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I was going to go do Russell Brand. Charlie did some press down there, uh, back in London.
and I'm in the countryside and then we met back up to do another media event. I suddenly realize am told by my assistant
that I'm running late to a dinner that I didn't even know was happening. So me and Charlie jump into a taxi, book it, and are like my like who
could how could this miscommunication have happened, important political players, a nice small intimate dinner of like maybe
18, maybe even small, maybe like 15 people. And I walk in to this dinner and George Farmer is hosting the dinner
because he wanted to get behind Turning Point UK because him and his father were very involved with Brexit at the time
and his father was at one time the um
7 minutesuh the treasurer for the Tory party. So they were involved in politics and he just thought Turning Point UK was a great idea and he was helping his friend
PJW put together a little dinner to for Charlie and Candace. And so we arrived late to this dinner and George Farmer is there and I see him and at
this point because his friends were like mate are they even coming? You know he's just plying everyone at the table with
alcohol because like he's humiliated that nobody's were and no he doesn't know what's happening cuz he's not talking to me and we had no idea it was happening. So Charlie and I get there.
We don't like this is so out of our character. We would never show up somewhere late. I don't know where the ball got dropped. I blame PJW. And so
does so does George. And we immediately just went around the table and I just said sorry to every single person. You know, obviously going to thank you. I'm thank you for being here. D. We sit
down. I sit down next to my husband, future husband. And I I telling you, I just looked at his face and I knew he was my It was the craziest thing. I just
knew he was my husband and he didn't speak to me barely because he was thinking the same thing. Like he knew that I was his wife and had already
texted his friend after hearing me speak the night before and he wrote in writing, "I'm going to marry Candace
Owens." And his friend, who was the best man in our wedding, was like, "Mate, you're an idiot." Like,
[laughter]
he read this at uh the night before our dinner, read the messages, and it was the exact same thing was happening for me. And I'm saying to my assistant like
George Farmer's my husband like and we had didn't say anything. He was then too nervous. So I spoke to his best friend uh Nick who was the best man in our
wedding.
He chatted with him the whole time and I'm just sitting here like man I really want to talk to this George Farmer. He's just so cute. [laughter] And um he said a couple of words and
then at the end sent me a message on WhatsApp and said thank you so much for coming to Jewish night. And I was like, "You should come to the student action
summit if which is going to be next week in Palm Beach." Had no idea if he had a girlfriend. Was really hoping he didn't
because I he was my husband. So it'd be weird if he had a girlfriend, right?
[laughter]
Would be so weird if I found out my husband had a girlfriend. And he flew over with a girlfriend of his and the
whole time I'm just trying to figure out like we're doing SAS. All this is going on. and we just kind of like put them in our group and I'm just trying to figure out there if those two are dating like
if my husband has a girlfriend and uh there was this donor to Turning Point USA. I used to stay at her house when I
uh when we had an event in Palm Beach and she's [snorts] older. She was like 75 and you know she's at the age where they don't care what they say.
Mhm. And she's like, "You two would be so cute together." And I'm sitting here like, [laughter]
"So, I did this thing that I'm telling you, I have never done this. This is so funny." And we had the event at uh it
was at Mara Lago. I remember the dress I was wearing. And then he shows up wearing like a Cumberb like I mean English men in their suits, right? So he
shows up looking like James Bond. And I'm like, "Okay, everybody stop. That's my husband." Like obviously [laughter] like in my head I'm just like this is
crazy. Like if you my husband in a suit is just like okay just shut shuts everything shuts everything down and I'm just sitting here and afterward
we went to the breakers and we had a conversation and we just the conversation just completely flowed. We were actually talking about Vladimir
Putin which is really funny. Um, and we were talking about, you know, planes and overcharging for suitcases. And I'm
still now I'm thinking like, okay, I don't think he's dating this girl. Cuz she was there and we were we were kind of like, you know, talking.
And so I went back to the donor's house and I was like, I am going to message
him and see if he wants to like meet up for what do you call like when you have like a late night? Uh there's a like a
fancy expression for it like uh like you know to have a cocktail late night. What do they say? Uh I don't know what people call it. There's a nice fancy way to say
it. Whatever. But I'm like I'm going to text him. Okay. Here here's how I'm going to figure it out. I'm going to text him and see if he wants to meet up
in like the lobby of the hotel and I'm going to shoot my shot and if he answers then like okay, there was definitely
something there. And if he doesn't answer, then there was nothing. Okay.
And he said like I I so I texted him. I just texted I texted my husband who I thought was my husband in my head. And I'm like,
"Hey, like do you want to go grab a a there's a word for it, whatever, um in the lobby or whatever of the hotel." No response.
Got no response.
going backward and going over this together. He was like, "I was just knocked out sleeping." But of course, you're thinking a thousand different
things. And I'm like, "Oh my gosh." Like, "No, he's dating that girl. He's totally dating that girl. I'm an idiot." Like, [laughter] and um yeah. And so,
yeah, I was like, "Okay, he's going to" And then that and then the next day, we went to Al uh to to the the donor's house again, and she was just like, "You
guys make such a cute couple." And I I was like getting all these signs. And then after he left, he called me and we talked on the phone for like and
I was like, "Okay." Like, "Okay." Well, he didn't have a girlfriend, the whole thing. And then he told me, "I just I just fell asleep and I'm so sorry I missed the text message." I was like,
"If you knew the thought and the emotion and everything that went behind this, like I never do this." I don't even at the time I didn't even drink, by the way. Like, I was just making up an
excuse to um see him. And it was just he he had he just passed out. And I was like, "He's probably with that girl."
like all the girly emotions and none of that was happening. And so yeah, he uh we then like spoke every day on the
phone. Obviously, he was back in the UK and then he proposed to me on a plane.
13 minutesUm we had hadn't even had our first kiss.
So I'm one of the Hadn't even had your first kiss.
No, how could we? He was in the UK. So I He proposed to me. People thought we were totally insane. His friends thought he was insane. Everyone thought I was
insane. My But my sisters were like, "This is the most candidest thing I've ever heard ever." You know?
So, wait, how much time from you met him to engagement? 18 days. 18 days.
Wow. How long have you guys been married now? 7 years. Seven years. 7 years. Baby number five on the way. Congratulations.
Thank you. Um, yeah. So, it was I can't even explain the poll that pulled me to the UK. And when I saw him, I I mean, I
don't know if I dreamed it. I mean, some things are just so metaphysical. We don't understand the world and the way it works, but I know I knew he was my husband and I was right. So, everyone
was wrong. I was like, "No, that's obviously my husband." Like, I know.
Like, and the way that I describe how I felt, and I will be such a hypocrite, by the way, in the future when my daughter pulls this, she'll be about to marry. I
feel like my daughter someday is going to watch this episode and be like, "You and dad fell in love." When you're watching and you're 20, however old you are, Louise, you're not allowed to meet
any guy like this. You're not allowed to get married after 18 days.
[laughter]
This only applies for me. I'm going to be a total hypocrite. The only way that I can describe the way I felt is it felt
like a sigh of relief. Like there he is. Like everything's going to be okay now. He's there.
What's the secret to a successful marriage?
Gosh. The secret to a successful marriage?
Um, I feel in some ways I have been
just so blessed by God to just have a really easy marriage cuz I hear, you know, everyone wants to know what the secret is. And I I think it's the secret
is loving the person you married. Like genuinely enjoying them, like genuinely
being fascinated by them. um like wanting to aspire to them, wanting to know them, every like layer of them and
wanting to learn from them, having just like a deep reverence for the person that you're marrying. Like aside from just being giddy and in love with them
and I'm totally obsessed with my husband. I just genuinely am. And that's the best feeling in the world. I feel like I cheated in life somehow like
that. I just got to marry the person of my dreams who wears a suit like James Bond. Like I'm just like he's just
perfect in those in in every way. And and the best thing is just to see who he became after we had kids.
Like men, you unlock something. And I'm sure it comes from I'm a dad.
You know what I mean? Wow. I got to figure this thing out. And we have a lot of boys. So, I think there's even more
pressure applied of I now need to be the model of the father. Like, I'm a father.
Like, what kind of a father do I want to be? Because that's going to impact my boys. And he loves his dad. And I think
he felt the pressure of wanting to be who his dad was to him. And this pressure just created an an a diamond,
you know. So, he has just I'm just amazed at him. Like, he's just my my husband's good at everything, too. It's
he's just one of those people who has a brain for everything. I know what I'm good at. I'm good at communication. I'm good at writing. I understand marketing.
And but he can just learn any subject in a day and then suddenly fully comprehend it. I mean, you could talk to my husband about any subject. It's unbelievable.
So, I I don't know. I just I just adore him. I think that's kind of the secret is is is adoring the person. Um cuz it's
been it's been really easy for us, which sounds crazy because on the external it's like just a constant hurricane, a
constant tornado, but to see especially during the year of the Daily Wire stuff, how he just built it. It's like
understood the whole never podcasted, understood it, did the ads, redid the contracts, you know, all right, I got to figure this out, whatever. And just I
could have never survived that year without my husband. Wow. Yeah. He's a genius. He really is. Baby number five's on the way.
Five. I've just been in a constant state of pregnancy.
Like an elephant. Elephants are pregnant for 2 years. I feel like I've just been pregnant for a long time, but I'm I'm blessed with very easy pregnancies. And
we didn't realize how much we were going to love being parents, too. Like that was something that surprised us. I don't know. you hear so much about marriage,
be careful when you get married. And I feel like there's uh so much nonsense out there, like you're like you're walking a plank or
18 minutessomething. And I feel like my life began uh when I got married and when I had kids and we just our kids are just the best. My kids are awesome. Like I I mean
they're so funny and they're kind.
I know I sound like I'm biased, but I really do have the best kids. Someone has to have them, right? Someone has to have the best and it's me. And um we just [clears throat] love it.
We love being parents. Um the happiness that comes from it and the security that comes from it. Like they're getting security from you, but you're getting
real security from them and realizing suddenly what matters. It changes everything. And I laugh at that younger Candace who's like, "Whoa, this person
retweeted me. That's the goal. Whoa, I'm going to do this show tonight." And now it's how fast can I get home? Um,
[snorts]
so and so did this today. Like texting each other. Like the stories of like little conversations that watching
children contend with the world and try to reason and the oversimplification, the beauty of the oversimplification of a child's mind.
It's so special. It really is. And now I get to work from home because thank you
Daily Wire. [laughter] The blessing of that.
One thing I wasn't uh expecting to hear today is a thank you to the Daily Wire from Candace Owens.
I owe them so much. [laughter] I owe them so much for ripping the
carpet from under my feet in the most glorious way possible. I mean, God is always looking out. That I look back on
that and you just don't you just don't doubt what God's doing. Even things that you're like, "Why? Why? Why? Well, you're not meant to know right now,
Candace." And then God just showing me that he just was throwing me a lifeboat, you know? Now is a good time to get out
of there. [laughter] So, I have I have no regrets. Good for you. Yeah. Good for you.
Chapter 14: Daily Wire Fallout & Industry Pressure
You brought up uh I think it's Lexit. Mhm. What is Blexit?
Well, Blexit is what I was building alongside Charlie when because I was really focused on wanting to motivate black people to wake up the Democrat party. Okay.
And so that kind of happened in Kanye season. And then when I realized I did not want to do not for profofit and I loved podcasting, which I got to do with
PragerU, um I sold Blexit back to Turning Point USA because I also just couldn't do that at all. like I you know
was having getting after getting married and being pregnant I was like I don't want to do not for profofit and do a podcast and do all this stuff.
So it allowed me to focus on podcasting which I just found an act for. I really love conversing with people and communicating and um I got my dream job
so to speak right now because I get to do it for myself. And you did that with Brandon Tatum. Is that the former police officer? Mhm.
Are you guys still tight? You know, Brandon, I always say, is he's like a brother to me. And I think it's that same coming of age thing. He was there.
You know, Brandon, me, Charlie doing stuff together, building something. We obviously have very strong disagreements
on Zionism and Israel and how Charlie Kirk died. And I need to
be able to sit down face to face with him, which has been hard. uh just because we're on opposite sides of the of the and we've spoken on the phone a
few times, but like then he's got like I'm stepping into dinner and you know um I have a very very strict policy about
when you have a real relationship with somebody doing stuff for the public and there's a lot that I I need to talk to Brandon
about, you know, I need to try to understand where he's at and I'm sure he feels the same way.
Well, that's good to hear. Yeah, it's good to hear that somebody can disagree with you and [snorts] still be friends.
Well, it was it was just a real relationship, you know, and like you my family loves Brandon. Like, so it's
you I think you're less of a person when you allow politics to decide who you're
friends with. And I have felt that test real close [clears throat] to the fire with the Kanye stuff. um what Daily Wire
put me through behind the scenes wanting me to like make a public statement about him and I didn't do it and they took
millions away from me. You know, they they literally had money on the table.
Um what do you mean?
It's actually one of the funniest things because the former CEO has just been on like a podcast tour just making up like
it's almost fantasy stories about me, but I guess no one wants to book him unless he does it.
Jeremy Boring. Yeah, it's been it's been the most pathetic thing. I don't even reply anymore cuz everyone in the comments just like you are.
I'll tell you like some of my favorite recent pastimes are hearing the stories
of Jeremy Boring running around the [ __ ] Daily Wire with a baseball bat getting hair and makeup done. That's all true.
Yeah, cuz he's not he wasn't even on camera, right? No.
And he would get his hair and makeup done. [laughter] Yeah, that's that is all 1,000% true.
The stories any stories you hear about him, as loony as it sounds, it's all very real. It's he's he was a total nut case.
It's like I was telling you at breakfast when I when I hear the sto I don't want to mention anybody's names cuz I don't want to throw anybody under the bus, but it's it sounds like the '9s movie, The Office Space.
It's like identical.
It is a sitcom. It's weird. Like you look back on it and you're just sort of and everyone will tell you. I mean, they're just this is what he did. He'd get he'd come in and have people wash
his hair plugs and do his makeup and style him to be the CEO. Just to go into his office and be the CEO.
Everywhere I go, people are talking about Jeremy Boring and Ben Shapiro because suddenly right around Nashville, there's all these unemployed Daily Wire
24 minutespeople running around and they're [ __ ] pissed.
Yeah. Because it didn't they're talking a lot.
Yeah. [laughter] It's a It's like Because it didn't have to be like that, I think. also. And it's he just ran it like a cult. It was very strange. I
mean, he's just not a real person, I guess, is the best way. He's a character. It's like a cartoon character. And but one of the funniest reimaginations is like because no one wants to book him. He has nothing to
talk about. He has no talent. Um he sort of does this thing where he's just he's just been like on a year tour of my worst regret is like hiring Candace
Owens. And yet it's all he can talk about.
I I can't believe the [ __ ] they pulled with Brett Cooper.
Oh yeah. Like what what was how old was Brett when she left? They're like
[ __ ]
20 21 22. Yeah. Yeah.
You you treat a 21year-old woman girl like that. What the [ __ ] is the problem, man?
She wanted to leave. How do you leave a cult? We got to destroy you on the way out.
I mean, they would just [ __ ] torment her every day. Every [ __ ] day.
I hope I I I'm assuming she opened up to you uh about what went on legally. I mean, somebody did.
Jeremy did that personally. I mean, he's he's vicious. He's he's, you know, closeted gay man. Um, and he is
extraordinarily vicious. So, uh, to see him try to sort of reintroduce himself.
Um, [snorts] when I hear the story about I don't know if it was the day after you left or the or when you got fired or whatever
[laughter]
and they had everybody come out and they're like, "Nobody [ __ ] cheer." And then they come out and everybody cheers like, "Shut stop cheering." Yeah. No clapping. I've heard the radio.
Everyone was like, "It was totally nutty." But if you know Jeremy, that's Jeremy. He always has to build a stage and give a performance of everything, including a firing. Like it's like it's it's totally it is a sitcom.
I think they ran around and took everybody's phones and [ __ ] too. Maybe they made them keep their phones at
26 minutestheir desks and it was described to me like an episode of Arrested Development.
[laughter]
He like had the stylist coming out and like matching his shirt to the lights.
It's totally wacky, but all the stories are real. This is how he ran the company. It was in right into the ground, by the way, I should add. But it's funny to reflect on because he's
just he's so irrelevant now it doesn't even matter. So we just kind of all share stories about this wacky person who pretended to be a CEO for a while.
Just desperately [snorts] wants to be famous and he'll um he doesn't have it. You know, you just don't have it, buddy.
You know, uh I just I love watching people that treat people like that just get [ __ ] destroyed. Yeah. Destroyed.
Yeah. Because you need you need friends. He'll never do anything big ever again.
No. And he knows that. Which is why his new show On the Road is Oh, he has a he has a new show called On the Road.
No, but basically he just books media to talk about me. It's bonkers.
It's And how I'm the worst decision he ever made. And obviously the public sees that for what it is. It's just pathetic.
And um but he he reimagined reimagines me too. So he pretends he had because why are they going to book him? Like nobody wants to book him. Yeah.
And so he says, "Well, you know, Candace once told me a secret, like a secret that she would do [laughter] she would do anything for money." That's how he tried to launch his podcast,
saying that I told him I would do anything for money. And it's the literal exact opposite of what happened at the Daily Wire. It's like the ex like the
exact opposite experience he had for me when Kanye tweeted um Defcon 3 or whatever. I had nothing to do with it. I wasn't there when he tweeted it. I
wasn't with him. But because I was friends with him, this was like the cancellation of Kanye. They were putting pressure on me to make a statement about him and I didn't do it and I didn't want
to do it. And it led to a moment where I was brought into a conference room and my husband was there and both of the co-CEOs, it was Jeremy and um Caleb
Robinson, who's a bit he's more serious of a person than Jeremy, you know, uh were yelling in a conference room like like why won't you just say this and
make it easy? don't you understand like the pressure that it puts on Ben and like his network of people who feel
threatened by this or whatever? And I refused to do it. I said, you know, I think you guys will reflect on this.
Most people see me as like a formidable enemy, but I'm more a more formidable friend. I'm not going to step on his head while he's drowning. And so Jeremy
basically said, "Okay, well, here's what we're going to do. We need to build trust with you." So I had signed a I want to say it was a seven-year contract. I could go back and get the
exact specs of it. and we were like two years into the contract or something like that and they shaved off like five
years of my contract. So I lost millions of guaranteed dollars and they basically
were like or you could just say a statement about Kanye. Didn't do it. Took took the money back.
And so it was the exact opposite experience you had with me that I would not say things for money. And I have the
whole that what's so wacky is like I have the whole email chain. It's like this all happened with lawyers. They changed the contract, the negotiations,
all of this stuff. And I was penalized for what Kanye said. What Kanye tweeted cost me millions of dollars.
And uh zero regrets. That's not the person I am. I I am. I won't I won't say things for money. I I I cannot be made
to dance for money. And um I think that frustrated them. That deeply frustrated them. I have to believe what I'm saying.
And so even if I get things wrong, and of course I get things wrong because I'm a human. Uh I am never intentionally
lying or telling people something because somebody is funding me to say it. Mhm.
I genuinely was wrong about my prior positions on Israel or I was genuinely just not educated and I was okay with
it. I genuinely had no idea what was going on in Palestine. The moment I became educated about was what was happening when it became a hot button issue and I was like let me focus and
see what this is actually about. Uh I picked the right side and I spoke out and I said something and again ended up
costing me a job. So like [laughter] I was making good money at a Daily Wire. I had no job that I was jumping on to.
So to go around and say that Candace will say anything for money, you literally fired me because I wouldn't say anything for money. So, it's it's
it's really weird to sort of see him try to like rewrite who I am. Uh, but it's, you know, it's not it's also
ineffectual. So, he's just a cartoon character.
Jeez. What What was it that eventually did get you Did you get fired or did you quit?
I got fired. The stage was built, remember? And they It was a production. They put together a video. A video.
They put a [ __ ] video to Do you have access to it? Uh, well, eventually Jeremy posted it cuz I think he thought people were going to go, "Wow, you're amazing." Are you It's out. It's on the internet.
Yeah, you can watch it of the what the he how he presented.
So, all these [ __ ] stories that I've heard about the day he got fired in the presentation. I can actually go watch it.
I can Yeah, I think Steven Crowder released it or something. I I think
[laughter]
it it got released somehow. And you know, we're putting that in your preview.
You You have to. I mean, it was totally they played like one of the re reasons they listed for my firing cuz they just
it was basically a thousand different ways that you've been anti-semitic.
They meaning the the PR person at Daily Wire told me to go on this show
that had a DJ that just makes sound effects. And when the me and the person were speaking about Ben Shapiro, a sound
of a cash register went off. And they thought that that was like pre-planned anti-semitism.
The kaching sound effect.
[laughter]
My Oh wow. One of the reasons I got fired. Are you serious?
Of a random show playing a cash register. Cash register sound. I mean the whole show. But actually I think actually I was told that it was uh money
32 minutesthat came in actually cuz they have a live it's the Shopify sound.
Yeah. Like it was like a live thing where it's a live show. So, there's so many sounds. They have a DJ. I mean, I'm a I couldn't have told you that this
happened. And the whole time there's a cash register sound going, but also the sound went off when we were talking about Ben. And so, that was listed as a reason for my firing.
How did they do it? Did they [snorts] Did they It was just an email. I was about to hit the stage at Turning Point USA cuz I was on tour as I always am with them. And so
I was juggling both and I just got an email and they listed I think it was like
I want to say it was 30 pages or it could have been 30 reasons. And I I actually laughed when I was reading it
cuz it it was so crazy like it was like so far beyond how they could interpret symptoms. I'm like that it it only a
person who was in a sitcom could have come up with this. Like I I was shocked they put it in writing. That was my like because first I was like, whoa, what am I being fired for? And then as they
started listing the reasons that things like the first three pages were uh Nick Fuentes, it was just Nick Fuentes. I've
never spoken to Nick Fuentes. Like I spoke to him literally one time prior to along, do you?
No, but they had a whole conspiracy that I was secretly working with Nick Fuentes uh and Tucker Carlson to bring down the Daily Wire and they brought me into the
office and questioned me about that close to the end. And I was like, I don't know what you guys talking about.
Like there there was there was a mental unwwellness that was happening at that company. And was Tucker even independent at that time?
He had just gone independent. So I think this is what like they have a very severe obsession with Tucker. That was apparent to me when I was at the
company. Like I mean I don't know what it is. There's something about Tucker that Jeremy and Ben are very obsessed with. And I don't know if it's cuz he's
just cool. [laughter] You know, there's an envy. And they were they had convinced themselves that I was somehow
working behind the scenes to bring down the Daily Wire to go work for Tucker.
And that's because that's what they did to Breitbart. So they were accusing me of what they had done to a company prior, right? They had quietly been
building Daily Wire. They then created a scandal, a fake scandal with Michelle Fields and then they took all of the all of Breitbart's uh subscribers with them.
So what was the fake scandal?
They the Michelle Fields like Corey Luwendowski hit me and I was bruised.
That whole scandal as I was told was thought up by Ben Shapiro and his best friend who was Michelle Field's husband Jamie Weinstein uh to help them launch
Daily Wire. So this is what a [ __ ] turd. This is the story of McBth. Yeah.
This is the story of McBth. You go around killing people and then you're paranoid that someone's trying to kill you. Yeah.
I was 8 months pregnant. I'm a very loyal person. even if you don't deserve my loyalty, if I'm working for your company, I'm working for your company.
I'm not trying to snipe you. I'm not doing anything. It's just it's not my personality. I'll just quit. You know what I mean? And they brought me into an office and questioned me about this uh
35 minutesTucker Carlson conspiracy. And they asked me if I they he told me explicitly that they thought that I was working
with Nick Fentes. And I just was so confused. I I I thought someone's gone.
How much time did you have at the Daily Wire? left or how much? No, just all together.
Was it there for three years, I think? I think.
How long did this happen after the Kanye incident where they they wanted you to It was the following. It was kind of exactly a year later. Um, and so, but it
was right after October 7th is when they got super wacky. And I think they were wanting me to kind of like pledge allegiance to Israel publicly, and I
just wasn't going to do that. And so, it became an issue. They had financial pressure because Jeremy was you know, doing Pen Dragon, which cost them over
$60 million. The reports on that have been completely inaccurate of how how much that passion project of Jeremy's um
harmed the company. And um he was just he was there's the only way to describe him is maniacal. Anybody who works at Daily Wire will tell you that he was
just utterly maniacal and he's obsessive. Um and so yeah, they built the state. And by the
way, when I sat down with them like a week prior to them firing me and we had hashed things out and they had said to me, "Well, we thought you were secretly
plotting." And I was like, "This is mental unwellness." And I said, "Look, if post October 7th things have changed, like I obviously
understand this is Ben's a partner of the company and you guys want to separate, let you know, let me and Ben talk each other like human beings." Like, I'm happy to do that. I'm happy to
like you don't spend 3 years at a company and want things to end badly. So I I presented Jeremy with that option of me just leaving peacefully. We could
have I was we can figure out how to like unwind, issue a nice statement, but Jeremy has a flare for drama. He h he has to build a stage. He has to do it.
He has to make it over the top. And so they hatched this remarkable plan to Christ is king is anti-Semitic.
Chapter 15: Lawsuits, Censorship & Public Smears
And did they really say that?
Yes. [laughter] I I'm I mean, don't be offended, but I always thought you kind of manufactured that.
Oh, no. Andrew Claven did a full episode entitled like Christ is King after we announced that I was separated and he
just like completely disparaged me for an hour. Andrew Claven and I was so shocked because we had signed a non-disparagement and their lawyers came
back and were essentially like jokes on you.
Tricky contract clause. We said that none of the talent or none of the uh employees would disparrage you, but
Andrew Claven isn't actually an employee. He's a contractor. So, they had plotted to sign this agreement. We
go our separate ways, but then they were going to allow Andrew Claven to publicly say something and then said I couldn't say anything back and but it backfired
because they did this during Lent. And people watched the episode and went, "What?" [laughter] And so then, so this gets even better.
So then it backfires. My my my hand is tied behind my back. I can't say anything or but they still because they
lost tens of thousands of subscribers to Andrew Clayven doing an episode calling
me anti-Semitic over Crisis King. Um they then sued me for them attacking me. So Jeremy, which
is really funny because a couple days ago he went on to Patrick back David and said, "We had the most subscribers ever
after Candace left. You literally sued me and I have the documents of your sworn affidavit saying the opposite." [laughter] Like it's the way he lies.
He's just maniacal. You can't even make it up. So, but he sued me um and said that they lost tens of thousands of dollars. I mean tens of thousands of
subscribers. Literally, I just said, tens of thousands of subscribers over the Crisis King thing, which caused their company financial harm. They sued me for their attack on me backfiring.
Try to work that out. Wow. Wow.
And their evidence of why it was actually my fault was because I couldn't say anything about Andrew Clayven, but I uh Jeremy then stalked my likes on
Twitter and people that were defending me, I was liking the tweets. He brought that into court and said the likes are disparaging. Does this [ __ ] hold up?
They ended up eventually, let me tell you the blessing of the way God works.
Um, so we were being sued. They wanted millions of dollars for my likes, literally my likes on Twitter. And so basically they were going to get every
bit that they we agreed to walk away and I wanted them to pay me out what was due. Um, and they were figured they'd just claw it in court because Jeremy's a
homosexual psychopath and he will like focus on that. And uh they were like trying to tell the judge that likes
amount to disparagement. And [snorts] um a blessing occurs. You you cannot make this up cuz they are like cartoon characters.
My lawyer gets a call and I want to say it was Labor Day weekend. It might have been what would be before Labor Day. I feel like it was sometime in August, but I feel like it was Labor Day weekend.
And my lawyer on the case was like in a bar. He had had a couple of beers and [snorts] um he said he comes out and
like Daily Wire's lawyer calls him and he's like freaking out on the phone and he's like she pulled her he's like he's like she pulled her contract. She pulled
her contract and you knew blah blah blah. And my lawyer's like dude what are you talking about? Like you mean she pulled her contract? You guys fired her?
And he's like you're going to pretend you don't know. And and my lawyer Rob is like what happened? Like what a kid is do like what happened? And he's like,
"We're talking about Brett." So these geniuses thought that I had something to do with Brett pulling her contract, and
they were the ones who told me that Brett pulled her contract. Oh, it was it was brilliant. The whole thing was just amazing. So I had no idea that Brett had done this, obviously, cuz I had nothing to do with it.
Um, and she pulled her contract and then they because they were so in their conspiracy mind, thought I had something to do with it, their lawyer then
informed me that Brett pulled her contract. And so that's how I found out that Brett was leaving the Daily Wire from their own lawyer.
[ __ ] How long after you left did Brett leave?
Brett, but she she ended up it ended up saving me in this court thing the first time. They ended up suing me again and then Brett again. They It was non-stop
lawsuits all the time. Uh but because Brett it was such a shock to everyone, myself included, they then suddenly had like a two-front war, you know what I
mean? Like they were fighting me in court and then suddenly like Jeremy was going to put Brett in a torture chamber.
Um and uh they I guess decided to just for the first lawsuit we decided to
agree and walk away. But then they found another reason to sue me again. And that was because I saw red when I saw them doing what they did to me to Brett. They were going to they tried the same thing.
They were going to go with anti-semitism.
Brett Cooper. I mean this girl does like pop culture videos and but it's tried and true. So they started stalking her likes and exact
same thing. getting their friends to write articles like what's happening to Brett Cooper? She liked this tweet and I
defended her and when I when he did the thing with her best the thing with her best friend as a way to torture her that cuz that's what that was. That's how he
is. He's he's unwell. Um but because it's like you don't leave my cult and you're a piece of property to me, I'm
going to make you suffer. And he went to her wedding. He went to Brett's wedding.
Knew Reagan was her best friend. knew that Reagan was her maid of honor and thought through kidding me, dude.
And here's what the most effed up part, and I apologize in advance for me having absolutely zero permission from Brett, but we're already on the show, so I
can't say anything. I I can't go backward. Um, sometimes I feel like I'm not on air and I kind of forget that all this is going Do you know that's kind of
the problem with podcasts is sometimes you're just I'm just talking to you.
43 minutesSometimes you get a little I'm just talking to you in your living room now.
Yeah. And and this will be obviously very viral, but the most eff part of it um and I actually think both of the
girls were victimized by it. I want to be clear. Like I I don't like what Reagan did, but these were two young girls, like you know, young and they
were best friends. And there was just a maniacal homosexual man doing this because he wanted Brett to suffer for just leaving a job. Like, hey, I'm 22.
No matter what my reason is, I should be able to leave a job.
Uh, he offered Reagan more money than he ever paid Brett.
Great business decision. Worked out really well.
He offered you can't refuse sort of a thing, which would have been life-changing. So, who knows what her life pressures were or she and this is
me being gracious. Uh, because I'm not a fan of that. I don't like when girls I wouldn't have done it. I tell you that for free. Um, but I'm built a little
different. Um, but you can see how that kind of money in front of someone who's just like an associate producer and suddenly someone's like, "And I don't
want to make you a star. I'll do this." And um, and he did that for sport cuz he wanted to hurt her. And it hurt it hurt her by the way. He was successful. That
was a relationship that meant a lot to her.
Um, and that's not something This is something you hear like a deranged husband doing to a wife after
a divorce. You know what I mean? about like how will I make her suffer and like using the kids as a chip in the middle of the divorce. This isn't something you
hear about a a CEO and a 22-year-old girl who wants to leave because she wants to have kids and he doesn't think it's a good idea, you know, for you to
have kids. That's like and so I stood up for her and then I got sued for standing up for her publicly.
Zero regrets. I actually um as we were approaching the court date, I told my lawyers, I'm not going to lie to the judge, if they want to know, did I do an
episode defending Brett Cooper? And I think he wanted some every time they had dinged me, they wanted 300K for every
offense. And I think for that episode, they wanted a million dollars for me defending Brett. [snorts] Um or 300K for that episode.
I said I was just going to pay it. And I said I would have um I would have hung it up on a wall and showed my kids, stand up for something.
Money is just money. And I would have said to the judge, "Yep, I consciously made that was the one time where they were coming after me for something that could have violated disparagement
because I was sickened by what he did to her.
Good for you." Yeah, that's a real friend.
Money's on everything in life. You know what I mean? Yep.
She's so young. It's just like give it to me. You know what I mean? I felt so like and I wasn't actually close to Brett at the Daily Wire. We got close
after because of dealing with lawsuits and he sued her over wearing a blue shirt. I mean, he was he's a total like someone said it so perfectly online.
Why would the Israeli wire sue somebody for wearing a blue I mean the Daily Wire sue somebody for [laughter] wearing a blue shirt?
46 minutesThey're Well, it was all about It's all about the suffering of the lawsuit, right? It's not about whether or not they can win. It's about knowing that she she doesn't have this money. you're
going to sue her 100K, 300K for wearing a blue shirt. And so what happened, this really gets you into the mind of how
Jeremy Boring works. On her last day, they did a joint announcement that was really weird and everyone could tell
that something more was happening, but um they had agreed whatever the language is. And so Jeremy did a like Brett's
been great and then it kind of cut to Brett. I remember watching being like this is weird. And obviously your audience can sniff it out in .
They're growing with you. They know you.
They're here. It's called the Brett Cooper show, right? And they could sense um that something was coming or whatever
it was. But on that day, she wore a blue shirt is all I know is that she wore a blue shirt during that announcement. And it turned out that previously someone in
the comments, because I told you he stalks comments. That's his thing. he's a true like stalker in the comments had said, "Brett, if you're under an NDA,
wear a blue shirt." So, he extrapolated from that that she must have intentionally worn a blue shirt, which
is completely wacky and you're wearing a blue shirt. If you're not wearing a blue shirt three times a week, like we're not talking about a maroon shirt. Like, this
is a like white, black, blue, I feel like everyone wears three times a week.
So, then he found a reason to cuz he he never wants you to leave, right? So you then you sue and then you're behind the scenes and you're fighting them because it's a way to hold on to a relationship.
And so it's a legal form of stalking.
And so I'm actually quite passionate about it and I hope that one day with my platform I can get laws changed because it allows psychopathic men to stalk
women legally because they go, "Well, I have a contract and I can interpret anything as disparagement, even a shirt, a like on Twitter. So I can now keep you
in court and keep you tied to me for years." And that's what he did to me. It never stopped. As soon as it stopped, he's now doing tours, still talking. So,
48 minutesit's been a non-stop stalk from him. And he did the same thing to Brett. So, it's like you can never you can never leave sort of a thing.
Holy [ __ ] But they that's what there are laws that need to be changed about arbitration court cuz that's what arbitration gives them the comfort of doing. He would have
never brought that lawsuit in a public court because that would have humiliated him and people would have read and realized that something's deranged about him. They realize that now just on the
basis of the amount of interviews he's given about me that people are now going this is starting to feel obsessive with Jeremy give him a stage and he'll reveal
himself. So I don't mind him doing all those interviews but um to have to suffer that in arbitration court and to not be able to speak that is laws have to change.
Who legal who's interviewing him? I mean what what's the interest?
Me. [laughter] You're interviewing a failed businessman.
Like [gasps] the Israeli wire is like Yeah. And it's because they're buying views. They're buying [ __ ] views.
Yeah. And it's because of him, you know, that investment in his childhood dream pen dragon. Uh I I you not he's not
right in the head. So with someone like that, he just thinks he's going to build something. And I mean, it doesn't sound like any of them are right in the head. And they
sure as [ __ ] don't learn any lessons. I mean, no.
They're trying to get you to speak out against Kanye. And then fast forward what a couple years and now they're trying to get Megan Kelly to speak out against you and I think Tucker, right?
Like she's the internet mom or something. And it's so crazy because it wasn't like Megan was platforming me.
That's what was so strange. Like their attacks against her was especially psychotic because they were just going,
"Hey, it's Tuesday. We're going to need you to make a statement about Can." She's like, "Wait, why do I have to make a scene about Can I? I don't know Kenneth Owens. I don't like I don't I haven't had her on." I think she
literally had me on her radio show one time years ago when I was at the Daily Wire [snorts] promoting uh The Greatest Lie Ever Sold.
I've never done that at the Megan Kelly show. And uh they just that they're tribal. So it's like, well, because we said so. Because we said so, you need to
say something about Coswins. And she's like, I'm not going to do that. Yeah.
Cuz that diminishes me as a person. That makes Megan look weak. That means she's not in the driver's seat of her own life. And then they start applying the
pressure. or the mafia starts to come in and they'll start uh putting bots in your comments, having people stalk you,
talking about you every single day, trying to ruin your reputation, having people email. Uh they even have like email bots where they can uh have 3,000
fake emails go out and try to stop wherever you're speaking like don't toast this person, she's Adolf Hitler and just creating trouble in your life
and you can see their new fixation is Megan Kelly 3,000 bots.
Yeah. At events that I speak at, I have to pre-tell people that if you announce me as a speaker, you're going to start getting a bunch of emails and you're
going to think they're from real people and they're not. They're just bots. And now that we can read the far dos, they're honest about the fact that they control these like Israeli bots in the
comment sections on Instagram and on Facebook to make people So the Israeli wire also has an Israeli bot farm. Well, I don't know if they are
orchestrating it, but I know that they have their accounts that they pay and Seth Dylan helps out with that with people that they pay to just like stalk all day online and it's all about
creating an illusion of pressure and it's not real. Obviously, the majority of Americans don't support what Israel is doing and don't support Israel. So, they have to create fake people
and um you can read the Faradox of the Clockwork LLC and it's totally insane.
