Charlie Kirk Murder and TPUSA Insider Gossip

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So, as long as we get Mike Mitchell's testimony, I'm all right. Let's get the rest of it. I don't care. I want to see it all.

I don't care what they hide. I don't care what they hide. Unlike the state, unlike TP USA, I'm not trying to carefully curate the facts. I want to know who killed Charlie Kirk, how and why.

And if it was Tyler Robinson, then he's a total dirt bag and deserves to go to prison for life. If he if he executed Charlie Kirk, if he planned and executed Charlie Kirk with a 36 from the Losi Center as is alleged, and we'll talk about some of the problems with that here in a minute when we switch to the evidence. But if he did it, man, put him away. And if there's evidence out there he did it, let's see it.

Stop hiding the ball. Show me the evidence. Stop showing me grainy footage. Stop weirdly clipping the stuff.

Let's see the evidence. Show me all the You're telling me he confessed to mom and dad? Put them on the stand. put him on the stand.

I want to hear from him. So, getting to today's hearing, we had Lance Twigs, but not in court because that would be

Chapter 6: Lance Twiggs Video Testimony Can't Identify Tyler 100% and Has More Major Problems

transparent. That would have given the defense an opportunity to cross-examine him. So, we we in our claim to want to be transparent, we don't really want to be transparent.

The state doesn't, surely. Instead, we want to carefully curate what you're allowed to see. But we got Lance Twigs. We got Lance Twigs.

Let me close these two. And he says, He says right here, he did not get a text from Tyler Robinson all day until Now, this may not be the loudest video I've ever played. It's as loud as I can make it. I can turn it up on this end a little bit, but I think that only goes to my ears.

And I don't know if there's closed captioning yet. Oh, yeah, there are. Here we go. So, let me show this.

Share this with you. We got Lance Twigs talking about his communications with Charlie that night. Get up on September 10th. m.

You didn't have to work. So, so Lance Twigs conveniently slept through the event. Conveniently slept through the event. m.

allegedly left the house. Lance Twigs was just snoozing. Just snoozing. m.

that day? Uh, no. And he didn't have to work that day. That's awfully convenient.

56 minutesDid you hear from Tyler? Did he call or text you before then? Uh, no. He sent that message in the group chat I mentioned, but he didn't message me directly at all that day.

Okay. When did you first hear from him on September 10th? Uh, it was at 11:00 with that like automated message. So that's his testimony under oath, under penalty of perjury.

He he was advised, and I go back and play it for you. He was advised that he had to be honest, that his deal depended on him being honest. Well, that's weird. That's weird.

Because actually, where are the tech where are the texts? Uh, Daisy, there they are. m. auto text.

Well, let's take a look and see if that's accurate. m. auto text. Drop what you're doing.

Look under my keyboard. What's that right above it? You see that right there? m.

m. m. That's his testimony. Drop what you're doing.

Look under my keyboard. m. I love you. Mwah mwah.

I love you more. Mwah mwah mwah. Notice the drop what you're doing. Look under my keyboard and the I love you mwah mwa are from the same person.

They're from Tyler Robinson. If you don't believe me, it says it right here according to this screenshot. If this is at all accurate. So we have him just bald-faced lying under oath.

And don't tell me he didn't remember. 58 minutesGuys, this is an . This is prepared testimony. This is in a controlled environment.

You don't think those text messages were in that room? You don't think the text messages were in that room? m. And Lance Twigs even responds to it and then goes and testifies.

No, no, no, no. I didn't hear from him until 11. Okay, so we're off to a bad start. That was only six minutes into the video already.

But what was not asked? Think about the questions that weren't asked that might have been asked on cross. m. m.

and you wouldn't reach out to him. You wouldn't worry about where he was. You wouldn't wonder if he's okay. This is supposedly your boyfriend.

22 years old. I mean, I've got teenagers. I know how they text. You can't ever see him.

Their face is always looking down at their phone. You don't get a text from him for What's that? 8 + 11 . You don't know where he is because he didn't really tell you where he was going.

And you don't wonder what's going on. m. text is if Lance Twigs was there, that's about the exact time he would have gotten home. That's about the exact time he would have gotten home.

It's very convenient that he slept through the event and did not hear from Tyler until about the time he would have gotten back to St. George. But did he actually know what time he left? Let's take a listen and see.

Do we can we even believe him on what time he left the house? Do we know Tyler left at 4? So again, those messages covered from September 10th to the evening of September 11th. Now September um 11th, what time did or did you see on September 11th?

Uh yes. When did you first see him? On September 11th. So this is the day after the shoot.

Yeah, I saw him when I woke up. Um like I said, he was up and around doing a lot of stuff around the house. saw him when he woke up the next day. Well, we've looked at these text messages a lot.

I don't have to pull them all up and show you, but you remember how he was like supposedly at his mom's house and I'll see you in a bit. Do you have a reason to leave your house? I I'm on my way back. You know, he stopped and got gas in Cedar City at like 7.

And so, we were trying to make a timeline in our head of and but now he's saying he saw him when he woke up the next morning. Again, this would have been nice for cross-examination. This would have been a nice opportunity to even if you just clarify, hey, we're trying to put a timeline together. Our client is on trial for his life.

Can you clarify why the text messages seem to indicate you were at your mom's house celebrating your birthday and now you're telling us you saw him when you woke up the morning after? Well, surely though, Lance, being the fact that you live with this guy, you see him every single day. You see him, if the Turkey time video to is to be believed, you see him in various states of dress up close and personal. Tell us about these pictures that we have of Tyler Robinson climbing stairs.

Tell us what you know about him. Okay. Before he came home, had you seen the press the press releases um any of the media on on this? I'd seen one Instagram like link a friend of mine had sent in our group chat, but I hadn't really looked into it at all.

2 minutesAnd uh had you seen the images that were released of the suspect? Uh I did the next day. I don't think I saw any on the temp. Okay, I'm going to stop here for a second.

We are told that Tyler Robinson, who lived with this guy, was so outraged by Charlie Kirk's mere existence on this planet that he had to eradicate it. But the guy he lived with, the guy he did it for supposedly is so oblivious to everything that's going on that when he learns that Charlie Kirk had been taken down, doesn't care enough to follow up on it. It's the biggest news story in America. Every major news station broke their coverage and joined in progress the on the ground reporting that was taking place in Utah.

It was on ABC. I like every ma NBC, CBS, Fox, all the cable news channels, every social media feed. That's all anybody was talking about that day. Go back in your mind to September 10th in the afternoon.

That is it. That's all anybody wanted to talk about. Now, I could believe that a guy like Lance Twigs might not care. But if a guy like Lance Twigs didn't care, would his boyfriend really care enough to do the deed?

Like, what? And if Lance Twigs wouldn't care, would Tyler try to remove Lance Twigs from the planet on his behalf? Because that's We'll show the text message in a minute. That's what he claims.

I did it for you, my love. Well, he didn't care. He didn't even notice it happened. He like he saw an in I might have seen it on Instagram as I was scrolling and moved on.

4 minutesIf it is true, there's no stupider person on the planet right now who feels dumber than Tyler Robinson because Tyler Robinson supposedly did this for Lance Twigs. And [clears throat] Lance could not have cared less. Could not have cared less. Now, do you believe that story?

Do you believe that in your heart of heart, Lance Twigs was the only guy on earth who did not care about the story that day? Uh but he goes on going to show you a couple of those images showing the pictures. I'm on the FBI's website. Um you can see the URL there at the top.

This is some press release about this event. Um and here on the screen you see these there's looks like there's two rows of three images. Mhm. Um, do you recognize the person in these images?

I wouldn't say it with 100% certainty. Just that's called reasonable doubt. Pack up the case. We're going home.

I wouldn't say it with 100% certainty. I'll let him finish in a second. I'm going to let him finish to put it in all context. But that statement right there is the definition of reasonable doubt.

If your own live-in boyfriend doesn't recognize you with 100% certainty, then excuse me for not believing Brandon Tatum and Jack Bobic and Andrew Kovette and Blake Nef and all the lackeyis on the other side saying this is an open and shut case because the own boyfriend cannot put him in that stairwell beyond a reasonable doubt. And these are the best pictures we got. This is the best we have. 6 minutesThere are no clearer images of Tyler Robinson or whoever's supposed to be Tyler Robinson.

There are no clearer images of this human being on the campus of Utah Valley University that day than these six pictures. " [laughter] Ladies and gentlemen, the defense rests. That's it. It's over.

I mean, you can you can show me a towel that you found in a bush. You can show me a screwdriver that you found on a roof. Well, guess what? He's not accused of throwing a screwdriver 142 yards and hitting Charlie Kirk in the head or the neck.

So, I don't care about a screwdriver. He's not accused of strangling with a towel. So, I don't care about a towel. But if you're if if your live-in boyfriend cannot immediately 100% certainly recognize you when your face is on the camera, then you cannot expect a jury to to do the same.

You cannot expect a jury to do the same. I'm going to back up a little bit and we'll do this again without my interruption. Um, do you recognize the person in these images? I wouldn't say with a 100% certainty just because of camera quality, but that looks like him in terms of the shoes he's wearing, the sunglasses.

I don't think I'd specifically seen him wearing that hat, but he was usually wearing a hat. Um, and then jeans. So, Well, he's got sunglasses on and a hat. I've never seen him wear that hat, but he does have a hat on.

And he usually wore a hat, you know, and he had an affinity for jeans. And he's got he he owns a pair of Converse Chucks. So, yeah, you know, it kind of looks like him, but I can't say for sure. What I mean, imagine this case without Don Jr.

sitting in the front row. Imagine this case without Jeffrey Nyman getting up there and whining every on behalf of Erica Kirk. Imagine this case without Erica Kirk crying and shaking in the pews as Billy Webb reported. Imagine this case without the national media attention.

Imagine this is just some guy named Chuck. Chuck Smith and he was killed in a dark alley and you've got these six images of the guy who supposedly did it. " He's like, "I don't know. I mean, he likes jeans.

I've never seen him in that hat, but you know, he likes hats. You know, he wears a lot of hats. Now, I've never seen that hat, but he does wear hats. Uh, and he, you know, he wears sunglasses.

He's a sunglass guy. Uh, and, uh, yeah, I mean, Chuck Taylor, you know who else wears Chuck Taylor and jeans and sunglasses and hats like everyone else on the planet? Every other 22-year-old kid in Utah. almost everybody.

It This is what you would expect from Lance Twigs if it wasn't Tyler Robinson in the stairwell, but it was somebody who was dressed like Tyler Robinson in order to frame Tyler Robinson. This is what you would expect to hear from Lance Twigs. You would expect him to say, "I doesn't doesn't really I mean can't say 100% it's him, but I mean that he wears hat and sunglasses. I've never seen that hat.

He does wear hats though and sunglasses and he he owns jeans and he owns shoes. It definitely especially the bottom the last two definitely do look like him. This is why he should have testified in court. Where where do you see Lance Twigs on this screen right here?

You see him up there in the little bitty corner up there. You might have lost him. He's this top right square on this Zoom call up here. And you can see down here there's two other people on this call who are not visible.

And you have no idea who else is in that room or where they're positioned. You have no idea what they're doing. You don't know that there's not somebody standing off camera going, "Yes, that's him. That's him.

Because in a courtroom, that crap wouldn't fly. He'd have been stuck with the I don't know. He wears jeans. He's got shoes on.

I've seen him in a lot of hats. Not that hat, but I've seen him in a lot of hats. So, yeah, I guess so. I'm not 100% sure.

Oh. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But that the last the last two sure they they look like it. This should have never been allowed to take place. This is a travesty. This is a travesty.

A man's life is on the line. And we've got a furry with documented mental problems testifying by Zoom. And we can't see what the hell's going on in the room. We don't have a clue who is in the room.

And his initial testimony was he did not recognize him after he had seen all six pictures. " But it kind of maybe, you know, his the jeans, the shoes, the sunglasses, the hat. Yeah, maybe he'd already seen those last two pictures when he said all that. And then something happens in the room and all of a sudden he's like, "Oh, yeah, but those last two, they look like him.

No, friends, that is not how this works. This is not justice. This is not justice. That is reasonable doubt.

" You're going to see this again. That's called impeachment testimony. You're going to see that again. You're not bringing in for the truth of the matter asserted.

You're not bringing it in to establish that it's not Tyler Robinson. You're bringing it in to impeach the credibility of the witness. Because when you had seen all six of these pictures initially, sir, you said you couldn't recognize him, didn't you? You said you couldn't be 100% certain, didn't you?

You commented on his jeans, didn't you? You said he had shoes on, right? You said he wore sunglasses. You said you hadn't seen that hat.

And you said you couldn't be 100% sure that that was him. That's how that will go. [laughter] I think I just read the script that they're going to read, but that's not me being brilliant. That's like any lawyer could have done that.

That's what that's going to look like if he goes in and positively identifies him from those pictures. That's what it's going to look like. And it makes you wonder, why didn't we hear from mom and dad? Was it the same problem?

Was it the exact same problem? " I don't I've never seen that hat. Doesn't really look like his build. I mean, guy looks a little I mean, you're looking at Tyler Robinson in the corner.

He's a waif. This guy looks like he can shoulder press 135 without using his legs. Seated. They're different people.

And Lance Twigs knew it instinctively. He knew it. And when he started giving the game away, something happened and he changed his mind. That something wouldn't have happened in the courtroom.

" In fact, those last two, they do kind of look they do look like him. That would not have happened in the courtroom. " Now, maybe not 100% sure is enough to go to trial. But man, would that have been devastating.

Would that have dominated if that stuck and that was the only testimony we got? That would have led every news Well, it wouldn't have because the news is bought and paid for, but it should have led every newscast. It should have led every newscast. Can't 100% certainty with 100% certainty say it's him.

Now, Chapter 7: Lance Twiggs and Tyler Robinson Texts Have Timeline and Even Bigger Problems we've got pictures of the note. Remember the note we were told that through advanced investigative techniques or advanced questioning techniques or whatever Cash Patel tells us they were able to recover the contents of this note. We never aggressive interview posture maybe we were able to recover the contents of this note. Well, we have the contents of this note.

It's right here. It's a handwritten note. This is supposedly the note that Charlie Kirk left under the keyboard telling Luna telling Lance to look under the keyboard at the auto text at . I want you to notice something about this.

You see at the top of the page here, there's a file name. And this file name starts 2025015. That means this image was generated on September 15th in JPEG format. m.

These are the This is the stuff up here. It may be too small for you to read depending on what you're looking on, but that's what it says up here. This typed text above the note in the white margin at the top. It I I'm not a computer expert, but it looks to me like this picture was taken on that day.

The picture was taken on that day, which is interesting to me because we were also told that the boyfriend Lance burned the note and we were led to believe Lance burned the note. But was that the text today? Well, let me go ahead and show you the rest of the burn note. uh Ali top files generously compiled this um composition here of of pieces here.

So we had this piece but then we also have pieces of the burnt note and you can see little writings here and there's some ash over here. Come over to this side. You can see a little bigger piece of it here. A lot of ash but there's these little it looks like a tea or something up here.

I'm not sure what all that is. [cough] [clears throat] So the question is who burned the note because we were led to believe that Lance Twigs burned the note. Lance Twigs, you know, we we talked about how absurd it was that he burned the note or received the note, took a picture of the note, burned the note. [clears throat] It was very weird.

Like, why would you take a picture of it if you're going to burn it? Either you're getting rid of evidence or you're not. You're preserving evidence or you're getting rid of evidence. Why would you burn the note?

The note being burned has a lot of conveniences for the prosecution. You can't test it for things like handwriting print. You can't you can't test for the type of ink that was used. You can't test for the fingerprints all over the paper, the DNA oils that that transfer from the palms of your hands onto the notebook page as you write the note.

[snorts] So, we have a question of where did the note come from? How did it get burned? And we were led to believe it was Lance Twigs who burned the note. Well, we learned today that we don't know who burned the note on his desk underneath his like computer keyboard.

And what you I assume you read it. Yeah. And then what did you do with it after you read it? Um I believe I just put it back down on the desk after I took a picture of it.

Okay. And again, the time you read it was probably around 11:00 or so on the 10th. Yes. The night of September 10th.

Mhm. Right. And did you ever see that again after you placed it back on his desk? Uh, no.

I don't think I did. Weird. Weird. So, he didn't burn the note.

Well, if he wasn't getting rid of the note, why'd he take a picture of it? Like, someone writes you a note, you going to take a picture of it? You You're not getting rid of the note. You still have the note.

Notes on the desk. You left it on the desk. That's your testimony. Not that I believe his testimony, but that's what you're telling us.

You're telling us you lifted up the keyboard, uh, retrieved the note, read the note, documented the note, and then walked away. What a strange series of events. Well, who burnt the note? I'm sure they're going to tell us Tyler Robinson burnt the note, but who burnt the note?

And why did you take a picture of the note if you didn't plan to burn the note? you had the note. Why do you need a picture of the note? Doesn't make sense to me.

The whole story doesn't add up. And if we're talk now, we introduce this September 15th date at the top. 20 minutesWe're not sure what that means. But if that September 15th date is when the note was photographed, then the note persisted for at least 5 days.

Well, Tyler Robinson was in jail on September. So, who burnt the note? Who burnt the note? You would think in a probable cause hearing we might want to learn the answer to that.

But you would be surprised because we did not get a answer to that question. Now, let me go to the text messages and just sort of roll through some of these text messages because we have a series of strange, I would say, inconsistencies at best that pop out as we look over these text messages. m. And now we're seeing right here.

m. And it's not like this is going to be a surprise. This was available to the state. This was in the state's possession.

This was still on Lance Twigs's phone supposedly. He could have scrolled back and looked and refreshed his recollection. So, we know right there out of the gate, he's already been at least inconsistent or not correct in his testimony. m.

Drop what you're doing. Look under my keyboard. Oh, let me go back to actually let me do one more thing real quick. 0 student.

We're told he was in the top 1% on his ACT score. I looked that up. That's a 35 or a 36 out of 36. That's a near-perfect score.

To be in the top 1% nationally, that's a near-perfect score. To get a near-perfect score, you got to know things like math and science, but you also have to know English, and you have to know it pretty well. Basic rules of grammar should come easy to you. 0 in in high school, then you would think you had taken some sort of English class, some sort of grammar class.

0 student who aced the ACT. If you're reading this per my text, then I am so sorry. Period. All so far so good.

So far so good. I left the house this morning on a mission. And set an auto text. Wait a minute.

That's that's a dependent clause. We don't need a comma there. That's called a comma splice. You just sprinkled in a comma like pepper for no reason.

0 student with a near-perfect ACT score. I am likely dead, or facing a lengthy prison sentence. Again, no need for the comma there. I have a hard time believing he scored in the top 1% of the ACT just a few years ago if he doesn't know the basics of the English language.

I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I took it. That's a proper use of the comma there. But you didn't need the comma. You didn't need and I or you could have just you didn't need the word I.

You could have said I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Cook and took it and then you don't need a comma. I don't know if I had if I will have succeeded. So when you do a slash you have to apply each word to the next word. I don't know if I will succeeded.

I don't know if I have succeeded. But I'd hope to make it home to you. So he has the basic English proficiency of like a fifth grader, maybe a sixth grader. This perfect student who got a full scholarship to one of the big universities there in Utah.

It either says that the school system in Utah sucks, which I've refused to believe, or perhaps this could have been written by someone else. But let me go back to the text messages. Let me go back to the text messages here. Are do these sound consistent with what we learned today?

Drop what you're doing. Look under my keyboard. What? You're joking, right?

Uh, blank. I tried to delete that. In other words, he set an an auto text when he left the house, but at some point during the day, he decided he did not want to send the auto text, and he thought he deleted it, but apparently he didn't. That's what that's trying to convey to to the to the listening public.

That's what they want us to believe by showing us this. Oh gosh. Okay, here's the next one. I'm still okay, my love, but I'm stuck in Orum for a little while longer yet.

Did Did he ever say he was in ORM? Like, if you're reading this just not knowing what's going on, does he say he's in Orum? He said he had an opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and took it. " No, he never did.

This is the first introduction to the fact that he's an Orum. But he says it as if Lance already knows he's an orum. Shouldn't be long until I can come home, but I got to grab my rifle still. To be honest, I'd hope to keep this secret till I died of old age.

I'm sorry to involve you. He's talking as if Lance knows he has a rifle. " It just says he has an opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I took it. There was no mention of a rifle.

And there was no mention in the note that he was going to do it himself. There was no confession that I am the one who took his life. That confession was not in the note. Nor will you find out that the confession is in the text messages.

I'll give you an alternative explanation in a second. You weren't the one who did it, right? I am. Sorry.

That's the closest you can get to. Did it. But what is it? That's why I don't like pronouns.

They're not specific. They're subject to confusion. Did what? Did it.

You're not the one I'll give you some different it. You're not the one who was involved in a plan with other people, were you? I am. You're not the one who who drove the getaway car, are you?

I am. You're not the one who supplied the rifle that took his life, are you? I am. I mean, it could have been anything.

It could be anything here. You're talking about taking a man's life. You better be dogone certain you know what it means. I thought they caught the person.

No, they grabbed some crazy old dude, then interrogated someone in similar clothing. I had planned to grab my rifle from a drop point earlier, short uh shortly after, but most of that side of town got locked down. It's quiet, almost enough to get out, but there's one vehicle lingering. I want to go back to the timeline here.

This conversation started at 11. Where do we know about where Tyler Robinson was at 11? Well, the Penguin steakhouse said he was there at , which means at , he'd have been an hour and a half away from Panguage. At the at the earliest, it's a 3-hour drive from Panguage to Orum.

Maybe 2:40 if you're cooking. " [clears throat and cough] He would have been somewhere between Pangu and Orum. He'd have been, you know, half full of ribeye and vegetables and baked potato. You know that kind of weird sick feeling you get when you eat out?

You kind of got to unbuckle the top button of your your jeans. You got to sit you got to lean your seat back in your truck a little bit. Oh. Oh gosh.

Ribeye, baked potato, mixed veggies. Oh, goodness gracious. You got a food baby. He's somewhere on the road here when this conversation kicks off.

But he says he's stuck in Oram for a little while longer. [clears throat] I'm stuck in Oram for a little while longer yet. Well, he couldn't have gotten to Orum before like . Not if he was in Panguish at , which is what the restaurant owner testifi well said to a reporter recently.

Diligent Dennison. And what the server said is he got there around . So that makes a lot of sense. I mean, that timeline seems to add up about to eat his steak dinner, get back on the road, go pick up the rifle in Orum.

And why would he have gone all the way to Panguish if he's just going to turn around and go back up to Orum? Why not get a steak near Orum? I mean, there's like 25 cities around Orum. Go to Provo, you stay in Orum.

I go to Provo, you go to Vineyard, you go to I go to Salt Lake City, Bountiful, fly over to go over to Hebrew City. I mean, all Park City, all these places are closer than Panguage. It doesn't make sense. And you know what else we don't have?

Like, we have that initial time stamp here at the top at 11, but you know what? On this is an iPhone. All you got to do is grab your screen and pull it to the left and you would see the time of each one of these texts and you would still be able to read the text. Wouldn't it have made more sense if we'd have gotten that so we could see how the conversation developed over time and get a better timeline of when everything happened?

Well, if Lance Twigs was in court able to be cross-examined, we could ask those questions. What time did he tell you he was stuck in Orum? " Well, that's impossible. That's impossible.

He could not have been stuck in Orum at 11:00 right after you started texting. And I'll show you something else about these texts. m. You notice there's no other timestamps.

Here's the way time stamps work on an iPhone. You can look it up. You can fact check me. If you send a text within an hour of the last text, so see this light blue one on the right and the dark blue one on the left.

If that light blue one on the right comes within an hour of the one on the left, there's no time stamp in between them. But if at least one hour, and passes, it'll get a new time stamp, which means all of these texts were part of the same conversation. All of these texts took place within an hour of each other. It was one long continuous conversation.

And since it ends talking about being home in three and a half hours and then delete this exchange and then you're all I worry about, love and don't talk to the media and all that was the night before which means we're missing some text messages because if you recall there were text messages that were in the search warrants and in the probable cause affidavit that talked about him getting home the next morning and about t about Lance Twigs being uh at his mom's house and find an excuse to come home and finding you know I'm going to tell her I'm going to do some laundry. Well, if we'd have seen the rest of those, we'd have gotten a time stamp. We'd have known whether those were in order. So, let me go back now that we got a little lay of the land.

So, these text messages kick off at some point between Orum and Panguage. Shouldn't be long until I can come home, but I got to grab my rifle still. To be honest, I'd hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age. I'm sorry to involve you.

You weren't the one who did it, right? I am. I'm sorry. I thought they caught the person.

No, they grabbed some old dude. I'd planned to grab my rifle from the drop point shortly after, but most of that side of town got locked down. It's quiet, almost enough to get out of there. But there's one vehicle lingering.

m. m. m. Why?

Why did I do it? Yeah, I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out. If I'm able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence.

Going to attempt to retrieve it again. Hopefully, they've moved on. Haven't seen anything in the news about them finding it. will update you by midnight.

But apparently he didn't know about the screwdriver. Apparently he didn't know about the screwdriver or the fact that he supposedly was seen on campus over and over and over and on video footage and still photography all over campus. I haven't seen anything in the news about finding. I will update you by midnight.

Uh oh, we got a problem, ladies and gentlemen. Uh defense, are you listening? We've got a problem. We've got a problem.

He could not have seen a vehicle lingering before midnight because he was not in town before midnight. Not if he left Panguitch at . He wasn't. Are you guys starting to see why they are so unconcerned about the Panguitch testimony?

They were so unwilling to go look up. Remember when Candace got the tip that he was in Panguage and she reached out and talked to the people and they say, "Oh yeah, we were able to confirm it by credit card receipt and then we went back and looked at the camera and it was him and then Diligent Dennis goes back in last week and the and the owner has a totally new story and the camera's been ripped out of the wall. Oh yeah, the camera was broken that night and the credit card receipt didn't have his name on it. That's a problem if he was in Penguin at .

Now, Diligent needs to preserve his conversation with them because the the restaurant owner said he was there at . So, if he's there at , how is he trying to get his rifle from the drop point and noticing a vehicle lingering before 12? I will update you by midnight. And if he's going to update him by midnight, it's a long way before midnight because you wouldn't send that at like .

Like assume he drove really fast from Panguage and he got there like . You wouldn't say, "Uh, there's one vehicle lingering. " That's away. And so all of a sudden, the Penguin steakhouse visit becomes critical to this case, becomes absolutely vital to the defense.

And it it becomes really easy to explain why nobody seemed in a hurry to go to Panguitch and interview the servers, interview the owner, get the receipt, see if they can find some video footage, go around to local restaurants in the area, go to the bank teller machines, go to all the flock cameras around and get any evidence you could find of where this guy was in Panguage at . All of a sudden, we see a total lack of interest in Panguage. And now it makes sense why. Because now we see the text in the proper context.

And we realize that can't be Tyler sending these texts. It cannot be Tyler sending these texts. Not from ORM. Not if he was in Panguitch at .

Now, if everybody's wrong and he was in Penguin at , okay, not maybe not as big of an issue, 36 minutesmaybe not as big of an issue, but we see him pull up to the scene at 12:36 on the camera. I showed it last night. It was 0636 Zulu time, - for mountain daylight time. m.

You see him pulling up to the scene. That's supposedly when he made contact with an officer right there. So he wasn't sitting outside the scene watching an officer linger and see if he would leave. So we have a real timeline issue.

You know what a timeline issue is called? Reasonable doubt. We've got a live-in lover who cannot identify his live-in lover on camera despite having a full frontal facial shot. who says he's never seen that hat before.

So that's that's goes towards reasonable doubt. This is reasonable doubt. If you can put Tyler in in Pangu, Utah at , this is not Tyler. This is not Tyler sending these texts or he's lying.

I guess you could say that he's lying, but either way, he's not sitting there outside waiting for a car to linger. All right, stay safe. How long have you been planning this? Huh?

That's a that's a kind of a weird transition if we're being honest. All right, stay safe. How long you been planning this? [laughter] It's almost as if somebody's like, "Hey, wait a minute.

We don't have everything we need here. We don't have first-degree capital murder here. Uh, we've got to get uh motive and opportunity and intent. " A bit over a week, I believe.

I can get close to it, but there's a squad car parked right by it. Uh, something spot, but I don't want to chance it. While they were parked there, if they had found it, I imagine there would be more commotion. Again, I'm sorry for roping you into all this.

You shouldn't have to worry about this. If there's a squad car parked in that area, if there's a squad car parked right next to where you ditch the gun, what makes you think they didn't find the gun? And you know, we talked about this a week or two ago. Daisy found some really good information on this.

m. that night. " This is around the little area where they found the gun. You would think if they found the gun around 5, six o'clock at night.

Maybe you leave the crime tape up. I mean, they left the crime tape up in on the Utah Valley University campus for like a week, maybe longer than that. I mean, it was a long time there was crime tape up where you were not allowed to walk in that little area where Charlie Kirk got shot. But the place they find the gun, they take the crime scene tape down six hours later.

Well, you know, they didn't intend to leave the crime tape down because we have Getty images from the next morning with with long shadows, morning sun, where they're putting crime tape back up. It's almost as if they knew Tyler Robinson was on the way back and we had to get the crime tape down so he would come back to the scene and then after he comes to the scene and we get him on camera and then we put the crime tape back up the next morning because we actually do want to preserve the scene. We do want to get see if there's any other evidence there. Sorry for roping you into all this.

Shouldn't have to worry about this. Does anyone else know? Not to my knowledge. It's going to be real blanking annoying if I can't get this thing till like , then have to drive back and still go into work.

Indicating he's not going to leave without it. You're sure they aren't waiting to see if anyone comes to collect the gun? I've gotten close enough that they would have jumped me if they were waiting, and they would have probably be more concerned with pulling prints off of it. ago, there was an officer with a canine walking nearby the area, hoping that pooch has a bad sniffer.

Oh, we got a problem with the Penguin story. Oh, we got a problem with the Penguin story. If Tyler Robinson was in Penguin eating dinner, I don't care if he was leaving there at 8:45 or , he would not have known there was a K-9 walking nearby the area ago because this text has to be before . There's no timeline in which Tyler Robinson, if this is Tyler Robinson, sends these texts, also ate a steak dinner in Panguage at Cowboy Steakhouse.

And the owner and the servers think he was there. 41 minutesSo, we got a problem on our hands. We've got a real timeline problem on her. Now you start to think, was Tyler Robinson real?

Was he really a psy? Like, was he did he really not know any of these texts were being sent back and forth? Was someone planting these texts in his phone? I'm wishing I'd circled back and grabbed it as soon as I got to my vehicle, but it sounds like the police couldn't get in for a long while because of the traffic.

Needless to say, I'm going to be late coming home. My bee, my bee, just stay safe. I will. I'm more worried about what my old man would do if I didn't bring back grandpa's rifle.

There's something I'm about to show you that leads me to believe Tyler Robinson didn't write these at all. And I might know who did based on an accent from one of the people who testified this week. 42 minutesI'll get to that. Because now they're going to talk about the rifle because we've got to pin the rifle on Tyler Robinson.

We have not yet had a full confession of what type of rifle it is or whose rifle it is. You know, we got a situation where you can say, "That's not my gun. " No, we have to we have to pin him to the rifle. We got to connect him to the rifle.

So, they go back to work. We got to create a rifle story. I'm more worried what my old man would do if I didn't bring back grandpa's rifle. Okay, now we know whose rifle it is.

That's far scarier than any fed NGL. Not going to lie. Guess I'm just sitting in my car watching reels for another hour hoping this guy blanks off. Boy, I wish I knew what time that was sent.

Wish I knew what time that was sent because the Ring doorbell camera footage, the Nest doorbell camera footage that was supplied by the Noble family, that car was only there for . And remember her testimony, Mrs. Noble, her testimony or her written statement was that it wasn't Tyler Robinson driving the car, it was a bald man driving the car. And that it wasn't a bald man in the car alone or Tyler Robinson in the car alone.

There were three passengers in the car. There were four total people in the car according to Miss Noble. And remember, the prosecution didn't want you to know that. They didn't bring that out on direct examination.

That had to come out on cross-examination. If I'm a juror or I'm a judge looking for probable cause and I'm wondering, is this a setup? I'm looking for evidence the prosecution is hiding things from me. That is a clear sign they were hiding things from me.

Let's bring in Miss Noble and clear this up. Why do you think you saw four people? Miss Noble, are you okay still? Yes.

Checking the spot again now. We'll update soon. The squad car was moved further away enough that I should be able to move in. I backed off cuz I thought I'd heard footsteps.

Maybe a foot patrol. But the crickets here are so blanking loud. Got to see if the road closer to campus is open so I can drive past and check this doodoo out. Probably still closed off though.

Getting worried. Hard to know for sure, but I'm not finding my rifle. Could be in the wrong spot. Do you think they found it?

Don't know. They haven't published anything if they have. Why did you leave it behind? Oh, good question.

A good question. Uh why did uh why did you leave it behind originally? Also, does it have a serial number? I mean, it's not enough that you called it grandpa's num thing.

We got We, you know, it's almost like somebody's looking over the shoulder and going, "You so like grandpa's rifle? " You didn't get a description. You didn't ask what caliber it was. Does it have a ask him for the serial number?

I serial numbers 9451. I don't even know if it had a serial number, but I knew it. But it wouldn't trace to me. I worry about prints.

I had to leave it in a bush where they changed outfits. Didn't have the ability or time to bring with HM and you're back at the bush. And you're back at the bush. Yes.

Check internet. See if they found it. I don't see anything about it being found, but I don't know why they would release that info right away. All of a sudden, Lance Twigs is Detective Twigs.

He's he's a seasoned officer. Lance Twigs. He wears a fedora. He smokes a pipe.

Detective Twigs. You can hear uh uh you can hear uh uh I don't know, jazz music playing when he comes in the room. Kicks his feet up. He's got a female assistant he calls a broad.

Come here, sugar. I don't know why they would release that information. All my years of experience looking into crimes. Uh, I might have to abandon it and hope they don't find Prince.

How the blank will I explain losing that to old my old man? I don't know. Could you feasibly say it was stolen? I don't even know.

Uh, I don't really know how you would blah blah blah. Uh, was your change of clothes there or was that also gone or did you bring those with you originally? Any way you could replace the gun or did what he noticed? What?

All of a sudden, Lance is worried about his underwear. Like, you didn't lose the jeans, did you? Those were good jeans. I sometimes wore those jeans being as we're roughly the same size in stature.

Being that we kind of look just alike. You didn't lose the jeans, did you? Only thing I left was the rifle wrapped in a towel. I bet that canine sniffed it out.

Little snitching bastard. Replace is unlikely. I don't fully know what the gun was because it was old as dudu and Gramps did some modifying. There was a fourdigit serial on it.

God only knows who it's registered to. Hopefully some dead guy who gave it to grandpa. Okay, now you know it's got a four-digit serial number on it. Um I don't even know if it had a serial number, but it wouldn't trace to me.

There was a fourdigit serial on it. I don't even know if it had a serial number, but it wouldn't trace to me. Yeah, there was a four-digit serial on it. All of a sudden, he's an expert in this mouser.

He knows the modifications. He knows the serial number length. He didn't know that just a few minutes ago. Now, a few minutes ago, I don't even know it has a serial number, but it had a four-digit serial number.

That just dawned on me in the midst of this text conversation that only one person is writing, me, Tyler Robinson. Hopefully, some dead guy who gave it to grandpa. Oh, the dead guy's taking the fall. Oh, and then remember how I was engraving bullets?

I mean, does this flow at all in the conversation? I don't even know whose gun it is. I'm worried about it. Hey, you remember how I was engraving bullets?

What? The blanking messages are mostly a big meme. If I see notices bulge on Fox News, I might have a stroke. All right, I'm going to have to leave it.

That really blanking sucks. My old man has a doodoo memory and doesn't shoot his shoot all his guns often. I'll act like I have it for a year or three and then act confused. When he asked for it, I'll say I left it with him at camp out or some other more likely excuse.

I mean that turn like remember how he's engraving bullet. All right, I'm leaving. Going to leave it. I want you to notice something here.

Do you need it for hunting? No. My dad wanted to use a higher caliber for the rifle hunt. Well, two problems with this text.

0, and who hunts and who spells caliber the way they do in Australia and New Zealand and England. I tested this on my iPhone today. If I type it that way, it switches it to er. Now, I don't know if that's for everybody.

Maybe it's cuz I've spelled caliber B er so many times my phone knows how I want to spell it. But there's two problems with this. The first problem is that's not how Americans spell caliber. That's how British people spell caliber.

Like they spell honor. H O N O U R. You Brits are weird. You spell words weirdly.

I know we stole your language. But anything you can do, we can do better. We can do it better, but it doesn't give me a lot of confidence when the lead investigator in the case has a Commonwealth accent. And this is how they spell caliber in the Commonwealth countries.

So that's problem one. I'll see you in Valhalla, New Zealand. Now this is problem number one. But problem number two is my dad wanted to use a higher caliber 51 minutesfor the rifle hunt.

Higher caliber than a 30 six. There aren't many. There aren't many. And there aren't a lot of things you're going to hunt in North America that are going to require a higher caliber.

I mean, are we hunting elephants? Are we hunting mastadons? Do you know how high of a caliber a 30 rifle is, 30 6 rifle is? Go shoot one.

Find someone that has one. Go rent some time at your local shooting club or by all means join the club. You should join a club. Buy rent some time.

Rent an hour in a stall or or or buy a year-long membership. Go tune up all your guns and and and get your hands on a 306 and go shoot it. and then reread that text message because short of like a 300 Win Mag, you're there aren't a lot of rifle rounds that are a higher caliber and I don't know that you need a higher caliber for anything that old man is hunting for. Unless he's hunting for like the I mean these these are made for moose and elks like the biggest land animals we have in North America.

This is what you shoot them with. bears, you'll shoot him with a 306. What is he wanting to shoot that he needs a higher caliber? And why is caliber spelled B re?

Judging from today, I'd say grandpa's gun just does fine. I think that was a $2,000 scope. On my way home, three hours drive safe. I I want to go back to because you know out of if this was the only anomaly, right?

If you read these text messages and it all makes perfect sense and there was no Penguin steakhouse and Tyler Robinson's just hanging around ORM all day by himself waiting on the gun and he you know they got him on camera and he's driving around town and you you you see a picture of him over here and you see a traffic camera picture of him over here. Oh, here he goes this way. Oh, here he goes this way. and and you realize he's never left and and then you read the text messages and he just sounds like a normal guy, you know, having a normal conversation with his normal boyfriend.

The the caliber being British spelling isn't really all that big of a deal. You say, "Well, okay, he made a typo. " But in the context of all of it, it's a massive deal because the whole time we've said these don't read like a 22year-old kid from Utah. Like people don't talk like this.

This is not how people speak and not how 22 year olds speak. Now if you got someone who's 93, maybe they speak this way. You got somebody who grew up watching Lauren Beall and Humphrey Bogart. Yeah, that's maybe how they talk to each other.

Uh my dear, they got a Mid-Atlantic accent, you know. Uh at what hour can we expect supper? Oh, my sweet love. I was just putting on the beans.

The beans will be ready. We're having beans. We We're going to have a We're going to have a a a wonderful dish. A wonderful dish.

It's going to be a It's going to be a bonanza we're going to have up here. It's going to be amazing. You're going to love it. Oh.

Well, thank you, my honey sugar pie. I sure appreciate it. I'll be here in the Baka lounger until you need me, you know, on my way home three and a half hours. Well, if he we know when that was that supposedly was sent at about , give or take.

So, all this took place between 11 and . All that takes place between 11 and . Delete this exchange. Well, that's just You just had to add one more charge, right?

Tampering with evidence. All right. I'm seeing dudu and falling whatever. I'm guessing that's him saying he's going to take a snooze on the way home.

Um, and then we're not really sure when this last one was taken because it was a little complex and confusing how they were putting stuff up on the screen. But this is this is apparently Lance over here on the right. Them or my grandparents would probably let me stay with them for a bit while I sort things out. You don't got to worry about me.

You're all I worry about. Love. That's supposedly Tyler there. No, no.

I'm much more worried about you. That's Lance. Don't talk to any media. Please don't take any interviewers to make comments.

Okay, I won't. I won't say anything. I always love you. I will always love you, too.

I will invite you as often as possible. This last piece gives you kind of an idea maybe of when he was mirandized. If any police ask you any questions, ask for a lawyer and stay silent. My lawyer should be Doug Terry.

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I'll see if he can reach out to you and make sure the police follow blah blah blah blah blah. I'm guessing that was sent on the 11th while his parents were trying to get in touch on Thursday with Doug Terry during business hours or shortly thereafter while Tyler Robinson was being turned in. If you go back to that document that formed the basis that formed the initial intrigue for whether or not Tyler Robinson was memorandized on Thursday the 11th or uh Friday the 12th, you'll recall in there he said, "I I'm hoping for a lawyer named Doug Terry. He's from here.

" But he also said his office is closed for the night. Not closed for the weekend. closed for the night. 57 minutesThis text could not have been sent on September 12th.

He was already in custody. He did not have his phone. There's no dispute. Nobody disputes that Tyler Robinson before 9 10:00 at night or somewhere around there by then he was without a doubt in custody.

He was without a doubt at Washington County Sheriff's Office. So, we know and then and then and then about midnight um the uh uh Brian Davis shows up, takes him officially into custody. So, we know by midnight he no longer had his phone. We know by midnight he didn't have his phone.

That's a worst case scenario. So, we know he sent this on the 11th. My lawyer should be Doug Terry. Boy, that nearly matches the language identically in bait stamp document 007 where he says, "I'm hoping for a lawyer named Doug Terry.

My parents are trying to get in touch with him. " Primmaacia evidence in my opinion that that exchange took place on the 11th because it's consistent with that text. He wouldn't have sent that text on the 11th and then the night of the 12th, nearly later said, "Oh, I'm hoping for a guy named Doug Terry. " No, you haven't talked to your parents since at least midnight.

You have no idea what your parents are doing right now. You've been in Utah County custody all day. m. They didn't put you in booking and then like you're immediately back on your phone.

No, it didn't work that way. You didn't know what was going on all day. So, you don't know that the the office was closed for the night. And you wouldn't say that on a Friday either.

You would say it was closed for the weekend. Close for the weekend. Lawyer most lawyers don't keep office hours on Saturday morning. I got bad news for you.

" And it goes to reasonable doubt. It makes me more confident today than I was even yesterday that Tyler Robinson is being framed. He's being framed and they're doing a good job of it because they've got all these stupid people. All these stupid people lapping it up like Albo blah blah blah blah blah blah.

I don't even know if they believe it. I don't even know if they believe it. And I got all this other stuff I want to talk about. I'm going to go through it anyway.

We're going to have a long show tonight. Hope you guys are enjoying it. Um, I'm not going to show the pictures of the rifle for a very particular reason. James Lee, Li, James Lee, excellent broadcaster, uh, excellent content creator.

James Lee got his live stream ripped down for showing a picture in this case of a rifle. So, I'm not going to risk it. And they banned him from live live streaming for . He just got a ability to stream back tonight or or this afternoon.

So, I'm not going to show the rifle. Not going to show the rifle, but I am going to show a couple of pieces of testimony about Chapter 8: Missing Fragments and Wrong Sized Fragment Not Matching Purported Weapon the trouble they had with the rounds themselves. The rounds themselves. Here is a piece.

Oh, almost pulled a baron. Here is a piece of testimony. This girl was nervous as a longtail cat in a room full of rocking chairs. You could see her voice was breaking up.

So don't judge her. Don't judge her. She's ner You could tell she's terrified. Number six.

Uh what was what is exhibit six? Exhibit six is uh the bullet fragment or sorry the bullet jet jacket fragment as well as some other fragments that were recovered from Mr. Kirk at the time of autopsy. Thank you.

Going back to page two, will you read the first full paragraph there beginning with exhibit six? Yes. Exhibit six consists of one 30 caliber class deformed damage bullet jacket fragment and four lead fragments. Will you read the next paragraph as well?

The exhibit 6A bullet frag or bullet jacket fragment could not be identified or excluded as having been fired from the exhibit one rifle based on an agreement of all discernable class characteristics and neither sufficient agreement nor sufficient disagreement of individual characteristics. The results of the comparison was inconclusive. Again, we're talking reasonable doubt here. We're talking, is the story adding up?

They just said that they had four bullet jacket bullet jacket and four bullet fragments. They tested them and they can't tell what rifle they came from. And we just read this whole long thing about all the problems with Tyler Robinson and the text messages and the timing. Could he have been where they said he was?

Why did he spell caliber that way? Who needs a rifle caliber higher than a 300 6? I've got a great clip here from our good friend, and when I say friend of the show here, I mean it in all positive ways. Um, if you've not been following the live streams, they'll do it again tomorrow.

I'm sure they've done it all four days. U, Trigger Smart, Valhalla, Baze, Danks, uh, Jesse on Fire, Mr. LetGo, these guys have all kind of gotten together and they share the stage and they pass it around. They've done a good job covering the case during the day.

Um, and they had like 25 or 30,000 people concurrent live when the Charlie Kirk show had like two. Megan Kelly had like four. These guys are killing it during the day on their coverage. But I want you to listen to Nate, a firearms expert, a sure enough firearms expert, former Green Beret.

He's the second guy here in the sort of green background backwards hat. I want you to hear him explain the problem with the rifle rounds that have been discussed. All right, guys. So conveniently, I just happen to have the exact 306 Springfield.

They're actually 150 grain rounds at my house. Look at that. There they are. Now, looking at back at this picture, I actually do think one of these rounds is a soft point round, and it looks like the other ones are FMJ rounds from what I'm looking at.

But just just so you guys understand, there's no difference here. And actually, if they're softpoint rounds, this becomes even worse because softpoint rounds are specifically designed for killing elk and moose. Right? You guys want me to actually read you the description straight from the box of what these rounds are supposed to do?

Here you go. They are designed for deep penetration and controlled expansion up to twice the diameter, the expansion of the round, which means his head would have been blown off than a typical round, right? Not only that, the height weight retention won't break up or separate for more effective stopping power. So, these rounds are designed to not break up.

We also know that Charlie had five or six fragments because the bullet broke up. And they are also designed to go through a moose, the soft points. Now, FMGS, FMJS are typically not what you're going to hunt with. You can, but they're still designed.

So, these are designed to penetrate as far as possible and expand as big as possible to blow the biggest hole possible to make the most damage possible because you're trying to get through elk, moose, giant animals, right? Also, you know, the way you can tell, and I don't want to I'm not actually going to show the whole thing because who knows? But you can see the tips of these, right? The difference is I don't know if you guys can see one's round and it's got see how one's the top is all uh brass and then the top of that one is lead.

The soft points have lead tops and they're actually designed to again expand and create massive damage as they blow through. So, uh, yeah, this is the, uh, the weapon and the rounds that Tyler used are specifically designed to kill moose and elk. So, there we go. We know it's not some accelerator round.

It's not some frangible round. It is basically the most powerful. It's a not the grain weight could be a little bit higher, but again, these are standard. This is what you're going to buy at Bass Pro Shop to go hunt live big game with.

So there you go guys. Uh don't know how we're gonna and even even my buddies who are privy to like there is a possibility that it's low grain or like shitty ammunition, bad loads, reloads. It's not grandpa's old ammunition. It's not grandpa's reloaded ammunition.

Those are brand new rounds straight out the box from Walmart. So thank you, Nick. I I don't know how anyone's going to argue anything else. You know, when when we when we first learned it was a 30 six and it did not go through the back of the neck, there was a panic.

There was a panic among the feds sloppers on the phone with the doctor. Did he have a Superman neck? Come on. Superman neck stat.

Was it instead of bones? Did he have titanium and steel? They're designed to go through an elk an elk and a moose. You see my neck?

You see that thing? 7 minutesI'm not a moose. [laughter] I'm not a moose. Not an elk.

I don't even know what an elk does. Looks like some I mean also looks like this, but I'm neither. I mean, nor was Charlie Kirk. I don't care how much spinach he ate.

You can't change reality. You can't change reality. Again, we're talking reasonable doubt. And I think honestly, Judge Graph, we're talking is it likely that this is the right story.

I tell you right now, they didn't give you all the story. The prosecution had their opportunity to put on the case and they didn't. And they didn't. Now, I want to show you the pictures of the recovered fragments.

Oh, hold on. I had a whole thing of six of them. Oh, no. This is good.

This is I want to show you the picture of the recovered fragments. These were the supposedly allegedly removed from Charlie Kurt. And you'll see there, that's what they look like. 8 minutesSo, this is um the same piece.

You can see this 25 W41 exhibit 6A uh as received. I think this is the back of the big piece and this is the front of the big piece. This is what it supposedly looked like. And they've got So that's the big piece and then there were four other small pieces.

Four other small pieces. But is that all they had? Is that all they had? Well, we don't know because if we listen to the testimony here, we got to wonder where's the rest of the bullet?

Where's the rest of the bullet? because they didn't only recover four pieces. Miss Coner, one of the one of the items you were asked to look at was, as described in your report, one bullet jacket fragment and four lead fragments, correct? Yes.

Were you informed at some point that there was a discrepancy between what you were examining and what had been documented by the medical examiner in terms of the number of bullet fragments? I was. Yes. Were you asked to see if maybe the ATF had lost certain portions of the evidence?

No, I was not. Right. Do do you think and and was it your understanding that there were originally seven bullet fragments, but you ended up with four? I was alerted that there was potentially seven fragments from the medical examiner in a photo just a few months ago.

Okay. You're clear though that when you got the evidence um it was in sealed condition, correct? It was. Yes.

And when you open What was it? An envelope. A small individual manila envelope. Yes.

And did you uh take the contents of the envelope containing the bullet and take photographs of it? I did. Yes. Okay.

10 minutesUm, so we have missing evidence. Again, you know, maybe they were small, maybe that somebody made a determination that they couldn't do much. But where are they? Where are the three other fragments?

And why don't we have them? Why don't we have them? Because if I'm the defense, I'm going to argue those three those three exonerated my client. That was the evidence that someone was just shoving stuff in his neck.

" Lose them. I mean, that's how I'm going to argue it. How do you know, Mr. Jury, that that's not what happened?

And you'll know if it's picking up with the jury because they'll start doing this. When your jury's moving, you're hitting. When they're do when they're going like this, when they're leaning in with the mouth open, you're done. Move on.

[laughter] But when they start, most jury chairs move and when they start rocking in that jury chair. Oh, keep going. You're It's like a comedian. You know you're hitting.

Run the story. Keep going. Keep talking. Now, we have knowledge of how big a 306 Remington is because I have documentation.

This is a 308 versus a 3006. Key specifications. The 308 is a shortaction cartridge. The 3006 is a long action cartridge.

They both have a bullet diameter of 308 in. Keep that in mind, please, ladies and gentlemen, as we go forward to the next piece of evidence. Keep that in mind. A 306 we are told is 3/10en of an inch30.

That's where the 30 comes from. So over here on the left, the reason they named it 3006, it was a30 in round and it was invented in 1906. 306. There was a 300 4 before that, but the 306 became kind of the gold standard.

That's what became the US military round for like five decades, six decades. So the 30 odd 6, that's where it comes from. But it's not actually 30 in. It's 308 in.

That's the diameter of a 300 6308. In other words, it's just as big a round as a 308, which is named 308 because it's 308 in. We keep the name 306 because originally it was 30. So if you have granddaddy's rifle from 1912 and it's got granddaddy's ammo from 1912, it might actually be30 in.

But if you have ammo produced in the last 50 years, it's 308 in. But Baron Baron Baron, why are you so bent out of shape on this issue? I'll tell you precisely why I'm so bent out of shape on this issue. Why can I not get that to go?

There we go. Well, I'll tell you precisely why I'm so been out of shape on this very issue. Because we have testimony on just how big around the round was. You would expect because they're telling us it's a 300 6 that the diameter of this fragment is 308 in.

That's what you would hope to see if it's a 3006. Uh pray tell madam expert. what was the diameter? Looked to see if there was individual characteristics and the land and groove impressions sufficient enough of marks and values to do a comparison process.

Now, once you have the class characteristics of a bullet, can you narrow the range of firearms that could have fired it just based on class characteristics? You can. Yes. And is caliber a class characteristic or an individual or a subclass characteristic?

It's going to be a class characteristic because a lot of firearms will have the same class or excuse me the same caliber. Um, did you measure the diameter of the bullet? Listen carefully. Did you measure the diameter of the bullet?

I did. Yes. And and did you end up with a range where it could have been certain range of length or diameter? I did.

Yes. And what what was your reading? Can I refer to my notes, please? Yes, please.

Oh, by all means. We want accuracy here. We're talking about a man's life. Uh, and by the way, we're all expecting 308.

We're told it's a 306. Uh, but but madam, please. The range of the diameter for the 6A bullet jacket fragment was. 286 to301.

Uh-oh. inches 286 to 301 which means it cannot possibly have been smaller than 286 nor can it be larger than 301. We're going to the second decimal. We're striving for accuracy.

She's an expert. She's from the government and she's here to help. Uh, anybody else see a problem? Do I need to pull the diameter of a 30 odd six back up?

I'm not going to, but do I need to? Do I need to? But I'm not going to. You guys are smart.

This is a high IQ jury. We don't We don't slow the class down for the low IQ bumblebees. No, no, no. We press ahead.

We press ahead. And so I I've got one more piece to show you here, but but I put all this together before we even get to is Tyler capable of taking this shot. We put all this together and we have to ask a question. If you're sitting on a jury, can you send this man to his death?

And if there's even part of you who goes, I don't know. It's it that is a not-uilty verdict. That's a not-uilty verdict. You don't have to be 100% certain, but you have to be almost absolutely certain.

Reasonable doubt. You're allowed no reasonable doubt. Is it reasonable doubt that the bullet jacket fragment is too small? I think it is.

Is it reasonable doubt that the text messages are all out of whack and and appear to be written by somebody else and use the British spelling of the word caliber and really doesn't make sense? Daddy needed a bigger gun than a 306. Are you kidding me? This is designed for elk and moose, but he No, that's not big enough for daddy.

He needs something bigger. Did it make sense that he was really looking around for the rifle at , whatever time that was when he's supposed to be on his way back from Panguage, if those people can be believed? Is it weird that they lost fragments of the key evidence in the case? Is it weird that they can't tie the fragments to the gun?

Is it weird that there's five people's DNA on the gun? Is it weird that there's two people, three people DNA on the screwdriver and on the trigger? Is it weird that there's multiple people's DNA on the towel? Is it weird that he has a safe at his house presumably for things just like this, but he doesn't use it.

He puts all the evidence right on top of the safe before he runs off to commit a crime. Is it weird that he says he wants to take it to his grave, but he confesses on Discord to anyone who will ever have a link for all of posterity to read? I think it is. Is it weird that they sold us for the last 10 months that mom and dad were going to testify against him and you're going to hear from his parents and you're going to be so embarrassed when his parents say he confessed to them, you guys are out of your mind.

And then we don't hear from the parents. Is it weird when he supposedly also confessed to Mike Mitchell, but they don't show us Mike Mitchell's testimony? Is it weird that Lance Twigs couldn't look at a photo of a face of the guy who lives in his house who he has seen naked and can't recognize him with 100% certainty initially? Is any of that reasonable to think maybe he didn't do it?

I think it is. I think it's absolutely reasonable for somebody to say, "I don't know, man. There's a lot here. There's a lot going on here.

" I had a good picture of the targets. Do we know where that went? Oh, here they are. You would think we have been told that Tyler Robinson is such a fantastic shot that he can disassemble a rifle into different pieces, shove it in different parts of his body, jostling around as he's walking.

I mean, I know where his car was parked. It was like 3/4 of a mile away from campus. He walks threequarters of a mile limping around jostling the rifle, jostling the 20 minutesoptic. Everything's slloshing around in his body.

He climbs stairs with it. He hangs out and then he grabs a screwdriver and justeps it back together. And then he sprints across a roof, lays down 15 to s tops to get a bead on Charlie Kirk. Take that exit breath that every shooter has to take or you're going to miss.

You can't shoot on the way in. You got to shoot on the way out. And nails the shot. Well, you would think a guy like that without all that pressure with a gun that wasn't just reassembled would be a dead eyee.

I'm going show you his targets, his practice targets that probably were inside 100 yards if I had to guess. This guy's a terrible shot. The X is right here in the middle. Everything's over here several inches away.

You come over here, it's even worse. He's got something all the way down here in the little seven ring. I mean, he's he's missing the There are several bullets that actually missed the target entirely. I don't know if you can see it on your screen, but down here, I'm looking at the target all the way to the right.

down here on the lower left. There's just a random hole through the board. Between these first two targets, there are holes in the middle of the board. He's not even on the target.

This guy sucks. Hey, uh Baron, those are uh I think those are part of the like like uh punch holes or something. Oh, the holes in the board. I think so.

The target holes are bad enough. The target holes are bad enough. They're nowhere near the X. And this is a guy when you're shooting and zeroing in.

You've got all day to sit there and dial it in. You are in no hurry on the range or in the backyard, wherever he was, you've got all day to sit there and just slowly squeeze and pull that thing. Let it shock you. Breathe out.

Let it surprise you. Nice easy squeeze. You should jump when it does it because you didn't know it was about to go off. And we're told this guy who can't even hit a target solo by himself in controlled environment with a gun that's already assembled is somehow jostling as he's walking 3/4 of a mile limping around all over town, optics moving around, barrels, you know, all down your rear end crack.

I don't know where it was. Oh, no. I was right. Those are holes.

Those were misses. Those were misses. I have a new I have a new one here. No, I was right.

Oh, it's even worse. Wait, [laughter] I should have used this one to begin with. Look at this. Look at these holes down here.

It's not even on the target. The target's up here. Those are the hole punches at the top up there. These are misses.

Guys, I'll end where I began. We were promised a mountain of evidence. Chapter 10: What Did We Learn? Reasonable Doubt is Overwhelming Thus Far The state has closed their case.

They're done. They're not introducing any more evidence. What you see is what you get. And what we see is fed slop.

That's what we see is fedl. We have reasonable doubt on every piece of evidence we cover tonight. We have timeline problems. 24 minutesWe have Tyler hours away from where he says he is in his text messages.

Allegedly, if the people from the steakhouse are right, and they seem to think they are, we don't have a single clear image of him on campus. We've got grainy footage. We've got back quarter views. We have ears that don't look like they match as he's walking up the stairs.

And it's not just us who don't know Tyler. It's his own live-in boyfriend who [clears throat] initially did not say he could be certain that was him. He just knew Tyler liked to wear jeans and Chuck Taylor's sunglasses and hats even though that's not his hat or I've never seen that hat. Guys, if you were going to set someone up, your evidence would look like this.

If you were going to frame a pathy, this is what it would look like. I can't think of anyone with a fair mind. And that was Nate doing the whole this is the this round would decapitate him. Nate's like a firearms expert.

You don't think the defense is going to bring a firearms expert or two to talk about how difficult that shot would be after you reassembled a rifle, after you jostled it in your pants over the course of 72 miles from where you parked until you climbed on the roof? You don't think they're going to bring somebody in to talk about that? Oh, it's 142 yard shot. I could teach my six-year-old girl how to do Yeah.

controlled environment when you're teaching her how to breathe, teaching her how to pull a trigger, and she's got all day and she's got several opportunities to make mistakes before she gets the first one down with a rifle that's perfectly zeroed and wasn't just put together in the last . And she didn't have to scamper across a roof with it, lay down, and take a shot in 15 or . Yeah, you probably can teach your six-year-old to take that shot, but I bet you can't teach a 22-year-old with a bad shot to take that shot. And I'm telling you right now, if those are his targets, that guy didn't make that shot.

No way he made that shot. No way. No chance he made that shot. Impossible.

And if he did, it would have decapitated Charlie Kirk. That's a 306. It's either a full metal jacket or a soft tip. Either one is going to go through and through.

150 170 grain. Probably going to kill whoever's standing behind him as well and maybe the person behind that person. These rounds are designed to take down,000b animals. They will do a tremendous number on the neck of a man.

There's not an open andsh shut case to be found. It it does not exist. This is this is a problem. This is why we kept hearing out of Utah that the prosecution was not liking this case at all and they felt like it was falling apart the more they looked into it.

But there is such political pressure on the prosecution, on the law enforcement community, and on the judge to kill Tyler Robinson with this evidence. And that's an indictment on all of us because we should demand better. We should demand better of our government before they execute our citizens. We should demand no reasonable doubt.

We shouldn't have timeline issues. We shouldn't have rounds that are incapable of the wound that it was caused. We shouldn't have weird text messages with British spelling. We shouldn't have pictures taken of confession letters.

We shouldn't have a guy confessing to anyone who will listen and then immediately turn himself in and take the fifth amendment. We shouldn't be told for 10 months that his parents are going to testify that because he confessed to them and then we don't hear from the parents that Mike Mitchell is going to testify because he confessed to him and then we don't hear from Mike Mitchell. Guys, this case stinks. We They had four days to convince you that this case should go in front of a jury.

And all they did was convince me that that's probably not Tyler Robinson walking around or Lance would have immediately recognized him. That's probably not the rifle that took him down. That's probably not the bullet round that took him down. 29 minutesI'm pretty confident the judge is going to send this to a trial.

There's just too much political pressure not to. But I have a feeling in my heart of heart, I tend to believe that if Judge Tony Graph got this case and it was two inner city guys from Salt Lake City, Utah, that it wouldn't be going to trial. Or it was just two random buddies got sideways with each other, just knew each other. or if this was just a random, you know, guy who was just found dead and we this is the guy we think did it.

Your honor, I don't think he would be sending this to a jury. There's too much reasonable doubt. We're getting to the point where it's not even probable cause that Tyler Robinson did it. Take Lance Twigs out of it.

Take Lance Twigs out of it. Lance Twigs has immunity. The the judge has to weigh that. Lance Twigs has immunity for everything he said in that statement.

Lance Twigs had access to all the evidence. Screwdriver, the towel, the gun, the bullets, the targets, the electronic devices. Take him out of it. Don't look at any of the text messages that he sent to Lance Twigs.

What do you have? You got some grainy images of a guy who's around six feet tall in three different outfits, but no no actual pictures of him with a rifle on the roof. And the only thing tying him to the rifle is some DNA that is sh you know, five other people's DNA is on that rifle. a screwdriver on the roof, but the cop's body cam fails right before he finds the screwdriver.

Then he's accompanied on the roof by a random guy with a badge and a gun, but we don't know who that guy was, so we can't bring him in and ask him anything. 31 minutesNo, no mountain of evidence. It's not an open and shut case. This case sucks.

I am more convinced now than I was Monday morning that Tyler Robinson's being framed. He's a he's a psy. And it breaks my heart. Breaks my heart.

Do I think Tyler Robinson is innocent of every charge that could be leved against him? I don't think so. I think he probably went up there knowing that there was going to be a crime committed and he might have been involved in that some in some capacity, but I don't think he planned and executed Charlie Kirk with a 30 six from the Losi center room. No, I don't buy it.

You don't buy it. And deep down they don't buy it either. They may say they buy it, but they don't buy it either. Not if they're paying attention.

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Erika Kirk Cult Launches DISGUSTING Campaign Against Tyler Robinson! Others ARE INVOLVED
Zach Costello
Streamed live on Jul 13, 2026

Erika Kirk led a manipulative media campaign last week against Tyler Robinson and whatever you think about his involvement, this was wrong and disgusting. We go through the details, especially when it is becoming very obvious he was not working alone that day on September 10th at UVU... True justice for Charlie Kirk means WHOLE justice.



Transcript

What's going on everybody? Thank you for joining me today for the Zack Costello Show. If you all could very quickly make
sure you hit that like button before we get started or as soon as you receive value, I'd really appreciate it. If you can double check and make sure that you
are subscribed, I would appreciate that as well. Even if you've already been subscribed, just go ahead and doublech
check. My goodness, you guys. this weekend ending on Friday. I mean, stuff hit the fan on Friday after we got done.
After the trial ended, excuse me, after the trial ended,
like I said, stuff hit the fan with then this coordinated planned media push all
against Tyler Robinson using this overwhelming mountain of evidence against Tyler Robinson that these that
the Erica Kirk cult, these Turning Point USA influencers all decided to flood the zone with and use the mainstream media
in order to push this agenda. It was nefarious. It was disgusting as my thumbnail suggests and as my title
suggests. And I stand by that. This isn't clickbait. What I'm about to take you through is this kind of whole media
manipulation campaign that took place on Friday over the weekend. And I hate to
say it, but led by Erica Kirk. And I'm going to show you how all of this played
out. We've got a good amount of stuff to get through today. We're going to go through this media manipulation
campaign. I've then got uh this video compilation that I put together. If you guys are following me on X, you might
have seen it already, but I have identified six different, I would say, clear moments that the individual
who is suspected in assassinating Charlie Kirk was working with vehicles throughout that day, pointing to what I
believe to be very strong evidence that this thing is just way bigger than just Tyler Robinson. Then we're going to get
into a clip from the Candace Owens and Shawn Ryan interview where she made some
important remarks or statements or claims about Lance Twigs. Then I'm going to take you through a video that I came across this
weekend thanks to Matt at Triggers, which I'm going to bring up here in a second.
he pointed my way which is a it's behavioral arts and it's a behavioral a behavioral psychologist I believe or a
behavioral expert who went through the Lance Twigs interview and identified some very important discrepancies or
just straight up dishonest moments throughout this Lance Twigs interview that we definitely need to go through.
All right. For those of you guys that don't know, what also came out over the weekend is I was on uh Matt with Trigger
Smart, he has a separate YouTube channel called Offscript with Matt. As you can see right here, um that top show right there on the left, my episode dropped.
It's a long kind of long about two hours um of him interviewing me. And Matt is a
phenomenal interviewer. He asked some incredible questions. Um, normally I don't like listening to myself in long
form interviews like this, but he actually made me interesting. I don't know. He just has very good questions.
We we cover Charlie Kirk. We cover Candace Owens, Erica Kirk, uh, the whole investigation and why it's important and
the search for the truth. And we get into a lot of my background, my upbringing, my family, and my faith. Uh,
it's good. It's good. So, if you haven't if if if you're a fan, if you're a subscriber and you are interested, go and check out that video with Matt uh at
Offscript and check out the other ones, too. Like I said, Matt is a great interviewer. Make sure you subscribe to that channel as more and more come out.
I know that he has plans to put more out there um as far as all of those people, all of these people that you that you
all love to follow and that you all love to listen to. So, in any case, that was really fun and um that was a really cool interview uh that Matt and I did and it
came out this weekend. So, if you're interested, go over there and check it out. All right, we're going to start with this post from our boy Andrew Cvette.
He posted this this morning. This morning today, I expect the liars to come out swinging harder and more
viciously than ever. They'll name call, mock, jeer, and see. They'll blame everyone but themselves for the absolute
thrashing their credibility took last week.
Man, that really makes me mad for reasons as you're about to see. They'll claim it's a coordinated campaign.
They'll claim it's all a paid op. That's projection. I expect attacks to ramp up against Turning Point USA because what
Charlie built remains highly effective and that drives them crazy as these lunatics try to narrative shift away
from their own failed predictions and fantasies.
They'll try to confuse people by casting doubt on a veritable avalanche of facts by focusing on some obscure detail,
contesting the public descriptions of the enhanced video, or trying to poke holes in a timeline, all without ever
addressing each piece of inconvenient for them. Court admitted evidence in an enormous and growing mosaic of damning evidence against Tyler Robinson.
They will do all of that without evidence or proof. Call them out on it every time. And there's a community note
brewing on Andrew Kvat's post saying that there is no conclusive evidence or clear video of Robinson taking a shot or
physical possession of a firearm. And it's extremely ironic for Andrew Kovette to be saying that, oh, everyone's going
to say it's a coordinated op. Everyone who is going against this narrative shredded their credibility. Well, in
fact, it's the opposite. Okay? In fact, it is the complete opposite.
What happened, if you guys are unaware, you're probably very aware, is that Erica Kirk had her attorney
emotionally appeal to the judge to put out what they refer to as enhanced or zoomed video of the individual walking
on the Losi Center roof with the timestamps of it saying 12:23 p.m. with the kind of blurry blob of that
individual getting in the prone position and then getting up after 12:23 and jumping off the roof. It was clearly
noted in the courtroom that there was no additional camera. There was no zoom feature on the camera that took the
footage of that individual on the Losi center roof. It was simply made clear in
court by the prosecution that this is simply a zoomedin video from a computer with different circles around it of the
same footage that we have already seen from the UVU surveillance. So, Benny Johnson coming out and saying that he
saw 4K footage of Tyler Robinson taking the shot or our boy Brandon Tatum here
saying that there's full HD of Tyler Robinson taking the shot. What he saw with an AI thumbnail of it all clear.
All of these MAGA influencers like Gunther Eagleman, Nick Sor, Jack Pobic,
all coming out and saying that this was a clear video of Tyler Robinson. It was like reliving Charlie Kirk's
assassination all over again. Well, guess what, guys? They're all getting community noted because this video does
not exist. This video does not exist. It was made clear in the courtroom this video does not exist. and they are exaggerating
and they are making up and the coordinated messaging is all the same. We saw this clear footage of Tyler
Robinson. Nobody else saw it except for those in the courtroom. But because we were there, we can tell you there's clear footage of Tyler Robinson taking a
shot. So now we need a speedy trial to put him to death. That's all the messaging. It's all the same. It's all coordinated and it's all false. They're
all being community noted for it. And thank God, thank God that two people,
two people willing to tell the truth were inside the courtroom and were able to
stand up against this false narrative that is being spread. And that's Brandy Sisani and Billy Webb.
And they have now been attacked for standing up for what they saw in the courtroom, saying, "Oh, you've never been there. You're liars.
Bry's got this wristband on, which as you guys can see right there, it's a pink wristband saying July 10th, 2026.
These were the wristbands that they handed out in the courtroom. You all know that I had an additional source inside the courtroom. She verified to
me, she gave me her wristband from a different day. It was a yellow one, but it's the exact same. It's the exact same
handwriting on it. It's the exact same thing that Brandy is showing us right here. Brandy was in that courtroom. And for those of you that are saying, "Oh,
well, anybody can fake a a wristband." Turning Point USA and their representatives also confirmed that
Brandy was in the courtroom. Brandy and Billy were on the Baron Coleman Real Baron podcast last night and they
confirmed everything that they saw, but they've been getting a very hard time for standing up against this false
campaign, this false influencer campaign headed by Erica Kirk. And why do I say it's headed by Erica Kirk?
I want to remind you guys what we saw last week from the Erica Kirk attorney, from the Kirk attorney with them pushing
the judge to try and play this video. I want to remind you with this. Take a watch.
Time is of the essence. Not because I don't want to hear what you have to say.
I I I understand, but there was a lot that was just said that's just not true.
Well, so let let me let me let me put this in the spot where we need to be. I And I understand that there's opinions,
but I have to keep this to the probable cause. I don't want this to go to a back and forth about issues that lie outside of probable
cause. And I realize statements are made and and as as the victim's representative attorney, you want to address it. So, I I I just I will hear
you, but I I we need to be brief. So, if you can be succinct, I I definitely want to hear what you have to say, your honor. I most always I am almost
always brief. I promise you. Uh the the family has not seen this video. It hasn't. It doesn't have access to the evidence the state has. The state is the
state and Mrs. Kirk and the family are have their representatives. That there's a completely distortion of of reality that was just put forth. Uh um and this
isn't about educating anybody anybody about anything. This is about allowing the family to see the evidence that's been gathered after a 10-month
investigation in which a father, a husband was assassinated. That's what this is about.
12 minutesSo, we ask you to please allow the family to view the video like the court has viewed in order to allow the family to process this moment.
Thank you. That be okay. So that is what is called emotional gaslighting of the judge. And
for those of you that are unaware, it was already confirmed that this video did not contribute anything additional to the evidence because it's already of
the UVU surveillance video just simply zoomed in with different marks added to it to direct people's attention to different spots.
It was not shown and the judge did not actually allow it to be submitted as evidence because it did not provide
anything additional to the evidence that had been submitted.
I'm going to explain to you then how all of this played out.
It's very hard to think that this was not a coordinated plan so that this media campaign could have been executed over the last couple days of this trial.
They knew that this additional footage or this manipulated or edited footage existed, okay? Because they talked about it in the courtroom. This exhibit 12.1.
I told you guys last week from my show on Friday that my source from inside the courtroom observed Erica Kirk on
multiple occasions directing her attorney to stand up and speak at certain points. With a head nod, with a
whisper, she is directing the attorney to speak on her behalf at certain times.
I also explained to you the emotional gaslighting behavior that Erica Kirk has
used inside the courtroom. And I understand this is this is delicate. This is delicate.
But what my source observed was Erica turning her head at multiple times so that the front and back could see her
face and then crying on Charlie's mother's shoulder. So you have on the one hand an individual who's emotional,
who's upset, who has runny mascara, who's using tissues constantly, who's turning her head so that the front and
back can see it, laying her head on Charlie's mother's shoulder crying.
At one point, it was observed that Erica actually stood up and and and looked at the judge while she was crying.
I believe Bae reported that last week.
And on the other hand, you have this kind of strategic directing of her attorney to get up at
certain points to make certain points in at certain points in the trial. Okay.
15 minutesHe then gets up and argues that this video must be must be shown for the family. It must be shown just inside the courtroom. Only inside the courtroom.
The judge, this occurred on Thursday.
This moment occurred on Thursday. And the judge said, "I'll think about it.
I'll let you know tomorrow." Which was Friday.
What happens then on Friday? What happens on Friday is we have Brandon Tatum, Graham Allen, Jack Pobic, who
were all there who were all there inside the courtroom. Who else gets invited only for Friday?
Benny Johnson. Benny Johnson gets invited, hand selected by Erica Kirk
to come in the courtroom on Friday as a family friend of course.
One of the other individuals that my source also identified, which was invited, hand selected by Erica Kirk, was this individual. And believe it or
not, cuz my source was like, "Hey, do you know who this is?" Because there was a lot of security around this individual. And the police when she arrived told us to put our phones away.
She didn't. She's not a rule follower.
This is that video of her of this individual walking in.
You guys know who that is right there.
That individual that we see right there with a lot of security and the police instructing to put phones away, put
cameras away as she was walking in is Katherine Limbaugh. That is the widow of
Rush Limbaugh who was invited by Erica Kirk to attend
this Wednesday hearing. She was there on Wednesday. Well, that didn't stop Katherine Limbaugh from
making an appearance on Fox News over the weekend after the trial ended as she also then contributed
to this whole Who is it?
We are going to say the evidence is completely overwhelming against Tyler Robinson.
This is her here on Fox News. I'm not going to play this entire clip. You guys already know what it already says. It's just Katherine Limbaugh talking about
how hard this was for Erica Kirk, how strong of a Christian Erica Kirk is, and how guilty Tyler Robinson is, and how the evidence is overwhelming, and how
this speediness should take place to execute Tyler Robinson because he is guilty and it's obvious. Okay. So, this
is a this is a very high-profile individual. So, you have Kathern Limbaugh, you have Benny Johnson, Brandon Tatum,
Jack Pobic, who were all there then saying that this over this evidence is just is so overwhelming against Tyler Robinson.
So, the way that all of this played out is that you have an emotional Erica Kirk directing her attorney at certain points.
The attorney was directed to argue that 12.1 should be showed just in the courtroom.
The judge agreed on Friday. Specific individuals from the media were invited by Erica Kirk to attend the trial on Friday.
The judge agreed. The judge fell for it in my opinion and played the video inside the courtroom.
And then they took that and ran with it as some crazy highquality 4K HD video clearly showing Tyler Robinson taking
the shot. All then saying that a speedy trial should be implemented so that Tyler Robinson, boom, lone wolf could receive the death penalty as soon as
19 minutespossible so we could have justice for Charlie Kirk. The mainstream media all picked it up.
Fox News, Gunther Eagleman, Nick Sortor, the whole gang, the whole gang all picked it up and ran with it.
And it was all a coordinated plan, media assault, campaign against Tyler Robinson.
Think what you want about Tyler Robinson's involvement. Think what you want about it.
I think he was involved. To to what extent, who else was involved? We're going to get to that here in a second.
Because in my opinion, the lone wolf narrative is bunk. It's done. It's dead.
And if you still believe in the lone wolf narrative, I question your discernment. I question your judgment.
20 minutesBut they're all out there pushing for this lonewolf narrative. Tyler Robinson needs needs to be convicted,
executed so that we can move on justice for Charlie Kirk.
Thank God Brandy Sisleani and Billy Webb were in the room so that we could know the actual truth about what was shown on that video screen. And now they're getting tons of heat being called liars.
their credibility, their character taken into question.
You guys don't remember Brandy Cesani was on the Zack Costello show the night before and had to leave to get back in line so she could get in the courtroom.
There is an overwhelming mountain of evidence that Brandy Sistani was in that courtroom.
Talk about an overwhelming mountain of evidence. That's where it exists.
But you guys, this dishonesty that has been displayed since Friday afternoon and then over the weekend
decreases my faith in humanity first and foremost, but really makes me even more suspicious. even more suspicious about
this being a higher level operation. And I don't even want to think that. I don't even
want to think that. But this coordinated media campaign against Tyler Robinson
to pin him as the lone wolf and the way that the dishonesty that just took place
by people I used to respect by people I used to freaking respect is disgusting. It's disgusting. Think
what you want about Tyler Robinson's involvement. This is where I was getting at.
It is innocent until proven guilty in America.
22 minutesAnd to dishonestly to dishonestly use a coordinated media campaign against this individual to push
for his death penalty is evil.
It's evil. There's no other way to say it.
And now I want to show you guys this.
because I put together this compilation video. Like, if we want real justice, if we want true justice for Charlie Kirk
and if Tyler Robinson was involved, we have to know who else was involved in this assassination of Charlie.
And it's becoming very clear to me that Tyler Robinson was certainly not working alone that day on September 10th at UVU.
I put together this compilation video of six different moments, six different moments where the
individual suspected in the Charlie Kirk assassination case is
working with or making contact with a vehicle
before, during, and after that 1223 event.
The first one is here. Okay, this is the individual in black that is about to enter the stairwell to walk down into the tunnel at UVU.
And I want you guys to pay attention to that white SUV that goes right behind him. We'll let this play. I give you the arrow there.
The individual then turns around, looks at the SUV as it drives away.
Another gray SUV pulls up right here while he waits and perhaps is on his phone. He sticks
24 minuteshis phone in his pocket and then continues down. What's important to note about this specific video, which is the
actual evidence that was submitted by the prosecution, you guys can see this here. It's edited and clipped. A minute 16 is missing from
this. Shout out to Alli Top Files for observing this here. She was the first one to report it. But you see that white
SUV driving away. You see the individual looking at it and then pop out of existence because the video is clipped and edited.
And then the individual turns around.
That gray SUV is there driving a little slow. The individual walks down the stairs into the tunnel.
Okay, now that's number one. Number two, this individual continues down the tunnel,
comes by this pillar, emerges on the left side of the pillar here,
and you see as he then turns to walk up the stairs, a vehicle approaches from behind. see
the arrow? The individual then turns around to make eye contact with that vehicle. I've had multiple people
observe that when you zoom in on this, the wheels look very similar to the wheels on the Dodge Challenger.
That's number two. And then he continues up these stairs. Okay, number three.
Number three, and this is the one that I just find most suspicious. You have the white SUV pulling into the parking lot.
And to give you guys context, this is the video. This is the video that we've been arguing about for the length of the
show. This is the video we've been arguing about all weekend. This is the video of the individual on the roof from this angle, from this camera. It's
zoomed in on a computer. So, in that top right, top left corner, excuse me, that is the individual getting to the prone position, laying in the prone position.
1223 and s or in s maybe I think. Anyway, after the event
occurs at Charlie 1223 and some change, he then gets up and runs off the Losi center roof. Okay, this is that video. This is the video.
All they did was zoom in and add some add some red circles like I added red arrows into into this one. Okay, but
watch this white SUV pulls in. This white SUV pulls in the parking lot. And I'm just going to let the time go by so you guys can see what's happening here.
It stops. The car stops. And then time ticks by to .
Seconds go by and then watch what happens here. Watch what happens.
alleged shot is taken. The individual then runs across the Losi center roof.
As soon as the individual gets to the corner and drops down, the car moves.
As soon as the individual gets to the corner and drops off the low sea center roof, the car moves.
The white SUV then pulls around the parking lot, pulls up next to the individual that is then walking through the grass.
Watch what happens here as this white SUV is leaving the parking lot. It doesn't even really look at these other cars that are also trying to exit. It literally just kind of barges through.
You in a hurry? Where's the fire, bro?
Where's the fire? Watch what happens here.
That other car's there first. I like I don't know right away. The other car has to stop and the other car's like, "Nope, I'm going."
I I'm I'm a kind of an aggressive driver, but that to me was rude. Rude.
Pulled out right in front of him.
All right, that's number three. Number four. Number four, you hear a lot of the cell phone data that's been coming out
today as a part of the search warrant evidence. People are out there talking about the cell phone data being released. Well, they pulled allegedly
Tyler Robinson's cell phone data from this shopping center parking lot. And this was the footage that was captured
or obtained or or published, excuse me, by Ryan Ma in October of 2025.
This shows the Dodge Challenger, entering the parking lot, sitting here.
29 minutesAnd then I have the second arrow on this other white SUV, not the same SUV as was in the UVU Losi Center parking lot.
Watch what happens here. Dodge Challenger pulls in. This is This is cell phone data that was that was
allegedly pulled from uh from Tyler Robinson's cell phone from this parking lot. This SUV pulls out, takes the left turn.
Dodge Challenger still sits there. SUV comes back and they drive off together.
I mean, what kind of route What kind of route are you are you using to exit the parking lot doing that?
Seems a little weird, does it not? Okay, that's interaction number four.
Interaction number five, let's keep it on this clip. I believe that I do. I think I rewind it here. Uh,
I thought I cut myself out of there. But in any case, I I rewind it back here because I also want to point your
attention to this gray SUV that enters the parking lot as well. The gray SUV
enters the parking lot. This white car swings back around. That gray SUV stops, stops right there and then moves. And
then the other two cars move out right behind each other. That gray SUV, I've noticed looks an awful lot like
this SUV. This gray SUV that pulls up alongside the individual, walking through the neighborhoods here prior to
arriving at the low sea center tunnel, stairwell roof. This is him walking through the neighborhood prior to
this gray SUV. So he stops here by this light pole. He messes around with his phone for a little bit. This gray SUV pulls up to the side of him close and then merges back into the lanes here.
Okay, there it is again. Pulls up to the side of him and then merges into the lanes.
That's example number five of this individual interacting with another vehicle prior to
that 1223 event. Now, this is the Ring doorbell footage, the now famous Noble Ring doorbell footage.
And why did I include this? Well, I included this because this was submitted as evidence and it was made clear in the courtroom
when Kathy Netor questioned David Hull from Utah Bureau of Investigation
as to what the eyewitness to this video claimed was who the eyewitness of this video claimed was driving the car and
who else was in the car that that the prosecution is saying is Tyler Robinson's Dodge Challenger. Okay, I
want to show you two important parts of this video.
So, this is the alleged Dodge Challenger approaching the neighborhoods. And this would have been after the assassination,
the night of when Tyler Robinson was allegedly looking for his rifle. He was in this neighborhood to the north of
campus. This is Ring doorbell footage from the Noble household of the Dodge Challenger coming to a stop.
The homeowner was interviewed here and asked and and and she made clear in her testimony that there was a bald man
driving the car and there were three people in the car.
So, I'm including this because that also speaks to this being bigger and more than just Tyler Robinson.
We have this individual interacting with other cars on multiple occasions throughout the day.
And then we have the Dodge Challenger allegedly driven by a bald man, not to be confused with Blake Nef,
and also having three other individuals in the car. Now, I want to show you guys just something that is stupid stupid about this piece of evidence.
Watch what happens here. There are two edits in this. Why? Why would these two evidence Why would these two clips to these two edits be here in this video?
Watch this car sitting there.
Car sitting there. Ring doorbell footage.
It clips. It clips. It goes dark and then it picks back up. And then watch what happens.
Okay. Do you guys know what that is? You saw the flash on the car. Do you know what that is? The car comes up to a stop, the video goes dark, the video
cuts back in, and then you see the flash flash. What do you guys think that is?
That is the car locking.
That's the car locking. The individual would have left the vehicle, started walking away, hit the lock
button on the keys and then you see the flash flash.
Why is it clipped when the individual would have left the car?
And now, now watch again. Now watch again. Watch for the second clip.
clipped and then what? Car turns on and drives away.
So, what we have there are two edits in this piece of evidence that was submitted. And the two evidence includes the part where the driver leaves the car
and then when the driver re-enters the car. Am I getting that right? Am I getting that right?
So, what I just showed you guys were six different six different places
where said individual who was suspected in the Charlie Kirk assassination was interacting with
vehicles throughout the day and also being reported that other individuals were in the were in the car that the prosecution is saying was Tyler
Robinson's. And then we have clipped out footage of when that individual would have left the car who the homeowner says was bald.
I think that's pretty solid. That's a pretty solid argument for this being bigger than just Tyler Robinson. So now
loop this back into the original, not the original, the initial argument that we were making from the outset of today's show.
We're trying to facilitate the death penalty, the speedy trial of an individual who might have been
involved in this, but it it is, I'm going to say, clearly looks like there were other people involved in it as well.
It is not justice for Charlie Kirk to have Tyler Robinson convicted and receiving the death penalty as the lone
wolf if other people were involved in this.
That's not true justice for Charlie Kirk. True justice for Charlie Kirk is that everybody involved is held accountable
and justicees serve to everybody that was involved in this assassination of Charlie Kirk. And I don't understand why
that's controversial. I don't understand why Erica Kirk, Andrew Kovvette, and the whole cult of Erica Kirk and Turning
Point USA are not also fighting for this as well.
37 minutesWhy the propaganda campaign against this lone wolf Tyler Robinson?
And what are they going off of? What are they going off of for this lone wolf narrative? There is one source. There is one source for this lone wolf narrative.
Just one. And it's the testimony of Lance Twigs.
And it's the text messages to Lance Twigs.
Lance Twigs is the source of the lone wolf narrative.
I personally think it's stupid to hinge your entire argument or perspective on this Charlie Kirk assassination on the
testimony of well a crazy person, a psychopath with a very questionable mental health history,
drug abuse history of Lance Twigs.
38 minutesYou know, it's funny. all these so-called conservatives who constantly are talking about the
mental derangement of you would say transgender individuals are now taking this one as gospel. This
is an individual who doesn't even know if he's a boy or a girl, but he's 90 something% sure that that's
Tyler Robinson in the tunnel and that Tyler Robinson was the lone wolf in the Charlie Kirk assassination case.
Man, we're living in backwards world, everybody. We are living in backwards world.
For the final segment of this show, we're going to have Candace Owens lead us off here with what she said about Lance Twigs on the Sha Ryan Show. Let's
take a listen to the principal, as Baron Coleman refers to her as. Take a listen.
Twigs I twigs his family and they think he's involved
and they don't understand why the police just sat him down for a few hours and let him go and they said he has he's
involved in a lot of bad stuff. Um they he lived with them for a little bit that he's into you know weird categories of
pornography as well. And so they were shocked that the police just had never had any interest in Lance Twigs and he
is crucial to the story that they're trying to tell as the roommate. Uh if you're dating, if they are in a gay relationship and you're dating him, you would have access to his guns. You would
have access to you could easily set up somebody that you're dating. And that's what my my gut tells me is Lance
Twigs was a federal asset. Is a federal asset. Okay.
Very good take by Candace Owens there.
And now I want to take you guys into this very good breakdown from
behavior arts which is the YouTube channel.
He very much knows behavioral psychology. He is an individual who does these different breakdowns based on
people's behavioral patterns, how they're behaving when they're giving testimony. That's what he applies to to
Lance Twigs here. He did a I believe about like a 50inute show on the trial.
He looked at the judge. He looked at Lance Twigs. He looked at Tyler Robinson. It's very good. It's a very good breakdown. It's a very good video.
Behavior Arts is the YouTube channel. go and check it out if you have an hour or so. It's a good It's a good
video. It's good. But what I'm going to cover here is this Lance is this section of the Lance Twigs testimony.
What he describes here are two critical critical points in the Lance
Twigs testimony where it is very clear that Lance Twigs contradicts himself and is being dishonest.
We covered some of Lance Twig's dishonesty last week as it relates to Tyler Robinson never talking about
politics. Lance Twig not not contributing to politics even though his political ramblings are well documented on Reddit.
What Behavior Arts gets into here are two specific moments where Lance Twigs was dishonest. And here is the first one
and then we'll go from there. Take a listen. Acted erratically. Um, was he pacing? Was he just sitting down relaxing?
No, he was he was uh walking around a lot. And that's within the home. Mhm.
Um, and did he talk about what he had done?
Uh, didn't go into detail. He just I just asked him in person if what he said was true the night before and he said it was.
I started crying a little bit and said he wishes he hadn't done it and then kept going around and just
doing stuff I think to keep himself busier.
Okay, so just to give you guys a little bit of context, this is Lance Twigs talking about his interactions with Tyler Robinson after he got home. And
this is where Behavior Arts considers this really problematic.
I also do want to note that it's this part of the testimony when Lance Twig says that Tyler told me
that he wish he didn't do it. That is when Tyler Robinson's mother, according to Brandy and Teresa Bruce and Billy
Webb, that is the moment that Tyler Robinson's mother got most emotional during this testimony. I think that's interesting.
43 minutesBut anyway, this is the moment when Lance Twigs is talking about his interaction with Tyler once he got home from UVU. Take a listen.
Distracted or something and then eventually said that he would talk to his parents or turn himself over.
Okay. And uh when you left, was that how you went you left understanding that he was going to turn himself in or go to his parents house?
Yeah. and I didn't really want to be at our apartment while any of that was happening regardless of what went down.
Okay, so in this one for me, there was a little red flag that went bing in my head and it relates back to the text exchange that was released between Tyler
and Lance. And I have a video on the channel where we look at those texts and I give my opinion on it and I'll leave a link in the description if you guys want to check it out. But in summary, really
quick summary, there's something about it that never really sat easy with me with that text exchange. I'm not one of those people who thinks like it's this whole plot and the whole thing is fake
and none of it makes sense. But there's just a few things about it that in the wording didn't quite add up to me. And here again, something doesn't make sense
because Lance is saying here that Tyler was walking around a lot and when he's asked did he talk about what happened?
He's saying he didn't go into detail.
So, what that means is that this guy Tyler, who allegedly did this horrible thing the day before, was at their house
in the comfort of their own home and he didn't go into detail, but the day before when he actually did the crime and he was kind of fleeing the scene, he
texted paragraphs and paragraphs of detail. That's inconsistent. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense for someone who on the day of the act that he
committed in that high stress moment to be texting paragraphs and paragraphs of details. Seriously, go back and look at those texts. It's like a novel. But then
on the next day, in the comfort of his own home with the person that he was texting, he doesn't go into details.
Sorry, that doesn't describe the same character. It also doesn't make a whole lot of sense that he didn't have a million questions. I mean, put aside the fact that they're roommates, put aside
the fact that they have romantic history, but even just for his own safety, you would think that he would be extremely concerned. So it's hard to believe that there wasn't a very big
conversation here knowing what we know about these two individuals.
Yeah. So very very good observation there. And one of the main themes of
what behavior arts identified with regard to all of this is that Lance Twigs is clearly trying to distance himself from Tyler Robinson even to the point of being dishonest.
Are we actually supposed to believe that Tyler Robinson arrived home after spilling all of this to Lance? After
spilling all of the details to Lance, even leaving a note confessing all of these details that Tyler Robinson was
telling Lance Twigs allegedly the night before they get home the next day and they're like, "Ah, I'm not really going to talk about it.
He was just busy doing some stuff." Doing some stuff. Yeah. Yeah, Lance.
Lance says he was doing some stuff.
That's my Lance Twigs voice, which is, as much as it makes me feel terrible, is deeper than my own. Gosh, hearing Lance
Twigs for the first time made me feel less manly. His voice is deeper than mine. I got I got to deepen up my voice in comparison to Lance Twigs.
But such a good observation. He spilled all of these details the night before.
All of these details were spilled the night before. And then he gets home the next day and there's no details. He didn't really go in anything. He was just doing some stuff to keep himself busy.
My goodness.
My goodness. But this is the this is the part of the behavior arts video where he goes into this next section with Lance Twigs that when I was listening to this,
I was just like, "Oh my gosh." Absolutely. Absolutely. Let's take a listen to this next part now where he breaks down this next part of the Lance Twigs video.
Before he came home, had you seen the press the press releases um any of the media on on this?
I'd seen one Instagram like link a friend of mine had sent in our group chat,
but I hadn't really looked into it at all.
And uh had you seen the images that were released of the suspect?
Uh I did the next day. I don't think I saw any on the tech.
Liar. Freaking liar. And that's what he gets into here. What a liar.
Yeah, I'm not really buying that exactly. And it's not entirely behaviorally. It's a little bit behaviorally, but also just purely logically. So, he says that in a chat.
He was sent a link, but he didn't really look into it at all. And immediately after that, we see that look down, but it's not alone. We also see a quick flutter with the eyes like this. And this is very consistent with processing.
Research has shown that universally when we process things, when we put things into memory or retrieve things from memory, we see these little eye flutters
or a very increased blink rate. So, it obviously doesn't always mean deception.
Nothing does. There isn't a single gesture on this planet that happens exclusively in deception. But there are behaviors that we look at for stress or
increased cognitive load that might indicate a higher probability of deception. And I flutter is one of them.
Now, we don't have a massive cluster here. It's not like after he says that we see him close up and look away and flutter and hesitate. It's just this
downwards look which is part of his baseline. It's a little more held than usual with this flutter like this. But just purely logically, it doesn't make
sense to me that he didn't look more into this or read that article or ask more questions or get more curious. I mean, let's think about this logically.
Is there anybody right now watching this video that if you had a roommate and that roommate went out and all of a sudden you got all these weird texts from them and a friend of yours sent a
link to a group chat that said, "Hey, uh, your your buddy, your roommate may have done this thing." Is there anybody watching this video that wouldn't drop
everything you're doing to open that link, read it, go online, look what else is going on? What's happening on X? What's happening on Instagram, Tik Tok?
What's What is going on here? Wouldn't you want to find out everything you can?
I mean, there's a good chance that this guy who committed this act is about to come to where you live. Are they having some kind of psychotic episode? What's going on? So, is there really anybody
who would just not really look into it at all?
If the person that you were dating that you were saying, "I love you to sent you a message that they had just
done this, that they were involved in this." you get text messages from their friends with links saying that, "Hey, I
think this might be the person." You're not going to open that. You're not going to look at it. You're not going to turn on the news
to be like, "What the heck is going on here?" You're just be like, "Oh, yeah.
No, I I didn't look at it. I just I just went to sleep. I just went to sleep." And then the next day when I saw him, yeah, we didn't really talk about anything. Nah.
Nah, wasn't really that. I wasn't really that interested. I just wanted to kind of say what's up and then get out of there and go home.
He makes such a great point in that if an individual who was just who just
basically assassinated someone and told you that
was like, "Hey, I'm coming home." You're just like, "Uh, no thanks. No. Um I'm I'm I'm actually I'm out. I'm out. Um
yeah, they left me a note here. I'm calling the cops and I'm out. This person says that they did it.
They're they're said he said they're coming home tonight. He left me this note.
No, but what Lance did, he didn't really look at anything. He saw that note on the picture, snapped a picture of it, and then was just like, "Ah, I'm going
to get some sleep." And then the next morning it's like, "Yeah, um, whatever.
Hey, what's up, man? You keep yourself busy. I'm I'm I'm going to head out for the day. I'll talk to you later." BS. It is complete BS.
and what you guys just saw. So everything that we just went over here today from this coordinated campaign to pin this lone wolf narrative on Tyler
Robinson, the overwhelming mountain of evidence against Tyler Robinson as the lone wolf, which hinges on
Lance Twigs's testimony where he is dishonest throughout.
It's a dishonest testimony throughout.
That is what the lone wolf narrative hinges upon. And then you've got clear I
just laid out six of them. Clear circum instances where you have the individual that was
involved in the Charlie Kirk assassination, the suspect coordinating and working with different cars throughout the day.
How can you believe the lone wolf narrative? How can you trust Lance Twigs?
That is the foundation that they're basing all of this on and then turning around and calling anybody that questions it evil, deluded.
You go back to that Andrew Kvette, that initial Andrew Corvette post and and it just makes me even more mad to
consider the things that he says here today. I expect the liars to come out
swinging harder and more viciously than ever.
Who's the liar? Who's the liar? And who's coming out swinging more viciously than ever? They'll they'll they'll name call, mock, jer.
Oh, that's funny because what I see is everybody on the in the Erica Kirk
Turning Point USA. Tyler Robinson is the lone wolf narrative mountain of evidence cult coming out calling everybody else
[ __ ] As much as I hate to use that word, but that's the word they're using.
evil, [ __ ] deluded.
They'll blame everyone but themselves for their absolute thrashing of their credibility that took place last week. Wow.
Wow, dude. They'll claim it's a coordinated campaign. I think I just proved that it was. They'll claim it's a paid op. I just proved that it was. It's projection.
I expect the tax to ramp up against Turning Point USA because Charlie built something that's highly effective.
Because we're jealous, you guys. Because you're jealous.
as these crazy lunatics or as these luna lunatics try to narrative shift away from their failed predictions and fantasies.
They'll try to come up with reasons as to why to cast doubt on the verifiable
avalanche veritable avalanche of facts.
against the enormous evidence.
The court admitted evidence in an enormous and growing mosaic of damning evidence against Tyler Robinson.
You go back and read this and and it just it it it just makes you so angry.
It just makes you so angry. All right, we're going to finish up with some comments today.

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The Cars Following "The Tylers" Around Orem - Ep 144
Baron Coleman
Streamed live 20 hours ago

When The Tylers showed up on camera all over Orem, there frequently seemed to be cars interacting with each Tyler. We take a look.

We also review Lance Twiggs's "testimony" in light of what we've learned.



Transcript

Sorry about that. First day at the office. Um guys, welcome in. Welcome in.
Welcome in. We uh we're glad to have the principal back presiding over uh the evening's festivities. Now, we are relegated to afterparty status. Sorry
we're so late tonight. I do apologize. I know that makes it hard on some people who prefer to go a little earlier. Um but uh but I was not able to get uh get
ready any sooner than this. Um [clears throat] I think I predicted it, ladies and gentlemen. Did anyone see the nails? Did anyone see the nails? Do I
need to pull up the nails? I can do that. If you guys don't believe me, I can pull up the nails.
They were as predicted. Yes, that's right. That's right. Uh, actually, hold on. Let me find them. You guys don't believe me. I should have had this done before I started. Yes. I'll just let you
guys trust me. They were maroon. Um, always sending signals. Always sending coded signals is the principle. Always
sending coded signals. Um, guys, we've got a lot lined up for you tonight. I hope you are buckled in. Um, we're going to go over some uh uh Oh. Oh, use this
video for the nails. We've got I've got backup for nail footage. Uh, we're going to go over some of the evidence rundown, some of the cars
that Tyler seemed to be tracked by in a lot of those videos. I know neither the prosecution nor the defense made a big deal out of it, but who were those
people and why were they stopped for inordinate periods of time? And do we now have an answer why we were not able to see the original footage? You
remember we kept asking, you know, uh uh you guys showed us the video of the guy running off the roof. Why didn't you just back it up like s so we could see the, you know, what you guys
alleged as the gunshot? Well, I think for two reasons. One reason is that they did not want us to notice there was no
gunshot visible. I think it's plain and simple. Uh, but the second reason is there was a car in the parking lot doing something very unusual and it seemed to
be timed with the figure on the roof. We will look at that in depth today. Zack Costello pointed this out on his fine program today and um and uh or
yesterday. When was it? Whenever he pointed it out. Um and no, it was today.
It was today. And uh and I want to rip it right out of his program and show it to you. It was phenomenal. It was great investigative work and something that had gotten past your humble host. This
is why we crowdsource stuff. This is why we have a decentralized investigation into who killed Charlie Kirk, how and why. So, we're going to take a look at that um a little bit.
We're going to dive into the Lance Twig's testimony now that a few days have passed and we've had an opportunity to really digest it, really dig into it, see some of the other things, make some
connections, do a little research. Now, we have some firepower to bring to the analysis of Lance Twig's video testimony. We will go through it in
detail. Um, and uh I have a video. I'm going to start here real quick. I I know this is unusual way to start the program, but this is a a plea for help.
This is a plea for help. Um I don't know where Charlie Kirk is going in this video. It appears to me to be a
staircase that leads to the Hall of Flags. In all of the coverage of this, I
had not heard that Charlie Kirk went into the Hall of Flags. You'll see Dan Flood slip on the stairs here. Right.
Down goes Dan. Down goes Flood. Uh, but they're walking up these stairs and they're walking into what appears to me to be the Hall of Flags.
I was not aware that Charlie Kirk had gone indoors um during his um during his
trip to UVU. I thought he stayed outside the whole time. If he went indoors, I want to know what they did in there.
They just use the can or did they meet with somebody? How long were they in there? If anybody can fill me in on that, by all means, please [email protected].
Um, I think it could potentially become a relatively interesting development because if we're talking about something taking place underneath Charlie's shirt,
was anything affixed to Charlie in that building? Because we know it couldn't have been done outside. Did they say, "Hey, we're trying something new here,
Charlie. We need you to wear this. Hey, trade this out. We need you to put this on instead." I I'm just very curious what took place in there. I don't know
how we would find out. I think unless you were in the room with him, you might not know, but if anybody has heard anything, anybody has any not just
speculation. I mean, if it's rooted in something, please let me know. If you're just guessing, I I can sit here and guess all day. You know, my guess is as good as yours, your guess is as good as
mine. It's not very valuable. Um, [clears throat] and so we'll get to we'll get to all that. We're going to get to all that and more. Um, and yes, I know it's late. Yes, I know it's late,
but I apologize. But because it's late, I will probably move a little swifter through the super chats towards the end of the night because I don't want to be up till 1 or two in the morning.
[laughter]
God's time. I don't want to be up too late. So, um, just understand if you send a super chat, I will read it, but I may not put it up and react to it on the
screen. Um, if, uh, depending on how long the show goes and how many come in and all that. So, just bear with me, be patient. We will we will do our best to
get to as many as humanly possible. Um but uh but understand that that I'm going to have to call it quits at some point uh just for that. Now um your
humble your humble principal has asked for our help and we are here to answer the bell.
This is what happened on her program. I got to pull it up. This is what happened on her program this afternoon and we
will answer the bell here. First I think you can see the maroon nails in this footage. It is very important for us to establish.
[laughter]
I was hoping for a whole maroon outfit, but I will take maroon nails. Those are maroon.
Those are maroon. Okay, back to the content. I apologize, madam principal.
It won't happen againish because he is speaking about the kines's. And I think I can, by the way, I can back channel um because I talked about the kines's on
the show and I can go back to that source. But if you have information related to when the canines were brought on to the scene, please email us
[email protected]. That will allow us to get a timestamp in there because he says he's observing the canines going back and forth. And I this could be exculpatory evidence.
The penguish state.
So she wants to know when the canines came onto the scene. Well, lucky for her, she has access to a daisy because I have
a daisy and I'm going to give her the answer here in just a second because Daisy alerted me that she had this in her notes. So, I'm going to show when the canines re uh arrived on the scene.
This is the piece of footage here that she found. The time stamp is 16:29 on this, but uh on the Oh, okay. I don't
need that. Um, this is 12:33 p.m. Mountain time. It's a very short
piece of audio. Just a few seconds of audio here. 12:33 p.m. Mountain time.
1J 129. I've got all county K9 headed that way. Where do you need us?
So, at 12:33 Mountain Time, you had all Kines headed
to the scene. Where do you need us? Um, we now have confirmation with somebody
from the uh Utah County government of when the canines arrived. So, I will show you this email here. This is a uh an email from a little public request.
Uh, I will see if this handles your This is Lance McDaniel. He's the dog guy.
He's loves being a dog guy. Big into dogs. Uh, I'll see if this helps answer your questions. By state mandate, all
police service dogs in Utah must be certified by post for each area they are trained in and must pass a reertification each year. yada yada
training, training, training. Dogs are trained in specific odors. So, we don't have a dog do both narcotics and explosives. And that makes sense, right?
If you if you if your dog hits on me, you need to know, am I a drug user or am I a bomb guy? I mean, that's a that's a
clear thing you got to know if you're going to have it hit on me. Uh, bomb dogs are trained on firearms and ammunition.
Patrol dogs are trained to locate evidence. The difference is guns have residue for bomb dogs and there's human
odor on guns and ammunition for evidence dogs. In other words, um, if you have a firearm,
the uh, gun dog can smell it. They can also smell the ammunition. are trained to smell the different powders and things like that. So, that's uh in
request to that. And now we have a video from 5:00 p.m. is a video from 5:00 p.m.
Let me make this large so we can all benefit from uh being able to see it.
But this is precisely at 5:00 p.m. And we have uh a view of dogs on campus.
I'll kill the volume just in case. I don't know what it plays here, but these are the dogs looking around. Sniff, sniff, sniff, sniff, sniff, sniff. Over here, phto. Oh, sniff, sniff, sniff,
sniff, sniff, sniff. Nothing here, Sergeant. Okay, now what about over here? Sniff, sniff, sniff, sniff, sniff, sniff. Those were your dogs on campus at 5:00 p.m.
And a tank. [laughter] Just in case we need a tank, we got one.
You never know. You never know if you're going to need a tank. So, luckily the ORM Police Department has a tank. I'm not sure how I feel about local police departments being so militarized.
Um, but that is what they have. Um, so Utah County and um Utah State dogs are
pretty good dogs. They actually have not um they've not gone without notice nationally. So, I will show you some awards that have been won by these dogs.
10 minutesOh, hold on. No thanks. don't need to subscribe to your dog newsletter. Uh here is a
an award ceremony from the uh K9 games or whatever award a winning show of laws and law enforcement. This is from 2024
32nd annual LVMPD K9 trials. You'll notice right here, fourth place, Lance McDaniel and K9 Loki. Low key. That's
lowkey a good dog. [laughter] My kids would get that. that you boomers may not understand. Uh, but that's low-key a good dog. And I'm not knocking
on you boomers for not understanding. I frankly wish I didn't understand that joke. Um, overall overall we've got um dog placement here.
So, we've got talented dogs, right? The these are not these are not garbage dogs. If there was a firearm in the area, you would think the dogs would
have found it because here are your rankings in the 33rd annual Las Vegas K9
trials of 2025. First place, K9 Scout and Officer Tona with the PO uh Provo
Police Department. Utah County Sheriff's Office checking in at P3 with Low Key.
Low-key checking in at 3P. Uh Utah County Sheriff's Office also picks up P4 and the Provo Police Department with K9
Eddie picking up fifth place. If you name your dog Eddie, you you're probably not very polite to your dog, but that's okay. That's okay. Your dog shouldn't
have human names. Your dog shouldn't be like named Fred. That's not a thing. Um and so we actually have some more pics
from that day. Here is one pic of a particularly terrifying looking animal walking around on campus led by a particularly
terrifying looking individual. Frankly, if we're being honest with ourselves, um this is from that day. A K-9 out there doing his work.
And if you need a yet more proof, and actually we could keep going. I have helicopter footage of these dogs. I've got all kinds of stuff. I can show you
12 minuteswhere they went. Um but here's another dog out there sniffling around. This dog does not look like the big terrifying dog the other one was, but he's he's out
there, man. He's got his nose to the grindstoneone. He's he's sniffing around. He's sniffing around. So, those are your uh that's your evidence that in
the afternoon hours beginning at , lasting until after , there were police dogs all over the joint. police
dogs all over the Now, uh I want to I want to show you a little bit of what Zack Costello covered today because it was it was interesting to me.
I'm I'm not going to show you his whole video here. I'm going to back up and show you ah this one in particular. This part right here was so compelling to me.
You guys remember the footage? The footage that they all came out and said was in excellent 4K high definition. You could see the boogers in his nose. You
could see the strawberry seeds in his teeth. You could see the the hairs hair growing out of his ears. Like it was super. You you not only could see him pull the trigger, but you could see the
trigger action move and you knew it was a two-stage trigger, but I mean it just crazy how detailed they said it was. And then we looked at it and Brandy and Billy were there. They're like, I don't know if it's a cow, is it a person?
Could it be Bigfoot? A space alien?
We're not really sure. We saw a blob, a very small blob at that. Um, but when they initially showed us this footage,
they did not show us the part where the alleged shot was to have taken place.
They actually started it a few seconds later. And I thought that was a little strange, a little interesting. I couldn't figure out why because if you have the footage and you think it shows
a guy taking a shot, show me the footage. What are you waiting on? And I'm not going to play the video. You've all seen it a thousand times. It's him
running across the roof, Spider-Maning down the roof, and then running out into the grass. You guys have all seen it.
We've all seen it. And we noticed that they zoomed kind of suspectly and all this stuff. Well, we now have the unedited footage.
And when you see this unedited footage, you're going to see, I think, why it is that they kept us from looking at it.
Here is the uh footage here. I'll play it on mute just because it doesn't really matter what they're saying because that's not where we're watching at. You see up here on the right hand
side of this parking lot, you've got uh one, two, three, four rows of cars starting at the top.
Ignore rows one and two up here for now.
Look at rows three and four. And then go all the way to the right between these two rows. And you see this white SUV pulling in.
You see that white SUV pulling in? Hold on. Why do I repeat myself? It's annoying. Um, when you have a successful podcast, I will market myself after you.
I will do exactly how you do it. In the meantime, settle down. Settle down. Um, this white SUV is pulling in. I want you
to watch as it drives down the um down the lane here. I want you to watch and see what it does. This is interesting to
me. Very interesting. And then we're going to look at what type of SUV it is and then say, do we see this SUV anywhere else? But watch this for a second. Here comes the SUV turning in.
Now, he turned in. Let me back it up just a hair. This SUV, I want to look at the time stamp here. This is 1223 and .
This SUV turns into the parking lot at 12:23 and . Does anybody know anything interesting about that timing?
actually 1223 and . This is almost to the second that the that the bang happened. Almost to the second that the bang happened.
I'm going to speculate here in a minute, but I I think it's fair to say where my speculation's going. Might this car have been involved? Was it Was it part of the
operation? Watch what the SUV does. So, we're going to go here. 12 23 24 25 26 27 28. Bang. There's your bang.
You've got the guy now standing up and running away. Notice the car has stopped. Completely stopped.
If you look at the top of the roof here, while the car is stopped, you see him making his way across the roof.
Now he's on this little white triangle on the corner of the roof. Car is still stopped. Right here, the car is still stopped. He's now Spider-Maning off the roof.
He's spider-maning off the roof. Car is now just barely going. Now that the guy has jumped off the roof, it's turning slowly around this corner right here.
He's now running off and he's safe. See how this car is going slow and then it nails the gas. As soon as the car realizes this guy's walking off and
going at a pretty brisk pace, this guy nails the gas. He turns here and he gets the heck out of dodge.
I'm gonna play it again now that you know what you're looking for. I'm pointing this out for a particular reason.
I'm pointing this out for a particular reason. Uh let me go back to where he turns in the Oh, that's I'm going too far. Um
the timing is just too incredibly suspect. And now I'm going to speculate that this car was a pickup car in case
he got injured coming off the roof. I'm going to speculate that and I'm going to I'm going to support that in a minute.
This is a pickup car in my opinion in case that guy got hurt h hurtling off the roof.
He turns in almost to the second that the big bang happens. Almost to the second, maybe five, eight seconds before.
And then he stops until the guy runs all the way to the roof. Which means if I'm right, there had to be some kind
of communication so this guy would have been told when he was dropping off the roof so he could start turning to go pick him up if he needed to watch it again.
This blob up here that's supposedly up here in HD taking the shot is still lying down. The car comes to a complete stop right here.
I'll tell you when the blob gets up and start running up there. Oh, he's running across the roof now.
He's almost to the white triangle. Now he's entering the white triangle. The car is still stopped.
The guy's climbing down, spidermaning off the roof. This is a 15, 18 ft roof. It not out of the realm of possibility.
You might break an ankle, sprain an ankle, you know, uh tear up a knee, in which case you would be dead in the water if you didn't have a getaway car.
Now the guy is running across the grass.
This white truck can see he's safe. And watch the acceleration.
He's getting out of there in case he needs to pick him up. He has to get to the end down there to see if he needs to pick him up. Nope. Guy's going that way.
19 minutesAll right, I'm out of here. I don't think I'm wrong about that.
I don't think I'm wrong about that. I don't think I'm wrong about that at all.
In fact, did have we seen that car before? That exact white SUV? Have we had an opportunity to see that before?
Well, now that we've had brilliant Zack Costello pointing this out on the Zack Costello show, I want you to see this
footage here. This is purportedly Tyler Robinson coming into campus.
Look at that car.
That's the same car. The black wheels, white four-door.
It looks like the same car to me. It's got even got the little white thing poking off the back back here.
And Tyler turns around and looks back at it.
And then Tyler stands there. And then the car disappears. Now is is it did they edit this because they didn't want
us to see what that car did? Like I thought maybe they edited it because they didn't want us to see him take a phone call, but is it possible that car
did something else? Maybe stopped for a minute and they chat. I don't know. But they edited the footage so that the vehicle just disappeared. Watch the car again. Watch only the car.
There it goes. It's just off the off the races there. Now you got another car coming up behind him.
Tyler puts his phone back in his pocket.
Now watch. Bends that knee. That right knee is the knee that's supposed to be limpy. He's got a gun down there and he can't bend it. Right. Watch this again.
He's not supposed to be able to use that knee. The right knee is the one that's supposed to be limpy. Watch.
He forgets it's limpy. Oh, I remember now. I got a limp. [laughter] I thought that was pretty funny. The Tylers all over campus was hilarious.
And I'm convinced there were at least two, maybe three. I'm just going to refer to them as the Tylers from now on.
They were all over the place. Tyler's all over the place. Now, there's another interaction with a car that I find particularly compelling.
And I want to ask a question. Have we seen this car again? This is Tyler Robinson in the parking lot. This is
Tyler Robinson in the parking lot. Uh, Zack Costello points out two cars and then he stops and points out a third car. Zack, I apologize that I'm not
using your voice here. I promise he provides excellent commentary. Everybody should go watch him, but I'm not I'm not um
I'm not doing it because I want to talk over it. So So Tyler, that's supposed to be Tyler Robinson there. That's what we're told is that is Tyler Robinson's
great challenger. He pulls up to this parking lot for some unknown reason. We have no idea what he's doing. Notice the arrow to this white SUV here. That is
not the same white SUV we saw in the last two clips. That is a different SUV. This is a Lexus. I believe the other two were Toyotas.
22 minutesSame car, you know, same ultimate car company, but different cars. Um, so let's watch this now. You guys see this?
This guy, there's a guy sitting in this white car here. He's about to get going.
He He does that little lean up everybody does right before they get ready to go.
There he goes. He's leaning again, doing his little lean. Now he takes off. Now watch. Oh, he can't be with Tyler. He went the other way. He He's No, he's
nowhere near Tyler. He's He's go Oh, there he is. And he pulls up behind Tyler and they pull off together.
Now, right before the car pulled up, I want to I want to pay I want you to pay attention to this gray SUV. It's kind of blurry in the very very top up here on the right hand side.
This is a gray SUV. I believe based on my expertise that's some sort of GMC SUV.
You watch it pull up and it kind of comes to a almost it does come to a stop and then it drives off. And when it comes to a stop and drives off, these two cars leave. I'll pull it one more
time in real uh this is actually in fast time. He's got it video spit up, but watch it up here in the top right. Gray SUV comes, stops. When it stops, these
two cars leave. It's almost as if the white SUV, this Lexus that was up here in the front, was waiting to be told,
"I'm almost there. I'm almost there. I'm almost there. Okay, go ahead and circle around and get behind and then they all drove off together.
So the question is, have we seen that gray SUV anywhere? Is that the first and only time we've seen the gray SUV? Have we ever run into that gray SUV before?
In other words, is this part of the story?
Well, let me show you one more clip here. Actually, I'm going to show you two more clips. I think I think I've got the other one pulled up. I'm going to show you one more clip here of this
potentially the same gray SUV on campus because I do believe that SUV that pulled up looks just like this one that's pulling off of UVU's campus after
the Big Bang. Thank you, Adam Bartholome, for making sure you capture every single piece of evidence. That's what that gray SUV looked like that
pulled up and I recognized it because of the way the headlights sit, the way the grill was pictured on that blurry image.
And so that looks a lot to me like the same SUV and it's coming off of campus here
by it close and look directly into the driver's window. But he does not. Alas,
he does not. Um Oh gosh, I put the wrong thing in there.
Uh Daisy, can you drop right here? I I screwed up. Can you drop the um Tyler limping down the street video right there?
I I mislabeled that up. Oh, no. It's right here. It's It's 2B. I got it. Okay, don't worry about that.
I just put it in the I just put it in the wrong spot. Um let me show you if we see this gray SUV. Again,
this is another podcaster. I'll let me give him credit. I don't know who it is. Crime scene 2 courtroom.
Crime scene 2 courtroom. I don't know what that is, but uh this is old, man. I think he put this out like back in September. So, you have Tyler here uh limping down the street.
He's right here. Limping down the street almost to the corner. He gets to the corner and stops.
This guy's playing with the stuff a lot.
Let's see. I don't know what all he's doing. But he gets to the corner and stops. Pulls out his phone.
While he's at the corner stopping and pulling up his phone, notice our gray SUV is back. This is now the
third time we've seen I think that same car. It pulls up. It pulls over out of the lane of travel. So, the way these
streets are structured is there's two lanes of travel in the middle and then there's two parking line lanes on either side of it. You can park on this main
highway. That's the way, for whatever reason, that's how Utah does it, or at least Oram, Utah does it. You can drive down the two lanes. They're opposite
lanes, you know, double yellow lines down the middle. And then on the outside of those two lanes, there's a parking lane. Now, you'll see this guy pulls
over into the parking lane. I'll back it up a little bit again so no one can accuse me of making it looks like he look like he stopped when he didn't. He doesn't completely stop, but he almost
does. He slows way down to just a couple of miles an hour. And you can see he has to turn left back into the travel lane.
See him traveling turning back into the travel lane to get around this parked car over here. So it's clear to me in my
opinion that guy turned out of the lane of traffic, slowed down
to talk to one of the Tylers, and then back out into the lane of travel and then kept going on.
I just don't see how you can see that any other way. Tyler's standing there at a dead stop. This guy pulls out of the
lane of traffic near him. And I am 99.5% convinced that that is the same SUV that
was in the parking lot. You can see the front grill area here. The same SUV in the parking lot and the same SUV potentially on campus on on park in the parking lot, I'm pretty sure.
And so the question becomes, if you believe that Tyler Robinson planned and executed Charlie Kirk, are you asking any of these questions?
Like, who are these people?
Who is in the white SUV that very obviously waited for him to jump off and make sure he was okay before speeding off? You know, the the the whole thing
would have been ruined if he if that guy breaks his ankle and can't move and he doesn't have a 306 in his hand.
The whole game is up. I think that guy was plan B. I think plan A was dependent completely on Tyler Robinson alone. Plan
plan B would be jump in this car, get out of town, and we'll blame it on two people working together and we'll pin it on them, Tyler Robinson and someone else.
And then they probably had a whole plan B set going. We don't know about it because we haven't seen it. We We weren't looking for it. We haven't examined the evidence looking for it.
But when I saw Zack Costello talking about these car passes and and seeing these cars over and over, I thought, "Wait a minute. These are the same cars."
He didn't Zach didn't show the guy walking down one of the Tylers limping down 800 North or 800 South.
But when I saw that SUV pull up in the parking lot and he identified it, I thought, "That's the same SUV that pulled up next to him on 800 South.
It looks like the same SUV.
And I think it presents a major credibility problem to the people opposing us in our investigation into who killed Charlie Kirkow and why.
Because if the most compelling is the SUV that turns in the parking lot, stops at a dead stop at the exact turns in the parking lot at the exact moment the
alleged gunshot happens, stops, waits for the guy to jump off the roof, turn slowly to make sure he's okay, and then speeds out of the parking lot, getting out of the getting away from the scene.
That's to me the most compelling that that the Tylers weren't working alone.
There's somebody else on the on the outside. And then you have the SUV that pulls up beside him, slows down out of the lane of travel, and then goes back
out. That to me is the second most compelling. The third most compelling is what happened in that parking lot where Tyler Robinson or one of the Tylers
pulls up, stops his car, waits for like two solid minutes, and that white SUV does not get ready to turn, circle
around, and get behind one of the Tylers until the gray SUV pulls up and stops.
Then it's time to go. That's a level of coordination you just can't you can't approximate. That's not like set your swatches and we'll be back here at .
That's like, hey, I'm s out. I'm s out. Go ahead and go. That is very sophisticated operation.
It's a very sophisticated operation.
Think about the level of sophistication you would have to have to know precisely when the shot was going to take place.
not when it did take place, but when it was going to take place, cuz you have to drive on campus and you have to turn into the parking lot and be prepared to be the getaway
driver for plan B. I'm I'm just insanely curious. I wish they would have turned their cameras and we had better views inside those cars because I want to know, are they wearing maroon shirts?
[laughter]
Are they all the Tylers? Are these all the three or four different Tylers and they're all also just driving cars? But I get back to it. I think plan B was to
set up two people and they probably had a second fall guy there.
And that second fall guy was supposedly going to be the pickup guy driving him off cuz there's no way that if the guy jumps
off the roof and twist his ankle, they go, "Well, we tried. We were going to pull off a frame job on a guy named Tyler Robinson, but sorry, Bill. I guess
you're going to have to eat it. That's not the way these operations work.
They've got a backup plan and a backup to the backup plan.
The original plan, mind you, was for Tyler Robinson to be framed alone. And that's what happened. But I think part of that plan was for Tyler Robinson to
be taken out so that we're not doing any of this any of this investigation 10 months and 3 days later. Now, speaking of 10 months and 3 days later,
I don't want to show the flight paths on the screen. I thought about showing it on the screen. I don't want to show it on the screen because I accused of harassing people and I don't want to do that.
But I want to describe something.
I want to describe something. Uh, this hearing started on September the 6th, excuse me, uh, July
the 6th. Last Monday, July the 6th, this hearing date started. And we were able to look at the different planes that are
used by these different TPUSA people and get a determination of what time everybody arrived.
Um Erica Kirk's plane we believe arrived around
what time is that? Uh 2550 minus 6 uh 19 7:50 p.m. the night before September
6th. So around 8:00 the night before Erica Kirk we believe flies in on a Gulfream 5.
She flew into Ogden. Stayed in Ogden.
Didn't stay in Salt Lake. Didn't stay in Provo but stay stayed way far north of town. Couple hour drive hour and a half drive away.
And I get it. I I It's the same reason I didn't have any fault with her going in a side door. Um it's safe. Stay way out away from town.
Stay way far away. It's why we never told anyone where she was. It's why we never told anybody we knew what time she arrived. Just wait till it's all over and then we'll recap. That's what we've
done. We've waited till it's all over and she's safely back home. Now we can recap where she's been. No reason to put anybody in any jeopardy. Um, not that that that it would, but no reason for
them to acclaim that we're putting people in jeopardy. It's nonsensical.
It's stupid. But but I don't even want them to have the claim. But she flies in 750 the night before. Her plane does not stop. It keeps going.
It goes to Callisbell, Montana. Ladies and gentlemen, I have to ask you, what in the hell is going on in Callisbell, Montana?
For a little dinky town that almost nobody had heard of before this case started. It gets so many private plane flights from TPUSA affiliated people.
It's uncanny how often they're in Callispel, Montana. I mean, it's absolutely uncanny.
I'll show you why it's weird to me.
Because if you look at Callispel, it's basically a map dot. It's one little tiny um one little tiny map dot. Hold
on. I'm trying to find the main street here. Where's the main street of Callispel? There it is. So, I'm on Main Street here in Callisbell, Montana.
I'm going to give the game away if I show my screen right
there. It is. So, let me show you real quickly what I'm talking about.
This is Callispel. We're talking about I'm not kidding. A legitimate map dot.
Oh, I lost it. [laughter] I apologize. I'm an amateur. All right, let me back up here. I got to do this just right or it won't have the right
effect. All right, this is Callisbell, Montana.
Why are so many TPUSA people flying into Callispel? You'll notice it's just like any other city in America. They've just got some stuff, you know, oldtimey
looking town with just just looking around. It just looks like any small town America. You know, these kinds of buildings here, all this stuff, nothing
to it. And you just turn around in every direction and you think, why would anybody be flying non-stop constantly to
Callispel? What What is that? What is that brand new looking building? Oh,
that's the FBI headquarters. [laughter] They got a bank in there, too. But that's the FBI headquarters for Callispell, Montana. If you look, it
says it's right there. The Federal Bureau of Investigation right there. I don't know if that's what they're doing in Callispel or not, but it's enough to
make you wonder as often as they're going up there.
It makes it feel like this is kind of an FBI operation. So, we notice that. We just We're taking notes. We're listening. We're watching. We're seeing different people go different places. We
watch a plane drop, presumably drop off Erica because that never goes back. Drop off Erica and immediately continue on to Callisbell.
Okay, fair enough. And it goes from Callisbell and it doesn't really matter what it does the rest of the week because Erica Kirk's at the trial. And
so at the end of the week, you figure where where did Erica go by the end of the week? The trial was over on the 10th.
And then we were able to figure it out. She was picked up in Ogden, Utah.
The plane leaves Ogden, Utah at what's that? 2036 - 6 14:30 2:36 p.m. It was a morning ending. Drive up, grab your bags, get on the plane, off you go.
You're leaving Ogden.
And you would figure after 5 days away from home, you would rush home to see your kids. You couldn't wait to just get home and see your kids. Well, not exactly.
Not exactly where they went. In fact, they flew into Manasses, Virginia.
Flew into Manasses, Virginia.
And if you know anything about Manasses, Virginia, uh I'm going to take a screen cap and show you. That way we hide the flight
information. If you know anything about Manasses, Virginia, you will instantly recognize what I'm about to show you. It
was the strangest place you would ever think someone might go immediately following
being in a trial for a week. What's in Manasses, Virginia?
The Marine Base Quantico. What's at Marine Base Quantico? The FBI testing office. Now, Manasses, Virginia. You
say, "Well, that's kind of suburban Washington DC." Yeah, but there are six closer airports to Washington DC than Manasses, Virginia.
In fact, when the FBI director flies to Marine Base Quantico, he flies into
Manasses. We know what planes he flies as well. I thought that was an interesting choice. You know, you you
just you just finished up your whole week. You're dying to get home and see your kids. It's Friday night. You've had a very stressful week. Cried many times.
you've you had to get up and leave court a few times because the testimony was particularly stressful on you. Um you don't rush home.
You don't rush home. You run to Manasses, Virginia.
You run to Manasses, Virginia. Um and then we saw um she finally
leaves the Washington DC area uh on today, right?
Which plane was she on? Look at the She finally leaves Washington um DC on Yeah.
Yesterday. But they don't go home.
She gives her big speech.
Everybody's sharing clips of it. They leave Washington DC, but they don't go back to Scottsdale.
That was yesterday. R they don't go back to Scottsdale. Instead, they go to Dylan, Montana. Little bitty Dylan, Montana.
Tiny, tiny little map dot. They're only there about and then they fly to the next city over called Bosezeman. Just about a 10-minute flight away.
And I couldn't figure out what the connection was between Dylan and Boseman. Like, if you're going to find a Boseman, just find a Boseman. Why would you fly to Dylan and then to Boseman? Do
you know who owns a tremendous amount of property in Dylan, Montana? Rupert Murdoch.
Rupert Murdoch owns a disgusting amount of property in Dylan, Montana.
The top of his property to the bottom of his property is 50 miles.
50 miles. Think of what interstate exit you live near. Think of an interstate exit 50 miles away. That's how much property is in this one piece of property. The big big piece of property.
They bought it from the Koch brothers.
Dylan, Montana. They fly into Dylan, Montana. Then they fly over to Bosezeman. I don't know. Maybe you pick up someone in Dylan and you go to Bosezeman and then you have your
meetings. Um they're there overnight and then leave today.
Leave Boseman back to Dylan for just a short period of time at apparent drop off and then finally back home.
finally back home and then the plane for whatever reason continues on to Las Vegas. I don't know if someone who was also on the plane needed to continue on to Las Vegas or whether that was, you
know, the pilot's like, "Man, a lot of traveling this week. I'm going to go gamble." I don't know. But it's just a weird set of events.
Like, if I had just been through one of the most stressful weeks of my life, I would want to go home. I would want to
go home. And if I'm not speaking till Sunday, maybe I go home on Friday and fly to Washington DC on Sunday. I don't fly to Marine Base Quantico where the
FBI testing headquarters is and then wait a couple of days in the DC area and then drive and then I guess
drive up to Washington DC, give my speech and then fly but not fly home.
Fly to Dylan, Montana and then to Boseman, Montana and then home. I say all this to say, guys,
unless she's paying for this privately, I'm assuming all this is being paid for by TPUSA. I don't know that. I mean, truthfully, I don't audit their books.
But this is not an exaggeration. People like to bang on Candace, oh, Candace makes so much money on an episode or bang on this
creator or that creator. Oh, they make too much money. Those flights, those flights alone, I did a little math
to Ogden to Callispel, Ogden, Quanico, DC
to um to Dylan to Boseman to Dylan and back to Scottsdale.
My back of the envelope math was almost $300,000.
I don't know what percentage of our audience makes $300,000 a year. That was burnt in airline mileage.
in a couple of days. That's a lot.
And it's fair game because they're a nonprofit entity, which means to the extent that they call that a business expense, they don't pay taxes on it. No, it doesn't get charged anyway. Now, it's
possible, like I say, that she could be paying it out of her pocket. Um maybe she say, "Hey, this is a personal flight. Here's $150,000 or whatever, and
I'll just cover the cost. Don't worry about it." It's possible they're charging it to one of the for-profit entities they have.
You know, Charlie was a wealthy man and involved in a lot of business. Maybe he had private flight credits with a bunch of his business. I don't know. I really honestly don't know. But I am mystified.
I am totally mystified why at the end of that week, that stressful week, you didn't fly straight
home. His parents flew straight home. I saw their plane. His parents left about the same time she did. They didn't fly
to Marine Base Quantico. They didn't go to Washington DC. They didn't go to Dylan, Montana. They didn't go to Bosezeman. They didn't go back to Dylan.
They didn't go back to Scottsdale. They went home. They flew to Chicago.
It's been a long week, a very stressful week. They lost their son. There was a preliminary hearing with the guy accused of taking their son's life. Sure was very uh taxing on them. He went home.
They went home.
I think she should have gone home if I'm being honest. I think she should have gone home. But that's up to her. I mean, it's her life. She can live whatever
life she wants. I do want to know where the where the kids were this whole time. I am curious about where the kids were.
All right, we're going to switch gears.
I got to show you the Lance Twigs testimony. We have a few timestamps here uh set out for you. Uh, I want to clarify as I go through this. I'm going
to clarify one piece of confusion that has reigned supreme all week. Um, it will come up early, so you'll know the
44 minutesmoment I clarify it. Uh, but let me play this testimony.
Uh, not in its entirety. We're going to skip around a little bit. It's long. I don't want to spend the whole . All right, we're going to open here.
How well did Lance Twigs know Tyler?
How well, wrong one. How well did Lance Twigs know Tyler? Should be easy, right? This is the furry boyfriend.
And do you know Tyler Robinson? Yes, I do. Or Yeah, I do.
Do you or don't you?
Do you know Tyler? I mean, that's you know, if somebody came up to me and they're like, "Do you know Bill Smith?" and Bill Smith lived in my house until
September 10th. I'd be like, "Yes, I know Bill Smith. He lived in my house." I wouldn't have to stop, pause, look up at this guy, think about it. And do you know Tyler Robinson?
Yes, I do. Or Yeah, I do. Yeah, I do.
45 minutesYeah, I know. T I know Tyler. Um, what does Tyler Robinson do for a living? Actually, hold on. I want I had
one more thing I wanted to share here that's not in notes. And I think I closed them out.
Let me let me uh real quickly let me go to the uh transcript.
Okay. Yeah. Um so I'm going to go to where he talks about when did he meet Tyler Robinson. So here we are back.
When did you meet Tyler Robinson?
All right. Um, okay. Sorry about that interruption. All right. So, you said when you first met met you were roommates.
There's been a lot of confusion that he said met Matt as if the guy's name was Matthew and he's nicknaming it down to Matt. When you met Matt, you were
roommates. That's not at all what he's saying here. Um, I'm going to back it up a little bit and then put it in context. It makes a lot more sense.
So, I think this one's mic is on. Okay. Sorry.
Okay. You don't have my mic, but that's fine. Okay. Okay. So, we should be good. All right.
I don't think I backed it up enough. No, I didn't.
Just to make a record, I'm going to do it again. You just And will you describe your relationship
with with Tyler uh when you first met him? Anyway, um when I first met him, I didn't know
him super well. He was just a new roommate. So that's what he's referencing. When you first met him, he's like, "Well, when I
first met him, I didn't know him very well. He was just a roommate." And then he goes on to say, "He actually met him before that, not in person." Uh,
I knew he knew my friend group and I knew he liked playing games, but that that's about it when we first uh like when he first moved in.
Okay.
47 minutesUm, before we go on, I And now he changes. Now, let's go back.
That's the context for this next question where he talks about, okay, so when you first met met him, meaning you were aware of him, you guys may have
played games, he was part of your friend group, but when you met met him, meaning when he moved in? Yes. Okay, great.
All right. Um, okay. Sorry about that interruption. All right. So, you said when you first met met you were roommates. Uh, yeah.
Okay. And then, um, at some point, uh, your relationship progressed to something more than just roommates, right? Mhm. When was that?
Did that seem very confident? Mhm. Mhm.
I don't think they were lovers. I see no evidence of it. I don't think they were boyfriend. I think that is a totally
madeup thing of this. I I just don't believe it. They don't This guy doesn't act like it at all.
Um I think we started dating two or three months after he moved in.
Okay. And where did you live at that time?
And he says they lived at the um at the apartment where they eventually was.
Okay. Now, let's skip forward to do you even know what Tyler does? Okay. We're
told this is a guy that Tyler Robinson literally took a life for. He was so in love. He was so taken by him.
Construction. Okay. How about Tyler?
Um I think he was both working. I think he was working for an electric like an electrician company then and he was also
in a trade school for being a I don't know higher like ranking electrician.
I'm not sure how the trade system works for that. Okay. But I think he was both. What was his typical workday like?
He didn't even know like did he go to school, what days, what time did you know? He didn't know any of that. It's almost like he was just sort of a
passive roommate. A guy who was part of the friend group and he moved in. Um, I think you'd leave around 7 generally and
49 minutesget back around 3 to 4, uh, depending on like where the job was and how long it was for the day.
I want you to listen to his voice for a second.
We already said that there's no way that someone would kill Charlie Kirk over the L, the G, or the B in LGBT if they know
anything about Charlie Kirk. If they follow him closely enough to be willing to take his life, it can't be over the LG or B. If they
know anything about Charlie Kirk and anything about TPUSA, the place is literally crawling with L's, G's and B's. I mean, it's eaten up with the place.

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So, it has to be the T.
Is there anything in this guy's a effect, anything in his voice, anything in his appearance that makes you think he's a T?
And then on certain days of the week during school like semesters he would then
50 minuteslater in the day I think around five or six go to school. So yeah.
Okay. Let's jump to September 10th. Um did he spend spend the night in the apartment the night of September 9th into September 10th?
September. Yeah he did.
Yes. Do you know someone's coaching him, too?
Someone's like, "Yes, you have to give a clear yes." Cuz he's like, "Yeah, he did." Yes.
Someone's coaching this guy into There are a lot of people in the room. There's only one guy on camera. There's this Sarah Varner. She's a victim's rights
advocate. David Sturgil, I think. I don't know what that guy does. But there are other people in the room. It's not just the two of them because there was a woman who came up and she's not one of
them and she was fiddling with the microphone and you can see him looking at other people the apartment on September 10th.
Um I don't know an exact time. I just know he left early. Uh I heard him leaving and he just said he had a like a
long drive to work that day. So he was leaving early.
Yeah. So early. Um any guess as to what um when that was? Uh,
I don't know. I would have thought it was 5:00 a.m. because that's when like an early work day was for him, but it was probably more like 4.
Okay. You would have thought five, but then I'm going to look at somebody and now I'm going to say four.
Did you see that? Like you don't you don't change your estimation in the middle of a sentence.
I would have thought maybe like 5:00 a.m. Oh, it I think four when that was uh I don't know. I would have thought it
was 5 a.m. because that's when like an that's him looking up at somebody. So he's looking over he's looking past
there. He's looking up at early work day was for him but it was probably more like okay
his gum just to make sure that I can do that. to hit you right in front of your laptop. All right, here you go.
All right, let's jump forward ever so slightly.
What was Lance doing on the biggest news day in Utah history?
What time did you get up on September 10th? Probably like 12 to 100 p.m.
Yeah, probably around uh after it was over. So, I definitely wasn't there. I was just asleep. That's my alibi. I'm sticking to it. I was snoozing. officer.
I promise you didn't have to work that day. Uh, no.
Didn't have to work that day. A Wednesday.
He does bluecollar uh remodeling and construction.
Tyler had to take the day off of work cuz he also does bluecollar construction type work. Just a couple of bluecollar
construction gay guys.
\ou know, the blueco collar construction fields just eating up with with trans and furries
and he just mysteriously didn't have to work on a Wednesday and he just slept until after it happened. I was just sleeping. Notice he never again asked him what he did the rest of the day.
And did you hear from Tyler? Did he call or text you before then?
Uh, no. He sent that message in the group chat I mentioned, but he didn't message me directly at all.
And we talked about this, but I want to show it because I think it's relatively critical to whether or not Lance Twigs is an honest human being. I think the
answer to that question is pretty obvious. No, he's not. Um, but he says he didn't hear from Tyler that day. He
sent a message in the group chat, meaning probably the Discord chat if I had to guess. He he sent a message to the group chat, but I didn't hear from
him directly. Except the phone text you show says you did hear from him at 4:33 p.m. on Wednesday.
While Tyler Robinson is out scrambling to get his gun allegedly. While Tyler Robinson is trapped in Orum for a little longer yet because they they're police
dogs and police cars and he can't get back.
There's a text message from Tyler Robinson at 4:33 p.m. that he says he didn't get. The problem is he responded
to it allegedly in my opinion. That's what this evidence seems to suggest. I don't know how many of these are fake. I don't believe all of them are real.
But I don't believe Lance Twigs is a credible guy.
Has anybody double checked to see whether Lance Twigs was supposed to work that day?
or was Wednesday his day to sleep till 12 or 1 and then be unaccountable for the rest of the day and have no alibi,
nobody identify where he is, nobody to to to tell you that they saw him, even though his DNA is all over the crime scene.
We're just not going to worry about it.
We're going to take his word for it. Oh, you were sleeping? Good. Good night. I hope it was good.
It's a it's it's a little suspicious to me. He's a dishonest human being.
According to his text, he's dishon engraving bullets.
Which is, by the way, one of the most insane things in the history of the world. No one would ever say, "Remember how I was engraving bullets." Even if you were engraving bullets,
you wouldn't say, "Remember how I was engraving bullets?" that wouldn't come out of your mouth. Was he engraving bullets before this?
Uh yeah, I don't remember exactly when, but uh he had said he was planning to go hunting with his family. Um and he asked
me for a if we had like a Dremel to because he said he wanted to create messages on bullets.
Um and I just told him where Dremel was and I told him to make sure he doesn't like set off a bullet on accident in the house.
Yeah. Be careful out there playing with bullets. It's dangerous work. Just Just be careful, would you, honey, my love,
my sweet, do they sound Do does that interaction does this guy's a effect sound like somebody who's texting my
love this and it's all I did it all for you my love and my love this and my does his interaction sound anything like
someone who talks like that? Does he talk like that? like this like this uh 16th century Shakespeareian pros
or does he sound like a brain deadad zombie mentally ill 22-year-old because that's kind of how he appears. That's sort of his mental history that's been released publicly.
But I didn't really think about it until then.
How long before um September 10th was this that you he asked about the Dremel?
I I don't remember cuz he'd been talking about the uh hunting camping trip for a couple months.
This is a kid Tyler Robinson who has for months
been talking about this family trip he's going to take.
This hunting and camping trip. Not something he sounds like he's ah I got to get roped into this. No, he's looking forward to He's talking about it for months.
He doesn't present in that retelling as the type of kid who's like to hell with my old man. He's too MAGA. I'm taking lives.
He sounds like a decent kid who like likes to hunt with his dad, fish, did some boy scout activities growing up.
And the reason I bring that up is not to say, "Oh, I'm super pro Tyler Robinson." I'm just saying it doesn't sound like it's consistent with the evidence that
we've been presented about him. It sounds like someone who for a couple of months was looking forward to taking a family
trip with his old man, his ultra meagga old man.
But I I don't remember when he was specifically asking to engrave the bullets. So So are we talking like a year before?
Oh, no. Not not that not that long. It would have been I'd say at most a month before this. Got a problem now though, guys.
At most a month before this. Okay, so for a month he's engraving bullets for an event to kill Charlie Kirk that Charlie Kirk doesn't announce until a
week or week and a half before that timeline doesn't add up. That's a
problem. Or was he just engraving bullets on the off chance a high-profile political figure was going to make his way to Oram, Utah at some point or St.
George?
It doesn't sound like the story we've been told. Sounds like a different event.
This guy maybe a month before is out there engraving. Remember how I was engraving bullets? Oh yeah, I was engraving bullets.
It wasn't announced a month before.
wasn't announced that early. All right, let me fast forward a little bit to the next little slice here.
What happened to the note? You got a note, right? This is the critical piece of evidence, the handwritten note.
Okay. Uh the notes have been titled 16.3 with a note
and this is base number 58. Do you recognize that that on the screen there? Yeah. Yeah.
What do you recognize it as?
Um, that was the note under his keyboard that he was referring to in the first text of that chain.
So, where did you find this?
On on his desk underneath his like uh computer keyboard.
on the desk underneath his computer keyboard, meaning he has access to his computer, physical access.
If he's a roommate and they play the same games, maybe he has access to the login credentials, you know, the password to access the computer. If you have my password to my computer, you can
send text out in my name. Uh, I would say a good chunk of the texts I send during the day are done on my computer and not on my phone. But they do appear
on my phone. They do appear on my phone, but they're actually sent from this keyboard right here.
That's a a weird thing about the way Apple works. So, what happened to the note? You found the note. It's critical piece of evidence. We were told the note was burned.
And what you I assume you read it.
Yeah.
And then what did you do with it after you read it?
Um, I believe I just put it back down on the desk after I took a picture of it.
I believe I just put it back on the desk after I took a picture of it. I think I did.
Never saw it again. Well, if you don't believe me, I'll play it. He goes on to say he never saw it again.
Okay. And again, the time you read it was probably around 11:00 or so on the 10th. Yes. The night of September 10th.
Mhm.
Right. And did you ever see that again after you placed it back on his desk? Uh, no. I don't think I did.
I don't think I saw it again. I placed it back down. I took a picture of it. I had to preserve this critical piece of evidence, but I don't think I ever saw it again.
How how do you not know if you saw it again? Like, do you do you observe anything and remember it? Like, are you
the kind of It's a pretty big deal. Your roommate confessed allegedly to murder in this note. You
thought enough of it to take a picture of it. Then you set it on the desk and you can't remember if you ever saw it again.
And do you recognize this series of messages here?
Um, yeah. That was the server of like his friend that I was mentioning.
Okay. And this is your phone again? Uh yeah. Again, I would recognize my phone.
Particularly if it was all beat up in that condition. I wouldn't be like, "Uh, yeah, I guess. I guess I I guess I do." We think we know what messages these
are. We're not 100% sure we know what messages we are, but we think we know what messages we are. these are we think these are these messages here.
He said, "Do you recognize these?" And he said, "Yeah, I think that's the server that his friends group was on." And this is these series of messages.
And it has this fatal. Now, keep in mind this time stamp is an hour ahead because where it was captured in the central time zone, not the mountain time zone where it was allegedly drafted.
So, this zealous monkey 55095, this purports to be Tyler Robinson down here.
But these up here allegedly are his friends. These are his friend group up here.
Again, I I don't I don't know if if I've seen no evidence from anyone to say who actually grafted any of those
messages or those friends at all. I do know that Discord makes me really nervous. I don't
I don't love Discord. I also know that I would recognize my phone if you put my phone up and it was in that particularly that condition with the holes all over
it and the screen all cracked. I would recognize it immediately. Immediately.
Now, here is a an interesting discussion about um the messages that took place on September 11th. Yeah, it looks like the
last text from Tyler looks like it's um 8:00 PM. And do you know what day this would have been 8:00 PM on the 10th or the 11th?
Uh I would think that would be the 11th because on at least I think so because I
don't think on the 10th that he messaged anyone before me at like 11. So and he turned himself in on the 11th, right?
I thought so. Yeah.
I just I just feel like the boyfriend would know the the date he turned himself in. Like none of us here would strugg I I think
he turned himself into the like this is and we're just like passive people and he supposedly was interviewed that
same day at 1:00 in the morning. Like this should be seared in his mind. How often do you get interviewed by the FBI?
It may be maybe maybe some more than others, but uh ideally not very often. Not very often.
Again, those messages covered from September 10th to the evening of September 11th. Now, September
um 11th. What time did or did you see however on September 11th? Uh yes.
When did you first see him? On September 11th. So, this is the day after the shooting.
Yeah, I saw him when I woke up. Um, like I said, he was like up and around doing a lot of stuff around the house.
Now, this is a little bit of an inconsistency.
This is a little bit of an inconsistency here because not the text messages they showed in the preliminary hearing, but the text messages we have in our records
that were on the probable cause affidavit, the search warrants. You remember we built out a whole timeline of different text messages
and Lance Twig supposedly was at his mom's house and remember he needed to find some excuse to get out of the house and he had to he had to oh I'll tell my
mom I'm going to do laundry. I'll see you in a little bit. Now this would have all been like 7 8 9 in the morning.
But now he's seeing Tyler Robinson when he wakes up.
That's not consistent with what we were told.
That is a total difference of what we were told. You can't you can't say, "Oh, I saw him when I woke up."
And also say, "We had this whole long exchange where I was at my mother's house celebrating her birthday at 9:00 a.m. and looking for an excuse to get
out of the house." And those were text messages they gave us, the public. Well, they put them in court filings that eventually became
made public. And and that's what we looked at. And so, how do you square that circle?
There's just a lot of things in here that are not consistent with what was represented to us as an airtight,
loctite, perfect case. Open and shut case.
We were told it was an open andsh shut case. Let me uh keep rolling here. I don't have too many more cuts off of this.
Um, and then I uh I think I saw him after that message where I said I'll come home
and say I'm doing laundry because I didn't want him going to my parents' house right then when he said there was
probably cops outside. So I went back home and it was just him there.
So now he backing off of the story. He says, "I saw you when I woke up." And it's almost as if somebody in the room is like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What are you doing?
You're not supposed to see him in the house. You're not supposed to see him when you wake up. You're supposed to be at your mom's house." Oh, so I think I saw him after, you know, we had this
series of So did you see him when you woke up or not?
Like that's the answer. That's the question. You've given two different scenarios here in . Did you see him when you woke up or did you see him, oh, I didn't want him coming to my parents house, so I went over there.
Or are you saying I woke up at my parents house? In which case, why were you asleep at your parents house? You have your own place.
I said bye to him and then he drove off. So I just went back to my parents house.
Yeah, I just went back to my parents house erratically. Um was he pacing? Was he just sitting down relaxing?
No, he was he was uh walking around a lot. And that's within the home.
Um, and did you see his lips move at all when he said that? That he was walking around a lot. Go back and watch this again. Just
watch his face here. Did his lips move at all when he says this?
Erratically. Um, was he pacing? Was he just sitting down relaxing?
No, he was he was walking around a lot.
Is it ventriloquist? He's throwing his voice. He was walking around a lot.
He's talented ventriloquist, but I didn't see his voice move. But we can't just have the text messages because people can say, "Well, anybody
could send the text messages." We've got to put his confession in his own mouth.
And that's what they're seeking to establish here. Not only did he confess by text, not only did confess by letter, he also confesses with his own mouth.
That's within the home. Mhm.
Um, and did he talk about what he had done?
Uh, didn't go into detail. He just I just asked him in person if what he said was true the night before and he said it
was. I started crying a little bit and said he wishes he hadn't done it
and then kept going around and just doing stuff I think to keep himself busy or distracted or something.
Through this whole exchange his lips don't move right. I mean, I granted there are technical glitches and computer glitches and it's not the
highest quality footage, but I'm very concerned if I'm being honest that there
might have been dubbing over things or I I really don't know. Like they went back and cleaned it up because he didn't say the right thing the first time cuz he's
he's shaking his head like he's like, "No, he didn't say anything." Go back and I'm going to play just a few more seconds of this. I want you to watch his lips, watch his head, and then compare
it to what you hear coming out of his mouth. He just I just asked him in person if what he said was true the night before and he said it was. I
started crying a little bit and said he wishes he hadn't done it and then kept going around and
just doing stuff I think to keep himself busy or distracted or something. Am I the only one on earth that sees that his
lips don't match what he's saying and that his head movements are not consistent with what he's saying? Like
you wouldn't shake your head no during that?
Yeah, he just was telling me all about what he did. Oh, sorry. Hold on. Yeah, tell me all about what he did. He's confessing to the whole thing. He just says he wish you didn't do it. Uhhuh.
Yeah, that's exactly what he said.
It's not consistent. It doesn't look right. And if we're going to accept this as probable cause evidence,
you at least need to record it in a way that I can see his mouth move. There are court reporting services that specialize in video depositions.
They don't do it on Zoom when they're sitting across the table from each other. Now, you might have to use Zoom if one guy's in New York and
the other guy's in LA, but you don't do it this way on Zoom when you're across the table from each
other, in my opinion, unless you intend to manipulate the evidence.
Get a court recording service in there and record his face. We were doing this in like 2005, 6, 7.
You would go to a video deposition and there would be a professional videographer there and they would have their lights out and their really big cameras. Cameras were bigger back then,
20 years ago, guys. They'd have these giant cameras and they'd have these big lights and they would test it. All right, say count to eight. 1 2 3 4.
Okay, we're good. We're good.
because with his mouth moving that way, you could go back and edit anything in on top of what he just said and no one would know.
Now, maybe there is a court reporter there who's who's transcribing it. We haven't seen the transcription. We just got the video.
But this is the type of stuff you do.
This is why I'm saying Tyler Robinson is in grave danger. This is the type of stuff you do if you don't plan on Tyler Robinson going to trial. If you don't
plan on Tyler Robinson breathing oxygen and Lance Twig sitting on a courtroom dock
giving testimony cuz I think it's ludicrous. The lawyer's voice the lawyer's mouth always moves.
His head's bob consistently with what he's saying.
Okay. So, you talk about what he was going to do next.
Uh, and then we got to turn the screen off because we even our edits look too bad.
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And then eventually said that he would talk to his parents or turn himself over.
Okay. And uh when you left, was that how you you left understanding that he was going to turn himself in or go to his parents house?
Yeah. And I didn't really want to be at our apartment while any of that was happening, regardless of what went down.
Okay.
I I'm just I'm telling you right now, I don't believe this. I don't believe that in the year 2026, even if everything's
true, even if every word out of his mouth is the exact word he uttered that day, I cannot believe in 2026 we're going to make a probable cause determination based on this.
Not have a witness in the courtroom, not have it in writing where he signed it, but just have him giving a videotape
where his lips don't move, his head bobs inconsistently, it glitches out all over the place. And that's what we're gonna submit to your honor, Judge Tony Graph.
Um, okay. Before he came home, had you seen
the press the press releases um any of the media on on this?
I'd seen one Instagram like link a friend of mine had sent in our group chat,
but I hadn't really looked into it at all. Do you guys want to guess what that Instagram link was? I know what it was.
I'll tell you right now what it had to be.
It had to be about somebody getting detained because if that's the only thing he saw, if that's absolutely the only thing he
saw, then it had to be that because from his text messages
right off the bat, he says, "Drop what you're doing looking at the keyboard." What? You're joking, right? Blank. I tried to delete that. I'm still stuck in
Orum. Shouldn't be longer. You weren't the one who did it, right? I am. I thought they caught the person.
So, if the only thing he knew about the Charlie Kirk case
was that they caught the person, I just closed the wrong screen. If the only thing he knew about the case was that he
caught the person, then they had that had to be what the link was about. Because otherwise, once
again, we have an inconsistency with his 1102 deposition because that's what the text said. He
said he was aware they caught somebody and the only thing he saw was a single Instagram link. It's weird to me that that's the only thing that he saw on
Instagram. He's on Instagram and that's the that's all he comes across. The only thing he sees.
What's my time stamp here? I had to open it. All right, let's go to the FBI picks.
This is the fun part for me. And we talked about this the other day, but even better in light of the fact that they have multiple Tylers running
around. Even better. Now, let me pull it up. Apologize for the technical delays, my friends.
I'm on the FBI's website. Um, you can see the URL there at the top. This is some press release about this event. Um,
and here on the screen, you can see these there's looks like there's two.
Now, I want you to know he has shown him all six pictures already.
So I if if if he recognized him in any of these pictures, it should jump off the screen at him and he should have no question it's him.
He has looked now at all six pictures.
He rolled through the first three, then he rolled for the second three before he even asks the question. Three images.
Mhm. Um do you recognize the person in these images?
And when he says, "Do you recognize the person?" he rolls back up so you can see the face in all six images.
I wouldn't say with a 100% certainty. All right, we're going home, guys.
That's reasonable doubt. The money line in any trial is that's him right there. That's him. That's the guy who
did it. I'm 100% certain he's sitting right there at the defense council's table. Let the record reflect that the witness has pointed to the defendant,
Mr. Bill Smithers, and he cannot state it. and he just
looked at all six pictures just because of camera quality. But that looks like him in terms of the shoes he's wearing, the sunglasses.
I don't think I'd specifically seen him wearing that hat, but he was usually wearing a hat. Um, and then jeans. So,
it definitely, especially the bottom, the last two definitely do look like him.
And again, we can't really see what his face in that little bitty camera thing up there. We can't see who he's looking at. We can't tell where his eyes are.
This is not a professionally done deposition. This is a Zoom call taking place across the table from each other.
But try to look at his face. I can imagine cuz he's saying he can't definitively identify him. And then all of a sudden he decides, "No, in fact, I can. That definitely looks like him."
He was usually wearing a hat um and then jeans. So it definitely especially the
bottom the last two. It almost sounds like the cut in the Charlie Kirk thing.
Something ever happens to me, we've got a good board, they'll figure it out. I appoint Erica. She'll do a great job.
But but guys, that that sounds like it was a jump cut. Listen again for the jump cut here.
He was usually wearing a hat um and then jeans. So it definitely especially the
bottom the last two definitely do look like him. Sounds like a jump cut.
And you can't see with his little bitty face up there what his mouth is doing, what his eyes are doing. You can't tell,
but it sounds like it was cut in. No one talks like that normally. I I would I have to struggle to do it. I'll try to do it one more time. And listen to the
effort, the painstaking effort, tens of thousands of hours of broadcast training in order to pull this off. This
is not an easy feat, guys, but I'll do it. Ready? Uh, I can't state with 100% certainty.
Uh, I mean, it does kind of look like him. Uh, he's got shoes on. Tyler always wore shoes. Um, I've never seen that hat in particular, but he was a big hat guy.
He loved hats, so he So, he's wearing a hat. That's Oh, and sunglasses. He liked sunglasses and shirts. He had a shirt on. It definitely looks like him 100%.
I play it one more time. I think this is damning. a hat. Um, and then jeans. So,
it definitely, especially the bottom, the last two definitely do look like him. And then the emphasis on do.
It definitely the bottom two. It definitely the bottom two do look like him.
You just like a second ago, you'd looked at all six pictures and you couldn't state with 100% certainty and all you could say is he had on jeans. He like jeans. He's a big jean guy. big into
denim, blue jeans, black jeans, supposedly gay, maybe wore white jeans.
We don't know. We don't know. But it sounded like a jump cut.
Are you saying that they might have fiddled with this? Yes. Yes, I am saying that the guy's lips don't move at
critical junctures of the of the testimony. He's sitting there with a blank expression on his face and words are coming out of his mouth. And then
the most critical part of the testimony, the ID where you where we're supposed to believe that the Tylers are all the same Tyler.
And he's like, I don't know, I can't really tell. I do think it looks like him, though, especially those bottom two. I do. I do. I do do.
Now, you must believe, ladies and gentlemen, if a man is willing to take on a political assassination, he must
have been huge into politics. It must have been all he talked about. It must have been on his mind constantly, right?
And group on to play. And he was someone that my friends invited.
Okay. Um, did you and he ever talk about politics?
Um, he did more than me. Uh, I I didn't really still don't really keep up with
politics very much. Uh, he usually talk about stuff he heard on the radio on his drive to work in like their work car
since it sounds like their whole crew went in the same car most of the time.
But, uh, I wouldn't say super consistently because it wasn't a topic I really contributed much on.
Hey Daisy, do you have the Jordan Peterson uh link you can drop in there?
Um just put it under uh 3S2 if you can. Um
th this this does not sound or Andrew Taylor one. doesn't sound to me like a particularly convincing
uh support for the fact that Tyler Robinson planned and executed Charlie Kirk over politics.
Some hate can't be negotiated out. It was on my mind constantly.
I even engraved bullets for the special occasion sometime in the last month or so.
About Charlie Kirk. Did he ever talk about Charlie Kirk?
I I personally had never heard him talk about Charlie Kirk before specifically.
Oh man, I don't want to spoil the surprise if you're new to the show, but uh
[clears throat]
Charlie Kirk's the guy he shot allegedly in my well in the state's opinion.
He never talked about him. Never never dawned on him to never dawned on him to to bring him up
even though he planning to take his life away and he's so much hate you couldn't negotiate out of him and and he did it all for Lance
but he never bothered to bring him up never actually spent any time talking about it.
Okay. Um how about um political issues? So did you ever talk
about gender identity issues and LGBTQ rights? Uh, no. Not not really.
No, not not LGBTQ stuff either. Nope.
Didn't talk about that. Not Charlie. Not really talked about much political.
Yeah. Every now and then he'd mentioned something that the boys had talked about on their blueco collar job when they crammed themselves into the car as bluecollar people tend to do. Just a
couple of bluecollar gays living together in Utah. It's like 98% Republican.
But we never talk politics. Never talk politics. Never talk gay stuff. I mean, may talked a little gay stuff, but not that gay politics.
Um, uh, usually if he did talk about politics stuff, it was uh relating to
Trump or current like policies being uh, again, I it feels like a cue happened
there. I want to go back and and let it just run in real time without the pause.
He doesn't talk about Charlie Kirk. He doesn't talk about LGBTQ stuff. He doesn't talk about politics. And then there's like a there's a sudden decision to change your mind.
All of a sudden, he does talk about Trump issues. So, did you ever talk about gender identity issues and LGBTQ rights?
Uh, no, not not really. Um uh usually if he did talk about politics
stuff, it was uh relating to Trump or current like policies being uh like
issued or voted voted on. I think I think
we were sold a different story.
We were sold a completely different story.
We we were told this was a political assassination and it was motivated by
the amount of hate Charlie Kirk had and he was so motivated by it he actually never talked about it.
He he was so motivated by it never came up and and he he the hate was was was about
uh trans rights or gay rights or something. But dog gone it, he never really talked about that either. I mean, occasionally he would talk about a particular policy that's being voted on.
I don't even talk about particular policies being voted on. And much to your guy's annoyance, sometimes you you text me on certain things that are being voted on. I'm like, "Yeah, we're not
really talking about that tonight."
[laughter]
Oh, that's fine, D. Don't worry about it. Um, but it's it's it's a uh it is not the story we're told. For example,
we were told he confessed to his parents and they turned him in. It was a key critical part of the narrative of Tyler Robinson did it. We told he's motivated
by hate. We didn't get any evidence of that. We didn't get any evidence his parents turned him in.
We were told he was motivated by uh this left-wing ideology, you know, this this gay trans stuff.
I have a I have some Daisy's good. She tracked him down on Reddit of all places.
And this is Lance on Reddit on a Jordan.
He's on a Jordan Peterson Reddit. This is subreddit. Jordan Peterson Lancelot three here talking.
People need to stop putting themselves in boxes because political parties don't care about any of their people. They just want money. Was five years ago.
I mean, does it sound again like a particularly political person? And if so, he's more
on the Jordan Peterson side. Um maybe we'll in the in the coming days, maybe we'll show you some more of his Reddit post. There are a lot of them. He was very active on Reddit.
uh talking about he's I mean appeared at least in my opinion to be a fan of Andrew Tate,
Jordan Peterson. Like these are not rabid leftwingers.
These are people that the rabid leftwingers hate. Even mainstream Republicans hate.
So is this consistent with what we were sold?
This is the openandsh case. No, it's not.
We got a we got a kid who can't even identify him until his lips stop moving and then they're like, "Oh yeah, that's definitely him. That's definitely him. I
swear that's 100% him."
Look, we may get to the end of this and maybe it'll be so obvious Tyler Robinson did it. Maybe it'll be one of those things where you just can't avoid that
reality and nobody would ever question that Tyler Robinson did this.
And if we get to that point, then your humble host will be the first one to get up here and be like, "That is an open-end shut case."
But anyone right now who's telling you it is an openand shut case is not being honest with you. Anyone telling you right now this is one of the clearest cut cases they've ever seen in criminal
law is not being honest with you. I saw someone today was like, you know, it doesn't have to be on camera in order to be a crime. Well, no, but you got to have some evidence.
All the evidence can't come through the the the roommate whose DNA is all over the crime scene. [laughter]
That's called reasonable doubt. The roommate, by the way, who doesn't have an alibi? His alibi is I was asleep.
Okay.
What else were you doing? Why weren't you working on a Wednesday, dude?
And why why is your roommate I mean I I'm sorry. I don't believe he was I I'll state it right now. I don't believe they were in a gay relationship. I just
don't. I think I think we were sold that as a motivating factor.
I don't believe I've seen no evidence of it. He doesn't look like it.
And when I say look like it, I don't mean that you like tell by looking at somebody, but he doesn't act like it. He doesn't he doesn't it doesn't support the narrative. They stayed in separate
bedrooms. They started out just as roommates. They he doesn't know where he works. He doesn't know what time he normally leaves or what he you know I think he might be in school or something. I don't know.
The kid was going like excited to go hunting with his dad. He'd been talking about it for months.
That's just not what we were sold.
And I think had Tyler died, we would have all believed it. I know. I think I would have
just all believed it. There might have been a few people that are around there like you take you back to 911.
I've come a long way on that.
But I remember for the first few years, at several years on 911, I would see someone say, you know, jet fuel can't melt steel beams. Stop be
like, "Oh god, here we go." Control demolition wasn't terrorist dancing Israelis. Oh, come on, guys.
This is so stupid. [clears throat] You know, but after a while, you kind of look at it, you're like, why were they dancing? [laughter] And
what happened to that company they owned? Why was it a fraud? Where'd they all go?
Why were they holding lighters up in front of the World Trade Center and taking pictures of themselves? That's a little weird. The whole thing's a little weird.
And now that I think about it, why did building 7 fall anyway? Like it took me like 10 years before I knew building 7 fell. I think it was in the 201s and someone said something about building
seven. I was like, "What are you talking about? What's building seven?" That was a red pill moment for me. Went back and watched the footage and I was like, "Oh, wait a minute. That they said on the
news that the building had fallen and it hadn't fallen yet and then it fell and it fell like that. It just fell in on itself. Why did anyone tell me it fell?"
We talked about the Pentagon that conveniently there's no pictures of anything striking. That we talked about the World Trade Center one and two. We
talked about Shanksville, Pennsylvania, where they didn't find much of a plane. Why is no one mentioned building seven?
It took me years to figure this out or to come around on the issue. I don't know that I figured it out, but I've I've at least evolved on the issue or devolved depending on your perspective.
And maybe years from now, I would have looked back and been like, that doesn't really look like a 30 odd six to the neck if I'm being honest.
But when Tyler Robinson turned himself in and the whole case started, in my opinion, falling apart, and they kept telling us, oh, his parents turned himself in, his parents
turned himself in, his parents turned himself in. And I knew people who personally had spoken to the family.
They're like, they're lying. We did not turn him in. Like, we might have driven him there, but we didn't tell him he did it because he didn't tell us he did it.
Now, I thought, wait a minute. Why are they telling us that he confessed to you if he didn't confess to you?
Why? Why? Why are we being told this?
And so, maybe we would have started to come around. Maybe. But I don't know.
I don't know that we would have.
And I think that was the plan. I think we saw plan B today.
Plan B was if the guy jumping off the roof hurt himself on his way down, he would be picked up by the white SUV and then they have to frame two pies. That
was plan B. I'm pretty confident on that now. There's no reason that car stopped, entered exactly as the shot took place.
shot came to a dead stop until the guy jumps off the roof and then turns and accelerates as soon as he sees he's fine.
There's no reason for that. And it and it happens to look awfully lot like the exact same car that had just pulled up to Tyler Robinson,
one of the Tylers uh as he was coming onto campus maybe earlier.
Looked like the same car to me. Why is this car hanging around this guy so much?
It's almost like he knew something was going to happen. And what's up with this gray GMC SUV that's following everywhere
that seems to be in the parking lot coming to a complete stop right as Tyler's pulling out right as an SUV pulls around behind him? And why did that SUV seem to wait until the the
white SUV why did it seem to wait until the gray SUV was in the parking lot before it circled around behind them so they could all leave together?
And why does that same gray SUV seem to be pulling up beside him out of the lane of traffic? It seems to be the
same car to me. It looks identical. How many of them can there be? It's not a late model car. It's a, you know, a couple of models ago. But why does it
look like it turns out of the lane of traffic when one of the Tylers is stopped there on the intersection waiting and it pulls up and it slows
down to almost a stop and then pulls back out into the lane of traffic and drives off. Were they talking to each other? Did they communicate in some way?
Did they make an eye, a hand signal, an eye signal? Did they make eye contact? We don't know.
And it was that the same gray SUV turning off of campus.
I I you know, that's the one that probably if I had to say any of those weren't the same car, I would say it's that one because that one would have been stuck
in traffic, I think, trying to get off of campus as that was happening. I don't think it could have gotten off of campus into that shopping center in the right time, but maybe. I don't know. I don't know exactly what time that was.
Actually, I could go back and figure out exactly.
Um, it was 17. No, it was after
the shot. That be 1250. No, it can't be the same SUV. Can't be in two places at once.
So, were there multiple Tylers walking around town? Were there multiple SUVs that were actually the same SUV that were pulling up next to the multiple Tylers?
Were there multiple Dodge Challengers?
Why didn't they tell us the license plates? Why are they giving us the descriptions of the
There's enough going on that you have to step back and evaluate the full court press being put on this
case by people who are trying to convince you it was Tyler Robinson alone.
Why not just let the court case play out? Why not ask the questions we're asking what I think are pretty obvious questions?
If he's motivated by politics, why did they never talk about politics? If he wanted to kill Charlie Kirk, why did they never talk about Charlie Kirk?
If he says he didn't contact him till 11, why is there a text message from him at ? Why wasn't he at work that day?
I mean, I think these are legitimate questions.
I don't think these are crazy questions to start asking.
Um, all right. Let me do this. Uh, I'm going to run through some questions. I'm going to get to as some of your comments.

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Blake Neff Blacks Out On 9/10. Andrew Kolvet Comes Clean About Netanyahu. | Ep 359
Candace Owens
Streamed live 2 hours ago Candace Owens

Blake Neff says he doesn't remember where he was on 9/10, we receive emails from a plastic surgeons about what they believe was Charlie's shirt found in the back of the SUV, Network Contagion Research Institute releases another hit piece on me, and Andrew Kolvet concedes that they declined to have Netanyahu on the show.



Transcript
Chapter 1: Start.
All right, you guys. Happy Tuesday. We have a very interesting show for you today. Took us a lot of prepping because like I said, the obvious point of this
assault from the overwhelmed influencers is to distract us from the actual investigation. A lot of stuff is coming
up and so we have to return to it with a very interesting lead regarding that unidentified object in the back seat of
Charlie's SUV, the one um that he took to the hospital. Well, they were supposed to be providing life-saving measures to him. Um, at the same time,
Ben Shapiro is getting updates. A lot going on. What we didn't expect was to receive a flurry of emails regarding what that object might be. It's very
interesting. Also, Blakey Nef, man, he is drawing, I guess, a a very
interesting blank regarding what he was doing on the morning of September 10th.
It's bizarre. I'm going to let you hear what he has to say. What he doesn't remember. Strange day to not remember
things. There's an entire portion of that morning that he just doesn't remember anything. And I have a hunch about why that might be. The person he
seems to be protecting. Very obvious to me. Lastly, Andrew Kovette accidentally admits that I'm not a liar while accusing me of being a liar. It was
really strange. He's a total doofus, as we already know. But there seems to be sort of a corporatewide crash out that's happening right now. And frankly,
they're all just saying too much. So, let's see what we can learn from them. Welcome back to Candace.
Chapter 2: Emails about the potential burned item found in the car.
Okay, so top of show very quickly I want to share with you guys uh those very interesting flutter of emails unexpected that we received when we asked the
question before we went on air. We released more uh photos from inside the vehicle that Charlie was transported to
the hospital in. And you can make out uh what looks to us to be those shards of glass from the road mic. But there was this one identifiable object that was
left in the back of the car. You guys might remember it. The one that I remarked sort of looked like a burnt piece of cardboard. I didn't really know
what to make of it. What? Why does this look like a burnt piece of cardboard with blood but sort of thickened? Here it is a little closer here.
Well, we open that question to you guys because I'm not an expert at everything.
Uh what I am good at is trusting other people to be experts at things and accumulating a bunch of information from them. And when I see a pattern in the
emails emerge, I suspect that there's something there. And there certainly was a pattern that emerged. We had, oddly,
people in the fashion industry reaching out, a ton of them, insisting immediately and persistently that what
we were looking at was the remains of a t-shirt.
Huh? I went, "What? Excuse me? Okay, what are we talking about?" We had a range, by the way. We had people who
were stay-at-home mothers who have sewed their own kids clothing, uh people in the fashion industry, and on top of
that, doctors, plastic surgeons who emailed and said, "You are looking at a shirt." So, with that that full
spectrum, I thought, "Oh, we got to take a look at this." They were informing me that when polyester mix or polyester, entirely polyester shirts burn, they
turn into what looks like an almost hardened plastic or cardboard. And I'm going to read you just one of these comments and one of these emails so you
can just I guess see what we were receiving. Here's a YouTube comment that came in. Really bad internet here. I tried to respond when talking about the
little square thick piece. I have been making clothing for years as a mother of 10. This piece is a collar from the t-shirt. The black would more than
likely be from the burning of the explosion, but the thick folded and end that's facing the camera. Most surely
the bias band, the seam of the t-shirt that looks clearly cut off. Again, this was echoed by people in the fashion
industry. And then from our our tips inbox, we got this from an actual doctor. Take a listen to this. I mean, I'm going to read this email to you. It
said, "Please call me a plastic surgery nurse if you use this. Do not use my name for they are evil and I take care of too many people in my life for me to be fired or lose my life." I started to
email during the question of the pulse oximeter. Used one today. The silver I believe is the uh hypothermia blanket
that comes in that medical pack. I think you figured that out. Your mind is asking the right questions. But what is the charred burned thing on the ground?
It is his shirt. I have taken care of multiple burns as a plastic and reconstructive surgery nurse and that is his shirt. How? Just flatten out that
bunched up piece. Flatten it out in your mind. Flip over the right side in your mind. The top part is the bloody top of the white shirt. The back is scorched.
Why? How? Because electrical current is hot and the shirt had some polyester in it. When polyester is heated, it melts.
It does literally like it it looks literally like a lit cardboard. I had a patient that got burned by a grill and
his shirt melted onto his skin uh stuck to the skin. Part of it looked just like that. It only had a little polyester in it. Polyester is plastic. It took a
procedure called debridement to get the charred shirt off of his skin in spots.
The black is necrotic burnt skin, like burning a piece of chicken skin. I'm sorry for the visual, but it is dead skin, burned skin. They likely ripped off his shirt and ripped off his skin.
So, in my opinion, it is his shirt burned polyester and charred skin. Do an experiment. Find that type of shirt and lay it on an electrical eye on the stove. Think about what it would do to
the skin. Burn onto it. You see it all the time at blank. You can call a burn MD. Hope that helps. You are in my prayers. Please be safe. Really safe.
6 minutesCrisis king and never give up. Go Max.
So again, the repetition of these emails made me think that the experts, the people who work in these industries might know what they're talking about.
and I suddenly was looking all over my house for a polyester shirt. Couldn't find one. Best I could do was a mixed polyester shirt. Baron Coleman um was
here the other day and he told me that he thinks that that particular shirt that Charlie was wearing was 100% polyester, but the best I could find was a 50% polymix shirt this morning and we
are waiting to receive a full polyester one. We went ahead and just started burning stuff. Me and the team went outside and we just started burning the
shirt and I'm going to show you the result that we got. I was totally surprised to see. Of course, we don't have blood on the shirt that we burned, but this is what we got.
And I have to tell you guys, I think there is something here. When you look at the other object, look at this. Look at this comparison. We did this this morning. On the right, on the left, you
7 minutesare looking at that remain. And then we had people that were telling us that they think that that portion up top that's quite thickened might even be
remnants of the road. Mike, I don't know about that. But that tippity top part that you're seeing is what she is referring to when she says the collar,
the seam. I can see that now. We received another email where a woman is telling me that you're looking at the F of the shirt. I can't quite make that
out. But I'm stunned by this. I'm stunned that we were able to replicate that. And it's not perfect. Obviously, an explosion versus us just lighting
something in a fire pit is going to be different. But I am stunned by that plausibility. and we're going to keep you posted. I think there is something
there. I'm actually trying to get my hands on what was left behind in Charlie's vehicle. I'm ever determined.
Moving on to Turning Point USA and their affiliates. They are obviously losing their minds right now. Okay, of that there is no doubt. They are throwing every stone, making every accusation.
8 minutesThey are getting their hands really dirty and in the process of course making things infinitely worse for themselves because
the genius at the organization, well, he's no longer here. Charlie Kirk was the only one with any brains, it turns
out. But you can start to sense this real desperation. You're wondering where it's coming from. You got to bring influencers to court. Andrew Kovat is
all over the place. I mean, and I would say just taking a look at the big picture, one of the issues is that they lack focus. Even the um the influencers,
they race from one illogical point to the next point, forgetting what their accusations were yesterday that don't add up to their accusations today. At
first, the mainstream talking point was Candace secretly loved Charlie. She wanted him to herself. She wanted to be
Erica. She wanted to marry Charlie, but he didn't love her. But now they've done a complete 180. While I was in Spain, they shifted gears and they decided,
"No, no, no, no. Okay, that's not working." It wasn't love. It was the exact opposite. Candace secretly hated Charlie. That's you're starting to see
all over the place. She hated him. That came direct from Andrew Kovette. And oddly Blake Nef, who I also feel that I I haven't made this clear to you guys. I
don't know that man. I don't know that creature. Blake Nef and me, we don't we don't go back because he had nothing to
do with the Turning Point story. In fact, he never worked for Turning Point USA if he is to be believed, right? He works on the radio side of things. He
didn't even get hired to work with Charlie at all in any capacity until 2022 after um he was fired from Fox News
or had to move on from Fox News because of some racist comments. He then work went to work for Stu Peters. Um and then he moved on to start working with
Charlie after Tucker Carlson recommended him because he's loyal. Blake Nef did not return that loyalty. Blake Nef doesn't have a loyal bone in his body.
Yet, he has been the most vocally invested person, I would say, at Turning Point in making sure that no one asks any questions, that no one investigates
the Charlie Kirk murder outside of the federal narrative. Blake watched our episode yesterday, as he does every day.
I know Blake personally uh probably had his routine disrupted while I was gone for two weeks. And he tweeted this in
response, quite odd. Quite odd. He said, "I decided against my better judgment to briefly turn on Candace." Okay, Blake, you watch every episode.
And she was spouting some theory about UVU's military affiliated student hub, MASH, as a part of the conspiracy. Yeah,
I think that's enough for me. Remember, Candace privately envied and hated Charlie, and she wants his killer to be
get away with it. Okay, Blleyaky. Um, weird thing to take away from yesterday's episode.
Talked about a lot. It's an oddly specific thing to hone in on. That particular detail is something Blake
felt that he wanted to immediately dissuade. It's a fact, by the way. Just introduced a fact that on the third floor of Veloi Center, we're seeing all this video people going up and down. It
is the MASH student center, the military affiliated student center. So, of everything that he could be upset with regarding yesterday's episode, why did
that fact disturb him? Less we forget uh Blake's truer background is in military
strategy. He supported war gaming exercises for the Marine Corps before he was removed from that position following
racist commentary. So Blake himself is or was military affiliated. And for whatever reason, his memory regarding
Chapter 3: Blake Neff's 9/10 memories get fuzzy.
September 10th, a day that is etched in my mind in remarkable detail has grown fuzzy. You see, we have to remember that
Charlie had an event before the event, which I said was unusual. It's like he didn't they didn't want him to land in Provo. He does this this restaurant
event a his last interview with a guy named Andrew Smith. He flies into Salt Lake City, not Provo. Blake Nef was on
board that private jet with Charlie to Salt Lake City on that morning. Mikey McCoy was also aboard that jet. Mikey McCoy rented just two SUVs in Salt Lake
City, which were uh to meet them. We know that one was carrying Charlie and
Mikey McCoy and Frank Turk and John McGovern who works in gifts at Turning Point USA raises money for them. and we
assume security. We know it's not Dan Flood to that Savory Fund restaurant event for Charlie's final interview. But
it turns out the other SUV when they landed carried Blake Nef to He doesn't know.
He doesn't remember.
He knows he didn't go to the restaurant event, but he doesn't know where he did went or why he woke up early to go
nowhere in Salt Lake City. Where did the SUV go? Who was driving it? What were they doing? I kid you not. Blake Nef
jumped onto an X space and is trying to sell, but he just simply doesn't remember what he did when he declined to
just go with Charlie for his final interview. Take a listen. And I'm sorry in advance. There's a lot of people talking over each other. It's an X
space. So, it's a bit of a frustrating listen, but you'll get the point.
At the Saver Fund interview with Andrew Smith before he went to UVU prior, I wasn't at that event. I was in the uh I was in the other SUV.
So, where were you in between time when you got off the plane? Where did you go? I was in the other SUV. Did you go straight? Did you go straight to UVU?
We had two SUVs. I was in the one Charlie wasn't in and I was somewhere. I don't I actually have no idea where they parked it.
What do you mean you don't know where you were?
I've never been I'd never been to Utah before. We had So, you got off to playing with Charlie.
You jumped in the other SUV. Where did you go?
We went somewhere. Why would I Why would I You went somewhere.
Why would I remember that? Like, can you consider for just one moment that I did not know that was going to Did you go straight to the UVU event
around the Oram Utah area? We went Surely you've been asked these questions by the authorities, right?
Why would I be asked the questions like that by the authorities?
Because you're a key witness to a murder. No, I'm not. I'm one of 100.
Surely you can Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Surely you can remember where what you did that morning.
I'm a key witness to Charlie's life. I'm not a particularly important witness to the murder.
So, you got off the plane, you got in the SUV. Where did you go? Crime scene. Hang on. Let me finish the question. Where did Where did you go?
What do you mean where did I go?
You got off the plane, you got in an SUV.
Did you go to a restaurant? Did you go to the club? Where did you go?
We drove somewhere and because I wasn't going to that event, we just like parked and we marked time until the actual Utah
Valley event. And who else was in your car? Do you have a security guy with you?
I I don't remember the specific people in my car. Uh I believe I Ah, come on, Blake.
Oh, why would again, why would I remember all of these things?
It's pretty easy. It was just you and Danny Phillip.
That might be who it was. Yeah, that might You could remember that.
Any takers?
Any takers on you flew on a private plane, you landed and you got into an SUV and someone just
men and blacked your memory and you have no idea where the car went. You have no idea who was driving and you have no idea who was there because why would you
remember you should remember because it's like not every day that you take a private plane to a place that you've never been and get into an SUV.
It's bizarre.
And then you see at the end someone says you were with Danny Phillip. Okay, so we Danny Phillip flew with them. Um and
then beyond that, I don't know if more people were in the car. Beyond that, the only thing he can remember is that they drove off and they went somewhere unknown to, and I quote, mark time.
Where they went, they don't know. But they went to mark time. I mean, if you don't want to go to the event with
Charlie, why wouldn't you just sit in the parking lot at the event that Charlie was going if you're just going to mark time?
Ladies and gentlemen, something is very wrong with that lapse. Okay. And a piece of what's wrong and what my mind
Chapter 4: The banking family connections and who tried to cause a riff with me and Charlie.
immediately went to is uh Danny Phillip because who is Danny Phillip? That's an important question actually. Uh Danny
Phillip is is very young. He just graduated college in May of 2025. It's hired right out of college um to work
for Charlie. Danny Phillip. You might recall many moons ago when we discussed Mikey McCoy's call logs. Before Charlie
got shot at , Mikey McCoy was on the phone with Danny Phillip. I thought they were just both at the event. Maybe. I don't know what
that phone call was about. And then after Charlie gets shot, he's on the phone for with Danny Phillip.
I thought it initially was Danny McQueen. No, it's Danny Phillip, this young kid fresh out of college. Um, and I got to thinking, you know, again, why
were there so many these new young employees that day that were given such VIP roles? Remember we discussed Katherine Loccastro? She was on the
plane with Erica escorting Erica after Charlie died. Why? Why would you take a young girl? Such a serious thing. Do you
know each other? Danny Phillip, Charlie Kirk's assistant. That's a pretty big job. You know, he had interned for them the previous summer. Uh, but he was
selected, this young guy, to fly private with Charlie to go to Salt Lake City that morning. But apparently he didn't have to assist Charlie. Charlie Kirk's
assistant just went to go mark time with Blake Nef, a tw How old is this guy? 21, 22 years old. He gets awarded a seat on
a private jet to then go be ushered into an SUV to sit and do nothing. Well, how about you go get Charlie some water? How
about you follow him around and shine his shoes? What are you doing? Who are you?
Like I said, you're 21, 22, and you're taking like a $10,000 seat on a private plane so you can go watch Blake Nef
breathe. No. Mm- We're not being told the truth. Something's not right.
Like I said, Danny was hired in May of 2025. According to his LinkedIn, he graduated from Ohio State University.
That's correct. He was running the Turning Point chapter at Ohio State University or was a part of the Turning Point chapter and then he went straight to work for Turning Point USA.
But this was not a random appointment by any means. The fact that Blake Nef was reticent to say he was with Danny Phillip made me more interested in Danny
Phillip. I went to people at Turning Point said, "Who is this guy?" Everyone says, "I don't know." We're kind of told it was a family friend and he got this
like big job working for Charlie, you know, kind of quiet.
So I got to doing what I do best. I said, "Okay, well, who's who is this guy who got in the job? Why do I feel like there's going to be a connection to Tyler Ber?
You see, the key to understanding who Danny Phillip is is his grandfather, who I was shocked when I discovered who
it was because I knew his grandfather personally before he passed in 2021.
Thank you, Andrew Kovette, for reminding me. You thought you were surprising the internet about the fight that Charlie and I had. You got to watch more of my
show. You got to ask Blake. We already discussed the argument that Charlie and I had regarding Ike Pearlmutter, the check, the money, 2019 when I said I
felt that people were intentionally forces were pulling me and Charlie apart. Suddenly, there's this smear campaign calling me anti-Semitic.
Um, and at virtually the exact same time, Turning Point had this major donor, major donor was very, I thought, good to
me named Thomas Patrick. Thomas Patrick personally informed me via email that Charlie Kirk was lying to me about
money. That is Danny Phillips granddaddy. You know, I got to know who everybody's granddad is. And I like I
fell apart when I realized who his grandfather was. I said, I know that man. I still have a text messages between me and Charlie regarding Thomas
Patrick's email to me and I'm going, what is happening, Charlie? Literally, what is h why are you what is going on?
And now I learned Danny Phillip is his grandson. And I am, like I said, beside myself. I I needed a second today to process this because it returns returns
me to the theory that Charlie and I were having our strings pulled.
And I'm going to tell you more. Thomas Patrick was the um executive vice chairman and CEO of Mel Lynch. That's
wealth management investment firm. He worked there for 25 years in Chicago.
Big guy, boss, very connected, very political. Okay, Chicago, not an easy place to make it in. Uh, and he was at
the top of the food chain until 2003. He was unceremoniously escorted out of his office for a scandal
in which he was accused of, of all things, orchestrating a political smear campaign against Elliot Spitzer, who he didn't like.
Now, Maril Lynch, um, for the uninitiated, I'm sure you've seen it.
You're going, "That sounds like Bank of America." Meil [clears throat] Lynch is the wealth management and investment firm. And like I said, 25 years there is not a short tenure when you he he was he
was a top guy, top boss, executive vice chairman. And he was so powerful.
That's stunning for me to process that he played a big role in convincing me that Charlie was moving behind my back.
You will note and remember perhaps in 2008 following the financial crisis, Meil Lynch was acquired by Bank of America. So it became Bank of America,
Meil Lynch. That's going to become relevant because Danny Phillips's father Steven Phillip worked for Bank of America Meil Lynch in Chicago. Chicago.
Chicago. Chicago. Everywhere. At the same time that he worked at Bank of America Maril Lynch in Chicago, so did
Tyler Berer's father, major executive at Bank of America, Meil Lynch, and he has
cleaned the internet of his LinkedIn graduated from Arizona State University.
Another coincidence is that Danny Phillip, his Meil Lynch, Bank of America dad also, you know, Tyler speaks Russian, majored in Russian studies.
Same for Danny Phillip's dad. I don't know if you remember a long time ago I was telling you that it is indeed
remarkable just how many people at Turning Point USA are fluent in Russian.
In fact, I remember that being one of the things that Arena Mappen, married to John Mappen, he's the one who wrote that beautiful letter about Charlie, fiercely
loyal, instantly said something's not right. We need to know what happened.
He's married to Arena and Arena is fluent in speaking Russian. And she remarked to me in a private phone call that the thing that struck her as very
odd about the memorial event was that everyone was speaking Russian.
She was disturbed by how many Russian speakers were in VIP. And that makes sense. You've got Tyler Boyer. You've got Elizabeth McCoy and her entire
Ukrainian family. You've got Rob McCoy who adopted a girl from Russia. remember there are just so many Eastern European
neverending ties when it comes to Turning Point USA.
I I've just never seen so many Russian speakers in Arizona. I bet.
Anyway, I want to show you this visual guide that I put together because it's this Bank of America thing is super interesting to me. Okay, so you've got
Tom Patrick. Tom Patrick, major Turning Point donor, uh Meil Lynch, top brass,
um before or right before it merged with Bank of America. Um you've got Steven Phillip, that's going to be Daniel Phillip's dad who is the vice president
also in Chicago. Bank of America, Meil Lynch, Russian Studies. You've got Danny Phillip who gets this job as Charlie Kirk's assistant um just ahead of
Charlie Kirk's assassination. On this one, you've got Tyler, of course, I told you he's the guy who hired everyone. He knows everyone. And his dad who's an
exec at Bank of America. In fact, Tyler Boyer's first job was at Bank of America. And he is, you look him up from
the relic in looks like New Jersey and Chicago. Uh at the same time as Steven Phil. Then you've got remember Dennis
Brownay, Erica's cousin, who showed her around Romania, the Black Sea rotational force.
At the same time that these guys were at Bank of America Chicago, so was Erica France's cousin Dennis. What are the odds? Everyone's just so connected here.
Bank of America Meil Lynch 2008 to 2022.
Um he was also involved in the military before that as you guys know. After he left the military, he went to work for Bank of America, Mel Lynch, and then
stopped quickly to show Erica around the Black Sea rotational force. Um, so that's interesting.
That's really interesting to me. I was interested. I'm going to keep looking into all of these people that I thought were just so young and very involved
that day and seeing if I could just sort of piece them all together, their families. If everybody goes back, everyone seems to just kind of go back
and be in this orbit of Tyler Ber and co. By the way, funny story. I don't know if you knew this, but Bank of America actually settled with Epstein victims in March of this year. Yeah.
They were sued because they were managing wealth, Bank of America, Meil Lynch, of the major Epstein associate,
Leon Black. I'm sure you've heard of him. He's all over the Epstein files.
and um Bank of America moved $170 million to Epstein. The victims sued Bank of America for not following their
own protocols and flagging the suspicious financial activities which they said would have led to to the fact that Jeffrey Epstein was involved in a
trafficking ring. Anyway, they settled for I think like $79 million. That's just an interesting fact that I wanted
to share with you all. We'll be right back after a break. All right, you guys.
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Blake Nef just blacked out, guys. He just doesn't remember. He just doesn't really I mean, they were just marking the time. He doesn't remember who was in the car, who was driving, what they did
for that entire interview while they were in Salt Lake City. Were they renting a car? By the way, I'd like to
see if maybe there was another decoy vehicle. If you work at a um rental car
rental place, maybe just in in the area, maybe Las Vegas around Salt Lake City, maybe see if there were any cars checked
out. uh Dodge Challengers that may have been rented. I just have a hunch that we may have rented somebody. I'm not saying
Blake Nef, although there was a bald guy scene with three people in it, but maybe there was a car rented somewhere from Provo, Salt Lake City, Las Vegas that
was a Dodge Challenger. I just find that that might be interesting. If you know anything, more tips at canon.com. Also, maybe you saw a bald man that looked
like he was suffering from amnesia on September 10th.
you were driving and you saw him on the side of the road and he said, "I'm marking time. I'm marking time." If that's you, we want to hear from you.
More tips at candace Owens.com because we've got a confused bald man who doesn't remember what he was doing on a
very a day that seems to be etched in the minds of people over the world, but not him. Doesn't know what he was doing.
And beyond that, Frank Turk's story about attending the restaurant event is getting interesting because it was
confirmed that Charlie was in the green room and he had three people with him.
We know for a fact Johnny McGovern was with him. We know Mikey McCoy was with him and we're trying to figure out and we know his cousin was with him. Uh
we're trying to figure out did Frank Turk not go to the Green Woman with him.
He admits that he left and went outside or left a little early. And Frank Turk keeps tripping over his stories like
quite a bit. And so was Frank Turk. Did anybody see Frank Turk at the restaurant event? Was he in the car with Blake Nef?
32 minutesLike I said, everybody's memory is hazy.
We're here to help. More tips at kennos.com. Tips at kennosins.com. And I can't wait tomorrow. We got a huge lead
on who Ben Shapiro was at lunch with um on the 10th, the morning of the 10th in LA. And so we will be we're in the
process of vetting that information and we will be delivering that information tomorrow. Moving on, I do want to get to
this report that was published. Now, you may have seen it was absolutely bonkers.
The same people that brought you Christ is King is anti-Semitic. The NCRI, they do focused reports on I think
Chapter 5: More attacks from the NCRI.
really just me things that I say and they were really pushing and pedaling a couple years ago that Crisis King is anti-Semitic. They released this po uh report during Lent. It backfired.
Obviously, um chief among people who were very critical of this report was Charlie Kirk himself. And Charlie didn't
care that uh the NCRI um had Johnny Moore on their board.
33 minutesAndrew Kovat's old partner Johnny Moore on the board of NCRI when the Crisis King report was published.
This twerp. Look at him. And then he also was a part of course of this report that was published about me accusing me
on the day the first day of a Tyler Robinson trial of being a digital assassin. I'm sure even though Andrew Coat was pushing this report that he had
no idea it was coming up. He's just responding naturally. The PR guy.
Anyway, it's entitled Permission to Kill. Look, kill is in red. Oo, they're serious guys. Focus group sat down and
said let's put the word kill in red. And they have um obviously a target gunshot
and then they a scope looking at someone. It says how Candace Owens built a digital assassination culture targeting Erica Kirk.
Okay.
So what is the purpose of this? We should talk about that. I got all of these emails. It wasn't just them. Tons of uh organizations while I was on uh I
mean tons of media groups were reaching out asking me to comment on this. I think we had Politico. What do you say about the fact that they researched and
saw that it's because of you saying Erica's a psychopath was one of their points. Calling Erica a psychopath on
Shawn Ryan, which literally um aired that week. That that leads to people
wanting to kill Erica Kirk. Calling somebody a clinical psychopath makes other people want to kill them. Really?
So, why aren't you guys doing a report on like Andrew Kovad and Blake Nef?
Blake Nef referred to me as a knife wielding psychopath on a subway. Did that lead to me getting death threats?
Does this only work one way? What about all these influencers that are constantly calling me sociopathic, crazy, a grifter, uh, targeting me, uh,
the widow, these people that are going out there and have been nonstop producing content about me since I said, "Really, Christ is king?" Does that put
a target on my back? Oh, no. It's only It's only Erica. You can't notice when Erica is lying to you and recognize the
signs of someone who is clinically dissociated and might actually be a psychopath. Why would I want Erica to be hurt? Why would I want somebody who is
dissociated to be hurt? Why can't we discuss clinical terms um without you accusing me of murder? Why are you
accusing me of of setting the groundwork for someone to be harmed? I've never done that. I've never ever done that.
had never said go out and I've never even said don't go to Erica's events.
Erica's done that. Erica made personal phone calls to priests telling them not to attend an event that I was at cuz that's how she behaves behind the scenes while she in the front pretend she's a
victim behind the scenes. She's quite nasty actually. That's a fact. She's been leading these attacks against me.
I'm sure she was on the phone with Johnny Moore cooking this one up. Maybe she wasn't. If she wasn't then she should be concerned.
36 minutesOkay.
Because when I walk through this in my mind, the absurdity of the case that is before us, when I look at the non-facts that are being presented, when I look at
their intent of bringing social media influencers into the courtroom, which just makes a mockery of a justice system and proves that they do not have truth
on their side, I then in my mind take it to its natural end. What are they going to do? You're going to arrive at the
moment where everything unfolds. It feels like we're there, right? It's all coming apart at the seams. Blake's coming apart. Andrew's coming apart.
Influencers are dramatizing, collapsing, overwhelmed, just trying to sell this thing, right? Like, oh, what
are we going to do? Everyone all out assault on Candace, bringing out people from the woodwork. They're like, Candace took her pencil in third grade and she has something to say. We're bringing her
on the show today. I really I did actually in third grade. I I did erase someone's name on homework, so I was afraid to not turn it. Never mind. It
doesn't matter. Anyways, I hope they don't find Kathy. I did take Cathy's homework. I'd like to confess that right now. But the broader point is what are they doing? Why are they why are they
appealing and going into the woodwork and bringing all these people out and attacking me non-stop? It feels like they're losing big time. I mean, they're getting delusional. Candace has no audience.
It's over. She's crashing and burning. I mean, like, what are we talking about?
Is it possible that to deal with this they're going to like kill Tyler or or they're going to like make up some
plan and pretend like Erica couldn't deal she was overwhelmed and then they're going to go oh we're pinning it on Candace and now we also have the dial back speech laws. Doesn't that seem like
they're they're kind of setting the stage for that? all of the usual suspects coming out with something that does not pass the sniff test because no one deals with more online attacks on a daily basis than me.
Tens of millions of dollars is being spent. I am listed, me and Tucker Carlson in the faradox. They're admitting it. They're not hiding it. We
have to take down Tucker and Candace Owens and we're willing to spend the money to do it. And yet nobody makes a
report and says if Candace anything happens, if anyone says anything about Candace, they're digital assassins. They don't put somebody else in a scope.
What gives? It feels to me like it could be the beginning of a plot, a government plot. We can't win this thing. We need
to get influencers, independent journalists off of this entirely. We need a big event that allows us to crawl back speech. Think of it like 911. 911
happens and then it's like, well, we got to take away your freedom. We got to get this bill passed immediately. Take your shoes off and belts off at the airport
and now the government is allowed to spy on you because this terroristic event happened and we're doing this for safety.
I feel like that needs to be said that people are sensing that that's their plan here, you know, to pull like, you know, Erica got harmed by someone or
Erica harmed herself and this none of this would have happened if it wasn't this culture of quote unquote digital assassination. And may I just state
emphatically that Charlie Kirk was so opposed to this this idea that speech equates to violence.
When you're not calling for violence, you're investigating real violence. And now they're saying you investigating the violence is the violence.
Huh. Charlie was emphatically against that.
And the fact that Andrew Kovette is sharing that and perpetuating that culture, well, just reinforces what we've always known. Andrew Kovette is a traitor. My dream was correct. Check.
Accurate.
Chapter 6: Andrew Kolvet concedes some info about Netanyahu.
Speaking of Andrew and the Chyros company and Johnny Moore, Andrew Kovette during his crash out um was still trying
to protect BB but in the process admitted that I was telling the truth. I have maintained I think since September, it might be October. I haven't changed
my story once that Andrew Kovette called me and he told me about the Hamptons. I my source was Andrew Kovette. It was I
told Erica that when we met face to face and uh she conceded that yes BBNet and Yahoo did call at Bill Aman's house. Now
her reason for Bill Aman calling was that he was following up on the letter that Charlie wrote him in May but that's not what Andrew Kovette told me. He told
me that BB offered to take Turning Point to the next level and Charlie said no.
That's all he said. And Charlie said no.
He also described how he des the uh Hampton Summit was like an intervention.
And he also uh communicated to me on the BB front. That's all he said. But he also communed to me that um Charlie had declined to have BB be on his show.
These are things that I could not have known. I I was not at the Hampton Summit, right? I was not at the Hampton Summit.
So, how did I know that BB called? If I'm not telling the truth, how did I know so early that BB Net and Yahoo called and made this phone call? How did I know that Charlie something that only
Andrew Kovac could have known in that same phone call that Charlie declined to have BB on which demonstrates the state of Charlie's mind against BB. That's the
prime minister of Israel. If Charlie was pro- Israel when he died, that'd be a pretty good guy to have on your podcast.
But instead, he was relegated to smaller influencers because Charlie didn't want to have him on. He was turning against Israel. It was not a joke when he texted
the night before that he was done with Israel. Everyone saw it coming and people who were his friends knew that these were discussions that we were having over the last year. Anyways, this
is what Kovette tweeted. He conceded basically every part of that conversation except for the offer. He said this again. This is Candace
admitting that she has zero proof. I asked for proof and she screams, "I'll take a lie detector test. Guys, I promised." She's adding caveats, hedging, changing her story. Literally
not changed my story once. But it's important to point out what she just did here. The psychology behind it is wild.
Okay, cool. He's going to pretend he's smart now. She gets called out for a bald-faced lie, a central lie to her entire narrative. Then he immediately
retreats back to two true things that are insignificant in an attempt to confer truth onto the original key lie.
So he's saying, I'm playing the game two lies and one truth, [laughter] for what reason? Then he had concedes,
yes, we politely declined having Netany and Yahoo on the show. So what? And yes, months later, CK took a call from him
after he wrote him a letter again. So what? Neither are extraordinary and neither explain her next ridiculous leap that Netanyahu offered to take TPUSA to
the next level and that I lost out on either millions or billions when CK declined all complete idiocy. Okay, so
beyond this doesn't even matter. He's admitting that I told the truth. I have stuck to the exact same story. I have
not pivoted once from my story that Andrew Kovette told me this and so now he's saying well I she told the truth
like 75% but then that last point was definitely a lie and she just maintained that lie forever. Why would I maintain that lie? It's what I was told. It's
what from Andrew Kovette. I've never changed that. And then it was confirmed from a family friend of Andrew Kovette who wrote me and said that Andrew said
that he lost out on millions when Charlie said no. So that Charlie said no came from Andrew Kovette. And the fact
that he lost out on some residual income came from somebody who confirmed that that yes, that did actually happen uh
because he was venting about that when he came back to California.
Andrew, beyond anything else, why didn't you confirm this earlier that I was telling the truth? Was it weird for you
when BBNet and Yahoo was pretending that Charlie had no issues with him and it was all love? When you knew that Charlie declined to have him on the show? When
you knew uh the night before that Charlie was a fearful that he was going to be killed? When you knew the night
before that he was on uh a text thread saying that he had no choice but to abandon the pro-Israel call uh cause.
Things that you never wanted to tell the public. You never told the public any of this. So, the fact that you're finally conceding to the majority of it doesn't
make you look like a good guy. It makes you look like a scumbag because you should have told the public first. Erica should have told the public first. It
shouldn't be me that is telling people what he was living through with the Zionists who were peerressuring him and growing increasingly more maniacal in
their exam in their demands of who he was allowed to speak to, who was allowed to speak at his events. Charlie was done with it.
You lied. And by the way, I don't think silence is violence, but I do think your silence is cowardice. Your silence uh
does actually commit onto you some guilt. It's way we're way too far down.
10 months later, you admit that I told you about everything and you're still lying about the last bit. You did tell me that BB Netanyahu called and offered
to take Turn Points next level next level and Charlie declined just like you declined him on his show.
So, I will leave it at that. Uh, you do not look good. And I think the entire world can see that you are the Judas of
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Chapter 7: Comments.
All right, so our top comment from yesterday's episode came from Tori. She wrote, "No one called 911, but someone called Ben Shapiro." Let me tell you, we
had some interesting feedback. People said, "I bet it has something to do with Frank Churik and his FaceTiming."
Who was he facetiming? Who was watching that live feed from the back seat?
That's been, I think, the number one guess that people had in the comments yesterday that it's going to be Frank Churik and that live stream, which never
made sense. The story is just so stupid on its face that he was facetiming his like grown 35year-old sons in the middle
of the day at 12:23 because they just love Charlie Kirk so much. They want to hear him in basically something that's
structured, an amphitheater. They can't hear anything. Ah, [screaming] screaming. They just couldn't like get tickets to an event or go to something like SAS. It was just the UVU event. And they were like, "Please, Daddy, please.
We just love him. We just please. I want to hear him answer questions. You're a grown man and this is what you're doing." The grown men, they I was just
FaceTime. They just love watching Charlie. This is what the whole story is stupid. Okay. It doesn't doesn't pass the sniff test on its f like why go be
an adult. Adults don't do that. Was it like a Taylor Swift? Yay, Taylor Swift.
Maybe a Taylor Swift fan who's 13 years old would do that. 100% they would do that. I'll watch her through I love her so much. I'll watch her through FaceTime
on your phone from the audience. Not grown military men. Something's not right about Frank Turk's story as well.
And he's changed it. He keeps getting caught and oh, I misspoke. This is I didn't mean that. And oh, people are taking my stuff out of context. I said I
was the on the FaceTime call forever and now I say I'm not. It's me versus me.
Frank Turk is messy. He is messy. And so I do wonder while he was live streaming
and accidentally left it in the pocket if that's like a limited hangout. He's telling us a little bit there. Somebody was on the phone on live stream. Maybe more than one person. That feed was going somewhere.
He was in that car and he wasn't just praying. Maybe it's all going to come out. I do believe that. Um, Moses also
had a top coming. He wrote, "Uh, wife, honey, there's an intruder in the house.
I'm scared. Husband, call Ben Shapiro." Just for live updates. Just for live updates to his security team. That's it
happens to be former IDF people or I don't know if you ever really leave the IDF in MSAD. Um, we'll see about that.
Anyway, uh, comments from today's episode. Let me scroll down. Alli writes, "No matter the outcome of the trial, but doesn't change a thing when
it comes to the shameless lies by Erica in Turning Point USA. They betrayed his legacy to Zionist, lied about the Iran war views, abandoned Massie and Tyler
Robinson. Being found guilty does not change these facts." Look, I I think what I have shared with you is Erica also suffered from amnesia
when it came to remembering how she knew Tyler Boyer. And they seem to have a lot of connections to Eastern Europe, the
50 minutestwo of them. Uh Arizona, Romania, and now Chicago. Yeah, this this feels like
Erica was sent to fall in love with Charlie Kirk. I've said that. I've shared that. And I find it interesting
that we still can't get answers. The attachment I had already began pulling out the threads of Erica hanging out at
this modeling firm uh where Epstein was hanging out. Jean Luke Brunell was the founder of it. And I had wondered about
Erica's connections, potential connections to Epstein world. Now we have what further connections? Did it just
get rebuilt around Charlie Kirk? Um part of Epstein's network. a great place. What is it? What are they concerning?
Launder money, right? Traffic people, humans into organizations. I mean, the picture of what Turning Point
became, in my view, is very bleak. And I think it was intentional. Like I said to you, I sense from the beginning, they
intentionally pulled me and Charlie apart because I was the only person that Charlie hired organically with Tyler not being present on the spot. And then I
feel there were handlers after the Kanye moment. And I told you Erica was playing both sides of that as well. And I have
proof of that. And I'm still trying to get the person who presented that proof to allow me to share it publicly. But it is literally Erica um saying that she's
got people inside the Kanye thing. And Charlie and I had no idea. This is at the beginning of their relationship. He wasn't even officially dating her when
that Kanye stuff happened. So there were external forces u that were at play there.
Seven sheets writes, "It has been a huge mask off time for the people who attack you. Bravery, integrity, faith, and an insatable quest for truth sets you apart. You'd think his other friends
would welcome this. We appreciate and support you in faith and prayers. Thank you so much." Um Ryan writes, "Listening to my 12-year-old while hearing Blake on
an exace that she put her head in her hands and said, "What makes it worse is that they're not even good at lying.
She's right. That is the frustrating part. They're not good at it. I don't know. I blacked out. I don't remember. I know it was in the car.
Continued prayers for you, your family, and your mission for truth. St. Michael, pray for us. Christ is king. Indeed.
Tony Hill writes, "Hi, Candace. What do you do on a daily basis is more than investigating Charlie's murder. You're opening the world's eyes to the corruption that has plagued us for
decades. I don't know if Melania is still your best friend, but you are mine. Lol. Much love." I think I it does
bring me comfort to know that Charlie knew his death would be tied to this sort of a global awakening and it is deep and it is connected and [snorts] it
is disturbing that they thought through in my view using faith like okay it'll be untouchable as long
as we give it a a spin a biblical spin on what we're doing like the most corrupt despicable pastors ever
lecturing us uh and telling us that we have to get in line with corruption and filth and rot and perversion
uh with um sexual devian, bunch of gay men working at a company um all sleeping with one another. This is the turning
point. No, it's not actually. It's actually not. How's that feel? You're
you're completely out of control. Nobody believes you because there's nothing to believe. There's no truth in anything that you guys speak ever. And even a 12-year-old can see that.
Zamut writes, "There is no freedom without truth. I completely agree." And this user writes, "I had hoped that you were going to do competing Super Bowl
halftime broadcast, but anyway, we can ask you to broadcast at 9:00 p.m. on Thursday. That is the time slot for
Trump's address to the nation. Maybe we will do a live." I I just can't stand to hear him speak to be honest with you.
Um, I just can't I mean there I told you after Chuck Kirk's assassination and the lack of words he shared, the lack of
demands for an investigation, he's had nicer things to say about Lindsey Graham. More to say about Lindsey Graham, I suppose, than about Charlie
Kirk who got him elected. I just I'm not interested. I'm going to force my
producers to watch it and tell me about it. Sorry, guys. I'm really sorry. Skylar's having a really rough week. We're making him do all sorts of things.
You're just burning a t-shirt. You can imagine working here. It's completely insane. It's completely crazy.
Anyway, you guys, if you would like to um support us, obviously the easiest way to do that is merch on the website. You can buy a t-shirt, you can buy hats.
That is the easiest way to support our show and the tons of research that we are doing with a very small team. Head to candace.com, buy a stand cup, buy a
battle bun mug. Um, and also you can join the book club to let you guys know we have a long book club this Friday which I'm really excited about um as we
dive into it. And by the way, thank you guys so much for being patient prior to my um vacation, which I much needed. I I just feel so refreshed right now and
just ready just totally ready to lock horns with these people. And um I think we're winning. So there's that. We will
see you guys. What I say tomorrow we'll have that Ben Shapiro stuff which is fascinating. We're just vetting that.
And then I also have a most unusual story to uh share with you about what took place on that day um that was
brought up in the courtroom and more people should be speaking about. We'll see you guys then.
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Tyler Robinson Trial Breakdown: Text Messages, Discord Confession & Destroyed Evidence
by George G. Lake and Charles Carreon
The Entheogenic Esquire
Streamed live 5 hours ago

Join attorney George G. Lake and Charles Carreon, Esq.—a former federal public defender and former state prosecutor—for an in-depth legal analysis of the Tyler Robinson preliminary hearing and trial.



Transcript

Sorry, I had no sound. I pulled a Baron on y'all, man. [laughter] I have to edit that out whenever I post it. Uh, anyways, God bless each and every one of you, Debbie.

Thank you very much for pointing that out for me. Um, we do have, I think, Charles Kerrion coming with us today. Uh, I think he's in Mountain Time, so we have a little time difference and we've been emailing back and forth today, but I I know he has the link and I'm I'm almost sure he's going to show up. " I think he's going to be here.

I don't know exactly when, so I decided just to roll forward with it regardless. Very grateful and honored to be here with all my beautiful people. Uh, again, Debbie, thank you for being here. I think I see niche.

[snorts] Uh, and Bradley Brown, good to see you. Uh, had a question there. Uh, we'll get to it in just a little bit, though. So, again, today, as indicated, we're going to talk about really two major issues.

Uh, one of them, the latter, which I'll explain in a second, being one that Charles really wanted to address. Uh, but the first one me a continuation of the text streams that we were discussing last time. Again, the alleged text messages between Lance Twigs and Tyler Robinson. Uh these are texts that or at least the relevant texts, right, we are told uh were sent between September 10th and 11th.

Um that were admitted right at the preliminary hearing. Uh at least screenshots of photographs of the screen of Lance's phone was used as evidence of these texts. And I know we broke that down a bit as far as admissibility, authenticity, legal authenticity, and the like. Yeah, if if everyone has the bandwidth, anyone has the bandwidth, if you haven't already, please like, comment, subscribe.

I'm attorney Greg Lake. Again, this is the Enthioenic Esquire YouTube channel and podcast. Very honored, very grateful to have you. And again, my good buddy Charles Kerrion, for those of you who aren't aware, uh is a former federal public defender and state prosecutor.

Okay. And and is a ve a very experienced attorney. I look up to Charles in the sense that he's he's done a lot of work and has been a mentor for me in many ways. As many are aware, I specialize in psychedelic based religion claims and defenses uh under both federal and state law.

And so through that, you know, I guess niche, very niche specialty of law, I met Charles and have been, you know, in a way working with him uh for probably around the last six years. So very grateful to have him on. As you know, he's a character. He can talk.

Uh and I think that he'll have some pretty comical stuff for us to uh listen to today. you know, just trying to make light out of really when we get down to it, what is a very sad and in some way dangerous situation that we found oursself in here in the Charlie Kurt, Tyler Robinson debacle, incident, whatever you want to call it. Not good for America in many different ways. So, anyways, we'll definitely uh talk about that too, right?

some of the larger context of all this. But let me just you know and and those who are my subscribers who come here on a regular basis to you know wa watch my streams communicate with me uh know that you know throughout this whole ordeal I have been very very cautious for a number of reasons to you know reach conclusions on my own anyways for my own I always encourage everyone here on my live streams please if you feel so called to reach a hard conclusion on a for instance theory of how Charlie was un alive. What was the manner or cause of his unalivvening? Um a theory on whether Tyler Robinson was actually in custody at the time that he was claimed to have sent this Discord message uh or posted the Discord message, you know, quote unquote, you know, confessing to the crime.

Okay. Now, like I said, I have generally avoided reaching hard conclusions on these things as we go, even though I'll have kind of my personal, you know, preference for a conclusion, right? I I I do I do my best to to not really ground myself intellectually into any single camp of of thought. Uh especially as it relates to, you know, was it the exploding mic or or a pocket pistol or some other device?

Is he still alive? Is he still uh you know, is he with us? Is he not with us? Right?

I've just tried my best not to really set myself too hard on those conclusions because I do feel especially at this juncture that again in my opinion this is one giant psychological operation. Okay. And uh special forces Mike and I have been sitting here for many many many days pondering uh theorizing on you know who is ultimately behind it. uh you know, are there factions behind the scenes trying to fight this?

And I'll talk about that a little bit more during this episode. So again, just very multifaceted the text messages that we talked about the other day and their potential admissibility at the trial. Uh if we go to trial, right, obviously judge has not rendered his decision on the preliminary hearing. myself and absolutely no lawyer that I have come across or regularly converse with believe that the judge won't find probable cause to what they call binding Tyler Robinson over to trial.

Okay? Meaning that we're going to go to trial. Uh judge is going to find there's probable cause. Now, that decision won't be handed down, okay, until I believe September, right?

And there's going to be briefs written by the defense and prosecution. Okay, that will be submitted. Uh I want to say within the next week or so that their briefs are due. And then eventually in September, and I'll get the exact dates for y'all.

Uh eventually in September, judge will render a decision about whether probable cause exists to try Tyler Robinson for this case. Now, [clears throat] I've been of the mindset from day one, right? And and now adittly this has kind of evolved over time. You know, when we first learned of Tyler Robinson, right, and and everything we were told and as is still at least somewhat alleged in the information, which just for those who might not be directly aware, in uh Utah is the same thing as an indictment.

Okay. um you know, it's insinuated in there that he implied to his parents that he was the one who obviously committed this crime, right? And that they then pressured him to turn himself in uh because otherwise he had thoughts about potentially unaliving himself. Okay?

And so, uh, a real debacle, but there has been shifts in the proof here, meaning that, you know, my feeling is is that when the uh information, the indictment was first published, it seems that the parents, you know, allegedly the confession to the parents, which then allegedly, right, led to the parents having Tyler turned himself in, you was was the most solid basis for criminal liability here. Like why did Tyler Robinson do it? What is the evidence that we had that he did it? Uh a lot of people were and some people still do, right?

A lot of people I say some maybe a lot of people still do hang their hat on that. Well, Tyler Robinson turned himself into authorities at his parents' behest. Right now, as many are aware, Diligent Dennison over there on X did some research and actually was able to acquire text messages from Robert or Tyler Robinson's family stating that no, he did not confess. This is Charles.

Give me just one sec. It was below the You're with us, bro. I'm looking at you. All right, ladies and gentlemen, we have Charles with us.

I'm adding him to the stage right now. Charles, can you hear us? You good? See if he can get his audio worked out real quick.

So, your mic is muted, too, just so you know. Charles, I think down below you can unmute it. Alrighty, here we are. There you go.

We got you, Charles. Carry on. Man, uh what a blessing to have you, dude. How you doing?

I'm doing good. I'm doing good. I was just um indulging in a little bit of of uh neighbor on neighbor uh uh legal harassment because he's just Oh, no. It's like, you know, suddenly it's like, you can't park there.

I'm like, hey, the battery's dead. It's like, move it by tomorrow. I'm giving you grace. I'm like, have you ever considered that offending me isn't like the wisest thing you do if you actually want to sell your property?

Yeah. Wow. Has it been been bad blood since day one with them or been really nice? his mom died, but apparently he wants to sell it.

" I'm like, "Dude, you know, could be adverse possession, you know. Don't Yeah. " Yeah. Yeah.

I swear. [laughter] Yeah. Don't get Charles litigation mind to go in there, you know. It's It's terrible, you know.

Yeah. It's just like It's just Yeah. It's It's dangerous. So yeah, so like so like you're blocked and uh communicate with me on paper.

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

You know, [laughter] we do. Good to have you. So you said that you did get a chance to at least watch some or considerable. Yeah.

I listened to all of Baron's um report on the fourth day and then um I listened to my wife summarize what he put out yesterday. Of course, I listen to you and a little bit of invest independent um investigation of my own. You know, we were chatting about, you know, my own fascinations here, which is I just really uh feel like it's uh well, all cases now are digital forensics cases. If you if you don't even treat a DUI, you you got to treat a DUI as a digital forensics case.

you know there's a and uh you know the uh the federal public defender actually they created you know a e-litigation platform for the federal public defenders because the advances that the department of justice has made in eiscocovery and management of electronic evidence had moved ahead so much they were way behind in the early 2000 they kept getting in a lot of trouble But at any rate, my point is that now prosecutors um view a case through, you know, this digital panoptagon. It's possible to know almost everyone about a person. And the part that fascinates me is that I hear Baron talking a lot about location of the defendant of Tyler when he did this or when he did that. Yeah.

And what I uh what I don't understand is why we don't have the location data from the cell phone masks which has been being used to solve crimes since in my experience the late 90s. That was the first time I remember seeing on murder solved um due to cell phone location data. People said they weren't there but they certainly damn well were Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And so that's been around for you know what, you know, 20 28 years 18 years. Yeah. 28 28 years now.

So if there's really I cannot understand why we have h questions looming over the location of anybody who had a cell phone or was using it. Now you could have the problem where if you had the location data you would find out that texts were coming from inside the jail. Yeah. Oh yeah.

Maybe so. Huh. Yeah, I if so that that as we would say then, you know, you're going to have to re-engineer the story to explain how that's the case because ordinarily, you know, that cell phone goes into evidence. And you know, in a case like this, of course, they're going to do that Celbrite download.

So then I was wondering you, you know, um when I heard Baron talking about the Celbrite download, I thought, well, does that provide location data? So according to Gemini, it does. I I deeper than that, but it makes sense that the location data that there is at least some location data in the phone itself. I mean, everybody knows that you should turn off location for your, you know, uh, photographs.

Um, unless you want people to be able to track you with something you posted on Facebook, you know, they can find your house, you shot it in your house, they give you the GPS for your house. So, we have that kind of accuracy. And I think what's interesting, what I picked up from Baron a lot, he's evaluating how's the jury going to look at what happened at the preliminary hearing. Well, the reality is I don't think the juryy's going to see what the preliminary hearing evidence was anywhere as near as much.

And at this point, I I kind of had the sense of Baron is saying, "Why is this happening? " And it's like, Baron, you're just not cynical enough, you know? You just Yeah. Exactly.

Yeah. Not quite. Yeah. I think he's getting a little I think he's inching a little bit more uh kind of as it progresses, but yeah, I don't think he's he's quite there yet, you Yeah, I mean I would love to say uh you know that prosecutors are going to be um open and think about their role of informing the public and giving people confidence that you know everyone all of us even those who care about justice and don't want to have a rush to judgment.

You know even we're satisfied that the proceedings are fair. You know obviously Erica is satisfied that the proceedings are fair. Don Junior is satisfied that the proceedings are fair. In fact they're unfair.

They're they're unfair because the guy should already be dead as far as they're concerned. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah.

Wow. But when I uh you know, when I ask myself um what's really going on, it just seems pretty simple. The prosecution is trying to give the defense as little picture of possible what's going to happen at trial as they can. They are utilizing the um evidence which is sufficient to accomplish their current goal which is to get Tyler bound over for trial.

Yeah, that accomplished. All of their goals are accomplished. They have no other goals. Um at this time, obviously we've talked about them trying it in the media and using it that way and it's appears sadly to be relatively successful.

But then that to me again I look at it and I ask why is it that hate Tyler cheerleaders um are allowed to do their pompom thing, you know, for the TV and poison the jury pool. I mean, it just seems to me that kind of conduct uh should be the subject of a gag order. And uh you know, maybe quote unquote you're not going to get it or I'm not sure if they've tried to get it, but I I assure you if people were marching up and down outside the courthouse um with signs saying, you know, Carryon's client must die. Um I promotion about that.

You know, Carryon's client is guilty. it would be a crime to acquit, you know, whatever you want. But that's that is clear intention to poison the jury pool and uh and it, you know, a lot of people think it's happening. So I don't that's not the subject of emotion.

Not sure. Yeah. Yeah. Let me ask you this, Charles.

So, you know, I've looked into the Celbrite extractions. Okay. It seems to me that you know uh along with the location data the subbrite can also pull in the actual substance of the text right like you know date time in the text the substance of the text and so but here they're offering the text through the pictures of Lance Twig's phone and my question is you know if there is the actual forensic Cellbrite extraction data available that shows it you know in a formal ized, you know, sheet as opposed to looking at these p photographed pictures. I mean, isn't that the preferred and and should be the method that they should be offered at tri at least trial, wouldn't you say?

Yeah, I I I'm assure at trial they'll do that. They they want to have the nicest cris crispest stuff that they can have. And yet it's there is the reality is I think I mentioned it before that uh it's really a prosecutor well aware of the fact that defense lawyers win their cases through deception and and I don't I don't mean that they lie to the judge and jury that's not going to work. Deception is something different.

It's like in fencing, you know, if you ever tried to fence, you quickly find out that there's this problem, which is that the other guy's got a sword, too. Um, and you can't poke him or her unless you get past the point of their sword. So, there's a whole art of deceiving the blade, as they call it. And this is what's going on between council all the time in a trial.

And it cannot in our adversarial system be otherwise. It really, it cannot. And a defense lawyer is most likely to win a case only if the prosecution isn't fully aware of how they're going to do it. Yeah.

You've got to be able to get that strike in. If they know it's coming, they're good lawyers, too. They'll block it. and you have the power to block things um you know by finding just that little piece of evidence that's like you know it's like but what you want to see is that prosecutor sitting in the chair going oh crime we are not ready to rebut that today.

Yeah. Let let me ask you this. So they uh one thing that you know throughout this whole thing I think I mentioned it last time you know my my viewers have really been asking like what I think about Tyler Robinson's criminal lawyers are they providing him with like the best and and obviously some think they might be involved in in whatever they might have going on up there and so when they didn't crossexamine the Brian Davis the main investigator in my opinion on the stand who I think made some misrepresent ations that even their prior the defense's prior motions indicate that there's a video showing Tyler had been taken into custody and arrested at much earlier date uh by Brian Davis on the arrest part of that by the way at a much earlier you know but they never cross-examined him. Was that odd to you or do you see some ultimate maybe for trial that they didn't want to do [snorts] that or what's your take?

Yeah. Yeah, I don't get it. I don't I I don't see how it hurts them. And my belief is that it's always easier to catch people in a lie if you get them under oath more than once.

Yeah. So yeah, for that reason in a DUI whether there's a really good motion to suppress or not, you move to suppress because at in support of the constitutionality of their seizure of evidence or their taking of statements, the police are going to have to testify. And when they testify, what you do is if there's two or three of them, you exclude them from the courtroom and all the others and you take them one at a time. Police are terrible about getting their stories straight.

They they're just terrible. If there's seven cops, you exclude them all and you question them all se separately, you almost have to be incompetent to not establish some important um conflicts between the testimony of the police officers because there's they they just don't work hard enough at the investigative process even when they're doing something like conducting a search arrest. So I think that um that there is a real wasted opportunity there and I don't know why it happens. Yeah, I really don't.

I've I've I've probably, you know, there's the old statement of don't ask a question in cross-examination unless you know the answer. Well, that's not necessarily true. If you are conducting discovery, if what you're doing at this time is you are trying to discover what other things Davis knows and why it was that um the I believe that he relayed hearsay testimony about uh Tyler's own prior statements and conduct if I got that right. Yeah.

A and to me, you know, just to pry into that hearsay testimony. Now, who exactly are you quoting? When did they say it? Where were they?

Did you know about their basis of knowledge? Are you sure they weren't just repeating something that they heard? And if they were just repeating something that they heard, then your testimony is kind of meaningless, isn't it? Yeah.

And you know, all cross-examination ultimately should attempt to elicit admissions from the examined witness. I'm always amazed that they don't do it. It's like you want to make that person. You have the power to use leading questions.

You cannot use leading questions on your own witnesses. Correct. But with your own with with opposing witnesses, it's almost malpractice in my opinion to not use leading questions. You an adverse witness should move from yes to yes to yes to yes, leaving the unmistakable impression that this lawyer knows just about everything.

Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. That's that's what leading questions are for.

and they sound great on a hostile witness, you know, you can tell that person doesn't want to go there. Yeah. Just like they sound weak on a direct witness, you know. Yeah.

you know, somebody like uh the questioning um you know, a lot of what we've gotten here, the entire case, I think if the way I see it, this little vision that I get in my mind when I see what's going on, it's preliminary hearing, I see an oldfashioned police sergeant in like the tombs in New York in like a story by Damon Renan. And you know, he knows the guy. " Yeah. Yeah.

Sorry. Caught him at it again. You know, it's like Ed, you're still doing it. You know, it's like I can't stop us.

You know, 30 days, you know. [laughter] It's like that's what I You know, that's what I see. Or them over. You know, it's like just this this level of what are we doing here?

We're listening to the investigators. We're listening to deputy dog after deputy dog telling us that he chewed the usual bone, you know, and uh so that that's that's the way I see it. And therefore, I think the the these these prosecutors know what they're doing. And I don't think they are setting themselves up to um have the case dismissed.

I doesn't I I don't think so. I think [clears throat] they know what they're doing. I think they have a case that they're going to present and we're all going to have to study and learn it over again when they do because it's not going to be um it's not going to be what's going on at the preliminary hearing. I'm sorry.

You know, we cannot we cannot say they will fail because they're not going to put on the same case. So what's going to happen the you know the the what the prosecution will have to do if they want to create some gap in credibility between the story that was told at the preliminary hearing and the more complete detailed and convicting story that's going to be told at trial. They have to study that really really closely and look for those sources is of impeachment. As I said, you know, three ways to prove a lie.

If we always remember it, you can put three columns next to any statement and put a check mark in the one that applies. The first column says contradicted by witness's own testimony. The second colossum is contradicted by other witnesses testimony. Note that was officer soandso at page suchand so.

This is how you put together your trial notebook. And then in the third one, contradicts law of nature. No one can see through a post office. You know, I remember there was a case like that.

You know, [laughter] it's like, well, I saw him. It's like, did you consider that the post office was your line of sight, [laughter] man? So, so if you remember those three and that's, you know, that's kind of what I'd like to share with our audience is kind of the discipline of of working with evidence because I personally think evidence is a is a beautiful science. Yeah.

is uh dedicated to discovering the truth. And what it has us doing a lot of the time is sorting through the relative value and validity of evidence that is coming from a very unreliable source always because it's coming from a human brain. Yep. And if we know uh you know they call them the fallacies of testimony.

Um everyone has heard the stories um about how wrong our perceptions can be. And you know the classic example to me of course is the the person who's mistaken for being intoxicated but actually they're you know they're having a diabetic attack or they're they're they're paraplegic and they [clears throat] don't have their you know their assistance you know so um those you know that clarifying that perception is like way what I think lawyers do and they help they help juries understand sometimes that what 30 minutessounded utterly damning turns out to be completely wrong. Yeah. And sometimes conduct that looked innocent when properly examined turns out to have the ping fingerprints of guilt all you know but you know it's a very challenging situation for some the lawyers in Robinson's uh for Robinson's lawyers but just to come back around to what we started with.

Yeah, I think they I think you should always examine every witness, every police witness, every opportunity you get. Not stupidly, but Yeah. You know, to establish grounds for future impeachment to know what they say, you know. Yeah.

Yeah. Um and just, you know, evidence, by the way, just for the people out there, it's one of the hardest classes in law school, really. Like you say, it's a science, too. I I made an A in evidence.

I got one of like the only three A's in evidence in in law school. Like one of my most proudest proudest feats. But it's very difficult, right? It's very difficult and good trial lawyers, you know, kind of uh separate themselves from other trial lawyers by being not only very knowledgeable in the rules of evidence, but being quick on their feet uh with the rules of evidence, with objections and responding to objections, uh things of that nature.

I mean, wouldn't you agree? I think yes. I often um ha uh was amazed um at the attentiveness of jur of judges in misdemeanor trials. I I was like, you know, Ray White probably judged a thousand DUIs, but I never objected that he didn't know what that objection was about and it was ready to either rule or hear a sidebar and figure it out real quick.

And yeah, I was like that is I because I just I'm just amazed that some of them their minds don't wander, but other ones, you know, they're just not that attentive. And so, but art evidence is definitely definitely an art form. And a quick little quick little uh trivia, legal trivia. Um the uh I think the Wigmore the greatest evidence scholar was actually a lawyer in India and his treatise on evidence is the smallest portion of his work.

I mean it's a vast treatis mind-blowingly big you and I get it done in a lifetime. He did that and he wrote dozens of treatises on Indian law and how the um her majesty's government um ran India. It was you know and he had religious insight. Wigmore is a really really intelligent man.

And and I what I I really love about it is when you get into things like you think 13 hearsay exceptions. Well, it gets down to things like well if that you know unavail is unavailable the biggest distinction among all the hearay um exceptions. Some require that the person who said the words that are being repeated by another party in court that they're unavailable. In other words, if this person is available, they must be brought here.

And that is that just takes you to the beginning of seeing how judges weigh things. This is this is this type of testimony is probably too potentially prejuditial to run the risk that it's being inaccurately reported. Let's bring the person who said it to tell it. And so, but then there are things like you uh you know, we were talking about dying declarations.

They're generally considered to be quite reliable. The is there, you know, that family is there and said, you know, I I I admit it. You know what Susie said? It was always true.

I molested her in third grade, you know. Okay. I bet everybody's gonna believe that. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Um what was I going to ask you? uh real quick. So in in this just general legal education, you know, in the preliminary hearing pretty much the rules of evidence are extremely relaxed uh you know for a number of different reasons, but obviously you know judge heard a lot of what would otherwise be inadmissible evidence, you know, in this preliminary hearing. you know, explain just a little bit what that process is because, you know, judge is able to as a lawyer take that back into chambers and then kind of disregard evidence that he thinks would not be admissible at trial.

Uh, you know, and so again, we end up hearing a lot of inadmissible stuff, but judge is going to sort through that on the back end. Do you want to just like put a little bit better bit of an explanation on that for for the viewers? Well, I think what I what I would discuss is I'd go straight to the concept of limited admissibility and admissibility for 35 minuteslimited purposes. So, for example, uh a person might say, uh, we're having a dispute, your honor, over whether the deck hand shouted from the kitchen, it's on fire, whether that can be put and and and the other lawyer says, "Your honor, this is not hearsay.

It is not being offered for the truth of the matter. We don't care whether there was in fact a fire in the kitchen. What we want to know is that the man who spoke was there. That's all we need to know.

So for the limited missibility of the purpose that somebody heard him shout, there's a fire down here. We can establish, but we're just trying to establish in the kitchen. We don't care that there was a fire. So that'd be limited.

And sometimes the jury the judge will give you a limiting instruction before you go into the jury room and will say you are to consider the statement of the deck hand only for purposes of determining whether he was there or not and not for determining whether there was a fire. Yeah, that's limited admissibility. So, and a lot of people say nobody can do that. Nobody can do that but a judge.

And I I kind of tend to think it's true and I think it's very hard to imagine a judge doing it and yet I've kind of seen them do it. Yeah. I think there is a that you know that the judicial mind when well disciplined I like I say I was already you know saying can be an astonishing thing. Their their attention is remarkable and it's a f it's it's a phenomenal system.

I mean, I I was telling someone today, you know, just chatting and I said, "When it's really working well, it's just thrilling to be part of it. " Yeah. It really is. You know, and you know, every now and then, you know, I mean, uh, you know, you'll you'll see that a judge is pleased with the way a trial has gone, that this is how it's supposed to go.

" But you folks have seen a trial done right. So yeah, go do the rest of the work, right? Yeah. You know, and Yeah.

So I always say I've never missed an opportunity to be on a jury. I've never been on one, you know, because they won't let me on. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Um, so you're aware too that, you know, there's apparently a witness at a steakhouse like three and a half hours away from UVU campus that was missed that Baron brought up that, you know, uh, was was apparently it was known that there's evidence putting Tyler Robinson like three and a half hours away from UVU, you know, basically breaking the timeline of him having come back late that evening to try to retrieve the rifle. And so, you know, there's a Baron was kind of getting on the ass of really everyone in the courtroom, the prosecutors, the defense attorneys. I mean, you know, the fact that the defense has failed, at least so far, to properly develop or at least attempt to develop that alibi witness.

I mean, what are your feelings about that? Well, um, my first thinking is that it's it's it's fascinating that it's kind of like, you know, the Baker Street Irregulars, um, out there. You may remember who they were their Sherlock Holmes' assistants little street merchants, the baker irregulars, you know, and they would, you know, they would discover stuff that, you know, Inspector Lstrad was not discover. And I think that's what what we're seeing here is that thanks to the investigative capacities of the internet and crowdsourcing and our ability to, you know, I I I I I think Candace gets credit for coming up with this fact.

I think she was the first one they reached out to when the FBI didn't really get back with them. So yeah, I think she at least at first started to develop that. Yeah. Yeah.

And so there you go. Um, you know, there you have people uh who knew something, but if there hadn't been someone who cared and who was had a public voice like Candace, who would they tell? I didn't want to know. You know, you got to go go and, you know, talk to your girlfriend about it.

" Okay, mate. You know, just watch the [ __ ] video. and you know so I think that that is this ecosystem of communication of which um you know you're a part and I I'm interested in in participating and I see see Baron doing this work and I see how an um I mean really captures you know I have an avid news watcher in my house right here my wife is very avid about news and so what captures her attention I know that it's being well presented and it's important. So I listen to her as well and and and so I I really it's she's excited about it to me.

I'm excited about it too because otherwise who would be talking about it? Who would there be to tell? So that's that's the first thing. And so then the question is how are the defense attorneys going to going to get this in?

And you know there's of course they hire their own investigators. I mean you don't know but uh you know our viewers don't know but a public uh defender can file a motion with a judge and request funding for any expert that they really need that they can show an a need for. And um and in fact, the failure to do that um I thought was something I I saw relatively often with federal public defenders. Um yeah, in the CJA panel, it's like just write that affidavit and 41 minutesget yourself that um that uh investigator and send them out there and if your client says he has an alibi, investigate it.

Yeah. Um so investigation obviously that's a source of information has been identified and they need to pursue it and then you know how the how will they get it in what kind of resistance are we're going to see from the government and again this just to come back to cell phone mass location data um I would think that we would not have a dispute um if we established that the cell phone was at the steakhouse house. Yeah. Over there in there was the there was a question about whether he can get back to Orum fast enough to Yeah.

And the answer was no. And what happens we've got that we've proved a lie by the third method violates the laws of nature. 42 minutesSo, you know, so I I tell you just just keep it in mind. And why do I keep coming back to it?

because it's the trial lawyer's ability to literally almost run through your mind and when you hear that lie, you're asking, you quickly know. It's like, is that contradicted by what he said before at the preliminary hearing or is it contradicted by what detective so and so said yesterday and or is that even possible? Yeah. You know, always go through those.

Did he say this? Is that consistent? Is it inconsistent with his buddies? Is it inconsistent with reality?

And if so, you won't miss a trick. And I think the reason I say this is because people do trial lawyers too, they tend to get hypnotized by a piece of favorable evidence that they think is going to turn the tide. It's going to change you everything. And I I think that is not how trials work.

Quite the reverse. Your case runs out through a little hole. you failed to plug just it's like there was that yeah there was what well it's so why did you you know when I was a prosecutor so why not guilty it's like you know the defense attorney said it that that could have happened and you didn't actually answer that and you know that's where it's you know so really um I I I try not to be hypnotized by really dramatic pieces of evidence and vital if but they'll generally speaking CNN in perspective, they're only going to help you win this part of the battle. Yeah.

To be a trial lawyer that who is effective, it means that you got to cognize the entire arc of the narrative that starts when those jurors walk in sworn and sit down. " And at that moment, the narrative begins. You know, there's been opening statements. Of course, that's that tone and everything.

Good for you. You picked your jury. But now the journey begins. The rocket launches and it's going to go all the way to judgment and you really it's and it's it's a constant phase and it's building and I forget who was talking about I think it was Baron was talking telling the old the old trial story about how when you see them when you see the jurors rocking in their chairs, you know, that's when you know you're making points.

And that's true. You can tell when they're engaged. And what happens as a criminal defender, always happens, they walk in thinking your client guilty. My friend Peter Karini, he cleared three jurors off a jury in Eugene just by saying this one question.

He said, "How many of you folks think that my client, Mr. " Just put it just like that. One, two, three. Boom.

They were out of there. Annie, the judge was losing it. She was losing it. She was losing it.

" Yeah. " [laughter] And we almost did. I almost did. She's but I got three not guilties, you know, out of four out of four charges.

And you know, so, you know, that's sometimes the way you got to, you know, rush the guns. But, uh, the, you know, the process of going through the trial, you, like I say, you got to think through that trajectory. And what you're going to see is that the jury and the jurors, if you're good, they're going to go from that point of view of they're guilty, they're charged. you know, look at them.

Look at that dope, whatever it is, you know, look at those pictures of the victim, whatever it might be, you know, and then and the, you know, and of course you see them in opening statements. You can tell opening statements, you literally see like the prosecutors comes in and they go and then a good defense lawyer comes in, does an opening statement, go [laughter] and then they're back to [ __ ] I don't know. And that's where it opens. And you if you win their confidence consistently, then and then only toward the very end could you start to say things like who put this plan in motion?

How come all the evidence questionable it is is all points in this one direction? When all the questionable evidence points in one direction, that's got to tell you something, folks. " I do believe you will definitively lose. Yeah.

Absolutely. Yeah. You will block the door. And so I think that, you know, those of us who are quite concerned that he might be um that, you know, we're going to have to exercise some patience.

Um we're not going to hear that much of that stuff. And that's that does not mean that the lawyers are sold out. you know, that does not mean that at all. That that may very well mean that they're being judicious.

And it's like when I tell people when you're taking testimony, cross-examining, always start with points of agreement. Get as many gimmies as you can. So, you're born right here in town. Yeah.

Went to Medford, went to Crater High. Yeah. Where to the Black Tornado? No.

All right. , etc. Yeah. I mean, so well, just tell me why you had to make a U-turn in the middle of town like that.

You know, [laughter] it's like you finally I did all the I I did all the easy stuff. So, I you know, that's the question is sometimes you see the defense lawyers and you go, they're doing all the easy stuff and that may very well be the right thing to do. But if there's never any thunder, if there's never any lightning, then you you you've got to wonder, you know, I mean, yeah, you know, there's got you got to re they are the police. They are trying to convict your client.

they did say negative things, you know, we're either going to crack them open and back them up or um you know, or open the door a little wider and show that the full story isn't being told. And so, you got to ask all those things. I mean, you ask yourself, you know, like a lot of people were disappointed when OJ was o was uh convicted, not convicted. I mean, me, but you saw some very skillfully trial and you saw very poor prosecutorial work.

Very Yeah. Yeah. And investigative work, too, you know. Um, and and I think there's maybe a hint of that in the investigative realm here, too.

You know, one of the the s the agent hole, the guy who has like the bike helmet looking uh 49 minutesthe the Australian guy, you know, they asked him a question about well, when you got there, you know, they had um you know, they had apprehended George Zen and that went over the radio, but then come to find out that wasn't the suspect and you heard about it and he tested that basically like, well, it didn't matter to me. that wasn't the shooter I was looking for. You know what I mean? It's like, okay, that wasn't the shooter you were looking for.

Like, who do you have in your mind? I mean, it just and I caught it. So, it was very suspicious to me. Yeah.

Yeah. Some of that laser focus. I think they came across with some of that this time where it's like, did y'all really explore all the possibilities here? Yeah.

Yeah. And um I'm just going to mention again for those of my uh of our our audience who like to read legal writing, get a copy of Wellman's The Art of Crossexamination. It's filled with famous cross-examinations. There's one in there of a guy that was a perjured.

It's called questioning the perjured witness. And it is just so brilliant because it shows you how when you got the guy in a lie, boom, then you really want to hang him, get him to embellish it. Yeah. get him to tell you exactly in detail three, four more questions about how exactly he did the thing that you're going to prove to the Jew he did not do could not have done, you know, and that is that is such an art.

So, but you know, you're not going to see you're not going to see too much of that until trial. And I think that that these investigators um that you know this is really actually that's why I say the cross-examination at this time is really important because what they know less about the case than they're going to know. The prosecutors know less about the case. The prosecutors haven't figured out precisely how they're going to enlarge the proenium and take in new facts that they concealed at the preliminary hearing stage.

They don't know yet. and like say everybody's working hard, everybody's really busy, but I don't think that they've gotten to the point um where they really know precisely what they're going to do. So, as [music] you know, as civil lawyers like to say, get them in cement right now. Excuse me.

I'm going to have to take a quick call here. Go for it. Thank you. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, so yeah, thank you everybody who showed up. I'll look at some comments real quick while we wait on Charles. God bless everybody.

Uh Dave uh uh Debbie, thank you very much for all the super chats and all the memberships. God bless you. And to all those people who get the memberships, God bless. Thank you.

Uh Charlie's Angels, thank you. God bless. Um in a case last year, YouTuber f filmed every car in parking lots during Bor Dire uh then identified and 52 minutessold your info after the jurors were threatened. This one is even more high-profile thoughts.

Oh, wow. Incredible. I'm going to save that for for Charles. I'm gonna wait till he gets back to address that Charlie's.

But, you know, my thought, look, just the way things are going, I have been thinking that, you know, the jury pool here being tampered with in some way, whether that be bought or potentially even threatened. Uh, I don't think that that's outside of the realm of possibilities here. Right. I really really don't.

Um and so you know what you're mentioning here obviously would be a potential part and parcel of that kind of operation right where they're coming and to be quite honest with you just depending on how deep and you know wide this this SCOP goes in my opinion allegedly right they might even have access to the potential jury pool because right the mailings will go out for jury service that day well ahead of time. Okay. Well, the clerks, people in the clerk's office have access to that list, right? And so, it is very much possible for uh you say the attorneys or parties or some nefarious unknown third party or organization or entity to get their hands on that information and then go to work uh and and even might even have a chance of contacting the potential jurors before they even step foot uh into the parking lot there at the courthouse.

Right. And so, you know, the way I see this, my opinion is that the evidence against Tyler Robinson is just in any real meaningful sense, meaning real meaningful solid evidence against him is is pretty much non-existent if you ask me. Um, obviously, you have this Lance Twigs testimony um that they're basically having to use for everything, quite frankly. I mean, I think that the DNA evidence is not solid.

The ballistics evidence is not solid. And if that was all they had to hang their hat on or the the video evidence, right, of him allegedly being at the UN at the at campus that day, not solid, right? And so the only potential evidence where you could say, "Oh, okay. " and and those those screenshots of those texts and I just don't think that there's going to be a jury if again if the defense shows up ready to do battle.

I have my doubts and reservations even about that based upon what we saw at this preliminary hearing. And I'll say this real quick is that, you know, beyond them failing to cross-examine Agent Davis, I thought they really didn't do uh as effective or um strong enough cross-examination as they could have on some of the other witnesses. Uh but two, you know, they filed the motion to declare the 1102 uh reliable hearsay unconstitutional and then they also filed that motion to have judge try to force Lance Twigs to come to this preliminary hearing to be cross-examined. Well, you know, the fatal defect, and Charles and I actually mentioned this a little bit on our last live stream, but the fatal defect in both of those motions, well, I say fatal, but one of the major things that judge mentioned in denying it was that they never identified for judge exactly what testimony of Lance Twigs that they would seek to cross-examine.

That created the problem for such a large need to cross-examine. yet they presumably had the copy of his video and other statement that he made to police. So to me that was very fishy because as a lawyer and civil and criminal, yeah, you need to kind of tell judge what the problem is exactly in order to get a remedy. But if you're not telling judge what exactly the testimony or potential 56 minutestestimony is going to be that needs to be cross-examined or or uh you know Tyler Robinson's rights will be violated.

How could he ever pro grant you relief? A fatal fault in my opinion. So why is that? Why did they fail to do that?

Right? Why did they fail to do that? I mean, you could have asked me or any like even some of the non- lawyer YouTubers, what's some potential Lance Twig's testimony that the defense will definitely want to cross-examine, you know, related to the text, uh, you know, XYZ, there was quite a bit of it. We all could have pitched in and given them one or two things to put in there, but for them not to include that in that um in their motion to me is a a pretty big signal that they're either grossly incompetent.

I don't I really don't think that's it. Or they're just not there to play on Tyler Robinson's team. You know, that's just my opinion right now. Um, and obviously this failure to cross-examine Brian Davis and then now 57 minuteswith Baron, you know, and and I think Baron's pretty much all the way there too whenever we found out through Diligent Dennison um that they did not develop this alibi witness, right?

an alibi witness that, you know, could have or could still potentially, right, throw a wrench, complete wrench in that fed slop timeline, uh, and make them look at least in that instance that, oh, Tyler came back at, you know, within this amount of time at this amount of time to try to retrieve the rifle and that this officer, you know, had this encounter with life. All that could potentially be undermined and made th that officer and the DAs and those other people look like the liars I think they really are. You know, the missing out on that opportunity so far. Yeah, man.

I think it border lines on malpractice, too. if it not is malpractice and ultimately I think could lead to Tyler getting uh over uh an appeal and overturn any judgment on ineffective assistance of counsel, right? " But hell, you never even identified what what you would cross-examine anyway. So like that's not effective in and of itself.

It's just a whole mess, right? And quite frankly, again, I'll say it. I'm now to the point uh and I made a post this line. I think it's a total stop.

Just my opinion. I think it's a total stop. And and quite frankly, I think pretty much everyone you see in front of the bar, right? talking about attorneys, uh, judge, right?

Uh, the the investigators, officers, I think they're all part of a show. I think it's all part of a show. Uh, whether Tyler Robinson is is in on that show or not, I haven't 100% come down to a decision on that quite yet. Although, I'm starting to also believe that he is also an agent, too.

Um, him and Lance, they seem to me not furry trans lovers. It seems to me like they were probably working in some back technology office for one of these threeletter uh either law enforcement or intelligence agencies and uh got a chance to go out into the field and and do some exciting work. Right. I'm starting to think that.

I'm starting to think that. Let me know what y'all think about that in the comments. Right. And and to be quite honest with you, to the extent that we might have to suffer through seeing a potentially what what is the by all appearances would be an innocent young man get unal alive for this.

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Casket Photo Op Timeline is REALLY Short; and Where Did Danny Philip Look at the Big Bang- Ep 145
Baron Coleman
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We take a look at the casket photo op timeline. It was incredibly tight. And Weird.

We also take a look at Charlie Kirk's assistant Danny Philip and figure out where he looked at the moment of the Big Bang.

Finally, we dig through Lance Twiggs's nihilistic and disturbing Reddit posts.



Transcript

Chapter 1: Intro You guys crack me up. Uh guys, welcome in. Welcome in. Welcome in.

Late night edition apparently. Um but we will allow it. The World Cup and all that. Push everything.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Um we'll be back to normal at some point. Guys, welcome in. We have a nice show lined up for you today. We have a lot of uh fun items to discuss and a little Easter egg here that we will drop later in the program.

Um, I don't know if I'm going to I've got a clip I wanted to play, but I don't know if I'm going to end up playing it at the end of the show or not. It's uh, somebody guessed white hoodie. I It's white enough, right? I mean, it's kind of whitish.

Um, but uh, let me let me say something here. We we we've had a my open is going to hit on this, but I want to say it outright. We got to focus, guys. We got to focus.

Um, the prosecution had a disastrous week last week. We will go over that in the open. How terrible it was. Just [clears throat] how terrible it was.

and how horrific the headlines should have been. If this was an honest media, an honest news environment, and an honest case, a normal case, we would have absolutely, without a doubt, that's all people would have been focusing on is you guys brought this case with that evidence. Um, but instead, we were kind of flooded with a an avalanche of BS. And we'll talk about it.

We'll go through some of it, but it's it didn't just end at the end of last week. This week they've avo they've uncapped an avalanche of more BS and we're going to get to that as well. We also have a treasure trove of Lance Twig's social media posts to go over. Is he the person we think he is or is he worse or is he better?

We'll find out. Uh you guys will make your own determination there. I also want to get into a timeline of sorts. The mortuary timeline.

We all saw the video, the creepy video where she's apparently allegedly miked up. Erica leaning over the casket, rubbing all over Charlie's dead body, whispering, you know, sweet. It's It was creepy and weird. I'm telling you right now, if I'm ever over a casket of a loved one, miked up, you guys are free to never watch me again.

You can write me off. I'll turn the show off, delete the channel, and go on with my life because that would be the end of me. That would be the end of my self-respect, and I would be done. It raises the question of why would you release something like that?

Um, that's not something normal people do. In fact, I've never seen it before in my life. We've all seen the video. We've seen the pictures.

And tonight, we'll drill down on the timeline leading up to that picture and that video because we now know where that video was taken. And we know just how tight the timeline was to get that picture taken. And we're going to ask a very important question after we go through it all. And so, we'll get uh we'll get going on that in a little bit.

That that is a that is one of the weirdest stories I've ever encountered. I still can't get over how weird it is. And I can't get over the fact that everyone around her ignores it and acts like that's normal. That is not normal behavior.

Period. End of story. You will never see a self-respecting person do that ever again. That's the last time hopefully you'll ever see it.

Uh but I do want to get into the opening right away because I don't want the show to get too long. It is late. It is late. So, um let me dig right into the open.

[clears throat] Haven't done that in a while. This is your opening statement.

Chapter 2: Opening Statement - Flooding the Zone with Doo Doo

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Chapter 3: Charlie Kirk Allegedly Leaves Orem for Medical Examiner around 8pm the timeline. I want to get into the timeline here real quick because we have several videos that we can begin to use to put Charlie's body I mean I hate to be so crash but it it's what it is. We can begin to put Charlie's body in particular places at particular times. Uh, for example, I have footage here of when Charlie was leaving Tempanogga's hospital in Oram, Utah.

And I can tell you what time this video was taken. It was around 8:00 at night, give or take. And I'll show you the video here. We've watched it before.

I'm going to turn the sound off because I want to talk over it because I blab a lot. That was a joke. If you nodded your head in agreement, go to confession. [laughter] All right, here we go.

Here is the video. This is Charlie's body leaving the hospital. That's Tempanogas Regional Hospital. They've got a line of cars lined up ready to take him away.

It's 8:00 at night. There goes the first police car. They had a police escort. I don't blame them.

I don't blame them. It's a high-profile event. Look how many people are standing around just to watch a minivan leave. I It's pretty pretty impressive.

This was, I think, a couple of minutes maybe before . I'll fast forward through it a little bit so we can get to the uh get to the cars themselves leaving. But there they go. You can see all these cars pulling out.

You can see all these people walking around and they're headed to the medical examiner's office. They're leaving Tempenogus in Oram, Utah, and they're heading to Salt Lake City. That's about give or take a drive, maybe an hour, give or take. o, they're heading that way.

Well, that puts him there no earlier really than . Well, once you get there, you got to get the body out of the car. I hate to sound crank body, but I mean, it's what it is. You got to get him out of the car.

You got to get him into the medical examiner's office. You got to get him prepped. Most of the time, I looked at the policies in Utah. Most of the time they do not do medical examinations outside of business hours or weekends.

m. in Tempenogus in Oram and he doesn't arrive in Salt Lake City till , that's outside of business hours. But let's just say they decided to do a middle of the night examination. How long does an examination last?

Uh, best case guess I can get on a typical gunshot wound victim is around 2 to four hours. 2 to from start to finish. That's the examination. That's not prepping the body back.

You know, I don't know if you've seen an autopsy. They're pretty wild. You got to put things back together. Uh, then you got to put things back together and then then he would be ready to go.

Typically bodies aren't released immediately after the examination. They're put back in the morg at the medical examiner's office where they stay for another 24 to . while the paperwork process is in their release. But when you have the vice president of the United States on his way in, things change, things change, right?

You you get treated differently. Two, we talk about two systems of justice. We talk about two systems. There's two systems here because when you have that kind of a an attention, you might get a middle of the night medical examination.

You might get released the same day. m. We know that for a fact because we have original reporting to that effect. I will show you that now.

m. we have a newscast that had somebody positioned outside the medical examiner's office. We assume they didn't arrive exactly at 504 and immediately go on air. This morning, we are told Charlie Kirk's body is at the medical examiner's office here in the Salt Lake Valley.

We do have a crew at the building and we'll let you know if there are any developments there. KSL News Radio's Randall Jeepson was on the scene at UVU shortly after the shooting took place and he caught up with Henry Dells. That was the first person who asked Charlie Kirk a question. And we don't need to listen the whole thing.

I am so glad they did not have cameras in the studio when I did talk radio because I would not have been ready like that. I usually look like a bum. I still look like a bum even though there's cameras, but I at least take a shower before I go on. m.

I have no idea what time they get up, what time they get to the studio, what time they prep a show. This is crazy. m. m.

crew uh where I worked, they did not look like that. [laughter] They were there in their PJs and we didn't have cameras in there, but time changes. You got to adjust. m.

they had people on site. They had people on site. And guess what? m.

So, there were people there all morning. m. m. m.

m. Yeah, Brian. It's really quiet out here right now. It seems like work has left for the day and it's been quiet since this morning.

We've been here since 10:00 and we haven't seen any action. So, we don't know how long Charlie Kirk's body was here at the medical examiner's office. m. m.

and saw nothing. They saw nothing. m. m.

m. m. That's only . That seems awfully rushed.

You've got to get the body in. You got to get it prepped for the examination. You have to do the examination. That doesn't it's not like a one minute deal.

Like that takes time in and of itself. Then you have to do the examination. That could take upwards of four hours or more. Then you got to put everything back together, get them cleaned up, and get them back into whatever you're going to transport him in.

You got to train, you got to move the body back to the parking lot. You got to get them loaded up. You got to drive away. All that had to be done by like .

When was there time to do an accurate medical examination? What happened? What happened? You know, there were rumors early on that there was no autopsy done.

I know there's a medical examination. I know there's a report, but who how how that seems like it the timeline doesn't work. Nevertheless, I will accept on its face that it happened. I will accept on its face that it happened.

m. before 4 4:30 really, he was transported to his um to the mortuary that was going to prepare his body. We know where it went. I'll show you that in a second.

And we know because of a receipt, Chapter 4: Alo Receipt Gives us Earliest Possible Time Erika Could Have Been at Funeral Home we know what time or we know the earliest that the uh Erica Kirk party could have possibly left to go see him. You guys see this email pop up from time to time. Don't email that. com if you need to email it.

Um I spend like the first of my day blocking everybody who emailed that email. Don't email that. That's a that's I use that and I can't have it be full. Um so we've got this order placed at uh September 11th.

We've got all these different things. I don't care what they bought. I'm not that kind of person. It doesn't really bother me.

m. that the order was placed. Well, if you're doing a pickup order and it's , let's just assume it's the greatest aloe in the history of the world and that they had everything ready in for you to pick up. So, you place the order , , we'll call it that.

You've got to after you pick up your order, you got to drive back to the hotel. you got to put your order on because these are the clothes these people were seen in. We can compare what they were wearing later in the day to that order and we can see it. We know those are the clothes they were wearing.

And so they couldn't have left the hotel. I mean, let's say that it was the hotel was away, 10-minute walk, 10-minute drive, whatever you I mean, five minute curbside pay, I don't know, man. Just the fastest aloe in the history of mankind. What's the earliest they could have left the hotel?

Noon. Maybe um I might even argue like 12:30 or 1, but let's just let's just give them the benefit of the doubt. Just give them the benefit of the doubt. Let's say it's noonish.

Noonish. Um here we have uh the picture. Let me see if I can Chapter 5: We Found the Funeral Home Location in Utah Which Gives Even Better Timeline um actually we didn't um we didn't fix that picture, Daisy. the uh casket picture.

Okay, you have it. I'll wait a second to show it. We have a picture of Erica Kirk draped over the casket. And we were initially told that this picture was taken at a different funeral home.

We didn't know if this was taken in Arizona. We didn't know if this was taken in Utah. We had no idea new context for this. This picture was not released until after Erica gave her speech on September 12th.

33 minutesAnd so there was really no idea where the picture was taken. We had no idea what funeral home it was. He was at a funeral home in Utah because the he left the medical examiner's office and went to a funeral home, but we didn't know which one. Then we know he went to Air Force 2 and went back to Arizona to a different funeral home.

We did know which one that was cuz we had pictures of it pulling in. So we were able to look at the interior of the funeral home where it pulled into and realized that's not the same funeral home where the picture took place. So those pictures weren't in Arizona. They couldn't have been.

I don't think unless they have some room that they don't show on their internet and it looks exactly like a room we found in Utah because we dug around all This is the level of research Daisy does. We dug around all of the funeral homes in the area. Luckily for us, they have different furniture, different carpet, different trimmings on the walls, different paneling, and we were finally able to figure out which room this picture was taken in. It was not an easy process.

The amount of work that goes into this program for something, but we were able to figure it out and we found the room. It's this room here. This is the room where the picture was taken. And we know because there's paneling on the wall consistent with what we saw.

We saw these lamps, these little tri lamps here. And we saw this carpet. It's a strangely colored. The carpet reminds me of the girl's dress.

You couldn't tell if it was white or blue. Like was it blue and black or white and gold? And everybody argued about it. That's what the carpet reminds me of.

So I hesitate to tell you this is blue and gold carpet because you guys may be seeing white and black or something. I don't know. But it's mystery dress colored carpet with a mystery pattern of some sort. But we were able to by looking at dad gum near every funeral home website in Utah figure out that this was the room.

It had to be because we ruled out all the others. Someone said it looks gray. Okay. See, I try I try, guys.

I try to be accurate and I can't be accurate when they put someone says they see white and black. I'm telling you, when they put mystery dress colored carpet in there, I can't accurately describe it. But we were able to find the picture. We were able to find the room.

And by finding the room, we're able to map out how long it would take to get from the medical examiner's office to that funeral home. More importantly, we're able to find out how long it would take to get from that funeral home back to the airport because we have all of that timeline. Here is the picture just in case you don't believe me that this was the same funeral home. Tell me this is not the same place.

It absolutely is the same place. Those are the tri lamps. That's the panled wall. And there is your mystery colored carpet.

And that's the aloe outfit. So, we know it was after the aloe trip. We know it was after the aloe trip. So it's sometime after say they left the hotel at noon, hour or so to get there.

So it's after 1. I would maybe argue it's even after two, but that would be me being conservative on the timeline. I'll be very liberal and give them the benefit of the doubt. That picture was taken at that room.

And at first I didn't think much about it until we laid out the timeline. Because if the earliest arrival time, we'll call it . If the earliest arrival time was , do you know what time Air Force 2 landed at Salt Lake City? Air Force 2 landed in Salt Lake City at .

It's an hour away. So if you get to the funeral home at 1:30 and the vice president of the United States lands an hour away an hour later, you would have to leave almost immediately to get there by . Well, they didn't get there at . They got there, we're guessing, around 3:30 based on the pictures and everything else we're able to find.

37 minutesHere's a picture of Charlie Kirk and a hearse arriving at the Salt Lake City airport where Air Force 2 was. And we know now that it's the right funeral home. Golf01 will tell us it's Golf. And trust me, it's the golf draper branch of the funeral home.

I can just tell you without a doubt, I'm confident that's where it was. The Golf Funeral Home Draper branch. And again, you've got to after the photo op, you got to close the casket. You've got to get it ready to move.

You've got to bring in the little wheelie thing. You got to put them on the little wheelie thing. You got to wheel them through the funeral home. You got to wheel them through the garage.

You got to load them up into the car. You got to lock the casket in place. You got to shut the doors. You got to get your uh your group in a line.

I mean, this stuff takes time. This stuff takes time. It's not like you you wouldn't think run in do a photo op for three minutes and then like immediately all right let's pack it up let's go we did our photo op get out of here come on come on come on but when you look at the timeline it starts to look like that if the earliest they could have possibly arrived was around 1:30 and that's again I mean it's pretty conservative estimate and then they would have had to leave by 2:30 in order to get to the airport on And it's not like it takes one minute to pack up the body and get it into the purse. How how long was she sitting?

How long could she possibly have been there? , tops. It It's interesting because Charlie was in a suit and we know that he didn't take a suit to Utah. He was never seen in a suit.

Why would he take a suit unless he was planning to have a funeral, right? [laughter] I mean, if you catch me in a suit, I may not even be at a funeral because sometimes I don't wear suits to a funeral. Um, I'm giving a speech. Um, 39 minutesperhaps at a wedding.

Um, maybe at a funeral, I don't know. Um, and most people are that way. And he was not wearing a suit that day. If you watch his interview in the morning with uh with Andrew Smith at the restaurant event, he's not in a suit.

If you watch the Oram Utah event at pro at uh UVU, also not in a suit. Notice they don't live there. So it's not like someone went and ran and ran home and grabbed one for him real fast. That wouldn't make sense either, right?

I mean, it's not his suit. Can't be his suit. And if you look at the picture, and I'm not going to show it because it does show his body, and there's really at this point in the investigation really no reason to keep showing his body. But if you look at the picture and you look at the video, that's not a new suit.

They didn't go buy a suit, and it's certainly not a new tie, nor is it a tie, frankly, I think Charlie would wear. Um, it looks like they borrowed a clothes if I'm being honest. I It looks to me like they borrowed clothes. I would be open to correction if somebody wants to say, "No, no, no, no, no.

Tyler Boyer ran home and grabbed a suit in the chaos of the moment. Just absolutely knew without a doubt 100% he was going to need a suit for a photo op at the But I mean, why would you even think about that? Cuz you know you're going to bring him back to Arizona to bury him. Why would you even think you need a suit?

So, who'd you borrow a suit from? I'm telling you, I'm confident in this, by the way. I mean, there's lent all over it. It's just not a new suit, guys.

That is not a suit they just bought. That was put together in a rush and it was unnecessary. If Erica wants to spend a few minutes with him saying goodbye, he doesn't have to be in a suit. She saw him in the hospital in his condition he was in there.

He wasn't wearing a suit. You know, you could you put something on him and and if she wants to spend a few moments, but hastily throwing a suit. It's just weird. It's just weird.

And again, the timeline is so compressed. I mean, it could have been as low as like 15 to , maybe an hour at most. or an hour is like a long really stretching it, I think. And it it leads me to believe that this was And keep in mind, it wasn't just the picture.

I'm not showing the video, but you guys saw the video. Leaning into the casket, rubbing all over the body and whispering and hearing the fabric of either her clothes or his clothes rubbing against what appeared to me to be a microphone. I believe she was miked up for a photo op. And I think that is a level of weirdness that I cannot account for in this story.

to be miked up and doing a photo op in like a really compressed short period of time and and for why he's about to be on Air Force 2. He's going to be home in an hour, two hours tops. Get him into that funeral home, get his suit on him, and then visit with him. If I mean, it's just weird.

The whole thing is just weird. I'm I'm saying weird because that's the nicest thing I could say. I am really holding back what I want to say. because I don't believe it's just weird.

I believe it's cold and calculated. But I'm not going to go any further than that. Regardless, it had a very manipulative effect because when it was released, it was released after she gave her speech, which might lead one to believe that this all took place in Arizona because that's where she gave her speech and that's where his body was peacefully resting at a funeral home in Arizona. But I don't think that's true.

Our investigation does not lead me to believe that's the case. I am pretty confident that is 43 minutesat the Golf Funeral Home in Draper, Utah. And I just believe it was a photo op. Really, really weird to rush everyone down there, do a quick photo op, and then rush back up to the Salt Lake City airport.

Um, that was not the only photo op we got that day. Um, we had JD and Usha and Erica. Um, in Utah, this is, um, you got the Utah state flag there in the background. So, JD and Usha were there in Utah again.

Why? Why the photo ops? Why the photo ops? Um, we not to be outdone in wanting to post his own photo op, we had Tyler Ber at 4:41 when all this took place like earlier posting to social media the dignified transfer from the hearse to kill that because all you hear are jet sounds.

But they now granted if I'm Tyler, I'll probably record this, too. Uh it's not every day the vice president of the United States is is uh escorting your former boss. So I I don't blame him for recording it, but the the posting of it in the like later is really weird. Really weird.

This whole thing just feels like a manipulation tactic. It feels like it was designed to flood the zone with emotion. Feels like it was designed to distract from the fact that something was off from the very beginning about this whole story. I want to switch gears.

Chapter 6: Lance Twiggs Social Media Posts Reveal Completely Different Lance Twiggs What we're going to cover is a little weird. Um, and this is strange. I'll ease you into this cuz it's a little weird if we're being honest. We have a series of Reddit posts and we know these are Reddit posts from Lance Twigs because we got his username over the course of the investigation.

And we have one here. This is on the Jordan Peterson subreddit. This is a subreddit for fans of Jordan Peterson. How can an average person like myself avoid perilous pitfalls such as idiot?

This is not him. This is someone else. We'll get to Tyler, I mean Lance's answer in a second. This is someone else writing.

How can an average person like myself avoid perilous pitfalls such as ideological entanglements when even individuals with higher moral and intellectual caliber have fallen into them? Now, notice caliber spelled 46 minutescorrectly here, unlike when Tyler Robinson spelled on his text message. But I'm neither we're neither here nor there. People, here is an Lance's answer.

I want you to listen to this and and think about what we're told of his lifestyle, what we're told of his who he really was. Honestly, I think everyone's going to land in these pitfalls. It's part of being human. Doing your best to recognize and remedy that is all you can do.

Keep your strongest truths close to heart and don't be easily swayed in any direction without a strong and wellput together reason. This is Lance Twigs. Even then, you'll sometimes realize the environment, friends, or communities you choose to spend time with aren't helping you grow or progress. May otherwise be pushing towards an echo chamber.

Being able to take a step away and rep prioritize is the best you can do. If you aren't ever in a situation you don't want to be in, chances are you never go out and meet people in general. Remember that just discussing a topic doesn't mean falling into an ideological pitfall. Keep your statements and opinions in line with each other and make your own opinions based on factual evidence you have seen or read.

I think the largest pitfall anyone could fall into would be to simply take to heart the opinions they see on social media. If you don't choose a side, a side many times will choose you. Keep yourself grounded mentally and emotionally. And don't worry yourself about being infallible.

Is this the Lance Twigs we met through all this reporting? That guy sounded pretty sane. That said three years ago, guys. We've been doing this a year.

That was only a couple years before all this. Like That sounded like Nietz. [laughter] That sounded very sane. Not that Nietze was sane.

I'm just saying it sounded philosophical. It sounded uh well written. It sounded not like the lunatic we are told. Lance Twigs was almost like that was an act.

Almost like it was an op. Here's another Lance Twigs post. This is again on the Jordan Peterson, the Jordan Peterson subreddit. Again, for those that don't know who Jordan Peterson is, not exactly loved and adored by radical leftists.

Like Jordan Peterson was demonized the way Andrew Tate was, the way Joe Rogan was, the way Tucker Carlson is. These are people who are demonized for telling people you have it within yourself to be better than you are. You can always get better. You can always improve.

Very motivational type of guy. Here is the headline on this. This is not his headline. This is from the Daily Wire.

The post he's responding to is from the Daily Wire. AMC Theaters cancels drtransitioner film following transgroup's deplatforming campaign. What the story is saying is AMC theaters theater chain in America um had a film about a dransitioner, someone who had transitioned and now trying to go back to the way they were before and they canled the film. Lance commented on it.

He was not amused with the topic. He was not amused with the fighting on the topic. Instead, he said, "Is there an actual Jordan Peterson subreddit anywhere? One that talks about his work and discusses Dr.

" And then someone else chimed in. You have only four posts here. You mostly submitted to a RD R drama bait subredd. I don't know what that means.

And you post on 196. Your concern trolling is noted. And then Lance, oh no, I've read Jordan Peterson books, listen to lots of his YouTube lectures also. I just enjoy trolling post kind of subreddits.

Lance Quigs was a Jordan Peterson guy. a Jordan Peterson guy. Not exactly a wild lunatic political leftist. This is not who Jordan Peterson is.

This is not the type of people that read his books. I've read one. It was okay. It wasn't life-changing.

I wanted to know what all the hubhub was about. I think I have it on my desk over there some on my bookshelf. It was okay. 12 rules or something.

I can't remember what it was titled. was fine. It was not good or bad. But I would never in a million years have expected anyone reading that to be like some wackadoodle leftist, some trans furry.

I just wouldn't. Now, he also was active on the trans subreddits. I don't want to hide who he really was. We're showing you what we found.

This is from one of those and somebody asks, "What keep you what keeps you going? What stops you from dying? Do you still have hope? What do you do when you wake up and find yourself in a body that's not yours?

" Well, we all know he's a nihilistic psychopath, right? Well, hold please. This is Lance Twigs just not terribly long ago. For me, just the overall enjoyment of different new media still being released along with all the old stuff I haven't sifted through gives me more than enough dopamine.

Libraries feel like endless enough. Libraries feel endless enough. They're basically infinite entertainment. Beyond that, my boyfriend, the guy was an avid reader.

We're told that all he did was sit around and be a psycho and play games. He was mostly found at the library, cuddled up in the non-fiction section. Philosophy, perhaps the Jordan Peterson aisle. I'll be in philosophy.

P for Peterson. Huh? This is wild stuff. This is wild stuff.

Here is a Lance Twigs post on another trans subreddit. Apparently, there's more than one. Uh, this title was questions about HRT for gender fluid. And he just tells what his research has shown.

You'll have to be genetically lucky enough to get good hip growth. And no, HRT will not stop facial hair from growing. It may stop you from getting more than you have, and it will slow beard growth, but I've not heard of someone completely reversing their facial hair growth. solely off of HRT.

This Rword here, whatever that is, has been inconsistent at best from what I've read around the internet, it should stop or slow breast growth while allowing you to continue feminization. But I've read a lot more stories of people being frustrated that this drug isn't working as well as they'd hoped. Than I have of than I have of people saying it went according to plan. I've not used it, so your mileage may vary.

Please read the rules wiki and go through old post. She'll probably get better responses answers answers there than waiting for new responses. Well, isn't that awfully helpful from a total psychopath, gamer, Magic the Gathering? You know, some sort of shoot him up.

I don't know what he played. What about his mental capacity? Was he a snowflake? Was he a snowflake?

Was this the kind of guy who sat around just evil and mean and awful and just wanted people to be miserable? This guy's I I'd understand. I just don't know what to do. I'm being denied many opportunities because of transphobia.

I just wanted to buy myself a ball of ice cream and that's it. Not to think about my gender, but he got out of his way to make me feel sad. Then we get down to Lance. He said, "We don't have more sympathy for him, but he didn't follow you out of the store and try to misgender you three more times because the first time wasn't enough of a reaction.

" That doesn't sound like the way he's portrayed. I mean, he's basically telling people, "Grow up. Life's tough, man. Get a helmet if you need it.

You're scared, get a dog. But grow up. It just doesn't sound to me like the type of person who would be around Tyler and Tyler just being near a guy like this would become so radicalized that he would kill. Doesn't sound like it.

Doesn't sound like it. In fact, this one's a little coarse. I don't think it cusses, but it's a little coarse. Here is another time he's telling somebody to suck it up, buttercup.

This is uh from an anarchco capitalism subreddit. This is a hypothesis I've had. This is not him writing. This is the one he's responding to.

This is some guy named Shaun 10. Hypothesis I've had. that I'm pretty confident in. Nonsense like the bathroom debate, trans people in all in sports and all of that drag pushing uh and [clears throat] all and in general all the screaming trans folk you see on TV or in protests at rallies.

56 minutesIt's all stuff that conveniently creates a divide to force trans people to the left against the right which gets radicalized to hate them. It all seems orchestrated to create an oppressed minority to help maintain the left's power while also empowering the right to maintain the binary. Now, let me just pause right here. I could not agree with this guy more.

I heard this is not original to me and I wish I could credit the person who said this. It wasn't terribly long ago. I heard someone say that this trans stuff came way out of left field recently. And you would be tempted to say, "What the hell is this all about?

" I mean, you're talking like onetenth of 1% of the population and all of a sudden it's like the single biggest civil rights issue to ever come down the pike. and comparing it to the fight black people had in the 60s. Are you out of your mind? Like, this is totally different.

And I heard the person say, you know, it's almost as if the left, the populist left, the Bernie Bros, were sort of trying to take over the Democrat party. " You say, "Hm, that's not bad. " I don't agree with everything he says, but inflation is out of control and everything does seem to be getting completely too expensive and young people can't buy homes and no one can afford health insurance and gas is too high and what's going on in the world. How can we get be how can we fix this?

Well, the billionaire class got together and thought, well, we don't need this. They're on the verge of revolt. Roll out the trends. You roll them out.

Have the left start pushing it. That way the mainstream left says they're killing our movement. We need to get rid of them. And the hardcore right says we're not joining those people and they they go over to the right.

It's almost as if this was happening by design. That's not original thought to me and I did not have that thought before I heard it. So I wish I could credit the person who told me. I cannot remember who it was.

It was a podcast or something I was listening to. But that's the point this guy's making. To that Lance says, "I like how you worded this. " In other words, yeah, brother or sister or bister, preach on, kid.

They're trying to divide us over this issue. It's not worth dividing over. Unite. We got bigger problems on our hands than if somebody wants to wear a dress.

Yeah, I agree with you, Lance. Lance is my kind of Republican. [laughter] I have no idea what this guy turned into, but two years ago, he was all right with me. At least on that issue, at least on that post, this is not who we were sold.

I cannot imagine this guy coming out. Uh uh. Oh, did I miss one of the comments on there? Did he say something more than once?

No, he didn't. Oh. Oh, I misre I misresponded there. No, no, I mean not everything I said was what was written, but he actually was responding to this one.

When they're showing a man privates out in demon makeup, reading to kids, they're not representing that community. Well, I'm not talking about the confused 13-year-old kid who wants to feel normal. They go find the worst of society just to uh to hold up, just to own the right. " In other words, he I see why he's hanging out on the Jordan Peterson page.

Like, I I have friends that think this way. Lots of them. This is not all that outside of the mainstream, frankly. And you can't imagine after reading stuff like this, you can't imagine Tyler just living around a guy like this being, I should kill Charlie Kirk.

No, Lance is saying the opposite every step of the way. He's saying, "Don't get radicalized. Be grounded in who you are. Be confident.

Don't be scared. It's not worth it. They're trying to divide us. Stop this nonsense.

Now, Lance apparently had a bad experience at church. This is the what's your experience with spiritual abuse is the uh topic and then we did not click the view spoiler because it's somebody complaining about their thing and it's really not important to the comment. This is Lance talking about his experience. Was told I was demon was possessed by a demon and then within kicked out of the house because I started laughing and I wouldn't go to the bishop for a blessing.

Later found out they did just didn't like me and were looking for a way to get me out of the house. Wasn't even 18 at the time. That's him talking 1 minuteabout his parents, the ones he's currently living with in Texas. Like that's those are harsh words.

But now all of a sudden they're letting him back. Then somebody says the whole possessed by a demon theme seems to be the go-to response from Christian parents. And he says, "Yeah, always my recommendation to people nowadays. " He's turning the other cheek.

Like I disagree with his philosophy on this. I you know I might have agreed with his parents on the demon possession thing, but it doesn't sound like he's like you need to fight. We gota we got to win this fight. We got to take people out.

We got to revolt. No, he sounds like okay well just walk away. They're not going to win. You're not going to win.

You're not going to change their mind. So why why bother? This is not a radicalizing guy. Not based on his public social media profile.

Was he like a hardcore drinker? Maybe. Was that his problem? Well, let's find out because he's on an alcoholism subreddit.

And he says, "I appreciate the resources. I'll definitely read through the alcohol explained book. The blackout piece was solid. I didn't think about choking.

I'm glad I can't fall asleep on my back. It kind of saved me there. I feel I kind of feel like it's too late on the addiction part because I did a ton of weed earlier in my teens and I can tell it messed with my energy and attention levels. And I mean this this is the key line here, guys.

I'll zoom in for this part. And I mean this in no edgy or depressing way, but I don't really see myself making it past about 25 at this rate. So, I'm not too worried about the long-term effects. I think I'mma wait till I until legal age to at least try any alcohol again, though.

So, he had a bad experience with alcohol. Sounds like he blacked out and vomited all over the place. " Am I humanizing him? I'm not trying to.

I'm just letting the post speak for themselves. This is like all we could find. This is every post we could find. And they didn't make think it's political.

The one time he gets political that we could find. One time he really just laid into polit. He's talking on a political compass memes. Yeah, that would make sense.

I guess I don't see that because I'm American and not too much into national, let alone international politics. Oh, you're not into politics, you say? Not much into national or international politics. It's just weird for most of us who don't really care either way.

You don't even care about politics. Yet, we're to believe that the reason Tyler Robinson decided to up and leave the house and go take a life, a human life was over politics, over over hate, over this issue that you don't seem to even care about really. I have no opinions of Italians and then I go on the internet and get immediately stereotyped, which I'm sure happens to you also. It's one of those situations where I could care less for America until I feel accused of something for being an American citizen.

And then my first reaction is defense for my country. " I mean, Chapter 7: This is the Problem with This Case; Nothing is What We are Told again, I don't show any of this to say what a human, what a guy, what a pal, what a chum. Lance is not living a life I would want to live. But I also don't see evidence that he's living a life that we're told.

And this is the constant problem with this case. We're told one thing and then when you dig into it, it doesn't materialize. We're told the parents were going to were going to rat on their son, that they'd confess to them. and that's why they turned him in.

Push comes to shove, we don't get shown that. We're told there's uh insurmountable evidence that Tyler Robinson was on the roof with a gun. We're shown grainy Bigfoot footage that people in the courtroom compared to a blob. We're shown a gun that the detective who is like his whole job is to look at guns.

And he's like, it looks like a pole. I mean, it could be a gun. It's kind of gun-like, straight. It doesn't look like it's not a gun.

Uh, thank you, Detective Baggley. Sharp work there, partner. We're told there's just solid DNA. The is gun DNA is all over the gun.

And the lady gets in there like, it's pretty degraded, actually. Some of the oldest DNA on the gun. Oh, and by the way, the gun had dust all in the barrel. Oh, and by the way, there's four other people's DNA on there, and theirs are not as degraded.

6 minutesHuh? Wait, what? This is totally inconsistent what we were told. Oh, you're going to see HD footage of him all over campus.

We literally have blurred faces. And the only pictures we have that you can even kind of see a face, Cash M Pat Mattel told us they were enhanced. The enhanced photos and the video. Well, the photos that they released that he said were enhanced.

Even in their enhanced state, Lance Twigs gets up there and says, "I can't 100% identify him. He's wearing the same jeans, I guess. I know he owns shoes. He likes hats.

That guy's wearing a hat. I've never seen that hat. But I love He loves hats. He's a big hat guy.

Big into hats. And he has an affinity for sunglasses. My sensitive eyes. I guess that guy had sunglasses.

We're told he returned to the scene shortly before . So, we're shown a Dodge Challenger returning to the scene shortly before . pretty compelling until you hear from the homeowner that it was driven by a bald man with three passengers. Oh, okay.

Nothing we're told is true. Nothing we're told happened. We just continually go through this over and over and over. It's nonsensical at this point.

And there's really no way to square this circle if every single thing we're told about this case falls apart under the slightest bit of scrutiny. If every single emotional pull looks manufactured that young man, I forgive him. As she's reading the confession, the the forgiveness and then she said, "Well, I didn't even know I was going to say that. " No, you gave like a daily Fredo.

Cassia did a great job on this. She read like five lines. It was like five sentences long that she was looking down and reading word for word. That was not spontaneous.

It's all manufactured. It's It all falls apart the second you begin to look at it. I go back to what I've been saying. He was not supposed to live.

He was not supposed to live because if he didn't live, none of this happens. There's no case. There's no trial. We're not sitting here investigating it 10 plus months later.

We're not examining his social media post, Lance Twigs. We're not looking at the timeline of when Charlie Kirk made it to Draper for the funeral home. And what time could Erica possibly have gotten there in order to get back to the the Air Force 2 at the time she allegedly rolled in? How long could she have possibly been in that room?

And you know, you got to load up the casket and you got to unload the casket. And whose suit was he wearing? Why is there lint all over it? Why is it dirty?

Why is he wearing a dirty suit? Whose suit was that? And why hadn't it been to the cleaners? No offense to those of you who wear dirty suits, but I mean, it's it's obvious it's not a brand new suit.

It's not a brand new tie. That tie has not been manufactured in the last 20 years. That's a tie you see on people in pictures in the 90s, maybe the early 2000s. There's nothing wrong with this.

Is probably a nice silk tie. Probably ties a nice knot, but it's not new. It's not something that Charlie He never wore a tie like. And so what the hell's going on?

What the hell's going on? Like you you could get to this point in the case and you could look left and you can look right and say, "Why why does everything fall apart? Why did they pave over the crime scene? Why is the FBI telling people to pave over the crime scene?

" I'm not going to play it because it's long and I don't want to sit here and watch a five-minute clip of another podcast. But the PBD podcast, I went back and watched it five days, five days after Charlie Kirk went down. I think this was like September 15th or 16th. They're all sitting around the whole cast.

And you know that if you watch it, there's three or four people on there. I don't watch it, but I see a lot of clips. Some reason my timeline gets infested with them, and sometimes they're compelling, and I watch them. But there's like three, four guys sitting around and they all had different complaints.

They all they all agreed that's not a 3006. If that's not an exit wound, that's not a 306. And even if it's an exit wound, it's probably not a 306 because we know what a 306 does. Everyone knows what a 306 does.

Even our friend uh from uh one of I can't I can't think of the name of his channel right now. Gary, what's his channel? I can't think of the channel, but the our friend uh oh gosh, I'm blanking. Oh, Paramount, like he made his whole channel for the first month after the thing.

I mean, he was getting hundreds of thousands of views, million, I think got a million plus views on some of his videos, basically telling everybody there's no 11 minutesway this was a 30 out six. We got to figure out what's going on here. And he might have thought body armor. He might have thought deflection like he just he said this is not a direct shot to the neck because that's totally inconsistent.

Well, now he's changed his mind and oh, Martin Luther King. Yeah, because stop it. Stop it. 30 odd sixes don't stop in four inches of neck.

They just don't just don't. And at the beginning, we all universally agreed with this. Everyone universally agreed with. But it wasn't just that they were asking questions about they were asking questions about all, you know, it had to be after the 15th that they had this.

Maybe it was the 15th or the 16th that this podcast interview this podcast was because then they sat around saying why did they cra pave over the crime scene and the guy was getting really angry and he's like you don't pave over the crime scene and he mentioned other highrof high-profile crime scenes and he said these crime scenes were preserved for weeks. You couldn't walk anywhere near them because they didn't know if they were going to go back and need more evidence as the investigation developed. So they just preserved it. They just preserved it.

They put caution tape around it and posted an officer there and said no one walks there. Yes, sir. I got it. And they paid someone to stand there and make sure nobody walked on the crime scene.

And my point when I was going to play it, but I don't want to sit here and play it was late and I don't want to play a five-minute clip of someone else's podcast. My point was going to be, and my point is that we all universally accepted very early on that everything about this case sucked as we knew it. Well, I'm here to tell you folks, it still sucks. Nobody called me and offered me anything.

Maybe other people got a call and they were offered something or threatened. I was not. So, I'm continuing to investigate. I'm continuing to look into it because as I look into it, I say this doesn't make sense.

I mean, why do a photo op in Draper? This would have been a totally different case if he took his own if he if he took his own life. If he died before being before turning himself in, totally different case. Then you can put Erica in there and if she's a total weirdo, no one really notices because we're not investigating a murder.

I mean, it's pretty obvious the murder's open and shut. We might look and go, "Gh, she's kind of weird, but that's it. No one would think she had anything to do with it. May not have anything to do with it, but I mean, people are asking the question because why the hell are you acting so weird?

We wouldn't have Blake Snashing out on X spaces at 2 am. We wouldn't have uh Andrew Kovette crashing out on X like nine times a day attacking people and somebody makes nine points and he'll just write this is false all nine points. Which point is false? Is the name of the person true?

Like if you say this is false to somebody, is my name true? What is what is false? We would get answers. 14 minutesI had a conversation today with someone actually um who you know I was telling them I said I feel like if TPSA paid me a bundle of money I could get them back on track but they'd have to commit to the truth but I would answer every question.

I'd say you know what it's gone on long enough. We're going to put this to bed. What do you want to know? I would start hosting people for two-hour interviews and I would say send me your questions ahead of time so I can dig up the materials you need.

You want to know where I was on September 8th, 9th and 10th? Here's my calendar. This is my story. I stick to it.

Here's where I was. Here's every move I made. What else do you want to know? Oh, where was I on this date?

Here's the flight I took. Here's the manifest. Here's the itinerary. Here's the email where they sent me the confirmation.

What else can I answer for you? We're not getting that. Instead, we're getting obuscation. We're getting confusion.

We're getting anger. We're getting lashing out. They're now hiring people to go around and offer six figure paydays for somebody to show up and debate for two hours. What a silly, preposterous notion.

You know what a sellout you would look like if you took money to go debate someone? You know why they're recommending that? Cuz it worked for them. That's my guess.

That's my guess. I can't say that for sure. I've not seen the checkbooks. But anybody who thinks that Candace or Baron or anybody else can be bought to go debate probably believes that because they know they were bought.

That's just my guess. That's my guess. Throw money at them. They won't be able to resist it.

How do you know? Well, I couldn't resist it. I wasn't able to resist it. Uh well, I can resist it.

I can resist it. because I can't be bought. I can't be bought. I wouldn't I wouldn't take a a flight from these people to go debate and there's nothing to debate.

I had a different conversation today with someone else. " I said, "Well, I'll tell you what. I might do that. " But if they have something interesting and engaging, I highly respect this person.

I think this person's a good faith, honest actor, very well respected, been on TV for 10, 15 years, uh, high-profile cases, I'll be happy to sit down and talk with someone like that. This guy's rational, level-headed, but I want to make sure there's something to talk about. If there's nothing to talk about, I'm not doing it. So, we'll have a phone call and we'll figure it out.

I I I'm more than happy to engage that way. But innocent people don't hire people to go call other people evil. They don't do that. If you're innocent, you don't engage in that behavior.

That's not right. That's not normal. I've never hired anybody to go call my enemies evil. And I bet you I could pay someone.

I'll give you $200 a day to just sit around and tweet all day about these three people. Oh, I know people who do it. Well, why? I've not done anything.

I have no reason to. If these people want to pay to or take a paycheck to sit around, if they want to sell their integrity to sit around all day and write about Candace and Baron and Trigger and Zach and Colin and have fun, that's great. You know how much it bothers me? Not at all.

Don't care. I'm I'm I'm a I'm I'm an old school. All press is good press. The more you talk, the better the more my audience grows.

It's just a fact. It's just a fact. You know how many emails I have sitting in my email inbox right now? Like I would have never heard of you, but I saw this argument on Twitter and I thought, I got to go see what this gu has to say and now I watch every night.

Great. Keep going. I hope you get lots of money to do it because you're helping me tremendously. Someone is paying you to advertise my show.

It's fantastic. I appreciate it. But if the case was what you said it was, if you if it was what you believed it was, you wouldn't care what I say. Just like I don't care what you say because I'm am what I say I am.

independently investigating this, looking into it, opining where I have an opinion, pulling up facts where I can support them, and I pretty much anything I've ever stated as a fact, I've put on the screen. Almost everything I've ever stated as a fact in this case, I have put on the screen. Everything else is opinion. Fair enough.

I have opinions. I can't help it. I used to get bullied for it when I was young. You guys want to investigate me?

Go talk to the people who used to push me into lockers. [laughter] They'll be happy to tell you what a scumbag I was. That's fine. Don't care.

Don't care. I really don't. I really don't. And so I'll wrap it this way.

Because if Lance Twigs is not who we were told he was and if the photo op at the at the uh uh mortuary was a rushed staged job and all of the zone flooding with all these different fake stories and all you people that are sending me tips and I look them down and they look them up and then I realize you're just lying. They're just not true. If you're doing all this, I know I'm on the right path. I know I'm on the right path.

If you sold me a bill of goods for the last 10 months telling me just wait till the court gets the prosecution gets to present some evidence. Just wait. You'll see. You're going to look so stupid.

I don't look stupid at all. That case was a dud and you know it and I know it. That case sucked. You can hire all the social media influencers you want to tell me how strong the evidence was and how this is one of the strongest cases you've ever seen.

Then you don't watch cases you've never been involved in a case. I've been involved in strong cases against my client where the only thing you're hoping for is maybe the prosecution will have a little mercy and work with you to get some kind of a deal. That's it. Like that's your only defense.

Maybe we can get a little mercy. Maybe we can appeal to the judge in sentencing. Maybe we can get a stack of references. I had one guy that was so guilty our stack of references was this high.

There was no way of getting out of it. So, you might as well try to work on mitigation for for sentencing. That's it. That was it.

That was the whole case. You almost didn't even have to cross-examine anybody. You almost didn't even have to put on a defense. Just can we go on and do sentencing now, judge?

We'll preserve a few things for appeal, but my goodness, this is not overwhelming. Not at all overwhelming, and they know it or they would not be on the attack. They would not be flooding the zone. Um, I appreciate you joining.

If you've enjoyed the show, uh, hit the like button. U, it it helps. It really really helps. And I really appreciate it when you guys hit the likes because that does, uh, alter effect distribution.

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Looking Up: TPUSA Planes, Danny Philip, and the Guy on the Roof - Ep 146
Baron Coleman
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We take a look at the movement of TPUSA planes in the days where we knew Charlie was. Where were they going and why?

We also look a little closer at Danny Philip in the first two seconds after the Big Bang.

Speaking of the roof, we took a look at Plan B in a recent episode. We'll look today at a potential Plan C.

Time permitting, we will review Blake Neff's changing story about where he stayed after Charlie Kirk went down.



Transcript Search transcript Search transcript Chapter 1: Intro All right, that was close. You'll notice I didn't pull up any comments during that. Um, there was a lot of prep taking place in the very last seconds and I was even, I think, two minutes late. So, I apologize, ladies and gentlemen.

I do apologize. It won't h Well, it might happen again, but I will not let it happen again tomorrow because I won't be on tomorrow. Um, guys, welcome in Rare Friday live edition. I don't typically go live on Friday evening, but um this week we had to switch a show around and we had to switch it around because the show that we were preparing for yesterday was not ready.

I'm here to report it is mostly ready. And so we will cover the ready portions and we will kick the stuff that's still not ready to Sunday. This is going to be a complex show when we get it all put together. Um there are there are just some things that need to be discussed relative to uh who killed Charlie Kirk, how and why that are being largely I think pushed to the background.

I don't think I want to say ignored but but but pushed to the background and need to be brought back out front. [clears throat] One of the things we're going to discuss tonight is in the open. We're going to 1 minutediscuss maybe how is going to be difficult to answer because we don't know and we would never know and I I hope to provide a little clarity to that in the open. It's something we have to consider.

We're also going to take a look at our friend Danny Phillip. Very interesting in the two seconds after Charlie Kirk is taken down. What is going on with Danny Phillip? I want to talk about his positioning, what he was had with him and and so forth and so on.

We're going to get to that as well. Um we also have [clears throat and cough] the airplanes that were frequently used by Charlie Kirk and his team, TP USA. We tracked them pretty detailed over the course of about two years, every city, every flight, every date. And there was a really interesting period for about two weeks where we know where Charlie was and we know now where the planes he frequently used were and it raises a lot of questions about what was going into the planning of September 10th and potentially his demise.

So, we'll look at that tonight as well. Um yeah. Uh uh uh what's the other Oh. Oh, plan C.

We talked about plan A and plan B the other day with the guy on the roof. We think we might have more evidence of a plan C potentially. Um, somebody an astute listener pointed this out during the comment section and when I went back and looked it kind of made sense to me. Then I found a more elongated version of that video and it makes a lot of sense to me now and I'll explain that.

U we got a couple other little thing. We're going to have a fun show. This is going to be a fun show. It's Friday after Friday.

I miss Ian Carol's old free speech Friday. I was listening to Free Speech Friday last remember September, October, driving down the road, driving to the grocery store, driving to get gas, had the phone inconspicuously propped up on the dash, listening, not watching, just listening. When he started talking about your humble host, I had no notice that was going to happen. And uh this show took a different trajectory after that day.

Trajectory. Trajectory. It's a hard word to say. Makes you sound like you're drunk when you're trying to say it.

They took a different trajectory. Yeah, I did though. It took a different trajectory after he mentioned the program on his free speech Friday. Um, so I'm forever thankful to him and I'm forever sentimental on Friday afternoon shows.

Oh, Shabbat shalom for those of you who celebrate. Uh, all right. Let me let me start rolling through the open here because I think it'll provide a little bone, a little meat, a little context to what I perceive as one of the major problems with trying to figure out who killed Charlie Kirk, how and why. The why is particularly difficult to diagnose.

Uh, as I'll say in my open, I'm very convinced it's not a 36. I'll tell you why. There's been some recent developments on that front in the last 24 or . Um, I'll get to that as well.

But I want to remind you that this case is a binary choice. You have two choices at your disposal. You have a choice that TPUSA, the state of government, state government of Utah, the federal bureau of investigation, the US military, foreign militaries, foreign intelligence agencies, all the way. I mean, just the everybody you can possibly throw in the bag.

They're all involved. That's choice A. That's choice A. Everyone's involved.

And choice B is Tyler Robin Robinson woke up one day, decided he was going to climb the Losi Center staircase, pull out Granddaddy's 306, take a single crack at Charlie Kirk, and then scale down the building like Spider-Man and escape into the woods. That's choice B. There is no third choice. There's no third choice.

the the the idea that TPUSA somehow planned and executed this and and and decided they were going to frame Tyler Robinson and maybe Andrew Kovette and Blake Nef out there war game in it. No, that's not possible. That's not possible. It can't be them alone.

For example, you couldn't have Blake and Andrew order the paving of the crime scene 4 days later. That wouldn't happen. That crime scene paving was being discussed the following day. TP USA doesn't have that kind of pull in the state of Utah, particularly not on a college campus.

So, you have to rule that out. That is ruled out. You also have to rule out that that uh you know, maybe the US government did it on their own and they didn't involve anybody else. No, you can't can't do that either.

Can't do that either because some hanky panky happened in the car on the way there. Too many lies, too many things don't add up. Ben Shapiro now we know is on the horn. That that takes some involvement with the team.

We'll talk I I don't know that we'll talk about tonight, but that we could talk about that at length as well. So, you have to rule that out. Plus, you have then you're going to turn the investigation over to the state of Utah and hope they don't figure it out. No, no, no.

You can't say that the federal government did it on their own. So, it either goes all the way to the top and it's a multi- agency cover up and you have the local sheriff and the local county and or it's just Tyler. Those are your options. Those are your It is a binary choice.

It's a binary choice. If we don't accept Tyler, then we necessarily have to accept it's everybody. And if it's everybody, we have to accept that they may be using technology that we don't understand. You have to accept that as a reality.

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That is your opening statement. I hope you enjoyed it as much as I did. Um, I want to get through, um, gosh, I don't even know what order I want to take this. I think I want to take the Danny Phillip thing first.

Um, Chapter 3: At What Was Danny Philip Looking, and Why Was He Wearing a Backpack? I want to get through the Danny Phillip thing because I am so disturbed by Danny Phillip at the scene. Before I knew who Danny Phillip was, before I'd ever heard the name Danny Phillip, took me, I don't know, weeks to figure out who he was. You know, much of the first few weeks was just trying to identify these people.

We talk about Mikey McCoy now, like everybody knows who Mikey McCoy is. Well, if you saw Mikey McCoy running down the street, of course you'd know who Mikey McCoy was. It was not instant that we knew who Mikey McCoy was. That's a name many of us had never heard.

But at the time, oh, but now we know who he is. Now we But at the time, we had no idea. Uh, same with Danny Phillip. Most people still don't know who Danny Phillip is.

Um, I'm gonna let Candace do a little intro because I cannot build on what she did. She did an excellent job the other day. I think this was probably Tuesday or Wednesday. Uh, opening up Danny Phillip, who he was, how he's connected to the case.

I'm going to let her go for a minute or so. It's Friday. We'll be a little more liberal. Um, I'll let her go for a minute or so.

uh just explaining who Danny Phillip is and then I'm going to take you to the scene of the crime and we're going to look at what did Danny Phillips do Danny Phillip one Philip not two uh in the immediate aftermath. A piece of what's wrong and what my mind immediately went to is uh Danny Phillip because who is Danny Phillip? That's an important question actually. Uh Danny Phillip is is very young.

He just graduated college in May of 2025. gets hired right out of college um to work for Charlie. Danny Phillip, you might recall many moons ago when we discussed Mikey McCoy's call logs before Charlie got shot at . Mikey McCoy was on the phone with Danny Phillip.

I thought they were just both at the event. Maybe. I don't know what that phone call is about. And then after 22 minutesCharlie gets shot, he's on the phone for with Danny Phillip.

I thought it initially was Danny McQueen. No, it's Danny Phillip. This young kid fresh out of college. Um, and I got to thinking, you know, again, why were there so many these See, I said researcher and longtime friend.

Longtime friend of who? Longtime friend. Charlie was 31 years old. Danny had graduated college like a few months before.

I think he graduated college maybe in May of 25 if I'm not mistaken. How long of a friend has he been? Something's not right here. Something's very, very weird here.

So, I wanted to go back after her excellent episode and say, what do we know about Danny Phillip? Let's go. Well, let's just go back to the scene of the crime. Let's set it up.

We remember at the scene of the crime, Mikey McCoy. You remember Mikey McCoy had on a backpack. I'm not going to bring it up and show you. I'm not going to insult your intelligence.

It's a high IQ outfit. If you don't remember the backpack, keep up. Look up. Look up in Look up a picture.

I can't help you. I don't even know if he shows up in this video. But I want to go back to the scene of the crime. Now, we have taken great care for two reasons.

One is YouTube does not like when you show the scene of the crime. Uh but two is we're not morbid people. Not to be morbid, but he doesn't make it out of the shot alive. Uh so we have blacked him out and the blackout will move because well, frankly, he moves.

Um but there should be no visible portion of him during the shot because the focus isn't on Charlie Kirk here. The focus is on Danny Phillip, particularly the last two seconds of the video. Uh, but I want to remind you that Mikey McCoy was standing on Charlie's back left in a long sleeve shirt. It was 91 degrees outside.

He had on a long sleeve shirt and a backpack. The reason I raised the issue of D of Mikey McCoy wearing a backpack is because Danny Phillip also wearing a backpack. Why? Why?

He's standing like 10 feet from the SUV he came in. Maybe 10 feet. Maybe closer. I don't know.

Like he came in in the farthest back SUV. The The event is going to last at least two hours. Then you got cleanup and you Why are you wearing your backpack? Put your backpack in the car.

Why did you get your backpack out of the car? Frank Turk didn't get his pack out back out of the car. Frank Turk, if you remember, famously, he he said his bag was full of blood. His bag had the necklace in it.

25 minutesHis bag was in between the bucket. See, his bag was in the car. Why would it not be in the car? Your car is behind a police line.

It's safe. It's secure. What do you have in the backpack that you have to have access to, and you can't walk 10 feet away to get it? I'll also note that Danny Phillip is to Charlie's right.

Mikey McCoy to Charlie's left. Danny Phillips Phillip one Phillip to Charlie's right back. Right. , uh Blake Nef.

He's with the homies. He's down. Danny Phillip is standing with Butch Hibbs. Butch Hibbs.

I don't know how old Butch Hibbs is. He looks to be like a hundred, maybe older. Butch Hibs also weirdly dressed head to toe, long sleeve flannel shirt. I mean, he looks like he's going camping in Montana in late October.

That's, you know, he wasn't, I don't think. But I always wondered, why is he wearing a backpack? Why was Mikey McCoy wearing a backpack? Why were they separated?

Now, you'll recall, I don't know if she just said it or not, but it was in that clip. I should have let her keep going if she didn't say it yet, but I think I've already taken it down. I have. If you listen to her show, she will go over the call log that Erica Kirk provided for Mikey McCoy.

Remember, the call log was something of an issue early on in the case in the fall. In the call log, Mikey McCoy and Danny Phillips, Phillip, one Phillip talk on the phone at . So, they talk on the phone at . Charlie arrives at 12:06 and they go stand on opposite sides of them, both in backpacks and then Charlie gets taken down and they both flee the scene presumably.

I know Mikey does. is not 100% sure where Danny went, but they both separate. And then later, Danny calls Mikey back. Why?

Why? What? What? What's up with all the calls?

Why are you calling before? Why are you calling after? Why are you wearing backpacks? Why are you standing opposite sides?

You You're a longtime friend of these people, but you don't you just choose to stand off by your side with Butch Hibs. It's a weird scenario, but I want to take you to the scene of the crime now because I want to watch with you. What precisely does Danny Phillips do at the big moment? So, keep in mind this is edited, so if you've not seen it, you're going to see nothing here.

There's no reason to avert your eyes, but uh and I think we even muted the the crack of the gun, but I'm not 100% sure about that. So, um this is showing a 45se secondond clip. It's not really . I'll explain why in just a second.

o, do you know how many transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last 10 years? Too many. Let me make sure the box comes up. Yeah, it does.

Okay. Uh, so I keep playing. I just got nervous when I didn't see a box yet. Okay.

Now, I'm going to give you I'm going to give you some credit. This is Danny Phillips. See under the where it says prove me wrong. Prove me wrong.

And there's a light a lightning bolt separating the two. Prove me wrong. Prove me wrong. Under the ve of the second prove, not the prove behind the speaker, but the prove over here on the right hand side of the tent facing us says prove.

You go to the VE and you look down. That handsome fell there in a backpack, that is Danny Phillips. The father time next to him, that's Butch. The guy giving the baseball signals here, that's Dan Flood.

Do you know how many? Well, the second guy giving the baseball signals, Frank Turk, just just gave the first one or or I I you maybe not Frank. Maybe you were just adjusting your hat for the first time all day. So, now we're slowing it down.

And the reason I want to slow it down is I'm looking here. Notice Danny Phillip turns and looks behind the tent. I wish I could zoom in. Can I zoom in?

Oh, yeah. A little bit. Uh, I can zoom in a little bit. So, notice Danny has now turned and he's looking behind the tent.

We come back. He's not looking behind the tent. Do you know how many there have been? Frank gives the signal or no, I'm sorry, sorry, sorry, Frank.

Frank, Frank, Frank, Frank, Frank, I apologize. Frank decides he needs to adjust his ball cap and scratch his cheek. And Danny Phillip turns to look behind the tent. Want to kill the sound.

I still get squeamish at this stuff, guys. This is not easy to watch. So now you have Dan Fud stepping forward into the sun doing something completely inexplicable. All his weight is on his right foot.

You know, when you're coaching baseball, you talk about weight being on the middle of your foot, weight being on the back of your foot, weight being in the front of your foot, weight being on your right foot, weight being on your left foot. Right? When you approach a ground ball, your weight shifts and rolls forward. I have no idea why he decided to go from this is not about Dan Flood, but I'm gonna say it now that I'm looking at it.

So, his his weight is over midfoot on both feet, right? But then when he steps forward, his weight goes all to his right foot. You can see his back foot is bent and not weightbearing at this moment. His weight is all the way over the middle, maybe even the front of his right foot like he's leaning.

But that's not what I wanted to talk about. I want to talk about Dana Phillips. So Danny Phillip had looked behind the tent. Now he looks at back at Charlie Kirk.

There's the box which indicates a bang is happening. There's the flinch. You see Danny Finch? Go back.

Watch Danny flinch here. Danny Phillip is again under the VE in the second prove right here to the right of the lightning bolt. He's in the backpack. He gives a little flinch.

Watch his eyes. Everyone in the crowd goes a gasast. Everyone in the crowd reacts. Not Danny.

Not Danny. Danny looks right at the Losi center roof. You see that? Danny just looks right up at the Losi center roof.

Cool as a cucumber. This girl in front of the black box is falling backwards. You have people grabbing their head in the cobra pose. You have mouths open.

You have people down here turning. Danny Phillip just cool as a cucumber looks up at the Losi Center. Now, what do we know about the Losi Center in that moment? We can be fairly confident that someone was on the Losi Center.

There's nobody in the house that has a better view than Danny Phillip. He is perfectly in line with the Losi Center. Almost too perfectly in line with the Losi Center. and he just coolly and calmly looked up.

If you wanted to call a witness that said, "Oh, I saw the Losi Center. " There's only one person I would call. The only person I saw in the whole facility looked directly at the Losi Center. Danny Phillip.

, The guy who shielded his eyes just before the bang and then before he takes off looks up at the Losi center and then takes off. But are you saying definitively Danny Phillip planned this? No. No.

Don't hear me wrong. I'm not suggesting that at all. But I'm suggesting Danny Phillip was cool as a cucumber in that moment. Cooler than the other side of the pillow.

He did not have any trouble whatsoever with what was happening right there. I'm going to look at one more thing here. One more thing I might want to show. Yeah, I think I do.

It's kind of blurry. Nah, I'm not gonna um I think if you're if you're trying to get a grasp of the facts, the on the ground facts that day, I can't think of a better witness in the moment in the immediate vicinity than Danny Phillip. He either heard something from the Losi center roof, in which case he would be great evidence for this fed slop narrative that Tyler Robinson shot Charlie Kirk from the Losi center roof of the 36, or somebody did. Or he saw a guy up there get up and run away.

But I want to know what made you look up there. Why were you so cool and calm? I mean, if I'm sitting here and and then I look, I'm just going to casually look up at the Losi Center and I don't know. I don't know.

I would also ask, why were you both wearing backpacks? This is particularly relevant in light of, and I'm not going to play it because the show will get out of control if I start playing all this stuff. You just got to we just got to assume some knowledge here. The testimony the other day was at the preliminary hearing that a backpack was found at the library bus stop.

That backpack had gloves, a jacket, you know, sniper gear. If we're being honest, it's it's 91 degrees when Charlie Kirk got taken down. Who needs a jacket and gloves in that in that kind of weather? It's September in Utah.

We're not talking about like Winnipeg or Edmonton. We're talking about Utah. It was hot. It was sunny.

Not gloves and jacket weather. And then we were told that the FBI collected it because it looked like evidence. They sent it for DNA testing because it looked like evidence and then called off the DNA search of it because they determined it belonged to one of Charlie Kirk's security team. Dude, the the library is nowhere close to Charlie Kirk security team.

It's on the other side of campus. If one of Charlie Kirk's security team was at the library, when? Why? It was at the bus stop.

Did they They hailed a 36 minutescab. They waved down the blue and uh the green and white wagon that was riding around campus that day picking people up. I don't buy it. I don't buy it.

I don't buy it at all. There's some reason they didn't want to DNA test it. And I hope they still have it in evidence and I hope they can DNA test it. I'm very curious who it was.

It was it one of Charlie Kirk's security teams? Was it one of these two backpacks that we see? Whatever happened to those backpacks? But I don't want to spend too much time asking about the backpack.

Uh, do I want to do that one yet? Yeah, I think I do. Chapter 4: Possible Plans B and C in Crystal Clear 4K HD from CS Building Camera All right. We were told in mass on mass.

We were told that the preliminary hearing featured 4K HD footage. Now, those people have all been shamed, but there are people who still believe it. Jack Pobic walks out 4K crystal clear HD plain as day. 37 minutesUh uh Benny Johnson, when he's not being Benny Johnson, appropriate last name for Benny Johnson, but when he's not out there carousing, he apparently attends preliminary hearing and sees crystal clear 4D HD quality uh image.

on 4K HD quality. A plane is day. Case closed. Someone on Twitter, I should give them credit.

Who who dug this up? Faith Driver. Faith Driver on Twitter uh found this video of the deputy director at the time of the FBI talking about that very video. How crystal clear was this video?

We've got Bginina. [laughter] Dan Bonginina has viewed that very video and he had strong opinions on how crystal clear that video was. This is the same video Brandon Tatum, Benny Johnson, Jack Bobic, and all the fed 38 minutessloppers walked out of court and lied to your face telling you how crystal clear it was. The video is obviously grainy.

No, obviously grainy. What? Uh, hold on. I didn't mean interrupt him.

Let me let me maybe I got it out of context. I could have taken it out of context. It is Dan Bonjina. He likes to talk.

Maybe he was going to say it's grainy, but it's still kind of 4K. It's kind of HD, you know. You can see exactly what's going on. There's no question.

Open and shut case, you know. So, I apologize, Mr. Bonjanna. I did not mean to interrupt you.

Go ahead, sir. The video is obviously grainy and and as folks in the video space know out there, we can we have a number of really excellent tools in our lab which is they're doing amazing work and they've been up and and handling this for days now. But the video is very grainy and I want to be very clear and I don't want to oh there was you know I've already seen some online chart. Yeah, I can see it on the screen.

You'll see it's a grainy video now. Um, I have been I've 39 minutesbeen on that roof in that corner and when you see the camera in the distance away, it's clearly not the best video. Now, let me just go back to what I said before and I'll get into the gun. Don't let me forget the gun portion of it because I just want to watch this for a second.

You'll see here. Yeah, there's there's a couple different what we call it. All right, there you go. So, we see there's some down listening audience.

He's getting down off the roof. He hangs for a couple seconds. He drops to the floor to the grass and then he runs. Go ahead, Dan.

Sorry, I forget. grainy video and he's not backing off of it. I kind of half expected when I started watching say the video is very grainy, but we know exactly what was happening because we actually have a crystalclear HD 4K quality video that you haven't yet seen. But he doesn't.

Instead, he doubles down, triples down on the story. Well, it is very grainy. Uh, in fact, it's so grainy, you can hardly tell what's going on. We don't even know.

Does he have the gun in his hand? Did he drop the Well, I think I'm getting ahead of myself here. Sometimes there's an audio only. I should be better.

This is a former media person. I forget there's an audio component only. We're We're watching. The camera is quite far away.

It's not the best camera to see exactly what happened to the gun. Oh man, he's just burying these guys. That camera's very far away. It's not the best camera to see what's going on.

Oh, don't tell Benny. Don't let Jack and Brandon hear that. Officer Tater Todd's going to be so sad to know that it's grainy video. You're letting the cat out of the bag, sir.

However, some we have some working theories, and one of them is that he he drops the firearm fully assembled uh onto the ground and uh and then retrieves it. " Great. We appreciate that. Uh uh.

Thank you, Deputy Director Bonina for clarifying how crystal clear HD 4K. Oh, that's not what he said. How grainy the video is. So grainy you can barely tell what's going on.

I can't even tell if he has a gun or he dropped the gun and he hold the gun. What? Where' the gun go? We can't tell.

Video's very far away. Obviously not a good video. Obviously not a good video. Well, you didn't have to tell us that.

We we're we're very well uh we're very aware. Uh, I I I will go back because he does actually even crap on the camera even more and I don't want to interrupt him while he's in his prime. No, I just we have to be careful what we put out. And the video is not the best quality.

It's it's not that and for no other reason than it's, you know, the video was that camera where it is is not a crime scene camera. It's a camera designed for just [clears throat] general surveillance on campus. And when you're there, you'll see it's it's it's a distance away. But I uh Well, okay, Mr.

Pobic, the the camera's all yours. Where was this high quality HD 4K open and shut camera quality coming from? Or was he li is Dan Bonina a conspiracy theorist? Is Is he in the candy cult?

Is Gary Meltdown gonna start bashing him? I can't believe you would talk like this, Mr. Bonjina. How on earth, Mr.

Bonina, are we supposed to convince people, Mr. Bonina, that this is some kind of 4K HD quality, Mr. Bonjina, if you're out there telling people 5 days after the video was taken that it sucked. It did suck, by the way.

It did suck. We knew it sucked. Nevertheless, even though it sucked, we were able to come up with a potential plan C that was in effect. You guys remember?

Well, I Well, let me I got these out. I got these out. Let me let me let me do this one. 43 minutesWe have a very interesting piece of video that one of our very astute viewers noticed just the other day.

It's not this particular clip, but I've actually gone back in time. So, this is the grainy low D non4K nonHD camera. Very far away, not not crime scene quality. What else did he say?

How else did he crap on this? General surveillance camera that's on the UVU campus. And they showed this footage, believe it or not, to show you that it was in fact Tyler Robinson climbing onto the roof. So somewhere in the distance and all that grain, all that garbage back there is is allegedly a pixel or two that is supposedly Tyler Robinson and it's supposedly he's climbing over the rail.

I don't know how they detect. That's not what I want to draw your attention to, but that's why we have this video footage. It's 12:15 and . This is or so before the Big Bang.

And I was looking at the parking lot and I was thinking about the comment that the commenter had made the other day and I noticed this little side by side, this little golf cart looking thing right here. I don't know if you can see it, but it's on the top left of the parking lot. Uh, oriented up and down the way this this is right here. So, uh, if you come all the way to the left, you see a building.

Across the top, you see a walkway. between the camera and the walkway is a little vehicle that's on a sidewalk. It's a vehicle on a sidewalk. I know it's low quality, but you just got to trust me.

That's what it is. It's a vehicle on a sidewalk. We'll get an idea of what it is in just a moment, but I'm going to let it roll for a second. I'm going to actually turn him off talking.

I'm going to let it roll. It's rolling at . The vehicle's just sitting there apparently off in the distance or a few pixels that are moving. And those pixels allegedly 45 minutesperhaps might be Tyler Robinson.

They could be Bigfoot. They could be a space alien. We're not exactly sure what they are. But what I want you to focus on is this little side by side is just sitting here.

It's not doing anything. Tyler Robinson is now somewhere or one of the Tylers is now somewhere up here on this roof. It's now almost . It's 12:15 and .

If I don't know how high quality you guys can see this, but it's just sort of roll and then it jumps forward a minute. It goes from 1216 to 1217. The Tyler is somewhere up there on the roof. The Tyler, I'm not sure which Tyler a Tyler is somewhere up there on the roof.

Uh, this side by side is still just sitting there. Now, we jump forward again another five minutes to 1222 and . By this time, the there's a couple of pixels up here. I don't know if you can see my mouse.

It's on kind of the top left hand side of the screen. There are like three pixels that are darker than the rest of the roof. And we're told that's one of the Tylers running across the roof to get into position. And I guess it's paused because it just still says .

Okay, now it's rolling. And 12. So this one of the Tylers here is running up there. We see no side by side in the screen.

It's still down here to the left parked. We see no white SUV. It hasn't yet rolled into the parking lot, but it's it's coming. I promise it's coming.

Um, apparently this this uh one of the Tylers is now getting into position or or moving closer to the roof. You really honestly cannot tell uh because again, thanks to Mr. Bina, we know this is lowquality surveillance quality footage, not HD, not 4K, not crystal clear, not definitive. It is just trash.

But it is what the what we have to work with. It's what we have to work with. Um so I'm letting it roll. It's now .

47 minutesThe big bang is around s or so, maybe s from happening. Now what we're going to be looking for is a white SUV that's entering the parking lot from the top right uh from the right of the frame up here. The top right of the frame. Here it comes.

Now white SUV coming into screen and it's turning into the parking lot. As it turns into the parking lot, it is 1223 and . We are really seconds away from all the action up on the stage. And this white SUV is turning in.

We see the white SUV turn in. It comes all the way down. I've already played this part, but I want you to look at something else. And it comes to a complete stop right there.

Boom. It comes to a complete stop at 12:23 and 32 or seconds or so. And this is we are to believe this is basically when the bang happens. So we have a white SUV parked.

It's dead stopped. There's no reason it's dead stop. There's no foot traffic. There's no other traffic.

There's it's just stopped. I speculated the other day this was plan B because it stays parked in this position. I'll let it roll again. It stays parked in this position from the moment of the big bang while the pixels move from the left of the roof to the right of the roof.

They're now coming over here. They've just entered this white triangle on the corner of the roof. The SUV is still stopped. The pixels are now scaling down the roof.

And now we have a problem because we have an SUV coming up. The a red SUV that just turned in is coming down the right hand side right here. And it's my contention that this white SUV could be a plan B. This one that's stopped down here on the left hand side.

This is a plan B. What happens if the guy on the roof falls down and breaks his ankle? What if he tears up a knee? You can't just leave your your guy out there.

If you're trying to frame a pathy or whatever, you can't just leave your guy out there lying in the grass helpless. 49 minutesYou got to have a way to get him out of there. So, you would have to have a plan B. You'd need somebody in a white SUV perhaps to roll up on the scene, grab him, throw him in, and leave.

And now you've got to come up with two paths because one psy isn't going to be enough. You have a vehicle involved. But let's say cuz now the vehicle is moving because the guy is jumping off the roof. Let's say one of these cars backing out and your guy twists a knee, twist an ankle, hyperextends a knee, snaps a leg, breaks a hip, whatever, and you got a car here backing out.

Well, your plan B would fail if for no other reason than your car is trapped. Your white SUV is trapped. Enter the side by side who's been sitting there for eight minutes doing nothing. See it down here on the bottom?

It starts to roll up at the exact same moment. I think that's plan C. I think this white SUV that is waiting to see if this guy's okay before he nails the gas and pulls out of the parking lot. I think this side by side 50 minutescould be a plan C in the event this white SUV gets trapped back here because he can drive up into the grass and throw him into the back of this thing and and run off.

Watch this. Cuz as soon as the guy gets up and moves and the guy realizes he's fine, the white SUV nails the gas. He's getting the heck out of dodge. The side by side is doing the same thing.

He's getting the heck out of dodge. All right, guys. We don't need plan B. We don't need plan C.

Plan A is up and moving. Exfiltrate. Exfiltrate, exfiltrate, go, go, go. And they get on out of dodge.

I I am very thankful for a very astute listener. And I don't even know that this red SUV wasn't necessarily involved cuz what the hell did he do? He just did a loop in the parking lot and is leaving. That might have been a plan D.

I honestly don't know. But I look at this and I think to me this is evidence that 100% who's on the roof is not working alone. It's nearly impossible for me to believe whoever was on the roof was working alone. You don't work alone and have an SUV stop until from the moment of the Big Bang until somebody drives off and and or until he's up running and then you drive off.

That doesn't make sense to me. Hang on a second. Um, Daisy, I just sent you a private chat. Let me show you.

Okay. Um, now I'm going to switch gears again. We Chapter 5: Alleged Victor Marx Campaign Truck Has Turning Point USA Plastered Across Tailgate got plan B, plan C, potentially even a plan D. Let me switch gears ever so slightly.

I want to talk about I I just want to show this. This is going to be a one minute segment. I want to show something very weird that Daisy noticed while she was looking at Victor Mark's campaign pictures. A 501c3 is supposed to be neutral on campaigns.

You're not supposed to advertise on campaigns. You're not supposed to endorse candidates on campaigns. If you're going to do that, you just need to pay taxes like the rest of us. This is the back of Victor Marx's campaign truck he's driving around.

You notice it says Turning Point USA right there in bold letters right above the license plate. I think if I'm uh, you know, in Colorado, I'm probably going to file something and say this is probably unacceptable to me. Is is Turning Point USA endorsing Victor Marks? Not Turning Point Action.

That's a 501c4. They have limitations on what they can do politically, but they are allowed to engage in political activity. But this is Turning Point USA. I think that I'm just raising it in case you're in Colorado and want to file something.

I guess it's an FC vi Well, it wouldn't be an FC violation. It's a state race. I'm sure it's some kind of Colorado violation, too, but it's definitely a 501c3 violation. I think somebody has to explain exactly what the hell's going on right there.

Now, I think the best way to do this is just to talk through it. Chapter 6: Charlie Kirk's Maine Vacation and Where Planes Frequently Used by TPUSA Went While He Was There I think the best way to do this is really just to talk through it because I don't want to show too much identifying information in all of this. TPUSA primarily charters jets through a company called Paradise Jets. If you ever go back through the history of these Paradise Jet chartered planes and you map them with where TPUSA is doing events or where Charlie Kirk is appearing or where even they're vacationing, whatever, you can see these planes flying and coming and going.

I mean, it's pretty obvious which planes they're on. I want to focus on two of them today. We're going to call the planes uh Mike and Sierra. That's all I'm going to call them.

like in Sierra. Each of those names correspond to a tail number. That tail number corresponds to a particular jet. And that jet is one of the jets going coming and going.

But I want to talk through some of the movements here because we found something very strange. One of these planes, and we looked a long way back, had never gone to Salt Lake City. Never gone to Salt Lake City that we could find in years. We went back several years, never gone to Salt Lake City and we were aware that Charlie went on a family vacation for two weeks, kicked his feet up, did a little hiking.

Uh there were some pictures, this was in July of 2025, the July before he passed away. There were a lot of opportunistic pictures taken and posted on social media in the wake of his death from that vacation. him and Erica walking down the street holding hands. Well, her trying to hold his hand, him trying to pull it away.

But that's that's a matter of subjective interpretation, but you you you know, the kids wandering around, they're in nature. The beautiful picture. Honestly, beautiful picture. But we went and looked at his schedule and I didn't see a vacation.

So, when did he take this vacation? because he did uh radio. He did his normal radio show nearly every day. He went on Fox and Friends on Shabbat, by the way.

So much for Shabbat Shalom, Daddy's Home. It was Saturday morning. He did Fox and Friends. But that I'm not going to hold it against him.

Man's free to Shabbat when he wants to. He's free to Fox and Friend when he wants to. That's his business, not mine. But he does his he supposedly goes on vacation on July 20th, 19th or 20th.

He flies to Maine to vacation with his beloved. And um while he's there, he basically does his show every day. The first day he's there, July 21st, the Blake and Andrew show goes and they do the Charlie Kirk show in his absence. We believe here at our show that that's the day that Charlie Kirk filmed or recorded rather his interview with Tucker Carlson.

That interview actually aired that night, but I cannot find another day he could have possibly done it. So, props to the Tucker Carlson team for filming an interview and getting it out that night. That is hustling. That is real work.

Most people don't do that. They take days to put interviews out, at least overnight. Not the Tucker Carlson show. You record in the morning or mid-afternoon and it's up that night.

57 minutesThat's pretty pretty snazzy. So July 19 or 20, he arrives in Maine. He does his radio show in a hotel. It's the same hotel he'll do his radio show in for the next week or so.

You can see him on camera. So we believe he's already in Maine when he does the July 20th radio show. He had to either arrive that morning or the night before. He records Tucker Carlson probably the next morning or afternoon.

He doesn't do the radio show that day, probably because he's recording the Tucker Carlson show. Tucker Carlson show airs that night. July 22, the next day, he's back in the saddle. He's doing his radio show in the hotel.

And on July 23, doing the radio show in the hotel and then he goes on Fox and Friends on uh does it on July 24, does it on July 25. He does the RA. He does the radio show from his hotel this whole week except for the one day that Blandrew um hosted the show while he's presumably recording the Charlie Kirk show. Then on Saturday he does Fox and Friends and on Sunday he does Fox and Friends.

So for the first week of his vacation he worked all seven days. He did a radio show. He did Tucker Carlson. Radio Fox and Friends Fox and Friends.

Oh, the first seven days he does a media hit every single day. And when I say Fox and Friends, I don't mean like did Fox and Friends from the hotel. I'm talking about Flute to New York, appeared on camera in the studio. It's pretty It's pretty wild when you think about it because we're told this was the family vac when did they vacation?

When when was the family vacation? In the nights while the kids were asleep? I I don't know. I mean, you got to prep for a radio show at some point.

You don't just turn the camera on and start blabbing. You got to talk about the news. You got to talk about what's going on. I know what goes into the production of this show every day.

I could never 59 minutesjust turn on a camera and start talking while he's in Maine. So, it's obvious he didn't go to Maine to vacation. So, why did he go to Maine? Who recommended he go to Maine?

We're I think we're told maybe the McCoys had something to do with him going to Maine. You need to get out. You need to vacation. you need to kick your feet up and relax.

Well, he didn't. He went to Maine and worked the whole time. Even flew to New York on the week on the weekends and did Fox and Friends. So, why would he need to be out of Scottsdale?

Who stayed behind? Well, I guess the rest of the team stayed behind. Which raises the question because on July 24th while he's in a hotel in Maine, one of the planes that TPUSA frequently uses, I don't want to say exclusively, but very frequently uses for the first time ever fall flies to Salt Lake City. Now, when you fly to the Salt Lake City airport, there's basically two sides of it.

The left side of it, if you're looking at a a map oriented to the north, the left side of it is like where the plebs fly. This is like if you fly United, American, Delta, you fly on that side. That's the great unwashed masses. The right side of it is for rich people on private jets and the Utah Air National Guard.

What was interesting is when we drilled down even closer though on this plane, this TPUSA plane that we would call uh what are we calling it? Sierra, when you drill down on it, that plane doesn't go to the FBO. It doesn't go to the private plane corridor. It goes to the Air National Guard corridor.

It goes up to the north side of the runway and it it parks up there. That's the Air National Guard. It stays overnight and it flies back the next day. No, no, I'm sorry.

It flies back that same day. Excuse me, I had that wrong. It flies back to Scottsdale. So, it it on on the July 24th, the plane goes from Scottsdale to Vegas to Salt Lake City.

Don't know what they picked up in Vegas. I don't know if I don't know what was going on in Vegas, but it goes Vegas to Salt Lake City. That same day, it goes Salt Lake City to Scottsdale. the next day, not content to have been to Salt Lake City once, it actually goes back Scottsdale to Salt Lake City, parks in the same spot.

Doesn't go to the public FBo. Doesn't go where the other rich people that go to Scottsdale go. It doesn't go to the John Stockton exit. It goes up to the Air National Guard.

It's very strange. That's the July 25th. Tucker Carlson, I mean, not Tuck Carlson, Charlie Kirk's still in Maine, supposedly vacationing, but really working the whole week. It spends the night on July 25th.

The next morning it goes from Salt Lake City back to Scottsdale. Was kind of a weird little trip. Um went to Salt Lake City twice. Had never been to Salt Lake City before.

I raised this in the context of the Provo event, the or the ORM Utah event. On July 18th, we're told based on the public records requests that have been produced, we're told on July 18th was when the request came in for Charlie Kirk to speak at Oram, Utah. So, could it be that this was his security team going to check it out? Well, we don't think so because when Brian Harpole was on the Shawn Ryan show, he didn't say they were doing anything on July 24th.

Brian Harple asked him quite directly, when did you start planning for the security for this event? and he pinpointed the date around August 24th or 25th. That's a month later. So, who was on this plane?

Who's flying from Vegas to Salt Lake City? Salt Lake City to Scottsdale. Who's flying from Scot Scottsdale to Salt Lake City and then again back the next day from Salt Lake City to Scottsdale? And why is this taking place while Charlie's out of the state where he can't tell what his team is doing and where they are?

The plane actually goes back to Salt Lake City again. On August 2nd, while Charlie Kirk is still in uh in Maine, while he's still in Maine, this plane goes back to Salt Lake City again for a third time. Maybe a fourth time. How many times would be one, two, three?

Okay, it's for a fourth time. Third time. For a third time. I can't count.

I can't count. It goes back on August 2nd to Salt Lake City again. parking by the Air National Guard, not down by the FBO. And when it comes back, it does not go to Scottsdale.

It doesn't go to Scottsdale. And I don't know if where it goes on its way back is an indication of who might have been on the plane because Charlie's team doesn't all live in Scottsdale. They live around the Phoenix metro area. But when it comes back, it goes to Mesa, Arizona.

You'd have to look at Charlie's team to see who lives in Mesa. I don't know everyone on the team and everyone on the team Mesa. Now, is it possible some third party is chartering this plane and this plane frequently or maybe nearly exclusively used by TPUSA to go to all their traveling events? And and one thing we've learned, Daisy mentioned this today.

One thing we've learned is when you're tracking Charlie Kirk's planes, when you're tracking these TPUSA, frequently used u Paradise Jets planes, it's almost as if they're his only customer. I mean, I'm sure he may have others, but it's almost as if he's the only customer because Charlie Kirk traveled almost every day. When he tells you he worked 300 plus days a year, believe him. Believe him.

These planes are nearly every day flying with TPUSA. You look at where the event is, you pull up the plane, that's where the plane went. So, it's possible someone else was using this plane. But I think it's probably more likely that this was a TPUSA person.

And this TPUSA person, when they came back, if it is a TPUSA person, when they came back on August 2nd, they did not go to Scottsdale. They went to Mesa, Arizona. And I think there might be something to that. Now, Charlie is not done traveling.

He gets back on August 2nd. He speaks on August 2nd in Old Orchard Beach in Maine. I guess they scheduled a speaking trip before he flew back. And then he flies back.

when he flies back, he's only back in town a day or so because he has to go to the Hamptons. And while he's in the Hamptons getting lectured by Bill Aman and uh who else was there? Seth Dylan. While he's in the Hamptons being lectured, he's also working.

He's doing his show. You can see because he's on the radio, but he's in a different hotel. No longer is he in the same hotel he was in for the last two weeks doing the radio show for Maine. Now he's in a hotel in a different hotel.

And we know where he was because we know the the great I think it's called the Save the West event, whatever the hell that means. What a pretentious name of an event that is. But while he's at this Save of Save the West event in the Hamptons, he's doing his radio show and he's in a different hotel. He's doing that August 4th and 5th.

That's when the uh retreat was happening. August 4th and 5th. August 6th, he's back in the home studio in Scottsdale. So, we know at some point he flew back from the Hamptons.

But would you believe while he was in the Hamptons, this same plane that had gone to Salt Lake City three times flies to Aspen of all places. Now, there are a lot of rich people in Aspen. Someone could have possibly chartered this plane and flown to Aspen. This would not be the first private plane chartered to fly into Aspen.

But I raise it because 10 days later, Charlie Kirk would be in Aspen. on August, I think 15th or so. And while he's in Aspen is when he would be asked supposedly the fatal question, you look like a young strapping healthy 31-year-old, but what if someone kills you? Well, I didn't quite word it that way.

What if something happens to you? What's going to happen to you? I mean, he's not going to have a heart attack. He's healthy.

He's 31. He's not fat. So, what what's going to happen to him? Well, what's going to happen to him is would be a sudden unexpected end like he would face less than a month later on September 10th in Oram, Utah.

While he's there or before he goes there to ask that question, one of his planes flew there. I'll be interested to know who was at the Aspen event that wasn't at the Save the West event. Was the owner or the the person putting that Aspen event together or whoever was based in Aspen that was hosting that event, was that person at the Save the West event? If not, who was on the plane going there?

So, I look at all this. There's actually another plane. The plane Charlie flew on most, we're going to call it Mike. That same day that the other plane is going to Aspen, his other plane goes to Colorado Springs.

He wasn't on that plane, I don't believe. And he was doing his radio show from his home studio. So, who was on that plane? I find it very difficult to believe both of those planes were gone with other people.

So, who was on the plane to Colorado Springs? In other words, where was Charlie's staff? Because when we ask the question who killed Charlie Kirk, how and why, the how becomes very important to this story or the who rather the who becomes very important because while I am convinced TPUSA could not, again, there's two options. It's Tyler Robinson or it's everybody else.

And while I'm convinced TPUSA could not have done this alone, I am wholly unconvinced if the answer is everyone else that it could have been pulled off without TPUSA's help. And if they're going to help, they're going to have to know what the hell's going on. And if they're going to have to know what's going on, they're going to have to meet with people. And these aren't the kind of things you email.

These aren't the kind of details you email. Oh, hey, by the way, just don't hit reply all. Okay? No, that's not what happens.

This isn't something you send on Proton Mail or Signal. These are conversations you have face to face. If if if if we're right in the first place, it's a big if. Leaving the very small possibility was Tyler Robinson alone.

Again, I'm very quickly closing that possibility to zero though, particularly in light of the Valhalla VFT video that he posted yesterday. It becomes nearly impossible for me to believe at that point that it was Tyler Robinson from the Losi Center with a 306. That's just that's that's a story that's just rapidly falling apart uh the more we look at it. All right.

Oh gosh, we got so much more to do. I may hold some of this till Sunday. Yeah, I think I'm going to hold some of it till Sunday.

Chapter 7: What Did We Learn?

A Narrative Summary of Where We are to Date So, let me give you a grand summary, I think, of where everything is because we're we're we're now revisiting the scene in light of the preliminary hearing, looking at new evidence over again. Um, after I watched the Valhalla video, I pulled up nearly every clip I could find of the actual bang to see, is there anything even remotely similar. And what I noticed was when the Valhalla video took a 30 six to a freshly slaughtered cow and pig that it was like a an explosion just blows clean through, missed right behind it, knocks whatever it is over backwards. It just destroys it.

But with Charlie, he kind of went like this and then sort of slumped forward and then sort of leaned off to the side. That's inconsistent with the amount of force a 306 brings to the scene of a crime. There's also, as we discussed, no exit wound. There's there's inconsistencies about the Superman neck and all that kind of stuff.

But if you just go back and look at the actual wound itself, and I don't want to describe it in great detail because I don't think it's necessary, but if you've not seen it and you don't want to see it, don't. But if you've not seen it and you want to see it, you want to follow along at home, it might be worth finding a video and watching it because it's not at all what the Valhalla VFT video showed. Not even close. There is no grand expression of power.

It almost looks like he was just sort of opened up, you know, like he he flinched and and just sort of opened up. I compared it yesterday on the member show. You remember those old I don't know how old you people are, but when you used to get Welch's grape juice, it was not in a plastic jar with the thing you twisted off the top. It was in a big gray cylinder.

When you were five, it felt like it was this big of a gray cylinder. The reality was it was like a gray cylinder about this big and you would take the church key off the off the uh uh refrigerator and you would kind of poke a hole in one side and then you rotate it 180° and you'd poke a hole in the other side and that would provide the airflow necessary for the grape juice to get out. It's kind of what it looked like. Just a just an opening.

Doesn't it doesn't look like a great amount of force or damage. It just looks like he kind of flinched and and and was was slowly like sort of superficially opened up and it's not a 300 6. I'm I'm sorry. It's just not a 300 6.