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@liberalinoklahoma1888
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A HATE MONGER WAS KILLED
BY ANOTHER HATE MONGER
BECAUSE HE DID NOT HATE ENOUGH !!!

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Democrats should prepare "The Charlie Kirk Gun Safety Law". Let's see how many Republicans vote against it.

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Netanyahu’s Crude Exploitation of Charlie Kirk’s Death
by Glenn Greenwald
Sept. 13, 2025

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It's been a frequent theme in my reporting over the years on this show over the last several years that
emotions are often easily exploited when they're at their peak moment, their peak
level of intensity and then they're misdirected opportunistically for all sorts of ends that people end up
regretting. talked a lot about how that happened when Russia invaded Ukraine and the propaganda was so intense showing
grandmothers in Ukraine who were dying and people got very emotionally invested
in Ukraine and four years later now we're still funding it we're still arming it and a lot of people have come
to regret that same thing happened after 911 of course where people ended up cheering for all sorts of things they've come to regret last night was September
11th 24th anniversary of that attack where we examined many of those lessons that I would hope people have learned
about guarding against exploitation of their strong emotions after an event of a kind like that attack or the COVID
attack uh the COVID uh pandemic or the assassination of Charlie Kirk, but one
person who understands very well how to exploit the opinions and emotions
of American citizens. That's not just my assessment. He's boasted openly about how adept he is at manipulating American
public opinion for the interest of Israel is Benjamin Netanyahu. He really is talented at being able to deceitfully
exploit emotions and attach himself to them and then redirect them towards Israel's interest. And I've never seen
him do it quite as brazenly as he's been doing this week ever since the moment that Charlie Kirk was shot.
Benjamin, who was all over Twitter, attaching himself to Charlie Kirk, depicting Charlie Kirk as some sort of
ultimate and supreme supporter of and loyalist to the state of Israel. And
therefore, if you're having a lot of emotions about Charlie Kirk, you're sad that he was so brutally assassinated. if
you're angry about it, if you uh are remembering all the things to admire
about Charlie Kirk, he's trying to take those emotions and get you to believe that the only adequate vehicle for
expression of them is to believe everything that Charlie Kirk believed, and that includes, according to Netanyahu, that he was a one of the
greatest and most stalwart defenders of the American financing of Israel and arming of Israel and support for Israel
and subservience to Israel. And in fact, nothing could be further from the truth.
You can for sure find a lot of statements from Charlie Kirk, particularly over the LA uh the many
years where he absolutely expressed support for Israel. He talked about how his Christianity made him view Jerusalem
in particular as a very holy place and what he called Judea and Samaria. He
was definitely pro-Israel in a lot of statements. There's no doubt about that.
But as the American right began to become more about America first, as they became more inter non-interventionist,
as young people in particular began to turn against Israel and the war in Gaza, as all polling show they did, Charlie at
being part of this youth movement, being part of the younger generation, began openly questioning Israel in a way
that was very alarming to Israel, especially after Chuck Carlson had been
doing that, after Candace Owens had been doing that, after a large part with the American right, especially younger people. We're starting to question the
US's relationship. This has been a major major source of alarm
on the part of Netanyahu and Israel and the US uh the Israel lobby in the US. And one of their main goals is to whip
the American right back into line where they've always been when it comes to Israel. You've always had some prominent people on the American right like Pap
Buchanan and Ron Paul be extremely critical of Israel, extremely opposed to
US funding of Israel, but they were kind of dismissed and shunted to the side of
the fringe in large part because of those views. But it was really only after the last 18
20 months, 21 months when we saw not just this intense Israeli bombing
and killing and slaughter and ultimately genocide in in Gaza, but also the wars
that the US got involved in in in Yemen and then bombing Iran with Israel and on
behalf of Israel that the serious questioning of wait, why are we financing this country? Why are we
always serving it? Why do our politicians just talk incessantly about the importance of it?
And they don't care that that happens on the left. They kind of wrote the left off. That's why Netanyahu often
demonizes the two groups Israel regards as most threatening to their to their hegemony
in the United States, Muslims and leftist. And he always tries to fuse those together to make you believe that
Israel's enemies is your are your enemies. That's been a tactic of Israel for as
long as I can remember. That's why Ben Netanyahu was so excited about September September 11th. He understood that, oh,
this can be an American war against Islam, against the Muslim world, which is what we want more than anything. And
he came to the United States in 2002 when emotions about September 11th were still very high. And he sold the Iraq
war. Not saying that's the reason the US did it, but he was a vocal advocate of
the Iraq war, connecting it to 911, promising how it would transform the region. The Israelis openly wanted the
US to go and engineer regime change in seven different countries, including
most places where we've now done that, Libya and Syria and Iraq,
and also in Iran. That still is their goal. So exploiting the emotions of the
American people on behalf of Israel is something that Nahu indisputably is extremely good at. And he's been
ubiquitous in the American media. I mean, he's presiding over a genocide. Every day Israel is slaughtering
Palestinians in Gaza and destroying Gaza. But he believes, and he probably is right about this, that this is an
extremely important opportunity for Israel to exploit the death of Charlie Kirk, to exploit his memory, to exploit
the positive emotions toward him, the admiration for him being expressed on the right, to basically construct him as
a martyr of Israel. So that any admiration you have for Charlie Kirk means that you are revering
somebody who was one of Israel's closest friends. And that is simply false. You'll be
surprised to learn that Netanyahu is not telling the truth about that. And there's a lot of other Israel supporters
who are engaged in the same mission. Earlier today, Tucker Carlson, who is
one of the main reasons that a lot of the American right has started to turn against Israel, was on with Megan Kelly
and they were talking about Charlie Kirk and specifically this kind of
anti-interventionist, especially anti-war when it came to the Middle East and questioning of Israel
that he had been exhibiting over the past, at least since the beginning of the Trump administration in a way that has been deeply worrying to Israel.
Here's what they had to say. He was one of the only people, I mean truly one of the only people to go to
the president whom he loved. He loved Donald Trump like personally as well. And I and I think the president really
loved him in a real way. Um, but he was one of the only people to go to the Oval Office and say, "Sir, I totally understand and think Iran's
really bad, but a war with Iran is not, you know, is is is something that could really hurt our country." I mean, boy,
that was an unpopular position. He didn't need to express it. Oh, of course. And he did it again. He didn't
have some weird agenda. He wasn't mad at anybody. He was for his country and he was for doing the right and wise and
difficult thing. And he said that he went to the Oval Office to say that. He took massive, massive abuse from his own
donors, which is also something that you don't see people. And he loved his donors. It wasn't a hostile thing, but
they had a different view. A lot of them, not all, but a lot. And they expressed it to him in a very intense
way. I know because he showed me and he said, "Look, I understand your perspective. This is my perspective and
we're going to do what we think is the right thing, the wise thing." In that way, too, he was the voice of young people. I mean, there are no young
people in the country anymore supporting this war and wanting Israel to continue its bombing campaign. That's just the
truth. Look at the polls. And he was in touch with them. And even where his own opinion may have differed from their
opinion, he felt like he owed it to them to bring their message to the sitting
president of the United States. I mean, it was that's what's been snuffed out.
I I think that's actually an extremely important point that Megan made there, which is that, okay, it's one thing for
Tucker Carlson to really become vocal against the wars that Israel is
fighting. Uh, and they are worried about that. It's also very worrying when
someone like Candace Owens does it, who's roughly Charlie Kirk's age, even though she doesn't quite have the
influence among say young people. I think she is more of a broader influence in in the conservative movement, but
it's very worrying when she does it. But Charlie Kirk, you know, I said this about Nick Fentes
about the enormous amount of influence that he has assembled when it comes to young people on the American right.
Charlie Kirk is one of the people you could, you know, say might have even might have more influence, have had more
influence among especially young conservatives than anybody else. More than Ben Shapiro, more than Tucker, more
than Nick Fentes. and he was very entrenched right at the
peak of Republican power of conservative power. I mean he was close friends with Donald Trump and JD Vance and you know
that's the president vice president and everybody down the line. So for Charlie Kirk to start representing this massive
change in American attitudes toward Israel, given that Charlie Kirk had
always been a supporter of Israel, given that many of his donors are extremely
pro-Israel, as Tucker said, in a way that could have been the most
alarming danger for Israel possible. the thing they were most worried about that he was
clearly moving away from that pro-Israel stance in a way that might have been almost a tipping point in in right-wing
politics. Just to give you uh one example of what Tucker was talking about, in
April of 2025, Tucker Carlson had basically said he was
in touch with people very closely at the White House and knew that there was a serious movement to have the United
States abandon its diplomacy that Trump kept promising was going to resolve the problem with Iran and instead to bomb
Iran, to go to war for for Israel and with Israel in Iran.
And Tucker came out with a big dramatic statement about how dangerous this is. And right around the same time, might
have even been the same day, day before, day after, it was really right around the same time, this is what Charlie Kirk
posted to X. Quote, "It's going unnoticed because so much other news is
happening, but the war drums are beating again in DC. The wararmongers worry this
is their last chance to get the white whale they've been chasing for 30 years, namely an allout regime change war
against Iran. So he's denouncing and warning about the so-called wararm mongers who he says
have as their primary goal an allout regime change against Iran. Who is he talking about there? Neocons, Israel
supporters, Israelis. Obviously, that's who had as their white whale an all-out regime change war against Iran. He was
denouncing them and warning of their dangers. This is what he said. Quote, "A new Middle East war would be a catastrophic mistake. Our military
stockpiles are depleted from three years of backing Ukraine. Our effort to restore manufacturing has only just
begun and will take years to bear fruit. War could worsen our already immense deficit and international debt. Iran is
larger than Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan combined. A war would not be easy and could easily become a calamity. Thanks
to President Trump's restraint during the first term, America has a golden opportunity to pull away from the Middle East quagmires for good. We shouldn't
throw that opportunity away so that some DC husbands can feel tough by sending young
Americans to die yet again. I mean, it's hard to overstate
what a significant statement that was. He wasn't just
warning about the dangers of a war with Iran. He was denouncing a very specific group of people in Washington in the
Republican party in the conservative movement, calling them hasbins and wararm mongers and warning about how
they were pushing for regime change in Iran in order to
benefit Israel. Now, what Charlie Kirk also was was very loyal to President Trump and oftentimes
he would express these things and he would find a way to still support Trump even when Trump did them. You can debate that. But in many instances, Charlie
Kirk's become increasingly outspoken about his discomfort with
the USIsrael relationship. And now that Charlie Kirk can't speak
for himself any longer because he was just savagely assassinated,
Benjamin popped up immediately to speak for him to tell you who Charlie Kirk was
when it came to Israel. Not in Charlie Kirk's words, but in Netanyahu's.
Here's what Netanyahu said on Wednesday. So this was the day after Charlie Kirk
was killed. quote, "Charlie Kirk was murdered for speaking truth and defending freedom, a lionhearted friend
of Israel. He fought the lies and stood tall for Judeo-Christian civilization. I spoke to
him only two weeks ago and invited him to Israel." Sadly, that visit will not take place.
Note that Netanyahu didn't indicate that Charlie Kirk had accepted that invitation or planned to go
and several sources very close to him indicate that he did not. Netanyahu added, "We lost an incredible human
being. His boundless pride in America and his valiant belief in free speech will leave a lasting impact." Yes,
Netanyahu is a very fervent believer in free speech. Rest in peace, Charlie Kirk.
I mean, he just swooped in. He saw that opportunity. And you notice what the only thing that mattered was he was a
stalwart friend of Israel. I spoke to him two weeks ago. So, there's this outpouring of love for Charlie Kirk and
then comes Ben say, "I loved him too. I'm mourning with you because he he was
such a stalwart defender champion of Israel and every chance that now he gets he
defines western values as Judeo-Christian so that Jews and Christians unite
against Muslims or so that Christians who dominate in the West
see Jews in Israel as an essential part of their agenda because we're they're
united. everyone is united in Judeo-Christian values, which he says is what Charlie Kirk
most vigorously defended. I've heard Charlie Kirk talk a lot about his religion, his Christianity.
As I said, I've been on his show. I've talked to him before, and I don't think Benjamin should be talking for him.
There's a lot of evidence of Charlie Kirk speaking on these issues himself, but this is what Netanyahu is absolutely
up to. The next day he went on Newsmax and I'm saying he's all over American media,
multiple media appearances day, all over X, all over social media, inserting himself into
this national upheaval around the assassination of Charlie Kirk, obviously for Israel's purposes. And he was on
with Greta Van Sust and this is what he claimed happened. You know, they're trying to delegitimize
the state of Israel. Charlie Kirk said to me that he wrote me this detail letter. You have to fight the slander.
These untruths, these vilifications have consequences. And he was right. But I'll
tell you one thing. We're fighting on the battlefield against the terrorists and winning. And he was fighting on the
battlefield of ideas. And I think he was winning. He was going to win. That's why they shot him. I hope they don't silence
him. I don't think people will give into these ridiculous, ridiculous lies.
Now, a lot of people who are very close to Charlie Kirk, like Candace Owens,
said that the letter Charlie Kirk wrote to Netanyahu was wildly distorted and and
misrepresented by Netanyahu. I mean, if he's going to talk about the letter, he ought to
release it so that we can actually see whether Netanyahu is accurately describing it.
Here is Netanyahu on Fox. This was also yesterday. I'm telling you, Netanyahu's
primary mission this week was exploiting Charlie Kirk's assassination.
You would think he's like someone with nothing to do. It was just like a the best friend of Charlie Kirk and he's in mourning and grief and grieving. That's
why he's all over the media. This is his number one priority. And you should really think about why. Why is
the assassination of Charlie Kirk and his desire to speak to the American people about it such an crucial priority
to him while his country is engulfed in not just wars but all kinds of political crises that he's at the center of
scandals and crisis upheaval. Here's Netanyahu on Fox. This was
yesterday where he elaborates on this letter that he alleges Charlie Kirk wrote and
makes other claims about Charlie Kirk views about Israel. Prime Minister, you have your own memories of Charlie Kirk.
Please share them. Well, Harris, before I do that, I have to say that we're just heartbroken.
myself, my my wife, my family, my son actually, and his 2019 visit to Israel.
Had lunch with him and his wife Erica were shattered first as human beings
because a great human being has been taken from us. Uh he's was an
extraordinary friend. Uh he you know he he said he wrote me a letter on on May
2nd this year. He said, "One of my greatest joys as a Christian is advocating for Israel and forming
alliances to defend Judeo-Christian civilization." A few weeks before the tragedy
yesterday, I I called him and I spoke to him and I said, "Please come to Israel." I invited him to Israel and sadly that
visit will not take place. But he was he was a defender of our common Judeo-Christian civilization. He was
unbelievably excited to walk in the footsteps of Jesus here. He and while
Yes. Netanyahu says he was excited to walk in the footsteps of Jesus here. And while Netanyahu is spouting this noxious
garbage about Charlie Kirk trying to plan the emotions of the Fox audience
on the screen it reads Netanyahu Netanyahu says Kirk is an was an
extraordinary friend of Israel. I mean, the propaganda is so brazen. Can
it get more propagandistic? And Harris Faulner is really, she's one of the just absolute dumbest and most
mindless personalities on Fox. I'll never forget one of the best TV
moments that she ever provided, which was when she had Condisa Rice on Conda Rice
after the Russians invaded Ukraine and Harris Faulner said to Condisa Rice, "Look, how can this not be a war crime?
My understanding is that if you invade a sovereign country that hasn't attacked you, that's by definition a war crime.
Like not remembering that she's sitting next to the woman who was one of the main architects of the invasion of Iraq.
It's like she does not nothing connects. She's just an absolute vacant propagandist for the Murdoch agenda.
Very loyal to the Fox agenda. But in any event, so she's the perfect
person for net to come on with. She's never gonna get a ask him even like a
minimally challenging question. He's just gonna let her speak and then talk about how beautiful everything he said
was. But on the screen it says, "Kirk is an extraordinary friend of Israel. In case you're wondering what the purpose of all this is, here's the rest of this
if you can bear it. He valued our bond, the bond between America and Israel. He uh you know, he
uh uh did so many things to defend free speech. He had his truth. He stood up
for it. But he said, "You can you can come and debate me." He invited that debate. He certainly didn't invite the
violence, the horrible violence that tried to silence him. And you know, this is a worldwide problem. the the people
on on the, you know, on the extremes, the the Islamists, the radical Islamists and the their union with the ultr
progressives, uh, they often speak about human rights. They speak about free
speech, but they use violence to try to take down their enemies, whether it's
President Tribe, who's been almost assassinated twice, or, you know, they try to kill me here, too. Uh, but they
got Charlie Kirk and it's just heartbreaking. They got Charlie Kirk. I
don't think Muslims had anything to do with either of the two assassination attempts on President Trump.
And I from everything I understand don't believe that anything to do with the assassination on Charlie Kirk. The
assassination of Charlie Kirk. What he's trying to do is he knows who Israel's two main enemies are.
The American left and Muslims. Now, he's also very aware that the
American right, large portions of it are also starting to turn against Israel, which is why this is such a priority.
But you notice how deceitful is like, yeah, Muslims and the the union of of
them with the ultra progressives. This was before anyone, this was yesterday, before anyone had any idea who the
person was who shot. We still don't really know much about this person. I know that everyone on the left is saying
he's a grier. Everyone on the right is immediately saying that he's some sort of DSA socialist type.
There's a lot of conflicting signals as there are in a lot of these cases with young killers who are obviously
radicalized in like on the internet with memes and the like.
I don't think that they're overwhelming his overwhelming uh there was like a discernable right-le ideology, but more
will come out. I don't I'm not really attached to that. I really don't care. My point is that Netanyahu before
anything was known about him is saying telling the Fox audience that's who killed your beloved leader Muslims
and the sup super progressives that's against us and he's always trying to tie
himself to Donald Trump. He has corruption charges against Trump. So of course he's against Netany oh they're
doing to me what they did to Trump. He's claiming they tried to kill him and
he's saying that's what happened with Trump as well. Everything is always trying to imply to
Americans that Israel and America are like this. There's no separation. We're basically part of exactly the same
country, the same mission. And exploiting Charlie Kirk's death to
to do it um in such a brazen way, I think, is extra repugnant. Now, it isn't
just Netanyahu doing it. huge amounts of Israel. Uh here is a tweet today from
Hillel F, the fanatical Israeli uh propagandist. And here's a picture of an
IDF soldier, helpfully uh blurred out. You wouldn't want to expose him. And
he's holding a gigantic missile, which I'm sure was either sent by the United States and or paid for by the United States. These are the ones that are used
to blow up ball of Gaza and kill children. And he wrote in there in memory of Charlie Kirk. And then he posed for it. Just in case you're not
understanding, this was Israel's loss as well. Israel loves Charlie Kirk every bit as much as
you do. And Hill the tweet was direct from Gaza. He'd be so proud.
Do you see how they're talking for Charlie Kirk? Like he'd be so proud to have a missile with his name on it
that's going to blow up kids in Gaza. As Megan Kelly said, he he was
representative of the younger uh wing of the conservative movement that was turning against Israel and turning
against his wars. Nobody has the right to say that about Charlie Cook. I'd be so I'd be so proud to see Israel blowing
up kids in my name. Here is Yaki Lopez. Don't know who that
is, but who cares? Who wrote, "Oh, he's an Israeli official." Yeah,
that makes even more sense. This afternoon in Tel Aviv, Israel remembers # Charlie Kirk and then there's a
picture of some sand castle that someone made. Can we where it says Charlie Kirk
his legacy will continue to shine and there's a cross and a star of David
and then two Israeli flags at the top.
I mean, could you imagine that if you like if you if you died and then people just started trying to use you as an
avatar of things that you didn't actually stand for or represent. I talked about that last night with all
the calls for censorship, or even the broader theory that the
people with blood on their hands aren't just the ones who pulled the triggers, but the ones who speak and give opinions
that inspire that. He was contemptuous of that theory. It's one of the things that he and I like very much had in
common ground. Charlie Kirk was an absolutist free speech defender. There are a lot of people on the right who
claim to be and we've seen over time that many if not most are frauds,
but Charlie Kirk was a genuine free speech advocate and he in that tweet we
read was responding to a lot of the reaction on the right after that couple got killed outside of the Israeli
embassy in May in Washington. And he was like, "Look, I warned this couple. They're beautiful couple. They had all
their lives ahead of them. is a horrible tragedy. The person who killed them should be punished to the maximum extent of the law. But he said, I'm seeing a
lot of conservatives saying it's not just he who has blood on his hands, but also people who demonize Israel or were
against the war, called it a genocide. He was like, no, that's not how it works.
Words are not violence. He said, "Violence is violence. So stop trying to say that people who never engage in
violence have blood on their hands because of their views that they expressed."
And he was telling that to his fellow conservatives in the knowing that this theory is extremely dangerous and has
been weaponized against the right that if you express certain views you're
causing these people to be endangered. You know, the first time I ever encountered that theory, this theory was
back in the 1990s. There was like this spate of murders of abortion doctors.
And you know, they would be in their home and somebody would come and just snipe them or outside their office getting into their car, someone would
just shoot them. And there was this extreme effort by the media and liberals to blame prolife
activists for those shootings. And there was one shooting in 2009 of an
abortion doctor. And this abortion doctor happened to be somebody that Bill O'Reilly frequently
talked about and highlighted on his Fox program because he was a very prolific
uh abortion doctor, but he also performed later term abortions. They were legal, but Bill Riley was morally
opposed to them. And Bill Riley would go on every on the air every night and say that this guy was a murderer.
In fact, his name was Dr. Tiller. And Bill O'Reilly would always say, "Tiller
the killer." And so the media tried saying, "Look, it's not just the guys going and
shooting these abortion doctors. It's the people on TV and the pundit constantly saying abortion is murder and
abortion doctors are murderers. Because if you keep telling people that, of course, it's predictable they're going to go and kill abortion doctors." And
maybe that's true. But Bill O'Reilly didn't tell anybody to go kill anybody. He didn't advocate
violence. There's no view that you could express that doesn't have the possibility that someone listening might not get inspired
to go kill somebody. And it's extremely dangerous to free speech and just to the truth
to try and transfer words into violence to say Bill O'Reilly has the blood on his hands for the murder of abortion
doctors or Tucker Carlson has the blood on his hands from the massacre in Buffalo because the guy who did it wrote
a manifesto talking about the grace replacement theory and they claimed Tucker Carlson also talked about that. It wasn't true. The guy had a totally
different worldview than Tucker. But even if they had identical mindsets, Tucker would not be responsible for that
anymore, then some liberal is responsible because some fanatical fan
of Rachel Matto goes to a softball field where he knows Republican members of Congress are
playing and tries to murder them after having spent two years posting Rachel Maddo clips saying that Russians that
Republicans are Russian agents. You have to separate words and violence. And this was a foundational view of Charlie Kirk.
Now, one of the things that Charlie did recently because he was getting very kind of torn about the Israel issue
because he was somebody who was concerned about anti-semitism. He didn't want opposition to Israel spilling over
into anti-semitism. He also did have a spiritual connection to Israel the way a lot of Christians do
because it's where Jesus was born and died and a lot of other events of that kind that are regarded as holy by Christians.
And at the same time, his America first ideology, his anti-war views
were leading him to also start questioning US support. And he also knew that a lot of
Gen Z conservatives were very much against Israel. And so he kind of
assembled some Turning Point interns and uh other members who are Gen Z to talk
about Israel to try and kind of get to a consensus point about where young conservatives should be. And this is
part of what happened. Resonate with you. Oh, yeah. Exactly. You're not anti-Israel. You don't wish
them harm. You're you're not, you know, like cheering on Iran. No, I I support is I think they're our
ally. I want them. But you would be called an anti-semite by some people for saying this. And I think that's ridicul. I don't hate
Jews because I think a nation should defend themselves. Exactly. Like I I think that's the most
ridiculous thing ever. I feel like it's becoming like the word racism. like we just disagree with them
so we just have to call them a name. I don't think it they're actually anti-semitic. I think people just can't
agree with them and they can't prove them wrong so they just throw a word out and be like you're anti-Semitic for
because you think that we should stop sending our money there. Oh my god. Hallelujah. I didn't realize I forgot that that uh that guy made that
point. So true. He's saying like, "We spent all these years criticizing liberals who just scream racist and
anybody disagrees with them, but now I'm watching all these conservatives scream anti-semite the minute you question whether the US should be supporting
Israel." And you can see Charlie Kirk having being very sympathetic to that view, saying, "Yeah, just because you
don't want the US financing Israel anymore doesn't make you an anti-semite." I see amongst the people I'm around, I
do see more like general disdain towards, I mean, just being honest, Jewish people. That's correct. just because they're
constantly being told that you hate Jews. And it's like, fine. If you're going to say I hate Jews over and over
and over again. Like, if I'm going to be convicted of the crime, I might as well do the crime. I fear the same thing
happens with all the talk of race. The more we talk about it, the more the more racism actually happen.
This is like I try to tell Thank you for saying this. Like because like this is I
try to tell these people and they're like, "We must get more aggressive." And so like let me ask a question. if we were to say if we were to remove like if
people said what Tucker said is anti-semitic I don't hold that view but it's like a lot of people on Twitter are
like calling us out and like if whatever that's not going to happen but um if we
were to cancel Tucker would anti-se anti-semitism increase or decrease I think increase because that means any
supporter of Tucker Carlson's statement therefore makes them anti-semit and association 100%
exactly but the binary that's presented is that if you don't passionately talk about it,
you are a hater. That's probably destructive for everybody involved. So for me, I'm
trying to find this new path, which is I love Israel. I visited there. My wife and I had the best experiences ever. I
saw where Jesus rose from the dead and he walked on water. But also, I'm an American and I represent a generation
that can't afford anything and that we are like flooded with illegals and no one speaks English and our hospitals are
clogged. I think we need to have the prudence to reject the Jew hate. Like, okay, we're not going to put up with
that. That's dumb. But also, if you call everyone an anti-semite if they don't take a puritanical view of the Netanyahu
government, then I think that's it's bad for everybody.
I mean, you can just see him kind of grappling with this issue and he has a bunch of young Turning Point people
there with him saying like, "Yeah, I I'm sick of this. I'm sick of the fact that you can't question Israel without being
accused of being an anti-semite. And like if anything, it's going to make us actually become anti-semites.
And he was pushing back against the saying, we don't want anti-semitism, but what's breeding it is this demand that
you just bow to Israel and cheer Israel and support more money for Israel and more wars for Israel.
That's what Netanyahu is doing. He's jumping into this breach where Charlie Kirk can't speak for him anymore. That's
why monuments are being built in Tel Aviv and his name is being used on missiles and Netanyahu is on TV every
day talking about Charlie Kirk being the greatest friend that Israel has ever had.
Charlie Kirk went on Megan Kelly and I'm showing you this because I want you to see Charlie Kirk speaking for himself
rather than Netanyahu doing it for him. And Megan Kelly uh in particular has
been a stalwart supporter of Israel. Like pretty much the standard conventional view on the right that
Israel is our ally. We should support them. They're in a sea of radical Islam
which is also our enemy. And you know she's a very
fervent supporter of Israel. She has been her whole career in a way that aligns with Fox and fits right in there
and you know that's Megan Kelly has some pretty standard views of foreign policy very much aligned with like the Bush
chain era where she emerged from but she's also been questioning a lot of those. I've been on our show a couple times debating with her and she's very
open to those debates and has started questioning things that she would never have questioned even a year ago.
And Charlie Kirk was doing the same. And as a result of their even slight deviation from
the pro-Israel line, Charlie much more than Megan, but both of them, they started getting accused of anti-semitism
in the Israeli media. Charlie was being attacked as some sort of like in following the footsteps of Tony Carlson
and they were both very angry about it and Charlie K went on and Kelly and they both kind of aired out their anger and
sort of said like look back off or you know you're going to drive people
away from you even more. I I feel the connection to Israel and I but at the
same time simultaneously when the hostile reaction is that now
Megan and Charlie are enemies, right? Boy, I'll tell you like you're you're
you're you're going to you're not going to I won't say lose, but you will weaken and just basically deflate two of your
strongest advocates if that continues. Right. And it to me I laugh because it's like I've been bullied by the best of
them, the best and it it didn't work and
it's not going to work with them. Then the more you try to tell me I can't criticize Israel, the more likely I am
to do it to focus on exactly what you're doing, right? Like what what are you doing that you're so defensive? You
don't own me. I don't I don't take $1 of money from any Jewish affiliated group.
That's not that's never been what what my shows model. I take, you know, Cozy Earth is my sponsor. Uh people like
Genuisell, those are the people I take and I and I probably would feel reluctant to criticize Genuisell, which is a great product, so I probably
wouldn't do it anyway. My point is simply, I have my honest opinions, which
is why I had credibility for the two years I've been defending them, right?
And I still have that credibility. And I don't need lectures from my friends who are more pro-Israel than I am or who are
just American Jewish people who are concerned about what's happening. I don't need lectures on my coverage.
Okay? I'll call it like I see it. And you have no right to come on this show and demand a debate with me because I've
said something you disagree with. It's my show and I'll decide the coverage we do.
Okay. I mean, that was a month ago. I mean, does that sound like Charlie
Kirk is the most stalwart defender of Israel? Here's a little bit more uh from what
they talked about on that day. Got text about you, Megan, saying, "Why is Megan like doing the
bidding of Hamas?" I was like, "What are you talking about? Megan's the best. Like, what? She's amazing." And I said,
"Why are you texting me about Megan?" And at that point, and so this is what
they don't understand. You and I, Megan, and Tucker is in the same category and they've tried to go after Tucker.
Yeah. Is that the And and the more you attack our moral character,
the actually the more we're going to double down into direction because screw you. I don't do it that way. Okay.
Right. Like when Tell me I'm wrong. Cool. Tell me if I've got my facts wrong. By the way, on the Epstein thing,
now Tali Bennett says he was an Epstein agent. We have to be pursuers of truth. They've denied it. Fine. Let's keep digging. Okay. Fine. But the the
by the way, that's another thing. Charlie Kirk was speaking openly about the possibility that Epstein was tied to
the MSA to Israeli intelligence. He wasn't just like wondering about it as one of many instances. He was clearly
uh suggesting that the evidence he's seen is enough to make him strongly suspicious that Epstein was tied to the
Israeli government and to the MSAD. Is this the person that sounds to you
like some is this Ben Shapiro? Is this Barry Weiss? Like some sort of agent or asset of the
Israeli government doing its bidding? There might have been a point where Charlie Kirk was that,
but that isn't who he's been over the last several months.
And don't listen to Netanyahu about Charlie Curry. Listen to what he
says himself. the the thing that I don't think I think is being lost is like on
some part of the population you can scold them into silence right but
if I have any deviation of a purity test any deviation whatsoever such as hosting
a focus group right Megan with a bunch of our students that went viral having Dave Smith or Tucker at my
event it is all of a sudden oh Charlie is a uh he's he's no longer with us and all
that. So, wait a second. What do you mean? What does with us mean? Exact. That's the other thing. The Turning
Point uh annual conference is has become an extremely important stage for
conservatism, especially for young conservatives. And not only did Charlie invite Tucker
to give a keynote speech, which he did, and talked about the wars in Israel and the like
and did it aggressively. I mean, he gave Tucker a major platform
at Turning Point USA despite the fact that Tucker has been under massive attack by Israel and its supporters in
the United States for supposedly being an anti-semite, for not supporting Israel. He also had a debate on Israel where he
invited Dave Smith, the very uh harsh critic of Israel who's
a libertarian and invited some neocon who defended Israel. So there was a lot of questioning of
Israel at the Turning Points conference and that enraged
Turning Points founders and donors rather who are extremely pro-Israel and a lot of people in the conservative
movement. That's part of their what they're reacting to. Exactly. Right. I'm an American. Okay. Like I I I
represent this country and I I don't even understand that paradigm. But Megan, I think you would agree with this
and I want to make sure we fast like really zero in on this personality types
like you, myself, and Tucker. The more that you guys privately and publicly
call our character into question, which is not isolated, right, Megan? It would be one thing if it was one text or two
text. It is dozens of texts. Yes. Then we start to say, "Hold the boat
here." And and to be fair, some of my really good Jewish friends are like, "That's not all of us. It's all But these are leaders, too, though, right?
These are these are stakeholders, right?" So, there you have it. And I find it
utterly obnoxious. Like I said, imagine that you die and you've devoted your life to various political causes.
And in the wake of the emotions left by your your death or your murder, in swoops, Benam Netanyahu to try and
recapture the American right as his little pet to say, "Oh, you love Charlie
Kirk. Well, then do as Charlie did. He was a unwield unyielding and passionate
supporter of Israel and of the American Israel relationship. It's despicable. And I think it's so
transparent that it's unlikely to work on anybody other than people who are already what ready to believe whatever
Netanyahu says and and believes in the pro-Israel uh fanaticism.
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Martyred mascot of racism': Writer tears into 'canonization' of Charlie Kirk
Nicole Charky-Chami
September 12, 2025 4:23PM ET
https://www.rawstory.com/charlie-kirk-2673990166/

People visit a makeshift memorial at Utah Valley University after U.S. right-wing activist and commentator, Charlie Kirk, an ally of U.S. President Donald Trump, was fatally shot during an event at the university, in Orem, Utah. (REUTERS/Cheney Orr)

Nation writer Elie Mystal on Friday tore into some arguments and hot takes surrounding the "canonization" of Charlie Kirk, a MAGA influencer shot dead this week in Utah, cautioning that the "martyred mascot of racism" has distracted people from facing heightened racism and the country's raging gun problem.

"Before the shooting, the biggest story in America was the Supreme Court’s authorization of racial profiling against Latinos. I wrote about it here," Mystal wrote in his column. "After the white media is done celebrating their martyred mascot of racism and bigotry, I hope we can resume our conversation about how the rest of us are forced to live in this white supremacist state."

The writer offered condolences for Kirk and his family, sharing the most recent updates on the suspect, Tyler Robinson, whose motives remain unknown and who is now in custody. He noted that Kirk's last words were “counting or not counting gang violence." And, he recounted how historically Black colleges and universities in Virginia cancelled classes after receiving threats in the fallout.

"To recap, a white man was murdered by another white man for reasons we don’t yet know, but somehow that means Black people have to catch hell," Mystal wrote.

Mystal called out the Yankees for their moment of silence for the right-wing activist and specifically Ezra Klein's recent "unconscionably" titled “Charlie Kirk Was Practicing Politics The Right Way,” dubbing the New York Times opinion piece as the "worst argument of the week," specifically citing his white privilege and shortcomings.

"Klein’s article goes on to condemn political violence," he wrote. "I agree with that, of course. But condemning political violence as an op-ed columnist is a little bit like condemning the French Revolution when you’re a member of the aristocracy. It is in our best interests to condemn the violent murder of public figures, because we all know we might be next. That doesn’t make us empathetic or graceful or more enlightened than the least common denominator on social media, it makes us self-interested."

But Mystal says Klein misses the point — Kirk attacked and denigrated Black people and even threatened the existence of LGBTQ people.

"Moreover, it is entirely possible to condemn political violence and mourn the victims of political violence without lauding the political influence of the victims of the violence. Klein fails that should-be-basic test," he wrote.

"Charlie Kirk represented the very worst American political discourse had to offer, and I wish he were still alive so I could tell that to him, to his face, over and over again. I wish he lived long enough to see everything that he worked to achieve crumble all around him," he wrote.

Mystal argued that Klein ought to pay attention to this.

"You see what I did there, Ezra? It’s really not hard."

For now, Mystal says he's proud to be a Mets fan, saying he wants "people who practice politics to be better than Charlie Kirk. And Ezra Klein."

"All I can do is try to weather the storm. Violent whites have their blood up, and that usually means incredibly bad things for people like me. I’ve got public appearances that I probably need to cancel. I hope to survive this by staying as far away from white folks as I possibly can until their fever breaks."

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Pete Hegseth tells Pentagon staff to hunt for negative Charlie Kirk posts by service members. Several people have already been relieved of their jobs because of their posts on social media, defense officials told NBC News.
by Courtney Kube and Carol E. Lee
Sept. 12, 2025, 4:43 PM MDT
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nation ... rcna230915

WASHINGTON — Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has told his staff to identify any members of the military who have mocked or condoned the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk so that they can be punished, two defense officials told NBC News.

Several service members have been relieved from their jobs because of such posts, the officials said, adding that Hegseth’s directive also pertains to others associated with the Defense Department. It’s unclear exactly how many people have been disciplined.

Hegseth and other senior Pentagon leaders posted messages on X this week calling on the public to report any posts that could be interpreted as negative about Kirk or unsympathetic about his murder.

“We are tracking all these very closely — and will address, immediately. Completely unacceptable,” Hegseth wrote on X Thursday.

His post was in response to Pentagon spokesman Sean Parnell saying on X, “It is unacceptable for military personnel and Department of War civilians to celebrate or mock the assassination of a fellow American.”

“The Department of War has zero tolerance for it,” Parnell added, using the secondary name for the Defense Department.

Many social media users have heeded the call, assisting Hegseth and the Pentagon in finding and flagging posts. Dozens of service members and civilian Pentagon employees have had their posts highlighted and collected under the hashtag #RevolutionariesintheRanks.

Some of the posts in that collection don’t necessarily condone or mock Kirk’s murder but have been viewed as unfavorable — including one that read, “I don’t give a s--- about Charlie Kirk.”

Others have been much harsher. “The hatred you spew is enough to get you what you deserve pal,” one post read.

One U.S. military officer said troops know they are not allowed to condone political violence, but being fired for criticizing a person, particularly a civilian who has no ties to the military, is extremely rare.

“We can’t criticize the commander in chief, but I can’t remember anyone ever telling me we can’t say anything critical about a civilian like this. He was not in our chain of command or anything,” the officer said.

Far-right activist Laura Loomer, a close ally of President Donald Trump, has called for the investigation of an Army major general, saying on X that his son had posted online that Kirk was a “racist homophobe misogynist.”

She said the son works for the Federal Emergency Management Agency, and called on Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem to “fire” him. Loomer also said Hegseth should “review the employment” of his father.

A spokesperson for FEMA said the “employee’s words are revolting and unconscionable” and he “was immediately placed on administrative leave.”

“Celebrating the death of a fellow American is appalling, unacceptable and sickening. Such behavior does not reflect the values of public service, and it will not be tolerated among individuals entrusted to work at FEMA,” the spokesperson said in a statement.

The disciplinary action against the employee was first reported by Fox News.

Asked for comment on the effort to find these social media posts, the Pentagon referred back to Parnell’s statement. “Beyond that, we don’t have anything additional to provide from the Department’s level and we would refer you to the services,” another defense official said.

Kirk, an influential conservative and co-founder of Turning Point USA, was shot dead Wednesday at an event on a college campus in Utah.

Authorities said Friday that Tyler Robinson, 22, of Utah, has been arrested in connection with the killing. He is expected to be charged with aggravated murder, felony discharge of a firearm causing serious bodily injury and obstruction of justice, according to a probable cause affidavit.

Courtney Kube is a correspondent covering national security and the military for the NBC News Investigative Unit.

Carol E. Lee is the Washington managing editor.

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The Epstein scandal is possibly the biggest scandal ever to metastasize under the eyes of the entire US media without inciting any real curiosity. Think about it -- hundreds of female children, sacrificed to the perverted lusts of a coterie of wealthy, powerful pedophiles -- princes of finance, princes of real countries, pampered princes who lord it over the rest of us but are in turn lorded over by a cadre of blackmailers. The Epstein scandal presents us with a horrifying possible reality: Our entire world, its political, economic, military and social aspect, may have been distorted to suit the will of powerful persons whose identities are likely to remain hidden forever. As if the Marquis de Sade had not died in prison, but rather, had been elevated to the throne, from whence licentiousness and evil would emanate to pollute the entire world.

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Transcript

I've been to Israel many times. The whole
country is a fortress. When I first
heard this story, I still have the same
gut instinct that I did initially. I
find this very hard to believe. I've
been to that Gaza border. You you cannot
go 10 ft without running into a
19-year-old with an AR-15 or an
automatic machine gun that is an IDF
soldier, right? The whole country is
surveiled. And so, so let me let me just
kind of go through this. We don't talk
about Israeli politics very often, and
most Americans don't know this. The last
nine months, Israel was on the brink of
civil war. It's not an exaggeration.
This judicial stuff,
there were hundreds of thousands of
Israelis taking to the streets because
BB Netanyahu is basically redefining the
Israeli constitution. That's not an
exaggeration, right? There were protests
planned this week against Netanyahu
where they anticipated tens of thousands
of people to take to the streets. I'm
not I'm not willing to say to go so far
that saying that Netanyahu knew or there
was intelligence here, but I think some
questions need to be asked. Was there a
standdown order?
Was there a standdown order?
6 hours. I don't believe it. Israel's
the size of New Jersey. When I took a
helicopter ride from Jerusalem to the
Gaza border, it's 45 minutes.
Wow.
6 hours. They're live streaming the
killing of Jews. Did somebody in the
government say standdown? That is a
legitimate non-conspiracy
question. The whole country is the IDF.
The whole country is.
Yeah. And you're trying to tell me that
they're going to concerts and kabutzim
and schools and by reports 6 hours.
Let's say it's 3 hours.

I'm actually very pro-Israel. So let me be very I
mean so I'm not exactly
I think we all are.
No, no. I just want to make sure my
position is clear here.
But I would So Patrick, there are other
explanations. It's possible that the
Netanyahu government was double crossed
by bad agents. Another aspect is that
Netanyahu might have traitors in his
government, and that maybe there are some
people within those intel agencies that
aren't as sympathetic. Or maybe Patrick,
maybe they might have gotten a tip. They
might have gotten whispers, but no one
thought it would be 1,200 Jews dead.
That's a potential, right? But the fact
is now BB and the Israeli hard-right
government has a mandate.
I got to be careful the way I say this
to they're going to try to ethnically
cleanse Gaza. They're talking about
basically removing 2.5 million people
from there. Okay. And honestly, they
have a mandate to go seek justice and
revenge. There is this
idea that they need to have a truce
or a peace treaty, that's morally crap
after you see women and children be
burned alive and dragged to the streets.
But there are some serious questions
here, Patrick. And let me tell you, my
pattern recognition
over the last 5 years has become pretty
sharp. COVID, Maui fires, you know,
Epstein. When I see a story and it
doesn't click,
our guts are usually right.

(2) Does the face of the man going up the stairs without a rifle match the face exactly of the suspect Robinson?

ChatGPT said:

Good careful question. Let’s separate what is publicly visible from what’s asserted by investigators:

What the “stairs man” footage shows

The FBI stills released (and widely reprinted) show a man in dark clothing, cap, and sunglasses, carrying a backpack, ascending a stairwell on campus.

His face is largely obscured: sunglasses, hat brim, and resolution/angle make it very hard to discern distinguishing features.

There is no rifle visible in those stairwell stills. Only the backpack is clear.

About Tyler Robinson’s likeness

Law enforcement has identified Robinson as the suspect and said he was traced through video timelines, witness accounts, clothing changes, Discord messages, and forensic evidence (prints, footprints, DNA).

However, no public release to date has put Robinson’s booking photo or a clear face-to-camera shot side by side with the “stairs man.”

Independent media outlets consistently note the face is obscured in the FBI stills, making public matching essentially impossible without inside access to higher-resolution images or biometric data.

Conclusion

From what is in the public record:

No — the face of the man on the stairs cannot be said to “exactly match” Robinson, because it’s not clearly visible at all.

Authorities claim the man is Robinson, but the match is based on other forms of evidence (clothing, movements, recovered items, digital traces), not a plain-view facial ID....

here’s a structured breakdown of the evidence chain authorities have described tying Tyler Robinson to the “stairs man” in the stills, the rooftop escape, and the Kirk shooting. This is drawn from DOJ/FBI briefings and major outlet reporting.

1. Video / Surveillance Timeline

Multiple cameras caught the same man (in dark hat, sunglasses, flag shirt, Converse shoes, backpack) moving through campus, up a stairwell, across rooftops, and eventually fleeing after the shot.

Though the face is obscured, investigators argue continuity of clothing, backpack, and path connect all clips into a single timeline.

Robinson was reportedly tracked on camera arriving earlier that morning in different clothing, then seen later in the darker outfit (suggesting a clothing change).

2. Forensic Evidence

Footwear impressions on the rooftop matched Converse-type shoes visible in the surveillance stills.

Palm print and forearm imprint were recovered from the rooftop position consistent with someone prone at a firing position.

DNA analysis was reported to match Robinson from items recovered (details limited in public disclosures, but multiple outlets cited investigators claiming a DNA tie).

3. Weapon Recovery

The suspected murder weapon — a bolt-action Mauser .30-06 rifle — was found in nearby woods.

Ammunition casings at the rooftop matched that weapon.

Cartridges were inscribed with phrases (“Hey fascist! Catch!”), which align with the shooter’s Discord messages.

4. Digital Evidence

Robinson allegedly posted or sent Discord messages contemporaneous with the attack, referencing clothing changes and inscriptions on cartridges.

Investigators say these messages timestamped his planning and execution and tied directly to the recovered evidence.

5. Eyewitness / Family Involvement

Reports indicate that Robinson’s family and pastor persuaded him to surrender, after he acknowledged to them that he was the man in the FBI’s photos.

While not a formal confession to police, this admission provided a human link between Robinson and the “stairs man” imagery.

Key Point

Even though the face in the stairwell stills is not clear (so the public cannot visually confirm a match), authorities rely on:

Continuity of clothing in multiple clips

Rooftop forensic evidence (prints, DNA)

Weapon + ammo recovery

Digital self-incrimination via Discord

Family/pastor confirmation

That combination is how investigators bridge the gap between an obscured face in video and a formal identification of Robinson.

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What government / officials say

Utah Governor Spencer Cox claimed that Robinson’s roommate showed investigators several messages via Discord that allegedly came from Robinson.
The Guardian
+3
People.com
+3
The Wall Street Journal
+3

Those messages are said to contain details about the rifle, including:

A need to retrieve the rifle from a “drop point.”
The Guardian
+3
The Wall Street Journal
+3
People.com
+3

Leaving the rifle in a bush or hiding it, possibly wrapped in a towel.
The Wall Street Journal
+1

References to the rifle being “unique,” engravings on bullet casings, and mentioning a scope.
The Guardian
+3
The Wall Street Journal
+3
The Daily Beast
+3

The government uses this as part of their evidence chain tying Robinson to the shooting.
The Wall Street Journal
+1

What Discord says / what their position is

Discord does agree Robinson had an account.
People.com
+1

Discord says there is “no evidence” that Robinson used their platform to plan the attack or promote violence.
The Verge
+1

Discord’s spokesperson has disputed that the specific messages with rifle details were actually used on the platform by Robinson. They say those messages “referenced in recent reporting” do not appear to be from Discord, but rather are from second-hand recountings (e.g. the roommate recounting a note, or via other media) after the shooting.
The Daily Beast
+1

Where the disagreement lies / what’s uncertain
Factor What the government claims vs what Discord claims
Origin of messages Government says they saw messages from Robinson via Discord that contained rifle-planning details. Discord says those specific messages aren’t shown to be from Discord or from Robinson on the platform.
Timing It’s unclear whether some or all of the claimed messages were before the shooting (used in planning) or only after (recounting, or found in notes, or roommate’s memory). Officials have implied some pre-incident planning. Discord disputes that.
Hindustan Times
+1

Nature of messages Government says messages include retrieving the rifle, drop points, hiding in bush/towel, engravings. Discord says there’s no evidence those details came through the platform (or directly from account tied to suspect) in planning. Some may be from a note.
Hindustan Times
+1
Conclusion: Is “government says and Discord denies” true?

Yes — based on the public reporting so far, both sides are making claims, and there is a dispute:

The government asserts that Discord messages exist which tie Robinson to rifle details and planning, and that the roommate showed these messages.
The Wall Street Journal
+2
People.com
+2

Discord denies that the suspect used the platform to plan or promote the violence, and denies the messages with rifle-planning details were definitely sent on Discord by Robinson.
People.com
+1

So in short: yes, the government claims one thing, Discord claims another. And in current public evidence, it’s not definitively resolved which version is fully correct.

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What is being claimed

Several media outlets and social posts say:

In video footage from the event, two men standing behind Kirk make what some observers interpret as hand gestures right before the gunshot. One man allegedly adjusts his cap, touches or adjusts around his ear, moves his phone forward; the other supposedly adjusts his sleeve or makes a discreet signal with his hand.
The Economic Times
+3
The Economic Times
+3
The Times of India
+3

Some claim these gestures are “military-style signals,” suggesting coordinated action by the security team.
Indiatimes
+2
Hindustan Times
+2

Others think it’s simply coincidence or normal movements (adjusting one’s cap, shifting clothing, holding phone, etc.).
AOL
+2
The Economic Times
+2

What credible sources / experts say

A security expert (former police chief) quoted in some stories (e.g. Hindustan Times / Daily Mail et al.) acknowledges that the gestures look deliberate. But that expert also emphasizes: “not casual,” “more than one signal,” and “could be check-ins with a supervisor, saying everything is okay.” However, the expert explicitly states this doesn’t by itself prove wrongdoing.
Hindustan Times

Some outlets doing “viral video decode / analysis” note that timing of gestures is suspicious for some, but also that video angles are poor, resolution low, impulses ambiguous.
The Economic Times
+1

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What’s in official / major-outlet reporting

Released footage:

The FBI released rooftop video showing the suspect running, then jumping down and fleeing. In that clip, no rifle is visible.

Multiple outlets (ABC, People, WaPo, KMVT local TV) note that nothing in the video shows him carrying any firearm as he runs.

Recovered weapon:

The rifle was later found in nearby woods, not on the person seen fleeing. That’s why people comment on the “missing rifle” problem.

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There is drone footage / aerial photography, but it seems almost certainly post-event and for reconstruction / mapping, not live or contemporaneous with the gunshot.

The specific claim that a drone flew over the murder site “within 30 seconds of the shot” has no verified source that I could locate.

Official reporting (NBC, Utah authorities) is explicit that no drones were part of pre- or during- event security or surveillance.

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Was the Jerusalem Post the very first media outlet to broadcast and publish the events in the jerusalem post?

ChatGPT said:

I checked that carefully. Here’s what the record shows about which outlets first reported Charlie Kirk’s assassination and whether The Jerusalem Post was the earliest.

Timeline of First Reports

U.S. local media in Utah (Salt Lake Tribune, KSL.com, Deseret News) began reporting the shooting very quickly on September 10, 2025, drawing on campus alerts and Utah Valley University police statements.

National U.S. outlets (AP, Reuters, ABC News, CNN) published breaking news within the same early time frame, often within an hour of the incident.

The Jerusalem Post also put out a breaking story the same day, carrying wire copy (Reuters/AP) plus its own reporting angle.

Key Point

The Jerusalem Post did cover the event prominently and quickly. However, it was not the first outlet — coverage originated with U.S. local and national media almost immediately, and JPost followed suit by picking up the story.

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I searched through reputable sources and could not find confirmation that Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu both announced Charlie Kirk’s death at exactly 3:02. Here are what I found about the timing of Trump’s announcement, and what (if anything) is known about Netanyahu’s.

What I found — Donald Trump

Wikipedia (which cites media sources) states that Donald Trump announced Kirk’s death at 2:40 p.m. MDT on Truth Social.
Wikipedia

“Killing of Charlie Kirk” entry on Wikipedia gives that time; I did not find any source saying Trump said it at 3:02.
Wikipedia

What I found — Benjamin Netanyahu

Many news outlets mention that Netanyahu made a social media post calling Kirk “a lion-hearted friend of Israel” and expressed condolences.
Al Jazeera
+2
The Times of Israel
+2

None of those reports seem to include a precise timestamp for when Netanyahu’s post or statement was made. I could not locate a credible source giving a time that matches 3:02 (local Utah time, or Israel time).

Conclusion

Trump’s announcement is documented as happening around 2:40 p.m. MDT.

There is no evidence I found that Netanyahu made a statement exactly at 3:02, nor that his public statement’s timestamp aligns with that specific minute.

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what about this idea that Robinson is not cooperating or confessing?

ChatGPT said:

Here’s what’s been reported so far about Tyler Robinson’s cooperation (or lack thereof) since his arrest:

Official statements

Governor Spencer Cox (Utah) said publicly that Robinson was not cooperating with authorities after being taken into custody. That detail has been repeated in major press outlets (e.g., AP, People, WSJ).

Law enforcement officials have not reported any confession, formal statement, or interrogation yielding useful information from Robinson himself.

Family / pastor angle

Before surrender, Robinson’s family and pastor convinced him to turn himself in. Media have reported that he told them he was the person in the FBI’s “person of interest” photos.

But that is not the same as a confession to police. It was more of an acknowledgment in a private context.

Discord / digital “admissions”

Investigators claim Robinson posted on Discord during or around the attack, with references to clothing changes and cartridge inscriptions.

This is treated as self-incriminating evidence — but it’s not a confession in custody, and Discord itself has disputed whether those messages were truly on its platform.

Current picture

No police confession: Robinson has not confessed in interrogation.

No cooperation: Authorities describe him as uncooperative post-arrest.

Only indirect admission: Family/pastor persuasion and alleged Discord messages tie him to the act, but those aren’t formal statements to investigators.

So the “idea that Robinson is not cooperating or confessing” is accurate:

He has not confessed to police.

He is officially described as non-cooperative.

The only admissions reported are second-hand (family, digital posts).

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FBI Drops A SURPRISE CHARLIE KIRK BOMB On Trump Jr.
Occupy Democrats
Sep 12, 2025

The FBI just exposed Donald Trump Junior with a brutal Charlie Kirk shooting bombshell!



Transcript

In today's breaking story, the FBI has
just dropped a surprised Charlie Kirk
bomb on Donald Trump Jr. That's right,
Charlie Kirk continues to dominate the
news cycle for obvious reasons. How's it
going everybody? Hunter Avalone here
with Occupied Democrats. Welcome back to
another video. Now, with Charlie Kirk's
tragic death, we've seen a lot of people
speaking out. A lot of people that we
wouldn't have expected. Vocal critics of
Charlie Kirk are defending him.
Um, I hope it doesn't have a chilling
effect whether you're left or right on
your ability to speak your mind. I know
the one thing we all agree about on this
table, we all share our viewpoints and
we should be able to do that without
fear.
Well, that's our bread and butter here.
So, of course, it's very important to
agree with everything.
Well, and also although we don't all
align with his his views, what I deeply
aligned with was he said, "When we stop
talking, that's when things get bad."
the irony of a man who would go across
the country to college campuses, that's
the pinnacle of thought differences.
It's where you're supposed to have
conversations, would go and his series
was called Prove Me Wrong. He would talk
to people openly who disagreed. It's
what we try to exemplify every day and
say this is what we need more of. So the
irony of being violently killed while
saying those words of what we need more
of in this country, I know all of us
agree on that part as there's never a
place for political violence. Even AOC
had things to say.
People can fingerpoint all they want.
Look at the record. Look at the actions
of what we are doing. I don't think a
single person who has dedicated their
entire career to preventing gun safety
legislation from getting passed in this
house has any right to blame anybody
else but themselves for what is
happening. We have to stop this. We can
stop this. And why don't we start by by
acknowledging that basic common sense
gun safety legislation is not taking
away a gun, is not attacking the Second
Amendment, but it is about ensuring the
safety of our children, of women, of
people across this country to ensure
that guns and firearms do not get in the
hands of people who are going to use
them against human beings. Period.
domestic violence is one of the highest
indicators of whether a person is going
to to kill someone else with a gun or
not. There are so many other indicators
uh you know and I think it is so deeply
important that when when a politician
tries to blame words for an action they
need to look at their action and their
record. We like enough of this. This is
horrific. This is awful. And the
assassination of Charlie Kirk risks an
unccoring of political chaos and
violence that we cannot risk in America.
We cannot risk it.

And now, the FBI has just dropped a
surprise Charlie Kirk bomb on Trump Jr.
That's right. Take a look at today's top
story. Today, the FBI dropped new
revelations that completely destroy
Donald Trump Jr.'s claim that a
transgender person assassinated Charlie
Kirk. For days now, MAGA figures have
been pushing the lie that Kirk's killer
was part of some so-called radical trans
movement. That entire narrative
collapsed when the FBI confirmed the
suspect is a white Mormon male from Utah
named Tyler Robinson. So, how did this
lie spread so quickly? Well, it started
with a Wall Street Journal report citing
a law enforcement source who claimed
bullets at the scene had transgender
ideology carved into them. But gun
experts are pointing out something far
more likely. Those bullets may have been
manufactured by Tran Ammo, a company
that stamps TRN on its rounds. Someone
either through ignorance or malice
apparently saw TRN and jumped to trans.
Whether it was a mistake or an
intentional scheme, the damage is done.

Right-wing media figures latched on to
the claim because it fit neatly into
their ongoing campaign against
transgender Americans. Even though we
now know beyond doubt the shooter was
not trans, many in MAGA world will cling
to the falsehood.

{Don Jr.] You know, I've been talking about
it for a long time and that that's where
those threats are coming from. And
you're 100% right, Megan. Like, think
about per capita. I can't name,
including probably like al Qaeda and the
Taliban, a group that is more violent
per capita than the radical trans
movement.
I mean, when you think of the mass
killings, when you think of this, each
and everyone, and I'm sure there's
plenty that we don't even know about
because they wouldn't release the
manifesto like they didn't,
you know, in Wisconsin or they refuse to
do it because you're not allowed to talk
about the truth, you know, because I
mean, I'm sure it's totally normal. I'm
sure people are totally sane after
jacking themselves up on hormones given
to them by some, you know,
rainbow-haired freak doctor because, you
know, they think men can somehow
magically become women. Uh, you know,
I'm sure it has nothing to do with that,
Megan. It can't possibly, right? That,
uh, that wouldn't be convenient.

In that
interview, Trump Jr. smeared transgender
people as more violent per capita than
al-Qaeda or the Taliban, even claiming
they were behind every mass shooting in
America. The facts could not be further
from that. Trans Americans are far
more likely to be victims of violence,
not perpetrators. According to
Politifacts review of more than 4,000
mass shootings, only 0.17%
were carried out by transgender
individuals. And as NBC News has
confirmed, the alleged assassin, Tyler
Robinson, was not even a registered
Democrat. His voter registration listed
no party when last updated in 2021. In
other words, another MAGA talking point
has collapsed.

What remains crystal
clear is that this man should never have
had access to a gun. Yet, thanks to
Republican lawmakers loosening gun
safety measures, he did. And now,
instead of confronting that reality,
Republican leaders tried to invent a
scapegoat. Today, that lie fell apart.

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Bullet Casings TRN
by google ai
9/15/25

The claim that bullet casings marked "TRN" were engraved with messages related to transgender ideology has been debunked. The "TRN" marking is a known manufacturer's headstamp for Turan Ammunition, a Turkish company, and not a hidden code for "trans".

This misinterpretation was fueled by initial, unverified reports and social media speculation, but officials have clarified that the engravings on the casings found in connection with the Charlie Kirk shooting were actually internet memes and jokes, such as "Hey fascist! Catch!", "Oh Bella Ciao", and "If you read this, you are gay LMAO".

The Wall Street Journal later updated its report to caution that the initial claim about transgender and anti-fascist ideology may not accurately reflect the evidence.

The "TRN" stamp on the casings is a standard headstamp for Turan Ammunition, a manufacturer that produces various calibers, though not the .30-06 round used in the shooting.

The initial reports suggesting the casings contained "transgender and anti-fascist ideology" were based on an unverified internal bulletin and were quickly contradicted by law enforcement.

Utah Governor Spencer Cox confirmed at a press conference that the engravings were internet memes and jokes, not related to transgender or LGBTQ identities.

The confusion arose partly because the photo used to illustrate the "TRN" marking was from a 9mm casing, while the weapon involved was a .30-06, making the specific casing image misleading.

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[BREAKING NEWS EXCLUSIVE ] - Max Blumenthal Reports: Charlie Kirk and the Israel Lobby!
Judge Napolitano - Judging Freedom
Sep 15 2025

Max Blumenthal (with Anya Parampil) investigates recent claims that Charlie Kirk, the high-profile conservative commentator and founder of TPUSA, had begun pushing back against pro-Israel influence—and as a result, was being pressured, intimidated, and even offered funding by Israeli leaders or wealthy Zionist backers in exchange for staying in line.

Our conversation centers around these allegations. Zionists Rebuffed by Charlie Kirk.



Transcript

Hi everyone, Judge Andrew Napolitano here
for Judging Freedom. Today is Monday,
September 15th, 2025. Max Blumenthal is
here with a report of his latest
investigations
uh on the events leading up to the
murder of Charlie Kirk. Max, you've been
doing unbelievable investigative
reporting. What have you learned?
Well, following my September 12th
report, which provided background about
the pressure, the mounting pressure that
Charlie Kirk was under
pro-Israel forces, from Netanyahu's
cutouts in the United States, I gathered
more details. Uh, the piece, it hit like
a sledgehammer. It really caused uh a
lot of I I I think it spoke for a lot of
people particularly within the
conservative movement which is changing
uh among the youth on the question of
Israel and more pe more people started
coming out and more people started
talking and people were talking to me
and these were people who had knowledge
of a tumultuous stormy meeting held in
the Hamptons during the first week of
August convened according to multiple
sources with knowledge of this meeting
intimate knowledge of this meeting by
the billionaire
ultra-ionist financeier Bill Aman who is
close to Netanyahu and his kind of
network in the United States. Charlie
Kirk was summoned
along with an an array of young sort of
vapid, very avaricious conservative
influencers who seem to be sort of in
Israel's back pocket to set a very
pro-Israel tone for this meeting. And
Charlie Kirk was, according to one
source, hammered by Aman and others for
allowing Israel critics, very prominent
conservative voices like Megan Kelly,
Tucker Carlson, or uh the anti-ionist
Jewish comedian Dave Smith to appear at
his events.
And actually, Charlie Kirk was planning
to host many of these same figures again
in December. and he had just added to uh
his TPUSA major um I think it's called
America Fest in December the premier
critic of Israel in Congress. I didn't
say Republican critic, I just said
premier critic because that's what she
is now, Marjgerie Taylor Green, which
really reflected his shifting views. And
Aman, according to multiple sources, had
this meeting to basically bully Charlie
Kirk into submission. Charlie Kirk
walked away according to one person
feeling like there was an attempt to
blackmail him. He refused
uh any offers of funding and also
refused the offer to travel to Israel
and meet with Netanyahu which Netanyahu
disclosed in the wake the immediate wake
of Netanyahu's death. He talked about
this letter but he didn't say whether
Charlie Kirk refused or accepted. I've
learned since that he refused.
And then beyond that, he was becoming
so alienated by this crowd of pro-Israel
enforcers
um that he was moving away from the
Protestant church. This is what I've
been told. Candace Owens just uh
disclosed this on her live stream.
And you know he was a Protestant who as
a young conservative voice an you know I
think I believe in evangelical
Christian.
He he was a Christian nationalist by his
own words.
Yes. And he was pushing the idea of this
Judeo-Christian alliance and that was
like music to the ears of the pro-Israel
funders. But now he was starting to
attend Catholic mass with his wife Erica
and moving in a different direction.
what Candace Owens called a spiritual
transformation. And the Catholics just
don't have that same conceptualization
of American Christian nationalism and
the Judeo-Christian alliance.
Correct.
This has never been I don't think it's
been reported before. So he was
undergoing a transformation, a singular
figure in the Trump world, unreplaceable
uh sort of a a unique figure in that
world. and he was moving on this
question and
there really wasn't anything they could
do to stop him because you couldn't just
I mean I I'm sure there would have been
an attempt and there already was through
figures like Ben Shapiro and Mark Levvin
on at Fox News to attack him and sort of
suggest maybe he should be removed. But
you can't really just remove someone
like that who's had who's built this
entire gigantic infrastructure around
himself. So we really don't know where
things would have gone. But these two
stories together I think paint a picture
of a it's a it's a wider history of
where the conservative movement itself
is going and the kind of gra the
astrourfing from is pro-Israel 1enters
to prevent that.
This will uh undermine
uh Trump's support on this issue
substantially. So his good buddy, the
vice president of the United States, is
a Catholic convert. Candace Owens is a
Catholic convert. Mrs. Kirk is a born
and raised uh Roman Catholic. This
probably terrified the Christian
nationalists, the Mike Huckabe types and
their wealthy uh American mainly New
York uh Zionist
um uh Finn and Sears. Do we know from
your sources what Kirk himself thought
of Netanyahu? Did he feel intimidated by
Netanyahu?
Yes, absolutely. And and the I think the
reason that people initially anyone
initially started talking to me was that
Netanyahu came out while Charlie Kirk's
body was still warm and started lying
about him and trying to recast him as
his best friend. Now, it's true Charlie
Kirk was
until fairly recently, uh certainly
before October 7th, 2023, the most
important gentile asset that Israel
might have had today. uh possibly more
important than Trump because Charlie
Kirk was preaching the pro-Israel gospel
to young people and he was potentially
on his way to becoming president or
senator, someone very important to
Israel. So he um as soon as he starts to
make some noises after October 7th about
Israel's
misdeeds, but particularly about
Israel's malign influence in Washington
and then he experienced the pressure
from pro-Israel donors like Bill Aman.
Netanyahu enters the picture. And
Charlie Kirk, according to a longtime
friend of his who I spoke to, considered
Netanyahu a disgusting bully who was a
manipulator and was fundamentally
dishonest. And this stands at complete
odds with the picture Netanyahu has
tried to paint in not just one, but I
think five or maybe six tweets since
Charlie Kirk was killed. And
additionally, I mean, I think it's
important to recognize what what
Netanyahu was doing. He was trying to do
the same thing he did after 911 when the
Israeli publication Maiv reported in
2008 that Netanyahu said 911 is good for
Israel. and he thought that Charlie he
wanted to to to exploit Charlie Kirk's
killing in a way that benefited Israel
by pushing a narrative of religious
warfare and Islamophobia inside the US.
And he blamed Islam and radical Muslims
and the left for killing Charlie Kirk
before the suspect was even known before
anyone had even been caught. And so the
truth and the reality about Charlie
Kirk's relationship with Netanyahu turns
Netanyahu's whole sectarian militaristic
narrative on its head.
Here's uh Charlie Kirk in August talking
to Megan Kelly, my friend and former
colleague
uh about the people that are attacking
him. Uh Chris, cut number 14.
I think I have a bulletproof resume
showing my defense of Israel both on
campus, on social media to to a great,
you know, let's just say mockery and
scorn at times where I cuz I believe it.
However, Megan, you're hitting on
something very potent and important.
Now, let me first say I don't want to
judge an entire group because there's
been many people in the periseral world
that have been very sweet, very kind,
very nuanced, very Charlie, you know,
you're with us. You don't have to agree
all the time. However, and I and I will
say this, the behavior by a lot both
privately and publicly are pushing
people like you and me away. My moral
character is now being put into
question, Megan. Not my decisions, not
like, hey, are you doing this? Is it
smart or is it dumb? But no, I am a bad
person if I do this.
And it's I could go I mean, you saw it,
Megan. It was trending on Twitter,
thousands of tweets and text messages.
And if I were to be charitable and
generous, I will say the people that are
attacking me are in a hyper paranoid
state because they're at war and war
tends to make things black and white and
you're a hammer looking for a nail. So,
I'm trying to be charitable, Megan.
Literally, I'm trying to cut as much
slack as I can. Right. I have less
ability sometimes online to criticize
the Israeli government without backlash
than actual Israelis do. And that's
really, really weird, isn't it, Megan?
That's not right.
Personality types like you, myself, and
Tucker. The more that you guys privately
and publicly call our character into
question, which is not isolated, right,
Megan, it would be one thing if it was
one text or two text. It is dozens of
texts. When the hostile reaction is that
now Megan and Charlie are enemies,
right? Boy, I'll tell you like you're
you're you're you're you're going to
you're not going to I won't say lose,
but you will weaken and just basically
deflate two of your strongest advocates
if that continues.
Right about the time
uh that he was summoned to the Hamptons
by Aman and company.
Yeah, I believe that was August 6th when
he said that. I
correct
I struggled to pinpoint the precise date
of the meeting, but that it was right
around that time because I managed to
dredge up Instagram photos from some of
the influencers who I confirmed to be at
the meeting, especially photos by
someone named Xavier de Rouso, who I'd
say very few people watching this have
probably heard of.
No, I never heard of him.
I I I hadn't heard much about him
before. I I I reached him on the phone
like everyone else who attended this
meeting that I reached. He was
flustered, freaked out by my call
immediately like went silent. He was he
was in a kind of in a state of panic.
They're all nervous about being
identified with this meeting. Xavier de
Rouso is a
employee of Prageru,
which is this conservative
indoctrination outlet that focuses on
youth, including young young people.
Like
this is another Christian nationalist uh
gaggle
run by Marissa Strait, who is a Jewish
Zionist who served in Israel's unit 8200
cyber spying division. Oh boy. And
Xavier Dur Rouso was sent with Israeli
government money to a Gaza Humanitarian
Foundation site two weeks after that
meeting in the Hamptons where he mocked
the famine in Gaza in very disgusting
fashion. Said Hamas leaders are on ompic
because they're getting so fat off all
the food they're getting. And uh that's
that's his role. That's the role of many
of the other influencers who are sent
there. and kind of like that's what
Charlie Kirk was surrounded by there
along with Bill Aman who apparently
organized this entire thing who has been
just since October 7th strongarmming his
way through institutions across this
country to bully them into pro-Israel
submission and apparently his next
target was Charlie Kirk because of what
Charlie Kirk was doing at TPUSA
specifically allowing Tucker Carlson to
come on stage and referring to Bill Aman
as a Jeffrey Epstein associate who was a
scam artist and a charlatan uh who had
made his money through nebulous means.
And so it all kind of fits together.
Why do you think Netanyahu felt the need
to go on national television and
expressly deny that Israel assassinated
Kirk? I mean, who does that?
Yeah. Well, why why do millions of
people I mean you you see it all over
social media. They think Israel had some
involvement because of the way they've
been conducting themselves around the
world in the region. Netanyahu is not
just waving waging a sevenfront war.
He's carrying out an assassination spree
in broad daylight all across the region
including inside a US ally. And you have
this record of Charlie Kirk which backs
up everything I heard on background
going out in public and you can see he's
anguished. He's angry. He's almost like
on the verge of going crazy because he's
under so much pressure from Netanyahu's
cutouts in the United States. So, you
know, people are taking the reality
and to another level where it's an
unsubstantiated theory. I have no
evidence that Israel had any role in
Charlie Kirk's assassination, but
they're taking it there because of what
they know about Israel and its
capabilities and its ruthlessness and al
along with the fact that the official
story just keeps collapsing and is so
murky and filled with contradictions
that no one knows really what to make of
of any of this. Did you learn from your
sources
if Kirk believed that President Trump
was frightened
of Benjamin Netanyahu?
Well, I didn't I don't know what Kirk
thought and I I've never met him even
though I've been following him for about
10 years.
One of my sources
knows people in the White House. I mean,
the Trump White House is very
accessible, I should say. I mean, I've
gotten sources in there, like very good
sources, and I can tell you some of the
things that they've been saying, but
this one particular source said has said
um that, and this is something I've been
hearing around Trump's circle for years,
Trump was always afraid of assassination
because of all the of the the attacks
that he was under because he was always
compared to Hitler and so on. Then he
faces a real assassination attempt. So,
of course, he's afraid of that. He's
very afraid of Netanyahu and his
capabilities. And uh during one of
Netanyahu's many trips to Washington
this year, Israeli agents placed
electronic devices on Secret Service
emergency response vehicles on two
separate occasions. This is what source
told me with very
Did the Secret Service arrest these
Israeli agents?
They found the devices and this is what
I was told by a Trump insider. So, I
can't call up if I called up the Secret
Service and asked them to confirm this,
they just wouldn't even acknowledge it.
It's not something that's going to
happen. But there's a precedent there.
The precedent is in 2019, three
high-ranking former US officials told
Politico that Israel had done the exact
same thing, placing Stingray cell phone
surveillance devices around the White
House and insensitive locations
throughout Washington to surveil Donald
Trump's uh phone communications. Now,
who would get access to those locations?
First of all, you can't just send uh you
know uh Schlommo Mossad up in there.
He's not going to get access. But
Benjamin Netanyahu has access and his
own security team. And actually in 2017,
Boris Johnson, the former Israeli prime
minister, wrote in his memoir that
Netanyahu went into his personal toilet
and left a surveillance device, a
listening device. That British security,
his personal security, found a listening
device after Netanyahu used his personal
toilet. This was reported in the
Telegraph, the British Telegraph, which
is a pro-Israel publication. So, I I I
would I wouldn't just uh I would have
just dismissed this, but there's just
such a strong precedent there, and it
frightens people inside the White House
when you have this foreign intelligence
agency, which is carrying out a
genocide, which can basically funds your
campaigns through cutouts like Miriam
Madison. Netanyahu is calling it into
the White House demanding personnel
changes all the time. That's what I've
heard. And you think you can defy them
and uh not provide them weapons when
they are in this war that they think is
the most important existential war in
the history of Israel. No, you can't
just do that. So, it stands to reason
that Trump is afraid. And that's what I
was told by an insider with access to
Trump.
You think more is going to come out on
all this? I mean, you you've been
researching this since since Charlie was
murdered for 4 days now. Well, it's not
just it's after I put out the first
story, I just started
getting more
information that I never expected to
have that dovetailed with rumors that I
was seeing on social media and provided
detail to them. And this I think is
kind of just it's a history about
this USIsrael special relationship
that's being uncovered right now that
shows just how how it's collapsed is
completely collapsed because when you I
think when you lose Charlie Kirk I don't
mean physically but when you lose when
they lost him politically or if they
lost him politically and he starts
refusing your funding refusing
Netanyahu's offer to fund his
organization to the hilt, which was
which was what I told he did, then
you've lost the game.
Did he refuse to fly to Israel and meet
with Netanyahu?
That's what I was told and that's what
Candace Owens, who was a lot closer to
Charlie Kirk than me, just said on her
live stream that he rejected that offer.
So Netanyahu delivered a video eulogy to
Charlie Kirk and and held this letter
that he said he sent him inviting him to
Israel to Jerusalem two weeks before his
death. Why would you do that if Charlie
Kirk refused? Like how much of a sick
sociopath do you have to be? But then
again, Bill Aman
the day after Charlie Kirk was killed
took to Twitter X to declare that he had
a meal this summer with Charlie Kirk and
spent time with him and he was a giant
of a man. I mean, how deranged do you
have to be to say that when the reality
was that this was described as an
intervention in which Charlie Kirk was
hammered by Bill Aman and put under all
this pressure which poured out into that
Megan Kelly interview. I mean, we're not
dealing We're dealing with real
sociopaths here.
Max, you're you are second to none when
it comes to
the the skull duggery you go through,
your personal courage and your
understanding of all of these uh
profound issues and interrelated uh
factors here. I I can't thank you uh
enough. Uh I know you're going to be
doing some other things for a day or so,
but uh if more of this comes out and you
want this audience, please let us know
you you have it at your disposal. Let me
let me just say one thing that I've been
hearing from a Trump administration
source, like someone who's in the white
a Trump administration official, and
I've heard this from other areas close
to the Trump administration, which is
that they don't really feel like they're
hearing enough from the FBI. The FBI is
not being transparent. And that's the
way that the American people feel about
this. And so the longer they that goes
on
Oh, transparent over what the
they're not sharing information, they're
not like they want to see like video of
the the muzzle flash from the roof and
see where the shot came from. And since
that's not forthcoming even at the
highest level, the public is is becoming
more, I hate to say it, but
conspiratorial.
And this is just going to fester until
we get some answers. So, what we need
are answers and we need a real
investigation into this and we need a
real investigation into the Ryan Ruth
assassination attempt since he was
connected to Ukraine and its
international legion and was having
meetings on Capitol Hill. It's very
strange how that one was buried as well
as the
uh Butler, Pennsylvania shooting. That
one just kind of
went away. Do do the people in the White
House fear that Robinson did not pull
the trigger that propelled the fatal
shot?
I think that anyone who's not getting
answers who's in the administration
has a lot of suspicion and questions
about what's going on. And but let me
again say I'm totally content to believe
the official story if if it's proven, if
it's demonstrated, if we get some
evidence. But where is that? And also
and and additionally, I see no I have no
evidence that Israel played any role.
I'm not here saying that. But consider
how the public is going to react here
when we live in this digital panopticon
where everything around us is filmed
through active or passive surveillance.
Cell phones were everywhere filming
Charlie Kirk along with real cameras and
we still have missing angles.
So, about two hours ago, Dan Bonino told
uh Fox News that they're looking for an
accomplice.
I I I don't even know who to trust. I
mean, do we trust this podcaster guy?
But yeah, they're
He's a podcaster guy, but he's number
two in the FBI.
Yeah, I mean, he's Well, he's certainly
unhappy, but he's there. and and Cash
Patel said that there was a manifesto
left by Tyler Robinson, but it is
disappeared or destroyed and they're
going to try to forensically reconstruct
it. Look, everything could come together
by tomorrow, but right now it's it's not
it's there there isn't there isn't
enough there to clearly convict a lone
wolf shooter.
Uh it it and therefore the public is
going to develop its own theories.
Thank you, Max. Thanks for all your
work. Thanks for the privilege of having
you break this news uh right here. A
forum that is always available to you
even though you have your own enormous
forum. Uh my best to you and your
family.
Thanks a lot, Judge.
Of course. Wow. Coming up tomorrow on
all of this at 8 in the morning,
Ambassador Chaz Freeman. At 11 in the
morning, Max's wonderful colleague Aaron
Mate. At 3:00 in the afternoon, Colonel
Karen Quartcowski and all of your
Judging Freedom favorites by the end of
the week. Judge Npalitano for Judging
Freedom.

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Israel, Charlie Kirk, and the Weaponization of Murder (w/ Max Blumenthal) | The Chris Hedges Report
The Chris Hedges YouTube Channel
Sep 15, 2025



Transcript

The assassination of Charlie Kirk presages a new deadly stage in the disintegration of a fractious and highly
polarized United States. political violence, including the murder of Minnesota House of Representatives
Speaker Melissa Hortman and her husband and the two assassination attempts against Donald Trump seems certain to
expand. So does state repression of individuals and groups accused by the far right in the Trump administration of
fermenting the hate that led to Kirk's assassination. Trump blames the radical left for Kirk's murder, claiming it is
quote directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today and it must stop right
now. He vows to quote find each and every one of those who contributed to this atrocity and to other political
violence, including the organizations that funded and support it, as well as those who go after our judges, law
enforcement officials, and everyone else who brings order to our society. end
quote. If Trump means what he says, and I suspect he does, we will see the full
force of the federal government used to target Trump's opponents and organizations, including the Democratic
Party, the media, universities, and advocacy groups, which are already under heavy assault. More ominously, it will
give a green light to far-right vigilante groups to carry out violent attacks. Those blamed for polluting
America, including Muslims, the LGBTQ community, groups such as Antifa,
feminist liberals, the left, the undocumented, the poor, and people of color.

Joining me to discuss Kirk's
assassination, what it means for the United States, and the future of our disintegrating democracy, is Max
Blumenthal, editor of The Gray Zone, whose most recent article is, quote, "Charlie Kirk refused Netanyahu funding
offer was frightened by pro-Israel forces before death friends reveal,"
which adds, of course, another fascinating twist to this unfolding saga.

So, Max, before we get into the
ramifications of this assassination in terms of civil liberties and repression, let's talk a little bit
about the article that you just published about Kirk's
alienation or distance from the Zionist lobby. I know you've been writing about Kirk for some time.

Yeah, I've been writing about him since 2015, three years after he started TPUSA, which became the largest, most
influential conservative youth organization in history. And at that
time he was at the forefront of a massive infusion of Israel lobby cash
into his group through the David Horowitz Freedom Center which was basically making him the property of
Israel in exchange in exchange for this sort of Faustian bargain. He was going to be at the top of the conservative youth
grassroots or astroturf grassroots. And so all he he could talk about was
race, immigration, all the social issues, and take the most extreme lines possible, say whatever he
wanted as long as he pushed this so-called Judeo-Christian
relationship and constantly talked about the Judeo-Christian roots
of the country, and supported Israel and attacked the BDS movement, which was growing on campus at the grass roots level
whenever he could.

And so Charlie Kirk was actually at the forefront of
many of the blacklisting operations that have targeted college professors as well
as students. He was in the same circles as those who were
behind Canary Mission, which is now being used to target green card
holders, and visa holders, for deportation under Trump.

So I was covering it early on before anyone had heard about him. He
was a baby-faced activist then, but he was obviously very hardworking,
talented, a huge asset for them. And flash forward to
July of this year, Charlie Kirk is the most influential conservative activist,
period. He's on his way to possibly becoming the next president. Almost certainly would have become senator if,
even though he's from Illinois, and he runs TPUSA, which is major, there's a crisis taking place. Charlie
Kirk is under pressure from his own grassroots on the issue of Israel.
Israel's exerting under Netanyahu so much control on Trump, amid a genocide
that the grassroots have turned against, and if you look at recent polling,
Ugov polling, Pew polling, all of them show about only 25% of Republicans
under 35 support Israel over the Palestinians. If you actually pay attention to what Nick Fuentes, who's
the most influential right-wing America first
streamer says, they're not just upset over Jewish influence. They're not
just being anti-Jewish. They're actually upset by the same things that upset us. The deliberate starvation of the
civilian population unfolding in real time, and watching their president just fold to a foreign apartheid state.

And so this pressure was building within Charlie Kirk's camp, and Charlie Kirk himself was beginning to turn. And it
all exploded out in the open at the Student Action Summit, which I believe was in Tampa, Florida in July 2025. And
that's where Charlie Kirk brought Tucker Carlson, someone who had already turned on this issue, on stage to not only talk
about how Jeffrey Epstein was possibly a Mossad agent, but to call for those
who had gone and fought for Israel, American Jews who had gone to fought for Israel's military rather than the US
military, to be stripped of their citizenship.

And he called out Bill Ackman, one of the most influential
Zionist billionaires in the US, who is a Netanyahu cutout, who had been sort of manipulating and bullying Harvard into
submission. His money got Claudine Gay as president kicked out at Harvard. He mocked
Bill Ackman as a financial con artist. He literally called him a scam artist, and questioned where his money came from.
And the crowd was cheering and delighting in this entire spectacle. Megan Kelly from Fox was calling Jeffrey Epstein a Mossad agent.

Then Charlie Kirk
opened up the floor to a debate on the very issue of Zionism, and brought on an
anti-Zionist Jew, a comedian named Dave Smith, to debate a Zionist apparatchik at
Newsweek named Joshua Hammer. And Dave Smith mopped the floor with him. He's very effective. He was also
talking about human rights abuses, and the crowd was clearly with him.

And after this summit, Charlie Kirk was
bombarded with furious text messages, phone calls. There may have been meetings as well, very tense meetings as
well, with his donors, the people who built him up. And they said, "We built you up. We can take all of this away
from you if you don't stop this." And here they were laying down the law.

And this offended him,
alienated him. He was not used to being talked to like that, as though he were property. But you know, when you join the Firm, you don't get to leave. And at the same time,
I was told by a longtime friend of Charlie Kirk that he was frightened
by the way he was being treated. Basically a mafia was reading him the
riot act. And he wasn't the only one who was frightened.
I was told that. And the source is someone who knows people in
the White House.

Donald Trump's frightened. Donald Trump is afraid to defy Netanyahu. He's afraid about what
can happen. And I was told that during one of Netanyahu's or several of Netanyahu's recent visits to the US, I
think he's made four visits this year, which is unprecedented, listening devices were planted by
Israeli agents on the Secret Services' emergency response vehicles,
maybe Stingray devices, some kind of listening device, electronic surveillance device. This was
found by the Secret Service. It was told to the White House. Obviously, the White House kept it under wraps and this has,
you know, made people nervous inside the White House and the national security team, and this is not something
unprecedented. Politico in 2019 reported citing three former US officials saying that
Israel had planted stingray devices around the White House to spy on Trump's cell phone communications. Boris
Johnson, the former Israeli PM, wrote in his memoir that Netanyahu went to use his personal toilet. And afterwards,
his personal security team found a listening device in his toilet. Like immediately afterwards, Tony Blair told
his own team, "When you go to Israel, do not speak about anything sensitive in government buildings or
cars." So the I don't think I'm being fed a bunch of conspiracy theories here.

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And what I reported, based on background sourcing, matches up with the things that Charlie Kirk said in public, that he was
being bombarded by what he called Jewish stakeholders, meaning his funders, and that he felt
that he could not express his own views anymore as an American. And he was
starting to move in public.

So consider the consequence of a figure like Charlie
Kirk, who's on his way to basically inheriting the mantle of Trumpism at
some point, and who controls a large segment of that movement, taking the base away from the Judeo-Christian
relationship, taking it away from rock-solid support for Israel, as Israel is in a seven-front
war, carrying out genocide, and Netanyahu believes that he has this short window of time to basically carry out regime
change in Iran. It would have been catastrophic.

And I also learned from multiple sources that Charlie Kirk
actually took it upon himself personally to go to the White House, and personally lobby Trump against bombing Iran back in
June, and that he was shut down. Trump angrily rebuked him because Trump is simply afraid. He's completely
controlled at this point by Netanyahu.

So, am I saying that Israel killed Charlie
Kirk? How would I know that? There's no evidence for that. But how am I going to
not report this fascinating background about where the conservative movement in the Republican party itself
are going on the question of Israel, when I'm learning all of this after his death,
and there are so many unusual aspects
to the investigation, so many mishaps by the FBI, and such
strange behavior by the Israeli government and Netanyahu himself since Charlie Kirk's killing, that it has
fueled speculation by millions of people online that there may have been an
Israeli role. I mean, why wouldn't they speculate when Israel seems to assassinate everyone that defies it in
its own region, and has even dispatched thousands of pagers to
low-level Hezbollah members and their families to assassinate them. It's
something that we would expect in this atmosphere. But I am not making any direct claim that Israel
assassinated him. What I'm saying is I think they would have taken him out. The
Israel lobby would have taken him out for sure, but they would have preferred not to do it, or need to do it
physically. They could just defund him, and then castigate him, as they're doing with figures like Candace Owens, or
Tucker Carlson who have turned against them.

So this is just a fascinating look, and it won't
be my last one at Charlie Kirk's final days, and the political pressure he
was under.

How much money was he getting number one, and number two, can you talk about
Netanyahu's reaction, because you write about it in your piece, his interactions with
Kirk.

Well, this is something that was not known to the public and
I hope to be able to report this out in greater detail. But I
was told by a friend of Kirk, someone close to Kirk who was speaking to him in his last days, that Netanyahu
actually came in and personally offered to re-up Kirk's TPUSA
organization with a massive infusion of Zionist money. And
his budget at its height was something like $80 million. I mean,
we're talking about a lot of money.

Just watch the student action summit that became so controversial. There's
nothing like it on the left, or even within the Democratic parties' associated
organizations. It's very flashy. Look at Charlie Kirk's final moments. I mean,
it looked almost like he was running for president. It looked like a Trump
rally. And he had an enormous amount of former Navy Seals, and special forces guys around him, like
executive security. You have to have a lot of money for that. So, he already had the money, but he was at risk
of losing much of it. And Netanyahu comes in and says basically,
"Come to the dark side. Stop talking about this, and we will take care of you.
I will call my cutouts, and they'll have everything handled." And Charlie Kirk refused. And that was what I'm learning is that that was not the first time he refused someone close to Netanyahu in recent months. And it left
him feeling cold, and anxious, and even in the words of the friend, "frightened."

I've had some conversations with other
influential people in the right-wing influencer world since my piece came
out, and basically they want me to know that this is something they're
all facing at all of the major right-wing media organizations associated with Trump, that there is no
space for them to criticize Israel. And one figure I could point
to, I've actually been on his podcast, he's one of the top right-wing podcasters if you go to Rumble,
which is sort of the YouTube alternative because so many right-wing voices were being banned there, and even us Chris,
more on the left, we get demonetized left and right, and suppressed. So we've even turned to Rumble. But
you go to Rumble, like Tim P is one of the first. If he's live streaming, that comes up right away. And so he gets an
enormous amount of views. And when I went on his show right after
October 7th, he gave me the floor, and let me speak my mind.

Tim P was
summoned to a meeting with Netanyahu during one of Netanyahu's visits under Trump's second term at the
Blair House, where Netanyahu is staying with just a few other right-wing
GOP affiliated media influencers, and he was not allowed
to talk about what happened. I think one of his co-hosts, or guests, brought up the meeting on his podcast, and you
could see he was extremely nervous, extremely anxious. And it's like, "Was he
captured somehow by Netanyahu?"

I mean the pressure that Netanyahu himself is personally bringing on the right-wing
podcast world really shows his anxiety about the rebellion that's taking place
among the youth. And after my article came out, which got over 100,000 unique views on our website, then I did an interview with Tim
Dylan, who's a very popular comedian about this, which has erupted. It's
600,000 views now, just exploding across social media as people were
already talking about this issue.

Netanyahu takes to Twitter-X for the
sixth or seventh time since Charlie Kirk's killing, to declare that Charlie Kirk was a true friend of Israel. And
this time, it felt like Netanyahu was overcompensating,
and was afraid of the truth getting out, which is that as Charlie Kirk's longtime
friend told me, Charlie Kirk had grown to hate Netanyahu, as every US leader
has.

Remember the open mic with Macron, and Obama, the
hot mic in 2012 or something? They're complaining about Netanyahu, and they're like, "You think you have
trouble dealing with him. He calls me every day."

That's where Charlie Kirk was. He thought Netanyahu was a disgusting
bully, and manipulator.

So Netanyahu is worried that Charlie Kirk's base,
posthumously, will start to take on that
sentiment towards him. And you can see they're deploying Ben Shapiro
everywhere they can. Ben Shapiro is like the leading media asset for
Netanyahu in the United States. He just feels like astroturf to me. He
even jokes on Twitter about having six million followers, but he seems so unlikable and talentless, and he's
pushing a kind of warmed-over Trumpism that just doesn't feel
authentic. And he's on Fox News with the other major Zionist
enforcer in the media, who Netanyahu helped personally credit with convincing Trump to bomb Iran, Mark Levin, just
days before Charlie Kirk's assassination. And they were alluding to Charlie Kirk allowing Tucker Carlson on stage this summer and saying, "You can't have a big tent. You cannot allow these cooks in,
and you can't be at the front of the church allowing a congregation of anti-Israel nut jobs into your realm." Then Charlie Kirk goes to the front of the church 4 days later, and a sniper bullet hits him in the neck. And
Ben Shapiro comes out 24 hours later and says, "We need to go on our own campus
tours, and pick up the bloody microphone where Charlie Kirk left it." The subtext
is, "We're going to go on those campus tours, and we're not going to allow this anti-Israel stuff to come into our quote
unquote "church" anymore."

Let's talk a little bit about the
ramifications of this. One of the things that we've seen over the last few months as the genocide, as you said,
across the political spectrum becomes so repugnant, is Netanyahu's courting of
alternative media. He almost never goes on mainstream media.

Yeah. Great question. Netanyahu never goes
on Israeli media, and you know that from your years in
the region, and having Israeli sources who say that anyone who isn't Likud in Israel
constantly complains that Netanyahu will never talk to Hebrew language media. Because he can't take a
challenge. He wants to dominate, and get his
message across. And his message is best sent to Americans as long as he can
hold his tiny narrow edge in his coalition together by keeping the genocide going, and keeping the fascist,
messianic elements as his lynchpin. The Israeli public doesn't matter. The
hostages can all die. What matters is keeping his direct line to Washington,
and to Trump.

And the biggest challenge, once again, was Charlie Kirk. It
was the conservative youth who are in this open rebellion against Israel. And so on his last tour to the US, Netanyahu
sat down with the Neelk boys. I wasn't that familiar with them, because I
have an IQ higher than a grapefruit, and they cater to a very low IQ audience
that likes pranks, and fratboy kind of bawdy humor. And they themselves admitted
after the interview, which was like a softball interview where they asked Netanyahu,
"Do you like better McDonald's or Burger King more?"
And they admitted after the interview, that the questions were fed to them by Netanyahu's team.

Number two, they
didn't know who Netanyahu was, and after learning about it from more educated
members of their audience, they decided that he was the new Hitler, and they felt bad about interviewing the new
Hitler.

Netanyahu has carried out several interviews, with basically the most
vacuous podcasters in the US. And why would you even agree to interview Netanyahu? I mean, of course, he's a
world leader. So you want the engagement. But there must be some kind of financial incentive there. And if the pro-Netanyahu elements in the US, fronted by Barry Weiss, paid for by
David Ellison, the son of Oracle CIA contractor Larry Ellison, are going to
buy CBS News, and put Barry Weiss at the head of the editorial team, it's pretty
clear what's going on. They're not in just a seven-front war, they're in an eight-front war, with the United
States as the eighth front. And it's a hybrid war mainly focused on
propaganda. But when that fails, they will escalate.

Let's talk about that, because since Kirk's assassination, we have seen in particular the
Zionist lobby weaponize his murder to call for this quote "War against the radical left." Is it Brian Mast who pushed a
bill to authorize the secretary of state to revoke passports to quote, "kick
out terrorist sympathizers" out of the country? This of course follows
Tom Cotton's demand, after the genocide had started
on October 7th, for the justice department national security to investigate news outlets such as AP,
CNN, New York Times, Reuters, for publishing photographs of October
7.

They've weaponized this. You know, you have this
breach between Kirk and the Zionist and Israel lobby, yet at the same time,
his assassination, his elevation to martyrdom, is really being used by the
Israel lobby to go after everybody who not only criticizes
Israel, but everyone on the Left.

Yeah. I mean, they see the Left as the
main base of BDS, who elevated this issue to a national crisis.
The Left is their main target. Netanyahu sees a marriage of radical leftism and
Islam, what David Horowitz called the Red-Green Alliance, as the main threat in the US. And so in
his first Fox News appearance, before the suspect's identity, Tyler Robinson, was even known, Netanyahu blamed Muslims. He blamed
radical Islam for doing this, the same way that he declared in comments
reported in the Israeli paper Mahariv, in 2008, that 911 was good
for Israel. If Muslims could be found to be responsible, well, that's good for Israel.

It's also good for the GOP. The
Utah governor openly declared during a press conference that he was praying that the culprit would be a foreigner,
and "not one of our own guys," meaning Tyler Robinson of Utah.
He just openly admitted it standing right in front of Kash Patel, an immigrant from India. The FBI
director looked kind of uncomfortable in that position. The identity of the killer, and the
motive, was determined before Charlie Kirk's body went cold. And the agenda
was already there the same way that the Patriot Act had already been assembled prior to 9/11 2001. And it is an agenda
of mass repression, crushing dissent, basically criminalizing
what they consider anti-Israel activity.

And we've seen this week, with Brian ____'s bill, which is basically
Israel's agenda to strip Americans of citizenship if they're accused of providing material support, which can be
anything, to Iran and Israel's enemies, --

So, just to interrupt, Max, people who have provided legal advice to groups are
accused of providing material support to terrorist groups.

Yes. And there is no due process for them under this bill. Normally, it would go to a court. In this case, it's
the exclusive authority of the Secretary of State, someone created by the Israel
lobby, basically an AIPAC plant, Marco Rubio. And where is Marco Rubio right now? Marco Rubio is kissing the wall. Right now he's leaving the cotell in the old city of Jerusalem,
where he was forced to carry out this humiliation ritual, that every US politician who wants to rise does,
where they have to put on a keepa, and Netanyahu takes him to the western wall, and they have to basically kiss the wall. It's like, "Up against the wall, motherfucker. You want to be a politician?"

And he's there with Mike Huckabee, the Christian Zionist who
really believes in that stuff, who is basically doing genocide management for the US in Gaza
right now, overseeing the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation starvation siege. This is just a
shocking display to witness.

And then back home you have Steven Miller, who himself is an arch Zionist, who is
running the entire agenda for Donald Trump right now -- he's sort of the Rove-ian brains behind this
authoritarian crackdown that they want to implement -- telling Sean Hannity that, "We will put you into exile, and we will
take away your freedoms if you minimize Charlie Kirk's death. We will put you
into exile." What does that mean? It means taking away your citizenship. This is what they want to do. It's on
the table. It's playing out on social media in a vigilante fashion on a site called Charlie's murderers.com, who is doxing thousands and thousands of
Americans not only for celebrating Charlie Kirk's death, which I personally found to be deeply antisocial, that shows a lack of humanity, but
also minimizing his death, or calling him a racist, or like you, putting his
views in context. And they're losing their jobs. It's a dystopian scenario.

The right-wing is playing
cancel culture to the extreme. But it's playing to win, unlike the left, which was trying to enforce a
very narrow moral code by getting people, within their own
media organizations, canceled, and so on. The right is playing to win. They want to fully isolate Left-wing dissent from
society, and they're exploiting this in a way that raises a lot of questions
before there's been a full investigation of this shooting yet.

Tyler Robinson is
not cooperating. I haven't seen the confession. Apparently, everyone close to him is cooperating. We don't have the
information, but they don't care. They want to ram through this agenda which totally dovetales with what they've been
doing with ICE. This is ICE isn't just about immigration. It's about normalizing secret police in our society
that violate people's fourth and sixth amendment rights and are able to essentially kidnap anyone who is a
resident in the US and take them to de facto concentration camps. And the
budget, Trump's big beautiful bill, has put these secret police on hyperdrive.
The the the the kidnapping of Latinos who are suspected of being undocumented migrants is a pilot program for a larger
agenda. Yeah, without question. I mean, and of course, the expansion of these detention
centers uh are uh you know, regionally going to have in essence de facto concentration
camps dotted throughout the United States. What what what do you expect to
see coming? I they've gone after George Soros. Uh I mean the insanity of it, but what
are we going to see in terms of their game plan o over the next few weeks and months?
Well, I mean, I hate George Soros and what he's done across the world is malign. I mean, he's a CIA adjacent.
Well, let me let me just interrupt, Max. I mean George source did exactly what the aid uh democracy initiatives did
which is crush any kind of popular or resistance movements. I mean that's the kind of final irony but yeah
exactly and and you know this this this this relates to a wider
conversation I think about the left the postb left is the role of foundation
money in the left. I know Christian parent is working on a book about this. How this foundation money from the Ford
Foundation, Open Societies, was basically used to suppress and sort of
neutralize anti-war and class-based activism within the left and get people more focused on issues that didn't
threaten the Democratic Party, which was controlled by the rich, like anti-racism. not not not you know understanding the
racialized roots of poverty but just this vague concept of anti-racism and all of these other social issues. It's a
se it's a sort of separate conversation but where I think things are going in this country is very dark and res um
recalls the years of lead in Italy. The years of lead were u driven by or
punctuated and accelerated by political terrorism and political assassination.
It's uh it was a strategy of tension which was being orchestrated
by the intelligence services not just the Italian intelligence services that
were affiliated with NATO. the CIA was involved and um Israeli intelligence may
have been involved as well in the killing of Aldo Mororrow um the Italian
prime minister. So let's consider the 1969 Milan cafe bombing uh Piaza Fontana
bombing. This was like what what launched the years of lead and it was a false flag
operation that was carried out by staybehind armies recruited by the CIA
under Operation Gladadio from far-right fascist groups which would have collaborated with Hitler during his
occupation of Italy as well as like they were also recruiting within the mafia and it was blamed on left-wing
anarchists. That's not what I'm saying happened here. I'm just talking I I just I'm trying to make a larger point. The
reason that the security services did this was they feared they actually did fear in some way far-right fascism, but
their primary concern was communism and leftism in general. and they felt like
if the situation became destabilized and the public became afraid they would
adhere to the security states agenda which was in that case pro- NATO. Um I
also mentioned the kidnapping and killing of Aldo Mororrow. Um Aldo Morrow
was the last of a kind in Italian um politics. 1978 he was kidnapped by
the red brigades and it began it really accelerated the social unrest and fear
that the middle class Italian public felt after uh following like Gladio and
everything and he was held for days by the red brigades. They put him on a mock
trial and then uh after killing his security team and kidnapping him during
like um with his motorcade and they accused him of selling out the
working class and um making it Italy an imperialist state. But if you know,
historians have looked back at what Mora was doing and seen that he was actually
privately allowing arms to pass through Italy to Palestinian resistance groups,
that he was taking a um very not necessarily friendly stance toward
Israel, that he was a friend of unions and workingclass syndicates, and that
the Red Brigades had actually, I mean, this is confirmed, the Red Brigades had been infiltrated heavily by the
intelligence services. Many suspect the Israeli intelligence service. Um and it
crushed the national unity government and actually moved Italy further to the right to the point where now um Giorgio
Maloney I mean I Georgio Maloney sort of reflects this legacy as this right-wing leader. So the strategy of tension in
the US has been building since 2020. And I can point to one incident then that I
think is a a perfect microcosm of what I'm talking about. Kenosha, Wisconsin,
the Kyle Writtenhouse shooting, which is poorly understood by people on the left who supported BLM.
Kyle Writtenhouse was acting in a vigilante fashion to guard uh local
business with his weapon out along with other local men from
lutters and riers who were destroying local businesses in a completely nihilistic fashion. A group of prob
marchers was marching around soon after looting. They were not they were not smashing up businesses. They were just
marching randomly. And their own crowd had been seated with
people who had never protested before. or one of whom was a local mental patient, a young man who had just been
let out mysteriously of a local mental hospital and dropped off at their demonstration by police. The police
directed the marchers directly to where Kyle Writtenhouse and his group of
vigilantes were and several of the marchers began physically attacking Kyle
Writtenhouse. One pulled a pistol on him. Kyle Writtenhouse shot them. He also shot the young man who had been a
mental patient. And this inflamed racial hatred across the United States as Kyle
Writtenhouse was actually accused of going across state lines to hunt down black people. The police had no reason
to push the crowd and direct them to where Kyle Writtenhouse was except to inflame that conflict. Do I know that
there was some higher order there? No. But this was what I was seeing in my own
uh just just being out there in the country at the time. And it was also at
a time when COVID was beginning to grip the country and the unvaccinated were being pitted against the vaccinated. The
we're just constantly being pitted against each other by narratives that come from the top. And that is where
Trump wants this to go because Trump has promised a new golden age for the 1%.
It's not for the rest of us. And the 1% is has been terrified. Not just since
the Charlie Kirk shooting is primarily terrifying the podcaster class. Since the shooting of I think his name was
Brian Johnson, the United Healthcare CEO by Luigi Manion.
Steve Bannon, former Trump chief of staff, gave a talk to a group of
financial elites and tech elites. I believe it was in Silicon Valley. many of them were not Republicans. And he
said, "Here is our promise to you. Here's why." This was like, I think at the beginning of the second Trump term.
He said, "This is why you should support MAGA because this guy Luigi Manion went out and shot one of you. This is going
to happen more and more. We are entering a period of social unrest and social social turmoil and we will protect you."
So what we are going to see now is a policy crafted for the elite that is
terrified of this environment and at the same time a policy to drive us the rest of us who have nothing who are in debt
who are uh don't really see much of a uh
a financial future in the US. They're going to pit us all against each
other through a strategy of tension and then repress us all and let us say whatever we want online. We won't be
banned anymore. We can say whatever we want on Elon's Twitter X. We have freedom of speech. As he said, we have
freedom of speech but not freedom of reach. And that freedom of speech will be used to
surveil us further and ruin our lives if we are provoked into saying the wrong things. What kind of infrastructure do
you foresee uh in terms of I mean we've already seen the capitulation of
universities even the capitulation of mainstream media organizations such as CNN
uh how's how's what's the landscape going to look like how is it going to be
deformed it's going to look a lot like the McCarthy era and that is an in been a
major inspiration to the Right. Um, you know, we've seen right-wing
organizations like, um, what was it? Uh, CPAC, I think, was giving out like young
McCarthy awards back during the mid 2000s. Um, Steven Miller, I think, sees
McCarthy as sort of a hero. And so, what has the Trump
administration done? They have gotten Berkeley you UC Berkeley to furnish a na
a list of 160 anti-Israel anti-Semitic professors with
professor Judith Butler at the top of it. That's what we're seeing along with the
defunding of universities for allowing students for justice in Palestine to
exist for allowing protests on their campus. It's a the biggest free speech crackdown
possibly since the McCarthy era, certainly the most transparent one. And it's being conducted in many cases on
behalf of a foreign apartheid state. There's now a lot of um grassroots calls
I see online for a Charlie Kirk act. Remember, this is something the right always does is they name an act after a
martyr of their um culture comp, their culture war. They had the Lake and Riley
Act, a woman who was murdered by a Venezuelan migrant. And the Lake and
Riley act basus
of a crime and the requires law enforcement to jail them and sequester
them from society without any due process, which is unconstitutional. The Charlie Kirk Act that's being pushed
online is an attack on media independence and will do a a lot of what
the Biden administration was doing to online media, which is to censor and
punish any media organization or individual who's accused of mis or
disinformation. I don't. And so the right is basically picking up where the Biden
administration left off, just directing it against their enemies. I don't think that will um be the form that such an
act takes, but I expect some kind of Charlie Kirk act to take place. I expect
the uh investigation that the FBI is carrying out to be incomplete, just as
the investigation of the um um the young man who shot Donald Trump um what was
his name? Matthew. Um,
the Butler shooting, the Butler, PA shooting. Uh, we we it feels like that was shut
down. Ryan Ralph, the shooter who was the wouldbe shooter at Mara Lago, who was recruiting for the Ukrainian Foreign
Legion in Kiev and who had had meetings on Capitol Hill. We don't hear about that anymore. So I expect them to try to
sort of bury any uncomfortable or inconvenient facts there. And then
finally, I think there will be a push to label Antifa as a terrorist
organization. The same way that the British state and British intelligence
have labeled Palestine Action, an anti-war group that has never harmed a single person, which was carrying out
direct action against Israeli defense facilities, has been prescribed as a terrorist organization in the UK, which
means that you are not allowed in the UK to declare your support on a t-shirt for
Palestine Action without being jailed for supporting terrorism. And the
difference there though is that Palestine Action is a real organization.
It it was sort of an amorphous organization, but it had a brand. Antifa is not. And we don't even know what
Antifa is. And Antifa is something that, as you wrote in a piece that I think
really stands the test of time about black block, an aspect of Antifa back during Occupy Wall Street, is easily and
constantly and comprehensively infiltrated by federal law enforcement.
It's basically one of they're basically a chaos agent for federal law
enforcement, but they're not a real organization. You can't determine who's a member of it.
except through um what bullet engravings or t-shirts.
And so it allows if if Antifa is prescribed as a terrorist organization in the US, it pretty much allows anyone
on the left who gets involved in direct action or protest activity to be labeled as a terrorist as well.
I just want to throw in Ellen Shreker who did all the great work on uh McCarthyism, no ivory tower, her books
and etc. So she says this period is worse than McCarthy because there you
saw blacklists and people uh being pushed out of schools and universities. The FBI actually used to show up at high
schools with lists. Uh but she said here they're capturing institutions.
That's right. I mean they it's a it is a march through institutions
as and and they're also just simply eliminating institutions as well that can't be captured.
All right, thanks. That was Max Blumenthal. Uh, check out his great work
on the Greyzone. Uh, and thanks to Sophia, Diego, Thomas, and Max who
produce the show. You can find me at chris edges.substack.com.
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