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Israel, Charlie Kirk, and the Weaponization of Murder (w/ Max Blumenthal) | The Chris Hedges Report
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Sep 15, 2025



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The assassination of Charlie Kirk presages a new deadly stage in the disintegration of a fractious and highly
polarized United States. political violence, including the murder of Minnesota House of Representatives
Speaker Melissa Hortman and her husband and the two assassination attempts against Donald Trump seems certain to
expand. So does state repression of individuals and groups accused by the far right in the Trump administration of
fermenting the hate that led to Kirk's assassination. Trump blames the radical left for Kirk's murder, claiming it is
quote directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today and it must stop right
now. He vows to quote find each and every one of those who contributed to this atrocity and to other political
violence, including the organizations that funded and support it, as well as those who go after our judges, law
enforcement officials, and everyone else who brings order to our society. end
quote. If Trump means what he says, and I suspect he does, we will see the full
force of the federal government used to target Trump's opponents and organizations, including the Democratic
Party, the media, universities, and advocacy groups, which are already under heavy assault. More ominously, it will
give a green light to far-right vigilante groups to carry out violent attacks. Those blamed for polluting
America, including Muslims, the LGBTQ community, groups such as Antifa,
feminist liberals, the left, the undocumented, the poor, and people of color.

Joining me to discuss Kirk's
assassination, what it means for the United States, and the future of our disintegrating democracy, is Max
Blumenthal, editor of The Gray Zone, whose most recent article is, quote, "Charlie Kirk refused Netanyahu funding
offer was frightened by pro-Israel forces before death friends reveal,"
which adds, of course, another fascinating twist to this unfolding saga.

So, Max, before we get into the
ramifications of this assassination in terms of civil liberties and repression, let's talk a little bit
about the article that you just published about Kirk's
alienation or distance from the Zionist lobby. I know you've been writing about Kirk for some time.

Yeah, I've been writing about him since 2015, three years after he started TPUSA, which became the largest, most
influential conservative youth organization in history. And at that
time he was at the forefront of a massive infusion of Israel lobby cash
into his group through the David Horowitz Freedom Center which was basically making him the property of
Israel in exchange in exchange for this sort of Faustian bargain. He was going to be at the top of the conservative youth
grassroots or astroturf grassroots. And so all he he could talk about was
race, immigration, all the social issues, and take the most extreme lines possible, say whatever he
wanted as long as he pushed this so-called Judeo-Christian
relationship and constantly talked about the Judeo-Christian roots
of the country, and supported Israel and attacked the BDS movement, which was growing on campus at the grass roots level
whenever he could.

And so Charlie Kirk was actually at the forefront of
many of the blacklisting operations that have targeted college professors as well
as students. He was in the same circles as those who were
behind Canary Mission, which is now being used to target green card
holders, and visa holders, for deportation under Trump.

So I was covering it early on before anyone had heard about him. He
was a baby-faced activist then, but he was obviously very hardworking,
talented, a huge asset for them. And flash forward to
July of this year, Charlie Kirk is the most influential conservative activist,
period. He's on his way to possibly becoming the next president. Almost certainly would have become senator if,
even though he's from Illinois, and he runs TPUSA, which is major, there's a crisis taking place. Charlie
Kirk is under pressure from his own grassroots on the issue of Israel.
Israel's exerting under Netanyahu so much control on Trump, amid a genocide
that the grassroots have turned against, and if you look at recent polling,
Ugov polling, Pew polling, all of them show about only 25% of Republicans
under 35 support Israel over the Palestinians. If you actually pay attention to what Nick Fuentes, who's
the most influential right-wing America first
streamer says, they're not just upset over Jewish influence. They're not
just being anti-Jewish. They're actually upset by the same things that upset us. The deliberate starvation of the
civilian population unfolding in real time, and watching their president just fold to a foreign apartheid state.

And so this pressure was building within Charlie Kirk's camp, and Charlie Kirk himself was beginning to turn. And it
all exploded out in the open at the Student Action Summit, which I believe was in Tampa, Florida in July 2025. And
that's where Charlie Kirk brought Tucker Carlson, someone who had already turned on this issue, on stage to not only talk
about how Jeffrey Epstein was possibly a Mossad agent, but to call for those
who had gone and fought for Israel, American Jews who had gone to fought for Israel's military rather than the US
military, to be stripped of their citizenship.

And he called out Bill Ackman, one of the most influential
Zionist billionaires in the US, who is a Netanyahu cutout, who had been sort of manipulating and bullying Harvard into
submission. His money got Claudine Gay as president kicked out at Harvard. He mocked
Bill Ackman as a financial con artist. He literally called him a scam artist, and questioned where his money came from.
And the crowd was cheering and delighting in this entire spectacle. Megan Kelly from Fox was calling Jeffrey Epstein a Mossad agent.

Then Charlie Kirk
opened up the floor to a debate on the very issue of Zionism, and brought on an
anti-Zionist Jew, a comedian named Dave Smith, to debate a Zionist apparatchik at
Newsweek named Joshua Hammer. And Dave Smith mopped the floor with him. He's very effective. He was also
talking about human rights abuses, and the crowd was clearly with him.

And after this summit, Charlie Kirk was
bombarded with furious text messages, phone calls. There may have been meetings as well, very tense meetings as
well, with his donors, the people who built him up. And they said, "We built you up. We can take all of this away
from you if you don't stop this." And here they were laying down the law.

And this offended him,
alienated him. He was not used to being talked to like that, as though he were property. But you know, when you join the Firm, you don't get to leave. And at the same time,
I was told by a longtime friend of Charlie Kirk that he was frightened
by the way he was being treated. Basically a mafia was reading him the
riot act. And he wasn't the only one who was frightened.
I was told that. And the source is someone who knows people in
the White House.

Donald Trump's frightened. Donald Trump is afraid to defy Netanyahu. He's afraid about what
can happen. And I was told that during one of Netanyahu's or several of Netanyahu's recent visits to the US, I
think he's made four visits this year, which is unprecedented, listening devices were planted by
Israeli agents on the Secret Services' emergency response vehicles,
maybe Stingray devices, some kind of listening device, electronic surveillance device. This was
found by the Secret Service. It was told to the White House. Obviously, the White House kept it under wraps and this has,
you know, made people nervous inside the White House and the national security team, and this is not something
unprecedented. Politico in 2019 reported citing three former US officials saying that
Israel had planted stingray devices around the White House to spy on Trump's cell phone communications. Boris
Johnson, the former Israeli PM, wrote in his memoir that Netanyahu went to use his personal toilet. And afterwards,
his personal security team found a listening device in his toilet. Like immediately afterwards, Tony Blair told
his own team, "When you go to Israel, do not speak about anything sensitive in government buildings or
cars." So the I don't think I'm being fed a bunch of conspiracy theories here.

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And what I reported, based on background sourcing, matches up with the things that Charlie Kirk said in public, that he was
being bombarded by what he called Jewish stakeholders, meaning his funders, and that he felt
that he could not express his own views anymore as an American. And he was
starting to move in public.

So consider the consequence of a figure like Charlie
Kirk, who's on his way to basically inheriting the mantle of Trumpism at
some point, and who controls a large segment of that movement, taking the base away from the Judeo-Christian
relationship, taking it away from rock-solid support for Israel, as Israel is in a seven-front
war, carrying out genocide, and Netanyahu believes that he has this short window of time to basically carry out regime
change in Iran. It would have been catastrophic.

And I also learned from multiple sources that Charlie Kirk
actually took it upon himself personally to go to the White House, and personally lobby Trump against bombing Iran back in
June, and that he was shut down. Trump angrily rebuked him because Trump is simply afraid. He's completely
controlled at this point by Netanyahu.

So, am I saying that Israel killed Charlie
Kirk? How would I know that? There's no evidence for that. But how am I going to
not report this fascinating background about where the conservative movement in the Republican party itself
are going on the question of Israel, when I'm learning all of this after his death,
and there are so many unusual aspects
to the investigation, so many mishaps by the FBI, and such
strange behavior by the Israeli government and Netanyahu himself since Charlie Kirk's killing, that it has
fueled speculation by millions of people online that there may have been an
Israeli role. I mean, why wouldn't they speculate when Israel seems to assassinate everyone that defies it in
its own region, and has even dispatched thousands of pagers to
low-level Hezbollah members and their families to assassinate them. It's
something that we would expect in this atmosphere. But I am not making any direct claim that Israel
assassinated him. What I'm saying is I think they would have taken him out. The
Israel lobby would have taken him out for sure, but they would have preferred not to do it, or need to do it
physically. They could just defund him, and then castigate him, as they're doing with figures like Candace Owens, or
Tucker Carlson who have turned against them.

So this is just a fascinating look, and it won't
be my last one at Charlie Kirk's final days, and the political pressure he
was under.

How much money was he getting number one, and number two, can you talk about
Netanyahu's reaction, because you write about it in your piece, his interactions with
Kirk.

Well, this is something that was not known to the public and
I hope to be able to report this out in greater detail. But I
was told by a friend of Kirk, someone close to Kirk who was speaking to him in his last days, that Netanyahu
actually came in and personally offered to re-up Kirk's TPUSA
organization with a massive infusion of Zionist money. And
his budget at its height was something like $80 million. I mean,
we're talking about a lot of money.

Just watch the student action summit that became so controversial. There's
nothing like it on the left, or even within the Democratic parties' associated
organizations. It's very flashy. Look at Charlie Kirk's final moments. I mean,
it looked almost like he was running for president. It looked like a Trump
rally. And he had an enormous amount of former Navy Seals, and special forces guys around him, like
executive security. You have to have a lot of money for that. So, he already had the money, but he was at risk
of losing much of it. And Netanyahu comes in and says basically,
"Come to the dark side. Stop talking about this, and we will take care of you.
I will call my cutouts, and they'll have everything handled." And Charlie Kirk refused. And that was what I'm learning is that that was not the first time he refused someone close to Netanyahu in recent months. And it left
him feeling cold, and anxious, and even in the words of the friend, "frightened."

I've had some conversations with other
influential people in the right-wing influencer world since my piece came
out, and basically they want me to know that this is something they're
all facing at all of the major right-wing media organizations associated with Trump, that there is no
space for them to criticize Israel. And one figure I could point
to, I've actually been on his podcast, he's one of the top right-wing podcasters if you go to Rumble,
which is sort of the YouTube alternative because so many right-wing voices were being banned there, and even us Chris,
more on the left, we get demonetized left and right, and suppressed. So we've even turned to Rumble. But
you go to Rumble, like Tim P is one of the first. If he's live streaming, that comes up right away. And so he gets an
enormous amount of views. And when I went on his show right after
October 7th, he gave me the floor, and let me speak my mind.

Tim P was
summoned to a meeting with Netanyahu during one of Netanyahu's visits under Trump's second term at the
Blair House, where Netanyahu is staying with just a few other right-wing
GOP affiliated media influencers, and he was not allowed
to talk about what happened. I think one of his co-hosts, or guests, brought up the meeting on his podcast, and you
could see he was extremely nervous, extremely anxious. And it's like, "Was he
captured somehow by Netanyahu?"

I mean the pressure that Netanyahu himself is personally bringing on the right-wing
podcast world really shows his anxiety about the rebellion that's taking place
among the youth. And after my article came out, which got over 100,000 unique views on our website, then I did an interview with Tim
Dylan, who's a very popular comedian about this, which has erupted. It's
600,000 views now, just exploding across social media as people were
already talking about this issue.

Netanyahu takes to Twitter-X for the
sixth or seventh time since Charlie Kirk's killing, to declare that Charlie Kirk was a true friend of Israel. And
this time, it felt like Netanyahu was overcompensating,
and was afraid of the truth getting out, which is that as Charlie Kirk's longtime
friend told me, Charlie Kirk had grown to hate Netanyahu, as every US leader
has.

Remember the open mic with Macron, and Obama, the
hot mic in 2012 or something? They're complaining about Netanyahu, and they're like, "You think you have
trouble dealing with him. He calls me every day."

That's where Charlie Kirk was. He thought Netanyahu was a disgusting
bully, and manipulator.

So Netanyahu is worried that Charlie Kirk's base,
posthumously, will start to take on that
sentiment towards him. And you can see they're deploying Ben Shapiro
everywhere they can. Ben Shapiro is like the leading media asset for
Netanyahu in the United States. He just feels like astroturf to me. He
even jokes on Twitter about having six million followers, but he seems so unlikable and talentless, and he's
pushing a kind of warmed-over Trumpism that just doesn't feel
authentic. And he's on Fox News with the other major Zionist
enforcer in the media, who Netanyahu helped personally credit with convincing Trump to bomb Iran, Mark Levin, just
days before Charlie Kirk's assassination. And they were alluding to Charlie Kirk allowing Tucker Carlson on stage this summer and saying, "You can't have a big tent. You cannot allow these cooks in,
and you can't be at the front of the church allowing a congregation of anti-Israel nut jobs into your realm." Then Charlie Kirk goes to the front of the church 4 days later, and a sniper bullet hits him in the neck. And
Ben Shapiro comes out 24 hours later and says, "We need to go on our own campus
tours, and pick up the bloody microphone where Charlie Kirk left it." The subtext
is, "We're going to go on those campus tours, and we're not going to allow this anti-Israel stuff to come into our quote
unquote "church" anymore."

Let's talk a little bit about the
ramifications of this. One of the things that we've seen over the last few months as the genocide, as you said,
across the political spectrum becomes so repugnant, is Netanyahu's courting of
alternative media. He almost never goes on mainstream media.

Yeah. Great question. Netanyahu never goes
on Israeli media, and you know that from your years in
the region, and having Israeli sources who say that anyone who isn't Likud in Israel
constantly complains that Netanyahu will never talk to Hebrew language media. Because he can't take a
challenge. He wants to dominate, and get his
message across. And his message is best sent to Americans as long as he can
hold his tiny narrow edge in his coalition together by keeping the genocide going, and keeping the fascist,
messianic elements as his lynchpin. The Israeli public doesn't matter. The
hostages can all die. What matters is keeping his direct line to Washington,
and to Trump.

And the biggest challenge, once again, was Charlie Kirk. It
was the conservative youth who are in this open rebellion against Israel. And so on his last tour to the US, Netanyahu
sat down with the Neelk boys. I wasn't that familiar with them, because I
have an IQ higher than a grapefruit, and they cater to a very low IQ audience
that likes pranks, and fratboy kind of bawdy humor. And they themselves admitted
after the interview, which was like a softball interview where they asked Netanyahu,
"Do you like better McDonald's or Burger King more?"
And they admitted after the interview, that the questions were fed to them by Netanyahu's team.

Number two, they
didn't know who Netanyahu was, and after learning about it from more educated
members of their audience, they decided that he was the new Hitler, and they felt bad about interviewing the new
Hitler.

Netanyahu has carried out several interviews, with basically the most
vacuous podcasters in the US. And why would you even agree to interview Netanyahu? I mean, of course, he's a
world leader. So you want the engagement. But there must be some kind of financial incentive there. And if the pro-Netanyahu elements in the US, fronted by Barry Weiss, paid for by
David Ellison, the son of Oracle CIA contractor Larry Ellison, are going to
buy CBS News, and put Barry Weiss at the head of the editorial team, it's pretty
clear what's going on. They're not in just a seven-front war, they're in an eight-front war, with the United
States as the eighth front. And it's a hybrid war mainly focused on
propaganda. But when that fails, they will escalate.

Let's talk about that, because since Kirk's assassination, we have seen in particular the
Zionist lobby weaponize his murder to call for this quote "War against the radical left." Is it Brian Mast who pushed a
bill to authorize the secretary of state to revoke passports to quote, "kick
out terrorist sympathizers" out of the country? This of course follows
Tom Cotton's demand, after the genocide had started
on October 7th, for the justice department national security to investigate news outlets such as AP,
CNN, New York Times, Reuters, for publishing photographs of October
7.

They've weaponized this. You know, you have this
breach between Kirk and the Zionist and Israel lobby, yet at the same time,
his assassination, his elevation to martyrdom, is really being used by the
Israel lobby to go after everybody who not only criticizes
Israel, but everyone on the Left.

Yeah. I mean, they see the Left as the
main base of BDS, who elevated this issue to a national crisis.
The Left is their main target. Netanyahu sees a marriage of radical leftism and
Islam, what David Horowitz called the Red-Green Alliance, as the main threat in the US. And so in
his first Fox News appearance, before the suspect's identity, Tyler Robinson, was even known, Netanyahu blamed Muslims. He blamed
radical Islam for doing this, the same way that he declared in comments
reported in the Israeli paper Mahariv, in 2008, that 911 was good
for Israel. If Muslims could be found to be responsible, well, that's good for Israel.

It's also good for the GOP. The
Utah governor openly declared during a press conference that he was praying that the culprit would be a foreigner,
and "not one of our own guys," meaning Tyler Robinson of Utah.
He just openly admitted it standing right in front of Kash Patel, an immigrant from India. The FBI
director looked kind of uncomfortable in that position. The identity of the killer, and the
motive, was determined before Charlie Kirk's body went cold. And the agenda
was already there the same way that the Patriot Act had already been assembled prior to 9/11 2001. And it is an agenda
of mass repression, crushing dissent, basically criminalizing
what they consider anti-Israel activity.

And we've seen this week, with Brian ____'s bill, which is basically
Israel's agenda to strip Americans of citizenship if they're accused of providing material support, which can be
anything, to Iran and Israel's enemies, --

So, just to interrupt, Max, people who have provided legal advice to groups are
accused of providing material support to terrorist groups.

Yes. And there is no due process for them under this bill. Normally, it would go to a court. In this case, it's
the exclusive authority of the Secretary of State, someone created by the Israel
lobby, basically an AIPAC plant, Marco Rubio. And where is Marco Rubio right now? Marco Rubio is kissing the wall. Right now he's leaving the cotell in the old city of Jerusalem,
where he was forced to carry out this humiliation ritual, that every US politician who wants to rise does,
where they have to put on a keepa, and Netanyahu takes him to the western wall, and they have to basically kiss the wall. It's like, "Up against the wall, motherfucker. You want to be a politician?"

And he's there with Mike Huckabee, the Christian Zionist who
really believes in that stuff, who is basically doing genocide management for the US in Gaza
right now, overseeing the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation starvation siege. This is just a
shocking display to witness.

And then back home you have Steven Miller, who himself is an arch Zionist, who is
running the entire agenda for Donald Trump right now -- he's sort of the Rove-ian brains behind this
authoritarian crackdown that they want to implement -- telling Sean Hannity that, "We will put you into exile, and we will
take away your freedoms if you minimize Charlie Kirk's death. We will put you
into exile." What does that mean? It means taking away your citizenship. This is what they want to do. It's on
the table. It's playing out on social media in a vigilante fashion on a site called Charlie's murderers.com, who is doxing thousands and thousands of
Americans not only for celebrating Charlie Kirk's death, which I personally found to be deeply antisocial, that shows a lack of humanity, but
also minimizing his death, or calling him a racist, or like you, putting his
views in context. And they're losing their jobs. It's a dystopian scenario.

The right-wing is playing
cancel culture to the extreme. But it's playing to win, unlike the left, which was trying to enforce a
very narrow moral code by getting people, within their own
media organizations, canceled, and so on. The right is playing to win. They want to fully isolate Left-wing dissent from
society, and they're exploiting this in a way that raises a lot of questions
before there's been a full investigation of this shooting yet.

Tyler Robinson is
not cooperating. I haven't seen the confession. Apparently, everyone close to him is cooperating. We don't have the
information, but they don't care. They want to ram through this agenda which totally dovetales with what they've been
doing with ICE. This is ICE isn't just about immigration. It's about normalizing secret police in our society
that violate people's fourth and sixth amendment rights and are able to essentially kidnap anyone who is a
resident in the US and take them to de facto concentration camps. And the
budget, Trump's big beautiful bill, has put these secret police on hyperdrive.
The the the the kidnapping of Latinos who are suspected of being undocumented migrants is a pilot program for a larger
agenda. Yeah, without question. I mean, and of course, the expansion of these detention
centers uh are uh you know, regionally going to have in essence de facto concentration
camps dotted throughout the United States. What what what do you expect to
see coming? I they've gone after George Soros. Uh I mean the insanity of it, but what
are we going to see in terms of their game plan o over the next few weeks and months?
Well, I mean, I hate George Soros and what he's done across the world is malign. I mean, he's a CIA adjacent.
Well, let me let me just interrupt, Max. I mean George source did exactly what the aid uh democracy initiatives did
which is crush any kind of popular or resistance movements. I mean that's the kind of final irony but yeah
exactly and and you know this this this this relates to a wider
conversation I think about the left the postb left is the role of foundation
money in the left. I know Christian parent is working on a book about this. How this foundation money from the Ford
Foundation, Open Societies, was basically used to suppress and sort of
neutralize anti-war and class-based activism within the left and get people more focused on issues that didn't
threaten the Democratic Party, which was controlled by the rich, like anti-racism. not not not you know understanding the
racialized roots of poverty but just this vague concept of anti-racism and all of these other social issues. It's a
se it's a sort of separate conversation but where I think things are going in this country is very dark and res um
recalls the years of lead in Italy. The years of lead were u driven by or
punctuated and accelerated by political terrorism and political assassination.
It's uh it was a strategy of tension which was being orchestrated
by the intelligence services not just the Italian intelligence services that
were affiliated with NATO. the CIA was involved and um Israeli intelligence may
have been involved as well in the killing of Aldo Mororrow um the Italian
prime minister. So let's consider the 1969 Milan cafe bombing uh Piaza Fontana
bombing. This was like what what launched the years of lead and it was a false flag
operation that was carried out by staybehind armies recruited by the CIA
under Operation Gladadio from far-right fascist groups which would have collaborated with Hitler during his
occupation of Italy as well as like they were also recruiting within the mafia and it was blamed on left-wing
anarchists. That's not what I'm saying happened here. I'm just talking I I just I'm trying to make a larger point. The
reason that the security services did this was they feared they actually did fear in some way far-right fascism, but
their primary concern was communism and leftism in general. and they felt like
if the situation became destabilized and the public became afraid they would
adhere to the security states agenda which was in that case pro- NATO. Um I
also mentioned the kidnapping and killing of Aldo Mororrow. Um Aldo Morrow
was the last of a kind in Italian um politics. 1978 he was kidnapped by
the red brigades and it began it really accelerated the social unrest and fear
that the middle class Italian public felt after uh following like Gladio and
everything and he was held for days by the red brigades. They put him on a mock
trial and then uh after killing his security team and kidnapping him during
like um with his motorcade and they accused him of selling out the
working class and um making it Italy an imperialist state. But if you know,
historians have looked back at what Mora was doing and seen that he was actually
privately allowing arms to pass through Italy to Palestinian resistance groups,
that he was taking a um very not necessarily friendly stance toward
Israel, that he was a friend of unions and workingclass syndicates, and that
the Red Brigades had actually, I mean, this is confirmed, the Red Brigades had been infiltrated heavily by the
intelligence services. Many suspect the Israeli intelligence service. Um and it
crushed the national unity government and actually moved Italy further to the right to the point where now um Giorgio
Maloney I mean I Georgio Maloney sort of reflects this legacy as this right-wing leader. So the strategy of tension in
the US has been building since 2020. And I can point to one incident then that I
think is a a perfect microcosm of what I'm talking about. Kenosha, Wisconsin,
the Kyle Writtenhouse shooting, which is poorly understood by people on the left who supported BLM.
Kyle Writtenhouse was acting in a vigilante fashion to guard uh local
business with his weapon out along with other local men from
lutters and riers who were destroying local businesses in a completely nihilistic fashion. A group of prob
marchers was marching around soon after looting. They were not they were not smashing up businesses. They were just
marching randomly. And their own crowd had been seated with
people who had never protested before. or one of whom was a local mental patient, a young man who had just been
let out mysteriously of a local mental hospital and dropped off at their demonstration by police. The police
directed the marchers directly to where Kyle Writtenhouse and his group of
vigilantes were and several of the marchers began physically attacking Kyle
Writtenhouse. One pulled a pistol on him. Kyle Writtenhouse shot them. He also shot the young man who had been a
mental patient. And this inflamed racial hatred across the United States as Kyle
Writtenhouse was actually accused of going across state lines to hunt down black people. The police had no reason
to push the crowd and direct them to where Kyle Writtenhouse was except to inflame that conflict. Do I know that
there was some higher order there? No. But this was what I was seeing in my own
uh just just being out there in the country at the time. And it was also at
a time when COVID was beginning to grip the country and the unvaccinated were being pitted against the vaccinated. The
we're just constantly being pitted against each other by narratives that come from the top. And that is where
Trump wants this to go because Trump has promised a new golden age for the 1%.
It's not for the rest of us. And the 1% is has been terrified. Not just since
the Charlie Kirk shooting is primarily terrifying the podcaster class. Since the shooting of I think his name was
Brian Johnson, the United Healthcare CEO by Luigi Manion.
Steve Bannon, former Trump chief of staff, gave a talk to a group of
financial elites and tech elites. I believe it was in Silicon Valley. many of them were not Republicans. And he
said, "Here is our promise to you. Here's why." This was like, I think at the beginning of the second Trump term.
He said, "This is why you should support MAGA because this guy Luigi Manion went out and shot one of you. This is going
to happen more and more. We are entering a period of social unrest and social social turmoil and we will protect you."
So what we are going to see now is a policy crafted for the elite that is
terrified of this environment and at the same time a policy to drive us the rest of us who have nothing who are in debt
who are uh don't really see much of a uh
a financial future in the US. They're going to pit us all against each
other through a strategy of tension and then repress us all and let us say whatever we want online. We won't be
banned anymore. We can say whatever we want on Elon's Twitter X. We have freedom of speech. As he said, we have
freedom of speech but not freedom of reach. And that freedom of speech will be used to
surveil us further and ruin our lives if we are provoked into saying the wrong things. What kind of infrastructure do
you foresee uh in terms of I mean we've already seen the capitulation of
universities even the capitulation of mainstream media organizations such as CNN
uh how's how's what's the landscape going to look like how is it going to be
deformed it's going to look a lot like the McCarthy era and that is an in been a
major inspiration to the Right. Um, you know, we've seen right-wing
organizations like, um, what was it? Uh, CPAC, I think, was giving out like young
McCarthy awards back during the mid 2000s. Um, Steven Miller, I think, sees
McCarthy as sort of a hero. And so, what has the Trump
administration done? They have gotten Berkeley you UC Berkeley to furnish a na
a list of 160 anti-Israel anti-Semitic professors with
professor Judith Butler at the top of it. That's what we're seeing along with the
defunding of universities for allowing students for justice in Palestine to
exist for allowing protests on their campus. It's a the biggest free speech crackdown
possibly since the McCarthy era, certainly the most transparent one. And it's being conducted in many cases on
behalf of a foreign apartheid state. There's now a lot of um grassroots calls
I see online for a Charlie Kirk act. Remember, this is something the right always does is they name an act after a
martyr of their um culture comp, their culture war. They had the Lake and Riley
Act, a woman who was murdered by a Venezuelan migrant. And the Lake and
Riley act basus
of a crime and the requires law enforcement to jail them and sequester
them from society without any due process, which is unconstitutional. The Charlie Kirk Act that's being pushed
online is an attack on media independence and will do a a lot of what
the Biden administration was doing to online media, which is to censor and
punish any media organization or individual who's accused of mis or
disinformation. I don't. And so the right is basically picking up where the Biden
administration left off, just directing it against their enemies. I don't think that will um be the form that such an
act takes, but I expect some kind of Charlie Kirk act to take place. I expect
the uh investigation that the FBI is carrying out to be incomplete, just as
the investigation of the um um the young man who shot Donald Trump um what was
his name? Matthew. Um,
the Butler shooting, the Butler, PA shooting. Uh, we we it feels like that was shut
down. Ryan Ralph, the shooter who was the wouldbe shooter at Mara Lago, who was recruiting for the Ukrainian Foreign
Legion in Kiev and who had had meetings on Capitol Hill. We don't hear about that anymore. So I expect them to try to
sort of bury any uncomfortable or inconvenient facts there. And then
finally, I think there will be a push to label Antifa as a terrorist
organization. The same way that the British state and British intelligence
have labeled Palestine Action, an anti-war group that has never harmed a single person, which was carrying out
direct action against Israeli defense facilities, has been prescribed as a terrorist organization in the UK, which
means that you are not allowed in the UK to declare your support on a t-shirt for
Palestine Action without being jailed for supporting terrorism. And the
difference there though is that Palestine Action is a real organization.
It it was sort of an amorphous organization, but it had a brand. Antifa is not. And we don't even know what
Antifa is. And Antifa is something that, as you wrote in a piece that I think
really stands the test of time about black block, an aspect of Antifa back during Occupy Wall Street, is easily and
constantly and comprehensively infiltrated by federal law enforcement.
It's basically one of they're basically a chaos agent for federal law
enforcement, but they're not a real organization. You can't determine who's a member of it.
except through um what bullet engravings or t-shirts.
And so it allows if if Antifa is prescribed as a terrorist organization in the US, it pretty much allows anyone
on the left who gets involved in direct action or protest activity to be labeled as a terrorist as well.
I just want to throw in Ellen Shreker who did all the great work on uh McCarthyism, no ivory tower, her books
and etc. So she says this period is worse than McCarthy because there you
saw blacklists and people uh being pushed out of schools and universities. The FBI actually used to show up at high
schools with lists. Uh but she said here they're capturing institutions.
That's right. I mean they it's a it is a march through institutions
as and and they're also just simply eliminating institutions as well that can't be captured.
All right, thanks. That was Max Blumenthal. Uh, check out his great work
on the Greyzone. Uh, and thanks to Sophia, Diego, Thomas, and Max who
produce the show. You can find me at chris edges.substack.com.
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Kash Patel INCOHERENT On Kirk Assassin Manifesto
Breaking Points
Sep 16, 2025 Breaking Points

Krystal and Saagar discuss confusing new details on the Charlie Kirk assassination.



Transcript

Morning everybody. Happy Tuesday. Have an
amazing show for everybody today. What
do we have Crystal?
Indeed we do. Lot to get to this
morning. So we've got the very latest
with regard to the investigation into
Charlie Kirk's assassin. We're also
going to break down this fight between
Candace Owens and Bill Aman over whether
or not pressure was applied to Charlie
Kirk towards the end of his life with
regard to Israel. There's a lot to get
to there. Um, also we don't want to miss
other news that is breaking the world.
Trump blew up another Venezuela boat
yesterday as we seemingly edge even
closer to a regime change operation
there. Um he also apparently had a heads
up about that Israeli strike on Qatar
though they're denying it but Israeli
officials leaked to Barack Ravid and it
is very likely as we said on that day
that Trump would have a heads up with
regard to that. So we'll break that down
for you. Um this also happens as uh the
Gaza City ground invasion has begun. So
lots to get to there. We're also going
to take a look at um we didn't get to
this yesterday because we talked too
much today. We will get to it. Zoron
picking up some new endorsers and um
actually we had some news as well.
Andrew Cuomo now trying to distance
himself from his previous positions on
Israel which pretty interesting turn of
events and I've got a monologue today.
I'm going to be taking a look at the
rise of the Black Pill killers. So, um,
putting together some of the recent
school shootings and what we know about,
uh, Tyler Robinson and asking if this is
a broader societal phenomenon that we
now are going to be dealing with, which
is quite terrifying, frankly.
I'm looking forward to that. Thank you
to everybody who's been supporting the
show. Really means a lot in crazy times
like this. So, let's go ahead and get
uh, as Crystal said, to the Cash Patel
latest clown show uh, that we have seen
on display. It's absolutely shocking
honestly to even see the way that this
man is conducting himself in public and
uh it would all be a joke if it not only
was he's not the top law enforcement
officer in the entire country but his
public statements remember can all be
used at trial should Tyler Robinson
contest his innocence at trial. Defense
lawyers and others potentially taking
advantage of all of the misstatements
and some of the timeline and other
things that Cash Patel has now laid out
that make absolutely no sense. So, here
is the latest from attorney g from
sorry, the FBI director Cash Patel in a
Fox News interview yesterday, which was
totally all over the map. Let's take a
listen.
All right, FBI director Cash Patel joins
us now. I can't imagine, Mr. Director,
how busy you've been, especially uh
Charlie Kirk isn't just a impactful
person. He's your friend. So, I
understand that. But having said that,
people are looking to you to find out is
how big this investigation is going to
be. Can you tell us the latest?
Absolutely. It's so good to be with you
and you're right. My personal feelings
and relationship with Charlie, I have a
job to do for the American people and
I've committed to do it for President
Trump.
So yeah, that's uh the first statement
that we have here from uh Mr. Patel. But
the most important stuff that really
starts to uh actually break down are
some of the misstatements in particular
about the investigation. You'll remember
that if you look at this quote
unofficial timeline and more that's been
laid out by the government, there really
is a lot of stuff, Crystal, which
doesn't make sense. So, for example, we
have things about the screwdriver and
whether Tyler Robinson was able to
assemble the rifle uh up on the roof,
disassemble it, take it down while
jumping off, reassemble it, stash it in
the woods before it's eventually found.
This is also comporting with claims of
finding DNA evidence on the said towel,
but we don't actually see the towel.
We've looked at the video in which it
was uh wrapped up. Remember also, you
know, the official narrative is about
driving in changing clothes. We don't
have photos specifically about what
those clothes look like. I could go on.
I mean, there's so many more uh that he
has laid out here and he is completely
unable to lay that out um in answer some
of these questions. Take a listen to
that. on the ground um on the around
5:00 p.m. local on September 11th was
walk the entire crime scene, including
the foots the sub suspect himself took.
And what we learned was there was
evidence, DNA evidence that could be
collected and had been collected,
including a screwdriver that was found
on the rooftop. Also, we went over to
the scene in the wooded area where the
firearm was discarded and the firearm
had a towel wrapped around it. And I can
report today that the DNA hits from the
towel that was wrapped around the
firearm and the DNA on the screwdriver
are positively processed for the suspect
in custody. Remember about that
screwdriver, the fact that it was then
reassembled or it was found assembled in
the woods remains highly relevant.
Another reason why that initial thing
about the cash Patel and his personal
relationship with Charlie Kirk is that
any defense lawyer could say that there
was a personal matter and potentially
corrupted the investigation. It is a bit
complicated because as of right now it's
not a federal case. It is handle being
handled largely by Utah authorities
although they are looking for potential
ways for it to go federal. But all of
this matters in a court of law. the fact
that the timeline does not match up with
the uh I mean just doesn't pass basic
muster for you know the idea is that you
were ch you had an outfit of which we
have not yet seen and allegedly is which
the suspect is identified. This
reassembly is a major question for the
investigation. The charging documents
have not yet been made public. So we're
not yet clear to the official timeline
that will be contested in a court of
law. And we haven't even yet got to the
alleged note that uh Robinson confessed
to. Anything you want to say before we
play that?
Just on the screwdriver. Um so what
cashell is saying there is screwdriver
was found on the roof. Um presumably you
know where the killer was stationed when
he took that fatal shot. Um the reason
why there's a lot of questions around
this is because they released that video
of him jumping off the roof where look
it's blurry. It's difficult to tell
exactly what's going on there, but you
can't visibly see the firearm. So, was
it disassembled?
And then if the screwdriver was on the
roof, but the gun is found reassembled
and was how did he do that? Um, so
that's those are some of the some of the
pieces, you know, that raise question
marks that the government's going to
have to fill in of exactly, okay, what
was he wearing? Where was he wearing?
How did he change? How did he assemble?
How did he reassemble? Where was the
gun? You know, presumably the gun was in
that backpack in the stairwell photos.
All of those sorts of things they will
have to answer. And any, you know, good
defense attorney is going to be asking
these same questions and trying to poke
holes in that narrative. And I said this
yesterday, but I really like go and
watch the OJ documentary if you want to
know how this is done and how an
effective defense attorney can pick
apart a government's narrative. To your
point about the personal relationship,
you know, another thing that they'll be
arguing is that this was uh politicized
from the beginning, from the beginning.
They wanted to pin this on Tyler
Robbins, that they were looking to do
it. that the even this the open
discussion here of the DNA evidence
could be problematic because that type
of evidence has to be introduced with an
expert. It's not a yes or no it's it's
his DNA or not. It's a probabilistic
question. So even things like that um
can end up coming back to bite you when
you're in a court of law. Now I suspect
that they probably are going to have
sufficient evidence to be able to
convince a jury of his peers, but it's
worth raising the question. is also an
indication just that Cash doesn't know
what the hell he's doing. He doesn't
have any idea the way that he could be
screwing over their case here. He
shouldn't be involved in evidence
collection. You know, he's he is is not
the person to be doing that, but he
wants to make himself look like he's
doing something like he's on the scene,
like he's an important part of this so
that he can save his own job. As we, you
know, discussed yesterday, he is under
fire and the knives are out for him
within the administration.
There are two separate things. First of
all, Tyler Robinson's def, you know,
potential defense. he's not cooperating
with authorities. Dan Bonino said that
he's currently placed on suicide watch.
So, obviously, we're all going to be
watching that very carefully. There's
that, but there's also, look, this was a
highly public figure uh for whom the
questions around the assassination all
should be answered specifically if you
don't want conspiracy and other
questions to arise and especially if
it's going to become a political
flagship. And that's especially why this
is important here with Cash Patel's
latest claim that a note was found in
which Tyler Robinson allegedly confessed
that he had murdered Charlie Kirk.
However, he now says that that note did
not exist, but that they can prove it
does ex or it it did exist, but they can
prove that uh it used to exist even
though it does no longer exist right
now. See, I'm getting tripped up because
his own language is so unclear.
Impossible to even discern what he's
actually saying. We're about to show
you.
We will play it here for yourself. And
here you can here's your takeaway. Let's
take a listen.
The written note we believe what did
exist and we have evidence to show what
was in that note which is um and I'm
going to uh summarize basically saying I
the suspect wrote a note saying I have
the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk
and I'm going to take it. That note was
written before the shooting. um evidence
of existence we now have learned existed
before the shooting was in the location
um in the suspect and partner's home.
But we have since learned that the note,
even though it has been destroyed, we
have found forensic evidence of the
note. And we have confirmed what that
note says because of our aggressive
interview posture at the FBI.
Our aggressive interview posture at the
FBI. Interview with whom? Where was the
note? Who? What are you saying? Did you
conduct an interview with the trans
boyfriend uh with a roommate with
members of the discord? Where did these
messages come from? How was such note,
you know, given forward? And you're
putting this forward before any of the
charging documents. I mean, this is the
problem with not just the podcaster FBI,
but it really is just the rank
incompetence and also just wanting
stardom in appearing on Fox News for
Nobody asked you to go on Fox News for
15 minutes. Nobody, absolutely nobody in
the world said that you needed to do
that. Uh you are corrupting a law
enforcement investigation, dramatically
confusing the public and potentially
influencing the defense of a killer or
alleged killer who we all want to see
brought to justice. So everywhere that
every single way that you square it,
it's nuts. And again, it just fits not
only with the incompetence, but with a
lot of the misstatements which really
could come back to haunt them at trial.
The latest one also is on Discord. So,
there's a new claim from the FBI that
Tyler Robinson actually did confess.
Potentially, this is what Cash meant. We
don't know because nobody even asked him
that he allegedly confessed to the
murder of Charlie Kirk while he was in
this Discord chat. Here are the details
that they said yesterday, but they
haven't released said messages. So, take
a listen.
About 2 hours before he was turned into
authorities. This according to the
Washington Post, we are working to
independently confirm this as well, but
the Washington Post says that Tyler
Robinson, the 22-year-old suspect
charged in Charlie Kirk's murder,
confessed, and I want to read this.
According to the Washington Post,
writing on Discord, that social media
chat group uh that the FBI says he used,
quote, "Hey guys, I have bad news for
you all. It was me at UVU yesterday. I'm
sorry for all of this." This coming from
the Washington Post. Now, this comes as
DOJ officials began late last week and
over the weekend looking at the
potential for at least one federal
charge. No guarantee they'll get there.
A department spokesperson declined
comment, but a source familiar said
investigators are not ruling anything
out at this time, especially his online
gaming presence, his chats, as we just
mentioned. Who was he talking to? The
reason why this is very confusing is
remember Discord initially put out a
statement that the statements made by
the Utah governor that he had helped
plan Tyler Robinson allegedly helped
plan the assassination of Charlie Kirk
on Discord. Discord put out statements
that those messages don't exist. Discord
has since put out a statement Crystal
and said that these messages do appear
to be consistent with the account that
was linked to Tyler Robinson some 2
hours before he turned himself in. But
again, it remains very unclear what the
previous messages that they alluded to
even are. And to the full statement, the
transcript and all of that has not yet
been released. So, well, look, I want to
be clear. We're not alleging conspiracy
or any of that. I want to be absolutely
clear about that. What we are showing is
the rank incompetence here by the FBI,
the lack of communication, the raising
of questions here legitimately about
Cash Patel and the FBI's own handling of
this investigation and the relevance
that that means for law enforcement
matters and obviously what is a heinous
assassination, but also one that is
potentially going to be used, as we'll
get to just in a little bit, for
political purposes. And so that's why
the facts on this stuff really matter.
And you know, if we look at these
history of these investigations, every
single one is more questions than
answers. The uh Trump assassination, we
don't know a goddamn thing about him.
Case closed by Cash Patel, by the way,
and his FBI. Uh I will remind everybody
about Vegas. I mean, I'm sorry. There is
not a goddamn thing about the Steven
Paddock case that makes a lick of sense.
If he had been alive and they had to
prosecute him, good luck. Uh yeah, I
mean, things like saying that no video
or whatever existed in a Vegas casino.
Really? I mean, I could go on forever
really in in a lot of these
investigations all the way back to Waco
and and everything. So, what I'm telling
you is not that there is some grand
conspiracy necessarily, but that the
screw-ups, the explanations, etc., have
always been a breeding ground for people
to, I think, legitimately say what the
hell is going on here and especially if
it's going to be used for political
weaponization purposes.
Yeah, that's exactly right. I mean, when
I was scrolling yesterday on Twitter,
practically every post was some new
theory of like, "Oh, look at this guy
over here. Look at this video. Look at
how he moves his arm. This is the real
killer." I mean, like a hundred
different theories that I saw. So, this
is already going on. So when you have
the government which first the Utah
governor said that there were discord
messages that you know where he was
effectively planning the shooting. Then
Discord comes out and says that doesn't
happen. Yep.
Then Cash Patel says there was a note
but the note was destroyed but we have
evidence of the note but we got evidence
of the note like through aggressive
interview techniques which by the way
again a lawyer what are they going to
say? Well you got this information under
duress. like what are we talking about
here? You know, did you like basically
torture this person into giving some
sort of a false confession? All of these
things are going to breed a lot of
speculation and that is exactly what we
see unfolding. If I had to guess as to
what the hell they're talking about here
and how all these wires got crossed, my
guess, which is just a guess because you
cannot tell from their statements what
the hell they're talking about, is that
there was apparently allegedly some sort
of a note, that there was discussion
about that note, not from Tyler, but
from some of the people that he was, you
know, maybe the roommates or whoever,
some associates with him. There was some
discussion of that note on Discord.
Somebody got rid of the note and the,
you know, the the revelations about
these messages on Discord were um
something that the FBI was able to get
through their aggressive interview.
Posh, if I had to try to square this
mess, that would be my guess as to
what's going on. And that could account
for like the confusion of what the
governor originally said about there
being discord messages about what he was
going to do and why he was going to do
it. Maybe those didn't come from him.
They came from other people in the
circle who had seen this note, who were
talking about the note. That's the best
that I can figure out of what's going on
here. But incredibly unclear.
Absolutely. You know, incredibly
unclear. And it's entirely possible that
that's what I just said is not remotely
even what they're talking about.
Exactly right. We need to see the
charging documents. People need to stop
going on on uh Twitter and Fox News
trying to I mean, Cash, let's be honest,
what's he trying to do? He's trying to
reclaim his reputation because everybody
knows he's a clown in the way that he's
acting.
He's going on Fox News because of Trump.
He wants Trump to see him on there and
Trump to feel like he's doing a good
job. I mean, the problem is he can't
deliver on that ability of like seeming
like he's competent and in command here.
And Steve Bannon reacted exactly to
this. Uh a huge portion of the right
going after Cash Patel. Now, I think
very justifiably, let's take a listen.
I'm told that
the reason that the video and what
Michael uh Savage says and others about
jumping off the roof is that he's got a
gun in his hand and he drops the gun to
the ground, the rifle.
That's that's what when you when you
confront him on that video, it said,
"Oh, you guys are missing it." He
actually has the rifle. He hasn't taken
it apart. He drops the rifle down and
then goes hides it. Maybe it is. It's
just too fuzzy. I don't know. But the
timeline makes no sense. Now they're
putting out video that they got the guy
walking around in shorts in the um you
know cuz he had two costumes walking
around two two sets of clothes walking
around in the neighborhoods yet CNN
played today again CNN played the
doorbell video we saw the other day
where he's walking stifflegged like he's
got a rifle or a part of a barrel or
something in his pants. He's very
stifflegged. They played it again. So
clearly that has not been refuted by the
authorities. This is why
this morning, first off, over the
weekend, shifting this now not to a
single murder, but actually to an
investigation of a conspiracy. And as
President Trump says, many
investigations. He talked the other day
about Soros in a um in an investigation,
the source involvement, all of it. I
think you're going to see a much more
sophisticated, much broader
investigation into this. 2,000 times I
watched that video, I missed it cuz I'm
still missing it. And maybe it's
accurate, but I don't understand the
doorbell. I got to The car wasn't
impounded. You haven't uh rolled up any
of the Discord chat. It seems like we're
being spoonfed a narrative. There you
go. I think uh you know, lazing raising
some legitimate questions here. Let's
put this up here. Uh this is uh
something that was posted by Steve
Bannon. Uh just recapping some of the
questions. Brief recap. Again, you know,
this is not all 100% correct. I'm just
showing it to you because this is what
was posted by Steve Bannon as to the
level of questions and other things that
are now being raised about the FBI and
the director's leadership. So, the main
takeaway for all of this is really in my
opinion rank incompetence. And you know,
yes, Crystal, as you said, that's
potentially explainable many of the
things that they have said, but that's
not how things need to work uh at the
highest level of American law
enforcement in a court of law.
Just don't say anything.
Bingo. Exactly. I mean, if you you know,
if you watch the governor, um, who has
been much more like, even he has said
some things that aren't true, but he's
getting his information from law
enforcement at the end of the day, he'll
get asked questions where I said, I I
can't say anything.
I can't get into that for the integrity
of the investment. Okay, great.
Okay. You know, I mean, listen, as a
journalist, I would like as much
disclosure as possible, but what Cash
Mattel is doing is not disclosure. It's
it's actually muddling and confusing um
the picture of of what we know here. But
yeah, I mean Steve Bannon reposted, we
can put that back up on the screen.
Steve Bannon reposted this and said, and
this is the short list um of questions
that we have. They haven't recovered the
bullet. We're talking about specifically
uh the the bullet, the single shot that
murdered Charlie Kirk. They haven't
presented any video photographic
evidence of the alleged shooter with the
gun. The closest we get is actually that
TMZ released doorbell camera where you
see him walking stiff leg like he's got
a gun down his pants, but you don't
actually see the weapon. Alleged shooter
did not confess to law enforcement,
which was something we were that was
very fuzzy at the beginning. It seemed
like he was cooperating. We're all
surprised to learn that he was not
actually cooperating with law
enforcement. They haven't presented any
pictures or videos of the alle shooter
changing his clothes on the roof, which
is contradicted by the photos that have
been released. They don't have any
physical evidence of quote unquote the
note where the alleged shooter allegedly
claimed he would have a chance to take
out Charlie Kirk. TPUSA staff
contaminated the crime scene, removed
the camera sitting be directly behind
Charlie immediately after the shooting.
Where is that footage? I don't know if
you guys have seen this, but this is
this appears to be true. Pretty shortly
after the shooting, you see images of
them breaking down the the tent and
reclaiming the merch and all of that.
Well, that's an active crime scene. like
it's, you know, seems like you would
have that cordoned off and you would
want to preserve every aspect of that
crime scene, but pretty quickly you see
um staff able to come in and take down
the tent. Discord disputes the FBI's
claim the alleged shooter discussed any
plans to assassinate Charlie Kirk. If
true, they'd have data to back this up.
We might end up seeing all of this
eventually. I hope we do. So far, the
evidence that's actually been presented
is hardly convincing. This I think was
put out before Discord did confirm that
there were these messages not planning
the shooting but apparently confessing
to the shooting. So um in any case
that's that's the picture as best as we
have it right now.
That's that's all we can really present
to you. And uh the reason why again that
we've said that why the questions and
all the for example if we think back to
the 1960s if you think about uh Oliver
Stone and actually a really emergence of
the anti-war left in the 1960s it was
always underrated how much the Kennedy
assassination I'm not comparing the two
what I'm saying is that it was a clear
throughine that Stone has always drawn
from that assassination and kind of the
age of innocence ending to the eventual
military adventurism of what ended end
up happening in Vietnam. 9/11 remains
the same. Look, I mean, it took years
years into the war in Iraq and
Afghanistan for the secret pages about
Saudi Arabia to be released from the
9/11 Commission. Uh the 9/11 Commission
report itself. This is a joke. I mean,
everybody knows that. And then no, no
one's saying Israel did it. Okay? What
we're saying is there's a lot of sketchy
that remains completely unanswered
around that entire thing. I mean, I
remember last year new video from 1998
of an a Saudi embassy worker casing out
the US capital that gets released. It
takes 23 years for that to get released.
But that's well after the consequences.
So the point is that if it's going to
lead to extraordinary action, I would
hope that one of the things that
actually happens is that all information
gets released. So at the very least then
all Americans can judge these things for
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Tucker Carlson LIVE: America After Charlie Kirk
Tucker Carlson
Streamed live on Sep 16, 2025 The Tucker Carlson Show

Megyn Kelly, Scott Adams, Cenk Uygur, and Fr. Josiah Trenham join us for a live broadcast on America in the wake of Charlie Kirk’s assassination—examining his influence on politics and what comes next for our nation.



Transcript

Introduction

Hey, I'm Tucker Carlson. Last week, within... just really minutes after Charlie Kirk was shot at that event in Utah,
a kind of proxy war broke out over his memory. Who gets to own it, who gets to use it?
While the rest of us were still reeling in shock, trying to figure out what happened, a ton of people appeared online, not just in this country, to take
tell you exactly what happened, exactly what it meant, and exactly what we should do next.
And you can see why with this level of emotion, rage and grief in the air, it's pretty wise to leverage that much energy.
It's almost like nuclear power. It can be used for... good or bad, and a lot of people wanted to use it,
there's no question about that. So they begin telling you, Charlie died for this. He lived for this and he died for that. So...
the crazier reaches of the left, it was, Charlie was a Nazi. And the lesson is Nazis get killed.
It makes sense. He was a bad guy who got what he deserved. And a lot of them said that out loud. Certain parts of the right immediately told you that.
Actually this was about something completely different. You know, Charlie died for Israel. Many began to say the Prime Minister of Israel...
said that and so did a lot of other people. Charlie was a defender of Israel, which he was, by the way,
and therefore he died for that cause. But none of these explanations, all self serving, are really satisfactory.
They don't capture who Charlie Kirk was, and on some basic level, they're dishonest... Charlie was not a Nazi.
He was not killed because he was a Nazi. Yes, he was a defender of Israel. He didn't die for Israel However,
why did he die? What was his life about? What was the... sin, the core sin that Charlie Kirk committed against somebody,
power that got him killed in the end? And the answer is right in front of us, certainly those of us who knew him...
Charlie's life was defined by his Christian faith, not his spirituality, but his belief in Jesus,
his life as a Christian. Everything in his life flowed from those beliefs. Everything, everything he did, said and believed...
came from the fact that he was above all a Christian. And that is
and was and in fact has always been deeply provocative and offensive to the rest of the world.
And why is that? It's worth thinking about it for just a second. Christianity doesn't seem like the kind of religion that provoke
people to anger and violence. In fact, it seems just the opposite. It's the world's most profoundly nonviolent religion,
maybe the world's only truly nonviolent religion... A religion based on a Man who Christians believe was also God,
who, as he was being led away to be tortured to death... on made up charges,
scolded one of his disciples for fighting back. This is a religion committed to love
above all and to living in peace and harmony. Truly, it's a universalist religion that believes that every person...
has a shot at heaven. It's not exclusionary at all. And so you would think it would make sense that if you're a government
or if you're in power, that you'd want a lot of Christians living in your country because
they're not going to cause massive problems. Not a lot of... sincere Christians are fomenting insurrection at any given moment.
Pretty much none. Most of the time they're tidy. They get married, they love their children.
They pay their taxes. They're commanded to pay their taxes... So why wouldn't you want a nation full of Christians?
Why wouldn't you encourage... this religious belief, even if it wasn't yours? Why would you hate it?
Well, there are a couple of reasons. There are a couple of things about Christianity, and these were evident throughout
Charlie's public life, that are... deeply provocative to the people in power. And the first is the insistence that Christianity
comes with inherently... that you are not God, you are not God, and neither are your leaders. God is God,
and all of us stand before him in the end to be judged, and all of us will be found lacking. Christians believe the only way to heaven is through Jesus.
That's the only way. But all of us, whether we believe in Jesus or not,
are fallen. We are sinners, we are less than we ought to be. We are not gods, and neither are the people who lead us.
And this has a lot of implications, the first being if you're not God, you don't get to do whatever you want... There are limits.
There are rules that you didn't write that you have to abide by. That's not a judgment, that's a statement of fact...
Some call it natural law. It's been the basis of every functioning society since the beginning of time.
But the basis of our society is the Christian understanding of justice,
which flows... from that belief. You are not God. God is. He writes the most basic rules, you abide by them, period.
That's the basis of our law. That's the basis of Western law. That is a threat,
a challenge... to people who would ignore the limits on their behavior, very much including our leaders and very much including the most powerful people...
in our society, whether they're elected or not... Nobody wants to be told you're not allowed to do something.
And Christianity inherently... tells people that, doesn't judge them, it just states it clearly.
No, you do not have the power to kill, except possibly in self defense. But you can't just go killing people.
And you can't go killing people because. And this is the second thing about Christianity that tends to set
the teeth of the powerful on edge. Christianity insists... that every human being
is created by God. Every single one. And that means that every human being has a soul,
a distinct, unique soul created by God. It is once again the only true
universalist faith... there is. And the New Testament is the story of this, an under read collection of books
that is not the story of the Old Testament. It is very much the story of the New Testament.
In the New Testament, all people are God's chosen. Every single one. And the story itself
makes that point. The founder of most Christian churches in the early near east was a former...
Pharisee, a Jew who was in charge of killing Christians... until he famously met Jesus on the road to Damascus.
His name was Saul, it became Paul... And he is the most prolific author in the New Testament and the basis
of a lot of Christian theology. And his life tells the story. People...
can change no matter what they look like, no matter what they previously believed, no matter where they're from, no matter what language they speak,
because they are created by God. And every person, every single person, whether you like them or their relatives or the way they look or not,
has that chance because all were created by God and all were loved by God. That is the basis of Christianity.
That's the Christian story. And so a sincere Christian proceeds with that belief.
There is no tribalism in Christianity. There is no identity politics. It's the opposite.
You may prefer to be with people who look like you, that's fine. But God doesn't prefer to be with people who look like you.
God prefers to be with all people because he created all people... He's the God of the universe, not just...
of the people you like. And that again... has massive implications for the way that sincere Christians live and for the
way that Charlie Kirk lived his life. And the first is if...
other people have souls, if they, like you, were created by God, then they have freedom of conscience.
You can tell them what they ought to think, but you can't make them. You can tell them what they ought to say, but you can't force them.
Christianity does not convert by the sword. It can't. It requires... free will. And it requires free will
because it respects... the individual conscience emanating from the distinct soul of every human
being. And that is why in the west, which is based on Christianity, our civilization is a Christian civilization,
tattered though it currently is. collective punishment. Hurting people for the sins of
their relatives is unthinkable. It's a crime because each person... will stand
alone as he was made before God. And every person is equal
before God... fundamentally doesn't mean each person is equal in his ability.
It doesn't mean each person is equal in the choices he makes. Of course not. But it means that every person is a human being with a divine spark inside.
That is the core assumption of Christianity. And it was obvious when you watch Charlie Kirk, that he believed that.
Charlie's been famously quoted for the last couple of days saying he abhors anti Semitism. That is absolutely right. And he did.
He said that in public, and he said it very often in private. He meant it, too.
But he abhorred... racism and bigotry on the basis of genetics... of all kinds, because he was a Christian
and he believed that God created each person. Now, why is this a problem
for temporal authorities? Why is it a problem for the people in power?.. Because once again, it circumscribes
what they can do. It sets a limit on their powers... If God created each person, including the infuriating, annoying,
disastrously wrong person I'm talking to, then I can't force him... to repeat my creed.
I'm not in charge of his conscience. Only he is. And that is a...
limit... So when Charlie Kirk said, I believe in free speech, he didn't simply... believe in free speech because it was in the Bill of Rights.
He understood that it was in the Bill of Rights because it's in the New Testament. He understood that's a right that comes from God bestowed on all of us at birth...
And he felt his job, his duty, was not simply to protect it, but to live it,
to show people what that looks like. I just want to play. Of the many clips we could play of Charlie Kirk on college campus,
he spent his whole life worn out most of the time... as an older man. I often said to him,
how the hell do you get on plane after plane after plane? But he felt an evangelical duty, small evangelical duty to do it, to get out there and talk to people.
Why?.. Not simply to build a coalition or get this or that person elected, but because... he believed, as a Christian.
that... convincing people voluntarily with words in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God. So the Gospel of John begins, words
are the key... to Winning people's minds and their souls. And he really meant this. He wasn't just
repeating the words, he meant it. And it was obvious in the way that he interacted with people
who disagree with him and... people who hated him. Here's one clip that tells part of the story.
Would you want someone who is not necessarily stable or ready to bring a child into this world
and provide that child the life it deserves? Would you want them to still bring that child into this world?
Without a doubt. Every life has a moral obligation to be able to live. If I can't give...
that child... the life it deserves, why? Why am I bringing it to? Got it. This will be my last question...
I want you to think about it... If a Single mom has two 2 year olds, twins, and she wakes up one day and says,
I can't do it anymore. I can't give them the life they deserve. But that's just not the circumstance. Hold on. Should she be able to take out a shotgun and kill both those kids?
No, of course not. Because you think that would be objectionable. That's why I think it's objectionable to eliminate two
babies that are six weeks old because they're morally the same thing. One just happens to be bigger, one just happens to be older,
one just happens to be outside of the womb. They're both human beings. And you have something in you that says, no way is it okay to kill a two year old.
That's called your soul talking. You have something in you that tells you the truth.
You can call it instinct if you like. Charlie Kirk referred to it as the soul. But
both mean the same thing. You have the spark of the divine God spark inside you and it reacts, it hums, it vibrates like a tuning fork...
And you know, on a basic animal level, like your dog knows when something is wrong. You can feel it.
And the whole purpose of modern society, it seems sometime is to get... the rest of us to ignore what we know.
That vibration inside us that tells us the truth always. It never lies to us. Charlie did not ignore that.
And you'll notice that in the end he appealed to it with... that young woman. He didn't scream, you were a murderer in his face,
though He considered abortion murder, which it is. He felt that deeply. This wasn't a performance. He wasn't
another nonprofit phony in D.C... feigning outrage about something. He really believed...
that taking innocent life was wrong in the womb... or in crowded cities, anywhere.
He thought it was wrong because his faith tells him it's wrong... And because his Conscience confirms that belief,
and so does yours. And so did hers. So did all of ours. We know... when something is wrong,
and the people above us shouted us. No, really, there's an explanation for it.
That's just your super ego barking at you. no You know in your heart,
deep inside, what every person has known, and that is the murder of innocence
is a crime. It's a moral crime, and that girl knew it. And in the end, That was Charlie's appeal...
Listen to that divine spark inside you. Listen to your soul speak to you.
Turn off the music, get off the drugs, push the distractions, which it's hard to believe,
aren't actually designed to crowd out that humming inside us. And be still for a moment
and accept what you already know, what you were born knowing. Listen to that. Or
only someone... who appreciates the person he's speaking to as an actual human being could speak that way.
Notice how rare that is. It's been noted in the past couple of days, Charlie was a free speech champion. Absolutely, he was.
And I pray that that's his legacy. But I also think it's important to explain why that mattered to him...
It was not abstract in any sense. It was central. It was the core... Because consider... what it means if you don't
respect... free speech, which is another way of saying free conscience. The right of other people to make up their own minds about the basic questions
of what is right or wrong and to express their views on those issues. If you don't acknowledge the right of other people to do that,
and if you take steps to prevent them from doing that, what are you really saying? You're really saying, I don't think you have a soul.
I think you're a meat puppet I can control. I think you're an animal, maybe sub animal. You're a slave. You're a person to whom I can dictate...
belief. I don't acknowledge that you have the right to come to your own conclusion is another way of saying,
I don't acknowledge that you're a human being. It's dark. There's nothing darker than that... And trust me, they believe it.
The ones who've thought about it, and there are a lot of those. But for a lot of people, particularly those who are just
repeating what they think they should say or responding to the momentary rage of the moment.
they just throw stuff out. And we've got to hope that the Attorney General of the United States,
Pam Bondi, is in that category... She said this just yesterday. Watch. There's free speech and then there's hate speech.
And there is... no place, especially... now, especially after what happened to Charlie. In our society.
there's free speech... and then there's hate speech. This is the Attorney General of the United States, the chief law enforcement officer of the United States,
telling you that there is this other category... called hate speech. And of course, the implication is that's a crime.
There's almost... no sentence that Charlie Kirk... and... I'm not running the risk...
of appropriating his memory for my own ends by saying this... It's provable.
There's no sentence that Charlie Kirk would have objected to more than that. And you've got to think the Attorney General didn't think it through and
was not attempting to desecrate the memory of the person she was purporting to celebrate that.
She just threw that out there that she hadn't thought about it. You hope that... You hope that Charlie Kirk's death... won't be used
by a group we now call bad actors to create a society that was the opposite of the one he worked to build.
You hope that... You hope that a year from now, the turmoil we're seeing in the aftermath of his murder won't be leveraged to
bring hate speech laws to this country. And trust me, if it is, if that does happen,
there is never a more justified moment for civil disobedience than that, ever. And there never will be...
Because if they can tell you what to say. they're telling you what to think... There is nothing
they can't do to you because they don't consider you human... They don't believe you have a soul.
A human being with a soul, a free man has a right to say what he believes... Not to hurt other people,
but to express... his views. And by the way, that thinking. And not to pile on the Attorney General, who's a very nice person.
but that thinking that she just articulated on camera there... is exactly what got us to a place where some huge and horrifying percentage of young people
think it's okay to shoot people you disagree with to kill Nazis for saying things they don't like.
Why do they believe that? How did we get here? Is it the video games? Is it the SSRIs? Yeah, probably.
But what it really is is 12 and then 16 years of indoctrination in our schools at the hands
of people who tell them that, who say exactly what the Attorney General just said. Well, there's free speech, which of course,
we all acknowledge is important. So, so important. But then there's this Thing called hate speech.
Hate speech, of course, is any speech that the people in power hate. But they don't define it that way... They define it as speech that hurts people,
speech that is tantamount to violence. And we punish violence, don't we? Of course we do. They've been taught that
every year of their lives. And so naturally, most of them believe it. When Charlie Kirk is shot in the throat with a 30 out six on camera,
I doubt very many young Americans want to see something like that or actually applaud the death of a man,
a father, a husband. But they've been told for their entire lives in schools
exactly what Pam Bondi just told them. Well, there's free speech, but then there's also hate speech. And woe to those who engage in it because it's a crime.
That's a lie. And it's a lie that denies the humanity of the people you're telling it about.
And so any attempt to impose hate speech laws in this country, and trust me, there are a lot of people who would like them,
there are a lot of people who'd like to codify their own beliefs by punishing Those under the U.S.
code who disagree with their beliefs. Any attempt to do that... is a denial of the humanity...
of American citizens and cannot be allowed under any circumstances. That's got to be the red line, because again, when they can do that,
what can't they do? And this is something, by the way, that Charlie thought about a lot and that I had
occasion to talk to him about a lot. And I really don't want to make any of this about me because it
has nothing to do with me... But I did have reason to have these conversations with Charlie
a lot, many, many times over the past three or four months. And... this began at an event that he held in Florida in July,
the TPUSA M Fest event, Turning Point event. I often go, I always have the best time.
I always see Charlie ahead of time. We have a cup of coffee in a hotel room, talk about what's going on. In addition to being, of course, a conservative advocate,
he was also a conservative organizer and a coalition builder. And he was very involved in politics in a way that I'm not.
So it was interesting as hell, but it was also a way to learn what young people are thinking about, talking about,
because he was on college campuses all the time. And what is the state of a couple of big debates that are happening
within the Republican coalition, particularly around foreign policy. And Charlie's views on foreign policy, which I think are fairly well known now.
A lot of people lying about them were evolving, but had... really evolved.
And who knows why he reached the conclusions he did. I think his Christian faith informed... them mostly...
was also the experience of talking to young people... And his views were very much like theirs. He believed that the war on terror had been a net loss for the United States,
and it caused incalculable damage, not just economic and physical damage, but spiritual damage to the United States.
It was. It was bad. We got nothing out of it. We were only hurt. And he didn't want to see that again. And he felt very strongly about that.
And of course, I agreed. And so before that speech that I gave in July, we had a conversation about this
backstage... right before I went on. And I was fulminating and getting all red in the face like I often do,
to my shame. And I was mad thinking about this and thinking about the effort by the neocons in the United States to draw us in
to another... forever war... with Iran. Not a defense of Iran, of course. It's merely an acknowledgment that we've done this before.
This happened in Iraq, which, you know, we entered into at the behest of those same foreign policy strategists.
And... And it didn't work. And so I was going on at some length backstage with Charlie,
and I said. you know, probably not going to talk about that. I'm not going to torture you.
I know your donors hate this when I say that. And also, Epstein was in the news, and it was
clear to me that, you know, Epstein's probably not like a Mossad agent or something, but
Epstein clearly had contact with Israeli intelligence and American intelligence and French intelligence, But the only one you're not allowed to talk about is Israeli intelligence.
But it's. It seemed true to me, and I had done... some work on that, and I knew a bunch of people pretty close to that story, so. So I thought that.
And I said that to Charlie, and I said, but I'm not going to say that because I don't want to make your donors mad. I know it's just going to be like an endless
flurry of texts telling you to stop or you're gonna lose a bunch of funding. And he looked at me, I'll never forget it,
and said, go all the way... Do it. Go all the way. I said, man, I. You know, a lot of things I can talk about. I don't need to talk about that. And he said, do it.
So I did it... By the way, I think that that conversation hit a Mic on. And so did I. Probably exists somewhere on somebody's server,
but that's, I think, a faithful rendition of what he said. And by the way, I'm not trying to blame him for my remarks.
You can agree or disagree with those remarks. But I'm saying this only because I was
shocked and sickened by the reaction of the ghoulish and really repulsive reaction of the Prime Minister of Israel,
Benjamin Netanyahu, to Charlie's death. Basically made it all about him and all about his country,
immediately... trying to take the energy, the sadness, the grief that people felt over Charlie's murder and redirect it towards support
for whatever project he's involved in. And by the way, Benjamin Netanyahu is not the same as the nation of Israel at all.
Bibi is despised by many people in Israel, and if you know people who live there, you know that that's true.
There are huge divisions within the Israeli government. I mean, there are certain parts of the. The intel world... in Israel that do not support some things
that Benjamin Netanyahu has done recently. So it's not the same as attacking Israel, attacking Bibi. But I.
I don't think I've ever seen anything lower than his attempt to hijack Charlie's memory and use it for his own political ends,
particularly because what he said was completely untrue. Charlie didn't hate Jews. He loved Jews.
He had tons of friends who were Jews. He loved the state of Israel, love going there. He did not like Bibi Netanyahu. And he said that to me many times, and he said to people around him
many times... he felt that Bibi Netanyahu was a very destructive force. He was appalled by what was happening... in Gaza.
He was, above all, resentful... that he believed Netanyahu was using the United States to prosecute
his wars for the benefit of his country, and that it was shameful and embarrassing and bad for the United States,
and he resented it. Didn't hate Netanyahu. He wasn't out there with a placard saying that.
But he certainly expressed that to me and a lot of other people. And there's no question
that Bibi's defenders... on the Internet will call me a liar or a kook, but that's a fact. And enough text messages exist that I think
it can probably be verified in pretty short order. Not that it needs to be, because that is true.
Shortly after that speech, there was a very intense attack on Charlie and to some extent on me. Not that I really...
noticed, but on him, I have no donors. He had $100 million... worth of donors. And so, because he was involved in a different project from just yapping on the Internet,
which is what I do for a living, he was dependent to a great extent on his donors. Of course,
it's a nonprofit, and they went after him and tormented him. Not all, of course. Many were supportive, but
the ones who were offended by my speech, and there was a small, very intense group who were tormenting Charlie Kirk,
until the day he died. Two days before he died, he lost a $2 million donation... because
he had publicly pledged to bring me to the next Turning Point conference in December. And he told me over the past couple of months he was losing a lot
of donations over that pledge. They put out... a flyer basically saying that I was going to be at this event giving a speech...
And so he would text me and say, man, I'm really taking a lot of heat for this, and people are really mad.
The American... Jewish Committee called in a statement, Charlie Kirk, an anti Semite and quote, dangerous.
Charlie Kirk, an anti Semite. He was not an anti Semite.
He was the opposite, and he was not dangerous... He was a great lover of people and a purveyor of peace.
He was the opposite, and he was very stung by that. Those of us who've been called names for a long time are a
little bit harder to offend. Charlie was deeply offended by that and expressed some of those feelings on
Megyn Kelly show and in other places, but that did not let up. The reason I'm telling this story
is because he called me and then came to see me at my house about this topic. And
I said to him every single time, look, it's. You know, I've got my own way to communicate my views...
This is actually not the most important issue to me. There are lots of things I can talk about. I don't need to come to Turning Point.
I can take a year off, no problem. I hated... seeing how much he was suffering.
The hassle he was getting... from people... And I was being attacked, too, by the way, was a huge effort.
I wasn't fully aware of it, actually, because I don't go online that much, but there was a huge effort by people, some of whom I know and have helped.
And like Seth Dillon, the Babylon Bee, for example, someone who had his own problems with free speech,
who was famously canceled. I like Seth Dylan. I had him on a couple of times. I had dinner with him to show support.
Seth Dillon was out there demanding that Charlie Kirk take me off the roster, pull me off stage... Because I had said things that Bibi didn't like or that he
didn't like or whatever. Shocking that someone whose whole Persona is wrapped up in the idea
that we all get to speak. And if you don't like it, make a more compelling case
that that person... and many others like him were advocating For me getting pulled off the stage...
because they don't like what I'm saying. This is a trend and one that we should be really concerned about.
It's not just about Israel, by the way, at all. The trend is really simple. People with power don't want to hear disagreement.
They don't want to be challenged, ever. That's why we have free speech. To acknowledge that even
those of us... or people with less power still have a right to talk because they're human beings.
You don't own them. So time after time, Charlie would call me or come to see me and let me know,
wow. Or show me text messages. These people are really mad that you're speaking. And I always have the same thought, like, I feel pretty moderate, actually.
I've never been an Israel hater, obviously, I'm not an anti Semite... I just don't want more wars and I don't want a foreign country
humiliating my country and telling us what our laws have to be. I mean, this seems like pretty basic America first stuff.
And he would say, I totally agree with you, you, but they want you off the stage. And I would always say, no problem.
And he would say, no, it's important. It's a matter of principle.
I want you to be there... Great. By the way, I'm not
accusing anyone of being involved in that murder. I'm not trying to... mutter darkly or imply... anything.
We don't. There's a lot we don't know about who murdered Charlie and why. But I. I don't know. And I'm not gonna pretend that I do.
But I think it's important to say that out loud because it's a fact. And there are many liars out there trying.
Bibi Netanyahu, number one among them, shamefully, who are trying to distort the truth,
a truth that I know and can prove. And the last thing I'll say about Charlie is that his views were changing...
on topics that had nothing to do with foreign policy. You know, the famous kind of red line third rail.
Can't talk about it. but it's possible that the subject that makes people even matter...
in Washington, New York and LA than... having... non conventional foreign policy views is having non conventional economic views.
Man they really don't like that at all. And Charlie's views on economics. And on the way that wealth is distributed in the United States
Were changing fast. Really changing fast and hardening. Not because he was a socialist. Hardly.
He was about as much of a socialist as I am. Not at all. But because he lived here and he spent a lot of time with young people.
And he couldn't help but notice because he was an observant and honest person. That they're not thriving at all.
And that the chances they'll have lives comparable to the ones they had growing up are very small.
Most of them won't have houses. They won't own anything. They'll be in debt. And for that reason, they won't get married or have children.
And so the people who are born here Won't continue their legacy in the United States.
It's the end of our civilization. And the root of a lot of this is spiritual, but the root is also economic.
And it raises a question, a basic question of fairness. And I tried to address this in the speech that I gave for Charlie in July.
I don't think I did a very good job, and it was misinterpreted. But I invoked Bill Ackman.
And the point I was making had nothing to do with Bill Ackman being a criminal or even being an Epstein friend.
I mean, I don't really know anything about that. I don't know much about. I'm not accusing Bill Ackman of a crime.
And I'm not accusing him of, you know, being a sex creep or Mossad agent or anything like that.
I don't think that. I don't know that for sure. And I wasn't trying to say it. What I was trying to say is
that Bill Ackman is not creative, not particularly intelligent. Bill ackman is worth $7 billion.
So you have to ask, like, how. and it seems to me...
that Bill Ackman is rich for the same reasons that a lot of other people I know are rich... Because he's hyper aggressive...
and he's well connected. And my only point was. If you live in a society that awards the spoils to people on the
basis of those two qualities... Like the most aggressive. The best connected people get the richest.
That's a dysfunctional society. There should be a reward for creativity and.
And decency and hard work, steadfastness, following the rules. Like you should have to add to the sum total of your society,
you'd think. It's not an argument against the free market. It's the argument against Whatever we're living through right now,
this is really dark and ugly. And if people like bill ackman are getting the richest, what has bill ackman done?
Shorted the market or something? Talk down herbalife. I mean, I'm not even saying that should be illegal. All I'm saying is,
if that's one of the richest guys in your society, you've got a very sick society.
I don't think bill ackman's like a drooling idiot or anything. But, like, when was the last time. You heard bill ackman say something constructive or creative?
Like, never. So it's just bad. And it's not just about bill ackman, of course. I mean,
he's just a minor player in the life of the world. But he's a kind of metaphor for how off track we've gone.
And that doesn't seem like a socialist point. Once again, I'm hardly a socialist, and neither was charlie kirk.
That seems like a christian point... Fairness is at the root of. Of the christian story.
People will be judged not by who their parents were or by how they look, but on their hearts, on themselves, on choices that they made.
That's fair. So again, fairness is essential to the gospel. And it's essential to any working
society. In a fair society, or a society that... its citizens believe is fair,
People will comply voluntarily with the rules. Because they don't think the game is rigged...
But in a society in which bill ackman. Bill Ackman makes $7 billion. And like, the smartest, hardest working, most interesting,
creative young people, you know, can never own a home in a society like that.
You're going to get mamdani as mayor. You're going to get a lot of bad things. Because people will opt out of the society.
Because they know it's not fair, it's rigged. That's the only point I was trying to make.
And charlie, not surprisingly, made it much more eloquently. I thought... in an amazing interview. The last interview I did with him
late July of this year. Here's part of it. We know how to create wealth, but we don't know how to create it for
the generation that needs it most. If you look at the economic conditions, you would think the other conditions surrounding it Are like abject poverty.
These are the problems that, like, third world nations have. I know our young people can't afford stuff. And they have to finance their basic necessities.
And yet we're the wealthiest nation in the history of the world. On the planet. We have a $37 trillion... GDP.
We have the greatest companies and we have all this stuff to brag about. And yet all of our problems would beg the question...
And it's like this inherent contradiction. We're super wealthy on one side, like a powerhouse juggernaut, and we are
like an economic nightmare on the other side. How did that happen?
So if there is such a thing as the left in the United States, if it still exists, you would think a message like that
would at least get a hearing, a respectful hearing. like, hey, what about wages?..
What about the ability of young people to just buy a little house with some lawn in some subdivision? Like what?
Isn't that kind of what they say they want? Empower, you know, the most vulnerable, the people who try hard and play by the rules.
They called him a Nazi. They didn't care that Charlie Kirk in real life spent his...
time trying to stop... war. trying to, you know, figure out how young people could buy a little house somewhere.
Aren't those like left wing goals? they didn't care at all.
In fact, they hated that because they're for war, because they're for death, because they're for the inequality he described
because it leads to a volatile society that empowers them. Of course. they're not
a check on power. The professional left, the trans community. they're the shock troops of power.
Charlie Kirk was a check on power. Charlie Kirk, inspired by his Christian faith,
stood up to people fearlessly to say what he thought was true.
And for that, I will always love and admire him. I want to go down to someone else who loved and admired him and knew
Megyn Kelly
him well and played a pretty, I think, important role in the final months of his life. And that is my old friend... Megan Kelly.
Megan, thanks so much for coming on. Oh, Tucker, thanks for having me.
That was a barn burner, man. You hit on some really important big points. I don't even remember what I said, but I meant it.
So I just want to start. So you had this experience... last week that I, you know, I've always prayed. I never have... You were...
on live... You were live when... the news came in that our friend had been shot in the throat and your reaction...
was captured for all time on camera. And I just want to start by... playing it. I thought it was just an incredible moment that said so
much about you and about him. So here it is.
Oh, well, looks like we don't have the Well in it. You said the line that stuck out to me. Your first reaction was
he was Sent by God... That's the first thing you said you'd not heard this news before.
Why was that your gut reaction to his shooting?
Because I had spent so much time with him over the past few years, just on the air. Tucker. I never went out to dinner with Charlie.
I didn't know him quite like that, like a. Like a personal friend. But I'd had him on the show...
more than 15 times. I'd been on his show repeatedly. I'd been to multiple Turning Point events and,
you know, talked with him backstage quite a bit. Just done a lot with him professionally, a lot...
And, I mean, I wonder if he's been on anybody's show as much as he was on mine over the past couple of years.
And I got to know his thoughts on virtually everything. And I saw what people are seeing now,
how they were all... infused with his Christian faith, that he was a truly happy warrior,
that he gave almost everyone the benefit of the doubt, that he had a much more
positive and optimistic outlook on humanity than I do, and I think. Than you do. I mean, I think we're a couple of cynical mofos.
yes yes And... Charlie...
wasn't. Charlie was. He was like an angel. This picture that the left is
his painting of him in the news is totally foreign to my understanding of Charlie or to anything I've known.
And I watched Charlie on his show, too... I know, I know. The things they say he said that were controversial,
they just fundamentally choose to misunderstand and misinterpret him. I mean, he was.
You need look no further than Erika... in order to see... that he was real. Like her goodness, her love, their love story,
her... strength in the wake of his death... That's the woman he loved, and that's a woman who loved him.
Why? Because he was some devil figure?.. The opposite. These two
were as wholesome... as you could find. And everything he said was from his love of humanity and his belief
that they could do better... I mean, I. Much more like, no, they can't. Let's move on without them.
Like, we've gotta, you know. And Charlie, I mean, in all of these college campus exchanges,
whenever. Talking about most people, he would feel... like everyone... was... Could be redeemed.
And if he could just get to them, if he could just talk to them, if he could just buoy them up with hope,
they would. They would do better. They could see themselves as Charlie saw them, as God sees them. And I just ran into that optimism and that positivity from Charlie so often
that I really did see him as God's Messenger Tucker as an angel sent to us.
And it's like, we didn't deserve him. I feel like he's gone now because we.
We didn't deserve him. Man, you are too deep for cable news...
No wonder you left. That's just such a beautiful summation and so insightful. I'm not sucking up.
I mean it. That's. I wish I had said half of that in my open. So. But why is that so provocative?
I've been thinking about this since he was murdered. Like, what? Of all the people that we know in our business,
you know, the kind of. Let me give you my opinion. Business. I think it's fair to say he was the kindest. I mean,
for real. And in private, too. He. Even people he was really mad at, he would always say, well, I try, you know,
I understand where that person's coming from. It's like, wow, He. His decency was a challenge to me, who struggles to be...
that. Why?.. Why. Why was that so offensive to people?
Because it was power. It's. It's so much more powerful, frankly, than
negativity. Negativity and anger. it's infectious. You know, it's a contagion. It.
yeah It's like a magnet for people. Whether they like him or not,
they're drawn to him. And he was converting people, so he was a huge threat.
That's really, like. I've been asking myself this question a lot over the past week. You know,
let's take the accused shooter in this case. And let's say, okay, this. This was. yes
It was motivated... exactly as the authorities say. And he was. He thought Charlie is, quote, too hateful.
And this is a guy who's into furries and he's into trannies, and he's living with one. And, you know, all the things.
Why would Charlie have been targeted by this guy for that? Why would it be Charlie? You say all the same things.
I say all the same things. Most of the people in our space and in conservative or independent media say those things... Why?
Why Charlie? And... sadly, I think it's this factor. It's this
magnetism from him, this positivity, this aura, like that. This angel like, aura around him
that was so incredibly threatening, way more threatening... than the rest of us because
it was powerful... and it was winning people over. It was converting people at a rapid... rate.
And not just any people, but young people, you know, the people who had never been converted before. The people for whom
people who talk like you and talk like me had never even tried. They weren't Even players on the field, it was.
They were seeded in the whole battle... And he said, no, no, no, no, no, we're not seeding them. I'm going to start at 18
to speaking to them in a way that they can hear and understand me. And I'm going to practice it... You know, for the past
13 years, he practiced. He went out campus after campus. In the beginning, he wasn't as good as he was.
In the end, he was good, but he wasn't as good. And so it was a skill he developed over time that made him more and more threatening,
more and more effective. And you look at the... numbers just in the presidential election,
it's not an overstatement to say that Donald Trump has Charlie to thank for his election in November 2024,
swinging the youth vote by nine... points... Yeah, we've never seen anything like it in the past hundred years.
You don't swing the youth vote toward a Republican... Nothing in modern presidential politics.
So he was... a really integral, hugely important player, even though he was so understated...
and projected zero ego. So you didn't see him like that. He didn't have sort of the swagger of that...
In most of his public appearances, he was quick to subjugate himself to whomever he was talking to,
but he was way more important than he ever let on. yes And I think that's why
he was perceived as such a threat. That's why him saying the things others... would say carried an extra layer of threat
yet both to this shooter and to Charlie's many different detractors... And I just want to add as a period to this,
as a footnote, I guess, to this, Tucker, you have a lot of it, too. And it is the reason why Charlie
is not the only one who's been threatened or was threatened to cut ties with you
or not. Platform, you. I, too, have gotten that, especially since you've been more outspoken on Israel.
And I... couldn't care less the amount of pressure they put. Like what? What are you talking about?
This is madness. Why would you want to silence such a powerful, important voice just because you disagree with them on one subject,
one on which we've all watched you sincerely evolve as you grapple with principles you've been espousing
for years, like America first, like what's happening to Christians, like what's best for us and our kids here?
How do I keep them safe? That's my... number one priority. And I've been just absolutely disgusted and recoiled from people
who have tried to pressure me on it. it of course, never happened... But I know from speaking to Charlie, he felt it, too.
You've heard it from Charlie. That he felt. And there is a layer here of
nefarious pressure to have certain narratives go only one way.
yes That must be called out and must be fought. Well, I should have said in my open...
that when Charlie was denounced as anti Semitic and, quote, dangerous by the American Jewish committee you were too...
That. That. That was a press. I don't know if you've ever even seen it. And I just remember when I read that at the time,
thinking, okay, these are like two of the most pro Israel, basically pro Israel people, like,
on the Internet. I don't understand. So I do. I. Maybe we should have this offline, but let's just have it now.
I don't get that. Why would you attack. There are definitely people who hate Israel, who are not anti Semites or people in Israel who are anti Semites.
There's a whole range... And then there are, like, people who have, like, you know, religious reasons for wanting to blow up Israel.
right Those are all threats... Why would they be attacking you and Charlie?
And honestly, I feel like me. I mean, what is that? Why attack people who
are pretty reasonable, who don't want to get into a fight on the topic, who just want to, like, have their country thrive?
Why denounce them as dangerous anti Semites? What is that? And let me just underscore for your audience
what I had said. I mean, the sum total of what I had said when they started coming for me,
just to show the absurdity of this, I had said on Piers Morgan... that Israel was losing the PR war,
that they had lost the Democrats and the independents and were starting to lose the Republican Party in America.
And it was time to wrap it up. Which was... a quote from Donald Trump, who had said it a year earlier when he was still a candidate...
Time to wrap it up. That's what I said about Israel. And then at Turning Point... at the Student Action... Summit
with Charlie, we talked all about Epstein and my appearance there. It was all about Pam Bondi, frankly.
And we talked about whether he might possibly be an asset for someone. right And I said he might be... And Israel, yeah, would make sense to me. Didn't know.
But that's one of the things we should consider and look at. And that will conclude the list of things I said about Israel that after two years
of going on the air and defending them and every... week turned some weird crowd into,
she's an anti Semite. So, I mean, f these people, because it's a lie. It was even...
more of a lie about Charlie, who had said even less than me. He had said nothing, like absolutely nothing.
And they use those terms about him because he was on the other side of me when we had that discussion.
And because he hosted you and because, and because he had the nerve to invite Dave Smith
in a debate because he allowed one side to be represented and he had the Israel side fully represented too...
So this was just such an unfair accusation. And I don't know why you know these very ardent advocates don't accept friendship when you offer it,
when you've proven that you are genuinely a friend. I've said openly, Tucker. there's no, I am not I don't want to debate.
I'm on their side. There's no reason to put somebody on this show so they can convince me that Israel's right. I'm on their side.
I agree with that... But in response to those comments and then ultimately having Marjorie Taylor Greene on where...
we criticized aipac, I mean, who, who defends a lobbyist group? They treated me like I was Mehdi Hassan.
Not everybody, you know, but like the loudest Israel Defenders and the, and to turn around and call Charlie Kirk an anti Semite
is such a disgusting smear... Then you're right. He's young. You know, he, he was young... and wasn't used to being attacked like that
by people who supported him and people whose donations are actually really important to the ongoing existence of his organization.
And it took a lot for him to say no to them and it took a lot for him to be honest about the fact that
his opinions had evolved. And let's face it, Charlie was like an unofficial spokesperson for the youth of America,
in particular conservative youth. And I don't know if people have checked, but they no longer support Israel and everybody under 30 is against Israel.
Charlie was 31. no And so as a friend, he's, he's saying to them as. Same way I, as a friend, I'm saying,
I am telling you, you've lost Dems independence and you're starting to lose Republicans.
You need to wrap it up. You've had a two year... long leash. I know you want your hostages back, but...
this cannot go on until you have every hostage. That's just not going to, you're going to lose every friend you have.
And that's what he was saying because that's what he was hearing from his... constituency.
And so what he did to them was brave and noble to the donors who were very, very pro Israel, it was brave and it was noble.
He did not deserve to be smeared over it. of course And look, I, like you, have... zero
belief that this had anything to do with his death. But it's part of the larger narrative that you're making,
that he... was a truth teller, that he was a fearless truth teller, and that there were a lot of pockets
when he turned to them and said those truths that grew extremely uncomfortable...
And whether it was some too online. disgusting, messed up 22 year old... in Utah
or, you know, somebody who couldn't stand his messaging that was very frank around...
race or around Islam, whatever, take your pick. He said the
hard truths on all of these things... I think a lot of people have to have a really ugly conversation with themselves now in the
wake of his death about whether they added to the hate surrounding him. And for... Benjamin Netanyahu really tormented Charlie...
We talked about it many times. He tormented Charlie and his advocates tormented Charlie. For him to run around saying that Charlie died for Israel is just too much.
It's just disgusting. And as his friend, I feel morally bound to say that. no That that statement was out of line No, I agree with you.
And I never talk about Bibi Netanyahu. I don't really, I don't think much about him. I don't. no
I just don't. I had the opportunity to interview him a couple months ago and I, I declined. I'm just, I'm just not. No, I just don't want to.
I didn't want to platform him. I didn't actually, frankly want to do all the work that I would have to do to...
sufficiently interview him in a way that would be, you know, tough, as I do when I have any foreign leader in my crosshairs.
I just wasn't interested. I, whatever. For him to do what he did was... wrong. It was deeply, it was a moral
wrong... to sit out there and read part of Charlie's letter and try to have the final say on Charlie's pronunciations about...
Israel. And he knew that they weren't the full story. And he's a foreign leader. He's not an American leader. So how dare he?

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You know, at best, you come out there, you say, I'm so sorry for this loss, my prayers to his family... That's it.
right He was out of line, Tucker and I, as not even a Netanyahu critic, saw it very clearly and talked about it today on the show,
too. Can I ask you about next steps? I'm always wary of people who want to. I just want to ask you about two issues.
One, are hate speech laws, which I'm paranoid about, but I think we should be.
And two is the effort by... one person in Congress, Marjorie Taylor Greene, to get the federal government to ban
sex changes for children, and she can't seem to get that done. So are we going to get...
hate speech laws, do you think? Pam Bondi seems to suggest we are. And two, are we ever going to ban
the mutilation of kids? So, on the hate speech
comments, that was an absolutely ridiculous comment she made today. I mean, it was absolutely foolhardy. There's just no way she doesn't know what she said is legally unsound.
She's. There's just no way she was Attorney General of the state of Florida and became U.S. attorney General and doesn't know that.
So it does worry me because does that mean she's actually pushing for a policy change?.. Because there's just no way she doesn't already know what she said is wrong.
There's been reams of Supreme Court precedent on it, and she knows that. So is this about policy change?
She tried to wiggle off of her original point as the day went on, as incoming came almost universally from the right,
that she had said something very, very wrong, constitutionally and vile
as a moral principle. We've been fighting against this for decades on the right. Like what, what is she saying?
She sounded like a Merrick Garland. She sounded like an attorney general Kamala Harris would have put in place.
And so she tried to pivot off of it as the day went on and tried to make it smaller. And, you know, all I'm saying is
violent threats, criminal threats... are, are going to be punished. Well, yes and no. It depends on the threat.
There's actually only a sliver of threats that, that is actionable... under the law. So you're getting closer, but you're not quite there.
You're. You're giving, again, still wide, too wide a berth... to attacking free speech. But, yeah, it is true that certain threats,
true threats, can be ruled unconstitutional. You could go after somebody. So she does worry me,
and, you know, I'm not. Trump was asked about it and he kind of made a funny joke about it going after the ABC News interviewer who asked him the question.
right But I think Trump will see that there's so much resistance to this on the
right that he won't let her do that. He won't let her push for it, and he won't let the Republicans... do it. I just have to think Trump
reads his base better than she does. Yeah, I agree with that. And speaking of reading your base, and I've got to thank the presidents for this,
I don't know why... Speaker Mike Johnson has held it up. But, I mean, we don't let kids get tattoos or smoke cigarettes,
but we do let ghoulish doctors who are getting money for doing it... mutilate children. Like,
why can't Marjorie Taylor Greene get a hearing on this legislation?.. I don't understand. I know I don't know.
I don't know the answer to that. I mean, like this, they, they chalk this up to, oh, it's a spending resolution. We're just going to continue,
you know, the spending that's in place until, right. It's like, okay, you're, you're funding mutilations of children... and not just the mutilations that are done with surgeries,
you're funding with these, you know, puberty blockers into cross sex hormones, sterilization of minors who cannot possibly consent to that.
And not just sterilization, but actually the end of all potential for sexual pleasure. How does a 12 year old understand
that he's sacrificing that with your weird experiments on him?.. It is truly a moral scorch, what we're doing to our children...
And I don't actually, I'm sorry to say I don't have a lot of faith that that's going to get a ban at the federal level,
which means it'll be left to the states, which means if you live in a blue state, it's, it's
go, you know, have at it, go ahead and mutilate children... and sterilize them and deprive them of sexual pleasure. exactly
They, because it makes you feel good. It's not dissimilar... to the left saying Trump shouldn't add additional law enforcement...
They shouldn't accept additional law enforcement where he wants to send it, because it's racist to let black... people live.
It's racist to let them live in peace, to not be carjacked in these inner cities which are predominantly African American.
That's what the left is telling us, that it's racist for Trump to send those troops... or even volunteer.
And they're saying the same, that what's good for children, what's, what's kind,
what's, you know, the honorable thing to do... is to let deranged parents chop off children's healthy body
parts and sterilize them, because that's what, that's what... an evolved person would do.
And so that, like, that's another thing that this angel sent to us would speak very frankly about
and threaten all these people who have a constituency, whether it's someone with a last Name Pritzker,
who actually has money invested in the transing of children. That governor's cousin is one of the big funders...
of all these school pushes on the trans issue. Or somebody who just... gets Jones out of saying they're, you know, gonna open the prisons and...
let black people not get arrested for the crimes because they just think that's beneficial, I guess,
somehow to other black people who are usually their victims, never mind the race of the victim. yeah
It's not beneficial to any of us... In any event. I don't have hope on that front. We're going to keep fighting... But if they don't ban it at the federal level,
which I don't think they're going to. we're never going to get all 50 states to ban it. I think it'd be worth reading a daily roll call of people
standing in the way of that, because... that's the kind of crime that historians will
reel in horror that we allowed. I think your remarks about Charlie at the beginning were like some
of the wisest I've ever heard. And I'm actually going to look at the tape because I was so impressed by what you said
and moved by it. So, Megan Kelly, thank you for taking time late at night to do this. I appreciate it.
Great to be with you, as always. Thank you. All right, well, we have
Scott Adams
someone joining us now who are just really, really grateful to have someone who has been famous for decades
for a different skill and in the last 10 years has really emerged as a consistent voice of wisdom
online and never interviewed him before, but really happy to, I don't think.
Scott Adams joins us now. Scott, thanks very much for doing that. Thanks for having me, Tucker. Yeah.
we talked once before. quite a Few years ago, and it was on FOX News.
And I've just erased that whole part of my brain. It's like CTE or something. I can't really... remember what I did there.
I think I'm ashamed of some of it. But anyway. tell us what you think
the lesson of Charlie Kirk's life and death are like. What. What strikes you Immediately
Well, you know, one of the big questions is how did somebody get to that place where it seemed perfectly reasonable for them to get a gun and.
And shoot a living human being? yes yes some people know in your audience that I'm also a hypnotist.
I'm a trained hypnotist. And so I tend to look at these situations through that filter.
And through that filter, you can see a really clear cause and effect, you know, starting around.
Let's say 2016, there was wall to wall Hitler, Hitler, Nazis. 24 hours
before that there had been other Republicans who had been accused of being Hitler.
But I think that everybody treated it like hyperbole, you know, oh, it's just, you know,
it's a, it's a political insult and it's the most common one, so you don't take it too seriously.
but imagine being a... young kid... and growing up when the, the news, the people in nice clothing...
would go on TV and they would say, in all seriousness, I, you know, he's basically Hitler, the Nazis are coming.
And you would, you would create yes a mass hysteria...
Now a mass hysteria would be worse than TDS or Trump derangement syndrome, because that would be sort of what happens to an individual,
you know, that could have tds. But if you have a lot of people who have TDS...
and they start talking to each other, pretty soon you've got a mass hysteria.
And the mass hysteria created this what I call a hit larian bubble,
meaning that a lot of people are living in what they think is a reality
that is just completely hiltlerized. They see... Hitler everywhere and they see it in Trump,
they see it in his lieutenants. And this is different. So this is not like what we've seen before.
All it takes to completely brainwash somebody to believe ridiculous things, even things that their observations would,
you should tell them are not true... All you need is people in good suits... who, whose
job makes them seem credible to say day after day, it's the repetition that matters.
Hitler, Hitler, Hitler... And you convince people that they're living in a hellscape and they
better do something about it. So, so the main thing I saw was that.
you know, once the bubble is formed. it's hard to get out.
You can't talk people out of it. There's no amount of information that will change their mind. Cognitive dissonance will
kick in... if you show them a counter example. And the weird thing about
Charlie, who I'd never met by the way. I didn't have the pleasure.
The weird thing is that when I started hearing all the accusations... and there were a lot of them,
I said to myself, well, I'll bet some of these might be a little bit true. So I started to look for the original quotes,
et cetera. None of them are true. And there were a lot of them.
They were all either a made up quote or a quote and a context and nothing else.
And when you hear people talking about it, especially the young people, they'll say things like
he was a bad... hater... person. but there's no example. So that's sort of the,
the sign that it's, you know, a mass hysteria because they can't give reasons and they don't seem too interested in the reasons.
They're just sure that something has to be done. Now, on top of that, for the young people, there's probably also an economic...
pressure, you know, that they might feel that... life doesn't have a positive path. So that,
that might be playing into this a little bit as well. But I do wonder what will happen.
And I predict that there's going to be another big bubble of psychological... distress
when the people who have said such bad things about him in public realize that none of it was true.
Because over time it looks like he's going to be talked about with so much... that we'll, you know, we'll finally have a complete body of
information... about him so we can understand them. And it won't happen to most people. Most people will just have cognitive dissonance...
They'll still believe he was, you know, Hitler Jr. But... there will be some people, you know, not, not a big percentage
who are going to realize that they did something so shameful... that it will haunt them for the rest of their lives
that, that they were part of saying something terrible about one of the best people that
we've witnessed. I mean, he, he genuinely was a high character person and you can see in everything he did.
So... there's something big coming up. But then... another thing that happened that was
fascinating to me... because I didn't expect it, which was... the Democrats have always had what I'd call a machine,
which is that since they worked with the media, they had the media in their pocket...
You would see it happen when they'd have some. Our message this week... are these words.
And then everybody would say the same words and then the media would just... pump it out.
So it was like this big, well functioning machine. And then they had the NGOs and all the funding tricks,
et cetera. But when Charlie Kirk... died, you could almost
feel this massive energy... being released. You know, he, he sort of controlled it. But
when it was released, you know, his, his mortal coil was no more. I feel like that energy just...
went into people and... suddenly tens of millions of people
simultaneously... said, what can I do? What can I do? Right now?
That's different. People don't say, I'm going to stop everything, tell me what to do...
I'm going to go to church. A lot of people did. I'm going to Say stuff on social media.
I'm going to hunt down the people who said bad things and cancel them. But I'm going to do something.
You know, we're, we're, we're going to figure out how to start another chapter of, you know, TP usa.
And all of that's happening, and it doesn't seem to be slowing down,
you know, the vigils, etc. If anything, the energy. it might be growing.
And I've never seen anything like it in my life. I've never seen the Republicans turn into their own machine.
And now it is a machine and it's going to be incredible. so
you know, I, I was thinking yesterday, it sounds like a joke, but it's quite serious.
The thing that protects the Democrats from, you know, also having some kind of problem like this
is that they don't have any leaders that are worth taking off the board. I mean, if you said to me
somebody's got a plot... to take Tim Walz off the board, I would say, oh, no, no.
If you're a Republican, you want to keep him there... because... he's not doing a good job.
You know, your Jasmine Crockets, your Chuck Schumers. I say, please... keep them right where they are.
They're doing a great job... Nobody needs to harm them. But on top of that.
I don't believe that Republicans, conservatives ever even think that way.
I've never heard one say anything suggesting violence, like, not even in just a casual conversation.
The joking way. You might do it in private, nothing like that... And I think it has to do with the fact that
overall, the conservatives, the Republicans, MAGA people tend to look at Democrats... almost...
as if they're clowns. They say things that literally make me laugh. No joke.
I, I sound like Biden there, but I literally. that frightened me a little bit.
I literally will watch the news and watch Republican, you know, prominent people talking
because I think it's funny. And... when they watch, when the left watches the right,
they think they're watching monsters. yes So you can imagine how somebody want to kill a monster,
but nobody wants to kill a clown. Well, maybe somebody does, but, you know,
so far, Republicans have not wanted to kill any clowns. And I do think.
well, first of all, the cancellations we're seeing, I have a little bit of mixed feelings about it because my point
of view is that the people involved who are getting canceled are themselves brainwashed...
And I don't mean that... in sort of the. I don't know, the
hypothetical way or anything. Like, I mean, actually, literally, they've been exposed to the strongest brainwashing you could have,
which is about eight years of wall to wall Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler... And you know, Charlie's one of the generals.
So if you can't get to the Hitler, you're thinking, well, you know, maybe, maybe one of the generals would be less protected.
And that was the case. But I feel a little bit bad for them because they're,
they're... victims too. But at the same time, the way society works, you can't let them get away with that.
So, you know, there has to be some, some reckoning... And I am enjoying, I have to say, being a canceled person myself.
I am enjoying the schadenfreude or the, you know, the, the catharsis
of seeing that it can go both ways, at least for now. And by the way,
I do think that the violence goes in both directions, but I don't think... that there is an equivalent
to a massive machine... that's been creating a situation... that guaranteed there would be violence.
If you just keep saying Hitler and you're selling it... not as hyperbole, but you're selling it as absolute fact,
the people who don't have access to... alternative theories are going to believe that
and they're going to act on it. So. And I like the fact that there's a little mutually assured
destruction. The, the left is getting to see a little bit of payback, reminding that the, that the
Republicans aren't going to take infinite abuse. You know, there's going to be a point where it's going to come back.
I kind of like that. But I just, you know, overall, I wouldn't be proud of it.
You know, the, the cancellations, I do believe that they're, they're brainwashed victims.
but I do wonder. so may Yeah, go ahead. Well, I thought your description of brainwashing
seems accurate. It's very distressing to think that could happen in our free republic,
you know. the free and brave United States. I thought the people were more independent minded than that.
So that's sad. It's probably just human, though. A weakness that we all share,
the susceptibility to propaganda, but that why would you want... to hypnotize a population or a portion of it?
Like, usually there's a goal in mind. What's the goal here? power
Democrats know that they can win an election that way. If they had better ideas and better policies and charismatic leaders,
I imagine that's what they'd go with. But Trump enters...
the contest... and you have the most charismatic leader with
sensational Ideas according to at least his base. What are you going to do?
He's the common sense guy. Are you going to say we really do want the border open,
we... really do want a little bit more crime in our urban centers? What are you going to do?.. You don't have
any kind of a rational... attack to the common sense president who's been here before and
knows how to get this stuff done. So it's just all they have. And I don't know that it's, I don't know that it's intentional...
that they did it so hard that it guaranteed violence. I don't think violence was the intention...
I think just... winning elections was the intention. Yeah, that sounds right.
So thank you for this. By the way, last question. Where, where do you foresee this going?
Well, you know, it's, it's unpredictable because the cognitive dissonance will cause people to
think in a way that's non standard. That's, that's exactly what it is. So there might be a lot more of that coming,
but one of the things that's going to happen is it might be the, the last. what would you call it?
The last straw that makes the entire Democrat... situation collapse... Because if you look at their situation, they're running out of money.
They don't have good leaders, they don't have ideas that can, you know, beat the competing ideas,
and they don't have momentum. They don't have the podcast world. You know, the conservatives have that pretty nailed down.
Basically. They have the right, the best talent for just about everything... right now.
Just an amazing amount of talent in the, the right side of the world.
But then you add on top of that the, the emotions and the feelings that people got because of
Charlie Kirk's death. And... that was probably the only thing missing
was, no matter what, I'm going to get to the voting booth. You know, you could have a hurricane
and conservatives are going to crawl through glass to get to the voting booth.
So I suspect we will see a number of votes from the Republicans like we've never seen before.
It could be sensational. Scott Adams, I really am grateful that you took time to do this.
You look great. Thank you very much. god speed Thanks, Tucker. Thanks.
Cenk Uygur
I got a text earlier today from someone I sort of know saying Cenk Uygur. Why, why is he on your show?
The Young Turks guy? Isn't this a tribute to Charlie Kirk? Why would you have some like, screamy lefty on your show?
Well, precisely because Charlie Kirk's life work was speaking
with... not just two but with people he disagreed with very vehemently. I thought that our next guest,
who's run the Young Turks for probably almost 20 years now, I think you can correct me if I'm wrong,
who is one of the most visible daily broadcasters on the left, the fact that he had this kind of amazing exchange with Charlie Kirk.
Well, a couple of them, but one pretty recently, I thought it'd be worth hearing what... he thought.
So it is with pride that we announced our next guest. Thank you. Thank you, Cenk for coming on.
No problem, Tucker. Thanks for having me on. I. I think it's important that we have a moment like this where we try to bring the country together.
Amen. I. I so strongly agree. You had this kind of... famous exchange with him.
I think it was 2018 at Politicon, and it got super heated and bitter and it was like, I don't know if things were viral in 2018,
but it was viral. And then you came back to a TP USA event, and I was amazed and impressed
both that he invited you and that you came and you still disagreed on some things. But it was.
I mean, the tone was completely different. Can you explain that? And better and great, I thought.
yeah So first of all, in 2018, that was the Politicon that I debated you.
Okay Sorry we got along pretty well, as I remember.
We did. We did. And Charlie was debating my nephew, Hassan. okay
Hasan Piker And... But I couldn't help myself because that's who I am. And I. In the middle of their debate, I said something to Charlie
when I... wasn't on stage. I was in the crowd, and he yelled at me. I live like a capitalist every day Cenk by the way,
some people then thought that it was a racial slur. No, that was just my name. He was just slightly...
mispronouncing it. So then actually something happened in between
that moment in Turning Point USA America Fest. So
we were at the RNC in 2024, and Charlie came by at our booth and said,
hey, do you guys want to talk? And we were a little bit taken aback by that.
We're really surprised by it... And... Ana and I. Ana Kasparian, my co host on the Young Turks.
Talked it over and said, yeah, yeah, we would like to talk... And so he came on the show... and so we had our disagreements. So for the.
yes It's interesting that you have me on here. You know, partly for the reasons that,
you know, your friend texted you about how. Well, that's strange. Right. Left and right. And.
And so I don't agree with Everything that you, Megan and Scott... said about Charlie I'm sure.
Right. But, but I think that's what makes it more interesting.
So the willing that, the willingness to talk to us, even though we were... so entrenched on different sides. yeah
Right? And so then when we started the conversation, what wound up happening, it
surprised us. So did we still have our disagreements about the black pilot line, this, that and other thing?
Of course we did. but when we started talking about corporate rule,
he agreed. And I remember, like, I want to go back and watch the first interview we did with
him at the RNC there because I was kind of shocked by it. It's like, really, you're also worried about
corporations having too much power and, and Right, because that,
Tucker, you could understand, that was a, that was a left wing position for a long time in this country.
It was but, but the battle has been joined. And so that is an
incredible development in American politics that mainstream media, I think, has chosen to ignore... because it seemed convenient for them.
Then we got into a specific topic which was banning private equity... from...
buying residential real estate... And the idea behind that is private equity is...
the biggest bankers in the world, Basically, they're the biggest financial institutions...
and they've started to buy all of our homes. Now that creates a huge... number of problems.
Number one, it drives up housing prices. That is why they are artificially high, because so much more demand has come into the market...
And I went to Wharton Business school. So this is not complicated though. This is Econ 101, supply and demand. right
And so secondly, what. The number one wealth creation asset that the American family has is their homes.
That is how we created the greatest middle class the world has ever seen. And they're taking that from us
and they're going to turn us all into renters... and then we're going to be indentured servants to them.
Okay... And the way that they are doing this is they are giving collectively...
billions of dollars to our politicians. So this issue connects, actually the, the money and politics issue connects to everything...
Connects to corporate rule. Compare. It connects to capitalism, by the way, which I want to get back to,
connects to Israel, because it isn't about... Israel or any other particular... lobby being
evil or dastardly or in charge. It's the money that's in charge.
And so if... Big Pharma, Pfizer, Johnson, Johnson, etc. Give money to our politicians,
well, then they pass absurd laws like we're not allowed to negotiate drug prices. Right.
What in the world? In capitalism, you're not allowed to negotiate prices.
Right, I know. And we talked about that. And he said, you're right, that that is absurd.
And we on the right already believe that, that it's absurd and that it's against capitalism.
Fantastic. So... look, you're right. We've been around a long time on the Young Turks. We're actually the longest running show in Internet history.
And in that time we've had, you know, we've been on for 23 years...
We've had... about 21 to 22 years of hardened battle. Fighting back and forth.
Fighting back and forth. And as anybody who's seen me online knows, I, I can get emotional,
I can get passionate. yeah And... I, I'm not a wilting flower. I fight back for sure.
Right. So what was amazing, though was all of a sudden I didn't have to fight back.
That on those issues, not every issue, and not on all the culture wars, but on these economic issues, we have begun to agree...
And why? Because the average guy is getting screwed. Yes.
Period. It doesn't matter if you're on the left or the right, you're both going to get screwed. You're both going to have higher housing prices,
you're both going to have lower wages, you're both going to have higher drug prices. And the people that brought you, that is the donor class.
And so when we agreed to that, then I said, okay, well, now conversation has become productive.
We're not just yelling at each other. For the first time ever, we are talking to one another.
And more importantly, we are listening to one another. So we did it again at the DNC and then...
Charlie invited me to America Fest... and I went there and... again, we disagreed on gun rights, we disagreed on
some trans issues. but we wound up agreeing... on... Dick Cheney and Mitch McConnell, for example.
Neither one of us like him, like. Either one of them. I agree.
And you know, Tucker, I'll say this, and there's a lot more to talk about in that context, but. If you told me...
you are going to go to a massive right wing conference in the year 2025.
and what's going to happen is... the crowd, in unison is going to boo Dick Cheney.
If you told me that when we first started the Young Turks and we're railing against Dick Cheney,
don't go in Iraq, don't go in Iraq. Cheney's lying. Right And people are yelling back at support the troops,
you're for Saddam and all this stuff. If you told me, oh, don't worry, in 20 some odd years...
that crowd will be booing Dick Cheney... And that crowd will be booing Mitch McConnell because they realize
that the corporate class, the donor class, is in charge and they hate it. I would have said, oh, my God,
that must be a beautiful day in America. Well, so this is what I admire about you. You're.
You're totally sincere about your principles. Like you, You. You almost don't care what. Who's agreeing with you.
You believe in the idea, the principle. So you're willing to make... common cause with people you don't agree with in everything...
You're not partisan. And, and the second thing I should just. I just want to say it out loud is that young Turks, whatever you think of your politics,
has had a stated commitment to non violence from the very beginning. And you mean it. And I just. I just want to say that for people who don't know that,
and I want to thank you for that because I think it's really important. And... anyway. But so let me ask you, how were you treated
at Amfest, at Charlie's event? yeah By the way, thank you for saying that, Tucker.
And... the principle of nonviolence... extends through everything. So do not be violent to each other.
Violence is intellectual surrender. That's saying I can't win the debate with my mind, so I have to act like an animal and try to defeat that person physically.
But that means you're surrendering and you're giving up. It is. It's... the most immoral thing you could do.
It's also the weakest thing you could do. Yes, I agree. And, but that's on. Not just on an individual level,
that's also on a societal level. So when we go to war, that is, in a sense, weakness.
Saying we could not use our minds to resolve this issue. We could not resolve this issue as fellow human beings.
So now we're going to kill each other. So it. That is why we're anti war, and that is why
one of the most encouraging developments of my life is how anti war the right wing movement has become
so that another great day in America. So still plenty of things we disagree on. yes
But. But agreeing on anti war, agreeing on... how the donor classes is robbing both of us blind...
And those are huge developments. Right. So now, how was I treated at Amfest? I got to be honest with you.
And so the reason why I preface it by saying I got to be honest with you is because...
sometimes when we go and talk to the right wing and, and as you say, we haven't moved on a thing.
Right... So folks come to us and I Have a simple principle. Take the win. Okay,
take the win. Exactly. Like so. Okay, now you agree with me that
anti war is the right position. Is my correct answer that I still hate you?
No, that is not the correct answer. The correct answer is, oh, thank God.
exactly Right. And now we'll work on the next thing and the next thing and the next thing.
But for now, at least, we had no agreements before. Now we have have a number of really important agreements,
so. But nevertheless, I had my share of critics on the left. You're. You're platforming him.
I went to his conference. I wasn't platforming him, he was platforming me. Right,
yeah And second of all, stop with all the nonsense talk of platforming people. Okay,
I agree. Just listen to one another, Talk to one another... That's not a bad thing, that's a good thing.
But what if you disagree? And of course you're going to disagree.
It's America... We're free. We have... no two human beings are the same. Of course we're going to disagree on some issues.
So if you can't handle that, then you can't handle politics, you can't handle media, you can't handle America.
Right. So, okay, so with that giant preface, I'll say the people there honestly were universally wonderful.
so they were. And so you could say, oh, well, you know, haha, that means jinxing...
with the right wing. No, I'm just telling you what happened. If they were jerks, I would tell you that they were jerks,
but they weren't. Okay... And I've got to say, like this cancel culture,
it's not exclusively left wing. No, I know. tell me about it. I mean, yeah,
the efforts that some people made to keep me from speaking at the next TPUSA thing.
People I agree with on a lot of things, by the way. I don't disagree with Seth dillon and everything,
Mr. Free Speech Guy trying to cancel me, but I was like shocked by it. Like they really
hassled Charlie and just drove him to, you know, to really fret and drove him to anxiety over this.
Oh, no, no. That impulse is a human impulse and we need to resist it. Yeah. So I love what you guys said about...
hate speech and how it's unacceptable to pass laws on that. Not acceptable. yeah
Under no circumstances. So. And this is what I... say on that topic.
Charlie says some things about Islam that, you know, having grown up Muslim, I'm atheist now,
but my family is Muslim. My background's Muslim. I'm proud of it. He said some things about Islam that I was not a fan of.
To say the least. So. I bet. So you know what I did in return? I made my case. So what?..
Right, like, what's. Why is it so, like, debilitating if someone says something that you find offensive?
I've said things that I'm sure others have found offensive. You have. Charlie has. Megan has. So
what? Then you say something back... Okay. We don't cancel.
We don't kill... And killing is... the most extreme form of cancel culture.
So I despise cancel culture. And I have the honor of being. Having been canceled by almost
every part of the political spectrum. I know Man, what an.
That was... That was really inspiring. And. And I'm going to text back the... person who texted me and say, did you watch that?
That was wonderful. And I so appreciate you're doing this. Thank you. And I hope you don't take too much abuse for it.
and I'm sure you will, but I guess you don't care, so. Good for you. Thank you. That'll bounce off me so quick.
Just say this one last thing, Tucker... The idea of making laws against hate speech
in honor of Charlie Kerr. No, I know, I know. Okay. That's like, if I passed away and they're like,
in honor of Cenk, we're all going to go on a diet. Tell me about it.
Or the Tucker Carlson. No Pizza law. No, I. I agree. I agree.
Come on. That is opposite of what I've did in my life... And... And regulating speech is the opposite of what Charlie did in his life.
So let's all keep talking to one another. Let's all keep listening to one another...
and hopefully... use this moment not to create further tragedy, but to begin to end the tragedies.
I'm proud to agree with that, you know, really, really strongly. So thank you for saying it... very much.
Fr. Josiah Trenham
Thank you Tucker Great to see you. Thanks. you to So we want to end tonight
the way we began by talking about... Charlie's faith... and the effect on all of us from a spiritual perspective
of his life and particularly his death. There were reports... that this Sunday church attendance was up dramatically
as people suddenly felt stirrings within them that this, you know, had cosmic significance and that God is
real and this is a reminder that he is, which he is. Josiah Trenham is a Christian minister,
and we are honored to have him now to put this in a broader spiritual context.
Thank you very much... for coming on, Father Trenham So how would...
How would you say we should think about where this goes from here?..
Like, people seem to have a heightened spiritual awareness in the days after Charlie Kirk's murder.
How should we proceed? Well, thanks a lot, Tucker, for having me on...
I appreciate your, your... interest and desire to bring a priest into this conversation...
I think it's valuable. I would say up front.
we should be very careful to make any... sort of conclusion from this during this very intense time of mourning.
You know. we christians we Christians have a tradition, 2000 year old tradition on how to
respond to death. And we take our time, we take our. This is day seven.
This is day seven... Usually for 40 days, we mourn very, very seriously.
In the orthodox tradition, for instance, when a bishop or a major leader of the church dies,
he's not replaced until the 40 days is done. And that's not just out of respect...
for the person in this case. Mourning charlie. Really
processing... what his loss means is very necessary to do, and it takes time to do that.
And we're not going to be able to make... good decisions about the future with out
calming down and... processing what we've gone through. So this is the time I think that we should be very careful.
We should mourn. We should consign all bad memories
to the memory hole. Bad experiences is what we do for our loved ones when they die...
There's no benefit in remembering the bad. We instead honor the good and try to imitate the good...
We try to. in the person's name, do good.
So this is... my first thought, is really we should mourn. We should be who we are.
And this is what Christian people do. We should take our time about this.
I'm unfamiliar with this. I'm embarrassed to say I don't know enough about it, but I sense that it's rooted in something important and wise.
Can you explain a little more why 40 days and what Christians have done traditionally during that 40 days?
What does it mean to mourn seriously? Yeah... Well, I share your. Your sense of
it not being something common anymore, which is why I'm presenting it, because it is so
universally human, actually, and it's not just Christian. The number 40, of course, is humongous.
In the Holy Scriptures, it's absolutely humongous. And the 40 days of Christ
fasting, for instance, in the desert, 40 is a very important
length of time that allows us to truly not make immediate reactions that would be...
that we would regret. And right now, everything is so raw.
Everyone who knows and loves Charlie, like you. this is a very dangerous time.
It's a very dangerous time. You're being very courageous and you're actually processing this with people who have known and respected Charlie which
is fantastic thing to do. But a lot of people who are in the conservative political movement are.
Are raging... They're very angry. I was watching a clip from Matt Walsh...
yesterday, and I saw that Matt was just out there saying that he is just overcome with
anger. I think that's understandable. Yes completely understandable. I have felt that.
I'm sure. I'm sure. But for us to respect our. This, this Christian tradition...
to pray, typically in. In. In the Orthodox and the Catholic tradition, Both during the 40 days,
we do good in that person's name. We actually take... Do alms, we do charity
in that person's name. In fact, you're doing that. Maybe you weren't intentionally trying to do it in a traditional Christian way,
but that is what you're doing by trying to help Erika and support her... I was very,
very happy to see that you're doing that because it's. It's what we do. It's what we do in this period.
We usually also pray for the person. We don't think that a person, when they die.
Bing. They've made the transition to the next life instantaneously. There are some in the Protestant tradition who think that.
Not all Protestants think that, but there are some. But the vast majority of Christians, Catholic, Orthodox and some,
like the Anglicans, we actually pray... for... the souls of the departed. And we think
we use the image of the story of Lazarus and the rich man from the Gospels,
where Lazarus is the poor beggar. He's neglected by the rich man. And when he dies, what happens?
An angelic escort comes and picks him up and... takes him on the journey to the bosom of Abraham.
For us, that is a journey... This process is a journey... of... Of for Christians, of going towards the kingdom of God.
But we don't think that... it's instantaneous. And so we're collaborating. It's part of what our funerals are too.
Our funerals are us gathering around the person... and asking the Lord...
in his great mercy to receive our brother or our sister and... place them in paradise
until we can see them again. And we're also learning the lesson of sobriety.
We're learning the lesson of death. We have to think about death and stare it in the face...
Because one of the great reasons we are so undeveloped, spiritually speaking, as a nation,
is because we... don't face death. One of the reasons that we have an incredible revival going on
all over the United States right now is because of COVID Covid... faced... It caused us to face death.
We had been Hiding it. You know, we've moved our, our old people, our parents and the sick into old folks homes and hospitals and they die there,
usually not surrounded by their family members... And then some Christian traditions now even do funerals without the body.
That is just nuts. It's just nuts. And it steals.
It steals from us. The very, very important process of mourning
and facing death and it changes you, you know, in the Orthodox tradition. In the Orthodox Christian tradition,
the funeral service was written by one of the great theologians of the Church. His name is St. John of Damascus.
He lived from 650 to 750... An incredible hymnologist, incredible scholar. He actually was
a very important political figure at the time that Islam, his, his father and grandfather
governed the city of Damascus. And when it was taken over by Islam in the seventh century,
the Muslims left the Christians in place for about 50 years because Muslims were Bedouin peasants.
They didn't have cities, they didn't have development, and they couldn't run a city like Damascus.
So they let the Christians do it for about a half a century. And then about 706, that was it. And no more Christians in leadership.
And he became a monk at that time, John of Damascus. And he wrote this incredible funeral service
for one of his dear brothers. And it's used to this day for the last 13 centuries.
And it's a deep reflection on the misery of death... where John is looking into the grave...
and he is contemplating how horrible it is for a Christian person to die and to see his soul be removed from his body,
which is what death is... It's the separation of the soul from the body. It no longer animates the body and it's lifeless
and, and to see the body decay. And he says it happens to the rich and to the poor exactly the same way.
All of the human, you know. differentiations that we make to honor the rich and to...
neglect the. All gone, all gone, all normalized, all brought to the dust by death.
By death. I don't mean to belabor this, but I think it's important for us. It's important, of course, for the immediate family,
for all of Charlie's close family and friends to take their time, not expect that they're going to be able to just bounce back
instantaneously and get right back at turning points work. No doubt they will...
eventually, but I hope... that they'll take the time right now to... pray,
to mourn. to... think deeply about the future and about how they can honor Charlie's name.
This is my hope. I think that's such A profound thing to say.
And anyone who has been... present at the death of loved ones, I think can confirm...
that it's one of the most... powerful and obviously crushingly sad, but also beautiful and inspiring...
things. I mean, it absolutely changes you. And... it's hard to remain an atheist after something like that.
And we have been robbed of that experience. So what are the signs of hope that you see
now? You know. I would say
before hope. the, the sorrow of what has happened to Charlie is so illustrative of a
descent into a level of violence that at least in my lifetime, and I'm, I'm only two years older than you,
I was born in 67, I think. You were born in 69, yes. You're a San Franciscan. I'm a Angelino, born and raised in Los Angeles.
I have never seen anything like this, Tucker. I have never seen anything like the violence that,
that exists today in our towns... When I grew up in Pasadena, I, as a young boy, I went walking...
to school. My mother let me stay out every night until... the lights went on.
When the lights went on, I had to be home for dinner. If I wasn't home for dinner, I was in trouble. But she had no worries.
She had no worries. No, in, in this last period, 10, 15 years especially...
violence has just absolutely exploded. You know. Charlie
reposed on 10th September. Of course, the next day was the horrible, you know, remembrance of 9/11.
He died on 9/10. We have 9/11. This coming December is going to be the 10 year anniversary of the terrible
terrorist attack right here... in the Inland Empire just 10 miles from when I,
where I am right now, when 14 people were murdered and 22 people wounded by a Pakistani Muslim couple
that thought that they would do something for Islam by... shooting... their co workers.
This is, they were from a mosque one mile from me right now. That mosque already had two of their
members... in prison... because of terrorist ambitions. My own parish, just
four months after that, was visited in the middle of a Sunday liturgy...
by a group of Muslim young men who thought it would be fun to bring bullhorns
in the middle of our service and come... outside the church and scream Allahu Akbar
at our, at our church. And then, and... this is of course...
Muslim terrorism. But now we also have this rise of... very, very serious leftist violence.
And the whole country, I think, is reeling... from the assassination attempts on our president...
and now... an attack on, on Charlie, who wasn't a politician at all. So I would say that
if we're going to look for hope, it can't be Fake. It can't be fake. We have to assess where we are.
And violence has. as a sin. Violence has a very special,
serious place. You know, if you read the patriarchal histories in the opening books of the Bible,
if you read Genesis, for instance, chapter six, this is the account of God
regretting that he had made the human race. What could the human being have possibly been doing...
to make God... regret having made us? And... the consequence, Moses tells us, is that he sent a worldwide universal flood.
Moses articulated the reason, the reason God did that and had to start over with Noah.
And in fact, he made Noah a second Adam. He gave the same commission to Noah that he gave to Adam. Be fruitful and multiply.
Fill the earth, Rule it and subdue it. Why did he do that? It says, because...
the world had become full of violence. When you attack another man.
When you attack another man, you attack God. Because every human being, as you were just saying so beautifully,
is made in the image of God. And so to attack a human is a direct divine offense.
Violence is extremely serious... I'm not surprised that we have this level of violence in a culture that...
murders unborn children at the rate that we do and have sustained it for the decades that we have.
yes Really. Is any violence surprising? Do we have.
Do we have hope? That's what you asked me, so forgive me, but that's the background. That is how black it is.
Yes, that is how black it is. Do we have hope? And what's the future?
I would say that from without a. Without a belief
that... God is merciful and that he loves the human race and that there's no sin
so great that if we repent of it, he will not send his love and forgiveness.
Without that belief, certainly we have no future... The statistics are horrible
for our country. We are so captured by... an ideology... that is hopeless. Atheism,
strict secularism, which is running our country now, it is extremely hopeless.
yes And... without a major reconsideration on the... part of our people, a return
to classic... American virtues, a recovery of Christian faith.
Without that, certainly we're doomed. But we know from Christian history
that... repentance is possible... And it usually takes... in a national sense, in a personal sense...
It's up to us to repent and to believe. In a national sense. It takes leadership.
Leadership that is willing to... address the important... things at the heart of national...
catastrophe. We have been living through... national catastrophe. We have lost our faith in God.
All of our institutions have been captured by... strict secularism.
Our law is godless. Our ins. Our. Our Universities
exclude... God. our
country is, has gone down a very, very serious... deep hole... If we're going to get out, if we're going to have hope as a nation,
we need leadership, leadership in the likes of... George Washington. I think our forebears,
our forebears are ashamed... My grandparents and America, they're ashamed of where we are.
Tucker, as a nation, our relationship to faith, our explicit commitment to God are excluding him from everything
that's important in America. We have to repent. And we need someone give us God, someone like a King David.
Give us someone like my patron saint Josiah, who was the last great king of Israel, who himself lived at a terrible time.
His father and his grandfather were both awful kings who had completely apostatized,
abandoned the heritage... of Israel, led the people to copy the pagan practices of the surrounding nations.
And forgive me, we're way worse than pagans. I, I always tell people,
look, don't call... the secular nonsense that's going on in America pagan. That's an insult to the pagans. The pagans...
believed in the divine order. They believed in the gods. Okay? We don't believe that there are gods. There is one God.
But the pagans at least knew they were accountable to the divine order, they were accountable to the gods and that they had to live with respect
to the wishes of the gods to call... America, which has no reference. Most of our leaders make no reference to God at all.
they may They act as though they are not accountable to God's law. And I think that's far,
far worse than paganism and a full blown insult to pagans to call it pagan... Unless we have a leader who's going to address
this. It needs to be addressed right directly. We need to repent
and we need to recover our faith. If we do that. times of refreshing will come... from God.
We can be changed, a new day can arise. But it's not going to be with a little fix.
It's not going to be with a little something here or a little something there. I've never seen.
I've been a priest for almost 33 years. I've never seen
the radical... interest in faith that we're seeing right now.
I'll tell you if I use my parish just as a little... example. I have maybe, I don't know,
little more than a thousand active parishioners that are here regularly. and over the years of my ministry,
I've catechized, I've instructed and prepared people for baptism. You know, maybe 20, 30, 40. A really great year would be 40 people.
I have over 200... people in catechism, right?
And this is happening all across the country. People are
moving towards God, moving towards faith. If this continues and it translates
into lives that are rooted, lives that are... where faith is
important. where true repentance has happened, where this
quest for just biological life, as though that somehow the sum total of value
is rejected. You know, if you study the scriptures, there's three types of life that are described in scriptures...
There's biological life. In Greek, it's called βίος, from where we get biological, right?
There's the life of the soul. Many Americans don't even know that that exists. That's called psyche...
It's the life... It's the most noble part of you, right? Even the Greek pagans, to use this again,
knew that the body is like a chariot and the soul is like the charioteer leading the person in nobility, said that the body does virtue,
the body does something beautiful, right? If you don't think you have psyche, if you think you're just a body...
and you don't have a soul, which by the way, is the worldview of the major tech titans of our
country. This is why someone as noble... as Elon Musk is becoming
would stand up and speak to... To the protesters in England when they were saying,
what can we do? What's our future? And he said what? He said technology and AI.
I promise you, Tucker, technology... is not going to save us. No, it is not going to save us.
And to say that is such is so hopeless. If we are soulless and we have greater technology,
then the soulless are going to use that greater technology to oppress us. Of course, we need.
We need to affirm what all reasonable human beings... in civilized countries, except... the modern
nuts, secular west. If we don't recognize that a human being is more than his body,
he has more than βίος. More than biological life. He has the life of his soul. psyche And then there's something that's most important,
which is... eternal life. Aionia Zoe, it's called in the scriptures... eternal life. This is the life of God's kingdom...
These are the three fundamental lives. Two of them we have stopped talking about for many decades,
and the consequences have been tragic What a. What a wonderful...
explanation. Charlie Kirk was very interested in orthodoxy, as I'm, I'm sure you know he was.
And he was knowledgeable on it too. I'm not, but I know that, but I'm interested. But he was very interested in it.
Were you aware of that? He... He interviewed a friend of mine, Father John Strickland,
who's a very respected Orthodox priest and a Russian scholar who. Who's published extensively on Russian history.
And Charlie was very interested in that. And I watched that interview and a few comments that he made afterwards in which...
he actually got very much into the mind of us Orthodox Christians and...
explained why so many people are converting to holy Orthodoxy. And I thought actually he was... spot on,
Very much spot on. He said people are becoming Orthodox because they want something that is
time tested. They want something that's substantial. They want something that actually... informs culture...
Something that isn't just a plaything and can be categorized over just here or Orthodox Christianity, traditional Christianity in general.
It is a lifestyle. It impacts everything because
Christ is king, and he's king over every aspect of our life and over civilization.
This is common knowledge. Europe, of course. You take a train through Europe...
Every town you go through, you're going to go through a town... that has the best land given to the church, and the church is going to be the highest building.
Because everyone knew if you don't enthrone worship at the center of your community, if you don't make the heavenly attachment to your earthly life,
you're... You're robbing yourself of significance and you're trivializing yourself
to just be limited to time. The best thing that can happen in America is that people
go to church, root themselves in the one holy, catholic and apostolic church, because the river of life comes from the altar,
out the doors of the church, and vivifies society. And do we ever need to be vivified today?
Beautiful, Father. Thank you. And before you go, I'm going to spell your name
for anyone who's made it to the end of this. I never do this, but I think what you said is... so wonderful that I know that people are going to want to follow up.
J O S I A H Trenham T R E N H A M Senior pastor and director
of your church... So... I know that people will want to know... more about you, and
now they can. So thanks very much for joining us. I appreciate it. Keep going, Tucker. Keep going.
Thank you very much. Well, we're gonna. And. And we're gonna.
We will keep going. We'll see if this format works. I kind of like it. Thanks a lot for joining us. For an hour and 50 minutes,
we'll be back soon.

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Billionaire Bill Ackman convened stormy Israel ‘intervention’ with Charlie Kirk, sources say
Max Blumenthal
September 15, 2025
https://thegrayzone.com/2025/09/15/bill ... rlie-kirk/

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A month before Charlie Kirk’s killing, billionaire pro-Israel moneyman Bill Ackman arranged an intervention in the Hamptons during which sources say he and others “hammered” Kirk for the conservative leader’s growing criticism of Israeli influence in Washington. Kirk came away fretting about Israeli “blackmail,” sources say, as he contemplated a Catholic conversion.

On September 11, one day after the assassination of Charlie Kirk, billionaire pro-Israel moneyman Bill Ackman took to Twitter/X to trumpet his relationship with the late conservative operative. “I feel incredibly privileged to have spent a day and shared a meal with @charliekirk11 this summer. He was a giant of a man.”

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Bill Ackman @ BillAckman
I feel incredibly privileged to have spent a day and shared a meal with @charliekirk11 this summer. He was a giant of a man.
12:41 AM Sep 11, 2025

The Grayzone has spoken to five people with intimate knowledge of Kirk’s meeting with Ackman, which was held in early August. According to one source, Kirk was left upset after the gathering turned into an “intervention” where he was “hammered” for his increasingly skeptical views on the US special relationship with Israel, and for platforming prominent conservative critics of Israel at his TPUSA events.

Since publishing this report, The Grayzone has learned from one attendee of the Hamptons event that Ackman convened the influencers under the auspices of a discussion about Zohran Mamdani and the supposed threat he posed to the West if elected mayor of New York. But the meeting went off the rails when Ackman personally confronted Kirk about his views on Israel. The public face of UK Lawyers for Israel, Natasha Hausdorff, joined in the argument, and began “screaming” at Kirk, according to the attendee.

When his hosts presented him with a detailed list of every offense he supposedly committed against Israel, Kirk was “horrified,” said one person. Ackman also allegedly demanded Kirk rescind his invitation for Tucker Carlson to speak at his upcoming America Fest 2025 in December.

“The whole thing was a disaster,” said an attendee.

The Grayzone reported on September 12, citing a longtime associate of Kirk, that Netanyahu had offered to organize a massive infusion of pro-Israel money into TPUSA, and that Kirk refused. Another longtime friend of Kirk has told The Grayzone that the conservative activist also rejected an offer Netanyahu delivered two weeks before his death to meet with him in Jerusalem.

Kirk, according to one person with inside knowledge of the meeting with Ackman, said he left feeling as though he’d been subjected to “blackmail.”

In a series of text messages with The Grayzone, Ackman described these account of his meeting with Kirk as “totally false.” He pledged to release a public statement providing his own account of the event, but refused The Grayzone’s request for clarification or further details. He would not accept phone calls from this reporter.

“I think I can easily put this to bed,” Ackman promised, “I have receipts as they say.” He did not abide when asked to provide the so-called “receipts.”

In an apparent bid to reinforce the pro-Israel tone at the Hamptons meeting, Ackman hosted a coterie of pro-Israel operatives and conservative influencers at the off-the-record engagement. One was Instagram influencer Xaviaer DuRousseau of Prager U.

Reached by phone by The Grayzone, DuRousseau sounded flustered when asked about his presence at the meeting. He repeatedly demanded to know how this reporter obtained his number, and eventually hung up, refusing to answer questions about the event.

Several Instagram posts by DuRousseau show him and his friend, conservative influencer Emily Wilson, in the Hamptons on August 8 outside Topping Rose House, a posh hotel and restaurant in Bridgehampton, New York.

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Two weeks after the meeting, DeRousseau was reportedly junketed on an all-expenses-paid trip by the Israeli government to visit a Gaza Humanitarian Foundation “aid” hub guarded by the IDF on the Gaza frontier. There, he recorded an Instagram video denying that the population of the besieged Gaza Strip was experiencing a famine.

The Grayzone received a similarly agitated response from Wilson, known online as Emily Saves America. Following a phone call and exchange of text messages in which this reporter asked her numerous times about her attendance of the meeting in the Hamptons, Wilson refused to comment. Instagram photos place her in the Hamptons at the same time as DuRousseau.

CJ Pearson, a leading youth coordinator for the Republican National Committee, immediately referred The Grayzone to his communications director when asked if he attended the Hamptons gathering.

The strong-arm tactics of the pro-Israel billionaires who helped fuel the growth of TPUSA were said to have contributed to Kirk’s alienation with evangelical Christianity, which emphasizes uncritical support for Israel as a bedrock principle. Several sources with access to Kirk said he had begun attending Catholic mass with his wife, Erika, and was considering a conversion before his death.

Bree Solsdadt, a Catholic Twitter/X influencer, has publicly corroborated this account of Kirk’s religious realignment. Kirk’s friend, the podcaster and former TPUSA personality Candace Owens, also alluded to the shift when she reflected that he was undergoing a “spiritual transformation” before his death.

Israel-centric influencer summit in the Hamptons

The Grayzone has obtained a partial list of attendees alleged to have been in attendance at the Bridgehampton meeting convened by Ackman this August. They include:

Seth Dillon – Dillion is the CEO of Babylon Bee, the conservative answer to the liberal The Onion satire outlet. Dillon and his crew have derisively mocked famine-stricken Palestinians and their supporters in the West, since Israel’s slash-and-burn campaign began in the besieged Gaza Strip. An evangelical Christian with Jewish heritage, he has claimed, “I did not cease having Ashkenazi blood when I put my faith in Jesus Christ (also a Jew).” Dillon did not answer calls from The Grayzone.

Xaviaer DuRousseau – DuRousseau is employed by Prager U, the premier right-wing “edu-tainment” hub targeting the minds of American youth. His boss, Marissa Streit, is a veteran of the Israeli army’s Unit 8200 cyber-spying division. A Black self-described former progressive, DuRousseau now appears firmly in the pocket of right-wing Zionist forces. During his Israeli government-funded visit to a Gaza Humanitarian Foundation “aid” hub inside Gaza, DuRousseau falsely claimed the United Nations and Hamas were to blame for the hunger sweeping the local population. “If I were Israel, I wouldn’t even provide matching socks to Gaza, but here’s all the aid that y’all claim doesn’t exist,” he said in an Instagram video filmed in front of boxes of aid blocked from entering Gaza. “Instead of Hamas distributing the ramen noodles,” DuRousseau continued, “their leaders are eating it all and that’s why they’re on Ozempic.”

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xaviaer and prageru original audio
Go to Gaza? BET ... WALK WITH ME.

DuRousseau vigorously defended his close friend, podcaster Emily Wilson, after she stated that “if everyone in the state [of Alabama]” wanted the return of chattel slavery, “go ahead, why do I give a shit?”

Emily Wilson aka Emily Saves America – Wilson is a Los Angeles-based self-described libertarian podcaster and social media influencer with over 500,000 followers on Instagram. On September 9, she recalled on Twitter/X how “a HUGE black guy” robbed her when she was 13. “I hate to say it but things like that just change the way you see certain people. After that I always thought, ‘oh, you guys just hate me,’” she reflected. This month, she and DuRousseau recorded a podcast in which they framed pro-Palestine activist Greta Thunberg’s hairstyle as evidence of her being “slow and short bus.”

“I don’t hang out with anyone really less attractive than me,” Wilson stated in a separate appearance.

Arynne Wexler – A former Goldman Sachs trader seeking cachet in the world of online influencers, Wexler is a vociferously Zionist, self-described “non-lib girl in a crazylib world.” In an interview with pro-Israel podcaster Dave Rubin, Wexler argued that “we need to bring bullying back” to enforce social norms, crack down on conspiracy theories, and stop the rise of antisemitism. Wexler has praised Ackman’s pro-Israel activism on multiple occasions. She did not answer calls from The Grayzone.

Natasha Hausdorff – The legal director of Zionist advocacy group UK Lawyers for Israel, Hausdorff is arguably the best-known figure associated with the organization. She was described in one headline by Israel’s most widely-read newspaper, the Adelson-owned Israel Hayom, as “the British attorney who fights Israel’s wars.”

Nate Friedman – Friedman is a young ultra-Zionist influencer best known for New York City man-on-the-street confrontations with Palestine solidarity activists, whom he’s accused of being paid protesters.

Ory Rinat – Rinat was the former Special Media Advisor to Jared Kushner, the Trump son-in-law and advisor, before moving on to serve as White House chief digital officer during Trump’s first term. A Jewish pro-Israel operative said to have close ties Netanyahu’s government, Rinat now serves as CEO of Urban Legend, a PR firm which commands “an army of 700 social media influencers who command varying degrees of allegiance from audiences that collectively number in the tens of millions,” according to Wired.

CJ Pearson – The chair of the Republican National Committee’s Youth Advisory Council, Pearson appeared in photos in the Hamptons alongside Wilson and DeRousseau. The Grayzone is awaiting further information from Pearson’s communications director.

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CJ Pearson (left) with Emily Wilson, Xavaier DeRousseau, and an unknown person in the Hamptons

Bill Ackman’s war

As The Grayzone reported on September 12, Kirk was besieged with angry calls and messages from pro-Israel donors to his organization following TPUSA’s Student Action Summit this July in Tampa, Florida. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had also phoned him, according to a longtime friend of Kirk, and offered to orchestrate a massive infusion of pro-Israel money into his organization.

A longtime friend of Kirk told The Grayzone the mounting pressure had left him “angry” and “frightened.”

Kirk vented about the pro-Israel intimidation campaign in an August 6 discussion with Megyn Kelly, a former Fox News host who was also growing more critical of Israeli influence in Washington.

“It’s all of the sudden, ‘Oh, Charlie: he’s no longer with us.’ Wait a second—what does ‘with us’ mean, exactly? I’m an American, okay? I represent this country,” Kirk complained.

“The more that you guys privately and publicly call our character into question—which is not isolated, it would be one thing if it were just one text, or two texts; it is dozens of texts—then we start to say, ‘whoa, hold the boat here,’” Kirk continued. “To be fair, some really good Jewish friends say, ‘that’s not all of us’… But these are leaders here. These are stakeholders.”

He went on: “I have less ability… to criticize the Israeli government than actual Israelis do. And that’s really, really weird.”

Kirk delivered his comments around the same time as the tumultuous meeting in the Hamptons with Ackman and the crew of pro-Israel influencers.

A month earlier, Kirk had opened the stage at his TPUSA Student Action Summit for a cathartic outpouring of frustration and rage about Israel’s political hammerlock on the Trump administration. At the conference, speakers from Carlson and Kelly to the anti-Zionist Jewish comedian Dave Smith slammed Israel’s blood-soaked assault on the besieged Gaza Strip, branded Jeffrey Epstein as an Israeli intelligence asset, and openly taunted Zionist billionaires like Ackman for “getting away with scams” despite having “no actual skills.”

The mockery by Carlson was particularly galling for Ackman. One day after TPUSA’s conference, Ackman staged a 4,000 word Twitter/X meltdown defending his financial acumen, while insisting that he earned his vast fortune because, “I inherited good genes.”

In fact, the 59-year-old manager of the Pershing Square Capital hedge fund had presided over a precipitous decline in his own personal fortune through a series of bad bets. Between 2015 and 2018, amid a bull market, Ackman’s fund tallied embarrassingly negative returns that cost him an eye-popping $12 billion in losses. His “holy war” to short the multi-level marketing company Herbalife backfired, resulting in a devastating squeeze that cost him heavily. Ackman’s financial mishaps forced him to slash one fifth of his staff in 2018.

The billionaire also took issue with Carlson’s contention that he had been part of convicted sex offender and late Zionist financier Jeffrey Epstein’s “constellation of people.” Yet Carlson’s remarks were grounded in fact. Indeed, Ackman’s wife, the celebrity Israeli designer Neri Oxman, had gifted an artistic orb to Epstein after he plowed $125,000 in donations into her Media Lab at MIT. She was invited to lunch with Epstein on several occasions, according to the Boston Globe, and complied with MIT’s requirement to keep her gift to Epstein confidential.

Ackman has significantly elevated his public profile by leading fellow Zionist billionaires in a ruthless crackdown on post-October 7 Palestine solidarity activism in the US. By leveraging his fortune, Ackman helped dislodge the political scientist Claudine Gay as president of Harvard University, his alma mater, accusing her of adopting an insufficiently draconian policy toward students protesting Israel’s assault on Gaza.

After weeks of pummeling from Ackman, GOP members of Congress, and pro-Israel media, Gay finally quit when conservative activists produced evidence that she had plagiarized in her academic writing. While Ackman claimed victory, he howled with indignation when Business Insider returned the favor with a detailed article which documented multiple cases of plagiarism by his own wife, the designer Oxman. According to the outlet, Oxman “stole sentences and whole paragraphs from Wikipedia, other scholars and technical documents in her academic writing.”

Ackman responded by announcing that he would fund a plagiarism review of every MIT faculty member. He also delivered a 77-page lawsuit threat to Axel Springer, the publisher of Business Insider, accusing them of publishing claims “designed to cause her harm, principally because the reporters do not like me, my support for Israel, and my advocacy.” He quickly dropped the lawsuit, however, claiming he did so because Springer is “an important advocate against antisemitism.”

In May 2024, the Washington Post revealed Ackman as a leading member of a Whatsapp group of 50 ultra-wealthy Zionists coordinating counterinsurgency-style actions against student anti-genocide protesters at Columbia University.

According to the report, the millionaire cabal sought to buy off Black celebrities as propaganda puppets and dangled bribes before New York City Mayor Eric Adams to deploy the NYPD against student protesters. “Some members also offered to pay for private investigators to assist New York police in handling the protests, the chat log shows — an offer a member of the group reported in the chat that Adams accepted,” the Post reported.

This June 14, as Israel reeled at the Iranian response to its unprovoked assault days earlier, Ackman launched his next campaign: “@Israel needs our help to destroy Iran’s nuclear threat to the world…” the hedge funder declared on Twitter. “Israel does not have the equipment and armaments to complete the job. We do, and it does not require boots on the ground.”

Multiple sources, including a Trump administration official, have revealed to The Grayzone that Kirk personally visited Trump inside the White House to lobby him against attacking Iran. Trump “roared” at Kirk, one said, and shut down the conversation.

A month later, Kirk allowed the simmering rage within the conservative grassroots over Israel’s stranglehold on Washington to pour out at his TPUSA summit. Soon after, he was summoned to the Hamptons for a face-to-face with one of Netanyahu’s most influential allies in the US. Before Ackman and a cast of avaricious young influencers under Israel’s sway, he defied the billionaire power broker, then returned home to prepare for what would be his final speaking tour.

Following Kirk’s killing, Ackman ponied up a $1 million payout for anyone who provided information leading the capture of the shooter. That money may wind up with the father of the suspect, Tyler Robinson, who reportedly turned him in.

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Who Ordered The Hit On Charlie Kirk? | Candace Ep 237
by Candace Owens
Streamed live on Sep 17, 2025

Governor Cox says we have brought "closure to this very dark chapter in our nation's history", but it does not feel like we have closure. Questions remain about the timeline and things are not adding up.



Transcript

All right, you guys. Let's actually start today's episode with a game. I mean, the feds like to play games. Let's play a game. And this is one that everybody can join in on,
okay? It doesn't matter how old or young you are. I want you to grab your cell phone and I
want you to go to your text messages and search for certain terms, okay, that you just use when
you speak to your friends. terms that were just casually tossed into a a conversation,
the alleged conversation held between the 22year-old alleged killer of Charlie Kirk,
Tyler Robinson, and his 22year-old boyfriend, Lance Twigs. Okay. The first term I want you to
search is retrieve. Yeah. Look it up. When is the last time that you used the word retrieve
between you and a friend? Retrieve. I'm going to retrieve something. I played this game with
with my entire staff and um I was able to find since dating back for the last three years two
messages where someone used that term. The first person was somebody that was former military and
the second person was a cop. Makes sense. Okay, we're not done playing this game. Second term
that I want you to look for in your phone is vehicle. Vehicle. I mean, what pops up for you?
Is that something that you say? I'm just going to go outside to my vehicle. I left something in my vehicle. I'll be right back. I just I just parked I parked my vehicle outside. I don't remember
where I parked my vehicle. What's popping up for you? Oh, uh, probably literally nothing.
Maybe something related to the DMV. That's what came up for me. Things about the DMV. I think for
Skyler something came up for his car wash. Your vehicle is ready. Sounds pretty professional.
I don't know what to tell you guys though because um what they're telling us is that that is just
the way the 22 year olds are speaking these days. Apparently, they just shoot the breeze with one
another and they say vehicle and retrieve. And if you don't believe me, then good. You
shouldn't believe that. You shouldn't believe me when I say that. So, welcome back to Candace
Reviewing the timeline and text messages.
I love vehicles. Love fast vehicles. I'm a big vehicle person, said nobody ever. The
text messages that were released yesterday in the indictment of Tyler Robinson make perfect sense if
you don't think about them at all. Like literally, if you suspend all reason, all rationality,
then they can make perfect sense. That's the only way. You just have to stop thinking. You got to get to that point where you're like, are we still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? No. To be fair,
now we are more broadly considering how stupid the feds believe that we are. And the frankly
obnoxious messages that someone strung together must clearly be for either our or their own
entertainment. So, I want to hyperfocus on those. I want to actually hyperfocus on what exactly is
wrong with these text messages between Lance and Tyler. Now, first and foremost, the obvious thing,
there's no timestamps. Right away, major red flag. Very easy to say he sent the first message at this
time. It's a part of your investigation, right? Everybody is on edge globally wanting to know
what happened. And they just remove that. But don't worry you guys because like I told you, one of the things that me and Charlie always believed in was that we could work harder. And
I got to tell you, these devils are working pretty hard, but we can work harder than them. Okay? And
I decided to go back and on the basis of what Tyler Robinson allegedly write to his lover,
I decided I could work them into the timeline. I could work out an approximate timeline at least
for us to look at visually for when they had to have been sense sent on the basis of what
he's saying, right? Because he says certain things that were not revealed to the public at a certain time. So, we're going to do that. I also want to point out the fact that the language,
which many people said online, somebody actually left a very funny comment. It's like borderline poetic. He's got commas in there. It's like perfect English. And that's actually a striking
contrast compared to what's inscribed on the casings, right? He goes through all of these memes
that he's written and I'm not hip to the lingo. Okay, you got to be real deep internet and hip,
but for whatever reason, when he's writing these messages, he's very proper, extremely proper, right? What really wants to make sure he gets the punctuation correct. Anyways,
uh let's just dive right back into the timeline. Let's dive right back into this this conversation
and we're at first going to focus on the third message. Um, and don't forget just to lead up
into this. They are telling us that at no time that we're allowed to know on September 10th after
Charlie Kirk was shot, the roommate, that's Lance, received a text message from Robinson which said,
"Drop what you are doing. Look under my keyboard." And so Lance, I don't know what he does all day,
but he's he can do that. He knows he's home. And Lance then runs, I'm saying he ran Francis,
who knows, and looks and he sees this note. And to be clear, we're never going to be able to see
that note because the feds have since told us that the note was destroyed. But even though he destroyed the note, he took a picture of it. Yeah, that makes sense because if you're going
to destroy something, the best thing to do is to take a picture of it. The Fed saw the picture, but
we're not going to be able to see either anyways. Don't think about it if you want it to make sense.
Then we find out that Lance, I guess, decided to take a picture and then text uh Tyler back. And
here is where he asks him. Lance says, "Tyler, what? You're joking, right?" Cuz you know,
the note said, "I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it." So Lance
is like, "What? You're joking." And Robinson says to him, Tyler says,"I still okay, my love, but I
am stuck in Orum, that's the town, okay, that UVU is at, for a little while longer yet." So poetic.
A little while longer yet. I'm going to look that up on my phone later. It shouldn't be long until I can come home, but I got to grab my rifle still. To be honest, I had hoped to keep this secret till
I died of old age. I'm sorry to involve you. Now, I want to jump to this next message because it gives us a timeline. Heath says to him, I assume right away, Lance says, "You weren't the one who
did it, right?" And Robin says, Robinson says, "I am. I'm sorry." And the roommate says, "I thought
they caught the person." Okay. And Robinson responds, "No, they grabbed some crazy old dude,
then interrogated someone in similar clothing. I had planned to grab my rifle from my drop point
shortly after, but most of that side of town got locked down. It's quiet almost enough to get out,
but there's one vehicle lingering. Okay, so that lets us actually be able to drop that
into the timeline pretty simply. Uh why? Because we know, and we can pull up this timeline that
uh they had first thought it was George Zen. So that's who he's referencing, some crazy old dude. And on the timeline, Skyler, if you want to pull that up so we can go through it. What time Charlie
gets shot at? 12:23 p.m. Scroll down a bit. George Zinn, we learn about about 30 minutes
after that George Zinn, the decoy boy, that's when it's announced that he that there he's a suspect in custody by the Utah police. Uh but it's not until, by the way, 5:30 p.m. cuz he mentioned
that second suspect and he curiously says in that correspondence that he's wearing similar clothing,
which I find to be strange. We don't know what that sec second suspect is wearing until 5:30
p.m. the when Governor Cox 12 minutes into a press conference, the press conference began
at 5:30 p.m. mentions that the second suspect who is a person of interest is wearing all dark
clothing. So, the earliest that that message could have been sent out is after 5:30 p.m. I think it's
unlikely because I I think again this is all made up these messages because he says wearing similar
clothing. Okay, he tells us dark clothing. What's similar about that? This guy allegedly when he
did this was wearing black jeans. I was wearing um pardon me, dark jeans and a black shirt. So that's
like everyone on campus. Okay. Nobody in the press conference says uh we picked him up because he was
wearing something similar to the shooter. So that language right there is actually a mistake from the feds. But again, it allows us to be able to plot it into the timeline. So that's good. Okay,
timeline is back up here. And we then know Cash Patel tweets that the subject in custody has
been released. Our investigation continues. That was a mistake. The guy in the darker clothing, we don't know who that is. And then it's after, again, like I said, that these correspondences
then had had to take place. So, we're talking about late in the evening, right? Six hours on.
I'm wondering what it is that Tyler Robinson is doing throughout this entire time. Skyler,
you can keep this up cuz I want to keep scrolling. Okay. What he's doing throughout this entire time, because that's a very long time for him to be just around campus. But then, luckily, he's gonna let
us know what he's doing, right? he's going to jump right in here and he's telling us that he's close to the scene. We know in this conversation that he then says to uh T he then says to Lance that
he's looking to get that rifle, right? He says, "I'm wishing I had circled back and grabbed it as
soon as I got to my vehicle. I'm worried what my old man would do if I didn't bring it back." Oh,
I'm sorry. Let's actually go earlier. He then tells us his alibi, which is amazing, right? He's he's saying, "I'm lingering around there. I'm trying to get the vehicle." And then,
of course, as you always do when you're trying to clean up things, you then spell out your alibi,
right? He asks him, Lance asks him, "Why did you do this?" And Robinson says, "I had enough of his hatred. Some hate cannot be negotiated out. If I am able to grab my rifle on scene, like I'm trying
to clean up the scene, but also I'm telling you exactly what my motive is here." I will have left no evidence. I'm going to attempt to retrieve it again. Hopefully, they have moved on. I haven't
seen anything about them finding it. Okay, so we are now late in the evening. He's still hanging
around. The roommate then comes and says, "How long have you been planning this?" He says, "A bit over a week. I believe I can get close to it." Still trying to get close to that rifle. So,
I'm wondering if maybe the feds might drop us some footage, right? We should be able to see some footage. He's got to be idling in his car. You've been speaking about how he has this car. I'm
assuming he's not just uh sitting in the woods or sitting on a sidewalk. Everybody's this is this is
a a quote unquote manhunt. So where is he casually sitting lingering loitering? I don't know. But
that would be some pretty good footage that they could release if they don't want us all to become
a conspiracy theorist. Okay. He then says, "Yeah, I've been planning this for a bit over a week. I
can get really close to it, but there's a squad car that's parked right by it. That's the drop off spot. I think they already swept the spot, but I don't want to chance it." And then he tells he
tells Lance that um I'm wishing I had circled back and grabbed it as soon as I got to my vehicle. You
know, that's a vehicle. I'm worried what my old man would do if I didn't bring back grandpa's rifle. I went to exactly where I got this rifle from. Okay. I don't know. I don't even know if
that's if it had a serial number. Weird. Because he's been playing this for a week. He might have checked. Now all of a sudden he's getting in the details and is wondering if it had a serial
number. That seems a little strange to me. But it wouldn't trace to me. Of course, because you just told us in writing that it's your grandpa's. Definitely trying to cover your tracks. I worry
about Prince. I had to leave it in a bush where I changed outfits. Okay, we're going to get to that.
Focus on the changing outfits. That's a really important piece of this. And that is why I am now a confirmed conspiracy theorist on this. Okay, I I I I left it in the bush where where I changed
outfits. Okay, I didn't have the ability or the time to bring it with. I might have to abandon
it and hope that they don't find Prince. How the f will I explain losing it to my old man? Only thing
I left was the rifle wrapped in a towel. That's the only thing. Otherwise, it was a perfect job.
It was topofthe- line professional job. The only thing I left behind was the weapon with my prince
on it. Oh my gosh. Right. Like that's that's kind of amazing. Okay. Then he of course explains,
"Remember how I was engraving the bullets? The effing messages are mostly a big meme. I know I speak proper here, but it's just a meme that I was writing. I wrote notices bulge on Fox News,
I might have a stroke if they say that, right? If I if I see notice bulge on Fox News, I might have
a stroke." All right, I'm going to have to leave it. That really effing sucks. It's almost perfect.
Okay, so he then ends this message. This is all from the day. This is all we have from September
10th. Okay, judging from today, I'd say grandpa's gun. Want to make very make it very clear. This is
grandpa's gun. Okay, nobody should question this narrative because he has put it all here. I'd say grandpa's gun does just fine. I don't know. I think that was a $2,000 scope. Okay. So, that ends
that uh exchange. Now, I have a couple of notes here that I I I put here at the end of day one
as we worked in this correspondence, which all had to happen um let's call it 700 p.m. earliest. As I
say here, uh which I want to be clear, the campus is 4 hours, 3 to four hours away from where Tyler
and Lance live together. We have a map here to show you that. So, he's just loitering loitering
until, like I said, earliest. He's signifying around like 7 p.m. that he's still very close to campus. That's a long day. That's a real long day just waiting to see when you can go in there.
And there's a manhunt. And he's chill. He's chill because he's changed his outfit. How do we know he changed his outfit? Because he made it very clear that he changed he dropped the clothes, his
shooting clothes right there. He got changed. He he didn't have time to take the wip the rifle that
was in the um that he he put in the towel, but he did have time to change that. That totally makes
sense. And then for whatever reason, he he you know, he had to leave the rifle with the prints on it. Okay. What's interesting about that though is like you know we should recognize that curiously
what they've removed from this indictment again relevant to the clothes was the fact that and
the governor is going to say it that we are told that he at first enters campus on this day at 8:07
a.m. TMZ shows us the footage, remember, of the man wearing a maroon t-shirt and shorts. That's
how this day begins. That is walking through a neighborhood just outside of university grounds.
The Governor Cox has confirmed this is him not mentioning the indictment. That's curious. Seems very relevant. Surely like I mean you you guys should be mentioning that the outfit. What did
he do, by the way, from 8:07 a.m. when he walked onto campus to when he is then seen walking back
onto campus at 11:51? That's it's about 4 hours. Something else the feds could release to dispel
any conspiracy theories would be him walking back to his car. You're telling us he then goes back to
campus and he's in a different outfit. Can we get him leaving campus? We know the place is covered
with cameras. That would make me feel better if you showed us him leaving campus and then we see
him coming back in a different outfit. Again, not clear why he couldn't just wear the outfit he was going to wear since I would imagine you've got thousands and thousands of students that are
wearing something as casual as a black t-shirt and blue jeans. I don't understand a a need for
a change if you're in like, you know, a sniper outfit or if you're wearing like, I don't know, a Barney costume. You know, if you if you're showed up if you show up and you're wearing like a full
Halloween costume, then yeah, maybe you should change. But this is just an average college kid outfit. You know, this is just what you expect to see on campus. It's just what boys wear. Anyways,
like I said, those would be my points from day one. The the feds can release that. And also, I'm wondering where did Tyler spend the night? Can they clarify that where he couldn't he certainly
couldn't have made it out of a rent and back there and and back to his home? I'm coming home soon would have been the wee hours of the morning. This would have been a good time. By the way,
if you're really trying to get away with this, to tell your lover to delete the text messages,
he doesn't do that. He's not going to tell him to delete the text messages on this night. Presumably, he saw him. They didn't say he went home to his parents house. So,
what happened overnight? When did he get home? Uh he's been so thorough in describing that cleanup job. And by the way, we know that Discord is going to later say that those messages were
not coordinated on their server, which I would say was definitely a part of the broader plan. Okay,
let's get into September 11th because a lot happens here and you are going to really see what I see here and we need to demand answers. Okay. So, on September 11th, we are presented with the
first FBI press conference where they confirm that they have found a weapon in the woods. Let's take
a listen to a bit of that. This morning, I can tell you that we have recovered what we believe
is the weapon to be that was used in yesterday's shooting. It is a high-powered bolt-action rifle.
That rifle was rec was was recovered in a wooded area where the shooter had fled.
The FBI laboratory will be analyzing this weapon. Now, I wouldn't say this the shooter had fled just
based off of what he was just kind of lurking around ringing to go his get his weapon back. Okay. Like for a long time, but whatever. Let's go with that. Um, then what we have after that 7
am 7 a.m. press conference is that exclusively our guys, our resident guys over at the New York Post,
every exclusive ever, Jeffrey Epstein's death pictures. Uh, Galain Maxwell found at an In-N-Out,
it's always the New York Post. Okay. I view them as a fed feds. If like I if I'm the fed and I'm
trying to make this seem like this is organic, I wouldn't give it to the New York Post because we're in Utah and so cops are probably not leaking to a New York-based publication, but whatever.
They have the exclusive. They're the ones that reveal the photo. They always have the exclusive. Okay. And they show us the gun in the shooting. Uh their their article publishes at and by the way,
my timeline is all based in Mountain Time. So that says 11:21 a.m. Eastern. They publish at
9:21 a.m., two hours after that first pre press conference, and say exclusive. They they are the
ones that dropped the trans narrative. They say these things are found on the bullets. Okay. And
then just 7 minutes later, um the FBI, Salt Lake City, drops static images of the alleged shooter
walking up the stairs. Okay. So now we can see on our timeline that's that's around 10:00 a.m. in
the morning, Salt Lake City time, mountain time. So, we can then assume that everything else that's
about to happen that I'm going to tell you had to have happened, okay, between approximately 10:30
and 7:00 p.m. Okay, I have a source and everything the source has told me that has happened when we
were lied to publicly has proven to be correct. So, I am very inclined to believe this source on
a couple of other things. And when I speak also uh to Lantis's family, they are confirming what
this source is telling me. So, we're going to go through this 10:30 a.m. 2:7 p.m. all of the
things that then took place. So, they released the photo and then we are told, as my source initially
told me, that it was the mother who recognized Tyler and she phones him up. Tyler says, "Mom,
I'm sick." She doesn't believe it. She loops in dad. Okay. Dad then texts and he calls Tyler.
And at this point, we can jump back into day two of our messages because Robinson says, he says,
to Lance, delete this exchange. My dad wants photos of the rifle. He says, "Grandpa wants
to know who has what. The feds released a photo of the rifle and it is very unique. He's calling
me right now. I'm not answering." Okay. So, apparently he did answer the according to the
indictment. The dad says he didn't he didn't answer his text messages, but then the father called him and Tyler Robinson answered and he tells us that Tyler was suicidal and that that is
when they just told him like, you know, calm down. Let's speak to you. They bring over their neighbor sheriff friend and they agree that he should he should go in. Now, if he was in fact suicidal,
you don't get that vibe from these messages to his lover, right? There's nothing in here that he's like, I can't I can't believe what I've done now. He slept. We don't know where. Um he
seems to be perhaps on very little sleep. I would imagine he was. He just murdered someone. And he's not indicating in these messages that he's going through any sort of suicidal feelings. Instead,
he sends this very odd thing about his dad who he says he's not answering. He writes, "Since Trump
got into office, my dad has been pretty diehard MAGA." There's something here for everyone. If
you want to take the lowhanging fruit and think of this as left versus right, right? So if you're like, you know, on the right, you're like, I need to blame the left, then it's like, whoa, the trans
thing is here. But if you're on the left, but you need to bring blame the right, well, dad was a diehard MAGA. It's like, it's so fed, you know? It's just so federally written. It's amazing.
So chaos right here. Anyways, I guess maybe if you're suicidal, that's what you sent. Dad's been
pretty diehard MAGA. And then we don't know again when these messages took place, but it all had to
happen in these uh seven or eight hours. He says, "I'm going to turn myself in willingly. One of my
neighbors is here. He is deputy for the sheriff. You are all I worry about love." He I mean,
he seems impassioned here. He doesn't he doesn't seem suicidal. And then Lance comes back and says,
"I'm much more worried about you." And Robinson says, "Don't talk to the media. Please don't take any interviews or make any comments because the feds want to let you know why it is that we're not
talking to Lance. Right? They got to tell you he's cuz Tyler told him. Duh. If you're going, "Wow,
if Lance is really not guilty and he hasn't done anything, this would be a good time to to speak." Right? No, Lance is not doing that because Tyler right here says, "Don't talk to the media. Please
don't take any interviews or make any comments. And if any police ask you questions, ask for a
lawyer and stay silent. So that's how it happens. Uh, and I want to tell you that we can jump back
into the timeline here. Our source informs us that it was around 7:00 p.m. when everybody locally
began receiving the text messages that Tyler Robinson was in custody and that they were going
to pick him up in Warner Val Warner Valley. Now, Warner Valley is is right next to St. George. Um,
so he lives very close to his parents is what I I want you to recognize. You've got St. George, you've got Warner Valley. So, there they they said like that's where they went to go pick him up. Um,
that could very much be his uh parents' place. But what's really interesting about that, okay, if you
consider that they are telling us at 7 p.m. that this is when all the messages started circulating, then we don't know why the feds say that it was the 33rd hour after the shooting, like a total
Freemason number 33rd hour after the shoot. Third took us 33 hours. That would be inaccurate. Okay.
33 hours would be at 9:23 p.m. Our person is telling us, and I tend to believe them, that everyone knew at 7:00 p.m. Okay. And what they tell us took place thereafter? And this is
what I confirmed with Lance's family because I said, "Wait a second. You owned the house. When did they pick up Lance? When did Lance go in? When did the home that you own get raided by the feds?
Did the home that you own get raided by the feds?" and what that that family is telling me and what
uh my source is telling me, it's matching. Okay, so I'm I'm feeling good about this. We'll say
allegedly, but I'm feeling good about this. Okay, so Tyler uh is allegedly in custody and uh they
are told don't say don't don't speak, don't do anything. The feds, you have to wait for the feds
to get there to question Tyler. And that didn't happen until the wee hours of the morning. How
do we know? because we're going to hear that from Governor Cox uh the following morning. Anyways,
uh but apparently what happens is then they bring Lance in at 11 p.m.ish, we'll tell you
around 11:00 p.m. Lance Twigs is brought in for questioning. Okay. And shortly thereafter,
that apartment is raided. And I say overnight into the wee hours of the morning is when they
first raid Tyler Atlantis apartment. Now, why am I really stressing this out to you? I'm stressing
this point to you here because this would signal to you that it would be absolute BS if the feds
are going to tell us bright and early the next morning that the case is closed. They would know nothing. According to Lance's family, they see this is when they seized his electronics. They
say that he's deep on the internet web. Uh that there's definitely going to be something there. And yet they told us that quite oddly Lance gets released right back to his parents. Right.
Not right back. Lance just gets released to his parents while they're raiding his apartment. Why
would they release Lance? Wouldn't you think that you would be detained like for at least 24 hours,
right? If we're putting this at around 11:00 p.m.ish that they have brought him in and they are
questioning him and they are now moving to raid his part his apartment in the wee hours of the morning. Why would they very quickly release him and beyond that I'm going to let you know. Let's
jump into Friday on the timeline. Like I said, early hours Tyler and Lance have their apartment raided and the devices seized. Uh for whatever reason, the FBI quickly releases Lance. Um and I'm
told that he is dropped off at his parents' home allegedly. Allegedly. And then it's at 6:00 a.m. that President Trump announces with a high degree of certainty that they have the suspect. Okay. So,
are they still raiding his place? I don't know. But take a listen to Trump on Fox and Friends.
Any updates on the suspect? Yeah. Uh, can I always say uh I think just to protect us all
and so Fox doesn't get sued and we all don't get sued and everything else, but I think
uh with a high degree of certainty we have him. in custody, right? In custody. Uh, everyone did
a great job. We worked with the local police, the governor, everybody did a great job. Okay. And
here is what the governor is then two hours later is when his press conference began. Um, I'm going
to do the short clip, I guess. Okay. Let's play actually a little bit of the longer clip, Skyler. I'll tell you when to come out of it. It's a six- minutee long clip and you should go back and watch
it in its entirety. He's going to make it seem like, you know, Lance doesn't even exist. But let's just start. Let's start it off and listen to a minute of this and then I'll give the synopsis.
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. We got him. On the evening of September 11th, a family member of
Tyler Robinson reached out to a family friend who contacted the Washington County Sheriff's Office
with information that Robinson had confessed to them or implied that he had committed the
incident. This information was relayed to the Utah County Sheriff's Office and scene investigators
at Utah Valley University. This information was also conveyed to the FBI. Investigators reviewed
additional f video footage from UVU surveillance and identified Robinson arriving on UVU campus in
a gray Dodge Challenger at approximately 8:29 a.m. on September 10th in which he is observed on video
in a plain maroon t-shirt, light colored shorts, a black hat with a white logo, and light colored
shoes. When encountered in person by investigators in Washington County on September 12th,
in the early morning hours, Robinson was observed in consistent clothing with those surveillance
images. Okay, so that's actually a perfect place to stop right there. My source says he's lying. I
don't like Governor Cox. Vibes. Okay, vibes. I don't know. Can't explain it. I'm getting tons of people that are messaging me telling me he's corrupt, that he forced himself onto the ballot,
that he wasn't even supposed to be the governor. Allegedly. allegedly. Allegedly. I just don't
like him. Every time we find an inconsistency, I actually find him to be the mouthpiece of it. Okay. So, he is representing and my source says falsely that they picked up Tyler Robinson. And by
the way, it makes perfect sense that my source is saying that that's not accurate in the same outfit
that we just showed you, okay, of the maroon thing that happened at 8 o'clock. We don't know what he was doing for 4 hours on campus, but he's telling us that for 33 hours he decided that he was going
to keep the outfit on. Now, remember I told you that Tyler Robinson's classmate reached out and
they insisted that this was the an incredibly odd thing because he was very tidy. He was very clean and they said that's the first thing that they went that just sounds weird. He was a very
tidy dude. Now, I'm telling you that my source is saying he wasn't wearing that outfit when he
got picked up. He wasn't wearing that outfit uh when he was brought to the office. He was brought to the office. If I'm if I have this wrong, this would be a very easy thing. Okay, surely they're
going to have photos. They've got something for them to release. It's like, yeah, no, we totally got them. I want to be clear. If you are in the police station and you want to reach out and let
me know more, tips.com because I am I'm struck by this. this is what we should be hyperfocusing on.
He kind of wraps it up and says he was wearing the same outfit and that always sounded dumb to us.
Why would you not take a shower in 33 hours? Okay, that doesn't make any sense to anybody
whatsoever. And people are saying that fact is untrue. Okay. Now, um if that is untrue, let's
first show you how he wraps this up. We might show you uh a portion of what he said again because we wanted to compress his six minutee clip, but like listen to how he wraps up this conference
too because it's relevant. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. We got him. This is a a very sad
day for again for our country, a terrible day for the state of Utah, but I'm grateful that at this
moment we have an opportunity to bring closure to this very dark chapter in our nation's history.
closure. He says, "Closure. We got them." They already start and that he starts talking about
the messages. He starts filling in the blanks. He said he had it. He put it in a towel. We have messages. It's all over. We found it on Discord. Discord is going to say that's not true. So,
who made up these messages? When were these messages made up is the question. And if Discord's saying they don't exist, this signals to me that these messages were were just created,
right? And I'm further feeling that way because there's no timestamps. Again, I want to be proven
wrong. Okay. But I don't like this at all. And we got them. It's over and we can turn the page with
finality. Would you if you were an honest governor and you knew that only again is 4 hours earlier,
how long does it take to raid a home? I don't know. Is it quick? Is it like a 10-minute thing? It feels like it' be a long thing to grab a devices. If you knew that you had not even begun
going through those devices, how would you say that we can close this chapter? Why would you say
that we can close this chapter? would have said honestly and he does not. We raided his home and
we are looking for more information. We think that there's going to be a lot more information, but
we wanted to let you know that we at least have one person that we feel is definitely involved.
That's not what he says. He says it's over. It's done. Wrap it up. We're not going to even tell you about the fact that we just raided this place a couple of hours ago. And the person whose place
we raided, who was the one that the family says is super internet, we just kind of released. weren't interested in that. What are we to discern from all of this? I'll tell you I'll tell you my
take on this. I think the person in the maroon that's walking is different from the person that's
walking up the stairs. It's a gut thing. Okay. I don't know. No, but I know. Okay. I don't know.
No, but I know it makes sense in the timeline of George Zinn, the decoy boy, that we've got other
people that are doing different things. And it is they do not want us to prod the narrative about
the person in maroon. It doesn't make sense. They can't tell us. He said he planned this for weeks. So I'm I'm going to assume if you planned it for weeks that he didn't go to campus earlier because
he wanted to scope things out. He would have done that. He would have obviously been able to do that already because he's been planning this for a week. He knew where Charlie was was was speaking,
right? Make it make sense. It's very easy to debunk me. Very easy. You should have footage
of him in that Dodge Challenger just waiting and salivating. He kept checking. He said, "Oh, here
I am right here. Just waiting to get that rifle back. I'm waiting to get that rifle back. Where's
the footage? You were on a manhunt. Where is the footage?" Surely during a manhunt, you use drones.
I feel like we are tech capable enough that during a manhunt after a murderer of a college student
uh decides to take out Charlie Kirk who has been a friend of the feds, right? I think probably not
a good idea to be friends with these people, but whatever. He's been a friend of the feds. Surely this is a big issue. and to to put to rest any conspiracies. You're going to show
us that drone footage and we're going to see the Dodge Challenger just sitting there for hours and
hours and hours and we're maybe even going to be able to see cuz I'm sure at that point like
cops maybe set up some barricades or something to see he was going in and out and then he decides he's going to leave. Show us the footage. Like I said, every inch of that campus is covered. So,
we should be able to see he's wearing maroon and you're telling us that he went back to his car
and he changed. Show us him leaving campus before uh he returns back to campus around 11:30. Just
show us the footage. Okay? I'm demanding it. You know why? Because I need to be able to fit things into my timeline if that's okay with you. So I would discern that we are looking just vibe
again two different people would be my thing. Two different people one of those people is definitely
individuals is definitely being protected. Um and separately we can definitely make out that for
whatever reason Lance is being protected. There's no way you release that guy. Okay? There's no way you release that guy immediately. There's no way that you intentionally purge him out of these
messages. Okay? The excuse he's being cooperative doesn't work. you can be cooperative while you're still being detained at least 24 hours before you would say I felt good to clear him as a suspect
especially when you haven't even raided his home yet. They released him instantly and they said job done. So I would like more information about Lance Twigs. Okay. I already don't like that mom
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And I want to be very clear. I'm not saying his mom has anything to do with anything. But I am saying that I feel this kid for some reason, some unknown reason is being protected. And I'm not the
only one. His family feels that way. Okay? His family thinks it's odd. Like I said yesterday,
I spoke to them today. I spoke to them yesterday. They think it's odd that the feds moved on from him so quickly and that the feds were being dishonest and they felt about everything when
they first came out with information. So why are we all feeling that way? We absolutely need
to get to the bottom of it. Let's take a quick break. I'm going to show you some stuff. I mean, Tucker completely destroyed the BB Netanyahu narrative. Uh Megan Kelly, uh Dave Smith, I
mean everybody yesterday. The truth is coming out inevitably about uh Charlie's mindset. The only
reason we're discussing it obviously is because of BB Netanyahu coming out and lying. But uh some important things that he said.

What do Tucker & Megyn Kelly weigh in. you guys think about that? What I just said to you? I think these are two different people. And I'm further uh believing that because I think it's weird that they won't even release the footage
uh this grainy footage of the guy walking up the stairs. Why do we have one static image of that? Does that make any sense to you? Why why are why are they all static images? Release the video.
When I had first looked at this video and then they said it was I was like that doesn't look like the same person like ish. But like no. And that feels intentionally grainy. you could release
clearer footage. You know, you can release clearer footage. So, do it because we're not going to let
it go. I now believe there is a federal level of corruption and conspiracy involved in this
murder. Okay? From George Zinn to Lance uh Twigs, the unanswered questions where like what was he
doing at home? What does he do for a living? What what was Did they see each other that night? Why
are we doctoring their messages? Why can't I read Lance's messages? If he's being so forthcoming, why can't I read how he replied and at what time these messages were sent? Okay,
there are too many things that the feds can easily do to dissuade us. Okay, and they're not doing any
of it. They're just doing that thing. That thing which is like, are we still talking about it? No,
now they're actually doing the like, this is inappropriate. Charlie's funeral's coming up.
Stop yourselves. right now. Okay, stop. This is exactly No. Oh, you you're inapprop No, you know
what was inappropriate? Charlie Kirk getting shot. While we all had to watch that, we are
all suffering PTSD and the lack of answers that we are getting from the feds. That is the only thing here that is happening that is inappropriate. I want to be very clear. Actually, not the only
thing. BB Net and Yahoo trying to spin this into he's my good friend. I just invited him. Well,
Tucker Carlson completely shredded that narrative. I don't like that BB lied so quickly. Doesn't make
me comfortable. I don't like it. Okay. And he just went live yesterday. He also brought in
Megan Kelly and other people and he spoke about what Charlie was going through because he saw him
uh very shortly before his assassination. and he intimates to everybody what it was exactly
that was on Charlie Kirk's mind and what he was living through in that moment. Take a listen. I
was uh shocked and sickened by the reaction of the ghoulish and really repulsive reaction of
the prime minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu to Charlie's death. basically made it all about
him and all about his country immediately trying to take the energy, the sadness,
the grief that people felt over Charlie's murder and redirect it towards support for whatever
project he's involved in. And by the way, Benjamin Netanyahu is not the same as the nation of Israel at all. Uh BB is despised by many people uh in Israel and if you know people who live there, you
know that that's true. Um there are huge divisions within the Israeli government. I mean, there are certain parts of the the intel world uh in Israel that do not support some things that Benjamin
Netanyahu has done recently. So, it's not the same as attacking Israel, attacking BB. But I I don't think I've ever seen anything lower than his attempt to hijack Charlie's memory and use it for
his own political ends, particularly because what he said was completely untrue. Charlie didn't hate
Jews. He loved Jews. He had tons of friends who were Jews. He loved the state of Israel. He loved going there. He did not like BB Netanyahu. He said that to me many times and he said to people around
him many times. He felt that BB Netanyahu was a very destructive force. He was appalled by what
was happening in Gaza. He was above all resentful that he believed Netanyahu was using the United
States to prosecute his wars for the benefit of his country and that it was shameful and
embarrassing and bad for the United States. And he resented it. Didn't hate Netanyahu. He wasn't out there with a placard saying that, but he certainly expressed that to me and a lot of other people.
And there's no question that BB's defenders uh on the internet will call me a liar or a kook. Uh
but that's a fact. And enough text messages exist that I think it can probably be verified in pretty
short order. Not that it needs to be because that is true. Um shortly after that speech,
there was a very intense attack on Charlie and to some extent on me. Not that I really noticed, but on him. I have no donors. He had $100 million worth of donors and so because he was involved in
a different project from just yapping on the internet, which is what I do for a living. Um, he was dependent to a great extent on his dors. Of course, it's a nonprofit. And they went after him
and tormented him. Not all, of course, many were supportive. But, uh, the ones who were offended by my speech, and there was a a small, very intense group who were, tormented Charlie Kirk until the
day he died. two days before he died, he lost a $2 million donation because he had publicly pledged
to bring me to the next Turning Point conference in December. And he told me over the past couple
of months he was losing a lot of donations over that pledge. They put out a flyer basically saying that I was going to be at this event giving a speech. And so he would text me and say, "Man, I'm
really taking a lot of heat for this and people are really mad." The American Jewish Committee
called in a statement Charlie Kirk an anti-semite and quote dangerous. Charlie Kirk an anti-semite.
Yeah. Um he was not an anti-semite. He was the opposite and he was not dangerous. He was a great
lover of people and a purveyor of peace. He was the opposite and he was very stung by that. Those
of us who've been called names for a long time are a little bit harder to offend. Charlie was deeply offended by that and expressed some of those feelings on Megan Kelly show and in other places,
but that did not let up. The reason I'm telling the story is because he called me and then came to
see me at my house about this topic and uh I said to him every single time, look, it's, you know,
I've got my own way to communicate my views. This is actually not the most important issue to me. There lots of things I can talk about. I don't need to come to turning point. I can take a year
off, no problem. I hated seeing how much he was suffering, the hassle he was getting from people.
Uh, and I was being attacked too, by the way. It was a huge effort. Uh, I wasn't fully aware
of it actually because I don't go online that much, but there was a huge effort by people, some of whom I know and have helped and like Seth Dylan of the Babylon B, for example,
someone who had his own problems with free speech who was famously cancelled. Um, and I I like Seth
Dylan. I had him on a couple of times. I had dinner with him to show support. Seth Dylan was out there demanding that Charlie Kirk take me off the roster, pull me off stage because I had said
things that BB didn't like or that he didn't like or whatever. Shocking that someone whose whole
persona is wrapped up in the idea that we all get to speak and if you don't like it, make a more
compelling case. that that person and many others like him were advocating for me getting pulled off
the stage because they don't like what I'm saying. This is a trend and one that we should be really
concerned about. It's not just about Israel, by the way, at all. The trend is really simple.
People with power don't want to hear disagreement. They don't want to be challenged ever. That's why we have free speech to acknowledge that even those of us or people with less power
still have a right to talk because they're human beings. You don't own them. So time after time,
Charlie would call me or come to see me and let me know, wow, or show me text messages. These people are really mad that you're speaking. And I would always have the same thought like I feel pretty
moderate actually. I'm never been an Israel hater. Obviously I'm not an anti-semite. I just don't
want more wars and I don't want a foreign country humiliating my country and telling us what our
laws have to be. I mean, this seems like pretty basic America first stuff. And he would say, I totally agree with you, but they want you off the stage. And I would always say, no problem. And
he would say, no, it's important. It's a matter of principle. I want you to be there. Great.
By the way, I'm not accusing anyone of being involved in that murder. I'm not trying to mutter
darkly or imply anything. We don't there's a lot we don't know about who murdered Charlie and why.
But I I don't know and I'm not going to pretend that I do. But I think it's important to say that out loud because it's a fact and there are many liars out there trying BB Netanyahu number one
among them shamefully who are trying to distort the truth. A truth that I know and can prove.
What I want to add here is that it takes a truly demonic spirit, right,
to be a part of the people that were swarming, pressuring, threatening, intimidating Charlie
to then flip in one second after he dies and say, "Pretend it never happened." Like they were just
great friends. That's weird to me. It's very weird to me. We wouldn't be here if they didn't do that. They could have said anything, by the way. Josh Hammer, I know how you were messaging him. Like,
release the messages, buddy. Just release all of your threads with Charlie in the 48 hours leading
up to his death. Okay, let people see it. They did it at first regarding me last year. They insisted
and I said, "Charlie, I I couldn't even come up for air. I didn't even I said, Charlie, don't even think about I don't even care. Don't even fight your donors. Like, just let them think they won
because I got to rebuild my entire life. I was just publicly fired." You know what I mean? Like, this is not You're good. Like, you are so good. I couldn't even care about this less. Like, you're a
brother to me. Do what you have to do to survive. Okay. And then he just saw them moving into it. Wasn't just Candace. They wanted Tucker. You know, I like to talk to Tucker. Tucker shouldn't
be here. And then Charlie realized which way the wind was blowing because it's never enough. It's never enough with them. Okay. They want to be the authority on speech. And it is reality that
those very same people who were pressuring him and threatening him and intimidating him and calling
him an anti-semite and calling you telling he was hosting anti-mitism then became the fastest people
to try to eulogize him and to say look no further. He effectively died for BB Netany and Yahoo. It's
wrong and we have to stand up to that narrative. Matt Gates jumped into the jumped into the ring and and basically just doubled down on what Taro Tucker Carlson said. He tweeted this. I have
personal knowledge as to many of the claims Tucker is making here. They are 100% true. Yes, they were
behaving like demons. There's just no question. It's very weird when a demon then pretends that they weren't being demonic. You could be chill. You could you could have transformed it after
Charlie was assassinated. could have said, "Wow, my last correspondence with him was I was upset
about something and now I realize that life is so short and fragile and it's really not worth it to
to skirmish with one another. I really regret my last correspondence." And then I would have been like, "Okay, that was really authentic and re and and real." Instead, they were like, "We
had a wonderful time. I just shot that wasn't what love Charlie just loved him so much." Something is
weird about that. spiritually. It's evil. That's what it is. It's evil. And in case you needed any
more another person to tell you that he was being intimidated, um, and they were bullying him about who he could speak to, here is Megan Kelly. She joined Tucker Carlson. And she says this very
quickly. Take a listen. Charlie is not the only one who's been threatened or was threatened to
cut ties with you or not platform you. I, too, have gotten that, especially since you've been
more outspoken on Israel. And I couldn't care less the amount of pressure they put. I'm like,
what? What are you talking about? This is madness. Why would you want to silence such a powerful important voice just because you disagree with them on one subject? One on which we've all
watched you sincerely evolve as you grapple with principles you've been espousing for
years. Like America first, like what's happening to Christians, like what's best for us and our
kids here? What how do I keep them safe? That's my number one priority. And I've been just absolutely
disgusted and recoiled from people who have tried to pressure me on it. It of course never happened, but I know from speaking to Charlie, he felt it too. You've heard it from Charlie that he felt and
and there is a layer here of nefarious pressure to have certain narratives go only one way. Yes.
That must be called out and must be thought. Love that. Like Megan, that was amazing. Thank you.
I think all of us right now are just feeling we have to speak. Okay, so if you know something about what was going on, if you have something, send it all to me because I'm organizing. Okay,
I'm getting a lot of tips. Uh, by the way, many of you guys spoke about the individual who very
quickly, I think 4 minutes after Charlie was shot, went and took the camera down and moved his chair
and stood up and uh took the camera down like literally four or five minutes after he was shot.
want to let you know. I was able to figure out who that person was because I recognized one of the individuals and I reached out to that individual and I said, you know, I've known you for a long
time and I would like to see the footage that by I would like to see the footage and I think the
world would trust me if there's nothing weird that happened on that day and there's about four or
five cameras on that day. I'm not going to publish the footage, but I want to see it with my own two
eyes so I can stand on this platform. So I can sit here on this platform and I can say to the world,
no funny business happened. Truly, we can all go home. It was Tyler Robinson and he acted alone and
there was nobody else there. And this kid just, I guess, after having a life where he didn't bother
anybody, just woke up one day and chose violence and then decided to explain every layer of what
he had done that day via text messages. I want to be able to look people in the eye honestly and say that. So, I want to see all of this footage. So, I am working to get to the bottom of it. Okay? I
know there's a lot of conspiracy theories floating in about the security guard and people thinking he
was making gestures. I know that security person. He's a good guy. It would shock me. I usually get
a vibe about somebody. Not that guy. Not the guy that they say he's like rolling up. He tends to
do that. Roll up his sleeves. I don't I don't buy that one. Okay. Okay, I don't buy that one. And
um but here's the thing. That's my gut. My gut has has led me in the right way. But I want you
guys to know that once I look at all the footage from every angle, if if I'm putting in this formal
request and they said they would speak to the lawyers, I think the world will trust me to say there was no funny business. And this is exactly what happened. So, I've put in that request and
I want you guys um to know that. And I I mean business. I'm getting to the bottom of this. Lastly, I want to say to this like new flex operation mocking pastor regarding which, by the
On pastor Rob McCoy's statement.
way, the first time they went after Tucker Carlson and Canis Owens, a source told me, and I would love to get this confirmed. I'm going to find this out, that $150 million was spent on that,
and it came from BB Netany and Yahoo. I would like to figure out that's if that's true. But anyways,
um obviously investigating this and I'm not going to let it go, okay? You're not going to emotionally use some jiu-jitsu. And I'm referring here to Roy or Rob McCoy who says,
"I'm Charlie's pastor and here's the truth." Or whatever it is to look the other way right now, okay? You're not going to tell me that I have to feel too bad to investigate who shot my friend in
front of my face. So, stop the nonsense. This is what Charlie's pastor passed around to all of the
people that were intimidating Charlie leading up to his death. It's it's it's funny that Charlie's pastor couldn't find his voice when BBNet and Yahoo was lying about Charlie. There's pastor. You
know what he's saying is are lies. No, he didn't find his voice saying anything about B Netanyahu. Candace investigating things. Yeah, that's got to stop. Here's what he wrote. Okay. What's his name?
Rob McCoy. He wrote, "Charlie Kirk was my friend and I was his pastor. I want to simply say this regarding Candace Owens. Charlie Kirk was a friend to Candace and never publicly spoke poorly of her,
though he disagreed with her. He never operated nor entertained gossip or innuendo concerning Candace. My only comment I offer regarding Candace is this. I only wish at this tragic time
of mourning she would be the friend to Charlie Kirk that he was to her. He would never have treated Candace or her family in such a way had God forbid this tragedy been hers. A friend loves
at all times. And he drops a biblical proverb. Now, let me say this, okay? I hope that Charlie
would have been the sort of friend that I'm being. Okay? He would have never Why Why wouldn't Charlie Kirk have investigated if I had been killed and we were being so obviously lied to? I think you're
wrong. I think you're wrong. I think Charlie was a real friend and he would not have dropped it. He would not have let it go. Least of all because he was being emotionally manipulated by a guy
who curiously kept his mouth shut when BB lied. You knew if you were really his close friend and
pastor how he was feeling about BB Netanyahu. You knew if you're his close friend and pastor exactly
the names of everybody who was intimidating him and how poorly they are misrepresenting the things that he believed. So, why don't you focus on being more honest as a pastor and giving as
much information as you can possibly provide so that we can continue this investigation? If you can't do this, I'm going to have to ask for your silence. Okay? Be quiet. I mean that
nobody is going to stop me from investigating what happened to Charlie Kirk because it feels to me,
okay, that this is a conspiracy, a federal level conspiracy, which means that there's going to be somebody else, maybe somebody close to Charlie that could be involved in this, right? And um
when I am satisfied that there is no conspiracy, I will communicate that. But at the moment, no,
I am feeling the exact opposite. I don't trust anybody. There's a lot more information that
I wish I could share, but I'm going to tell you guys it's going to get uglier. And these absolute demons are trying to justify saying you shouldn't investigate until the funeral,
until the state funeral, until, as I have heard, people are trying to buy their way. Okay, I've
given this much money. I want to say some remarks about Charlie Kirk. Okay, stop. Okay, just stop.
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Comments.
right, guys. What is on your mind? Tell me what's on all of your minds and also what you think about
this. I I feel like they're two separate people. It's just a vibe that I have right now. And uh like I said, the feds could easily prove that that's not true. You have the footage. You must
have the footage of him walking back to his car after he's in the maroon. Caitlyn writes, "Canis,
you're a force to be reckoned with. Thank God Charlie has you on his side. God bless Charlie Kirk and his family. God bless you, Candace Owens, and your family. God bless America. Keep Charlie's
legacy alive." I know that uh Charlie made it to heaven. And I think he's watching. I think he is
looking down knowing that like his wife said, evildoers evildoers have done some things and I
um I'm going to keep fighting until we learn the truth. I don't care who dislikes me. I literally I
already didn't care. Like I pieced out of politics a while ago because I I didn't have the thing that Charlie had the patience to deal with people that are backstabbers and liars and peer pressing you.
I was like literally I will burn it all down and rebuild. Okay, that's why they hate me. That's
exactly why they hate me because they don't have any ownership over me. They can't fire
me. That's it. The person that can fire me is my husband. And um I don't think he's going to fire me. I hope not. Gerlyn Padilla writes, "Uh, never surrender. Fight for Charlie and fight
for freedom. We will." Mia writes, "What do you do when a person has such high morals they will never do anything that you can use to blackmail them and they won't take your money to say lies?
Charlie Kirk couldn't be bought or blackmailed and that is why they took him out. That is u your
theory that you are presenting there Mia and I will say this uh it's like Tucker said to have so
many donors what I do know is the donors became very rotten at the end. He relied on his donors they were making threats uh some of them up until the very last minute were making threats against
him. Financial threats I'm referring to obviously some people are lying and saying that I said this donor tried to kill him or it was so ridiculous. Financial threats that's a threat. Okay, that is
a threat. Michelle E writes, "You and Charlie are both so inspiring and have taught me a lot. I think it's amazing what you are continuing to do for Charlie. God bless you and God bless Charlie.
Love and prayers from Scotland." Also, thank you guys. I see you defending me when people are lying and saying that I said stuff that I didn't say. You know, their new thing that went around is
today I woke up and like all of like Bill Aman's cronies were like, "Would you like to comment?" The New York Post would like I said literally New York Post, you guys are just feds and I'm
not I don't really feel like commenting. I don't care. the people are awake. We are awake. Okay, we see what is happening and you're not going to distract me. Write your stupid articles. Call me
whatever you need to call me. People are listening and they can hear the words that are coming out of my mouth. Okay, the entire world needs to wake up right now. And I believe that Charlie Kirk's
murder has provided us an opportunity to do so, to stop the left and right BS and to focus on the
people that actually hate us and rule over us at the same time. Scott writes, "What is your view on the questioner on trans violence?" the questioner on transviolence. Did you watch his
remorse video? I was not convinced. I believe he had gone to other Charlie Kirk events. Also, the
guy with long hair who cheered and said that he would explain later. It may all be a coincidence. It just seems too sloppy to be the MSAD guy is too crazy. I'm not sure who you are speaking about. Uh
but I will just say this overarching. I I haven't presented a theory as to who was involved. My theory is that we are not being told the truth and I think that there are multiple people that were
involved including George Zinn. That's my that's my overarching theory at the moment. George Zen
with this decoy thing that makes entirely no sense to me. Uh and it will make sense if there's more
people that are involved. So I believe that Tyler Robinson played a part. I don't know which part he
played. Curious Nat writes, "Pray this gets used wisely. Rest in peace, Charlie Kirk." Nat writes,
"They messed with the wrong best friend. You'd think that they would learn. Thank you, Candace, for changing my life 5 to 6 years ago. Christ is king. Indeed, Christ is king and Christ is truth.
And we are going to get to the truth. Wow. By the way, also that is a really huge donation. So,
thank you, Nat, for that. And also to other people that have gone on to our website and bought a hat
or a t-shirt. Uh that has been amazing to support us because that's it. That's who I am funded by.
That is the big, you know, they say I'm funded by Qatar and Saudi Arabia. I mean, they make up things every week. I'm literally funded by the people that are watching this right now. You guys,
when you buy gear, um, when you sign up, if you're a part of my book club, that's who funds me. It is the people. JJ Bullet writes, "If you declare with your mouth, Jesus is Lord and believe in your
heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Amen." Alan Pawson writes, Alan Pollson,
pardon, writes, "Thank God for you, Candace. I really am grateful for your shining a light on this federal corruption. I pray for justice for Charlie." I do. I I pray for it and I work every
day toward it. And like I said, there's nobody that has the capacity to get me to shut up about
this except for Erica Kirk and my husband. So, don't plead to his pastor. Don't plead to people
uh that work at Turning Point. Many of them who have been coming forward and saying something weird is going on and um I'm trying to figure out how to present that to the public. if you want to
make a plea, those are the only people that I will answer to. And I've got a feeling um that
you know, Erica Kirk has been, you could see the energy. Uh she's going to fight. She's going to
fight and she is going to fight on the good side because every woman would know what her husband's going through. So, I can't even imagine what it feels like uh experiencing this tragedy, having
to come to terms with this tragedy, and then on top of it, having people that are outwardly lying. It's it's just it's too much. it's too much. Uh so we are going to stay on it and I'm grateful to you
guys for being along this journey. The stuff that we have even been able to put together is in large part thanks to you guys that are reaching out. Uh we will stay on it and we'll see you tomorrow

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EXCLUSIVE! Another Photo Of Tyler Robinson | Candace Ep 238
Candace Owens
Started streaming 38 minutes ago

Bibi Netanyahu is AGAIN denying that he murdered Charlie Kirk. Is that normal? Bill Ackman sends his press hounds on me. And we have another exclusive photo of Tyler Robinson.





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Charlie Kirk Shooting Suspect Charged. Something Isn’t Right… | Candace Ep 236
Candace Owens
Streamed live on Sep 16, 2025

Charlie Kirk shooting suspect is charged and some questions remain.



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Start.
Well, it's going to be a heck of a Tuesday for us, guys. Where should we begin? I'll tell you
this. Something is not right. Something is not right. And I am going to need you, whoever it
is that's listening to this podcast right now, to wake up because I am telling you, this is not
a battle between left and right. We all thought that at some point. We believed that. You're my enemy. You're my enemy. It is not a battle between Russia, Ukraine. I don't care what your political
issue of the day is. What is happening right now in the world and what just happened to my friend
Charlie Kirk is a battle of sheer evil versus goodness. What do I have for you guys today?
Okay. Well, first and foremost, the indictment against Tyler Robinson was just released, and I have a lot of questions that I think need to be answered regarding his trans boyfriend,
Lance Twigs. Well, I just spoke to a family member who told me a lot about Lance Twigs because
the media is kind of presenting him as this do goodter. You might be interested to know that his
family has a different perspective. Also, Turning Point employees are contacting me, a lot of them,
okay? And I am not liking what I am hearing from them about things that took place leading up to
that Hampton's event, some changes uh at the organization in the months leading up to that
event and what had been happening more broadly at the company over the last year. Speaking of which,
Bill Aman, you may have have caught that he responded to me about the Hamptons with a lot of words to really say nothing at all. And I want to be clear, I am not done, okay?
I'm coming for everybody. Charlie Kirk's death is really just a beginning. So, welcome back.
[Music]
The George Zinn decoy update.
Let's start with some major updates regarding the Charlie Kirk case. First and foremost, what always
stood out to us about this shooting was Decoy Boy, right? We're all on social media. We all watch the
news. We have all, whether we wanted to or not, witnessed, thanks to social media and the news, a lot of shootings, a lot of shootings, whether it's gang related or otherwise. And I have to say,
I don't know if I'm the only one, never in my entire life have I seen a situation when
a shooting happens and then somebody completely unrelated to the shooting that just happened
jumps up and down and says that they did it and gets arrested for saying that they did it,
implying that they did it. Well, for whatever reason, George Zin, who is a 71-year-old man,
was moved to do that, right? Instantly, Charlie Kirk gets shot. Suddenly, the 71-y old man jumps up and creates what is obviously some sort of a distraction. Okay,
we have eyes. We can see that. That's not normal. He creates a distraction. So,
let's just take a look at this clip of him being arrested in the aftermath of the shooting.
Well, now it's about to get even stranger because since he's been arrested, he's now facing charges
of obstruction of justice because he didn't do it, right? Why would you do that? Why would you obstruct justice in this manner? And now in addition add addition to those charges, we learn
that he's been harboring images of child abuse. Okay. He has kitty porn. This is the headline. I
can't make this up. Man arrested for allegedly faking confession to Charlie Kirk's killing.
George Zinn, accused of obstructing justice, was also booked in connection with images on his cell
phone related to child abuse. Okay. So we learn from this article that after being arrested 70
the 71-year-old um man for this secondderee felony which is obstruction of justice. He was also when
he the police had approached him he was being weird about giving them his cell phone. Okay.
So they took him into custody. Um they treated him for a medical condition and then they start
asking this guy questions about you know what are you doing? Can we see your cell phone? and he's being really cy about giving over his cell phone. They're like, "Okay, we're trying
to get to the bottom of why you would stand up and scream, "Shoot me! Shoot me!" immediately following the aftermath of this murder. Okay. And what they discover is that when asked by
an officer, okay, after he like they figure out that like he's he's he's not being cooperative,
is that he has images he has images of kitty porn. There's no other way to say this of of related
to child abuse on his cell phone. Now, what does that tell you about this guy? Okay. What does that
tell you about George Zinn? What that signals to me about George Zinn is that I've I mean,
I've read a lot about Jeffrey Epstein. I've read a lot about blackmail operations. The people they
tend to go after are people who are into children. Full stop. Now, I'm not saying I I I obviously
he's just been charged here, so we I guess we have to say allegedly, but that's what's coming out now that they found images on his cell phone. So, this guy who is into this sort of thing.
We also figure out that in the past he has given interviews related to September 11th and al-Qaeda.
He is in Utah and he is obstructing justice and he also happens to have this totally disgusting
addiction of some description. Assuming it's an addiction and that's what he's harboring. He's harboring child abuse images on his phone. That's what I'm going to tell you. That's
my instinct immediately. I don't like this guy. That is suspect. Okay. Something to watch. Now,
The indictment is released.
in terms of this indictment, now that we can formally read the indictment, there's been a lot that's been said that I think a lot of the miscommunication is perhaps coming from Governor
Cox. I think he in of himself. I probably should look into Governor Cox. I'm not sure why he said
some things that are apparently untrue. Maybe he misspoke. I understand there's a lot of pressure
when it comes to this uh investigation. But, um I'm going to let's just take us through this
indictment. And I think it's important for us to go through it so that we can see the setup here of what took place on September 10th. Now, first they provide basically an overview in this indictment.
It's a probical co probable cause statement. They tell us that basically after 33 hours,
they really love saying 33 hours. I don't know why they keep signaling that to us. Um on September
11, 2025, when Tyler James Robinson surrendered to police at Washington County Sheriff's Office,
that was when it happened. Uh they found DNA consistent with Robinson on the rifle
trigger after shooting Mr. Kirk. Robinson hid the gun. They're going to get into that. Discarded
discarded the clothing that he was wearing when he fired the rifle and he told his lover/roommate to delete incriminating text messages and not to speak with police and also they will
be charging him count six because children were present at the time of the shooting. Okay. Now,
to get through this, we are told that the suspect after this this shooting took place that there was
a police officer who immediately looked upward and realized that he had heard the sign of a a rifle
uh knew that it was obviously coming from the rooftops. They then began crawling through the footage, began crawling through the footage to see what had happened. Uh they tell us that this
discovery led to an intensive review. Let me go actually back up to this paragraph. Police reviewed surveillance from the camera that was covering the roof and discovered that it recorded
an individual that was dressed in dark clothing who had crossed the railing from the public
walkway and dropped onto the roof at approximately 12:15 p.m. Now, just to very quickly, I'm going
to just tell you according to our timeline, uh, we know that Charlie gets shot at 12:23 p.m. So,
they're now telling us that he was on that roof since 12:15 p.m. So, he's set he's setting up that
shot. We can assume for about eight minutes. Okay. It goes on. Although the individual moved out of
the camera's view for a short time, the camera again captured the individual running across the roof and then low crawling to the area that the officer had recognized as where the suspected
sniper had dropped into a prone shooting position. After a short time, which matches the known time
of the shot, the individual arose and then ran across the roof to the northeast. So, nothing in
here implies that he had uh, you know, taken apart the shotgun. That I mean, that just seems to be
now removed from the narrative altogether. It goes on to read that this discovery led to an intensive
review of UVU surveillance recordings to attempt to track and identify the suspect. Surveillance
revealed the following. That at approximately 11:51 a.m., the suspect had entered campus from
the north. He is wearing a black shirt with an American flag. In its center, a dark baseball cap,
large sunglasses. Throughout the surveillance, the suspect keeps his head down and rarely raises his
head enough to get a clear image of his face. As he proceeds across the campus, he is seen walking
with an unusual gate. The suspect walks with very little bending in his right leg. consistent with
a rifle being hidden in his pants. This unusual gate continues until the suspect is seen crossing
the railing off the open walkway and onto the roof where he leaves the camera's view. Okay,
so the first thing I'm going to say is they've only sent us screenshots, right? We've only seen a picture of him coming up the staircase. It looked to me like both his legs were bending.
I don't see why they don't just release why don't they just release this fully so we can make sure
that this is the same person that we see walking across with a limp right that footage which was provided by TMZ. Also, you will notice that nowhere in this indictment as we go on are they
going to mention which Governor Cox spoke about like first he came in a different outfit. Remember
Governor Cox said he was wearing the light shorts and maroon shirt. The implication here being that
maybe he he came to come scout scout things to check things out. At first this is him,
but then he comes back in the black outfit. This is missing from the indictment. And I'm wondering why. What is the explanation for that? That would be a part of it if you were scouting the shooting.
Now they're just like, let's jump into the guy that is wearing black and we're not going to give you footage. We're going to tell you that this is him and you can assume that he slowly walked
up this staircase and was obscuring his face from view. Okay. Then it tells us that a camera
later captures the suspect as he runs across the roof. Uh he gets into the shooting position and
then immediately after the shot was fired, we know that he runs across carrying an item whose
shape is consistent with a rifle. The suspect is then seen climbing down the roof. He appears to
drop the item that he was carrying as he hits the ground in a controlled fall. He then picks up the
item and runs toward the northeast end of the campus. It tells us that's how they then expand
their crime scene investigation. They followed his escape path to the northeast end of the campus where they believe the suspect left campus and entered a wooded area. In that wooded area,
investigators found a boltaction rifle wrapped in a towel. So again, there was no disassembly.
Uh it's wrapped in a towel, presumably that's how he covered it while he was running. The rifle contained one spent round and three unspent rounds. This is consistent with the facts officers
observed at the time of and immediately after the shooting. There were no shell casings that
were found on the roof, suggesting a bolt action rather than an autoloading weapon,
and only a single round was fired. Okay. Then they tell us what was actually inscribed and these are
essentially memes. Hey fascist catch says one on one cartridge you've got notices bulge. Uh what's
this on another cartridge? Oh Bella cow. Bella chow. Bella chow chow chow on a third cartridge.
And on the fourth cartridge it reads if you read this you are gay. Lmo. Okay. They detailed that
the rifle, the ammunition rounds, and the towel were then sent for forensic processing and that
the the DNA was consistent with Robinson that was found on the trigger and other parts of the rifle.
Uh the fired cartridge casing and two of the three un unfired cartridges and the towel. Okay. They
were able to immediately locate the shooter. Um they were unable, pardon me, to immediately locate the shooter. So that's when they published the photos of the shooter from their surveillance and
they asked for the public's help. Now we're going to get a little bit more of a narrative change. Right. They tell us that as they continued their investigation on September 11th, uh Tyler James
Robinson then walked into the Washington County Sheriff's Office and he is accompanied by his
parents and a family friend to turn himself in. Okay. Now again, he didn't confess yet, but he's
here to turn himself in. Robinson's mother stated the following to police that on September 11th,
the day after the shooting. She saw the photo of the shooter in the news and thought that the shooter looked like her son. She then called her son and asked him where he was. He said he was
at home sick and that he had also been homesick on yesterday, September 10th, when the shooting
occurred. Robinson's mother expressed concern to her husband that the suspected shooter looked
like Robinson. So, she's calling her husband and she's going, "Hey, this kind of looks like our son." And then his father agrees that that looks like their son. So, Robinson's mother explained
uh off to the officers that over the last year or so, Robinson had become increasingly more political. He had started to lean more left. He was becoming more pro-gay and more trans
rightoriented. That Robinson began to date his roommate, which is a biological male who was
transition transitioning genders. We're going to get to him in a second. This resulted in several discussions with family members, but especially between Robinson and his father who have very
difficult different pardon me, political views. In one conversation before the shooting, Robinson
mentioned that Charlie Kirk would be holding this event at UVU, which Robinson said was a
stupid venue for the event. Robinson accused Kirk of spreading hate. Robinson's father reported that
when his wife showed him that surveillance image of a suspected shooter in the news, he agreed that it looked like their son. He also believed that the rifle that the police had suspected the
shooter had used matched a rifle that was given to his son as a gift. And as a result, he then
contacts his son and asks him to send a photo of the rifle that was gifted to him. Robinson did
not respond to that. However, Robinson's father spoke on the phone with Tyler at that moment,
and Tyler implied that he planned to take his own life. Now, his parents were then able to convince
him to to meet at their home, not to do that. And as they discussed the situation, Robinson implied
implied is the word they use here, that he was the shooter and stated that he could not go to
jail and that he just wanted to end things. When asked why he did it, Robinson explained that there
was too much evil and that this guy, Charlie Kirk, spreads too much hate. They talked about Robinson
uh turning himself in and they convinced Robinson to speak with a family friend who happens to be a
retired deputy sheriff. And at Robinson's father's request, the family friend met with Robinson and
his parents and they convinced Robinson to turn himself in. Okay. Again, he did not confess,
but he turned himself in. Um and they then detail that they tell him, "Hey, look,
also bring in any clothes that you used because um you don't want the police to then have to search
the property of your parents. So anything that you use, you need to bring over." Uh okay, that
doesn't exactly make sense cuz Robinson is living with his trans boyfriend, but that is apparently
Robinson replies that at that moment that he had disposed of clothes in different area. So they're
looking into that. Okay, now we're getting to the roommate portion, which is very interesting to me,
and I will tell you why. It's interesting to me because I obviously have had a lot of tips. I've had a lot of conversations with people that knew both of these individuals. When I say both, I'm
referring to Tyler Robinson who is being indicted, um, but also his boyfriend who has not been
indicted. And the conversation that I am having is that Tyler's classmates and the neighborhood
are very shocked that Tyler would be first and foremost involved in this at all. So right away
they told me, "No way. This guy is wearing the same outfit from 33 hours ago because he was very
tidy. He sort of kept to himself, but he worked with his hands and he was kind of a good person."
There were no signs here. like this seems to this appears uh to them to be like this is a very good
family and that there were certain narratives out there that didn't make sense to them like they could not compute them as it pertained to Tyler Robinson. Okay. And they're saying
there's no way if if like they're not saying he couldn't have been involved. I I very very much want to be clear. I believe that Tyler Robinson was involved on the basis of this evidence,
but rather that there's no way he could have acted alone. that this had to be a part of some wider
plot. Okay. And when I'm speaking to people that are close to this situation, what they are shocked
about is the fact that only Tyler could have been arrested because it's a different perspective when
it comes to Tyler's trans boyfriend. Okay, Tyler's trans boyfriend's name is Lance Twigs. And they
are very shocked. In fact, the people that are intimately involved in the situation are saying, "We thought he was definitely going to get charged because apparently, and again,
I'm going to say this, allegedly he had been arrested or taken in on the same day." Now,
the media narrative is that that guy was being really cooperative. He had nothing to do with anything. Okay, we're going to go through that. And again, I'm going to tell you what his family
is saying. I'm referring now to Lance Twigs. Let's get to what the indictment tells us about him.
Police interviewed Robinson's roommate, a biological male who was involved in a romantic
relationship with Robinson. The roommate told police that uh he had received messages from Tyler
Robinson about the shooting and he provided those messages to police. And then it goes on describing
those messages on September 10th, 2025. Oh, wait. They're not telling us the time. I don't like
that. I hope that's just you forgot. But I need to know exactly when you're saying these messages
were sent. Okay? Because I need to fit them into my timeline. Okay? Clearly on the basis of
what I'm about basis of what I am about to read, these messages had to have gone out after Charlie
Kirk was shot. If I'm using my context clues, my blues clues to put things together. But they're
not clear here. They just say on September 10th, 2025, no time given, the roommate received a text
message from Robinson which said, quote, "Drop what you are doing and look under my keyboard."
The roommate, Lance, then looks under his keyboard and he finds a note that states, quote,
I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it. The structure of that is
weird. I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it. Okay, that's just
structurally that's not proper English. Okay, it's either I have, okay, or I had past tense. Again,
not clear. Police found a photograph of this note and the following text a change then took place.
After reading that note, uh the roommate texts Tyler and he says, "What? You're joking, right?"
Robinson writes, "I'm still okay, my love, but I am stuck in a rem for a little while longer yet.
Shouldn't be long until I can come home, but I got to grab my rifle still." To be honest, I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age. I am sorry to involve you. The roommate replies,
"You weren't the one who did it, right?" Robinson replies, "I am. I'm sorry." The roommate replies,
"I thought they caught the person." Robinson replies, "No, they grabbed some crazy old dude
that interrogated someone in similar clothing. I had planned to grab my rifle from my drop point
shortly after, but most of that side of town got locked down. It's quiet, almost enough to get out,
but there's one vehicle still lingering." The roommate says, "Why?" Robinson says, "Why did I do it?" Roommate says, "Yeah." Robinson says, "I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't
be negotiated out. If I am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence. Going to
attempt to retrieve it again. Hopefully, they have moved on. I haven't seen anything about
them finding it. The roommate says, "How long have you been planning this?" Robinson says,
"A bit over a week, I believe. I can get close to it." Referring to the rifle, "But there is a squad
car parked right by it. I think they already swept that spot, but I don't I don't want to chance it." Robinson says, "I'm wishing I had circled back and grabbed it as soon as I got to my vehicle.
I'm worried what my old man would do if I didn't bring back Grandpa's rifle. I don't know if it had a serial number, but it wouldn't trace to me. I worry about Prince. I had to leave it in a bush
where I changed outfits. Didn't have the ability or time to bring it with. I might have to abandon
it. And hopefully they don't find Prince. How the f will I explain losing it to my old man?" Only
thing I left was the rifle wrapped in a towel. What? You're worried about explaining losing the
rifle to your father? Not worried that you left the rifle and therefore it's obviously going to
be found out like the only thing that you left was the right like the murder weapon. This is weird.
This is very This chain is weird to me. It's weird to me that we don't know what time. I don't know what he means. Where is he stuck here, guys? Do you have a clue here? I'm stuck in a REM for a
little while longer. It shouldn't be long until I can come home. Is that a typo? I should have asked you guys. Okay, that's the that's the town. Okay. Okay. That's the town. I'm stuck here for a little
while longer. It shouldn't be long until I can come home, but I got to grab my rifle still. So, is he is this happening during lockdown? He tells him to to check under and and to see. Oh,
check under quickly and see. And I took care of it. And he's where? And now he's giving him an
an accounting of exactly what's taken place. Which means if this is right after and they're still in
lockdown, he's what? Monitoring the situation cuz this is going to give us a timeline whether they
tell us when these messages happened or not. the fact that he already knows that they grabbed some
crazy old dude and that they also interrogated someone in similar clothing. We're going to
be able to go back and plot exactly when that happened or at least when the public was informed
because this is this this whole correspondence is very strange to me. It's very strange to me.
He then is even more explicit. Talk about trying to cover your tracks but then explicitly texting
everything to your lover. He says, "The only thing I left was the rifle wrapped in a towel. Remember
how I was engraving bullets? The effing messages are mostly a meme. If I see notices bulge on Fox
News, I might have a stroke." All right, I'm going to have to leave it. That really effing sucks.
Okay. So, if this is our guy, oh, we're not done. Let's finish. Finish. That really sucks. He's got
to leave it. And then he says, "Judging from today, I'd say grandpa's gun does just fine."
I think that was a $2,000 scope. And then he does a winky face. And then he tells him, "Delete this
exchange." And then Robinson says, "My dad wants photos of the rifle." He says, "Grandpa wants to
know who has what. The feds released a photo of the rifle and it is very unique. He's calling me
right now, not answering." So, his dad's calling him. Okay. Well, the dad, this is interesting. Is
this When is this text chain taking place? Okay. Because we just heard that, you know, the dad,
they figured it out the next day. They're making it sound like this all happened back toback. Is this happening over two days? Why not tell us this instantly so I can work it into my timeline? Okay.
Are these messages day one? And then what? They had no correspondence at all until he jumps right
back in and says, "My dad's calling me. Where were you when your dad called you? You guys live together. Why are you texting at all? Why didn't this kid immediately call?" If they're in lockdown
and he needs to go back and get his rifle, right? This kid could have, and I'm speaking about Lance, could have contacted immediately and said, "I'm I'm getting a confession right now." I
don't like that we are not being told the exact timestamp of these messages because, you know,
my timeline demands it. To close loop on how this enters, again, not knowing when this happened,
Robinson says, "My dad wants photos of the rifle." He says, "Grandpa wants to know who has what. The feds released a photo and it's very unique. He's calling me right now,
not answering. Robinson says, "Well, since Trump got into office, my dad has been pretty diehard
MAGA." Robinson says, "I'm going to turn myself in willingly. One of my neighbors is here. He is a deputy for the sheriff." Robinson says, "You are all I worry about,
love. I'm much more worried." The roommate says, Lance says, "I'm much more worried about you."
Robinson says, "Don't talk to the media. Please don't take any interviews or make any comments. If any police ask you questions, ask for a lawyer and stay silent. How you guys doing about that?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um Mark is going to jump jump on and say something. Go ahead, Mark. Yeah. He's a guy that's always in my ear. Not always. I just noticed that around some of these
exchanges there's ellipses above them. You're breaking up a little bit. What' you say around
some of these exchanges? There's ellipses above if you look really closely. Yeah. And it looks like
they're cherrypicking certain exchanges. So that my dad is super maggot just comes out of nowhere
because they picked it from a totally different part of the conversation. Yeah, these messages are clearly doctorred is what I would say. They're doctorred. Now they could decide why they're doing
that. Tyler's being, you know, forthcoming. We're protecting him in some capacity. I find that to
be unacceptable. Okay. Unacceptable. I want every single text message. I want timestamps. It's It
is conspicuous that you are not telling us when this was sent because it sounds like it's when
the campus is on lockdown and he's got to go back and he's got to clean up and then all of a sudden we're in the next day when his dad is getting clued in after the picture's been released.
They're not telling us that. Okay? And you have a right to be a little bit uncomfortable about
that because I'm a lot of bit uncomfortable about that. We need full answers. Further to that point,
Lance Twiggs family reaches out.
I find it I have found this strange from the beginning that for whatever reason, we're not
hearing too much about this Lance guy other than like he's been extremely cooperative. He's handed
over his messages. I'm not implying that Lance was involved. I am implying that it's weird that
we're not hearing more about him, right? You're telling me he lived with the guy. You're telling me us now that he's been texting with the guy about his plans. They're in love. Is nobody
interested in learning more about this character? Okay. So, Tyler's people are saying Tyler's a
good kid. People around Tyler, classmates are telling me he's a good kid. So, I go into our
tips box and it turns out that actually Lance Twig's family has tried to reach out to me over the weekend. Obviously, I was in a very agrieved state and I was not prepared to even accept that
Charlie Kirk was not on this earth. Okay? And I realize that they're saying to me like, you know,
we want to speak with you and there's more than one family member that has reached out because we trust you and we don't trust the media. Good. Good by me. They are, it sounds to me, a very
good family. They're absolutely horrified by what has happened and they are similarly perplexed by
there not being more out there about the person he was living with. Especially because what they told
me and I can tell you this exclusively is that the house that Tyler Robinson was living in with Lance
is owned by them. Tyler Robinson is paying rent to them. Okay. So they know Lance obviously and I'm
going to cushion this with allegedly allegedly allegedly it isn't allegedly that this is his
family members telling me these details but it is definitely you know allegedly what they say
until we can hear both sides. Okay, I'm going to pull this up because I took notes regarding Lance
because I want to know everything. Okay, Lance, um, they told us went to live with his relatives,
so no longer in the house with his mother and father. Again, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly,
his parents kicked him out junior year of high school because he was problematic. He just had
issues. And at that time when they kicked him out, that wasn't exactly what they are saying legal um, for them to have done that. But again, he went to live with relatives and he has issues. They they
say that he allegedly has a lot of issues uh with drinking that Christmas approximately three years
ago. Um he almost overdosed. He drank a bottle of vodka. Uh they are telling me that they were
there. They were president uh present for this and fear began to spread about whether or not even the
family would be able to take care of him because of issues that he was having. Okay. He graduates
high school and then essentially the extended family says, you know, we we can't keep you in
our home because of his behavior. Just this past Easter Sunday, they are telling me that he showed
up um on drugs and he was spouting out of his mouth about political stuff. And at this point,
they felt that he could not be around children, that they felt that he had become increasingly
more radical, increasingly more dangerous, and just sort of off the rails. They said that they
he they're unhappy that the media is presenting him in this like manner like he's just this kind
of like soft soft guy or like you know, a person that was just transitioning. There's like nothing problematic. There's no proddding. They don't buy the story. Okay. Lance's family is telling me that
they are not buying the current story and that they feel that more people are involved. First
and foremost, they say that a lot of information should be able to be discerned by his devices
because he was according to them deep web. Okay, this is the person that is deep on the internet.
They said that he was quite reclusive, that he was always on his devices, that he's always on the web, and that there should be more information that comes from there. Okay. He turned 22,
they told me back in August, and that he was, as I said, very into this dark web stuff. I asked
what he was doing for work, like how are they how are how are they even able to pay you guys rent? And they told me that he was doing some plumbing work with somebody else in the family.
They told us that Tyler and him had been living together for at least a year, that uh they had not
met Tyler despite the fact that Lance had wanted to foster that meeting, that they the two of them,
this couple, Tyler and Lance, were living in that town home that is owned by Lance's family and that
Tyler was paying rent to Lance and Lance then of course was forwarding that payment to them. Now,
I had asked them about another persistent rumor that is arriving in my inbox, which
people are saying who live in the neighborhood that they noticed some unusual traffic and the
this individual family member said to me, "Yep, we are hearing the exact same thing." Uh, that they would prod that narrative further, but there were some unusual traffic, a lot of cars that were seen
uh outside leading up to the shooting in the days before the shooting or the week before this shooting. I'll straighten out that timeline for you and get real specific because that's I I
will pin down when exactly this was happening. But leading up to the shooting that there were unusual uh unusual traffic in the driveway where Tyler Robinson and Lance lived, cars that were not
recognized in the neighborhood. They this was not a couple that hosted people. It wasn't like they were expecting them to have parties. And so other people are saying that that is something
that struck them as odd. There was unusual traffic out at this house in the weeks leading up to this shooting. And again, I will perfect that timeline of exactly why and I have gone out to people for
evidence of that. But there were apparently lots of different license plates and it therefore
um caused a little neighborhood, you know, kurluffle because other people were not able to
park their cars because there were so many people that were at this house. Unusual traffic. Again, we are proddding that narrative. We are taking a look at everybody because if I don't feel
good about what we're hearing, okay? And Lance Twig's family doesn't feel good about what we're
hearing. And we've got Decoy Boy who's apparently involved in some deep internet stuff. I would say
it's a fair way to describe it. Decoy Boy. Okay. George Zinn. There's more people involved. That's
what I'm going to say to you guys. There is very clearly more people involved. Okay,
this feels to me like a conspiracy. And am I emotionally invested in this? Yes. Somebody
said something to you're unstable. Yeah, you know what? You're right. I have been destabilized by
watching Charlie Kirk catch a bullet in his neck and then being gas lit and told nothing to see
here. We've got people all around him that are telling little lies. I don't like this. Okay,
this doesn't feel clean to me. I need timestamps. If you're going to be transparent, be transparent.
I'm not saying that you're being dishonest that you have these text messages. I am saying that
I need them in my timeline. Okay? And it's it's it is just weird that you're giving exact times
about certain things and then suddenly you're like, you know what, we don't need to be so exact anymore and we can just extrapolate what we need to tell the public a certain narrative. Okay? We
the public don't need a narrative. We need every single plausible detail. If we are ever going to
regain any trust in the authorities post Epstein world, okay, we're living in a post Epstein world.
It doesn't fly with us. That's not it you guys. I have um more to tell you. I am going to I guess at
first um let's get through some ads and I'm we're going to get into Bill Aman's I don't even know
how to describe it. It's just wandering excuse or wandering answer to our episode yesterday which
really didn't say anything. And I've got more people reaching out to us. People that were at the event, people are at Turning Point USA. We got some questions to ask and I'm going to ask
all of them because guess what? I don't take money from donors. So, you got a problem here.

Okay, so I want to be
Charlie's donor pressure.
very clear here. No one, and I mean absolutely no one, outside of my husband and Erica Kirk,
has the power to shut me up right now. That's it. Two people. If you got to make an appeal, you got to go to them. Okay, that's what I just said is meant to be a dig to the donors that are making
frantic calls trying to politic this situation under control because they know I'm telling the
truth. Okay. Frantic calls from Seth Dylan. Oh my god. The truth is that Charlie was under immense
pressure and he was face facing financial threats um over his shifting stance on Israel over who he
was hosting um over on from his podcast to people that were on stage at America Fest. Dave Smith,
Tucker Carlson. That is reality, my friends. Again, want those people to know your money means
nothing to me. I already said no to it. That's why I don't care to be in those circles. Make
me persona non gratada. I know what I did wrong. I looked you in your face and I said no to your
money. Okay, don't push me or I will name more names. What happens in the Hamptons is not going
to stay in the Hamptons. Okay, bring in our movie poster. I know what you did this summer. Okay,
you got to add Josh Hammer's face to that poster as well because suddenly everybody's talking. So,
let's buckle up for some more indisputable facts.

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Okay. People that were at this weekend suare
uh in which Aaron Wexler sent out some of the invitations to they're confirming that Charlie
was pressed. Now, this was a multi-day weekend, but they're they're all like, "Yeah, know at every
layer Charlie was facing pressure questions from Seth Dylan. There's no way around that truth
that they were not happy with his position, his modified position. Uh I have it on first person
account that on the first day of the retreat of which there were smaller meetings that took place
and then like you know the retreat itself, Charlie presented and he explained uh that he felt that
it was wrong that he couldn't publicly criticize Israel. He apparently used an example that if he
tweeted and again we're riffing here but something along the lines of Charlie said if I tweeted I
think that BB Netany and Yahoo should resign that he would then be unfairly attacked and Seth Dylan then allegedly he pipes up and goes back and forth with him quite aggressively saying like
yeah because that would be anti-semitic. I heard that after Charlie left Josh Hammer was upset.
Josh Hammer, I know for a fact was a part of the beehive that was swarming him uh about people that
he was having at his conferences. I know for a fact. So if you'd like to dispute that Josh Hammer and release your text messages and pretend that you were just what chill and supportive and
thumbs up, cool. I welcome you on this platform. Okay? You are allowed to literally sit next to me
and say that isn't reality. And here's how it all went down. when I was the greatest supporter and I never cared about who he had even though I got destroyed in debate by Dave Smith on his stage. I
was cool with that. I was I love free speech. It's amazing. Okay, I am offering you my platform to
do that. I'm not here I'm not in the business of smearing. Okay, I need answers and I don't like the fact that people are telling small lies and they're misrepresenting things. Okay. Now,
as I have said multiple times, what I am uncovering here is a response to what I feel was
a severe misrepresentation by BB um and his echo here in America, of which I would say Josh Hammer
and Seth are part of that echo. Okay. Uh I am in no way attacking that narrative and associating
it with the events that took place on um Utah's campus. But I don't like little lies. So, let's
attack this leadup. Okay? Let's attack this leadup because there's no reason for BB to have lied. As
I've said many times, we talked about Bill Ackman a lot yesterday. I talked about BB Netanyahu. The phone call, the uh do you want to come to Israel kind of trip kind of thing that
to me as I've experienced has been a lace threat when I was going off the reservation of Israel
by asking perfectly sensible questions. I kind of got these invites from people like once you speak to this person, you'll see things. Anyways, Bill Blackman responds to yesterday's episode. Okay.
And I have it. Hold on. I I I actually I printed this out. Let me find it. Okay. Here it actually
right here in front of me. There are two ways to describe his response. I would describe it either

On Ackman's 955word
response, I'll just provide you here with the the highlights. Okay. So, he sets it up that he's a
victim of something that never happened. Everybody watched my episode yesterday. Okay. I never said the sentence, Bill Ackman blackmailed Charlie Kirk. That never happened. But of course, he's doing the
typical like, you know, the Israeli brand thing is I'm a victim and let me tell you why I'm a victim. So, he just sets it up and I don't know why he's putting these things in parenthesis of Charlie's
supposed evolving stance. Okay, we can watch clips of that in a little bit. It's not supposed and
saying it's supposed. Um, but he then says Candace also intimated that I quote unquote blackmailed
Charlie. No full sentence there because I never said it. I never said Bill Ackman blackmailed
Charlie. There was a file presented. Do this or else. Okay. And I wouldn't have said that. Okay.
The first five paragraphs of this never-ending tweet are regarding how he met Charlie, which is
not something that was ever in contention. Okay. I followed Charlie Kirk on X. I admired him. I
connected him. DMs May of this year. Expressed interest. We got on Zoom. We talked to this on
Zoom. Okay. you just can just delete it. Nobody cares. Not a single person cares. He then takes us
through how the weekend event came together and he even provides us with a detailed itinerary of that
event. I mean, I don't I don't know if you needed to hear the itinerary. He gets so detailed that he
even has this sentence here where he wants us know wants us to know that it was even quote unquote
punctuated by meals. Oh. Oh, okay. That's good to know that the event um those who attended it,
the sessions were punctuated by meals. I don't care, Bill. I literally don't care at all what
you ate. I I I understand there was an itinerary. I just don't care. Conspicuously missing. Okay.
Then kind of wraps it up and he's like, in short, this was not an intervention to blackmail Charlie
into adopting certain views on Israel. It was nothing of the sort. Okay, buddy. I never said
you blackmailed Charlie. I asked you if this moment happened. I asked you about BBNetanyahu. I asked you about whether or not there was pressure that was put on Charlie, which the attendees themselves are telling me that this happened. Okay, so what's going on here? Also,
it's rather conspicuous given yesterday's episode. And of course, he had a big time in here like,
I shouldn't even respond to her. She's so widow. You're a widow. I just love billionaires, right? They're just so full of themselves. They are so Their arrogance matches their bank accounts. Like,
oh, we should all be, oh, he's got billions. Let's just take it. Let's just Oh my, well, he couldn't do anything wrong. Yeah, you you need to answer basic questions, and we gave
you an opportunity to do that conspicuously missing. Is you not addressing whether or not Charlie was offered more money and funding from BB Netanyahu? Could you help us out? whether or not
BB Netanyahu invited him to Israel as a lastditch effort to reaffirm his support for Israel or if,
as I asserted and as I maintain, Charlie was being pressured throughout this event about
his viewpoints on Israel and to him, he reflected that this felt like an intervention. Okay. Can you
answer those basic questions? That would be great. Like I said, it's it's interesting you didn't even mention BB Netanyahu at all. You can stand up to him. Is is does anybody want to jump in and
say no? Yeah. The letter Charlie wrote him in May was just like a glowing he just want he just was
overcome with passion and said I love Israel. You guys are amazing. You're beautiful. You're we're going to win this thing and you're perfect and doing nothing wrong. Love you BP. I just
find that weird that no one wants to address the substance of the claims here. whether or not um
maybe maybe Bill himself has an opinion um whether BB lied by severe omission when he mentioned his
last correspondences with Charlie because I feel like if Charlie said I don't want to go to Israel maybe don't bring up I just invited him I guess if it was friendly and everything was great and
he was just going to come out and sadly he won't be able to make it out here and regarding you know
just the public here if you're trying to decide what's real and what's fake whether or not what we're telling you is real or fake. You can take Charlie in his own words. I mean, shout out to
Village Crazy Lady on X. She's a great follow. She just reads Bill Ackman's diet tribe and says,
"Okay." She goes through the itinerary. Bill Ackman just confirmed that he hosted his meeting with Charlie on August 4th and 5th. Here's Charlie talking to Megan Kelly the very next day on August
6th. Now, how do you think that meeting went down? Oh, yeah. Forgot to tell you that. That's the next
day. Okay. That is the next day that Charlie sits down and vents his frustration about how he is
being treated. Take Charlie in his own words. And by the way, yesterday we only showed one portion
of what Charlie said to Megan on that show. Go watch the full thing. Remember, he's with Bill.
He's with Seth. He's in the Hampton. Bill just confirmed that gratefully. And then suddenly, he's overcome with a need to vent about the pressure that both he and Megan are facing as
people that have traditionally always supported Israel. Let's take Charlie in his own words. Take
a listen. I My contention here is that some in the pro-Israel camp are so kneejerk about calling
you anti-semitic or getting deeply offended if you say anything that doesn't align with their
narrative that it undermines their own cause. And I have to tell you, I find it very irritating.
Um because I do feel like some of us have earned the right to have some credibility on the subject
of Israel and don't want to be called those names when we have some mild push back on some of the
overreaches whether it's you know whether they're winning or losing the propaganda war right now and
my contention is they've begun to lose it and I realize it's propaganda coming at us from Hamas but they their their numbers have turned here in America they've turned not so much with Republican
ans a little bit with Republicans but but completely with the Democrat party and with independents they they have shifted mightily from at least double digits highs to single-digit lows
now with it with when it comes to approval and also with respect to you and I speculated
about this at the turning point event whether the possibility of Jeffrey Epstein possibly
being a MSAD agent or asset or affiliated with that's been turned around on me too to you must
be anti-semitic What the hell? That's such [ __ ] The same people who say you can criticize Israel,
that's fine. We won't call you anti-Semitic if you criticize Israel now turn around immediately and
say you're anti-Semitic for even raising that. I completely reject that. And I raised this to as a
push back against my friends on that particular strain of the aisle to watch it because you
don't want to alienate people who are openly your friends by going nuts in your crackdowns on mild
push back on anything related to Israel. Now you take it. I'm so I'm I'm so glad you brought this up and I would second that, Megan. I think I have a bulletproof resume showing my defense of Israel
both on campus, on social media to to great, you know, let's just say mockery and scorn at times
where I because I believe it, right? I I believe in the scriptural land rights given to Israel. I
believe in fulfillment of prophecy. And again, I'm not a theologian, but I'm a Christian. My
life was changed in Israel. The spiritual energy is so amazing there. I I want them to win. I've
said that repeatedly. And however, Megan, you're hitting on something very potent and important.
Now, let me first say I don't want to judge an entire group because there's been many people in the Perisra world that have been very sweet, very kind, very nuanced, very Charlie, you know,
you're with us. You don't have to agree all the time. However, and I and I will say this,
the behavior by a lot, both privately and publicly are pushing people like you and me away.
Not like we're gonna be pro- Hamas. Not like we're gonna But we're like, honestly, the way
you are treating me is so repulsive. I have text messages, Megan, calling me an anti-semite. I
am learning biblical Hebrew and writing a book on the Shabbat. I honor the Shabbat,
literally the Jewish Sabbath. I visit Israel and fight for it. And there's another article out in the Times of Israel today. I could read it on air. I was just reading before I got on. Charlie, what
are you doing? Like, why are you What am I doing? I'm sorry. Like let's just take a step back here.
I can tell you right now from the energy that is coming out of him, the energy that's coming out of Megan is where I was two years ago. Okay? I've been there. You can't you can't even lie
to you can't even attempt to lie to me about what is pouring off of both of them. I was someone who
spent my life my political life defending Israel. Didn't really mean anything to me. It seemed like
a good, you know, argument on its surface that we should support them. They're the only democracy in the least. Okay, now I know that that's not even true. But like, who who care? I was just like pro
America and I wanted to focus on BLM and getting black America better. And then that happened. I said one thing and suddenly like whoa whoa. It was like they just line up like you're just be It's
like Agent Smith. Okay, it's like Agent Smith in the matrix. How many can there be all saying the
same thing? And then they gaslight you. They make you think you're crazy because they're like why don't you understand why what you did is really wrong. I remember this. I remember the tweet I
said no person nobody no nation anywhere in the world has a right to commit genocide. And I was
suddenly being flooded with messages from people all Dave Dave Rubin I remember this. I was like what did you mean by that? And they're text me like we can help you. You can help me what I said
something that made sense like this should not offend anybody. Nobody has genocide is not cool right? Did something change? Where was I? It's when you tweeted it and like you could have been
clearer. You should have added that Israel would never do that. I'm like, okay, you guys are being
insane. This statement stands. I was referring to Brian Mass's remarks, but even if I wasn't and I
just tweeted genocide is always wrong, that tweet should always be right. I can feel that energy.
Okay. When you're not sure who your friends are, they're starting to gaslight you. They're making you think you're going crazy for having sensible positions. And there's no halfway house for this,
okay? I can tell you that you're either going to take being kicked in the chest, okay, and told get
out and then suddenly they're all communicating behind your back and just where he talks about that article, something goes out and suddenly it's like, you know, what's going on? They're
they're like trying to make you think you're going crazy because you're saying some sensible stuff.
Charlie was at that moment. He says that he is receiving messages calling him an anti-semite. So,
how can you lie right now and dispute it? And better question, why are you lying? I don't
like little lies. I'm being contacted by a lot of people, people that are telling me that just
within 48 hours before Charlie passed away, his top Jewish donors were pulling funding from him,
demanding that Charlie take their name off of the building that they had donated to Turning Point. I guess I I can figure out who that is, how many people could have donated a building. And
then once Charlie was killed, they said, "Never mind. Put it back on the building." Okay. Charlie himself had alluded to a tremendous loss of money coming in. Um, and we'll we'll speak about that
more. More people are going to come out with information. This is all inevitable. Okay. And I'll also point you in this direction. You guys remember BB recently was on a PR blitz despite the
fact that he was, you know, fighting this 96,000 front war because Israel didn't do nothing. Okay.
He was doing a ton of podcasts in America. He went on to Patrick Bet David's podcast. He went
on to Brendan Tatum's podcast. He went on to the Nel Boys podcast. Anybody find it weird he didn't
do Charlie Kirk show. Homie very quickly told us that Charlie was implied that Charlie was penning
love letters to him in May. I just love you so much. It's amazing. They were so close. Boys just
hits him up like, "Hey, I know we're fighting this 97,000 front war because we're always the victims, but do you want to just come and maybe stay at my place for the weekend here in Israel?" Like
that's the vibe that BB was rushing to present to the media. So, why didn't you do Carly Kirk
show? I'll leave that as a question for you guys. Common sense. Common sense. Okay. I don't
like small lies. And remember, BB started this. I am responding to his shamelessness. Shameless
misrepresentation of what Charlie was going through and what Charlie was saying because, and I want to be clear, to me right now, it feels, and I'm using a corporate term here,
a bit like a hostile takeover. Okay? Charlie builds the company organically on the basis of
Charlie and Charlie's honest ideas. Suddenly that company's got a lot of money and Charlie's honest
ideas are starting to change or maybe add more color and now he's getting financial threats.
He's being called names. He increasingly uh he's being told who and what he's allowed to speak to
and he's taking a stance. He is he's taking a stand privately up to these people and then it
doesn't matter anymore because Charlie's dead and those very same people who were pressing him are
now doing like very quickly trying to set in stone that oh Charlie essentially the energy
is Charlie died for Israel. He's just he's just one of us. Nobody ask any more questions. That is literally untrue and we're not going to allow it. Okay. It's just not true. I'm going to give even
more interesting tips coming from TurningPoint employees. Something again that I didn't even realize until they said it. Do you guys notice that like Bill Ackman says this thing and drops the
itinerary? But I've worked for Turning Point for 2 years. You've seen Turning Point in the public. Have you ever heard of Turning Point doing a a weekend summit and not publicizing it? In fact,
none of those attendees, you'll remember they were taking pictures at in the Hamptons and all dolled up. There was this whole ring debate happening about a girl who had gotten engaged.
I think her name was Sarah Stockton. Um, and uh, they said her ring was too small and they called
her a a broke [ __ ] There was this whole drama that was happening, which we'll unpack a different
day. Maybe I'll leave today's on this tidbit, but those people never mentioned that they were
in the Hamptons for a Turning Point event or for a Turning Point weekend, which Bill is saying. Why
is that? Were they told not to say anything about being at that event? because Bill Blackman's being
very open about it, but they weren't open about it at that time. We'll leave there. We'll just we will leave it right there. Okay. I will just add here that the response to me asking these
questions, it is like if you want to know why everyone hates like rabid supporters of Israel,
it's because they never change their tune, right? They're like in the comments being like, "Bill Ackman, sue her. Take her money. Take just take her money. That's it. That's how we win.
This is what they always do. They threaten to sue you. They threaten to smear you, to lie to you. How dare you even ask the questions. This is this uh chick. I don't even know her name
is her real name is, but like the gay who's straight is how she goes. This is what like before Charlie died. I'm not kidding. A week before he died, this was her tweet to him.
I'm going to show you how sick these people are. Okay. Do you have that tweet, Skyler?
Oh, okay. Okay. Well, she tweeted this whole thread about how Charlie Kirk had to distance himself from Tucker Carlson. She was one of the people creating online pressure. Charlie, you
know, Tucker Carlson has gone a bridge too far, you know, blah blah blah blah blah. And Charlie's
going to ruin his company. Again, there's always the threat. Always a threat of money. And yes, she
she happens to be Jewish. Okay. And then Charlie dies and she's like oh my gosh I can't this person
I was just saying like you know kind of you know light little oh they do this or else to pray for
Charlie Kirk and now she's arrived at this Bill Abbit thing and just sue her just sue sue that's
how we win we crush them economically we're sick of this we are all of us collectively the globe
we're tired of you guys okay it's always about money threats all of this stuff it's ridiculous
Do what we say or we'll ruin your life. We're going to call up all our friends and we'll just start writing hit pieces about you and we'll destroy you. Do what we say or we'll have you
canled. We'll have your sponsor sit dropped. Do what we say or we'll make sure that you're fired. We'll put pressure that you can't earn an income. If you're still not going to listen to us and you
survive that we're going to sue you for everything you have. You guys suck. Okay? We don't care about
your money. We are tired of it. This reveals who you are, not who I am. The truth should be
enough. I've offered him my platform. If there is more you'd like to say, Bill, things you'd
like to clarify, again, my platform is yours. Even though I know you're so high flutin and above us, he even says in that tweet, by the way, he says like uh speaking about how much um you know, it
they just don't care about you billionaires. He's like, and the fact that she monetized her video, something along those lines, like talking about yesterday's episode, oh my god, how can she read
ads? Oh. Oh. Are you the same Bill Ackman that made an absurd amount of money while we were in COVID
lockdowns and we couldn't work? Are you the same Bill Ackman who like turned that into like billions? I'm pretty sure you are. So maybe check yourself. Okay. I'm so sick of this. Nobody can make money
but us. By the way, the person that was in the Hamptons, other people that were the Hamptons that are all talking about this said Bill Ackman got up and gave a presentation and told them that
they shouldn't own property and they should give money to like, you know, stocks. That's how they
can be successful. They just want to rule over us all, don't they? Allegedly, that's what he said.
Blackman, you can reply. Did you tell people that they shouldn't own property when you gave your presentation on this now infamous meeting at in the Hamptons, which wasn't publicized until I
publicized it? I don't know. I'm just asking questions. Are we allowed to do that? Are you going to sue me? You're going to crush me? You're going to impoverish us all? Why are you guys like
this is my question. Laura Loomer in, too. This is like how Bill, I guess, wins the argument. They're
like, "Bill gave money. It's all about money all the time. Bill Ackman says he's offering a million
dollars to whoever information any information he has regarding the person who assassinated Charlie Kirk." And then she attacks me yesterday and she's like, "Bill Ackman gave a million dollars,
Candace. What did you give? What did you give?" I don't know. Two years of my effing life to Charlie
helping him build things. Why is everything about money to you? Why do you think having money makes
you a decent human being? Why are you so soulless? What is wrong with you? Do you understand that
spiritually something is wrong with you? If your instinct, just so you guys know, regular people
don't behave like that. I want you to know cuz you may I don't think you recognize your own flaws.
When regular people have like a little tiff, they just have a conversation. Okay? So, like if I have
a disagreement and I say it's not what I did, I don't say, "I'm going to destroy your life. Okay? I'm going to make you lose your job and I'm going to sue you." Okay? That's a demonic force that
lives in you. But you have to know your instin your money instinct is not right. It's crazy
and everyone's paying attention to it. Answer the questions and I will publish the truth. The
end. Read a couple of ads. I said I wasn't going to freak out today. I I did freaked out a little
bit right there at the end. I'm trying to calm down. First going to remind you guys about Tax Network USA. I know because uh I know I shouldn't read these ads because Bill Ackman is like how could
you put ads in here? I can hedge against COVID and make billions, but you little girl don't read
an ad. Okay, I'm freaking out again.

Comments.

Wow. 260,000 people watching live. You guys, that is amazing. That makes me feel so good because
I know that that number represents the people who are waking up. This is not left or right. I
don't care. uh do stop trying to make this a trans issue a right that whole debate it's low guys I'm
telling you that that is not where we need to be right now as a society we are fighting evil people who rule over us and impact both sides okay that's the wakeup call that's the wakeup call we all need
right now and I hope that people are waking up to that fact u as we look into what happened here um
going to get into some of your comments here I am totally in the wrong document okay um First up,
we have Anna P. I think this is the first one, right? Am I right, Anna P? Okay, I am in totally
the wrong document. I don't even have the right document up. Give me just a second. No, you're
good. It's cool. I can just go backwards. I just for whatever reason was looking at the timeline because I've been reading from these notes. Okay, first up in the comments, we have Jenna V,
who writes, "Thank you for speaking truth. Rest in peace, Charlie. Thank you so much for your support." Lissa writes, "I pray that you are protected throughout this investigation. Anytime
the enemy tries to lift their hand against you, they are redirected in Jesus's name." Let's get to the bottom of the corruption. We do. This is the case. This is the case. We're not letting this
one go. Alma Coronado writes, "Sending you love from Douglas, Arizona. I'm sending you guys love
back and thank you for that donation. Thank you to everyone who went on to my website and bought a hat, one of our CIA hats, bought a t-shirt, um, and supported us, uh, because they're going to sue
us all. We're going to sue you until you agree, okay? And threaten to sue you and have lawyers
involved and we will crush you because we're really good people is what they say. And the rumors aren't true. Okay? Now that we all got it out of our system, sue, sue, sue, sue, sue, sue,
sue. Read some more comments. S61 writes, "May the Lord continue to keep you strong and protected as
you continue to reveal the truth." Thank you guys. Keep the prayers up. I am telling you, they help. Pray. Pray every day. Go to church. I love seeing people who are like something about
that moment is when you woke up and realized we are fighting real spiritual evil and you felt
inclined to go to church. Maple Leaf Girl writes, "Please look into Governor Cox. He's a corrupt
rhino. He stole the election. I've gotten a lot of emails that are saying that. I I obviously know nothing about that election. He stole the election to reinsert himself as the governor. reach out to
Phil Lyman who ran against Cox and was chosen as the Republican candidate by the delegates
the delegates and Eric Mutosos was the LEO and has dealt with Zinn in the past. That's an interesting
tidbit. Um and I will look into all of those things. Mia writes, "Praying for your safety.
We need truth and I trust only you right now. Thank you." And especially I want to say thank you
um to Lance's family uh because I know this is not an easy time for you and she was telling me and he
was telling me um most people that I spoke to in that family were saying that they were receiving all sorts of phone calls from people that are just looking up their last name and thinking like oh
you must support this or whatever. They're like no like our values irrespective of politics these are
not our values. We are horrified by this and um remember that. Just remember that uh don't harass
people unless you're certain that they would possibly agree with this and they they do not agree with this and they want answers just as much as we do. Chips writes the text chain from Tyler
to his boyfriend. No 22-year-old no 22-year-old uses perfect grammar in a text chain commas and
periods. Something about that text chain is telling me we need a little bit more about that text chain. Stephen Carrington writes, "May God and Jesus forever have your back." Thank you
so much, Stephen. Bible with Bell writes, "Don't believe these texts for a second." He was worried about leaving evidence, but then conveniently texts every detail. Thank you. Thank you. I
do not want to leave any evidence other than this very elaborate text chain that tells you my exact
open and closed motive and why I did this and that I acted alone and that it was to I was totally you
are totally surprised by it. It feels a little fake and gay. Got to tell you guys, it feels a little fake and gay. And there will be no fakeness and no gayness in this investigation. Nothing but
truth. It's all I require from everybody. Um, mind tricks writes, "Casings BS." Casings are BS. Okay,
you guys got to just write the full word. Okay, I'm not good at slang. He was intending to retrieve the gun. Why would he write the messages? Text messages also looked fake. Uh, this whole
thing is fishy. Nobody talks like that, especially after he murders someone. No way. Yeah, like even talking about and this is why I inscribed this on the casings. Like, are you trying to get away
with it or are you not trying to get away with it? Because this is a conflict for me and we're going
to need a timeline. I need evidence of these text messages. Grooven with Christ writes, "I
believe the Catholic Church should honor Charlie Kirk's legacy of courage and unwavering truth by making him a saint. His sacrifice deserves eternal recognition. God bless you always, Candace." Well,
the decision is not up to me, obviously. Uh, and what I do know is that irrespective, the response
to this globally has been amazing. All of you guys, the tags that I'm seeing all over the world,
the football players, the singers, um, I'm going to show you guys tomorrow like Jamie Lee Curtis, she's on the left, right? And she was crying over this totally different politics. It's important
to realize that this impacted people who have a soul and they have removed us from our soul and
have us waring with each other. Like we are so in our minds worrying about these ideas, not realizing they are poisoning us. And I mean that physically, but more importantly spiritually
we are fighting real demons. And if you were on the left, you are not my enemy. If you fall in for ideologies, I did too. Okay? I I've come out on the other side. We have to now meet in the middle.
And we need to look at the true evil that rules over us. Okay. And um I think that is
a great place to stop. Oh, we've got two more uh comments here. Lucy writes, "We love you, Candace. We have your back yesterday to today, tomorrow, and forever. Thank you so much,
Lucy. I Lucy Marian and Bayern writes, "Love you, Candace from Saudi Arabia. Thank you. You are my
spirit animal. Uh God bless you and keep you safe and your family. Thank you for being the source of sanity. You are absolutely right. It is good versus evil." And I also want to say there are
more of us than them. That was a a a Charlie Kirk thing. He said to me, "What is the one thing that
every um slave uh that every slave civilization has had since the beginning of mankind and what
they have in common, pardon?" And the answer is that there was always more slaves than masters,
which is something to consider. There is more of us than there are of them. And I think that's why they're in a panic because we're waking up. We'll see you guys tomorrow. [Music]

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They Are Lying About Charlie Kirk. | Candace Ep 235
Candace Owens
Streamed live on Sep 15, 2025



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The lies about Charlie.
All right, you guys. We're going to jump right into this with no introduction. There's a lot that I would like to speak with you guys about. Can't wait to hear your feedback. A lot of lies
that are being put out there, narratives that I would say are halftruths or just
misrepresentations entirely. And I don't really see the reason for that. Uh first and foremost,
to let you know, last week was not a dream. Charlie Kirk, my friend, is dead. And
um he was publicly executed. I want to make that clear. Charlie Kirk was publicly executed
before the world and as we are all searching for answers the ones that are being supplied
to us are not making a lot of sense and some people I would say are speaking too much are
speaking on behalf of other people. I don't like it. I will say something that I think brought the
world a lot of relief also you know sadness we were grieving with her was when his wife Mrs.
Erica Kirk addressed not just the nation but the entire world. Her words were very powerful and we just have a very brief portion of her remarks which you you should pursue in
their entirety. But here she is. If you thought that my husband's mission was powerful before,
you have no idea. You have no idea what you just have unleashed across this entire country.
in this world. You have no idea. You have no idea the fire that you have ignited within this wife.
The cries of this widow will echo around the world like a battlecry.
To everyone listening tonight across America, the movement my husband built will not die.
It won't. I refuse to let that happen. It will not die. Beautiful, powerful words. Charlie had
just one wife. What we got to see across this weekend is that there were so many people around the world, like she said, who were deeply moved by Charlie Kirk throughout their lives and of
course have been deeply moved by this tragedy. And what she is describing there, that fire, a lot of
us are feeling it. I am definitely feeling it. I had a very tough weekend. A very tough weekend. I
will say this. Um my entire life, I've not been much of a crier. It is not my choice emotion.
I'm not a person who bursts into tears. Uh and many some people are like that. This weekend,
I didn't just cry, I wept. I wept. I wept for Charlie. Obviously, I um didn't make it through
the tribute to him on Friday. And uh for those of you who wanted to see me in a moment of weakness,
that was delivered to you. Fair. Yeah, I watched my friend get shot in the neck. Yeah,
that's what happened. I just want to say that he was publicly executed again before the world. The question is why, right? You know, when you are in a state of grief, you go through a lot of
emotions. And I'm arriving right now at a lot of anger. the audacity of some people. It has
taken much restraint and prayer and I had to speak with a priest. Um I had to go to confession. These
emotions that I am having wanting to respond with Charlie in his own words really people uh that are
coming forward and saying this is what he thought and this is how he should be remembered. It just
feels really inappropriate to me. I didn't know what to do other than to scroll through messages
between me and Charlie regarding which there are a ton of them. And um kept going back and
watching the video, the many videos of us dancing to the song Power and it felt appropriate to uh to
reach out to to Yay speaking about things, talking about his mode when he wrote the song. You know,
when you wrote the song Power, why did we have it as our h our hype song? Because the song is about
the ability to find it within yourself to become what you know you are capable of becoming inside
of a matrix when you just realize everything is dishonest that everything is performative that people are dishonest that they are going to try to stop you from being great. In fact, it's the end
of the song, the question that he asks at the end of the song that's the most important. Yay asks,
"Do you have the power to let power go?" Do you have the power to say no to power? You know,
I told you guys that uh Charlie was going through a spiritual transformation at the
end and all of the usual suspects were really angry that I hinted towards that. What do you mean? You're not allowed to say that. They were attacking me, trying to make me fearful
uh to speak out and speak about the things that I know. I'm not feeling very fearful right now. Um,
I am, like I said, very angry and I found, uh, you know, Charlie's favorite portion of
the song. I'll show you the text between him and I because this feels very relevant right now. Um,
this is again lyrics directly from the song Power, but I just needed time alone with my own thoughts.
Got treasures in my mind, but couldn't open up my own vault. My childlike creativity, purity, and
honesty is honestly being crowd crowded by these grown thoughts. Reality is catching up with me.
Taking my inner child. I'm fighting for custody with these responsibilities that they entrusted
me. That's a moment where he is really speaking about how hard it is like when you're saying, "No,
this is what I believe." And they say, "You're not allowed to believe that." You feel like you are
fighting for custody of yourself. And I want to be very clear that I believe, in fact, I know that
towards the end, Charlie was fighting for custody of himself. I want to say that. I want to say that plainly. And there are lies that are being told and they need to be slapped down right now.
There's one person who's been out there acting like he is a widow, you know, just saying the
absolute most, tweeting first about what happened to Charlie, following it minute to minute, you know, and doing hits in a foreign country, like making time to do hits on Fox News,
two of them. BP Netanyahu is who's fighting, I think, like an 84 front war with everyone,
made a lot of time for Charlie Kirk. would have thought they were the best of friends as close as him and Trump were. But I will say I don't recall Erica mentioning BB Netanyahu in her speech. The
way he he's presenting it is like he was un I mean this is just the worst loss for him. But
I don't think that that is the truth. In fact, I know for a fact that he is misrepresenting some
things that happened there towards the end. So, let's at first listen to what BBNet and Yahoo
uh just one day, less than 24 hours after Charlie died, what BB Netanyahu had to
say on Fox News. Take a listen. We're just heartbroken. Myself, my my wife, my family,
my son, actually, and his 2019 visit to Israel. had lunch with him and his wife Erica. Uh we're
shattered first as human beings because a great human being has been taken from us. Uh he's was
an extraordinary friend. Uh he um you know he he said he wrote me a letter on on May 2nd this year.
He said, "One of my greatest joys as a Christian is advocating for Israel and forming alliances to
defend Judeo-Christian civilization. A few weeks before the tragedy yesterday, I I called him and I
spoke to him and I said, "Please come to Israel." I invited him to Israel. And sadly, that visit
will not take place. But he was he was a defender of our common Judeo-Christian civilization. He
was unbelievably excited to walk in the footsteps of Jesus here. He uh he valued our bond, the bond
between America and Israel. He uh you know he uh uh did so many things to defend free speech. He
had his truth. He stood up for it. But he said you can you can come and debate me. He invited that
debate. He certainly didn't invite the violence, the horrible violence that tried to silence him.
And you know this is a worldwide problem. the the people on on the, you know, on the extremes,
the the Islamist, the radical Islamists and the their union with the ultr progressives, uh,
they often speak about human rights. They speak about free speech, but they use violence to try
to take down their enemies, whether it's President Tribe, who's been almost assassinated twice, or,
you know, they try to kill me here, too. Uh, but they got Charlie Kirk and it's just heartbreaking.
Who is they, BB? Who is they who got Charlie Kirk? We don't have to actually speak conspiracies. I'm
just wondering because you said a lot there, but it really sounded like it was about BB trying to establish a narrative uh a narrative that we saw reinforced by a lot of people uh that, you know,
Charlie kind of made it almost sound like he died for Israel. I mean, Trump's account even tweeted out a photo of Charlie and an an American flag and also an Israeli flag. a bit of AI used,
you know, like this is this is just who Charlie was. He says Judeo-Christian values. Uh he spoke to him two weeks ago. Again, you would think he was busy fighting this 97,000 front war, but no,
he's letting you know that he just randomly what? Picks up the phone and calls Charlie Kirk and
invites him to Israel. Why would do that? It seems like maybe there's a little more to the story. No,
there definitely is a little bit more to the story. First and foremost, that letter he is holding up, he is severely misrepresenting. Those sentences are real. But I am calling upon BB Net
and Yahoo, the dear friend to Charlie Kirk, to publish the letter's entire contents. Like, don't start with just two sentences. Publish the entire thing. You're holding it. I'm saying you're
severely misrepresenting the contents that in May Charlie was concerned about Israel and their
influence on American politics and how they were pushing things that he felt were in conflict with
his beliefs, free speech here in America. BB's holding it up like Charlie just in May said, "Hey,
you know what? I just want to write a love letter to Israel." That's how it was presented. Would you guys agree that's not how it happened? Now, um, regarding that phone call and that invite, that
also needs to be contextualized, and I'm going to do that. But first, Skyler, can we bring in
a clip of Charlie from a month ago speaking about the kind of pressure that he was under because I
think that will also help to further contextualize this. Take a listen. I'm an American citizen. Yes,
I want Israel to win. Yes, I'm a Christian. But like the some of the me and you saw you've seen
how I've been treated, Megan, by some, not all, by some. No, it's very irritating. It's been so
unfair. They were coming after you after a turning point for among other things that you had Dave Smith there. Dave Smith is allowed to criticize Israel. You had both sides. The Israeli side was
not though. No, you're not allowed to. It's even worse than that. Again, I just want to repeat for the fifth time. I love Israel. I want Israel to win, but my moral character is now being
put into question, Megan. Not my decisions, not like, hey, are you doing this? Is it smart or
is it dumb? But no, I am a bad person if I do this. And it's I I could go I mean, you saw it,
Megan. It was trending on Twitter, thousands of tweets and text messages. And if I were to be
charitable and generous, I will say the people that are attacking me are in a hyper paranoid state because they're at war. And war tends to make things black and white. And you're a
hammer looking for a nail. So I'm trying to be charitable, Megan. Literally, I'm trying to cut as much slack as I can, right? Like, okay, what would it be like if all of a sudden I'm starting
to see a pattern of behavior similar to what my grandparents saw in 1930s Germany online? How
would I behave? So that's like my charitable kind of over compensation spirit. At the same time,
I'm like, "But you're it's it's not defensible to be dumb, right?" No, it's not defensible to
be dumb. And he was under an increasing amount of pressure. Uh not just people telling him,
"Oh, well, you know, I'm upset with who you're inviting," but flat out telling him that he
was not allowed to invite certain people to his events. They were threatening to pull out money.
Uh Charlie was getting a lot of really nasty text messages and many of them pertaining to Tucker
Carlson and Candace Owens, but Tucker Carlson was really the focus when it came to America Fest. How
could Charlie allow these debates about Israel to take place? How could he allow Dave Smith,
who by the way is Jewish, how could they they allow how could Charlie allow this other
position to meet the stage? because obviously when people start to hear the debates, what Dave Smith is saying sounds so rational, but it was up to Charlie to not allow those things to happen. And
um those that amount of pressure towards the end as you see that hap that conversation he had with
Megan was just a month before he lost his life uh really I would say reached a a pinnacle of sorts
on the matter of what Tucker Carlson actually said on that stage. Tucker Carlson while he was on that stage at Turning Point brought up Bill Aman. Bill Aman is a billionaire. Obviously, he is also an
extremely latgious billionaire. And Bill Aman was on Charlie about comments that Tucker Carlson had
made on that stage. Tucker Carlson specifically asked the question, where does Bill Aman's money
come from? You know, who is this guy actually? Who is this guy that has this much influence? And
like I said, Bill Aman was not happy about this. And so I would like to contextualize BBE. Again,
these are things BBE brought up publicly, which he didn't have to. He didn't have to bring up the letter. He didn't have to bring up the phone call, but he chose to do this less than 24 hours after
Charlie Kirk was shot. Personally, BB, I would have appreciated if you guys used all of your
spyware. You'd spying on us for years to maybe track down the killer. But I guess this is where you thought it was best to do a little propaganda for Israel. would be better than us helping
us track down the killer. Uh but anyway, so BB Netanyahu in that phone call, what took place was
The truth about Netenyahu's phone call and the pressure put on Charlie.
a couple of weeks ago before Charlie uh lost his life. Uh Charlie was in the Hamptons and he had
um more than one event, but he had uh essentially what was staged an an intervention was staged by
Bill Aman because Charlie's thoughts, Charlie's rational thoughts about Israel were a no no. This
is this is not the route that you should be going on. and Charlie was surrounded by his friends,
his quote unquote friends. Uh, Bill Aman was very upset and threats were made. That is what uh I am
I am told and I will tell you that I am very happy for Bill Aman to dispute this narrative. In fact,
he was asked to dispute this narrative. Uh Max Blumenthal went out to him today and Bill Aman
came back and said, "I I have receipts. I can show you." And he did not provide the receipts and this
is not how it went down. I know it went down this way. I'm waiting for one of them to go on record
and to say that it didn't go down this way. It was at this time that BB Netanyahu was called
and Charlie was invited to Israel. This was an under duress situation, I would say, because I've
been in these situations before. When I started asking very sensible questions about Israel,
as someone who had dedicated her political life to supporting Israel many times alongside Charlie
Kirk, I was met with the very same pressure. And just like Charlie was being invited to Israel,
I was invited somewhere else. And when this arrived to me, it felt like a threat. You know,
I got to tell that it felt like a threat. Like not like, "Hey, come here and we can educate
you because you're my friend." More like this is your last chance. That's how it felt to me.
I can't speak to how it felt of Charlie. Um, and I know that Charlie was offered a ton of money in
this moment. A ton of money. BB would fund it, you know, spend tons of money. Uh, and Turning Point,
I guess, if it needed to go to a higher level, would would have gone to an even higher level than it already was at. And I know for a fact that Charlie denied that funding, that Charlie denied,
and what BB didn't include there, he declined to go to Israel for I would I would describe
this as like, you know, re-education camp. You know, we've seen it. You made an uh oh,
but we can help you. You know, we just need you to come out to Awitz and take a picture. Yeah.
We just need you to come to the Holocaust Museum and take a photo. We just need you to go to Israel
and we can make this better. Charlie said no to BB. Okay. Bill Aman, if you would like to
dispute that, I would love to hear what you say happened because our sources and what we have,
it's solid. Okay, there were conversations that took place, messages that were sent at that time
and they are solid. So I decided another person that was there and I am not surprised this person
was there if you've been listening to my show, Seth Dylan. I was going to go out to Seth Dylan
and I decided to message him last night about this uh Hampton's meeting and Seth Dylan who
was normally very quick with a response has not yet been able to respond. I'll show you this text
message chain. And I want to be clear, I am not someone who normally publicizes text messages,
but my friend was shot in the neck and um I'm just not really in in the state right now to be polite
when it comes to the answers that I am demanding. Okay, this is me out to Seth Dylan last night.
I sent him Bill Aman's tweets because, you know, he tweeted, "I feel incredibly privileged to have
spent a day and shared a meal with Charlie Kirk this summer. He was a giant of a man." I said,
"Any comment on this one, Seth?" He didn't answer last night. This morning, I said, "Need a comment
ASAP, please?" He didn't answer. Then I followed that up and I said, "Trying again here. You were
present when Aman lost his mind on Charlie and when BB invited him to Israel and Charlie refused. Text messages immediately following this meeting are circulating. I find Aman's statement
as though the meeting was somehow cordial to be incredibly disturbing. Are you at all disturbed by that tweet? Do you feel, as I do, that this tweet significantly betrays the defined purpose and
mood of his and I presume your final meeting with Charlie Kirk? Mark, he was unable to speak to me,
but he did place some frantic calls to Turning Point USA. Yeah. You see, I went out to Seth,
but I also went out to two other people uh who were at this meeting, and nobody is willing to
go on record. They're all messaging each other trying to figure out a coordinated response to say that no, this was all quite cordial, but no one wants to go on record and describe it
as cordial because they know someone's leaking because someone's got a guilty conscience about
what happened at the Hamptons. So, I will again put it out there, Seth, Bill Aman, and to the
other individuals who I have not yet named, but who are going to be named that later this week,
who were at the Hamptons when Charlie was put under pressure. Uh, when BB Netanyahu called
him and invited him to Israel again in a move that when had happened to me, and it wasn't BB
Netanyahu felt to me like a laced threat. I am inviting you guys. I will give you my platform
actually to come clear matters up and tell us what really happened because you know I think Charlie
um was definitely on the brink of changing some of his perspectives and um I can tell you factually
Charlie was praying the rosary. Charlie was going to mass. One of my last conversations with Charlie
was me joking with him saying just make the last step. Okay, you are uh I said specifically,
you're too smart to be a Protestant. Just take the last step, Charlie. He says, "Haha,
you're speaking about uh Mary." And typically when those steps start taking place, you stop referring
to yourself as I did as a Judeo-Christian. Again, it is mystifying why, you know, BB was out there
doing the absolute most to make sure that Charlie was basically remembered as I would argue like a
Jew has not been yet mentioned. I didn't I didn't hear that. I Erica was very clear that that Charlie was a Christian and I believe uh Charlie obviously was very much a Christian and that
things are not being told truthfully. In fact, I will also call upon since we're having fun,
Turning Point USA to release the audio of what Charlie Kirk because I was in communication with
Charlie at this time because I knew exactly which donors were pressuring him and why. Exactly which
people that they were insisting Charlie allowed to speak at his event and why when Charlie did
not necessarily want those people to speak at his event. Okay, I'm calling upon Turning Point to
release the footage of what Charlie said to Tucker Carlson before he hit the stage. Before, you know,
all of that craziness and the response to Tucker Carlson's remarks played out. Charlie was miked.
Surely Tucker Carlson was miked. I know Charlie's miked the entire time at those events.

But I don't like little lies. That's what I will say. Something that I always say in my household is when there
is one lie, there's 20. There's no reason to lie. BB could have gone on Fox News, and he could have
told the truth. He could have said truthfully that Charlie Kirk has always loved Israel. He has
always loved Israel as the Holy Land. He's been there many times, and throughout his career he has
been a faithful supporter of Israel.

But that's not what he said, okay? He talked about the phone call, and didn't give it the proper context. He held up the letter, and didn't give it the proper context. And lies by severe omission, I'd like to be very clear, are lies. Lies by severe omission are lies. You're not going to gaslight us and tell us to shut up, or call us anti-Semitic for pointing out the fact that Charlie was having a change of heart about the tactics that Israel was using in America, and that he felt, when he left that meeting, that he had effectively been blackmailed. Again, my platform is yours, Seth Dylan. My platform is yours, Bill Ackman. So, if you want to clarify it, we can do it in front of millions, okay?

So I'm asking for everyone to just release Charlie in his own words. I feel like that's pretty fair, right? Let's stop saying how Charlie felt, and instead, if you're going to hold up the letter, release it in its entirety, okay? Why don't you release your messages, Bill and I'll release mine. Let's all just be very forthcoming about what took place.

In fact, I'm calling upon Tucker Carlson to speak about that. I know Charlie said to him, and I am sure Tucker Carlson won't lie about it. What did Charlie say to you? What was Charlie? Did he seem like he was treading in Israel's direction? Do you feel that BB is being honest, giving an accurate representation of what Charlie was going through? This is what I want.

I think that the thing we need here, sunlight, is the best disinfectant.

Now, does all of this somehow prove that Israel was involved in the assassination of Charlie Kirk? No, we have no evidence of that. We can't say that because there is no evidence of that.

But I don't like little lies. That's what I will say. Something that I always say in my household is when there is one lie, there's 20. There's no reason to lie. BB could have gone on Fox News, and he could have told the truth. He could have said truthfully that Charlie Kirk has always loved Israel. He has always loved Israel as the Holy Land. He's been there many times, and throughout his career he has been a faithful supporter of Israel.

But that's not what he said, okay? He talked about the phone call, and didn't give it the proper context. He held up the letter, and didn't give it the proper context. And lies by severe omission, I'd like to be very clear, are lies. Lies by severe omission are lies. You're not going to gaslight us and tell us to shut up, or call us anti-Semitic for pointing out the fact that Charlie was having a change of heart about the tactics that Israel was using in America, and that he felt, when he left that meeting, that he had effectively been blackmailed. Again, my platform is yours, Seth Dylan. My platform is yours, Bill Ackman. So, if you want to clarify it, we can do it in front of millions, okay?

And I think that that's what people deserve, because everyone has PTSD. We watched Charlie get shot in the throat. That feels a little bit symbolic. It feels like they wanted us to know that his voice was problematic. Again, I don't know who "they" is. After we take this brief break, we're going to go through the investigation, which seems to have a lot of inconsistencies and and holes in it. And we're definitely not yet at the bottom of what in fact took place. But I do know that I severely distrust people who rush to misrepresent things. And it's not a good sign when somebody has to ask you, as Greta Van Susteren asked BB Netanyahu regarding Charlie Kirk's assassination. It's not a good sign if somebody has to ask if you had anything to do with the assassination. Doesn't make you a great person, okay? And that's what she asked him. Take a listen.

Before I let
you go, I want you to address one thing. And uh and I it's just the absurdity of it. Some of
the internet rumors that somehow Israel is behind the Charlie Kirk um murder. And you know, I don't
believe it for one second, but uh I want you to, you know, make a statement. It's so absurd. That's
insane. That's insane. Israel uh also changes the uh the orbit of the moon. Israel pushes
the sun. I mean the whole thing is it's not only insane. It's I think it's so absurd, so stupid,
so stupid, and so ridiculous. You can't believe that people are saying this. They just found the perpetrator. They'll get to the bottom of this, but uh uh they they go, you know, they have no
limits when you hate Jews. uh when you hate the Jewish state, you're willing to say anything
uh and promote all these absurd absurd rumors. Uh and by the way, they're willing to to kill us
all the time. I mean, that's what they're doing. And you know, over the centuries when when Jews, especially in the Middle Ages, the horrific Middle Ages, uh the worst things were said about Jews,
you couldn't possibly believe. We were poisoning the wells. We were drinking the blood of Christian
children. You name it. I mean, these things that continued actually up to the Holocaust. The Nazis said the same thing. You know, we're uh carrying vermin. Uh we're spreading disease.
And people believed it. And every time they believed it, this was a prelude to a greater and
greater massacre culminating with the the worst massacre of them all, the Holocaust. Ah, well,
he's mentioned the Holocaust. Guess we can't prod the narrative any further, guys. Holocaust. So,
everybody's just stopped talking about anything. We I mean, hey, he's the victim. It's absurd. It's
just absurd. The Holocaust happened. You heard him. We're sick of this [ __ ] We really are. And
uh there will be no narrative that I will not prod when it comes to figuring out why people
are lying about the state that Charlie was in uh when it came to the topic of Israel. Again,
Charlie in his own words.
you can examine Charlie in his own words. He was starting to talk about topics that you're
not really allowed to talk about when you take money. Uh, and big checks are being written. That
pressure was increasing every single day. In fact, he was telling the truth even about uh Jeffrey Epstein. Take a listen. Epstein with his little friend Galain and Galain's father, Robert Maxwell,
who is obviously a spy of the Israeli intelligence agencies, that there was something else going on
here. Epstein was not some sort of whiz kid hedge fund manager. Epstein was playing a part. Epstein
was a larer. Epstein was cast for a specific role and he played it really well. the sweatpants and
the Harvard jacket, the kind of disheveled hair, looking as if he was so smart and above the clouds
that he was doing advanced mathematic equations on the back of napkins. But if you actually go
into some of the videos of people that met with Epstein at the time, they said he was awfully unimpressive when it came to finance and markets and economics. And it's nothing new that
if you're in the intel agencies, you want to try and get as much blackmail on powerful people as
possible. Easy, not hard. And this is no longer just speculation. First of all, the evidence that
shows that Epstein was a creation of either MSAD, Israeli intelligence, American intelligence, Saudi
intelligence, or maybe he was just a hired gun. Maybe he was just the guy that countries would
go to and park a couple hundred million bucks and say, "Hey, can you get one of the members of the
royal family with a 13-year-old so we can get them to do what we want to do?" Members of Congress are
actively being blackmailed. The Epstein playbook is being used on a daily basis. Jeffrey Epstein
was not a financeier. He was not a hedge fund manager. Jeffrey Epstein was a key player in a
multi-deade blackmail operation against the most powerful people on the planet. Yeah. I don't know,
man. I don't know. It seems to conflict with BB's narrative a little bit. Yeah. Just a tiny bit. I
do want to say this. Uh it's important because I am angry. I will obviously I I pray to move on
from this phase, but it's a fire in my belly right now. To those of you who think that you are going
to replace Charlie Kirk, okay, Kings are born, you don't just get to depose and tell us that
we're going to follow this individual, okay? I'm one of the Masons of Turning Point USA. You put a
shill in Charlie Kirk's chair, in Charlie Kirk's uh company, and you try to tell us to follow that
individual, I will be an enemy of you. I don't there will there will be nothing that can stop
me. Okay? And I want you guys to understand this is not a threat. This is a promise. There will be nothing that can stop me. I will release every single text message. So to the those of you who
are trying that, I'm seeing the messages. I am telling you to back off right now. Like right now,
don't do it. Okay? Don't you think about it. I know exactly who you are. I know exactly
who you were that were exerting pressure. Don't you pretend to be noble now and say nice things about Charlie Kirk and think you're going to slide into his chair, okay? over my dead body,
which I'm sure can be arranged. Now, I'm going to take a pause.