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pt2- Jeffrey Epstein's Private Aviation Network
NJ Criminal Podcast
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Next episode: • pt5 Jeffrey Epstein : Hiding in Israel - This conversation with #author Christopher Maag digs into the connections between Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein, and #Teterboro #airport , exploring the implications of #private #aviation in the context of the ongoing trial.

The discussion highlights the lack of regulation in private aviation, the testimonies from pilots, and the potential future of aviation security in light of these revelations.

takeaways

Teterboro Airport served as a hub for Epstein's operations.

Epstein's #wealth allowed him to utilize exclusive private aviation services.

The lack of regulation in private aviation raises concerns about security.

Testimonies from pilots reveal insights into Epstein's flights.

The trial may prompt discussions on aviation regulations.

Private aviation is often perceived as a privilege for the elite.

There is a need for more scrutiny in private aviation practices.

The balance between privacy rights and security is a complex issue.

Investigative journalism plays a crucial role in uncovering these stories.

Future legislation may arise from the findings of this trial.



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Since Ghislain Maxwell just got transferred and is likely to get either whacked or walk free, please enjoy this episode from December 2021.
Welcome back to New Jersey Criminal Podcast. Today is the end of the first week of the trial of United States of
America versus Galin Maxwell. Opening arguments began on Monday and the first
witness that the government called was pilot for Jeffrey Ebstein, Larry Vasi.
And we've heard testimony throughout the week. The one thing that I found very interesting was the connection to New
Jersey. And here today to talk to me about that connection is Enterprise reporter for the record and USA Today,
Christopher Moog. Christopher, welcome. Hi, Meg. Thanks for having me. Like many of us, um, I have been glued
to the news watching the development of the trial this week. The reporters are
allowed in the courtroom to a to some limited extent, but the trial can't be
recorded or rebroadcast. We are all relying on reading articles about the
reporters who are there and their observations. Uh, and I found it interesting that the first witness was
pilot. Now, the indictment, the superseding indictment against Galin
Maxwell, uh, charges eight counts. uh the first six of which involve
allegations that uh she and others uh trafficked minors or conspired to
traffic minors. Obviously, in order for the government to prove those charges, they have to prove that there was actual
trafficking or traveling. Uh and so one of the uh big topics throughout uh the
initial arrest of Jeffrey Ebstein uh at the Teeterborough airport in New Jersey
uh and a lot of articles since then have focused on uh his travels on his
infamous Boeing 727 commonly known now as the Lolita Express and other uh
aircraft. Um, and uh, you know, I was doing a little bit of research and I
came across your article uh, from 2019,
August of 2019, uh, where you describe the Teeter airport and how it really was the travel
hub of his se sex traffic ring. So, I I appreciate you joining me today to uh
give us a little bit of the background that you learned uh when you first wrote that article back in 2019 and and
anything that you've learned since then. Uh because it really does seem that this international travels by Epstein, uh
there's been uh testimony just this week about uh Bill Clinton, Kevin Spacy, Bill Gates, etc. uh a lot of it, a large
majority of it was uh them flying in and out of this airport in New Jersey. So,
why don't you tell us about it? Sure. Thank you for having me. So, I had uh I was I was similarly drawn to this
case. I'm not in my journalism typically drawn to celebrity cases like this, but
I found the facts of Jeffrey Epstein's alleged abuses and then his uh the way
that he largely escaped consequences for his first uh conviction in Florida on
many multiple charges of sex trafficking. Gripping and dark and awful. Uh, so when he was when Epstein
was arrested at Peterborough airport in the summer of 2019, I was actually out of the country. I was on a writing
fellowship up in Canada, literally on the side of a mountain in the Canadian Rockies. And um, so I was struck by, oh,
this I've read about this guy. He was arrested. He was arrested at Teterboro. the record newspaper where I'm based did
one or two short stories on that but didn't really you know it's a daily newspaper uh with uh people who are
operating under the gun of deadlines and so nobody had really the bandwidth to
think what a remarkable thing this is. Uh what occurred to me immediately is that um Epstein from what little I knew
at the outset liked to be a big deal. He had a lot of money and he liked to show that he has a
lot of money. And for people with those two qualities, Teterboro is an important
place. Uh to hanger a an airplane at Teterboro cost $60,000 a month if you
want to park it inside. And there's a long waiting list. and t and uh Epstein
just through a quick search I did while I was in my little cabin in the in the mountains he had at sometimes four
aircraft parked there some indoors some outdoors that's a lot of
by my math quarter of a million dollars a month and it wasn't all indoors and you know we had a sorski helicopter that was
outdoors and things and one was a small two propeller Gulfream uh plane so but at least one parked indoors I mean he
was he was spending a lot of money he could have parked these planes at Westchester County Airport um just a
little bit farther from his home on the Upper East Side. Uh and he could have paid a little more than half. As
context, I had already covered um I was a transportation reporter at the record before they gave me a column. So I knew
a bit, just barely enough to be dangerous on issues of regional transportation. Cedarboro Airport is
owned and operated by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. So that's that's why it resonated for me of like
a lot of people look at Tito and they think it's an airport for small planes in a swamp in New Jersey. That's not
untrue. But I knew enough that to know that in in this among uh the
international wealthy Peterborough has a different connotation there when you when you are Queen Latifah. I mean, for
example, Queen Latifah, Justin Bieber have their photos, Polaroids of them,
just inside the door of the subway uh sandwich shop at the end of the
Teeter runway because if you're about to get on a on a cross-country flight on your own plane, you need a sandwich.
One of the places people want to be seen. You want to be able to say that you flew through Teeter.
And for as humble as it looks, it really is a place for the rich and famous. Uh
when I got back from my from Canada, I started looking around and uh there had
been an earlier case in which Ms. Maxwell had been charged in Florida and
uh her many of the documents most of the documents from that case uh had been
sealed by court order and on appeal those those records were unsealed and
open to the public. So, um, I found them online, started going through them, and
I was immediately surprised by the volume of flights. These are all, I
should describe them. It's a PDF of originally handwritten documents. It's like a grid, like a spreadsheet,
uh, written by just one of Jeffrey Epstein's six pilots. This was David.
I found a copy of that online, and you referenced that in your August 2019
article. I had a question. Is that did he complete all of the logs or just the
logs for the flights that he was the pilot? Rogers that is because Epstein, just to be clear, Epstein had more than
one pilot. Uh again, first witness called by the government this week uh
was the Larry Vasi. Um you referenced just a minute ago, I believe the uh logs
written by David Rogers who was one of the other I think six total pilots. Yes.
So, each pilot keeps their own log. Um, so David Rogers, the these 103 pages, I
believe, of of sheets of of log sheets were just kept by one of Epstein's six
pilots. Um, the others didn't keep any logs. The others may or may not have had logs,
but uh they were not subject to the unsealing. Got it. By the Florida court.
Okay. So that indicate that's a hint of how often he was flying Epstein was
flying. Um just this this is presumably a small subset of the total number of
flights. Okay. Right. So then your article referencing like at least 730 flights to and from Teterboro between 95 and 2013.
It could be much much more than that. That's just one pilot of six. Got it. And the other thing that's in
that's maybe interesting to know or maybe important is that these are not FAA
required documents. The pilots don't have to keep these. The reason why uh David Rogers said he kept them is
because uh it is an important piece of information for maintenance of the
airplane and ensuring the airplane. You want to know how many hours the engines are up and running, roughly how many
miles it has flown. So it's it's kind of an internal document for the Epstein business operations to say when does it
need a new engine? The reason why that becomes important is because
the way that David Rogers kept these records changed pretty drastically. So they started in 1995 and Rogers is
writing down in most cases the full names of every person on board with some
important exceptions. A lot of the what appeared to be the younger women that were flying on the Boeing 727
uh were often just the initials. So some of those align with uh people
who say they were victimized by Epstein. Uh some of them don't, but we just have the initials to go on. So after Epstein
was charged in 2007 uh on sex trafficking, uh Rogers changed
the way he wrote his notes. he stopped putting anyone's full name on. It became either just a hashmark for a number of
people on the plane or um people's initials. So, it became a lot more anonymous and we don't have any indication at this
point whether he did that of his own accord or whether he was directed to do that. I'm sure if he's called to testify, we will find out.
I find it interesting that this otherwise humble place is this symbol for the international elite. That's that
is a major reason one would assume why Epstein chose it to be the focus of his
operations. I also should say that there's not a complete ven diagram
overlap here. Well, the same document that you and I have both looked at. Um, Donald Trump flew on at least one
flight. Uh, Bill Clinton flew on, I believe, three flights, but it's been a little while since I looked.
None of them went through Teeter, so I can't I didn't look at them. you were focusing there.
Well, I mean, it seems to me that Teterboro when when Epste was arrested,
he was coming into Teeterborough, right? Son, he was arrested. He was flying in from Paris. So, the flights going in and
out of Teterboro were all over the country and all over the world. It wasn't as though Teeter just traveled to
the Palm Beach residence or the Santa Fe residence. So it was yeah it was his basis for flights to
Paris to Aspen, Colorado to London. Is that the So we're assuming or do we know for sure that the Teeter airport is
the airport that he would always fly along with Maxwell when she flew with him uh anytime they were leaving or
coming into the Manhattan residence. I can't say with 100% certainty. They did occasionally fly to Westchester,
usually when Bill Clinton was on the plane. Okay. uh and a couple of occasions they flew
to Newark. I don't know why, but yeah, it is definitely safe to say that uh for his
new for Epstein's New York home, uh Teter Bro was the was the base.
Since you wrote the article in August of 19, um did you continue
uh your research or um investigation regarding uh the connection to Teeter?
Is there anything that you learned after you wrote the article in in 2019 that
you uh felt was worthy of uh either continued uh analysis or continued
articles? Yes. So we did uh I teamed up with two other reporters from the record uh
Abbott Koloff and Gene Rimbaugh who are amazing investigative journalists and we
we wrote one more story about Teeter and the focus of that story was to talk about this world of it's the world of
private aviation not all of which is for the elite I mean this can be um crop
dusters uh taking off from grass airports uh it can be dentists with a
little plane Um, a small subset of this private aviation world are rich people like
Jeffrey Epstein. And the same rules apply to all of them for the same reason, which is uh you and
I are used to getting onto a United flight at pick a major national international airport and we have to go
through the TSA screening and our bags are checked. Uh, in private aviation, none of that applies. Uh, nobody's
checking your bags. Nobody's checking the people on the plane. Um and the reasoning for that both from the FAA
agrees with uh the private aviation industry on the argument that owning a plane is
like owning a car. We would never suggest that state police should uh
check our bags and our cars before we take our cars out of the garage. Along
that same principle, it's a private plane. You own it. You get to take whatever you want. And if through other
means we find you are fing or trafficking drugs or underage girls, then we have other means to find that
and prosecute that. But that's that private aviation is not the primary lens
through which we do enforcement of those problems. So arguably a privacy interest. Yeah. that that they I think because
people get a little annoyed at the privileges and power of the rich when
you look at what is actually happening at a place like Teterboro or the Palm
Beach airport where he flew where Epstein flew often um these are not the
airport experiences that 99% of Americans have um the focus of
operations at Teter are five what are called fixed base operations and um they
have a long history in in aviation because they actually predated the creation of airports. They predated the
word airport and it just meant here's a place where you can refuel your plane uh and get ready for your flight. They have
evolved into reasonably opulent uh way stations, lounges for the rich as
their planes are fueled and serviced and ready to go and their and their crews assemble. So, uh, I and a photographer
snuck into the one, the fixed base operation that Epstein used. It's a nice corporate airport lounge,
you know, with massaging seats for the PL, you know, pilots. Uh, they have bunks for pilots who need to sleep
there. Not an amazing restaurant, but a little restaurant in there. They have uh leather seats for people to sit in. As
nice as it can be when you're still looking at planes and getting blasted by jet fuel, right? Uh and it's that's part of the
expense of using a place like Tita bro. These flights that were taken uh by
Epstein, Maxwell and others uh began before 9/11 and and extended after 9/11
2001. Are you aware if any uh rules changed from the perspective of the FAA
um post 911 with regard to uh these private planes? You indicated at the
beginning of our conversation that the logs that you reviewed by Rogers, one of
the six pilots, were not required. Um, that that surprises me to to hear that
the FAA still wouldn't require some sort of reporting requirements or knowledge
of, you know, private planes flying all over the country or the world. Yeah. No, I mean, it's really just uh
you need to file a flight plan. That's it. Do you know if any of those flight plans have been reviewed by the
government or have come into uh review? No, I I don't know.
It it will be interesting and I'm I'm I'm not sure if uh either the government
or the um you know defense intend to call any of the other pilots. Um, I did
review an account of the direct testimony of Larry Vasoski on Monday and
Tuesday and the cross-examination. And it sounded to me like the defense
were uh pointing to um what what you said a minute ago about the use of
initials of the folks that were on the plane to suggest that perhaps you know
um for example my initials MH. There could be somebody else with those initials and that doesn't necessarily
mean that I was on that flight. That kind of a thing. Um right. Not that I've ever been on a private plane, but
yeah, one of the interesting things there is that uh MH had her own plane,
right? It wasn't the big 727. It was usually part part of the time it was a Sorski
helicopter and part of the time it was a twin prop plane uh with vanity license
with GM. Yeah, I don't have a private plane as far as I know. It's a uh vanity license plate in the aviation world if you can pay extra to
have your initials as part of your tail number. Right. In fact, didn't the uh the Boeing 727, the Lolita Express, didn't it end
in J? Yes. Uhhuh. Right. And there was a plane, sorry. Was there
was a there was always a plane at Teterboro with GM for Maxwell.
I think so, so she had her own private plane at Tetboro airport. If she owned it or not is unclear, but
it appears that it was named for her. Another thing that I should mention, I maybe I haven't uh nailed this down
specifically, the the real issue when you're looking at this case for
Jeffrey Epstein is because it's private private aviation, there are no rules for
obscurity really. uh if you're coming in from uh as he was on his final plane uh
final flight uh from Paris, if you're flying internationally, the TSA is allowed to meet you at your destination
and and check your bags, you know, to make sure you're not bringing in any illegal goods. Domestic flights, there
are there is no authority. There's no structure for that. But there is an
informal piece to it. Um I believe it was Vanity Fair magazine interviewed people at the
St. Thomas airport, which is close to the island Little St. James that uh
Jeffrey Epstein owned. Uh just a short little boat ride away. They reported to
to again I think it was Vanity Fair seeing Epstein landing and leaving in
the company of many young underage women and getting their noses bent out of
shape, thinking that's not right. You shouldn't be doing that. you're old enough to be their father or their
grandfather. This is not like landing at Teterboro is not landing at a crop tester airport. There are people there.
And if there were people who noticed this strange looking group at St.
Thomas, it stands to reason that there would have been people working at Teterboro
who noticed the same thing. Yeah. And just as an aside, the flight would would fly direct, correct, from
Teterboro to St. Thomas. Yes. Mhm.
That's interesting whether or not there would be any witnesses to um the you know boarding of these folks
on the on the plane. Yeah. And the Port Authority told us that they offer trainings. They they run
trainings for workers. And one part of that training is to instruct workers that if you see anything suspicious uh
uh to indicate drug trafficking or human trafficking, here are the avenues to report that. Um
do we know whether there's any surveillance at Teterboro? I know that there are private security cameras at each of these fixed base
operations. Port Authority uh has its own police force uh and they patrol the
perimeter. Um, police also help with them at the perimeter and then TSA has
authority to come on site and the FBI anytime they want. It's definitely nothing as intensive as you might see at
Newark airport. One of the things that Vasi testified about on uh I think it
was Tuesday was that one of the things that he did was pick up luggage and put
luggage on the on the plane and um do a number of other things around the the
home of Epstein, including hooking up, you know, audio equipment, etc. It
would, you know, it seems odd that a pilot would be carrying luggage onto a plane. But of course, I guess if you're
also transporting underage females that the less people that see and know who's
coming on and off, the better. I interviewed a number of pilots uh who are, you know, among the elite
for this private ed private aviation world. uh you know whose clients own a
Gulfream 5 or Gulfream 7 jet uh 50 million $70 million jet in that world.
What these pilots told me is that the client dictates everything every aspect
of your working life is is determined by the whims and and taste of the client.
Uh some told me that uh they were hired through, you know, a chief of staff to a
rich client, never met or saw the rich client. They were told when to be in the cockpit. They were in the cockpit at
that time. The door was always closed. And the client preferred no contact and
maximal privacy. Other pilots told me, oh, actually, no, I'll take that back. the same pilot told me he had a
different client um who liked to fly to Las Vegas and would ask the pilots and
and a flight, you know, one or two flight attendants to join the client as
they rolled around like big spenders in Las Vegas because he wanted to have a big entourage and would be generally included in the
client's social world, you know, at a kind of a junior level, run the gamut. So
yeah, the the client can save, you know, for whatever reason. Uh
you can load baggage or keep away for the baggage. We have other people to do that. Um yeah, it's up to the client,
right? And I think Vasi also had testified. Again, I'm I'm relying on uh
what I have read by other reporters, but or or listened to by other reporters, but it's my understanding that Vasi had
testified, you know, that the the cockpit door was closed. Uh, of course
on on cross-examination, uh, it was brought out that, um, you know, he was never told he couldn't come
out. Um, on the other hand, he also testified that he was, you know, close
with Ebstein, that Ebstein, I think, paid for his daughter's, uh, both of his daughter's college education,
uh, etc. And then um on redirect the A USA uh Jim Comey's daughter was was
handling him as a witness uh said, "Well, you know, did did your daughters ever give him a massage?" And he said,
"Absolutely not." Right? So, it sounds as though the government was um you
know, attempting to portray Visasi, again, one of six of his pilots um as as
as being someone who was close with Ebstein, who did a lot for him, more than just what a pilot would do, but
went on the plane, stayed in the cockpit, didn't come out. The defense was attempting to um show that he he
certainly wasn't told to stay in the cockpit. and again was close with Ebstein um but but never saw or
witnessed anything uh on on the plane at least when he piloted it. Um I am
interested to see if any other um pilots testified. And it would be interesting to see if specifically if Rogers
testified um because as as we've discussed, we've seen his his logs um
and he may or may not be able to shed light on the individuals who those initials were to him and you know why it
was that he after Epstein was first arrested uh changed his quote unquote
reporting style to not include certain uh initials. Right. Um, so it and and
again at the end of the day it it all centers around the majority uh at least according to Rogers uh flight records,
the majority of the flights came in and out of Teterboro right here in New
Jersey. Yeah. And I think that's uh at first I wasn't necessarily believing testimony
from Rogers from the first trial in Florida. The 727 is a big plane, but a lot of these Gulf Streams are pretty
small. And I was thinking, you have to know who's on the plane if you're the pilot, right? And my uh pilot contact said,
"Sometimes, sometimes not. If you're in in the cockpit, there is often at least
two doors between you and the client." So there you've got obviously the
cockpit door, but then there's kind of there's often a little service area uh where you might have a crew sleeping
station uh big enough for a bed to just barely lie flat, a bathroom, a kitchen
um that is both used by crews during long flights and to prepare meals and drinks for the client. So you've got at
least two doors. On Epstein's 727, there were multiple compartments going back,
including this living room area with this doughnut shaped couch we've learned from uh this trial. So, that makes me
less incredulous. Uh I'm really curious to see how the testimony goes in this
trial because it actually is possible for all of this to be happening and the
pilot to genuinely not know andor to say, "I don't want to know. I'd rather
not know. Right. Do you think that the spotlight that has been put upon uh these private
aircrafts and these airports, you know, such as Teeterborough uh might change a
either the perception of folks that use these airports? Um, you know, you
started by saying this is uh kind of the rich and the famous and people want to be seen there to something that is
nefarious and and or do you think that it could ultimately change federal
rules, FAA rules, rules regarding um security, etc. What do you think? After
we published our story, um, two congressmen from, uh, North Jersey was,
uh, Representative Josh Gottheimr of Wyoff and Bill Pascal of Patterson, um,
introduced legislation to study this issue to say that, you know, there are less stringent security regulations and
staff training at Teterboro and similar facilities. And the TSA,
the legislation authorized a study. It didn't authorize any kind of fix to say
the TSA needs to study this and see if there are security threats or law
enforcement threats because of this private aviation network and report back to Congress on what they find. We were
happy to have any kind of you know official response to in which members of
Congress were agreeing that this seems strange that we have this large network that operates completely on its own with
very limited regulation. Nothing has come of that process. Uh so maybe this
trial and especially the fact that it opens the trial opens with um establishing testimony from one of
Epste's pilots. Maybe this brings more uh people talking about this issue, but
I wouldn't be surprised if nothing happens because I think a lot of people
uh both legislators and regular Americans would agree with industry to say, "Well, do you want cops checking
your trunk every time you go for a drive?" Well, that's my plane. Hands off my plane.
Yeah. Well, that's a pretty good argument. And uh I haven't heard of anybody at le nobody
from TSA or even people who have pointed out that this is an issue. Nobody has really pointed out a way to increase
security at facilities like Teterboro without infringing on that basic
assumption of privacy. Fascinating. Yeah. That that balance between privacy rights and the
government's interest in protecting people. That's going to be I think that's going to be a question that as it
relates to uh private airlines, private airports, uh private jets is we haven't
heard the last of it. I think you're absolutely right. Yeah. Thank you so much for joining me, Chris.
Thank you. It'll be interesting. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see uh what else we hear.
if if Teterboro gets named specifically throughout the trial, um if anything
develops, I'd love to have you come back. Um and I'd love to come back. I I thank you for taking your time this
afternoon uh to shed light into uh these details that you uh reported on over two
years ago. Yeah. Thank you, Me. I really appreciate it and let's keep in touch.
Thanks again for tuning in and don't forget to subscribe anywhere you listen.

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The Mysterious Death of Robert Maxwell

Well, sadly, but not surprisingly, the original version of this episode has been censored by YouTube. Uh, they said it had themes of selfharm, so I deleted the better part of one word and we're reposting it. Welcome to the New Jersey Criminal Podcast.

November 5th, 1991. The Atlantic Ocean off the Canary Islands. The naked body of Robert Maxwell floats in the dark waters beside his yacht. The Lady Ghislaine, the media baron who built an empire on lies, who served multiple masters and intelligence, had met his end. But death, as we've learned, often it's just the changing of the guard. Eight days later at Mount of Olives in Jerusalem, Israeli Prime Minister Yitzak Shamir delivers Maxwell's eulogy to a congregation that reads like a who's who of Israeli intelligence. Six service heads, politicians, spies, all gathered to honor the man who did more for Israel than we can explain today. And that's a quote. What they couldn't explain then was how Maxwell's death would birth something far more sinister. How his daughter Ghislaine would carry forward his methods. How a mysterious finance year named Jeffrey Epstein, already lurking in Maxwell's London offices throughout the 1980s, would perfect the art of blackmail that Robert Maxwell had pioneered.

Welcome back to the New Jersey Criminal Podcast. I'm Tom, the producer. In what is already a three episode series, we'll be exploring the Maxwell Dynasty, a family that turned sexual blackmail into a science. We can look at how Israeli intelligence allegedly manipulated American presidents with a specific example. And we're uncovering financial networks so complex that they make the tower's financial Ponzi scheme look like a lemonade stand. So, buckle up. Uh what you're about to hear isn't just the story of Epstein. It's the story of how a small Middle Eastern nation allegedly holds the puppet strings of American power and how those strings got tangled in phone sex recordings of a president and an intern.

Robert Maxwell: The Prototype for Jeffrey Epstein

Before Jeffrey Epstein was Jeffrey Epstein, there was Robert Maxwell. And before Robert Maxwell was Robert Maxwell, he was Ján Ludvík Hyman Binyamin Hoch, born 1923 in what is now Ukraine. The parallels between Robert Maxwell and Epstein aren't just striking, they're instructive. Both men were chameleons. Both built their fortunes on other people's money. Both served Israeli intelligence at the bare minimum, among other state agencies, and both allegedly used sexual blackmail as their primary weapon.

Now the primary connection through Maxwell is Israeli military intelligence. Hence him being buried with military honors not having been in the military. So Maxwell comes before Epstein. He's the prototype, the proof of concept if you will. And the picture of Maxwell's true nature is drawn from declassified British intelligence files, and in the testimony of former Israeli operatives. He used more aliases than a cold war spy. John Ludvik, Jan Ludvik, Ivan Leslie du Maurier, Leslie Jones. He didn't settle on Robert Maxwell until he married Elisabeth Meynard in Paris on March 14th in 1945. So even this guy's identity was borrowed.

At 12 years old, he joined the Betar Movement, a Jewish Zionist organization. This wasn't summer camp. This was ideological training and the recruitment for a future asset. The establishment media really, they don't touch Maxwell, but those who wade into those waters want you to believe Maxwell was a legitimate businessman who might have had some intelligence connections. But according to declassified documents and insider testimony, it's exactly the opposite. He was an intelligence operation, masquerading as a businessman.

In 51, Maxwell took control of a German publishing house, Butterworth Springer, renaming it Pergamon Press. The mainstream media portrays this as a shrewd business acumen. But according to the sources we've reviewed, this wasn't Maxwell's deal at all. It was an MI6 intelligence operation funded by Sir Charles Hambro, director of the Bank of England and former head of special operations during World War II. Maxwell wasn't the buyer. He was the front man, the cutout, the face they put on a British intelligence operation to acquire scientific journals that had been published under the Third Reich.

Intelligence Operations and Blackmail

It gets a little more interesting. In 54, Maxwell is sent to Russia to publish and translate Russian scientific articles. British Foreign Office files made public in 2003 confirmed what intelligence agencies suspected all along, which was that Maxwell was funded by Russia and working for the KGB. Think about this. The same man who's working for a little bit for British MI6, Russian KGB, Israeli intelligence, likely a little bit of CIA simultaneously. The KGB did later acknowledge Maxwell as he a high up Soviet agent, although they did question his loyalty. Fair enough. Because Maxwell's true allegiance wasn't to Britain or Russia, it was to Israel.

As early as 48, Maxwell played a major role in arming Zionist paramilitaries. He helped smuggle aircraft parts for Israel through the anti-Stalinist Czechoslovakian government. He didn't just support Israel's creation. He was one of the engineers of logistics. Victor Ostrovsky, the notorious MOSSAD defector who wrote by way of deception, confirmed Maxwell's deep MOSSAD ties. British intelligence agencies eventually described Maxwell as a Zionist that was loyal only to Israel and a prominent MOSSAD agent. That doesn't mean he didn't dabble with other intelligence agencies and he certainly had properties in other countries.

At this point, Maxwell's story becomes a template for Epstein. According to Ostrosvky and other sources, Israeli intelligence services satisfied Robert Maxwell's sexual appetite by supplying him with prostitutes. This wasn't just a perk of the job. It was leverage. Maxwell's hotel rooms were rigged with cameras, and Israeli intelligence acquired a small library of video footage of Maxwell in sexually compromising situations. So they weren't rewarding their asset. They were controlling him with blackmail.

Meanwhile, Maxwell's media empire became a vehicle for intelligence operations. In 1989, he partnered with the Soviets to take over pharmaceutical company teva. He acquired ownership of the Jerusalem Post, adding to his control of right-wing Daily Mirror publications. But the real money came from a darker source. According again to Victor Ostrovsky, this is a quote, "The MOSSAD financed many of its operations in Europe with money that was stolen from Maxwell's newspapers pension fund."

The Connection Between Maxwell and Epstein

Ostrovsky claims that MOSSAD gave the money to go ahead and buy the Mirror Group Publishing, and the moment they he got it, they took over all of the pension fund money. Weeks after Maxwell's death, authorities discovered a $560 million hole in the Mirror's pension fund.

Ostrovsky's allegations allegedly confirm Maxwell's most infamous betrayal involved Israeli nuclear technician Mordechai Vanunu who exposed Israel's secret demon nuclear facilities to the world. So that's Vanunu and Dimona. Vanunu took his information to Maxwell's Mirror publications trusting the media baron to help him expose the truth. Instead, Maxwell called the Israelis. Vanunu was lured to Italy, drugged, abducted, secretly transported to Israel, and spent 18 years in prison, including over 11 years in solitary confinement. That's a playbook. Gain trust, exploit secrets, betray those who trust you, serve your handlers above all else.

By the 1980s, according to former MOSSAD agent, who we've previously mentioned in this series, Ari Ben-Menashe, Maxwell was brokering deals between the MOSSAD and the KGB that allowed Israelis to hide money from arm sales to Iran. This is part of the Iran Contra affair, but not the way you learned about it in school. The official story says America shipped arms to Iran to secure hostage releases. But according to Ben-Menashe, it was actually a deal for Israel to arm and train militants in Nicaragua with the cash laundered through Russia via Maxwell's networks.

And here's the key detail to this story. Throughout the 1980s, while Maxwell was orchestrating these international intelligence operations, a young financier named Jeffrey Epstein was a regular to Maxwell's London offices. And we covered this. The one thing Epstein was good at, and it was probably 70% of his operation versus the smaller percentage of the weird gross sex trafficking stuff with underage girls, was doing all sorts of illegal money laundering and hiding money. And that was what he was good at. If half 80% of the people in his damn black book are probably people who committed financial crimes, not sex crimes. [LC: It can be both.] You notice nobody in the media talks about that.

The mainstream media wants you to believe Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell met in the 1990s after Max Robert Maxwell's death. But again, Ari Ben-Menashe tells a Political Manipulation and Blackmail Techniques different story. He claims to have had several meetings with Jeffrey Epstein in Robert Maxwell's office all throughout the 80s, a full decade before the official narrative. Ari Ben-Menashe was explicit. Both Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell quote were agents for Israel unquote.

On November 5th, 1991, Robert Maxwell's body is found floating in the Atlantic. Investigative journalists Gordon Thomas and Martin Dylan alleged that Maxwell quote sealed his fate when he threatened Israeli intelligence leadership to disclose their operations unless they help save his media empire. [LC: That could never happen.] The MOSSAD leadership or Israeli military intelligence reportedly ordered his assassination 3 months later. But here's a detail that should pique your interest. Samuel Piser, Robert Maxwell's lawyer and business representative in France, later held the exact same position for Jeffrey Epstein. So the operation didn't die with Maxwell. It just found new management. And I would argue Ghislaine is still chairman of the board because Ghislaine is at this point the connection between Epstein and intelligence, the go-between. Remember where her father was buried? He's one of the great spy heroes of the land. But maybe a lady isn't, and I use that term loosely, maybe a female isn't the right face for this type of operation. There goes Jeffrey Epstein as candidate number one. So maybe that's how it looked.

So let's jump to February 1997. The Oval Office. President Bill Clinton sits across from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. What Clinton doesn't know is that Israeli intelligence has been listening to his most intimate conversations. And what happens next allegedly becomes one of the most brazen acts of blackmail in presidential history. The Clinton Netanyahu Lewinsky affair isn't just a political scandal. It's a masterclass in how foreign intelligence services allegedly manipulate American presidents and it's a preview of the techniques that Jeffrey Epstein would allegedly perfect.

The Clinton-Lewinsky Affair: A Case Study

So let me walk you through what allegedly happened. According to Daniel Halper's book, and I want to say Halper's book is like a decade old, but all of a sudden some of the things in it are rising to the surface in in some media corners. And this is corroborated by other sources.

By early 97, the Clinton Lewinsky affair was the worst kept secret in elite Washington. Linda Tripp knew, George Conway knew, Anne Coulter knew, Brett Kavanaugh knew, Ken Starr knew, Paula Jones's lawyers knew. If Washington insiders knew, foreign intelligence services definitely knew, and Monica Lewinsky's phone line, unlike the White House, was way easy to tap.

Shortly after Clinton's February 97 meeting with Netanyahu, Clinton's Secretary Betty Curry invited Lewinsky to an Oval Office meeting. Clinton told her he had something important to tell her. And during what would be their final sexual encounter, maybe not during, I'm assuming maybe after or before that part, Clinton told Lewinsky that a quote foreign embassy had tapped his phone and recorded their conversations. He didn't specify which, but the timing immediately after his meeting with Netanyahu, maybe it was Netanyahu. Clinton even suggested a cover story. If confronted with the tapes, they should claim they knew they were under surveillance and the phone sex was just a put on for whoever was listening, which is a great cover story. Let's pretend now I won't waste time on it. So, the president of the United States was allegedly so concerned about foreign surveillance that he developed a cover story for his phone sex conversations.

Fast forward to fall 1998, the White River Summit in Maryland. Clinton is hosting Netanyahu and Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat for crucial Middle East peace negotiations. At 7 a.m., after grueling all night negotiations, Netanyahu approaches Clinton privately. He demands the release of convicted Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard. And so this is where the alleged blackmail happens. Netanyahu doesn't make explicit threats. He doesn't say, "Release Pollard or I'll expose the tapes." And that would be amateurish. Instead, Netanyahu allegedly tells Clinton, "The Israeli government has thrown those tapes away." It sounds innocent, but context is everything. Netanyahu is making it clear he knows about the tapes.

The Role of Epstein in Political Espionage

He's letting Clinton know they exist or existed and could theoretically exist. Again, it's bringing that up at that time speaks more than any part of the exchange.

And that's the same technique that Epstein allegedly used with Bill Gates years later. Allegedly. Allegedly. Epstein didn't directly threaten Gates. Well, no, we've seen this email. He did send an email about Gates affair with a professional poker player asking for some type of like charitable donation, maybe for a scholarship, quote unquote. And the message wasn't pay me or I'll I'll expose you. It was, "I know about this thing," and that's all you need to say.

Some interesting bits here. WSJ is doing great reporting on Epstein of late. [b][size=110]Jeffrey Epstein discovered that Bill Gates had an affair with a Russian bridge player and later appeared to use his knowledge to threaten one of the world’s richest men, according to people familiar with the matter. The Microsoft co-founder met the woman around 2010, when she was in her 20s. Epstein met her in 2013 and later paid for her to attend software coding school. In 2017, Epstein emailed Gates and asked to be reimbursed for the cost of the course, according to the people familiar with the matter. Interestingly the woman (Mila Antonova) and Gates apparently met at a bridge tournament. That just seems so... ordinary. And then years later, Epstein provided her with funding for her coding school and an apartment, and turned around to ask Gates to be refunded for it. At the time, Epstein was trying to set up a multibillion-dollar charitable fund with JPMorgan that would potentially pool money from some of the world’s wealthiest people. Epstein proposed that JPMorgan set up the fund with a minimum $100 million contribution per individual and pay him millions of dollars in fees, the documents show. In addition to the fees, the disgraced financier saw the fund as a way to rehabilitate his reputation, according to people he told of his thinking. It hinged on securing support from Gates, the documents show.

On Oct. 2, [Epstein] sent another email to Staley and Erdoes criticizing a presentation that JPMorgan had prepared on the project. “the presentation , is not tailored to bill.. He is the only person , the only one, that counts.” Seems like he used carrot and stick: trying to convince people to get billionaires what they wanted by connecting them with people he thought could do that for them, and when that failed, blackmailing them:

While he was working on the charitable fund, Epstein met in 2013 with Gates and Norwegian officials who were visitors to Epstein’s townhouse. Epstein told one former Gates Foundation employee that he knew the Norwegians, and could help Gates win a Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts to eradicate polio. When the carrot method didn't work, he tried the stick:

In 2017, Epstein contacted Gates about the Russian bridge player, years after the relationship had ended, according to people familiar with the matter. He sent an email to Gates asking to be reimbursed for the costs of Antonova’s coding school, the people said. The sum was immaterial for the two men and the tone of the message was that Epstein knew about the affair and could expose it, the people said. It doesn't seem he succeeded in actually getting the funding he wanted from Gates, but this part may be the most interesting scoop from the whole article: Days before he died in 2019, Epstein changed his will and named Nikolic as a backup executor. Nikolic said Epstein didn’t discuss the idea with him beforehand, and that he subsequently declined to serve. “He couldn’t have listed Bill because that would have been too obvious, so he chose me,” he said. “I have come to believe it was likely a retaliatory move against Bill Gates.” If Epstein's intent was revenge on Gates by dragging his name through the mud by dint of his association with Epstein, he succeeded. Gates' divorce was initiated right after this info became public and his meeting with Epstein was cited as the major motivator for the divorce, because Melinda Gates' charitable work focuses a lot on women's empowerment and she didn't want her name associated with Epstein. Of course, Nikolic may have been closer to Epstein than he will now admit.[/size][/b]

[url]-- Bill gates email affair with poker player, by Google AI[/url]

CIA chief George Tenet understood exactly what was happening. He told Clinton he would resign on the spot if Clinton agreed to Pollard's release. The CIA had a bipartisan commitment to keeping Pollard behind bars for his espionage against the US. Clinton agreed to review Pollard's case, but didn't release him. Pollard was eventually freed in 2015 under Barack Obama. On the last day of his first term, Trump pardoned Pollard's handler. Today, Pollard is an outspoken supporter of extremist Israeli National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir and has called for the quote full ethnic cleansing of Gaza unquote.

Now, you might ask, why would this blackmail be effective in fall 98 when the Lewinsky affair was already public? Clinton had admitted to the affair in grand jury testimony in August 98. What most people don't understand, the tapes themselves were never public. Clinton admitted to inappropriate intimate physical contact with Lewinsky. He never admitted to recorded phone sex or God knows what kind of embarrassing filth that is in them. The existence of actual recordings that can be transcribed and put into Time magazine, especially in foreign hands, represents a quantum leap in his vulnerability. And the fact that Halper's book casually just inserted this allegation into the narrative, associated with testimony that Lewinsky herself gave to the Ken Starr investigation. And nobody challenged it. Clinton didn't jump up and down. Nobody yelled and screamed. [/b][/size]

The Media's Complicity and Staged Narratives

It seems like perhaps there is credibility to it. The alleged Netanyahu blackmail operation would be crucial to understanding the Epstein story because it demonstrates the exact same methodology. Surveillance of American officials, collection of compromising material, subtle leverage rather than explicit threats, and service to Israeli intelligence objectives among others. But again, this all goes back to the fruit of the Robert Maxwell tree, super spy. So according to all the sources we reviewed, the same networks that allegedly enabled Netanyahu's gambit with Clinton also created, funded, and protected Epstein's operations. 1

980s London, Robert Maxwell's office. According to former MOSSAD operative Ari Ben-Menashe, Jeffrey Epstein is a regular presence here, often arriving, quote, between trips to and from Israel. This isn't the Epstein of popular imagination, the mysterious financier who appeared from nowhere. This is Epstein, the student learning the craft from the master, turning into one of the most effective blackmail operators in modern history. And Ari Ben-Menashe's account directly contradicts the mainstream account. Ari Ben-Menashe's account directly contradicts the mainstream narrative.

The media wants you to believe Epstein met Ghislaine Maxwell in the 90s after Robert Maxwell's death. Ari Ben-Menashe claims he had several meetings with Epstein in the office throughout the 80s. Maxwell allegedly wanted us quote unquote to accept Epstein as part of the group. That's not social networking. That's integration into the business. Ari Ben-Menashe, Maxwell, and Nick Davies, foreign editor of Maxwell's Daily Mirror, were allegedly involved in the transfer and sale of military equipment and weapons from Israel to Iran on behalf of Israeli intelligence during this same time period. Maxwell wanted to involve Epstein in these arms transfers. Although Ari Ben-Menashe claims Epstein wasn't competent, and wasn't accepted by his group, Epstein did manage to develop close ties with several arms dealers in the 80s, including Sir Douglas Lease, who we mentioned, Adnan Khashoggi and Lease was a British arms dealer who again according to sworn testimony from Steven Hoffenberg, allegedly trained Epstein in arms trafficking and money laundering.

The Legacy of Robert Maxwell's Network

So the connections are consistent. Multiple sources, multiple testimonies, all pointing to the same conclusion. Epstein was being trained by established intelligence assets throughout the 80s. Ghislaine Maxwell was also being trained, including Sir Douglas Lease, who we mentioned. Adnan Khashoggi and Lease was a British arms dealer who again, according to sworn testimony from Steven Hoffenberg, allegedly trained Epstein in arms trafficking and money laundering.

Ari Ben-Menashe asserted Ghislaine accompanied her father so frequently that she was involved in his intelligence related activities to some extent. And think about this. While other young women her age were attending university or starting careers, Ghislaine Maxwell was allegedly learning intelligence tradecraft from Israel's most important assets.

Again, back to Hoffenberg testimony, who partnered with Epstein in the tower's financial Ponzi scheme, he later claimed that Epstein boasted of his ties to Israeli intelligence services. Crucially, Hoffenberg stated it was Ghislaine Maxwell who had made the introduction. Even after Robert Maxwell's death in 1991, the networks remained intact. Finnberg maintained ties with the Epstein Maxwell connected networks using quote the same lawyers that Robert Maxwell had used to take over the New York Daily News. When Hoffenberg later tried to buy the New York Post, the operation was way bigger than any one person. It was an infrastructure at this point, a system, a network designed to survive the death or imprisonment of any individual component.

Here's something that is a little terrifying. According to documents that are public, Epstein visited the Clinton White House 17 times between 93 and 95, often accompanied by attractive young women. These are the questions that won't be asked if Bill and Hillary Clinton answer a subpoena to Congress next week that's been sent out. This is where Congress isn't going to go, because those probably weren't social calls.

Epstein had a dramatically underreported relationship with the Clinton White House that pointed towards a major scandal of the Clinton era that has not been revealed or investigated. Many of these meetings, which we covered a couple episodes ago, were with Mark Middleton, who later died under the most ridiculously suspicious circumstances in May 2022. All right, I'll say it. He allegedly hung himself, and then shot himself twice in the chest with a shotgun. Middleton was probably embroiled in foreign espionage activities related to quote illegal fundraising efforts for Bill Clinton's 96 re-election campaign. One of Epstein's 1990s girlfriends, Francis Jardine, who lived in Epstein controlled apartments that used to house underage girls, accompanied him at two at least one of his visits to the Clinton White House. So Jeffrey Epstein is bringing young women, potentially underage women, into the White House while allegedly operating a sexual blackmail network for Israeli intelligence.

The Ongoing Epstein Story and Future Implications

Epstein also attended a political fundraiser for Bill Clinton's 1996 re-election campaign hosted by financier Ron Pearlman who's not, at this point, just connected to power, he's helping finance it. And in April 1995, Epstein's close friend Lynn Forester ,later to become a Rothschild, wrote to President Bill Clinton, using her 15 seconds of access, to discuss Jeffrey Epstein and currency stabilization. "I neglected to talk to you about a topic near and dear to my heart. Currency stabilization," in the same conversation as Jeffrey Epstein being discussed with the president of the United States.

What kind of currency stabilization, like what is his expertise? He didn't graduate from college still. The picture that emerges from these documents, and these are White House foyer releases, it's not just Jeffrey Epstein as a lone predator. It's a Epstein as a potentially sophisticated intelligence asset trained by Robert Maxwell's network, deployed against American political figures, and granted extraordinary access to the highest levels of power. Ari Ben-Menashe was explicit about the mission, saying Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell quote found a niche for themselves blackmailing American and other political figures for the Israelis unquote. He elaborated, quoting again, it's hard for people to understand why Israel would want to get blackmail on American leaders. Israel is blackmailing their leaders in the United States. It was quite a thing. Quite a thing indeed. The systematic compromise of American leadership by a foreign intelligence service using sexual blackmail as a primary weapon. And becoming its most successful graduate. And he's got the entree conversation with all these powerful people and with the reputation where he's known to be really good at money laundering, and hiding money and tax evasion.

Jeffrey Epstein, the perfect student of Robert Maxwell's Academy of Blackmail

So now, August 15th, 2019, 5 days after Epstein's alleged suicide, The New York Post runs a cover story with the headline, The Post finds her, featuring an exclusive photo of Ghislaine Maxwell at an In-N-Out Burger in Los Angeles. The photo shows Maxwell looking relaxed, reading a book, apparently hiding in plain sight. And the message was clear. We found the elusive socialite when law enforcement couldn't. Except it was all theater. The Daily Mail discovered metadata showing the photo was taken by Meadowgate, a company owned by Leah Saffian, who is Ghislaine Maxwell's defense attorney and fixer. The photo was allegedly staged by Maxwell's own team.

The staging likely went deeper than anyone initially realized considering in the background of the photo is a movie poster for good boys. A comedy about the sex lives of pre-teens for Christ's sake. So when investigators checked with outfront, the company that manages bus stop advertising, they were told, "We do not have any records of this good boy's poster being posted there." So the poster was allegedly photoshopped into the image. So this isn't just alibi creation. It's psychological warfare. If that's true, the choice of movie poster about pre-teen sexuality in a stage photo of the alleged madam of a child sex trafficking ring wouldn't be a coincidence.

-- The Book of Honor: The Secret Lives and Deaths of CIA Operatives, by Ted Gup

Maxwell was also photographed reading the book of honor, the secret lives and deaths of the CIA. As one commenter noted, this is just an FU to the public. The New York Post's role in this deception raises disturbing questions about media complicity in intelligence operations. Give me a break. I kind of get the feeling now that the CIA has been in every newsroom since Kennedy's head exploded in Daily Plaza. What if Israeli intelligence had reach into the New York Post's newsroom? What if they're blackmailing somebody there? Cuz it sure looks like that whole release is more of a way to either protect, or be sadistic. I don't know. They can't be that stupid. I digress.

Now political response to the Epstein revelations has been equally telling. And Trump recently called the Epstein revelations a Democrat hoax, stating their new scam is what we will forever call it the Jeffrey Epstein hoax. Like, bro, this has been going on since 2007 under George Bush, you maniac. This isn't a partisan issue. And it's not just about Jeffrey Epstein. And to limit it down, to boil it down to that, is like rudimentary. The people aren't concerned about that. They're concerned with the fruits of Epstein's labor running our country.

And there's like two officials in our whole country who are fighting for transparency. Thomas Massie is one of them. Not coincidentally, he's one of like four or six politicians in the House of Representatives who didn't swear an actual literal oath of allegiance to Israel, which is a thing. He's offered an effort to force a vote on releasing the files. He of course thinks we deserve to know. He thinks it looks like corruption. And so there's these efforts, and some of them meaningful. But the resistance to the transparency tells its own story. I think Trump can wave a wand and release a bunch of documents that he's pretending lower judges are restricting access to. I think he's kind of full of shit.

So the Maxwell Epstein network, it's clearly not just about compromising American officials. It's about hiding the fact that American officials can even be compromised. It's about making sure that this doesn't become a mainstream conversation. I'm terrified at the fact that quote unquote normies and not just crazy uncles with conspiracy theories are now talking about this very subject matter. That horrifies me, because I don't know what lengths the parties involved, will go to avoid the consequences if this all does come to light.

I don't know. Somewhere in an office we can't see, in meetings we're never going to hear about, the next generation of Epstein is being recruited, trained, and deployed with better skills for the internet age. So Epstein wasn't an aberration. He wasn't a lone predator that somehow gained access to the world's most powerful people through charm and mystery. Epstein was a product. Epstein was a weapon. Epstein was part of a system. Epstein was certainly manufactured by intelligence agencies to serve intelligence purposes. Epstein was absolutely protected by prosecutors to maintain intelligence operations.

Look at Alex Acosta. That's a direct quote from a US attorney. "Epstein was intelligence. I was told to leave him alone." And Epstein was eliminated when he became more of a liability than an asset. That's why I think Ghislaine is higher than he is on the org chart.

The victims deserve justice. The enablers deserve prosecution. And the American people deserve to know how their government might allegedly be compromised by foreign intelligence services using sexual blackmail. And until that happens, and until we dismantle the networks that created and protected these operations, the Epstein story isn't over. I lament digging into this. And now that I've started producing it, what I'm obligated to stay alive for another 85 years until the documents come out, because otherwise I think it's just a rat in a maze that doesn't even have cheese in it at this point.

This has been episode three of this whole Epstein experiment. Next go round, we're going to explore the financial networks that funded the operations. We're going to look at potentially where the surveillance infrastructure came from, and ongoing efforts to prevent accountability, plus some of the current events that are going on with Ghislaine being moved. Is she going to be whacked? Is she going to go free? Who knows?

Sources reference include Daniel Halper's Clinton Inc. The audacious rebuilding of a political machine. Victor Ostrovsky's By Way of Deception, the various interviews you can find with former Israeli military intelligence officer Ari Ben Menashe, Whitney Webb's One Nation Under Blackmail volumes one and two. There was a recent investigative report done by Candace Owen into elements of Robert Maxwell's background that was helpful. Steven Hoffenberg sworn testimony. British Foreign Office declassified files from 2003. New York Times reporting on the Pollard summit demand investigative work by Gordon Thomas and Martin Dylan. Of course Whitney Webb I mentioned. And so we'll see you. [Applause]

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Next episode:• pt5 Jeffrey Epstein : Hiding in Israel - Tom the producer continues to explore Jeffrey Epstein, Robert & Ghislaine Maxwell's intelligence legacy, Les Wexner's funding, Israel's history of compromising US politicians, and the complex web of power, corruption, and exploitation surrounding the network.

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He explores the historical context of sexual blackmail as a tool of control, the financial systems that enable such operations, and the modern implications of surveillance and technological control.

The discussion emphasizes the plight of victims and the systemic failures that allow perpetrators to evade justice, ultimately framing the ongoing struggle for truth and accountability in a corrupt system.

takeaways

The Epstein saga is a reflection of systemic corruption.

Virginia Giuffre's death symbolizes the abandonment of victims.

Sexual bl@ckmail has historical roots in American politics.

Financial systems have been weaponized to protect organized crime.

Epstein's network is a legacy of exploitation and control.

Modern surveillance technologies pose new threats to privacy and freedom.

The current cover-up suggests a larger network at play.

Victims are often left voiceless in the pursuit of justice.

The choice between truth and corruption is a societal dilemma.

The human spirit's resilience challenges the power of the corrupt.



Transcript

The Epstein Saga: A System of Control
you're interested in podcasting, you're a lawyer or law firm, visit legalpodcasting.com
or go ahead and fill out the form right here on the NJC criminal podcast. Thank you for listening. Picture this. It's
August 2025 and somewhere in the marble halls of power, the very people who
promised to drain the swamp are now telling us there's no swamp.
They're handing us redacted documents like stale crumbs from a moldy loaf. While the victims of Jeffrey Epstein,
the brave souls who dared to speak truth to power watch their hopes crumble yet
again into the familiar dust of Washington betrayal.
Virginia Jufrey is dead. The woman who stared down princes and presidents who
knocked on doors from coast to coast seeking just one person with the courage
to corroborate. Her shattered reality is gone. And in her absence, we hear the
thunderous silence of Adam Perry Lang, the celebrity chef who fed Epstein's
guests while pretending not to see the parade of broken children served as dessert. We see the calculated theater
of Gizlane Maxwell suddenly being moved to a prison camp. Not the kind of place
where you warehouse a convicted sex trafficker, but rather the sort of minimum security facility where white
collar criminals polish their memoirs. So,
let's peek through this veil of manufactured ignorance. Let's explore how the Epstein operation wasn't some
bizarre anomaly that crawled out of the shadows of South Florida. It was the
logical, inevitable culmination of a system that's been perfecting the art of
power through blackmail for nearly a century.
Welcome to the New Jersey Criminal Podcast. I'm Tom, the producer.
So far in this Epstein series, we've traced his mysterious ascent from
college dropout to inner sanctums of global power. We explored the Maxwell
dynasty and their blueprint for sexual blackmail operations. Uh Meger spoke with Christopher Mog
about Peterborough Airport as the hub of operations for Epstein's
flying circus. In this episode, we're going to dig
deeper into the machinery itself, the intelligence networks, organized crime syndicates, and financial architecture
that didn't just enable Epstein, but created the very ecosystem where his operation could thrive with complete
The Machinery Behind Epstein's Operation
impunity. Because what we're dealing with isn't just a story of one predator. It's the
story of how America's most powerful institutions became weapons of control
wielded by puppet masters who understand that the most effective chains aren't made of iron. They're made of shame,
secrets, and the terrible leverage that comes from knowing what powerful people do in the dark.
Let me start with what we're witnessing right now because it's a masterclass in how power protects itself when the masks
start to slip.
We have Tara Palary, one of the finest investigative journalists on this subject, documenting in excruciating
detail how Epstein's victims are being abandoned. Again,
Virginia Gefrey spent years reaching out to Adam Perry Lang, a chef who traveled
with Epstein to his island, his ranch, his Manhattan mansion, she left him handwritten notes pleading for just one
person to confirm what everyone with eyes could see.
In the words of Grey to Adam Perry Lang, please don't be an
enabler. Be a hero. be a hero to me, Epstein's victims, and the millions of
children who are trafficked every day. Lang never answered, never testified.
Like so many others, he chose silence over courage, comfort over truth. And
now we are watching the same pattern play out on a national scale. Annie Farmer, who testified against
Maxwell, can't even reach the prosecutors who worked her case because Morin Comey, daughter of James Comey,
well, maybe she was fired for the crime of being related to someone who
is an idiot and can't control his impulses when he's on social media.
Or maybe she got fired for being inept and letting Diddy walk and
letting freaking Gizlane Maxwell end up in a country club. Hard to say. I mean, the victims are
writing desperate letters to judges begging not to be left in the dark again, while Maxwell gets quietly
transferred to what amounts to a country club with fences.
Historical Context: Sexual Blackmail and Power
And Anne Coulter offered some insight of all people. Apparently, she
had some dealings with Epstein and had some observations that sort of
cut to the bone related to what we're dealing with. She's a woman who met Epstein before any of this broke, who
was so creeped out by his frivolous attitude about wealth that she had his driver drop her blocks away from her
apartment. She's been covering the story since 2006, and she's absolutely
convinced of two things. first that Epstein was funded by foreign intelligence, likely Israel andor Saudi
Arabia, because the math of private blackmail simply doesn't add up. And
second, that someone with immense power is working very hard to ensure that 300
gigabytes of evidence, including surveillance footage from cameras that were quote all over and particularly in
the bedroom, unquote, that that footage never sees the light of day. So, she's
got a point there, but it's Whitney Webb who provides, and I've mentioned her 20 times in this
series, uh, One Nation Under Blackmail Volume 1 and two. It's awesome. Whitney
Webb, who provides the most chilling context for what we're witnessing. Uh she's been doing a series of recent
interviews, and she points out that many of the people who were brought into Trump's administration
specifically because they'd been vocal about Epstein conspiracies like Dan Bongino or Cash Patel have now been
rolled out to tell us there's nothing to see here. Epstein killed himself. Case closed. Move along. I never thought it
before. As a quick sidebar, I'm starting to wonder if Epstein's dead at all.
Now, the problem is, and this is Web continuing, there's a huge segment of Trump's base that actually cared about
this issue. They believed promises about transparency. They thought the
appointment of these figures meant real accountability was coming. Instead, they got hostage videos and deflection
campaigns about AI generated footage of Obama getting arrested. This isn't just political theater. This
is what happens when the puppet masters realize that one of their own marionets
is getting a little too much public attention. Now,
how sexual blackmail became standard operating procedure.
To understand how we got here, we need to go back to World War II. The moment
when American intelligence learned that the most effective way to control people wasn't through threats or bribes. It was
through shame and secrets. Our story begins with Lucky Luchiano
The Financial Architecture of Corruption
sitting in a New York prison cell facing a 30 to 50year sentence for running prostitution rings. But then something
extraordinary happens. The United States government decides it needs the mob's
help to protect the waterfront from Nazi saboturs. What follows is Operation Underworld,
a formal alliance between American intelligence and organized crime that would fundamentally reshape how power
operates in this country. The man who prosecuted Luchiano was
Thomas Dwey. The man who negotiated his release was Murray Gerin,
an assistant district attorney who just happened to be a colonel in the Office of Strategic Services, the precursor to
the CIA. And when Luchiano was deported to Italy
in 1946, it was not the end of the story. It was the beginning of a transnational
criminal network that was now formally wedded to the American intelligence services.
And here's where it gets truly diabolical. The same networks that were smuggling
drugs and laundering money were also pioneering the use of sexual blackmail as a tool of political control.
Meet Lewis Rosensteel, known as the chairman,
who ran Shenley Distillers and was part of an underworld consortium with Meer
Lansky himself. Rosensteel was obsessed with blackmail. He bugged his offices, his home,
everywhere. He used private detective Fred Otach, the same man who tried to
sexually entrap JFK, to wire his Manhattan mansion from roof to basement.
But Rosen Steel's masterpiece was something called the Blue Sweet parties at the Plaza Hotel in New York.
According to his fourth wife, Susan Kaufman, these weren't just social gatherings. They were elaborate
enttrapment operations involving Roy Conn, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover, and
young blonde boys. Kaufman testified that she personally witnessed Hoover dressed in women's
clothing and a wig introduced by Roy Cohen as Mary engaging in sexual
activities that were carefully photographed. The purpose? Well, Meer Lansky now had
pictures of the director of the FBI in compromising positions. The head of
America's premier law enforcement agency was now a controlled asset of organized crime.
But this is where it gets a bit more insidious. Roy Conn, remember this name because
he'd later become Donald Trump's mentor, admitted to former NYPD detective James
Epstein's Network: A Legacy of Exploitation
Rothstein that his job was quote to run the little boys unquote and set
them up for blackmail to get politicians to quote go along with the program
unquote. He called it part of the anti-communist crusade. But what it
really was was just systematic sexual exploitation of children to control
American politics. And it worked. For nearly 50 years, Jed
Garoover quote repeatedly declined to use the bureau to target organized crime
networks unquote, dismissing it as a local problem. While these same networks
grew so powerful they could essentially purchase entire industries and politicians.
The financial architecture of corruption. Now you might be wondering how does a
criminal network become so sophisticated that it can operate with complete impunity across multiple countries and
intelligence agencies. And the answer lies in understanding how these groups learn to weaponize the
global financial system. Enter Paul Hawwell, an OSS veteran who
became the architect of what can only be described as shadow banking for criminal enterprises.
Hello set up something called Castle Bank and Trust in the Bahamas, which
served as a money laundering hub for organized crime, intelligence operations, and wealthy families who
wanted to evade taxes. the bank's largest depositor,
the Pritsker family of Chicago, whose Hyatt Hotel empire was built on relationships with figures like Sydney
Corsack, Myer Lansky's logical successor, and whose early financing came from operations that were
indistinguishable from lone sharking. But Castle Bank wasn't just about
washing mob money. It was a CIA finance channel for operations against Cuba.
When the IRS tried to investigate the bank's extensive network of tax evasion, the probe was shut down due to quote
pressure from the Central Intelligence Agency unquote, which claimed it would endanger national security.
This is the key insight. The same institutions that were supposed to protect the public from organized crime
were actually protecting organized crime from the public. and they were doing it in the name of quote national security
The Modern Surveillance State and Technological Control
unquote. Now, a name that's come up in previous episodes, the Bronman family, whose
serums liquor empire was built on prohibition era bootlegging, developed
elaborate moneyaundering schemes using Canadian banks, shell companies, and fictitious individuals. They also
allegedly operated hotels that were, according to testimony before the Kavver
committee, actually brothel, the best in the West, allegedly.
When James Rutkin, a bodyguard, testified about these operations, he
turned up dead, having allegedly slit his own throat with a borrowed razor in
1956. So, biographer Terrence Robertson tried
to write critically about the Bronman's died of barbituate poisoning after claiming his life was threatened. And
this is the pattern we see over and over again. Those who try to expose the darker side of these operations tend to
meet unfortunate ends. The direct connection to Epstein's
network. So, how does all of this connect to Jeffrey Epstein?
The answer is both simpler and more terrifying than you might expect.
Epstein wasn't creating something new. He was inheriting and modernizing a
system that had been perfected over decades. Consider the Pritsker family. Nicholas
and Thomas Pritsker appear in Epstein's blackbook with extensive contact details. Their family's wealth
originated in the darker corners of American business. Deings with Sydney
Cororsack using Frontier Finance as a mobrun loan sharking operation and
partnering with Arthur Green who facilitated investments for Meer Lansky.
They were also the largest depositors in Castle Bank and Trust, the CIA protected
money laundering hub we just discussed. Then there's Lesie Wexner, Epstein's
primary benefactor or likely primary benefactor. In the early 1990s, a former
CIA proprietary airline called Southern Air Transport, which had been used to
smuggle drugs and weapons during Iran Contra, relocated to Ohio specifically
to manage cargo for Wexner's limited brand. That's Abbercrombian Fitch. that's
Victoria's Secret and so on. Jeffrey Epstein was directly involved in this
relocation, creating a clear logistical link from historical intelligence, drug
operations to Epstein's network. Henry Crown's son, Lester Crown, later
joined something called the Mega Group, co-founded by Lesie Wexner and Charles
Bronman and mentioned in one of our previous episodes. This wasn't just a philanthropic operation. It was a
The Current Cover-Up and Its Implications
constellation of families with documented ties to organized crime, intelligence operations, and illicit
financial structures, all orbiting around Epstein's world.
But perhaps the most chilling connection is Roy Con himself. The same man who ran
sexual blackmail operations with young boys in the 50s and 60s, became Donald Trump's mentor in the 70s.
Con taught Trump what he called the favor bank system, a method of establishing backroom deals and
political power through mutual compromise. In 1997,
Trump became the controlling shareholder of Resorts International, a company with
historical ties to Meer Lansky and which had been acknowledged as a CIA front
company. Hell, it started as the Mary Carter Paint Company before it turned
into a global hotel operation.
Trump buys into Resorts International, a known CIA front, and he buys Adnan Kosigible's yacht, which we all know
Kosogible was running sexual blackmail operations for decades. When Trump faced bankruptcy in the early 90s, he was
bailed out by Rothschild banking interests, primarily through Wilbur Ross, who later became Trump's Secretary
of Commerce.
Robert Maxwell, an Israeli intelligence asset, and Gizlane's father, was working
for these same Rothschild interests on Wall Street during that period.
Trump was photographed partying on Robert Maxwell's yacht alongside figures with organized crime affiliations.
Maxwell was deeply connected to Russian Ukrainian organized crime figures like Simeon Mulovich, whom Maxwell helped
gain international banking access through Israeli passports.
Man, we can't get through an episode without somebody giving somebody a passport. The pattern's unmistakable.
Epstein isn't just operating in isolation. He is embedded in networks that had been using sexual blackmail,
money laundering, and intelligence connections to control American politics and business for decades.
The modern surveillance state and the Palunteer connection.
So, here's where the story takes a truly dystopian 1984
Terminator Skynet turn. Whitney Webb argues that while everyone's focused on Jeffrey Epstein,
The Victim's Perspective and the Path Forward
we're missing the bigger picture. His operation has been replaced by something
far more pervasive and technologically sophisticated. Enter Peter Teal and Palanteer, which
Web describes as the new Epstein. Palanteer is essentially a resurrection
of the controversial DARPA program called Total Information Awareness, which was supposedly shut down after
public outcry, but was actually privatized to avoid scrutiny. Palunteer now facilitates
pre-rime through predictive policing and has access to vast amounts of personal
data. Let's let me read that to you again. If you weren't horrified, think about these words.
Palunteer facilitates pre-rime through predictive policing. That sounds like
straight up thought police. They have access to vast amounts of personal data, search history,
communication, social media. They can essentially predict what you're going to do before you do it. And they can use
that information to control behavior on a massive scale. It gets worse.
Israeli companies, some co-ound co-unded by Epstein and Teal's Founders Fund, now
manage America's 911 systems through a company called Carbine 911.
Israeli cyber security firms manage US military systems, Department of Homeland
Security operations, power grids, and water supplies. This isn't about espionage. It's
creating a system of total dependence where boycotting or opposing Israel
becomes literally impossible because they control the infrastructure that keeps American society functioning.
Web describes this as a policy advocated by Benjamin Netanyahu and financeier
Paul Singer. make Israeli companies so essential to the American economy and
government that US cannot extricate itself from Israeli influence no matter what Israel does on the world stage.
Ooh, that sounds contemporary.
So, we're not just talking about traditional blackmail anymore. We're talking about technological blackmail. A
system where entire nations can be held hostage not through compromising photos but through control of the digital
infrastructure that modern societies depend on to survive
The Choice Before Us: Truth vs. Corruption
the current cover up and why it matters which brings us back to the present
moment and why this administration's handling of the Epstein files represents
something far more sinister than mere political embarrassment. And Anne Coulter makes a crucial point.
If this were really just about protecting Donald Trump from personal embarrassment, why wouldn't they simply
release everything that doesn't involve him? The fact that they're suppressing 300 gigabytes of evidence, including
surveillance footage that could identify other perpetrators,
suggests they're protecting a larger network. Whitney Webb's theory is that Trump may
be protecting figures who are still very close to him, people with connections to Epstein that have never been publicly
reported. She's begun a series called First Friends, exploring these
connections, starting with Flavio Brié, a longtime Trump friend whose name was
circled in Epstein's black book by his former butler as a potential co-conspirator or material witness.
But there's also the possibility that Trump isn't just protecting friends. He's protecting the entire
system that put him in power in the first place. Consider this timeline. In 2015, the
same year that Epstein's black book was published by Gawker with Trump's name circled as a potential co-conspirator,
several key events occurred. Alfred Rodriguez, Epstein's former
butler, who had circled Trump's name, died in prison under circumstances that
were never investigated. Peter Teal began suing Gawker into
oblivion. Trump announced his candidacy for president
and Teal and Epstein began meeting regularly. Put that all together and you can take away the message that those who
threaten to expose the network face consequences while those who serve its interests are rewarded.
The victim's perspective and the path forward. So perhaps the most heartbreaking aspect
of this entire saga is how the victims have been systemically abandoned at
every crucial moment. As Terrapal Mary documents, Annie Farmer and other
survivors are writing desperate letters to the Justice Department, begging not to be left in the dark again. They
remember what happened in 2008 when a secret nonprosecution agreement was signed behind their backs, dropping
Epstein's potential federal charges from 60 to zero.
They see Maxwell being moved to a minimum security facility and they know exactly what it means. The system is
preparing to let her walk. Arguably the crulest irony is that
Virginia Gefrey died believing that justice might finally be possible.
She had hoped that powerful people, Trump, Elon Musk, might finally release the files that would vindicate her
story, help other victims. Instead, she did live to see those same
figures weaponize her suffering for political theater,
then discard the cause entirely when it became inconvenient.
That's not a statistic or a case study. That's a human being whose childhood was
stolen, whose trust was shattered. These are people whose entire adult lives have been shaped by this trauma and this
ongoing coverage and largely inflicted by people who should have been protecting them, not
Epstein and Maxwell. And so now they're watching the very institutions that are
supposed to deliver justice actively work to ensure their abusers remain protected.
The Epstein network understood something most people don't. The most effective way to control someone isn't to threaten
them with violence. Is to make them complicit in their own degradation. To make them believe they
can choose their fate.
To make them so ashamed of what was done to them that they police themselves. This is why so many victims never come
forward. It's why those who do are immediately attacked and discredited.
The system doesn't just protect perpetrators. It actively cultivates an
environment where victims become their own jailers.
The choice before us. We stand at a crossroads that would have
been familiar to our founders who understood that power without accountability
inevitably becomes tyranny. That secrecy without oversight inevitably becomes corruption.
And that justice delayed is justice denied.
The Epstein network wasn't an aberration. And it was the logical endpoint of a system that has spent
decades learning how to weaponize our institutions against us.
It took the tools of democracy, intelligence agencies, law enforcement,
the financial system, and the media, turned them into instruments of control
for an unaccountable oligarchy that views ordinary Americans as cattle to be
managed, not citizens to be served.
It seems, however, with the uproar, the activity, the fact
that our last video got 10,000 views in 24 hours,
that people care. And the human spirit's stubborn refusal to accept that this is
simply how it works is a real problem for them.
They're not counting on people like Virginia Guay who spent her final years knocking on doors. They didn't count on
journalists like Tara Palmer and Whitney Webb. They didn't count on investigators like
even Anne Coulter coming and has been telling this story for pushing 20 years.
And they certainly didn't count on ordinary Americans who are just tired of
being told the sky is green. Shut up. The sky is green.
And nobody likes the idea of children suffering while their abusers get richer and more powerful.
Yeah, I'd say people are at their end of the rope end of their rope with this. It's between truth and lies, justice and
corruption. A society that protects it most vulnerable members and one that
feeds them to predators. The Epstein files may never be released.
I don't think they're going to be released in our lifetime. 300 gigabytes of evidence that may remain locked away
or be altered from its original form in some effective way. Delane Maxwell may
walk free, but the truth has a way of surviving even when the most determined
efforts are made to bury it, especially when it's just clear straight up
[ __ ] And every time somebody refuses to look away or raises a ruckus, refuses to let
these victims be forgotten, I think this network's power diminishes
just a little bit. And I think that's where we are today. And I think that's a dangerous place. You know, I think we're going to hear
about aliens or a a nuclear attack somewhere. I think the I think the parties involved,
without being specific, I think they'd let off a nuke before they'd let this
truly come to light. So, I think right now the best we can do
is remember, investigate, support journalists and researchers doing this work. Hold your representatives
accountable when they claim there's nothing to see here. Teach your children to recognize signs
of predatory behavior. Understand that powerful people don't automatically deserve trust or protection. Looking at
you, Bill Gates, you vax Nazi freak. And most importantly, we can refuse to let
the victims of Jeffrey Epstein, Gileain Maxwell, and all the unnamed co-conspirators who remain protected
fade into the darkness that powerful people prefer. The puppet masters may control the
strings of power, but they don't control the human spirit. Virginia Guprey is gone, but her voice
remains. Children traffic through Epstein's network may never get their day in
court, but their stories still have power. And the truth is still
overwhelmingly buried between years of classification and legal protection.
But it's creeping out and people are losing their
minds. And in the end, that might be enough.
This has been the NJ Criminal Podcast. Keep asking questions, keep demanding
answers, keep your head down. Uh, in a democracy, people are supposed
to be the ones pulling the strings. Uh, we've got some research uh, credits
here. I took uh from Terara Palm Mary's recent investigative podcast on the
Terara Paul Mary show. Uh Anne Coulter's interview was just a few days ago on the Winston Marshall podcast. Winston
Marshall is the former like ukulele player for Mumford and Sons. Uh
just throwing that in there for no particular reason. Whitney Webb's appearance on the Bad Faith podcast and
her book One Nation Under Blackmail. extensive documentary evidence about organized crime, intelligence
operations, financial corruption networks spanning from World War II to the present. You're interested in
podcasting, you're a lawyer or law firm, visit legalpodcasting.com or go ahead and fill out the form right
here on the NJCAP podcast. Thank you for listening.
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Part 5 of __

pt5 Jeffrey Epstein : Hiding in Israel
NJ Criminal Podcast
Premiered Aug 19, 2025 NJ Criminal Podcast

Next episode: • pt6 Jeffrey Epstein : A Bit Of A Pattern | Tom the producer continues to find appalling information on #JeffreyEpstein - focusing on recent developments, including the #LasVegas arrest of Tom Alexandrovich, a high-ranking Israeli #cybersecurity official, for pred@tory behavior towards m!nors.

The discussion highlights patterns of individuals fleeing to Israel to evade justice, the implications of Israeli citizenship laws, and the intersection of intelligence agencies and legal loopholes that allow such behavior to persist.

The conversation concludes with reflections on the potential future of the case and the broader implications for #justice .

takeaways

The Epstein scandal continues to reveal new layers of pred@tory behavior.

Recent arrests highlight a troubling pattern of evasion of justice.

Israeli citizenship laws are exploited by fugitives to avoid prosecution.

Tom Alexandrovich's case exemplifies the ongoing issues within the justice system.

There are numerous cases of p3dophiles returning to Israel and reoffending.

The law of return grants instant citizenship, complicating extradition efforts.

Epstein's own flight to Israel post-conviction raises serious questions.

Intelligence agencies may be aware of these individuals yet take no action.

The comfort level of offenders in the U.S. is alarming given their backgrounds.

The conversation underscores the need for systemic change in handling such cases.



Transcript

Welcome back to our series on Jeffrey
Epstein, the scandal, the cover up. If
you're a lawyer or a law firm or legal
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new episodes.
And I've got breaking news.
More
boy, I need to start using code words so
the YouTube videos don't get taken down.
So
more predatory behavior towards minors.
the arrest of Tom Alexandovich in the
Henderson, Nevada, Las Vegas sting
operation. He's the head of Israeli
cyber security directorate and he wanted
to have
his fun with a child under the age of 16
caught stone cold red-handed. The head
of Israelis
cyber security directorate was trying to
do it with a child.
This is five days ago in Nevada. 6 days
ago in Nevada, his arrest. In the
meantime,
this is a bit of a pattern.
This has happened before. This isn't the
first time Israeli citizenship, frankly,
is figured into a story about men or
women accused of praying on children.
Let's talk about Malta Lifer,
a school principal in Melbourne who was
charged with 74 counts of child sex
abuse. She fled to Israel in 2008 and
for more than 12 years, she avoided
extradition until finally being sent
back in 2021 to face trial. sources are
the Guardian February 9th article uh
2023.
We've got Gersian Crer, a Brooklyn
principal who fled to Israel in 2010
after being accused of abusing young
relatives. He lived there for over a
decade before returning to the US,
pleading guilty and receiving 9 years in
prison.
Meanwhile,
there's also stats on a myriad, I want
to say 50 to 60 pedophiles who've gone
back to Israel with dozens of them
reaffending. So, Israel lets pedophiles
come back, gives them shelter, and then
lets them reaffend before
or if they even take action. And a CBS
news investigation found case after case
specifically that was uh how Jewish
American pedophiles hide from justice in
Israel is the CBS story.
Even Jeffrey Epstein
himself when he was convicted of sex
crimes. Guess what the first thing
Jeffrey Epstein did after his sex crime
conviction? because his passports
weren't taken away. I'll give you a
moment to guess what he did.
Ding. He immediately ran to Israel after
his 2008 conviction when astonishingly
his passport wasn't revoked. Not even
his fake passports apparently weren't
revoked.
Vanity Fair's Vicky Ward reported that
dinner table chatter all over New York
revolved around Epstein absconding to
Israel and he he later confirmed he had
gone joking.
Would you want to live in Israel?
That's a Vanity Fair news article from
May08 by Vicky Ward who's done
incredible Epstein reporting
Spanish accounts citing her which
I'll get into that in a subsequent
episode and a Rolling Stone describe
Epstein visiting Israel in April08
touring military sites and meeting
researchers
sparking speculation he was considering
staying. This is postconviction
for child
X crimes.
Trying so hard to remember all the words
that are going to get this shut down on
YouTube.
Uh TRT World Reporting suggested
Epstein was also meeting with
intelligence ties at that time. Uh
source TRT.global.
So the legal loophole, why does this
happen?
Well, the law of return grants instant
Israeli citizenship to Jews worldwide. A
law critics say has been
not surprisingly exploited by fugitives.
You can see uh jacobin.com
February 2023 Israel law of return
article. And after the Samuel Shinbomb
case in the 1990s when an American teen
murderer escaped to Israel, extradition
laws were tweaked, but the gaps remain
like Swiss cheese.
You can find a ton of info on Sam Samuel
Shine Bomb in that case. So, let's
return back to where we started. Tom RTM
Alexandrovich, Israeli cyber official
caught in a Nevada child sex sting. And
today he's not in a Nevada jail. He's
awaiting trial in the US. He's back home
in Israel, out on $10,000 bail, poultry,
on administrative leave from his job,
house arrest. He's home watching Judge
Judy.
He's facing no visible repercussions.
So, we've seen this before. Predators
swing to Israel. Legal systems tied in
knots. Survivors waiting decades for
justice. But you get to watch this one
play out from the very from the tip. I
mean, you get to watch every minute of
this game with Alexanderich
cuz I know I'm telling these stories and
using big names and trying to tie this
nebulous web together and using all
these examples through time. And here's
one in real time. just watch it like
current events.
Now, here's the craziest
is apparently,
and I'm going to share this uh reporting
from breakingpoints.com.
One of this I'll put just up here on the
screen. You can see Tom Alexanderich,
the date and the time of his arrest,
which was August 6, 2025. uh you will
see that he was charged with luring a
minor using tech uh technology. Some of
the details guys here is that it's a
classic kind of undercover sting
operation uh run by the FBI child task
force and the Nevada Internet Crimes
Against Children Task Force that was a
joint operation that they launched on a
August 6. What we learn effectively is
that an undercover operative began to
pose as a 15year-old girl on two
different apps. One of them is called
Pure and later on using WhatsApp. Uh
what they found is that Tom
Alexandervich engaged in a conversation
with what he believed to be a
15-year-old female juvenile and quote
spoke about sexual contact with that
minor. The user then later agreed to
meet the decoy at a predetermined
location. The sexual conduct included
quote bringing a condom and taking the
decoy to Cir Dole in Las Vegas uh where
this happened. Meaning photograph
communicating with the decoy juvenile
were obtained the suspect advised they
would be arriving in an Uber.
Quote while the undercover operative was
in contact with the subject being made
aware in the area of the predetermined
location. Task force operators contacted
this person uh who they knew to be
arriving. Uh, quote, "Every attempt was
made to positively identify that user
that had agreed to sexual conduct. That
subject was then identified as Tom
Alexandervich prior to being contacted."
So, I'm just sharing the circumstances
here uh that this all went about. You
know, first of all, as we could see uh
in the in the details, sorry, of the
document, you could see very clearly
that he engaged in conduct with somebody
or in contact, sexual contact, and
agreed to meet that juvenile who he
believed was 15 years old for sex. What
transpires next is actually just so
crazy. So, I'm gonna read here.
I recorded this whole episode before I
found out this next part.
This makes me sick.
Again, exclusively from the documents.
What they say is that Alexander was
placed under arrest. Uh he was uh
transported to the Henderson Police
Department due to the affforementioned
facts. They say they determined based on
the undercover communications with pure
the phone number and everything that
Alexanderich did indeed, you know,
arrive at this location with the intent
to have sex. What then follows is an
extraordinary interview with a lot of
claims being made that undermine a lot
of what we are now learning. So what
they say is that quote upon Alexander's
arrival he engaged in a recorded
interview and he waved his Miranda
rights as they say very clearly. The
interview was then conducted at 200
hours on August 6, 2025. Alexander said
that his native language is Russian and
Hebrew. He agreed to speak and fully
understands English. He waved his
Miranda rights. He advised uh due quote,
"Due to being from Israel, the Israeli
consulate would be notified." So, do you
guys see immediately they're talking
about notifying the Israeli government?
This matters because the Israeli
government initially denied Alexanderich
had ever been placed under arrest when
the police department is saying here
explicitly that he is of course being
notified to the Israeli consulate. They
say quote Alexander is from Israel and
is visiting for a black hat conference,
works for the Israeli government agency
and has so for approximately 14 years.
He stated he's never been arrested and
he's not familiar with the consequences
of not speaking to or not speaking to US
authorities. Alexander has stated he has
a meeting with the NSA tomorrow and had
met several bureau people and NSA people
over the past week. So, let me just
underscore that this man is here in our
country on behalf of the Israeli
government to meet with the NSA and with
the FBI and in the meantime gets caught
up in an FBI sting operation where he is
allegedly, I guess, you know, for the
legal record trying to meet up with a
15-year-old girl. uh for sexual contact.
The man is in the country hanging out
with the organizations that literally
record every phone call that is made
the NSA.
And he's comfortable enough to run
around using his cell phone
in attempts
to have X with minors.
The the hubris
is
excruciating.
Here's what I know.
If you're an American and you're in
Israel, if you're an American and you're
in Italy, if you're an American and
you're in Germany and you're meeting
with
their intelligence agencies
and you're from a you're the head of a
department or a security department for
the US and you're visiting those
countries,
they're following you.
They might be listening to your freaking
calls.
The idea that this guy's comfortable
enough to come to the United States of
America,
put his name, face,
and identity into the mix with
our most secret intelligence or
one of our more secret intelligence
agencies,
plus the FBI.
And he's so unconcerned with anyone
paying attention to him while he's here
that it's the right time for him to
exercise his impulses for
hideous
behavior with minors.
If you've never read a book about
intelligence or CIA or FBI, like I I
forgive you if if that does if you're
like, why is that so weird to him?
That's outlandish
to me
that he would have that level of comfort
considering
his interactions in real time at that
time. That's unbelievable.
Um, I'll continue. They say Alexanderish
described the bureau agents who he'd
been talking to. He stated he was at the
conference to learn. He said he's in the
approximately the United States three
months ago. Stated he comes to the
approximately the United States three
two to three times a year. Say he'd use
the international phone number to chat.
Stated he did not remember the name of
the girl he was chatting with, but he'd
met her on the Pure application.
Alexander stated he had photos of
himself on Pure. Could not recall if he
had sent them by the application. Yeah,
sure. Um stated that he uses the name
quote Adam on dating apps. stated that
he had agreed to go on dinner and show
with a date. Then he does the classic to
catch a predator. Stated he believed the
girl was 18 years old. That was age
listed on the pure application. Stated
he felt that the girl quote pushed him
to talk about bringing a condom yet
could not remember how many times quote
the girl had pushed him. Stated quote he
was embarrassed for being arrested. This
is where things get very interesting
guys. Quote question how much bail would
cost while he was under arrest. They
also said that he stated he would need
his glasses. stated that he had family
members phone numbers memorized, stated
that he was in shock and someone he
needed to contact immediately about his
international flight back to Israel.
Alexander stated he did not know the
numbers for the Israeli government.
Stated that his family was in Israel.
Stated it was very very important to get
his number. Stated that his phone does
not have a password but uses both his
right thumbrint and stated he did not
need the following numbers from his
phone. They list them here. Importantly,
Alexander stated if he could message his
family or make a call to the embassy.
They stated that would not be possible
right now and stated that he eventually
would like to participate in a
polygraph. So, those are the details uh
that I could share with all of you. It
really is stunning, right? Um because
what we learn from that is that he is
immediately advised, right? That he
immediately is advised that they're
going to contact the Israeli consulate.
He starts emphasizing first of all he
does the classic predator stuff about oh
I didn't even know she was 15 she pushed
me etc whatever he can litigate that in
court but he is here to meet with the
NSA and with the FBI. Now remember they
say that he was not here uh he did not
claim diplomatic immunity or anything.
That is what is indicated currently in
the arrest record at least so far from
what we have seen. But it is obviously
made clear that Alexanderich immediately
is identified as an Israeli national as
Israeli government employee. All of this
is very important because right now
every single other person who has been
arrested in this sting operation has a
criminal complaint filed against them.
Now as of right now that I'm speaking to
all of you, keep in mind this is late at
night here on on Monday. There has not
yet been a criminal complant complaint
filed against Alexandervich, which is
very questionable given the
circumstances. He does have a court date
appearance on August 27th. Obviously, we
don't know yet if he's going to return
from Israel to face charges, but this is
an
I'll be very interested to see if that
court date on the 27th remains or comes
and goes or
nothing will surprise me.
I won't be surprised if Alexander ends
up dead because his timing is so bad. I
won't be surprised if Alexander ends up
being a sacrificial lamb because there
happens to be so much light on this
topic right now
and that maybe they actually do let him
get prosecuted. And I certainly
will be surprised the least
if nothing happens to Alexanderich.
I'm going to leave it with that. Get it
published before the story changes
entirely in the next two hours.
There's more to come. We've got upcoming
segments on Epstein, Prince Andrew,
more Maxwell stuff. Man, this is
uncomfortable to look too.

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Part 6 of __

pt6 Jeffrey Epstein : A Bit Of A Pattern
NJ Criminal Podcast
Premiered Aug 21, 2025 NJ Criminal Podcast

Full #Epstein #Playlist:• pt1- Was Jeffrey Epstein A Spy? - This is getting uncomfortable.

Tom The Producer taps a call with attorney Meg McCormick Horner, discussing various topics including the Epstein case, 9/11, and upcoming coverage.

Full Epstein Coverage:

takeaways

This episode was unplanned and spontaneous.

The conversation shifted to 9/11 facts and theories.

There are many unanswered questions about 9/11.

The #Epstein case has many legal implications.

Content creation is becoming increasingly challenging.

YouTube has strict content guidelines.

There is potential for high viewership on Epstein-related topics.



Transcript

The thing that concerns me is this thing
that happened with this dude uh last
week in LA.
Okay, so that's at Las Vegas and it's
Tom Alexanderich and that's worse than
you think. Guess who he had meetings
with while he was in town getting
arrested for soliciting youth?
Who?
NSA, FBI.
What? Oh my god.
All right, so this is an unplanned
episode. I got a phone call from the
founder of this podcast, Me McCorm, who
I started recording four or five years
ago. And we're talking and I found a
couple details I didn't put in the last
video about the arrest in Las Vegas with
Tom Abraamovich or whatever the hell
that scumbag's name is. And so I wanted
to share that, mention a few other
things cuz Meg had questions. So I
wanted to share her questions and my
answers. And then uh if you haven't,
please subscribe, hit that little bell
icon so you actually get some alerts
when we put new stuff out. And uh meet
my buddy Meg Mccor Mcer. She's also
episode two in the Epstein playlist. She
did the interview with author
Christopher Mag about Epstein running
his headquarters so to speak or base of
operations out of Teterboro Airport in
Essex County, New Jersey. Meg digs into
some Epstein content when we close with
some uh 911 factoids for no particular
reason whatsoever. And this is a a
little placeholder while I work on our
next long form expose which should be
coming out in the next day or so.
Um I just wanted to give you a call
back. The idea of linking it to human
trafficking and that conversation is a
good one. I do.
Yeah. We're up to 60,000 now. That video
alone has gotten over a thousand new
subscribers.
Oh me. A thousand.
Are you kidding me?
I'm going to listen to it right now.
I don't even think it's my best expose.
I don't
Is it? You think it's the title?
So, the pace didn't increase when I made
the title Jeffrey Epstein hiding in
Israel. And I knew people were going to
think that meant I was going to tell it
do an episode about Jeffrey Epste hiding
in Israel. It is about that, but not in
the way they thought. They think I'm
saying he's there now when they click.
I'm saying how the [ __ ] does a guy get
convicted? Does you'll listen and hear
this part, but how does he get convicted
back in '08?
And the first thing he does, Meg, with a
passport that hasn't been revoked is he
runs to Israel postconviction. First
thing he does is go to Israel to figure
out what he's going to do.
The thing that concerns me is this thing
that happened with this dude uh last
week in LA. Okay, so that's that's um
Las Vegas and it's Tom Alexanderich. And
that's worse than you think. Guess who
he had meetings with while he was in
town getting arrested for soliciting
youth?
Who?
NSA, FBI.
What? Oh my god.
Are they going to say that he was like
part of the sting? Is that what they're
going to try to say? too late. I I
speculated in that same vein, but he was
supposed to have a hearing on the 27th.
That's never going to happen. He's home
in Israel playing an Xbox
um house arrest and like on leave from
his job, but for FYI. So, this is one
thing I didn't cover in that episode cuz
I didn't find out till later, but the
Nevada
assistant AG or the prosecutor who let
him go back to Israel,
I'll give you one guess
what country she holds a passport from.
Not well, I don't know where. Israel.
Winner winner chicken dinner. Yeah,
that's that's
that's unfucking believable. What is
going on, dude?
Yeah, that's crazy.
It's it's it's just I wish I'd have done
Lindberg or something at this point
because what am I I keep everywhere I
look, it's something really effing
uncomfortable. I'm They're going to find
me in the ditch. It's I had a lead come
in today by email uh for a private
investigator wants to podcast. Shout out
whoever that was. I think his name is
William. But um I've got more Epstein
stuff ready to go. I did something I
think it was on Prince Andrew and then
on the 65.
Can you like I mean maybe you can can
you monetize this? Can you start like
getting money from YouTube? How does
that work?
Oh well participant lawyers
private investigators. I I think the
content is still too risque. The answer
is we need 50 to 70 billion views to
make 50 cents because we're talking
about always
things I got to bleep out. Murder ped
goddamn disments.
I mean, so I think I did just start the
channel on Rumble and some other places
that don't have the restrictions that
YouTube does on content, but like
YouTube is so restrictive I can't even
tell some of the story on YouTube.
Yeah, that surprises me. I felt like you
could put anything on YouTube.
Oh, YouTube's terrible. Jesus. Three
years ago, you couldn't talk about
natural immunity on YouTube for Christ's
sake.
Yeah,
that's crazy.
They're
Well, you really start uncovering
uncomfortable truths.
It It will be interesting to see who
starts reaching out to you.
I mean, we're smoking true crime,
criminal law, and anything New Jersey
lawyer, legal, law firm podcast. So,
anybody who wants to just even hell
[ __ ] about the Lindberg kidnapping,
[ __ ] about anything New Jersey
related, especially if they're willing
to talk about anything Epstein or
trafficking related, I might deal them a
50und,000 view episode out of the gate.
Yeah. So, I'm not worried about YouTube
being okay with what we do.
and advertisers being happy that they're
on it. I think we get lawyers, law
firms, and so forth to participate and
I'm going to keep cranking out.
Yeah.
Yeah. What do you have going?
Oh, I got to You know what? I I just
have to record a little intro. I'll do
the
Jesus done. I can keep forgetting about
it. I can wait for when we're slow on NJ
Criminal, which seems like it's never
going to be. I'm glad you got uh
Christian Bar snuck in there.
Yeah, that's a good episode, I think.
Yeah, I'm I saw you put that on the
beacon. I'm glad you did. That's good.
Oh, that's Yeah, that's perfect for the
beacon.
Yeah. So, I'm not I'm not counting any
chickens, but I'll give you the
Yeah,
I'll give the update from the start of
the column now.
Holy [ __ ] 5,000 hours of watch time.
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
Crazy.
Holy. Well, that's I mean, I think we're
at 20 23,000
hours of watch time for the year then.
Now,
just on long videos, FYI.
Well, I'll tell you one thing. You got
911 right around the corner. If you can
tie Epstein to 911, you'll be like
through the roof.
Oh
Jesus, Meg. There's there's 911 stuff to
do. I mean, when you've got the American
like architecture association saying,
"Yeah, buildings don't fall like that."
When you basically got every physics
professor in the world saying none of
that could have happened. You've got
video from that morning all morning long
of people saying there's explosions
going off throughout the buildings.
You've got video of as the building's
falling,
precursor explosions
24 floors below, and then you've got all
throughout the rubble, you've got 45°
angle cuts on these giant steel beams.
Furthermore, for 5 weeks after 9/11, you
have 1,600 2,000 degree fires lingering
under the building that speak to
some very interesting theories. But I
mean, don't even get me started. If I
could do two hours on the freaking
passport that they found on the sidewalk
a couple blocks away
that's made out of a clearly a stronger
material than either one of the towers
or either one of the airplanes because
it survived that
[ __ ]
The fact that every airport involved had
cameras everywhere. We've still never
seen a single frame of footage of a
single hijacker at those airports on 911
2001. There's not a single picture that
exists of them from that morning at any
of the airports. George Bush's cousins
security company had the contract for
every airport involved in a 9/11 flight.
George Bush's cousin security company, I
believe, had the contract for the Twin
Towers. The only day that Larry
Silverstein didn't show up for work was
9/11 2001. Um he's the uh guy who
held the lease or owned the buildings.
Yeah. And so then you've got a block of
building that's maybe onetenth of the
entire building. So take in your hands a
block of ice that's onetenth
the mass of the rest of the ice. smash
the rest of the ice with that onetenth
mass that you have in your hand. You can
only smash one10enth worth of the ice
with onetenth worth of the ice. That
piece of ice in your hand crumbles into
godamn nothing. The same way that the
upper 15 floors of a building would as
it destroyed 15 floors below it.
Particularly considering the
construction in the upper floors of the
building was the lightest material, the
thinnest material and the construction
progressing downward became heavier
systematically in section after section.
The strength and gauge of the beams was
heavier for a million reasons that exist
in physics. So now your ice you're
holding in your hand that only equals
1/10enth of the mass isn't even as
strong as most of the mass you're going
to try and break with it. That's the
physics of 911 as far as the Twin Towers
are concerned. And building 7's an even
dumber [ __ ] story. So yeah, maybe
we'll cover that.
Where were you living on in uh 2001?
Bon, New Jersey at the top of a hill
from which I could see the Twin Towers.
That was like the big thing from my
porch was like I could sit on my front
porch and look at the Twin Towers. So,
um I was at work that day. First words
out of my mouth, by the way, just so you
know how how long a conspiracy guy I am.
The first words out of my mouth on 911
were Osama bin Laden.
I [ __ ] you not. Um Osama bin Laden. And
now I'm not sure that that's the truth.
Mhm. Well, right. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I
don't know.
I know what's not the truth.
I would like to know where Epstein was
on 911.
That's so funny.
Right. I'm going to go listen to this.
All right. Talk to you later.
Yeah.
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Extended interview: Epstein, Maxwell survivors and families speak out in exclusive interview
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Sep 2, 2025 #JeffreyEpstein #GhislaineMaxwell #Exclusive

In an NBC News exclusive interview with Hallie Jackson, a group of Epstein survivors and their families came together to speak out. Among them was a woman sharing her story publicly for the first time, describing the abuse she says she suffered at the hands of Jeffrey Epstein.



Transcript

Tonight, as you can see, just really
within the last couple of hours, I sat
down exclusively with one the biggest
group of survivors and their family
members brought together at the same
time. Some of these people had never met
each other before, including a woman who
has never before come forward to share
her story about the abuse she says she
faced at the hands of Jeffrey Epstein. I
want to play for you now my conversation
with these individuals. You're hearing
for the very first time right here on
NBC News. Now,
a show of hands here. If if you or
somebody you love was abused or
trafficked by Jeffrey Epste or Galain
Maxwell,
all of you.
So, given that you are here together,
the nine of you in this room in this
what feels like a show of solidarity,
why why did you decide to come here
today,
Jess?
I'm coming here because uh there's been
a severe miscarriage of justice, a delay
in accountability, and we've all come
together beautifully and tragically
um which feels healing and devastating
all at the same time to speak out and to
be fueled by each other's voices in a
way that I don't know that we've had the
opportunity to in the past. Beautifully
said.
I'm here for the same reasons, but for
me, the most important thing is
accountability.
My whole mission is to get somebody or
the majority of the people um to be held
accountable for what they did and what
we've all been suffering through for the
last, you know, 15, 20 years.
Mara, you're somebody who has spoken
publicly about your experience before.
What does it mean to you to be sitting
alongside eight other people in telling
your story and in being here?
I mean, today, I mean, I didn't think I
would be here six years later from when
I was here in 2019.
Um,
I guess I just like to say that, you
know,
I'm sorry. It's always a bit
nerve-wracking to speak on camera like
this, but I mean,
um, you know, I just want to say that
the government has failed us. I mean,
Maria Farmer reported this in 1996
and now there's a pending lawsuit where
hopefully there will be some
accountability.
Yeah.
Jennisa, how about you?
Um, I'm here once again speaking our
truth and um kind of beside myself that
we're even having to do this again
because they never did what they should
have done in the beginning. So now here
we are having to do interviews like this
to get our voices out there because they
didn't just listen to us the first time
we said it.
That must feel frustrating.
Extremely.
The the idea of repeating having to do
this again and again. Did you ever think
you'd have to?
No.
I mean, in 2019 when I spoke up and went
public on what had happened to me in
2003
at 14 years old was something that I
should have never had to have done in my
life. It should have been taken care of
care of and handled from the beginning
and been investigated properly to
so we wouldn't have had to be at this
point. You know, I should have never had
to put my face on camera so that someone
would listen to me.
I want to first get to Sky and Amanda
and Danny who are here representing your
sister
Virginia Frey.
Danny, what message Sky? What message
does it send to to be here with this
group in this what, as Liz described,
this almost show of strength?
Sorry. Um, she should be here. Um,
I am so honored to be here with
with you guys. Um, she she would be
here. She'd be screaming, you know, and
I think, you know, they said it best.
It's like if I could really say what,
you know, what we're looking for out of
this is justice, looking for
accountability. And I think it's, you
know, we really have to start
questioning what do we stand for.
So, you know, it means the world to be
here with you, all of you. And, you
know, I think this is only the beginning
of
what's really to come because showing a
force like this,
they have to listen now.
Some of you had not met before today. Am
I right in understanding that?
This is your first time for some of you
meeting each other.
Sorry.
No, that's okay. No.
And Wendy. Yeah. Take a beat.
No. Because this is your first time.
Um, you have never before spoken
publicly about your experience.
Correct.
I'm going to ask you to share some of
your experience. Now, what were your
interactions with Jeffrey Epstein. What
can you tell us?
Um, my interactions, if you guys have
followed or know Jenna's story, Jenna is
my one of my best friends from middle
school, I would say. Um, and it's pretty
much the same story in in that aspect.
Um,
how old were you?
I was 14.
And how did you first encounter either
Jeffrey Epstein or Julie Maxwell?
Um, through friends. It was very normal,
I guess. Through friends.
And where were you? This was in Florida.
Yes.
And did you go to the home in Palm
Beach? Can you tell me a little bit more
about that?
Uh, yes. I went to the home in Palm
Beach.
Okay. And what were you involved in
there? What did he ask you to do?
Um, I'm not really comfortable answering
that. It's the same as if you if you
follow the story, you know what I was
asked to do?
How did you extract yourself from from
this abuse?
Um, I I moved very quickly. My family
moved me out of Florida. So, I was I
exited that world and had no access to
it thankfully.
And how did you cope with that trauma?
Um,
you just put it behind you and don't
think about it.
Is that what you did?
Yeah. Until it was brought up that, hey,
this is a big deal in 2019, I think. Um,
this is a real big deal. and it's your
truth. So, here's what's happening and
that's
it. Sounds like you almost buried
Jeffrey Epstein's memory, his name.
Oh, absolutely.
And then all of a sudden, all these
years later, here it comes back into the
public spotlight again. What was that
like for you?
It's uh
So, I had never really thought about it,
I guess, because I
just put it behind you. didn't talk
about it, didn't think about it,
nothing. And it was kind of like uh
okay, now you have to heal from this.
Now you have to address it and face it
for the first time ever. Like this is
real.
It's almost like you're in denial maybe.
No, I just at that point like I'm 30. It
had I had moved on. I I had a career,
you know, a family
and now it's like, okay, well,
it's the truth and it's my truth. So,
it's time to start processing through
that.
At the time, did you tell any of your
family members what had happened to you
with Epstein?
At that time that No.
After did you?
No.
When did you finally tell if you have to
I assume to this point told family
members?
Yes.
Okay. Um I told um
pretty much after everything was in
motion,
okay?
Meaning the cases and the investigation,
but I I had decided that I was going to
pursue it. So I had to come clean to
people and be like, "Hey, I did this and
I don't know what's going to happen." Um
but it is true.
Did you reach out to to law enforcement
at that point?
No, I was um contacted
um through
yeah through the the puzzle pieces that
they put together to connect victims to
victims to victims. I was on the
bulletin board somewhere
and here you are all these years later
sitting in this room with these other
women with these other family members.
Why now? Why are you deciding to speak
and to share your story now? because
it's not
because not everybody is getting justice
and that's not right. Um just because
you think that some victims in their
mind got justice
that it's not right. The the everyday
person is out there and that's me and
we're victims. You could be
you know your neighbor could be a victim
and you don't know it. the person you
pass in a grocery store and they're not
talking. And I think that like she said,
power in numbers, even if I'm just
counted as
statistically in numbers as another
victim, that's enough for me. Um,
they're not by they're not protecting
our youth. They're they're continuing to
allow the same thing that happened to us
is happening still. maybe not with, you
know, them, but it happens and it's
happening. So,
I took my time in saying something and
I've always been in contact with Jenna.
Um, I had a young daughter um trying my
to start my career. It was a big shock
to my husband. Uh, so I took the time
and I said when I felt like
I was ready, you know, it's not a
secret. It's just something that I
didn't normally talk about.
Yeah.
So now I'm ready to say, you know what,
if I am the everyday Joe Schmo
and I have this story, I I know I want
to be able to inspire other people to
say, "Hey, me too." I mean, I hate this.
I don't want to say the me too, not
trying to do that, but it happened to
me, too. Um, and I want to support her.
She's been doing all this for years
alone, and she doesn't deserve to do it
alone,
and I know that that's emotional for
you. I can see it in your
And it's also emotional. you know, I
haven't met them today, but going
through stuff like this, um, especially
as an adult, it brings up a lot of
mental health issues
and I've thought of hurting myself and
and not now, but you know, over the last
six or so years just going through all
this and
it's it's hard and I know that if I have
those thoughts and Virginia has those
thoughts and we're victims, you know,
how many more of
Do we have to lose?
Why do you want to see more of these
documents released publicly?
Accountability,
right? I I think all this time we've
forgotten how large of a scale this
really is. What Virginia did, what these
women did, it's unprecedented. This is
this was a global operation. It takes
multiple people to make this happen over
a span of decades. Those people deserve
to be accountable too. Okay? And they
have that information. They have that
information. They have the power to do
the right thing. And that is what we're
here for. Are you all satisfied? And
then I'll do a couple more show of
hands, but are you all satisfied
generally with the level of
communication that you've had or that
your representatives have had from
members of Congress? Do you feel like
your voices have been heard from members
of Congress?
No.
Jess, you're giving me a face. You're
saying no way.
My eyebrows don't lie.
Uh, no. I I've had I've heard zero
zero communication. I mean, I don't know
about I' I've heard nothing.
No.
From any representatives personally. I I
don't I have not.
So, can I get a show of hands? Who here
is satisfied with the level of contact
they've had from Congress?
Nobody. Let me do Let me ask this. How
about the Justice Department? I want to
ask a couple of things about what you
knew about things that were happening
with this case that you're obviously
involved with. Um, show of hands, did
any of you hear from the Justice
Department before they released that
memo, that two-page memo earlier this
summer?
No hands. Were any of you told that Todd
Blanch would be speaking with Gileain
Maxwell prior to that interview over the
course of two days?
No.
No.
No.
Were any of you told about the prison
transfer that Maxwell?
No.
Were any of you do any of you feel that
the DOJ has communicated with you enough
this year?
No.
No. Have any of you had any
communication with the DOJ?
No.
No.
Nobody in this room has heard at all
from the Department of Justice?
No.
No.
Is that surprising to you?
No.
No.
It should be.
It It should. Yeah, it should be. You
would think
it's it's their job. This is the center
of this whole entire case. They are the
center.
Why Why would you Glenn Maxwell? let's
get this right before the narrative
changes. And and I believe that so
strongly that that is the intent of her.
She's trying to rewrite history.
Yes.
And it was almost like she was given
that platform to do that.
And that is not acceptable on any terms.
She wasn't she wasn't just this
co-conspirator and that was her
boyfriend.
She was actively participant. She prayed
upon these young girls and she used her
womanhood to do it.
Yes.
Okay. Virginia said it best. She was
vicious. She was a monster.
She doesn't deserve any type of platform
or yoga and pilates.
That's a reference to the prison camp
she's now in.
Yeah. I mean, it's it's absurd. It's
absurd what's happening. Liz, I have to
ask you. Um, what did you think when you
heard about Let me start with the the
the interview that the deputy attorney
general that Todd Blanch conducted over
the course of a couple of days with
Gileain Maxwell. When you heard that
that was being done, when you saw that
transcript, when you heard her voice in
that audio, what was that like for you?
I hope that I'm speaking for all of us
and saying we are willing to do whatever
we need to to find justice. Um, and
we're willing to talk about what
happened to us so that the public knows
what the truth is and not the lies of
someone who was convicted of this crime,
whose freedom
is being held in the balance and who has
their own motives to both protect others
and protect herself. M
and Lisa to you as somebody who attended
Gilelay Maxwell's trial or at least
parts of it.
Yes, I did.
Um the the interview, the release of
that audio, the prison transfer, what
did you make of all that as it was
happening over the course of the summer?
I was just disgusted by it. It just like
she said, she was an abuser.
There was one point when Jeffree had
called me to go meet with her after I
had met her at a function um at a
charity event. I mean, thank God I
didn't go, but
just the climate in New York at that
time, everybody knew that she was
working with him or had something that
wasn't right with her. And so much has
come out since then that we know, you
know, her great involvement. I mean,
some even say that she was the one that
was the mastermind of a lot of it. Um,
I'm not sure about that. But regardless,
she is the abuser and why are we so
concerned with how she feels about
things and and her opinions
about Trump or anybody else? Um, she's a
convicted felon and so we need to move
on from,
you know, highlighting her as someone
that we should be listening to.
So, what would you say to the Department
of Justice as they were pursuing these
conversations with her?
They have emails. They have flight logs.
They have a list they've compiled,
right? And I feel like if they're not
going to release this list to the public
that everybody wants to see, we want to
know who it is. A lot of us survivors.
No, we've been compiling list of our own
and we have so many other survivors.
Please come forward, you know, and we'll
compile compile our own list
and seek justice for, you know, on our
own. I mean, I think that's what's going
to happen next. Are there other
prominent individuals that you saw when
you were with Jeffrey Epstein and others
who you think should be followed up on
by law enforcement?
Well, let me get this straight.
Jeffrey wasn't doing this for himself. I
mean, let's not beat around the bush.
The parties, the charity events, um, on
the island,
everyone that he was involved with, not
everybody, because obviously there was
people that didn't there were people
that didn't know about what he was
doing.
But there were many people that knew
what he was doing that were involved in
the sex trafficking ring. Your sister
described Gileain Maxwell as more evil
than Jeffrey Epstein. That was something
that she said publicly.
Yes.
And so I have to ask in the context of
what is also in the ether at the moment,
this idea of a potential pardon for
Gileain Maxwell,
how would you feel if she were to be
pardoned given your sister's comments
about about Maxwell? I I think it's I
think it's the biggest slap in the face
for us as a family and to these girls
and anybody that's been impacted by her.
I think that
I don't think 20 years is enough.
Yeah.
You're referring to her sentence.
Yeah.
I think that people that
are able to put that kind of evil out
into the world should be either locked
away forever.
you know, the our justice system, I
think, is not harsh enough on on
something of that levity.
Um, and I I know that
if my sister were here with her sisters
right now, she wouldn't be she wouldn't
be happy about it. We're not happy about
it.
we woke up and like even when she was
moved I was like I don't understand
how that how the the system works.
I also after the fact when she was when
the transcripts came out I I didn't see
anything that she added to the narrative
that would get her that move.
You know,
I don't I don't understand how that kind
of evil can be rewarded.
Let me do show of hands. Who would like
to see President Trump definitively rule
out a pardon for Gileain Maxwell? Every
single one of you.
Yeah.
Mara, are you frustrated he hasn't done
so yet?
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah. I mean, just toying with the idea
is an insult. What would you say to the
president if he could hear you right now
about this, about the potential pardon,
about the case, about all of this that's
in the ether right now?
Um,
would ask why he's putting so much
attention on
convict criminals and why he seems to
value them more than us.
Does anybody else have thoughts on that?
Lisa,
yeah, go ahead. I would say
it's so big right now because this
administration ran their campaign on
this.
These were promises that they had made
and and and if you're in that level in
that capacity, it's your diligence. It's
your duty to do what your constituents,
what your the American public is asking
you for.
So
that's all we're asking.
And it's it's not just one side or the
other. This is a a nonpartisan issue.
Everyone is asking. Even his base is
asking.
Has anybody in this room heard anything
from anybody at the White House or have
your representatives?
No.
No.
I do have to ask and I know and it's
just something that I think we're
compelled to at this moment with the
attention on President Trump with these
questions around a pardon. Did anybody
see or hear of the president himself
doing anything inappropriate as it
related to Jeffrey Epstein?
No.
No.
Or former President Clinton?
No.
Are you glad there is a renewed
spotlight on this? Is there any anything
good that you could see coming from this
or is this reopening these incredibly
traumatic moments for you? Is it a mixed
bag? I I wonder how you feel about that.
I I I I want to say some things, but
we're not little girls anymore. So,
we're not little girls anymore. And so,
there's a it's a different time in all
of our lives and all of our different
healing journeys where I think even 5
years ago, I would have I would have not
been able to sit here and and talk about
this. I think I think the fact that it's
coming up now um is horrific and I I
think we're rising to the challenge to
say this is unacceptable and and we are
now more united than we've ever been
separately and so it's a it's a like I
said it's equally devastating at the
same time it's a really beautiful
moment. It's it's both are happening at
the exact same time. What's the next
step that you want to see
for them to finish this so that it can
be over?
It is heartbreaking to go on the news
all the time and see all of this. It is
heartbreaking to have friends send you
news articles and be like, "Hey, oh,
this again. I thought this was over for
you."
And then it's five years later, six
years later, here we are again. because
they're still not doing something from
when they started the investigation
years and years and years prior to that.
Had they done their job in the first
place, we none of us would have to be
sitting here on camera today?
Yes.
Well, we won't get accountability until
they reopen an investigation.
That's what I'd like to see happen, too.
Yeah.
Who else would like to see the DOJ
reopen this investigation?
Yeah.
Okay. All of you. Mhm.
I think too to your point when you were
asking about what do we want to see and
what does accountability mean, it's not
just about the past and and and holding
people accountable. It's how what's
going to change in the future,
right?
Because that's where I think the
American people are with us. They're
like, okay, if they're not investigating
this case with a 100,000 files in it,
how is anyone ever going to get justice
with their cases? I mean, this
particular issue is rarely prosecuted
and there are a 100,000 files right now
sitting somewhere down the street and
nobody is doing anything.
And so, how is any mom
going to ever see justice for their
child
ever?
And my fear in all of this is that we
are promoting a culture of silence. For
as far as we came in opening up
conversations in the me too movement,
what is the message that we are sending
to survivors of sexual violence about
coming forward?
Yes.
Yes. And how far back are we going to
take ourselves as a nation if we don't
give this the attention and scrutiny
that it deserves regardless of who is
involved. This was a crime.
Yeah. Most of us are parents and we want
to see change for our children.
Yeah.
That's really where it comes from.
That's real legislation.
Yes.
Real legislation. We have way too many
loopholes that allow predators to not be
charged for their crimes. Like we have
to dig deeper. So accountability all
always looks like the law should be the
very first thing, right? It's the
crucial it's it's our belief in the
justice system. This case right now
really depends on the American belief in
the justice system. everything they do.
The Department of Justice is supposed to
be the pillar of that.
Yes.
Okay. So, this is where will you leave
the American people?
Where will you leave us? We can't
believe in the system that is supposed
to be stand for all and protect the
vulnerable and the weak and and do the
process.
So, so it it's it's so intricate and
it's so layered and there's so much work
still to be done to say that that where
does this end? It doesn't. It doesn't.
It doesn't because we have to keep going
and we have to dig deeper. We have to go
through our laws and figure out because
it's not perfect. It's not perfect.
There's still way too many loopholes
that are happening right now. And so, we
have to dig deeper.
Show of hands. Do you feel like your
stories have been treated with dignity
and respect that that your stories
deserve? No. Okay. And I I I would
imagine I I'll ask you, does that
trouble you, Liz?
Absolutely it does. Absolutely it does.
We haven't been protected up until this
point. We haven't been protected and we
haven't been informed. And it's an
enormous burden to ask a survivor
to name the names of their accusers
when they don't feel like anything
is going to be done about it and when
they know that doing so is going to only
bring
danger potentially to them and to the
people that they love.
What has it meant to you, Wendy, as
somebody who is
coming forward now for the first time
and you've sat here and you've heard
these stories and you've heard the
perspectives from these from these
women, these family members around you.
What has this experience been like for
you?
Um, it tells me that I'm making the
right choice.
And that's powerful to me because I
don't have to second guess myself
anymore.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
I cannot thank all of you enough.
We have reached out uh to various
parties for comment and we have heard
back now from an attorney for Gain
Maxwell. We're going to read you the
statement that NBC News has now received
uh in just the last little bit. Here it
is in full. And I want to say again,
this is from Gileain Maxwell's attorney
saying, quote, "We can't respond to
every outlandish claim against Gileain
or we wouldn't be able to get any actual
work done." As far as changing the
narrative, most of these women did not
mention Gileain when they were
repeatedly interviewed by law
enforcement back in the day. David
Marcus, Maxwell's attorney, goes on to
say, "Only when plaintiffs lawyers came
knocking and dollar signs started
flashing did they start pointing the
finger at Elaine." And let's not forget
when Jeffrey Epste was alive, she was
not indicted in his case. Only after his
death did the narrative wrongfully shift
to try to make her the kingpin. Again, a
quote in full the statement from David
Marcus, uh, Gileain Maxwell's attorney.
We have also reached out to the White
House for a comment and of course the
Department of Justice on the details of
this interview. We have not yet heard
back. We'll let you know when we do.
Remember, Maxwell is appealing her
conviction on federal charges for
recruiting and grooming teenage girls to
be sexually abused by Jeffrey Epstein.
You can see more of this exclusive
conversation coming up in just a little
bit tonight over on Nightly News
tomorrow on Today and across all of our
NBC News digital platforms.
We thank you for watching and remember,
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Some victims of convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein are set to speak at a press conference on Wednesday, Sept. 3, at the Capitol. The bipartisan event is organized by Reps. Ro Khanna, D-California, and Thomas Massie, R-Kentucky, who predict it will be "explosive."

Massie filed a discharge petition for the Epstein Files Transparency Act on Sept. 2, which would force floor action on the bill if 218 representatives signed on.

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Transcript

... our country operates. It's how we will secure this nation's future
and the world is watching. And before I step away, I wanted to add
one quick thought. Let's stop calling it an Epstein client list,
and let's call it what it actually is. It's Epstein's sex buyer list.
Thank you.

How about that? I'm so proud and honored to be here today. My name is Lisa Phillips and I am
the host of award-winning podcast, From Now On, where I interview survivors.
In the year 2000, I was taken to Jeffrey Epstein's island while on a photo shoot
in the Caribbean. who I saw and what I experienced there would
change me forever.
For months, I had to avoid Jeffrey, but he told me that if I wanted to succeed
as a Ford model, he could make it happen. And he was right. He introduced
me to Katie Ford and many others in the entertainment business. His grip on the
modeling business was undeniable. Not just the Ford family, but Victoria's Secret, Faith Kates, Jean Luke Brunell,
Victoria's Secret. Epstein's reach went to the very top of fashion. He could
make a model's career. What I didn't realize then was that once he lured someone like me in, he could
also destroy my career if I did not do what he wanted me to do. In New York City, countless young women
were abused by him. Everyone in the industry knew. Yet, he was too powerful
to stop. He had friends in all of our entertainment and arts. And his value to
those friends made him untouchable. But I ask you, why?
Who was he to our government that he was allowed to operate openly for decades?
Why was he allowed to sponsor visas for young models using their immigration status as leverage to abuse them?
How about that? How about and silence them? Epstein was not just a serial predator.
He was an international human trafficker. And many around him knew this. Many
participated and many profited. And yet he was protected.
I know what it's like to be trafficked to others and I know that the files contain the names of powerful men who
have been shielded because of their fame or their fortune. So I stand here today not just for
myself but for every woman who has been silenced exploited and dismissed.

[Applause] Thank you. And we are not asking for
pity. We are demanding accountability.
Congress must choose. Will you continue to protect predators, or will you finally
protect survivors? Transparency is justice, release the
files and the secrecy. And stand with us in declaring that no one, no
billionaires, no politicians, no world leaders, are above the law.

[Music] And let me announce now, several of us
survivors have been discussing creating our own list of names.
We know the names. [Applause] Many of us were abused by them.
That's right. Now together as survivors, we will confidentially compile the names we all know were regularly in the
Epstein world and it will be done by survivors and for survivors.
No one else is involved. Stay tuned for more details on that
because history is watching and so are the women who will come after us.
That's right. Thank you.
[Music] women. If that's not bravery, I do not know
what is. [Applause] Okay, we're bringing up another group of
women. Ashley, Danny, Jess, Haley, and Wendy. Come on up.
Here we go. [Applause]

Okay. So, my name is Ashley Rubbrite. Um, and
I am a survivor of Jeffrey Epstein and Galen Maxwell. Some things I want to say
to any survivors out there who feel like they don't matter. It it doesn't matter
if you went once or countless times. We were groomed. We were manipulated. And
we were taken advantage of. For decades, survivors have been suffocated by speculation. We've been
mocked. We've been doubted. We've been ret-raumatized. While those that hide in secret or while
those responsible hide in secrecy, why don't we deserve justice?
This is not partisan. However, this is very political
as the only path to justice is through our political system. And this is about justice. This is about
accountability. This is about protecting the innocence of our children and honoring the dignity of survivors.
Everywhere we turn, the story follows us. It's in headlines, jokes, music,
grocery store checkout lines, random conversations that you hear people having in restaurants.
For more than 20 years, we've been unable to escape it. And every time new promises are made, our sparks of hope
are lit, only to be extinguished again. We are tired,
however. We are not going away.
We will not stop or give up. and we will be on the front
lines of this battle. We are no longer scared. And let's be clear, there were so many
enabling adults. Those enablers actively turned a blind
eye and they are the greatest danger.
And you know who you are, as do we. You allowed us to be abused for a fat
check and a cushy life, which you still have. And to those in power, hear us clearly.
Do your job. Release what needs to be released. Yes.
And hold those responsible accountable.
Survivors, sorry. Thank you.
Survivors deserve peace. Survivors deserve truth. Survivors deserve
justice. And to my fellow survivors, your voice matters. Your story matters.
And you matter. Together we are louder than the silence. Together we will not stop until justice
is done. [Applause]

Good afternoon. Um, wow, a lot of people showed out for us today. That's right. I wasn't expecting all this support.
Um, what an incredible feeling. And thank you for everybody for being here. I'm going to try to make this as quick
so the other girls uh don't have to be crunching for time. My name is Haley Robson. I came out in
2019 on the documentary Filthy Rich. I have been very focused on bringing more
awareness to all of the survivors. I am so proud to stand with them. I am so
proud to be up here to support them because they deserve all the love and support. And I just want to say to the
women who chose this moment to come out for the very first time about your abuse, I cannot think of a more
important, greater purpose in life than to stand in solidarity when time is against us. When the politicians have
made us an enemy, when the world is watching and everybody is hoping for some type of result. Thank you for
choosing this moment for the first time to be so brave to come out and stand in
solidarity. I prayed for a moment. I prayed for this
moment where God would would fill us with reinforcements. I want to acknowledge all the women
unfortunately that couldn't be here today because I think that is the only list of real great importance and we
should never forget the voices that were not only silenced but that are not here today and we should never forget the
sacrifices that they made. So today I would like to take a moment
for Virginia Sky Danielle and Carolyn. Their voices were just as powerful and
they were silenced just as much. And for some reason, I can feel their spirit,
especially Virginia's today. She would be so proud and she would be so beside herself to
see this one moment we have all came together to unite. And for our government and for the
politicians who have taken our trauma and have weaponized it against us, making it unbearable, making it
unlivable, making it hard to move on in a life that we wish to live in happiness
and joy and peace and injustice that can only come from within at this point. And we have gotten to this point. Shame on
you. Shame on you for using our trauma to weaponize this moment.
We are not going to be fooled by your trickery. We are not going to be fooled by the lies, by the conspiracy theories.
We are the keys to this situation. We have the truth and the FBI knows the truth. The
government knows the truth. You may pull this the wool over the sheep's eyes, but
we are the keys. We know who was involved. We know the game. We know the players. And we are sitting here for 20
years waiting for you to get up and do something. Well, guess what? Your time is up. And
now we're doing it.
How do you follow that? Um, hello everybody. My name is Wendy
Pasante and I was abused by Jeffrey Epstein when I was 14 years old.
Um, I'm not here to relive what happened. I'm here to be counted and to make sure others are counted, too. I
once believed my silence was strength. Hold it together. Don't draw attention.
Uh, today I know that strength sounds like my voice. It sounds like everybody's voices up here.
Silence only protects predators, not children. People ask, "What about the victims?"
We're here. We're here today and there's more of us. Uh I stand with many who are still
finding their words. I live in a world where being understood is a struggle,
where people in power would rather sweep us under the rug in hopes that we'll go away. We won't.
Being a survivor is not a headline. It's our life. We have to live it. It's panic in a
grocery store. It's smiling at work while my hands tremble. It's waking up at 3:00 a.m. with my heart racing and
not knowing why. It's living with PTSD, anxiety, and depression, and your nervous systems on guard at all times,
even in the safe safest room around the safest people.
Healing isn't tidy. It's therapy. It's weightless. It's trying a medication and
trying again over and over for years. It's setting boundaries with some people
who won't understand. Survival isn't weakness. It's wisdom we've earned. If you are a survivor
hearing me, your voice is never too late, too much, or too little. If all
you could do was show up today, you're already trying to make a difference.
You You do not owe anyone your story. You are owed safety, care, and belief.
Your breath is proof that harm does not get the last word. I'm not asking anyone to take a
political side. I really don't even follow a lot of polit politics. Um, I'm
asking you to take a stand in solidarity. Protect the vulnerable, not the powerful.
Protect children and survivors. Not titles and reputations.
Our silence doesn't keep us safe. And I hope today's courage from all of
us ladies can help someone else be safer tomorrow.
We are here and we refuse to be erased. So, thank you guys for listening to all
of us and being here today. [Applause] [Music] [Applause]

Hello everybody. Thank you for being here. As I stand here today
and look around, I want to acknowledge what it feels like to be in the presence
of these incredibly brave, powerful women that I stand up here with.
I am so empowered by each and every one of your fortitude and I am following in the brave
footsteps of those that came before me. While we each have our own stories and walk down different paths of life, we
are bonded together as survivors. When I look into these beautiful faces,
I am reminded that we all started our journeys with big hopes and dreams.
Jeffrey Epstein and his co-conspirator Gan Maxwell stole and systematically
destroyed those dreams. We are a mosaic of shattered hopes and dreams at their
hands. As an aspiring dancer, the manipulation came in forms of offering me dance
studio space, discussing opportunities to meet with ballet masters, and aiding a very ill family member of mine. None
of which would ever come to pass. Instead, I was left in a cycle of abuse
that wore me down and broke me.
When it happened, I would have to completely disassociate. Similar to a coma, my brain would need
to protect itself. So, I would retreat and choreographing in my own head to escape the cruel acts that were being
carried out on my body. After I would go to the studio, bundled in giant baggy
clothing. I remember standing there staring in the mirror as if it were an empty void. I was past the point of
tears. There was nothing left. I was a hollow shell of myself. I could no longer watch my body move,
let alone dance. He had taken something sacred from me.
Two decades later, I am still experiencing lingering effects of what happened to me as a teenager. I am just
one story in the mosaic of women taking back their power by confronting the
horrific truths of their pasts due to Jeffrey Epstein and Gillian Maxwell. We
stand here today in the nation's capital for no other reason than to say that women's voices will not be marginalized.
We stand together as a mosaic of stories, but we're also finding our way back to ourselves. We are reclaiming the
fragmented shards of the hopes and dreams of our past to fa to paint a
better future for the next generation of women. This story has come to Washington
to be told. We will be heard. Thank you.
[Applause]

My name is Jess Michaels and I'm a 1991 Jeffrey Epstein survivor.
27 years. For 27 years, I thought I was the only one that Jeffrey Epste raped.
I believed I was alone and I was kept silent by the shame that was inside me and by the fear outside in the world.
But I wasn't the only one. None of us were. And what once kept us silent now fuels
that fire and the power of our voices. We are not the footnotes in some
infamous predators tabloid article.
We are the experts and the subjects of this story.
We are the proof that fear did not break us. And we don't we don't just speak for
ourselves, but for every survivor whose story is still unspoken.
For those not with us today. for Virginia
whose courage lit the path and opened the door for us to walk through.
This is what power looks like. Survivors united, voices joined, refusing to be
dismissed. Know this, justice and accountability
are not favors from the powerful. They are obligations decades overdue.
This moment began with Epstein's crimes, but it's going to be remembered for survivors demanding justice, demanding
truth, demanding accountability. And we will not stop until survivor
voices shape justice, transform culture, and define the
future. We are no longer whispers.
That's right. We are one powerful voice too loud to ignore and we will never be
silenced again. Thank you.
[Applause]
Thank you. [Applause]

Thank you for being Hey, we're in the home stretch. Um, we
are going to bring up Eric Padulli who is a lawyer.
Sometimes survivors are ready to be seen. They're not ready to be heard. And so we would love to bring you up because
you represent so many survivors who are so critical to this story.
[Applause]

Good morning everyone. My name is uh Eric Fidali. Uh and I've had the privilege of representing up to 11
survivors of Jeffrey Epstein. Uh and one of them is standing next to me here today. Uh this is Rosa.
[Applause] We love you, baby. It's okay.
Uh you may not realize this, but what I just did is the first time anyone has ever said Rosa's name publicly as being
attached and being abused by Jeffrey yesterday. [Music]
And this is also the first time she has ever appeared publicly as a survivor of
Jeffrey Epstein. And I say that because it was last night that she flew into
Washington DC, inspired by the solidarity of all of you, by the
compassion of all of you, and by the courage of all of you to be here today.
And I'm so proud of Rosa and I'm so proud of all of you. But the truth is, Rosa shouldn't be here today.
Rosa shouldn't have to be here today. And I'm going to tell you why. Because Rosa was trafficked from Uzbekhistan
under the guise of a modeling contract in 2009.
That means that Rosa wouldn't be here today if Alex Acosta hadn't had Jeffrey
Epstein in his grasp, had what every single law enforcement officer dreams of
to stop a predator in his tracks. And what did he do? He gave him a slap on the wrist and led
him to continue to abuse. And had he not, FC never would have met Rosa and
Rosa would not have to be here today. But none of you should have to be here
today. Right. None of you should have to be there today because if when Jeffrey Epstein was finally arrested in 2016 and under
federal custody, he wouldn't have been allowed to take his own life and avoid the accountability and justice you all
deserve. And none of you should be here today because Ghislaine Maxwell should not
have been given a platform to deny the crimes against her who was convicted.
[Music] who was convicted of trafficking and tricking 14-year-old girls.
She should not have been given a platform and she should not have been rewarded after that platform in a minimum security resort.
[Music] [Applause] [Music] And none of you should have to be here today because they should just release
the files. No more slow rolling, no more meetings, no more strategy, no more interviews
behind closed doors, release the files, and give you all and Rosa the
accountability, the exposure, and most importantly, the closure you all
deserve. Thank you.

Our last speaker this morning is no stranger to the plight of survivors. And
so with that, I'd love to welcome Gloria Allred to wrap us up here. [Applause]
Give a big round of applause to all the survivors and all the victims and all the supporters today.
I commend you and it matters that you're here. Let me just say
your voice is important, but power only recognizes power. And for
many years, we have not exercised our power in a way that help win change. And
you all and we all have been betrayed. I represent Alicia Ardan and 26 other
brave survivors of Jeffrey Epstein and some of Elaine Maxwell, Colleen Maxwell.
And in 1997, my client Alicia Arden went to the police in Santa Monica and said
that she had been the victim of sexually inappropriate conduct by Jeffrey Epstein when he
invited her to be auditioning for Victoria's Secret catalog.
And she went to the police and they said, "Why don't you think about it before you file a police report?" She
thought about it and came back the following week and filed the first documented police report against Jeffrey
Epstein in 1997. And you all were betrayed because there
was no prosecution. Believe women. Let's hear it. Believe women. Believe women.
Believe women. And then the victims and all of us were betrayed
when in Florida Mr. Acosta made that deal. US attorney is
for the Southern District of Florida made that deal that instead of 60 felony
counts that could have been filed by the United States attorney, two counts were filed by the state
attorney and Jeffrey Epstein without having a trial
was able to go to his office every day as part of the sentence and just sleep
in the jail at night for 13 months. Is that justice? No. You were betrayed.
Betrayed. And then of course there was New York.
New York where Jeffrey Epstein was brought in, arrested. I saw him at the last hearing in federal court.
And so many victims and so many survivors thought, "At last there's justice."
But instead of justice, there was a dead body. The Metropolitan Correctional Center. And questions are still being
asked. Was it suicide? Was it homicide? But the victims never got to testify at
trial and confront that sexual predator. Was that justice? No.
This is We're overdue for justice. We're not going to be waiting for justice. We are fighting for justice.
And let me tell you, no more talk of the word pedophiles, which only means a man who is attracted
to children. We're not talking about pedophiles. We're talking about sexual
predators and child molesters. Let's get the word in about what the crime was
that they committed. Do you agree? [Applause]

And finally, let me just say
they took these predators took advantage of vulnerable children of vulnerable
adults. We know how vulnerable women can be and they abused their power and they
abused their trust. And it's time to meet power with power. There are three
stages of evolution. The first is victim. The second is survivor. And the
third is fighter for change. Are you going to be fighters for change?
Not just today. But every day. Not just in politics in Congress, but in
lawsuits, in speaking to people, your co-workers, your children, your mothers.
Help them. support them to stand up to win justice because nobody has ever
given women and children any rights. We've always had to fight to win them. We've had to fight to keep them. Will
you fight that fight? And I leave you with this.
One of my favorite sayings. Pray for the dead. And that's for Virginia Roberts and all those who
didn't make it here today. Pray for the dead, but fight like hell for the
living. Keep up the fight. Let me hear it. Keep
up the fight. Keep up the fight. Keep up the fight. Keep up the fight. Thank you
very much.
Thank you everybody for coming. One last unbelievable rallying cheer for all the
survivors here. What do we want? When do we want it?
Now. Okay, everybody. There's the press conference starting in a few minutes. Do you want to just go on over um and we'll
meet you over there, whoever wants to. Otherwise, stay here. We have this space for a while longer.
Thank you so much. I All of it just in
and are preventing the release of the full Epstein files. There is something
that is rotten in Washington. Less than 1% of these files have been released. We
are demanding today on the discharge petition that all of the files be released. We know we have 212 Democrats
and we have four Republicans, courageous Republicans like Thomas Massie, Nancy
Mace, who was so emotional yesterday after talking to the survivors,
Congresswoman Boebert, and Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Green. We need just two more signatures to force
the release. So we gather here on the steps of the Capitol to confront these
corrupt forces today. We stand with survivors. We stand against big money. We stand to
protect America's children. That is really what this is about. I now want to
bring up my Republican colleague Thomas Massie. He has shown so much courage, so
much leadership. And I saw some people I I say the same thing about Marjorie Taylor Green. She has shown so much
courage on this issue. I saw some people when I was coming here calling her names. We've got to stop that. We've got
to stop the partisanship on this issue. This is an issue where they both have
shown real courage and leadership and I appreciate them joining us today. Congressman Massie,
I want to thank my colleague Ro Khanna for co-leading this effort to bring transparency and justice for these
victims. I hope my colleagues are watching this press conference. I want them to think, what if this was your
sister? What if this was your daughter? When these survivors speak, the
Washington establishment is asking the American public to believe something that is not believable. They're asking
you to believe that two individuals created hundreds of victims and they
acted alone and that the DOJ has no idea of who else might have been involved.
That nobody else did anything that rose to a criminal enterprise. The American
people know that's not true. Now, the speaker of the house just offered a fig leaf to my colleagues. They're going to
vote on a non-binding resolution today that does absolutely nothing. I
appreciate the efforts of my colleague James Comer, who's leading the oversight committee. They may find some
information, but they're allowing the DOJ to curate all of the information that the DOJ is
giving them. If you've looked at the pages they've released so far, they're heavily redacted. Some pages are
entirely redacted. And 97% of this is already in the public domain. So I'm
calling on my colleagues, be one of the next two who sponsors this discharge
petition. I think it's shameful that this has been called a hoax. Hopefully
today we can clear that up. This is not a hoax. This is real. There are real
survivors. There are real victims to this criminal enterprise. and the
perpetrators are being protected because they're rich and powerful and political
donors to the establishment here in Washington DC. So today we're standing with these
survivors and we're giving them a voice and I want to close by thanking them.
They are brave. I hope they encourage other survivors to come forward and to
to tell their stories, not just of Jeffrey Epstein and Maxwell, but
anywhere in the country. This is this is a message that we are sending. This is a
litmus test. Can we drain the swamp? Can are there people who are outside of the
reach of the law? I don't think there should be. So hopefully today we'll get two more
signatures on the discharge petition. That's all we need. And with that, I want to introduce the bravest woman in
Congress, Marjorie Taylor Green. I find it interesting that the three
Republican co-sponsors are women. These are women standing up for women. And Marjorie was the first to do it. And I
think she deserves all of our gratitude for breaking that barrier and leading the way for the other Republicans.
Hopefully they can find their spines as well. And with that, I give you Marjorie Taylor Green.

[Applause] Good morning. This is my fifth year in
Congress, and this is the largest press conference that I've seen since I've been here. And this is because this is
an issue that matters so much to Americans. This is an issue that doesn't
have political boundaries. It's an issue that Republicans and Democrats should never fight about. As a matter of
fact, it's such an important issue, that it should bring us all together. It's grieved me to watch the arguments and
debates take place among my colleagues, and even the administration.
I think this is something that was worth fighting for. You see, the women behind me are going to tell you stories that
you've never heard before. These are unimaginable horrors that they've lived
with for their entire lives since they were very, very young. But these are
also similar stories that many children, teenagers, women, and even men, are
enduring nightmares right now as we speak. You see, these women have been
fighting since the 1990s. I heard one woman tell us yesterday since 1996,
and they have carried with them shame. But I want to tell you something, the shame does not fall on these brave,
courageous women. The shame falls on every single person that coldly turned a
blind eye to their abuse. The shame falls on every single person that
enabled it. The shame falls on every single person that took money to
continue it. And the shame falls on the people in power over the past several
decades that protected the monster Jeffrey Epstein and his cabal that
continued a nightmare. Those people deserve the shame. And today we are
coming forward, and we are going to fight like hell for these women, because we have to fight like hell for those that
are enduring sexual abuse and are living in a prison of shame.
Anyone that is being abused, it is not your fault. You should live with no
guilt or fear or shame. all of the fault
and other countries. The truth needs to come out and the
government holds the truth. The cases that are sealed hold the truth.
Jeffrey Epstein's estate holds the truth. The FBI, the DOJ, and the CIA
hold the truth. And the truth we are demanding come out on behalf of these
women, but also as a strong message to every innocent child, teenager, woman
and man that is being held captive in abuse. This should never happen in
America, and it should never be a political issue that divides us. And I
want to thank Ro Khanna and Thomas Massie for doing something brave,
crossing political boundaries for a very important fight. And I'm honored to join
both of them. And I'm honored that Nancy Mace and Lauren Boebert signed the
discharge petition along with myself. And I asked my Republican colleagues not
to choose just one path for justice and transparency and accountability, but I
asked my Republican colleagues to choose every path for justice and
accountability and transparency. And with that, I'd like to bring back
Congressman Ro Khanna to start this important press conference. Thank you very much.

Thank you uh Congresswoman Green for your courage and for being here. And
Thank you again to Congressman Massie for co-leading it. I now would like to introduce two people who have been
fighting this for decades. They haven't had their voice heard. The victims haven't been heard. They haven't just
been on this in the last few months. They've been doing this in the wilderness for years. And they are
really models of courage. Bradley Edwards and Britney Henderson who are the attorneys for the victims. Thank you
for being here.
Uh thank you u uh Ro and and Thomas Massie. I I really
appreciate you putting forth this discharge petition. Um it's tough to
understand that we have to be here because this doesn't seem like a partisan issue. This is an issue. Sex
trafficking and sexual abuse transcends politics. We as Americans expect equal
protection under the law and there can be no doubt that Jeffrey Epstein received far greater protection than any
of the victims that he abused for years. We in 2008 Courtney Wild walked into my
office because she was a part of a federal investigation into Jeffrey Epstein where all she wanted was the
government to talk to her. Little did she know the government had worked out a secret immunity deal for Jeffrey Epstein
and we had to file Jane Doe's versus United States of America
to prove that Jeffrey Epstein worked out an illegal nonprosecution agreement with
the government. That was 2008. It took us 10 years battling the government pro bono for the judge to ultimately
determine that the victim's rights were violated. The government has has mistreated them after Jeffrey Epste
mistreated them. We then filed civil lawsuits against Gilean Maxwell which has resulted in her being in prison. Our
civil lawsuits led to her prosecution. We filed lawsuits against Jeffrey Epstein against his estate and against
two financial institutions JP Morgan and Deutschbank that prove that they
provided knowingly provided the financial infrastructure for a sex trafficking operation. Unfortunately,
all of the documents and evidence that we have worked so hard to gather hide behind protective orders,
confidentiality agreements, and bank secrecy laws. That is why this discharge petition is so important. While we have
seen the documents, you have it. And when you see the documents, you're going to be appalled. And the American people
deserve to see everything. When you sign this discharge petition, it should mean
nothing is off limits. That means the documents in the possession of the CIA should be made available. Those in the
possession of the FBI going back decades should be made available. The SEC financial records in the possession of
Fininsson should be made available. Everybody knows that evil evil
flourishes in the darkness. Corruption flourishes in secrecy. It is time right
now to make a difference for the women that are behind me right now. They have been courageous and fought through this
whole thing. Whether you're a Republican or you're a Democrat, this one is an easy call. You're an American who cares
about equal rights and equal protection under the law. If you care about these women, if you care about our country and
you care about this issue, this should pass with flying colors. I really appreciate everybody being here.
[Applause] [Music]

Hi, good morning. My name is Britney
Henderson and I think in addition to thanking the wonderful congressmen and women who are here today, we need to
thank the women and not just the women who are going to speak but the other women who are standing behind them along
with other lawyers cigar mccaulay and people who have been fighting for a very very long time for the world to give
this kind of attention to an issue that it should have had forever. This administration has the opportunity to do
what the past administrations did not do. This administration can either stand with the victims and stand for the
victims or it can continue to hurt the victims like has happened in the past. We aren't here just to ask for
transparency though. We're here too to ask for protection. The women here represent hundreds of other women who we
have spoken to, many of whom were trafficked from other countries, from Eastern European countries where women
don't have the rights that we have here. Women don't have the protections that we have here. And those women are terrified
that their names will be released in these files. The government won't know that they're victims to redact and
protect them. So, we ask that you please, whoever is going to be in charge of redacting these files and in charge
of this transparency, do it in a way that protects the women brave enough to be here, but also protects the women who
are terrified that every day when they turn the TV on, something bad is going to happen to them in Ukraine, in Russia,
in whatever country they live in, because no one is listening to them there. So, thank you for being here.
Thank you for listening. And please protect these women while we seek transparency.
[Applause] Good morning. My name is Anushka de
Gorgio and I stand before you today as a survivor of both Jeffrey Epstein and Gilen Maxwell.
I want to thank Congressman Massie and Kana for their role in putting together this very, very important bill.
Every day of this journey toward healing has come at a profound cost to my mental health. But I am here. I chose to come
because this bill really matters. I speak today not only in service of my
own recovery from trauma inflicted by Maxwell and Epstein, but to honor the lives, the
courage and sacrifices of Virginia Duprey,
Caroline Andreaniano and others who could not continue. Their
voices mattered. Their stories must not be forgotten.
Accountability is what makes a society civilized. Equal opportunity and equal
consequence for all. Consequences are not about punishment alone. They exist to deter
future harm, to protect vulnerable, and to set a standard of justice.
If Gillen Maxwell were pardoned, it would undermine all the sacrifices I
made to testify and make mockery of mine and all survivors suffering.
That is why the Epstein files transparency act is so essential. It requires the Department of Justice
release all the records related to Epstein and Maxwell investigations, flight logs, immunity deals, internal
communications, and even the records surrounding Epstein's detention and death. And crucially, it forbids
withholding documents simply because of embarrassment, reputational harm, or political sensitivity.
This is about ending secrecy wherever abuse of power takes root.
But transparency alone is not enough. Survivors need protection, resources,
and legal support. If this Congress is serious about justice, then let this moment also
affirm your commitment to provide victims with the legal aid they need to confront abusers, to navigate complex
systems, and to reclaim their power. Transparency must be matched by support,
or else too many victims will remain silent out of fear and lack of access.
The statistics demand action. Nearly one in five women in America will experience
rape or attempted rape in her lifetime. Every se 74 seconds someone is sexually
assaulted. Every nine minutes that person is a child.
These are not numbers. They are people. They are your daughters, your sons, your
constituents, your friends. Statistically, one in five of your families will face this nightmare.
The days of sweeping this under the rug are over. We, the survivors, say no
more. I want to help create a world where survivors of sexual abuse and abuse of
power can come forward safely. And I ask Congress to join me in that effort, not
only by passing this bill, but by ensuring that those who step forward have legal support to face their abusers
and see justice done. When Judge Burman gave Epstein survivors
the chance to finally speak, the world listened. After so many years, survivors
were heard. That moment was historic. And so is this moment.
For me, the turning point was when I had my daughter and on the
day she was born, I knew I had a responsibility to protect her and to pro
to protect all children. I have to use my voice, the voice that
had been silenced by fear and shame for so many years.
Make no mistake, my polished exterior is a shield hiding a wound that still
bleeds. But through this wound, I have found purpose,
to be part of lasting change in how we confront exploitation and abuse. And to
be clear, the only motive for opposing this bill would be to conceal wrongdoing.
You have a choice. stand with the truth or with the lies that have protected
predators for decades. I am no longer weak.
I am no longer powerless. And I'm no longer alone.
And with your vote, neither will the next generation be. President Trump, you have so much
influence and power in this situation. Please use that influence and power to
help us because we need it now and this country needs it now. Thank you.
[Applause] Hello.
My name is Annie Farmer and I was 16 years old when I was flown to New Mexico to spend a weekend with Epstein and
Maxwell. That same year, 1996, my sister, Maria Farmer, reported what
happened to me there, along with reporting her own assault at their hands and their theft of sensitive photos of
herself, of me, and our younger sister that she had taken for her work as a figurative painter. I am now 46 years
old. 30 years later, we still do not know why that report wasn't properly investigated or why Epstein and his
associates were allowed to harm hundreds, if not thousands of other girls and young women. We have never
been told whether those images were found when they discovered a large amount of child sexual abuse material on
his property. As a psychologist, I understand that when the systems meant to protect us,
recreate the abuse cycle, the betrayal that occurs can be just as damaging as the original trauma.
This happens when survivors of these crimes are not believed. When our well-being is not weighed as heavily as
those who have more resources or more privilege, and when perpetrators of these crimes are given a platform rather
than the survivors of them. For so many years, it felt like Epstein's criminal behavior was an open
secret. Not only did many others participate in the abuse, it is clear
that many were aware of his interest in girls and very young women and chose to look the other way because it benefited
them to do so. They wanted access to his circle and his money. Their choice to
align with his power left those of us who had been harmed by this man and his associates feeling very isolated.
I could never have imagined being here today and this chorus of support that we
have all received. I have been sent so many notes and
messages from people with no direct connection to this case who've expressed their solidarity with us. And I believe
that is because in part as Anushka so explained so well this is a extremely
widespread issue of child sexual abuse of sexual exploitation of sexual violence. This affects almost every
family in some way.
From my conversations with women in these last few days and from all of the support that we've received is very
clear to me that we are not going away and we are not going to be quiet and we are not going to give up. And I ask the
American public to stand with us and not give up. At a time with record high
levels of distrust in our institutions and a perception that there are two Americas, one for those with power and
privilege and one for everyone else, passing this Epstein transparency bill is one important step that can be taken
to prove to Americans that the government does not side with sexual perpetrators.
A thorough public review of this information is an important step in presenting in preventing the type of
systemic failures that have occurred in this case and harmed all of us. An
important step towards healing for those involved. Thank you.

[Marina Lacerda] Hello everyone. I'd like to say thank you everyone for being here today on this very powerful and special day for all of us here. My name is Marina Lacerda. I was minor victim one in the federal indictment of Jeffrey Epstein in New York in 2019. I was one of dozens of girls that I personally know who were forced into Jeffrey's mansion on 9 East 71 Street in New York City when we were just kids.

Today is the first time that I ever speak publicly about what happened to me. I never thought that I would find myself here. The only reason that I am here is because it feels like the people who matter in this country finally care about what we have to say. As an immigrant from Brazil, I feel empowered knowing that the little girl struggling to get by at 14 and 15 years old finally has a voice. For the first time, I feel like I matter as an American.

I was only 14 years old when I met Jeffrey. It was the summer of high school. I was working three jobs to try to support my mom and my sister when a friend of mine in the neighborhood told me that I could make $300 to give an older guy a massage. It went from a dream job to the worst nightmare. Jeffrey's assistant Lesley Groff would call me and tell me that I needed to be at the house so often that I ended up dropping out of high school before 9th grade. And I never went back. From 14 to 17 years old, I went and worked for Jeffrey instead of receiving an education. Every day I hoped that he would offer me a real job as one of his assistant or something something important. I would finally have made it big as like we say, the American dream. That day never came. I had no way out. Until he finally told me that I was too old. There are many pieces of my story that I can't remember. No matter how hard I try, the constant state of wonder causes me so much fear and so much confusion. My therapist says that my brain is just trying to protect itself. But it's so hard to begin to heal knowing that there are people out there who know more about my abuse than I do. The worst part is that the government is still in possession right now of the documents and information about that con that could help me remember and get over all of this maybe and help me heal. They have documents with my name on them that were confiscated from Jeffrey Epstein's house and could help me put the pieces of my own life back together, but I don't have any of it. And I know the same is true for many of these women.

We are here to support this bill today, not only for transparency, but for the American people. But if the government is going to release these documents to the public describing the crimes committed by Jeffrey Epstein and others, the least that they can do is give me my documents that they have about me. The other survivors deserve the same respect from our government. While our identifying information must be redacted to the public, it is equally important to provide the victims themselves with unredacted information.

I will never forget when the FBI agent showed up in my door in 2008. Jeffrey Epstein hired a lawyer to represent me, or more like to represent him, I'd like to say. I couldn't ask any questions. And I had no idea what was going on. I was terrified. Until today, I think most of us are still terrified. I thought somebody was going to kill me. I thought something was going to happen to my sister or my mother. It went further out to even maybe thinking something would happen in Brazil with my family.
And then one day, the lawyer said that everything was just going to go away. Like nothing happened. I didn't need to testify. When I asked him why, he gave no explanation. That was it.

So why why was I never called to testify then? We could have saved so many women. We could have saved so many lives from being abused. Why did he get away with it in 2008? Why was he able to go on in the abuse with hundreds of girls after the Florida investigation? Why didn't they let me testify to help stop him? Our government could have saved so many women, but Jeffrey Epstein was too important, and those women didn't matter. Why? Well, we matter now. We are here today, and we are speaking, and we are not going to stop speaking. Today I stand here with the women who have really helped me to find the strength to come out and come forward to share my story for the very first time. Together we are stronger than ever. While she may not be with us, Virginia Roberts, we will continue to use our voices to strengthen yours always. Thank you.

[Applause]

Hi, my name is Courtney Wild. I just wanted to take a second and just have a
moment of silence for all the women survivors that aren't here with us today that passed away due to anxiety,
depression, trying to keep up with this case. A moment of silence, please.
Thank you. My name is Courtney Wild. I was only 14 years old when I was introduced to Jeffrey Epstein by a
13-year-old friend of mine. The details of the abuse that he inflicted on me for years is not important today. In 2028, I
was cooperating with the federal government government and the investigation of Jeffrey Epstein. They
sent me a letter telling me to be patient because this was going to be a lengthy investigation, but at the same
time, they refused to talk to me and tell me what was going on. So, I hired an attorney, Brad Edwards, because I was
hopeful to get some answers. When I walked into his office at 19 years old, Brad sued the government for
refusing to tell me what was going on under the Crime Victim's Rights Act. The only reason anyone ever found out that
the government had already given Jeffrey Epstein immunity through the nonprosecution agreement was because our
lawsuit forced the government to tell us. Otherwise, nobody would even know
that today. Sometimes it's hard to believe that I had to sue the United States just to learn that my abuser was
given immunity. I started as Jane Doe, but I was proud enough to take on our
country and I was on the right side of history. We fought the government for 10
years to prove that the government violated our rights as crime victims and the crime victim's rights in order to
protect a pedophile. We had to win the 11th Circuit Court appeals to force the
government to turn over thousands of pages of emails between Jeffrey Epstein and the government. Those emails
provided the proof that the government worked very hard with Jeffrey Epstein to violate our rights. Why?
Why did the government work so hard to protect Jeffrey and not so hard to protect me and my other innocent
friends? Why was Jeffrey so important to the government? And why was I so
insignificant? Why did nobody but our lawyers care before now? It seems people have only
started to care because of Twitter and politics. But I would like to say this has nothing
to do with politics. This is not a blue thing or a red thing. This is an everyone thing. We can all agree on
this. The injustice that has happened here. Multiple over and over. Everybody
that talks about this just seems to make it worse. We need transparency.
It's time for us to see beyond the curtain. Why was Jeffrey Epstein so protected? Who is still being protected?
And who protected them all? So the world can understand how Jeffrey was able to abuse so many of us for so long. I was
lucky to have Brad Edwards, Britney Henderson, and Paul Cassell take on my case pro bono and fight fearlessly over 20
years time. Uh I would like to thank them and I'd also like to asked the
Trump administration to please sign off on uh the Crime Victim's Rights Reformed Act, the Courtney Wild Crime Victim's
Rights Reformed Act that's um we're trying to get passed here so we can close the loopholes in the CV case that
Epstein's attorney uh used to their benefit to get to get away with this.
Thank you so much. [Applause]

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Good morning. Uh, first and foremost, we want to extend our deepest gratitude to Brad and Britney Edwards,
Congressman Massie and Khanna, and above all, the brave survivors who
have entrusted us with the privilege of speaking today on behalf of Virginia
Roberts Giuffre as her family.
We are here today because we support H.R.E.S. 581, the Epstein Files Transparency Act.
in its entirety. But as much as this bill is about shining a light on truth, it's not just
about the bill. This is about justice. This is about survivors.
This is about justice against the rich and powerful who have stolen something from these women and many children at
the time. Their freedom. The freedom to live their life without mental and physical scars that have been
inflicted upon them by those who thought they were untouchable. The same freedom that these monsters
took from these survivors, they should never be afforded. They should never be allowed to continue
their lives with impunity. Let's be clear, this is not a political
issue. This is not about left or right. This is about humanity.
This is about doing what's right. And this is about ensuring that the future we leave behind isn't one where the
powerful can hide behind their wealth, their influence, and their money to evade justice. Our plea to you, whether
you're a dad, a mom, a brother, or a sister, look your young ones in the
face. Look them in the eye and tell them you didn't stand against
the very people who raped, molested, and preyed upon children and young women.
Tell them you were willing to negotiate a deal. Money should never be what makes
something right or wrong. If you vote no, your stance will be clear. You will
be choosing to stand on the side of the rich and powerful, allowing money to buy your way out of the consequence.
But here's my one ask. Look these survivors in the eye and tell them why.
Then look the people of the United States in the eye and tell them why. And then when you're alone, look yourself in
the mirror and ask yourself why. Virginia said it best, and I quote, "I
have physical and mental scars that will never heal. I have memories that will never go away. They say time can heal,
but this won't. Not until the justice system makes an example out of these people with so-called privileges. I just
call it money. The only time I can begin to heal is when their freedom is taken from them,
just like they did to me and literally thousands of other victims. The survivors of this horrific abuse are
watching. The American people are watching. And history is watching. Which
side will you be on? Thank you. [Applause]

Hello, my name is Jenna Lisa Jones and I was only 14 years old when my friend brought
me over to Jeffrey Epstein's house in Palm Beach in 2003. I had a terrible home life, but I was
such an innocent kid then. I always did my best in school and I had
such a positive outlook on life. Until that day that I met Jeffrey, I have
never been more scared in my life than I was that first time that he hurt me. I remember crying the entire way home
thinking about how I couldn't ever tell anyone about what actually happened in that
house. This guy was so rich and had so many pictures with so many famous people and
no one would have have ever believed me if I told them. I want to thank Congressman Row and
Congressman Thomas Massie for having me here today. It was really hard for me to
find my voice and to become strong enough to speak about my abuse.
I didn't come forward until 2019. And even when
and even then it was like I was afraid of a ghost.
I know that I was just a little kid, but sometimes I still feel like it is my fault that this happened. Being given
the opportunity to speak at the United States Capital Building about something that is so important not just to me and
the women before you, but to the entire country.
Together, we can finally make a change. And that is thanks to the people like
these two congressmen and their teams who actually care about the victims. If you are a member of Congress and you are
listening to all of us speak here today, please really listen to us. Please vote
for this bill to be passed. Please recognize how important it is for transparency relating to Jeffrey
Epstein. Whether you are a Democrat or a Republican, this does not matter. This
is not about sides. You are an American and you are a person who has chosen to serve in an elected position to stand up
for those you represent who cannot always stand up for themselves. We are those people. We are the Americans that
you promised. 20-year-old male if I wanted to give an old rich guy a massage. A 20-year-old male if I wanted
to give an old rich guy a massage. But what high school girl would not want to do that? That day changed my life
forever. And when I got into the massage room, Jeffrey Epstein,
undressed, and asked me to do things to him. My eyes welled up with tears,
and I have never been more scared in my life. When it was over, he made he paid me $200 and requested in exchange that I
bring a girl each time to make another $200. I
told him I did not want to do that. And then he gave me an ultimatum. Either you come here and massage me when I call you
or you bring me friends of yours to massage and I will give you 200 per girl for each time she comes. I felt and
hoped to never hear from him again, but he called me every day. He was so wealthy and powerful and he would not
let me go. I felt I had no choice. If I disobeyed him, I knew something bad would happen. So, knowing I did not want
to be sexually abused, I'm sorry. I started to bring him other girls from
my high school, and he paid me $200. $200 for bringing them. I just hoped
each time it would be the last time. One day, the stepmom of one of the girls brought him and called the police on
Jeffrey Epstein. The police then called me called me in for questioning. I had
told them the truth despite the fact that I was a teenager and a minor and I was able to tell the police the names of
all the other victims. The police treated me like a criminal. I had by this time had turned 18. I had been with
Jeffree since I was 16 and for two years. So they had told me I distribute
I distributed to the So they told me I was going to be arrested. My name was then distributed to the press as a
co-conspirator of my abuser who I detested. My entire world was crashing
in around me. And I started being threatened and bullied till this day still receiving death threats.
I was singled out and for many years had to suffer a smear campaign of lies about me because of the way that I was
portrayed by the press.
The press made me out to be a predator when I was just a 16-year-old little girl who was sexually abused by a
powerful man and an evil man. For years, I had no friends. My boyfriend was murdered and there was nowhere to turn.
The government after investigating more learned that I was true a victim, but
the damage was done and it was too late. There was no way to undo the harm the press had caused me. In 2019, I met Brad
and Britney. I met Brad Edwards and Britney Henderson.
They changed my life and they believed in me and have helped me to finally heal. Healing is a process and I may
never get there. But the passage of this bill requiring the government to produce all the
evidence that it has gathered on Jeffrey Epstein and Golain Maxwell is a huge component of healing for me and for the
many other women who have suffered for so long for many reasons. First, we and
the rest of the world need answers. Why was he so protected? And why didn't anyone ever care to stop
him? It doesn't take a brain surgeon to know that if he is spending thousands of dollars a day paying high school girls
he abuses and other access to and had a lot of access to cash. I learned through
my attorneys and the JPM uh JP Morgan class action case that there were years
when his staff withdrew over a million dollar in cash a year.
Was that not a big enough red flag? There were rier transfers to other victims and the government and the
government did not protect us. The banks did not protect us. So lift the curtain
on these files and be transparent. Every single time a new conspiracy gets
circulated in the media, whether he is still alive, what powerful person had
him murdered, who was on the Epstein client list, and there are names going around on Tik Tok and Instagram. We the
survivors are suffering severely. We take our kids to school and everyone
is talking about it. We can't read the news or do anything without hearing crazy stories that are a only able to
live on because the government continues to hide the evidence and the truth. So people just make up stories. Those
stories hurt. They hurt real people. Real people who have already been hurt. And we have lost so many Epstein victims
to suicide. And maintaining the real truth and secrecy only allows for conspiracy theorists to tell lies that
drives up our anxiety and fears and will continue to lead to more pain, more
suffering, and honestly more deaths of innocent victims. It's time you do is
right by us. Unseal all the documents. We are requesting transparency and I am
requesting every congressman and woman that goes against this bill be outed. I
want to know. Thank you. [Applause]

Congress. Hi there. My name is Lisa Phillips and I'm the host of award nominated podcast
called From Now On, a platform supporting survivors.
I want to thank all of my survivor sisters who came before me today. I'll be very short.
In the year 2000, I was taken to Jeffrey Epstein's island while on a photo shoot on a nearby island.
Who I saw and what I experienced there was a was a glimpse into a very dark and
disturbing world. For years after, I tried to avoid Jeffrey, but he had
introduced me to Katie Ford, the owner of the Ford Modeling Agency. Epstein's
reach went to the very top of fashion, arts, and entertainment. This did not just happen to underage
girls in Florida. In New York City, hundreds of young, ambitious women were abused by him. Epstein was not just a
serial predator. He was an international human trafficker. And many around him knew, many
participated, and many profited. and yet he was protected.
So I stand here today for every woman who has been silenced, exploited, and
dismissed. We are not asking for pity. We are here demanding accountability.
And I'm demanding justice. Congress must choose. Will you continue
to protect predators or will you finally protect survivors?
And also I would like to announce here today us Epstein survivors have been
discussing creating our own list. We know the names. Many of us were abused
by them. Now together as survivors we will confidentially compile the names we
all know who regularly in who are regularly in the Epste world and it will be done by
survivors and for survivors. No one else is involved.
Stay tuned for more details. [Applause]

Hello, my name is Shante Davies, and I'm here before you today as a survivor, a survivor of decades of pain, trauma, and betrayal at the hands of Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein, and the people who enabled them, and a government that for far too long refused to help.

In 2002, I was living in California, a young woman with high aspirations of becoming an actress. I was already beginning to make a name for myself in the industry. A person I trusted, someone I thought was a friend, invited me to meet a powerful woman who could help advance my career. That woman happened to be Ghislaine Maxwell. I was asked to give her a massage, though I had almost no experience. And when I did, she praised me. and promised introductions to someone enormously powerful, someone who could change the course of my life. And that man was Jeffrey Epstein. At first, I was an excited young woman on top of the world. Epstein flew me to his private island. He listened to my dreams, and promised to help.

But his promises came with a catch. The abuse began. He told me to keep it secret. He manipulated me with quid pro quo. I did not consent to it, but I felt I had no one to turn to. He was too powerful. I was just one of the many young women trapped in his orbit.

I was even taken on a trip to Africa with former President Bill Clinton and other notable figures. In those moments, I realized how powerless I was. If I spoke out, who would believe me, who would protect me? Epstein himself was [friends with] the most powerful leaders of our country and the world. He abused not only me, but countless others, and everyone seemed to look away. The truth is Epstein had a free pass. He bragged about his powerful friends, including our current President Donald Trump. It was his biggest brag actually.

And while I what I endured will haunt
me forever. I live every day with PTSD. I live as a mother trying to raise my child while
distrusting a world that has betrayed me. This kind of trauma never leaves you. It breaks families apart. It shapes
the way we see everyone around us. But one thing is certain. Unless we learn from this history, monsters like Epstein
will rise again. There are files, government files that hold the truth about Epstein. Who he
knew, who owed him, who protected him, and why he was allowed to operate for so long without consequence? Why was
Maxwell the only one held accountable when so many others played a role? Why does the government hide this
information from the public? This secrecy is not protection. It's
complicity. And as long as the truth is buried, justice will remain out of reach. That is why this bill matters.
Passing it will, bless you, endure, ensure that the suffering of survivors is not in vain. Passing it will bring
accountability, transparency, and prevention. It will help protect the next generation of predators who seek to
place themselves above the law through wealth, influence, and connections.
This is not just my story. It is about every survivor who carries invisible scars. It's about the weight we live
with daily. It is about the families broken and the future stolen.
So I ask you, President Trump and members of Congress. Why do we continue
to cover up sexual abuse and assault? Who are we covering for?
Let the public know the truth. We cannot heal without justice. We cannot protect
the future if we refuse to confront the past. Thank you. [Applause]

Let's just uh give a round of applause for all the courage and strength that the providers.
We now will take uh a few questions. You can always get Congressman Massie, Cong
or Congresswoman Green in the hallways and other places. If you have questions for us, that's fine. But I wanted to see
first if you have questions for uh the lawyers and the survivors and Brad will facilitate any of the questions to the
survivors. Yes. This question would be for the survivors. Mr. Edwards, the president
has said that this Epstein issue is a hoax is the words that he used. Can we
get your reactions to what you think when you hear him say that?
I'll answer that. Um, Mr. President Donald J. Trump, I am
a registered Republican. Not that that matters because this is not political. However, I cordially invite you to the
Capitol to meet me in person so you can understand this is not a hoax. We are real human beings. This is real trauma.
What does it feel like emotionally to hear that? devastating. It's being gutted from the inside out.
Not that I would know what that feels like, but I imagine it's the anxiety buildup with the depression and the
survival mode and then your nervous system goes limp and ironically is shot and it feels like you just want to
explode inside because nobody again is understanding that this is a real situation. These women are real. We're
here in person. To say that it's a hoax is just not. Please humanize us. I I would like
Donald J. Trump and every person in America and around the world to humanize us, to see us for who we are, and to
hear us for what we have to say. There is no hoax. The abuse was real. Now,
what goes behind closed doors, I can't speak for that. What happens around the world politically, I cannot speak for
that. But I am here with all of these women, including our attorneys, and I would be more than happy to meet with
him, and I will meet him halfway. Mr.
I wonder if any of the victims could respond to the news from recently about Gla Maxwell being transferred to a lower
security prison in the after speaking to talk about that one about her.
I'm happy to speak to that. Uh we were horrified to learn that she had been
transferred to a prison camp. Um, she is someone who was found guilty by a jury
of sex trafficking. She not only we often hear that she procured women for
Jeffrey, which I think is a very sort of polite and minimizing term, she also participated in the abuse. She she was a
major architect of the scheme. And the fact that she has painted herself as a victim, I think, is is disgusting. And
it was horrifying, I think, to us that we were not told about her prison transfer. We found out about it in the
news just one minute. I think Anushka maybe. So, um, Anushka de Giorgio, uh, I
testified alongside Annie at the trial of Gillan Maxwell. I was horrified when
I found out not only had Gilen Maxwell been transferred to
what's called a, you know, a low security, it's it's really is like a like a holiday camp. And uh and then
afterwards I got a notification from the Department of Justice telling me that this was going to happen when it had
already happened. This woman
abused children. [Music]
I was abused by Jeffrey Epstein and Gillan Maxwell for over 10 years. Gilen Maxwell was present for some of my abuse
at the hand of Jeffrey Epstein. She was present, she was complicit, she was enabling. And it is appalling and
disgusting and it's one of my worst nightmares that she not only be
transferred but at the possibility that's very much going around that she might be pardoned. This is not okay,
guys. this is not okay. And I just want to add that I think it sends a very dangerous message um to to
our country, to the young people in our country, that someone that we all know is aware of these crimes could be given a pass.
And just for the last survivor who just the last survivor who just spoke, she
said that that Epstein would would brag about her relationship with Donald Trump. Uh could you please elaborate
about that? Uh yeah, I I I did say that.
had enough. [Music]
My first trip to the Palm Beach residence. Um I drove there from the airport with Gilen Maxwell and
they Jeffrey and Gilen were always very boastful about their friends, their famous or powerful friends. And his
biggest brag forever was that he was very good friends with Donald Trump. He had an 8 by10 framed picture of him on
his desk with the two of them. Like they were very close.
Go ahead. Excuse me. One second. One second.
He called on me for this client list that you ladies are putting together. Um you said it would be confidential, but
will the Could you clarify? Will the public get to see that? So Lisa, what what's your envision here?
Is it going to go to the public or just amongst the survivors? We're reaching out to survivors that are scared.
So come on up. We're reaching out to survivors that are scared to come forward and that also
know who they were trafficked to. So that's the list that we're compiling. We're not quite sure, you know, how
we're going to release that or even if we're going to. The Department of Justice needs to release the list.
Right. For folks at home, they might be confused. You know, the survivors know the seen these powerful people. Why
can't you say the names? Could you could you just explain for why do we have to say the names when when the government knows the names and
and we're also scared to do so? Look what's happened to so many of the survivors that have revealed names.
I find the question about the bill I I I think it's also worth saying that having represented I think between our firm and
and Boyce Schiller hundreds of victims and we've talked to them about the various people that they were farmed out
to. So we've created somewhat of a list. Most of these individuals, the victims
are very scared to say these names because they could get sued. They're going to get attacked and nobody
protected them the first time and that was against one person. So, is there a list? There is a list. But just to
dispel kind of the the common theme here, every one of these women was abused by Jeffrey Epstein and his scheme
was to personally abuse women. when they reached a certain age, he did farm a
section of them, some of them out to some of his friends. That doesn't mean all of his friends. With that said, I'm
more than happy to assist in helping create the list behind the scenes and see what we do with it.
But if someone's interested, hold on, hold on. I think if someone's interested in prosecuting, they may have something
different to say about sharing a list, but they're not sharing a list for nothing to happen. And that's the experience that they've had for all of
these years. Mr. Thank you all. We're waiting to see the fate of this discharge petition right now as we're here. The speaker and
others have said that the people he met with yesterday had concerns about your
names being released if this bill were passed. And some people I talked to today are not signing the discharge
petition because they say you don't want them to. Can you clarify if that is accurate? What are your do any of the
survivors here not want the bill to pass? Yeah. First of all, first of all, our legislation wrote, Connor and I went
through this. We talked about this and we were very careful to make sure that there is an exception so that personally
identifiable information, not just their names, but anything they could be identified by would not be disclosed.
And can you speak to that as survivors yourself? Just I I think all of them are on the same page that they want everything released.
I want the bill to pass. Yes. the that the unequivocally redact ident person personally identifying
information and release everything else.
Thank you. I know it's your first time speaking. I'll go to Marina if we can. Sure. Marina, you have stayed silent for so
many years. Today, this is the first time, if we understand correctly, you have never before gone public with your
story and to share this. Can you help us understand why today? Why now? And why here? Well,
it is not okay for us to be silenced and it's not okay for Jeffrey Epstein and
everybody else to be put on a pedestal. I think everybody needs to hear from us
because we know what went on, right? And there is not only me who who's been silenced. There are hundreds of women
that are silenced. My hope is to stop this abuse for the future, right? For
people that are coming up for women. my daughter for example these people have these women have daughters they they
most definitely don't want that anymore and um I think mainly it is it is this
is therapy for all of us too you know we want to be heard nobody also has never
asked me to speak that's also another thing so I can say for all of us here we
are here we want this bill to pass it is very important okay and we need transparency we are tired of looking at
the news and seeing Jeffrey Epstein's name and saying that this is a hoax. We are tired of it. We are done. We are not
going to be silenced. And I hope that my voice will bring other survivors and other victims to come along and speak up
so that we can be more of a stronger voice and louder. And so what is your message to President Trump on this?
I listen I don't like to I don't want to send a direct message to him. Um
I'm already scared enough. Yeah. just just pass the vote. Listen to
us. This is not a hoax. Like it's not going to go away. And like I said on my speech earlier, we are not
going to be we're not going to be silenced anymore. We will be speaking moving forward. Wherever we need to be,
we will be and we need to pass this. Thank you, Sarah. Jordanway pundit. Um
you know, for years we've heard that there was an Epstein client list or some kind of list. Now we hear from DOJ that
there's no list from the victims. What do you guys think? I I know you're working on your own list, but do you
believe that Jeffrey Epste had a list? Yeah. So So there's there's not a list. So here's what it was. Just like you
heard everybody today, Jeffrey Epstein created through an organization that of
enablers of people that were on his payroll. It was a complicated scheme where others should still be
investigated because they helped to enable him and operate this scheme. Without those people, he could not have
done this. But the purpose was for him to personally abuse people. With that being said, certain of his friends, he
farmed out certain of uh the the women that he was exploiting to, but that
wasn't the primary purpose of that scheme. And I don't think he wrote the names of those people down. There's not a a list of, hey, here's all of the
people that I sent females to. That's just not how that organization works. Mr. Edward, agreed. Is there any evidence that Jeffrey Epstein was
involved with or tied to the CIA or a foreign intelligence operation? I think that the safest thing for me to
say is all files should should come out whether it is for the with the CIA, Finen, SEC, FBI. Um I'm not just making
these up half-hazardly. I'm I'm giving you a road map where to look. Go ahead.
I was going to ask you the White House said that this discharge resolution is a very hostile act. What's your response
to the victim's response? And thank you all for being here. I I I'll go first and then I'll let them. They're much more important than me, but I don't understand why it's a
hostile act. I can tell you that I talked to President Clinton, I'm sorry, President uh Trump back in 2009. And
several times after that, he didn't think that it was a hoax then. In fact, he helped me. He got on the phone. He
told me things that were helping our investigation. Now, our investigation wasn't looking into him, but he was helping us then. He didn't treat this as
a hoax. So at this point in time, I would hope that he would revert back to what he was saying to get elected, which
is I want transparency. This about face that occurred, none of us understand it.
In fact, I don't understand how this is a a an issue that's even up for debate. How do you not stand behind these women
after you've heard their stories and know that hundreds of them were abused and it was only because files are being
kept in secrecy? The world should know who he is, who protected him, and the other people that are out there to be
investigated need to be investigated. Mr. Are there any are there any people who
are currently serving in government who are named who you know of are in these files who you had relations with?
Anything of that sort who Jeffrey Epste connected you with? Are you willing to say yes or no? I don't think I can answer.
Mr. Edwards, sorry. Virginia.
I think she's referring to my um hi Anushka de Giorgio. I have been
threatened uh I was threatened by phone. My daughter was threatened when I was
volunteering to participate in uh by means of of being a witness in a civil
lawsuit that Virginia was bringing against Gilen Maxwell. Um, I have been followed. I have been stalked. I have
been followed not only by journalists, but by people who do not get out of the car and do not try and talk to me and
just drive behind me as I drive my daughter to school. So, the fear is very
real for us. I have also been in multiple situations with both Jeffrey Epstein and Gilen Maxwell where they
have been direct and indirect about implying and saying that if I was to
talk, if I was to bring any kind of trouble, then there would be severe
consequence, including death. Just to add to that, um, you know, uh,
Maxwell also threatened my sister, Maria Farmer. You know, when when the FBI did nothing about her initial report, you
know, we did, uh, she reported individually at that time. And then in 2002, we spoke to a reporter at Vanity
Fair telling our stories fearful that perhaps other people were being harmed. You know, we were not we we believed
that was going to make a difference. We believed that would be put in print and that story was crushed. And it was because of their power and uh the the
message that we got from that was direct threats from Maxwell to my sister about her well-being and her safety and that
of our family. So there I think many people have similar stories of threats that has been a very real part of this case.
Go ahead. Do any ofbody here ever have any connection or
interaction with Epstein's alleged finance?
No. You want to address? I I just want to say it one thing that's
very clear when people say, you know, please share names. Um there are names that are very well known like that of
Les Wexner who everyone knows supplied an enormous amount of um Epstein's you
know financial wealth and allowed this operation to happen. So it's I think confusing to many of us why there have
not been more ramifications for for him and he's been seen as a victim when clearly um I I I believe there's more to
it. Right here. Yeah. So uh you represented Virginia Roberts who prayed for many years. She
eventually had to recant the allegations that she made against Alan Dersowitz. She alleged that at least we're not
talking. All right, next question. Why is it that she should be
No, we're not answering your question. Anybody else? How did the victims feel about the
interview that was given to Glenn Maxwell by Todd Glenn? Question. Okay, ma'am. I think that you had a
question. We're good, guys. When you talked about my question, you don't care. When you talked in the past on MSNBC
about the existence of the Epstein birthday book, have you yourself in the course of litigation seen it?
Um, I don't I don't know that we're able to reveal what we've seen and what we have not seen by way of protective
order, but my point being in that circumstance was if anybody wants answers, there's an easy place to get
it. I told you where to get it. I said the estate of Jeffrey Epstein has it. Service opinion on them. they'll turn it
over. And if we had served a subpoena on them in the past, they would have turned it over and we would have seen it,
which I don't usually miss subpoenas like that. So there we go.
One thing on there, you know, to the to your question about the uh the allegations. There's a simple
answer. Release the files. Let the American public decide. Instead of
harassing instead of I gave you your say made up allegations against a prominent
individual among others, hired by admit you know even he knows who I'm talking
about that contained hugely salacious allegations you've been heard you've been heard
shouldn't you tell the public about this you've been heard and even Alan Dersawitz even Alan Ders says release
the files release the files that is the answer and that's what we're here for that and that is the
Can you elaborate sir [Music] [Applause]
You said that Donald Trump gave you help in 2009. Can you elaborate on your interactions with Donald Trump back in
2009? And for any of the big things, they didn't ever see the president, but then not president yet, but did they ever
see Trump with Epstein in any way.

I don't think that we can answer that question. Did anybody see Trump with Epstein back then? This is really not a political thing. We want the passage of
the bill and this is not to call out President Trump. What about your interaction? My point was that he was friendly back
then, did not think that it was a hoax and was trying to help and now it seems like all of the sudden somebody's in his
ear and he's not. So, I'm hoping he'll come back to where he was back in 2009. Be on the side of the victims and stand
with us. Go ahead. Wanted to ask victims what they thought
of the interview with Todd Lynch with the Attorney General.
Do you want to answer? I would Teresa will step up. I would uh Teresa Jol
happy to speak on that because what I will say is she got this airtime
and platform. Her voice was elevated way before our voices were elevated here
today. And that same calm,
manipulative voice that she had so polite there that day with Todd Blanch
was the same polite, coercive, manipulative voice that I
heard as she was grooming me to then send me off to the home of Jeffrey
Epstein where he would assault me. So that's what she was doing for hours, speaking with me, building relationship
with me, building trust with me, allowing me to believe that I was going
to get this job, a dream job, that I had been recruited from my college, flown
across the country from Los Angeles to New York City to interview. So I thought, so her voice that day was the
same voice that sent me off to a monster. So believe nothing can be
believed from what she says because she's she's been uh charged with
perjury. I myself could sit there and listen and as I did I sat there and listened to this woman's voice lie
and there was no push back from Todd Blanch because does he even have the facts to be able to push back on her?
We could sit there and push back. Why didn't we get to attend that? Why weren't we there that day? Or why wasn't
even one of us consulted prior to that day in that meeting? And why on earth
has she been moved from Florida to her? It basically is prison spa. I mean, you
know, let's be real. None of us were consulted. I found out just like everyone here found out through the
media, through all of you. We found out about Gilen's transfer.
So, we are all I'm very angry to sit there and listen. The feelings that come
up listening to this woman's voice is repulsive. Yes, I would say it's
triggering. We all work very hard on healing and it still gets to us after two
decades. That's a very long answer, but that it's it's repulsive to sit there and listen
to her voice in her interview. C can we take can we take two two more questions? One over here.
My reporting in Barrett directly led to a$100 million payment from JP Morgan to
the Virgin Islands. Will you go after the DOJ, the FBI, because they're
sitting on evidence? I've held the evidence in my hands.
that there I I I think that there's there's nobody that's immune from us going after
them if there's a legitimate action to take. So to the extent that that evidence exists, then show it to us and
and and we'll help in every every way we can. We stand with the victims. Share it with you. Okay.
One more. Can the survivors speak to uh speaking of being threatened and being afraid to come forward with the story to
the case of Katie Johnson who alleged that Donald Trump and Jeffrey I I don't think we can talk about I
don't think we can talk about that case. I I I do think it's worth saying though despite the the the comments that he made Virginia Roberts Du Fray is an
American hero. She is somebody she is somebody without whom we would not be able to have this voice. She was the one
who had cou courage to name names, speak out against people and and she was
standing up against everybody at one time with an enormous amount of pressure. And most of these women are here because
of Virginia Roberts. All right, last one.
One of the victims say do they think the innocent people are that he's protecting his mind?
Clearly not us. just I don't release I don't think that anybody knows but I can tell you that in the in the uh
oversight committee meeting yesterday they indicated that they were all for transparency releasing the files and
asked us to hold them accountable. Is that right? They said hold hold them accountable. So we intend to hold them accountable
the men accountable that are in those files. We we're we're going to show them where
to go with it and uh as long as they're doing their job they should. I'm going to turn it back over to uh Rocon. Thank
you. Let let me just say this. Let me let me say this. I think the people back who
are testifying here today are speaking up today. They are American heroes. Let's give them a another round of
applause. And you see, look, uh, Thomas Marjorie and I, we're huge believers in the First
Amendment and we believe in free speech and we take abuse all the time. But you see you you see why it's so hard to do
what they have done because they come forward and you subject yourself to national scrutiny and national
questioning. And I just want to say from the bottom of my heart how appreciative I am and uh how proud I am uh of what
you've done today. You made a big difference. Before I bring on uh Marjorie and then Thomas will have the
last word. I want to summarize three basic things that I heard from the uh
survivors. First, they want to know why our government covered up for someone
rich and powerful. Why is it that we have two Americans? People say, "Why do you need to release the Epstein files if
Epstein is dead and Maxwell is in jail?" Because we don't know who who all was
involved in the cover up. Why is there why are there rich and powerful people who didn't have justice? They want to
know that. Second, many said it's important for their own closure. They don't know their own abuse. They want to
understand what's in these files for themselves. And third, we heard that there are many others who obviously were
involved and they want to know. And the American people deserve to know what was there in those files. I actually think
they're helping us come together as a country. I've never I've never done a press conference with Marjorie Taylor Green
before. You know, I've done some with Massie, but look, this country is
divided. It's exhausted. It's This is one thing, one thing that we can come together on.
And I was very clear with Thomas, this is not against President Trump. I would like nothing more than a
truth social post for him after this press conference saying just release the files. Be with Massie/ Khana.
This is This is about something much deeper. It is about bringing this country together to stand for America's
kids, to restore trust, and to move this country forward. So, thank you to the
survivors for helping us do that. Now, I want to introduce Marjorie Taylor Green.

Thank you. Thank you. For everyone watching at home, I think
it's important to put yourself in these women's shoes. As you're
questioning, why can't they just name the names? What you don't realize is they just told their stories of being
raped and being abused, being victimized, being manipulated, being
coerced, and basically held in a prison of captivity of sexual abuse while they
were young teenagers and extremely young, vulnerable women. And in Jeffrey Epstein's home and the places
they went with him, they saw the most powerful people in the world in his
pictures and they saw him with those people. Can you imagine how terrifying
it would be to name names like that? These are some of the richest, most powerful people in the world that could
sue these women into poverty and homelessness. Yeah, it's a scary thing
to name names, but I will tell you I'm not afraid to name names.
And so if they want to give me a list, I will walk in that capital on the House floor and I'll say every damn name that
abused these women. I can do that for them and I'd be proud
to do it.

Now another thing, this is not about politics, and this is a
boiling point in American history where the American people, just like Ro Khanna just
said, there's become two Americas. There's the America for the rich, and the
powerful, and the elite, where they never face any struggles, or problems, and never experience what what real America goes
through. And then there's forgotten America, that faces all the problems, and
deals with all the issues, and never gets justice for being sexually assaulted and
raped by a monster. It shouldn't exist anymore. And people are sick of it. So, let's recognize the
fact that the administration before, and the one before it, and the one before it, and the one before it, and before it,
never did anything about this. So, this isn't one political party or the other.
It's a culmination of everyone working together to silence these women, and
protect Jeffrey Epstein and his cabal. And this is not just rich, powerful
people. Think of his drivers, his maids, his chefs, all the people, his ma people
that worked in his home, security guards. I heard one story from a young
woman that was being raped by Jeffrey Epstein when he was out on work release
while he was serving time in prison and had an ankle monitor on his leg. Guess
what? There was a police officer outside that door. So this list of names is
quite a list of names, and it doesn't extend just in the rich powerful circles. It extends down to the very bottom, where people were paid. And again I will say this, there's
victims suffering today in similar circumstances, and they're terrified to
name the names of the people that are currently abusing them. And so with
these brave, courageous women fighting this fight, this is a fight for women
and children, and any person that is facing sexual abuse, and rape, and
captivity, and human trafficking, right now. And so here's what I ask you in the
press. Don't go for salacious headlines. Go for the truth, and defend these women,
and help those of us in Congress that are crossing our political party lines and doing the right thing, and trying to do it together. And thank you Ro Khanna, and thank you Thomas. And now I
recognize Thomas Massie from Kentucky.

Well, there's three branches of government and we're supposed to keep each other accountable. And that's what
we're doing here today in the people's house. We're standing in front of the people's house with real people, not a hoax. And they've told their story. We
wanted to give them a platform to speak and they had it. They stepped up and they were brave.
But I also today hoped that they would persuade my colleagues to join this effort.
But I found out something today that happened that I wasn't expecting. They persuaded me to fight even harder.
I'm not going to give up. And I want to end with this call to
action. First, a call to action to my colleagues who just an hour before this
press conference were prepared. They were given a fig leaf. We'll put a resolution on the floor. so that you can
say that you voted to protect the survivors. The resolution doesn't really
do anything. And that's the oldest trick in the swamp. When you want to kill the
momentum, when you want to kill initiative, you introduce a placebo, a
different bill that does nothing, and then try to pull the wool over the eyes of the American people. That's not going
to happen this time. We demand real accountability.
I encourage my colleagues, please. There's over 200 Republicans who have not signed this discharge petition. We
only need two of them to sign it. And every Democrat will sign it. And that
will get us the number we need to force this vote to pass a law, not a polite
request to the DOJ to police themselves. No, we need legally binding legislation
to force that to happen. And my main call to action is to the people watching
these live feeds that are going through these cameras right now. Congressmen, listen to you. Light up
their phones. Burn down the phone lines here in Washington DC. Ask them the
questions that these survivors wanted you to ask them. What are why won't you
be for transparency? don't accept their answer that the bill has a flaw or that the survivors don't
want it. We know that's not true. They wouldn't be fighting it so hard in this town if it wasn't the real bill.
So with that, please call your congressman, tell him or her to get on
this bill and to stand up for these survivors. Thank you and God bless. That's the end.
Thank you guys. Unbelievable.
Congressman Massie. Congressman.
months. You're getting back from your bill, your
colleagues. What are some of the reasons why they don't want to endorse this? They're being threatened. I mean, look, I've got $2 million of ads
running against me back in my history and it's funded by three billionaires. One of them is in Epstein.
I mean, uh, this is what happens. Your consultants, your political conservatives will abandon you when the
when the White House gets mad at you. Uh, the speaker will block all of your bills. They'll shut down your
fundraising. This isn't political, but it is. I mean, the the opposition to this is very
political. What's the uh what's the president of the White House with against this?
I I have no idea why they're doing this, but I do believe they're trying to protect people who are rich and powerful
and connected like Republican governors. He's just doing what the White House is
doing. He was he was for transparency for about 24 hours and then he got tuned up by the White House.
He had a chance to look at the garage email last week and Jeffrey had his involvement with the
app known as car buying which is currently rolled out in 23 states across the United States. I'm not that familiar
with that. I'm spending most of my time trying to port through the 35,000 pages that were released yesterday and what
I've found out are pages completely redacted. Entire flight logs completely redacted. Um, so there this is a non
release and the danger that Republicans are running, particularly the administration right now is recreating
the debacle that attorney general Bondi had when she gave out the binder and everybody
information. What we need from this oversight committee investigation
otherwise the system is exercising paper.
I'm not going. Excuse me. I'm just looking for something. Oh, there it is. not
everything that I think I already am, but I probably
[Laughter]
discharge
Let me hear your voice.
Yeah.
stand out.
Those of us who know
what is what is your message to Russians who might
Well, my message is It's an opportunity.
One of those
Not that I know. So that would be working on a second.
So it's a it's a threat.
Why is the White House?
Wait a minute.
I support your ideology with the white but
these files and the other% aren't paying attention to the issue. So it's it's the
right thing policy wise and it's the right thing political wise
person. Yeah, I'm the I'm the uh the threat
that's already I mean they're already
convers
donors NRC Max donations
have you been having with your colleagues criticizing the language
My staff and I were here.

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MAGA Rep EXPOSES Trump Epstein Bomb LIVE ON TV
Adam Mockler
Sep 5, 2025 The Adam Mockler Show

Adam Mockler with MeidasTouch Network breaks down his appearance on Cuomo and Massie's Epstein allegations.



Transcript

All right, I have a wild video for you
all today. I want to show you the exact
moment that Republican Representative
Thomas Massie went on live TV and just
dropped the name of a GOP mega donor
that he claims is in the Epstein list.
After this clip went viral, I went on
live TV to debate Chris Cuomo and a
Republican guest about it. We we'll get
to all of this, but let's just lay the
groundwork. Republican Representative
Thomas Massie has been leading the fight
with Democratic Representative Ro Kana
to release the Epstein files. Now, due
to this, he's getting a lot of threats,
mainly from Donald Trump and Trump
aligned donors who really desperately
want to primary him. And this isn't new.
Uh, Republican Representative Thomas
Massie, and I disagree on a lot, but
he's not afraid to push back on the
party. We saw the same exact thing
during the big ugly bill and the debt
drama. So, Republican mega donors are
trying to launch a primary against
Massie. And one of the interesting
pieces is that about a month or two
back, this article is a month or two
old, but Elon Musk indicated that he'd
be down to donate to Representative
Thomas Massie, a Republican who has been
over and over just yelled at by Trump.
Business tycoon Elon Musk indicated that
he will donate to Representative Thomas
Massie. Thomas Massie was even asked
about Elon Musk's donation just
yesterday.
What are you hearing from the White
House? Are they whipping trying to whip
the votes in one way or another? We're
just looking for clarity on what you're
hearing from the Trump administration.

Well, the president attacks me in tweets
frequently and in press
interviews, and they're spending $2
million against me. They will probably
spend about 20 million when it's all
over in my congressional district,
trying to keep me from getting
reelected. So when people say, "Are you
worried about ramifications from this?"
I'm already getting the ramifications.

But is Elon Musk going to help you?

That's a different topic for our
field.

He did not say no to that final
question. And listen, if you're worried
that the president is covering up for
billionaire pedophiles, like this clip
that I'm about to play alleges, then
don't worry, because as Thomas Massie
points out, at least Trump is being a
child on Truth Social and calling people
names. It's all just such a mess. Let's
listen to this clip of Thomas Massie
exposing a billionaire who was on the
list.

Let me give you the name of one of the
billionaires who's running $2 million of
ads in my district since I started this
effort. His name is John Paulson. He's a
hedge fund manager and uh a major donor
to the Republican party, a major donor
to the speaker of the house, a major
donor to the president's campaign, and
he's in Epstein's black book. Now,
that's public, but that's indicative of
the types of people who may be
implicated or or just embarrassed by a
release of a completely ...

Now, this is where it gets more
interesting. Not only does this clip
provide some more context as to why
Donald Trump gets very, very dodgy when
you bring up Epstein. Not only was he
close friends with Epstein, but maybe
some of his mega donors are in the list.
But not only is that the case, but as
this clip was going viral, I was hopping
on Chris Cuomo's NewsNation show to
debate him and debate a MAGA guest. Now,
we were going to debate an entirely
separate topic, but this clip ended up
being brought up and we talked about it.
When I first hopped on, Chris Cuomo
accused me of editing him out of context
the last time we debated. I don't think
that is true, but I'll let you decide.
And then we debate about the actual list
and Trump's involvement in it. I hope
you enjoy. Drop a like and I'll pop back
in at the end. So, make sure you stick
around.

[Chris Cuomo] And Adam Mockler, big digital
presence, lefty. Mockler, first
of all, boy, did you selectively chop up
our last interview, and try to beat me
over the head with it for all your fans,
I want you to know I follow you, man. I
follow you. And I saw what you did to me.

[Adam Mockler] That was my production team. I don't
know. It might have been a short form
song.

[Chris Cuomo] Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Mockler] I don't think we cut you up.
I think you're coping. I
don't think we cut you up. I don't think
we did.

[Chris Cuomo] No, you can't hurt me, man. I'm saying
you tried. Now, let's let's talk about
what matters, not me. So, Representative
Thomas Massie, okay, who's working with
Ro Khanna, which I like. I like seeing left
and right doing anything together that
is even arguably productive. But I got
to tell you, he just accused John
Paulson, one of the wealthiest men in
our society, one of the biggest righty
donors, of being an Epstein person.

[Adam Mockler] I understand what you're saying. You of
course have to be careful, but at the
end of the day, people are itching for
any sort of transparency. I mean, seeing
those survivors standing out there
yesterday, for decades they have been
neglected. Yeah. Like there
there was a story that they were talking
about how for the past few decades,
they've been neglected, begging for
investigations. Administration after
administration, not only neglecting
them, but this new administration is
like spitting on their face. Trump was
sitting in the Oval Office saying that
it was a hoax. It was a Democratic hoax.
So, I think that people are itching for
any sort of transparency. I think that
if Massie has some sort of basis for
this accusation, he should reveal it. We
probably shouldn't just throw people's
names out there, but if there is a basis
for this, then yeah, let the let the
public know. We want to know about this.
Well, let me also just point out is
funding is the major funder for the anti-
Massie pack that is going up against
Massie right now. He's the largest
contributor to this anti-Massie pack.
So, I think that obviously Massey's
going to investigate. What does this man
have that he's putting millions, you
know, all the money into defeating me.
Well, when you start connecting the dots
and here's the thing, I have to get
this out before we move on. It is not a
bad thing. You can be a conservative and
say that you want justice, and these
names to become legal. You can
say that Trump I firmly believe that
there is nothing that's damaging to
Trump because it would have come out in
the 2024 election when Kamala Harris was
running and they had all this
information at their fingertips. I think
this is damaging to people around Trump
and they're convincing Trump that hey,
you've got to take our side or else it's
going to make you look bad. That's false
and conservative.

So, you're saying the president of the
United States doesn't have the agency to
just push back on the people around him,
and that he's protecting pedophiles,
calling it a hoax, cuz the people around
him want him to...

I don't think he's protecting
pedophiles. I think that he's listening
to wrong advisers right now.
He's a puppet. He's a puppet. He's
literally a puppet for the people around
him pulling the strings. That's what
you're saying.

That's nothing near
what I said. I'm just saying he should
not call it a hoax
to dismiss it all. Well, like I said, I
think this is why there's
Republicans and Democrats that are going
to be largely damaged if this list is
ever able to come out to be true, come out to
fruition to the public eye. And I
applaud Marjorie Taylor Green, Thomas
Massie for saying, you know, "women,
you're not protected, but we'll protect
you." And I think if that's the only way
we get justice, doesn't matter if you're
Republican or Democrat. Let it happen.
Let the truth come out.

[Adam Mockler] All right. I thought it was a fun
debate. I also reject the idea that we
selectively spliced Cuomo out. But
either way, to engage with what Scotty
Nell Hughes, my opponent here on the
right, is saying, she's basically trying
to claim at one point that Trump is just
listening to the people around him,
falling victim to the wrong advice on
pedophilia. She's selectively ignoring
all of the connections that Donald Trump
has had with Jeffrey Epste. Hundreds of
photos of Trump and Epstein. More photos
of those two than Trump and his own
kids. They hold closed door meetings and
parties in the late 90s with calendar
girls. It's very, very clear why Trump
doesn't want the list to be released.
And the idea that you can just remove
all agency from the president. Like
they'll say in one breath that he's this
big strong macho guy who doesn't care
about any of the rules, that he'll break
every rule, no one can tell him what to
do. And then in the next breath they'll
be like, "Oh, he's just people are
telling him what to do and he's falling
for the wrong advice." And you know,
sometimes sometimes we all cover up
pedophilia. No, the Donald Trump is very
intentionally
diverting away from this. He's not
taking bad advice. He's the one coming
up with talking points and giving the
advice to cover this up in a top- down
way. It's very, very obvious. So, to be
honest, something I love to do in the
space is debate. I see a vision for a
stronger pro-democracy movement that's
based off of not only the videos that we
make on a day-to-day basis, but going
out there and explaining why democracy
is good, why Russia needs to get the
hell out of Ukraine, why Trump needs to
uphold the norms, and how we need to
protect the working class with every
available tool in an aggressive way. And
all of this can happen through debates
on TV where you spread your ideas.
Sometimes they're going to be only 5
minutes long, of course, but we're going
to continue to build and push forward
and that's because of you all. We've
been able to add Micah. Micah Iran has
been a lead policy adviser who helps me
prepare for these debates. We have
Chris. Chris makes videos that help the
channel continue to flow and you all are
the absolute best. So, shout out to the
team at Mach Media. Shout out to you
all. I love you all and peace out.

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Trump SCREWED in SECRET HOT MIC Moment?!?
Legal AF
Sep 6, 2025 The Intersection with Michael Popok

A Top DOJ Official thought he was on a dating app date. But instead he was secretly recorded by an undercover operative who got him to spill the beans about now the DOJ and Trump are manipulating the Epstein Files rather than releasing them to protect Republicans and Trump and Maxwell's "reward" of her new prison assignment. Popok brings the receipts.



Transcript

I didn't think it was possible for the
Epstein scandal to get worse for Donald
Trump, but it just got worse with a
senior official in the Department of
Justice who was out on what he thought
was a date off of a dating app telling
his date that the Department of Justice
was redacting names of Republicans,
leaving just Democrats in there in order
to hurt Democrats and help Republicans.
He also admitted that the reason that
Ghislaine Maxwell was moved to her low
minimum security prison camp, you know,
fed spa, was to reward her, to ensure
that she didn't speak up. Not because
she did speak, but to encourage her not
to go after Donald Trump. And what is
the Department of Justice doing about
it? some sort of half-hearted apology
saying the guy doesn't know anything
that even though he's the acting deputy
chief of staff and the
enforcement operations, that he doesn't
really know anything, that's not
really what's happening, he's not
involved. And now they've had to
apologize, because it looks like they're
manipulating the Epstein files. If you
thought Pam Bondi, the attorney general,
was on thin ice before, do you hear that
cracking sound? That's her dropping
through the ice

I'm Michael Popak of
course I've got the receipts I've got
the video that O'Keefe Media Group,
O'Keefe used to be the founder of
Project Veritas, which used to go after
Democrats by the way, but now going
through the dating apps and finding
people like this guy Joe Schmidt. How
much longer is he going to be at the
Department of Justice based on this
reporting? I can't contain myself. Thank
you for joining on this Saturday
morning. I'm giddy. Let's get to it here
on Legal AF. So Joe Schmidt,
acting deputy chief of the Office of
Enforcement in the Department of
Justice, my guest is single. And he
decides to go on a dating app. This one,
I think, is called Hinge. And while he's
on Hinge, he meets a person named
Skyler. Should have been the first tip
off. Sorry Skyler's out there. And he
goes on two dates with her. At some
point, he gets so relaxed on his date
that he starts spilling the beans to
Skyler, quote, "Skyler, who he doesn't
know is an O'Keeffe media group
undercover about the Epstein files. Here
is what he has to say."
Well, those files do exist.
Yeah. Thousands and thousands of pages
of files. They'll read that. Every
Republican or conservative person in
those files need all the liberal
Democratic people in those files. I
think they visited that Maxwell person.
Yeah.
And also involved
I got transferred to a minimum security
prison too recently
which is against BP policy because she's
she's a convicted sex offender. They're
offering her something to keep it.
And what do you what do you do for work?
I work for the Department of Justice.
Okay.
Been there like 23 years.
I'm an analyst.
I'll be acting deputy chief of our
office for a few months starting next
week. I work closely with like all the
federal law enforcement agencies and the
US attorney's offices,
the prosecutors and stuff. The thing is,
it's interesting because I do deal with
so many of the agencies like the Bureau
of Prisons, the Marshall Service,
the FBI, US attorney's office,
you know, internally there's a lot of
even within the administration, there's
internal conflict.
Oh, okay.
Like the FBI really wants it. second in
command at FBI has been like causing
problems because he's like, "No, these
have to be released."
Yeah. So, the FBI wants them out.
Um, the top two guys then do
and Bonnie doesn't.
I don't know what Bonnie wants. Bonnie
wants whatever.
Sure.
Yes.
Do you think like the stuff with Epste
will actually get released or not at
all?
If it does, it'll be heavily redacted
and his name won't be.
Okay. So, not only does he admit what we
always thought was going on, that
they're the reason they're not releasing
the files, which they've had uh 300
gigabytes worth of or or 30 terabytes
worth of for the last several months
since at least March that they already
went through. They already scoured. They
they're ready to be released if Pam
Bondi would let them go. You hear this
guy, Pam Bondi will do anything Trump
says. He also revealed as you heard that
there's a dispute which we knew about
between Bonino, the deputy director of
the FBI and and uh Bondi and that they
were busy redacting the names. They
wanted to redact the names of
Republicans to protect them to harm
Democrats. Then this isn't about being
transparent. This is about politicizing
child sex trafficking files belonging to
about two best friends of Donald Trump
and Galain Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein.
Now, of course, the Department of
Justice quote unquote has to apologize.
And here's here's what they say about
that, but even that didn't help them.
that the comments are the person's own
in the video and have absolutely zero
bearing with reality and reflect a total
lack of knowledge of the DOJ's review
process. It was on an exac account of a
spokesperson unnamed. The spokesperson
listed as DOJ
sbox 247. That sounds like somebody that
doesn't want their identity revealed.
The DOJ is committed to transparency and
is in compliance with the House
Oversight Committee's request for
documents. Transparency? Your name's not
even transparent,
Mr. or Mrs. DOJ Spox 47 randomly
assigned? And and again, this only
confirms my working theory,
uh, which I think has just gotten new
legs, which is that the Trump
administration is using the House
Oversight Committee to run interference
to spoon feed the American people as
little of the documents as possible,
while behind the scenes, even top
insiders in the Department of Justice
think that this is all a ruse and this
is being done to help Republicans and
Donald Trump and hurt Democrats.
And because he said the quiet part out
loud, I don't think Mr. uh Schmidt's
career is going to last much longer.
Yes, he got caught in what's called a
honeypot operation, which has been used
by in the spy game for centuries.
C Mahari. Uh so this was his Mahari, a
woman named Skyler. But nobody told this
guy to in order to press his girlfriend
or his his date to start talking about
the Epstein files in this way and talk
about the internal conflict between
Bondi and Bonito. Not a guy who's the
act acting deputy chief in the
Department of Justice. He just got
caught, that's all. And the fact that
the Department of Justice didn't even
have the balls, so to speak, to give an
apology publicly. They threw some
anonymous
anony there's nothing like an anonymous
spokesperson
giving a statement about the
transparency of this administration but
then at the same time revealing that the
Trump administration is effectively
using as an instrument as a tool the
oversight committee but we we knew that
we knew that was happening. Um, now the
Department of Justice said the
following. Somehow this got posted on
the Department of Justice. Apparently,
some sort of email from Schmidt to his
superiors in which they said uh where
he's explaining the dates. She claimed
to be an Opair in Georgetown. She gave
no clues that she was a reporter or
recording our dates. Had I had a clue,
the first date would have ended
immediately and there never would have
been a second one. My profile indicated
I did government work. This is on the
Department of Justice posting. Um, talk
about throwing somebody under the bus,
but did not specify for which agency. I
never discussed what I do at the
Department of Justice. So, he had to
admit when he was on the date, he told
he spilled the beans. The comments I
made were my own personal comments. This
now sounds like a hostage video uh of
what I learned in the media and not from
anything I've done or or learned via
work. I have no knowledge of the
circumstances surrounding Miss Maxwell.
blah blah blah as shown in the the then
post it back on O'Keefe's uh on
O'Keefe's uh website or his uh blue sky
or whatever he's on and it says uh
breaking after breaking says as shown in
the discrepancy between Joseph Schmidt's
statement and the interview testimony
Mr. Schmidt disclosed which agency he
worked for and his position within the
Department of Justice. This discredits
the follow-up statement at at uh as he
is at least partially lying.
Um
I mean does this have to happen around
the Epstein scandal? We have a scandal
within a scandal within a scandal. This
is the same week that Donald Trump
within minutes after the 10 uh victims,
the 10 survivors of the Epstein child
sex trafficking who were raped, gave a
press conference, a bipartisan press
conference on Capitol Hill. Moments
later, Donald Trump says, "It's a hoax.
It's a hoax. It's a Democrats are using
it." And then he's got to have uh he's
got to have the speaker of the house
bail him out and say no, he's not saying
that the actual crimes of rape against
children are a hoax. He's saying that
and then goes on to make some claim that
Donald Trump is an FBI informant.
This is this is Mike Johnson actually
said out loud that Donald Trump might
have been an FBI informant back in the
early 2000s against uh Epstein. Well, if
he was, he was a lousy informant because
they ended up giving him a sweetheart
deal. So, what is he saying? That Donald
Trump was actively involved in Alex
Acasta, the US attorney for Southern
District of Florida, giving Max uh
giving Epstein a sweetheart deal to let
him back on the street to rape other
people. It because that's how you make
that connection. Now, I know there's
been reporting that Donald Trump has
been a uh whistleblower in the past or
an an undercover agent, but in this one,
the more logical conclusion is is that
he found a way to help Epstein to get
him that sweetheart deal of having a
nonprosecution agreement and plead
guilty to one count. one count, not
thousands, one count of soliciting uh uh
soliciting prostitution from a minor,
making the victim a prostitute instead
of a child sex trafficking victim. So,
should we lay that at the feet of Donald
Trump itself? Maybe we'll get to ask
after Joseph Schmidt is fired, maybe
we'll get to ask Joseph Schmidt. He can
come on to Midas Touch Network or on
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