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Seeing Donald Trump Now The Way They Should Have Seen Him From The Very
Beginning.
by Chris Hayes
MSNBC
Jul 23, 2022
throughout the hearings the committee
has consistently shown trump's negative
impact on his most loyal followers, how
they, uh, you know believed in him,
believed they were doing something good
for the country by working for him and
then, well,
they were disappointed.
it was something that vice chair liz
cheney was explicit about last night. by
our account,
at least 15
of the 20 in-person witnesses at the
hearings this summer, have been
republicans. conservatives. whether
republican officials, or former
republican judges, legendary conservative
judges like michael ludwig.
this is all intentional, because among
other things,
these hearings are a genuine attempt at
persuasion, right? at reaching
conservatives, and republicans, and anyone
who needs convincing that donald trump
is a threat, and a menace, and an
existential danger to american democracy.
and that can be true
even if you're a republican. even if you,
you know, want to see capital gains taxes
cut, or you're opposed to abortion.
and so it makes sense to use the voices
of the people closest to the
ex-president to show that.
but i gotta say,
it also creates
a really weird vibe,
because it really feels like all these
people there sitting before the
microphone, you know dutiful and earnest
as they are,
should know better than to be
continually surprised, and flabbergasted,
disappointed, in disbelief about just how
destructive and blatant a liar donald
trump is.
listen to how a few of them reacted after
donald trump tweeted that mike pence was
a coward,
as an armed mob was storming the capitol
where pence was hiding
inside.
sarah matthews: i think that in that moment for
him to tweet out the message about mike
pence, it was him pouring gasoline on the
fire, and making it much worse.
pat cipollone: i don't
remember when exactly i heard about that
tweet ,but my reaction to it is that's a
terrible tweet, and i disagreed with the
sentiment,
and
i thought it was wrong.
questioner: what was your reaction when you saw that
tweet?
Judd Deere: extremely unhelpful.
chris hayes: that's one way to put it, judd dear.
yeah, extremely unhelpful:
painting a target on the back of the
vice president of the united states as his
security detail hustles him away
from a ferocious mob out for blood
chanting "hang mike pence."
unhelpful! not surprising.
and again, of course, i completely
understand why the committee is leaning
on these trump republicans to tell the
story. but it is still very jarring to
watch
when all of the character flaws they are
identifying
were
shockingly obvious
from
forever, honestly, for decades! but clearly
from the day donald trump came down from
that escalator and said mexico was
sending rapists.
he lived his entire life in public, much
of it on national tv. he ran an entire
presidential campaign,
you know, where he attacked veterans,
women, muslims. he wanted to ban all
muslims from the united states of
america. that itself is utterly
disqualifying. just right there. that's it.
boom! the line.
i would like to think we all knew who he
was before he became president.
this reaction from former trump
supporters, the people who are being
called to testify before the committee, it's
fascinating at some level to watch. i
mean just in a kind of human
trauma sense.
because it's broadly applicable to
literally millions of people. we were
just talking to sarah longwell about
this. right? i mean the republican party
right now is a coalition of the die-hard
maga folks, the people who would walk
through fire for trump, and the people
who
once supported trump and hate liberals,
right? they're just republicans.
they'll vote for the republican nominee.
maybe they're not hardcore trump people.
they think he gets a bad rap. he's kind
of annoying to them.
so these hearings are creating a clear
delineation between these two groups. and
these revelatory moments are displaying
a true study in the depths of human
denial.
and i gotta say i've watched the
hearings thinking that a lot of it was
performance of false naivete.
and i think that's true, especially for
people like bill barr and pat cipollone.
i still think that.
but there was this one moment last night
that really struck me. it was a text
conversation on january 9th between
trump campaign officials tim murtagh and
matthew wolking about trump's refusal to
say anything at all about brian sicknick.
that would be the capitol police officer
who died the day after the attack.
Rep. Elaine Luria (D-Va.): murtaugh said
"also [FUCKED]
not to have acknowledged the death of
the capitol police officer." wolking
responded,
"that's enraging to me. everything he said
about supporting law enforcement was a
lie."
to which murtaugh replied,
"you know what this is? of course
if he acknowledged the dead cop,
he'd be implicitly faulting the
mob. and he won't do that because they're
his people.
and he would also be close to
acknowledging
that what he'd lit at the rally got out of
control.
no way he acknowledges something that
could ultimately be called his fault. no
way!"
chris hayes: it's like you can see the light bulb
coming on over the head of the trump
staffer, like mid-text.
you can see the trump illusion fading
away, just like in these texts.
chris hayes: that was
trump's former campaign manager brad
pascale said on january 6, saying
quote "a sitting president asking for
civil war this week i feel guilty for
helping him win."
now
those sentiments are fleeting. a lot of
these people have just gone back to
being trump people, so
do with that what you will. but you have
to hope that other people watching the
hearings are having the moment that
these
two guys did,
and seeing donald trump now the way they
should have seen him from, well, the very
beginning.
Beginning.
by Chris Hayes
MSNBC
Jul 23, 2022
throughout the hearings the committee
has consistently shown trump's negative
impact on his most loyal followers, how
they, uh, you know believed in him,
believed they were doing something good
for the country by working for him and
then, well,
they were disappointed.
it was something that vice chair liz
cheney was explicit about last night. by
our account,
at least 15
of the 20 in-person witnesses at the
hearings this summer, have been
republicans. conservatives. whether
republican officials, or former
republican judges, legendary conservative
judges like michael ludwig.
this is all intentional, because among
other things,
these hearings are a genuine attempt at
persuasion, right? at reaching
conservatives, and republicans, and anyone
who needs convincing that donald trump
is a threat, and a menace, and an
existential danger to american democracy.
and that can be true
even if you're a republican. even if you,
you know, want to see capital gains taxes
cut, or you're opposed to abortion.
and so it makes sense to use the voices
of the people closest to the
ex-president to show that.
but i gotta say,
it also creates
a really weird vibe,
because it really feels like all these
people there sitting before the
microphone, you know dutiful and earnest
as they are,
should know better than to be
continually surprised, and flabbergasted,
disappointed, in disbelief about just how
destructive and blatant a liar donald
trump is.
listen to how a few of them reacted after
donald trump tweeted that mike pence was
a coward,
as an armed mob was storming the capitol
where pence was hiding
inside.
sarah matthews: i think that in that moment for
him to tweet out the message about mike
pence, it was him pouring gasoline on the
fire, and making it much worse.
pat cipollone: i don't
remember when exactly i heard about that
tweet ,but my reaction to it is that's a
terrible tweet, and i disagreed with the
sentiment,
and
i thought it was wrong.
questioner: what was your reaction when you saw that
tweet?
Judd Deere: extremely unhelpful.
chris hayes: that's one way to put it, judd dear.
yeah, extremely unhelpful:
painting a target on the back of the
vice president of the united states as his
security detail hustles him away
from a ferocious mob out for blood
chanting "hang mike pence."
unhelpful! not surprising.
and again, of course, i completely
understand why the committee is leaning
on these trump republicans to tell the
story. but it is still very jarring to
watch
when all of the character flaws they are
identifying
were
shockingly obvious
from
forever, honestly, for decades! but clearly
from the day donald trump came down from
that escalator and said mexico was
sending rapists.
he lived his entire life in public, much
of it on national tv. he ran an entire
presidential campaign,
you know, where he attacked veterans,
women, muslims. he wanted to ban all
muslims from the united states of
america. that itself is utterly
disqualifying. just right there. that's it.
boom! the line.
i would like to think we all knew who he
was before he became president.
this reaction from former trump
supporters, the people who are being
called to testify before the committee, it's
fascinating at some level to watch. i
mean just in a kind of human
trauma sense.
because it's broadly applicable to
literally millions of people. we were
just talking to sarah longwell about
this. right? i mean the republican party
right now is a coalition of the die-hard
maga folks, the people who would walk
through fire for trump, and the people
who
once supported trump and hate liberals,
right? they're just republicans.
they'll vote for the republican nominee.
maybe they're not hardcore trump people.
they think he gets a bad rap. he's kind
of annoying to them.
so these hearings are creating a clear
delineation between these two groups. and
these revelatory moments are displaying
a true study in the depths of human
denial.
and i gotta say i've watched the
hearings thinking that a lot of it was
performance of false naivete.
and i think that's true, especially for
people like bill barr and pat cipollone.
i still think that.
but there was this one moment last night
that really struck me. it was a text
conversation on january 9th between
trump campaign officials tim murtagh and
matthew wolking about trump's refusal to
say anything at all about brian sicknick.
that would be the capitol police officer
who died the day after the attack.
Rep. Elaine Luria (D-Va.): murtaugh said
"also [FUCKED]
not to have acknowledged the death of
the capitol police officer." wolking
responded,
"that's enraging to me. everything he said
about supporting law enforcement was a
lie."
to which murtaugh replied,
"you know what this is? of course
if he acknowledged the dead cop,
he'd be implicitly faulting the
mob. and he won't do that because they're
his people.
and he would also be close to
acknowledging
that what he'd lit at the rally got out of
control.
no way he acknowledges something that
could ultimately be called his fault. no
way!"
chris hayes: it's like you can see the light bulb
coming on over the head of the trump
staffer, like mid-text.
you can see the trump illusion fading
away, just like in these texts.
BRAD PASCALE JAN 6 2021 7:14 PM
This is about trump pushing for uncertainty in our country
A sitting president asking for civil war
This week I feel guilty for helping him win.
KATRINA PIERSON JAN 6, 2021 7:20 PM
You did what you felt right at the time and therefore it was right
chris hayes: that was
trump's former campaign manager brad
pascale said on january 6, saying
quote "a sitting president asking for
civil war this week i feel guilty for
helping him win."
now
those sentiments are fleeting. a lot of
these people have just gone back to
being trump people, so
do with that what you will. but you have
to hope that other people watching the
hearings are having the moment that
these
two guys did,
and seeing donald trump now the way they
should have seen him from, well, the very
beginning.