Charlie Kirk Murder and TPUSA Insider Gossip

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I don't know how you go to trial and convince 12 people that's a 3006. Particularly if there's any kind of ballistics expert up there going that's not a 3006. So, in light of that, I go back to the way I opened. What could it have been?

There's been a lot of speculation. Exploding mic, electrocution from a mic, uh, some sort of explosion in the pendant. I know Blake Bednars was pushing that for a while. May still be.

Um, but the answer might be as simple as it's technology we're not aware of. Could be some sort of electromagnetic burst or some sort of directed energy weapon. It could be some sort I mean, we're not exactly sure. We know whatever it was caused his necklace to just go crazy and caused his microphone to be pulled in.

Would a drawing of electrical current up that way cause both of those items to drastically head up towards his neck that way? I would tend to think so. I mean, that's a magnet. A big old strong magnet.

Do I have it sitting on my desk? I'm not sure where my mic is. I have one. It's a strong magnet.

That magnet in the response to electrical current you would think would get pulled towards the current. Well, that magnet got pulled in towards the middle of his shirt really quickly at the exact same time his metal necklace shot up. So, if it's something like that, if it's some sort of advanced we weapons technology, and again, if you're dealing with governments of the world, intelligence agencies, uh, really sophisticated outfits, it's entirely possible something like that happened. So, why is the guy on the roof?

I don't know. Is he creating a distraction? Is he a backup plan? Was he there to interrupt an assassination attempt?

Cuz he caught where? I don't know. I don't know. Was he there solely just to frame Tyler Robinson?

I don't know. But when you look at the entirety of the case, it's becoming increasingly obvious something happened under the shirt. And and I'm I fear that we're not going to know what it was because we don't have in our consciousness, in the public's collective consciousness, the technological knowhow to know what it was. And that's why we rely on things like, oh, it was exploding microphone.

Oh, he got electrified. But something caused his necklace to jump like crazy up towards his neck. Something caused his microphone to rapidly shift towards his neck at the exact same time. So you have an upward movement here and an overmovement here.

Oh, but Baron his neck expanded and pulled his shirt backwards. Nonsense. Nonsense. Your neck expanding and pulling your shirt back.

Don't do that. I'm starting to wonder if the shirt coming back wasn't the same electromagnetic pull that drew the microphone over and the necklace up, which would have caused the back of his necklace to go out and it pulls it all up together. Was that designed to kill him? Was it an accident?

I don't know. I don't know. Did something go wrong? I don't know.

You know, why were Mikey and and and and uh Danny wearing backpacks? I don't know. Was it related? I don't know.

There is so much unknown here. There's so much unknown. I do think it's very weird they both had backpacks on when their car was literally 10 ft away and they were going to be there for hours in the blazing hot sun in Utah. And now we have backpacks that are found and I we don't know where anything is.

You know, this is kind of the origin of conspiracy theory. This is how it came. This is how the phrase came about after the Kennedy assassination. People couldn't explain a bullet doing what it did, what it is alleged to have done.

Moving around, stopping, changing directions, turning, moving, regoing again. People couldn't explain it. They were like, "Oh, they're crazy. They're conspiracy theorists.

" And your explanation, if you try to explain it in conventional terms, sounds crazy. It sounds absolutely bananas. But I'm wondering if I'm right about these planes, and I think I am. I'm wondering who from TPUSA is on these planes.

And why are they going to Salt Lake City three times? And why is it flying back to Mesa, Arizona instead of Scottsdale? And why are they doing it while Charlie Kirk's in Maine? And why is he in Maine if he's just going to be working the whole time?

What kind of vacation is that? Then he comes back from that vacation to go on an international trip right before he kicks off a campus tour where he's going to be gone all fall. It seems to me like someone removed him from the Scottsdale area, put him on the other side of the country, kept him busy during the afternoons and evenings so he wouldn't be asking where everybody is, have him do his radio show in the morning, and then people are free to come and go as they want. They can go anywhere they want.

They can go to Salt Lake City three times if they want. No one will know. They can go to Aspen. They can go anywhere.

Charlie won't be around to ask where is everybody, why isn't anybody in the office or where's so and so, why isn't he in the office? Charlie was not a work from home guy. You went into the office. I guess they did have some remote locations and people working.

But I think if you were in the area, you came in the office. I don't think you could say, "Boss, I'm going to be gone tomorrow. Where you going? " I don't think that I don't think he did that.

If I had to put my money down on the ground right now, I I would state with confidence he was not killed with a 30 odd six. If I had to put my money on the ground right now on what item struck him in the neck, I would say it was the necklace. How did the necklace get to the neck? I don't know.

Do I leave open a possibility it was something from the microphone or some piece of the microphone? Sure. Leave open that possibility. Do I think people are crazy?

No. Am I sitting here interviewing myself right now? Sure. But anybody who just claims it's a 3006, shut up, you conspiracy theorist, is is fundamentally dishonest.

Stop saying palm gun. I see people saying palm gun. Stop saying palm gun. I'm getting to the point where I'm just going to start blocking people who say palm gun.

Not really. I mean, all options are on the table. That one is especially difficult for me to swallow. I worry because I worry about the safety of other people.

Charlie's gone, but there's still a lot of other people around that are are very much here, that still do public events, that still travel, that still travel for work. And if we set the precedent that we can remove political opposition or activist opposition or media opposition solely because they're inconvenient and we don't like what they're saying. If we can just remove them even under the most suspicious circumstances, if we can just shove some fake uh narrative down their throat, then we're all in danger. Not just we meaning the people but I mean everyone in the country is in danger.

Every every dissident is in danger. Every person with a contrary opinion the next time they try to have a a pandemic everyone who opposes it is I would suppose would be now in danger. We can just take you out and they can say it was a 306 from the Losi center from 140 yards. And people say well that doesn't look right.

And they say shut up conspiracy theorist. Eat your fat slop and enjoy it. It's tastes like alpo, but it's okay. It's not going to hurt you.

Suck it down. And it puts everyone in danger. Every single person becomes a target. " Because he's still dead.

And we still don't know who killed him, how or why, and there's still a young man on trial for killing him who may have been involved, but did not shoot him from the Losi Center. May not have been involved. I don't know. I leave open the possibility he was involved, but I truly don't know.

But Charlie Kirk's still dead. We still very much don't know how he died. Imagine if there was podcasting in 1963 and 10 months after JFK died, people like, "You still talk about JFK? 22 minutesYou still talking about it?

Still you're still doing podcast about JFK, guys? It's it's summer of 64. " because it the answer for how he died is wholly unsatisfactory. That's why we're still talking about it.

And until that's solved, every president is in jeopardy. And our country is in jeopardy if the president is in jeopardy. Because if a president can't govern without feeling like he'll be killed, he is at the whim and mercy and direction ultimately of those who might kill him. The same with media.

Every media figure feels like they might be killed for covering a story. Do you think they're going to cover the story? Same with activists. If Jack Pobic or Brandon Tatum or Benny Johnson felt like they might be in jeopardy if they walked out of the courtroom and said, "It's pretty grainy.

Guy kind of looked like a cow up there. " I don't really know who did it. If they felt like they would be in jeopardy for saying that, do you think they're going to say that? Or do you think they're going to walk out and go crystal clear, open, and shut?

And as long as you don't know who killed Charlie Kirk, how or why, everyone's in danger, particularly those closest to him, who might be tempted to otherwise say that's all they have. That's what they bring into the courtroom. Oh, they're not going to win that case. There's no way they can win that case.

All you can see is a couple of black pixels moving around on the screen. I don't even know that's a person. I don't know. They didn't put the black pixels in there.

Who benefits from Charlie Kirk being dead? I saw that in the comments. " Who benefits from him being dead? Probably the same people who benefit from him being out of town for the week so that they can travel wherever they want to go.

allegedly if they indeed were the ones traveling. Interested to see who's on those planes. I don't know how we'll ever find out. Had a conversation with someone the other day and they said, you know, hey, if if if you were TPUSA and you wanted to clean this up, you wanted to regain your reputation.

This is somebody who is not particularly opposed to TPUSA but recognizes the reality is just melting down around them like they've lost all credibility among average people. um that the average college student looks at Erica Kirk and sees Drewuski and that that that that's never going to change and that you have 90% of social media totally banging on her all day every day. " And everybody else is like, "That's crazy. " And I said, "Total transparency.

Total transparency. What do you want to know? What do you want to know? You want to know where I was?

Here's my calendar. Here's my phone. Here are my pictures. Here's who I texted.

Here's what What else do you want to know? You want to know who's on those planes? Here are the manifests. Every single person that flew everywhere on any one of these planes.

What else do you want to know? Total transparency. Total transparency. And if you did not have anything to do with who killed Charlie Kirk, how and why?

Why the cover up? Why are we covering up a crime that didn't exist, that didn't happen? Why are we coming Why are we covering up a a crime that is straightforward, cut, and dry? Why are we telling people that that's Tyler Robinson's Dodge Challenger showing up in front of the the Noble home at 12:47 only to learn on cross-examination that Miss Noble saw a bald man and three passengers?

Why are we told he went into Chick-fil-A where there are actually highquality cameras? Cuz they're indoors. They're all pointed at the thing and we don't get a single picture of him at Chick-fil-A. Why do we learn that that he came out to the courtyard, met with a TPSA representative, but we don't get a picture of him meeting with a TPUSA representative?

We don't get to learn who that person was. We don't get to hear from the TPSA representative. We're told he drives on campus, wanders around, gets back in his car, drives off campus, and like later walks back on campus. Why did he drive off campus if he's just going to walk right back on campus?

And why, right before the crime of his life, is he sitting down eating a box of nuggets at Chick-fil-A on campus on the very campus where the crime is about to take place, making sure he's seen by every camera and every witness. Like, you guys can't answer those questions, but you can answer questions like, "What plane was Andrew Kovette on? Why did his phone break the next day? When did he order a replacement phone?

Was he really live that morning? You could answer where was Erica Kirk. There's got to be evidence of where she was on September 10th and frankly 9th and 8th. 27 minutesYou could talk to the Hopinson aircraft guy and say, "Go on, tell him that I wasn't here.

Why are you neither confirming nor denying that I'm here? I wasn't here. Tell them I wasn't here. I give you full permission.

Instead, we're left with all these coverups and flame outs and people asking what plane Andrew was on and it gets leaked out through some woman named House in Habit that no one's ever heard of. That's how they got the information out. That's how you got out your itinerary. house in habit.

Really on X. You want You wanted to get out, but you get it out that way. You want to get out that she was with her kids and you want to show proof of it, but you get it out through Gary. Blinking Gary.

That's how you get it out. That doesn't look like innocence. " total transparency. Total transparency.

I don't send Blake Sn into X spaces to be condescending, smartass, making fun of people, refusing to answer questions, changing my stories. Oh, I got this story here. Let me show this real quick. I got Blake Nef on one day saying this about where he was.

This was a question, a question posed to him by uh Diligent Dennis. This is a question posed to Blake Snf. Where were you after the event? Do you remember um when you left like Oram or the Oram area that that night?

Did you leave on the tent like the evening of the tent? No, we left the following day. And and and did you like how did you get back to Phoenix? Uh I went back uh on uh a jet that was made available to us like a private jet or something.

Yeah. On the 11th. On the 11th. So So you were in you were in Oram on the night of the on the night of the 10th.

Uh yes, I was. Interesting. Thank you. Sounds Sounds pretty clear.

Sounds pretty clear, right? He was in Oram on the night of the 12th. That seems pretty open and shut. Seems pretty or the night of the 10th, excuse me.

He was actually asked the question twice. So, you were in Oram on the night of the 11th, the home of UVU? Well, he was asked again a couple days later. You sure you were in ORM?

Like, you answered it twice. You said you were in ORM. I don't believe I stayed in ORM. I think I stayed in Salt Lake.

I mean, I don't know exactly where it was, but I stayed in the same place a bunch of other people stayed and we had to drive for a bit. So, I think it was in Salt Lake. Hey, hey, sorry, my mic was muted. Uh, I said Bronson was next.

Uh, do I'll bring you back up. The first time I talked to you, you said you spent the night in Orum. You stayed at a hotel. You may have left the hotel once for food.

Yeah. But now you're Now you're saying you were in Salt Lake. So you're No, I'm not. Now I'm saying my I I don't know the exact context, but my guess is someone said like did you stay in Orum that night?

And I interpret I asked I interpreted as did you stay in Utah that night as opposed to returning to Phoenix where I live. And I stayed in Utah that night and I stayed basically in the same place everyone else stayed. We were all in went to Salt Lake, not Oram. 31 minutesClean that up pretty fast when it was quickly discovered that there was a bald man seen driving around Oram at .

All of a sudden, Blake was like, you know, the more I think about it, I don't think I was in ORM at all. After all, I pretty confident I was in Salt Lake. But you said you're in Orum. You were asked twice, were you in Oram?

Yeah, but that was before I knew there was a bald man driving around. Then you could tell that I'm bald. I don't want to be in ORM. I want to be in Salt Lake with the homies, the rest of the team.

It's interesting because he said he got a ride to the hotel from a state trooper. Now, I can kind of believe that if he got a ride to the hotel back in Orum, I have a hard time believing a state trooper was like, "Oh, you want me to drive you an hour away? Sure, I you know, dial up a state trooper whenever you want. I guess I got to call Uber or Lyft or Yellow Cab.

" Let's be if I'm being honest, that would be the very first time it had ever happened. I don't know if that's what happened that night or not, but that's what we're told. That's what now we're supposed to believe. Yes, I was in Oram.

You're in ORM? Yes, I was in ORM. You know, there's a bald man driving around Oram. I was in Salt Lake.

You said you were in ORM. I don't know. I was in Utah. Square State.

All kind of looks the same. water, salt, mountains, salt lake, Oram. I've been to Utah. I don't think you'd be too confused about where you were.

The the the amount of for a guy that claims to be the smartest person Charlie Kirk has ever met, I think that's a self claim if I'm not mistaken. They certainly pitch him that way in articles about for a guy who is claimed to be the smartest guy Charlie Kirk ever met. He is the least observant about his surroundings. Hey Blake, where'd you go when you flew in?

I don't know. Well, did you go to go on to UVU? Maybe. Did you stay in Salt Lake?

I don't know. Did you go to the Charlie Kirk event at the restaurant conference? Did you have to drive a long way to get there? Can't call.

Can't recall. What did the terrain look like around you? Didn't look. You didn't look out the window.

No. How long did it take you to get there? Time. How much time?

I don't know. What'd you do when you were there? Mark time. How much time?

I don't know. It's like he was given a script. And if the answer is not on the script, he's told to say, "I don't know. " I flew into Salt Lake.

You You got in an SUV. I got in an SUV. Uh, there's nothing else on the script, but did you go to Orum? I don't know.

Did you go to the restaurant event? I don't know. It's not on the script. Did you How long did it take you to get there?

I don't know. Not on the script. I'm looking at the script and it's not on there. Did you stay in Oram?

Yeah, I stayed in ORM. Oh, shoot. That's not on the script. I'm going to come back a couple days and tell you on Salt Lake that daggum script was incomplete.

They didn't tell me not to answer that question. This is why you don't make stuff up. This is why you don't make stuff up. Am I suggesting he made stuff up here?

Well, maybe. I don't know. This is why you generally don't make stuff up because it's hard to remember what you made up and it's hard to know how your madeup story impacts the greater storyline. It's hard to know that when you say you stayed in Oram.

It's hard to remember that there was a bald man seen driving around Oram. It's hard to remember. Can't remember every bald man that was spotted that night. I understand this is what we're dealing with.

This is why I'm talking about transparency. You know, the answer should have been. Where did I stay that night? I don't exactly remember, but I tell you what I'll do.

I've got a confirmation in my email. Uh, or when I get back to the office tomorrow, I'll figure that out and I'll email it over to uh the host and um he can tell you, he'll post it or I'll post it on my Twitter. I'll post the confir, you know, the little folio they send you or whatever. I'll put it up.

Okay. I'll get you an answer. I don't know. is not really much of an acceptable answer when there is question about who killed Charlie Kirk, how and why and you were the one of the last people 10t away from him when he died and you seem suspicious as hell if we're being honest.

Am I calling him a criminal? No. But, you know, he acts really dumb. I mean, you know, they they hired some I can't remember his name.

Some podcaster. They hired some podcaster to come up there and and help him learn how to debate. You don't I don't you don't need someone to teach you how to debate. No one, I don't think, taught Charlie Kirk how to debate.

You just you're honest and you know your material and you just kind of say what you think. And then you don't have to worry about it. Know your material and say what you think. And if someone disagrees with you, say, "Well, I'm sorry we disagree.

" And someone asks you a question, you don't know the answer. You can get back to them. You know, no time limitation here. But what you can't do when there's this massive cloud of suspicion surrounding TPUSA, when people assume that TPUSA must have been involved.

I'm not saying your humble host assumes that, but I know there are people out there who do. I read about it. I see them on X. What you can't do is turn around and start blasting everybody and making them feel like they're idiots or trying to make them feel like they're idiots.

You can't act superior. You can't be dismissive. You can't call them names. I don't remember.

One of the questions he was asked was like, "Can we do you have the microphone? " Well, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, dial it back. Dial it back. That 32-bit float recording is going to tell us a lot about what happened.

And I think it's all the more relevant now in light of the Ben Shapiro admission that he was on the phone or someone on his team was on the phone with someone in that car. One of these microphones would tell you what the content of that call was. And this microphone, the thing about it is it records to two places. It records to the receiver, the transmitter that you're you talk into, flashes a Bluetooth version of that recording to a receiver, but it also records locally.

And so if that microphone wasn't damaged and they're driving down the road and Frank Turk's in the back praying, you're going to hear some our fathers, hail, whatever he's praying. And I don't know how he prays, but you're going to hear some prayers. And if Ben Shapiro security team chimes in or someone originates a call to the Ben Shapiro Shapiro security, you're going to hear it on that microphone. Uh Mr.

Shapiro security team. Yeah, we got Charlie Kirk here. Yeah, he's still alive. I mean, he said he was still alive.

Yeah, he's still alive. It's kind of gruesome thinking about why you would need to make that call because one of the possibilities is really gruesome. He's still alive. What do we do?

The answer can't be just go to the hospital. You're already doing that. The answer can't be try to plug the hole. You're already doing that.

So what's the question? What are you calling them about? You can't just be providing updates. It's that they can't help you from the other side of the country.

So what's the purpose of that call? I'm going to raise one possible purpose of that call and I'm going to tell you I don't know if this is the purpose of the call. " Maybe you don't want to release that phone call. Maybe you don't want to release the road microphone recording of that.

But if I'm the defense, I'm asking for it. I'd like to know if I am representing Tyler Robinson precisely what was discussed on that phone call because now we've admitted he survived the initial trauma. " You've got somebody directing you. " You've already got somebody driving to the hospital.

You wouldn't take him. You wouldn't call and say, "How what? He's alive. " You've got somebody apparently their butts hanging out the door and they're doing their best to try to keep him alive.

So, what's the purpose of the call? What's the purpose of the call? I'll leave it to your imagination to answer what I think the purpose might have been. But it's a dark answer.

Really dark answer. But I can't think of another possible reason that call would need to be placed. And I take Ben Shapiro in this instance at his word that the call was placed from the SUV with a nearly mortally wounded Charlie Kirk and some need to reach out to Ben Shapiro security. And the only reason I can come up with haunts me.

It has haunted me since the moment he said that call took place. I don't see an innocent reason for that call. It's gruesome. I don't think it's confirmation either.

We're told he was alive. You don't need confirmation he's alive to some podcaster in Boca Raton. That's not that's not why that call was placed, I don't think. If you like the uh program, feel free to hit the like button.

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Overlooked Police Audio Reveals Extent of Perceived Threat at Hospitals - Ep 147
Baron Coleman
Jul 19, 2026

We review overlooked audio today that reveals the extent of the perceived threat at area hospitals in the immediate hours after Charlie Kirk was taken down. We discuss who was suspected and what investigation was done.

We also revisit a suspicious SUV we've seen in previous videos and ask if it's the same SUV discussed in the new audio.

And we look at media hits from the early morning hours on September 11, 2025, and ask who was doing the media hits and why.



Transcript

Chapter 1: Intro I hope Andrew Covette's watching cuz I'm about to bust his butt. Uh, guys, welcome in. Welcome in. Welcome in.

If you know Andrew, call him. He's going to want to be on in about a minute and a half, maybe less. Maybe less. So, someone dial him up, text him, say, "Hey, Andrew.

Andrew, lying Andrew Kovette. Lying liar who lies Andrew. Please, by all means, your humble host is requesting your uh attention and and your attendance in class today because this is not going to be a friendly opening for one Andrew Kovette. Um, we have a lot to discuss today.

We have a lot to discuss today. There was some overlooked audio a long time ago. Some audio was posted and then it got lost. And this happens in a case like this where there's just a lot of information that comes at you and it's like drinking out of a fire hose.

So when you drink out of a fire hose, inevitably some of it spills to the ground, uh, and it gets lost. It goes down the drain and you never see it again. So, um, we've we've reengaged the, um, this lo this I don't want to say lost, overlooked, forgotten audio. Uh, and we will go back over it today because, and another thing that's really interesting is when you look at something from the beginning that you haven't heard in 8 n 10 months, and you're looking at it with the perspective of everything you've learned since that audio broke, you see new things you didn't see before.

And we will do that tonight. We'll do that tonight. We've got a lot to go over. I mean, a lot to go over tonight.

Um, so we're going to get a little bit of a postevent timeline. Um, post-event timeline. Uh, we are going to talk about who was looking for Charlie Kirk at the hospital. Um, we have said time and time again that that would have been Zack Careshi.

We may be rethinking that after reooking at this overlooked audio. Maybe you guys will rethink it as well. I'm not telling you what to think. Um, and then we're going to take a look at September 11th, the day after, the morning after, because now we have some additional context on what was going on that morning.

We know where people were and what they were doing. We looked uh I don't remember if it was last th Friday or Wednesday or Thursday, whatever day it was, but we looked at the um the kind of the comingings and goings of of where people were on September 11th and and sort of charted a really tight timeline of where Charlie Kirk could have been. So, we're going to have a lot of fun, but I want to start with Andrew Kovette. I hope he's I hope someone's gotten a hold of him by now.

Uh, Andrew, I want to tell you something, buddy. You are a pathological liar. You are a dishonest Chapter 2: Lying Makes You Look Guilty human being. I will never again believe another word that comes out of your mouth, and I will assume absolutely everything you say is a lie from this point forward.

I've given you the benefit of the doubt on some things. Maybe he's made some mistakes. Maybe he doesn't know what he's talking about. Last week, I made a comment that Erica Kirk, based on available public records, we believed, left Ogden, Utah, where she presumably was staying, or where at least she flew into and flew out of, and went to Manasses, Virginia.

She didn't go to Washington DC. She went to Manasses, which is a pretty good drive away. It's not like next door. There are a lot of airports that can handle private aircraft between Manasses and Washington DC.

I don't blame her for going to Washington DC. She's the CEO of a a massive organization that was putting on an event. It's a key. It's a signature event.

One, probably one of the four or five biggest events they put on a year. The CEO should be there. So, I'm not faulting her for being there. I mean, I thought it was a little weird that she didn't go home and see her kids afterwards.

Um, and so I made that comment. I made that comment on air that rather than going home to see your kids after a very stressful five weeks, five days, excuse me, July 6th through 10, that she flew directly to Manasses, Virginia. That got reported, that got repeated time and time again. And in fact, I started to question myself because of the the uh ferocity ferocity of the push back insisting that her kids were with her.

I will show you quickly a tweet that Andrew Kovette responded to. 4 minutesHere is the way the tweet read. Baron Coleman just reported that instead of going home to her kids after 5 days of preliminary hearings, Erica flies into Manasses, Virginia. That's pretty much precisely what I did.

I did not state with specificity that I knew for a fact and uh Erica's kids were not with her, but I did question because I just assumed they weren't. What are you going to do? Leave them in a hotel all day? It's an hour, hour and a half drive from Ogden to Oram and then you've got to be in court all day.

6 8 9 a day sometimes and then you got to drive back. What are you kids just going to hang out at the Hyatt? I don't know. I mean, that's kind of weird.

And so I just assumed they weren't with her. I was shocked when I now I did not post this picture. I don't know where this picture came from, but um it's actually not a terrible picture of her, you know, to be honest with you. They they think they complained that they someone had grabbed this picture and they were like, I can't believe they used this horrible picture.

I don't think it's bad. I mean, in terms of pictures she's taken, it's not too terribly bad. Uh, in response to that, Andrew Kovette drops an Rbomb. This is That's Andrew, ladies and gentlemen.

Not me. Don't come after your humble host for saying that. I would never say the R word. Not after being chastised so uh forcefully by some of our listening audience.

But this is Number one, she had her family with her all week. two, she flew east to be with TPSA students for the chapter leadership students uh when the court delayed the preliminary hearing. Yada yada yada just explaining why she had to go from event to event. That's fine.

It's this she had her family with her all week that I want to key in on because again his response is to Baron Coleman reported that instead of Erica going home to her kids after 5 days of preliminary hearing, Erica flies into Manasses, Virginia. So what family did she have with her? We know we saw what we believe was her sister. I think that was the reporting.

I frankly did not get a good enough view of her sister to be able to confirm that. All I saw was the side of her head as she was walking out of court one day. I don't really know what her sister looks like all that well. I mean, it kind of looked like her.

Um, kind of looked like Erica, rather, so I assume they were related in some capacity. I'm willing to accept that her sister was with her all week. Someone said that the two people with the girl that we presume is her sister were her sister's kids. I will allow it.

I am not going to fight back on that. I don't care. That's not the point I was making. The point I was making was after being gone for 5 days at a very stressful event, an event you had to get up and leave from, an event you cried about, event you had to sneak in the side door, and I don't blame any of those things either.

None of that was I putting I never one time said a single negative word about Miss Kirk, Dr. Kirk, the whole week. Never one time. I even gave an out saying I don't blame her for going in a side door.

She's a high-profile figure. There was a lot of media. There's a lot of anxiety around this case. There's a lot of anger around this case.

She might very well feel like she's in jeopardy. And going in a side door, I think is wholly appropriate. But if someone comments that I whether even if I didn't report this, I don't think I reported that she 100% did not have her kids with her cuz I didn't know. I just assume she didn't.

But if someone says that I reported she did not have her kids with her and then you come back and say this is that's a lie. Her family was with her all week. Then we presume we being Englishspeaking human beings, rational thinkers, uh uh students of the English language, articulate individuals, logical people. We assume you're talking about the claim that was made.

There's a claim that was made. And the claim was that I reported she wasn't with her kids all week. You come back and say she was with her family all week. Now, there's a change of language there.

8 minutesI've confirmed three different ways. I'm not going to tell you how I did it. But I don't report things when I claim it when I can only confirm it once. I've confirmed through three different sources.

One of which is a current TPUSA employee. I've confirmed three different ways she did not have her kids with her all week. I don't know. You guys cannot possibly understand how shocked I was because even though I don't particularly think Andrew Kovette is a particularly honest human being, I now know him to be an on there confirmed liar cuz he says right here she had her family with her all week.

Well, are you talking about her sister and her niece and nephew or nieces or nephews or whatever they are? I can't remember if it's a boy and a girl or two girls or two boys. Honestly, I can't remember. I think there was a girl.

So, maybe nieces or niece and nephew. Cuz if you're talking about that, why why why are you responding at all? Why would you say that at all? Because the claim wasn't that she didn't have her sister and her niece and niece or niece and nephew with her.

claim was she didn't have her kids with her. You intentionally led people to believe and I know that because you have fellow uh intellectually challenged citizens like Lisa doesn't know, Lisa knows nothing. Whatever whatever her little handle is out there quoting you saying, "I told you Baron's a liar. " And I'm telling you right now, three people, three independent people have confirmed to me she did not.

I don't care if she had her kids with her. It doesn't bother me one way or the other. What bothers me is the utter blatant dishonesty that comes from this organization on a daily basis. You want to earn our trust?

You want us to believe that Erica was where you said she was? Then be honest. Stop getting caught lying. She has every right to ship her kids to her in-laws.

Well, I guess her in-laws were with her. She could put her kids wherever she wants. She could put them in daycare. She could ship them to a summer camp.

I don't care. But don't tell me that they were with her when they weren't. It's a lie. It is a lie.

It is a foundational fundamental dishonest statement. You, Andrew Kovette, are a liar. And you are intentionally misleading other people and you've been caught. You have been caught.

And so now I have to ask, where was Erica Kirk on September 8th? Cuz you told me she was at home with her kids and you just told the world that she her kids were at home and they or were with her and they weren't. They weren't. And if you want to say, "Oh, I was playing a weird game.

" He lie. It's an intentional misrepresentation of the truth. You knew the effect that would have on the listener. It is an intentional misrepresentation of the truth.

Everything you say is a lie. I believe that because the doctor didn't say what you claimed he said. That tweet, by the way, Andrew, that you put up, that tweet you put up putting words in the doctor's mouth, invoking Almighty God himself for a miraculous intervention that saved lives. That tweet is still up.

And I'm telling you right now, he disclaims it. He disclaims it. He says he didn't say it to you. And he says he didn't talk to you about it.

He talked to Erica. And you might have been on the phone. You're a dishonest person. You have to live with yourself.

Maybe in this life, Andrew, your dishonesty is netting you millions of dollars. I don't know. might be netting you a great life. You get to host the Charlie Kirk show in his name.

You get a tweet under his name. You get a tweet under his wife's name, maybe. I don't know. But you are a fundamentally dishonest human being.

You've been caught in another lie. At what point does the lying add up to the point where people say this is unacceptable? I ask you donors of TPUSA, is this the organization you want to fund? supporters, chapter leaders.

Is this the type of place you want to be associated with? A place where the lead spokesman, the host of the Charlie Kirk show, the PR guy, gets caught over and over being blatantly and fundamentally dishonest, lying. If what you meant was, why does it matter where her kids were? That's none of your business.

Agreed. It's none of my business. None of my business. I, as a father of eight children, after being gone for 5 days on a particularly stressful week, would want to come home to my family, want to see my kids.

I questioned why she didn't have the same instinct. But it doesn't matter. That's irrelevant. I don't even know if her kids honestly were home.

I just know they weren't with her. I don't even know where on earth they were. I just know they were not with her. And that, my friends, is dishonesty.

And Andrew, you can challenge me all day you want, all all day long. current TPUSA employee, someone who was on the ground in Utah, affiliated with TPUSA, guaranteed me they were not with guaranteed me they were not in the state of Utah. Promised me. And I believe them because I don't believe they have a reason to lie.

And if they were wrong, that's fine. You can come out and double down. You can come out and say again, "No, no, no. " But I don't I don't believe that's true.

It's three independent people that did not even know I was talking to the other two. None of them knew I was talking to the other person. They all had the exact same story. You guys have to be careful when you don't know who our sources are.

You have to be very cautious when you don't know who our sources are. Very, very cautious because your lies catch up with you. Your lies catch up with you. I would ask you before I report it, would you like to explain where she was this weekend, Andrew, and what she was doing this weekend?

Because I may decide to talk about it this week at some point. I think it'd be better coming from you guys. I understand you guys feel like, "Oh, I got the ear of the president. We got the FBI on our side.

" I understand you think that it keeps you immune from any criticism. I get that. I get that. But the reality is it doesn't people are drawn to honesty.

They're drawn to real life. and she is a public figure and people have an interest in what's going on just like they follow professional athletes or politicians, CEOs of corporations like Elon Musk or Bill Gates. When highly notable, high-profile figures travel, people take an interest in where they're going, who they're talking to, who they're with, who's with them. I appeal to your, if there is any left in you, sir, I appeal to your sense of 16 minuteshonor and integrity, any shred of credibility you want people to think you have.

And start being honest. Start being honest. You could come clean on this tweet. Actually, you could retweet yourself.

You could quote tweet yourself and say, "I didn't mean to be misunderstood. " Okay, we all saw the family on TV. Great. Great.

I would actually allow that. That would be a correction that that I would praise. But you get your minions out there and you get them unleashed and I get dozens or hundreds of messages and hundreds of tweets and hundreds of mentions, maybe thousands, calling me a liar because they put faith in what you have to say. And they need to stop.

They need to stop because what you said wasn't true or what you led them to believe wasn't true. Whether or not the precise actual words she had her family with her all week. Well, she did have some family with her all week, but the question was about the kids. And you answered in a way that everybody who read it believed you were talking about her kids.

And it wasn't true. And again, I'll say, would you like to be the one to explain where she was this weekend and what it was about? I think you should. I think you should because what happened was a, in my opinion, a sign of desperation, a sign that it's all crumbling down.

I think you agree with me deep down, maybe even right on the surface. I think you agree with me. I look forward to hearing what you have to say about it before I do, honestly. Um, guys, welcome in.

That was a personal message to Andrew. I'm sorry. I think dishonesty in this case, it is of 18 minutessuch high magnitude that you have to look at everything they say through the lens that what they're saying very well may not be true. I approached this show in a fundamentally different capacity.

I don't try to mislead anyone. I try to be honest and and give you the facts as I understand them. That's what I'm doing tonight. I'm telling you right now, the facts as I understand them.

Three different independent witnesses, none of whom knew I was speaking with the other, all told me almost to the using the same words the same thing. Hey, I was called a liar. Do you know if I was lying? Do you know if I was misrepresenting it?

because it kind of seemed like her kids weren't with her. Why would anyone call you a liar? They weren't with her. I I was with her.

They weren't with her at all. Kids were nowhere to be found. Oh, okay. No, I can assure you.

I I currently work at TPUSA and I know where her kids were. I said, "Don't tell me. " Don't tell me where they were. And honestly, I don't want to know where they were.

But you promise they weren't with her? No, I guarantee you they were with her. I know precisely where they were the whole time. The whole week of Utah and the whole weekend after they weren't with her.

I said, "Okay, it was disappointing. " But now I go back and think of everything. I think of all the statements you've put in people's mouths. All the things you tell us about what Charlie told you.

Oh, you know that that he hated that Candace. He couldn't stand. He was managing Candace. Oh, like like her kids were with her.

Same kind of reality. ing truth. Oh, Charlie, you know, he told me every time I turned around, you know, I was in the shower, you know, rubbing my armpits with a loofah getting in all the sensitive areas and and Charlie's just banging on the glass door. If anything happens to me, Andrew, boop, boop.

If anything happens to me, what what, Charlie? What? What? I want Erica to take over.

I know you just told me that at breakfast. I just want you to be sure. Every time every time I turned around, says Andrew Kovette, a Charlie was insisting that Erica would take over if something happened to you. I don't believe you anymore.

You've been caught lying too many times. Now, it's like I said, it's possible every single person I talked to went on the record, not went went on background with me and lied. It's possible they all went on background and lied. But I don't believe that's true.

How would they know to lie so consistently? They wouldn't. They don't even know each other. I don't think.

I mean, yeah, I guess two of them do. How would they know? I question everything you say. You guys like to point, "Oh, that baron, he's a con man.

" Name one thing, I will correct the record. You prove me wrong on something, I'll correct the record. I will lovingly correct the record and I'll be thankful to do so because I want the impression I leave people to be accurate. I want it to be accurate.

" Because he strives for accuracy. And if I later learn something that changes it, I'll say who. I think I was wrong. It's actually this.

I'll do that a little bit tonight. Frankly, this is a story I don't have to do tonight, but I'm going to. And it's a story that's going to cause me to rethink some of the things I've said about this case. And that's okay.

Why? Because we strive for accuracy. We strive for accuracy. And as we learn new facts or we view old facts in a new light, we may have to adjust the way we think about things.

But I am beside myself after the conversations I had with people over the last several days. The first conversation I had was actually before I went on the air Friday night, but I only had one person and I wasn't going to sit there and call Andrew a bald-faced liar on the word of one person. Yesterday I talked to another one and today I talked to another one and I thought, my goodness, they all said the same thing. He li he he had to have lied.

He must have lied. But again, if you insist that what you said was accurate and you have some basis to demonstrate that what I said was wrong, I'll be happy to correct it. I'll be happy to correct this. The same tweet.

All right. Um, so I want to um I want to play a man. I don't want to play that. I want to play a um a video.

Chapter 3: We Found a Bald Man and Three Passengers! I want to begin to establish a timeline. This video is going to be the basis for the timeline we're going to establish today, particularly around who was going hospital to hospital looking for Charlie Kirk because a lot of reporting, including from your humble host, has put the blame of that on a guy named Zechariah Careshi. After reviewing this audio that has been available for months and months and months, but audio we'd frankly forgotten about and viewing it in light of everything we've learned to date, I don't know that that's necessarily true.

So, I want to establish whether or not that's true. No one's asked us to make a correction. No one's contacted me and told me what we reported was wrong. No one's tagged me in something and said, "Hey, you got that wrong.

" And so we're going to go over this timeline, but I want to show you real quickly. There's been a lot of discussion about a bald man with three passengers. And so we scoured the internet. Who could be this bald man with three passengers?

If you don't know what we're talking about, let me pull this down for you a second. If you don't know what we're talking about, um, Miss Noble is the name of a woman who lives in Oram, Utah. She had some Nest doorbell footage that she turned over to law enforcement after um the evening of September 10th on into the morning of September 11th. In the middle of the night, while most normal people are asleep, somebody was driving around Oram, Utah, and they parked in front of Miss Noble's house.

The car they were in looked suspiciously like a Dodge Challenger, leading many to believe it was probably Tyler Robinson coming back to look for the weapon he had stashed. That's the official narrative, that he stashed a weapon and he comes back and looking for it. We don't know whether that's true or not, but that's the story we've been told. And the Dodge Challenger pulling up in front of the Nest doorbell camera was supposed to support that ch that that narrative.

" And he was like, "Oh, actually, yeah, she did. She did tell us that. And didn't the person, Miss Noble, who captured the footage say there were three passengers in the car with the bald man? As a matter of fact, she did.

Matter of fact, she did. Well, it was interesting that they were trying to hide that from us. So, we scoured the internet. We looked and looked.

Can we have any evidence any time on September 10th that a bald man was seen with three passengers? Well, as a matter of fact, we have that breaking news, ladies and gentlemen. where we're continuing to follow developments surrounding the shooting. If you don't know who that is, that's Mikey McCoy walking in on the right.

That's Mikey McCoy. He is down to one strap on the backpack. You know, he had two straps the whole time on the uh while he was at the event, but now he's down to one. Down to one strap.

Okay. Of Republican. 26 minutesOh, there's two more people. That's three people.

That could be three passengers. In the foreground, we have Danny Phillip. In the back we have uh Nate Williamson. Okay, so we've got we got three people that could be three passengers.

Are we going to find a bald man in this footage? An activist. Oh, there's a bald man. He's in the back.

He's got a muffin top. That's Blake Nef presumably. That's Blake Nef. That's a bald man with three passengers pulling up to the hospital.

Uh I don't know what time this was. , but we have no idea when it was captured. But we have a bald man and three passengers pulling up to the hospital. Now, is this the same bald man or three the same three passengers pulling up to the uh uh Nobles house at at ?

I don't know. I you know, I can't say that with any certainty. I'll tell you who I won't ask that question to is Andrew Kovette. He just lied to me.

He would lie to me like he lied about Well, I I'll leave it to your imagination whether he would tell the truth. Charlie Kirk, who was on a campus nearby. I'll be honest, these guys don't seem particularly torn up. This is This is in the immediate aftermath of the taking down of Charlie Kirk.

I mean, this is like I don't know, could be as little as an hour, maybe as maybe two hours at the most. I I mean I think I was more torn up sitting at this very desk in Middle Tennessee. I having I don't believe ever met Charlie Kirk. I went back and looked through a bunch of old pictures of me at events just to see if I had ever met him.

I don't think I did ever met him. I saw a lot of weird pictures in there as I was flipping back through them. Um but but they don't I'll let you see this again. They don't seem particularly torn up.

They're just sort of mosying. Mikey looks like he's playing words with friends. just kind of playing words with friends there. Republican activist Charlie Kirk who was on Danny Phillip just mosying like he's heading to heading to English 101.

Got to go see what Professor Samson has to say today about the Iliad on a campus nearby talking to students as he frequently does. He is the leader of the Republican youth movement. President Trump called him instrumental in getting him reelected as president. There was a shooting today and Charlie Kirk's representatives conf bald man with three pastors.

Bald man with three pastors. Uh question question. We we we we made a point the other day to point out that the only two people in the place that were affiliated with TPSA that we could find that had backpacks on were um actually there were three, but but the only two men were were Blake I mean were uh Mikey and and Danny. They still have their backpacks on.

Like you you you obviously came to the hospital in a car. You can't leave the backpack in a car. You couldn't leave the backpack in a car that was 10 ft away from you at the event. It was right there.

It was open. It was literally right there. Frank Turk allegedly left his bag in a car. Anyway, I I just want you to know we found a bald man with three passengers.

That's funny. , so it had to be recorded before that. And it it looked appeared to be B-roll, so you would think it wasn't live footage. So, you would think it's sometime before .

So, you're talking inside of an hour and a half, maybe earlier than that. They don't look particularly torn up, if I'm being honest. Chapter 4: Eye Witnesses to Charlie Kirk Arrival at Hospital? Now, I want to play um a witness.

I don't know whether to believe this witness or not, but I do want to play a little bit of this because we're going to bounce off of this and try to think if this helps our timeline at all that we're going to talk about today. I don't want to spend an excessive amount of time about this. Um, so I'm not going to 30 minutesplay the whole thing. I think I'm going to play like the first two minutes, but um, this is somebody who claims that they were an eyewitness to the arrival of Charlie Kirk.

" So, we tracked it down. It was on Project Constitution's page. Um, he was kind enough to put this video up. So, I'm going to let it roll and tell you just a little bit, if this guy's being honest, what it means.

So, they head north. The first one And they pull in right over here where it says ambulance right here. Then they go around over here to the front where it says surgery. And then I was parked right here.

And when when they pulled in here, some dude gets out in the back. Some dude's in the back like of the SUV. has like a white hat on and he gets out from the I don't know what the he's doing in the back. Oh, sorry for the language, guys.

Isn't No, not like in the back seat. He's in the back like the the hatch of the SUV opens up. Dude gets out. Driver gets out.

He's bald-headed, dude. Now, now that's another bald-headed guy. 32 minutesA lot of follically challenged TPS USA officials on the ground that day. Um, so they what he's describing is, and he doesn't really describe too much more.

He doesn't talk about them getting Charlie out or anything, but he talks about um the guy with the hat getting out, the guy with the u and I'm going to fast forward just a little bit here because he then he starts talking about something else, but he talks about the guy in the back, that would be Frank Turk, the bald-headed guy, that would be I think his name's Justin. Um, and so you have you you have at least an accurate description of where everybody was. Now, it's possible that by the time this guy had seen this video footage, uh, or that decided to record this video footage, he had seen the footage of Frank Turk jumping in the back. He'd heard the discussion about who was where.

He knew that Justin Davis, the bald-headed guy, was driving. I mean, there was video available. You remember, um, probably most terrifyingly, uh, well-known footage was from Terrell Farnsworth, the incredibly creepy, very suspect, very suspicious footage that he filmed. Somehow when the bang went off, Terrell Farnsworth knew precisely where to go stand to film Charlie Kirk being taken to the SUV.

We still don't know to this day and no one's bothered to ask him and get him on the record saying, "How did you know where to stand? How did you know precisely where to stand? " But that but that's neither here nor there. So he describes that.

Now he describes Mikey McCoy showing up. What's that table? They come, they throw your ass on and then wheel you in that thing. Now, here's where I'm at.

This is where I'm parked. About , later, let's see. 3 . Yeah, about five.

I don't know. No, I do know. Let's just say up to five. Another SUV pulls in.

Okay. But this SUV passes me right here. That's why I keep saying it looked like Mikey McCoy. And then this one, cuz at the time that this is happening, I'm eating my cheeseburger and fries in a milkshake.

And I Yeah. See, this is the thing eyewitnesses don't get. We don't care what you're eating. Just tell us where people went.

And honestly, the adding the I was eating my cheeseburger, fries, and milkshake. Maybe think, man, is this guy laring? Like, is he just adding details for the sake of adding? But I'm going to let him go for a second.

Um, and then I'll explain. I think if he doesn't get to the point quickly, I'll explain what what he's saying. I have no idea what the going on. All right, I'm gonna stop him.

I forgot he cut I forgot he cussed this much. Basically, what it says is Mikey McCoy goes around to the other side of the building and and some guy he doesn't go in. He parks over by the physician parking and somebody from inside the hospital comes out, gets in the car with Mikey, and they leave. So, if that happens, we don't believe it would have been um Brian Harpole.

Brian Harpole describes being on top of the stretcher cutting off 35 minutesCharlie Kirk's shirt and uh and and ordering doctors around and telling them what to do. Fantastical, but that's what he says he's doing. Um, we don't believe it's Frank Turk because Frank Turk describes being at the hospital the entire time and needing scrubs and all this other stuff. So, we don't believe it's Frank Turk, which leaves Justin the driver and Dan Flood, assuming it's someone who came with Charlie.

Justin the driver and Dan Flood. And then they leave. One of them, one of the two of them leaves, assuming it's someone with the original party. question is where would they be going three or four minutes after they dropped Charlie off?

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Why are they in such a hurry? Where are they headed? And where's Mikey McCoy headed? So, I don't know if this story is true or not.

If it's true, it's a it's a data point that we got to think about and try to figure out what exactly is going on because at this point, you got to realize um Mikey has no idea what's going on. He he didn't even see Charlie fall off the chair. All he did was turn, walk away, and start calling people and telling them there's a lot of blood. There's a lot of blood.

I still don't know how he knew that. He left before the blood showed up. So, if this guy's telling the truth, I think there are some legitimate questions that are that are given to Mikey McCoy and then either Justin or Dan. Like, where were you headed?

Where did you go? If it wasn't Justin or Dan, there's an even bigger question. Who got in a car with you, Mikey? You you showed up.

Somebody came in from inside the hospital and left. It was just a few minutes after they got there. And we get some kind of an idea too of potentially how much time they made up by going as Brian Harple described 60 80 100 miles an hour and breaking intersections. Sounds like they made up about .

Okay, I'll allow that. Uh, but where were they headed and who got in the car? We presume it wasn't Charlie that got in the car. That would be weird if it was.

Uh, but we presume it wasn't Charlie that got in the car. It's worth noting. It's worth noting. I'm not suggesting this plane did anything wrong, but it's worth noting that plane that in the first to after the event at UVU happened, that there was a plane ina Kilo Golf that took off from ORM, Utah, not terribly long or Provo, Utah airport not terribly long after the Charlie Kirk event and then turned its ADSB transponder off, disappeared from radar, presumably landed somewhere or turned around and came back, but came back and turned its ADSB transponder back on on the way back to Provo and landed and we still don't know where that plane went.

We have a statement from the owner of the plane saying all all was fine. It was in accordance with standard policy that we didn't do anything wrong. I don't know that I believe that if I'm being honest. It sounds really suspicious to me.

In the back of my mind, that guy is still very much part of this story. But without more to go on, you know what more can you say about it? We said all there was to say about it nine months ago when it happened. Now, uh, but let's just say what he's saying is true.

Who was in the car? Where was Mikey in such a hurry to go? 38 minutesWhere did he go after he left? Those are all live issues, and I hope the defense gets to the bottom of those questions.

So, this is just sort of a um a a um kind of a postevent timeline. Now, we have another potential eyewitness if she is if what she's saying is true. This is on Twitter. Again, it's hard to tell if what people on Twitter say is true.

We know Andrew Kovette is on Twitter, for example. We now question absolutely everything he says, but here's another potential eyewitness that might be able to put Charlie Kirk at the hospital. I'm currently at Tiffanogus Regional Hospital visiting my grandmother. There are tons of police cars out front.

They're putting up yellow caution tape around the entrances. I believe Charlie Kirk is here. m. m.

our time. So, nearly an hour after um after the event, he went down at . Uh , excuse I'm screwing the time on. He went down to .

This would have been posted at 1:20 local time. And he says UVU is right down the road. And then she updates with a picture showing the caution tape and the police vehicles there. So, um and the police placed the hospital on lockdown.

Told me I can't leave. Stuck here with grandma. Could be worse. The woman is 95 and just had a heart attack.

And she's more worried about Charlie Kirk than herself. still locked down. My guess is his family is here. I didn't know you could force people to stay in a hospital.

Like, I'm old school. If I'm ready to leave the hospital, I got to go. I'd probably say I'm having a medical emergency and I got to get out of here. " It's a good point.

You make an excellent point, officer. Um, so we have, um, let's see here. m. m.

m. local time. We have a clip from the local news that says the medical examiner may be showing up. Out to Michael Gubby, who is at the hospital.

Michael, I understand that we're seeing some new vehicles to arrive. You're right, Robin. We've just seen two um offices of medical examiner vehicles come into Temp Regional Hospital. You see one of them moving right now.

We saw uh who appear to be law enforcement in tactical vest helmets come out of one of the cars and they're here um to of course investigate the death of Carly Kirk and look into the body as well. So, we've just seen that um happen right here. have been more police officers kind of going in and out mainly proviner show up. Okay, fair enough.

So, we're getting sort of a timeline built out on everything that's happening that day. We know at that time the hospital is uh according to at least one witness, the um uh Oh, it's echoing. It shouldn't have been echoing. Um, at least uh, one witness says the hospital's still locked down.

Now, we go to the medical examiner's office, the state medical examiner's office, a little town called Taylor'sville, just south of Salt Lake City. It's kind of in that metropolitan sprawl that makes up the majority of the population of Utah. m. through the doors behind us.

And, you know, in death, basically, we're all in particular, a homicide. This is going to require a full investigation combined with an autopsy. And given the lateness of the date today, this likely is not going to happen tomorrow. The other thing to keep in mind here is that with law enforcement at UVU, they may or may not be able to uh to handle this level of investigation.

So, it may behoove someone like the Utah County Major Crimes Task Force or some other investigative agency to be there during the autopsy. And there could be some complications because clearly there were life-saving efforts made at the hospital down in ORM. Uh that could complicate whatever happens with the autopsy here tomorrow. But that's going to be a full investigation.

Again, this is a homicide case. Uh again, whether it was Mr. Kirk sadly today or someone here in the valley. It's the same protocol, the same procedure, and the body of Mr.

Kirk. It's expected to arrive here probably within the next half an hour or so. an hour. Well, he was off by about an hour and a half because we think it arrived closer to , 7:30 or 8:00 rather than closer to 6:30 or .

But we will notice that the guy could not have been more wrong. " No, sir. No, sir. Some dead people are more dead than others.

Some people are worth more in death than than others. uh he seemed to be mistakenly under an impression that uh in death we're all treated equally and that Charlie Kirk would be treated the exact same as someone else. m. It's after business hours.

This may not even be able to happen tomorrow. Plus, they were life-saving measures that took place. So, we're probably going to have an even more extended autopsy as they have to differentiate uh uh wound from the event from wound from the life-saving measures. Well, we now know none of that happened.

It was quick. It was dirty. It was in the middle of the night. m.

The body was packed up and it left before any news organizations showed up. I don't blame news organizations for not camping out overnight. Nobody would have expected that to be the case because again, I think the newsband was right. Most of us assume that in death we're all pretty much equal and that everything would be um everything would sort of um sort of take place according to protocol.

Now this is going to be a little interesting. This is going to be timeconuming. So I need you guys to bear with me here. Um we are going to go through a lot of audio.

Let me get it on the right screen here. We're going to go through a lot of audio. This audio is going to be um where's the uh where's the spreadsheet we were working of? I guess I don't need um all right.

Chapter 5: Radio Transmissions Clarifying Confusing Investigations and Clearances of Zach Qureshi, Andrew Piskadlo, and Guy Going Hospital to Hospital

We knew that we were looking for a guy named Zechariah Careshi. We'd been talking about him. He's come up. We've looked into his past.

We've looked into his dad's past. We've looked into his brother's past. We've looked into the whole family. Uh Domin uh Dominic Dom from I don't give a dam gave a great piece last night on Zechariah Careshi.

Um but we have to go back and look at it in the context of what was actually said on the police scanner radio. And we're going to do that now. So, we have a um a number of items from that day's radio transmission. m.

So, almost two uh almost rather after Charlie Kirk went down. We start hearing about Zechariah Careshi and we start hearing about people going hospital to hospital perhaps. Why did Zechariah Careshi come up on anybody's radar? We now know.

we now know. Um, and I'll play this now. I hope the audio is better on this than it was on what we listened to just a little bit ago. Uh, but let me share the screen here so that uh you guys won't see me large looking over my shoulder at my little monitor off to the side of my desk because I've got to work on two different monitors to see this.

But the first thing is they're looking for somebody going place to place. Hey, I just got a call from my captain. Evidently, this suspect was at Utah Valley and left and may be heading towards temp or o. If we can get a detective each one of those location at the front entrance of either the ER or the building to see where uh if he comes to one of those locations, so the the transcript's not exactly right.

Um he's look he had somebody at uh Utah Valley Hospital looking for Charlie Kirk and they don't know if he's going to Tempanogga's hospital or the other hospital in the area. So they're telling people, hey, be on the lookout. Something suspicious happened. We've got to uh we we've got to make sure nobody else is in danger here.

So that's how this whole thing kicks off. This is the beginning of somebody going hospital to hospital looking. Now, the times you're looking at are Eastern times on the screen here. Uh, so this next one we're going to play is going to be it's going to say 4:49 Eastern, but the reality is it's 3:49 uh or 2:49 rather mountain time.

2:49 Mountain time. I think it's uh it's important to remember that. Here's the next piece here. 2J 104.

The guy that has a 400 South 2J address that they are wanting watched is a Zachariah Careshi. He drives a red Toyota Corolla. Okay. Sorry, it's actually black.

2016. They last hit on clock last night. Provo on Center Street. Don, can you put that out on our groupy so we can look it up the spelling of his name?

Yeah, I'll put that out. And this info came in the chat. Someone called in and said that he posted something on social media about something he wanted to do to Charlie Kirk. So, I'm going to pause it there.

The reason Zechariah Careshi came on the police radar was not because he was going hospital to hospital looking for Charlie Kirk. 48 minutesIt was because he had posted something to social media allegedly per pursuant to what we just heard on the police radio that he wanted to do something to Charlie Kirk. That's why he ended up on the police radar. That's the guy they're looking for.

They're talking about his home address. They're talking about his car, what kind of car he drives. They're talking about where it was last spotted on flock cameras, which frankly should be terrifying to all of us. Now we will uh continue.

Okay. So, I got a picture of another picture of suspect and we're going to get a picture of a vehicle and that's what we're going to be looking for at any of the three locations that we're going to right now. My spouse is doing some Facebook stalking and it looks like that dude is actively deleting posts on Facebook. So, this makes it look even more suspicious.

If you say you want to do something to someone and then something happens to that someone and then you're driving around town deleting the post that said you wanted to do something, you look pretty bad for being honest. I think good police work would say, "Who is that? What did he do? Why is he deleting his Facebook posts?

Perhaps we should go look him in the eyeballs. " So, this is how Zechariah Careshi showed up on police radar and not police radar. I shouldn't say that because police radar could be like the radar gun and that's not what we're talking about. This is how he ended up to in police attention.

This is why they started talking about him. Somebody called the police and said, "Hey, there's a guy named Zechariah Keshi. " You'll notice all these posts saying he wants to do something to Charlie Kirk. Now, why would he want to do something to Charlie Kirk?

I don't know. Is it related to his work, his dad's work, his brother's work? Is he part of some Magic the Gathering game where they were getting a little crazy talking about Charlie Kirk? Is he somehow related to all these weirdos in Utah that were talking about Charlie Kirk?

I don't know. Does he politically not like him? Does he think he's too far right, too far left? I don't know.

I don't know. But that's how he ended up on the radar. Now, we will get to the point of some of the confusion here in just a moment and why it was everybody instantly started reporting that he was the guy going hospital to hospital. Toyota just pulling up, parking on the street, black.

So, we've got a black Toyota pulling up and parking on the street. Toyota Corolla again. So, this is the guy that's posted stuff on Facebook, but it his car doesn't match what hate's sending out. So, we just want to keep an eye on this, but uh it's disappearing on me.

Sierra 820 Bravo Lima. Hey, blue polo shirt, black backpack, tan pants just went in unit six. Uh does not appear to be the male in the photo. So, they've got a photo of a suspect.

There are two things taking place here. We have a guy going hospital to hospital looking I think even the police get confused. We've got a guy going hospital to hospital presumably. That's what the fear is.

Looking for Charlie Kirk. They'll explain why they say that in just a second. But you've got a guy who goes into the hospital says where's Charlie Kirk? And then he runs off.

And so they've got an idea of what that guy looks like. They send a picture of that guy around. Meanwhile, we have a second discussion taking place about a guy who actively said on Facebook he wanted to do something to Charlie Kirk. What that was, we don't know.

And then he's actively deleting it in the aftermath and that has landed on the police's attention and they're looking for him. Well, they just camped out at his apartment. They had his address. They had a unit there camping out and they just watched him walk in his apartment.

He's got on a blue shirt and khaki pants. He doesn't match the photo of the person who left the hospital. That's what you just heard. I think the blue shirt and khaki pants is pretty accurate because that's what we have him on camera wearing at the event.

We know where he was standing. We know who he was standing with. Ironically, he was standing with two guys in maroon shirts, but apparently maroon is a very popular color among the younger set at UVU. Might have nothing to do with any operations.

Uh, but I want to go back and and uh let this transmission finish here, but I'm just trying to make sure everybody's clear in their mind what's happening here and why there was the so much confusion about Zechariah Keshi. Uh, Tim, you just got out of that black car. Okay. Can you tell me that description again?

Uh heavier set male maybe 20 navy blue polo tan pants black backpack long short hair. 53 minutesOkay. So best guess is an older mo older model Nissan Armada or a Toyota Seoia would be the best guess. So now they're back asking about the person who left the hospital.

Now they're saying it looks like an older model Nissan Armada. No one on their right mind would confuse an older model Nissan Armada, which is a full-size SUV, 15-year-old full-size SUV with a, you know, a SUV compartment, you know, big car with a Toyota Corolla, which is just larger than a micro machine. A teeny teeny tiny little car. No one's going to confuse the two.

And so it's clear we're talking about two different people. But over the police scanner, it gets kind of confused. It gets conflated. You end up with people, your humble host included, that listen to this and thought Zechariah Careshi was the person going hospital to hospital looking for Charlie Kirk.

What they're saying is the person who busted into the hospital looking for Charlie Kirk was in a in their best guess an older model Nissan Armada, perhaps a Toyota Seoia, but they think they're pretty sure it was a Nissan Armada. Um, and so let's uh let's continue. Let's continue here. Um, Armada may be closer than the Sequoia.

All right. And best guess is it's this dude you're sending pictures of and not the heavier set guy that we're watching in 2J. Yeah, this dude here was heavier set and did not have a prosthetic hand to watch use both of them normally. Enter suspect number three.

We had Zechariah Careshi. He has two hands, two natural hands. Zechariah Koreshi drives a Toyota Corolla. He was wearing a blue shirt and khakis.

So, put him to the side. That's person one. Zechariah Keshi. Then you have a one-armed bandit.

55 minutesWe don't know his name yet on here. We do know his name. His name was Andrew Prescalo. He's done interviews.

He's talked about it. He's been open about it. He was seen on uh footage in the in the immediate aftermath running away. He had kind of a black suit with a white shirt.

He was carrying a a bag and in the bag had a strap and people thought it might have been a a firearm. And so he's wandering around but he has one arm and he looked pretty suspicious if I'm being honest. I mean who wears a suit and carries a bag with a strap in it of wandering around a college campus? Apparently Andrew Pascalo does.

But he only has one arm and it look and you didn't know he just had one arm. It looked like he was wearing a glove. Why? Gunshot residue, fingerprints.

I mean, your your mind can go wild at that point. And so they're now talking about three different people. You have uh Zechariah Keshi, you have Andrew Pascal, the one-armed man, and then you have the guy going hospital to hospital looking for Charlie Kirk, who may be driving in an Armada, a late an early model Armada. And that guy apparently is heavy set.

Where did we hear heavy set? Oh. Oh, officer Bagley described the person on the roof as not heavy set. So, I think we can safely rule that guy out.

He's not heavy set. I know that. All right. So, let's fast forward a little bit.

Um, we'll fast forward a little bit. Uh, let's go to 15 23. Oh, not 25. 23.

22. We'll have to make 22 work. Um, so let me pull this back up now. We're going to get a little differentiation.

I just talked to a 2J patrol. He said that they didn't have anybody do anything on fourth South. Um, the bull they they got out was not the same vehicle that they saw leave the hospital that they thought suspect was. That's going to be the SUV, the auto looking one.

All right. Yeah, I just talked to him there. There's no car outstanding. Uh they didn't know that the guy went in the apartment because some other traffic going on.

But if this guy comes out, we'll contact him, see what he has to say, but he doesn't match our description. So, they basically ruled out Careshi by this point. They say, "Hey, we're not going to bother this guy. He doesn't match the description of the guy on campus that we're looking for with one arm.

doesn't match the description of the guy going hospital to hospital looking for Charlie Kirk. And so we're going to rule this guy out. But let's keep eyes on him. And if he comes out, we'll ask him what's up.

But cuz we know he was suspiciously deleting Facebook post and that's a little weird if we're being honest with each other. But let's not let's not like bust in his door. We don't need to send swat. Now we got our first mention now of Andrew Pascalo by name, I believe.

Yeah. And in talking to the bosses above, uh, our main suspect is still going to be that guy in the black suit with the prosthetic hand. Um, their guess is it is an Nissan Armada at best and that'll be the main suspect. The photo, the really good photos that we got were ones from the Valley Hospital where he specifically went there asking for Charlie Kirk.

When confronted, he took off running and got in that car and jetted out of there. just talked to the medical examiner's office. And so there's a question, are they still conflating Andrew Pascalo with the guy who went into the hospital? We don't know this yet.

We'll have to keep listening to find out. We don't know at this point. Are they still uh conflating the two? But they don't give up on Zechariah Kareshi.

They actually do go talk to him. They actually do go talk to him. I actually want to stop at this point. I want to show you real quickly um a picture of the SUV that drew our attention.

There was an older model SUV, if you recall, that showed up next to Tyler Robinson or one of the Tylers as he's walking on the campus. This is limping Tyler. This is limping Tyler. He walks up to the corner here and an older model SUV.

See that? Pulls up beside him. It's dark. Could be green.

Could be gray. Could be black. We're not sure. But it's definitely an older model um SUV.

Is it a Nissan Armada? Is it an older model GMC Yukon? You know, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. We don't know.

We don't know. But I do want to just leave that in your mind when you hear one of the radio transmissions coming up here shortly. But they now go over to and um Caresh's apartment. And I want to I want to bring your attention to going over to Kesh's apartment because while they're there, they get a visit.

And the visit in light of everything we now know is a little interesting. The visit's kind of shocking, frankly, in light of what we know. All right, KK, you'll have a good eye on the door. We'll have a radio with us.

Um, but other than that, we'll be incognito knowing that Cook, you're going to be around the corner ready to help if needed. Correct. Cook, are you on this channel? Let me call Cook real quick.

Yeah, I got you. So, Brandon and I will go to the door. You'll be around the corner for our support if needed. There is a window on the right side of the door and the blinds are open.

All right. They're 82. You say that again, Kiki. They are 82.

Suspect or someone? Suspect. Hey, let's wait for them to confirm that before we put that out anywhere else. All right.

So, they're heading to Zechariah Caresh's house and then the SBI, the Utah SBI kind of takes over at that point. Told in a phone call that FBI will come down and relieve us on this apartment so we can go hunt for a green armada. So, the FBI is going to relieve them. They're going to hunt for the green armada.

Oh, the green armada. The suspicious green armada. Where could the suspicious green armada be? Sorry to do this.

I do think we're looking for an armada, but we're not 100% looking for a guy wearing all black with a prosthetic arm. I'm trying to clarify this all, but um just stay what you're doing and keep your eyes out. And if that armada does pull in, uh deal with it safely. So, we may be ruling out Andrew Pascalo, the guy with one arm.

Not sure what happened, why they're ruling him out. We think we've ruled out Zechariah Careshi, but they are going to make contact. They're waiting for the FBI to show up, and they do have backup around the corner just in case, but they don't want to scare the kid by having, you know, 90 cars show up at his front door. So, let's go hunt for this green Armada.

Where's the green Armada? First, let's talk to Andrew Pascalo. I've got a note that was put in. I don't know if you guys are interested in looking at it with a call from Salt Lake City to match input at 1612 or you can call in that intel from Salt Lake.

felt like dispatch called in and they received a call from a mail that said the officers were looking for him and related that was in relation to the incident and the note the information is in the note that he did have a biotronic right arm that same individual that called Salt Lake also called us just a few minutes prior and said that he was there but didn't have anything to do with what happened. So Andrew Pascalo, the guy with one arm, he sees that all over the internet these guys are looking for him and everybody says he's suspicious and you know, I'm sure he's been looked at strangely his whole life with one arm. It's not something we as humans should do, but you know, it happens. It's been known to happen.

You see somebody with one arm, you give him a second look. So he's probably accustomed to it. He's probably particularly sensitive to it. So he calls he calls and says, "Hey, it's not me.

" But guess what? All of a sudden, we're back on this Keshi kid. 4 minutesI'm getting strange phone calls that maybe this guy's more connected, the one that we grabbed, than we are giving him credit for. So, we got to hold on there.

So, they're getting strange phone calls that maybe this Keshi kid is more connected than they first believe. So, they're going to now attempt to make contact. They'd ruled him out. They're in the process of ruling out Pascalo, but they are going to talk to him.

We still don't know who's in the Armada. Hey, a Nissan Armada just showed up. Well, now we do. A Nissan Armada just rolled up.

H how convenient. How convenient. We had a situation where somebody was going hospital to hospital. That's their words, not mine.

Looking for Charlie Kirk. It was enough to show up on the police radar. It was suspicious. They put a bolo out for the guy.

They take a picture of him. They discuss what kind 5 minutesof car he's driving. They think it's a Nissan Armada. And wouldn't you know, while they're sitting there, the Armada rolls up on them.

What are the odds? It's like Tyler Robinson turning himself in without being looked for. So, the Nissan Armada just shows who pray is in the Nissan Armada. We are dying to know.

We're waiting with baited breath. I have zero view now since they purchased. Yeah, I'm being told Armada is FBI. Oh, well, it's the FBI.

The It's the FBI. That's who's in the Armada. It's the FBI, guys. All right.

Yeah, we can just talk to them and see if they want us to hang around in case they need more bodies or if they're cutting us loose. That's all we need to know. Okay. Well, we'll just hang out now that the FBI showed up.

Someone thought they heard SBI. So, cars out the car. So, the guy in the armada was the FBI and the other short dark skin dark hairs with the marshals. So, it's the FBI and the Marshalss.

and they're driving a Nissan Armada. And when they are confronted at the hospital, instead of showing a badge and saying, "It's okay, guys. We're with the FBI. No, no harm, no hard feelings.

We're looking for Charlie Kirk. If he's not here, we'll check another hospital. I'm agent so special agent so- and so, agent. " I think they always inflate their titles.

Not all FBI people, but everyone. There's no such thing as a janitor anymore. They're like a a maintenance specialist. You're a sanitary engineer.

You're no longer just an agent with the FBI. You're like super secret double special sauce agent FBI, but you got FBI people and and marshals showing up. Well, this is weird. This is weird.

Um, might we institute some assuming the people at the FBI were acting in the line and scope of their employment, might we institute some additional training for these people so that when they're asked what's going on here, they don't flee. They just confidently explain who they are and explain the situation and then we don't have a 4-hour manhunt for them. Then we don't have a a 4hour manhunt looking for the FBI. Okay.

So, it's not FBI. No, I'm He said FBI. Yeah, they're clarifying FBI. Federal Bureau of Investigation, not State Bureau of Investigation.

Let's back up here to um confirmation the one-armed individual is not involved. All right, everybody. Official confirmation is the one-armed individual is not involved. So, we will not be pursuing that.

Is the Armada still in play or does that rule the Armada out as well? Yeah, that rules out too. Okay, guys. We're going to still hold this apartment till we know we've passed it off to the FBI and I'll start working on that, but everything else we can cancel on for now.

The green armada and the one-armed bandit, we aren't going to go chasing. I'll do uh while we're doing training with the the dispatch and the FBI, let's let's not call our non-suspects the uh the one-armed bandit, shall we? Let's just call them uh you know, uni-handed individual or something. Let's let's let's let's have some respect.

Have some respect. You agree with me as well? FBI is here. They have taken over.

They have the keys to the apartment and the keys to the car. 9 minutesSo that's the last time we hear about Zechariah Koreshi. We don't hear about Zechariah Zechariah Keshi again. And we just have one more small piece here that kind of finishes off the radio interest uh and helps us clarify for the rest of the evening.

Carl's house from his house in Salt Lake. We're good. So what's the plan now? Or are we just going to head back south or Hey, Kiki, can you do me a favor?

Yeah. I got to put out a message real fast, but can you go and make contact with those guys at that house and let them know that we're going to clear and I'm gonna back up just a hair. I think I missed the beginning of that clip. Maybe I'll start just a second or two before it.

He got confirmation from FBI. We are good to break from the AR's house, from his house in Salt Lake. We're good. Okay.

So, they're they're leaving the house. Careshi's done. The Scaldo's done. The Green Armada is done.

We're right where we started. We have no leads on anybody. There's nothing we know that we didn't know before. That whole that whole series though was so confusing that everybody conflated everybody else.

At one point they had Pascalo in the green armada. At one point they had Ze Zechariah Careshi in tactical gear going hospital to hospital looking for Charlie Kirk. Now do we rule out Zechariah Careshi for playing any role whatsoever in this event? I don't think you do.

Actually, uh he clearly said something on his Facebook that drew somebody's attention. He took the time to delete them. He obviously felt they looked bad and he was frankly standing next to somebody two somebody's in maroon shirts and I and and sorry that matters in this case the the influx of pe you know what I did over the weekend I don't work on Saturdays but I do have fun on Saturday part of my fun was looking over old Charlie Kirk event footage to count the number of people in maroon shirts Would it shock you to believe there are almost none ever? You can scan.

You can look at pictures. You can look at the pictures he's debating. You can look at the the video footage out of the crowd. You can look at steel footage from out of the c.

There's almost never anyone in a maroon shirt. Why? Not a lot of men wear maroon shirts. I actually was shopping yesterday and I found a maroon t-shirt and I almost bought it because I don't know that I've ever seen one in the wild.

I don't know that I've ever come across a maroon t-shirt, but I almost bought it. I almost bought it if for no other reason then kind of like a keepsake. Maybe wear it on a member show or something. Just show up.

Don't say a word about it and throw on a maroon t-shirt. Just start talking. " You know, we love to wear the maroon t-shirt to the political events. Apparently, it's very popular in Utah.

Not popular anywhere else. I'm telling you, just check it out. D Check my work. Check my work.

I almost put the pictures on X, but then I thought, no, then people will think I'm working. I don't want people to think I'm working because I wasn't working. I was just having fun. Just having fun.

Chapter 6: Everyone Uses (and Abuses) Flock Cameras Except Tyler Robinson Prosecutors This article, people, police, excuse me, keep losing their jobs for using flock cameras to stalk people. Advocates say it's too easy to abuse automated light uh plate reader technology. I saw this article and I thought, "What in the world? " Because flock cameras play a role in this case.

In fact, we just watched a preliminary hearing where absolutely no flock camera footage was shown. There would no no data was discussed. Over the weekend, I got a call from a friend of mine who lives in the same town I do, same small town I do, and he said, "You know, there are flot cameras all over the place, every avenue in and out of town and all through the town. You cannot move in this town without being picked up by flock cameras.

If you're on the run, not on the run, if you're out running errands, the flock cameras are picking you up left and right. And then I saw this headline. I thought, well, what the hell's going on here with the police? Flock cameras, solar powered automated license plate readers weighing less than three lbs and designed to be unobtrusive, can be found on 80,000 street corners throughout the country.

3 billion business empowering empowering officers to track people's movements. Well, wouldn't that have been convenient in this case? We wouldn't have had to look at Miss Noble's blurry underwater looking nest camera footage. We could have just pulled up a flock camera and said, "Here's where we saw Tyler Robinson last.

This is his license plate. This was his car moving. Here's a picture of it. " We got none of that.

Nationwide, flock cameras log billions of license plates each month. And now, dozens of reports are emerging of police using the cameras not to solve crimes, but to stalk their partners and exes. Over a two-month period in 2025, Milwaukee police officer Ayala searched the license plate number of someone he was dating over 200 times, according to court documents. He also searched for his partner's ex.

That's kind of psychotic, if we're being honest. Another Milwaukee officer, Tanji Chapman, was assigned to investigate Ayala's case. Ayala was charged with misconduct, resigned and was sentenced to one years probation, as he should have been. That's abusing the technology.

Then this week, Chapman 2 was charged. The guy who was investigating the guy who was abusing Flock cameras was charged with abusing flot cameras. He was charged with misuse of GPS information while investigating Ayala for abusing flock cameras. He allegedly was engaged in the exact same misconduct using the technology to track people in his own life.

Is that why we don't have any flock camera footage of Tyler Robinson? Was everybody in Utah doing the same thing? Stalking their exes, stalking their girlfriends? They were too busy stalking all these people to say, you know, we have a murder suspect.

We ought to see where he's been. He drove to get here and four hours home. Surely there's flock uh uh data all over Utah of this guy. All up and down the interstate, whatever the interstate number did, I think 15 maybe something like that.

All up and down Interstate 15. All over Orum, all over St. George, all over. He should be everywhere.

It would have been pretty open and shut case if you be on if you're being honest. If you're trying to prove probable cause, we can use the testimony of a guy who thinks he's a cat, Lance Twigs. We can use Catboy or we could use flock cameras. Isn't that what they're supposed to be for?

Isn't that why we have them? To track crimes? Wouldn't that be the ideal scenario in which to use them? Not because some sergeant's trying to get his rocks off wondering where his girlfriend is during the day while he's on shift, but to actually track suspected murderers, see who committed the crime.

But that's not how they get used. Apparently, that's not how they get used. Either that or there is no flocked. In fact, if they go to trial and don't introduce flock footage, I think by now they're so ubiquitous.

And affirmative defense just might be, they don't even have me on flock. That couldn't have been me. m. m.

m. m. Ladies and gentlemen, you can just track that timeline and it takes him right to ORM, Utah. And he pulls in right at 8:30 when we told you he was in the parking garage.

And then we watch him drive down and get a ribeye. And then we watch him drive right back up to Orum to check on the old weapon. Granddaddy's 306. Here we have him looping around campus.

I mean, my goodness, people, I think it becoming an affirmative defense. If I'm the defense lawyer, I'm raising it. I'm making the judge tell me I can't. I'm going to look at the the exhibit list and if they don't have any flock camera, I'm using that in my opening.

You know what you're not going to hear, ladies and gentlemen? You're not going to see flock footage. You're not going to see any. Why?

Because he wasn't there. You're going to see grainy underwater footage that may or may not be Bigfoot or space aliens. But you're not going to see flock footage that would put my client clearly at the scene. That's what I would do.

And I would draw an objection and then make the judge tell me I can't say it. But we'll see. You never know. You never know.

Um all right. Uh where was I? Oh. Oh yeah.

Lest you think there is no flock footage in Oram, Utah. Check this out. Check this out. It's rendering a map.

Ladies and gentlemen, hold. Please look at the number of flock cameras you would have to drive past in order to commit a crime in Oram, Utah. Just in this little view, we have 121, 117 of them. We come down here all up and down the highway.

There's 64 in this view. All up and down the highway. Here's the campus right here. We have two right here.

That flock camera right there should have picked up uh the uh uh or no is that one? Yeah, that one right there should have picked up the uh the chain gang taking Charlie Kirk to the hospital. But look, we got them all up and down the highway. All I mean, you you can't get away from flock cameras.

Look at this. They got so many up here it's turned orange. But all up and I don't know how I made that threedimensional. Yeah, there we go.

All up and down the highway. We've got them. Yeah. Oh man.

Not going to get through here without getting caught. Flock boy. Uh-uh. You toasted going through there.

That's right. Oh, Panguage. Penguin. Uh, yep.

Got hit going to Panguage. Look at this. Just to get out of St. 20 minutesGeorge and get up there, you're going to get hit with fly camera.

So, I expect to see some flock camera footage. I expect to see Tyler Robinson 10 and two driving down the road. Well, maybe two and nothing because he's texting his plans to his lover. I don't know.

We'll see. Uh, let me show you real quickly. Changing gears ever so slightly. ) in the Early Hours the Day After Charle Kirk Passed Away Liar Who Lies?

Is Andrew Kovette telling us his phone broke? I had so many text messages in the immediate aftermath after Charlie Kirk pass my phone broke. You guys remember that? We didn't believe him.

We still don't. I don't believe anything he says from this point forward. I've caught him in too many lies. But you remember that, right?

Andrew Kovette, first phone ever to break from excessive texting. The you know the phones that are designed to text, that's what they're designed to do. Apple does decades of RN 21 minutesuh re R R&D in order to create a battleh hardened text capable phone but Andrew F get so many text dog gone phone broke it it it it reminds you of the old um it reminds you of the old uh uh joke about oh no officer I don't have any guns I I lost them all in a boating accident. Yeah, dog gone it.

They're at the bottom of the ocean. Sorry, officer. You're more than welcome to go look at about 30 mi off the coast of Galveastston. We were doing some deep sea fishing.

Well, we have him on camera the next morning. And guess what he has? You see that? That's a phone.

That's a phone. That's the next morning. We've got Tyler Ber. We've got Andrew Kovette.

We've got a very healthy looking Steve Bannon. Whose phone are you on? I thought your phone broke, dog. Thought your phone broke.

Uh, so we have That was 8:00 in the morning. What time does the Verizon store open? Your phone broke. What time did the store open so that you could go get a new phone?

m. m. But guess what? Not not uh uh uh it's not sufficient for Andrew Kovette, who we believe is in Salt Lake at this time with everybody else to wake up at 8:00 in the morning, Utah time, and do a Steve Bannon hit.

No, not not not done with that. We actually have him on the Benny Johnson show an hour later. There's Andrew Kovette doing the Benny Johnson show. No word on whether his phone broke during that time.

So we have you at 8. We have you at 9 and then we have him at after 11:00. Oh gosh. What's the What's the time stamp?

Uh . Uh is it ? Yeah. Now we have him on the Jack Posobic show.

Believe it or not, we have him on the Jack Pobic show. Human Events. This is at a little after . We didn't know at the time Jack Basobic would turn out to be such a dishonest character either talking about 4K HD footage, but and you know, go mourn.

You're allowed to take the morning off after your boss dies. You you can take the morning off. And if you're not going to take the morning off and you're going to later tell us your phone died because you don't want to anyone looking at your phone, you don't have to have your phone on the table in front of you while you're with a very healthy looking Steve Bannon. You can you can you can you can hide your phone.

You can put it in your pocket. But we're talking 8 9 10 in the morning here. We're not even after Charlie Kirk was removed from this earth. Andrew likes to say he's Charlie's best friend or was Charlie's best friend or one of his best friends.

Well, if my best friend and boss gets taken down, I'm probably not doing three TV hits or podcast hits or whatever it is in hours 18, 19, and 20 after the event. That's probably, you know, it's it's a little unbecoming if we're being honest. It's a little it's a little suspect. And then if I'm going to tell everybody I lost my phone, I'm probably not going to have my phone out on the table.

I would be lying if I said I put any stock at this point in anything these guys said. I don't. Chapter 8: The Damage Lying Does to Everything They Say about Anything I don't. I was hard on Andrew when we opened, but I was hard on him because I was so disgusted with being lied to so blatantly.

And if I if if I was lied to instead of instead not by Andrew, but by the three sources who independently all three said using almost identical language, frankly, that that Erica wasn't with her kids, that her kids were somewhere else. Again, I don't know where they were, but I know all three of them said they were not in Utah, with her, and they didn't go to DC either. If if all three of them lied to me, well then I'm upset with them. I don't think they did.

I don't think they did. 26 minutesThis pattern of dishonesty, in my opinion, is evidence of guilt. Because the number one piece of advice I would give TPUSA at this point is you have to be clean about everything. You cannot be caught being dishonest at any point going forward.

If someone asks you a question, just answer. Someone asked me a question on Twitter the other day. Viva, I don't even know how to pronounce his name. Frey Fry.

I hear a different way. I'll be honest. I don't follow the guy, but he asked a question. " I said, "I don't even know his real name.

Don't care. Don't care. Never met him. Talk to him.

" But no, absolutely not splitting revenue. Have no agreement whatsoever. There's no coordination. It's just he does a story.

If I like it, I hit retweet. If I don't, I ignore it. Or if I don't see it, I ignore it. " You asked me a direct question, I give you a direct answer.

Uh TPSA should try that. They should try that. It would behoove them to develop a a culture of honesty because like Richard Nixon, sometimes the the real problem isn't the crime itself. The crime itself is a problem, but it's the cover up is where everybody goes down.

Cover up. And cover-ups are often clouded in this in this uh uh environment of dishonesty. That's that's that's usually the evidence that something's being covered up. Something bad has happened.

And then there's this dishonesty. You come home and the lamp is broken. Oh, I really liked that lamp. That was an expensive lamp.

We've had that lamp for 20 years. You know, your mother and I got that lamp as a an anniversary present. A nice lamp. It's a lamp we'd had our eyes on, but at the time we couldn't afford it, and someone took pity on us and bought us this lamp.

It was several hundred and we've carried it around from house to house that we've lived in because it's a sentimental piece. Who broke the lamp? Well, the second you catch someone in a lie, who do you think broke the lamp? The person who's lying.

If one guy says, if one of your kids says, "I wasn't here. " And you look and he was. Oh, must not have been him. The other person says, "Well, I wasn't here.

" Okay. " I hadn't seen your kid in a week. You haven't seen my kid in a week? Yeah.

No. Is it possible my kid could have been there playing pickle ball without your knowledge? No. Uh-uh.

Because my kid's at camp this week. You wouldn't be playing pickle ball alone in the backyard. Oh, which one of them do you think broke the lamp? The one who was honest to you about where they were or the one who lied?

" There's something so soothing about a mo about a motor in the background. And that little that hum of gasping uh of grasp being mowed like six yards down. Something very soothing about that. I've always loved that sound.

m. next door. They don't do that. But at 11:00 in the morning, a few doors down and you've got the windows up and it's just a beautiful.

It's just like it takes you back to my it takes me back to my childhood when things were simple and I didn't have anywhere to be and I didn't you know summer just meant just exist for a couple of months. Such a soothing sound. Well, that kid doesn't really have an alibi. But guess what?

They didn't lie to you either. You caught one of the kids in a lie. So you got to assume that's the kid that broke the lamp. And that's how I feel with Andrew.

It's unfortunate, but that's how I feel with Andrew. He's been caught in a lie so many times. He's been caught with his stories that don't check out. He's been caught feeding alibis through discredited or low-budget people who who are known hacks.

If you want to get an alibi out, just put it on your dad timeline or text it to someone. Like if Candace is asking for an alibi, text her the alibi. Don't get it out through someone no one's ever heard of, some rando named Gary from West Virginia or someone named House in Habit from wherever the heck House in Habit lives. No one's ever heard of these people.

How do we know they're not just making it up? How do we know we can put any faith or any stock in it? We don't. We have no idea.

If you're going to put words in a surgeon's mouth, you better make sure the surgeon isn't going to call and discredit you. You better make sure the surgeon is not going to call people. I didn't have that conversation with him. I had that conversation with her.

But if you're going to if you're going to lie about something, make sure we can't find out the truth. Make sure every single person who works at the TPUSA headquarters is a friendly. Make sure they're not going to sell you out. Make sure every single person who is on the ground with you in Utah is a friendly.

And they're not going to sell you out because they did. Because they did. I hate to be the one to break it to you, but they did. Cuz the reality is they don't like you guys.

They don't. They lie to you and tell you they like you. They lie to you and tell you that. They don't.

And they think you guys had something to do with this. It's why they're talking. Now, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying anybody I'm not saying anyone in particular had something to do with it.

I'm just saying that's the message I'm getting from the people closest to you guys. They don't trust you people. And the number one reason I'm told they don't trust you is they've caught you in more lies than I have. They they read what you write online and they say, "Well, that's not true.

And if they'll lie so easily. " We don't lie. Well, Charlie's not here anymore. But you still shouldn't lie.

Still shouldn't lie. " I'll give you an I'll give you an out. I do apologize, ladies and gentlemen. It's come to my attention.

People assumed I was talking about her kids. I She was not with her. She was with her family. She with Charlie's parents, who she very much considers still family, is still family.

The parents of her grandchildren. She was with her dear sister, her nieces and nephews who she loves. I never intended to insinuate she was with her children. And to the extent someone misunderstood what I said, I apologize.

It won't happen again. I'll try to be more precise in my language going forward. I realize there's a lot of attention on this case. And poor communication could make it look like I'm being dishonest and I'm not.

So, I apologize. Just wanted to clarify that. If you have any questions, let me know. I would accept that.

But what I won't accept is you continuing to leave these dishonest statements up or at least statements that you know now are leading people to believe things that aren't true. And they're going around calling me a liar and telling me I have my story wrong when I don't. Very much right on this. I think at least I have three reasons to believe I'm right.

Two of whom are very close to you guys. I don't know if I'd say on the payroll in this. I don't know. You guys, everyone's a contractor.

I have no idea who's on. I would assume the chief operating officer would be on the payroll, but I would have been wrong. I would have assumed the PR guy would be on the payroll, but I would have been wrong. I would assume Blake Snf, who's traveling with Charlie and prepping him for the debate, that he would be on the payroll.

But I would be wrong. 35 minutesApparently, he works for some radio company and someone else works for some independent. You have your own media company, Andrew. It's a weird arrangement if we're being honest, but whatever.

Whatever. And come back to this, too. I think you should let people know where she was this weekend, what she was doing, who she was talking to, and why. Because it reeks of desperation.

Reeks of desperation. not just to me. Uh, if you've liked it, hit the like button. com.

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Erika Kirk Calls Me "That B*tch”. More Exclusive Photos From Charlie's SUV. | Ep 363
Candace Owens
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Daily Mail drops an article claiming Erika Kirk called me "that b*tch", we have more never before seen photos of the SUV Charlie was transported to the hospital in, and Turning Point is equating what they call "conspiracy theories" about Charlie's death with Sandy Hook victimization.



Transcript

Chapter 1: Start.
All right, you guys. Happy Tuesday. So, rather unexpectedly yesterday, I was informed by a Daily Mail reporter who
was seeking comment that Erica Kirk was about to go on the attack against me in the press. The article did drop yesterday evening, and it is quite
shocking. Erica, according to a family friend, refers to me as that that
bee in the privacy, I guess, of her own comfort of her home and at the office. I actually quite appreciated the article.
Uh, and I'm going to tell you why that is. But first, we have two more neverbeforeseen photos of the SUV that
Charlie was transported to the hospital in. And there's another interesting object that might complicate or perhaps further clarify matters of what happened.
Also, if you are paying attention, Turning Point is attempting to shift the public discussion in a very dangerous
way. They keep equating what they term to be conspiracy theories about Charlie's death, what they mean is
people asking questions, with Sandy Hook victims. They're calling this like Sandy Hook victimization. They are signaling
again if you are paying attention that they want people or maybe just one particular person to be bankrupted for
asking meaning meaningful questions about their founders's death. So we should discuss that. It's very important. Welcome back to Candace.
Chapter 2: New photos from inside the SUV.
Where to begin? Well, let's begin with that car ride to the hospital. That increasingly complicated approximately 7
minute ride to the hospital. Approximate seven minutes, right? As usual, I would like to simply have answers provided.
Look, I I don't want to be the person that's constantly on a hunt for basic answers. That's not a good use of my time. That's my most precious resource,
by the way. Time. I don't want to be working on side quests like helping Blakey Nef remember what he was doing in
Salt Lake City that morning, who he was with. I don't want to waste my time having to referee fights between Frank Churik and Frank Turk. I'd rather not do
that. I'd rather we all just sit down for an open and public forum where every question is asked and the public gets to consume that and everyone can feel
better and end this quest. But of course, from the very beginning, as we have all seen, Turning Point USA employees and Charlie Kirk show
employees have just been stonewalling us, right? It's been the opposite of helpful. Uh they have not been forthcoming about anything. They're
growing increasingly accusatory. They just want us to honor Charlie by
honoring the widow with our cold hard cash. That is what the messaging has felt like. I cannot do that. In fact, I have failed at obeying that mandate.
Rather, from the very beginning of this thing, I have been gathering information and evidence which I thought initially and many would think that Turning Point
USA would be grateful for that that's what they'd be using their resources for. If you're going to overwork people at Turning Point USA and tell your
employees to get to the office, why not just gather every piece of information you can about that day? I'd prefer that over a t-shirt and a tent.
Anyway, we continue. We persist. And today, we do so with two more never
before seen photos of the SUV that transported Charlie to the hospital. And I'm going to show you the first. Here it is.
So this is to be clear the back seat door left side driver side and it is
4 minuteswhat is shoved into that little pocket there that has caught our eye. What is in that door compartment? Let's zoom in.
Well, now we cannot definitively state what it is. What I can tell you is that across the board in my our little orbit at home
independent double blind study if you will, everyone immediately saw a glove, myself included. Take that for what it's
worth. I mean, I went up to my husband, zoomed in, gave him no context as usual.
I said, "What do you see, honey?" And he said, "A leather glove." Someone else said, "Nitro gloves." Uh, I sent it to Baron Coleman. He said, "Gloves." The
material of the glove has varied, but no one has offered anything else in terms of what they see. And so I can we just
decided to grab some gloves, right? We from our one leather, one nitro and took a look at that. When I say nitro gloves,
think like chef gloves um that you see them wearing. That's a that's a nitro glove that's kind of made from a synthetic rubber. So, we decided to take
our little uh experiment further because I was then going that looks like the ent like it's just folded on itself. That looks like it's the entry to the glove.
Someone just took off their gloves and threw it in there. We decided to do some science here. We can recreate it. I have nitro gloves. So, we decided to then
just drop some in a car door for comparison. And here is what we came up with.
There you go. That is in our door. We'll show you again. That is in our door.
We'll show you again. That's our door nitro gloves. And again, our door nitro gloves. I think we can do a side by
side. Did we do a side by side for comparison? Um, and in order to get that image, just to be clear, we had to wear
the glove, have uh somebody wear the glove, take off the glove like this. So that top that you're seeing is technically inside out, right? and then
just thrown into the side like so. We didn't have the exact same car obviously that's a smaller compartment. Ours is wider.
I think it looks like it's a glove.
Which of course leads us to the next question. Why would there be a glove, any kind of glove for that matter, um,
put into the side of the car there? It's a good question, right? And again, I'd like to note that this glove is located inside of the left side rear doors where
where Rick Cutler was seated. And you should also note that in general, the door, if we can take that wide shot again, it's relatively clean, right?
This is a relatively clean door. So I don't think this particular side of the door
any I should say any blood soaked men who needed to be changed um into surgeon uh scrubs exited through this door. I
think that's that that would be a fair guess by looking at this. And again, this is in the immediate aftermath. This is not after the car is cleaned up. And
you'll I can make that apparent in the in the next picture. Anyway, um the only place that we could see blood on this door was just there at the handle. So, we're zooming in so you can see that.
I'm not sure how gloves, nitro gloves would fit into the story. We were not going to say those are Brian Harples.
Obviously, his hands were already bloodied. Is he going to jump in and then put on gloves? That seemed that that makes entirely no sense. Why would you do that?
Why would you then put on nitro gloves and then hand them over to be put onto the opposite side of where you were sitting? That doesn't make any sense
that he would have on gloves in my opinion.
Um, outside of keeping your fingerprints off of something,
8 minuteswho would put on gloves if those are gloves? You know what I was thinking? I was thinking, where are those scissors that Brian Harpull used to cut Charlie's shirt? Did the fed seize those scissors?
He cut. He said he cut the shirt. Whose scissors did he use? Were the hospital scissors? That's a question I guess I could ask in court. Where are those scissors? Did Brian Harpo cut the shirt?
Did somebody else cut the shirt in the car? Cuz that was a that was one of a People thought that could have been a shirt in that back seat on the side,
which Ryan, you know, that would have been Rick Cutler's side in the back seat. Did somebody else cut his shirt? I don't know.
Everything remains plausible when people are telling I'm sorry, how did Frank Cherk term it? Not contradicting
stories. They're just having different memories of the same event, which is normal. When people are having different
memories of the same event, everything remains plausible.
Here is a second never-before-seen photo. And it's another shot of that mysterious object that many people,
surgeons included, have identified as a burned shirt. Again, we can't say that definitively, but I'll tell you what I like about this photo before we get close to it. Maybe it is a burned shirt.
Maybe it's not a burned shirt. Um, I don't I don't know. Just like I don't know why the feds would want this car immediately released, towed, cleaned up,
and resold so fast. None of that makes any sense to me. Why wasn't the car impounded for evidence? Anyhow, this
second photo is actually very clear and allows us to zoom in on that item. Um, and you can see we're back. The mints
are back there and you can just get a clearer picture of that item that is in that back seat, which some people believe to be the remnants of a shirt.
Some people are messaging us and saying, "Candice, that's very clearly the letters on the freedom shirt." Well, have at it. Another shot.
Um, I don't know what to think, but I I do believe that uh since no one has been convicted of this crime, it is our right
uh to continue to investigate it and to assist hopefully the prosecution and the defense.
Truth. it. I just want to assist whoever actually wants the truth with evidence that I don't think the public was ever
meant to see. Maybe they were maybe throughout the court court case this stuff was going to come out.
Chapter 3: Questions about the ride to the hospital.
I have to say there is a lot that is now growing increasingly curious about that day, that ride to the hospital, other rides to the hospital. For example,
recently on his show, Baron Coleman pulled a clip of Blake Nef arriving to the hospital with Danny Phillip. That's Charlie's uh second assistant, third assistant, Mikey McCoy, and Nate Walker.
We're going to get to that clip in a moment, but it made me revisit Mikey McCoy's call logs. Like I said, we're at this stage in the investigation now where it's good to pause and reflect and
go back and remember the things that we were told, things that we found out. And initially when I sat down with Erica, I did not know who Danny Phillip was. How could I have known? He was new, right?
New as in started working full-time in May after he graduated out of school. I think I did meet him in a long time ago when he was uh working for the Ohio
State chapter with the Ohio State chapter, but I didn't know he was working with Turning Point USA full-time. And I made an assumption that
Danny Phillip was someone that Mikey was making calls to back in Arizona after the assassination. So, I was like, "Oh,
wait. Actually, that's kind of weird to know a little bit, not maybe weird, but that changes things certainly to know that Danny Phillip and Mikey were both
at the event together." So, just to jog your memory and hopefully to jog Blake Nef's memory, Danny Phillip, Charlie's new assistant, showed up to the event
with Blake Nef in an SUV. So, two SUVs were rented by Mikey McCoy in Salt Lake City. And Blake Nef and Danny got into
one SUV. They don't remember, or Blake Nef, I shouldn't speak for Danny. Blake Nef doesn't remember where they went in Salt Lake City. Charlie went to the restaurant event. Um, he had Mikey McCoy
and Nate Walker with him. And then they all went to Provo uh for this event.
Now, I believe that Danny was driving the SUV. I feel like I saw that somewhere. I did not fact check that myself, but Danny and Blake Nef were in
that second SUV together. I don't know if there were other people there. What we do know is that Danny and Blake were standing on opposite sides of the tent
when the sound of the explosive rang out. Danny Phillip was standing next to Butch Hibbs. So, that's on Charlie's
right side. You can see him there um next to Butch Hibs and Blake was as we all know standing next to Mikey McCoy on
Charlie's left side. Now after that sound rang out uh Blake is the first to gallop away as one would expect. He sort
of prances forward. Mikey, as we know, immediately presses his phone to his ear and walks away and calls his wife
Elizabeth. Never mind that for weeks following the assassination. Everyone lies about that. They tell us repeatedly
that he immediately called Erica as he was trained to do by Charlie. Everyone he was trained. He did exactly what he was supposed to immediately called Erica. Erica even in the New York Times
interview that she gave 8 days later said that at 11:23 um obviously adjusting for time 12:23 I
guess uh in uh local time Utah 11:23 her time she was looking at her phone and within seconds Mikey called her. Um then
we found out months later that actually no Mikey called his own wife first and Erica was added to that phone call three minutes later. So, we're going to take a
look at those phone calls as I run you further through the timeline. This is Mikey McCoy's call logs.
So, just after Charlie is hit at , Blake and Mikey are back together and
they're speaking and coordinating. We know this because Blake, who now suffers from various bouts of amnesia,
at one point remembered that part very clearly. Take a listen.
I was not with Mikey immed or I don't remember being with him. I think I was ahead of him as we left and then we get out and I run for must have can't have
been more than 15 or . And then I realize there hasn't been another shot. So the shooter has likely been detained or stopped or something. Not in
immediate danger. I pause. I look around me and I see Mikey. And I see Mikey there. And I'll never, truthfully, I will never forget what I saw because
I've seen Mikey almost every day for the past two years. Uh, I know his personality very well. He's a very bubbly guy. He's a very happy guy almost
all of the time. And I'll never forget what I saw because it was clear in the moment that he was
15 minutesprofoundly freaked out. What I'll always remember is the way his his lip was quivering, which I'd never seen before.
And you you very rarely see from someone that he was freaking out. And then I think he literally said to me, I I might be imagining this, but I think what he
literally said was he's and then he was looking around and then he says, "I I need to call Erica." And he then he
takes his phone and he begins calling Erica.
And I don't want to disclose how that call unfolded, but he did that this, you know, your mind extends all of this, but
that is happening within a minute of all of this occurring. I remember he calls Erica. I around the same time I pull out
my phone and I call my mom just to say, "Mom, there's been a shooting. You're going to see it on the news. I'm okay.
You know, pray for me. I've got to go." And I remember that call. And around the time I I put that phone away and then he immediately calls his dad. He calls
Robin McCoy and he says, "Dad, someone shot Charlie. You need to call all of your pastor friends. Charlie was hit. We
16 minutesneed everyone to pray right now." And that's what he told him.
Okay. So, yeah, he just forgot the part where he was already on the phone with his wife. Mikey's discussion with Erica, we know, lasted less than two minutes.
The fact that has always kind of bothered me. I would have questions perhaps, but you know, who is to judge that immediate trauma of getting that
news? We do know that she's going to say I effing knew it, right? That's what she tells I believe Jesse Waters. That's certainly what she told the New York
Times. She knew it. But I digress because the big thing that I wanted to point out is this phone call with um
Danny Phillip who was presumably with them. Why on earth did Danny and Mikey jump on the phone for a full
in the middle of this chaos? So let's pull that back up. Let's pull that timeline, please.
So he's right. He calls Rob and merges that call. They're on all these three-way calls and then he ends his phone call with Rob McCoy. ends his
phone call with Elizabeth McCoy. That gives us a total of like he's on the phone with his wife for , 10
minutes. And then Danny calls Mikey and they stay on the phone for .
They're together. Blake Nefrode with Danny. That's the only SUV that is left.
They all ran in the exact same direction.
This suddenly registers to me as an extraordinarily long phone call in the middle of this mayhem. a long phone
call. Um, a lot of things going on, a lot of people to speak to the person next to you.
Now, maybe maybe Justin Strife, we have a couple options here. Maybe Justin Strife and Eric lied to me and it wasn't Danny Phillip that he was on the phone with. I don't know. I don't I don't
think so. But I can't make sense of that phone call in the middle of everything when they're together. Danny, Blake, and Mikey all run in the same direction direction. They get into the same car.
Their cars are parked right next to one anothers. What are they conversing about for 10 full minutes? We do know that they then all arrive at the hospital
together around 1:00 p.m.ish. Blake says they arrived later. I'm going to forgive him that. I mean, you're estimating at that point. Um, and they
we know that it's actually about 1:00 p.m. because the local news caught a live feed of them walking into Temponogo's hospital. And this is what
Baron Coleman was covering because they don't seem to be shaken. They're all just kind of walking uh casually and we
can show you that new segment here. Take a listen.
We have a lot of news still to cover here. We want to show you live pictures which we've just gotten into the Fox 5 Atlanta newsroom out of Utah um where
we're continuing to follow developments surrounding the shooting of Republican activist Charlie Kirk who was on a
campus nearby talking to students as he frequently does. He is the leader of the Republican youth movement. President
Trump called him instrumental in getting him reelected as president. There was a shooting today and Charlie Kirk's
representatives confirming that he was shot and is being treated at this hospital. So, we're stay on top of developments there out of Utah. Uh, as
we continue, we're also going to speak to Senator John Oaf coming up here um in this hour. I spoke to the senator not
too long ago. He had some very interesting things to say. If you'll give me a moment. Uh, I'm just being handed information um from President
Trump regarding uh this shooting of Republican activist Charlie Kirk. Uh, we must all pray for Charlie Kirk who has
been shot. A great guy from top to bottom. God bless him in all caps. Uh, that from President Trump.
That is what allows us to date what time they walked into Temponogos because that tweet from Trump went out at 10:02 p.m.
and he gets interrupted. So you allow for some time for them for his producer to print it. He's doing live updates and they're like here this just went out and
you can see it says 202 because we're pulling this in our time zone. It was 10:02 p.m. that it went out local time. Again, I'm
always adjusting to Utah when I'm speaking about September 10th just to make things easier. So, um, yeah, that allows us to know what time they showed
up. And I'm being so genuine here in looking for answers. Maybe it was another conference call that they were
all conferencing. It seems that might make sense. A bunch of Turning Point employees decided to jump on a
conference call and coordinate and it was initiated by Danny Phillip somehow in the middle.
But it's something that I'm thinking about. That's a long phone call. uh a longer phone call than you had with both your wife and Erica. Um who I feel would
be wanting more details or wanting more answers. Um who knows?
Chapter 4: Erika calls me "that b*tch" in a Daily Mail piece.
A lot's happening right now. And I I was asking myself the question, what in particular transpired
while I was in Spain? Because it feels like a Zionist going out of business sale. You know what I mean? You know, when a store is going out of business
and things look and feel chaotic, bright signs that read, "Everything must go.
Buy one, get everything else free. Take it now. Doors are closing forever." That's kind of the only way I can describe this press cycle. Like,
management doesn't actually care because they're about to lose their jobs anyway.
No one is available on the floor to help you. Andrew Kovette is management. He's back of house calling his brother.
Reverend Johnny Moore is working corporate, dropping digital assassin articles aimed at me, blaming his
competitors. Ben Shapiro is on the phone receiving updates, but he's totally not involved, guys. Totally not. Just curious about why they're having a going
out of sale business. Blake Nef is the creepy window shopper. Just keeps walking by the windows. He can't remember why. Everything just feels like
it's it's going to hell in a hand basket.
So, after 10 months of the Christian Grift, the Ali Stuckies, the Dana Lashes, the Honor the Widow
presentations, Erica is apparently done playing the role. And I have told you since earlier this year that she's the one directing
the show from behind the scenes. She's nasty behind the scenes. She calls people's priests. That's extraordinarily. That's extraordinary. That's just something you should know.
She personally took credit for having Matt Walsh cancel his in-person appearance at the Catholic prayer event
for Catholic for Catholics just because I was attending. That's a fact. That's not my organization. He transformed what was supposed to be his appearance into a
video message instead because Erica was upset that I was going to be present.
23 minutesThis was not a political event. It was literally a prayer. I spoke very briefly uh about my conversion to the faith and
my initial hang-up about the blessed Mary and uh to be clear like I said Catholics for Catholics is not my
organization. She wanted to hurt another organization simply because I was going to be present a small organization when weighed against her her power her connection.
White House was making phone calls because she doesn't like me. She explicitly told people that it was, and
I quote, a woke Reich event. That's a term that I first heard come out of BBNet and Yahoo's mouth for clarity. I remember that. The woke Reich, we got to
come after. He had all the American influencers around him. It is not a term that Charlie Kirk ever used. So, it's
been difficult uh knowing that, then having to watch her publicly pretend that she doesn't get involved, that she doesn't play petty politics or know
what's happening. She's too busy working.
It was part and parcel of my assessment that she's a psychopath because that's that's really fake. She watches everything. She watches every moment.
She watches me and she has been directing the attacks against me since the beginning alongside Andrew Kovat who's now gone masked down before I was
even aware. Right. I presumed these people were allies and then I found out thanks to them firing a bunch of people that they were calling the shots. They
knew I was going to be a problem from the very beginning because I I'm not going to get in line with an absurd narrative. I need to know the truth about what happened to Charlie Kirk. Okay. Now, I want to also make it clear.
I have never done that. I've never engaged in that. I have never made personal phone calls and asked influencers to support me. I've never asked people to not attend any Turning
Point events. To the contrary, and dare I say, true to the philosophy which was held deeply by Charlie Kirk himself, I think people should go and debate these
people. If you have a disagreement, as Charlotte and I said repeatedly on many stages, you should be welcomed to the front of the line. But this is a brand
new organization since his passing. One that makes personal and public calls to my advertisers to be dropped. I mean, so
rich that they're like, "You're a comm you're a commie, Candace." They someone tweeted, I think their COO, this is Maria Marina Mina, tweeted that the
other day. going, you guys are literally responding to the free markets by saying the free markets need to be stopped and making private phone calls to advertisers.
This is an organization that now believes that words are violence, right?
That questioning Erica means that you are inviting people to murder her in utter nonsense. I will say it until I am blew in the face. I want no harm to come
not only to Erica Kirk, to anybody at Turning Point USA, not Andrew Kovet, not Blake Nef as we discuss these people. I'm comfortable with them discussing me.
Um, I want answers. I don't want anybody to be hurt.
I wish only for the absolute truth to surface about who really killed my friend Charlie Kirk and why. Again, that
should make us natural allies. For some reason, it does not.
But I have to say that I did genuinely appreciate the article which was dropped in the Daily Mail. It arrived as a breath of fresh air because this is we
get to see the real Erica. Here is the extraordinary headline. Erica hates Candace Owens. She thinks she's the ugliest person in the world. A soulless
ghoul. Charlie Kirk's family reveal widow's private tirades against the podcaster that she refers to as that bi.
Not going to curse here.
So, for clarity, a ghoul in Middle Eastern folklore is a demonic being that haunts burial grounds and deserted places. Traditionally, these creatures
were said to have the ability to shapeshift to lure travelers into the desert and to consume the flesh of both children and the dead.
It's a strong occult start to what is sure to be a promising article. It's kind of how we felt about the people surrounding Charlie.
soul suckers a little bit, right?
And for those of you that are wondering if the story is actually attributable, meaning like, is this just a gossip piece in the Daily Mail? You would do well to remember that Turning Point USA
turned to the Daily Mail exclusively to clean up their Charlie GPT Aspen mess.
They gave them special access to see the unedited clip that the public still has not seen so that their journalists could then turn and tell the world, "You can
trust the video totally exists. It's real. Charlie really did pick Erica to run the company in the event of his untimely death, which unfortunately just
so happened to transpire just three short weeks later. Remember that they went to the Daily Mail. So that demonstrates a real PR relationship between Turning Point USA and the Mail.
And as another point, the author of this piece reached out to Turning Point's spoke spokespeople for comment and they declined to give a comment. That is an
opportunity for them to issue a statement saying, "This is not true. We have no idea what you're talking about." out. Instead, they just declined to add to the article. So, we can assume this is real. And they list a family friend
as a source initially and then elsewhere in the article they say a family member.
At the beginning, it says a a family friend.
I think that's probably going to be a Tracy Martinesque character. Uh given the fact that she's the one person that I know that's close to Erica, is a
friend, and is also close to Erica's family, meaning namely Lori. Um she's actually the only person that I know. My guess would be Tracy Martin because
she's also been the driver behind other wacky pieces that US magazine one. But who knows? That's not the point. It doesn't really matter. We don't have to speculate as to who the family friend is. Let's just stick with the facts.
Okay. So, the piece opens up by letting us know that Erica has remarkable compassion for Tyler Robinson and his
family. I kid you not. It says, quote, "When Erica arrived in a tiny Utah courtroom earlier this m this month to face her husband's alleged killer, she
expected to be overcome with rage. It was the first time she had come face to face with Tyler Robinson, the man accused of assassinating Charlie Kirk at the speaking event at Utah Valley
29 minutesUniversity 10 months ago. And yet, in place of anger, Erica instead felt an overwhelming sense of sadness,
compassion even for 23-year-old Robinson and his family." According to two sources that are close to the Kirks, quote, "She was really concerned about
being in the same room as him. She didn't know what she was going to feel.
She said that a lot." One family friend exclusively told the Daily Mail she thought that she was really going to be angry and mad to really hate him, but she didn't. She just felt really sad.
Overwhelming sadness is what she called it. It made her grieve even more. She She didn't want to fight with him or his family. She said she almost felt
compassion for Tyler Robinson and definitely for his family because it's just so sad that two families were destroyed on that day.
So compassion for Tyler Robinson again, she felt it instantly in her uh in the aftermath. You could say she
demonstrated forgiveness im immediately at least. And now she's demonstrating it again in a courtroom with him. And by the way, I echo that sentiment because I
feel like the entire world knows that he didn't commit this crime. So, how kind of Erica to feel compassion for the person that they are considering
murdering, to be clear, for something that he didn't do. I haven't seen any convincing evidence that Tyler Robinson
committed this crime. So, compassion would be the right thing to feel. I want you to understand that, by the way,
these influencers are calling for the murder of an innocent man. We we should
deeply understand that. Okay? Tyler Robinson will receive the death penalt penalty if he is found guilty. So I
think I found your soul as ghouls, Erica. It's unimaginable to me to call for the execution of an innocent man
without literal overwhelming evidence after the public execution of another innocent man. When they say these
statements like case closed on the basis of one hearing where we are shown nothing close to concrete evidence or
when they pretend that they are being submerged, overwhelmed. That is precisely what they are doing. It is so evil. They are calling for the state to murder Tyler Robinson.
I want you to put that in your mind when you read it. They want Tyler Robinson to be murdered. Case closed. Murder Tyler Robinson. That's what they're saying.
Sick. It's really sick and it's truly evil. What would make you call for that?
It would It just It sickens me that so many people who I once respected are engaging in that guilty before innocent, right? Guilty before proven innocent.
Then of course after this compassion that she displays there was a dramatic shift in the article and she talks about quote unquote conspiracy theories after
um dealing detailing that compassion for the man that she herself said she was certain killed her husband. That's what
she said to Barry Weiss. Remember that she was wholly confident that this man killed her husband because she has access to the evidence.
Here is how she then flips and describes her feelings toward me. someone who is trying to find the true killer.
The article reads, quote, "That bridge is burned between Erica and Candace." "It's more than burned. It's been blown up. There's no reason for Erica to ever speak to Candace again, ever." The
family member said, "Candice decided to make this her identity. It's a grab for attention, building her name and her brand and making some money off of it.
That's what Erica thinks." Oh, brand being built. No, Erica, I had a name and
I had a brand before Charlie Kirk was assassinated. In fact, me and your husband built our names and our brands alongside each other and apart from each
other. The world didn't know your name until he died. You attempted to build your brand thereafter, and you made an
incalculable amount of money in the process. Do we all need a refresher on the things that she was willing to sell?
the photos, the bloody mic in front of donors, the taken in front of it, the bloodied temp tent, people taking selfies under it. It took just three
weeks after Charlie's assassination for Erica to file for three trademarks, granting her the right to his name on
t-shirts, tote bags, any and all clothing. Three trademarks. And those freedom shirts, which were sold
immediately, remember, everyone wanted a freedom shirt. They were actually very costly. Those were not sold through the charitable arm. Okay. Former employees
have confirmed to me that those profits profits went straight to Charlie Kirk Show LLC.
So that's for her personal profit. Once upon a time, Charlie told me Andrew Kovette owned a piece of that company, too. Andrew Kovett's personal profit for
Charlie. And of course, it wasn't for Charlie.
So, as a refresher, I already had a name. I already had a brand. I was already being sued by the president of France. I think I was actually known globally. What did I sell when Charlie
died? How many trademarks did I file? It is wild to me, okay, that this article goes on and states, quote, "Erica is
really offended that Candace would use her husband's death to make a buck to get attention, to get clout, whatever it
is. She's offended." That's her focus, guys. Once again, all Erica cares about is money and brand and merchandise.
That's what she's angry about. It's such an unbelievable thing for her to share, for someone to say that. She's upset.
She thinks Candace is making money. She just doesn't have enough of it.
Apparently, they can't make enough of the money off of Charlie's death. So, what she's concerned with is whether or not I'm making any additional money while I while I try to figure out who
killed her husband. So, let me make this perfectly clear again. Erica, please listen to me. When Charlie died, we had
already signed all of our advertising agreements through not just at the end of last year, 2025, but through to Q1 of this year. So, what that means, I don't
really think you're well versed in business, is that not a single additional advertiser was brought onto this platform and no existing advertisers had their rates raised.
Okay? We didn't make money in advertising. We sold zero products. You remember all of the influencers, they
raced to put his name, his face on cups, on t-shirts. We're going to share proceeds with Erica. We're going to do this. We all want to fight Charlie blah
blah blah. The same influencers who are now selling you the fed slop about how he died. We didn't engage any of that.
No, we were actually grieving. To the stark contrary, we sold nothing with Charlie's face. No memorabilia. Not a
single item was sold by us in the aftermath of his death. everyone racing to commemorate him by making money for themselves. And I would point out that
in our tribute episode to Charlie, our our biggest episode by views ever,
we sold um and consequentially read zero ads. Zero. None. Go back and watch it.
36 minutesIt's still up to my friend Charlie Kirk.
No ad reads, nothing sold for the public. Our show before Charlie died was already in the top 10 globally, sitting above the Charlie Kirk podcast.
And every single episode of our new podcast since we launched it back in 2024 has averaged well above a million
views. Go back and check that. So what is it, Erica, that you are actually upset about? Really ask yourself that question, okay? Because time and time
again, you keep reminding people that all you care about is money and brand and merchandising.
But I have to tell you, it is the way this article concludes that is just stunning to me. It continues, quote, Erica says she's not going to give that
woman an ounce of her energy. Kind of looks like I'm getting a lot of it right now, but sometimes she just can't help
herself, and she'll just sort of explode the tirade. She hates her Candace more than she hates her political opponents.
37 minutesWho are your political opponents, Erica?
Who are your political opponents? Who are you? Who are you? You're some beauty pageant wife who took over the reigns of
Charlie's company telling us a story that this just he he wanted it in the end but just couldn't put it in documents.
Who are you to think that you have political opponents?
It continues, "At least with them, she knew where she stood. They didn't exactly betray her like Candace did.
Candace did her so dirty. I think at this point Erica likes even Tyler Robinson more than she likes Candace.
End quote.
[snorts]
Yeah, Erica, that's that's what Truski and everybody who's been speaking about this has been getting at. That's why people think
there's something wrong with you because you meant this article to be a smackdown of me, but all it did was further reveal
your character. You have been on a wild pursuit of fame and fortune your entire life. You started doing pageantss, I
think we showed when you were like 12, okay, sixth grade maybe, and you have not stopped wanting to be in the spotlight. Every person you have dated
has has had some degree of fame. and you saw Charlie as your ticket to more fame and then you finally got it in your view
when you walked out in a white pants suit with sparklers behind you and you sucked all of that in. That was it. That was the moment we look back at those
photos of people at the memorial. I have never seen such glee and such happiness.
You clinkedked glasses. You guys then went to a restaurant. You celebrated finally Erica. finally for you.
After decades of trying, you had made it into the spotlight and everybody loved you. Brand merchandising shirts. You got
39 minuteson that Zoom call. The sales have been crazy. 50,000 shirts sold and kicked back into the LLC
that me and the Charlie Kirk show people own for Charlie. For Charlie.
And then it all came crashing down because maybe Charlie had an actual friend.
That's what's annoying me. I'm the renegade. I'm the one thing. He had an actual friend who wasn't content to sell
a t-shirt and move on and then sell some fed slop and move on because the price was right. That's what you're upset
about, Erica. Money and fame. There is no substance in this article because there is no substance in you. And that's
my opinion, not a call for you to get hurt, but me demonstrating that you have a character flaw that you are not even aware of.
We'll be right back after a brief break.

Chapter 5: Turning point equates me with Sandy Hook victimization.
So what is Turning Point USA Erica France planning now? They're very angry.
That is obvious. The influencers are angry because they are losing. And they are losing not because they didn't have enough money, not because they didn't
have enough people who were willing to sell their souls and make videos and try to hypnotize the public into believing
anything but their own eyes. Well, I noticed something. Three times I just said, "This is very weird." And suddenly, as soon as the Tyler Robinson
trial began, these same influencers who have been attacking me are all raising the matter of Sandy Hook. It's very
strange. I'll show you this. Seth Dylan, resident liar, Hampton's guy. He writes, "The main reason Alex Jones was held liable was not that he questioned an
official narrative. It was that he repeatedly and callously made false accusations about specific people. He claimed the Sandy Hook shooting was
staged, that the grieving parents were crisis actors, and that they were knowingly participating in fraud. His false claims made for clicks and fame
were damaging, severe understatement, and led to harassment and threats against grieving innocent people. So, his protected opinion defense failed.
The First Amendment protects the right to criticize events and to criticize official accounts, but does not provide blanket immunity for defamation. Oh, how
interesting. Seth Dylan from the Hamptons. This feels like a bit of foretelling to me. This is how these people operate. You always know what is
coming down the pipeline because they just start signaling.
Today, Tim P tweets, if you want to get amplified on YouTube and X, all you need to do is claim the official story of Charlie Kirk's assassination is a cover
up and there's a conspiracy. Why is social media amplifying this so much?
Why does big tech want this narrative to be front and center? I don't think they do. I think the majority of people believe this, Tim. He goes on, "Alex
Jones made claims about Sandy Hook and he was destroyed. His company was sold off to try to humiliate him. What is the difference here? You can claim one story
is true, but the other results in your company's total annihilation. YouTube has rules around conspiracy, specifically they restrict conspiracy
claims and amplify what they call authoritative news sources. Why is YouTube boosting these videos in the algorithm? Why does the machine want
this narrative so badly? Contrast this with CO, you'd get demonetized instantly if you talked about CO in the early days. We couldn't even read news reports
about uh out of China that discussed the basics. He's basically saying state, where are you? Where are you state? What
is the state going to do about the fact that people are using their common sense? So now we are going to tie it to children being murdered in Connecticut.
And he wasn't the only one. Again, this is all happening. Tyler Robinson trial. They're all talking about Sandy Hook.
Blake Nef was on a Twitter space and he similar similarly and specifically compared me to Alex Jones and Sandy
Hook. This is a talking point that is being distributed and it's a dangerous one. Take a listen to what he had to say.
Nothing compares remotely to the fact that Candace Owens has spent a sustained 10 months making effectively every
episode of her show finding some new way to target Erica, target turning point,
target other people who are in the Turning Point universe, target random family members of theirs has happened at times for 10 months in pursuit of a
conspiracy theory that has literally never had anything to back it up. Like it it is it inspires comment and notice
because there really is essentially nothing like it that I can recall in my lifetime. Like even even as a comparison, even the stuff with the
Sandy Hook parents, that was the stuff a few people ran with. And I I just don't think it ever like Alex Jones got sued for it. I don't think Alex Jones made
that the only subject of the show for a 10-month period. Uh and that's what's happened here. I I just have never seen anything like it in my life.
Again, they are priming the public to see that this is just like Sandy Hook.
This is no different. I've never se It's actually almost worse than what Alex Jones did because he didn't go on for 10 months. You know what, Blake? I don't
think Alex Jones lost a child at Sandy Hook. He probably would have gone harder in the paint. When you know someone that's involved, you go harder, okay?
That's just that's just the reality of things. I care deeply, okay? because I came up along Charlie. And if Charlie's not safe in the political space, neither
am I. Certainly not with you guys speaking like this. That also was the point of the NCRI um NCRI report. That
report is not going to be used in as evidence. Look, harassment, that is what they took Alex Jones down for. He said something which he has apologized before
and said was wrong. He he speculated that the children didn't actually die that day. And then they came after him for emotional harassment, stress,
whatever the claims were. And they sued him and won for $1.4 billion, effectively ending his Infowars platform, suing him into bankruptcy.
And I want to be clear, they're also putting people on their show to say, you know, Erica's just like the parents at
um Sandy Hook. That's this is the priming. They all know something that we don't know. They're not all kind of going back to Sandy Hook for no reason.
Here is Viva Frey on the Charlie Kirk show. Take a listen.
We're living in a world where people have sort of gotten back into the realm of the Alex Jones Infowars Sandy Hook level psychotic conspiracy everywhere.
Where now people are saying, "All right, I believe everything we're being told is a lie, so I'm going to not believe anything except for that which I've
convinced myself of already." I don't know if Tyler Robinson pulled the trigger. I don't know if he was on the roof and he was the one who who fired
the gun. I know what the preliminary evidence looks like right now and I know what's being juiced at the preliminary hearing. But the insane conspiracy
theories that are being floated that are implicating everyone and anyone involved that are unsubstantiated and
unfalsifiable in their vagueness. I mean, I I I'm seeing Sandy Hook 2.0 recurring right now. I appreciate there are some issues with the prosecution.
There's some issues with the investigation and there's some issues with the evidence like I can fine. I can appreciate that. But to go from there to
say that it's exploding microphones, Israel did it. And not that Israel might not Israel might have had a hand in
this, but until you can provide the slightest shred of evidence other than I can divine an intention or a motive, you
have to admit that from the evidence that you have right now, if you have a more plausible theory than the one being presented, which is Tyler Robinson was on the roof, took the shot, had the
rifle, had the moment, had the opportunity, if you have a more plausible theory to present, you can go ahead and present it, but you don't get to manufacture facts out of whole cloth.
off. This is sure for sure foreshadowing.
This is like this is like the this kind of dark psychiatry. Um I'm I'm well accustomed to this. They they are getting ahead of something. Okay, they
know something and they're priming the public to think this is just like when elementary school children died and Alex Jones had to be sued. And it is deeply
ironic and almost sick that that is being platformed on what is still being called the Charlie Kirk show because let
me tell you what the namesake Charlie Kirk himself had to say about people who
call for lawsuits and for people to be bankrupted because they don't like speech. Here is Charlie Kirk regarding that specific Alex Jones lawsuit.
Alex Jones was patient zero for the censorship regime back in 2018
and now Alex Jones is patient zero for lawfare strategies to be able to shut people up
that they don't like. Is Alex Jones outlandish? Of course he is. He's a quasi entertainer. That's one of the reasons why he's so popular. But Alex
Jones has been right about a lot of things.
And so people say, "Well, don't talk about it, you know, stay away from it." I learned my lesson. I I I learned my lesson what happens when I stay quiet and I listen to these people. I'm not going to put up with another bad
precedent being set because I'm told that I should hate Alex Jones. He's he's outlandish. He's wild.
He's entertaining. I don't agree with them on everything.
They're doing this to be able to show as it's a spectacle.
And some people say, 'Look, Charlie, this isn't about the regime doing a spectacle. It's about the families of murdered kids.
I think it's I think it's not right what Alex Jones said and what he did. He agrees with that. Should you be able to shut somebody up because of it? Rachel
Matto accused One American News Network of being funded by the Russian government and a judge tossed that away
because under free speech provisions a billion dollars.
We're going to talk about this in the next segment throughout the hour. This also is an opportunity that I hope all of you take.
Watch carefully today. The podcasts you listen to, the radio shows you consume, the TV shows you watch.
This is a scorecard moment.
If your favorite conservative commentator is silent on Alex Jones, that is very telling. Lawyers for the Sandy Hook
families say a verdict will send a signal to other conspiracy purveyors about the cost of online lies and set in
motion a chain of events that could shut info wars down.
So basically the New York Times is saying this is a lot bigger than just Alex Jones. And you might be out there and say I hate Alex Jones and he's a whackadoodle and all this sort of stuff.
Look at the bigger picture. Have you learned nothing about how these people operate?
Conspiracy purveyor. Who exactly is that? You know who the conspiracy purveyors are? Every single one of those mockingb bird maniacs on television that was telling us Donald Trump is a Russian agent. You're the conspiracy theorist.
But they'll never be held accountable.
No. What they mean by conspiracy theorist is someone who asks questions against the core tenants as Fred
Friedrich Nichze the pieties that you can't ask like election integrity or the alphabet mafia.
There he is, you guys, in his own words on his own show, his namesake, the Charlie Kirk show, which used to
represent Charlie Kirk's ideas. And now we have these pathetic people who are an
extension of the state, the very state that Charlie was trying to fight, the surveillance states, the totalitarian
state, people that then use the state to punish people with lawsuits.
How dare they? How dared they do it with his name below in the banner. The Charlie Kirk show is now using the same
logic that we believe that what happened in Sandy, this is like akin to Sandy Hook. People are being harassed. They
are signaling that this is their last desperate ploy. Mark my words. We'll end this with a Charlie Kirk tweet so we
know exactly how he felt about this. He wrote, "The lawyers behind the sham billion-dollar verdict against Alex Jones are now trying to seize his
personal social media accounts in bankruptcy. This was never about justice for Sandy Hook families," or whatever excuse they gave. The lawsuits against Jones have always been about finding a
way to censor and destroy a person that the left hates and then using that blueprint on everybody else. You were right. Except, Charlie, wherever you
are, you would be proud to know that for once, the left and the right are united.
We are united against the state of whatever the hell Turning Point USA has become because we know it's not you. We know it's not what you represented. And
we think it's why you didn't after you passed the energy. It didn't stay there because how could it? You would detest what it's become.
We'll be right back after a break.

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Part 1 of 2

Where WAS That Screwdriver? The Evolving Tale of the Only Thing Placing Tyler on the Roof - Ep 148
Baron Coleman
Jul 21, 2026

Today we take a close look at what might turn out to to be the single most important piece of evidence in Utah v. Tyler Robinson. The Screwdriver. Where was it? When? And why did that story change so drastically?

We also look at who the TPUSA CEO hates more than the man who is alleged to have taken the life of her husband. We examine the unhinged article.



Chapter 1: Intro All right, guys. Welcome in. Welcome in. Welcome in.

We've got a lot to get to tonight. I hope you guys have your uh safety be buckles harnessed and you you're you're all situated. If you're driving, if you're driving, ignore everything I'm about to say. But those of you who are driving, you you might want to at various times tonight, close your eyes.

You're going to want to picture yourself in various places because you're going to ask, "How can these facts be reconciled? " Well, we know through the laws of physics that can't happen. Speaking of one thing being in two places at the same time, sometimes we have two cameras in one place at the same time or we have a camera in a place where perhaps someone testifying didn't know a camera was and we learn whether or not they were telling the truth. We'll have to examine that here tonight.

Um, I want to build off of before I get to my opening, which I think is excellent, by the way. One of my favorite uh, novellas that I want to talk about tonight. But before we get to that, I want to kind of build off of something Candace was talking about tonight because I think it's the this idea that we have um, I I I am going to talk about the article at some point. the article where Candace uh was called various names and well, at least according to a family friend, Erica has a higher opinion of the alleged person who took her husband's life than she does of a podcaster who did not take her husband's life.

So, that we will get to that. That that's going to be an interesting thing. But in light of that, I want to kind of point something out. [snorts] We have repeatedly said on this show, do not contact these people.

Don't harass these people. Don't bother these people. You know, if you want to make content, make content. Um, I don't harass these people.

" Okay, I'm polite. I just I don't even respond and say, "Okay, I'll be happy to. " I genuinely don't ever reach back out again. Um, not even to follow up and say, "I hear you loud and clear.

" U, I I think that's the polite and respectful way to handle things. But it doesn't stop us from wanting to know what happened. This was a political event that shook the nation. This isn't some personal thing that involved some random neighbor, right?

If if if if a random guy who lived down the street from me tragically was taken um in a violent act, you know, maybe we don't examine his whole life. Maybe we don't examine the whole life of the person who takes over for him at work because who the hell is that guy? No one even knows who that guy is. But if a president of the United States goes down, we're going to examine it.

How many people have been talked about in the JFK assassination? Roger Stone wrote a whole book implicating Lyndon Baines Johnson as the guy who ordered the hit. Uh you have podcasters, authors, movie makers, you have all kinds of people talking about potential people who might have been involved. This is what happens in a in a free republic when a major crime happens that impacts a great deal of the public.

Uh, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has speculated on the man who took the life of his father. That guy's never been charged.

They've never had a probable cause hearing. He was never arrested. He was a security guard working that night uh on behalf, I believe, of the government. Nevertheless, Robert F.

" That Sir Han Sand may have had something to do with the death of Robert F. Kennedy, but he ultimately was not responsible for taking his life. He was in the wrong place. He could not have shot him from behind if he was in front, for example.

And Robert F. Kennedy identifi Robert F. Kennedy Jr. identified the guy who was standing behind.

I actually did an opening on this and speculated that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is probably right. The guy who took Robert F.

Kennedy's life is not in prison right now. He was never charged. There's nothing wrong with that on a matter of public uh uh of a public person. There's nothing wrong with that.

In fact, if there was something wrong with that, the entire industry of uh of courtroom television, Nancy Grace, um think of uh Megan Kelly to some extent with what she did with the Idaho 5 uh and other cases, the whole Casey Anthony trial, all of these legal commentators would be put out of business. They wouldn't be free to speculate. They would be limited to, uh the evidence doesn't make sense. It seems to point to someone else, but we're not allowed to talk about that.

What do you mean? Who Who do you think did it? Can't tell you. Can't tell you.

Sorry. Uh uh well, can you can you just give us some initials? No, can't even give you the initials. This case is even a little different.

I don't believe I have ever speculated a particular person actively took a step to pull any kind of trigger, activate a device and take the life ultimately or pull a trigger uh take the life of Charlie Kirk. I don't believe I ever have. I have I, you know, maybe I thought that at the time, but you know, it's an opinion. I don't I don't necessarily think that's the case today.

I I don't know who did it. My question is who killed him? Sure. And and in that I mean who pulled the trigger, who did activated the device, who did whatever, but but really how.

I am very intrigued by the how and the why. Because I think the how and the why are going to get us to the who. I think the how and the why will get us to the who. If we can figure out what kind of device, what kind of contraption, what kind, was it a bullet, what kind of bullet, where'd it come from, what's the angle, what what does the autopsy say, that can kind of get us on to the who.

Um same with the how, the why. If we can get if we can nail down the why, we start to limit the number of people who can be involved in the WHO. What's not up for debate and what we've covered extensively on this on this program is the dishonesty or the perceived dishonesty that's come out of the people closest to Charlie Kirk after the fact. I've been very bothered by that.

In fact, if you look around and 6 minutesyou just kind of objectively study their words where they said they were, things begin to not make sense. Take Blake Nef. We covered last week about how Blake maybe this week. I can't remember what day it is.

Uh we covered one day um that Blake Nef said at one point he stayed in Oram. The next night, a couple nights later, he says he stayed in Salt Lake City. Well, you can't reconcile those two. You were one of the other.

You were one of the other. He said he called uh Mikey called Erica first. And then we learned, no, Mikey didn't call Erica first. Mikey called his wife first.

Well, you can't reconcile those two. Um, he said he called or Erica told Candace he called Danny Phillips and talked for . Well, they were together. They were in the same car.

Why? What were they talking about? I think they were in the same car. Maybe they were at least at the same event.

What were they talking about? Why were they on the phone for ? Is that who he really called? I mean, there's just so many inconsistencies.

And Brett Weinstein on X in the last couple of days. I don't know if it was yesterday again. I I think it's Tuesday. I I was off yesterday.

I don't normally do a show on Tuesday. I normally do a show on Monday. Um, I didn't do yet on yesterday. We had an event in the family.

It ran long. I loved it. I don't I wouldn't change it for anything in the world, but it didn't leave me with time to finish the show for yesterday. So, we're going to do it today.

Uh, we'll just switch those two days. But the um the the reality is what Brett Weinstein asked was if if the murder of Charlie Kirk is relatively straightforward, what what's up with the cover up? What's up with the cover up? And that's a good question.

That's kind of what leads us to meet on a regular basis. What's up with the cover up? What are we doing? Wh why why are we continually faced with what appears to be, at least on its face, patent dishonesty, changing positions, changing stories, stories that don't make sense.

We're going to get to one of them tonight. A key piece of evidence we're going to talk about tonight, the screwdriver. At first, you think, well, that's boring. You're going to do a show on a screwdriver?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think the screwdriver may be the most fascinating piece of evidence in this entire case because the screwdriver moved. It moved over the course of about 4 days and something significant happened before it moved.

Something very significant happened. It was in one location. It was there for days and days and then something happened and then all of a sudden the screwdriver moved. The person who first moved the screwdriver was the director of the FBI, Cash Patel.

We'll talk about that tonight. Why did the screwdriver move? Why did it have to move? Well, I think we've kind of figured it out again.

What's up with the cover up? Why are you moving the screwdriver around? Why wasn't this Why didn't you accurately report where the screwdriver was? We also have detective or officer Bagley, agent Bag.

I'm not sure what he is. He was a a cop at UVU and now he's a cop somewhere else making a bunch of money. But we have Baggley talking about the discovery of the screwdriver. We're going to look at that in depth tonight because the story doesn't make sense.

There actually was a camera on him. We learned when he made the discovery about the exact time he made the discovery. He tells us he was on the roof alone with a plane closed officer. Is that true?

We'll nail that down. We'll nail that down. Uh but I do want to get to my open because I think it's good if I do say so myself. I'll be humble enough to say I think it's pretty good.

As I'm looking at this case, as I'm looking at the social media anxiety, I think is the only way word I can use for it. I'm looking for any any semblance of sanity. I wonder where have I seen this before? Where

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... this was your opening statement.

[laughter] I hope you enjoyed it as much as I did. Um, guys, I'm irritated right now. I'm very irritated by this this push that you must comply or we're going to try to destroy your life. Um, I've had a relatively successful legal career.

I've not ever really been 24 minutesthat controversial as a lawyer. I've I've t taken on the establishment a lot. Uh, took on the establishment with nonprofits and political campaigns. I took on the establishment with uh HIV science for four or five straight years.

Um, I'm not accustomed I am accustomed to taking shots from big boys. I'm accustomed to being called names. It doesn't bother me, but I've never seen an environment like this. I really haven't.

Um, and I went up against a multi-billion dollar HIV industry who hated the way we were defending criminal clients, but I never ever was treated with anything other than respect. Like it it was all I never I never had some twit calling me a con man or anything like that because I was like, "Hey, can you prove what you're claiming? You're claiming this guy has h you know how to prove that? Can you prove it?

You you're using a test. Have you read the test kit? I have. I know what it says.

Do you know the limits of what it says? I don't mind if you convict somebody, but you should have to be pretty pretty accurate. You're pretty sure. You better have your your evidence in order.

And if you don't, well then we've we've got a problem because we're not going to submit to you. We're going to make you prove it. And I I just am amazed, frankly, with the the hive mind mentality and how people don't understand that when you engage in that kind of behavior, you're not just proving a point on an individual case or an individual idea. What you're doing is creating this dystopian nightmare future where you're not allowed to have independent thought.

You're not allowed to investigate anything. So, I'm not going to put up with it. Like, I'm I'm going to keep doing what we do. I don't really address the the the fools online, and they are mostly fools.

For example, everything we discussed tonight, well, almost everything till we get to the last story. Almost everything we discussed tonight, I'm just going to pull stuff up on the screen, and you're just going to see them evolve [clears throat] in real time on where this the screwdriver was. Now, that's not me having an opinion. You can't say I'm wrong about it.

I'm telling you what they said. You might disagree with my opinion on why it changed. But you can't disagree with the facts. You can't disagree with the facts.

I maintain and I say this and I I will hold myself to this standard. And the other night we came out and corrected something that nobody even caught that we said. It was about Zechariah Careshi going hospital to hospital. We finally got a hold of the original uh audio and listen to it in full instead of just listening to clips.

And Daisy and I had a conversation. She said, "I don't think we understood that correctly. " I could have ignored it. I could have gone on with life.

I could have covered something else that night. But no, you're right. We do need to make a correction. We need to put it up there and explain why we said it.

And then we need to explain why we no longer agree with it. I think that's the right thing to do in that situ. Always welcome to make a correction, but if you're just going to call me a fool, then I'm not going to listen to you. But if you say, "Hey, you said the screwdriver was found here.

" Okay. Well, I didn't hear that audio. I'll be happy to make that correction next time I'm on here. Easy enough.

Easy enough. Speaking of the screwdriver, speaking of the screwdriver, Chapter 3: September 11 Audio and Video of Screwdriver in Woods with Gun we now have a single piece of evidence that puts Tyler Robinson on the roof. We have I mean, besides the fact that Jack Pobic and company said that, oh, it's crystal clear HD, you can't see him up there. You can't see him up there.

There's no DNA on the ledge. There's no fingerprints. There's no none of that exists. The only thing we have that puts him on the roof is the screwdriver.

So, let's go back to the initial reports of the screwdriver because this now becomes one of the most important pieces of evidence in the entire case. We better get good and well versed on where was the screwdriver and when. So, I want to play several clips here from September 11th, the day the screwdriver was found. This is the situation room on CNN.

This is Andrew McCabe, former acting director of the FBI, uh, excuse me, the FBI talking about the screwdriver identified photographs that may match your person. So, this technology comes does not come without controversy. It has been thought to have uh, you know, there are folks who are concerned about biases that are built into these algorithms that could lead to false identifications, things of that nature. But it also has proven to be incredibly helpful in some other investigations.

So, I would expect that's the type of tools they're using. Now, if that doesn't work for them, I'm sure we're going to hear them. We're going to see them release those images and ask for help. We also learn, Andy, that authorities recovered a screwdriver right near the rifle they found.

Investigators say that's an indication that the shooter may have used it to disassemble and then reassemble the firearm before using it. What does that tell you? Why would he need a screwdriver? Well, you know, one of the questions that I've had since yesterday until we recently found out that they recovered the rifle is how does this shooter get out of that location?

Just get off the roof. Okay. Well, he he keeps going, but we're going to stop it there. The question is, it's a good question, Andy.

How did he get the gun off the roof? How'd he get the gun onto the roof? Well, and they go on to speculate he may have taken it apart. Okay.

Did you hear how she introduced the screwdriver? We're now learning the screwdriver was found near the weapon. Where was the weapon found? It wasn't found on the roof, was it?

No. Okay. That's just one piece of information. m.

Mountain time on September 11th. It was early. It was the fog of war. Surely we know more now.

Well, maybe because a couple hours later, we have another guy on CNN. And that guy on CNN talks about the very same screwdriver. Let me get fast forward here and get to where he talks about the very same screwdriver. This is a guy named can't remember his name, Evans or something.

It looks like a deep stater [laughter] if we're being honest. The guy on the right. And look, I mean, we don't know exactly what to make of that. Uh the investigators certainly have this and they're looking at this.

They're asking the public to turn in any other video that they may have that might give them a clue as to what, you know, how this all went down. One of the interesting things uh that we were told uh that the investigators found is, you know, they found a screwdriver there near this this this the firearm, right? Uh found a screwdriver near the firearm. Say investigators found a screwdriver near the firearm.

You remember the governor came out initially and said that he took the gun apart on the roof. Put the gun together on the roof. Took the gun apart on the roof. No word yet why he would need to be limping around like that if he's got the gun in pieces.

But, you know, we don't know all the facts. We've not heard all the evidence. But we now have two different people from CNN saying that investigators are saying they found the screwdriver near the firearm. And we know where the firearm was allegedly found.

It was in the bushes in the wooded area across the street from the Losi center. It was not on the Losi center roof. The firearm was not found on the Losi center roof. The screwdriver was found near the firearm.

This is September 11th. This is the day after. They're citing investigators. They have good sources.

m. m. m. We now go to Fox News.

We're still on the same day, the day after. Everybody seems to be in agreement so far where the screwdriver was found fit into that backpack. And does this speak to the idea that maybe the weapon had been prepositioned that this was really thought out over time and not just on the day? Yeah, I think that's a salient point.

You know, the received wisdom a little bit upon the discovery of the screwdriver was that it was used for breaking down the rifle and then getting out of there or uh bringing it broken down and assembling it on the roof. That leaves a lot of vulnerability. I mean, for all we know, the screwdriver was used to jimmy the lock to get up onto the roof. So, you know, we do have to be a little bit cautious about our uh our uh leaps here in Logic, but certainly a possibility.

You could have had it secreted there without question. So, we do know that the person left the campus holding the rifle because they have it by now. They will have matched it to the round that unfortunately took Charlie's life. So, they know they got the gun and they're saying that.

So, I think we can lean on that heavily. So, there's likely images of him leaving with that gun. So, they're talking about the screwdriver and they don't really know what to make of the screwdriver. They didn't say the screwdriver was found on the roof.

Maybe maybe it was to Jimmy Duck. There you see, he had a very uh strong New York accent there. Very strong. Uh for those of you in our New York audience, I'm sure that sounded completely normal to everyone else on the planet.

That sounded really weird. Um but he said, "Yeah, you know, by now they're going to have a match of the bullet to the gun. " Well, they never did. Now, bad news for you, sir.

That was not actually the case. Yes, like you, we all expected that to happen quickly and it took us months and months, maybe six, eight months to learn that they actually never were able to match it. Uh, this is a little later in the evening. This is an evening report on the screwdriver here, so we'll let this roll.

This is again Fox News. This is again September 11th. Pointing at him, he's limping. And some people have suggested that could be uh that the rifle or at least part of the rifle uh is perhaps secreted down that pant leg and that's why he's walking with a stiff leg.

But then we see and if we can go to the interior photos now of him walking up the stairwell. I I don't know how you would be walking up a stairwell with that uh with that rifle still down a pant leg. So I mean what what do you do you glean anything from that Dan? Does this give you any clues at all?

Because he clearly doesn't have a rifle in his hand anywhere that we've seen him. Well, I think the recovery of the screwdriver is significant to the the entire investigation. That he utilized the screwdriver to break apart the the weapon, which to me indicates that he's familiar with the weapon. He understands how the weapon works and he was able to break it down and secrete it, whether it be in his pant leg or whether it be in his backpack.

So, he was carrying that backpack. with the that backpack. So, the screwdriver is still very much a piece of the story here late into the evening on September 11th. And then the screwdrivers, it goes away.

We don't hear much about the screwdriver after we we have, you know, we're left with the impression the screwdriver was found with the gun. That's what investigators said. Screwdriver was found with the gun. The gun, we know, was allegedly found in the bushes.

doesn't take a rocket surgeon to realize that the screwdriver would then have been found with the in the bushes, not on the roof. And then we get fast forward to September 15th and then we learn that that's actually no longer the case. Um Cash Patel actually changes the location Chapter 4: First Mention of Screwdriver on Roof Comes on September 15 via Kash Patel of the screwdriver. He with his words moves the screwdriver to a totally different location.

No longer is the screwdriver in any bush. screwdriver now man has has has migrated. It has floated through the air and it lands in a completely different place on September 15 local on September 11th was walk the entire crime scene including the foots the sub suspect himself took and what we 36 minuteslearned was there was evidence DNA evidence that could be collected and had been collected including a screwdriver that was found on the rooftop. Also, we that was the first time we heard about the screwdriver on the rooftop.

The question is why were the investigators telling news people that the screwdriver was found in the bushes? Like that's a key distinction. Oh, we found a screwdriver in the bushes. Okay, we'll report that.

Yeah, we'll go ahead and report that. Well, ladies and gentlemen, they found a screwdriver in the bushes. Screwdriver was a key part of the story. They couldn't figure out how he got the rifle up and down.

Well, well, let's go to when the screwdriver was discovered. We have a guy. We have a guy who will tell us when the screwdriver was recovered. His name is Officer Baggley.

This guy sucks. [laughter] I'm sorry. This story is terrible. He had so many pieces of his story that were just awful.

Uh, but let's go and hear what officer Baggley has to say about finding this critical piece of evidence that we now know is the only thing that ties Tyler Robinson to the roof. Body cam footage that I reviewed appears to end while you're still on the roof. Do you know why that is? I think the battery went dead.

It was just right at that moment. Okay. And Oh, man. Man, I was ready for my Kodak moment, sir.

I had my body cam footage. It was active. It was going. I had a good battery behind it.

That I'm a I'm a cop. I'm not Barney Fe. I'm a real life officer. They let me keep my bullets in my gun.

Then I get to the scene of the crime. I make the discovery of a lifetime. The only piece of evidence, the only piece of evidence on the planet that ties Tyler Robinson to the roof. We'll learn in a second why that's the only piece of evidence that ties him to the roof.

But the only piece of evidence on the planet that ties him to the roof. Oh, dog gone it. My bad my battery died. What unfortunate timing.

Can you believe it? It's unbelievable. Uh so what happened in the intermediate time? Why was it so important?

Chapter 5: DNA and Fingerprints on Everything Else Do Not Put Tyler Robinson on Roof Why was it so important that his screwdriver be on the roof and not anywhere else? Well, we've got the DNA lady. That probably didn't come out right. We got the lady who performed the DNA analysis.

We got the lady who uh reported the DNA analysis and she'll tell us just how important it was that this screwdriver was on the roof. Uh she'll imply she'll imply why it's so important. So for the first six items, those were swabs that were taken from the uh northeast corner of the Losi building. Correct.

Correct. Yes. Um, and you used all all of the swabs and you concluded that there was no DNA present on any of those items. Correct.

That is correct. So, you couldn't do any comparative testing? Correct. There was nothing for me to compare to.

Okay. And what did you have left after you did Oh, I guess we just figured it out. Um, this lady did the DNA testing. She tested sweat drops.

She tested uh fingerprint areas where he had whoever was up there allegedly had touched and left some sort of appreciable quantity of fingerprints and stuff and was not able to find any usable DNA. No what they call matchable DNA. In other words, it just was not any good. That's their story and they're sticking to it.

And and keep in mind DNA is awfully subjective. It's not like you see on CSI Miami. I don't know what's popular. It's the last time I watch TV was in CN CSI Miami uh was on TV.

But but you know on CSI Miami they run it through go Baron Coleman DNA. It's like flashing screen. It's not the way it works in the real world. In the real world somebody's looking and going that's kind of the same shade of gray.

That kind of looks about the same length. They're like holding up items for comparison. Yeah, I guess. I mean, yeah.

Okay, we'll call it a day. Tyler Robinson it is. And that's how it works in the real world. Well, what do we know about when the DNA results came back?

They came back on like the 13th or the 14th. They came back after they told us the screwdriver was found in the woods. They tell us all day. Investigators are telling their news buddies, "Hey, you want a hot tip?

" It's in the woods. Oh, in the woods. Yeah, it's in the woods. Next to the gun.

Oh, in the woods. Next to the gun. Yeah, that's right. So, they run out and report that DNA lady comes back a couple days later like, "Hey guys, bad news.

" Oh crap. I know. Let's put the screwdriver on the roof. Yeah, but Bagley, you know, Bagley camera was running the whole time.

Well, let's just kill his camera. Oh, okay. Just have him tell people his camera died. Okay.

Camera died before I saw the screwdriver. Got it. Got it. I I don't know if that's what happened, but that makes more sense to me than guy runs on roof and camera dies an hour into his shift.

That makes a lot more sense to me than that. These camera batteries that are designed to last 10, 12, , he's on shift an hour and and his camera dies. There's no beeping. There's no notification.

We still don't know whether he called in and reported his camera died as is protocol in many jurisdictions. No, we're just told it died. It just shut off. They were watching it.

They saw and then all of a sudden it was gone and lo and behold, right before he discovered the screwdriver on the roof. If you were going to frame somebody, and I'm not suggesting they did, but if you were going to frame somebody, this would be the exact way to do it. Find a piece of evidence that wasn't on the roof. realize you can't have tie him to the roof in any other way because the sweat drop comes back and we can't tell it's him.

The fingerprints come back, we can't tell it's him. We can't put him on the roof any other way. Throw the screwdriver on the roof. But the screwdriver wasn't on the roof.

That's okay. That's okay. Put it up there anyway. That's kind of what it seems like happened.

I don't know if that's what happened. I'm just telling you it kind of seems that way if we're being honest. " Yeah. No, you can't.

And then Bagley's like, "Oh my gosh, well, he looks like Bigfoot. " Well, we do have this stupid screwdriver. Oh, put a screwdriver up there. Why don't we put the gun up there?

Because the people know the gun's not up there. Okay, well, we'll put the screwdriver up there. Yeah, roger that. And then they have to come up with this absurd story.

Oh, he must have been assembling the rifle up there. That's why he had the screwdriver. You see? What about the fingerprints?

Can't we just put him up there with the fingerprints? Well, no. No. Officer Kalawala was up there talking about the fingerprints and they had a stipulation that the fingerprints were not Tyler Robinson's.

This is a good point to read a stipulation into the record. All right. Uh this the language of this has been agreed upon by the parties. The parties stipulate that investigators at the crime scene observed latent fingerprints and a palm print on a grass glass window near the area where the individual landed when the individual jumped from the rooftop of the Losi center at UVU.

SBI invest fingerprint examiner Alisa Farmer examined images of these latent fingerprints and the palm print and determined that only three of the latent prints 11B, 11C, and 11D were of comparable or of poor comparable value. She excluded Tyler Robinson as the source of any of these three latent prints. Miss Farmer reviewed other prints on the window and found that they did not have adequate value for comparison. Subsequent examinations of these three latent actual latent prints by the FBI were inconclusive.

All right. So, we can't put them there from fingerprints. We had fingerprints. We had usable fingerprints.

You guys remember early on uh within days you had all these people and they'd show up and they had their cameras on like 15 foot poles and they were looking on the roof. Remember that? Cuz they had the roof blocked off, couldn't get up there. Uh, so everybody went and they grabbed these poles and these these poles had their cameras on the top of them and they went up and they were looking over the ledge and you could see legitimate fingerprints on the ledge because when when the guy spider-maned off the roof, he grabbed the ledge with his hand.

It's not what something you want a leather glove between you and death. You want your you want your paws up there, right? You want the actual grit of your paws and you he's spider-maning down and so people and they dusted of course for Prince. They took DNA.

None of it matched back to Tyler Robinson. And so they had a problem on their hands because we I I promise you we could go back and find the footage of independent investigators out there with cameras on 15t poles leaning over the edge and you could see the fingerprints and like those are clean fingerprints. They'll be able to match those to Tyler Robinson. That's going to be the definitive proof he was up there.

Well, lo and behold, they weren't able to do it. They were able to get fingerprints off the glass, off the ledge. They were able to get fingerprints, not all, but some of them, but they couldn't match them to Tyler Robinson. They don't know who was Spider-Man off the roof.

Could have been someone else on another day. Someone spider-maned yesterday. I don't know. They didn't catch it on camera, but but as soon as they realized, wait a minute, there's no DNA.

There's no fingerprints. 46 minutesAll this information came in between September 11th and September 15th. It was all came in like September 13th and 14th. when they came back with the DNA and the fingerprints.

And that's when Cash Patel goes on camera on the September 15th saying, "Oh, yeah. " Yeah. Oh, it's on the roof. No doubt it was on the roof.

Um, what about the handrail? You would think the You would think the handrail would be a pretty easy thing to identify, right? I mean, that doesn't look like it's going to be much of a problem. The handrail.

I mean, we saw him grab the handrail in the photos. He had a bare hand on. He wasn't wearing gloves. What about the handrail?

Were we able to get DNA at least? Maybe we can't put them on the roof, but maybe we put them on the stairs walking up to the roof. They were both labeled as coming from the same stairwell and they were packaged together. So, our our uh policies and procedures is that we can combine those two together.

And when you do that, you create a mixture, right? I don't know that I would agree that combining the two would create a mixture. Um given the item of evidence, a stairwell railing. I don't necess don't necessarily expect that one swab would have one person, the second swab would have a different second person and combining the two of them creates a mixture.

Um however, I don't know that for certain. But again, we're I don't know is DNA present. So my um our procedure is to combine and consume those swabs. Okay.

And in this case when you did that what you got was a complex mixture right? I did I got uh DNA from more than five individuals so I could not provide a conclusion. Chapter 6: Video Doesn't Put Tyler Robinson on Roof Either Well that's too bad. Now we can't put them in the stairwell either.

Can't put them in the stairwell. Can't put them on the roof. Can't put them on the stairwell with DNA. Can't put him on the roof with DNA or fingerprints.

Well, surely we could just watch the video. Benny Johnson told me it was 4D H 4K HD. It was like being there. It was like re-watching the whole thing over again.

I could see his finger slowly pulling the trigger back until it popped. We know that that didn't happen. Um because um officer Baggley tells us what he saw when he look at the looked at the camera. Just a reminder, we're having trouble again.

Why Why do we need to put the screwdriver on the roof? We're just going through the fact that nothing else puts him on the roof. Literally nothing else puts them on the roof. It's screwdriver or bust for these people.

It's the only thing you're going to put them on. You watched the video where you saw an individual [clears throat] up on the roof, right? And that individual was in the vicinity where you saw the disturbance in the gravel. Yes.

And um when you looked at that video, were you able to identify the individual's face? I know. Were you able to identify any markings on their clothing? No.

Were you able to identify their height? No. When you all when we looked at the picture of the I think you called it the sniper perks. I'm going to use your word u words.

It looked like there was a measuring tape laid out next to it. Did you ever were you present when they measured like the distance like how long how tall that person would have been? I was not. So you don't know what that is?

I don't. Um were you able to tell the person's weight from the video that you saw? I can tell he wasn't heavy set more of a skinnier person. Could you identify what shoes they were wearing?

I could not. Could you identify anything about a hat or what was on their head? At the moment, no, I couldn't. Okay.

We were told this was HD definitive proof that it was Tyler Robinson. That's what all the social media influencers told us. That's what Officer Tater told us. That's what uh intel officer uh intel agent Jack Pobic told us.

We were told this was definitive proof that it was Tyler Robinson on the roof. It left no doubt. Open and shut case, but the video doesn't put him on the roof. The fingerprints don't put him on the roof.

The DNA doesn't put him on the roof. Doesn't even put him in the stairwell. Well, can we at least put him in possession of a firearm up on the roof? I mean, we got to have him up there with something.

What did he throw rocks at him? Are we Are we suggesting he hit a slingshot? I mean, you got to put a firearm in his hands, right, Officer Baggley? Surely you're able to tell with definition that we at least have a firearm up there because the firearm we know had Tyler Robinson's DNA on it.

So therefore, if you can put a firearm in his hands up there, at least you know somebody up there that might be a piece of DNA you could transport back in time up there. And did you see a gun in the video? I saw a long black object in the left hand as he was running over across the roof. And in fact, did you describe that in your report as a um bag?

I don't know. I have no idea. I don't know why. Oh, dog on it.

Couldn't even put a gun in his hand up there. I saw an object. It was long. It was black.

But you said in your report it was a bag. Well, bag smag, bag gun. Six on one hand, half a dozen on the other. Ma'am, he wasn't heavy set like you are.

Oh. Uh, let's go back and look at that real quick. Let's go back and look at that real quick. Um, I want to go back and look at this 4D HD extra quality footage that these guys were able to play in the courtroom because this is this is devastating stuff.

If you've got a gun in his hand, actually, you know what? Um, Daisy, don't we have the uh actual footage in the folder? Let me pull that. That'll be easier.

I I don't want anyone to say, "But you're playing up a projector. I had a I had a cleaner version somewhere. I'll take that argument out of your hands, ma'am. Sir, we we'll just completely not that one.

We'll completely take that argument out of your hands. Let me go back and pull the original footage downloaded from the FBI website. Um, this will basically just nail down that that this is not what that we were told. But I don't want to be accused of of um that the right one.

Oh, that's not it either. Ah, maybe I'll have to play that one. I don't have it. I don't know where it is.

Um, all right. I'll play the other one. I'll play the other one. We're going to be accused of of uh messing messing with this here.

And we're not. I mean, it's just we have the original one somewhere, but it's no clean cleaner than this. I was just going to play it to be a smart alleg. But we have here in this footage, we have here in this footage, um, Tyler Robinson alleging, you believe this to be Mr.

One of the Tylers running across the roof here. Um, and we have him flopping around up here. Uh, what's the time on that? Oh, .

We're getting close. Oh, went too far. Went too far back. I should have had this done, but Oh, there he is.

All right. So, we have him going to run across here in just a second. He's going to appear behind here. There he comes out.

He's coming out behind the little atrium thing. He's coming over to the white triangle there in the distance. And he Spider-Man's off. Clear as mud.

Plain as day. plain as day. If you can't see a gun in that picture, you're out of your mind. That is that is the cleanest image I've ever seen of a firearm.

According to Officer Tater tot. According to Officer Tater Tot. I'm going to be fair. I'm going to go find that.

I I'll find it. I have the original FBI video footage somewhere. See if I can find it. There it is.

Look at that. HD 4K. Super impressive quality. All right, here we go.

Let's watch. Let's watch together. So, there he is uh running behind uh at at B by the way, I think we calculated like a 6-minute mile pace. That's a pretty good little That's like 10 miles an hour he's running.

Keep in mind, he's wearing headtotoe gear, running on gravel apparently. Does anyone see a firearm in his hand anywhere? See a firearm in his hand anywhere? Back it up.

I I see no long black anything in his hand as he's running across the roof. Now they zoom in. I still see no long black firearm in his hand. I see a bag or something there.

But watch when he hits the ground. This thing flops. Imagine a 42 or 43 inch long firearm hitting the ground at this speed that you're about to watch here. What would it look like?

Would it Would it flop like that? I mean, that thing's half of it's laying on the ground and half of it's bent at like a 90 degree angle coming up in his hand and he just snatches it off the ground and runs up. Where is the gun? It's it's it's literally swaying as he runs.

I'll slow it down. Again, I don't want to I don't want to be accused of like uh favoring anybody here. I just want trying to get to the truth. We'll slow it down as he goes here.

lays down whatever that is kind of in the gutter there on the side of the roof. Kind of there's the Spider-Man action. This is this is where these these these people on the other side are so dishonest. He didn't have to Spider-Man the roof.

He just walked up the stairs. Yeah, but he didn't walk down the stairs. You big dummy. He didn't walk down the stairs.

He spider-maned off the building. Oh, sorry. There he goes. He's swinging his right foot down.

He gets a little footooth hold I think on the ledge here maybe he's look right there his entire body weight look at this when he comes off his entire body weight right there his feet are connected to nothing they're both swinging his entire body weight is held by his sole left hand we're told that left hand is also holding a gun [laughter] nonsense nonsense nonsense there's his right hand swinging around so his whole body weight is on his left hand. He's got some kind of towel or something in his hand again cuz it's like fans out as he drags it around. Then he drops off the building. He's on the ledge.

He falls down. Now watch this. I'm going to pause it. Watch.

Watch. Okay. So, he hits his whole body hits the ground and and whatever that is in his hand, it doesn't bounce. It doesn't rebound.

It doesn't You don't see physics acting on it. It just flops. It just flops. Then he picks it up and it bent and it's just swinging in the wind.

Where's the gun? It's just swinging around. Look at it. I mean, maybe maybe I think that's pretty thin.

I think that's pretty thin. " Never been more convinced about anything in my entire life. This is probably the most evidence I've ever seen in a court case. What?

You can't even tell a gun was fired. Go back to Luigi Man Joan. At least you saw a guy, you know, utilize some mechanism and somebody fell down in front of him. You see that on that video footage.

You saw a guy a little pixel and then it the pixel moved this way and then the pixel sort of spider-maned off the building. And so that's where we are. That's where we were on September 13th and 14th. We had a screwdriver in the woods.

Per investigators, according to the investigators, we had a screwdriver in the woods. We had no DNA. We had no fingerprints. No fingerprints in the stairwell.

No fingerprints on the roof. No DNA in the stairwell. No DNA on the roof. No sweat drops.

Nothing. and you had a video footage that you couldn't even tell was a human being for most of it. And by the time you can tell it's a human being, you can't tell who it is. You don't know.

Is he white? Is he black? Is he Hispanic? Is he from Tonga?

I don't know. No idea where this guy's from. I have no nothing about him. All I know is he's not fat.

Per Officer Begley, who to be fair is an expert in heavy set. Sees it every morning. Every time he looks in the mirror, he knows what heavy set looks like. So he is a he's an expert.

I'd love to see his PE test results, PT test, excuse me. And so you had now the screwdriver is the only thing on campus, the only thing that puts him definitively on that roof. Chapter 7: Nothing Else Even Puts Tyler Robinson on Campus, Much Less the Roof And it got there because Cash Patel said it was there. And then later, 10 months later, Officer Baggley agrees it was up there.

But the only way he can put it there is to tell you his body cam footage died right before he saw it. Oh man, some of the worst luck we've ever had. So, let's go back to see can we even put Tyler Robinson on campus at all. We got maroon shirt Tyler here.

We got maroon shirt and blue short Tyler. This is one of the Tylers in parking level two. And one of the Tylers there. Uh we've got um black Tyler.

We'll call this black Tyler. We've got Tyler in black jeans and a black long sleeve shirt with a black backpack. There's black Tyler getting ready to walk into a the same parking garage, as a matter of fact. Uh black shirt.

It looks like blue jeans. I suppose maybe those could be considered black jeans, but they look kind of blue jeanish to me. So, that's two different Tylers. Now, we have hybrid Tyler, right?

We've got we've got maroon shirt, blue js Tyler. We've got black shirt, blue jeans Tyler. Now, we've got hybridized Tyler. 0 coming in strong.

He's still got still got the maroon shirt on. But now he's wearing blue jeans. A little piece of each. Little mix and match.

Like a guy who eats only chicken tenders, you know, only wears maroon shirts. Except when he's assassinating, then he'll put he'll put on a long sleeve black t-shirt. Other than that, he's maroon shirt guy. He's a maroon shirt guy.

Unless unless he's got to do some wet works. Um, we had a vehicle that they tell us is his on campus. They promised us, they double pinky swear that it's his. They could have just showed us the license plate.

That would have been easy, but they didn't. Instead, they go with the kind of looks like a car he might drive on September 10th, 2025. And And what leads you to believe this particular vehicle belongs to Mr. Robinson?

uh information uh that was provided um regards to driver's license and department of motor vehicle records. A vehicle fits the description of a vehicle owned by Mr. Robinson. The vehicle fits the description, meaning it's a gray Dodge Challenger.

And as we know, it's the only Dodge Challenger ever produced. It's a one of one. What' you say? Oh, it's not.

It's not one of one. I apologize, ladies and gentlemen. I assumed when he said that, that he was using the vehicle's description, Grey Dodge Challenger, to put Tyler Robinson on campus. I assumed was the only one ever produced.

I'm now learning there were tens of thousands of them sold. Why didn't you just look at his license plate? Wouldn't that have been a better indicator than Grey Dodge Challenger? No, no, no.

We can't have that. That would be too definitive. That might actually put him on campus. Um, yeah, but they didn't do the plate match and we know they didn't because we have additional testimony here.

Go forth regarding uh this interaction at that intersection. I did. Yes. And and what time was that interaction?

I'm sorry. Did I ask you that? m. uh on the 11th on September 11th, 2025.

So you talked to officer Goforth about that contact on the corner on that or during I guess during the early morning hours of the 11th, correct? And and what did Officer Go forth tell you about that interaction? Uh it it was an interaction that I guess I guess cop intuition, but there was something about the interaction that made him make a note of for the license plate of the vehicle. And then subsequently um when information was available that that vehicle or a vehicle matching the the description of that was involved in the incident, he ran the information that he had obtained from the stop and was able to identify that it was uh registered to Mr.

Robinson and he had in fact had contact with Mr. Robinson on the morning of September 11th, 2025. The the information that he ran, do do you want information he when you say that he ran information? Yes, he ran a partial plate.

Oh, he didn't even have the whole plate. He didn't have the whole plate, but he was sure it was him. This officer go forth. Now, I I will note that agent Hull here woke up.

I'm sure this had to be a surprise that he was going to testify. He must have learned that morning. There's no way he knew two weeks ahead of time he was going to testify. You know how I know that?

You know how I know that? David Hull could not possibly have known he was going to testify until the morning of the hearing because he came with that haircut. Like he could have he could have in two weeks you could have fixed that. You could have looked like a cop instead.

You look like a backup singer for the flock of seagulls. I guess in Utah that that passes for professional. I don't know. But I where I where I've worked in the past, that wouldn't have cut it.

No. No. You got to go home. You can't come here today like that.

You're going to have to cut that back. Yeah. We're not letting you have the uh uh Oh gosh, what was the There was a name of that. I don't know, man.

There was a name of the haircut. That was a popular haircut like five years ago. And and and it was like all the the alt-right people had that haircut. Officer Hull, do you want to tell us where you were on January 6th?

Oh, sorry. Sorry. And so you don't even have a whole license plate. m.

stop. m. stop. You don't even have a license plate.

So, not We don't have any license plate during the day. We just have a vehicle description that kind of looks like a Dodge Challenger. We ran do we ran Tyler Robinson's name through the Department of Motor Vehicles and we we got back that he drove a Dodge Challenger. Oh, that looks like a Dodge Challenger.

Got to be him. Only one of those made. [clears throat and laughter] Daisy said it looks like the looks like the singer pink the haircut. Yeah, it kind of does.

Kind of does. Well, surely surely all the things that we can put our hope and faith in to put them on that dad gum roof, we got to get them on the roof. Ladies and gentlemen, right now, our hopes and dreams that Tyler Robinson somehow was involved in this is a magic screwdriver that somehow in four days has flown flown, ladies and gentlemen, from the woods next to the gun to the top of the roof just about the time all the evidence collapsed all around him. They They're gonna have a field day with this at trial, by the way.

They're gonna have a field day with this at trial. Surely. Surely. Uh uh uh Fluffy Lance Twigs the furry can definitively finally put this thing to bed.

Let tell me that's him on the roof. Do you recognize the person in these images? All right. All six images are available to him.

He can see the faces in all six images at this moment. Do you recognize the person? That's the question on the table to Lance Twix. Do you recognize this person?

I wouldn't say with a 100% certainty. Just [clears throat] phto can't even put him on the roof. Sir, can you take your ears off? We're in a deposition.

Can you take the fur ears off and give it another gander? Because, sir, if you can't state with 100% certainty, the judge may not send this to trial. You're the only guy we're left with here because [clears throat] of the DNA has broken down. The sweat has broken down.

The fingerprints have broken down. You can't see anything on the video footage. Come on, Lance. Give it another look.

Come on, Lance. Camera quality, but that looks like him in terms of the shoes he's wearing, the sunglasses. I don't think I'd specifically seen him wearing that hat. I mean, he's got clothes on.

Officer, is this enough? What do you need? A man's got on jeans and shoes. Come on.

But he was a big hat guy, officer. He loved hats. Not that hat in particular. I've never seen that hat.

I lived with him for a long time. He wore hats every day, but for some reason, I've never seen that hat. But he was usually wearing a hat. But he liked hats.

Come on, officer. Now he's not walking up naked. That would be very unlike Tyler. Tyler always had clothes on.

always had clothes, jeans, shorts, shoes, hats, um, and then jeans. So, it I mean, guys, definitely especially the bottom, the last two. 9 minutesYeah. Notice you can't see hardly anything about what's going on with him when all of a sudden, and a sound from heaven comes down and lands on Lance Twigs.

angels. A choir of angels opens up. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

It definitely looks like him in those last two. Well, sir, you were looking at the last two when you said you couldn't identify him. We we we were just we were just here moments ago. You said you couldn't identify him in those last two pictures.

I had the last two pictures on the screen and you you were you were coming up with he's got shoes on. He's he's he has an affinity for hats. You see now why they had to move the screwdriver. You see why the screwdriver was so important?

So important. Officer Bagley's camera footage must have died or something. You get it? You get it?

Cuz if you're going to put him on the roof, you you got have something putting him there. You can't have no contact to the This is their locksolid bulletproof case. This is the most confident case they've ever brought in courtroom history. Clarence Darrow and Effle Bailey themselves would look at this case and be like, I can't defend that.

No, this is too locked solid. Are you kidding me? And screwdriver. How am I going to argue with a screwdriver?

They found a screwdriver on the roof, right? I mean, it's over. Open and shut. There's no video footage of him taking the shot.

His roommate can't really identify who he is. He's in three different outfits. The screwdriver originally was in over by the bushes, but now it's up on the roof. I mean, how can I how can how could you even begin to construct a defense on a case like that?

Anybody questioning this is like the people questioning Sandy Hook? It's people are are conmen. They're frauds. This is the most solid case in the history of mankind.

So, let's go back and look take a closer look at let's take a closer look at Bagley here because we have radio dispatch of Baggley. Believe it or not, Chapter 8: Bagley Testified Only Two Cops on Roof; Video Shows at Least Four we have Baggley on the radio. On the radio about the time he gets to the roof, he's describing the scenery up there. He's letting us know what's going on.

Of course, you're going to hear him talk about a screwdriver probably. Maybe. Come on, Bags. Come through for us, man.

We're trying to put the guy in jail. Tell me you mentioned the screwdriver. I've got a imprint of a body laying knees, head looks like elbows. So, somebody was something was right here.

No, something was right here. Knees, elbows. Is that how they say it in Utah? Elbows.

He's got elbows, ladies and gentlemen. E LBA S's elbows knees elbows. Any casing? I do not see a casing.

No casing. No casing. That's okay. That's a boltaction rifle.

We don't need a casing. That's that's that's a red herring. Tell us about the screwdriver, sir. But it is straight straight on.

I'm just in the south of you. Can you direct us? We got two guys running in. 3J's reporting from UHP.

A motorcycle wrong. Wait, wait a minute. We're moving on to motorcycles on the highway. Where's the screwdriver?

Officer Baggley. You found foot and knee imprints, elbows, but no screwdriver. Oh man, this is not going to go well. We're going to have to tell him your body camera footage died.

Am I suggesting he lied? Well, I'm suggesting a story change. I am I'm suggesting the story changed. The story had originally had the screwdriver in the bushes and now the screwdriver is allegedly on the roof.

But the guy who got to the roof did not describe seeing a screwdriver initially. He described everything else but not a screwdriver. Then who was up on the roof with you, sir? This is very important.

It is just going to be critical to this case. We have to know, were you alone up there? Could somebody else have been up there fiddling around with the scene? Could somebody else have been up there uh uh making it look like somebody was up there?

I don't even think the guy dropped a screwdriver up there because I don't think there was a screwdriver ever up there. I mean, a lot of people are speculating, oh, they turned the body camera footy off and someone threw the screwdriver down. I don't even think so. I don't think there was a screwdriver there to begin with.

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So, let's listen to who was on the roof with him. We know this, and this is going to be important in a second because we actually have footage of this moment in just a second. It appears to me from reviewing your body camera that there was another individual who was with you that went to the Losi building who was in civilian clothing, but appeared to have a gun. Who was that?

I I don't know who he was exactly. He he would have had a badge on and I had somebody with me to back me up, so I ran up the stairs to make sure I had somebody with me. See, that's that's that's unfortunate. Ladies and gentlemen, I have not been postcertified, meaning I've not been to peace officer standards training school, but I have a boatload of common sense.

A boatload. [clears throat] And I am well aware you can buy badges online. I mean, you can buy badges for every department in the country. You can go just about anywhere and get a badge.

I could be a US Marshal. I could be a member of the FBI. I could be State Bureau of Tennessee, uh, Texas, Utah. Just about any podunk town in America I can get a a badge to.

Um, that's who you were on the roof with. Okay. But that's him only. Okay.

That's what he says. Only that guy. You don't know what agency he's from or where he's from. No.

And he it looked like he had a pistol. Is that right? A handgun. Yes.

A handgun. Yeah. Um and so the two of you go to the Losi building. Yes.

Did when you reviewed the videotape at the police department later, did you check to see if anyone had been on the Losi building after the shooting after this individual had jumped off that you've already talked about? Was there anybody else on the roof? Did you check and see in that gap of time? In that gap of time?

No. So once I put up the barrier, I only walked walked up to about that point. and I went down and reviewed the video from that moment on. So, were you able to see?

Are you able to say for one way or the other? If anyone else had been on that roof in between when the person jumped off the building and when you came on the roof, were you able to say one way the other? Uh, there was people up there looking for an individual that ran that way because when I first got told the individual ran heading north that we didn't know where the shooter was, so we started climbing up and looking clearing the building and it wasn't until I went to the PD and actually saw him jump off of the building that I knew he was off the building. Let me rephrase that because I think I I either asked it badly or you misunderstood me.

So, let me let me go back again. So from the time that was a very polite way of saying are you being an idiot right now? Are you being obstinate or are you really this stupid? There are two points in time sir.

Point A and point B. I'm asking about the time between them. Point A is when the guy jumped off the roof. Point B is when you showed up.

Everything between the guy jumping off the roof and you showing up is what I'm asking about. Can you say if anyone else was on that roof? That the individual that you spotted on the video jumped off the roof. Right.

the individual that you thought was in the prone position. Okay. Between that and when you got on the roof, did you ever check to see if anybody else had been on the roof in that period of time? Yeah, I didn't see anybody.

So, you did watch you didn't did you look on the video to see that entire Okay, that's what I'm asking. So, you did not review the video to see if there was someone between you, that individual jumping off, and you coming on if anybody had been on or disturbed that scene anyway. Okay. But once you put the tape up, you're then we're confident from that point on the scene was preserved, right?

Um, by the way, where did you get that tape? Uh, officers responded on the scene that he was down on the bottom and threw it up to me. So, okay. So, you didn't have it on you?

No. And you didn't leave the scene to go get it? No. Someone threw it up.

Yes. Great. So, the only people on the roof are him and plain clothes guy with with what could be a fake badge and a handgun. That's the only person he identifies on the roof.

Well, ladies and gentlemen, we actually have footage from nearly that exact moment in time. like from almost the exact moment in time. He says he got to the roof at 12:44 or . 12:44 or .

Well, we have been able to through the inevitable life is driving. We've been able to go back in time and look because very conveniently he was filming that exact moment in time and we could tell how many people are on the roof. This is not like difficult to do. We we can count you can if you at one hand you can count all the people up there.

Uh so here he is wandering around. This is just a couple of minutes after when he said he went up there and you can see that's the Losi center in the background and there's one guy right there standing at the top. Now we don't know if that's Baggley or plain clothes guy or somebody else. We're not going to make the mistake that Benny Johnson and Officer Tater Tot and uh undercover intelligence asset Jack Basobic are making.

No, we're not going to make that mistake. " Cuz I don't. But I do know that's a person. I know that's a person.

And I know there's one person there. So, we keep watching. We keep watching. Let me kill the sound here.

Uh, and then he gets a little closer. And he gets a little closer. We're going to go about another minute. Oh, our guy's missing.

Where'd he go? Our guy is missing at this point. He's nowhere to be found. 19 minutesThat is the Losi building.

There we see no people. So, we go forward a little bit more. Little bit more. We're now about three or four minutes after he said he arrived.

Oh, there's a buddy. There's somebody. Look. Look.

We have somebody on the roof. There's a guy right there. There's a guy right there. And he looks less pixelated in this view if we're being honest.

He looks less pixelated. He's on the roof. But here are two other people on the roof. There's a guy there and a guy there.

See these low See this middle level? There's a guy there on the roof. There's a guy here on the roof. There's a guy up here on the roof.

Okay. So, there's three, but only one on the top level. I'll give you that. I'll give you that.

So, we allow the situation to develop just a little more. That's a good view of whoever that is. That does not look like Officer Baggley if I'm being honest because we had an image of what Officer Bagley was wearing. He had a dark shirt on.

This guy's a light shirt on. That could be plain closed, unknown agency guy. Well, really, it could be anybody. I have no idea who that guy is.

So, now we Oh, look, a maroon shirt. Now we wander around to the other side of the building. We're going to walk up this way. We're a couple minutes away now.

[clears throat] We get to the side. This is so nice of of Life is Driving to have captured absolutely every critical moment of this crime in a stunning 4K detail. So now he's kind of positioning himself here. We're going to get a view of more officers on the roof.

Oh, what? What are those three people doing? What are those three people doing? That's three people on the roof.

You see them here? See this atrium thing on the top of the roof? This large glass structure on the top of the roof. Look to the left of it.

Again, I'm not going to pull a tater tot. I'm not going to tell you this is stunning 4K HD. I can count the nose hairs in each nostril, but I'll be honest and I can say I have lived long enough that I can count to three. I can count to three.

I can do it on one hand. Watch this. One, two, three. I can count it this way.

One, two, three. And I can count it this way. One, two, three. I can count three three different ways on one hand.

I could even kind of do it like the Texas Aggies do it if you need me to. I mean, there's lots of ways I can do it. I can do it that way. I mean, get really weird and do it Erica Kirk style.

I mean, I I can count to three as many ways as you need me to, but I know that's more than two, but surely those are the only three. He wouldn't be off by 100%, would he? Would he? Please, please tell me you're not off by 100%.

Oh, goodness gracious. Are Are you off by 100%. What's that on the right side of this atrium here? What's this thing right here?

Is that another person? Well, we'll we'll see. We'll see. It's grainy footage.

Oh. Oh, it is a person. God damn it. That there's four people up there.

This is the time period where he's telling you only two people were on the roof. There's four people on the roof. In fact, he had to get the tape thrown up to him because no one else was up there. Now, I can only count to four so many ways.

You know, you're running out of fingers. I can count to three a lot of ways, but four, I'm kind of limited. But that's a fourth person on the roof. And I'll say this, none of these guys are wearing light shirts, which puts a fifth person on the roof.

All these all four of these people have dark shirts on. So, plain clothes, white shirt guy or light shirt guy isn't even accounted for here. We don't know where he is. We don't know if he's still on the roof.

We don't know if he himself is Spider-Man off the roof. Did he take the stairs? Did he take the lift? That's for you uh British people.

We have no idea what's going on at this moment in time. But we know there are twice as many people on that roof within about of when Mr. Bagley said that there were only two people on the roof. I I have a real problem with that.

If we're being honest, I have a real issue with that. We're being honest. Because here's what this comes down to. There is no hard evidence that Tyler Robinson was on that roof with a 300 6 that he engaged the 306 and took Charlie Kirk's life with it.

There's no evidence. It takes a great deal of faith. I have to believe you. I have to believe what you say.

That what you say you found was where you said you found it. I have a hard time believing that when your body cam 24 minutesfootage dies an hour and into your shift, right at the most critical moment of the investigation. I have a hard time believing that when you radio in that you've discovered a sniper perch. You're looking for a shell, but you didn't mention the dadgum screwdriver you just found.

You remembered it enough to talk about it at the hearing, but you don't remember it to talk about it here. I have a hard time believing you guys when the screwdriver allegedly, at least investigators were telling reporters Chapter 9: What Did We Learn? Be Honest and Transparent if You Want to be Believed that the screwdriver was in the bushes until such a time that the DNA and fingerprints came back and nothing tied Tyler Robinson to the roof and all of a sudden the screwdriver magically appears on the roof. See, if you're if I'm sitting in the witness stand, I mean, if I'm sitting in the jury box and you're asking me to trust you, you can't do this, you can't be this wrong on this many points.

At a certain point, you lose all credibility. I don't have to trust you anymore. And this is the problem with this whole case. It all comes down to a matter of trust.

Do I trust what you're telling me? They open talking about the TPSA people, whether they were involved in some way either before or after, involved in planning and executing or involved in some sort of cover up. I don't know. But if you want me to believe you weren't, don't get caught lying all the time.

Be honest, people. Be forthcoming. " Like, if it comes out of your mouth, it's the truth. It has to be.

You can't possibly be caught being dishonest at all. Because if you are, people are using that dishonesty to doubt us. They're casting aspersions on us. And why wouldn't they?

We're being dishonest. 26 minutesWe've been caught time and time again being. And that's a problem. It's messy.

You're making a clean case messy by being dishonest. I think had TPS USA never been caught in any kind of fibs, if they'd been straightforward from the beginning with every aspect of this case. [clears throat] I think we're sitting in a different posture here 10 months and 11 days after the event. But when you have people changing their stories, not remembering where they were, not acting frankly like people who should be how people should be acting in the immediate aftermath.

I played that video Sunday night of everybody sort of mosying into the hospital. Danny Phillip, Mikey McCoy, Blake Nef, um who else was with him? Nate Walker. They're just sort of mosying into the hospital not in any particular hurry.

No real explanation of where they'd been, what time they got there, why they had to call each other on the phone for . I mean, none of this has been explained. We raised the question of where were people in the immediate aftermath. Where did you get where were you when you got the news?

I remember where I was. I was sitting right here looking at well, it's a different computer, but I was looking at a computer screen right there. almost exactly where this computer screen is now. And that's that's where I got the news.

A friend of mine called. He knew Charlie, knew him well. He was devastated. He couldn't believe it.

And um I have a hard time believing the people that were there with them don't have a pretty keen recollection of what happened that day, where they were that night, where they were that morning. But they don't. And I have a problem with the fact that there's no understanding that when you have a really high-profile political assassination and it's not cut and dry. Some some political assassinations are pretty cut and dry, but most aren't.

Most are [clears throat] complex. Most have some underlying questions, and there's always a suspicion when there's a high-profile political assassination that there's something bigger happened, right? Um the the attack on Gerald Ford by one of the Manson family members. He actually had two attacks on his life in a very short period of time, like a month.

It makes you wonder if there wasn't somebody looking to take him out other than the two crazy people who tried. Uh the attack on Ronald Reagan, it makes you wonder, was there somebody who was trying to take him out? The killing of John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King, RFK, Malcolm X.

Is there some common theme or was there some individual circumstances around each one of those that was bigger than the individual person who was alleged to have done it? Something bigger than Siran Sirhan, something bigger than uh James Earl Ray, something bigger than um Lee Harvey Oswald. You you can't fault people for asking the question. You can't fault people who who get all lthered up because one of the people they liked or they respected or they just terrified that, oh my gosh, high-profile political figures are being picked off on this country.

We need to get a handle on what's happening here. You can't blame them for asking the question, especially when, as we discussed tonight, the evidence doesn't seem to make sense. Looks like things are being shuffled around in order to blame somebody. Looks like uh you know it's just hard for most people to believe a guy drives on campus at , wanders around, drives off campus, immediately walks back on campus, wanders around, walks off campus, immediately walks back on campus, and he's in three different outfits.

It's hard for people to believe. It's just hard for people to believe. Hard for people to believe that he comes on campus, makes contact with a TPUSA representative, walks back to his car, drives off, but just long enough to park and turn around and walk right back, and then decides he'd like a a Chick-fil-A. 72 miles from where he parked, and then gets in the prone position, takes a shot.

It's just it's a weird set of circumstances. So, when we're asking these questions, the best thing you can do is be honest. Here's where I was. Here's who I was with.

Here's how you can prove it. It's natural for people to ask the the closest when when evidence isn't adding up when there's too much weirdness going on when you when you literally carried the guy by his shirt and pants to the car and literally chucked him in the car like a side of beef. I'm not going to show it cuz it's gruesome. The ev the footage is out there.

You can watch it. And when you watch it, keep in mind there was no one on the other side to receive him when they chucked him in the car like a side of beef. I have more respect for a dead dog. I don't think I would chuck a dog in a car like that who's already dead.

I mean, there was no one on the other side. It's not like somebody's like, "Here, I got him. I got him. " And then we'll slow.

No, no. Everyone who was assisting was on this side. They opened the door and started shoving him in the car before hightailing it out of there. 60 80 or 100 miles down the road and along the way thought we should update a podcaster in Florida.

Ben Shapiro lives in Florida. He's a podcaster. We should call him. We should call him and let him know what's going on.

ou look at all these inconsistencies. " And you go, "I don't kill you, you sicko. What are you, a stalker? That's a weird reaction, sir.

I think it's a pretty legitimate question right now that something weird happened here. May or may not be Tyler Robinson, but while we're asking the questions and while all the evidence looks a little weird, maybe you could enlighten us on where you were. Well, I was on a airplane. That's what I learned.

You could read the New York Times. I was on the airplane. That's where I learned he died. Why did everybody else on the planet know an hour before your airplane took off?

Oh, well. Well, maybe I was somewhere else. That's why. Where were you?

I don't know. I'd tell you, sicko. You stalker. No, I think you should answer that question.

Where were you? Where were you? And why is somebody at an aviation sales company unable to confirm or deny where you were, whether you were with them at the airport? You're not supposed to be at the airport.

You're supposed to be allegedly supposed to be with your mom. Andrew Covette, where were you? Were you on the airplane? You you did a pre-record for hour two, which would have given you time to get to the airport to catch an earlier plane that for whatever reason flew from Provo before Charlie got taken down, landed in Santa Barbara immediately before Charlie got taken down and then flew off took off after like within minutes of Charlie getting taken down.

One wonders who was on that plane. Well, I don't have to tell you. Well, I was on a later plane. Okay.

You have any evidence you were on the later plane? Cuz that plane didn't even go back to Provo. It went to Scotsdale. What do What's going on here?

Why can't they tell us who was on that plane? It was a plane that was fing TPUSA people around all day. It fied people from Scottsdale to Provo in the morning and then it went from Provo to Santa Barbara, back to Scottsdale. So, who was on the plane?

Was somebody hustling to get to Santa Barbara? Was somebody hustling to get from Santa Barbara to Scotsdale? Tell us. We don't have to tell you.

Here, we've got a two-bit lowbudget blogger no one's ever heard of that whose name [clears throat] doesn't even make sense. House inhabit. We don't know what that means. Talk to her.

She has our She has our itinerary. Why? Why does she have your itinerary? Well, that's weird, sir.

Why don't Why don't you have your itinerary? Why can't you just show us the email where they confirmed it and and you could just open it. You could do it online. I could do that.

I could screen record me opening a PDF and an email and show here you go. Here you go. Any other questions? But no, I mean everything's ky, everything's weird.

Everything's suspicious. And when you make everything ky and weird and suspicious and people ask follow-up questions, you then can't get upset. You then can't get upset. 35 minutesYou can't say you guys are evil and demonic because there's nothing putting Tyler Robinson on the roof and you guys are asking why.

Therefore, you're evil and demonic. No, you're trying to put someone to death. The screwdriver was in the woods. The DNA and the fingerprints came back and they said, "Guys, I got bad news.

We can't put Tyler Robinson anywhere in that building, much less on the roof. We'll just put the screwdriver up. I mean, that's kind of what it seems like. And if that's what happened, we want to know why.

Why is this setup being happened? Why is evidence being moved? And if the evidence wasn't moved, why didn't he mention finding the screwdriver on the radio? Why didn't he mention finding the screwdriver initially?

Why did everybody think the screwdriver was in the woods? The screwdriver has become the single most important piece of evidence in this entire trial. More than the gun, more than the bullet, it's a screwdriver. If Tyler Robinson is not on that gun, I don't on that roof.

I don't care what happened to Charlie Kirk. It wasn't You cannot pin it on Tyler Robinson. We got to come up with another explanation. Those are your only options.

And if the screwdriver was moved in any way, if if there's any footage from any of those other officers milling around up there and they don't see a screwdriver, we got a real problem on our hands. I need to see pictures of the screwdriver on the roof. Now, if the screwdriver's up there, great. The hell's he doing with the screwdriver?

That's that that that puts his DNA on the roof. That's some evidence that at least some part of him, something, some object he touched ended up on the roof, but it's not evidence he was on the roof. We got to know what he was doing with the screwdriver. Is the screwdriver important?

Does he have to have the screwdriver? Could the crime have happened without the screwdriver? Is there a reason why he's chucking screwdrivers out as he's going about his day? I have screwdrivers I've had for 25 years that I got as a wedding present.

Oh. I don't just chuck them out as I'm wandering walking down the street. Certainly, if I just committed a high-profile crime, I'm not throwing them out left and right as I'm going down the road. Why did he Why haven't we seen a picture of the screwdriver?

Is it a Phillips head? Is it a flathead? An electronic screwdriver? What is this thing?

What brand is it? How long is it? How big is it? Why so much secrecy around a screwdriver?

It's the single most important piece of evidence in this case. They don't have his license plate on campus. They have a description of his car. They don't have him on campus.

They have a guy wandering around in in shorts and a t-shirt. You can't blame us for not being satisfied, for not being wellelmed. I'm not wellelmed. I remain not whelmed by the amount of evidence you put forward.

And I don't even have to get to the wound at this point. I don't have to get to any conspiracy theories about palm guns and drones and explosions and microphones and electromagnetic field. I don't have to get to any of this to start asking questions. So don't come at me with this con man, you guys are evil, all this stuff, unless you have answers for all these questions.

Unless you have answers for all these questions. then you can say whatever you want and then I'll evaluate what you have to say and I'll see whether I agree with it. If I disagree with it, I'll tell you why. But you can't push back and act like we're doing something wrong right now.

You just can't. You can't. We're doing what any normal person does when evaluating a legal case. There's been these cases that have popped up over the years that have taken a national priority.

Casey Anthony took on a national priority for a little while. Everybody in the country had an opinion on the Casey Anthony case. Some of us still do. Karen Reed came on the scene, people had an opinion.

Murdo came on the scene, people had an opinion. People popped up. They did podcast, you know. Uh uh one of the people covering this case, I can't think of her first name.

Her last name is Birkhart. Amanda Birkhart, something like that. Uh she does a good job. She has like a repository of all the documents she's able to pull.

You know, we've gone on her website and looked. We compared it to what's on Utah Exchange. Um, you know, she made her name covering other cases. This is a thing.

The turtle boy or whatever. He made his name covering a case. That's not unusual. You can't look at that and say that means he's evil.

No, it means he he had a good take. I mean, she had a good take and people were intrigued by her coverage and they wanted to learn more about a high-profile criminal case. It's the same thing that's happening here, guys. And if you were just honest, if you just spoke the truth, if you were just forthcoming, there would not be all this speculation.

There wouldn't be all these questions. I told you you'd have to pay me 25. Well, I started at five, then I went to 15, then I went to 25. Pay me $25 million, I'll come in and fix Deep USA.

I'll give it to you for free right now. From this point forward, you guys answer every question as best as you can to the extent you're allowed to. I mean, obviously, there's some things you're probably not allowed to discuss. Answer every question.

Don't get caught in another lie. Andrew got caught fibbing the other day about where the kids were. It's not a necessary lie. It just makes you look bad.

No one really cares where they are. They care that you lied. It's all about the cover up. Don't get caught lying.

Be forthcoming and apologize. Apologize for the times you've been caught lying. You know what, guys? It's the first time we've ever been through this.

We weren't sure how to handle it, and we handled it poorly to this point. But I can assure you, we're not going to handle it poorly going forward. We're going to be straight shooters. We're going to borrow a phrase from 2008 John McCain, the straight shooting express or whatever he called it, straight talk express.

We're just going to straight talk until the day is done. What What would you like to know? Be happy to tell you. You want to see my itinerary?

Here it is. What else? What can else can I help you with? See how different that is?

You don't have to go on spaces and be pretentious and condescending. 42 minutesYou don't have to send out your little minions to attack and belittle and call people evil and con men and all this. You don't have to do that. You don't do that.

It makes you look guilty. What guilty people do. What guilty people do. We don't want to think you're guilty.

We want to think you're honest, straightforward, forthcoming. So, go back to the drawing board. Fire the consultants who've led you down this path. Look in the mirror.

and say, "What would I want to know about the JFK case? What would I want to know about the RFK case or the MLK case? " Cuz I think those are all fair questions. Now, what questions would people want to ask us?

I think those are also fair questions. And answer them. Do unto others the way you'd have them do unto you. If there's something you would want to know about the JFK, we'd all like to solve that.

43 minutesWho did it? What is it about the autopsy? Was it legitimate? I don't think so.

The JFK autopsy was not legit. The little bullet found on the gurnie. Nonsense. The state taking custody of the body and shipping it all over the PL.

Foolishness. What really happened in there? Just be honest. Answer the questions.

answer the questions. If you don't, it's doesn't go away. And you can't play the victim because this case has real issues like we discussed tonight on just one piece of evidence. Real issues.

It's not just this one piece of evidence. There's there's every piece of evidence you bring up has these kinds of problems. You can you can try to say all day long, a you guys is open and shut. You guys are crazy.

No. No, we're not. No, we're not. We want to know how the the the screwdriver moved.

We see the motivation for moving it. We want to know if that's what happened. We want to know why the body cam footage died. We see the motivation for the body cam footage dying now that we realize they had to move the screwdriver.

Just answer the question. Why? Why have we changed so many positions? Why have we supported politicians Charlie didn't like?

and opposed politicians he did. I mean, just be forthcoming. Just say Charlie's not here anymore. The people in charge now don't like those people.

It's a different organization. Same name, but there's new leadership. New leadership doesn't like Thomas Massie. I know Charlie did.

We don't. Next question. You have to lie. Well, you know, if Charlie was here, we think he would be opposed to Thomas Massie.

Nonsense. That's foolishness. That's absolute foolishness. Just be honest.

We don't like Massie. We don't understand why Charlie liked Massie. But Charlie was running the joint. But now Erica's running the joint.

She doesn't like him. What's hard about that? What's hard about that? You don't have to sue people.

You don't have to send letters. You don't have to argue with people. You don't have to be condescending. You don't have to debate.

You don't have to go out into X spaces and belittle and condescend. You just be decent. Be a decent person. Decent person.

Speaking of a decent person, I was going to go into the story about U. Erica Kirk calling Candace all kinds of names and how she actually prefers it sounds like according to family friends how she prefers Tyler Robinson over Candace Owens. I have a strong opinion about that. If I get to it tomorrow, I will.

Um if not, I'll uh I'll come back another time and get to it, but I I don't have it in me to do it tonight. Um I'm so I'm so irritated I'm so irritated by the way this case has been handled. I don't know if Murdo or Karen Reed or Casey Anthony had minions going out there attacking everybody every step of the way who were claiming they were I don't know maybe they did but but the attacks just let me know in my opinion that I think I'm right kind of what it feels like. Kind of what it feels like.

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Erika Kirk Calls Me "That B*tch”. More Exclusive Photos From Charlie's SUV. | Ep 363
Candace Owens
Streamed live on Jul 21, 2026 Candace Owens

Daily Mail drops an article claiming Erika Kirk called me "that b*tch", we have more never before seen photos of the SUV Charlie was transported to the hospital in, and Turning Point is equating what they call "conspiracy theories" about Charlie's death with Sandy Hook victimization.



Transcript

Chapter 1: Start. All right, you guys. Happy Tuesday. So, rather unexpectedly yesterday, I was informed by a Daily Mail reporter who was seeking comment that Erica Kirk was about to go on the attack against me in the press.

The article did drop yesterday evening, and it is quite shocking. Erica, according to a family friend, refers to me as that that bee in the privacy, I guess, of her own comfort of her home and at the office. I actually quite appreciated the article. Uh, and I'm going to tell you why that is.

But first, we have two more neverbeforeseen photos of the SUV that Charlie was transported to the hospital in. And there's another interesting object that might complicate or perhaps further clarify matters of what happened. Also, if you are paying attention, Turning Point is attempting to shift the public discussion in a very dangerous way. They keep equating what they term to be conspiracy theories about Charlie's death, what they mean is people asking questions, with Sandy Hook victims.

They're calling this like Sandy Hook victimization. They are signaling again if you are paying attention that they want people or maybe just one particular person to be bankrupted for asking meaning meaningful questions about their founders's death. So we should discuss that. It's very important.

Welcome back to Candace. Chapter 2: New photos from inside the SUV. Where to begin? Well, let's begin with that car ride to the hospital.

That increasingly complicated approximately 7 minute ride to the hospital. Approximate seven minutes, right? As usual, I would like to simply have answers provided. Look, I I don't want to be the person that's constantly on a hunt for basic answers.

That's not a good use of my time. That's my most precious resource, by the way. Time. I don't want to be working on side quests like helping Blakey Nef remember what he was doing in Salt Lake City that morning, who he was with.

I don't want to waste my time having to referee fights between Frank Churik and Frank Turk. I'd rather not do that. I'd rather we all just sit down for an open and public forum where every question is asked and the public gets to consume that and everyone can feel better and end this quest. But of course, from the very beginning, as we have all seen, Turning Point USA employees and Charlie Kirk show employees have just been stonewalling us, right?

It's been the opposite of helpful. Uh they have not been forthcoming about anything. They're growing increasingly accusatory. They just want us to honor Charlie by honoring the widow with our cold hard cash.

That is what the messaging has felt like. I cannot do that. In fact, I have failed at obeying that mandate. Rather, from the very beginning of this thing, I have been gathering information and evidence which I thought initially and many would think that Turning Point USA would be grateful for that that's what they'd be using their resources for.

If you're going to overwork people at Turning Point USA and tell your employees to get to the office, why not just gather every piece of information you can about that day? I'd prefer that over a t-shirt and a tent. Anyway, we continue. We persist.

And today, we do so with two more never before seen photos of the SUV that transported Charlie to the hospital. And I'm going to show you the first. Here it is. So this is to be clear the back seat door left side driver side and it is 4 minuteswhat is shoved into that little pocket there that has caught our eye.

What is in that door compartment? Let's zoom in. Well, now we cannot definitively state what it is. What I can tell you is that across the board in my our little orbit at home independent double blind study if you will, everyone immediately saw a glove, myself included.

Take that for what it's worth. I mean, I went up to my husband, zoomed in, gave him no context as usual. " Uh, I sent it to Baron Coleman. " The material of the glove has varied, but no one has offered anything else in terms of what they see.

And so I can we just decided to grab some gloves, right? We from our one leather, one nitro and took a look at that. When I say nitro gloves, think like chef gloves um that you see them wearing. That's a that's a nitro glove that's kind of made from a synthetic rubber.

So, we decided to take our little uh experiment further because I was then going that looks like the ent like it's just folded on itself. That looks like it's the entry to the glove. Someone just took off their gloves and threw it in there. We decided to do some science here.

We can recreate it. I have nitro gloves. So, we decided to then just drop some in a car door for comparison. And here is what we came up with.

There you go. That is in our door. We'll show you again. That is in our door.

We'll show you again. That's our door nitro gloves. And again, our door nitro gloves. I think we can do a side by side.

Did we do a side by side for comparison? Um, and in order to get that image, just to be clear, we had to wear the glove, have uh somebody wear the glove, take off the glove like this. So that top that you're seeing is technically inside out, right? and then just thrown into the side like so.

We didn't have the exact same car obviously that's a smaller compartment. Ours is wider. I think it looks like it's a glove. Which of course leads us to the next question.

Why would there be a glove, any kind of glove for that matter, um, put into the side of the car there? It's a good question, right? And again, I'd like to note that this glove is located inside of the left side rear doors where where Rick Cutler was seated. And you should also note that in general, the door, if we can take that wide shot again, it's relatively clean, right?

This is a relatively clean door. So I don't think this particular side of the door any I should say any blood soaked men who needed to be changed um into surgeon uh scrubs exited through this door. I think that's that that would be a fair guess by looking at this. And again, this is in the immediate aftermath.

This is not after the car is cleaned up. And you'll I can make that apparent in the in the next picture. Anyway, um the only place that we could see blood on this door was just there at the handle. So, we're zooming in so you can see that.

I'm not sure how gloves, nitro gloves would fit into the story. We were not going to say those are Brian Harples. Obviously, his hands were already bloodied. Is he going to jump in and then put on gloves?

That seemed that that makes entirely no sense. Why would you do that? Why would you then put on nitro gloves and then hand them over to be put onto the opposite side of where you were sitting? That doesn't make any sense that he would have on gloves in my opinion.

Um, outside of keeping your fingerprints off of something, 8 minuteswho would put on gloves if those are gloves? You know what I was thinking? I was thinking, where are those scissors that Brian Harpull used to cut Charlie's shirt? Did the fed seize those scissors?

He cut. He said he cut the shirt. Whose scissors did he use? Were the hospital scissors?

That's a question I guess I could ask in court. Where are those scissors? Did Brian Harpo cut the shirt? Did somebody else cut the shirt in the car?

Cuz that was a that was one of a People thought that could have been a shirt in that back seat on the side, which Ryan, you know, that would have been Rick Cutler's side in the back seat. Did somebody else cut his shirt? I don't know. Everything remains plausible when people are telling I'm sorry, how did Frank Cherk term it?

Not contradicting stories. They're just having different memories of the same event, which is normal. When people are having different memories of the same event, everything remains plausible. Here is a second never-before-seen photo.

And it's another shot of that mysterious object that many people, surgeons included, have identified as a burned shirt. Again, we can't say that definitively, but I'll tell you what I like about this photo before we get close to it. Maybe it is a burned shirt. Maybe it's not a burned shirt.

Um, I don't I don't know. Just like I don't know why the feds would want this car immediately released, towed, cleaned up, and resold so fast. None of that makes any sense to me. Why wasn't the car impounded for evidence?

Anyhow, this second photo is actually very clear and allows us to zoom in on that item. Um, and you can see we're back. The mints are back there and you can just get a clearer picture of that item that is in that back seat, which some people believe to be the remnants of a shirt. " Well, have at it.

Another shot. Um, I don't know what to think, but I I do believe that uh since no one has been convicted of this crime, it is our right uh to continue to investigate it and to assist hopefully the prosecution and the defense. Truth. it.

I just want to assist whoever actually wants the truth with evidence that I don't think the public was ever meant to see. Maybe they were maybe throughout the court court case this stuff was going to come out. Chapter 3: Questions about the ride to the hospital. I have to say there is a lot that is now growing increasingly curious about that day, that ride to the hospital, other rides to the hospital.

For example, recently on his show, Baron Coleman pulled a clip of Blake Nef arriving to the hospital with Danny Phillip. That's Charlie's uh second assistant, third assistant, Mikey McCoy, and Nate Walker. We're going to get to that clip in a moment, but it made me revisit Mikey McCoy's call logs. Like I said, we're at this stage in the investigation now where it's good to pause and reflect and go back and remember the things that we were told, things that we found out.

And initially when I sat down with Erica, I did not know who Danny Phillip was. How could I have known? He was new, right? New as in started working full-time in May after he graduated out of school.

I think I did meet him in a long time ago when he was uh working for the Ohio State chapter with the Ohio State chapter, but I didn't know he was working with Turning Point USA full-time. And I made an assumption that Danny Phillip was someone that Mikey was making calls to back in Arizona after the assassination. So, I was like, "Oh, wait. " So, just to jog your memory and hopefully to jog Blake Nef's memory, Danny Phillip, Charlie's new assistant, showed up to the event with Blake Nef in an SUV.

So, two SUVs were rented by Mikey McCoy in Salt Lake City. And Blake Nef and Danny got into one SUV. They don't remember, or Blake Nef, I shouldn't speak for Danny. Blake Nef doesn't remember where they went in Salt Lake City.

Charlie went to the restaurant event. Um, he had Mikey McCoy and Nate Walker with him. And then they all went to Provo uh for this event. Now, I believe that Danny was driving the SUV.

I feel like I saw that somewhere. I did not fact check that myself, but Danny and Blake Nef were in that second SUV together. I don't know if there were other people there. What we do know is that Danny and Blake were standing on opposite sides of the tent when the sound of the explosive rang out.

Danny Phillip was standing next to Butch Hibbs. So, that's on Charlie's right side. You can see him there um next to Butch Hibs and Blake was as we all know standing next to Mikey McCoy on Charlie's left side. Now after that sound rang out uh Blake is the first to gallop away as one would expect.

He sort of prances forward. Mikey, as we know, immediately presses his phone to his ear and walks away and calls his wife Elizabeth. Never mind that for weeks following the assassination. Everyone lies about that.

They tell us repeatedly that he immediately called Erica as he was trained to do by Charlie. Everyone he was trained. He did exactly what he was supposed to immediately called Erica. Erica even in the New York Times interview that she gave 8 days later said that at 11:23 um obviously adjusting for time 12:23 I guess uh in uh local time Utah 11:23 her time she was looking at her phone and within seconds Mikey called her.

Um then we found out months later that actually no Mikey called his own wife first and Erica was added to that phone call three minutes later. So, we're going to take a look at those phone calls as I run you further through the timeline. This is Mikey McCoy's call logs. So, just after Charlie is hit at , Blake and Mikey are back together and they're speaking and coordinating.

We know this because Blake, who now suffers from various bouts of amnesia, at one point remembered that part very clearly. Take a listen. I was not with Mikey immed or I don't remember being with him. I think I was ahead of him as we left and then we get out and I run for must have can't have been more than 15 or .

And then I realize there hasn't been another shot. So the shooter has likely been detained or stopped or something. Not in immediate danger. I pause.

I look around me and I see Mikey. And I see Mikey there. And I'll never, truthfully, I will never forget what I saw because I've seen Mikey almost every day for the past two years. Uh, I know his personality very well.

He's a very bubbly guy. He's a very happy guy almost all of the time. And I'll never forget what I saw because it was clear in the moment that he was 15 minutesprofoundly freaked out. What I'll always remember is the way his his lip was quivering, which I'd never seen before.

And you you very rarely see from someone that he was freaking out. " And he then he takes his phone and he begins calling Erica. And I don't want to disclose how that call unfolded, but he did that this, you know, your mind extends all of this, but that is happening within a minute of all of this occurring. I remember he calls Erica.

I around the same time I pull out my phone and I call my mom just to say, "Mom, there's been a shooting. You're going to see it on the news. I'm okay. You know, pray for me.

" And I remember that call. And around the time I I put that phone away and then he immediately calls his dad. He calls Robin McCoy and he says, "Dad, someone shot Charlie. You need to call all of your pastor friends.

Charlie was hit. " And that's what he told him. Okay. So, yeah, he just forgot the part where he was already on the phone with his wife.

Mikey's discussion with Erica, we know, lasted less than two minutes. The fact that has always kind of bothered me. I would have questions perhaps, but you know, who is to judge that immediate trauma of getting that news? We do know that she's going to say I effing knew it, right?

That's what she tells I believe Jesse Waters. That's certainly what she told the New York Times. She knew it. But I digress because the big thing that I wanted to point out is this phone call with um Danny Phillip who was presumably with them.

Why on earth did Danny and Mikey jump on the phone for a full in the middle of this chaos? So let's pull that back up. Let's pull that timeline, please. So he's right.

He calls Rob and merges that call. They're on all these three-way calls and then he ends his phone call with Rob McCoy. ends his phone call with Elizabeth McCoy. That gives us a total of like he's on the phone with his wife for , 10 minutes.

And then Danny calls Mikey and they stay on the phone for . They're together. Blake Nefrode with Danny. That's the only SUV that is left.

They all ran in the exact same direction. This suddenly registers to me as an extraordinarily long phone call in the middle of this mayhem. a long phone call. Um, a lot of things going on, a lot of people to speak to the person next to you.

Now, maybe maybe Justin Strife, we have a couple options here. Maybe Justin Strife and Eric lied to me and it wasn't Danny Phillip that he was on the phone with. I don't know. I don't I don't think so.

But I can't make sense of that phone call in the middle of everything when they're together. Danny, Blake, and Mikey all run in the same direction direction. They get into the same car. Their cars are parked right next to one anothers.

What are they conversing about for 10 full minutes? ish. Blake says they arrived later. I'm going to forgive him that.

I mean, you're estimating at that point. m. because the local news caught a live feed of them walking into Temponogo's hospital. And this is what Baron Coleman was covering because they don't seem to be shaken.

They're all just kind of walking uh casually and we can show you that new segment here. Take a listen. We have a lot of news still to cover here. We want to show you live pictures which we've just gotten into the Fox 5 Atlanta newsroom out of Utah um where we're continuing to follow developments surrounding the shooting of Republican activist Charlie Kirk who was on a campus nearby talking to students as he frequently does.

He is the leader of the Republican youth movement. President Trump called him instrumental in getting him reelected as president. There was a shooting today and Charlie Kirk's representatives confirming that he was shot and is being treated at this hospital. So, we're stay on top of developments there out of Utah.

Uh, as we continue, we're also going to speak to Senator John Oaf coming up here um in this hour. I spoke to the senator not too long ago. He had some very interesting things to say. If you'll give me a moment.

Uh, I'm just being handed information um from President Trump regarding uh this shooting of Republican activist Charlie Kirk. Uh, we must all pray for Charlie Kirk who has been shot. A great guy from top to bottom. God bless him in all caps.

Uh, that from President Trump. m. and he gets interrupted. So you allow for some time for them for his producer to print it.

He's doing live updates and they're like here this just went out and you can see it says 202 because we're pulling this in our time zone. m. that it went out local time. Again, I'm always adjusting to Utah when I'm speaking about September 10th just to make things easier.

So, um, yeah, that allows us to know what time they showed up. And I'm being so genuine here in looking for answers. Maybe it was another conference call that they were all conferencing. It seems that might make sense.

A bunch of Turning Point employees decided to jump on a conference call and coordinate and it was initiated by Danny Phillip somehow in the middle. But it's something that I'm thinking about. That's a long phone call. uh a longer phone call than you had with both your wife and Erica.

Um who I feel would be wanting more details or wanting more answers. Um who knows? Chapter 4: Erika calls me "that b*tch" in a Daily Mail piece. A lot's happening right now.

And I I was asking myself the question, what in particular transpired while I was in Spain? Because it feels like a Zionist going out of business sale. You know what I mean? You know, when a store is going out of business and things look and feel chaotic, bright signs that read, "Everything must go.

Buy one, get everything else free. Take it now. " That's kind of the only way I can describe this press cycle. Like, management doesn't actually care because they're about to lose their jobs anyway.

No one is available on the floor to help you. Andrew Kovette is management. He's back of house calling his brother. Reverend Johnny Moore is working corporate, dropping digital assassin articles aimed at me, blaming his competitors.

Ben Shapiro is on the phone receiving updates, but he's totally not involved, guys. Totally not. Just curious about why they're having a going out of sale business. Blake Nef is the creepy window shopper.

Just keeps walking by the windows. He can't remember why. Everything just feels like it's it's going to hell in a hand basket. So, after 10 months of the Christian Grift, the Ali Stuckies, the Dana Lashes, the Honor the Widow presentations, Erica is apparently done playing the role.

And I have told you since earlier this year that she's the one directing the show from behind the scenes. She's nasty behind the scenes. She calls people's priests. That's extraordinarily.

That's extraordinary. That's just something you should know. She personally took credit for having Matt Walsh cancel his in-person appearance at the Catholic prayer event for Catholic for Catholics just because I was attending. That's a fact.

That's not my organization. He transformed what was supposed to be his appearance into a video message instead because Erica was upset that I was going to be present. 23 minutesThis was not a political event. It was literally a prayer.

I spoke very briefly uh about my conversion to the faith and my initial hang-up about the blessed Mary and uh to be clear like I said Catholics for Catholics is not my organization. She wanted to hurt another organization simply because I was going to be present a small organization when weighed against her her power her connection. White House was making phone calls because she doesn't like me. She explicitly told people that it was, and I quote, a woke Reich event.

That's a term that I first heard come out of BBNet and Yahoo's mouth for clarity. I remember that. The woke Reich, we got to come after. He had all the American influencers around him.

It is not a term that Charlie Kirk ever used. So, it's been difficult uh knowing that, then having to watch her publicly pretend that she doesn't get involved, that she doesn't play petty politics or know what's happening. She's too busy working. It was part and parcel of my assessment that she's a psychopath because that's that's really fake.

She watches everything. She watches every moment. She watches me and she has been directing the attacks against me since the beginning alongside Andrew Kovat who's now gone masked down before I was even aware. Right.

I presumed these people were allies and then I found out thanks to them firing a bunch of people that they were calling the shots. They knew I was going to be a problem from the very beginning because I I'm not going to get in line with an absurd narrative. I need to know the truth about what happened to Charlie Kirk. Okay.

Now, I want to also make it clear. I have never done that. I've never engaged in that. I have never made personal phone calls and asked influencers to support me.

I've never asked people to not attend any Turning Point events. To the contrary, and dare I say, true to the philosophy which was held deeply by Charlie Kirk himself, I think people should go and debate these people. If you have a disagreement, as Charlotte and I said repeatedly on many stages, you should be welcomed to the front of the line. But this is a brand new organization since his passing.

One that makes personal and public calls to my advertisers to be dropped. " They someone tweeted, I think their COO, this is Maria Marina Mina, tweeted that the other day. going, you guys are literally responding to the free markets by saying the free markets need to be stopped and making private phone calls to advertisers. This is an organization that now believes that words are violence, right?

That questioning Erica means that you are inviting people to murder her in utter nonsense. I will say it until I am blew in the face. I want no harm to come not only to Erica Kirk, to anybody at Turning Point USA, not Andrew Kovet, not Blake Nef as we discuss these people. I'm comfortable with them discussing me.

Um, I want answers. I don't want anybody to be hurt. I wish only for the absolute truth to surface about who really killed my friend Charlie Kirk and why. Again, that should make us natural allies.

For some reason, it does not. But I have to say that I did genuinely appreciate the article which was dropped in the Daily Mail. It arrived as a breath of fresh air because this is we get to see the real Erica. Here is the extraordinary headline.

Erica hates Candace Owens. She thinks she's the ugliest person in the world. A soulless ghoul. Charlie Kirk's family reveal widow's private tirades against the podcaster that she refers to as that bi.

Not going to curse here. So, for clarity, a ghoul in Middle Eastern folklore is a demonic being that haunts burial grounds and deserted places. Traditionally, these creatures were said to have the ability to shapeshift to lure travelers into the desert and to consume the flesh of both children and the dead. It's a strong occult start to what is sure to be a promising article.

It's kind of how we felt about the people surrounding Charlie. soul suckers a little bit, right? And for those of you that are wondering if the story is actually attributable, meaning like, is this just a gossip piece in the Daily Mail? You would do well to remember that Turning Point USA turned to the Daily Mail exclusively to clean up their Charlie GPT Aspen mess.

They gave them special access to see the unedited clip that the public still has not seen so that their journalists could then turn and tell the world, "You can trust the video totally exists. It's real. Charlie really did pick Erica to run the company in the event of his untimely death, which unfortunately just so happened to transpire just three short weeks later. Remember that they went to the Daily Mail.

So that demonstrates a real PR relationship between Turning Point USA and the Mail. And as another point, the author of this piece reached out to Turning Point's spoke spokespeople for comment and they declined to give a comment. That is an opportunity for them to issue a statement saying, "This is not true. " out.

Instead, they just declined to add to the article. So, we can assume this is real. And they list a family friend as a source initially and then elsewhere in the article they say a family member. At the beginning, it says a a family friend.

I think that's probably going to be a Tracy Martinesque character. Uh given the fact that she's the one person that I know that's close to Erica, is a friend, and is also close to Erica's family, meaning namely Lori. Um she's actually the only person that I know. My guess would be Tracy Martin because she's also been the driver behind other wacky pieces that US magazine one.

But who knows? That's not the point. It doesn't really matter. We don't have to speculate as to who the family friend is.

Let's just stick with the facts. Okay. So, the piece opens up by letting us know that Erica has remarkable compassion for Tyler Robinson and his family. I kid you not.

It says, quote, "When Erica arrived in a tiny Utah courtroom earlier this m this month to face her husband's alleged killer, she expected to be overcome with rage. It was the first time she had come face to face with Tyler Robinson, the man accused of assassinating Charlie Kirk at the speaking event at Utah Valley 29 minutesUniversity 10 months ago. " According to two sources that are close to the Kirks, quote, "She was really concerned about being in the same room as him. She didn't know what she was going to feel.

" One family friend exclusively told the Daily Mail she thought that she was really going to be angry and mad to really hate him, but she didn't. She just felt really sad. Overwhelming sadness is what she called it. It made her grieve even more.

She She didn't want to fight with him or his family. She said she almost felt compassion for Tyler Robinson and definitely for his family because it's just so sad that two families were destroyed on that day. So compassion for Tyler Robinson again, she felt it instantly in her uh in the aftermath. You could say she demonstrated forgiveness im immediately at least.

And now she's demonstrating it again in a courtroom with him. And by the way, I echo that sentiment because I feel like the entire world knows that he didn't commit this crime. So, how kind of Erica to feel compassion for the person that they are considering murdering, to be clear, for something that he didn't do. I haven't seen any convincing evidence that Tyler Robinson committed this crime.

So, compassion would be the right thing to feel. I want you to understand that, by the way, these influencers are calling for the murder of an innocent man. We we should deeply understand that. Okay?

Tyler Robinson will receive the death penalt penalty if he is found guilty. So I think I found your soul as ghouls, Erica. It's unimaginable to me to call for the execution of an innocent man without literal overwhelming evidence after the public execution of another innocent man. When they say these statements like case closed on the basis of one hearing where we are shown nothing close to concrete evidence or when they pretend that they are being submerged, overwhelmed.

That is precisely what they are doing. It is so evil. They are calling for the state to murder Tyler Robinson. I want you to put that in your mind when you read it.

They want Tyler Robinson to be murdered. Case closed. Murder Tyler Robinson. That's what they're saying.

Sick. It's really sick and it's truly evil. What would make you call for that? It would It just It sickens me that so many people who I once respected are engaging in that guilty before innocent, right?

Guilty before proven innocent. Then of course after this compassion that she displays there was a dramatic shift in the article and she talks about quote unquote conspiracy theories after um dealing detailing that compassion for the man that she herself said she was certain killed her husband. That's what she said to Barry Weiss. Remember that she was wholly confident that this man killed her husband because she has access to the evidence.

Here is how she then flips and describes her feelings toward me. someone who is trying to find the true killer. " "It's more than burned. It's been blown up.

" The family member said, "Candice decided to make this her identity. It's a grab for attention, building her name and her brand and making some money off of it. " Oh, brand being built. No, Erica, I had a name and I had a brand before Charlie Kirk was assassinated.

In fact, me and your husband built our names and our brands alongside each other and apart from each other. The world didn't know your name until he died. You attempted to build your brand thereafter, and you made an incalculable amount of money in the process. Do we all need a refresher on the things that she was willing to sell?

the photos, the bloody mic in front of donors, the taken in front of it, the bloodied temp tent, people taking selfies under it. It took just three weeks after Charlie's assassination for Erica to file for three trademarks, granting her the right to his name on t-shirts, tote bags, any and all clothing. Three trademarks. And those freedom shirts, which were sold immediately, remember, everyone wanted a freedom shirt.

They were actually very costly. Those were not sold through the charitable arm. Okay. Former employees have confirmed to me that those profits profits went straight to Charlie Kirk Show LLC.

So that's for her personal profit. Once upon a time, Charlie told me Andrew Kovette owned a piece of that company, too. Andrew Kovett's personal profit for Charlie. And of course, it wasn't for Charlie.

So, as a refresher, I already had a name. I already had a brand. I was already being sued by the president of France. I think I was actually known globally.

What did I sell when Charlie died? How many trademarks did I file? It is wild to me, okay, that this article goes on and states, quote, "Erica is really offended that Candace would use her husband's death to make a buck to get attention, to get clout, whatever it is. " That's her focus, guys.

Once again, all Erica cares about is money and brand and merchandise. That's what she's angry about. It's such an unbelievable thing for her to share, for someone to say that. She's upset.

She thinks Candace is making money. She just doesn't have enough of it. Apparently, they can't make enough of the money off of Charlie's death. So, what she's concerned with is whether or not I'm making any additional money while I while I try to figure out who killed her husband.

So, let me make this perfectly clear again. Erica, please listen to me. When Charlie died, we had already signed all of our advertising agreements through not just at the end of last year, 2025, but through to Q1 of this year. So, what that means, I don't really think you're well versed in business, is that not a single additional advertiser was brought onto this platform and no existing advertisers had their rates raised.

Okay? We didn't make money in advertising. We sold zero products. You remember all of the influencers, they raced to put his name, his face on cups, on t-shirts.

We're going to share proceeds with Erica. We're going to do this. We all want to fight Charlie blah blah blah. The same influencers who are now selling you the fed slop about how he died.

We didn't engage any of that. No, we were actually grieving. To the stark contrary, we sold nothing with Charlie's face. No memorabilia.

Not a single item was sold by us in the aftermath of his death. everyone racing to commemorate him by making money for themselves. And I would point out that in our tribute episode to Charlie, our our biggest episode by views ever, we sold um and consequentially read zero ads. Zero.

None. Go back and watch it. 36 minutesIt's still up to my friend Charlie Kirk. No ad reads, nothing sold for the public.

Our show before Charlie died was already in the top 10 globally, sitting above the Charlie Kirk podcast. And every single episode of our new podcast since we launched it back in 2024 has averaged well above a million views. Go back and check that. So what is it, Erica, that you are actually upset about?

Really ask yourself that question, okay? Because time and time again, you keep reminding people that all you care about is money and brand and merchandising. But I have to tell you, it is the way this article concludes that is just stunning to me. It continues, quote, Erica says she's not going to give that woman an ounce of her energy.

Kind of looks like I'm getting a lot of it right now, but sometimes she just can't help herself, and she'll just sort of explode the tirade. She hates her Candace more than she hates her political opponents. 37 minutesWho are your political opponents, Erica? Who are your political opponents?

Who are you? Who are you? You're some beauty pageant wife who took over the reigns of Charlie's company telling us a story that this just he he wanted it in the end but just couldn't put it in documents. Who are you to think that you have political opponents?

It continues, "At least with them, she knew where she stood. They didn't exactly betray her like Candace did. Candace did her so dirty. I think at this point Erica likes even Tyler Robinson more than she likes Candace.

End quote. [snorts] Yeah, Erica, that's that's what Truski and everybody who's been speaking about this has been getting at. That's why people think there's something wrong with you because you meant this article to be a smackdown of me, but all it did was further reveal your character. You have been on a wild pursuit of fame and fortune your entire life.

You started doing pageantss, I think we showed when you were like 12, okay, sixth grade maybe, and you have not stopped wanting to be in the spotlight. Every person you have dated has has had some degree of fame. and you saw Charlie as your ticket to more fame and then you finally got it in your view when you walked out in a white pants suit with sparklers behind you and you sucked all of that in. That was it.

That was the moment we look back at those photos of people at the memorial. I have never seen such glee and such happiness. You clinkedked glasses. You guys then went to a restaurant.

You celebrated finally Erica. finally for you. After decades of trying, you had made it into the spotlight and everybody loved you. Brand merchandising shirts.

You got 39 minuteson that Zoom call. The sales have been crazy. 50,000 shirts sold and kicked back into the LLC that me and the Charlie Kirk show people own for Charlie. For Charlie.

And then it all came crashing down because maybe Charlie had an actual friend. That's what's annoying me. I'm the renegade. I'm the one thing.

He had an actual friend who wasn't content to sell a t-shirt and move on and then sell some fed slop and move on because the price was right. That's what you're upset about, Erica. Money and fame. There is no substance in this article because there is no substance in you.

And that's my opinion, not a call for you to get hurt, but me demonstrating that you have a character flaw that you are not even aware of. We'll be right back after a brief break.

Chapter 5: Turning point equates me with Sandy Hook victimization. So what is Turning Point USA Erica France planning now? They're very angry. That is obvious.

The influencers are angry because they are losing. And they are losing not because they didn't have enough money, not because they didn't have enough people who were willing to sell their souls and make videos and try to hypnotize the public into believing anything but their own eyes. Well, I noticed something. " And suddenly, as soon as the Tyler Robinson trial began, these same influencers who have been attacking me are all raising the matter of Sandy Hook.

It's very strange. I'll show you this. Seth Dylan, resident liar, Hampton's guy. He writes, "The main reason Alex Jones was held liable was not that he questioned an official narrative.

It was that he repeatedly and callously made false accusations about specific people. He claimed the Sandy Hook shooting was staged, that the grieving parents were crisis actors, and that they were knowingly participating in fraud. His false claims made for clicks and fame were damaging, severe understatement, and led to harassment and threats against grieving innocent people. So, his protected opinion defense failed.

The First Amendment protects the right to criticize events and to criticize official accounts, but does not provide blanket immunity for defamation. Oh, how interesting. Seth Dylan from the Hamptons. This feels like a bit of foretelling to me.

This is how these people operate. You always know what is coming down the pipeline because they just start signaling. Today, Tim P tweets, if you want to get amplified on YouTube and X, all you need to do is claim the official story of Charlie Kirk's assassination is a cover up and there's a conspiracy. Why is social media amplifying this so much?

Why does big tech want this narrative to be front and center? I don't think they do. I think the majority of people believe this, Tim. He goes on, "Alex Jones made claims about Sandy Hook and he was destroyed.

His company was sold off to try to humiliate him. What is the difference here? You can claim one story is true, but the other results in your company's total annihilation. YouTube has rules around conspiracy, specifically they restrict conspiracy claims and amplify what they call authoritative news sources.

Why is YouTube boosting these videos in the algorithm? Why does the machine want this narrative so badly? Contrast this with CO, you'd get demonetized instantly if you talked about CO in the early days. We couldn't even read news reports about uh out of China that discussed the basics.

He's basically saying state, where are you? Where are you state? What is the state going to do about the fact that people are using their common sense? So now we are going to tie it to children being murdered in Connecticut.

And he wasn't the only one. Again, this is all happening. Tyler Robinson trial. They're all talking about Sandy Hook.

Blake Nef was on a Twitter space and he similar similarly and specifically compared me to Alex Jones and Sandy Hook. This is a talking point that is being distributed and it's a dangerous one. Take a listen to what he had to say. Nothing compares remotely to the fact that Candace Owens has spent a sustained 10 months making effectively every episode of her show finding some new way to target Erica, target turning point, target other people who are in the Turning Point universe, target random family members of theirs has happened at times for 10 months in pursuit of a conspiracy theory that has literally never had anything to back it up.

Like it it is it inspires comment and notice because there really is essentially nothing like it that I can recall in my lifetime. Like even even as a comparison, even the stuff with the Sandy Hook parents, that was the stuff a few people ran with. And I I just don't think it ever like Alex Jones got sued for it. I don't think Alex Jones made that the only subject of the show for a 10-month period.

Uh and that's what's happened here. I I just have never seen anything like it in my life. Again, they are priming the public to see that this is just like Sandy Hook. This is no different.

I've never se It's actually almost worse than what Alex Jones did because he didn't go on for 10 months. You know what, Blake? I don't think Alex Jones lost a child at Sandy Hook. He probably would have gone harder in the paint.

When you know someone that's involved, you go harder, okay? That's just that's just the reality of things. I care deeply, okay? because I came up along Charlie.

And if Charlie's not safe in the political space, neither am I. Certainly not with you guys speaking like this. That also was the point of the NCRI um NCRI report. That report is not going to be used in as evidence.

Look, harassment, that is what they took Alex Jones down for. He said something which he has apologized before and said was wrong. He he speculated that the children didn't actually die that day. And then they came after him for emotional harassment, stress, whatever the claims were.

4 billion, effectively ending his Infowars platform, suing him into bankruptcy. And I want to be clear, they're also putting people on their show to say, you know, Erica's just like the parents at um Sandy Hook. That's this is the priming. They all know something that we don't know.

They're not all kind of going back to Sandy Hook for no reason. Here is Viva Frey on the Charlie Kirk show. Take a listen. We're living in a world where people have sort of gotten back into the realm of the Alex Jones Infowars Sandy Hook level psychotic conspiracy everywhere.

" I don't know if Tyler Robinson pulled the trigger. I don't know if he was on the roof and he was the one who who fired the gun. I know what the preliminary evidence looks like right now and I know what's being juiced at the preliminary hearing. But the insane conspiracy theories that are being floated that are implicating everyone and anyone involved that are unsubstantiated and unfalsifiable in their vagueness.

0 recurring right now. I appreciate there are some issues with the prosecution. There's some issues with the investigation and there's some issues with the evidence like I can fine. I can appreciate that.

But to go from there to say that it's exploding microphones, Israel did it. And not that Israel might not Israel might have had a hand in this, but until you can provide the slightest shred of evidence other than I can divine an intention or a motive, you have to admit that from the evidence that you have right now, if you have a more plausible theory than the one being presented, which is Tyler Robinson was on the roof, took the shot, had the rifle, had the moment, had the opportunity, if you have a more plausible theory to present, you can go ahead and present it, but you don't get to manufacture facts out of whole cloth. off. This is sure for sure foreshadowing.

This is like this is like the this kind of dark psychiatry. Um I'm I'm well accustomed to this. They they are getting ahead of something. Okay, they know something and they're priming the public to think this is just like when elementary school children died and Alex Jones had to be sued.

And it is deeply ironic and almost sick that that is being platformed on what is still being called the Charlie Kirk show because let me tell you what the namesake Charlie Kirk himself had to say about people who call for lawsuits and for people to be bankrupted because they don't like speech. Here is Charlie Kirk regarding that specific Alex Jones lawsuit. Alex Jones was patient zero for the censorship regime back in 2018 and now Alex Jones is patient zero for lawfare strategies to be able to shut people up that they don't like. Is Alex Jones outlandish?

Of course he is. He's a quasi entertainer. That's one of the reasons why he's so popular. But Alex Jones has been right about a lot of things.

" I learned my lesson. I I I learned my lesson what happens when I stay quiet and I listen to these people. I'm not going to put up with another bad precedent being set because I'm told that I should hate Alex Jones. He's he's outlandish.

He's wild. He's entertaining. I don't agree with them on everything. They're doing this to be able to show as it's a spectacle.

And some people say, 'Look, Charlie, this isn't about the regime doing a spectacle. It's about the families of murdered kids. I think it's I think it's not right what Alex Jones said and what he did. He agrees with that.

Should you be able to shut somebody up because of it? Rachel Matto accused One American News Network of being funded by the Russian government and a judge tossed that away because under free speech provisions a billion dollars. We're going to talk about this in the next segment throughout the hour. This also is an opportunity that I hope all of you take.

Watch carefully today. The podcasts you listen to, the radio shows you consume, the TV shows you watch. This is a scorecard moment. If your favorite conservative commentator is silent on Alex Jones, that is very telling.

Lawyers for the Sandy Hook families say a verdict will send a signal to other conspiracy purveyors about the cost of online lies and set in motion a chain of events that could shut info wars down. So basically the New York Times is saying this is a lot bigger than just Alex Jones. And you might be out there and say I hate Alex Jones and he's a whackadoodle and all this sort of stuff. Look at the bigger picture.

Have you learned nothing about how these people operate? Conspiracy purveyor. Who exactly is that? You know who the conspiracy purveyors are?

Every single one of those mockingb bird maniacs on television that was telling us Donald Trump is a Russian agent. You're the conspiracy theorist. But they'll never be held accountable. No.

What they mean by conspiracy theorist is someone who asks questions against the core tenants as Fred Friedrich Nichze the pieties that you can't ask like election integrity or the alphabet mafia. There he is, you guys, in his own words on his own show, his namesake, the Charlie Kirk show, which used to represent Charlie Kirk's ideas. And now we have these pathetic people who are an extension of the state, the very state that Charlie was trying to fight, the surveillance states, the totalitarian state, people that then use the state to punish people with lawsuits. How dare they?

How dared they do it with his name below in the banner. The Charlie Kirk show is now using the same logic that we believe that what happened in Sandy, this is like akin to Sandy Hook. People are being harassed. They are signaling that this is their last desperate ploy.

Mark my words. We'll end this with a Charlie Kirk tweet so we know exactly how he felt about this. He wrote, "The lawyers behind the sham billion-dollar verdict against Alex Jones are now trying to seize his personal social media accounts in bankruptcy. This was never about justice for Sandy Hook families," or whatever excuse they gave.

The lawsuits against Jones have always been about finding a way to censor and destroy a person that the left hates and then using that blueprint on everybody else. You were right. Except, Charlie, wherever you are, you would be proud to know that for once, the left and the right are united. We are united against the state of whatever the hell Turning Point USA has become because we know it's not you.

We know it's not what you represented. And we think it's why you didn't after you passed the energy. It didn't stay there because how could it? You would detest what it's become.

We'll be right back after a break.

Chapter 6: Comments.

Okay, top comments from yesterday's episode. This one really made me chuckle. It came from Soggy Sunflower. " I sent that to the team.

" And here it is. He would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for that meddling Frank Turk. [laughter] He's very angry at his past self. It's a lot to deal with.

" I got an idea about why he won't do it himself. " We mentioned that yesterday. Watch the 1993 documentary entitled Conspiracy of Silence. It was supposed to air on the Discovery Channel, but was pulled from the schedule.

Black magic is real. Not just in horror novels like Falling Angel by uh William Hortsburg or The God at Dusk by Anand Bosmia. I absolutely know that black magic is real. Um we've been speaking about the occult on this show for a while.

It is it is extraordinarily real. And for a very long time, Hollywood had people thinking it was just hocus pocus. It's not. And um yeah, I I hope that I've done a good job of making people understand that.

And thank you for that uh documentary recommendation. " To the alleged killer to quote, "Happiness comes and goes. " To the heckler calling her a pedal protector. " Make that make sense.

Candace, please go absolutely Max. It's time to drop all of the receipts. Why not? " Yeah, I mean, it's going to be a fight.

I I I sense it. You can see it building. The anger that they have is building. And it's like when nothing is left and you start talking about Sandy Hook.

I feel like there's just the writing's on the wall, right? They're going to they're going to really burn down Charlie's legacy to the ground. They're going to become the very thing that he fought because perhaps they always were the very thing that he was fighting that was surrounding him. Perhaps.

Think while it's still legal. Uh the warrior writes, "I respect you for what you do and I admire your bravery. Thank you guys. And it is like I said many times during uh that healing process.

I may have showed up here but I was not doing okay. I feel like it wasn't until this recent trip to Spain that I feel like myself and like I'm ready to fight again. And like I survived whatever that was which was just being fought every second of every day for trying to get answers to what happened to Charlie by this apparatus of evil. really an apparatus of evil that just attacked every layer of my life while talk about you know striking you the the expression crying out while they strike you literally are we kidding do we have that Laura Loomer somebody just tweeted this like just to show the 1 hourpsychosis of Laura Loomer here's 591 Laura Loomer posts talking about at real Candace O and he followed this up by saying that's just what was digitally possible to fit onto a screen like he could this is this is He just posted this and then he showed how like 45 of them were happening in just one evening and she's just one person.

This is the person that's then retweeted by Ben Shapiro's lawyer who's been suing me for three years who's now suing me on behalf of Brian Harpole. Like I this is how this has been my life and I have not complained. I have not played the victim. I have not asked people to put together bogus reports about digital assassins.

Have I had to up my security? Absolutely. Does anybody care about the death threats I get? people that were putting up my children's cars, Laura Loomer, who was doing that did.

And they just pretend like I'm not a person full time. These people are dedicated, these accounts are dedicated to just attacking Candace Owens all day, every day while she's investigating a murder. That's it. Okay.

Asking meaningful questions. Do we get it right all the time? No. Do we want to get it right?

Yeah. That's why we want still to have an open forum with all of these people. You know, Erica, the feeling is not mutual. I don't hate you.

I don't hate you. I I just don't feel that way. I can't muster that emotion for you. So, I don't feel that way about Blake Nef.

I don't feel that way about Andrew Kovette. I hate what they are doing to Charlie's legacy. I hate that they will not just come hands open and sit down and do an open forum. I resent that.

I resent that they won't do exactly what Charlie would have done. But I can't change that. I can just keep asking questions and keep Charlie's memory alive until we get answers that make sense that don't include naked men on the roof. Um, and then forgetting about those themes and moving on and calling everybody else the conspiracy theorists.

Honey Butter writes, "My husband says it's definitely a glove that is used to dee alcohol to scrub Charlie's body. That's what my husband uses at work with his woodworking and his gloves look exactly like that when he is done. We love you, Candace. praying always God is in your corner.

Um that's very interesting. As always, if you guys have any tips, people who might have more photos of the scene that day, particularly what took place at Temponogos, if we can tighten that timeline, that would be very helpful. We have we are now hearing from um people who worked at other parts of the hospital saying that their computers were shut down for six hours. Um that's crazy.

That's makes no sense. They all feel like something strange happened on that day. the people that have reached out, not everyone. com.

If you know anything, uh, have more photos that we can display. If you caught something, if you are a federal government agent and you want to be a whistleblower, I mean, anybody who wants to come forward with information, we will accept it. And as always, if we get something wrong, we will pivot and we will correct it. And that includes Turning Point USA employees.

you are hearing the rumblings about anything about what's going on there and you've seen enough, reach out to us. com. We've got people there. Um, we could always use more people who are interested in doing what Charlie would have done, fighting.

Um, Aunt Leash writes, "Doesn't that Nitro glove look like it's a little melted on the tip of one finger and the side of another? Nitro would protect against chemical burns from explosive residue, but not from flames. " It's a question. It's a question.

Did they burn Charlie shirt in the SUV? Did somebody put on gloves because they were cutting Charlie shirt and didn't want their prints on? Who knows? Could be.

Could also not be. I'm with you guys. Thinking while it's still legal. Thinking while it's permissible be before they pretend that the conspiracy is a crime in and of itself, that lives are being ruined.

Um because people are asking questions. I 4 minutescouldn't have said it more beautifully than Charlie about what they're actually doing. And um you know, Charlie said it all. He did.

He said it all. And I I agree with him wholeheartedly. Thumbelina's Grace writes, "Thank you, Candace. " Um and lastly, this person Nabby writes, "Shout out to my wife, Ethiopian Queen.

What impact do you have on this case? Is change possible? " Um, yeah. In the end, we win.

Truth always wins. I mean, this has been an example, just so we're clear. We had nothing on our side. No money, no bots, no Israel, no other countries trying to take you down.

We didn't have a Department of Justice willing to work for us or, you know, post our stuff. Department of War making things go viral. We had nothing but drive and a willingness to commit to truth. That's all we had.

And that is what has kept people interested in this case. And I genuinely thank God for that. I thank God for that. I I can't even imagine if Charlie they had just accepted the fed slop and that was it.

And I think it's brought everyone closer as well. Like I said, left and right. And I wherever uh Charlie is hopefully um you know Charlie sees gets to see this to see the left and right come together which is not something that either of I even strive he or I ever even strived for in the beginning. You know we both played that game of left versus right and now the picture is bigger and people on the left are holding turning points feet to the fire.

they're doing that and and so I appreciate it all and um I I do think change is possible because to vote against to say that change is not possible to me would be like resigning and saying that Christ doesn't win in the end. He does. Christ is king. com and to just buy some merch.

Buy any merch. Buy a Standest Cup. That's the signature. Obviously, buy a battle battle bun.

" Um, you can buy a battle bun mug. Uh, you can also join our book club, which has been a really fun read to introduce um my book for the first time. And I think people are really enjoying it and understanding what America inherited from the pale of settlement in Russia. Everything we are fighting today, literally everything from that settlement.

Um, that's it. That's all we have for today. It's been an extraordinarily long episode. Hope you guys enjoyed it as much as I did.

It always feels like I get to vent and share what's going on in the life and put pieces together. So, I appreciate you guys more than you'll ever know. We'll see you tomorrow. [music]

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EXCLUSIVE: Ben Shapiro’s 9/10 “Lunch” Date. More Text Messages From Charlie Kirk. | Ep 365
Candace Owens
Streamed live 22 hours ago Candace Owens

We receive information regarding who Ben Shapiro was with when Charlie Kirk was hit, Robert O'Neill says the screwdriver story makes no sense in the Tyler Robinson case, and we got a wild comment yesterday about another untimely death… in Hollywood.



Search transcript Chapter 1: Start. All right, you guys. Happy Thursday, end of our week at least. And as promised, today we received information regarding who Ben Shapiro was with when Charlie Kirk was hit.

Ben claims he was at a breakfast or a lunch. Now, we were unable to confirm that little bit, but we were able to get solid information on who is telling people that he was with Ben Shapiro. So, we are going to discuss that. Also, we got an absolutely wild comment yesterday from one of you at home, and I have to share it.

I will preface this by saying that I'm not going down the rabbit hole totally, but somebody else might be. I'm just gonna sort of stir the pot on this one because my jaw was on the floor reading this comment and doing a little bit of research and realizing it was accurate. And it is regarding another mysterious and untimely death in Hollywood. So, welcome back to Candace All right, you guys.

I want to talk about Chapter 2: The lies and zionist squeeze Charlie endured. parasites because they are fascinating little organisms. They're creepy, but they are fascinating in part because their survival depends on feeding off of a host and causing it harm. I mean, really think about that existence.

Not being able to live unless you are causing destruction. I'm one of those people that really loved watching Animal Planet Animal Planet and Discovery growing up and I still do by the way. And what's especially interesting about parasites is the manner in which they infect their hosts. As you probably know, there are many different kinds of mindontrolling parasites.

Literally, they infect the mind of healthy organisms and they pervert their world view causing the host to do things that are ultimately harmful to and sometimes plainly suicidal to themselves. Ants, as just one example, can have their minds invaded by parasites that convince the ants to climb up onto grass blades and to position themselves to be eaten by predators. Think about that. They become actual zombie ants.

And you've also maybe heard the same thing regarding the parasite that house cats carry. I'm sure you've heard a lot about it. If you're a woman and you're pregnant, they always warn you about Paxopplasmosis Gandhi or T Gandhi for short because if humans are overexposed to it, they can become convinced, I'm not kidding, that they are in love with their cats. There have been cases where people have wanted to quit their jobs and stay home with their cats and the doctor has to let them know you're actually carrying a parasite.

That's actually one of the components of how cats are able to catch mice. They're able to convince the cat to convince the mice that um they're it's they're safe, that they're in love with them. It's totally bizarre and wacky. You should read up on it.

If you're like me, you'll be very interested. Then there are the type of parasites that rather than taking over the mind of the host, they can take over the tongue. I'm I'm not kidding. They are called tongue snatching isopods isopods.

And they can invade a fish through its gills and attach to the base of its tongue until it causes uh the tongue. They can just take it over completely, replace the tongue of its toast and control the organ entirely, which is crazy to think about a parasite just controlling your tongue. And it's astonishing to me that there are entire groups of people, human beings, who emulate this exact behavior. I always say that.

I look at people, I'm like, what animal in the kingdom are you? When sometimes you come across an insect and there are these people who seek to control and dominate what other people think just like a parasite, what other people say just like a parasite who invade very much like parasites in this sort of effort to drive people crazy. They behave as though they're going to die unless they can take and infect others. I've come across these people, of course, a lot in the last three years, and sometimes I'm like, "Hey, could you just move on?

Is it cool if I just disagree with you on that topic? " And I feel like their response is, "No, I will die if you do that. " That obviously has been my experience in recent years with Zionists. Like, they just cannot let it go.

But there is also a spiritual component to it as well. We showed you yesterday Canaanites, literal ball worshippers, modeling themselves after Nimrod, meaning that they are permanently at war with the creator. There is a damnation to being at war with the creator. It means that you can't create.

If you give yourself over to these sorts of demons, you can no longer create. You don't have a way back to the source. So, you have to model yourself after a parasite. You have to steal.

You have to deceive. You have to manipulate. You have to ent trap people via contracts. Ent trap people who do have the creative force because you can't produce that within yourself.

Charlie Kirk had the creative force within him. You could see that the lightness in his eyes, the joy. He's a happy warrior. He wanted to build build, not destroy.

Michael Jackson had that creative spark. Um and then people surrounded him. Justin Bieber, I will say, finally looks like he has his creative spark back. He simplified things after breaking free from contracts that were costing him his soul.

That's the moment that we're in right now in society. I really believe that. On a personal level level, I have told you guys over and over again, and I will stand by this fact that Ben Shapiro behaves like a parasite. It It's just a fact.

If you just look at his history, it has been my experience with him. And I am not the only one. Steve Bannon, the once executive chairman to Breitbart News, Ben's former employer, explained this um how after Andrew Breitbart died, I should mention Young and under very suspicious circumstances, Ben attempted to take over Andrew's company. And when that failed, he plotted to take down the company because why can't he have it?

6 minutesDoesn't matter if he build it, it should be his. So, take a listen to what Steve Bannon said at Amfest last December about Ben. Ben Shapiro is like a cancer and that cancer spreads. [applause] It's a cancer and it metastasizes.

He tried to take over Breitbart and I ran him out of there. He tried to take over David Horowitz's who was his mentor. Don't ask me. Ask the guys associated with David Horowitz what he did there.

He tried to take that over and mark my word, he will make a move on Turning Point because he's always been envious of Charlie Kirk. I've marked those words. And what has become alarming is that Ben fixates. He does.

He fixates. He cannot move on. He was fixated on Charlie Kirk all throughout his career. He is similarly fixated on Tucker Carlson.

I mean, I worked at the Daily Wire and it was totally bizarre to me how focused 7 minutesthe executives were on Tucker like like they were in some competition. Tucker never spoke about Ben and yet they it was constantly this topic. Uh Ben tried to stop Charlie's rise. I have said that repeatedly and he gave him trouble all throughout his career.

That is a fact. Charlie first thought he looked up to Ben and then in 2018 as soon as Ben got envious what Ben exactly what Bannon is referring to it switched and he began doing the stuff that he does behind the scenes because well he just thinks it's supposed to be his and he's looking for a host. Now I have tried to execute believe it or not a lot of restraint in sharing things that I know and it has been very difficult for me to straddle knowing the things that I know about Charlie and his shifting opinions and what began the shift in those opinions and then having to watch at the same time the very people that he was fighting toward the end of his life lie just lie without any recourse like they don't have souls. And the most shocking has been Andrew Kovette.

His attempts to pretend that Charlie and me were never friends, that Charlie and me had some imaginary falling out and we just did not have each other's back since 2019. Worst of all, I think uh is then him just inverting reality and claiming that Charlie and Ben were friends. I want to be very clear that is diabolical. That is diabolical.

I actually was sitting in Spain next to Carrie Pad Baller and I was just showing her all of these messages and she her jaw was on the floor. " Cuz we were watching Andrew tweet this narrative [laughter] that Candace wasn't friends with Charlie and Ben was. Charlie was the single person, just so you guys know, who provided me with the most emotional support when the Zionist thugs came for me. like that began as you guys know in earnest at the end of 2023 uh with the Christ is king scandal then uh me getting fired and Charlie talked me through all of that he kept me clear-minded focused told me how I should react and I believe that the treatment of me uh which he predicted and told me what was going to happen next served as um a major point of him recognizing what he and I had arrived in suddenly where people were trying to control us and at the same time because this was post October 7th of course where the thugs just started thugging a bit harder and demanding uh that people I don't know say what they were supposed to say or else they also attacked Charlie and they called him anti-Semitic.

So I'm going to show you this text message thread now that Andrew Kova is out the gate saying Charlie was terrified of me and we weren't friends since 2019 and he was just mad at Jiggby at our relationship. I'm going to show you a snippet of our our hour thread. This one dated November 15th, 2023 when Ben Shapiro began his attacks against me and you are going to be able to judge for yourself what kind of relationship we had. Shockingly, just to be clear, I was working for Ben Shapiro, who's a part owner of Daily Wire for that company when this was going down.

And it was obvious that there was a coordinated effort from the inside post October 7th to begin privately pressuring and smearing anybody who wasn't repeating the narrative that Israel uh were the only victims that everything began on October 7th and they had a right to do whatever they wanted. Um the beginning of the infamous Christ is king and genocide is always wrong scandal when they started swarming. That's the only way I can describe. It's a swarm infestation.

So here are the messages. Charlie sent me his tweet defending me. I am genuinely confused why asking questions and quoting Bible verses about peace warrants a call to resign from the Daily Wire. There should be more room in the conservative movement for disagreement.

We can do better than this. Charlie then wrote to me don't resign because it's what they want. I aid I won't. I know.

Uh Charlie wrote Jeremy boring. He knew exactly what Jeremy was. 100% workshopped this. This is not Ben acting alone.

This is a hit. I said I believe it. I believe that 100% also they are idiots. Charlie then came back and said this is a seale hit against you because they think they can provoke you which was what was happening.

They were trying to provoke me to quit. I wrote back yes and he said that's why this is all coordinated. I came back and I said also Marissa and I was referring to Marissa Strait of Prager University is involved. I suspect they always send her out last to talk sense to me.

He said, 'They want you to do a video. Oh my god, I'm out. I'm not going to work for him. ' He said, Marissa Strait, she's part of the tribe.

Do not listen to her. I said, I know she is. I always know when they roll her out, it's like programming. And this time, I stood up to her because I did that time.

Did not apologize for saying genocide is always wrong. " He continues, "I've told all the Jews recently to go to hell who try and tell me to stop. I said, 'It's unreal. It's an implicit threat.

He said, 'BW, did the flight work out? Okay, I was 40 weeks pregnant. He was helping me to find a plane last second. And I said, by the way, you are featured in my Tucker interview that just dropped.

I defended you hardcore. I forgot to mention that he just dropped it. And he said, "Thank you. We are on the same team.

" And I said around the 20-minute mark. And he said, "Thank you for doing that. I really appreciate it. " I said, 'Thank you so much for having my back.

You know I have yours. I'm really so disgusted by what they did to you. Years of service to the Pur Israel cause and no one cares treating you like you are only as good as what you can do to them. The plane worked out great today.

Thank you so much. It made all the difference this pregnant lol. I'm literally 40 weeks. And he wrote, "Absolutely.

We are on the same team. " He continued, "It is so transactional. I am repulsed by it. For years I was I was called a Jewish Jewish shill and now they say I am a Hamas agent.

Screw them. The game has changed. So that's a snippet into what began. Conversations between me and Charlie over the course of um well I guess only a year and a half later he would be dead.

Just over a year and a half later he would he would be murdered. Uh about Zionism and how they were moving in on speech, how they were bullying us. We have conversations about Seth Dylan, all the players who we were involved and trying to gaslight us by name calling us and very clearly were coordinating with one another. And I've always told you guys the truth from the beginning that after that when I got fired, you can go watch the clips of Charlie saying, "We have her back.

" Um, and those conversations were happening again. He was telling me what the best moves were to make, providing the advice and guidance as he always did. Uh when I went and spoke at YWLS, he and I sat in a room and chatted about what was happening behind the scenes of Daily Wire, what they were doing, uh legally speaking, uh opened up to him about that. I believe Andrew Kovet was actually present for that discussion um if I recall before I went on stage.

And so then we I was told through messages, actually text messages that I have with Andrew, that Ben Shapiro was squeezing their donors and trying to get them to say that I couldn't speak at Amfest um at the end of 2024. And I said, Charlie, I don't even care about that. Like, don't let them now. I know you're under attack.

I don't care about any of that. Literally, I'm under so much pressure right now. I have to now rebuild my podcast. Like, who cares?

Like, just take let's take a beat. I'm sharing this with you because I want you to really imagine not just my shock, but also my internal and what will now be my eternal disgust, experiencing uh his quote unquote friends completely lie about this. Okay, this is, by the way, not new. Everyone who knew Charlie, as I told you many times, they knew that not only that Charlie and I were close.

Of course, the president of United States comes to you and asks you to call Candace about Breij Mcronone. It's because everyone knows that you and Candace are close, but um everyone also knew that he was under pressure from pro-Israel donors since October 7th, 2023. Everyone also knew that he has never liked and was always disgusted by the way Ben behaved, by the way Ben treats his friends and his enemies. Um, he doesn't care if you're a friend, as you saw with Megan Kelly.

He will throw you under the bus in s if it's about Israel. And in the end, less than before he died, Charlie snapped. He did abandon the pro-Israel cause. He was not joking in those messages, as some of people have tried to say.

He put his foot down and he texted multiple people that he was done and that he wanted to bring me back. That was the sign of how they were squeezing him the year before. Yet immediately after his death, the person who I could show you text messages over the course of every single year up until he died, the one person that Charlie made it perfectly clear from our early days that he was at war with. Okay, here's another throwback.

This one older, um, of Charlie saying just that, that he was at war. Uh, she's close with Ben. Yep, the war is on. Snakes in the garden.

They are not our friends. Time to fight. Back when he was just trying to stop Charlie from rising because he is naturally envious. He doesn't want anyone to bigger than him.

Um, and sees it as his right to sue, steal, take. I don't know. It's a it's it's it truly is the non-spirit of a parasite. But you have to imagine how I felt suddenly and almost immediately following this Charlie's assassination that Ben of all people is sitting in his studio in Charlie's studio with a million dollars in hand attempting to buy his legacy.

And I shouldn't say attempt, right? Because they allowed it. Andrew then lied. He lied.

didn't feel anything when he did it. He said Ben and Charlie were friends. Allowed him to open at his event. His wife as well allowed that, right?

She came out first and then Ben came out. And not only that, he had to have presubmitted his speech. That's usually how it goes. They knew he was going to go on the attack against Charlie's actual friends, me, Tucker Carlson, Megan Kelly.

Chapter 3: Who Ben was having lunch with. And now we fast forward and we learn that Ben uh claims that his security who are former consists of former Israeli 18 minutesIDF members were on the phone with Charlie's security during the critical seven minutes that Charlie was fighting for his life. While Charlie was dying in the backseat of an SUV, his enemy was receiving updates. How sinister is that?

I want you to comprehend how sinister that is. And let's uh take a listen to Ben state this so you can fully appreciate how deeply evil it feels. Take a listen. I remember where I was when all this was happening.

I was in Los Angeles. I had sort of a breakfast slunch meeting with somebody and my uh I got the news that Charlie had been shot and my security was on the phone with Charlie's security because nobody knew what the hell was going on while Charlie was still in the back of the car and we were sort of getting updates along the way. There's visual timelines that show Charlie's body being carried to a vehicle within minutes of being shot. Apparently, he was still alive at the time.

Again, I know that only because my security was talking to his security in the car. I hate that. I hate that. I hope Charlie couldn't hear.

Everything about his demeanor there does not pass the vibe check for me. Everything about his aggressive position and demeanor since Charlie's passing has signal to me that something is very araiy. So what did we do? We put out a bounty.

I said, "Who is Benny boy with at breakfast or or lunch? " and we instantly heard back and we took our time to verify the person that we were speaking with, that that person was authentic, that we did everything possible to fact check the information. Uh, regardless, I will still say allegedly because of course there was always room for misunderstanding. But the person that Ben was with has allegedly told various other people that he was with Ben when Charlie Kirk was shot.

Now, we were not able to confirm that they were at breakfast or lunch. only what came to us was that they were together. Um, and that person is a man named Gary Javich. Ben was allegedly with Gary Javich and an as of yet unidentified woman when Charlie Kirk was shot.

Now, we have a strong guess as to who that woman could be, but we'd rather not venture a guess unnecessarily. So Gary Javich is not a person that you have likely ever heard of unless you are Jewish and involved in the community, but he is certainly very wellknown. Uh actually very powerful and we weighed his identification, this identification as likely um determined it was probably likely given the reason that Ben was in Los Angeles on that September day. m.

That event was eventually cancelled because Charlie was shot. What we can confirm about Gary Javich is that he has spent last few decades of his life, he's older, in his 70s, mid70s in Omaha, Nebraska of all places, right? He got one of his degrees in Omaha, Nebraska back in the '9s and has been there ever since. Now, Omaha, Nebraska just keeps coming up.

It really does, right? Whether we're talking about the Egyptian Plains, whether we're talking about other topics throughout this case when we were initially looking into uh Turning Point reopening their UNL chapter, uh we've talked a lot in general about Nebraska, surprisingly so. Uh but most critically what is something that you should know about Gary Javich is that he is and he's has been the executive director of Bonibberith International for years. Benberith is the Jewish Freemasonic lodge.

That immediately piqu my interest especially if you are in my book club you know the stuff that we have learned about Bibberith uh throughout our study of Sigman Freud. This is what just sort of ripped me into a new reality. Sigman Freud and the Jewish mystical tradition. Uh yes, Benberith was indeed founded by German Jews.

Uh it was a Freemason lodge where Sigman Freud, as we learned in one of our books, was free to denigrate the Goyam in his correspondence with his fellow Jews. He would say things like that joke is much too good for Goyam. But they tell us that that's just meant to be mean nation or something. Iberith then spun into the Anti-Defamation League.

It's an important uh note that you should know about that. Um and that happened when the extraordinarily wealthy Jewish man in Atlanta named Leo Frank um who owned a factory and was president of the Atlanta Benberworth chapter assaulted and murdered an impoverished 13-year-old Catholic girl named Mary Fagan. He was convicted of this crime despite trying to blame it on a poor, illiterate black janitor who also worked for him at the factory. Do you know how guilty you would have to be to get a jury to not convict a black man in the South in the segregated South in 1913?

Yet to this day, every year the ADL lobbies claims it was anti-semitism that he got convicted or there was none. He was unbelievably powerful player. Um, and he was also convicted by a jury that consisted of Jews. And they have been attempting to get that conviction overturned for decades now.

I highly recommend you read this little packet and conduct your own research, the ugly truth about the ADL. It's very important you understand what they have been involved in in this country since their founding. Read it as I did and then research the claims that are made in this as I did and think for yourself. But we are coming to a point in this country um that it is very important that you understand what that group is um where they come from uh and in my view the danger that the ADL represents.

Anyway, back to Gary. He served on the Manberith Internationals uh board as their executive board chair in 2011, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019. He received the inaugural president's award in 2019 for advancing the organization's mission. A 2022 report identified him as the director of the local Bonibberith chapter in Omaha.

He is also the director of the Habad Lubovich of Nebraska. Again, if you're not in my book club, you should just read the books. I would read David Ban's Sigman Freud in the Jewish Mystical Tradition. You will note that anytime the Habad Lubovich is mentioned, underground tunnels in New York, there's this immediate vicious reaction online.

Uh there's a reason for that. There was a person currently sitting in jail who tried to murder me, plotted my murder on a chat with 20 other Jews. None of them notified me. The FBI got involved.

tunning that 20 people could be on a chat as a person is saying how he's going to murder Candace Owens and none of them would reach out. I can't imagine that in Christian world. I can't imagine uh a chat with 20 Christians plotting the assassination of Ben Shapiro and nobody would reach out and be like, um, this person's crazy and I wanted to inform you that I'm on this chat with a crazy person. But that's that's what happened.

That is real. There's a person sitting in jail because I mentioned the Habad Lubovich's history, particularly as it pertains to uh the Brooklyn tomb that every president seems to vi visit, including Donald Trump. Uh more about Gary, his professional professional biography says that he served on the National Council of Apac. Gary was the president of the Nebraska chapter of Apac.

It also lists his twin brother David Jabich as being on the board of Apac currently. Now, we were able to discover that Ben Shapiro and his wife have been donating a life and 26 minuteslegacy amount to the Jewish Federation of Omaha, Nebraska for years. I I know he has some ties to Omaha. I'm not really clear to what extent or why.

Um maybe he just likes it. But um of course, Gary is involved with that organization as a host and a donor. That is all we know. I do not need to draw any further conclusions because everything about this situation gives me the ick.

But I will put out another bounty similarly for $25,000 for the person who can tell me who in Charlie's car was speaking to who on Ben's security team. We will protect your identity as we always do. uh we will obviously work with you to make sure you're comfortable in how I share the information. Um and I am I'm good for it.

You can trust me. This matters very deeply to me. But I wanted to uh just really underscore how despicable the Turning Point USA team has been in their lies. There was no bottom lies.

And if they will lie about something like that for an a million dollar check, yeah, they betrayed Charlie one way or the other. though they are currently actually every day betraying Charlie. It was a a betrayal to sit there and to lie about who his friends were and who his enemies are. com and uh I look forward to hearing from you guys.

We'll be right back after a break.

Chapter 4: Tracey denies being the Daily Mail source. So there is this psychological um attack method known as Darvo, right?

You deny, you attack, you reverse the victim and the offender. Totally crazy town. We saw this yesterday uh when Andrew Kovette, who as Baron Coleman accur accurately states is a liar who lies about everything, um blamed me for the hit piece against me when it went wrong. Now, here's the thing that's now happening, which I am just beside myself with happiness that this is starting to occur is that people who did weren't ure about Turning Point USA, you know, people who were, you know, had the icky I think we all did initially, like, okay, like this is a kind of Charlie's legacy and um maybe people who initially disliked me, they're starting to change now because they're shocked at the audacity of the lies.

And so Andrew took a very big risk in telling this lie. And for clarity, the article is still up because he's lying. They cannot get a retraction from the Daily Mail because he's lying through his teeth. These quotes did not materialize from Candace Owens.

They not materialize from nowhere. No associate editor would put their livelihood on the line and risk being sued, the entire publication being sued to make up quotes whole cloth from a a woman who has not just victim status um amongst the elites, but has the DOJ and the president's office backing her up. like that's not something they're going to do, right? Lose their job liood so I can make up a quote about Erica.

But he's stupid and he he took that risk anyway. And what it did was it actually made them lose a lot of favor with people that work in and around media. And obviously those people all talk, they all communicate, they follow stories, and they're like, "What is going on? " Anyway, so we received without even asking, I didn't even say, "Hey, if you have any information about this," we received a flurry of emails of people who presented proof, concrete proof, that the story did indeed come from a family friend of Erica.

And that family friend is exactly who I suspected, expected it was, Tracy Martin, because Tracy Martin also lies. Tracy Martin's been doing the rounds in the press. She was giving quotes to US magazine and she's also the person who had a perfectly friendly phone call with me and pretended that I was shouting and cursing her out on the phone. That tells me she's a liar.

She's a liar. And what she immediately did when I said I suspected it was her was that she tried to get ahead of it and go on to Paramount Tactical show. And now this is before I had received emails to the effect that it was Tracy Martin. Um, and like I said, I'll say allegedly, but I feel very good about the source and um, you can just hear of the manner in which Tracy Martin is tries to get in front of this and lies with her usual Erica never has done anything wrong ever in her whole life.

Even though Tracy was friends with Erica back in the days when she was dating uh, you know, uh, basketball players, Erica, you can find videos of her rapping to gangster music, when she was partying. Tracy Martin is going to pretend none of that ever happened and Erica just doesn't talk like that. Watch her lie. Take a listen.

Tracy, let us know what your thoughts are on this. And by the way, were you the person that Daily Mail contacted and you provided this information? Absolutely not. No.

Absolutely not. You've read both those articles because you sent them to me. uh you read the original article and you've now read the editor article that they act like the first article didn't exist and right kept the same date and everything else like tell me what your thoughts are behind this and let's talk a little bit about the credibility of what they're saying about Erica. Have you ever seen Erica go on a tirade start crashing out?

Never. Never. That's not that's not her mo. I have a lot of thoughts about this to be honest with you Gary.

Um, first and foremost, that's not Erica. People who know Erica, and if you notice, people actually came on against this podcast who just recently met me and said there's no way that that she would have done this. And that's how you know you have a consistency of character. Erica would never, she doesn't curse.

She doesn't say those things. She and she still to this day has never said anything bad about about Candace or anyone involved in this at all. That's literally not true. She came out dressed like an assassin and name checked me and accused me of accusing her of killing her husband.

Uh, which was meant to invite hate toward me. I mean, the entire reason her PR thing fell apart was because Erica has been signaling to for people to attack me. Stop. Just stop namechecking me in questions that were preapproved uh by Barry Weiss, which she knew was going to happen.

So, it's just it's so obvious that she's lying. Uh, and she comes out and she says that. And like I said, she has a history of lying. This Tracy, I had a perfectly nice convers.

I wish I had recorded it because I it was so nice. And the next thing I know, she was out there pretending like I was cussing her out on the phone. Nope. Just told her how I felt about Erica and things that I thought were strange and asked her opinion about why she didn't find it strange that Erica was being caught in so many lies that she knew about.

That's it. And so there's your answer. I'm still challenging uh Andrew Kobat to get that article removed. get the person to come out and apologize.

They should have their there should be a full retraction issued if what you are saying is true and they are attributing quotes that are not real to Erica's family friend. It was a as I understand it a an attempt to show the public that she was strong and that she was not going to take it and for her to come out swinging and it backfired and then they moved to Darvo tactics. That's what she's doing. Darbo tactic to then pretend that I was the person who attacked myself.

We have turning point in a very good spot. Okay, this is we want them to go mask down and to reveal their character and to keep telling such implausible lies like this because it's turning more people against them. It is it's making people realize what they are capable of because that was just like I was like are you kidding? When I woke up, I'm like, they're saying I was behind the article calling myself the b- word, calling myself a soulless ghoul.

Yeah, that's not that's not going to earn you any friends in media. It's just not. Chapter 5: Rob O'Neill discusses the screwdriver and rooftop theory. Moving on from that, I did also want to show you guys this clip talking about how the truth is spreading.

And I can guarantee you next week is going to be an explosive week. Uh but Rob O'Neal, we didn't show the full uh clip of him on Newsmax and I also wanted to get him talking about what was going on in the rooftop and this screwdriver that is just bothering me the more and more I think about it. Take a listen. Well, I'm just saying.

I mean, the screwdriver that probably wouldn't have worked to take it apart or put it together in the first place was left on the rooftop anyway. So, he jumped off the roof and put it back together without the screwdriver that probably didn't work anyway. put it back together, wrapped it up, and put it nicely in a bunch of trees, and then ran off and started texting someone like English was a second language. I mean, the whole thing's just shady.

I 306 was 30 caliber invented in '06. It's a 1906 to to kill big game. And if you hit something in the spine, especially a human, I've shot ballistic gel all the time. I've never shot a human with 306, but I know it it would do a lot more than that.

If it was just a 306 shooting, too, that went left to right, not from front to back. You can clearly see an exit wound on Charlie Crook's left hand side. And then it just this the Why are we supposed to believe everything we see on C on TV? Shut up.

Believe it. That's the N. No, it's not. CL Team 69 Pro school in 1998.

I'm telling you. Just fantastic. I love what he says. Texting like it's English is is a second language because that's exactly what it was.

Too formal. When you learn a language, you always learn it super formal. It's not the way people speak amongst each other. and it looked like someone just hit Google Translate and it came out like they were speaking the Queen's English, which obviously registered to the public as strange.

And so, it is good that we are finally reaching critical mass. I think we actually always were at critical mass, but that more people are are feeling emboldened to speak out. And, you know, I just I do have to say I I just feel like Charlie's with us. I do.

I feel like he's fighting with us. And that's why this is not going away. and he's working just as hard as he always did. Chapter 6: A familiar Hollywood untimely death story.

Now, I have to read you this comment that shook me to my core yesterday on YouTube. I'm not getting involved beyond this. I'm just saying that it caught me off guard because I had sort of peripherilally understood that there was some drama going on with this suicide of Ellen Degenerous, the talk show, longtime talk show host, no longer on air. She had a DJ named Twitch that worked on her show and he committed suicide allegedly um in a hotel room.

And somebody commented this on YouTube where so many similarities with Twitch's case. Mormon wife who chased him at dancing events until he marries her. The family iced out mysterious death. His family asked to sign an NDA to attend the memorial.

Uh the wife back at work and in business mode a few days later making deals and publishing books. and note they put here uh that I find out that Alice Allison grew up in Oram, Utah and grad graduated from Tipponagus High School in 2006. " I'm reading the comments and I'm going, "Is this real? " And sure enough, she did.

Just quick background on the case, just keeping it factual. Twitch died in 2002 at a motel less than a mile from his house from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. He checked into the Oak Tree Inn and his body was discovered by motel staff on Tuesday. He checked in on Monday.

The body was discovered on Tuesday. when they entered his room. m. And an autopsy report confirmed, this is what's crucial, that there were no drugs or alcohol that was found in his system at the time of death.

TMZ then went around and spoke to motel staffers who said that he didn't appear to be in any sort of distress. He wasn't visibly upset, nothing. And the staffers also said that no one even heard the gunfire at any point during his stay, which is plaus. It's possible, of course, given the motel's layout.

it does have separate units and it's structured like a U. But according to law enforcement and multiple news reports, he left a note alluding to past challenges and led investigators to conclude that the death must have been a suicide. Now, what bade people and I remember seeing this build online of people who didn't like the widow uh was that despite him having no drugs in his system, she then gives an interview and says that she found um a cornucopia of substances like mushrooms and pills that she wasn't aware that he was taking. She said this after he committed suicide that she found it hidden in his shoe boxes.

Anyway, I'll let you take a listen to that piece of the interview that really sent some people. I had dealt with an ex that had addiction problems and then I realized Steven had addiction problems and it's something that I kind of have been like what what where was I involved in this? And I had to take some steps for myself to realize like you know I I I was able to help one and I I wish I could have been that for the other and but it's also not my job to do that. There was a a moment I was with one of my really dear friends and we were cleaning out the closet um and picking out an outfit for him for the funeral and it was a really triggering moment for me because there was a lot of things I discovered in our closet that I did not know existed.

Um and it was um very alarming to me to learn that there was so much happening that I had no clue. Um so that was it was a really scary moment in my life to figure that out. But it also helped me process that he was going through so much and he was hiding so much and there must have been a lot of shame in that. And he was wrestling with a lot inside himself and he was trying to self-medicate and cope with all those feelings cuz he didn't want to put it on anyone cuz he loved everyone so much.

He didn't want other people to take on his pain. But it was very alarming and scary to find those things and have never known. painting your husband as a drug addict who was found with no drugs in his system and who nobody knew uh had a any drug habit and just saying you were the one who found it. It's a it's a move.

It's a move. I think I said he died in 2002. I meant to say 2022. This is all very recent.

And he also died without a will. Uh she filed a petition for half of his estate in April. A judge signed off on her request. She was granted her property passing rights as a result of the ruling.

And um according to California law, the surviving spouse has the right to request half of her lay partner's assets if they were married at the time of their death. Twitch's mother and younger brother, however, did speak out and they sat down with Gail King on CBS. " And I'll just, you know what, let me just say that it is true that at Charlie's actual uh Catholic mass burial, which was the day before the memorial event, that Erica made her own family members and everyone present sign NDAs. That's what I was told.

And similarly, uh the same thing was done here. And this is what Twitch's family told Gail King on CBS. Take a listen. we were, you know, trying to figure out what we were going to do or what she wanted to do in terms of plans.

And then I got a phone call saying, we need you guys to sign non-disclosure agreements. And we were like, why? What's going on? What what is this for?

And she says, well, somebody in the family has sold a story to a magazine and we we were like what are you talking about who who did this and she said granddad and that's Steven's grandfather and now 45 minutesif you know my dad he is the most respected the most integrity would never do that so a magazine did call him and in the throws of grief My father answered the phone and they asked him questions, right? And he's answering, right? He's answering the questions, you know, saying we're grieving. We don't know what happened.

Whatever the answers were, but it was at that point that it became, you guys are doing this, we need you to sign this. And we were like, no, that is not true. And that's kind of where it started. It went.

So that's when the friction started asking for the NDA. It went downhill from there. You were asked to assign an NDA to go to the funeral. It it became if you don't sign, you will not be able to see him and you will not be able to participate.

I can tell you that she did do a book tour. She did release a book uh February of 2024, short time after. It was her story of love loss and embracing the light. And once again, she told the public that he was secretly struggling with addiction and past sexual abuse from a male figure in his life.

That is one thing to put on the streets after your husband dies in a suicide. Now, members of Twitch's family said that they were blindsided by the claims that she made. And she also released a children's book that she said that she co-authored with Twitch just before he died. And that was called Keep Dancing Through Boss Family Groove.

I mean, 2025 in September, uh Connie, who is Twitch's mother, filed a petition for grandparent visitation against Allison, alleging that her relationship with her grandchildren has changed following her son's death, describing it as unilateral and retaliatory decision by the dancer. In 2026, the case was dismissed by a judge. Um, so I guess they will just not be able to see too much of their grandparents. We'll see.

Um, but I just had to tell you this stunning story. I just I when I found Orin Utah, I was just like this is crazy. And I do see a lot of the similarities in the story. I'm not speculating anything, but I am saying that's a move.

This is book publishing. It's like what? It's like a formula or something. It's crazy.

Um, I will just leave it at that. Um, we'll be right back after a break.

Chapter 7: Comments.

All right, you guys. Top comment from yesterday's episode came from the Fitch family. They wrote, "The comical part is everyone says Candace doesn't have one shred of evidence, yet she has the most evidence so far presented by anyone, including the FBI. It is crazy how much we have released that the public did not have access to from photos inside of the SUV um to releasing text messages, you know, us being the one that showed that he said he was leaving the pro cause.

And no matter what, they just say she has no evidence. And then we finally get brought to the preliminary hearing where we're supposed to be overwhelmed by evidence and they give us nothing. Nothing. Not one thing that I was forced to retract on the basis of what we saw in the preliminary hearing.

In fact, it led to even more questions and it is we have a lot more coming. We have a lot more coming. I can promise you guys that one glazed donut wrote, "Cannis, your audience does not have to be bought. We actually choose to watch you every day.

No one forces us to. " Yes, I totally agree that they are the Grifters. And it's just crazy to me that they tried to present it like I tried to profit off of Charlie's death. It's exactly what they were doing.

Again, going back to that Darvo psychological attack. exactly what they were doing. They tried to accuse me of doing. " Yeah.

Who cares if no one will remember the tent, the microphone that was in the case, um us literally raising $40 million, approximately $40 million in one night as Erica posed next to the bloody m. I mean, no one will remember anything. just say, forget the t-shirts that went into a for-profit business, the influencers, they they will just say that's Candace that's making money for doing what she's always done. Uh her podcast been podcasting for years.

This is what I do. Nothing nothing has changed. Uh, my focus obviously has changed because I watched my friend get assassinated and I'm watching the people who are the closest to him lie about even the most mundane facts of his existence, who his friends are, who his enemies were, what he was fighting, what pressure he was under. And the deep irony here is that if they had just been forthcoming, no one would have thought anything was weird.

Like they were just like, "Yeah, you know, he was really angry in the end about the pressure he was under the donors and he was really venting. he was done with the pro-Israel cause. If VB had just stayed home and chilled, if Seth Dylan admitted that he had pressured him in the Hamptons as he does, I had been morally blackmailed by Seth Dylan and Charlie Amy spoke about that. I have messages to that effect.

52 minutesUm, yeah, then people I I would have thought nothing was suspicious or needed further proddding, but they can't tell the truth about anything. They can't even tell the truth about articles that they are planting. I'll leave a small percentage for maybe if Tracy Martin was the one who, as I'm told, was behind this article, maybe there's a chance that Andrew Kovette didn't get the email question somewhere. They do sometimes send them to weird inboxes.

I've told you that. " And Erica should have said yes because she was and Erica knew that. Unless Tracy did it behind Erica's back. I don't think she did.

Allegedly. Don't think she did. Anyway, um, more comments on today's episode. My computer has frozen.

So, just kidding. Um, that's so weird. Let me just hit refresh here. Oh, wait.

No, I'm just actually in the wrong spot entirely. It's actually not frozen. 53 minutesColeman writes, "Candice, watch Once Upon a Time in America. It is a movie about the Jewish Mafia.

Thank you for letting me know about that. I have never heard about that, but I have definitely been doing a lot of reading and it is real and it is terrifying how much we have been lied to about that. Uh Sarah Marie writes, "I do believe the Holy Spirit worked through Charlie and that same spirit is working through Candace. May our dear father, whose holy name is Jehovah, secure Mrs.

Owens in all of her endeavors in the name of Jesus Christ. " I I like I said, I feel good right now. I feel positive about what I always sense, which is that all of these lies are going to be revealed regarding Charlie's death. And I sense that we are making progress in the panic and the effort and the extremities that the the lies that they are telling.

I mean, just such extremes right now uh that you're going, is this real? Are you bringing influencers into the courtroom? That's not a good that's not a good PR move, obviously. Why are you doing that?

There's a desperation that I'm sensing right now and I just want to also keep encouraging you guys to keep fighting, keep sending me information, keep sending me tips. Uh, and I'm grateful to everyone who has thus far. I can I can sense that camaraderie. All of us are in the foxhole with Charlie now.

Dan writes, "Can thank you for everything that you do. You've been a pivotal voice for a lot of people and I know that that comes with an incredible amount of pressure. I want to remind you that your work is appreciated and that many people are grateful for your courage. Stay strong.

" Thank you so much, Dan, um, for that gift. And, um, I I'm rooting for all of us to win. I just feel the devil always overplays his hand, and the devil definitely overplayed his hand with the assassination of Charlie Kirk. There's that.

" I definitely will say once I started realizing that all of the accounts, the stuff that Charlie and I are talking about, the typical people are starting to talk about Sandy Hook, I was like, "Oh, they're they're going to go for this. They're they want me hung hung, you know. They want me hung. o, thank you uh for that for your lawsuit fund.

Thank you for showing up for Charlie. You have built an amazing community. Much love and support from everyone around the world. Praying with and for you.

Christ is king. Yeah. I mean, if this is the this this is my hill to die on, uh, so to speak, not allowing the uh murder of my friend to happen in broad daylight and go unchecked and then the lies to be told and to watch everything he built for be destroyed and reversed overnight. That feels like something worth fighting for.

That feels that feels like there's such a a sin right now that I think we're all carrying. Like the whole world is carrying the sin of Charlie's assassination. uh the memory of watching that video and what was done and it it has to be cleansed. It has to be cleansed with and the only thing that can cleanse it is truth.

Everyone needs to know exactly what happened that day and who was behind it. It's the only way it works. And there are so many of us right now. There are so many of us right now and we're not quitting and we are just just so focused on this topic.

And I think that that they didn't expect that. Of course they didn't expect that. No. No way.

Real Seth Randle writes, "Can I love what you are doing? Keep fighting. " Indeed, we do. Carbon writes, "Three things.

When I first started watching you years ago, I thought Ben was your husband. " Yeah, I'm going to accept that apology, but I'm really not happy with you. I'm just going to take a five seconds here to be really angry at you, Catholics. So, I'm going to forgive you.

I'm a little angry. Two, I joined the Daily Wire because of you and I left when you left. And three, I have new grand three-month-old named Charlie. Keep fighting.

Oh, congratulations. Um, still really angry at you, but not at little Charlie. So sweet. Congratulations.

Brooke writes, "I'm so grateful for my weekdays with your platform. Thank you for refusing to let Charlie be forgotten and for staying committed to uncovering the truth. We appreciate you more than you know. Christ is king and Ben Shapiro is still um fake and gay and also dangerous.

I would add there like people that fixate like that. It's like there's some there's like a disorder or something. Uh he can't just go away, you know, just go away. You have more money, connections, just go live a nice life and let people think what they want to think.

Too much anger. And I think that that comes up with how they are raised. And I I do think he genuinely believes that he's chosen. Um and maybe he is, but it's certainly not by God, right?

I I don't think that people are chosen by God to behave like that. And yeah, I think that sort of brainwashing going through the same kind of psychology, which is the point of them being raised to think you're so special, you're so special, everything is yours, that they don't even know, they're not even aware of their own brainwashing. They don't they don't are not aware. um that hell is real.

It's really real. I wouldn't want to live like that. Um and know that I could face that eternal sentencing and they do it unflinchingly. " Ali writes, "I love your pods with Tom Woods and Scott Horton.

They made a history curriculum designed for homeschooling. We also need a pod with Larry Johnson. You would love Larry. He's a funny grandpa who's ex CIA and doesn't trust the Fed slop CK narrative.

I will be sure to check him out. Auntie Leash writes, "Yesterday's episode, my takeaway was Howard Hughes was manipulated into isolation, tortured till he handed over his fortune, murdered, and then painted as a madman to the public. It sounds familiar. Where have we seen this pattern before?

Everywhere, actually. Especially in Hollywood. It just I just go back and how much I used to believe it. And maybe that was all of us having sort of this parasite and believing the tabloids and believing what they said about people.

This person's crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy. Cuz they're trying to get you. 59 minutesThat's how the parasite works. It's they're trying to drive you crazy.

And that's why it's so important to have strong, stable, fortified people in your life. That's what Charlie was to me. And when I was going through that was 40 weeks pregnant when they were doing it to me. And um Oh, K, you're can't say what's wrong.

There's something wrong with you. Oh my god, I love you. Why would you say this? I hate to see you go this way.

What's wrong with you? And and then you're going, am I seeing correctly? Was genocide always wrong. And you have to have people like Charlie.

And and that's why I wanted to show that message of just this is what they're doing. This is happening. You're going to fight through this. Do not quit.

That's what they're trying to get you to do. Like he was that person to me. And I was also that person to him. We had each other's backs.

And we still do have each other's backs. You know, uh Charlie died. I'm riding. It was always a a ride or die situation and um he he's is still with us.

I want you guys to know that he really is. We have merch available on our website. Oh, I forgot one comment. Better love wrote, "There's an obvious war against truth and knowledge.

You can't speak the truth, nor can you know about any history that does not fit a narrative. Never stop fighting this evil. We will always stand with you. " Totally agree.

There will be justice for Charlie. Um as you guys know, the easiest way to support us is merch. You can go on the website, buy yourself a mug, buy yourself a Santa's cup, buy yourself a t-shirt, buy yourself um a battle bun. I think that's a magnet.

Nope, it's a logo sticker. And yeah, easiest way obviously, and we will always keep that up. Of course, the CIA hats, the central. We've been amazing.

By the way, this is the first time there's ever been an open investigation that has produced so much. And like I said, there is more to come. There is more to come, more around the corner. And it is because of everyone around the world doing the right thing.

And the more that turning point does the wrong thing, the more people realize, okay, I don't know what's going on, but I know that they are not good people. So don't be discouraged when you see that sort of stuff. When you see Andrew lying in the way that he is, be encouraged because it's awakening more people uh to diabolical diabolical nature of some people. Pray for Andrew Kov.

genuinely. Like I said, I don't I don't hate these people. I hate what they've done. Sure.

But I don't hate them. I don't have that in me. I don't want to I don't want to join them in that. I And I would still, like I always say, I would still sit down with them because uh from the beginning of this, all I've ever wanted are clear answers and we just can't seem to get them.

Anyway, you guys, also on the website, we do have that documentary I told you about, the vulnerable uh people project, which talks uh about that last community, the last um Catholic human rights organization that just got back from the West Bank where they filmed the last Christians, 2,000-year-old community that is facing settler violence. So, it's in the same vein as this, the IDF intimidation, the threat of eraser. The documentary is up. If you head to Club Candace, you can go watch that.

faith under occupation. We'll see you guys not tomorrow. We'll see you on Monday. [music]

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Racoonspiracy Slop? What is It and Why is Charlie Kirk Show Pushing It? - Ep 149
Baron Coleman
Streamed live 20 hours ago

Charlie Kirk Show employee Blake Neff made one of the more outrageous statements about Candace Owens in his long and distinguished career as a professional racist. It remains posted and an unedited.

We also take a look at some FARA filings and updates. We find paid influencers, bot farms, and more.



Transcript

Chapter 1: Introduction for that. Let me start over. We got a big show lined up for you tonight. Welcome in.

Welcome in. Welcome in. Um, no, I I reset the whole soundboard and everything else because I thought it was a soundboard issue. We'll get that fixed.

We'll get that fixed. When you watch the replay, you'll have no idea what we're talking about. If you like it, Crystal Clear HD, uh, by the way, I have upped the camera quality just a little bit. Uh, I hope it doesn't make me look any older, but if it does, keep your opinion to yourself.

If it does not, um, well, you're afraid to tell me all about it. No, I kid. I kid. Um, we got a good show lined up for you today.

We're gonna talk about the raccoon spiracy slop, ladies and gentlemen. That's not precisely that's not precisely what he called it. He called it something a little different. However, however, um, I don't know that we can say what he called it on air, but we're going to get to it.

Blake Nef has gone completely unhinged. something that is still on X as far as we're as far as as far as we know. It was on X before we started the show. I assume it's still there.

Um it is Blake Nef in his natural habitat. We'll go through that. What does it mean? Why did he say it?

And was it a mistake? No, I don't think it was. I don't think it was. Um I don't think you can call it a mistake if you leave it up for 24.

It's been up for almost . And it's still there. later, it's still there. It's still there.

He had an hour to edit the post. He did not. Everybody pointed it out. It's been all the talk all day.

It sounded very racist to me, to others, and he left it up. He left it up. No explanation, no apology. I can only assume he did it on purpose.

The only thing I can assume that he did it on purpose. " I apologize, ladies and gentlemen. If you're tuning in now, you'll you'll hear me in a moment and the sound will come on and it'll be amazing. It'll sound amazing.

It'll look amazing. We'll be amazing. Uh, we got a lot to do. I want to encourage you.

I did I I I said this when I first started and apparently there was no sound. Fed sloppers. 2 minutesIt's about to get really bad for you. It's about to get really bad for you.

There's still time to turn and at least take a cautious approach. If you are one of these people sold out on the Fed slop narrative, you still have time to pump the brakes, step back, and say, "You know what, ladies and gentlemen, we don't have all the facts. It's possible there are additional facts out there that have yet to be revealed. And in the coming days or weeks, those will be revealed.

And I encourage you, TPUSA insiders, government insiders, anyone who knows more than is public. Now's the time to come forward. The last one to the courthouse does not get a very good deal. The first one to the courthouse typically does.

If you want to be the whistleblower, now's your chance. Now's your chance. That's all I'll say. No hints, no nothing.

Now's your chance, Fed sloppers, cuz it's going to get bad. It's going to get really bumpy out there. All right, with that fair warning. Um, I want to dig 3 minutesinto the opening today, and I will warn you, this is going to be hard for me to get through.

Going to be hard for me to get through. I saw a story that popped up. I saw a story that popped up, an interview that's going to be played this weekend, and it really pulled on my heartstrings. It's a it's a guy that I did not consider a not a political enemy, but not a political ally.

A guy I agreed with sometimes, a guy I didn't agree with most of the time, it seems like. Um, and he was diagnosed with a terrible condition. And they're going to do an interview this weekend. And I started thinking about it.

And I after I saw the the clip of the interview, I had to run a couple errands today. I left the house. And I'm driving around, no sound, no music, no podcasting, just 10 and two, driving through neighborhoods. And I just did some thinking, did some hard thinking.

And the and and pieces of the opening started coming to me. I didn't know it was pieces of the opening, but by the time I got back home, I thought, there's my opening. That's what I'm going to write today. And I had to sit down and write it.

And it took a while. Um, and I will tell you, I had to stop a few times and walk around. So, if you are the sentimental type, buckle up. If you're not, check back in in about because this is your opening statement.

Chapter 2: Opening Statement - Time

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Chapter 3: RacoonspiracyGate and Blake Neff's Disturbing Post

Uh, I want to pull up this I want to pull up this Blake Nef piece because I truly do not understand what has gotten into the Teusa environment. I don't understand what's gotten into the Charlie Kirk show. I don't understand what's gotten into TP USA. I don't understand what's gotten into any of it.

Frankly, it's like it's like they're mad men. Learning what I learned this afternoon, maybe I understand why they're mad men. Time will tell. Time will tell how that turns out.

Uh, let me pull this up. I want to read through it. There's a word in here that was invented. It is a new word to the English lexicon.

It is conspiracy slop. That is the word is down here at the bottom. Right there at the bottom. Conspiracy slop.

A brand new word. Let's read how it got there. Uh today the centerpiece of Candace's show is a claim that a Mormon mafia engineered a takeover of Turning Point USA. Well, was that really the central centerpiece of her show yesterday?

I you know, I don't know. I don't know. Did you watch the whole show, Blake? Because you'd have to watch the whole show to know the turning point, the turning uh the centerpiece of the show.

So, I think this is kind of an admission. He's a stand at heart. He probably has the cup. He probably wears the CIA shirt.

He probably has the I told my priest I would chill shirt, but but I'm I'm going to allow him to have it. Candace rattles off people brought in by Tyler Boyer with the implication that the organization was gradually changed and corrupted while Charlie wasn't looking. That's not really what she said. I'm not going to go back and play it.

We're not going to litigate every line here, but that's not exactly what she said. She didn't indicate it was changed while Charlie wasn't looking. She indicated that Tyler Boyer created it in his image in in something he wanted. The funny part of this is that literally everyone she names, Tyler, Terrell Farnsworth, Andrew Cipher, was at Turning Point before Candace herself.

What difference does that make? You're you're making a timing argument, and the timing is totally irrelevant to her point. Maybe they turned it into this. I mean, accepting your initial premise, which I'm not sure we should, but accepting your central premise that it was turned into the Mormon Mafia without him noticing, well, maybe that was done before she arrived.

that your your statement here is irrelevant to your point, to her point. Candace's first official TPUSA head shot was taken at Terrell's office. Okay. Again, irrelevant.

You would think for someone that claims to be as smart as Blake Sniff, everyone acts like he's the smartest guy that ever walked. He's really bad at communication. He's not very good at it. We'll get to a particular example of that here in a second.

All of them have played integral roles in Turning Point for the past decade. Yes, that's her point. That's her point. That is exactly her point.

They have played integral roles in Turning Point. That is precisely her point. Once again, Candace is implicitly attacking Charlie himself, basically claiming his entire life's work was a sham from the beginning. Uh, again, I don't think she's claiming that.

I think she's claiming there were essentially two components to Turning Point. There was the Charlie component and then there was the the machine that was created within Turning Point. That machine is what continues. The Charlie part is dead.

The Charlie part is the only thing we recognized as Turning Point. We didn't know the machine existed. We hadn't paid attention to the machine. Now that Charlie's gone, the machine's the only thing we see.

But it's this last line that gets me because this last line is still online as far as I know. But that's what she needs to push her narcissistic conspiracy slot. Now ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, after you post something to X, you have two options. At any point, you can delete it.

You can remove it. But within , you can correct it. You can correct it. So exact, for example, if you meant to type conspiracy slop, conspiracy slop, you would type that out and then you you publish it and all of a sudden people are like blank black.

You said conspiracy slop and that sounds really racist. You go, "Oh my gosh, you're right. That does sound racist. " And you would take one of those O's out.

Maybe the first one, maybe the second one. Doesn't really matter. Just pull one of them. Pull one of them.

But if you're going to leave it there beyond the 60inute window in which you can delete it, you I mean but uh amend it, edit it, you can still delete it. You still have that option. That option doesn't go away at any point. You can go back and delete old tweets.

They've been doing that to Charlie for a while. So you could go back and delete it. I suppose there's a third option where you could add a clarifying statement. You could say, "Hey, oh, by the way, I did not mean to say this.

I know this sounds terrible. I would never say this uh about Candace Owens. This is this came out all wrong. Please accept my deepest and sincerest apologies.

Uh I do believe she's a conspiracy theorist. I do believe she engages in conspiracy slot, but I would never use racially derogatory language towards Candace and I apologize for that. I hope she accepts it. That option is still on the table.

To my knowledge, he has not done any of those three things. None. he's chosen instead just to leave it up and it's been the talk of the town. Pretty much everybody agrees that that looks really bad and it looks particularly bad in light of Blake Nef's history of being a rabid racist.

You remember Blake Nef was originally fired from Fox News and Tucker Carlson's show because he was quoting on a internet message board called Auto Admit. Auto admit. It's an incel forum. It's where uh angry men who can't get women go and they vent.

And apparently Blake found himself quite at home there. " Okay, nice. Nice. uh in 2020 he said black alle I'm going to blanket this all with all with allegedly but I think he's admitted to it but nevertheless allegedly in 2020 June 5th of 2020 he said black dudes staying inside playing Call of Duty is probably one of the biggest factors keeping crime down in other words we know all black dudes are out to kill and if they're not killing people in public in the streets they're probably killing people online And we're thankful that the public crime rate is going down, meaning they're probably just killing people online.

That's Charlie Kirk show producer Blake Nef. June 24th, 2020. Not to be outdone, he said. Honestly, given how tired black people always claim to be, maybe the real crisis is their lack of sleep.

I've known a lot of black people. I've never known them to be narcoleptic, particularly tired. Maybe. I don't know.

Um, the fact that Candace Owens runs circles around you ought to tell you it's not a racial issue. Um, and that's not even to mention the five-year reign of terror Blake Nef led against an Asian administrator at his former university where he called her an Asian mega shrew, stalked her Facebook page, talked about vacations she took, dates she'd been on, and it was pretty bad. And that's not to mention that that thread got revived on September 7th this year. Someone chimed back in on that thread talking again about the Asian mega.

Where is she now? What's she doing? Well, where had been Blake up until September 7th? He'd been in Korea and Japan.

Kind of ground zero for Asian women. A lot more of them there than at Dartmouth. Makes you wonder if that was him. I don't know for that last one.

That's the only one I don't know was him. I think the rest of them he's basically admitted are him. The rest of them he's basically admitted are him. But I raised the issue in light of TPSA's history with some of the um employment decisions they've made over the years.

They fired two people that I'm aware of for making racist comments. One was one of the basically founders of the organization with Charlie. She was operating as the de facto COO. Someone came across some text messages she'd allegedly sent to a former employee and she was gone sort of unceremoniously and it caused us caused chaos.

It was written about in the news. TPS USA was taking a media hit and they sacrificed her over it. It's funny that obviously she wasn't a true racist at heart because when she left there she went from TPUSA to live with Clarence Thomas who is last I checked black not white and uh went on to to go to law school and and lead a good career. So that was one of the people who had made the comments.

Admittedly comments she shouldn't have been texting at work but nevertheless that's what happened. There was another one that was fired for making some racist comments along the way. I can't I can't remember the exact details of that, but it raises the issue of why is Blake allowed to stay? Why is he so important to the organization?

He does he is are are college students identifying with Blake Snf? Are college students looking at Blake Snuff and be like, "Yeah, bro. That's what I aim to be. I aim to be Blake Nef.

I want to be on a podcast where I kind of whine and complain and I'm I'm like a closet stand and and then I get on Twitter every night and argue with people. I doubt Blake Nef is really identifying with that many. Uh there was an argument to be made while Charlie was alive. Maybe he found some value in Blake's ability to help prepare him for debates and all that stuff.

I I question that, but maybe, you know, it's possible. But the the reality is Charlie's not with us anymore. It's been almost a year. No one's out there debating anyone.

No one's out there uh running on campuses and doing So what's he still doing there? What's he still doing there? What's he still doing there? The reality is we don't know.

The reality is we don't know. I want to show one more thing. Um this came up today. Okay.

I tried to pull it up before the show started, but Candace's show had not yet processed. Uh, and I was waiting for it to process before I pulled it up. Chapter 4: Candace Owens Drops Charlie Kirk Text Thread re: OGA Now, all right, here it is. Um, it's still not processed all the way, but we'll play it anyway.

I mentioned one time on the show that that Candace holds back a lot. And I had a lot of people ask, "What does that mean? " Like, she knows a lot. And I don't know why she doesn't drop all these bombs.

She She kind of holds them back. And maybe it's uh, you know, out of a commitment to privacy. Maybe it I don't know what it is, but she holds a lot back. And I gave an example of of some things she had showed me on her phone.

Did not violate her confidence. Did not tell you what the content of that was at all. Um, but I couldn't understand why she hadn't dropped some of those bombs because I think it goes right to the heart of all the arguments against her. Well, tonight she did drop some of those bombs.

And I will show you just an example of what I was talking about. Attacks against me and you are going to be able to judge for yourself what kind of relationship we had. Uh, shockingly, just to be clear, I was working for Ben Shapiro, who's a part owner of Daily Wire for that company when this was going down. And it was obvious that there was a coordinated effort from the inside post October 7th, to begin privately pressuring and smearing anybody who wasn't repeating the narrative that Israel uh were the only victims, that everything began on October 7th, and they had a right to do whatever they wanted.

Um, the beginning of the infamous Christ is king and genocide is always wrong scandal when they started swarming. That's the way I can describe it. swarm infestation. So, here are the messages.

So, read these messages and tell because we're going to cover a few things tonight. This is a good leadin to what we were going to cover tonight. Anyway, read these messages and tell me if this sounds consistent with what everybody is screaming at the top of their lungs that Charlie believed until the very bitter end and that if he said anything at all, he was just blowing off a little steam, but he remained true to the cause till the very end. Just read this with me.

Charlie sent me his tweet defending me. I am genuinely confused why asking questions and quoting Bible verses about peace warrants a call to resign from the Daily Wire. There should be more room in the conservative movement for disagreement. We can do better than this.

" I said, "I won't. " He knew exactly what Jeremy was. 100% workshopped this. This is not Ben acting alone.

This is a hit. I said, "I believe it. I believe that 100%. " Which was what was happening.

They were trying to provoke me to quit. " I came back and I said, "Also, Marissa," and I was referring to Marissa Strait of Prager University is involved. I suspect they always send her out last to talk sense to me. He said, "They want you to do a video.

Oh my god, I'm out. " I said, 'I believe it. He said, Marissa Strait, she's part of the tribe. Do not listen to her.

I want to drill in on that line for a second. She's part of the tribe. I'll come back to that in a second. But ladies and gentlemen, if Charlie's texts were being observed, them's fighting words.

Them's fighting words. Uh, you guys may not know this, but tribe is a slur against Jewish people. part of the tribe. Uh sometimes you'll hear people refer to them as members of the tribe.

That is not a compliment. That's not a compliment, ladies and gentlemen. That is a slur. Uh am I saying Charlie's engaging in some sort of anti-semitic slur?

Well, not necessarily. I mean, it's possible. Maybe he didn't mean it quite that way, but man, he had to know what the double entandra was behind that. He might it he might not have known.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. He's passed. He can't answer for himself. But man, I almost fell off my rocket chair today when she played that clip and I was like, she's part of the tribe.

Whoa. I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe it. Okay.

Oh, sorry. I'll continue. Oh, and in case you wonder, she is part of the tribe. I mean, in the like Ben Shapiro, Jeremy, part of the gang.

Part of the gang. Um, she is Jewish, though, if you're wondering. She was part of the IDF. She was part of Unit 8200.

They're kind of like elite uh technical forces. So, she she's there. She's there. Um, but but maybe, let's give him the benefit of the doubt.

Maybe he's just saying she's part of the gang that wants to hit up on you. Um, this was not the night before he died. Okay, this is not the night before he died. Oh no, did I not play it again?

Dang it. I've pulled two Barons tonight. I'll back it up. Back it up.

Back it up. Back it up. I apologize, ladies and gentlemen. I'll back it up.

I apologize. 37 minutesI apologize. Not my night, ladies and gentlemen. Not my night.

If you're tuning in for the first time, it's usually a lot better than this. He said, "They want you to do a video. Oh my god, I'm out. " He said, "Marissa Strait, she's part of the tribe.

" I said, "I know she is. I always know when they roll her out, it's like programming. And this time I stood up to her because I did that time. Did not apologize for saying genocide is always wrong.

" Again, that's the line where I stopped. You guys weren't watching at the time. Obviously, you were watching the side of my head, but that was not the night before he died. Like we're told it's only the night before he died that he ever vented.

He just, you know, had a maybe had a minstroke, maybe he off his rocker, had too much coffee, he, you know, uh, uh, slept on the wrong side of the bed. I don't know. But this was like a year before he died or maybe more. I told all the Jews recently to go to hell who try and tell me to stop.

If Charlie's texts were being monitored, and I have strong suspicion that his texts were being monitored. If his texts were being monitored, this is the type of text that would send a flag up the flag pole and put Charlie's life in jeopardy. This is the type of text that would have put his life in jeopardy. Now, does that mean everyone who texts like that, if you know, two low-level political operatives get fired up and and say the same?

No. No. But Charlie was the golden boy. Charlie was the golden boy.

I'll show you tonight evidence of that. That they're still trying to portray him as the golden boy for the cause. This is this is what he's this was how he really felt about what was going on at the time. 39 minutesI said it's unreal.

It's an implicit threat. He said BW did the flight workout. Okay. I was 40 weeks pregnant.

He was helping me to find a plane last second. And I said, "By the way, you are featured in my Tucker interview that just dropped. I offended you hardcore. " And he said, "Thank you.

We are on the same team. " And I said around the 20-minute mark. And he said, "Thank you for doing that. I really appreciate it.

" To the Cabal. Oh man. Tribe Cabal. Charlie telling them all to go to hell.

Uh guys, the honestly when you see text messages like this, it is liberation of the I got to be very careful how I word this. When you see text messages like this, it is vindication. Maybe that's a better way to vindication for the idea that there might have been an interest in taking Charlie out due to his evolving position on this issue. When Tucker said that recently that, oh, he wasn't killed for his opinion on trans rights, he was killed for his opinion on this particular issue relative to our greatest ally.

Oh my gosh, people had a fit. They threw a fit. They panicked. They they dropped everything they were doing and immediately launched into attack Tucker mode and and see if we can revive Charlie Kirk's legacy mode.

Well, guys, this isn't something he came up with the very last second right before he passed away. This is evidence that he was struggling with with a group of people and an issue for a very long time. I'm not saying he was right. I'm not saying he was wrong.

That's not my point of playing this. My point is they're not being honest about his legacy. They're not being honest about his thoughts. They're not being honest about who he truly was.

They're not being honest about the struggles he was going through. I said, "Thank you so much for having my back. You know, I have yours. I'm really so disgusted by what they did to you.

Years of service to the Pro Israel cause, and no one cares, treating you like you are only as good as what you can do to them. The plane worked out great today. Thank you so much. It made all the difference this pregnant lol literally 40 weeks.

And he wrote, "Absolutely. We are on the same team. " He continued, "It is so transactional. I am repulsed by it.

For years, I was I was called a Jewish Jewish shill and now they say I am a Hamas agent. Screw them. " So that was a month and a week after October 7th. We got a date on the last one.

That was a month and a week after October 7th. It was almost three years ago now, but it was right right at two years, almost under two years from when he passed away. I've heard a lot of speculation recently that the plan to remove Charlie might have gone into place a lot earlier than we previously suspected. There's been a lot of speculation that the plan to remove Charlie may have really started in earnest the summer before he passed.

like June, July. I don't think so. I don't think so. Are you guys familiar with a um a sermon?

I can't remember the guy's name who wrote it. Hang on. Jonathan Edwards sermon, Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God is the name of it. You can buy it.

You can read it. It's short. Pretty powerful if we're being honest. Um, I think he was a he a Methodist preacher or something back in the uh mid 18th century like the 1750s60s.

Jonathan Edwards centers in the hands of an angry god. There's a line in there about God holding us in his hand and we're like the spider on the end of a thread of spider silk and we're being held over an open bonfire and at any moment God could open his fingers and let us fall into the bonfire but he doesn't. but he could. And that any moment you're just moments away, just mere milliseconds away from plunging down.

The Greeks had an idea of the sword of Damocles, right? It would be above your head. It was on a very thin uh string and it could be cut at a moment's notice. The sword would come down and end your life.

You'd never know it was coming. I feel like Charlie was sort of the spider on the end of that spider thread over the open bonfire. He was standing under the sword of Damocles and he was in that situation for a couple of solid years because of comments like that. I think it's very I don't know what just happened.

I don't know if I'm still here. Everything just locked up on me. Um the um the idea that Charlie somehow um was able to have conversations like these and those conversations go without notice is highly unlikely. We jokingly talk about how you you make a comment about titleist golf balls.

I don't play golf, but if I did, maybe I have a conversation with a friend and I'm saying, you know, I really like the new titalist golf ball. big fan of the titleist golf ball. I need to get a sleeve of them and all of a sudden um I get an advertisement from Amazon, from Google, and I'm looking at titleless golf balls. I've never talked about titleless golf balls a day in my life.

I've never seen an advertisement, but there they are. They're listening. We joke about it, but it's reality. It's what happens.

That's what happens. We also joke about the NSA and the FBI eavesdropping on our conversations. Tucker Carlson famously mentioned that he was even on one of the supposedly private apps, Signal, and that he's having a conversation on his Signal app trying to set up an interview with a foreign head of state when he's contacted by federal officials who say, "Hey, what are you doing? Don't do that.

" And then they read him the messages. They saw them. They They knew them. They knew what he was saying.

We talk about emails. I hear this all the time. People will say, "Hey, I want to send you something. " Why?

The implication is somebody's watching your email. Somebody's watching your text either algorithmically through AI or maybe actual organic interference, meaning a human being is intercepting your communications and reviewing them in real time or at least at some later date. You think for a second they're worried about your humble host and they're not worried about Charlie Kirk, the golden boy who they're investing hundreds of millions of dollars into, flying all over the country 300 days a year. They're sending him out with a message.

You think they wouldn't be looking at his text messages? You think they wouldn't know what his private thoughts were on these issues? Of course they would. Of course they would.

And from that moment on, he's a sinner in the hands of an angry god. He's standing under the sword of damicles. Any moment that thing could come collapsing down on him at a moment's notice because they knew his true thoughts. They knew what he was talking about.

They knew what he was telling people about. So, I think the plan to remove Charlie probably started much much earlier. You remember the PBD podcast that he did where he was sitting in front of those what look like safety deposit boxes and he's talking about this is just a couple of weeks after October 7th, maybe a week or two after October 7th. And he's talking about I think the plan is genocide.

" Well, how's that turned out? How was that prediction? It looks pretty good to me. Like it looked like he might have had some inside information, may have known something.

But you can't go saying stuff like that in public and then two or three weeks later texting Candace things like this in private and stay on side with your team. He said it there in the last text that he sent her. I've been called an Israeli shield this whole time and now they're saying I'm a I'm a Hamas defender. Well, yeah.

Yeah. They're saying that because they know your positions. They know what your true thoughts are. Chapter 5: FARA Filings Show a Deep Effort to Manipulate Social Media and Re-Brand Charlie Kirk I'm going to show you something now that's a little weird if we're being honest.

Knowing what we know about how Charlie Kirk really felt in private and public on this issue in the final not days of his life, years of his life, the final years of his life, how he felt on this topic, particularly them pressuring him to take certain positions and say certain things. I want to show you a website. This website is called Hear from Us: The Israel Experience. The next best thing to being there.

The Israel Experience is an immersive in-person encounter that brings the land, people, and story of Israel into your community. You can host the experience. You can click a button and host the experience. It gives you a self-guided walk through the story, land, and life.

So, you can fly over it, you know, in a movie theater. You can or like on a screen. Then they put a VR headset on you and you can relive a mass attack, a war, a battle. I for some reason that they think that's a good idea.

Uh and then right after that, you go to the kids discovery space. 50 minutesYou follow the story line. You see these people here. They've got these masks on, these VR masks.

They're watching a an attack take place. That's like a kid and a dad. But this is the So what is this? Who who runs this organization?

What is this? Ladies and gentlemen, this is the show faith by works effort. We've talked about this work. You can see it down here on the lower left hand side.

Show faith by works. The material is distributed by show faith by works on behalf of Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Additional information available at the Department of Justice, Washington DC. Well, we made ourselves at home with that information and dug through it.

Uh on the website, anytime you have to put this on your website, you can be sure it is in fact propaganda. Uh our posture, we are not lobbyists and this is not propaganda. If you have to say it, it probably is. It probably is.

And again, if you have to give a disclaimer that it is paid for by our greatest ally, then you have to file with FAR, then by nature, it is both propaganda and lobbying. That's the definition. That's the definition. Like, I don't have to register with them.

I'm not taking money from a foreign government to try to convince you otherwise. I'm not trying to propagandize you. We have a self-guided tour. Let's look at the self-guided tour here real quick.

Now, it's important to note not all of this is available on the website if you just go clicking around. Uh our very own Daisy might have found some additional information on this website that's not available yet. Uh but it is it's public. It's just not mapped on their on their website.

You can't click and find it. But you start listening to your self-guided audio tours. You click a button. You go to a tent, tent C, and you learn about the people.

Then you go to tent D. You learn about the Old Testament. Tent E, the New Testament. 10 F, survival and resilience.

Tent G, modernday Israel. Tent S, Survivor VR. This is where you hear the Survivor stories from October 7th. And then you keep going on.

Okay. Well, what when you click those stories, what what are you going to get? Well, here is the fact sheet. Here is the fact sheet that they hand out to churches who are hosting this event.

Um, what is the experience? It is a fully immersive on-site mobile exhibition that brings the story directly to your church or community. Nine modular display tents and a 34 foot exhibition trailer. This is not a fly by night operation.

A fully self-contained mobile museum set up at your location. State-of-the-art 100deree theater, exhibits, displays, curated artifacts designed for Christian audiences, brainwashing material, a trained team to manage setup, flow, and guide interaction. a a propaganda team, a children's area for younger attendees to indoctrinate them early, on-site security full event insurance and yada yada yada. So, this is kind of the fact sheet of what you can expect if you order up this.

Oh, people are not able to read the docs. Just trust me. Just trust me. You've missed nothing so far.

You've missed nothing. We have an 8-week study course that you can get if you're not thoroughly indoctrinated on your one-day visit to the um to the mobile tent. You have an 8-week study guide. You can watch, study, listen, reflect.

Got all the good stuff here. 54 minutesSo, this is just sort of an idea of what they're paying for, what they're trying to do. I want you to This is the articles list. And so I'm I'm going to set the scene for you.

You go there and you get your little headphones and you can as you go from tent to tent, you click on little buttons on a on a pad or whatever on your phone. You click on little buttons and it'll play through an article for you. So I'm going to show you what these things are. This will give you an idea of what the different stories are.

So you you click you go into the thing and you click number one. Well, number one comes up. Why did God choose Israel? Okay, fair enough.

So then you go to number two here. Why does the Torah matter to Christians? All right. Yeah, we're good.

We're good. Number three, how is the Jewish Tanakh different from the Christian Old Testament? All right. Gotcha.

Gotcha. Roger. And it's just things like this. Why does the Western Wall still matter today?

Okay. Now, let's slide down to number 13 here. I don't want to I don't want to build too much suspense. Uh, let's let's so 11.

How did Israel win the 1948 War of Independence? Okay, got it. Got it. Number 12, what is replacement theology?

This is a madeup term that doesn't exist, but whatever. Watch number 13. Lucky number 13 here. Watch.

Watch what you'll never believe what pops up in light of what we just talked about here from Charlie Kirk in the midst of all this whatever this stuff is. I don't know. You might like it, you might not. I don't particularly care.

But how does why are we hearing from Charlie Kirk? Why is that a thing? Now, keep in mind what we just read in his text messages, what he's thinking. Keep in mind everything we just read, everything he's thinking.

This is the video. Now, all this stuff is wildly out of context, by the way. But watch this video. If you bless Israel, you will be blessed.

If you scorn Israel, you will be scorned. I have a heart for Israel. It made me a stronger Christian in a way I can't even tell you, right? That's the appearance where he went on to say, "Oh, and they're engaged in the G-word.

" I mean, they're taking these things so wildly out of context. I'm not going to play the whole video because it's just a minute and a half of that. taking him out of context because often times what he would do is when he would lobby a criticism, he would first give a declaratory statement. I love the place, the greatest place ever.

I've been there twice. Loved both times. However, what's happening is blah blah blah. And he would go on and list all the reasons why he was frustrated with the current situation.

They cut all that part out. Obviously, they cut all that out. Here's the PBD clip they used. I'm going to quote from it.

I'm not going to sit here and play it, but I'm going to quote from it. The clip they use says, "And I have a heart for Israel. I can tell you what it did. " That's the clip they used.

Here's what he said four minutes before. This is the part they didn't use. But the fact is now BB and the Israel hard-right government has a mandate. I got to be careful the way I say this.

They're they're going to try to ethnically cleanse Gaza. I mean that. And I don't use that term lightly, okay? 5 million people.

They didn't play that part. They didn't play that part. They played the the other part. They played the part he said four minutes later.

Why didn't they Why didn't they play that part? That that part seems pretty relevant to the context of what you're trying to tell us he meant and said, right? Well, sort of. Sort of.

Sort of. And so we get an idea of all this money coming into the country. I before I go to this next part, I just want to ask you a question. If Russia or China or I don't know, Gaza was spending Iran was spending tens of millions of dollars on this type of an operation.

Don't you think people would lose their mind? Russia spent like $25,000 on Facebook ads during an election season and there was a multi-year investigation and they tried to impeach the president like uh a few tens of thousands of dollars. They literally try they actually tried to impeach they did impeach the president. They didn't convict him, but they did impeach him.

Can you imagine if they were spending a hundred plus million dollars on this effort? Can you imagine if they were Well, well, what else were they doing? We'll show you because it wasn't just that one organization. It's not just show faith by works.

There's also a company called Bridges Partners. Bridges Partners. We've heard the joke often about the 7K per month or per post or whatever. Here's where it comes from.

This is where that came from. Let me zoom in because you guys complained I couldn't wasn't in tight enough last time. This is where that came from. You'll see the invoice right here.

So, this is the invoice for the Esther project. The Esther project influencer campaign. Initial payments for production and influencers concept development with each influencer. begin matching with Israeli content partners in writing initial post $60,000.

They're paying influencers to write posts. Development phase for influencers in production. Five to six influencers begin creating content begin onboarding additional influencers. Post volume approximately 30 25 to 30.

So 30 posts net $140,000. And they say that the podcasters are making too much money. What? You could get 140 grand for 30 xosts.

That's a pretty good deal. A pretty good deal. Payment for influencers production 3 to four additional influencers begin. New Israel connections created.

Post volume approximately 25 to 30. So 30 posts, $200,000. That is ludicrous amounts of money proposed. This is just one invoice.

This is just one invoice that we have. Payments for influencers in production. Three to four more influencers activated. Activated.

That's what you talk about. An agent, you activate them. A military member. You activate them.

Further expansion of content partnerships. Post volume approximately 25 to 30. $250,000. Here's a final influencers in production.

three to four more activated post volume 25 to 30. So, we've got four. Let's call let's call it four. Let's do let's do lowest number.

Three, six, nine, uh 14. 14 influencers like I don't know what's that half a million million dollars. It's a lot of money. Threequarters of a million bucks maybe more.

you know, you start putting together, you got a real income coming in. That's where we got that idea. That was from Bridg's partner. Well, we got a supplemental statement from Bridg's partners.

And on the supplemental statement, we actually get some specifics. We get some specifics here. For example, um, is this the one that had the the bot thing on it? Hold on.

No. Um, no, no, no. Okay, we get a breakdown of particular dollars spent to particular organizations. This gives you an idea again of how much money is flying around in this operation.

You want to know why some people all of a sudden have a great interest in this topic? Look at some of this money floating around. Wholehearted Love LLC. We believe that is that top line right there is a podcast.

There's a podcast out there called Wholehearted Love. I can't state with certainty that's what it is. But how many organizations do you know are called wholehearted love? Uh that podcast they gave him $4,500.

We have no idea why. We don't know if it was an advertisement. " Then you got this D3 Entertainment segmented audience marketing $25,000. Canandor marketing 11.

Then this Rollop and Roland Samuel Lopez. It's all the same person. 4,000 6,000 8,000 4,000 10,000 5500 3,000 3100 54 again this is just one invoice that we've gotten our hands on. Just one more invoice that we've gotten our hands on.

Oh, I'm being told it is the podcast because we now have the LLC filing owned by two Christian influencers named Caleb and Stephanie Rouse. I don't know them. They offer Christian counseling. They also offer foreign propaganda.

Pick your poison. Pick your poison. Um, we've got this guy. This is Canandor Marketing.

This is the guy who runs it. His name is Nick Hurst. He's on one of the list of people getting money. We have no idea why.

This is him here. He is a preacher. Why are foreign governments paying our preachers who wear skinny jeans? If I go to a church and the preacher has a print on his jeans, I am leaving.

That's it. That's all I need to see. Goodbye. Goodbye.

But he's a preacher. Why are we paying a preacher five figures of foreign propaganda money? Why? Why?

Uh Roland Lopez, uh John Groves. John Groves. John Groves gets $8,000. John Groves looks like a preacher.

Why is he getting money? What's going on? Why are we paying our preachers foreign propaganda money? When you show up at your church, you hope that the preacher is preaching his conscience.

It's not an advertisement for some foreign government. That's weird. If my preacher's on the payroll of China, I don't want to be there. If he's on the payroll of Iran or Russia, I don't want to go.

If he's on the payroll of our greatest ally, miss me. I don't want to be there. I'll see you somewhere else. Now, that was just the second organization.

We had Show Faith by Works. We had bridges partners. Now we have targeted communications. Let me pull this up here.

Targeted communications. Why is it so small? There we go. Oh.

Uh I'm trying to find the amount on this here. Here's another invoice we get. Jeepers creepers, Mr. Paper.

Um, you'll have to trust me. I'm I'm I'm rolling it up a little bit because there's an an address on there and I'm not 100% sure if that's a home address or a business address. Uh, but this is a targeted communications on behalf of our greatest ally, US Strategic and Creative Consulting. This started in January of last year and went through the end of September.

5 million. 5 million through the first quarter. 5 million there. 5 million there.

Then we've got advertising after Charlie passes. 2 million. A lot of money flowing around in this issue. When you see the engagement, when you see your favorite podcaster and all of a sudden all they can do is talk about it.

I've seen this. We have one that's an enemy of no friend of the show. He's a friend of the show. But it doesn't matter what you're talking about.

Like, oh, you saying it's Jews. You saying it's Jews. Like, what are you talking about? No one's ever mentioned the Jews.

It's not something we talk about. Why are you so obsessed with it? Well, maybe. I don't know, but maybe.

Maybe we know. Yeah, it's in Euro dates. Euro trash. Oh, I mean, excuse me, my European friends.

We don't say that here in the United States. We don't mean that. We don't say that. We would never ever ever say that.

Um, we have a supplemental filing here. So, what happens here is every time these organizations have contact with the media, they have to report it. In theory, this particular organization did. So, we're able to look and see all the contact they've had with media.

So, on Fox News, 21 days after Charlie passes, they're trying to do a media pitch. The next day, they're on CNN trying to do a TV booking, PR management. CNN and Newsweek TV booking. The day after that, Fox News by text media pitch.

Couple of days later, CNN TV booking. Couple of the same day, Newsmax TV booking. NewsNation TV booking CNN TV booking CNN TV booking CNN TV booking CNN TV booking the bester BBC the beeb TV booking news nation TV booking this is all just in the first week of October Fox News Fox News Fox News BBC TV booking now we go into week two CNN CNN NBC NewsNation BBC Fox News NewsNation Fox News Fox News, ABC News, CNN, Newsmax, BBC, NBC News, CBS, Bloomberg, NewsNation. If you watch any of these organizations, if you read any of these organizations, this is who is providing their guests.

This is who is providing the guests. You just look at it. Fox Business, Fox News, Fox News, Daily Wire, Fox News, Fox News, New York Post, Daily Wire, LJ World. I don't even know what that is, but you just read on and on.

It just keeps going. Just keeps going. Fox News Radio, Houston, Fox News Radio, LA, California Post, Southern California News Group. 5 almost three a total of $10 million total of $10 million.

Then this is their advertising. They advertise $7,500 with the Daily Caller. They spend all this money on advertising. Breitbart News $40,000.

Well, is Breitbart News going to give you honest reporting on this issue? Maybe, maybe not. We already knew Daily Wire wasn't, so that's wasted money. They were going to say that anyway.

Uh XC Corp X almost $700,000 to advertise on X. And then down here, you've got another $240,000. 10 minutesIt's almost a million bucks to advertise on X. One wonders, are they advertising through the traditional platform or is this money being spent to creators to advertise?

Like if you pay some podcaster and he's out there on X promoting your cause, is that part of that payment? How does that work? How does that work? Here is uh the website.

Well, I don't I won't show that. Oh, this is a good one. So, one of the places they spend a bunch of money is this K creative, right? This K creative.

This is a good a good way to figure out why your feed often looks the way it does. You remember after the White House correspondence dinner event? Look at that. Control the narrative.

You remember after the White House correspondence dinner event, there were like 40 uh social media influencers all with the same message. Got to build the ballroom. This is why we need a ballroom. Don't tell President Trump he can't have his ballroom.

Stand down on the ballroom. Well, that's what K Creative specializes in. You want to see an example of it? I'll show you.

They're proud of it, by the way. They're proud of it. They show actual examples of their things. And notice who's in here.

Benny boy. Benny Boy Johnson. Look at that. Here's 24 straight minutes of Democrats denying election results.

Why didn't the Republicans DA prosecute them? Clay Travis. Here's of Democrats denying election results. When will these crimes be prosecuted and all these Democrat politicians be arrested?

Libs of Tik Tok. Here's straight minutes of Democrats denying election results. Whatever you do, do not share this. They're bragging.

They're bragging. And then they have all these different examples of all these different stories. This is why it looks that way. This is why your social media feed looks the way it looks.

This is why you scroll. " They're bragging. It's an advertising campaign. They're bragging that it's an advertising campaign.

Now, we got yet another one. This one's good. This is probably my favorite one. This is the one I've been waiting to get to.

I've been I've been scrolling past the other ones in order to get to this. All right. This is a uh a company called what are they called? SD SKD Nickerbacher.

You gota be careful how you say that. Got be careful how you say that. Uh, Mr. Transcript, it's Nickerbacher, like the New York Nickerbachers.

DK Nickerbacher LLC. They will tell you right here, they are uh contracting with a foreign principal. We know who it is. It's our greatest ally.

We scroll. We scroll. We scroll. What are we doing here?

All right, here's the execution. A lady named Jasmine Hook signed it. What exactly are we trying to accomplish? This is my favorite one, by the way.

Stagwell. We're going to do some PR support. We got some services here. Service provider.

That's the the company that's going to provide the services. Check this out. Check this out. One of the things they have agreed to do, service provider will develop a botbased program on various social media channels.

for example, Instagram, Tik Tok, LinkedIn, YouTube that floods the zone with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs pro-Israel message. Do I need to make that even bigger? I want you to see this. It's this.

It's this little four right here. They're flooding the zone with bots. botbased program on your favorite social media channel that floods the zone with pro- greatest ally messaging. That's what they are paying for.

That's what this company agreed to provide. So when you get on X, when you get on YouTube, when you get in the game and you're on social media and you see this, golly, what is going on here? Ah, it's too much. It's my zone is being flooded.

Ah, I'm in the zone and the whole zone is flooded. It's not organic. The posts aren't organic. We just saw Benny Johnson engaging in one of those campaigns.

They used him as an example of how effective their campaign is. Notice how he says the exact same thing everybody else said. Uh Benny, that's not a compliment. That means you're a hack.

Means you're a paid hack. You're a what do they call it when someone pays and they exchange services? Maybe you take your clothes off and you take payment and you provide a service and then you go home. There's some word for it.

Starts with a P, rhymes with prostitution. You're an admitted prostitute. You're an admitted prostitute, Benny. I mean, guys, luckily for us, they have to disclose this stuff, or at least they're supposed to, and to some extent, they have.

I don't know how long they'll continue to comply with these disclosure requirements. I don't I don't know. Um, but did Benny Johnson disclose he got paid for that tweet when 40 people the night of the White House correspondents dinner all tweeted about it's time to build the ballroom? Did any of them disclose having being paid for that?

Shouldn't they? You know, if I take a an advertisement from a beverage company, some energy drink, and I tell everybody how great the energy drink is. If I don't if I don't disclose that I was paid for that tweet, that's a violation of the terms of service. I can be kicked off for life.

I could be demonetized and banned from X for doing that. YouTube, same thing. You know, I I jokingly talk about Goat Water all the time. It's great.

If Goat Water ever started paying me and I didn't tell you and I kept just the stick up, oh, I love Goat Water. Goat Water is the best. Everybody should go buy Goat Water. If they if I got paid any kind of remuneration at all, say that right, any kind of money whatsoever coming in, any kind of compensation, they sent me free bottles to try.

If I don't disclose that, I could be kicked off the site. Why is it any different if you're acting on behalf of a campaign like that? Why aren't they being questioned? Why when your profile, Benny, is on the page bragging about the effectiveness of the advertising campaign and that you were a part of it and you didn't disclose?

I don't think he disclosed. " Looks like you did. Libs of Tik Tok, did you get paid for this? If you got paid for this and didn't disclose it, that's a violation of our terms of service.

Here's a warning or here's you're off. One or the other. I wonder about that with some of these podcasters and their content and their attacks on certain other podcasters. Are you being paid to attack me?

Are you being paid to attack Candace Owens? Is someone giving you something of value in exchange for that? Because if the answer to that question is yes, you should disclose that. You absolutely should disclose that.

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