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SUSPICIOUS: More Bizarre Details From WHCD Shooting. Was It Staged? | Candace Ep 339
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BREAKING: As we reported on our show yesterday, approximately 1 Hour following the WHCD shooting, the White House Military Office sent an e-mail directing the amplification of Erika Kirk’s “I want to go home” video clip.

Unfortunately, the e-mail was sent to the wrong internal groups. They then attempted to have I.T revoke the e-mail. When that failed they ordered every person to destroy the e-mail.

I have manually retyped the relevant portion of the e-mail that they wanted destroyed.

(As explained on my show yesterday, this is because the DOD’s IT department has imprinted the e-mail with canary tactics to identify individual leaks)

So the question now is— why did the military so quickly prioritize making Erika Kirk the face of WHCD shooting?

Is that normal emergency protocol or was this unnaturally preplanned?

ADDENDUM-ERIKA KIRK VIDEO CLIP

Video clip of Erika Kirk leaving the ballroom area and stating "I just want to go home" is driving the highest engagement of all incident-related content across platforms

Current digital assessment:

• strongest emotional-response asset associated with incident
• high cross-ideological circulation
• elevated repost velocity among political commentary accounts
• increasing use as symbolic framing device regarding media conduct and national stability narratives

Recommendation: All communications channels should amplify this clip. Coordinate with our digital partners and approved surrogates to elevate reach and ensure dominant placement in the overnight information environment.

Most viral engagement presently centered around attendee reaction clip now circulating broadly across platforms.

EXTERNAL COMMENTARY

Expect aligned outside commentators to independently amplify:

• professionalism of protective response
• media conduct during evacuation
• political-rhetoric escalation concerns
• broader executive-stability themes.


More interesting details emerge regarding the White House's WHCD dinner email, debate over data centers heats up, Paramount Tactical doesn’t understand how alibis work, and a pastor defends Trump's golden statue.



Transcript

Chapter 1: Start.
All right you guys, happy Thursday.
Especially to Breg. I felt so bad that Breijit fell on her face yesterday. I just wanted Breijit to be here for the intro. Breit my Breit doll. My Breit
doll. Anyway, as we were discussing yesterday, scandal at the White House.
Okay. Scandal at the White House. It is in fact a big scandal. We're not going to let this go. We have more people who are talking and it's not looking good.
There seems to be an unholy alliance emerging between Turning Point USA, the White House, and the military. We need to begin the process of foiaing the
communications that went on uh during the evening of April 25th, the day of the alleged White House shooting. So, let's get started. Welcome back to Candace.
Chapter 2: More on the leaked WHCD email.
1 minuteWhere to begin? Let's let's discuss that series Black Mirror. Did you guys watch Black Mirror? It was a highly successful television series. I watched it. It ran
for seven seasons. Now, for those of you who have not seen it, it was essentially about the notistant dystopian
technological future. If I had to boil it down in layman terms, I would say that it sort of implied a moment where
technology would overtake humanity. Uh, every episode is different, but the implication is the same that things are
eventually going to become automated and they are going to be able to monitor and control humanity via systems. So, this
is one of the reasons that I just never ever ever will be a supporter of VR glasses. I tried them one time and just
went nope. I think a lot of people uh maybe tried them the same way, but I I put them on and in my virtual reality, I
was on a cliff and they told me to jump and obviously I knew that I was standing in a room and not actually on a cliff,
but I wouldn't I wouldn't jump. I was terrified. The virtual reality seemed more real to me than the perfectly safe
actual reality that I knew that I was in. It was terrifying, right? just like an episode of Black Mirror to me where they uh I think eventually are aiming to
convince people uh to give up believing in actual reality to instead live in sort of a permanent simulated reality.
Anyway, I really do believe that that is the express goal of the United States military right now. I actually should
say the global military right now. We are living inside of an episode of Black Mirror. It's this is to be clear operation mockingb bird on steroids.
Right after JFK gets assassinated, uh the CIA gets into an alliance with the mainstream media and they begin trying
to control our minds. Just repeat the same talking points. They'll eventually believe it. That's what's been going on, right? It's extended now. The mainstream
media has collapsed and now they say there are these independent voices on social media.
Uh, are they actually independent? Are they a part of a new system that has adapted and is still attempting to
manufacture our reality? Well, turns out the White House correspondents dinner which turned into an emergency is
potentially stunning proof of just the scenario that I'm describing. Like I said, massive scandal. the email that uh
we presented that the White House military office sent out to immediately begin amplifying Erica Kirk of all
people provides us with a rare opportunity to really reflect on what is going on right now in this country and beyond and why. Okay, so let's back this
up. We are supposed to believe that the White House correspondents dinner, the shooting was not staged, right? Gosh, you'd be crazy to think that it was
staged. you would be well a conspiracy theorist, a term that the CIA came up with after they assassinated JFK.
Uh instead, it is supposed to then make more rational sense to us that for the first time in the history of the world,
a sitting president has survived not one, not two, but three separate shooting assassination attempts all in
the span of just under two years. So to be clear, what what I mean is not just like foiled attempts, finding people
online, organizing, discussing, harming the president on the internet, maybe radicalized groups, threatening, uh, plotting to bring harm to him. I'm sure
that goes on all the time all across the world. Uh, but I'm talking about a physical, literal, public shooting attempt where a wouldbe assassin
carrying a loaded gun gets close enough to fire shots or warrant shots being fired to stop him. Trump has survived
three of these attempts. Now, it is truly remarkable. If only his friend Charlie Kirk had that sort of luck.
Right now, just for comparison, there are world leaders who have been in power for much longer than Trump, have been
presidents of countries for over 20 years. Like Vladimir Putin, as just one example, he has been the president of Russia for 22 years. And he has not
endured uh he's not endured that sort of a thing that sort of a pattern despite the re routine demonization of Russia
the nation the people by the entire western media I I don't know maybe Trump should consider hiring his security apparatus that's just a suggestion you
can park that in the suggestion box conspiracy theorists should think critically because they typically do
about the true aims of the White House correspondence dinner. Right? We were at first completely gaslit and told that we were terrible people for suggesting that
the Erica clip seemed to be sort of artificially promoted in our face. But now we have the proof at the very least that its amplification was designed by
the military. That is a fact. Okay, that is now a fact and is a fact that you're probably not going to see the media want to cover. Um,
less we forget. By the way, Dr. Erica Kirk was herself promoted to the Air Force Academy board of visitors in her
husband's uhstead, but for reasons that are not unclear to us if she's qualified. Uh what we know now, which I can confirm to you, is that just ahead
of the White House correspondence dinner shooting, Erica Kirk visited the West Wing. Now, my assumption is that she
went with Andrew Kovvat and Mikey McCoy, but I cannot yet confirm that. Don't worry, I will.
What Erica Kirk was doing in the West Wing is also unknown since we were notified by her that the entire purpose
of her trip to DC, despite telling us that she was terrified um to travel and people were tracking her planes and not even the Secret Service could make her
7 minutesfeel safe. We were then told just a few days later when she was here in a white dress that she did this and braved
everything to confront Daily Mail reporters. Right. Okay. Erica, are the Daily Mail reporters in the West Wing with us now? What are you doing there?
To recap, the shooting happened at 8:39 p.m. 8:39 p.m. Eastern. Sydney Sidner of CNN uploaded the video of Erikica Kirk
at 9:25 p.m. And approximately later, we revealed to you that the White House military office sent out
follow-up instructions uh in an email that accidentally went out to the wrong internal teams. Now, it is important to note, I'm going to show it to you here on the screen because I
was able to manually I just typed it the email verbatim onto uh Microsoft Word to protect my source from that canary email
tactic that's employed by the Department of Defense. Make no mistake, this email is coming from the Department of Defense. But this is verbatim what the
relevant portion of the email read. Here you have it up on the screen. Uh addendum Erica Kirk video clip. Video clip of Erica Kirk leaving the ballroom
area and stating I just want to go home is driving the highest engagement of all incident related content across platforms. Our current digital
assessment is strongest emotional response asset associ associated with incident high cross ideological
circulation elevated repost velocity among political commentary accounts increasing use as symbolic framing
device regarding media conduct and national stability narratives. Our recommendation, that's the recommendation here. All communications channels should amplify this clip,
coordinate with our digital partners, who that is, and our approved surrogates. I'd like to know who those people are to elevate reach and ensure
dominant placement in the overnight information environment. So, they wanted us to wake up on Sunday and the it to be
about Erica Kirk. That that needs to be dominant in the information environment.
9 minutesIt then goes on and this is important too uh to describe external commentary expect aligned outside commentators. So
talking about their surrogates to independently amplify the professionalism of protective response the media conduct during the evacuation
political rhetoric and escalation concerns. We saw all of this happening broader executive stability themes.
Okay, we're going to talk about that later. Now the first astonishing thing about this email is who it came from.
This is important. Okay, the email was delivered from the military office domain from the White House communications agency. Okay, you need to
understand what that means. Um, the White House communications agency is like the the military arm of White House
communications. So, from from some sources within the White House, I'm going to read this quote. The White House Correspondence Agency is a
Department of Defense controlled military communications entity that is embedded inside of the White House itself. Its primary function is
10 minutesmaintaining secure presidential communications continuity infrastructure and command and control systems during
crisis. But the idea that this military-lin communications apparatus participated in domestic narrative
coordination raises profound constitutional and democratic concerns.
Okay. End quote. Now, you should know who the email was sent to because you see some morons online saying, "You can't just type this up. Oh, yeah. That
seems like a really good idea. I'm sure I would just make up an email and expect not to be called out called out on it."
The email was sent to Caroline Levit's press office and team so she can confirm its authenticity. Uh the national security press team, the national
security operations team copied onto this email. We covered some of this yesterday with Steven Chong who is the White House communications director.
Richard Smaly who is the communications officer uh and the information assurance
engineer sounds so dis dystopian at the White House communications agency. So that's a military position. Uh Gustav
Anderly, also military position, information systems manager at the White House Communications Agency. And Ryan
Ripian, Ryan Ripian is the commander of naval communications.
They also have someone named Michaela Mott who was on this email also Navy.
The document reveals the emergence of a modern hybrid system where military communications infrastructure,
intelligence linked monitoring, behavioral analytics, they were monitoring that too. Social media amplification strategies and centralized
federal messaging converge into this unified information controlled architecture operating behind the scenes of public events. Okay, we weren't aware
of this. You're supposed to believe this is happening natural, that you are not being impacted, that you are not being targeted by the government. And and make no mistake, that is that is what we have
12 minutesuncovered. The Department of Defense instructing teams internally on how to immediately begin to engineer and to
conduit our emotions. We, all of us, we were the actual targets of the White House correspondents dinner shooting.
Jokes on you if you thought on us I guess if we thought that it was actually uh the White House, the people that work around the White House and the
Department of Justice during a time period when they should have only been concerned about safety right within an
hour this took place. They prioritized Erica Kirk and engineering our emotions
about her. She is described in the email as an emotional response asset. That is stunning. An emotional response asset.
And there's more. Now, we've also learned from White House sources that something else that was unusual that evening was a the lack of a scramble.
Okay, a lack of scramble. Let me explain do my best to explain what that means.
It's important that you remember that the dinner took place on a Saturday evening across town. Okay, the White House was therefore not open for business. This is a Saturday.
internal teams tell me that what is most remarkable is that for some reason that email uh that evening the the White
House campus security protocol and the perimeters were just out of the ordinary. Everybody was somehow available and on standby for some
unknown reason. Uh were it completely unplanned, you might imagine there would have been this scramble to get all the appropriate personnel uh back to the
White House in time for this unplanned press conference. Maybe they're up in Virginia where they live. Maybe they went on vacation. Maybe they went to go see their families. How are we going to
Whoa, what are we going to do? We got to get back to the White House within two hours of a shooting. But that evening, everything was clean as though they were
all anticipating a late night presser at the White House, which as we as we know and took place at 10:33 p.m. So less than after the shooting.
Everyone just had it together and were there. They said things ran too smoothly. They've been in situations where it is a situation and people
scramble. That was not uh what occurred that night. So, we know the military comms uh wanted Erica Kirk to be number
one by Sunday morning. Check. That was accomplished. Mission extract max attention via the video and max sympathy
for Erica Kirk. And then our emotional asset is going to break her silence on
social media. writing this. Saturday was yet another traumatic example of the evil in our country and the continued
rise in political violence. I'm taking time to spend with my family. I will be joining the Charlie Kirk show Wednesday
at 12:00 p.m. Eastern to briefly address what took place. Enough is enough. Just love that. That transition from I'm taking time to be with my family to and
I will be on the Charlie Kirk show on Wednesday. Just incredible.
Complete lack of self-awareness. Anyway, Erica's uh pending speech in my view was intended to begin phase two of the
military psychological operation highlighted in the email itself. That part I told you to pay extra attention to what they were asking for beyond that
the points that they wanted delivered the professionalism of the protective response was to be highlighted. We saw that all across social media. Bizarre
instant headline Cash Patel a hero. It's just completely ridiculous. This is just this is just you should laugh at this.
Cash Patel's stunning reaction as the shooter opened fired and White House correspondents dinner. He's described as a hero by the way if you read the article because he just says get down.
He instructs others at the table to get down. They I don't know how they somehow got like 800 words out of he said get down and then he got down and he's a
hero. Okay. Guess he needed some good press after he was called an alcoholic.
Uh plus the uh number two on the email list is to highlight the political rhetoric, the escalation concerns.
Remember we started suddenly uh Caroline Lev everybody's starting to talk about hate speech. Oh my god, what's happening? Everybody is is it's it's
these words are violence. Your words are actually violence. Erica Kirk herself um discussed that when Wednesday hit. Take
a listen. And while we may have big problems with illegal immigration in this country, I have to tell you, we have an even
bigger problem when it comes to the systemic indoctrination and radicalization of our own citizens.
This is what got my husband killed.
This is what has led to three legitimate attempts on President Trump's life.
Okay.
And then they list the broader executive stability themes, which you could just say was Trump needs his ballroom, right?
There's just got to be more done to stabilize things. And that's his ballroom.
And I think we may have found the surrogates.
I I think they might be right here, guys. Just have a call it a gut feeling.
Anyway, the ballroom is not something that should be ignored because this is not about a ballroom. Obviously this is about the next step right phase two is
the communication the events you have the communication and then ultimately what is it is intended to be ushered in for humanity and I think it's pretty
Chapter 3: The threat of data centers.
obvious that it's data centers right that's what they want doesn't care about a ballroom he can do events wherever he wants the data center beneath the
ballroom that's what they're suddenly pushing by the way all across America you've seen the headlines a data center intended to twice the size of Manhattan in Utah.
Here's the headline in the Guardian.
Irresponsible. Someone claims uh the people are claiming a backlash as Utah approves a data center twice the size of Manhattan. A plan to create one of the
world's largest data centers. A gargantuan project spanning an area more than twice the size of Manhattan has provoked a furious public backlash in
Utah amid concerns over its vast energy use and impact upon the state's stressed water supplies. The Stratos Artificial
Intelligence Data Center footprint will cover more than 40,000 acres over three sites in Box Elder County in northwestern Utah. The facility will
require um about 9 gawatts of power, which is more than the entire state of Utah currently consumes, and it's going
to suck up a significant amount of water in an area that has been hit by severe drought in recent years. Last week, the project was approved by the county's commissioners despite thousands of objections lodged by Utah residents.
Jokes on you, Utah residents. They will pay off these politicians. They don't care about you. You are something to be managed. There are people that are
corrupt. they will pay them off. We don't care how much you protest. You're getting these data centers. That's what happened here. It goes on to tell us
that the proposed project is backed by Kevin Olirri, the venture capitalist who appeared on the TV show Shark Tank.
Olyri has claimed that Stratos will Stratos will deliver thousands of jobs.
That's what you get. We're going to get data center, probably a few more droughts, but there will be jobs that you should expect and you should want
those jobs. We're going to compete with China. It's the That's the pitch. You're going to compete with China. No, I think what's happening is our government is competing with China to create a
surveillance state. What's happening, right? Tells us that like I said, 4,000 people lodged objections to the project
being approved. Uh the push back led to contentious public meetings uh between that Lee Perry, who was the box elder
county commissioner, said left him feeling physically sick amidst alleged death threats and false accusations.
I'm just going to go ahead and say the government is corrupt. Olyri has claimed in social media posts that most of the protesters don't live locally and have
been paid to object to the project. Oh, I'm sure. Why would someone want to like it must be unnatural humans objecting to
a data center that's going to impact their lives?
Highowered artificial intelligence centers all across the United States.
That's what's happening. But the question is to what end? Okay, what is the actual goal? It's obviously evil and dystopian. If you're not aware of that,
you have to wake up to it. Okay. The aim to me appears very clearly to be a surveillance state. Like I said, they
want what China has. They want to monitor all of us. You're seeing that already at the airport, right? How many pictures can be taken? They're trying to
learn your face. Every single person needs to have a digital ID and this ID and we can know every second where you're going. That's going to require
some data centers. There is an unholy alliance between the military and our press trying to convince us that this is
fine, that it's normal, that we're being thrust into a state where we won't even be able to turn on our cars without government approval, right? They already
can shut down a large portion of cars automatically, the newer ones. They can just literally while you're driving shut that down. Um, but they want more every
they want to know where you are every second of every day, what you're thinking, what you're writing, who you're speaking to.
Listen to this conversation that Kevin Olirri had with Tucker Carlson about his investment in that Utah data center.
I mean, it seems like AI will make it possible to know what every American is doing at all times. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Um, I would say it's not AI that's going to do that. I would say now with the amount of highresolution video uh and
surveillance that is built into every street corner, that's how they solve a lot of crimes. Now, if you don't like Do they solve a lot of crimes? Has the
Has the closure rate for murders in our big cities like what percentage of murders are in New York City or Chicago or Detroit are solved?
I don't I don't I don't track the pretty low actually. It's lower uh in this country than the point is surveillance is a great issue but the enhancement of
surveillance with AI tools is how you now walk through the Dubai airport and you also walk through some airports here
in the US facial recognition technology has finally got to the resolution using AI's tools where it's going to run through your data center there'll be
pictures of all of us in your data center every data center right you don't but you don't have to you don't have to opt into that program.
By the way, I do it for convenience. I'm not hiding anything.
Well, it's on street corners, as you said, so it's anytime you're in public, your face is being surveiled by the It is, but I'm I'm not um doing
nefarious things. I'm not a criminal and I'm not stealing any money from anybody.
So, the definition of nefarious changes, as you know, I mean, hundreds of thousands of American citizens were sent to concentration camps by Franklin Roosevelt because they were Japanese.
Correct.
So, in 1940, it was not a crime to be Japanese. in 1941 it was. So it the definition does change as you know.
It's true. So you you could have those concerns but I ask you again Tucker. I do.
No. And I I know you do. But I ask you again and you haven't answered my question. Do you want the insurance
policy or not? Would you pre would you with all of the nefarious concerns about AI? Which outcome do you prefer as an
American for your family? Would you prefer all of us that are developing these data centers put down our shovels
and stop while the Chinese accelerate theirs? Would you like that?
Yeah, cuz I don't live in China. So, you can just move to China and compete with people in China. That's that is what
makes the most sense to me. You're instead of turning America into China.
Um, as I said, we are looking at an unholy alliance. It is between the military. It is between the press and I would add here Turning Point USA. Okay?
They are not a charity in my view. I h had very early on investigating the Charlie assassination underscored how it
seems that everyone is randomly connected to the military at that organization. Like that was new. That was like it wasn't that way when I was there that suddenly everyone's got this
connection to the military. Now we have Erica Kirk herself artificially appointed to the Air Force Board of
Visitors. Erica not a not a grieving widow. Okay. She's a piece of as far as I'm concerned military technology that's
intended to socially engineer um on behalf of the military. Like that's what she's that's what she's out there doing. She's like a piece of Israeli tech.
Again, my opinion. I'm welcome to it.
It's my show. She socially engineered Charlie with much success. um she's now being used to socially engineer the
public with the full weight of the United States military behind her. I would argue in that way she was intended to be an asset but she has proven
herself to be a liability because the people see right through her. And I would like to add also that everything about the Charlie Kirk assassination
mirrors the White House correspondence dinner strategy being executed in the shadows by the military. Right. the
intended social media virality of the clip. Uh the conversation about Erica, make it about Erica, the
focus about the widow, right? We need the image, the graphics capturing her inside of his casket.
Hit an emotional peak. The world will then wait. They'll feel crushed for her.
Um and then they'll wait to hear her speak. And when she does speak, we hit phase two. Then she instructs us
at a podium. later, same with this uh White House correspondent center. later, she tells us,
"Sign up for Turning Point USA." That's what she did. Sign up for Turning Point USA. Here's what you can do if you want to honor Charlie. Sign up for Turning Point USA right now.
And then beyond that, we should join her a week later in forgiving Tyler Robinson.
This is a pattern. This is a pattern that is emerging. And this email is very serious. We should FOIA request all of
the emails that went out that night. All of the instructions that went out that night about messaging to the public. Uh the AI video of Charlie's voice appointing her to take over for him.
Alleged AI video by the donors who were present in the room and said he never said it. A picture is is starting to emerge.
I believe that with the Charlie Cook assassination, we were made to see and to hear exactly what they wanted us to.
Again, we are the targets. Charlie was a target and we are now the targets and we need to fight this pending dystopian
surveillance state nightmare with everything that we have or we will end up enslaved by this. That's their goal, I have no doubt. And Turning Point
appears to be playing its role. We'll be right back after a break. All right, you guys. Some moments change everything.
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Chapter 4: Andrew Kolvet & Blake Neff want you to email my advertisers.
I also want to add here call it a hunch but I believe that the military is controlling X like we've been speaking about these artificial trends that
appear and disappear when they don't want uh people to be discussing something there that all of that now feels very fake. It didn't feel this way
uh when Jack Dorsey was at was at the helm of Twitter, but there's, like I said, a military alliance with all of
these um Silicon Bros. these a race for AI technology and uh some there's definitely going to be something there that I think is going to be revealed.
Anyway, uh let's talk about some other changes over at Turning Point. So, Charlie Kirk believed in free markets.
Obviously, that's why he established Turning Point USA. That's what he was doing, traveling the country, uh, trying to start up college chapters, telling
people to embrace free market capitalism. That was it. Long before TPUs faith took over, there was that's
what Charlie Kirk's main focus was. So, let's check in on his organization's message. Now, maybe we can find a clue
as to why was once a top 10 show, the Charlie Kirk show, is now averaging 380 views per episode. That is abysmal.
Okay, so on the Charlie Kirkshire, they do this thing where despite these very low views, they pretend that they have live callers. And just so you know how
this works in the industry, when you don't have uh anybody calling, they just get a producer to go into the kitchen and fake call and ask the question that
you actually want to answer. So they pretend. And it's like, "Oh, I didn't even want to talk about this topic." But since you asked, producer in the kitchen
pretending to be Barbara from Manhattan, I I'll say what I actually just want to say. We don't have the courage to say.
And would you know, I can't believe I missed this, that on the very weekend that I told you guys that all of these zyobots, as I as I term them, we should
call them Shabbat, right? Uh these Israeli clone accounts that are like super pro- Erica, pro Turning Point USA,
pro blowing up Palestinian kids. like you could just draw a direct line on X began trying to organize this boycott of my advertisers.
Well, guess what? Guess who did it first in a gentle way? Blake Nef and Andrew Kovette. That's who signaled it first. I
cannot believe I missed this clip from their Friday uh May 8th show. Take a listen.
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And you know, it's interesting if it was a different category then uh maybe I would
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it's listen, it's saving babies. And if if if that's one of the good things that comes out of that partnership, then I'm
I'm I'm all for it actually. And and I've thought hard about this and I've thought, you know, should I make a fuss?
Should I send emails or make phone calls? And it's kind of like, you know, and and you to your other part of your question where you said, is there something about sponsorships that you're unaware of?
Yeah. Sometimes you're locked in in contracts and you could get yourself into legal liability issues if you pull out of a contract without cause
beforehand. Now, the question is, is there cause? I would venture to guess there is. But if you're locked into contractual terms, the easiest option is
probably just to continue on. And when somebody has a large audience, which Candace does, um there's no denying that she does, uh then you're probably going
to get a lot of, you know, referrals and and so anyways, we we want to bless babies more than we want some sort of, you know, feud to take, uh priority over
that. And and yeah, we didn't start the fight. She did, but at the same time, it's babies, and I want more babies. And
what I would say, I would also add, even if we're not looking to pick a fight of that nature, if you feel strongly about
it, I would encourage you to send them an email, you could say, "I have concerns. I might cease support or I
might support you more if you were to make a different decision of this nature." People do blessed if they if they made that decision.
And I know just you can't make it up. You cannot make up how
perfectly the 180 degree turn is from everything Charlie it's like they never listened to Charlie Kirk speak once on his own show that's why they had to
remove all the context they're like you know we're just going to go so 180 that it's better to pretend it's better just pretend that Charlie was never here but that's got to be the reason behind
pulling all this cont what are the free markets that is not the free market that is literally a leftist strategy okay
where you get a bunch of people a mob to call and to complain. People that actually are not partaking in that market. They don't care about it. They
don't care about this business at all, but they're going to call and they're going to stress them out and try to peer pressure them into pulling out.
Secondly, I want to say this. We do not put handcuffs on our sponsors. Okay? We do not put handcuffs on our sponsors. In fact, we were very intentional when we
restarted the show after everything I went through the Daily Wire to have personal conversations and to make it very clear that we don't want those
kinds of advertisers that are going to bulk when it comes to a fight. The free markets have already made it very clear to you, Turning Point USA, your Charlie
Kirk show, that they don't like you. And what you are doing right there is exactly why Charlie Kirk's audience never had to hear that kind of filth.
never had to hear something that was counter to the free markets. Never had to hear somebody say, you know, I was going to call and I was going to kick up a fuss and I was going to try to like
artificially get her kicked out of the markets uh and not let you know people decide what they want to watch and views based on those things. I was going to
call her evil and demonic, but they say babies. So that's that is the only reason I'm going to go with this is because they say babies because there's something bigger here and I'm a good
Christian, right? It's very that's the whole reason I'm gonna but like if it was anybody else by the way if you want to call and do that you should do that.
This again could not sit more opposite to what Charlie Cook believed in. He could believed that he could compete and be better than you than his show would
get more views than your show and advertisers want to come to him naturally. He didn't believe that he had to just be an evil human being behind
the scenes, list people's advertisers, start speaking about their advertisers, and pretend that you're not putting pressure or glazing people that are
listing all their advertisers at the same time. Well, that entire scene, pretending to be a good person while
you're doing everything that Charlie would hate. You are so ill representative of Charlie Kirk. Please give the name a new show. just call it
the Andrew and Blake saga. You know, Andrew and Blake complain about everything. Andrew and Blake maybe kind
of hate Charlie Kirk and everything he believed in, but they played a part for as long as they could. And now they're here to tell you what they think. And yeah, nothing lines up with the
principles of what began Turning Point USA. So that that would be my advice to them. And I think, by the way, then you could get more viewers because then people would go, "Oh, okay. Now we see
what this is. you're you're not you no longer are wearing this mask of pretending that you are are carrying on the torch for Charlie. I mean, just how
embarrassing. I I should have known they were behind it. Um it was just like what is going on over this weekend. And thank you Turning Point USA, Andrew Kovette,
Blake for, like I said, leading to the biggest day of merch sales on our website ever. Uh because our fans, I
will tell you right now, people who watch this show, our listeners, they will fight harder. Okay? You guys have power. You've got the military. You've
got CBS, Barry Weiss, the president's office, the White House, the military office, all behind you. And we're still winning because we have a better
product. It's truth. Good luck with your lies. And speaking of lies and um people who tell them sometimes accidentally
Chapter 5: Paramount tactical doesn't know how alibis work.
because they're just stupid, um Paramount Not So Tactical doesn't understand what an alibi is. Okay, so we
showed you the clip, the now famed clip of Erica and Andrew Kovette orchestrating this Fort Wuka non-alibi
behind the scenes and Paramount Tactical who is, you know, not a very quick reader, uh, did not realize that he was not supposed to read out the alibi or
show the picture and he accidentally did. Okay, so now that he's accidentally now rumbled the fact that the internet
was correct, that these didn't look like Erica's children. First, he said like, you know, it's not her son. Like I said, there have been people who say that it's
also not her daughter, but who am I to make that claim, but people with direct knowledge and who know the daughter say that it is not her. Anyway, Paramount Tactical now is is raging about that.
And he says, actually, it doesn't even matter if neither of them are her children. It's not relevant at all. What
do you know what an alibi is? If you're saying her alibi is she was with her children, it would kind of be relevant.
Gary Melton if these are in fact her children. Okay, so this is what he tweeted. I just I just this is peak clarity. He tweeted, "The fact is we
don't know. It hasn't been clarified by Erica, but it doesn't matter. The content of the picture was illre it was
irrelevant. It was proof that she wasn't at Fort Wuka on the night." No, Gary, let's just take apart that sentence. I I
I really hope you're not watching Baron Coleman show because that's a high IQ outfit and he would really be upset with this and he would bring out the logic
book and this would be a mess. Okay. So, if it is proof that she was not at Fort Wuka on the 9th and if the proof that
you presented was that she was with her kids then indeed Gary Melton the content
of the picture is relevant if especially if it's not her kids. That's how alibis work. He goes, "Why do you care whose
kids it whose kid it is? It's none of your business." Like, Gary, you introduced this to the public
as an alibi for Erica and proof that she wasn't at Fort Wuka and was in fact with her kids. Now you're saying it doesn't even matter if it's her kids. And it
doesn't it's the content of the picture is not relevant and somehow it's still proof. How could it be proof of Erica's not even in the picture? It was stupid off the bat because Erica's not in the
picture. So all it would be proof of is her kids.
Now you're saying it's not her kids, Gary. Now you're telling us it's not her kids. The content of the picture is not relevant. And somehow we should still
accept it as proof that she wasn't at Fort Wuka. I I am very terrified.
I'm terrified to understand that Paramount, not so tactical, served as a Green Beret. I'm I'm terrified that
China represents a threat not because of uh their data centers that are expanding, but because they might have
smarter people than Gary Melton. Like this he's this is a military operative.
Turning point is turning to him for public relations and he doesn't even understand the functionality of an alibi. He just he doesn't understand why
people are obviously concerned about the fact that his alibi has now been completely debunked. Now he just says it doesn't matter whose kid it is.
still counts. Erica is good. And then he then he rants about why he's never going to present an alibi ever again, right?
Because he he's this is why anyone who presents alibis or information is an idiot. It's also why no one should ever trust Candace Owens. It's never enough.
Never accept it. Or she twists what's provided into another conspiracy. No, I was not handed this alibi. actually um
you you were you submitted it and then it got debunked by you. It's all very confusing and now you're angry but not at you. You're angry at me.
This is with him. It really is an IQ thing. He is just very fun to watch, you know, just there's just no brain there
and they just have to use more intellectual people. Maybe AI.
Maybe you should just create an AI Paramount, not so tactical. I I I think the AI could do better than that. In uh
Kevin Liry's defense, that might be why they're doing it. They're they're realizing that's problematic. Anyway, um even Tracy Martin, Erica's dear, long
15-year friend, jumped into the fay at some point and clarified that the sun is not Erica's. So, it's all very
confusing. says it's called a playd date uh with friends. She's not saying that that's Gigi, but she's is also
confirming that it's not the son. So, the internet was right. It was first a conspiracy and now it's true. Just takes a couple of months for that to happen usually.
Chapter 6: Trump's golden Trump statue.
I do want to briefly discuss before we get off air today. Uh Trump's golden Trump statue, right? the
backlash to I just can't believe it's real. I just can't believe it's real. It is real. Are we sure it's real? That's
That's not AI. Okay, that is Trump's statue. The ceremony obviously evangelical pastor uh comes out. They
This has been unveiled, a 22 foot golden statue of President Donald Trump at one of Florida's golf courses. Um and the
pastor John Mark Burns, an evangelical minister, um is defending it because people are feeling a type of way about
it. Like I feel like if you watch this show and you're not spiritual and you maybe don't go to church and you've
never cracked open a Bible, I feel like even you when you look at this statue, you think, should I build an ark?
Should I go collect animals to bring into this ark?
You just start asking yourself spiritual questions like, maybe I should listen to the guy in the subway who's ranting about the end of times. Maybe I shouldn't have slammed the door on all
of those Jehovah Witnesses. You look at the statue and the gathering of people around it, and it just feels like we've gone too far.
Something's not right. Trump who thinks he is a god. I am MAGA now has a golden
statue of course backed not by Christians financially um but by I believe the acidic Jewish
community major donors to the statue and we're supposed to just think things are okay. Here's heret a beautiful piece of
art. The acetic Jews behind Florida's giant golden Trump statue. I just think
that maybe you should go to church, a Catholic church, of course, if I'm
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Chapter 7: Comments.
All right. Top comment from yesterday's episode from N Horvath writes, uh, it was the fakest of times. It was the gayest of times. Yes, that is the
chapter we are in. That book will begin with that exact line. Um, Ary writes, I stopped my infiltration of a gang to
watch this. I love when people do comments like this. Yeah. Um, did you submit letters from your elementary
school picture, Tori? Did you? Did you see whether or not you did that? If I know whether or not you're good with your kindergartener teacher. Anyway, you
guys, some comments from today's episode. First, um, from Zamit writes, "If restaurants were serving what the mainstream media is, the health
department would shut them down. JFK 2.0 coup." Absolutely true. um almost like down to a science except like I said one
strong difference would be uh the grieving widow seems to be with the state is what I would say seven sheets writes boom been waiting for you to
mention data centers enough is enough to quote Erica tech nerds are trying to uh conduct a heist of the USA you are amazing and thanks to all the citizen
journalists who have a conscience evil and dystopian prayers for the fight could not agree more um de Gene writes I didn't believe any of the fed slop
pertaining to what happened at the white house dinner. I quit watching the news.
True journalism is dead and gone. Love you, Candace. Christ is king. That is 1,000% true. But it's funny that we all said, "Oh, we're going to turn off the TV and we're going to listen to
independent voices." And they're bought, too. They are coordinating with surrogates. Who are those surrogates? We should know. Like I said, FOIA request this stuff. There's going to be more
there. Um, we're going to probably find out who exactly shot that clip of Erica walking out. Was it a PR agent? Uh, I
don't think it was Andrew Kovat. Could it have been the other PR agent Andrew Kovat was with Matthew Shupe? Matthew
Shupe who does PR for Harit Dylan. Um Dylan Law Group. He's close with them. I know Harit was sitting with sitting with
Andrew Kovette. I don't know. I'm just asking legitimate questions and I think that we need to find the answer to this because this this is deep and it's ugly.
Vanessa writes, "When discourse ends, violence begins." Charlie Kirk, literally the opposite. Words equal
violence. Yeah, we're there. We're now being told words equal violence. Yeah, Charlie believed the opposite. When social media pushed hard for me to
dismiss Candace as evil, that's when I decided to see for myself. I guess that scup backfired. Think for yourself.
Yeah. Now that's that that's why it's so important to talk about these signups and to like call them out is because you do start to see the pattern is when too many people are saying the same thing
all at once like a ballroom after a shooting, you go, who's instructing this? And now we know it's the military, right? The military is sending to comm's
teams. The con teams are then going out to surrogates and they are coordinating that messaging behind the scenes and amplifying certain things. And I'm sure based on the other points of the email
that they're they are our Navy uh they are going in there and they're impacting the algorithm. And that's what I keep saying about X. It's very obvious that
they can float trends and disappear trends at any moment that they want to.
And that's forcing a narrative. So, you really do have to steal your mind against it. Uh, Potanica writes, or Pat Tonica, maybe it is, "God bless you,
Candace Owens, and your family. Thank you. Thank you for the support." Uh, Janita writes, "Why is Erica crying more for the stunt than she ever did for
Charlie's traumatic death?" I I think she has a a hard time uh actually crying um and producing real tears. I go back
always to Elizabeth Lane and what she said about the attributes of a psychopath, and that's why she's having trouble. I mean, she might have fooled
Charlie, but she's not fooling the majority of the world. That's that much is obvious. And she she's got everything going for her. I mean, all of media has
50 minutesrisen to tell us she's a grieving wid widow. Independent commentators have are rising to tell us she's a grieving widow
and it's not working. So, maybe get a new actress.
Angelina Jolie is really good. I would have bought it 100%. Seen her movies.
Curious. Joel writes, "You know that feeling when a four-year-old stops you and asks you to stop to watch them do a cartwheel and they fail miserably?
That's how all of these scops are feeling? Like, oh, that's cute, so fake, so very gay." Like, yeah, except the in the example of the toddler, they're
cute. That's exactly right. Uh, but and with the military, you're just like, man, you got to get smarter people in there. And I think that's they're having
the paramount not so tactical problem or something. They're We deserve better SCOPS. I just feel like we deserve
better SCOPS. All the coordination, all the planning, all the operatives on the ground and they can't pull it off. Erica
just goes like she just they tell her to go left, she goes left, she go right, say this, say that, wear this, wear that, stand like this, stand like that.
She like I said, she's just a piece of technology. She's not even something to hate or resent. She's just like, you
know, it's like hating or resenting your iPhone. Just a piece of hardware. We not me writes, "I am beyond shook today. I
had the exact same dream that Erica what same dream Erica Lane described." Oh, Elizabeth Lane, pardon, described about
Charlie. It was on January 11th. I was not baptized that day and Charlie was a huge part of my faith journey. So, I believed that it was just the emotions
of the day. Um, she's talking about Elizabeth Lane. I did a sit down with her. She came here and I did her show.
You can pivot over. I think we we linked it onto this channel somehow as well so that you can watch that and she talked about the dream that she had and we've been talking about our dreams on this
show because it's very strange that um they don't want us to believe in our dreams while they're trying to uh walk us backward into their dystopian one.
I'm I'm just not signing up for this, man. I'm not going to sign up for what is so obviously in front of us. It's a shame that Trump proved to be the
ultimate Trojan horse that is um walking in this technocracy um allowing the military to do what they are doing. He I
guess has already made his bargain um and understands, you know, the consequences for his soul. That's what I
would say about Trump. It is a shame. Uh anyway, you guys, if you would like to support the show and not listen to Blake Nef and Andrew Kovette at all, which I
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September 10th: The OTHER Shooting That The Media Forgot. | Candace Ep 337
Candace Owens
Streamed live on May 12, 2026 Candace Owens

There was another shooting on 9/10 that many have questions about, a golden statue of Trump is installed at his golf course, we receive another tip about Turning Point using an AI company, and a few people mentioned that we may have kicked the hornet’s nest when we began speaking about Victor Marx.



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Chapter 1: Start.
All right, you guys. Happy Tuesday. I'm just going to ask the question that's on my mind, which is what goes on in Colorado.
I mean, someone had mentioned to me, actually, a few of you guys had suggested that we may have kicked the hornets's nest somehow when we began speaking about Victor Marx, right? His
alleged ties to Israel, the story we heard from Corby Hall, his inexplicable uh relationship to Erica. That's when
all of these random attacks kind of started up against me and my family as though they were leveling up to sort of distract us. Trump suddenly posting my
face on Time magazine calling me the most vile person of the year. Really?
Jeffrey Epstein didn't deserve that honor. They then send out the wacky Larry Loomer. Yeah, let's not lose focus. Actually, Colorado, where Victor
Marx is currently running for governor, it is a beautiful state. actually ranked, I believe, the healthiest state in the union. The state is also rich in
the wrong kind of American history. And there was, in fact, another shooting that took place on September 10th that we should briefly discuss.
Also, we finally received a name of the Hollywood Deep fake company that we can
confirm Turning Point USA uh was meeting with following Charlie's tragic passing.
We're going to show you what this company is capable of and I'm going to allow you to draw your own conclusions.
And lastly, uh the admission from Paramount Tactical Gary Melton that one of the children in Erica's Fort Wuka
alibi photo is not hers is not a subtle admission because it looks like the internet was right again. Welcome back to Candace.
Chapter 2: Victor Marx responds to me. I have questions.
I still have a lot of questions about Victor Marks. You know, I went off to Italy to do my confirmation, got distracted. I had mentioned to you that despite him doing all those public posts
about me, he didn't respond to uh my Instagram message. And then he did. I just checked actually today and he did
while I was in Italy. He finally answered and so I'm going to set a time for him to at least attempt to set a time for him to appear on the show and
answer some questions. Question number one I probably have is why was Victor Marx the first documented
public person to do a video announcing that Charlie had passed long before the president of the United States or anybody else. Who was it that told him
that Charlie was dead? Right. We may or may not get a solid answer to that, but it certainly registered to me as odd.
Also, when and how did he get so close to Erica, Dr. Kirk? So close, in fact, that he was in her immediate circle of
comfort after her husband was brutally murdered in front of the entire world.
3 minutesAs soon as she flew back home to Arizona, he was there to offer her a hug in her home, I might add, her personal
space. And I have since learned that at some point Charlie and Victor Marks had a real falling out. The reason why I I'm
not sure, but it was apparently bad enough, according to insiders at Turning Point USA, that Charlie and Victor actually stopped following one another
on social media for a period of time. So I I'll ask rhetorically when and why and
how did Erica remain or become so close to Victor Marks? Um because on the basis of the stories that we've heard about
him, some of them from Victor himself, he seems to me to be a bit dangerous, right? A tad unstable if if I may. I
don't really buy his pastoral act for one minute. And we checked and it appears that the last time Victor Marx
had done anything publicly with Charlie, appeared on Charlie's show, it was in October of 2023. H what happened in October of 2023?
Well, Victor Marks appeared on the Charlie Kirk show to provide Charlie with frontline reporting
from, you guessed it, Israel right after October 7th. Yes, naturally, of course.
Duh, Israel. Victor Marx went straight there despite its heightened security state. Um, due to his contacts in the
IDF, he was able to get there. Don't believe me? Take a listen to Victor.
Victor, you are live in Israel. give us a frontline report.
I can tell you right now it's worse than anyone can imagine. Um, today I was at
the festival field and they're not allowed on anybody yet, but the relationships that we have with special
forces commanders here with the IDF um are extensive and they are taking us to places so that we can tell the world and America especially what has happened.
And you know, I haven't exactly hunted down this rumor, but I did re receive a few tips into our inbox that that is the
reason that people who attended church were given as to why some of these pastors knew Charlie was dead before somebody else because of their contacts
in the IDF. Again, I need to chase down those leads. But yeah, they have a pretty good intel. Uh certainly they
would imagine Israeli intelligence may have known first somehow. Wonder why they were interested. Who knows? Anyway, is it fair, at least after listening to
that, to suggest that Corby Hall might have been telling the truth about Victor Marks potentially doing some work trying to secure weaponry on behalf of Israel on behalf of the IDF? Allegedly, maybe.
I think it's a fair assumption.
Anyway, now we know Victor is running for governor of Colorado, inspired by, according to him, Charlie's untimely death. Something overtook him. He had to
do something, and that something was to run for the governor of Colorado. Okay.
Chapter 3: The other shooting on 9/10.
And Colorado is interesting for a lot of reasons. On background, uh for those of you that do not live here, uh we
Americans recognize it as sadly the birthplace of school shootings. No one could forget Coline. Uh I was very young and it still feels so raw, so shocking.
I remember crowding around the big bulky screen TV waiting for information to come through the mainstream media. Uh
beyond that, not too far away, obviously in Aurora, Colorado, there was one of the more infamous uh shootings, mass
shootings, Batman, Batman themed shooting when The Dark Knight came out.
It took place in a theater. And we shouldn't forget here Erica Kirk's friend was there at the shooting in the
movie theater. Erica seems to have bad luck that way when it comes to shootings. Now, we can make an educated guess as to who that friend was, but we
still don't know for certain uh that person's identity or how they were involved. Were they did they get hurt? I
don't know. Now, regarding Colorado, uh we also know that Charlie was supposed to be in Colorado the next day, right on
September 11th, immediately following UVU. next event which was for some reason barely publicized was to take
place at Caris Bible College September 11th. We we broke the story actually uh we also broke a story that a security
plan was not put in place for that event which is remarkable and Brian Harpole has all but confirmed our reporting in
his court filing against me. Look at what he wrote regarding Car's Bible.
said, "According to Owens's supposed tipster, there was quote no security plan in place at Caris Bible College, claiming that it was odd that Harpole's
team planned Kirk's security strategy for Utah Valley University two weeks in advance, but failed to contact the chief of police for Woodling, Colorado to plan
security for Caris Bible College." Owen specifically asked, quote, "Why didn't Dan Flood and Brian Harpole and Turning Point USA's security have any
coordination with police departments up in Colorado if this is what they normally do?" question mark. Then they put in quotations here, I mean in
parenthesis, Harpole did not coordinate with Caris Bible College nor the Woodland Police Department because he was not advised that Charlie would be
visiting the school. It was not uncommon for Charlie to visit universities with only Dan Flood. Really?
I think they just keep forgetting that.
Like I went on tour with Charlie for three years. That that's uncommon. I don't know if it's happened. I'm sure maybe we're going to find out in court if it's happened, but it certainly would
be described as uncommon where there just be one person in security at a college event and he had no idea. Didn't
even had no You've been with Charlie for years. You had no idea that that was his next stop. That still strikes me as odd.
Doesn't matter if you put it in a filing. Doesn't make it uh suddenly, oh, I I' I've now have clarity on the issue.
9 minutesHe says it's fine. I'm going to show you guys, by the way, this blurb in the local media in Colorado, seven days after Charlie died on September 17th,
clarifying and confirming that he was in fact due to speak there the next day.
Here it is. Um, it says in the corner, "The college had planned to host Kirk after one day after Wednesday's first stop of his American comeback tour at
the Utah Valley University where he was shot and killed while answering a question from an audience member." Yeah.
Woodland Park honors his legacy.
Uh, now I should mention, by the way, in case you're wondering regarding Caris Bible College, uh, the founder of it is this guy, Andrew WAC. And you're
thinking, is he former military? Of course. Don't be silly. Grow up. There's military ties everywhere. Okay.
Now, after Caris Bible, uh, Charlie was due to meet up, as we learned, uh, with Erica at Colorado State University,
which is situated at Fort Collins. Um, Erica confirmed that in her sit down with Jesse Waters, but he never made it obviously to either one of those events.
Something else about Colorado that's interesting is that one of the planes that Turning Point USA uses, and I want to be clear here, uh, more specifically
the plane that Charlie himself used for basically all of 2023, right after Mikey
McCoy becomes the chief of staff, this plane, um, tail number 9582M,
Charlie begins using this plane all through 2025. It was really kind of only towards the end that he switched to the other plane that he used that day. But
his his plane was initially this one that he was using uh to go to every event all across the country. But on the day of Charlie's assassination, we know
Charlie did not take that plane to Provo, but someone did. Someone known to Turning Point USA most certainly did take that plane N582MM.
Uh and they got there to Provo eventually after the shooting. I'm actually going to tell you its flights that day in general. Again, this used to be Charlie's main plane, N582MM.
It is still tied to Paradise Jets, which the other plane is tied to as well, the one that he did take that day. Um, you can see that before Charlie
was shot, the plane departs Denver, Colorado. Um, that's at 11:58 a.m.
Mountain time. And then it heads to a military base in Pierre, South Dakota.
South Dakota is one of my Egyptian plane stops. Uh it lands at 12:56 p.m.
Mountain time. So it departs before Charlie gets shot from Denver, Colorado, and then it lands into Pierre,
South Dakota, about uh after Charlie was shot. Okay. Then whoever it is that's a board of his plane who was a
person known to turning point USA uh stayed in South Dakota for about before heading onward to Chicago, Illinois for what looks like a
pickup and then they went straight to Provo, Utah, landing at 6:57 p.m. And then that plane stays overnight. I want
to again stress this plane is known to Turning Point USA. Somebody aboard that plane knows Charlie. After it stayed overnight in Provo on September 10th, it then went back to Pierre, South Dakota.
Again, nothing there really. We're in the Dakotas other than the military base. Uh anyway, uh Colorado, as I've
just seen, it just routinely comes up in the story. I'm just interested in what goes on in Colorado. And it would
definitively be interesting to know who affiliated with Turning Point USA was aboard that plane from Denver that took off before Charlie got shot headed for a military base.
Switching gears here, same topic really.
You may have remembered that on September 10th at almost the exact same time down to the minute that Charlie was
shot, there was another shooting in Colorado at a high school, Evergreen High School, and it sort of disappeared from the national media cycle. Of
course, local media stayed on this somewhat, but not to the satisfaction of the parents that went to the school. I know I received a flurry of emails, uh,
did not really look into it. parents that were not satisfied, who were requesting information, they were not getting information and uh you know, I
didn't really have time to look into it, but I do think that it's worth discussing so that you kind of know what happened. The official story is that a
16-year-old student who attended Evergreen High School named Desmond Holly showed up to school with the Smith
and Wesson 38 special revolver at , before Charlie. Uh he he shot
a 14-year-old student at close range while still inside of the school. Then Desmond leaves the school building. He
crosses the foot football field and comes across a second student. That student's name is Matthew Silverstone and he uh shoots him at close range.
14 minutesShoots him once in the head, I believe, also in the chest. And he does this at the intersection of South Olive Road and Buffalo Park Road.
uh a roofer, a guy who's literally working on roofs in construction, a man named Delmare Martinez filmed this
initial confrontation. And in Martinez's footage, which I'm I'm going to show you the interview with Martinez, Holly, Desmond Holly is holding Matt
Silverstone by the neck, shoots him, then proceeds up the driveway. And then the video, Delmare's video captures
deputies shouting commands like, "Drop the gun." and one deputy is is staying behind to provide aid to Matthew Silverstone while remaining law
enforcement officers are following the shooter up the driveway. Now, when the officers and uh Desmond Holly had both
moved out of frame, out of the view of the roofer's camera, a final shot rings out, not captured by the camera. It was
Desmond shooting himself. The sheriff's office has since confirmed that only the deputies were the witnesses to Holly shooting himself after they gave their
commands. Okay, so here are just a couple of things and uh they have very recently uh I mean within the last few
days done a a massive document dump finally which people will have to go through and confirm. But I can just tell you some things off the bat that locals
and parents at the school found immediately odd about the shooting and the fact that they're just now getting any sorts of answers and more documents.
It's a long time to wait. If that was your kids that were attending the school, you could understand why these parents were frustrated and were emailing me asking to take a look into
it. One of the greater mysteries of the story is is the first 911 call. And this is I'm quoting this from an email that I
received. One detail she said she writes that has never been publicly clarified is who actually made the first 911 call
and from where that call was placed. The call came in at 12:22 a full minute after the first shot was
fired. The description given to the dispatcher was unnervingly calm and measured. They said, quote, "Something
bad is going on a half mile south of Evergreen Lake." This is a geographic reference rather than a direct report of gunshots from
someone inside the building. The caller's identity, the type of device used, and the precise location the call originated from have never been publicly disclosed.
That registers to me as wacky. I'm going to agree with this person that that's just what do you mean? Like that's a very strange call. Why are you not disclosing who that came in from? Very easy.
Number two, another weird thing uh the general response in general. this uh sorry the the response in general this woman writes quote during the response
to the Evergreen shooting officers from mutual aid jurisdictions just coming in from other jurisdictions who arrived on
scene went doortodoor knocking and verbally identifying themselves as police and SWAT and asking teachers and
students to open up. That is the opposite of what the established lockdown protocol requires. The correct procedure, the one that has been the
standard since Coline, is that students and teachers stay behind locked doors no matter what. You do not open for anyone.
And law enforcement uses school provided keys to enter. You do not open the door, period. Not for anybody knocking, not even for someone saying that they're a
cop. The Jefferson County Sheriff's Office actually acknowledged this in their October 10th update and said that Jefferson County's deputies followed the
protocol correctly and it was the outside or mutual aid officers from neighboring agencies who started going door to door asking people to open up
and uh the sheriff's office specifically credited the teachers and the students for doing the right thing by ignoring those requests and staying locked. uh
the sheriff's public explanation essentially placing the blame on inter agency coordination without naming which
agency specifically sent the door knocking officers or which agents specifically um or or whether any
accountability followed is odd. It's notable that Evergreen High School is located in the same county where the
Coline High School massacre occurred. So the Coline lessons were very well learned in Jefferson County. The entire foundation of modern school lockdown
protocol nationwide was structured upon the post Coline era of school safety training. The blueprint for standard
protocol that started 26 years ago with Coline was created and built largely around this particular county's experience. Why aren't we revealing who
went door to door, knocked and said, "I'm a police officer. Open up." I don't know.
Another odd detail regarding that roofer who captured the footage of the scuffle which eventually led to the suicide of the shooter, but he missed the suicide
of the shooter. And he also says he didn't see the suicide of the shooter.
Like I said, Delmare Martinez, his story is that he was working a local job roofing building and uh was either coming from or going to his lunch break.
But his story about how he captured the footage, of footage, which like I said at no point uh shows Desmond
Holly's suicide uh just the police officers and the scuffle and rendering aid to Matthew Stone is odd. Take a
listen to the story that he tells on the news.
In that moment, I didn't know how to react. It's a feeling families, students, and the Evergreen community share as they grapple with emotions and
questions in the days since the shooting at Evergreen High School.
I got out of the car and started to film.
For Delme Martinez, it's grappling with what he witnessed and caught on camera as the tragedy unfolded.
I realized later that this was a bigger issue.
Martinez tells CBS Colorado he and another coworker were working a roofing job in Evergreen. They were driving along Buffalo Park Road near Olive Road
when a police officer sped past them and got out of their car.
It was there where we saw a young person fighting. He came out holding another student by the neck and the police was saying something for him to stop. And so
the student shot at the other teen and threw him. He threw him to the ground.
Martinez started recording while they were stopped on the side of the road.
Police didn't know how to react, whether to attend to the teen on the ground or follow the other one. Videos shared by Martinez show what happened after he
says the teen suspect shot the other student. Other officers quickly arrived on scene and one of them followed the suspect up a dirt driveway.
He went off. He went off walking about 10 m.
Officers appeared to tell the suspect to put his weapon down. That's when Martinez says he heard a gunshot. Everything lasted about .
We've blurred out the right side of the video where another officer was performing first aid.
We wanted to leave, but there wasn't anywhere we could go.
Martinez says they didn't have cell reception at that location and didn't know what was happening to the students.
We didn't realize until 5:30 that we were filming something that was a lot more serious.
In hindsight, he wishes he could have done more to help in that moment.
I was scared. It didn't cross my mind to help, but gives credit to the police for doing everything they could in that moment to try to get to the scene and deescalate the situation.
So, right off the bat, uh maybe that all we'll check out, but right off the bat when I heard this story, I'm like, wait, a police officer sped past you and pulled over and you just pulled over, too?
I've heard of rubbernecking, but I I I genuinely have never heard of a police officer speeds past you, pulls over, and you go, I'm just going to pull over, too, and just start filming. Okay,
interesting. But this is the next part is actually even more odd. Uh because you see, he mentions the fact that he's a roofer and that he was working a job
in Evergreen. It's a very tight-knit community. Well, locals who were very interested in this began searching and
they could not determine what house he and his co-workers were working on or what contractor they were working for.
So, I don't know if you you know this, but it is required by law. You can't just go roofing and building a house.
And this is the case also in Evergreen without legally filing for a permit to do work with the city and or the town.
Everywhere I've ever lived, that's that is uh the circumstance. And certainly they confirmed it is the law here. So, they should be able to do a quick permit
search in Evergreen and say, "Oh, they were working on Joe's house down the street and went on their lunch break." Can't find anything. Researched every
house to see uh what in Evergreen, which house he was working on. Can't determine it. And journalists seem uninterested in
determining that answer as well. Seems like a lead that should be chased. I certainly, if I was living in Evergreen, would want to know, no, but what house were you actually working on? Uh lastly,
a point that's odd about this story and there are many points that are odd. So I'm just kind of going through them quickly with here quickly with you here.
The school resource officer person that's supposed to be there. Um obviously you know Corby Hall that was the interest with Victor Marks. He
wanted to put a full AR into the hands of every school resource officer. Well, Evergreen High School uh did have a
23 minutesfull-time school resource officer position, but the deputy that was assigned to that role happened to be on medical leave at the time of the shooting. So, a different deputy uh
whose primary assignment was actually another high school that was 9 miles away, Conifer High School, was filling
in part-time. So, he was working as the uh school officer for both Conifer High
School and Evergreen. He was the only one that was on duty the day of the shooting. And initially, the reporting came out and said that the SRO deputy left Evergreen campus around 10:30 a.m.
because he was responding to a nearby traffic crash. And so he was off campus when the shooting started at .
Now, this reporting turned out to be inaccurate. They had to make adjustments. They had to correct the sequence. And they said, "No, actually what happened was the uh the sheriff
office revised this. The deput deputy had actually started his morning at Conifer. Then he made the drive to Evergreen. He stayed at Evergreen for
24 minutesabout an hour. Then he drove back to Conifer. Then he was dispatched uh from Conifer High School uh to a car crash.
And while in route to that car crash, that's when the call came in about the Evergreen shooting. And he turned around and started heading toward Evergreen.
Now, that's another lead that hasn't been followed up on because nobody can find this alleged crash that he got dispatched to. Location of the crash he
was originally dispatched to was never publicly released. Anything confirming that information has not been found by people who are around the clock working
to confirm these details. Um it there's been no coverage about a crash that took place. Maybe you could say when they were overwhelmed with the shooting
perhaps. No crash report number, no location, no other parties involved. it was reported but never independently corroborated. So there are a lot of
reasons why people are not um feeling confident in what happened at another shooting in Colorado. And the fact that
it took place so close to the Charlie Kirk shooting is of interest. Again, it could have nothing to do with Charlie Kirk shooting. It could just be an unhappy uh consequence. But we had
received enough emails about it. People, especially when we started bringing up Victor Marks and Colorado in general that I thought, let me just kind of
introduce that to a a a more national audience who may not have been paying attention to it. Uh like I said, there has recently been a huge document dump.
Let's hope it provides more clarity. Um and we will eventually see whether or not that's true. We're going to take a brief break here before I tell you a bit
about this AI company, Hollywood AI company, and we take a look at Paramount Tacticals, Gary Melton's latest slip.
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Chapter 4: Paramount Tactical lets a detail slip about the Erika "kids" photo.
Just want to shout out this person in the chat. Miami2388 writes, "I feel so validated about the fake picture America's kids. I have been screaming
since it was released." So let me back up and tell you, and you should feel validated, Miami what she's referring to. I touched upon it briefly yesterday,
but during the Fort Wuka madness, right, when I really was just focused on the Brian Harpole maybe being at this
meeting on the 9th, less focused on why Erica may have been at a hotel. She wasn't seen with Brian Harpole if
Mitch's memory is to be believed. Um, what kind of exploded the Fort Wuka story was this unnecessary coordination
that was discovered between Andrew Kovette, who was supposed to have been, you know, moved away from PR because he
was failing miserably at it. They brought in crisis PR, at least that's what Erica told me. uh and Erica coordinating with Andrew Kovette to get
an alibi for Fort Wuka to this obscure YouTuber Paramount Tactical Gary Melton says he's you know
former Green Beret. He's very thick and I'm I'm talking like not a lot of thoughts happening. Um he thinks he's
putting puzzles together, but I I just don't think that that's his thing. And uh so it was very weird they were coordinating with this guy in general when they were everything was good
between us at that time. They could have just emailed me and said, "Hey, I saw you saw this guy Mitch. He thought Erica was here. Here's her alibi. Here's where she was actually on the ETH and the
ninth." And um so when this moment was discovered and we can uh get ready to pull in this clip, it was it was quite
shocking to see that they were coordinating that we have Erica and Andrew Kovac coordinating with Parmont Tactual and they wanted to keep that on
the DL. Of course, because Gary's brain is not firing very quickly, he accidentally read the alibi live on air
and it was one of these moments. take a listen to Gary on his thoughtprovoking show.
I asked him, "Hey, do you have proof of this?" He says, "But it's worth saying Erica wasn't in some fort in Tucson. The internet's gone insane. She woke up next
to Charlie on the night. Went to the office with Charlie all day. Woke him up from a nap before a fox hit. Went to
dinner with Charlie. Literally, people are lunatics. And then the next one, I will show you guys that one right here.
We have this one and then I'll show you an up close picture with the metadata that we have on the screen itself. Um, proof she was with her kids at 8:33 a.m.
Pacific time, which again in September, Arizona's on Pacific time.
Uh, Pacific time. Pacific time. uh taking them for a walk. Apparently, I wasn't supposed to share that, but anyways, point being is that's 8:33 a.m.
It shows the date on that. Sorry, Andrew. I screwed that up, man. I was trying to run a podcast and do everything else. Um, but again, it's
proof of what's going on here. And I'm going to share the final screen, the final picture that shows the
metadata for this, that she was indeed with the kids.
Uh, I keep hitting the wrong button. You guys can see that says right at the top, September 9th, 8:33 a.m. Case Case closed. Case closed.
He's doing his best. He's doing his best. He's uh it was on uh specific time, Pacific time, spec specific time.
Arizona was on specific time. It was a very specific time in the Pacific. But so we get we get to this moment and you're going, "Wait a second." Uh a lot of things happening here that are weird.
But you could see Andrew is very clear this is her alibi for the 9th. He also says, which was very strange and I ended up texting both him and Justin Strife
after this, that Erica was at the office all day with Charlie. Um she wasn't on the ninth. She has never made that claim publicly. Actually, the exact opposite
thing is what she tells Jesse Waters that Charlie was in the office all day.
So, she was not with him on the 9th. We were not The 9th was not ever in question. Erica Kirk, I wasn't really even really questioning, but she may have had some business at Fort Wuka.
Like I said, her parents are in the military. She may have just gone to a hotel for a reason. Who knows? Uh, but this moment made us go, hm, this is
weird. And instantly, instantly, people like Miami in the chat here began making videos saying those aren't her kids. The
the son is supposed to be 16 months. The daughter, these are not Erica Kirk's kids, by the way, because critical
thinking does does not seem to be something that Gary Mountain's able to do. This this is no indication even if these were her kids and she was covering
their faces. This would be no indication that Erica Kirk was with them. It's a photo of the kids by themselves. Okay.
So, this could be taken by a daddy, right? Daddy could have taken them somewhere and they're sending you the photo of Yeah. Can you say any photo of
the kids? Did you take that to here we go? This is not proof of anything. But the thing I want you to focus on is they said kids. Andrew said here is proof she
is with her kids. Um and they did try to pass off the idea that this was Erica's kids. And I looked at the photo. I'm an
expert at toddler hands, toddler everything. I've got extra tall kid.
Like this this was very clearly at the very least not her son. But I abstained.
I completely abstained from that until um I received information from people who would know uh who know the kids very
well and said, "Not only is that not her son, it's not her daughter." And I said, "That's really you're saying this is just somebody else's kids full stop."
And I'm not I I can't I was not willing to allege that. I also just feel a sense of ick when the kids are being used and alibi. I don't want to spotlight
children, have people looking for ch it just all of that was like I'm just going to abstain from it. I know deep down at the very least that isn't her son and
I'm hearing from someone that it isn't her daughter either. Uh but I'm going to abstain from it until Gary Melton did
what Gary does the best. He's he's the greatest PR firm. He really is. He's the greatest PR firm. Not for Turning Point USA, uh but for the people. He doesn't
mean to be. He's confirmed so many things by accident. He confirmed that Mitch was at Fort Wuka when he brought on Mick's son, Mitch's son, because you
know they were going to crush me with his past and oh, he's a terrible father.
So don't listen. It doesn't even matter if Brian Harple was there or Erica was there cuz look at what a terrible guy Mitch is. And then Mitch's son confirmed
that he got a phone call on that day because the police were called and I guess he's kin and they reached out to
him and asked him questions about his dad. So Gary also accidentally confirmed that Mitch was at Fort Wajuka, which is another hilarious moment brought to you
uh by Paramount not so tactical, it turns out. So anyway, uh Gary Valid tweeted this a couple of days ago
because people have been pushing and insisting these are these are not her kids. These are not her kids. And someone wrote, "Is her son this big yet or am I still stuck in the future with
Charlie's apparent 5-year-old?" I actually never read the tweet that he was responding to. That's very funny. Uh again, the internet being asked not to
believe our own eyes. And Paramount Gary finally responds and says, "It's not her son. It's her daughter with another
child." Look, mystery solved. Okay, don't gaslight us. You were the people who introduced this. Um even if it were
her actual children, it would not have been a sufficient answer. Uh it would not have satisfied interest as to whether she was with her kids. Anybody
can take a photo of your children and send it to you. Uh, secondly, you presented this as concrete pro proof, case closed, that Erica was with her
children. Andrew says, here she is with the kids. Now, suddenly the internet has not let go of the fact that they don't think these are Erica's kids. And you're
now finally copying and saying, "Okay, well, maybe went too big on the on the kid. Too big on the son. It's not it's
not her son. We admit." So, it's not proof of the kids. Full stop. And it's not proof that Erica is with her kids again. Why? Why are we doing this? Why
are they being so weird? Why are they uh constantly adjusting, telling lies, gas, gaslighting, being consistent, working
behind the scenes to get out something that I was happy to just go ahead and debunk? Cuz like I said, I was like, you know, 40, 60, maybe you saw her, maybe you didn't. Even if you did see her,
doesn't mean Erica was doing anything weird like that. She lives in Arizona.
She has a family that's involved militarily. That's not weird. It would not be weird unless you make it weird.
Unless you start telling lies. That is what makes people not trust the Turning Point USA apparatus. It's always this, a slight pivot. You told us this, now
we're going to pivot and give you a different story and then basically say to you, how dare you recognize that the first story that we told you was not
accurate in its entirety. Just true to Turning Point. This is just their their formula that is failing upon the public, I might add. Switching gears, yesterday
Chapter 5: TPUSA & the Hollywood AI Company.
we were telling you about Turning Point USA. In particular, this Marcus Wada, alleged former arms dealer, uh that he's
already actually incorporating AI voices into their presentations. We're going out to donors. They're using a voice over uh to narrate presentations. Well,
today we can confirm to you that for a reason that is not yet known after Charlie's death and maybe even before
Charlie's death, but definitively after, Marcus uh was meeting with and communicating with Hollywood AI uh deep
fake companies. Okay, they specialize in creating deep fakes. Now, maybe if this
was a conservative company uh that specialized in making videos, you might go, "Okay, you know, uh back when Daily
Wire was saying they were going to explode into Hollywood." That might make sense. But why Turning Point USA? I'm going to give you the name of the company. It's VFX
LA. Okay. VFX Los Angeles. These guys uh were brought into Turning Point USA.
Like I said, we can confirm they met with Marcus Wada. can't confirm that they created any content for him. Uh, but I would like to show you on their
website what they say they specialize in. Let's just click around. Right, here we go. Uh, it tells us here they do voice cloning. Yet another example of
our AI capabilities is the recreation of a specific voice. Voice cloning using a bespoke AI model for that exact voice.
There is no accent or colloquialism that we cannot generate. Case in point, this project for Fanatics Collectible where we had to reproduce the unique timber
and intonation of the deceased baseball commentator Skip Caret um or Skip
Carrey. Sorry, I'm not a a baseball fan, guys. I don't know how to say his last name. Then it tells us to listen to his original voice, then to listen to this recording from the hired actor that was
then read a new script, and then finally listen to our voice cloning of Skip Car's AI voice. despite him passing away nearly 20 years ago.
Oh, that's interesting because I have donors telling me that they are convinced that it is AI. They were they were there and Charlie never said this
super formal statement. I appoint Erica Kirk if anything were to happen to me.
Many people emailed us, by the way, that work in AI and have worked in AI in years. They were like, Candace, I am telling you 100% that is AI. I don't claim to be an expert. I just claim to
follow interesting leads like this. This is not all they do, by the way. They also can make videos. They can take a
video of somebody maybe somebody as an example giving a presentation in Aspen just as an example. And uh if they
needed to add a sentence or do these would be the guys to do it. Let's actually click around and and take a look at their deep fakes here. um where
if you want to pull back up that website, Sky, where they explain how you're going to see this original UK
woman uh say something in a commercial and then they are going to You guys having some internet issues? No worries.
Let me know when it's back up. Okay, cool. They pulled the video already. So, and then they're going to take this original UK commercial and then they're
going to make her say it in German. Make the man that's also in the commercial say it in German. They're going to make them say it in French. and how they did
this for their clients and their clients were like, "Still looks a little uncanny. Something's off." And then they were able to further get the mouth to
behave correctly and say stuff that they actually never said or at least didn't say in that language. Um, let's take a look at that video.
We will now show you the array of AI tools and patented VFX methods we use to create a lifelike lip sync of an aerial
commercial from the original British English into French and then German.
So you've put on a freshly washed shirt only to find smells have come back. That's a boomerang smell.
It's when smelly particles haven't been washed out properly and are reactivated by heat. Yep. Boomerang smell.
We started by mapping out the likeness of the original UK actors, which would later be used to output their photorealistic deep fake features. We
then cast two French actors with likeness matching their UK counterparts and recorded a plethora of what we call training footage to train our AI models
41 minutesfor each. Then the voice cloning requires ample amounts of editing, sorting, and cleaning up before we can train our AI voice models to match the original actor's voices.
With all that prep work and computing for my AI models, our lipsyncs output are flawless right as they come out and ready for broadcast. Finally, we were
asked to tweak the final smile of the actress as the client was not fully satisfied with the original performance.
So, we used our patented shape control method to create a multitude of incremental changes in the intensity of the smile, adjusting the opening of the
eyes, the pull of the ziggumatics, and the moisture of the lips until the clients settle on their preferred performance, whether in French, German, or any other
language. This is how we create lips.
I'll ask the question, I'll be the bad guy.
What's Turning Point doing meeting with this company at all? I I gosh, I don't know if it was too long ago. Maybe I'm
getting old, but Turning Point USA used to be an organization that hit the ground at college campuses to spread
conservative principles like free markets, capitalism.
What use do they have with Hollywood voice cloning in particular?
Um, just seems a little strange to me. And and and wouldn't you have less of a use for that after Charlie died? Almost less
of a use. Maybe you were like, we can put Charlie in a bunch of different places and like wouldn't you have less of a use for that after Charlie died?
Like wouldn't you maybe just like kick that can down the road if you were going to have a meeting like that? No. Well, I'd like to know. Did they work with them? Did they do anything with this
company? Was it just a meeting? I mean, Andrew Kova did say they met with people that said they could do all these deep fakes of Charlie and they declined. Did they decline them all? Did they give them an example of one they could do?
And Erica says she watched the video of Charlie um saying that he chose her and the donor say that didn't happen.
Is it plausible that they showed her a deep fake? Did you know it was deep fake?
Why why would the donors again? What is the upside of wealthy donors who went to Aspen to support Charlie saying that this definitively did not happen and
that that moment is AI? Also, why wouldn't Turning Point use that moment on video to announce Erica Kirk? You
know, I just none of that makes any sense to me. And um yeah, I will leave it at that. We'll be right back after
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Chapter 6: Comments.
wife instead of I would appoint my wife if something happened to me?" Present tense instead of future tense. Good question. Team G family 4 writes, "I
appoint my wife reads like a Tyler Robinson text." It certainly does.
Overly formal and Charlie was not this overly formal person. Uh that's kind of what made him so engaging on stage that
he was able to be conversational. It does strike as remarkably formal as if he was doing it, you know, like it was a coronation. I appointed my wife. Uh
also, uh a comment from Dick Shirley yesterday. He was bothered, really bothered that I wasn't born yesterday.
I'm sorry. He wrote, "Here you go, Candace. Here is a full FLLA video that you cannot comprehend is real. Lol. More dangerous than any of your family
reunions, I would hope. Didn't know you were built so Fabellaike and dangerous, but respect." Like, okay, Nick, I don't
know what to tell you. It isn't journalism to people. It's just how they grow up. And thank you for all the Brazilians in the comments yesterday.
You were hilarious. You guys should scroll through yesterday's comments of being like, "This is the biggest joke I've ever heard." Like I said, you just live enough and you just It's so beyond
ridiculous. It's not even worth debating. If I know there's a sucker born every minute, but you just have to be deep in the throws of suburbia to
think that somebody can infiltrate a gang in the Fabella after . Like just with a camera and a mic, you will be robbed so quickly.
Viewers, do not try that at home. Okay, today's comments. Just saw a big one come in on uh YouTube. Hello, Candace.
Thank you so much for everything that you have done for the world and blowing the lid off of all of this ridiculousness. Quick question. Whatever happened to all the Mitt Romney stuff we took a break for from? Much love from
Texas. I I'm uh still looking into it there. I I do think that is a piece of this Utah. I forgot Mitt Romney kind of runs things and you know this
investigation is ongoing in so many different ways. Uh you know, we return to certain things when they fit into another piece, but the Mitt Romney thing is incredibly compelling, especially his
relationship, long relationship with BBE and Yahoo. So, thank you for reminding me uh to return to that at some point.
Comments from today's episode. Monica W writes, "I rushed to see Oprah at 4 daily, and my teenage self was often disappointed because I didn't care about
the topics. Now, I rush to find your show time every day, and I'm never disappointed. Either I'm officially adulting or you spill the best truth tea." Thank you so much, Monica. That's
very, very sweet uh to even consider myself in that realm. I guess Oprah was is so different the daytime talk television. and she used to really go
there by the way with her old shows and she was covering some very interesting and compelling stuff. So, I appreciate
that compliment. Uh, RKO is life writes, "Hello, Candace. Thank you so much for everything that you have done for the world." Oh, that's one I just read.
Thank you guys for pulling that from YouTube. Saw that come in. Uh, Za Mitt writes, "Charlie Kirk did not die in vain." No, he did not. I totally agree
with you. Brooke writes, "Your independence is your superpower. It's rare to see someone fight for the truth regarding Charlie with such loyalty.
Calling out these cult leaders is exactly what we need right now. Christ is king and there are so many of them.
Um and unfortunately many of them uh occupy the space of churches and they megaurches and they are telling you that
they're doing this uh for God and it's I think people are recognizing it's not um they are actually hacking into faith and
trying to move people toward a political stance and really a devastating political sp uh stance. This user writes, "Donor advised funds water stone
lawsuit come with instructions for the charity on what to allocate the funds to with keeping donor names secret." So, I think it's what Charlie was trying to
audit known for foreign monies being moved in donor advised funds. I believe I I just agree slightly. I believe he
was looking uh taking a close look at Turning Point action. Uh based on everything that I have looked at, based on the people that I've spoken to um
within the organization, the rumor is that Turning Point Action was missing $10 million. And Turning Point Action actually built a back door. It has
connections to Erica's mother. That is just a fact. Um the I'm blanking on the name of the company that uh she is on
the board of with Tyler Boyer. uh they act super feed the super feed actually powers the turning point USA website. So
the app pardon me. So if you look into the app and you and you start to read the stuff you click past when you're downloading an app it tells you super feed. I I think that they probably built
a lot of mechanisms and again I'm speculating here but with a lot of pieces of people who were at Turning Point USA who are no longer at Turning Point USA saying that that was where the
money was missing from and if it was Turning Point action then there would be a direct tie to Lorie Fronfay would have
created a serious kurluffle in his relationship with his wife if he found out something about Lorie Fronfay who um
yeah I have a lot of question marks about her in general but I've expressed that throughout our Erica Kirk series, Bride of Charlie.
Alli writes, or Ali, pardon him, writes, "Eri Erikica went on Glenn Beck and said Charlie wasn't texting people that he was going to be killed the day before." When she privately admitted to you that
51 minutesthis was false, why didn't she correct the record publicly? Isn't that weird?
Yes, you are correct. That is weird. She said it was such attitude, right? She's like, "I have his phone." Uh, he never said that. And then she got clocked on
it because I then the next day said, "That's weird." cuz Andrew was one of the people he texted and he told me and then she was like, "Well, then it's
because, you know, stuff was set to delete Dan Flood." Okay, this is your husband. He didn't tell you that he thought he was going to die the night
before, but he had any sort of anxiety about that. He's up the night before.
You said he was just excited. It's a weird thing to experience those two emotions at once. You're so excited about something that you've done that's
actually become quite mundane. I never remember Charlie. All of our tech mushes the night before, you know, hotel rooms
with paper thin walls where I could like hear the shower. Never did I ever hear Charlie just be so excited about doing a college campus event because we used to so many of them that he couldn't sleep.
This night was different. He was so excited he couldn't sleep, but also thought he was going to be killed. It's a lot of emotion going through one guy.
I believe one of those. I believe that Charlie was fearful the night before um and not excited about doing a college
campus event at a college that he had already done a college campus event at. This was not new. It was not unique.
That's not to you know say anything to UVU crowd but this is this isn't this was his job and he was years and years and years and years into that job.
So I I don't believe that's the reason he was up. I don't when I put the blues clues together, that doesn't feel right.
And then she didn't mention that to her at all. Uh that doesn't register as as right to me either. And then it turns out that even
when she tried to fix the lie, which they probably thought through and Telegram, that this is where this took place on
Telegram, uh that was inaccurate. And he actually texted Dan an iMessage. So did somebody delete the messages before it was given to Erica?
53 minutesI know she's not concerned. Obviously, none of this bothers her. None of the holes bother her. She's just, you know, the loving doing widow who believes
every single piece that the Fed has spun and is not at all.
She doesn't even have one question about this investigation.
She just forgives him and she'd like to to close this chapter and move on.
And that's that. TJ Clark, Reich's ex Aurora PD officer here. September 10th was especially heavy for us due to the
local shooting um with Charlie Kirk right afterward. I took my kids out of school on 911 because of it. Happy to help with local records requests if you
ever need it. Thank you very much. I will save your username. That's very helpful. I don't know how um deep I will get into that September 10th story, but
I did I did do believe it deserved a more national spotlight and I can imagine what you guys went through.
That's a that's just a lot. Um, oh, oh, I'm sorry. You said Aurora PD. I'm thinking of the September 10th one.
Aurora PD was the Batman shooting. And yeah, that's super interesting. Please do shoot us an email to more tips.com so I can have your information because uh I do have some questions about that.
Totally bizarre. The the story of the the one woman who was shot like five times, then taken out by police officers into a police car and Jessica Garza, I believe her name was.
Something's very strange about that.
Like I said, I my conspiracy is that these are military targets, people that are being taken out. The fact that she had just survived another shooting. Um missed it in a food court up in Canada.
There's a lot weird about that story.
Uh Happy Coma writes, "It was almost certainly the Clear Creek Sheriff Office working in collaboration. We don't have our own police department in Evergreen."
That's interesting. State Patrol and Clear Creek responded. That's very interesting. And I would imagine that they would know the protocol
having been in the area of Coline. Thank you for sharing that.
Julia writes, "Just saw a words of wisdom video that Erica Kirk recorded of Charlie Kirk. He said, "You want to find out a lot about someone? Give them a
bunch of power. It just feels like a whole 2025 26 vibe between TPUSA, Trump, and Israel." Yeah. You know, we Somebody
made the joke. somebody who will not be named in the control room made the joke and I it really tickled me because if
you watch Lord of the Rings and like all of the people fighting for power uh for Charlie, it's like Charlie was the only one who could actually hold the ring and
not want unlimited power and then they were like Erica comes out of nowhere and just tastes the power and becomes that queen who's like I can be the queen. I
think we have that clip. We have the show the clip. This is the moment I'm talking about. If you're not a Lord of the Rings fan, dismiss this. But this is I'm like yeah. Yep. The ring. Tempting.
I can be your CEO. Let's watch this clip.
I do not deny that my heart has greatly desired this.
In place of a dark lord, you would have a queen. Not dark, but beautiful and terrible as the dawn. Treacherous is the sea.
of the foundations of the earth. All shall look and understand.
Yeah. Yeah. I think people wanted some power. I don't know.
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of the history of feminism will be turned off to the movement. I bet you will. That was kind of what made me go, "Oh, I don't want to be a feminist anymore now that I know the true dark
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CHARLIE’S SECRET VIDEO PRIVATE SCREENING BACKFIRES BADLY
Daily Freddo with Kasia
May 16, 2026



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It's been weeks since we've learned that there allegedly is a video of Charlie Kirk from Aspen where he says very specifically that he appoints Erica to
be the next CEO of TPUSA in case something happened to him. Problem is, we don't really believe such a video exists. Candace Owens in one of her
recent podcast episodes reported that TPUSA's senior production director Marcus Wada allegedly met with a Hollywood company specializing in voice
cloning, deep fakes, and AI generated video, specifically VFX Los Angeles. She also noted that TB USA already uses AI voices for some event presentations.
Example, voiceovers often cloned from Pastor John Aman Amanuku, sorry. So obviously the allegation here is that
TPUSA used said company to clone Charlie's voice for the Afest intro. And the fact that they refused to show us
the video from which the audio was taken makes everyone even more suspicious. And guess what? As usual, when TP USA is
caught on something shady, they go through a third party and provide a shaky proof. Just like in the case of Erica's alibi when Andrew Kovvet started
sending weird pictures and explanations to Gary from Paramount Tactical instead of just sending clear explanations to Candice who raised those questions in
the first place. So again, same thing with this Aspen video. Candace discovers TPUSA worked with an AI company and
suddenly conveniently Daily Mail publishes an article that claims their journalists got a private screening of
Charlie's video organized by Turning Point. How convenient and believable.
I'm going to read you the whole article in just a minute. It's the same Daily Mail, by the way, that Erica went to confront at the correspondents dinner
because they kept smearing her and Charlie's name. Let me remind you what she said.
Everyone is asking why I even went to the White House correspondence center, and it was because many of the journalists in that room have attempted
to dehumanize me, and I wanted to meet some of them face to face, quite frankly. Why have a conversation about me when you can have a conversation with
me? So, for example, a journalist from the Daily Mail came up to me. She introduced herself and she was saying,
she was very gracious. She was saying, "You look so beautiful. I'm so sorry for your loss." to which I replied, "It is
so nice to put a name to the face, especially with all the slander, the lies, accusations that are out there
surrounding my husband's murder and myself." And then I imagine she continued that conversation. On that note, let me give you exclusive access
to my husband's secret video that proves he wanted me to take over as TPUSA CEO.
Make it make sense. Erica was scared to leave her house. She was getting threats, but she summoned the courage to face Daily Mail journalists because she
couldn't stand how many lies they published about her and her husband, but also she decided they will be the ones who will get a private screening of the
most demanded video in the whole Charlie Kirk investigation. Okay, stupidity and shadiness reached the highest levels.
I'm going to read the article to you and I'm going to show you some tweets and videos for context in it. Really is insane. So to catch you up, everything
started from this audio that was added to the background music when Erica was coming out on stage at Afest 2025. And
I'm going to play the whole clip because there are people claiming that Erica did not walk out to her husband saying those
things. So technically it's true. Erica wasn't walking while the audio was playing, but the audio clip was playing
right before as an introduction to Erica, right before she steps on stage.
Okay. from the high school department, the college department. Let's make turning point so big that it can survive beyond just the founder. A lot of
organizations and groups, as soon as a founder leaves, it just kind of collapses. A lot of my job is not always in the dayto-day details. It's very much
vision casting, very much driving success.
But we have a great board and god forbid if something happens, they'll figure it out. I appoint my wife to run Turning Point USA. If something happens to me, Erica would do a great job.
You are the heartbeat of this future and of this movement. Everything that Charlie built, you guys are the legacy
holders of that. You are living proof that his mission did not die with him.
It lives through you. And Charlie always said, "The next generation will decide whether freedom endures."
And because of you, I know that freedom will endure.
The next speaker is a very, very special speaker. and she has had a heroic last year and I believe she's the best mom in
the world. She is my hero and the love of my life. Join me in welcoming Erica Kirk. Okay. And then she comes out on stage.
Candace Owens rightfully pointed out that if there is an audio of it, there surely must be a video, too. So, she kept pressing for TP USA to release the
video to prove to us that Charlie actually said it and that it wasn't some AI generated version of Charlie's speech. which would be creepy and
disgusting. Blake Nef volunteered the answer. Candice, we haven't bothered playing it because we know psychopathic
predators like yourself do not care what is true or false. And normal evidentiary logic has no effect on you. You're the kind of person who sees coded messages
in the number 33, but then ignores evidence like DNA on a rifle or the TR's own family members turning him in.
playing the audio at Afest already wasn't enough. You'll obviously just say it's AI or a hologram or an is actor or
something. So, what's the point? We gave up the possibility of any good faith conversation with you months ago. It's like trying to reason with a maniac
brandishing a knife and screaming at people on the sideway on the subway.
You're the same thing. They changed their mind conveniently, right at the time Candace discovered they were using the company to create audio copies of
their speakers voices. Here is the article headline. Bombshell secret video of Charlie Kirk naming his true turning point successor days before
assassination. Yes. So first of all, first red flag clickbait title. There is no video in the article that's behind
the payw wall. only explanation that journalists got a secret private viewing of said video that made a lot of people
online angry. Anyways, the article says about 200 Turning Point USA donors shifted nervously in their seats at an
exclusive retreat in Aspen, Colorado in August last year as one patron stood to pose an unusual question to the group's
founder, Charlie Kirk. kind of a hard question to ask, but I think it's probably important to everybody in this room. And I'm wondering about turning
point succession plan should, God forbid, something happened to you, the concerned benefactor asked.
It's not funny. What a great question, Carrick responded, dead pun promoting tense laughter in the crowd. Kirk was
hosting a Q&A session at the tri triumphant gathering. They were in part celebrating Turning Point's role in helping elect President Donald Trump and
making plans to found new group chapters in American high schools. Several people in the room thought the question seemed like a distraction, but Kirk took time
to answer it. Some of America's great founder organizations, he observed, had collapsed after their original leader left. His goal at Turning Point USA, he explained, was to make it visionled.
Poor Charlie thought the people he was putting in charge understood and would continue his vision. Unfortunately, most people agree that there is no TP USA
without Charlie. That's unfortunate. So then they quote Charlie, "A lot of my job is not always in the day-to-day details. It's very much vision casting,
very much drive driving success." He said, "We have a great board and god forbid if something happens, they will figure it out. I appoint my wife to run
8 minutesTurning Point USA. If something happens to me, Erica would do a great job." he said reassur reassuringly before moving to the next question. Here is my
problem. It sounds chopped. It doesn't sound like a real chain of sentences someone would organically say. When they played that audio, I assumed if it's
real, they probably chopped the original longer speech and just published the relevant sentences stitched together.
But here, suddenly the claim is that this is exactly what Charlie said.
That's the first red flag for me. It doesn't sound organic. It doesn't sound like a normal answer. I think he would take a little bit more time to explain
like there are people like this guy, there are people like that guy, they know what I trained this person, I trained that person, they know and if
something happens to me, uh I believe my wife would be a great person to continue my mission. I trust her and she has a
great circle of support around you know like there would be answer would be this just doesn't sound real to me. I'm
9 minutessorry. And then the article continues. 3 weeks after the Aspen event, a worst nightmare was realized. Kirk, 31, was shot and killed by an alleged assassin
while speaking at Utah Valley University on September 10. 8 days after that, the organization's board voted unanimously to appoint his widow as his successor.
Video of the Aspen donor conference has never been released publicly, but the Daily Mail has been given exclusive access to watch the full video, report
on its contents, and speak to individuals who were in the room in Aspen that day as secrecy around the footage has become a major point of
contention of critics of Turning Point and its new CEO, Erica Kirk. Such gatherings are considered private by the organization, and attendees are asked
not to film them. But Turning Point cameras were rolling that day. that day.
So, another new thing, guys. They never filmed those meetings, but somehow, luck must have had it. Someone filmed this
one in particular, not knowing, of course, this would be Charlie's last meeting. Everything is so convenient.
Erica first revealed the details of Kirk's remarks during an interview with podcaster Megan Kelly in late November.
Audio was also played as part of a montage introducing Erica wearing a glittering pants suit. Why did this Okay, I'm sorry. Whose side are they on?
Why did they add that? Okay, again, audio was also played as part of a montage introducing Erica wearing a glittering pants suit before her first
speech as CEO at the annual Turning Point USA convention America Fest in December. That has not been enough for
Erica's detractors, including former Turning Point communications director turned media personality Candace Owens, who has alleged that the video may be
fake or even part of a scheme by outside forces to seize control of Turning Point. For several weeks, Owens has led
a crusade demanding the public release of the video. On the set of her popular podcast, she has a photo of Charlie Kirk
show producer Blake Nev with a number counter marking the days since she made her request. Yes, that's true. The video
sounds AI to all of us. And a very simple thing would be for Turning Point to release the video. They can blur the faces of people that were there.
Whatever. Just show the video and the whole thing will stop. Why give an exclusive viewing of the video to journalists that were smearing you till
now? What is the deal they made behind the scenes for this article to be published? This whole thing just sparks more questions and makes everyone trust
Erica less. Um, I don't know. Erica, Owens continued, would be a confirmed ruthless psychopath if she had a hand in
faking her husband's voice to strengthen her case for taking control of Turning Point. If the audio is bogus, Owens said, we would be looking at the
psychological profile of people that I would suggest are very much capable of cold-blooded. Owens has also claimed to have spoken to three donors allegedly
present at the event who allegedly told her that they did not recall Kirk's remarks about appointing Erica to succeed him. that conflicts with the
Daily Mail's review of the footage and accounts of multiple Turning Point donors, some of whom were in the room during the Aspen event. And then it
continues, "A Daily Mail requests to Owens to speak to the donors she was referring to was not returned. Several
individuals who were inside the Aspen event told the Daily Mail that they heard Kirk say that Erica should be his successor and immediately thought of
those remarks after Erica's appointment as CEO. One prominent donor said that when the question about succession was asked, his mind flashed back to a
conversation he had with Kirk the previous evening at a dinner. There is always everyone has this profound conversations just the night before,
just two nights before with Charlie. He made sure to speak to every single person in the month leading to UVU event
and and to re to leave directions to give his profound thoughts, you know, on continuation of his legacy. How
convenient. We all do it, you know, all the time. Now I will skip to the portion of the article that tries to validate
what Blake Nef tried to make us believe that Charlie spoke about being taken out and Erica taking over on daily basis
constantly. He quoted Charlie, "It will be fine. Erica will take over." Listen to this. It was not the first time Kirk had comprehended his mortality. Longtime
Turning Point USA board member Mike Miller told the Daily Mail. As Kirk's fame and success grew, so did his fears
of what would happen to the mission in his absence, Miller said. When Kirk reportedly started receiving, Miller was emphatic that Turning Point Higher
Personal Security as well as put a succession plan in place. I said, Charlie, God forbid something happens.
What do you recommend that we do? He said, Erica is very bright. She can handle it. We have discussed this. I would be totally comfortable with Erica
running things. Miller recalled. This sounds so real. This is not a new question that he had from people.
Another Turning Point board member told the Daily Mail. I remember this topic coming up repeatedly over the years.
Mhm. Yeah. Several Turning Point allies feel that too much attention has been focused on the video from Aspen and said
it was always clear to them that Kirk had intended for Erica to lead the organization in his absence. Too much attention, guys. Don't pay too much
attention to some secret video. Okay, that could literally prove that all of it is true, but they just choose not to release it. Okay, do not focus on it.
It's the same with grief. Okay, if someone is acting weird, don't look into that. Everyone grieavves differently.
They just do things differently. That's it. Daily Mail saw it and they tell us it exists now. The whole video. So, we
have to believe and move on. Stop focusing on it. It's inconveniencing too many people. One personally involved donor allegedly said to Daily Mail,
"Erica knows more about Charlie's feelings and emotions and where he wanted to bring Turning Point than anybody else out there." The board
member said the board already knew what the plan was because they talked about it with Charlie. Everybody knew. Friends
of Kirk also told the Daily Mail that he frequently spoke of his wife taking over the organization in his absence. Donald
Trump Jr., a close friend of the couple, told the Daily Mail he recalled speaking with Kirk about the future of Turning Point USA, especially as threats to
conservative figures escalating during the 2024 election. After the attempt of my father's life in on my father's life in Butler, Charlie and I spoke multiple
times about the deaths we both constantly faced. And in those conversations, he made it aboundedly clear to me that if anything ever
happened to him, he wanted Erica to be left in charge of Turning Point. He said he wasn't shy about saying it and didn't
keep it a secret from those of us who were close to him. How weird is that that they do the whole article quoting
people. Trust me, bro. Charlie told me that Erica should take over and they will not release a video of Charlie
actually saying it. First of all, if they had a video from the beginning, the second they appointed Erica Kirk as CEO,
I assure you, they would attach this video in the email announcing it. It would be all over social media. It would be a spectacle. Okay? It would be
amazing for Charlie to be like, "Yes, she will do a good job. She should be my successor." Don't tell me that wouldn't be PR brilliance on their part. Okay.
Whatever is happening now ism not brilliant. But it's settled then. If they say that Charlie said so, everyone
must believe it. Let's continue. Going forward, Turning Point has no plans to publish the video of the Aspen event.
Well, look at that. They will never do it. We never release investor videos to protect the privacy of those present at those gatherings. And we are not
changing that policy. Now, a turning point representative told the Daily Mail, "While the public release of the video would prove Owen's suggestions of
a fraud to be false, some in the organization believe good faith efforts would be rejected and the video would be weaponized. On top of those concerns,
the donor who asked the successionary question does not want her question and identity revealed to the public," source
within the organization told the Daily Mail. So, Turning Point changed the rules and decided to film that meeting
that was never filmed before. Any of those meetings, they were never filmed before. This is the only one they filmed, but won't change the rules now
by publishing a video where they could simply blur out the members faces, change their voices, whatever. They could literally just play the portion of
Charlie answering the question. That's it. But for some reason, they won't.
They really must think we are all stupid and will now move on with our lives. all calm and reassured because a journalist
from Daily Mail told us, "Trust me, bro, the video exists." They end the article with very poetic, "James Cadis, a
pastor, personal friend, and spiritual adviser to the couple, told the Daily Mail he was comforted when Erica was appointed by the board to succeed a
Kirk, recalling personal conversations with the couple." Of course, everyone had conversation with everyone about it.
Still to this day, I can say I'm so relieved that Charlie's wishes came through on this. Kadis said, "It's hard to even comment on it. They should have
just kept it as it was. The public was demanding the video and they were quiet about it. That was a better strategy rather than hosting a private screening,
alleged fake screening of non-existing video." Okay, that's the suspicious suspicion here. We are all convinced that the video definitely exists now.
It's all real, right? Because they said that. Especially that the pastor said it. Then we must believe it. Here are
some users comments. This sorry article, LMFAO. So now we learned TPUSA doesn't have a video of Charlie naming his
successor. This is not helping with the AI allegations. Drop the video or admit y'all are liars. TPUSA. Enough with the
excuses, you cowards. This is so strange. Is it for money that it's hidden? Why on earth should any of us
have just blind faith like this that the report is accurate or even has any truth to it? Please just make it make sense.
This is getting more and more convoluted. Just explain why phantom reported should be believed.
And this one, this is so ridiculous. The donor's presence said it never happened.
How stupid do you think we are? Erica and TP USA look even more guilty that lies are never ending. They killed him.
They said it, not me. The audio was fake AF and appointing Erica was against everything Charlie actually said. Yeah,
nobody's buying it. Another fail on of TP USA trying to trick us into believing their word. How embarrassing. But as
usual, I want to know what you guys think. Does the video exist or was Charlie's voice AI generated and they are trying to cover it? Let me know in
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LIVE With Victor Marx: What Did He Know About 9/10? | Candace Ep 341
Candace Owens
May 19, 2026

Today we are going live with gubernatorial candidate for Colorado and Turning Point USA faith leader, Victor Marx.



Transcript

Chapter 1: Start.
All right, you guys. Happy Tuesday. At least we hope it's going to be a happy Tuesday. We all have our fingers crossed for Thomas Massie down in Kentucky.
Let's go Thomas Massie. We'll see what happens. We got to start today with some sad news. Some very sad news this morning because we are still being
ghosted by the White House. I don't know why it seems very weird. White House press team does not want to respond about that email. Is it real? Yes or no?
I'm hurting. I slept with Breijit Doll last night. That's what I do. and I'm having a really bad day. It's okay though because what we've done is we
have since filed an FOIA request for the relative White House correspondents dinner emails. I think we're going to
get lucky. Anyway, for today we're not going to focus on that. Instead, we are going to bring you a conversation with the man, the myth, the legend Victor
Marx, gubernatorial candidate for Colorado. A fascinating guy, right? You got to just admit he's fascinating.
Another, dare I say, troubled faith leader tied to Turning Point USA. I mean, this could be the dawn of a new
series. Fantastic pastors and Where to Find Them. Welcome back to Candace.
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Chapter 2: Some background on Victor Marx.
Okay. Okay, so we're not exactly burying the lead. As I said, today we are going to be joined by Victor Marx, Colorado's gubernatorial candidate, but I want to
at first provide you with the refresher about who he is and why I am interested in him. So, uh, Victor Marx is very much a part of the Turning Point faith orbit.
He is apparently extraordinarily close to Erica Kirk, right? So much so that he was the first that we could find to
publicly announce that Charlie Kirk had passed away on September 10th um on social media. I believe it was on Instagram. It was an hour and a half
2 minutesbefore the president of the United States made the announcement even though he has since uh deleted that Instagram
post. We then know that when Erica came home uh after bringing back Charlie's body in a casket aboard Air Force 2,
Victor Marks and his wife Eileen were among the small circle of people who were um welcomed into Erica's home to
comfort her and to take photos of the grieving widow. Eventually, those photos were shared on the internet. Now, I am
also informed that he presented her with a bulletproof car transportation. uh he alluded to that in the Instagram post
getting her home uh providing uh transportation to keep her and her children safe. So we can ask him about that. And shortly thereafter, Victor
Marx announced that he was running for governor of Colorado, a calling that he felt came from God in the wake of
Charlie's assassination. But who actually is Victor Marx? I'm getting old, you're getting old. Our memory is fuzzy. Let me give you a little bit of a
recap. Uh I've already told you his real name is Von Victor Kennedy. that's his birth name at least. Um, and he has told a lot of stories about his childhood,
namely surrounding his stepfather, Glo Dean Kennedy. Abuse that he says that he endured at the hands of Glo, which that
abuse began when Victor was just three years old. We're going to show you more about what he says about that in a bit.
What we do know about his stepfather is that Glo did serve in the army doing counter intelligence. He then plead
guilty to a conspiracy to uh running an international drug smuggling ring marijuana out of Jamaica. Victor's
brother, Mike Kennedy, also plead guilty as a co-conspirator, but he took a plea deal in exchange for testifying against
his um his stepfather. Victor Marx's biological dad was Karl Marx. What a
name. He was a pimp, a drug dealer, and a world famous martial arts expert. I am told Victor Marx is in fact very good at
martial arts by the way. Um now in terms of his biological father, his biological father spent time in a mental hospital
for homicidal tendencies. Uh something that Victor Marx has expressed that he has experienced as well during during a
period of his life. Victor's grandfather I told you killed his grandmother. So,
his grandfather killed his grandmother in a public murder suicide. Uh, you're going to hear about Victor Marx's life.
Some highlights, I would say. Age three, beheaded a cat. Age seven, Victor Marx killed his first person because his
stepdaddy told him to. By the time he was 17, he had lived in 17 homes and attended 14 schools, was involved with drugs, fights, and theft in high school
at 18. Victor joined the Marine Corps, served for two years before he was discharged. At 21, he says he found
Jesus and he started attending Calvary Chapel Church. My favorite church fave.
All right, 10 out of 10. Calvary Chapel Church and definitely the pastors. At 23, Victor married his wife Eileene.
Eileen breeding marks and they went on to have five kids and grandkids. In 2003, um, he and his brother began All
Things Possible Ministries. In 2023, Eileen's brother, Kenneth Brining, tried
to shoot Victor Marks on Victor's property. Fortunately, Victor survived that, but Eileen's brother would go on
to kill his own girlfriend. Not really sure what's going on with this family, but it's a lot. Like I said, he
announced his candidacy for governor of Colorado on October 1st. So obvious that's the reason why his background is now being called into question. It's
quite mysterious and um he began teasing that run at the memorial service for Charlie Kirk just 4 days after Charlie's
6 minutesdeath. So by the way you don't have to take these biographical items from me.
You can also hear Victor Marks. He has not been shy about sharing his story.
Take a listen to him uh tell about how he grew up.
I remember sitting on the ground with my arms still tied to the bed post and then he brought a an animal in, a dead cat,
and he had a knife and he said, "I want you to cut the head off this cat." And I was I was terrified. And he said,
"If you don't, I'll cut your head off." So at three, yeah, about three and a half, I used a knife, cut the cat's head off, and then
he put the carcass on my head and blood dripped down on me. So that was the first really memory that I have of
what would be the beginning of a lot of abuse. My stepfather, he put one hand on my wrist. He and he put his finger over
my trigger finger and then he pushed and I pulled and um I shot the guy in his
head and it killed him and he shoved him in the hole and he buried him. He wrapped the pistol with a handkerchief
and he said, "If you ever tell anybody what I've done," he said, "I know where this body is."
And he said, "I'll tell the police. It's your fingerprints on this pistol. And he says, "They'll arrest you.
They'll put you in prison." But I remember being at a morg again wrapped to a chair and watching them dismember a
corpse and um then watching them burn it. And and I've dealt with thousands of demons now. Thousands.
Easily. I've had demons speak to me through people. Had one just saying, "I'm effing. I will effing kill you. I
will murder you. I'm like, shut up. No, you won't. You're being judged right now. Stop using this man's voice. Over
100 missions complete. Uh, would trauma care or help over 45,000 women and children? Jan, because of our access and
our relationships with the special operating community and the IDF, they took us in the places no one could go
and they showed us things that uh Hamas and many Palestinians would say
is just propaganda or a lie. Like, oh yeah, yeah, I let him hold a grenade for his birthday.
This guy's trying to kill me. If he comes out of the trailer and he takes that corner, I'm going to kill him. please prepare yourself.
And I remember her going, "What?" They diagnosed me with bipolar 2, ultra rapid cyclinger,
and put me on a lot of meds. There wasn't any help or hope beyond that. I was just spinning, suicidal, homicidal.
On the medications, I was I was suicidal, and probably more homicidal.
Now, I would be remiss if I didn't also add that Victor Marks is very much involved in human trafficking charity all around the world because all of
Erikica Kirk's dearest friends are, as I've mentioned on this show, which just seems to be one of the running themes.
Anyway, as you know, we hosted Corby Hall, who claimed that Victor Marx was doing some deals or attempting to do some deals on behalf of the IDF. He
never said those deals were illegal, uh, just that he declined to participate in them. buying trying to buy 50,000 guns
for the IDF. We'll ask Victor Marks about that. Um, now his relationship, Victor Marx's relationship with the IDF is not a matter of opinion. It's a
matter of fact, as you just heard him speak about it. We have also confirmed that Victor Marx conducts this quote
unquote retooling prayer where he claims that he is able to summon demons into a room out of a person's body uh on more
than just Corby Hall and his wife on other people as well. In fact, I am told that he was once conducting such prayers
at the Turning Point USA headquarter office. So, that's an interesting thing.
And this is odd because Victor Marx is not a pastor. Actually, he has claimed to be a pastor throughout the years
according to many people. Proof of that exists on his own website. By the way, um it used to say that he was a husband,
a father, a US Marine, a pastor, but that has since been quietly removed.
Now, Corby Hall, you should know, is one of many people who have accused Victor Marks of abuse. that when these allegations tend to arrive, Victor Marks always rebutts them with the same line.
The person making the allegations is troubled that he was just trying to help them or rescue them from themselves.
Corby Hall, he has said, has mental issues. Um, there are other people outside of Corby Hall, for example, a
young woman named Holly Calmer's or Chalmer's accused him of kidnapping her across state lines and of exploiting
her. Victor Markx claims that he was actually rescuing her from her pedophile boyfriend. Um, this is what she had to say in her own words. Take a listen.
What do you want our listeners to know about Victor Marx, the man that you believe that he is, and the experience that you had with him?
I believe that he's a trafficker himself.
That's interesting because that's a question we've been asking on this show.
all of these trafficking charities, what are they involved in themselves? I I don't know. Anyway, Victor Marx's own
son wrote a letter to the board on a company that Victor was a part of accusing his father of abusing both him
and his sister. Victor Marx's daughter made multiple social media posts confirming that he was in fact an
abusive father despite her not having wanted the information to be publicized in the first place. Here's a sample of
what she wrote on social media. She wrote, "On April 26th of this year, a letter was sent to my dad's board sharing detailed events revealing that I
experienced abuse at the hands of my father for many years and that there needed to be accountability and financial restitution was being
recommended. I had no idea about this letter and I would even do a lie detector test to prove that. There was zero intention of the letter and the
private matters to be made public. That was even stated in the letter. My parents did not handle this letter well and immediately requested the requests
in the letter to be retracted or there would be quote unquote consequences. My dad's CEO reached out to me after my father's request for this to be
retracted, offering me $55,000 as essentially be quiet money. I declined the offer and requested that we all do intense family therapy and intervention.
Now, to be clear, uh she eventually is going to recant many of these allegations, but her friends privately
emailed this show and asserted that no, she was telling the truth about her father and her upbringing and that it was only due to financial pressure and
control that Victor Marx hold apparently allegedly holds over her life in the wake of her divorce from her husband that she is singing a different tune
publicly. I cannot confirm that. We do not not speaking to his daughter today.
We're speaking to Victor Marx. We can only confirm that abuse allegations tend to follow Victor Marks both at home and
abroad. Now, we have also been contacted, I should say, by families of by family members of Victor Marx himself
who claimed that his entire backstory of stuff he is saying about his stepfather simply is not true. That he was not forced to kill anybody, that there are
no bodies in the backyards of their farms. uh and that his stepfather Glo was indeed a crazy man that he did not
abuse those kids. Fortunately, like I said, we will be joined by Victor Marks himself when we get back from break. All
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Chapter 3: My interview with Victor Marx.
All right, you guys. Let's bring in Victor Marks. Victor Marks, welcome to the Candace Show. How are you doing? I'm doing good, Candace.
And thank you for joining me. I'm sorry that uh I missed your message that came back to me on I think it was April 22nd.
Um I know we were pinging over Instagram, but I'm glad that you could join us today. Um I I'd like to guide this conversation sort of in order
meaning starting a little bit with your background. I think I have a lot of questions about some of the stories that you've shared and um I did I was able to
speak to some of your family members and they seem to have some questions about some of the biographical items that you share. Um so just beginning with uh I I
think sort of the inflection points this story about beheading a cat and wearing its head at the age of three. I mean it's not an easy thing to behead a cat.
[laughter]
I have a lot of toddlers. Do you stand by that?
Well, let's start with I think what's most relevant right now are the latest accusations by your last guest, Corby,
which is I think what brought us together on this whole issue. uh in what
we're going to discuss in the time I'm giving you uh freely to talk about some things. Are are you willing to admit
when you're wrong or you've been misguided?
Uh so Victor, just so you know, you're on my show. I'm not on yours. So I'm going to guide the conversation. I said I'm happy to speak about Corby. Um there are there are broader concerns.
Actually, the way that the my highest interest in you is obviously as it relates uh to Charlie Kirk and your involvement with Turning Point USA. I I
realize that we can speak about Corby, but you're uh you know, this isn't this isn't your stage. So, respectfully, I do want to
you are running for governor, so I think your biography is important. Uh obviously, the Corby Hall stuff is important and if something is wrong, we're happy to correct it. We did invite
you to come on the show with Corby, which we asked you to do because that made the most sense because you guys could rebut each other face to face. You
declined to do that. So Corby had the stage for himself and I could not offer a rebuttal because I wasn't there for the conversations. Um so the answer
[clears throat]
the answer is yes. But I want to start with your biographical items. Do you stand by that that story that inflection point canvas? We have to start with what
brought me here which is Corby and I clearly communicated to you and your staff do not have him on do your
research because he's unstable. And the very person that platformed him for you, Corey, has felled out a statement both
with local authorities and FBI that he is homicidal and he told her and her husband that he had plans to kill me and
she felt responsible for it being fueled and your name was brought up as he's aggravated. Something about he didn't
get what he wanted out of your show. But I need you to at least acknowledge. Did Corey contact y'all? Not Corby, but did
Corey contact y'all with the concerns of not platforming Corby again?
Well, you brought up a homicidal. That's actually something that you just you said in the clip that we just showed that you yourself have had homicidal thoughts. Do you still have homicidal
thoughts or was that a period in your life?
That was a long time ago and I'm thankful I didn't. But currently, this gentleman is being sought by the FBI and
El Paso County Sheriff's Department, who admitted to Corey, the individual who platformed him on your show, that he was
struggling with homicidal thoughts and he gave detailed plans on how he was going to lay and wait to kill me. Are you
Well, that's not anything that we heard on this show. So, like I said, we can't rebut on that. We received only a message from Corey that she got a phone call from the FBI and that they were
investigating you for gun running. Did she inform you of this? I don't know. I would really like to go back to the biographical items though of your life.
I don't want to get into your background investigations. I was not contacted by the FBI. I can't verify it. And as I said, we can discuss Corby's
allegations. Uh but I would like to begin with just the cat. Uh did you behead the cat at the age of three? Do
you stand by that story? Did your team view social media as y'all are a quasi investigative team by all your
allegations? Did you see Cory's public statement about what happened and how
this is very serious? They cannot locate this individual you platformed Corby Hall and both his wife. Victor, I I I
just have to rebut you here and say that I I I don't necessarily trust what you are saying. Uh given the fact that you don't want to answer just basic
biological questions and after having spoken with your family members who say that it's largely made up, I have no reason uh to believe anything that
you're saying right now. Uh so I'd like to just kind of focus on your character.
We can talk about Corby. Uh I have nothing to do with any pending investigations. I have not been contacted by law enforcement. So I'm not interested in having a discussion about information.
You've been Candace, you seem to be a little afraid of truth and what I once thought was a
solid show years ago. You've turned this into a TMZ and worse than TMZ, it's like a T Teu version of it. I'm asking you,
did your staff not see the statement that Corey Kennedy posted online? We're talking about a homicidal individual who
has threatened to kill me and your name was brought up.
I I have answered your question. I have not seen it. So, I cannot have a conversation with you about that. What I can have a conversation with you about is the statements that you have publicly
made since you are joining the show. Uh and I would like to focus on your biographical items because as I said, I've spoken with your family in
Martinville and they claim uh that your stories are fantastical. So, I'm just asking you and we can then get into some
questions about the uh alleged gun sales that you were trying to conduct with Corby, which is what we discussed on the show and which we have seen evidence
for. I cannot speak to you about something a report that I have not seen that you claim is happening and I would like to just kind of get you focused
here because you're running for the record. I don't think that I don't think that Corby is your number one issue.
Thank you. Corby is my number one issue right now. State of Colorado.
Corby is the number one issue right now who's homicidal and admitted he wanted to kill me and how he was going to do
it. That's why authorities are looking for him. But to my point of people that are watching this, I cannot confirm anything that Victor Marks is saying. I
have not said it. I think he is using uh my platform to potentially spin some tales. The only thing that I heard was that there was an FBI investigation uh
that was looking into you for guns and that's all I've heard and I'm not interested in that. I would like to now since you have the stage focus on you as
23 minutesa gubanatorial candidate and your background and so if I could go back to that yes or no question, do you stand by this story that you beheaded a cat at the age of three?
Of course I do. But we're happy to give you the FBI's agents name who is in charge of the investigation and moved it
here. Regarding my Marine Corps time, this is one of the most flagrant misnomers that you have that really made
us go, I don't think they're very professional in their investigations.
You claimed without a doubt that only served two years in the Marine Corps. Do you stand by that?
That was what we could find. I'm happy to edit that if you'd like to give us an updated answer.
Well, so much edited. It was three years and it was on the DD214.
So used spread misinformation with great confidence and said, "What was he doing?" Which shows the lack of
professionalism that y'all can't even read a DD214.
So, uh, you know what? I'd appreciate an apology from you on mis
representing my service to the United States when I served in the Marine Corps. Will you offer me an apology for that? I I think this was just sort of a
clerical error that could just have been resolved right here. Like I said, you could come on the show and we could talk about your biography. So now you know the truth owed some emotional apology.
It was just thought it was two years. You misrepresented my Marine Corps time. I would appreciate an apology.
I'm I'm not going to apologize to you for that. I think a little bit over the top. I we reported too.
Believe me, veterans around the country would stand with me. Veterans don't like to be misrepresented and you are
misrepresenting my time in service in the Marine Corps and you won't offer an happy to update the entire veteran community will take note of that. Thank you.
No problem. We're just happy to correct the error that we made. We said two years and he says it's three. Um
my 214 says three years and it is a big deal. Candace, don't minimize my military service.
Okay. I was not minimizing it. I legitimately thought it was two and we stand correctly. Then offer an apology.
I'm I'm not going to apologize to you, Victor. I I I I sense that you are quite arrogant and you're used to being in control of people.
I'm not used to being I am a true I'm not that individual.
For someone who is just uh lambbasted innocent people uh as an internet bully, you're not used to someone come on the show holding your feet to the fire.
I I my feet don't feel like they're held to the fire at all. I think you're kind of representing yourself as a little all over the place and unable to just present not at all items as I'm giving you the
opportunity to do. I'm ask correcting you so that we can have an honest conversation and it's not another Timu TMZ approach.
Okay. You've done that cool line twice.
Timu TMZ. I see you had that ready to go in the chamber. Let's move on. Let's talk about your uh let's talk about your your stepfather. Um, you also claimed
that you you killed a man uh at the age of seven because he instructed you to do that and buried him in the backyard. Your family disputes that neighborhood.
They also noted that there are no news stories that would even back up that a man was missing. It's quite a rural community, Martinville, Mississippi. If
someone went missing that that might have been noticed. Um, can you give us the name of the person that you said that you walked in and told the police
that you murdered however many years ago because your father forced you to?
What was the name of the town you just mentioned? Is this Martinville, Mississippi? No, it's not.
Where did you You didn't grow up in Martinville, Mississippi. No, I did not. Where did you grow up?
I think you could at least find that out from reading my book or watching our documentary. Would you like would you like to do Are you familiar with Mississippi at all?
Of course I am.
Okay. Am I getting the name of the town wrong? Do you want to just tell us as as opposed to trying to uh do a a dunking on where in Mississippi did you grow up?
Ma'am, you're accusing me of a that I'm not telling the truth on things.
No, I'm just saying that you said you murdered a man. So, if you could tell us what town that was in, that'd be helpful.
It's in interviews I've done. It's in our documentary.
And I'm telling you, if you can at least get the town that I'm in, how can we trust you with more information that you're bringing?
The bigger thing is the homicide that was committed so we can we can scrap about the town later if you don't want to say it. Uh, are you saying you murdered a man anywhere in 50 states?
Can you give us the name of the man that you were forced to murder? I didn't know who he was.
You didn't know who he was? Okay. and you walked into a police station with this information and were told it doesn't it doesn't matter anymore. Is that correct?
Is that your assumption that I walked into a police station? Where did you hear that?
That you confessed to Well, the reason why we know this information at all is because you've shared it publicly uh and said that they
Okay. So, why don't you re reshare the story and what's happened with that story since? Well, why don't you present it accurately? So,
the whole point of me having you on the show and giving you the platform is not so that you can quiz me on your background, but rather so that you could
just answer the questions and share the story in its correct context with the right city. So, we don't you don't have to worry about misinformation because you have a platform right now. Go ahead.
Well, Candace, I have a platform without you. We have four million followers and listen, I've been on much bigger
programs than yours. I don't need yours to clarify what we're doing, but what you're doing is making slanderous accusations that are incorrect at the
very basic level. So, no, I did not walk into a police station. I called the sheriff department and made the claim
many years later. Does that help? I'm doing the certainly does help. Thank you for being able to just answer something and doing a quick fix there. Does not everything
has to take five minutes. You called the sheriff's department rather than walked into it. Thank you so much. Um, and what happened after that, Victor?
Well, let me ask you this before I go on. Have you ever been abused as a kid?
Um, have I ever Are you asking if I've ever beheaded a cat?
No. I'm asking you, have you ever suffered physical or sexual abuse as a kid?
Uh, I I would say that uh it would be a little bit more extreme if you say that you murdered someone like that's extreme abuse versus people.
But that's not correct. But that's not what I asked you. I asked you personally, have you ever been physically or sexually abused as a kid?
I have not been. I have. No, I have not suffered [clears throat] any sexual abuse.
I I am happy you have not. Now, what we're entering into now, we must be very careful cuz what and who I represent are
millions of both kids and adults who've suffered abuse. And in no way do I want to make minimum this or make it some
type of ratings for you. I've shared my story as an adult regarding my childhood
in the abuse that I suffered from three to seven years ago.
What I'm telling you is that your family members dispute it. So, it's not about a TV moment. It's about me having spoken to your family members who say that this never happened. So, that is of interest
obviously because you really you want to be the governor of Colorado. So, you know, figuring out whether or not [clears throat] you tell fantastical
stories or whether or not you're able to tell the truth is kind of important for voters, I would say. And I'm inclined to think that you tell some whoppers. Uh
because the trying to make it emotional and say, "Well, have you ever suffered sexual abuse?" We're talking about a homicide. Okay. So, I don't I don't know
that there are many people who can say that I had to kill someone or behead a cat um when I was 7 years old and bury the body in the backyard. That feels
like an extreme example. Lots of abuse takes place. Sexual abuse takes place.
Um I've heard many of these stories. I I would like to this is actually very important if this is an unsolved crime.
You don't know who this man is. Uh where did this uh I'd like you to just tell a little bit more about what the sheriff said to you when you called and said
that you will interesting though that you're claiming my family members from Martinville, Louisiana claimed this
never happened. I am six years old and never once has my family refuted any of this. As a matter of fact, my sister was
on my documentary film, The Victor Mark Story, which folks can watch. It's a documentary on YouTube, and she actually
completely solidifies the abuse because she went through it. So did other family members.
So, I'm not sure who you're talking to.
And if you Are you referring to Charmaine?
I am not. I'm talking Are you referring to Debbie? and my older sister.
I didn't speak I did not speak with Debbie. So So Charmaine, if you spoke with Charmaine, she is my halfsister who is
the daughter of the abuser, Gloris Dean Kennedy. And I have tried to protect her
because she has children. I've tried to protect the family that still carries Kennedy's name out of just um I I think
caring for people. and my sister has struggled in her life uh with things
including you know a fiance who committed suicide and it's sad that so much of our problems stemmed from
horrible abuse from her blood biological father. So I'm sorry about that but but also somebody could be missing a
relative that got murdered. Um, so I do think it is relative like to you running for governor to know why a sheriff as
you tell it would decline to look into the matter if someone was killed and buried in your backyard.
Right. Right here at our leadership training center, we've got members from IAC, we've got attorney general folks,
we've got investigators, we've got analysts and detectives that come here to our training center for a retreat. We
bring people in. I work by through and with law enforcement. I haveus with them. I
work to become the man that I wish someone had been when I was a kid to protect me. Uh what I'm saying and when
we talk about kids suffering abuse or in my case abuse and then forced to shoot someone, yes, I was older in life before
I went to the police because it's a horrific thing to deal with. The reason why the it is a cold case, it was 40
years old. We don't know where the house is. We don't know where he was buried.
We don't know who the victim was. And my grand my my father, it was my stepfather at the time. He was put in prison for
unrelated charges to murder, but it was sadly drug use and bringing it in. But
there's there's a cold case. They could not find anything. At least I went to them to clear my conscience cuz I I
suffered for years thinking that I had killed a person.
So you you don't know where the house is, you said, right?
No. Oh, no. I was brought there at night. I was 7 years old and I was forced to lie in the back of a car. And And do you know what city it was in?
Just out of curiosity.
Uh there were two towns or sister towns, Menon Hall and McGee. It was in one of those. Yeah. in Simpson County,
Mississippi. Feel free to contact the sheriff department.
Okay. Thank you. I I I wanted to know about this um like who authorized you to
be able to uh summon demons or exercise demons. You told many stories about uh
35 minutesconfronting demons, demanding to know what their names are. Where did you receive that sort of training? Because
you don't say you're a pastor now. Is that right?
Uh, I was in ministry and I tried being a pastor, but I wasn't called to it. I was called more to be, I would say, a
unique evangelist that helped people around the world. Now, as we step into this realm of spiritual warfare, I have
to ask you just for clarity so I know how to communicate it best to you. Are you a Christian or a believer in Christ?
Yes.
Do you believe the Bible to be the inherent word of God?
I just to cut through what I think you're perhaps getting at. Um I
think you and I would probably have different faith beliefs if if that's what you are are interested in. Um yeah, which which is fine.
I I think that you is it fair to assume that evangelical Calvary Chapel are are you evangelical? Is that correct?
I am a born again believer in Christ. Okay.
So, I'm Catholic, so the idea of you not being a priest and being able to exercise demons is something that I'm interested in.
So, I would just like to know who sort of granted you that authority. When did you start doing that?
Yeah. Well, you believe in good and evil, right? Mhm.
And do you believe that demons actually exist?
Of course. And for us and what I've studied in the word and over the years is demons main focus is to attack a
human's mind through lies. The Bible says that Satan is the father of lies.
And that's what often compels and then drives people to do things they probably would never do otherwise. I was very
interested in this as a new believer in the Marine Corps to find out why are people so evil? Why did such horrible
things happen to me as a kid? And the only way that I got a solid world view is to understand good and evil exist.
And that is why Christ came to earth and then that through his word and what he said in his death on the cross, we could
be born again. We could be set free uh from our old nature. Not we're made perfect before God, but we still have to
live our life out. And it's not imperfection.
But he gave us all authority. He said, "I give you authority to trample serpents, to cast out demons." And I
actually believe it. So what really put me in that place was my I think my introduction to helping kids who were in
youth prisons who struggled tremendously, oftentimes killed who kids who had killed, murdered, raped,
tortured people. I dealt with some of the most severe um cases and why God put me there, I don't know. He just gave me
a love for them to bring them hope. And it was there that many of them asked for prayer and when I prayed for them, they would often manifest demonic influence
or oppression. And the Lord taught me how to pray with authority. I I go into detail about it. There's a film that we
made that clearly communicates what we believe. Our position is in Christ. our authority is in Christ and how to set
people free. And probably the difference between me and maybe others that you
know have done stuff is there we don't charge people to set them free. We do this out of love. There's no financial
benefit for it, especially kids are incarcerated. But I have over 6,000 letters here in our headquarters of kids
that we've written, we've corresponded back and forth that really were helped in this. So, while I believe in the the
power of Christ and the word of God, and I appreciate the Catholic Church and their hierarchy of who can and can't um
you know, pray for and do exorcisms, um I didn't have access to that and I started dealing with a lot of people and
I have over the years. You bring up Corey and his wife Melody, if you talk to her, she says me praying for her,
which didn't take long. We're talking 10 is the average time of prayer. It's not dramatic. Nobody's hurt
it. It's there's not manifestation. It's just using the power of Christ praying for someone and we love and care for them because that's what Christ
You do say that you can command the demons and that you can speak to the demons and ask the demons what their names are and things of that nature.
Absolutely. It You believe you believe you can do that?
I believe I can do what Christ did and said we would do also. He was the one that spoke directly to demons, told them
where to go. He's the one that asked them their names. Yeah. He He's Christ. Yeah.
40 minutesYeah. And he said, my followers would be able to even do more than me. So, I'll tell you,
uh, I just believe it and we've seen it with thousands of people. And again, there's a film we encourage people to
watch. They can watch it for free. It's the unseen war. And churches use that.
People of all faiths use that to understand that there actually really is power. And I've prayed for people who are believers, non-believers, Muslims.
It doesn't matter. Humanity is under attack to to accept that that's your your philosophy. Uh but you also believe that you can command angels.
I believe that angels are assigned to us and that we can by the authority of Christ command
angels to help us in whatever we're doing. I do believe that in in rooms you and you do this like
prayer circle and you you don't feel weird about doing that and having people you know bend down in front of you and
and say that you'reing demons tell you their names that that feels Yeah. Nobody bends down in front of me.
No one even has to close their eyes when we pray. We record every session on audio or video so that they can have it so there's no miscommunication.
And I don't know, you have to look at the fruit of what happens of people being set free. Like Corby's wife,
Melody, she said she had struggled with thoughts in her mind, negiveness since she was six. And when I prayed for her,
uh, she said she was set free. It saved her life. So, I don't know how that could be so wrong.
I could think of a lot of ways that it could be wrong, but I I didn't want to debate your theology. I just want you to have the opportunity to explain it, which I think you did. Uh, I I do want
to move on now to getting into some Turning Point USA stuff. So I had heard from Turning Point USA people uh that
42 minutesyou also were doing prayers at the headquarters like you had a room where you would conduct some prayers. Is that correct?
I definitely prayed for a couple of people there. Yeah, sure. Including Charlie.
Did you pray over Charlie and Erica Kirk in one of these prayers?
I prayed for Charlie. Yes, I did. He asked me to.
And did you do this sort of a retooling angels demon sort of prayer uh over him and Erica? Just Charlie. He asked me to.
Okay. And they were they gave you an office to do this. Is that right?
Uh I prayed for him in his office and also other people at Turning Point USA outside of Charlie.
I think there were three other people that I prayed for that asked for that. Yeah.
Okay. Uh how did you meet uh Charlie and or Erica?
Um, I was speaking at an event at a small Hispanic church in California and Charlie was scheduled to speak and the pastor asked me last minute uh to speak.
43 minutesI I did and it was before Charlie. He was a little aggravated that there was another speaker before him because it
was a Sunday morning and I I knew about Charlie but never met him. And after I spoke, he spoke and then we met back in
the little makeshift green room and he says, "I've never heard of you, but I'm absolutely uh encouraged to hear your testimony and what God's done in your
life." And he wanted me to have his number and stay connected. So, we did. That's how it started.
And was that when he was already married to Erica or was that a little bit before?
Yes, he he he was already married to Erica.
Did you meet them both at the same time or met her a bit later? No, she was there.
Okay. Somebody at Turning Point uh also conveyed to me, and again, this this could be inaccurate, which is why I'm asking you, that there was this falling out period that you and Charlie did have
a little bit of a falling out. Is that correct?
No. Uh you never had a falling out with Charlie? No.
Okay. That might have been they might have had the wrong information.
And and I I heard or saw that you said he unfollowed me uh or we unfollowed each other. Somebody asked me that in
another interview. I made them open up their phone, go to Instagram, go on Charlie's, and see if he was following me. You can do it right now. He still follows me.
They said it was a period. It was a The person had said it was a period. They weren't saying that it was forever. I was just fig I ask you about that. Yeah. No, we never had a falling out.
Okay. Um so obviously a big question that we have had is uh you were first to post a video that was later on removed
uh saying that Charlie had passed and this video was about an hour and before the president's announcement. Um
it would have been to the you know to the minutes about the time that his family found out that he had passed away um or people that were at the hospital have found out that he had passed away.
So, do you can you explain how you found that out and and why you chose to remove the video?
Well, yeah. I'm I'm first interested to find out why y'all think I was the first or one of the first, you know, to to do
that because um I mean, a rough estimate, there's between 1 to three million pieces of
social media content that are produced every second worldwide. Uh, and you know, my team looked it up. If there's
180 million posts per minute, and let's just say the first , we're talking 54
billion posts in . How could y'all narrow it down? What type of technology could y'all do to narrow down that I was one of the first ones to post that he had passed?
Let's uh let's put it in a context that's easier. uh the first PE person in Charlie's orbit um that announced that
information and when we put it down to the minute it was when Erica found out that Charlie was had passed away. So I was wondering how how that was.
Okay. I I had someone text me and he said my son is at Charlie's event and Charlie was just shot.
Uh and it doesn't look good. Um we went on it. I watched Charlie being shot one
time and my team uh many who are former special operations guys and combat medics, lots of experience, they viewed
it multiple times cuz I wouldn't. And they said Charlie they said Charlie wouldn't live from
that. And I I knew it the fir I knew the only time I saw it I knew there's no way he could have survived that. And when I
made a post and said, you know, Charlie's passed, of course, I know Frank to I know the security teams. I
put it up [snorts] and then I didn't see anybody else posting it. I thought it was premature and I I pulled it down cuz it just felt wrong that I would post it.
But it I wanted people to pray. Uh, and then I contacted Erica through a text and told her
I just told her, "Nobody's going to kill you. You're safe. You and the kids, no one's coming after you. They just wanted
Charlie." And I was just trying to reassure because as a So, you declared he was dead on the basis of people saying it didn't look good.
on the basis of people, myself included, who've had held dead and dying men from combat in horrible situations.
And anybody who saw the killing and has that experience know we knew he was dead instantly.
I struggle with that one a little bit. I I think that's quite audacious for someone to because you did make a post initially saying he had been shot. pray for him and then you did a a follow-up
and then said, you know, Charlie Charlie has passed on and said, "Pray for Erica." So, it just seems like there was some information in the corridor there
that led you to that conclusion. Um, uh, and also in terms of the people who did post early on, I believe Jack Hibbs, uh,
Amir, uh, Safari, I think, I think I'm saying his last name probably incorrectly.
Definitely all a part of that same sort of Turning Point faith orbit of pastors and Jack Hibbs took down a video saying
that actually there was an Israel channel that reported it first and had the information before anybody else. Um, I'm not aware of that.
Yeah. So, I [clears throat] was wondering if you were all perhaps sharing information, but you're saying you just did that by yourself. No information.
Um, well, the first post I made was to ask for prayer and I I knew I just my gut level from watching it, he's not going
to make it. And then, but we believe in prayer and if nothing else, it's going to be for those who are with him, those
who secondary trauma effects of you're supposed to be guarding someone who's killed next. Eric and the kids, the first one we went to.
That's why I text her and said, "You're safe.
They're not going to come for you." Because how terrifying to know someone's just murdered, assassinated your husband. And when I posted the second
time that it had been a little time and I just kind of spoke from my heart regarding it, but but what I don't
understand is why the inquisition on that from you.
Well, because we just wanted to know where the information came from.
Obviously, if we're looking into everything that happened that day, we're going to look at who was the first to announce that Charlie died and you were very early and you removed it also. So,
it was an interesting item that people obviously have questions about. Yeah.
Okay. And then you were among the first to post um you know, obviously you and your wife, actually, maybe it was actually just you in the first two days
50 minutesthat went uh to Erica and Charlie's place to provide her um some comfort. So you were quite close to Erica.
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Uh we brought our team uh immediately uh to help give relief for the first security team who I knew when I was in
contact with and they were suffering trauma and exhaustion. They didn't have a secondary. So yeah, we went there. Uh
of course my bride was with me. uh her and Erica are very very close and we were just standing by to bring comfort
or help. The number one need they had and we felt like it and we were asked to is to provide security uh to give relief. So that's what we did.
Okay. And h just out of curiosity, how did Eileen and Erica get so close?
Um, there's a lot of women that, you know, reach out to my bride for mentorship and
Eileen's like a I don't know, perhaps a second mom to Erica. We we we've been close to them and they still are. They
were texting this week and Erica reaches out and we respond or we reach out and
encourage her. So, yeah, they're they're very close. just sort of became close over the years. Yes.
Okay, great. That just just asking you questions. That's not not trying to speculate anything. I'm just I'm fine.
Trying to understand what the relationship is here because there are a lot of uh themes that keep popping up and one of the things is your involvement in trafficking and charity.
It's a lot of seems to be like a a running theme of a lot of people that are in that orbit. Um, and I wasn't quite clear as to how
you were able to involve yourself, I guess, outside of the military. Maybe you could explain this. Um, you know, in
Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Haiti, in I mean, where else actually could I ask you that? Did you ever go into Eastern
Europe? I feel like there's always a Eastern Europe bend, too.
Yeah. No, not uh physically. We didn't do physical operations there. Uh but how we got involved into it, you know, my
time in the Marine Corps uh was I served under President Reagan. Uh my wife and I started a ministry, all things possible, many many years ago, couple of decades.
Before that, I worked for Dr. James Doson as an assistant. Um and we initially got into this aspect or space
of ministry to help kids who were abused and suffered many who were incarcerated which was often a a pathway for them to
follow um because of crime and and mental health issues. We were invited, first I was invited to go to Burma by
Dave Eubank, who I consider kind of the the godfather of high-risisk missions work. And he raised his children in
Burma, uh, Thailand, but they did missions work for they still do for decades. Uh, but it was me going there,
experiencing what we did, seeing things at a whole different level. Um, and then I got invited to go to Iraq when ISIS invaded.
And the purpose was and we had an invitation by the Kurdistan government.
We had access placement and an official invitation to go in to help those who had been held captive by ISIS. I brought
in partial psychology team, partial security team because ISIS was everywhere and we needed to provide our
own security. We went there the first time in 2015, the early part, and it's a very hot zone. We thought that would be
it, Candace. We just thought we'd go in and help. uh we saw the the enormous amount of IDPs and you know which are uh
displaced persons because of ISIS having to flee cities and the number of kids and it was actually through my wife
helping a girl who had been held captive and this girl told Eileen she said you really care about all of our sisters.
she was a Yazidi and she refers to all the girls still being held captive and she says yes and the girl pulled out a
phone gave it to my wife and said this is from ISIS email in the house I was held captive and I hope it helps y'all
find more and actually she had asked for my wife's she kept looking at my wife's watch before that um there's a picture
of it it's it's actually very beautiful and my wife said do you like my watch and she said Yes. She goes, "Well, you can have it." And she gave it to her.
And that was the first of many times going into the region and many missions to help those. We didn't plan. It wasn't
our focus to rescue women and children at all. It was our focus to help those who've [clears throat] been traumatized in
these IDP camps, which some had 30,000 people in them, but they were lacking basic necessities. for women and girls.
55 minutesThey were lacking what? We provided dignity kits for personal hygiene. We provided food, we provided water, we
started providing uh surgeries as our donations came in. And never did we take any governmental funding. To this day,
we haven't. Everything that we've done has been documented. And I think some people who doubt the authenticity of what we do, they simply have to go to
YouTube and watch it. We've documented some of the doubt comes from the fact that people were not able to locate any of these like 45 I think the number you
you claim is 45,000 uh kids and women that you've rescued.
Um and 40 45,000 is that what you told Sean Ryan? 45,000 I think was the number.
Have you ever read or heard me say we've rescued 45,000 women or children?
I think we we played the clip. I might be wrong, but 45,000 I think was the number. Uh, producers, you can remind me, but I think for I think I heard you say 45,000 in a clip.
You have to be very specific. Yeah. On the Shawn Ryan show.
Yeah. It was not rescued. Nowhere, including the Shawn Ryan show, have I ever declared
in writing or verbally that I ever rescued 45,000 women and children.
That's absolutely Do you guys think you could pull that clip?
Yeah. I'm I'm going to have the producers pull I'm pretty sure you said 45,000. Yeah, just play the clip in context.
Yeah. Do you want to Do you guys want to play that? If is there a way I'm just trying to see if we can get the producers to pull it so I don't Yeah, they'll they'll they'll pull that. I'm
pretty sure you said 45,000. So, are you saying you didn't rec rescue 45,000 people?
Well, what I'm saying is I've never me said or written or our organization ever declared we rescued 45,000. We've helped. We've provided trauma relief.
And some we've definitely rescued because it's part of what we do. Our mission statement for All Things Possible Ministries is to set captives
free physically, emotionally, and spiritually. And we stay within the confines of our mission. And we're very successful in what we do. But we
document it in a way that uh if people simply go to our YouTube channel, they can see it. If they go back, they can watch the history of our social media.
Nothing is How many people How many people would you say you've rescued? Because maybe we're maybe we're parsing here. You're
saying freed you freed people. Rescued people. How many people would you say that you have rescued? Just to get a number from you. Well, we would never
declare the total number of people we've rescued for both security and safety reasons, but we're happy to say that many many have [clears throat] been set
free and rescued in multiple places from uh ISIS is where we got the most uh I
think people started recognizing that because of how high risk it was. Uh my wife and I, the last mission we were on,
we rescued, that was a rescue of a mom who had been held captive 9 years. She was kidnapped as a teenager, had two children inside of captivity of ISIS.
And we planned a mission for 6 months, executed in 5 days. It's documented. And she is back home with her family. Uh
unfortunately, her dad passed away while she was in captivity. And we never told the family we were going to attempt a rescue because of the hardship it would
cause if we weren't able to do it. But Eileen, my bride, was the point person, uh, the first person to to meet her um,
when we were doing this. That's documented as well. And we show pictures and videos of the mom and the kids in
our safe house inside of Iraq. I think one of the things that makes people really uncomfortable with a lot of these uh couples to involve themselves in
rescuing and and trafficking operations and charity is that we do hear this repeat thing where you say, "Well, it
59 minuteswould compromise their safety if we told you where they went." Um, and that makes us have to trust you, right? And and
trust that you're an honest person and that you're an honest dealer and that you're in fact rescuing them and not, you know, maybe holding them in captivity yourself. Yeah.
[clears throat]
I think um you know, I have some questions about your character. I think that you say that you're in this business and
that you do everything. And the people that say you're not that person are all troubled. For example, the young woman that you said you rescued from a pedophile who says another story and she
she makes the claim that she believes that you're a part of the trafficking um bring. How is it possible for people to
be able to prod that narrative if you can always just claim well the people that we help need privacy? I mean, that would be that would be a perfect setup for like Jeffrey Epstein, right? I mean,
if you just want to traffic people and then say, well, you know, we can't tell you where these people are because we we got to protect their
identity and we've got to protect everything about them.
1 hourCandace, I think that's not a bad question because there are no doubt and
there's no doubt in my mind that there are organizations that are actually traffickers that pose as counter
trafficking. We've been doing this for gosh many years and we work by with law
enforcement in other countries. We still work through government agencies. Um uh
and the best way to prove the authenticity of claims is two ways or three if you want to go all the way.
One is people who've been on the mission, credible individuals. I have quite a list of operators who've done
security work, intelligence gathering part, who either still have or did have the highest level of clearance in the US
that worked for the CIA or joint task force or Delta. It this this is not
1 minutesomething that people winch at uh because we have a history of high credibility and integrity. The second I
would say is the is the biggest trafficking organization in the world. That's not a vote of confidence, right?
So, if you say, "I did it with the CIA or the IDF," I go, "Yeah, well, so did Jeffrey Epstein," right? Um, so that doesn't I don't think that that like
saying I do it for the government doesn't lend credibility.
Well, let me clarify. I don't disagree with your statement.
There are very corrupt governments and I work for none of them. I work around the governments, but I've never been paid by
any of them. When I say CIA, I'm talking about former men and women who have worked for the agency and bring a set of
skill sets uh that are trustworthy for us. And the third way would be the
actual victims themselves. Um we we just got a video from Southeast Asia. I
didn't ask for. But one of our safe houses there, they were so hurt and disgusted by the false allegations
against me. And it's only happened since I've entered the political realm, which is a completely different beast. Uh, but
they made a video and sent it. I couldn't even watch it all cuz it was victims that we had saved and helped.
And they're sending a video to try to prove to the naysayers that of course
what he's saying is real. And that's on our social media. People can watch that.
It's either AI or a bunch of people that are paid. And we've been doing this far too long and with far too much
integrity. And if I was doing anything nefarious, believe me, we would have already got in trouble for it. But we're
not. The other one is if you just come, if you ever, Candace Owens, if you ever say, "I want to go to the Middle East
and meet people and see firsthand what you've done." If you'll accept the risk, I'll give you my word that you can be on
a team. We'll take you there and we'll introduce you as long as you sign an NDA and make sure you don't reveal some of
our network because we still do the work. If you want to go to Southeast Asia, we you can bring a camera. We'll
introduce you to one of our safe houses and see the work that we do. It's just we've always kept things closer to our
vest. We've raised our own support and the most important thing that has helped us is prayer because we have been able
to do things that people said could never be done. So, uh that's the point I'm making regarding this aspect. Now,
regarding Holly, the young lady that you brought up in Canada, you know what?
Everything we said about her is true. Everything we did is true.
Um, and here's what I would say to people like yourself. Uh, and I haven't
heard you accuse us of doing anything to Farius. You only repeat what others say.
But regarding Holly, this is what I'd say to anybody.
Has anyone talked to Holly's mother or her father?
If you haven't talked to their mother, her mother or father, then you haven't done the very basics of investigative
work. Two, we met with an HSI, human trafficking specialist at the border who
approved us to get through from Canada to the US and gave her temporary status.
Three, we brought in law enforcement both here and in Texas where we were keeping her. Four, we documented
everything. And five, the very point couple in Canada that was our I would say our agents of hope up there have
video that they just posted yesterday of Holly telling the truth about what we did to
help her. And look, I've had those videos, but I've never put them out since they reached out to Holly. And it
wasn't Holly that reached out. It was hottie's pedophile who groomed this girl since she was 13, had sex with her at
15. She is a sadly a very damaged individual. They've already had a child.
And I'm telling you, the people who have platformed her pedophile on the conservative radio station here, uh, they're going to be
held accountable because they've revictimized this girl. She has Stockholm syndrome. She hasn't been
posting. The last thing they did and I was told that these folks here who are trying to discredit me, Candace, told
her if you and Les will sue Victor force, you know, try to get him for trafficking, you'll be able to make millions.
So, so Victor, an easy question for you. Have you ever done anything wrong?
Of course. But in what context? just in your ministries, in these relationships that you've had with people um that
claim that they find you to be manipulative and abusive, you have you ever done anything wrong, Candace? I'm human. I've I've messed up
plenty, but in the air of integrity, I've I've never intentionally gone after anybody. I've never manipulated,
maligned, or or try to do things for money. So, yeah. I mean, watch my film,
read one of my two books. I talk about plenty of self-evident, you know, ways
that I depend on the grace of God. But I don't know if it's that hard to believe that somebody that came from my
background who feel like I've been given a second chance in life. My goal as a kid growing up was to become the man
that I wish somebody would have been to help save me. and I turn around and God redeems my life for a greater good. What's so hard to believe about that?
That I made right choices. I didn't have to end up in prison. Yeah. I struggled with drug abuse as a kid. I I struggled
with my temper early on of which I told people. I would about once a year I'd punch or kick a hole in the wall. That
was many years ago. I told people I was under psychiatric care 123 visits to a trauma specialist. Why wouldn't I? after
the abuse that I went through which was severe and torture. My life is a redeemed life. Never do I claim to be perfect. But my passion is I love people
because I'm loved by God. And I don't know why. Only since I've come into this space of running for governor has all
hell broke loose. And I think people are just looking into your background and they have some questions about, you know, uh it just seems a little bit fantastical your
relationships with the IDF. Um, I I mean personally, do you want to talk about that?
Uh, well, I think you've been honest about your relationship with the IDF. I think you've just said that you you have relationships with them. Obviously, you went on Charlie Kirk show after October
7th. You've said you foster relationship with them. I'm not saying nothing was nothing was said. Just to be clear that was illegal about your relationship with
them. There was nothing said that was implied that you did anything.
Ask me what I did with the IDF. Ask me so I can tell you. Why don't you ask me what I did with the IDF? Why did I go to Israel?
After October 7th, we played the clip on our show when you were on Charlie Kirk's show. Do you know what I did there, Candace?
I can say what you said on the Charlie Kirk show that you went there after Octo October 7th to uh be able to tell the story of what had happened there um and
to separate propaganda. People would say it was propaganda, correct? But yeah, so we showed that. Well, let let me tell
you, we helped 6,000 children who had been affected by the war between Hamas and Israel. And it was because we had
access places and an invitation that we were able to go into these places. Who invited you?
Uh, a nonprofit that was based inside of Israel who was a special forces IDF guy who's followed us for years. We we got
invited in and you know the first question I asked him when I'm in kibutas with blood and gore everywhere I said
why didn't the government respond what happened and my friends who lived there said two things Victor one we were
unprepared and we underestimated our enemy I said how long did it take for the government to send reinforcements it was six hours.
Six hours. I asked every fighter, "Why? Why didn't they respond and help y'all?
Why did they leave y'all here fighting?
10 minutesWhy did so many women and children have to get killed? How come they didn't respond? No one has an answer. And
someone should be held accountable for that because I'm not there to back Israel. I'm not there to back Palestinian folks. I'm there for women
and children. and we put our life on the line to help over 6,000. I went into the West Bank and yes, I did go into Gaza by
virtue of these special operations teams, not to shoot, not to kill, not to kick doors in. I went to pray and we help Palestinian kids who had been
injured as well. This is who we are. And anything other than is just ridiculous.
We handed out lion and lambs. What do you think about what Israel is doing uh in Palestine at the moment?
Well, I know this. I know amazing amazing IDF fighters. I know amazing people who are protecting their homeland.
11 minutesI love children on both sides of it. And I've been with great warriors. We've
helped. We've helped. But I don't and I can't say that I fully trust the leadership and judgment of a [snorts]
government that waited six hours. Six hours to send reinforcement. It's a 20minut flight by helicopter.
It's a 45minut drive to send troops down there. The reasons they said I still don't know. And I was told by everybody there'll be an investigation afterwards.
But I know this.
I think it was to establish the pretext for what they did in Gaza. I'm just asking, you've expressed that you and your wife care deeply about women and children. We do.
And you can see the footage of what they have done to Gaza since. So, I'm asking you, it's it's horrific. While we were there, while we were there on the Israeli side,
we had over 2,000 rockets launched at us. How are they still firing rockets? I said from the beginning, no, I don't mean Israel as a victim. I'm
saying now I think the victim has flipped obviously uh in terms I think innocent people on both side
paid a price uh paid a horrible price but do you believe what's happening in Gaza is is a genocide
I would say this it has turned into a genocide but the question I have to ask and you should be asking too why didn't
Hamas stop firing rockets when we were there doing humanitarian work there There was over 2,000 rockets fired at us
in the areas that we were at. It was non-stop. I said this from the beginning. I put it online. I was on
Fox. I said Hamas needs to stop firing rockets in the beginning. Stop firing.
Return the hostages. Return them. And then there'll be a ceasefire. Work out something they never did.
And that's the question. Look, I love Palestinians. I love the people. I've helped kids, women, I love them. And to
see people innocently slaughtered because of a terrorist group, Hamas, that continues to attack Israel. What are you going to do?
Well, I think the terrorist group now might be the IDF, right? Because what's happening in Gaza? I don't think that that's done by people who are not terrorists. I mean, I don't Have you
seen the videos of what's coming out of there?
I saw the videos as they're walking. I It's horrible.
Yeah, it's horrible. Guess what? I do want to show you by the way your website said that you rescued 45,000 people. I just
want to show you that this is well the old website is this did this get changed but a marine a pastor
this is I don't know who changed this maybe you had somebody doing your website and that got changed did you have somebody make the website for you?
I I I can't it says a high-risisk humanitarian who has rescued more than 45,000 women and children.
That's completely inaccurate. I would have never What website is that? It's victor2026.com.
Uh, we never anybody they're saying that that was on our website. I don't believe that. We would
never put rescued 45,000. Never. Okay. I don't know what to say.
Yeah. that it's it's just you know when it it will still save former edits on a website. So it may have just been your website guy got something wrong. So I
just wanted to let you know that we didn't uh we didn't Okay. Thank you.
Yeah. Okay. Um okay. So that is very interesting to hear your perspectives on um what Israel is doing. I think it's
probably going to be a number one issue and I think right now currently people feel that the majority of the politicians have sold out to Apac and I
would definitely have some you know questions about your relationship with the IDF and like I said Corby did not say that you did anything illegal by you
know you if you are legally allowed to never did I ask never did I ask Corey
Corby for 50,000 weapons for idea why I have an FFL I only buy stuff for ourel for our
training. That's ridiculous. That's absurd. And again, Corby's still loose out there. And if he's watching, Corby,
please turn yourself in to some authorities. Let them question you. And like I said from the beginning, please get help. Don't act upon the thoughts you're hearing.
So, I'm sorry. Are are you presenting that he's on the run right now from the federal government? Because that's a that's a remarkable claim.
Yeah. I'm not saying he's on the run, but I'm saying that we the authorities are looking for him to question him.
They tried to call him.
Uh I I guess I don't know. It's both the FBI and El Paso County start. They're looking for someone to just call them, right?
Well, I'm sure they I'm sure they have.
Why? It's an open investigation, but I'm just saying Corby should just stop whatever he's doing and respond to authorities to get this sorted out.
What? You don't know if they've reached out to him, but you're saying he should stop and respond?
I I do not know. They've contacted me and said, "Do you know where he is? Do you know where he would be?" And I'm like, "I do not."
So, just to go back, just so you know, the way that you said it in the first time, you made it kind of sound like he was on the run from authorities, right?
Turn yourself in. Sounds like when you say turn yourself in, it sounds like there's a warrant for your arrest. So, this is this is what I think that sometimes you can get, you don't maybe
don't realize it, but you you can get a little fantastical in your descriptions.
Corby, stop what you're doing and turn yourself in is a little bit different from, oh, I have no idea if they're reaching out to him, but I was told they might give him a call. Right? So, that's
a little more reasonable of a statement to make.
Well, let let me make it very clear. The FBI has contacted us. It's an open investigation and El Paso County
Sheriff's Department. They are looking for Corby. Plain and simple. He should stop what he's doing and contact them or
turn himself in to local authorities wherever he is so he can be questioned.
You don't have to turn yourself in if there's not a warrant for your arrest.
Respectfully, like that's not how that works. If they just have to call them, I think that's a perfect place to leave that. Let's not pretend. If you said there was a warrant for his arrest,
that'd be a little different. But you are not required in in any of the 50 states to turn yourself in because somebody says, "Okay, we're gonna we're gonna try to make some
contact with this person. You have not said that he's not answering." I just want to I want to stay away from the fantastical stories and the narratives
and just stick to the facts. Like I said, I've heard that there's an open investigation into you and has something to do with guns. I don't know. But I I
wouldn't just assert things. We could say stop what you're doing and turn yourself in because somebody got a phone call.
That's a that's a complete fabrication. I work with fabrication.
Okay. Well, we'll leave that alone. Um, so that accusations against you said if
someone said they were going to kill you and they told somebody how, would you want that person to talk to the law enforcement?
I just I have no evidence of that. And I like I said some of your stories just a perfect example is what you just did there. You say stop and turn yourself in.
Platformed Corby. Obviously this is a little bit more and I am platforming you right now actually. So here we go.
Yeah. But you I have I've done nothing wrong. If anything I've That's just incredibly sarcastic.
[clears throat]
Yeah, I was being sarcastic. I I find you to be arrogant and off-putting actually. Um It was a little bit of sarcasm of me basically pointing to the
fact that you you come across as very arrogant and it's it is offputting um that you make statements like you make.
Stop what you're doing and turn yourself up. You're constantly presenting yourself like you're some sort of an authority. You can just deliver the facts. I received a phone call from this person. They said they might be looking
for him and I don't know where that went since. That would be a logical non. It's completely appropriate for me
to say law enforcement is looking for an individual who confessed to someone who platformed him on your show connected
y'all that he is homicidal and he wants to kill me and this is how he's going to do it. The same way that Charlie was killed.
If I believe that the feds would need you to help look for him if that were true. They do have resources. Um, but
like I said, I also don't believe that you beheaded a cat when you were three because kids are not that strong and that's a hard thing to do. I don't
believe you wore a cat head. Um, because you know, there's a lot of things that you say that I don't believe. So, I'm just going to pile it under.
But I will tell you, be very careful in minimizing someone who's been victimized, including children, because
there are millions of us out there. I I I do not believe I do not believe the story that you were forced to behead a cat and it was your first You don't have to.
I just But be very careful minimizing and wore a hat. I don't believe that. I I I I truly don't. And that is not to victimize children. I do think that what
you're actually doing is you're being emotionally manipulative by saying, "Oh, if you don't believe me, then you don't believe victims." No, I I believe things that sound believable uh because I have
a logical, rational brain and I I have But yet you've never been victimized.
you never shooting and murdering people and the sheriff's department uh not wanting to figure out who that is or not knowing where it happened. A lot of it
does not does not ring true to me. And like I said, I did enough due diligence to speak to your relatives and they say that it's not true. Um you haven't done your presenting it as though they're protecting the abuser.
I I just am telling you the basics. How about we introduce you crimes? I would say this. We can
introduce you to international well you're not. It doesn't matter. What I would say is this. The international crimes against children. Let us introduce you to detectives that
actually work on child abuse cases and have one conversation with them to see what's really real. I don't. I'm sorry.
You don't have to. I'm not saying you have to, but I'm saying don't minimize people who've been victimized as children. That is I'm not I'm talking about you directly.
So you you don't have to make you don't have the universal one that represents millions. Candace, I I I don't think you represent
millions, Victor Marks. I I really struggle and I I actually am hopeful that you don't represent millions. I want to be I want to have a hopeful picture of the future of
There are millions that follow me that suffer abuse and that's why our films, our books, that's why me telling my story encourages and gives them hope.
That's as simple as that. We'll never stop doing that. Whether you believe it or not, that's not the point here. The point is uh to say that I didn't suffer
abuse the way I'm saying.
I'm not saying you didn't suffer some form of abuse. I'm saying you didn't. That's horrible.
I don't I don't believe you were a beheaded catad after you beheaded. I just I don't believe that. If that's okay, if we can just agree to disagree on that one.
Um just a lot of the mechanisms there just don't make sense to me. the you should talk to IAC detectives, people
work on sex crimes against children and kids who are abused and murdered. There was a kid here four years old that was beat to death. Every bonus are beat to death.
Yes, that's right.
Absolutely. Wait, but if he was beat to death, he wasn't there, right? Pardon me?
There was a kid that you said was there at your house then and then he got beat to death.
No, here in Colorado recently, a four-year-old was beat to death by a caregiver. Four years.
Yeah, that happens all across the nation. That's a believable story.
That's right. And do you think they never suffer any type of torment or torture before that or is it just an act?
They would struggle to believe that a three-year-old beheaded a cat and then had to wear it on their head. I I just would I struggle with that one if that's okay.
The cat was dead.
I didn't think it was alive after it was beheaded. I mean, I don't think whether or not the cat was alive.
Study voodoo. Candace, do a short study in voodoo and understand voodoo voodoo rituals against boys. If you go deep
enough, you'll you'll see how twisted it is. I'm not here to glorify darkness at all. Uh that's not my point. My point is
that we bring life and hope and maybe some things that even you don't believe that happened to me as a child motivate me to help kids over these last 40 years, which is documented and provable.
I don't know why you feel you're the person who has to uh but maybe I do now because you just said it. If you lived in Colorado, you wouldn't vote for me.
So maybe you're getting paid by somebody to discourage a vote toward me, which is the only reason anybody. I actually removed myself
all all together after Charlie got killed. I'm not anybody.
But you didn't remove yourself because you just made a statement. So, uh, no, I said I don't live in Colorado, so it's it's not there's no consequence.
You you you told people not to vote.
Yeah, I will be I I will own that. I have many times since the Charlie Kirk assassination um and the lies
surrounding his assassination have said, well, thanks for leaning into uh trying to dis suade people for voting for me
and discredit me as a child uh who was abused. I I've given plenty of time. was supposed to be . Do you have any follow-up questions that cuz I do have to end this.
Thank you very much for your time. I wanted to make sure that I provided you equal time uh to be able to answer some of the questions. I think you did clarify some things. I don't think anyone will ever forget that you served
for three years. I won't. I will make sure everybody knows that from here all the way to Colorado, this man served for three years.
Um and I think that's a thank you for your your service to this country. You're welcome.
It's a great place to end. Thank you so much for joining us.
Thank you, Candace. All right, you guys. We will be right back after a brief break and I'll answer some of your questions. All right, you guys.
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Chapter 4: Comments.
Man, I just a lot there's just a lot that could be said there. Uh, and I'm sure you guys have a lot of comments about that. A lot of cat jokes that could probably be written after this.
Um, first and foremost, let's go through our top comments from yesterday's episode. First, Adriana Gomez came in with, "Whenever something is a miss, I think it should be referenced to as
nef." [laughter] It's neff is a great way of putting things. Blaky nef. Here we're at 47 days. Blakey, here's my take. wrote,
"I really want to hear from Charlie's parents. You and I both, and I think the entire world would love to hear from them. Um, like I've said in previous
episodes, I do know that they are in fact in a deep state of grief. Um, and I will just leave it at that. Won't say how um I' I've just heard some things
and I I know that they are acting in a way that some people might have thought his widow might have acted following his death." All right, let's get into some
comments from today's episode. We have Terrell writes, "Men like this are the reason I started reading the Bible recently." Yeah. I mean, I think in
regards to him talking about his faith, he is sort of like the faith is mine. I I have the Bible. I can make it what I want. It's one of the flaws that I find
in Protestantism is that it becomes my truth very quickly and anybody can interpret every verse as they want and they can make it a bumper sticker or you
can believe like that you can do exactly what Christ does and you can summon demons and angels into a room. So that's interesting. Natty Nicole writes, "As a
vet, I am dying laughing dying laughing at him crying about his time in service.
What a joke." Yeah. I was like, I really think people who serve are a little tougher than that. They could just answer the question. Like we weren't trying to diss them. I said two years. I
think we they thought it was four years and we said two and he's like, "You don't even know how to read this form." And it's like, "Well, all right. Three
years, man. It's all you." Cat Babatches writes, "Christ has been my savior since 1982. Since then, I have had a gift of
discernment. This man is evil, and he may know Christ, but I'm sure Christ will say to him one day, I never knew you. depart from me. Um, the Gospel of
Matthew. Absolutely. Julia writes, "Army veteran of 10 years of service here. Not offended. I'm offended that he was begging for an apology. We served to
defend our country. I thought feeling hurt over one last year is wild. Great job holding your ground. Proud of you as always." Anytime somebody's like demanding apology. I just find it to be
weird. Like, why would you want an apology if I don't actually if I'm not sorry? It's just it's just like a weird power move. Say sorry to me. It's like not your kid, man.
[laughter]
I'm not your kid. We will not be demanding any apologies out of me. Um I don't owe you an apology. It was an
honest mistake and you do come off like a crybaby. Um for taking it that personally. Alaska dog lady writes, "No,
he did not dare call us T-Mu TMZ. This man is unstable. Christ have mercy on our ears. I'm going to have to tell my priests that I will chill." Yeah, he
did. He called us Teimu TMZ. And I think TMZ is pretty timu. So that ain't good for us or something. But like you could see he just sort of like had that ready to go and then kept saying it and it was
just weird. It just made me feel like it was a bit childish to be honest. Munos writes, "I am no body language interpreter, but Victor seems incredibly
uncomfortable. Lying makes people naturally uncomfortable. He just kind of strikes me as someone who's used to
talking a lot. He doesn't listen a lot, but he's used to just speaking all the time and letting people and people believe him." And you can see that actually when we were watching some of
the clips of him on stage. He actually probably would have crushed it as a comedian. Um, you know, he's got good timing and he just believes everything
that he says. He's not used to being challenged and you can see that it sends him into a rage. Like when he said, "Oh, like I had to work. I used to punch holes in walls." I'm like, I feel like
you still need to work on your temper because you just came here thinking that you were going to direct the conversation on my show. Um, doesn't work like that. Actually, it's my show.
K. Jordan writes, "The gaslighting is insane. and him knowing Charlie was dead as soon as he saw the video, but calling for prayer that then announcing he's dead. Yeah, that part made no sense. I
didn't buy it, but allowed him to say that he's tell it in the way that he wanted to. Uh, you continue with prayers to St. Michael the Archangel. Please
stay safe, Candace. I do that prayer every single day. It just it's a powerful prayer. I really do believe it is. TNT writes, "Tell me that you've
never helped an abuse victim without saying that you've never helped an abuse victim." asking someone on a live show if they've ever been abused, obviously
expecting a no answer. The truth is not in him. I You could just see the way that he's kind of like, if you question
me, you're questioning all abuse victims. It's like, no, most abuse victims don't say that they beheaded a cat when they were three. Um, and I'm able to compartmentalize that. That that
to me, as I said to him, felt like an emotionally manipulative tactic. Like, I now represent. He said that he's like Trump. And Trump's like, I am MAGA. He's like, "I am abuse victims." Nobody.
You're not. Um, everybody knows people that have been abused and I've never seen people behave like that, like they are the authority on abuse. And again,
your character comes across when you speak. He didn't represent himself well at all and he had the platform to. Uh, Sport Nano writes, "We stand with CO.
Thank you very much." Uh, Sev Games a lot writes, "Candace, can you please give a shout out to the free Wendy Williams movement?" Yeah, I I should
look into I I know a bit about that. We have not covered it on the show, but it is crazy to think that a bank can just step in and take over your entire life.
We got to just start using cash again, guys. We got to get out of this system.
Wait till they bring in like chips and digital digital IDs want inserted into our arms. They've got quite a dystopian
uh vision for the future. Minnesota Lizzy writes, "Hey Candace, I look back and Charlie Kirk did say that his daughter's favorite song is Jolene by
Dolly Parton." Hm. I'm thinking replace the female name and it could be about mom.
Truth prevail, right? You definitely have a lot of patience for dealing with this guy. As a veteran myself, no offense taken at all. Victor is gaslighting and he's also a narcissist.
He can't even answer a question without being belligerent. Yeah, he's that's the that is the perfect adjective for him.
He's belligerent. Um and I don't think he's aware that he's belligerent. I think he thinks he's calm and he thinks it's a rational thing to get all like
bent out of shape about how many years of service as if we meant it as a diss. Like it's just like I don't know, man.
It's not my life. We're happy to correct it and just move on. And he's like, "No, this is where I'm going to crush you.
This shows you're a disinformation platform. You said two, it was three." It's a weird thing to be hung up about.
Uh, and I always have a lot of patience with dealing with people uh, who I just see right through. And that to me, that whole act is just someone who likes to
be in control but hasn't even managed controlling his own emotions. The listening doctor writes, "I am a medical doctor and I will tell you that abused
people abuse others. It is true, but murder and animal abuse is another level. This man is dangerous and he is normalizing his behavior and making
abused people look bad." That is a very good point.
And that's kind of what I I think I was trying to get at with him. I don't know if I was as eloquent as I could have been in saying that this is different.
You're talking about like killing an animal and wearing an animal on your head. Like that's not standard abuse.
That's like Jeffrey Dmer like when we like see somebody who has a trait for a serial killer and so they
usually say abused animals in their youth and then went on to become a serial killer when they were older. I don't like that background and I don't I
just everything about that like I murdered a man when I was seven and like I had to deal with that and everything's fine now and we don't know where the body is. Like oh so you didn't know where you lived. You drove around somewhere. You don't know where you
were. As I said, I spoke to his direct relatives and they said it's just not true. Like that's just not something that wouldn't have come up. They were
close to him. So, I guess he says he has a sister not on his stepfather's side of the family who can confirm that they
experienced abuse. I'm sure uh abuse has many many names. There are people who think they're abused when somebody sends them a mean text message. We can be
talking about verbal abuse, parents that shout and scream all the time. Uh, and then you you're talking about this
level, this rarely unlocked level of abuse where you're saying you had to murder people before you were seven and
behead a cat and wear its head and then said something about voodoo traditions which I know nothing about and I'm interested in how he knows. Well, he's spending some time in Haiti.
Maybe I'll have to figure it out. The listening doctor write I'm sorry that was you. Sarah Bryan writes, "Clusively, I pray for you, Candace. If I ever was
lucky enough to have a daughter, I certainly would like her to be just like you, honest, loving, and caring about others. I know in my heart that you will find answers about Charlie. I worry
about the fact that these are the people that Charlie surrounded himself with. I worry about the fact that Charlie was even prayed over by someone like Victor
Marks. don't find him to be. I said the many fantastical pastors that are around him and none of them feel godly to me.
They do all feel like they think they're gods in their own personal capacity. And that's what you kind of get. He's like, I read the Bible, so now I'm God and I can do everything God can do. Did you see it's right here in the B Bible?
Don't you believe in the Bible? Well, I'm here to interpret it for you and tell you what I can do. That is someone that you should run from. And uh Charlie
was immersed in this world from Turning Point USA. Faith found him to be a little reticent to discuss much about, you know, kind of leaving Erica out of
the story. Charlie was already married to her. She was the one who was driving home Turning Point Faith. In fact, Charlie said as much on stage in Aspen,
notorious Aspen trip. Charlie said when he mentioned Turning Point USA Faith that like his wife does a lot of work for Turning Point USA Faith. That was
her thing. Um, and that would make sense as to why she was very close with Eileen Marx. Don't find any of this to be
coincidental. Uh, he is exactly what I thought he would be. So, what are we to make of his proximity to Turning Point
USA? If we can discern that after me talking to him for an hour, why can nobody at Turning Point USA pick up on
that? Who's giving him an office? Who's telling him to pray over Charlie? Who's the person in Charlie's ear saying you can trust this guy? I think it's Erica.
I I think it was Erica who brought these people around and pushed Charlie to have relationships with them. That's my viewpoint. A lot of things changed uh
when Erica came into the picture and I I would argue not for the better in terms of the faith department. Anyway, uh if you'd like to support our show and the
work that we do, we have new merch available on the website uh candace.com.
You can head there. It's the easiest way to support our show. Contrary to what he says, we are not funded by any political packs or parties. As you guys know, we
are exclusively funded by you and our advertisers. There is nobody else.
There's no outside countries and certainly uh no politicians that we're doing work for. We um we think you're weird for free.
We think you're arrogant for free, Victor.
Anyway, we are way over time. We will see you guys tomorrow.
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Re: Charlie Kirk Murder and TPUSA Insider Gossip

Postby admin » Fri May 22, 2026 5:49 am

Baron Coleman And Zach Costello EXPOSE What Really Happened To Charlie Kirk!!
by Zach Costello
May 21, 2026

In this clip from the Zach Costello Show, Zach discusses with Baron Coleman about what they believe actually happened to Charlie Kirk.

Since the incident, many details have been released pertaining to the event and Zach and Baron take the time to use put the pieces together. The media and even some of Charlie's closest friends seem to be pushing an agenda that doesn't line up with the evidence, however Zach and Baron believe to have a better understanding of what took place that day.



Transcript

We know he didn't have a heart attack.
We know he didn't have a stroke. Um there was a loud bang. His neck opened up and he lost a tremendous quantity of blood. There only so many things that
could cause that. One would be a gunshot. And I think that that's where most people went because typically when we hear a loud bang and we see a hole
open up in someone's body, that's where our mind goes. We don't go to bomb because bomb in our mind is like an IED.
It blows off legs. It blows off arms. It it it turns you into a pink mist. It blows cars up. We don't think of bombs as microbombs
uh or or shaped bombs that could do limited damage.
So you have to decide between gunshot, bomb, or both.
Meaning uh there was a gunshot and a bomb. There was only a gunshot or there was only a bomb. It's got to be one of
those two. So that's the how. When you talk gunshot, we're only offered one rifle and that's a 3006.
1 minuteNow we know what type of ammo that rifle had. It was Remington Springfield 3006 metal jacket load with a lead core. That
that round cannot cause the wound we saw open up in Charlie, the left side of Charlie's neck. It cannot. The angle of the shot that allegedly was taken from
the Losi center cannot produce that wound. It cannot. the activity that took place under his shirt, a road microphone
taking a hard turn across to his sternum, a necklace shooting up towards his neck, uh the shirt puffing out in
the back down his arms. None of that is consistent with being shot in the neck.
None of it. I find it interesting we have not uh taken a closer look at the shirt and we've not been provided the
evidence that would show what happened to the shirt because if there's a hole in the shirt, he was not shot in the neck. Period. End of story. I think if the shirt was examined or the footage
was examined, we probably will find a small hole near the collar of Charlie's shirt based on everything that took place under the shirt. That hole would
be dispositive to me. That hole would eliminate a gunshot. We would be looking at a localized event under his shirt, under the tent.
Um, there are very few angles that appear to show that hole. Uh, and you can't tell if it's a shadow, if it's a blood
splatter. You can't really tell what it is, but there were 8K cameras feet away from him, positioned right on his face, right on his head that were
shooting in in in all likelihood very high quality. Those cameras, if they show a hole in the collar of a shirt, that is dispositive. We are no longer
looking at a gunshot. So, as we talk about the 30 6, as we talk about Tyler Robinson, we now can rule out Tyler
Robinson entirely. If it's not a 30 six, he is no longer a suspect. If there's a hole in the shirt, we can rule out any firearm whatsoever.
Now, we've got to figure out what took place under the shirt. Even if we can't find the hole in the shirt, the shirt's been thrown away. It was cut apart. It was damaged. It was torn open. And we we're not able to determine the hole.
The video footage, for whatever reason, didn't capture the shirt at just the right angle, at just the right frame.
And we can't tell whether there's a hole there or not. We're still left with what happened under the shirt to cause the road microphone. And I I should have gotten one out. I didn't know we were
going to talk about this. I have those road microphones. I have the Go. He had the Go One, but they're the same size.
They're basically the same thing. I have the exact same metal clip. The clip I use is the clip he had. So, I can demonstrate it on this t-shirt. This
t-shirt's black. It wouldn't do very well, but um you have something caused that road microphone to come all the way over to the middle of his body. A
gunshot here does not cause your shirt to go this way. We also have his necklace. I I have this St. Thomas Moore
metal, but it's it's it's a similar length. I think this is a 24in chain. He was wearing a 26-in chain. this thing shoots up
into the left side of his neck and lifts his shirt up. That is not consistent with a with a bullet wound. So, the fact
that we don't have Tyler Robinson, we don't have an injury consistent with a 306. We have a shirt doing at least two things, and we haven't even talked about
the gas escape yet, uh, but gas apparently escaping out of his back, gas escaping out of his his right sleeve.
Um, that none of that is consistent with the gunshot. So, we eliminate the gunshot, we eliminate the rifle, we eliminate Tyler Robinson. We have to now answer what happened under his shirt.
And the the the sad answer I have to give you is I don't know.
I don't know. The two leading theories are uh the microphone somehow exploded or had a shaped charge in it that ejected into his neck. That's option A.
Option B is something with his necklace.
There was a big fuss about the necklace in the immediate aftermath. Frank Turk wanted to know where it was. Erica Kirk wanted to know where it was. She dramatically held a version of it, maybe
the original necklace, maybe a second one. This is a commercially available necklace anybody can buy and have shipped to their house in under a week.
Um, she held something up and wanted us to know that that necklace looked all right. And that was weird to me.
Then we have the most unusual event that is not being talked about enough. The scene of the crime was paved
over. The scene of the crime was paved over.
There's no explanation for that. I've never heard of that in a murder investigation. Uh before the body is even in the ground, before the funeral, we're paving over the scene.
Why not just tape it off and allow bomb dogs to go around? Why not take, you know, when you get a I just got a roof on my house. When you get a roof on your house, they take a a magnet and they go
in all your flower beds and in your and they make sure any little metal shavings, any nuts and bolts that come loose from the roof, from the tiles, any nails, they all get picked up by this
gigantic, very powerful magnet that they roll all over your yard. Why did no one do that before they paved over the scene just to see what's down there?
Well, it was only within like what, three or four days, but it was also done on a Sunday in Utah, which is a big deal.
Yeah. With with pavers that were purchased at Lowe's. And I have, and I covered this on my show, I have the facilities plan for Utah Valley
University from the department that did the work from 2025 and 2026. This this
work was not on their agenda. It was not to be it was not scheduled to be done.
People at the school, according to one witness, were not aware this was being done. It was just done. The state came in and just did it. Um, so there's
there's there are real problems with the gunshot narrative. If it's a lone wolf, these are not the things you do. The shirt doesn't act that way. The wound
would would would better resemble getting shot in the neck by a 306 and you wouldn't pave over the scene. That's not even to say that's not even talking about the fact that his security team
jumped all over him and chucked him into an SUV like a side of beef. The man allegedly had a broken neck. He was bleeding. Why are you doing this? This
is so catastrophically wrong that I would love to be the person to give the opening statement in that trial
because it would sound argumentative and it wouldn't be. I would just go through all that evidence. I would have on either side of me pictures of the shirt
puffed up. I would have the image from behind that there's no wound coming out the back. We're not even talking about the fact that his necklace went off and
whipped around his head and flipped around and all that. Those are not consistent with gunshots. None of that happens with a gunshot.
But those things do sound awfully consistent with some sort of charge that exploded under a shirt. So, it's my theory, you asked for my theory. My theory is that whatever it was, the
necklace or the microphone was supposed to look like a chest wound.
It was supposed to look like a chest wound. He was wearing a white shirt. It would have been very bloody. Um, and a 306 would have made perfect sense
because if I get shot in the middle of the sternum with a 306, the bullet might not escape out of my back. You know, uh,
the sternum is very hard. It It might cause the bullet to turn and move. And now you've got an easy uh an easy case to cover up, but as soon as it went into
his neck, the case was over. Tyler Robinson's not I mean, in my opinion, not going to get convicted. Um, because
that neck wound is so inconsistent with a gunshot. and and you just cannot explain how a 300 6 doesn't just immediately explode two or three inches
of soft tissue. So here's my fear. They get through the preliminary hearing and then Tyler Robinson either takes a deal or gets killed and that that ends the
case. It's over at that point. It's over. Which is why they push so hard to get the death penalty on the table because once you have the death penalty on the table, it's we'll offer you life.
You don't have to die and you've got your appeals and you got your, you know, you can you can go forward. You can continue breathing as long as you want.
Yeah. I just spoke with Elizabeth Lane right before we got on together. Did two two live shows. I called it a double header.
Yeah. You're the Ernie You're the Ernie Banks of podcasting. [laughter] But I mean, she's had multiple conversations with Tyler Robinson's
family members who believe that that he was framed. We had we had that audio that just came out from that Candace Owens found yesterday of of Elizabeth
talking with Tyler Robinson's grandfather. Um, I want you to put on your your lawyer and attorney hat here.
I mean, you mentioned a lot of these things that could shed doubt on Tyler
Robinson actually having took this shot with that specific rifle. I mean, does that play in the trial? I mean, how does this all play out in trial?
Well, you're going to have to get an expert and the judge is going to have to let it in under Dalbert. And I don't know what this I don't know how the judge will interpret that. Local judges
have tremendous gatekeeping power when it comes to expert witnesses. Um, they tend to be, hang on,
they tend to be pretty liberal with letting experts in, but they do have an important gatekeeping function. You don't want experts coming in saying
absolute nonsense, right? Um and so uh rule 702 of the rules of evidence and uh
and and the Supreme Court's opinion in Dowbert and Utah appears to be a Dowert state. They they have a
sort of a checklist they go through and they look at is this relevant in the community? Is this scientifically accepted in the community?
That's kind of the standard. I mean just in in one sentence. I don't want to go through the whole analysis, but in in one sentence that's that's sort of the gatekeeping function the judge serves.
He he evaluates, he holds a 702 hearing, he holds a DARE hearing, and he hears from both sides. And and the question is, is this expert going to testify
about things that are relevantly relevant and accepted in the scientific community or the medical community?
I think if you found a weapons expert with maybe a manufacturer, uh, a manufacturer of ammunition and you
brought them in, I think they would survive, Dalbert. And and if you could put them in front of a jury and that
person could say there's not a boxed 30 Springfield round in the country
11 minutesthat is going to do that damage. It is going to explode out the back of the neck. It might decapitate him. It might cause the other half of his neck to explode.
Like that's just not going to happen.
Period. End of story. I have no idea why we're even talking about this. I manufacture these rounds. I handload these rounds. I go to the test range all
the time and we shoot these rounds. We shoot animals. We shoot bone. We shoot, you know, concrete. We shoot steel.
There's no way in the world that neck contain that round. U they go in and they talk scientifically about the speed of the bullet. It's traveling so many
feet per second. It arrives with so many footpounds of force. The neck can only withstand so many footpounds of force before it gives. I mean, they just they could attack it on a scientific basis
and I think it would be very compelling and very successful testimony.
Unfortunately, experts are just prostitutes. If you pay them, they'll say anything you want. I mean, that's the that's kind of the way you always say the other side. That's that's the
attack on the other expert is, "Well, he got compensated for this. Of course, he's going to say that." Well, both experts got compensated in all likelihood.
12 minutesUm, and so the the state then puts up an expert says, "Oh, no, no, no. We've looked at many 30 odd six rounds and they often are contained in the body." And then the jury has to weigh which
expert do they believe. I think it becomes a battle of experts. And I think the expert the defense chooses is critical. Now, if the defense concedes a
306 shot, Tyler's toast. That's my opinion. If the defense concedes it was a 306 round, he is absolutely toast
because he was there. His rifle was there. His fingerprints were there. His DNA was there. There's 36 fragments that allegedly were recovered from the body.
I mean, you've basically taken all framing out of the equation.
You've taken it all out and you've basically forfeited your right to argue anything took place under the shirt.
You've forfeited your right to argue anything under the shirt looked unusual.
You've forfeited the right to put up the pictures of the gas escaping the back of his shirt, the gas escaping the arm of his shirt.
All that's out the window. If you if you um concede to a 30 six round being the cause of death, I hope they don't u
because I I if anything because I don't believe that's what happened. Do you think that they're already conceding that it was a gunshot at all by
referring to it as a bullet or as a gunshot? Like as they're doing based on the ATF report and all that, like before
they have the data. I know a this this hearing that took place last week, they were asking about all of the data from these authorities that did their analysis.
Do you think it's a mistake for them to be referring to whatever this piece of metal is or this projectile is that they allegedly recovered from was it even from Charlie's body? I'm not 100% sure.
We don't have an autopsy [clears throat] report, so we can't know.
Um, you've you've raised an interesting question and it it kind of goes to the legal procedure. We're at the very early stage. We're not even to the preliminary
hearing stage. So, obviously nothing that lawyers say at this point that can be held to. They're free to present any defense they want in defense of their client. They have to do it zealously
under the rules of ethics. Um they have to examine every possibility under the rules of ethics. Um determine which ones
uh weigh most in favorable of the client and then they have a duty to um to represent them accordingly. So,
you know, if if for right now they're just trying to survive the preliminary stage by by bringing this up the way
they are, I think it's a mistake. But I don't think that limits their options at trial. If that's what you think it's a mistake by the defense team to bring that up.
I think it's a mistake by the defense team to concede cause of death. I mean, it's an element of the crime.
So, so, so the the prosecution has a very high burden, reasonable doubt. Uh, the Supreme Court has defined it as
almost absolutely certain. Um, they they've used many different ways. I that's the one I always use in my closing. Almost absolutely certain.
Meaning, if you're like, "Yeah, he probably did it." Not guilty. If you're like, "I think it's pretty likely he did it." Not guilty.
I think it's probably certain he did it. Not guilty.
Almost absolutely certain. Almost absolutely certain. Any reasonable doubt that's in your mind, if you have any
doubt on any single element that's in your mind and you think, "Well, I'm just not sure on that one element." Not guilty. That's it. You go into that jury
room and you say not guilty. I'm b I'm doing a closing that I've done many times. Uh but that's how you talk to a jury.
You you give them all the options and you say that's the only one you're allowed to choose. That there at the top is the only I had a a poster board I would pick up there with me that looked
like a thermometer and I would color it in as I went up. You have to get all the way up there. You have to be almost absolutely certain.
And if you concede one of the key elements, how he died, I mean,
16 minutesthey they're they're going to say he died by gunshot because the prosecution has to state how he died. That's part of their burden.
And if you if you concede that element, I think it's a huge disservice to your client. Unless there's no debate, right?
If if he if he walks up and stabs a guy in the neck in front of 3,000 people, you're probably not going to say, "Well, did he really get stabbed or could he have been shot?" I mean, you know,
that'd be foolish. But in a situation like this where people just heard a bang and saw a wound and the wound is pretty inconsistent with what we think of as a
30 six, that is reasonable doubt. If you get one juror on there who says, "I don't think that's a 306 wound. We're
going home, boys." Mhm.
He's not going to prison today. Like, pack it up. They might have to retry the case if they hang the jury. But again, you're fighting your your your first
goal as a defense attorney. You're fighting for the one. You key in on the one. You try to win one over, whoever that is. And you try to win them over
just enough to hang the jury. And now, can I get him in there and convince everyone else?
17 minutesAnd I want to win on that issue. That's the issue. I'm going to go I'm going to find somebody on that jury who doesn't believe a 306 will cause that damage.
And I'm going to hammer that point. and I want to create reasonable doubt on that point and then I want to chip away at the rest of the case
and and uh and and see if I can if I can send him home.
Well, I think there's certainly reasonable doubt given everything that you described from the wound type to where they say the bullet went up to to the vertebrae that it hit to the
behavior of his shirt to the way that the necklace whipped around his neck going in traveling in the direction of where the shot came from. I I believe
that there's the reasonable doubt of a of a gunshot, especially one from a 30 six is certainly there. It seems
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Re: Charlie Kirk Murder and TPUSA Insider Gossip

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UVU Paving Contractor Drops NEW BOMBSHELL on Charlie Kirk Case! Victor Marx is Timeline SUSPICIOUS
Zach Costello
May 21, 2026

Candace Owens, in her interview with Victor Marx got him to admit some very concerning details about why he posted that Charlie Kirk was dead before ANYONE else in his closest inner circle made that announcement. Also, the PAVING contractor, Dan Merrell, who was hired to install pavers and BEAUTIFY the Charlie Kirk crime scene at UVU did a sit down interview and dropped a BOMBSHELL that answers a question I've had for a long time regarding the site clean up... You're going to want to see this.



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Guys, Candace Owens in that interview that she did with Victor Marx, she got him to admit some very concerning
details about why he posted that Charlie Kirk was dead before anyone else in his
inner circle made that announcement or maybe even knew.
Victor stumbled through that answer which I believe given what I'm about to take you through here proves that he is lying about it allegedly in my opinion.
There was also something subtle that I can't believe that we all missed which I'm going to show you as well. And this
is a big deal. This is a really big deal actually.
Also, the paving contractor, Dan Merrill, who was hired to install pavers and beautify,
I love that word, beautify the Charlie Kirk crime scene at UVU in that courtyard. Did a sitdown interview and
dropped a bombshell that answers a question that I've had for a long time regarding this site cleanup. a lot of us
have and you're going to want to see this. We're going to start here with the Victor Marks timeline and Candace Owens.
It's the timeline here of when Victor posted this initial announcement that Charlie Kirk was dead that exposes him.
And this is what I and Candace Owens, an avid watcher of the Zack Costello
show, a fan some might even say. Get at right here.
I'm Zach Costello.
Zack Castello show. Oh, I've watched some of your episodes. Zack Castello, hello. Zach writes, "The timeline of Charlie to car drive to hospital,
2 minutessurgeon, and Andrew Kovat finding out puts Victor Marx's Instagram post at exactly within the time frame that his closer closest inner circle was finding
out. Someone informed him in my opinion." I totally agree with you, Zach. Uh that's the point we were making. It was when right around the timeline when Erica finds out. It's
actually a little bit before when Andrew Kovette finds out. So that signals to me that someone in the hospital, perhaps the security team or Erica informed him that Charlie was gone. just putting
together the blue clues. I definitely don't think he was just wagering a guess. That doesn't register right to me. Or maybe he was a part of the Israel
chat because like I mentioned the other day, Pastor Jack Hibbs and that little orbit of TPUSA faith adjacent peopleish
were also the among the first to say uh that Charlie had passed and that for some reason Israel knew first. Who? I
don't know why they knew first. Who who knows why Israel knew first? Israel didn't do nothing. I mean, they've never done anything other than assassinate a sitting president of the United States.
You know, I was reading some hater comments last week saying that Candace Owens, she never watches the Zack
Costello show. In fact, the haters were saying Candace Owens has no clue who Zack Costello even is.
Debunked. Debunked. Debunked.
Fact checked. False.
Not only Not only does Candace Owens watch my show, but from what I just heard,
multiple shows, episodes, that's plural.
Candace Owens is an avid watcher and listener of the Zack Costello Show. Candace is part of the Zpack.
Candace, at least from what I just heard, is a massive fan.
All right. All right. All right. Calm down there, Zach. Calm down. Calm down there, big guy.
Let's not get carried away. Let's not get carried away.
Okay. But my comment there, my comment there though in this timeline
is extremely important and I believe, excuse me, and I believe as I'm about to show you right here,
this is proof that Victor Marx lied to Candace Owen's face about his post on Instagram that Charlie was killed.
Let's take a look here at Candace Owens asking Victor Marx how this played out.
And I want you to pay attention to the first part of his answer here.
Obviously, a big question that we have had is uh you were first to post a video that was later on removed uh saying that
Charlie had passed and this video was about an hour and before the president's announcement. Um it would
have been to the you know to the minute about the time that his family found out that he had passed away. Um or people that were at the hospital have found out
that he had passed away. So, do you can you explain how you found that out and and why you chose to remove the video?
Well, yeah. I'm I'm first interested to find out why y'all think I was the first or one of the first, you know, to to do
that because um I mean, a rough estimate, there's between 1 to three million pieces of social media content
that are produced every second worldwide. Uh and you know, my team looked it up.
If there's 180 million posts per minute and let's just say the first , we're talking 5.4
billion posts in . How could y'all narrow it down? What type of technology could y'all do to narrow down that I was one of the first ones to post that he had passed?
Pause that right there. So the question posed to Victor Marx was how did you find out so fast and why did
you post on social media about it and then why did you take it down? That initial answer
that you just heard was his him being confused about how we know how he was one of the
first people to post it. How we know that out of 500 million social media posts that take place every minute of
the day according to the stats that Victor Mark's team pulled together in preparation because you know they were prepared for this conversation with Candace Owens.
One of the initial ways that you know he's lying right through his teeth is by answering the question that way. I mean that is like the typical politician lie.
Oh, well, yeah. Well, you know, yeah, you did I did I lie or I mean, you know, the average person lies two 2.4 times a
day like in my conversation/debate with Gary Melton. I tried to get him to admit like, well, if Erica Kirk said
that she did not date at all in New York City, but then we actually found sol solid evidence video of her actually
dating in New York City, drinking alcohol after she said that she didn't drink alcohol at a New York City rooftop
bar. Could you then at least just acknowledge to me that that would be dishonesty and that that would be a lie?
Gary's answer to me was, "Well, do you know how many times the average person lies per day?" And I'm just like,
"What?" That's literally how Victor Marx just answered that question right there.
We know you were one of the first people in Charlie Kirk's inner circle or one of the people closest to Charlie Kirk that
posted this. Why did you do that? And how'd you know? How'd you know that? And why'd you do it so fast? Oh, well, do you know how many people post on social media a day?
So, again, this is some initial proof if you're an observing person that this man is lying through his teeth. Okay, but
how do we know? How do we know? Well, here is how we know that he was one of the first to publish that Charlie Kirk was dead.
Sam Parker. And I want you you guys, if you don't follow Sam Parker OnX, please do so. Put together this perfect breakdown of the timeline.
I want you to take a listen to this and then you'll realize that the rest of Victor Mark's answer here that he gives
to Candace is total horse spit. Take a listen.
What time was Charlie Kirk first pronounced dead? Let's get into it.
Victor Markx was the uh first person who announced that Charlie went to heaven is what he said. I'm going to show you that post right here. And um the person who
sent this to us, they sent it to us in Eastern Standard Time. Fortunately, they had it screenshot. Their buddy sent it to them and it showed us the timeline,
but it says here, "Victor Marks wrote, "Pray for Erica and their two little children who need the prayers now that Charlie is in heaven. The shooter is in
custody." And he did a video and he announced that Charlie had died. And people in the comments were like, "But Glenn Beck posted stable. This is not confirmed. Who confirmed this? I haven't
seen anything posted that he passed. And I didn't I just this I remember this happening on the day. I certainly remember that Victor March was the first person to say that um Charlie had died.
And you should know, but he posted that information at 1:13 p.m. Utah time, Mountain Standard. So that is less than an hour after Charlie was shot. Erica
Kirk's dear friend, Victor Marks, announced that he had died. That's just after Charlie was shot. Who told him? I feel like that is that is early and we should plot that here.
revisit our minutebyminute timeline from September 10th and see where that falls exactly.
So, Victor Marks knew at 1:13 p.m. just after the Big Bang event at UVU. Is that possible? And what does
that tell us about the exact time that Charlie was first pronounced dead? Well, according to Andrew Kovet, yes, it is possible. According to Kvet, he found
out 30 to after the Big Bang event.
How long How long did it take before you knew he had died? I um
there was a I don't know I want to say probably 30 or . Okay.
Okay. So, at least according to Kovette, it would have been possible for Victor Marks to have found out by 1:13 p.m. So, let's look at the full timeline. Here's
what I've been able to reconstruct. It took to carry Charlie to the SUV and load him and leave UVU. Then it
took about 7 to for them to drive to the hospital. Then it probably took at least 5 to to get Charlie into the operating room. And
then we're told that they were working on Charlie for 20 to in the operating room before the church surgeon pronounced him dead. So that adds up to
about 33 to total, which Andrew Kovvette's fits nicely inside of, which gives us an earliest
estimated time of death pronouncement between 12:56 p.m. and 1:13 p.m. 11:13 p.m. again being the time that Victor
Marx posted to social media that Charlie had passed away. So that uh 1:13 time, that is the upper bound of the minimum possible time uh given what we know.
So that 1:13 p.m. being the upper bound of that minimum possible time that anyone would have known that Charlie
Kirk is dead is really important because as you just heard and as you've as we've learned, Victor Marx posted that post on
Instagram at 1:13 p.m. If Andrew Kovette knew about , and of course, of
course, it's probably about after the assassination event. Then it follows that those on site at the
hospital knew. Frank Turk and the security team would have been the first to know. They are then calling those in Charlie's inner circle to inform them.
Andrew Kovette, Erica Kirk, and perhaps perhaps Victor Marx. But here is the
question that I want to pose. Now, was Victor Marx informed before Erica Kirk?
Listen here to Victor Mark's answer about who told him about Charlie Kirk's assassination in the moments after. And
then this is a small detail that I don't think anybody's talked about yet, but as I've I mean I've I've watched this a number of times.
Pay attention to then what he says when he starts to get into Erica. I know you guys have probably seen this, but again,
watching this with a finer eye and observing these details, I think is very important given these timelines. Take a listen.
Uh let's put it in a context that's easier. uh the first PE person in Charlie's orbit um that announced that information and
when we put it down to the minute it was when Erica found out that Charlie was had passed away. So I was wondering how how that was.
Okay. I I had someone text me and he said my son is at Charlie's event and Charlie was just shot.
Uh and it doesn't look good. Um we went on it. I watched Charlie being shot one
time and my team uh many who are former special operations guys and combat medics, lots of experience, they viewed
it multiple times cuz I wouldn't. And they said Charlie they said Charlie wouldn't live from
that. And I I knew it the first I knew the only time I saw it I knew there's no way he could have survived that. And
when I made a post and said, you know, Charlie's passed. Of course, I know Frank Turret. I know the security teams.
I put it up and then I didn't see anybody else posting it. I thought it was premature and I I pulled it down cuz it just felt wrong that I would post it.
But it I wanted people to pray. Uh, and then I contacted Erica through a text and told her
I just told her, "Nobody's going to kill you. You're safe. You and the kids. No one's coming after you. They just wanted
Charlie." And I was just trying to reassure her. Okay.
So, Victor Mark's story is that a friend's son was there at UVU and he told him about it immediately. And based
15 minuteson the video that he had seen of the wound, he knew that Charlie was not
going to make it. And look, that was a brutal video. As soon as you saw it up close and you saw the neck wound via video, it looked bad. It looked bad.
Now for you to say that you knew that he was dead in that moment. Okay, that's one thing. That's one thing. I mean
people have said that. People have said that that lon that wound looks so bad and people familiar with you know obviously
seeing people uh killed have said like that would have been very difficult to survive. But to make an announcement, as
a public figure, to go out and make an announcement before you hear any pronouncement that Charlie Kirk is dead, I I don't think anybody is is going to do that unless they know for sure.
Unless you hear specifically from those on site or somebody at the hospital, the medical examiner or the surgeon that
comes out and and pronounces that Charlie Kirk is dead. Charlie Kirk was not pronounced dead based on what everybody had seen from that video.
I see a couple of you guys in the comments like other people have said that based on the video they knew that Charlie was dead. That's an opinion.
That's that's their opinion on what they saw in that moment. If you're a public figure, you're going to go out and make an announcement based off of what you think might have happened from a video.
They were able to reestablish a heartbeat at the hospital. We know that. We know that.
So, Victor Mark saying that he knew based on the video having held because he he he because he had held dying soldiers in the past that Charlie Kirk
was dead. Okay, again, that can be his opinion, but to be a public figure and to go out and make a public statement on
social media that he was dead, you don't do that just from watching the video and having an opinion about it.
Victor Marx, he says in this explicitly that he knows Frank Turk and the security team. He mentions Frank Turk by
name. Remember Frank Turk said that Charlie Kirk had doll eyes in the SUV. I
want to know did Frank Turk inform Victor Marx? And I want to know was he informed before Erica Kirk?
I didn't catch this before, but did you guys see that at the end of this video?
Watch this again. Listen to his tone here. Listen to what he says. And then I contacted Erica through a text and told
her that tone right there. And I contacted
Erica through a text and told her. That tone right there
makes it seem like that was supposed to be the end of the sentence.
Did Victor Marx tell Erica Kirk, who I believe Erica received the news on the plane as she was flying into Provo. I I believe that's correct.
Victor Markx didn't tell Erica Kirk.
Victor Markx wasn't the deliverer of this news, was he?
Because that moment right there, Victor Marks makes the statement
that I texted I I sent Erica a message and told her and and Candace is like and then he and then he pauses and looks around the room tells and Candace is like told her what?
What did you tell her?
I think could that could have been a slip up in my opinion. That right there.
Did he just tell us that he told Erica Kirk that Charlie Kirk was killed?
Because he says that and then he looks at his team, he starts to scramble and then he comes up with what we all have
recognized as a crazy statement. They aren't going to kill you. Don't worry.
They aren't going to kill you or the kids. They just wanted Charlie.
I think that line was a scramble. I think he pulled that out of his butt.
I mean, you know what I mean? Like that's that's like one of the weirdest things you would say to someone when their when their husband just got killed. Like they're not they're not
trying to kill they're not going to come for you now. They're not going to come for the kids. They already got who they wanted.
I think that he just made that up. I think he just pulled that out of his butt.
Now we're like, but he sent it via text message. Now we need Victor Mark's text message threads.
You know what I mean?
Did Victor Marks tell Erica Kirk that Charlie Kirk was killed?
Something certainly is just not right about all of this, you guys.
Something is not right about all of this. And given the timeline of when people were finding out, this just seems like pretty obvious proof to me, in my
opinion, that Victor Marx was told by someone on site that day at UVU at the hospital.
Victor Markx was given priority information that Charlie Kirk was killed. By whom and why?
I think Candace has mentioned that it might have been it might have been Erica Kirk. My question is did Victor Marks
know before Erica Kirk? That's a pretty big deal. That's a pretty big deal. If Andrew Kovvette found out allegedly
around later, then it would follow that Victor Markx
found out then or on that earlier end of the time frame, which then caused him to then go and post at about 1:13 p.m.
Because if you had the the individuals closest to Charlie Kirk that were there in the car, which was Frank Turk and the security team letting the priority
individuals know, Andrew Kovvette, Victor Marks, and then maybe Erica Kirk.
And then he took down that post. He took down that post on Instagram because he realized that it was too early. He
realized nobody he realized no one no one else knew. Whoops.
All right. Now, before we get to the UVU paver, Dan Merrill, the contractor who
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Okay, so after the crime scene where Charlie Kirk was killed was cleaned up
and paved over very quickly, the contractor that was hired to do so spoke out about a week and a half
after he completed the job. If you guys don't remember this, I covered this statement that he made and I was left
with a couple questions based on what he said here. If you don't remember, here is the beginning of that initial
statement that Dan Merrill made. What's up, guys?
Hey, I just want to share a quick post here. Um, I got a call about a week and a half ago from a
couple of uh couple of maintenance guys from the state of Utah that had been asked to replace uh to beautify
an area where a brother had been gunned down.
Okay.
When he came out and made this post, what was alarming to me was that he said that two maintenance guys from the state
of Utah called me on a Sunday to beautify the site where Charlie Kirk had just been killed.
I had finished that video that I did back when I did pre-records before I started going live with you all here.
But when I finished that video, I asked, my question was, who were these two men?
Who were these two men? And from whose orders were they operating from? Well,
now we have our answer. And this is a bombshell, but there's also something very problematic
about all of this and how this all played out.
Take a listen to this from this clip from his sitdown interview. We're going to go through this
uh I'm at home with my family. Um and I get a a call and I don't answer my phones on Sunday. They left the message
and the gentleman said, "Hey, you know, this is kind of weird." And he was kind of hming and hawing on on the phone.
This was 5 days later then. You said it was on this Sunday. Okay. Yeah. On Sunday.
And he says, "We've got to pay for emergency." I'm like, "The hell is when the hell is that?" Exactly. Right. I'm thinking, "This
guy's what the hell, you know?" So, anyways, I I wasn't going to even respond because I don't typically do that. But I'm like, "Paver emergency."
You know, part of my MO is I like to be useful, you know, where I can be help, you know. So, I texted the guy. I said, "Look, uh, I don't work on Sundays. Um,
my guys don't work on Sundays. Uh, you know, I'm happy to call you on Monday. what's a PA emergency? So, he
sends me pictures of of right where Charlie was murdered and he says he says we need to put pavers in this place. So,
I called him and um the guy seemed like a a genuine good dude. He says, you know, look, we we don't have a whole lot
of answers. Uh we're told by, you know, people above us that we've got to put pavers in, you know, today and tomorrow.
Needs to be in by Monday. and we've never done uh pavers, we've never installed them, and we want to make sure
we do it right." And he says, "Would you come help?" I said, "100%." So, I went and got my [ __ ] I got my trailer. I started calling my guys, and none of my guys answered.
Okay.
So, the two guys that were instructed to do this paver job did not know how to do pavers.
They had to reach out to Dan and Hardscape Utah to do them because they did not have any experience doing them.
Why then would these two men have been asked to do this?
So that's the first red flag. That's the first red flag there. These two individuals who were contacted by the higherups, and we're about to find out
who those higherups were here in a second.
Those higher-ups informed these two maintenance individuals from the state of Utah
that they needed to get their butts out on a Sunday in Church of Latterday Saints taking Sunday pretty seriously Utah.
They need to get their butts out and get this done by Monday. By Monday. So they had basically two days to do it.
So they basically they they launched this on these two guys who didn't know how to do pavers and said you got to get this done by tomorrow.
That's the first red flag.
Now just wait until you hear who told them that they needed to go do it. And so I started calling my other guys, you
know, my my brothers. And then I called another, you know, so I put together this rag tag team, you know, of guys that we showed up on that Sunday, you
know, within an hour and a half of when they called us with our trailer and uh we met with a couple of dudes. Um I was
telling you there, you know, there wasn't a whole lot of information. There was there was two guys that were kind of in charge.
So by this point, it's all dug up and everything done. Everything What did it look like?
It was I've got pictures, you know, I could give you pictures of exactly when I showed up. I took pictures of what it looked like. They had taken out about 10
in of the dirt around the whole place, right? You know, you can right now you can see where the pavers are. Everything
under that probably 10 inches had been excavated.
Why do you think they excavated so much dirt? You think that they were trying to make sure they got any bullet fragments or anything that was in there?
I wasn't looking at it with that lens, dude. I wasn't. It didn't even cross your mind.
It didn't cross my mind. Here's the thing. I, you know, you were saying stuff on social media. Everybody's saying stuff on social media
and quite frankly, I had been, you know, I got so disheartened with social media because they just spin everything and
they talk [ __ ] and and fear mongering and and hate sells. And I didn't want to see it. I knew there was videos out
there. Right when I pulled into town when it happened, I Googled it and I saw the I saw the video from afar, right, of Charlie getting shot and I thought, man,
I don't want to see that [ __ ] This guy got shot. You see it, you know he's probably dead or when he showed up to the site, he had
found that they had excavated about 10 in down into the dirt of the crime scene.
And then they had a different crew to come in and do the beautifification of the area.
And this guy says he has pictures. Dan Merrill says that he has pictures of what the site looked like prior to the
beautifification. He has pictures of what they did to tear up the entire site.
Well, Dan, I think you're going to need to make those pictures public, man. We're going to need those pictures.
Let's let him go cuz it's coming. Just wait.
Dying, right? I don't want to see somebody murdered, especially a good man, a father and a husband. So, so I hadn't been on social media. I had
stayed away from it. My wife had been on it and she was a wreck, bro. She was just all that ugliness was just so when
I got the call, I thought, "You better [ __ ] believe it. I'm going to go help." M that was all it was is I'm going to go help these guys. He's asking for help.
They want to do it right. He he framed it in the sense that hey we want it we want this to be done right. So that's why I showed up. So I mean to do pavers
correctly you over excavate. You get rid of the top soil. You do 100%. You want to get a good base. And these guys had
kind of you know there was two two guys in charge and a a rag tag crew. One of the guys was in charge of a a stateowned
facility. uh in um American Fork and the other guy was in a maintenance groundskeeper on a facility in Provo.
And these are the two guys I'm corresponding with. The first guy, you know, the second guy that I hadn't talked to on the phone basically said,
"Hey, look, we're not talking to anybody. We're not saying anything to the media. He says
this is above our pay grade." uh the FBI and the state, the governor and the FBI, that's what they told me, the governor
and the FBI said they want this done by Monday and we need to get it done. We're not asking questions. We're not talking to the media. And so I said, "Okay."
Governor Cox and the FBI, Governor Cox and Cash Patel
instructed these state maintenance guys on a Sunday in Utah to get this done by Monday.
These guys had no paver experience to get the job done that they were instructed to do
and also the site had been excavated prior to them arriving.
Governor Cox and the FBI
instructed these men to get out there on a Sunday at the very last minute. Rush. Expedited.
That's the word we use in the business world to get something done very quickly.
Expedited the call. So much so that they pulled out these religious people on a Sunday
when they don't work to go out and do this.
They didn't use the same crew that did the excavation.
I'm wondering who the crew is that did the excavation and where the debris. In the construction world, you normally
have likely a dump truck or a dumpster that you throw the debris in and then it goes off. Where did that go? Where did
the debris go from when they excavated it up? Was this collected as evidence or was it just taken and and disposed
of? That's an important question. That's a very important question.
I don't know if he just tried to explain that the reason that it was excavated about 10 in down was to prepare for pavers. I don't think that's accurate.
That seems to me a little bit suspicious of an account from what this Dan Merrill is saying here.
It would have been excavated for evidence, I would assume. Right. You excavate the soil for evidence, the grass and the soil. You take it up for
evidence and then and then you allow the beautifification company to come back in. It's not it wasn't to prepare for pavers so they could do pavers the right
way. They didn't activate 10 in down to prepare for pavers.
I'm pretty sure he just made that implication.
But guys, what's so shocking to me about this
that the governor of Utah and the FBI were the ones that instructed these maintenance guys to get this job done as
soon as possible. I thought I thought it was UVU.
I thought UVU would have been the ones to been like, "Hey, we need to get this done so we can get back to school.
That makes the most sense, doesn't it?
Man, let's finish up with today's scripture.
John chapter 14 starting at verse 12. Amen. Amen. I say to you, whoever believes in me will do
the works that I do and will do greater ones than these because I am going to the father. And whatever you ask in my
name, I will do so the father may be glorified in the son. If you ask of anything,
if you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. If you love me, you will keep my commandments.
And I will ask the Father and he will give you another advocate to be with you always. The spirit of truth of truth
which the world cannot accept because it neither sees nor knows it. But you know it because it remains with you and will be in you.
This is another example of the spirit of God living within living within all Christians.
That allows us to be defended and to discern the things of this world. To be defended against and discern the things of this world.
It allows us to see clearly. It allows us to be wise and make right decisions and be prudent.
The spirit of God living within us, the spirit of truth, the spirit of love living within us allows us to see the
world as we should see it. It allows us to see the world as God sees it.
The spirit of God living within us makes us more like God. And when we have the spirit of God living within us, it
allows us to see the world and others as God sees them.
Recognizing sin in ourselves and in others, but recognizing that it's the sin that we
dislike or hate about another, not the individual themselves.
Our goal as Christians is we're we're we're on a rescue mission. We're on a rescue mission in this world to get
people out of their sinful ways so that they can live an aligned life that leads to God when it's all said and done.
And that does build a better world. That does create a better world while we are all living here together.
But the spirit of God living within us allows us to see the world clearly and rightly so that we can make
the right ideal, the best decisions and therefore live a life
to our highest potential toward God, toward life in full, in truth, in love.
Let's finish up with some comments.
Thank you so much for that super chat and the support of the channel there.
Always be true. Have you noticed that Victor Marx wrote shooter is in custody in that post where he says Charlie in
heaven? I didn't notice that. I didn't notice that. But that is Is that a surprise?
Not a surprise. Of course. And and and what was that at 113 p.m.?
That's cra That's crazy.
Hold on. I wonder if we can see that in this uh what time did
let's see if we can see that in this in this post right here.
Uh I don't know if we're going to be able to.
Yeah, I'm not sure. Yeah, I didn't notice that. That's crazy if so. But if he actually said that shooters in custody at 1:13 p.m.
that might was that maybe based on the initial news of when they thought that they had George Zinn in custody and then they released him. Yeah. I'm not sure.
I'm not sure.
Yeah. I mean, Victor Mark's just putting out a whole bunch of information that he shouldn't have known. He didn't know. He wasn't supposed to say out loud.
They only wanted Charlie. Doesn't sound like Tyler Robinson did it. Maybe Lance T identifies as they Yeah. I mean I mean
Victor Marks saying they only wanted Charlie. They aren't coming after Erica and the kids. I mean, like I said yesterday, the [ __ ] is that who
he's talking about? Like is that who we're talking about here? Who does Victor Marx think is they? Who does Victor Marx thinks is they?
That's a very important question. I'd really like to know that answer. Not that I think you'd be truthful about it.
When I heard they just wanted Charlie, I heard the plan is just Charlie. Like if Erica knew and is scared about her too, but like the plan is done just Charlie.
Repeat part and is his subconscious.
I mean 100%. I mean I I I agree with you in that. Yes. I mean, the plan was obviously just to take out Charlie. Um,
and that is precisely what Victor Marx was communicating.
It it just his the way that he answered the question and the timing of his posts and what he said and when he knew what
he said makes this all extremely problematic.
When you look at the whole big picture here of what he did and how everything played out with the timeline and when he would have known these things, it makes Victor Mark's accounts very problematic.
And it's worse that he seems to not be being truthful about it. And you can just tell that with the way that he says
these things and the slip ups and the looking to looking around the room and and just and just like being told
something in his ear that no you whoa whoa whoa whoa you should stop there like don't you know what I mean? Like like that just tells me that something
is off. Like that like that's a sign like that's a it's a it's a signal that we're not being told the truth.
Um, Corby Hall. Corby Hall, thanks for the comment, man. Uh, good good to have you here, Corby. God is forcing people to make mistakes. Verbal slips.
All things will be exposed. Wow. Like, there you go. I I mean, there you go. I mean, I literally just got done saying that with regard to the previous post.
the verbal slips. Um, there was a moment there was a moment
during the 2024 election cycle where Kla Harris was um, and look, when
it all comes down to it, like, yeah, I've got issues with some of the things the Trump administration has has been doing, some of the things they've not delivered on. For sure, I'm with you
guys on all of that. But I'm not going to sit here and say that I I would want or wish that Kla Harris would be president of the United States. I I
don't think that either. I think the the being bought by the by the by our our greatest ally is a problem on both sides of the aisle. Um I'm not sure it would
have been any better. In fact, it could have been even worse. You I don't know.
But at the same time, I don't consider I mean like Kla Harris was not an was not the Christian leader that I was
looking for either. In fact, she was pretty uh she expressed some pretty hard animosity toward people of Christian
faith. And there was a moment at one of her rallies, I forget exactly where it was, but I I don't know. I think a a Christian
spoke out or maybe like a pro-life advocate spoke out and she like really attacked him. She really attacked him, but like there was something in her
speech that caused her to like slip up and it was like it was like really ugly.
It made it really ugly. And the same thing has happened to Barack Obama when I've heard him. He was literally about to say a blatant lie and like he he like slipped up and like verbally fumbled.
And I believe that that is a signal.
Like it's a signal and that somebody is saying something that they know isn't true and it's almost like an instinct
that it like catches them. Like you know what I mean? Like I don't know. Like it's it and it happens outside of their
control. So Corby, I think what you're saying here is accurate. Like God is forcing people to make mistakes and verbal slip-ups. And like this is like
this is how I believe the truth to be revealed when this type of stuff happens. When this when you have some when you have
46 minutespeople who are continually trying to lie and cover things up, the truth is revealed because
the truth becomes revealed because God is at work and the truth wins and light eventually wins.
All things will be exposed. Amen. I agree. Thanks, Corby.
And thank you, Corby, for that uh exclusive statement that you allowed uh me to share here yesterday on the Zack Costello show. Thanks so much.
I certainly hope the bad group doesn't buy Victor Marks the governor position in Colorado. Totally scary. Well, I
mean, that's certainly something that we all should be concerned about because we know how influential and powerful they are in American elections. So, that is certainly possible.
Is Dan ex-military? His lingo is telling? That's interesting. I don't know. I don't know the answer to that
question. Maybe we should take a look at Dan Merrill and his uh and his background. Good question.
All the Victor Marks stuff aside, the fact that Erica is taking Turning Point USA in the opposite direction than Charlie was going. She belongs on DLine.
You all know here that this is one of my biggest concerns with Erica Kirk. I mean, this is what eventually made me
more critical, more suspicious, if you want to say, more open to all right, like we got to start we got to start
questioning her because of the dishonesty, because of the lies about like little things. Okay, fine. But like it's the it it's literally the fact that
she was there, the fact that she knows everything. She knows all the ins and outs of what was going on behind the scenes at Turning Point USA. What was
going on with Charlie Kirk, all of the pressure and heat and the harassment and the bullying that he was
under from his pro-Israel donors and the pro-Israel media friends that he had had. She knew all of this. She was all
there. She was all there. Yet now he's gone and here she is just continuing on with with you know it's it's Christian
Zionist business as usual for Turning Point USA and it's you know now even platforming
those same Zionists that were giving Charlie Kirk such a hard time at the end of his life. You know the only text message that she's produced from his
phone are the ones justifying Ben Shapiro at Amfest that she leaked to Graham Allen. It's like what about the other ones that we've been asking about?
Like what about the other ones we've been asking like they are going to kill me? Like the ones that you denied said they didn't exist. What about those?
So yeah, it's the Christian Zionist direction. And now you can even throw in like kind of the MAGA Neocon which is
wrapped up and tied up in the in the Zionist agenda that I have a problem with and I believe
it to be detrimental to America. I believe it's detrimental because I believe it's false teaching. I I I believe it's not true. And when you
continue on in a false ideology, it's detrimental. It's detrimental. It's damaging. So, I think it's something that it's important that we fight against.
Zach, since we all believe the FBI and others are involved, do you think Trump was aware of the nefarious goings on?
That's a big question. Um, I would say that I guess my opinion on
this is that is that not necessarily. I believe probably not necessarily. And the reason being is I I
believe actually Trump, President Trump to be an individual that
has been influenced as well by this same lobby donor
class, I guess you can say. And I believe that
I believe President Trump, you can say, sold his soul out to them. You can say that he's bought and paid for by them, or you can say that he is afraid of them.
And the reason that I think that is because I I think that you had BB Netanyahu visiting the Oval Office and giving President Trump the golden pager.
I believe that Butler, Pennsylvania, and the question marks surrounding that almost assassination are are
problematic. Um the multiple breaches of President Trump's security like Joe Kent has talked a lot about kind of this way
of thinking with regard to President Trump being threatened, feeling threatened. And that's why that's an explanation for why we have kind of a
shift and a turn from the promises that we were that we were made during the election cycle.
And um and then we have the Charlie Kirk assassination. So like you have these different things that have taken place
and you have a guy like President Trump who's like he gets the message essentially.
But my opinion is that no, I I don't believe that um I don't believe that President Trump was
aware of the plot to take out Charlie Kirk. I don't believe that.
I think Trump is now more so controlled and I think that Charlie had proven that he was not going to be controlled.
I'm I'm just trying to be careful with what I say. But in any I think you get it.
Candace is watching. Jack, great. She mentioned on her show last night, keep up the great work. Christ is king. Amen.
Oh, she's watching. Candace is a massive fan.
No, that was cool. That was cool. Um Yeah. No, that was that was awesome. I I was pumped to see that. Um, but I again
I think what's most important about it is is again I think that timeline that we went through and what Candace is talking about and what Victor Marks had
to say about it and I just think that it proves that he clearly knew something that uh he was that he made a mistake on
like that he was that he basically whooped on and and now I think given what he said and and looking at that I am concerned now that Victor Marx is the
one that he knew before Eric and that perhaps he even might have told Erica Kirk
about what happened to Charlie, which would be crazy, which is just crazy. But but ultimately what it comes down to is why
was Victor Marx told so early on and who told him, Frank Turk or someone on the security team? Why was Victor Marks informed right away?
Got one last one here. I remember the prosecutor didn't know about this.
Um, didn't know about what?
Sorry, I might have lost the context on that. Um, I remember the prosecutor didn't know about this. Um, I'm not sure
what this is that you're referring to that the prosecutor did not know, but uh, thank you so much for the uh, super
chat. Um, I appreciate it. All right, guys. That's going to be all for today.
Um, I hope you guys have a great rest of the day and I will plan on seeing you all tomorrow. Oh, hold on. We got one
more. Zach wondering if Charlie Kirk appointment on 9:15 about his will
connected to 99 form. That weird loan to GGLF for 350K.
Could be the LF Lorie Fronve be Lori. Awesome show.
Crisis King. I'm not sure. I saw that Candace obviously dropped that uh dropped that piece and that piece of
information yesterday that they had a uh a will a change in the will appointment
lined up and uh you know if that's true that's obviously you know pretty problematic given the fact that he was
then killed. Uh Candace brought up the example of the wife of the individual, the wife who was
convicted of of killing her husband um who had I guess some changes in their will that took place from his sister. I
mean, yeah, Candace covered that yesterday on her show and I thought that was a pretty important piece of information. I mean, I'm kind of I think Candace is asking for more information
on that. Obviously, she broke it and I guess we'll see what comes from it as far as all that goes. Um, I also saw
that I think there was information put out that the individual that I think handles Charlie's money was Doug Degrroot who's on the board of Turning
Point USA. So maybe he knows something about that change in that in that will.
So maybe he had an idea. If he's Charlie's money manager and he's the one that manages his wealth, then I would assume that he would have been aware of any meeting that would have taken place.
Now, is he going to tell us the truth?
I'm not sure. So, I guess we'll just have to see. But yeah, that was a crazy piece of information that Candace dropped yesterday. Um, all right, guys.
That's going to be all. I will plan to see you all tomorrow. I'm Zack Costello.
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Erika Kirk Fraud BOMBSHELL Gets EXPOSED... IT'S BAD
Harry Sisson
May 22, 2026

Something strange is happening at Turning Point...
Unfuck America Tour
May 21, 2026

Are Turning Point USA’s chapter numbers real?

Turning Point USA claims thousands of campus chapters and a massive nationwide student presence. Those numbers are used to demonstrate growth, influence, and reach.

We wanted to see what those chapters actually look like in practice.

This documentary examines how TPUSA chapters are defined, counted, and
represented; and whether those public claims match reality.
This is not a documentary about conservative ideology. It’s an investigation into verification, accountability, and institutional credibility.

Directed and edited by JJ Watson.
Produced by Zee Cohen-Sanchez.

Featuring reporting and field interviews from:
Zee Cohen-Sanchez, Chris Santoyo, Amy Zellmer, and Jackson Heaberlin



Harry Sisson breaks down the bombshell revelations surrounding Erika Kirk and the organization she runs, Turning Point USA.

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Erika Kirk Fraud BOMBSHELL Gets EXPOSED... IT'S BAD
by Harry Sisson
May 22, 2026 The Harry Sisson Show

Something strange is happening at Turning ...

Harry Sisson breaks down the bombshell revelations surrounding Erika Kirk and the organization she runs, Turning Point USA.



Transcript

This right here on your screen is a nightmare for Erica Kirk and Turning Point USA. A liberal group has launched an investigation and produced a
documentary on some alleged fraud taking place at Turning Point USA. And let's just say the truth has been exposed. A
lot has come out about the operation that Erica Kirk is running over there, and it is not good. So, there's really no time to waste in this story. There's a lot to get through in this video. So,
let's just get right into it. An activist has sent a warning to Turning Point USA vowing to expose their fraud.
And it seems like they might have just done that. Liberal activists Ziko and Sanchez has vowed to expose alleged quote waste, fraud, and abuse in Turning
Point USA with a new documentary. And I have some clips of the documentary to show you. We'll look at those in just a second. What started as just asking questions has turned into something much
bigger. The American people deserve to know what's happening. And Cohen Sanchez, a Democratic strategist, said on Twitter in a post in the promotional
video, she said, quote, "Tomorrow I finally expose the receipts, the documentary I've been working on at Turning Point USA to expose their fraud and abuse, and it's finally going to
come out. And since Andrew Kulvit, the spokesperson of Turning Point USA, watches all of my videos. Let this be a direct message to you, Andrew. I'm
coming for you. I'm coming for your blank," as she put it. And as I mentioned, I have some clips from this very documentary exposing the truth about Erica Kirk and Turning Point USA.
So, let's get right into it. This video that we're about to watch, pretty damning. Take a look.
In its public messaging, Turning Point USA presents a clear picture of scale, a presence on thousands of campuses, a network of chapters spanning the country.
Not even a way to click on the school.
But in its IRS filings, the language becomes much more specific. The organization reports 1,873
charter chapters and activity on more than 3,300 campuses.
There are roughly 3500 turning point chapters at colleges and high schools across the country. In At first glance, those numbers seem to reinforce the same story, but they
describe two different things. A charter chapter suggests something defined. A group of students, a structure, some
kind of ongoing presence on campus. But active on campus is much less clear.
Club America is now on 3,300 high schools in America.
It could mean a functioning student organization or it could mean something much looser. A single event, a student who signed up, a chapter that once
existed but no longer does. And beyond that, the organization also refers to what it calls activism hubs, a category
that's less clear still. The filings don't spell out how these different forms of presence are defined or how they're counted. And without a clear
definition, the scale becomes harder to interpret. Because these categories overlap or if they're applied inconsistently, then the total number
may not reflect what people assume it reflects.
Before looking at the map, before making any assumptions, we wanted to understand what those numbers actually represent.
not what they suggest, but what they mean in practice.
And to understand how these numbers translate in practice, we turned to the organization's own directory. School by
school, we began working through the list, reaching out to administrators, student activity offices, and faculty adviserss. And we just asked one simple
question, whether there was an active turning point chapter on their campus. Club. Some schools confirmed that there was.
student groups that met, organized, and operated as we would expect. But in other cases, the answers were less clear. Some described the clubs had gone
inactive. Others said the group had existed at one point, but no longer did.
And in some cases, administrators told us they had no affiliation with Turning Point USA at all school. Like, would you be able to let us know if it's been if
it was ever a club that existed and maybe dissolved?
It has never I No, I do know for a fact it has never been a club on campus.
Gotcha. Um,
they are lying about the numbers. They are lying about the numbers. They are claiming they have well over 3,000 hubs
or chapters on different campuses around the United States where Turning Point USA is active. Uh-uh. This documentary
is saying, well, actually, they called up these schools and there was nothing.
And it gets even deeper than this. It's not just that they're saying, you know, we have all these chapters and they don't actually exist. That's one thing.
And like, you know, you shouldn't lie about it, but people in politics exaggerate and fudge the numbers all the time. We know that. It actually goes deeper because there's a financial
aspect. There's money being paid to these different hubs, but if they don't exist, where's the money going? Here's another segment from the documentary I wanted to show you.
A student organization can come and go.
Records can be incomplete, and a national organization may define its presence differently than the school does. But taken together, the responses begin to raise a broader question.
How consistently is that presence being defined? And how closely do those listings reflect what's actually happening on the ground? Because if a
chapter can be defined loosely, then how much does it take to actually create one? Could a chapter exist without a real presence on campus, without the
school even knowing? Could it exist in name only? And if that's the case, can three people in their 30s start a
chapter at a high school that doesn't exist?
And they did just that. They they started a chapter at a school that doesn't exist. And you can only imagine what happened. Take a look at this as well.
Thank you.
ridiculous quotas. Like you expect in one month for this one rep to start 40 chapters. So, how are these reps supposed to do that? Well, they would
give gift cards to the students if they started a chapter, but nothing would ever come of that chapter. So, it' just be one kid called the president and one
kid called the vice president and then one kid called the secretary and they got gift cards. You could have 50 chapters technically, but three of them
hold events and like 10 people show up and the others they were given gift cards or they signed up and nothing ever happened.
And that end quote there, former Turning Point USA chapter president who has been in this role before. They are lying. Essentially, essentially they are lying.
They started a fake Turning Point USA chapter and Turning Point USA, Erica Kirk's organization said, "Yes, this is
Zoe Sanchez. I'm the president of the Turning Point USA Club America chapter at Wilks County Training School, and I still haven't received my free Turning
Point merch. Can you send it or what?" asking why. Why? Why have they not sent the merchandise here? But they're willing to give them a chapter. So when
Erica Kirk is going around and Turning Point USA is going around and saying, you know, they have this presence in high schools all across the country.
They have over 3,000 chapters and they're just so successful in their mission.
Look at this. And you just heard that former Turning Point USA chapter president saying they give out gift cards to people to start chapters and then nothing ever comes of it. But as I
mentioned, like look, there is a financial question here. This is from their own tax filings. Turning point USA $20 million.
$20 million on different chapters around the country. In the yellow it says Turning Point USA field representatives operate over 3,300 college and high
school campuses across the country. The field program organized and chartered 1,800 campus charters to facilitate these onampus educational efforts and
was also active on thousands more high schools and college campuses in all 50 states. They're claiming these numbers in their official filings. So, are they lying about that? Are they knowingly
lying about that? And where is this money going? If it is the case that they have a bunch of these fake chapters on high school campuses across the country
and they were established by random people who just wanted to say they established one and then nothing came of it. Where's the money going? Where is it
going? So, Republicans always love to talk about the waste, fraud, and abuse.
They love to say it's the Democrats doing it. Erica Kirk has some questions to answer. Shout out to the UNF America tour who is behind this documentary,
Ziko and Sanchez for putting this together because this is damning. We need answers. We need answers, I think.
And if they're saying this in their IRS filings, $20 million including the grant, the grant money right there, I think we deserve to know. So, look, I
will leave the video there. Thank you so much for watching. Once again, fantastic part of the documentary. I thought it was really, really well done. Please make sure to subscribe down below. Drop
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Re: Charlie Kirk Murder and TPUSA Insider Gossip

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Megyn Kelly And Candace Owens NO LONGER TRUST Erika Kirk And TPUSA
Zach Costello
May 24, 2026

In this clip from the Zach Costello Show, Zach reacts to interviews featuring Candace Owens, Megyn Kelly and Erika Kirk with regards to Charlie's "New Book" as well as recordings of Charlie Kirk suggesting Erika should be the new CEO.

Zach examines multiple interviews, starting off with Candace's where she doubts that Charlie pushed for Erika to be CEO, afterwards there is an interview featuring Megyn Kelly and Charlie Kirk which provide significant proof that Charlie had not yet finished writing the book before his passing which is in direct contrast to what Erika Kirk is claiming. What do you think about all of this…



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because that would mean she was void of any and all human emotion cap capable of I am being clear. I am not being dramatic if this turns out to be real. I
would assert that she is capable of real harm. She is dangerous and I would extend that to every person around her
who approved. So, what Candace Owens laid out um in what was just an explosive moment
on her show was that Turning Point USA works with an AI audio company for voiceovers at certain Turning Point USA
events. And she has now gotten confirmation from multiple donors. She names one of them being John John
Mappen. That the claim that Charlie Kirk said at an Aspen donor meeting that if anything ever happened to him, Erica
should be CEO and that she would do a great job. These donors, she has multiple donors that say this never happened. And what resulted from this
was why would this matter? What who cares if it's fake? So what? Why do you care?
And here is Candace explaining why this matters.
The board elected Erica Kirk to be the CEO and none of the donors have come forward questioning the decision. Why does it matter? The donors that
contacted you are more than capable of contacting Blake. She continued, "Okay, so I can answer that. I can answer why
it matters. It matters because if it was in fact an AI audio and Erica was
referring to an AI video clip which they in the end decided not to use. This would tell us exactly who and what Erica
Kirk is. Okay. It would put to rest any lingering questions that some people may have in the background if we are able to determine that she colluded to create a
fake AI voice of her husband announcing her to take over his company. If she was
even emotionally capable of this a mere weeks after he was horrifically and publicly murdered. if she was capable of
then sitting across from Megan Kelly and spinning a tale about her having seen this video and what it represented to her emotionally, uh, a video which was
never recorded because it never occurred to justify her taking over the company that he built. And Erica was then able
to shamelessly walk out to the sound of a voice of her husband, which she knew
was doctorred by AI, right? H passing the torch to her. The company is mine at Amfest. While she wore glittering pants,
a glittering p plant pants suit and had fireworks going on behind her. She knew this was all AI and they planned this moment to make people feel emotional.
Then we would have our answer. Erica would be a confirmed ruthless psychopath. Okay? You know that
psychopath brandishing a weapon uh that Blake's concerned about? That would be Erica. Erica would be the kind of person that if you see on a subway, you should move. if you're capable of that because
that would mean she was void of any and all human emotion cap capable of I am being clear I am not being dramatic if this turns out to be real. I would assert that she is capable of real harm.
She is dangerous and I would extend that to every person around her who approved that monstrous plan. So that would be
Blake Nev, Andrew Kovette. we would be looking at a a psychological profile of people that I would suggest are very much capable of coldblooded murder.
Okay, in my opinion that this is my opinion. I am asserting that if you have the ability to do that. That's not just like oh husband died and wanted to sign
some papers and steal a will. It's like how can we sell this to the public? We can create this AI video. You need to go out and sell this to Megan Kelly. Say say you saw the video that it you know
you were pulled by it and then you're going to go out and we're going to have Charlie say it but we can't show the video cuz the AI tech is not at the right place yet. So it's a little glitchy so we can't show the video but
like as long as people hear his voice they're going to be moved to tears and then we're going to bring out Nicki Minaj and this is going to be your moment baby. So make sure you have all that glitter and sparkles. If she was
able to do that truly take a second here just just consider that in your mind. If we find that out, confirm this is AI.
What does that signify about Erica?
So Candace is correct. If Erica knows that this is an AI generated video and intentionally manipulated it in order to
increase her status and credibility as the CEO of Turning Point USA,
then that points to something sinister and dark. And it was never even needed.
Like if she had just came out and said like, "Hey, I want to continue Charlie's legacy. This organization meant a lot to him. Like I know that in the past I've
talked about, you know, the importance of staying home. You know, obviously I didn't expect for my husband to die, but I have the support. I have the means.
Um, you know, I'm not going to I'm not going to engage in Charlie's crazy travel schedule because I do have a responsibility for the kids, but I do
feel like I care the most and I'm the one that wants to step in here and and make sure this continues on for my
husband. It's like, "All right, all right." You didn't have to You
didn't have to create some AI video of Charlie having the words come out of his mouth that Erica must do it. Erica will
be the CEO. It's like, you don't have to do that. You don't even have to do it.
It's like the fact that you did it makes it even more suspicious. Okay, but ah, there's more to this.
There's more to this. I want to introduce another argument on top of all of this because what I am starting to
find with this book that Charlie wrote that was used to launch this was the
launchpad of the Erica Kirk as CEO tour around the country the whole book tour
the Erica Kirk tour just two months two months after Charlie was killed. I am finding this this book to be
problematic. I think this book is a problem and it has to do with Erica not
being truthful about the book which I believe were first observed
by Megan Kelly. This dishonesty was first observed by Megan Kelly in her
live interview with Erica in this moment. I want you guys to watch this exchange you about the book that you're holding in your hands.
Yes, Charlie's book. I took the dust cover off because I carry his book everywhere. Stop in the name of God. It's coming out soon. Charlie's coming out with a book.
Yeah, he's coming out with a book. Stop. Stop in the name of God, which is a great title. Stop in the name of God. And what is it about? Took him a year and a half to write it.
7 minutesAnd this book, I mean, when I'm reading it, I'm like, I did not even know you knew that. Um, it is so powerful.
overarching theme of it is the power of honoring the Sabbath and the important of rest
and reading this and I even brought one of his journals with me to read out of it because the thing that's so interesting about
reading this book and reading this journal and I know a lot of you that are Christians will understand this they tell you that when you read the Bible it's the living word of God and it is
and you see the Lord in technicolor when you read the Bible and you actually
understand those words. And so for me, reading Charlie's journals and reading
this book, it's like he's I mean, he's still he's present with the Lord, but it's feels
like he's still fully here. Um, and that's what's so powerful about this book. And
just real quick before Megan, because what's really interesting about this is the way that Megan starts questioning her in a minute. And I think what Megan's gathering here is kind of
probably what we're we're all gathering here. This reminds me, guys, look, I was
not the model student, okay? When I was in high school, I was I was set on playing baseball in
college. I was good to go, right? So, I did the minimum, if I'm going to be honest with you, minimum effective dose
to get the grades I needed to get so that I could play whatever. I wasn't, you know, I I didn't get bad grades, but I did the minimum.
This reminds me of my teacher asking me to answer questions about the book that we were supposed to read for homework, which I just clearly didn't read. And I
was trying to come up with some smart philosophical answer and just pull some BS out of my butt
9 minutesto answer the question and just to get away with not doing my homework. Okay, that's what this answer reminds me of
here. And I think Megan Kelly starts to sniff it out. And the reason that I say
this is because of this line of question that she's about to get into. Watch. I watched him as a wife completely transform
into an already I mean he was already amazing and incredible but it totally elevated him when he was honoring the
Sabbath and when he really took that seriously that time to rest seriously and I just can't help but
think like everything and to go to your point of signs I don't think anything is by coincidence
but to have this be his last book and to him totally master what it means to rest
with the Lord. It's all for full circle now because it's the ultimate Sabbath where he is right now in heaven. When did you get to read it? When? Yeah.
As much as I can driving into the office or No, but I mean was it written entire in its entirety before Charlie died? Yes, it was.
Yes, it was. He finished writing this I believe in July June or July of of this year. So, you had read it. Mhm.
But to read it in a book format and not an email format that he would send me is something night and day difference. Yeah.
I think Megan is smelling some BS right there. So So you read it? Oh, it was
finished. He he completed it, right? You read it, right?
I believe it's this moment right here that caused Megan Kelly to grow suspicious or perhaps lose trust in
Erica Kirk. I think it's why Megan has been very measured in her responses involving Erica and Candace Owens.
Did you notice the way that Megan Kelly was asking her those questions? When was the book complete? You read the whole thing.
It's almost like she's asking because she knows something and is testing Erica Kirk. And you guys, she is because she does know something.
I want you guys to remember what Charlie Kirk specifically told Megan Kelly about this book on August 6th, 2025.
remember those dates per say I don't want to judge an entire group because there's been many people in the periseral world that have been
very sweet kind very nuanced very Charlie you know you're with us you don't have to agree all the time however
and I and I will say this the behavior by a lot both privately and publicly are pushing people like you and me away not
like we're going to be pro Hamas not like we're gonna but we're like honestly the way you are treating me is so repulsive I have text messages, Megan,
calling me an anti-semite. I am learning biblical Hebrew and writing a book on the Shabbat. I honor the Shabbat, literally the Jewish Sabbath.
I am learning biblical Hebrew and writing a book on the Shabbat. And this interview took place on August 6th, 2025.
Does this mean that the book was completed in ju July or June like Erica
answered with maybe a question mark at the end of that answer?
I am learning biblical Hebrew and writing a book on the Sabbath.
That to me does not sound like a book that is completed. Does it does it to you? Does it to you?
that sounds like it's still being worked on and is not yet complete.
Charlie tells Megan this. So, the moment that Erica said it was completed in June or July, I think triggered something in
Megan's head that was like, hm, maybe we should be looking into this a little further.
Maybe we should be looking into what you've got going on here.
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