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A Jeffrey Epstein Money Probe Stayed Hidden for 17 Years. We Found It.
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Nov 6, 2025 #Law #Investigation #Podcast

How did Jeffrey Epstein make his money? How did he spend it? In exclusive reporting (https://www.bloomberg.com/features/20..., Jason Leopold reveals that federal prosecutors followed Epstein’s money trail almost two decades ago – in an 18-month money laundering inquiry whose existence has remained hidden until now. In this episode, Leopold and co-host Matt Topic dive into Epstein’s old emails, which capture his fury at the probe and his efforts to discredit the investigation and investigators. And they show which “Epstein Files” documents may hold the keys to the Epstein money mystery.

How did Russian pranksters trick a top government official? What happens to documents flushed down White House toilets? The answers exist. The trick is getting the government to disclose them.

By law, nearly every move federal agencies make—every email, every memo, every receipt—belongs to the public. The key to gaining access is the Freedom of Information Act. It’s the tool that forces the government to open its files…though rarely without a fight.

From Bloomberg & No Smiling, Disclosure is a podcast about cracking open those secrets. Join FOIA reporter Jason Leopold and First Amendment attorney Matt Topic for a guided tour of explosive details, bureaucratic foibles and details that powerful people never wanted you to know. Disclosure premieres Oct. 28 on all podcast platforms.

Bloomberg investigative reporter Jason Leopold and First Amendment attorney Matt Topic trade tales from the FOIA trenches, revealing how the US government really works.



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So, Matt, I've been up since 3:00 a.m. waiting for this story to drop. It better be a big one.
It's huge. Huge. This week, we've got a special episode of Disclosure. Let's go.
Let's go. Let's go. I'm investigative journalist Jason Leopold. I spend most of my days getting documents from the
government. I'm attorney Matt Topic and I fight them in court to open their files when they don't want to. From Bloomberg and No
Smiling. This is Disclosure, a podcast about buying loose government secrets.
The Freedom of Information Act and the unexpected places that takes us.
Cool shirt, Jason. Horror business by the Misfits. This is my annual Halloween shirt. We're
recording this on Friday, October 31st. My favorite day of the year. Halloween.
I swear this is a coincidence. I have on my annual Halloween original misfits hoodie uh that I bring out every
Halloween as I'm giving out candy to the local kids with a soundtrack of like Slayer and Dside and you know a bunch of
like thrash and Oh man, you threw in Dasside. So where you been? You've been quiet this week.
Well Matt, I've been working on a story. A Jeffrey Epstein story by the looks of it. Yes, Matt, that is correct. There's a
breakthrough in the Jeffrey Epstein case. Today Bloomberg is reporting this revelation. The scope of the
investigation to Epstein may have been actually much larger than we previously knew. Congressman Robert Garcia, the
ranking member on House oversight, shared his alarm and this is a huge problem. I mean, part of the investigation is incredibly
troubling. You know, Jeffrey Epstein has been in the news a lot this year. Epstein, of course, is the wealthy and connected
financeier who is convicted of sex trafficking minors before his death and detention in 2019. So, the news cranked
up in the past year again when Donald Trump on the campaign trail said that if he were elected, he'd put out the full
files that the government has on Epstein. However, in July, the Trump
administration backtracked, saying that no further disclosure would be appropriate or warranted. Uh-oh. How did
that go over? Well, it's left a lot of unanswered questions about Epstein that go back almost 20 years to the first
Epstein investigation we know about. That was the federal probe into allegations that he solicited sex with
minors. A lot of the Epstein controversy dates back to that investigation and the
deal that federal prosecutors struck. That deal led Epstein to plead guilty to lesser state charges in Florida and
effectively shielded co-conspirators from prosecution. and it left his accusers in the dark about the deal the
feds were striking. The outcome has been widely derided as far too lenient and it
let Epstein return pretty quickly to a social circles that also included a lot
of well-known wealthy people like say Prince Andrew. Well Matt, it's just Andrew now.
Prince Andrew will no longer be a prince. Something that has not happened in more than a century. King Charles
stripping his brother of all his titles over his ties to the late convicted sex predator Jeffrey Epstein.
Okay. So, there's a lot out about Epstein. And yet, you found something pretty big.
Oh, yeah. I definitely found something pretty big, Matt. I found out about a whole other line of federal
investigation to Epstein that hasn't been reported ever. Not allegations about sex trafficking or sex with
minors, but something else entirely. Money laundering. Wait, what? Let me tell you, Matt, this
really does change a lot about how we look at the whole Epstein affair. There's still big questions about his
money. How a college dropout turned financial adviser built his fortune in the first place. And since he was found
dead in his cell in 2019, those questions have only grown. This summer, Senator Ron Widen, he's the top Democrat
on the Senate Finance Committee, stoked that fire. Now, somewhere in the Treasury Department, Mr. president. Locked away
in a cabinet drawer is a big Epstein file. Widen said his panel reviewed records
compiled by the Treasury's Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, also known as Fininsen, and those records revealed
that major banks processed more than 1.5 billion in suspicious transactions.
That's billion with a B. Yeah. 1.5 billion that Epstein allegedly used to traffic women or in suspicious
transactions that looked a lot like money laundering. 4,725
wire transfers flowing in and out of just one of Mr. Epstein's bank accounts.
That is more than 4,000 potential lines of investigation. So, my new story,
Matt, shows that almost 20 years ago, federal prosecutors were going down a similar path, following Epstein's money
until they just stopped. H Okay, tell me, where does this start?
All right, so I've been learning quite a bit about Jeffrey Epstein these past few months because I've been going through a
trove of emails, 18,000 emails from Epstein's private Yahoo
email account obtained by Bloomberg. And these emails show Epstein in his own
words. They've never been released before. They detail a methodical and
callous approach he took to recruiting young women, his close partnership with Gain Maxwell, and the support he
received from an array of high-powered associates, attorneys, academics, bankers.
So, when is he writing all these emails? These emails from Epstein's inbox span a
20-year time frame. Wow. But the message traffic was most active between like
2005 and 2008, which is critical because that happens to be a pivotal period for
Epstein. That was the period when he came under scrutiny by Florida officials. And it's when the Palm Beach
Police Department opened a criminal investigation into a local man that
teenage girls refer to simply as Jeff. So this first investigation into
allegations relating to sex with minors started locally, but then about a year later in 2006, in came federal
prosecutors from the Southern District of Florida. So how do you know what the feds were
looking into? Do you have documents from their investigation? For the most part, no, I don't. What I
have, though, are Epstein's emails. So, I'm not seeing the investigation itself, just how Epstein and his lawyers reacted
and shaped their legal strategy. From the start, he cast this whole thing as an unfair probe into him, despite that
it focused on his involvement with underage girls, which by then investigators had known about for years.
So, did you get these records through FOIA? No, Matt, I have other ways of getting records.
Could you foyer the DOJ and ask for the prosecutor's records? Yeah, you could. And in fact, a lot of
people have foyed, DOJ, FBI, and even some other agencies for Epstein's
records, which are the records that make up the Epstein files. And in fact, way
back in 2017, Radar Magazine had filed a foyer request with the FBI for Jeffrey
Epstein related records, and they got about a thousand pages released, but it took them suing the FBI to get those
records, and the bureau withheld thousands of other pages. That lawsuit
is still pending. It's still happening right now. And so it's happening alongside the pressure that's coming on
the Trump administration to release the Epstein file. So there is active foil
litigation. There's still a bunch of foyer requests that have been filed for Epstein records.
So we may be learning more through some government records later on possibly. Okay. So where does the
moneyaundering investigation come in? Okay. So, documents in Epstein's inbox show that in November of 2006,
prosecutors issued a subpoena for Epstein's personal income tax returns for the previous two years. Then, in
February 2007, a moneyaundering probe was opened. And around the same time,
prosecutors focused on a pattern of transactions in which Epstein directed some of his employees to withdraw large
amounts of cash to disperse to women around the world he exploited. And that was the basis for a potential charge of
operating an unlicensed money transmitting business. So these emails show Matt that the lead federal
prosecutor on this case requested that a grand jury issue subpoenas for every
financial transaction conducted by Epstein and his six businesses dating to 2003. And I also reported that
prosecutors sent subpoenas to some major banks. And so according to the emails, when Jeffrey Epstein learned that the
investigation had been broadened into financial crimes, how did he take that? Oh, he was furious. In part because the
prosecutor contacted one of his longtime wealth management clients, Les Wexner.
Les Wexner is the billionaire businessman behind Victoria's Secret and
Bath and Body Works. And Epstein's emails show that not long
after the prosecutor's conversation with Wexner, Wexner then took steps to end
Epstein's role as his wealth manager. I'm guessing that didn't go over too
well with Epstein. So what did he do? Epstein pulled in some high-powered lawyers, including Harvard law professor
Alan Dersowitz and former independent counsel Ken Star. And the lawyers launched an aggressive campaign to
discredit the federal prosecutor's attempts to follow the money and pressure higherups to remove the
prosecutor and others from the case or scuttle it entirely.
Dersowitz told Bloomberg that he does not recall any involvement in the
discussions related to allegations of moneyaundering and Ken Starr died in uh
2022. Now, that's interesting, Jason, because listeners on this pod are going to hear a lot about the fact that when
famous people die, you can foyer the FBI and see what files there are, which you
normally can't get while they're alive cuz it's considered an invasion of privacy, but once they've died, you can get records,
which you know very well is my knee-jerk reaction whenever someone prominent dies.
I usually find out about famous people dying when I get a text from Jason about his foyer request before I've even seen
it in the news. So, I took a look on the FBI vault. That's where they post records that are frequently requested if
they've been requested multiple times. And sure enough, there are hundreds of Kenstar pages. All right, let's get back
to the story here. So, who is the federal prosecutor that's issuing these subpoenas and talking to Epstein's
client? So, the lead prosecutor here was an assistant US attorney for the Southern District of Florida. Her name is Marie
Villa. She left that office in 2023 and she declined to comment on the story,
but we already know some things about her broader prosecution. By May 2007,
she had drafted a 53-page indictment and an 82page prosecution memo. And we know
from a Justice Department report that came out in 2020 that Villaa urged her
superiors to move swiftly because she believed that Epstein was continuing to
sexually abuse girls. But the report says that Villaa was stonewalled by senior officials at the office who saw
her as too aggressive. Interesting. So that Justice Department report from
2020, does that mention that the Florida prosecutor was looking into financial crimes?
No, there's not a single mention in that report about financial crimes, but we
know it from Epstein's inbox. And I also talked to a former law enforcement official who was familiar with the case.
And that person said the evidence Villa collected was serious enough that she
wrote in the prosecution memo that Epstein should be charged with money laundering and operating an unlicensed
money transmitting business. And this person also said that the probe lasted
18 months and turned up at least tens of millions of dollars in questionable
financial transactions. And Matt, what is really important here is that these
details have never been disclosed. So everything that we know about the
Epstein investigation that took place in 2006 through 2008 for the most part
center on the sex crimes. There's never been any disclosure around financial
crimes. Yeah, this is really good stuff. So that's what we know about the indictment. It's just a draft
indictment, Jason. Right. Yeah. The indictment has never been publicly released. It was never filed
with the court along with that 82page prosecution memo. And to this day, it remains shrouded in secrecy.
So, he was never indicted for the things that the lengthy memo and draft indictment were contemplating.
No, never. Let's jump to July 2007. She and another prosecutor are then directed
to enter into the negotiations with Epstein and his legal team on a
nonprosecution agreement. So she works up the materials towards an
indictment, but her superiors decide, "We're not going to do that. Let's go negotiate a deal instead."
Well, that's the implication. So, the Justice Department report that was released in 2020 that basically examined
the integrity of the nonprosecution agreement as well as our emails show
that prosecutors wanted Epstein to plead guilty to sex crimes with a minor, register as a sex offender, pay damages
to an undisclosed list of victims, and spend 2 years in prison. But Epstein's lawyers rejected that, and a month in,
these negotiations stalled. So, what happens after that? Well, then on August 16th, 2007, Villa requested
that a grand jury issue subpoenas for Epstein's financial records dating back to 2003. And on the same day, she also
sent a letter informing Epstein's defense attorneys that she would continue investigating his finances as
long as the nonprosecution agreement remained unsigned. And in the emails, you can see Epste and his lawyers are
grappling with this. So, they prepare a 22-page document titled Enri Grand Jury
investigation of Jeffrey Ebstein. Hey, it's Enray. Um, I like to say Enri. Do you really? Um, because I have no idea. Uh, yeah. I
mean, that's what I usually say. Enray. That's legal speak for with regard to grand jury investigation of Jeffrey
Epstein. And you can see from the track changes that there were a lot of edits here from J E. And those are Epstein's
initials. And there's a line in it from Villaa that says, quote, in other words,
if the sex offense case is resolved, the office would close its investigation to other areas as well. The matter has not
been and it does not appear that it will be resolved. So, the money laundering investigation continues and request
number six, seeking records of every financial transaction conducted by Epstein and his six businesses from
January 1st, 2003 to the present, will not be withdrawn. So, the prosecutor is basically saying,
"Plead to the sex offense charges or we're continuing on with the moneyaundering investigation." Well, it's hard to say for sure, but he
signs the nonprosecution agreement on September 24th, 2007. one day before
Vilifia says she was prepared to indict him and he would ultimately agree to plead guilty to two sex charges, state
level charges, not federal charges. And that's what led to all these criticisms that the deal was way too
easy on him. In part, yes. And the fact that it later came out, the women who had accused
Epste didn't know the feds were making this deal. So Epste agrees to the deal, the
moneyaundering investigation goes away, and that's that. Not exactly. I'll tell
you what happens after the break. [Music]
So, it's September 2007. Epstein has just agreed to admit sex charges as part
of this nonprosecution agreement. But according to the Epstein emails we obtained, the federal investigation and
the moneyaundering probe didn't end there. The prosecutor, Marie Vana, she
kept both the sex crimes and financial crimes investigations open as she began
working with Epstein's attorneys to reach an agreement on certain terms of the plea deal. And Epstein was insensed.
He and his attorneys immediately took steps to back out of the agreement he'd signed. And on October 15th, 2007,
Epstein sends himself an email and attached a word document he wrote titled, "Did you know that?" I see some
of that in the story. So, what does it say? Okay, so this document contains 29
complaints about the federal investigation. It portrays his victims as unreliable witnesses and drug abusers
vying for his money, and it casts the investigators and prosecutors as biased,
inept, and unethical. and he says he was unfairly targeted by the financial investigation. Here are a few bullet
points. Ooh. Point 20. She begins a moneyaundering investigation without the
necessary requirement of specified illegal funds. Point 21. She says she is
contemplating charging a violation of a money transmitting statute, though Epstein has no such business.
So, he's lashing out. His email is becoming pretty frantic. You could see Epstein venting about the prosecution in another email he wrote in
November 2007 to Jimmy Kaine, the former chief executive officer of Bear Sterns
and another friend. Matt, read the subject. Subject line. This is how crazy. Jason,
what does Epstein write? Okay, so this is a lengthy email and he starts off
this email, Matt, by writing, "My team consists of professionals with over 250
years of criminal experience." Wait, wait, criminal experience or
criminal justice experience? No. No. 250
years of criminal experience. Look, my guys know about crime, and what they're
telling me is this isn't a crime. One thing you need to know about Epstein's emails is they contain so many
typos and grammatical errors, misspelled words, and we just published it as he
wrote it. So, yeah. But yes, 250 years of criminal experience. I'm going to
jump in here too and and just note his email address is littlest [email protected].
That's how it reads. That's how it reads. Littlest Jeff, but it's actually
Little St. Jeff, which is the name of the island he bought. Oh, it looks like Littlest Jeff, but
it's Little St. Jeff. Yeah. So the email goes on to say, "In an abundance of care, we have also
consulted with outside experts and former Justice Department officials. The
clear and unanimous consensus is they find the conduct outrageous. And
frankly, not one of them has been able to recall seeing anything like this before. And among the outrageous
behavior he accuses the feds of is demanding that he register as a sex offender and pay his quote alleged
victims a minimum of $150,000 each. In his letter to Kain, he accuses
the federal government of engaging in quote virtual extortion.
I got to say, I mean, this guy's facing some pretty serious stuff. And I think he's worth a lot of money at this point.
And he's quibbling over the amount of money to be paid to the victims. Yeah, he is questioning whether they are
actually victims. That's what is laid bare in these emails during the course
of the government's investigation and prosecution. And this particular email goes on to say, quote, they demanded a
jail sentence for someone who had no criminal history, no violence, drugs, no
position of authority. Then when they were confronted with an extensive brief as to why these statutes did not apply,
they threatened to bring a money crime based on an illegal money transmitting
business, even though no such business ever actually existed. I got to say, as a lawyer, this guy
sounds like a nightmare of a client. So anyway, now you have an email a week later. What's that about? Epstein is
sending himself an email with a file he's intending for his attorneys to send to the top federal prosecutor in
southern Florida, Alex Aosta. The documents called Aosta challenge. It
criticizes prosecutor Villa who's leading the investigation, especially her focus on his alleged financial
crimes. And he also faults the department for ignoring its own policy of so-called horizontal equity, which is
supposed to ensure a level playing field in prosecutions. He's saying they're prejudiced against
rich people. That's his argument. They're prejudiced against rich people. So tell me more about what that letter says.
Okay, here's part of it. The policy clearly implies that a man of wealth should be treated no differently than
any of those less fortunate. That has certainly not happened here, though many cases of a similar and even more serious
nature have been resolved with a sentence of house arrest. We were told that it was not available to my client
because it would be considered mansion arrest. My client under investigation
for a sex offense has been asked for his income tax returns, all bank accounts,
his medical records threatened with a moneyaundering charge. Though the minimum prerequisite of a specified
unlawful activity could not be described. Okay. So Epstein's high-powered lawyers
are engaging with US attorney Alex Aosta. That's the Alex Aosta.
Yes, the Alex Aosta, Matt, the US labor secretary in Donald Trump's first
administration. And years before he got that job, he was a US attorney for the Southern District of Florida who oversaw
the Epstein prosecution and the deal he worked out. That deal finally came together in June of 2008, 9 months after
Epstein signed his nonprosecution agreement and after relentless letters from Epstein's lawyers. In its final
form, the agreement allowed him to escape federal charges, serve a reduced jail sentence, and shield his
co-conspirators from prosecution. Alex Aosta signed off on the plea deal. So, what does this mean for Aosta now?
Well, Matt, I'm glad you asked. Last month, Aosta met with the House Committee on Oversight and Government
Reform. And during that interview, Representative Melanie Stanbury, she's a
New Mexico Democrat on the committee, asked Aosta whether his office had discussed potential financial crimes and
whether that factored into the decision not to pursue federal charges. So what did he say? What was his answer?
Well, according to the transcript of his interview that committee released this month, Acasta answered, quote, I don't
recall a financial aspect. And then he went on to say, "To my recollection, the discussion was focused on the sex
crimes." And so what do the emails that you obtained add to that?
Well, the emails and documents from Epstein's Yahoo account show that prosecutors in Aosta's office discussed
the financial crimes component of the investigation with Acasta and copied him on correspondence about it. I spoke with
Senator Ron Widen's office for my story and in a statement he said the new details quote only raise additional
questions about Aosta's truthfulness and then Widen also said that the best case
scenario according to his story that's Aosta's story is that it was by incompetence rather than by choice that
he allowed Epstein to go on trafficking women and girls for another decade. Wow. So what has Aosta said? So Aosta's
attorney told Bloomberg that he stands by his testimony. He said that back in
2006, the Southern District of Florida employed over 200 attorneys working on
countless investigations. And although Aosta approved of the Epstein matter, he
did not direct that or any investigation. That's what his attorney said. So this whole financial crimes
investigation of Epstein that happened almost 20 years ago, but it managed to
stay pretty quiet. This has never been out there. Well, there was a hint of it. Remember in the emails that I read, the
lead prosecutor in the case, Marie Vela, she was on the receiving end of a lot of
attacks from Epstein's attorneys. And at one point, she responded in a five-page letter to one of the lawyers. She
writes, quote, "The time has come for me to respond to the everinccreasing
attacks on my role in the investigation and negotiations."
And that letter made its way into a court filing in a 2016 lawsuit filed by
Epstein's victims. So, the letter was public, but no one ever picked up on it.
And at the bottom of one of the pages, Vilifa included a footnote and she calls
out the Epstein lawyer for quote unfounded allegations in your letter
about document demands the money laundering investigation,
contacting potential witnesses, speaking with the press, and the like. So she mentions a moneyaundering
investigation. Yeah, there was a mention, one breadcrumb, easy to miss. But now we
have way more. So when I see this Jason, I mean I'm
thinking there's got to be all kinds of foyas to be asking, right? So there are a ton of foyas that could
be filed for this material. And you know, as I said earlier, Matt, this
these records presumably make up what's in the Epstein files. So the letters
that were sent to the government by Epstein's attorneys could be requested through the FOYA, but the Justice
Department, the FBI has already said that they are not releasing any more
records from the so-called Epstein files. What could the public request
through FOYA from say the Department of Justice or FBI? Well, I mean, prosecutor
records, FBI records, these things are all what are called agency records under FOYA. And so, they're subject to
disclosure um unless an exemption applies. And when you get into criminal kinds of records and law enforcement
records, there's a lot of things that can be withheld. Names of people who are
alive, whether they're a witness or a suspect or just incidentally mentioned,
it's often hard to get those. I mean, you can sometimes overcome that with sufficient public interest, and I think
there is an awful lot of public interest and legitimate public interest in getting to the bottom of the Epstein
prosecution and how all this stuff was handled. You know, you can have withholdings based on ongoing
investigations, but at this point, Epstein has died. They're not going to charge him with anything further. You
know, I suppose there could be others who maybe there's still some active investigations, but I haven't heard of
that. And that seems kind of unlikely. And you have like investigative techniques and and things like that that
you know they could say well we were using these secret techniques and if we disclose them then it would be harmful
to other investigations. So I think that in general there should be things that the public could know under FOYA around
this especially given the high public interest in disclosure. Yeah. And none of this would be controversial for the government to
process. I mean, for example, if I wanted to gain access to the various
letters that went to, say, the US attorney's office in the Southern District of Florida and correspondence
around that, would that be withheld under attorney client privilege, uh, deliberative process, or could could I
get that? Could we get that? Well, yeah. If you're talking you're talking about the exchange of letters
between the prosecutors and Epstein's lawyers. Yeah. Yeah. No, definitely not
privileged. I mean, it's the opposite of privilege. You're disclosing it to your adversary. So, that's not privilege.
It's not going to be deliberative process because they're not like deliberating together. They're adverse
to each other, right? So, now the the government's internal discussions about how to respond to a letter from Epstein.
Then you're going to run into some exemptions around attorney work product and potentially attorney client
privilege and deliberative process and stuff like that. But all that back and forth, that's not going to be
privileged. There could be some privacy redactions or some other things like that, but um that's that's the opposite
of privileged. Yeah, that raises the question as to why the Justice Department and the FBI made
the final decision in July that they would not release any additional files
from the Epstein investigation. files like we were just discussing like the various correspondence that took place
between the prosecutors and Epstein's lawyers. I mean, some of that has been disclosed in civil litigation as
exhibits, but based on what I've seen in Epstein's emails and what I've reported
through this story, it's really clear that there are a lot of records that the
Justice Department and FBI have that could appease many of those who are
clamoring for some more info from the so-called Epstein files. Yeah. I mean, this is the maddening
thing that I've seen and you've seen over and over again. Both political parties, all levels of government running on a campaign saying, "We're
going to be transparent, and when the time comes, yeah, no, we're not going to be so transparent after all." So, Jason,
what's the takeaway? When I talked to Ron Widen, he said moneyaundering charges would have been a centerpiece in what he called any
serious prosecution of Epstein. He said resolving the federal moneyaundering case as part of the government's
nonprosecution agreement was a staggering miscarriage of justice. And another expert I spoke with, a former
top moneyaundering prosecutor, said if the money laundering investigation had
continued, it's possible that prosecutors may have been able to identify other individuals and
institutions that facilitated Epstein's sex trafficking operation or recovered
more restitution for his victims. And beyond that, it's a reminder that there's just more to the Epstein story.
And you can see how the prosecutor's files could shed some light on one of the central mysteries of Epstein, the
source of his money. If prosecutors were following the money long before the public demand a full accounting of his
case, what other evidence might they have gathered? And that presumably is still in the
files. So that's it for this week. Since this
is a special episode, we won't have a public episode next week, but subscribers will be able to access our
next episode then, and you won't want to miss it. Here's why. We should estimate how many presidential
records would fit inside the toilet. There were these big sink holes both at the White House and on Mara Lago's lawn.
Matt, sink holes. Sink holes. There is a chance that some intrepid spelunkers could find these
documents in the sewage system. Heather, I want to go on a sewer tour. You really want to go on a sewer tour?
This feels like, I don't know, a Nicholas Cage movie. That's next Tuesday. Early access for subscribers.
From Bloomberg and No Smiling. This is Disclosure. The show is hosted by Matt Topic and me, Jason Leupold. It's
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Charlie Kirk’s Sister LEAKS His Shocking Texts About Erika.. (He Found Out Too Late!)
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Charlie Kirk’s sister has just leaked shocking texts about Erika—and fans are absolutely stunned by what they reveal. The messages suggest Charlie may have found out the truth too late, and the emotional fallout is sparking massive debate online.

In this video, we break down the leaked texts, what they say about Charlie and Erika’s relationship, and how this revelation is changing everything people thought they knew. From heartbreak to betrayal, the messages paint a picture that’s both tragic and deeply personal.

Fans are torn—some heartbroken for Charlie after seeing what he went through, while others believe these leaks are too private to share. Either way, the texts have reignited the entire conversation around Erika’s role and Charlie’s final days.

Stay tuned as we unpack every chilling message, the reactions flooding social media, and how Charlie’s sister’s decision to speak out has shaken this story to its core.



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happened to be there in Israel, too.
And so, I was on a pilgrimage with my
mom in Israel, and I turned around and I
saw someone who looked super familiar.
Let everyone see what true evil is. This
is something that could impact a
generation and generations to come.
Social media is going crazy right now.
People are saying Erica's perfect image
is finally starting to crumble. And this
time, it's not just random gossip. It's
Charlie Kirk's own sister who's shaking
things up. She allegedly leaked private
text messages that, according to her,
should have never been made public.
These messages have flipped the entire
story of Charlie and Erica's so-called
fairy tale marriage upside down. From
what's being said, Charlie might have
never really known the woman he married.
He used to talk like their love story
was written in the stars. So, but now
some people are whispering it might have
been scripted by someone else. Rumors
are swirling that Erica wasn't there
just to fall in love, but to build a
brand, attract powerful sponsors, and
control the whole Turning Point USA
narrative like a puppet master. And it
doesn't stop there. The honey trap
theory about Erica is spreading like
wildfire. Some even claim she had ties
to highle international figures. The
kind of people who don't just donate
money, but pull strings behind the
scenes. There's talk that these same
connections were putting pressure on
Charlie in the months leading up to that
tragic day. The scariest part, what's
still hidden might be worse than what we
already know. It's starting to look like
the Erica Kirk rabbit hole goes way
deeper than anyone thought. Could it
really be true that her job, her first
meeting with Charlie, even their
marriage were all carefully planned
steps? Because in Erica's own words,
nothing is a coincidence. And now those
leaked texts supposedly from a private
family chat.
Every time Erica got involved in a
Turning Point event, something felt off.
People got pulled from their posts for
no clear reason, replaced with names
nobody recognized. They weren't loud
about it. They just appeared. They'd
hover, take notes, make little
adjustments.
Have everyone losing their minds. In one
heartbreaking message, Charlie tells his
sister, "I don't even feel like I know
her anymore." That line hits hard. It
sounds like a man realizing too late
that his world and maybe his entire
marriage was built on a lie. Charlie
even complained that Erica had changed
completely in the last year, acting like
she was the real power at Turning Point
USA, making big moves without ever
asking him first. A whistleblower from
inside Turning Point USA just dropped a
bombshell. They claim Erica's behavior
in those final months wasn't just off,
it was strategic. According to them, it
was like she was rehearsing for a brand
new role, one that would replace Charlie
himself. Every time she showed up at an
event, something about the energy
shifted, the vibe changed. The crowd
looked different. Even the social media
posts started getting edited, captions
rewritten, photos cropped, or like
someone was rewriting history in real
time. Then something even stranger
happened. A few regulars who always
attended Turning Point events suddenly
vanished from the guest list. In their
place appeared a handful of new faces.
People no one recognized. They didn't
mingle. They didn't network. They just
watched. Always there taking quiet
notes, whispering to Erica's assistance,
and tweaking the smallest details of
each event.
It wasn't like they were running things
outright. More like they were watching,
testing reactions. And they did strange
things. Subtle stuff. Asking for
background checks on volunteers who'd
already cleared. Rooting internal comms
through temporary systems nobody could
verify. Requesting access to attendee
lists that had nothing to do with their
role. What most people don't realize is
that Erica had already started acting
like CEO before Charlie even died. She
was giving orders, making executive
calls, speaking for the organization in
ways that made all of us uncomfortable.
It gave everyone this eerie feeling that
the organization wasn't being run
anymore. It was being monitored. One
former employee said it felt like the
walls themselves were listening. They
said nothing happened abruptly. Erica
and her crew moved slow, like they were
testing the limits, studying reactions
before making their next move.
Everything was done carefully,
methodically, like a long-term plan
unfolding right under everyone's noses.
And if these leaked texts are real, we
might have only seen the beginning of
that plan. The whistleblower story adds
a whole new cloud of mystery around
Charlie and Erica's marriage, and it's
shaking the conservative influencer
world to its core. According to what's
now circulating online, Charlie was
under massive pressure from some of
Turning Point's biggest donors, people
who allegedly wanted total control. They
supposedly pushed him to back down from
his goal of bringing transparency and
accountability to the organization. But
here's the twist. While Charlie was
trying to do the right thing, his own
wife, Erica, was reportedly stepping up
behind the scenes, making executive
calls, directing staff, and slowly
pushing him out of the empire he built
with his own hands. That's when things
started getting dark. According to
multiple insiders, the deeper you dig,
the more it looks like this entire
relationship wasn't just romance. It
might have been recruitment. Some now
believe Erica wasn't simply Charlie's
wife, but a planted figure.
The way you are treating me is so
repulsive. I have text messages, Megan,
calling me an anti-semite. My moral
character is now being put into
question, Megan. Not my decisions,
not like, "Hey, are you doing this? Is
it smart or is it dumb?" But no, I am a
bad person if I do this.
A calculated player in a much bigger
game. People inside Turning Point
started whispering that she might have
been reporting to outside forces, the
same ones funding and quietly steering
the organization from the shadows. But
here's the question that's driving
everyone crazy. Where's the proof? To
find answers, you've got to go back to
where it all began. That first innocent
dinner in New York City. The official
story says Charlie and Erica met in 2018
at Bill'sburgers during what was
supposed to be a casual business
meeting. Sounds simple, right? Except
when you look closer, the details don't
quite add up. Erica once said, "I was
invited to Bill's Burgers and thought it
was just a business interview. We sat
down and he grilled me for three hours.
On paper, that sounds normal until you
realize something shocking. At that
time, Erica didn't have any background
in politics, communication, or
leadership. So, who invited her to meet
one of the most high-profile
conservative figures in America? Who
arranged that dinner? And why would
someone with no visible connections be
granted such exclusive access to Charlie
Kirk, a man surrounded by handlers, PR
staff, and political gatekeepers? That's
where the theories started piling up.
Does anyone else think this is Erica
Kirk putting in fake tears into her
eyes?
Some believe that meeting was no random
coincidence. It was the first move in a
long-term plan. Step one, earn Charlie's
trust. Step two, infiltrate his inner
circle. Step three, take control. When
you line up the timeline, the mysterious
New York dinner, the quiet structural
changes at Turning Point USA, and
Erica's sudden rise to power after the
tragedy, the pattern looks less like
chance and more like a carefully
scripted operation. As one former
insider put it, Charlie always believed
in destiny. Maybe this time, Destiny was
written by someone else. It all began
with what looked like a simple dinner
between two strangers. But now that the
puzzle pieces are surfacing, that chance
meeting doesn't look random at all. Fans
are realizing that what appeared to be a
love story might have been an assignment
all along. And it gets even wilder. In
another interview, Erica mentioned
something that in hindsight feels almost
too perfect to be coincidence. She
claimed that before that New York
dinner, she had already seen Charlie at
the Tel Aviv airport while traveling
with her mother on a pilgrimage to
Israel. She said she didn't know who he
was, only that he looked familiar. But
just days after flying back to the US, a
mutual friend whose name has never been
revealed suddenly introduced them.
That's a level of coincidence that's
hard to swallow. So we get to Bill's
Burgers and I'm there thinking it's a
business interview.
Started that way,
right? So we sit down and you grill me
for what, 3 hours?
Yeah.
Easily on philosophy, politics,
culture,
religion, culture,
economics.
Economics. What else? Everything else
you can imagine. He grilled me. anything
he talks about on his podcast show, he
grilled me on pretty much
just didn't record.
And then afterwards, he got finished
with his burger and he just sat there
and he looked at me and he's like, "You
know what? I'm not going to hire you." I
was like, "That's fine. I don't need
this job. I doing plenty of other things
here in Manhattan." He's like, "I'm
going to date you." If the theory is
true that certain powerful donors behind
Turning Point USA wanted to control
Charlie by placing someone special in
his life, the next logical question
becomes why Erica? What made her the
perfect candidate for something this
sophisticated? That's when people
started digging into her family
background and what they found made a
lot of folks nervous. Allegedly, Erica's
parents had deep military and
intelligence ties, the kind that don't
just disappear with time. People close
to the Kirk family say it was Charlie's
sister, Mary, who first raised red
flags. She never trusted Erica, and
apparently her reasons went far beyond
jealousy or personality clashes. Mary
reportedly stumbled across strange
details buried in Erica's family
records, things the public had never
heard about. According to an older
interview, Erica once said her mother
moved to Arizona for a business
opportunity related to the Department of
Homeland Security. That might sound
harmless, but when you dig deeper, her
mother's business partner allegedly had
a background in private security and
once worked with DHS on a defense
related project. Soon after, the
family's network in Arizona began
expanding fast, suddenly connecting with
people tied to private defense
contractors in the Phoenix and Scottdale
area. That's the same circle that
handles classified contracts,
surveillance tech. she was getting
involved with uh the government, so
Homeland Security and Department of
Defense. And so she had other business
partners that were out here that were
already in that industry. Um even one
that was a mentor of hers. So it was it
was really convenient to be able to come
all together in one place to really have
that
and government logistics. No wonder
skeptics are convinced Erica's presence
in Charlie's life wasn't purely
emotional. It might have been strategic.
Now, looking back at everything, the
coincidental meetings, the mystery
connections, and the quiet rise of Erica
Kirk, it's hard not to wonder if this
story was ever really about love at all.
Back in 2018, Turning Point USA was
blowing up, and young Charlie Kirk was
the rising star pulling big media and
big money attention. Outside the grip of
the old guard, or so it seemed, if
anyone wanted to keep him aligned, the
easiest play wasn't a fight. It was a
friendly approach. Enter Erica. smart,
polished, confident, and presented like
someone with serious national security
savvy. The full package on paper. As one
media analyst put it, "If you want to
influence a figure like Charlie, you
don't send a loud disruptor. You send
someone he'll trust. Someone who eases
his guard down without him noticing."
And that's what insiders say began to
happen fast. In under two years, Erica
supposedly moved from outsider to center
stage at TPUSA, popping up at internal
events in promo videos and step by step
getting access to higher level rooms
where real decisions get made to the
public. It looked
intervene and she'd just talk over him
like he didn't even matter anymore. And
then just days after he died, they
announced her as the new CEO, like she
was some kind of savior stepping in
during a tragedy. That didn't sit right
with anyone who'd been there.
Like a supportive partner standing by
her husband. But to staffers, it felt
like a slow, careful shift in who
actually carried weight. A former
staffer said the entire mood flipped
when Erica walked in. Eyes shifted,
people paused, and folks waited for her
take before they looked to Charlie's.
When one person can tilt a room like
that, you know something deeper is
moving, even if nobody says it out loud.
Looking back, some say the spark wasn't
New York. It was that quick moment in
Israel. A glance that allegedly kicked
off a chain of events reshaping a whole
movement's future. Some call it destiny.
Others say it looked planned with near
military precision. The timing, the
access, the optics, the outcomes. As
more puzzle pieces are rumored to
surface, from family ties to security
circles to the rapid rise inside TPUSA's
structure to the moment Erica stepped
into power after the tragedy, one
question keeps echoing. Was this a love
story or a professional operation
dressed up as romance? Because if those
circulating theories are even partly
accurate, then the destiny Charlie
believed in might have been a script
written line by line, move by move, long
before he realized what role he was
playing. That's the fear fans keep
repeating. And
our goal with the Romanian Angels
project was to show these children the
true American heart during the holiday
season.
And what better way to do that than
having our United States military
personally deliver the gift.
Why these claims won't fade from the
timeline, Erica's public story about her
family always sounded simple. A strong
self-made mom and a dad, Kent, not
really involved in her work or career.
But as people re-examined old documents
and corporate filings, that image
stopped matching what the paperwork
appeared to show. According to those
sharing the records, those records point
to Erica's mother, Lorie, as founder of
Aztec International, a firm in
technology, defense, and strategic
security with work tied to data
surveillance systems and digital warfare
support gear, lanes usually reserved for
players with serious clearances and deep
trust. That's not small-time
contracting. That's specialized
territory with gatekeepers and
oversight. And the executive listings
matter here, too, because Erica's
father, Kent, is listed as director of
program research at a Tech, which isn't
just a lab title. It's hands-on with
implementation inside defenseoriented
projects. According to those same
records, in other words, rather than
being separate like the public story
implied, it looks like both parents were
aligned in the same business lane,
coordinating on government and security
adjacent activities. To critics, that
paints a very different backdrop. I
don't trust her.
I think she was set up to like be his
wife,
right?
And then, hey, if he turns turn coats,
you're uh you're up because if you look
at her like
cuz she's taken over turning point,
right?
In within two weeks, you have a grieving
wife and she's on a podcast right away,
right? Not proof of anything by itself,
but a context that makes the rapid
trust, rapid access, and rapid elevation
around Charlie feel a lot less random.
To supporters, it's all coincidence and
competence. A capable woman with a solid
family resume stepping up when the
spotlight hit. To everyone else, it's
the lingering mystery that won't quit.
Relationship or operation? Which one was
it really? Not long after that, Lori,
Erica's mother, launched another venture
called GTK Industries, a company
officially described as providing
digital security solutions and data
analysis for the Department of Defense,
Department of Homeland Security, and
Intelligence Units. Sounds standard
enough until you look closer at what
that really means. On paper, GTK's
mission statement talks about enhancing
the protection of technical borders,
analyzing national risks, and supporting
technology security infrastructure. But
anyone familiar with how the defense
world works knows that's coded language
for something much deeper. Involvement
in highle US information collection,
cyber operations, and surveillance
infrastructure. That's not your average
tech startup. That's the kind of access
most people never even hear about. So
now people are asking the question
that's got everyone online buzzing. If
this is the kind of environment Erica
grew up in,
hey, smiling. Oh yeah, I remember when
we had just got swept in front of
everybody JFK style. And you're smiling.
Yeah.
So that's weird. That's number one,
right?
Memorial.
Can we all agree that looked like
you know, a WWE event? Like
that was Wrestlemania,
right?
Fireworks and all. Like, what is this?
Was she being groomed for something far
more strategic than the public ever
realized? One former Phoenix contractor
said, "Aztec and GTK aren't flashy
companies, but the projects they handle,
let's just say they're the type that
never get listed on websites." He added
that both firms were tied to contracts
with restricted access, undisclosed
funding, and layers of quiet oversight.
That kind of secrecy doesn't happen by
coincidence. But here's where it gets
even weirder. The most mysterious part
of this story isn't the defense work.
It's a charity that Erica proudly used
to promote called Romanian Angels. On
the surface, it sounded like a heartfelt
humanitarian mission. A group helping
orphans in Romania partnered with the US
military to bring love and hope during
the holiday season. In promo clips,
Erica's voiceover was warm, emotional,
almost cinematic. It looked like the
perfect image of compassion and service.
But when independent reporters and
online sleuths started digging into the
organization's background, something
didn't sit right. Public records showed
that Romanian Angels operated from a
location uncomfortably close to a US
military base in Eastern Europe, a site
that's been referenced in several
investigative reports about mismanaged
orphanage systems and unresolved
disappearances. To be clear, there's no
confirmed link between Erica's
organization and any wrongdoing. But the
coincidence of location, the secrecy of
the funding, and the lack of public
records raised huge questions. Was
Romanian Angels really just a small
charity? Or was it a cover for something
deeper? That's the question being asked
across social media threads and
investigative blogs right now. Even
stranger, Lorie, Erica's mother, wasn't
just a quiet supporter. She was
originally listed as a co-founder and
even the narrator of the charity's first
promotional video. In the old clip, she
smiles as she talks about how technology
can connect the kindness of Americans
with the children of Europe. It was the
kind of soft PR content that wins hearts
and funding. But fast forward a few
years and Lorie's name has all but
vanished from the organization's public
footprint. Mentions of her as co-founder
gone. any notes of collaboration between
a tech and Romanian Angels deleted
archived web pages taken down. And when
a journalist recently asked Lori about
it, her response was short and cold. I'm
no longer involved in it. A former
communications officer for the charity
remembered things very differently. Lori
was proud of that project. They said
she'd talk about it constantly until one
day she told us, "We should keep it
quiet. No one asked why, but you could
feel that something had changed. So what
happened? Why would someone who once
bragged about a feel-good humanitarian
mission suddenly cut every tie to it and
erase her own history with it? Was there
a behind-the-scenes scandal, a quiet
government intervention, or was there a
sensitive link between the charity, the
tech companies, and defense networks
that someone wanted buried? Many people
now believe Romanian Angels might have
been more than just a goodwill project,
possibly a small piece of a much larger
web where technology, defense, and
humanitarian work quietly overlap. And
when you connect those dots, from the
cyber security firms in Arizona to the
orphanage charity in Eastern Europe, a
chilling pattern starts to emerge. It
paints a picture of a family deeply
embedded in industries where secrets,
influence, and access go hand in hand.
Whether it's coincidence, or
coordination, one thing's clear. The
story behind Erica Kirk's background
isn't nearly as simple as it was first
presented. Some analysts believe that
projects like these aren't random at
all. They're designed, a perfect balance
between public image and private agenda.
And while no one can prove every detail,
one thing stands out crystal clear.
Erica Kirk's family isn't just
successful. They're strategically
positioned. Every move, every company,
every charity they've touched seems to
exist at the intersection of power,
technology, and influence. It's not your
average family story. It's a web. A web
wrapped in kindness, polished speeches,
and smiling faces. Because when you
connect a Tech International, GTK
Industries, and Romanian Angels, what
you see isn't just a timeline. It's a
pattern. Each piece fits too perfectly
to ignore. To the public, Erica is a
graceful woman of faith and leadership.
But to observers who've looked deeper,
the picture is far more complex. A
carefully layered image where soft words
and sweet charity mask something far
more intricate. And what better way to
win hearts than through the military
itself handing out toys to children.
That's how Erica once described her
Project Angel Romania. The visuals were
picture perfect. Soldiers hugging kids,
Christmas lights, snow falling gently,
an image too beautiful to question. But
when you put all those puzzle pieces
side by side, the coincidences start
losing their innocence. Remember that
chance meeting story Erica always told?
The one about bumping into Charlie Kirk
at an airport in Israel while traveling
with her mother on a religious
pilgrimage sounds cute, right? Like fate
at work. But when you put that next to
the backdrop, her mother's deep history
with defense and intelligence linked
work, it doesn't sound so random
anymore. Could that trip have been less
about faith and more about function? And
then comes another twist that no one can
ignore. Erica once worked on Donald
Trump's campaign while still tied to the
pageant circuit. Meanwhile, Charlie's
father, Robert Kirk, was one of the
engineers behind Trump Tower in Chicago.
Two worlds in business and politics
intersecting long before Charlie and
Erica ever said hello. Was that really
divine alignment? Or carefully arranged
proximity within the same orbit of
influence? Because after looking at all
these overlapping details, the
industries, the connections, the
geography, it becomes hard to keep
calling them coincidences. It starts
looking like a web that was spun long
before either of them realized they were
caught in it. And then came Charlie's
passing, and that's when everything
turned chillingly strange. The world
expected grief, silence, mourning. But
what they saw from Erica shocked
everyone. In footage from memorial
events, she was often smiling, laughing,
even appearing unusually close to other
men, all while the official service was
still happening. Fans described it as
off, too calm, almost staged. Then came
another twist. The memorial that was
supposed to take place in Charlie's
Illinois hometown was abruptly moved to
Arizona. The same place where Erica's
family lives and where her mother's
company is headquartered. That raised
more than a few eyebrows. Charlie's own
parents and sister, his closest family,
didn't even attend. Sources close to
them claimed they refused because they
felt something wasn't right. They were
reportedly unhappy with how the event
was handled, the guest list, and even
how the service was filmed. And just
when it couldn't get murkier, whispers
started about JD Vance. According to
some insiders, he might have interfered
with the process of returning Charlie's
body from Utah. One rumor even suggests
that the body was quietly removed from
Air Force 2 before the official autopsy
ever took place. Nothing has been
proven. No confirmations, no denials,
just silence. But that silence is what's
making people talk louder. From Israel
to New York, from Arizona to Washington
DC, every piece of this story connects
like threads pulled from the same spool.
A chance encounter, a family with
defense ties, a charity near a
classified base, a memorial relocated
under odd circumstances. Each one could
be innocent on its own for but together
they form a pattern too sharp to ignore.
As one viral comment put it, with this
many coincidences, maybe nothing's a
coincidence anymore. Right now, the only
thing everyone agrees on is that someone
somewhere is hiding something. And until
the truth comes out, every smile from
Erica Kirk, every polished speech, every
public gesture will be picked apart
frame by frame. She not out of hate, but
because the public feels something
deeper is being covered up. And history
has shown on that instinct is rarely
wrong. This whole saga isn't just about
love or power. It's about how truth
itself gets buried under charm and
presentation. It's a brutal reminder
that in today's world, reality is
layered. The truth doesn't always live
on the surface. It hides behind perfect
lighting, Instagram captions, and staged
tears. Every smile can be rehearsed.
Every handshake can be scripted. Every
miracle meeting can be part of a long
game. Because let's be real, by in the
modern age, stories sell better than
facts. People build images, craft
emotions, and call it authenticity. But
behind the curtain, deals, pressure, and
contracts keep the story alive. So maybe
the real question isn't who's lying. E,
it's who's writing the story. What do
you think? Are we looking at a series of
harmless coincidences or a plan set in
motion years ago by forces that never
wanted us to notice? Drop your thoughts
in the comments below. And hey, if you
want me to keep digging into JD Vance's
rumored involvement and the funding
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Erika Kirk FURIOUS After Candace Owens REVEALS The Truth.. (Cover-Up EXPOSED!)
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Erika Kirk is reportedly furious after Candace Owens revealed what she claims is the truth—and fans are saying the cover-up has finally been exposed. What started as quiet tension between the two women has now erupted into one of the most explosive moments of the entire saga.

In this video, we break down exactly what Candace Owens exposed, how Erika is reacting behind the scenes, and why this revelation has everyone rethinking the story surrounding Charlie Kirk’s case. From shocking claims to alleged evidence, Candace’s reveal has left no one untouched.

Fans are losing it—some siding with Candace for pulling the curtain back on what they call “a long-buried truth,” while others think she’s gone too far by dragging Erika back into the spotlight. Either way, this latest twist has reignited one of the internet’s most chaotic scandals.

Stay tuned as we unpack Candace’s shocking revelation, Erika’s fiery response, and how this exposure could completely shift the public narrative.



Transcript

to hide. I know there's not cuz I've
seen what the case is built on.
Let everyone see what true evil is.
It's finally going down. Candace Owens
is officially calling out Erica Kirks.
And this time, she's not holding back.
She just dropped shocking receipts
claiming Erica might be tied to some
kind of staged setup meant to boost
TPU's chief of staff, Mikey McCoy, and
position him as Charlie's chosen
successor. Yeah, that same Mikey McCoy
who was standing just a few feet away
when Charlie was shot and didn't even
flinch. He didn't turn around, didn't
react. He just calmly walked off while
talking on the phone like nothing
happened. That's wild. While Turning
Point insiders rushed to defend Erica
and Mikey, none of them seem interested
in actually seeking justice for Charlie.
Not one. It's like they're protecting
each other instead of asking the real
questions. And right now, it looks like
Candace Owens might be the only one
brave enough to chase the truth, no
matter who it exposes. Meanwhile,
Erica's acting like life's just fine.
She's been talking about her bright
future, new projects, and all these
exciting opportunities while the whole
world is still asking what really
happened to her husband. That timing
feels off and people are starting to
notice. But here's where things take a
darker turn. She thinks it's a solid
case at least and is saying, "Show
everybody what you have so they can see
true evil." Within her capacity of
chairman and CEO of Turning Point USA,
they could be more transparent about
what happened that day. People don't
like the stuff that they've seen about
Mikey McCoy. They don't like what
they've seen about Rob McCoy.
Word is Erica's panicking because
Candace keeps digging deeper and pulling
receipts that could connect her and
TPUSA to the mess surrounding Charlie's
death. Now, the talk is that Erica's
team is trying to silence Candace with
legal threats, even pushing for a gag
order to shut her down completely.
Something's definitely not adding up
here. Candace Owens is far from done.
She's just getting warmed up. She's now
dropped even more wild receipts that tie
multiple Turning Point insiders to
seriously suspicious activity. And it's
not only about Erica Kirk or her
so-called Romanian Angels charity.
Candace is now naming names, claiming
that TPUSA's COO Tyler Bower was
allegedly getting involved with young
male interns and somehow linked to a
shady orphanage project in Ukraine.
That's a whole new level of disturbing.
At this point, it's clear Candace has
lost all patience with trying to be
polite or diplomatic. She's done playing
nice. She's publicly calling out Erica
for parading around promoting TPUSA's
new leadership while totally ignoring
the one thing that matters most, justice
for Charlie. Candace even said flat out
that she understands why some people
still believe Charlie might be alive.
Because based on Erica's behavior, you'd
never guess this woman just lost her
husband a few weeks ago. It's like she
flipped a switch from widow to
influencer overnight, doing interviews,
promoting causes, smiling for the
cameras while people are still mourning
the man she once called her soulmate.
But Candace didn't stop there.
What I've come to believe,
courage is hope in action.
Oh no, she took it straight to her own
show and looked directly into the
camera, addressing Erica by name. She
accused her of playing CEO girl boss at
Turning Point instead of fighting for
the truth. Candace said, "Where's the
transparency? Where's the demand for
answers? Where's the outrage?" She made
it clear that Erica's calm acceptance of
the official story doesn't sit right
with her or with anyone paying
attention. Then came the Jesse Waters
interview, the one that made everything
explode online. Erica appeared totally
at peace, even hinting that she's
accepted the FBI's version of events and
the identity of the alleged shooter. But
Candace isn't buying it. She's
questioning how Erica could move on so
quickly and so easily when there are
still massive holes in the timeline,
evidence, and witness statements.
Candace even dropped a heavy hint that
Erica's silence might not be grief, it
might be strategy. Because if Erica
pushes for full transparency, it could
expose TPUSA and their alleged role in
whatever really went down on September
10th. And that's when Candace shifted
focus back to the Turning Point crew,
especially the man of the hour, Mikey
McCoy. give assurance to people that
Turning Point USA is continuing and it
is. I mean, we are so blessed to have
more work than we even could.
Erica had praised him during her first
public appearance after Charlie's death,
calling him amazing. But Candace is
asking the real question. What exactly
was amazing Mikey doing that night?
Security footage shows Mikey standing
just behind Charlie at the moment of the
attack and his reaction, almost none. He
barely moved, didn't duck, didn't even
look shocked. While chaos broke out all
around him, Mikey looked calm. Too calm.
Like he already knew what was about to
happen. That's the kind of detail that
keeps people up at night wondering, "Was
this loyalty, shock, or something
darker?" When Charlie went down, Mikey
didn't rush to help. He didn't even
check if Charlie was breathing. Instead,
he casually lifted his phone to his ear
and just walked away, calm, cold, like
nothing had happened. Witnesses say he
didn't stay long enough to see if
Charlie was okay, which already had
people side eyeing the whole situation.
But then came the wild twist. Mikey's
father, Pastor Rob McCoy, later claimed
his son called him immediately and said
Charlie got shot in the neck. That
detail sounded rehearsed, too precise,
too fast. And here's where it gets even
more suspicious. Pastor Rob also claimed
that Mikey had blood all over him. I
mean, I've received an unbelievable
amount of emails from people that are
convinced that Charlie's actually still
alive. Right. And it's not sad because
those people are crazy. They're actually
reacting to the lack of emotion and the
lack of drive that is coming out of
Turning Point USA to figure out who
killed him. Yeah, that is how absurd
they are acting. Just move on. Just
donate to Turning Point USA. This is
what Charlie would want and that's his
legacy. But that's an outright lie
because anyone who's seen the footage
knows that's not true. There wasn't a
drop of blood on him. So, why lie about
something that can be easily disproven?
What's the point of fabricating a visual
like that unless there's something
deeper they're trying to sell to the
public? But wait, it gets messier.
Erica's now telling a different story.
She claims that she was the one on the
phone with Mikey right after Charlie was
shot. Hold up. So, who's telling the
truth here? Pastor Rob or Erica? Because
both can't be right. And that kind of
contradiction only adds more confusion
to an already suspicious timeline. And
if you thought it ended there, think
again. Candace isn't just coming for
Mikey and his dad anymore. She's
expanding the scope. She's now calling
out TPUSA's
COO, Tyler Bower, too. According to
Candace, an insider reached out with
claims that Tyler was getting way too
close to male interns inside the
organization. And that's not even the
worst part. She also dropped a bombshell
connection. Tyler's alleged involvement
with an orphanage in Ukraine that she
says gives her a very off feeling.
[Applause]
And remember, Erica's already been tied
to that questionable orphanage setup in
Romania. So, now we've got one person
linked to a Romanian charity, another
connected to a Ukrainian one, both
wrapped up in weird secrecy and
political influence. Something about
this whole pattern just screams that
there's way more going on than the
public's being told. Now, here's where
everything starts spiraling into
absolute chaos. Because once Candace
Owens started connecting all these dots,
people online began doing their own
digging. And what they've uncovered has
everyone's jaw on the floor. It's like
every new detail leads to another
secret, another strange coincidence,
another person who suddenly goes silent
or changes their story. And at the
center of it all, Erica Kirk and her
tight circle inside TPUSA. People are
now going through old clips, statements,
and live streams frame by frame. And
what they're finding is chilling.
Remember that footage of Erica right
after Charlie's death? She looked calm,
collected, even oddly composed for
someone who just lost her husband in
such a public, brutal way. Now, of
course, everyone grieavves differently.
That's true. But it's not just about
emotions. It's about how everything she
said since keeps shifting. One day,
she's saying she was on the phone with
Mikey McCoy right after the shooting.
Then later, she claims she didn't
actually see what happened and found out
through others on site. It would not
have been my advice for Erica in a stage
of grieving to go from being the widow
to being the CEO and the chairman of the
company. If I was running the company, I
would have said, "Let's put in place an
interim CEO, right? Someone below Justin
Strife, I think, was the COO. I would
have put in an interim CEO uh and
allowed people to figure things.
These tiny inconsistencies are what make
people raise eyebrows. Candace brought
this up directly, saying, "If your
husband was just shot in front of the
world and the man standing next to him
doesn't even flinch, wouldn't you want
answers?" And honestly, that's the
question echoing across every platform
right now. Erica's silence isn't
protecting her image. It's making her
look more suspicious by the day. Then
Candace went further. She questioned why
the USA hasn't released full
surveillance footage of that night.
According to insiders, multiple cameras
were rolling, including drones and
private media feeds set up for a content
piece that was supposed to drop later
that week. Yet somehow, all we've seen
are short clips from shaky cell phones.
And every one of those clips cuts off
right before or after key moments. Why?
Who's editing this? Who's deciding what
the public gets to see and what stays
hidden? And that's when people started
noticing something truly bizarre.
TPUSA's PR team has been scrubbing
entire pages from their website. Old
blog posts, archived event links, even
donation campaign pages connected to
Charlie's last public appearances have
disappeared, gone overnight. And
conveniently, many of those deleted
sections referenced either Erica, Mikey,
or Tyler. You don't have to be a
conspiracy theorist to see how that
looks. Candace even hinted that someone
from within the organization.
The defense wants to ban cameras in the
courtroom. How do you feel about that?
There were cameras all over my husband
when he was murdered.
There have been cameras all over my
friends and family mourning.
There have been cameras all over me,
analyzing my every move, analyzing my
every smile,
my every tear.
We deserve to have cameras in there.
Why not be transparent?
There's nothing to hide. I know there's
not cuz I've seen what the case is built
on.
Let everyone see what true evil is. This
is something that could impact a
generation and generations to come.
Reached out to her anonymously, saying
there was immense pressure to stick to
the official story. The whistleblower
allegedly told her that certain staff
members were warned not to discuss the
night of September 10th, even privately,
or risk losing their jobs. That's when
Candace dropped a line that hit hard.
When people are told not to talk, that's
when you know you're close to the truth.
And honestly, she's right. Meanwhile,
Erica's public behavior is only fueling
the speculation. Just weeks after
Charlie's funeral, she's seen smiling on
stage, attending gallas, and speaking
about moving forward with purpose. To
some, it's strength, but to many others,
it's emotional detachment. And then
there's that awkward video where she
called Mikey McCoy an incredible example
of courage and leadership. People
couldn't believe she said that. The man
who walked away while her husband was
dying and she's praising him. That clip
alone reignited every rumor that she's
protecting him for a reason. But Candace
isn't just stopping at shady behavior.
She's digging into the money trail. She
said, "Follow the funds and you'll find
the truth." And now everyone's watching
the donations pouring into both TPUSA
and Erica's Romanian Angels charity.
According to filings that Candace showed
on her show, large sums have moved
through both organizations within weeks
of Charlie's passing. Some donations
were labeled as international
humanitarian efforts, but the
destinations unclear.
Analyzing my every smile,
my every tear.
We deserve to have cameras in there.
Why not be transparent?
There's nothing to hide. I know there's
not cuz I've seen what the case is built
on.
Let everyone see what true evil is. This
is something that could impact a
generation and generations to come. The
Romanian NGO reports don't match the
American filings and vice versa. It's
messy. And in the nonprofit world, messy
often means intentional confusion.
There's also talk about a private jet
flight days before the tragedy allegedly
carrying Erica Mikey and two unnamed
donors. The plane's tail number, which
had been mentioned in Candace's
receipts, connects back to a shell
company based in Arizona. Guess what?
That company's listed purposes? Media
and event coordination. The same type of
setup Charlie was known for. But he
wasn't listed on the paperwork. So, who
was really running things behind the
scenes? And that's when Candace dropped
what might be her most explosive
statement yet. She said she's in
possession of text messages and internal
emails that point to coordination before
and after the shooting. Coordination,
not coincidence. She said those messages
mention preparation, sequence, and post
media strategy. Those are words you use
in marketing, not an emergency response.
That right there made the internet
explode with theories. But here's what
makes it even more dramatic. As Candace
releases more information, the response
from TPUSA insiders has become colder,
more defensive, and borderline
threatening. Instead of offering
transparency, they're allegedly sending
legal notices trying to intimidate her
into silence. She even said she received
a warning from a high-profile donor,
telling her to leave this alone. And
Candace responded, "I don't take orders
from people who fear the truth." Boom.
The entire issue in the energy right now
is that people, irrespective of what's
happening on paper, don't believe the
story. They don't believe the story. and
you are and of course this is only a
snippet of the interview so I'm sure
more will be said here but I'm getting
that you have seen the case you think
it's a solid case uh she thinks it's a
solid case at least and is saying show
everybody what you have so they can see
true evil within her capacity of
chairman and CEO of Turning Point USA
they could be more transparent about
what happened that day people don't like
the stuff that they've seen about Mikey
McCoy they don't like what they've seen
about Rob McCoy
mic drop moment at this point even
neutral Several commentators are
starting to say this isn't just a gossip
feud. This looks like an organized
attempt to control a narrative and
Erica's at the center whether she wants
to be or not. Some fans think she's
being manipulated. Others think she's
part of the coverup. Either way, her
refusal to speak openly only makes the
storm louder. Candace then made a
powerful emotional point. If this were
my husband, I would tear the earth apart
until I found out who did it and why.
And that hit people hard because that's
what everyone expects from a grieving
partner and not branding deals, podcast
launches, and vague faith-based
speeches. Erica's version of moving
forward just doesn't match the timeline
of someone in Morning. To make things
even more suspicious, rumors have
surfaced that Erica has been in private
meetings with select Turning Point
donors, supposedly to restructure the
organization and secure its new future.
Insiders told Candace those meetings
took place behind closed doors without
full board approval. So, while the
public still doesn't have full answers
about Charlie's death, Erica's already
shaping what TPUSA looks like moving
forward. That's not mourning. That's
maneuvering. As this all unfolds, people
are demanding hard evidence, footage,
documents, transparency. And if
Candace's sources are correct, that
evidence exists but is being kept under
wraps. They don't like the history of
Rob and Mikey McCoy and their
involvement here. Um, they don't like
the video of Terrell. They don't believe
what time text messages were sent or
when the phone calls took place. You
know, Rob McCoy is lying in the areas
that you can control the transparency.
I think doing that would be beneficial
to Turning Point USA cuz I don't think I
don't think Turning Point USA is going
to survive. She's even suggested that
she'll reveal more on her next show,
saying, "I have the proof they never
wanted to see daylight." So, while Erica
keeps smiling for cameras and Candace
keeps pulling receipts, the question
grows louder by the day. What really
happened on September 10th and who's
protecting who? Because one thing's
clear. Too many stories don't match. Too
many people are staying silent. And too
many lies are starting to crack wide
open. Something big is coming. And when
it does, it's going to shake the entire
conservative world to its core. And now
everything circles right back to one of
the strangest and most suspicious
threads in this entire story, the
orphanage connection. Because believe it
or not, the same Tyler Bower, who's
allegedly linked to a sketchy orphanage
operation in Ukraine, is also the very
person who reportedly set up the first
meeting between Charlie and Erica.
That's right. The introduction that
changed both of their lives forever
might not have been random at all.
People are now asking, was Tyler just
being a friendly colleague, or was he
placing Charlie in a situation that was
already orchestrated behind the scenes?
Could Tyler have been part of a setup
meant to position Erica as a key player
inside Turning Point, especially after
Charlie's passing? Because when you
start looking at the timeline of the
introductions, the projects, the
donations, and the charity ties,
everything starts to overlap in ways
that feel a little too convenient. And
the craziest part
and and I'm watching the the minute
Charlie was shot, he called me, says,
"Dad, Charlie's been shot in the neck.
Please call every pastor and pray.
It's okay, son. Just has wits about him.
He was just directing. He had blood all
over him. And
both Erica and Tyler have ties to
orphanage related charities. Hers in
Romania, his allegedly in Ukraine.
That's two different countries, both
with similar aid projects, both tied to
the same small circle of people inside
TPUSA.
It's like every time someone pulls one
thread, three more come loose. And while
none of this is proven, Candace made it
clear that this level of coincidence
deserves serious questioning. Now,
here's where things get even weirder.
Texas Delegate Trisha Hope stepped in
and dropped some serious tea. She
revealed that after she made a social
media post questioning the strange
circumstances around Charlie's death,
Tyler Bower personally reached out to
her. Not a spokesperson, not a legal
rep, Tyler himself. He told her he
didn't appreciate her comments
suggesting Charlie's death seemed
suspicious, but why even care that much
if there's nothing to hide, right? The
man's the COO of a multi-million dollar
organization. And yet, he's spending his
time messaging a delegate about a
Facebook comment. That's not normal
behavior unless something hit a nerve.
Trisha's response was direct. She told
him that if Turning Point really wanted
to clear things up, they should release
an official statement with hard facts.
She said, "Why not tell the public
what's real? Was there an autopsy? Was
the bullet recovered? Were there any
forensic results at all? Those are
simple, reasonable questions. But
Tyler's response shocked her. He brushed
it all off and said, "I can't chase all
that madeup stuff." Made up stuff. Since
when are autopsy reports and ballistics
evidence considered madeup?
Also, another person who wrote us was
telling me the story about Tyler Boyer's
involvement in like Maricopa County
politics in general, like what did he do
before in Arizona? And yeah, it's just
the kind of stories again that he said
he approached him several times about
embezzlement. You know, Char, not
Charlie, Tyler was hooking up with young
interns, young male interns, uh, or
young male workers and he didn't even
care. Like, I would go on record cuz all
of this happened and I had the proof
that all of this happened and I
everybody knows about Tyler Boyer at
Turning Point USA. It's like an
absurdity. But this is the person that
is putting people into places of power
at Turning Point USA. That's the type of
response that doesn't calm rumors, it
feeds them. And Trisha made that point
loud and clear, saying if everything was
by the book, they'd have no problem
showing proof. And honestly, she's
right. Because to this day, nobody, not
the media, not Turning Point, not even
Erica, has given a straight answer about
the most basic facts of that night. Was
there an autopsy? Where's the report?
What happened to the bullet? Even the
wild claim about words engraved on the
bullet vanished into thin air once
people started questioning it. The FBI's
early statement implied that there were
visible markings on the bullet, almost
like it carried a message. But when
people pointed out that you physically
can't fit that many words on such a tiny
surface, that part of the story quietly
disappeared. Candace hammered that point
on her show, saying, "When the story
keeps changing, that's not confusion.
That's deception." And that line has
stuck with people because that's exactly
what's happening. Too many changing
details, too many contradictions, and
not enough straight answers. What's even
more suspicious is how Erica and Turning
Point have reacted to all this. Instead
of fighting for truth or justice,
they're going after Candace Owens....

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Attorney Gloria Allred and survivor Alicia Arden speak out on the long-awaited release of the Jeffrey Epstein files. Arden shares her harrowing experience and urges Congress to act for transparency and justice, while Allred highlights ongoing legal and political complications. This story exposes the urgent fight for accountability and the truth behind Epstein and Maxwell’s crimes. For more details, watch our story and subscribe to our channel, DRM News.

Attorney Gloria Allred holds a news conference in Los Angeles alongside her client, alleged Epstein victim Alicia Arden, to discuss newly surfaced Epstein files and ongoing legal developments in the Jeffrey Epstein case. The briefing sheds light on key documents, potential evidence, and the broader implications for victims seeking justice.

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See,
thank you for coming today. I'm attorney Gloria Alred. I represent Alicia Arden
and I'll be doing an introduction and then Alicia will make a statement and
then I will have some comments of my own. Uh, I have also over a number of years
represented a total of 27 survivors of Jeffrey Epstein.
This week, the House of Representatives in Congress is expected to take a floor
vote in support of or against the Department of Justice, releasing all of
the files that it has not yet released to Congress into the investigation of
Jeffrey Epstein and those who associated with him who may have enabled,
supported, or conspired with him to sexually abuse and/or sex traffic,
underage girls and adults. For a long time, the survivors of
Jeffrey Epstein and Galain Maxwell have been calling for the release of those
files. While thousands of pages have been released to the House Oversight Committee as a result of a subpoena
which they authorized, thousands more pages have not been provided by the
Department of Justice. Even though polls show that the majority of Democrats,
independents, and Republicans in the public have supported the release of those files, their survivors have made
it clear over and over again that they want transparency and they want to know
the whole truth concerning how Jeffrey Epstein and Ms. Maxwell were able to
sexually victimize and sex traffic children and adults for such a long
period of time. Alicia Arden, who is here with me today, is the first victim
of Jeffrey Epstein to have proof that she filed a police report because of
what Epstein did to her. And however, no prosecution of Jeffrey
Epstein ever took place in reference to her police report.
Alicia will explain how she feels about the upcoming vote in the House and the president's decision yesterday to tell
House Republicans to vote to release the files. After Alicia speaks, I will share my
concerns about the latest development on this issue announced by the president
and how it may impact the survivor's desire to have all of the Department of
Justice's files released. First, however, I'm honored to present
Alicia Arden.
Closer. Yeah, sure.
Thank you.
Thank you, Gloria. And thank you uh all for coming and um
um this has been a very Speak up a little. Oh, okay. Thank you. Thank you, Gloria. Is that better? Thank
you. Thanks all for for coming. Um, this has been a very emotional um emotionally
draining week uh for me as I'm sure you all can imagine
and um it's been very emotional for um so many of the survivors myself um of
Jeffrey uh Epstein and the current administration
promised during the campaign to release the Jeffrey Epstein files
But all the files were not released due to the House Oversight Committee even
though the campaign and the committee had subpoenaed them. President Trump
just told everyone to just move on.
And then this week, revelations came out in emails from Jeffrey Epstein's estate
which mention President Mr. Trump. And that same president who told us to
move on threatened a Republican member of Congress
who changed her vote in to support the survivors.
And then when it became clear that many Republicans wanted to the vote to
release the files and then the the president changed his
position and and and as now told Republicans in
the House to vote for the for the Department of Justice files to be
released. So, as you can imagine, the events of
this last week has completely been, it's hard for me to say, um, it's been
very much a complete slap in the face. um to the victims, myself, who are just
reaching and searching for justice in this matter. The only thing that we really learned
from last week is that those in Washington are more concerned
with playing political games um than they are with being honest with
the American people. and helping the victims, myself
um of Jeffrey Epstein, the victims of Jeffrey Epstein and Miss Maxwell.
And this week, the House of Representatives will finally have the
opportunity to decide if the Epstein files will be released.
So, speaking as one of the victims,
I beg you to release these files once and for all.
I mean, there is no valid reason for refusing to do so.
So, you can't claim that it is to protect the victims.
I mean, when it is the victims, myself and the victims that have been calling for the files to be released.
I mean, this should be a really an easy bipartisan issue.
And why would there be a single no vote?
My hope is that finally these files will be released
and those who were complacent in Jeffrey Epstein's crimes will finally
be named and the American public will get the transparency that they've been promised
and which we all deserve and they deserve. But if the House does not vote to be
releasing these files, it will be
very disappointing um to all of us
and um I mean what reason could they possibly
have for keeping this information such a a secret unless it is to protect
themselves. And I believe that what could they have? It's in order just
to protect them themselves at the expense of myself, the victims, all of
the public. And the more that we are denied the files, the more we assume that the very
politicians who vote know appear to be, doing, and so to hide
the facts for their own political or personal reasons.
So once again, I appeal to the members of the House.
Vote to release these files so that we can finally see who else helped Jeffrey
Epstein and who else victimized so many children and adults.
Thank you, Alicia. Welcome. I would like to begin by thanking the
president for urging the Republicans in the House to vote to support the discharge petition and on the floor to
release the Epstein files. However, I am concerned with what the president
has not said. First, he has not explained to the public that a vote to
release the files is not really necessary. The House Oversight Committee
has already subpoenaed the files and some of the files, but not all of them have been released. The committee could
seek a vote holding the Department of Justice in contempt, but most likely they do not have enough votes to take
that step. Further, the DI the Department of Justice could have released all of the files and still
could voluntarily. They did not need a vote in Congress or
a subpoena to do that. However, because they have not released all the files,
certain members of Congress want to vote on this issue and now they'll have the
opportunity to do that. If the House vote to support the release of the files, the issue will then go to the
Senate for a vote. I note that the president has not urged the senators to
vote to release the files. Even if the senators do vote in favor of
the release, the bill will then go to the president. And the president has not
indicated that he would even sign such a bill. Further complicating all of this is that
the president has directed the Department of Justice to investigate highlevel
Democrats who are mentioned in the Epstein files. Attorney General Pam
Bondi said she would do that and she directed the Justice Department's office
in the Southern District of New York to open the investigation.
Will any Republicans whose names are in the files and who were associated with
Jeffrey Epstein also have their names be released or will their names be
withheld? Will any of them be prosecuted if there's sufficient evidence to do that?
Will the release of the names of Democrats in the files contaminate any
future prosecution of those individuals named in the files? Also, Democrats who
are being investigated should be able to argue selective prosecution which
appears to be political persecution. There are many more questions that flow
from the president's statements and lack of answers to other important questions.
The road to full transparency will be a long one, but I feel that the
courage of survivors to persevere will help us to find the answers to many
questions that they have. I look forward to as much justice as is still possible
for all of the brave survivors. And I'll be happy to take any questions
and Alicia can take any if if she wishes to.
I have a question. Would you speak up, please? Thank you. Yes, I have a question. Emily Valdez, KX. Um, I recall the survivors saying
that they were going to put together their own list and release it. Do you have any update on that? The question is
that she recalls the survivors indicating that they would put together
their own list of others, third parties, in addition to Jeffrey Epste and Miss
Maxwell, whom they alleged sexually exploited or
sexually abused or sex traffked them. The question is,
have they done that? Um the answer is each one of them knows
their own truth. They don't know what happened to many others. There are
alleged to be a thousand uh victims of Jeffrey Epstein.
Uh I'm not sure if anybody knows the exact number, but many. So they may know
what happened to some of their friends, but maybe they don't know the whole picture. That's what they're looking for. as to the actual release of the
names. That would be very dangerous for the survivors to do it. And there are many
attorneys involved. And I have no doubt that the attorneys have warned them that
if they release the names of others who sexually abused them and said, "Mr. X
raped me. Mr. X uh sexually assaulted me."
that they could be sued by the person whose name they released
who would then say, "You have accused me of a crime because rape,
you know, sexual assault of a child." Um, they these are crimes
and that person was likely to say, "You have defamed me. I'm innocent. I didn't
do it. and therefore I have filed a defamation lawsuit against you.
Most of these survivors do not have sufficient funds to pay an attorney to
defend them against a civil defamation lawsuit,
which could run hundreds of thousands to potentially over a million dollars in
fees and costs. um that's a danger and they could be
tied up for years in depositions and in that lawsuit even if it goes to trial,
which it may or may not ever go to trial. Having said that, I would be really
surprised, anything is possible if a survivor decided to release all the
names that she knows about. Now, I believe that it was a member of
Congress Perhaps it was a Marjorie Taylor Green, I'm not sure, who said that she would
release all the names on the floor of the Congress.
Well, she would have some legal protection if she did it during a
congressional proceeding. However, she's likely to be asked at
some point who gave her those names. And then
if it comes out that the survivors did or any of them did
it may be that uh the survivors again will have further legal troubles.
So the answer is I don't know what will come next for the list of the survivors
accusers. Well, the survivors who are accusing a third party.
Okay, thank you. Good, great question. How would they do that?
Are there any other questions for Alicia or from myself?
Do you know Spanish at all? enough to enough to answer questions. No
or say anything in Spanish? Yes or no?
Probably not enough. A little but probably not enough. A little but this situation and I want it to be
mu. It's it's mu mu mal. Okay. This this situation
if you'd like to wait until afterwards I could have somebody translate for her.
Okay. be happy to do that. Uh, is there anything further? Any other questions? The last one was a very good
one. Okay, I'll ask um
what would you love to see happen like for your case and for just this whole
overall situation? What would what would be the greatest thing you like to see in your guys?
Well, yeah, there's no case pending right now.
Um, because in reference to the criminal case of Jeffrey Epstein, he's now
deceased. Um, and in reference to Ms. Maxwell, the
Supreme Court did not agree to uh hear her appeal.
And so, the only hope for her will be a pardon or commutation from the president, which reportedly she's
seeking. Um, but in terms of the survivors,
they've always wanted truth and transparency. They would like to see all of the files
released that the Department of Justice has. That, in other words, that would include investigative files from the
FBI, from Homeland Security, um, and from any prosecutions which took
place. I mean, the Jeffrey Epstein uh prosecution had begun and then he
died mysteriously in uh New York in custody.
Uh and they'd like to see all the files released from uh the Miss Maxwell case
as well. Um so that's what they're fighting for is
accountability and justice. It's not over just because there's been
conviction of Miss Maxwell and death of Jeffrey Epstein. I just want to add
there's been a great deal of criticism of Todd Blanch, the deputy attorney
general who interviewed Ms. Maxwell in prison and who has now said recently
when it when some inconsistencies arose in the answer she gave him that
day compared to other responses she had given in the past
that he didn't have in his possession or the department of justice didn't have
emails from the estate of Jeffrey Epstein
So, that raises even more questions. Why didn't they, if they didn't, why
didn't the Department of Justice ever subpoena the emails in the Jeffrey
Epstein files of the estate? How could a deputy attorney general of
the United States go in and interview a convicted felon without having possession of those
files? Again, more questions than answers.
I don't know any prosecutor who would have done that. And of course, to have that high level
prosecutor even interviewing Mrs. Maxwell is also very suspicious as well.
Any other questions? If this doesn't work, you know, Trump wanting to release the names and stuff,
what do you think what do you think would work to finally like get these files, get these names? Like this case
has been going on for a long Yeah. And again now because he's
directed the criminal investigation of his high-profile Democrats such as
former President Clinton and others aren't somewhat. This further
complicates the whole situation. Is is the Department of Justice going to say,
"Well, we can't release anything that would be the usual profile in reference to these Democrats."
um because we're investigating them. So, we can't let the public know any
evidence about them. So, will they use that as a reason not to release that part of the
vows? But then what about any Republicans, highlevel,
rich, famous, powerful men who also associated with Jeffrey Epstein who were
Republicans. I want to just add in all my years involved in this case
and many many and discussions with many survivors of Jeffrey Epstein,
not once has anyone said to me, uh, is the person who sexually abused me
a Democrat or Republican. It's not something they cared about.
They just wanted justice for him. They didn't care if if it even ever voted or was an independent
or not affiliated with the party. So now we're just involved in this
political bloodbath trying to get answers. So all I can say
is when the fog of political war clears, I certainly hope that the survivors of
Jeffrey Epstein will have more answers and information than they have now.
I have one. Oh, I wanted to get um Miss Alen, is it okay? Are you comfortable sharing a
little bit of your story of what happened to you with Jeffrey? Get closer here to the I'll move this.
Go ahead. Well, I have been asked this question many times
and I always say which is the truth. I I speak to you as if we are coming back
in 1997. So this happened to me in 1997. So if you come back with me is a different
time in 1997 which I thought I was highly always
modeling and acting. I was auditioning for Melrose Place and um and Beverly
Hills 90210 and I was working on Dookie Hower and I was doing many shows and
many uh many many modeling lingerie ads and I did all these things where and I
was in Playboy but I was in lingerie but on the left side of me was Cindy
Crawford in the magazine and Claudia Schiffer, my two favorite Victoria
Secrets models, and I'm in the magazine with them. So, I thought I'm going to
send my pictures to New York. And I somehow got wind of him from a friend of
mine that was pursuing him for some type of um uh real estate. And she she went
to meet him. And then he asked her and he came to California from New York and
he had already seen my pictures, meaning Jeffrey Epste. Jeffrey Epste. Okay. Yes. And he wanted to meet me. So I was
notified and called by his secretary, which to this day I think could have
been Galain Maxwell, but I don't know for sure. So I did go meet him. He ended
up meeting my friend first, Jeffrey Epstein, and he had asked, "Do you know
anyone that wants to be in Victoria's Secrets?" And she said, "No."
And then she said, she said, "I don't want to be in Victoria's Secrets, but my friend Alicia does." And Jeffrey Epstein
said, "Have her call me." than anything else and anyone else who wants to be in
Victoria's Secrets. Which is why to this day it makes perfect sense to me now
that he was recruiting what we all saw that he did, but I didn't know that
that's what what he did and became of him. Where did you meet him? I ended up in the hotel room with him
for what I thought was a Victoria Secrets lingerie catalog audition. And which hotel was that? shutters
in in Santa Monica, California. And I wanted so desperately, like any model,
to be in Victoria Secrets. And I know that I could cuz I was doing so much
other and I know I could do it. And I know I could be in there based on my beautiful modeling pictures. And so we
were there in the hotel room and um he opened the door. He was barefoot in what
appeared to be a suite with a kitchen and a whole entire living room. It's
very expensive to stay there and and be there at shutters. So he opened the door
and I'll never forget it. He had on a white shirt.
It might have been Filela at the time and black um lingerie pants. Oh, no. Black
sweatpants. Sweatpants. Not sweatpants. And uh black uh black Oh, no. He was
barefoot. So he he wanted me he wanted to see my portfolio. And so it was going
well until he said, "Come closer to me." And then I want to start mandling you.
He asked me to turn around. And normally in a audition, you might end up in in a
bathing suit and you you take off your wrap and you in a bathing suit and you and you model and turn around, which is
legitimate to do that. But then he wanted me to come closer and he started touching me and I just couldn't handle
it anymore. And he said, "Let me manhandle you." Which I've never heard that word. And I It's very upsetting
because he said that to me. I've never forgotten it. And he wanted to manhandle
me and start touching my butttocks, my stomach, my hips and
thighs, and my chest. And and he it just was becoming apparent that I just felt
like I was going to just involved in a situation I didn't want to be in. So, I
wanted to I wanted to leave. And so, I said, "Jeffrey, I'm I'm going to leave." leave. And then he said to me, "I will
give you $100." And I to this day, it's so hard for me
to say because I said, "I'm not a prostitute. I only want to be in Victoria's Secrets. I only want to be in
the catalog." And I didn't take it. I threw it on on the table. And because I
was did not want to go on what all the touching anymore was not right. It's not
what happens in an audition. So I I said, "I'm taking my portfolio and I'm leaving and I'm leaving." So I left and
he's following me out of the room. And he gave me the $100. And I didn't know
really what to do. So I decided to take it because if you've been a model and actress in LA and you're you are living
in Hollywood, driving to auditions in Santa Monica in LA, it's a lot of gas.
So then I I did and I I said, "Okay, I'm leaving." And so he followed me to valet
parking in the in the shutters hotel and he got his car which was a black
Mercedes and then I went out in into mine and I
said, "Okay." So I'm I'm leaving. And he just kind of waved and and didn't say
anything. I think he said, "I'll call you." But I just I I just was so
traumatized as to what took place and him touching me and groping me and
telling me he wanted to manhandle me. And I'm in a I'm in a bra and underwear at this point because that's what
happens, you know, when you're going in for a lingerie catalog. You do have to be in a bra and underwear and a and a
and a swimsuit to get the job. But I physically thought I was going to get it
and I had no idea that he really didn't wasn't really who he said he was. And
then I just felt I needed to leave. I drove right to the Santa Monica Police Department, which is across the street
from um the Shutters Hotel. And so I just felt I needed to do it. And that
that I'm sure I've put out there before. I don't know if you want me to go into that. That was a whole saga. I went in
and they didn't really want me to file it and I felt I had to. So, they took a little bit. They told me
to think about it and come back. Think about it and come back.
And so, I just really wanted a female police officer, which I ended up not
getting, but I did it. And to this day, I'm happy that I did. And I said everything in my statement that you know
he was touching me and groping me and taking my clothes off as to already I
was already my clothes were off but I just felt I needed to get out of
there and I felt I had to file the police report because what if he was doing this to other girls? I'm solely in
there for, you know, a legitimate audition and he's already seen my pictures. But I did get a phone call
from a woman and then oh when I was in the room I was crying in front of him a
lot because I wanted to get in the catalog so bad and he was saying well you look you you look great in this
picture but then you look really busty. He did say that to me. You look really busty in this picture. And I said I I
mean I'm I'm very fit. I'm in fitness magazines. I'm
it the a camera it can appear bigger or not. So that's great. And so then then
he he did say that and then he said I'll have to see. And then I started crying and then he did get another phone call
on his cell phone in front of me and I to this day think it I can't prove it
but I think it was Gain Maxwell allegedly. I think because they were together in 1997, right? in 1997. And
then she got a he called she called maybe he answered the phone and he said,
"I have this beautiful girl in front of me and she's very upset." before I said
I had to leave. I was crying in front of him because I wanted to desperately get the the catalog, the magazine so badly. And so
he said, "I have this beautiful girl in front of me and she's very upset." Okay.
And I think it was her, but I can't prove it, but I think it was her. Thank you. Okay. Anything else? Thank
you very much for coming today. Okay.
And then
smile.

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Massie, myself, and Congresswoman Green would be happy to answer questions after that. With that, let me uh introduce uh
the uh survivor who's helped uh organize a lot of this and we'll be introducing
telling her own story and introducing uh uh the other survivors, Haley Robson.
Thank you for your courage and leadership. Absolutely. Thank you.
Oh, good morning. It's a little chilly coming from Florida. not used to it. I
want everybody to take a look. I know everybody sees us today as grown adults, but we are fighting for the children
that were abandoned and left behind in the reckoning.
This is who you're fighting for. This is who Congress is fighting for. This is who the House of Representatives are
fighting for. And hopefully the Senate will fight for us, too. I want to kick
this off right. And I want to address Marjorie Taylor Green, Thomas Massie, and Roana. I want to express my
gratitude for all three of you. And I know Roana, we spoke earlier. This is an incredible thing that I'm watching as a
Republican, and this is nonpolitical. But for you to go against your own party
and to be ostracized, there's no place for political violence. There's no place for intimidation. And I can say
firsthand stepping out against Epstein and his crimes against children, we have all experienced that ourselves. So, for
you to knowingly put yourselves at risk and put your career at risk is unbelievable to watch and we are so
grateful. I also want to make a proposition for Marjorie Taylor Green because you've been an advocate for this. If you decide to read those names
on the House floor for immunity, I will be more than happy, no security needed.
I will stand beside you. I will hold your hand. I will hold your coat in solidarity with you. And on top of that,
I did talk to Prial uh Jop Paulal who said she would be more than happy to read those names too on the floor with
all of us. It's time that we polit we put the political agendas and party affil uh affiliations to the side. This
is a human issue. This is about children. There is no place in society for exploitation, sexual crimes, or
exploitation of women in society. There's no room for it, guys. We're not having it. And to the president of the
United States of America who is not here today, I want to send a clear message to
you. While I do understand that your position has changed on the Epstein files and I'm grateful that you have
pledged to sign this bill, I can't help to be skeptical of what the agenda is.
So with that being said, I want to relay this message to you.
I am traumatized. I am not stupid. I am traumatized. I am not stupid. You
have put us through so much stress. The lockdowns, the halt of these of of these
procedures that were supposed to have happened 50 days ago, the Adelita
Grahalva who waited to get sworn in and then get upset when your own party goes against you because what is being done
is wrong. It's not right for your own self-s serving purposes. This is America.
This is land of the free. Land of the free. In 1863, we have a woman on top of
the Capitol building represent freedom. I do not feel free today. I don't know if the women behind me feel free today.
So, I am begging every member of Congress, every representative to step
up and choose the chaos. Choose the survivors. Choose the children. Protect
the children. all children. You protect all of us equally.
Thank you very much for your time. Following that, Lisa Phillips will be the next survivor.
Good morning. My name is Lisa Phillips. It's an honor to stand here again for
something America is finally united on. the immediate release of the entire
Epstein files. In a divided nation, this is one demand we all share.
Last time I stood here, I made a promise to all survivors watching. If those in
power refused to release the truth, we would start uncovering it ourselves.
For anyone who doubted that, that moment has already arrived.
Since that day, more survivors across the country and around the world have reached out texts, emails, DMs,
firsthand accounts, and evidence. Many are women who were abused or trafficked through the international
modeling pipeline Epste built, promising visas, apartments, opportunities,
futures, while exploiting their dreams for abuse. Most are still terrified to speak
publicly because the men involved are powerful. They're connected and as we know, they're protected.
For too long, survivors have watched others speak for us. And while we are grateful for our allies in Congress on
both sides, we've realized something. This fight belongs to us. We lived it
and we know the truth. and we will not wait quietly for institutions to decide when we're
allowed to speak. The survivors now coming forward have entrusted us with their stories. We are sharing that
information with the proper authorities and when it can safely be made public, it will be.
So today we are launching something historic. the first national survivor-led
political movement in America. Nonpartisan, laser focused on exposing the systems,
the loopholes, power structures, and silencing mechanisms that have protected
predators for far too long. We are stepping directly into the halls
of power, into the political arena.
We will help rewrite laws that failed us and build protections for our nation's children together targeted by sexual
exploitation. Together today, survivors begin our own
fight, the survivor revolution,
and we intend to change this nation for the better.
If you're a survivor who wants to join us, please reach out.
And to anyone who benefits from the current system, intentionally or not, remember this. Alone, yes, we are
afraid, but together we are feared.
Thank you.
Hello everybody. I am Jenna Lisa Jones and just as Haley I would just like to
give a little reminder that this was me at 14 years old. I was a child. I was in
ninth grade. I was hopeful for life and what it the future
had held for me. He stole a lot from me uh by at 14. So just a little reminder
there for everybody. Sorry.
So, um,
I just want to start out by saying thank you for all of you for being here today. I want to start by expressing my deepest
gratitude to the members of Congress who have stood with us, the survivors, and
demanding the transparency and justice. Your support is a signal that this institution can still serve the American
people. This issue was never one that should have divided us the way it has.
In fact, it should have united us. Sexual abuse is not a Republican issue. This it is not a de or a Democratic
issue. It is not a it is also not a hoax. We are here as American survivors
of a man who used his wealth and power to hurt young girls and women.
The world should see the files to know who Jeffrey Epstein was and how the system catered to him and failed us.
Emotionally, this process has been distressing. First, the administration said it would release everything and
applauded President Trump for that. Then, it fought to release nothing. Now that that that
now that that checks and balances of our dem democ democracy have worked and the
bill is getting passed to release the files. We are hearing the administration say they intend to investigate various
Democrat Democrats who were friends with Epstein. I beg you, President Trump, please stop making this political. It is
not about you, President Trump. You are our president. Please start acting like it. Show some class. Show some real
leadership. Show that you actually care about the people other than yourself. I voted for you, but your behavior on this
issue has been an national embarrassment.
It is time to take the honest moral ground and support the release of these
files. not to weaponize pieces of the files against random political enemies that did nothing wrong, but to
understand who Epstein's friends were, who covered for him, what financial institutions allowed his trafficking to
continue, who knew what he was doing, but was too much of a coward to do
anything about it. Jeffrey Epstein and Glain Maxwell were able to recruit and abuse young girls
and women, then the country will learn no
the country will learn nothing and has horrible history will repeat itself if we do not do something about this. Thank
you to the brave congressmen and women who have stood by us and recognize our side is the American side and we should
all be proud once again to be Americans. I want to just extend my thank you so much to all three of you very very much.
The first time we were here listening to uh people yell shame at you and when she
was here in support of us really hit home and spoke some volumes and I just and very much appreciable of um your
support and and we stand by you. Don't let any of them bully you. We're we're here for you.
Thank you guys.
Wow. Good morning everyone. Thank you all so much for coming together today
and taking the time to listen to us. Your presence means the world and it
shows commitment to understanding and supporting survivors and Americans. I stand before you today with a heavy
heart. I originated from Brazil and I come I came to the United States when I
was 8 years old. I was only 14 when I first encountered Jeffrey Epstein, and
my daughter is now almost at that age. At 14, the only things she should be
concerned with are going to school, practicing at her cheerleading competitions, and enjoying her time with
her friends and family. She should not have to bear the burden of worrying about being manipulated or exploited. At
this age, she is still a child, and no child should ever have to face such such threats. I also want to address a
trouble state a troubling statement made by a prominent figure on a major platform who suggested that a
14-year-old should not be considered victim of pedophilia. This is a dangerous and incorrect notion. When we
talk about how children at 14 should still be treated as children, I ask you to look at the young people around you.
Remember when you were that age? Do you think you should have been responsible for being groomed? put yourselves in our
position when we were young. I'm here today not to just share my story, but to
call on all of you to help make a difference. We need to support to push for the Transparency Act and release the
Epstein files. Please reach out to your Congress members and senators and urge them to support this crucial
legislation. The truth is something that we all deserve and it is vital for
safety and protection of a future of generations. Think about all the young people in your
life. Your daughters, your nieces, your friends. Let's stand together and ensure
that they grow up in a world where they are safe and valued. I often wondered
why did this happen to me? And then I realized God only gives you what you can handle.
I'm here for a purpose and that purpose is to make a difference today.
So, let's stand together to protect our children and our peace.
Thank you.
Good morning. Um, I want to say a few things before I begin. My speech may not
be great. It was thrown together last minute as I only came here uh decided
Friday when one of us who has spoken several times
decided she couldn't come because of the threats. She was too scared. So I want
to say when you threaten one of us, you're threatening all of us. Yep.
We are together now and that's never going to change.
This is me at 16 when I met Jeffrey Epstein.
Now I'll start. It is an honor to stand here before the
American people. However, I shouldn't have to stand here at all. I'm here because as a child, I was pulled into
Jeffrey Epstein's world. a world built on exploitation and manipulation of innocents and the protection of powerful
men and women who believed that they were untouchable. Today, we'd rather be preparing for the
holidays. We'd rather be at home with our families baking with our children and decorating the Christmas tree as we
try to move past this horrific moment that has impacted our entire adult lives.
However, that's not possible because it's become something it should have never been. Political and
sensationalized. The truth is simple. We were victimized as children and failed
repeatedly by the very system that was supposed to protect us. That's why we stand here today to demand justice and
accountability not just for Epstein and his crimes, but for every predator and
every enabler who participates in or protects abusers. The Epstein case was gravely mishandled
consistently and deliberately over many years. Epstein could have been stopped decades ago, but instead he was able to
continue his abuse, even during his sweetheart deal. Yes, with his ankle monitor on and beyond.
A deal that protected him and silenced us. While I was a child fighting to
survive what happened to us, federal prosecutors were negotiating ways to shield powerful adults.
And the failures didn't stop there. Our civil cases were met with hostile judges
and delay tactics, intimidation, and PR campaigns designed to smear us in the
public eye. We were treated as problems to be managed instead of victims to be protected.
Today, something has changed. Individually, our voices were whispers. Together, they've become impossible to
ignore. We are encouraged to see elected officials from both parties. Thank you.
Come together and finally take action to release the files.
I'll leave it there. Thank you. Good job.
Good morning. My name is Wendy and I'm standing here
today with a truth that still scares me to say out loud. I'm going to put this
down because I can't hold both as you guys saw. But that was me when I was 14
when I met Jeffrey Epstein. None of us here signed up for this political warfare. We never asked to be
dragged into battles between people who never protected us in the first place.
We are exhausted from surviving the trauma and then surviving the politics that swirl around it. When survivors
travel to speak, to advocate, to stand for the truth, we do it with our own
money, from our own pockets, carrying our own fear, shaking in our own bodies. There
is no team. There is no paycheck. It's just us hoping our voices make a
difference. And it puts a pit right in your stomach because you know you're standing on the right side of history.
But standing on the right side of history is not a comfortable place to be. It never has been. And in a sick,
heartbreaking way, it's an honor. An honor to show up. An honor to speak here. and an honor to stand in light
where when the world tried to keep us in the dark and what keeps me standing is
even with all this fear I have a 14-year-old daughter myself the same age I was and when I look at her I see the
little girl I used to be the one that no one protected my greatest fear in this
entire world is history repeating itself and I will do anything absolutely
anything to make sure that she has to never be one of these girls standing in
front of a crowd like this today in her life. So today, from the safest and
bravest places inside myself, I am asking Congress, please pass the bill. Please release the
records. Stop making survivors fight alone for the truth that should have
protected us in this first place. To the representatives that support us,
thank you. Thank you for standing beside survivors so we don't have to face this
fear alone. Thank you for choosing what is right over what is easy. And every
survivor who is scared right now, your fear is real. Your courage is real. And
even though we're terrified, we keep showing up because someone has to tell the truth. Someone has to protect these
children. We deserve safety then. We deserved it now. or we deserve it now
and we are done being afraid so others can stay comfortable. So with that I
want to say thank you guys for having us. Um, and I just hope that uh people
can remember that as survivors um your our story never
leaves us. But um the choice that you make to
pass this bill, your you career is in front of you and that choice will follow you. Everybody will know. So thank you.
Good job. Well said. You're incredible.
Hello everybody. My name is Danny Bensky. This was me at
17 years old.
Oh, I'm sorry. Coming from the dance world, I was
recruited in 2004 after a systematic breaking down where Epstein leveraged my mother's brain tumor scans. Um, he
threatened me to withhold care for her. He trapped me in a year-long cycle of abuse.
The last time I was here in Washington DC, I talked about being a part of this beautiful mosaic of women behind me. And
they are exactly that. They are a beautiful mosaic of energy and passion and love and life.
I am one story of a thousand. You think of that number, a thousand.
I spoke of how big our hopes and dreams once were. and I talked about how they
were completely shattered at the hands of Gilen Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein.
Now I look at this amazing community behind me. They are survivor sisters. We are
together. We stand together in this. And I realize that we are a representation
of women across America. We come from different backgrounds. We
have different religions. We are different races, different creeds, different ethnicities. We have different
political affiliations. Some of us don't want to be political at all. And yet, we stand here together for this cause.
We're united in the call for transparency. Complete transparency to find justice. Justice
for our younger selves. These pictures that you see, they're real people. I
wish I could go back and give my former self a hug and say this matters and it's going to change and mean it.
We are standing here for justice for the youth of tomorrow and justice for those
who are no longer with us like the beautiful brave Virginia Duprey.
We understand that the road is long but I implore you to stay the course please.
living in an age where you can get news in 10-second clips on your phone. I know that this is a big task for us. Um, but
it's a very personal one for survivors. It's a very personal one for us as a country. So, I'd like to ask you to try
something right now. I'd like you I'd like everybody to close their eyes or soften their gaze just for a moment. And
I want everybody to think of a child that is close to them between the ages of 14 and 18 years old. It could be your
daughter. It could be your niece. It could be a friend's kids. It could be you at a former age. It could be your
mother at a at that age. But really envision that for a second. 14 to 18 years old.
Once you think of that person, I want you to think about what they feel like. What is their energy? What do they smell like? What sound do they make when they
laugh? Really think about that child just for a moment.
Now, I want you to picture a pair of giant looming wooden doors and an overbearing marble landing. Those are
the doors to Jeffrey Epstein's house. Do you allow that child to enter or not? If the answer is yes, you would allow
entrance. You stand with predators. If the answer is no, then congratulations. You're on the right side of justice.
Now, you have homework. I I am calling for the American people. You have homework. Call your Congress
congressional leaders. Call your senators. Please support this bill. Let's get it all released. Thank
you very much.
Good morning. My name is Annie Farmer and this is a photo of me and my sister Maria Farmer
around the time I was 16 and she was 25. That's how old we were when we were abused by Epstein and Maxwell.
Survivor survivors have repeatedly stated that our pursuit of transparency and justice is a nonpartisan issue. But
given the political noise surrounding this case, I just want to remind people of some of the facts.
In 1996, when my sister Maria bravely blew the whistle on this group by
reporting to the FBI what Epstein and Maxwell did to both of us, they hung up on the the phone on her and there was no
follow-up of any kind. Bill Clinton was president. In 2006, the FBI came to us, finally
interviewed us, and asked us both to be witnesses against Epstein. We were very anxious, but we agreed. And then we
didn't hear back from them due to their infamous sweetheart deal. George W. Bush was president
in 2015 when the DOJ was sent foyer requests for Maria's FBI files and they
were denied as they have been many times. Barack Obama was president.
In 2019, when Epstein died in prison due to either negligence or foul play,
Donald Trump was president. In 2023, Maria's attorneys sent a letter
on her behalf to the government, requesting an investigation into the repeated law enforcement failures in
this case, similar to what was done in the case of Larry Nassar. They declined to do so. Consequently, my sister filed
notice that she would be suing the government for failing to uphold its legal, ethical, and moral duties in this
case. Joe Biden was president. This year, after campaigning on a pledge
to finally release the files under Trump's second presidency, the DOJ announced they were closing the
investigation into Epstein's co-conspirators and then transferred Gilen Maxwell into a prison camp where
it is well documented that she is receiving special treatment. This is not an issue of a few corrupt
Democrats or a few corrupt Republicans. This is a case of institutional betrayal.
Because these crimes were not properly investigated, so many more girls and women were harmed. My sister, because of
her bravery, was repeatedly threatened and lived in fear with dire consequences
for her health and her career. 30 years later, even as oceans of allegations and obvious truths have
emerged, the government has still not chosen transparency. This is why we have all come together as one united voice to
demand the release of all the Epstein files and to finally bring the truth out of the shadows.
Yes.
Ladies and gentlemen, esteemed members of Congress and everyone gathered here today.
I want to start by thanking the three of you. Thank you.
Um it takes a lot of bravery to do what you're doing. We hear you. We see you.
Means a lot for you to be here with us. and I know my sister would be incredibly proud. This is the moment she was fighting for and the moment that all
survivors are fighting for. So, thank you. My name is Sky Roberts
and I stand before you as the brother of Virginia Roberts Du Fray,
a warrior, a mother and a sister whose legacy will forever resonate in the
hearts of those who understand the fight against injustice. Today we find ourselves in a place of
deep sorrow, shattered by the loss of our beloved sister.
Yet, we are are honored and privileged to carry her voice forward and continue
her relentless fight alongside her fellow survivor sisters.
Virginia's story is one that should have been filled with promise, but instead it became a harrowing tale of exploitation
and survival. At just 16 years old,
she took a job at Mara Largo, believing she had secured a dream summer position.
But that dream quickly morphed into a nightmare when Gla Maxwell prayed upon her innocence.
This isn't just a story of one girl. It's a story about the insidious nature of power and abuse. A dark chapter in
our society that must be told. Virginia was no stranger to trauma. In
her memoir, Nobody's Girl, she shares the painful truth that she had already suffered abuse at the hands of our
father and a family friend.
But what happened next was unfathomable. Epstein and Maxwell didn't just abuse
her. They trafficked her to a network of the rich and powerful. Princes, prime
ministers, politicians, financiers, and lawyers.
These men committed unspeakable acts against her, against her will, and
against the will of countless survivors who stand united with us today.
Virginia's strength was tested in many ways that most of us can hardly imagine.
She was manipulated, coerced, and threatened, forced into complicity and
her own devastation. She often spoke of psychological scars that ran deeper than the physical ones.
From the start, she wrote, "They manipulated me into participating
in behaviors that ate away at me, eroding my ability to comprehend reality and preventing me from defending myself.
The most destructive wound they inflicted was that of forced complicity, a betrayal of self that was crafted by
her abusers. But I stand here today to declare that
their tactics of fear and intimidation did not work.
Virginia's spirit could not be broken. She became a beacon of hope,
a warrior, fighting not just for herself, but for every survivor who suffered in silence.
She said, "I felt it was my duty to stand up to predators like Epstein and
Maxwell. I would put my neck on the line to make sure my daughter never has to go
through what I had to endure." These survivors like Virginia have
transformed into mothers and strong women fierce in the face of adversity.
Many of them have daughters the same age they were when they faced their own abuse.
They are determined to break the cycle, to shatter the silence that has kept so many in the shadows.
Virginia quoted in her memoir. There I was, as the mother of three children, I
felt it was my duty to stand up to predators like Epstein and Maxwell.
I said I mentioned to Ellie in particular, her daughter,
I would put my neck on the line to make sure she never has to go through
what I had to go through. I said joining Edward's CV case
said I what I would want somebody to do for my daughter or sister and friend. In
the end, I said I was just trying to do the right thing. That's what I felt like I'm doing. I said,
I'm making a small dent in this big world
we live in.
Well,
you didn't just make a small dent.
You made a monumental impact, a resounding statement that echoed
across the world. You built an unbreakable wall, a barrier that will
protect future generations from the horrors of abuse.
As we gather here today, I urge each of you, members of Congress, advocates, and
all those who hear this message to join us in this fight. We demand justice,
accountability, and support for survivors. And we keep getting asked this. What
does justice mean, you ask? It starts with acknowledgement. That's the first
step. Acknowledge in the face of survivors that this happened and that this is
true. Your vote carries that weight. My sister is not a political tool for
you to use. These survivors are not political tools for you to use. These are real stories,
real trauma, and it's time for you to stop just talking about it and act. Vote
yes. Yes.
Amen. Virginia's legacy is not just hers. It belongs to all of us who stand against injustice. Together, we will
ensure that the voices of survivors are heard, that the truth prevails, and that the horrors of the past are never
repeated. Thank you. Thank you for listening and thank you for standing with us.
Together, we will not let Virginia's fight be in vain. Together, we will not let the predators win. Together, we will
be the change this world desperately needs. Thank you.
So beautiful.
This is me when I met Jeffrey Epstein in 1991.
I always share the date when I talk about my story because people rarely
rarely acknowledge how long this has actually been going on.
And for too long, truth has been buried, survivors have been silenced, and powerful people have been protected.
And today we stand in a moment that will decide whether our government still belongs to the American people
or to those who pray on them. Because when mountains of evidence and decades of victim reports across five
administrations still lead to sweetheart deals or no prosecution
at all, this isn't just one case gone wrong.
It's an institutional failure on a historic scale and every member of Congress and this administration must
answer for that failure. Millions of sexual abuse survivors know
the pain of speaking up and watching the institutions that are meant to protect them look away. We We're not alone in
this. Epstein may be the headline, but the betrayal reaches every corner of our
country. And if our justice system
can collapse this completely for so long, then Congress cannot pretend that
the system is working. Not for us and not for the generations
that will live with the consequences of what they choose. Now,
one long overdue step towards repairing this damage is the Epstein Files
Transparency Act. Because without transparency, there's no accountability.
Without accountability, there is no justice. And without justice,
democracy dies. Yes. So, representatives, you have a choice
to show millions of Americans whether you stand with us or with the powerful predators that are
counting on your complicity. Thank you. Yeah. Good job.
Good morning. This is me.
This was me. My name is Charlene Roshard and I stand
before you today not as a victim of rumor or conspiracy,
but as a survivor of Jeffrey Epstein's abuse.
Far too long, survivors like me have been dismissed, silenced, are told that
our pain was exaggerated or fabricated.
Let me be clear. This is not a hoax.
Yes, it's not. What we endured was real
and it has scarred lives across five presidential administrations.
The truth has been buried in sealed files and hidden records for far too
long. The Epstein Files Transparency Act is
not just about survivors. It's about America itself.
How can we keep America great if the principles the nation was founded on
that power belongs to the people is not protected?
No one, no matter how wealthy and well-connected, stands above the law. If
we cannot face the truth, then we betray the very ideals that defines us as a
country. By passing this act, Congress has the chance to prove that truth matters more
than privilege. Yes. That justice matters more than influence.
And that America has the courage to confront even the most uncomfortable
realities. This is not just about survivors. It's
about every American who believes in accountability, fairness, and the promise of justice.
I stand here today not only for myself, but for every survivor of Jeffrey
Epstein's abuse who has carried this burden in silence and for every citizen
who believes that justice delayed is justice denied.
I want to thank Representatives Ro Connor and Thomas Massie for standing
with us. Thank you. And I especially
want to thank Representative Marjgerie Taylor Green.
Her unwavering support, her courage to stand with us and demand transparency
gives us strength. Thank you. It shows that this fight for
accountability is bigger than politics. It's about humanity, justice, and truth.
This is about America's future. It's about whether we, the people, will
be heard when we have the courage to stand for truth and justice.
Our voices are real. Our pain is real.
And our demand for justice will not be silenced. Thank you.
Amen. Hello.
Good for you, girl. You did.
My name is Laura Bloom McGee. This is my first time speaking publicly about my
abuse. As a one young woman in New York City, I was pursuing a modeling career
and building a life of giving back through my philanthrop. Instead, I was intentionally groomed and became part of
an international model sex trafficking ring that led was led by Jeffrey
Epstein. I was sexually and mentally abused by Jeffrey Epste. He used my dreams and vulnerabilities to silence
me. Today, I am here to break that silence.
Sex trafficking and sexual abuse are crimes against human beings,
not political talking points. For too long, Epstein's abuse was an open secret
with his network remained protected. Evil thrives in darkness. We must shine
a light on every corner where it hides. Nothing should be off limits in the search for truth.
Please vote that everything in the files be released. Let investigations proceed without
obstruction. Demand oversight and deliver justice. The government must
never side with predators. I come as one survivor, but I stand here
for everyone who prayed for me, who believed in me, and who hoped for me. To my fellow survivors, your courage
brought me here. We are more than victims. We are mothers, daughters, sisters, friends. This is not a hoax and
we will not be erased. Shame on any elected official who obstructs truth and
justice for the American people. Thank you. Amen. Yeah, girl.
My name is Liz Stein. In 1994, I was a senior in college, just
21 years old. I had aspirations of attending law school after graduation
and it looked like I had a bright future and had ahead of me. 1994 was also the
year I met Gileain Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein. My involvement with them
changed the trajectory of my entire life. The Epstein files are not about loyalty
to any one political party. They're evidence of a crime.
We stand here today, victims of the crime of sex trafficking.
I'm here today speaking both for my 21-year-old self and for the countless
number of people who have experienced sexual violence.
When I am asked what I would tell my younger self if I could say something, I say that I would tell myself to tell
someone. And if they don't listen, to tell someone else and to just keep telling
until someone listens. And even if nobody listens to you, you should be
proud of yourself because you stood in your uncomfortable truth when others
could not. And that is true bravery.
We stand here today as survivors, part of a sorority that none of us asked
to join. We have told our stories over and over and over.
Now it's time to see who was listening. We ask that you vote to release the
files, all of them, so the victims of this crime can finally see justice.
Thank you. Amen. Yes. Good boy, girl.
Well, hello everyone and I want to first say thank you uh for your ongoing
leadership. I know it must not uh be easy thing to do uh much like it's not
easy for us to be doing this. So, I guess we're in this together. So, thank you so much. I I feel like our courage
has, you know, we're reflecting mirroring courage because that's what it takes to do this, right?
So, this was me at uh 22 years old. I was not a child technically
uh very young adult. I imagine most of you here can relate to the mindset and
uh to be 22 years old. So today is a good day and I thank God
for that. It's widely and undeniably political uh
clear that our current political climate is quite rigid
and seemingly at war with one another.
This sets it sets a stage. This sets a stage for voices,
survivor voices to get spoken over and drowned out
by the political darts whizzing by. Not today, though.
Today our truth and our power have steadily risen up.
We are at the peak. Our voices prevail today.
Our voices initiated the coming together of both political parties.
That's pretty big. I think Republicans and Democrats,
we all stand together today. We all stand together for justice,
and we must continue to do so to protect the integrity of our country and our
democracy. Truth and justice must prevail. The
children today are those that will lead this nation one day.
Think about that. What does that mean to each of you?
If anyone doubts that this does not directly contribute
to the fate of our country and democracy, I challenge you and I urge you to think
again. Our voices are a fundamental pillar
of future generations. today. That's what we stand here for.
Accountability, action, and justice.
Let's get this vote done today.
Let's send it through the Senate and straight to President Trump's desk
for signing. I'd like to be there that day that he signs. I'm sure all of us would like to
be there.
Today is a good day and let's keep moving forward.
Thank you so much. Give you a hug. Okay. Hey guys, we're actually pressed for
time. So, we are not going to be taking questions going further. I bring back Roana. He's going to do closing ar
closing conversation and comments. Well, thank you, Hilly. Teresa is right.
It's pretty big what the survivors have accomplished today. And I just want to
say how eloquent, strong, and admirable
they were. Let's give them a round of applause for their courage.
Thomas and Marjorie and I will take a few questions from
Speaker is basically right now calling on the Senate to make revisions to this bill because he says it doesn't
adequately protect the survivors, the victims that are standing behind you. Your response to that?
That's been a red herring all along. uh the survivors have always been in favor of this legislation and there's a
provision in there you can read if if he would just read it that protects them. Now if he wants to offer more
protections in the Senate that that's fine with us but here's the problem now we have to vote on it again in the House
and so as you heard justice delayed is justice denied. I it could be just another delay tactic, but we want to
Is that what you think? That's the motivation from I think I think the speaker uh wants to
save face. He's going to vote for a piece of legislation today that he's disparaged for four months and if
however he needs to come on board, we want him on board. So we appreciate that.
Go ahead. Go ahead. I wonder what do you say today to Andrew Mbat Winds of the
man formerly known as Prince Andrew. Well, you know, there's becoming a
reckoning in Britain that needs to happen in the United States. A prince lost his title. The ambassador to the
United States lost his job. We need to see those same kind of consequences here. As my colleague Rose said, there
shouldn't be buildings named after these perpetrators of these heinous crimes. There shouldn't be scholarships named
after them and there needs to be accounting. We've seen tens of thousands of pages released by the oversight
committee. What we've not seen is a single name. So I implore you to to look
and see if we really have true justice and transparency here. And the survivors the survivors will know when that has
happened. And I do I do think that uh Prince Andrew does need to come and testify at our oversight committee and that can be
bipartisan. But I share Thomas's view that the urgency that the British people
have shown in uh getting justice needs to inspire an urgency here in America.
You don't need legislation. You don't need legislation. You don't need legislation to to get the files
released. President Trump could just release them today. Is that frustrating for you? Why isn't he doing that? And also, did you ask him to be here today?
It's a really powerful moment in this Look, I I I'll let my colleague speak. I I hope the president meets the survivors
and I hope when he signs the bill the survivors are there. I don't care if I'm there, Thomas Massie is there,
Representative Green's there, but the survivors should be there. But I look and I hope he meets them because I think if anyone who meets them
and sees their emotion will be moved and my my goal is to get justice here. So I
hope uh he will meet them and really hear what's happened and and and
actually take action. But the broader point is yes, the president could order the Justice Department to release the
files. But what in a constitutional democracy, what we're supposed to have is Congress says that the file should be
released and then it's not on the whim of any president. Then the Justice Department is compelled to release those
files because that's the law of the land. Have you spoken to any Republicans in
the Senate who are looking to, you know, move this forward? So Senator Mkeley is a Democrat. He's
led the exact same legislation that Ro and I introduced in the House. One Republican co-sponsored his bill
yesterday, and I've have spoken to at least one more who says they will co-sponsor. The important thing about
the Senate is that they need not to muck this bill up. We've there's a lot of
attention on here. We've needlessly spent four months dragging this out. a representative, a duly elected
representative was denied her seat in Congress for 49 days, and it's time to
pull the band-aid off. The Senate, you know, it may be tempting for them to get cute and to do things um that will limit
the release of these documents. They are afraid that people will be embarrassed. Well, that's the whole point here. They
need to be brought to justice, and embarrassment is no reason to stop it. So, the Senate, John Thun, it's up to
him. He needs to bring this to the floor of the Senate and I think the the vote
today will show that in the House and the and the president look the president has said he would sign the bill. You're going to get almost a
unanimous vote here. So you have the president and a unanimous Congress uh
believing that this is protects the survivors and is calling for the release. There's no reason for the
Senate now uh to as Representative Massie puts it muck around with it. They need to put it up, have a vote, have the
president sign it. Uh if there's any further protections, they they can do that through the the DOJ process. But
what they should not do is delay a vote on a bill that the House is going to vote overwhelmingly for and that the
president supports on the release of these files. Congresswoman Green, you raised the question of whether or not the Justice
Department will actually release these files. Do you take the president at his word when he says he's going to sign
this bill? Do you have confidence that these files will actually be released? I only take people's actions seriously,
no longer words. And what do you think the president's and I'll I'll tell you cuz I'm I wasn't
a Johnny come lately to the MAGA train. I was day one 2015 and there's a big
difference in those Americans and those that that decided to support President
Trump later on. And I'll tell you right now, this has been one of the most destructive things to MAGA is watching
the man that we supported early on three elections
for people that stood hours, slept in their cars to go to rallies.
um have fought for truth and transparency and and to hold what we
consider a corrupt government accountable. Watching this actually turn into a fight has ripped MAGA apart. And
um the only thing that will speak to the powerful, courageous women behind me is
when action is actually taken to release these files. and the American people
won't tolerate any other That's where we are today.
There'll be two more questions and then we're around all day. Is this is this a a watershed? How would you sum up today in terms of your battle
to get to the truth? I would say that these survivors have been fighting for decades and they
finally are being heard by the American people and we're finally going to have a
reckoning uh for this Epstein class that has gotten away with horrific things.
Look, I I grew up in in in Bucks County, Pennsylvania. People went to church. They played little league. They went to
their neighbors for barbecue. They didn't go to a rape island and abuse young girls or traffic young girls. and
people with extreme wealth uh have thought that the laws don't apply to them and their culture is totally out of
touch with the values that built America and finally we're going to have a reckoning. How worried are you take the lady here?
Let me ask you this. You said you wanted this to go straight to the Senate. What message does it send to the survivors behind you if the Senate doesn't act
quickly to move this bill forward? Well, they're not they're not going to answer questions, so I'll answer a
question. Uh I prefer actually it goes straight to the president. He can release these files without the Senate
acting. Sometimes they take a long time to get things done. The House figured out four four a way to take four months
to get this done. Uh I think it's disrespectful to the survivors if they delay this. There's nothing more
important than cleaning out the rot in this country and this is rot and it's not a
partisan issue and the senators need to get on this. Yes, the economy is important. Yes, international policy is
important. But there's nothing more important than getting to this rot and cleaning it out. They should put it at the top of their agenda
in the bill already that would allow the DOJ to not release certain information if it would jeopardize an active
investigation and the president just last week ordered his DOJ to conduct an investigation. What makes you think you
would actually if this bill passes see these files that the public would see them? There are s there are a thousand
survivors. They can't open enough investigations to cover up everything that's in these files. And yes, it's
true. They can try to protect a few certain people or a few certain companies, but those investigations will
eventually end. And in the meantime, they just there's not enough investigations to cover up a thousand
different crimes, a thousand different rapes, a thousand different sex trafficking instances. And this is not a
moot point, even though they are doing that. And once it once this bill is signed into law, any career official at
the DOJ or the FBI who does not comply with the law is at legal risk. It's no
longer just up to the president. Look, we we could have we could have passed a simple resolution here in the
House and that would have been the end of it. Instead, we chose a very hard path path which is to get legislation a
law passed which means it has to go through the house the senate and be presented to the president and that will
have the force of law they will be breaking the law if they do not release these files president has fought so hard
of these files why do you think he has fought so hard if he could do it now why hasn't he done it now
I I believe he's trying to protect friends and donors and by the way these aren't necessarily Republicans.
Once you get to a billion dollars, you s you transcend parties. You just assume
you can pay off whatever party is in charge of the White House, whatever party is in charge of the House of
Representatives. And u this is about those kinds of people. I think he's been
trying to protect them and I think it also incriminates our own government. This is a complete and total failure of
the justice system as the survivors have have witnessed here today to us. It
incriminates the FBI. It incriminates our intelligence agencies. It incriminates police departments in West
Palm Beach. And that's what has been protected by this either willfully or or
unknowingly. And it's time to end it. And I would agree with Representative Margaret Taylor Green that what matters
now is just the action. I don't speculate on what politicians motives are or what's in their heart. The point
is the American people have spoken. Congress has spoken. Release the files. It's time for justice. Thank you very
much. Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you. said on TV the other day and I love that you just said
how is it to hear the victim today how is it to hear the victim
Thank you so much. Thank you. You're with us. You're with us, right?
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Their lives are forever ruined. And I'm reading specifically from the petition's language that prohibited grounds for
withholding information, reputational harm.
Okay. understand. I resent the fact that there was not
room for good faith amendments. All right, sorry about that little technical issue. We are officially um
watching debate right now, which will preede the vote to release the Epstein files. So, that will happen momentarily.
I'm going to go full screen so you can listen to the debate. Again, this is going to preede the vote on the Epstein
files. So, this is all happening right now. and uh and we'll go full screen here. Of the 152 women in this body, that
means 51 women. It includes your daughters, your sisters, your nieces,
your mothers. And with the Epstein files, we have a chance to change that. But real talk, the administration
doesn't need a discharge petition. It has not complied with the subpoena and it has the power to release the files
today. Instead, the man in the most powerful position in the world has used the full weight of the government to
block and obfuscate and deflect the full release of the files. It is the same person who intimidated female members of
Congress to withdraw names from the petition, who responded quiet piggy to a female reporter who asked about the
files and who nominated an alleged sexual predator to be our AG. It is the same person whose name appears more than
any other in the Epstein emails. And in the pantheon of violence, a sexual predator is the worst of the worst. So
why protect him? It's also curious that the judiciary is managing this debate and has not even had this come before
the committee. I wonder why. Release the files now. We reserve. The gentleman reserves. The
gentleman from Ohio is recognized. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I yield two minutes to the uh gentleman from Texas,
Mr. Roy. Uh chairman of the Constitution Subcommittee. The gentleman from Texas is recognized.
I thank the chairman. Today, a United Republican Party in a bipartisan supermajority is going to pass a bill to
increase transparency regarding the egregious abuses by Jeffrey Epstein, a goal that anyone of conscience desires.
That is in totality an important statement to check the rich and the powerful. Remember how we got here?
After decades, it was President Trump's Department of Justice that indicted Jeffrey Epstein in July of 2019. It was
President Trump's DOJ that arrested and indicted Miss Maxwell. It was the Republican le oversight committee
through 13 subpoenas that has released 65,000 pages of files in just 10 months.
Meanwhile, my colleagues on the other side of the aisle have largely ignored this issue. It was Democrats who redacted an email to mislead the
American people about the truth of a witness that exonerated President Trump. It was a Democrat, Representative Pacet,
who literally texted with Jeffrey Epstein as we questioned Michael Cohen. It was Democrats who shut down the
government, resulting in the delay of swearing in of members as we vote to pass this legislation, and it will pass.
It is impossible, however, to avoid problems with its politiciz politicization.
One colleague has offensively gone so far as to say that to oppose this bill means you support pedophiles. Yet I know
good public servants, former law enforcement, former prosecutors who never knew Epstein, never knew any
visitors to his criminal enterprise, who have genuine concerns about supporting this bill out of fear of creating new
victims or harming existing victims or both. That is what we've reduced Congress to, inserting itself into the
prosecutorial process for political motivations driven heavily. If I could just add one point here, Chip Roy
himself did not vote for the discharge petition to release the Epstein files. In fact, none of these Republicans other
than Thomas Massie, Nancy Mace, Margie Taylor Green, and Lauren Boowbert signed the discharge petition. So, it is so
funny to watch these people grandstand like they have some leg to stand on, like they have some moral superiority
here, virtue signal about about how it's the Democrats who are at fault. We have watched a 10month coverup that continued
up until a few days ago where we watched Trump summon Lauren Boowbert into the
situation room. Why? Because there is no recording in the situation room. The same room where where Barack Obama
watched Osama bin Laden get killed. That's where Lauren Boowbert was summoned to so that she would take her
name off the discharge petition because Adalita Graalva was just sworn in and would serve as the 218th vote. So the
notion that these Republicans would stand here and think that they have the moral high ground to lecture anybody
when it comes to the Epstein files. Chip Roy didn't say a word. None of these Republicans other than Thomas Massie
said a word while the Republicans were running this uh this this cover up on behalf of Donald Trump. Even Mike
Johnson today said, "Oh, we have some, you know, we have some real serious concerns. We hope uh uh John Thoon in
the Senate is going to take care of th those concerns because we we the Republicans are are very worried about
um protecting the victims, which is why we helped Donald Trump cover up accountability for those victims for 10
full months. And by the way, I asked Ro Kana in an interview just a couple of days ago about that exact
point, this idea that there wasn't adequate uh uh protection for the
victims. And Ro Kana said if there wasn't enough protection for the victims, the victims wouldn't have
supported this bill. The victims support the Kana Massie bill. And so if they
didn't feel protected, they wouldn't throw their support behind it. So again, all of this is completely backwards to
listen to these Republicans think that they have the moral high grounds on this issue. Suddenly,
after a month-long trial in Judge Nathan's courtroom, in 2022, Maxwell was sentenced to 20 years in
prison under the Biden administration for sex trafficking and sexual abuse of minors. But when President Trump took
office in January of 2025, they killed the investigation. They assembled all
the materials. They got all the prosecutors together and they terminated the investigation. I yield one minute to
the distinguished gentleman from Illinois, Mr. Roger Krishna Murthy. The gentleman from Illinois is recognized.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in strong support to release the Epstein files. First, this issue is beyond party. It's
a question of justice. Survivors have waited too long. Stop the delay. This is
not a hoax. Release the files. Second, we must face a hard truth. Silence that
shields the powerful is a betrayal of those. I'm telling you right now, this
will pass the House. It may very well pass the House unanimously. There will be probably at least a hundred
Republicans who vote for it on on the low end. But let me just say that when
this thing goes into the Senate, that's an opportunity to gum up the works because Jonth is going to put in new
protections and suddenly we're going to have to wait while it goes through the Senate process, goes back to the House,
everybody's going to have a problem with something. They're probably going to try to put in some poison pill in the Senate. Mark my words. And and that's
going to prevent people from the House voting for it, whatever it may be. That's one option for them to gum up the
works here. There's also the fact that just a few days ago, Trump went on to Truth Social and submitted a little
edict to Pam Bondi where he where he said, "Pam, I need you to investigate Reed Hoffman, Bill Clinton, Larry
Summers, JP Morgan Chase, and any other Democrat person or entity or institution
uh involved in the Epstein files. This is a Democrat problem, not a Republican part problem." And of course, Pam Bondi
uh you know uh um uh dutifully obliged as she always does
because she is an appendage of Donald Trump and has taken up uh uh residence in the protective warmth of his colon.
And so she emerged long enough to say yes, Mr. President, whatever you say,
Mr. President, you say jump, Mr. President. I say how high, Mr. President. And so Pam Bondi will open
that investigation when the House and the Senate hopefully uh releases votes
to release these files. Maybe even Trump signs it and then says, "Well, we want to release all the files." But of course, as you know, we can't because
there's an ongoing investigation, which I ordered. And so given the fact that
there's an ongoing investigation, we are limited in terms of which files we can actually release. And so, you know, you
know, we would love to release all the files, but our focus is transparency. And we have to get some transparency as
it relates to the Clintons and Reed Hoffman and Larry Summers. And so, we can't release everything. We just have
to release what we can release right now, which uh, you know, might be whatever, just some some nonsense
akin to what we've seen released by James Comr thus far, which is 97%
documents that we've already seen released. So that's a second way that the Trump administration could screw
this up. First being uh stop it in the Senate. Second being Trump to lean on
this idea that there's an ongoing investigation which he ordered and that's why we can't release all of the files because we have to protect the
sanctity of this ongoing investigation. And then of course Trump himself could could uh lean on Pam Bondi to to you
know act in a nefarious way to pre prevent the release of the files even if it gets that far. Uh, I asked Roana what
could be done to prevent Pam Bondi from messing with the files so that we don't,
you know, so that we can actually see what's in the files without worrying about it being being messed with. He
said that there are plenty of officials, plenty of victims who have seen the full files. And so if there is a release of
the files that don't include the full breadth of what is there, there will be people to call that out. And again, that
will that that's that's a calculation that Republicans are going to have to make because they have to decide whether
engaging in yet another further coverup of what has been a 10-month cover up is
really worth the negative press and the drip drip drip and the continued news cycles about this thing. Even
Republicans here seem exhausted over the fact that seem exhausted over the fact
that they have to talk about this and their entire brand is getting is devolving into pedophile protectors. I
mean, at the end of the day, like that's what we're talking about here 10 months into the Trump administration. You know that they want to talk about anything
but this, but they can't because they can't stop themselves from covering up for a pedophile ring here. And so if you
think these people want to continue talking about this, that's a big calculation they're going to have to make in terms of whether they want to
actually cover this up once it comes time to release the files because then it's not just one and done. Then it's
more news cycles, more days, more weeks, more months talking about why they're suppressing certain files, what do those
pieces of papers say? What do those investigations say? Who's being uh protected in that trunch of information
uh that the Trump administration won't allow to be released? So they have to decide here recognizing that there are
people in this space who know exactly what's in those files whether they want to play play games and be cute and not
release the full breadth of what exists there. So a few things just to consider as this Trump administration uh
continues to to barrel forward with this. The gentleman reserves. The gentleman from Ohio is recognized.
Uh thank you, Mr. Speaker. I yield two minutes to the distinguished gentleman from New Jersey, Mr. Van Drew. The gentleman from New Jersey is recognized.
Today I want to talk about hypocrisy. Let me be clear. I was from Jumpstart a
co-sponsor of this very bill from the beginning. We should never protect pedophile.
Didn't sign on to the discharge petition. Vandrew not not signed onto
the discharge petition. But let's hear about how he's got the moral high ground here. They say releasing the Epstein list is
of grave concern to him. If that was true, where were they during the four years of the Biden presidency? Why
didn't they demand the release of these files from Jumpstart? I can answer that question.
The Galain Maxwell prosecution was going on until 2021. Then she immediately
appealed her conviction. That didn't end until 2025. In a pre-Trump world, a pre-Weeponized
DOJ world, that is enough to preclude the DOJ from coming out and discussing an ongoing investigation or an ongoing
prosecution. It was Gain Maxwell's conviction that Biden's DOJ was working on while he was president. So, the
notion that the Biden administration didn't do anything on Galain Maxwell is a joke. They were literally prosecuting
her. and in the midst of an ongoing prosecution when Van Drew and these other Republicans are saying that they
should have released these files. Again, they're not going to release files in the midst of an ongoing investigation.
Speaker, it is impossible to see that as genuine. What I see is a group more focused on scoring political points and
drama than a protecting abused children. The record is clear. under Republicans.
Far more information has been released in the last six months than was done during all four years of the previous
presidency under Joe Biden. We've actually been the party of transparency.
We've released the information. We've told the truth, unfortunately, and I'm sad to say it, they have been the party.
We've been the party of transparency. Again, Donald Trump dragged Lauren Boowart into the situation room to get
her to remove her name from the discharge petition because he was so desperate not to allow this discharge
petition to ripen and for this vote right here to happen. The notion that these people are these champions for
transparency, champions for accountability is so farical. It almost
makes you think that like that that they believe any all of the that
they spew to go up there into and say that into a microphone has refused to do so calling this a
hoax. We're here because Speaker Mike Johnson and President Trump have gone to extraordinary lengths to try to kill and
delay the discharge petition, including refusing to seat Adalita Ghalva for over 40 days and threatening House
Republicans who signed on. Now, several of my Republican colleagues have accused those of us House Democrats who support
justice here of having Trump derangent syndrome. You all suffer from something much worse, which is pedophile
protection syndrome. Stop protecting pedophiles. Release the Epstein files. The victims deserve justice. I yield
back. We reserve. Members are reminded to direct their comments to the chair.
The gentleman from Maryland reserves. The gentleman from Ohio is recognized. We reserve.
The gentleman from Ohio reserves. The gentleman from Maryland. I'm granting uh yielding 30 seconds to
my friend, Representative Walkinshaw from Virginia. The gentleman's recognized. For years, Mr. Speaker, we have watched
dangerous conspiracies like Pizzagate and QAnon shape our political landscape.
They helped fuel the rise of President Trump and were built on baseless claims about secret pedophile rings. While the
real documented case of child sex trafficking involving Jeffrey Epstein
remains shrouded in secrecy because President Trump refuses to release the
files. What is President Trump hiding? Why won't he release the files? The
House finally has the opportunity to act. Release the files and let the American people truth. I yield back.
The gentleman yields back. We reserve. The gentleman reserves. The gentleman from Ohio is recognized. We reserve. Gentleman reserves. The
gentleman from Maryland is recognized. Granting 30 seconds to the very distinguished gentle lady who is finally
with us. Representative Adalita Grahalva from Arizona 7. The gentle lady is recognized.
Thank you. Uh Mr. Speaker, I rise today to acknowledge the survivors, family members, and advocates who are here
today and have never given up. The legislation in front of us at its core is about something very simple. The
survivors deserve justice. The American people deserve the truth. To every survivor watching, your courage is
inspiring. You are the reason why this vote is happening today. Protecting women and children from pedophiles
should not be a democratic issue. Should not be a Republican issue. It should be a human rights issue and a matter of
justice. I urge my colleagues to vote yes on the transparency act. I yield back. Thank you.
Thank you. And we reserve. The chair will remind all persons in the
gallery that they they are here as guests of the house and that any manifestation of approval or disapproval
of proceedings is in violation of the rules of the house. The gentleman from Maryland.
Yeah. But I'll just add they're here as honored guests of the house and we're delighted they're here and with that we
reserve. The gentleman reserves. The gentleman from Ohio is recognized. We reserve. The gentleman reserves. The gentleman from Maryland. Uh, I'm granting 30
seconds to Representative Lois Franco from Florida. The gentle lady from Florida is recognized.
Mr. Speaker, for far too long, the survivors of Jeffrey Epstein's abuse were failed by a justice system that
minimized their suffering and prosecutors who treated young girls as if they were criminals. That was wrong.
And I am here with my colleagues to promise this. We will get to the bottom of why the Epstein survivors were
treated so badly, who made those decisions, and who were they protecting. No more secrecy, no more excuses. We all
deserve the truth, and I thank the survivors for their courage and perseverance. Your voices are being
heard. The gentle lady yields back. The gentleman, we reserve reserves the balance of his time. The gentleman from
Ohio. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I yield one minute to the distinguished gentleman from the great state of Louisiana, the speaker of the United States House of
Representatives. Mr. Gentleman from Louisiana is recognized. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Chairman Jordan, for doing such an
extraordinary job on all of this. For 43 long days, the Democrats held this house
and the entire country hostage. Finally, with the lights back on, this body is returning to our regular legislative
session. We have a lot of work to do. My colleagues on this side of the chamber are ready and eager to get back to our
urgent legislative work that we promised the American people we would do. We've got to continue lowering the cost of healthcare. We've got to bring down
prices for American families. And we got to finish the regular appropriations process, just to name a few of those
priorities. And I wish I could say that our first order of business would be to get to those urgent priorities. But of
course, we're here spending time on the floor about something else. This is something we could have resolved last week when we brought unanimous consent
to pass this discharge with the full support of the body. But our friends over here who are arguing today stalled
that. They objected to it and they wanted to have Do you know why the Democrats blocked unanimous consent? Because they wanted
every single lawmaker on record being forced to vote yes or no on this discharge petition. They wanted to take
the easy way out because they are constantly looking to defend or protect their members who in turn are looking to
defend or protect pedophiles. Get these people on record. Unanimous consent is a joke. Get these people individually on
record having to vote for this thing. Very young. And it is a heroic service to the country. They are they are
seeking justice and the justice has been delayed for too long. The Department of Justice many years ago should have
brought these charges. It took too long to do it. and and now we're in this process of making sure all the American
people get the the information, but we have to do it in the right way. The right way. After four years of
Democratic control under President Biden, they were not truthful with us about a lot of things. The Democrats
insisted the border was secure. We knew it wasn't. They submit they insisted that uh inflation was transitory. We
knew it wouldn't be. They misled the American people about the obvious mental and physical decline of the previous
commander-in-chief. And now those same Democrats are demanding transparency. Suddenly transparency is their new word.
Out of nowhere, they've taken a curious concern in the Epstein investigation. All in the name of that, in the name of
transparency. But the question has been asked here many times during the debate on the floor. And everybody questioning
why it is the Democrats have done this right now have to look at the obvious facts. The Democrats had all the Epstein
files in their possession for four long years under the Biden presidency. The Biden Department of Justice had these
files, and no one on this side, who is breathless today about the urgency of this release, ever said a word about it.
And it was the Democrats who could have urged President Biden's Department of Justice to go beyond prosecuting just
Epstein and Gelain Maxwell, but they didn't do it. And so, it's a fair question to ask today. Why now? Why the
sudden urgent interest in Jeffrey Epstein? Look, we know why. It's because the Democrats were never interested in
transparency or executing justice or protecting the victims of this unspeakable tragedy before. The simple
truth is obvious for everybody to see. This is a political exercise for Democrats. And it pains me to say it. I
I I wish that was not the truth, but it is, and it's undeniable. This is as deceitful
and dishonest as their pointless stunt was to shut the government down. Democrats are using the Epstein tragedy,
the unspeakable evils that this guy committed with his trafficking ring and all of the the abuses that they that
they made these young women go through. They're using that as a political weapon to try to distract from their failures
as a party and and to try their best to try, you know, the the irony of Mike Johnson
lamenting all of the the the terrible things that have happened to these girls
is that he was the sole impediment in the house to making sure that they got the justice that he's pretending that he
wants to to deliver to them. He was the sole impediment to the house. He kept the house out of session early. kept
that refused to allow Adalita Grahalva to be sworn in for over a month. The
longest I I believe the longest time that we've had a a representative elect out of office. He is the reason that
that there is no transparency and there is no accountability. So for him to stand there and claim uh that this is
that this is the fault of the Democrats who have been united and who even brought over Republican defectors like
Thomas Massie, Lauren Boowbert, Margie Taylor Green, Nancy Mace while he was the one blocking it is is fully fully
indicative fully uh uh uh uh a testament to the shamelessness that these people trafficed for us Epstein's own personal
flight logs, his financial records, his daily calendars, and so much more. But importantly, none of that was addressed
or is addressed in the legislation that's being voted on today. The the estate files wouldn't even been
encompassed in that. And so, it goes to show that the oversight committee is doing it from the right way. From the
very beginning, we've been insistent that this matter be handled carefully and with the utmost caution and cons and
and care for the people who have been harmed. They should not be made to suffer any longer. We're talking about
real people's lives at stake here and young victims who don't want to be dragged into this political game that
could get hurt further. But the Democrats are rushing the release of thousands of unsubstantiated documents
that may be included in this that are going to be in the public domain with the passage of this bill. And there are serious deficiencies in the legislation
that I have noted at length and Republicans have to work to address those deficiencies in the Senate if and
when this legislation is advanced. I stood before the American public today at our press conference and I explained
in detail the the dangers of the discharge petition. We we have posted at at my
website speaker.gov a summary the the the legal council a small army of lawyers put this together. I used to be
a federal court litigator. Many of my colleagues who spoken today were. We understand the dangers of how this was haphazardly drawn up. And among them, by
the way, Mr. Speaker, before I forget, I seek unanimous consent to enter into this document into the record. It is
that it's on the website. It's entitled, "How the flaws of HR4405 Could
revictimize Epstein's victims, create new victims, and damage the judicial system." It is dated today.
Thank you. And it and it summarizes just five or six of the major concerns, among them, it fails to fully protect victim
privacy. It could create new categories of victims. It potentially jeopardizes grand jury secrecy. It fails to prohibit
release of child sexual abuse materials that are not appropriately defined in the legislation. It jeopardizes future
federal investigations and we have national security concerns regarding classified information. We'll put this
in the record because we need the legislative record to reflect what is the legislative intent behind this vote.
I used to litigate cases. We would litigate uh federal statutes and whether or not they could survive. And
legislative intent is important. And we need to say clearly for the record as a speaker of house I'm saying to you this legislation that will pass today is
flawed and it must be amended. The question is why didn't we amend it here before we passed it because the authors
won't allow it because under the rules of the house under a discharge petition they have to agree to consent for the
the legislation to be amended and they're not doing that. So now we rely upon our partners in the other chamber to get that done and they need to do
that. The victims deserve our utmost respect. In fact, they should be saluted for their courage. And the young women
who have not come forward, who are now, some of them are middle-aged women who have not come forward, also deserve our
respect. And they they deserve to be protected. Republicans support transparency. We want maximum transparency, especially when it comes
to disclosing the names of anybody who had anything to do with these evils, anybody who conspired with or aided in
any way, Jeffrey Epstein, they must be brought to justice. We we want the bill to be amended so it doesn't in the at
the same time violate victim privacy, create new victims, disclose the names of it doesn't violate victim privacy, which
is why all of the victims support this bill. I asked this exact question to Roana because Mike Johnson's been
bringing this up constantly. He's using this to plant the seed as a pretext to be able to ask John Thoon in the Senate
to block the bill because he's saying there's not enough protections for the victims. The victims themselves, the
survivors themselves support the bill as it's written. It was written with them in mind. Again, looking for any excuse
to be able to screw up this thing later down the line. I expect that this will be a unanimous vote and it will reflect what I think
every member in this chamber, and I'll say this now, at least in recent days, every member of the chamber on the
Democrat side, they didn't say anything for four years, but they're for maximum transparency now, and so is this side. But we want to do it in a respectful and
and careful manner so that we don't subject innocent people to further harm.
And that has been the whole thing. I told all my members today I'll be voting yes on this and I suspect almost everyone will. We'll send it to the
Senate and we hope it's corrected. Thank you for the time, Mr. Speaker, and I yield back. See, when he says he hopes it's
corrected, what he's looking to do is to is to delay this thing like he's been doing the whole time. Remember, the only
reason we haven't seen this is because Mike Johnson unilaterally has positioned himself as a barrier to the passage of this bill. So now he's saying, "Oh,
there's not enough protections for the survivors." Even though, by the way, all of the survivors support this bill and were involved in the bill's uh ushering
in ushering through this bill to the point where it is right now. But he's laying the foundation for John Thoon to
be able to say, "Oh, we got to we got to change some things in this bill. Will they put poison pills in the bill in the
Senate when they try to pass it back to the House? Who knows? Will it get delayed further and further and further
so that Trump can try to figure out some way to block it? Who knows? Will they eventually just say, "Oh yeah, it's
making its way through the Senate. Now it's got to come back to the House because the the Senate has fixed it. But meanwhile, Pam Bondi's open opened an
investigation into Bill Clinton, so we can't release anything because there's an ongoing investigation. And who knows when that investigation is going to end.
So do not believe these people when they offer an inch and pretend that they are
some uh uh champions for transparency.
6 minutes 15 seconds. take 30 his. We reserve.
Gentleman reserve. Gentleman from Maryland is recognized. Um I'll take the opportunity of the speaker's presence to respond to some of
the things that he said in the very presence of the victims and the survivors who come to join us today. The
speaker said that now would be a time we should be working on urgent legislative work. Mr. Speaker, justice is urgent
legislative work. The truth is urgent legislative work.
The speaker says, "Why now? Why now?" Well, Mr. Speaker, you were the one who refused to swear in Adelita Grahava for
50 days. We would have done it 50 days ago, but she provided the 218th signature on the discharge petition. So,
why now? It was because of your dilatory tactics, your delay, your postponement
of it. Now, uh the the gentleman says that they're not sufficient protections.
their protections in the bill for the victims to make sure that their names will be redacted. And yet we hear even
the speaker of the house of representatives openly inviting the US Senate to start fingerpainting on this
bill which we have waited more than 5 months to bring to the floor. The Senate
should pass the bill exactly as it's written. The president should sign it exactly as he said he would when he
finally changed his mind. And the Epstein file must be released. Moreover,
if the president is serious about what he's saying, he's got the power to release the Epstein file right now.
Nobody's stopping him. It's within his possession. It's within his control. He can release the whole thing and he can
react redact the names of the victims and others uh who are innocent um in
this process. Mr. Speaker
Speaker Johnson said that these are unspeakable evils. Well, because of the
bravery and the invincible courage of the women who've joined us today, they're no longer unspeakable.
They're spoken. They're articulated. The cat is out of the bag. And we know
what's been going on for decades. It's been a double standard of justice going all the way back to Alex Acasta who
later got rewarded with a cabinet appointment in the Trump administration. Alex Acasta had a 60count federal
indictment ready to go against all kinds of people for an interstate sex
trafficking conspiracy with solicitation with child sex abuse all of it. and he
traded that 60count federal indictment for one count in state court. And
Jeffrey Epstein ended up getting the sweetest of sweetheart deals ever on the
plea bargain front. He was free from 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. to do whatever he
wanted in continuing to perpetrate his crimes and run his conspiracy. And then
he would come and he would watch TV and spend the night in jail. And it was over in about a year
after the rape and sexual abuse of hundreds and hundreds of girls. And he kept going and he kept at it. We want
the whole truth to come out. This is the United States of America. Even the
British monarchy wouldn't put up with this. How about the American democracy? How about we say, "No way. We're not
going to allow this cover up to go on for one day more." And I'm glad the president changed his mind after pulling
out all the stops to try to get uh one of our Republican colleagues to change
their mind to remove their name from the discharge petition. He gave up. And I
want to salute the gentle lady from Colorado from having the courage to stand her ground in the situation room
in the White House and say no, she wasn't going to be bullied. No. So, um,
I'm glad the president changed his mind, but let's be clear, Mr. President, you've got the power today to release
the entire file. That's what you called for. That's what Pam Bondi called for. That's what Cash Patel called for. So,
we don't need anybody calling for the Senate to slow things down for more weeks and more months. The American
people have had it. Will reserve. Gentleman reserves. gentleman's that that's the irony of this whole
process like this this is a dog and pony show given the fact that Trump could release them right now like when Trump
says oh yeah I'll sign it if it makes its way through the house and the Senate why why even go through these steps why
not just tell tell Pam Bondi today right now release the files if he is actually
for transparency which he claims to be that he doesn't need to wait for the house to vote he doesn't need to wait
for the Senate to vote he can just do All of this, this is to circumvent his obstruction.
Proud to work with my Republican colleagues on the House Oversight Committee in coordination with the Justice Department. 65,000 pages of
documents are related from Epstein released. What have my Democrat colleagues done? They selectively leaked
and altered documents to mislead the American people. As President Trump has stated, we have nothing to hide. Nothing
to hide here. I'm voting to release the files so that we can move on from this shmear campaign the Democrats have
manufactured. God bless. Gentleman's time is expired. Gentleman from Maryland is recognized.
Reserve the balance of my time. Gentleman reserves. Reserves. Gentleman uh from Ohio reserves.
Gentleman from Maryland is recognized. All right. How much time do I have to close? You have two minutes.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And I I want to thank all of America for tuning in to this. I want to thank uh representatives
uh Massie and Kana, Representative Green, all of those who have insisted
upon bringing the truth forward and a reckoning with the reality of one of the
worst international child sex trafficking rings ever to exist in the United States and the cover up attendant
to it. We've got the opportunity today to do justice for the victims, for the
survivors who have come forward to say that the voice of the victims and the survivors must be put at the very
centered, but put at the very center. We must hear from the people who themselves were victimized by this nightmare. Now,
our colleagues across the aisle seem to want to make this into some sort of partisan contest. I haven't heard so
much talk about the Democrats since the Democratic National Convention. And all that we've done here is to say we want
to bring the truth forward along with a bipartisan group. We don't want the
Senate monkeying around with this in order to slow things down. We want it passed in the Senate. We want it signed.
And before that, if the president is true to his word and he wants to see all of this come to light, he can release it
now instead of fighting, kicking, and screaming every step along the way. But I'm glad he's changed his mind, and I
hope he maintains the momentum he's got to stick with the vast majority of the American people who want to see that the
truth is done here. And while he's at it, the administration could reconsider their terrible policies, gutting federal
offices and programs designed to combat violence against women. The DOJ
terminated hundreds of grants to police departments, defunding the police when it comes to investigating violent sex
crimes and to support victims. His doge destroyed programs to combat
international human trafficking rings. Let's get back on the side of the women. I I yield back. Gentleman yields back.
The gentleman from Ohio. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Uh the speaker Johnson said it right. Why now after four years of doing
nothing? Because going after President Trump is an obsession with these guys. There was an open investigation. There
was an open prosecution of Gla Maxwell. Her conviction didn't happen until 2021. She appealed her conviction. That didn't
end until 2025. Report and it said exactly the opposite. And she related a story in there where a
CI official went up to Mr. Brennan said, "We shouldn't include this in the report." And John Brennan's response was, "Yeah, but doesn't it ring true?
Forget the facts. Forget the truth. Go after Trump. Put it in." Same dynamic at work here. We're all for protecting
innocent victims. We're all for exposing the bad guys who did bad things. But this is obsession with the left. For
10 years, it's going after President Trump. So vote yes. Make sure the bad guys are held accountable. We all want
to do that. Speaker Johnson's right. I think it's going to be unanimous, but understand what they're doing cuz they
had four years and didn't do a darn thing. With that, I yield back.
Gentleman yields back. The question is, will the House suspend the rules and pass the bill HR4405?
Those in favor say I. I. Those opposed say no.
In the opinion of the chair chair, twothirds being in the affirmative, the rules are suspended. The bill is passed
and without can I request a recorded vote. Mr. The gentleman from Maryland is recognized. Yeah, I'm requesting recorded vote.
Gentleman from Maryland has requested a recorded vote. Those favoring a recorded
vote will rise. A sufficient number having risen, a recorded vote is ordered. Members will
record their votes by electronic device. Pursuant to clause nine of rule 20, this
15minute vote on the motion to suspend the rules will be followed by fiveminute
votes on ordering the previous question on House Resolution 879, adoption of
House Resolution 879 if ordered and adoption of House Resolution 878. This
is a 15minute vote. Did you see what they tried to do? They
tried to order they tried to just do it by unanimous consent without individuals
having to record their votes and be on the record about this thing because they are so afraid of they are so afraid of
having to defy daddy Trump that they just wanted to be able to say, "Oh yeah, it's passed by unanimous consent." Now,
I presume that we're going to get a unanimous vote anyway, but man, the extent to which these people have tried
to avoid having to make a decision on this thing after months and months and
months and months of of uh uh serving as obstacles and barriers
to to this bill's passage. You've got Mike Johnson here himself who has spent
the last god knows how many months serving as the unilateral impediment to this thing getting a vote on the floor of the House and it just goes until the
very last second.
In any case, we have a 15minute vote here. Um, given all of the pressure that
is mounting on these Republicans, I would be shocked if we still have any Republicans who do decide to vote no for
this thing. But again, that's only because they realize that they have enough cover that they can do that. um
once this thing gets into the House, uh once this thing gets into the Senate where Mike Johnson has already come out
and said, um you know, and he even did the same thing here where he comes out and says, you know, there are some
issues uh some issues that I have in terms of protection for the survivors
and the victims. And so they're going to have to figure that out in the Senate. Um, notwithstanding the fact that the survivors and the victims, well, the
survivors themselves have supported this bill, have supported the Massie Kana
bill. I believe this is the the Roana version of this bill. But in any case,
it's so bizarre to see these Republicans claim that they're doing something to
protect the survivors by changing the bill that the survivors themselves
support. like maybe maybe maybe drop the God complex and ask the survivors what
they think gives them adequate protection because they've said that this bill right here gives them adequate
protection. But if they were to support this bill then they can't delay and
that's what Mike Johnson wants to do. It's just delaying on behalf of Daddy Trump every single day. And so if that
means, okay, fine, we'll relent on the House vote, but then when it gets into the Senate, there are some very
concerning aspects of this bill that we got to figure out. And so maybe you should fix the bill a little bit, then
wait a little bit and bring it back to the House, then the House might have some issues. That's what these Republicans are doing. They are buying
themselves time. They're just buying individual days. Donald Trump doesn't have any long-term plan for how to
suppress these files. Donald Trump only only wants to win the 24-hour news
cycle. There is no long-term plan. It's just win today. Figure out today, get to
the end of today without having to release these files and and expose um the extent to which uh Donald Trump is
implicated in them and that's a win. And Mike Johnson is doing the exact same thing. So, while they might lose this
vote, the Republicans, rest assured that once it gets into the Senate, the foundation is already laid
for them to be able to say, "Ah, well, you know, we have some concerns about how the victims are going to perceive this and the protection that this
affords them. And so, we're going to have to work on it." Maybe they'll introduce a poison pill to block it from
getting voted on in the House. Probably not. That would be a pretty big risk, but it's possible. and certainly um not
outside the realm of possibility for this Republican party. But in any case, the notion that this thing is going to
sail right through the Senate and onto Trump's desk and get his signature is is unlikely at best. And so I presume that
because Mike Johnson keeps repeating the same line and trying to manifest it into reality, this idea that there's not
adequate protections for the for the survivors in this bill, because he keeps doing that, it it's a pretty big
blinking red light that he has very little intention of allowing this thing uh to sail right through the process.
And by the way, if they did have any intention of letting this bill sail right through the process, he wouldn't
even engage with any of this and he would just call on Donald Trump to release the Epstein files himself. They
exist in his administration in their entirety. The only thing blocking the release of these files from the White
House, from the executive branch, is Donald Trump. That's the only thing standing in the way. And yet we haven't heard a word from Mike Johnson calling
for Trump to to circumvent this whole dog and pony show that we're engaged in right now and just release the files
themselves. He can do it. The only thing stopping the files from being released today is Donald Trump telling Pam Bondi
to release them. You think Pam Bondi is going to serve as some impediment when Donald Trump says Donald Trump could tell her to tell her to to jump off the
Empire State Building and she'd do it? The only question would be how how how long do you want me to wait, Mr. President?
So if they really wanted some accountability, really wanted some transparency as it relates to the Epstein files, we would not engage in
any of this process. This vote wouldn't even happen because all that would happen is Trump would release them
today. They are in his possession, the files in their entirety.
So far, we have no Republicans who have uh who who have uh the spine to defect
despite their months of protests about this bill, about how it's a Democrat hoax. I thought it was a hoax. Now you
got the same Republicans who called it a hoax uh voting for the hoax. Isn't it Isn't it funny how that works out?
They talk such a big game, such a big game for months because they're looking to protect Donald Trump. The second
Donald Trump says, "Okay, yeah, I I I see that we're going to lose this vote anyway." So, uh, so I've said all along
that, uh, that the Republicans should vote for. That's what I've been saying all along since day one, but only because only because I realized I've
lost and I wasn't able to pressure Lauren Boowbert when I invited her into the situation room. The situation room.
The room where Barack Obama watched Osama bin Laden get killed. That's where they brought Lauren Boowbert to pressure
her. Why? Because you can't record anything in that room. It's a secure It's a secure uh uh uh facility.
And yet now, because they've gotten permission from Donald Trump who knew he was going to lose this thing, now you've
got all those Republicans who've been clutching their pearls about how this is a Democrat hoax, voting for the Democrat
hoax. The ultimate the ultimate irony.
By the way, I got to give everybody a bit of news here while this vote is happening.
A federal court in Texas just struck down the Texas gerrymandered maps that were going to be in place for 2026.
Which means Donald Trump demanded Texas redraw its maps. Texas obliged.
California said, "If you do this, if you pass this new map, we're going to pass our own map."
Texas said, "We're doing it anyway." They passed their map. So, California responded, passing a map of his own to
neutralize what Texas did. Now, a judge strikes down Texas's map. So, they engaged in this whole process, thought
they were going to get a leg up. Instead, they're they're down five votes because they forced California to do it.
So, Texas has to use its maps from 2021. California gets to use its maps from 2025. Now, full caveat here. Uh, this
thing will be appealed up to the Supreme Court. Um, I would not bank a lot of money on the Supreme Court doing the
right thing, but it was a Trumpappointed judge who wrote
the decision on this panel ruling in Texas striking down the map. So, if a
Trumpappointed judge was willing to say that this was a racial gerrymander in Texas,
then maybe that takes the wind out of the sales of these uh Supreme Court
justices who would otherwise be inclined to rule on Trump's behalf in Texas.

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So, I'm getting the question about whether whether it's possible that Trump will be able to uh
mess with the files once he gets them. And hang on one sec. Let me just fix
something.
uh whether Trump can mess with the files once he gets them, like once they get released, like let's say this House bill
passes, which it's going to do. Let's say the bill passes out of the Senate
despite John Thun and Mike Johnson's uh uh efforts to torpedo this thing. And
let's say Trump even signs this thing into law because the pressure is just so great on him that he can't uh withstand
any more news cycles about this thing. What can Trump and Pam Bondi do to suppress these files? I asked that
question to Roana. He said that these files have already been already been exposed to members of the DOJ and
members of the Biden DOJ. Um the victims have already seen and the survivors have already seen these files. Um other
elected officials have seen these files. So if there's any part of the files that aren't being released, they'll be able to tell. That's what Roana assured me
when when I spoke to him. So, this notion that we're going to leave out sections that are especially
embarrassing or incriminating um uh for Donald Trump or any of his allies, I
think at least for the moment um if if we're taking Roana taking Roana's
reassurances at their word that we can that we can feel good about knowing that
the files that are released are going to be the files in their entirety. Of course, look, I'm also not so naive to think that
Donald Trump, who has tried to block this process, tried to subvert this process at every go, uh, won't continue
to try and block and subvert this process at every go. And so if we get to the point where, you know, this thing does pass the House and the Senate and
get signed into law by him, um, that he won't continue to try and wield whatever weapon he can, including, by the way,
saying, "Oh, we wish we wish we could release them, and we definitely will as soon as the ongoing investigation into
Bill Clinton, Reed Hoffman, Larry Summers, JP Morgan Chase, and any other Democrat is concluded, which of course
will be never." So, I'm I'm fully aware and conscious of the fact that Trump
will use every uh every tool at his disposal to prevent the release of uh of these files, but Roana has given some
assurance that they know what's in the files in their entirety. They know what that looks like and they can they can
use that to um ensure maximum transparency if and when these things are released. But again, I have to
remind you that if Donald Trump actually wanted transparency, actually wanted accountability, we wouldn't go through
any of this process. We wouldn't need to take this vote. We wouldn't need to send this over to the Senate. We wouldn't
need to wait for debate in the Senate. We wouldn't need to wait for them to to amend the bill and pass it back to the
House and for the House to to sign on and the Senate to approve it and send it up to Trump's desk. We wouldn't need to
do any of that because Donald Trump would just release it today. He has that power. And so all of this, the fact that
we are going through all of this is a testament to the fact that um uh that
that there is no um no uh no effort to achieve maximum
transparency. It looks like we have one no vote. So sometimes people hit the wrong button.
But let's see if we have any reporting about who this
no vote.
I will find out who this no vote is
if it's uh Okay. Yeah. So, as I mentioned before, sometimes people hit the wrong button. Um and and it looks
like that was a mistake. So, that's gone. Now,
for those who are just joining, we are well into the vote to release the Epstein files.
They are doing a recorded vote right now because they wanted to get on record any Republicans who continued to serve as
obstacles to this bill's release. Uh right now, no Republicans uh are willing
to do that because they have uh because they have permission from Daddy Trump to vote in in favor of passing this bill.
I'm getting a a great comment. Moren Comey could testify to the files content. That's right. there there again there are members of the DOJ who no
longer work there who could testify about the about the the um legitimacy of
the of the files that are actually released. But again, I have to repeat this and I I I'm sorry for for sounding
like a broken record here, but if they had any intention of being fully transparent about the Epstein files, we
wouldn't need to do any of this. We wouldn't need to watch these votes happen. Trump could just do it. He would do it today. You know, when Mike Johnson
says we have more important things to do, he's right. So, why doesn't he take that up with Trump who could prevent all
of the time being wasted on this, release the files himself, and then we wouldn't need to do this, and then Mike
Johnson can go back to whatever legislative items he wants to get to. I'm sure he's uh he's got plenty of uh
plenty of Trump tariffs to to greenlight so that the economy can keep crashing and goods can keep keep getting more
expensive. I'm sure there's like a a mountain or a post office or a building that he can
name after Trump. But in any case, if Mike Johnson is being honest about the fact that he
wants other legislative priorities to pass, and he doesn't want to have to worry uh about wasting time by passing
this bill, then tell him to take it up with Trump, who could prevent all of this time from being taken up on the
Epstein files in the House and the Senate and the White House. And instead, Trump could just tell Pam Bondi, release
these things. That's it. It's all it takes. Think Pam Bondi is going to serve as an impediment to Trump. Pam Bondi
exists as an appendage of Trump himself. The reason Pam Bondi is attorney general
is because she was she was deciding whether or not to investigate as attorney general of Florida. She was
deciding whether or not to investigate Trump University for fraud. At the same time, Donald Trump donated $25,000 to a
super PAC that was supporting Pam Bondi. And lo and behold, Pam Bondi ultimately decided not to investigate, not to
prosecute Trump University, a university that was ultimately found guilty of committing fraud. But Pam Bondi got
money, decided to give Trump uh uh uh the uh the uh the leeway that he was
looking for. And so he saw that she was of piss poor moral character, could be
bought like a candy bar at the supermarket. And so he appointed her
attorney as attorney general only because his first choice for attorney general, the guy who was under
investigation for sex trafficking himself, like what are we even doing here? Only
because that guy couldn't get the votes. So he couldn't get an attorney general
who was being investigated for sex trafficking of a minor to be attorney general that would oversee, among other
things, an investigation about sex trafficking of minors. couldn't get that person. So instead, we have Pam Bondi
who was bought off with all of 25 grand.
Crazy time we live in. I'm sure you can see on the screen that there's one no vote in the Democratic
column. Uh that is certainly a mistake. That'll go away in a few moments. Oftentimes these people hit the wrong
buttons when they're recording their votes. So um that will be uh that will be gone in just a few moments.
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So again, I mean, if Pam Bondi really really uh wanted some transparency, if
Trump wanted some transparency, if Mike Johnson wanted some transparency, they have the tools to deliver it right now,
today.
Looks like the vote is officially over. This thing has enough votes to pass. We are waiting on the final 59 members to
vote. But you can see with 375 377 votes right now. Um we will not only have
enough um votes to send this to the house to to approve uh the bill to force
the release of the Epstein files, but I believe there will also be enough if these numbers hold. I mean, you're going
to have probably unanimous uh a unanimous vote. That will be enough to
overcome a presidential veto. So, it's not only important to get this thing
over the finish, to ek this thing over the finish line. It's also important to have enough votes that if and when Trump
tries to mess with it and say, "Oh, I can't sign it because of XYZ." That when it comes back to the House, that there
are enough votes to overcome a presidential veto. Now, I'm also not so naive to think that
if Trump truly did veto this thing and sent the Clarion call down to his
underlings in the GOP that they wouldn't immediately snap too and say, "You know what? I know that I voted to release
this thing on November 18th. But now things are different and Trump is
worried about how this will interfere with an ongoing investigation into Bill Clinton. And so for that reason, I can't
bring myself to vote for a bill that that might prevent accountability for
the evil Clintons and Reed Hoffman and Larry Summers. And so I'm I it would be the least surprising thing on God's
green earth if we saw that. But at least we can take some solace in the fact that right now it looks like this bill will
pass unanimously. which means that if these people did have any semblance of a
spine, uh any semblance of integrity, that even in the event that there was a
presidential veto, that they wouldn't change their vote just because Trump told them not to. Uh granted, you know,
nobody's ever uh nobody's ever uh lost money betting betting against the uh or
betting for the cvil of today's GOP.
We are moments away from seeing if this thing is going to pass unanimously. There is another nay vote in the
Republican column. Uh again, as we've seen very often, often times these people hit the wrong button when they're
recording their votes on on on their like electronic device.
So, I presume that that no vote will go away, but if it doesn't, I'll let you know
exactly who it was.
I presume that that vote will go away. But there is a world where a Republican did decide
to vote no. It looks like it is Klay Higgins.
Clay Higgins. That's the That's the no vote. And it
doesn't seem to be a mistake as far as I can see.
Klay Higgins, congressman, Republican congressman from Louisiana.
Yeah, looks like that that he intended to do that and this vote will will stay.
So, you've got one Republican who still to this day has decided that he doesn't
want accountability uh uh uh accountability for the perpetrators of this crime. He doesn't want
transparency.
Wow, that is weird. Imagine being the only
person the only person to vote against
releasing the files that would offer up transparency for a sex trafficking ring.
What a weird hill to die on.
What a creep. What a creep. And you know what? What's funny is like
now Republicans won't even be able to say that they unanimously agreed to this
bill because Klay Higgins decided this was a hill he needed to die on. So he
and and granted he could with I'm I'm sure that there's going to be some pressure for Mike Johnson because Mike Johnson wants to be able to say we were
full partners in achieving a transparency for for the survivors. Now
he can't say that. So I'm sure he's going to pressure try to pressure Klay Higgins but
We have five votes left to go. Man, oh man.
I got the comment Clay is Bubba. That might be why Clay Bubba Higgins doesn't want this
vote to be uh this bill to be released. I wonder why.
All right, we only have five votes left to go. I'm sure those people are are making their way in, casting their
votes. Right now, nearly unanimous. There is still a Republican lawmaker, Klay Higgins, who's decided to vote
against this thing. I don't know I if you're not actually going to be able
to help Donald Trump and suppress the files, which I understand helping Donald Trump is more important than anything
for these people. That is their that is their whole raise on detra. That that's the whole reason for being in the House
of Representatives in the Senate. I get it. If you're not even going to be able to help him, then why then why destroy
your legacy by being the only person who decides to go on record for a symbolic vote, not even an actual vote to protect
Donald Trump, a symbolic vote, blocking accountability for the people involved in the in the most pervasive, notorious
pedophile ring in in American history. He's like, I know this won't do anything, but I just this it's symbolic
for me. It's just important that I know that when I lay my head on the pillow at night that I did my small part to
prevent the release of these files, to prevent transparency for the survivors, to prevent accountability for the
perpetrators of these crimes. Klay Higgins like I just want to make sure that that I that I in my heart I
knew that I did what I could my small though it may be to make sure that that
none of that none of these survivors got any accountability. God,
truly gross.
[Music]
It looks like they're asking for any changes to the vote, so we should be seconds away.
[Music] But I have to remind people I have to
remind people who on this vote the yays are 427
the nays are one 2/3 being in the affirmative the rules are suspended the
bill is passed and without objection the motion to reconsider is laid on the table.
[Applause]
A big moment. A moment that we have been waiting for for almost 10 months despite constant constant obstruction from
Trump, from Mike Johnson, from everybody in this Republican conference.
Pursuant to clause 8, rule 20, the unfinished business is the vote on ordering the previous question on House
Resolution 879 on which the yays and nazs are ordered. The clerk will report the title of the resolution.
House calendar number 47, House Resolution 879. Resolution providing for consideration
of the joint resolution, Senate Joint Resolution 80, providing for congressional disapproval under chapter
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Petroleum Reserve in Alaska, Integrated Activity Plan, Record of Decision, providing for consideration of the joint
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of decision and approved resource management plan amendment providing for consideration of the joint resolution
house joint resolution 131 providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5 United States code of the
rule submitted by the bureau of land management relating to coastal plane oil and gas leasing program record of
decision providing for consideration of the concurrent resolution house concurrent resolution 58 denouncing the
horrors of socialism providing for consideration of the bill HR1 1949 to
repeal restrictions on the export of import of natural gas providing for consideration of the bill.
So again, I have to remind people first of all um a couple of points. This bill
passed with one Republican vote, which means that Mike Johnson and the Republicans cannot come forward and say
that they voted unanimously for transparency for the victims because they didn't. Uh the second point is this
whole thing is a big dog and pony show because if there was actually a desire for accountability and transparency
within the Republican conference, they wouldn't do any of this. All of them would call for Donald Trump to release
the files that are already in his possession. Like this whole thing is only happening as a way to circumvent
Trump's obstruction. That's why this is happening. So when Trump comes forward and says I think that the House
Republicans should vote for this thing, If he really wanted them to vote for
this thing because he believed in in the virtue of of this bill actually passing,
then he wouldn't say that. He would just say, "You know what? Forget it. It doesn't matter to go through this
process. I'm going to save everybody the time and energy. I'm just going to tell Pam to release it because Pam listens to
anything and everything that I say when I send her my little edicts on Truth Social." So again, the whole thing is
just a way like this. This is all just like a ruse. And and anybody who thinks that Donald Trump is acting in good
faith when he says that the House should release these files and that he'll be
happy to sign it into law is ignoring the fact that when he doesn't just do it
himself, it's because he wants to delay the process. It's because he wants to obstruct this process. And the fact that
Mike Johnson or any other Republican except for Thomas Massie won't come out and say that is a testament to the fact
that they are more afraid of him than it is that they care about transparency or accountability as it relates to the
Epstein files. Like their priority, everybody in the Republican conference, their priority continues to be
protecting Trump. That's it. Not protecting their constituents, not protecting the survivors of Epstein and
his accompllices crimes. It is just protecting Trump because if any of them
had a set of balls, they would come forward and say, "Why are we doing this? Why are we wasting time?" You had you
had Mike Johnson who had come forward and said, you know, we're doing this when we should be focusing on our
legislative priorities. You're right. And all you have to do is talk into that
microphone that you're talking into right now and say, "Donald Trump, we do not want to do this. You have the power
to release the files right now, today. Just do it. Save us the time. Save the
Senate the time. Save the House the inevitable time when the Senate changes the bill as a way to delay this whole
thing. And just release them yourself. You've got them in your possession. It was this administration that promised
they would release them anyway. It was Pam Bondi who said the files were on her desk in February. It's November. It's
almost December. The same files that were on her desk nine months ago, we
haven't seen them. They trotted all these right-wing influencers out to hold up their little binders. It's been 10
months, nine months since that moment and we haven't seen anything. The fact that we have to go through this process
where we watch the House vote on this thing and wait for the Senate to vote on this thing is only because this
administration continues to obstruct the release of these files. That's the only reason that this is happening. Trump
could do it today. A big dog and pony show. That's all this is.
And they all know that it is. They all know that they're just waiting for Trump to figure out what the next way for him
to obstruct the release of these files is. I'm I'm There is a reason that Trump posted to Pam Bondi, "Hey, Pam, I think
you should investigate Bill Clinton, Larry Summers, Reed Hoffman, and JP Morgan Chase." And there's a reason why
Pam said, "You got it, Mr. President. Sir, yes, sir. Whatever you need, sir. Yes, sir. I have tears in my eyes, sir.
Of course, sir. I'd be happy to do it for you, sir. You're the best president we've ever had, sir. you deserve a prize, sir. There's a reason that she
said that. It's because now at some point in this process, Trump can come forward and say, "Look, sure, this bill
passed the House. Maybe it passes the Senate. Maybe it even gets my signature. And while I would love to release the
full breadth of the Epstein files, I'm being told by the DOJ that we're not allowed to release all the files because
they're included in an ongoing investigation, an investigation which I ordered, by the way. And as you all
know, I have nothing but respect and reverence for the rule of law. And so, if the DOJ says that we can't interfere
in an ongoing investigation, given my love for law and order and the rule of
law and the Constitution, there's no way that I can do anything to release these files. And so, we're just
going to have to wait until this investigation is done. And who knows how long that could be. And of course, Trump
will drag this along till the end of his term. Like if he does deploy that excuse
where he says that he would totally definitely love to release the files if but for the fact that there's an ongoing
investigation into Bill Clinton. If he does deploy that excuse, that investigation will be going until the
last day of his presidency. Mark my words, there will never be a day where that ongoing open investigation actually
closes. Never be a day. He knows full well what he's doing.
And so that's why it's important for the Democrats to lead this effort to compel the release of these files because
without the Democrats just relying on the good faith of this Republican party,
these files will never see the light of day. We have watched as Mike Johnson and
the rest of the GOP have served as nothing but impediments. Mike Johnson wouldn't wouldn't swear in Adelaide
Grava for like almost two months. He shut down the government. He sent the
house home. He adjourned the house a week before the government even shut down because he didn't want them voting on that discharge petition. He didn't
want them anybody going on record to vote for this thing. And of course, they were just humiliated into voting for it
by by an almost unanimous margin in this instance because they knew that they
wouldn't have the votes even despite Trump's best efforts by among other things summoning Lauren Boowbert into
the situation room only because that room is so secure that you can't record anything in there. And they were
clearly worried that whatever they did to lean on Lauren Boowart, she might record it and expose it because that
would be yet more dirt to use on Donald Trump in his interminable effort to protect Jeffrey Epstein and the
pedophile ring that he was running. So they have been nothing but impediments to the release of these
files and they will continue to be. Mark my words, they will continue to be. If these files get released, it will be it
will be not because of the Republicans, but in spite of the Republicans. It'll be because they had to suffer too
much pressure, endure too much pressure at the hands of the country more broadly and weren't able to continue suppressing
these files, especially in light of the fact that it was them. It was them who brought this
into the into the national spotlight on the campaign trail. It was JD Vance who said, "Yeah, we have to release these
files." when he was talking to Theo Vaughn, it was Dan Bonino who built his brand on
releasing these files. It was Cash Patel who built his brand on releasing these files. Now, all of these guys are not
only not only not working to release the files, they were actively engaged in a cover up. They are protecting the very
system that they built their brands and took a ton made a ton of money
condemning when they were podcasters. Talk about a bait and switch. Talk about
utter contempt for your own voters, your own supporters, your own listeners, your own audience to build your brand by
saying that you're some champion for accountability as it relates to the Epstein files. And the second that you have power, the second that you can
substantiate the very claims that you've been making for so long, you not only don't do it, but you help entrench the
very system that you pretended to condemn. I mean, just peak shamelessness.
The height the height of hypocrisy.
I'm actually interested to see what happens when those guys go back to their podcasting life after the White House.
I'd be shocked if they did it. To be perfectly honest, I would be shocked to see Dan Bonino and Cash Patel
try to go back to a life where where they get in front of a microphone and pretend that they have even a
modicum of legitimacy when they built their entire listener base, their entire
viewership on this idea that they were these champions for accountability. They talked about this over and over and over
again. And now they're the ones in positions of power. You remember there was an episode
where Cash Patel was talking to Benny Johnson. I think it was Benny Johnson. Benny Johnson asked Cash Patel who it
was Glenn Beck. That's who it was on Blaze. Uh ask Glenn Beck uh who has
Epstein's Little Black Book. And Cash Mattel said it's in the d it's in the possession of the director of the FBI.
Cash Mattel is now the director of the FBI. Like if there was any position in
the world where that man would be able to substantiate the very claims that he himself made. He is in that position,
not adjacent to that position, not the deputy director of the FBI. He is the director of the FBI. The position that
he said has full transparency and is seeing what what the Epstein files say, what the Epstein little black book says.
And yet crickets from this champion for transparency, for this champion for
accountability, from the guy who built his brand and sold a bunch of sponsored
to his audience on this idea that he had some
moral courage, a fiber, a fiber of morality,
only to prove that when he actually had the ability to substantiate what he was
saying, didn't do a single thing to do that and instead bailed on his audience,
made his audience to look like fools while he was hawking products and getting rich off of his podcast.
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I'm getting the question. I need you to be honest with me here. No spin, no nothing. What's the actual chance that we're going to get anything revealed
through this vote? I think they're just going to pull the national security card. I would say if I had to give my
dead honest gun to my head opinion on whether we're going to see the Epstein files as the result of this bill,
I would say, and this may be um this may be
uh unsatisfying for people, but I would say 5050 because I think that there's a ton of
pressure, enough pressure to get all of these all of these
Republicans who had previously been perfectly content to block this thing on behalf of Trump to get all of these
Republicans to vote in favor of it. There is a ton of pressure, not just from the left, but also from the right.
So, they're going to have to endure that. At the same time, if Trump had
gone through all these steps for the last 10 months to prevent the release of these files, I don't want to delude
ourselves into thinking that he's suddenly going to concede defeat. This is a guy who will never ever ever ever
admit that he was wrong. And he will go to the mat to protect his ego even when
we know that he's made the wrong decision. like we're engaged in a trade war right now that's been going on for
10 months that Trump won't relent on even though it's raised the price of everything because he doesn't know how
to say that he was wrong and so he'll double down and triple down and quadruple down and so the notion that
this guy is just going to say you know what just release the files it's fine I don't care is is to ignore everything
that we know about Donald Trump so we have two really strong competing factions on one side there is a ton a
ton of bipartisan pressure from the outside and on the other side there is a
ton of pressure um from Trump who doesn't want to be on the wrong end of
this thing. So when I say 50/50
that that's my that's my honest opinion. I would love to be able to say look this thing just passed with unanimous consent almost unanimously and uh there was one
Republican vote and so of course this thing is going to sail through the Senate and get signed by the White House. But we know this White House. We
know this Republican party. We know that their priority is not their constituents. We know that their priority is not the survivors of
Epstein's crimes. We know that their priority is one man. It's protecting Daddy Trump. And so if that means that
they have to snap to as soon as Donald Trump says to, then they're going to do it. In fact, the only reason that they
voted for this thing is because he gave them permission because he recognized he was going to lose. But if he decides to change his mind,
then then do you really think that these Republicans are going to uh do you
really think these Republicans are going to uh uh defy him? No.
By the way, why is somebody in the chat saying this is pre-recorded? This is not pre-recorded.
Okay. Now, in terms of the Senate vote, that will
be next. They don't have a date yet on the calendar. I don't know if the Senate is going to
vote on this bill or if they're going to take their cues from Mike Johnson,
who has said numerous times that there are issues with this House bill
and they're worried about uh protections for the survivors. I asked Roana about that exact point. I asked him,
you know, can you respond to this claim that's being that's being made over and over about this idea that there's not
adequate protection for the survivors? And he said, the survivors support this bill. He goes, if there weren't adequate protections for the survivors, why would
the surv survivors all support the legislation that we're voting on? They would be the first people to say that we
don't support this bill because there's not enough protection for us. They didn't do that. They all threw their weight behind this bill. So, who do you
believe more? the survivors who say that there's adequate protection for the survivors or Mike Johnson, the guy who
has kept the house out of session for months, who refused to swear in Adelaide Graava, who has blocked the vote on this
bill for months and months and months, who has been the principal architect for Trump's obstruction efforts and and
obuscation efforts, who says that there's not enough protection for the survivors. Who do you believe more? Mike
Johnson, the roadblock to accountability and transparency or the survivors themselves who've been begging for
accountability and transparency. Take all the time you need with that one. So, when those people say that there's
plenty of protection for the survivors, I would believe them over Mike Johnson, the guy who's been working on behalf of
Donald Trump to make sure that there is no accountability for the people involved in these crimes.
If anybody has questions, you can throw them in the chat and I will read them as well.
Uh I believe the current vote is about LNG exports. So uh liquid and and
natural gas. Um what I'm going to do is I'm going to
change the composition here.
For those who are just tuning in, the bill did pass the House. Uh
so the Epstein files the Epstein file bill passes the House. It will now go to the Senate. There was
uh there was one Republican lawmaker Klay Higgins from Louisiana who decided
not to vote for this thing. So he voted against it. So, it is not a unanimous a unanimous vote uh despite Mike Johnson's
best efforts to be able to have some moral high ground and say that he wanted uh that he wanted that he got his co his
uh conference to pass this thing unanimously and that they've been champions for accountability all along. Klay Higgins robbed them of that.
That bill was passed 427 to1. Why is that important? Because in the event
that Donald Trump does try and veto this thing, there is a veto proof majority at least in the House. Now again, I want to
offer up the caveat that if Trump decides to veto it for whatever bogus
excuse he comes up with that he can then tell these Republicans who may have cast
a vote in the affirmative now that he wants them to change their vote. And I think you and I all know what would
happen if Trump suddenly decides to tell these people uh to change their vote. I think we're all very clear about the
fact that none of these Republicans are going to uh are going to defy Donald
Trump and that the only reason 427 well, you know, uh uh whatever
percentage of that are Republicans, the only reason that all of those Republicans decided to vote for this thing was because Trump knew that he was
going to lose and so gave everybody retroactive permission to do the thing
that they were going to do anyway. Again,
for those asking, the current vote on the screen, I believe, is for LNG export. So, it's uh liqufied natural gas
if if I'm not mistaken. Um,
I should I should take this off the screen because this is a vote. This is a discussion about the Epstein files. But
in any case, here I don't want to confuse people.
Okay.
So, now where do we stand? And what could Donald Trump
do to stop it? I'm getting the question, how can we trust that the files aren't tainted? I asked this question to Roana.
Let me actually see if I can pull up
that interview with Roana. Yeah.
Okay.
So here is my interview with Roana. I'm gonna get to the specific point where I asked him how we can trust those files.
So let's see if I can do this here
are now expressing support for this thing. I know that there were a few names floating around including Eli Eli
Crane uh uh Kevin Kylie, David Warren, these Republican lawmakers. Everybody in the Republican conference do the same.
And so it would be almost unfathomable to think that you would get up for a vote on the floor. So, what can you tell
us about about your bill? What does it do? Um, and can you can you speak that
while it's very likely that this thing passes the House, almost certain that this thing passes the House, um, it's an
uphill battle in the Senate, but even if it passes both the House and the Senate, that Trump is just going to veto this
thing. And so what level of confidence do you have that if and when it gets sent back to Congress to to see if
there's a veto proof majority that the House and the Senate have that it'll actually reach that threshold?
Well, right now I mean that question was answered. We had 427 votes. So let's see if we can get this everything does
succeed. How can you have confidence that this DOJ will release those files in their entirety? What what is there to
to ensure that Pam Bondi or Trump himself doesn't just mess with the files so that anything especially damaging
will be secreted? Well, we know what's in the files. I mean, I haven't seen them, but the
lawyers of uh the victims have. So, there are uh independent ways to uh
verify whether what's being released is honest and true. There are also people from the Biden Justice Department that
have seen the files. So there are uh independent verification that can take
place about whether uh what we're getting is is a selective leak and then we're getting documents from the Epstein
estate. So it would be particularly dangerous for the justice department to be leaking erroneous or redacted things
when they know there are other sources for some of this information. Can you speak on the fact that immediately after
the discharge petition uh ripened so got 218 votes there was an effort I believe
led by Tim Burchett to just pass this thing by unanimous consent and what
party kind of at this moment where there is so much all right so in any case that
answers that question um about how we can be sure that there
won't be any tainting happening to these files um that there are folks in the DOJ
who will be able to speak to that. There are folks in the Epstein estate who are able to speak to that. Um, somebody had mentioned in the chat earlier that Moren
Comey could testify um because she led the effort uh and was fired and of course she was fired because because she
led the effort and because she's related to James Comey. All of that notwithstanding, there are plenty of people who will be in positions to be
able to say uh who will be able to say whether these are the files in their entirety or if there was some issue,
some some you know some reason that they were that they were being messed with that would prevent uh that they would
prevent the full release of these files. So, um so that that's a good answer from Roana there. And I think in this
situation, all we can do is just hope that what he said is is the truth and that and frankly that we never get to
that point.
Getting an interesting question. What are the chances that Trump was campaigning on releasing the files because he thought they could that he
thought they could make them disappear or they would have stayed in his Mara Lago bathroom? I mean, look, it's it's
very possible Trump will weaponize any issue. Trump will lie about anything to have gotten
power. He pretended that he cared about about groceries, of rent, of housing, of
eggs. He didn't care about any of that stuff. Energy prices. Energy prices are up. Groceries are up. Costs of
everything are up. Housing is up. Rent is up. He didn't care about any of those things. He said what he needed to say on the campaign trail. He said that he
would give free IVF. That didn't happen. He said he would end the Russia Ukraine war. That didn't happen. and he said he would bring inflation down. Inflation's
been rising every month since March. This guy doesn't care about any of the things that he said on the campaign trail, just like he doesn't care about
the Epstein files. He will he will say what he needs to say on the campaign trail with zero intention of following
through on any of it because he just wants power. Now, I'm certain that he
said that he was going to release the Epstein files or surrounded himself with people who said they want to release the Epstein files, knowing full well that
once he got into power, he would be in a position expressly to suppress them. And that's what we're seeing right now. So,
do I think that he that he did this so that he could um make them disappear?
Absolutely. He he thought he was doing he's doing it right now. Like the fact that we're 10 months in and we just
needed a discharge petition to force a vote on the Epstein files is not is not any other than evidence that Trump
himself won't do it. He of course a thousand% thought that he could come in office and and bury these files so that
they would never see the light of day. He's been doing it. the only reason that we're in this situation in the first
place is because of that. So, yes, to answer that question, yeah, I I 100% think that that he thought that he would
be able to use his position of power to make sure that we never saw the Epstein files.
Do I think Melania is jealous of Bubba?
I don't think anybody is jealous of Bubba. That's my hot take right now.
I don't think Bubba is jealous of Bubba. I think Bubba has his head hung in shame
at what his legacy has become.
Do I have any concerns about a pocket veto? Yeah, of course. Do again like do I think that Trump is going to act in
good faith and release these files? No. But that's why I think it's important to have veto proof majorities. The fact
that this bill passed 427 to1 at least puts these people on record
um having voted for the release of these files once. So that in the event Trump
vetos the the final legislation, um, in in the event that he decides to
veto the legislation, when we go back and say to these Republicans, you voted for it once, why
wouldn't you vote for it again? It'll be that much more difficult. Now, not impossible, because these Republicans will bend over backwards to, you know,
to do whatever it takes to protect Daddy Trump. Not impossible. So if he says, "Vote for it the first time." And they
vote for it the first time. He says, "Don't vote for the same bill the second time." You think half of these Republicans are going to defy him? No.
Um, but I think it's important to get these people on record, and that's why it was important not to do a unanimous consent vote, but to get each individual
senator uh uh House member on record, so that when they come back and have to
overcome a presidential veto, at least you've got 427 members of Congress who voted for it once. And it's going to be
that much more difficult for them to be able to say, "Hey, why did you vote for it once, but not the second time? Why did Why did you decide that you want to
help Donald Trump cover up the the files?" and preclude the the survivors from getting accountability when you
already thought it was okay one time. So again, these people are beyond shame. So
I think it's certainly within the realm of possibility that that they could uh change their vote as soon as Trump says
go. But getting them on record right now is going to be an important impediment
to that because you know for some of them maybe a modicum of shame still exists.
How do we get Fox News to cover any of this? They won't. That's why That's why I do what I do. Uh and that's why I'm
going to ask those who are watching right now, if you're not yet subscribed to this channel, please support independent media, support the networks
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talked about, any of the things that he hates are suppressed. And that's exactly what the Epstein files are. So, so we
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Apparently, somebody already updated the uh the Wikipedia for Klay Higgins to say
that he voted against the Epstein files. Can somebody confirm that for me?
While we're doing that, uh, my prediction for the Senate,
my prediction for the Senate is the same amount of pressure that got all of these Republican uh, these Republican
House members to vote for this thing is that they will be contending with this with with pressure as well. And so I
think it is it's true. I'm hearing that they did that that Klay Hagen's Wikipedia is
updated uh to say that he voted against the release of the Epstein files. That was fast. People do not mess around on
the internet. Um uh so I think that the Senate is going
to is going to contend with the same pressure that the House did. Obviously, that pressure was heavy enough that 427
members of the House in total voted for this bill and and they are not immune to that pressure and in fact oftentimes
senators are more uh moderate than members of the House. They come from, you know, you can't gerrymander uh a
state a state, you know, a Senate a Senate seat because it's the entire state. And so, you're inherently going
to get folks who are a little bit more moderate than the House members. And so if you can if you can get 427
you know what's that 200 almost 210 to1 something like that Republicans who are
many of whom are from like R + 10 R plus 20 districts are diehard MAGA supporters
if you can get them on board I don't think it's going to be that difficult to get you know somebody who might have won
55 45 in you know in in some Republican state somewhere uh to also vote for his
Uh, can I explain why Biden couldn't release the files, please? Yes. So, two reasons. The first is that Gla Maxwell's
prosecution was ongoing until 2021 at right after that she appealed and that
appeal took place until 2025. It was Biden's DOJ that was prosecuting the case while he was in office, obviously.
And so, you can't release all the files during the ongoing investigation into
Galain Maxwell, which by the way, they ultimately secured a conviction and a 20-year prison sentence. So, to claim
that Biden was like covering for Galain Maxwell when they when it was, you know, 2021,
Biden was the president and secured, you know, it was his DOJ that secured her conviction and prison sentence. and that
ultimately worked to block her appeal from working. You know, that that's completely backwards. And so they're not
going to release the files in the midst of their prosecution. Uh and the second
reason is we live in a world now where Donald Trump can mandate to Pam Bondi, dictate
to Pam Bondi what he wants her to do and she'll immediately listen to him. back
then and in every previous administration. If the DOJ has the files, it's up to the
attorney general whether or not the attorney general wants to release them. I am not here to defend Merrick Garland.
I think Merrick Garland was weak, impotent, overly circumspect, and too
focused on preventing the optics of politicization. And so I think that's why he of all
people wouldn't have released these files. This is somebody who didn't move forward with any charges for Matt Gates.
Um, very likely for the same reason. So focused on preventing the optics of politicization. And so wrong man for
the, you know, for the moment. Also didn't in didn't prosecute Donald Trump. Waited like two years to finally appoint
Jack Smith as special prosecutor, special counsel. This guy was so impotent.
And so if you're asking why they weren't why the Biden administration didn't release
them, it's because the Biden administration wasn't going to pressure Merrick Garland into doing something because you can't. In a normal world,
you can't unlike the world we live in right now. And Merrick Garland wasn't going to do it on his own because he was
too focused on preventing any, you know, any any optics of politicization.
Do I agree with that? No. I think he should have released it. But I think he should have done a lot of things. I
think he should have sought justice without fear or favor as it relates to Trump instead of waiting two years
because he was so afraid of making anybody upset by by going after
Donald Trump for the crimes that he committed trying to prevent the peaceful transfer of power, blocked the
certification of Congress, stole classified documents from the White House. Merrick Garland couldn't touch any of that stuff because god forbid
anybody look because god forbid it looked like a weaponized DOJ. Now, of course, we're in a situation where Trump
is basically using Pam Bondi as his personal personal police force, but but
god forbid Merrick Garland even just sought sought regular justice.
So, that is why uh that's why they weren't released during the Biden administration. Again, I'm not sitting
here saying I agree with it. I'm just giving you the reason why. The first part I agree with that you're not going to that any normal DOJ is not going to
release materials about an investigation or a prosecution while that prosecution's ongoing, by the way, while
the prosecution where they con where they secured a conviction and a 20-year prison sentence. So, they were doing their job. So, the notion that we could
in retrospect say, "Oh, they should have released those files." Well, okay, if they released those files, that could have put in jeopardy the ongoing
prosecution, which was ultimately successful because they locked her up for 20 years. So, I would say
that they did the right thing. And for us to say in retrospect, oh, they shouldn't have done it that way. Okay. But then what if they screwed up their
own case and Gain Maxwell walked free? I think what they did was correct judging
by the fact that they did secure a conviction and she is serving a 20-year prison sentence. So, it would be crazy
for us to say, "Oh, they should have done XYZ." No, they should have done exactly what they did because Gla Maxwell is rotting away in prison. Or at
least she's rotting away in prison right now. Or at least she was rotting away in prison. Now she's just kind of enjoying prison because Donald Trump moved her to
a minimum security facility where she apparently has the warden come come by
and help her send emails. That's what you get when you are uh when you're part of the the pedophile ring that Donald
Trump is implicated in. You get some special treatment.
For folks who are just joining, I'm getting a couple questions on it being being veto proof. Right now, the House
did pass the files 427 to1. That is a veto proof majority. We will hopefully see the same thing in the Senate. in the
event that Donald Trump does try to suppress or prevent the release of these files, it is important to have a veto
proof majority. So, um, with that said, just because
this thing passed 427 to1 now in a world where
Trump decides to veto this thing down the line, if it does pass the Senate, he can decide just just like that that he
doesn't want it to be released and he can come up with some insane excuse. And I and mark my words, there will be
plenty. Blows my mind because Oh, let's see.
Blows my mind because uh sorry, it looks like the had a little
bit of a technical issue. the the Klay Hagens vote blows my mind because he had he had the ability
to at least like look I get it if you're protecting Donald Trump and you want to be and you want to be a no vote but
recognizing that a vote to release the Epstein files is going to pass anyway to just be a symbolic vote
a symbolic vote protecting pedophiles seems so weird to me but like hey man
Klay Higgins you do you if you want your legacy to be that you were uh that you were out there protecting pedophiles
even when even when you could have just done nothing. You could have avoided the vote or you could have just recognized
that it's going to pass unanimously and just thrown your name in the lot and made no news. But no, you wanted to
expressly ensure that your legacy is that you prevented that you tried that you did your small part to prevent the
release of the Epstein files. So, okay, I'll leave it there. Uh we've
been going a couple hours right now.

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BREAKING: Jamie Raskin Delivers Blistering Response To Speaker Johnson's Speech On The Epstein Files
Forbes Breaking News
Nov 18, 2025

In remarks on the House floor Tuesday, Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD) responded to remarks from House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) about the Epstein files.



jamie raskin speech today 218 votes release epstein

Transcript

Um, I'll take the opportunity of the
speaker's presence to respond to some of
the things that he said in the very
presence of the victims and the
survivors who come to join us today. The
speaker said that now would be a time we
should be working on urgent legislative
work. Mr. Speaker, justice is urgent
legislative work. The truth is urgent
legislative work.
The speaker says, "Why now? Why now?"
Well, Mr. Speaker, you were the one who
refused to swear in Adelita Grahava for
50 days. We would have done it 50 days
ago, but she provided the 218th
signature on the discharge petition. So
why now? It was because of your dilatory
tactics, your delay, your postponement
of it. Now, uh the the gentleman says
that they're not sufficient protections.
There are protections in the bill for
the victims to make sure that their
names will be redacted. And yet we hear
even the speaker of the house of
representatives openly inviting the US
Senate to start fingerpainting on this
bill which we have waited more than five
months to bring to the floor. The Senate
should pass the bill exactly as it's
written. The president should sign it
exactly as he said he would when he
finally changed his mind. And the
Epstein file must be released. Moreover,
if the president is serious about what
he's saying, he's got the power to
release the Epstein file right now.
Nobody's stopping him. It's within his
possession. It's within his control. He
can release the whole thing and he can
react redact the names of the victims
and others uh who are innocent um in
this process.
Mr. Speaker
Speaker Johnson said that these are
unspeakable evils. Well, because of the
bravery and the invincible courage of
the women who've joined us today,
they're no longer unspeakable.
They're spoken. They're articulated. The
cat is out of the bag. And we know
what's been going on for decades. It's
been a double standard of justice going
all the way back to Alex Acasta who
later got rewarded with a cabinet
appointment in the Trump administration.
Alex Acasta had a 60count federal
indictment ready to go against all kinds
of people for an interstate sex
trafficking conspiracy with solicitation
with child sex abuse all of it. and he
traded that 60count federal indictment
for one count in state court. And
Jeffrey Epstein ended up getting the
sweetest of sweetheart deals ever on the
plea bargain front. He was free from
8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. to do whatever he
wanted in continuing to perpetrate his
crimes and run his conspiracy. And then
he would come and he would watch TV and
spend the night in jail. And it was over
in about a year
after the rape and sexual abuse of
hundreds and hundreds of girls. And he
kept going. And he kept at it. We want
the whole truth to come out. This is the
United States of America. Even the
British monarchy wouldn't put up with
this. How about the American democracy?
How about we say, "No way. We're not
going to allow this cover up to go on
for one day more." And I'm glad the
president changed his mind after pulling
out all the stops to try to get uh one
of our Republican colleagues to change
their mind to remove their name from the
discharge petition. He gave up. And I
want to salute the gentle lady from
Colorado from having the courage to
stand her ground in the situation room
in the White House and say no, she
wasn't going to be bullied. No. So, um,
I'm glad the president changed his mind,
but let's be clear, Mr. President,
you've got the power today to release
the entire file. That's what you called
for. That's what Pam Bondi called for.
That's what Cash Patel called for. So,
we don't need anybody calling for the
Senate to slow things down for more
weeks and more months. The American
people have had it. will reserve.

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'Child Sex Abuse Is Not A Hoax!': Jamie Raskin Issues Emphatic Defense Of Epstein Files Discharge
Forbes Breaking News
Nov 18, 2025

During remarks on the House floor Tuesday, Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD) spoke in support of the Epstein Files discharge petition.



jamie raskin speech today 218 votes release epstein

Transcript

Speaker, I yield myself such time as I
may consume.
The gentleman's recognized
today, four months and three days after
Mr. Khan and Mr. Massie introduced their
discharge petition, perhaps the most
famous discharge petition in American
history, the People's House unites
across party lines to draw a moral line.
We draw a line against the rape and
sexual violation of children. We draw a
line against the global criminal
trafficking of girls and young women to
service the pleasure of rich and
powerful men who believe they are beyond
all law and all morality. We draw a line
to put the voices of the victims and the
survivors first. We asked the Senate to
join us without changes rather than
obstruct this bill with dilatory
amendments, legislative graffiti, and
self-deing millionoll jackpot provisions
for lucky senators just passed the bill.
We're finally voting today because a
bipartisan discharge petition led uh by
representatives Massie and Connor and
signed by 218 of us overthrew the
determined obstruction of the speaker.
This forced vote means the House will no
longer acquies in this astonishing
realtime cover up of a multibillion
dollar global sex trafficking and child
rape ring that has ravaged the lives of
more than a thousand girls and young
women.
We are here today because these victims,
these survivors, these citizens, these
inspiring women who have come to
Washington are demanding nothing less
than justice and the complete truth
about who is responsible for their
vicious abuse, including those
responsible for enabling it, ignoring
it, bankrolling it, and covering it up.
We join them today in rejecting any more
dangerous lies about the crimes they
suffered. No, child sex abuse is not a
hoax. It's a crime. Human trafficking is
not a hoax. It's a crime. These crimes
are a curse on children and young people
across America. In universities and
elementary schools, in churches and
mosques and synagogues, in boy scout
troops, and college sports teams and
summer camps, anywhere the powerful and
the rich believe they've got the
opportunity and the impunity to exploit
the young, the poor, the powerless, and
the vulnerable. We must face the truth
and find the co-conspirators still at
large in one of America's most extensive
and sophisticated sex trafficking and
child abuse rings in history.
Release of the file will expose the role
of everybody who facilitated and covered
up these crimes like JP Morgan Chase,
Bank of America, Deutsche Bank and Bank
of New York Melon which executed
billions of dollars in transactions
related to these offenses as well as any
bank executives who participated in the
sexual abuse of girls and young women.
We must expose everyone who cover up
these crimes. Like Alex Acasta, the
former US attorney in Miami, Donald
Trump's labor secretary who gave Jeffrey
Epstein an unbelievable sweetheart plea
deal, immunized unnamed conspirators,
and killed an investigation into
Epstein's financial crimes that could
have brought down the entire criminal
network. And with that, I'm going to uh
yield.
Oh, I'll reserve the balance of my time.

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SHOCKING VIDEO: Melania and Epstein INTIMATE Moment LEAKS
Keith Edwards
Nov 18, 2025

DEO: Melania and Epstein INTIMATE Moment LEAKS



Transcript

All right, we have some big news and
we're going to get right into it.
There's uh an interview with Jeffrey
Epstein's brother where he says that
Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epste were very
interconnected and Jeffrey definitely
had information on Donald Trump that
could have led to his downfall. I don't
know why he didn't release it. We're
going to get into that. We also now have
reporting from an author who says that
Melania met Jeffrey Epstein. Jeffrey
Epstein introduced Melania to Trump and
that Jeffrey Epste and Melania were
actually originally lovers. Yes. And
this was all gonna be put in the book,
but Melania stopped it. I wonder why she
got that taken out of the book. Let's
just get into Jeffrey Epste. Mark Epste
who said this about what Jeffrey knew
about Trump.
[Music]
Jeffrey in 2016, I said this publicly
before. Jeffrey told me that if he said
what he knew about the candidates,
they'd have to cancel the election. He
didn't tell me what he knew, but Jeffrey
definitely had dirt on Trump. And you
could see in the emails Trump could deny
it all he wants, but it's pretty clear.
I mean, everything Trump says is a lie.
But that's not what you were talking
about.
It's provable that he was in Jeffy's
office. He said he wasn't in the house.
It's provable he was there. He said
everything he says is a lie.
No, he went on to say this. What I do
want to talk about is I've been recently
told the reason they're going to be
releasing these things and the reason
for the flip is that they're sanitizing
these files. There's a facility in in
Winchester, Virginia where they're
scrubbing the files to take Republican
names out of it. That's what I was told
by a pretty good source.
So, that's something we're talking about
a lot that by the time this video
probably comes out, the files will have
been voted on by probably majority of
Congress to pass for the Epstein files
to be released. But we're now getting
word that what's likely going to happen
is that the Senate is going to redact
many names. Now, I'm not sure if they're
going through the files one by one as
this man alleges, but we do know that
that Mike Johnson has said just that.
This is Thomas Mashe sharing this. Said
this is how Speaker Johnson plans to
protect perverts who went to the rape
island from embarrassment. Do not let
the Senate add an amendment to avoid
disclosing those rich and powerful men
who have evaded justice for so many
years. Is Johnson calling all victims
noncredible? He says here's, and this is
what Johnson was talking about, dangers
of the discharge petition. One, victim
privacy does not adequately protect
victims. Two, innocent persons risk
disclosure of noncredible allegations
creating new victims. So, they're going
to try to say that there are people who
are in these files who who are
perpetrators of crimes who are the
actual victims because there's
noncredible allegations. Just release
all the files. Just release all the
files. Now, people are going through
these files. And here's one thing we've
learned.
Well, I just found a fun little nugget.
I was doing my little keyword searches
through all these documents and I looked
up Trump Tower and look what popped up.
On the morning of November 13th, 2016,
Linda Stone emails Jeffrey Epstein
asking if he's still in Paris. And he
responds back like not even an hour
later saying Trump Tower.
Okay, so not in Paris because there's no
Trump Tower in Paris, which means he
likely means Trump Tower in New York
City. Well, what was going on at Trump
Tower in November of 2016? In November
of 2016, they transitioned Trump Tower
into the whole presidential transition
headquarters. There were a [ __ ] ton of
security measures that needed to be
implemented and anyone coming in and out
needed to go through thorough screening
because of security. Which then makes
this comment from Trump in the Oval
Office in 2019 even more damning where
he says that he hasn't spoken to Epstein
in 15 years. bro was literally in Trump
Tower not three years before helping
with the [ __ ] transition.
Yeah, Donald Trump is in deep dudu. He's
in deep dudu and that's why people are
alleging that this is what's going to
happen when Trump finally leaves office.
Okay, here's my thought on Glain Maxwell
and Trump. And I'm really doing this
video just so I have proof that I said
this because I'm telling you it's going
to happen.
I believe that he told Gla Maxwell,
"Keep your mouth shut
and I will put you in a posh as posious
prison as I can. I cannot pardon you
right now. They will lynch me. I cannot
do that. But keep your mouth shut. Maybe
even say something nice about me and
I'll put you in a cozy prison.
And then on my way out,
if I have to leave, but if I have to
leave and on my way out,
I'll pardon you. Just keep your mouth
shut. Absolutely. And you are very smart
because you left comments saying that.
And I was like, why isn't he pardoning
her now? Or why doesn't he just say he's
not going to do it? And you made a
really good point where the reason why
he is not saying yes or no about
pardoning Galain Maxwell is he needs her
to feel like it could happen in the
future. And so he can't say one way or
another. So he can't say no and make the
MAGA base feel reassured that he is on
their side. He also can't say yes
because that would freak out MAGA. But
if he says no, then Galain would maybe
want to speak or try to get some sort of
uh put some sort of pressure on him. So
I think that's definitely what is
happening with the pardons. Now someone
who also is staying pretty quiet is
Melania Trump. Now, this is biographer
Andrew Lowey who wrote a book about
Epstein. And he alleged that Melania
met Trump through Epstein and that
Melania was actually Epstein's lover.
Now, this was put into a book and I'm
going to tell you what happened after
the clip.
Uh, so here we are with him in Marago as
you see with Epstein. Uh, sorry, can you
see? Okay. uh Epstein, a woman called
Gwendelyn Beck, uh who Andrew took to to
the island. Uh and Melania uh I have I
had various references in my book to
Melania Trump. Epstein had actually been
her lover before um Trump, but Trump
didn't like that in the book. So he uh
ordered it to be withdraw to be taken
out of the book after about 60,000
copies had been printed. So it seemed to
be a pretty pointless gesture, but
anyway, our publishers did it. But I
keep spreading the word.
[Laughter]
I want I want a copy of the I want a
copy of the original book. I want a copy
of the original book. And as you said,
yeah, Trump sued them and they were able
to have that happen. They were able to
remove that from uh from the book. The
first lady's team is forcing retractions
and apologies over published claims
involving Epstein. her husband's
administration is bing at releasing more
of the FBI's files about the sexual
predator whose 2019 death in prison was
ruled in suicide. It does not allege
that Melanie Trump was involved in any
illegal or unethical conduct, but does
claimed that Epstein facilitated the
meeting between her and Donald Trump.
After the book was published on August
14th, Melania's legal team demanded the
passages be removed and that Harper
Collins UK apologized for publishing
false content. Yeah. So again, this is
so interconnected. It's kind of crazy.
Now, about that email with Bubba,
Jeffrey Epste's brother, Mark Epstein,
said this.
I got literally it sent to me a dozen
times this weekend. Did you see the
emails between Jeffrey Epstein and his
brother Mark? Did you say it's proof
that Epstein was covering and had stuff
on Trump as a, you know, his sex life.
this back and forth with Jeffrey where
he tells you that uh Bannon is with him
and you say, "Oh, great. Ask him if
Putin still has photos of Donnie T." I'm
assuming President Trump um with
blowing, which we all know what that
means. Bubba,
let me stop you here. I'm not discussing
that email. This was a private email
between Jeffrey and myself, the two
brothers talking. It's nobody's business
what we wrote. The only thing I
responded to because people got crazy
with the bubber reference and they tried
to pin it on Clinton. So I made a public
statement that it was not any reference
to Bill Clinton. I like Bill Clinton and
I didn't want I sorry for him that he
had to go through that. But the email
had nothing to do with Clinton and
that's my last word on that email.
I'm just gonna say that Galain's horse
is also named Bubba. Was named Bubba.
Just saying. Just saying. So there's
obvious I mean listen the House just
voted and passed that the Epstein files
um should be released and that is now
going to the Senate or that we're going
to see we're going to see if they
actually let the full files be released
if they try to do some sort of um
shenanigans. But clearly there's a lot
behind this that they don't want us to
look at. And I do think that Trump and
Epstein are much more interconnected
than the White House or Trump would like
us to believe. Certainly when you are
suing a book publisher for releasing a
story about how you met and who your
previous lover was and then the author
is so certain about that
evidence that he's saying it even though
they're not allowing it in the book to
me is very telling. Very telling. Well,
we're going to keep following this like
we do all things. So, do please hit like
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EXPOSED: Sloppy Steve Bannon's DARK Epstein Secret!
The Kyle Kulinski Show
Secular Talk
Nov 19, 2025



Transcript

All right, guys. We got to talk about
this big bombshell uh regarding sloppy
Steve Bannon because holy cow is it is
it wild. So, take a look at this from
Raw Story. Text to reveal Trump's
right-hand man promised protection for
Epstein. Quote, "Don't have to worry.
Don't have to worry. Steve Bannon, MAGA
influencer and former White House chief
of staff to President Trump, promised to
shield Jeffrey Epstein from prosecution
just months before his death in prison.
newly unearthed text messages suggested
Monday. Uh the text messages highlighted
by author and academic Karen Piper
Monday were part of a document uh excuse
me a document dump of 20,000 pages of
files from Epstein's estate that were
released by the House Oversight
Committee last week. quote, "If either
one of us in different investigations
will need to testify publicly, it would
be preferred to do it with two nostrils
instead of one," wrote Epstein in a text
dated December 5th, 2018 to a person
who, while their name was redacted, is
believed to be Bannon based on
contextual clues. The Guardian and other
media outlets uh have reported, "You
don't have to worry personally because
I'm sending you somewhere beyond
extradition," wrote back the responder
believed to be Bannon less than 2
minutes later. When the aforementioned
text messages were exchanged, it had
been just over a year since Bannon was
forced out of Trump's administration,
largely over his frequent clashes with
Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump, as well
as suspicious suspicion that he had been
the source of several damaging leaks. In
separate text message exchange uh dated
June 28, 2019, just 43 days before Epste
died in prison, the disgraced financiier
texted the individual believed to be
Bannon about their friendship and how he
believed it struck fear in Trump. Quote,
"Now you can understand why Trump was up
in the middle of the night sweating when
he hears, "You and I are friends,"
Epstein wrote. "Holy shit." Bannon and
Epste had maintained a long relationship
over the years, with the recent document
release revealing more details about
their friendship, including the fact
that Bannon had advised Epstein on how
to rehabilitate his image in the wake of
his 2007 criminal conviction for child
prostitution. Bannon had also shot hours
of interview material with Epstein that
he teased in 2019 but ultimately never
released. A photograph of Bannon was
also discovered to have been prominently
displayed. Jesus Bannon promised to send
Epstein somewhere beyond extradition. So
this is one of the things that just came
out is that uh Sloppy Steve was lying
about how close he was with Jeffrey
Epstein. And um this is a guy also, by
the way, remember he's a known criminal
and Trump pardoned him. He did the whole
build the wall scam. They tried to
privately crowdfund money to build the
border wall, but they just raised the
millions and stole it. And so he
committed fraud. Trump pardoned him. Um
you know, him and Trump were conmen
together, Trump and Bannon. And Bannon
befriended Epstein. He pretended like,
"Oh, I did it so I could get like a
documentary on him or something."
There's reporting that that documentary
actually doesn't exist at all. But he
was trying to explain away why he was so
close with this guy. Oh, I was doing a
documentary, but he never released it.
There is no documentary. It's made up.
It's made up. And then when you see how
close they are in the text, it is
really, really something. So, how about
this one? Bannon, Epstein seemed very
close. Let's go through some of these
because these are crazy. Epstein,
question mark, question mark. Bannon,
will call shortly. Epstein K, didn't
mean to cut you off. Sorry. Bannon,
unsupported message content. Epstein,
continue tomorrow. Focus on Miller with
a winky face. So Epste is saying to
Bannon, "Continue tomorrow, focus on
Miller with a winky face." Bannon says,
"Aa." Epste says, "If you and a Miss
Miller in in quotes, want some privacy,
you can use the island or Palm Beach
House anytime." Bannon responds,
"Thanks, brother. Hold up. Who the [ __ ]
is Miss Miller?" So, you know, some
people are questioning, "Is that Steven
Miller's wife?" I I don't know. Oh, I
don't even know if Steven Miller was
that much in the picture back then. I
don't know who Miss Miller is, but it
almost seems like they're talking in
code because Miss Miller is in quotation
marks. Why? Why is it in quotation
marks? That's very weird. If you and a
Miss Miller So, is Miss Miller a standin
for like one of Epstein's girls that he
traffs? If you and Miss Miller want some
privacy, you can use the island or Palm
Beach home. What is his MO? That [ __ ] is
all bugged, bro. All the rooms in these
houses are bugged. He's offering Bannon
to go there with what sounds like one of
his girls and then he'd have [ __ ]
blackmail on Bannon. Looks like he's
still [ __ ] doing this. Epstein says,
"You 12:00 high. Me high noon." Epstein
and the house you use invite is sincere
and not made often. Bannon, thanks.
Appreciate that. You love high noon and
Grace Kelly was filthy. What? Epste.
Yes. If it were today, she would have
had an easy pass installed on her thigh.
Jesus. Bannon, just a good mainline
Catholic school girl. Epstein, brother,
you should really take Miss Miller to
ranch sometime this summer. Bannon, I'm
all in. Then Epstein sends uh a Daily
Mail article. And Bannon says, "Yep."
Epstein says, "That Trump Kim movie was
more like high at 12:00." Epste says,
Epste sends a page six article. Rudy
Giuliani had an affair with married
woman before divorce. Epste says,
"Driving Rudy nuts." Epste says, "When
you get a chance, chat." And Bannon
says, "Yes, I will call." So, they
really were close as [ __ ] The other
thing is at one point, it's not in this
exchange, but at one point, Epstein asks
Bannon or Bannon asks Epstein if the
thing is true about um Eugene Carol, how
Eene Carol accused Trump of rape in like
a a department store uh changing room.
And I forget who asked who, but one
person asked and the other person said,
"Yes, it's real." So, in other words,
Trump did that [ __ ] So, just absolutely
incredibly disturbing here. They are
buddy buddy. Uh, Epstein to Bannon,
quote, "Reminder, money, medicine, law,
Jews only." To which Bannon responds,
"I've only had Jewish doctors and
lawyers since leaving the Navy. At least
part of the Epstein story is about
Jewish supremacy and exceptionalism."
All right, so let me read you these and
then I have a video because there's a
good documentary that came out on
Netflix about the whole Epstein thing
and it came out a while ago, too. And um
they have a a portion on this. They have
a like they do a little segment on this
in the documentary talking about how
Epstein was genuinely a Jewish
supremacist. Like he believed that he
was superior and only like Ashkanazi
Jews were superior to anybody and
everybody. And so that helped like he
looked at these girls that he was
trafficking as like basically [ __ ]
slave peasants. Like who are you? You're
nothing compared to me. So here let's
read this one here. Um this is one of
the emails I believe it is.
Alternatively, if you take a trip to
Palm Beach, all bloods, etc. can be done
uh my head of Mayo Clinic is a good fan
friend. Reminder, money, medicine, law,
Jews only. And then uh you know, he
responds, this is Bannon responding,
I've only had Jewish doctors and lawyers
since leaving the Navy. So uh now let me
show you the part. This is from that
documentary that I highly recommend. If
you haven't watched it yet, go watch the
documentary on Netflix about uh about
Jeffrey Epstein because it is better
than you would think, right? And this is
how I knew and many other people knew
for a long time about the creepy Epstein
stuff is like it's all out there in the
open. There's been mainstream
documentaries that explain what was
probably going on with him and how shady
his background is. All right, here we
go.
I wasn't allowed to go get food. And
when I called Gilan and asked why I
couldn't eat there, she said, "It's a
Jewish country club. You're not Jewish.
They're not going to serve you. This is
how this woman spoke to me. Yeah. This
is how she This is how these people
think, Whitney. They honest to God think
their DNA is better than everybody else.
I swear to you, it was a very It was a
theme all the time with them with Eileen
Guggenheim, with um you know, Jeffrey
Epstein, with with Elan. It was a theme.
You know, Jeffrey was a lot less
horrible than as far as a human being,
like just being around cuz she was
raping just as many children. to the
country club. You weren't allowed to go
because if it was only for um you know
people of a certain religion, ethnicity,
okay, so
I mean they could cut you down and it
was so morally devastating like it like
just you just felt useless as a human
being when you were told you're nothing
because you're not Jewish, you're
stupid, you're useless, a useless white
girl, a poor little peasant, you know? I
mean, just the things that I was told, I
was just like I believed it, you know,
because it was like a cult. The problem
Yeah. You wouldn't believe the way
Jeffrey and Gilan spoke about
African-Americans. It was like it made
my skin crawl. Anybody who was not
Jewish and sorry about this, but the way
they spoke about them, it was really
horrifying. And it showed me a great
deal about how these people truly
believe that they're chosen to do
something here. I don't know. It's
unbelievable to me. I mean, and it was
every one of them, the way they spoke.
And one time I heard Isabelle say to her
mother, Eileen, "Mommy, why do you call
Maria a nobody?" And she said, "Honey,
Isabelle, Maria is not a Jew. She is a
nobody.
Well, you know, it could be this for
that type of stuff I might actually
include just because um the Maxwell
family has
what's it called?
And um they that group openly talks
about um how only Jews are human and the
rest of human beings are like cattle
basically.
So there is and and by the way this is
the this is where you get Zionism from.
This is where you get what Netanyahu is
doing in Gaza. This is where the
genocide comes from. It comes from this
ideology, this mindset of supremacy.
Supremacy and this idea of like, hey,
manifest destiny. We're going to steal
your land. It's promised to us in the
Bible. We're going to take it. That's
what we're going to do. We're going to
create a greater Israel. We're going to
take all of Gaza. We're going to take
all the West Bank. We're going to take
parts of Lebanon. We're going to
waronger all over the place and steal as
much territory as we [ __ ] want. Then
you have support from the Christian
Zionists because they're also insane and
and you know high on biblical [ __ ]
and they believe like yeah this of
course Israel needs to take more
territory to allow Jesus to come back on
a winged horse and kill most of the
Jews, right? So um and Epstein had that
ideology had that mindset and uh it it
also helps explain how he was able to do
such horrific and atrocious and
disgusting things. They also say, by the
way, there's articles about how he had a
deformed uh tiny penis as well. Kind of
funny because Hitler had the same thing
that we talked about that the other day,
but um just absolutely crazy, absolutely
wild stuff that we're talking about
here. And Steve Bannon is in a very
similar situation to Donald Trump
because Trump pretended for so long, I
got nothing to do with this guy. I
actually broke up with him. We actually
hated each other. I don't know what
you're talking about. And then all these
emails come out. It shows how immensely
close he was with Epstein. well beyond
the date that he pretended like they
broke up. He said they broke up in like
2004. Really? Then why were you at
Epstein's house with one of the victims
in 201 [ __ ] 11?
Why is it that according to the emails,
some of them imply that Epstein spent
Thanksgiving with Trump in 2017?
Like what? So Trump offered Epstein a
spot in his White House in the first
term probably because he was trying to
buy his silence. Hey, don't say anything
about me. Remember, it was Epstein was
leaking things about his relationship
with Trump and then he wound up arrested
and dead in federal custody when the
government was run by Donald Trump.
Okay, it's very clear what's going on
here if you follow closely. But so with
Trump,
he like his whole lie got blown up.
Everybody knows he was best friends with
Epste as Epste literally said on a
secret audio tape recorded by Michael
Wolf. But with Steve Bannon, he's in the
same position now because you became
besties with with uh Jeffrey Epstein
after Trump was right. And uh you know,
it was Bannon who said something like
this is when Trump was running the first
time. He said there's only one person
I'm afraid of that can derail this
campaign. It's Jeffrey Epstein. So
clearly this is a long-term relationship
where Bannon knew of all the dirt that
Epstein had on Trump. And so I don't
know, man. I you can't lead Bannon likes
to think of himself as leading this like
[ __ ] populist revolt. You can't lead
the populist revolt if Epste's got dirt
on your ass too. And if you were besties
with Epstein, too. And all of these
[ __ ] leaks prove that beyond any
doubt whatsoever. So in typical typical
[ __ ] like populist right nonsense
where they pretend like they're on the
vanguard of changing the system and
bringing about the revolution.
Meanwhile, they're
counterrevolutionaries. They're
counterrevolutionaries.
you're buddy buddy with the the, you
know, MSAD blackmailer, right? How are
you going to be America first? How are
you going to represent this country? How
are you going to look out for the
American people when Lord only knows the
the dirt they have on your ass? And you
know that the guy you follow is [ __ ]
blackmailed and compromised and he's
doing Israel's bidding cuz they got
tapes in a vault in Tel Aviv of him
doing ungodly criminal things. So, uh,
sloppy Steve man caught red-handed here.
Red-handed. and his dark past with
Epstein has finally come to light.
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