Charlie Kirk Murder and TPUSA Insider Gossip

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I was going to go do Russell Brand. Charlie did some press down there, uh, back in London.
and I'm in the countryside and then we met back up to do another media event. I suddenly realize am told by my assistant
that I'm running late to a dinner that I didn't even know was happening. So me and Charlie jump into a taxi, book it, and are like my like who
could how could this miscommunication have happened, important political players, a nice small intimate dinner of like maybe
18, maybe even small, maybe like 15 people. And I walk in to this dinner and George Farmer is hosting the dinner
because he wanted to get behind Turning Point UK because him and his father were very involved with Brexit at the time
and his father was at one time the um
7 minutesuh the treasurer for the Tory party. So they were involved in politics and he just thought Turning Point UK was a great idea and he was helping his friend
PJW put together a little dinner to for Charlie and Candace. And so we arrived late to this dinner and George Farmer is there and I see him and at
this point because his friends were like mate are they even coming? You know he's just plying everyone at the table with
alcohol because like he's humiliated that nobody's were and no he doesn't know what's happening cuz he's not talking to me and we had no idea it was happening. So Charlie and I get there.
We don't like this is so out of our character. We would never show up somewhere late. I don't know where the ball got dropped. I blame PJW. And so
does so does George. And we immediately just went around the table and I just said sorry to every single person. You know, obviously going to thank you. I'm thank you for being here. D. We sit
down. I sit down next to my husband, future husband. And I I telling you, I just looked at his face and I knew he was my It was the craziest thing. I just
knew he was my husband and he didn't speak to me barely because he was thinking the same thing. Like he knew that I was his wife and had already
texted his friend after hearing me speak the night before and he wrote in writing, "I'm going to marry Candace
Owens." And his friend, who was the best man in our wedding, was like, "Mate, you're an idiot." Like,
[laughter]
he read this at uh the night before our dinner, read the messages, and it was the exact same thing was happening for me. And I'm saying to my assistant like
George Farmer's my husband like and we had didn't say anything. He was then too nervous. So I spoke to his best friend uh Nick who was the best man in our
wedding.

He chatted with him the whole time and I'm just sitting here like man I really want to talk to this George Farmer. He's just so cute. [laughter] And um he said a couple of words and
then at the end sent me a message on WhatsApp and said thank you so much for coming to Jewish night. And I was like, "You should come to the student action
summit if which is going to be next week in Palm Beach." Had no idea if he had a girlfriend. Was really hoping he didn't
because I he was my husband. So it'd be weird if he had a girlfriend, right?
[laughter]
Would be so weird if I found out my husband had a girlfriend. And he flew over with a girlfriend of his and the
whole time I'm just trying to figure out like we're doing SAS. All this is going on. and we just kind of like put them in our group and I'm just trying to figure out there if those two are dating like
if my husband has a girlfriend and uh there was this donor to Turning Point USA. I used to stay at her house when I
uh when we had an event in Palm Beach and she's [snorts] older. She was like 75 and you know she's at the age where they don't care what they say.
Mhm. And she's like, "You two would be so cute together." And I'm sitting here like, [laughter]
"So, I did this thing that I'm telling you, I have never done this. This is so funny." And we had the event at uh it
was at Mara Lago. I remember the dress I was wearing. And then he shows up wearing like a Cumberb like I mean English men in their suits, right? So he
shows up looking like James Bond. And I'm like, "Okay, everybody stop. That's my husband." Like obviously [laughter] like in my head I'm just like this is
crazy. Like if you my husband in a suit is just like okay just shut shuts everything shuts everything down and I'm just sitting here and afterward
we went to the breakers and we had a conversation and we just the conversation just completely flowed. We were actually talking about Vladimir
Putin which is really funny. Um, and we were talking about, you know, planes and overcharging for suitcases. And I'm
still now I'm thinking like, okay, I don't think he's dating this girl. Cuz she was there and we were we were kind of like, you know, talking.
And so I went back to the donor's house and I was like, I am going to message
him and see if he wants to like meet up for what do you call like when you have like a late night? Uh there's a like a
fancy expression for it like uh like you know to have a cocktail late night. What do they say? Uh I don't know what people call it. There's a nice fancy way to say
it. Whatever. But I'm like I'm going to text him. Okay. Here here's how I'm going to figure it out. I'm going to text him and see if he wants to meet up
in like the lobby of the hotel and I'm going to shoot my shot and if he answers then like okay, there was definitely
something there. And if he doesn't answer, then there was nothing. Okay.
And he said like I I so I texted him. I just texted I texted my husband who I thought was my husband in my head. And I'm like,
"Hey, like do you want to go grab a a there's a word for it, whatever, um in the lobby or whatever of the hotel." No response.
Got no response.
going backward and going over this together. He was like, "I was just knocked out sleeping." But of course, you're thinking a thousand different
things. And I'm like, "Oh my gosh." Like, "No, he's dating that girl. He's totally dating that girl. I'm an idiot." Like, [laughter] and um yeah. And so,
yeah, I was like, "Okay, he's going to" And then that and then the next day, we went to Al uh to to the the donor's house again, and she was just like, "You
guys make such a cute couple." And I I was like getting all these signs. And then after he left, he called me and we talked on the phone for like and
I was like, "Okay." Like, "Okay." Well, he didn't have a girlfriend, the whole thing. And then he told me, "I just I just fell asleep and I'm so sorry I missed the text message." I was like,
"If you knew the thought and the emotion and everything that went behind this, like I never do this." I don't even at the time I didn't even drink, by the way. Like, I was just making up an
excuse to um see him. And it was just he he had he just passed out. And I was like, "He's probably with that girl."
like all the girly emotions and none of that was happening. And so yeah, he uh we then like spoke every day on the
phone. Obviously, he was back in the UK and then he proposed to me on a plane.
13 minutesUm we had hadn't even had our first kiss.
So I'm one of the Hadn't even had your first kiss.
No, how could we? He was in the UK. So I He proposed to me. People thought we were totally insane. His friends thought he was insane. Everyone thought I was
insane. My But my sisters were like, "This is the most candidest thing I've ever heard ever." You know?
So, wait, how much time from you met him to engagement? 18 days. 18 days.
Wow. How long have you guys been married now? 7 years. Seven years. 7 years. Baby number five on the way. Congratulations.
Thank you. Um, yeah. So, it was I can't even explain the poll that pulled me to the UK. And when I saw him, I I mean, I
don't know if I dreamed it. I mean, some things are just so metaphysical. We don't understand the world and the way it works, but I know I knew he was my husband and I was right. So, everyone
was wrong. I was like, "No, that's obviously my husband." Like, I know.
Like, and the way that I describe how I felt, and I will be such a hypocrite, by the way, in the future when my daughter pulls this, she'll be about to marry. I
feel like my daughter someday is going to watch this episode and be like, "You and dad fell in love." When you're watching and you're 20, however old you are, Louise, you're not allowed to meet
any guy like this. You're not allowed to get married after 18 days.
[laughter]
This only applies for me. I'm going to be a total hypocrite. The only way that I can describe the way I felt is it felt
like a sigh of relief. Like there he is. Like everything's going to be okay now. He's there.
What's the secret to a successful marriage?
Gosh. The secret to a successful marriage?
Um, I feel in some ways I have been
just so blessed by God to just have a really easy marriage cuz I hear, you know, everyone wants to know what the secret is. And I I think it's the secret
is loving the person you married. Like genuinely enjoying them, like genuinely
being fascinated by them. um like wanting to aspire to them, wanting to know them, every like layer of them and
wanting to learn from them, having just like a deep reverence for the person that you're marrying. Like aside from just being giddy and in love with them
and I'm totally obsessed with my husband. I just genuinely am. And that's the best feeling in the world. I feel like I cheated in life somehow like
that. I just got to marry the person of my dreams who wears a suit like James Bond. Like I'm just like he's just
perfect in those in in every way. And and the best thing is just to see who he became after we had kids.
Like men, you unlock something. And I'm sure it comes from I'm a dad.
You know what I mean? Wow. I got to figure this thing out. And we have a lot of boys. So, I think there's even more
pressure applied of I now need to be the model of the father. Like, I'm a father.
Like, what kind of a father do I want to be? Because that's going to impact my boys. And he loves his dad. And I think
he felt the pressure of wanting to be who his dad was to him. And this pressure just created an an a diamond,
you know. So, he has just I'm just amazed at him. Like, he's just my my husband's good at everything, too. It's
he's just one of those people who has a brain for everything. I know what I'm good at. I'm good at communication. I'm good at writing. I understand marketing.
And but he can just learn any subject in a day and then suddenly fully comprehend it. I mean, you could talk to my husband about any subject. It's unbelievable.
So, I I don't know. I just I just adore him. I think that's kind of the secret is is is adoring the person. Um cuz it's
been it's been really easy for us, which sounds crazy because on the external it's like just a constant hurricane, a
constant tornado, but to see especially during the year of the Daily Wire stuff, how he just built it. It's like
understood the whole never podcasted, understood it, did the ads, redid the contracts, you know, all right, I got to figure this out, whatever. And just I
could have never survived that year without my husband. Wow. Yeah. He's a genius. He really is. Baby number five's on the way.
Five. I've just been in a constant state of pregnancy.
Like an elephant. Elephants are pregnant for 2 years. I feel like I've just been pregnant for a long time, but I'm I'm blessed with very easy pregnancies. And
we didn't realize how much we were going to love being parents, too. Like that was something that surprised us. I don't know. you hear so much about marriage,
be careful when you get married. And I feel like there's uh so much nonsense out there, like you're like you're walking a plank or
18 minutessomething. And I feel like my life began uh when I got married and when I had kids and we just our kids are just the best. My kids are awesome. Like I I mean
they're so funny and they're kind.
I know I sound like I'm biased, but I really do have the best kids. Someone has to have them, right? Someone has to have the best and it's me. And um we just [clears throat] love it.
We love being parents. Um the happiness that comes from it and the security that comes from it. Like they're getting security from you, but you're getting
real security from them and realizing suddenly what matters. It changes everything. And I laugh at that younger Candace who's like, "Whoa, this person
retweeted me. That's the goal. Whoa, I'm going to do this show tonight." And now it's how fast can I get home? Um,
[snorts]
so and so did this today. Like texting each other. Like the stories of like little conversations that watching
children contend with the world and try to reason and the oversimplification, the beauty of the oversimplification of a child's mind.
It's so special. It really is. And now I get to work from home because thank you
Daily Wire. [laughter] The blessing of that.
One thing I wasn't uh expecting to hear today is a thank you to the Daily Wire from Candace Owens.
I owe them so much. [laughter] I owe them so much for ripping the
carpet from under my feet in the most glorious way possible. I mean, God is always looking out. That I look back on
that and you just don't you just don't doubt what God's doing. Even things that you're like, "Why? Why? Why? Well, you're not meant to know right now,
Candace." And then God just showing me that he just was throwing me a lifeboat, you know? Now is a good time to get out
of there. [laughter] So, I have I have no regrets. Good for you. Yeah. Good for you.
Chapter 14: Daily Wire Fallout & Industry Pressure
You brought up uh I think it's Lexit. Mhm. What is Blexit?
Well, Blexit is what I was building alongside Charlie when because I was really focused on wanting to motivate black people to wake up the Democrat party. Okay.
And so that kind of happened in Kanye season. And then when I realized I did not want to do not for profofit and I loved podcasting, which I got to do with
PragerU, um I sold Blexit back to Turning Point USA because I also just couldn't do that at all. like I you know
was having getting after getting married and being pregnant I was like I don't want to do not for profofit and do a podcast and do all this stuff.
So it allowed me to focus on podcasting which I just found an act for. I really love conversing with people and communicating and um I got my dream job
so to speak right now because I get to do it for myself. And you did that with Brandon Tatum. Is that the former police officer? Mhm.
Are you guys still tight? You know, Brandon, I always say, is he's like a brother to me. And I think it's that same coming of age thing. He was there.
You know, Brandon, me, Charlie doing stuff together, building something. We obviously have very strong disagreements
on Zionism and Israel and how Charlie Kirk died. And I need to
be able to sit down face to face with him, which has been hard. uh just because we're on opposite sides of the of the and we've spoken on the phone a
few times, but like then he's got like I'm stepping into dinner and you know um I have a very very strict policy about
when you have a real relationship with somebody doing stuff for the public and there's a lot that I I need to talk to Brandon
about, you know, I need to try to understand where he's at and I'm sure he feels the same way.
Well, that's good to hear. Yeah, it's good to hear that somebody can disagree with you and [snorts] still be friends.
Well, it was it was just a real relationship, you know, and like you my family loves Brandon. Like, so it's
you I think you're less of a person when you allow politics to decide who you're
friends with. And I have felt that test real close [clears throat] to the fire with the Kanye stuff. um what Daily Wire
put me through behind the scenes wanting me to like make a public statement about him and I didn't do it and they took
millions away from me. You know, they they literally had money on the table.
Um what do you mean?
It's actually one of the funniest things because the former CEO has just been on like a podcast tour just making up like
it's almost fantasy stories about me, but I guess no one wants to book him unless he does it.
Jeremy Boring. Yeah, it's been it's been the most pathetic thing. I don't even reply anymore cuz everyone in the comments just like you are.
I'll tell you like some of my favorite recent pastimes are hearing the stories
of Jeremy Boring running around the [ __ ] Daily Wire with a baseball bat getting hair and makeup done. That's all true.
Yeah, cuz he's not he wasn't even on camera, right? No.
And he would get his hair and makeup done. [laughter] Yeah, that's that is all 1,000% true.
The stories any stories you hear about him, as loony as it sounds, it's all very real. It's he's he was a total nut case.
It's like I was telling you at breakfast when I when I hear the sto I don't want to mention anybody's names cuz I don't want to throw anybody under the bus, but it's it sounds like the '9s movie, The Office Space.
It's like identical.
It is a sitcom. It's weird. Like you look back on it and you're just sort of and everyone will tell you. I mean, they're just this is what he did. He'd get he'd come in and have people wash
his hair plugs and do his makeup and style him to be the CEO. Just to go into his office and be the CEO.
Everywhere I go, people are talking about Jeremy Boring and Ben Shapiro because suddenly right around Nashville, there's all these unemployed Daily Wire
24 minutespeople running around and they're [ __ ] pissed.
Yeah. Because it didn't they're talking a lot.
Yeah. [laughter] It's a It's like Because it didn't have to be like that, I think. also. And it's he just ran it like a cult. It was very strange. I
mean, he's just not a real person, I guess, is the best way. He's a character. It's like a cartoon character. And but one of the funniest reimaginations is like because no one wants to book him. He has nothing to
talk about. He has no talent. Um he sort of does this thing where he's just he's just been like on a year tour of my worst regret is like hiring Candace
Owens. And yet it's all he can talk about.
I I can't believe the [ __ ] they pulled with Brett Cooper.
Oh yeah. Like what what was how old was Brett when she left? They're like
[ __ ]
20 21 22. Yeah. Yeah.
You you treat a 21year-old woman girl like that. What the [ __ ] is the problem, man?
She wanted to leave. How do you leave a cult? We got to destroy you on the way out.
I mean, they would just [ __ ] torment her every day. Every [ __ ] day.
I hope I I I'm assuming she opened up to you uh about what went on legally. I mean, somebody did.
Jeremy did that personally. I mean, he's he's vicious. He's he's, you know, closeted gay man. Um, and he is
extraordinarily vicious. So, uh, to see him try to sort of reintroduce himself.
Um, [snorts] when I hear the story about I don't know if it was the day after you left or the or when you got fired or whatever
[laughter]
and they had everybody come out and they're like, "Nobody [ __ ] cheer." And then they come out and everybody cheers like, "Shut stop cheering." Yeah. No clapping. I've heard the radio.
Everyone was like, "It was totally nutty." But if you know Jeremy, that's Jeremy. He always has to build a stage and give a performance of everything, including a firing. Like it's like it's it's totally it is a sitcom.
I think they ran around and took everybody's phones and [ __ ] too. Maybe they made them keep their phones at
26 minutestheir desks and it was described to me like an episode of Arrested Development.
[laughter]
He like had the stylist coming out and like matching his shirt to the lights.
It's totally wacky, but all the stories are real. This is how he ran the company. It was in right into the ground, by the way, I should add. But it's funny to reflect on because he's
just he's so irrelevant now it doesn't even matter. So we just kind of all share stories about this wacky person who pretended to be a CEO for a while.
Just desperately [snorts] wants to be famous and he'll um he doesn't have it. You know, you just don't have it, buddy.
You know, uh I just I love watching people that treat people like that just get [ __ ] destroyed. Yeah. Destroyed.
Yeah. Because you need you need friends. He'll never do anything big ever again.
No. And he knows that. Which is why his new show On the Road is Oh, he has a he has a new show called On the Road.
No, but basically he just books media to talk about me. It's bonkers.
It's And how I'm the worst decision he ever made. And obviously the public sees that for what it is. It's just pathetic.
And um but he he reimagined reimagines me too. So he pretends he had because why are they going to book him? Like nobody wants to book him. Yeah.
And so he says, "Well, you know, Candace once told me a secret, like a secret that she would do [laughter] she would do anything for money." That's how he tried to launch his podcast,
saying that I told him I would do anything for money. And it's the literal exact opposite of what happened at the Daily Wire. It's like the ex like the
exact opposite experience he had for me when Kanye tweeted um Defcon 3 or whatever. I had nothing to do with it. I wasn't there when he tweeted it. I
wasn't with him. But because I was friends with him, this was like the cancellation of Kanye. They were putting pressure on me to make a statement about him and I didn't do it and I didn't want
to do it. And it led to a moment where I was brought into a conference room and my husband was there and both of the co-CEOs, it was Jeremy and um Caleb
Robinson, who's a bit he's more serious of a person than Jeremy, you know, uh were yelling in a conference room like like why won't you just say this and
make it easy? don't you understand like the pressure that it puts on Ben and like his network of people who feel
threatened by this or whatever? And I refused to do it. I said, you know, I think you guys will reflect on this.
Most people see me as like a formidable enemy, but I'm more a more formidable friend. I'm not going to step on his head while he's drowning. And so Jeremy
basically said, "Okay, well, here's what we're going to do. We need to build trust with you." So I had signed a I want to say it was a seven-year contract. I could go back and get the
exact specs of it. and we were like two years into the contract or something like that and they shaved off like five
years of my contract. So I lost millions of guaranteed dollars and they basically
were like or you could just say a statement about Kanye. Didn't do it. Took took the money back.
And so it was the exact opposite experience you had with me that I would not say things for money. And I have the
whole that what's so wacky is like I have the whole email chain. It's like this all happened with lawyers. They changed the contract, the negotiations,
all of this stuff. And I was penalized for what Kanye said. What Kanye tweeted cost me millions of dollars.
And uh zero regrets. That's not the person I am. I I am. I won't I won't say things for money. I I I cannot be made
to dance for money. And um I think that frustrated them. That deeply frustrated them. I have to believe what I'm saying.
And so even if I get things wrong, and of course I get things wrong because I'm a human. Uh I am never intentionally
lying or telling people something because somebody is funding me to say it. Mhm.
I genuinely was wrong about my prior positions on Israel or I was genuinely just not educated and I was okay with
it. I genuinely had no idea what was going on in Palestine. The moment I became educated about was what was happening when it became a hot button issue and I was like let me focus and
see what this is actually about. Uh I picked the right side and I spoke out and I said something and again ended up
costing me a job. So like [laughter] I was making good money at a Daily Wire. I had no job that I was jumping on to.
So to go around and say that Candace will say anything for money, you literally fired me because I wouldn't say anything for money. So, it's it's
it's really weird to sort of see him try to like rewrite who I am. Uh, but it's, you know, it's not it's also
ineffectual. So, he's just a cartoon character.
Jeez. What What was it that eventually did get you Did you get fired or did you quit?
I got fired. The stage was built, remember? And they It was a production. They put together a video. A video.
They put a [ __ ] video to Do you have access to it? Uh, well, eventually Jeremy posted it cuz I think he thought people were going to go, "Wow, you're amazing." Are you It's out. It's on the internet.
Yeah, you can watch it of the what the he how he presented.
So, all these [ __ ] stories that I've heard about the day he got fired in the presentation. I can actually go watch it.
I can Yeah, I think Steven Crowder released it or something. I I think
[laughter]
it it got released somehow. And you know, we're putting that in your preview.
You You have to. I mean, it was totally they played like one of the re reasons they listed for my firing cuz they just
it was basically a thousand different ways that you've been anti-semitic.
They meaning the the PR person at Daily Wire told me to go on this show
that had a DJ that just makes sound effects. And when the me and the person were speaking about Ben Shapiro, a sound
of a cash register went off. And they thought that that was like pre-planned anti-semitism.
The kaching sound effect.
[laughter]
My Oh wow. One of the reasons I got fired. Are you serious?
Of a random show playing a cash register. Cash register sound. I mean the whole show. But actually I think actually I was told that it was uh money
32 minutesthat came in actually cuz they have a live it's the Shopify sound.
Yeah. Like it was like a live thing where it's a live show. So, there's so many sounds. They have a DJ. I mean, I'm a I couldn't have told you that this
happened. And the whole time there's a cash register sound going, but also the sound went off when we were talking about Ben. And so, that was listed as a reason for my firing.
How did they do it? Did they [snorts] Did they It was just an email. I was about to hit the stage at Turning Point USA cuz I was on tour as I always am with them. And so
I was juggling both and I just got an email and they listed I think it was like
I want to say it was 30 pages or it could have been 30 reasons. And I I actually laughed when I was reading it
cuz it it was so crazy like it was like so far beyond how they could interpret symptoms. I'm like that it it only a
person who was in a sitcom could have come up with this. Like I I was shocked they put it in writing. That was my like because first I was like, whoa, what am I being fired for? And then as they
started listing the reasons that things like the first three pages were uh Nick Fuentes, it was just Nick Fuentes. I've
never spoken to Nick Fuentes. Like I spoke to him literally one time prior to along, do you?
No, but they had a whole conspiracy that I was secretly working with Nick Fuentes uh and Tucker Carlson to bring down the Daily Wire and they brought me into the
office and questioned me about that close to the end. And I was like, I don't know what you guys talking about.
Like there there was there was a mental unwwellness that was happening at that company. And was Tucker even independent at that time?
He had just gone independent. So I think this is what like they have a very severe obsession with Tucker. That was apparent to me when I was at the
company. Like I mean I don't know what it is. There's something about Tucker that Jeremy and Ben are very obsessed with. And I don't know if it's cuz he's
just cool. [laughter] You know, there's an envy. And they were they had convinced themselves that I was somehow
working behind the scenes to bring down the Daily Wire to go work for Tucker.
And that's because that's what they did to Breitbart. So they were accusing me of what they had done to a company prior, right? They had quietly been
building Daily Wire. They then created a scandal, a fake scandal with Michelle Fields and then they took all of the all of Breitbart's uh subscribers with them.
So what was the fake scandal?
They the Michelle Fields like Corey Luwendowski hit me and I was bruised.
That whole scandal as I was told was thought up by Ben Shapiro and his best friend who was Michelle Field's husband Jamie Weinstein uh to help them launch
Daily Wire. So this is what a [ __ ] turd. This is the story of McBth. Yeah.
This is the story of McBth. You go around killing people and then you're paranoid that someone's trying to kill you. Yeah.
I was 8 months pregnant. I'm a very loyal person. even if you don't deserve my loyalty, if I'm working for your company, I'm working for your company.
I'm not trying to snipe you. I'm not doing anything. It's just it's not my personality. I'll just quit. You know what I mean? And they brought me into an office and questioned me about this uh
35 minutesTucker Carlson conspiracy. And they asked me if I they he told me explicitly that they thought that I was working
with Nick Fentes. And I just was so confused. I I I thought someone's gone.
How much time did you have at the Daily Wire? left or how much? No, just all together.
Was it there for three years, I think? I think.
How long did this happen after the Kanye incident where they they wanted you to It was the following. It was kind of exactly a year later. Um, and so, but it
was right after October 7th is when they got super wacky. And I think they were wanting me to kind of like pledge allegiance to Israel publicly, and I
just wasn't going to do that. And so, it became an issue. They had financial pressure because Jeremy was you know, doing Pen Dragon, which cost them over
$60 million. The reports on that have been completely inaccurate of how how much that passion project of Jeremy's um
harmed the company. And um he was just he was there's the only way to describe him is maniacal. Anybody who works at Daily Wire will tell you that he was
just utterly maniacal and he's obsessive. Um and so yeah, they built the state. And by the
way, when I sat down with them like a week prior to them firing me and we had hashed things out and they had said to me, "Well, we thought you were secretly
plotting." And I was like, "This is mental unwellness." And I said, "Look, if post October 7th things have changed, like I obviously
understand this is Ben's a partner of the company and you guys want to separate, let you know, let me and Ben talk each other like human beings." Like, I'm happy to do that. I'm happy to
like you don't spend 3 years at a company and want things to end badly. So I I presented Jeremy with that option of me just leaving peacefully. We could
have I was we can figure out how to like unwind, issue a nice statement, but Jeremy has a flare for drama. He h he has to build a stage. He has to do it.
He has to make it over the top. And so they hatched this remarkable plan to Christ is king is anti-Semitic.
Chapter 15: Lawsuits, Censorship & Public Smears
And did they really say that?
Yes. [laughter] I I'm I mean, don't be offended, but I always thought you kind of manufactured that.
Oh, no. Andrew Claven did a full episode entitled like Christ is King after we announced that I was separated and he
just like completely disparaged me for an hour. Andrew Claven and I was so shocked because we had signed a non-disparagement and their lawyers came
back and were essentially like jokes on you.
Tricky contract clause. We said that none of the talent or none of the uh employees would disparrage you, but
Andrew Claven isn't actually an employee. He's a contractor. So, they had plotted to sign this agreement. We
go our separate ways, but then they were going to allow Andrew Claven to publicly say something and then said I couldn't say anything back and but it backfired
because they did this during Lent. And people watched the episode and went, "What?" [laughter] And so then, so this gets even better.
So then it backfires. My my my hand is tied behind my back. I can't say anything or but they still because they
lost tens of thousands of subscribers to Andrew Clayven doing an episode calling
me anti-Semitic over Crisis King. Um they then sued me for them attacking me. So Jeremy, which
is really funny because a couple days ago he went on to Patrick back David and said, "We had the most subscribers ever
after Candace left. You literally sued me and I have the documents of your sworn affidavit saying the opposite." [laughter] Like it's the way he lies.
He's just maniacal. You can't even make it up. So, but he sued me um and said that they lost tens of thousands of dollars. I mean tens of thousands of
subscribers. Literally, I just said, tens of thousands of subscribers over the Crisis King thing, which caused their company financial harm. They sued me for their attack on me backfiring.
Try to work that out. Wow. Wow.
And their evidence of why it was actually my fault was because I couldn't say anything about Andrew Clayven, but I uh Jeremy then stalked my likes on
Twitter and people that were defending me, I was liking the tweets. He brought that into court and said the likes are disparaging. Does this [ __ ] hold up?
They ended up eventually, let me tell you the blessing of the way God works.
Um, so we were being sued. They wanted millions of dollars for my likes, literally my likes on Twitter. And so basically they were going to get every
bit that they we agreed to walk away and I wanted them to pay me out what was due. Um, and they were figured they'd just claw it in court because Jeremy's a
homosexual psychopath and he will like focus on that. And uh they were like trying to tell the judge that likes
amount to disparagement. And [snorts] um a blessing occurs. You you cannot make this up cuz they are like cartoon characters.
My lawyer gets a call and I want to say it was Labor Day weekend. It might have been what would be before Labor Day. I feel like it was sometime in August, but I feel like it was Labor Day weekend.
And my lawyer on the case was like in a bar. He had had a couple of beers and [snorts] um he said he comes out and
like Daily Wire's lawyer calls him and he's like freaking out on the phone and he's like she pulled her he's like he's like she pulled her contract. She pulled
her contract and you knew blah blah blah. And my lawyer's like dude what are you talking about? Like you mean she pulled her contract? You guys fired her?
And he's like you're going to pretend you don't know. And and my lawyer Rob is like what happened? Like what a kid is do like what happened? And he's like,
"We're talking about Brett." So these geniuses thought that I had something to do with Brett pulling her contract, and
they were the ones who told me that Brett pulled her contract. Oh, it was it was brilliant. The whole thing was just amazing. So I had no idea that Brett had done this, obviously, cuz I had nothing to do with it.
Um, and she pulled her contract and then they because they were so in their conspiracy mind, thought I had something to do with it, their lawyer then
informed me that Brett pulled her contract. And so that's how I found out that Brett was leaving the Daily Wire from their own lawyer.
[ __ ] How long after you left did Brett leave?
Brett, but she she ended up it ended up saving me in this court thing the first time. They ended up suing me again and then Brett again. They It was non-stop
lawsuits all the time. Uh but because Brett it was such a shock to everyone, myself included, they then suddenly had like a two-front war, you know what I
mean? Like they were fighting me in court and then suddenly like Jeremy was going to put Brett in a torture chamber.
Um and uh they I guess decided to just for the first lawsuit we decided to
agree and walk away. But then they found another reason to sue me again. And that was because I saw red when I saw them doing what they did to me to Brett. They were going to they tried the same thing.
They were going to go with anti-semitism.
Brett Cooper. I mean this girl does like pop culture videos and but it's tried and true. So they started stalking her likes and exact
same thing. getting their friends to write articles like what's happening to Brett Cooper? She liked this tweet and I
defended her and when I when he did the thing with her best the thing with her best friend as a way to torture her that cuz that's what that was. That's how he
is. He's he's unwell. Um but because it's like you don't leave my cult and you're a piece of property to me, I'm
going to make you suffer. And he went to her wedding. He went to Brett's wedding.
Knew Reagan was her best friend. knew that Reagan was her maid of honor and thought through kidding me, dude.
And here's what the most effed up part, and I apologize in advance for me having absolutely zero permission from Brett, but we're already on the show, so I
can't say anything. I I can't go backward. Um, sometimes I feel like I'm not on air and I kind of forget that all this is going Do you know that's kind of
the problem with podcasts is sometimes you're just I'm just talking to you.
43 minutesSometimes you get a little I'm just talking to you in your living room now.
Yeah. And and this will be obviously very viral, but the most eff part of it um and I actually think both of the
girls were victimized by it. I want to be clear. Like I I don't like what Reagan did, but these were two young girls, like you know, young and they
were best friends. And there was just a maniacal homosexual man doing this because he wanted Brett to suffer for just leaving a job. Like, hey, I'm 22.
No matter what my reason is, I should be able to leave a job.
Uh, he offered Reagan more money than he ever paid Brett.
Great business decision. Worked out really well.
He offered you can't refuse sort of a thing, which would have been life-changing. So, who knows what her life pressures were or she and this is
me being gracious. Uh, because I'm not a fan of that. I don't like when girls I wouldn't have done it. I tell you that for free. Um, but I'm built a little
different. Um, but you can see how that kind of money in front of someone who's just like an associate producer and suddenly someone's like, "And I don't
want to make you a star. I'll do this." And um, and he did that for sport cuz he wanted to hurt her. And it hurt it hurt her by the way. He was successful. That
was a relationship that meant a lot to her.
Um, and that's not something This is something you hear like a deranged husband doing to a wife after
a divorce. You know what I mean? about like how will I make her suffer and like using the kids as a chip in the middle of the divorce. This isn't something you
hear about a a CEO and a 22-year-old girl who wants to leave because she wants to have kids and he doesn't think it's a good idea, you know, for you to
have kids. That's like and so I stood up for her and then I got sued for standing up for her publicly.
Zero regrets. I actually um as we were approaching the court date, I told my lawyers, I'm not going to lie to the judge, if they want to know, did I do an
episode defending Brett Cooper? And I think he wanted some every time they had dinged me, they wanted 300K for every
offense. And I think for that episode, they wanted a million dollars for me defending Brett. [snorts] Um or 300K for that episode.
I said I was just going to pay it. And I said I would have um I would have hung it up on a wall and showed my kids, stand up for something.
Money is just money. And I would have said to the judge, "Yep, I consciously made that was the one time where they were coming after me for something that could have violated disparagement
because I was sickened by what he did to her.
Good for you." Yeah, that's a real friend.
Money's on everything in life. You know what I mean? Yep.
She's so young. It's just like give it to me. You know what I mean? I felt so like and I wasn't actually close to Brett at the Daily Wire. We got close
after because of dealing with lawsuits and he sued her over wearing a blue shirt. I mean, he was he's a total like someone said it so perfectly online.
Why would the Israeli wire sue somebody for wearing a blue I mean the Daily Wire sue somebody for [laughter] wearing a blue shirt?
46 minutesThey're Well, it was all about It's all about the suffering of the lawsuit, right? It's not about whether or not they can win. It's about knowing that she she doesn't have this money. you're
going to sue her 100K, 300K for wearing a blue shirt. And so what happened, this really gets you into the mind of how
Jeremy Boring works. On her last day, they did a joint announcement that was really weird and everyone could tell
that something more was happening, but um they had agreed whatever the language is. And so Jeremy did a like Brett's
been great and then it kind of cut to Brett. I remember watching being like this is weird. And obviously your audience can sniff it out in .
They're growing with you. They know you.
They're here. It's called the Brett Cooper show, right? And they could sense um that something was coming or whatever
it was. But on that day, she wore a blue shirt is all I know is that she wore a blue shirt during that announcement. And it turned out that previously someone in
the comments, because I told you he stalks comments. That's his thing. he's a true like stalker in the comments had said, "Brett, if you're under an NDA,
wear a blue shirt." So, he extrapolated from that that she must have intentionally worn a blue shirt, which
is completely wacky and you're wearing a blue shirt. If you're not wearing a blue shirt three times a week, like we're not talking about a maroon shirt. Like, this
is a like white, black, blue, I feel like everyone wears three times a week.
So, then he found a reason to cuz he he never wants you to leave, right? So you then you sue and then you're behind the scenes and you're fighting them because it's a way to hold on to a relationship.
And so it's a legal form of stalking.
And so I'm actually quite passionate about it and I hope that one day with my platform I can get laws changed because it allows psychopathic men to stalk
women legally because they go, "Well, I have a contract and I can interpret anything as disparagement, even a shirt, a like on Twitter. So I can now keep you
in court and keep you tied to me for years." And that's what he did to me. It never stopped. As soon as it stopped, he's now doing tours, still talking. So,
48 minutesit's been a non-stop stalk from him. And he did the same thing to Brett. So, it's like you can never you can never leave sort of a thing.
Holy [ __ ] But they that's what there are laws that need to be changed about arbitration court cuz that's what arbitration gives them the comfort of doing. He would have
never brought that lawsuit in a public court because that would have humiliated him and people would have read and realized that something's deranged about him. They realize that now just on the
basis of the amount of interviews he's given about me that people are now going this is starting to feel obsessive with Jeremy give him a stage and he'll reveal
himself. So I don't mind him doing all those interviews but um to have to suffer that in arbitration court and to not be able to speak that is laws have to change.
Who legal who's interviewing him? I mean what what's the interest?
Me. [laughter] You're interviewing a failed businessman.
Like [gasps] the Israeli wire is like Yeah. And it's because they're buying views. They're buying [ __ ] views.
Yeah. And it's because of him, you know, that investment in his childhood dream pen dragon. Uh I I you not he's not
right in the head. So with someone like that, he just thinks he's going to build something. And I mean, it doesn't sound like any of them are right in the head. And they
sure as [ __ ] don't learn any lessons. I mean, no.
They're trying to get you to speak out against Kanye. And then fast forward what a couple years and now they're trying to get Megan Kelly to speak out against you and I think Tucker, right?
Like she's the internet mom or something. And it's so crazy because it wasn't like Megan was platforming me.
That's what was so strange. Like their attacks against her was especially psychotic because they were just going,
"Hey, it's Tuesday. We're going to need you to make a statement about Can." She's like, "Wait, why do I have to make a scene about Can I? I don't know Kenneth Owens. I don't like I don't I haven't had her on." I think she
literally had me on her radio show one time years ago when I was at the Daily Wire [snorts] promoting uh The Greatest Lie Ever Sold.
I've never done that at the Megan Kelly show. And uh they just that they're tribal. So it's like, well, because we said so. Because we said so, you need to
say something about Coswins. And she's like, I'm not going to do that. Yeah.
Cuz that diminishes me as a person. That makes Megan look weak. That means she's not in the driver's seat of her own life. And then they start applying the
pressure. or the mafia starts to come in and they'll start uh putting bots in your comments, having people stalk you,
talking about you every single day, trying to ruin your reputation, having people email. Uh they even have like email bots where they can uh have 3,000
fake emails go out and try to stop wherever you're speaking like don't toast this person, she's Adolf Hitler and just creating trouble in your life
and you can see their new fixation is Megan Kelly 3,000 bots.
Yeah. At events that I speak at, I have to pre-tell people that if you announce me as a speaker, you're going to start getting a bunch of emails and you're
going to think they're from real people and they're not. They're just bots. And now that we can read the far dos, they're honest about the fact that they control these like Israeli bots in the
comment sections on Instagram and on Facebook to make people So the Israeli wire also has an Israeli bot farm. Well, I don't know if they are
orchestrating it, but I know that they have their accounts that they pay and Seth Dylan helps out with that with people that they pay to just like stalk all day online and it's all about
creating an illusion of pressure and it's not real. Obviously, the majority of Americans don't support what Israel is doing and don't support Israel. So, they have to create fake people
and um you can read the Faradox of the Clockwork LLC and it's totally insane.

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They're just they have admitting what they're doing. Um, yeah, it really is something to behold.
But that's what they're putting Megan Kelly through and she's proven to be very tough and they're also angry at her because she told the truth, which
surprised me, by the way, and I have such deep respect for her over it. She was one of the few people who stood up and told the truth about what Charlie was going through in the end as all of
his friends lied about the pressure, including his wife, about the pressure he was under by Israel. They lied. And
Megan had was one of the last people to speak with him on her show and he opened up to her and told her everything he was going through and she just
told the truth. That's it. That was her crime.
Man, what a major miscalculation of your own strength. Mhm.
Wow. Wow. They [snorts] just never [ __ ] learn over there. I mean, they're going to tank that entire I mean, I don't think there's any coming
back from this, but No. I mean, what they're getting like 1.2,000 views a video. It's [ __ ] crazy.
Yeah, it's I think it's a I mean, are you allowed to have any like criticism of Israel over there?
No, clearly not. I said genocide is always wrong.
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And I was getting text messages of people trying to convince me that I had done something truly crazy. And I wasn't
even talking about Israel. I was talking about Brian Mass. He wore an IDF uniform uh into Congress and said, I'm trying to
remember, but he basically said, "There's no such thing as an innocent Palestinian." And it was completely genocidal. And I saw a tweet from Yashar
Ali about it. And I was in Madrid at the time at a wedding and I tweeted, "Genocide, no matter who it, you know,
genocide no matter who it comes from, is always wrong." And they wanted me to apologize. like apologize. Apologize to who?
To understand how that hurt Israel because people assumed that I was referring to Israel and I was like,
"Okay, let's say I wasn't referring to Israel." Like, genocide is always wrong.
It actually applies all the time. But I was referring specifically to Brian Mass and they tried to tell me that um it didn't matter that Ben's friends thought
I was talking about Israel. So basically, if somebody else has an idea, I'm responsible for it. Even when I
54 minutesbelieve exactly what I tweeted, genocide is always wrong. I said what I meant. I didn't know I had to say in small print.
This tweet is obviously referencing Brian Mass, who is trending right now for wearing an IDF uniform. Like the tweet is a standalone tweet. Genocide is always wrong.
Jeez.
I think it's just they were a little insecure because they were planning a genocide. So now we can see why that tweet really got under. It looks like they're planning another one.
You seen this tweet that came out? I texted it to you on the way here from breakfast. This is the Israeli Minister of National Security. Have you read this [ __ ] Let me read it to you.
For every terror of an Israeli mother, a thousand Lebanese mothers must weep. All of Lebanon must burn. With all due
respect to the Americans, Israel must make it clear to the entire world that the blood of our sons and the security
of our citizens are not forfeit. All of Lebanon must burn. Our supreme duty is to protect the citizens of Israel and
the soldiers of the IDF. And this commitment takes precedence over every other consideration. I told the prime
minister, even in our private meetings, for every tear of an Israeli mother, a thousand Lebanese must weep. Enough with
the pingpong. In the Middle East, you don't win with measured responses and restraint. You need to go berserk to obliterate to crush the terror.
Yeah, sounds like another genocide's on the way.
Yeah, he's a total psychopath. But they all are. That's the point. The government is being run by psychopaths.
And I think people need to realize that what they are doing to the Palestinians, to the Lebanese people, they will do to us. They will they will do to us. They will torture your kids. They don't care.
I mean, this is in the pocket what of the goyam. All of that was a conspiracy until we suddenly had access to Jeffrey Epste's email.
What does [ __ ] mean? Cattle. Cat. Nation. Cattle.
Just cattle. You know, slaves.
Yeah. So, they're okay with you so long as you're Because they say it means nation.
Mm-m. It does not mean nation. the last gro it means nation. Really?
Means cattle. Um, and so they're Yeah. [laughter] Yeah.
I've never heard anybody call a [ __ ] nation ago. Have you?
No. No. It's that's that's completely made up. And that is not even some I'm surprised that's a new updated thing they're trying to lie
about. But they try to constantly bury history even from five weeks ago. Um, I saw I saw somebody they tried to correct I I think I tweeted something
about about it and they're like I asked Ro Kana when he was here. I said, "What's a [ __ ] ro?" And he didn't know. Yeah, it's cattle.
So, we told him and uh and then that clip went crazy.
Yeah. This is Everybody's telling me that means nation. Oh, yeah. Nation. He's a good boy. Yeah.
There will be a lot of boy there. There will be a lot of nation there. We read the context of his emails, but like also that's kind of weird. All of their literature, it's not difficult to find out what [ __ ] means. It's cattle. And
their perspective is like to the extent that they can get us to work for them, we're fine. Yeah.
And if we won't work for them, then we have to be obliterated.
They like to they do the Grock thing where they're like, "Grock, what does [ __ ] mean?" And it'll say, I don't know what it says.
But then I'll just go over to Claude and I'll ask Claude, "What does [ __ ] mean?" Yep.
And it Yeah. It's It's a derogatory comment towards anybody that's not Jewish. Yes. It's And you know that it's racist.
It's a fundamentally racist racist against Christians.
It is. And there's a real um I mean they're raised to believe that their
life matters more. So Ben Gavir, you have to appreciate that he's being honest.
Well, I mean you can see it all over his [ __ ] face. He thinks he's more important than everybody.
That's their perspective. Like that's what October 7th proved. they have a right to commit a genocide now even though they plotted it October 7th and
and BB Netanyahu allowed it to happen and all the evidence shows that the whole point is that they and they've been doing this forever these false flag
attacks. This is the whole history of Israel is false flag attacks. I mean look at the USS Liberty and they still deny what they did. [snorts] um deny in
the face of overwhelming evidence that it's they believe it is their birthright to mass murder, steal, kill, and rape,
take from people, destroy heritage, and then reintroduce themselves in other societies with all this wealth that they stole. Um and say that it's cuz they
worked hard. Yeah. They worked hard murdering people and stealing and running the goolog system. And what's the goolog system? Russia, you
know, the the Bolevik revolution, the Romanovs, who who the diamonds that they stole uh from the Romanov family after they murdered them in satanic ritual.
Those diamonds ended up in New York, by the way. Like, look, you you know what you should do in your spare time? Look into Armond Hammer. You know, Army Hammer, the actor.
Look into his family's history. Look into Julius Hammer. Uh look into Arand Hammer. arm and hammer. What their what
their family did when they came over from the Paleo settlement in Russia. Um Lenin's Lenin's quote unquote favorite Jew, even though Lenin himself was
Jewish. Um they he took diamonds, established the diamond district.
Well, who were they getting the diamonds from in Russia? I mean, they were mass murdering Christians. So, this is what do you think is going to happen? They
just destroyed all of Palestine. Do you think there was no wealth there, no jewelry, no diamonds? And and you see
when you see the Israeli settlers go in and pillage, if you've seen these videos, just they just take their land.
That's how it's always been. They just run in and they take your land. It's theirs now. Thugs, they're being trained to do that. Like cockroaches, like
watching cockroaches descend. Truly. Um and that's the only way you can describe it when you see the videos. It's disgusting. It's the most and they beat
these people and they take their land and that's it. It's all theirs now.
Well, there's going to be a big is it is there going to be a big Trump hotel there now?
Well, that was Trump himself tweeted the the Trump resort whatever it was of like this is what Gaza could be. It was the most despicable thing that I've ever
seen. You wonder who tweeted it because Trump doesn't know how to use AI. He's not authoring his own tweets.
Um it was it was absolutely tasteless.
But did you see what what was that thing that he posted about him being Jesus? Who was who what was that? Oh, he didn't know that.
Oh, yeah. He didn't [ __ ] know. He didn't know there was [ __ ] demons in the sky either, right? What do you What was that?
Just more of the really gross stuff that Are they just mocking Christians or what? Like, what is this?
Well, they they hate Christians. They are taught to hate Christians. They spit on our children.
You think Trump hates Christians? They train their children to spit.
I don't I don't think he loves us cuz that's that's He's the one that posted it.
Yeah. I mean, Trump's never pretended to be a Christian. Um I think he's been
pretty open about the fact that he certainly favors Israel. Like he's got a 99% approval rating over
Mhm. He Well, I think he's also said several times he doesn't think he's going to heaven. Yeah, I think he's kind of made his bed.
I don't think he's going to heaven either. If it means anything, I don't get to decide, but I don't just objectively looking at everything. I just wouldn't I wouldn't bet on him in heaven either.
You want people to change. You hope they change, but it's kind of hard. I mean, just see what's going on there to imagine that that's a ticket to heaven, you know?
Yeah. But he's allowing to happen.
It's like he's obsessed with earthly riches and he's got such short time to live. You'd think that toward the you'd hope that toward the end of your life you would want to write wrongs and be a
2 minutesgood person. Um because you know you're going to meet your maker soon. So that's one of the more stunning things is like Trump's going to die soon just because he's going to die soon. He's in his 80s.
That's how it works. Joe Biden's going to die soon. They're all going to die soon. So it's usually a good time to not be evil.
Try to get right with God. I don't know.
final stretch try to sprint. You try to sprint last stretch and it's interesting to see
Trump sort of do the opposite and I just go, "Okay, that's interesting.
[laughter]
[snorts]
Man, I don't even wish any ill toward Trump. I don't have any anger.
I just It's worse. It's pity. You don't have any anger. I pity him.
I pity a man who has relinquished what was a real power. People loved him,
believed in him, you know, thought that he could change things. I pity for earthly riches.
Yeah.
To give that up. I don't know. And that that will be his legacy. I always pity weak men.
I always pity weak men because I just think there is something so natural
in the way that God designed it for men to lead, for men to be strong, for men to be forthright. And so when you see
men that are weak, it does draw from me frustration, but also pity. That's not that's not what God designed you to be, you know.
I almost wish I had pity for him, but I just don't.
Yeah, he's in How do you not? He's a slave.
He's had all this stuff and he's a slave because he's a voluntary slave. He made the [ __ ] decision. He made the decision.
Forced into it. He's a greedy piece of
[ __ ]
He just wanted to be president and he he was shortsighted.
I think he's living in a prison every day.
I [ __ ] hope he is. you know, he's not loved and that matters to him.
And I don't know. I just
I don't think I'm angry with him. No, I think I'm just equal parts disgusted. I think it's pitiful.
That's what I mean when you going back to the question you first asked me, what's it like having the I'm like I even forgot that's how powerless he's
become. It It's not even something I hold on to a couple of weeks later. Just poor Trump, you know. Poor Trump.
Poor Trump.
[snorts]
5 minutesI got a hot question for you. So, we had Claude scrape the internet for the most viral question. And here it is.
[clears throat]
This week, a activist leaked the membership of Dialogue, a secret invitationonly society Peter Teal
founded in 2006 with a roster that reportedly includes a sitting treasury
secretary, senators, and military and intelligence officials. So, here's the question. Have you looked into this at all? And what's your take?
What's the group called? Did they find out the name? Dialogue. Oh, it's called dialogue.
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I mean, my general instinct on Peter Teal is no.
His name is an anagram for the reptile.
I just It's a no. He's appears in the Epstein files so much after lying to Joe Rogan and saying like, "Oh, I just heard
me with some math stuff." Uh, it was weird. The emails are weird. It seems like they're like meeting up for diances and all across New York City. It's just
weird. It's very strange the emails and I just it's a hard no. But also I think I had my opinion colored because Dave
Rubin told me about how he partied with him on his island. He also has an island by the way. [laughter] Who does?
Um Peter Teal Dave Rubin. Mhm.
And Dave Rubin told me the story that still lives inside of me.
Um and he'll deny it, but Peter Teal will hear this and know I'm telling the truth because I couldn't have known it otherwise. But him and his husband
went to Peter Tilliel's Island, which is in like off the coast of Hawaii. He just kind of bought an island. This is what you do at a certain level. And he has
his house on it. And he I guess got to an age where he realized that like he needed somewhere to dump his wealth. So he decided to have a kid, you know, got
a surrogate, whatever. And he said it was the weirdest thing because once his son was born, they all were there on the
island. And Peter Teal is building a house next door for the nannies to raise
the child. And he said when they brought the child around the table at his house, they basically like the servants were
like presenting the child and Peter was just sort of like looking at [snorts] the child like yes, yeah, there he is.
Or whatever. And it was like very strange and detached and that uh you know they partied with Peter Teal.
I'm going to leave it at that. But I had my opinions about who Peter Teal is were was shaped about by Dave Rubin. It's not
a guy that I want in authority to make any decisions whatsoever. That's a dark dark dark future.
They just released a [ __ ] ton of names that are in this thing. Have you seen this yet? I think they did it while we were sitting in here. I just saw it on
the last break. We'll put them we'll put the names up on screen right now so everybody can read them. Here's a follow-up question. Across everything
you've dug into, true crime, cults, criminal networks, what's the single most disturbing thing you've found that you actually believe is real?
You come across some dark [ __ ] So, yeah. I mean, the understanding the
pedophilia, that's all real. It's all real. It's a cult worship. Um, and it goes back to like they believe in sex
magic and sex magic.
Sex magic. You could get into like Alistister Crowley, all that's real. I mean, he wrote books about it. It's not like they were trying to hide it, but these are the elites. Like, these were not these aren't people that are at the
bottom. It's why I find it hilarious when people believe in the moon landings. I'm like, do you know the history of the Jet Proposion Labs and
that it was created by Alistister Crowley's acolyte, a protege, so to speak? The
they these people wrote extensively about the sex parties they were having that they thought they could they were summoning demons. They were summoning
demons. Not thought they could. They were summoning demons. And um they harm children. That is that is the world we
live in. And I think that is very disturbing to have to contend with that.
And the craziest part is the people that protect them. Oh, for money. That's
that's hard to know that people I come up with in politics will look the other way for the right price. Think about
that. Everyone knew what Epstein was doing and then he was protected and they knew that he went to prison. I think about this [ __ ] all the time. It's
so fascinating wouldn't be the right word, but it's it's it it's interesting to see
how these people think that they have amassed so much power, but they really have zero power. The only [ __ ] thing
that they can really do is introduce a bill. Mhm.
Yeah. I mean, when you when they can't even [ __ ] say what's on their mind. Yeah.
They're powerless. They're [ __ ] They're they are they're they're controlled.
I think that I mean I think that's a way to a means to control people is to get them into politics.
Yeah, they control Congress. There's no question about it.
They really think that they have [ __ ] power. Well, in many ways they find people who are pedophiles already and then they empower them.
Give them churches, give them, you know, I was like shocked looking at the history of the Calvary Chapel church when I was looking into like Rob McCoy.
It's unbelievable how many people like are reformed, whatever, and then are not
end up being reformed at all. Um, it's it's a system. It's for sure a system and that's not imagined and you need to
wake up and realize that our our world is in fact being run by pedophiles. That's a fact.
And if the Epstein thing didn't wake you up to the fact that it's left and right, you're still asleep. If you think that our troubles in this country are white
versus black, you're still asleep. If you think it's gay versus straight, you're still asleep. If you think it's
like, you know, feminism versus chauvinism, you're still asleep. We've got way bigger problems. And these are
ancient problems that we have. People that worship and summon demons and believe in the occult and do it in
your face. I believe Charlie's assassination was an occult ritual. Everything about it.
Yeah. Everything about it. And I believe the people around him are into dark demonic stuff. I mean, when you told me at dinner that he was assassinated in
the middle of a pentagram, I was like, "Holy shit." When someone sent me an old Freemason Bible and it showed how they believe
that you have to be in a pentagram to sacrifice someone, literally shows you like there's a map inside of the Freemason
Bible. And I looked at it and I said, Charlie was sitting in a pentagram. Sorry. Where did the Freemasons come from?
Uh well, you know, you know the history of that?
Yeah, I actually just read a book for our book in our book club um called The Secret History of America by Nicholas
Haggar. Really, really important read, an academic read, but a very ch a challenging one, an important one to get into the history of Freemasonry. And you
I guess Freemasonry in many ways obviously it traces it's it traces back it's biblical. Um so you have to think
about different iterations. So it's like Solomon's temple, the masons of the temple is kind of what they're hinting to hinting at. But in terms of like the modern introduction into Western
society, it begins with Francis Bacon and Paris where Paris seems to be the home of a lot of the things that have
happened in these in these secret societies. It's like they go to Paris to be initiated. The same thing for Sigman Freud. Um he he studied under Charco um
and he was similarly initiated. I don't think it's a coincidence that Paris's code is 33. You if you want to dial up
to Paris, it's 33. Um it's home of the French Revolution. There's a lot that has happened in Paris. There's a lot of evil that is um taking place. But um the
Freemason society, I mean this gets into the infiltration of the Knights Templar, an intentional infiltration by Adam
Weissopt uh who was funding the infiltration of various Freemason groups and bringing them all together under the
Illuminati. Our founding fathers were Freemasons and the Nicholas Hager book carefully walks you through even the symbolism on the back of of a $1 bill.
Um and to be clear when they joined the Illuminati, it was
um uh after the revolutionary war. Uh but the they were always it was always done in mind and Adam Weiss was an open
satanist with using Christianity um as a shell to further their their
satanic causes. So you have to really go backward to understand the theology, the infiltration,
um how the Scottish right, uh which is the Scottish right of Freemasons, which had everything to do with establishing
America was really dating back from France. Um and the
Catholic Church having Jack Dem hung. I think he was hung. He was killed. And um these groups then went into Scotland and
you can just that book just helps you trace how these Freemason groups arrived into America and for them it was seen as
a new Atlantis. Okay, we keep getting caught doing all this crazy stuff across the European continent. It's always been a war against the Catholic Church.
They're all explicit in their hatred of the Catholic Church, which is very compelling to me. It's um Why do you think they're against the
Catholics so much? because the Catholics were calling them what they were, Satanists. I mean, this the rewrite of
history, um, Isabella of Spain, she should be sainted.
They're constantly everything you've learned about Catholicism and the history of Catholicism is just crap in school. And there's a reason for that because America was designed to be anti-atholic, um, to be anti-orthodox.
And the reason is because Catholics hold the history. They know what they were doing on that continent. America was supposed to be kept fat, happy, and
young. I I truly believe that. And now America, well, we were fat, happy, and young for 250 years, and now we're
arriving into our adolescent phase. And people are starting to look in the right places. It's why I encourage people to go to Russia. Russia holds the key to a
lot of secrets of these maniacal psychopaths um who have arrived in America who say, "Well, my great so- and so went to Russia. Got you clocks. know
exactly who who your great-grandfather must have been and your bloodthirst. The Bible says you will know them by their fruits. You do. You do. Do you have to
imagine who Mark Lebanon's ancestors were who were in Russia? No. I I I got to guess. I'm going to guess
they were killing the [ __ ] out of Bolsheviks if I just had to guess. I mean they I mean they were killing uh the [ __ ] out of Christians if I had to guess. I they must have been run they must have built the goolog system.
There's a blood lust that exists and an anger that is just so perceptible that that's why you say you will know them by their fruits. It's the way they speak
about people. There's a a happiness in their eyes when they're talking about like murder. It's weird. I sometimes
when I watch clips that will go viral of Ben Shapiro um or Mark Leavvin, there's something in
their like demeanor and their eyes that is it's so dark. I mean, it's so dark where you really go, I think you are
happy. It makes you happy when kids are being killed in Gaza. Like, there's there's something. It's very disturbing.
They They're not having the same reaction as we are having. And you see it in their tweets. It's a It's They're hungry for more death and destruction.
Oh, no. I've seen it. I've seen it in person. It's dark. I've seen it here in this room.
It's dark. Um, that can only come from worshiping [ __ ] foaming at the mouth.
Yeah, that can only come from the prince of darkness.
Because when spirits are light and happy and um, you have a reaction to seeing a dead
kid. Doesn't matter what the race of the kid is. Doesn't matter what the race of the kid is. You don't get up on the airways and go, "Oh, well, that's what happens. You're going to get some more
of that." like what Ben Gir is saying, there's something very wrong with these people. And so you don't have to imagine who they are the children of.
And that's why you don't have to get into the weeds on it either. It's like, you know,
God gave you intuition, you know, he gave you intuition to know um
when somebody is spiritually disturbed and that's putting it mildly.
Something about post October 7th, you can see the flicker of demonology in their eyes now
and the satisfaction they get from knowing that they're hurting other people. I mean, we just read that tweet. Yeah.
Honest. There's a thousand more just like it.
Honest from other people in powerful positions over there. Mhm.
There's just there's [clears throat] been so many things that just I mean to me that prove how bad the influence
is like sending that [ __ ] pedophile back to Israel. You know about you saw that right?
He was in the cyber team or they're one of the top guys in their cyber security [ __ ] wing of the idea.
I don't know, whatever.
Came here luring what 12y olds or something in on the internet to to [ __ ] them. Mhm.
We didn't do anything to them. We just packaged them up and sent them back to Israel where he can do that freely, by the way, because they've been harboring and protecting pedophiles for a while.
We're just cattle to them, right?
Mhm. because it gets into that frankst uh faith that actually dominates the the
frankst beginnings, the frankest origins of Israel. That's that's not Judaism.
The star of David is not the star of David. It's Solomon's keys. Look up at Alistister Crowley's book. He's got the
Star of David all over it. Um it's about summoning demons. It's bal worship.
and they don't want you to peer to know the history of that. That's the reality.
The star of David.
Um, but people are waking up to that. And I think that's why they have a certain
It's almost like they're under pressure right now.
Like their lust for destruction has never been louder. They're not even They're like shapeshifting. I think it's the best way to put it. I feel like
we're watching people who used to play human shapeshift into demons in real life.
Chapter 18: Threats, Faith & Independence
What do you think about all this UFO, UAP, alien [ __ ] that's coming out all of a sudden? Distraction.
Do you think it's a distraction? Mhm. Yeah.
Or do you think it's a narrative and they're going to try to pull a false flag alien invasion? I think the government has had technology and has
hidden technology for a long time. And I think whenever they start threatening
to do disclosures in a time where people are waking up about the ultimate disclosure, which is who rules over us, it's a distraction.
Yeah.
You've [snorts] had a lot of time to give us this. And now there seems to be a
real awakening happening. People talking about demons, people talking about the occult, people talking about ball worshippers and child sacrifice.
And that's a real threat.
That's personally what I think all this UAP [ __ ] is. I think it's all demonic entities. There are demonic entities around us.
I also think it's interesting how it is uh resurfaced right in the midst of the epsene [ __ ]
Right in the midst of Pam Bondi saying the Dow's at 50,000. Mhm.
How many people do you have coming after you? How many death threats do you get? Uh all day, every day.
Do you take them seriously?
Yeah. Yeah. We have a person in jail for trying to kill me. Yeah, I take him seriously because I said tried to kill you.
We're talking about Jewish history.
Talking about uh that Rebi Schneerson tomb that Trump prayed over and they all go into
Brooklyn and pray over that guy. You should look into that guy. What? Mhm. What tomb?
Yeah. You start talking about the Habad Lubich and they lose their minds. The history of the Habad Lubovich. If you open up looking into Sigman Freud, if
everyone listening could just read the assault on truth and the second book after you read that um is Sigman Freud and the Jewish mystical tradition.
You'll figure it out. All right. You'll figure it out. Who? I got you another present.
H I got you another present. What is it?
Here. Let me grab it. I actually love presents. Me, too.
Yeah. Honestly, the gummies were really good.
I mean, since you have so many people coming after you, you know. So, uh, you familiar with Sig Sour?
Yes, I am, actually. Good. Yes.
So, I got a buddy over there. His name's Jason. Okay.
And, uh, Jason is the VP of marketing over there.
He got really excited knowing that you're coming on. So, I told him I thought a lot of people were coming after you. So, he wanted me to present you with this.
That is so nice, Jason. Yes, that is so sweet. I'll tell you, they're awesome, too.
Like, like really good company and uh Yeah, they're the best.
We were just talking about pedophiles earlier. Yes.
We did this big episode on Roblox with this kid named Schle and uh he he
unveiled what was going on on Roblox. We screen recorded the whole thing. I want you.
And uh they were using so the developers were putting six sour. They have one game.
They've recreated the Sandy Hook shooting. They've recreated pretty much all the mass shootings and you go and you go in there and they actually even
have the victim's names that were killed in the schools over the characters heads. Wow.
And you go in there as the shooter and kill these [ __ ] kids. No.
And one of the weapons they have is a sig sour. So, we got it to Sig and Sig demanded Roblox take all their weapons out of the game.
Wow. They're awesome.
So disturbing. So disturbing that that was even a thing. I mean, they want your kids one way or the other. They want their minds. And it's
we have to fight. We have to be the generation that fights back like and it we're only going to fight back by recognizing that it's real. It's a conspiracy. It's real.
So anyways, here you go. This is the Wow. 365.
Thank you, Jason over at Sig Sau with the new Romeo X optic. That's a Sig Sau
can suppressor there, so won't be too loud. Takes 17 rounds plus one in the pipe. A few pedophiles. What's that? Take out a few pedophiles. Quietly.
Quietly. That'll do it. Yeah, that's amazing. Thank you so much. You're welcome. Just absolutely amazing.
You're welcome. Maybe we can break that in on the range before you head out. Yeah. There we go. Right. Yeah.
Oh, that's so kind. That is I mean, people are amazing. [laughter] So kind.
No, I know. Well, I mean, people are just amazing. They've just been in so many ways. I mean, that's what that's what keeps you going.
You have to be reminded that we're the majority. Don't forget what Charlie said, right? There's always more slaves.
26 minutesYeah. Yeah. How'd you get into Go ahead.
I just I know. I feel the energy of that though. I feel like it though they feel threatened.
How'd you get into Catholicism?
My husband, he converted to Catholicism. Um, he read, they say, read theology, we would
say, majored in theology in college. Uh, and he went and which was a very big
deal obviously in England, decided to convert to Catholicism in his last year of school. after studying theology.
And once we had our kid, he was really being pulled back into the church and spending a lot of time there and really
getting involved. And it was sort of just this another layer of my husband that I wanted to know. I just I didn't get it. I did not get it at all. And so,
as I am, I decided I wanted to understand it. And it was sort of this perfect storm of where I was at
politically reading about Sigman Freud and his deep hatred for the Catholic Church. I mean, deep hatred for the Catholic Church and basically creating
modern psychology as a way to counter the Catholic Church to replace the priests with um therapists, you know, to
disrupt that system. And I was going, "Wow, every time I read a book, it somehow is telling me that the Freemasons were very anti-atholic and
I'm not looking for it." Uh, even that book I just mentioned to you tells you about how they were ever intentional about making sure that the New Atlantis
would not be Catholic. So once I was awake to the Freemasonic hatred um and the pedophile protecting hatred toward
the Catholic Church and how they plan to infiltrate and break her apart from the inside and break apart the Catholic empire that
way. I I saw this sort of
big piece of history really that I was compelled toward and there has to be for
something to try to destroy it that bad, for Satan to hate it that bad, it's because it represents truth.
And so I am very compelled toward learning the Orthodox tradition, uh the Catholic tradition. I am my mind is
there. I mean, Russia was just I just recently went to Russia and I'm just floored at how much is there. I mean, I
need to spend time in Russia to be able to hold artifacts that old. I I was uh I
did an interview with a guy uh his name is Nikita. He's an incredible, very
accomplished director. Anyway, he I asked him something. He had something in his office and I was like, "Oh, how old is this?" and he sort of laughed and he said [laughter] older than America.
There is something about that, you know, I and I felt so like a spiritual thirst for more of
Russia, like the secrets, like they've just been sort of waiting and they've kept the books and before they were translated and taken and I
Yeah, I just I really want to spend more time in Moscow. You like it there?
Loved it. What misconceptions do we have about Russia?
All of them. All of them. And there's a you start to notice a pattern that is the Zionists really hate Russia.
Although they'll tell you that that's where their family came from, right?
[snorts] The pgrams that they my family left after the pgrams. That never happened. You [snorts] you know
assassinated Assar thesar and Alexander I. And uh it was a Jewish plot. I mean,
there's no question about that. And I mean, it's just the remarkable thing.
It's like no matter what they do, they're the victims. It's kind of this thing. And they did end up a lot of them coming to America. And then obviously the satanic Romanov ritual and then a
lot of them came into America. Uh but Russia, if you have an American
mindset about it, you would think it's dilapitated, that there's no freedom, highly impoverished,
that the people hate Vladimir Putin. I don't know. That would be my general sense of what everybody thinks. And also that they hate Americans, right? That I think everyone believes.
Mhm. Couldn't be more opposite.
Could not be. I mean they absolutely love Americans. Absolutely love Americans. They don't even understand why Americans think what they think
about Russia. They are so confused by the the Western perception, if you will, about Russia. Unbelievably safe. I think
I also thought it was maybe in the back of my head thought it would be unsafe.
It was unbelievably safe. Clean. It really makes you uh angry about the fact
that our men are sacrificing their lives and their bodies in the Middle East and they come back to the way our country looks. Even our
capital city, it should be the shiny example. At least make the city nice in DC. You've got drug addicts walking around, gay pride flags, people walking
around half naked, um tweaking on the streets of DC. Yeah.
You you you not Moscow. It's an immaculate city and the the history as
someone who loves history to have gone to the monasteries to see the old churches it stirs your soul. Beauty
stirs your soul and there's a reason why whenever commies who I believe came to America and that's what we're dealing with right now and they're the ones that
are in power. Communism and Zionism are our brother and sister. Uh but they seek
to destroy history. They seek to make it so that people don't aspire to beauty because when you don't see beauty, it's
reflected in your soul. I mean in Catholicism that that is a a belief that you need beauty, right? It's beauty, truth, truth, and goodness.
These are the pillars. And when you don't see beauty, when you don't have truth, and when you don't have goodness,
a society falls apart, um when you don't aim toward those transend transcendentals in life.
when you walk around and you see these churches and the relics and the medieval
intention like it just the beauty of walking into a church that has stood there for that long. It stirs something inside of you. I felt inspired. That's
the only way I could describe it. Um I wanted to know more. I wanted to be smarter. I wanted to work harder. And in
America, they want everyone to sort of live in nothingness, like really close to your neighbor, built in flimsy homes. Nothing
33 minutesis structured anymore. And there's a reason for that because they don't want you to think about history. They don't want you to think about permanence. They want you to think that you're here and
then you're gone. That you have Don't think about ancestry. Don't think about ancestry. Don't think about living in your dad's home when you get older.
Um, that's what we're drifting toward. were drifting toward that emptiness of the Bolevik revolution when they made them
close the churches and they made the state religion atheism. America has been under a Bolevik spell, I think, for a long time.
Yeah, it does seem like there's an awakening happening. Mhm.
But
[clears throat]
well, how do you like being independent?
I'm just the happiest person. I could never go back to working for someone other than my husband.
[laughter]
Um, you are crushing it. Thank you. Thank you. Congratulations.
Thank you. And, you know, I owe it to my team for believing in me. And even when I'm sure they don't believe in me, you
know, I'm sure they've some they've got to have some questions. I The one thing we will never agree on in my in the control room is the moonlanding. I got these guys who need it to be true.
His name is Skyler. Yeah. And uh but I'm one day I will bring him over to the dark side which is the I'm like the the
moolangs didn't happen sky moolangs didn't happen sky but he's like no no no I think they did they did happen but we
have a great time and I it is it it really is a blessing to be able to work from home and to be in control of your own life and to say what you actually
think um without consequence the threat of you know the sort of domicles above
your head and having someone am I going to be in trouble and get brought into the CEO's office because
Ben didn't like that? Like that's it's I'm so glad it's all removed from my life and that I landed on my feet in large part
in every part thanks to my husband and faith in God. Really trusting that I could follow truth and say something
that was good and right and that he would have my back and he did.
Well, I'm really happy for you. Thank you.
And it's inspired a lot of people. So, congratulations.
Thank you. And I do also just want to say I would not be here without the fans. They I mean they will never know
the uh what that year was like for me to have people which they're trying to do to Megan, but it was magnified I think because I was kind of early to the
cancellation party um just to try to take everything from your family. I mean, they don't they don't want you to just be fired. They want you destroyed.
Yeah.
Like, it's it's it's so evil. And if it wasn't for my fans, the people who signed up, who sent the emails, keep
going. We're with you. You know, please don't sell us out. That's the other thing. They're so used to that. They're so used to someone just taking the money. Um I wouldn't be here without
them. the people who prayed around the world, who pray every single day around the world for my safety, who write um uh write us and tell us that they're
keeping us in their prayers, which is the most important part. Um my family could not have gotten through it without them. And so I just feel like I also
just need to say thank you, especially with the Charlie assassination because it was that was um definitely the toughest few
months of my entire career was dealing with that. I mean, it still is tough, but I've now accepted that he's not coming back, and I've accepted that he
was betrayed. So, it's easier now that I'm contending with reality. But those months that followed, um,
I always say to my team, I make the joke, I'm like, if I can get through the last two years and I didn't end up like shaving my head and, you know, and going
into a looney bin, like I'm telling you, like I think I'm the most emotionally stable person that I know because I don't know who else could have made it out of that without losing their mind.
Yeah.
You know, it's it was it was it's been a tough tough go. But my husband was reminding me, we were we were out for a run the other day because sometimes you
get the perspective. I was saying to him when we had um someone a member on our team suffered a seizure in Russia and Russia has been amazing in taking care of him who served his country for 12
years and couldn't get a freaking appointment at the VA and knew something was wrong and they told him it was in his head and here's some Xanax and it
turns out it was in his head but it was a massive brain clot. Um, anyway, my husband and I was saying to him those moments where we thought he
was going to die and you just I was sitting here just going, "Really, God?
Like, you know, do we need to have a chat? Like, what? [laughter] Like what's up? Are we fighting? What's going on?" And you get those moments. And George
just has the best perspective. and he just reminded me about the lessons of Job and the biblical lessons of Job and having everything taken away from you
and remembering God's perspective on that like you don't you know what what I contend with and
not seeing why things are happening not being able to understand the bigger picture and it's so important to always
have that perspective is we are just as I always say little blips in an equation
that we don't understand. And at random times in the equation, God puts a plus in your life and then puts a minus5. You know, he's like, here's plus one, here's
minus5, here's division, here's multiplication, and you're going, what on earth is going on? And we're not meant to see the sum of it.
Um, but occasionally, I think we're allowed a glimpse into recognizing in in the retrospect that when he was doing all those minuses, it actually was a
plus. you know, you get to look back and go, "Man, you really wanted me out of the Daily Wire like yesterday, and you did it in the most in the craziest way,
but man, were you looking out, you know, and so it's um you know, thank God even for the hardships."
Good for you. Good for you. All right, last question. If you had three guests to recommend for this show, who would they be?
Phil Turney, USS Liberty. Okay.
Changed my life. Um, there's just something about a person who's held on to something like that their whole life and felt that they could never move on
because of their brothers being ruthlessly murdered that just you really see it
how evil our government what they're capable of, you know? Mhm.
I would definitely say Phil Turney. Um, I can I give you one that I've never had on my show, but I feel like you'll beat me to it. Yeah.
I Every year I try to get Vladimir Putin. I feel like you'll beat me to it.
I feel like you got to just like do something. You got to get like Kim Jong-un like out of nowhere, you know?
Love to get him, right? I feel like that's where we're at. Like we now need to know. They've told so many lies about us like they're protecting Jeffrey Epste. I'm like,
"Okay, let me go find all the people that you're saying. If if Jeffrey Epstein's good and and Putin is evil, I got to go figure out like what's going on." Really? That would be fascinating.
Like when Trump when Tucker went over and did Putin, I was like seized by it.
Um yeah, give me like give me a Bill Turney, Kim Jong- andor Putin. And
[laughter]
I'd like to see your wife.
She's been on here, has she? Twice.
Okay. I was You got to do another family member of yours.
I don't like putting my family on display.
I know, but it's you learn the most about people when you when they speak to their family members. And that's why I love to watch them those podcasts. I'm like, "Oh,
suddenly the How about Kanye?" He'd be great. You think he would do it? I do. Is great. Right on.
Mhm.
I do for Kanye. I just want to go see one of his concerts. They look incredible. Like Kanye's expression is music.
You got the when he does the show, that's his that's his medium, you know. You want to end this with a prayer?
Absolutely. All right. You lead it. Oh, no. You have to lead the prayer. You lead it. It's your episode.
Okay. I'll lead the prayer. I never lead the prayer in my house. My granddad was always like, "If there's a guy there, they always lead the prayer." Okay. So, this is uh I I'll just do just
like how I kind of pray in like I feel like I have to incorporate you into it.
So, like whatever. So, name of the father, the son, and the holy spirit.
Uh, dear lord, we thank you for this conversation. We hope that people who are hearing this conversation are impacted. Um, there are a lot of people that are suffering in the world, and
it's difficult for us to contend with why that is and why that suffering is allowed to happen. But we always at first come to you with gratitude. Um,
and recognizing that there was a lot of goodness that is working at the same time that there are so many people who
are waking up and understanding what is happening in this world on your time and on a timeline that makes sense. We pray
for the children that are suffering all across the world. The people who are in war torn areas. We pray that you protect
them and that you cover them. the people that are growing up without parents, uh without water, without food, and that
you are with them. Um we pray for the information that you want us to have. We come to you in gratitude for the
platform that you have given me, the platform that you have given Sean Ryan.
Uh a platform that I don't think either of us would have ever thought or think that we deserve. and we continue to ask
that you use these platforms to do your will because these are your platforms and these things can be taken away from us in any moment. Uh we thank you for
the health of our family. We thank you for the energy to keep going. We thank you for the people that you have put in our lives, even the bad ones. We pray
especially for our enemies and the people that seek to do harm on us because uh only you can move them and change those people in the world. Um, in
your name we pray through Jes in Jesus Christ. Amen. Through Jesus Christ. Amen. Beautiful.
Thank you, Candace. It was an honor.
Thank you so much. It was an honor to be here. I'm so I feel like I was last. And I was like, man, maybe he just doesn't like me. I would love to do his show.
Like I was like, I thought your show was so cool. I was like, really like to be on there. [laughter] Well, you made it. I made it.
It was a fascinating interview. I've really enjoyed this.
There will be a lot of tears on the internet. I can guarantee you. Awesome interview. Yeah. All right. I wish you the best of luck.
Thank you so much. [laughter] Cheers.
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DAY ONE - Preliminary Hearing and Andrew Kolvet Crash Outs - Ep 140
Baron Coleman
Streamed live 22 hours ago

We recap day one and note more than a few interesting "facts" that were presented in open court.

We also take a look at Andrew Kolvet's repeated crash outs on Candace Owens. It's not going well for him.



Transcript

Chapter 1: Intro
Welcome in. Welcome in. Welcome in,
[laughter]
guys.
We've had a never- ending crash out today from Andrew Kovette. Yes, a neverending crash out. I don't know if you got to see it. I don't know if his
job's in jeopardy, if his liberty's in jeopardy. I have no idea what's going on with this guy. I have rarely if ever
seen a PR professional crash out like Mr. Kovette has done over the last um I
don't know or so. It's been bad. It's been really really bad. Um you know hard hardcore drinkers do this when
they get a little out of control. They get manic. Drug users sometimes do this.
I'm not accusing him of either. He might just be undisiplined. But we will examine that as the time arises to do
so. Um, but welcome in, welcome in, welcome in. We're going to have a big, big show today. Like many of you, I spent a good chunk of the day reviewing
the preliminary hearing from Utah. I had one goal in mind. I wanted to scale the mountain. I was promised a mountain of
evidence. I was told there would be mountains of evidence. There's a mountain of evidence.
I didn't see the mountain. If I'm being honest, I saw no mountain. I saw grainy footage. I saw hearsay. I saw I didn't
say it, but he said I saw a lot of trust me, bro. I saw no mountains. I don't know when the mountains are coming.
Maybe they're small mountains. Uh maybe we're quite literally making mountains out of mole hills. Um, but I'll be
honest, uh, not only did the government not show anything that would even approach reasonable doubt at a regular
trial, I think if the judge had to rule based on today alone, how could you even how could you even find that it
continues onto a trial? I mean, that was ludicrous. And we will go through some of it. We'll go through some of it. Uh, including
cameras not working. Well, tell me, stop me if you've heard this one before. Uh, next thing you're going to tell me is that uh Jeffrey uh uh Einstein's camera
stopped working in the in the Man Manhattan Correctional Center facility right as he took his own life. Oh. Oh.
Next thing you're going to tell me is the camera above Tyler Robinson while he was eating a steak at the Penguin Steakhouse that stopped Oh, yeah. Both
of those things are true as well. And the cop's body cam stopped working.
Guys, there's a bunch we've got to go through. There's a bunch we got to go through. I do want to set the stage. It is day one and I've kind of shied away from
from trial coverage or or I don't want to say trial coverage because pretty much a lot of what we've done the last 10 months has been preparation for the trial, but I I've shied away from kind
of a blowby-blow of daily court hearings and I'm going to violate that a little bit today. Um because I thought there were several interesting things that
needed to be covered. So, we will start at the beginning uh and we will work our way through. I have a good opening that I did not I kind of been holding it in the tank. I wasn't sure when I wanted to do this opening, but today was the day.
Today was the day we had the Covette crash out that necessitated the opening, but we also had Stacy Sheridan and her two girls show up.
Well, that was kind of harsh perhaps, but Stacy Sheridan showed up for the
trial. She she all of her showed up for the trial and all and and very little of it was covered. Um, and so she she sort
of had handler vibes. Andrew Kovat all day has basically admitted to having handler vibes. And so it was the perfect
day to talk about handlers, particularly handlers, uh, when it comes to assets that don't know they're being handled.
This is something specific to the spycraft uh, arena, but it is not rare.
It happens quite a bit and today seems like a perfect day to talk about it because in the terms of spycraft,
Chapter 2: Opening Statement - Handlers and Unwitting Assets
a handler is someone who directs an operation and they do it on behalf of a principal. Rarely is the handler the the
the organization that wants something done. They usually hire some sort of an in between. Uh it's typically an intelligence agency, but it
can be any kind of an organization. the the person being controlled by the handler is called an asset. And it's
entirely possible and in fact it's quite operationally common for someone to function as a handler while the asset
remains completely or largely unaware he's being handled. In these scenarios, the the agency or the organization still
treats the interaction as a managed intelligence operation, but externally it relies on deception. It relies on
intermediaries and it's it's it's accomplished through manipulation, sometimes subtle manipulation.
The asset in this situation that we're talking about where the handler is not known to be a handler from the perspective of the asset, it's it's
sometimes called an unconscious agent or a floater or an unwitting asset. And
what we have here is an unwitting asset in this situation that will provide valuable information
and perform useful actions all all while not realizing they're assisting any kind of intelligence service or any other kind of
organization. For example, uh an unwitting asset might believe he's talking to a journalist. Uh he might believe he's talking to an employee or
an employer. He might believe he's talking to some sort of a consultant or even a romantic interest.
The unwitting asset believes his interactions with a handler are are benign, nothing more than participating in some kind of normal professional or
personal relationship. But because the handler is working with an unwitting asset, the handler then extracts
information and they do it through a series of elicitation techniques rather than direct questioning. You know, in a in a typical spy situation, you would
just sit the asset down and say, "What'd you learn today?" Well, you can't do that if the asset is an unwitting asset.
So, these subtle conversational methods rely on the exploitation of human psychology and it can happen through a
number of techniques. uh the handler can flatter the unwitting asset and that happens. You you know you praise his expertise. You encourage him to share
more. You really build him up. You you you just gas him up and the asset just loves it. Most people cannot resist
flattery. The handler can share exciting or interesting information and the handler will share a small piece of
information and hopefully that will trigger the unwitting asset to reciprocate in a big way and really divulge a great deal of information. The
handler might make provocative or false statements even about a topic and then the unwitting asset cannot resist the
urge to correct the record. That's the best way to get the truth on any kind of social media is to make an incorrect statement. People will fall all over
themselves to correct you and then you get your answer. But if you just ask for the answer, it goes un unheard. No one no one gives it. You go rip. So you
pretend to have this limited knowledge and it can warm up the unwitting asset to give better explanations, detailed explanations. And then there's
everyone's favorite trap. It is so irresistible. It's it's probably more irresistible than flattery, and that's
gossip. A handler can build quite a bit of rapport with an unwitting asset through gossiping about some juicy
topics. And these techniques are often deployed and they they're ongoing. They they're they're ongoing. They sometimes
last years, sometimes decades. And that way, the target never really feels interrogated. Handler relationships can be pretty complex. Sometimes they use
cutouts or layers of separation might be employed. And that ensures the handler remains available if the unwitting asset cuts off the relationship or starts to move in different circles.
A handler may never meet the asset directly. Instead, the handler may use intermediaries who they themselves may be witting or unwitting assets.
Organizations can use these unwitting assets for a lot of reasons. there is frankly a lower operational risk and there's a reduced chance of the asset
defecting or being turned if the asset doesn't know he's an asset. It's also clean, very clean. It's cleaner for the handler. It's cleaner for the handler's
organization because it gives them plausible deniability if the operation is exposed or go south. And there are some people perhaps most people who just won't accept the role of being an asset.
It's a little deceptive. And so using unwitting assets gives handlers access to all these targets who would never
knowingly work with intelligence communities or even some other organization who wants to exploit them or use them. But internally from the
perspective of the organization there's not a lot of difference whether using a witting or unwitting asset. The handler still validates the asset. The handler
still tasks the asset with accomplishing certain objectives. And the handler still reports the intelligence up the chain. The asset's simply unaware of the
full context. The asset doesn't know the handler's true affiliation or role. And because we're talking about sensitive operations,
detailed examples are pretty sparse, but they're known. They're known. Uh we have clear patterns. We have documented cases, particularly during the Cold War.
Uh and there's some examples from modern corporate espionage. But this is the spy craft. This is a trade craft that's taught in the community. During the cold
war, for example, both the West and the Soviets, they extensively used unwitting assets. They sometimes refer to these
unwitting assets as useful idiots. These useful idiots were nothing more than individuals going about their ordinary
lives, but who either advanced a cause or maybe shared information without realizing they were being manipulated.
The KGB ran very sophisticated active measures and they would plant disinformation and they would do it in obscure
publications and they were using unwitting journalists or activists and then they would amplify those messages in the mainstream media.
There was a guy named Oleg Kugan a former KGB officer who described operations that exploited
genuine social grievances in the United States. things like racial tensions or equal rights for women. They would forge
documents or letters. They would inflame divisions and they would know that unwitting reporters and activists would spread the material. They couldn't help themselves. It advanced their cause.
Journalists and academics were pretty frequent targets of unwitting conduits.
There was a famous commentator named Walter Litman. Walter Litman had a secretary named Mary Price. Turns out Mary Price was a Soviet agent. Mary
Price accessed and copied Litman's materials from his files. He had no knowledge of it and what she gave to her
hand to her organization was valuable insight and she just passed it up the chain. Litman himself met with
individuals that were later identified as Soviet intelligence officers and he did it under journalistic cover. He
remained unaware of their true roles until the operation was exposed.
Similar dynamics played out with other influential writers and thinkers, political figures who served as unwitting sources of context, access or
even documents in influence and disinformation operations. this foreign and domestic cultivation of networks.
Uh I don't want to say people who believed they were engaging in legitimate political or culture exchange but people who uh were doing it whether
they believed it or not they became unwitting assets and that unwitting asset was for the purpose of
propaganda or even intelligence collection. In more recent decades, economic and techn technological espionage has seen a significant rise in
unwitting assets. You had Chinese intelligence services. They've been linked to operations where scientists, engineers, even executives of big companies were invited to conferences.
They were paid for speaking engagements. They collaborated on projects in China.
Unwitting assets often shared technical details because they thought they were just participating in normal conversation. And these are just a few
of the well-known examples where the operation was exposed and the handlers and unwitting assets were identified.
What they do is they illustrate a core truth a core truth of this type of spycraft.
Effective handling does not require the assets awareness.
Deception, psychological subtlety, uh real compartmentalization. They allow
handlers to extract value. And while they're doing it, they maintain the operation secrecy and value. The asset may never learn the truth, or they may
only discover it years into the operation, even sometimes after the operation has concluded. The consequences of an unwitting asset
uncovering the operation, can be disastrous. The unwitting asset may begin to evaluate all of his interactions in his entire life.
Interactions with the suspected handler or handlers. He may even grow suspicious of nearly everyone around him. It's a
profound breach of trust. And profound breaches of trust often come with widespread fallout. And that's because the handler's role is fundamentally
about control and collection. And this control and collection comes within a very high stakes environment, a very secretive environment.
So while he was an unwitting agent, the unwitting agent provided safe and plausibly deniable access. But when that
safety and plausible deniability evaporates, the handler and the handler's organization must take decisive action.
They have to protect the operation at all costs. And in Spycraft, we know sometimes assets must be neutralized or
liquidated to protect the operation. And that is your opening statement. I hope you enjoyed it as much as I do. I mentioned
Chapter 3: Red Carpet Arrivals to Day One of the Preliminary Hearing
it today because I am beyond convinced Charlie was an unwitting asset. Period.
End of story. You'll never convince me otherwise. Particularly after Andrew Kovett's crash out today and particularly with the arrivals of
different people at the courthouse. It was a very strange set of arrivals. I want to start with I'll get to Andrew's
crash out in a minute. I want to start with just the arrivals. We have some video footage of different people arriving at the courthouse at different
times. This is Andrew, uh, excuse me, Erica Kirk arriving. You'll notice she comes in a side door or a back door. I
predicted this to several that she would not walk into the front door.
And I think that's probably smart.
[clears throat] I think that's probably smart to take a high-profile figure who is the basically victim in this case as recognized by the state of Utah and
allow her to come in the side door. I [clears throat] have no problem in the world with that. I know a lot of people were bent over backward uh been been out of shape, I think, is a better way to
explain it. Uh me, not so much. This one bit me out of shape. This one bit me out of shape. This is the arrival of Charlie
Kirk's parents. I want you to see how they arrive. I think I got this from Brandy Sicilian.
I'm trying to give people credit. I don't know where I got the first one. I want you to watch how they arrive and I want you to pay particular person a particular attention to this
tallish blonde lady with the angry haircut and no top or or at least she has a top on but only half of a top. I want you to
pay attention to her and how she acts now. She's sitting there waiting for Charlie's parents.
Like she's been there. She got dropped off already. She could have gone into the courthouse. She was invited presumably,
but she doesn't go in. She waits in the parking lot for Charlie's parents.
She really doesn't say anything, but she just stands there in her Erica Kirk 7-year-old haircut.
And here come Charlie's parents.
Uh Charlie's dad's the bald-headed fella in the uh charcoal business suit. his mother, obviously the one she's holding.
Now look at look at Stacy Sheridan reach out to grab the dad and the dad just blows by her. And notice how Stacy Sheridan is not wearing courtroom
attire. She's wearing stripper attire. I don't understand who dressed that woman this morning.
Uh ladies and gentlemen, I've been in a lot of courtrooms. The girls usually are put away before you go into the courtroom. That's just my I'm just
accustomed to that. Uh, and I've seen people wear Philadelphia Eagles jerseys into courtrooms, but their boobs aren't hanging out. Like, they put them away
before they go in. They might wear a Philadelphia Eagles jersey, but it covers the cleavage.
Not Stacy Sheridan. I don't know what message she's sending and to whom, but that's how she chose to go into the courthouse today with I just shocked me
when I saw it. I thought, "Oh, this is what the day is going to be like. I thought this is going to be pretty mundane." No, we got softcore porn. Okay. Uh uh hold please hold please.
We've got more. We have um Erica's family, her mother and father and her
during the testimony when it got particularly tense at an early juncture.
We see them exit the courtroom. I was a little surprised by this because I thought that they were told they I
thought they told the crowd they couldn't come and go except at breaks. That's pretty standard in a courtroom.
The media was not going to film exhibits.
Um, there goes Erica.
And they are filming the ones that are on that screen. So, I guess other people are. That girl kind of looks like her. So, I'm thinking she's related somehow. I don't know if this is
her sister, her niece, her I don't know who these people are. I think this blonde girl in the front may be her sister. I went and looked up a picture
of her sister today and it kind of looks like her. This This kind of looks like it could be a niece. And I guess that would make this kid a nephew. Maybe need to clarify that.
But I don't know. I don't know. But so they kind of came and went and the judge was gracious and he said, you know, she's going to be treated like the
victim. Well, I I understand she's able to kind of come and go, but uh, you know, to exit a whole row from a courtroom, it's a
little distracting in the middle of a courthouse. So, I don't know how the judge is going to handle that going forward. We also got word today, ladies and gentlemen, and for reasons I cannot
explain, reasons I will never understand, we heard that there was
potentially secret service in the courthouse because Don Jr. showed up. Donald Trump Jr. is
inside the Provo, Utah courtroom for the preliminary hearing in the murder of Charlie Kirk. Per our Fox reporter
inside. This is Matt Finn who is basically like a giant s for Erica. It's really shameless how how he kind of
covers his case, but I don't hold that too much against him. Um, who else showed up? Sergeant Sheckles showed up. It's unbelievable.
This is why I thought we were going to get a mountain of evidence. I thought we were going to get a mountain because
Officer Tater Tots was there. Yes, Officer Tater Tots was there. Let me see if I can blow this up. I don't want to make it too small for you here. That's
probably all I'm going to be able to get. Uh Brandon Tatum looking like he's on OMIC here. We'll watch this one
20 minutesfirst. Has a very ompified Brandon Tatum walking in.
And then on this side we have Agent Poso,
Jack Bobic walking in. So a little weird if I'm being honest. Like
this isn't a wedding, you know?
Had a little red carpet feel to it. I was expecting people to like, Agent Jack. Agent Jack, Jack Bubic, by the way, [clears throat and cough] someone
pointed this out. I can't remember who pointed it out, but I went and fact checked it and it's true. Jack Pobic was a Navy intel
officer. That's fine. Everybody's allowed to be a Navy intel officer. But he also went to work for Steve Bannon [clears throat] after he left the Navy
Intel service. At the time, Steve Bannon was buddying up with Jeffrey Einstein of
the Einstein Files in Einstein Island fame. I don't know if that has anything to do with anything that's like two degrees of separation. It's pretty
close. Pretty close. I don't think I'm two degrees separated from the man, but maybe others are. Um, and so I want to give you a little overview of kind of
what I saw today, and then I want to talk to you very briefly about the purpose of these hearings, why they exist in the first place. But I want to give an overview of the judge.
Chapter 4: Overview of Performances from Judge and Lawyers
Judge [clears throat] Tony Graph has gotten a lot of grief, and a lot of people think he's just a little too buddy buddy with the
prosecution, a little rules a little too harshly against the the criminal defendant.
I did not find that today. And granted, it's just day one. I didn't watch all of it, but I thought he was fairly neutral.
Um, he may have given a little latitude to the prosecution. He did rule against him when it was particularly egregious one time. Uh, I do have one clip I want
to play of the judge, though. This was frankly a little shocking when I saw it.
Um, he was watching the footage of Charlie being taken down.
I got the volume off here. He was watching the footage of Charlie being taken down. Let me pull the volume off.
Watch his reaction when it happens. It and then I'll raise a question, but I want you to watch it first.
You'll know when it happens. There.
So, that was it. [clears throat] And you can see he's clearly disturbed.
I mean, those were involuntary movements of his seat, sitting up, sitting back, and then his eyes. He had that thousandy
stare afterwards. I want you guys to go back to the first time you saw it, cuz I don't know that he had seen it before.
I want you to go back to the first time you'd seen it.
I made a bigger reaction than that. I was sitting in this very chair. I was talking to a friend of mine I've known for 15 plus years, a very active
political figure who called me to let me know about it and we were on the phone and I was I was thinking it can't have been that bad,
you know, uh because the first image I saw was the very far away image. It was the first kind of video that circulated about the whole thing and and you really
couldn't see what happened. You couldn't see any of the the gore. You couldn't see the location of anything. You just saw kind of the shirt move and him like them push him over. And so it kind of
looked like he may have gotten winged maybe in the shoulder or something, you know, like jerked and then fell over.
And I thought, well, we'll see how it goes. [snorts] And so I start looking around and thinking, is there a better angle? I shouldn't have.
And I' I've watched it a thousand times in uh in in preparation for different shows and and just trying to figure out what happened.
But I wish I could wipe it out of my head when this is all over. That's not something people should see. No one should watch someone be taken out like that.
[clears throat] And I remember just gasping when it happened. [gasps]
I was on speakerphone because I don't hear well. I can't hold the phone to my ears, but I was on speaker phone. I was like, [gasps] and he goes, "What? What?
What? What? What?" And I said, "Don't watch it." He goes, "I won't." I said, "Don't. Whatever you do, don't watch this, please." It was that that shot we've all seen from right up front.
And I can imagine if the judge is seeing this for maybe the first time or a new angle for the first time having that reaction, that little flinch. Props to
him for not doing what I did and gasping like a nine-year-old girl cuz I did. I absolutely did. But it gave
me insight into this judge. If that truly was the first time he'd seen it or he hadn't seen it very often and it truly shocked him to the core and that
wasn't just good acting and it didn't look like good acting, it looked like it was the first time he'd seen it. Props to the judge for not doing what we tell
everyone not to do and they immediately go out and do you. You swear in a jury and the judge says, "All right, you guys are now the jury. Do not look at
anything in this case. Don't go on the internet. Don't read the local newspapers. Don't watch the local news.
You're you're only going to hear about this case inside this courtroom." And the first thing they do at break, you can watch them. They're all on their
phones looking up Twitter and Facebook and local news coverage and message board. I mean, you it just it's human
nature. It's human nature. You want to know as much as possible. There's always this FOMO. I there got to be information they're not letting us have.
It doesn't look like the judge did that in this case. And all I can do is take my hat off to him and say if if Judge Graph, if you truly just watched that
for the first time or one of the very few times you've ever seen that, props to you, sir. Genuinely, I mean that
because it tells me he's taking his job seriously. And I don't know if that's true or not. Maybe maybe he was a good actor. Maybe he's a good actor. Uh but
for those of us who've seen that over and over and over, we don't have that reaction. We just don't have that reaction. And so that's kind of my
thought on the judge. He he did an okay job. You know, like I said, gave a little perhaps too much latitude to the prosecution, but it's the prosecution's
day. The bar is very low. We know how he's going to rule anyway. This is a This is Candace called it a show trial or a show hearing on X. It kind of is.
It kind of is. Um you can indict almost anybody. Uh or or whatever. I don't
know. Indictment is more of a grand jury term, but you can you can you can press charges. You can proceed to trial. You
can what against anyone. Like the bar is that low. You just have to like honestly this is how low the bar is today. If
they would have just shown up and said we interviewed somebody who said he did it and they saw him and they were like all right you're going to trial. You've
got an eyewitness. Like you don't have to have any more than that hearsay of someone who you said saw it. That's enough.
That's enough. Now did we even get that today? Well, we'll cover that in a minute because next I want to talk about the prosecution and defense. There was a
lot of discussion for the last 10 months of whether the defense is sandbagging Tyler Robinson. I don't think they are.
I thought they did a pretty good job today. They were prepared, but I think the prosecution was prepared. I think they were competent. They knew the rules. They knew their objections. They
objected at the appropriate times. They didn't object at times that were inappropriate. Um, the defense's cross-examination of the one witness was
particularly good, I thought. Um, I don't know that I mean, there was one time she asked kind of a a follow-up
question that I in hindsight, I bet even she wishes she hadn't asked because it sort of let him wiggle out of testimony.
Probably would have been cleared up on a redirect anyway. Um, but, you know, you let them make them work. Don't clear it up for them. And there was one time where he asked a question. I was like,
don't ask that. Uh, let them go back and clean it up. But but whatever. You know, I I'm not going to argue with them over it. They did a good job today. It was
not a bad job. Now, let me get into just a minute or two
Chapter 5: Difference between Preliminary Hearing and Trial
28 minutesbecause I I I have to I have to because people don't know what a preliminary trial is. A preliminary hearing is. This
is not a trial. The standard here is not reasonable doubt. The purpose of this is not to determine whether Tyler Robinson
is guilty or innocent. It's not to determine whether he will get the death penalty or life in prison. That's not what was done today.
A preliminary hearing is a limited pre-trial screening process. All you're
trying to do is determine whether probable cause exists. In other words, do you think the prosecution can make a
good faith effort and not going to waste the judicial time and not going to unnecessarily keep this guy against his will in jail waiting on this trial? Are
they going to be able to produce at least enough evidence for a jury to consider even if it's not great?
That's it. That's all that's happening here. Now, the the defense for their case um can challenge the evidence in
these preliminary hearings, but it's it's not going to the sufficiency of the evidence. It's not going to the weight of the evidence. It's going to the
sufficiency. As long as the judge deter determines the evidence is sufficient to clear that hurdle, nothing the defense said really matters. And I heard this a
lot from people saying it seems like they're conceding a gunshot. Well, who cares? There's no jury here.
They don't have to go through every theory. All they have to do is try to knock out the sufficiency of given witnesses. And they I think they did a
pretty good job today. Um and I'll go through some of that uh in just a minute. I don't want to go, you know, line by line, but we'll go through some of the highlights. Now, what is the
standard we talked about in a trial? I'm going to come way up here. almost absolutely certain, like almost no doubt. Now, reasonable doubt. You can
have weird doubt like, you know, maybe uh uh Charlie had a heart attack and it burst his neck open.
Uh okay. You know, I don't have to rule that out. Like, that's as a prosecutor, that's not my job. I don't have to rule out stuff like that. We're just talking
about reasonable stuff. Was there another shooter? Was he killed by another means other than a gun? Was uh was Tyler Robinson the guy who did it?
Was it someone else? Like that's those are the only doubts I have to rule out as a as a prosecutor. That's reasonable doubt. That's trial here. I don't have
to inter I don't even have to deal with all that stuff. I don't have to even rule out all this in between here in here. I just have to kind of get to a
middle ground. Just, you know, kind of is it more likely than not? I mean, that's a pretty safe way to say it. And as long as you can get there, he's going
to trial. And I'm I don't want to spoil the surprise by the end of the week, but they're going to trial. I mean, I just cannot imagine a scenario where this judge is not going to let this go to
trial. So, what about the rules of evidence? Because I I was I was watching several feeds today. I watched probably eight different feeds of people covering
this and probably half of them did not understand why some evidence was coming in. They kept saying, "Hey, this is hearsay. It shouldn't be coming in." And
at trial, it won't, but at the preliminary stage, it will. At least in Utah. Utah has a weird quirk. It's
called 1102 and it's embedded into their constitution.
And this 1102 rule that they have says that at the preliminary stage, they don't have to abide by the rules of evidence for evidence that's going to go
in front of a jury. They're allowed to use what's called reliable hearsay. The judge is the one who determines whether it's reliable, not the prosecution, not
the defense. They can both make arguments, and I think the defense made good arguments today that some of the hearsay wasn't reliable. the judge let it in anyway.
But regardless, well, there were two instances where he didn't. But, uh, regardless, they I thought they did a pretty good job of at least laying a
foundation, a record to review on appeal in the event Tyler loses. Um, and that's that's their job because you kept
hearing over and over the defense would make this um unconstitutional hearsay
32 minutesobjection. And and I I saw all over X. I saw in different uh feeds, all the comment sections, everyone saying, "What
is this unconstitutional hearsay objection? If the judge has already ruled on it, why do they keep raising it?" Here's why. We talked about Miranda a few weeks ago.
Miranda writes that you have a right to remain silent. Do you know how many people raised the issue before the Supreme Court finally considered it and
ruled in favor of Miranda against Arizona? A thousands, maybe tens of thousands of criminal trials. People went in front of the judge and said,
"Judge, my guy confessed, but they didn't tell him he had a right to remain silent." And the judge said, "There's no requirement to remain silent." And they said, "Well, we're raising a
constitutional objection. It it violates his Fifth Amendment right to remain silent, that he's not aware of his right." And the judges would say,
"There's no one telling us we have to issue this, so we're not going to." Well, eventually, one day, one of those
cases, actually four, made it to the Supreme Court. They combined them. They called it Miranda versus Arizona. But I think it was three or four different cases that were kind of smooshed together. All examining the same issue.
If a guy confesses but didn't know he didn't have to, do we have to give a new trial? And the and the Supreme Court finally said,
"Yeah." You know what? After a hundred years of hearing this and saying, "H, we're finally going to say yeah." And so what they're doing is they're lobbying
an objection in front of the judge to say, "Judge, you know this isn't right. This reliable hearsay stuff sucks.
We don't know who said this. We can't test it. We can't cross-examinate cross-examine them. We're allowed to attack the sufficiency, but then we can't attack the sufficiency because the
person who's who's in charge of the evidence isn't here.
And one day some appellet court may look at that and say, you know what, you're right. And so you raise the objection even though you know you're going to
lose it at the trial court level. I don't think the judge could sustain that objection if he wanted to. I don't think Utah law would Utah law would allow him.
34 minutesIt's in their constitution. It's in their code and their Supreme Court has said it's okay. The judge, if he ruled in favor of the defense on that issue,
the judge would be out of line. He would be making an illegal ruling. It would be an activist judge. We don't like activist judges in this country. Or we
don't. Some people do, but I don't. I think judges should follow the law even when they disagree with it personally.
And I think that's what the judge is doing. he's following the law. An appellet court may come later and say, "You know what? We agree with Tyler Robinson's counsel, but I don't think
the trial court judge has that um ability right now." So, I don't blame the judge for overruling it, but I also don't blame Tyler Robinson's lawyer for
raising it on every witness. They should in every exhibit. They should. They should because one day a court is going to have to look at this and say, "What's
going on in Utah? It's not right. It's not right at all." Now, I did speak to somebody today who
Chapter 6: Nobody from TPUSA or Law Enforcement has Asked for List of Media at UVU Event
told me something shocking. And before I get into the evidence, I want to get to this. A lot was made today about camera
footage, video footage, pictures, and what we got was a mountain of trash. We got grainy footage. We got stuff you
can't see. Uh uh we saw a p a car that kind of looked like Tyler Robinson's car pull up on a Ring doorbell camera and it
looked like you were looking at it through the ocean like it was on the bottom of the sea and we're at the I mean it just it was horrible. You could
kind of make out that maybe somebody stepped out of that car but you could not tell if it was a skinny guy or a fat
guy, a Mexican, a Chinese guy, a black guy, a white guy, a woman, a man. You could tell nothing about who got out of that car.
We've all seen the video footage of the guy scampering across the roof. You can't tell anything about that. Not a single person on earth can honestly sit here today and say, "I know that's Tyler
Robinson." You can't. You can't. But you know who might have had images? You know who might have had footage, camera footage,
still footage, moving footage of Tyler Robinson or anyone else or something else that might have happened that day?
Every media person in attendance.
If I wanted to capture all of the highquality footage from that day, including all of the high-quality cameras that were trained on Charlie
Kirk at the moment of the Big Bang, maybe somebody pick up something walking through campus. Maybe maybe Tyler Robinson or Lance Twigs or some other co-conspirator.
Maybe rule out that it could have been somebody else in the crowd that did it. Who's the first person you would call?
Well, you would want to call somebody with a master list of every media person who was there that day. I know that person's name. Her name's Aubrey Lech.
She used to work for TPSA until very recently.
Aubrey Lech is the person, the singular person who approved all the press passes that day.
You know how many people have reached out to her to determine who was there and who might have evidence that can either excate
uh or convict Tyler Robinson. Nobody. Nobody at TPUSA has reached out to her.
No one reached out to her while she worked there and said, "Hey, do you have a list of everybody who was here? We'd like to contact them and make sure they preserve their footage. Maybe give us a
copy of it. We're interested in who killed Charlie Kirk, how and why." There are a lot of rumors going around out there and if we had all the footage,
maybe we'd be able to assist. Not one person from TPUSA reached out to her.
Nobody at the Utah County Sheriff's Office who was tasked with investigating this crime to determine who killed Charlie Kirk, how and why. No one from
the Utah County Sheriff's Office reached out to her. No one from the FBI. The FBI has considerable resources when it comes
to looking at uh individual crimes. They could have taken this in. They could have run it through AI programs. They
could have at least cataloged it and preserved it somewhere as some sort of central repository of truth. All the highquality camera images that were
there that day. All the 1080 video, the 4K video, all the highquality 32 64 megapixel camera shots. Nobody from the
FBI reached. And shockingly, probably more shockingly than anything, nobody from the prosecution and nobody from the defense reached out to her to ask who was there.
who from the media was there. Instead, we're just grabbing footage that's floating around on the internet and
trying to run down who posted it. That's that's what we're doing. That's how we're solving the Tyler Robinson case.
That's how we're solving who killed Charlie Kirk, how and why. We're counting on interested people to have put it on X.
I think it's pretty shocking. And if I'm the defense, I think I jump up and down and make a deal out of this at some point during the trial. You guys did not
investigate this. You had an opportunity to contact every newsman there. And there were a lot of news people there. A
lot of media there. Shocking amount of media, frankly, for an event that size. Too much media.
And you have people calling at the last minute to get media passes. But they don't know who they were.
Nobody called her. Why? Wouldn't you think somebody would have?
I do. I think somebody I think somebody should have. I think somebody should have if they didn't.
Chapter 7: Today's First Witness - Officer Bagley and His Many Mistakes (Body Cam Malfunction, Trusting Unknown Man on Roof to Help Search Crime Scene, Inability to Identify Anyone and Anything)
All right, let's go through some of these clips. Some of the big moments from the day. The first witness was a guy named Chris Bagley. He sucked.
[laughter] He was a disaster. If I'm this guy, I'm getting out of town. I'm changing my name. I'm uh wearing a wig, shaving my mustache. I'm getting out.
This guy sucked. If I'm being honest, if I'm the prosecution, I'm like, is there a way we can try this case without this guy? I'm not sure you can. I'm not sure you can, but he sucked. He was horrible.
I do want to run through a little bit of his testimony here because it was a little shocking, frankly. It was a little shocking. Um, all right, let me
play this small sliver here and we'll talk about it. Um, did you make it to the rooftop?
I did. Do you know about what time you got there? Um, I pro I got there at .
Okay. Um, what did you do when you got on top?
Oh, let me just say that it was from the time you heard the big bang at 12:23
until Officer Baggley waddled over there by . . We've read the probable cause affidavit.
We'd read the charging documents.
And this is the first time we've gotten to hear from him live. This Bagley guy, he was the first one to respond.
He was positioned at the top of the Hall of Flags.
The Hall of Flags is that roof that was above Charlie Kirk and behind him.
And he hears the boom and he scampers down the stairs. He hangs out in the courtyard for a minute.
Well, I don't want to give away the whole thing, but he hangs around the courtyard for a minute, finds a gun holster, walks past it, doesn't catalog it,
doesn't just walks past it, and then he heads over to the Losi Center. Why?
Because he, in his expert determination, found that the Losi Center was the obvious place that a gunshot would come.
It's noteworthy that he's the only one who would have had eyes on the Losi Center. The only one who could have possibly had eyes on the Losi Center.
and video footage suggested he did.
Video footage from the moment of the bang suggests that's where he was looking yet. He didn't see anything, but he knew where to go.
Uh when I got on top, I hopped over the guardrail. Um I noticed that there was a an object which was sitting right about
10 or 15 feet in from the other side of the guardrail in the gravel. That looked out of place to me.
And in relationship to where you hopped over the guardrail, what direction was that object? Uh to the west of the guardrail.
Okay. And um did you recognize the object? I did. And what was it? It was a red and black screwdriver.
Okay. Um did you touch that object? I did not. Okay.
I am going to refer the witness on your screen, officer Bagley, to states exhibit 3.1.
Let me know when you see that. Yes, I see it. Do you recognize what that is?
I do. And what is that?
That's a picture of the screwdriver that I saw that day on top of the rooftop of the Losi building. Okay.
And that's how it appeared on the roof that day?
Yes. Is that a fair and accurate portrayal of the screwdriver you observed and found that day? Yes.
The state offers states exhibit 3.1.
Miss Nester, we renew, excuse [clears throat] me, we renew our standing objection and object on the grounds that there's no
foundation laid as to when the photo was taken or by whom. Thank you.
All right, let me pause this for just a second. Um, so that's the finding of the red and black screwdriver. Now, you
would think because this is after all 2024 or 2026, no, 2025 is when it happened. 2025.
You would think that this would all be documented somehow. He just found a critical piece of evidence, by the way. He found a screwdriver.
There's no evidence that Charlie Kirk was shot with a screwdriver. Don't get me wrong, but the screwdriver comes into play because of the absurdly ridiculous
story we're told that Tyler Robinson climbed to the roof of the Losi Center with a gun in two or more pieces. We're
44 minutesnot sure how many pieces. Used a screwdriver to fashion it back together. Somehow maintained a near-perfect zero.
Meaning where you're aiming is where the bullet will go.
And scured off the rooftop with all the evidence. Oh, but he forgot the screwdriver. Unlucky him. Unlucky him.
Now, you would assume that would be documented. We're familiar with body camera footage.
Officer Baggley, was it docu? It was documented, right, Officer Begley? You you documented it, right?
While you were on the roof, did you encounter any spent casings?
As a matter of fact, no. That's why when I I saw the prone position where the where the a person would be laying down as a sniper. Being around guns and
snipers all the time, I was looking for a spin shell casing. I couldn't see one.
I was looking over the edge, looking all over the place, making sure the gravel wasn't disturbed, and I couldn't find a shell casing at that moment. And that would be the reason you would be looking
for that was because some types of guns when they shoot eject a casing automatically, right? Some do, some don't. Yes.
Right. Um, and then you also didn't find any un unshot bullets? No. Okay.
Are you aware of there being a bullet found on another roof? I'm not vicinity.
Were you aware of another bullet being found on the scene, not on the roof of the Losi building?
No. All right. Your body cam footage that I reviewed appears to end while you're
still on the roof. Do you know why that is?
I think the battery went dead. It was destroyed at that moment.
Okay. And do you know did you ever turn it back on that day or go get it re I don't know. What do you have to do?
Charge it or stick a new battery in it? I don't even know.
Usually dock it, but no, I didn't go back. I was too It was too chaotic.
Body cam footage died at the at the critical moment. The body cam footage died. I was on the roof
scouring evidence. I was just about to find the fatal screwdriver. I mean the uh the critical screwdriver. I was looking for spent casings.
Oh. Oh, and Oh, the that pesky body came. Oh, it died. It died. Oh, it died. Yeah. Yeah. Uh what do you mean it died?
Well, it ju I it just ran out of juice.
Well, well, that's interesting. I'm I'm looking here at uh some body cam footage. I just wanted to know what kind of famous body cam footage companies are
out there. Here's Provision. This is a common body cam footage. Uh recording duration and storage limits. Uh full shift recording strains department
resources through increased data storage cost. Battery limitations also affect recording capacity with most current
generation cameras providing 10 to 14 continuous hours of continuous recording time. Wow. 10 to . That's amazing.
That's amazing. He got there at 11.
Now . That's only an hour and . Well, that must be an unusual model. Well, no. Here's a another common
model of body cam that police officers use. The Axon Body 4.
Purpose-built to be an incredible camera. This camera has a 13hour battery life, ensuring the camera is a reliable
full shift partner even when realtime services like live streaming are used.
Oh, so body cam footage is supposed to last
10 to , , and you got an hour and . And at the critical moment, right when all the marbles
are at risk, all of our chips are in the middle. We're down to the felt. The cards are about to be flipped over. The body cam footage dies.

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That's a little Jeffrey Epstein for me, if we're being honest. It just is.
It just is. It's the three minutes of missing footage in the middle of the night.
It's the Oh, the cameras were broken on that wing.
Sorry, guys. I'm not buying it. I think that's trash. I think that's trash. Uh, this is the guy who found the prone
position. You want to see what the prone position that he found looks like?
You You guys may complain and say, "Well, your screen is only recording at 1080." Uh guys,
this guy was talking about knee prints and footprints and elbow prints and rifle print.
Where are all these prints? Sir, this the gravel over here looks more disturbed than the gravel that you're saying is is the prone position here.
And we might believe that you found it in this condition if your body cam footage didn't die.
You're the worst witness I've seen in a long time in any trial. I can't believe they led with you. This is a disaster.
And and we're only like onethird of one witness in. Now, let's go back to the radio scanner.
Let's go back to the radio scanner here.
Let me back it up just a smidge to give you a little more context. Here is the radio scanner from that encounter.
Listen for the word screwdriver. You would think if he saw the fatal screwdriver that would be the first thing he would talk about.
Latest report says there's one on top of the building.
On top of the Losi building. I do have kind of a imprint which would be a great angle just in 14. I'm up on top of the Losi.
Do we have do we have uh suspect information or are we still looking for someone?
Yeah, they think uh your um DPS is requesting to try and get that motorcycle stopped. Maybe a suspect in that shooting. What was your traffic?
Hey B, can you tell if there's a camera in that area?
I know they have spotted somebody. I think they're still trying to make contact. I'll go ahead and spoil the surprise.
There was no screwdriver discussed on the dispatch.
You would think the guy with the dead body cam footage would have known to immediately signal in that you'd found evidence. Oh, we got a screwdriver
up here. Well, when he was in the preliminary hearing, that's the first thing he mentioned was the screwdriver.
Now, we can't find him anywhere. Well, did he go up there alone? Did Did this guy Did
this officer Baggley did he go up alone on the Losi Center? No, no, he didn't go up alone on the Losi Center. He had
company. Who Who accompanied him to the top of the Losi center? Do share. We're all on the edge of our seats.
Okay. And it was on Yes.
Um and it appears to me from reviewing your body camera that there was another individual who was with you that went to
the Losi building who was in civilian clothing but appeared to have a gun. Who was that?
I I don't know who he was exactly. He He had a badge on and I had somebody with me to back me up as I ran up the stairs to make sure I had somebody with me.
So, you don't know what agency he's from or where he's from? No. And he it looked like he had a pistol. Yes. Is that right? A handgun. Yes.
A handgun.
Okay. So, we've got officer Baggley somehow positioned at the top of the
Hall of Flags with a perfect view to the Losi Center. Appears on camera to be looking that way at the moment of the fatal shot. Intuitively says he didn't
see anything. Intuitively says that sounds like a rifle that came from the Losi Center or it sound like a rifle and it must have come from the Losi Center.
I don't know why he chose the Losi Center. There were all kinds of buildings around. They all made No, no, no, no. He went straight made a beline a
beline for the Losi center. When he gets there, his body cam fails. He shows up on the scene of the crime. He's ready to
find the screwdriver. He's ready to find the imprint of a body laying there. But that goddamn body camera footage failed after an hour and . That's too bad.
But he wasn't alone. Too bad we can't question the other guy. We don't know who he was.
No, just a guy in civilian clothes with a gun and a badge.
Who? Are you telling me there was law enforcement there that we don't have documented? We don't know who that was.
Maybe we'll find out who it was, but it's a little weird to me. How do we know this guy's not dropping screwdrivers? How do we know this guy's
not making imprints with his foot? We don't. We don't because his body cam failed and we don't know who that was.
Ladies and gentlemen, that's a little weird. I mean, just right out of the gate, that's a little weird. Is that reasonable doubt? I don't know. It's weird.
Definitely weird. Um, if if I was going to frame somebody, I, you know, might want to get on top of that roof with a
guy in civilian clothes and a badge and a gun to drop screwdrivers off. Maybe. I don't know.
But that happened. Like that was testimony in the courtroom today. That was testimony in the courtroom. Now, we
know for a fact, I got this from Honest Ash. Real Honest
Ash on uh on X. We know for a fact
that uh that this guy Bagley, at least he testified, reviewed some surveillance footage.
How confident was he in the surveillance footage that he reviewed? This this officer Baggley, what did he see precisely? It's all going to come down
to this. We're told he was on video camera, man. We saw the guy on video camera. He was up there with a gun. Oh, was he?
Did you mention anywhere in this report that you saw a gun? I did not. I just had an object.
So, he did not mention in his police report that he saw a gun. After reviewing the surveillance footage that we're promised
shows Tyler Robinson, not anyone else but Tyler Robinson, we're told this shows Tyler Robinson with a gun.
This is the guy who reviewed the surveillance footage. He He reviews the surveillance footage.
He writes up a report and doesn't mention a gun. Just mentions an object.
Well, now we're getting into mountains of reasonable doubt, right? Because you got to have a gun to shoot somebody. You can't shoot somebody with an object.
Some objects will shoot people, but a lot of objects won't. Broomsticks don't shoot people. Poles don't shoot people.
Flagsticks don't shoot people. All could be considered objects.
Did you mention that you saw that object? Is that on here? Nope. Okay.
Nope. That wasn't in there either, actually. So, get rid of the object.
That wasn't in his initial impression of the video either. So, you left that out.
Now, have you looked at that over and over again?
Of the video? No, I've only seen it twice.
Oh, really? When's the last time you saw it? Uh, it's been months.
Okay. The last time you saw it, were you able to tell what that object was in his hand?
Uh, yes. Well, not tell what it is. I can see there's an object in that left hand. Yes.
And could couldn't tell what the object was the last time he saw it. So, this is the guy we're relying on. This is the convicting evidence. This is the guy who they used
in the charging documents to say that Tyler Robinson scampered off the roof with a gun. This guy, it was his report
that didn't mention an object in his hand. And that he still looking back says, "Well, I can't tell it's a gun. I can just see it's an object." Knowing what you know about the case
today, do you have an idea about what that object was?
That's the question I wouldn't have asked. I've mentioned that earlier that I would not have asked a question. You know, sometimes you just let the
factfinder, in this case the judge, you just sort of let his imagination run wild. You don't, if you got a guy on the hook, you don't take him off and throw
him back into the ocean, right? You just let the And the prosecution is going to clean that up. But make them earn their money. They get paid a state paycheck.
They're probably making 120 150 grand a year to sit at that table. Let them earn their paycheck.
You don't have to go in and clean it up for him. Uh, you know, you said you didn't see an object, but are you sure you didn't see an object? Any idea what it could have been? Oh, come on. Don't Don't ask that question.
It looks like a a rifle or something to that effect. A long long object.
It looks a rifle or something to that effect. A long object. I can think of a long a lot of long objects that are not rifles. I've got I got several in here.
I mean, I got I got long objects in here. I got tripods for the camera, tripods for the I'm not suggesting a guy is on the roof with a tripod, but we're
talking about killing a man here. We're talking about depriving him of his life, putting him in front of a firing squad or injecting stuff in his veins that'll
cause him to suffocate and die. We might want to be a little more sure than Well, he had a long object, like a rifle,
like a long object, like skinny and long. You can see it's like almost like is covered over something.
So, you saw the cover, which was the towel, right? Yes. And and the shape of it is long. Okay.
So, he saw a long towel. That's what he saw. Uh some sort of cover. Some sort of long something.
So, you can see a towel, but you can't see an actual I don't know if it was a towel or a blanket. I don't know what it was. But you can't see an actual gun.
No, like an object like a form of a gun. Like a long object. Okay.
58 minutesyou mention somebody asked me the other day in a super chat, could I define circumstantial evidence?
I don't even think that's circumstantial evidence. Like that's just guessing like I saw something. He had he was holding something. Well, that something is
pretty important as we are reviewing the evidence, sir. That's pretty important.
Um, it actually, um, if you go to the original probable cause
affidavit, so this is from September 12th.
Um, if you go to the original probable cause affidavit, this is very consistent. What he said
today in court is very consistent with what was in the original probable cause affidavit. Here it is highlighted in blue. suspect appeared to be carrying an
item whose identity is not clear from the surveillance.
So, an unidentified object is what is being carried. That is the language from the probable cause affidavit on
September 12th. 4 days later, September 16th, we have ourselves new language.
We have ourselves new language. I think somebody realized you can't convict somebody for carrying a large object.
So, they've changed it. Camera later captures the suspect as he runs across the roof to the suspected shooting position. Immediately after the shot was
fired, a camera captures the suspect running across the roof carrying an item whose shape is consistent with a rifle.
I'm not even sure you can convict somebody for carrying an item consistent with the shape of a rifle. But at least we're getting somewhere.
But you have to admit the guy you're relying on didn't say that. That's not what he said.
That's not at all what he said.
In fact, what he said was he could not identify the person on the
roof other than not being hefty. I don't remember the exact words he used. I stole this from the dangster. I don't think he'll care. Jens, you're doing the
Lord's work out here compiling evidence for our program.
This is how he described the figure he saw on the roof. You have that day? Yes.
You mentioned when you went to the police department, you watched the video where you saw an individual
up on the roof, right?
And that individual was in the vicinity where you saw the disturbance in the gravel. Yes.
And um when you looked at that video, were you able to identify the individual's face? I know.
Well, that's a problem.
Um again, we're talking about putting a man to his death.
A lot of times you want to make sure you've identified the correct individual. We just got evidence that you actually cannot identify his face.
What about other characteristics?
Were you able to identify any markings on their clothing?
Uh no. No markings on the clothing. So all of a sudden the guy in the stairwell becomes largely irrelevant. We have no idea what the guy in the roof was wearing.
Were you able to identify their height? No.
Have no idea who it is. Could have been a 52, I don't know, Chinese guy. Could have been a 6' 9 in white guy. We don't know.
When you all when we looked at the picture of the I think you called it the sniper perch, I'm going to use your
word. um words. It looked like there was a measuring tape laid out next to it.
Did you ever were you present when they measured like the distance like how long how tall that person would have been? I was not.
So we don't know how tall he was. So you don't know what that is? I don't.
Um were you able to tell the person's weight from the video that you saw? I can tell he wasn't a heavy set.
Okay. So he's not a fatty. He's not a fatty. That's all I know.
I mean, I I don't even think we can say he at this point.
I I think we can't rule out the 50% of the population roughly, maybe 51% that's female.
At this point, we're going with human. I mean, I I think we're I think we can settle on human. I don't think it's Bigfoot up there. I don't think.
But we have no markings on his clothing.
We have no face. We don't know what he's carrying. It's an object. It's long, long object.
Um, we don't know how tall he is. We know he's not hefty.
He eats salad. That's the only thing we know about this guy. He loves salad.
Salad, fruit plates, 973 beef. That's all he eats. Lean cold
cuts, maybe some fish, steamed broccoli. That's all we know.
It's all That's all we know. The guy doesn't sit around bags of Lays. He doesn't eat a gallon of ice cream every night.
And I I don't even know what not heavy set means. I mean, that ain't the skinniest guy I've ever looked at. Is he Would he consider
himself heavy set? I think it would have been a perfect opportunity. Oh, man. Now that I think about it, as soon as he said he wasn't heavy set, let me pull
this back up. As as soon as he said he wasn't heavy set, I think Katherine Nester should have gone, "What about me? Am I heavy set?
Was he smaller than me? Would you call me heavy set? What do you mean by heavy set, sir? Heavy set's a relative term. I need to know how you're defining it.
I I mean, for force the guy into the most awkward conversation in the history of mankind.
What is one thing no man wants to be asked? Do I look fat in this?
4 minutesYou know, I would have been interested to know how he answered it. And that's no shade on Katherine Nester. I mean, just work with
what you got, girl. Use it to your advantage. He gave you an opening. Walk through it. Walk through it.
This is where we are in this case.
My body cam footage. I I just miraculously knew precisely which roof to go to. I was accompanied by a civilian or in a man in civilian clothes
in a badge that I didn't identify. I have no idea what agency he worked for.
Could have bought it on eBay for all we know.
Amazon could have used a 3D printer and shin that bad boy up with some Kryon
gold trim. I have no idea what agency he worked for, but he had a gun and a badge. So, I took him to the scene of
the crime and I made sure that my body cam footage died right when me and unknown guy
showed up to the scene of the crime and were the only two people there.
And then I later reviewed some surveillance footage and confirmed that some sort of creature was on that roof. Probably human. Probably human.
Uh not a fat human at that. Not a not a heavy set human.
uh an osimpic American and and uh and he was carrying something long. He had something long in his hand, but I don't
know what clothes he was wearing. I didn't identify his face. I was not able to get any identifying characteristic. I don't know how tall he was, how old he was, what color he was. I know nothing about the man.
I was promised mountains of evidence. I was promised mountains of evidence. I was pro They have him on camera. Well,
do they do they have him on camera? I mean, after today, do they have him on camera? Do they have Tyler Robinson on
camera committing a murder? It's important. We're charging a man. You You promised us mountains of evidence.
You promised us mountains of evidence.
Uh, the next guy that came up, oh gosh, didn't mean to start jumping in right away. The next guy who came up
Chapter 8: Today's Second Witness - How Did Terryl Farnsworth Give Videos to Feds, and Why Did He (Allegedly) Lie to Candace Owens
um was a guy named Hull, David Hull. I was hoping they would get to um Brian Davis today. They didn't. I think Brian
Davis will tell us for sure whether that 6:25 p.m. Miranda was on September 11th or September 12th.
That's going to be an interesting discussion. I think he'll I think he has to know the answer because he is alleged to have shown up at 10 or . The arrest documents say he got there at 10.
It'll be interesting. I'm sure the defense will cover it if the prosecution doesn't. But what time did you first hear about it? Where were you? Were you in Salt Lake City? Were you in Provo?
Were you in Oram? How long did it take you to get there?
So, what time did you leave to head there in order to get there at 10 or ? Did you Did you drive an extraordinarily high rate of speed
or did you drive normal 70 75 miles an hour down the interstate? I think it'll be interesting when that comes up. It'll
be very interesting. Uh, but the second witness was not Brian Davis as I'd hoped. The second witness was a guy named David Hull.
I found it noteworthy. I don't know why that the guy had some sort of accent that was unamerican. Um, I don't know if it I I'm not good with accents. I don't
know if it was British or Australian. I don't know what it was. But he didn't sound local. And I don't know why that matters.
You're allowed to be a cop and not an American or be raised somewhere else.
Maybe he is an American. Maybe he's a naturalized citizen. I don't.
And you could probably still do a good job, but you know, I favor the guy with the Uton accent in
this case. Um, but he was there largely, I'll say, to talk about the extra video footage. So,
he talked about the video footage from Terrell Farnsworth. By way of introduction, Terrell Farnsworth was the
guy who um who runs a company called Visual Impulse, I think, is the name of the
company. Visual Impulse, I believe, only has one client. They might have more, but I think they only have one client, and that's TPUSA.
So, Terrell Farnsworth is not a TPUSA employee. He's a contractor. is a contractor, but his office at least used
to be located in the building where Charlie Kirk was located in the studio where they filmed the Charlie Kirk show.
I don't think it's there anymore. I think they moved it to one of the other buildings. But regardless, he's on campus or or at the embassy as as they
like to call it at TPSA. the embassy there on Beverly Road in Phoenix.
There was an interesting discussion about how the FBI ended up with possession of
of the different video. And we have that we have that discussion captured. I want you to listen carefully to this
discussion because I'm going to hearken back to a conversation
um Candace Owens had with Terrell Farnsworth. But I want you to hear this first. Agent with the SBA.
Yes, we were able to collect video. Um TPUSA had a videographer uh visual impulse.
In case you thought I was lying about the accent, a videographer. a vigora.
I just thought I would just prove that I was right. He does not sound like he's from Utah.
Um who was taking coverage of the event and they provided video to us that they had captured on September 10th of 2025.
And do you know who or how that video was collected from Visual Impulse?
Yeah, Mr. Farnsworth originally provided, I believe, a flash drive to Lieutenant O'Brien with one of the local agencies.
And a short time after that, on September 10th, he provided um downloadable versions, electronic versions to Agent Mortonson.
And um an 11:02 was collected from him on May 6th of 2026.
So an 112 was prepared by someone with visual impulse.
Yes. Terrell Farnsworth was the individual that prepared it. And in preparation for this, I spoke to him personally regarding that statement.
And do you know what his association is with Visual Impulse?
Uh I believe he's the owner operator or the director of the the company.
And then who collected that 1102 statement from Mr. Farnsworth? Um it was Agent Mson who collected it.
Okay. And you know that because agent Mson told you or he provided it to me. Um, and then as I mentioned, I subsequently spoke to
Terrell Farnsworth personally regarding his statement. Okay. You had a chance to look at Mr.
Farnsworth's 1102 statement? I have. Yes.
Okay. And again, does that statement um include an advisory that any statement
that he provided would be used a preliminary hearing in lie of his live testimony?
Yes. Did it also include a warning that a false statement would uh potentially be punished by a class A misdemeanor? It did. Yes.
Okay. So, to clarify here, Terrell Farnsworth, we now know what date he turned over the footage. It was
on September 10th. We know the manner in which he turned it over. Turned it over two different ways. According to this
guy, one way he turned it over was via a flash drive.
That's a piece of hardware. It's a I think most of us know what a flash drive is. You plug it into your computer and you It has a uh all the files in there
and you just access it. That's one way this guy says he turned it over. The second way that he says he turned it
over was via um Google Drive was via Google Drive.
So that is how they say he turned it over. Flash drive and Google Drive.
But that's not what we were told initially. If you recall, are in the possession of the FBI.
That's what Andrew Kovette told us.
But that's not what the officer said at all. The officer said he never got the SD cards or he didn't mention getting SD cards. Instead, he said he got a flash
drive and a downloadable version from Google Drive.
That's interesting, the downloadable version from Google Drive. And I can show you that that is what Terrell said.
Terl apparently got over his fear of being hacked by Google because you remember he told Candace Owens he would
not share the drive with her. She just wanted to see did a shot come out the back and he said, "Oh, I I'm not going to share that with you. I'm afraid I'll get hacked by Google.
I'm afraid I'll get hacked by Google.
Well, that conversation took place shortly before September 19th. Uh, as Jillian Faith says here, uh, great to see he got over his fear that Google was going to hack him.
Apparently, this link no longer works.
People have tried it. I think it's diabolical, guys, if I'm being honest.
Uh on September 10, I was president at the Turning Point USA Valley UN uh Utah Un uh excuse me, Utah Valley University event.
Myself and my team were there to provide audio equipment setup, management, and support as we had done for Mr. Charlie Kirk for years. I'll tell you right now,
that first sentence, those first two sentences, that is evidence Terrell Farnsworth did not draft this. They said it was drafted by him. This was not
drafted by him. He would know that's not how you stylize Turning Point USA. It would either be he would have either put TP USA in all caps or Turning Point USA
with USA in all caps. He would not have put capital U lowerase A S lowercase A.
That that's not how he would have stylized that. Uh and I like to believe he wouldn't have started the sentence with myself. That's not proper English.
But maybe I'm giving him too much credit. And nor do I think he would have called him Mr. Charlie Kirk. Our camera setup consisted of three angles. An
angle directly on Charlie, an angle on the individual asking questions, and a wider angle behind Charlie that showed
the audience and crowd reaction. It's that wider angle behind Charlie that Candace Owens was talking about.
That day, September 10th, I provided SBI with four videos through a Google Drive link. And then he gives the link. these
videos labeled whatever duration 2620 whatever that is duration 2308 whatever that is duration 2648 and hyperdeck
whatever that is duration 2611 were taken by me and my team at the event on September 10th 2025
what's interesting about that is that's four different videos that he provided now he said he only had three angles
if if if you if you read. He says he has three angles. Now, now maybe one of these is some sort of like compilation that has all three videos on the same
screen. I don't know. But he says those four files and they they last between 26
and 23 and . I don't know why that one is shorter, but whatever. Were taken by me and my team at the UVU event
on September 10, 2025. These videos, as they were provided to SBI, are a true and correct representation of what took place. That's just foundational language
that has to be in there regarding the clip labeled as whatever I've reviewed.
And from what I can see, it is a true and correct representation of a portion of the larger files I previously sent to
the FBI. So, it sounds like the FBI clipped it and sent it back to him for additional authentication.
That's what it looks like to me going on in here. I don't again I don't know why four files instead of three when he says they only had three cameras. One of them may be some sort of super cut that has
all three on the same screen. I don't know.
And then it and then it sounds like this footage of crowd and behind Charlie that's bait stamped uh number 15 sounds like it's a clip of what he provided.
But regardless, he says he provided it by Google Drive. He doesn't mention a flash drive.
And he sure doesn't mention providing SD cards to them. And I think that's a key fact.
I think that's a very key fact because what's what's at question here is
whether these are precisely accurate representations of what was on those SD cards.
You know, I once you take the SD card and you load it into a computer and then you create a new file, you could
in theory, edit it. And some editing is really slick.
It's really slick. You might not catch it, right? You you might not uh even really sophisticated people just viewing it might not see it.
So, I think I would ask where are the SD cards and can we look at them? Is there a way to analyze them to see have they been altered? Are they the original footage?
I don't even know if that's possible. I mean, it's been 10 months. What What could What could have happened to those SD cards in 10 months? What could have happened to the footage?
And why was one of them three minutes shorter than the other?
And was it the full frame? Did we get the full frame? And did we see everything going on behind the table afterwards?
I just got a lot of questions. I've got a whole lot of questions when it comes to this stuff.
But that sounds like it's not sounds like it's not uh his handwriting. Sounds like it's not
his handwriting. Now, guess who crashed out all day? Uh I I'm not sure who is advising TPUSA at this
point. I'm not sure at all who is advising TPUSA at this point. Um, and I
can see Andrew is embarrassed by his crashs because he's now posted a bunch of stuff back to back to back in order to push them down. But I I just want to
go through some of these um some of this crash out over the last day or so. Um,
let's see here. Let me scroll back to late last night, I think, is when it all started. Wow.
Okay, here we go.
So, last night we covered on this program that um that there was an article coming out from a a National
Contagion Research Institute had provided some data showing that Candace Owens is radicalizing people.
And Andrew Kovette today, ago, reposted
a thread in which um somebody is is basically bad mouthing Candace for this.
And he goes through and I don't know, must have screwed it up because he kind of reposted it there.
Then he starts really going after her. Um, let me show you.
Here we go. So, Candace posts, "One more fight, Charlie. I don't fear these demons. We will win." That probably should have gone without a response from
TPUSA's chief PR person, but he could not help himself. Candace, you and Charlie were not friends. [laughter]
I love this. This is going to be a center point of this all day. He He fighting with her all day over Charlie didn't like you.
I had these same fights in fifth grade.
Billy doesn't like you. He's not your friend.
You and Charlie were not friends. He managed you. That's why I did the opening I did today. He's accusing
Charlie of being a liar and a hypocrite. All day long he goes into this. He kept things
light and polite so you wouldn't turn on the org. Show me any proof of genuine friendship from the last 12 months of his life. From the last 18 months, from
the last 24 months, not some 2018 text, something recent.
You gave him anxiety. In other Candace is the you here and Charlie's the him.
Char Candace gave Charlie anxiety whenever you Candace called or texted asking demanding to speak at our events.
He made me or Justin deal with you and George.
This is why when you tried to hire me in February 2024 for PR, I agreed to go along with it against my better judgment
because Charlie asked me to keep you close and protect the org from you.
I published as I tried to hire to run point prayed about it and felt the Lord told her a firm no. So I ultimately declined. This is your central foundational lie. You were not his
friend. You were not his defender. You were his tormentor. And now you torment his wife and the organization he built.
Candace, you are a fraud.
And then he goes on to quote Blake Nef here. As Charlie once told us, Candace is very easy to understand once you realize all she cares about is money.
Well, Candace did not take that lying down. Did not take that lying down at all.
And [clears throat] she had a response.
She had a response. In fact, many responses. [laughter] Here is one such response. Charlie had
so much anxiety about our friendship that he was the one updating me on the farce of October 7th. Really weird to continually initiate convos with someone
you're scared of. And this is Charlie Kirk texting her about the IDF knowing of the plan to kidnap before the event took place and her writing back unreal.
That was January of 2024. certainly within the last I don't know what do you say 24 months.
It's right outside the last 24 months.
Um and they just went back and forth all day.
23 minutesThey just kept going back and forth all day. It was absolutely ludicrous.
Andrew reposted somebody who said this. Candace and Charlie were not friends. I've spent the last year getting to know the leadership
at TPS USA. Oh, the last year. You say you must know everything then. I bet you're fun at parties. I spent hours in
char in conversation with Charlie Kirk, closest friends. Oh, that's not very comforting, sir. And
without fail, every single one of them tells me essentially the same thing.
Candace and Charlie weren't really friends. Well, we don't doubt that they'd say that. The question is, were they? And what you're saying here is you have no information relevant to that
inquiry. So, that's more uh more here. Here's Candace saying, "Andrew has recently been seeding the
narrative that Charlie distanced himself from me." Here's Andrew in his own words on a text chain with me and Charlie in May of 2024, denying that charge.
Charlie had my back 100%. His donors were the ones pressuring him. He always expressed to me that he thought the Daily Wire was behind the sudden push.
Here is Andrew Corvette texting Candace May 3rd, 2024.
We're not distancing ourselves from you.
This is Andrew Kovvette to Candace Owens. We are not distancing ourselves from you. We have a bunch of donors that want us to, but we deal with them
one-on-one. And this website is a resource explaining things. Most of them are fine once we sit and talk with them.
I wonder if it's Ben personally or Daily Wire pretty dirty.
And so Andrew here is tossing the dimminionative leader of the Daily Wire, Ben Shapiro, right under the bus
and backing over the little short bus right over him. I'm assuming it's a short bus, [ __ ] horse short bus, but he's backing the bus right over.
And then Charlie says, "Candice, we are with you 100%." Candace, we are with you 100%.
Then Andrew chimes in and says, "Yep, sounds exactly what someone would say to a person they're trying to manage."
Sir, you just called Charlie Kirk a liar and a hypocrite.
You just took his dead corpse and wiped your hind end with it after an especially steamy and greasy one. That's
what you just did, Andrew. Is that the look TPUSA is going for?
Scoring pot shots against podcasters by desecrating the image of your founder.
No, Charlie was just trying to manage you. He's a liar. You know, these are these are the two options Andrew has.
He's backed himself into a really strange corner and he didn't have to. He could have just ignored it.
Option A is the option he's chosen. Yes, Candace Charlie lied to your face.
He is a liar after all. Like me, Andrew Kovette, an admitted liar.
Charlie, it also is a liar. And I'm going to desecrate his corpse right here in public on X for all to see.
This particular tweet has already been viewed 261,000 times. That's a quarter million people have seen Andrew Corvette call Charlie Kirk a bold-faced liar.
Bald-faced liar. Whatever you want to call it. That's option A. The option he's chosen. Kick Charlie while he's dead.
Option B would be to say I'm lying now. I, Andrew Kovette, am lying now. You and Charlie were actually friends. I' I've been mistaken. I wasn't telling the truth.
He chose not to do that.
He chose instead to run over his dead friend, his alleged friend. I don't think they were friends. If anyone wasn't the friend, I think it's Andrew wasn't the friend.
I think Andrew was the handler. That's why I did the opening I did today. I think Andrew Andrew was inserted into TPUSA and Charlie was an unwitting asset.
Andrew was managing him. Andrew was planting things in his head. He was he had control of his Twitter account.
Like, how much better of a handler can you be than to actually be able to put words in the mouth of your unwitting
asset? Get on Charlie Kirk 11 Twitter feed and say whatever you want.
Like, that's handler gold.
Most handlers working with unwitting assets don't have that access.
But Andrew did.
Andrew did. He wasn't fine just desecrating Charlie's corpse on that one occasion. He actually went a step further. Here is Candace saying, "I'm
glad you finally came to the surface, rat." [laughter]
Your previous employees told me it was you and Erica that were teaming up with the YouTubers to put out that utterly fake narrative that Charlie and I were not friends and he had anxiety.
You also worked together to lie about his pull towards Catholicism and to put out the deranged narrative that I secretly loved Charlotte and hadn't
spoken to him since 2019 despite me touring with him through May of 2024.
Your lies are easy to debunk. I simply could have not have demanded to speak at any TPS USA event because we had a speaker contract that rolled over
Chapter 9: Andrew Kolvet's Crash Out on Candace Owens
annually. Andrew, this means I never had to beg or even request to speak at any event because I was contractually
obligated to speak at every major TPUSA event every year.
It's also utterly ludicrous to suggest he didn't pick up my calls because I never call. Any person who knows me knows I never pick up or call people.
But you lie so much. I'm going to accept this easy challenge to prove you're a liar by releasing every single time I dialed Charlie's number for the last
three years. As soon as I'm back on air, that will be released. Man, when she gets back, it's going to be bad on these people. And I know they are anticipating it, which is why they're freaking out
right now. They're trying to seed and poison the well before she gets back
because when she gets back, it's going to be bad for them. And they know it. I've promised it and they know it.
Gratefully, telephone logs go back five years. I simply prefer to text and I thank God for that as I've been able to debunk your lies about Charlie because
of that habit. Like I said, your number one problem is you are dumb.
Regarding your narrative that we never spoke, I literally just released Charlie and I discussing your partner Johnny Moore's demonic attack against Crisis King, a convo initiated by Charlie.
Those messages are dated to May 2025.
30 minutesBut hey, let's hear Charlie's own words regarding our friendship, shall we?
Here, Charlie. captured August 21, 2025, three weeks before he died. But what did he say? What did he say? Three weeks relationship with Candace Owens.
She's a great friend. You know, look, I don't agree with everything Candace says. But you know what I don't do? I don't stop being friends with people just because people morally blackmail me. I don't do that. And you shouldn't.
Honestly, I traveled the country with Candace. I went to her wedding. I saw her meet her husband. I went to Israel with Candace, which is a fun story I'll tell you at some point. I I think the world of Candace, she's a great mother.
She certainly has very very fun opinions at times and she's a great talent. She says a lot of stuff that sometimes I
don't agree with but that's what makes the rel our relationship and our friendship relationship with Candace Owens not
well Andrew could have chosen to ignore that but no he has to
dig Charlie up and set him on fire. not not content with wiping his hind quarters with Charlie's dying dead
corpse. He has to dig him up and set him on fire. I was actually with Charlie at the event. We traveled that entire week together. As Charlie says here, he would
never allow someone else to morally blackmail him into condemning anyone. I love that about him. All this clip demonstrates is that he was a gentleman
who believed a personal relationship with someone put that person off limits.
He was very forceful on that point. But you might have also noticed he's scrambling to defend your very fun opinions that he didn't agree with.
And now we're going to put words in a dead man's mouth. And when he got off stage, the first thing he asked me as we walked to the car was how I felt he
handled the Candace answer. He said he knew you'd eventually see the clip and wanted my opinion on how it came across.
I told him he handled it well. And he said the Candace questions are only going to continue to get crazier.
Uh, continue. The crazier your commentary got. We have to be ready for them. He was walking on eggshells, Candace, because he knew he was one clip away from you turning on him in the org.
Hope that helps.
It wasn't just Charlie lying by text directly to Candace. He wasn't just lying to one person on the other end of a text thread. He was lying to thousands
Chapter 10: Personal Message to Andrew Kolvet: You're Destroying Charlie Kirk's Legacy by Calling him a Liar and a Fraud
of people at an event who paid or showed up to see him. He'll lie to them too.
Candace and the world.
If you believe Charlie, if you believe Andrew, Charlie was a hypocrite. Charlie was not worth following.
Charlie had no spine, no backbone, and he had no honor, no integrity, no nobility.
There was nothing good about Charlie's character according to Andrew Kovette.
Because anyone who will lie to you that frequently, that often, and frankly lie to that many people, is a lousy individual. It's a it's a terrible human being.
I don't believe that about Charlie Kirk.
I didn't agree with him on every political issue. I stated that early and often when I started covering this case um that his foreign policy was not my
cup of tea, but that over the past 12 to 18 months, he'd started coming around a little bit to see things more my way when it comes to American interventionism.
But what I never thought Charlie was was a diabolical being. I never thought he was a liar. I never thought he was a habitual liar. And I never thought he
lied with ease. I might have thought he was mistaken, but I thought he was decent. Good. Andrew Kovette did not think that.
At least not what he's saying now.
Rather, Andrew Kovette thought Charlie Kirk was a monster.
Someone who would lie at will just to plate people because he didn't have the spine, the backbone to handle the
fallout. That's a coward. That's what we call a coward. You, sir, are taking the coward's way out here, Andrew. You're taking the coward's way out.
34 minutesWhat you've done today has done more to demean and degrade Charlie's memory
than anything Candace's Owens has ever said about Erica Kirk.
Erica has lied. It's documented. How many college degrees does she have? How many pageantss did she enter? How many
people did she date? When did she date them? These are all documented facts.
that she lied about. At least best I can tell. And I've never been corrected on that record.
But what you're doing, Andrew, is not documented.
You are putting words into a dead man's mouth to call him a liar. You're interpreting the texts that Candace is
putting forward. You're not providing evidence that Charlie felt any of these things. It's a funny thing about what you and TPS USA do. This seems to be a habit.
We don't have any documented evidence that Charlie ever wanted Erica to take over.
All we got was some clipped up one and 3/ divided into two brief clips out of context. No idea what he was
talking about. And from that, you tell us that of course Charlie wanted Erica to take over. Who could doubt it? We
released the video. No, you didn't. No, you didn't. We don't know what that video was talking about.
Then you tell us, well, we can back it up because he told all of us personally and individually. Well, he never wrote it down. He never put it
in a text. He never put it in any of his journals.
He never talked about it openly on any stage. And in fact, it went against absolutely everything he said on every single stage he would ever been on when
he talked about if a woman can afford it, she should be home with her kids.
That's the most important thing a woman can do.
Everyone except Erica. You see, Charlie wanted Erica in the office. She wanted her at the founders ball. Where were her kids? She wanted her on speaking tours.
Where were the kids? She wanted her putting on her pumps, playing boss babe. That's what he really
wanted for Erica. That's what you're telling us.
And all we have are the words of Charlie Kirk himself that fly in the face of all of that. It's the exact same thing here,
Andrew. All we have are the words of Charlie Kirk and you
who told Candace continually for years that Charlie was in fact her friend, cared for her deeply, kept her updated
on things, was not stabbing her behind her back,
was communicating with her, was confirming their friendship on a regular basis, was even speculating out
there. I think it was the Daily Wire who might be doing this. That diabolical, dastardly Ben Shapiro. Perhaps he's the one you should be going after.
Not sure how I'd feel if I was Ben Shapiro today.
But this is the way you've chosen to treat Charlie's memory. Every time something comes up that seems to fly in
the face of everything Charlie actually said, you guys have some super secret conversation that took place behind the
scenes that went against all of it. And what it means is that Charlie was not an honorable man. He was not an honest man.
He was a diabolical maniacal liar. A habitual pathological liar. He lied about what he wanted women to do in the
workforce. He lied about his relationship with Candace. What else did he lie about, Andrew? Can we just get it all out now? Can we go ahead and
completely desecrate his corpse? Can we go ahead and completely roll over it with a steamroller while we're going ahead and doing all the rest of this?
38 minutesWhat you're doing is gross. And I don't I don't know if you know you're doing it or if you really hated the man because you were assigned to him as a handler
and you had no respect for him whatsoever. because that's what you're acting like.
You're acting like you were the one who was making all the calls.
And I'm telling you right now, this is horrific. This is horrific.
What you're telling all of the TPUSA followers is you've been duped. Charlie Kirk is not who you thought he was.
You guys who used to tune in every day for the Charlie Kirk show, he was lying to your face. You were following a liar.
All of you who booked hotel rooms and traveled to cities to see Charlie Kirk speak live. Waste of time. He was just a two-bit liar.
All you people who read his 16 best-selling books, he didn't mean any of that. He's just a pathological liar, according to Andrew.
I'm not sure you're doing what you think you're doing, sir.
I don't know where you learned your PR skills, but go back and get your money back. You've been let down.
Someone failed you in life.
Someone failed you miserably and you should be ashamed. But I don't think you have any shame. So, I expect this
terrible behavior to continue. I can't wait to find out next from Andrew where else Charlie told habitual lies.
can just tune into his X feed and find out. I suppose I'm sure it's coming.
All right, that's my message to Andrew.
Um, if you've liked the program, please by all means, uh, feel free to hit the like button. If you're not a subscriber, you think you're a subscriber, go ahead and double check.

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Zach Costello
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Evidence was presented at the Tyler Robinson preliminary hearing and there are some problematic issues we need to discuss. Andrew Kolvet continues to dig himself into a deeper hole attacking Candace Owens...



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Hello everyone. Welcome to the Zack Costello Show. Before we get started, as usual, if you all don't mind center
myself here, hitting that like and that subscribe button. If you've already been subscribed, I just ask that you double check and make sure that you still are.
I'd really appreciate it. Also, leave a comment, leave a super chat, engage with me here so we can talk.
Okay. All right. My goodness, there is a lot coming out right now in this Tyler
Robinson preliminary hearing. And I'm going to take you through some of the, and I say this not exaggerating,
shocking findings that came out today, but also some from yesterday that were also clarified today, which you are
going to want to see. We have that UVU surveillance video that finally dropped.
We have Ring doorbell footage. the prosecution claims of Tyler Robinson allegedly driving around Provo in the
aftermath of the Charlie Kirk assassination, which the defense team shut down, bringing forth actually the
interview testimony from the owner of that home where said Ring doorbell came from. They're going to want to see this.
We also have the date that Tyler Robinson turned himself in to authorities. We have the video of the individual on the roof doing what?
Taking the shot, you might ask? Getting in the prone position. Well, you're about to see this was a fire hose of information.
Like, as I'm preparing for the show today, I'm like, "Oh my gosh, I got to include this. I got to include this. I gotta [laughter] include this." I was originally scheduled for 2 PM. I
had to move it back because there's just so much information here. But it's good.
It's going to be really good as you guys are about to see. But first, and this came up yesterday in the show as we
address the Andrew Kovette crash out on Candace Owens and how he exposed himself and how he's exposing Charlie. It's not good.
But he's trying to use this already debunked claim that he himself debunked.
I don't know why he's doing this, that Charlie and Candace Owens were not friends. His claim is that Charlie kept
talking to Candace to plate or to manage her in order to protect Turning Point USA from Candace Owens.
In the immediate aftermath of Charlie getting killed, Tucker Carlson hosted the Charlie Kirk show with Andrew
Kovvette and Blake Nef, otherwise known as Tweedle D and Tweedle Dumb.
And Andrew Kvette shared this story of himself and Charlie. All right, I want to start with this.
Take a listen.
Story like this, too. And I'm I'm ashamed that I am the villain in this story. Basically, it was two weeks before he died and I'll never forget it.
You catch that real quick, though.
Isn't it interesting? Andrew says, "I'm ashamed because I'm the villain in this story." It's the one that he's about to tell, but it's an interesting comment to make.
Let's let that was me talking over this, pausing it. This is a clip from my own show. I'm pausing this to comment on
Andrew Kovette calling himself the villain. Here we go. Let him continue. I there was just some annoyance that was, you know, in our way and we we we needed
to deal with something. I can't even remember what it was. And I just remember going, "Hey, you know, we could just tell him XYZ and translation. We
could just, you know, little white lie and it'll go away. They'll understand." And I remember seeing the like the dots he was typing right away. [laughter] Right away. We don't lie.
It was a private message with me. And And it wasn't you don't lie. It's not I don't lie. It was Andrew.
We we here on this show in this turn in Turning Point, we don't lie.
Well, it turns out that Andrew Kovette does in fact lie. Okay. If there's anything that we discovered from this
whole exchange yesterday, it's actually Andrew Kovette admitting that he and Charlie, at least that's what he's alleging here, are lying. that that
that's exactly what he exposed himself doing throughout this entire crash out
yesterday. Okay. So, what Candace is doing, what Candace has repeatedly done
are drop text message receipts of her and Charlie Kirk talking as friends.
She's now provided multiple examples of her and Charlie talking about personal things, political things, all sorts of things.
Candace Owens posted this of Andrew Kvette telling Candace Owens that they have a clip of Charlie defending her.
We have a clip of Charlie Kirk defending his relationship with you coming out. He was asked at an event why he didn't
denounce you and he was like because we're actual real friends and I don't appreciate being publicly blackmailed so
pound sand type of response. It was fantastic.
That's Andrew Kovette texting that to Candace Owens. Candace saying, "Yeah, I remember you were there too. you texted me and asked me to push the clip, remember?
And then he's clarifying down at the bottom there. This is a lie. He said, "Why would I debate Candace?" Andrew Kovette is literally in this text
message telling Candace Owens that they had a clip defending a clip coming out defending Charlie Kirk's relationship with Candace Owens.
Okay.
Andrew reposts this and says, "You're making my point for me. Thanks. Why do you think I reached out? Because Charlie
told me to get ahead of it. Did it ever occur to you that he watched how poorly you behaved when you left DW and he
didn't want that for his own organization?" Now, this is where it gets this is the clip that they're talking about. the clip that we showed even on the show
yesterday of Charlie saying that he and Candace were still good f good good friends. Andrew saying, "I was actually with Charlie at that event and we had to
do some PR afterwards basically to spin this to you to make it look like Charlie was actually really your friend so that
you didn't turn on the organization." By the way, you see that community note there? Andrew Corvette is being community noted left and right for this
exchange yesterday. Andrew Kvette texted Candace Owens asking her to share the clip of Charlie defending their friendship, [laughter] calling his response fantastic.
Charlie's response here fantastic. Okay. And then you've got this.
Candace Owens posted, "Andrew has recently been seeding the narrative that Charlie Kirk distanced himself from me." Here's Andrew in his own words on a text
chain with me and Charlie in May of 2024 denying that charge. Charlie had my back 100%. His donors were the ones
pressuring him. Andrew Kovette texted Candace Owens and says, "We are not distancing ourselves from you. We have a
bunch of donors that want us to, but we deal with them one-on-one." Okay. And then at the bottom there, you see Charlie Kirk saying to Candace, "We are
100 We are with you 100%." What Andrew Kvette is saying there up top, responding to Candace Owens here,
said, "Yep, sounds exactly like what someone would say to a person they're trying to manage.
Why is that significant?
Why is that significant?" Because Andrew Kovette is admitting right there. He is admitting that he is lying to Candace Owens.
So he's lying to to spin it to plate or to manage Candace.
We don't lie.
Charlie Kirk is instructing Andrew Kovette on how to operate in the PR or media space. We don't lie. What Andrew
Kovette is saying here is that well actually in fact they do. Actually, we do lie.
He is lying because precisely what he is saying there.
Only one of two things can be true here, guys. Either Candace and Charlie remain friends, which I tend to just believe.
Or Andrew Kovette is lying. They're doing media spin and lying about
Charlie Kirk's relationship with Candace Owens. So in fact they do lie, right?
That's what's happening here.
But now the crazy part is what people are actually saying is that
because Candace is publishing all of these personal messages, she's ruining Charlie's reputation, which is absolutely hilarious at this point.
Candace Owens is literally just proving to everyone that she and Charlie Kirk were friends. They exchanged text messages about personal things,
political things, etc. Andrew Kovette is the one now claiming that he was placating or managing Candace and pretending to be her friend.
Yet Candace is the one that's hurting Charlie Kirk's reputation.
It's comical. It's comical at this point. What Candace is proving via these messages is that Charlie was a decent
friend, that they were friends. That's what Candace is proving with these messages. What Andrew is arguing here,
what Andrew is arguing is that Charlie Kirk was a manipulative political snake.
That is the view that Andrew Kvette is trying to paint of Charlie Kirk here.
But it's Canis's fault. Canis is the one ruining Charlie's reputation. Unreal.
Unreal. Okay.
But as we begin this segment of the show getting into the evidence against Tyler Robinson being presented yesterday and
today, I want to stay with this Tucker Carlson on the Charlie Kirk show because
they spoke about a very important piece of evidence at the time.
They talked about Terrell Farnsworth and what he did with the SD cards, the SD cards in the camera or in the cameras
that were surrounding Charlie Kirk the day of his assassination.
And I want you guys to remember here what Andrew Kovette said happened.
Okay? And then we're going to look at Terrell Farnsworth's Terrell Farnsworth's sworn statement that was released at this preliminary hearing.
Take a listen here. All right. Uh I have a clip of Charlie talking exactly about what we're talking about and we're going to play it in about .
Nice.
[music]
The subtle taste I learn to want at all. Isn't [laughter] Isn't that the song?
Oh man, I didn't even realize that that was on when I took that clip. Is that Is that Green Day? [laughter]
[gasps] Oh, you guys got me singing again. I don't know. I was listening to that. It just came to me. But the taste
though I don't want to leave at all. All right, I see you guys in the chat telling me to stop. I'll stop.
There's a part of me that always wish that I could be a singer. Like I wish that I could be in a band. I wish that I could sing. And that was my thing.
But I can't. I can't. All right, here we go.
So, so before this starts and I wanted to include that I when I went back because I covered this I covered this
show. It's the we don't lie show from back in uh I think April. April 1st I think is the date that I did this live
show. But when I went back to get this clip of them talking about Terrell Farnsworth,
me singing came up and me singing came up and I need to correct myself. I need to be on the record correcting the misinformation that I just shared right there.
It's not Green Day. It's not Green Day.
It's the All-American Rejects and it's it ends tonight. That's the song.
And and those lyrics that I just that I just did right there. [laughter] I didn't even do any lyrics.
[gasps]
I actually looked up the lyrics. Do you know what they are? Your subtleties,
[laughter]
they strangle me.
Your subtleties, they strangle me. Your subtleties, they strangle me. [laughter]
[gasps]
Oh. Anyway. All right. All right.
Let's not get too distracted here. Let's not get too distracted.
Let's allow them to go here. They're going to go here with talking about what Terrell
Farnsworth did that day at UVU and what he did with these SD cards. Here we go.
Charlie was very well aware of the existence of evil. Obviously, so were us on his team. You know, there's a By the way, just one other conspiracy theory I
just want to snuff out here. one of our dear friends that literally from the very beginning started with us and loved
Charlie like a brother. He grabbed the SD cards out of the camera afterwards and there's all these conspiracy videos about why did he grab the SD cards?
Well, first of all, they're in the possession of the FBI. Okay, it's not like he took them and like ran off with them. Second of all, I asked him personally. I said, "Why did you do
that?" And he looked at me and this was his answer. He said, "Because I know people can be evil.
and he did not want that footage being grabbed by somebody. There was videos of people after the incident going and stealing hats off the table. I mean, so
I'm so grateful he did that and that that was his instinct. He's like, I'm depressed to know that that was why I did that. But I knew that I had to
protect that footage because I know I wanted I mean, you know, you're recording in like 4K, you know, and so I'm so glad he did that. But Charlie
knew the existence of evil. And so can I just say I think that All right. And then Tucker goes off with regard to like Andrew's talking about
what Terrell Farnsworth did and and Tucker kind of gives it to him. He's like, "No, like people have been lied to, so we're going to question all these things." And Andrew Kovette and Blake
Nef just have to sit there and take it from Tucker. It's a great clip. But this isn't about Tucker Carlson's response.
This is actually precisely what he just said about Terrell Farnsworth.
So what we now know because of Terrell Farnsworth's sworn statement are a couple very important things. All right, I'm going to bring Farnsworth's
uh sworn statement up here on the screen. It's tough to see, but I'll read to you guys the relevant parts. So, this
was read at the preliminary hearing yesterday. So, what Andrew Kovette just said is that Terrell Farnsworth gave the
SD cards, which would be the raw footage of what happened. He gave those SD cards to the authorities in the immediate aftermath.
According to Terrell Farnsworth's sworn statement, on September 10th, I was present at the Turning Point USA Utah
Valley University event. Myself and my team were there to provide audio, video, equipment, setup, management, and
support as we had done for Mr. Charlie Kirk for years. Our camera setup consisted of three angles. an
angle directly on Charlie, an angle on the individual asking questions, and a wider angle behind Charlie that showed
the audience and crowd reaction. That day, September 10th, I provided SBI
with four videos through a Google Drive link. And then he shares the link there.
These videos labeled and then he goes off on the video names were taken by me and my team at the UVU event on September 10th, 2025.
These videos, as they were provided to SBI, are a true and correct representation of what took place at UVU.
Okay. So, why is this significant and why is this different than what Andrew Kovette just said? Because Terrell Farnsworth actually in his sworn
statement is saying that he did not give the FBI, the authorities,
the raw video footage. He did not give them the SD cards. He actually gave them these files on a flash drive, which
means that the raw footage was uploaded to a computer and then it was then provided via a flash drive after the fact.
Okay, that is a discrepancy given what we've been told about the SD cards and the raw
footage versus what was actually provided to the FBI. Now, what I also find very interesting about this, and
this is actually gets confirmed in the trial when the defense is questioning David Hull, who is the lead agent. We're
going to get to him to in a second, who is the lead agent for the Utah FBI.
He talks about the different camera angles here.
He's given the one from behind, which we now know because Candace Owens shared that from Terrell Farnsworth.
He also has footage that was submitted to the FBI from the camera from the front. So they have what happened to
Charlie Kirk in 4K directly from the front.
That is proven right here in this statement from Terrell Farnsworth.
Okay. But it's important for us to realize that we have [gasps]
we legitimately have a discrepancy between what was provided to the FBI, what was provided to the FBI and what we
were told was given to the FBI. So, it wasn't the SD cards, it wasn't the raw footage, it was a flash drive.
Okay.
Another piece of video evidence that would be very helpful would of course be the body cam footage
from the officer who investigated the Low C Center rooftop in the immediate aftermath of Charlie being killed.
Right? That would be very helpful information. That officer's name was Officer Baggley.
And I want you to listen to what happened to the body cam footage.
after he got to the rooftop. Take a listen.
You were on the roof. Did you encounter any spent casings?
As a matter of fact, no. That's why when I I saw the prone position where the where the a person would be laying down as a sniper, being around guns and
snipers all the time, I was looking for a spent shell casing. I couldn't see one. I was looking over the edge, looking all over the place, making sure the gravel wasn't disturbed, and I
couldn't find a shell casing at that moment. And that would be the reason you would be looking for that was because some types of guns when they shoot eject
a casing automatically, right? Some do, some don't. Yes.
Right. Um and then you also didn't find any un unshot bullets? No.
Okay. Are you aware of there being a bullet found on another roof? I'm not vicinity.
Were you aware of another bullet being found on the scene, not on the roof of the Losi building? No.
We're going to get to this in a second.
She's asking him, "Are you aware of another bullet that was found?" When she questions, this is Kathy Nester of the defense team. When she questions
David Hull, who is the lead agent for the Utah FBI, as you're about to see, there was another bullet found on another
building. There was another bullet found on another building, which I am going to show you guys here. But anyway, this is
officer Haggley Baggley, excuse me, and he is the UVU officer that arrived at
the Losi Center roof first after the shooting. Take a listen to this.
All right. Your body cam footage that I reviewed appears to end while you're still on the roof. Do you know why that is?
I think the battery went dead. It was just right at that moment.
22 minutesOkay. And do you know did you ever turn it back on that day or go get it re I know what you have to do charge it or
stick a new battery in it. I don't even know.
Usually dock it, but no, I didn't go back. I was too It was too chaotic running around.
So that and body cam that starts when you're at the Hall of
Flags and ends while you're still on the roof, but haven't put the crime tape up yet. That's the only body cam you have that day. Yes. Great.
While you were Well, the only body cam footage from the officer that was the first one on the Losi Center roof, excuse me, um went
dead the moment that he arrived on the roof.
You guys know why this would be significant, right? Because this is the officer here that also allegedly found the screwdriver with Tyler Robinson's
DNA on it. and that screwdriver on the roof because there's no spent shell casing on the roof.
There's no spent shell casing. The spent shell casing was found where the rifle was hidden, not on the roof.
The screwdriver is the only piece of DNA evidence that links Tyler Robinson on that rooftop.
and the first officer to report on the scene at that rooftop. When he arrives up on the rooftop, the moment he does, his body cam footage goes out.
[laughter]
Okay. Okay.
Also, the indictment says that officer Baggley immediately rushed the low sea center rooftop.
You guys know what time he arrived first at the rooftop? You guys know what time it was? 12:44 p.m.
That's after Charlie was
after the event occurred on Charlie Kirk. .
The event occurred at 12:23 p.m. Officer Baggley arrives on the rooftop at 12:44 p.m.
Well, Zach, you might ask, they have the video UVU surveillance.
Like they said, they have the video of Tyler Robinson, of Tyler Robinson getting on the rooftop, getting in the
prone position, taking the shot. They have that video in this overwhelming mountain of evidence.
They have this. They have all of it.
This body cam footage. It shouldn't even matter. Well, the UVU surveillance video is out.
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all right, back to it. Back to it. So surely surely what we would find and
what we would have today with this overwhelming mountain of evidence against Tyler Robinson is we would
finally be able to match these images of Tyler Robinson
here as that individual in the stairwell walking around because there's so many cameras, there's so much surveillance footage.
28 minutesIt was only a matter of time. I mean, when they put all of this out, we would see, any of us who doubted that these individuals were the same person, we
would finally see, of course, that this was Tyler Robinson walking through UVU, walking through the
tunnel, walking up the stairwell, we would finally be able to to put to rest the fact that Tyler Robinson has a
massive jaw and long face, and the individual in the stairwell has a a tighter chin.
Right? We'd finally be able to, all right, well, okay, these photos may not be perfect, but now we can see it because we have the the surveillance
video. We'll be able to see really what they're looking at to make this obvious that it was Tyler Robinson actually on the roof.
Well, let's get into this UVU footage because it dropped today.
Let's go ahead and put it on all screens.
No, I appreciate it is uh so it is admitted and uh may be published to the screens
and uh just want to make sure it's on your screen agent. All right.
So what's happening here is they're they're starting the UVU surveillance video and we're going to go through this. We're going to go through it and there are some oh man there are some
very very interesting things that you guys are about to see here. All right.
So, this is the very beginning of Tyler Robinson arriving into a parking garage the the the morning of September 10th.
Take a listen.
All right. Uh, Mr. Sturgil, I'll you may proceed.
Appreciate that, Judge. Thank you. Go ahead.
Okay. What are we seeing here, Agent Hall?
Uh, that's a vehicle is believed to belong to Mr. Robinson arriving in the parking garage on campus. At what time in the morning? Is what?
Well, what what time of the day? Uh it's approximately 8:30 in the morning on September 10th, 2025.
And and what leads you to believe that this particular vehicle belongs to Mr. Robinson?
Uh information uh that was provided um regards to driver's license and Department of Motor Vehicle records, the
vehicle fits the description of a vehicle owned by Mr. Robinson.
Is is there anything unique about that vehicle that stands out to you? Uh the the shape of the vehicle is is very distinct but predominantly the wheels
were very distinctive on this uh version of the vehicle. Now what do we see?
Uh the driver of the vehicle exits the vehicle and then uh walks on foot to exit the parking garage.
It's the individual in the the red t-shirt and the shorts and the shoes.
And do you believe you recognize who that person is?
Yes. Who is that? I believe that's Tyler Robinson. Right. Where does he go from there?
Uh he heads out of the parking garage on foot uh into the campus um and actually goes to the quad area of the campus.
At that time he makes contact with uh some representatives from TPUSA by quad area.
Sorry. The Did you hear that? at 8:30 a.m. in the morning, this individual and and to to to call this individual Tyler Robinson.
This is again David Hull, who is the lead agent for the Utah FBI.
He keeps referring to this to this person that we're seeing here, this individual as Tyler Robinson.
And you're going to see why that becomes very problematic here. But did you hear what he just said? He arrived at 8:30 a.m. He began walking around campus and
he started to make contact with individuals from Turning Point USA.
He met with Turning Point USA reps or he had conversation with Turning Point USA reps.
Did you guys hear that? We continue.
The amphitheater is is what I've previously referred it to. All right.
So, he goes up on campus, visits the the the amphitheater area, the courtyard or quad. Correct. Um and and then what do we see here now?
He returns on foot back to the same vehicle.
And what time is he returning back to the vehicle? Uh it's about 9:25 a.m.
Now, what do we see? Okay, that was the images of the car. That was his initial visit on campus.
Starting at , going until about . Now, here is where the individual that was spotted in the stairwell is originally spotted with maroon clothing.
Here we go.
This is Mr. Robinson returning to the campus on foot from um the neighborhood to the northeast. You can see he's wearing the same clothing as in the
previous video and he's carrying a blue backpack. Describe the clothing.
Uh it's a maroon color t-shirt uh with uh gray or olive colored shorts and then Converse shoes.
And what time did he return to campus? Uh, just after 10:00 a.m.
And does he leave the parking structure eventually? Uh, he does. Yes.
Okay. And during this visit, do you know where he goes after he [snorts] leaves the the parking structure?
Yes, we we're able to track his movements on campus. He went to Chick-fil-A um in the Sorenson building. Mhm.
And purchased some food, sat and ate the food.
Then I'm sorry, where did he purchase the food from? Chick-fil-A in the Sorenson Center.
And And where is that in relation to the the amphitheater or the the courtyard?
Uh it's it's kind of on the northeast side of the amphitheater. It would be um Okay. So everything they just talked
about was the individual in that maroon shirt. Soj up the campus , starts walking around, has conversation or meets with Turning Point USA
representatives in the courtyard, drives away, parks the car allegedly in the neighborhood, walks back around, gets food on campus. This is the individual
in the maroon shirt here. Okay. Now, what they start getting into are the is the video of the individual that's
then dressed in black. Okay. So, let them start here building from there. Uh from there he
comes uh back down the stairs and uh walks off campus from that point.
And and about what time was that that he left campus that that second time? Do you know?
35 minutesUh I believe it was approximately 11:00 a.m. or just after if I recall. I could verify from my notes if you need an exact time.
Uh yeah, if you don't mind. And what what time is this?
Uh this is a video of Mr. Robinson returning back to campus the same way that he did previously on foot.
And this takes just a moment. And why? Uh well, let me ask you.
He said this is a video of Mr. Robinson returning back on campus and this is the individual that's dressed in black.
How can you say that? I mean, that's a crazy thing to say that this is Mr.
Robinson. at this. You believe this is Mr. Robinson returning to campus? I do. Yes.
Okay. And and why do you believe it's Mr. Robinson?
Uh the shoes are the same and um the images that we have are from from my viewing and and seeing Mr.
Robinson on the video, it's the same person.
Uh he's noticeably wearing different clothing.
He is wearing different clothing. And he also is walking with a a gate or a limp in this video. With a gate or what? Limp.
Okay. Now, what do we see?
So, it's Mr. Robinson coming up the stairs of the parking structure.
Again, he seems to be having issues walking.
And again, were we able to track So, were we able to track Mr. Robinson uh when he leaves this parking structure?
Yes, we were able to.
Okay. So, when he leaves the parking structure, where where does he go?
Okay. Now, before we get to that, because this is when they start to get into Tyler Robinson being the individual on the roof,
but what you just saw there was the surveillance videos to wherein they provided
the photos of the individual that was supposed to look like Tyler Robinson.
All of those videos that you just saw there were from the stairwell and from the tunnel
where they screenshotted them and put it out there and and and this is who they are telling us is Tyler Robinson.
Look at the individual in the black. I'm sorry. Maybe I'm stupid. Maybe I'm a dumb blonde [laughter]
or dumb ginger depending on how you view me. I don't see it in the face structure.
I'm sorry. I just don't. How are you going to tell me that this is the this is the same person?
We the the video surveillance will show it all. You'll see. It's like, well, we just saw it and I don't see it.
Well, now surely the overwhelming mountain of evidence shows Tyler Robinson getting on the roof, taking the shot.
Uh he he comes up around Campus Drive as you can see on the video here. There is a there's a cut through there north of the Losi building and that's Mr.
Robinson coming up the sidewalk. Uh he has the noticeable gate or limp in his walk. Um and then he moves south across
the front of the Losi building on the sidewalk. Yes, correct. Okay.
He would be the rear of the two individuals in this particular video.
So, so right now if we were to break this picture into quadrants, where where would he where would he be?
He'd be in the top left quadrant walking to the left of the image now. Now, what do we see?
Uh this is an image looking across the parking lot to the Losi building and Mr.
Robinson is appearing on the exterior staircase which gives access to the lossy building roof and and the area where the railing was.
And again, let's break that image into into quadrants. Where where would he be located if you broke it into quadrants?
It's in the top right. And uh the individual can be seen moving under the notations that are on the video. Yeah.
So, if you're wondering where he's talking about, you have to look very, very closely to see a teeny tiny figure
both walking on the sidewalk before this view and then walking on that rooftop right underneath the notations of the video. right under that that that white
lettering in the top right corner. If you look very closely, you can see a figure a figure that looks like he's
dressed in black moving and walking on the sidewalk and then up the building.
How do they know who that is? [laughter] That is Tyler Robinson. How in the heck do you know that that is Tyler Robinson?
My goodness. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? This is the video they have of Tyler Robinson getting on the roof and allegedly taking the shot.
Well, here here, let's keep going because because they have the video of what they say is Tyler Robinson taking the shot.
And And what time is this? Uh just after noon about 12:15 on what day?
On December sorry December September 10th 2025. Okay.
What what just happened or what did we just see happen?
The individual actually kind of rolls over the railing onto the roof of the Losi building. All right.
Um, and again in the top left corner, the individual is now seen running across the rooftop of the Losi building
to what would be the southwest corner of the building. Mhm.
Uh, crouching down and then crawling to the corner of the building.
What they are having you look at here is Tyler Robinson allegedly or the individual better said
crawling into the prone position. If you look at the time stamp on the video, it's 12:22
p.m. This is before the event on Charlie Kirk. Okay. So if
you are looking at this video and you're and you're and you're zooming in on it, what you see is the individual in black that is moving across the Los Cy center rooftop moving into the prone position.
This is at 12:22 and . And and this is at what time?
Um around .
I think the time stamp on the video is 12:22 on the 10th.
on September 10th. Yes. 2025. So we're clear. This is the roof of the Losi building. Correct.
Can you still see that individual? Uh yes, you can. Laying prone.
You believe this to be Mr. Robinson? I'm sorry. Do you believe this to be Mr. Robinson? I do. Yes.
And how long is he out there on the edge of the building?
Um, just until the the reported shot was fired at at 1223 and 28. Individual then
43 minutesstands up and then moves across the building to the north.
Is that what we're seeing happening right now?
It is. Yes. They Okay. And then we've all seen him then run across the building and jump off.
And that's the video that that we've all seen that was given to us, you know, the day of or the day after the assassination.
That individual laying prone, you believe that to be Tyler Robinson? And the answer to that question was yes.
based on everything that you just heard.
They were asked the prosecution, "Is there video evidence of that shot being taken?" The answer to that
question was no. They do not have video evidence of the shot being taken.
The prosecution said early on in a preliminary hearing that they have video evidence of Tyler
Robinson getting on the roof, taking the shot, and running off.
That's the video. That's the video that they have. That is the UVU surveillance video
showing an individual getting on the roof, getting to the prone position, and then at 12,
23, and , he gets up and runs off the roof.
David Hull was then questioned by Tyler Robinson's defense team, by Kathy Netor, and he gets asked
how he knows this individual is Tyler Robinson or if this video provides any identification that this could be Tyler Robinson.
Okay, now I want you to listen to this.
All right. Now, I want to go back to the videos that we've seen and the um
question that I just asked before, which is, is it fair to say that nothing about the video of the individual on the roof
revealed to you? You couldn't see facial features. You couldn't see what they were wearing. Correct. Of the individual on the roof.
Correct. Um, I know that there was a meeting to discuss perhaps a pattern on the front of the shirt that was observed when the individual was jumping off of the roof.
Okay, that's fair. But at that time, as of the 11th, before Mr. Robinson turned himself in, you all had not been able to determine that. Is that right?
Excuse me.
Determine who he was or determine distinguishing features?
Determine distinguishing features of
[cough]
video of the person on the roof. Yes, we had a a person of interest and those images were released to the press.
You're talking about the ones in the stairwell from the correct from the parking garage. Correct.
But the video on the roof was not distinguishable. Fair. That's video as a standalone. Yes. Was not No. Okay.
Okay.
[clears throat]
And in fact, the video on the roof Well, I'll strike that.
Is it true that you had um some spectators that you interviewed that had gotten a photograph a few seconds before the shooting of someone on the roof?
Sir, I'm not sure I understand the question.
Did you at some point in your investigation collect from two young men who were present at the event a video
that they had taken of someone on the roof about s before the shooting?
Yes, a video. Yes. Not photographs. The video was collected from an individual who had a a video.
And ultimately some screenshots were taken out of that video. Is that right?
By by you? Not by me. No.
Okay, that's fine. It could have been someone else. Okay.
Um, but did you see the video that those young men took?
If you're referring to the video that is looking north and shows an individual dressed in dark clothing on the corner of the roof. If that is the video, I
have seen that video. Yes. Did you review the interview of those young men? I did not.
Do you know what they how they described the person on the roof?
Uh, I don't know if I read it or if I heard it, but my understanding was they believed it was overwatch or some kind of a a police overwatch for the event.
Okay. If that's my recollection.
And do you remember anything specific about the person's build that they discussed when they described the person on the roof? I do not.
Okay.
There is um a portion of the video after the individual jumped off the roof which we all saw here where the individual
crosses I believe it's campus drive. Is that right? Correct.
And there's a moment where the individual waits and there's two cars that pass in front of him right in front of him.
Correct. Um, and is this the moment where you are sub submitting that he was holding a gun in his hand as across the road?
Yes.
I from my observations would show that he's carrying an object in his hand that's concealed or in a bag object
and it is long and has the appearance based on my training and experience it could be a firearm. But do you see a gun anywhere?
The actual in the video? Yeah.
No. Oh, anybody that was driving by on campus drive that day report to you or any other investigator?
[ __ ] told you, hey, we just drove by a guy with a gun.
For all we know, it could be a sex toy standing right by my car.
We did not receive any reports to that effect.
I said the exact same video to see him with a gun.
Also, when you were revealing the timeline, uh, exactly how long was there between
when the person was prone on the roof and when the shot was taken? Do you recall?
Uh, if you if you would like to replay the video, I can time it for you, but I don't recall. It was my guess. My guess
I would estimate between 15 and .
So, between 15 and s to lay flat, take a shot, and get up and run off. Right.
I think you asked how long he was prone.
I think it took longer for him to crawl into position. Okay.
And then establish a position. and then take the shot. He appeared to be in prone for approximately 15 to , but the video would verify.
Wow.
Okay. So, some of those voices you hear in the background. So, I I I was watching Trigger Smart stream, and that's where I got the the video clip
and the screen record. So, you actually hear uh Nate from Vajala and and a couple of those guys talking um as they
were as they as they were watching the stream. But that's where I got the the screen record from. But
do you guys understand what what just happened right there? So he admitted that the video surveillance does not
reveal any identification with regard to Tyler Robinson. He mentioned the the the emblem on the shirt being some form of
of identification. What Kathy Nester brings up there is that we have two eyewitnesses on the other side who claim that the individual was dressed in in
police or tactical gear. that individual that was prone on the roof.
And then she then asked, "Are does that video show a rifle? Does it does that video does it show a rifle when he when the individual is jumping off the roof?"
And Agent Hull for the Utah FBI says, "No, I I can't tell if that's a weapon or not." And then finally,
you have this individual who gets on the roof and lays in that prone position to for 15 to s before he fires an alleged shot that struck Charlie Kirk.
You guys heard some of the end of that commentary there. Nate from Valhalla, he is like, I do this and that is
incredible. In order for him to pull that off, that is an unbelievable unbelievable shot.
To lay there for 15 to s in the prone position and take that shot and hit Charlie Kirk is insane.
Is unbelievable.
So then now what we have is Kathy Nester asked agent Hull if she knows anything about another bullet that was found on another building. Take a listen.
Lloying. Correct.
Wasn't there also a bullet found on another building?
I believe an unfired bullet had been found on another building at some point during my time there on September 10th.
Which building was that, sir? I don't recall.
Was that considered a scene that it was worth preserving?
Uh, it was not. My recollection is that that was accounted for as an ejected cartridge from an officer who had cycled his rifle.
Okay. I thought you said it was an unfired bullet. Now you're saying it was a cartridge.
When when a weapon is cleared Uhhuh.
Um, an officer would make his rifle ready, which would chamber around. Oh, I got you.
My understanding was that that's how that was accounted for.
So a officer claimed it that bullet belonged to him or her.
That's my recollection is that that that was how it was accounted for.
So what they're saying is that a police officer who was on another roof on another building
ejected a round, a live round from his weapon that was then found on another building. And what agent Hull is saying
is that this was accounted for because the police officer said that he did it.
I'm not exactly sure.
What we now know is that another bullet was found on another building. We also
know based on this testimony is that actually another handgun was also found on the scene in a backpack.
Okay, now this is the last piece that I want to show you guys because this is shocking. Truly shocking.
Yesterday on day one of the [snorts] hearing slashtrial,
video footage, Ring doorbell footage was released showing Tyler Robinson in the very early
morning. Well, okay, I say I keep saying Tyler Robinson. Alleged Tyler Robinson.
The prosecution is saying this is Tyler Robinson.
showing the individual driving the Dodge Challenger
arriving in a Provo neighborhood at about 12:30 a.m. the early morning hours of September 11th.
This is that footage that was released.
This the first time I've seen this. I've never seen any nighttime pictures of of this before.
I'm going to mute this. I don't know. I got this clip from from X. I don't know who the heck is talking in the background. I'm going to mute it. The sound isn't important.
So, you can see here that's the alleged challenger pulling up here on the street.
car flashes its lights a couple times. I don't know if that's like him hitting the lock button and it and it, you know, doing that double flash and then he
turns on the car again. Those those lights in the back are brake lights and then the front lights come on and then
the Challenger drives away. Okay, so this was presented by the prosecution.
And this is why this is important. This video, this Ring doorbell footage was presented by the prosecution as another
piece of evidence that Tyler Robinson that that was Tyler Robinson. All right,
listen to this very, very interesting slashshocking slashbombell piece of information regarding this Ring doorbell footage.
Take a listen.
Does that Looking at that interview, does that refresh your recollection? I remember reading the report at some point. Yes.
And do you remember that the nobles told you that the driver of the vehicle Okay. The nobles. That's the house. The
house is the noble's house. And they were interviewed. Okay. The owners of this house were interviewed about the
video and what they saw that the driver of the vehicle was bald.
I I do remember that being in the report. Yes. And you didn't mention that today when you were talking about that ring camera, did you? Interesting.
I did not.
And did they also tell you there were three other people in the car?
Yes. I believe they they thought that was the case. Okay.
When interviewed, the owners of the house, the owners of the Ring doorbell footage,
explained to authorities that the driver of the vehicle was bald and that there were three other people
in the car in this Dodge Challenger.
Well, well, what are we supposed to make of that?
What are we supposed to make of that?
Because what we've been told this entire time is that this whole overwhelming mountain of evidence against Tyler Robinson is going to prove to all of us
that Tyler Robinson was clearly the lone wolf agitated LGBTQ plus actor that just
aw the opportunity, wanted to take out Charlie Kirk.
None of what we've seen today, none of this video evidence that we've all been waiting for about UV with with UVU
surveillance showing this individual walking through the hallways, walking through the tunnel, walking up the stairwell
that was going to identify Tyler Robinson. Surely, surely when this video came out, we'd be able to tell.
They told us they had video of the individual climbing on the roof, taking the shot, and running off. We just saw that, too.
You've got to have special eyes to see it, apparently. We were told he did this by himself.
Now, potentially, we've got the eyewitness who saw this car driving around campus, this Dodge
Challenger, which they say is Tyler Robinson's, being driven by a bald person, and having three other individuals in the car with him.
So tell me, I want to know how an individual like Agent Hall or the rest of all of these other people who claim
that Tyler Robinson is definitely guilty, how can you how can you know for sure that he is the individual who is the the one that climbed up on that rooftop?
Because the the the photos, the sideby-side photos of Tyler Robinson and that individual don't look the same to me. not convincing to me.
Call me a conspiracy theorist, call me stupid, call me the rword, whatever you want to do. I don't see it. I don't see it. And I've been really trying hard to
see it over the last eight months or so since all this took place.
And then one of the suspicions all along is that Tyler Robinson was not there working on his own that day. If we want
to say Tyler Robinson was there or around campus, was involved, I don't have much of an issue with saying that.
But are we really going to say that he was not like there were not other people involved in this?
There was chatter before the assassination. There were individuals there saying that they did it who didn't really do it. We have multiple
individuals in the car allegedly. We have cars interacting with that Dodge Challenger like that video from the
parking lot that we've seen where the Challenger parks and then the other car comes in behind it and they drive off.
We have the individual walking on the sidewalk in that SUV pulling up close to the side of it like hello.
Like like that is my question to all of you guys who are just going along with Tyler Robinson is the lone wolf narrative.
It's not most of you here. I see some of you in the chat. I see some of you in the chat. How do you explain these things?
How do you explain that? At least this is not a lone wolf acting on his own.
You're going to have a hard time explaining that given what we are seeing here.
And then I pose this question. If if in fact he is not acting alone that day,
are we sure that he is the individual in the stairwell, walking around, in the car, etc.
These are all very fair questions.
They're all very fair questions by individuals who want to know the truth about what happened to Charlie Kirk.
knowing the full truth.
If Tyler Robinson was involved in some way, fine. Fine. What was his involvement? And then who else was
involved? It's not true justice. If one guy goes down, if one guy goes down for what a group did, that would be a shame.
That would be injustice. That's not getting justice for Charlie Kirk. just to give Tyler Robinson the death penalty so that he's quiet for the rest of his
life. I mean, obviously for for eternity and we and we never know if it was a larger operation than just him.
Let's finish up with some comments.

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Chapter 1: Intro
Well, I've never been more convinced than I am right now this is a scam. The whole thing's a scam. Uh, welcome in.
Welcome in. Welcome in. If you like fed slop, if you like alternating changing testimony, if you like hidden stuff, you've come to the right place. And by
that, I mean the people versus Tyler Robinson in Utah County Circuit Court, District Court, whatever they call it there in Utah County. Uh,
it is bad. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a long show lined up for you tonight. A very long show. It is so difficult when
you're covering stuff in real time to filter out what is nonsense, what is noise from the signal, right? We we need
the we need the we need the signal. We got to filter the noise out. There was so much noise today, but we're able to filter it out for you. I think we have a really good show lined up for you
yesterday. I will cover a couple of things from yesterday that um a general correction I need to make that I got wrong on X. Um point out why I got it
wrong, but I'm always the first to admit when I get something wrong. Um, and then dive into today's testimony, which is, I think, pretty damning, not for Tyler Robinson, but for the state. It's bad.
It looks bad. U, there's no reason whatsoever. There's no reason whatsoever that the state of Utah, Utah County,
needs to be playing, fiddling with evidence. It's just nonsense. It's nonsense. It goes directly in the face
of absolutely everything we know about the American justice system. You know, when we when we think the American justice system, you think, "Well, I'm
sure glad I live in the United States of America." Now, for you foreigners tuning in, I apologize. This is a little jingoistic here. You're going to have a jingoistic opening here. Sorry, guys.
Don't don't don't take it personally. Uh maybe work with your home countries to get something more akin to what we strive to be here in these United States. But when we think about the
Chapter 2: Opening Statement - The Importance of a Fair and Honest Judicial System
American justice system, we like to believe that, you know, hey, I don't want to hang out in North Korea. Why?
because if I get picked up by the police, I'm not going to get a fair trial. There's going to get a show trial. We've seen these in the news over the years. We've seen uh there was a guy
in North Korea, I can't remember his name. He he ripped a poster down or something off a wall in a uh in a North Korean diner or something. I can't remember the exact, maybe a hotel room
or something. He was going to keep it for himself. Um and they gave him a show trial. There's no fair process manufactured evidence. And they absolutely destroyed this kid's life. It
happened to a young man in Singapore years ago who was accused of I think spitting gum on the sidewalk or something. It was just it was just manufactured evidence in a total show
trial and it happens all the time. And we remember reading about it in history behind the Iron Curtain in uh Eastern Europe and in the Soviet Union. We would
hear about these show trials where the state would just come in and manufacture evidence and there's really nothing you could do about it. In the United States, we like to believe that our system gives
fairness to the defendant. That that there's some sort of honesty and transparency that pres that prevent the state from presenting misleading
evidence or incomplete evidence or fabricated evidence or evidence that's been clipped and spliced together to make it look like you did something you
didn't do. It it should our system should protect the accused from a wrongful conviction. They should uphold
the fundamental right to a fair trial based on credible proof, honest, credible proof. They shouldn't be playing funny business with it. They
shouldn't be hiding anything from the defense. You know, we've talked about this presumption of innocence that the state has this burden of proof beyond a
reasonable doubt. Now, that's obviously not the standard at a preliminary hearing, but but that everything's building to trial. They tell you in in
trial advocacy classes, you're always closing. You're always building to closing. ABC, you're always building to closing.
And when the state's playing funny business with the evidence, it it it robs the criminal defendant of
that presumption of guilty because they're doing it in a preliminary hearing, in my opinion, and it's it's robbing the judge of being
able to make a fair decision. Is has the def has the state met their burden of proof to send this thing to trial in the first place? Keep in mind, they're holding Tyler Robinson against his will.
It's not like they've given him the opportunity to go home and wait on his trial date. You know, if you go knock over a liquor store, they'll send you
home. You know, pay $10,000 bail and you out and if it takes a couple years, whatever, and then you go to trial and if you're guilty, you do your time. And if not, you go back home. Tyler Robinson doesn't have that benefit.
But there's also the public faith in the judicial process. I remember one trial I was involved in in particular. Uh I don't know if I've ever told this story
on air. It's probably my proudest moment in the courtroom. It was a military trial. I think it was at Fort Bragg if I remember. I don't remember exactly where
I was. Um, but I used to do military trials and I was I was some military base on the east coast. I think it was Fort Bragg. But there was a young guy
there and he had been charged with something and you know whether or not he did it is irrelevant for this story. But the state was trying or not the state,
the government, the military was trying to bring in a witness outside of the bounds of permissibility. The
UCMJ prescribes a rule of evidence that says that witnesses have to be disclosed so many days. I think it was 7 days or 14 days before trial. I can't remember
the exact timeline, but they didn't disclose this witness. And the judge was going to let the witness in. He's not a
harmless enough. It's it was a documents witness. It was a a records custodian and I threw a fit, man. I I stood up and and we took a recess and it was like
two-hour recess for the judge to think about it and he came back. He said, "All right, summarize your arguments and take five , summarize your arguments." And I really didn't have
much other than just appeal to his patriotism. And I just said, you know, your honor, this young man is being judged by a jury
of his peers and in the military. That's quite true because there are unit members on there. There are uh people of your rank on there. This guy's being
judged by a jury of his peers. The panel has fellow service members on it. In addition, his family is sitting out here
in the courtroom. His unit members are sitting out here in the courtroom. There's media present.
Whether he's innocent or guilty is totally irrelevant.
But when the president of the United States, the commander-in-chief says, "We will use the UCMJ to adjudicate crimes in this country against service
members." And if you think about it, it's really weird that the the United States military has a separate judicial system. You would think they would just
be subject to the local county or the local federal jurisdiction. They're not.
This is not a civil trial. It's a criminal trial inside a military structure. It's very strange.
But if the president of the United States says these are the rules we're going to follow, the UCMJ, and I think it was President Obama at the time, and I think I called him by name, the president, President Obama has said,
"These are the rules we will follow." And as long as we follow these rules, your honor, everyone in the courtroom, whether they disagree with the verdict or not, at least goes home and says it
was fair. At least they go home and say it was fair. And that they know in the United States they got fairness. They
might disagree with the decision of the panel, but they got fairness.
and he sided with me. He did not let that witness come in. And we ended up winning that case. And it is a testament
to what can happen when a judge holds the government, holds the state in this situation with Tyler Robinson to the highest standard possible. You're not
going to come in here and fiddle with stuff. We're not going to do we're not going to do things behind the scenes. It gives public confidence in the outcome.
Whether or not you agree with it, you at least determined it was fairly decided.
And it gives legitimacy to the government itself. This is a government of by and for the people here in the United States. In theory, we elect our government.
That government that's elected either is an elected judge or elected prosecutor or they're appointed by the governor who was elected. Somebody elected somebody
and that's the reason these people are in charge in the courtroom. And if you want the state to have legitimacy, you have to follow the rules. You have to
hold everybody to the highest standard or society begins to break down.
8 minutesCivilization begins to break down when you feel like you could be deprived of your life in this case and the death
penalty in a system that wasn't held to the highest standard. So there's this systemic erosion that's at risk.
But you also have this appellet process, not just the trial court. Once a once a guilty verdict is rendered, that's really just the beginning. You've got an
appellet by right, you've got a a a right to at least a single appeal. Then the Supreme Court of your state could take your appeal. If they deny it, you
could go up the federal habius system. I mean, there's a lot of ways to appeal your case.
And the integrity of that appeal relies on a clean record. You have to have a clean, honest record of evidence.
But it is the moral and societal foundation. Our criminal justice system is the moral and societal foundation.
And it's why when I'm watching things and I'm get on X and people say, "Hey, did you see what they did with that evidence? That didn't look right." It's
shocking. It's shocking. And we're going to go through some of that tonight because frankly, as I sit here today, I did not come on the air yesterday. I probably should have. Uh, but I had a
lot going on. I had a whole lot going on yesterday. I had a funeral in the morning for our friend Jeff Armstrong who passed away. Uh many of you have been praying for Jeff. Uh many many of
you donated to his u his family's GoFundMe and I appreciate that. Um there was a lot of talk about that yesterday at the funeral and then the event that
followed. Um it was not the event of the century. It was it was a beautiful funeral. Um and it was a uh it was a a
beautiful dinner afterwards. Everybody just got together and told stories about Jeff. It was beautiful. It was great. Um but I had I just had too much going on.
Could not could not do a show yesterday.
But I did keep up with the testimony and I and last night I spent well into the early mornings 1 2 a.m. tonight last night um catching up on what happened at
the trial yesterday. So, I am going to talk a little bit today about what happened yesterday because there were a couple things that popped out that were just shocking.
Uh, frankly, so shocking that every single observer, whether they believe Tyler Robinson solely planned and
executed Charlie Kirk or not, every single one of those people should have been in awe yesterday and hor horrified, disgusted.
And I didn't see enough of it. I didn't see enough of it. I saw people who were more more concerned about outcome determinative justice. Meaning, as long as the outcome is what I think the
outcome should be, I don't care how we get there. That's nonsense. I learned about outcome determinative justice by um doing an internship with a uh Supreme
Supreme Court Chief Justice. Hang on just a second. Hey, I'm on the air and we'll be for the next several hours.
I'll call you I'll call you back if if you're down from 9. We'll talk tomorrow.
All right. What the principle? Um, sorry about that. Um,
all right. But, but I learned about outcome determinative justice because there was a case. Well, I probably shouldn't even tell this story. I'm not going to tell this story, but just I
that's where I learned that phrase and it was not in a flattering way to the uh to the justice I was cler interning for.
But anyway, I I say all this to say as we go through this evidence, I want you to ask yourself, is this a fair process?
Is this a fair process? Because if the answer to that question is no, you should be horrified. You should be disgusted. You should be absolutely uh
Chapter 3: Correcting the Record on Two Issues
disgusted. But I do want to uh clear up a few things because in the past we have stated time and time again that Tyler
Robinson was seen on campus by a police officer around 6:30 p.m. I'll show you that original article now. Uh oo wrong
button. Uh I'll show you that original article now. This says right here, this was a Fox News article. This is why we've been reporting this.
Uh, it happened around 6:30 p.m. on September 10th, roughly after a sniper's uh, round struck Kirk in the neck as he was engaging the audience.
The officer guarding the perimeter after authorities placed campus on lockdown.
The encounter appears to have thwarted the suspect's attempt to recover the mouser. Okay, so that's why we reported that. We report things based on the
evidence that's in front of us. And then we ask the question, how could he be there at 6:30 and then in Panguitch at 8:45 because that timeline doesn't add
up. So what's going on here? Well, we now know because that was clarified in court. Um,
what actually happened, I'll show you the footage of it. This happened yesterday is Tyler Robinson's vehicle was spotted on campus around 12:30 p.m.
Here is how that played out yesterday.
Would have been just off center on the top left side. What are we seeing now?
Uh this is the intersection of Campus Drive and 800 South. Um there's a vehicle attempting to turn right onto Campus Drive.
Um, that's the vehicle that was driven by Mr. Robinson.
And on this on the screen, where is that vehicle that you're referring to located? You broke it into quadrants.
Uh, it's on the left side on the on the upper side, the upper quadrant.
And then he goes forward and the officer goes on to say that um there was a contact. There's a purported alleged contact. Now, of course, it's hearsay.
We did not hear from the officer who made contact with Tyler Robinson. This is coming in uh it's being reported as the truth of the matter asserted as if a
police officer did in fact make contact with Tyler Robinson. Uh, of course we know, you guys should all know by now in an actual courtroom, not a kangaroo
court like what's going on in Utah right now, but in an actual courtroom and at trial, they would not be able to introduce this evidence as evidence that
Tyler Robinson made contact with a police officer at 12:30 p.m. But the reason I think it said 6:30 is, if you'll notice the bottom of the screen
there, it's at 6:36 uh, Zulu time, standard time. Uh, not standard time, uh, universal time.
And if you go to mountain daylight time, which is what they were on at the time, that's a six-hour difference. So 6:36
0636 Zulu time would be 12:36 um Mountain Daylight Time. I'm sure
that's the source of the confusion, but the source of the confusion made its way into a Fox News article. Now, I question who sourced that Fox News article
because it was someone who had seen this footage in my opinion because I don't know how else you make that mistake. So, why are
sources in law enforcement leaking out details to the media? That that's a different discussion. That's a different discussion. But that's why we said that.
That's why we did that. So, were we wrong? Probably. It doesn't sound like he made contact with a police officer at 6:30 p.m. It sounds like he made contact
15 minuteswith a police officer at 6:30 a.m. Zulu time, which is 12:30 a.m. Utah time at this time of year. Um, but you can see
them um you can see them, you know, kind of uh get ready to turn right and then go straight. And allegedly there was a police contact that took place in there.
Um, but you know, but we have we know where he was headed purportedly.
If that was indeed Tyler Robinson, we know where he was purported to be headed. Why? Because we have a search
warrant. And on the search warrant, it gives us a time of where he was approximately later. Here is what it says.
Oram uh contacted police and advised that he had captured video on his Nest doorbell camera. A Dodge Challenger parked across the street from his home.
The vehicle initially parked at approximately 124 . That should not be on September
16 minutes11th. That should be . That was a typo, I'm sure. On September 11th, which would put it at 12:47 a.m., which
would put it after that video we just watched, and left at approximately 0135.
So, it was there roughly , give or take. Uh, maybe , maybe. My math sucks. Regardless, it was
there, you know, half hour, , something like that.
Chapter 4: Nest Camera Footage Homeowner Says Bald Guy Drove Dodge Challenger with Three Passengers; State Says Tyler Robinson Alone
Well, I think they told us today or yesterday with hearsay testimony, not body cam
footage from the cop who did the interaction with him, not the cop's testimony that interacted with him, but another guy who says a guy told me this is what happened.
He was told it was Tyler Robinson in the car. Now, he didn't say there were other people in the car, but he said it was Tyler Robinson in the car. But 11
minutes later, we have this Nest doorbell footage, Nest camera footage from a guy named Noble.
And Noble's wife filled out a statement and said, "Hey, it wasn't Tyler Robinson alone in the
car. In fact, it was a bald man driving the car. A bald man driving the car.
Tyler Robinson is not baldy as hair." So, who's driving the car? But she goes on, there's more. She says it's not just
a bald guy driving because then you could say, "Well, maybe she just doesn't understand Tyler's hairline. Maybe it was dark. Maybe it was blurry." I want you to listen to what this woman said in
writing about who was in that car that pulled up at 12:47 a.m.
I remember reading the report at some point. Yes.
And do you remember that the nobles told you that the driver of the vehicle was bald?
I I do remember that being in the report. Yes. And you didn't mention that today when you were talking about that ring camera, did you?
I did not.
Yeah. Yeah. Didn't mention that. Didn't mention that while we were trying to make it look like Tyler Robinson is guilty of the crime and get this to go to trial so we can put him to death. We
didn't mention that the the the person who captured the camera footage said the driver was bald. We forgot that part.
Well, we didn't forget. We strategically left it out. It's exculpatory evidence. We did not want the judge to know about.
We didn't want the public to know about.
We don't need Candace Owens and Baron Coleman and Diligent Dennis and Sam Parker. We don't need all these people,
Zack Costello, going on air and saying, "Wait a minute. Tyler's not bald. Were we sure that was Tyler?" Well, what else did we What else did he say about it?
That they tried to hide from you?
And did they also tell you there were three other people in the car?
Yes, I believe they they thought that was the case. Okay.
Yeah. Yeah. So, this car this car that we were told
was driven by Tyler Robinson. And we were told this whole time Tyler Robinson planned and executed this entirely alone.
We now know that at least in the minds of the lady who recorded the footage that it was driven by a bald guy. with three people in the car.
Well, what does the video look like? I have cameras over every blade of grass in my house. They record at night. They record during the day.
Let's see what this looks like and tell me, do your cameras look this crappy?
Because I'm going to raise a question here at the end of this. Just tell me, do do your cameras look this bad when they record? You play the video.
Heat.
Heat.
Why? Why all the cuts? Why all the cuts?
Why Why, if you're being honest, why did we cut between when one person got back to the car and when the car drove off?
Did you see a human being in the any of this footage?
Did you notice there were strategic cuts to keep you from knowing everything that happened on camera? This is not the only time they've done this. We'll point out
others today. This is not the only time they have strategically cut footage to stop you from knowing what was going on
on that footage. I'm going to show you a few more and it's going to be shocking.
It's going to be absolutely shocking by the time we're done with this.
That's not honest. I think that photo I think that footage we just watched was intentionally downgraded in quality.
I've never seen Nest footage look so terrible. Nest footage is good footage.
I mean, I would have been able to tell what kind of belt buckle he had on outside my house. You can't even tell if it's a human. Once again, we're told, "Oh, that's Tyler Robinson." Oh, yeah.
How do we know that's not a space alien?
I can't tell the difference. How do we know that's not a woman or a fat man or a heavy set, whatever the officer said
uh Monday? How do we know? And how do we know it's one guy alone? And how do we know he had hair?
And the reason I asked the question, the reason I think it might have been intentionally downgraded because you can't see anything on that.
But Miss Noble signed a statement saying that it was a bald man with three passengers, which means she was able to
determine when she looked at it what was on there. Or at least she thought she was.
Who's Miss Nobles? Does she look like a lying liar from Liarville? I I don't think so. I'll show you a little bio here. She seems pretty normal to me.
This is Miss Noble, Cynthia Donatelli Noble, uh born in Italy.
uh did a mission for her church, came to the United States, got a PhD, graduated kum laudy, actually kum laudy though,
not just say it on LinkedIn. Uh began her career teaching at BYU. She was recognized as outstanding teacher twice,
teacher of the year or outstanding teacher once and teacher of the year another time. Uh held various church callings, young women president, counselor, primary teacher, gospel
doctrine teacher, Sunday school secretary and teacher.
Does she strike you as someone who would accidentally see four people in a video by mistake? Does she strike you as someone who would lie about it if she
thought I mean they weren't going to tell you that she said that? That came out on cross, not direct.
Meaning the state was well aware this woman had said that. Well aware that she said that. Well aware there was
a document that said that. So was the cop. So was the cop. You heard him answer.
Yes, I was aware that she said that.
Bro, then why didn't you tell us? Why didn't you tell us?
24 minutesThat does not give me faith in the American judicial system. It does not give me faith in the government in Utah County. It doesn't give me faith in law enforcement, the FBI. It doesn't give me
faith in the attorney general's office there. doesn't give me faith in the police department there. It gives me faith in nobody
when you are hiding. Now, now you could come back and say, "Well, we we do we disagree with her. We've watched this footage and we don't see four people." Okay,
that goes to wait. I think we should have heard her statement.
And I'm hopeful the defense is going to bring her to trial and hear what she has to say
because I think it's pretty damning if she's accurate. Because no longer do we have Tyler Robinson showing up at 12:47 a.m. to retrieve a rifle alone. No, we
got a car full of homies and a and a bald guy.
Take a guess later who the bald guy might have been. Some of you might have already thought of it, but I thought that was an particularly
egregious example of dishonesty. Now, another mistake I have and why it is we have to clarify it.
Yesterday on X after listening to trial testimony, I was a little outraged because I heard
someone and I'll play it for you. you'll hear it too say that 95% of the DNA it sounds like came from Lance Twigs on one of the items. It was pretty shocking.
There were a lot of problems with the DNA testimony, but this was perhaps overly shocking.
Is considered reliable hearsay. Um in addition uh
credibility determinations are not proper for the court to make here for the whole reason that you know studies supporting this supporting this science,
studies opposing this science, um testimony from this expert or that expert about what is reliable, what is not, what's more reliable, what's less
reliable, factors that affect all those determinations. Those are all very very complex uh decisions. There will be probably multiple day hearings dealing
with that and a probable cause determination just not the place to conduct that kind of thorough in-depth and searching analysis rather the case
law the constitution of Utah that says the only purpose of a preliminary hearing is determine uh probable cause the case law the rules that all say the
court does not weigh the evidence at this stage but leaves that for a finder of fact the jury in the end um that all
supports cutting this this line of questioning off at this point rather than going on for uh
into into greater depth, your honor. All right.
Well, uh based off what's been presented before me, I'm going to sustain in part and deny in part the objection made. I'm
going to uh allow this question to be asked. And so that is denying but sustained in the sense that this would
be the last question. And if Mr. would chooses to may go on to a different subject or different line of questioning.
Sure. Um did that report conclude that it remains unclear if visual inspection
renders consistent number of contributor estimations across analysts over time?
Can you repeat that?
Yeah. Did the report the NIS report that you referenced conclude I may have the wrong clip. Um
let me read um here was the original I I think that's the wrong clip but here is the original um statement that I heard.
She said quote when I compared Mr.
Robinson conditioning on Mr. Twigs it was 5 to 95%. I heard that as Mr. Robinson to Mr. Twigs 5% to 95%.
And so I concluded it was 95% Mr. Twigs.
She clarified that later, hours later it was clarified that it was actually the opposite of that. And
that's fair. I'm fine with that and I'm fine issuing the correction. I have no problem if I misinterpret a document or or a statement or testimony. But I want
you to know my thinking. It was not just like, "Oh my gosh, we're just wrong." No, it was the part I heard and I had a lot going on yesterday, but the part I
heard she said uh uh uh robins into twigs 5% to 95%. I had no idea she was flipping those in the middle for some
reason. Now, so that clarifies a couple of issues from yesterday.
I want to switch out of the testimony to something else that happened yesterday.
I want to switch out of the testimony to something else that happened yesterday.
Chapter 5: Ben Shapiro Says Charlie Kirk Security Team Called His Team from SUV with Charlie before Hospital
Um, Candace Owens noted that Ben Shapiro made a comment on his podcast and it
ounded like, let me pull it up. It's just clip and this is fair use, people.
This is what it sounded like. So, I remember where I was when all this was happening. I was in Los Angeles. I had sort of a breakfast slunch meeting with
somebody and my uh I got the news that Charlie had been shot and my security was on the phone with Charlie's security because
nobody knew what the hell was going on while Charlie was still in the back of the car and we were sort of getting updates along the way at 240.
a little shocking if we're being honest because what the hell was going on in the car?
The hell was going on in the car? Let's just set the scene of where everybody was.
Rick Cutler supposedly is holding Brian Harpole. Remember, he has the tattoo.
That's Brian Harpole's testimony. Brian Harple is hanging out of the car because Charlie's too big and we can't close the door. And Rick Cutler is holding on to Brian Harpole for dear life while they
go 60, 80, 100 miles an hour on the way to the hospital. He is holding on to him for dear life.
So he is probably not on the phone with Ben Shapiro's security.
Brian Harpole is working on Charlie stuffing 36 feet of gauze into his neck and and trying not to fall out of the
car. Probably not on the phone with security. So that's two of the five people in the car. In the backseat of the car was Frank Turk. He told us his phone was on FaceTime that whole time.
So he wasn't on the phone with Ben Shapiro security. So that takes everybody from the passenger seats back, the middle seat
and the back seat, takes them out of the equation. They were not on the phone with Ben Shapiro security. Dan Flood was in the front right of the car, the shotgun seat. He was the passenger.
I'm told he was using his phone to navigate to the hospital. Turn left, go straight, you know.
I don't know. See Rachel, you know, just go. Uh, I have no idea how he could be doing that and
simultaneously calling Ben Shapiro security from the car. And that's what Ben Shapiro just said. They were getting
updates from the car as to what was going on. And then you have Justin, the driver.
I'm hoping he's 10 and two. He's got a guy hanging out of the back passenger door. He's got a dying or dead guy in
the back seat. He's driving 60, 80, 100 miles an hour, breaking through intersections without a police escort.
Hopefully, he wasn't on the phone.
This is a real problem. This is a real problem because if that story is true that we've
been told that all these people were doing all these things and only these things and how could they be doing anything else other than these things? I
mean, if you ever driven 100 miles an hour through city streets, breaking intersections with a dying guy in the back and then you think, you know what I should do right now? There's a podcaster
in Florida. I probably should call him and update him. Yeah.
What? What? Somebody decided to call Ben Shapiro's team, a podcaster,
and update them on what was going on in the immediate aftermath before we had even gotten Charlie Kirk to the hospital. That was Ben That was Ben Shapiro's statement today.
I They were giving updates to my security team.
Can we not get Charlie to a surgeon first? Can we not get him at least to the emergency department?
Can we get him on a stretcher and into the operating room and then we can start debriefing random podcasters?
It makes you feel like Ben Shapiro might be more than a random podcaster.
It makes you feel, honestly, if I'm being honest, it makes you feel like Ben Shapiro may have had a vested interest in what happened to Charlie Kirk.
Remember Andrew Corvette scheduled Ben Shapiro against Charlie's wishes
for a podcast appearance with Charlie Kirk on September 9th, the day before he kicks off his tour and two days after he got back from Japan and Korea.
That makes it look like Andrew Kovat may have a vested injury in what happened to Charlie.
Regardless, it's really, really bizarre.
Really, really bizarre. Now, I'm going to get to the uh testimony today, but something else that happened last night that I cannot let go without passing mention.
Chapter 6: Blake Neff on X Space: Doesn't Know where he was before UVU Event; Stayed in Orem Night After
Boomer Blake uh Blake Snakef speed from uh TPU. Not well, apparently
34 minutesnot from TP USA, from the Charlie Kirk show. Boomer Blake
got on an X space last night. Actually, two of them. I listened to portions of it. Um, it was not as interesting, I think, as Blake anticipated it would be.
There was a lot of nonsense on it, frankly. Um, but there were a few of the questioners who I felt like were in good faith
asking a few decent questions and got some decent information out of it. I'll play a couple of small clips from it.
For example, um I had always wondered where was Boomer Blake, where was Blake Snf
when Charlie arrived in Salt Lake City? How did Blake get there? I had no idea. I'd never heard.
Did Blake fly into UVU with one of the other groups? Did he? Because there were several planes that flew directly into Provo. Was he on one of those planes?
Did he fly in with Charlie and then drive down with Charlie and the team? I didn't know.
I did not know, but now I do. At least I know what Blake said. And I will play a portion of this for you.
At the Saver Fund interview with Andrew Smith before he went to UVU.
So they're talking about the Savory Fund interview with Andrew Smith, I think is the name he said. Um, the Savory Fund
was the interview Charlie gave in Salt Lake City. That's why he flew to Salt Lake City instead of Provo.
Prior, I wasn't at that event. I was in the uh I was in the other SUV.
So, where were you in between time when you got off the plane? Where did you go? I was in the other SUV. Did you go straight? Did you go straight to UVU?
We had two SUVs. I was in the one Charlie wasn't in and I was somewhere. I don't I actually have no idea where they parked it.
I was somewhere. Well, but where, Blake?
Did you go to the restaurant event behind Charlie? I mean, you were in the other SUV. Did you follow Charlie's SUV to the restaurant event and sit in the parking lot? I think I would have remembered that. Did you go on to Orum?
I think I would have remembered that. I mean, did you drive 45?
36 minutesWhat do you mean you don't know where you were?
I've never been I had never been to Utah before. We had So, you got off the plane with Charlie.
You jumped in the other SUV. Where did you go?
We went somewhere. Why would I Why would I You went somewhere.
Why would I remember that? Like can you consider for just one moment that I did not know that was going to Did you go straight to the UVU event
around the ORM Utah area? We went surely you've been asked these questions by the authorities, right?
Why would I be asked the questions like that by the authorities? You're a key witness to a murder. No, I'm not. I'm one of 100.
Surely you can Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Surely you can remember where what you did that morning.
I'm a key witness to Charlie's life. I'm not a particularly important witness to the murder. So, you got off the plane, you got in the SUV. Where did you go?
Crime scene. Hang on. Let me finish the question.
So, let me offer a critique to the people asking the questions.
I I think they got good information out, but I'll I'll offer a small critique here. Ask your question, let them finish
their answer, and then if you have a follow-up question, ask the follow-up question, but don't talk over them. I mean, that's a that's don't do that. Um,
I like Muppet. He's fine. Uh, he was one of the ones talking. And I like Diligent a lot. He's fine. He was one of the ones talking. But if if someone's kind enough
to loan their time and and you think you can get good information out of it, just ask and then hear what they have to say and either accept the answer or ask a
reasonable follow-up. Don't just accuse him of lying. I mean, that's not very effective. Um, and don't interrupt them when they're trying to speak because now I can't hear all everything he said. But
I here's what I got out of that exchange.

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Blake Nef flew into Salt Lake City with Charlie Kirk. I know what time that flight landed. I have it right here.
That flight landed at 15:27 Zulu time. That's 9:27 local time. . That's a very key time.
You figure if you're flying private and you're getting in a a a car that's made available for you, you're looking 15
minutes, maybe tops, getting from the plane to your car. I mean, the plane lands, it taxis up, it parks, the door comes down, you walk to your car,
right? It's not like you got to go and wait on luggage. I mean, you it's just there for the day. You don't have anything. You might have a laptop bag and then you jump in the car that's
sitting there waiting for you and you you begin to drive off.
The interesting thing is Blake doesn't know where he went. He doesn't know whether he stayed in Salt Lake City. He doesn't know whether he followed Charlie to the restaurant event, stayed in the
parking lot. He knows he didn't go into the event. He doesn't know if he went on to um to Oram, Utah.
This is problematic. This is very problematic when you consider it's about a give or take
less than an hour drive. Now, this is rush hour time right now. Uh when I ran this this morning at about the exact same time, um it said it was about 45
minutes from end to end. Now it's saying from end to end. But we'll say it's well less than an hour to get
from the Salt Lake City airport to Utah Valley University. So, if he lands at 9:37 and let's give him 20 full minutes,
20 full minutes to get off the plane and into a car, he could have been at UVU's campus as early as ,
maybe as late as , but he couldn't have been there before . Physics won't allow it.
We learned that Tyler Robinson, we learned this Monday. Tyler Robinson met with
a UV, a TPUSA, excuse me, he Tyler Robinson met with a TPUSA representative that morning.
That that went largely without mention by most of the Fed sloppers. I think it's hugely important.
How on earth do you not think that's important? This is the guy who supposedly for over a week or up to a
week have been planning to solely by himself plan and execute Charlie Kirk.
He shows up on campus several hours ahead of time and mingles with the staff.
Mingles with the st like shows up and mingles. No friends, that's fed slop. That tastes like alpo.
Good for dogs, bad for people. That's bad stuff. That's bad stuff.
But when Blake was asked which representative did he meet with, by the way, because we're very curious. Do tell us. Sorry. Can you repeat that?
This morning, the leading officer on the case, right, of the of the Utah SBI, right? He was being he was giving the
timeline of events. And during that timeline of events, the officer said that Tyler Robinson in his shorts the
first time he went there around 10:00 a.m. in the morning, he climbed through the stairwell wearing his shorts. He didn't have the pants and the limp and all of that. And after he left the
parking lot structure, he met with, and this is his words, okay? Met with TPUSA
representatives. Do you know who they are? Tyler Robinson on September the 10th. And even if I did, I wouldn't tell you because you guys would just harass
that person and I know that that person didn't do anything.
Oh, that I I know that that person didn't do anything.
How do you know that, Blake? How do you know that person didn't do anything?
Well, the only way you could know that person didn't do anything is if you know who that person is. And he just said, "I'm not going to tell you who it is.
Even if even if I did know, I'm not going to tell you." Well, that kind of is conditional. Maybe he doesn't know.
But then he says, I know that person didn't do anything. Meaning, I know who it was.
They've been holding this the whole time. That that indicates to me they were aware of this fact. And in their mountain of evidence that they kept
recounting about the DNA on the rifle that Tyler owned, the DNA on the screwdriver that Tyler probably owned,
the video footage of him taking the shot, which we're now learning doesn't really exist, plain as day, seeing him jump off the
the roof, which could be anybody. I mean, the officer said he doesn't have any facial features he can identify, no clothing features he can identify. all
this mountain of evidence and you guys keep recounting this mountain of evidence over and over and over and and you know who he met with. You know that
the alleged killer met with a TPUSA representative or representatives plural
and you've been holding this back the whole time. You could have said, "Well, you know, we actually did talk to the guy, strangely enough."
No, that's that's fed slop. That is fed slop. I'm sorry, Blake. That made you look so bad. I hope you do more spaces.
I hope this becomes a thing. I hope this is what you do. Hope you This is what you do. Now, we have a graphic here um
that Let me go back and give the credit to the person who put it together. I don't I don't know who this was. Uh someone named Brandy Churchwell. Uh I'm
sure she's fine. Um but I'll I'll give you I'll I'll throw her thing up here just to give her the full credit, but I think she put this together.
Chapter 7: Fed Slop Timeline Graphic
But this is the graphic here. Uh, and I want to roll through it because this is kind of the feds graphic.
8:29 a.m. A car matching Tyler's arrives on campus. The suspect is wearing maroon t-shirt, shorts, hat, and gray sneakers.
That's on the right supposed to be Tyler Robinson. Of course, you can't see his face. You can only see kind of a a side profile, and it's grainy and distant.
You see his car here, but you never get a clean look at the license plate. We're not able to determine if that's even his car. just when the officer when the uh
uh agent was questioned about it, he said it was consistent with the description of the car.
Then they said at 8:44 a.m. he exited the parking deck. We will examine in a minute if that's true.
We'll examine in a minute if that's true. Uh 9:24 a.m. goes back downstairs in the parking garage towards the car.
9:25 returns to his car. 9:29 pulls out of the spot and heads towards the parking deck exit. 933 pulls out of the parking deck and then returns.
Notice this timeline of the return because I think this second trip is when he made contact with TPUSA representatives. He returns on foot.
Well, why return unless you weren't able to accomplish your objectives the first time?
Cuz what it looks like to me is he showed up at , did not accomplish what he intended to by , and so he had to come back
and came back on campus at , returns on foot in the same in the same clothing, carrying the same blue book
bag, enters campus through the same parking deck, exits the parking deck, goes to Chick-fil-A on campus, and eats lunch.
exits before 11:00 a.m. Believed he went into the wooded area alongside the northeast side of Campus Drive.
It's a very interesting timeline because it raises a couple of issues. Who did he, you know, do we have video footage
of him eating Chick-fil-A on campus? Was he alone? Obviously, the officer said he made contact with TPUSA representatives. That leads me to believe it's on camera.
Where's that footage? Why can't we see that footage? I think that's absolutely critical. It could be exculpatory.
It could go towards the fact that probable cause is not met here and they're not showing it to us.
And then supposedly exits just before . So he was on campus again for about 50 or and then he goes into the wooded area on the northeast
side of campus drive. Well, what was he doing over there?
What was he doing over there? You know, scouting. I I have no idea. Doesn't make sense to me. And then we'll talk about this rest of this when the time arrives.
But that that presents a pretty decent fed slop timeline.
And so we now have looking for here is the arrival on campus. This is what it looked like in courtroom footage.
Chapter 8: Videos of "Tyler Robinson(s)" on UVU Campus
This is the arrival on campus. Notice the time stamp up here in the top left.
8:29 a.m. 8:29 a.m. Thank you.
Okay. What are we seeing here? As a Uh that's a vehicle is believed to belong to Mr. Robinson arriving in the parking garage on campus.
At what time in the morning? Is what well what time of the day?
Uh it's approximately 8:30 in the morning on September 10th, 2025.
And and what leads you to believe this particular vehicle belongs to Mr. Robinson?
Uh information uh that was provided um regards to driver's license and Department of Motor Vehicle records. The
vehicle fits the description of a vehicle owned by Mr. Robinson, is there anything unique about that vehicle that stands out to you?
So, I'm going to come back to this footage in a second, but I want to I want to clarify something.
The time stamp on this frame is very difficult to see.
I employed help and was able to determine that this time stamp is consistent with that ish a.m.
arrival. So, you had him pull in at . This right here is 8:30 something, , , something like that. He
pulls into his parking spot there. I'm going to let it roll and we're going to notice something about the time stamp.
Uh the the shape of the vehicle is is very distinct, but predominantly the wheels were very distinctive on this uh version of the vehicle.
Now, what do we see?
Uh the driver of the vehicle exits the vehicle and then walks on foot to exit the parking garage.
That's the individual in the the red t-shirt and the shorts and shoes.
And do you believe you recognize who that person is? Yes. Who is that?
That's the cleanest image I could get to stop there uh on whether or not that's Tyler Robinson. You'd have to zoom in and make that determination yourself.
But there's something that's interesting about it because now that he's walking down this, that time we believe says 9:24 a.m.
9:24 a.m.
So if he pulls in the parking deck at 8:29 and he walks this way at 9:24 and I've got where he turns the corner here
and heads to the stairwell, you can see the time stamp in the top left side of the screen here. If you've got uh good footage here, it also
says 9:24 raises an issue.
What was he doing between 8:29 and ?
That's a nearly hour difference. That's that he's unaccounted for.
That's that we cannot see him. We cannot see his car. We don't have a 55minute video that's been released to see if anybody walked up to
the car. Did he leave the car and go back to the We have no idea what happened.
But if he's there working alone, if Tyler Robinson solely planned and executed Charlie Kirk and he's there working alone, why does he drive to the
campus at 8:29 and roll into the parking deck if he's not going to walk down the stairs until ?
Does he go from there?
Uh he heads out of the parking garage on foot uh into the campus. Um notice he has his phone in his left
hand. I want to back it up just a second too. Notice which foot he steps off the stairs with.
Uh he heads out of the parking garage on foot. Uh and he steps off the stair with his right foot. He holds his phone in his left
hand to the campus. Um and actually goes to the and puts the phone in his left pocket. what area of the campus.
At that time, he makes contact with uh some representatives from TPUSA.
Now, I'm a right-handed American.
I hold my phone with my right hand or my left, you know, as I'm looking at it. I hold it with the same hand every time.
I also put my phone in my left pocket every time. It doesn't matter what pants I have on. If I have a swimsuit on, if I have athletic shorts, if I have jeans,
if I have a suit, always the left pocket. Every single time I called all of my children and I had them run to the
top of the stairs and spin around in circles, walk down to the end of the hallway, and then I said, "All right, come back downstairs." Every single one of them took the first step with their left foot.
He took his first step with his right foot and he puts his phone into his left pocket.
Just log that away. Just log that away in the back of your mind as we continue looking through the evidence here. Left
pocket holds hand. Holds left hand. Left pocket. Um.
Yes. Yes. Uh, I have a left-handed person here helping me on the back end who says, "First step right for me, back
right pocket for phone." My right-handed children took their first step with their left foot. And your humble host who's right-handed took
his first step down the stairs with his left foot. Um, now we have uh the footage of Tyler Robinson exiting the
vehicle, entering the stairwell. Um, leaves campus around .
Then we have the 9:33 a.m. image of his car leaving the parking garage. Let me back that up just a smidge. There we go.
I want you to notice something about the car as it leaves the parking garage. This is interesting little tidbit.
This car leaves the parking garage. Going to pause it there.
Roll it forward a little bit. Pause it there. Roll it forward a little bit.
Pause it there. Roll it forward a little bit. Pause it there. That car is leaving the parking garage. 9:33 a.m. He walked
down the stairs at 9:24 to enter campus according to the officer.
Now he's back. He's back coming back down the stairs here. That time he went left footed down.
So he takes his first step with a different foot there. This is 10:09 a.m.
Coming through the hallway here.
I'm not convinced that's the same person.
I'm not at all convinced that's the same person. Here he is coming up the stairs.
turns the corner here and there he is uh at 10:10 walking out of the structure there.
So you have a guy who arrives on campus at , sits in his car, according to the cop, sits in his car till ,
walks out on campus out there for a minute or two. I don't I mean, how how long can he be there? He has to get back to his car and drive away at .
So, how long could he have possibly been out in the campus area? And then he drives his car somewhere.
We actually pick up a Dodge Challenger on a Ring camera somewhere else.
And then we have him walking back in just a short period of time later. And that's when he went to eat Chick-fil-A on campus. And
we believe that's when he made contact with with somebody from TPUSA. Now,
he comes back on campus later. It's 11:53 a.m. and we're told this should be unedited footage. If it's edited, they should have told us.
Luckily, the online sleuths picked up on it. Here is your footage. Notice the time stamp in the top left. 115312.
Don't watch Tyler Robinson on this first rundown. Look only at this shadow over here on the right. Don't watch anything else. We'll watch this a couple of
times. So, don't feel like you need to watch Tyler Robinson right now. Just watch the shadow. Just watch the shadow.
Did you see it? Did you see the shadow jump all at once?
Shadows don't do that. That's not how shadows move. So why does the shadow move?
Why does the shadow move? Now notice this car. Now look only at this white car in the background. Just the white car. Watch it go. It It goes. It goes.
It goes. It goes. Oh, it disappears.
It entered a wormhole, ladies and gentlemen. The white car entered a wormhole.
It goes. It goes. It goes. Oh, it's gone.
Now, only look at Tyler Robinson. What is Tyler Robinson doing while he's waiting here? And there's an obvious jump cut.
We'll look at the time stamp in just a second, but just now look only at Tyler Robinson. What is he doing?
He's playing with his phone with his right hand this time.
Playing with his phone with his right hand this time.
Now go to the timestamp in the upper left. It's 1153 and .
11534 1153 15 1617 Oh 1153 115 5433. Oh,
we lost a minute 16. We lost a minute 16. Why? Why did we lose a minute 16?
This guy's on trial for his life.
We're trying to figure out if there's probable cause that he solely planned and executed Tyler Robinson, Charlie Kirk as we're told he did. Why are we
clipping videos and putting them out and not telling everyone they're clipped?
And why are we clipping them if it's so important that we see him walk up to the stairs and walk down the stairs? It's only a minute 16. Guys, play the whole clip. What's on the clip?
I I feel a little like Brad Pitt. What's in the box? What's in the box?
I can only think of two things that happened that they don't want us to see. One, he made a phone call.
57 minutesAnd they didn't want us to see he made a phone call because that would be problematic. Who's he calling? He's entering campus to take a man's life. Who's he calling? Is he
ordering a pizza? Is he making sure the quick is open so he can get his car shined up after the big event?
Is he making reservations at the Penguin Steakhouse for later? Well, who's he calling?
So, that's option one. Option two is that a car rolled up and talked to him. We know it looks like it happened
on the way into campus. Remember, he was limping down the hill and it looked like a car pulled over on the side of the
road, slowed down, apparently made some kind of contact, and then turned back into the lane of traffic and drove on.
Very interesting behavior if there was no contact made s surely.
But what we see is this entire time he is on the phone. He's constantly piddling on the phone. Tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick.
Constantly piddling on the phone. And the phone happens to change hands.
The phone he uses sometimes he uses it with his right hand, sometimes uses his left hand. It's a little weird to me. I don't know anyone else that does that.
Do you remember when they tried to sell us that Jeffrey uh EPstein
took his own life? And they're like, "Okay, fine. We'll release the footage.
Fine. We'll show you the footage. We'll show you nobody entered that area." And then people are like, "Wait a
minute. There's three minutes missing." Three minutes missing from the footage.
Where's the three minutes? Oh, that's just something that happens.
No. No, that's not something that happens. A lot of us have security cameras. I think almost everybody has security cameras these days. That's not
something that happens. That never happens.
And if it did happen, you should tell us and provide us some other angle where it didn't happen.
But they can't. It's just missing. It's just gone. Just something that happens.
Cameras shut down for . Oh, those other cameras, they didn't work.
We had other cameras that could have shown you what happened those three minutes, but they dad gum cameras. You know how technology is. Did you turn it off and turn it back on?
This man is facing a death sentence.
There's a lot going on in this case that's very shady that does not appear like a man planned and executed this solely by himself.
So now let's see it from this compilation they put together
because it's out of order. The first cut runs from 1156 to 115624
and then it's cut. Then we see a second cut from 115625 to 1165659.
So that's for some reason there's a cut there, but it cuts I think cuz he turns a corner. But we have basically in order. And then there's a third cut.
And if you look at the time stamp, it's actually before the first two.
It's from 11561 to 04. So let's watch this. It's out of order.
Again, the man is on trial for his life.
We should not be cutting stuff out of order to make it look like he's doing something he's not doing. But here it is, same person.
Uh he's noticeably wearing different clothing.
He is wearing different clothing. And he also is walking with a a gate or a limp in this video. With a gate or what?
Limp.
So now we switch to the second one. This is going from Robinson coming up the stairs of the parking structure
again. He seems to be having issues walking.
And now we're going to get a third cut here in just a second.
And again, were we able to track So, were we able to track Mr. Robinson uh when he leaves this parking structure?
Yes, we were able to.
And the third cut goes back before the other two to make it look like I had no idea why you would do that. Again,
if if it's just total incompetence, just admit you don't know what you're doing. You don't know how to cut video footage.
But if it's worse than incompetence, we've got a real problem on our hands. A real problem on our hands. Now, do you remember what I told you? The pocket
that he put his phone in. I'll replay it for you.
You'll be able to see both of these. Um, I give the person credit who found this.
M M found this. Not the letter M. Em M11.
Now, let me show you what it shows. And why? Uh, well, let me ask you this.
You believe this is Mr. Robinson returning to campus? I do. Yes.
Okay. And And why do you believe it's Mr. Robinson?
Uh, the shoes are the same. And um, right hand, right pocket.
Right hand, right pocket. He's wearing jeans, so it's not like he's wearing a swimsuit in one and jeans in another.
Not as doesn't have a business suit on it either. Wearing jeans.
Oh, accidentally closed it out. Let me pull it back up. Right hand, right pocket on that one.
Now, let's go to him in jeans in the holding area in Washington County.
That's Tyler Robinson.
And although we are watching it on video, what? Left hand, left pocket.
For me, that's a big deal. I've never carried a phone in my right pocket since I got my Nokia back in 1998.
I've never carried a phone in my right pocket ever. My left jeans always get a worn spot where my phone sits.
My right pocket is pristine. Pristine.
I don't know about women, but I can tell you men, that's a big deal. That's a big deal.
Is it the same person? Are we dealing with the same person?
Because we can't see faces in any of these images.
Even in the holding cell where you think for sure they're trying to identify that this is the same person.
Even in the holding cell, we don't get his face.
That's a little weird.
Now I ask you, how many dad gum backpacks did this guy have on campus that day? Because when he shows up, this
is from Ali Top Files. When he shows up in his maroon shirt, looking very much not like
Tyler Robinson. When he shows up in his maroon shirt, he's got a navy blue backpack with a little logo here towards
the top. And when he shows up in his black outfit, he has a black backpack that is fundamentally different. Those are two different backpacks.
This does not have a little white thing at the top.
This one has a little white thing at the top. This one has a different uh logo here that's broken up. I'm not sure what it is, but those are two different backpacks.
Why would you need two different backpacks? What are you doing?
It just lends credibility to the idea that there are a lot of different people
at play, at least two, but could be even more. Uh, the agent also testified
that he left campus without a backpack after he left Chick-fil-A.
So this guy that wore his backpack all day and leaves Chick-fil-A with no backpack, comes back with a different backpack.
Came back with a black backpack. Now I want to look at his car.
Chapter 9: Was there More than One Dodge Challenger? Video Suggests Maybe
I want to look at his car. I want you to take a good close look at this car and tell me, am I seeing things?
And do you believe you run there? Some representative here now?
6 minutesHe returns on foot back to the same vehicle.
And what time is he returning back to the vehicle? Uh, it's about 9:25 a.m.
Here he comes.
Just a little a short walk from the from the amphitheater. What do we see now?
Look, take a look at the front of that car.
Take a good look at the front of that car. I'm going to let it roll forward, but take a good look at the view. See the front of that car right there.
Do you see a license plate holder on that car? I'm looking for a license plate holder.
I see none. I see none. I again, I might be seeing things, but I think in light of all the other trickery that appears
to be at foot, we need to look a little more closely at the car that we know is
Tyler Robinson's because it was towed away from his mom's house.
See the license plate holder right there?
Do you see the license plate holder here? And does that front spoiler look the same to you?
It looks It just looks like a different car.
It may not be, but I think if we're trying to place Tyler Robinson there, rather than just say, "Hey, we uh we were going based on
the on the uh on the description of the vehicle, then the vehicle ought to be awfully
identical. There be there needs to be no difference in the vehicle. You should be able to see the license plate holder.
That spoiler, that front spoiler shouldn't stick out so far.
Looks like I I don't know, maybe that's just an artifact of the way the video footage is cut. I don't know the angle, but I see no license plate holder and that front spoiler looks fundamentally different.
I've long suspected there was more than one person walking around that they're saying is Tyler Robinson every time. And I've also long
suspected that there was more than one Dodge Challenger driving around.
And I don't know if that's evidence of it or not.
It looks It looks like it to me. Um I'll show you just in case you think it's only in crystal clear picture.
Do you uh get it? This is um some footage. Let me find the time stamp here. It was 555. Here is some footage
where you can clearly see the license plate holder on the car um as it is being driven around town.
So, it's not just a This is from Gray Hughes Investigates. This is work he did I don't know 6 8 nine months ago. It's a
long time ago. But you can see there's a license plate holder right there.
And that that looks to me like the car that was towed away.
I don't know. Just something to think about as we continue to investigate.
Chapter 10: Testimony of Brian Davis of Utah SBI and the Many Inconsistencies and Inaccuracies
Now, I want to get to the Brian Davis testimony today. He was largely the only person that had anything to do today.
Um, first thing I want to point out is that Brian through Brian Davis, they gave us the um
Mike Mitchell testimony. You guys remember Mike Mitchell? Mike Mitchell was the guy who um was the family friend who helped turn
Tyler Robinson in. Now, just before this testimony, maybe just after, can't remember which,
Erica Kirk's lawyer, Nyman, Mr. Nyman, gets up and he says, "Judge,
we want you to put in all the text messages, no redactions.
We need everybody to see all the evidence so that everybody knows this is being done fair and they know who's responsible.
But when it came to the testimony of Mike Mitchell, both the state and the defense said, you know,
we don't want to hear any of this Mike Mitchell business come out. Now, the the defenses objected to everything being published, so it doesn't shock me that
they would not want it published, but it did shock me that the prosecution didn't want it published.
I got this from Sam Parker on X based Sam Parker on X. It's an excellent clip of this problem.
And I believe you mentioned previously that law enforcement conducted an interview with Mr. Mitchell. They did. Remind us when that interview occurred.
So that was the early morning hours of September 12th.
So on September 12, this is a recurring theme. On September 12th, they interviewed Mike Mitchell. They interviewed Lance Twigs about the same
time they interviewed Tyler Robinson, or they tried to interview Tyler Robinson about the same time. They interviewed Tyler Robinson's parents about the same time.
But those aren't the statements they're trying to introduce.
In fact, they're not trying to introduce the statements from the parents at all, which goes cuts right against this mountain of evidence we've been promised we're going to see in the preliminary hearing. You know, his parents turned
him in. They told him he was guilty. He told him he confessed to his parents. Oh yeah. Yeah. You know what would really cut towards probable cause. His parents
saying that his parents admitting the son confessed to them would really undercut all this
probable cause hearing that we're having. We wouldn't have to worry about how many lls were on the DNA. How long were they?
We wouldn't have to worry about contribution percentages of the DNA on the on the on the towel versus on the screwdriver.
We wouldn't have to worry about, well, can you see the grainy guy running across? Is it the same guy? We would have to worry about, well, can you identify his face? No. You would have
mom and dad saying he did it. He told us he did it. We were promised that evidence existed. We were told that existed, but we're not getting that.
They're not putting that in. That's not on the witness list. That's not on the exhibit list.
Instead, we're getting rehashed, recapped testimony from months after the fact. Not the testimony from Lance Twigs the next morning. No, no, no.
We're getting testimony from Lance Twigs in April. We're not getting testimony from Mike Mitchell that next morning. I mean, what did Mike Mitchell say the next morning that we can't hear?
No, we're getting testimony from Mike Mitchell from the end of March at the Washington County uh Washington County Sheriff's Department.
Are you aware if a second uh interaction or statement was collected from Mr. Mitchell? Yes, it was. When did that happen?
It was March 31st of this year.
Why did we need a second statement? Why wouldn't the statement that happened on September 12th be much fresher in his mind than what happened on March 31st?
Wouldn't it be more spontaneous? Wouldn't it be more accurate? Wouldn't it have more detail?
Wouldn't it be more believable when you're talking about probable cause? Why can't we see Mike Mitchell's September 12th system? What was or wasn't in there that the state doesn't want us to hear?
Again, is this how we want to proceed with the judicial system in the United States? How did this happen?
So all those individuals met with uh Mike Mitchell at was the St. George well at the St. George court office uh court
house courthouse there. Um they met and and discussed briefly just going to kind of talk generally about the situation.
Uh from there Mr. Mitchell was given a handwritten 11:02 paper statement and he left the room, went into a separate
office by himself, was there for about an hour where he hand u hand wrote a statement, filled the statement out.
When that was complete, he came back into the room where the others were waiting and provided that 1102 statement to them.
You You know what would be even more convincing? Mike Mitchell on the stand.
Lance Twigs on the stand. We don't We don't have to read what they said
in a recorded statement nine months later, seven, eight months later. No, tell me what they said that
night or put them on the stand where we can ask him some questions.
Because it's when we're able to ask you questions that your case falls apart.
It's when we're able to ask you questions that we learn that the Challenger was not driven by Tyler Robinson. It was driven by a bald man with three passengers.
And something we would have never learned if we weren't able to ask questions.
What is it about that date though? March 31st. Why bring him in March 31st?
You guys know anything that happened just before March 31st? I do.
I'll be happy to show you something that happened just before March 31st.
the former sheriff, Nate Brooksby.
He resigned after trumped up sexual harassment allegations and investigation interference allegations,
but not before he got a $100,000 payday in severance.
So that happened on March 27th. The news of that largely broke on March 30th
and then on March 31st now they can bring in Mike Mitchell.
Now we can bring him in and get a new statement from Mike Mitchell. I'm sorry guys. The entire Fed slop narrative
depends on Nate Brooksby being right when he says, "I received a call at 802 and that's the first I'd heard of this
Tyler Robinson guy." Oh, he turned himself into me around nine o'clock. That's Nate Brooksby.
That begins and ends with Nate Brooksby.
But it wasn't until Nate Brooksby resigned on investigation interference, whatever that is, and given a $100,000
hush payment, allegedly.
And that's when we can bring in Mike Mitchell and finally get to the bottom of this case. It's a little suspicious for me. I'd rather hear from Mike
Mitchell. Much rather hear from Mike Mitchell. Uh, so we learned that today from Brian Davis. What else did we
learn? Oh, we learned there was a 223 round. A 223 round found on another roof. We learned that
the other day, but he was asked about it. It looked something like this.
Notice what he says about whether it would be possible to take a shot from where this round was found on September 10th. that a bullet was
found on a roof. Do you remember that testimony? I do.
Um, do you have knowledge about what that about that bullet? What that is about? Yes, I do.
What roof was that bullet found on?
Uh, I believe it was the Well, it was found on the computer science building on the roof um on the far east side of the of the roof of the building itself.
How do you know that it was found there?
Uh, I reviewed the agent's report that that found that, documented it, and collected it. What agent was that?
It was agent Ben Schneider with SBI.
Are you aware of where the computer science building is on campus? Yes. Yes.
Can you explain generally where that is located? Yeah, from where the Losi building is, it's a building directly kind of south and east of there.
Okay. Well, if this guy's ever with you and you're lost in the woods, don't rely
on him to get you out cuz you won't make it. You will get lost if you're following his direction.
Uh because the computer science building is not at all south and east of
um of of uh of of the Losi center. Not at all. In fact, I have the UVU campus
right here pulled up. I've got it angled to the north. I've got the Losi center dead center here. So, let me show you what the Losi Center looks like.
That is the Losi Center right there. We are due north. If I go south and east, I get to this building down here to the
south and east. I do not get to the computer science building. I have to go north and east to get to the computer science building.
Got to go north and east. This is the computer science building right here. This large building with a round top.
We'll talk more about it in just a moment, but you can see it is absolutely not south and east.
So, Mellin, he is not. Lewis and Clark, don't worry. Your legacy is safe.
Agent Brian Davis is not at risk of exploring new territory and and and accurately charting it.
But mo most importantly though, uh let me get back to this. Most importantly, he says there's no direct line of sight from that building to Charlie Kirk.
But I would never play him saying that without sharing it with you because that would be pulling a baron and we don't do that around here. Los
southeast from the Losi building. Where is it in connection to the uh auditorium section that we've been talking about where Mr. Kirk was stationed?
Uh it's east of there.
East and a little bit east and a little bit south.
Again, don't follow this guy into the woods and expect to get out. Uh it is east and north, but that's okay. I'm not holding
it against him. Not everybody knows the cardinal directions. Yeah, mostly east.
Would there have been from that roof of the computer science building to your knowledge would there be have been a line of sight to Mr. Kirk's tent?
No. Not according to the agent uh agent Ben Schneider. There was not a line of sight from there to where the tent was.
Well, I hate to be the one to break it to everybody. That's not accurate.
That's not accurate. I could pull up Google Earth and I could flip it all around and I've done it.
But I don't have to do that, you see, because that would be subjective.
That would be subjective. Instead, I can show you one of the great heroes of this investigation, a guy we jokingly refer
to as Paramount impractical. Paramount not so tactical, but he did break several news items. He definitively
proved Mitch Snow was at Fort Wuka on September 9th. definitively live on
the air and blinked like this when it happened. He also is the one who revealed that Andrew Kovette was trying
to pass off a fake picture of Erica's kids as an alibi supposedly for September 8th, even though the picture was dated September 9th.
And even though one of the two kids is admittedly not hers and we have questions about the other one.
Nevertheless, nevertheless, not done with breaking news stories and helping out the defense.
Paramount Impractical did one better. He actually went to the campus and flew a very expensive drone. I don't know what this cost him.
It had to be tens of thousands of dollars. I'm not joking. travel out there with the equipment, fly the equipment, buy the software, build it all out. I've actually used this. This is not my drawing. This is his.
And he did a live demonstration of this software that he built or that he used to construct this uh 3D rendering of the
facility. and he showed there is actually a direct line of sight from the computer science building
to Charlie Kirk because that red line wouldn't be there if you did not have a direct line of
sight. Now, is that the most practical shot you've ever seen taken? No. No. But I don't believe he was shot with a gun at all. I certainly don't believe he was shot with a 30 out six from 142 yards.
And I think this would be a 223 round from like 300 and something yard, 320, 350 yards. A long shot,
especially dangling off the side of a building like that. But it goes to the veracity of the testimony from Mr.
Davis. It absolutely is possible that a shot was taken from there. So it's absolutely relevant that a round was found there.
It's absolutely re relevant a round was founded and we're supposed to take his word that the round is irrelevant.
We're supposed to take his word for the fact that the round doesn't really matter because you can't get a line of sight anyway when in fact you can. In fact, you can.
Now, that is So, that's one reason I don't
think that he was shot with a 223 from a computer science bill, but it's possible. It's possible. Um, let me show you this video footage.
Here's another reason I don't think that he was shot from a 223 round from the computer science building because we have eyewitness testimony from mere seconds after the big bang.
And these people were standing directly below the Losi center. They were on a ledge standing directly below the Losi
center. They were basically between the Losi center and Charlie Kirk.

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And if you're standing in that position and you hear a gunshot, I don't think it strains the imagination to believe that you would know whether
it came from behind you or in front of you. So what do the people on the scene say?
Do they say it was a 306 from behind them or a 223 from even farther behind them?
Shocking from down there. That's insane.
The shot came from down there.
These people were standing between the Loshi Center and down there.
Have you ever been in the middle of a rifle range? Not hard to tell where the shot came from.
You ever had someone shooting from behind you and shooting at a target that way? Hopefully not. But those in war have those who've been in unfortunate
situations, hunting accidents, mistakes, close calls, they have.
The shot came from down there. Meaning it did not come from the computer science building with a 223. I'll give you that. But I I won't tell you there's
no line of sight cuz there is. So don't don't lie to me on the stand. And I don't believe it came from the 306 on the Losi center. Because these people were like 20 yards from the Losi center.
And they said, "Oh, the shot came from down there." Came from down there. It came from down there.
That's interesting. It's interesting.
Now, let's get to the object of speculation we've had on this program for a very long time.
For a very long time, I have speculated that Tyler Robinson was in custody prior to 6:25 p.m. on September 11th. I've
doubled down on it. I've tripled down on it. I've quint quadrupled down on it. And recently, I quintupled down on it.
And I was hopeful Brian Davis would clear it up. He did not. He did not.
What he gave us was a bunch of Fed slop starting with hearsay. And he did not even identify the source of the hearsay.
I'll let you hear how it sounded from him when he said Tyler Robinson turned himself in at . Here's what it sounded like.
Yes, it is.
Is that standard practice for a facility like that to have video recording in such a room? Yes. Very, very common. Have you reviewed that video?
I have.
And in your review of that video, does it fairly and accurately depict Mr. Robinson at that that time? It does.
Um you see on your screen what's been marked as states exhibit 15. Do you recognize that? I do. What is that?
That's the interview room in which um Mr. Robinson was was se seated and waiting.
State moves to admit exhibit 15.
Miss Hunt. And in in the other two steps, what's your request? Oh. Uh, we would ask to admit it into evidence. Um,
we have defense council and I have uh agreed upon
uh I guess redaction um of of the video and I would ask to publish it um both to the courtroom and to the uh media.
Mr. Novak silent corrected.
Yes. Um, yes, your honor, Miss Hunt is correct. The state had originally proposed um a longer um image with audio.
Daisy, do we know the time stamp on the 9:00 p.m. comment because I don't want to keep keep playing unnecessarily long videos. Um, regardless, uh Oh, she's grabbing it.
So he um while she grabs it,
he says uh the question is to him, what time did he turn himself in? And he says something effective of I was told he turned himself in at .
That was the big reveal.
That was the big reveal. He was told he turned himself in at . Uh okay. 111.
Got it. Here we go. Um, so I'm going to back it up
just a few seconds before that so you guys can can hear it in full. But here is how he revealed that he was in custody long before or long after your
humble host thinks he might have been in custody. Long after he might have been in custody.
Uh, were you aware or did you become aware what time that individual arrived at Washington County Sheriff's Office?
I was told he arrived there about 900 p.m. You were told.
You were also told there was no line of sight from the computer science building, sir. And there is.
You also have put forward all this edited nonsense that doesn't add up.
So, you might have been told that.
Who told you that? Disgraced Sheriff Nate Brooksby who resigned and got a $100,000 payday.
And after he resigned, then Mike Mitchell can all of a sudden come in and redo his 1102 or do a an .
And is that consistent with everything we've learned to date? No. No, not at all. 9:00 p.m. Well, that's new information because every single
warrant, all 16 warrants in this case said he turned him in itself in at .
All 16 warrants say he turned himself in at . That's 10:26 p.m. Tyler Robinson arrived at the Washington
County Sheriff's Office accompanied by his parents at approximately .
o, who told you 900 p.m.? Not the same person who told the who informed the person who filled out
the probable cause affidavit. Not that person.
And why why is it why don't we know? Oh, we could look at the video footage, but you've told us you've accidentally deleted it. We could look at that. Um,
now here is what we got from Ryan McBride shortly after the arrest.
This is from one of the prosecutors.
I am one of the prosecuting attorneys assigned to the Charlie Kirk aggravated murder case. Please review the attached letter carefully as well as the guidance
from the ethical rules below. Do not mention that Tyler Robinson invoked Fifth Amendment right or make comments on his character or your belief of his guilt.
Notice it went to the Washington County Sheriff. But so there's at least threats on, hey, you guys be very cautious as to what you say. We've got it under control.
But who told you it was 9:00 p.m.? And who told the people filling out the uh uh search warrants and the arrest affidate that it was ?
And why don't those times match? This is an important case. This matters. This matters. And why don't we have the person in the chair who told you it was
9:00 p.m.? Why can't we ask that person why they believe it was 9:00 p.m.?
It gets worse. It gets worse, believe it or not.
Actually, hold on. I want to look at something before I pull it up. Okay.
So, he's going to tell us what time Tyler Robinson was arrested. This is a matter of concern here.
33 minutesAfter all the interviews were completed, when we talked to everybody, um that he was formally arrested at that time.
And I'm going to come back to that in a second. Um, well, I excuse me. Where did the arrest take place?
Uh, at the Washington County Sheriff's Office.
And what date did that happened on?
Uh, would have been September 12th. Um, was about 4:00 a.m. I believe of September 12th.
So, he was officially arrested at 4:00 a.m. on the 12th per this guy's testimony. This guy who has now been caught twice telling us something that's
not accurate. Um, the problem with that is let's go back to the actual
documentation, not the testimony from today, but the actual documentation from early on, what we have received up to this point.
We have here an arrest date at 4:00 a.m. on 9:12 right there.
And it's I know it's small. I can't make it any bigger. So, we got an arrest date right here and a booking date right there around 8:00 a.m. Okay, no problem.
That's consistent.
So, what was this? What is this arrest date at a 911 at 10 p.m.? Because it says right here on this left hand column, arrest date 911 2025 10 p.m.
arresting officer Brian Davis. And then it says date in 912 2025. That's 1:58 a.m. This is the
Utah County Sheriff inmate booking sheet.
I would assume date in means that's when he was brought in to Utah County. But we're now told
he was not brought in to Utah County until well after 1:58 a.m. on September 12th. Well, silly us for believing what you guys wrote.
Silly us for thinking all this stuff meant anything. Notice here he submitted this affidavit under criminal penalty in the state of
Utah that the foregoing is true and correct.
And so when we're trying to form our opinion of what happened, all we have to go on is the public information that we know. And the public information that we
know is you guys had a document that said he was arrested at 1000 p.m. by you, Brian Davis.
And then that we couldn't square that because it said that he didn't, you know, you you also filled out documents that said he didn't show up till 2:20 or 10:26 p.m. That was on the search
warrants. And now you're telling us it's actually 900 p.m. and he wasn't arrested until 4:00 a.m.
Well, which is it? Like, why don't we have one story? This is probably the strangest case I've ever seen.
Probably the very strangest case I've ever seen. So, let's go to Governor Cox's press conference.
When did when did they believe that he was arrested?
When do when do these guys believe he was arrested? That's Cash Money Patel, by the way.
new images to the public of the suspect.
And just last night, the suspect was taken into custody at 10 p.m. local time.
In less than , 33 to be precise. So, he says 10 p.m.
So, we've got one document that says he was arrested at 10 p.m. on September 11th. We've got the federal director of the FBI saying he was brought into
custody at 10 p.m. We've got search warrants that says he was brought in at 10:26 p.m. And we have um testimony now
in open court that he was brought in at 9:00 p.m.
And I'm the crazy one for questioning what time he was brought in. I'm the crazy one.
And what about Lance Twigs? Where was Lance interview? Where was Lance Twigs interviewed? I think this goes again to his credibility as a witness and what if
what he's saying is true. What about Lance Twigs's testimony? Named Lance Twigs. Yes, I am.
And who is he in in regards to this investigation? He's the roommate of Tyler Robinson.
Was he interviewed as part of this investigation? He was. How many times? two times. When was the first time?
The first time was the early morning hours of September 12th and that occurred at St. George Police Department.
Occurred where, sir? St. George Police Department. First time I've heard that.
Everything so far has taken place at the Washington County Sheriff's Office or at the Utah County Sheriff's Office.
Why? Why was he interviewed at the Surely there's documentation to support what you just said. That's a a pretty shocking deviation from what we believed
up to this date. Oh, on 912 2025 at approximately , FBI agent,
special agent Lang conducted an interview with the boyfriend of Tyler Robinson at the Washington County Sheriff's Office.
That again is from the sworn statements that were submitted to a judge.
That was the sworn statement submitted to a judge that he was interviewed at 0100 on 912 at the Washington County Sheriff's Office.
You being you're being really picky. No, I'm being we're talking about a man's life. There's a question of whether or not he is a psy.
You should be able to tell me the basic details and they should be consistent across time. They should not change.
They should not change over time.
I'm going to leave for just a second the testimony to get to some height checking
that was done on a key piece of evidence we looked at earlier.
Chapter 11: Diligent Denizen Reports on Heights with Pictures from Parking Deck
A height checking that was done on a key piece of evidence earlier. So, let me get to that now because
diligent Dennis has done what I consider pretty good work here. We had a question of whether or not Tyler Robinson was the guy in the parking garage earlier.
Well, Diligent Dennis went out and measured it off and he found from the same angle, from
the same spot that 5'11 is what Tyler Robinson's height's
listed at. And this guy is listed well above or this guy appears to be well above 5'11
probably by 2 3 4 in because that right there that marker right there
is the 5'11 mark and he's well above that mark.
That's just it's something something to consider. I know I'm jump I jumped around there to get that, but I just I just saw it and uh I wanted to wanted to
mention it here. Um so Tyler Robinson being 510 5'11 uh not well above six feet. Not well above six feet. All
right, let me go to um his testimony said, you know, we had a
question of how did he get there so fast? Did he drive? Because again, the documentation we had that was publicly released in sworn statements
was that Brian Davis arrested him at 10 p.m. He was arrested by Brian Davis at 10 p.m. I showed you that document a minute ago. And so I had no reason to
doubt that. I have no reason to doubt these people's sworn statements. I didn't think I had any. But it turns out that's not true at all. It says he flew into St. George.
Well, we found the plane and this plane landed around 11:37 p.m.
It landed in St. George around 11:37 p.m., which is consistent with his testimony today that he landed a little around . So, that'd be like a 7
minute difference there. That would be a 7-minute difference. And then you got to drive from here over to here because the sheriff's
office is in hurricane hurricane over here. I have no idea why they didn't fly into the hurricane airport since they were going there, but they flew into St.
George for some reason St. George and then drove to Hurricane.
Um, and we'd had that flight from the beginning. We'd long suspected somebody from the state flew in on that plane. It's a state plane. It's a state plane.
Um, tomorrow we will look at some other places that plane has been and some other places other planes have been that seem to line up and be very interesting to me.
very interesting to me when we're talking about um this whole case. And so so where where are we today? Where are
we? Uh did did Baron get owned by the testimony? Did they did they prove even by probable cause that Tyler Robinson
absolutely could not have turned himself in before 6:25 p.m.? Nonsense. No, not even remotely. They didn't even try to.
They had a guy give hearsay and say, "Oh, someone told me he turned himself in at ." Yeah. Well, everybody else said 10 or 1026. So, you somebody's lying. You're all lying. I don't know.
Somebody's wrong. You're all wrong. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. But I don't think I am. I think I'm right. I still think I'm right. There's been no
evidence, no acceptable evidence that I am anything but right.
Turns out I'm wrong. I'll be the first one to tell you. I opened up today showing you two times I made a mistake.
Uh, and I explained why I made the mistake. I'm not above making mistakes.
It won't be the first time it's happened. It won't be the last.
But under no circumstances did anything happen today that changed my opinion.
Nothing changed my opinion.
I want to show you one more sideby-side comparison because this is actually pretty good as well. These are supposed to be the same person walking through the same parking deck.
You'll notice this guy's eyes are kind of even with his brake. And you'll notice right here as he turns this corner, uh, kind of his nipple area here
is just below this second dot, this guy turns, his eyes are well below the brake,
and his nipple area is down here, well below where the other one was. I'll go back and let you see it again.
44 minutesThey don't look like the same person to me. They look like different people. Um, I've looked at their gate. You know, you you can only share so much on a given
show. I don't want to overwhelm everybody. Uh, one of them walks more on the toes, one of them walks more on the heels. And if you know what a toe walker is, Jesse on fire pointed me to this. If
you know what a toe walker is, you'll know what I'm talking about. Somebody who's very heavy on the toes, soft on the heels, as opposed to somebody who leads with the heel and then goes with
the toe. The gate is fundamentally different. Now, you say, "But B, a rifle down." Okay, maybe, maybe I got it. But,
I mean, just things we've been thinking about. Things we've been thinking about.
But what do we learn today? What have we learned from the first three days of this?
Chapter 12: What Did We Learn Today? Summary of Last Two Days: It's Fed Slop!
We've learned you can't put Tyler Robinson anywhere at all ever because every single image
of Tyler Robinson is grainy, blurry, turned to the side, no no ability to distinguish the face. That's one thing we learned.
The second thing we learned was these guys are deceptively editing the evidence. They're deceptively editing
the evidence. They're deceptively clipping it. They're not telling you when have passed and they're trying to play it as if it's one continuous motion. Oh, he just wheeled
into the parking garage, got out and walked out of the courtyard. Yeah, but what did he do for the other ? What did he do?
We have a 55minute gap, sir. Was he playing Words with Friends?
Was he looking up dirty images on his iPhone? What was he doing for in his car? Allegedly in his car. I don't even know if he's in his car.
We learned they will leave out key facts that undercut their narrative. They'll lie to you. It's a lie by omission
omission, but it is a lie because whether or not there were four people in that Dodge Challenger that showed up at , 12:47 p.m. in front
of the Nest camera at in front of the Nobles house, whether or not there were four people, somebody said there were, the person who
provided you the footage said there were four people and you didn't tell us. You didn't tell us. You've never told us
that. all these search warrants you guys executed. You mentioned him and his car. You didn't mention three other people.
You didn't mention a bald guy.
We learned this guy was meeting with TPUSA people at the scene. And now we have a representative from Charlie Kirk
show who knows these TPSA people who was at the scene.
We now know he can't account for his whereabouts while that meeting took place.
Oh, did I mention he's a bald guy?
Oh, and where did Blake Nef go after the event? Where did Blake Nef go after the event?
H you guys know where he went after the Charlie Kirk event? after the hospital.
I do or at least I know what he said last night in an exspace.
I'll play it for you. Diligent Dennison asked a great question after you left the hospital. Where did
you go? Did you go back to Phoenix? Did you spend the night?
Do you remember um when you left like Oram or the Oram area that that night?
Did you leave on the 10th, like the evening of the 10th? No, we left the following day.
And and and did you like how did you get back to Phoenix?
Uh I went back uh on uh a jet that was made available to us like a private jet or something.
Yeah.
Yeah. Cuz those people don't fly coach on the 11th. On the 11th.
So So you were in you were in Oram on the night of the on the night of the 10th. Uh, yes, I was.
Interesting. Thank you. Yeah, that is interesting. He went on to say he stayed at a hotel.
Does it doesn't quite remember if he left the hotel.
Everyone else from TP USA went to Salt Lake City that night or went home. Not Blake.
Blake, bald guy. Noted bald man. Stayed in Orum at a hotel.
flew back the next day on a private jet on the 11th.
Setting aside the obvious obvious proflegate spending, setting aside the fact that they flew a
man who doesn't work for TPUSA, probably at TPUSA cost, I would guess. Maybe the Charlie Kirk show paid for it. I don't
know. But on a 8 10 12 $15,000 flight when he could have flown first class for
like a grand maybe two one way from from Salt Lake to Phoenix. I mean rented a car drove it for 150 bucks. I
don't know. Putting all that aside noted bald man Blake Nef cannot account for his whereabouts.
does not remember where he was after he landed in Salt Lake City
and does not remember where he was or he does know where he was the night of the 10th on into the 11th he was in
Oram while the rest of the team was in Salt Lake City.
Are you saying Blake Nef 100% is the bald guy that Miss Nobles believes she saw driving the believe she saw driving the Challenger?
No, I can't say that. Can't say that at all.
But I think it's worth discussing. I think it's worth exploring.
And if I'm the law enforcement and I'm investigating a homicide
and I know there's a bald man who was there who worked for TPUSA and I know the alleged shooter met with representatives from TPSA and I know the
bald man stayed in Orum that night where a bald man was seen driving a Challenger back to the scene of the crime with three homies.
I might be tempted to ask where were you on the night of September 10th. Blake, can I see your phone?
You have that tool on Google Maps that tracks everywhere you go and you can look back at it.
Can we get a better image from from Miss Noble's camera than the blurry chopped up image we were given? You
know, blurry and chopped up. Chopped up and questionable. This seems to be a theme with TP USA.
Erica Kirk will do a good job. I appoint Erica Kirk. Cut, cut, cut.
Why can't we just get evidence that Tyler Robinson solely planned and executed Charlie Kirk? Why
do we have to have these jump cuts? Why do we have to have all these blurs? Why do we have have all this discussion about hearsay testimony? Oh, I believe
he I was told he turned himself in at 9:00 p.m. I was told he turned himself in at 10:00 p.m. I was told he turned himself in at 10:26 p.m. This document says he was arrested at . This document says he was arrested at .
This document says he was arrested at . This document says he checked in at 2 p.m. at 2 a.m. This document said he checked in at 8 a.m. Why all the
madness? Why is there not a consistent story? And why is the sheriff who took him in not making the tapes available of when he turned himself in?
The question in this case is not whether Tyler Robinson planned and executed Charlie Kirk. That's just part of the question. The actual question
is was this a multi- agency coverup to remove Charlie Kirk from this planet?
And if it is, it goes right to the top because you have the FBI involved. You have the Utah sheriff involved. You have the Utah uh county prosecutors involved.
You have the Washington County Sheriff involved. You have the State Bureau of Investigation involved.
This doesn't look good, guys. Honestly, three days into this, if I'm Judge Graph and I'm looking at all this evidence, I
say, "Are you serious right now?" Because you know what they're going to present tomorrow? They're going to present Lance Twig's testimony. You know all the the only words you're going to hear out of his mouth? Yes. Uh-huh.
That's right. Correct. That's all you're going to hear.
What you're going to hear instead is a prosecutor or an investigator feeding him
uh leading questions and then you did this, right? Yes. And then he did this, right? Yes. And then you said this, right? Yes. And then he
said that, right? Yes. That's all you're going to hear. We're not going to hear his statement from September 11th or 12th.
We're not going to have him on the stand where he could be cross-examined.
We're just going to get him saying, "Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. You know what else we're going to see?
We're going to see pictures.
We're going to see pictures of purported text messages.
Text messages that could have sent been sent by anyone and could have said anything. Things that could have been edited. Things that could have been manufactured.
Oh, but you don't trust the FBI, do you?
Do you trust the FBI right now?
What happened on 911? What happened in the Las Vegas shooting?
What happened in any of the I mean, you there dozens of examples of things like this.
What happened in Oklahoma City? What happened at Ruby Ridge? Do you trust them?
Do you believe everything that comes out of the government's mouth? Really when there is actual evidence that could
be available, look at the do a do an extraction, an electronic extraction of the cell phone and show us what it says.
Where did these at least make an effort where did these messages originate?
Whose phone was it on a computer? Was it a phone? Did they actually say that? Where were they when this was done?
We're not going to get any of that.
Are they going to bring the gun in and show you how the safety works? No. No, they're not going to do that.
55 minutesThey haven't turned any of this over so far to the defense. The defense has seen none of this.
And if you're buying it hook, line, and sinker, I feel bad for you right now.
I'm not mad at you. I feel bad. I feel bad because you don't demand the best.
You don't demand the best. You should demand the best, but you're not demanding the best.
You absolutely should expect your government when it is prosecuting a human being
and trying to kill that person to be very precise,
very honest, very forthcoming.
Be an open book. We're so confident in our case. You can talk to Miss Nobles.
We don't care what she says. We're confident in our case. Sure, you can talk to Tyler Robinson. That's fine.
Yes, we know that you've been told over and over and over he confessed to his parents. You'll hear from them. They'll tell you all about what he told them.
They'll tell you how he confessed to them. We're not scared of what they'll say.
Notice all of our documentation has him arriving at the exact same time. Oh, the footage of him turning himself in. It's right here. We'll play it on the courtroom. Notice how dark it is
outside. Notice the timestamps consistent with everything we've said in all of our documentation. There's no distinction. There are no differences.
This is how a courtroom should be run.
This is what we should expect of our government of by and for the people.
They're operating on your behalf. To the extent the FBI is involved, all of us who are Americans, we're prosecuting
Tyler Robinson. To the extent the SBI, the State Bureau of Investigations involved, all you in Utah, you're prosecuting Tyler Robinson.
To the extent the Utah County prosecutors involved, all you in Utah County, you are trying to kill Tyler Robinson.
And you should demand better. You should demand better. There should be no unexplained gaps in the footage. There should be no deceptive edits shuffling
things around in the wrong order. There should be no edits at all. Just play the video. Here's everything we have. There should be no question of who he met with from TPUSA.
Here's the footage of him meeting with someone at TPSA. There should be no question he ate at Chick-fil-A. Here's the footage of him in the Chick-fil-A. Here's his credit card receipt.
Instead, we're not getting any of that.
Instead, we're told that Charlie Kirk's security team calls Ben Shapiro team
while Charlie Kirk is dying in their laps.
Is that consistent with trying to get him to the hospital as quickly and safely as possible? Is that consistent with trying to take all the life-saving measures necessary necessary to save his
life on the way? That call couldn't waited . You couldn't have waited till you rolled up to the hospital and got them on a stretcher and
got them in the operating room, got them in the safe hands of a capable physician and supporting staff,
nurses who know what they're doing, and assistants who know what they're doing.
You couldn't have waited to call Ben, call Ben's team.
I think Ben Shapiro was trying to get out of something, got out in front of something. If we're gonna be going to trial, if we're gonna end, if this guy is gonna stubbornly stay alive, this
Tyler Robinson, if he's if he's not going to go out by uh in a hail of gunfire before he turns himself in, if he's not going to off himself before he
goes and does his preliminary hearing of trial, if he if he's just going to insist on showing up to trial and cross-examining everybody on the evidence and putting everything in and
subpoenaing records, if he's going to look at the cell phone records of all five people who were in that SUV to figure out what they were doing, were
they taking life-saving measures. Did they call the hospital and let them know they were on the way? Did they call 911 and let them know they were on the way?
Did they do anything at all to try to save Charlie Kirk's life? Because those things would be consistent with it. But if you know, if you're Ben Shapiro and you know that's coming, if you know the
defense is going to do those things and they're going to look at the cell phone records and they're going to say, "Well, what's this number?"
This this call was made between when Charlie Kirk went down at 12:23 and when they showed up at the hospital at .
Who is this? And they know that number is going to go back to a member of Ben Shapiro's team.
Well, you got to get out in front of that.
You can't just wait for that bomb to drop in open court when this case goes to trial. You can't wait for that to leak out from the defense while they're
preparing for trial. You can't wait for that to come up maybe in the preliminary hearing if somebody says, "Oh, and by the way, and why haven't we heard from anybody on
Charlie Kirk's security team during this preliminary hearing? They were the closest witnesses.
They would be able to tell you where they heard a gunshot come from.
Why haven't we heard from any witnesses who were there? All we're hearing from is the cops who investigated.
Where's the medical examiner? Where's the doctor?
Do you have to have those things to establish probable cause? I think so. In my opinion, I think so.
Because if you're going to get past probable cause, you can't just have only government
actors up there talking and then Lance Twigs, who wasn't even there.
That doesn't work. That that doesn't work at all.
Not one person who was at the event that day is going to say anything.
Oh, but we're going to be awfully transparent, says Erica Kirk's attorney.
We demand transparency, but we don't object to you not hearing from Mike Mitchell. No, no, no. You know, we don't need you seeing what he had to say. And
we don't want to hear from anybody who was there that day. We don't want to hear from Dan Flood or Brian Harpole. We don't want to hear from Rick Cutler. We don't want to hear from Frank Turk.
We don't want to hear from any of these people, the people who saw the injury.
We're only going to hear from government people and Lance Twigs, who in my opinion may be a government person himself.
Certainly seems to be protected like his DNA was at the scene as well. He had access to all of Tyler's stuff.
All the stuff they found in Tyler's house, they also found in Lance Twigs's house. Targets, the tools, the Dremel that they
allegedly was used to grind messages on the bullets. That was Lance Twigs's house, too.
Has Lance Twigs given a decent alibi for where he was that afternoon before?
We I mean, we know the next morning he was allegedly was at his mom's birthday party, which for some reason was being celebrated at 9:00 a.m. A weird time to celebrate birthday, but 8:00 a.m.,
whatever. But where was he the night before? Where was he the day before? Has anyone asked?
It would be nice to ask him on the stand. We're not going to get that, though.
We're not going to get that. We're not going to get from anybody who was not a single person there that day are we going to hear from.
And Judge Graph is going to be asked to listen to only government witnesses and make a determination
whether or not this thing should go to trial.
Is that normal? I don't think so. I don't think this is normal. I've testified in front of a grand jury
because they wanted to hear from more than government witnesses about a crime that was allegedly committed and they thought I might have been a witness to that crime.
And so I got called in to a grand jury, which is a lot like a preliminary hearing. It's just a judge or its citizens, but basically functions
similarly. They present evidence and then the factfinder, this case, the judge, in the case I was in, it was a grand jury, looks at the facts and
determines whether or not there's probable cause to proceed to trial.
And what happened to me was while I was in the grand jury, after the prosecutor asked questions, the grand jurors started asking questions. I think five or six of them asked me different
questions. Some of them pretty good questions. Probing questions.
I don't think it's normal to proceed to trial without having heard from any witness outside of the government.
But if you wanted to have a government-ledd cover up, this is how you would do it.
This is this is what a government-ledd coverup would look like.
The government would be in control of everything. Would be the only ones the judge hears from. That's it. That's all we'll hear from.
We're not going to put a single person in a seat that could be cross-examined who doesn't get a paycheck from the government.
Well, he, you know, Officer Bagley's here. We'll talk about him tomorrow.
We've got some information on Bagley, whether or not he would have been motivated to be forthcoming.
I'm sad.
I'm not angry as much as I'm sad because it's a sad state of affairs to me
when a man can be put on trial for his life and this is the evidence against him.
5 minutesNot a single video, not a single eyewitness, nothing.
Not a single piece of actual electronic evidence, just photographs of text messages.
I could send myself text messages left and right right now from different devices. I could log in under my wife's account and send myself text messages.
Oh, Baron, you're the most amazing husband in the history of the world.
Oh, you think so, honey? I do. You're so perfect. I love the way you load the dishwasher.
I love the way you make the bed.
I love the way you load the clothes washer and dryer. I love the way you follow the clothes and you don't leave clothes in the washer. You get them
right into the dryer and as soon as they come out of the dryer, you fold them right up. Oh, I love that about you, honey. And you're so romantic. You say the sweetest things. Oh, honey, do you
mean that? Yes, I mean that. I could type all that up right now. You know where it would go? to every device logged in under her name. It would go to
her phone. It would go to every computer she go to her laptop because it's also logged in. I could just do it from her laptop.
You wouldn't even have to log in myself.
And anybody who took a picture of her phone or mine would see those text messages from her to me. And anyone who knows me knows it's all BS.
Every word of it. It sucks.
I mean, I know how to turn the dishwasher on. I've done it. I know how to operate the clothes washer and dryer. I've done it.
I've made a bed.
But I don't think anybody would accuse I don't think my wife would ever sit there and fawn all over me for doing all those things so well all the time.
But I could make her say it and I could put it on her phone and mine using any laptop I have in the world.
I could put it on her phone and I could take pictures of it and I could show everyone. Here's the evidence, ladies and gentlemen. This is the evidence
that my that I do all this stuff all the time. My poor wife wouldn't lie, would she? Well, the reality is no, she
wouldn't. which is why I don't have those messages on my phone. But I could put them there.
I could put them there in five minutes.
I could do it over the course of the whole day and night without her even knowing unless she opened it up and looked and thought, "I didn't say all this stuff. What's going on here?"
And if she did open it up and look at that and say, "There's a problem here.
What's happening? Someone's hacked me." Now take it one step further.
Let's say I wanted to frame her for a crime. I would I don't. But let's say I did. It's the same process.
And unless she opens her phone and looks, she would not know I'm framing her for a crime. And anyone who took a picture of her text messages or mine would see that she has confessed to all
these actions over the course of the day. I could put her anywhere. I could have her say anything. If all you're going to do is take a picture of my phone.
Let's say I did discover that. I I I was in the midst of it and I look and I I go to text or something. I think, "Oh my gosh." Or she is rather. And she goes, "My
husband's framing me for a crime." And then she realizes she was at the scene of the crime. Well, she might start getting a little worried.
Might want to turn herself in, try to clear her name. Oh, I didn't do this.
might go to her parents and say Baron's crazy. He's framing me for crime. Were you at the Were you at the scene?
Well, yeah, I was there, but I wasn't. I didn't do it. All right. Well, let's get you turned in. We got a family friend we can call and he'll he'll get it all
worked out. Do whatever they say. We'll get a lawyer probably tell you to remain silent. We'll get it worked out. I don't
know what happened, but here's what I do know.
Nothing that has happened in this preliminary hearing yet convinces me,
even enough that it should go to trial, much less that he actually did it. I've seen no mountains of evidence. None. No mountains of evidence.
That is a damn shame. That is a crying shame. If you've got this guy dead to rights, why is your case looking like this at a preliminary hearing?
Do you expect to get a conviction with this nonsense? You don't think his lawyers are capable enough to do what I did and more in two hours and , nine minutes.
Come on.
Come on. And for all you, Last thing I'll say, for all you fed sloppers out there who are buying this, demand better. Demand be have some respect. Have some respect.
Is it possible Tyler Robinson planned and executed this? Sure. Have I seen evidence of that yet? No.
No. I've not I've not seen convictable evidence and I've certainly not seen uh enough to even send it to trial yet.
And I don't think an 1102 recorded statement from Lance Twigs just
saying yes, yes, yes, yes, yes to leading questions from a government employee and text messages that absolutely
anybody could create. Just pictures of text messages. I don't think that's enough of you.
I don't think that's enough of you.
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Lance Twiggs TESTIMONY Drops in Charlie Kirk Case! Andrew Kolvet FLIPS on LONE WOLF Narrative!
Zach Costello
Streamed live 6 hours ago

Lance Twiggs testimony against Tyler Robinson was published in court and submitted as evidence. We analyze! Also, Andrew Kolvet starts to flip on lone wolf narrative!?



Transcript

What's up everyone? Welcome to the Zack Costello Show. Surprised you guys got going a little earlier today than I had
scheduled. Uh it looks like the Tyler Robinson uh preliminary hearing is they're on lunch right now. So they've got a break.
So I want to, you know, squeeze in my live show hopefully before they get started. I'm looking forward to them
coming back here. It looks like uh the defense team will hopefully be cross-examining
Brian Davis and talking about the Lance Twigs uh video testimony that was just shared. And uh we're going to get into
that today. I mean, whoa, whoa. That's what the thumbnail says.
Uh we have that Lance Twigs testimony, which is the video. Of course, Lance Twigs was not there in person. Um he is
hopefully going to be in person once the actual trial begins. Um but that video testimony of his finally dropped and
after a long back and forth between the prosecution and the defense team, that's really what the past, I don't know, 24
hours has been about. They've been going back and forth uh arguing about what should and should not be included, made
public, and uh yeah, it's been a it's been a pretty long and drawn out process trying to figure out what they were
going to release here. Uh Erica Kirk and the Kirk family, they issued a motion
saying that all of it, the entire testimony of Lance Twig should be made public. And I think that's interesting for reasons that I'm going to describe
to you here. Because before you guys think that some noble request for free speech and transparency as it kind of
makes it seem like they're trying to do, it's important for you guys to understand why the defense team didn't
want the entire testimony, this video testimony of Lance Twigs played or made public. What's very important about this
is that you guys understand that the very reason they did not want certain portions of this testimony from Twigs
shown is because it contains the questioner officer McBride pushing an agenda on
Twigs asking questions and Twigs just responding with mhm or yes. It's almost like a guided questioning by McBride.
And there are examples of that which I'm going to show you here in a second.
The defense also stated that the prosecution will use this testimony from
Twigs as a confession by Tyler Robinson for the murder of Charlie Kirk, which
the defense rejects. And I think that part is extremely important.
What the defense team is doing is they are rejecting that Tyler Robinson actually confessed to killing Charlie Kirk.
They are rejecting that Tyler Robinson confessed to killing Charlie Kirk. Tyler
Robinson may have confessed that it was him at UVU that day or that maybe he was
even the individual in the photo or that maybe even he was involved. But that is different than actually confessing
to pulling the trigger or actually being the one that murdered Charlie Kirk.
Those are two very those are two different things and that's a very important uh
uh dis uh distinguishing fact I guess you can say.
You've heard it said many times that Tyler Robinson confessed to his parents that he killed Charlie Kirk. And nothing
we have seen thus far suggests that to be true. Like I said, confessing that he was there, confessing that he was part
of it is not the same thing as confessing to the murder. And here's what it comes down to. The only piece of
evidence that supports this entire lone wolf narrative is this that comes from Lance Twigs.
And this is what we're really going to take a look at today in these key moments that I have for you.
After all of this, the agreed upon portion of the video testimony from Lance Twigs was played.
And we're going to go through, like I said, those key moments. And I'm going to bring to you some blatant contradictions from Lance Twig's testimony. And also, I'm going to give
you just my opinion and what my intuition uh is telling me about uh this Lance
Twigs after seeing all of this. First though, first in a shocking turn of events, and speaking of Lance Twigs,
Andrew Kovette seems to have perhaps flipped on the lone wolf narrative.
He issued a post that shocked the world, confused the world, and we're going to start with that. Let's take a look at
what Andrew Kovette issued on his Tik Tok. feel like I've been dealing with so many uh crazy accusations either level
at Erica or myself or the organization or whatever anything except for Tyler Robinson in this process that I haven't
gotten a chance to articulate clearly what questions I still have uh outstanding that I want answers to. So
here we go. Who knew what when. That's right. There is a lot of indication online that other people knew something
was going to happen that day on September 10th. They posted on social media about it in really really creepy ways and none of those people have been held accountable and I want to know why
and what did they know and when. Another question I want to know the answer to is was Lance Twigs more involved than we
currently know. Right? We know that he's been given limited immunity for his testimony. It's going to be video
testimony in the preliminary hearing, but how much did he know and how much did he radicalize Tyler Robinson? It
seems, and I encourage everybody to go check it out, there's a Turkey tom YouTube video where one of their friends that would hang out with them in their apartment seems to indicate that it was
a really manic, disassociative, sort of morally corrupt bankrupt environment
that Tyler Robinson was living in. And Lance Twig seems to be the source for a lot of that. So, did Tyler Robinson just
do this crazy thing all on his own, or did Lance Twix put him up to it? Was he a co-conspirator? I want to know that cuz if it comes out that he was a
co-conspirator, I would love to see him held accountable for that and not be granted any immunity whatsoever. Another
So, now that the Lance Twigs testimony has come out, it's interesting to to watch this in context. But just a couple
things because I know many of you all here you you watch and you follow Baron Coleman as well. It's interesting to
hear Andrew Kovette talk about the turkey tom video. Baron has done a whole thing on the Turkey Tom video basically
suggesting proving in my opinion that this Turkey Tom character or whoever this was that you
know took all these pictures of of uh the journals that were in the rooms and everything is some sort of fed? Like
what type of person just goes around their friend's apartment and just flashes pictures of all of their personal items, their personal journals,
etc. Right? So, and and what's actually funny is that the way that Lance Twigs comes off in this interview and what he
does in response to Tyler Robinson allegedly texting him, he behaves a lot
like the individual in this Turkey Tom video. He behaves a lot like a Fed. He behaves a lot like a fed. And you're
going to see throughout this uh Lance Twig's testimony, he almost he tries to make it seem like he doesn't know Tyler Robinson that
well, which is really interesting. We're going to get to that, but let's let Andrew continue here.
Question I have is where did Tyler Robinson go immediately after taking the shot, running off the rooftop, and tossing the gun into the forest? Where
did he go? We know that the state has evidence that he was back on campus that night into the wee hours of September
11th, but where did he go immediately after? And the state's evidence that they shared, which Andrew doesn't mention there, is that the video that
the state shared is of the Dodge Challenger rolling up into a neighborhood on Ring doorbell footage,
which you can hardly see. And the eyewitness testimony from the homeowner at that location is that the vehicle was
9 minutesbeing driven by a bald man and there were three other people in the car.
That's a big question. One of the questions that is really tough for me is why were those darn rooftops so accessible. First of all, why set up a
building where you can just like go over a railing and get on a rooftop? That's one question. Why were there not cops planted out there? That's another
question. And why were there not people spotting those rooftops? Now, you might say, "Well, gee, Andrew, Turning Point had its own security." Well, guess what?
The way you work with campuses is you only get to have immediate vicinity uh jurisdiction around the person that you're protecting. So I don't know what
the exact distance was, but it's essentially like let's say 30 ft around Charlie's perimeter was what our personal private security was able to
take care of. So we were relying on campus PD to monitor the ingress egress to the area and the rooftops. Surely
Andrew is not suggesting that the UVU campus police or Utah police had
anything to to do with not guarding the rooftop. Surely he's not saying that.
Sure. Surely Andrew isn't now questioning the lone wolf narrative as to whether Tyler Robinson was working
alone that day at UVU on campus, whether Lance Twigs influenced them, who who Lance Twigs might have been influenced by or working for.
Surely Andrew is not suggesting a a larger operation or plot that might have taken place that day.
I want to know why were they so accessible? And I know that I take a bunch of crap for this, but I want to know more about the the rounds, the
ammunition, the 306 rounds. I know that the comments are going to be filled with it was not a 3006, blah blah blah. Well, the ATF report confirms that the medical
examiner confirms that it was. So, I know that won't be enough for anybody uh or at least a lot of people, but bear
with me. Let's assume it was a 306. That is a powerful round. How old were the rounds? Were they hollow tip? Were they full metal jacket? I want to know
everything. The point is that they broke into a bunch of different pieces inside Charlie. And that's partly the explanation, but I would love to know
more information about that myself. And finally, was there a larger network? We hear about, you know, armed queers of
SLC. They took down a bunch of their social media immediately after. I want to know, was there money? Was there outside sources? Were there more people that were involved in planning this?
still have a lot of questions. Um thankfully we're getting a lot of answers too in the preliminary hearing and I hope more come out.
Well well well wow.
Oh my. Like okay. Andrew Kovette is questioning the lone wolf narrative whether there was broader involvement
whether Tyler Robinson was influenced by outsiders. Who else might have been involved that day at UVU?
He's questioning the round. He's questioning the 30 six you guys.
Andrew Andrew Kovette, he's one step away. He is one step away. All he's got to do if he just moves to the neck
wound, if he just moves to the no exit wound of the neck wound, then bada bing bada boom, Andrew Kovette is on team Candace Owens.
We'll be talking to John Bray like like he'll be talking to John Bray about the exploding mic. Like oh my goodness like Andrew Kovette is this close. He's this close.
Unless it's just PR spin. Now unless it's just PR spin because they've seen
the evidence presented. They've seen all of the video footage that's edited and clipped up. They've seen the
interactions with the individual and the different cars driving around. They've seen the they've they've they've been
revealed that the homeowner saw a bald man driving the car and three other people inside of it.
We've got different backpacks. We've got potentially different Dodge Challengers.
All of this has come out from the evidence that that has been presented by the prosecution.
So, this is PR spin. They're getting ahead of Well, we've always we've always
had questions as to who influenced Tyler Robinson's, as to Lance Twig's involvement in this, as to well, we always questioned the 306. We were
never, you know, we were never really sure, right? H
it's what I believe to be PR spin is what we just saw right there because and I think it's telling it's telling
because of everything that I just explained the evidence being presented this whole overwhelming
mountain of evidence against Tyler Robinson against The lone wolf Tyler Robinson
is really just a small lump of [ __ ] I mean, that's that's pretty much where we are at this point.
Excuse my language. Excuse my language.
But all this has gotten me pretty hot today because you've got people like Andrew Kovette. You've got people like Brandon Tatum, Donald Trump Jr.
who sit in the courtroom and and then they come out and they're like, "Oh, being in the courtroom, you
it makes it so obvious that this is Tyler Robinson." Like, like being there physically is what is the most convincing part.
It's like, "Hey guys, do you understand that all of this is being live streamed and we can all see what you're seeing as well? We all see it
and we're all able to analyze it and we're all able to recall and play it off the things that
we've been paying attention to for a long time regarding this case. And for them to come out and be like, "Oh, everything that we're seeing here
because we're in the courtroom makes it seem like Tyler Robinson's more guilty." It's like, "What are you guys
looking at?" Donald Trump Jr. Oh, the being in there makes this an open and shut case. Like
being in there makes any difference at all. What are you talking about?
16 minutesEverything that I've seen, everything that I have seen so far
actually removes any any doubt in my mind that this is was was a more
coordinated planned event executed by more than just Tyler Robinson. I I'm I'm
at the point where I feel like it is obvious. I'm at the point where I believe that the lone wolf narrative
that Tyler Robinson carried this out on his own is completely bunk. It's done.
It's done. And if you believe in the lone wolf narrative, I I I love you as a human being, but I don't respect your intelligence.
I think less of your opinion and your intelligence if you believe in the lone wolf narrative at this point.
Like you must have your head so far up.
I don't even know what that you can't see the light of day and what's actually going on in reality. I'm I I'm I'm
afraid for you if you continue to believe this lone wolf narrative at this point.
Let's now get into the key moments here from Lance Twig's testimony. Okay. And we've identified some contradictions
here that I'm going to take you through. All right. So, this is the part of the testimony where McBride is is having him
begin to describe the events that began on September 10th. Let's let it go for a minute or two.
September 10th. Um, did he spend spend the night in the apartment the night of September 9th into September 10th?
Yeah, he did. Yes.
Do you know when he left the apartment on September 10th?
18 minutesUm, I don't know an exact time. I just know he left early. Uh, I heard him leaving and he just said he had a like a
long drive to work that day, so he was leaving early.
Yeah. so early. Um, any guess as to what um when that was?
Uh, I don't know. I would have thought it was 5:00 a.m. because that's when like an early work day was for him, but it was probably more like 4. Okay.
I'm going have him spit out his gum just to make sure that I can do that. Right in front of your laptop. Finally made him.
One of the things that you guys are are going to see here is that what he told McBride previously to this is that he
and Tyler stayed in separate rooms. They slept in separate rooms. They did not share a room.
Which I find interesting because as you're about to see in some of these text messages, they said, "I love you, mwah. Mwah. I love you. I love you, my
love." Many times. and and and you know, I I certainly don't condone
Lance Twigs and Tyler Robinson sharing a bedroom. I'm I'm against that in many ways.
But if you're on terms where you're, you know, boyfriend and boyfriend, boyfriend and girlfriend, boyfriend and and
animal, what whatever these guys were, whatever they were, are they you're not sleeping in the same bedroom?
You're you're on I love you terms, but you're not sleeping in the same bedroom.
That's I mean, should they be sleeping in the same bedroom? Absolutely not. Like, no. I I
But but they're sleeping in separate bedrooms here. Okay. All right. Also,
I'll just note I'll just note, why is Lance Twig's voice deeper than
mine? It it it makes me feel bad. Lance Twig sounds like more of a man than me.
This is not how I expected his voice to sound.
This is not how I expected his voice to sound. I'll tell you guys that much. I It It This is not giving off the vibes
that I expected Lance Twigs to give off. Take his gum out.
He doesn't even what you guys hear in the background.
This is from the Trigger Smart. I screen recorded this from the Trigger Smart Live as you guys know I've done these last couple days. I've really enjoyed that live stream with them. And you've got Nate from Vajala. You've got Baze.
They're they're talking in the background. And I actually I could have muted it out, but I actually wanted you to hear what they have to say about Lance Twigs here. So, we'll let it go.
Even look nervous. No, he looks like an utter psychopath, dude.
It's like Michael Myers in the Rob Zombie remake of Halloween. Yeah.
So, what time did you get up on September 10th? Probably like 12 to 1:00 p.m.
You didn't have Of course. Of course he did. Of course he didn't wake up. Of course he woke up between 12 and 100 p.m. on September 10th.
The event happened at Charlie Kirk on at 12:23 p.m. Of course he slept the entire morning. Of course to work that day.
Uh, no.
And did you hear from Tyler? Did he call or text you before then?
Uh, no. He sent that message in the group chat I mentioned, but he didn't message me directly at all that day.
Whoopsies. Whoopsies.
Well, that's a problem because we'll get back to this one.
Let's pull up the text messages here really quick.
Let's pull up the text messages here real quick. So, what you guys see here are is the text the alleged text
messages that Tyler Robinson sent Lance Twigs. All right, take a look there right at the middle
section. All right, so Wednesday, they're hard to see here. I understand that. But that bottom section where you see that note, it says Wednesday 11 p.m.
This is a this is apparently an automated message that Tyler had scheduled to go to Lance Twigs according
to this testimony that says, "Drop what you're doing. Look under my keyboard."
All right, that's Wednesday at 11:00 p.m.
The problem with that is when you run right above that, Wednesday 4:33 p.m.
Tyler Robinson texts Lance Twigs, "I love you, mwah. Mwah." Lance Tigs, Lance Twigs responds, "I love you more." Mwah.
Mwah. Mwah. So that's at .
That's at . There's not other text messages besides Monday, which is more of I love you. I love you. And then
Wednesday at 4:33 p.m., which was September
10th, which is September 10th, he's texting
him, I love you, blah blah. So what Lance Twigs just said there, they they were having text messages exchanged prior to that.
11 p.m. automated text message. All right, now let's get back to the testimony.
When did you first hear from him on September 10th?
Uh, it was at 11:00 with that like automated message. 11 p.m. Yeah.
He asks you here, remember how I was engraving bullets? Was he engraving bullets before this?
Uh, yeah. I don't remember exactly when, but uh he had said he was planning to go hunting with his family. Um, and he
asked me for a if we had like a Dremel to because he said he wanted to create messages on bullets.
Um, and I just told him where Dremel was and I told him to make sure he doesn't like set off a bullet on accident in the
house. Um, but I didn't really think about it until then.
How long before um, September 10th was this that you he asked about the Dremel?
I I don't remember cuz he'd been talking about the uh hunting/camping trip for a couple months,
but I I don't remember when he was specifically asking to engrave the bullets. So So are we talking like a year before?
Oh, no. Not not that not that long. It would have been I'd say at most a month before this was when he was asking. Okay.
Okay. So, now let's bring back up the text messages because what is interesting about that is he's talking about engraving the bullets.
And what he just said there is that it he had been Tyler asked about whether he could borrow the Dremel to engrave the
bullets long before he he he mentions a month there.
long before that event on September 10th at UVU.
Tyler, let's look at this from the text messages. This is interesting because in this part of the text messages here, and we'll get to more of
these, Lance asked Tyler, "How long have you been planning this?
Where is it? Bear with me.
right here.
How long have you been planning this this message here right at the bottom?
A bit over a week, I believe. And then he said, I can get close to it, but there's a car parked right by it. He's talking about his rifle.
So again, if he had been planning this for a little over a week, but he asked for the Dremel for the engravings
at least over a month before, that's a discrepancy.
That is a that's a problem. Let's let him continue.
Right. Um, you talked about the note that he left. Um, I want to bring this up and I should say that um these text
messages that we've been looking at here are um Bates number 54.
Okay. Uh the notes have been titled 16.3 with a note
and this is base number 58. Do you recognize that that on the screen there? Yeah. Yeah.
What do you recognize it as? Um, that was the note under his keyboard that he was referring to in the first text of that chain.
So, where did you find this?
On on his desk underneath his like uh computer keyboard and
what I assume you read it. Yeah.
And then what did you do with it after you read it? Um, I believe I just put it back down on the desk after I took a picture of it.
28 minutesOkay. And again, the time you read it was probably around 11:00 or so on the 10th. Yes. The night of September 10th.
Mhm. Right.
So, Lance Twigs is told allegedly by Tyler Robinson that there was a note under his keyboard.
He read the note, which is a confession note that says that it was basically him that took out Charlie Kirk.
Lance Twigs being the goody two shoes that he is,
looks at it one time, reads it, responds to Tyler, and says, "What?"
and then takes a picture of it and then walks away and never looks at it again.
Who burned the note? Who burned it? Do we know? Do we know who burned the note?
Tyler or Lance Twigs immediately upon seeing this note decides that well I'm going to snap a picture of it. That that
that's that was his thought process there. I mean that's interesting and then he's not going to look at it again.
Actually, he never sees Tyler again that night because he just goes to sleep.
Lance Twigs just looks at the note, snaps a picture of it, has a little bit more communication with Tyler, and then
goes to sleep. Doesn't see him until the next day.
And did you ever see that again after you placed it back on his desk? Uh, no, I don't think I did. And that was a desk in his bedroom?
Yes.
And that's a separate bedroom than your bedroom. Yep.
And now I want to go to uh what's been titled 16.2.
And do you recognize this series of messages here?
Um yeah, that was the server of like his friends that I was mentioning. Okay. And this is your phone again?
Uh yeah.
Do you hear that? They're starting to look at the Discord messages. They're starting to look at the Discord messages.
This is your phone, right? Listen to this answer.
The server like his friends that I was mentioning. Okay. And this is your phone again?
Uh, yeah. Is there a question mark after that? Yeah. Uh, yeah.
This is your phone, right?
Uh yeah. And then McBride has to direct him as to how this is his phone. Listen to this.
And I'm assuming you recognize it because the big crack up at the top. Mhm. Come on.
Are any of you guys going to need help identifying your phone? This is your phone, right? Uh yeah. Well, you you
know it's your phone because it's it's cracked right here at the top, right? Yeah.
Come on.
And this this audio is blurred out because or is is redacted because the defense team wanted it redacted. And
this is exactly this this right here what we just went through.
Ultimately, I believe what the defense is claiming, what the defense is saying is that what Lance Twigs is saying, what
this testimony is, I'm not going to cuss again, is bull butter. I think that's the uh I
think that's the term used in the community now. Is bull spit.
The defense team does not believe what Lance Twigs is saying. They're not.
They're rejecting it. They're rejecting it. And that's important. And that's important because Lance Twigs's
testimony is the only testimony is the only evidence. These text messages and this testimony are the only piece of
evidence that support the lone wolf narrative.
Tyler Robinson saying or in the text messages, "Does anybody else know about this?" Tyler Robinson saying, "Not to my
knowledge." Allegedly, it gives the he gives the reason and the motive.
This is the only piece of evidence that supports the lone wolf narrative. And that goes back to why I don't believe
what the Kirk family or Erica Kirk is doing is noble.
Is noble because the pushing of this specific exhibit, the pushing of this evidence that the defense team says we
reject it. They they stated their objections to this exhibit.
They reject it. They did. They reject that Tyler Robinson confessed to the actual murder of Charlie Kerr. Like I said at the outset, confessing to
involvement, confessing to the fact that he was there is not confessing to the actual murder. And it's very important that we remember that the defense team
for Tyler Robinson is rejecting this testimony, which which means that they believe that Lance Twigs is lying.
And what I got through this entire testimony with Lance Twigs here
is that Lance is trying to portray that he doesn't know Tyler that well. Well, I think he was an electrician. I'm not
really sure. At trade school, he I we never talked about politics. We never talked about LGBTQ plus
policy. We never talked about this stuff. Did you ever talk about Charlie Kirk? Did you ever hear Tyler mention Charlie Kirk? No, I did not.
Guys, if you're boyfriend and girlfriend with someone and you're talking about how much you love each other, you're not
going to know some of this basic stuff about your partner's work. You're not going to be you're still going to be sleeping in separate rooms. You're not
going to know about what each other's values are and politics.
Yeah. I mean, we played video games. We played some like I think Tyler like this. It's like it it's almost like he's trying to portray that he was not close
with Tyler Robinson. He's trying to distance himself from Tyler Robinson.
That's what my kind of intuition and my gut is saying about what Lance Twigs is doing here.
I'm fairly convinced that after seeing this that Lance Twigs was involved.
I want you now to listen to this part of the testimony where Lance is asked to ID the individual from the tunnel and the stairwell. Listen to this.
FBI's website. Um, you can see the URL there at the top. This is some press release about this event.
Um, and here on the screen you see these there's looks like there's two rows of three images. Mhm.
Um, do you recognize the person in these images?
I wouldn't say with a 100% certainty just because of camera quality, but that looks like him in terms of the shoes he's wearing, the sunglasses.
I don't think I'd specifically seen him wearing that hat, but he was usually wearing a hat. Um, and then jeans. So it
definitely especially the bottom the last two definitely do look like him.
Well, he's not confident. But did you notice something that Lance Twigs didn't mention about this individual?
What did he mention, you guys? What did he mention? He mentioned the shoes. He mentioned the sunglasses. He mentioned the hat.
He mentioned the jeans.
Guess what? Guess what he didn't mention, you guys? The individual's effing face.
His freaking face.
Well, how about his ears? How about his chin? How about the nose?
Hello I could become Tyler Robinson,
apparently. I could go get a hat. I could go get some whatever stupid sneakers he's wearing. I could go get some blue jeans. I can go get the the Eagle shirt on. I can be Tyler Robinson.
We could all be Tyler Robinson.
I'm sorry, guys. I want to I want to say cuss words today because this is so freaking ridiculous.
I I I think it's him because of the hat.
It's not the hat he always wore, but it's a hat. Okay. All right.
Well, that must be him then. Give him the death penalty. Execute him right now.
He had the same shoes on. I think this is him. Oh my gosh.
Oh my goodness.
All right, let's finish up with some comments.

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DAY FOUR - The State Failed to Deliver What Was Promised - Ep 142
Baron Coleman
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We were told there was "a mountain of evidence" and this was "an open and shut case." The state did not deliver either at the preliminary hearing.