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Hi everybody. Today's Monday, September 22nd, 2025, and our friend Larry Johnson
is back with us. Welcome back, Larry. You did. You haven't kicked me out of the house yet, huh? Not trying to
dispossess me, but nice shirt. You're doing nice shirt.
You too. Yeah. I gota tell gota tell Professor Miranda he's got to step his game up. You know, he he made some crack on one
of your recent conversations with him. He's a good man, but he needs to get a shirt.
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help us reaching more people. And Larry, let's start with the case of Charlie
Kirk. And he here is what Fox News told us about the rifle, the type of rifle
being used in the assassination. We get the latest details about that
weapon, but investigators had already told us one thing that we knew a few days ago was that they found the rifle
out wrapped in a towel right near the shooting scene. So, they had it, but what we didn't know was exactly how old
it was. is. And it's important to point that out because police say the suspect might have chosen that gun because it was pretty much untraceable. I want to
show it to you on your screen for people watching at home. This is what that weapon looked like according to authorities. It's a Mouser model vintage
rifle that investigators say is so old they didn't even have a serial number on it, so they wouldn't have been able to
track it down. This is the weapon that police say Tyler Robinson used to assassinate Charlie Kirk that day. It
dated back several decades. is the gunman calling it grandpa's rifle tech text texting rather his transgender
partner after the killing saying this. I want to pull up these text messages cuz this whole thing had come to light too the other day. I'm worried what my old
man would do if I don't bring back grandpa's rifle. I don't know if it has a serial number on it but it wouldn't trace to me. I'm worried about
handprints. I had to leave it in a bush though where I changed outfits. I didn't have the ability or time to take it
with. And then he actually kind of stayed around the area, we're told, to see if he had the time to get it and
take it to his car. Court documents say the Utah State Bureau of Investigations, who's working this case, found DNA from
the murder weapon that they believe is consistent with Tyler Robinson. Police say Robinson also admitted in a text
message that he shot and killed Kirk, texting back and forth to his partner, kind of giving a lot of information. and
back out here live. While Robinson sits in that county jail behind me in Utah, his partner is cooperating with
authorities, I'm told. So, they're trying to get as much information as they can.
Yeah, you get what they're talking about. Yeah. Larry, what do we know about the rifle
and how is the information? How do you find the way that they're somehow managing this situation or they're
trying to put out information about the case of assassination? Well, we really don't know much about the rifle. We've
got some I call them contrived narratives. There was a photograph that was circulating claiming, "Oh, this is the
rifle they found." But, you know, according to that report,
this was a 1906, 1908 Mouser.
That's 120 years old. The rifle that they showed
didn't look like that at all. You know, it was not a wooden stock. It almost
looked like it was a um some sort of plastic material stock. Um so, you know,
we're not sure. I've heard some have just said that it's an MK98
uh mouser and and and and you know another friend of mine Ryan Dawson had claimed that oh
yeah that you could comply collapse that stock you know fold it over to reduce
the size of the gun. Well I've been all over scouring the internet for such a an
image I can't find it. Um, so, uh, and you know, shooting an old
rifle is, uh, you know, brings some problems with it. I mean, you've got to make sure it's in, you know, it's in
decent condition and that the barrel hasn't worn out and, you know, a number of other things. You know, I've got a M1
Garand, which was the rifle used in World War II. It's from 1943.
And I still before I ever shot that had to take it to a gunsmith to say, "Okay, check the is this safe to fire because
it fires the round that Charlie did, which is a it's a big round." Um,
so we really don't know if that in fact is the rifle, you know, and what what
the condition of it was.

Then the question is,
uh, you know, the FBI claimed that he broke it down, you know, took it apart, disassembled it in in part to get it off
the roof. Yet, if you disassemble a mouser, it has what's called an internal
magazine. So, it's like a spring that if you you put in rounds of ammunition and
that spring will, you know, push up so that you can then chamber the round into the barrel, you know, or, you know, put
put the round uh into uh the barrel so it can be fired. Well, the problem is
when you disassemble a mouser that when that internal magazine, it drops out and
all the ammunition falls out. And yet they claimed that they found the rifle
intact with the, you know, he'd fired a shot. It's a bolt action. So you raise the bolt, pull it back, it will extract
the cartridge, move the bolt forward, it will insert the new cartridge into the
barrel. Well, that they claimed that after he fired, he didn't didn't operate
the the bolt action at all. Left it intact. So there's no way in hell he
could have disassembled it is the point. Okay. So, somebody's lying here. That
that's what's clear. Um the images of him going across the roof. Um it doesn't
appear he's got, yes, he has something in his hand, but it doesn't appear to be a full-size
Mouser rifle. Um, so just, you know, you've got to ask a
question, why why is the FBI lying about this?

And then then you get to the issue of the shot.
The fact that there has been so much
disinformation surrounding this tells me that it's an intelligence
operation of some sort. In other words, people deliberately
feeding false information into the narrative such as, "Oh, he was shot from
the side, that's why his head did, you know, his head didn't do that." Or he was shot from behind, or, you know, so you've got lots of this conspiratorial stuff going on. He was shot from the front. He got shot, you know, right here. whether it nicked the
collar bone and then spun up, but it put a hole in and you know the hole
initially shows up about the size of the end of your middle finger. Um, but then
it rapidly, you know, blood just poured out. The claim that it was a 306 round that
hit him. Um, I have seen
several videos of a variety of 36, you
know, full metal jacketed uh 30 30 six rounds.
It would have tore his head off if that's what hit him or just I mean would have caused
catastrophic damage beyond what we saw in his neck

You can see on the internet they've got what are called ballistic dummies. So they use a gel and they
actually have a skeletal structure. So it's designed to reproduce, you know, what shooting uh an actual person would
be like. And I mean when the when a 30-6 six round hits it uh now again when
some of these images we don't know if they were shot from 200 yards. Um there is a a round it's called
frangible and it's it's designed that when it penetrates
it then breaks up. It doesn't it was it was originally designed to stop you know
when police were shooting somebody a bullet would pass through them and hit some innocent bystander behind. So they
they came up with what's known as a frangible round to that would then
remain within the body of the person. I suppose that's possible, but then we get this story out
that the doctor found the bullet just under the skin, and they were calling Charlie Kirk "a man of steel who stopped
the bullet." You know, that's such a croc of crap. You step back and say, "Why the lies." There's no doubt Charlie was shot from the front. There was not an exit wound. You can see it in a variety of videos.
And it raises questions about exactly what
size it was. Some insist that it was what's called a palm pistol. Look, look. The problem with a palm pistol is
how do you aim it? I can aim and point. I can do pretty accurate point
shooting out to about 21 ft. But once you get out past, say 15 yards,
and you try to point shoot with a handgun, you're not going to be very accurate.

This was an accurate shot. So, whoever was aiming, if they're aiming to the head, the bullet could have dropped and hit him in the neck.

So, the forensic I what I'm saying so far is the forensic evidence just
isn't adding up to the narrative. And, you know, the FBI's got uh you know, I
had I had high hopes that Cash Patel and Dan Bonino would bring some credibility back to the FBI. They turned it into a
frigin clown show. They're both buffoons.
Larry, you've mentioned how the doctor, the surgeon was talking about the bullet that they man of steel because he could
explain what has happened to the bullet, what he didn't because we've learned from what
from what Candace Owens told us that she saw a
footage from backside. Uhhuh. She she sees that there is nothing going on when you look at the
you you know look at the scene from the back. And why is that the position? You see no
blood. You see nothing coming out in that direction. There's a I I've got a
video on my latest uh sonar21.com post
um that contains several several videos within that video of different shots
from uh a 306. There's one that uses a full ballistic
dummy head chest. The shot goes through the chest,
blows out the back. So you get an exit wound. It's so the entrance wound maybe
like the size of the end of my finger. The exit wound is like this. And there
was a 2x4 a piece of a piece of wood that was attached to the back of this ballistic
dummy. The bullet penetrated the 2x4 and then went back and hit hit a wall.
That's what you know she was expecting to see that if if a 306 round that was
fully metal jacketed had hit Charlie in the neck would have tore his neck off would have blown off a big back half of
his neck and would have probably hit some of the people that were standing back behind
that that's where the story doesn't make sense. Uh now maybe they'll come up and
say, "Oh, well it was an it was an underpowered, you know, they this was a speciallymade round of ammunition that
only had half the power, you know, half the gunpowder inside the shell casing." Well, you know, maybe. Um so again we
just we don't have any the information they've put out is misleading
and beyond that we don't have any good information other than to say what we know about the performance and how and
the car characteristics of 30 out six round are not evident in what we see
with Charlie Kirk. Um, you know, he gets hit, you know, he does this real quick
movement from he gets hit from the front. Um, and you know, it's just it's the physics
of you're hitting low enough on the neck, the head's going to move forward. You hit me in the forehead, my head's
going to go back. I mean, you can just do it to yourself with pressure. You you hit yourself from the side, hit yourself
from the side. But if I hit myself here on the side of the neck, your head does different things. So people, you need to
look carefully at what's going on. But the fact that he said he
found the the bullet under the skin, that doesn't make sense.

The other thing is the text messages between Tyler Robin Robinson
and his love, you know, the whole thing is amazing because he's coming. Yeah. He's because
the whole story that he comes from a conservative family and then he goes in
a relationship with a transgender guy and you know the text messages between
the two it seems that two people 50 years ago are talking to each other. It's somehow amazing
just looking at two 22 years old. You know the these are pretty young people
talking to each other the way that Yeah. 50 years ago people were talking this
Yeah. L what's his name? Lance Twigs or you know something like that. Yeah. The
the there's a real problem with the text messages put out. And number one they
don't have date timestamps. So it's not like they've been lifted off of phone.
Um some have speculated that this was an AI generated conversation. You know, you
went to Grock and say, "Hey, Grock, give me give me a conversation between, you
know, two two uh sexually confused people, one of whom has just killed
somebody and has uh got a rifle he needs to hide and you know, because some of
the word, some of the language use, you know, you and I talk a lot. You
know, we're on you know, you do a variety of podcasts. I do a variety of podcasts."
None of us use language like that. I mean it is it's archaic. Some of it is archaic.

So you got to wonder why are they so busy establishing this narrative.

Now there are other reports out, and again I take it at face value that it may be true, that this thing was planned in advance. You know, there were cars coming and going from that location in the days preceding. There were posts on Discord and other social media platforms saying that something big was going to happen on September 10th. Others even saying hat
Charlie Kirk was going to be killed. So, this wasn't just one angry
transgender confused guy who's going out to avenge his boyfriend/girlfriend, whatever, that there was an element of organization to this. And you know, that's what they got to get to the bottom of.

How trained does someone have to be to
hit the target the way he did
in this assassination?

Well, it means that you've had
somebody who's taken that rifle and zeroed it, so that when you shoot a
target at 200 yards, I've heard 150-200 yards, when you
shoot a target at that distance, you want to make sure that when you line up the reticles, you know, the crosshairs,
that when you put the crosshair on a particular point, that's where the bullet will hit.
Because the earth is curved, when you fire a bullet, it's basically following the curvature of the earth. And over distance, the longer the
distance, the more the bullet drops.

So if I'm shooting a round, we call them rounds or ammunition because a bullet is
only one part of the round. You've got the bullet, the shell casing,
the primer. The primer is a little explosive at the base in the center of the cartridge. Then when you
hit it, it ignites the gunpowder. So you got those four things, the bullet, shell, gunpowder, and primer.
When you fire say a 5.56 round, which is, you know, much smaller at 500
yards if you've got it zeroed, so at 200 yards, you'll hit right in the middle of what you're looking at. At 500
yards that bullet will drop five feet, okay?
So what this means is somebody had to have zeroed that rifle so that they
knew when they were aiming at 200 yards, that it's going to hit either where
you aimed, or you will understand that you need to adjust where you aim at, recognizing that the bullet's going to drop four or five inches from 200 yards. Okay?

Hopefully I'm not confusing you yet.

No.

So that's one thing, tat there had
to be somebody, whether it was Tyler Robinson, or somebody who helped him, who zeroed the rifle. Number one.

Number two then is the actual shooting, pressing the trigger. If I've got a zeroed rifle, I can teach you to do that at 200 yards in
probably 15 to 30 minutes. And it's a simple matter of put the rifle down,
aim at the target, understand what you're looking at through the scope, put the crosshairs on it, learn to breathe,
exhale, hold your breath, press the trigger.
I could teach you to do that, and you could make that shot.

So the bottom line is there was an element of skill here. Plus, this gets back to the whole notion of he
disassembled rifle. If you've got it zeroed in, and then you take that rifle
apart, there's a good chance that you will have lost the zero so that you have to shoot again to make sure that you're aiming where the red dot in the middle of your scope is. That's where the bullet's going
to go. Does that make sense?

Yeah, it's amazing the way that you describe it. Larry, a person in our
audience has a question for you. What would happen if
the bullet came from the right side around the ear?

Yeah. No. If you would have seen it from
the right side, just put your finger to your ear, hit yourself in the air, try to see if you
can keep your head -- if you get hit unexpectedly in the side, your head's going to move like this.
Okay? We didn't see that on the video. His head does this. It goes down and
then up, down and then up, not to the side. So, that's why I say this. And I step back and say, "Who's putting that out?" I'm not accusing the
questioner of that. That has been circulated on the internet as, yeah, this is what we think happened because
this was an exit. That wasn't an exit wound. That was an entrance wound. And I can pull up my video
at sonar21.com and look at that, and watch the exit wound that comes out of this ballistic dummy. You know, it's
the size of a paper plate small, like a 6" hole.
So what was done to Charlie was an assassination. It was intended to kill him and it, and it did so effectively.

What about his change of outfit. Here is what the FBI said.

So when he's first spotted on campus, he has different clothing on, and
then he changes clothing on the roof, and then changed back into that clothing at
some point so that when he was apprehended, when he was arrested, the clothing matched
the clothing he had on before the shooting.

Yeah, how do they know he changed
his clothing on the roof? I don't know, was he
doing a strip tease, music playing. There are lots of lots of holes in the story.
I don't know if there was a deliberate effort to mislead people, that's a possibility, or if it's just sheer incompetence. I never discount the
possibility of incompetence and stupidity.

And you see the footage, Larry, of the
guy who's crossing the road, and you see he has some sort of problem
with his leg and he doesn't --

Well, that's before, right?
Before the shooting, he's walking like he's limping. Some have speculated that he had a rifle in his pants. And I've seen videos where some say you can't do it, and others say you you know I've seen videos
where you can do it. You can still walk, but you will have a limp, or it's not a normal gate.
So is that how he smuggled the rifle up? Again they've got images of him on the stairs, and you don't see him moving in any of those images. So you can't tell whether or not he's actually bending his knees. Does he have a rifle hidden in
his pants or not?

When this first happened, I assumed he had a rifle that he was able to take apart. There are some you can take take apart, disassemble, and break
them down, and get them into a backpack. But then the FBI comes up with the story of this 30-6 which doesn't break that down easily. I've not seen, and I've looked, a single video. If someone can find it, please send me a
copy of it. I'd like to see someone breaking down a mauser.

I could bring my M1 Grand in
here. Again, it's a World War II vintage rifle like this. Some suggest his may have gone back to World War I,
but it's got what they call a receiver,
and then the stock, the wooden part that the barrel sits in, that doesn't come apart easily. It's not a a quick knock it down. Whereas with an AR
platform, an M4, M16, I just push a little uh screw, if you will, or bolt,
and it can break down right away. I can do that in 4 seconds,
but not this.

So, Larry, here's what Candace Owens said
about the outfit.

What happened? Something made its way
around the entire town and into my tips line repeatedly. It is a very clear
image of Tyler Robinson, allegedly taken, I'll say allegedly for safety here, but it's looking right
according to my timeline. Allegedly taken at 6:38 p.m. at a nearby Dairy
Queen. Here is that photo that we can show you. Just take a look at this photo.
What is wrong with this picture? A lot is wrong with this picture. First and foremost, at 6:38 p.m., you just shot someone. You have gone through great
pains to hide your face, to change your outfit. But wait, you didn't fully change your outfit, did you? I'm looking
at this photo and you're wearing jeans, and you're wearing the maroon shirt. Now we have a 50/50 combo of the
outfit. And now you're showing your eyes, and you're not fearful at all that you might be recognized.

Also, wow, you must have quite the stomach. You don't have a criminal record, and then the next thing you know, you shoot someone, and you're like, I'm just going to go have a meal? You don't seem to be
too shaken or too upset. Something problematic is the location. By the way, we mapped this out. It's
about 15 minutes away from the campus at a time when we're told that he's idling
by babysitting the rifle. So, what we're showing is about a 17
minute drive away from the campus. So, there should be a lot of footage then of of his Dodge Challenger
driving back and forth.

And like I said, the biggest thing that jumps out at me is he looks kind of content there. So, he's got to be a full-blown psychopath wearing half of what the feds told us he was wearing in the morning, and half of what the feds told us that he was wearing during the shooting.

So, why did he text this exchange at all, and say that he changed
outfits when you could have said , "I changed my t-shirt" if that's the reality? You just changed your t-shirt and that was enough. Was it just a t-shirt that he changed?
The outfit again, as I sensed yesterday, has always been problematic. I feel the
outfit was the fed's mistake. It never made any sense to say that he wore an outfit onto campus, light khaki shorts and a maroon shirt, and then decided to completely change hours later. Because why wouldn't you just change the t-shirt? That actually makes more sense. Every kid wears blue jeans. You don't have to change blue jeans, or change
out of khaki shorts to avoid detection. No one's going to say, "Hey, we're stopping you because you're wearing blue
jeans." That's not a thing. It would make much more sense if he had just changed his t-shirt.

Well, look, there's some problems with what she's saying. 6:38 p.m. was 3 to
4 hours after the shooting. She intimated that this was like 15 minutes after the
shooting. No, it wasn't. I think the shots took place around 1:00 p.m.
So I'm assuming this is all local time to Utah. So the fact that he's nonchalant 5 hours later, I don't find that surprising at all. But you know she is correct. Why is the FBI making such a big deal about
changing "outfits"?

Look, you and I know we got the shirt
thing going on. I've never heard you say, "I'm gonna go put on my new outfit."
Who talks like that? "I'm going to change my shirt; we're going to change shirts." Or we're going to come in with conservative shirts on Friday. No, we don't say "outfits." There's something weird about the language. And Candace is correct when she notes, he's going to
change his t-shirt? It's not like the whole thing was a costume, or was it? So, you know, again, this FBI with a lot of things it's saying is creating just more
confusion.

Then we had the memorial of Charlie Kirk
in which we saw Tucker Carlson coming up, Donald Trump was talking about and
Donald Trump was asked about actually the assassination. He said that he feels
that the assassin was alone and no one else is involved. Here is what he said.
Involved is what you're asking. It would look to me like not. Now, he did have a friend, but I don't The friend seemed to
be a little bit surprised. And here is what
Tucker Carlson said at the memorial. He was a Christian evangelist.
And it actually reminds me of my favorite story ever. So, it's about 2,000 years ago in Jerusalem and Jesus
shows up and he starts talking about the people in power and he starts doing the worst thing that
you can do, which is telling the truth about people and they hate it and they just go bonkers. They hate it and they
become obsessed with making him stop. This guy's got to stop talking. We've got to shut this guy up. And I can just
sort of picture the scene in a lamp lit room with a bunch of guys sitting around eating hummus thinking about what do we
do about this guy telling the truth about us? We must make him stop talking.
And there's always one guy with the bright idea and I could just hear him say, "I've got an idea. Why don't we just kill him? That'll shut him up.
That'll fix the problem."
It doesn't work that way. It doesn't work that way. Everything is inverted.
You know, you see two people, one of them is feeling that what has happened to Charlie is deeper than what they're
talking about and Donald Trump is trying to say that this is the only guy who was
responsible for the assassination and nothing more than that beyond that.
Yeah. you know, Trump's reaction to this has been pretty weird.
Um, they've, you know, there've been descriptions by both by Charlie's widow, Erica, and others that thought Charlie
loved Donald like a father. He was like a second child to Donald Trump.
Yet on the video uh footage that got, you know, the part that was used in the
show that got Jimmy Kimmel fired, Kimmel, you know, correct made a I
thought he made a decent point, a fair point about Trump was asked like the day
after Charlie had been murdered that what what's your reaction? And he just
said something very, you know, GL, you just sort of, oh yeah, it's terrible. Hey man, look at that construction
project over here. That's that's what I said. That's weird.
That's not normal. Um, if you really have a relationship with somebody that
you genuinely cared about and they've been murdered in this way,
I would find it even difficult to talk, particularly if it's someone that's like my my son, someone that I claim to have
had this close relationship with. Trump's emotions on this have not been normal.
I mean, it the emotions don't match the story, I guess, is what I'm saying.
Um, hey man, look at we're building the biggest ballroom ever. Yeah, Charlie. Yeah, he's dead, man. But man, this
ballroom's going to be great. Um, you know, that is, you know, what I'd
call legitimate target for for a comedian trying to make a point that
Trump's reaction was just so, you know, uh, so unusual.
I'll leave it at that, which is not even a little bit comparable with what Natio is trying to
do. Oh my god, he's so obsessed with everything around it. Donald Trump is trying to ignore
everything and that wasn't a big deal. And how Larry
when you put this to the reactions coming from Donald Trump to the reactions coming from Net
is the prime minister of another country is trying to do everything to convince
people that he wasn't behind the assassination and Donald Trump is somehow ignoring as you've mentioned the
way that he should address the assassination. Well, there is uh the the Apac,
AmericanI-Israeli Public Affairs Committee. the various Zionists are working overtime and it's not just
Jewish Zionists, it's Christian Zionists uh to
you know Charlie was used as a tool by these
people and Charlie he did accept their money and there you know there are several
instances over you know even in over the last year or two where uh he has said
things to justify the genocide. Uh he has not been strong in condemning
the murder of children in Gaza and part of that can be attributed to
the political the the financial pressure that was being brought to bear on him by these wealthy uh Zionist donors.
Um they realize they have a problem though because you know um the the
conversation that was you know recorded I guess 24 hours before all this
happened between Charlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro. And if you if you take some of the
comments out of context, it sounds like Charlie was really questioning and
challenging the the Israelis genocide. But if you play the full clip, it's more
like he's trying to get some guidance from Ben Shapiro. Hey, you know, help me. How do we how do we explain this to
people so that uh they're not going to be pissed off at Israel?
Well, um whether you know both Candace
Owens and Tucker Carlson have testified or you know spoken out that Charlie was
under enormous pressure that he did not like BB Netanyahu. he did not like BB Netanyahu's interference in American
politics and that he recognized he had a problem with his base of supporters. The the
these these 20 20 year olds are not buying into the Israel's our best friend
narrative. So this, you know, the fact that it
surfaced quickly that the possibility was, was this Israel trying to shut up Charlie? I
don't rule that out at all as far as not not did they set somebody up? Did they
help organize the effort? Can't rule it out because they've got a they got a clear track record of killing people
that they view as a problem. Just ask Hassan Nasalla and the Hamas negotiator
Haneia, you know. So they've
Israel's got just, you know, a long rich sorted tradition of uh murdering,
assassinating others that they want to get out of the way. So, here's Charlie Kirk who's uh beginning, you know, well,
the the two points that he was adamant on was he was going to have Tucker Carlson was his friend and he was going
to have Tucker back at the next Turning Point USA event. Well, that you know
there's clear evidence according to Tucker anyway that uh these Zionist
donors uh the very very very wealthy pressured him to say don't you don't
have Tucker Carlson don't have Megan Kelly and don't have Dave Smith. Well,
so you know it's a complicated picture from Charlie Kirk's side. the there's you there are some who can just take
certain statements he made and said he's just a tool of the Israelis and there are other comments you can
take said no he was starting to break away um again I come back to the fact he's 31
years old and so young so young there are things you believe when you're
31 and you know you may not have enough experience at that point to you know
properly think about it and say what you're going to say I Oh boy, I said some stupid stuff I didn't mean to. And
people could take comments I said back when I was 30, 31, and if they played them, it would, you know, paint a
radically different picture of me. So that's why I say I'm going to be uh
I'm very reserved in any kind of judgmental statements about Charlie Kirk was this
or Charlie Kirk was that. you know, I step back and just say, hey, u whether
he was a tool of Zionist or not, he had the force of personality and the
personal vision. And when you listen to Candace Owens, who worked with him in the early days of Turning Point USA,
you know, very very clear that uh um he he was a he was a young man with a
vision and delivered on it and and he need commended on that.
When you interact with the people, it could be on your in your classroom, it
could be with the crowd that Charlie K is doing, you try to tell your message and you're
getting their message. You're getting influenced by the people you're talking with. Even when I teach at the in in the
classroom, I get influenced by my students, right? they teach me as as I'm
trying to teach them. You know, that's what has happened during this movement in the United States. In my opinion,
Charlie Kirk was somehow she she he he learned something new that he couldn't
learn it from Tucker Carlson or Candace Owens, right? It came from the young people who were
challenging him, who were trying to make a point against him. Yeah. I wonder I don't know when when
did he first do his first prove me wrong. You know when he'd go to a college campus and say hey prove me
wrong and would but it would be a debate a back and forth a Socratic questioning.
I I'm not sure. Yeah. But but I would guess if you went and
watched the first two or three of those that he did and then you watched what he
did eight years later. Let's assume that he started when he was 23.
I think you'd see a a difference, a change in approach, change in argument, a change um you know, he's been accused
of saying some harsh things. But again, in those videos that I've watched of those interactions,
he was never insulting or or, you know, calling people names,
you using expletives, um, insulting, you know, their their
mother's sexual history, you know, none of that. It was always, you know, back and forth asking a question, posing a
question. Um that's why I don't think that the
Israeli government would be able to reshape the movement that he has started
because the movement is coming from these young people is not about Charlie and his people. It comes from the young
people in the United States most mostly under the age of 30. Yeah. And that could not be changed as I
understand it. Larry, what's your take on that? Yeah. No, I think the Turning Point USA
is they're at a point of we'll see how they continue. Uh I don't know what
percentage of their budget has been supplied by wealthy uh Jewish donors
like Bill Aman uh and others. But um you know
if they find money outside of that if you will nonzionist money and then
continue this movement because it is you know it is trying to challenge this sort of traditional
I don't like calling it leftist but it but it's um they they are
challenging the notion that uh they start from the premise America is a good
place, not a bad place. Um, and again, that's one, that's the
discussion I would love to have had with someone like Charlie to say, you know, hey, I agree that within America, there
has always been this hope, this ideal of goodness, but we got to take
responsibility for our evil, for what we've done, what we're doing. I mean,
look at right now. Donald Trump is murdering people in boats off the coast of the
Dominican Republic and off the coast of Venezuela with no proof, no evidence, no actual
due process under the under our constitution.
He just decided, I think they're bad. Someone's told me they're bad. I'm going to kill them.
That's legalized murder. That's all it is. So, we've got these bad things in in
America. the the sort of the other thing that the uh that they emphasize is that
you know and this is where where it gets really interesting Charlie Kirk's inter emphasizing a Christian faith that these
Zionists reject Christianity and particularly in the more you know
I'm told I have not read the actual passages in the Talmud but people say that within the Talmud which is
commentary by Jewish rabbis that there are scathing disgusting things said about Jesus and
about the Virgin Mary. So, you know, the irony of Zionist money
funding a movement that is primarily Christian, promoting a Christian message
and repentance and come to Jesus, you know, that that at some point becomes maybe a
a point of contention.

Larry, don't you think that this rhetoric about left and right is confusing, and we are not addressing the core issue, which to me left is socialism, the employee/employer relationship, and social security. The left are
always asking for these things to be to be considered. But you
don't see the Left talking about other things. The Right is talking about something else, traditions. And they are confusing the whole battle. I was watching the
Candace Owens podcast. She said Tucker Carlson, and she herself, said that the
battle is between the elites and the people. It's not the battle between the right and left.

Yeah, I agree with that. For example, I believe that government should not be out attacking,
killing, foreigners, attacking other countries, engaged in military operations on their own initiative. I believe
that military force should always be used as defense, because you've been attacked, or you are being threatened with an imminent attack in which your life will be lost, or you have no alternative but to use force. The same thing applies when I teach defense, teach people to protect themselves
with a firearm. If you carry a gun, and somebody confronts you, the first
thing you need to try to do is to deescalate that, not fight them, not
escalate it by calling them names, or hurling insults, or imposing tariffs, or some action
that will harm them. Try to deescalate. Try to get away. Get out of the
situation. It's only if you can't get away, and you can't
deescalate, and the person with a weapon is moving towards you, then you use force, and take them out.
But that's the last resort. So because I take that position, does that
make me conservative or liberal? Does that make me right or left?
Beats the hell out of me.

Or the concept that I don't want
government taking money that I make, just to waste it on some other
programs. I would like there to be some fiscal responsibility.
I'm willing to pay my part to be a member of society, but I don't want to have to pay more
than other people. And if you're if you're fabulously wealthy, maybe you could step up
a little and help contribute to society.
Does that make me left or right?

So we just go sort of issue by issue. I tend to lean more in the libertarian direction, with
minimal government, maximum responsibility for individuals, and hold people accountable for what they do.

The other day, I don't know if you saw Pam Bondi talking about the hate speech and
freedom of speech and you know the same the same thing was happening with the
previous administration. They're using the same sort of rhetoric to go after
their political rivals, right? you know. Yeah, that's that's the danger. I mean,
she she was and the good news is that people like Tucker and Candace spoke out
immediately condemning her. Uh she's she's awful. She needs she should be
fired. Um she shows she doesn't have an understanding of the Constitution.
Certainly doesn't understand the concept of free speech. You know, I'm old enough to remember you
weren't uh you may not even have been born yet. um when the there were a group of
neo-Nazis that marched in a area of Illinois, Skoi, Illinois, outside of Chicago,
where there was a large Jewish population, a number of Holocaust survivors,
and uh they they ultimately they were allowed to march.
You know, I I oppose everything they stand for, but the I concept of free speech is you
even allow those that you hate or just, you know, despise
to have a voice. You know that it it's you can't just shut it down. You can
say, "I don't like I don't like what you're saying." Because if that becomes your standard, then everybody is going
to be subject to the the persecution based on who's in who's in power. They
can declare any kind of speech like what we've been having today can be considered antisocial or, you know, uh
anti-semitic or and therefore we're going to shut shut it down. It shouldn't be that way.
Yeah, the the situation is hugely changing, Larry, considering I I don't know if you saw the clip when Jimmy
Kimmel was talking about Tucker Coulson being fired of Fox News. He was just
attacking Tucker Carlson. Yeah. The most violent way,
violent way possible. That didn't happen with Jimmy. Yeah. Karma is a beautiful thing. You
know, as I say, I learned the saying in Argentina, elabors
mouth. And uh you know, Kimmel uh you know what
people people forget Jimmy Kimmel used to have one be on one of the most sexist
u shows where it was the Ben Stein show and he
was there with Adam. I guess they called it the man show that I think that's what it was called. I think it's may still be
on YouTube. Did you ever see it? No. Oh, I haven't. Yeah. Go look up the man show. I mean,
they were doing nothing but acting like a bunch of teenage boys
chasing women, drinking beer, being hell raisers. I mean, it was it was it was the
antithesis of what he is now. I mean, good god, you know, he, you
know, back then he was funny. Now he's just, you know, screeching lecturer, you
know, hectoring people. Yeah. But you don't see Tucker Carlson
doing the same because they know they got they understand the situation. They're so much aware of what's going on
with the whole game. Well, T Tucker to his credit admits, you know, I said some
stupid things. I was I supported the war. I was at Neocon. You know, he's
he's actually doing a lot of public self-confession and repentance.
You know, I think he genuinely feels bad for how he was such an enabler of so many bad things and now he's trying to
make amends for that. So, but but that's the difference. He admits it. Kimmel
doesn't. Yeah. Larry
talking about this situation between Iran and Europe with the stap sanctions
and it seems that still they're trying to do something politically,
but how do you feel about the whole situation with the Trump administration? How do they feel about it? Do you think
they're putting pressure even more on Europe to with the case of snapback
sanctions? And how what is the outcome of that for the the position of the West
in terms of the way that they're trying to put pressure on Iran to get whatever they want to get from Iran.
So let's let's explain what we mean by snapback sanctions. Prior to the signing of the JCPOA,
there were six or seven different kinds of sanctions that had been imposed on Iran by the United Nations Security
Council under that uh joint comprehensive plan of agreement. Um JCPOA, I think that's
the right what the acronym means. Yeah. Um
the all those previous sanctions were supposed to be lifted.
Iran was going to be under a new era of no sanctions
in exchange for allowing inspections and ensuring that it wasn't building a nuclear weapon.
Then the United States jump bailed out on it. Germany, France, and the United Kingdom
who were also signitories part of the JCPOA. They never li they never actually lifted
those those previous sanctions that had been in place. They didn't lift those. So Iran was still actually suffering
under the sanctions even though under JCPOA they were supposed to be free of it. And then um I guess Russia
ironically was the one who had proposed this concept of snapback. naively believing,
you know, the R the Russians really are too trusting sometimes. I think uh but
they believe that that this JCPOA thing would work that they were confident Iran
was going to let them monitor u and so they never thought it would get to the point that Iran would say, "Hell no,
we're not going to deal this anymore." because then the snapback was then any of those countries could say, "Okay,
uh we're going to put all those sanctions back in back in place." Well, yeah. I mean, the the fact of the matter
is those sanctions never went away. So, was still operating under the sanctions.
So, a lot of this is just p you know, we're snapping back. What's important to note is the other
day at the United Nations Security Council uh Russia and China along with Pakistan
and Algeria I believe introduced a resolution saying hey let's keep the
JCPOA sanctions relief in place and because all of this this is this is
why Iran signed the Cairo agreement with IAEA
uh two weeks ago. Because at the time I was saying, "What the hell are they doing? They should
tell IAEA to go to hell." But instead, they're signing this
agreement to allow IAEA back in, who's the den of spies.
But then I didn't think through and realized what they were doing. what Iran was doing is saying, "Okay, we're going
to continue to cooperate as required by JCPOA because we, you know, we do genuinely
want to have the sanctions relief." And in doing this, Iran took the high
road of saying, "Okay, even though this international rules-based order is unfairly applied and never applied in a
in a just manner with us, nonetheless, we're going to still play by those
rules. And what did the West do? Nine members
of the UN Security Council told Iran, "Go to hell. Screw you.
No, we're going to you're going to get the sanctions again." The sanctions which have really never been lifted
were, you know, going to be enforced. Except then Russia and China came out
together first time. This is an illegal and valid action.
and we're going to do business with Iran any way we like and
ignore your sanctions. So, it's it's now a real break. Uh and uh Iran is Iran's
in a stronger position both militarily, economically, and politically now than it ever has been.
Do you feel that Iran with this movement, Iran would move toward China
and much more than before? Because Iran was somehow trying to the new
administration, the possession administration somehow was trying to get some sort of balance between the east
and the west. They were trying to many people within the administration. They were advocating for a better
relationship with the United States, specifically with the United States. Well, I think they now realize there's
no possible relationship with the United States. United States wants to destroy Iran.
uh Iran at the same time has been very uh you know active in strengthening
relations with both China and Russia. You know there have been several there have been multiple military transports
from both Russia and China going into Iran. You know helping them rebuild in
the aftermath of uh of the attacks on June June 13th. So, uh, you know, what
what what you're seeing here now is, um, in fact, the other day the chief of
chief of staff of the Iranian army was in Moscow
and one of the meetings was with their basically their secretary of energy
and the secretary of energy said to him, you know, we look forward to in increasing enhancing our economic and
military cooperation. that was coming from a Russian energy chief. It's like what do you have to do
with military cooperation? So clear, you know, clearly uh Iran is they're getting
ready to be attacked again. That that's that's going to take place
and uh I I I think it will be devastating for Israel and potentially
the United States.

Paul's here.

Hello, Larry.

Hello.

How's it go?

Go ahead, Paul.

Larry was talking about the snapback sanctions that Europeans together with
the United States trying to impose more sanctions as as it was before JCPOA.
And how do you see the outcome of the new policies? Instead of having a common ground to work with Iran, you would
force European to go after the plan of snapback sanction putting lot of sanctions on Iran. How is that going to
influence the policy of Iran in terms of moving toward the east or somehow trying
to accommodate trying to get closer to the west? Your take on that?
Well, I agree with Larry. I think Larry nailed it. It forces Iran to develop
closer relations with the other two superpowers, Russia and China. And and I agree with
Larry. Larry is right. My own view is that uh he's also right. I think I
understood Larry to say that uh there's not going to be possible for Iran to
reach an accommodation with United States and I agree with that. I don't
know what I didn't miss I missed you know what his reason for that is but I certainly agree with it and I think the
reason is that the government of the United States is a two-bit puppet
government of net value that's all it is there there there's no
independence anywhere in the United States government from Israel
they control both houses they control the presidency and the media
uh the foreign policyy's in their hands. So, um whatever happens to Iran will be
determined by neter. Let let me ask you a question, Paul, that uh one of one of
the people that uh reads my uh Sodar 21 sent this to me, and I hadn't really
thought about it, but uh he said that given the the price level of oil that's
needed in order to sustain fracking in the United States, that oil that the
price of oil needs to be up at a certain level, and that perhaps what really what
Trump's really doing is trying to prov provoke this crisis with Iran in order
to actually get the price of oil up so that he can protect these industries
inside the United States. Do you think that's pretty far-fetched? Uh, no. That's an entirely possible
motive. Uh, but I just don't think American foreign policy is that independent.
Yeah. it, as good a motive as it is, the
controlling element is Netanyahu. It's Israel. And
um so I don't I really don't think we're capable of acting in our interest in the
Middle East. Yeah. Hey, I'm going to bail out now. You
gentlemen have a great conversation. Good to see everybody. Great to talk to you, Larry. All right, my friends. Bye-bye. See you.
Bye-bye. Goodbye. Bye. Goodbye.

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Paul, how's it going?

Great. Yeah. Paul, let's start with the case of Charlie Kirk. And what's your feeling? What's your understanding? You look at the assassination, you look at the guy that they're talking about, Tyler Robinson. He's coming from a conservative family. Then he's engaged in a relationship with a transgender guy. And the whole story is somehow amazing. The text messages between the two is somehow from another time. What's going on? What do you make of what's going on with the case of Charlie Kirk? You see, you Tucker Carlson coming out saying what has happened to Charlie Kirk is much deeper than what we've been told by the administration, and Donald Trump coming out that he assassinated with no link beyond that. What's your take on that?

Well, I agree with you. The official story is nonsense. It's impossible. It bears no relationship to any fact. Remember now they arrested this Robinson guy, Tyler Robinson, the other day, with no evidence. They claimed the rifle out in the woods was his. As far as we know, it was planted. But the reason I say they had no evidence is they didn't have a bullet. And if you don't have a bullet, you can't use the rifle to find the markings it makes on a bullet to find out if the bullet that allegedly was used to kill Charlie Kirk was fired from that rifle. So they arrested him with no evidence. There was no evidence because they didn't have a bullet.

Now this bullet story is really peculiar, because I kept seeing that they were looking for the bullet. They hadn't found a bullet. And now the story came out the last day or two that the surgeon found the bullet. It was right under the skin of Charlie Kirk's neck. There was no exit wound. In other words, it took them several days to discover there was no exit wound. I mean, really, we had this report allegedly from the surgeon, via Charlie Kirk's right-hand man in the organization, that Charlie Kirk was in such extraordinary health that he was a Man of Steel, and that the bone mass stopped the bullet from exiting. Well, this is another preposterous story. What's the bone mass in your neck? There's no bone. There's a little bit that connects the head to the spinal cord. If this was a 30-6 round, which they say is a caliber for taking down large animals, grizzly bears, moose, it would tear a man's head off. It would decapitate him. And yet, it's stuck in his neck.

Well, the first reports didn't say that the surgeon had found the bullet. He just said, "Hey, there's no exit wound. This makes no sense." A 30-6 isn't going to be stopped by a person's neck. But the later reports say, "Oh, he's got the bullet." Well, I'd like to know what caliber it is. It's impossible that it's a 30-6 unless it was in some amazing way defective. So the whole story stinks.

Now there is available now on the Internet a very clear video of a man standing right in front of Charlie Kirk just a few feet away. There's a railing between them, but I think you can actually reach over and touch him, and you get a clear picture of the man. You know what he looks like. As far as I can tell, there's no effort made to locate this person, to identify him, or to question him. But if you watch this video, I posted it this morning at the end of my column, it appears to show that this man assassinated Kirk with what's known as a palm pistol. It's an old thing. It fits in your hand. And you can see him. He's standing kind of sideways, and at the right moment he raises this arm up, and this hand goes here, and as soon as you see the bullet hit Kirk, you see his hand move just a little bit from the recoil. And then he hops over the fence, and rushes to Charlie's aid, which is a good way to escape. He's one of the people aiding Kirk.

Well, this should get plenty of attention. In fact, it looks to me like you can even see the pistol barrel in between his fingers. And with a little bit of recoil, it shows it's clearly not a 30-6, or his hand would come back and slap him in the face. I know all about high powered rifles. So, what was it? 17 caliber, 22 caliber, 25 at the most? It was a high-powered rifle round.

Then I see there was a report from some other surgeon who wasn't doing the exploration of Charlie, but he says the trajectory of the bullet doesn't match the theory that it came from a roof. So we have all of this.

So what does it tell us?

Well, it tells us that the control narrative is having trouble. There's a lot of trouble with this control narrative. But they're having some success because of the fact that the surgeon said Charlie Kirk's bone mass stopped the bullet. Now all of Charlie's Christian supporters are thanking God for the miracle of Charlie's strength which prevented the people standing behind him from being hit by the bullet going through and hitting them. So in other words, everything's off focus. The narrative controllers have even got Charlie Kirk supporters off focus, talking about the God's miracle, Charlie's bone mass, and you can see where that'll go.

And then we see the narrative controllers getting the rest of us all focused talking about transgendered roommates, and hidden messages of Tyler Robinson admitting his confession. In other words, there's no confession, but the media is creating the impression that there is one from a hidden message. And the media said that it appears that Tyler Robinson might have confessed online. So the confession that appears is hidden.

So these stories have been planted by whoever handled this assassination. It fits the pattern that we see over and over. It fits the pattern that James Jesus Angleton told me about.

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So my view is until somebody can explain how a human neck stopped a 30-6 from having an exit wound, and somebody can prove that the bullet they took from Charlie's neck apparently was fired from that rifle, I don't believe a word of it. Not a word. And I think that we discussed this before, maybe not. The two people, the two entities that had the strongest motive was the American establishment. Why? Because here's a rising leader they can't control. He doesn't talk the language. He's talking the language of family, God, Christianity. He's talking all the things that they've been busy getting rid of for years.

So they have a very good motive. The same motive, the same reason they got rid of Martin Luther King. He was a rising leader. They didn't control him. The ruling establishment will not tolerate a leader they can't control. Look what they tried to do to Trump for eight years. Four false indictments, how many false civil suits? Constant propaganda. Russiagate, Documents gate, Insurrection gate, Stripper gate. It was endless. This is what they do to anyone they can't control.

Now, what is the other entity that had the strong motive? Israel. Why? Because apparently in the beginning, like any American conservative, Charlie Kirk was aligned with Israel. Americans have been aligned with Israel since the beginning of the Cold War. They're also aligned because of this myth of the Judeo-Christian ethic, which doesn't exist. It's a hoax. But the Christian conservatives are just accustomed to being aligned with Israel.

Well, Israel was our ally in the cold war against Russian influence in the Middle East and our ability to control the oil flows, all of that. So, conservatives don't even think about it; they're just automatically in Israel's camp.

Charlie Kirk was like that. And then he started noticing things, and he started raising issues. And toward the end, he was being quite critical of Israel. Well, if Netanyahu sees this, he says, "Look, this is the leader of the rising generation, and that's going to be the future leaders of Israel's camp. We have to get rid of him."

So, that's my take on it all.

They're two different entities, both powerful, both capable of assassinating whoever they want to assassinate. Both had strong motives to assassinate him. The official narrative makes no sense. They arrest Tyler Robinson before they have any evidence. They don't even have the bullet. If you don't have the bullet, you can't prove it came from the gun that they say is his. And as of uh yesterday, my search, I couldn't find anywhere that Charlie that this Tyler Robinson had confessed. There's no I saw one post that allegedly has Tyler Robinson saying uh they don't have a case against me. They haven't proved their case. I agree with him. What What is the case? Uh There's no he's arrested and blamed before there's any link between the bullet and the gun. And we still don't know what the link is between him and the gun. We we don't know what that link is. So that's my that's my take on it. This is a political, a professional political assassination to get rid of somebody who was disturbing the situation.

Yeah. Many people are questioning, Paul, the way that Netanyahu was reacting to the assassination, and even he came out two or three days ago on his personal YouTube channel telling everybody that "It wasn't us. We didn't do anything. We didn't assassinate Charlie Kirk." Why is he feeling the need to do this?

Because Israel had such a strong motive. You know, the first thing that now he said was what a terrible thing that Charlie Kirk has been killed, that he was our friend. We were closely aligned. He was with Israel. That's what he was stressing. He didn't deny that they had killed Charlie Kirk. He didn't say that they didn't do it. He was saying Kurt is our close friend. We were closely allied. He was a man of Israel. He was trying to offset any impact Kirk had on the rising youth about, "Maybe there's a problem with Israel." That's the first thing he did. To me, that's telltale. But you see, we're not going to find out anymore. If Israel did it, there'll never be any official confirmation of that. And if it was an inside job of the American establishment, there'll never be any confirmation. The real question is whether this Tyler Robinson will get assassinated inside a suicide proof jail cell with all the cameras turned off, and the guards asleep, so they can declare the case closed, because it's so full of holes. It'll be very difficult for them now to come up with a new narrative, because the old one is completely shot to pieces. It doesn't make any sense. So, I don't know what they're going to do. I suspect Jack Ruby will be led into the jail to shoot him.

Paul, what has happened to Charlie Kirk in my opinion is some sort of influence on the public opinion among young people in the United States that is changing their mindset toward Israel. It seems that in the aftermath of his assassination, the Israeli lobby, and Ben Shapiro, and people who are supporting Israel, and what they're doing in Gaza in the Middle East, they're trying to take over the movement. They're trying to reshape it. Do you think they're going to be capable of doing this? Because this movement came TO Charlie, Charlie didn't move toward this movement. The people who Charlie was talking with changed his mindset toward Israel. It wasn't Charlie influencing them. And mostly these people were from conservative families who were criticizing the policy of the United States somehow. That's rare.

Nema, I've never known a conservative that wasn't in Israel's pocket. I mean, I'm sure there's a basis for what you're saying. I hadn't thought of that. But I find it surprising just thinking about all the years I was in Washington, the whole Cold War period, the conservatives were in Israel's pocket, and everything I've seen since then, they're still in Israel's pocket. The Republicans are totally aligned with Israel. It's only the Democrats, or some Democrats, that have been critical, and the reason is the Democrats are the champions of the "immigrant invaders," and they allowed so many Muslims into the United States. Now they're are Muslim mayors, and Muslim district attorneys, and Muslim members of Congress.

So the Democrats have had to sort of accept some criticism of Israel, but the Republicans, they don't accept it. And there's really not what I would consider a conservative press any longer in America. It was taken over several decades ago, or 30 years ago, by the neoconservatives along with the conservative foundations. So, what you said surprises me.

But to get to your question, usually when a movement loses its leader, it struggles. That's a huge blow. If you think about it, James O'Keefe, when he was the head of Project Veritas, it was a very effective organization. And they threw him out because he was too effective. Somebody got to his trustees. Well, what do you hear Project Veritas today? Nothing. Nothing.

What about Glenn Greenwald? First he gets bumped out of the press and TV media, and then he forms the Intercept, and it's effective, so he gets thrown out of that. Well, what have you heard in the intercept? The kind of hard-hitting analytical reporting that Glen Greenwald was doing disappeared from the intercept, just like Project Veritas became nothing once the threw out James O'Keefe.

So when you lose your leader, I think that's a very serious blow. I mean, you can see it. Look at the effect of the Israeli assassinations on Hezbollah. I mean, Hezbollah is nothing like the force it was prior to Israel removing so many leaders. The same could be said for Iran. I don't know. You would know more about that than me. But Israel assassinated so many Iranian top leaders and scientists that it has to have had a an effect on Iran.

So I don't know what fate the Charlie Kirk organization will have. They may try to carry it on. It may just become some kind of reformation of evangelical stance. The whole evangelical stance could possibly be less pro-Israel, or it could be more pro-Israel. It really depends on where the money comes from. If it comes from the Israelis, the Israel lobby, then it'll become an Israeli organization.

You see what the organization I think will be mainly concerned with is existence, and preaching Christian values. And it will be removed from foreign policy discussions unless that's a requirement for Israeli funding.

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Paul, what's your take on the way Saudi Arabia has decided to have a sort of alliance with Pakistan, a military alliance with Pakistan, a defense treaty between the two countries? One of them is nuclear with nuclear missiles, nuclear bombs, and the other one is seeking for some sort of umbrella, some sort of nuclear-security-capable state. What's going on in the mind of these people in Saudi Arabia, in Bahrain, UAE. If Israel attacks, what can they do to Israel? The United States definitely would not help us in that sort of attack to defend us. They're not going to defend us. So, we should do something about it. That's why they're talking with Pakistan. They're trying to get a better relationship with Iran. Your understanding on that?

Well, it's obvious the Saudis want to be included in Pakistan's nuclear umbrella. It's the Pakistani nuclear weapons that are attractive. Now why has this come about? Because "Greater Israel" traditionally is from the Nile to the Euphrates. That was the definition of greater Israel. That is the territory that the Zionists claim is Israel. in other words, it includes half of Iraq and Syria, and other elements. But first, in the last year, Israel expanded Greater Israel to include one half of Saudi Arabia. So all of a sudden, Greater Israel doesn't stop at the Euphrates, which if I remember my geography, kind of splits Iraq in half. Now it goes into half of Saudi Arabia.

Then more recently, Israel announced that, Netanyahu said that, Greater Israel now includes Pakistan. Well, if Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are included in greater Israel, then they're targets to be destroyed, just like Libya was destroyed, and Iraq was destroyed, and Syria was destroyed, and Palestine is destroyed. You know, they got to go. And so when these two countries, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, find themselves included in Greater Israel, they said, "Okay, that's the target on our back. We know the Americans are just two-bit-punk-puppets of Netanyahu and Israel, and they're going to destroy us." So that's why they come together.

You see, what's always puzzled me is this should have been obvious to Pakistan and Saudi Arabia 20 years ago. It's taken them 20 years to recognize the obvious. That whole part of the world is so slow in just seeing the obvious. And so they've been knocked off one by one. If they had been unified, Israel would have gotten nowhere, but they can't accept reality, or they can't see it, or they're just focused somewhere else. I don't know. But clearly they have not been focused on their survival, because they haven't survived.

So it could be now that Israel has brought home to Saudi Arabia and to Pakistan, "Hey, you're now part of Greater Israel." And they said, "Woo, what are we going to do about this?" So they're going to have to get unified. Pakistan's valuable to Saudi Arabia because Pakistan has nuclear weapons. Now if China and and Russia had any sense, and Iran, they would announce a mutual defense treaty, and include Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. And then the word goes out to Israel and THE United States. "You attack us, and we're going to attack you." And it stops.

But since Russia and China and and Iran have zero vision, they can't see beyond the end of their nose, nothing will happen. They seem determined to be destroyed, one by one. And they will be.

Paul, what do you make of Donald Trump asking Afghanistan to let the United States go again in Afghanistan, and get the air base back which Donald Trump is claiming it was the United States who built the air base, which it didn't, it was the Soviet Union in the 1950s who built the air base. What is he trying? He said that he's concerned about China's activities in the region. But how do you see beyond that? Is it Iran, Pakistan, Russia, China, all of them together?

Okay, I'll tell you. First of all, I don't think Donald Trump is any longer in control of his foreign policy, and I think the military security complex has resumed control, and the military elements of it are very disappointed in the way we withdrew from Afghanistan. It was a humiliating thing, kind of like Vietnam. And the military security complex wants more conflicts, because it wants more markets for its weapons.

And so this is the American military security complex, and the elements in the armed forces, that are very unhappy at the way we withdrew. War is what feeds the profits, and feeds the careers. If there's war, the promotions come much faster. If there's not war, your prospects of moving up are limited, and very slow. And of course, if there's no war, you have a limit on the weapons that you can get financed and sold. So that's what's going on. Trump is learning that the president doesn't really control the government, which is what I've said for a long time. It was my experience when I was high up in the Reagan administration. It's very difficult for a president to control anything, because the main use of government, the main function of government, is to serve private interests. And so even the President's own appointees are serving those private interests, so they will have careers when that administration is over. So assistant secretaries, under secretaries, cabinet secretaries, they're looking ahead. "What happens to me when this guy's gone? What if I make the wrong enemies? My career is over. What if I make the right friends? I'll prosper, and go on and and rise, and be paid more and more and more. So this is the real incentive. And it's difficult for government to do what the President's agenda is, unless the agenda magically serves all the private interests.

Of course, any kind of reform agenda doesn't. Any kind of peace agenda doesn't. So this is what Trump's up against. And I think that we now see he's no longer in control of foreign policy. And this is why his statements are always turning around. He says one thing, and then a little bit later he's contradicted it, because what he says isn't what they're doing, and they're not going to adjust to him. He has to adjust to them.

So that's my explanation. It's what I experienced, and I think there's been a lot of people who have seen it by being part of it, who are honest enough to say that that's really what the situation is.

Paul, before wrapping up, what is the situation with the conflict in Ukraine? Donald Trump is talking about sending 6 billion of weapons to Ukraine, and on the other hand he feels that he wants to do something about the conflict in Ukraine. What is his position? Do you feel the same way as you feel about the Middle East, or the Russian talks behind the scene, are getting somewhere?

Well, again, the military security complex doesn't want the conflict to end. It means profits. It means they have to cut back. Executives wonder who will be cut, "Me, or this guy?" So he has to send the weapons. I think Trump was trying to get out of the war directly and instead of having the American taxpayer fund the supply of weapons to Ukraine, he wanted to sell the weapons to the Europeans who would buy them, and give them to the Ukrainians, and that would keep the profits going for the American armament industry. It would be a way for Trump to get us out of directly participating in the war without hurting their profits. And therefore, it was a way that he could exit without making himself vulnerable to the military security complex, without annoying them by closing down one of their profit avenues.

Then he could prepare for his war against Iran, which I'm fairly certain Netanyahu will lead him into. I don't quite see how he's going to avoid it. Trump always adjusts to Netanyahu. Just the other day, when Netanyahu and the Israelis attacked the Houthies in Qatar, the little Arab oil emirate, they didn't succeed, but they killed some of the local citizens. Well, in all the reports they are talking about Hamas. It was Hamas. Yeah, I was thinking it was the Houthis. It was Hamas. Hamas.

Yeah, they tried to kill the Hamas leaders, and they killed other people instead. Well, this was an act of aggression against a sovereign country. And the initial reports said that Israel had attacked without clearing it with Trump. So these were all the initial reports. This showed to me that Israel was feeling more and more confident. They don't even have to clear in advance what they are going to do with the United States. Then later, I saw a claim that Trump said Israel had spoken to him, and he had cleared it. Well, which one is true? Did Trump have to say this because it made him look like they don't pay any attention to him anymore?

Initially the reports were that Trump was mad at Netanyahu, and upset with him for doing this. Because we have this great big air base in that little Arab oil kingdom. And they're supposed to be part of our position in the Middle East. And now Israel's attacking it, attacking our ally, Trump's ally, where our air base is. Well, you can see why Trump had to say, "Oh, yes, I gave approval."

I think it's pathetic that the United States is such a weak powder puff type of country that it can't even have its own foreign policy. It has to accept the foreign policy that Israel imposes on it. And so I discount the notion that the United States is a superpower. It's an Israeli puppet state. That's all it is. Even in red states, you can't criticize Israel, and at the same time have a government contract, or government employment. I mean, even Texas now. Imagine Texans, tough Texans, and their Republican government won't let them say a critical word about Israel without being banned from doing business with the state. Well, this shows you who's in control. And look at the universities, our elite universities. At Harvard, if the students go protest the genocide that Israel is inflicting on the Palestinians, they get expelled from school. They can't even wave a Palestinian flag. That's considered a hate crime. And if the students protesting are foreign, Trump deports them. Well, would we do this for any other country? No. No. Do we do this to the left-wing kids that burn American flags, and cheer Charlie Kirk's death, and encourage assassinations of Trump? No, we don't. We don't do this. So that kind of tells me that what happens in the Middle East is mainly in Netanyahu's hands. And Putin's Russia, and the Chinese, they just seem to be afraid to get involved.

I mean, Putin ran away from Assad in Syria after spending several years defending Syria. He ran away and handed it over to Israel! Now Israel's occupying southern Syria, I think all the way to the city limits of Damascus. And then they say they are there to stay. So if you want to know what's going to happen, ask Netanyahu. He's the one who knows.  

Thank you so much Paul for being with us today. Great as always.

Thank you, Nima.

See you soon, Paul.

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All right, welcome to the show, y'all. We got a lot going on today. So, yes, later on in the show, I will talk about
the news that just came out this morning that there was a mass shooting at an ICE facility where immigrants were targeted.
Uh there are three immigrants dead. There are no ICE agents even injured. But given those facts, the right has
still decided to go allin on shamelessly lying about this. So, we'll talk about that. I also have new Charlie Kirk
evidence that absolutely changes everything. I'll be talking about that in just a second. Uh then after that we're going to get to Trump crashing out
in his speech to the UN. We have Kamla spilling the tea on 2024 to Matto. We
have Chuck Schumer is caving to Trump yet again in the shutdown fight. We have the failed Trump assassin. The verdict
is in. Is he guilty? Is he innocent? Uh and that's a crazy story. There's some twists and turns in that one. So don't
miss that one. And then um later on uh Trump is looking to bail out the crackpot Argentina president who tanked
his own country and Jimmy Kimmel returns and lights up MAGA in his defiant
return. So we'll talk about all that and more.

So, let's start with this. You all know the Charlie Kirk story
has not been adding up at all. There's a couple things that I keep coming back to
that I just haven't seen a sufficient explanation for. Uh one of those things is that the shooter allegedly changed
clothes two times. Why he did it two times, nobody knows. Nobody can explain why he changed twice and why he did it
at the times that they said he did it. Also, nobody can explain. They allegedly uh disassembled and reassembled the
weapon also multiple times. Nobody can explain that this particular weapon is
notoriously very difficult to uh disassemble and reassemble. It's not really made to do that easily. Uh nobody
can explain how this particular weapon, even when broken down, it wouldn't fit in his backpack. Um nobody can explain
how the weapon was reassembled in the woods after the shooting when it allegedly was disassembled after the shot was fired. Uh there's a lot that
doesn't add up. Never mind the uh multiple decoys that were in the audience that you know I I there's no
explanation that makes sense that includes those people unless they were involved in the plot and the FBI is
trying to pretend like they weren't involved in the plot and in fact those people have been let go. So as you all
know I've had many questions about uh you know what went on here and it seems like I got to be honest it seems like
originally I thought I'd be in the minority but no I'm not. I I appear to be repping the majority position
certainly among people left of center but even among people right of center. I know that MAGA certainly MAGA leadership
is trying to make this about Trantifa. Blame trans people, blame Antifa, but it's not working. And it's not working
because they keep trying to get away with preposterous things. So here's a great example of that right here. Fox News tweeted this a couple days ago. Man
of Steel. Charlie Kirk's body stopped a bullet that would typically just go through everything and it was an
absolute miracle. Nobody else was killed. His surgeon told TPUSA, "It is
insane that in the year of our Lord 2025, they wrote this with a straight face. I
mean, this is humiliating. They're actually making the case that Charlie Kirk is unique among billions of human
beings and his uh flesh, his blood, his bones are just that much stronger that
they were able to stop a bullet that others just would have no chance of stopping whatsoever. Um, now that gets
to the main point here, which is the story they were telling originally was, okay, the shot that hit Charlie in
the neck, well, first it had to ricochet off of a bulletproof vest he was wearing and then it went up, which is why the
entrance wound was so large because normally an entrance entrance wound it is actually very small. Like usually
where the mess happens is the exit wound. That's where you see, you know, sort of the flesh explode and the blood
come out. And so the the fact that the entrance wound appeared to be so big, the explanation was, hey, the bullet
ricocheted off the top of his bulletproof vest and sort of went in almost sideways or tumbling, and that's
what led to the huge open wound and the blood immediately coming out. But here's the thing, Erica, Erica Kirk has
subsequently come out and said he wasn't wearing a bulletproof vest. Not only that, but some people say um you know,
you could see in in certain in certain clips from certain angles, certain pictures, you could actually see a little bit of the outline of his nipples
through his shirt, which would again prove he's not wearing a bulletproof vest. Okay. So
then, uh so if you throw out the bulletproof vest aspect of this, well then you open up a whole can of worms
cuz now it's like, well, that can't be an entrance wound anymore. That looks like it's probably the exit wound cuz
that reacted like an exit wound, right? Okay. So now, uh, all of And the funny
thing is, you know who's really making a big stink about this? It's the right-wingers cuz it's the people who
are very well-versed in gun culture and they know the facts and the evidence and
how these things work cuz they've been shooting guns their whole lives. And so we have a bunch of people who came out
and talked about this and we're like, "Nah, bro. This this simply does not add up." So here's one right here. I want to play this for you. Take a look.
You know how many people hunt out there and know exactly what a 30 odd six round does to a an elk skeleton or bone? We're
not dumb. This ain't going to work. This this man of steel, his bone density. Let's talk about this, okay? Let's talk
about some things that a 3006 can do. From out to about 4 to 500 yards, a 300 6 can penetrate elk bone. Why is that
significant? Elk bone is significantly more dense and strong than human bone. Why? Because elk get up to almost a
thousand pounds. And so the bone has to be extremely dense to carry that much weight. Now let's compare it to human.
Okay. Well, for one, let's talk about where Charlie got shot. He got shot here in the corateed. If that did hit a vertebrae in his neck, let's understand
that neck vertebrae is some of the most fragile bone in the human body because it's so flexible to handle what we do with our neck. So, what they're telling
you is a 30 odd six round, which can blow through bbone, was stopped by
Charlie Kirk's neck and a vertebrae. If you believe that, God bless your little heart. Now, let's look at this actual
bliss test. All right, so we're going to watch a video from US Overwatch. He just put out this a day ago. Very good video. Check it I'll put his link in the pin comment description if you want to watch
the whole video. So, our first shot will be a cold boore shot and we will just see what kind of results uh we are able to duplicate.
All right, so he's got some very thick bone here across the strap of this dummy. Obviously, this would be far thicker and stronger than a human vertebrae in the neck. Let's uh let's
see what this 36 rounds does to it. Wow. And that's not even the uh the
gelatin test. I know you've seen it with like gelatin and I mean I've seen like
the head get straight up blown off from a 306 round like this is not there's no
way that the weapon that they're saying that they're saying was used was used
right. It was definitely a different weapon. Now at this point we don't even know where the [ __ ] shot came from. More on that in a little bit but I'll
keep going here. All right. From this angle you can see here. Huh?
Not only does it go through that bone, it explodes the bone, blows through the dummy. Also, as we'll see here in a second, blows through the wall behind
it. Like we did kind of also think, the uh bone stood no chance against a 30 caliber round traveling at that high of
a velocity. So, now we're going to give it uh reset it back up and put the uh ballistic plate in front of it and see
if we can't duplicate that shot as well. Right now, he actually shoots a ballistic plate with 30 R six round,
destroys the plate. Sex air. Just rip the entire half of that plate off. So there you go guys.
You just saw I mean right there for you. 36 round damage it's going to do. Went through way bigger bone than a vertebrae
through the dummy through the wall. Blew the entire top section of that ballistic plate off. But Charlie Kirk's neck flesh
and a little vertebrae stopped that round. So now uh everything's in question.
People are saying the kind of gun is in question. The round is in question. The the direction of the shot is in
question. Uh basically people are not buying anything. And if if all of us can
look at what they're presenting and rip it apart to this extent, what do you think a good defense attorney will do?
I'm telling you, there's like like almost no chance whatsoever that Tyler Robinson is found guilty based off what
we've seen so far cuz their story does not add up. It does. All right, so more
now, like I said, all this is hitting a fever pitch online. So what happens? Well, uh, the FBI director, Cash Patel,
he comes out and says the following. Ready? As the director of the FBI, I am committed to ensuring the investigation
into Charlie Kirk's assassination is thorough and exhaustive, pursuing every lead to its conclusion. The full weight
of America's law enforcement agencies are actively following the evidence that has emerged, but our efforts extend beyond initial findings. We are
examining every facet of this assassination. We are meticulously investigating theories and questions,
including the location from where the shot was taken. Wait, hold on. So, that sounds like you
guys are kind of admitting the shot maybe didn't come from the front. That the original story you tried to convince
everybody of was complete and utter horseshit. This is what he's saying. Hey, we're looking into maybe the shot came from elsewhere. Wow. Wow. Okay. He
says the possibility of accompllices, the text message confession and related conversations,
discord chats, the angle of the shot and bullet impact, how the weapon was transported, hand gestures observed as
potential signals near Charlie at the time of his assassination. This is something I showed you, I believe, you
know, right after it happened in my long segment on it. A lot of people isolated. Looks like these people are given
signals who are next to Charlie. He says, "We're looking into that, too." Okay. and visitors to the alleged shooters residence in the hours and days
leading up to September 10, 2025. Some details are known today while others are still being pursued to ensure every
possibility is considered. Our primary focus is to complete this investigation and deliver justice to protect the integrity of the investigation and
subsequent uh prosecution. We cannot release every piece of information we have to the public right now. We will
ensure every question is addressed at the appropriate moment regarding specific details such as questions about the plane that allegedly turned off its
transponder after departing from an airport near the assassination site. We can share updates when answers are
confirmed. After interviews with the pilot and consultation with the FAA, we determine the transponder was not turned
off. Incomplete flight data in rural areas cause the apparent gap. The entire
FBI mourns the loss of Charlie Kirk. We will not rest until justice is served and our investigation into this
assassination will continue until every question is answered. So the thing about the plane there he's alluding to
something we had brought up that soon after uh the killing there were plane
they didn't shut down the airport there were small planes still taking off and one of those planes sort of went off radar for a little bit. Basically he's
he's trying to address all of the chatter online and the conspiracies and people saying hey this doesn't make
sense and that doesn't make sense. But okay, here's the thing. First of all, you would have been the ones to fake the
dialogue. Like, you would have the text messages you guys released. It sounds like you [ __ ] faked it. I don't
trust anything from the MAGA DOJ and the MAGA FBI. I trust nothing from them. But
furthermore, bro, this is why you don't put a podcaster in charge of an investigation. This is why you don't do
that. This is why you have seasoned veterans and experts who know this stuff
uh to do this stuff. They fired the top FBI person in this region of the country
not that long before the shooting happened. And now he's running around like a chicken with his head cut off and
his thumb up his ass and he doesn't know whether he's coming or going. And this is him just desperately trying to quell
the online mob saying, "Oh no, we're looking into it. We promise we're looking into it." Are you? Are you? Because Tyler Robinson
is insisting he's not even the guy who did it. And now everybody's starting to have questions about that, that he looks
like a [ __ ] psy. Now it genuinely looks like even where they say the shot came from, the shot didn't come from
there. That AAM's razor is the shot didn't come from where they say it came from. Right? So then it's like, okay,
well, where the [ __ ] did it come from? Well, I've seen theories, none of them particularly convincing, but I've seen
theories of like, oh, this person to the side of Charlie did it. And then I've seen other theories that say, "No, no, no, this other person to the side of
Charlie did it." Then I've seen theories of there's this guy in like a corner and
you know, and very pixelated, but you can zoom in and see him from a distance. There's a guy with a sniper rifle packed
away in the tucked away in the corner. Uh, so like people are trying, but I
don't know. Nothing's really uh totally satisfying here. But let me give you some more. So this was a video that
dropped recently as well. This guy has his own theory that he wants to to share with you. As we proceed here in this
segment, you're going to see everything I've given you so far is pretty much rock solid, right? Everything I've given you so far, the fact that they're saying
he's a man of steel. No, he's [ __ ] not. That's [ __ ] The fact that now the story about the bullet and the gun
makes absolutely no sense. That that's a fact. Cash Mattel is scrambling and
basically being like, "Oh, we're on it. We're on it." But yeah, I guess we don't know what the [ __ ] happened either. Well, now I'm gonna go through here some
of the theories and we're going to start with with somewhat plausible and then as
we go on it's going to get into crazyville. Okay, but let's go. Here we go. Ladies and gentlemen, I now have acquired proof that the FBI's official
story is false. Whether knowingly or unknowingly, we're going to have an entire monologue and talk about a lot of these things after I show you this. But
if you take nothing else away from this video, you need to see this. And in that video, you can see the same
what appears to be the bullet coming down. And it does line up with the actual gunshot itself. not coming gang
violence. Great. So, this video was created by a friend of mine who is a Marine. You'll see him
here at the end. This is the angle he is showing the shot coming from, showing where Charlie was sitting and the angle of the shot, which will correspond with
this video here, which unfortunately we will blur out Charlie's face, but we will show what is necessary to prove
that this was an entry and exit wound. So, you'll see him circle the highlighted area right there, and you'll
see the exit wound corresponding after, split second after, as it would from an entry and exit wound. So in this
footage, you can clearly see that Charlie is shot from his back right and
there is blood splatter coming out of the entry wound immediately after a shot. The first arc
is kind of down as if it's just gushing out from the entry wound. And then the second shot corresponds with when his
head kind of snaps forward, that fluid then flips up in relation to that motion. So you can see there's that
second splatter flipping up into the air. This is something that I hadn't seen to this date. I saw this for the
first time uh late in the evening yesterday and I decided that this needed to be put out immediately because not no one that I know of is talking about
this. So big shout out to my friend who actually found this and created this video. You'll see him here in just a moment. But let's just one more time
look at this shot. You see bullet comes in in that circled area. You have the
blood splatter go down then up and then immediately after you see the exit right here with the skin being pierced and
then the exit wound emerges. And again, that is not a far distance for a bullet
to travel. Whatever the caliber is, whether it be 5.56, 308, 306, it's not even a debate at this point. It doesn't
matter what caliber killed him. What matters is that the official narrative is not true. Again, whether the FBI knows or not that they're lying, but
this is 100% conclusive evidence that Charlie Kirk was shot in the back of the head and it exited through the front of his throat. All of the evidence points
to Charlie being shot from his back right now. Including this little blood splatter that we can see here against the white backdrop. The extreme hemorrhaging from the front of his neck,
which again corresponds with an exit wound, the extreme loss of blood. No matter what the caliber is, that distance, that amount of meat is not
enough for most bullets to expand. I mean, 99.9% of bullets will not expand in that short distance. Most of them require 12 to 14 to 16 in even sometimes
of tissue to expand properly. Also, Charlie tensing up correlates and proves that he was hit in his spine. It's a
spinal injury. any of the game that I've shot in the neck or in the high vitals where you where you impact the spine that the game usually drops right in its
tracks because you sever the spinal cord. This is again exactly what we see with Charlie. He tenses up his head also his head movement also correlates with
being shot in the back of the head. His head snaps forward and then he tenses up and you see him fade away, drop the mic and um was absolutely traumatizing video
footage and I'm sorry to have to um show you guys this again, but this needs to be seen and talked about because this is going to be suppressed in the algorithm.
So make sure you share this with any of your friends, your family members, save this video, whatever you need to do. So, this video was actually provided to the
channel by um a friend of mine who is a Marine, and I forgot to show you the end of the video here. So, this is my friend who actually made the video. I want to
just give him a shout out. I will link his socials down in the description below. Again, he is the one who brought this to my attention. Okay, so the stuff
about it looks like he was shot from behind and that was the exit wound. That honestly makes more sense to me. Now,
the the deeper question though is who would have been there and had the ability to do it? because it looked like
from most of the camera angles I've seen, it looked like there wasn't much room for anybody to be there. Right now,
he says he brings up this portion here. I'll go back to it where, you know, they
say, "Oh, this is where the guy is shooting from." But if this is where the guy is shooting from, my understanding
that was that this was more front right of Charlie. This wasn't this wasn't back right of Charlie. This was like front
right of Charlie. So, I don't know how they could take a shot from there and have it be have it enter, you know, back
here and the exit wound be front left. So, I I don't know the lines. He draws a
line here to sort of make it seem like, oh, the lines work out. I don't know based on See, he's drawing a line here,
but my understanding was that this line, if you actually drew it properly toward Charlie, this would be like a front
right shot at him. It wouldn't be a back right shot. So, I'll let it keep going here because then he does draws this
other line which sort of implies like Yeah. Oh, this is where it would hit him. I don't think it is. I I think I
thought that there was uh that was more front right. So, parts of this it kind of makes sense. The blood the tiny blood
splatter coming out of the back first sort of implies to me that that would be more of the entrance wound, right? And
the size of the wound in the front does make it seem like it'd be an exit wound. But again, I'm not an expert. I'm not an
expert. But the terrifying thing is we can't rely on Cash Patel and the MAGA
FBI to actually get the right answers and give the right answers. I mean, how hard did they try to pin this thing on
[ __ ] trans people? They tried so many ways. They, oh, it was a trans shooter. You had uh 4chan doxing three or four
different trans people who didn't do it, by the way, trying to ruin their [ __ ] lives. Then they moved it to, oh,
there's trans stuff on the bullets. That's not true either. Then they moved it to finally, oh, he's got like a trans partner, roommate or something. So they
kept moving the trans goalpost, but obviously ideologically they just wanted to blame the left. They wanted to blame trans people. So they're blinded by
their bias. So you can't trust [ __ ] coming from these people. Nothing at all. But you know, people are starting
to dig deep. So this is one theory that went out there. This thing has has gotten a lot of traction. By the way, a
lot of people are talking about this. Like I said, I've seen theories that uh the shooters were directly to his side.
I've seen different people singled out as the shooter to the side. Uh but let me keep going here. So, this is the other thing people have been talking
about now.

They're also going deep on Erica Kirk, and they're they're learning more about her background. So,
this person says, "Hey, media, what are the odds of Turning Point President Erica Kirk and Virginia prosecutor Lindsay Halligan being on on the same
stage in the same Trump-owned 2009 beauty pageant?" And so, when you dig deep on Erica Kirk, and you find out that she did
the Trump Miss USA thing.

Another thing about her past, apparently they moved to Phoenix because her mom got involved
with the government. She got a job with Homeland Security and the Department of Defense. So, there's links between her
mom and the US government.

People are also pointing out Erica Kirk apparently worked for this Christian missionary thing in Romania, who were allegedly disappearing children. And that
begs the question, "Well, what the [ __ ] were they doing with them? Is this some sort of trafficking thing, like we've been so concerned about Vis-a-vis Epstein?

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Romania Probes Israeli Adoption Agency Link in Organ Trafficking
Romanian authorities are looking into possible links between Israeli adoption agencies and an illegal global conspiracy to sell organs for transplants.
by Ran Reznick
Haaretz
December 12, 2001
https://www.haaretz.com/2001-12-12/ty-a ... b77dc50000

Romanian authorities are looking into possible links between Israeli adoption agencies and an illegal global conspiracy to sell organs for transplants.

The Romanian Embassy in Israel has asked for, and received from the Labor and Social Affairs Ministry, a list of all children born in Romania who have been brought to Israel for adoption in recent years. The Romanian officials are trying to ascertain if all such children arrived in Israel with all organs in their bodies.

In its request to the Labor and Social Affairs Ministry, the Romanians did not offer evidence in support of suspicions of a link between adoption and organ trafficking. The inquiry is part of a broader investigation involving Romanian children sent to Italy and the United States.

As Ha'aretz has reported in the past, some Israeli physicians were involved in illegal kidney transplants and the sale of human eggs in Turkey, Romania, and other countries in East Europe.

In parallel with the organ investigation, officials from Romania's central adoption agency and from Israel's Labor and Social Affairs Ministry and police, are also examining possible criminal activity of two groups dealing with the adoption of Romanian children by Israeli parents.

Among other suspicions, officials are checking whether one Romanian group, headed by an Israeli, has forged adoption papers, and whether children have been offered to Israeli parents without proper, legal process.

Responding to complaints and rumors, Romanian authorities have taken the highly unusual step in the past year of withholding authorization for the adoption of 16 Romanian babies destined for Israeli parents. This delay has been enforced although the Israeli couples have paid $20,000 each to adopt the infants, and have already become acquainted with the babies in the foster homes and institutions where they are being held. Romanian authorities insist they will not give the go ahead for the adoptions until inquiries about possible wrong-doing are completed.

To help finalize the adoptions, the Labor and Social Affairs Ministry turned to President Moshe Katsav and asked him to raise the issue with Prime Minister Adrian Nastase when he visited Israel last July. Foreign Minister Shimon Peres also raised it with Romanian officials during his recent visit there.

Parents affiliated with the "Future of the Children" group, based in Rehovot, have also appealed to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to help finalize the adoptions of the Romanian children.

And people are making these videos. These videos are first of all, they're blowing up. But second of
all, it's one of those things where you can drive yourself crazy connecting the dots on this [ __ ] .So here we go. Watch this.

Charlie, I love you. Arizona.

So that's her at a Trump Miss USA pageant. She did one in 2009, and I
think she did one in 2012. This is her at the event.
Trump owns the Miss USA pageant
that Erica Kirk Romania. This is what I just told you about.
Romania probes Israeli adoption agency link in organ trafficking. What the
[ __ ] What the [ __ ] Oh, that's the other thing. She has told a story about how
her and Charlie met. I don't remember all the specifics, but it was something like on a plane to Israel or in the
airport on the way to Israel or on the airport on the way back from Israel.
They're accused of training children in crime and sending them west. We as an American people deserve to have every custody file released.
That's where I disagreed with, Charlie. I hate my opponent.
The $12 million fortune Charlie Kirk leaves his wife and kids following shooting.
Nearly 5 million raised for Charlie Kirk's family following assassination as Turning Point USA sees upwards of 18,000
new chapter requests overnight. Are you still talking about Jeffrey Dempsey? This guy's been talked about
for years. And are people still talking about this guy? This great that is unbelievable.
I was definitely trafficked. Romanians adopted as kids now seek justice. Answers as adults
then. All right, now we're going a layer deeper. Ready? We're going a level level deeper here, bro. See, now we're getting
into all the like the conspiracies I've I've we've talked about to this point are more or less within the realm of not
insane. Now we're getting to the sort of stuff that the flat earth community,
there are certain theories that they are gravitating to about the shooting. and we're going to walk through some of them here. So, uh, one of the things some
people are saying, and to be fair, I don't know if this one is actually flat earth. This might be just short of the flat earth community here, but, um,
they're saying that the video, uh, of Tyler Robinson allegedly running across the roof, um, that that particular video
is AI, that that's faked. And some of the points people have made is that,
hey, I thought that this campus was just uh given a whole bunch of, you know, 1080 HD security cameras and now you're
showing us videos that look like they're recorded on a phone from 2007 from 200 yards away. It just doesn't that's
weird. It's weird. And so people are saying, "Look, this is this is uh faked. This is AI." And I'll play the video
here for you and we'll walk through it as we talk about it. But take note here of the shadow of Tyler Robinson as he
runs across the roof. And the shadow disappears when he gets on uh this portion of the roof. Watch.
I'm going to mute it. Did you see that one more time? Running. There's the shadow. Shadow is gone when he hits the
white part of the roof. All right. One more time. Shadow is there as he's running in this portion. when he gets to the white when he gets to the white
portion.
There's a shadow disappearing again. Shadow disappearing. They're going to get to another uh discrepancy in the
video that they say
they say vertical lines glitch.
Okay, that one was weird. Let me watch that one again. I didn't quite see this one. Did you guys notice anything here? Let's see. Running. Running. Running.
Going to zoom in on the lines. I guess those lines change a little bit.
Blue haze on the edge of the roof. That I don't know about that one. The blue haze. The blue haze thing just
seems like again, if this one's a shittier camera, you could just have weird glitches. You know what I'm
saying? I don't know why the blue haze. Okay. All right. And then the person behind
the tree is the other one. You're going to see this. So, see this person walking, walking, walking, walking. They get behind the tree and then they don't
finish walking. It just stops. They're going to show it again. They're rewounded here. They get behind the tree and then they stop.
That one. That one. People were pointing out that one within like the first week. I think this is if you zoom in on the
video to the right hand portion you see somebody walking on the sidewalk but when they get to behind the tree uh they
stop and there is no they don't continue walking through the other side which I mean another explanation for that is the
person stopped walking right like maybe they stopped and they looked at their phone or some [ __ ] um but people are
using this as evidence of hey this is like AI this whole video is faked
whoever's putting together these uh these edits with this Hog, they are uh they're all in, huh? Google Earth Loi
Center. Let's see where they were.
CCTV had clear view footage not released. So, they're saying the footage was not released of you can see in this
in this uh in the screenshot here uh the the full video of it. You would be able
to see the shot, but they didn't release the shot. is that point that they're making that that's what they're trying to say there. Um, all right. So, now now
let's go fully into Crazy Town. Let's go fully into Crazy Town. This is um people
were pointing this out within the first week and it was one of those like I don't know, man. Obviously some optical
illusion or some [ __ ] but people were saying, "Oh, the whole event is faked." And one of the reasons is watch what
happens to the chair after Charlie gets gets killed here. A chair goes through a table and like it it looks like a chair
literally like goes through a table like it's some some video game type glitch. So watch this. Here we go.
Watch the chair. Wait for it. There's the chair and it goes through
the table. You see that? You see it? One more time. Watch the chair. It sort of goes through the table
right through the table. You saw it one more time. Chair through the table. I
lied. One more time. Chair through the table.
That That's like I don't know, just some optical illusion type [ __ ] I would imagine. You know, but because All
right, now we're going fully. We're all in. Now, notice the name of this Twitter account. Brett Flat Earth Bible Jesus.
Look, the reason I'm showing you guys all this is not to be like, "This is what happened." It's to show you all the
stuff that's out there because nobody can trust MAGA. Nobody can trust Cash
Patel. They're they're [ __ ] useless and they're biased. They have their own
things they want to blame it on. And so in the vacuum there, everybody rushes in
with their own theory. And now we arrive at the granddaddy of them all, which is
Charlie Kirk is hanging out in Cuba with Tupac. And uh the whole thing was a [ __ ] hologram and he's still alive.
Ready? So I'm going to click play on this one for you. This one obviously I think is just out there in Narnia. But
nonetheless, it's interesting. So let's watch. Good afternoon everyone. Now I'm sure all of you have noticed online that a
lot of people are talking about why are these people allowed to be in this canopy? Why isn't this marked off and
taped off as a crime scene? And why is this guy in the white shirt taking the most important camera down? the what you
think is the most very important camera there. Why is he taking it down? Well, here's why. Because it's not a crime
scene. A crime didn't take place here and that's not a camera. Now, before I tell you what it is, I want you to get a
real good look at it. Let me just say I love how they put like the spooky music in the background to
have that subtle psychological effect on you. Like, you know, I'm about to drop some real [ __ ] on you, bro.
As he's taking it down, anybody figure out what it is yet?
Okay, here's what it is. It's called a hologram projector. And if you don't believe me, you can go look them up
online. And they're not cheap. They're not cheap. Usually 20 to 60 70 $80,000
for these things. And they come in different varieties. Now, Hollywood calls them hologram stage projectors.
Now, you see how Charlie's little tent there is a perfect square. And you, as you can tell, it's 10t squared. 10t all
the way around on each square. And it's about 9 ft tall. That's because it has to be for the projection to work. Now,
let's explain. For smaller spaces, the projectors can be configured with mirrors to elongate the projection path and maintain picture
integrity. Eyeliner displays ideally require a minimum footprint of 10 ft square and a height of 9 ft to show
full-size human figures. What you are seeing is a reflected image which is so true and realistic to the original, it
has become known as a virtual image. Many people perceive what they are seeing now as a 3D hologram. In fact, it
is a 21st century take on a mid-9th century visual effect known as Peppa's ghost showing now on the relay screens.
Thanks in part to the amazing optical properties of the eyeliner foil combined with the lightened picture output of
Christy digital highdeinition projectors. The image has depth and opacity that actually supersedes the
scale and definition of traditional 3D hologram. Like I said before, 10 ft squared, 9 ft
tall. This canopy was made this size for a purpose because it is a hologram stage
projection that you guys were watching. These performers are holograms. Every series we take one step closer to
achieving all of the sci-fi dreams. It's pretty cool. You'll never have to miss a gig again. The gig can come to you.
We traveled to Paris to meet Ian Okonnell, director of the company that put this show on. I recall we were being asked to produce
a So, you get the gist of it. But yeah, they're saying the flat earth people are saying it was a hologram. Charlie's
still alive. Uh they go on in this video and other videos to point to the fact that there's allegedly a trap door that
was right underneath Charlie. So, um I'm telling you, man, it varies.
It v the different conspiracies out there vary, but the fact of the matter is everybody is looking for answers
because it's very clear that the FBI has lied to us. It's very clear they're not telling the truth. It's very clear
they're not even really interested in finding the truth if I'm being honest with you. They want to pin it on some Antifa person or some lefty or some
trans person and uh you know move on and call it a day and use this for their political ends, namely as Trump is
doing, wage a war on the left in this country. That's what they're doing. But they're you know it's [ __ ] podcasters
running the FBI and they're failing miserably. And so certain things are more practical than other things.
Certain things make more sense than other things. This stuff here obviously I think is bonkers and totally out there. But the stuff that makes sense is
um that the official story is is bogus. It's completely complete nonsense. It's just utter horseshit. And now people are
correctly I believe questioning where the shot even [ __ ] came from and what weapon was actually used. So that's
where we are now. And uh people are going to keep trying to put stuff together and come to their own conclusions because again what we're
getting from the government is just not even remotely believable at this point. Hey y'all do me a favor and like and
subscribe. It helps out big time in the algorithm. Click the bell as well for notifications when videos drop. And
watch that video on screen right now. You know you want to.

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Tell me everything you know about "Romanian Angels" charity adoption outfit, who started it, where, when and how.
ChatGPT said:
Thought for 24s

Short answer: there are two different things people mean by “Romanian Angels.”

1) “Romanian Angels” — the small U.S. evangelical charity program

Who started it: Erika Frantzve (now Erika Kirk). Public write-ups describe “Romanian Angels” as a program under her U.S. 501(c)(3) Every Day Heroes Like You.
Hindustan Times
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Hindustan Times
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Where: Worked in Constanța, Romania (on the Black Sea).
Hindustan Times

When: Active in the late 2000s–2010s era (press and web traces refer to the nonprofit founded in the mid-2000s and to later trips/programming; there’s no comprehensive public archive).
primetimer.com

How it worked: It ran holiday “adopt an orphan” gift drives (a figurative “adopt,” i.e., sponsoring gifts/needs lists), plus other church-style outreach. There’s no verified evidence it was ever an adoption agency or was charged/expelled by Romanian authorities. Multiple fact-check roundups (post-2025) say the trafficking/ban claims circulating online lack official support or records.
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Yahoo
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Hindustan Times
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Bottom line: “Romanian Angels” in this sense was a U.S. ministry project, not an adoption outfit, and there’s no substantiated record of trafficking accusations or a Romanian ban.

2) Romanian Angel Appeal (RAA) — the well-known UK/Romanian foundation from 1990

Who started it: Olivia Harrison (George Harrison’s wife) spearheaded the effort after seeing the post-Ceaușescu orphanage crisis; she rallied partners and volunteers.
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Where: Organized out of the UK with on-the-ground operations in Romania (based in Bucharest today).
Romanian Angel Appeal

When: 1990. High-profile fundraising launched that summer (e.g., the Traveling Wilburys’ charity single/album “Nobody’s Child” in July 1990).
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How it worked: Began with emergency aid to orphanages (renovations, supplies, training), then expanded to long-term programs in education, health (HIV/TB), and social services—many coordinated with Romanian ministries. RAA continues today.
Romanian Angel Appeal

Bottom line: RAA is a large, established foundation born in 1990 out of the global response to Romania’s orphan crisis; it is not an adoption agency, though it helped transform care systems for institutionalized children.
Romanian Angel Appeal
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Why the names get mixed up

The phrasing is similar (“Romanian Angels” vs Romanian Angel Appeal).

Both worked with Romanian orphans/children, but only RAA is the well-documented 1990s foundation tied to Olivia & George Harrison; Erika Kirk’s “Romanian Angels” was a later, small U.S. ministry program with gift-sponsorship drives—not an adoption outfit.
Romanian Angel Appeal
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If you’re thinking of a specific adoption-related entity beyond these two, tell me any detail you remember (city, year, a person involved) and I’ll track it down.

You said:
I have a pamphlet here from "Romanian Angels" for a holiday adoption event in arizona that says:
ChatGPT said:

Great — thanks for sharing that detail. That lines up with the first “Romanian Angels” I described (the Arizona-based holiday gift/adoption drive connected to Erika Frantzve/Kirk’s nonprofit).

Here’s how it fits together with what’s known:

Origins and Founder

Founder: Erika Frantzve (now Erika Kirk), a Phoenix/Scottsdale–based evangelical speaker and philanthropist.

Entity: She set up a U.S. 501(c)(3) called Every Day Heroes Like You in the mid-2000s. “Romanian Angels” was one of its flagship programs.

Operations

Arizona events: They held holiday “adopt an orphan” drives — exactly what your pamphlet refers to. Families in Arizona could “adopt” a Romanian orphan’s Christmas wish list, buy the gifts, and send them overseas.

Romanian partner: The gifts and supplies were directed to children’s homes in Constanța, Romania.

How it worked: Participation was framed as a sponsorship — i.e., “adopting” a child for the holidays by sending gifts, not a legal adoption.

Timeline

Mid-2000s – 2010s: That’s when the project was active, with holiday drives publicized in Arizona churches and community spaces.

After Erika married Charlie Kirk (Turning Point USA), her online presence shifted toward broader faith/political work, and “Romanian Angels” dropped from public view.

Clarifications

Not an adoption agency: Despite the phrasing on the pamphlet, “adoption” meant gift sponsorship, not legal adoption.

No trafficking/ban records: Fact-check investigations have found no evidence that Romanian Angels was ever banned from Romania or sanctioned. The only major, long-running Romanian orphan charity is the Romanian Angel Appeal (RAA), which is unrelated and founded in 1990 by Olivia Harrison and partners.

Would you like me to summarize your pamphlet’s text in context — i.e., place its language alongside the public record so you can see exactly where the rhetoric differs from the reality? That way, you’ll have a cross-reference between the marketing pitch and the documented history.

You said:
that says: JOIN THE MOVEMENT:
Change the life of a Romanian Orphan this Holiday Season
EVENT DETAILS
ADOPT A BOY / GIRL
Everyday Heroes Like You will provide a list of orphans to choose from with their wish list ___ next to their name
ChatGPT said:

Perfect, thank you for transcribing that — it matches what I’ve seen described about the Romanian Angels program.

Here’s how your pamphlet text fits into the picture:

Pamphlet Language vs. Actual Structure
“JOIN THE MOVEMENT: Change the life of a Romanian Orphan this Holiday Season”

Context: This is the mission appeal.

Reality: It was a seasonal Arizona church-community campaign run by Erika Frantzve/Kirk’s 501(c)(3), Every Day Heroes Like You. The “movement” was essentially a gift-sponsorship drive.

“EVENT DETAILS – ADOPT A BOY / GIRL”

Pamphlet intent: “Adopt” is being used in the sponsorship sense, not legal adoption.

Reality: Volunteers or donors chose a child’s profile and pledged to buy gifts, clothing, or other needs for Christmas. The gifts were then shipped to orphanages in Constanța, Romania.

“Everyday Heroes Like You will provide a list of orphans to choose from with their wish list ___ next to their name”

Mechanics:

The charity compiled names (first name/initials) and simple gift lists.

Arizona participants picked a child to sponsor.

They purchased the items and returned them to a collection point.

Volunteers shipped them overseas.

Significance: This shows that “Romanian Angels” was not an adoption outfit in the legal sense, but a holiday gift sponsorship under a U.S. charity umbrella.

Why the Confusion

The word “adopt” in these pamphlets is what often leads people to assume this was an adoption agency.

In fact, Romania had a moratorium on international adoptions since 2001 (later tightened by EU accession in 2007). So, no U.S. group could have been legitimately arranging adoptions at that time.

Would you like me to trace where and when this pamphlet campaign was being promoted in Arizona (e.g., specific churches, news coverage, or nonprofit filings), so you can pin down its local footprint and how official the operation was?

You said:
yes
ChatGPT said:
Thought for 12s

Here’s the Arizona footprint I can document for the “Romanian Angels” holiday “adopt-a-child” drives:

Where it was promoted (Arizona outlets & orgs)

Arizona Foothills Magazine ran a holiday blurb on Dec 19, 2013 titled “Romanian Angel: ‘Adopt’ a Child,” explaining donors could “adopt” a Romanian orphan by purchasing the child’s Christmas wish-list items—exactly the language in your pamphlet.
Arizona Foothills Magazine

Notre Dame Preparatory (Scottsdale) alumni page profiles founder Erika Frantzve, noting her 501(c)(3) Everyday Heroes Like You and saying it “works in partnership with the United States Marine Corps to help sustain an orphanage in Constanța, Romania.” (Confirms the Arizona base + Romania tie-in.)
Notre Dame Preparatory High School

Idealist.org nonprofit listing for Everyday Heroes Like You shows it as an Arizona organization (Scottsdale) with global projects—consistent with an AZ-organized holiday drive.
Idealist

IRS Exempt Orgs file (Arizona) includes EVERYDAY HEROES LIKE YOU INC with a Scottsdale, AZ address—useful as an official breadcrumb tying the program to Arizona.
IRS

(There are also recent summaries referencing the program’s Arizona roots, but the items above are the cleanest primary/organizational traces.)

What the Arizona materials say the event did

The 2013 holiday item spells out the sponsorship model: pick a child from a list, buy the gifts on their wish list, and donate the items—not legal adoption.
Arizona Foothills Magazine

Timeline anchors

2006–2007: Nonprofit formation era (Everyday Heroes Like You). IRS/Org listings and local profiles tie it to Scottsdale, AZ.
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2013: Documented holiday “adopt” drive promotion in Arizona Foothills Magazine.
Arizona Foothills Magazine

Context on “adoption” wording (why it couldn’t have been legal adoption)

Romania placed a moratorium on intercountry adoptions in 2001, then passed Law 273/2004 (effective Jan 1, 2005) allowing intercountry adoption only in extremely narrow kinship cases (e.g., grandparents). So Arizona drives using “adopt” meant gift sponsorship, not adoptions.
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If you want, snap a photo of your pamphlet and I’ll align its lines verbatim against the 2013 Arizona Foothills piece and the org listings above so you’ve got a tidy, sourced one-pager.

You said:
tell me everything you know about Erika Kirk's mother. I know she worked for the defense department and homeland security. What kind of a name is "Frantze." Who is Erika's father?
ChatGPT said:

Here’s what I found (and could not find) about Erika Kirk / Frantzve’s family — especially her mother, father, and the name “Frantze / Frantzve” — along with assessment of where the gaps remain.

What is known
Mother: Lori Frantzve

Multiple sources name Lori Frantzve (née presumably) as Erika’s mother.
People.com

In People Magazine, it says Lori spent “nearly two decades working for General Electric before launching her own ventures in network security.”
People.com

After Erika’s parents divorced, Lori “raised Erika as a single mother in Scottsdale, Arizona.”
People.com

The People piece also says Lori “instilled in Erika a sense of self-reliance, community service, and deep religious faith.”
People.com

There are incidental mentions in news aggregators of Lori being in “network security” or “own ventures” in that area.
People.com

What not confirmed:

I did not find credible sources confirming Lori ever worked for the U.S. Department of Defense or Homeland Security.

I did not locate her full career résumé (dates, roles, governmental versus private sector) in public records or reputable profiles.

Father: Kent Frantzve (or Father’s identity)

Some biographical and news sources refer to Erika’s father as Kent Frantzve.
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However, almost all public profiles emphasize that Erika was primarily raised by her mother after her parents’ divorce, and there is little detail about her father’s background, occupation, or involvement.
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Wikipedia
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No reputable source confirms Kent’s professional history, government service, or further personal details that I could verify.

Name “Frantze” / “Frantzve” / “Frantze”

Erika’s published name is Erika Lane Frantzve (before marriage).
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Many public sources consistently use “Frantzve” (not “Frantze”).
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Wikipedia
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The variant “Frantze” seems to be a misreading or typo (in your question) — I found no credible public reference to “Frantze” as her last name.

As for the origin or etymology of “Frantzve”:

I found no public genealogical record or linguistic source that satisfactorily explains “Frantzve.”

It is an uncommon surname, possibly a variant or anglicized version of a longer name, or with roots in Northern Europe / Germanic / Scandinavian name structures (just speculative).

One article notes that her grandfather was an immigrant from Sweden.
Hindustan Times
That suggests possible Scandinavian heritage, which might help explain a less common surname form.

Assessment and gaps

Lori’s defense / DHS work: I found no verifiable record that Erika’s mother worked for the Department of Defense or Homeland Security in an official capacity. The sources I found emphasize her GE and private sector / security industry work, which might be conflated in some narratives.

Father’s details largely unknown: While the name “Kent Frantzve” appears in some oblique mentions, there is very little public documentation on his background.

Surname origin speculative: Because the name “Frantzve” is rare and I found no genealogical or etymological discussion in reputable sources, its exact origin remains unclear. The Sweden-immigrant grandfather note hints at Northern European roots.

Privacy / limited exposure: Given Erika’s profile and her mother’s preference for privacy (insofar as public domain suggests), some family details may simply not be in the public record or intentionally withheld.

If you like, I can dig into public records, archival sources, and genealogical databases to see whether anything deeper can be found (e.g. Lori’s full work history, Kent’s identity, family immigration records). Would you like me to check those?

You said:
yes
ChatGPT said:

I checked public records, media reports, and genealogical-style sources; here’s a full accounting of what I could find about Erika Kirk / Frantzve’s mother, father, and family origins — along with what remains unverified or speculative.

What is found in public sources
Mother — Lori (Loretta Ann) “Lori” Frantzve (née Abbas?)

Many biographical articles and profiles refer to Erika’s mother as Lori Frantzve.
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People.com
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Ideastream Public Media
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Some sources give her full name as Loretta Ann “Lori” Abbas Frantzve, suggesting “Abbas” might be a maiden name or heritage surname.
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She is consistently described as the primary caregiver after Erika’s parents divorced, raising Erika in Scottsdale, Arizona.
People.com
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Career:

Many sources say Lori worked for General Electric for nearly two decades.
People.com
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Hindustan Times
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After GE, she is said to have launched “ventures” in network security / private sector security / tech / cybersecurity.
People.com
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Hindustan Times
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Ancestry:

Some media mention that Erika’s maternal grandfather was an immigrant from Sweden.
Hindustan Times
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The “Abbas” surname (from the “Loretta Ann ‘Lori’ Abbas Frantzve” reference) might suggest Middle Eastern heritage, which aligns with speculation of Lebanese roots in social media posts.
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Unverified / missing:

No credible record of Lori holding a job as a major official in the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) or Department of Homeland Security (DHS) shows up in responsible sources.

No public resumes or LinkedIn profiles (in reliably verified media) that detail specific roles in DoD or DHS.

No authoritative genealogical or civil records confirming “Abbas” as her maiden name or confirming exact lineage beyond media speculation.

No public documentation (e.g. in local newspapers, registries, federal employee rosters) that tie her into military/intel agencies that I could reliably trace.

Father — Kent Frantzve (or “Kent”)

Some sources list the name Kent Frantzve as Erika’s father.
BBN Times
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People.com
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Hindustan Times
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It is generally reported that Lori and Kent divorced and Lori raised Erika thereafter.
People.com
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Ideastream Public Media
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Beyond the name “Kent Frantzve,” I found no credible public record of his occupation, background, or further family history (in media or public registries).

Name “Frantzve” / Possible Heritage

Erika’s birth name is reported as Erika Lane Frantzve.
Hindustan Times
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Wikipedia
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Ideastream Public Media
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The name “Frantzve” does not appear to be common; I found no genealogical or name-origin sources that clearly explain “Frantzve.”

The Swedish immigrant note (maternal grandfather from Sweden) may hint at Northern European roots in the family, though whether this connects to “Frantzve” or “Abbas” is speculative.
Hindustan Times
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The “Abbas” middle/hereditary name (in “Loretta Ann ‘Lori’ Abbas Frantzve”) suggests possible Middle Eastern / Lebanese heritage in maternal lines, especially because social media posts cite Lebanese heritage in relation to Lori.
Facebook

Synthesis and caveats

What we can say confidently:

Erika’s mother is Lori Frantzve (possibly Loretta Ann “Lori” Abbas Frantzve).

Lori worked long-term at General Electric, then in private/tech / security ventures.

Her parents divorced; Lori raised Erika in Scottsdale, Arizona.

Erika’s father is named (in multiple media reports) as Kent Frantzve, but beyond that, publicly little is known.

There is speculation or media rumor of family roots in Sweden (maternal grandfather) and possibly Lebanon (via “Abbas”), but that is not verified in credible genealogical sources.

What we cannot yet substantiate:

That Lori was ever formally employed by DoD or DHS.

The full professional history or identity of Kent Frantzve.

A clear, documented genealogy linking the names “Frantzve” or “Abbas” to known family trees or national origins.

Birth records, public employee records, or government documents confirming governmental service roles for Lori.

Here’s what I can document about Erika (Frantzve) Kirk’s parents and the surname—plus what I cannot verify.

Mother: Lori (“Loretta Ann ‘Lori’ Abbas”?) Frantzve

Name & role in Erika’s upbringing. Mainstream profiles identify Lori Frantzve as Erika’s mother and say she raised Erika in Scottsdale after divorcing Erika’s father.
People.com

Career. People’s profile says Lori worked nearly two decades at General Electric before launching ventures in network/security tech; her LinkedIn presents her as a founder/exec in computer & network security (AZ-Tech, GTEK, etc.). I find no credible record that she held a formal position at the U.S. Department of Defense or Department of Homeland Security. If she consulted for firms with federal customers, that isn’t the same as being a DoD/DHS employee.
People.com
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Family background (reported). Some media note Swedish ancestry on her side (a maternal grandfather immigrated from Sweden), but that appears to refer to Erika’s paternal grandfather (see below); either way, Swedish roots are well-documented in the Frantzve line.
Legacy

Father: Kent Frantzve

Identity. Multiple reputable outlets name Kent Frantzve as Erika’s father.
People.com
+2
AZCentral
+2

Public presence. Little is published about Kent’s profession; he appears briefly in coverage around Charlie Kirk’s death.
The Times

Extended family / ancestry. Obituaries show Erika’s paternal grandfather was Carl Kenneth (“Ken”) Frantzve, born in Falun, Sweden, which grounds the Swedish heritage in the Frantzve (paternal) line.
Legacy
+1

The surname: “Frantze” vs. Frantzve

Erika’s maiden name is Frantzve (with zv), not “Frantze.” That spelling appears across mainstream bios and reference pages.
Wikipedia

Origin. “Frantzve” is rare in English-language records; given the documented Swedish paternal grandfather, it’s plausibly a Scandinavian/Germanic surname variant (e.g., related to “Frans/Frantz”), but I couldn’t find an authoritative etymology entry beyond that inference. (What is firm is the Swedish-born grandfather on the Frantzve side.)
Legacy

Related Arizona paperwork that ties back to Erika’s maiden name

Erika’s nonprofit Everyday Heroes Like You, Inc. is on GuideStar and tax-exempt directories at a Scottsdale, AZ address with ERIKA FRANTZVE listed as principal—useful as an official breadcrumb for the family’s Scottsdale base.
www2.guidestar.org
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What I did not find (after checking news, org directories, and professional profiles)

No substantiated record that Lori Frantzve worked for DoD or DHS as an employee or official. Public sources consistently frame her post-GE work as private-sector network/security entrepreneurship, not federal employment.
People.com
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Alastair Crooke: Israel is DONE, Charlie Kirk Leak BACKFIRES on Netanyahu
by Danny Haiphong and Alastair Crooke
Sep 20, 2025

Max Blumenthal's latest revelation on Charlie Kirk just humiliated Israel, and Netanyahu is paying the ultimate price says former British Diplomat Alastair Crooke. In this video, Crooke exposes the collapsing Netanyahu regime and why the Charlie Kirk backlash is an ominous warning sign of what's unfolding.



Transcript

Lots of damning journalism, including by
Max Blumenthal himself on the Charlie Kirk
situation implicating Israel, including harsh meetings from Bill
Ackman, a huge Israel lobbyist based in the
United States, multi-billionaire.
This case of Charlie Kirk is reflecting
something much bigger given the
widespread speculation, and now
investigations leading to damning
possible points of inquiry. So,
what what's your reaction to this given
your following and analysis of the
region and your experience doing
diplomacy, because Israel has also had
many problems of late in this arena.

Well, first of all, it comes against a
background. There was the National
Conservative Conference held very
recently in the United States of
Conservatives. I mean, they are quite a
divided group at the moment. And
they became more divided at this meeting,
and they divided sharply along the
lines of those that support Israel
and complained bitterly about those that
thought you could be America first, and not support Israel,
and then a very vituperous group, very striking language coming out
from the editor of the American
conservative saying, "What the hell do
you mean? I mean, why should support of
Israel be part of a America first
agenda?" And so there was already a
fracture, quite a big fissure opening up
in the Republican side. And you had
others and there were attacks made,
of course, on those who supported
it.

Tucker Carlson and Steve
Bannon were there and we
still don't have much of the details of what
actually happened with this killing. I
mean surprisingly, after so long, it
remains an enigma wrapped in a
a riddle. It gets more bizarre as
it goes on.

So it's difficult
to be categoric about this. But the
schism that was already shaping
up amongst the Republican
conservatives was seemingly reflected
also with Charlie Kirk and his
supporters. So
that has been the center of
attention.

Now, whether there is any
connection
with his killing, this schism in
the Conservative party, we don't
know. There's no telling exactly, but we
do know there was tension building up.
And we've seen reports, and we've had
reports from people like Max Blumenthal
and others that there was a big row
about his seeming drift away from
support for Israel. And
others say that isn't necessarily so.

And then important younger
members of the MAGA group, like Nick
Fuentes, has been raising lots of
questions about why we don't have
some details, why the case is so
obscured, and demanding that they should
be put forward. And there's a lot
of anger, and there's a lot of
polarization
taking place. Real anger on both sides
of it, from the liberal
world, but also from the
conservatives.

And I think what it is
going to do is two things.
One is, whatever the circumstances,
whatever transpires about this killing
of Charlie Kirk, whatever comes out from
it, nonetheless, it has opened out in a
huge way this question of is it America
first or Israeli first?
And whether that's connected or not is
not, you know, immaterial. What is
material is that this debate has really
come to the fore because
commentators have produced
more and more background
to events. So even if it transpires
to produce nothing very much, and that
unfortunately is the history of many of
the things that you think some evidence,
or some information, or some new facts
are going to materialize. Nonetheless,
this is changing. And it's no wonder
that some Israelis might have been very
worried about this because
these younger Americans have wide
support on the ground. And they are
also people who come from a
background of tradition and church,
and have strong feelings about this.
And they are deeply angry.

So I would say the first thing is that the
genie is out of the bottle, this issue,
which was sort of kept undercover, which
was not in the public domain, very much
has come out of the bottle, and
is not going to be put
back into the bottle very easily.
So that is one of the
most important things.

I think the second
thing is that in a way. if you look back
at that national conservative conference
a little while ago, there was a sense
that the Republicans needed to redefine
themselves, the young Republicans. I
mean, I'm not talking about the
pro-Israeli section, but the young Republicans
wanted to find a way of defining
themselves. And so those like
Nick Fuentes, who seems to have
huge support amongst MAGA
were saying ,very clearly, listen this
is not the time to take up weapons. It's
the time to stay cool. And he said
maybe there's small
room for consensus. Maybe not. It depends what happens.
But he said what is very clear is we
have to destroy the
people that have been antagonistic, the
people that have pushed this
war. And I think this is the big thing that is coming
out of it, that is going to become a new enemy. They have
defined the new enemy, which is the very
radical violent leaning left that they see as
threatening, the ones in the left that have
been calling them fascists, and calling
them names for this period. Not all of the
left, and they're very clear about that.
But the ones that have taken this
radical aggressive line, I would call it
a manichean line in the sense of it
is all black or light, dark or light, and
there's nothing in between. And I think
we're going to see a much more sort of
manichean
approach from the Republicans,
and this is going to
have a profound effect.

Why is it so important? So what if the young are
changing? No, it means a lot, because
we've heard about all of those others who were at the
National Conservative Convention, some
of the big Jewish donors
there, calling for support, saying it's
crazy to cut ourselves off from what's
happening in the Middle
East. But the point is that
Israel depends on the
United States. It is utterly dependent
on the United States. Its identity is
the United States. I mean greater Israel
is the United States in
many respects as they see
things.

So I think that what
we'll see is that at some point,
Netanyahu, and some of those others in
power in Israel, a very divided Israel,
will start peering up from below
and will see that those young Americans are about
to assume positions of some power in the
United states, and they already assume
positions of great
influence in some cases, but they're
going to assume positions of
power. And when that happens, it's
over, because Netanyahu will discover that Israel has
lost America.

In the domestic political situation in the
United States on the Democratic party
side, you have a big base of people that
aren't even really with the Democrats
anymore. Their approval ratings
are so low, and the Israel question is a
huge one that has fueled that. It's a
big reason why Donald Trump won in 2024.
That base is inaccessible now to
Israel because the vast majority of them
see Israel as genocidal, and they
oppose what Israel is doing in Gaza and
elsewhere.

But to have this
happen now in the GOP side, the
Republican side, means that the vast body
politic in the United States is now
opposed to Israel. And it seems
that this is literally going to lead to isolation, and
is going to have consequences. What kind
of consequences do you believe those
will be, Alastair? Because right now
many people see Israel as
out of control, and doing as
much as it can to commit as much brutality to achieve its
erstwhile ends, or at least its so-called
stated ends.

Well, yes. I would just like to add, before I
leave the subject, that one of the things that's quite
striking is that the young are very religious, and so
in a sense we're seeing something of an
eschatological conflict coming out, the
eschatology of Israel, and of
the Talmud and Torah, and on the other
side that of the New Testament. And
it's giving it a slightly different identity,
when you ask what is going to happen. I think
it's pretty clear. Israel is
deeply deeply divided. I mean, it's
on the edge of civil war.
For many Israelis, particularly the
more secular European
liberal Israelis, the people you'd meet
more in Tel Aviv and Herzelia, those
people came to Israel
not to take part in what Smotrich
called "a war of conquest,"
and restoring Israel,
they came there for safety, they left Europe because they
didn't feel safe. They came to Israel
as a place of safety, a place where they felt
protected, and now that's gone completely. It went actually
on the 7th of October, or two years
ago, and now it's like, how are they going to
protect themselves when they are at war
with most of the Middle East?
Israel has attacked, I think, six countries,
or six places at least in the last few
weeks. It was not just
Gaza and the West Bank, but it was also
Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, and Tunis.
It is a sort of maestro approach to the law of
the jungle.

And what I think we're seeing,
which is so important, is that Israel is
abandoning all the norms of
politics, not just the
norms, but the laws, the institutions
that regulate international politics,
and also of course dismissing the UN
charter. It is a really deliberate tearing up of the
international
structure, a deliberate
tearing up, to give them room
to do whatever they choose, wherever they
want, and whenever they want, by military
force. So it's been quite deliberate. You can see
a breach of norms in every area.

What was the attack on
Iran about? There were many reasons,
but one of them was that they
could break that norm, as well as
others. The attack on Doha is
another case where they said, "Nope,
none of those old understandings exist
anymore. They're broken. We don't accept
them. We don't abide by them. It's the
war of the jungle we are engaged in now.
And we will win, because we are clever,
and we have an effective military force
that we can impose on other
states." And that's where they have gone in the
assumption that they can ultimately win.

There is one piece missing to this
winning and we all know what that is.
It's Iran. That is the piece that they
feel is missing. Iran has to be, if you
like, normalized one way or the other, or
balkanized, and turned into a Syria of
competing desperate groups killing each
other, and fighting amongst themselves. That was always the norm a long
time ago. Even Ben Gurion talked about the
desire to have
the region fighting amongst itself,
because then it's weak compared with
Israel. So that was always the prospect.
That is the missing part.
So I think we will see a doubling down of that.

Now what is quite apparent, and there was an article about
this just recently, that Netanyahu, and [inaudible] know the bad press
that Israel is getting. They know what's
said in the international press. They
know that they've lost
international support quite widely. But
what was said in this article, which
I think is written by someone who's well
informed, was they don't care. Netanyahu
and [inaudible] are not bothered. Why are
they not bothered? They should be. Why
are they not bothered? For one reason,
and that one reason is known as Mr.
Trump. And they make this very clear. So
long as we have Trump, we don't give a damn what the world
is saying about us. "We have Trump," and that's
their answer to this question. But this means we're going to see it doubling
down, and they will continue to double
down and push the boundaries
as hard as they can, and as far as they
can in this period.

So it opens up other big questions
that we have avoided, questions of why is it that
the United States has not sought
either to criticize or restrain
Israel's military actions that are
clearly illegal, and against all
humanitarian laws. Why has that
happened? And why is it that we see
the United States moving
not just to avoid criticism of Israel,
but actually moving to adopt many of Israel's ways
of war. It's the United States that
used guile to lure Hezbollah, and then
Iran, and then Hamas in
in Doha into a situation where they were
all together for "decapitation", for
collective decapitation of it's
leadership. It is the United
States that has supported decapitation itself in Yemen. It was
America saying that they
wanted, I think it was Hegseth who said
that our aim in Yemen
is to decapitate the leadership. These are changes in
the global foreign policy sphere which
are very significant, and looking now at what's
happening offshore in Venezuela, these boats that are being
attacked, and everyone on board being vaporized. So
what's going on? I don't know, but it looks as if Mr.
Trump is very frustrated
by the situation he's in of
not having the foreign policy successes,
or financial war successes he hoped. And he
seems to be turning toward, following, and emulating
Mr. Netanyahu, and emulating his
military strategies.

And the
background to this, the reason why
Trump seems unable to move away
from this complete support of Israel, we don't
know. There is an unknown reason
in this, and it's a very important point one.

This also puts him in direct tension with his
own base, because he is continuing to
support Israel. Look what's happening these
days while we're talking In Gaza,
the sheer destruction, the killing,
everything is putting him
directly at odds with his own base.
And we know that Trump said to
Netanyahu that "we are losing the
young. "And he acknowledged the vibe.
saying "we are losing Congress too." And [inaudible] and
Netanyahu just smile, and say, "Yes, that's
right," in the knowledge that they have
Trump by some reason or another. So it's
changing western, European policies,
shaping it in a different world outside of
the charter of the United Nations,
international law, and the old
conventions, the Vienna convention,
and the other treaties that that have
regulated life.

But the thing that
Netanyahu said, which has shocked the
public, is "actually, we are little Sparta now. And everyone has
to get used to the fact that we are under siege.
We will not be able to live off
other states, to trade with other states
as we used to." And indeed, the
Europeans have begun moving in
that direction, slowly as usual, but they
are tentatively moving in that
direction.

So he says, "We are going to
become an autarchy [A condition of absolute power; self-government; a condition of economic self-sufficiency or national independence.] and we are
going to become self-sufficient in
military equipment." I mean, I don't think it's
even possible to become self-sufficient in
air defenses. I know they regard
themselves as very technically
innovative, but the air defenses they have now
are not really very great.

So what's going to happen is of
course, we are going to move to the next
thing which is war with Iran. And this is
going to be a really major, major affair.
And that is going to change
the course of the Middle East.

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Max Blumenthal: Charlie Kirk, Israel, and war with Iran
by Community Church of Boston
Sep 25 2025



Transcript

Friends, welcome. Thank you so much for joining us today. It's a very important
and special evening because we have a very important and special guest joining us today. Max Blumenthal is here to talk
about his significant and groundbreaking investigative journalism.
Max Blumenthal is a legendary investigative journalist.
He has met with and interviewed world leaders. He is a published author
of multiple books, including this one, "The Management of Savagery," and others,
such as "Goliath" and "Republican Gamora." He's a documentary filmmaker,
and the editor-in-chief of the Greyzone News.

And most important of all, he's my friend. So, Max, welcome.
Thank you so much for being here.

Good to see you, Omar.

There's so much to talk about and not
that much time, so let's get right into it. You've produced some investigative journalism, which I don't think it's a hyperbole to say it's been earth shaking. That's how I describe it. I
hold here in my hand an article from your website, and it's titled
"Charlie Kirk refused Netanyahu funding offer, was quote "frightened" by pro-Israel
forces before death his friend reveals. The sub headline says, "A Trump insider
and longtime friend of Charlie Kirk tells the Greyzone how the assassinated conservative leaders, turning point on Israeli influence, provoked a private backlash from Netanyahu's allies
that left him angry and afraid." The source said anxiety spread within the Trump administration after an apparent Israeli spying operation was uncovered. Max,
could you speak to us more about this reporting?

Well, there are different angles to
explore with this reporting, and I'm still doing more. I think everyone watching this who follows US politics
closely, was familiar with Charlie Kirk's retrograde views on race,
and so many other social issues, and the role that he played was very
divisive by design. He was backed by industry, by finance, by the 1%
essentially, to register voters for the Republican party, to ram through more
laws, reducing their tax burden, and pitting people against each other so
they could basically run away with what's left of our public assets. That was the role he always played. That's how I always understood him. I saw him as sort of like the
youth voice of Conservative Incorporated, which was an astroturfed movement
backed by industry.

Then something changed. Basically, our
country is changing. But Charlie Kirk started to change, at least on this one issue, because of the branding of the movement that he had become a leader within
America first to make America great again. Donald Trump comes to the fore, and is
representing this backlash of anger about not just
the predominance of liberalism within established institutions, but also anger
at the economic crisis, the housing collapse which went unredressed in the
Obama administration with the bankers bailed out, and the Iraq war. There were a lot of populist elements
within the Trump coalition. And once it became clear, especially
after October 7th, that Israel was playing a malign role, not only within
our country, but through its cutouts in Washington, and
across the country, to dictate policy decisions, including decisions that
counteracted American interests, that undermined American interests, a
new movement started to emerge during Donald Trump's first term within the conservative right-wing
grassroots, who took it directly to Charlie Kirk. This first played out
through the TPUSA campus tours that Charlie Kirk ran with an $80 million budget to
propagandize college students under the guise of debate, and
right-wing activists from a group called the Gruypers would line up at the microphone to challenge Charlie Kirk from the right on the US relationship with Israel, bringing up things like the Israeli's
deliberate attack on the USS Liberty, which was basically a spy ship the US Navy deployed
in the Suez crisis in 1967, killing over 60 US sailors. At which point, Charlie Kirk would shut down the debate immediately. At one point he actually brought up the fact that Israel
allows gay pride parades in Tel Aviv as a point of defending Israel, which I mean, he's not pro-gay, so it really exposed him as kind of a phony in front of his own base, and it wasn't popular.

After October 7th the bottom starts to fall out among people under 35 in the US
for supporting Israel. It wasn't just the genocide, although that was a major factor on the Left in the progressive grassroots, but on the Right, it was really the spectacle of Netanyahu just
dominating the United States, and being welcomed as the real leader every time he came to Washington, getting more standing ovations than the president, and clearly trying to drive the US into a war with Iran. And Charlie Kirk had to finally address that. And he would swing back and forth. He would make disgusting statements denying famine in Gaza, and then the next thing you know, he's platforming the most popular critics of Israel within the conservative movement: Tucker Carlson; Marjorie Taylor Greene; comic Dave Smith, a libertarian anti-Zionist Jewish comedian, who debated on stage at TPUSA's student
action summit in Tampa, Florida last July; and Megan Kelly, the former Fox News host, speculated that Jeffrey Epstein was a Mossad asset.

And following that summit, Charlie Kirk fell under enormous pressure from the donors who had been funding him ever since he founded TPUSA in 2012. Donors like Robert Schillman, who is one of the most extreme pro-Israel donors in the US., donates simply so he can make sure that the
United States, and particularly Republican oriented institutions, do whatever Netanyahu and Israel wants. And Schillman grew outraged that Charlie Kirk was allowing this to take place at
his events. Also other donors, like Bill Ackman, were worried, and wanted to make sure that Tucker Carlson didn't speak at another Charlie Kirk event. Bill Ackman was mocked on stage. He is one of the key billionaire Zionist cutouts for Netanyahu in the United States, a sort of financial manager. He was mocked on stage at a TPUSA event by Tucker Carlson as a scam artist, who basically made his money out
of nothing, and had no talents, and contributed nothing to society. And Ackman wanted Charlie Kirk to block Tucker Carlson from being his keynote speaker at this upcoming December summit.

So all this is something I've been following closely. And I was thrilled by the reaction from the crowd at TPUSA to everything that was being said on stage, because it showed there was a rebellion taking place in the last bastion of grassroots support that Israel enjoyed. And I understood that Israel was already throwing as much money as it could at the problem to basically pay influencers. And they were very focused on America first, the anti-woke influencers. They were flying them all to Israel, and we could see it all unfolding. They were trying to buy as many young, attractive, women, or black influencers, Latino
influencers, in an all-out exploitation fest. The Israeli Foreign Ministry had ponied up $150 million per year for this.

So I knew that the pressure would be coming down on Charlie Kirk and his organization, but I didn't understand the full extent of it until he was killed. After he was killed, Netanyahu came out and tried to claim Charlie Kirk's name, his legacy, and claim him as a very close friend. Netanyahu, in a Fox News
interview soon after the killing, blamed Islam and the Left, before we even knew who the suspect was. He was also trying to direct Americans' rage against Netanyahu's enemies, the enemies of
Israel. And speaking to a longtime friend of Charlie Kirk, I knew these sources through the grapevine, because the Trump world is actually more accessible than the world of Biden, Obama, or the Clintons, who are much more cut off from alternative media, they told me that he hated Netanyahu, that he considered Netanyahu a bully, that he considered him a manipulator. And when Netanyahu invited him to Israel two weeks before his death, as Netanyahu said in one of his many videos about Charlie Kirk's death, Charlie Kirk refused. But Netanyahu never said if Kirk accepted or not, and he was holding a letter that I think Charlie Kirk wrote to him, but he didn't read the entire thing.

So that was the first part of my reporting. I wrote three installments of this investigation. The first one, within a few hours, had gone viral. It had like 100,000 views just on our website alone. It was clear I was really speaking to something real. And I started to get approached by more sources on the right, people I'd never talked to before, who were just wanting to pour their hearts out to me about their experiences in right-wing media, and conservative MAGA activist circles like TPUSA, how controlled it was by this Zionist donor class that was answering to Israel, and how there was no space for them to speak out about it.

I produced a second investigation based on rumors I was hearing that I was exploring. I managed to nail down this influencer summit convened by Bill Ackman in the Hamptons, working with Charlie Kirk, where things got even more uncomfortable, in early August. And Charlie Kirk, at some point he was screamed at by some of the Zionist influencers who were there questioning the Netanyahu imposed line.
And he complained of "moral blackmail" happening in this summit. Bill Ackman
called this a complete lie, but he actually covered up the fact that the summit ever took place. And what was the real agenda of this summit? It was to buy impressions, and millions of clicks for Israel among very avaricious, vapid young conservative influencers, who
are basically actors, or political prostitutes, for whoever will buy them. And Charlie Kirk was supposed to preside over the whole thing.

So he comes out of that summit and goes on Megan Kelly's podcast where he vents, and is clearly very angry. He's basically in a state of psychological agony. And he complains that he has less ability to criticize Israel than an Israeli does. And it's because of what he calls "stakeholders," referring to the big Jewish Zionist donors that made him who he was. He basically signed up for that.

It kind of reminds me of the plot of this early 90s pulp book, "The Firm," which was made into a film starring Tom Cruz, where once you join the Firm, you are not allowed to leave, or you will be eliminated. Do I think Charlie Kirk was eliminated by Israel? I have no evidence of that. But they were moving towards
a political attack on him which was already playing out through Netanyahu's cutouts in the media. Ben Shapiro was attacking him. Mark Levin was attacking him. Laura Loomer was attacking him, who is someone making personnel and policy decisions inside the White House. That's more like the Israeli MO. It was already playing out, and he was complaining about it in public.

And subsequent to the second part of my investigation, I learned that Robert Schillman is the key funder of the Islamophobia industry in the US, as well as the most anti-Palestinian organizations across the Atlantic. He's also funding the anti-Islam hooligan Tommy Robinson, who's leading a race war in the UK. He funds Geert Wilders, the Dutch politician who has called to ban the Quran. And he's funded Laura Loomer. And Bob Schillman defunds Charlie Kirk. I heard he donated over $6 million to TPUSA. He cancelled, according to sources, a plaque that was going to be erected honoring him inside TPUSA's office complex in Phoenix.

I also learned that Charlie Kirk was being managed on a daily level by a right-wing, Israeli funded, rabbi from the US named Chaim Ben Pesach (also known as Chaim Ben Yosef), [American activist and leader of the Kahanist group Jewish Task Force.] And there were small Zoom sessions that Charlie Kirk had to call into with Bill Ackman, a fanatically anti-Palestinian venture capitalist from Sequoia Capital named Shawn Maguire, and Joshua Hammer, who's one of Netanyahu's key voices in the media, and his editor at large at
Newsweek. He's the guy who debated Dave Smith at TPUSA for Israel. And they were explicitly feeding him talking points, and telling him what to say, because they were afraid of what was going to take place on his upcoming campus tour which began September 10th at Utah Valley University. And Pesach, the self-appointed Zionist manager, said that Charlie Kirk was pushing back on a lot of the things they were telling him to say, that he had fallen under the influence of the media, and of people close to him, who were pushing him in another direction, which probably refers to people like Tucker Carlson. And they so they were deeply concerned, and they were trying to make a WhatsApp group with him so he could be fed talking points minute by minute. I mean, that's not something you do to someone you feel comfortable with as an Israel advocate, because they were not able to get access to him just through personal bon ami. And it wasn't clear that Charlie Kirk particularly liked them. They were just kicking down a lot of money to his organization, and holding money over his head.

So he's killed on September 10th at this event under very strange circumstances. Anyone who's extremely online is not believing the official story. And it's increasingly unclear what the official story is when the FBI director himself says they're exploring different angles that the sniper might have taken, as well as multiple accomplices. And a conspiracy theory develops online, which I was not responsible for. In my first installment of this investigative series, I explicitly said there is no evidence the Israeli government played a role in Charlie Kirk's killing. I called it "an unsubstantiated theory." But others just ran with it. And it seemed to make sense to them, considering that Netanyahu is at the helm of an historically unparalleled global assassination apparatus that even weaponizes household communication goods to kill people, referring to pagers. So for them it seemed to add up. Charlie Kirk was leaving the Firm. Israel has the ability to kill people anywhere. They weren't being told the truth. And that just exploded online to the point where Netanyahu has had to come out twice and deny assassinating Charlie Kirk. Once out of his own volition; he wasn't even asked during an interview. He decided to make a video on his personal channel denying killing Charlie Kirk. I've never seen it happen where a foreign leader denies killing an American public figure. And it could only be Netanyahu, because no other foreign leader enjoys that level
of influence over not just American politics, but over American life itself, over American entertainment, over American finance. Netanyahu is the embodiment of Zionist occupied territory.

So he came out and felt compelled to deny it. My theory is that for once Netanyahu was innocent, and he just wanted everyone to know. But who knows?

The takeaway is that my investigative reporting has given the conservative grassroots, who are sick of being bossed around by the cutouts of a foreign country, one that also happens to be an occupying genocidal entity, given them a voice, and they're more emboldened to speak out now. And this rebellion in the conservative grassroots is only going to grow. And why is this such a problem for Netanyahu, and why are they throwing so much money at this particular constituency and demographic in the US? Two reasons. One is obviously because Trump is President. And in order to influence the President, they need to keep his base on his side. The other reason, which is more of a long-term problem, is that Israel needs white Christian conservative men, who increasingly make up a disproportionate portion of the enlisted military ranks, as well as military leadership, needs them to fight their wars. They have to go to war for Israel. They have to go fight Iran. And if the next round of conflict with Iran doesn't go well, Netanyahu wants US boots on the ground. It's the only way he believes regime change can take place in Iran. And that is his endgame. That is the ultimate endgame of Netanyahu, and everyone who will come in his wake.

So this is such a significant pivotal moment. I guess you could call it a turning point in the USA, where not only the traditional bases of opposition to Israeli apartheid, and Israeli control, are more mobilized than
ever, but a rebellion is taking place within the traditional base of pro-Israel support. And it's
only growing and accelerating.

If two parties are engaged in a debate or in a conflict,
if either of those parties feels confident in their position,
there's really no need to engage in censorship or coercion. So this meeting
you reported on with Charlie Kirk and the H Hamptons being pressured by Bill
Aman or even this bigger story in the media about
uh the guy from Oracle Larry Ellison buying CBS News and also trying to buy
CNN. Doesn't that indicate a lack of confidence in their own position?
Yeah, completely. Because I mean, what was CBS? What has C they're going to
make a bid on CNN as well. What has CNN been? They've been reliably
propagandizing and manufacturing consent for Israel's genocide since October 7th.
Um, and now they cannot even be depended on these legacy media assets which are
mostly watched by older Americans over the age of 60.
So they're moving in to buy every media asset possible. And then there's Tik Tok. Tik Tok played a democratizing or
some would say radicalizing factor after October 7th because it gave so many talented young content creators the
ability to educate people about Palestine. And pe so many young people were seeing the images we all see of
children being shredded, neighborhoods being destroyed. And it was having an impact to the point
where Ted Cruz from his Senate committee demanded it be shut down because it was
simply too pro Palestine because it gave a voice to young people. You just can't
let the youth have a voice. Jonathan Greenblat, the ADL director, went to
testify in the Israeli Knesset and declared that ad the ADL should be
the the way to stop it is to basically buy it. He said just find some billionaires to buy it. We need to
embrace the same spirit that led to the pager operation in Lebanon in order to
stop anti-Israel media. That's almost word for word what he said in the
Knesset. So, it fell to one of the richest Americans who is a longtime CIA
contractor whose company was spawned out of the CIA. Larry Ellison at Oracle.
someone who is an ultra- Zionist who's hosted Netanyahu on his private Hawaiian island, Ellison's Island, whose son,
David Ellison, was recently exposed through leaked emails by the journalist
Jack Pollson for coordinating against the Palestine Solidarity Movement with
the Israeli leadership and who now plans to oversee the purchase of CBS News from
Viacom and install Barry Weiss the key voice and media denmother of the
Zionist.1% in the United States as executive editor. So, it's just going to
be naked unshathed Zionist propaganda plus lots of anti-woke content. And the
way that I a lot of Democrats see this media takeover is that they they think they call it a
proTrump takeover, but they're only seeing the clouds and not they're not
able to see the the sky behind the clouds or the
you know they they they're being myopic here. Israel has taken over Trump
and so any proTrump content is being managed by Netanyahu's cutouts
Ellison Barry Weiss. Uh CBS just had a a
uh ombbudsman installed who's a veteran is Israel lobbyist named David Weissman from the Hudson Institute. So proTrump
is basically Israeli controlled and that's what this is about. And they're
not going to stop there. They're basically trying to retrench control because they have lost the PR battle.
They've lost the political battle after October 7th. Even though they believe that they've won the military battle,
but I think uh they may have won a pirick victory there.
I'm going to read a sentence or two from your article.
According to Kirk's friend, who also enjoyed access to President Donald Trump and his inner circle, Kirk strongly
warned Trump last June against bombing Iran on Israel's behalf. Charlie was the
only person who did that. Uh the source said, recalling how Trump quote barked
at him in response and angrily shut down the conversation. The source believes that the incident
confirmed in Kirk's mind that the president of the United States had fallen under the control of a malign
foreign power and was leading his own country into a series of disastrous
conflicts. Max, when you spoke with us in June in the middle of the so-called 12-day war,
you said to us at that time and you said elsewhere that you think that Trump is
afraid of Israel. Since then, since the assassination of Charlie Kirk, you've
doubled down on that claim. Can you please explain to our audience again why
you say that? Well, first of all, that those lines you read were corroborated days after I
reported them by Vice President J. Dance, who was seated in Charlie Kirk's
chair hosting his show uh after his death. He said that Charlie
Kirk did go to the White House and lobbyed against striking Iran.
He didn't have the details I had on Trump, but he probably was there, but didn't want to embarrass Trump. But of
course, Trump was afraid. Of course, Trump is completely controlled and cowed and cucked by Netanyahu. That's why
Netanyahu, according to Tucker Carlson, someone who's much more
connected than I am to Trump world, said that Netanyahu is running around the region bragging about controlling
uh Donald Trump. I mean, Netanyahu has said this openly about the US before, or
at least he said it in private, and the video was leaked in 2001. He was bragging to a small group of settlers
uh in a sort of h and he didn't I don't think he knew he was being filmed. He
said the US is a thing you can move easily. So this is textbook Netanyahu.
How does he control Washington? Through Apac. They control the Congress.
They control media through assets cutouts like Larry Ellison. They're controlling Trump through Miriam Ad.
They're controlling Marco Rubio through Paul Singer, his largest donor, who is a
just a neocon representing Israel. Ike Pearlmutter, longtime donor to TPUSA,
also big donor to Trump. He's another pro-Netanyahu donor. Ron Lauder, there
are so many of them. Actually, if you're watching this now, you can look up Netanyahu's millionaire and billionaire list, and you can find online a
handwritten list of millionaires and billionaires inside the United States that Netanyahu uses personally. He he
personally wrote this list up to exert control over US politicians. But then
there's the assassination factor. Donald Trump has faced two assassination attempts. The trial of one of his
would-be assassins, Ryan Ralph, just wrapped up. And with very little fanfare or media
interest, Ralph was sentenced to life in prison. Tried to stab himself in the neck with a pen before he went to
prison. None of his links, direct links to Ukraine were mentioned. Ryan Ralph was
recruiting for Ukraine's international brigade in Kiev. He had had meetings
with the Helsinki Commission on Capitol Hill. He I mean this this is strange and
none of it is mentioned today. And we scarcely ever hear about the first
assassination attempt which missed Trump's head by a few millimeters in Pennsylvania.
And now there is a third major assassination that took down Trump's
top I would say like his top activist operating in the field. Someone who is on his way on a trajectory towards
running for the presidency probably would have gone into the Senate or been a governor at some point.
And you don't think that Trump is frightened? I mean the whole con the whole 1% right now is frightened of the
adventurous violence that's unfolding. Luigi Manion scared the
financial elite. Steve Bannon actually gave a speech or you know participated
in a panel speaking to some Silicon Valley I think a Silicon Valley audience or it might
have been in Aspen but I think it was in Silicon Valley and he basically said this guy Luigi Manion just walked up and
killed some healthc care executive and they're just going to come for you and MAGA will protect you from them. That's
why you need to support Donald Trump because we will protect the rich from the violence of the left. And so that
was their message for months. And then I mean they can't even protect their own guy. He's like hunted in public.
Shot down it in the most dramatic way possible. His security team seemed to
have no way of preventing it. Imagine a US president
angering a figure as powerful as Netanyahu who
commands assassins around the globe.
What what would go through your head if you decided to withhold weapons to
Israel and adamantly refused any of their lobbying minations? What would
they do? How would they stop you? And what would
happen if the weapons stopped coming? For them, it would be existential. They would no longer they believe they would
no longer be able to survive. So, I think Donald Trump understands this. But this is also something that I've been
told by people who know Trump, who've been close to him, and I've known for
years that he believed there would be assassination attempts on him, not necessarily from Israel. So, I believe
this is in his mind. And I also heard from someone who has very good access into
the White House, inside the White House, and I've talked about this for the past week or so, I've been talking about it
for like two weeks, that during one of Netanyahu's visits to Washington, or
possibly during two earlier this year, agents of Israel placed electronic
devices on the emergency mergency response vehicles of the C secret
service which would presumably respond to an attempt on the president's life
and the Secret Service found them. I thought, you know, this could be crazy
and I should consider whether I'm just being like fed some kind of conjecture,
some hearsay. But there's a clear precedent there when in 2019,
three former senior US officials who had been Trump officials,
one of them might have even been like John Bolton, you know, it wasn't Bolton, but three
like national security officials went to Politico and said that Israel had placed Stingray devices, these are cell phone
surveillance devices in and around the White House to spy on Donald Trump's cell phone communications.
The NSA has concluded that Israel is the greatest spying threat to the US. In
2017, British former Prime Minister Boris Johnson, sorry, Brit in his well, he he
was British Prime Minister Boris Johnson in his memoir wrote that Benjamin Netanyahu had used his personal toilet
and afterwards his security detail found a listening device placed in the bathroom by
Netanyahu personally. And you have to start wondering based on the political report who could get access to the White
House to place Stingray devices. It's not just any random Israeli agent. There
are people who get access through Netanyahu or through highlevel Israeli visitors.
So that's that's what Donald Trump and any US president are dealing with. And they're all cowed. They all just
completely crumble in front of Netanyahu who is absolutely ruthless. So I started
reporting this weeks ago, two weeks ago about these listening devices on the Secret Service vehicles. I was just in
New York and we can talk about this for the UNGA, the UN General Assembly, and it was the most militarized I've ever
seen New York probably since 911, but period. I've been around several UNGAAS
and I've never seen it that militarized. Like Amnesty International had a meeting and there were snipers on the roof
outside. Um the meeting I was in yesterday was just teeming with security, which we'll
talk about. But leading up to the UNGA, the Secret Service found thousands of
SIM cards containing spying devices in order to spy on diplomats phones as well
as listening devices placed around the area. Now, who would have been responsible for that? Could it have been
the Israeli government and its leader Benjamin Netanyahu who just a week
before speaking to state lawmakers from the US in Jerusalem said Israel is
inside your phone. Of course, he meant it in a different way that Israeli technology has revolutionized a cell
phone, but there was a strong tinge of irony to his comments considering how
much surveillance he's applying to a government that claims to be Israel's most unshakable ally. Israel's not an
ally. It's ruling through manipulation and fear inside the United States.
It's exerting power through manipulation and fear inside the United States and inside the Oval Office. And it's
surviving through continuous genocide in its own region.
It's it's amazing. It's incredible that Boris Johnson wrote in his memoir that
Netanyahu himself placed a listening device in his bathroom and that also the Secret Service found tracking devices on
vehicles. Max, you were in New York yesterday and
among other things, you also met with the president of Iran. Yeah. Talk to us about that meeting.
Yeah. I've been doing so many of these interviews about Charlie Kirk. I haven't gotten a chance to write up this meeting
which was at a hotel on the sidelines of the UNGA immediately after Iranian
President Masud Peshkan met with Emanuel Mcronone to discuss the looming and very
hypocritical snapback sanctions that France, the UK, and Germany are planning to impose on Iran for supposedly
violating an Iranian a P5 5 plus1
nuclear deal which the United States shredded in 2018.
Um it's funny how only Iran has to comply with the deal that no one else complies with. And so he was late for
the meeting and I gathered in a hotel lobby passing through airport style
security very militarized setting. And in the lobby, I saw many of the people that we
would recognize as sort of the voices and faces of the anti-war movement in
the US, including people more on the conservative side who would get branded
like isolationists, but you know, it couldn't be more fairly described as like restrainers or
realists. Uh there were several analysts there from think tanks and
u very but it was but it was a very good crowd that was of of all people who were
opposed for various reasons to a US war with Iran. Now, last year I met with
Peskan at the UNGA in a similar setting, but the meeting was composed mostly of
mainstream media bigwigs including like Lester Holt, Andrea Mitchell, Robin
Wright from the New Yorker, uh, figures from the Washington Post. Iran
was speaking to a different audience this time because it recognized that the mainstream media would not had had
delivered nothing for it and that it was seeking uh a voice a direct channel to
the Biden administration then. But now there's no one to talk to in Washington
because Donald Trump had potentially set them up for the unprovoked Israeli assault last June in which their
commanding generals, their nuclear scientists, and their
civilians were slaughtered in their beds in again an unprovoked attack, including
by Mossad agents inside the country. And Israel did it with the knowledge that Donald Trump would come in in the end
and quote unquote finish this round of the conflict by bombing Natans and Fordo
and supposedly wiping out Iran's nuclear facilities and ending its uranium
stockpile. Of course, it failed to do that and now another round is inevitable. And so this meeting was
convened under the premise that Iran would be attacked again by Israel with
the expectation that the U US under Trump who Israel controls will
come in and finish the job when Israel gets in trouble which it will and it will get into military trouble again.
And Miss Peshkan said openly, "War is coming back to Iran for sure, and if
they assassinate me, there are five people ready to stand in my wake and
fill my shoes." It was a very grim and disturbing comment. He slammed Steve
Witoff, the negotiator who had been overseeing nuclear talks that Iran's
government got involved in the um last spring and summer under a
deadline or a sort of damocles declared by Donald Trump but imposed by Israel. And he said that Wickoff would
sit there in Doha and make all these positive statements about how much he cared about um peace and that he would
abide by all of these um uh you know he he would restore
essentially restore the the the nuclear deal that had been signed in 2015 and then he would go back to Washington and
say the exact opposite and basically echo the Apac line. He said, "I wish
someone had recorded these meetings." He was a complete liar. I mean, he just basically said, "Whitkoff can't be
trusted." I asked Peskan directly about a speech that Iran's leader Ayatollah
Alame made on September 23rd, which was last Tuesday, where he slammed
negotiations, said that they are a declaration of surrender, that if we negotiate again by the US, we might as
well just surrender and that it would be complete folly. Jame warned last time that negotiations
would lead to more sanctions and war, but the Iranian government, the reformist government went into them
anyway. And Peskan didn't address my question directly when I asked if the
leader's statement is reflective of his position. But you can clearly see that
he does not trust the Americans and expects war to come. Whether he
negotiates or not, he's under enormous pressure back home from the principalist
elements uh those who are regarded in the west as hardliners
and doesn't have a lot of political space I think to to u re-enter
negotiations and so
there's a tight window for Isra within which Isra Israel can attack. That's
what I get from talking to analysts in the US and Iran that I trust who've been
generally right about things. And the window may have been expanded by
Israel's insane assault on inside Qatar, a US
ally that hosts the largest US military base in the region to wipe out the
negotiating team and end negotiations with Hamas. But it probably will close around
December because of congressional midterms and because Israel fears that
Iran has uh begun repairing its multi-layered air defense system and
restoring its ballistic missile capacity. In other words, its deterrence. And so Israel is going to
just attack again. And we can see the writing on the wall.
Marco Rubio was just summoned to Jerusalem by his masters. Kissed the
wall or aipa alongside reciprocal Israeli US ambassador and Christian
Zionist fanatic Mike Huckabe. I wonder what was being discussed there. are now Netanyahu,
a wanted I a wanted war criminal under ICC indictment, flew over most European
countries, circumvented Portugal and Spain, and is in New York now, and he's
going to be pushing for more war. So, what we're witnessing right now, I think, is the beginning of another Israeli push for war with Iran that will
necessarily involve the US. and Iran's president was sending the message to the
American people through us, the part of the American public that understands the stakes
from on the left and the right. Um that
we we need we can't allow this to happen. That's that that was his agenda. And uh he also spoke about his desire
for a more progressive social environment in Iran that provides
women and um ethnic and religious minorities with more rights. Of course,
ethnic and religious minorities in Iran have rights under the constitution, which they don't have in Israel, which
actually has no constitution. And I'll be releasing a documentary fairly soon about my interactions with
Iranian Jews while I was there. But this was the sort of reformist side of Peskan. He was also speaking about
friendly relations with neighbors like Azarbaijan, which was used as a base for Israeli attacks on Iran.
overall a a meeting that uh didn't contain the most substantial
I mean from from Peskian standpoint the comments weren't especially substantial
or concrete but the general tone of the meeting was dire because of the
imminence of war. This isn't the story that we'll hear on
the corporate media, but you and others who've spoken with us such as Chaz
Freeman, Muhammad Mandi, many other credible voices, they said that in this
last round of fighting, the so-called 12-day war between Israel and Iran, it's pretty much a consensus among these
credible voices that it was Israel who tapped out because Iran was penetrating
their air defense and they were having trouble withstanding Iran's targeted attacks on their military
institutions. So, if the last round of fighting between Israel and Iran didn't
go as Israel expected, who's to say that the next round will? Yeah, it won't. Um, and many many if not
all Iranians that I spoke to, like all of them who I met on my trip who have different very different perspectives.
Like I got to meet people from all walks of life and very from very different perspectives. They believed that Iran
would have won a war of attrition and they were disappointed that the war ended when it did. And we've since
learned that Israel suffered much more damage financially or economically and structurally than we knew because of
their censorship regime. The
US role in Israel needs to be understood better
because it was deeply damaging to the long-term designs of US empire for the
US to be engaged at that level. And the faction, like you could call it the Vance faction in the Trump
administration that opposed war with Iran and lost the
debate, their motives are different than ours. We just, you know, maybe first and
foremost, we don't we want to save lives uh and we oppose US empire because it's
ruthless and rapacious and violent. They want war with China because China
is emerging not just as a near-per competitor but is moving towards uh
superseding the US as a superpower through much more sophisticated
avenues of trade and economic ties and infrastructure belt and road in other
countries. And Trump has even said that bricks must be stopped. How are you
going to do that when you've wasted onethird of your entire THAAD stock, your stock of your most advanced
anti- your most advanced air defense interceptor missiles in 12 days? And it
takes a long time to repair those. How are you going to defend Taiwan? How are
you going to defend the Philippines or Japan, any of these frontline vassal
states that will do the bulk of the fighting and the dying against China? How can you do that? You cannot. And so
the conflict with China was actually set back. Ukraine was forced to transfer
Patriot batteries to Israel and THAAD systems in advance of the war
and Ukraine has suffered as a result. I mean that the proxy war in Ukraine has
suffered as a result. So from the point of view of just like raw imperial planning, if you're Elbridge Kby,
someone who's opposed the war with Iran because you want to confront China, this is a real drag and Israel is like a ball
and chain on the ankle of American empire and you just can't get them off you. And the war is coming again. you're
going to have to defend them again and and and it's going to be a more as
Peskan himself said, it will be a more violent conflict. And Iran claims they
have weapons that they had not deployed before. And I actually believe them
because of the way that they have staged the series of True Promise operations
with Israel. If you look at the first operation, True Promise,
this was all after October 7th. The targeting was either poor or
deliberately not very destructive. They used their older missile stocks. True Promise 2,
same thing. Although some of the targets that they started to approach were Mossad headquarters in Tel Aviv, and
they struck fear certainly into the hearts of the civilian population in Tel Aviv. True Promise 3. They broke
Israel's air defense system, which is the most advanced air defense system in the world. They broke through every layer of
it. Exposed the Arrow system as a paper tiger. Forced the US to come in with its
thads, destroyed the Whitesman Institute where Israel does nuclear and drone research. I mean, they were hitting
high-tech targets left and right. And Israel's only hope
uh is to be able to carry out standoff attacks over the Caspian Sea and be able
to take out as many ballistic missile batteries as possible before the
conflict gets too hot. And I think they've lost the advantage with a lot of the Mossad cells that they had
established inside Iran because Iran has found that many of the Mossad agents who
were recruited were poor migrants. I don't know if this is true. They carried out mass deportations of almost the
entire Afghan migrant population and they are in
um like lockdown mode hunting for Mossad
agents. Iran is a is it's not a police state. Like it's a very chaotic society
and it's hard for state security, the IRGC to keep tabs on everything. So, it would be easy to see how agents could be
recruited and they're enticed. I mean, we we published a piece exposing how
Israel, one of the um ways Israel recruits Mossad agents inside Iran and
in Europe, working in sensitive facilities, and they do it openly and offer them loads of money through crypto
channels. Um, they have tons of money to spare for these operations, but I think
they were weakened by the last round of conflict. I don't know what else Iran has up its sleeve, but closing the
straight of Hormuz would strangle the entire global economy and then Israel
would be blamed for wrecking the global economy. And uh this could happen ahead of
midterms and cost Trump dearly because of his close relationship with Netanyahu.
And I think it's almost certainly going to happen. A few minutes ago, you said something
along the lines of that the Israeli influence over the United States needs
to be better understood. That Israeli influence over the United States, that's
something that apparently was very much frustrating Charlie Kirk in the last
days, last weeks of his life. I'm going to read a quote now from his friend and
former colleague, Candace Owens. Candace Owens said, quote, I think in
the end, Charlie was going through a spiritual transformation.
I know he was going through a lot. There was a lot of pressure and it's hard for
me to watch the people who were pressuring him just say the things that they're saying. Uh, she continued, "They
wanted him to lose everything for changing or even slightly modifying an opinion. It's very hurtful to me."
That's what Candace Owens said. I think that's a very profound
statement or observation by her. And I think it's hard to know. I think it's
impossible for people to know what's inside a person's heart and soul. I think as a Muslim, I think only God
knows that. But I think evidence that supports her claim that Charlie Kirk was going through a spiritual transformation. There's evidence to
support that. Such as he was lobbying Trump against going to war with Iran. He was resisting pressure from people like
Bill Aman and Benjamin Netanyahu. That's very significant and important context
to understand in the story of Charlie Kirk for many reasons. One of those reasons I
think is that people like Bill Aman and Benjamin Netanyahu as you've said Max have been
praising Charlie Kirk and talking about their association with him in a very
positive light but they're leaving out the fact that he rejected a recent invitation to visit Netanyahu. He was
resisting pressure from Bill Aman and others.
So, in a way, these people like Aman and Netanyahu, they're perverting the truth.
Well, this was something Candace said right after Charlie Kirk's death. And
so, she hadn't found her voice yet because it just was inappropriate to
launch into a political palemic. But what she said set the stage for everything else and has been proven
correct through my reporting, which is that a lot of these figures who
were many of them who were claiming Charlie Kirk's legacy as their own
from Netanyahu to Bill Aman were simply lying. And she did know that he was undergoing
a change. She was probably pushing him in that direction. She she certainly was
along with other figures. So, we'll never know where he would have led the conservative movement had he lived on. I
think if he had gone undergone a real spiritual transformation, he would have changed all of his views and disbanded
his organization. But that's just how I interpret the world. But on this point, she was also referring to rumors
which she knowing Charlie Kirk has better insight into than I do, that he
was actually getting interested in Catholicism. Charlie Kirk was a Christian Zionist who came out of
Protestant evangelical Christianity, which sees Israel as covenant land given
to the Jews by God to fulfill Revelation, which will eventually be the
landing pad for the Messiah and the basis of the rapture. and he was moving away from that, moving
away from his pastor, Rob McCoy, who's, you know, part of his basically part of
his organization and was beginning to attend Catholic mass with his wife. It's
true that he was attending Catholic mass with his wife and after his death, his
communications director, Andrew Kovit, sort of tried to spin it as they were just enjoying the view inside the
Catholic Church. But had he left Christian Zionism, that would have been a sign. And that was that that he was
moving the conservative seeking to move the conservative movement away
from Christian Zionism as well. There was nothing if he he was a figure that
sort of transcended Israeli influence, but at the same time he depended on the Zionist donor class, but he was a larger
than-l life figure within the conservative grassroots. So he had the capacity to lead them away from Christian Zionism. And again after his
death, Ben Shapiro, one of the leading Israel first voices in sort of
pseudoconservative conservative incorporated media,
co-hosted Charlie Kirk's show and announced that he was making a million dollar donation
to encourage uh more young people to come
to Christ. Very weird statement, especially from someone who doesn't
believe Christ is the is the Messiah because he's Jewish. But also weird because where did Ben
Shapiro get a million dollars? His organization, the Daily Wire, is collapsing. They canceled everyone's
credit cards last year. Their offices are shuttering there. It wasn't working. Ben Shapiro is like an astroturf fake
creation. No one actually likes listening to him. and and so he has a million dollars to
give to TPUSA to encourage people to come to Christ. That's not what's going
on there. Some Zionist billionaire gave him a million dollars to give to them so that they would encourage people to come
to Christian Zionism, which according to Candace Owens, Charlie Kirk was moving away from. So, we can clearly see what's
happening here. And who who's taking over TPUSA?
Charlie Kirk's wife, Erica Kirk, who is said to be a Catholic, who has not come out and shut Candace Owens down yet. I
don't know where she stands, but they are building her up at this point and using her to raise money over Charlie
Kirk's casket and they're basically promising her
political stardom in the future. So, is she going to actually take on the
Zionist donor class? I don't think so. I think they're going to come back in and use TPUSA to retrench their power in the
United States the same way that they did with that they're doing with CBS
and Tik Tok and every other entity that they can buy. And there's really nothing that I can see standing in their way
now. Max, I'm going to ask you two more questions and then we'll wrap up the
program. So, can you you you alluded to this earlier.
Can you talk to us in a little bit more detail about this article you wrote about mega donor to Charlie Kirk's
organization Robert Schillman and how I think I described it in in detail
so I don't have much more to add except that uh you know this was a closely
guarded secret and I'd heard rumors about him losing a big donor but I got a tip from a TPUSA insider and I learned
from a completely separate source who had attended a gala dinner for an
anti-Islam organization in Los Angeles called the American Freedom Alliance
that Bob Schillman had gotten up and given a speech and said he was cutting
Charlie Kirk off and basically grumbled about Charlie Kirk. And so I started
making phone calls to corroborate or confirm what that attendee told me. got
the president of that organization on the line. She wouldn't answer my question and hung up on me. I got the MC
of the event on the line. He wouldn't answer my question. He was at least polite and said he could neither confirm
nor deny. And then I got Bob Schulman himself on the line and he hung up on
me. So it seemed pretty clear that he was the donor and he has a history of doing this to organizations that he
funds. And that was a that cost him a lot of money. a lot of money. I mean, millions. They
have an $80 million budget and he was responsible for a a fairly substantial
portion of it. So, that that's the that's the kind of pressure that any major conservative
leader is under. That's the money they rely on along with industry money. A lot of that industry
money comes from oilmen or financeers who are themselves Christian Zionist.
And there are to my to my knowledge there are no Catholics in leadership positions at TPUSA. Like all of them are
evangelical Christians. It was basically like a Christian nationalist organization.
And Christian nationalism is has been synonymous with Christian
Zionism. But this shift is occurring. The the the the the issue is the
Republican party is so much more responsive to the donor class even more than the Democratic party that someone
like Marjgerie Taylor Green who will still be speaking I think at TPUSA's December conference and is the leading
critic of Israel in Congress, more critical than AOC, making much more substantial statements. She can't get
anything done in the Republican party. Like no one will join her. No one will co-sponsor anything Israel related with
her. And so that's a huge problem. To put it all into perspective,
another election's coming up. The country is more solidly against Israel
than ever before. It may not be pro Palestine, but they're just sick of Israel.
and uh there the the candidates that will be nominated or will v to for the
nomination in both parties will not answer these concerns in any substantial way. And so what we're going to see
increasingly is the lack of democracy in this country
and the how little voice we have. And so we have to force the issue.
We have to find new ways of forcing the issue. and it has to be done outside of
the two-party system. The last question I'll ask you tonight,
Max, is as far as you can tell or as far as you know, what is the current state
of Israel's genocide or ethnic cleansing of Gaza and the West Bank, too, I'll add.
Well, the West the the the the violence is intensifying in Gaza City Day after day. We're
getting less coverage of it because Israel has killed the top field correspondents, most recently Anasal
Sharif. That was by design, but you can see images of the families who are being
slaughtered in their homes in air strikes. Um, I think 170 were killed in
Gaza City in the in in across the Gaza Strip in the past day.
uh center of the Samir project which was supplying the north with aid. One of the last organizations supplying the north
with aid was struck by an Israeli bombing. And Israel is using these
remotec controlled vehicles to detonate explosives to blow
up entire neighborhoods in Gaza City. And they're doing this for the reason that uh I think it's Israeli housing
minister Leor Livnat stated in an interview in Israeli media which is to
uh destroy the city of Gaza so that they can never come back. She openly said that last May Netanyahu said we will
destroy their homes to force them to leave and ultimately Israel will try to
force them to leave Gaza altogether. That's the next part of the plan after
the the population is forced from the north and placed in biometric concentration camps
where the only source of food is the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation which is
run from behind the scenes by Israeli intelligence and the Israeli mil military through by the way um American
frontmen like Reverend Johnny Moore who was close to Charlie Kirk's operation
and was a mentor to Charlie Kirk's communications director, Andrew Kulvit.
It's disgusting. The West Bank is a prison. The Allen B Bridge was closed following the recognition of a
Palestinian state by France and the UK
and now no one can go in or out. the Palestinian cities are cut off from
one another and they're block like anyone who wants to travel from Ramla to Bethlehem has to pass through layers of
settler terrorists and military backing up the settler terrorists. So getting out on the road is extremely perilous
and Israel wants to annex the West Bank. It's out in the open that that's their plan right now to gazify the West Bank.
They've been gazifying the North, carrying out mass kidnappings of young men in order to suppress the armed
rebellion against their occupation. This will all continue for as long as a
US president like Donald Trump, who is completely under Netanyahu's thumb, is in power. And at the same time, I'm
seeing um the various civil society actions that are
underway make an impact. The the Simood Flotilla, which has come under attack from Israeli
drones, including with chemical weapons, but also with small explosive charges,
boats filled with citizens from Italy, from Spain, from the UK.
Uh Nelson Mandela's grandson is on one of the boats. I believe Greta Tunberg is on a boat
and they have now compelled the governments of France and France of
Spain and Italy to send naval ships as escorts. So they've basically compelled
something that could lay the groundwork for the Unite for Peace proposal put
forward by the former UN human rights expert Craig Moyber, which is calling
for an armed international or United Nations Protection Force to guarantee
the entry of aid into the Gaza Strip. And I think, you know, that's something that we should be calling for and
campaigning for. What we the what we need is military intervention in Gaza to
end the genocide. And the failure to do it means that
the so-called international community is completely bankrupt and the postworld
war II order was
is gone. Is completely gone. Where where where does it go next?
I don't know. I just think we have to do something every day. Just do something
every day to try to make this stop. That's all we can do. That's all anyone watching this can do is just to do
something every day. Thank you, Max. Thanks for your tireless
efforts. Before you spoke with me right now, you spoke with Matt Gates. You met with the president of Iran yesterday.
you've been tireless and prolific in your efforts to really get to the truth
of these really important issues. Thanks a lot. You can you can see the dark circles under my eyes. I'm
definitely due for some rest, but uh yeah, there's more to do and I should
have uh more juice in this investigation. So, follow the gray zone.
We'll follow it closely and everyone listening, follow the gray zone. Max, thank you also for connecting me with retired Lieutenant Colonel Anthony
Aguular, who will be speaking with the Community Church of Boston on the morning of October 13th, which is
Columbus Day. And I'm also happy to announce that the moderator of that program will be retired Colonel Lawrence
Wilkerson, who was the chief of staff to Secretary of State Coen Powell. So, very
much looking forward to that. And again, thank you, Max, for connecting us with that. I'm going to let you go, but hold
on for 30 seconds because I'm going to close with a very quick reading.
This is from the Quran. And I read this because these are the words of the Quran that
Muslims recite during times of death and catastrophe. And it's these words and
words like these that give people in places like Gaza strength to remain
steadfast in the midst of a genocide. In the Quran in chapter 2
ayat 153 it says
you who believe seek help through steadfastness and prayer for God is with
the steadfast. Do not say that those who are killed in God's cause are dead. They are alive
though you do not realize it. We shall we shall certainly test you with fear
and hunger and loss of loss of property, lives and crops.
But give good news to those who are steadfast. Those who say when afflicted with the
calamity, "We belong to God and to him we shall return." These will be given
blessings and mercy from their Lord. and it is they who are rightly guided. And
those are words from the Quran. Thank you again, Max.

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7 Disturbing Developments in Charlie Kirk's Assassination
Law&Crime Network
Sep 27, 2025 Law&Crime Crime Fix with Angenette Levy

It's been a little more than two weeks since an assassin's bullet took Charlie Kirk's life at Utah Valley University. Now his accused killer, Tyler Robinson, 22, is behind bars and facing the possibility of the death penalty if convicted. The investigation is far from over and FBI Director Kash Patel says every theory and scenario is being investigated as a well-known defense attorney in Utah has been appointed to represent Robinson. Law&Crime's Angenette Levy goes through the most shocking developments so far in this episode of Crime Fix — a daily show covering the biggest stories in crime.



Transcript

The man accused of murdering Charlie
Kirk now has a lawyer and he'll be back
in court soon as he faces the
possibility of the death penalty if
convicted. And the investigation is far
from over despite the arrest. I look at
the biggest developments in the case.
[Music]
Welcome to Crime Fix. I'm Anget Levy.
It's been a little more than two weeks
since Charlie Kirk's life was taken by
an assassin's bullet. One minute Kirk
was speaking to a big crowd on the
campus of Utah Valley University in
Oram, Utah, and the next he was gone,
shot in the neck. His wife Erica said
the doctor told her that Charlie Kirk
died instantly. At his memorial service
last weekend, tens of thousands
attended. A video showing Kirk in his
final moments played. First stop.
Wow, look at that.
Beautiful.
And that was just part of that video.
And it wasn't long after that that
Kirk's life ended and a manhunt began.
There were false starts as far as
arrests go, but then a possible shooter
was identified through surveillance
video. Photos were released and a mother
3 hours south of Oram in St. George
believed she recognized the young man in
the photos. She believed it was her son.
Robinson's mother explained that over
the last year or so, Robinson had become
more political
and had started to lean more to the
left, becoming more pro-gay and trans
rights oriented. She stated that
Robinson began to date his roommate, a
biological male who was transi
transitioning genders.
This resulted in several discussions
with family members, but especially
between Robinson and his father who have
very different political views. In one
conversation before the shooting,
Robinson mentioned that Charlie Kirk
would be holding an event at UVU, which
Robert Robinson said was a stupid venue
for the event. Robinson accused Kirk of
spreading hate. Tyler Robinson's parents
and a family friend convinced him to
turn himself in. The sheriff of
Washington County said there was a
negotiation of sorts because Robinson
was afraid of being shot. Ironically,
the manhunt ended after 33 hours. The
Utah County prosecutor filed information
charging Tyler Robinson with aggravated
murder, tampering with evidence, and
witness tampering. County Attorney Jeff
Gray read the text messages that he said
Robinson sent to his roommate, his
romantic partner, who was transitioning
from male to female.
On September 10th, 2025, the roommate
received a text message from Robinson
which said, "Drop what you're doing.
Look under my keyboard."
The roommate looked under the keyboard
and found a note that stated, quote, "I
had the opportunity to take out Charlie
Kurt and I'm going to take it." Police
found a photograph of this note. The
following exchange, text exchange then
took place. After reading the note, the
roommate responded, "What?
You're joking, right?" Robinson. I am
still okay, my love, but I'm stuck in
Oram for a little while longer yet.
Shouldn't be long until I can come home.
But I got to grab my rifle still. To be
honest, I had hoped to keep this secret
till I died of old age. I am sorry to
involve you.
Roommate, you weren't the one who did
it, right,
Robinson? I am I am I'm sorry.
roommate. I thought they caught the
person. Robinson. No, they grabbed some
crazy old dude, then interrogated
someone in similar clothing. I had
planned to grab my rifle from my drop
point shortly after, but most of that
side of town got locked down. It's
quiet, almost enough to get out, but
there's one vehicle lingering. Roommate,
why? Robinson, why did I do it?
Roommate. Yeah.
Robinson. I had enough of his hatred.
Some hate can't be negotiated out. If I
am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will
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Nation. The county attorney said that
rifle was a 30 six and had been given to
Robinson by his grandfather. Those text
messages continued. Roommate, how long
have you been planning this? Robinson, a
bit over a week, I believe. I can get
close to it, but there is a squad car
parked right by it. I think they already
swept that spot, but I don't want to
chance it.
Robinson again. I'm wishing I had
circled back and grabbed it as soon as I
got to my vehicle. I'm worried what my
old man would do if I didn't bring back
Grandpa's rifle.
ID EK if it's had a serial number but it
wouldn't trace to me. I worry about
Prince I had to leave it in a bush where
I changed outfits. Didn't have the
ability or time to bring it with I might
have to abandon it and hope they don't
find Prince.
How the f will I explain losing it to my
old man?
Only thing I left was the rapple was the
rifle wrapped in a towel. Remember how I
was engraving bullets? The effing
messages are mostly a big meme. If I see
notice bulge UW on Fox Newing
sucks.
Judging from today, I'd say Grandpa's
Gun does just fine. IDK. I think that
was a two thou a 2K dollar scope.
Wink wink.
Um, Robinson. Robinson again. Delete
this exchange
again. Robinson. My dad wants photos of
the rifle. He says grandpa wants to know
who has what. The feds released a photo
of the rifle and it is very unique. He's
calling me. RN not answering. Robinson,
since Trump got into office, my dad has
been pretty diehard MAGA.
Robinson, I'm going to turn myself in
willingly. One of my neighbors here is a
deputy for the sheriff.
Again, you are all I worry about, love.
That came from Robinson. Roommate, I'm
much more worried about you, Robinson.
Don't talk to the media. Please don't
take any interviews or make any
comments. If any police ask you
questions, ask for a lawyer and stay
silent.
And we're going to talk a little bit
more about those texts later on with Sky
Lazaro. There are still many, many
questions about what could drive a
one-time straight A student and a
college scholarship recipient to want to
take a person's life. An arrest may have
been made, but the investigation is
still ongoing. It's far from over. The
FBI has said that Robinson's roommate is
cooperating. Last Sunday, FBI director
Cash Patel posted on X that every
possibility is being investigated. Patel
wrote, "As the director of the FBI, I am
committed to ensuring the investigation
into Charlie Kirk's assassination is
thorough and exhaustive, pursuing every
lead to its conclusion. The full weight
of America's law enforcement agencies
are actively following the evidence that
has emerged, but our efforts extend
beyond initial findings. We are
examining every facet of this
assassination. We are meticulously
investigating theories and questions
including the location from where the
shot was taken, the possibility of
accompllices, the text message
confession and related conversations,
Discord chats, the angle of the shot and
bullet impact, how the weapon was
transported, hand gestures observed as
potential signals near Charlie at the
time of his assassination, and visitors
to the alleged shooters residence and
the hours days leading up to September
10th, 2025.
Some details are known today, while
others are still being pursued to ensure
every possibility is considered. Our
primary focus is to complete this
investigation and deliver justice. To
protect the integrity of the
investigation and subsequent
prosecution, we cannot release every
piece of information we have to the
public right now. We will ensure every
question is addressed at the appropriate
moment. Regarding specific details, such
as questions about the plane that
allegedly turned off its transponder
after departing from an airport near the
assassination site, we can share updates
when answers are confirmed. After
interviews with the pilot in
consultation with the FAA, we determined
the transponder was not turned off.
Incomplete flight data in rural areas
caused the apparent gap. The entire FBI
mourns the loss of Charlie Kirk. We will
not rest until justice is served and our
investigation into this assassination
will continue until every question is
answered. So right there, Patel is
saying they're investigating every
theory probably just to run down every
lead and every possibility to see what's
true and what's not. Patel testified in
front of Congress last week and said
this about Discord, the messaging
platform, whose spokesperson has said
that Tyler Robinson didn't plan the
crime on the site, but he admitted to
the shooting after the fact. Take a
listen.
Reports have suggested that the FBI is
investigating a broader network of
groups that may have had some knowledge
of the shooters plans. Can you give us
any details on that? Following up what
you've already said in public, how's the
FBI working to find other potential
accompllices, folks who may have known
about the shooter's plans, folks who may
have encouraged him, any any update on
any of that? So, in terms of what we do
for an interrogation um perspective, we
go and reach out to the family and
community immediately and we've
conducted those investigations and
interrogations with local law
enforcement and we're continuing to do
that because those closest to the
suspect are going to hopefully know the
most about the suspect and his beliefs
and his ideology. On top of that, um,
unfortunately, it has been leaked that
there was a uh a Discord chat. And for
those unfamiliar with it, it's a gaming
chat room online, um, that the suspect
participated in. So, what we're doing,
we've already done sort of legal
process, not just on Discord, so that
the information we gathered is sustained
and held in a evidentary posture that we
could use in prosecution should it be
decided to do so. And we're also going
to be investigating anyone and everyone
involved in that Discord chat.
Okay, very good. I see the public
reports that the Discord thread had as
many as 20 additional users. It sounds
like you're you're trying to run down
all of that to see if that's accurate.
Who else may have been on that thread,
what they may have known. Is that fair
to say?
It's a lot more than that. We're running
them all down.
It's a lot more than 20.
Yes, sir.
And you're running all of that to
every single one. Now, Erica Kirk,
Charlie Kirk's widow and now the CEO of
Turning Point USA, the organization that
Charlie Kirk founded when he was just 18
years old, spoke at his memorial service
about the loss of her husband.
On the afternoon of September 10th, I
arrived at a Utah hospital to do the
unthinkable,
to look directly
at my husband's murdered body.
I saw the wound that ended his life.
I felt everything you would expect to
feel.
I felt shock.
I felt horror
and a level of heartache
that I didn't even know existed. And
there was a really unbelievable moment
at this service where Erica Kirk, who's
mourning the loss of her husband
Charlie, and she now has two young
children to raise without their father,
she offered incredible words of mercy
and grace to his alleged assassin. That
young man,
that young man
on the cross, our savior said,
"Father, forgive them for they not know
what they do."
That man,
that young man,
I forgive him.
Now, remember, at Robinson's initial
court appearance, he didn't have an
attorney, but now that's changed. The
county commission has approved hiring
Kathy Netor to represent Robinson. She
has another famous or infamous client,
depending on how you look at it. in
Utah. Nester and her law partner also
represent Corey Richens, the children's
book author accused of murdering her
husband Eric by poisoning him back in
March of 2022. So Kathy Netor and
whichever co-consel she chooses are now
Tyler Robinson's lawyers and he's due
back in court on Monday. So to talk
about the very latest, I want to bring
in Sky Lazaro. She is a criminal defense
attorney in Utah. So Sky, I want your
thoughts first and foremost on the
choice of defense attorney here. You
know, they've they've appointed a public
defender. It is Kathy Netor. And I guess
she has co-consel. Um she's going to
need co-consel. She will need a lot of
help, a mitigation expert. So you are
familiar with her. She she is part of
the team that took over Corey Richen's
defense. So tell us about her taking
this case.
That's correct. Kathy's been uh in Utah
for a long time. She worked for the
federal defenders office doing public
defense work for them for a long time
and now she's out in in private practice
but has taken the appointment and in
both the Richens case and in the
Robinson case uh as courtappointed
counsel. Um I believe what happened is
the Utah County uh public defenders
office basically said we don't have the
resources to do this. you know, you're
going to have to get somebody else
appointed on this case and fund it
separately from what aotment is is given
to us already by the county. And so I I
don't know what that selection process,
you know, looked like, if if they
reached out individually to people. I I
believe that that they were reaching out
to people to see who had interest in it
or who would take it. Uh, and and I
believe Kathy
agreed.
Uh, and they'd have to obviously be
death qualified. They'd have to be, you
know, qualified to handle a case such as
this one. And as a former federal
defender, I'm sure she is. Um, this is a
lot to take on, though. I mean, she's
got the Richens case coming up next
year. This, of course, unless they say,
"Yeah, we want a speedy trial." I I
don't see this going to trial early next
year. Late next year, probably the very
earliest this could could happen, if not
2027.
That's correct. So, Utah, our statute
requires that people be qualified under
rule 8 uh to be death penalty counsel.
The ABA has uh standards out there for
the way these cases need to be defended.
She is definitely going to need
co-consel and mitigation experts in this
case. I think this is going to be a very
costly and timeconsuming case uh on top
of Richens. Uh, but you know, Kathy's
done this a long time and if if she, you
know, has things set up to have
appropriate counsel to help, you know,
because she has another practice as
well, private practice as well, you
know, to help with those cases to afford
the time for the both. I I would assume
she's, you know, looked at that closely
and the county doesn't seem to have any
uh issues with that as well.
So talk to me about what's going to
happen on Monday. Obviously Tyler
Robinson did not have counsel. Uh during
his first court appearance, Greg Scortis
appeared and said, "Look, I'm not
representing him, but I'm assisting and
helping find somebody." So he was kind
of a consultant looking to help find
counsel for Tyler Robinson council that
was qualified that could take this case.
Um maybe they even took bids. Who knows?
I don't know how they did this. but
what's going to happen on Monday when
Tyler Robinson appears.
This will be his first appearance with
his appointed attorney. And so I don't
expect a lot to happen in this case. My
guess is is um or what I would expect to
happen is that the court will put on the
record that uh Miss Netor has uh taken
on the appointment. uh she's willing to
abide by the standards and and the
statutory guidelines in defending him.
And I think they'll just sort of talk
next steps. Do we need to just set
another status conference? What's the
status of discovery? You know, I don't
think we're getting to a preliminary
hearing anytime soon in this case,
although, you know, he may assert some
speedy trial rights and decide that's
how he wants to do it. But I I think
this investigation is ongoing uh on the
on the part of the government as well.
And so there's going to be additional
discovery that continues to come out. So
my guess is is this is really just going
to be a status. This is, you know, you
get to come to court with your lawyer.
Here's the next steps. Yeah, that's what
it that's what I would kind of expect
because we're so early on in this case
and maybe they've turned over some
discovery already, but still the
discovery in this case will be
voluminous and the investigation is
really ongoing. I mean, they may have
some discovery to hand over right now,
but this investigation is far from over
the way the FBI director makes it sound.
I I would agree with that. in Utah, they
have to turn over uh any information
that they relied upon in filing the
information. So any discovery that was
relied upon in in filing the charging
document needs to be provided to the
defense within I believe it's 10 days or
a very short period of time. But in most
major cases or or major felony cases,
especially this case, discovery is
always ongoing. I I think there's always
things that come in late or things the
defense asks to go uh ask the state to
go get for them and and supplemental
discovery requests, things along that
nature.
So, the discovery is going to be
voluminous. And one thing that she is
going to receive in this discovery are
those text messages that the prosecutor
says are between
Tyler Robinson and his roommate who was
his romantic partner. And these things
read like a confession. It's so I mean
it's very weird to me, Sky. I don't
know. I mean, there's just something
about them that don't sit right with me.
And I I don't know if it's because I'm
just have a hard time believing that a
22-year-old texts his significant other
and says all this stuff on text. I I
don't know. There's just something about
it. It just seems very strange. The
roommate seems shocked. Like, what? that
was you on here. And he says, "Remember
when I was engraving bullets? Like
that's just something people sit around
and do. I don't think that's something
people sit around and do." What are your
thoughts on the text message confession?
These texts are different or weird. I I
don't know how to characterize them
either. Uh there also seem to be a
snapshot. I know, you know, we know that
the roommate uh was cooperating with
police and provided these. And so I
think what we saw come out through the
information is just a small snapshot of
these. I I agree with you. I don't think
the roommate, at least based on these
text messages, had no idea that any of
this was going to happen. Uh or even
after it did happen, that it was him
until uh you know, he said that yeah, it
was me and and then reacted with shock.
I would hope that through this discovery
process, they get a full download. Uh
they're at least probably going to get
one of Tyler's phone and they should get
the my guess is they'll go get the full
text string between him and uh the
roommate or anybody else he was
communicating with about this incident
as well because
they seem a little I don't want to say
disjointed, but they don't really make a
lot of sense. uh that that you just all
of a sudden would be, you know, I'm
gonna go do this and and not tell
anybody and not tell the people closest
to me. Um and and there may be other
there may be other communications on
other platforms as well, uh that maybe
they, you know, the state wasn't even
aware of at the time that they filed
charges. So, I think we're going to see
more come out of that to kind of
at least kind of build the picture of of
what it really was. We see we see text
messages and communications used in
cases all the time and it's easy to take
a a snapshot and and make it look maybe
worse than it was or better than it was,
you know, without getting the full
context of a conversation. I mean, but
he lit he literally admits to shooting
Charlie Kirk. I mean,
I think if if those are if those can be
authenticated and those, you know, I
mean, there's still there's still the
rules of evidence, you know, if those
are authenticated and those come in and
you can't keep them out, which I don't
think you can keep them out if they can
authenticate them, those are really,
really damaging text messages. I don't
know how you get past them. it
admission.
Yeah, you're right about those text
messages. Uh because those text messages
are definitely disjointed. The ellipses
on there, you can see that they're
showing, okay, this is one group of text
messages, then we have another group of
text messages, then another. Um it is
concerning
that the roommate I guess you know and
he's 22 years old but it you know the
whole thing about well there's been a
lot made of well he didn't go to the
police or the feds they had to find him
and interview him. Um, but if he's
cooperating, and they've been saying
that the roommate is cooperating,
um, I don't know if I expect really
anything to come of this as far as the
roommate goes, as far as charges go.
Could be just a cooperating witness who
was scared.
And I don't think that they will charge
him
unless something else comes out or they
become aware of more information. And
the fact that he didn't come forward
right away, I don't think that is
abnormal in cases. I see that all the
time. And in cases where boyfriends,
girlfriends, husbands, friends, they
know what people have done and they
don't come forward. Now, as long as they
don't lie, when police come and
interview them and they tell the truth
and cooperate, they're probably not
facing obstruction charges. As long as
they didn't do something to destroy
evidence or somehow impede the
investigation, simply not coming
forward, I don't think would be grounds
to charge someone. Uh although I mean
this case, you know, they they may be
more aggressive in it. But I would say
in most cases, unless there's something
more out there, I don't expect to see
charges on the roommate uh just because
he didn't come forward initially. They
had to go find him. Let's talk about the
possibility of federal charges now. That
that's been discussed. It sounds like
the feds really, really, really would
like to charge him, but Tyler Robinson,
as far as we know, there's no allegation
that he crossed state lines. He he was
from the St. George area. He drives up
north to Utah County and allegedly kills
Charlie Kirk.
there. You know, there's no I don't I'm
trying to see where the federal part of
this comes in. I, you know, it could
have something to do with if they fi
find out that he used an internet
platform to communicate with people
about this. At this point, they're
saying he only said after the fact that
he did it on Discord. Um, I I'm not
seeing anything that could be federal
here just yet. I agree with you and I
think that's why we haven't seen a
federal indictment come forth either or
or even just a charging document. Uh
they're going to have to find something
that's going to trigger federal
jurisdiction, some sort of interstate
commerce uh type movement. Now, if if
they go through his phone and and it
turns out there was a conspiracy or he
was paid by somebody out of state, you
know, maybe then you can start to get
there with individuals. But based on
what we know, I don't see a a federal
murder charge coming. And I don't think
that there's grounds for it based on
what they have or at least what we know
in the press right now uh on this case.
I do know that they would probably
really like to get him charged somehow,
but if the state's going to pursue the
death penalty, and Utah County has has
been very active in filing death penalty
cases,
I I think you're just better to let you
know, let the one prosecution run. if if
you were concerned that the state wasn't
actually going to pursue death penalty
uh or was going to cave on it, maybe
then you find a way to to charge them
federally, too. But, you know, at this
point,
as much as I think they'd like to for
political reasons, I I I agree with you.
I just don't I don't think that they
have the facts to support it right now.
Right now, I'm not seeing it, but
we should just wait and see uh what
comes of it. Uh you never know what they
could turn up. I guess they say it's an
ongoing investigation, but right now I
don't see it. Skylaro will uh we'll stay
tuned. Thank you so much.
Yeah, thank you.
Tyler Robinson is being held in the Utah
County Jail without bail. He'll be back
in court on Monday and Law and Crime
will have that appearance covered for
you, so stay tuned. That's it for this
episode of Crime Fix. I'm Anget Levy.
Thanks so much for being with me. I'll
see you back here next time.

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INTERVIEW: We're being fed a bunch of lies about Charlie Kirk
George Galloway
Sep 28, 2025

The bullet the FBI claims hit Kirk is for grizzlies or a family of elks, producing catastrophic results. But no Kirk exit wound. No recovered round. No autopsy. Just move along now



Transcript

Jackson Hinkle joins me as my first
guest this evening. He's the smartest
23-year-old
I have ever met. And I include myself at
the age of 23. And I was pretty smart.
Jackson Hinkle, US-based political
analyst, host of the unmissable
legitimate targets. Before uh I uh hear
from you, Jackson, amongst the many
whimsies uh which constituted 4 hours of
interrogation for me in which not a
single substantive question was asked,
not a question about anything I had
done, said, written, read, or any person
I'd been in the proximity of, not one.
But there was a question about Jackson
Hen. They're mighty interested. And so
they should be the whole world should be
interested in Jackson Hinkle's views.
Jackson, I don't know where to start. Uh
touring the horizont. Let's start with
uh Netanyahu's disastrous trip to the
rostroom in the UN General Assembly in
New York. It it bombed if you'll forgive
the pun.
It it definitely did. I first want to
say thank you so much for having me on
your show again and I am very happy to
have you uh doing this show tonight as a
free man. You and Guyatri uh being so
criminally uh treated by this government
that will gladly welcome uh the former
AQ leader. I'm not going to say the
exact word because I don't want to get
banned on YouTube for you. But you all
know what uh Mr. Golani was doing in
Syria and Iraq before he was the
president of Syria. So, you have the
defense minister uh of the UK who's
welcoming this terrorist into your
country and giving him the royal
treatment. You've got meetings with the
Israeli genocidal president at Tin
Downing Street. But if you stand up for
Palestine, if you stand against the lies
that are being pushed about Russia, if
you stand for truth in in the
development of China, then I guess you
will be detained in the UK. You'll be
charged. You'll be detained under a
terrorism act. This is the most
ludicrous thing I've ever heard of. So,
I'm very happy to have you uh free and
Guyatry free. Um, and as for the events
at the United Nations, uh, I mean, I I I
can't say that I'm surprised because
this is exactly how the world should be
reacting when a genocide is taking
place. You know that a lot of people
seem shocked by this and the mainstream
media, but I think average people like
you and me, we look at this and we say,
"Well, what what other response would
there be? Why would you entertain this
genocidal lunatic as he continues his
rampage at the United Nations? He walks
out there with this big uh you know this
big lapel pin thing he had on a giant QR
code. He looks ridiculous. His speech
was even more ridiculous. You said he
had a cure starmer moment. I say he has
a Jeb Bush moment. Uh telling the the
crowd, his own paid actors in the crowd
in the audience to to laugh and clap for
him. Um, but it it really shows uh the
state of affairs right now. The world
doesn't stand with Israel. The United
States Congress does and they'll give
him a standing ovation every every 50
seconds, but uh the world does not stand
and will not entertain this madness any
longer.
The uh flirtillaa of gallant siege
breakers uh from many countries and
dozens of ships, maybe scores of ships
by now. uh throughout a media blackout
are steadily making their way uh to
Gaza. And they have now been joined by
an Italian warship and a Spanish warship
because both of these countries have a
substantial number of nationals on board
whose lives are at risk from the already
begun constant drone attacks on the
flotillaa of peaceful people bringing
aid to a starving and destitute people.
Uh the Italian government had to be
forced to do this by widespread labor
unrest in the docks by mass civil uh
actions and protests on the streets of
Italy. The Spanish government well in
advance of the Italian uh has also uh
decided to send a warship. This means
Jackson if Israel attacks the flotillaa
these warships will become engaged
and if they do if Israel fires on NATO
warships from Italy and Spain an article
5 moment will have arisen and NATO will
be honorbound if not treaty bound to
come to the rescue of the Italian and
Spanish naval forces.
This story is sailing towards a very
very big conclusion. Don't you think?
I do. And I I wonder how far those uh
naval vessels are actually going to join
along with the uh global summit
flotillaa whether they're going to try
and actually get that flotilla all the
way to Gaza and get the aid into Gaza
for the first time. This would be the
success of an operation of this kind.
So, we'll see how far they go. uh
Greece, their navy has also notably said
that they will ensure the safe passage
of the uh the flotillaa onward to Gaza.
So that's a third country that's come
out. But I I think the important point
here is just how serious countries are
taking the aggression from Israel
against these peace activists who are
not armed. They're on like sailboats.
They have aid. I guess that's a weapon
against Israel. Aid is a weapon. Uh and
and and the Italy won't even recognize a
Palestinian state. Italy is still
supplying uh you know defensive weapons
as they call them to the the Zionist
entity to carry out this genocide. But
Italy understands that Israel is so
deranged that they actually might in
fact try to sink these ships or take out
the people on the ships. Um, and this is
something Israel has denied doing. They
said, "We didn't launch any drones. We
didn't do any chemical attacks on the
people on these boats." Uh, but they
were actually debunked by the US special
envoy Tom Bareric, who came out and said
that Israel has committed attacks in
Tunisian waters over the past few weeks.
So, Israel is doing this. Everyone is
very concerned. Um, I'll I'll say, you
know, nod the nod of the head to uh to
Italy, but a bigger salute to Spain
because Spain is really sticking their
necks out. The prime minister Pedro
Sanchez, he's not perfect. He's not good
on Russia as I understand. But when it
comes to this issue where we have so few
voices in the west who are actually
doing anything uh he is really sticking
his neck out to try and uh show the
world that there's some dignity left in
western countries.
Amen to that. Now not unadjacent to this
discussion so far is the ongoing crisis
around the murder in plain sight in
broad broad daylight of the turning
point USA founder and star Charlie Kirk.
I've never seen an official narrative
die so quickly and so completely
comprehensively.
almost embarrassing to recall that just
a week ago we were told this trans
activist on a roof with a World War I
rifle uh took out with perfect accuracy
uh the jugular vein of a man 150 yards
away and that nobody else was involved
despite the decoys, despite the reported
drone own activity around the arena,
despite the audio and visual evidence.
To the contrary, despite the
extraordinary
conduct of the post crime uh scrub uh of
evidence despite the lack of an inquest,
the lack of any involvement of the
coroner that we were asked to believe
that story. But nobody in America now
believes it, do they?
No, no one believes it. I mean, even at
the at the funeral service of Charlie
Kirk, uh you had announcers there from
the Trump sanctioned media outlets on
the right wing that were very close with
Charlie Kirk. And the announcers who
were all very very good friends with
Charlie and worked with him for years uh
for this media network, they were saying
things like, you know, I don't believe
the official story. None of us up here
believe the official FBI narrative. We
were speaking with thousands of people
in the crowd waiting to come into the
funeral. They don't believe the official
story. Um I mean ju just you don't even
have to look at any of the other
evidence. All you have to look at is the
claim that a 30 odd six round was
allegedly the round that was used to uh
assassinate Charlie Kirk. This is a
round for people who don't know that
hunters use to hunt elk and moose. And
if you shoot it through a moose, it'll
go through and hit another moose behind
it and go through that moose. They use
this to shoot grizzly bears. But they're
telling us that, you know, it didn't it
hypothetically, you know, if this really
was a 30 odd six that it didn't
completely uh blow off the head of of
Charlie Kirk. Not to get too uh you know
detailed here, but that's what it would
have done. At least there would have
been an exit wound, but they're telling
us there's no exit wound. Uh we have to
believe whatever they say because they
won't show us any autopsy report.
There's some conflicting reports over
whether an autopsy even happened. Uh
there was a FBI or police dispatch from
the local police department which said
that no autopsy happened. that hasn't
been confirmed, but in the state of
Utah, autopsies are legally mandated for
murder victims. So, there's so much to
unpack here. I think we all need to come
together and just admit that this was
this is a cover up. The official story
doesn't add up. This was some sort of a
uh you know, a a conspiratorial
operation that was undertaken to kill
Charlie Kirk. And beyond that, we're not
going to get the truth. at least not for
another 50 or 100 years because right
now the powers that be are uh mudding
the waters. They're filling the internet
and social media with tons of crazy
different theories that really hold no
weight. But they're trying to make
everyone crazy looking at a hundred
different things when the truth is the
only thing we should be focused on is
that we're getting fed a bunch of lies.
Now, finally, Jackson, I'm grateful
always for your time. the uh well two
things actually if I may. Uh does the
Democratic Party still exist in the
United States? Does it have a leader? I
haven't heard anything from them or
about them. I mean, say what you like
about Trump. He certainly fills the
vacuum. He certainly fills all available
political space. But I I have no idea
who is currently in charge of the
Democrats. Have they warmed themselves
up?
I think the de facto leader of the
Democratic party right now is Gavin
Newsome. And pending there's no uh
accusations thrown his way over the
next, you know, three years, I I think
that he'll probably be the uh the
nominee for the Democratic party. He's
uh he's not particularly popular, but
he's a cleancut politician. He's a you
know, Robert Redford type. Maybe he's
got the good look. He's got he's got the
swag and he can win the hearts and minds
of middle-aged white women all across
America. I think that's what the
Democratic party is banking on. But I
don't think that's enough. I think
people their eyes have been open to
what's going on in this world. And it's
not as simple as that anymore. You
actually have to at least lie to people
that you're going to fix some of these
problems that are going on, which is
what Trump did. But we all see how far
that got us with uh Donald Trump in the
White House.
So finally, the last thing um I quoting
or misquing or paraphrasing Oscar Wild
uh Trump definitely bears the impression
of the last person to sit upon him. Uh
like the proverbial sofa. Uh and it was
uh bad luck in a way that for those of
us who want to see an end to the NATO
Russia war. Uh it was bad luck that
Zalinski caught him on a day when he
could well and truly impress him. And
suddenly the little dictator who had no
cards, who was risking World War II and
who may very well be a thief
has become a heroic figure who can have
all the weapons that NATO is prepared to
pay for. Is that what happened?
Yes. I mean, before uh Trump was even
elected, I I think a lot of us predicted
that he would give some halfmeasure
peace deal to the Russians. Russians
wouldn't accept that. He'd get very
upset and western escalation would uh
materialize under Trump administration
if he was elected. And that's kind of
what we're seeing now. But I think the
more important aspect here is that this
is all about making sure that Europe is
as dependent as possible on US uh oil
and gas as well as uh you know US
controlled supply chains uh all across
the world. If you look at what Trump's
saying when he spoke to the coalition of
the willing, as they call themselves, he
said, you know, I think you should
really back off the purchases of Russian
oil, uh, you know, the refined petroleum
that comes through India. You should you
should back off that and the gas that
Hungary and and Slovakia are still
taking. Well, why is he saying that?
Because he wants Europe to buy American
goods. In the same week, we saw that
Brussels told Poland to cut off the
border with Bellarus. That is the main
trade artery for Chinese goods into the
European Union. Now, as as I understand
that might be up in the air right now as
to whether or not that border still
closed, but you can see what's happening
here. Trump is trying to pressure Europe
into a position where they will be weak,
bogged down fighting Russia. The US
doesn't have to get directly involved
and Europe will become another weak
proxy that the US will inevitably make a
lot of money off of.

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They Are Lying About Tyler Robinson. | Candace Ep 244
by Candace Owens
Streamed live on Sep 29, 2025

Tyler Robinson is not suicidal, and I’ll tell you how I know. Also, while investigating this murder, there is a politician's name that keeps coming up. He’s apparently mad that we keep asking questions.



Transcript

All right, you guys. Happy Monday and get ready because we are going on a journey. I left you
guys on the ultimate cliffhanger last week. I did not intend to, by the way. I genuinely wanted to get the information out as soon as possible that Tyler Robinson is not suicidal.
And I'm going to tell you how I know that. Also, while investigating this assassination,
there is a politician's name that keeps coming up. And now he's apparently mad that we keep asking
questions. I'm beginning to think that he might know something that he hasn't yet shared. So,
I wanted to kind of loop you guys into this and see what you think. Welcome back to Candace.
Why Tyler Robinson isn't suicidal.
Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself. Tyler Robinson didn't kill himself. I mean, these are the phrases that we now use and that we say uh when we expect that the federal government
is telling us a lie. Last week, I have to tell you, I was contacted by a source who I vetted with
information that answered a lot of the lingering questions that we've had about the investigation. Not all of them, but some of them, some of the big ones. Uh first and foremost, we were like,
how exactly did it work? How did Tyler Robinson turn himself in as we were told, but also never
confessed? And did he actually author those absurd Fed messages? Cuz I'm thinking no. Lastly, what
was he doing at Dairy Queen? Doesn't really quite fit into our timeline. Also, don't expect this kid
who just tried out being a stone cold killer to really have an appetite. And why exactly did the
feds withhold that information at Dairy Queen? And why are they allegedly stalking the Dairy Queen to see who comes in and out? Uh, well, we we have the story that could possibly potentially answer all
of those questions and it certainly makes a lot more sense than the slop that the government is
currently trying to feed us. First and foremost, Tyler Robinson has never confessed. They
acknowledge that he has never confessed to this crime and he still uh is pleading innocence on the
shooting. In fact, I was told that he was quote unquote bewildered by the idea that he carved
casings. I should be clear, he does not dispute the fact that it is his gun at all. It is his gun,
but Tyler is not exactly a gun enthusiast. He doesn't hunt like his other brothers do. In fact,
he's apparently a fisherman. The reason that he has that gun in the first place is because it is
in fact a custommade family heirloom. Tyler is the firstborn son. So he inherited. That's what
firstborns do. They get the family heirloom. That is why he has the gun. As many of you guys have noted, the Robinson family appear to be conservative, hence the hunting and the fishing
uh as the the sports of their choosing. I am told that they are fans of Charlie Kirk and they are
fans of Donald Trump. Although this source noted that Tyler, like many other conservatives have
um expressed, wished that Trump would sometimes tone down his speech and his rhetoric. Now, on the
topic of rhetoric, I am told that Tyler absolutely did not author those text messages. What text
messages? He has no idea where these messages came from. Uh believes that they are therefore entirely fictionalized. It turns out, you're going to be shocked that he doesn't actually
use words like vehicle. Uh which should come as no surprise to anyone that has a brain. By the way,
I'm sure you caught this, but um there's old footage of Tyler Robinson that is now circulating
from a car accident that he had. Uh, and during the discussion with the officer that showed up,
Tyler certainly refers to it as his car, not his vehicle, because that's how most Americans,
how most English speakers refer to a car, unless they're in the military or on the police force.
So, here is 2022 police body cam footage, in case you missed that, of Tyler making a crash report.
Take a listen. Your mom's on her way. Yeah, she's got to be a minute. She's got to shuttle over from
where she's at to her car and then drive over. Gotcha. His mother was going to shuttle over from
her car. H interesting. There's more. Of course, of most interest to me. what I've learned is that
his father uh does not believe his parents don't believe that their son committed this crime. I was
like, "Huh? Excuse me. That's a that's a far cry from what the media has been telling us. Remember,
the media presented this amazing story." Uh the father realized his son was guilty. So it goes,
right? And then he phoned over a friend to help him convince his son to turn himself in because
this guy, you know, this this mysterious guy was a friend and and just had a connection
with Tyler and eventually they said, "You got to do the right thing here. We know this is you." That was the vibe. Certainly that's what the media was putting down for us to pick up.
Well, I was told actually that it was kind of the opposite. That quote unquote family friend
uh who we learned was a former detective with the police force um at least and so therefore
has strong ties with the police station informed the family. It was that in between person that
informed the family that Tyler had been identified as the shooter. He recognized him. He knows Tyler.
He gives them the heads up. And then I'm told, and I believe this, that the way in which he
got arrested, or rather turned himself in, was because that family friend slashneighbor
slashformermer detective told him, "Hey, it's best for you to turn yourself in because there's only
one of two options here. Either you turn yourself in and everything is peaceable, or you know, the SWAT team could come in here and arrest you and things could get crazy."
So that's what happened. He went over to their house. Tyler was called over. Tyler was bewildered. He disputed the idea that he had murdered Charlie Kirk. In fact,
according uh to my source, Tyler has never even stepped foot on UVU campus. Tyler, it turns out,
has which has already been revealed, um was accepted into Utah State University,
not Utah Valley. And that's actually interesting if you pause and reflect on that because we didn't
really consider how on earth Tyler became not just familiar with the layout of the campus, but
familiar with the rooftop layout of UVU campus. So familiar that he knew exactly how to scale across
the rooftops to duck down or in order to take an almost impossible shot at a Charlie Kirk who was
sitting beneath a a tent. How did he know how to do all of that? Had he been there before? that he
he knew where Charlie was going to be sitting in it that he would have that shot from on top of the Loy Center. What? Right. I would actually and I I don't know, but I would imagine that even actual
current UVU students don't know that possibility. Like they're not even that familiar with how to
scale the rooftops and what shots they can take from it. We'll see. Uh, curiously, however,
my source says that Tyler Robinson was nearby the campus on that day. I'm wondering if that fact,
which I'm trying to learn more information regarding, explains the Dairy Queen photo because
what was he doing around the campus on that day? Where exactly was he around the campus on that
day? This photo never made any sense. I plugged it into my timeline. It wasn't fitting in. So,
if you're wondering why exactly Tyler would agree to go to the police station if he's not guilty,
um, ironically, the police were honest that day. Um, on one of the points, well, first and
foremost, that point is Tyler is not suicidal. Um, he wanted to go to the police station so
that he didn't risk accidentally getting shot by the police swarming his home. as I said earlier,
in a theatrical arrest setting. But rather confusingly, uh, Brooksby, Nate Brooksby tells
us that Tyler is suicidal. Whatever. Let's just take a listen to to what Nate Brooksby said after
he had been apprehended. Take a listen. So, so I get a call from my friend and his his said, "Hey,
how you doing?" Good. And it's not, you know, he's been retired a few years. He he'll we'll call each other. It's not it's not unusual for me to get a call from him or vice versa. And at 8:02 p.m.
he calls me. Hey, I can tell his voice is kind of shaky. So, my first thought is who who died? Like,
who who's he going to tell me that died? And then uh and then I can't I couldn't fathom what
actually came out of his mouth. So, he said, "Hey, um I know who I know who Charlie Kirk Shooter is.
Um, I I know the family through religious association and uh he's in he's in Washington
County now and we're working on trying to get him to come involuntarily. During that phone call
um some information was provided about Tyler uh potentially having some suicidal ideiations was in
or out to a remote area Washington County. Um the parents convinced him not to do that and uh you
know conveyed that they would uh you know stand by him and help him help him um surrender peacefully.
I'm told that's that's not true. That Tyler was not suicidal at all. He was just confused and
didn't want to get shot. Uh and then he gets to that part, right? He then tells us Brooksby that
he came in willingly because he didn't want to die. Let's take a listen to that portion. Within
the hour, um, my friend, uh, drove Tyler and his parents to my office where he was greeted by,
uh, plane closed detectives. So, that was part of the part of the deal is um, Tyler knew it was just inevitable with all the law enforcement pressure that he, you know,
his picture in the news, the gun, the gun on the news, he knew it was inevitable uh, that he would be caught. he was fearful of a SWAT team hit on his house or he was fearful of being shot
by law enforcement. So part of the negotiation and getting him to bring himself in was that that we
would we would treat it as delicate and as soft as possible to make him feel comfortable to where
he would he would show up at my office and that's exactly what happened. It can't be both. It can't
be both. Was he suicidal and wanting to die or was he worried about dying? It can't be both. And I didn't catch on to that early on. It's the answer was he came in because he is not suicidal
and did not want to get shot and was confused as I am told. Now you're probably wondering why the father and the mother didn't speak out to assert his innocence. That would make sense,
right? Uh why don't you come right out and dispute everything immediately. Well, interestingly enough, I'm told that it's because the feds told them that if they spoke out, their
lives could be at risk. like they they needed to keep things private and they convinced the family to go into witness protection. Like your lives are in danger. You shouldn't say anything.
Somebody could like, you know, just come back and and try to harm you guys because of what your son
did. You should go into witness protection and don't speak to anybody. Trust us. We're the feds, bro. And they agreed, of course, in the fog of it all. Why wouldn't you agree? But then,
like any good maybe conservative family, you start going, I don't really trust these feds. Like I'm a
little suspicious about the feds. Here's another point of interest. Okay. His father had no idea
that Tyler was gay. That's what I'm told. They are learning this in and through the media. They
thought that Lance was just his roommate and they were especially shocked because apparently Tyler
kept mentioning to them that he wanted them to meet some girl that he was seeing. Now, I would
like to interject my own voice here and say that I think this girl was likely Lance and Tyler was
working up the courage to tell his family that he was gay. That is what is most likely in my opinion
because we know for a fact that Tyler was in fact in a relationship with Lance because we have
exclusive photos, by the way, they're about to show you uh that the two of them posted to their Instagrams. This is Lance posting Halloween era photos. I forgot to post my boyfriend is the best.
Love you. Um, don't worry, that handle has since been taken down of what Tyler's handle was, but he's got a handle that doesn't have his name in it, so he's maybe trying to hide this stuff. Um,
and then there's another photo of them. And this one's posted by Lance again, pics from when Tyler
had a mustache. You can see that they were in a relationship. Just makes sense that he was working up the courage to maybe tell his family about that. Now, I was told also that Tyler is off the
charts intelligent and always has been. We know this. He had a perfect GPA in high school. Now,
that is precisely what made the idea of him being so stupid as to author a full confessional via
text messages pointedly absurd. Like, any person with a modicum of intelligence is going to go, I'm
not going to put this down in writing with every detail. Uh, and apparently whoever offered those
messages, likely feds, didn't have a modicum of intelligence or they would have maybe not included
every single detail there. Uh the family says that the photo of the young man that is coming up
the stairs which was shared that blurry image is definitively not Tyler Robinson. And let me just
say I never thought it looked like him. Neither did you. Okay. Face looks different. Face looks
more narrow. Also that person looks taller. Every time I say I'm like this person is taller than
Tyler Robinson. Tyler Robinson also appears to have full lips even though this image is blurry.
We're not looking for someone that's got a that got fuller lips. And Tyler Robinson looks broader
um than that individual walking. Right. So I I I'm on board with that person walking up the
stairs is not Tyler Robinson because I feel like it was intentionally blurred. They also never gave
us the footage at all because in order to blur it, they probably needed a static image. Also,
the family believes that um and this is really interesting, Tyler Robinson's apartment was staged
after his arrest. Now, you will recall that I spoke to Lance's family and one of the things
that Lance's family said was it was, "Hey, we own that apartment. They pay rent to us. I've never we've never met Tyler Robinson." But I can tell you that it seems like they were trying to hide
the fact that this, you know, that this apartment got raided. And it's very strange that they
immediately cleared Lance as a suspect. And I was told by other people in the department that they
wanted to keep that raid very hush hush. Anybody know about the raid? There was no mention of this
raid. And Lance immediately gets cleared as a suspect. Why? Well, according to Tyler's family,
they went to that apartment after his arrest and they felt the apartment was staged and
that intentionally in Tyler's room, a furry bed was placed, almost sort of implying that they're
trying to transfer the attributes of Lance onto Tyler, and that's shady. But again, when I put
together what I'm being told by Lance's family and what I'm hearing from the Robinson family
uh through a third party, I will say that it matches. It kind of seems like they're agreeing.
One family's going, "Hey, Lance is kind of evil. Why is he getting why is he getting cleared?" The other one's going, "Tyler's not this guy. Tyler is not this guy. So, what the hell is going on,
guys? What is actually going on right now?" There's also something else that's weird
that I want to uh mention here and that is the unusual lengths in which the media and
the sheriff's department. They've gone through all of these lengths I would say to protect the
identity of that former sheriff friend who was the one who convinced Tyler to turn himself in. Even
in that press conference, by the way, Brooksby, I don't like the way he's moving. I don't like the
way Nate Brooksby is breathing. I got to be honest with you, it's a vibe. For no reason at all,
he feels like he has to explain how he got on the phone with this uh sheriff friend of his. Like,
nobody asked you whether or not it was usual for him to call you. He's kind of overexlaining here in my opinion. Take a listen. At exactly 8:02 on the 11th, I received a call from a friend of
mine who happens to be a retired detective that worked for me for many years. Um, I didn't put
that out there initially. I wanted to protect that individual as much as possible. Um, unfortunately
in the court documents, which is standard, uh, he was referenced as a retired Washington County
deputy. So, I didn't put that out there. It was in the court docs. I was trying to protect even that information and just saying retired law enforcement in general. Why are you Why are you
trying to protect him? Why did you feel the need to explain to us earlier? It was it's not unusual
for him to call me this guy, but I fortunate that information is in documents that he was, you know,
formerly working for me and working with me. What do you mean? If he was formerly working for you,
that would mean he was a public figure and this should be usual. Public figures, people that work for police departments are always public and their informations are something their name is someone
we could easily research. It's nonsense. He's weird about this. He um says that he retired.
I think a journalist asks in the audience like you know that former friend detective uh how long has he been off the force and he says I don't know if we have that clip or maybe we
didn't cut that Skyler but he's like three years. But actually we were able to figure out who that
individual was and it's I feel someone that we need to get in touch with. We've tried to get in touch with him. Um, the name of that individual is is former Deputy Mike Mitchell. Okay. Deputy
Mike Mitchell. Now, oddly, despite a career of 25 years in the police force, I can't find a single
trace of him in old newspapers. So, I'm looking for more information on this guy. I understand
that he knows Tyler through the Boy Scouts. He's involved in the LDS church. And I think Tyler
um was he was he was the Boy Scout leader. That's the connection there. We were able to confirm that this Mike Mitchell lives on the block, uh, lives nearby, um, as was told via via other sources.
And thus far, we have only been able to even see a picture of him. There's just one picture uh,
or a set of pictures that we were able to find. And that again, which would mean Brooksby lied
a little bit. I don't like a little bit of lies because you usually have to lie a little bit when there's something bigger that you're afraid of it. According to this post, he retired last January.
Here it is. On the left, you have Brooksby. I don't trust that guy. Just don't trust him. And on
the right hand side, you have Today, we celebrated the career of Detective Mike Mitchell. After over
24 years of serving, 24 years Washington County, he is retiring, starting in the jail back in 1999.
Uh, Sheriff Brooksby and Detective Mitchell both had some wonderful stories to share. We would like
to give our heartfelt thanks to Detective Mitchell and all who came out to give him a warm send off.
Congratulations, Detective Mitchell. This is the only trace of this guy I could find. That's weird.
I don't That is very odd. That is unusual. That is an anomaly. When you serve that long police force,
you inevitably make it into the news. So, I am asking and we tried to reach out to this individual. We have had no luck. If you have any more information about this individual, if he is
your boy scout leader or he works for your church, please send us um tips at canesence.com. Guys,
I'm going to again say here we appreciate all of the tips, but please don't send us links to like
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Phil Lyman and the people mad that we are asking questions.
Okay, so something very strange happened this weekend and I need to tell you I need to tell you guys about it. I need to offload this and get your opinion. Now, first and foremost,
I have to tell you about this student who I'm going to refer to as Nick. Nick is not his real name. I'm going to refer him as Nick to protect his identity. Obviously, I came across Nick very
early on in this investigation. In fact, you might recall uh when I shared a photo online of a person
that looked suspicious. He was wearing like a black suit and black glasses and he seemed to
have a strap hanging out of his bag. Uh here he is right here and he was in the food court. I shared
that photo because Nick had sent it to me into our tips box and said, "This person looks rather
mysterious. he's running through the food court. And from from there, we kind of he kind of became my boots on the ground. He's like, "Hey, I go to UVU. I'm a major Canis Owens fan. I want to help
in any way that I can." Okay. So, that's how that happened. That was really um and right away he
told me on like day two of the investigation that he worked on Phil Lyman's gubernatorial campaign,
Phil Lyman ran against Governor, the current Governor Cox, and he lost. And one day, very
early on, this must have been like day three, uh, Nick cold calls me and Phil Lyman's on the phone,
okay? Like I said, he ran for governor and I was prepping for the show and things were early on and
I was still in a very agrieved phase and I didn't really know I was on the phone with this guy, Phil Lyman. I was like, "Okay, thank you so much. I appreciate that you're offering help." And um,
Nick insisted to me, he's a fantastic person. He has tons of resources. He knows the area. Uh, if you need any help, he can help you. Okay, great. Fast forward to me looking into the witness list
and obviously we spoke about this Tiffany Peterson Barker. That very weird clip of her with her
nieces at like 4:00 a.m. in the morning speaking on Good Morning America and uh her energy was just
weird to me. I thought her being there was weird. Obviously, this is my podcast. I can say whatever I want. We reached out to her and um then she gave us uh you know a ton of information and
but never actually presented to us. She never sent me directly any footage that could verify that she
was there when Charlie Kirk got shot. Okay. And she was a bit upset that I didn't clarify that.
I thought it was weird that she wouldn't just text me the footage because it didn't allow me to confirm that she was where she said she was. That's what metadata is for. Metadata instantly
will say, "Here's where you were, at what time, and this is this person's iPhone." So, I wasn't gonna lie to my audience. I just told you guys, "Hey, you can check her out on her Instagram.
Here's her excuse. She says that this is why her nieces said that." And we sort of moved on,
right? But then I then I learned from Nick that the photo of the person who was wearing that black
suit in dark sunglasses had come from Tiffany Barker's mother. I was like, "Well, that's weird.
whatever. And um then you will recall we learned from Tiffany when I was trying to figure out how
did you get this hit on Good Morning America? Like did you share something that would have had them reach out? Well, then I told you she told us actually Phil Lyman is the person that
put me on Good Morning America. My sister ran with him as Lieutenant Governor. And I was like, "Oh, okay. So Phil Lyman got you that that uh position on Good Morning America. you had
a essentially a connection there that made that happen. Don't know how I missed this,
but then I learned that Phil Lyman himself was very involved in all the communications that
immediately went out about the shooting and that his car was in the driveway of the now infamous
TMZ footage which showed the shooter walking twice that day by this house. In fact, Phil Lyman says
that he had just pulled into that driveway minutes earlier and had just missed the shooter. Here he
is in his own words speaking to Kaye Mcaney. Take a listen. I do want to linger on a moment for what
you just told us and I'm going to ask the team to pull back up that surveillance footage that we've gotten from TMZ from those neighborhood cameras. You said that in that footage is your
driveway and you parked there at 11:30 a.m. We know this footage that you're looking at was
taken at 11:49 a.m. So So you would have been on that street. That driveway 19 minutes right across
right across Yeah. It's not my driveway. It's my aunt's driveway. Uh parking lot was very full.
He's walking he's walking in front of my aunt's house there right now. My cousin's house is the driveway that is taking that v photo photo and my CRV, the gray CRV in the distance there is that is
my car. I parked there probably 10 minutes before he walked by. And I had not seen this footage till
just now and I'm I it just keeps so many things that keep uh linking up. It's really astonishing
to me. And then then we went back to this house afterwards. They thought they had the the shooter.
Uh so I took a friend of mine. We went back to my aunt's house. says, "Well, we'll just hang out here for a while." Uh, and uh and and before long, the people were combing the backyard, as you saw.
She had the footage of that. And uh and pretty soon, helicopters are overhead. And so, this is
very very local to me. Very I mean, not only is it Utah, but it's kind of my neighborhood where I spent so much of my childhood and all of my relatives. I This is This is really astonishing.
It's been a I got up yesterday morning at at 6:00 to drive up and and meet Charlie and and I
uh I haven't been I haven't been to bed since then because it's just one thing after another after another and so astonishing that this could happen in Utah. Now, just to be clear and to reiterate,
19 minutes before the shooter walks across, he had just pulled into the driveway. Phil Lyman pulled into the driveway. He says that he uh saw Charlie Kirk that day. We're going to get to that. Also,
when he says like he grew up there and his family, I mean, his family owns, we were able to determine 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 homes right there. Incredible. Okay. Absolutely
incredible. And that his little press tour obviously now you're like, you know, explaining your car was in the driveway, so it's a issues close to him. That kind of makes sense. Then,
um, he went on to Alex Jones and spoke about where he was when the shot rang out. And what's kind of,
and I'm laughing here because it's kind of absurd, he kind of sort of blames it on these two random goth girls. Maybe like he's kind of implying like there were these girls that were wearing black
and maybe they should be taken a look at further. Take a listen. Just yesterday, someone comes in,
he says, "Yeah, uh, we we've got video." He came off the roof. He walked up. He came up here to
the uh parking lot, got in the car with with an individual and they and they drove away. Well, that's not the story that came. So that he that he escaped another route and there there's there
are people who are coordinating this thing. I I do not believe that that 306 that they showed
recovered in the bushes was ever on the roof. I think it was in the bushes to start with. And now
I'm not saying that that Tyler Robinson wasn't on the roof. I'm not saying he didn't pull a trigger. Uh I was I was in very very close proximity. So, another interesting thing, like I say,
I I left the front of the stage. I wanted to meet some of my friends and bring him down front. So, I was clear at the east end and I heard this loud boom. I heard this loud bang. And I turned around.
I'm looking like, "What was that? What was that?" And and um pretty soon some people started, you know, running. Everyone was trying to process and I thought, "This is a gunshot." And there's going
to be more of them. I thought it could turn into a mass shooting. So, I go to the people closest to me. Everyone's ducking down behind the the concrete uh retaining walls and some of them were
still kind of oblivious, but there were two people that were standing there. Uh two girls, very goth,
very black, you know, and and I just walked I stepped up to the side of them and I said, "Did that not happen right here? Did did you hear that? Was that right here?" They said,
"Yeah, it was just right over there." So, they're confirming, "Yeah, the shooter or or wherever that sound came from is right here." The thing that didn't really dawn on me is that they were not
running. They were not frightened. In fact, as I stepped up, I heard one of the girls um and they
were talking to each other and they're looking at these kids, looking at the scene down below of all these people fleeing for their lives. And she says, "Go f yourselves." Um and uh and and like I
say, I was not processing that. I was trying to figure out what was going on. I thought this is a separate conversation. I don't know what it is. In hindsight, as I've watched that over and over,
it's like these these people were not afraid. Okay. Okay. So, what I get from that is he was
up high cuz he says they're looking down below and that maybe people that are wearing black are
immediately suspects. I don't know cuz they were not afraid. Anyways, he also went on to a local
Utah news station and spoke about how he was with Charlie just before Charlie went onto stage. Take a listen. Phil, thanks for joining us first of all, but I saw a picture I saw a picture of you
with Charlie Kirk and it looks like you were like maybe right before he went on stage. Is this just
like minutes before this happened? Yeah. No, I was I was I was basically backstage and and when
he and when he came out I was throwing the hats. I was I was I was there. I was standing next to the stage and I and I would have been there when the shooting took place, but I needed to go meet
some of my friends and I didn't want to just hang hang around. Uh, so there's a part of me that's glad that I wasn't in close proximity and part of me that that um feels bad that I wasn't there
just in some form of moral, you know, presence and support. It's such a tragic thing. When I
combine those clips, I'm kind of unclear as to where he was exactly when the shots rang out, if he was close or if he felt bad that he wasn't close. Anyways, uh, he went on to Instagram that
night as Tiffany was prepping her Good Morning America hit, I suppose. uh and he speaks further
about what he was doing back onto campus and what exactly he remembers. Take a listen again. This is
on September 10th and it's around 11:30 p.m. at night. Hey, it's September 10th, 2025 and I was
just heading back from Salt Lake to Blanding. I'm getting a very late start. It's about 11:30 at night and I wanted to swing back by UVU campus where Charlie Kirk was killed today. and
uh see if I could let a few of the police officers know how much I appreciate the work they're doing. See if there's some college students here that I could rub shoulders with more for my benefit
than for theirs. But what I really wanted to share was I I was very close this morning where Charlie Kirk was at. Met him backstage and we talked for a moment before he went on stage and I was backstage
as he started speaking then decided to go up top and and I went up uh to the top and ironically was
very close to where the shooter was apparently. I the the the shot was very loud and uh I determined
pretty quickly that whoever it was was on on the roof and it was a 200 yard kill shot.
Where was he? I don't know. I find this to be a little weird, but look, let's be clear, by no
means conclusive of anything other than perhaps a strange coincidence and maybe this is why he feels so impassioned and wants to keep speaking about it. Also, you know, he's a gubernatorial
candidate. Makes sense. uh this would be a political moment to show that you're a leader. And look, life is not exactly an Agatha Christie novel, right? Where the guilty party somehow
inserts himself into the investigation. So, I park that aside. I keep pushing and I'm following more
public leads. But also I I do recall in the back of my mind that both Phil and Tiffany Barker and
as it would turn out another person that lives on that street with the last name Shamway kept trying to get me to look into Governor Cox because he's according to Tiffany very supportive of the trans
stuff. You should look into Tiffany Tiffany said into Governor Cox and similarly um the
Shamway emails were like you should look into this Governor Cox because he he likes trans. So they're
open and close. That feels to me always just like fed bait. Left versus right. Right. He likes trans
people, so it has to be him. Okay. Oddly, look, I'm just following the facts here. Nothing in
my investigation has made me ha ask a question further about Governor Cox on that day. Nothing
came up organically, so I'm not going to push it just because he's a Democrat. And actually,
where I was at at this process, what's that? Oh. Uh, pushing that because Governor Cox is his, uh,
sorry, I said Democrat because he's his, you know, he's waring with him and that's the candidate that he wants to go after. And I actually start noticing as I'm looking into this investigation
that everyone who is involved on that day, I mean, literally the person who spots the shooter
um on the roof, military, uh, the person who says, "Oh, the the he I just cap happened to
be in the right place in the flag of halls where I saw him running." also in the military. And I'm starting to think, is it possible that this is like a military hit? I don't know, but I'd
like to find out. Next came a tip that you guys saw me receive live on the show. Someone paid a
woman paid to say, "Candice, there's more footage of the shooter on that day." And you should know
that that shooter was with a woman, right? That's a tip that I received. That that woman that the
shooter was with a woman and he was seen changing clothes and that they've cut out that footage. So,
I reach out to that individual and the name that they give me for the house that this took place
in and I'm able to confirm that this property is nearby is owned by Lyman Branch. So, now I want
to be clear, I could not attach whether or not yet this individual is related um to Phil Lyman,
but he's been honest about the fact that his family lives around there a lot. like you know the Steel Lyman clan is is here. So I was a little bit on alert, maybe like a lot of bit on alert and
I decided to just do a ba a basic search into Phil Lyman. Like is is his family in the military? I
don't know. I'm asking the question to myself and I'm quite surprised that it's impossible for me to find out who his mother and father are. Like I literally don't know what goes on in Utah,
but it seems like a very weird thing to me that you would be able to keep information about who your mom and dad are private if you're running for governor, right? So, I just simply ask Nick.
I haven't shared any of this with Nick because I know that he worked for Phil Lyman and I'm not accusing Philman of anything. I'm just like trying to actually shut that down. And he says,
"I actually I don't know whose mom and dad are." I'm like, "What do you mean don't know?" Okay, weird. Whatever. I then decide to keep pushing on military leads that I have, people that were on
the ground that day who I've confirmed are in the military. Anyways, then something insane happens.
Nick calls me and he's a little bit undone. He tells me that Phil Lyman has just showed up at
his house. Now, I want to be very clear. Nick is 20 years old. He's a 20-year-old UVU student and
a major super fan of Phil as of 48 hours ago and he's very uncomfortable. And he tells me
that Phil randomly messaged him saying that he was nearby in town in town rather and asked Nick for
his address, something that he he never had. And Nick quite naively and being this Phil super fan
thinks that Phil's going to come and offer him a job because he's being been so on it investigating
this Charlie Kirk assassination and that's not what happens at all. Instead, he says that he shows up, he opens the door for him and his energy is very weird and he's asking him weird questions.
He's looking out of the window nervously. He sits down at the table. He's asking him questions about
my investigation. I'm like, I shared nothing with Nick. I literally was asking him, "Can
you go here? Pick up this whatever it is." And he is thinking this is getting weird. I said, "What
specifically did he did he say to you?" Well, he tells me that Phil has also set up a time to meet
with Ian Carol. Okay, so Ian Carol is conducting his own separate investigation. and we are not
collaborating at all, but he and Carol publicized that he was going up to Utah cuz he wanted to be on the ground physically by himself and he was reaching out to people um that uh who who had been
speaking about having been there and Phil Lyman is so gracious that he offers to give him a tour. And
Nick tells me he's like that's really weird now because we're like two weeks on from this shooting and Phil Lyman lives four hours away. So that's that's very very gracious of him to do, but his
energy isn't good. And then he mentions Governor Cox and he mentions Tyler Ber of Turning Point USA
and says that again this is according to Nick that Tyler Boyer and the the lineman have been
speaking and that they are you know really going to make Governor Cox and I'm I'm paraphrasing here
but apparently there's a a another Utah event USU event coming up and Governor Cox is supposed to
speak and Phil Lyman intimates that like you know this at this TP US event Governor Cox isn't going
to look great. I'm like what? He then tells him I'm going to go if you don't mind I'm going to go
take a phone call in my car. So he's just idling in a 20-year-old's driveway who just happened to
work on his campaign and he's on the phone and this is he's why he's calling me panicking. So I
don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what's happening. I don't know why he's being so weird. I don't know why he's asking me questions about this investigation. And I'm like
uh yeah this is weird. This is very weird. So then I'm like I'm I'm honing in here. I'm like, what
what's going on? I feel like he knows something at the very least. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how I feel. And I begin actually searching through our tips box for anything related to Phil related to
Phil Lyman. Maybe somebody else noticed something or knew something or he said something. And lo and behold, very early on, someone just messaged us and said, "Hey, like you should probably
uh ask more questions about Phil Lyman because every time I look into this investigation locally, him and his family members are popping up." And then that person tells me that his nephew had sort
of done this public tour, like Phil Lyman's nephew did this public tour saying that he was going to
walk the same route that the shooter walked near his grandmother's house. And that they found,
you guys remember this, they found the Converse footprint nearby his grandma's house. And he
presented a map, like this is it, this is actually from his Instagram. He presents this map and his
nephew's name is Shane. This again, this was all public. I'm only looking at things publicly. And let's just look at some of these posts from nephew Shane. I mean, first and foremost,
he he's with his friends. Said, "I took my friends to my grandma's house tonight and we re retraced
his steps and we took pictures in the exact place that the security cameras caught him. I've been
through this new experience for the last few days. I'm still very glad to have attended and to support Charlie Kirk and to see him." The last pick shows Converse brand footprints and then
he does hashtags and here are him and the three friends. And by the way, I'm looking at his the
friend on the right and I'm like I don't know. I'd like to know who that is at the very least. And uh
I'd like to know who everybody in this photo is. This is just interesting. Like you guys are are in the staircase and posting side by sides. They put these sideby-side photos of them in the staircase
and I just was like, I I need to just know more about you and I need to know more about these
two individuals who I couldn't find on his friends list. And they certainly hadn't liked the photo or else I would have messaged them directly to figure out who they are. And yeah, I found I found that
very strange. And so I messaged Nick and I asked him whether or not he had ever received any images
or videos from Phil directly. At the very least, we can see his line of vision so I can figure out
where exactly he was when the shots ran out. Um, and I'm wondering if like we can maybe get some
footage that we didn't have before when the shots ran out. And also, by the way, metadata is king.
That's kind of been very it's good to see because then I can put it in my timeline. That's why I love metadata. I can say this exactly happened at this time. Strangely, uh, Phil kind of freaks
out. He doesn't want to share those photos with Nick. And he asks him explicitly, "Whose side are
you on? Whose side are you on? I thought we were all on the same side. We're all trying to catch
Charlie Kirk's killer one way or the other. You You inserted yourself into this. Got on the phone with me. I was not even trying to make any communication with you. I literally am just
asking questions." And now all of a sudden it's like, "Oh, you don't want to answer any questions. You don't want to share anything." and he tells me that yesterday Phil Lyman just calls him and
he shouts at him like who the f do you think you are kind of a deal you know what I mean like who are you to ask me for anything I already gave my photos to Taylor Hansen and so at that point I was
like look you've been great Nick but I don't want you being shouted out I don't want you feeling comfortable in your own home I would like you to just remove yourself entirely from the boots on
the ground elements of this investigation I don't think Phil is acting in a way that I perceive to
be stable given the fact that again he inserted himself in this investigation and we're asking
this is my car on the street. Okay, you want to be helpful. We're asking you to be helpful and now all of a sudden you're showing up at 20-year-old's house and you're being weird. I don't like it. I
don't I don't I don't like it at all. And I said I I could reach out to Phil directly by myself. And
I did. I reached out to both Phil and I reached out to his nephew Shane and I asked for them to identify the guys in that photo. Uh, like I said, I was interested uh in who those individuals were
because I couldn't find it on his friend list. And in response, Shane immediately takes his
profile private. And Lyman, Phil Lyman, leaves me on red. So, I am now left in the predicament where
I need to just ask the public. If you are one of those two kids that are in the photos there, I would love to ask you some questions since you publicized this tour. I mean, they even did the
full video walking through where he walked and you know, he said my uncle, he even posted he
posted Phil Lyman and my uncle was with Charlie. This is the video that they posted. Everything was
done publicly. And now I'm like, okay, you could maybe maybe you have something that's helpful I want to ask you about. Could you send me that photo? Could you send me that video? Could you
send me all of this stuff? And now I'm getting radio silenced. So, unfortunately, because I
need to figure out what happened on that day, I am turning to the public uh to try to identify those
people and anything else that you may know that may help put things together uh for us. Again,
please reserve the tips at canisowns.com for actual tips related to the questions that we are asking. Uh not for just comments, those sorts of things, videos that you'd like me
to watch or things that you'd like to do to point me into a different direction. Please just uh tag us on social media so that we can try to manage this process better. Anyways, you guys given you
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Comments.
All right, you guys. So, what do you think? Is Is it weird for a gubernatorial candidate to arrive
at a 20-year-old's house? Yes, I can answer that for you. That is weird. That is very weird. That was weird. Okay. There's no way around that. Um and again, hopefully he will answer and
he will just send me some videos and uh that will be yeah, that'll be uh case closed and
maybe he doesn't want to help anymore. That's fine. But you can't insert yourself and then pretend you're under attack when people then go, "Hey, can you answer some basic questions?" Um,
Marzy is writing to us. She writes, "Looking into the bullet made me think of the poisoned bullet
when hit men intentionally use a bullet to cause a lot of damage from tumbling and fragmentation. This is done by keyholeing the round to tumble or bounce into the body for internal damage causing
many wounds." I actually did not know that at all. I'm super ignorant um on the topic of ballistics and things that are actually done. That is I never even heard about keyholeing. So, thank you for
sharing that. Caitlyn Derrian writes, "Candace, as a journalism student with an insatiable thirst for the truth. You are a true model of real journalism. I hope to one day get the chance to
work with you. Keep doing everything that you do. May God continue to protect you and your family. I love you, girl." Yeah. I mean, my insatable thirst is to figure out what happened that day.
Um my gut instinct is that this was a military operation. Uh based off everything that I've seen
and the lingering questions that I have and some other leads that we are working on, that's how I feel. Um and even when I was trying to find Miss Mike Mitchell, I could find the Mitchell
family. I don't know if it's his family, but the Mitchell name in that area was coming up for like Air Force. And so I again when I get into these places where I can't find any more information,
I turn to you guys to help me out. But I find it very strange that you would protect somebody who's been on the force for 24 years. Like what? You're you've always been a public figure essentially.
And uh I I think Brooksby has some nervous energy there when he's like, "Oh, he called me. That's
just totally usual. That's not weird." It's like, "Nobody said it was weird. So why are you answering for something that nobody said?" Little things like that. It's the same thing like when I
saw Tiffany's uh interview. I just I I just found it like most of you did to be odd uh given the
fact that the hit man was still on the run that you would bring uh your nieces there. And she gave
her explanation. And like I said, you can go to her Instagram. She has asked us repeatedly to send you guys to her Instagram where she explains why uh her why they decided to go back that early in
the morning. And like I said, Phil Lyman was the one who got her the hit or Phil Lyman's office, her sister got her the hit on uh Good Morning America. Kristen Theoret writes, "Canis, I am
so sorry for the loss of your dear friend. I agree that it's weird that the people closest to him are just moving on. I feel this whole story is very twisted and you are the only one who is capable of
unraveling the truth." Yeah. And sadly, the people that I am in partnership with on demanding more answers are not even people who were friends with Charlie Kirk. They're just like, "Obviously, this
is wrong and this is weird and I'm on the left." Maybe uh Max Blumenthal dropping uh he dropped a bunch of articles last week and I think he's got more coming out. Why is Max Blumenthal, who
wasn't a friend of Charlie Kirk, more interested in what happened to Charlie Kirk than the people closest to him? That strikes me as very odd. Just odd. I mean, no element. They could at the
very least name the donors, get a little bit of revenge. Name the donors who were pressuring him. Tell the truth about what was happening there. They won't do anything. They're just like, "Oh,
it's all good. It's all good." No, it's not all good. Actually, not all good at all. Bitsy writes,
"The whole world is a stage used to hurdle the cattle in the direction that they want to take us. It's all lies. I rejected all. Lord Jesus Christ is king." Indeed, Bitsy Miranda Allen writes,
"I wish I could do more. My thoughts and prayers are with you as you find truth and also mourn a lost friend. God bless and keep you. Pray. It works. I I really do believe praying protection
over the people who are trying to discover what happened um is significant. It it is. I
I really do believe that everyone needs prayer and protection at this moment. Cassie writes, "Many people I follow on social media have lost credibility with me because they are not asking
any questions at all. I can't imagine calling Charlie a friend and not questioning any of this." Yeah, that's what's great. Like at the very least I would expect them to get up there and be like
what are what's up with these fed messages? This is weird. No, they're all just like let's move on
and uh we're just going to his legacy is going to be we're just going to continue the organization without him. I mean like I was thinking if I'm Charlie and I'm looking down I'm just like what?
Dang. I thought we were super close. Really? You're like the vibes are not vibing there. I
know Savannah would investigate. Savannah's crazy. Savannah, she would investigate. She'd be crazy. She was super crazy. She'd be wearing all pink going down to Utah. That's what Savannah would
do. Kaya writes, "It's 1963 all over again. They don't like people asking questions. Furthermore,
Ian being mentioned." Yeah, random. And I called Ian. I was like, "Hey, Ian, just letting you know like um I don't know. I I don't think he's going to necessarily put you on a tour try to help you
because he's not being very kind right now to this poor guy, Nick, who was like a super Phil
Lman super fan. And uh I think that went sideways. Uh Kaya continues, "Prayer for you and him. You're
getting close to something. Keep going. Christ is king." Um and then my producer has a note that there are a lot of comments asking about the microphone theory. Here's what I will say
about that. I when I first saw the footage thought as well that something came upward. Um but when I
looked at image from the side, the microphone is still on him afterwards. So like when you see it for it looks like it kind of disappears but then it kind of shifts when you look at the
um when you look at the the perspective slightly to the left you see that it actually stays on
him and it's just in the fold. Again I don't know enough about weaponry to say that that's possible or not possible. But I would imagine if anything did sling into him uh with that kind of
a force it would fall off. And I can tell you it doesn't fall off. There's another theory that I'm
still looking into that has been presented that I think is definitely interesting. It's definitely
interesting and I'm trying to play my cards close to my chest as I ask certain questions. Probably
will have more on that maybe tomorrow or the next day. But um yeah, I I I do think it's very weird
that he was miked after he sat down. Tell you that that's never happened to me at a Turning Point
event. They Mike you backstage always. Um, so yeah, I I thought that was strange. There's a lot
of things that were being done for the first time that day. And I'm going I'm planning on revealing
all of them. By the way, I'm just waiting for everybody to like join me. Where where where are Charlie's homies at? Why are you guys all silent? Something's not right. I know it's not
right. Okay. Uh, we don't know now, but we know. You know, we don't know, but we know. And soon
we're going to know no. And that's all I'm going to say about that. We'll see you guys tomorrow.

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DEAD OR ALIVE: Who Betrayed Charlie Kirk? | Ep 245
Candace Owens
Streamed live on Sep 30, 2025

I am looking around and wondering whether Charlie's entire life was The Truman Show. -- Candace Owens

Truman: Oh, and in case I don't see you, good afternoon, good evening, and good night. Yeah, yeah.

-- The Truman Show, directed by Peter Weir

The very people who were threatening Charlie's reputation and finances are trying to memorialize him as having died as a “friend of Israel”, we have info on the two individuals who Phil Lyman’s nephew described as his close friends, and I spoke to Phil Lyman. I’ll tell you what he told me and what he insisted that we clarify.



Transcript

I just want to say that I feel like at the beginning of this investigation, I was very clear when I said there will be no fakeness, and there will be no gayness in this investigation. And apparently there were some people who did not take me seriously or literally -- because there are a lot of little lies being told, right? Charlie gets assassinated and the very people who were threatening him reputationally and financially are now trying to memorialize
him as having died as a friend of Israel. Okay, challenge accepted. All lies will be revealed and
we're going to help reveal those lies. Also, yesterday we asked for the public's help in
identifying two individuals who Phil Lyman's nephew described as his close friends who
decided to retrace the path of Charlie's killer. And what we have discovered thus far is absolutely
stunning. This story couldn't get any crazier. By the way, I did speak to Phil Lyman and I'll tell
you what he told me and what he insisted that we clarify. Now, I would say that it's getting weird,
but honestly, right from the jump, it's been weird. So, welcome back to Candace.
Addressing Phil Lyman's involvement in the investigation.
[Music] It took him a little over two weeks, but now BB Netanyahu with maybe a little help from Turning Point USA, I'm thinking, is releasing the letter, the May love letter from Charlie
Kirk to Israel. Just out of nowhere, he was just overcome with love for Israel, and he decided to write this love letter uh to the prime minister about how they could fight harder,
how they commit themselves further to the Israeli cause. We're going to get to that and
we're just going to slaughter that narrative that Charlie died pro-Israel. But first, I want to jump right back into what we uncovered yesterday to keep you guys focused. I presented to
you guys in short that the gubernatorial candidate Phil Lyman was a bit, in my opinion, too involved
uh in the investigation of who assassinated Charlie Kirk just he was saying and doing a
little too much. and his energy was weird and the energy of Tiffany Barker was weird and we
were clear that's potentially just because, you know, he's a politician or an aspiring politician.
Maybe he wants to assert himself as a leader in Utah. This assassination has taken place.
But I also felt like maybe he potentially knew a bit more than he was letting on. Now, the Lyman
family in general was everywhere all over this investigation. Uh, we introduced and I I said his
name was Shane. I'd like to correct that record. His nephew Shainer Brderick who rather notoriously
retraced the footpath of the killer with his two close friends. They were like, "Here, here it is.
The Converse footprint is right here." They even created a map. Okay. Shainer even created a map of
where exactly uh the killer walked and the media used his map. And of course, Phil Lyman's car was
in the driveway just 20 minutes before I Phil Lyman uh reiterated to um Fox News, it was just
20 minutes before I pulled into the driveway at my aunt's house and I parked my car and then 20 minutes later, the killer killer was limping by. Now, I'll let you guys know that when our episode
finished yesterday, I had a message or two from Phil Lyman, despite the fact that I had reached out to him hours before we began our show. And he was understandably upset. He at first was sort of
focusing his energy toward Nick, the person that I told you worked on his campaign and just wanted
to help out in the investigation. Now, Phil would like me to clarify that Nick never worked on his
campaign. And by the way, I looked back and that was actually my mistake, not Nick's. I thought that when Nick had first introduced Lyman to me over the phone that he said, "Oh, like I am
um you know, I'm I'm working on his campaign and apparently that was not accurate." So, I take full credit for that. That was completely again something that I came up with by accident.
Now, the other things that he was interested in me clarifying were also not really substantive
issues. And I want to say that Nick having not worked on his campaign actually makes it even
more odd that he would stop by uh his house this past Saturday. Well, regarding why, by the way,
he stopped by Nick's house at all on Saturday, he said that it was because he was helping Nick
out early on in the investigation. Yes, that is true. I told you guys that. And Nick was particularly asking him to determine who owned a white vehicle that was parked in the neighborhood,
which was nearby where the shooter had walked. Nick lives nearby. And everyone locally had had
looked at this vehicle and said that it was remarkably suspicious. And Phil had come back to him and said, "I can help you just figure out more about this vehicle that was parked." Nick had
nothing but a picture of that. But that was over two weeks ago. So I have no idea why that would
have anything to do with why he was stopping by Nick's place. Obviously that car is long gone.
It's been gone. And the fact that it appeared and then disappeared is one of the reasons why Nick wanted somebody to look into it. So I'm not entirely clear uh why he needed to stop at Nick's
house to speak to him and what why that would be on his list of things to do. Now, I am told
according to a very strong source that was what Phil Lyman was doing um in town on Saturday was
he was meeting with Tim Ballard. That's totally random. Did not expect to hear that. Tim Ballard,
if you are not familiar with him, is formerly of Operation Underground Railroad, which um is a charity that is dedicated to helping to stop human sex trafficking. I even remember,
by the way, when we were all speaking about that plane transponder that turned off that the
individuals that owned that plane were wearing an Operation Underground Railroad t-shirt. And so, I
wasn't expecting that. I am going to reach out to Tim Ballard. I know him. I've actually interviewed him and I used to donate to that charity because I was so moved by my interview with him when I was
working for Prager University. Uh, but moving on from that, Phil also disputes something that was
quite strange, that Shainer Broadick is his nephew. I said, "Okay, wait a minute." Um, actually Shainer Brderick literally posted that on his Instagram. He said, "My uncle Phil Lyman, but
Phil seems like he's trying to distance himself for some reason from Shainer." He said, "Actually,
maybe Shainer's confused. We're just cousins. We're just We're just cousins." Okay. Okay. Well, Shainer must have been very confused because it was also posted on his LinkedIn as a connection
that Phil Lyman was his uncle. Uh it's probably part of the reason politically speaking that
um he was chosen for an internship uh with Senator Mike Lee of Utah. I I feel like that was a little
bit of political maneuvering. So, I'm not clear why that he's suddenly saying that it's not his
nephew. Anyway, it's not up to me. I'm not here to get into the middle of a family feud. But something interesting happened since our ep episode. Shainer completely wiped his LinkedIn
page. Doesn't want to know doesn't want to know who he's connected to. He's also completely wiped his Facebook page entirely. And regarding his Instagram, he's privatized it, but he
privatized it and then removed all of the photos of his investigation uh into who Charlie Kirk's
killer was. Now, that's not that doesn't make any sense to me. I don't understand that. I can't make sense of why um you would just move to delete everything when I reached out to you uh as opposed
to speaking to me about where you were, why you shot this video and maybe sending me that video in general. Um but again, that is now a dead end. Now, I asked Phil Lyman three times via text um
whether or not he could help us, more importantly, identify the two individuals that were in the
photo with his nephew or cousin, if you will. and he was kind of pretending to be confused
about what photo in particular I was referring to despite the fact that I sent it multiple times in the text chain. And then finally he said that he had no idea who those two individuals were
at all. I thought that's interesting. This is allegedly your nephew cousin. You guys are all
chilling on this block around the same time. He's with these two individuals. You've never heard of
them. You never seen them? Nothing. Because uh I got to identify that guy in the blue hat. Many of
you figured out, by the way, and and wrote to the tips box exactly what we were interested about in
that person with the blue hat. Uh you noticed the same thing that we noticed. He kind of resembles,
certainly more so than Tyler Robinson does, the blurred image of the individual that was coming
up the stairs. I I couldn't look away from that. I was going through the photos and I was going, hm, I would just like to quick quickly identify that individual and check him off and just know
where he was because yeah, I it looks to be about the same height. It's weird. Oddly,
this is when I say oddly, I mean this has never happened in the history of all of our investigations. No one emailed us to say that they knew either of those two individuals. either the
blonde that's with Shainer or the person that is wearing the blue hat that is with Shainer. I said,
"That's weird. Nobody in the whole wide Candace Owens universe of investigation." It was making
me believe maybe those two individuals are like, I don't know, from overseas. Like maybe they're
not even American. And it turns out, yeah, we were able to identify one of those individuals in the
photo and he is Austrian. It's no wonder nobody recognized him. I mean, what Austrian? What's
this Austrian guy doing? How did we get here? Anyways, his name is Gerno. and we were able
uh to find that his face matched with photos from a blog post that was written in German.
Um that was basically entitled anniversary hike 10 years on foot to the sea. The blog is about
a group of 30-year-olds who are recreating a hike that they took together when they were 20. Um now I don't even know if I'm saying his name right. Gno Gernot. I guess it's a it is a
uh it is a common name in Austria. And there are a few photos of him uh that were available. We were
able to find his face also matched up in a YouTube video for a company called Bearing Point where he
is seen with a group of people and is introduced as one of their software development teams
um a member of one of their software development teams. So let's take a listen to that clip from YouTube. This is the Bearingpoint office in Gratz. This is where Bearingpoint's key
technology competencies are concentrated. This is one of our software development teams. Some people are managers and some are not. It doesn't matter. It's all one team.
Very recently, he moved to Utah. According to his LinkedIn, which I hope doesn't get wiped.
I'd love to get in touch with him. In May of 2024, he moved to Utah to become a software
engineer for JP Morgan and Chase. And I guess the story goes that he became best friends with
Shainer Broadick. I don't know. We'll find out. Now, what about the other guy? Right.
So yesterday we were kind of poking fun at the narrative that Phil Lyman seemed to be trying to
spin, suggesting that quote unquote Gothic girls might have been suspicious that they maybe could
have been responsible or aware at least that the shooting was going to occur. That was a part of his story. He saw these Gothic girls and they did they seem un unfased in all of the chaos,
you know. And I thought that was an interesting way to describe someone as Gothic. Gratefully,
Phil Lyman did send us footage of him after the shots rang out. And I am saying shots plural for a
reason uh because we will show you that video. But first, I want to recap what specifically Phil said
publicly about where he was when the shots rang out because I vaguely remembered him painting a
picture that he was outside. Uh that certainly seems to be what he told both Alex Jones and
uh News Nation that he was outside when the shot rang out. Let's take a listen to what he said on Alex Jones. Just yesterday, someone comes in, he says, "Yeah, uh we we've got video. He came
off the roof. He walked up. He came up here to the uh parking lot, got in the car with with an individual and they and they drove away." Well, that's not the story that came. So that he that
he escaped another route and there there's there are people who are coordinating this thing. I I do not believe that that 306 that they showed recovered in the bushes was ever on the roof. I
think it was in the bushes to start with. And now I'm not saying that that Tyler Robinson wasn't on the roof. I'm not saying he didn't pull a trigger. Uh I know was I was in very very close proximity.
So another interesting thing, like I say, I I left the front of the stage. I wanted to meet some of my friends and bring him down front. So I was clear at the east end and I heard this loud
boom. I heard this loud bang and I turned around. I'm looking like, "What was that? What was that?" and and um pretty soon some people started, you know, running. Everyone was trying to process and
I thought, "This is a gunshot." And there's going to be more of them. I thought it could turn into a mass shooting. So, I go to the people closest to me. Everyone's ducking down behind the the
concrete uh retaining walls. And some of them were still kind of oblivious, but there were two people that were standing there. Uh two girls, very goth, very black, you know, and and I just walked I
stepped up to the side of them. I said, "Did that not happen right here? Did Did you hear that? was that right here? They said, "Yeah, it was just right over there." So, they're confirming,
"Yeah, the shooter or or wherever that sound came from is right here." The thing that didn't really dawn on me is that they were not running. They were not frightened. In fact, as I stepped up,
I heard one of the girls um and they were talking to each other and they're looking at these kids, looking at the scene down below of all these people fleeing for their lives. And she says,
"Go f yourselves." Um and uh and and like I say, I was not processing that. I was trying to
figure out what was going on. I thought this is a separate conversation. I don't know what it is. In hindsight, as I've watched that over and over, it's like these these people were not afraid.
Okay. And on News Nation, I want you to listen carefully because he at first says that he was about to walk into the building and the shot rang out, but then he says he ran out of the building
after the shot rang out. So, let's take a listen to that. I walked up top. I had to go meet some people. So, I said, So, I was down there when he started his when he started talking. I thought,
I'm going to go up top and meet some of the people. So, I got up clear up on top and I was just coming around the corner walking into one of the buildings and I heard a loud bang that
I thought was right behind me and I turned around looked at the the girl that was there and she was kind of looking stunned like what was that and I'm looking at her and then see a little bit of
commotion. I realized right then it's a gunshot. So, so I ran out uh the people running into the
building. I ran out to see who it was. You I'm thinking this is this is a lot of kids out here.
And and then pretty, you know, a few minutes later then the police were running saying, "Did anybody
see? Did anybody see?" I think it was on the roof above me. I really uh is is the only thing I could figure because it's like he has to it had to have been very very close to where I'm standing. And
in hindsight, I think it was probably above me on the roof. Okay, so a couple of those statements
are what I would describe as little lies. Um, well, they're just not true because at 12:23,
according to his metadata, because he sent it to me, Bill Lyman was inside of the building and
he must have then immediately, according to our timeline, hit record and he didn't run. He calmly
walked out of Sorenson building. I hope I'm saying that right, the Senson building. And he wasn't the only one that was walking calmly. And I'm not, by the way, none of these people are suspicious
to me. Walking calmly because they're inside the building, not really sure what they heard perhaps,
and they're all kind of walking calmly out. And I'm going to show you that footage. And
to be clear, you're going to see two girls that are simply wearing black. By no stretch
of an imagination would I refer to these girls as gothic. Uh, actually, I think one of them is actually a guy, but they're wearing black, not dark makeup. There's just black. And he asks them,
what I can hear audibly is he asks them, "What was that?" Uh, so I I don't know how certain he was that it could have been a shooting, but we're I'm going to let you watch it first and then
we're going to try to clean up the audio. Now, if you're listening to this on a podcast and you're not be able to watch this, you might want to turn this down uh because it is visual. Take a look.
So you can just sort of see everyone on up top. A couple of people were actually out there are
ducking. He was on the inside. Like I said, this was at 12:23. So he was inside, walked out,
and then he's going to start a conversation with two people that are just wearing black.
And then you see he continues if he digs on for like three minutes and he just he just sort of walks down and he engages in a conversation with those two girls and they answer him. Doesn't
there's nothing here that seems to me to be controversial. Um when he hears them say something about FU, it's before he has a conversation with him. It does happen. Uh take a listen.
trying to isolate this audio for you guys. Those those are the two girls he's talk talking about.
[Music] You see where that came from? It was right here, wasn't it? It was like over here. Yeah.
So, he says, "Did you see where that came from?" It seems like a normal conversation. Kind of weird for me. And there's a reason why I'm saying that. to hone in on these two individuals and to say
like gothic um and to pretend that they were doing something that looked abnormal given the fact that in the longer video everyone up top is quite calm because I don't think they're really entirely
sure what is happening. Uh and some of them are ducking because maybe they saw it because they were outside. So I wanted to get to the bottom as I said earlier of who that second person was in
the photo with his nephew, cousin, whatever you want to call him. and we got just one hit and it
was honestly it was from Belfast, North Ireland, no less. Somebody sent us an email and he said,
"Look, I conducted an interview an an internetwide search of the person's face and I only got one hit
using technology." And the the hit was in Provo, Utah. and he wrote to me that it was quite a
coincidence because not only is the person in Provo for this one hit for the space, but also
uh he's featured on a website pertaining to bees and he's like, "Didn't you just do a thing saying
that you had this weird thing about bees and you thought there, you know, there was something else going on?" And my goodness, you guys, I almost jumped when I learned that that website he was
referring to, Buzzard and Bees, is a gothic underground in Provo. Okay, so this is this
is the website. It's a Gothic underground of all things in Provo. The website Buzzard and Bees and
they're speaking about a gothic prom. That is where that person's face comes up except he's
wearing makeup to make him well look a little more gothic. Take a look at this. I'm going to show you the side by side of this individual. And I am certain can't say 100% okay because
we need to find this person's name. But this is a match. Okay, the ears, the chin, just everything
about this individual is a match. But he is as of yet identified as a goth uh unidentified, pardon,
as a gothic person. And he is also as of yet unidentified um as the close friend of Shainer
Brderick who cannot uh be found anywhere else or people are not familiar with this person. So I'm thinking maybe he also came from overseas. Now, quickly regarding our question pertaining to Mike
Mitchell, right, I was saying that it was pretty odd and obvious that they were trying to protect
this detective Mike Mitchell. We also learned that he's a boy scout leader uh in the LDS church,
but usually if you have a long tenure as a police officer, you're just featured in a lot of articles. Uh, and then we received some leads that I think have helped to clarify exactly what
sort of a detective he was and maybe why he was not featured in a lot of articles because he was,
as it appears to be, uh, a undercover detective. By all accounts, he was an online detective.
Apparently, if this is the correct Mike Mitchell and given the timeline of when he becomes an
undercover detective, I have a strong hunch that it is the right the right individual because he
says, you know, he was on the force for 25 years. This individual began his career in 1999. Uh his
job, Detective Mike Mitchell, was to create messages online to entra pedophiles. Okay? By
pretending that he was underage. You guys know, you've heard about these sorts of stings. uh you pretend that you're underage as an officer and see people that try to hook up with you. Um and then
you make an arrest. And so we can take a look at this article from November of 1999. It says
uh police surf internet to snag pedophiles. And it tells us Mike Mitchell sits at a desk tapping on a
computer keyboard and becomes a boy. He's chatting with someone now. His words are full of typos and
misspellings and childlike phrases. Mike Mitchell is not a boy. He is a police detective hunting for
a pedophile. But the hunted doesn't know that. Mitchell, a detective with the Salt Lake County
Sheriff's Office, has been investigating child sex crimes on the internet for about a year. I
don't think people realize how big it is. He he tells them. Okay. So, that's interesting to me.
Okay. And we we can't then go, okay, let's make a jump here. Just because he's creating messages online first and foremost doesn't necessarily mean that he's the person that authored the fake bed
messages. And I and I'm implying that, but I do actually thought it was quite interesting because when we covered George Zinn, who was the decoy boy that day, who then we find out is into um uh
pedophilia, right? And he gets arrested because he has children being sexually abused on his phone.
Absolutely despicable person. It really made us wonder, again, I said this on a previous episode,
whether or not he had been blackmailed in some capacity to play the decoy boy and to give the
shooter time to get away. I just find that to be interesting. A lot of stuff happening right now,
guys, and we are definitively getting closer to what took place on that day, and we have a lot of leads that are coming in. Um, and I want to say that I want to refocus your
attention and now open this up internationally because I have a hunch on who that goth kid is.
Okay. Somebody attended this goth prom in Provo, Utah. Somebody overseas perhaps recognizes that
person. Like I said, I would I would venture a guess that he is not from Utah because I've
never seen uh no hits come in. Somebody saying I went to high school with him. And um yeah,
that's what I want you to focus your attention on. [email protected]. Again, reminding you guys, please do not send us uh because we're we're such a small team. Please do not send us Tik Tok videos
and saying you should watch this or you know, look at this theory. Reserve that to simply tagging our
accounts when you are on those specific apps and uh we will pick up from there. We got to
get into the Charlie Kirk legacy. I am pretty fired up about that and I'm pretty disgusted at
a lot of stuff that I'm learning.

Okay guys, so let's get into this. I mean, the attacks have not stopped. The attacks
that are coming at me are good, though, because I am just feeling more and more energized by them. I understand exactly what is going on. Um, the people fighting for Charlie Kirk's legacy.
I got to say this. You know what? I am starting to think, and let me know if you think this is crazy,
but I'm starting to think that the assassination of Charlie Kirk uh was something akin to a
reicside, right? The assassination of a king to install a new ruler who the king would have
never approved of, right? Maybe people around him counseling the king, people who perhaps betrayed
him. because there are just too many things that I am finding out that are not adding up to me. Okay,
there are also I do want to say this, too many first times leading up to this event. Okay,
one person who emailed me uh said, "Hey, I've been supplying bulletproof vests to Charlie
for all of these campus tours and suddenly last semester, last spring, the last campus tour, they
cancelled. They canceled my contract with them. They did not want to renew. When I asked them why, they told me that Charlie wanted to go a different direction by getting an army vest instead,
like a metal army vest, I believe, is what he says. And he said this made no sense to me. Didn't understand it. Okay. So, Charlie decided they decided to use a new company, even though I don't
think he was actually wearing a bullet vest on that day. So, what happened there? I'm not sure.
Something else that is really bothering me just because I have done these campus tours
is the question of why Charlie was set to do two events in Utah a mere 20 days apart. Okay,
he was supposed to do UVU and then today was scheduled to do just 20 days later USU. Now,
those two campuses are uh just under two hours apart if you're driving. Why on earth would he
schedule these events apart? It's not how Turning Point USA normally decides on their events. If you're going to do uh two stops in one state, they make it happen back to back because it doesn't
make sense uh from a fuel perspective, from a traveling perspective for you to go in and out of
one state. Plus, they only have a limited number of events, right? So, they want to make sure they can go all over the United States and see as many students as possible during every tour. This is
how it works. I know how it works because I came from Turning Point USA. Okay. I have toured with them every year with the exception of this year uh since I uh started working for Charlie. So,
that just struck me as very odd. Okay. We've also received or maybe I should say maybe not odd,
just something new maybe. Uh we've also received a lot of tips that the hospital that Charlie was
taken to is not the closest hospital and it also would not have been the number one choice hospital
for someone that was suffering from that sort of a wound like it was uh a trauma 3 center. He was
taken to a smaller regional hospital that was a little farther away and was further away and was
also less equipped for the trauma that he suffered that he was taken to Temponogos Regional Hospital.
And also something new is that that hospital had just announced that they had a a brand new CEO
and head surgeon named Andrew Zanger. a lot of new stuff happening. And to be clear, typically uh the
states dictate the protocol and you're required to after you have a certain number of attendees at an
event, you are required to have an ambulance on standby. And I don't know Utah state law. Uh but I also found that that weird uh that there wouldn't have been an ambulance on standby. Again,
correct me if I'm wrong. Uh but seemed atypical to me. Now, in terms of other things that were new,
they announced uh on that same day that Andrew Zanger was announced as a new CEO, that was also the day that they announced Charlie's tour. They announced five dates and two of them were in Utah
uh dispersed throughout the month. And it is also interesting to know that the Utah FBI also got a
brand a new set of employees, the state FBI department. Cash Patel went ahead and fired
not only the chief of the Utah bureau uh but also some other people. You can see this in the Daily Mail article. They recount this after Charlie's death. Cash Patel questions grow as it's revealed
he gutted the Utah FBI leadership before Charlie Kirk's assassination. That is true. He fired the
chief among other people and replaced her with Robert BS in in August. I think Robert Bulls
actually it was his first week uh when Charlie got shot and he's somebody who has been in DC for
decades. So seems to me to be an unusual placement to then want to reup your entire life assuming
you have a wife and kids and move to Utah. But whatever. Again everything just feels a little too
brand new to me. Then I speak to the individual who I told you guys that I recognized that had
taken down the cameras minute what was it minute four after Charlie was shot. the back camera of all the ones when you take the front camera. I don't know. Again, I'm not here to read into
how people might act in an emergency event, but I thought it was weird that he was there in general, actually, that he was behind Charlie the entire time. I've never seen that. He's never been behind
me at an event. He's never been lingering around me at an event. And I asked about that. I asked
about just his presence behind Charlie. Um, and plus the mysterious phone call that he was seen
making in like minute three after Charlie uh was assassinated. And he he told me explicitly that
they were trying something new that day. Like it was something new. Charlie's super ambitious. And on the AV thing, they were trying something new and they wanted to be able to feed it
back instantly uh to Arizona. None of it makes sense to me because these events are typically
live streamed. But again, something new. Okay, so let's stick with that theme. Do you want to know
The "letter" and Charlie's real perspective on Israel.
something else that was brand new leading up to this event? Charlie's perspective on Israel. Okay,
so let me say this so you can hear it. Charlie Kirk's perspective on Israel was not starting
to shift. It had shifted entirely. Okay, there are no ifs and there are no ands and there are no buts
about it. Israel knew that. Turning Point USA knew that because Charlie was explicit. So my question
is, why isn't Turning Point USA making any statements and shutting down this repeat attempt
by Israel to lie and to pretend that towards the end Charlie was just authoring love letters to
Israel, giving them a perspective of here's how we can win uh the prop. Here's what you guys need to
do. You need to work with this hell, whatever it is. You have the same people that are calling me anti-semitic. You need to work with those people harder. And he was just putting it on paper. Was
it an email? What was that that they were sharing on the New York Post? The Israeli Post, right? What were they sharing there? He wrote of his deep love for Israel. He had nothing else to do in May.
Wrote of his deep love for Israel to a letter to Netanyahu. Netanyahu said they were close,
but in the letter Charlie puts his number, which apparently Netanyahu didn't have his number. Um,
and we're supposed to believe did he send that as an email? By the way, can somebody clarify? Was that an email they were sharing or did he send it in the mail to him? Could somebody share that,
please? I'm assuming it was an email. Can someone share the time stamp on that? Just kind of like
authenticate that email because.

I'm very aware of what's going on. Okay. And I don't know how the executives over at Turning Point USA sleep at night. Okay. I don't know how you can present yourselves as a Christian organization and not be dedicating yourself to the truth. No matter what the cost is, you tell the truth. That's it. Okay? You don't hide it. You don't try to obfuscate it. You don't try to say, "Well, wait until the memorial event before we start looking into who murdered him." You tell the truth, and you tell it immediately. And I don't think they're capable of doing that. And I have an idea as to why that is. I think the same people that were pressuring Charlie, are pressuring them. In fact, I know that for a fact. So, they might need my help.

Okay, I'm going to state this and I'm going to challenge Turning Point USA executives to issue a very clean statement saying that I am lying if this is not true. About 48 hours before Charlie Kirk died, Charlie informed people at Turning Point, as well as Jewish donors and a rabbi, that he had no choice but to abandon the pro-Israel cause outright. Okay? Charlie was done. He said it explicitly, that he refused to be bullied anymore by the Jewish donors. Can you guys answer? Did he express that? Did he also express that he wanted to bring me -- Candace Owens -- back, because he was standing up for himself? And then did he, just 48 hours later, conveniently catch a bullet to the throat before our onstage reunion could happen? It's a yes or a no. Okay? Let's stop this ditching. Let's not the dodging. It's like explicitly I want to hear from Turning Point USA that I'm lying about that. I want you to say, "No. He was feeling a little bit of pressure." No, I want you to literally answer what I have just
said. It either happened, or it didn't. I'm either making it all up, or it happened exactly as I'm saying.

And while we're at it, may I ask, what is the name of the Jewish donor who sponsored the Hampton's weekend?

Okay. And to Pastor Rob McCoy. Were there any LLC's that you or your son were being paid through that sat outside of Turning Point? I'm asking that question genuinely. Yeah, I'm putting the fire here right at the feet of Turning Point, because I am disgusted. I am genuinely disgusted. I am looking around and wondering whether Charlie's entire life was The Truman Show. None of you guys are behaving in the way that you should be behaving. Okay? There is no way you are letting these lies fly. Unless, as I am hearing, unless it is true that there was a big big big payday that was on the line. And if Charlie radically stated that he was done with Israel, if Charlie said he had no choice but to abandon the pro-Israel cause because of, and I quote, "Jewish donors, the behavior of Jewish donors," if he said that, yes or no, well then I don't know, maybe some people didn't want to take that risk that he was going to. What become of Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson at Turning Point USA with so much presence across college campuses? Maybe they didn't want to take a chance.

You see, I'm just one person, so it's easy to just try to cancel my life and lie on me every second of every day. But Turning Point USA, I think, got a little bit bigger than Charlie. And I'm no longer going to allow this lie in this narrative. So answer the questions yes or no. And I'm going to again challenge you to lie. And if you do lie, I'm going to expose the lies, and I'm going to start dropping videos actually. So that's where I'm at. Enough of the games. Enough with trying to allow Israel to wrangle a narrative that you know is not true. Charlie did not die pro-Israel. He did not die for Israel. He did not martyr himself as a friend of Israel. In fact, the friends of Israel were pressuring him really badly, and he was done. And he finally stood up for himself, and I'm proud of that. And I will say this. You know what? Somewhere Charlie is watching. And I hope he knows that we are reunited. Okay, we're on stage right now, and the Jewish donors are very angry about it. Extremely angry about it. But it feels good to know that in the end truth is going to win. So accept my challenge or don't.

All right, you guys. Um hope I've made myself clear. I'm done dancing. I am done dancing with
all of these frauds. It's just unbelievable. Um it really is unbelievable. Do me a favor.
Uh, don't ever let anybody try to speak out who just tortured me my whole life and then pretend
to say something nice. Please don't do that. That just call them out on being hideous individuals. You know, when you end up in a world where like a couple of days before Charlie Kirk dies, someone
like Laura Loomer is calling him anti-semite and she's funded by the one of Charlie's donors,
Bob Showman, who then does a 180 and is now pretending that she is morally fighting me to
stop researching into Charlie's murder. You know exactly what kind of world you live in. Politics sickens me. It really does. Everybody who has a little a wish out there, oh Candace,
like jump into politics. I hate these people. I hate everybody involved in politics. It is all
about money. Okay? They all sell their souls for money and there are no real relationships. And I
hope that you are learning that. Um if you're you're getting a lesson about that right now and it's not left or right. Um I think which is something that I learned. It is not left
or right. It is just individuals selling their souls. Comment from Rose. Rose writes, "No matter
Comments.
what videos I've seen from people on the left or right calling you crazy, I call it faking gay. You have my full support. Truth is all that matters in Crisis King." Yeah, here is the thing. People know
truth when they hear it. Okay? You know truth. You know truth when you see it. You know when people
are lying and you can see the campaign now. It's obvious, right? It's all the same people making
videos at the same time, posting at the same time. people that are accepting money through an agent of Israel somehow. I've also got contracts got contracts as well. Um how these people are getting
paid quote unquote 501c3s dedicating themselves to the fellowship of Christians and I mean it is
a really disturbing market. But you would think that following an assassination that people would
tether themselves to reality that they would say I want to fight evil and they would therefore commit
themselves to truth. What I'm seeing right now is just stunning. It really is. I mean, I think um uh his name online is anomaly. AJ tweeted, "Is this what happened after the JFK assassination?
Did all of his friends uh race to say, don't investigate. Don't investigate. Accept the narrative as it is. Maybe we weren't alive. Maybe." AJ Murphy writes, "I'm a progressive
who disagrees with you on a lot, but as a fellow Catholic, I see the Holy Spirit working through you to find truth. We are fighting a spiritual war against evil. The left and the right must
come together to fight authoritarianism." How to do that? By the way, I want to say this to people at home, take your children out of these schools. All of them. Okay? I cannot stress this enough.
Homeschool your children. Make it work no matter what. Stop sending them to the universities. Okay?
There is a real underground. It is a communist underground. It is real. It is 100% real. It is
not imagined. And what they want, the one resource that these people want are your children. Simple
thing that you can do. Okay? I know it takes a lot of adjustment. I'm waking up and I'm homeschooling my kids. Um, and but by the way, it's the most rewarding thing in the world. Also,
it just started this week. Uh, so it's only been for two days, but it's incredible how happy it makes me knowing that I am I am doing something to buck the trend as we are slipping further into
authoritarian rule. Ashlin Bigalow writes, "Advocating for a weekly Candace crash out
followed by, I'd like to apologize for my tone 10 seconds ago." Yeah, I'm I'm kind of Yeah, that's
I should do that. You're right. And I do I should apologize for my tone maybe like five minutes ago. I'm trying to be more conscious, but I am h man. I'm working on this anger. I'm working on uh just
really appreciating how fake and gay it all is. Like I am just seeing these people just say move
on. Move on from Charlie. It's good. We're going to accept the narrative. We're just going to let the FBI do what the FBI does and we're just going to pretend these glaring obvious lies and holes
mean nothing and also work behind the scenes with the very people that were torturing Charlie. That is just not allowed. It's not allowed. Natalie writes, "Canis, I am giddy af watching you today.
You are on fire to your audience. Let's keep up the prayers, y'all. Christ is king." Um, thank you so much, Natalie. I really appreciate that and I appreciate all of your support. Marzy,
um, thank you for your support. Marzy writes, "Hey, Candace, in my super chat yesterday, I got keyholeing and internal bullet bouncing confused." Oh, okay. I remember that you commented about
that. Keyholeing is if the bullet is too slow and tumbles and has external impact. The other
is pinball bullets where they bounce internally causing internal damage to the target. So pinball bullets are the ones that cause internal damage. Very interesting. Um George writes, "We love you,
Candy." Oh, uh I pray the truth gets out soon. Keep up the great work. The truth, George. It's
inevitable. It is. It's uh not fun to be a liar because you got to squirm. And I I appreciate
the hand that they played here. I I totally get the hand that they played here. They are lying.
Uh there have been a lot of lies that have been told from the very beginning and the idea that
Charlie was per when he died ends today. That just ends today. Uh HMM writes, "Please stay safe. Uh
if I buy a shirt, please don't do a Cardi B and call me out for my triple X sizes." By the way, we
do have some new merch. You guys uh demanded this. We're also going to make sure that you have the
most appropriate kit on you. Uh we don't know. No, no, but we know is the new Standis Cup that just
dropped. It's pretty good. We don't know. No, but we know. And uh we're about to No, no, if you know
what I mean. Okay. So, you can get your Sandis Cup available on the kennace.com website. There's also t-shirts that are available for you. Somebody put in request for a tank top. So, we have that.
Finally getting you some kit. We'll drop more in the future, too. Uh because that's the vibe. That is the vibe. Go with your gut on things. And I loved that yesterday's episode, the number one
comment was that Charlie used to say that like go with your gut. There's there's something there. And I'm realizing more and more, guys, like we we have a God intuition. That is our gut. Your gut
instinct is your God instinct. And we all know something's not right here. And the media has never worked harder to try to tell us, "No, no, no, no, just move along." And yeah, I proclaim
reicide. Okay? I don't like it. And we are getting closer. So again, be uh very uh I guess careful or
or mindful rather is a better word there. Be very mindful if you are sending us a email to [email protected]. We are still working to identify our goth suspect is not the girl who was wearing
black but rather the person that was in the photos with nephew cousin Brick. Um and we if you know
something please send us tips at canace.com. Uh we will have more for you tomorrow. Some other
stuff that I've been holding close to my chest about where we are hearing uh Charlie's wounds
were. So I I hate to leave you on a cliffhanger. I don't actually hate to leave you on a cliffhanger.
It brings you back. And I love you guys. You guys keep us fighting. We'll see you tomorrow. [Music]

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Megyn Kelly Gets DEMANDED To Disavow Candace Owens & Tucker Carlson
by Cenk Uygur and Ana Kasparian
The Young Turks
Sep 30, 2025 6 products

Megyn Kelly is taking criticism from both sides of political aisle for standing by Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens and their right to speak about Israel. Cenk Uygur and Ana Kasparian discuss on The Young Turks.



Charlie Kirk gets called anti-semitic
The behavior by a lot, both privately and publicly,
are pushing people like you and me away.
I have text messages, Megan calling me an anti-Semite.
I am learning biblical Hebrew and writing a book on the Shabbat.
I honor the Shabbat, literally the Jewish Sabbath.
It is dozens of texts.
Yes. Then we start to say, hold the boat here.
And and to be fair, some of my really good Jewish friends
are like, that's not all of us.
It's all. But these are leaders too, though, right?
- These are these are stakeholders, right? - Well, back in August,
Megyn Kelly spoke to Charlie Kirk about some of the extreme pressure
that they both were facing in order to agree with anything and everything that
the Israeli government demanded of them.
And the topic actually came back again yesterday with Megyn Kelly
essentially referencing their exchange on social media.
But all that did was lead to a fresh round of backlash toward Kelly,
including from a group of vocal critics who absolutely demanded that she
disavow Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson and essentially sever ties with them.
And I have to say, whatever you might think about all the different figures
involved in this story, I am going to give Megyn Kelly major props for her reaction.
Her response.
So we'll get to that in a second. But first, a bit of context.
So the right wing has been debating this letter that Charlie Kirk sent
to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in May of this year.
Kirk's letter to Netanyahu
Now, Netanyahu had referenced that letter, or at least one part of that letter,
in interviews that he did shortly after, Charlie Kirk was violently
and viciously assassinated.
And he also claimed that Charlie Kirk was, you know, a huge supporter,
highly supportive of Israel.
Others like Owens and Carlson, though, disputed that narrative.
Okay.
So, look, I'll give you guys a little bit of background.
I don't think that I'm disclosing anything that's not allowed.
But if you guys can remember, I was on Tucker Carlson's show at one point
this year, and I got a text message from Tucker Carlson shortly after it aired, and
he told me that, Charlie Kirk loved it.
He thought it was an excellent conversation.
And Charlie would like you to go on his show to talk about these issues.
And so it was basically Tucker's way of letting me know that Charlie Kirk liked
what I had to say about Israel and wanted to discuss it further on his podcast.
Now, obviously, I hadn't gone on Charlie Kirk's podcast before he was assassinated,
but I do think that he had criticisms of what Israel is carrying out in Gaza.
He had been on the record.
He was very vocal against invading Iran for regime change war.
Now the full letter has come out and I've read it.
And to be honest with you, that letter does not make it appear
as though Charlie Kirk hated Netanyahu.
But there had been other criticisms that he had either uttered himself, not
as, as strongly, in terms of criticism.
But, you know, he had slowly but surely started criticizing some of the conduct
of the Israeli government.
That's not really shocking or surprising if you've been paying attention
to the story.
Now, in that letter, for the most part, Kirk shied away
from any strong criticism of Israel.
Instead, he advised Netanyahu and his government to essentially work
on social media outreach in order to stop young conservative
Americans from turning against Israel.
And so yesterday, Kelly posted about her conversation with Kirk.
Writing the Charlie Kirk letter to Bibi is interesting for obvious reasons, but if
you want to hear Charlie in his own words,
speaking to a friend regarding his feelings on Israel and the pressure
on him, it's all here on August 6th.
No filter needed. Just listen to him.
And he was very upset in that conversation because he felt that the criticism that he
had leveled against the Israeli government had led to smears against him,
allegations that he's anti-Semitic.
You get the picture.
But rather than address the substance of Megyn Kelly's post,
Critics demand Megyn Kelly separate from Candace & Tucker
she was told by multiple people that she has to absolutely wash her hands
of Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson.
So, here's one of the responses.
Florida Dad wrote on X if you can't separate yourself from Candace Owens,
many of us are going to separate ourselves from you.
We do not have to align with everyone that claims to be of the right, when their
motives and history are as shady as hers.
And Kelly actually responded to that post in particular, saying, look at this.
No, I have no obligation to separate myself from anyone.
I run my own media company and my own show.
That show is where I express my own opinions, and I will decide what I
will decide what, what not to opine on.
If you need me to condemn Candace or Tucker for their opinions in order to
listen to me, then I may not be for you.
He's a close friend and she is under enough pressure
without gratuitous shots from me.
My fight is with the left, not these two. I didn't like that very last part.
I mean, at the end of the day, we're all Americans.
So let's have a discussion about what suits Americans as opposed to what's
the best for Israel and Israel supporters.
But nonetheless, overall, I really appreciated that message.
She caught some heat from others as a result of that response.
I'll go to that in a minute.
But Jake, I wanted to get your thoughts first.
Yeah, I got a lot of thoughts, but I'm also curious about the audience's thoughts
here because we got an interesting live audience that's mixed politics.
So we're doing something on the live chat, and I like it
when you guys are part of the show.
Will Megyn Kelly gain or lose support because of this?
Okay.
And I'm curious what you guys think of that.
I think she's if she sticks with it.
And there's an interesting update here about a rumor regarding Megyn Kelly
that I'm going to get to in a second.
But if she sticks with the stance, I think she'll gain support.
To in fact, to that point.
And I think that the Florida dad guy and all those things.
Other than a couple of folks who are actual influencers
that we know their names and, and and they, you know, stand with Israel, etc.
I think all the rest of them, I don't think they're real right wingers.
I mean, they might be right wingers who are pro-Israel, but they're mainly Israel.
Firsters. Right.
So the Israel first crowd does this hilarious thing where they're like, well,
everyone on the right loves Israel.
And so if you're criticizing Israel or you're not condemning Tucker Carlson
and Candace Owens for criticizing Israel, then you know what you get all
of the right wing is going to leave you.
All right, well, let's see how that turns out.
Our audience is guessing that 71, 72% of you, that they're not going to leave, that
she's going to gain support for, you know, not criticizing Tucker and Candace, etc..
Right.
And so and that's exactly what Netanyahu is in a panic over.
- He's like. - Oh, we're losing.
We're losing them, right?
So there was a rumor today, and it was she vehemently denies, and I hope
that she's telling the truth and tonight.
And it's her denial made me believe that she is telling the truth, that that CBS
was going to offer her a large contract.
Now, remember CBS bought by pro-Israel zealots and and they and they also bought
free press and free and they said we're basically they said in the New York Post,
they're overpaying for free press because they're pro-Israel.
Right.
So so now if they go around and go, hey, you know what?
We know how to stem the tide.
We'll grab Megyn Kelly and a couple other big right wingers,
because we really need to hold the wall on the right wing and we'll just bribe them.
We'll give them 20 million, 40 million a year.
And it seems like a normal contract.
They used to have those kind of contracts in TV back in the day,
when TV made a lot of money.
Nobody will notice, but that way we'll say, hey, you know what?
Oh, we are not telling you to be pro-Israel.
We are just saying we are going to give you a lot of money.
Right. Just like we did with Free Press.
But Megyn Kelly says, no, no, no, that rumor is nonsense.
I didn't go to CBS, they didn't make an offer, etc.
Strategy pro-Israel zealots are getting wrong
But I am a little worried that that's the next strategy.
But for but there is one strategy. They're getting massively wrong.
Anna.
And this whole thing of like that they've done to the left
for the entirety of our lives.
Like if you criticize Israel an inch and.
- They Semite cancel on firearm. - Right.
And then later arrest, deport, etc..
Now when you do it to the right, you're doing it to the wrong hombres, guys who've
been called racist and this and sexist and every other word a thousand times over,
that stuff bounces off of them.
- In fact, it makes them hate you. - So. Israel, good point.
Please do us a favor and keep calling Megyn Kelly and Tucker
and everyone else anti-Semites.
Call all the right wing influencers anti-Semites, because then the country
will be in favor of the Palestine, like 90% in favor of the Palestinians
within a couple of months.
And that's partly what's spreading this like wildfire.
They don't realize that they're adding fuel to the fire.
They're like.
Oh. Now all of you right wingers, you're all terrible people.
- You hate Jews. - You're full of hate.
- We should cancel. - You.
Right. Good luck with that strategy.
I think that's a terrible strategy. I probably shouldn't say anything.
Oh, no. Israel, please do not do that.
I know, it's just so shortsighted.
And I think part of the problem for Israelis who carry out that tactic
is it worked for so long because it's always been
the left side of the political aisle that's been critical of Israel's conduct
and treatment of the Palestinian people.
Now you have a growing number of right wing voices
who are willing to speak out against it, including Marjorie Taylor Greene.
Obviously, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, Megyn Kelly
is still very much supportive of Israel,
but she was willing to float the idea that Jeffrey Epstein was a mossad asset,
as did Charlie Kirk, by the way.
And so I think you make a really great point about how calling them anti-Semites
or Jew haters isn't going to work the same way that it has for the left.
In fact, it's probably going to have the opposite, opposite reaction.
But in regard to the reactions to Megyn Kelly's response, you know,
to calls to sever her relationship with Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens.
Jonah Goldberg says, so you will condemn anti-Semites on the left,
not because they're anti-Semites, but because they're on the left.
But you won't condemn anti-Semites who are on the right or your friends
because they're not okay.
At least that's a position, I guess.
I don't think she actually believes as I I'm in the same camp,
by the way, she doesn't believe that Tucker Carlson is an anti-Semite.
I don't believe for a second that Tucker Carlson is an anti-Semite, I just don't.
I think Tucker Carlson cares about the United States.
I think, like any other human being who sees endless videos and photos
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of little children maimed and slaughtered.
He's had a negative reaction to that.
And it's not about identity. It's not about religion.
It's not about the Jews.
It's about a specific Israeli government that is completely unhinged
and carrying out atrocities with impunity.
And he is willing to speak out against that.
And the idea that he should be smeared as an anti-Semite for having a problem
with a country that uses our weapons to carry out such atrocities is insane to me.
So I'm glad that Megyn Kelly isn't falling for that trap.
Joel Berry responds.
Loyalty to friends, above all else, is an admirable trait.
I actually agree with that. It makes you a good friend.
I'm not sure that's a luxury afforded to trustworthy journalists, though.
Well, Joel, I guess we're going to have to wait and see.
For me, the fact that she's unwilling to disavow and sever ties with people
who she probably doesn't even think are anti-Semitic
because they're not, is a good thing.
And then we'll end with this exchange between Kelly and Constantine Kissane,
who of course, is very supportive of the Israeli state.
He says the problem with this approach, which many on the right are taking,
is that this is exactly how the left allowed its own extremists to flourish,
and then to become the face of the entire movement.
If you agree with Candace and Tucker, people will respect that.
But to many of us, their behavior is so extreme and so deranged that the
idea that it can be simply ignored because your fight is with the left doesn't wash.
So I'm curious. Constantine.
A video went viral yesterday featuring a doctor at Nasser Hospital getting shot
and killed with a drone attack.
He got shot through a hospital window.
The Israelis used a drone to do it. There's video.
He's a doctor. He was in the hospital working.
Is that not extreme and deranged?
And more importantly, why don't you ever speak out about those atrocities?
Because I sure as hell believe that you would speak out against that atrocity
if it was committed by Hamas,
if Hamas had that type of weaponry and did the same thing to an
Israeli doctor inside an Israeli hospital.
I would speak out against that atrocity because that's a disgusting act.
But for some reason, it's more important to hear Megyn Kelly disavow other right
wing voices because they're not playing along with this dog and pony show.
In regard to the Israeli government and their military operations
in Gaza and the West Bank.
And then she responded with the more, oh God, I love this is like my
favorite tweet of hers of all time because it resonates with me so much.
The more one insists that I say what one demands me to,
the more committed I get in my refusal.
I need everyone to put that in their pipe and smoke it.
Not just in regard to this context and this story, but just in general as it
pertains to Megyn Kelly, but also me.
- Back to you, Jake. - Yeah.
So a lot to say about this. So I saw the same video of the doctor.
He got shot in the head, by the way.
Israel didn't claim he's a terrorist or anything.
They're like, no, we're just randomly executing doctors in Gaza.
By the way, it's a twofer.
Not only do you murder the doctor, but you also prevent him from treating
injured Palestinians and kids and stuff like that so they can die, too.
The Israeli government at this point are obvious terrorists.
They have a worse civilian kill ratio than Hamas does, and they've killed
500 times the number of children.
So it is a terrorist state right now.
And if you're offended by that and want to call me an anti-Semite, I laugh at you.
I laugh at you at the top of my lungs.
I think you're a buffoon who's a racist and a bigot against Palestinians,
and you don't mind them being murdered, and I find you to be morally repugnant.
So what's interesting to me is that the right wing hasn't experienced this at all.
Like, that's such an amazing thing.
Like, we've experienced it our whole lives because I guess they've never,
ever criticized Israel before.
And there's a reason why I'm going to get to that in a second.
But now that for the first time they just a smidge of criticism to Israel.
Boom.
They get hit with the same blast of you're an anti-Semite.
Cancel them. Ruin them.
Right. And they're like, whoa, what is this?
Well, welcome to our world.
That's the world we've been living in this whole time.
And so thank you for mustering up the courage to criticize a foreign government,
especially when you're on the right.
That should be a relatively easy task.
But no, Constantine and others say there should be an exception for Israel.
So cancel culture is terrible. Terrible?
Unless you're doing for Israel.
Then of course, cancel culture is the best.
Cancel anyone who criticizes Israel.
Cancel, right. So?
So that we're totally used to it.
And constant. You could do.
And look, I there's some small number of things I agree and respect Constantine on.
There's a lot of things we disagree on. But this opinion is ridiculous.
And by the way, does not speak for the right wing at all.
That's the other thing that's so arrogant about the Israeli supporters there.
Like I will speak on behalf of the whole country and the right wing.
We all think that everyone who disagrees is an anti-Semite.
You don't speak for anyone.
Dude, look at the polls. Look at the polls.
You lost the right wing. You lost the left wing.
And now this important thing that they're doing here is another tactic.
Again, the left is very used to.
Now the right is being to find out about smear by proxy.
Oh. Tucker said something that Jonah Goldberg thought was anti-Semitic.
Ooh.
Okay. Wow.
I'll have to take that under consideration.
So that means, Megyn Kelly, you are smeared by proxy.
Why did you say Tucker Carlson is the greatest thing ever?
No, no, you have to actively disavow him. Why do they do that?
Because they want to isolate anyone who criticizes Israel
and make them feel toxic and untouchable,
so that no one agrees with them, and then they could cancel
the hell out of them and eject them from the national conversation.
So this is like Israeli propaganda 101.
And if you're on the right wing and you're now experiencing this
for the first time, give me a call.
I'll tell you the whole playbook. They're going to run against you.
- Okay. - Totally.
And how they're going to try to ruin your career and your life.
Everybody in mainstream media knows it. That's why they never criticize Israel.
Why do you think they like, do you think every cable news anchor is a monster?
Who thinks murdering 20,000 Palestinian kids is no big deal?
No, they all know it's terrible,
but they're scared to death of losing their multi-million dollar job because
there's a bunch of thugs inside this country that are pro-Israel and are on a
warpath to eliminate anyone who disagrees.
Now, finally, guys, the most important thing here is why Megyn
Kelly is refusing their demands.
And and Tucker Carlson and Megyn Kelly have made reference to this before.
They said when they were on Fox News, it was different.
Why is it different now?
I'll explain to you why it's different, because at Fox News
you have a $20 million contract.
And Rupert Murdoch loves and serves Israel.
So it you know, if you criticize Israel, you're going to lose
your $20 million a year contract.
So but now that they run their own company, as she said in their own show,
they have to serve the audience.
So if they say things that are popular, they make more money.
If they say things that are unpopular, they make less money,
they have less viewers, etc.
So now their incentives are in the right place.
Make your actual audience happy, not some rando foreign government
because your boss, a media executive, loves Israel, right?
By the way, Rupert Murdoch is not Jewish, so this has nothing to do with religion.
This is some there's a bunch of people who are pro-Israel in this country
that are such giant zealots that they will eliminate anyone on behalf of Israel,
but now they can eliminate Megyn Kelly.
She has her own show.
They can't eliminate Tucker. They can't eliminate us.
And it's driving them crazy.
And I love it. That's right.
Hashtag freedom.