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Former Epstein Prison Inmate EXPOSES Falsified Report
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Aug 6, 2025 Breaking Points

Ryan and Emily are joined by a former inmate at Epstein's prison to discuss the errors in the Epstein report.



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Intro

Joining us back on the program is Martin
Goddisfeld, activist uh journalist and a
former inmate at Metropolitan
Correctional Center, which is the prison
uh where Jeffrey Epstein infamously
famously uh met his end. Uh Marty,
thanks for coming back.
Oh, no problem. Thanks for having me.
And so we wanted to have you back on uh
because you were able to go through the
full IG report and some of the
subsequent media reporting about uh the
IG report that looked into the the
layout of MCC and the camera situation
which is quite crucial. Like if you talk
to anybody who kind of casually follows
this story, you know, they're familiar
with this the camera the famous camera
shot of the Epstein's door and then this
also this like little still footage of
the of the desk where the officers sit
and then this controversy around this,
you know, missing three minutes at
midnight or whenever they kind of reset
the camera. But what you seem to have
observed here is that in fact um based
on what you know about the layout of the
prison uh and comparing it to what they
have published here, there were
potentially two ways to get directly to
Epstein's cell that would not have been
covered by any recording cameras. And so
the threei donut thing is actually kind of
a distraction. Um, is that a fair
summary and then we can get into the
details?

I mean, I don't know that the three
minutes is necessarily a distraction. I
think it's potentially a red herring.

That's fair to say, but yeah.
All right. So, let's let's start
actually with one of the ones you found
here.

It's labeled 9th
floor south. We'll put
this up on the screen. What do you
see here in this layout?
Sp Epstein cell is at one point and the
9th floor south in yellow is
highlighted.

Okay. So this one, actually the IG was
just wrong, and CBS ran with this one as
if it were correct, published it as if
it were correct, and they just took
it out of the IG's report and put
it out there. That's not actually the
ninth floor layout in the lower right
portion of --

So how how do we know that?
Right?

Because I've been there. That's the 10th
floor layout. That's the 10th floor
Sam's unit, and you can see the little
curved desk there. That's where the
monitors for the cameras are. And I used
to get walked through here because
there's a medical evaluation room in
that unit. And I was on a hunger strike
in the N-South Shoe. And rather than
bring me down to like the
fourth floor, fifth floor, wherever
the normal medical exam rooms were, they
were lazy, and they just brought me up
the shoe to the 10th floor medical exam
room. So I used to walk by this desk,
and I saw the cameras working on this
desk. And then you see the four little
rooms there stacked in a
vertical row just to the left of the
yellow area. Those are the attorney
visiting rooms for the 10 South unit.
And the ninth floor layout does not look
like that. And that area in
yellow, that's not even elevators in real
life, right?

What is that? Do you remember?

It's some kind of staff
offices, or it might even be the medical
exam room, but I want to say the medical
exam room was further down the
hall, like it was a longer
walk. But the big thing is that if you
look at this diagram, and you assume
there actually is a camera recording
there, and that those are actually
elevators, then you're left with an
impression that an approach to the
Epstein cell through the elevators would
be covered by that camera. And the
Justice Department has said that it has
footage from this camera, but it has
not released the footage from this
camera. But because this is the
10th floor layout, and the ninth floor
layout is materially different,
that's a an incorrect impression.

Right. So let's move to
Ninth Floor Layout which
appears elsewhere in your piece
here. We put the image up that
has a yellow area that is
suggesting where the camera footage
would be, with Epstein's cell kind of
off to the side of it. What's
important to you about that
layout?

So the IG provided the
original for this diagram, but what they
did not do was block out the main
elevators versus the visitors elevators.
And it's not inherently obvious that
underneath, if you look above the main
elevators, there's that little red
non-recording camera, that's
covering a door symbol. That's
actually the main entrance to the
shoe, or one of the
two main entrances to the shoe.
Then you go in past the shoe laundry
office, and then there's another door
actually before you get to the main area
of the shoe. And that's where they have
written "America's Strongest Shoe." That's
where you see it. But you could follow
this path, right, and then up the stairs
to Epstein's tier. And the way they
rendered the staircases here is also
really misleading. You would think that
the staircase on the left, you see how
there's kind of two staircases leading
up to like M tier really is be leading
down to M tier --

And pause one second for this. Let's put
up the one that you labeled here
streaming, but not recording camera.
And where you've drawn these red
lines.

Yeah. So the way they've
drawn these staircases is really
misleading. I corrected it in one
of my diagrams, but it was a good amount
of work to figure out the angles
and everything. The lefthand
staircase there looks like it's the one
that leads up. It's actually leading
down. That goes to the lower tier, M
tier. And it's the right hand staircase
that actually leads up to L tier to
where they say Epstein was. And so the
camera has fairly good coverage of the
left staircase that does not lead to
Epstein, but it does not have good
coverage of the right-hand staircase,
which did.

So let's talk about this
No Showers discrepancy you point out, and these other
two discrepancies you point out that are
important. Number four in
your article, No showers on shower day.
Then number five is incorrect
plumbing, which may sound to people
like it's a small thing, like
they just got a a little minor detail of
the physical space incorrect. But you
say, "No, these are are hugely
significant discrepancies." Tell us why.

So, in terms of the no showers
thing, it ties into the so-called
orange shape that ascends the stairs, and
what we see the shoe workers doing.
August 9th, the date of the footage,
or the date the footage starts,
goes from the 9th into the 10th
of August. August 9th was a Friday, okay? If
you're in a federal shoe, you only get
three showers a week, okay? And in most
of those shoes, you get those showers on
Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays.
And on those shower days, you get a
change of clothes, right? That's the
only change of clothes you get. So
according to IG's report, there were 72
prisoners in the shoe on that day.
That's 72 sets of boxers, 72 sets of
pants, 72 towels, 72 t-shirts, right?
It's a full change of 72 things for 72
guys. So if you look back at
one of the other diagrams we were
just looking at where I show the shoe
laundry office, and you examine
the video like I did at a slightly accelerated
rate, a shoe worker goes off frame
near the beginning of that video.
and heads towards that shoe laundry
office. And because it was shower day,
they've got 72 sets of things
to wash and dry. And I don't
remember for sure if the
washing machines are actually gone this
far, if they send the laundry down, but
there's presumably also 72 sets of clean
laundry coming in that need to be folded
and sorted and put on the shelf, right?
And so this guy, he leaves the
frame early in the night, and it is
entirely plausible to me that he would
still be doing his job, that he would be
out of his cell working, that they would
just ghost him during the count. So they
would count him as if he was
in his cell, even though he's in this
laundry area. And that to me seems the
most likely explanation for the
orange blur.

So it would be an inmate doing the
laundry. The inmate doing the laundry goes back to
his cell at 10:42. The officer goes up
the stairs, which we kind of see, and locks
him into his cell at night, and then
comes back down the stairs, which we
also see. It makes more sense than the
IG's explanation that an officer was
carrying clothing. I agree with the
video expert CBS had. It wouldn't look
like that. That's most likely a
person walking up there. But there's a
very mundane reason for it. And this is
something CBS would have known had they
bothered to actually interview anyone
who's been in federal prison, been in a
shoe in federal prison, or you know,
better yet, interviewed someone who's
actually been in this particular shoe in
federal prison who knows where the
laundry area is,
something that the inspector general, if
they were truly interested in an
accurate report, would have done.
And that's not even in my
top five problems with the inspector
general.

So then the question becomes,
No Cameras. Let's get to the L
tier. Since you were on
here last, I spoke with a another inmate
who who actually served specifically on
the L tier, who said that yes,
that's the only one that didn't
have cameras in the cells.

Yeah, I didn't know that. I mean,
I was all over that shoe, but not on
L tier. But
it jives with the pictures we have of
Epstein's cell, because I went looking
through those pictures. I know where the
camera would be, and it's not there.

Right, right. So that means that they chose to put
their most high-profile inmate
in a cell without a camera, and
also in a cell that could be approached
in apparently multiple directions
by somebody who would not be
recorded, which itself is an
interesting question.

And then you also
put in your piece the notion
of the cameras not recording. They say
that they were streaming, but not
recording. And they didn't realize
that until right before this
situation happened. Lay out why that
sounds implausible to you
that they'd go for this long
without realizing the cameras were
recording.

Yeah. So, according to the IG, it
took NCC 10 days to discover that the
the cameras weren't recording.
This facility houses at capacity 400
something federal prisoners. And
every federal facility, including this
one, has a department called the
special investigative supervisors, SIS.
They're like prison
intelligence. It's like twice the
oxymoron of military intelligence. But
they take their jobs very seriously,
and their primary tasks are internal
investigations, handling snitches,
managing gangs, and interdicting
contraband, okay? And in a facility the
size of the MCC, they get a steady
stream of kites, they're called like
flying a kite. It's a term for when
an inmate drops a note ratting out
a staff member, or ratting out another
prisoner, okay? There's going to be a
steady stream of them in a facility this
size. No self-respecting SIS department
could possibly go 8 days, or 10 days,
without reviewing recent camera footage,
because when they get one of these
kites, right, it's going to include like
a date, and a time, and a place, for SIS to
go check out, so they
can build a case, or bust
somebody, or whatever it is. So, in a
facility that size, it's
very, very unlikely SIS would go that
long without reviewing footage. And then
when they do discover the cameras aren't
recording, which is two days I think
before the night in question, they did
something odd.

You know, I was in eight jails and
prisons across my seven and a
half years as a quote unquote "political
prisoner." It was one bed, right?
But I got transferred all over the place,
because no one likes a guy who has
media connections, and litigates, and
all that. So I got sent all over
the place. And every time I was in a
facility where they had a significant
camera issue, not just like one camera
out, like a systematic thing, even for
maintenance, right, they lock down the
whole facility because it's just too much of a
liability. They can't have people
walking around. We were locked down
for two or three days in Teroot,
Indiana, when it was like 100 degrees out
for camera work. That was planned, right? So,
they find out the cameras are down and
they don't lock down the prison. And we
know the prison's not locked down
because we see shoe
workers outside their cells
just going about their days, right?
And that wouldn't happen during a
camera lockdown, right?

Okay. Now, news today, this is A7,
just yesterday, House Republicans
James Comer, subpoenaed Bill Clinton,
Hillary Clinton, but also interestingly
Bill Barr, and even Alberto Gonzalez, who was
attorney general when the sweetheart
deal was struck with Epstein back
during the Bush administration, and
Attorney General Jeff Sessions. So,
Martin, do you have questions?

I think Barr would be the big one.
Obviously, he was attorney general when
everything we're discussing
happened and would
have been privy to all kinds of
information about what happened in the Shu.

So are there questions that you think
Bill Barr might have the answer to?

I'm trying to remember if Barr
was on record saying that he had
personally reviewed the video, and I think
that he was.
Okay. Um, and assuming that he was on
record saying he had personally reviewed
the video, um, you know, he went forward
with this same narrative that, you know,
there was no way anyone could have
gotten to Epstein's cell and there's
just no way reviewing that video for
someone to to stake that kind of a
claim. So, I would I would certainly ask
him about that. Uh, and then, um, you
know, I'm not sure how familiar you guys
are with the Dalton School and the
connection through Bar's family with the
Dalton School, but I think that, you
know, bears some scrutiny as well. And
just sticking on that point, your point
about the video, um, he described it as
like a perfect storm of screw-ups that
had happened. He said, "I can understand
people who immediately whose minds went
to the sort of worst case scenario
because it was a perfect storm of
screw-ups." Those were his uh, comments
to the Associated Press back in November
of 2019. So I guess you know on the if
he's saying that all of this was
basically just accidental um that led to
Epstein's death. This is all just happen
stance. It just was this perfect storm
of of screw-ups. Uh what's your
perspective as somebody who's been there
and sort of knows
all of these things would have had to
have been like if if that's true what
that means like the odds of all of these
these screw-ups happening quote unquote
screw-ups. the I I think the odds are
fairly low. The problem is, you know,
Bill Bar's personal knowledge. He can
claim that he doesn't have like intimate
understanding of the running of these
facilities, right? That when he was
attorney general that he had a director
of the Bureau of Prisons, you know, to
whom he entrusted, you know, these
matters and and that these things
generally don't rise didn't rise to to
his level. So, I don't know like what in
particular you could ask him except
again if you know if he's on the record
saying that he watched the video and and
you know putting forth that narrative
that this video is conclusive then I
think he's got a real problem.
Yeah.
All right. Well, Marty, uh thanks so
much. We'll continue to follow your your
reporting on this. Appreciate you
joining us here.
No problem, Ryan. Thanks again for
having me. and uh your Substack uh
marty.substack.comstack.com.
Yep.
Yeah. And if you want to study these
diagrams closer, go over to
martyg.substack.com
and we'll put your piece in the the show
notes.
Yeah.
Oh, thank you.
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Journalist who EXPOSED Epstein TELLS ALL on Trump-Epstein CONNECTION
Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz and Julie K. Brown
Legal AF
Aug 1, 2025

The Court of History’s Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz are joined by investigative journalist Julie K. Brown, who broke the Epstein story and helped bring him to justice. She reveals what Harvey Weinstein may know about the Trump-Epstein connection and the broader pedophile coverup. Brown also exposes how Trump and Epstein exploited the modeling industry to prey on young women, and names Alan Dershowitz—not Ghislaine Maxwell—as the true puppet master behind the scandal. She details how Dershowitz used intimidation tactics to silence victims and even tried to sabotage her Pulitzer Prize.



Transcript

Welcome to the Court of History. I'm Sydney Blumenthal. The court is in session. I am here with Sean Wentz, my colleague, Princeton University. Sean, I have been watching a lot of TV shows about cold cases on Britbox and other sites, and I watched one called Department Q, and some other ones.

Oh, that was a great one. I love that one.

But it turns out that the greatest cold case of them all is Jeffrey Epstein.

Yeah. Well, it goes on and on and on, doesn't it?

I mean, you're getting to the point where the cover up is almost as interesting as anything else in the story. And the coverup's gotten to the point where I think Donald Trump said something for the first time in his entire life, which was to tell a bunch of reporters, "Don't talk about Donald Trump." This tells me that he's under grave distress if nothing else.

Well, the person who broke that cold case is with us today, and she probably knows as much about Jeffrey Epstein, what he did, and the people he did it to as anybody. And, we're eager to speak to her. She is, of course, Julie K. Brown. She's a member of the Miami Herald's investigative team. She's reopened the Jeffrey Epstein sexual abuse case with her reporting, and her probe into Epstein has won many journalism awards, including a George Pulk award, which was her second. She was also a member of the Herald's 2022 Pulitzer Prizewinning team for its coverage of the Surfside condo collapse, and she is the author of Perversion of Justice, the Jeffrey Epstein story. Welcome, Julie, to the Court of History.  

Thank you.

So, I'd like to start in the present, and then jump all the way back to the beginning. And in the present, what I'm really interested in, among other things, is you uncovered so many victims, and interviewed them, dozens and dozens and dozens. You must be in touch with them today. And what do they tell you about what's going on? Particularly with Todd Blanche, the deputy attorney general, running down to Tallahassee to the prison to interview Glenn Maxwell. Do you talk to the victims about this?

Yeah. I mean, there's a range of emotions. Sexual trauma victims, especially those that were victimized when they were children, often feel retraumatized. There's triggers, and this certainly is a trigger with all the chaos surrounding this case, particularly as it concerns one of their predators, Ghislaine Maxwell. In their minds, this is just another attempt at cover up, or attempt at somehow letting the people who were involved in their sexual assaults off the hook. In their eyes, this is a huge mistake. They they don't even care what information she's going to provide. They don't believe that she should ever leave jail. In fact, I've heard some of them say that she's a danger to society because of what she did, and how she did it.

Were any of them interviewed or approached by Mr. Blanche, or any other member of the Department of Justice, involving the interview with Glenn Maxwell?

I can't answer that question. I don't really know, because I've been interviewing them before recent events. I interviewed them a couple of days before Blanche went down to interview her. So as far as I know there were 200 victims, so it's hard to say whether any of them were contacted.  

Have they ever voiced to you how they would feel if she were pardoned?

As I said, they just feel betrayed again by the criminal justice system, that the DOJ would even consider doing something like this. And the oddity of sending the second in command of the DOJ in to broker some kind of a deal. In their minds, it seems as though they're trying to broker another deal like they did with Jeffrey Epstein in 2008, which led to his release, and also led to him being able to prey on additional victims. So, in their minds, this is a retraumatization of some of the same things that they felt back in 2008 when Jeffrey Epstein essentially was able to get a slap on the wrist.

Let's go back if we can of the beginning of the case that was opened against Epstein. That happened after a real estate deal between Trump and Epstein went bad over a Palm Beach property, and they broke up over it. And we spoke with Michael Wolff, who says that Epstein believed that Donald Trump was an informant to the authorities against Epstein to try and get even with him and cover up. I don't know if you've heard any of that.

I don't know. I haven't heard that. I haven't even heard that from the lawyers who have worked pretty closely with the victims on the cases. So, I don't really know if that's true or not.  

A spat over a $41 million mansion

But public sightings of the two together ended in 2004, when nursing home magnate Abe Gosman's Palm Beach mansion, named the Maison de l'Amitie (The House of Friendship), came on the market in a bankruptcy auction. Both Trump and Epstein wanted the six-acre oceanfront estate for themselves, the Post reported.

Joseph Luzinski, who was the property's trustee, told the paper that both men started lobbying him and would talk behind each other's back.

"It was something like, Donald saying, 'You don't want to do a deal with him, he doesn't have the money,' while Epstein was saying: 'Donald is all talk. He doesn't have the money,' " Luzinski told the Post. "They both really wanted it."


The Maison de l'Amitie estate in Palm Beach, Florida, on May 21, 2013. Sensation White Amsterdam/ Wikimedia Commons

When the home hit the auction block in November 2004, Trump came out victorious, paying $41.35 million for the property (he later sold it, more than doubling his investment).

Fewer than two weeks after the auction, Palm Beach police received a tip about young women seen coming and going from Epstein's home, according to a deposition the Post found from then-Police Chief Michael Reiter.

An investigation into Epstein was launched after police received a second complaint, from a woman who alleged her 15-year-old stepdaughter had been paid $300 by Epstein for a massage.

-- Trump and Epstein's friendship reportedly soured after they fought over a $41 million Palm Beach mansion. 2 weeks after the home's auction, cops received a tip about underage women at Epstein's house, by Ashley Collman, Business Insider, Aug 1, 2019, 10:53 AM MT

So tell us about how you got onto this cold case to begin with, because it was cold.

Well, it was cold, but it had been written about over the years. And I always felt that it was a mystery, because how does somebody get away with molesting all those girls, and be able to essentially get a deal where he isn't federally prosecuted, and he's able to just go about his jet setting life again, while these girls were devastated? So I knew about that, but I always thought, how did this happen? Who in Florida, in Washington, who were the people who were supposed to hold him accountable? And then Mr. Trump was running for president in 2016, and there was a civil lawsuit filed by a woman who claimed that when she was younger, she had been raped by both Epstein and Trump. And this was a ongoing civil lawsuit in 2016. And I happened to see a column that was written by a lawyer questioning why the media wasn't examining this. Look at this lawsuit. The media isn't looking at this.  

FACTUAL ALLEGATIONS

5. The Plaintiff, Katie Johnson, alleges that the Defendants, Donald J. Trump and Jeffrey E. Epstein, did willfully and with extreme malice violate her Civil Rights under 18 U.S.C ; 2241 by sexually and physically abusing Plaintiff Johnson by forcing her to engage in various perverted and depraved sex acts by threatening physical harm to Plaintiff Johnson and also her family.

6. The Plaintiff, Katie Johnson, alleges that the Defendants, Donald J. Trump and Jeffrey E. Epstein, also did willfully and with extreme malice violate her Civil Rights under 42 U.S.C.; 1985 by conspiring to deny Plaintiff Johnson her Civil Rights by making her their sex slave.

7. The Plaintiff, Katie Johnson, alleges she was subject to extreme sexual and physical abuse by the Defendants, Donald J. Trump and Jeffrey E. Epstein, including forcible rape during a four month time span covering the months of June-September 1994 when Plaintiff Johnson was still only a minor of age 13.

8. The Plaintiff, Katie Johnson, alleges she was enticed by promises of money and a modeling career to attend a series of underage sex parties held at the New York City residence of Defendant Jeffrey E. Epstein and attended by Defendant Donald J. Trump.

9. On the first occasion involving the Defendant, Donald J. Trump, the Plaintiff, Katie Johnson, was forced to manually stimulate Defendant Trump with the use of her hand upon Defendant Trump's erect penis until he reached sexual orgasm.

10. On the second occasion involving the Defendant, Donald J. Trump, the Plaintiff, Katie Johnson, was forced to orally copulate Defendant Trump by placing her mouth upon Defendant Trump's erect penis until he reached sexual orgasm.

11. On the third occasion involving the Defendant, Donald J. Trump, the Plaintiff, Katie Johnson was forced to engage in an unnatural lesbian sex act with her fellow minor and sex slave, Maria Doe age 12, for the sexual enjoyment of Defendant Trump. After this sex act, both minors were forced to orally copulate Defendant Trump by placing their mouths simultaneously on his erect penis until he achieved sexual orgasm. After zipping up his pants, Defendant Trump physically pushed both minors away while angrily berating them for the "poor" quality of their sexual performance.

12. On the fourth and final sexual encounter with the Defendant, Donald J. Trump, the Plaintiff, Katie Johnson, was tied to a bed by Defendant Trump who then proceeded to forcibly rape Plaintiff Johnson. During the course of this savage sexual attack, Plaintiff Johnson loudly pleaded with Defendant Trump to "please wear a condom". Defendant Trump responded by violently striking Plaintiff Johnson in the face with his open hand and screaming that "he would do whatever he wanted" as he refused to wear protection. After achieving sexual orgasm, the Defendant, Donald J. Trump put his suit back on and when the Plaintiff, Katie Johnson, in tears asked Defendant Trump what would happen if he had impregnated her, Defendant Trump grabbed his wallet and threw some money at her and screamed that she should use the money "to get a fucking abortion".

13. On the first occasion involving the Defendant, Jeffrey E. Epstein, the Plaintiff, Katie Johnson, was forced to disrobe into her bra and panties and to give a full body massage to Defendant Epstein while he was completely naked. During the massage, Defendant Epstein physically forced Plaintiff Johnson to touch his erect penis with her bare hands and to clean up his ejaculated semen after he achieved sexual orgasm.

14. On the second occasion involving the Defendant, Jeffrey Epstein, the Plaintiff, Katie Johnson was again forced to disrobe into her bra and panties while giving Defendant Epstein a full body massage while he was completely naked. The Defendant, Donald J. Trump, was also present as he was getting his own massage from another minor, Jane Doe, age 13. Defendant Epstein forced Plaintiff Johnson to touch his erect penis by physically placing her bare hands upon his sex organ and again forced Plaintiff Johnson to clean up his ejaculated semen after he achieved sexual orgasm.

15. Shortly after this sexual assault by the Defendant, Jeffrey E. Epstein, on the Plaintiff, Katie Johnson, Plaintiff Johnson was still present while the two Defendants were arguing over who would be the one to take Plaintiff Johnson's virginity. The Defendant, Donald J. Trump, was clearly heard referring to Defendant, Jeffrey E. Epstein, as a "Jew Bastard" as he yelled at Defendant Epstein, that clearly, he, Defendant Trump, should be the lucky one to "pop the cherry" of Plaintiff Johnson.

16. The third and final sexual assault by the Defendant, Jeffrey E. Epstein, on the Plaintiff, Kati Johnson, took place after Plaintiff Johnson had been brutally and savagely raped by Defendant Trump. While receiving another full body massage from Plaintiff Johnson, while in the nude, Defendant Epstein became so enraged after finding out that Defendant Trump had been the one to take Plaintiff Johnson's virginity, that Defendant Epstein also violently raped Plaintiff Johnson. After forcing Plaintiff Johnson to disrobe into her bra and panties, while receiving a massage from the Plaintiff, Defendant Epstein attempted to enter Plaintiff Johnson's anal cavity with his erect penis while trying to restrain her. Plaintiff Johnson attempted to push Defendant Epstein away, at which time Defendant Epstein attempted to enter Plaintiff Johnson's vagina with his erect penis. This attempt to brutally sodomize and rape Plaintiff Johnson by Defendant Epstein was finally repelled by Plaintiff Johnson but not before Defendant Epstein was able to achieve sexual orgasm. After perversely sodomizing and raping the Plaintiff, Katie Johnson, the Defendant, Jeffrey E. Epstein, attempted to strike her about the head with his closed fists while he angrily screamed at Plaintiff Johnson that he, Defendant Epstein, should have been the one who "took her cherry, not Mr. Trump", before she finally managed to break away from Defendant Epstein.

17. The Plaintiff, Katie Johnson, was fully warned on more than one occasion by both Defendants, Donald J. Trump and Jeffrey E. Epstein, that were she ever to reveal any of the details of the sexual and physical abuse that she had suffered as a sex slave for Defendant Trump and Defendant Epstein, that Plaintiff Johnson and her family would be in mortal danger. Plaintiff Johnson was warned that this would mean certain death for herself and Plaintiff Johnson's family unless she remained silent forever on the exact details of the depraved and perverted sexual and physical abuse she had been forced to endure from the Defendants.

MATERIAL WITNESSES

18. Tiffany Doe, a former trusted employee of the Defendant, Jeffrey E. Epstein, has agreed to provide sworn testimony in this civil case and any other future civil or criminal proceedings, fully verifying the authenticity of the claims of the Plaintiff, Katie Johnson. Witness Tiffany Doe was employed by the Defendant, Jeffrey E. Epstein, for more than 10 years as a party planner for his underage sex parties. Despite being subject to constant terroristic threats by Defendants Epstein and Trump to never reveal the details of these underage sex parties at which scores of teenagers, and pre-teen girls were used as sex slaves by Defendant Epstein and Defendant Trump, witness Tiffany Doe refuses to be silent any longer. She has agreed to fully reveal the extent of the sexual perversion and physical cruelty that she personally witnessed at these parties by Defendants Epstein and Trump.

19. Material witness Tiffany Doe fully confirms all of Plaintiff Katie Johnson's allegations of physical and sexual abuse by Defendants Donald J. Trump and Jeffrey E. Epstein. Tiffany Doe was physically present at each of the four occasions of sexual abuse by Defendant Trump upon the person of Plaintiff Johnson, as it was her job to witness all of the sexual escapades of Defendant Epstein's guests at these underage sex parties and later reveal all of the sordid details directly to Defendant Epstein. Defendant Epstein also demanded that Tiffany Doe tell him personally everything she had overheard at these parties explaining to her that "knowledge was king" in the financial world. As a result of these underage sex parties, Defendant Epstein was able to accumulate inside business knowledge that he otherwise would never have been privy to in order to amass his huge personal fortune.

20. Material witness Tiffany Doe will testify that she was also present or had direct knowledge of each of the three instances on which Defendant Jeffrey E. Epstein physically and sexually abused the Plaintiff, Katie Johnson. Tiffany Doe will testify to the fact that the Plaintiff, Katie Johnson, was extremely fortunate to have survived all of the physical and sexual horrors inflicted upon her by Defendants Epstein and Trump.

-- KATIE JOHNSON, Plaintiff v. DONALD J. TRUMP and JEFFREY E. EPSTEIN, Defendant(s). COMPLAINT FOR CLAIM RELIEF DUE TO: 1. SEXUAL ABUSE UNDER THREAT OF HARM; 2. CONSPIRACY TO DEPRIVE CIVIL RIGHTS, Case Number: ED CV16-00797 DMG *(KSX), FILED: 2016 APR 26 AM 11:12

It was right around the time that Trump was being barraged with allegations from some other women who were claiming that he had committed some kind of sexual harassment or impropriety against them. So I thought, let me take a look at this. I was always curious anyway. So I started requesting the files while working on a million other stories, because as we do in local newspaper journalism, you don't have the luxury of just having one story and that's it. So anyway, I was picking away at it, and in the middle of when I was looking at it, Trump was elected president. And then he nominated Alexander Acosta to be his labor secretary. And that was "boom" for me, because I knew by that time that Alexander Acosta was the prosecutor in Miami who gave Epstein his sweetheart deal.

Yeah, tell us about the sweetheart deal, and the lawyers who made that deal, and how that worked involving Alex Acosta, who was then the US attorney, right?

After the allegations first came to light in 2005-2006, it was investigated by Palm Beach police. They took it to the state attorney in Palm Beach, Barry Krischer. Barry Krischer initially was gung-ho about going after Epstein, because he didn't know initially who Epstein was. So Epstein was trying to keep a lid on the whole thing. Epstein hired Alan Dershowitz, another local attorney, to pressure Krischer not to file charges. And he was on the verge of just letting the case drop, largely because Alan Dershowitz had convinced him that the young girls that Epstein had molested weren't credible, because they drank beer, and were having sex with their boyfriends. He kind of mined all their social media pages.

Yeah, I read in your book that you said that Dershowitz hired private investigators to look into the private lives of the victims, right?

And their families and their parents.

Their families, too. And what would the point of that be?

Intimidation. So, Dershowitz hired PIs to intimidate the victims. Intimidate the victim.

On behalf of his client?  

Yeah. And also it did intimidate them. They were scared. You know, when you're being followed like that, and you're young, and there was at least one instance that I know of where a big car was putting its headlights on one girl's house, and her lawyers had to grab her and take her to a hotel, put her in hiding, because she was being pursued so aggressively.

So, please continue.

So, Krischer got cold feet. But the Palm Beach police didn't want to let it go. So they kept trying to get him to do something. Eventually, he relented and opened a grand jury on the case. What we now know is that it was one of those kinds of grand jury sessions where you can indict someone on a ham sandwich. They didn't even call all the victims. They called one victim. And we subsequently have that grand jury testimony, and it's very painful to listen to, because they allowed the grand jurors to sort of ask her questions that were like, "Did you know what you were doing was wrong? Is that how your parents raised you" kind of thing. So they were prepared to give him an indictment on a lesser charge. And the Palm Beach police then took it to the FBI and said, "This is absurd. This is a serious crime. They're going to let this guy walk." And that's when the FBI took over around 2007, and started investigating.

Now, by this time, there were more victims coming forward. So initially there was only maybe five or six, and now there was almost two dozen, because one girl recruited another girl who recruited another girl. So if you interviewed the girl, she would say, "Well I recruited this one, this one, and this one." And then you go to those girls, and they say, "I recruited this one, this one, and this one." It was like a pyramid scheme he had going to get each girl to get more girls for him.

So, Ghislaine Maxwell's in the middle of this? And Ghislaine Maxwell is deeply involved in the recruiting process?

Well, initially she was the one that started this effort to recruit girls around Palm Beach. She would take Epstein's valet, and she would drive to spas in the area and find pretty girls at the spa, give them her business card, tell them, "I have a very wealthy man. He's looking for a personal masseuse. He's going to pay you very well. You'll be able to travel around the world," etc. So she started that, and as I said, once she got her foot in the door at some of these high schools, she was able to use the girls to bring her additional girls. So they were coming like three of them a day, at least, to his home in Palm Beach.

So the FBI took took over the case. But the prosecutor, Maria Villifana, was hitting a wall every step of the way. Epstein was very shrewd in how he handled his case in that each of his lawyers had a tie to one of the prosecutors on the case. Jay Lefkowitz for example, worked at Kirkland and Ellis um, and so did Alex Acosta. And Alex Acosta was very ambitious. He was a rising star in the Republican party at the time. So he was pressured by this lawyer who had enough influence to help appoint the new attorney general in 2007 or eight, Michael Mukasey. So he was ambitious. He didn't want to bend anybody out of shape. Epstein hired Kenneth Starr.

Ken Starr is also from Kirkland and Ellis, isn't he?

Absolutely.

And they're all federalist society people, aren't they?

Right. And Acosta wanted to be a Supreme Court justice. So imagine what would happen if he had prosecuted a client that they would have frowned upon, right? So they hired a woman, a defense attorney who had had a relationship with one of the attorneys, who had dated one of the attorneys. Epstein was shrewd. He hired people that had ties to big law firms and ties in Washington.

Yeah. My understanding is Acosta was a protege of Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito.

Right. Right. He was very well connected.

So what I did that no one had really done before, was I was able to figure out a road map on how Epstein and his lawyers managed to pressure the prosecutors to give him a deal. I mean, he tried very hard to get off scot-free, but he wasn't able to do that. But ultimately, the one thing he was able to do was keep the deal secret. Because had the victims or their lawyers found out exactly what they were doing, they would have objected very publicly. So he was able to get the prosecutors to agree to seal the deal so that nobody knew what it was. And so when he appeared in court to plead guilty, nobody was doing this. It was Ken Starr, and he had a whole team of people. Lefkowitz was certainly involved. Dershowitz --

A very well-connected conservative attorney.

Right. So the deal came together and boom, it was done before anybody knew about it. He was serving time in the Palm Beach County Jail, which was not much of a a jail term because he was leaving every day to go to his office, and sometimes even his home in Palm Beach. Epstein completely manipulated the Palm Beach Sheriff's office to allow him to essentially leave all day long, and come back just to sleep there at night. In the meantime, he was at his office, and he hired all these Palm Beach sheriff's deputies, and paid them thousands and thousands of dollars to so-call "monitor him." They were calling him a client because he was paying them so well.

They were basically bribing them?

Yeah. And he was allowed visitors all day long, and some of them were women. And we now know that he was having sex with them in his office while he was supposed to be incarcerated. So he manipulated every aspect of his so-called punishment. By the time the victims filed a a motion with the judge to unseal the deal, by the time it was unsealed, Jeffrey Epstein was walking out of jail, and had already served his short jail term.  

Yeah. And then Alex Acosta, what happened to him? Didn't he go on to greater things later on?

He did become labor secretary, and then he had to resign. I think he's on Fox News sometimes now talking about the economy since he was labor secretary, but he had to resign because of the reopening due to my story.

What happened was my story came out in November of 2018, and it just really went viral. And some prosecutors in the Southern District of New York, the DOJ's office in New York, took the story that I wrote, showed it to the prosecutor and said, "We've got to do something about this. What can we do?" So he said, investigate. Find out if there's any victims here in New York, and look into it. So that's how it all started.

Yeah. The attorney general of Florida was Pam Bondi at the time. What was her --

She was not attorney general when the deal was struck, but there was a lot of information that came out subsequent to the deal. In other words, the victims filed a lawsuit claiming that the federal government violated their rights because you're supposed to, under the Crime Victim's Rights Act, inform victims when someone's reached a plea deal, or is appearing in court. And they didn't do any of that. They purposefully, deliberately concealed this from them. Now Bondi was a state official. The federal government concealed it from her. But Bondi certainly over the years knew that Epstein was a sexual predator. There was no arguing that. Even Epstein himself wouldn't call himself that. He didn't deny that he was doing this to young girls. So it wasn't like he was still saying he was innocent. He he always said he was involved with these girls. He just didn't know how young they were.

So as more victims over the years started suing him, there's all this discovery, and there were some stories written over the course of Bondi's tenure as attorney general. And this was a big case. It involved celebrities, former presidents. Bondi had to know about this information.

So as far as we know, she didn't do anything about it? She did nothing during this period?

No, I don't think so. Because the lawyers who represented the victims were begging authorities to look at what they had uncovered as part of the discovery in the civil lawsuits they had filed against Epstein.

One of the most interesting articles that I read of yours from this period was about your investigation of the model industry and Epstein, and overlap with Trump who had a major in interest in the model industry. And they had a mutual interest, right?

That came out as part of the discovery in one of the lawsuits. Brad Edwards, who represented a a number of victims, Epstein had a modeling company, and Brad Edwards deposed the accountant who worked for Epstein's modeling company. And in that deposition, she provided a lot of detail about what he was doing. And it's clear that he was using that modeling company as a cover, in part, for the sex trafficking that he was doing, because she was describing exactly what they would do. They would send the younger girls down to Epstein's place in Palm Beach. And she gave more detail than we had had before, including the fact that when Epstein formed his company, he said to her, I want it to be set up just like Donald Trump's modeling agency.

And that's in the record. She testified under oath that Epstein said that he wanted to model his modeling company that he would invest in on Trump's?

That's right. And so we don't know what that means. We can't say that means that Trump's modeling agency was trafficking, but we do know that in some respects Epstein's modeling company was used in part to recruit young girls from all over the world, and send them to events and parties where ostensibly they would be expected to have sex with some of the partygoers.

There are other parties that are described by other people who organized models with both Trump and Epstein present. There's one that was described where they're the only two guests for 25-some young models, Epstein and Trump. Jean luc brunel from Paris headed Epstein's company, and he was arrested for rape and for sexual assault, and hanged himself after Epstein's death. The two were business partners.

Yeah, they were business partners and close associates. Not only that, but Brunel was one of his top recruiters. And I'm not just talking models. I'm talking about girls and young women for sex. That's what he did. Because they would make these promises to these women when they met them, "we're going to get you into the modeling business. You're going to make lots and lots of money. I have a very wealthy person who has all these contacts, etc." And Epstein also had a lawyer working for him. The bookkeeper told us about this, or told Brad Edwards about this, he had lawyers that were helping the women from overseas get visas.

So it was very common at the time of HB1 visas, Trump's modeling agency depended upon those visas to bring over models mostly from Eastern Europe for --

It what was his specialty.  

So it's interesting, given Trump's current views on immigration, to say the least. But you're on the case here. You're exposing this as this is going on, bringing it up all again, reporting, right?

Yeah. Even after Epstein's death, I continue to report the trail of people that helped him, including members of the government of the US Virgin Islands. He employed the governor's wife there. He tossed around a lot of money to a lot of people. Remember, he was a convicted sex predator. So he was supposed to be monitored by the US Marshall Service. And he just wasn't monitored at all.

This is all around the island, Little St. James that he was doing this? Is that where they connected?

Right. And you know It's a remote island. You could only get there by boat or plane. So it was the perfect locale for him to have some of these sex parties, so to speak, or to entertain his clients, and offer them food, wine, and and a young girl if they wanted it.

So what's your view of Epstein's death? Was it a suicide or what? What's your view?  

I'm not convinced it was a suicide. I'm not saying it wasn't, but I am troubled by all the holes in the whole story. And quite frankly, the fact that the videotape that the Trump administration released to try to show that it was a suicide was not the video of his wing. It was of a another area of the jail. And unless they weren't told that, why would they use that? Unless it was a desperate move to try to quiet some of these loud voices who are questioning why Trump now is not releasing more information about the case.

You would think that they'd be careful given the atmosphere and the intense scrutiny, to make sure that whatever they put out would be accurate. And yet they put out this faulty, to say the least, false information. They did that before too when Bondi was saying, "Oh, I have this on my desk." She's telling the whole world on Fox News, "Oh, yeah, we have it. It's going to come out. We're going to release everything." And then she gives a binder of dated material to internet influencers. And in the victim's eyes, this was a stunt. They've been thinking that maybe Trump's going to get to the bottom of it. And here, with each step that they have taken, the victims feel that this is becoming another cover-up really.

Although it's one of those cover-ups in plain sight, as we see. They do this stuff that's so clumsy, handing out things that we've known already. The whole thing with Todd Blanche going down to see Maxwell. I mean, come on, we're not stupid here. and yet they do it. And I'm not sure in my own mind, is it about arrogance? Is it about incompetence? Is it just that they think they can get away with murder, and they're going to show that they can get away with murder? I don't know.

I don't know. I've asked that question both on the interviews that I've done on television, and on social media. I don't understand the endgame here. What's the end game? Is the endgame going to be that they're going to give her a pardon, and she's going to say Trump had nothing to do with this? I know that his supporters sometimes believe everything he says, but I just don't think they're going to believe this.

So Pam Bondi said there was no client list of people who were blackmailed, but you never came across such an object ever. It seems to me that it was made up, wasn't it?

Yeah, it's a red herring that got sort of morphed by conspiracy theories. There was a phone directory that Maxwell compiled for him on a regular basis. Every time he met somebody new, she would get all his or her contact information, and so we had this thing that was referred to as the Epstein black book, which was really like a rolodex.

I've seen it online. It's got everyone in it, from Barbara Walters, to all sorts of prominent names from New York social life, that have nothing to do with anything except that Ghislaine Maxwell knew them, right?

Right. And somehow this morphed into people on social media saying, "Where's his list of clients?" Then that kind of took on a life of its own.

Now I do think that Epstein kept files on people. I absolutely think he did business with a lot of the men that have already been named as suspects. So it it makes sense that as a superb businessman, he probably kept files on these people. Now, whether that file included material about their sex life, we just don't know. But Virginia Giuffre, who was one of the most outspoken victims on this, and who was with him for quite a number of years, said that he would quiz her about a certain client's sexual predilections, and to her mind it was a way to have something on someone.

Epstein was friends with all sorts of prominent people. And he seemed to collect them. And among them was somebody who also had an interest in the modeling industry, and overlapped in the entertainment industry, who was a friend of Epstein's. That was Harvey Weinstein.  

Right. And he was also on the message pads. The Palm Beach Police Department did a search warrant on his home at the time he was first arrested, and these were the old-fashioned pink message pads where when someone called you, you'd write their name and why they're calling on the top copy and there was a copy right underneath. So they got these books of message pads, and Harvey Weinstein was one of those people that called him. Trump called him. There were a lot of names of people who would call him. Now, of course, they didn't say what they wanted. They just said, you know, Trump called, or Harvey called.

Yeah. There was a report that Epstein broke up with Weinstein because Epstein raped a young woman that Epstein regarded as his own, and somehow it involves Jean Luc Brunel, the guy who ran Epstein's model agency.

This raises another question. Why don't they talk to Harvey? Harvey might know something too?  

That's a very interesting question. Do you think Harvey Weinstein should be called as a witness by, or be approached by, Todd Blanche and the Justice Department?

I mean, he's a sex predator himself. So again, it's the same quandary involving someone who you have to ask the question of, "are they talking because they're really being honest, or because they want some kind of a deal?" So I think you have the same credibility issue with him. Although I feel like he might be able to provide information from a different vantage point, because he might not have been part of this Epstein sex trafficking operation, but maybe saw things? Do you know what I'm saying? I mean, I don't really know.

He was, despite what Donald Trump says to the contrary, friendly with Trump, who attended a number of -- it's been publicly reported, with photographs, that he and Melania attended Miramax film openings with Weinstein, and took photos with Weinstein. So they were friendly despite what Trump says. And we don't know what Weinstein might have to offer. I've seen a photograph of Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein, and Guislaine Maxwell all dressed up at Prince Andrews, at Windsor Castle, at Prince Andrew's daughter's birthday party.

Yeah, I remember that. I just don't think that anyone wants those names to get out of the men who were very powerful and wealthy, who participated in sex with these girls and young women. They're very powerful people, and I don't think that even Trump wants those names to get out.

No, absolutely. I want to ask you about an incident that happened. I think your story is one of the great stories of modern American journalism.

Thank you. Thank you.

You deserve all the laurels, and you know, this story, which you've doggedly pursued on your own, has American politics in its grip right now, years later. And it goes to the heart of not only the crimes that were committed of sexual predation, but also of social power and political power. And yet, when you were nominated for a Pulitzer Prize, someone wrote a letter urging the Pulitzer Prize committee not to give this award to you.

Right. Right. Alan Dershowitz, very publicly. He's put it on Twitter, so I'm not telling stories here.

Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer?

Yeah. Alan Dershowitz.

Not to mention Ken Starr, but that's another story.

I know now that there were a couple of journalists on the jury who didn't feel like what I did was much. Remember, by the time that they reviewed it, Epstein hadn't been arrested at that point. It was just after my series ran, so there was some feeling like, what's the big deal? Yeah.

Well, for a defense attorney to intervene in a journalism prize seems pretty extraordinary to me, and beyond the call of duty.  

Yeah. I mean, it is what it is.

And he has attempted to insert himself again, and claims that Ghislaine Maxwell is the Rosetta Stone, and before she was questioned by Todd Blanche, he raised her name.

Yeah. Well, she does know a lot. Ghislaine was on the ground level of this sex trafficking operation. In fact, some of the girl victims, or I should say survivors, that's what they want to be called, "the survivors," believe that she was a bigger monster than Epstein, because she was the one that made them feel safe. She was the one that brought them in. She used fraud by saying, "He's going to hire you. You're going to travel. You're going to be a masseuse." She acted like a motherly, nurturing type, you know, English lady with her English accent. And they took it as, "Wow, she's a really smart and kind lady." And she's who snared them. So in their mind and under the testimony that convicted her, some of these women were sexually molested by her. It wasn't that she just brought them to Epstein. She was involved with some of the sex. She would groom them, and tell them, "This is what you do to pleasure him."

I think with men who engage [DELETE] and hebephilia, it's more of a sickness that arises from their own abuse. Like my grandfather, my alleged grandfather, Walt's son, who worked for the CIA, allegedly faked his death to remove himself from my mother, because he was so sickened by what he could not control doing to her. Contrast that with my stepmother, who delighted in abusing me, and laughed at me when I was incapacitated by the drug they had me on, and made fun of me drooling on myself, being unable to speak. I think with her, and with Ghislaine, I'm certain they were abused as children themselves, but there's a different kind of psychopathy that grows within them where they get off on the power of it, and abetting in these acts to please their partners.

Now, Kari Epstein [her stepmother] was more sexually attracted to me than she was to her husband, Steven. But she did also do these things in order to stay in good graces with him. And that was more out of survival. Kari was a very broke cellist in her early adulthood with no familial support, whereas Ghislaine also comes from the aristocracy. She had access to her own funds independent of Jeffrey. So I can't speculate too much on what she gained from it besides psychopathic pleasure and sadism. A schaudenfraude of sorts. But I'm not a doctor. She was not a large presence in my life. That speculation on her personality is primarily based on what I know about my stepmother.  

-- Epstein's Niece [Ana Beth Epstein / Anna Petrova / Anya Wick] Exposes ALL From Bill Clinton to Cult of Baal Exclusive with Anya Wick, by Shaun Attwood

It would start out as a massage, then take off all your clothes, and it would be a little further each time. So she was grooming them for sex, and she participated in that.

Yeah, so I wonder if you're in touch at all with Maria Farmer?

With who?

Maria Farmer.

I've never interviewed her, even though I tried a couple of times, but initially she was suffering from cancer, and going through chemotherapy, and she just wasn't healthy enough. Then I had an interview scheduled with her. I was going to fly to Arkansas, and the night before I was scheduled to fly to interview her, Epstein was arrested. So I had to go to New York, and we never really were able to connect after that. I've never interviewed her.

And the connection to the relationship?

Well, Maria Farmer worked for Epstein. She was one of those women that got recruited, and worked for him, but in New York. And she is an artist, and Epstein was connected to a lot of important museum people, and people in the art world, and was telling her that he would help her with her paintings, and get people to look at them so she could sell them.

-- Inside power lobbyist, philanthropist and contemporary art collector Tony Podesta’s Kalorama home, by Laura Wainman, Washington Magazine, June 5, 2015

In any event, she has accused Epstein and Maxwell of trying to have sex with her. She rejected them, but she was there during this period of time when they were recruiting other people. So she had information. She saw some of this, and she went to do an interview with Vicky Ward, from Vanity Fair. And she told Vicky her story. She also went to the New York Police Department to report what was going on. They referred her to the FBI. The FBI did talk to her way back in the early 2000s, but they never did anything about it.

The time that is most memorable to me is the time when he hit on me because I was in the office. It was one of the first times I started working for Jeffrey. Donald Trump's a sleazebag. Okay. Yes. Um, it was when I started working for Epstein, and it was 9:00 at night. And Jeffrey Epstein's office was totally empty. I told the New York Times this, but of course they don't tell the whole thing, right? Even though Mike Baker is amazing, but they they would not allow him to tell the truth. So basically, I go into this office, it's 9:00 at night, and I sit down, and a few minutes later, and I'm wearing running clothes, okay, so it was really weird. It's 9:00 at night, and I'm wearing running clothes because I didn't have money. So I had to jog up there, right? And so I've just struggled, you know, for so long. So I'm like up there in the office seated, and I've got my running clothes on, so my legs are showing. And in walks this man that when I reported him to the FBI, I said that game show host Donald Trump, because I thought he was a game show host. He's so cheesy, you know. You know he walks in and I just kind of acknowledged him, like a head nod or something, and immediately he's seated across from me, I mean standing across the room from me, and I'm seated, and he's like oh Maria. Sorry, I was just looking at something. He's standing across the room, and he's looking at me, and I'm like oh gross. You know this guy's so gross. Anyway, he's just looking, glaring at my legs, like yum. I told my sister I felt like I was his dinner. or his lunch, you know? The way he was looking at me. So Epstein comes in and by the way, I did not look good. I was like not a pretty I'm not exceptionally beautiful or anything like that. These are just gross people, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. So I'm just like a normal person who went on a run and I'm seated there. So he assumed I was there for him. And Epstein, this is how I know. Epstein walks up to him and goes, "No, no, she's not here for you." And they were smirking and Epstein whispered something. He goes, "Go in there." And so Trump, at 9:00 at night, goes in the other room. There's someone in there for him. Right. Right. I don't know who. But Epstein said, "No, no, no. She's not here for you."

-- Trump has SHOCK ADMISSION on Victims on AIR FORCE ONE, by Ben Meiselas, MeidasTouch, Jul 29, 2025

So she encountered Trump, didn't she?

That's what she just said recently, yes. You know, Trump and Epstein were friends. I don't know how you can deny that. They were friends. Maybe they had a falling out later, but at one point they were very close. They were friends. So it wouldn't surprise me that she encountered him. She encountered other people, too. So you have to understand that she feels that if the FBI had listened to her back then, and had truly investigated what was going on, it's possible that all these hundreds of women wouldn't have been raped, or molested, or abused, you know, in her mind. Now as we know now, the portion about her talking about Epstein, it was a profile, by the way. Vicky Ward was doing a profile of Epstein, and the editor decided to take out the part about Maria.

I remember this years ago. It was Graydon Carter who took that out, I think.

Right. So she was around Maxwell, she was in that orbit where she could see what Epstein was doing. And by the way, both Maxwell and Epstein molested her sister who was younger than her, who was a teenager. And then tried to ingratiate themselves with her. What they would do is they would buy things for these victims. These victims were being dazzled by Epstein, because they had so much money. You would go into his home in New York, and there are pictures of him with Bill Clinton, and other world leaders. He had tons of money. He had a big staff that was doing everything for him. So they were sort of in awe of him. And Maria and Annie in particular, wanted to go to college, and they came from a family that didn't have means. And he was promising them that he would put them through college, at least put Annie through college.

She tells the story that when Trump came in, Epstein said, "This one's not for you."

This is the first time I heard her talk about that. But, you know, with victim trauma like that, you don't always remember everything right away. Sometimes it comes back to you years later. It's funny how your brain, especially if you're a child that has been abused, or a young person, it does affect you. I talked to experts about this, and it does affect the way your brain works.

Yeah, you're still on the case. You're still reporting on this.

I am. Yes. Yeah.

So as the Trump administration and its Department of Justice is meeting with Ghislaine Maxwell and so forth, you're still out there.

Yeah, I'm still here, and I'm following tips, and getting lots of them every day, by the way. I'm getting a lot of people, which by the way, when I was doing my story, my original investigation, I couldn't even get a lawyer to comment for me on that case. I had so many problems trying to get a lawyer to talk to me about this deal, and how it worked, and just to comment on how unusual this deal was. And it really was a struggle. In some ways, finding a lawyer that was willing to comment on that case was harder than getting the victims to talk to me.

You know, people do listen to this podcast, we hope. And if any sources are listening, what would you say to them about coming to you?

Well, I've done this for a very long time. So I keep my sources confidential. And I don't think I would have been able to do a story like this if I didn't know how to handle sources, because a lot of what I found out was through sources. They would point me in the right directions. That's what I'm looking for. someone who's going to point me at something that maybe nobody noticed before, or saw before, or just something that will lead me to uncover more about how this man and this woman really were able to sexually abuse so many young women and girls over two decades. So I'll listen and investigate I guess.  

Well thank you Julie K. Brown, the indispensable journalist of the Miami Herald, who has uncovered the Jeffrey Epstein case, and is still on it, as well as indispensable. The unsinkable Julie Brown . Thank you so much, and this session of the court of history, on behalf of Sean Wilentz and myself, is now adjourned.

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Trump Biographer REVEALS Trump DEADLY FEAR from Past
MeidasTouch
Aug 1, 2025

MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas introduces this exclusive report from Trump and Epstein biographer Michael Wolff about the torment Trump is going through right as he tells his friends he had nothing to do with the suspicious death.



Transcript

This is a Meidas Touch exclusive. You've
never heard these details before. They
come from Michael Wolf. Michael Wolf is
Donald Trump's former biographer.
Michael Wolf was also going to be
Epstein's biographer. Michael Wolf met
with Jeffrey Epstein multiple times,
spent hours and hours with Epstein,
heard things from Epstein that nobody
has heard before. So, Michael Wolf is
going to share these things with you.
Michael Wolf also has connections deep
inside the White House right now and
connections very close to Donald Trump.
Why? Because Wolf is Donald Trump's
former biographer. He's developed this
information. Now, Wolf has exclusive
details. Over the past 24 to 48 hours,
Donald Trump has apparently been calling
up close confidants to tell them, you
know, I didn't kill Epstein, right? You
know, it wasn't me who did that, right?
Do Do you know that? I want you to hear
it in Michael Wolf's words. what Trump
is allegedly saying to people that he
knows. But I also want you to hear from
Michael Wolf about other things that
Epstein told him that led to August of
2019 when eventually Epstein died.
Allegedly died by suicide. So this is
never before exclusive con never before
seen or heard exclusive content. What is
Donald Trump saying about how Epstein
died? Okay. Um, what did Epstein say to
Michael Wolf before his death?
Stunning words. I want you to watch now.
Hey, Michael, tell us uh give us this
exclusive info.
I had a conversation yesterday with
someone who speaks to Trump often, and
this person had spoken to Trump in the
last 48 hours. Now, a really
a really good way to understand what's
on Trump's mind is to track the
conversations that he has with this set
of people who he he calls often. Um, I
mean, I think my feeling has always been
that he uh that that that Trump needs to
think out loud and and uh calling this
list of people who he who he appears
appears to trust even though they might
call me afterwards.
uh is is a way really to say to think to
follow exactly what is on Trump's mind.
In this conversation that he had um
within the last last several days, he
said to this person, "People say I had
Epstein killed.
I didn't have Epstein killed," Trump
said. And then this person said,"Well,
do you think that he was killed?"
And Trump replied,
"A lot of people wanted him dead."
I find this,
to be honestly, a chilling conversation,
which I've
which I've been thinking about. Um, the
idea that the president of the United
States would have to say, even go out of
his way to say that he hadn't had
someone killed
seems chillingly
to imply that he could have had someone
killed,
you know, and there's a way that Trump
has often often spoken
about his belief that that
assassinations, both domestic and
foreign, have been carried out freely
carried out by the United States
government.
And then the idea that there are a whole
population of people who wanted Epstein
dead.
Um and and Trump Trump seems to include
rather include himself in in this and
and again it's that it's that sense and
sense on the part of Trump that he
believed Epstein knew too much.
And certainly in the case of in the case
of Trump,
Epstein could fill in a whole part of
the of the Trump background.
the um those early days, Trump's early
days in the real estate business in the
real estate business in in New York and
the real estate business in in New York
is filled with I a matter of fact I I
don't know how you're you can be in the
real estate business without having
direct connections to organized crime.
Um certainly that was that was one of
the things that Epstein talked about. Um
there are years in which the two of
these guys were just were pursuing
models, models, models, models. Uh doing
what what whatever they they could to
get these women this period in Trump's
life when there have where when there
have been accusations after accusations
by a whole lineup of of women. And then
this was the period in Trump's life of
his bankruptcies.
And Epstein had an had an interesting
view on on on this because
Trump was forgiven
personal loans that he had guaranteed
personally of about a billion dollars.
Now, when you're forgiven personal
loans, that immediately becomes income.
and Epstein would talk about his
involvement with Trump in hiding this
money from from the IRS.
What did Epstein know about Trump?
That's a a foundational question here.
And I spent a a lot of time thinking
about the ways in which Epstein
Epstein was a clear threat to Trump and
especially after he became the president
of the United States.
But I think it's also important to think
about
what kind of threat Trump was to
Epstein.
I know at one point when Epstein had
these would show me these pictures of
Trump
again it was a and I I described these
before but a set of about a dozen
Polaroid pictures three of which I
specifically remember
two with girls different girls sitting
on Trump's lap topless
and then if a third with a telltale
stain on the Trump on the front of
Trump's pants with um with
four or five girls pointing at this
topless girls pointing at him and
laughing and I I urged Trump I urged
Epstein I said I said these you should
release these these pictures um um I I
mean if for no other reason I mean and
Epstein was already in trouble and
already a a figure of of um um which
which uh which people were he was
already demonized. I said, you know,
maybe this will even even even help you.
You can be on the side of on the side of
right here. And um and I remember
Epstein said
again chilling at the time. He said, he
said,
"I may be a pervert, but I'm not crazy."
And then he said,
"Trump
is a man without any scruples."
A chill went up my back then.
And
I think this
I think this brings us to August 10th,
2019 in that jail cell. And obviously
obviously
all of the questions about what happened
that morning
are involved with why this story keeps
going.
And
the question, I think that the largest
largest question hovers over that is is
what did what did Donald Trump know
about what happened that that night?
And I think in all of the Epstein files,
that is the singular and pivotal
question we need answered.

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We Tracked Every Visitor to Epstein Island | WIRED
WIRED
Nov 22, 2024

Even in death, the secrets of disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein and his infamous private island remain tightly guarded. But in 2024 WIRED conducted an investigation uncovering the data of mobile devices belonging to almost 200 of his visitors. How strong was the data? So precise that we followed visitor's movements to and from Epstein Island to within centimeters—tracking their countries, neighborhoods, and even buildings of origin. This is Epstein Island’s Secret Data: On The Grid.



Transcript

- Even in death,
the secrets of Jeffrey Epstein remained tightly guarded.
But earlier this year,
I spearheaded a WIRED investigation
that uncovered the data of almost 200 mobile phones
belonging to visitors to his infamous Pedophile Island.
The data was so precise,
we were able to map the paths
of these visitors to within centimeters,
including their neighborhoods, buildings of origins,
and the paths they took to get to the island.
These digital trails document the numerous trips
of wealthy and influential individuals,
seemingly undeterred by Epstein's status
as a convicted sex offender.
WIRED's analysis of the data is ongoing
and it raises profound questions
about privacy and surveillance.
This is "Epstein Island's Secret Data, On The Grid."
This is Little Saint James, AKA Epstein Island.
These red dots on the map
represent some of the 11,279 coordinates I obtained.
They were left exposed online by a location data broker
with ties to the Defense Department
called Near Intelligence.
Between 2016 and Epstein's final arrest in 2019,
Near collected data on more than 200 cell phones
that visited the island.
We don't know why they did that,
or which client or prospective client of Near
decided to query the data in this way to produce the maps.
But the maps you'll see in this video,
show where visitors to Epstein Island
spent most of their time.
Let's take a step back.
You might be wondering, "Where is Epstein Island anyways?"
Well, it's here, Little Saint James is a private island
that is part of the U.S .Virgin Islands,
an unincorporated territory
of the United States in the Caribbean Sea.
Epstein purchased Little Saint James
in 1998 for $7.95 million.
It's about 71 acres, the size of 54 football fields.
He made the island his primary residence,
and soon after, began welcoming visitors
and throwing infamous parties where he was accused
of having groomed, sexually assaulted,
and trafficked untold numbers of women and girls.
The maps of the data collected by Near,
and which we at WIRED recreated here,
indicate the most visited spots on the island.
From the main house here with the pool,
to the beaches and the large sundial,
it's all on display,
including the enigmatic Hilltop Temple site over here,
which has been the focal point and speculations
about Epstein's mysterious activities on the island.
But the tracking of phones,
wasn't contained to Little Saint James,
surveillance continued long after the visitors left.
The data reveals the locations of visitors
30 minutes before and after arriving on the island,
which shows us the exact routes everyone took to get there.
Some landed here, at the Cyril E. King Airport
on neighboring Saint Thomas Island.
With its private jet and VIP terminals,
it was the go-to hub
for Epstein's 200-seater Boeing 727 plane
dubbed Lolita Express.
We see data points clustered at various area beaches,
hotels, and luxury resorts,
including the Ritz Carlton Hotel here.
To get to Epstein's Island,
many visitors got on a boat at a designated dock
at the American Yacht Harbor,
a private marina on Saint Thomas,
co-owned by Epstein at the time.
From there, we see a flow of movement
through Great Saint James Island,
a larger island just to the north,
which Epstein purchased in 2016 for $22 million.
He had hoped to develop it,
but was met with legal challenges
after damaging the island's coral reefs
and protected habitats.
The data then traces visitors' movements
as they were ferried to Epstein's private dock
on Little Saint James.
Epstein also had a helipad on the island
and owned at least one helicopter, a Sikorsky S-76
which he used often to transport himself, guests,
and victims from the airport or elsewhere,
according to legal documents and testimony.
It's worth noting that the data reveals
a regular flow of traffic to and from Little Saint James,
between 2016 and 2019.
A lot of people were visiting the island,
even after eps Epstein had pleaded guilty in 2008,
and served jail time for procuring a minor for prostitution.
If we keep following the data trail
and we widen our view,
we'll see that the tracking of visitors
continues once they have left the island,
and presumably gone back home.
The Near Intelligence data we uncovered,
pinpoints 166 locations throughout the United States,
in 80 cities across 26 states.
Topping the list were Florida, Massachusetts, Texas,
Michigan, and New York.
The data points are labeled as "Common Evening Locations,"
or "Common Daytime Locations.
Typically, their homes are work.
Many of the visitors were likely wealthy,
as indicated by coordinates
pointing gated communities in Michigan,
as well as homes in Martha's Vineyard,
and Nantucket in Massachusetts.
We even have data points from a Downtown Miami nightclub,
and also the sidewalk across the street
from Trump Tower in New York City.
Before we jump to conclusions,
some sources have highlighted interactions
between Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein at social events.
But after Epstein's 2008 conviction,
there are no verified reports
of Trump maintaining a relationship
with a convicted pedophile.
Take a look at this point over here in New Mexico,
this is a property that was owned by Epstein,
a secluded 8,000-acre ranch.
Another property of Epstein's
is seen over here on El Brillo Way in Palm Beach, Florida.
This waterfront mansion was sold, demolished,
and is now being rebuilt,
but it was where prosecutors claimed Epstein trafficked
numerous underage girls
with the intention of molesting and abusing them.
But we don't just see the coordinates
of wealthy homes amongst the data.
The median household income of Palm Beach
is more than twice that of nearby communities
where we also see data points.
Some of these points could represent victims or employees
who worked on the island,
which is why we're careful about revealing names,
and continue to carefully analyze the data.
If we zoom out more, we notice something strange.
There are no data points anywhere in Europe.
Does this mean it was strictly Americans
visiting Jeffrey Epstein on his island?
No, we do see data points from the cache identifying
origin cities in Australia, the Cayman Islands,
and way over here in Kiev in Ukraine.
We know that Epstein himself had a place in Paris,
and we know from victim testimony and flight logs
that his associate, Jean-Luc Brunel,
owner of a modeling agency in Paris
did visit the island.
So why don't we see these data points?
One possibility could be Europe's extensive privacy laws.
Considered the strongest
privacy and security law in the world,
the General Data Protection Regulation, GDPR,
gives Europeans robust rights to their personal data,
even outside of Europe.
Under comparatively lax US privacy laws,
Near intelligence was able to source its location data
for this precision surveillance.
To explain how this data
might have been collected in the first place,
we need to talk about
the world of digital advertising and data brokers.
The reason you get a targeted ad
displayed on an app or a website
is because apps on your phone
have been transmitting information about you
to ad exchanges in real-time bidding platforms,
that information often includes your location data.
Data brokers, like Near Intelligence,
extract, repackage, analyze,
and sell the data from these ad platforms.
In fact, according to internal company documents from 2019,
Near Intelligence, which has roots in Singapore
and Bengaluru, India,
claimed to have information
on around 1.6 billion people in 44 countries.
They offer a platform for searching
that allows their clients to query their vast dataset,
by drawing a box around a specific area
like Little Saint James,
Near then provides insights
about the devices that observed within the selected area.
We don't know who or why someone searched Epstein Island,
but the reports and maps they created
were sitting unprotected and totally searchable
as publicly accessible code,
and that's where we found them.
And those aren't the only
Near Intelligence data sets that we found.
Google's web crawlers were able to locate
at least two other reports,
one geofencing the Westfield Mall in the Netherlands,
and another target in a park in El Paso, Texas.
This is data
unrelated to our investigation about Epstein Island,
but it shows how unsafe personal data can be.
In some cases, it's just a Google search away.
So Pro Tip, if you don't want your personal data
swimming around in the murky waters
or programmatic advertising,
make sure you limit ad tracking on your phone,
disable location services and third-party cookies,
and use an ad blocker.
So what happened to the island
after Epstein reportedly committed suicide
in a Manhattan federal jail
while awaiting trial for sex trafficking?
Well, in May of 2023,
billionaire investor Stephen Deckoff,
purchased both Little Saint James
and Great Saint James for $60 million.
He's currently building a luxury resort
on Little Saint James,
that he says could open as early as 2025.
Also, Ghislaine Maxwell,
former British socialite and Epstein accomplice,
was convicted in 2021 on five counts,
including sex trafficking of minors by force.
Maxwell was arrested in Bradford, New Hampshire
tracked to a million-dollar home by federal agents
using location data pulled from her cell phone.
I'm Dhruv Mehrotra,
the WIRED Investigation
into the Secret Data of Epstein's Island continues.

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Part 1 of __

pt1- Was Jeffrey Epstein A Spy?
by NJ Criminal Podcast
Premiered Jul 22, 2025 NJ Criminal Podcast

Next episode: • pt2- Jeffrey Epstein's Private Aviation Ne... - Tom the producer reveals Jeffrey Epstein not just as a convicted offender, but as a likely central figure in a sophisticated covert operation involving arms trafficking, money laundering, and systematic protection by government agencies. Allegedly...

KEY REVELATIONS EXPOSED:

• Intelligence Training: How Epstein was allegedly trained in arms trafficking and money laundering by international dealers with intelligence connections
• Financial Crimes & Protection: His role as "technical wizard" in the $482 million Towers Financial fraud scheme - and how he mysteriously escaped prosecution
• The Wexner Connection: How billionaire Leslie Wexner gave Epstein "complete power of attorney" and transferred his $77 million Manhattan mansion for $0
• Political Access: Epstein's 17 documented visits to the Clinton White House and his integration into elite policy circles
• The 2008 Deal: How U.S. Attorney Alex Acosta admitted he was told Epstein "belonged to intelligence" and to "leave it alone"
• The 2025 DOJ Memo: Government claims that no client list exists, timed with high-level political visits

SOURCES: Court documents, government records, congressional testimony, Whitney Webb's "One Nation Under Blackmail," and award-winning investigative journalism.

This isn't speculation - it's documented evidence. The story reveals systematic protection of powerful individuals by government networks.



Transcript

August 10th, 2019, 6:30 a.m. at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New
York City. Jeffrey Epstein, billionaire,
financeier, and convicted sex offender, alleged trafficker of hundreds, if not
thousands of minors, is found dead in his cell.
The official story is, of course, suicide. Case closed. Move along. Nothing to see
here. But something remarkable happened. Alex
Acasta, the same US attorney who gave Epstein that infamous 18-month sweetheart deal back in 2008,
admitted something that should be
all over the place. And it's that Epstein is associated with intelligence.
According to multiple sources, including investigative journalist Vicky Ward, when Aosta was asked by the Trump
transition team to explain that lenient sentence, he said, and I quote, "I was
told Epstein belonged to intelligence and to leave it alone."
Belonged to intelligence. Think about that for a moment. A United
States attorney admits he gave a child trafficker
rapist a slap on the wrist because someone in the intelligence community told him to back off.
Welcome to the New Jersey Criminal Podcast. I'm Tom the producer. And what you're about to hear isn't conspiracy
theory. It's all documented fact. court records, government memos,
congressional testimony, investigative journalism that won pulit surprises.
I rely heavily. I've got to give a shout out early
to a twobook series that has done a wonderful job of
organizing the people in information in this case and that's Whitney Webb's one
nation under blackmail part one and two. That's one of many sources I'm using but I have to shout that out. as a topshelf
bit of investigation. So over the next hour, we're going to examine the Epstein case through the
lens of documented evidence, not speculation nor theories.
I'll probably get into a theory or two, but when it comes to child exploitation
and trafficking, the real conspiracy isn't in wild theories and shadowy cabals. It's it's about the systematic
protection of powerful predators by other powerful people who benefit from keeping the truth buried.
They're forcing us to tell the story with their actions over the last month. Today, we start with a simple premise,
the making of an intelligence asset. Jeffrey Edward Epstein was born January
20th, 1953 in Brooklyn, New York. His father was a groundskeeper for the New York's parks department. and his mother
was a homemaker. Or was he?
By age 14, Jeffrey was in elite circles in ways that in retrospect seem almost
orchestrated. And you're, this is going to be a theme from his first hirings onward.
like he's been touched by a golden angel who makes sure that he always gets
picked for something outrageously connected to power.
14-year-old Epstein attended the prestigious Interlockan Center for the
Arts reportedly on a scholarship for his bassoon aptitude.
You heard me right. His bassoon aptitude. Now, here's what's chilling about this
detail is that decades later, investigators would discover Epstein used his connections to interlock and to
recruit what Webb describes in her books as an as unwitting female teens with
musical talents into his sex trafficking and sex blackmail enterprise. He donated
heavily to the school and even constructed his own lodge there.
And this is the pattern we're going to see over and over is Epstein embedding himself in institutions where he can
access children while simultaneously being positioned for advancement by forces that should
have been protecting those same children
after graduating Lafayette High School at 16, having again skipped two grades.
And nobody can explain this because later he's drops out and drops out and drops out college after college.
Doesn't exactly excel. But in high school somehow he's graduating at 16, skipped two grades and he jumps to the
prestigious Cooper Union College from 69 to 71. Then NYU from 71
to 74. He didn't graduate from either. that in 1974,
this repeat college dropout was hired at one of the most elite
schools in Manhattan. Think about that. One of New York's most
prestigious private schools hired a man with no college degree, no teaching credentials to educate children of the
wealthy and powerful. That's way wilder than inexplicably
graduating at 16. But it gets it gets better.
Former students later recalled, according again to Web's research, Epstein's persistent attention to
teenage girls attending student parties and attempts to spend time with female students away from school.
people who worked at Daltton at the time all remark
that even then it seemed bizarre that this guy with no degree is being brought into the one of the most elite schools.
It's wild. So he ends up leaving Dalton in 1976
officially due to concerns about his teaching skills. But there's already a
creepy pattern of inappropriate attention to teenage girls and then this
convenient exit with no consequences. Get used to those phrases. Inappropriate
attention to teenage girls followed by a convenient exit with no consequences.
Next stop, Wall Street. In 1976, Epstein was hired. Oh, no, no,
no, no. Let me jump back to Dalton real quick. The man who hired
Jeffrey Epstein at the Dalton school
was Bill Bar, Trump's first term attorney general's
father. Epstein
wasn't just hired into this elite school, which was wild enough 3 minutes ago that I forgot this little detail,
but he was hired by the father of the man who was running
the Justice Department of the United States when He
allegedly committed suicide in the most
locked down jail in the country.
Next stop, Wall Street. In 1976, Epstein was hired by Bear Sterns,
prestigious investment bank. He's hired by Allan Ace Greenberg, who would later
become the firm's CEO. Within four years,
four years, this college dropout with no financial c credentials and no college
degree became a limited partner at Bear Sterns
investment bank. Another golden touch on his shoulder, it
would seem. Now, Webb notes he became known for his knowledge of US tax codes and how wealthy individuals could avoid
them. And that's huge.
his the flag he plants early in his career
hiding money, laundering money. And we'll see where that then bleeds
into all the criminal activity that surrounds the type of people who need to hide and
launder money. And in 1981, something happened that
would establish another pattern in his life. Documented criminal activity.
again followed by mysterious protection. So according to SEC records
in April 81, Epstein was
he's brought in he's interviewed as part of an insider trading investigation involving a tender offer by the
Bronmanowned Seager Company.
Here's the remarkable part. Epstein resigned from Bear Sterns the day after this tender offer and internal company
sources suggested he's in illegal operations had committed perhaps significant expense accounts violations
and these are all things that should end your career on Wall Street.
So then what happens next, 81 to 86, is also crucial to understanding how Epstein became Jeffrey Epstein. Very murky activities during this time. His main company during this period was an intercontinental assets group incorporated in 1981. His claim is that he worked as what he called a bounty hunter for the rich and powerful, helping recover money looted by African dictators, or alternatively helping the rich and powerful hide their stolen money. According to Steven Hoffenberg's sworn testimony, something far more significant was happening during this period. Epstein was being trained in arms trafficking and money laundering by Adnan Khasshoggi and Sir Douglas Lease. Now let me repeat that. Arms trafficking and money laundering training by international arms dealers with documented intelligence connections. Adnan Khasshoggi was a Saudi arms dealer who, according to multiple sources, was allegedly on the payroll of Israel's MOSSAD, close to the intelligence apparatus of the Saudis and the United States. Douglas Lease was a British arms dealer with intelligence connections who would later be involved in the Al Yamama arms deal with Saudi Arabia, a deal so corrupt that investigations into it were shut down by Tony Blair and Prince Andrew. Yes, the same Prince Andrew who would later become Epstein's close friend and alleged client.

13. (C) The brunch had already lasted almost twice its allotted time, but the Prince looked like he was just getting started. Having exhausted the topic of Kyrgyzstan, he turned to the general issue of promoting British economic interests abroad. He railed at British anti-corruption investigators, who had had the "idiocy" of almost scuttling the Al-Yamama deal with Saudi Arabia. (NOTE: The Duke was referencing an investigation, subsequently closed, into alleged kickbacks a senior Saudi royal had received in exchange for the multi-year, lucrative BAE Systems contract to provide equipment and training to Saudi security forces. END NOTE.) His mother's subjects seated around the table roared their approval. He then went on to "these (expletive) journalists, especially from the National Guardian, who poke their noses everywhere" and (presumably) make it harder for British businessmen to do business.

-- CANDID DISCUSSION WITH PRINCE ANDREW ON THE KYRGYZ ECONOMY AND THE "GREAT GAME", 2008 October 29, 12:07

And some notes on Adnan Kosigible. If that name
rings a bell, it might be a recollection
of the journalist Kosigible who two and a half years a three years ago was
murdered in the Saudi embassy in was it Turkey?
Well, Adnan was his uncle. And the journalist who got murdered in
that Saudi embassy wasn't just a journalist.
He also had intelligence ties. So
according to Hoffenberg's testimony documented by Web, Epstein was not just learning from these men. He was becoming
what Hoffenberg called a major participant and principal in the arms trafficking and money laundering
operations of Adnan Kosigible and Sir Douglas Lees for Israel. Now this wasn't
freelance criminal activity. This was intelligence work. This is the training of an asset who would later use these
same skills, financial manipulation, international networks, sexual compromise to build what prosecutors
would eventually call a sexual pyramid scheme.
But first, he had to perfect his craft. And and this is where the Towers Financial Corporation comes in.
One of the largest Ponzi schemes in US history. and Jeffrey Epstein's graduate
school in financial crime. From 87 to 93,
Jeffrey Epstein partnered with Steven Hoffenberg at Towers Financial Corporation and what happened there
would demonstrate essentially his criminal brilliance and
the protection network that would shield him from consequences for the rest of his life. Towers Financial was prior to
what's his name? Maid off. I think this was the largest or one of the largest
Ponzi schemes in US history. They siphoned funds from acquired
insurance companies and sold unregistered promisory notes worth 272 million to people of modest means plus
bonds that were worth another 210 million. And this is late8s money.
Hoffenberg called Web Epstein brilliant. He called him the technical mastermind behind these fraudulent transactions.
He said Epstein was personally extracting hundreds of thousands of dollars from the scheme, including $25,000 monthly checks. And here's where
it gets interesting is that in November 93, Hoffenberg testified before a
Chicago grand jury and told them Epstein was in charge of and the technical
wizard of the entire tower's financial fraud. Okay. So, this is someone
in sworn testimony who's working in partnership with
Jeffrey Epstein, saying Jeff was in charge. Jeff was the wizard of the fraud.
Three months later, Epstein's name mysteriously disappeared from the case entirely. He was never charged,
never indicted, never prosecuted. Other Towers executives went to prison
and our college dropout elite school teacher
walks away from one of the biggest frauds in history. Uh he later got sued I think by was it
Hoffenberg saying this dude did it he did it u and that went nowhere.
Web's research also reveals that lawsuits went on for decades from the victims. Uh found as late as 2018
victims were still trying to hold Epstein accountable and
in large part those lawsuits were dismissed. again
fitting in nicely with what appears to be these golden touch efforts to shield
Epstein from any culpability at any point in his life. Hoffenberg later claimed that if his
case had gone to trial, it would have exposed not only Epstein's role um but the full extent of the Epstein to Lee's
connection, which would have been damaging for several parties, including the intelligence agencies to which both
Epstein and Lees were allegedly connected. But think about that. This
financial fraud case was essentially killed. the civil lawsuits are killed
and it's appears to be because the ties that lead not just to Epstein
and Hoffenberg but to Epstein's then connections especially Lees. So
he's now a finely tuned weapon for arms trafficking and international money
laundering. and he's teflon. Nothing sticks to him. Heck, nothing gets thrown at him to
stick. But he wasn't just learning financial crime at this point.
He was demonstrating intimate working knowledge of front companies.
And why is that important? Because intelligence doesn't do business
as intelligence. CIA doesn't go set up a business and say, "Hey, we're going to do an operation.
They work with somebody who's got the skill set that has been recently acquired by a guy like Jeffrey Epstein
for front companies and moneyaundering and hiding money
and all the components of the financial webs by those looking to hide nefarious
money." So his relationship with the Bank of Credit and Commerce International is particularly
significant. That's um Adnan Kosogible's main bank and was later exposed as a
moneyaundering operation for intelligence agencies and organized crime worldwide. Now that's happened to
a bunch of banks. It's not an unusual story where something happens and the beans get spilled that
they're playing dirty pool with big business organized crime and
intelligence. In addition to that, there's
congressional investigations and they reveal that the Bank of Credit and Commerce International was involved in
what they described as obtaining leverage over powerful individuals
by providing young ladies sometimes underage.
Sound familiar? So now potentially we've got not
potentially we've got Adnan Kosigible who going back decades and decades has this reputation for doing just that
gaining power over individuals by sex blackmail.
We've got Epstein all trained up and then we've got their bank
according to congressional investigators we've got their bank Kosogi and Epstein's involved in leverage over
powerful individuals by providing young women sometimes underage. So
it doesn't take great leaps to see the natural progression here. and
he remains just squeaky clean teflon. So by 87 now Epstein the debacle he comes
out just clean as a whistle. 86 87 Epstein is branding himself as a
property developer which is
that's fine. Hey great be a property developer. But if you've just got your masters in money laundering and
financial tricks, this is a perfect new means of disguising that. Now he's a builder.
Big big bucks can move around in that conversation. And his focus is uh New York City, Palm
Beach, Florida markets, both of which are known for commercial real estate moneyaundering. Now he's also
extensively involved in foreign currency trading. A um 95 letter from Lynn
Forester, who became Lady De Rothschild, to President Clinton,
referenced Jeffrey Epstein and currency stabilization,
quote unquote. Let me pause here to emphasize something important.
That's not a theory or speculation. These are all documented business relationships, court filings,
congressional testimony, and sworn statements from people who work directly next to Epstein.
Meanwhile, Epstein's intelligence connections get deeper and deeper. I mean, Kosigible's got to retire at some
point, and so does Gizlane Maxwell's father, Robert Maxwell, though. We'll leave that
for later. According to Israeli military intelligence officer Ari Ben Minaj,
Epstein's affiliation with Israeli intelligence dated back to at least the mid 80s.
Ben Minaj claimed he was personally introduced to Epstein by Robert Maxwell.
Yep. Gizlane's father as someone who had been approved by the higherups in the Israeli
intelligence network. This intro allegedly included Ahoud Barack, who's a
former Israeli prime minister and head of military intelligence. Hoffenberg corroborated this, claiming
that in the 80s, Epstein boasted of ties to Israeli intelligence services. He would later brag about being a CIA
agent. At the time, Gizlain Maxwell is making the introduction through her father to
intelligence.
But the intelligence connections weren't limited to Israel, of course. So, multiple sources suggest Epstein had
ties to CIA operations as well. And there's
documentation that ties Robert Maxwell to CIA operations
in his history far before these conversations in the 80s and 90s.
According to reporting by Nigel Roser in 2001, Epstein once claimed to have
worked for the CIA. He later denied it when questioned by journalists. Uh by the early 90s, he's positioned perfectly
at the intersection of international arms dealing, money laundering, intelligence operations, and sexual
compromise. He has a financial skill set. He has an international network,
and he has the protection of intelligence agencies. All he needs is an operational
infrastructure. And that's when he meets
Lesie Wexner. This is unbelievable.
Lex Les Wexner wasn't just Jeffrey Epstein's client.
He wasn't just his business partner. According to evidence we'll examine, Wexner provided something far more
valuable. He provided cover, credibility, and financial infrastructure for what would become the
largest sexual blackmail operation in modern history. In the late 1980s, Wexner, founder and
CEO of the limited and victorious secret,
Abberrombian Fitch, he gave Jeff Epstein something that
billionaires simply don't give to money managers. He gave Jeffrey Epstein complete power
of attorney over his finances. Think about that.
Less Waxner, worth billions of dollars, gave a college dropout with no
credentials and a history of financial fraud affiliations unlimited access to
his money, his properties, and his business empire. So, it looks like Wexner provided the
bankroll for much of the operation, provided a convenient cover for Epstein,
where he poses as a recruiter for Victoria's Secret.
Young women and girls were allegedly told they were being recruited for Victoria's Secret modeling
opportunities. Instead, they were being recruited into Epstein's trafficking network. The Victoria Secret brand,
the most one of the most recognizable names in fashion, was allegedly being used as a front for child trafficking.
So, it gets a little worse. Wexner also
claimed to have bankrolled other sex trafficking ring via this guy Mike Jeff, the former CEO of Abbercrombie and
Fitch. So, we're talking about Les Wexner here
may have allegedly funded not one but two separate sex trafficking operations using his retail empire to provide cover
for the recruitment of young women underage.
Through Wexner, Epstein gains access to multiple properties that would become
central to his operation. his handed a Manhattan mansion at 9 East
71st Street, the largest private residence in Manhattan,
was transferred to Jeffrey Epstein by Wexner
for0. Wexner just gave Epstein a Manhattan
mansion worth of worth tens of millions of dollars for free. If you want to lose your mind,
check out Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous. Did
Jeffrey Epstein? It's almost like they did it ironically
when you watch it now because they they say things like he can't stay out of the classroom. Now he's a billionaire and he
can't stay out of the classroom. That's in the Robin Leech is saying that on Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous. You
couldn't script it. and the the Palm Beach mansion, where
much of the documented abuse secured, was also connected to Westerners's financial network. Again, going to Web's
research, these properties were equipped with what she describes as a network of cameras, including in bedrooms and
bathrooms, allegedly for recording blackmail footage.
Jump to Gizen Maxwell's first trial. If I'm mispronouncing her name, I couldn't possibly give less of a [ __ ] FBI agents
testified that they found hard drives and CDs with compromising material during their 2019 raid of Epstein's
Manhattan mansion. But here's the shocking part. Evidence disappeared from FBI custody in a case
involving the trafficking of potentially a thousand children. Evidence that could have exposed the clients and
co-conspirators simply vanished. But Epstein's not just building a
domestic operation at his point at this point in time. His intelligence connections are giving him both
international reach and protection. From '92 to 96, the
State Department under Secretary of State Jim Baker
leased a former Iranian console general residence in Manhattan
to Epstein. It would seem
that there's other reasons beyond just seeking a financially welloff tenant for this arrangement.
Jim Baker's connections included Raymond Hill, owner of Mainland Savings, a
savings and loan tied to Adnan Kosigible and allegedly tied to Israeli and
American intelligence. Epstein's gaining membership in the most
exclusive foreign policy organizations in America from 95 to 2009. He was a member of the
Council on Foreign Relations. He was also a member of the trilateral
commission. He was on the board of Rockefeller University, allegedly
appointed personally by David Rockefeller. According to Leon Black, a co-founder of Apollo Global
Management, who later paid Epstein's uh 190 million for financial advice,
advice not to invest advice.
190 million. Nothing weird about that.
So that's according to Leon Black, he was personally appointed by David Rockefeller to the university board.
I mean, and Leon Black should know because for some reason he's paying him $190 million. So this isn't just
networking. This is positioning. This is Epstein being placed at the
heart of foreign policy, financial establishment,
and simultaneously running an international child child trafficking operation
where if you mix that chocolate with that peanut butter, you've then got the most important people in the world
at a blackmail operation. Oh man, can you do damage? But let's not jump ahead.
His Austrian passport issued in the 1980s under an alias with a Saudi
Arabian address suggests assistance from highly
connected Austrian diplomats or somebody with clout in Austria. I mean, you don't
just get a passport and multiple passports
when his properties were raided, including US passports. Now, how do you have multiple US passports? You got a
friend in intelligence. You've got a friend who can boss around the State Department and get them to
issue. I mean, that that's that's that'd be the most powerful thing most of us ever
pulled off in our life. Oh, I got the US government to just give me a fake P. Let's and these are like the the
breadcrumbs on the plate in this conversation. All right. So, I will say Whitney Webb speculates that
his connection in a in Austria could have been a guy whose name is Ronald
Lauder who served as US ambassador to Austria from 86 to 87
and had ties to intelligence.
But perhaps more significantly, Epstein's operation was attracting the attention of powerful individuals who
should have been investigating him, not socializing with him.
Former CIA director Bill Burns was friends with Epstein and met with him numerous times, which he admitted only
after first trying and failing to cover it up. Epstein reportedly helped Burns secure a position at Carnegie Endowment
for International Peace, because that's what college dropouts do.
They bestow positions with the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace,
which is a deep state think tank. A CIA director
taking career help from a known child trafficker.
This is after Epstein's first conviction.
Most true crime stories, that would be the craziest element you ever heard. Oh my god. You watch that true crime
documentary? The CIA director was working with them. There's so much [ __ ]
going on here. That's just another breadcrumb. But I digress once again. So
by the early 2000s, Epstein had built a multibillion
dollar covert operation that combined international arms trafficking, money laundering, sexual blackmail and
intelligence operations into a single network designed to compromise and
control potentially the most powerful/influential individuals in the world.
Powerful meaning seauite and politician.
Influential meaning entertainment
maybe. So
let's jump to January 20th, 1993.
Slick Willie Bill Clinton inaugurated as the 42nd president of the USA.
Within months, Jeffrey Epstein was walking through the doors of the White
House as if he owned the place. According to visitor logs from the White
House obtained through Freedom of Information Act requests, Epstein
visited the Clinton White House a documented 17 times. Not 17 meetings
in three visits. 17 separate visits,
often accompanied by what witnesses described as attractive young women.
But it wasn't just social visits. Epstein's meetings were particularly
concentrated with Mark Middleton, the deputy chief chief of staff, who was later described as being embroiled in
foreign espionage activities, quote unquote. Uh, Web suggests this probably points to
a scandal in the Clinton area that's never been investigated.
Now, Mark Middleton is dead. He's suicided himself in May 2022 under what
are described as highly unusual circumstances. He was reportedly found hang from a tree with an extension cord,
then shot himself twice in the chest with a shotgun. Let me repeat that.
He was hanged from a tree, then shot himself twice in the chest
with a shotgun. The man who facilitated
Jeffrey Epstein's access to President Bill Clinton died under circumstances so
unusual that they would be hilarious if they weren't so convenient for people who wanted to avoid questions about that
access. But the Clinton connection goes far
beyond White House visits. There's photographic evidence, actual photographs of President Clinton
receiving a massage from Shantae Davies,
underage girl who was trafficked by EP Epstein while traveling on Epstein's private jet.
I've seen the picture. It's Clinton getting a back rub. Uh I mean, it doesn't look good. I'm not
going to jump to any conclusions beyond there because that's the only picture I've seen. Now, the Clinton Epstein relationship
continued long after Clinton left office. He flew on Epstein's private jet, the
Lolita Express. I want to say
27 times, even more times than Epstein visited the White House.
They show Clinton traveling to Epstein's private island and other properties where the abuse was taking place.
There's affidavit of testimony also from uh victims
who claim to uh mingled with Bill Clinton on the island itself.
Clinton wasn't the only powerful dude in Epstein's orbit at that point. Prince Andrew, who's the second son of Queen
Elizabeth, too, became one of Epstein's closest associates and alleged clients.
There is a photograph that
supports proof of a relationship Prince Andrew
had with his arm around the waist of a 17-year-old Virginia Guay.
Virginia Guay with Gizlane Maxwell standing beside them.
Now, I hate to point this out. Virginia Gefrey just
allegedly quote committed unquote.
But back to the picture of Gizlane Maxwell standing next to Prince Andrew and Virginia Duffrey when she was alive
and 17 years old. I don't know if you saw the interview with that idiot,
Prince Andrew. So, you're absolutely sure that you're at home on the 10th of March.
She was very specific about that night. She described dancing with you.
And you profusely sweating and that she went on to have bar possibly. There's a slight problem
with with with with with the sweating um because uh I I I
have a peculiar medical condition which is that I don't sweat um or I didn't
sweat at the time. I'd bet a million dollars he's a child. And that was Oh, was she? Yes.
I didn't sweat at the time because I um had suffered what I would describe as an
overdose of adrenaline in the Falklands War when I was shot at. Uh and I simply
it it was it was it was almost impossible for me to to sweat. And it's only because I have done a number of
things in the recent past that I'm starting to be able to do that again. So
I'm afraid to say that that that that there's a medical condition that says that I didn't do it. So therefore because I was inverted.
No, he was, man. It was really great move. He was inverted.
Is it possible that you met Virginia Roberts, dined with her, danced with her
in [ __ ] had sex with her on another date? No.
Do you remember meeting her at all? No. Do you know you didn't meet her or do
you just not remember? No, I have. I I I I don't know if I've met her, but no, I I have no
recollection of meeting her because she was very specific. She described the dance that you had together in [ __ ] She described meeting
you. She was a 17-year-old girl meeting a senior member of the royal family.
Never happened. She provided a photo of the two of you together.
Yes. Your arm was around her waist. Yes. You've seen the photo. I've seen the photograph. How do you
explain that? I can't because I don't I have no again I have
absolutely no memory of that photograph ever being taken. Do you recognize yourself in the photo?
Yeah, it's pretty difficult not to recognize yourself. Some [ __ ] is lying. Now, perhaps more
significantly, Epstein's connections extend into the world of technology and scientific research in ways that also
suggest intelligence agency interest. And
there's an underlying theme there that's worth mentioning, which is
the OSS, the predecessor to the CIA,
was explicitly supposed to avoid relationships with the criminal element
from its founding. But as early as World War II,
behind the back of the president, sometimes behind the back of the head of intelligence,
they were absolutely married to organized crime. And so pre- internet,
pre-technological advances we're dealing with right now,
the best marriage for intelligence to have somebody doing dirty work for them
is organized crime. I would argue now the best connections for intelligence
are companies like Facebook, banks,
cell phone companies.
But Epstein's got a bent for scientific research and
some interesting scientific research. looks like he was interested in
everything the intel agencies are interested in.
He actively and you can find interviews with people like who's it Brett Weinstein or Eric Weinstein the
physicist. He's like Jeff Epstein knew all about my work and I don't know why
but I'd love to know why Jeff Epstein knew all about my work. So he targeted and formed relationships
with these technologists, researchers, scientists, prominent intellectuals. Stephen Hawking,
Stephen Hawking was rolling around that island.
Marvin Minsky Minsky later had sexual allegations
against him. Bill Gates met with Epstein multiple times after his conviction despite knowing about his criminal
history. Gates along with figures like Peter Teal, Jeff Bezos had direct business
relationships or have direct business relationships with US intelligence
agencies and actively work with CIA, NSA, and the rest of them. Amazon's
given him servers. Mark Zuckerberg is cited as an example of what people consider an asset,
providing data access to the CIA through Facebook's vast surveillance network. And unless I'm mistaken, Peter freaking
Teal was one of the seed funders of Facebook and Teal's linked to to
intelligence top to bottom. I'm not sure that Facebook wasn't started specifically to be a surveillance
platform, but leave that for another day.
So, this not just about sexual compromise. This is about intelligence gathering at the highest levels of
scientific, technological, and political power. Epstein used philanthropy as
moneyaundering. He helped set up the Gates Foundation. He was involved in setting up the Clinton Global
Initiative, which is probably a great tool to launder a bunch of money if
that's what you wanted to do. I'm not saying that's what anybody wants to do. He had significant
donor relationships with several of the top schools in the country and ties to university board members, teachers and
executives across the country. And there are a list as long as my arm of the top
tier schools in the country that have relationships with intelligence or certain intelligence programs have
actually been run on those university campuses, be they research programs,
think LSD, MK Ultra, that type of thing. a research environment is a perfect
place to do things like that. So he's hooked in across the country at
that level. But by 2005, the network that protected
him for decades now is going to face its first real test because you've got a
14-year-old girl in Palm Beach, Florida. She's about to tell her parents
something that's going to launch an investigation into Jeff Epstein. And that's when we learned
confirm how deep his protection network really goes.
So in 2005, a 14-year-old girl and her parents make a report to the Palm Beach
police. Jeffrey Epstein had molested her at his mansion. This isn't a rumor. This
wasn't gossip. This wasn't speculation. This was a formal police report alleging the sexual abuse of a child. That report
launched an investigation that would uncover what prosecutors later described as a sexual pyramid scheme involving
dozens of victims and potentially hundreds of powerful men. By ' 06,
police had charged Epstein with unlawful sex acts with persons under the age of
consent. the Palm Beach uh county attorney or
state attorney for that jurisdiction. Oh, they go to grand jury. July 2006,
the FBI opens a federal investigation called Operation Leapyear.
An FBI document based on those investigations was
quoted as being powerful enough to have likely put Epstein behind bars for life. Life in prison. That's what the evidence
supported. And that's what they said years later in
New York in 2018 or 2019. Life in prison. That's what what was said in the
New York case. But instead, in 2007, Alex Aosta, US attorney in 2007, Alex
Aosta, later to become President Trump's labor secretary during the same term where Bill Bar, son
of the man who gave Jeffrey Epstein, college dropout, his first job at an elite academy in Manhattan,
he agreed to what can only be described as the most corrupt plea deal in modern American history. Alex Acasta
Epstein would plead guilty to two felony prostitution charges. The victims were
not notified of the agreement. All grand jury subpoenas were voided.
and email messages obtained by the Miami Herald
suggest that during the months of negotiations between Epstein's attorneys and Aosta's office, Aosta conceded
conceded conceded to Epstein's demands. And this brings questions right to Alex
Aosta's lap. Later on, the final deal was signed and sealed, so
nobody would even know the scope of the crimes. sealed. Epstein appeared in court, was sentenced
to only 18 months. He was allowed to serve that in a private wing of the Palm Beach County stockade. He had his own
security detail. He was permitted to work 6 days a week at his office. So,
he's just sleeping at the jail and I think he had weekends off. Think about that.
a man with evidence against him that could potentially put him away for life
got 18 months for the same evidence back in ' 07.
Better than that, he has to leave the jail every single day and then he gets released after only 13 months.
So when Alex Aost is later asked by the Trump team when he's getting his job in
the previous administration, the same administration where Bill Bar
worked, they ask him what the heck. How did you let the pedophile
off with 13 months in jail? Acasta says
he had been told that Jeffrey Epstein belonged to intelligence and to leave it alone.
Aosta is questioned about this later in 2019 when Epstein's dead. He will
neither confirm nor deny if Epstein was an intelligent asset. Intelligence asset. A United States attorney admitted
he gave a child trafficker a lenient sentence because intelligence agencies told him to back off. That's not
prosecutorial discretion or a plea bargain gone wrong. That's intelligence
interference in a federal child trafficking case.
The Epstein case represents what the people who like to take a weird step back and use phrases like the deep
state. Like to me, this is the merger of covert intelligence,
uh, finance, banks, tech business, and organized crime. It's
it's the it's designed for plausible deniability and it's the ultimate tool for
intelligence and assets are way better than agents. Cuz if your agents get busted, you're in
trouble. If your assets get busted, they're not going to run around telling
people they work for CIA or MSAD. And this network, we're talking about
key figures like Ehood Barack, former freaking Israeli prime minister
or president Maxwell Gizlane, the daughter of Robert Maxwell,
arguably one of the most prolific spies in Israel history.
Less Waxner is clearly aligned with
providing financial backing and cover for this operation.
It's alleged to be an Israeli spy ring so powerful that it influences former
and current US presidents, orchestrates coverups, and operates the world's
largest blackmail ring. It's like a massive unregistered
political party. There's dual there's citizens peppered
throughout our government and intelligence and it it's there's more
people who lead agencies for the United States government who have an Israeli passport than you can shake a stick at.
which general said during the Bush administration
that he would he would walk through in the Pentagon and there were just MSAD agents just walking around without name
tags during Bush presidency in when we're in Iraq.
That's wild. So this brings us to 2025 and the most
brazing cover up attempt in modern political history. After promising transparency on the
Epstein files during his campaign, Trump's administration has engaged in
uh turn on YouTube or an interview on TV. They're going to be describing it as the sloppiest political cover up in
modern history. Attorney General Pam Bondi went on Fox
in February and claimed all these files are on our desk right now to review. had
previously claimed there were thousands of videos.
Tie that with what we know about the history of the people that Epstein's been associated with since the 60s and
70s, the jobs he's gotten, who's hired him, and who his associates were.
You don't have to leap anywhere.
So there's Sunday night, couple weeks ago,
the Justice Department releases a memo and slinks away like cowards. Nobody signed it.
Says there's no client list, no blackmail operation, and no evidence of murder. Epstein died by suicide. Case
closed. No incriminating clients list.
Well, that's ridiculous. I don't need an incriminating client's list. I've seen
the flight logs. I've seen Epstein's black book. Anybody can if they care
enough to look. The unedited video released by DOJ had a
minute cut out. Doesn't show Epstein's cell door. Doesn't show a full view of his wing. It doesn't show full access to
his wing. You could get to his cell go from a different direction that that camera didn't cover at all. And they had
previously told us, didn't they, there's no video at all. System was turned off. So, I don't know, maybe they jerry this
up with some Google technology that we haven't seen yet that does AI videos. But, I mean,
doesn't look good, unedited. Everybody who's analyzed it says it was
it was rendered multiple times out of probably Adobe. And that's not RAW.
So there's people integral to the network who are never charged. Who got charged?
Gizlane. What about Sarah Kellen? Sarah Kell's been described as integral to the
operation. She was never charged with anything. Never questioned under oath.
The government confiscated boxes of tapes, DVDs, CDs, files.
Lots of evidence. We never saw much or any.
It's it's it's the ultimate gaslight. And most people haven't looked at all this stuff, but I mean, we've seen a
bunch of associations. And this little talk I'm giving you now is part one of like four. That's how many freaking
notes I have on this.
Oh, and the timing of that DOJ announcement was particularly interesting because it occurred the day
before Benjamin Netanyahu visited DC.
So, I don't know. We're going here about an hour. What are we looking at?
We've looked at how Epstein was trained in arms trafficking, money laundering by international dealers connected to
intelligence. uh how he built a financial empire and
financial connections committed fraud,
was not prosecuted. We've seen how he gained access to the highest levels of political and influential power
while trafficking children. If you're a bad enough person to traffic children and then you get access to the most
important people in the world, it almost seems like the natural progression would be to start blackmailing them. The guy's
already a complete posos.
Most disturbingly, we've seen how this operation was protected. Who can protect?
Intelligence can protect. Ask Alex Acasta. What he's going to say is I'm not going to confirm or deny anything.
But he previously said Epstein, he was told Epstein was intelligence and to leave it alone. This is
I'm doing my best not to dig into conspiracy and to present genuine relationships, genuine outcomes, and
that which is genuinely documented. Anybody who calls legitimate questions
about this conspiracy theories, they're using that label as a weapon to shut down conversation, investigation, and
accountability, or they're just too lazy to look and see.
The Epstein case represents something very much larger than one predator or one network. It's about the system and
power. In fact, it's this thing. We're just calling it
Jeffrey Epstein. And maybe that's by design, but it's this thing.
He just had the franchise for a while. Maybe Diddy had a franchise.
The next time we're going to examine the financial networks that funded this operation, the tech companies that may
have provided surveillance infrastructure, and the ongoing efforts to prevent accountability.
If you care to look, you'll see something is there.
Now, let me give credit again for the up teen time. Whitney Web, One Nation Under
Blackmail, volume one and two is awesome. There's a Miami Herald investigative series by hero journalist
Julie Brown. There's uh court documents from the Southern District of New York.
There's FBI documents uh via FOYA. There's a bunch of congressional
testimony and SEC records. Uh and frankly, there's a bunch of new news
analysis from the last month. So,
there's there's a lot

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pt2- Jeffrey Epstein's Private Aviation Network
NJ Criminal Podcast
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Next episode: • pt5 Jeffrey Epstein : Hiding in Israel - This conversation with #author Christopher Maag digs into the connections between Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein, and #Teterboro #airport , exploring the implications of #private #aviation in the context of the ongoing trial.

The discussion highlights the lack of regulation in private aviation, the testimonies from pilots, and the potential future of aviation security in light of these revelations.

takeaways

Teterboro Airport served as a hub for Epstein's operations.

Epstein's #wealth allowed him to utilize exclusive private aviation services.

The lack of regulation in private aviation raises concerns about security.

Testimonies from pilots reveal insights into Epstein's flights.

The trial may prompt discussions on aviation regulations.

Private aviation is often perceived as a privilege for the elite.

There is a need for more scrutiny in private aviation practices.

The balance between privacy rights and security is a complex issue.

Investigative journalism plays a crucial role in uncovering these stories.

Future legislation may arise from the findings of this trial.



Transcript

Since Ghislain Maxwell just got transferred and is likely to get either whacked or walk free, please enjoy this episode from December 2021.
Welcome back to New Jersey Criminal Podcast. Today is the end of the first week of the trial of United States of
America versus Galin Maxwell. Opening arguments began on Monday and the first
witness that the government called was pilot for Jeffrey Ebstein, Larry Vasi.
And we've heard testimony throughout the week. The one thing that I found very interesting was the connection to New
Jersey. And here today to talk to me about that connection is Enterprise reporter for the record and USA Today,
Christopher Moog. Christopher, welcome. Hi, Meg. Thanks for having me. Like many of us, um, I have been glued
to the news watching the development of the trial this week. The reporters are
allowed in the courtroom to a to some limited extent, but the trial can't be
recorded or rebroadcast. We are all relying on reading articles about the
reporters who are there and their observations. Uh, and I found it interesting that the first witness was
pilot. Now, the indictment, the superseding indictment against Galin
Maxwell, uh, charges eight counts. uh the first six of which involve
allegations that uh she and others uh trafficked minors or conspired to
traffic minors. Obviously, in order for the government to prove those charges, they have to prove that there was actual
trafficking or traveling. Uh and so one of the uh big topics throughout uh the
initial arrest of Jeffrey Ebstein uh at the Teeterborough airport in New Jersey
uh and a lot of articles since then have focused on uh his travels on his
infamous Boeing 727 commonly known now as the Lolita Express and other uh
aircraft. Um, and uh, you know, I was doing a little bit of research and I
came across your article uh, from 2019,
August of 2019, uh, where you describe the Teeter airport and how it really was the travel
hub of his se sex traffic ring. So, I I appreciate you joining me today to uh
give us a little bit of the background that you learned uh when you first wrote that article back in 2019 and and
anything that you've learned since then. Uh because it really does seem that this international travels by Epstein, uh
there's been uh testimony just this week about uh Bill Clinton, Kevin Spacy, Bill Gates, etc. uh a lot of it, a large
majority of it was uh them flying in and out of this airport in New Jersey. So,
why don't you tell us about it? Sure. Thank you for having me. So, I had uh I was I was similarly drawn to this
case. I'm not in my journalism typically drawn to celebrity cases like this, but
I found the facts of Jeffrey Epstein's alleged abuses and then his uh the way
that he largely escaped consequences for his first uh conviction in Florida on
many multiple charges of sex trafficking. Gripping and dark and awful. Uh, so when he was when Epstein
was arrested at Peterborough airport in the summer of 2019, I was actually out of the country. I was on a writing
fellowship up in Canada, literally on the side of a mountain in the Canadian Rockies. And um, so I was struck by, oh,
this I've read about this guy. He was arrested. He was arrested at Teterboro. the record newspaper where I'm based did
one or two short stories on that but didn't really you know it's a daily newspaper uh with uh people who are
operating under the gun of deadlines and so nobody had really the bandwidth to
think what a remarkable thing this is. Uh what occurred to me immediately is that um Epstein from what little I knew
at the outset liked to be a big deal. He had a lot of money and he liked to show that he has a
lot of money. And for people with those two qualities, Teterboro is an important
place. Uh to hanger a an airplane at Teterboro cost $60,000 a month if you
want to park it inside. And there's a long waiting list. and t and uh Epstein
just through a quick search I did while I was in my little cabin in the in the mountains he had at sometimes four
aircraft parked there some indoors some outdoors that's a lot of
by my math quarter of a million dollars a month and it wasn't all indoors and you know we had a sorski helicopter that was
outdoors and things and one was a small two propeller Gulfream uh plane so but at least one parked indoors I mean he
was he was spending a lot of money he could have parked these planes at Westchester County Airport um just a
little bit farther from his home on the Upper East Side. Uh and he could have paid a little more than half. As
context, I had already covered um I was a transportation reporter at the record before they gave me a column. So I knew
a bit, just barely enough to be dangerous on issues of regional transportation. Cedarboro Airport is
owned and operated by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. So that's that's why it resonated for me of like
a lot of people look at Tito and they think it's an airport for small planes in a swamp in New Jersey. That's not
untrue. But I knew enough that to know that in in this among uh the
international wealthy Peterborough has a different connotation there when you when you are Queen Latifah. I mean, for
example, Queen Latifah, Justin Bieber have their photos, Polaroids of them,
just inside the door of the subway uh sandwich shop at the end of the
Teeter runway because if you're about to get on a on a cross-country flight on your own plane, you need a sandwich.
One of the places people want to be seen. You want to be able to say that you flew through Teeter.
And for as humble as it looks, it really is a place for the rich and famous. Uh
when I got back from my from Canada, I started looking around and uh there had
been an earlier case in which Ms. Maxwell had been charged in Florida and
uh her many of the documents most of the documents from that case uh had been
sealed by court order and on appeal those those records were unsealed and
open to the public. So, um, I found them online, started going through them, and
I was immediately surprised by the volume of flights. These are all, I
should describe them. It's a PDF of originally handwritten documents. It's like a grid, like a spreadsheet,
uh, written by just one of Jeffrey Epstein's six pilots. This was David.
I found a copy of that online, and you referenced that in your August 2019
article. I had a question. Is that did he complete all of the logs or just the
logs for the flights that he was the pilot? Rogers that is because Epstein, just to be clear, Epstein had more than
one pilot. Uh again, first witness called by the government this week uh
was the Larry Vasi. Um you referenced just a minute ago, I believe the uh logs
written by David Rogers who was one of the other I think six total pilots. Yes.
So, each pilot keeps their own log. Um, so David Rogers, the these 103 pages, I
believe, of of sheets of of log sheets were just kept by one of Epstein's six
pilots. Um, the others didn't keep any logs. The others may or may not have had logs,
but uh they were not subject to the unsealing. Got it. By the Florida court.
Okay. So that indicate that's a hint of how often he was flying Epstein was
flying. Um just this this is presumably a small subset of the total number of
flights. Okay. Right. So then your article referencing like at least 730 flights to and from Teterboro between 95 and 2013.
It could be much much more than that. That's just one pilot of six. Got it. And the other thing that's in
that's maybe interesting to know or maybe important is that these are not FAA
required documents. The pilots don't have to keep these. The reason why uh David Rogers said he kept them is
because uh it is an important piece of information for maintenance of the
airplane and ensuring the airplane. You want to know how many hours the engines are up and running, roughly how many
miles it has flown. So it's it's kind of an internal document for the Epstein business operations to say when does it
need a new engine? The reason why that becomes important is because
the way that David Rogers kept these records changed pretty drastically. So they started in 1995 and Rogers is
writing down in most cases the full names of every person on board with some
important exceptions. A lot of the what appeared to be the younger women that were flying on the Boeing 727
uh were often just the initials. So some of those align with uh people
who say they were victimized by Epstein. Uh some of them don't, but we just have the initials to go on. So after Epstein
was charged in 2007 uh on sex trafficking, uh Rogers changed
the way he wrote his notes. he stopped putting anyone's full name on. It became either just a hashmark for a number of
people on the plane or um people's initials. So, it became a lot more anonymous and we don't have any indication at this
point whether he did that of his own accord or whether he was directed to do that. I'm sure if he's called to testify, we will find out.
I find it interesting that this otherwise humble place is this symbol for the international elite. That's that
is a major reason one would assume why Epstein chose it to be the focus of his
operations. I also should say that there's not a complete ven diagram
overlap here. Well, the same document that you and I have both looked at. Um, Donald Trump flew on at least one
flight. Uh, Bill Clinton flew on, I believe, three flights, but it's been a little while since I looked.
None of them went through Teeter, so I can't I didn't look at them. you were focusing there.
Well, I mean, it seems to me that Teterboro when when Epste was arrested,
he was coming into Teeterborough, right? Son, he was arrested. He was flying in from Paris. So, the flights going in and
out of Teterboro were all over the country and all over the world. It wasn't as though Teeter just traveled to
the Palm Beach residence or the Santa Fe residence. So it was yeah it was his basis for flights to
Paris to Aspen, Colorado to London. Is that the So we're assuming or do we know for sure that the Teeter airport is
the airport that he would always fly along with Maxwell when she flew with him uh anytime they were leaving or
coming into the Manhattan residence. I can't say with 100% certainty. They did occasionally fly to Westchester,
usually when Bill Clinton was on the plane. Okay. uh and a couple of occasions they flew
to Newark. I don't know why, but yeah, it is definitely safe to say that uh for his
new for Epstein's New York home, uh Teter Bro was the was the base.
Since you wrote the article in August of 19, um did you continue
uh your research or um investigation regarding uh the connection to Teeter?
Is there anything that you learned after you wrote the article in in 2019 that
you uh felt was worthy of uh either continued uh analysis or continued
articles? Yes. So we did uh I teamed up with two other reporters from the record uh
Abbott Koloff and Gene Rimbaugh who are amazing investigative journalists and we
we wrote one more story about Teeter and the focus of that story was to talk about this world of it's the world of
private aviation not all of which is for the elite I mean this can be um crop
dusters uh taking off from grass airports uh it can be dentists with a
little plane Um, a small subset of this private aviation world are rich people like
Jeffrey Epstein. And the same rules apply to all of them for the same reason, which is uh you and
I are used to getting onto a United flight at pick a major national international airport and we have to go
through the TSA screening and our bags are checked. Uh, in private aviation, none of that applies. Uh, nobody's
checking your bags. Nobody's checking the people on the plane. Um and the reasoning for that both from the FAA
agrees with uh the private aviation industry on the argument that owning a plane is
like owning a car. We would never suggest that state police should uh
check our bags and our cars before we take our cars out of the garage. Along
that same principle, it's a private plane. You own it. You get to take whatever you want. And if through other
means we find you are fing or trafficking drugs or underage girls, then we have other means to find that
and prosecute that. But that's that private aviation is not the primary lens
through which we do enforcement of those problems. So arguably a privacy interest. Yeah. that that they I think because
people get a little annoyed at the privileges and power of the rich when
you look at what is actually happening at a place like Teterboro or the Palm
Beach airport where he flew where Epstein flew often um these are not the
airport experiences that 99% of Americans have um the focus of
operations at Teter are five what are called fixed base operations and um they
have a long history in in aviation because they actually predated the creation of airports. They predated the
word airport and it just meant here's a place where you can refuel your plane uh and get ready for your flight. They have
evolved into reasonably opulent uh way stations, lounges for the rich as
their planes are fueled and serviced and ready to go and their and their crews assemble. So, uh, I and a photographer
snuck into the one, the fixed base operation that Epstein used. It's a nice corporate airport lounge,
you know, with massaging seats for the PL, you know, pilots. Uh, they have bunks for pilots who need to sleep
there. Not an amazing restaurant, but a little restaurant in there. They have uh leather seats for people to sit in. As
nice as it can be when you're still looking at planes and getting blasted by jet fuel, right? Uh and it's that's part of the
expense of using a place like Tita bro. These flights that were taken uh by
Epstein, Maxwell and others uh began before 9/11 and and extended after 9/11
2001. Are you aware if any uh rules changed from the perspective of the FAA
um post 911 with regard to uh these private planes? You indicated at the
beginning of our conversation that the logs that you reviewed by Rogers, one of
the six pilots, were not required. Um, that that surprises me to to hear that
the FAA still wouldn't require some sort of reporting requirements or knowledge
of, you know, private planes flying all over the country or the world. Yeah. No, I mean, it's really just uh
you need to file a flight plan. That's it. Do you know if any of those flight plans have been reviewed by the
government or have come into uh review? No, I I don't know.
It it will be interesting and I'm I'm I'm not sure if uh either the government
or the um you know defense intend to call any of the other pilots. Um, I did
review an account of the direct testimony of Larry Vasoski on Monday and
Tuesday and the cross-examination. And it sounded to me like the defense
were uh pointing to um what what you said a minute ago about the use of
initials of the folks that were on the plane to suggest that perhaps you know
um for example my initials MH. There could be somebody else with those initials and that doesn't necessarily
mean that I was on that flight. That kind of a thing. Um right. Not that I've ever been on a private plane, but
yeah, one of the interesting things there is that uh MH had her own plane,
right? It wasn't the big 727. It was usually part part of the time it was a Sorski
helicopter and part of the time it was a twin prop plane uh with vanity license
with GM. Yeah, I don't have a private plane as far as I know. It's a uh vanity license plate in the aviation world if you can pay extra to
have your initials as part of your tail number. Right. In fact, didn't the uh the Boeing 727, the Lolita Express, didn't it end
in J? Yes. Uhhuh. Right. And there was a plane, sorry. Was there
was a there was always a plane at Teterboro with GM for Maxwell.
I think so, so she had her own private plane at Tetboro airport. If she owned it or not is unclear, but
it appears that it was named for her. Another thing that I should mention, I maybe I haven't uh nailed this down
specifically, the the real issue when you're looking at this case for
Jeffrey Epstein is because it's private private aviation, there are no rules for
obscurity really. uh if you're coming in from uh as he was on his final plane uh
final flight uh from Paris, if you're flying internationally, the TSA is allowed to meet you at your destination
and and check your bags, you know, to make sure you're not bringing in any illegal goods. Domestic flights, there
are there is no authority. There's no structure for that. But there is an
informal piece to it. Um I believe it was Vanity Fair magazine interviewed people at the
St. Thomas airport, which is close to the island Little St. James that uh
Jeffrey Epstein owned. Uh just a short little boat ride away. They reported to
to again I think it was Vanity Fair seeing Epstein landing and leaving in
the company of many young underage women and getting their noses bent out of
shape, thinking that's not right. You shouldn't be doing that. you're old enough to be their father or their
grandfather. This is not like landing at Teterboro is not landing at a crop tester airport. There are people there.
And if there were people who noticed this strange looking group at St.
Thomas, it stands to reason that there would have been people working at Teterboro
who noticed the same thing. Yeah. And just as an aside, the flight would would fly direct, correct, from
Teterboro to St. Thomas. Yes. Mhm.
That's interesting whether or not there would be any witnesses to um the you know boarding of these folks
on the on the plane. Yeah. And the Port Authority told us that they offer trainings. They they run
trainings for workers. And one part of that training is to instruct workers that if you see anything suspicious uh
uh to indicate drug trafficking or human trafficking, here are the avenues to report that. Um
do we know whether there's any surveillance at Teterboro? I know that there are private security cameras at each of these fixed base
operations. Port Authority uh has its own police force uh and they patrol the
perimeter. Um, police also help with them at the perimeter and then TSA has
authority to come on site and the FBI anytime they want. It's definitely nothing as intensive as you might see at
Newark airport. One of the things that Vasi testified about on uh I think it
was Tuesday was that one of the things that he did was pick up luggage and put
luggage on the on the plane and um do a number of other things around the the
home of Epstein, including hooking up, you know, audio equipment, etc. It
would, you know, it seems odd that a pilot would be carrying luggage onto a plane. But of course, I guess if you're
also transporting underage females that the less people that see and know who's
coming on and off, the better. I interviewed a number of pilots uh who are, you know, among the elite
for this private ed private aviation world. uh you know whose clients own a
Gulfream 5 or Gulfream 7 jet uh 50 million $70 million jet in that world.
What these pilots told me is that the client dictates everything every aspect
of your working life is is determined by the whims and and taste of the client.
Uh some told me that uh they were hired through, you know, a chief of staff to a
rich client, never met or saw the rich client. They were told when to be in the cockpit. They were in the cockpit at
that time. The door was always closed. And the client preferred no contact and
maximal privacy. Other pilots told me, oh, actually, no, I'll take that back. the same pilot told me he had a
different client um who liked to fly to Las Vegas and would ask the pilots and
and a flight, you know, one or two flight attendants to join the client as
they rolled around like big spenders in Las Vegas because he wanted to have a big entourage and would be generally included in the
client's social world, you know, at a kind of a junior level, run the gamut. So
yeah, the the client can save, you know, for whatever reason. Uh
you can load baggage or keep away for the baggage. We have other people to do that. Um yeah, it's up to the client,
right? And I think Vasi also had testified. Again, I'm I'm relying on uh
what I have read by other reporters, but or or listened to by other reporters, but it's my understanding that Vasi had
testified, you know, that the the cockpit door was closed. Uh, of course
on on cross-examination, uh, it was brought out that, um, you know, he was never told he couldn't come
out. Um, on the other hand, he also testified that he was, you know, close
with Ebstein, that Ebstein, I think, paid for his daughter's, uh, both of his daughter's college education,
uh, etc. And then um on redirect the A USA uh Jim Comey's daughter was was
handling him as a witness uh said, "Well, you know, did did your daughters ever give him a massage?" And he said,
"Absolutely not." Right? So, it sounds as though the government was um you
know, attempting to portray Visasi, again, one of six of his pilots um as as
as being someone who was close with Ebstein, who did a lot for him, more than just what a pilot would do, but
went on the plane, stayed in the cockpit, didn't come out. The defense was attempting to um show that he he
certainly wasn't told to stay in the cockpit. and again was close with Ebstein um but but never saw or
witnessed anything uh on on the plane at least when he piloted it. Um I am
interested to see if any other um pilots testified. And it would be interesting to see if specifically if Rogers
testified um because as as we've discussed, we've seen his his logs um
and he may or may not be able to shed light on the individuals who those initials were to him and you know why it
was that he after Epstein was first arrested uh changed his quote unquote
reporting style to not include certain uh initials. Right. Um, so it and and
again at the end of the day it it all centers around the majority uh at least according to Rogers uh flight records,
the majority of the flights came in and out of Teterboro right here in New
Jersey. Yeah. And I think that's uh at first I wasn't necessarily believing testimony
from Rogers from the first trial in Florida. The 727 is a big plane, but a lot of these Gulf Streams are pretty
small. And I was thinking, you have to know who's on the plane if you're the pilot, right? And my uh pilot contact said,
"Sometimes, sometimes not. If you're in in the cockpit, there is often at least
two doors between you and the client." So there you've got obviously the
cockpit door, but then there's kind of there's often a little service area uh where you might have a crew sleeping
station uh big enough for a bed to just barely lie flat, a bathroom, a kitchen
um that is both used by crews during long flights and to prepare meals and drinks for the client. So you've got at
least two doors. On Epstein's 727, there were multiple compartments going back,
including this living room area with this doughnut shaped couch we've learned from uh this trial. So, that makes me
less incredulous. Uh I'm really curious to see how the testimony goes in this
trial because it actually is possible for all of this to be happening and the
pilot to genuinely not know andor to say, "I don't want to know. I'd rather
not know. Right. Do you think that the spotlight that has been put upon uh these private
aircrafts and these airports, you know, such as Teeterborough uh might change a
either the perception of folks that use these airports? Um, you know, you
started by saying this is uh kind of the rich and the famous and people want to be seen there to something that is
nefarious and and or do you think that it could ultimately change federal
rules, FAA rules, rules regarding um security, etc. What do you think? After
we published our story, um, two congressmen from, uh, North Jersey was,
uh, Representative Josh Gottheimr of Wyoff and Bill Pascal of Patterson, um,
introduced legislation to study this issue to say that, you know, there are less stringent security regulations and
staff training at Teterboro and similar facilities. And the TSA,
the legislation authorized a study. It didn't authorize any kind of fix to say
the TSA needs to study this and see if there are security threats or law
enforcement threats because of this private aviation network and report back to Congress on what they find. We were
happy to have any kind of you know official response to in which members of
Congress were agreeing that this seems strange that we have this large network that operates completely on its own with
very limited regulation. Nothing has come of that process. Uh so maybe this
trial and especially the fact that it opens the trial opens with um establishing testimony from one of
Epste's pilots. Maybe this brings more uh people talking about this issue, but
I wouldn't be surprised if nothing happens because I think a lot of people
uh both legislators and regular Americans would agree with industry to say, "Well, do you want cops checking
your trunk every time you go for a drive?" Well, that's my plane. Hands off my plane.
Yeah. Well, that's a pretty good argument. And uh I haven't heard of anybody at le nobody
from TSA or even people who have pointed out that this is an issue. Nobody has really pointed out a way to increase
security at facilities like Teterboro without infringing on that basic
assumption of privacy. Fascinating. Yeah. That that balance between privacy rights and the
government's interest in protecting people. That's going to be I think that's going to be a question that as it
relates to uh private airlines, private airports, uh private jets is we haven't
heard the last of it. I think you're absolutely right. Yeah. Thank you so much for joining me, Chris.
Thank you. It'll be interesting. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see uh what else we hear.
if if Teterboro gets named specifically throughout the trial, um if anything
develops, I'd love to have you come back. Um and I'd love to come back. I I thank you for taking your time this
afternoon uh to shed light into uh these details that you uh reported on over two
years ago. Yeah. Thank you, Me. I really appreciate it and let's keep in touch.
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The Mysterious Death of Robert Maxwell

Well, sadly, but not surprisingly, the original version of this episode has been censored by YouTube. Uh, they said it had themes of selfharm, so I deleted the better part of one word and we're reposting it. Welcome to the New Jersey Criminal Podcast.

November 5th, 1991. The Atlantic Ocean off the Canary Islands. The naked body of Robert Maxwell floats in the dark waters beside his yacht. The Lady Ghislaine, the media baron who built an empire on lies, who served multiple masters and intelligence, had met his end. But death, as we've learned, often it's just the changing of the guard. Eight days later at Mount of Olives in Jerusalem, Israeli Prime Minister Yitzak Shamir delivers Maxwell's eulogy to a congregation that reads like a who's who of Israeli intelligence. Six service heads, politicians, spies, all gathered to honor the man who did more for Israel than we can explain today. And that's a quote. What they couldn't explain then was how Maxwell's death would birth something far more sinister. How his daughter Ghislaine would carry forward his methods. How a mysterious finance year named Jeffrey Epstein, already lurking in Maxwell's London offices throughout the 1980s, would perfect the art of blackmail that Robert Maxwell had pioneered.

Welcome back to the New Jersey Criminal Podcast. I'm Tom, the producer. In what is already a three episode series, we'll be exploring the Maxwell Dynasty, a family that turned sexual blackmail into a science. We can look at how Israeli intelligence allegedly manipulated American presidents with a specific example. And we're uncovering financial networks so complex that they make the tower's financial Ponzi scheme look like a lemonade stand. So, buckle up. Uh what you're about to hear isn't just the story of Epstein. It's the story of how a small Middle Eastern nation allegedly holds the puppet strings of American power and how those strings got tangled in phone sex recordings of a president and an intern.

Robert Maxwell: The Prototype for Jeffrey Epstein

Before Jeffrey Epstein was Jeffrey Epstein, there was Robert Maxwell. And before Robert Maxwell was Robert Maxwell, he was Ján Ludvík Hyman Binyamin Hoch, born 1923 in what is now Ukraine. The parallels between Robert Maxwell and Epstein aren't just striking, they're instructive. Both men were chameleons. Both built their fortunes on other people's money. Both served Israeli intelligence at the bare minimum, among other state agencies, and both allegedly used sexual blackmail as their primary weapon.

Now the primary connection through Maxwell is Israeli military intelligence. Hence him being buried with military honors not having been in the military. So Maxwell comes before Epstein. He's the prototype, the proof of concept if you will. And the picture of Maxwell's true nature is drawn from declassified British intelligence files, and in the testimony of former Israeli operatives. He used more aliases than a cold war spy. John Ludvik, Jan Ludvik, Ivan Leslie du Maurier, Leslie Jones. He didn't settle on Robert Maxwell until he married Elisabeth Meynard in Paris on March 14th in 1945. So even this guy's identity was borrowed.

At 12 years old, he joined the Betar Movement, a Jewish Zionist organization. This wasn't summer camp. This was ideological training and the recruitment for a future asset. The establishment media really, they don't touch Maxwell, but those who wade into those waters want you to believe Maxwell was a legitimate businessman who might have had some intelligence connections. But according to declassified documents and insider testimony, it's exactly the opposite. He was an intelligence operation, masquerading as a businessman.

In 51, Maxwell took control of a German publishing house, Butterworth Springer, renaming it Pergamon Press. The mainstream media portrays this as a shrewd business acumen. But according to the sources we've reviewed, this wasn't Maxwell's deal at all. It was an MI6 intelligence operation funded by Sir Charles Hambro, director of the Bank of England and former head of special operations during World War II. Maxwell wasn't the buyer. He was the front man, the cutout, the face they put on a British intelligence operation to acquire scientific journals that had been published under the Third Reich.

Intelligence Operations and Blackmail

It gets a little more interesting. In 54, Maxwell is sent to Russia to publish and translate Russian scientific articles. British Foreign Office files made public in 2003 confirmed what intelligence agencies suspected all along, which was that Maxwell was funded by Russia and working for the KGB. Think about this. The same man who's working for a little bit for British MI6, Russian KGB, Israeli intelligence, likely a little bit of CIA simultaneously. The KGB did later acknowledge Maxwell as he a high up Soviet agent, although they did question his loyalty. Fair enough. Because Maxwell's true allegiance wasn't to Britain or Russia, it was to Israel.

As early as 48, Maxwell played a major role in arming Zionist paramilitaries. He helped smuggle aircraft parts for Israel through the anti-Stalinist Czechoslovakian government. He didn't just support Israel's creation. He was one of the engineers of logistics. Victor Ostrovsky, the notorious MOSSAD defector who wrote by way of deception, confirmed Maxwell's deep MOSSAD ties. British intelligence agencies eventually described Maxwell as a Zionist that was loyal only to Israel and a prominent MOSSAD agent. That doesn't mean he didn't dabble with other intelligence agencies and he certainly had properties in other countries.

At this point, Maxwell's story becomes a template for Epstein. According to Ostrosvky and other sources, Israeli intelligence services satisfied Robert Maxwell's sexual appetite by supplying him with prostitutes. This wasn't just a perk of the job. It was leverage. Maxwell's hotel rooms were rigged with cameras, and Israeli intelligence acquired a small library of video footage of Maxwell in sexually compromising situations. So they weren't rewarding their asset. They were controlling him with blackmail.

Meanwhile, Maxwell's media empire became a vehicle for intelligence operations. In 1989, he partnered with the Soviets to take over pharmaceutical company teva. He acquired ownership of the Jerusalem Post, adding to his control of right-wing Daily Mirror publications. But the real money came from a darker source. According again to Victor Ostrovsky, this is a quote, "The MOSSAD financed many of its operations in Europe with money that was stolen from Maxwell's newspapers pension fund."

The Connection Between Maxwell and Epstein

Ostrovsky claims that MOSSAD gave the money to go ahead and buy the Mirror Group Publishing, and the moment they he got it, they took over all of the pension fund money. Weeks after Maxwell's death, authorities discovered a $560 million hole in the Mirror's pension fund.

Ostrovsky's allegations allegedly confirm Maxwell's most infamous betrayal involved Israeli nuclear technician Mordechai Vanunu who exposed Israel's secret demon nuclear facilities to the world. So that's Vanunu and Dimona. Vanunu took his information to Maxwell's Mirror publications trusting the media baron to help him expose the truth. Instead, Maxwell called the Israelis. Vanunu was lured to Italy, drugged, abducted, secretly transported to Israel, and spent 18 years in prison, including over 11 years in solitary confinement. That's a playbook. Gain trust, exploit secrets, betray those who trust you, serve your handlers above all else.

By the 1980s, according to former MOSSAD agent, who we've previously mentioned in this series, Ari Ben-Menashe, Maxwell was brokering deals between the MOSSAD and the KGB that allowed Israelis to hide money from arm sales to Iran. This is part of the Iran Contra affair, but not the way you learned about it in school. The official story says America shipped arms to Iran to secure hostage releases. But according to Ben-Menashe, it was actually a deal for Israel to arm and train militants in Nicaragua with the cash laundered through Russia via Maxwell's networks.

And here's the key detail to this story. Throughout the 1980s, while Maxwell was orchestrating these international intelligence operations, a young financier named Jeffrey Epstein was a regular to Maxwell's London offices. And we covered this. The one thing Epstein was good at, and it was probably 70% of his operation versus the smaller percentage of the weird gross sex trafficking stuff with underage girls, was doing all sorts of illegal money laundering and hiding money. And that was what he was good at. If half 80% of the people in his damn black book are probably people who committed financial crimes, not sex crimes. [LC: It can be both.] You notice nobody in the media talks about that.

The mainstream media wants you to believe Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell met in the 1990s after Max Robert Maxwell's death. But again, Ari Ben-Menashe tells a Political Manipulation and Blackmail Techniques different story. He claims to have had several meetings with Jeffrey Epstein in Robert Maxwell's office all throughout the 80s, a full decade before the official narrative. Ari Ben-Menashe was explicit. Both Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell quote were agents for Israel unquote.

On November 5th, 1991, Robert Maxwell's body is found floating in the Atlantic. Investigative journalists Gordon Thomas and Martin Dylan alleged that Maxwell quote sealed his fate when he threatened Israeli intelligence leadership to disclose their operations unless they help save his media empire. [LC: That could never happen.] The MOSSAD leadership or Israeli military intelligence reportedly ordered his assassination 3 months later. But here's a detail that should pique your interest. Samuel Piser, Robert Maxwell's lawyer and business representative in France, later held the exact same position for Jeffrey Epstein. So the operation didn't die with Maxwell. It just found new management. And I would argue Ghislaine is still chairman of the board because Ghislaine is at this point the connection between Epstein and intelligence, the go-between. Remember where her father was buried? He's one of the great spy heroes of the land. But maybe a lady isn't, and I use that term loosely, maybe a female isn't the right face for this type of operation. There goes Jeffrey Epstein as candidate number one. So maybe that's how it looked.

So let's jump to February 1997. The Oval Office. President Bill Clinton sits across from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. What Clinton doesn't know is that Israeli intelligence has been listening to his most intimate conversations. And what happens next allegedly becomes one of the most brazen acts of blackmail in presidential history. The Clinton Netanyahu Lewinsky affair isn't just a political scandal. It's a masterclass in how foreign intelligence services allegedly manipulate American presidents and it's a preview of the techniques that Jeffrey Epstein would allegedly perfect.

The Clinton-Lewinsky Affair: A Case Study

So let me walk you through what allegedly happened. According to Daniel Halper's book, and I want to say Halper's book is like a decade old, but all of a sudden some of the things in it are rising to the surface in in some media corners. And this is corroborated by other sources.

By early 97, the Clinton Lewinsky affair was the worst kept secret in elite Washington. Linda Tripp knew, George Conway knew, Anne Coulter knew, Brett Kavanaugh knew, Ken Starr knew, Paula Jones's lawyers knew. If Washington insiders knew, foreign intelligence services definitely knew, and Monica Lewinsky's phone line, unlike the White House, was way easy to tap.

Shortly after Clinton's February 97 meeting with Netanyahu, Clinton's Secretary Betty Curry invited Lewinsky to an Oval Office meeting. Clinton told her he had something important to tell her. And during what would be their final sexual encounter, maybe not during, I'm assuming maybe after or before that part, Clinton told Lewinsky that a quote foreign embassy had tapped his phone and recorded their conversations. He didn't specify which, but the timing immediately after his meeting with Netanyahu, maybe it was Netanyahu. Clinton even suggested a cover story. If confronted with the tapes, they should claim they knew they were under surveillance and the phone sex was just a put on for whoever was listening, which is a great cover story. Let's pretend now I won't waste time on it. So, the president of the United States was allegedly so concerned about foreign surveillance that he developed a cover story for his phone sex conversations.

Fast forward to fall 1998, the White River Summit in Maryland. Clinton is hosting Netanyahu and Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat for crucial Middle East peace negotiations. At 7 a.m., after grueling all night negotiations, Netanyahu approaches Clinton privately. He demands the release of convicted Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard. And so this is where the alleged blackmail happens. Netanyahu doesn't make explicit threats. He doesn't say, "Release Pollard or I'll expose the tapes." And that would be amateurish. Instead, Netanyahu allegedly tells Clinton, "The Israeli government has thrown those tapes away." It sounds innocent, but context is everything. Netanyahu is making it clear he knows about the tapes.

The Role of Epstein in Political Espionage

He's letting Clinton know they exist or existed and could theoretically exist. Again, it's bringing that up at that time speaks more than any part of the exchange.

And that's the same technique that Epstein allegedly used with Bill Gates years later. Allegedly. Allegedly. Epstein didn't directly threaten Gates. Well, no, we've seen this email. He did send an email about Gates affair with a professional poker player asking for some type of like charitable donation, maybe for a scholarship, quote unquote. And the message wasn't pay me or I'll I'll expose you. It was, "I know about this thing," and that's all you need to say.

Some interesting bits here. WSJ is doing great reporting on Epstein of late. Jeffrey Epstein discovered that Bill Gates had an affair with a Russian bridge player and later appeared to use his knowledge to threaten one of the world’s richest men, according to people familiar with the matter. The Microsoft co-founder met the woman around 2010, when she was in her 20s. Epstein met her in 2013 and later paid for her to attend software coding school. In 2017, Epstein emailed Gates and asked to be reimbursed for the cost of the course, according to the people familiar with the matter. Interestingly the woman (Mila Antonova) and Gates apparently met at a bridge tournament. That just seems so... ordinary. And then years later, Epstein provided her with funding for her coding school and an apartment, and turned around to ask Gates to be refunded for it. At the time, Epstein was trying to set up a multibillion-dollar charitable fund with JPMorgan that would potentially pool money from some of the world’s wealthiest people. Epstein proposed that JPMorgan set up the fund with a minimum $100 million contribution per individual and pay him millions of dollars in fees, the documents show. In addition to the fees, the disgraced financier saw the fund as a way to rehabilitate his reputation, according to people he told of his thinking. It hinged on securing support from Gates, the documents show.

On Oct. 2, [Epstein] sent another email to Staley and Erdoes criticizing a presentation that JPMorgan had prepared on the project. “the presentation , is not tailored to bill.. He is the only person , the only one, that counts.” Seems like he used carrot and stick: trying to convince people to get billionaires what they wanted by connecting them with people he thought could do that for them, and when that failed, blackmailing them:

While he was working on the charitable fund, Epstein met in 2013 with Gates and Norwegian officials who were visitors to Epstein’s townhouse. Epstein told one former Gates Foundation employee that he knew the Norwegians, and could help Gates win a Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts to eradicate polio. When the carrot method didn't work, he tried the stick:

In 2017, Epstein contacted Gates about the Russian bridge player, years after the relationship had ended, according to people familiar with the matter. He sent an email to Gates asking to be reimbursed for the costs of Antonova’s coding school, the people said. The sum was immaterial for the two men and the tone of the message was that Epstein knew about the affair and could expose it, the people said. It doesn't seem he succeeded in actually getting the funding he wanted from Gates, but this part may be the most interesting scoop from the whole article: Days before he died in 2019, Epstein changed his will and named Nikolic as a backup executor. Nikolic said Epstein didn’t discuss the idea with him beforehand, and that he subsequently declined to serve. “He couldn’t have listed Bill because that would have been too obvious, so he chose me,” he said. “I have come to believe it was likely a retaliatory move against Bill Gates.” If Epstein's intent was revenge on Gates by dragging his name through the mud by dint of his association with Epstein, he succeeded. Gates' divorce was initiated right after this info became public and his meeting with Epstein was cited as the major motivator for the divorce, because Melinda Gates' charitable work focuses a lot on women's empowerment and she didn't want her name associated with Epstein. Of course, Nikolic may have been closer to Epstein than he will now admit.[/size][/b]

[url]-- Bill gates email affair with poker player, by Google AI[/url]

CIA chief George Tenet understood exactly what was happening. He told Clinton he would resign on the spot if Clinton agreed to Pollard's release. The CIA had a bipartisan commitment to keeping Pollard behind bars for his espionage against the US. Clinton agreed to review Pollard's case, but didn't release him. Pollard was eventually freed in 2015 under Barack Obama. On the last day of his first term, Trump pardoned Pollard's handler. Today, Pollard is an outspoken supporter of extremist Israeli National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir and has called for the quote full ethnic cleansing of Gaza unquote.

Now, you might ask, why would this blackmail be effective in fall 98 when the Lewinsky affair was already public? Clinton had admitted to the affair in grand jury testimony in August 98. What most people don't understand, the tapes themselves were never public. Clinton admitted to inappropriate intimate physical contact with Lewinsky. He never admitted to recorded phone sex or God knows what kind of embarrassing filth that is in them. The existence of actual recordings that can be transcribed and put into Time magazine, especially in foreign hands, represents a quantum leap in his vulnerability. And the fact that Halper's book casually just inserted this allegation into the narrative, associated with testimony that Lewinsky herself gave to the Ken Starr investigation. And nobody challenged it. Clinton didn't jump up and down. Nobody yelled and screamed. [/b][/size]

The Media's Complicity and Staged Narratives

It seems like perhaps there is credibility to it. The alleged Netanyahu blackmail operation would be crucial to understanding the Epstein story because it demonstrates the exact same methodology. Surveillance of American officials, collection of compromising material, subtle leverage rather than explicit threats, and service to Israeli intelligence objectives among others. But again, this all goes back to the fruit of the Robert Maxwell tree, super spy. So according to all the sources we reviewed, the same networks that allegedly enabled Netanyahu's gambit with Clinton also created, funded, and protected Epstein's operations. 1

980s London, Robert Maxwell's office. According to former MOSSAD operative Ari Ben-Menashe, Jeffrey Epstein is a regular presence here, often arriving, quote, between trips to and from Israel. This isn't the Epstein of popular imagination, the mysterious financier who appeared from nowhere. This is Epstein, the student learning the craft from the master, turning into one of the most effective blackmail operators in modern history. And Ari Ben-Menashe's account directly contradicts the mainstream account. Ari Ben-Menashe's account directly contradicts the mainstream narrative.

The media wants you to believe Epstein met Ghislaine Maxwell in the 90s after Robert Maxwell's death. Ari Ben-Menashe claims he had several meetings with Epstein in the office throughout the 80s. Maxwell allegedly wanted us quote unquote to accept Epstein as part of the group. That's not social networking. That's integration into the business. Ari Ben-Menashe, Maxwell, and Nick Davies, foreign editor of Maxwell's Daily Mirror, were allegedly involved in the transfer and sale of military equipment and weapons from Israel to Iran on behalf of Israeli intelligence during this same time period. Maxwell wanted to involve Epstein in these arms transfers. Although Ari Ben-Menashe claims Epstein wasn't competent, and wasn't accepted by his group, Epstein did manage to develop close ties with several arms dealers in the 80s, including Sir Douglas Lease, who we mentioned, Adnan Khashoggi and Lease was a British arms dealer who again according to sworn testimony from Steven Hoffenberg, allegedly trained Epstein in arms trafficking and money laundering.

The Legacy of Robert Maxwell's Network

So the connections are consistent. Multiple sources, multiple testimonies, all pointing to the same conclusion. Epstein was being trained by established intelligence assets throughout the 80s. Ghislaine Maxwell was also being trained, including Sir Douglas Lease, who we mentioned. Adnan Khashoggi and Lease was a British arms dealer who again, according to sworn testimony from Steven Hoffenberg, allegedly trained Epstein in arms trafficking and money laundering.

Ari Ben-Menashe asserted Ghislaine accompanied her father so frequently that she was involved in his intelligence related activities to some extent. And think about this. While other young women her age were attending university or starting careers, Ghislaine Maxwell was allegedly learning intelligence tradecraft from Israel's most important assets.

Again, back to Hoffenberg testimony, who partnered with Epstein in the tower's financial Ponzi scheme, he later claimed that Epstein boasted of his ties to Israeli intelligence services. Crucially, Hoffenberg stated it was Ghislaine Maxwell who had made the introduction. Even after Robert Maxwell's death in 1991, the networks remained intact. Finnberg maintained ties with the Epstein Maxwell connected networks using quote the same lawyers that Robert Maxwell had used to take over the New York Daily News. When Hoffenberg later tried to buy the New York Post, the operation was way bigger than any one person. It was an infrastructure at this point, a system, a network designed to survive the death or imprisonment of any individual component.

Here's something that is a little terrifying. According to documents that are public, Epstein visited the Clinton White House 17 times between 93 and 95, often accompanied by attractive young women. These are the questions that won't be asked if Bill and Hillary Clinton answer a subpoena to Congress next week that's been sent out. This is where Congress isn't going to go, because those probably weren't social calls.

Epstein had a dramatically underreported relationship with the Clinton White House that pointed towards a major scandal of the Clinton era that has not been revealed or investigated. Many of these meetings, which we covered a couple episodes ago, were with Mark Middleton, who later died under the most ridiculously suspicious circumstances in May 2022. All right, I'll say it. He allegedly hung himself, and then shot himself twice in the chest with a shotgun. Middleton was probably embroiled in foreign espionage activities related to quote illegal fundraising efforts for Bill Clinton's 96 re-election campaign. One of Epstein's 1990s girlfriends, Francis Jardine, who lived in Epstein controlled apartments that used to house underage girls, accompanied him at two at least one of his visits to the Clinton White House. So Jeffrey Epstein is bringing young women, potentially underage women, into the White House while allegedly operating a sexual blackmail network for Israeli intelligence.

The Ongoing Epstein Story and Future Implications

Epstein also attended a political fundraiser for Bill Clinton's 1996 re-election campaign hosted by financier Ron Pearlman who's not, at this point, just connected to power, he's helping finance it. And in April 1995, Epstein's close friend Lynn Forester ,later to become a Rothschild, wrote to President Bill Clinton, using her 15 seconds of access, to discuss Jeffrey Epstein and currency stabilization. "I neglected to talk to you about a topic near and dear to my heart. Currency stabilization," in the same conversation as Jeffrey Epstein being discussed with the president of the United States.

What kind of currency stabilization, like what is his expertise? He didn't graduate from college still. The picture that emerges from these documents, and these are White House foyer releases, it's not just Jeffrey Epstein as a lone predator. It's a Epstein as a potentially sophisticated intelligence asset trained by Robert Maxwell's network, deployed against American political figures, and granted extraordinary access to the highest levels of power. Ari Ben-Menashe was explicit about the mission, saying Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell quote found a niche for themselves blackmailing American and other political figures for the Israelis unquote. He elaborated, quoting again, it's hard for people to understand why Israel would want to get blackmail on American leaders. Israel is blackmailing their leaders in the United States. It was quite a thing. Quite a thing indeed. The systematic compromise of American leadership by a foreign intelligence service using sexual blackmail as a primary weapon. And becoming its most successful graduate. And he's got the entree conversation with all these powerful people and with the reputation where he's known to be really good at money laundering, and hiding money and tax evasion.

Jeffrey Epstein, the perfect student of Robert Maxwell's Academy of Blackmail

So now, August 15th, 2019, 5 days after Epstein's alleged suicide, The New York Post runs a cover story with the headline, The Post finds her, featuring an exclusive photo of Ghislaine Maxwell at an In-N-Out Burger in Los Angeles. The photo shows Maxwell looking relaxed, reading a book, apparently hiding in plain sight. And the message was clear. We found the elusive socialite when law enforcement couldn't. Except it was all theater. The Daily Mail discovered metadata showing the photo was taken by Meadowgate, a company owned by Leah Saffian, who is Ghislaine Maxwell's defense attorney and fixer. The photo was allegedly staged by Maxwell's own team.

The staging likely went deeper than anyone initially realized considering in the background of the photo is a movie poster for good boys. A comedy about the sex lives of pre-teens for Christ's sake. So when investigators checked with outfront, the company that manages bus stop advertising, they were told, "We do not have any records of this good boy's poster being posted there." So the poster was allegedly photoshopped into the image. So this isn't just alibi creation. It's psychological warfare. If that's true, the choice of movie poster about pre-teen sexuality in a stage photo of the alleged madam of a child sex trafficking ring wouldn't be a coincidence.

-- The Book of Honor: The Secret Lives and Deaths of CIA Operatives, by Ted Gup

Maxwell was also photographed reading the book of honor, the secret lives and deaths of the CIA. As one commenter noted, this is just an FU to the public. The New York Post's role in this deception raises disturbing questions about media complicity in intelligence operations. Give me a break. I kind of get the feeling now that the CIA has been in every newsroom since Kennedy's head exploded in Daily Plaza. What if Israeli intelligence had reach into the New York Post's newsroom? What if they're blackmailing somebody there? Cuz it sure looks like that whole release is more of a way to either protect, or be sadistic. I don't know. They can't be that stupid. I digress.

Now political response to the Epstein revelations has been equally telling. And Trump recently called the Epstein revelations a Democrat hoax, stating their new scam is what we will forever call it the Jeffrey Epstein hoax. Like, bro, this has been going on since 2007 under George Bush, you maniac. This isn't a partisan issue. And it's not just about Jeffrey Epstein. And to limit it down, to boil it down to that, is like rudimentary. The people aren't concerned about that. They're concerned with the fruits of Epstein's labor running our country.

And there's like two officials in our whole country who are fighting for transparency. Thomas Massie is one of them. Not coincidentally, he's one of like four or six politicians in the House of Representatives who didn't swear an actual literal oath of allegiance to Israel, which is a thing. He's offered an effort to force a vote on releasing the files. He of course thinks we deserve to know. He thinks it looks like corruption. And so there's these efforts, and some of them meaningful. But the resistance to the transparency tells its own story. I think Trump can wave a wand and release a bunch of documents that he's pretending lower judges are restricting access to. I think he's kind of full of shit.

So the Maxwell Epstein network, it's clearly not just about compromising American officials. It's about hiding the fact that American officials can even be compromised. It's about making sure that this doesn't become a mainstream conversation. I'm terrified at the fact that quote unquote normies and not just crazy uncles with conspiracy theories are now talking about this very subject matter. That horrifies me, because I don't know what lengths the parties involved, will go to avoid the consequences if this all does come to light.

I don't know. Somewhere in an office we can't see, in meetings we're never going to hear about, the next generation of Epstein is being recruited, trained, and deployed with better skills for the internet age. So Epstein wasn't an aberration. He wasn't a lone predator that somehow gained access to the world's most powerful people through charm and mystery. Epstein was a product. Epstein was a weapon. Epstein was part of a system. Epstein was certainly manufactured by intelligence agencies to serve intelligence purposes. Epstein was absolutely protected by prosecutors to maintain intelligence operations.

Look at Alex Acosta. That's a direct quote from a US attorney. "Epstein was intelligence. I was told to leave him alone." And Epstein was eliminated when he became more of a liability than an asset. That's why I think Ghislaine is higher than he is on the org chart.

The victims deserve justice. The enablers deserve prosecution. And the American people deserve to know how their government might allegedly be compromised by foreign intelligence services using sexual blackmail. And until that happens, and until we dismantle the networks that created and protected these operations, the Epstein story isn't over. I lament digging into this. And now that I've started producing it, what I'm obligated to stay alive for another 85 years until the documents come out, because otherwise I think it's just a rat in a maze that doesn't even have cheese in it at this point.

This has been episode three of this whole Epstein experiment. Next go round, we're going to explore the financial networks that funded the operations. We're going to look at potentially where the surveillance infrastructure came from, and ongoing efforts to prevent accountability, plus some of the current events that are going on with Ghislaine being moved. Is she going to be whacked? Is she going to go free? Who knows?

Sources reference include Daniel Halper's Clinton Inc. The audacious rebuilding of a political machine. Victor Ostrovsky's By Way of Deception, the various interviews you can find with former Israeli military intelligence officer Ari Ben Menashe, Whitney Webb's One Nation Under Blackmail volumes one and two. There was a recent investigative report done by Candace Owen into elements of Robert Maxwell's background that was helpful. Steven Hoffenberg sworn testimony. British Foreign Office declassified files from 2003. New York Times reporting on the Pollard summit demand investigative work by Gordon Thomas and Martin Dylan. Of course Whitney Webb I mentioned. And so we'll see you. [Applause]

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Next episode:• pt5 Jeffrey Epstein : Hiding in Israel - Tom the producer continues to explore Jeffrey Epstein, Robert & Ghislaine Maxwell's intelligence legacy, Les Wexner's funding, Israel's history of compromising US politicians, and the complex web of power, corruption, and exploitation surrounding the network.

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He explores the historical context of sexual blackmail as a tool of control, the financial systems that enable such operations, and the modern implications of surveillance and technological control.

The discussion emphasizes the plight of victims and the systemic failures that allow perpetrators to evade justice, ultimately framing the ongoing struggle for truth and accountability in a corrupt system.

takeaways

The Epstein saga is a reflection of systemic corruption.

Virginia Giuffre's death symbolizes the abandonment of victims.

Sexual bl@ckmail has historical roots in American politics.

Financial systems have been weaponized to protect organized crime.

Epstein's network is a legacy of exploitation and control.

Modern surveillance technologies pose new threats to privacy and freedom.

The current cover-up suggests a larger network at play.

Victims are often left voiceless in the pursuit of justice.

The choice between truth and corruption is a societal dilemma.

The human spirit's resilience challenges the power of the corrupt.



Transcript

The Epstein Saga: A System of Control
you're interested in podcasting, you're a lawyer or law firm, visit legalpodcasting.com
or go ahead and fill out the form right here on the NJC criminal podcast. Thank you for listening. Picture this. It's
August 2025 and somewhere in the marble halls of power, the very people who
promised to drain the swamp are now telling us there's no swamp.
They're handing us redacted documents like stale crumbs from a moldy loaf. While the victims of Jeffrey Epstein,
the brave souls who dared to speak truth to power watch their hopes crumble yet
again into the familiar dust of Washington betrayal.
Virginia Jufrey is dead. The woman who stared down princes and presidents who
knocked on doors from coast to coast seeking just one person with the courage
to corroborate. Her shattered reality is gone. And in her absence, we hear the
thunderous silence of Adam Perry Lang, the celebrity chef who fed Epstein's
guests while pretending not to see the parade of broken children served as dessert. We see the calculated theater
of Gizlane Maxwell suddenly being moved to a prison camp. Not the kind of place
where you warehouse a convicted sex trafficker, but rather the sort of minimum security facility where white
collar criminals polish their memoirs. So,
let's peek through this veil of manufactured ignorance. Let's explore how the Epstein operation wasn't some
bizarre anomaly that crawled out of the shadows of South Florida. It was the
logical, inevitable culmination of a system that's been perfecting the art of
power through blackmail for nearly a century.
Welcome to the New Jersey Criminal Podcast. I'm Tom, the producer.
So far in this Epstein series, we've traced his mysterious ascent from
college dropout to inner sanctums of global power. We explored the Maxwell
dynasty and their blueprint for sexual blackmail operations. Uh Meger spoke with Christopher Mog
about Peterborough Airport as the hub of operations for Epstein's
flying circus. In this episode, we're going to dig
deeper into the machinery itself, the intelligence networks, organized crime syndicates, and financial architecture
that didn't just enable Epstein, but created the very ecosystem where his operation could thrive with complete
The Machinery Behind Epstein's Operation
impunity. Because what we're dealing with isn't just a story of one predator. It's the
story of how America's most powerful institutions became weapons of control
wielded by puppet masters who understand that the most effective chains aren't made of iron. They're made of shame,
secrets, and the terrible leverage that comes from knowing what powerful people do in the dark.
Let me start with what we're witnessing right now because it's a masterclass in how power protects itself when the masks
start to slip.
We have Tara Palary, one of the finest investigative journalists on this subject, documenting in excruciating
detail how Epstein's victims are being abandoned. Again,
Virginia Gefrey spent years reaching out to Adam Perry Lang, a chef who traveled
with Epstein to his island, his ranch, his Manhattan mansion, she left him handwritten notes pleading for just one
person to confirm what everyone with eyes could see.
In the words of Grey to Adam Perry Lang, please don't be an
enabler. Be a hero. be a hero to me, Epstein's victims, and the millions of
children who are trafficked every day. Lang never answered, never testified.
Like so many others, he chose silence over courage, comfort over truth. And
now we are watching the same pattern play out on a national scale. Annie Farmer, who testified against
Maxwell, can't even reach the prosecutors who worked her case because Morin Comey, daughter of James Comey,
well, maybe she was fired for the crime of being related to someone who
is an idiot and can't control his impulses when he's on social media.
Or maybe she got fired for being inept and letting Diddy walk and
letting freaking Gizlane Maxwell end up in a country club. Hard to say. I mean, the victims are
writing desperate letters to judges begging not to be left in the dark again, while Maxwell gets quietly
transferred to what amounts to a country club with fences.
Historical Context: Sexual Blackmail and Power
And Anne Coulter offered some insight of all people. Apparently, she
had some dealings with Epstein and had some observations that sort of
cut to the bone related to what we're dealing with. She's a woman who met Epstein before any of this broke, who
was so creeped out by his frivolous attitude about wealth that she had his driver drop her blocks away from her
apartment. She's been covering the story since 2006, and she's absolutely
convinced of two things. first that Epstein was funded by foreign intelligence, likely Israel andor Saudi
Arabia, because the math of private blackmail simply doesn't add up. And
second, that someone with immense power is working very hard to ensure that 300
gigabytes of evidence, including surveillance footage from cameras that were quote all over and particularly in
the bedroom, unquote, that that footage never sees the light of day. So, she's
got a point there, but it's Whitney Webb who provides, and I've mentioned her 20 times in this
series, uh, One Nation Under Blackmail Volume 1 and two. It's awesome. Whitney
Webb, who provides the most chilling context for what we're witnessing. Uh she's been doing a series of recent
interviews, and she points out that many of the people who were brought into Trump's administration
specifically because they'd been vocal about Epstein conspiracies like Dan Bongino or Cash Patel have now been
rolled out to tell us there's nothing to see here. Epstein killed himself. Case closed. Move along. I never thought it
before. As a quick sidebar, I'm starting to wonder if Epstein's dead at all.
Now, the problem is, and this is Web continuing, there's a huge segment of Trump's base that actually cared about
this issue. They believed promises about transparency. They thought the
appointment of these figures meant real accountability was coming. Instead, they got hostage videos and deflection
campaigns about AI generated footage of Obama getting arrested. This isn't just political theater. This
is what happens when the puppet masters realize that one of their own marionets
is getting a little too much public attention. Now,
how sexual blackmail became standard operating procedure.
To understand how we got here, we need to go back to World War II. The moment
when American intelligence learned that the most effective way to control people wasn't through threats or bribes. It was
through shame and secrets. Our story begins with Lucky Luchiano
The Financial Architecture of Corruption
sitting in a New York prison cell facing a 30 to 50year sentence for running prostitution rings. But then something
extraordinary happens. The United States government decides it needs the mob's
help to protect the waterfront from Nazi saboturs. What follows is Operation Underworld,
a formal alliance between American intelligence and organized crime that would fundamentally reshape how power
operates in this country. The man who prosecuted Luchiano was
Thomas Dwey. The man who negotiated his release was Murray Gerin,
an assistant district attorney who just happened to be a colonel in the Office of Strategic Services, the precursor to
the CIA. And when Luchiano was deported to Italy
in 1946, it was not the end of the story. It was the beginning of a transnational
criminal network that was now formally wedded to the American intelligence services.
And here's where it gets truly diabolical. The same networks that were smuggling
drugs and laundering money were also pioneering the use of sexual blackmail as a tool of political control.
Meet Lewis Rosensteel, known as the chairman,
who ran Shenley Distillers and was part of an underworld consortium with Meer
Lansky himself. Rosensteel was obsessed with blackmail. He bugged his offices, his home,
everywhere. He used private detective Fred Otach, the same man who tried to
sexually entrap JFK, to wire his Manhattan mansion from roof to basement.
But Rosen Steel's masterpiece was something called the Blue Sweet parties at the Plaza Hotel in New York.
According to his fourth wife, Susan Kaufman, these weren't just social gatherings. They were elaborate
enttrapment operations involving Roy Conn, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover, and
young blonde boys. Kaufman testified that she personally witnessed Hoover dressed in women's
clothing and a wig introduced by Roy Cohen as Mary engaging in sexual
activities that were carefully photographed. The purpose? Well, Meer Lansky now had
pictures of the director of the FBI in compromising positions. The head of
America's premier law enforcement agency was now a controlled asset of organized crime.
But this is where it gets a bit more insidious. Roy Conn, remember this name because
he'd later become Donald Trump's mentor, admitted to former NYPD detective James
Epstein's Network: A Legacy of Exploitation
Rothstein that his job was quote to run the little boys unquote and set
them up for blackmail to get politicians to quote go along with the program
unquote. He called it part of the anti-communist crusade. But what it
really was was just systematic sexual exploitation of children to control
American politics. And it worked. For nearly 50 years, Jed
Garoover quote repeatedly declined to use the bureau to target organized crime
networks unquote, dismissing it as a local problem. While these same networks
grew so powerful they could essentially purchase entire industries and politicians.
The financial architecture of corruption. Now you might be wondering how does a
criminal network become so sophisticated that it can operate with complete impunity across multiple countries and
intelligence agencies. And the answer lies in understanding how these groups learn to weaponize the
global financial system. Enter Paul Hawwell, an OSS veteran who
became the architect of what can only be described as shadow banking for criminal enterprises.
Hello set up something called Castle Bank and Trust in the Bahamas, which
served as a money laundering hub for organized crime, intelligence operations, and wealthy families who
wanted to evade taxes. the bank's largest depositor,
the Pritsker family of Chicago, whose Hyatt Hotel empire was built on relationships with figures like Sydney
Corsack, Myer Lansky's logical successor, and whose early financing came from operations that were
indistinguishable from lone sharking. But Castle Bank wasn't just about
washing mob money. It was a CIA finance channel for operations against Cuba.
When the IRS tried to investigate the bank's extensive network of tax evasion, the probe was shut down due to quote
pressure from the Central Intelligence Agency unquote, which claimed it would endanger national security.
This is the key insight. The same institutions that were supposed to protect the public from organized crime
were actually protecting organized crime from the public. and they were doing it in the name of quote national security
The Modern Surveillance State and Technological Control
unquote. Now, a name that's come up in previous episodes, the Bronman family, whose
serums liquor empire was built on prohibition era bootlegging, developed
elaborate moneyaundering schemes using Canadian banks, shell companies, and fictitious individuals. They also
allegedly operated hotels that were, according to testimony before the Kavver
committee, actually brothel, the best in the West, allegedly.
When James Rutkin, a bodyguard, testified about these operations, he
turned up dead, having allegedly slit his own throat with a borrowed razor in
1956. So, biographer Terrence Robertson tried
to write critically about the Bronman's died of barbituate poisoning after claiming his life was threatened. And
this is the pattern we see over and over again. Those who try to expose the darker side of these operations tend to
meet unfortunate ends. The direct connection to Epstein's
network. So, how does all of this connect to Jeffrey Epstein?
The answer is both simpler and more terrifying than you might expect.
Epstein wasn't creating something new. He was inheriting and modernizing a
system that had been perfected over decades. Consider the Pritsker family. Nicholas
and Thomas Pritsker appear in Epstein's blackbook with extensive contact details. Their family's wealth
originated in the darker corners of American business. Deings with Sydney
Cororsack using Frontier Finance as a mobrun loan sharking operation and
partnering with Arthur Green who facilitated investments for Meer Lansky.
They were also the largest depositors in Castle Bank and Trust, the CIA protected
money laundering hub we just discussed. Then there's Lesie Wexner, Epstein's
primary benefactor or likely primary benefactor. In the early 1990s, a former
CIA proprietary airline called Southern Air Transport, which had been used to
smuggle drugs and weapons during Iran Contra, relocated to Ohio specifically
to manage cargo for Wexner's limited brand. That's Abbercrombian Fitch. that's
Victoria's Secret and so on. Jeffrey Epstein was directly involved in this
relocation, creating a clear logistical link from historical intelligence, drug
operations to Epstein's network. Henry Crown's son, Lester Crown, later
joined something called the Mega Group, co-founded by Lesie Wexner and Charles
Bronman and mentioned in one of our previous episodes. This wasn't just a philanthropic operation. It was a
The Current Cover-Up and Its Implications
constellation of families with documented ties to organized crime, intelligence operations, and illicit
financial structures, all orbiting around Epstein's world.
But perhaps the most chilling connection is Roy Con himself. The same man who ran
sexual blackmail operations with young boys in the 50s and 60s, became Donald Trump's mentor in the 70s.
Con taught Trump what he called the favor bank system, a method of establishing backroom deals and
political power through mutual compromise. In 1997,
Trump became the controlling shareholder of Resorts International, a company with
historical ties to Meer Lansky and which had been acknowledged as a CIA front
company. Hell, it started as the Mary Carter Paint Company before it turned
into a global hotel operation.
Trump buys into Resorts International, a known CIA front, and he buys Adnan Kosigible's yacht, which we all know
Kosogible was running sexual blackmail operations for decades. When Trump faced bankruptcy in the early 90s, he was
bailed out by Rothschild banking interests, primarily through Wilbur Ross, who later became Trump's Secretary
of Commerce.
Robert Maxwell, an Israeli intelligence asset, and Gizlane's father, was working
for these same Rothschild interests on Wall Street during that period.
Trump was photographed partying on Robert Maxwell's yacht alongside figures with organized crime affiliations.
Maxwell was deeply connected to Russian Ukrainian organized crime figures like Simeon Mulovich, whom Maxwell helped
gain international banking access through Israeli passports.
Man, we can't get through an episode without somebody giving somebody a passport. The pattern's unmistakable.
Epstein isn't just operating in isolation. He is embedded in networks that had been using sexual blackmail,
money laundering, and intelligence connections to control American politics and business for decades.
The modern surveillance state and the Palunteer connection.
So, here's where the story takes a truly dystopian 1984
Terminator Skynet turn. Whitney Webb argues that while everyone's focused on Jeffrey Epstein,
The Victim's Perspective and the Path Forward
we're missing the bigger picture. His operation has been replaced by something
far more pervasive and technologically sophisticated. Enter Peter Teal and Palanteer, which
Web describes as the new Epstein. Palanteer is essentially a resurrection
of the controversial DARPA program called Total Information Awareness, which was supposedly shut down after
public outcry, but was actually privatized to avoid scrutiny. Palunteer now facilitates
pre-rime through predictive policing and has access to vast amounts of personal
data. Let's let me read that to you again. If you weren't horrified, think about these words.
Palunteer facilitates pre-rime through predictive policing. That sounds like
straight up thought police. They have access to vast amounts of personal data, search history,
communication, social media. They can essentially predict what you're going to do before you do it. And they can use
that information to control behavior on a massive scale. It gets worse.
Israeli companies, some co-ound co-unded by Epstein and Teal's Founders Fund, now
manage America's 911 systems through a company called Carbine 911.
Israeli cyber security firms manage US military systems, Department of Homeland
Security operations, power grids, and water supplies. This isn't about espionage. It's
creating a system of total dependence where boycotting or opposing Israel
becomes literally impossible because they control the infrastructure that keeps American society functioning.
Web describes this as a policy advocated by Benjamin Netanyahu and financeier
Paul Singer. make Israeli companies so essential to the American economy and
government that US cannot extricate itself from Israeli influence no matter what Israel does on the world stage.
Ooh, that sounds contemporary.
So, we're not just talking about traditional blackmail anymore. We're talking about technological blackmail. A
system where entire nations can be held hostage not through compromising photos but through control of the digital
infrastructure that modern societies depend on to survive
The Choice Before Us: Truth vs. Corruption
the current cover up and why it matters which brings us back to the present
moment and why this administration's handling of the Epstein files represents
something far more sinister than mere political embarrassment. And Anne Coulter makes a crucial point.
If this were really just about protecting Donald Trump from personal embarrassment, why wouldn't they simply
release everything that doesn't involve him? The fact that they're suppressing 300 gigabytes of evidence, including
surveillance footage that could identify other perpetrators,
suggests they're protecting a larger network. Whitney Webb's theory is that Trump may
be protecting figures who are still very close to him, people with connections to Epstein that have never been publicly
reported. She's begun a series called First Friends, exploring these
connections, starting with Flavio Brié, a longtime Trump friend whose name was
circled in Epstein's black book by his former butler as a potential co-conspirator or material witness.
But there's also the possibility that Trump isn't just protecting friends. He's protecting the entire
system that put him in power in the first place. Consider this timeline. In 2015, the
same year that Epstein's black book was published by Gawker with Trump's name circled as a potential co-conspirator,
several key events occurred. Alfred Rodriguez, Epstein's former
butler, who had circled Trump's name, died in prison under circumstances that
were never investigated. Peter Teal began suing Gawker into
oblivion. Trump announced his candidacy for president
and Teal and Epstein began meeting regularly. Put that all together and you can take away the message that those who
threaten to expose the network face consequences while those who serve its interests are rewarded.
The victim's perspective and the path forward. So perhaps the most heartbreaking aspect
of this entire saga is how the victims have been systemically abandoned at
every crucial moment. As Terrapal Mary documents, Annie Farmer and other
survivors are writing desperate letters to the Justice Department, begging not to be left in the dark again. They
remember what happened in 2008 when a secret nonprosecution agreement was signed behind their backs, dropping
Epstein's potential federal charges from 60 to zero.
They see Maxwell being moved to a minimum security facility and they know exactly what it means. The system is
preparing to let her walk. Arguably the crulest irony is that
Virginia Gefrey died believing that justice might finally be possible.
She had hoped that powerful people, Trump, Elon Musk, might finally release the files that would vindicate her
story, help other victims. Instead, she did live to see those same
figures weaponize her suffering for political theater,
then discard the cause entirely when it became inconvenient.
That's not a statistic or a case study. That's a human being whose childhood was
stolen, whose trust was shattered. These are people whose entire adult lives have been shaped by this trauma and this
ongoing coverage and largely inflicted by people who should have been protecting them, not
Epstein and Maxwell. And so now they're watching the very institutions that are
supposed to deliver justice actively work to ensure their abusers remain protected.
The Epstein network understood something most people don't. The most effective way to control someone isn't to threaten
them with violence. Is to make them complicit in their own degradation. To make them believe they
can choose their fate.
To make them so ashamed of what was done to them that they police themselves. This is why so many victims never come
forward. It's why those who do are immediately attacked and discredited.
The system doesn't just protect perpetrators. It actively cultivates an
environment where victims become their own jailers.
The choice before us. We stand at a crossroads that would have
been familiar to our founders who understood that power without accountability
inevitably becomes tyranny. That secrecy without oversight inevitably becomes corruption.
And that justice delayed is justice denied.
The Epstein network wasn't an aberration. And it was the logical endpoint of a system that has spent
decades learning how to weaponize our institutions against us.
It took the tools of democracy, intelligence agencies, law enforcement,
the financial system, and the media, turned them into instruments of control
for an unaccountable oligarchy that views ordinary Americans as cattle to be
managed, not citizens to be served.
It seems, however, with the uproar, the activity, the fact
that our last video got 10,000 views in 24 hours,
that people care. And the human spirit's stubborn refusal to accept that this is
simply how it works is a real problem for them.
They're not counting on people like Virginia Guay who spent her final years knocking on doors. They didn't count on
journalists like Tara Palmer and Whitney Webb. They didn't count on investigators like
even Anne Coulter coming and has been telling this story for pushing 20 years.
And they certainly didn't count on ordinary Americans who are just tired of
being told the sky is green. Shut up. The sky is green.
And nobody likes the idea of children suffering while their abusers get richer and more powerful.
Yeah, I'd say people are at their end of the rope end of their rope with this. It's between truth and lies, justice and
corruption. A society that protects it most vulnerable members and one that
feeds them to predators. The Epstein files may never be released.
I don't think they're going to be released in our lifetime. 300 gigabytes of evidence that may remain locked away
or be altered from its original form in some effective way. Delane Maxwell may
walk free, but the truth has a way of surviving even when the most determined
efforts are made to bury it, especially when it's just clear straight up
[ __ ] And every time somebody refuses to look away or raises a ruckus, refuses to let
these victims be forgotten, I think this network's power diminishes
just a little bit. And I think that's where we are today. And I think that's a dangerous place. You know, I think we're going to hear
about aliens or a a nuclear attack somewhere. I think the I think the parties involved,
without being specific, I think they'd let off a nuke before they'd let this
truly come to light. So, I think right now the best we can do
is remember, investigate, support journalists and researchers doing this work. Hold your representatives
accountable when they claim there's nothing to see here. Teach your children to recognize signs
of predatory behavior. Understand that powerful people don't automatically deserve trust or protection. Looking at
you, Bill Gates, you vax Nazi freak. And most importantly, we can refuse to let
the victims of Jeffrey Epstein, Gileain Maxwell, and all the unnamed co-conspirators who remain protected
fade into the darkness that powerful people prefer. The puppet masters may control the
strings of power, but they don't control the human spirit. Virginia Guprey is gone, but her voice
remains. Children traffic through Epstein's network may never get their day in
court, but their stories still have power. And the truth is still
overwhelmingly buried between years of classification and legal protection.
But it's creeping out and people are losing their
minds. And in the end, that might be enough.
This has been the NJ Criminal Podcast. Keep asking questions, keep demanding
answers, keep your head down. Uh, in a democracy, people are supposed
to be the ones pulling the strings. Uh, we've got some research uh, credits
here. I took uh from Terara Palm Mary's recent investigative podcast on the
Terara Paul Mary show. Uh Anne Coulter's interview was just a few days ago on the Winston Marshall podcast. Winston
Marshall is the former like ukulele player for Mumford and Sons. Uh
just throwing that in there for no particular reason. Whitney Webb's appearance on the Bad Faith podcast and
her book One Nation Under Blackmail. extensive documentary evidence about organized crime, intelligence
operations, financial corruption networks spanning from World War II to the present. You're interested in
podcasting, you're a lawyer or law firm, visit legalpodcasting.com or go ahead and fill out the form right
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pt5 Jeffrey Epstein : Hiding in Israel
NJ Criminal Podcast
Premiered Aug 19, 2025 NJ Criminal Podcast

Next episode: • pt6 Jeffrey Epstein : A Bit Of A Pattern | Tom the producer continues to find appalling information on #JeffreyEpstein - focusing on recent developments, including the #LasVegas arrest of Tom Alexandrovich, a high-ranking Israeli #cybersecurity official, for pred@tory behavior towards m!nors.

The discussion highlights patterns of individuals fleeing to Israel to evade justice, the implications of Israeli citizenship laws, and the intersection of intelligence agencies and legal loopholes that allow such behavior to persist.

The conversation concludes with reflections on the potential future of the case and the broader implications for #justice .

takeaways

The Epstein scandal continues to reveal new layers of pred@tory behavior.

Recent arrests highlight a troubling pattern of evasion of justice.

Israeli citizenship laws are exploited by fugitives to avoid prosecution.

Tom Alexandrovich's case exemplifies the ongoing issues within the justice system.

There are numerous cases of p3dophiles returning to Israel and reoffending.

The law of return grants instant citizenship, complicating extradition efforts.

Epstein's own flight to Israel post-conviction raises serious questions.

Intelligence agencies may be aware of these individuals yet take no action.

The comfort level of offenders in the U.S. is alarming given their backgrounds.

The conversation underscores the need for systemic change in handling such cases.



Transcript

Welcome back to our series on Jeffrey
Epstein, the scandal, the cover up. If
you're a lawyer or a law firm or legal
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new episodes.
And I've got breaking news.
More
boy, I need to start using code words so
the YouTube videos don't get taken down.
So
more predatory behavior towards minors.
the arrest of Tom Alexandovich in the
Henderson, Nevada, Las Vegas sting
operation. He's the head of Israeli
cyber security directorate and he wanted
to have
his fun with a child under the age of 16
caught stone cold red-handed. The head
of Israelis
cyber security directorate was trying to
do it with a child.
This is five days ago in Nevada. 6 days
ago in Nevada, his arrest. In the
meantime,
this is a bit of a pattern.
This has happened before. This isn't the
first time Israeli citizenship, frankly,
is figured into a story about men or
women accused of praying on children.
Let's talk about Malta Lifer,
a school principal in Melbourne who was
charged with 74 counts of child sex
abuse. She fled to Israel in 2008 and
for more than 12 years, she avoided
extradition until finally being sent
back in 2021 to face trial. sources are
the Guardian February 9th article uh
2023.
We've got Gersian Crer, a Brooklyn
principal who fled to Israel in 2010
after being accused of abusing young
relatives. He lived there for over a
decade before returning to the US,
pleading guilty and receiving 9 years in
prison.
Meanwhile,
there's also stats on a myriad, I want
to say 50 to 60 pedophiles who've gone
back to Israel with dozens of them
reaffending. So, Israel lets pedophiles
come back, gives them shelter, and then
lets them reaffend before
or if they even take action. And a CBS
news investigation found case after case
specifically that was uh how Jewish
American pedophiles hide from justice in
Israel is the CBS story.
Even Jeffrey Epstein
himself when he was convicted of sex
crimes. Guess what the first thing
Jeffrey Epstein did after his sex crime
conviction? because his passports
weren't taken away. I'll give you a
moment to guess what he did.
Ding. He immediately ran to Israel after
his 2008 conviction when astonishingly
his passport wasn't revoked. Not even
his fake passports apparently weren't
revoked.
Vanity Fair's Vicky Ward reported that
dinner table chatter all over New York
revolved around Epstein absconding to
Israel and he he later confirmed he had
gone joking.
Would you want to live in Israel?
That's a Vanity Fair news article from
May08 by Vicky Ward who's done
incredible Epstein reporting
Spanish accounts citing her which
I'll get into that in a subsequent
episode and a Rolling Stone describe
Epstein visiting Israel in April08
touring military sites and meeting
researchers
sparking speculation he was considering
staying. This is postconviction
for child
X crimes.
Trying so hard to remember all the words
that are going to get this shut down on
YouTube.
Uh TRT World Reporting suggested
Epstein was also meeting with
intelligence ties at that time. Uh
source TRT.global.
So the legal loophole, why does this
happen?
Well, the law of return grants instant
Israeli citizenship to Jews worldwide. A
law critics say has been
not surprisingly exploited by fugitives.
You can see uh jacobin.com
February 2023 Israel law of return
article. And after the Samuel Shinbomb
case in the 1990s when an American teen
murderer escaped to Israel, extradition
laws were tweaked, but the gaps remain
like Swiss cheese.
You can find a ton of info on Sam Samuel
Shine Bomb in that case. So, let's
return back to where we started. Tom RTM
Alexandrovich, Israeli cyber official
caught in a Nevada child sex sting. And
today he's not in a Nevada jail. He's
awaiting trial in the US. He's back home
in Israel, out on $10,000 bail, poultry,
on administrative leave from his job,
house arrest. He's home watching Judge
Judy.
He's facing no visible repercussions.
So, we've seen this before. Predators
swing to Israel. Legal systems tied in
knots. Survivors waiting decades for
justice. But you get to watch this one
play out from the very from the tip. I
mean, you get to watch every minute of
this game with Alexanderich
cuz I know I'm telling these stories and
using big names and trying to tie this
nebulous web together and using all
these examples through time. And here's
one in real time. just watch it like
current events.
Now, here's the craziest
is apparently,
and I'm going to share this uh reporting
from breakingpoints.com.
One of this I'll put just up here on the
screen. You can see Tom Alexanderich,
the date and the time of his arrest,
which was August 6, 2025. uh you will
see that he was charged with luring a
minor using tech uh technology. Some of
the details guys here is that it's a
classic kind of undercover sting
operation uh run by the FBI child task
force and the Nevada Internet Crimes
Against Children Task Force that was a
joint operation that they launched on a
August 6. What we learn effectively is
that an undercover operative began to
pose as a 15year-old girl on two
different apps. One of them is called
Pure and later on using WhatsApp. Uh
what they found is that Tom
Alexandervich engaged in a conversation
with what he believed to be a
15-year-old female juvenile and quote
spoke about sexual contact with that
minor. The user then later agreed to
meet the decoy at a predetermined
location. The sexual conduct included
quote bringing a condom and taking the
decoy to Cir Dole in Las Vegas uh where
this happened. Meaning photograph
communicating with the decoy juvenile
were obtained the suspect advised they
would be arriving in an Uber.
Quote while the undercover operative was
in contact with the subject being made
aware in the area of the predetermined
location. Task force operators contacted
this person uh who they knew to be
arriving. Uh, quote, "Every attempt was
made to positively identify that user
that had agreed to sexual conduct. That
subject was then identified as Tom
Alexandervich prior to being contacted."
So, I'm just sharing the circumstances
here uh that this all went about. You
know, first of all, as we could see uh
in the in the details, sorry, of the
document, you could see very clearly
that he engaged in conduct with somebody
or in contact, sexual contact, and
agreed to meet that juvenile who he
believed was 15 years old for sex. What
transpires next is actually just so
crazy. So, I'm gonna read here.
I recorded this whole episode before I
found out this next part.
This makes me sick.
Again, exclusively from the documents.
What they say is that Alexander was
placed under arrest. Uh he was uh
transported to the Henderson Police
Department due to the affforementioned
facts. They say they determined based on
the undercover communications with pure
the phone number and everything that
Alexanderich did indeed, you know,
arrive at this location with the intent
to have sex. What then follows is an
extraordinary interview with a lot of
claims being made that undermine a lot
of what we are now learning. So what
they say is that quote upon Alexander's
arrival he engaged in a recorded
interview and he waved his Miranda
rights as they say very clearly. The
interview was then conducted at 200
hours on August 6, 2025. Alexander said
that his native language is Russian and
Hebrew. He agreed to speak and fully
understands English. He waved his
Miranda rights. He advised uh due quote,
"Due to being from Israel, the Israeli
consulate would be notified." So, do you
guys see immediately they're talking
about notifying the Israeli government?
This matters because the Israeli
government initially denied Alexanderich
had ever been placed under arrest when
the police department is saying here
explicitly that he is of course being
notified to the Israeli consulate. They
say quote Alexander is from Israel and
is visiting for a black hat conference,
works for the Israeli government agency
and has so for approximately 14 years.
He stated he's never been arrested and
he's not familiar with the consequences
of not speaking to or not speaking to US
authorities. Alexander has stated he has
a meeting with the NSA tomorrow and had
met several bureau people and NSA people
over the past week. So, let me just
underscore that this man is here in our
country on behalf of the Israeli
government to meet with the NSA and with
the FBI and in the meantime gets caught
up in an FBI sting operation where he is
allegedly, I guess, you know, for the
legal record trying to meet up with a
15-year-old girl. uh for sexual contact.
The man is in the country hanging out
with the organizations that literally
record every phone call that is made
the NSA.
And he's comfortable enough to run
around using his cell phone
in attempts
to have X with minors.
The the hubris
is
excruciating.
Here's what I know.
If you're an American and you're in
Israel, if you're an American and you're
in Italy, if you're an American and
you're in Germany and you're meeting
with
their intelligence agencies
and you're from a you're the head of a
department or a security department for
the US and you're visiting those
countries,
they're following you.
They might be listening to your freaking
calls.
The idea that this guy's comfortable
enough to come to the United States of
America,
put his name, face,
and identity into the mix with
our most secret intelligence or
one of our more secret intelligence
agencies,
plus the FBI.
And he's so unconcerned with anyone
paying attention to him while he's here
that it's the right time for him to
exercise his impulses for
hideous
behavior with minors.
If you've never read a book about
intelligence or CIA or FBI, like I I
forgive you if if that does if you're
like, why is that so weird to him?
That's outlandish
to me
that he would have that level of comfort
considering
his interactions in real time at that
time. That's unbelievable.
Um, I'll continue. They say Alexanderish
described the bureau agents who he'd
been talking to. He stated he was at the
conference to learn. He said he's in the
approximately the United States three
months ago. Stated he comes to the
approximately the United States three
two to three times a year. Say he'd use
the international phone number to chat.
Stated he did not remember the name of
the girl he was chatting with, but he'd
met her on the Pure application.
Alexander stated he had photos of
himself on Pure. Could not recall if he
had sent them by the application. Yeah,
sure. Um stated that he uses the name
quote Adam on dating apps. stated that
he had agreed to go on dinner and show
with a date. Then he does the classic to
catch a predator. Stated he believed the
girl was 18 years old. That was age
listed on the pure application. Stated
he felt that the girl quote pushed him
to talk about bringing a condom yet
could not remember how many times quote
the girl had pushed him. Stated quote he
was embarrassed for being arrested. This
is where things get very interesting
guys. Quote question how much bail would
cost while he was under arrest. They
also said that he stated he would need
his glasses. stated that he had family
members phone numbers memorized, stated
that he was in shock and someone he
needed to contact immediately about his
international flight back to Israel.
Alexander stated he did not know the
numbers for the Israeli government.
Stated that his family was in Israel.
Stated it was very very important to get
his number. Stated that his phone does
not have a password but uses both his
right thumbrint and stated he did not
need the following numbers from his
phone. They list them here. Importantly,
Alexander stated if he could message his
family or make a call to the embassy.
They stated that would not be possible
right now and stated that he eventually
would like to participate in a
polygraph. So, those are the details uh
that I could share with all of you. It
really is stunning, right? Um because
what we learn from that is that he is
immediately advised, right? That he
immediately is advised that they're
going to contact the Israeli consulate.
He starts emphasizing first of all he
does the classic predator stuff about oh
I didn't even know she was 15 she pushed
me etc whatever he can litigate that in
court but he is here to meet with the
NSA and with the FBI. Now remember they
say that he was not here uh he did not
claim diplomatic immunity or anything.
That is what is indicated currently in
the arrest record at least so far from
what we have seen. But it is obviously
made clear that Alexanderich immediately
is identified as an Israeli national as
Israeli government employee. All of this
is very important because right now
every single other person who has been
arrested in this sting operation has a
criminal complaint filed against them.
Now as of right now that I'm speaking to
all of you, keep in mind this is late at
night here on on Monday. There has not
yet been a criminal complant complaint
filed against Alexandervich, which is
very questionable given the
circumstances. He does have a court date
appearance on August 27th. Obviously, we
don't know yet if he's going to return
from Israel to face charges, but this is
an
I'll be very interested to see if that
court date on the 27th remains or comes
and goes or
nothing will surprise me.
I won't be surprised if Alexander ends
up dead because his timing is so bad. I
won't be surprised if Alexander ends up
being a sacrificial lamb because there
happens to be so much light on this
topic right now
and that maybe they actually do let him
get prosecuted. And I certainly
will be surprised the least
if nothing happens to Alexanderich.
I'm going to leave it with that. Get it
published before the story changes
entirely in the next two hours.
There's more to come. We've got upcoming
segments on Epstein, Prince Andrew,
more Maxwell stuff. Man, this is
uncomfortable to look too.