Epstein, Donald Trump and Sexual Blackmail Networks (w/ Nick Bryant)
The Chris Hedges YouTube Channel
Jul 16, 2025
Despite a strong desire from the public to get to the bottom of the Jeffrey Epstein case, which saw the trafficking and sexual exploitation of thousands of young girls, the cabal associated with Epstein continues its conspiracy to suppress the ugly truth of the ruling class.
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[Chris Hedges] Following the arrest of Jeffrey Epstein in July 2019, federal authorities seized hundreds, possibly thousands of sexually
suggestive photographs of girls who appear underage, as well as handlabeled
compact discs with titles like Girl Pics nude and with the names redacted.
young name plus name. The New York Times wrote, "The pictures and videos were
held in the safe at Epstein's New York mansion, which was the size of a closet." Business Insider quoted an FBI
agent who said hard drives were also taken from the safe.
The refusal by the Trump administration to release the files and videos amassed
during investigations should put to rest the absurd idea embraced by Trump's
supporters and some gullible liberals that Trump will dismantle the deep state. Trump is part of and has long
been part of the repugnant cabal of politicians, Democrat and Republican,
billionaires and celebrities who look at us and often underage girls and boys as
commodities to exploit for profit or pleasure. The list of those who were in Epstein's orbit is a who's who of the
rich and famous. They include not only Trump but Bill Clinton who allegedly took a trip to Thailand with Epstein,
Prince Andrew, Bill Gates, hedge fund billionaire Glenn Dubin, former New
Mexico Governor Bill Richardson, former Secretary of the Treasury and former president of Harvard
Larry Summers, cognitive psychologist and author Steven Pinker, Alan Dersitz,
billionaire and Victoria's Secret CEO Leslie Wexner, The former Barkclays
banker Jess Staley, former Israeli Prime Minister Aud Barack, the magician David
Copperffield, actor Kevin Spacy, former CIA director William Burns, real estate
mogul Mort Zuckerman, former Maine Senator George Mitchell, and disgraced
producer Harvey Weinstein. All of whom reveled in Epstein's perpetual
bachanelia. They also include law firms and high-priced attorneys, federal and state prosecutors, private
investigators, personal assistants, publicists, servants, and drivers. They
include the numerous procurers and pimps, including Epstein's girlfriend
and daughter of Robert Maxwell, Galileain Maxwell. They include the
media and politicians who ruthlessly discredited and silenced the victims and
strongarmed anyone, including a handful of intrepid reporters seeking to expose
Epstein's crimes and circle of accompllices. There is a lot that remains hidden, but there are some
things we know. Epstein installed hidden cameras in his opulent residences and
his private Caribbean island, Little St. James to capture his highpowered friends
engaging in sexual romps and abuse of teenage and under underage girls and
boys. The recordings were blackmail gold. Were they part of an intelligence operation on behalf of the Israeli
Mossad or were they used to ensure that Epstein had a steady source of investors
who funneled him millions of dollars to avoid being outed? Or were they used for
both? He shuttled underage girls between New York and Palm Beach on his private
jet, the Lolita Express, which was allegedly outfitted with a bed
for group sex. His codery of famous friends, including Clinton and Trump, are recorded as traveling on the jet
numerous times. Joining me to discuss the Epstein case is the journalist Nick Bryant, who un
uploaded Epstein's black book on the internet in 2015, which contain the names and private phone numbers of a
host of powerful and wealthy patrons. He also uploaded Epstein's flight logs from
Epstein's plane, which also contains the names of numerous perpetrators. It is
probably fair to say that Nick has single-handedly released more information about the Epstein case than
any other individual including the attorney general Bam Bondi.
Uh let's begin with uh which I mentioned in the introduction what we know they
have. It is quite voluminous. Well, as you said, Epstein's safe was
drilled the day after he was arrested, and there was a huge cache of child
abuse material that was taken out of his safe. And I think that there were other items. I've been told that there was
blackmail evidence also in in the safe. So, I think that in addition to a huge
cache of child abuse material, there was there was also blackmail material. and the FBI
the day after Epstein was arrested and I believe the dark apparatus that app
deploys people like Epstein, they made sure that that safe was cleaned out real quickly and that's where we get into
problems with what the Trump administration is saying and and Pam Bondi on February 26 she proclaimed that
the Epstein files were on her on her desk and that She was going to open it
up and every there would be full transparency. And then she served us a nothing
sandwich. There were no new revelations. And like you said, I put more incriminating information about Epstein
and his network on the internet in 2015 than she did in 2025. And I saw the
black book. She included the black book that I put up on the internet. And everything was redacted. all the names.
We just redacted numbers. And then there's lots of victims in the black book, too. Well over a hundred. And we
redacted their last name and we we redacted their numbers. So Pam Bondi
said that she was going to go for full transparency and then she served us a a nothing sandwich. And
here's what she said is that she had been been bamboozled by the FBI's New
York field office. So, she was either inept or lying. And I'm a
generous person, so I'm I'm just going to go with inept. And then she said that
there was a truckload of evidence on the Epstein case. and she said only matters
of national security would be redacted. So now she has to tell us
what a bunch of child molesters have to do with national security. So she keeps digging herself deeper and deeper into
the hole. And she acted like that truckload of evidence had never been seen before by anyone. And I'm willing
to wager everything that I have that that child abuse material and everything
in Epstein Safe was being looked at that day and the next day. And there were probably some analysts that didn't even
sleep because they wanted to know exactly what was in Epstein safe. So for her to come out and say that they're
looking at it now, un unbelievably disingenuous. And
her crescendo of macity was
the memo. And no one signed that memo that came out last week. Trump didn't sign it. Bonnie didn't sign it. Patel
didn't sign it. No one wanted to sign that memo to be held accountable. And
there are a couple of things about that memo that I agree with. I believe that there were more than 300 gigabytes of
child abuse material taken out of Epstein's safe. I also believe that
there were well over a thousand victims because Jeffrey Epstein trafficked girls for 25 years.
And then the things that I strongly disagree with are that he did this by
himself and that there wasn't blackmail involved. And if he did this by himself,
why is Gain Maxwell in prison? And what was he was he going to the island with
just some friends occasionally? And why are all these girls listed on the flight logs? It it is so disingenuous and I
think that the Trump administration really underestimated the intelligence
of Americans and also their knowledge of this case. because when they first released those
documents, they must have felt that that would satiate people's curiosity to understand
the Epstein case and it and it did not. And then there was a huge blowback. So,
well, there was there was nothing in those documents that hadn't already been released. Is that correct? Nothing new. No new revelations
whatsoever. As I said, I released more revelations in 2015 than he did that
than she did in 2025. Do do you believe that there is a client list?
I believe that there are files. I I don't believe that it was like the Jeffrey Epstein travel agency and he
kept a list of his clients on his refrigerator with a magnet. I I don't believe that. But I believe that there
was there's definitely a tremendous amount of documentation and also video evidence that there are Epstein files
and if the government really came clean with the Epstein files and what's on the
300 gigabytes, I think that we would really find out who the perpetrators are, who Epstein's co-conspirators are.
Although we do know a number of them already, but we actually we have definitive proof.
Let's talk a little about what we do know. Uh and I want you to talk about the affidavit that was uh about the
woman under a pseudonym in California that was leveled against Trump. Uh but from what you released uh from what we
know, we do have some sense of what these video records may reveal. Can you
talk about that? Now, let's begin with just the Trump case with
I when I put the black book up on the internet, the black book was ultimately perlined by Alfredo Rodriguez who was
Ebstein's house manager and he tried to sell it to one of the attorneys that was
launching civil suits at Epstein and the attorney called the FBI and the FBI did a sting and impounded the black boy. And
then I ultimately came by the black book through one of the attorneys.
And Alfredo Rodriguez had circled a number of names in the black book of people that he
thought were in cahoots with Trump. And then there was Virginia
with Trump or you mean with Epste? With Epstein and with And then we also had the the lawsuit documentation of
Virginia Guofree. Maxwell sued her for defamation and she counters sued and Virginia named a
number of her perpetrators in a lawsuit. And this is where we can get double corroboration. For example,
uh Alfredo Rodriguez circled Gla Maxwell who was definitely a perpetrator and a pimp. And Gurey named her as a
perpetrator and a pimp. Alfredo Rodriguez circled Dude Barack,
the former prime minister of Israel, and Virginia Gurey named him as a
perpetrator and uh a rather nasty character. Less Wexner's name is circled
by Rodriguez and Virginia Guffrey named him as a perpetrator. Alan Dersawitz's
name is circled and Virginia Guffrey named him as a perpetrator and Bill
Richardson's name is circled and Guffrey named him as a perpetrator. is the
former New Mexico max governor and he was also the uh Clinton's energies are
and Jean Lu Brunell's name is circled and he and Epstein put together started
a modeling agent agency called MC squared and Brunell's let me just just let me interrupt uh
Nick because it was copied on Trump's modeling agency. Yes. Yes. And that agency, Jean Luke
Brunell, was buying girls in Eastern Europe, not not renting them, but
actually buying them. And he was bringing them into the United States.
And according to Virginia Grey's affidavit that she swore in 2015,
Epstein and Brunell had some kind of connection with the State Department or some mechanism in the government where
they were able to get either visas or uh passports for these girls who some of
them were well Virginia says they're as young as 12 and there's another report that
they're 11 and 12. But then I know other people that I know therapists who have consult Epstein victims and we can get
into that later. And actually a lot of those victims were or a number of those
victims were under the age of 10. Donald's Trump name, Donald Trump's name
is also circled, but I haven't found any corroboration that he was a pedophilic
perpetrator. There was a case launched by uh Katie Johnson who's in
California and she said that she had been abused by Trump and Epstein and
there was an accompanying affidavit that by a woman named Tiffany Doe who said
that she recruited her but it's very difficult to know what exactly went on
there because she was she I guess was threatened and Lisa
Bloom represented her and from what I've been told she was deposited in a hotel
and this is when Trump and Hillary were in the homestretch and
she was deposited in a hotel and then Lisa Bloom picked her up the next morning and said we're going to go to a
press conference and she wasn't ready for that. Now that's what I've been told.
Now Nick, she was 13. She was searching Katie. Katie Johnson is a pseudonym. Um, in in
the affidavit, she said that uh apparently Trump liked to watch Epstein's orgies while he got a hand
job. That he complained about the oral sex uh given to him by apparently this
13-year-old and a 12-year-old. Is that right? Uh there were actually there was
a young girl named Maria and I don't think we ever found out her age but she
would have been around 12 or 13. Here's the problem with that. I spent
three years looking for Katie Johnson and I ultimately found her
and I've sent her some emails. I I found her about a year and a half ago and I
sent her some emails and she will not respond to me and she's put together a
decent life for herself. She's selling real estate in the Southwest. She's got a boyfriend.
I I was you can see her her how her life's unfolded on uh Facebook and she
goes to Europe with her boyfriend occasionally. So, she's put together a really comfortable life for herself and
she doesn't want to talk to anybody about it. And but what what didn't she get a Isn't I
don't know to which point this is alleged, but wasn't she paid off?
We don't know. I mean, the it's it's it was more the threats
that Okay. It was the threats and then the press conference that really decided
that when she decided that she was going to recant everything that she said. Unfortunately, because of how she was
how she was handled, um it's it's very difficult to know exactly what went on.
And and that's why I looked for her for three years is I I really wanted to know her story, but I I just she wouldn't get
back to me. So, I don't know what to make of that of the affidavit.
All right. The the charge is out there. Yes. Um and but let's talk a little bit about
what we do know about Dersuitz, for instance, who makes these claims that he
uh only traveled on the Lolita Express with his wife. You know, the flight logs
is exposing that to be untrue. Uh but what what do we kn do know about what
happened what these powerful men uh did uh within you know this Epstein orbit?
Well, Dersowitz is long been a misogynist for sure. And
what happened with Durowitz is Virginia Gofrey submitted an affidavit and said that she had been molested by him up to
approximately six times. And then Durowitz went on an offensive against
her two attorneys, Brad Edwards and Paul Cassell. And Cassell had been a former former federal judge.
And Dersowitz was pounding on his chest saying, "I'm going to get their licenses
to practice law. I'm going to make sure that they never practice log in. I only
fly with my wife. She flies everywhere with me. Well, then I got the flight
logs and actually Dersuitz is taking lots of flights with girls like Tatiana
and Claire. And his wife is noticeably
absent from from those flight logs. And in the Gawker article I wrote,
he was asked, "What about this girl? What about that girl?" And his steel trap mind became rather rusty because he
couldn't remember those girls. And and actually the when I we asked him what
the third there was another of a third girl that was her last name was unknown
and he decided to diffuse it with humor. He said that could have been my mother. So with Durowitz and he he's lobbied for
the age of consent to be 14 regardless of the someone's partner and which is
pretty pretty horrible and uh but he he believes in that and I think that
there's somewhere where he's written that child pornography should be illegal
or legal or child abuse material should be legal. So Alan Dersowitz doesn't seem
to be a uh ethical bellweather and his long friendship with Jeffrey Ebstein
demonstrates that they were very very close. And
there was a Vanity Fair article about Dersowitz in I believe 200 or about
Epstein in 2001 and Durowitz is extolling the virtues of Jeffrey Epstein
and he says and then he gets really quaint at the end. He goes, "If Jeffrey
Ebstein didn't have any money, I would still eat hot dogs with him at Coney
Island." So, well, let's talk about Trump because Trump had a 15-year relationship with
Epstein. Uh, I mean, according to Trump's biographer, they were very close
for a long time. According to Michael Wolf, yes, they were very close. And we don't really
know what caused the chasm. Michael Wolf says it was a a real estate deal that
went arry. Other people say that it was but Epstein was trying to procure
underage girls at Marila Lago. So it's hard to know what caused that divide but
yes they were very very good friends. I just Nick I mean Wolf claims that they shared women
and Wolf also claims that he saw pictures of topless underage girls on
Trump's lap too. So these are the things that Michael Wolf has said and he's got
uh a lot of recordings but he hasn't made them public. So
it's going to be interesting. And what I find to be when I had the black book in 2012,
no one wanted to touch it. No one. And I went to every public publication in New
York City and I was talking to editors and publishers and and no one wanted to touch it. And then when we published it
in 2015, I mean the floods gate floodgates opened and there have been tons of ink dumped on stories about the
black book since then. Now Wolf is saying that he has all these recordings,
but no one in the mainstream media is willing to touch it, which you think at
this point someone in the mainstream media would go for it. So that's a little perplexing to me. But I also know
that I've been writing in this about this realm for 22 years and the mainstream media gets very very tenuous
when these types of subjects are brought up. Well, let me tell you why. Because the
people who run these organizations uh circulate in in among these groups.
These are their friends. These are that's how stories got killed at the New York Times.
uh you you know the the real estate developers who were all socializing with
uh Soulsberger the when I was the publisher there when he was the publisher when I was there uh complained
about Sydney Shamberg's writing about their uh you know evicting people and
destroying rent stabilizer and Sydney got fired. I mean, so we have to be clear that that that that they come the
reason the media is uh has been so reticent about reporting on any of this
is because uh they're this is their social circle
and according to a number of things that I read six corporations own 90% of the
media in in our country and how hard would it be to I And because
I've been at this for a long time, it's very easy to compromise people. Um, nothing makes there's three things that
make people really stupid. One is greed, one is arrogance, and one is sex. And a
number of our politicians and a number of our captains of industry have those three in spades.
So, how hard would it be to compromise someone at the top of one of these mega corporations? And then there's also the
Sherman Antirust Act. These Titanic media conglomerates could be broken up
within a week or if we really wanted to use the Sherman Antitrust Act because
they are what the Sherman Antitrust Act was actually conceived for. And the
government refuses to break up these Titanic conglomerates. So I have a
tendency to think that there might be some kind of symbiosis there where the
government and the media agree on certain things and not to cover certain
things. I'm sure that you saw that at the New York Times, especially with the war in Iraq.
Yeah. Le let's talk about what we know. describe for me the world around Epstein
and uh how it worked and uh what to the extent we know Epstein did. We know he
had cameras all over the place. I think there was a report of somebody walking to a room in his uh New York mansion. It
was just filled with video monitors from every room in the mansion. But talk describe to us how that world worked and
what these powerful figures Clinton and others did within it.
Well, we got to go back to the Palm Beach
Police Department. There was a 14-year-old girl that told her stepmother that she'd been molested by
Jeffrey Ebstein and the 14-year-old girl took her to the Palm Beach Police
Department and she told the Palm Beach Police Department. And the Palm Beach Police Department really didn't know much about Epstein. They just thought
that he was a multi-millionaire philanthropic type. They didn't they didn't have a beat on him at all. And
the girl described the interior of his home and also described his anatomy. And
that was enough for them to start launching investigation. And there was a girl named Haley Robson
who was who had recruited this girl and then she was plundering various high
schools for other underage girls. and she had been used by Epstein when she
was a minor, too. And Epstein would give her $200 or $300 for every victim that
she recruited. The Palm Beach Police Department ultimately found 23 victims of Jeffrey
Epstein, and they had the statements of five, but then they had corroborating statements of 17 people.
So they were going to arrest Jeffrey Epstein on five counts of unlawful
sexual activity with a minor and one count of lewd and lascivious molestation which
could have put Jeffrey Epstein in prison for the rest of his life on just those counts. But then they knew of 17 other
underage victims and that case got taken away from them and it was given to a
grand jury in Florida. And I don't know if your audience is familiar with how grand juries work, but
a special prosecutor is chosen to oversee a grand jury. And it's not adversarial. Grand jurors are just
citizens that have shown up for jury duty and they've been funneled into a grand jury. and the special prosecutor
shows them the evidence that he deems or she deems is important and calls the
witnesses that he or she deems is important. And there was a New York Supreme Court judge who said that
special prosecutors have so much power over grand jurors that they could get them to indict a ham sandwich. So what
happened with that Ebstein case was there were only two victims that were
called. Um, one had been 14 when she was molested by Epstein and now she was 16
and one had been 16 when she was molested by Epstein multiple times and now she was 18. And they were skewered
by this special prosecutor. Just skewered. And
that grand jury didn't indict Jeffrey Epstein on a single count of child abuse. And what's very strange is it
indicted him on a one count of adult pandering when the only two victims that
testified were had been minors. So that and I've got the transcripts of actually
that grand jury and people can go to my website uh epstejjustice.com or the
website that uh I'm the director of uh a 501c3 called epste justice and I I show
how just how ridiculous that the grand jurors and the uh special
prosecutor are are calling these girls prostitutes. No, I mean the poor girl was molested
when she was 14 and it really scarred her. And and that's what people don't understand is
if you get molested when you're 14, it can scar you for the rest of your life. I mean, it can really be damaging, very
damn it can be damaging. So, Michael Ryder, who was the chief of the Palm
Beach Police Department, he is the real hero in this story. He would not back
down. I mean, and he took lots of threats and there was a lot of pressure
put on him, but he's a good guy and he's an honest guy and he's an ethical guy.
He wouldn't back down. And then he went to the Department of Justice and said he
called that grand jury the greatest miscarriage of justice in in modern times. and he went to the uh Department
of Justice and Alexander Aosta was the US attorney for the District of Southern
Florida at that time. And Alexander Aosta and the Department of
Justice acted like they were going to impanel a grand jury, but then there was radio silence.
And what they were doing was working out a deal with Epstein and his dream team
of lawyers which included Alan Dersowitz and Ken Starr that was so profidious
that it's kind of mindboggling and I'll get into it. So they worked out a nonprosecution agreement with Jeffrey
Epstein and then they sealed it. Now there's a law called the uh victim's
right uh victim crime right act and
according to that law when you victims of of crimes get to follow the
adjudication of their perpetrator and actually get to confront their perpetrator. But the Department of
Justice bypassed all of that and sealed that agreement and
the judge and then it was appealed and the judge in Florida uh Judge Mea
ultimately wanted to unseal it but then but then the feds appealed his decision and it was decided in the 11th uh
circuit and the 11th Circuit said this should be unsealed. these documents
should be unsealed. And and it was a it's a treasure trove. I' I've got like emails between um assistant US attorney
Amarie Vilifana and Jay Lefgoitz who's one of Epstein's attorney and the deal
that they put together was so dirty. Amarie Vilifana in an email says to Jay
Lefkowitz, we have to get there's one magistrate that that will sign off on
this and we have to go before him. So they they eventually got their magistrate. But what happened with that
deal is not only were the victims given they weren't given any kind of say
into what happened to Jeffrey Epstein, but that document gave blanket immunity
to all of Jeffrey Epstein's co-conspirators. Blanket immunity. Everyone.
But But did they did they they didn't name them, did they? They they named they named a number of them. Yeah. Four that were named and then others who
were unnamed. Is that correct? So there yes there were four that were named but then but it it's it's very
definitive. It gave blanket immunity to everybody anybody that was associated with Jeffrey Epstein.
So after that, Epstein was required, the the feds made
a deal with the state and Epstein was supposed to get 18 months and then he served 13 and he would go out during the
day and he would actually molest underage girls while he was He only had to be you only had to be in
the cell at night. At night. Yes. So he would molest underage girls when he was ostensibly
incarcerated. And that deal is so dirty. And then
Alexander Aosta was getting vetted by the the Trump administ. He was a US attorney for the
Southern District. He was getting vetted by the Trump administration as labor secretary.
And he was asked, "Why did you go so light on Ebstein?" And he said, "I was told that Jeffrey
Ebstein was intelligence and I had to stand down. It was above my pay grade."
And now there's only and and I looked into this and I've talked to various legal scholars. There's only two people
in the government that can tell a US attorney to stand out. One is the
attorney general and one is the president. And this was in 2007. So the
attorney general was Alberto Gonzalez and the president was George Bush 2.
And I can't imagine that an attorney general is going to tell a US attorney
to cover up a nationwide pedophile network without getting the okay from his boss, the president. He's not going
to go out on a limb like that. So the Epstein case was covered up at the
very apex of the Bush 2 administration. And then the Obama administration
continued to cover up in the Biden administration and also the uh the Trump administration.
Let's talk a little bit about how it worked. I mean just uh he had his private island. Uh he had a huge uh
opulent mansion in New York. He had a large ranch. I think it was in New Mexico. He had his Florida residents. Uh
he would host these dinners with uh you know opulent dinners. No. And and by the
way, nobody could quite none of us really understand why he got all the money he did. He got quite a bit of
money from Wexter um from Victoria's Secret. There's been of course allegations that he had a
homosexual relationship with Wexter. I don't know. uh but he himself uh didn't
seem to do much. He I don't think he ever finished college, right? He was a college dropout or something. Uh and but
he amassed you know millions upon millions from this wealthy clientele. Uh
but just talk a little bit how worked uh you know with the island with the uh
people visiting him just the logistics of it. When I wrote a book called The Franklin
Scandal, and the Epstein scandal is very much a carbon copy of the Franklin
Scandal in in many ways. It was about a nationwide pedophile network that was covered up. And there isn't any books
about stuff like this. Well, now there is. There's the Franklin scandal, but I was trying to wrap my head around this
whole thing. I mean, I a nationwide network uh trafficking all these
children, blackmail intelligence. It it has all the stuff that Epstein has. And I eventually got a blackmail
photographer to talk and he was very honest with me at certain
points and then he became rather unuous uh later, but I believe that he was
telling me the truth early on for the most part. But he told me, I said, I
said, "How does this work?" And he said, "Well, once you're compromised, it's like you're on a yacht. It's a
beautiful yacht and it's a beautiful day and you can have anything you want on that yacht. But if you decide to get off
that yacht, the people on the yacht are going to make sure that you drown. And there's zero incentive once someone
is compromised. There's zero incentive for them to get off the yacht." and actually being compromised is going to
help their career. Dennis Hastard is a perfect example. He had been a pedarass
going back 30 or 40 years and his ascent in the House of Representatives was
meteoric and he was the uh speaker of the house for seven
years even though he had this very dark background. And according to Sabel
Edmonds, the FBI, she's a FBI whistleblower. The FBI was aware of Dennis Hastard's shadow
life when he was speaker of the house. So that was obviously a situation where
they were told to stand down like Alexander Aosta was told to stand down and because he was compromised.
He was if you're if you're compromised you're controlled. This is what Hoover at the
FBI did. He had files on everyone uh and he used those files to maintain
his own power. And I think that there's a dark
malignant corner of our intelligence. I hate to call it the CIA, but it might be some dark malignant corner of the CIA
that that compromises people. And compromat is not something that's new.
And our media refuses to talk about it, which I find kind of mindboggling
because it's so obvious. There was a uh Tennessee representative, US representative named Tim Burchette uh
came out about a year and a half ago and said, "My colleagues are being compromised in honey traps." And
actually I had dinner with him about three well about four months ago and I
was just amazed that a city congressman, US congressman would come out and say
that my colleagues are being compromised. And um I I was I was amazed
by that type of integrity because I've I've known it for quite some time. But compromat is as old as our republic. And
there was Alexander Hamilton was having an affair with a a 23-year-old and she
was married and her husband was blackmailing Alexander Hamilton. And there was a muckreking journalist that
came across the story and outed Alexander Hamilton as having this affair. And Jefferson and Hamilton had a
lot of antipathy towards each other. So this muckreaking journalist felt that he would get some kind of position in
Jefferson's administration. And when Jefferson refused, he wrote a story
about Jefferson having sex with one of his slaves, Sally Hemings. And and DNA has shown that
there's definitely that there was a relationship between Sally Hemings and um and Thomas Jefferson. So when we're
talking about compat, we're we're we're talking about it was it's been going on
forever, but but it was certainly at the heart of u our our our republic.
And then there's one example that I really like to to use as far as being
compromised. Uh Larry Craig was in Washington DC for 25 years and he was a
very conservative anti-gay family values guy. And actually I think he had the worst record of
voting for gay rights in in the Senate. And I wrote a book called Confessions of
a DC Madam: The Politics of Sex Lies and Blackmail. And I wrote it with a guy who wrote who ran the largest escort service
in Washington DC. and he was giving sending escorts to Craig all the time.
And then there was a documentary called Outrage. It was made by an eminent documentary maker, Kirby Dick, and he
looked at closeted politicians and how they vote against gay rights. And and Craig came up in that movie. And there
were Kirby interviewed a number of people that escorts that had had liaison
with Craig and that weren't involved with Henry Vincent. So Craig was in
Washington DC for 25 years as a as a hardcore conservative getting escorts
from all over. And what happened to him? He was in a
bathroom in Minneapolis and there's, I guess, like a a signaling
system for gay people in bathrooms where one slaps his foot against the ground
and then the other one realizes that he's hot to trot. And so that happened
to Craig. He got arrested in a airport in Minneapolis
for soliciting a vice squad cop. Now, so
here's a US senator that's trying to pick people up in bathrooms. How hard would it be to
compromise that guy? I mean, a kid for extra credit with a smartphone could
compromise Larry Craig. And I'm from Minneapolis and I go back to Minneapolis
about once a year. And I was sitting on a commode in a in a bathroom and
there was a guy in the stall next to me and he was slapping his foot on the ground. I mean really hard and
I thought to myself he had some kind of neurological disorder and but I'm just glad I was about to say can I help you
and I'm just glad that I I didn't say that. So when we talk about blackmail
we've got multiple examples of blackmail. Um so who who's blackmail? Who is it? Who?
So, you know, if these people are compromised, I know it's speculation. I mean, there
you know uh uh Gileain Maxwell's father
very close ties with Mossad, Robert Maxwell, Ahood Barack, I think he what
is he recorded 36 times visiting Epstein. uh
you know to the extent that who's blackmailing who how is it working. So over the years I've talked to people
about compromat and blackmailing and from what I understand the three
countries that are the bellweathers of blackmail are the United States, Israel and uh the UK. One would think that
Russia would be in that mix. I mean because pretty high up there. Ask anybody who served as a diplomat in Moscow.
Absolutely. And one would think that Russia would be in that mix, too. But the people that I've talked to about it
have said that those are the top three, US, Israel, and uh and the UK.
So, blackmail has been integral to our political system. And with the Franklin
scandal, with Confessions of a DC madam with Ebstein, there was a CIA asset who
when I wrote Confessions of a DC madam, there was a CI asset and we were able to show that he was a CI asset who was
getting gay escorts from Henry Vincent. He was sp and and we're talking mid 80s.
He was spending up to $25,000 a month on gay escorts. and his home was wired for
audiovisisual blackmail and he was definitely a CI asset with Ebstein.
People say, "Was he working for the MSAD?" And my reply on that is generally
Epstein very well might have been working with the MSAD. But I can't imagine the CIA letting the MSAD
compromise American politicians on American soil without getting a cut of that intelligence. And when I think of
the MSAD and I think of the CIA, I kind of think of the Genovves crime family and the Gambino crime family that
they're always working together. And I think what we have with these intelligence services is very large
crime families. Although there are people in these intelligence services that know nothing about the darker side.
I I I should say that I I have met people in the CIA that or who have
worked for the CIA that I think are pretty decent and they it's so compartmentalized there that although
one of them had gone to a pretty high level he was not aware of like MK Ultra
he he he was not aware of that at all. So let's let's talk let's talk before we
close here about what all this means why it's important. Uh it has of course
created divisions within the MAGA base who feel betrayed. Uh why why is this
important and and what's going to happen next? Uh you know there were reports once that Ronald Reagan was the from his
time in Hollywood there was a video of him I don't know having a sexual romp which the Reagan administration managed
to quite effectively destroy. That may be rumor. I can't remember where I read it but but let's talk about what all
this means. What this means is that with our some
dark malignant corner of our intelligence and we know about the CIA fermenting
coups and releasing mosquitoes with deni fever over Cuba. I mean the CIA has done a lot
of nasty things to a lot of different countries. We've impo like pinch the
Shaw um Suarto. I mean, the CIA had their hand in all of that and those guys
were pretty uh genocidal, especially Suartto, but and Americans have come to accept
that and we've been lied to a lot. Um I think we were lied to about the genesis
of COVID. I I do believe that it came out of that Wuhan lab and actually there
have been a number of scientists that have said that it did and the government has more or less conceded that. We were lied to about that.
No one no heads rolled. We were lied to about the financial meltdown. Uh, no heads rolled. And we were lied to about
the Iraq war. Blatant lies. That that actually could have been exposed in real time,
but no heads rolled. This is different. Let's be clear, Nick. Those few of us
who tried Yes. had rather ruthlessly pushed aside to
put it mildly. It didn't work out very well for you when you tried to tell the truth about
Iraq. But molesting children,
that's something completely different. Molesting American children, that's
something that's completely different. And and I think that
Americans have learned a lot about malfeasants from the CIA over the years,
but this is something that just is very troubling. And I just think that
Americans, they can eat a lot of lies, but about
child sexual abuse and the government's involvement, they cannot eat that lie.
Because when you when you cover up a crime, you're aiding and betting that crime. So, in the very least, our
government is aiding and betting child trafficking. And if you look at the numbers of the abuse that happens in the
United States, um I'm using Centers for disease control numbers, um according to
the CDC, 25% of underage girls and 5% of underage boys have been molested. And
people in the field think it's slightly conservative for underage boys or for underage girls and way too conservative
for underage boys. But if you just go with the CDC numbers, you've got over 50 million Americans that have been
molested when they were underage. And um and the Department of Health and Human
Services commissioned a study and that study
found that uh between 240,000 and 325,000
women and children are trafficked in the United States every year. And this is
where it gets kind of mind-blowing is if we just go with 240,000, if we go
with the lowest number um of the department Department of Health and
Human Services report, there's a federal human trafficking report that comes out every year and in
2023, which is the la the latest one, it found
that 664 individuals in the United States had been charged with child
trafficking and there's millions of hours of child
abuse material that infests the internet. And last year there were 1,375
individuals that were convicted for making child abuse material and
disseminating it. So, you've got millions of Americans that
have been molested, that have been trafficked, and this is something that
people can identify with because it's so ubiquitous in our society. One in four
girls have been molested when they were underage. So, this is something that
regardless of what the CIA has done in the past or intelligence has done in the past, this is something that can't be
overlooked. And Trump said that he was going to be transparent about this. And
that memo that they released last week is, I mean, completely fabricated,
completely fabricated. And I mean, there are some mega people that will drink the
Kool-Aid, but there's a lot of good people that believed in Trump and they
cannot abide by that document. They cannot sign off on on those lies and
that document because that document is saying that all these
victims of Jeffrey Ebstein, all of them or or most of them when they say that
they were abused by other people are lying.
And the victim, the Epstein victim's compensation fund
was established to give settlements to women that had been trafficked and molested by Jeffrey Epstein. 225 women
have applied and 150 settlements have been awarded and 12 people and 12 women
have declined settlements because if you get and and David Boy is one of the
architects of the victim compensation program and he's a very
he's a dirty I believe he's he's a very dirty lawyer but anyway he oversaw this and he represent a number of these
victims but if you get a settlement from that fund or that program, you've got to
sign an NDA and you cannot name any other of your perpetrators. So, that's
another example of if these girls didn't have other perpetrators, why why did
they have to sign an NDA where they can't name additional perpetrators? And this is where it gets really ominous.
Um, well, I mean, the whole thing is ominous, but it even gets more ominous. I uh I've been involved in I've been an
activist with anti-child trafficking for for a number of years. As soon as I realized how endemic it was. I and I've
the National Center on Sexual Exploitation has like a global summit every year and I've spoken at three of
those and I've spoken at a number of conferences and over the years I've gotten to know a lot of therapists,
psychologist, psychiatrists that work with uh victims of sexual abuse.
And one of them is an eminent psychologist. Everyone in that field would know her
name. And she had a client who described the interior of Epstein's home. And a
number of things about Epstein that she possibly couldn't have known unless she was there. But she was trafficked by
Epstein when she was under 10 years old. and she
the psychologist tried to get her uh compensation from that fund and the fund
wouldn't give it to her. And that happened with another therapist that I know who believes that she is counseling
or has a client of someone who was trafficked by Epstein when she was under 10 years old.
And that's another really really egregious side of the media is the media
has decided that the youngest victim is 14, which is really bad, but they're not going to report on victims under the age
of 14. And Virginia Guys said that these pedophilic orgies definitely had girls that were 12.
And let's and let's be let's mention that she committed suicide. I think her father claims, but anyway,
she committed suicide. I just want to close with Epstein's death. Um, we don't have any footage despite what uh has
been said there. The cameras were not working in his cell block, so we don't know what happened. Uh, the former New
York medical examiner who was hired by his brother uh and over oversaw the
autopsy claimed that his injuries were uh consistent with a homicide. Uh let's
just close with that uh that uh what happened to Epstein himself. Well, I mean there were a lot of
anomalies that night where cameras weren't working and
you know the department of uh or the Bureau of Prisons took a lot of heat for that. And if they had cogent video of
that night in Epstein's cell, they would have released it at that point. What was released by the Trump administration was
was was a joke. I mean, even if it wasn't edited, it was still a joke. And
um Well, it wasn't it wasn't anywhere near his cell. No. Right. No, it was that But but here's the thing
about that. I've been approached by various
news outlets to talk about Jeffrey Epstein's death and and I generally declined because that's something that
you can go around in circles with. Yeah. What I want with Jeffrey Epstein is I
want justice for the victims and I want the government to come clean. And I started a organization of 501c3 called
Ebstein Justice. And your audience can go to epstejjustice.com.
And we have webinars every month and we provide people with the tools that they
can use to start push putting pressure on their legislators. And there was a uh
let me see if I can find it here.
There was a uh a motion
uh house resolution 3633 that was offered by Representative Kanye
that require the attorney general preserve and release any records related to Jeffrey Epstein.
Representative Fishbach voted no. Representative Norman voted yes.
Representative Hutchin voted no. Uh, Representative Langworthy voted no.
Representative Austin Scott voted no. Representative Griffith voted no. Uh,
Representative Austin Jack voted no. And then the chairperson uh uh Representative Fox voted no. So
they qu it was defeated by it was it was a seven to five defeat. So these are we
can name these representatives. these representatives are trying to impede uh
our knowledge of Jeffrey Epstein and we're going to address those
representatives and actually with our in our next uh webinar which is on July
22nd we're going to show how these representatives have impeded.
We got to we got to start calling people out individually. What about Gileain Maxwell? She's serving a 20-year sentence. Uh she must
know a lot. Uh but she hasn't spoken. Well, she built the machine or certainly
helped build the machine that destroyed a lot of girls. We're getting mixed messages from what's
happening with Glenn Maxwell. I mean, for her to only be sentenced to 20 years is a joke because child trafficking is a
heavy sentence in the federal system. It's 15 years to life. And Glaine Maxwell
was guilty of multiple counts of child driving, but she was only indicted on one. And she was given 20 years, but she
was indicted on two conspiracies. And no one else was indicted. I mean, that just shows you how scurry this whole thing
is. And she was moved in. If if you're an exemplary inmate and you're getting
pretty close to the end of your sentence, you're often moved into a dormatory style living, which is very
easy, much easier than the the bars and the cells. And u she was moved into
dormatory living very very quickly. So, she's
been treated about as cush as a prisoner can possibly be treated and she knows a
lot. I believe that she was told to keep her mouth shut and eat some time and
that and then she'll be taken care of or be able to keep all the money. And with the Franklin scandal, you had one of the
pimps kept his mouth shut, bit about 10 years for crimes that weren't related to
child abuse, and then he had a no-show job waiting for him in uh Alexander,
Virginia at a BMW dealership. And the other one committed suicide. And I think the other
one, now it's speculated, his name was Craig Spence. speculated on the internet that he was suicided. I have a tendency
to think that Craig Spence was given a deal that he he could either kill himself or else the dark malignant
corner of intelligence that he worked for and compromised people with would kill him. I think I think that he was
given that alternative and because he was a guy that was too used to creature
comforts and and living the high life. And I think Epstein was too. I think Epstein was um
he I I don't think he would have gone gently into that good night, which would
definitely have been a motive to kill him. And and we should be clear that according to Wolf anyway, Trump was
considering giving Gileain Maxwell a pardon.
According to Wolf, I haven't seen any information other than what's come up
from Michael Wolf about that. Uh what's interesting about Maxwell's
uh adjudication is that it's been brought to the Supreme Court.
She's been uh denied on at every appellet level and the Department of
Justice has put her case on suspension twice.
So, we have no idea what's going on there. Whether the Department of Justice is building a bigger case for her
against her, although it's really be difficult to build a a a much more
airtight case against her, Iron Clyde case. So, but the but the Department of Justice has suspended it the vote or
whether or not the Supreme Court's going to listen to the Glenn Maxwell case twice. So that's that is something it
could be there's a huge turnover in the judiciary um because of the Trump administration
or it could be something ominous. We just have to find out. We have to wait and see and then we'll find out.
Great. Thanks Nick. I want to thank Diego and Thomas Sophia uh and Max as
well as Victor who produced the show. You can find me at chris edges.substack. substack.com.
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