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Part 1 of 4 (Tape No. 4)
Interview with Kay Griggs
by Pastor Strawcutter
Full Transcript
1996
[Transcribed from the video by Tara Carreon]
Tape No. 4 of 4
Start of Tape 4
[Pastor Strawcutter] Your name is Katherine Pollard Griggs.
[Kay Griggs] Yes.
[Pastor Strawcutter] You are the wife of Colonel George Griggs?
[Kay Griggs] Yes.
[Pastor Strawcutter] 11 years of marriage?
[Kay Griggs] Yes.
[Pastor Strawcutter] It’s true that your husband has been the head of Special Operations under Admiral [Frank B.] Kelso, NATO?
[Kay Griggs] Yes.
[Pastor Strawcutter] And it’s true you were the head of the Hospitality Committee?
[Kay Griggs] Yes.
[Pastor Strawcutter] You were a member of the Executive Board of NATO’s Wives’ Club?
[Kay Griggs] Yes. Absolutely.
[Pastor Strawcutter] And also, your husband’s background includes NATO Defense College in Rome?
[Kay Griggs] Yes.
[Pastor Strawcutter] Princeton Class of 1959.
[Kay Griggs] Yes.
[Pastor Strawcutter] His intelligence career, his spy career, began in Vietnam?
[Kay Griggs] Yes.
[Pastor Strawcutter] And it’s also true that it continues until this day?
[Kay Griggs] Absolutely, under General Wilhelm.
[Pastor Strawcutter] And that your husband was the liaison between the White House and President Gemayel of Beirut, Lebanon, at the time of the bombing of the Marine barracks in Lebanon?
[Kay Griggs] Yes.
[Pastor Strawcutter] And in fact your husband was an alcoholic?
[Kay Griggs] Absolutely. Incredible.
[Pastor Strawcutter] And continues to this day?
[Kay Griggs] Absolutely.
[Pastor Strawcutter] During these drunken stupors, he would, so to speak, blab on and tell you everything he knew about the intelligence community?
[Kay Griggs] Everything.
[Pastor Strawcutter] Nothing was hid?
[Kay Griggs] No.
[Pastor Strawcutter] It was like he wanted to relieve himself and unburden his heart?
[Kay Griggs] Yes.
[Pastor Strawcutter] And so he told you everything that you now know about the intelligence community that you are talking about?
[Kay Griggs] Yes.
[Pastor Strawcutter] And in fact, he told you that they knew the bombing was coming down in Beirut before it occurred?
[Kay Griggs] Absolutely.
[Pastor Strawcutter] And also, by your association with him, you have come to understand and know, as shocking as this may sound to the people who are viewing this, that the United States military is literally run by sexual deviants heavy on the homosexual side?
[Kay Griggs] Truly.
[Pastor Strawcutter] And the U.S. military, people like Jeffrey Dahmer and [Ted] Kaczynski and [Timothy] McVeigh and [Lee Harvey] Oswald, and a host of other people, who have a sexual deviant background, primarily homosexual, these individuals are actually sought out by people in the military –
[Kay Griggs] Army.
[Pastor Strawcutter] -- the Army for advancement into intelligence-type work because they are so easy to control? And they actually become mind slaves? And that the U.S. military literally, as outrageous as this sounds, is a mind control operation?
[Kay Griggs] Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Totally now. They’ve gotten rid of the good folks, like [General] MacArthur. They got rid of them, one by one. It’s a total takeover.
[Pastor Strawcutter] Okay. Let’s talk about the individual who told you that we’ve never actually been an enemy of the Soviet Union, that somehow that’s all just been a scam.
[Kay Griggs] Well, my husband. The first three years that we were married, he was drinking three or four straight gin-vodkas a night, a bottle of wine, and there was a beer machine beside his desk. I only knew him two months before he asked me to marry him. He had been married before. And his first wife was a total alcoholic.
[Pastor Strawcutter] Now someone would ask, why would you marry a man after only knowing him two months?
[Kay Griggs] I’m a strong protestant Christian, and I had a lot of predestination [ideas]. I had a Scottish grandmother, and I was working as Assistant Director of the Chamber of Commerce. I had a brand new, relatively new Saab – my first car. It was a 1983 Saab I bought second-hand from somebody who was 84 [years old]. And my husband was driving a 1983 Saab. Mine was a turbo; his was not. He rented part of my house.
I had a young doctor and his wife and two children who were renting the house. They were leaving before the end of the lease time, and they put the ad in the paper, and told me about all of these people. And I said, “No, no, no, no.” And I had been engaged to someone else. I was just renting my house out. And they said there was this man who had a dog, and a mother-in-law, and a son, and he was a widower, and a Marine colonel. And because of his dog, I said absolutely not.
So the point I’m trying to make is that he was someone I did not cotton to. He sort of acted like a robot. He was very clipped, and I didn’t want to like him. But when I heard he was a Princeton graduate, I always thought that was kind of great; when I heard he spoke fluent French, and I speak fluent French; when I found out he drove a Saab when I drove a Saab; and when I found out that he went to the same high school that my uncle had gone to, was in the same eating club in Princeton that my Uncle Ben had gone to; he was on scholarship, and went to Princeton, everything the same as my uncle who was also in intelligence – but I didn’t think about that then. I was just thinking, “This is God. This is too much; too many similar things.” And so it overwhelmed me. He was also very, very good looking at that time. Now he’s aged and haggard.
[Pastor Strawcutter] He had a rough life.
[Kay Griggs] Yeah. So I was overwhelmed by him. Plus, my job at the Chamber was very demanding. I was doing a great job. But he said that he wanted me to retire, because he wanted to make General. And the man who could make him General was General Louis Buehl. Because it was just a matter of having somebody who would make you General to be General. It wasn’t what you did. Louis just happened to die. We went to his funeral. And George didn’t make General, because Louis died.
But his first wife had been, I’m sure, battered to death. I was battered. But I just thought it was Vietnam, and all this kind of thing. And I was trying to get him to stop drinking. Because I couldn’t imagine how the Marine Corps would allow someone to be a total alcoholic. He couldn’t even carry on a normal conversation dry. I mean, he couldn’t even carry on a normal conversation with anyone unless he’s drinking. He never smiled unless he had a glass in his hand. He drank solidly.
I have a letter in his own hand that tells – and this is the truth – he drank solidly this amount that I just said for 30 years. His booze bill – and he and his first wife never entertained – was $250 per month. And this is from the Naval store. Now think about that. He was totally snockered, his whole brain. And yet he’s working. He’s head of running half the world’s Marine Corps under General Al Gray [General Alfred M. Gray].
[Pastor Strawcutter] He’s a man who is mentally incapacitated unless he’s inebriated, and then when he’s drunk, he’s in a different, altered state of mind?
[Kay Griggs] He can’t discern anything. All he does is follow orders. And he told me in one of our many conversations where he was trying, he thought because my family were all Naval officers. and I was out in the world with the Chamber, that I just sort of went along with this stuff.
[Pastor Strawcutter] How many wives of high-up military people are there, like yourself, who are speaking out?
[Kay Griggs] None. I mean, they are all 30-year Marine wives. They are Stepford wives. They are petrified.
I have had conversations before I went public, before I went to live with Sarah McClendon, who saved my life. She’s the senior White House Correspondent, the little red-headed feisty Texan who broke the Billie Sol Estes thing. She doesn’t go along with the clone group of reporters who are all – most of them – Intelligence officers. I think she was in Intelligence, because she was in the Army in World War II. And she has just a remarkable mind. And I lived with her for five or six months. And what’s interesting is that she called my home after I had called her and seen her on C-Span. She couldn’t even get through to my house. I was living there by myself. Every time she called my home – this is 1996 from March until she finally got hold of me -- she had to go to another phone in Maryland to get me on the phone. Every time she called me from her home she was told, “This is a military base, and the Griggs’ don’t live here anymore.” Now that was my phone number long before I met George Griggs. It’s my granddaddy’s farm, the house that I own.
[Pastor Strawcutter] So your phone was being diverted?
[Kay Griggs] Absolutely diverted. It’s electronic warfare. It’s part of their deception. They have many levels. But it’s all under a big operation. They have an operation now to totally ruin me. His first wife was murdered.
[Pastor Strawcutter] You’ve discovered about this large operation through a diary you discovered. Could you hold that diary up so we can get a look at that? Does the military or people in the Intelligence community realize you have a copy of that?
[Kay Griggs] They do now. I had a phone conversation with General Jim Joy in February 1996. They knew I was on the move, trying to find out information, and my husband had mentioned General Jim Joy. And I had to call a General Miller in Jacksonville who was in my husband’s address book. And I told him I was looking for General Joy for a Christmas card list, and I needed General Joy’s telephone number because one of the colonels who I trusted, Colonel Ken Millice [Colonel Kenneth P. Millice], lied to me. Captain Phil Holwager lied to me. So I got this General Jim Joy, who is the one who was in the Operation Just Cause, the one in Panama. He was in charge of all of the psychological operations: the booming music that they hit Noriega with; the chasing him around –
[Pastor Strawcutter] That was the same stuff they did at Waco, too.
[Kay Griggs] Of course. That’s General Jim Joy who was behind Waco, and General Carl Stiner, the snake, who tried to steal Desert Storm away from [General] Schwarzkopf.
[Pastor Strawcutter] So you were trying to get some addresses, and they were giving you the complete run-around?
[Kay Griggs] Oh, they don’t even know him. And I knew him because my husband told me that he worked with General Joy and General Stiner. They were the triumvirate. But they had different names. They were in plain clothes. They had different passports. So I got him on the phone. I was given the number by this General Miller. I said, “General Joy, I’m Kay Pollard Griggs. My husband, George Griggs, was in the Marine Corps. He’s battered me badly. And we‘re looking for him because this has been going on too long.” And blah blah blah.
And I was recording this conversation. I was sitting on my bed with the diary right out in front of me. And he didn’t know I had the diary. He didn’t know anything. It was a cold call, like they do cold murders when they graduate from SEAL school. Cold murders. I was doing a cold telephone call. And he said, “No, I don’t believe I know your husband.” And those were his exact words. I have a card that General Jim Joy sent my husband after the murder, the death of his first wife, saying “Call me anytime.” Here I was traumatized, battered, beaten, and he lies to me.
So I said, “Well, General Joy, that’s funny, because I’m looking at my husband’s diary when he was in Beirut, and you’re meeting with him almost every day.” And before that, I said, “You know, he was the chief of staff for General Al Gray [General Alfred M. Gray]. He’s one of Gray’s boys. You know, Chief of Staff of Fleet Marine Force Atlantic, runs half the world, all the Middle East, NATO Defense College. You don’t know my husband, and you’re a General? You live outside of Quantico, and you don’t know my husband?” I made it very clear. “Nope, nope, can’t say as I do.” So then I told him about the diary. And these are all immature adolescent males. These are men who don’t know how to deal properly with adults. They lie. They are deceptive. They hide behind trees.
[Pastor Strawcutter] But when you nailed him on the diary, he realized –
[Kay Griggs] His exact words were, “Oh, THAT George Griggs.”
Interview with Kay Griggs
by Pastor Strawcutter
Full Transcript
1996
[Transcribed from the video by Tara Carreon]
Tape No. 4 of 4
Start of Tape 4
[Pastor Strawcutter] Your name is Katherine Pollard Griggs.
[Kay Griggs] Yes.
[Pastor Strawcutter] You are the wife of Colonel George Griggs?
[Kay Griggs] Yes.
[Pastor Strawcutter] 11 years of marriage?
[Kay Griggs] Yes.
[Pastor Strawcutter] It’s true that your husband has been the head of Special Operations under Admiral [Frank B.] Kelso, NATO?
[Kay Griggs] Yes.
[Pastor Strawcutter] And it’s true you were the head of the Hospitality Committee?
[Kay Griggs] Yes.
[Pastor Strawcutter] You were a member of the Executive Board of NATO’s Wives’ Club?
[Kay Griggs] Yes. Absolutely.
[Pastor Strawcutter] And also, your husband’s background includes NATO Defense College in Rome?
[Kay Griggs] Yes.
[Pastor Strawcutter] Princeton Class of 1959.
[Kay Griggs] Yes.
[Pastor Strawcutter] His intelligence career, his spy career, began in Vietnam?
[Kay Griggs] Yes.
[Pastor Strawcutter] And it’s also true that it continues until this day?
[Kay Griggs] Absolutely, under General Wilhelm.
[Pastor Strawcutter] And that your husband was the liaison between the White House and President Gemayel of Beirut, Lebanon, at the time of the bombing of the Marine barracks in Lebanon?
[Kay Griggs] Yes.
[Pastor Strawcutter] And in fact your husband was an alcoholic?
[Kay Griggs] Absolutely. Incredible.
[Pastor Strawcutter] And continues to this day?
[Kay Griggs] Absolutely.
[Pastor Strawcutter] During these drunken stupors, he would, so to speak, blab on and tell you everything he knew about the intelligence community?
[Kay Griggs] Everything.
[Pastor Strawcutter] Nothing was hid?
[Kay Griggs] No.
[Pastor Strawcutter] It was like he wanted to relieve himself and unburden his heart?
[Kay Griggs] Yes.
[Pastor Strawcutter] And so he told you everything that you now know about the intelligence community that you are talking about?
[Kay Griggs] Yes.
[Pastor Strawcutter] And in fact, he told you that they knew the bombing was coming down in Beirut before it occurred?
[Kay Griggs] Absolutely.
[Pastor Strawcutter] And also, by your association with him, you have come to understand and know, as shocking as this may sound to the people who are viewing this, that the United States military is literally run by sexual deviants heavy on the homosexual side?
[Kay Griggs] Truly.
[Pastor Strawcutter] And the U.S. military, people like Jeffrey Dahmer and [Ted] Kaczynski and [Timothy] McVeigh and [Lee Harvey] Oswald, and a host of other people, who have a sexual deviant background, primarily homosexual, these individuals are actually sought out by people in the military –
[Kay Griggs] Army.
[Pastor Strawcutter] -- the Army for advancement into intelligence-type work because they are so easy to control? And they actually become mind slaves? And that the U.S. military literally, as outrageous as this sounds, is a mind control operation?
[Kay Griggs] Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Totally now. They’ve gotten rid of the good folks, like [General] MacArthur. They got rid of them, one by one. It’s a total takeover.
[Pastor Strawcutter] Okay. Let’s talk about the individual who told you that we’ve never actually been an enemy of the Soviet Union, that somehow that’s all just been a scam.
[Kay Griggs] Well, my husband. The first three years that we were married, he was drinking three or four straight gin-vodkas a night, a bottle of wine, and there was a beer machine beside his desk. I only knew him two months before he asked me to marry him. He had been married before. And his first wife was a total alcoholic.
[Pastor Strawcutter] Now someone would ask, why would you marry a man after only knowing him two months?
[Kay Griggs] I’m a strong protestant Christian, and I had a lot of predestination [ideas]. I had a Scottish grandmother, and I was working as Assistant Director of the Chamber of Commerce. I had a brand new, relatively new Saab – my first car. It was a 1983 Saab I bought second-hand from somebody who was 84 [years old]. And my husband was driving a 1983 Saab. Mine was a turbo; his was not. He rented part of my house.
I had a young doctor and his wife and two children who were renting the house. They were leaving before the end of the lease time, and they put the ad in the paper, and told me about all of these people. And I said, “No, no, no, no.” And I had been engaged to someone else. I was just renting my house out. And they said there was this man who had a dog, and a mother-in-law, and a son, and he was a widower, and a Marine colonel. And because of his dog, I said absolutely not.
So the point I’m trying to make is that he was someone I did not cotton to. He sort of acted like a robot. He was very clipped, and I didn’t want to like him. But when I heard he was a Princeton graduate, I always thought that was kind of great; when I heard he spoke fluent French, and I speak fluent French; when I found out he drove a Saab when I drove a Saab; and when I found out that he went to the same high school that my uncle had gone to, was in the same eating club in Princeton that my Uncle Ben had gone to; he was on scholarship, and went to Princeton, everything the same as my uncle who was also in intelligence – but I didn’t think about that then. I was just thinking, “This is God. This is too much; too many similar things.” And so it overwhelmed me. He was also very, very good looking at that time. Now he’s aged and haggard.
[Pastor Strawcutter] He had a rough life.
[Kay Griggs] Yeah. So I was overwhelmed by him. Plus, my job at the Chamber was very demanding. I was doing a great job. But he said that he wanted me to retire, because he wanted to make General. And the man who could make him General was General Louis Buehl. Because it was just a matter of having somebody who would make you General to be General. It wasn’t what you did. Louis just happened to die. We went to his funeral. And George didn’t make General, because Louis died.
But his first wife had been, I’m sure, battered to death. I was battered. But I just thought it was Vietnam, and all this kind of thing. And I was trying to get him to stop drinking. Because I couldn’t imagine how the Marine Corps would allow someone to be a total alcoholic. He couldn’t even carry on a normal conversation dry. I mean, he couldn’t even carry on a normal conversation with anyone unless he’s drinking. He never smiled unless he had a glass in his hand. He drank solidly.
I have a letter in his own hand that tells – and this is the truth – he drank solidly this amount that I just said for 30 years. His booze bill – and he and his first wife never entertained – was $250 per month. And this is from the Naval store. Now think about that. He was totally snockered, his whole brain. And yet he’s working. He’s head of running half the world’s Marine Corps under General Al Gray [General Alfred M. Gray].
[Pastor Strawcutter] He’s a man who is mentally incapacitated unless he’s inebriated, and then when he’s drunk, he’s in a different, altered state of mind?
[Kay Griggs] He can’t discern anything. All he does is follow orders. And he told me in one of our many conversations where he was trying, he thought because my family were all Naval officers. and I was out in the world with the Chamber, that I just sort of went along with this stuff.
[Pastor Strawcutter] How many wives of high-up military people are there, like yourself, who are speaking out?
[Kay Griggs] None. I mean, they are all 30-year Marine wives. They are Stepford wives. They are petrified.
I have had conversations before I went public, before I went to live with Sarah McClendon, who saved my life. She’s the senior White House Correspondent, the little red-headed feisty Texan who broke the Billie Sol Estes thing. She doesn’t go along with the clone group of reporters who are all – most of them – Intelligence officers. I think she was in Intelligence, because she was in the Army in World War II. And she has just a remarkable mind. And I lived with her for five or six months. And what’s interesting is that she called my home after I had called her and seen her on C-Span. She couldn’t even get through to my house. I was living there by myself. Every time she called my home – this is 1996 from March until she finally got hold of me -- she had to go to another phone in Maryland to get me on the phone. Every time she called me from her home she was told, “This is a military base, and the Griggs’ don’t live here anymore.” Now that was my phone number long before I met George Griggs. It’s my granddaddy’s farm, the house that I own.
[Pastor Strawcutter] So your phone was being diverted?
[Kay Griggs] Absolutely diverted. It’s electronic warfare. It’s part of their deception. They have many levels. But it’s all under a big operation. They have an operation now to totally ruin me. His first wife was murdered.
[Pastor Strawcutter] You’ve discovered about this large operation through a diary you discovered. Could you hold that diary up so we can get a look at that? Does the military or people in the Intelligence community realize you have a copy of that?
[Kay Griggs] They do now. I had a phone conversation with General Jim Joy in February 1996. They knew I was on the move, trying to find out information, and my husband had mentioned General Jim Joy. And I had to call a General Miller in Jacksonville who was in my husband’s address book. And I told him I was looking for General Joy for a Christmas card list, and I needed General Joy’s telephone number because one of the colonels who I trusted, Colonel Ken Millice [Colonel Kenneth P. Millice], lied to me. Captain Phil Holwager lied to me. So I got this General Jim Joy, who is the one who was in the Operation Just Cause, the one in Panama. He was in charge of all of the psychological operations: the booming music that they hit Noriega with; the chasing him around –
[Pastor Strawcutter] That was the same stuff they did at Waco, too.
[Kay Griggs] Of course. That’s General Jim Joy who was behind Waco, and General Carl Stiner, the snake, who tried to steal Desert Storm away from [General] Schwarzkopf.
[Pastor Strawcutter] So you were trying to get some addresses, and they were giving you the complete run-around?
[Kay Griggs] Oh, they don’t even know him. And I knew him because my husband told me that he worked with General Joy and General Stiner. They were the triumvirate. But they had different names. They were in plain clothes. They had different passports. So I got him on the phone. I was given the number by this General Miller. I said, “General Joy, I’m Kay Pollard Griggs. My husband, George Griggs, was in the Marine Corps. He’s battered me badly. And we‘re looking for him because this has been going on too long.” And blah blah blah.
And I was recording this conversation. I was sitting on my bed with the diary right out in front of me. And he didn’t know I had the diary. He didn’t know anything. It was a cold call, like they do cold murders when they graduate from SEAL school. Cold murders. I was doing a cold telephone call. And he said, “No, I don’t believe I know your husband.” And those were his exact words. I have a card that General Jim Joy sent my husband after the murder, the death of his first wife, saying “Call me anytime.” Here I was traumatized, battered, beaten, and he lies to me.
So I said, “Well, General Joy, that’s funny, because I’m looking at my husband’s diary when he was in Beirut, and you’re meeting with him almost every day.” And before that, I said, “You know, he was the chief of staff for General Al Gray [General Alfred M. Gray]. He’s one of Gray’s boys. You know, Chief of Staff of Fleet Marine Force Atlantic, runs half the world, all the Middle East, NATO Defense College. You don’t know my husband, and you’re a General? You live outside of Quantico, and you don’t know my husband?” I made it very clear. “Nope, nope, can’t say as I do.” So then I told him about the diary. And these are all immature adolescent males. These are men who don’t know how to deal properly with adults. They lie. They are deceptive. They hide behind trees.
[Pastor Strawcutter] But when you nailed him on the diary, he realized –
[Kay Griggs] His exact words were, “Oh, THAT George Griggs.”