room. There's actually a stranger or
another girl in the room with Jeffrey and they were both waiting for me. She
actually ended up being someone that I knew. She was a sex worker who uh was a
exotic dancer that my ex-boyfriend had met at while she was working and she was
giving him a life dance and they became friends and you know it was really
shocking to see this girl that I never liked and and then to see her in that room waiting with Jeffrey Epstein. I
think even to this day that she was going to participate in um you know an act of you know like
sexual assault. Um but since we knew each other and there was some sort of
history he um forfeited like making us do something in in front
of him or or nothing really happened that day. Yeah. me sit next to him, pull up a chair, and that's when he offered
the art scholarship to go to art school. And that's something that um I really
wanted to do for for a long time, but I just I couldn't afford it, and my
parents didn't want to pay to send me to art school. I think he absolutely used
that um strategically to
uh establish a longterm relationship between abuser and victim. Um a 4-year
degree equals 4 years of ongoing um abuse.
But at the time I had no idea that that's what it was going to be. I accepted the scholarship right away. Um,
and he just told me, "You should follow up um with with his employees and they
were going to make all the arrangements." And he even told me which school to to study at. He said, "You
should go to the School of Visual Arts. That's where I'm sending you." It he didn't ask me, "What art school would
you like to go to?" and I actually wanted to go to Parson School of Design. Um, but he told me where he wanted me to
go. So, I I just listened to him. I was like, um, I wasn't going to argue with someone who's offering to pay for art
school. Soon, the scholarship became a tool Epstein used against Reena. But then, he continued to lure me back
into the townhouse. Jeffrey traveled a lot. um he was either in Florida or or
on his island or you know traveling to Europe and whenever he returned to New
York I would get a phone call and there was an appointment that would be made
and each time I went back I felt like I needed to go back cuz now he was paying for my art education
and you know the philanthropist who's financing my education
is calling me to come see him. And so it it it was very hard to say no.
And I didn't say no and I did go back whenever he called. And in the beginning it was several times a week and it went
on for several months. He always liked telling me to sit down next to him on the desk like he was giving me a lecture
What Epstein wanted
of some kind. So I I quietly sat next to him while he gave me a lecture. He also
just loved speaking instead of listening. Like he was very um well he's
he was absolutely a narcissist. So narcissists usually like hearing their own voice and they don't really allow
the other person to speak. So he was very intimidating and also he dominated
the conversations all the time. He called himself my mentor. So I I viewed
him as this sort of like older um you know like teacher type of person
and that's the type of relationship we had except that he would take me into strange dark rooms and something would
happen with my teacher. I never showed him that I was upset because I'm I'm
from the Korean culture and um he was an older man um close to my parents age
actually and you know I just viewed him as someone who was older than me that I
should never disrespect. It's it's it goes against my cultural values to talk
back to someone who was older than me. I never talked back to him. I I never
interrupted him when he spoke. I always just like listened and and that's why um
he really liked me a lot and Jeffrey always told me how obedient I was. I
The role of "massage"
can't remember um every single time. The times I do remember very very vividly
are every single time that some stranger was in that room with him. And um I
certainly didn't like it. That's not something I consented to. It was always a female and it was always a a certified
massage therapist or someone who was get who was there to give them like a massage who knew how to actually like
give a massage. To this day, I have an issue with professional massage
therapists, especially if they're female and especially if they knew him and they were around him. I automatically think
that they participated in the abuse of the victims. And I hear a lot of these
stories of the other girls, they were asked to give him a massage. He never asked me, Reena, give me a massage. I
was never shown by anyone how to give Jeffrey Epstein a massage.
Um, and that's just something that wasn't asked of me. I actually never participated in that type of behavior.
And at the same time, it's really triggering to hear the word massage in
the massage room. Like I hate using that word alto together. And I I have renamed it the red room because it was very red.
That the room was very obscure and dark. And um maybe he did that strategically
so that the victims wouldn't remember too many of the details because if it
was very well lit, I think I would have remembered more of everything that
happened in that room. Um but it was pretty dark. He never asked like me or
anyone else that I I I saw in that room to touch him like that part of his body.
He mostly liked to watch like the girls um either with each other or or just
watch a naked girl in the room or or he would usually do something to me like
I'm not I wasn't doing something to him. And I know there are a lot of rumors
The Epstein tapes
about um tapes existing and how he may have taped all of his victims. I don't
think that's true because um I don't think he would have wanted to to be seen
like you know fully exposed um and and showing um his deformed like genitals
because he was really really deformed. And if there was any type of um uh
filming, maybe those cameras may have pointed in a different part of the room where he
was not in the scene. You know, maybe the cameras were
pointing to um you know, the end of the massage table, for example, and maybe that's
where things happen with other girls. Um, and then maybe he sat in the corner
because I do recall Jeffree sitting in the corner several times when I was
surprised by by these massage therapists in in that room. Then without warning, Epstein revoked
Epstein's abuse escalates
Reena's scholarship, forcing her to drop out of art school. He took that away um when he wasn't
getting what he wanted out of me. He wanted me to come back on my own and I
never did that. I never picked up the phone, called his secretary, um, anyone that worked for him or called
him directly and told him I wanted to come over like most of the other girls. He always had to come um he always had
to call me or or have someone call me to go see him. And after he took that away,
um, he commissioned me to make a painting. Um
and and then I used that money to go on a on a vacation and then I came back from the
trip. He like knew exactly when I was coming back too. He called me to come see him. Um
and I went from that to he offered me a place to live for but only for a short
amount of time. for the time period where I stayed in one of the apartments. I
must have gone over there almost every day and I felt like if I didn't go to the townhouse, I was going to get kicked
out of the apartment. The deeper Epstein drew Reena into his world, the more severe the abuse became.
He just tried new things with me, you know, repeatedly to see um how he can
test my boundaries. And it escalated pretty quickly um
especially with the strangers, you know, who were surprising me in the
room with him. And due to the fact that it escalated so quickly,
it just became normalized when I was around him that these things
were happening. A month later, he was offering me a job. Like he even told me where I was going to work. He got me
this job. All of a sudden, working for a charity, a children's charity. And
you know, it's it's not what I wanted to do. I expected a job in the art world.
you know, maybe working for a really nice art gallery, for example,
um or working with a famous artist as an assistant. That would have been a great
opportunity. But now he he was controlling what I was doing with my life. He was donating money to a charity
and then I was getting paychecks from this charity. Like he was paying for my salary. Kind of felt like he was trying
to buy me and I didn't like it. I ended up pursuing a full-time job that I got
on my own, not through Jeffrey, and and and I felt independent and I liked it.
Um, I don't think he liked it very much, but he pretended that he liked it. And then aside from that, I also was working
on a sculpture project through the art foundations that had supported my work
since I was in high school. Then he took the apartment away. So there was a lot of confusion. This is very common, a
very common tactic that sex predators use on their victims. And it's a it's a
it they're grooming to control you so that you will feel powerless.
You know, they have all the power. they're controlling you. And there's also um like a suspense and and a
feeling of like the unknown and to always fear that something will be taken
away or or they'll do something that you do not expect. And by then I was so
disassociated. I have no idea what was happening to me. and he was just sort of like like making me dance from every
angle like and you know like poking me like here I'm giving you this but I'm taking it away. After turning Reena's
life upside down once again, Epstein moved on obsessing about plans for his next vacation.
Epstein island
So for many many months um he asked me um you know will you go with me to the
island? who really wanted to take me to the island from from like the very beginning and I always refused to go
where I told him I couldn't go. I always had an excuse and at the time I couldn't really travel. I didn't have um
permanent residency status but I had my application um that was pending and I was waiting to
be interviewed and I just didn't want to leave the country until I had my green card. Then I recall um Jeffrey calling
the pilot and asking him, you know, uh explaining the situation and the pilot
told him, well, it's a domestic flight. She can absolutely go and I still didn't want to leave because it's outside of
the domestic US. And so I still said no. And and then he suggested Florida
instead. And that's how I ended up going to Florida. At the Florida house, Reena met Galain Maxwell and saw how she and
Meeting Ghislaine Maxwell
Epstein operated together. He was not very fond of her. It seemed like they were like like like worst
enemies when when I saw the two of them together and um they argued a lot and
they they had this kind of like back and forth and they were constantly insulting
each other and I never I had never seen people interact that way before in my life. He would make some like obscene
gestures at her and then she would gesture back and I thought it was really
strange and bizarre. But then Jeffree was a bizarre person. I I never suspected that the two of them had a
romantic relationship in the past. I I thought for many many years that it was all a lie. It was a a setup and it was a
front for something else that the two of them were doing together. And it wasn't until the Maxwell trial and the FBI
released um these images of the two of them together in in like intimate
settings. And I was shocked to see that if they were a couple at at in the beginning at some point, this would have
been like the end of a really bitter divorce. Reena quickly realized the trip was
A trip to the Florida house
nothing like Epstein had promised. He made it sound like a vacation when he
initially invited me. There was another girl that was there with me. We were just contained
in the house. Anytime we left the house, we were escorted by Jeffrey. Um, he had
access to cars and Gilan had access to cars. Um, they were freely going in and
out of the house. I didn't have any money. I just didn't even know where I was. and
it wasn't a fun trip for me. Reena felt a surge of relief when she saw a familiar face arrive. Virginia
Virginia Giuffre
Roberts, later known as Virginia Dury. I met Virginia in New York, but it was a
very short meeting. It was like an introduction. Virginia was over at the house almost every day and at one point
I actually even saw her bringing girls and leaving the house with the girl. and met her ex-boyfriend
um several times. He was driving her back and forth and and the other girls. Virginia and Gilan were very very close
that I noticed. Um they they had a very close relationship. If Gilan were
teacher and Virginia was a student, uh Virginia would have been the teacher's
pet. So that's the type of relationship the two of them had. He explained why
Virginia was there. He said, "I'm waiting for her to turn 18 and then I'm going to start doing things with her."
He told me when I was 21, I was too old. I knew she was getting groomed from that
day going forward. The trip continued to spiral, becoming a full-blown nightmare.
Rina refuses Epstein
Jeffrey attempted to abuse me with another stranger
at the house in Florida. He just told me like, "Meet me here at this time." And
then I went up and and you know I thought he was going to be there alone and then here's another stranger and um
yeah he attempted to do something and I actually um that was the only time that I walked out of the room
um because they were already engaged in something and and you know like I I went
in and then I went out. Even then Epstein kept testing and crossing Reena's boundaries. the stories
that I've heard um from Jeffrey. He has told me a lot of different stories and he thinks they're really funny. He
thought they were funny stories and I thought they were really gross and mortifying stories of girls doing things
to each other. Gilan was involved and she was facilitating all of this. Jeffrey told me that Gilan had something
Ghislaine's "surprise"
to show me upstairs like go meet Gilan in the bedroom. And I just initially
like, you know, immediately when he told me this, I I was like scared to death.
What does this mean? I'm going upstairs into the bedroom and she's waiting for me in the bedroom. So, I thought she was
going to assault me. Like this was going to be like a three-way another, you
know, surprise situation. but it's with Gilon now. That's what I thought was
initially going to happen. Um, but no, she actually wanted to show me her
closet and she gestured for me to come and she just had this huge grin on her
face and I didn't know what to expect and she just opened these this door and and pulled out a jar and and there were
all these sex toys that were in there and um there were things that I never
saw around Jeffree before, so I knew these were hers. I want to know what she
was doing with those items or what the others were doing with those items because we have the testimony of the
former butler that worked at the Florida mansion who testified and said he had to
clean these objects. We need to figure out what was really going on in that Florida house and why no one is asking
questions about that closet that Gilon had and what were the girls doing with
these things. They want to know if there were any adult like females that were doing things to these like minor girls
that were in high school. And uh I want these answers.

Soon after Epstein pulled Reena aside
for another horrifying surprise. He asked me, "Rena, have you ever heard
of a Thai massage? Like do you know what that is?" And I was like, "No, what's a Thai massage?" And he described what it
was. And then he explained to me that he went to Thailand. And he told me the
last one he got was from a 12-year-old Thai, you know, a prostitute. He
just called her a prostitute. He also during the same conversation told me
that he went to Thailand to engage in sex acts and he called them child prostitutes and that really bothered me.
He just viewed these girls as prostitutes and he was doing things with
girls in Russia and also bringing them here. But he was also doing a lot of
darker things with even younger girls and those were the Asian girls. His
number one thing was little Asian girls and they were much younger than 14 years
old and he traveled to Asian countries to engage in in you know really bad
things with these children. This is where I get really angry. This is just outright inhumane. I actually repeated
what he told me. I told Virginia and that's how Virginia found out about the
Thai massage fetish that he had. And then she went back and told him the next day what I had said. Virginia used that
as an opportunity to try to get rid of me.
He was clearly up to something with Ghislaine and and Ghislaine didn't like the
other girls that that were not loyal to her. I was not there for her. The other
girl that was staying at the house was also not there for her and she didn't like either one of us. And then he, you
know, asked me to sit down again the following day and then he yelled at me. Like that was the first time I really
saw him get really angry and scary, and he was mortified. That was
like one of his biggest secrets that she didn't even know. And Ghislaine didn't even know this. And I assumed they all knew,
you know, like this was like an open secret of his and it wasn't. He had only told me, and I betrayed him, and he
threatened me that day. You know, he told me he was going to do something to me if I ever told anyone what really
went on around him. And I kind of started
distancing myself from Jeffrey after that trip. I had tolerated so much of
his behavior, but that was just something that I just like I didn't want to be around him.

After that trip,
I saw very little of Jeffrey um going forward for for a while. He knew I was
busy working on my sculpture project. I didn't have a cell phone, so he didn't
have a way to reach me, but that was around the time that Virginia started
traveling with him a lot. Finally, Epstein managed to reach Reena and pressured her into coming to see
him. The last time I saw him, that's something I don't want to share. It's actually very triggering, and I may get a
panic attack if I start talking about it. He clearly did something that really upset me, and he knew it. He actually got
very defensive because of how upset I got. You know, it's very natural for a narcissist, someone with narcissistic
personality disorder, to get angry when they're confronted with doing something wrong. And that was his reaction was
anger. I had left that house crying. I ran down the street. That's how bad it was. And it was
winter. And I just remember how cold it was. And it just felt like icicles
were hitting like my skin. Like I just felt like all the energy just
draining out of my body. It was really like horrible. I never saw him after that.
I just didn't want anything to do with him.

To this day I have not walked
down that street. I have kind of like inched my way around like the corner
maybe, but I haven't um been back to uh
East 71st Street in over two decades.
I reacted by starving myself, you know, because I hated what he did to me that
last day that much. That's the lasting damage that something like this can
cause a victim. And most people, they don't understand because they haven't
been through this. But but other survivors, they know and they
understand because they also had these issues. A lot of us have um PTSD
and um you know body dysmorphia issues because of of things that were out of
control after that incident took place. I just cut off New York City from my
Rina flees Epstein's world
life. I avoided um Manhattan altogether for for a very long time because I didn't want to run
into anyone that knew Jeffrey Epstein or anyone associated with Jeffrey Epstein. I stopped speaking to Lisa Phillips,
too. Um, any of the other girls that were around Jeffrey. I started um a whole new group
of friends that were not part of this scene. I ended up in Williamsburg. You
know, I was with like a completely different social class. and I starked my
body for for about a year until I I didn't recognize myself
anymore in the mirror and um and I knew I had a problem when when I was able to
feel like my spine and and I started seeing ribs and um I checked myself into
uh you know an outpatient clinic and I had to learn how to eat again. It
A new life
was maybe like 3 years later that I met my husband and um
it wasn't until I um I had to feed another um sorry
another life um inside my body
that I um I started um
finally um having a federal a relationship with food and my body
because I I had to feed someone else.
And it took me that that's what it took um for me to be okay with the way I
looked. And um
and it was for the first time that I stopped counting calories and
after my children were born, I uh I pursued uh a culinary career
and uh I began to love food for the first time in a long time.
Before Reena could process or even speak about what had happened to her, she was publicly portrayed as Epstein's
Rina's story is stolen from her
girlfriend and a recruiter. For me, it led to uh years um of um
mental anguish, stress, and not being able to live normally.
Um I was basically nonfunctional for my family. And I'm really angry about this.
The government doesn't identify me as a recruiter. They told me that I was just
a victim and um unfortunately I had to file a lawsuit to prove that I was a
victim that got victimized by Jeffrey Epste. People started treating me differently. My husband says that's the
way you should have been treated from day one, but you were falsely labeled. Today, Reena is dedicated to helping
other survivors feel safe enough to come forward and to uncovering any international crimes committed by
Epstein and members of his inner circle. Everyone knows Thailand is a hot spot
What Rina is demanding from the government
for pedophiles. Now, I'm tying Jeffrey Epstein to Thailand and him going to Thailand and
participating in these acts. Virginia was sent to Thailand to sex traffic a
little small Asian child to bring back for Jeffrey to exploit. I want to know
who else went on these sex trafficking trips because he was sending other massage therapists to different exotic
locations all over the world. And I want to know if there were massage therapists who were traveling around the world
bringing back children for Jeffrey Epstein to exploit. Jeffree is no longer here, but the victims, I hope they're
still alive, and I hope they start coming forward. I I do want the United States government to work with the
government of Thailand and help these victims come forward and start speaking
cuz we need we need the whole truth now. We need a full transparency of what he
did everywhere else, not just Florida. And anyone who enabled this behavior,
they should be prosecuted.

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I Know Why Trump Made Epstein His Best Friend | Inside Trump's Head
Michael Wolff joins Joanna Coles
The Daily Beast
Dec 30, 2025
Inside Trump's Head

Michael Wolff joins Joanna Coles to trace the unsettling origins of Donald Trump’s relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, long before public scandal or denial. Wolff begins with their bond in the late-1980s New York, where Trump was chasing Manhattan legitimacy and Epstein was emerging as a fixer fluent in money, women, and leverage. From Trump introducing Epstein as “my associate—Jeffy,” a pattern forms of shared ambition, cruelty, and secrecy. Wolff links those early dynamics to Trump’s financial near-collapse in the 1990s and Epstein’s claim that he helped Trump survive bankruptcy while keeping his tax returns hidden. If Epstein helped shape Trump’s instincts before power, what does that say about the secrets that still follow him now?



Transcript

At Mar a Lago. There they have a beauty contest for what they call
what they're calling Calendar Girls. And they recruit all of these girls that come down to Mar a Lago for this beauty pageant.
When the girls get there, they find that it's an audience that consists of two,
and it's only Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein.
Michael. Joanna. So this is a special episode.
We thought we would do some special episodes throughout the holidays. And this is one that is going to trace the relationship of Donald Trump,
our current president, with Jeffrey Epstein, who died mysteriously
or possibly not in one of America's worst jails.
And the Epstein, Epstein, Epstein refers to it, of it all is the one thing
that has consistently unsettled him all year.
Well, the other thing is, you know, I, I mean, we've gone from his complete
denial about our relationship with, with Epstein and to a understanding, I think many people
seem now to understand this and and the evidence in in emails and other documentary
material establishes this, in fact, a very close relationship.
And certainly in my conversations with Epstein, he was always very particular about the fact
that they were the closest of friends for, well over a decade.
Right. So where do we begin, Michael? I mean.
Let's begin at the beginning, and I actually have a beginning.
Were you there at the beginning? Nothing would surprise me. Yes.
I was not there, but a very close friend of mine was there. In this would have been in the late
80s, probably 1988. And,
and it was in a, restaurant downtown.
And my friend was there with a man by the name of Charles Allen.
Now, Charles Allen is the father of of possibly the uncle.
It occurs to me of Herbert Allen who now runs Allen and Company, and Charles Allen was in fact the founder of Allen and Company.
So one of the senior most financiers, in New York City.
And at this point in the late 80s, Charles Allen was emeritus,
I think, in the firm, quite old at this at this point,
but very much still a presence in, in New York,
someone, anyone who is, who was in the money raising business and Trump was certainly in the money
raising business, would know and want to know. Okay. And, and Donald Trump
at this point was what a well known real estate developer was. He sort of at the beginning of peak Trump was this when he was on the front of the
New York Post all the time. Yeah. I mean, this would I think I think the art of the deal
was in 1989. So so that would have been that would have been the first flowering
of Donald Trump's Donald Trump's fame. But but he was a person trying to do deals
in, in New York had done a few significant I think he had done the Commodore Hotel.
That was his first major, major project. And he was very much on the scene and trying to be on the scene.
Okay. So Charles Allen brings them together. No, no, no. Charles Allen is just in a restaurant in New York having dinner.
Just without without, nothing to do with Donald Trump except Donald Trump then
comes into the restaurant and, and greets Charles Allen.
And the important part introduces him.
I'd like you to meet my, my associate, Jeffrey Epstein.
Jeffrey. Jeffrey, let's note the Jeffrey. The Jeffrey of it all.
The Jeffrey of it all. So that's the first moment that I can put,
Trump and Epstein together a witness, somebody I know, a piece of dialog.
There it is. And two people and very much. And and and at the intersection with an important person in New York City.
So Trump was sufficiently friendly with him that he was calling him Jeffrey, even in 1988.
And my and my associate. So it was a kind of, you know, I mean, clearly they have, they have they have a relationship,
possibly a business relationship, a flirtatious relationship. I, I don't I don't know the nature of the relationship, except that
that would indicate both Jeffrey and my associate that we are not,
that we that we are that we are well inside of an established friendship.
Okay. And Jeffrey and Donny, two boys out on the town. Two boys out on the town. Yes.
So, the next point at which I can put them together is a story
that Epstein told. And, and I think this occurs in
not long after, maybe 89, possibly 90.
Trump, Trump's father makes him look at a piece
of real estate in Brooklyn. Now Trump's entire
thing is to get out of the Burrows, to establish which is where his father's real estate business has flourished in Queens.
Right. I think in probably all the boroughs, it just is. Fred Trump was active everywhere
but in Manhattan because Manhattan was too expensive to glamor.
You know, the glamor premium, you know, a Fred Trump was a low rent real estate guy.
And he was not looking to be what Donald Trump came to look to be, which is so ugly.
I'm a guy. Donald Trump wanted the wanted the spotlight. Fred never wanted the spotlight, just wanted the profits.
So. And and Fred was always unhappy that his son was pursuing this this,
this Manhattan dream and at this point in time, but then was trying to restrain him.
Go look at this piece of property in Brooklyn.
So, Trump calls up his friend Jaffe and says, you know, I gotta do this, you know, will you come?
Will you come with me? And, and possibly
he said, and bring some girls because.
Trump then shows up in the limo in front of where Jeffrey
Epstein lives, which is on the East side, not in the big house. He would come to inhabit, but in an in an apartment on, I believe, on 69th Street.
But I could be. Wrong in a starter apartment complex, considering what would become of his real estate portfolio.
Yes, yes. I thought you were going to say in in the Sinatra apartment,
because Sinatra apartment then had an apartment over there also.
In a in a, you know, a building that Epstein could have inhabited.
But anyway, so Trump, Trump shows up the limousine, and the the
the detail is that the, the limousine has a, a,
what is that sliding roof? Right. Sunroof. Right. And so he pulls up and Epstein is outside
waiting for Trump, and he is with two girls. And each girls has a large dog on the leash.
Each girl has a large dog on the leash. Yes. And I, as I recall in the telling, they are Afghans.
So. And Trump stands up, puts his head through the through the roof of the limousine and says, no dogs, no dogs.
Of course, he did, because Trump is a man who's never had a relationship with an animal, let alone a dog man's best friend.
And Epstein says no dogs, no girls. So,
and that results in them all. Trump makes his decision. Dogs, the girls, and they all pile into the limousine
and, head to Brooklyn to look at this piece of real estate
and, and it's, as I recall, in Epstein's telling, it's a, it's a piece of, it's a piece of land.
There may be buildings on it, but it's basically a large tract tract of land.
And as they look at it, everything says to Trump, if you if you,
if you buy this, if you become a Brooklyn real estate developer, I don't want to have anything to do with you ever again.
What's this? This is it. You decide between you.
Your decision is between me and Brooklyn. And remember, this can't be. True, Michael.
This must be. This must be apocryphal. Oh, I don't think so.
Why would it be? I mean, it makes perfect sense. Epstein is from Brooklyn. Neither of them want to return to Brooklyn.
Brooklyn is glamorous now. Then it was not. Get me out of Brooklyn.
And Trump certainly didn't want to be there because his, you know, his he was only there because his father was instructing him.
This is what you have to you have to do. And Epstein doesn't want to be there because he he wants
to have nothing to do with it with, with Brooklyn. And and I think this goes to the there
kind of relationship, which is, which is competitive.
But they're kidding each other. But it's it's some something something is going is going on
a set of insults back and forth that, that I mean, that that rings quite true.
Well, and I suppose it shows a kind of intimacy to that. Epstein felt comfortable saying to Trump, it's me or
Brooklyn and Trump thinking, of course I don't want to be in Brooklyn. I want to be, the center of attention in Manhattan.
Exactly. And then Trump says, you know, I'm not gonna I I'm, you know, I'm just doing this. My father just making me do this, and this is this is never going to happen.
And then they head back to Manhattan and I believe, and they end up at a restaurant,
a restaurant called Mortimer's, which was on 75th and Lexington. Right. Which was.
Upper East Side at the side the. The society restaurant of the of the 19,
you know, of the 80s and 90s. And, and they are turned away.
They're turned away. Why are they turned away? Because they have two enormous Afghan dogs. Well, it could be because of the dogs, or it could be because it's Donald Trump.
It's not, you know, he he has not yet arrived. Or and he's still looked at as a, a guy from the boroughs.
Right. An arriviste. Right. So they're very, very,
so Trump is, is very unhappy with this, furious action, actually.
Well, and humiliated. Humiliated. And,
and that is so that's the end of this. That's what that's what I know of that.
Of that. Story. So bad day all round, forced by his father to go and examine a piece of real estate in Brooklyn, he never wants to by force, by his friend,
take two Afghan dogs in a stretch limo that he doesn't want.
And then he's rejected from a posh restaurant, which would symbolize his arriving in Manhattan.
And in fact, he was rejected and humiliated. It's a little bit like what happened to him at the 2011,
white House Correspondents Dinner, when Barack Obama humiliates him by poking fun at him.
It's a consistent theme throughout his life revenge. And the theme.
He is always trying to use his own fame and notoriety to counter that.
And in fact, that's the next the next moment that I know of.
In in his relationship with, with with Jeffrey Epstein.
And and I'm unclear on who knows who first, but this is the moment at which Robert Maxwell,
the, Just the right killer. Of Glenn Maxwell. And the disgraced British tycoon.
Yes. Steps in. He's not disgraced yet. Quite. Yeah, quite the opposite. He is at the top. The pinnacle of his.
Of his moment in time. And I think this is 1990. And he steps forward to by the Daily News.
Still a very significant newspaper. I mean, people barely know the Daily News exists at this point.
Right? But it was then. It was then, you know, a significant newspaper.
You could argue, actually, it's the largest circulation newspaper in New York at the time.
And, and clearly in Donald Trump's interest, I mean, Donald Trump becomes a Donald Trump
basically because of the attention of the New York tabloids.
So he and and again, I'm not sure who knew Maxwell first.
Whether it was Epstein, whether it was whether it was Trump, whether this is the moment that that Epstein meets Maxwell gets
introduced to the to the Maxwell family, which obviously would have,
repercussions, decades later. But, but
Trump becomes or represents himself to Maxwell
as someone who can help get this deal done.
He knows he knows the, he knows the real estate interests in New York.
Real estate is a is a major advertising category.
He also knows union people, union people. And at that point in time, the newspapers were highly unionized.
You couldn't do a deal if you didn't have the cooperations with the unions. And Michael, just just remind us,
who owned the New York Daily News at the time? Who was Maxwell buying it from?
I, I, I believe that was still owned
at that point by the Tribune Company. Michael, I'm enjoying this trip down memory lane.
The Maxwell's the daily news. It all seems so much more innocent than.
Well, yeah. I mean, these were two guys just trying to make it in the big city.
I mean, it is really not more than that at this point in time.
You know, I mean, Trump was building a profile. Epstein didn't have a profile.
I'm not sure he did. He want one maybe I, I don't I don't know, but he was actually interested.
You know, this whole idea of, of, of the Daily News of having an in at a major New York newspaper,
knowing the owner, getting involved in whatever. And remember, Maxwell was a crook.
He would go on to be a, you know, one of the great crooks of the, of the time.
How much were they attracted to that? Attracted to the what would we call that? The,
the not blue chip side of of of someone,
someone making his mark because they were both of them. Not blue chip guys trying to make their mark.
And this is fundamental to this, to this, that they were both outsiders.
Epstein an outsider. Trump an outsider. The guys from the boroughs trying to make it in
Manhattan. So, now.
A couple of things happen here. First, first of all, the the Max Maxwell buying the dealings.
Maxwell is a crook. And he is shortly to be found out and his ownership
of the Daily News collapses. Well, he collapses first. He goes, he kills himself or is killed
or slips and falls off of off of his yacht called the.
The lady killing. Yes. And then he's, So anyway. So then then the paper becomes,
part of the estate which is in bankruptcy. It's a it's a, it's a disaster.
But then Epstein, at this point,
actually, both Epstein and Trump step forward and get involved in, in,
the purchase of the paper by Moore Zuckerman, who's another real estate guy in, in New York and Zuckerman and,
and Epstein actually become become close friends.
I. Mean, meanwhile, we should just point out, not only does Robert Maxwell die
in mysterious circumstances like Jeffrey Epstein goes on to do, but he pillages
the pension fund of his British newspapers to the tune of half $1 billion, which is an unheard of scam.
Just the scale of the scam at the time was was almost beggars belief.
And of course, he was busy in his own way as an outsider trying to compete with Rupert Murdoch.
So in the way that Jeffrey and Donny were hanging out, Robert Maxwell was in a battle to the death with Rupert Murdoch, but it turned out to be his own death.
And tracking that this is the moment when,
when Trump's business empire goes into extremis.
So Trump's bankruptcies Trump. Trump has to has to manage and navigate
several major bankruptcies at this time. I mean, deeply threatening to to all of his,
all of his interests, including the fact that he has personally guaranteed
much of the of the of of the loans that the banks are now calling.
And when you say his businesses, what were his businesses? Were these simply I say simply,
but were these purely real estate at this point. Purely real estate? Well, and I mean, gambling game, I mean, I mean, he has, you know, he.
Casinos, That he's expanded into Atlantic cities. He has a building projects in the city.
But but these are all, he has, he owns briefly an airline.
So he has bought Eastern Airlines. Why? I remember all these businesses, the names of these businesses from,
from, a half a century ago, I don't know, but eastern ran
the shuttle to Washington between New York and Washington, DC.
Oh, what a metaphor. That he owns that corridor, that shuttle flight to Washington.
Right. Well, he didn't own it for very long. Also a matter for a.
Matter of fact, as I recall, he missed his first. His first payment. And,
and then and then that went into bankruptcy. And that was, that was itself a legal kind of how did this happen?
Because if you miss your first payment in the bankruptcy, that means
basically, pretty much you've lied about your sources of financing.
It's not as if your business, the business as you projected, did not do as well as you thought it would do and put you in extremis.
But from the first day, you're in extremis. And, so why that was.
And, and actually, Epstein would always chortle about that. How Trump got away with, with the,
with the eastern shuttle or as it became, of course, the Trump shuttle. But it wasn't only that there was a whole set of bankruptcies.
You know, the the Atlantic City bankruptcies, the, the problems with the New York real estate
and the fact that suddenly he owed the banks $1 billion.
Wow. Now, this is where where, where Epstein gets kind of deeply involved with Trump's with Trump's
businesses, which which is that, you know, what am I going to do? Trump is like, what am I going to do?
And, and it was then Epstein's suggestion, one of the key things.
So he managed basically, I mean, his, his, his,
his situation was so extreme that that effectively
the banks had to agree to take a bath on this, that they, they said, we are we are going to forgive you these deaths.
Now, how that came about is another story which which I think is completely unclear.
But they forgave him these debts of up to about $1 billion and when.
So the problem there, though, is when the banks forgive you your debts, that becomes income.
You have to pay taxes on it. In theory. And obviously if and and or
would seem apparent that if you can't pay, if you don't have the billion dollars to return to the banks, you probably don't
have the half $1 billion that taxes on that money is going to cost.
And it was, again, Epstein chortling his claim,
that he was the one who told Trump that actually, none of this because of the nature,
the nature of this, you really haven't gotten the money. It never has come in as income and exists.
And forgiveness sort of exists, in a different order of ether,
unknown to the IRS that, you just don't have to pay it, which Epstein would then come to later
maintain was one of the key reasons that we've never, to this day, have never seen Donald Trump's Donald Trump's tax returns.
How is it possible that we haven't seen his tax returns? How is it possible? How was all of this possible?
How was any of this possible? Yeah. It's true. I'm finishing your sentences at this point.
It's horrifying. It's horrifying, and it's fascinating. So. So what was Jeffrey Epstein doing at this stage?
I mean, obviously he was was he post the Ponzi scheme that he got caught up in but managed to avoid and someone else went to jail at this point.
So he was. Horsburgh, a man, but a gentleman by the name of Hoffenberg. And this know this. This would have been just about the same time.
Right? So they were both caught up in weird financial. Weird weird financial.
No. And it's important to understand that that's what these guys to not be blue chip.
So everybody understands blue chip is you know, your financing is in you know your collateral was is
is sufficient. You have relationships with, with established banks and bankers
with, your your what, your what you're supposed to be you are part of a financial establishment.
These two guys are not, and, you know, people in the real estate business are often, you know, there's,
you know, there's blue chip real estate guys. And then there is guys who are not blue chip real estate guys. Trump very much not a not a,
a blue chip real estate guy. And remember, this is a moment in time, you know, a great debt bubble,
which is in the process at this moment in time of, of bursting. Although there will be many debt bubbles afterwards.
But in which there was you could you, you know, if, if you were willing to.
What would be the let's let's think of the, if you could fake it,
if you were of the fake it to you make it variety. It was a pretty good time.
Except when the bubble burst, then you get, then you get caught out and Epstein himself, what did he do?
What was his business background? Certainly it not not blue chip. I mean, it's always the questions, the questions equally about Donald Trump
and Jeffrey Epstein are always, where did the money come from? How did they get this, this, this,
this money? You know, I mean,
I mean, Epstein describe would later describe when Donald Trump bought Mar-A-Lago.
He bought it from, essentially a loan provided by construction unions
in New York against promises of work that he would deliver. Or all of this, again, is is,
less less then blue chip. Less than blue chip. Okay. And is possibly illegal even, but,
you know, you're always straddling the line here. And remember Donald Trump, who's been in litigation throughout the entirety
of of his career, this became his fundamental talent. I can walk the line, you know, and walking
the line means not only that, you have to have the, the moral flexibility to do that,
but you also have to have the stomach for it because, you know, people are going to come after you because you're going to you're going people are going to try to
hold you accountable for that. And Michael, we've had on the Daily Beast podcast over the last few months,
two women that hung out with Epstein and said that Epstein would take them
almost as trophy girlfriends, they were both models, both gorgeous. One was Stacy Williams, who was a Sports Illustrated model.
The other, Cleo Glide, who was a model for Yves Saint Laurent. She was a muse there, and they both described
going with Jeffrey Epstein walking down Fifth Avenue when he was by this point installed in his big house,
and walking to Trump Tower and Donald Trump certainly jumping on Stacy Williams and groping her in front of,
Jeffrey Epstein, who then did nothing, did nothing, and then berated her in the elevator on the way down, shouting at her,
why did you let him do that? You know, you know, I think this this this would have been just in the
keeping the chronology straight a bit later, I think that House
comes into his possession in and I you know, it could be a year or two of think, but I think it's about 96.
Okay. So this is the. So maybe he didn't maybe they didn't set off from the house then
because they were both models in the late 80s, early 90s. But they described walking down Fifth Avenue
and Clio glide was wearing a short white dress. And listeners of that
podcast will remember he said, oh my God, you look like a nurse. You look like a nurse, Donald. Like this.
Do you have another friend who can wear a similar dress? And I'm going to arrive at his house and pretend you're two nurses total.
And that was always, I mean, first thing, that Epstein was always in a, in a like,
like that kind of gag, like he was a big gag guy.
But it was sort of evidence of them playing with women, toying with women and being in on, in on the jokes together.
Yeah. At this point, that's what I mean. That becomes, I mean, there are two, two basis of their relationships
really money and and money and women and goodness. And matter of fact in so in 1992, I believe,
and this is right after, you know, this is the Daily news, the Trump, the bankruptcies, doing all of what, whatever they're doing.
But in 1992 is the count, the famous calendar girl party,
which is that they have. Like the Calendar girl party. You know, at Mar-A-Lago there they have a beauty contest
for what they call what they're calling Calendar Girls. And they recruit all of these girls to come down to Mar-A-Lago
for this, for this beauty pageant. And, when the girls get there,
they find that there are only, that it's an audience
that consists of two, and it's only. Donald only, and. Jeffrey Epstein.
Donna and Jeffrey. And this would so this would be at Mar-A-Lago in, in, in 1992.
But again all it's always the the girls, the beauty pageant girls.
The models is a is a foundation of of this. And there's a story from about this this time,
you know, 92, 93 ish when, that, that Epstein told
about Trump at a, at a night place, night club
ish then I, you know, sort of a restaurant, but, you know, a hot place, at that
time called the China Club. And and Epstein says,
and this is later he's telling this he's no longer Trump's friend,
and is painting Trump as much more despicable than he is.
And he describes Trump Trump as, as going behind the bar and,
you know, effectively attacking the bartender, in a rather in public view.
A woman bartender or a male bartender. A woman bartender. Attacking a woman bartender.
Yes. Coming up behind her, you know that? Let's. Oh, that. Old trick that coming up behind you?
Yes. Right. And this is the period. So this is because of 93, 93, 94.
And, you know, Marla maples is now coming into this picture, but it is also the, the moment in which Epstein and Trump are sharing a girlfriend.
This is a Norwegian model.
And, and who I whatever the arrangement is back and forth, I mean, again, they're, they're,
they are playing with someone and they are this is their shared not only girlfriend but kind of a shared joke.
And I think, you know, there's reason it's,
you know, I would say sort of likely that his reference to this secret that we have in the birthday letter.
So remember, the birthday letter is in 1993, right? Jeffrey Epstein's fifth.
Letter from Trump to, Jeffrey Epstein. And he refers to our secret.
Wonderful secret, a wonderful secret. Okay. And that was the Norwegian girlfriend they both shared.
The, Well, we can, it would not be unlikely that that is what the references it was.
And that seemed to be a theme for Jeffrey Epstein, too, because he and Prince Andrew, who they.
Andrew, formerly known as Prince also shared Ghislaine Maxwell at one point.
You know, I mean Trump and Andrew. No, I mean Jeffrey Epstein and Prince Andrew also shared and Maxwell.
So this was one of Epstein's things that he was quite happy to share. Girlfriend. Oh, I. Think I think yeah.
No I think you what which that makes you know, I mean, the last thing that, that Jeffrey Epstein wanted with any of these women
was permanence, right? That's what he was most he was allergic to.
And, you know, at one point in my conversations
with, with Epstein when he was looking for how to rehabilitate his reputation,
and, what could he do? What could I said? Well, you could get married and have a family.
And he said, I would rather go back to jail. Well, lucky for him, he made the right choice then. Yes.
But he said he said to you I would rather go back to jail. Yeah. They lived in this, this world,
in in which there was no pretense and no value at all to domesticity.
Just the, the the very idea was contrary to everything.
And this is both Trump and Epstein, everything that they wanted to achieve.
And Marla maples now comes into the, into the picture,
Trump is married to a van. The marriage is
not the, you know, I think probably principally in name only at this point.
He, but he becomes involved with, with Marla maples.
They're we've discussed this. I think we've discussed this before. There's references this to the in the in the,
Epstein emails, Marla maples becomes pregnant,
where she tells Trump that she's pregnant. Trump goes to his friend Epstein and says, what am I going to do?
Epstein says, she's not pregnant. I guess just what they tell you to to,
to get you to marry them. And, you know, if she's if she's pregnant,
I'll send you, you know, a year's supply of. I'll bet a year's supply of, I think, baby food, diapers.
And at any rate, Trump then actually confirms that she is pregnant
and then goes back to Epstein and says, well, what am I going to do now? So at any rate. So, so he comes back to, to Epstein and says,
hey, you know, I, I think, I'm kind of screwed here. She really, really is pregnant.
And then so they go into a big debate about what can he do in that situation?
How do you convince her to get an abortion? How do you,
Yeah. I mean, it's, it's sort of both tragic and comical to to imagine these guys
who have no sensitivity to this whatsoever. No, I had no idea, actually, of how you think about something.
Something something like this. And but at any rate, it actually
it actually results again here in some kind of old fashion notion of what you have to do of Trump, of Trump
getting married to Marla maples, and she has the child and, and then subsequently, of course, they get a divorce.
Right? So the child is Tiffany and of course, he got divorced from Ivana,
got married to Marla, got divorced from Marla. Married. And then and then we come in to the,
to the to the Melania period. And, and
so Epstein and Trump, what they are doing, you know, the fact that that suddenly he's become,
you know, married to Marla maples is not an impediment to to the life they otherwise lead.
I mean, it is a life of, in constant pursuit of women.
And Epstein himself, at this, at this point is more and more involved
with with, less Wexner and Victoria's Secret and all of the all and the
the whole new world of models that that opens up, up to him and they become both of them involved in modeling agencies,
financing modeling agencies. Love,
you know, essentially establishing this, this conduit to unlimited number of, of,
women, girls because they are they are models of
uncertain age. So, Michael, we've covered a lot of ground here from them
arriving in Brooklyn with two Afghan dogs in a stretch limo to Donald Trump owning
a modeling agency, Jeffrey Epstein having an investment in a modeling agency. Trump owning Miss Universe, them having models audition for just the two of them.
I, and now we hit the Melania years. I wonder if this is a good time to to end this episode and then pick up
next time on part two of the relationship between Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump.
It's a good place to end, because this is this is, Melania actually begins the next phase of Donald Trump's life.
Which of phase is still depending upon how you look at it in.
Does he work night goggles, night vision goggles? Cassata likes a green.
I can't stop the my Instagram feed is full of people
miming her reading that book, and it is remarkable that she still struggles so with the English language.
When she's been here 30 years. I'm not saying I can speak Slovenian, and I know that she can speak
five other languages, but English. One, we have never heard them.
Well, of course we've never heard them, but we have heard her English. And for someone who's been here for 30 years, it's it's complicated.
But obviously she spoke Slovenian to her parents when they were here, her father still here and Slovenian to Baron, to Michael.
I hope you're having a very happy holiday season. I imagine you running around with little lanterns up
and down the Hamptons, high streets, singing in parades. You know, that's me, Joanna. You got me.
I've got you. In fact, I know you're probably curled up in your study reading a pile of books, and I hate going back through all your notes on Jeffy and Donnie.
But really, Jeffy? Jeffy puts a whole new a whole new,
face on on their relationship now. I mean, these are 2 to 2 guys joking around through the 80s and 90s.
Two bad guys hiding in plain. Life is not a serious proposition for either of them,
or it certainly doesn't seem because it's it's, I suppose, not serious. It's it's a sort of both the guys on the grift
and both guys looking for to, for, for women who then they're trying to get rid of.
And then both guys bullying and threatening other men.
Great guys. The best guys, greatest guys.
All right, Michael, go back to your Christmas pudding or whatever else you're eating. And let's recommence this conversation in a couple of days time.
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Epstein Survivor Reveals SHOCKING Details About Human Trafficking Experience
Chris Hansen
Premiered Jan 14, 2026 Have a Seat with Chris Hansen | Podcast

On this episode of Have a Seat with Chris Hansen, Chris is joined by Jeffery Epstein victim and survivor Juliette Bryant. Bryant recounts, in disturbing detail, meeting Epstein and other high profile figures, what happened when he and his staff took her from South Africa to the U.S., and her time on both Epstein’s private Caribbean island and ranch in New Mexico. Bryant also shares rarely seen photos and reveals how life is for her today.



Transcript

Every week it seems there are more disturbing revelations about the Jeffrey Epstein case. victims, collaborators,
all kinds of evidence, pictures, and documents that all get into graphic
detail about what Jeffrey Epstein was doing. Just recently, in the last few days of this recording, an article came
out in the New York Times Sunday magazine talking about the very early stages of Jeffrey Epstein's cons and the
way he was able to amass a fortune, which enabled him to carry out this human trafficking scheme. And we're
hearing more from the victims, the survivors, including Juliet Bryant, who
met Epstein in South Africa when she was just 20 years old. And she's got a harrowing story to tell, not only about
the things she saw him do, but the experiences, including things that were
never reported before, medical crimes, things that will shock you. And we're
lucky to have Juliet Bryant take a seat with me now all the way from South Africa. Juliet, thank you so much for
having a seat with me. How are you? Hi Chris. Thank you so much for having me on. Um I'm doing well considering the
circum circumstances. Yes, easy everything that I've been through as well as many of the other victims.
And that's why I'm here speaking out for victims both alive and dead. You know, Juliet, and we're going to get into all
of this here, but it begs the question, in some ways, it would be easier for you not to talk about this, to bury it, to
just to move on with your life. Why is it so important to you to continue to speak out about this, to share the
details of what you survived, what you endured because of Jeffrey Epstein?
Excellent question. Thank you, Chris. Um, it would be easier for me to just live my life and ignore it all, but I
cannot ignore it all. Not when people have been murdered. I can't sit there and be happy when people have been hurt
and killed. Also, those bastards hurt me so badly that I I'll never be okay again after what they did to me. I'm getting
better every day, but this is why I speak out against them for people that they've hurt. They hurt me, but they've
hurt others worse. And that's why I'm here speaking out. You know, Juliet, let's go back to the beginning. How did you first meet
Jeffrey Epstein? Under what circumstances? How did that all come together? It was in South Africa. Correct.
Yeah. Um well, what happened is I um I was started I was studying psychology at
the University of Cape Town and then um I started doing modeling on the side because you know my family didn't have a
lot of money and it was difficult for me getting to university. I didn't have petrol money. So I had to do like some
sort of job obviously like most people do. So I was doing modeling and cuz I got scouted for modeling. I actually got
scouted first of all when I was 14 by elite model management. My mother would not let me travel. So these bastards,
you know, they go for girls when they're even younger. But what happened is when I was um 20, I was doing modeling and
basically I went I went out with a friend of mine to a restaurant like bar
where they had like free drinks for models cuz you know young girls will always go with these like free drinks and free food or whatever you know when
you're poor. And then um what happened is when I was at that place, a girl approached me and she told me that she
worked um well she didn't say she worked with him. She said that her friend Jeffrey Epstein who's like the um King
of America was here with his best friend Bill Clinton and he worked with Leslie Wexner, the owner of Victoria's Secret,
and they could really help with my modeling career. She also said that Kevin Spacy and Chris Tucker were here with him. So, of course, it sounded like
um you know, I I almost didn't believe it because cuz I coming from Africa, you know, I just turned 20 and I never met
any celebrities in my life. So, I was like but I was like obviously very interested to meet them because it
sounded like my dreams were all coming true. What was it like, Juliet, when you first met Ebstein himself? What were the
circumstances? What was the environment? What was the vibe? Well, they were all sitting around a
table having dinner and there were like some South African government officials sitting with them. and they all stood up
during dinner and and stood up to shake my hand. So, I mean, for me, I was like
more interested in seeing like Bill Clinton and Kevin Spacy. I didn't know who this man Jeffrey Epstein was. It just sounded like he worked with them
and he did helped with modeling. So, I um but you know, I I was I was more like
Starruck meeting Clinton and Spacy. It was Kevin Spacy, Chris Tucker, Bill Clinton, Jeffrey Epstein, and that's a
starstudded table for somebody to walk into. You must have been overwhelmed by
this. I was so overwhelmed. Um, I was I was completely starruck cuz like I said, I
you know, I've never seen a celebrity in my life. And it just seemed like so legitimate, you know, that these people
were all together and the girl told me that they were scouting models and it
just seemed like the most legitimate opportunity of my life. And I I just I still wonder how I was dumb enough to
get on the airplane and go off there. But the thing is, I've realized, you know, these guys are conmen.
They're the conmen of all. they be able to um catch someone who's 40, someone who's 70. So, you know, a 20-year-old's
an easy fish to catch, right? Exactly. And and while you were of the age of consent, the grooming process
that you were exposed to is the very same grooming process that they used on
on thousands of women, some of whom were underageed. What was your first dealing with Jeffrey
Epste? You you have this dinner, you see all these politicians and and uh
comedians and stars and and you you get brought into this. What was your first
dealing specifically with Epstein himself? Well, you see, when I was taken there, I didn't even sit with him at the table.
Like, they just stood up and shook my hand and then we stayed there for like 5 10 minutes and then we left. So then
what happened is the girl who approached me and scouted me for him or or recruited me, this girl phoned me after
that and she said that oh Epstein really liked me and wanted to see my modding portfolio. He thought I would be great
for Victoria's Secret. So the next day I was invited to a modding casting at the hotel where they were staying in the
Cape Grace Hotel. So um but but what Nea said is that they're actually doing a speech at the Western Cape Peninsula
University and would I like to come and watch the speech first before the casting. So of course I thought I said
of course I you know I wanted to go. So I went to the hotel. I probably arrived there at like 9 or 10:00 a.m. in the
morning and they had these like mini buses outside and and the one bus um
Epstein and Clinton and Kevin Spacy, they all got in and then I was told to get in the bus behind and then the whole
highway was closed off in Cape Town. I've never seen anything like it. Like every every ramp where you came to,
there would be like police waiting like on on bikes and stuff like everything was like so shut down. I've never seen
anything like that in my life. And then he gave his speech at the um lower
income university. And while he was doing it, Kevin Space, he had a handheld device and he went like this and filmed
everyone in the hall cuz he was sitting in front of me. You see, I was sitting behind him and it wasn't like the kind
of um place you'd imagine the ex-president of America to do a speech.
It was a very basic lower income university, but they were filming all the all the students in the hall.
And so after you listened to this speech, did you have another meeting with Epstein? Was it this woman who was a
go-between or how did that all come together? Well, well, well, what happened after this is that we went back to the K Grace
where they were staying in the mini buses and then I went to my car. I had a city golf, you know, like a very basic
um small car. I went to get my modeling portfolio out of my car so I could go in for the um casting. So then I went back
into the hotel and they had all gone in like I was on my own. I went to get my you know after we come back from the
speech and then I walked up and then um what happened is there were three girls
sitting along a long table. They were all posing as modeling agents. They pretended that they worked for Karen
Modeling Agency and they went through my modeling book and um then they said and
while while they were doing the casting, Bill Clinton walked through like say I'm sitting here. walked through behind me
and he's like, "Hi everyone." And then he went into an adjoining suite. So it looked like they were sharing the
executive suite, the president suite of the hotel. What happened then is after these girls looked at my modeling book,
they said, "Right, you can go through and see Epstein now." So I went through and I sat opposite Epstein and he looked
through my modeling book and he said, "Right, I think you'd be perfect for Victoria's Secret." And then you know
what happened is is after I left there his office started phoning and arranging
me my visa and to get me there they had me there within 3 weeks basically. And was it your impression that that
Jeffrey Epstein was actually representing Victoria's Secret in terms of somebody who was finding models and
recruiting models? Yes. He made it very clear that he worked with Leslie Wexner and that he
was looking for models for Victoria's Secret for Leslie Wexner. When you finished that meeting, Juliet, was it
your impression that, hey, I've got a real shot here to be a model for Victoria's Secret? This is the big
breakthrough that I've been trying to to get as a young model.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's horrible. Yeah. I I really believed it all. I was I was
stupid. But but but then again, maybe I wasn't stupid. Like a lot of people say, they would have been conned by people
like that. That's well you would you certainly are far from the only one who's fallen for this.
I mean obviously they you see somebody who's with the president a former president of the United States who's
with you know highlevel celebrities and and why would you not believe it if a
guy says that he's representing you know uh Leslie Wexner of of limited brands
and the owner of Victoria's Secret. I mean it would seem to me that
you'd be all in your your rights to say this is a legitimate deal. and he was with Bill Clinton. You know,
it just seems so legitimate. It seemed like the most legitimate opportunity of my whole life.
Well, because they tried to deploy me. And what year would have this been, Juliet? Take your time.
Was in 2002. 2002. I met them September 26, 2002.
When you came to the United States, where did you go? Did you go to New York? Well, yeah. What happened is um there
was a man waiting for my me with a name on on a board. He was like standing there with my name on a board and it
seemed like so legitimate you know this name on the you know it just well I mean I just thought like oh my god I'm going
to be like a celebrity. It was just like, "What the hell is going on?" You know? I was so excited. And then then
the driver was driving me and I kept looking at all the billboards in New York. And I was like thinking, "Oh my gosh, I'm going to like be able to solve
all my family's problems." And and anyway, yeah. Then they dropped me off at 301 E66 Street, the modeling
apartment, and I was in there for about 5 minutes, and then the phone rang, and it was Sarah Kellen, and she said, "Pack
your things. We're going to the Caribbean." I obviously assumed it was for a modeling shoot or something. You know, I she said pack a small bag. So, I
had to leave my big bag there and then bring a few small things to go to this island and um you know I didn't I didn't
have my phone with me. I didn't have any money because I asked them before like I told them I don't have any money and
they said no don't worry we will deduct the money from your modeling jobs. You know they said I don't need money. So I
was basically just completely trapped and stuck. And then what happened is the driver came back and he drove me to
Terborough airport and then Epstein was sitting on the front of the plane and he like patted the chair like this next to
him and then I went and sat there and then as soon as the airplane took off he started for touching me in between my
legs forcibly and then I realized these people are going to try to kill me. I immediately knew that if I didn't do
what they want they're going to kill me. I knew it. I felt it. What made you think that they would kill you, Juliet,
if you didn't do what they wanted, just the power? It was just I felt it strongly. Um, it
was just that I'd gone there for this modeling opportunity and suddenly I was being whisked away by these very rich,
dangerous, powerful people. I mean, obviously at the time I didn't know how dangerous they were, but I just got a
very strong feeling. I realized I'd been lied to basically Chris because the thing is I thought I was going to New
York to stay in a modeling apartment and I was being sent for castings. And then suddenly when I got taken off on the
airplane, he was touching me between my legs. I suddenly realized, "Oh my god, my family never going to see me again."
I felt so terrible. I don't even want to talk about it. Sorry. Well, you totally understand, Juliet.
They left my name. Sorry. I'm sorry. They left my name on that flight. So if
I gone missing, no one would have known what had happened to me. Right. Juliet wanted.
Juliet, this was Epstein's private plane, was it? Yeah. Okay. And you flew down to his island?
Yeah. In the American Virgin Islands. Yeah. Then I knew I had to do whatever they
wanted. Otherwise, they would have killed me. It was pretty obvious. Especially since my name was left off
that flight log. So, they never even put you on that flight log?
No, my name was on the other flight logs. That one, they left my name off. So, if I gone missing, no one would have
known what had happened to me. And did this sexual assault continue throughout the flight?
I'm sorry. Sorry, but I'm going to get so stress. I'm so sorry. Go ahead.
You can't get arrested for smoking, right? No, no, no, no, no, no. You're fine. Did this sexual assault by Epstein continue
for the rest of the flight? And was there anybody else on the plane? The girls who posed as modding agents
and when he saw touched me, they just laughed at me. They just laughed. So they thought this was a big joke that
this was just a playtime for Epstein
and they thought it was very funny.
I'm so sorry to cry like this. It's all right. We understand.
And the flight presumably was 3 to 4 hours and you get down there after being
assaulted, touched by Epstein. What happens when you actually get to the island, Juliet?
Well, they showed me the remos. Um, we are I mean, first of all, you first of all,
you had to be freaked out by the time you got there that you know, you thought you were getting involved in this legitimate modeling opportunity.
Suddenly, you're wished away to go to the island. I'm sure you thought it was for a shoot at that time and then you
get, you know, treated this way, assaulted by Epstein. And now you're on this island with no communication, no
cell phone. Did you even have a passport at this point?
They had my passport. They had all all my things like that. They said they had to have it for the
flight. But the thing is, when we flew anywhere, no one ever checked anything on the plane. They never checked any
passports. They never checked anything. None of the cargo. Nothing was checked. It we never went through any possible
control on those planes. Basically, you'd land and a two cars would arrive and everything would be put on and you'd
leave. Nothing was ever checked. What happened when you got to the compound?
Well, first of all, we landed in, you know, I don't know if it's St. Thomas or St. Barts, wherever they land, St.
Martins, and then we took a helicopter from there. You know, I was just like I firstly I hadn't slept on this flight
from South Africa, you know, the 20-hour flight from South Africa. I was so excited thinking all my dreams are coming true. So I was absolutely
exhausted. I'd also never even left South Africa. I'd never ever traveled without my my mom. You know, I'd never
been anywhere out of the country. So I was just completely freaked out.
And when we arrived there, they basically um showed me the room I was going to be staying in the chalet. And
then they kept that's when they started calling me to Epstein's room. After that, you know what happened is then the
next day like another girl was boarded. And then the girl started giving him a [ __ ] in front of me in a m during he
was watching a movie and I got so scared and I ran away. Basically it was just very very frightening and horrible. You
know it was just it was a very very frightening place to be trapped as a young girl. And you were sexually assaulted by
Epstein. Yeah. Many times. You know I kept getting called to his room.
There's a lot of weird stuff with all of that too, you know.
Well, I'm sorry you had to endure that. I mean,
it's just beyond belief that they could trick somebody at this level and do it so many times. How long,
Juliet, were you on the island during that particular visit? Well, um, the first time I was taken
there, we were there for about like four or five days. Then we went to Palm Beach
cuz the thing is they never used to tell anyone before they were like leaving, you know? They never used to like tell
us the night before they were going somewhere else. They they like basically like half an hour before they'd be like,
"Pack your things where we're going." And then we wouldn't know where we were going cuz they obviously didn't want anyone knowing where they were going.
And then um yeah, we went to Palm Beach. And then after that um in Palm Beach, I
was taken to his office and he told me he worked with the CIA. He told me that he had my family's name on a list and he
told me that a girl accused him of rape and he planted drugs in her apartment and sent her to prison. After that I was
sent to New York and they made my hair blonde and my teeth white by Frederick
Fakai the hair salon man and then I was sent back to South Africa and then they
brought me back again cuz by that point I was so broken. People ask why did I go back? I didn't want to disobey this man.
It was quite clear that he was going to try and kill anyone who disobeyed him.
Juliet, there came a point during all this where you were at his ranch in New
Mexico, and this to me is one of the more harrowing
untold stories of the exploitation and abuse by Jeffrey Epstein. explain to me
what happened down there in terms of these experiments or medical
crimes that he had committed against you.
Well, you know, it's so hard to actually explain all of it and and and but you
know, I I I I I woke up in a laboratory there with like six people in hazmat
suits and a female doctor working on me and and this is at this is at just so people
know, this is at Epstein's Ranch in New Mexico. Yeah. Epstein's Ranch in New Mexico.
And why were you brought there? Why? Why did they tell you you were What did they tell you in terms of why you were going
there? Nothing. I was never told anything.
Just you're going to we're going to the the ranch in New Mexico and you're coming along
there. And yeah, I mean, I can't really explain it all very clearly because I don't really
know more of what they were doing, but I do know what happened to me. Why did you think you were going to New
Mexico? What did you think was going to happen there when you flew there from South Africa?
I actually don't even know. I mean, the thing is had such a hold on me and
so many other people. It's almost like he was running a bit of a cult, you know, and he would find people and like sort of try to control them. And the
thing is like no one disobeyed Epstein. Like disobeying them would have been a very bad idea, you know. Look at look at
the Maxwells, you know, and all those families. are very very dangerous. You know, being around Epstein was being it
was like a mouse being around a snake, like a mouse with a puffer or a cobra.
That's how I felt. And did you think at the time when you were in New Mexico that there was still a chance that you
could score a modeling job out of this?
I don't even know by that point. Like I was such a mess by that point to be honest, you know. Um
I suppose I don't know what I thought by that point. I I think the thing is that
he' taken such great advantage of me and it was just the whole thing had like messed me up so badly. You know, when I
came back from there, I had terrible panic attacks. I was hospitalized like 10 times. I was put on tranquilizers. I
was a real mess. It's like that's a lot of people judge and say like, "Oh, why did you go back?" The thing is when
you're kidnapped by someone like that, you don't come back feeling okay. These people are very powerful. They're very,
very clever. They know what they're doing. They know how to [ __ ] around with the young person. You know, I was 20 years old. If they took me now, I'd be a
little more able to deal with it. But not really. That's why they wouldn't take me now. They take someone who's 20.
Tell me what happened to you in New Mexico. This medical crime that was committed against you.
Well, I just I woke I don't even know what they did. I woke up in a lab. There were people working on me. Um, you know,
it wasn't like a usual sort of hospital area. It was just there's something very very
weird that happened and I I don't know what it is. There's a lot of weird stuff that they try to do. I mean, if I knew
more, I'd be dead, right? So, I guess I'm figuring it out with you. I don't really know what they did because
So, you woke up. You woke up in what was essentially some sort of a makeshift operating room at Epstein's Ranch in New
Mexico. you saw them committing some sort of medical crime, some sort of
procedure upon you and did you ever feel any sort of physical pain or trauma or
were you ever able to confirm exactly what what they what they did? I know you've gotten trauma from the whole
experience, but was it please I thought I was going to [ __ ] die every day. Yeah,
they did sound serious to me and I know they did because I've like abused myself many times in my life, but I've never
felt as bad as I did when I came back from that place. What do you think they did? Were you
ever able to confirm it or or figure out exactly what they did to you down there?
I can't confirm it exactly, but as we all know, there's a big cover up going on here. And I think these criminals are
capable of a lot more than any of us can comprehend. So, I mean, I wish I knew the truth, but if I did no more, I'd
probably be dead. And like I said before, like they probably want me dead already. I can't go out. I can't even go
to the beach. I've been followed. I've had my tires slashed. I know I'm not crazy. I've been going out in Cape Town
my whole life. As a young girl, I used to take the train. I used to take taxis. I had no problem going out as a young
girl in Cape Town. But nowadays, I can't go out because my tires get slashed.
How were you finally able to get out of the Epstein grasp? How did you finally
escape? What was the final thing that made you say, "I'm done. I I'm going to escape this. I'm out of here."
That's actually that's actually a very good question because do you know what started to happen? He people started to
go after him. There was a Vanity Fair article where Maria Farmer and Annie Farmer were, you know, after him and
then I think the thing is he couldn't actually be um bringing girls from overseas anymore. got too dangerous for
him cuz the time when he let me go was the time when he was about to get caught. Appar was never really put in
prison. It's all a lie. But um he had to be bit more cautious with his deeds.
So you think people started to catch on with Epstein. He was facing allegations
in the Miami Herald for instance. He was he was facing he was facing criminal charges uh albeit you know a sweetheart
deal in that plea bargain as we know. But you you think he backed off of trying to bring you in anymore because
it was an international situation and he was under a a bit of a microscope at the time. It's also not just that. He also said
very clearly that women out over the age of 22 are no longer attractive. He just said that girls were no longer useful
after 22. So the thing is he did try to get me to stay there. He offered me $4,000 a month to stay there and work
with him. $2,000 for any girl I found for him. But I didn't go for any of that because, you know, I just I just didn't
want to be there. I wanted to be at home with my mom and my animals and my family.
Are you in touch with some of the other survivors today? Do you keep in touch? I speak to Annie Farmer a lot. She's an
amazing woman. Annie and Maria. Maria's also been through a lot. Um, we speak I
speak to them. Um, there not many other survivors I'm in touch with. I I yesterday I actually got in touch with
Haley. Um, Robson, I saw you did an interview with Haiti, right? Sure. Absolutely. And and my heart goes out to
my heart goes all my heart goes out to all of you because I mean it's it's just
shocking that he was able to get away with this for so long. Did you did you ever along the way, Juliet, actually
meet Les Wexner? No. No, I didn't.
Does it shock you that a guy like Epstein, you know, a college dropout, was able to
con all these people along the way to a massive fortune that allowed him to
conduct this sort of human trafficking on such a large scale? I mean, I mean, it's it's it's amazing to me and to a
lot of other people that he was able to pull this off. And it raises questions
about what what he had on Les Wexner. Now Wexner has denied any wrongdoing. He's not been charged with any crimes.
But along the way, the recent reporting on this indicates that that in spite of Wexner's advisor saying, "Stay away from
Epstein. He's a bad guy." He stayed loyal to him and actually, you know,
continued to invest money and give Epstein money that allowed him to be a major player in these very wealthy
circles. I mean, how does a guy get away with this like that? Yeah. No, there are a lot of stories
about all of that. Um, what I have realized, you know, XG never told me he was a math teacher. He told me he used
to be a cab driver and he said he had his own fleet of cabs and stuff and he he told me he used to give girls free
rides for [ __ ] So, I don't understand how a cab driver is suddenly a math teacher. And also if you look at
the articles about this thing of Epstein being a math teacher, there's a photo of him with the board and he's written his
name incorrectly. It's like Epston without the E. So what kind of a math
teacher writes the name incorrectly? Also, if he was a math teacher, surely some of his students would have come out
and spoken by now. Correct. Also like as far as being a pedophile, you would have expected some of the students to have
had cases against him. Where are all the students? I would like to hear from one person. who was in Jeffrey Epstein's
math class, you know, because these these people these students will be about like what 40 now or 50 or 60, you
know, they'll be alive. Where are these students so in his math class? That's what I want to know. How do you think Epstein got away with
this for so long? We got so many breaks along the way.
Was it power? Was it money? Was it blackmail? What do you What do you think based upon what you saw? I think he's
the front of a big business. There's a big business behind him. And I think there were other people protecting him.
Um I don't believe that he was really a math teacher like I was saying. Um you
know also the way he became like started working for Bay Sterns with you know Ace Greenberg all those names. It seems to
me like with the school of Dalton, if you ask me, it seems like one of those he got involved with the children and I
think one of them, one of the children did something bad and then he blackmailed the parents and I think
that's how he got along that if he had to ask me. I mean, I don't know. I'm just guessing here. One of his former
supervisors at Bear Stern said in a New York Times magazine article that came out just recently that he had the
opportunity to end Epstein's career and wishes he had at the time. They they
they learned that Epstein had falsified his college uh record. Yeah. And he said it was his greatest
some his greatest regret. Right. Yeah. That he didn't stop it when he could have. And this was in the in the
early mid 80s. Yeah. And and there are more than one, you know, there is more
than one person who is saying this now that they they caught him. They they figured out he was a con man back then.
Obviously, nobody knew back then that he was capable of the the mass evil human
trafficking that ultimately took place. But there were a lot of warning signs along the way here. And and the question
begs, how does a guy like that end up amassing a fortune of a half a billion dollars and in spite of getting caught
at least once? And I've gone through some of the files. Uh there was tons of evidence here. These women were were
were were trying to get their story out there, you and and the others, when when nobody would listen. And it's shocking
to me that that that this was able to to take place. And I guess it comes down to money, power, greed, and perhaps
blackmail. Yeah, I'd say definitely some blackmail along the way. You know, these evil
people work in very evil ways. And um a lot of us don't really understand it,
but you know, where, you know, where they, like you said, where there's power, there's greed, there's
corruption, and you know, people a lot of people after money. And I I think at
the end of the day, Epstein was working for them really, you know. Did you ever meet uh Galileain Maxwell?
Many times. And what was your relationship like with her when all this was going on? I was just very nervous of her because
um I was actually told that she was Epstein's girlfriend. So it was like it just made the whole situation even worse
where I'm like getting taken to this man's room and other girls are being taken there and then he has suddenly the girlfriend. It was just like it was just
too much for me to handle. But um it was quite clear that she was a big part of the operation. They were working
together. You know, if anyone was in charge, I would have said it was her, not him. In fact, because she was far
more educated. She was, you know, more eloquent, like very very a very well educated woman. Epstein was a more sort
of simple um guy. Recently, Galileain Maxwell
was moved to a lower security camp like federal prison where by all accounts she
has privileges not generally uh rewarded to somebody who's been
convicted of human trafficking. How does that sit with you when you see uh that
kind of preferential treatment being given to somebody who you know who has
been convicted of this level of human trafficking? Well, I think if she was going to be
given that level of comfort, she should name some names, right? You know, it's all about naming names
and keeping quiet. But then again, I can understand why she hasn't been able to name names because guess what? The media
won't name names. This is why I've got my account on X and I can't tell you how many times I've been blocked. You know,
that's why a lot of the other victims can't make names. They can't speak because they don't have any following on X. They don't, you know, a lot of
people, you know, I I used to have an e-commerce business, so I have a bit of knowledge of algorithms and things. A
lot of these girls don't understand how to actually get their stories out there, and they're also very frightened. They live in America. You know, if I was in
America, I'd be a lot more scared. But basically like a lot of people can't really speak out like even with Maxwell,
how can she speak out if the news is going to block it all? You know, how is she going to speak out if the news won't
put it there? Even though her family used to own the media, right? So I'm sure she could make a plan. But anyway,
if the news won't put put it there, then how do you get it there? And that's why I also speak out because, you know,
coming from a place like Africa, what about all the other people who get murdered and abused and raped and they
can't even speak out? If an absentee victim can't speak out on the news, then how can anyone speak out on the [ __ ]
news? Sorry to swear. You know, there was a a
massive financial settlement uh from the Epstein estate to many of the victims.
Does that make any of this better? Does that provide any sense of justice
in your mind? I'm very grateful that I was given a
settlement um because it's also given me afforded me the time to step off the hamster wheel of life and do more
research. I'm very grateful for that. But um you know, for me it's not about
money. For me, it's stop seeing these perpetrators put in jail, you know, stop
just just to get them to stop hurting people, you know, cuz I had a lawsuit against
the Epstein estate, but I was very much told that I couldn't go ahead with my lawsuit. There was a whole lot of names on this document, but um I was advised
not to go ahead with the lawsuit. And I told them, I said, "I don't care about the money. I want these people caught."
But I was told that I would have been thrown out due to the statute of limitations. Unfortunately, I don't know if that's really true and I should have
gone ahead with it. But you were a part of this settlement and as you mentioned that that helpful
to you. Uh but does it does it represent justice given everything that you were put
through by this man? No. Um it it helped it's helped me a lot
and I'm sure many other victims. But the thing is also when girls are are feeling in such a mess when they've been through
so much stress how are they supposed to even handle money you know it's not very easy is it and I think also that the
public have become victims of this now also so the money paid to the victims
doesn't give me any um happiness it gives me happiness that the victims are
sorted and looked after in a way but what about the public about the rest of the people who've been lied to they need
like we've all be we've all become victims of this and they've lied and lied and it's enough. You know, money
can help a little, but it's not about money. It's about justice. It's about children not being hurt. That's what
it's about. What did Jeffrey Epstein and his cronies take away from you, Juliet?
You know, they took my innocence, but they can never take my soul. They'll never take anything from me.
They tried to to mess up my life. They tried to hurt me like they hurt many other people.
But what's really healed me is also the amazing people in the world who really care. I've had so many kind people
helping and caring and that's really brought me back to myself and just thank you to everyone for that.
And why is it so important for you to continue to speak out about this
and on one hand it seems like we know a lot about Jeffrey Epste or as much as
there is to know but but every week it seems there are more disturbing revelations. Do you ever think we'll get
to the bottom of this? I think it's happening slowly but
surely. Um, like I've said before, I think if the if the full truth came out, it would break
a lot of people's brains cuz, you know, it's a lot more convoluted and frightening than what most people realize. This is not a simple sex
trafficking. And sex trafficking is a disgusting crime, but it goes a lot deeper than that. These criminals have
many branches to their organizations. And I just think that the more of us who
speak out, the more that we create our own media. Like, you know, that's why I've been grateful having eggs to speak
out. I think the more people who speak out and share information, the better because apparently the media do not want
to interview victims of horrendous crimes. And I think the media should do their job properly and stop interviewing
the victims. you've uh kept a diary about all this
and it is the basis for a book that is uh due out soon called Blue Butterfly.
Why was keeping a diary so important and what do you hope this book achieves?
Um the thing is I didn't actually keep I have my diary from that year but I
wasn't writing things down daily but I did write a few things down like when I met Epstein. I'm not like one of those
people who writes long journals in a diary, but the author has chosen to write it like that because of my diary
with the blue butterfly on the front. I just hope that more and more truth comes out, you know, soon. And yeah, the book
will be coming out soon. But again, there's a lot more information that needs to be shared other than just the
book. You know, there's a lot more information. And um
yeah, I just I just hope that everyone does their own research. I think that's the best advice I can give anyone here
is do your own research. You know, when you read something online, don't take it for fact. Go and fact check it and not
just once, fact check it three times, five times. Do proper research. And you
know, my friend who's written the book, she's done some proper research and her book is very much about the scientific
side of things. you know, there's also the spiritual side of things, but um I just think the more and more people who
do research and also just start realizing that we've been lied to through the media, you know, I think
that's the way to to make the world a better place is to realize that we've been very much lied to.
Do you think there's a way that all these very wealthy, powerful, smart people were actually tricked by a
college dropout, Jeffrey? No, absolutely not. These guys are all
criminals. Like when you get one criminal, like you like Sopranos. Was
Tony Soprano the only criminal? No, no, no. It's all of them. It's the band. They come together. They're greedy. They
want the money. You can't just blame one person. There's always a group and you
need to look for the group. And that's what we need to look for here as Epstein's boss. You know, there's been talk about him
being an intelligence agent for MSAD and things like that. Do you believe any of that? Well, Xen told me he worked with
the CIA so very much I believe it because you know CIA and MOSAD are very um they're connected like Robert Maxwell
and Nlie Wexner apparently both worked for the Mossad CIA in the 80s. So yeah,
I mean there's a lot going on with you know that we're not made aware of with these bastards and their criminal organizations like bringing in drugs,
human trafficking, you know there's a lot of money and drugs and human organs and babies by the way guys. you know,
follow the money. And yeah, JP Morgan, there was $1 billion worth of human trafficking transactions between there
and Epstein Morgan's accounts. I mean, between JP Morgan and Epstein's accounts, $1 billion worth of human
trafficking transactions. I think that should be highlighted and I think people need to look into it because human
trafficking transactions, $1 billion, Epstein, JP Morgan.
Do you ever think we'll get to the bottom of this? Do you ever think we'll know, Juliet, the exact truth, the exact
source of Epstein's power? I think it's starting to come out more
and more, but I think the problem is the more and more it comes out, the more and more they try to hurt humanity like with
co and things like that. So the problem is they don't want this being exposed. So
I think it's it it's trickling out. It's trickling and and you know when something starts trickling eventually it
plummets and falls. It will come out. It will. And do you think Galain Maxwell is the
one who knows all? Who could solve a lot of these mysteries, answer a lot of these questions? It would seem she is.
He'll know a lot for sure. She will definitely know a lot. But again, like I was saying, if the media won't interview
me or other victims, are they going to necessarily interview Maxwell of what she has to say? You know, apparently um
Jeffrey Epstein was about to name names. That's why he got killed. You know, are they going to interview people who are
going to name names? No, they're not going to. Do you believe Jeffrey
She might want to name them to get out of prison? You know, if I were, I would name them and get out. Do you think Jeffrey Epstein actually
committed suicide? I think No, no, no. Definitely not
suicide. Um it's either it's either murder or he's alive somewhere. And I've
been recently I was feeling like he's still alive, but now I'm not sure anymore.
I'm not sure. The thing is it definitely wasn't suicide. Absolutely not. That man would never kill himself. He was he was
a megalomaniac. Megleomaniacs don't commit suicide. That's an interesting point. I mean,
everything everything I've seen obviously indicates that it was a suicide. But, you know, again, I'm not the expert on this and there are plenty
of skeptics on the suicide story. I guess this is one of those things that creates this enduring mystery. Juliet,
there's so much to this case and we've taken a pretty good crack at it here, but is there anything else for this
conversation at least that you want people to know about what happened to you and about the Jeffrey Epstein
conspiracy? Thanks so much, Chris. Well, um I think
you you've done an amazing job of covering pretty much everything. And if if you ever want to do a followup, I'm
always um willing to come on. If any, you know, if any of the guests have questions, please send them to Chris.
But um I think most importantly, the thing is that more victims need to speak out here because a lot of the victims
are frightened to speak out. You know, a lot of them are not able to. A lot of people have had to sign agreements giving away their freedom of speech.
But there's certain ways you can speak out, you know, and I just think the more
people who speak out, the better because if we if we don't speak out, then who
will? And and it's not just about the victims, it's about the public as well. It's about everyone right now because
this is it's really hurt people's minds. It's hurt people's heads. It's it's been such a a horrible lie everything that's
been going on. And I think the more people who speak out, the better. And the more pieces of the puzzle that come
together, the better. And thank you, Chris, for helping to put the pieces of the puzzle. Well, thank you, Juliet Bryant, for having a seat with me. I appreciate it.
You take care of yourself over there in South Africa, and we will stay in touch. I promise. Okay,
perfect. Thank you so much, Chris. Juliet Bryant and the rest of the survivors of the
Epstein conspiracy will always have a home here to take a seat with me. Thank you for joining me. Again, it's a lot to
take in. It's a lot to weigh and and you know, gosh, this story isn't going away anytime soon. As much as we know now,
there's more to know. I'll see you next week here on Have a Seat with Chris
Hansen. You can also find me every Monday with our podcast, Predators I've
Caught, and my streaming crime network, True Blue, Takedown with Chris Hansen
episodes. Our predator investigations drop every single Thursday. You can find
all that and subscribe at watchtrubblue.com. Until then, I'll be watching and
listening.

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"They're Hiding This In Plain Sight..." | Whitney Webb
Only The SAVVY
Jan 17, 2026



Transcript

years ago when I was um in hiding, I was
listening to this show and it said, "Did
you know that all human trafficking
begins and ends in Columbus, Ohio? Isn't
that interesting?" And I'm like, "What?
So human trafficking from the United
States, even if they get the kid from
Phoenix, before they take him to Mexico,
they go to Columbus. What are the
chances?" I mean, wow.
He owns Columbus and it's the hub now.
It's not the number one. LA is the
number one center for human trafficking
now, but at the time it was Columbus and
it's still Columbus is number three.
It's not the third biggest city and it's
also the place where they all go. They
all go to there before they leave the
country or go to wherever they're going.
They go to Columbus first.
For decades, traffickers have operated
in the shadows. But what if one of the
largest hubs for human trafficking was
hiding in plain sight? Columbus, Ohio, a
city effectively owned and controlled by
Leslie Wexner, became a central hub for
trafficking networks with routes passing
through the city before victims were
moved elsewhere. On Wexner's estate,
Maria Farmer experienced firsthand the
chilling combination of surveillance,
intimidation, and institutional
complicity that protected these
operations. This is the story of how
power and fear were weaponized to
silence victims and enable abuse.
The other thing about Wexner is I'm sure
you know this, but this is something I
noticed um when Jim and I drove through
going, you know, Ohio, soon as you cross
into Ohio from Kentucky or wherever, you
get uh the first building you see is the
Abigail Wexner Center for Women. I
thought I was going to die. I was like,
you got to be kidding me. And then they
just their buildings dot the whole
state. So no matter where you are, you
see Wexner this, Wexner that. But then
when you go to the bathroom, especially
as you get close to Columbus, there's
human trafficking signs everywhere,
Whitney. Everywhere. So when you go to
the bathroom in a Columbus on the door,
it says, "Do not speak to anyone. Do not
walk with anyone. Go back to your car."
I mean, there's like instructions on how
to not be trafficked. And I'm sorry,
that's not I don't believe in
coincidences at all. I don't believe in
them. And years ago when I was um in
hiding, I was listening to this show and
it said, "Did you know that all human
trafficking begins and ends in Columbus,
Ohio? Isn't that interesting?" And I'm
like, "What? So human trafficking from
the United States, even if they get the
kid from Phoenix, before they take him
to Mexico, they go to Columbus. What are
the chances?" I mean,
wow.
He owns Columbus and it's the hub. Now,
it's not the number one. LA is the
number one center for human trafficking
now, but at the time it was Columbus and
it's still Columbus is number three.
It's not the third biggest city and it's
also the place where they all go. They
all go to there before they leave the
country or go to wherever they're going.
They go to Columbus first. Why? Why do
they take everyone to Columbus first?
And I mean they they the fact that they
watched me like that that Abigail I had
to get her permission to go outside.
I'll never forget the one time she let
me go to my mailbox. That's when I got
my driver's license and I had to walk
like six miles because there was no way
to leave the estate unless you walked
the three miles to the gate and then you
walk down the main White Barn road to
these old junky mailboxes. There were
like six of them and I and I used their
mailbox and I got my mail the one time
and that was the only time I was allowed
to go down that road. You know, I I
remember I was like, "God, I get to jog
today." I was just so happy. But I
remember being terrified that my
brothers would leave and the Dobermans
would come out, so I came back very
quickly. I was just like, "Who lives
like that, Whitney? Who lives like
that?" You know, and who has like a
tunnel under their house and the floor
raises up?
Yes. Now I will tell you that according
to the maid Wexner according yeah
according to the maid Wexner was uh gay
for sure
and the marriage was like a setup but I
don't know that was just the maid
according to
from a couple people.
Okay. Okay. Well, Chef Andy said he's
def he and Jeffrey were definitely
getting it on and I believe him. So, and
I don't think it was because Jeffrey
wanted to I think Jeffrey just did his
bidding for Wexner in whatever way he
wanted. I think Jeffrey did whatever
Wexner wanted and he provided Wexner not
only with boys but with girls.
Maria Farmer's time on Wexner's estate
was a nightmare of constant surveillance
and control. Cameras were everywhere
tracking her every move and even her
trips outside required Abigail Wexner's
explicit permission. The estate was
guarded like a fortress with
sharpshooters, Dobermans, and even a
secret underground tunnel connecting the
guest house to the main house. When
Farmer tried to call 911, the local
sheriff's department, owned and
controlled by Wexner, refused to help,
leaving her trapped and terrified. This
wasn't just paranoia. It was a
deliberate system designed to intimidate
and silence, ensuring no one could
escape or expose what was happening
behind closed doors.
I heard from other people that at the
university he would have parties. So,
you know that floor that would raise up?
Mhm.
He would have parties and um that would
become like a dance floor thing and he'd
have all these boys from school
university come
just boys. He only wanted boys. So that
was kind of a known thing on the estate,
you know.
And yeah, I just I hated that Abigail
for never letting me go outside
very much. I hated her. And I let that
she says she's never spoken to me, heard
from me, heard of me, and it's all a
lie. And my driver's license proves
that's a lie. So that'd be pretty hard,
you know, to have lived it have lived
there and have gotten that license.
Miraculous.
Well, I mean, you know, honestly, at
this point, I don't think anyone's going
to Wexner. He's there's too much against
him at this point for anyone to take his
word for anything about any of this.
Yeah. Wait until you talk to Virginia.
Virginia has the real smoking guns on
him, too. But I can't I'm not allowed to
say anything, but I do know that she
does, and I will put her in touch with
you.
Yeah, that would be great. Um but really
quick uh in ter you sort of mentioned um
that you knew that um Wexner had some
sort of Israel tie and that Galain was
working under him. Can you elaborate on
that? Do you think he had ties to
Israeli intelligence?
Yeah.
Okay. And and why do you think that?
So I absolutely do. So Okay. So this is
why I think it. So um Jeffrey and Gilan,
they were at the estate, you know, they
came like three times to visit Waxner
while I was there. and they would go
meet with him, then they'd come back.
And Gilan said they were working on all
these Israeli charities um for students
and for um you know, Jewish people.
And I remember thinking, "Oh, that's
weird." And she was like, she was like,
"You don't understand our loyal to
Israel, Maria. You don't understand our
loyalty." She's like, "Unless you're a
dual citizen, you just don't get it."
She's like, "Your people could never
understand." She she would say, "My
people, your people, the chosen ones,
all that bullshit." And I'm just like,
"Let me tell you something. If I walk
out of here, not, you know, at all
racist, it's a freaking miracle."
Because I'm still, you know, I struggle
every day with it. I'm like, "Oh, I was
so abused." You know, it's just I guess
it could have happened from any group
because uh they're the ones that happen
to control the world. It's hard. It's
really hard like this specific group,
you know, of elites. It's really hard to
not just hate them, you know, and um so
I haven't gotten over hating that Gan.
I think they try and love by design too,
you know, in order to give themselves
protection.
Yeah.
I think it's very intentional, but yeah,
I
I can't blame you for feeling that way
considering what you had to go through.
So,
Right. Well, I don't really feel that
way. Like, let me tell you my
background. Every boyfriend I've ever
had was very Jewish. Like, I mean, 100%.
And never I mean they were these I had
the best relationships in New York. I
mean these are like the most patient
guys. I don't know why they put up with
me. I think back on it and I'm like
those are the nicest guy. So there were
four boyfriends I had and everybody who
got in touch with them said you know
what Maria your boyfriends loved you so
much and and say nothing but nice
things. So I have had very good
experiences but it was the Eileen
Guggenheim thing and the Giland all of
that really soured me on like the
religious on religion in general. if you
want to know the truth, like religion
being used against people and just all
of it was just really it soured me. And
I don't I don't totally trust people.
Even though I have friends that are
Jewish, like I still have trust issues
because and it's so unfair to them. I
know it's rationally. I know it's
unfair, but I was so scolded by the hot
water, you know? I just can't I just
can't I just can't stick my hand back
in. Like it's it's hard right now. But I
don't totally feel that way. Yeah,
I'm just being honest. I'm like a really
honest person, Whitney. And so most
people won't ever talk about that stuff.
And I'm not. And the other thing that
pisses me off is this whole anti-semitic
BS because they said they called Bernie
Sanders anti-semitic. You know what I
mean? When is it going to end? Like
that's the whole
You can't say that even though you just
mentioned that what Galain told me,
right? and Sheldon Adlesen, he's on
video saying, "All I care about is being
a good citizen of Israel and he's the
top political donor in the United
States." So, the fact that you're not
allowed to talk about it, I think is is
very
troubling. Right. So, but anyway, um I I
want to go back to um some of what told
you about at least like intelligence
stuff um and what you heard about like
Israel and Israel.
Let me tell you what she said about her
dad's
Right.
Yes. She said about her dad's funeral,
too. She told me, she said, she said he
was such an important person for Israel
that they gave him a state funeral. And
she went on and on and on about his
funeral ceremony. And she showed me
pictures of like what a big deal it was.
And she said, she said they murdered
him, that Israel murdered him. She said
the CUNP's murdered him. And she's
telling me about this. So like she's
saying Israel murdered their assets. The
truth about Columbus, Ohio, and Leslie
Wexner's estate is just one piece of a
much larger puzzle. A network of
trafficking, corruption, and cover-ups
hidden in plain sight. Maria Farmer's
story isn't just about her experience.
It's about a system that uses power,
wealth, and fear to protect criminals
and silence victims. But the more these
stories come to light, the harder it
becomes for those responsible to hide.

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Melania PANICS After Court DRAGS HER over EPSTEIN CLAIMS
Andrew Walker
Jan 23, 2026 UNITED STATES

Melania PANICS After Court DRAGS HER over EPSTEIN CLAIMS
#trump #politicalnews #uspolitics

In this video, we analyze a disturbing courtroom development after claims connected to Jeffrey Epstein were raised, placing unexpected legal pressure on Melania Trump. We break down what the court addressed, why these claims resurfaced during proceedings, and how the scrutiny could expand beyond previously known boundaries. Legal observers say this moment highlights the widening scope of inquiry and the growing sensitivity surrounding testimony and public statements tied to the case.



Transcript

First Lady Melania Trump is seeking a
billion dollars in damages and an
apology from Hunter Biden. It stems from
comments Hunter made alleging Jeffrey
Epstein was the person who introduced
the first lady and the president. A
letter dated August 6 written by an
attorney for Melania called the
accusations false, disparaging,
defamatory, and extremely salacious.
Melania Trump is in serious legal
trouble right now. And none of this is
accidental. None of it is partisan spin.
This situation exists entirely because
of choices she made, threats she issued,
and a journalist who refused to be
intimidated. She threatened the wrong
person. And now she's facing the exact
thing she was desperately trying to
avoid. Sworn testimony and court-ordered
discovery tied to Jeffrey Epstein. This
all exploded when author and journalist
Michael Wolf, someone who knows both
Melania and Donald Trump personally,
filed suit against her in New York State
Court. Wolf didn't back down. He didn't
apologize. He didn't retract anything.
Instead, he sued her first. And that
single move flipped the entire power
dynamic. Melania went from issuing
billiondoll defamation threats to
scrambling behind closed doors to avoid
being placed under oath. And she is
panicking, not quietly, not subtly,
publicly, and legally panicking because
Wolf isn't asking for a settlement. He
isn't asking for money. He is asking for
discovery. He is asking for depositions.
He is asking for sworn answers about
Melania Trump's background, her
associations, and her alleged
connections to Jeffrey Epstein that she
insists do not exist.
We got some breaking news here on Legal
AF, Michael Wolf, the intrepid reporter
and journalist. The person who spent
years interviewing Jeffrey Epstein, has
sued Melania Trump to beat her to the
punch and cut her off at the pass about
claims that she was defamed by certain
reporting of Michael Wolf. And he has
taken affirmative action to run into
court.
She has hidden from process servers. She
has attempted emergency procedural
maneuvers to move the case out of New
York and into Florida, specifically into
the courtroom of Judge Eileen Cannon, a
judge whose record strongly favors the
Trump family. None of this is subtle.
It's a legal escape attempt happening in
real time. The panic began the moment
Melania started threatening journalists.
Multiple reporters across multiple
outlets received cease and desist
letters from her lawyers warning that
any mention of Epstein connections,
photographs, or social overlap would
trigger catastrophic defamation
lawsuits. The number thrown around
repeatedly was $1 billion. The message
was clear. Stop reporting or be
destroyed. Her legal theory was extreme,
even suggesting a connection between her
and Epstein was framed as defamatory.
even referencing photographs showing her
with Epstein and Gizlane Maxwell was
labeled a reputational attack.
They're getting ready for day two here
at the queue in downtown Cleveland, but
still plenty of time to dissect all of
the sound bites from day one. And that
Melania Trump's speech that you just
played a clip from is getting all of the
attention this morning because of
accusations that it sounded strikingly
similar to the speech that Michelle
Obama gave back at the Democratic
National Convention in 2008. Let me play
for you the two chunks. First, Michelle
Obama in 2008, then Melania Trump in
2016. Publicly available information,
images that already exist, and
historical reporting were all suddenly
treated as malicious lies. Most
journalists would flinch at that threat.
Billiondoll lawsuits are meant to scare
people into silence. But Michael Wolf
didn't flinch. He called the bluff. Wolf
has written extensively about the Trump
family. He has sources. He has
firstirhand familiarity. And when
Melania's lawyer gave him a deadline to
apologize or face litigation, Wolf
responded by suing her instead. He filed
in New York State Court under the
state's anti-slap statute laws designed
specifically to stop powerful figures
from using legal threats to silence
journalists. His argument is simple and
devastating.
I'm Sydney Blumenthal. The Court of
History is now in session today.
Michael Wolf
has filed a lawsuit
against Melania Trump.
He is a journalist reporting on matters
of public interest. Melania Trump is a
public figure married to the sitting
president. Her social history,
background, and any connections to a
convicted sex trafficker are inherently
newsworthy. Threatening a billion-dollar
lawsuit is not about protecting
reputation. It is about chilling speech.
Wolf is asking the court for injunctive
relief to stop Melania from threatening
journalists. And he is asking for
discovery into what she actually knows
about Epstein. That means depositions.
That means documents. That means answers
under oath. And that is the nightmare
scenario for Melania Trump because
discovery means she can't control the
narrative anymore. Discovery means
lawyers get to ask questions she doesn't
want to answer. Discovery means sworn
testimony that can be compared against
evidence, photographs, travel records,
and witness accounts. Discovery means
every inconsistency becomes permanent.
Wolf wants to question her directly
about Epstein, about photographs showing
her with Epstein and Maxwell, about
parties at Mara Lago, about modeling
agencies that trafficked European women
into elite social circles, about how she
actually met Donald Trump, about the
gaps and contradictions in her public
story that have never been fully
explained. And those contradictions are
real. Melania has claimed she graduated
from a university in Slovenia. She did
not. That claim has been disproven. She
has claimed her modeling career followed
a standard professional path. But the
agency that brought her to the United
States also specialized in introducing
young European women to wealthy American
men. She has described meeting Donald
Trump casually at a party. But the
circumstances surrounding that meeting
raise questions she has never answered
under oath. Now, someone who knows her
personally is demanding those answers
under penalty of perjury. Melania's
first move was to try to pretend the
lawsuit didn't exist. Wolf attempted to
serve her through the same lawyer who
sent the threatening letters. He
contacted that lawyer and asked to
formally serve the complaint. The lawyer
refused. So, Wolf went to Trump Tower in
New York. He spoke with staff in the
lobby and asked a simple question. Does
Melania Trump live here? According to
Wolf, the staff confirmed that she does.
They just refuse to accept documents on
her behalf. That matters because Melania
is claiming she lives in Florida.
Florida residency is the foundation of
her jurisdictional strategy. If she
lives in Florida, she can move the case
into federal court and then push it into
a Florida district where Judge Cannon
presides. If she lives in New York, that
strategy collapses. Despite evidence
suggesting she resides in New York,
Melania has refused to accept service
because once she is served, the clock
starts. She has to respond. She has to
litigate. She has to face discovery. And
when hiding stopped working, she
pivoted. She never filed the billiondoll
defamation lawsuit she threatened. Not
once, not anywhere. Instead, she removed
Wolf's case to federal court, arguing
diversity jurisdiction. Different states
amount in controversy over $75,000.
Therefore, federal jurisdiction applies.
That's step one. Step two is even more
revealing. She wants the case
transferred to Florida. Not just any
court, specifically to Judge Eileen
Cannon's courtroom, a judge whose prior
rulings have repeatedly shielded the
Trump family from legal exposure. This
is forum shopping in its purest form,
but Wolf is not letting it happen. His
legal team filed opposition, arguing
Melania does not actually live in
Florida. They argue she lives full-time
in Trump Tower in New York, and they
want jurisdictional discovery to prove
it. They want documents, travel records,
credit card usage, mail records,
residency filings, and they want to
depose Melania under oath about where
she actually lives. And that creates a
trap. She cannot escape. If she provides
discovery, Wolf can prove she lives in
New York. If she refuses, the court can
draw an adverse inference and assume she
is lying. Either way, the jurisdictional
fight tilts against her. And once
jurisdictional discovery begins, Melania
is under oath. This is only the
beginning. And that is what makes this
situation so dangerous for Melania
Trump. Jurisdictional discovery sounds
narrow and technical, but it opens the
door to exactly what she has been trying
to prevent for years. Sworn questioning
with no script and no escape hatch. The
initial questions may technically be
about residency, but once a witness is
under oath, lawyers can explore
patterns, timelines, and credibility.
Answers get locked in. Contradictions
become permanent, and every word can
later be used to impeach testimony in
broader discovery. Wolf's lawyers will
ask questions that seem simple on the
surface, but carry massive implications.
How many days per year does she spend in
New York versus Florida? Where does she
receive mail? Where are her credit cards
registered? Where are her doctors? Where
does she spend holidays? Where is her
primary residence listed on legal
documents? These are not abstract
questions. They are factual ones with
documentary proof. And then there's
Baron. Melania has always portrayed
herself as fiercely devoted to her son.
Baron attended school in New York for
years. He did not attend school in
Florida. So where was Melania during
that time? The logic is unavoidable. A
mother who centers her life around her
child does not live hundreds of miles
away in a resort club while her teenage
son attends school in Manhattan. The
idea that she was living full-time at
Mara Lago while Baron was in New York
simply does not hold up under scrutiny.
And Mara Lago itself raises obvious
questions. It is not a private home in
any meaningful sense. It is a club, a
constant event space, weddings, gallas,
donors, political gatherings, tourists,
staff, strangers. Melania has never
shown any interest in that environment.
The image of her living there alone
full-time while Donald Trump is in
Washington strains credibility to the
breaking point. This is why
jurisdictional discovery terrifies her
because once she testifies under oath
about residency, the entire carefully
constructed public narrative begins to
unravel. And that's before Epstein even
enters the deposition room. Because make
no mistake, Epstein is the endgame. The
residency fight is just the door Wolf is
forcing open. Once the case is properly
seated in New York State Court, real
discovery begins. subpoenas, document
requests, depositions on substance, not
just procedure. Wolf wants to ask about
Epstein directly, about photographs that
already exist, about social overlap,
about parties, about Mara Lago, about
the modeling networks that intersected
with Epstein's world, about who
introduced whom, about who knew what and
when. And Melania knows this. That's why
she never followed through on her
defamation threats. Suing Wolf would
require her to prove his reporting is
false. That means evidence. That means
testimony. That means opening herself up
to discovery voluntarily. She cannot do
that because the reporting is not false.
The photographs exist. The associations
are documented. The questions are
legitimate. So instead of suing, she
threatened. She hoped journalists would
back down. She hoped fear would do the
work for her. But Wolf didn't back down.
He escalated. And now she's trapped in
the very process she tried to weaponize
against others. Every option she has is
bad. If she testifies, she risks
exposure. If she refuses, she looks like
she's hiding something. If she invokes
the Fifth Amendment, the public
inference is devastating. If she lies,
the consequences multiply exponentially.
There is no clean exit. And then there's
the legal firepower she's deployed. DLA
Piper, one of the most expensive law
firms in the world, is now representing
her. This is not casual representation.
This is millions of dollars in legal
resources. Either she is paying that
bill herself or the firm is representing
her because of her status as first lady.
Either way, it signals desperation. But
no amount of legal horsepower can change
the underlying facts. Expensive lawyers
can file motions, argue jurisdiction,
and delay proceedings. They cannot erase
threats already made. They cannot undo a
lawsuit already filed. They cannot
prevent discovery once the court allows
it. And the implications extend beyond
this one case. If a court determines
Melania has been lying about her
residency, that has tax consequences,
legal consequences, political
consequences. False statements in court
filings are not trivial. They compound
risk rather than reduce it. And all of
this is happening while Melania presents
a carefully curated public image that
collapses under pressure. Her recent
press appearance on artificial
intelligence was stiff, awkward, and
visibly uncomfortable. She struggled to
deliver scripted lines in a friendly
setting. That is not the demeanor of
someone prepared for aggressive
questioning by hostile attorneys under
oath. Wolf wants that deposition on
video. He wants a permanent record. He
wants to show what happens when Melania
Trump cannot control the narrative
through intimidation and legal threats.
He wants sunlight. And that is exactly
what she has been trying to avoid. And
this is where the entire strategy
collapses because Melania Trump did not
just stumble into this situation. She
created it. She chose intimidation over
silence. She chose threats over
restraint. She chose to try to scare
journalists instead of letting the story
fade. And by doing that, she triggered
the one legal response she could not
control. Anti-SLAP laws exist precisely
for this scenario. They are designed to
stop powerful figures from using the
threat of ruinous lawsuits to suppress
reporting on matters of public interest.
When Melania's lawyers sent those cease
and desist letters demanding apologies
and threatening billiondoll defamation
suits, they crossed directly into the
conduct those laws are meant to punish.
Wolf didn't need to prove she was wrong.
He only needed to show that she was
trying to silence him for reporting on a
subject the public has a right to
examine. And that subject matters.
Epstein was not a random criminal. He
was a trafficker who operated openly
among elites for decades. His social
network mattered. His enablers mattered.
His proximity to power mattered. and
Melania Trump by virtue of her marriage,
her social circle, and her documented
appearances is a legitimate subject of
inquiry. Threatening journalists for
even mentioning those connections only
makes the questions louder. That is why
this lawsuit is so dangerous for her.
Not because Wolf is guaranteed to win,
but because the process itself strips
away the protections she relies on.
Courts do not operate on vibes or
intimidation. They operate on evidence,
testimony, and credibility. And
Melania's credibility is already
fragile. She has inconsistencies in her
biography that have never been fully
explained. Claims about education that
do not align with records. Claims about
modeling pathways that intersect with
networks long scrutinized for
exploitation. Claims about how she met
Donald Trump that conflict with known
timelines and witnesses. None of that
mattered as long as no one could force
her to answer questions. Now someone
can. And once discovery begins, it
doesn't stop where she wants it to stop.
Documents lead to more documents.
Answers lead to follow-ups. Evasions
lead to court orders. Judges do not
tolerate gamesmanship once litigation is
underway, especially not from public
figures attempting to manipulate
jurisdiction to avoid scrutiny. Her
attempt to move the case to Florida is
not subtle. Everyone understands what
she is trying to do. Get the case in
front of a judge she believes will
protect her, limit discovery, and shut
it down early. But courts take a dim
view of forum shopping, especially when
it's built on disputed claims of
residency. If Wolf proves she lives
primarily in New York, the entire
maneuver backfires spectacularly.
And even if she somehow succeeds in
delaying discovery, the damage is
already done. The public knows she tried
to silence journalists. The public knows
she refused to sue when challenged. The
public knows she is hiding from service.
The public knows she is spending
enormous legal resources to avoid
answering questions under oath. None of
that reads as innocence. This is no
longer about whether Melania Trump had
any involvement with Epstein. It's about
why she is so afraid of the question
being asked in a courtroom. Innocent
people do not behave this way. Innocent
people do not deploy elite law firms to
avoid basic discovery. Innocent people
do not threaten billion-dollar lawsuits
and then retreat the moment those
threats are tested. And the optics could
not be worse. At a time when the Trump
orbit is already under scrutiny for
Epstein connections, sealed files,
judicial orders, and congressional
investigations, Melania's panic only
reinforces the perception that there is
more to uncover. Every delay tactic
fuels suspicion. Every evasive maneuver
keeps the story alive. What she wanted
was silence. What she created was a
legal proceeding that may force her to
speak under oath for the first time
about questions she has spent years
avoiding. That is the irony here. If she
had said nothing, this might have faded.
Instead, she tried to bully journalists
into submission. One of them refused.
And now she is facing the exact legal
exposure she was trying to prevent. So
the bottom line is this. Melania Trump
is not panicking because Michael Wolf is
reckless. She is panicking because he is
methodical. He used the law exactly as
it was designed. He flipped her
intimidation into liability. He turned
her threats into a discovery vehicle.
And now she is boxed in by her own
choices. She cannot retreat without
consequences. She cannot advance without
risk. And she cannot control the
narrative once the courtroom doors open.
That is why she is hiding. That is why
she is forum shopping. That is why she
is lawyering up. And that is why this
story is not going away.

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Trump Child Crimes Leak As He Tries To Delete Them
Jack Cocchiarella
Jan 30, 2026 Jack Cocchiarella Show

Political commentator Jack Cocchiarella reacts to Donald Trump in the latest batch of Epstein Files.

Brian Krassenstein
@krassenstein

HOLY CRAP: New Epstein files. Here is an FBI report:

"Donald Trump had parties at Maralago called "calendar girls" Jeffrey Epstein would bring the children in and trump would auction them off. He measured the children's vulva and vaginas by entering a finger and rated the children for tightness.

We were taken in rooms. forced to give oral sex to Donald J Trump. Forced to allow them to penetrate us. I was 13 years old when Donald J Trump raped me. Ghislaine Maxwell was also present."

Donald Trump had parties at Maralago called "calendar girls" Jeffrey Epstein would bring the children in and trump would auction them off. He measured the children's vulva and vaginas by entering a finger and rated the children for tightness. The guests were elder men and included Elon Musk. Don jr. Trump, Ivanka Trump,

Transcript

The crimes that Donald Trump perpetrated
against young girls that are being
revealed in these new Epstein files are
the most disgusting and sickening that
we have ever seen. Anyone not
immediately calling for Donald Trump's
impeachment is an unserious person who
never cared about crime or corruption or
pedophiles or any of this. And they
never will. They are spineless and they
are insincere. But we knew this was
coming and that makes it so much worse
that we knew this is what's coming and
it still stings. It's still so hard to
read and comprehend that we have gotten
to this point. And that is why the DOJ
immediately removed every single one of
these files from its website. But there
were many journalists taking
screenshots, saving and uploading them.
And that is what we are going to get
into. Unfortunately though, there's a
counternarrative already being presented
by the administration starting with what
Todd Blanch had to say this morning
about how no one would be protecting
Trump only for hours later Donald Trump
to be protected. Very quickly, can you
assure can you assure the American
public that President Trump, like every
other prominent person whose name came
up in relation to the Epstein files that
all documents, photos, and anything
relevant to him connected to the case
are being released?
I I mean, yes, I can assure that we
complied with the statute. We complied
with the act. And there is no um we did
not protect President Trump. We didn't
protect or not protect anybody. I mean,
I think that that we that there's a a
hunger or a thirst for information that
I do not think will be satisfied by the
review of these documents. Um, and and
there's it's not there's nothing I can
do about that. But President Trump, of
all the people in Washington DC and
around this country that have said for
years the same consistent message about
Jeffrey Epstein is President Trump. The
fact that the deputy attorney general
who worked for the president of the
United States as his personal lawyer
defending him against other crimes
is now telling us, "Don't worry, we
didn't protect my former client, my
current client, who I went down to to,
you know, North Florida to interview
Glain Maxwell to protect him."
The fact that he even has to say that
should be a massive scandal. But the
fact that he's saying it and it's not
true is even worse. But it's not just
the defending of Donald Trump. I find
that so important and it's the reason I
want to play this this second clip of
Todd Blanch before we get to this
reporting because it's not just about
Donald Trump. It's about everything and
they're lying about everything. So, just
to clarify, are is the public going to
learn the identities of the men who
abused the girls with the information
that you're releasing? And if not, why
not? And then I have a quick followup.
I mean, you just baked in an assumption
into your question that I have never
said and I don't know to be true. Is the
public going to learn about
men that abuse these girls? Like, what
does that mean? I mean, I don't
understand what that means.
Well, I mean there the men who abused
the young women through Epstein's
um through
we said in July um and it remains as
true today as it was in July um if we
had information we meaning the
department of justice about men who
abused women we would um we would we
would prosecute them. There is a reason
that Donald Trump isn't just protecting
himself, but also the other men who
abused these young girls, these
teenagers, these children. And it is
because Donald Trump knows that if we
know their names, if we know their
crimes, then they will have to speak
out. They will be compelled to testify
before Congress to further implicate
Donald Trump. And at the same time, he
wants you to think that the Epstein
files is this just a tiny little thing
that it was a couple of people who
bumped into a guy, just some guy in Palm
Beach. That's not true. And he goes so
much deeper. The cover up is is
extending so far. And it's obvious why
this is truly sickening. If you don't
want to stick around, you shouldn't. Um,
but it is heartbreaking and horrifying.
Sarah Longwell of The Bull Work reports
on one email in the files. Jeffrey
Epstein saying, "Trump is likely to be
asked questions soon about me.
Supposedly, a girl said that Donald had
sex with her at my house when she was
underage equals C2. She said he has a
witness." Twitter user Brian
Crassenstein writes, "New Epstein files.
Here's an FBI report. Donald Trump had
parties at Mara Lago called Girls.
Jeffrey Epstein would bring the children
in and Trump would auction them off. He
measured the children's vulva and
vaginas by entering a finger and he
raided the children on tightness. That's
just [ __ ] sickening. We were taken
into rooms, forced to give oral ex to
Donald Trump, forced to allow them to or
rape us. I was 13 years old when Donald
Trump raped me, and Colleen Maxwell was
also present. news. Epstein files
alleged that Donald Trump forced a 13 to
14year-old girl to perform oral sex on
him and then bit her after and then hit
her after she bit him. Of course, the
DOJ is immediately moving to take down
all of these files off of its website
and trying to delete them in any other
form that they exist. A Capitol Hill
reporter wrote, "Republican senators
keep asking me what's in the new Epstein
files, so I showed them the deleted
spreadsheet." One responded, "That's
dark, man. Fuck."
Who declined to comment on the record,
of course.
I I really I don't know what to say.
Like, I I do know what to say. What What
I want to say is impeach him
immediately, throw him in jail, lock him
onto the jail,
wrap it all up. Every Republican that's
ever defended him.
But I'm just like, we've been saying
that because we knew that this is what
it was going to be. We knew I I said it
a couple of times. If what has already
come out before today
was just the tip of the iceberg, right?
And what had already come out before
today
was disqualifying of public life
already. If that was what they were
allowing to get out there, then the
stuff that they were hiding, and they're
still hiding more, must be inconceivably
bad. And that's where we're at today.
Donald Trump is a pedophile. He is. And
there's no other way to spin it. No
other way to put it. There's no gh Megan
Kelly. Well, I think Epstein, like, you
know, 16 and 17. Shut the [ __ ] up. What
a [ __ ] Call yourself a Christian.
You're disgusting. You disgust me.
But but really
now, um, I just I I don't I don't I
don't know how to process this. And I
know that should be sometimes my job and
that's what I have to do and that's what
but I I I truly don't I don't know how
anyone could see this and be able to
process and get a thought out. Where my
head goes to immediately
is that first Epstein email I wanted to
read that Sarah Longwell talked about
Epstein saying that um Donald Trump will
now get questions about me and I I think
those questions
were going to be asked in the first
term. those questions were going to be
asked in 2016 leading up to election
day. I think those questions were
were thwarted in the first term and I
think some action was taken in the first
term and I don't think we've talked
about the first term enough. I don't
think we have covered how far Donald
Trump went.
Maybe in some less public ways
to hide all of the Epstein material, but
that that is where our focus has to be.
This is the most disgusting thing I've
ever read. But it just makes me think if
this is what they accident they
accidentally put this out. They've had
weeks and months. It's been a year. They
accidentally put this out. They've been
combing through it all. They have the
same control F, if better tools than us,
and they couldn't find it. It also makes
me think something else that there must
be someone in the FBI, in the DOJ who
maybe want some of this to get out and
is allowing it to kind of slip through
the cracks, which I I think has to be
a little like like that that that's
something that that is an explanation.
It also could just be if you're bringing
in people
to protect pedophiles for the president
and be his servants in the DOJ, those
probably aren't the best lawyers. Those
probably aren't the the greatest minds
in the country. And so this could be
pure incompetence. This could be someone
trying to sabotage Donald Trump from
within. I don't know.
I don't know what's better for the
prospects of getting more files, but I
just have to think that what is still
out there, photos, videos.
We haven't talked about that missing
prison tape minute in so long.
It just got to be I don't know what gets
much worse than this, but there's no way
Epstein killed himself. Not a shot. Not
a shot at this point. I I you could not
you could not make a case to me that'd
have me believe that it had to be Trump.
It had to be someone in the
administration, someone in the in the
DOJ in the F I I don't know in the CIA.
I don't know. It just has to be. There's
too much out there. And where does this
leave the Galain testimony that's coming
up February 9th, Gain Maxwell is going
to testify week and a half. Do we think
that's happening? Not a shot.
Not a shot.
Why else would she be in a five-star
resort prison if it wasn't for
if it wasn't for this this only still
being
I don't want to say the tip of the
iceberg because I feel like we're pretty
[ __ ] deep in just how gross it's
gotten.
But there is more and it's about the
first term. It is It has got to be about
the first term.
I I just truly can't process this all.
I'm sick. These [ __ ] people are
gross. They should be in jail for the
rest of their lives. They are
despicable. If you defend this,
you shouldn't be allowed to [ __ ]
vote.
You should be stripped of your
citizenship. I'm serious. Like, I'm not
even joking. If you defend this,
if you defended any of it, come on.
But no, we we got to start talking about
the first term. The first term is where
is where my mind is at.
that that's what they're really that's
what they're really covering.
That's got to be what they're really
covering
is what was happening with Galain, what
was happening with Epstein in that first
term.
Who was the go-between? There must have
been someone. There must have been some
off thereord meetings. There must have
been some some messages that were sent
and deleted.
You can't tell me that there was no
communication.
That is what is the rest of these
documents
involving federal officials from the
first term. It has to be there is no
other explanation for those additional 3
million other pages. 3 million other
photos, videos, documents, emails,
letters,
3 million. They said they overacounted.
But what does that mean? Okay, so you
had 6 million documents. You said we
only really need these three million.
So you had to review the other 3 million
to know you didn't need them, right?
And so if you already reviewed them,
shouldn't you just release them? Because
if you reviewed them and said, "Okay,
well, we can't release these because we
got to we got to black them out."
They've already done that. They've
they've released full redacted files.
So that there's no justification for
that explanation. It just simply doesn't
make sense. If you thought you over like
what do you mean you over account? Like
are you saying there's only 3 million?
There wasn't six because it sounds like
there's six. It sounds like there's
still three million documents out there.
I'm at a loss for words. I truly am. I
don't know how you couldn't be. Even
Republicans are responding. [ __ ]
There is a very small group of people.
It it would be a very small group of
people who could end this. Just a just a
handful of people could end this. Just
put a permanent end to this. And they
choose not to. The cowardice. It's
sickening.
Um I know this was not the most
enjoyable video I'm sure you have ever
watched on YouTube. I'm sorry about
that. There is so much reporting coming
out right now. I'm going to try to stay
up to date on all of it. Leaving a like
on this video, I don't know why you'd
like it because it sucked. and sharing
it and leaving a comment is a great way
to make sure that it gets out and that
the Megan Kelly narrative or the Ben
Shapiro narrative or the right-wing
narrative doesn't get out on YouTube. It
is very helpful. It would mean a lot.
We're going to keep on fighting. We're
not going to let him silence us. Jesus,
they're going to try. Uh, and until next
time y'all, I will see you

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Ghislaine Implicates Trump From Prison As Nightmare Leaks Out
Jack Cocchiarella
1/31/26

Political commentator Jack Cocchiarella reacts to Donald Trump and Ghislaine Maxwell news.



Transcript

Donald Trump really thought that if he
just tucked Ghislaine maxwell away in her
little five-star resort prison that if
he gave her a puppy, a pottery class,
and Door Dash whenever she wanted, the
Ghislaine problem would go away. But it's
not what's happening. Ghislaine Maxwell is
not only leaking from prison, but so far
in the files that we have seen today,
she has further implicated Donald Trump.
Not just court records, but new
information today has Donald Trump's
Ghislaine Maxwell problem getting even worse.
And I guess that technically makes it
worse for Ghislaine Maxwell, who is
desperate for a pardon from Donald
Trump. But I'm sure that her testimony
to the House Oversight Committee on
February 9th might help her get a little
closer to the pardon she so desperately
desires. Cleaning up this mess for
Donald Trump that only just got worse.
And it got worse because Ghislaine Maxwell
can't help herself. And it seems like
Donald Trump can't help himself either.
And Robert Garcia is calling out the
ways in which Pam Bondi can't help but
do her job. Before we get into this
breaking story,
Donald Trump and the Department of
Justice uh just made it clear right now
that they intend to withhold
approximately
50%
or half of the Epstein files while
claiming to have fully complied with the
law. This is outrageous
and incredibly concerning.
Now, the oversight committee subpoena,
which we have had in place now since the
summer, had directed the attorney
general, Pam Bondi, and the Department
of Justice to release all the files to
our committee,
of course, while also protecting our
survivors.
They are now in violation of that law.
The the the documents haven't been
released. This is not a case closed. No
more investigation. everyone pack up and
move on thing. Well, we are nowhere
close to being done talking about the
Epstein files, needing more information
about the Epstein files, and it's the
reason why we do really need the
testimony that's going to come from
Ghislaine Maxwell on February 9th. I would
not be surprised to see it be cancelled.
I'm serious. I wouldn't because no
matter how much she lies, she is a
proven liar. We already know that she's
a criminal. We shouldn't trust anything
she says. But just the the mere presence
of Ghislaine Maxwell, I I continue to
say the most important thing that we can
do to the narrative is not continue to
bring up examples of Donald Trump's
crimes. Yes, they are important and they
have to be reported on. But when we're
talking about strictly the narrative, I
think it is dismissing this idea that
Epstein's operation was a small one.
That is the most important thing. It was
broad. It was far-reaching. And it
implicates hundreds of of powerful, high
status, high net worth individuals who
are scared of more coming out. And
that's why Gain Maxwell was moved. Uh,
but it only brought more attention. And
Todd Blanch, yeah, he couldn't give a
lot of explanations on him.
Out of time. I do want to ask you about
Ghislaine Maxwell, who was of course
convicted in 2021 for her role in
helping Jeffrey Epstein traffic his
victims. In July, you interviewed her in
Florida, where she was serving a 20year
sentence in federal prison. Just a week
later, Maxwell was moved to a more
permissive prison camp in Texas. Why was
she moved just days after you
interviewed her, Mr. Blanch?
So, that's a Bureau of Prison Security
issue that that I will not talk about.
Did you have anything to do with it? Did
you have anything to do with it?
Let me finish. First of all, I am
responsible for the Bureau of Prisons.
So, every decision that they make um
lands on my desk um to the extent it
needs to. But just let let me let me
talk about the security issue. At the
time that I met Miss Maxwell, there was
a tremendous amount of of scrutiny and
publicity towards her and and the
institution she was in, she was
suffering numerous and numerous threats
against her life. So the BOP is not only
responsible for putting people in jail
and making sure they stay in jail, but
also for their safety. And so so she was
moved, she is in federal prison. She was
in federal prison before, she's in
federal prison now. She's doing 20 years
because she was convicted. And the fact
that she was she was moved she might be
moved to another institution tomorrow if
security requires it. And that's that's
true of any federal inmate across this
country. Why does the deputy attorney
general care how Ghislaine Maxwell feels in
prison? Why does he care about her
safety? Maybe it's because he's not the
deputy attorney general and he's still
Donald Trump's personal attorney looking
out for him in whatever way possible. I
think that is a more apt explanation of
why Todd Blanch has been so worried and
why Todd Blanch wouldn't really give us
an explanation when it came to the
movement of Ghislaine Maxwell. But they can
give her the five-star resort
experience. They can give her whatever
she wants, I guess, short of a pardon.
But it hasn't really worked in keeping
her quiet because more information
continues to come out that implicates
Donald Trump courtesy of Ghislaine Maxwell.
Journalist Aaron Parnes reports on
Twitter in an interview with FBI agents,
a survivor told agent that Ghislaine
Maxwell presented her to Donald Trump,
making clear she was available. This
isn't a tip. This is an FBI 302, an
interview with agents. This also comes
as within prison, Ghislaine Maxwell is
creating huge problems for Donald Trump.
Because buried in a habieus petition
that Maxwell recently fired and filed in
court, hoping to void her conviction,
the convicted associate of Epstein
references four potential
co-conspirators and 25 men who allegedly
reached settlements connected to
Epstein's abuse and were never indicted.
Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell were not
partners and Ghislaine was just kind of
hanging out and friends. No, no, no.
Like that framing again I I think
reduces the scope of what was going on.
They weren't just hanging out. Oh, and
things would happen. She was the
criminal mastermind alongside Epstein
and building out a cabal. She herself
was a trafficker and she herself was an
abusive criminal. I think to shrink
Ghislaine Maxwell down to just someone who
was in the mix really does damage to
understanding what broader story needs
to be told that this was a big cabal and
Donald Trump was part of it. As Rep.
Garcia recently said, it looked like
Mara Lago was a hub for some of this
trafficking. Now, Donald Trump didn't
like it when it was his employees, uh,
not because he cared about the the the
crimes being committed against these
women and young girls, children, but
because he thought it was bad for
business. That's what he was upset with
Epstein about, the business of it all.
But Ghislaine Maxwell I is clearly further
implicating Donald Trump both in what
she's sharing because of what the DOJ
refuses to investigate. We remember Todd
Blanch, it was only this morning, said,
"Well, if there were powerful men, you
know, abusing women and girls, we would
look into it. We would have already
looked into it." But they haven't. And
in doing so, they're violating the
Epstein Files Transparency Act. By not
telling us those 25 men and those four
co-conspirators, we know less and less.
This is the same Ghislaine Maxwell who was
emailing with Melania. This is the same
Ghislaine Maxwell who was on a plane
with just her and Donald Trump offering
up young girls to him. That is the
Maxwell who Donald Trump wants to frame
as someone who maybe he bumped into Palm
Beach. Of course, he wished her well,
right? Because because she was just a
person. She wasn't a criminal
mastermind. To Donald Trump, you should
think that Colleen Maxwell was just a
friend of Jeffrey Epstein's. That is
what Donald Trump is desperate for you
to think, that she was just a friend of
Jeffrey Epstein's. And that's it. She
was around. She went to a couple of
lunches, maybe a party or two, but don't
think any more deeply than that. But
that's what we have to do because this
is big. This implicates so many people
and I don't want us to think that way.
But it's the reason Maxwell is enjoying
some pretty spiffy conditions right now
that Jamie Raskin went through that I
want to talk about, but I just think we
need to remind like remind ourselves of
how bad things are. Well, I think the
fact that she was able to be transferred
to a prison camp where no sex offenders
had ever been allowed to enter there
before, much less live there or be
transferred there, is an indication that
they've got some kind of meeting of the
minds about uh what he can provide to
her and what she can provide to him. uh
he obviously doesn't want anybody who
can verify the kinds of explosive things
that have just come out from uh our
colleagues at the oversight committee um
through the Epstein estate to be
verified and attested to by somebody who
can go and testify about them. That's
why uh Trump sent uh his number two at
the Department of Justice, Todd Blanch,
over to talk to her immediately after
she was subpoenaed by the oversight
committee. and they wanted to make sure
that they had an understanding that she
would not say anything about Trump that
could get him into trouble. And then she
would seem to be on a glide path towards
clemency. And she was, you know, to
demonstrate their good faith, she was
sent over to this camp. She gets to play
with puppies there. She gets food
brought room service style directly to
her prison cell. And then there's this
um free speech clampdown on all of the
other inmates there who are being told
that they will get in trouble if they
say anything about her. And one of them
was actually transferred to a much
harsher uh prison uh greater security
prison because she did talk to the press
about it. And so there's a regime of
fear there. And uh our whistleblower has
come forward uh with a lot of bravery to
tell us what's taking place.
She's got Door Dash. She's got a puppy.
When she walks around in the in the
brutal Texas sun, they give her an
umbrella. And that on its own would be
bad. Like, like, let's be real. That
would be horrible. And it is.
But who is paying for that? Let's
remember who is paying for Ghislaine
Maxwell to enjoy a cushy little
lifestyle. She is a criminal and she is
enjoying all the the the the splendor of
her five-star Trump prison resort and
it's on your dime. The people who talk
about law and order, who talk about
waste, fraud, and abuse are spending
your money on Ghislaine Maxwell, making
sure that she's having a bang up time in
prison so that she does not say anything
to further implicate Donald Trump. But
unfortunately for Donald Trump, that is
what she is doing. Whether accidentally
or on purpose, Ghislaine Maxwell is causing
greater problems for Donald Trump. And
I've talked about the fact that her
testimony is coming up. I've talked
about the fact that I wouldn't be
surprised if she doesn't testify. I also
wouldn't be surprised if there was a
different reason that Ghislaine Maxwell
doesn't testify, if you kind of get my
drift there. Like, what is left? What is
left at this point? What is left that is
outside the realm of possibilities?
Anything? Like, let's be serious. Is
there no reason why Donald Trump
wouldn't, you know, Ghislaine Maxwell. Why
not? He'll do anything to protect
himself. But this is our money. It's
being spent on her. That should drive
you crazy. That should drive all of us
crazy. They Ghislaine Maxwell has a prison
cell for four people all to herself. Why
is the deputy attorney general of the
United States thinking about whether or
not Ghislaine Maxwell feels safe or not? I
don't care. She should be under the
prison. Okay?
It's our money being spent. It's insane.
And it's something that we haven't even
given consideration to because Donald
Trump has worked so hard and so
tirelessly to make us think that, again,
as I always say, because it's what he
wants us to believe, that he just bumped
into Epstein in Palm Beach, that
everyone was just hanging out. But no,
this was a broad cabal of criminals. And
it is why it is such a damning
indictment of the DOJ that they will
refuse to produce three million more
documents. And it's probably more than
that. What could they possibly be
hiding? If this is what they released,
what could they possibly be hiding? They
had time to go through and redact Donald
Trump's name. They've paid millions of
dollars, probably tens of millions of
dollars at this point in overtime to
make sure that they can redact away. and
they still shared this. What else could
be left? What else did Todd Blanch say
in that interview? What else do we not
know about? Remember that clip of Ghislaine
Maxwell walking in and out of prison
with documents? We still haven't seen
that. There's so much more to be
uncovered. But they want us to think
small and we cannot. We have to continue
to call it out. We're going to on this
show. These are difficult topics to
cover. I know that. But I I promise you
we are going to. And if you want to
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Bombshell! NEW Epstein Files hit Trump, his Cabinet & ELON MUSK’s “party”: Melber on 3 MILLION Docs
by Ari Melber, Journalist & Attorney
Jan 30, 2026 #epsteinfiles

Three million #epsteinfiles drop and Ari Melber reports on key details



Transcript

3M Files
The largest number of Epstein files ever
have been released. A huge tranch of
about three million documents. I'm going
to go through a couple highlights,
including things like this, which show
that the DOJ under Donald Trump had a
list of leads of people they at least
could have investigated, potentially
charged, and didn't. I'm Ari Melber, a
lawyer and journalist. Uh you can
subscribe for my YouTubes. I've covered
this story and other legal stories for a
long time. This is going to be
admittedly a partial look at some of
these files. Um, but we are getting
materials about how the Justice
Department tried or failed to look at
this case to investigate this over the
years through Epstein's arrest and
New evidence vs coverup
suspicious death in custody. uh as well
as how they looked at other individuals
as well as all the weird dealings uh and
criminal dealings and attempts to abuse
uh women and girls uh and actually do so
and other individuals from Trump's
current cabinet officials to his Fed
chair pick to Elon Musk uh being in the
new tranch files. Uh two points off top.
This is a classic example where both
things are true. Uh, I cover a lot of
stories and people search for
narratives. Uh, both narratives,
critical and constructive, are true
about the Epstein files. Uh, the
critical one is, are you ever really
going to get to the bottom of a cover up
that has been clearly proven as a cover
up when so many powerful elites are in
charge of the files, in charge of the
government, tied to each other? What's
the point? yada yada. Um, there's truth
in that because the DOJ only got here
under some of the most tremendous
pressure, a public campaign backed
ultimately by one of the widest votes in
Congress that we've ever seen. That took
years and they still broke the law. They
still completely violated the law uh for
over 40 days after the deadline and the
release now may still be partial
although it is voluminous. Um, so that's
point one. Point two, pressure works.
Epstein Allies
This has been an extraordinarily
effective, probably one of the most
effective public legal pressure
campaigns to change the law and the
secrecy that protects in this case uh
potentially very suspicious people.
Legally, I'm saying that in all
fairness, um, one of the most effective
ever, and we're learning things we never
normally learn, and I'm going to talk
about that. Uh the single largest clue
about the DOJ's approach to this comes
in a document uh titled Jeffrey Epstein
uh with a bunch of numbers on it and
it's partially redacted but it still has
a lot of material about who the DOJ
viewed uh as Epstein's
team. Now some of them could be
investigated for potential crimes. One
of them Maxwell was convicted. Others,
it's possible in all fairness, might be
defending him, but not part of a crime.
For example, lawyers uh are always tied,
criminal defense lawyers are tied to
people uh accused of or convicted of
crimes. Doesn't mean that they help do
them. They provide legal defense and
under our system, the worst of the worst
still get that. So, to be clear, not
everyone on this list is automatically
provably indictable. But you got people
redacted, you got employees, you got
Maxwell who was, and then you got a
bunch of people they looked at who were
not indicted, which raises the question
whether both the Trump DOJ and other
DOJ's before and after, which were
under, for example, Democratic
administrations, um, failed to really
pull pull the threads on these leads and
then still to this day are not. Um, they
DOJ
also have Brunell, uh, who's an
individual who since died, who was
listed right here. Uh Epstein after
indictment was suspiciously found dead
in his cell and the Trump DOJ at the
time ruled it uh a suicide. Brunell was
found dead in his cell in Europe and the
government there ruled it a suicide. And
as we've reported, there are questions
when key people in this kind of matrix
when they are ever caught and they wound
up dead whether you've had a full
investigation of that. And so we're
still combing through the documents
about whether we're going to get more
material about the death. That's one of
the things the law requires. Uh but this
investigative document shows that there
were a lot of other people on the DOJ's
radar, including some that are not being
named here, and we're going to continue
to to report this out, who were not
pursued and indicted. Um and that raises
questions about the cover up and whether
they backed off this case uh and dealt
with basically Epstein died, Maxwell,
and moved on. Um, a second uh key point
here I want to talk about and I'm just
got a lot of documents here so bear with
me. Uh, goes to whether they're
complying with the key investigative
material for getting justice. Uh,
Congressman Kana after the Friday
release said what he's checking is
whether they have all the FBI interview
statements, what are called 302s, so
that you can go through even if names
are redacted for protection, and look at
what victims said, as well as the emails
from Epstein's computers and the
original Florida probe. Those are things
he's looking at. Uh, point number three,
there are a lot of questions about
whether Epstein got as far as he did in
away with so much by criminally
blackmailing people, extorting people
and blackmailing. that matters because
if you want to address these past
crimes, address whether anyone else
should be charged as I as I mentioned
and prevent this in the future, these
kind of operations, the government has
to care about that. Um Pam Bondi claimed
that they looked at this and they found
no credible blackmail evidence. Well,
here's a headline. There is credible
blackmail evidence in these new released
Epstein files. So, that's a change. Uh,
one of them comes from
these emails Epstein would send himself
and whether they are true is a separate
question. You can blackmail someone with
something that's 100% true, partially
true or false. Um, certain types of
blackmail and extortion are obviously a
crime. And there are these lengthy
emails that in fact in 2013, quite a
while ago, Epste was sending to himself
about prominent individuals including
Named individuals
Bill Gates. And so we need more
reporting and time to confirm the
veracity of things that someone as as
dodgy as Epstein says. But you see new
examples of things that he could use to
try to blackmail people. Then you add to
that uh Howard Lutnik who is in the
Trump cabinet today who said publicly in
2025 that he viewed Epstein as one of
the greatest black males of all time and
that he cut off ties with him. Okay. So
Bondi in Trump's cabinet says no
blackmail. Lutnik says blackmail. And
Lutnik said he cut off
all ties. I want to get the quote right.
I will quote never be in a room with
that disgusting person again. He said in
2005. Um and yet
in these new files among the 3 million
that we got new uh in 2012,
okay, many years after he said he was
cutting off contact, he was still
actively emailing to plan a trip to
Epstein's island. Uh that flatly
contradicts what he said. He's in the
Trump administration. Uh he was on that
trip according to emails with his wife.
Not clear whether he would come with his
wife, whether he viewed this as social.
um not not any email evidence that
alleges a crime. Unclear whether they
made the trip, but it flatly breaks what
he said he was going to cut off contact
with. And it raises the question why
Lutnik uh was so clear to publicly
accuse Epstein of being a black mailer.
I've been covering how the House has
continued to investigate this and issued
new subpoenas for other people in
Epstein's orbit. Um, the new chart
includes people that are facing uh
further depositions and testimony before
Congress. Again, I talked about how some
of this has been held back, but pressure
can work. Uh, in that orbit includes uh
Epstein's lawyer, Darren Indk, his money
man, Richard Khan, uh, who is now
scheduled for a March 11th deposition
under under a congressional pressure and
oath uh, to discuss some of this. and
now they have all of this material. Um,
then there's the Elon Musk of it all.
Uh, Elon Musk is a very powerful figure.
When you think about the amount of
business he does, he's one of the most
uh powerful figures in the world. Um
when you you look at Starlink at Tesla
owning X um sprawling business empire
and then recently of course worked with
Trump so closely he had a kind of a
roving super cabinet job. He also
memorably accused Donald Trump of being
in the Epstein files etc. What we find
here are emails tied to Musk where he is
actively trying to go to visit Epste or
Epste Island. He wants to have a party.
Uh he says he's ready to have one of the
wildest parties. Again, if you're going
to be fair as a journalist or lawyer,
that doesn't mean it happened. And if it
happened and they went to a party, it
doesn't mean uh that you can yet discuss
credible evidence of a crime. But Elon
Musk, who's out here saying Trump's in
the files, it turns out only because
some of this disclosure has under
pressure gotten to this point, we
learned he's in the files. Um, another
individual, Donald Trump has been uh
pushing uh as now to take the super
powerful position of running the Fed. uh
Donald Trump's nominee, Kevin Walsh, uh
appears in the files as Epstein invitee
to a social event. Um these are just
some of what we're learning and it
speaks to why the transparency matters
and just how many top level people even
if they weren't involved in crimes were
tied into this. this person um who
basically was using by his own account
efforts that sounded like blackmail uh
sounded like gathering material on all
these people reaching into clearly both
parties uh and the top financial and
business elites who have so much sway
over the US and other governments. Uh so
that's just some of the summary here. As
someone who's covered this and other
legal cases, it's really striking.
There's actually more here than you can
get through in a day of reading and
reporting or or one of these videos. And
it's not one simple narrative. It's not
that it's only tied to one group. Uh the
questions that face the DOJ's failure to
pursue these leads, which I think is
quite obvious, involve really both
parties because anyone in charge of the
DOJ at the time this list was made in
the first Trump term when they did
indict Epstein.
But even if they drop the ball, what
about the next Merrick Garland DOJ? When
you look at the number of people
implicated, you get a sense of why
Epstein was able
to stay basically
out of much legal pressure even though
we know he'd already been convicted in
the Florida case, got soft treatment.
Um, and people have asked how this
worked. We're getting a window into that
deeper than we had before. And there's a
difference between, you know,
speculating about it, having a sense of
it or Lutnik saying it in general, and
seeing the hard evidence. I'm not going
to go through this in detail, but it's
really fascinating. This is all the way
back um to as recently as 2025 where you
Future testimony
have criminal histories and you have
pages and pages of uh governmental leads
and material redacted about how they
were looking into tips and allegations.
This is the type of crime fighting
material that we usually don't see. Um
but remember, we don't see it because
there are laws that heir on the side of
secrecy. here, Congress under pressure
changed laws to air or push more on the
side of sunlight. And so because of
that, uh, we got three million more
Epstein files. Uh, what comes next? Um,
a fuller review, which actually takes
time to figure out whether these were
valid redactions or not. Again, going
through some of the my notes, uh, the
DOJ admits that they've redacted or
withheld 200,000 pages of material.
there can be valid reasons for that. The
law gives very narrow uh privileges
including to protect victims. Um so it
will take time to determine whether they
are using that and abusing that to hide
the most important stuff or whether as I
mentioned that both things are true.
Whether under pressure um with many
lawyers working on this and many of
these documents spread throughout the
DOJ um having a total cover up of all
the documents indefinitely um proved to
be untenable. A final point for those
who followed this closely, the Congress
had not yet sued to try to get a court
to force this compliance. Um, and what
we didn't publicly know a few weeks ago,
we may know now, which is you're not
going to look very good going to court
if you bring that case and say they're
not complying at all, and then the very
next day they drop 3 million documents
on you. So, in the backroom dealings,
Next
which I dealt with as a reporter and a
lawyer and go back years far enough when
I briefly worked in Congress, there can
be times where DOJ says, "Hey, don't
take us to court yet. We're really going
to drop 3 million documents." And people
say, "Well, do we believe them or not?
The government can lie to you." Um, but
this, I think, gives more of a clue as
to why we hadn't seen that escalation.
If Congress determines that this is
decent or close, maybe that's where it
lands. if they determine that there's a
lot missing, by some estimates, they
could there could still be millions of
documents missing or that they're
abusing redactions and they can go that
way. So, that's a a report on some of
this. My other videos have material on
the subpoenas and some of the other
Epstein files information we've learned.
You can check those out. Uh stay
informed.

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Whitney Webb
Investigative Insights TV
Jan 30, 2026

Credit to PBD Podcast for their great interview with Whitney Webb.

This video unpacks the hidden architecture behind the Epstein scandal by tracing it back through the Maxwell family, intelligence networks, and organized crime—connections that mainstream media routinely fragments or ignores. Rather than treating Epstein as an isolated aberration, the discussion situates him within a much older nexus of power involving Robert Maxwell, transnational intelligence agencies, Eastern European organized crime, and elite political circles in the United States. From Donald Trump’s contrasting public reactions to Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, to the overlooked role of figures like Semion Mogilevich, the conversation challenges the selective narratives that dominate press coverage and asks why certain relationships are acknowledged while others remain taboo.

The analysis moves deeper into the Clinton-era entanglements, examining Jeffrey Epstein’s extraordinary access to the White House, the expanded visitor logs involving Mark Middleton, and the broader backdrop of China-gate, BCCI, and covert financial pipelines that blurred the line between national security and criminal enterprise. By connecting intelligence operations, illicit finance, and political patronage, the video argues that these scandals are not random but structural—products of a system that rewards secrecy, leverage, and impunity at the highest levels. What emerges is not a tidy conspiracy, but a disturbing continuity of power that spans decades and administrations, demanding far more scrutiny than it has received. Turn on notifications to stay updated!



Transcript

... people like Semion Mogilevich whose name
has come up for example like when
mainstream media talks about Donald
Trump at the Russian mob and all of this
stuff it all goes back to Semion Mogilevich
but they won't acknowledge
that he was a business partner of Robert
Maxwell and you have Donald Trump
partying on the Lady Ghislaine Robert
Maxwell's yacht in the same period in
the late '8s and I think it's
interesting too you look at Donald
Trump's reaction to Jeffrey Epstein's
arrest he wants to distance himself I'm
not a fan and then Ghislaine Maxwell gets
arrested I wish her well he says is
in Jeffrey Epstein's case, I think he
was definitely doing the gotcha stuff
and the latter stuff to people. I think
that's pretty clear. Uh but in addition,
you know, when he uh tried to justify
himself to to journalists after his
first arrest, he would be like, "Now
listen, historically the age of cassette
wasn't 16, and it's not that weird, you
know, once they hit puberty, like game
on," basically is what he was saying.
And people have pointed to um I think
it's an op-ed piece that Alan Dershowitz
wrote in I think the early 2000s or late
90s. Don't know the exact date, but he
says something like, you know, it should
really be once girls start ministrating
at the
Dersuit said this.
Yes.
This is why his name constantly gets
brought up.
You know, um I you know there's
allegations against him obviously, but
by the way, he's talked about it and
he's responded to it in interviews like
people have asked
he's very direct about it, but I think
that's part of his strategy. I think he
feels like if he sherks away from it,
people will assume guilt. And I think he
thinks he has a better chance of, you
know, protecting his reputation if he
confronts it head-on. But I don't, you
know, the court of public opinion, as
far as Dershowitz, it's concerned, I think
a lot of people seem to agree with the
allegations. But again, it's hard to
know, you know, when it comes to
Epstein, you know, if your name gets
associated with him, even epste
acknowledged in early 2019, you know,
he's radioactive is the word he used to
describe himself after his first arrest.
Two things. Let's talk about when the
connection came with Clinton and then
when he met Ghislaine. Which happened
first? He met Ghislaine first, then he met
Clinton.
Yeah. So with with Ghislaine Maxwell, it's
publicly claimed that they met in late
1991 or so. Their first public
appearance together was when he sat next
to her and her mother at a tribute to
Robert Maxwell shortly after his death
that was at the Plaza Hotel in New York.
But, you know, that was sort of, in my
opinion, more of a coming out of their
public relationship in this close
association that followed from that
point on of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine
Maxwell. Um, I note in the book that
there's differing allegations and people
are open to make up their, you know,
their own conclusions about it that they
met years prior. And there's also
allegations from people that worked with
Robert Maxwell when he was doing stuff
for Israeli intelligence, including
former Israeli intelligence agents, uh,
that Robert Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein
knew each other in the mid 1980s and
worked together on intelligence stuff
and that Ghislaine Maxwell had sort of
brought Epstein into the fold because
they had some sort of romantic
relationship in this
who had the romantic relationship
Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine before 1991.
That's the claim. So
is that how you would like how would you
describe their relationship? Were they
friends? Were they lovers? Were they
business partners? Was it all the above?
Was it weird? Was it sex?
I think after 1991 it was definitely
very business partner stuff. There's
been a lot of this stuff out there to
absolve Ghislaine. I think in a sense where
they say, "Oh, she was just enamored
with him and that's why she did
everything." I think it's much more
complicated than that. And the reason I
think they've been able to sell that
narrative so well is because they just
totally ignore her father and her
relationship with her father. her father
dies and she's used to being in this
particular relationship with a man in
this case her father who dominates her
life and and runs it basically for her
and has for years and then he's dead and
what does she do? She goes to someone
who's just like Robert Maxwell.
So it's important to find out more
about Robert Maxwell because he himself
was a very very interesting character.
What do we know about Robert Maxwell?
Oh man. Well, I mean we could fill up
the whole podcast talking about Robert
Maxwell to be honest. Uh but really his
intelligence connections are a matter of
record. He was uh very closely
associated with Israeli intelligence. He
was also closely associated with figures
in Soviet and Eastern European
intelligence to a significant degree, an
alleged relationship with British
intelligence. I mean, it seems like he
could have been a double or triple
agent, you know, very involved with
intelligence stuff. And that's why it's
complicated when we talk about
intelligence affiliations. Oh, you know,
people are like, you know, Robert Maxwell
was just Mossad. Well, you know, it's
more complicated than that. These people
are interested in money and power from
themselves a lot of times. So if it
means, you know, you know, helping these
guys out and helping these guys out,
having your hands in as many pies as
possible to rake in more money for you
and stuff like that. I mean, a lot of
these guys seem to do that. And Robert
Maxwell was definitely a guy that sort
of seemed to not just straddle
intelligence agencies, but also
intelligence and organized crime, which
is another uh big theme of of the book.
So looking at Robert Maxwell by the by
the 19 around the end of the 1980s or
so, he went into business with Eastern
block mobsters in a big way. people like
Simeon Mgalovich who whose name has come
up for example like when mainstream
media talks about Donald Trump and the
the Russian mob and all of this stuff it
all goes back to Semion Mogilevich but
they won't acknowledge that uh he was a
business partner of Robert Maxwell and
you have Donald Trump partying on the
Lady Ghislaine Robert Maxwell's yacht in in
the same period in the late 80s and all
of this stuff. So is it really more of
the Maxwell mafia or the Russian mafia
right? uh there hasn't really been an
interest in connecting you know those
dots right and I think it's interesting
too you look at Donald Trump's reaction
to Jeffrey Epstein's arrest he wants to
distance himself I'm not a fan right and
then Ghislaine Maxwell gets arrested I wish
her well he says and people like that
used to be pretty close to this nexus
like Steven Hoffenberg say that Trump
was much closer to the Maxwell side than
the Epstein side
from the from the father's side Robert
yeah and that it continued you know that
his affiliation with Epstein and Ghislaine
after Robert Maxwell's death talking
about Donald Trump was because that he
was closer to Ghislaine than Epstein necess
Well, let me ask you this. How was
Trump's relationship with the Murdoch
family?
I'm not exactly familiar with that. But
but
because these guys were competitors,
Maxwell and Murdoch were not
were competitors. Yeah. But Trump's
mentor was Roy Cohn, right? And so Roy
Conn had a friendly relationship with
Murdoch.
Got it. And these guys are going at it.
And this character Robert Maxwell could
have been like a great Great Gatsby
character cuz he would tell the stories
and half the stories you don't know if
it's real or not. But at that time,
you're going to have to believe it. He
was uh he's been described as like
narcissistic, a very very big on
self-promotion, very, you know, he was
determined to make himself and his
family sort of like the next Kennedys.
He wanted to make a a dynasty of power.
Uh that was what he was interested in.
Maxwell.
Robert Maxwell. Yeah. And one of the top
FBI special agents in New York, John
Patrick O'Neal, you know, went on record
saying that Robert Maxwell, before he
died, set into motion a global coalition
of criminals that he basically made a
major successful effort to bring
together organized crime factions from
around the world into like a global
basically criminal conglomerate at the
same time that he's has all these
intelligence affiliations. Wow.
And that's pretty significant, right?
Well, I was just going to say that
O'Neal said, you know, if you look into
that guy's career specifically, you
know, he was sort of head-oned to be
head of the security at the World Trade
Center and he started just days before
9/11 and he was sort of pushed out of
the FBI. But before he was he left the
FBI and he made these statements to
author Gordon Thomas, he said, "I have
people looking in try still trying to
unravel the Maxwell legacy in New York."
And this is a decade after Robert
Maxwell's death. The Daily Beast around
the time that Epstein was arrested the
second time came out and and noted that
Epstein had had attended at least five
meetings uh at the Clinton White House
with a guy named Mark Middleton. Okay.
Last December, the Daily Mail obtained
the full visitor logs. That number
ballooned to 17. It wasn't covered in
the US. Shouldn't that matter that it
goes from 5 to 17. You have this guy in
less than around two years going to the
White House 17 times. And he's not just
meeting with Mark Middleton. first
meeting was Robert Rumman, a former head
of Goldman Sachs, who by the way,
Goldman Sachs was accused of being a
major accessory to Robert Maxwell's
financial crimes, including the stuff
with the pension funds and all of that,
were involved in all of this crazy
stuff. So, the guy that is part, you
know, running basically the bank that
Robert Maxwell is very much tied to,
Robert Maxwell dies and the first guy to
bring Jeffrey Epstein into the White
House is that banker.
So, go to the Clintons. Go to the
Clintons. You were talking about
everything with the Clintons. Why why do
so many people when it comes down to
Clintons get suicided? Uh you know we
hear
I don't have an answer for that but I
mean I can give you my opinion.
Yeah that's what I want to hear. Why we
hear these stories and then you know I
want to I want to ask you whether you
feel Trump has any kind of a involvement
with Epstein not in regards to business
but with women because I have my own
theory there as well but let's start off
with the Clintons first.
Okay. So the Clinton stuff is really
complicated and even I like with the
book, you know, I sort of saved some of
that stuff for last and I it it probably
should be its own book because this Mark
Middleton guy, most of his meetings were
with Mark Middleton. Um you have these
visitor logs came out right last
December at 17 visits. It's much more
than five with Mark Middleton. And then
just a few months later, Mark Middleton
dies in Little Rock, Arkansas. Uh he was
allegedly found hanging by the neck from
an with an extension cord around his
neck and a shotgun wound to the chest
and it was labeled a suicide. Uh a local
court in AR Arkansas said that no media
uh front taken at the scene, photos,
videos, anything is allowed to be
released to the public.
Hold on. What? He was hanging.
This is again this is again from the
Daily Mail citing local law enforcement
that you know it's it's very crazy. Um,
I mean, listen, if you can commit
suicide by hanging yourself and shooting
yourself with a shotgun in the chest,
you're you're a magician is what you
are. I mean, you're you're in a league
of your own to be
and so this is right after it comes out
that he's, you know, meeting the guy
that met with Epstein a bunch at the
Clinton White House. But it's even
crazier than that cuz you once you start
looking into who Mark Middleton was at
the White House, it gets crazy really
fast. I'll give you an example. George
W. Bush comes into office. Are you
familiar with the first time Bush
invoked executive privilege? Among other
things, I think there were three things
in the particular document that was, you
know, that invocation. But one of those
three was all documents about Mark
Middleton not going to Congress, which
was investigating Mark Middleton. Why
did Bush step in to protect a aid to the
chief of staff of the White House for
Clinton who's normally, you know, he's
he's not a big fish, right?
Yeah. What was
Why is Bush stepping in for that?
What's your theory? Well, uh, if you
look into why Mark Middleton was
infamous at that time and why he was
being investigated, uh, it's remembered
really only by US conservatives today
and they refer to it as China, which is
kind of a a largely forgotten political
scandal. It's insane once you get into
it. I personally think China I think
China's kind of a misnomer. You you do
have China involved, but really it's the
same it's some of the families that
backed Bill Clinton uh when he was
governor of Arkansas. Uh, the Riotti
family, Jackson Stevens, these types of
figures. uh when Bill Clinton becomes
president, they have a lot of interest
in uh China stuff and and mainly it
looks sort of like a lot of tech
transfer stuff to China. And so
conservatives at at the time said it was
basically the the Clintons selling out
uh US national security on a on a major
scale to uh the Chinese government or
mainly uh to firms that were you know
statebacked and and tied up with the the
Chinese military. And Mark Middleton was
one of the guys at the center of this
and Epstein's meeting with him at the
same time that China Gates active and
oddly enough in the same period of time
and I mean this is why it's so crazy uh
Jeffrey Epstein on behalf of Leslie Wexner
is involved in moving an airline called
Southern Air Transport from Miami,
Florida to Columbus, Ohio to run cargo
for the limited and um that's the
airline that used to be Air America the
CIA airline and Southern Air Transport
was involved in the Iran Contra stuff
moving stuff the Mina Arkansas Barry
Seal
the cocaine stuff, all of that was
southern air transport. And then just a
few years later, it becomes the airline
of the limited and it's not going from
Miami to Latin America anymore. It's
going from Columbus, Ohio involved with
Epstein and Wexner. It's going to Hong
Kong. And this is the guy at the same
period of time. He's meeting with the
China gate guy. I mean, there's a lot of
really crazy stuff here. And honestly,
it would take the whole podcast to
unravel it all. I've tried to do my best
in the book, but there's there's really
a lot more there. And it's it's very
crazy. And the other guy at the center
of this was Commerce Secretary Ron Brown
who agreed to cooperate with an
investigation into a lot of this stuff
and then he ends up dead in a plane
crash that kills a bunch of people in
the commerce department that are at the
exact part of commerce ITA at the
commerce department who were that was
basically the department most targeted
by this particular group for China gate.
It's just it's so nuts. I mean I would
encourage people to read this part of
the book because there's so much detail.
It's so convoluted and insane when you
get into the the stuff about this and
even the congressional reports that were
done about China game. I mean, it's
totally insane what happened. It's very
like illegal. And there was a focus on
the illegal campaign donations, but it
was basically like pay-for-play
politics, but it was pay-for-p politics
where these illegal uh campaign
donations were being obtained from non-
US citizens and it was basically buying
influence of the commerce department
that was seems to have been signing off
on basically tech transfers of sensitive
like military and other types of
technology to our ostensible adversary
and when it wasn't supposed to be sent
over there and also stuff about China's
trading status, like most favored nation
trading status, because Clinton
campaigned on playing hard ball with the
Chinese about that stuff. And he totally
reversed. And a lot of this is because
of this this one family that backed his
political career going way back named
the Riottis that are actually
Indonesian, but they're ethnic Chinese
and they have a lot of business
interests in all of Southeast Asia.
They're very big. They're called the
Lippo Group. and um the lipo group and
and Jackson Stevens. These guys have a
relationship with BCCI that we me we
talked about earlier back in the 1980s
and actually tried to save the BCCI Hong
Kong branch before its collapse and
that's when they went into business uh
with some of these Chinese
governmentowned firms and that's where
China really starts and it gets really
crazy from from there on out. But
talking even not talking about China
anymore, you look at the first time
Epstein went to a Clinton fundraiser. It
was supposed to be for the White House
Historical Association, nominally a
fundraiser so Hillary Clinton could
redecorate parts of the White House. I
don't even I feel crazy talking about it
just because it's so insane. But this
fundraiser Epstein was involved in, he was
one of the donors to that. You also have
one of the guys instrumental in BCCI
stuff like Clark Clifford uh who was in
the Carter administration and played a
major role in BCCI's entry into the US
financial system. Um and then you have a
guy um named C. Gerald Goldsmith who
tried to run for mayor of Palm Beach
once who has a bunch of ties to offshore
banking complex organized crime. I mean,
a lot of the guys, not everyone
obviously, but some of the guys that
attended this fundraiser are financial
guys like that. And this fundraiser ends
in Vince Foster's suicide note. Are
you familiar with Vince Foster?
Yeah, of course.
He was White House counsel um and
Yeah. and he died and uh there's a lot
of speculation about what really
happened there cuz you know he
supposedly shot himself in the mouth but
there's no blood at the scene right and
uh the autopsy report said it was a
mouth to neck wound and then they
changed it you know on some pages it
says that on some pages it says like you
know it was a regular gunshot wound and
then the people that were at the scene
are are advised about the autopsy late
and they show up and all the part of the
mouth and neck the pallet all this stuff
is just taken out of Vince Foster so
they can't look at it and yeah, there's
a lot of weird stuff going on there. I
mean, I know I know, you know, the
specifics about the the death in in the
book and why people suspect something,
but it's pretty much a matter of record
that when police went into Vince
Foster's office after his body was
found, there was nothing in his
briefcase. And then somehow like 36, I
think hours later, the White House
claims there was a suicide note that
Vince Foster left. And it was apparently
Hillary Clinton's office that was
responsible for finding that suicide
note after this extensive delay. And the
only mention of uh Hillary Clinton in
that suicide note is related to this
White House Historical Association
fundraiser.

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BREAKING! Trump DESTROYED In New Epstein Files
Sabby Sabs
Premiered Jan 30, 2026



Transcript

We have breaking news, you guys. It appears the DOJ has released more Epstein files and Donald Trump is
implicated in the worst way. To make things crazier, he decided to then start
deleting this information. Literally, if you go there now and you click on the DOJ's link, the information is gone. But
luckily for us, there were people that captured screenshots of that information. And what I'm here to tell
you, ladies and gentlemen, is that it is very bad for Donald Trump. Let's go
ahead and get into it. Let's start with the clip of the DOJ. They sound very, very nervous during this part of the
conversation. Let's see what they're saying. Ladies and gentlemen, again, we have breaking news here, ladies and
gents. This is very damning for Donald Trump and his administration.
Some of the victims of Epstein have expressed frustration with the entire process. I want to give you the
opportunity to speak directly to them. Well, I don't I don't know what you're what you're speaking to. I mean, um, if
there's frustration with quote the entire process, uh, same here. I mean, you you have a situation where uh for
many many years, nobody even breathed the word about Jeffrey Epstein and then all of a sudden it was all anybody would
talk about um going into the LA last spring and summer culminating in the passage of the Transparency Act and
President Trump has said for years, what I think everybody will find to be exactly true. Um which is detailing his
relationship and lack thereof with Mr. Epstein and and what he thought about Mr. Epstein and and notwithstanding what
the department has been saying for a very long time now. Remember they are not showing you
what I'm going to show you. Remember they delete the information was released and immediately deleted but we got
screenshots. Okay. Also to this point that he makes that nobody was talking about Jeffrey Epstein. This is 100%
false. Whitney Webb has been talking about this for a long time. Journalists have been talking about it.
So, I find it very interesting. He's like, "Oh, all of a sudden people want to know about it." No, no, no. People
committed serious serious crimes and you guys tried to cover it up to protect your buddies and that is a problem.
Um, we're still where we are today. Listen, victims of of Mr. Epstein um have gone through um unspeakable pain
and and there's nobody that that that should say anything differently. and and I I to the extent that there's
frustration, um I I understand where that comes from just from what we know
about Mr. Epstein, um I hope that the work that that the men and women within
this department have done over the past two months um hopefully is able to bring
closure. Um I think that um what we what we told our reviewers is that that was
the goal. You know, there was there's this mantra out there that, oh, you know, the Department of Justice is
supposed to protect Donald J. Trump, and that's what we were telling. That's not true. That was never the case.
It was the case. And notice how nervous he sounds during this press conference.
It definitely was the case. But it wasn't just about protecting Donald Trump. It was about protecting some of these donors, the donor class, the
billionaires, uh, people that are very much in powerful positions. So, it's not just about protecting Trump, but yes,
they were trying to protect him. And when you see the information that was captured, I think you'll start to
understand why. We are always concerned about the
victims. When we said that we were not legally allowed to release documents, that's a fact. Um, that was true. It
remains true today. And then with the acts passage, we are able now and directed to release documents, which is
what we are doing. Um but but so hopefully hopefully some of those frustrations are now eased. Listen, we
any victim that wants to speak with the department has a has a has done so
hopefully. If not, they should. Um the the prosecutors from this case in New York have have given hundreds if not
thousands of hours to working with victims and and that's what we do every day and that's what we did in this case
as well. So very quickly, can you show So they have been running around the
country arresting everybody else. They've been going after protesters,
demonstrators, the little guys, the people who don't have the funds and the resources to get
out of this jam, except for uh someone like Don Lemon who was just arrested earlier today. Uh that's another story.
But the reality is most of the people that they've been cracking down on, they have this whole like tough on crime
mantra. most of the people they've been cracking down on are not people that are in a position financially where they can
get out of this situation and they have the resources uh to come out on the better side of this. In other words,
they're going after the 99%. They have not been trying to capture
those that are a part of that 0.01% or the 1%. They're avoiding people in
powerful positions. They have been running cover not just for Donald Trump but for all of the billionaire class,
the powerful people that were on that island. They have been doing it and honestly this has gone on for years.
It's not just this administration. It's every other administration that came before it that chose not to go down this
path. So the reality is they have been trying to fool people into making you
believe that they're tough on crime. Look at us. We're Look at us arrest this protester. Look at us arrest this
person, the little people, but not going after the head of the snake, not going
after people that run this global trafficking network because there is an
attachment there to Israel's MSAD. And that's really what it comes down to. He
said, you you know, we know about Jeffrey Epstein. The things that he did to the victims is horrible, but it's not
just Jeffrey Epstein. And he's still trying to gaslight the public by saying it's just Epstein. It's not just
Epstein. Epstein had clients and none of those clients have been arrested and Jeffrey Epstein is presumably dead that
we know of. Gelain Maxwell is trying to work out a deal for herself.
We'll go on a little bit more here. Sure. Can you assure the American public
that President Trump, like every other prominent person whose name came up in relation to the Epstein files, that all
documents, photos, and anything relevant to him connected to the case are being
released? I I mean, yes, I can assure that we complied with the statute. We complied with the act and there is no um
that we did not protect President Trump. We didn't protect or not protect anybody. I mean, I think that that we
that there's a a hunger or a thirst for information that I do not think will be satisfied by the review of these
documents. Um, and and there's it's not there's nothing I can do about that. But
yes, it will be because see again they deleted the information. Let's go to the
next part here. Um, because they forget the internet lives on. Uh, also on MS
Now they were talking about this as well. I just want to show you what corporate media was saying and then we're going to show you what we have.
Now, MS Now's Fallon Gallagher, Peter Baker, chief White House correspondent for the New York Times, and an MS Now
contributor, and Dave Arinberg, former state attorney for Palm Beach County. Fallon, let's start with you. What else
did we hear from Blanch? And I know we're still combing through this trove of documents.
Yeah, Ariel, we learned a significant amount of information during this press conference, but the biggest headline is
that the Department of Justice believes that they have met their obligation and that their work is complete under the
Epstein transparency act. That this new drop of 3 million documents is everything that they feel that they need
to deliver. Now, there is one caveat. They said that there could be a small amount of documents that we could get.
They are working with the Southern District of New York asking a judge to unseal the grand jury material related
to the 2019 investigation and eventual indictment against Galain Maxwell. But there are a number of headlines here.
The biggest thing is that Todd Blanch is saying that there is no super secret trunch of additional documents that this
is everything. They said that any um claims that the DOJ is working to
protect the president is not true. Uh we know that in this new trove of documents
which we are still reviewing um there are a number of them is that they they have decided to redact every single
woman. This is a departure from something that we saw in the first trove of documents. Um there were women who
were apparently not victims who were not redacted. They then um you'll remember there were some mistakes. They had to go
back and remove some documents because they needed to redact them because they were there were concerns that they were releasing identities of victims. So this
time they've decided to just redact everybody. And the one really notable thing there is that they are also
redacting men if it is if the men's presence in a photo or a video or anything otherwise makes it impossible
to redact the identity of the woman. And so there is a possibility that we could see some men redacted in this new drop.
Um, but we also know that uh Todd Blanch is saying that there are probably not
any new men who would be convicted of wrongdoing here and that if they do discover any, they would of course
prosecute them. But again, we are still going through these documents. Um, it is a very large volume of documents, 3
million. Um, this will take our team some time, but as soon as we have anything reportable, we'll bring it right to you, Ariel.
Yeah, let's go on a little bit more. Thanks so much, Fallon. and I know you'll stick around for that. Um, Lisa,
we now have our senior legal reporter, Lisa Rubin, with us. Uh, Lisa, you know, Blanch was adamant, as Fallon mentioned,
that the DOJ is not protecting uh, President Trump. I don't know if we have the sound that we can play there of him
talking about this. We have it.
Okay. In the meantime, it was uh, or not anybody. I mean, I think that
that we that there's a a hunger or a thirst for information that I do not
think will be satisfied by the review of these documents. So, essentially alluding to the fact
that no matter what's released at this point, it's not going to satiate those out there that just want to see names, they want to see photos, they want to
see all of this. What do you make of Blanch's comments spec specifically when it comes to the president and what we may or may not see here? I don't think
that's a fair comment and I'm going to try and be measured in my words, Ariel, because as I was discussing during our
last hour with Anna Cabrera, the very existence of the Epstein Files Transparency Act is a product of a
reversal by the Department of Justice. Trump came into office aligned with a whole movement of people that believed
that there was a massive conspiracy around Jeffrey Epstein and the suppression of evidence and information
about his sex trafficking ring. And they encouraged those voices. They told those voices that they would be listened to
and they promised that files related to Jeffrey Epstein would be released. And indeed, when they came into office, they
initiated a process of reviewing these documents. They brought in people from the FBI and people from the National
Security Division at the Department of Justice. We know this because multiple publications reported on this rampantly
throughout the spring. And then sometime in or around May, Deputy Attorney General Blanch and others told the
president about instances in which his name had come up and those of people close to him had come up. And somehow
that resulted in a memo unsigned in July of last year where the FBI and the
Department of Justice essentially told us there's nothing more to see here. We don't believe it's in the public interest for us to release anymore.
Somehow in Mr. Blanch's mind that's traum transmogrified into a we were legally not able to release anymore
until the Epstein files transparency act was put into place. That's also not
true. They did need judicial permission to release some small modum of what
we're going to see things that were grand jury materials or otherwise produced in discovery in the two criminal cases. But other than that,
this is a situation largely of this administration's own making and a miscalculation politically by them of
right. They were the ones that said that they were going to deliver the Epstein files. Now, to be fair, could the Biden
administration have also done this? Absolutely. But Joe Biden didn't say that he was going to do it. Donald Trump
and his administration said that they would. So, they really put their foot in their mouths with this one. And I don't
I don't know what Trump was thinking. I don't know if he just thought maybe, you know, his stuff would not be in there,
but it definitely is. It definitely is. And we're going to get to it now. So,
all hell has officially broken loose. And of course, like we're going to start
with one of the articles and then we'll go to the other screenshots because everything is not in one place. To make
a long story short, like I said, people took screenshots um because again, they deleted it. They deleted the information
as soon as they realized, I guess, that Trump was there. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump told them to take it down. Uh,
what are they going to do? Tell them no. So, listen to this. Epstein files.
Breaking news. Underage girl claims that Trump forced O sex.
This is bad. It's bad. Um, so brace yourself for this as we get into uh
these here. bombshell allegation. In the latest Epstein file document released, an underage girl claims that she was
forced to perform uh oral on Donald Trump approximately 35 years ago in New
Jersey. And here is uh a screenshot of that here. Again, they're going to be in
different places uh because people are taking different screenshots, but um this is the person's name redacted.
Blank reported an unidentifiable female friend who was forced to perform oral on
President Trump approximately 35 years ago in New Jersey. The friend told uh
Alexis that she was approximately 13 to 14 years old when this occurred and the
friend allegedly bit President Trump while performing the act. We're on
YouTube. I have to be PC about this. The friend was allegedly hit in the face after she laughed about biting President
Trump. The friend said she was also abused by Epstein. Response uh spoke
with caller who identified blank as friend. Lead was sent to Washington office to conduct interview. That's one
piece of it. We'll get to the other ones um in just a second. The document says
the feds forwarded the lead to the Washington office to conduct an interview. And I got to say this. So
that person was apparently 13 or 14 years old at the time. All of these
people that you have seen in the past couple of months try to normalize the
behavior sexualization of someone who is not
pre-adolescent. Um, this all just says a lot and I have
continued to push back on that and I told you guys that teenagers 15, 16 years old, their brains are not fully
developed and they do not have this ability to consent, especially to an adult. An adult has a a brain that is
fully developed. A teenager does not. They are underage for a reason. And there's reasons why we have certain laws
like this in place to protect them. this young girl was 13 to 14. So, you know,
as Megan Kelly was like, whoa, I mean, person was 15. It's not like they were like eight or anything like that. Nick
Fuentes also tried to make that argument. And I have been warning you guys time and time again. There are
certain actors in the sphere that are trying to normalize sexualization of
teenage girls. Allan Dersuitz wrote an article years ago saying that the age of
consent should be lowered. So everybody needs to pay close attention to what is
trying to be pushed here. I feel like this is really for those of you who are Christians for example, you know that
this isn't right and you have people who are Christian that are trying to normalize this behavior.
So, I would actually call that to be demonic, not Christian-like.
Let's go on a little bit more here, uh, in the article. Another allegation which
the feds deem not credible is from a female who claimed she was a victim and a witness to a sex trafficking rink at
Trump Golf Course in Rancho Palos Verdees, California between 1995 and
1996 involving big orgy parties with young girls, older Victoria Secret models and celebs like Trump, Bill
Clinton and Robin Leachch. Robin Leech is this guy. He used to host this show called the uh lifestyles of the rich and
famous for the younger people who are not aware. Um so interesting his name is
here but they said they're not sure about that one. The documents say the feds got a call from a female who
claimed to be a prisoner and they referenced Lisa Marie Presley. The British royal family Trump Jeffrey
Epstein. The feds say they were unable to contact the woman who lived in
Australia. And we all know that Virginia Gup Fray was also living in Australia.
It's interesting that Lisa Marie Presley's name was mentioned because we all know the story of Elvis. Elvis and
Priscilla. Priscilla was 14 years old when Elvis Presley started dating her.
So interesting that she was mentioned there. Uh let's go on a little bit more
here. Another allegation is from a woman who claimed she was 13 years old and pregnant in 1984 when she was forced to
perform oral acts. She told the feds she was sex trafficked by high-profile individuals and that Trump regularly
paid her money to force her to perform sexual acts. She also alleged Trump was
present when her uncle murdered her newborn child. The feds say they are
unable to contact the woman. Doesn't this sound similar to what was revealed
in that alleged audio from uh Sasha Riley?
Remember that we were talking about the Sasha story. One of the things that Sasha said is
that there was people who were killed allegedly.
goes on here. A different caller who the feds were unable to make contact with alleged a friend thought that she had
been assaulted by Trump in 1987 at the Trump Plaza. And as I said before, when
you look at these pictures, these people weren't just acquaintances. These people were friends and they were good friends
to each other, right? They were closer than they tried to um say that they
were. Here's another one that's really interesting is the calendar girl situation. Another caller who uh the
feds say did not leave contact info claimed that Trump had parties at Mara Lago called calendar girls where Epstein
would bring children and Trump would auction them off. The caller claimed Trump measured the girls
private areas. You can see that there um by penetrating them with his finger and
rating them based on tightness. The caller alleged the party guests,
including Elon Trump, Ivanka, Eric Trump, Alan Dersowitz, there is his name
again, and Bob Shapiro. The caller claimed she and others were
taken into rooms and forced to give oral to Trump. She alleged they were forced to allow them to um penetrate them. She
claimed she was 13 when Trump assaulted her and that Gelain Maxwell was present.
And we all know Gelain Maxwell has been trying to find a way um to lessen her
sentence. So, let's go on to some of these other screenshots here. U Midas Touch, a bunch of people are sharing them. Thank goodness they were able to
get these screenshots at that time. I just want to show you so you can see it yourself from the files.
Here's the story about the calendar girls. Donald Trump, the president, had parties at Mara Lago called Girls.
Jeffrey Epstein would bring them in. Trump would auction them allegedly. Um,
and we've read this part here about Yeah, we don't need to read that again. I just want to show you the actual uh
where these files exist. Um, you can also see here, here's the one about the 16 years old. At 16, while modeling,
caller attended eight parties at Epstein's New York residence. On one occasion, the caller reported she was
assaulted by Epstein. On another occasion, two twin brothers, Allan and Orin, lured the caller and her friend
upstairs, but they escaped back downstairs. Caller said that Orin uh
assaulted her best friend and a third brother, Tall, assaulted a 14-year-old
girl named Blank. The caller named other individuals involved in big orgy parties
with her and other young girls, Victoria's Secret models, including Bill Clinton and Donald Trump.
You see the second column here, it says notable names. So, they list the names here. Um, we talked about the Rancho
Palos Verdice one. That's the one they said they weren't sure about. And here's another one. Complaintant claims to have
video of high-profile sex party dealing with cartels, having witnessed Robin
Leachch strangle a young girl to death at a party. So again, allegedly Robin
Leech, the guy who hosts the lifestyles of the rich and famous. So again, we're starting to see some similarities with
what we heard from that alleged audio uh from Sasha, who was a a boy uh at that
point in time that said he was also trafficked in this ring.
It gets crazier. Um let's go on more. I am so sorry it's so tiny, you guys.
And I it doesn't let me make it bigger because it's on uh Twitter, but I'm going to do the best that I I can here.
Um just coming right about here.
Here's the one about Texas. Complaintant reported his ex-girlfriend blank were victims of Epstein and one was murdered.
There's another one that says someone was murdered while working as a limousine driver. The complaintant
recalled picking up Donald Trump in 1995 to take him to Dallas Fort Worth airport. During that ride, the
complaintant recalled some of the things Trump spoke about on his cell phone were very concerning and described being a
few seconds from pulling the limousine over on the median. It's the uh lane in
between lanes on the road. And within a few seconds of pulling him out of the car and hurting him due to some of the
things he was saying, the complaintant noted Trump repeatedly stated the name
Jeffrey while on the phone. One of the complaintants ex-girlfriends named blank
told the complaintant Trump assaulted her as did Epstein.
This is the part about uh Lisa Marie Presley which we got into that part. Um let's get to this one here. complaintant
following up after a call with NYPD officer regarding her previous tip, reporting that she was forced to perform
sex acts when she was 13 years old uh and pregnant in 1984.
Complaintant also reported there were high-profile individuals involved in sex trafficking in the murder and disposal
of her newborn daughter. This is one of the ones I told you guys about before. Uh complaintant reported Donald Trump
participated regularly in paying money to force her to perform sex acts with him and alleged Trump was present when
her uncle murdered her newborn child. So we know about that story um as well.
Here's uh another one. Caller was taken by boat to Epstein's island. Caller said
it was complicated and involved Jeffrey Epste and Gelain Maxwell. She said, um,
it says the caller became a school counselor and had a meeting with the school principal,
Linda Kits, and a police officer where the caller was informed there were
pictures of herself with Epstein. The caller reported the school was mad at
her for not being a Trump person and that the school wanted her to testify
and say things against Andrew Cuomo. The FBI and Donald Trump were on the phone
during the meeting. The caller believes the FBI has baby pictures of her with Epstein.
So all these names that are being mentioned, Andrew Cuomo, right? And here
you you see the school was basically wanting her to protect John Donald Trump. They wanted to protect him. You
see how they cover for the wealthy and the powerful. Here's another one. Caller reported that in 1987, a friend, victim
one, was out drinking and ended up at Trump Plaza. Victim one saw Donald Trump
and wanted to meet him. A unknown approached her and offered to introduce her to Trump. The unknown man gave
victim one a drink and victim one woke up naked and sore with $300 on the bed.
Victim one didn't remember how she got to the room. She remembered seeing a flash of Trump's face. Victim one called
the caller and told her she thought that she had been assaulted. Victim one did not go to
a hospital to have uh a kit performed because she didn't think anyone would
believe her, especially because she was drunk. And uh this is also uh not
uncommon. Um people who are victims of SA, the
majority are less likely to report it. Doesn't mean it didn't happen. Let's go
on here. Um, victim one uh husband husband's business
had problems with suppliers and victim one believed Trump was behind it. Victim one also started dating a lawyer
identifier unknown who was married. Victim one had a fight with her lawyer boyfriend and went to a bar. Victim one
left a bar with a man who uh no one in the bar recognized but who seemed
familiar with the victim. Victim one was never seen again. A few years ago, remains were discovered that matched the
description of what victim one was wearing when she went missing. DNA tests at the time were
inconclusive. Uh it's getting really bad. Um it's not just Trump that's
named. There's something else dropped now about Bill Gates. Bill Gates was
allegedly asking Jeffrey Epstein for antibiotics to secretly give to his wife Melinda Gates to add insult to injury.
You them implore me to please delete the emails regarding your STD. Your request
that I provide you antibiotics that you can serendipously give to Melinda and
the description of your genitals. You also made it clear to me that I am not
to refer to blank as that is another topic that must remain between the two
of us. And you can see that highlighted here. Email, it says it's from Jeffrey Epstein right up here uh at the top.
Subject Bill. Um and you can see that's the text that I just read you. That's
highlighted um right there. So, Bill Gates also implicated uh in this.
However, what I thought was interesting, what Katon said here, he said, "Love how MAGA
is pretending Bill Gates antibiotic story is a bigger uh Epstein revelation
than dead sex slaves buried under Trump's golf course." This is another one. Complaintant reported participating
in orgies and that some girls went missing. Rumored to have been murdered or buried at the facility. complaintant
reported being threatened by Trump's then head of security that if she ever talked of what went on there or who she
who she saw, he would end up as fertilizer for the back nine holes like
the other see you next Tuesdays.
The audio from that was allegedly from Sasha doesn't sound too crazy now, does
it? And like I said, they went to delete
them, right? So when it was announced again, we all clicked on the link and all of a
sudden it was gone. The Justice Department has deleted these files which had various allegations against Trump,
including sexual assault and trafficking. A cover up is underway.
So,
we have continued to say on this show
and others have said it as well that Donald Trump was covering either for him
friends, his friends, himself or both. And as more information is revealed, you
get to see that Donald Trump's hands are not clean. Now, if Donald Trump would
have said, "Just release everything." And if he didn't make the statement and say, "There's nothing to see here. Just
let it go. It's a Democrat hoax." Then you might be able to feel you can say, "Okay, well, he wasn't trying to
cover up the information." But because he came out with these statements that it was a Democrat hoax,
because he then later said, "There's nothing to see here. Just let it go and
let's move on." You can't say he wasn't trying to cover
it up. No, he's not the only one, of course,
that is named, but he's the president of the United States
and he's named multiple times. Too many incidents. These are just the
ones that people were able to grab screenshots of rather quickly before it was deleted.
So you pay attention to all the chaos that
has been happening with this administration back to back to back. Right now they're
just itching to attach attack Iran, right? One thing after another. All the
craziness with ICE escalating foreign policy disasters,
whether it's Venezuela, whether it's the boats in the Caribbean. Look here. Look there. Look everywhere.
It's a boat. It's a plane. No, it's not Superman. It's Donald Trump and Epstein
files. So, now that this has been released and
it's announced out there, pay close attention to Iran.
He's probably going to attack sometime soon. Donald Trump has been trying to get you to turn your head at every turn.
And I always said, and I continue to say, don't forget about the Epstein Files.
So, Donald Trump told Marjorie Taylor Green that uh his friends could get
hurt, but I even said back then, he's probably
talking about himself, too. This is not good. Regardless of how you
feel about the situation, all these different stories that are being reported is not good. Now, people say,
"Well, the Epstein victims who came forward said that Trump did nothing wrong." This is true. Those are the ones
who came forward. Those are the ones that were at the press conference with Marjorie Taylor Green and Roana and
Thomas Massie. Those aren't all the victims.
Think about that. Virginia Duprey is dead.
Her book tells a lot. You should read it.
How it implicates prime ministers, former prime ministers like Ud Barack.
The reality is these files get back to Israel. Epstein was MSAD. He was just
basically a spy and he gathered a lot of blackmail on powerful people.
And I believe that MSAD, Epstein, Israel all together has been blackmailing
people in this country and other countries for quite some time.
So that's the breaking story. Uh, ladies and gentlemen, was not expected to do a video today, but I said no. I have got
to cover that cuz I was like, you know what? I got time. And this is not good. This is not good.
He keeps trying to run away from this. And the reality is, if they wouldn't have backpedalled, if Donald Trump
wouldn't have said, "It's just a hoax. Don't listen to it. Things could have been differently." Don't know. I mean, he's still in there.
But people tend to think if you have nothing to hide, you're not going to try to cover something up.
But if you do have something to hide, you will. All hell breaks loose. Hey guys, this
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