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Patrick Henningsen: Iran Strikes US Bases in Jordan – Retaliation Begins & Talks DEAD
by Nima Alkhorshid
Dialogue Works
Jun 10, 2026



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Hi everybody. Today is Wednesday, June 10th, 2026 and our dear friend, our brother Patrick Henningson is here with us. Welcome back, Patrick.
Pleasure to be with you, Nema. Thank you very much.
Patrick, we had a confrontation between Iran and Israel after Israel attacking DHI in southern part of Lebanon. Iran
attacked Israel. Then the is Iran the Iranian attack was basically focused on the northern part of Israel. Then the
Israeli attack on Iran and from what I've learned from Israeli attack on Iran, it wasn't it wasn't a
big deal. They didn't hit the targets or those targets were not that significant for in the eyes of Iranians.
And then Iranian response to what Israel did it was they were hitting bases
Israelis from you know what the Israelis were telling us that they intercepted everything no damage nothing has
happened then the footages came out it showed that you know Raat David air base
was hit today Israel accepted that after releasing those footages coming out and say we are investigating
you know, the whole case of this missiles hitting the air base, but they said no casualties, no damage so far, but this the investigation is going on.
Then suddenly yesterday, Donald Trump came out and said that there was an a a
an Apache helicopter in the Persian Gulf patrolling the straight of Hormuz. It was shot. It was hit by something.
Iranian hit the helicopter. Then two pilots are alive. They're safe,
uninjured. Nothing has happened to the pilots. Which was so amazing to hear that.
And he said he's going to respond later on. He said no, that wasn't a big deal.
We may not respond. And then CBS News in his interview with CBS later after the
comment that it wasn't a big deal, he said that we may respond to that. So our understanding was that he's going to respond. It's going to be a limited
response on the part of the United States. They attacked last night. They attacked Sirk Island, Kesh Island, and
the port of Jos. They hit the targets. A telecommunication
tower was hit in Surirk. Two water tanks were hit. Then we had Iranian response
to what is what the United States did and the attack was on Bahrain, Kuwait and Jordan.
So Iranians said that they hit 21 targets
or they targeted 21 you know important you know locations in the with the case
of the American air bases or the sensitive areas in Kuwait and Bahin and Jordan.
That's all that's the whole case of what has happened so far today. Donald Trump said that he's gonna basically what he's
talking about he says Iran's military is a complete and total mess much of it
like their navy and air air force doesn't even exist anymore they have been completely defeated Iran is all
talk and no action the bully of the Middle East is dead they have taken too long to negotiate a
deal that would have been great for them. Now they will have to pay the
4 minutesprice. It means that my understanding is that there is no point of negotiating with the United States anymore. So what
is your understanding? What has happened and what what do you make of what Donald Trump is talking about?
The thing is Nema uh that's what he's saying today or this morning Washington time. It might be something completely
different by the time he goes to bed tonight and then something different alto together uh tomorrow morning. So, I can't really put any currency. They're
going to have to pay the ultimate price and you could see him in an interview later tomorrow or something saying, "Well, I think we can uh meet with the
Supreme Leader. He seems like a nice guy. Seems like a good strong young man.
You know, good. He'll give all of this back and forth." and his Donald Trump's uh advocates say, "This is what we love
about this president. He's so unpredictable. He's not like those other presidents, those other weak leaders like Biden uh who was so predictable.
Trump is unpredictable and that's what makes his enemies afraid of him because they don't know what he's going to do next." Well, I got a news flash for you.
Donald Trump doesn't know what he's going to do next either. So that's that's the part that's not in Sunzu's
art of war, which is uh you're if you don't know what you're doing, your enemy doesn't either. And that's the problem
here. And this is there is no strategy from the US right now. They back themselves so deeply into these
positions. A lot of them are based on false assumptions, premises, propaganda, and just outright lies. and they spend a
lot of time managing the information space as you know there's also the profitering on the back of the uh the
the oil and the stock markets that's been going continuously with this administration. So, uh, first of all, I'm going to have to say I I'm not
convinced. I see conflicting reports on whether Iran actually shot down, uh, the
the this Blackhawk helicopter. Uh, the the US or CNN reported that it was a a Shahi drone that hit. I know Shahi
drones don't travel that fast. So, how it hit a Blackhawk helicopter, I I'm not sure. Um some Iranian sources have said
that um they believe the helicopter crashed and wasn't necessarily hit. Now that does happen a lot and with the
amount of aerosortis and missions you're flying the the odds are that they're going to be uh malfunctions and and
there's going to crash. Not to mention uh in terms of maintenance and staging and things like that uh any Blackhawk
helicopter in Straight of Hormuz is out of area quite frankly and they're they're already stretching. So there's questions around what this is. One thing
I can say, if I believe that it crashed rather than was shot down, that means it's a false flag by definition. Because
if it crashed and then they're using it to claim it was shot down and then using that as a pretext for escalation, that
by definition is a false flag. The United States using their own military assets and and crashing or whatever. Um
it should in in no way is it proportional response by the US. They they claim that the pilots were rescued.
Now were the pilots rescued or not? We don't know. Are they ever going to be named? Probably not. Like like like the
uh uh Isvahan failed raid to to grab the nuclear dust. Uh where's Private Ryan?
Private Ryan doesn't have a name still.
He should be a should be a hero. It should be a Hollywood uh blockbuster film about his daring rescue, you know, the daring rescue of this this airman in
in Iran. So what what can we believe from the US? Nothing. Nothing. It doesn't make any sense at all. Uh and
8 minuteseven if it even if it was true, uh the straight of Hormuse is not an area to patrol. It's not it's it's not
international waters. that is Omani and Iranian territory. Full stop. The US has no business and no right to be uh you
know flying Blackhawk helicopters around uh enforcing a naval blockade there. And they're already using US aircraft uh to
fire at empty tankers, ships they claim are sanctioned. Um this is just outright piracy and just kind of uh international
racketeering. That's the best way to describe what they're doing.
So they're they're they're caught in this situation that they absolutely can't back out of and it's there's only going
to be more and more triggers for escalation. So you could just have this longunning relatively low intensity
conflict um to save face to be involved not to get things too escalating with Iran but just enough to justify a US
presence and give time for the rearmament of Israel and the US of what what positions they do have left in the
region. So that's one way of looking at it. The other way is um if if there is a
massive escalation which like if you took Trump's word of what the threat he issued just recently that Iran's going
to pay the price. Well, how long can the US sustain a major barrage at Iran?
Two weeks max. Two weeks max. And what's what's the retaliation going to be from Iran? It's going to be massive. It's
going to be massive. And I if for instance, I'll give you an example, Nema, reports suggest that Israeli F-35s
uh received air-to-air refueling support over Saudi Arabian airspace.
If that's true, and it looks to me like it is, um then, you know, Saudi bases then become fair game. But guess what
else becomes fair game? uh Saudi allowed Israel to use and the US to use its airspace to fly and then through Iraq
and then to to attack Iran. That means Bengurian airport, Bengurian airport, which is used to house all of the US uh
uh air-to-air refueling tankers, 60 plus aircraft of that that type, I'm led to believe based on the photographs and
what people reported. Then Bengarian Airport becomes at the top of the target bank list. Now,
what's that's I I just can't see why you how you could get out of this conundrum
if you're the US or Israel because Israelis who are desperate to flee during time of war, if that airport
is wiped out or rendered inoperable, uh it's already de facto. Hundreds of flights have been cancelled because
there's no room on the tarmac for for passenger any more passenger airlines because they're full of US military aircraft.
Imagine if Bengurian airport comes under stri Iranian missile strikes a sustained
uh Yemen and Iranian missile strikes and Hezbollah drone attacks. Then what what what are the people of Israel going to
do? They're going to beg the world to send boats to Hifa and they're going to like evacuate them to Cyprus and Albania
so they could stay on maybe put some put build some settlements on Kushner's Island. Um but that's not going to
happen. So I I just don't think I I can't see this as sustainable. None of
this is sustainable. Um so yeah, it's it's hard. It's hard. I know you want people want to hear an answer of, you
know, what do you think Trump's going to do, but he just flip-flops constantly, so it's impossible to say what his position is at any given moment. I'm
just looking at the the math on what each side has in position, what munitions and military assets it can
expend, and Iran has the advantage in the balance of force in the region. by nature their missile and drone fleets
and by nature the fact that they effectively control the straight of for moose and the US blockade is just a nuisance and it's not impervious either
as a blockade uh ships are getting through it can continue to you know fire at commercial ships using the US
military to to destroy unarmed ships it's for the US that's kind of embarrassing but that is that the best
use of the world's most powerful military in the history of Earth, which the US is constantly touting every 5
minutes, and all you can do is blow up uh empty boats cuz that seems like the majority of the activity of the US
military. That's kind of ridiculous embarrassment at the moment, but and again, that's not sustainable either.
So, they can they can only run this blockade, this this sort of sham of a blockade for not much longer, actually.
not much longer. And it's it's not really effective either. There's all sorts of workarounds that have already been uh charted around it either via sea
or overland or along the Iranian southern coast. So, it's it's not really it's it's it's something as a political
showpiece for Trump back at home. Uh but besides that, very little in terms of utility.
My understanding, Patrick, is that the response of the the attack of the United States is was a response to what Iran
did against Israel. The latest round round of attack Iranian attack on Israel because Israel has shown no capabilities
with their offensive with their offensive attack on Iran. You know, the country doesn't have the capabilities when it comes to the offensive when it
comes to their defensive air defense system. So for those people who are arguing that Israel without the United
States is going to be able to do anything in in the West Asia, I think that's delusional. That's totally delusional. And that's why they're not
going to let the United States to leave the region for what that's the ultimate goal. There is no way for the United States to get out of the region. I I
don't see that happening with the Trump administration and these people, these ultra Zionists in the United States.
They're going to stay there in Jordan, maybe in in Israel, in Diego Garcia, in Greece, and they're going to manage something there to stay there.
Well, they won't leave. They won't leave voluntarily, but they could leave by force and that's that's definitely a distinct possibility.
What form that takes and along what timeline, that's another question altogether. But if you look at I mean
the fact that they're using Bengurian airport a civilian airport as their main air staging ground in West Asia that is
just a level of desperation that's hard to comprehend quite frankly but that's kind of what they're left with and the
reason they're left with that is because Iran has done something that maybe a lot of people didn't expect which is that
they treated all the GCC countries as co-elligerent when this confict this round of uh shooting began and by doing
that they basically rendered the US geostrategic military footprint in the
region uh pretty pretty much useless. Um so it and they managed to put pressure on all of the US allies for
participating in this and then the de the economic damage and deprivation that's come as a result to Qatar, the
UAE, uh Kuwait, Bahrain, uh and Saudi Arabia is significant and it has worked.
It has worked. hasn't completely deterred um the US, certainly not Israel, but it's it's severely hamper hampered the United States to the point
where they have very limited options when striking Iran. Very limited options. Now, uh they've played out all
these hands. Iran has been hammering uh uh uh covert facilities in Iraqi Kurdistan in the KRG. Hammering them.
That's huge. That's huge because that's that's been the real ace card that the US and Israel have held since the
beginning of of this fighting. And so that and dismantling a lot of the uh US and intelligence
and spy networks and collaborators and agent provocators uh within Iran. So
definitely the tide uh has turned. U Iran has the upper hand. There's there's no doubt about that. Uh ge
geopolitically, militarily, and also economically, there's very little the US can do in terms of sanctioning to hurt
or or damage Iran that hasn't already been done already. And all they're doing anyway is forcing uh pe more people out
of the dollar in in Asia as a whole and globally as well. Um and also just
really fasttracking China's Belt and Road network and uh other sort of overland solutions. I mean they can they
can arm the Beluchcci terrorist separatist groups and you know uh get them to carry out terrorist attacks in
the Pakistani port of uh Guadar and do all of these things to disrupt and to
sabotage uh China's belt and road economic network which is land sea uh
and you know rail road land and sea combined network economic network of trade and distribution and supplies and
things like that. You can keep doing that, but there's only so much you can uh you can only go so far with this uh
the US strategy. All they have left is sabotage is disruption and sabotage. That's all they have left. They are absolutely
accelerating it. And the more other countries get cut off from that network, i.e. US allies or Arabs under
normalization policies. Um it's it's going to restrict their economic opportunities as well. So it's not going to be good for them uh economically much
in the same way that Europe has kind of strangled itself off uh by sanctioning Russia and it's kind of destroyed it
suicided its own uh economy uh by doing that. So that's the these things are not going in the favor of of the United
States. What the US is has tried to do, which Iran is also broken. The US has tried so hard as Israel has to
compartmentalize this conflict in Gaza into Lebanon and with with Iran and
saying that, "Oh, well, this is uh this is between the US and Iran." No, it's not. It's the US, Israel, and Iran. And
the US is always trying to portray itself as a neutral broker on this. They started the war. They're backing Israel.
They're arming Israel. They're providing every sub level of support to them militarily and then pretending that they're, you know, it playing referee in
the middle. And nobody believes it anymore. But they they have to do that because Israel relies on that compartmentalization.
While the US is fighting Iran, they're going and, you know, destroying and massacring people in South Lebanon and
massacring Palestinians in Gaza. and they need the world to to see these as separate conflicts. This is a really
important part of the Israeli deception of how they deceive the world in their sort of disingenuous framing. And what
Iran is saying is no, the source of all hostility, all death, all destruction in
the region is Israel. It's the Zionist entity.
And we have proof because as soon as Iran fired missiles this the last few days at Israel, what did Israel go do?
The first thing they did was shut off aid to the people in Gaza. First thing they did. So there Israel saying, "We're going to punish the Palestinians for
what the Iranians have done and by daring by having the nerve to fire missiles at us. We're going to punish those Palestinians and we're going to
use the Palestinians as leverage against the Iranians. That's exactly what Israel is doing. And then so there's there's
evidence there. So Iran h doesn't have to make a case. Israel has demonstrated
that it's using the people of Lebanon and the people of Gaza as leverage
as leverage against Iran. And so by extension, the US by allowing the compartmentalization is also allowing
Israel to do that. So Iran's put their drawn the red line said you you you bomb Beirut, we're going to you know there's
no there's no there are there's no ceasefire. We're going to hit uh targets in Israel and hit them hard and we're going to hit US bases. And they did. So
Iran's drawing the red lines now. And the US and Israel have to react or not react, whatever the case may be. But so
now Iran is setting the pace. That's what changed this week. Iran is now leading the pace of action reaction.
That's a big difference from where it was before. They achieve this by uh being patient during this lull in
hostilities and then coming out with a very clear strategic doctrine and policy and
drawing red lines and only and I will argue this Nema in international relations it's my belief through the
literature and through my studies and through what many other great scholars have have intimated which is that in the
international system. The system bends in favor of normative powers over time.
Rogue states, it the system does not bend in favor of rogue states can create problems temporarily, but in the long
run, they're going to be overtaken by other normative powers who are bandwagoning together and stability will
be achieved through those normative forces.
Um, Iran is is acting like a normative power. more and more and more. Only a normative power can draw a moral red
line. Weaker states can't do that. They they they can they can't enforce it either. Iran has drawn it and is
enforcing it. That is you could argue that's what superpowers are able to do.
But at the very least a mid-tier regional power and a normative actor in the international system. So other
normative actors, China, uh Russia, uh European countries,
European countries have to recognize this course of actions and reactions because they themselves abide by the
same rules in the international system or they have to the US doesn't have to abide by international law norms or
anything like that. it can take take it and leave it as it suits it because it's it's established itself as a as a global hedgeimon. And Israel's allied and
tethered to the US. So it also does not have to abide by any human rights conventions, any international law, any norms whatsoever. And they don't. And
they've proven they don't. But the the the that's the uh the irony of the international system is while the top
power doesn't need to uh play by the rules, the rest of the system must come together and have to even if they
don't believe in the international law, don't believe the US will ever abide by it or their ally Israel or Britain for instance, um when they're allied with
the US doing these very same activities, um the rest of the world must because if they don't there'll be total chaos in the international system and more
countries will lose uh as a result of that should uh hostilities uh carine out
of control. Um so so Iran's now stepped into that position and let me tell you
many people could not have predicted that 3 months ago and it's happening. It's it's incredible how it's happened and it's been very
ubtle, but as long as they stick and what I'll say, Nemo, last thing on this, if Iran sticks to its principles and
does not budge and includes Lebanon in any ceasefire packages and does not budge, do not give any ground
whatsoever, the longer they maintain this position, the other normative powers in the international system will see that
that's more bankable. it's more predictable. You can invest in that, right? They're they're eventually going to blame Israel as the source of the
instability and and probably by the United States as well ultimately um which many already
are. But it will become very clear. So then that opens the door for other countries to then take action either through sanctioning uh diplomatic
pressure and all Iran has to do is maintain its position, its policy. don't budge, maintain their red line, enforce
the red line, and all of a sudden all the things is if if Iran is immovable on these conditions, then other countries
will have to conform to that. And you look at what's happening already. Look at the fighting between Israel and the US politically. There are some, you
know, serious ma shouting matches and insults going back and forth in the US, the Zionist camp against Trump, uh, the
US against Israel, Israel against the US. That's all because of Iran.
That's because Iran drew this red line. That is the cause of that infighting. So Iran's already
created political friction between its two enemies who are supposed to be the best of allies and that's as a result of what
they have done. They could have not done it that way. They could have kept it compartmentalized. Say we don't want to worry about Lebanon. It's going to
complicate our our situation here. Let's just focus on Iran and the US or whatever our security and don't worry
about Israel and don't speak about Palestine. That's what most countries would do.
But a superpower or a regional power can do more than that. And Iran is doing just that. And look at the results. They
can sit back and watch watch their enemies start sniping at each other, arguing with each other of what to do,
what not to do. Look at Lebanon. I mean, Nema, did you see the interview with Christian Amen and Joseph Ayun, the Lebanese president just a few days ago?
Did you see how strident and how uh Aun was just slagging off the Iranians and Hezbollah, wagging his finger and
saying, "You can't interfere in our affairs and whatnot." But guess what? What's he been saying in
the last ? Oh, Israel cannot have total security and warfare is not a solution. Before he was saying, "We want
good relations with Israel. Please, Israelis, please. you know, bomb us all you want, but you know, we we're not
going to do anything against you. You know, we're going to be good a good little uh neighbor, but the problem is Hezbollah and those Iranians blaming
everything Israel is doing on Hezbollah and Iran. He's now flipped. The reason he's flipped because the pressure the pressure is accumulating on on him as a
puppet, as a proxy of Washington, of Riad and Tel Aviv.
He's feeling the pressure because of this. And that's because of what Iran has done. Not not necessarily because of
Hezbollah's resistance and steadfastness. That's been a constant, but because Iran stepped up as a
regional power and has dropped the line and dro and and enforced it. That is look look. It's just amazing. I'm
watching all the shifts in position after this week. To me, it's incredible.
Yeah. I think when he says Donald Trump says all talk, no action, it reminds me what he was talking about during the presidential election against Joe Biden.
He's really feeling that he's running the show is, you know, the enemy somehow is the rival. But this is not the rival.
This is totally different. They have done each and everything that they told us before this war started. They said we're going to close the straight off
for Moses. They did. They said they're going to hit each and every base in the region, American bases in the region.
They did that. You know, what you just mentioned I think is so important. This is the first time to to understand how
significant is this shift in the Iranian strategy in the region. This is the first time Iran attacking Israel without being attacked by Israeli government.
Exactly.
That's the whole point of what has happened so far. And nobody seems to believe that in Israel. There's so much shock with the reality of what's going on.
Who who who acts first sets the pace of actions and reactions.
And the US always acts first. They always do preemptive strikes and they knew that strategically they're able to
then control and to ma mod modulate the escalation um uh ladder as it were and and and what their opponents might or might not do.
and Iran waited waited waited and waited and and while
they're waiting the political situation's deteriorating in America for Trump and in Israel for Netanyahu
and um it it's also created this whole situation this week has created loads of new problems politically inside Israel
with uh with the Netanyahu regime. Okay, it might not be significant. And it's not going to change the you know
ambitions of the Zionist state but it's it's going to basically I think create a lot of indecision and delays
uh and and a lot of people will then question even in the military will begin to question u whether this is
sustainable or not whether we can fight uh a fivef frontont war whether that's sustainable or not um they have all
sorts of structural problems in Israel as a result of Same with the United States. Military militarily the US has huge structural problems in the region
now. They can't they can't maintain total deterrence. They can't defend Israel anymore. They can't. It's not
happening. So that this is just going to transform. So if it's a war of attrition, you have to favor the Iranians in a war of attrition. And this
is ultimately going to be a war of attrition. It is a war of attrition.
it's going to f and it'll probably uh by the same token if Hezbollah sticks to their guns and doesn't waver from their
position and doesn't uh do anything. I think I think it would be a huge mistake to go into any disarmament talks with
the Lebanese government because we all see what happens as soon as you disarm you get wiped out. Uh and the Israelis would go completely all out if there
wasn't if they didn't have any resistance in South Lebanon. they would very quickly annex uh 1/5if of Lebanese territory without a
doubt and that would be the end of that and then they put a buffer zone over the Latani River as well. So I mean that's just certain that's going to happen and
that's what a lot of people in Israel are calling for now. They they view that like they view the golden heights like they view Mount Herman. They view South
Lebanon as theirs, theirs in terms of uh uh their their sec zone of security
interest, but also theirs in terms of biblical, you know, birthright. They they believe that that's part of the
kingdom of Israel promised to them 3,000 years ago, and they're going to take it.
And this is a golden opportunity. the the hard right, the ethnationalist uh quasi Nazi right in uh in Israel, they
they see this as their golden opportunity to realize uh the the first steps in a greater Israel project
and they feel that if they don't take advantage of this now that they won't get this opportunity again because they're never going to have a pro-Israeli uh administration in
Washington. This is it. Donald Trump is the last harrah for the Zionist state in America. I'm telling you right now, it's
it after what they've done. So, they didn't get they didn't win the the lottery uh in 3 weeks like they claimed
or thought they would uh with regards to breaking Iran and gaining regime change into Iran. And now they're stuck with
this uh incredible situation and there's no way out. the only way out is to cut your losses. And the US classic late stage empire, uh they they just can't.
The collective ego of the empire, they can't transition out of this position they've gotten themselves into. They
can't do it gracefully. I would even argue that they can't do it as gracefully as in the
British if by comparison the way it's going for the US the the British did did it much more gracefully than the US have
done but the the Britain had actual material commonwealth that comprised of you know 25% of the world's you know inhabitable
land or something like that. So, I mean, but the US doesn't have the Commonwealth
officially, but they their empire is global and it's and it's total in terms of military and economic enforcement.
And I I just it's it's going to be very hard for them to to to to admit defeat
um especially w with with Israel, how tightly wound they are with with Israel politically in the US and internationally. So, it's just going to mean they're going to have to bleed out.
The US is going to bleed out economically in the very same way that I believe that Europe is bleeding out economically by sticking to their old
colonial uh machinations and visions of grandeur of old Europe that they're destroying their own economy and viability of
future industries and so forth in order to stick it to the Russians uh over Ukraine. So to the point where
life will be unaffordable in Europe because of uh ridiculous energy prices and uh the fact that all the governments are uh putting all their money and
piling up debt to rearm Europe uh against a Russian menace that wouldn't be there quite frankly if the United
States didn't create the Russian menace by uh by fermenting a civil war uh in Ukraine. So it's the same problem in the
Middle East. the the US is going to have to bleed out and so is the so are the other the Gulf monarchies quite frankly
and what's left at the end what will happen to Israel who knows uh what what shape that situation's going to take but
u I guess the thing that we're all concerned about Nema is that what could happen on the way down how much damage could happen on the way down is Israel
also kicks and screams all the way to the exit of history um in terms of the viability of their political, you know,
ethnationalist uh Jewish nationalist project in Israel, the Zionist project.
How much damage can they do to the region and to themselves and to their neighbors uh as they're kicking and screaming all the way to the to the exit door of history? Who knows?
I think what you've just mentioned about Ukraine is the key issue in Lebanon as well, the civil war, and they're trying
to do that by using the Lebanese government because if you're not if you're not capable to defeat Hezbollah
in the southern part of Lebanon, then you have to bomb Beirut. If Iran comes in and he says that if you attack Beirut, we're going to attack you. Then
the third option would be you know using the government in Lebanon to make some sort of civil war because the whole
concept Patrick is to you know to put pressure on Hezbollah to be more focused
on domestic issues than fighting Israelis. Yes.

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This is what they're trying to do. And that that interview that you've mentioned about own the president of
Lebanon on CNN that didn't last you know that didn't age well for own because right after that Israelis attacked an
army you know a general major general commander of of Lebanese army in his vehicle
together with another commander and a soldier. They killed all of them in that attack. That was the end. And then the
president of Lebanon didn't have anything to do. He didn't know what to say about it.
Well, he's shifted. He's he he's since he's he's shifting now. And you know, listen, if if Lebanon had solidarity
among the sectarian factions and weren't so slavishly pro- US and pro-Saudi, the problem is
Lebanon is uh the structural corruption in that country is is tragic. and by
keeping it in a state of crisis for 50 years. Okay, Lebanon's been in a state of crisis for 50 years. It's a very
small country. It doesn't have a manufacturing base. It's got some agricultural uh base, but bes and they had finance in
Beirut, but that's that's all gone pretty much. They've destroyed the economy and the banking sector there.
They also had trading and shipping. uh and they had but in the last couple of decades they're just surviving off of
Gulf money either the injection of Saudi or uh uh Emirati or other money coming into Beirut to build high-rise
apartments so that Saudis can you know have some fun on the week on the weekends they come they come to Lebanon
and have uh you know MUA marriages with you know sign up a wife for two weeks and then divorce her by July and then go
back to Saudi. Um that they're relying on the laress of the Gulf and the the mentality it's created Stockholm syndrome for the Lebanese government.
Very dysfunctional. They're stuck to this confessionalist system that's based on a 1958 census that doesn't reflect
the actual demographics. So Lebanon, if it did, then the Shiite uh the president would be Shiite. Okay? and Joseph Aayun
would be the speaker of the parliament and probably the Sunni would remain prime minister. But so so what happens
when you you uh you you create the whole economy is on a short-term knife edge uh
everyone's an opportunist. You tend to clump together with your sectarian uh compartments in the country. It's
families and sectarian identity and there's only people you trust or do business with. And then that makes it very easy for the Saudis and the the
Americans to go and and and sort of pick people off and separate them and give money to some and not money to others
and to really corrupt to make people very self-interested, very tribal. And that's what they've done uh in Lebanon.
Saudi does it mainly with money. Okay.
Uh the United States does it with with money uh developmental contracts, loans.
The IMF also is part of that US uh influence operation uh in Lebanon. And then the U through the UN uh the number
one employer in Lebanon, one of the number one employers are foreign NOS's. There's thousands of NOS's in Lebanon.
So in terms of the educated class, college graduates, uh NOS's are one of the biggest employers in the country.
And then they'll they'll poach all the best ones to uh to to work in Europe or or New York for McKenzie or whatever
these uh US consultancy firms. And then they'll just they'll buy off the uh other people, Marionite Christians with
US passports for their kids. The kids, the parents, the kids not born in the US, but they've all got US passports.
That's part of the influence operation.
And for the Shiite community in Lebanon, nothing. No money, no funding, no US passports. You get nothing. You get
nothing but threats and accusations that you're all terrorists and that you are the reason why Lebanon is not performing
economically. And they managed to engineer this type of atmosphere in Lebanon. And that's that's how the US is
able to get in and just nearly start a civil war under this president. They're really pushing they're really pushing the Lebanese hard with incentives,
coercion, threats, and bribes. Uh, and the Saudis are part of this as well to to to say that you need to disarm
Hezbollah. Well, look, this is exactly the same playbook as the Lebanese civil war from 1978
uh to the 90s was that Israel used the Palestinian, the PLO
uh to create division in Lebanon to get every possible group fighting each other, pull in Syria into the equation because effectively that's what it was.
It was a it was a war uh against Israel.
it became a war of really Syria versus Israel or Israel and US interests versus Syria and and and also Shiite uh uh
43 minutesfactions in Lebanon. But they they've done the same thing here because as you rightly pointed out Nema, just a few minutes ago, if they can make Hezbollah
embroiled in domestic issues, Israel has full cart blanch to do and take what it
wants in South Lebanon, including gas deposits off the coast of southern Lebanon. So, so that's been the goal of
the US and Israel throughout all of these conflicts in Lebanon was to have the country completely embroiled in in
civil war, civil strife, infighting. And by doing that, they can then control it and then also take whatever land or resources that they need conveniently.
And and you know when they I'll say this as well you know when all those factions disarmed from the civil war in 199192
there was a massive disarmament. Now that that that was like one of the beginnings of the end of the longunning Lebanese civil war which was devastating
for that country economically and socially and everything else drove a drove a lot of people out of the country. Lebanese went to Australia,
Mexico, Brazil, the United States, Europe. they, you know, all into into the Gulf to, you know, as well, but
emptied out the country of their best and brightest. And they said, "You all have to disarm all the Christian militias, Lebanese forces, all these
other different uh factions, uh, Muslim factions as well. Only one faction was allowed to keep its arms in 1992. Guess which faction that was? Hezbollah. Why?
because they needed somebody to defend the southern border because the Lebanese army couldn't do it because the Lebanese
army is not allowed to do it. Lebanese army is not allowed. The US polices
every single piece of equipment that gets procured from the Lebanese army.
They're not allowed to have any air force, any air defense, anything like that. They're not they're forbidden. Not explicitly, but that's a US policy.
That's the power of the Israel lobby.
The Israel lobby exists in America to micromanage the what the US does to its
neighbors. So this is a way of Israel controlling Lebanon without having to be in Lebanon. They do it through the US as
their proxy. And and Israel is very clever. They know that there's certain things that cannot be shipped to the Lebanese army. anything that they can
use to defend its airspace or its border. They want it just to be down to Hezbollah because then they could then label them as terrorists as we spoke
about previously and get the US and their allies to do the same and all of a sudden it's a war on terror. It's not
it's not it's not it's not a war of aggression by Israel against their neighbor Lebanon. Uh it's it's not a
parttheid in Palestine. No, no, it's a war on terror. That's how they frame it and they want to keep it in that frame.
The US and Israel want to maintain that frame and not allow it to be framed as what it is. And Iran has said, "No, no, no.
We're reframing it. We're going to bypass everything that you've constructed, all the fake edifice, the fake framing of Middle Eastern uh affairs and groups and and conflicts.
We're we're we're reframing it now.
We're going to frame it strictly under international law and strictly in terms of, you know, holding Israel accountable
for all of the egregious crimes against humanity that it it's doing with impunity. This the whole US position,
the entire US, everything politically, militarily, it's all designed to protect Israel's impunity to to allow Israel to
act with impunity. That is really ultimately what the US function is politically, militarily, all the
47 minutessanctions, all the labeling of terrorist groups here, there, and the other. It's all for one single reason, which is to
defend and protect Israel's right to to act with total impunity and criminality
against its its residents, its neighbors, uh its illegally occupied Palestinian residents there and all of
its neighbors as well and Iran and everybody else. That's that is the and that policy of the US is going to bring
down the United States. It's bringing down the US as a as a global empire by def having to maintain that it's so
unsustainable. It's so obviously unsustainable and this president is clinging to it desperately as is the
entire US government and uh political establishment because they've been doing it for so long they don't know any other way. They they they can't imagine a
world without sort of you know Israel is our greatest friend and ally. They there's no other option for them.
They just can't envision a world where this lie doesn't exist. They they
everything, all the money, I mean, money, the blood, the treasure, the lives, the price that's been paid to
maintain this false facade that Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East and they're they're they're like us.
they they exude European values and we must protect them and everybody everybody who's uh resisting them is a
terrorist. That's the complete Western paradigm right there.
And it's not sustainable. And it's taken the Islamic Republic of Iran to prove that it's not sustainable. They've
forced the issue and they they no one has stood up for the Palestinians. Nobody has put their money where their mouth is where their
49 minutesmouth is. When I I remember the day true promise one Nema I see the pictures of Palestinians looking up at the sky and
he's seeing all the fireworks come and they're out there just crying in the streets of Gaza crying. They say the
first time anybody on this planet has stepped up to do anything for us.
You know, it it it was just like to me that was a historic moment. And you know, not to take anything away from Hezbollah, they effectively done the same thing.
They they they tried to enforce a red line in order to pull a a large
contingent of the IDF who was conducting a brutal genocide after October 7th against the Palestinians. Hezbollah got
involved to to to to you know pull a large percentage of the Israeli forces away. And you know what? It worked
temporarily. It worked. They they had to pull out forces from Gaza and reallocate them and it created a panic
and uh it's of course it's what's resulted has been devastating for Lebanon. But to blame that on Hezbollah
means that you're okay with allowing Israel just to massacre hundreds of thousands of women and children for you
know that you're okay with that and that's a big pill to swallow for any Arab country and Iran's the only
country aside from Hezbollah and I I'll give the Lebanese credit for that because Hezbollah are part of Lebanon.
So technically that's Lebanon. And that's why they they they need to stop this sectarian def defining the Lebanese
have against each other is just so horrendous and so shortsighted.
And ultimately that will be their undoing. If they can if Lebanon can't get over get past their petty uh
small-minded sectarian worldview, um they're going to lose territory. That's what it's going to end up with.
Lebanon will be smaller. It's already a tiny country. It's going to be even smaller because if the only thing that
they can do to survive intact as a country is they need to be have total solidarity and that needs to come from
the top. And unfortunately, you've got a US Saudi Israeli puppets in
Joseph Aun and No, no Salam. Sadly, they're installed by Western interests and Zionist interests and paid for by
the Gulf in various ways. And that's very sad. I if this current leadership in Lebanon can wake up before it's too
late. Otherwise, they're going to end up fleeing government. That's what that's where it's going to end up. They could either stand up and do the right thing
or they're going to end up having to flee probably to a foreign country because what they're doing is they're they're they're really opening the door.
They're giving a rolling out a red carpet for a violent civil war and allowing the Americans just to totally manipulate them. Tom Barack is just
walking in there like he's the viceroy of, you know, the Levant and he's saying, "You need to the Lebanese army
needs to disarm Hezbollah, you know, and we're going to make sure that happens and and they need to do that cuz we're telling you to do that. Therefore, you
know, it's just so colonial, the arrogance and nobody can say a word about Israel." No, no. And they've got it's the
Stockholm syndrome, Nema. they end up loving their oppressor and blaming other inmates in the prison. That's kind of
what what's happened uh with with Lebanon. It's an incredible situation.
But, you know, small states are weak, but small states can also play an important role in in stabilizing a
region if they can have cohesion internally because then they have allies and then they have leverage and they have
European allies as well. the Europeans, if Lebanon had solidarity against Israel,
they there would be quite a few European countries that will be forced to come to their support and that changes things massively. And that's what that's the
thing that America and Israel do not want to happen. That's the thing they fear the most is Lebanese solidarity
against Israel. That is the number one fear of the Americans and the Israelis.
And the Americans have spent billions of dollars to break up that country, billions to to to have them fighting against each
other. And so have the have the Gulf States and so and Israel as well as obviously that's at the top of their
list. So there's a book by actually it's in my important book to read which is by David Hurst.
I don't know if this comes out uh beware of small states. uh former Middle East
editor of the Guardian. Uh that's explains some of what I'm talking about in terms of the geopolitics of the post
Sykes Pika era in the Middle East. And the other one is this one which is by Halaj Jabber which is Hezbollah born
with a vengeance which is to me the definitive history of the of the beginnings of Hezbollah uh here which is
a great a great book by Hala and um yeah so but I doubt anybody in the Trump administration's read any of those.
No they don't want to.
Yeah. Patrick, there is a report from Iran that a gator delegation has arrived
in Tehran to discuss bilateral rel relations and regional develop developments including the latest
diplomatic efforts aimed at ending the war with the United States. I can assume that there could be some sort of changes
in the you know the nature of the relationship between Iran and Gata as an outcome of this war. But when it comes
to the Iran and the United States, there is nothing there for to play. They don't have anything you know they
the two sides they were trying to talk directly in Islamabad.
Two delegations. One of them you know the head of delegation was JD Vance the vice president of the United States. The
other one is Iran the head of Iranian parliament. They couldn't do anything with with those negotiation. How how
come can we believe that the delegation or I would say even the guy from
Islamabad knower the chief of staff the head you know of
of Islamabad of Pakistan going to do something about there is nothing there to be worked on in my opinion nothing
literally nothing Donald Trump is trying to force terms on Iranians and Iranians say no this is the reality of the war
this is the battleground and everything going to be the reflection of the reality on the battleground. We're not going to change our policy, our
strategy. That's why they're not reaching a deal. That's why Donald Trump today tweeted that they're not bending, they're not, you know, backing down.
And how do you see the the role of these GCC countries like Qatar? Are we going to see some sort of shift little shift
from these countries? uh you're already seeing a little shift with Qatar. Um they they've absolutely reconsidered their position in the last 3 months.
Much much different position right now.
Um I think the difference is Qatar is probably the least uh of the Gulf countries that is under Isra Israeli influence.
So the the Abraham Accords um have you know it it's the Abraham Accords are a
disaster for the Gulf States. Um but the UAE is being absorbed by Israel on every conceivable front. Their their
intelligence services are in there. MSAD has untold number of you know working stations within the UAE. They're they've
inter intermingled everything from their uh cloud computing to uh their security
services to cyber cyber military uh commercial. There's I don't know how many hundreds of thousands of Israelis t
quote tourists running around the UAE as we speak. So it's effectively taking it over. And that means there's going to be
no hope for the UAE in terms of having a reasonable position with Iran. So, and if I was Iran, I wouldn't entertain
anything in until they formally renounce the Abraham Accords, but that's not going to happen. Saudi Arabia halfway in
between maybe veering towards independence still tethered to the US.
The problem with all of the Gulf states, Nema, they're too exposed to the US dollar. This is the problem. Um, and you
know what? This is also the problem with Iraq. Listen, uh the US have Iraq by the neck. Uh and they've done that
structurally by design after the war. Uh so much of Iraqi uh oil revenue it has
to run through US banks in in in uh in New York. I I even believe that it's my understanding, I
could be wrong, that the Iraqi sovereign wealth fund is in dollars in US banks.
So if if they go too far off the reservation, they could find themselves being sanctioned. So they they've got that leverage over.
And you know what?
All that would take it probably would this all would end tomorrow, Nema, if Iraq
declared their airspace um off limits for the US and Israel. It really that simple.
That's the key. That's the key, I think.
It's that simple. And so the US have quietly got Iraq by the balls financially. That's a huge sword over
their neck. And a lot of people aren't speaking. They're not they don't speak about this. So
yeah, that's that's strategically that there's no there's no doubt about it.
That's the legacy of the Iraq war remains.
It remains um but less and less so. the the the the political influence is certainly not there with the US but the
financial control is Qatar is very exposed to the US dollar in US institutions Saudi Arabia massively
massively Saudi Arabia and Qatar also have their own leverage as well they do have some leverage financially and politically and and how they've
intermingled institutions with the west uh like academic civil society business there's a lot they've done a lot of work
to to to gain influence in the US and more broadly in the west. Bahrain uh is
extremely weak. The royal family there is in extremely weak position. They're totally reliant on Saudi Arabian
security. And Kuwait um which is really relying on US protection is just
becoming more and more exposed uh by through Iranian strikes. And uh and I
even I I even think that uh I'm not convinced that the attack on the Kuwaiti airport was actually from Iranian
missiles and it could have very well been something else or even a false flag for that matter because you know after
that attack you saw them ramping up the uh the sales pitch for anti- drone a new anti- drone system there that's going to
cost billions of dollars. And so everybody's got their economic incentives within the whole chaos of the
region right now. And but uh but Qatar with the least amount of Israeli
influence has the best chance of being independent. And then I think it would be smart for them to ally with Iran
because they share the biggest gas field in the world arguably. Um so they need to have some kind of a dependable stable
working relationship with absolutely no problems or questions that to me. So while it's a small country Qatar
uh it's I if if it depends which way it goes in terms of its orientation with Iran it can be very
very prosperous very beneficial for Qatar but it's going to have to change it's going to have to have a very clear
uh deliberate orientation with Iran that it's very clear and everyone can see um that's different than what the other
Gulf states are are doing are confused because they're they're all exposed. Kuwait's hugely exposed for US dollars.
Uh as is probably Bahrain as well and Bahrain's militarily occupied. It's an occupied country. The US occupy
Bahrain's not very big, but it's occupied by the US military. So they're not sovereign. They can't make any decisions on their own. They don't have any foreign policy.
Uh the majority of the country is Shiite, you know. So it's, you know, they have a it's a typical British ex-colonial
minority in power over a majority, you know, minority desperate monarch in
charge of a different uh religious majority. Typical. Um, so yeah, so I
mean Saudi Arabia is is to me the one that swings the balance. They they maintain very good relations with a
number of other superpowers including Russia. They were there at St.
Petersburg Economic Forum. They had the pos VIP position of prominence at that event which is one of Russia's main uh
geopolitical salons on the calendar and also China and others. So they Saudi Arabia could swing the balance, but
they're also it's also bad for them because they have to they they sit between Israel and Iran. And so Saudi Arabia has to also be very careful
strategically for their own protection and their own sort of viability.
Uh if that they don't lean too far to any particular side. Um so that's that's one thing in in in that sense Saudi Arabia is like Turkey in that sense.
they have to dance with multiple partners all the time. Um, and that's that's becoming evident. That wasn't necessarily the case before. They were
really the regional hedgeimon. Saudi Arabia.
Not anymore. Not anymore. No. Iran is the regional hedgeimon. It's very clear Turkey could have been the regional
hedgeimon, but unfortunately they're tied at the hip to NATO and uh there's
not much they can do and they can't seem to extricate themselves from their economic uh relationships with Israel or Azeraijan.
That's for other reasons by the way. Um but uh Turkey has its own agenda eth its own ethnoturkish
agenda and its own Islamist uh transition uh as well which which which by the way that's going to fail. I think that's that's delusional on their part.
Well it's it's a which part's going to fail the uh the the Islamic transition Asia. I think the way that
Central Asia Yeah. panurkish panturkic uh movement. Yeah. And so they did a lot of terrible things Turkey.
They they brought in weaggguers who they who they recognize as part of the Turk uh ethno you know family as it were
5 minuteshistorically uh brought them into Syria and there are the most vicious terrorists the most vicious terrorists.
They brought in the Weaggguers and other people from uh central Asia and that was all facilitated through Turkey and the MIT
Turkish intelligence and what they did in Syria is horrible, you know, really horrible. The most violent the the most
vicious ISIS fighters in in many cases were from there. Uh and so Turkeykey's
done many horrible things in the name of you know their sort of neotomist neotomism or I I call it it's like
Turkish MAGA you know make Turkey great again that's the 30-year project of Erdogan that began in the early 90s
you know so he the AK party that's this is a real project and they've transformed institutions in the country
and to bring to make it more Islamic and to move away from the Mustafa um
uh at a Turk secular kamal uh at a Turk secular society and
political economy and transform it to an Islamist one but that's also having some problems as well and you know so I think
he's failed Turkey has really failed in the eyes of the UMAH because he he talks a big game with
Netanyahu, but he has nothing to do materially to stop the genocide in Gaza,
which is a huge betrayal of m the Muslim community globally. It it it really
showed how how superficial and fake the the Erdogan sort of and and Turkey
as Islam is champion of the Islamic world. They could never be a custodian of Alaxam Mosque ever unless they're
willing to step up and actually do something to restrain Israel. Then they're worthy. But the only country
that stepped up to actually do something for the Palestinians has been Iran
and Hezbollah as well. But but Iran especially. You know, Iran has taken the fiercest blow of the empire as
punishment for what they've done. It's as simple as that. The biggest conventional military in the world and
as the Americans say, the most powerful military in history, the human race.
Iran has stood toe-to-toe with them and not only they still standing but they've now flipped the dynamic the balance of
power in their favor and the US is on its heels and that's extraordinary and really it started with defense of the
Palestinians because that's the that's that's always what Israel's problem with Iran has been because they defend the Palestinians. Iran's not any sort of
physical threat of Israel. Well, they're quite far away, but but they are the only country that would not let go of the Palestinian issue, and that made
them the enemy. And that's why they've had this fake campaign of against non-existent Iranian nukes for 40 plus
years now. And all of this to demonize Iran. Why? because they were uh a
potential resistance for the uh Israeli Zionist project in the region and that they
would defend the native Palestinian population, which is the the thing that that that that's in the way of total Israeli expansion. It's the natives.
It's the Palestinians. And the only people willing to put their life on the line and is is Iran to put it all on the
line for the Palestinians. It's the only country willing to take the beating from the United States and Israel
and sanctions from every single other Western ally. Why? To defend the Palestinians and also now to defend the people of South Lebanon as well.
And they're taking that punishment. Why? Because that's what great powers do.
That's how history will look at it. So beyond today's propaganda, beyond all the lies, all the sort of
fake talking points that we get thrown at every every minute in the west, history will look back at this is what
great powers do. Great powers can draw moral red lines and great powers will fight for their
principles. They're not going to give up on their principles. So Iran has established itself as a great power historically speaking and the United
States is a great power, formerly great power now in rapid decline. And Israel is probably a fast disappearing wannabe
great power that has uh you know embarked on the ultimate Fouian journey which ends in complete disaster.
um in biblically speaking as well. So yeah, that's yeah, hopefully we make it
long enough to look back in history and be able to evaluate it in those terms.
That's the big question if we can survive.
Patrick, in the case of Turkey today, Aragon said that Turkeykey's security begins not only in Hatai. Hatai is the
southern province of Turkey which they stole which they stole from Syria. Yeah.
They Yeah. In the early early 20th century.
That's Syria. Hatai. But anyway, go ahead.
And but also he says not only in Hatai but also in Aleppo, Damascus and Beirut.
We will not turn a blind eye to aggression against them. and he said that the whole agenda of Israeli greater
Israel we know their agenda we're prepared to go against it today then we had the Israeli reaction Benjamin Ednau
came out that Turkey or Erdogan is the most anti-semitic you know on this planet and he said
we know in terms when it comes to the talking points Turkey goes too far but when it comes to the actions you don't
see anything happening and they have the full support of the Turkish people. The recent poll the recent polls show that
something like 97% of Turkish people they're supporting the the policy to go against Israel.
Absolutely.
And that's not been that has not been translated in the policy the foreign policy of Turkey.
Yeah. If if if Erdogan was serious, which he's not. He's a good talker. He's like Trump. He He's He's a great
politician. Very arguably the most successful Turkish politician in the modern era, arguably. And he's a great
talker. If if he was if he was genuine, if he was sincere, uh he would be calling Alav
in Baku uh in Azerbaijan saying uh no more of your oil for the Israelis. Finished.
Finished. sanctions. We're going to sanction the Israelis and you're going to go with us Azarbaijan and you're going to sanction alongside of us and
we're going to create a united front because we need to put pressure on to save our fellow Muslims, Sunni Muslims
in Gaza. You see this? This is why Iran, the West want to frame them as Shiite
and they want to separate them from the rest of the Umah.
But the world is now beginning to see not to view Iran as a Shiite Muslim country, but as a Muslim country. Okay?
And that ma that means Iran has ascended to the leader of the Islamic world.
That's the position Turkey wanted.
That's the position that the Ottoman Empire may have had previously but no longer have and will never have uh for
the very reasons which we have just discussed.
Iran is now the de facto leader of the Islamic world globally. That's who everyone's looking up to.
Not even the Russians have gone toe-to-toe with the US militarily.
Not even Russia. There is no country on this planet that has gone toe-to-toe
with the United States and Israel simultaneously and are not only standing on their two feet, but have managed to
completely wreck the US's multiple bases and have taken out 75 at
least if you count Yemen and Iran. those two conflicts which I consider to be one
uh 75 fixed wing aircraft at least maybe maybe 80 by by the end of this week um
that's that's what the US lost out of the first and second Iraq wars that's
you know over 12 years of conflict 75 fixed wing aircraft they've lost that many in the last 12 months or a bit more
than 12 months but and all the bases is you know that would be like in the
Vietnam war Nema if the Vicong I mean the US lost a lot of men and aircraft in in the V eight years in
Vietnam eight years of combat operations official combat operations um that would be like if the Vietkong
reached out and took out the US bases in the Philippines Guam Okinawa and like the Solomon Islands and in
northern Australia like wiped all that out at the beginning the Vietnam war.
They didn't. They couldn't. They didn't have the capability or the technology to do that. Iran did. Iran did that.
So, you know, it's it's historic. It just hasn't sunk
in yet in America, in the West. They just they haven't they're still pretending the US is a dominant power in
West Asia or the Middle East. They're still believing this is true. and Trump is messing around with this stupid
blockade and you know like like like this is putting it putting America's foot down in the region and you know we're going
to be dictating terms to these Iranians and we've we've dismantled and destroyed them. They have no leadership left. That's what he said the other day.
They're down to the third tier of leadership. No, they're not. Iran is a fully functioning society, government
and military, and they they're forcing they're forcing just with a few missile
barges, they've now forced the United States and Israel to have to completely retool and reconfigure their their
position visav Lebanon. That's not a that's not a defeated country. Sorry.
And if it was so if if the US was so powerful, how come you can't use all of your military bases anymore in the in the Persian Gulf? How come Saudi Arabia
is on pins and needles of how much or to what degree they're going to allow the US to not only use their bases, but even
allow their airspace to be used? That's because they're afraid of Iran. Because Iran is uh backed up their threats.
Simple. Why? Because Iran is now a normative regional superpower. That's why
and the GCC countries are secondary powers now. Yeah.
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